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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Chino on October 16, 2011, 06:44:26 PM
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Starts in 15 minutes! :corn :corn
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My jaw hit the floor at the end.
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I just discovered this show today. I was able to watch most of the 1st season, and then the season 2 premiere. It was awesome
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Love the show, although there are many differences from the comic. That aside; I still love it.
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The ending was definitely a shocker! It was a great epiosde, though it really grossed me out when they were disembowelling one of the walkers.
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Great start to the second season. I am tossing and turning in anticipation for next week's episode.
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Awesome episode. It had a similar tone to the pilot, which hasn't really been replicated in any other episodes.
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I'll have to wait until next week to watch it since I shall be going away for the week but I'm really looking forward to seeing it.
Also, fix the annoying typo in the topic title ;).
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The first act was excellent. The middle was slow, and the very end was predictable. But all in all, a very enjoyable experience. I also rewatched season one prior to the start to re-familiarize myself with the characters again as well as reestablish emotional ties and connections to them.
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Anyone know if Netflix will stream the new episodes the day after they air, or will I have to wait until the season is over?
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They will not air season 2 until a day before season 3 debuts.
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They will not air season 2 until a day before season 3 debuts.
Well that's a whole lot of horse shit right there.
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You could, ya know, watch it NOW while its on :lol
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We have one of those converter boxes that picks up mainly spanish channels, although I will be changing my internet into possibly a bundle to save money, but I'm sure CenturyLink doesn't bundle just TV and internet. I don't need a fucking phone when I have my cell.
So, I actually can't watch it now. Would be cool if AMC did what ABC did with LOST and stream them on their website. The buffering was a bitch, but at least I got to watch the episodes.
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Do you not socialize? You've gotta have a friend or two who you could get together with on Sunday nights.
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Not really. I'm not sure if my brother gets AMC either. My aunt might, but then, we don't get to pick our schedules at work anymore. FML.
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Really excited about this.
Going to see the episode tonight, will be back with thoughts.
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It was a pretty fantastic episode. Budget-wise, they obviously spent quite a bit on production. Middle bored the whole group (About 8 of us watching in one living room :lol) but the beginning and end was fantastic. I really hope the series picks up as it progresses. Over twice as many episodes as last year's season, so we've got a lot of material to view. Overall, I'm really excited, and it was a very enjoyable premier. :tup
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One thing that kinda irked me was all the emphasis on that church. We had to sit through two pretty lengthy prayers. Both of which seems stupid and pointless. I mean, for reals, look around. 99% of humans are either dead or eating the living.... Do they really think God still cares?
I'm really curious to see what happens with that guy's (one with the crossbow) brother. Remember he he escaped from the handcuffs on the roof during the first season?
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One thing that kinda irked me was all the emphasis on that church. We had to sit through two pretty lengthy prayers. Both of which seems stupid and pointless. I mean, for reals, look around. 99% of humans are either dead or eating the living.... Do they really think God still cares?
I'm really curious to see what happens with that guy's (one with the crossbow) brother. Remember he he escaped from the handcuffs on the roof during the first season?
Loved the opener as well. Again, I just really dig the underlying symbolism and message behind it all. Obviously they are going to have to keep 'faith' as a theme due to the horrific nature of it all...how could God let this happen and so forth, but for Rick to ask for a sign and then be 'given' this Majestic, Strong Buck that for some reason doesn't take off running and allows his son to approach...almost touch...then BAM!
To me there are a few ways to interpret that. I'm leaning towards "yes man is a beauty and wonder, a miracle in itself but had become to arrogant and proud (Buck allowing kid to approach) and in order to protect him from himself 'I' (God) had to destroy him and a casualty of that innocence (the boy) would be affected?
Maybe reading way too much into that and be completely off base with that interpretation, but the mood of that scene told me that there was more to it than two guys and a kid seeing a Beautiful, strong Buck.
And concerning the 'lost' one handed man....I would think that sooner or later he will surface. Probably in a position of power or holding something the group desperately needs.
The season clips look to contain a great deal of interesting story....I doubt this series will disappoint.
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The implication is that Carl's injury will eventually lead to the group's salvation for the time being. As you saw in next week's preview, they find help. The hunter's father is a doctor, and that leads them forward in the story.
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Meh. Same problems as before. Don't think I'll watch the rest of the season.
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Meh. Same problems as before. Don't think I'll watch the rest of the season.
Did you ever elaborate on these "problems"? I can't remember.
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Meh. Same problems as before. Don't think I'll watch the rest of the season.
Did you ever elaborate on these "problems"? I can't remember.
Some pretty bad characters. Some pretty bad dialogue/moments between characters. Characters being dumb in order to service the plot. Generally just handling the characters in a tone-deaf manner.
This episode was a step up in some respects (the highway set-piece was pretty good, although it was pretty convenient for no one to see massive horde coming at them until they were 30 m away), but was pretty tepid for the most part, and could've used some editing. Don't see why it was a 90-minute episode (other than to increase the number of ads). Also, tonight struck upon a pet peeve of mine: when shows (typically shitty procedurals) put a kid in peril in an attempt to up the emotional stakes. Tonight's episode did it twice.
Other things that annoyed me: Rick's opening recap was lame, contrived, while still directly avoiding a plot twist despite having no reason to do so. Also, bad accent is still bad. And the whole "prayer undercut by ironic twist" trope got done twice-over, just like ye olde "kid in peril" trope.
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I guess I'm just easily impressed because I find the writing to be more than adequate and the characters 'feel' real to me. They are developing nicely IMO and I think the production is still top notch despite having a chunk of change taken away to support the MAD MEN creators money grab.
I guess my level of expectation is lower than yours GuineaPig. I'm fairly certain I will watch this series until it no longer exists.
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Damn, I completely forgot the new season was starting this week. Hopefully a re-run is on soon so I can catch it.
@GuineaPig: I notice there are issues in the shows overall production and acting, but not enough to turn me off of the show. You sound more nitpicky than I do with most movies. Not to be rude or anything.
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I can imagine a bottle episode of this being the worst thing ever.
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Just saw the episode, was pretty good.
I expected it to be 90 minutes long from what I had read, but I assume that was with commercials and breaks etc counted for? Seeing as mine was 64-65 minutes or something, with those breaks cut out.
I really enjoyed most of the highway-scene, it managed to creep me out a bit, because it's not really the safest place to hide under a car, so a lot of suspense there.
The middle-part did get a bit slow, not that surprising because I think it was a bit the same in S1, and it can't just be all action, seeing as something has to drive the plot forward.
