apologies if this has been posted before. i dig his interpretation of the section at 3:36...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9RURj_xi74&feature=fvwrel
Very impressive. :clap:
That was fantastic, there were a couple of remarkable ideas that just blew my mind. :hefdaddy
And he uploaded this almost a year ago - so what's where all the rumors about him auditioning came from. I had no idea they were even allowed to upload those videos before everything was revealed.
nailed it
Quote from: Mladen on October 21, 2011, 08:55:02 AM
That was fantastic, there were a couple of remarkable ideas that just blew my mind. :hefdaddy
And he uploaded this almost a year ago - so what's where all the rumors about him auditioning came from. I had no idea they were even allowed to upload those videos before everything was revealed.
I'm going to guess that even if it was uploaded that long ago, it was designated private before the TSCO documentary was released. Note that there are no comments before 5 months ago.
Oh, OK. Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't notice it.
I think this guy can play drums!
Wow, that actually rocked. He's much better than the documentary made him look.
Quote from: Juular on October 21, 2011, 10:16:49 AM
Wow, that actually rocked. He's much better than the documentary made him look.
Yeah, I think it was unfortunate that the clips for him, Derek, and Virgil were shorter and emphasized some of their relatively minor difficulties rather than their strengths. I mean, it makes sense from the standpoint of both the length of the documentary and what it was meant to do, but given that the clips were only a small fraction of the entire audition process, even a couple of seconds of mistakes can make it feel like the guys performed a lot worse than they did in the context of the entire audition. I would LOVE to someday see more extended footage.
i completely stumbled upon that video and i've been searching for others either from AP or the other auditionees (besides what wildoer has posted). so far, nada...
Devil's Advocate:
Just because he was fantastic here doesn't mean he performed similarly in the actual audition. I think anyone who's played an instrument has had a time when they did better in practice than during the performance they'd been practicing for.
Quote from: Juular on October 21, 2011, 10:16:49 AM
Wow, that actually rocked. He's much better than the documentary made him look.
And the documentary already made him look much better than people were expecting! :lol
Really cool guy. :smiley:
He is a really good drummer. But he was too nervous in the auditions.
Wavy cymbals!
That video only had made my opinions stronger about this Guy. He's an awesome drummer! Couple of ideas, like that with hihat rhythm in the middle, was awesome, He was very nervous during auditions, but I think that He fully deserver a place behind DT kit. :tup
I thought he was quite impressive in the auditions! He messed up one of the songs, but I thought he was the best at the jam part at the beginning, it seemed so natural to him
Don't get me wrong, Priestyer did a great job but Mangini still makes it look a lot easier. I know some fans don't agree with it, but personally I like that MM is adding stuff on top of MP's work live, like it wasn't tough enough the way it was.
Quote from: slycordinator on October 21, 2011, 10:30:30 AM
Devil's Advocate:
Just because he was fantastic here doesn't mean he performed similarly in the actual audition. I think anyone who's played an instrument has had a time when they did better in practice than during the performance they'd been practicing for.
Not only that, but once the familiar backing track is gone, the story looks very different. I have met several musicians over the years who could play perfectly well alongside DT tracks, but when playing them in a band would get tripped up. Not necessarily saying it's the case with Aquiles, more in general.
I'm not a big fan of his drumming though, despite his clear skill. He sounds very hard-hitting and overall he's too close to pure metal drumming sound-wise. I'm more the Gavin Harrison guy.
rumborak
His work with Angra is fantastic. Check out the live in Brazil DVD from them, a really good watch.
Interesting, I was watching this one yesterday. It came related after I watched some MM and MP stuff. So, I guess it got connected recently as we both saw it at the same time.
Yeah, "this guy can play drums" for sure :)
And I also wish they would release an extended version of the documentary. It would be such a shame to not see more of it. Of course the doc fulfilled it's role perfectly, but it would be nice to see more from Mike and the rest.
I want every 7 drummers to do drum cam videos of all 3 songs so then we can choose who really is the best drummer of them.
I think Peter and Aquiles are the only ones who have done at least one song or have I missed something?
Quote from: YtseJamittaja on October 25, 2011, 12:25:08 AM
I want every 7 drummers to do drum cam videos of all 3 songs so then we can choose who really is the best drummer of them.
