Poll
Question:
Choose
Option 1: Overture 1928
votes: 110
Option 2: I. Overture (SDoIT)
votes: 16
Option 3: The Shattered Fortress
votes: 21
Which one of these tunes is the best at what it intends to do (preview or recap themes and motifs of other songs)? All 3 seem to divide fans as to whether they are good or not, and some completely skip them on their respective albums. However, I think they all succeed in context of the pieces that they are part of.
Which do you find is the best?
TSF
Overture
1928.
Overture 1928.
Overture 1928 is, by itself, easily one of the greatest DT instrumentals. The way it works with Strange deja vu makes it even more incredible.
Gonna go with 1928 both because it does the best job of putting together themes from the other albums and because it's the best song of the three by itself.
The Shattered Fortress > Overture 1928 > Overture
That applies not only to how effective they are at previewing/recapping themes, but also to how much I enjoy them.
1928
Overture
TSF
1928 is easily my favorite DT instrumental so...there goes .
Overture 1928 is literally the song that introduced me to Dream Theater (yes, I heard Regression first, but come on). It literally changed my life. To this day, I still get goosebumps when I hear it; it's just that damn good. It's easily one of my favorite Dream Theater songs.
I. Overture
I still don't get why TSF is up against the two overtures.
1. SDOIT Overture - super underrated, melodic masterpiece. And it sounds like fucking Zelda. You just can't top that.
2. Overture 1928 - A great way to kick of a great album, and with a lot of energy, but it still pales in comparison to SDOIT Overture.
3. The Shattered Fortress - It's not bad, but I'd rather just listen to TGP instead, since TSF feels like a not as good recycling.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 18, 2011, 09:13:29 PM
I still don't get why TSF is up against the two overtures.
1. SDOIT Overture - super underrated, melodic masterpiece. And it sounds like fucking Zelda. You just can't top that.
2. Overture 1928 - A great way to kick of a great album, and with a lot of energy, but it still pales in comparison to SDOIT Overture.
3. The Shattered Fortress - It's not bad, but I'd rather just listen to TGP instead, since TSF feels like a not as good recycling.
You are awesome. :heart
I already regret voting 1928. Shoulda voted Overture. Oh well.
Six Degrees Overture.
the production of the overture to Six Degrees is just horrendous. what the fuck was jordan thinking? the rest of the song is my 2nd favorite DT song.
voted 1928
Overture 1928
The easiest poll ever.
Easy poll: 1928
Quote from: senecadawg2 on October 18, 2011, 05:41:29 PM
Overture 1928 is, by itself, easily one of the greatest DT instrumentals. The way it works with Strange deja vu makes it even more incredible.
Couldn't have said this any better!
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 18, 2011, 09:13:29 PM
I still don't get why TSF is up against the two overtures.
Easy. I've always viewed TSF as an overture that comes at the end rather than the beginning of an opus. It almost serves the same function of reintroducing and/or unifying themes presented in the overall piece.
Quote from: RaiseTheKnife on October 19, 2011, 02:06:27 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 18, 2011, 09:13:29 PM
I still don't get why TSF is up against the two overtures.
Easy. I've always viewed TSF as an overture that comes at the end rather than the beginning of an opus. It almost serves the same function of reintroducing and/or unifying themes presented in the overall piece.
Ok, that makes sense. I hadn't thought about it in that way since it's the end of the saga rather than the intro, and not instrumental, but all 3 songs are based around themes from the collective work from which they come.
1928 for the win.
1928 fersher haha
Easily 1928
Overture with full orchestra is best, but if we're talking studio versions then 1928 wins. Why is TSF on here?
1928
Overture 1928. Probably the best intro to any DT album. It does however cover fewer motifs from SFAM than the other to do for their respective suites, but its flows infinitely better - overture goes on way too long and puts me off listening to SDOIT from start to finish a lot of the time, although the very last three notes are epic; the way it foreshadows the end of Losing Time and then segues into the piano intro of About to Crash is one of the highlights of SDOIT. And TSF just doesn't tie the motifs together very well, it seems forced.
Quote from: Mladen on October 18, 2011, 11:22:01 PM
Overture 1928
The easiest poll ever.
Exactly. I don't get the OP's point about fans being divided over it???? I'm pretty sure it's almost universally appreciated.
Quote from: Dream Team on October 19, 2011, 06:18:15 AM
Quote from: Mladen on October 18, 2011, 11:22:01 PM
Overture 1928
The easiest poll ever.
Exactly. I don't get the OP's point about fans being divided over it???? I'm pretty sure it's almost universally appreciated.
This, there is no fan division.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on October 19, 2011, 08:40:27 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on October 19, 2011, 06:18:15 AM
Quote from: Mladen on October 18, 2011, 11:22:01 PM
Overture 1928
The easiest poll ever.
Exactly. I don't get the OP's point about fans being divided over it???? I'm pretty sure it's almost universally appreciated.
This, there is no fan division.
But there is Joy Division
:neverusethis:
never ever got into the overture of SDOIT - something not as natural when recorded with keyboards.
The Shattered Fortress
The easiest poll ever.