Despite really enjoying the first episode of S2, I do feel annoyed with a few minor things.
For starters, the characters.
People in movies/TV shows doing stupid things for no reason has always been very "American" to me, especially in the horror-genre.
Take the black guy who cut open half of his arm, for what reason? He was running around like a fool instead of just rolling under a car. Good job there!
Then we have the kids... as always, the kids are the most stupid characters of all.
Mostly in this case, it was the girl, because the end was a bit of a WTF, I kinda did expect something to happen, but for the characters themselves, it wasn't really something they could see coming.
Anyhow, instead of just waiting a few minutes for Rick to get back, the girl just has to run off deep into the woods, when she could just as easily had run back to the highway.
For starters, why did she act so stupidly in the beginning? "Oh hey, the walkers are probably gone now, lets roll out!" which caused the walkers to spot her in the first place. :facepalm:
I also don't really care for the Christian-aspect of the show. I know a lot of people in America are Christian and believes in God etc, but when I don't myself, that part just becomes rather uninteresting I guess.
Several minutes were spent on prayers that didn't really add much, which was a bit of a shame.
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Meh. Same problems as before. Don't think I'll watch the rest of the season.
Did you ever elaborate on these "problems"? I can't remember.
Some pretty bad characters. Some pretty bad dialogue/moments between characters. Characters being dumb in order to service the plot. Generally just handling the characters in a tone-deaf manner.
This episode was a step up in some respects (the highway set-piece was pretty good, although it was pretty convenient for no one to see massive horde coming at them until they were 30 m away), but was pretty tepid for the most part, and could've used some editing. Don't see why it was a 90-minute episode (other than to increase the number of ads). Also, tonight struck upon a pet peeve of mine: when shows (typically shitty procedurals) put a kid in peril in an attempt to up the emotional stakes. Tonight's episode did it twice.
Other things that annoyed me: Rick's opening recap was lame, contrived, while still directly avoiding a plot twist despite having no reason to do so. Also, bad accent is still bad. And the whole "prayer undercut by ironic twist" trope got done twice-over, just like ye olde "kid in peril" trope.
Aside from the kids who are rarely good actors to begin with (I hate kid actors), the acting is pretty damn good. I don't have a problem with any of the adult character's acting. I thought the black guy cutting himself was going to attract all the zombies, but it never really happened. Oh Well. There's nothing wrong with Rick's accent, but I didn't like his opening recap either. It didn't sound like the other times he talked on the walkie. If I didn't watch the behind the scenes stuff, I never would have known he was British or whatever. Kids will always be dumb. The prayer shit didn't interest me, but there will never not be some kind of god element on TV shows, so I'm used to it. I didn't see that ending coming. Things I was expecting from the deer: Half eaten zombie deer (hey it could happen) or zombies coming out of nowhere to attack the deer. KIDS ARE STUPID. I didn't think the adult actors besides the woman from The Mist were really acting stupid at all.
The end.
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It's impossible not to have some sort of God theme either in support of , against or questioning in a show that is depicting something like that has happened in The Walking Dead. It's almost madatory considering the implications of 'the dead' rising and what not. Being a Christian I always find it interesting how shows like this handle that element and I thought the 'Church' scene was very well done and depicted the different ways God may be viewed in an apocolyptic scenaria such as that.
Concerning the girl child and how 'dumb' her actions were, I think the character Shane summed it up best when he said something to the effect of her being a child suffering from extreme trauma. She wouldn't think as clearly as an adult, she'd want to get back to her mother ASAP, she prematurely left the safety of the under carriage of the car for that reason or out of a relieved fear.
I've never had an issue with any of the actors/actresses on the show including the kids, in fact 'Carl' and his acting has been pretty spot on for me. I think they've all been great. I have had and will probably continue to have issues wit the dialouge they are given as actors to speak. At times the writing is spot on fantastic (the denied death speech between the blonde and old man, she that was great IMO) and at times it is just horridly predicable. But I can take it cuz I like the show alot and for me it usually makes up for itself.
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I don't have problems with a religious element. I have problems with bad (and repetitive) writing, and the use of stupid clichés and melodrama.
Also, the writers had a chance to save this episode by someone making a joke about the futility of praying to the world's most famous zombie. And they missed.
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Also, the writers had a chance to save this episode by someone making a joke about the futility of praying to the world's most famous zombie. And they missed.
And that's not bad writing? Imagine that woman's reaction to that...
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Meh. Same problems as before. Don't think I'll watch the rest of the season.
Did you ever elaborate on these "problems"? I can't remember.
Some pretty bad characters. Some pretty bad dialogue/moments between characters. Characters being dumb in order to service the plot. Generally just handling the characters in a tone-deaf manner.
This episode was a step up in some respects (the highway set-piece was pretty good, although it was pretty convenient for no one to see massive horde coming at them until they were 30 m away), but was pretty tepid for the most part, and could've used some editing. Don't see why it was a 90-minute episode (other than to increase the number of ads). Also, tonight struck upon a pet peeve of mine: when shows (typically shitty procedurals) put a kid in peril in an attempt to up the emotional stakes. Tonight's episode did it twice.
Other things that annoyed me: Rick's opening recap was lame, contrived, while still directly avoiding a plot twist despite having no reason to do so. Also, bad accent is still bad. And the whole "prayer undercut by ironic twist" trope got done twice-over, just like ye olde "kid in peril" trope.
Aside from the kids who are rarely good actors to begin with (I hate kid actors), the acting is pretty damn good. I don't have a problem with any of the adult character's acting. I thought the black guy cutting himself was going to attract all the zombies, but it never really happened. Oh Well. There's nothing wrong with Rick's accent, but I didn't like his opening recap either. It didn't sound like the other times he talked on the walkie. If I didn't watch the behind the scenes stuff, I never would have known he was British or whatever. Kids will always be dumb. The prayer shit didn't interest me, but there will never not be some kind of god element on TV shows, so I'm used to it. I didn't see that ending coming. Things I was expecting from the deer: Half eaten zombie deer (hey it could happen) or zombies coming out of nowhere to attack the deer. KIDS ARE STUPID. I didn't think the adult actors besides the woman from The Mist were really acting stupid at all.
The end.
The also made it look like he stripped an artery and was bleeding out. I thought for sure he was dead. He just disappeared for a while and then magically pops up later. I was quite confused :lol
No TV is ever perfect. It is marred by so many issues that a lot of feature films don't have to deal with to such an extent. I cut TV a lot of slack, and Walking Dead is currently the only show I give a shit about. Is it perfect? No. But its better than just about anything else.