I think Peter and Aquiles are the only ones who have done at least one song or have I missed something?
It's NOT our choice. EOS. Our choice is to listen to them...or not.
Wow. Overreact much? What's wrong with him saying the same thing that's been on most of our minds for months (that we'd love to see more of the audition footage)? ???
Quote from: bosk1 on October 25, 2011, 05:32:20 PM
Wow. Overreact much? What's wrong with him saying the same thing that's been on most of our minds for months (that we'd love to see more of the audition footage)? ???
Not "overreacting" at all. I'd love to see all the footage as well. He's acting like it's the fans right to choose who the drummer should be. Come on. This isn't Dancing with the Stars.
Frankly, unless DT decides to issue the audition videos, I very much doubt we're gonna see any more videos. The two (or was it three?) drummers who released their own practice videos are drummers who have, PR-wise, something to gain from releasing the videos. The other drummers, i.e. Lang, Minnemann, Donati are very established names already, and they have nothing to gain to associate with a gig they didn't get.
rumborak
Not that it matters now but on the topic of the auditions......I've heard that Marco Minnemann was asked to join DT but turned it down due to the side project issue i.e. MM was infact second choice.
That is why the rumours initially came out that it was him.
I first read this on the Derek Roddy forum from Derek & also found a post from an artist (can't remember where as I was googling) who said that Marco was deciding whether to join or not. But i've recently had this confirmed from Marco himself via a friend who met him at a Steven Wilson gig.
But the way I see it, MM is the perfect fit now so it doesn't matter....but its interesting and makes you look at the auditions in a slightly different light !
Its actually not that much of a suprise if you look at DT's reactions in the footage. remember JLB going up to JP and saying that was the best one by a mile.(at the end of Episode 1 as a trailer to Episode 2).
Lets face it he is rather special !
sounds like a ton of hearsay to me without any substantial proof. derek himself came across like a complete ass on his forum when the doc hit, so i'm personally not inclined to believe anything he says. so unless rich wilson pulls this out of the band for another "lifting shadows" update, i don't buy it...
Quote from: phentalmyst on October 26, 2011, 06:13:00 AM
derek himself came across like a complete ass on his forum when the doc hit
Agreed !
Yeah the Derek stuff & the other bit I googled is hearsay. But the last bit about what Marco said is true, maybe he got it wrong but he did say that.
Anyway it doesn't matter because MM fits perfectly and thats the most important thing.
to add to it, there's stuff on google that says "minneman is still considering DT gig" that is dated in dec. JR posted the other day it was MM's 1 year anniversary of joining, therefore those marco rumors don't add up. roddy came out and said a lot of things that were dismissed by the other guys about the auditions (IE: wildoer) and i think marco himself blasted the doc, therefore i don't believe this rumor even if marco chimed in and said he turned it down for "side projects." how does THAT make any sense? everyone in DT has side projects.
and yes, mangini fits perfectly, but you brought up the point of marco as if to say it was fact, but there's no evidence that it is fact, and moreso, there's a lot of evidence to say it, in fact, is not...fact.
(that last line was fun to write!)
Marco believes that he was offered the DT gig and he turned it down due to the documnet that they wanted him to sign. I do not know the exact text in that doc but from what he was saying it put too big of a restriction on him hence he turned DT down.
I'm just saying what Marco has said recently. Whether it is true is up for debate. I believe that it is true but that is just my opinion and not fact.
When we express our opinions they often come out like they are a fact but that was not my intention so I will take the tone of my first post back.....if that makes sense.
i just think if he's not saying something official about it to the public and instead saying it as a sidenote, it doesn't come across as legit...
Quote from: Bill Carson on October 26, 2011, 07:46:10 AM
Marco believes that he was offered the DT gig and he turned it down due to the documnet that they wanted him to sign. I do not know the exact text in that doc but from what he was saying it put too big of a restriction on him hence he turned DT down.
I'm just saying what Marco has said recently. Whether it is true is up for debate. I believe that it is true but that is just my opinion and not fact.
When we express our opinions they often come out like they are a fact but that was not my intention so I will take the tone of my first post back.....if that makes sense.
Not to beat a dead horse... but is there a source for Marco saying this? Not busting your balls, just curios.
Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on October 26, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
Not to beat a dead horse... but is there a source for Marco saying this? Not busting your balls, just curios.
up above the post you quoted, he says a friend of his heard it from marco directly...
:facepalm: missed that.... OK, so no real source..
If someone wouldn't mind... what was it that Derek said? How did he come off like an ass?
When he was turned down, he was like " uh, well, i make more money with my snakes than i would in DT - plus I didn't REALLY want the job anyway..."
:yeahright Sounds like a spoiled kid. If you didn't want the job - DON"T AUDITION. :facepalm:
Quote from: phentalmyst on October 26, 2011, 09:49:15 AM
Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on October 26, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
Not to beat a dead horse... but is there a source for Marco saying this? Not busting your balls, just curios.
up above the post you quoted, he says a friend of his heard it from marco directly...
"I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who..."
Quote from: bosk1 on October 26, 2011, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: phentalmyst on October 26, 2011, 09:49:15 AM
Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on October 26, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
Not to beat a dead horse... but is there a source for Marco saying this? Not busting your balls, just curios.
up above the post you quoted, he says a friend of his heard it from marco directly...
"I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who..."
isn't that REO Speedwagon ? nice song :lol
Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on October 26, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
Not to beat a dead horse... but is there a source for Marco saying this? Not busting your balls, just curios.
Just curios?
Okay! (https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHKZ_enUS436US436&gcx=c&q=curios&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1152&bih=773)
Also, the whole Marco thing is very suspicious, considering they didn't even bother showing or presenting any post-audition interaction with him like they did with Mike and Peter, especially with how excited they were with his audition and skills.
-Marc.
Quote from: The Letter M on October 26, 2011, 01:56:06 PM
Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on October 26, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
Not to beat a dead horse... but is there a source for Marco saying this? Not busting your balls, just curios.
Just curios?
Yeah... I love nick nacks!!! Or is it Knick Knacks?? You tell me...you're the english teacher.. ;)
Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on October 26, 2011, 02:43:43 PM
Quote from: The Letter M on October 26, 2011, 01:56:06 PM
Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on October 26, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
Not to beat a dead horse... but is there a source for Marco saying this? Not busting your balls, just curios.
Just curios?
Yeah... I love nick nacks!!! Or is it Knick Knacks?? You tell me...you're the english teacher.. ;)
English? Psh, nah... I prefer the language of music...
So... knick-knack paddy-whack give a dog a bone.
-Marc.
:tup :lol
Whether the Marco thing is true or not we will never know. Friends of friends are remarkable people, they know secrets, do incredible things ... and are never available when you want to talk to them.
rumborak
The idea that he turned down the gig before even auditioning seems incorrect for two reasons:
1) If he went into the studio after having said to them "Don't bother offering me the gig. It's a 'fuck no' due to this contract" I highly doubt he would play with such enthusiasm.
2) If he had gone in before the audition and said no due to a contract being given for him to sign... I doubt he'd be in the documentary at all. That is, unless it's thought that he's an idiot who will sign a contract while having "bad feelings" about said contract.
Granted, anything is possible...
No it would be after the auditions that he was offered the position.
Also it wasn't a friend of a friend...it was just one friend that I know very well. Was just relaying back what he had told me after meeting Marco at a Steven Wilson gig.
I didn't ask my mate for a recording of the conversation or even an oil painting of Marco but that's what he told me.
Entirely up to your good selves what you would like to believe and like I said before, it doesn't matter now because DT have the best replacement in Mike Mangini !!
Don't get me wrong, he was my #1 too. (and still is, actually. It would have sucked for the existing catalog's rendering, but very exciting for new material)
rumborak
And sorry, I was going not 100% off what was said here but had seen a couple places where people said that Marco turned everything down before the auditions started.
But I remember Peter saying somewhere (his forum or the drummer's one) that they all were called on the same day, Nov 4 if I remember correct. I don't know how that corresponds with Jordan's message about Mike's 1 year in the band thing though, maybe he is counting from the day of his audition?
As for Derek, his words left me with very bad taste. All I thought was sour grapes for him. I might be wrong, but... Especially the part when somebody asked him why he went when he didn't want the gig and he replied when you are asked you go as people would say "don't ask him, he won't even bother coming". Yeah, really? Oh well... I personally have no respect for him after that as it was totally disrespectful towards the band. Oh, and when he said he was sure they wouldn't show the moments when they (the drummers) were throwing some tough stuff on the band during the jams and the band was not able to respond to that :facepalm: Don't wanna sound bad, but he was completely lost during the odd time riffs.