I guess I'm in the minority again :(
1928. Best DT instrumental, recaps the album perfectly in 3:37 and then flows perfectly into Strange Deja Vu. It's perfect.
a no brainer
overture 1928 ===> that intro it's fully in your face . highly powerful intro and amazing song
2nd will be overture ( for me it's an ocarina of time lost track)
Wait, what was wrong with the production of Overture? :huh:
I voted for I. Overture. I love the way it represents the themes, some of them obvious, some of them more subtle (like the TTTSTA theme, I hardly noticed it the first 20 listens or so :P). 1928 still is an excellent song, and SFAM couldn't have opened any other way. I find that TSF does an excellent job of closing the AA suite. I like how instead of having an opening overture to represent all the themes, it has a closer to represent them. I find that it is a very underrated DT song, and it is my favourite in the AA suite. Still, I. Overture above all else.
Well, which one people like the best and which one is the best for what it was intended to do are entirely different things. I can understand why people like 1928 better but Overture does the best job for what was intended. Not only that but it is a brilliant piece of music that for some reason, most people don't seem to appreciate. TSF really isn't in the same category as the other two pieces. It's more of a collective summary of the preceding songs in the TSS.
Overture gets my vote for best, both musically and for what is was intended to do.
Quote from: XXXB0BXXX on October 19, 2011, 12:09:02 PM
Wait, what was wrong with the production of Overture? :huh:
for me anyway, it just didn't sound right. while it was a brilliant piece of music, it just wasn't recorded in the way which could reflect its true greatness.
1928
generally, i fall for anything with heavy drums and distorted guitars in lydian mode (the beginning) :heart
Quote from: XXXB0BXXX on October 19, 2011, 12:09:02 PM
Wait, what was wrong with the production of Overture? :huh:
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Hm. What if The Shattered Fortress *was* the first part of the Twelve Step Suite? Followed seamlessly (more or less) by The Glass Prison, etc., and ending with Repentance. Forget lyric continuity obviously, but I'd going to try to make a playlist like this soon.
Well, probably not. Still, I would be curious to hear TSF segueing into TGP, if nothing else.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on October 19, 2011, 08:40:27 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on October 19, 2011, 06:18:15 AM
Quote from: Mladen on October 18, 2011, 11:22:01 PM
Overture 1928
The easiest poll ever.
Exactly. I don't get the OP's point about fans being divided over it???? I'm pretty sure it's almost universally appreciated.
This, there is no fan division.
I wasn't talking about 1928 specifically, but all 3. I Overture and TSF definitely divide fans up, maybe not 1928, but Ive seen a few people not like it much.
I guess I am in the majority
Quote from: FlyingBIZKIT on October 18, 2011, 05:34:45 PM
Overture
I voted 1928, but Overture is absolutly amazing as an opener to Six degrees and really should be in a catagory by itself.
It is the one song that I hear that creates so much anticipatipation for the follow up About to Crash that I get so pissed when I am listening to it on the ipod knowing I don't get the rest of the song. I know there is a way to fix that to link them anyone have the easy answer?
Getting away from itunes is the easiest answer.
I'd say the easiest answer is to use the iTunes 'rip as one track' feature on Overture and About to Crash.
Quote from: Jaffa on October 20, 2011, 11:29:26 AM
I'd say the easiest answer is to use the iTunes 'rip as one track' feature on Overture and About to Crash.
O.O I need to do this to all of SDOIT now.
Easiest answer... Don't use the shuffle feature and listen to the dang disc
Something about Overture, I just love so much. :heart
Quote from: darkshade on October 20, 2011, 12:13:48 PM
Easiest answer... Don't use the shuffle feature and listen to the dang disc
I don't think it has anything to do with shuffle. itunes doesn't recognize tracks in a sequential order on double albums.
Ex. Disc 1 track 1 > Disc 2 track 1
Disc 1 track 2 > Disc 2 track 2 and so on....
Quote from: Dublagent66 on October 20, 2011, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: darkshade on October 20, 2011, 12:13:48 PM
Easiest answer... Don't use the shuffle feature and listen to the dang disc
I don't think it has anything to do with shuffle. itunes doesn't recognize tracks in a sequential order on double albums.
Ex. Disc 1 track 1 > Disc 2 track 1
Disc 1 track 2 > Disc 2 track 2 and so on....
It will recognize double albums if you mark the songs to disc 1 or disc 2. Actually, you could have any number of discs.
Quote from: GasparXR on October 20, 2011, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: Dublagent66 on October 20, 2011, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: darkshade on October 20, 2011, 12:13:48 PM
Easiest answer... Don't use the shuffle feature and listen to the dang disc
I don't think it has anything to do with shuffle. itunes doesn't recognize tracks in a sequential order on double albums.
Ex. Disc 1 track 1 > Disc 2 track 1
Disc 1 track 2 > Disc 2 track 2 and so on....
It will recognize double albums if you mark the songs to disc 1 or disc 2. Actually, you could have any number of discs.
I thought it was on his iPod
but either way, when I rip a CD to iTunes, I specify the different discs; either in the name(s) of the actual album, or in the info where you can specify the track number, and the disc number (1 out of 2 for example), which will keep everything in order.
^ You can do it on an iPod through iTunes. That's what I meant.