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o.O
It might be better than anything else in the horror genre... Drama is not this show's strong-suit.
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I really enjoyed the premiere, it kept me interested the entire time and everything was very intense. The atmosphere it created was fantastic as well. Looking forward to next week's episode.
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Meh. Same problems as before. Don't think I'll watch the rest of the season.
Did you ever elaborate on these "problems"? I can't remember.
Some pretty bad characters. Some pretty bad dialogue/moments between characters. Characters being dumb in order to service the plot. Generally just handling the characters in a tone-deaf manner.
This episode was a step up in some respects (the highway set-piece was pretty good, although it was pretty convenient for no one to see massive horde coming at them until they were 30 m away), but was pretty tepid for the most part, and could've used some editing. Don't see why it was a 90-minute episode (other than to increase the number of ads). Also, tonight struck upon a pet peeve of mine: when shows (typically shitty procedurals) put a kid in peril in an attempt to up the emotional stakes. Tonight's episode did it twice.
Other things that annoyed me: Rick's opening recap was lame, contrived, while still directly avoiding a plot twist despite having no reason to do so. Also, bad accent is still bad. And the whole "prayer undercut by ironic twist" trope got done twice-over, just like ye olde "kid in peril" trope.
Aside from the kids who are rarely good actors to begin with (I hate kid actors), the acting is pretty damn good. I don't have a problem with any of the adult character's acting. I thought the black guy cutting himself was going to attract all the zombies, but it never really happened. Oh Well. There's nothing wrong with Rick's accent, but I didn't like his opening recap either. It didn't sound like the other times he talked on the walkie. If I didn't watch the behind the scenes stuff, I never would have known he was British or whatever. Kids will always be dumb. The prayer shit didn't interest me, but there will never not be some kind of god element on TV shows, so I'm used to it. I didn't see that ending coming. Things I was expecting from the deer: Half eaten zombie deer (hey it could happen) or zombies coming out of nowhere to attack the deer. KIDS ARE STUPID. I didn't think the adult actors besides the woman from The Mist were really acting stupid at all.
The end.
The also made it look like he stripped an artery and was bleeding out. I thought for sure he was dead. He just disappeared for a while and then magically pops up later. I was quite confused :lol
No TV is ever perfect. It is marred by so many issues that a lot of feature films don't have to deal with to such an extent. I cut TV a lot of slack, and Walking Dead is currently the only show I give a shit about. Is it perfect? No. But its better than just about anything else.
There are like a solid 25-30 shows on television that would like a word with you.
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Just finished watching the first episode form season 2. This show makes me uneasy and sick but I can't stop watching it. It's so fucking good!
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Where the hell is Chino? He needs to fix the damn title.
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Where the hell is Chino? He needs to fix the damn title.
Huh, I'm enjoying this season of The Walkig Dead. Is there another show?
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Just watched episode one of Season 2. I thought it was ok if not pretty boring. Nothing really happened in the episode, where was the progression? Andrea was out of line constantly asking for a gun and blaming Dale for her own faults. Its her fault she left the CDC!
Sophia just ran off after Rick told her to stay in the hole. C'mon maybe its just me but I'm not going to wander around in woods even now let alone as a kid. Also the gutting of the zombie to check if it ate the kid scene was too long and not needed. I mean is checking one walker really going to confirm that she's alive? What if there was another?
We were joking that this show would be way better if it was just men and no women or children. No emotional cliches or stuff and more action. We'll see how it picks up in ep 2.
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Anyone who hasn't read the book have predictions about the life/death of either kid?
Eliminating both would probably cause the girl's mom to kill herself and Rick and his wife to be really sad and pissed, but ultimately they would have each other and it would eliminate worrying about the kids.
Why Rick told the girl to go back is confusing to me. Why not just tell her to stay there?
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Forgot he also her to go back. Yeah still doesn't make any sense.
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In the unfortunate event that he could become a zombies' next meal, she'd be hiding for a very long time.
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He should have just run back to the group with her. Surely he could have taken care of them similarly on the way back? Or even easier when they both regrouped with everyone.
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This episode lacked the action for sure. I watched the 'Talking Dead' afterwards, and the producer basically said that to try and take a look at the season in a broad look....not week to week. That yes, this episode lacked in action and zombie kills but that for instance, next week with what was set up with Shane and Otis....is nothing but action.
It's episodes like last night though that make me want to just DVR a few weeks without watching and then watch 3 or 4 episodes in a row. Not that I didn't like the show last night, but episodes that spend thier time setting up future episodes really bother me.
Although, it is looking like the black dude is going to turn into a zombie. The high fever and vein discoloring infection. That would be a reason that they focused on the way he cut himself. The producer did say that they were going to address what could/would happen if you came into direct contact with zombie blood i.e. eyes, mouth, wounds etc.
He also tried to explain that the dead on the highway that weren't zombie merely died of head trauma.
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Kind of like my mom said when the episode ended: "They spent a whole episode on that?" It was still enjoyable, but it was like season 2, episode 1.5.
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The black guy is most definitely a zombie. His wound probably got infected when he put that corpse on top of him when he was hiding.
I did laugh pretty hard when the Boondock Saints guy pulled out the bag of drugs.
My prediction for next week is the black guy ( sorry to keep emphasizing on race but I don't know his name) will be gone. I don't think we will see him transform. I think he'll shoot himself upon finding out, or he'll quietly just wander away after saying goodbye to everyone. I believe this will happen before the 2 guys return from getting the medical supplies. My guess is that with those 2, the fat guy isn't going to make it. Let's face it, he only has a sniper rifle and he won't be able to out run them. He'll give up his life to let the other guy get away, plus he feels as though he owes it to the kid for shooting him.
I don't know what's going to come of the mother with the short hair. If her daughter walks out of the woods before they leave, I'm going to be very pissed. They would have made three rescue attempts in the time it took her to get back, not to mention the girl then wondering out of the woods at the location of the RV will just be completely unrealistic. I think the mother will go crazy and decide to stay and wait for her daughter while the others leave her. They'll leave her a vehicle in the event she is able to rendezvous in the next episode.
If I'm correct though, that will mean the cast will be two people less. That is unless the farming family comes on board full time. I have the feeling they won't though. They seem pretty hell bent on staying on their farm and probably won't abandon it. There could be an epic zombie invasion on the farm which forces them to leave. Maybe all the zombies some how follow the medical retrieval duo back to the house.
Sorry if that post was just a bunch of ramble, a lot of it came to my mind for the first time while typing this.
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T-Dog is the black guy, yep... T-Dog.