Anyways, I don't know if Marco was offered first, but Mike was my first choice and I can't be happier now having with him in the band!
Quote from: InfraredDream on November 01, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
But I remember Peter saying somewhere (his forum or the drummer's one) that they all were called on the same day, Nov 4 if I remember correct.
Yes, as far as he knew, they were. Again, squaring that with all the other facts, I'm going to assume the most likely scenario is that they offered it to Mangini on 10/24. He accepted and inked the deal in the next couple of days, and once he did, they called the other candidates on or around 11/4 to let them know they weren't chosen.
I was considering that, but from Oct 18 + 3 days auditions is Oct 21 to Oct 24 is 3 days only. And Mike is saying in the documentary "it was taking so long..." till they annonced the results, etc. Doesn't sounds like 3 days to me. Thus the only way I see it was Jordan annonced the day they decided he is the one, but they needed to wait for something ("some other drummer go to his country.."). Just speculations obviously, of course.
He auditioned on the first day, so it would have been six days.
Of course, but again, he knew they were auditioning for 3 days.
Anyways, my personal feeling watching his reaction is that it was more than 5 days since his own audition.
But that is not so important really. As I said he was my choice and I am very happy he is in the band.
But the speculation about Marco hit me a bit and I am curious.
From this DT in Orlando video that I just saw, the way JP is talking about Oct 24 being the day they brought Mike to the band, it sounds like bosk is right. It sounds really official :) Poor Mike if 3 days was "so long" for him :)
Sorry for the slight off-topic.
Okay, I've just got back from London, went to the Steven Wilson gig - which was amazing - anyway I met Marco but initially didn't get a chance to ask, he was chatting to a couple of women and I didn't wanna get in the way of his moves :)
Did speak to someone else but........well I don't wanna mention his name. Its no big deal, guess I just don't want it getting back to him that I blurted his conversation onto the internet.
Hope you can all understand.
He knows Marco well enough to know what's going on, which is why I asked him, however, before anyone gets shirty................ It doesn't prove anything and still goes into the files of PURE SPECULATION.
The conversation...with Mr Orange.... as I recall went something like this;
Me: "Realise Marco has been asked a million times but i'm dying to know if he was actually offered the DT gig"
Mr Orange "I couldn't possibly answer that" whilst nodding to me.
"You've just seen Marco play, would you offer him the gig ?"
Me: "He's absolutely incredible yeah definitely" (I could hardly say no)
Mr Orange "Look it doesn't matter now, all that matters is that Marco is free to make incredible music with a host of musicians queuing up to work with him"
I then did get a chance to ask Marco but after that response from Mr Orange.......I thought best to leave it.
So due to me not being pushy enough, we are none the wiser, still all speculation.....sorry guys but I did try.
i feel like you're trying to drive home a point that can't be properly validated. until someone here has a first hand conversation with marco then i'm not buying it. period. and even then, i'd want confirmation from the band...which i doubt we'll ever get.
I've been a bit vague about where I've heard certain things (my apologies) because, as i've found out, its not easy to post stuff that you've in effect heard in confidence.
But at the same time I was too excited to not say anything.
In terms of validating this, then you are right and also the thing to note is.....
Marco's perspective on how he saw events may be very different to how DT saw them.
i.e DT may of sounded Marco and Mike both out about working with other bands. And from that their choice was made easier but, they may of gone for Mike regardless.
But its a fun topic which is what this board is about, right ? Otherwise we would only ever discuss what the band thinks.
Quote from: Bill Carson on November 03, 2011, 06:34:03 AM
In terms of validating this, then you are right and also the thing to note is.....
Marco's perspective on how he saw events may be very different to how DT saw them.
i.e DT may of sounded Marco and Mike both out about working with other bands. And from that their choice was made easier but, they may of gone for Mike regardless.
It's more like in terms of validating this, we can't confirm that you aren't making everything up. Marco's perspective has nothing to do with it at this point.
Since i'm uncomfortable to name names I can understand how it is perceived. Point conceeded.