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The interesting thing about the show (and ultimately the comic) is that the characters are not static. Meaning that with the exception of Rick Grimes, all bets are off that ANY of the current characters will remain throughout the series. In fact one of the things that Frank Darabont was attracted to most when he agreed to take over this project was the fact that new characters could be added (as others succumbed to the zombie hordes), and the show could go on. It's not very often that a series has allowed it's characters to be killed off regularly. Typically it's a formula for failure because viewers grow to like characters, and always killing off favorites would seem to just piss people off all the time. But this shows very premise allows the viewer to be drawn into who might get bitten/eaten week to week, and that in turn adds to the mystique of the show.
HOWEVER, Darabont's termination means that ANYTHING can happen now. Also since the shows budget has been slashed by nearly 1/4 million per epsiode, I'm willing to bet there will be a LOT more "set up" shows, and less action, which could spell disaster for this series.
Heres an interesting (and cautionary) article about the firing of Darabont and the shows potential future. Doesn't look promising. We can only hope they get their shit together and keep the mojo working, because it's a GREAT show!
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/walking-dead-what-happened-fired-221449
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Where the hell is Chino? He needs to fix the damn title.
:lol :lol
I'm just realizing this for the first time.
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The interesting thing about the show (and ultimately the comic) is that the characters are not static. Meaning that with the exception of Rick Grimes, all bets are off that ANY of the current characters will remain throughout the series. In fact one of the things that Frank Darabont was attracted to most when he agreed to take over this project was the fact that new characters could be added (as others succumbed to the zombie hordes), and the show could go on. It's not very often that a series has allowed it's characters to be killed off regularly. Typically it's a formula for failure because viewers grow to like characters, and always killing off favorites would seem to just piss people off all the time. But this shows very premise allows the viewer to be drawn into who might get bitten/eaten week to week, and that in turn adds to the mystique of the show.
HOWEVER, Darabont's termination means that ANYTHING can happen now. Also since the shows budget has been slashed by nearly 1/4 million per epsiode, I'm willing to bet there will be a LOT more "set up" shows, and less action, which could spell disaster for this series.
In the era of cable dramas, this is not really unique.
I'd be entirely fine with it breaking new ground, however, by killing the entire main cast.
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The interesting thing about the show (and ultimately the comic) is that the characters are not static. Meaning that with the exception of Rick Grimes, all bets are off that ANY of the current characters will remain throughout the series. In fact one of the things that Frank Darabont was attracted to most when he agreed to take over this project was the fact that new characters could be added (as others succumbed to the zombie hordes), and the show could go on. It's not very often that a series has allowed it's characters to be killed off regularly. Typically it's a formula for failure because viewers grow to like characters, and always killing off favorites would seem to just piss people off all the time. But this shows very premise allows the viewer to be drawn into who might get bitten/eaten week to week, and that in turn adds to the mystique of the show.
HOWEVER, Darabont's termination means that ANYTHING can happen now. Also since the shows budget has been slashed by nearly 1/4 million per epsiode, I'm willing to bet there will be a LOT more "set up" shows, and less action, which could spell disaster for this series.
In the era of cable dramas, this is not really unique.
I'd be entirely fine with it breaking new ground, however, by killing the entire main cast.
Thanks for the link TempusVox, interesting read. I had read something similar right after the firing but this article was way more detailed. Like you, I'm hoping the downgraded budget doesn't mean that 4 or 5 of the 13 episodes are 'set up' episodes. I understand thier importance but concur that a few more of these may start to make me worry a bit.
I too agree with GuineaPig, it would be neat/groundbreaking/unexpected to kill off the current cast or a large part of it. And as that article states it'd be pretty simple to pick up new characters along the way.
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This season is doing a great job of creating good places to put cliffhangers, which also is a good way to piss me off.
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Where the hell is Chino? He needs to fix the damn title.
:lol :lol
I'm just realizing this for the first time.
It's about time. I was worried you fell off another balcony or something.
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I thought the last two episodes were pretty good. I felt like they were possibly lacking something but not sure what. I feel like the show should have been more ramped up going into its second season, but almost felt watered down a little bit instead. I was surprised that the whole episode revolved around finding a kid in the woods. I thought that part was a bit boring I guess conceptually, but watching it wasn't terrible.
I think the important things that they have been showing us is decision making in stressful life or death situations. There have been a lot of hard decisions to be made and a lot of internal conflict among the characters.
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Something I was thinking about was that apparently this farm house isn't all that far from the main highway. I would think that whomever was surviving at that farm house, Otis, the Doctor and the gang....would have already picked those vehicles clean of any useful or valuable survival items like the water and weapons, the gas.
It could just be me and my fascination with Zombie movies and carrying on multiple daydreams of how I'd 'do' it or react or live, but being that close to a large supply of essentials I would think they'd have all the goodies.
Which brings me to another point. If I were Rick and the gang, I'm asking/begging, pleading my case to just stay there with them. Especially Rick. I mean, if Carl were to survive it'd be nice to have a relatively 'safe' place to raise him. It is farmland so one would assume there is a reliable source of water either on that land or nearby. He could easily pull his weight and be a great provider. I know that isn't exciting and he wouldn't be a part of the series any longer, but if I'm a Dad and husband in that situation I'm finding a way to 'settle' down like that. As for the others, oh well.
I think the important things that they have been showing us is decision making in stressful life or death situations. There have been a lot of hard decisions to be made and a lot of internal conflict among the characters.
That is a good point and seems to be exactly what they are doing. Trying to show how worn down and frazzled these people are after (assumed) months of surviving in a very high stressed environment.
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Well, I agree that the farm is somewhat safe right now.
But the problem in all Zombie-related things (movies/Tv-shows) is that one mistake is enough, one can screw up which attracts a herd of zombies to the farm, and then it's not so safe anymore.
Sure they had put up some barbed wire (?) or something, but it was sorta in the middle with forest all around, so if zombies were to come from all directions, things might get tricky.
As for why they hadn't looted any of the cars on the highway, I agree that it's a bit strange.
The most possible reason as I see it, is that they're a bit afraid of going too far from the farm, plus the fact that the freeway would most likely be one of the more common places to run into zombies, then let's say.. chillin' back at the farm.
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Miller and Zantera...excellent points on staying at the farm. Having read about 35 of the 80 some issues, I know "loosely" what happens next. :biggrin: I say "loosely" because the show hasn't "exactly" followed the comics storyline, but it's been pretty darn close.
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Having read about 35 of the 80 some issues, I know "loosely" what happens next.
Being that you have read the 'original' story....are you satisfied with how the series has been or has it bothered you however they have deviated from the novel? I consider myself lucky that I haven't read any of the graphic novel and my only familiarity with 'The Walking Dead' is what I've seen on AMC. There have been some others I know in different forums that are very dissatisfied with how the series depicts the novel. Just curious as to how you see it and how you feel.
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Well, I agree that the farm is somewhat safe right now.
But the problem in all Zombie-related things (movies/Tv-shows) is that one mistake is enough, one can screw up which attracts a herd of zombies to the farm, and then it's not so safe anymore.
Sure they had put up some barbed wire (?) or something, but it was sorta in the middle with forest all around, so if zombies were to come from all directions, things might get tricky.
As for why they hadn't looted any of the cars on the highway, I agree that it's a bit strange.
The most possible reason as I see it, is that they're a bit afraid of going too far from the farm, plus the fact that the freeway would most likely be one of the more common places to run into zombies, then let's say.. chillin' back at the farm.
Yeah, these are good points. In my mind the open barrier of field and barbed wire would/could serve as a buffer zone to gear up for that attack. I would have some sort of defense planned, but if it is a huge swarm you're kind of stuck.
Like I said, there are some days I spend a great deal of time just thinking about defending myself in a zombie attack. :lol Yeah...I'm a 35 year old husband and father of 3, that's what's on my mind. How I'd defend my family from a zombie attack that is so far from the realm of possibility of EVER happening.
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Just read that they have approved Season 3 already. Nice.
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Just read that they have approved Season 3 already. Nice.
Wow. That's pretty cool news. I wonder how that will affect the story if at all. If anything they know they have 'X' amount of time to explain this or that or develop certain aspects. Still interested to see how / if /when they bring Daryl's one handed brother back into the picture.
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Just read that they have approved Season 3 already. Nice.
Wow. That's pretty cool news. I wonder how that will affect the story if at all. If anything they know they have 'X' amount of time to explain this or that or develop certain aspects. Still interested to see how / if /when they bring Daryl's one handed brother back into the picture.
I don't know if/how he's going to get back. They group has traveled so far and it wouldn't make sense that he followed them this whole time in secret.
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I wonder if Carl will live. Doesn't seem like T-Dog will live much longer, given the state he's in. And Sofia, who knows?
Love the show, been watching since the very first episode.
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I feel like T-Dog will live because he was given antibiotics. Although if he does die, it won't really matter because he hasn't really contributed anything to the show as of late.
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Something about the way they had T-Dog acting and talking last episode coupled with the emphasis they put on the way he cut himself...I don't know, I just think he is going to become a 'walker' without having been bitten.
As much as I'd like them to allow Carl to die to remain 'realistic'....not that I want a kid to die like that......but that injury should kill a child. No doubt about it. I think it'd throw a huge curve ball and would really just have every viewer like WTF? I doubt they kill him off, we shall see.
I'm interested to see if Otis can keep pace with Shane and escape that hoard that is chasing them down to munch on. I don't see him being able to maintain in 'escape' mode for much longer....he's a big fella.
Something the producer said on that 'Talking Dead' show....he said that according to how 'fresh' a zombie is kind of determines how quickly they move. The more fresh or recent they've 'turned', the quicker they are and accordingly to how 'old' or beat up they are. That makes perfect sense and is a practical and realistic way to look at it.
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Where could Sophia have run off to? It doesn't seem like there was much around other than the highway and farmhouse. Wonder if she fell in a hole or something.
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Where could Sophia have run off to? It doesn't seem like there was much around other than the highway and farmhouse. Wonder if she fell in a hole or something.
If by hole you mean stomach, then most likely.
Did anyone else suddenly feel sick to their stomachs when they saw the gut covered baby car seat?
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I haven't seen the second episode, but I'd place my bet on her being taken by other humans.
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Did anyone else suddenly feel sick to their stomachs when they saw the gut covered baby car seat?
DUDE! You know ever since I became a Father 5 years ago scenes like that, the gunshot and bed side scene from last week....really any child sensitive scene from any movie or show REALLY affects me more than I thought it ever would. Just having the experience of being a Dad and having those feelings available to be exploited.....the answer to your question is 'Yes'....I was sickened as well.
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What should totally happen: the entire group dies at the end of season two. Or makes it to Bermuda or something.
Then, Vince Gilligan and the entire creative staff from Breaking Bad takes over the show. Bam! Greatness in two easy steps.
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Having read about 35 of the 80 some issues, I know "loosely" what happens next.
Being that you have read the 'original' story....are you satisfied with how the series has been or has it bothered you however they have deviated from the novel? I consider myself lucky that I haven't read any of the graphic novel and my only familiarity with 'The Walking Dead' is what I've seen on AMC. There have been some others I know in different forums that are very dissatisfied with how the series depicts the novel. Just curious as to how you see it and how you feel.
It's pretty refreshing actually. I mean if it were exactly like the book, I don't think I'd watch it for long. Just someone elses interpretaion of what had already been visually presented would make me lose interest rather quickly I think. The fact that it's not exactly the same is really cool. I mean, I can identify some parts, but I still don't know what's exactly next, so it stays fresh that way for sure. I just really hope that the set-ups don't drag out too muh. What would be ideal I think would be for the newtowrk to say "We goofed!"; beg Darabont back, and raise the budget. Don't think that'll happen though.
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It's pretty refreshing actually. I mean if it were exactly like the book, I don't think I'd watch it for long. Just someone elses interpretaion of what had already been visually presented would make me lose interest rather quickly I think. The fact that it's not exactly the same is really cool.
Yeah, I think treating it as a separate entity from the graphic novels is the proper way to watch the show.
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Just watched the 3rd episode. Shane's a cock.
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Just watched the 3rd episode. Shane's a cock.
That pretty much.
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Just watched the 3rd episode. Shane's a cock.
I absolutely disagree. My mother and I argued about Shane's actions this morning. She couldn't believe he'd do someting like that, especially after Otis wouldn't leave Shane behind. I said I would have. Given that you love and care for a small child....he NEEDS that equipment to have a chance to live.....the world as you knew it as far as law and order are non existant.....I think I would have done the same thing. In that world they live in they have to approach every day much like the soldiers of WWII did, you are already dead...it's just a matter of time when it is finalized.
Sadly, it's nothing but survival of the fittest and Shane did what he had to do to survive and help Carl live. It came as a shock that he did it, but the reasons he did it make perfect sense to me. You can see though by his actions and the 'thoughts' he has that it wasn't something he is proud of or that he is soon to forget. That is really going to mess with him for a while.
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Just watched the 3rd episode. Shane's a cock.
Sadly, it's nothing but survival of the fittest and Shane did what he had to do to survive and help Carl live. It came as a shock that he did it, but the reasons he did it make perfect sense to me. You can see though by his actions and the 'thoughts' he has that it wasn't something he is proud of or that he is soon to forget. That is really going to mess with him for a while.
All of this! Shane's really just a sharp contrast of Rick. He's willing to make the tough choices. If Rick were in place of Shane in the school, he would've done everything to bring Otis back even if it meant Carl dying because of it. Shane, as dark and as surprising as it was, probably saved Carl's live because of what he did.
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Shane's really just a sharp contrast of Rick. He's willing to make the tough choices. If Rick were in place of Shane in the school, he would've done everything to bring Otis back even if it meant Carl dying because of it. Shane, as dark and as surprising as it was, probably saved Carl's live because of what he did.
Nice point! Even though it seems so obvious now that you said it I never really looked at Shane and Ricks characters like that but it sure looks like that is the case. Makes me wonder now if there was an affair between Lori and Shane before Rick was in an accident....that the scene where she revealed to her friend that she wished her husband would yell and fight a bit and not be so sensible wasn't an admission of sorts that she would rather be with the 'contrast' of Rick. Or maybe that is just what attracted her to Shane after the accident. Wonder if they will address or reveal the beginning of that romance or not.
But that observation about Shane is right on...Rick definately takes the 'Boy Scout' approach...which is not nescessarily a bad thing, but there are times when you need to take the Navy Seal approach as well and Shane seems to know how to do that.
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But Otis was moving faster than Shane.....they both could've gotten away somehow.
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Otis was fat, fat people die in zombie things. :P
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But Otis was moving faster than Shane.....they both could've gotten away somehow.
I was getting the impression that even though they appeared to be 'ahead' of that particular 'herd', those walkers were just coming from every which way...hence negating all leads or apparent advantage they had. I may be wrong in that but that was the sense I had.
I'm wondering since Shane attempted to 'give up' earlier due to his injured ankle, that if in that moment he knew there was no way he could even keep up with Otis at that time...leading him not only to make the decision to shoot Otis just to get the supplies to Carl but also to preserve his own life? One never really knows what they'd do in moments like that, and maybe he just made the decision to mame Otis and leave him as a distraction just to assure he'd live, and save Carl.
Whatever the reason....he's never going to be the same. His behavior is already a bit odd. I'm sure once a day or two has passed he will seem 'normal' but there has to be some sort of great internal struggle or judgment going on there....unless he is just a cold blooded heartless bastard in which case he just shot Otis to save himself and Carls' lifesaving equipment just happened to be a bonus. I haven't seen evidence thus far that is the case...he seems to have some sort of 'caring' emotion, but who knows what living in a world like that day after day will do to a person.
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Yeah......I knew Shane seemed bothered or upset by something in the very beginning.
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Just watched the 3rd episode. Shane's a cock.
I absolutely disagree. My mother and I argued about Shane's actions this morning. She couldn't believe he'd do someting like that, especially after Otis wouldn't leave Shane behind. I said I would have. Given that you love and care for a small child....he NEEDS that equipment to have a chance to live.....the world as you knew it as far as law and order are non existant.....I think I would have done the same thing. In that world they live in they have to approach every day much like the soldiers of WWII did, you are already dead...it's just a matter of time when it is finalized.
Sadly, it's nothing but survival of the fittest and Shane did what he had to do to survive and help Carl live. It came as a shock that he did it, but the reasons he did it make perfect sense to me. You can see though by his actions and the 'thoughts' he has that it wasn't something he is proud of or that he is soon to forget. That is really going to mess with him for a while.
That's not the way I interpreted it.
I saw Shane's action as simple revenge for shooting Carl. No benefit would arise from shooting Otis. In fact, doing so would only risk having them both die off and not deliver the supplies to Carl. Shane merely shot Otis for accidentally shooting Carl. In other words: Shane is a douchecookie.
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Just watched the 3rd episode. Shane's a cock.
I absolutely disagree. My mother and I argued about Shane's actions this morning. She couldn't believe he'd do someting like that, especially after Otis wouldn't leave Shane behind. I said I would have. Given that you love and care for a small child....he NEEDS that equipment to have a chance to live.....the world as you knew it as far as law and order are non existant.....I think I would have done the same thing. In that world they live in they have to approach every day much like the soldiers of WWII did, you are already dead...it's just a matter of time when it is finalized.
Sadly, it's nothing but survival of the fittest and Shane did what he had to do to survive and help Carl live. It came as a shock that he did it, but the reasons he did it make perfect sense to me. You can see though by his actions and the 'thoughts' he has that it wasn't something he is proud of or that he is soon to forget. That is really going to mess with him for a while.
That's not the way I interpreted it.
I saw Shane's action as simple revenge for shooting Carl. No benefit would arise from shooting Otis. In fact, doing so would only risk having them both die off and not deliver the supplies to Carl. Shane merely shot Otis for accidentally shooting Carl. In other words: Shane is a douchecookie.
Just about to say that! He seems like the grudge-holding type.
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I saw Shane's action as simple revenge for shooting Carl. No benefit would arise from shooting Otis.
Really? Because the hordes of zombie wouldn't stop to eat the wounded Otis, right?
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I saw Shane's action as simple revenge for shooting Carl. No benefit would arise from shooting Otis.
Really? Because the hordes of zombie wouldn't stop to eat the wounded Otis, right?
They were pretty near the car. They get in quick, the zombies try to break windows, step on gas, no more zombies on windows, home, give Carl the medicines, etc, done.
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I saw Shane's action as simple revenge for shooting Carl. No benefit would arise from shooting Otis.
Really? Because the hordes of zombie wouldn't stop to eat the wounded Otis, right?
They were pretty near the car. They get in quick, the zombies try to break windows, step on gas, no more zombies on windows, home, give Carl the medicines, etc, done.
Did they ever show the car or how near they were? The only vehicle that was in the picture of Shane leaving Otis was a broken down school bus. They never gave a clear indication that they were close to the truck, just a scen where Otis says something like "it's across the next street" or something like that.
I wouldn't doubt that the fact Otis shot Carl made it a bit 'easier' for Shane to wound him letting the walkers focus on Otis and eat him...thus allowing Shane to escape. But I didn't interpret that scene as anything other than...we aren't going to make it 'unless' some extreme measures are taken. Better one of us make it than none so Shane made the choice to 'feed' the walkers and make his get away.
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I saw Shane's action as simple revenge for shooting Carl. No benefit would arise from shooting Otis.
Really? Because the hordes of zombie wouldn't stop to eat the wounded Otis, right?
They were pretty near the car. They get in quick, the zombies try to break windows, step on gas, no more zombies on windows, home, give Carl the medicines, etc, done.
Did they ever show the car or how near they were? The only vehicle that was in the picture of Shane leaving Otis was a broken down school bus. They never gave a clear indication that they were close to the truck, just a scen where Otis says something like "it's across the next street" or something like that.
I was just about to ask this.
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To be fair, I think Shane's action is one of those situations that.. when people see it on TV, they are like "Man he is such a cock", but if it were to happen to themselves in real life, they would most likely do it themselves.
There's another good example of that, in the movie "28 weeks later", where (without spoiling too much), Robert Carlyle does something similar in the beginning.
Honestly, I think it's a good move, because it shows humans real nature.
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That ending was incredible. Totally took me by surprise.
I really think there's a dark edge to Shane which we really haven't gotten to fully experience yet. Like in the woods in Season 1 where he puts the crosshairs on Rick. From that point on, I was expecting him to go down a darker route.
Also Its kinda breaking my suspension of disbelief for the farmhouse to have both full power and running water and for them to just chill on the porch at night like there wasn't a zombie apocalypse at all. I grew on Night of the living dead, so I'm used to farm houses being over run by the zombie masses, but regardless I am still digging this show.
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One thing to note about Shane. He shot Otis in the leg. He knew Otis would live through that, yet get eaten. He coulda easily shot Otis right in the head and then run off. I think Shane kinda wanted Otis to suffer a bit. I think he shot him to escape and get the supplies to Carl because it became obvious he had to stop the zombie rushing them. The best way to do that was have someone get eaten. Shane has nothing left to lose except for Carl, Lori, and even Rick, even though sometimes he doesn't act that way. So I think he did shoot Otis to secure his own escape.
I think the straight malice comes when he shot him in the leg instead of the head.
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I think the shot in the leg was just done by the writers so they could add a little extra tension when Shane is fighting him off to get the supplies and had nothing to do with malice, but that's just me.
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I think the shot in the leg was just done by the writers so they could add a little extra tension when Shane is fighting him off to get the supplies and had nothing to do with malice, but that's just me.
I don't think so. Shane is not stupid enough to just carelessly make the mistake of shooting someone in the leg. I think he wanted Otis to be alive when he was eaten. Or perhaps he knew his screaming would attract all of the Zombies.
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I really think there's a dark edge to Shane which we really haven't gotten to fully experience yet. Like in the woods in Season 1 where he puts the crosshairs on Rick. From that point on, I was expecting him to go down a darker route.
Absolutely what I was thinking. I just wonder if they will ever turn him so dark that people can't justify his actions.
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Good episode.
From the way Shane was acting when he arrived back, I figured there was something going on, and my guess was that he had had some hand in Otis' death. It was still very well pulled off though.
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About the shot in the leg, I was thinking a bit about it, and.. if Shane had shot him in the head instead, maybe the walkers wouldn't have been so interested in him?
I mean, by shooting him in the leg, he was still alive and struggling, yelling and all that, if Shane would have killed him and continued to run, wouldn't Shane have been the more "interesting" target?
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All interesting points and observations. I see Shane in an entirely different light. First *GRAPHIC NOVEL SPOILER ALERT* the character known as shane doesnt live past the first comic/epsiode. he's shot and killed by carl...)
I see Shane as really being the most potentially volatile character. I could foresee him hooking up someday with the handless Merle character from season 1 (wherever he is). Shane has already shone his hand that he has no moral code. Shane is the anti-Rick. Shane desires desperately to not just be LIKE Rick, but to BE Rick. Rick is everything that Shane is not. Yet, Shane tries to give the outward appearance that he is like him. The whole affair with Laurie...the love for Carl. Shane NEEDS to be like Rick, and even tries to convince himself that he is, but he knows deep down that he isn't and never will be, and it kills him inside. I think we'll begin to see more and more of his dark side coming through the cracks as time goes on.
Remember when he drew down on Rick in his gun sights? A crack in the facade. When he attacked Laurie at the CDC? A crack in the facade. The WAY he killed Otis? A MAJOR crack in the facade. What's interesting about Shanes character is while the others are struggling 100% to survive this new world dynamic, Shane spends most of his energy struggling with his own inner demons, and his wanton jealousy of the man he wants so desperately to be. Further evidence of the strain this struggle causes him is his desire to leave the group behind.
The way he killed Otis speaks volumes. In this new world, EVERYONES reality is---you get bit even a little bit by a walker, you're through bookin'. Shane broke the only thread left holding him to humanity, because he made someone die the most ghoulsih and cruel way to die in this new world. If we had to list the causes of death in their world-- car accidents, cancer and heart disease are ALL behind being killed by zombies, and Shane forced a fellow human being to die that way. Even Rick couldn't live with the possibility that he forced Merle into such a potentially horrific demise that he risked his life and the lives of others to go back and try and save him. Shanes actions showed just how much off the"spool" his thread has unwound.
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All interesting points and observations. I see Shane in an entirely different light. First *GRAPHIC NOVEL SPOILER ALERT* the character known as shane doesnt live past the first comic/epsiode. he's shot and killed by carl...)
I see Shane as really being the most potentially volatile character. I could foresee him hooking up someday with the handless Merle character from season 1 (wherever he is). Shane has already shone his hand that he has no moral code. Shane is the anti-Rick. Shane desires desperately to not just be LIKE Rick, but to BE Rick. Rick is everything that Shane is not. Yet, Shane tries to give the outward appearance that he is like him. The whole affair with Laurie...the love for Carl. Shane NEEDS to be like Rick, and even tries to convince himself that he is, but he knows deep down that he isn't and never will be, and it kills him inside. I think we'll begin to see more and more of his dark side coming through the cracks as time goes on.
Remember when he drew down on Rick in his gun sights? A crack in the facade. When he attacked Laurie at the CDC? A crack in the facade. The WAY he killed Otis? A MAJOR crack in the facade. What's interesting about Shanes character is while the others are struggling 100% to survive this new world dynamic, Shane spends most of his energy struggling with his own inner demons, and his wanton jealousy of the man he wants so desperately to be. Further evidence of the strain this struggle causes him is his desire to leave the group behind.
The way he killed Otis speaks volumes. In this new world, EVERYONES reality is---you get bit even a little bit by a walker, you're through bookin'. Shane broke the only thread left holding him to humanity, because he made someone die the most ghoulsih and cruel way to die in this new world. If we had to list the causes of death in their world-- car accidents, cancer and heart disease are ALL behind being killed by zombies, and Shane forced a fellow human being to die that way. Even Rick couldn't live with the possibility that he forced Merle into such a potentially horrific demise that he risked his life and the lives of others to go back and try and save him. Shanes actions showed just how much off the"spool" his thread has unwound.
Awesome Post! :metal
I was aware of your very tiny worded spoiler from the Graphic Novels....and that is what is so intriguing about his character now. There really is no 'boundary' that the writers/producers are limited to with Shane due to that fact. Very cool I think and as I said....nice post. :tup
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I inadvertantly deleted the last episode and had a question about the 'story' Shane told Rick. If I remember correctly, he told Rick he and Otis were down to 5 rounds a piece and Otis said he would cover Shane. Did Shane say he gave Otis his gun to help Otis cover him? I'm only curious because, Shane utimately ripped Rick's gun from Otis...and I'm assuming he is going to give it back to Rick, which would leave a hole in his story on how he recovered Ricks gun. I am sure Rick would see that inconsistency if that is the case and perhaps confront Shane, which I imagine would lead to one of those scenes where Shane says nothing but gives Rick a 'look' or may even refer to Carl living or something like that.
But I thought I recalled Shane admitting he gave Otis his gun.....but he has both guns now. Anyone remember?
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I did NOT see that twist at the end coming. This is going to be an interesting development for Shane for the next few episodes to see how his character reacts about lying about the Otis story.
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I did NOT see that twist at the end coming. This is going to be an interesting development for Shane for the next few episodes to see how his character reacts about lying about the Otis story.
With this Otis 'situation' the fact that he has essentially 'lost' Lori and Carl....on top of just trying to survive in that type of world, I don't see how he rebounds or stays "normal". I'm wondering if he just loses it at some point and is killed by a member of the group, or the other aspect may be somewhere along the line he sacrifices himself for the group.
Who knows, I'm glad to know that they've already picked up a full season 3 so the story/plot lines being developed now should have time to pan out.
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I did NOT see that twist at the end coming. This is going to be an interesting development for Shane for the next few episodes to see how his character reacts about lying about the Otis story.
With this Otis 'situation' the fact that he has essentially 'lost' Lori and Carl....on top of just trying to survive in that type of world, I don't see how he rebounds or stays "normal". I'm wondering if he just loses it at some point and is killed by a member of the group, or the other aspect may be somewhere along the line he sacrifices himself for the group.
Who knows, I'm glad to know that they've already picked up a full season 3 so the story/plot lines being developed now should have time to pan out.
Exactly. That's why his character's development is going to crucial now. Because they basically have SO much time to work with now.
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I'm so glad Lori is pregnant.
The guy getting ripped in half was AWESOME.
The asian getting laid was LAME.
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Question. How many people here have actually read the series? I keep seeing people that are like "I didn't see that coming," for things that happen in the books...
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The asian getting laid was LAME.
Racist.
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Latest episode was fairly meh.
I'm starting to wonder if something will actually happen between all the "oh dear god" and "god will show us the way" and all that nonsense, I'm not suggesting that it should be action all the time, but we've gotten 4 episodes where there hasn't really happened a lot.
Most of the action-parts have come from characters doing retarded things, like in this last episode for example.
And the "cliffhanger" was also lame, we could see that coming. (even more the people who know the comics)
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Question. How many people here have actually read the series?
Not me.
Latest episode was fairly meh.
Most of the action-parts have come from characters doing retarded things, like in this last episode for example.
That was soooo retarded. The lady farmer said that they had 5 wells on the farm. Why would they even want to risk drinking the water in the first place (regardless of if he was bleeding or not), let alone send someone down the well with a rope....
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Yeah, and I mean.. even if the walker didn't effect the water, who the hell would want to drink it afterwards? :lol
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Yeah not a whole lot happened in this episode. Things were pretty random (like the sex at the drugstore) and the whole thing with the well was pretty dumb. I'm hoping something more exciting will happen in the next episode.
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At least next episode looks very promising...
[SPOILER]
Merle is coming back.
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:)
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Yeah not a whole lot happened in this episode. Things were pretty random (like the sex at the drugstore) and the whole thing with the well was pretty dumb. I'm hoping something more exciting will happen in the next episode.
I hope Lori gives birth to a zombie baby. Better yet, I hope one day she just randomly drops dead and has a fetus rip a hole through her stomach as it emerges.... That would be insane.
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For as much as I love this show, this episode in particular may have been my least favorite to this point. As has been touched upon, just a very stale episode. The well debacle, again....you have 5 wells, shoot the walker and then you have 4. I can't believe that dude would agree to be lowered into the well on a rope. I'm glad they didn't throw the obligatory lone walker attack during the pharmacy scene, but I actually thought it was neat the way they just encorporated the "Oh, lets have sex" scene into it. I'm sure there is more than one guy on the forum who dreams about a hot chick just saying let's do it.
For as slow and drawn out as the episode for me still contained some girth. Daryl by far is my favorite character. From being a hard nosed good ol' country boy who can take care of himself then doing a 180 to being a caring sensitive soul, the way he has treated Sofi's mother. Very intriguing character. I'm hoping that arrow in his side doesn't mean his character is leaving. I mean, if a 75lb kid can take a fragmented .230 shell to the chest, what's an arrow through the side to a grown, hardened man?
I like having my suspicions from last year confirmed that Lori is indeed pregnant. It helps my fragile ego ;D Talk about adding a whole new stressful element to an already overly stressful environment. To be honest, I don't know how an embryo would be able to continue to develop undernourished and in stress like that, but such is the beauty of life.
I liked the scene where Shane revealed to Andrea how he tries to approach the life or death situations, almost like he was trying to convince himself and assure himself he did the right thing. Also, the stage has been set for a showdown it seems between Rick and the Dr. about having to leave and wanting to stay. The fact that the Dr. said there are circumstances he cant' discuss leads me to believe that maybe there are more people on that farm than they are revealing, perhaps there is an 'away team' out there rounding up supplies or something due to return.
As I said, I'd like the next episode to pick up the pace a bit but am satisfied at least when they give us these types of 'revealing' episodes that there actually is something there that can build these characters more.
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My guess Is that they aren't just going to leave the house. I'm assuming we are going to see an insane zombie attack on the farm. For one thing it would be awesome. Second of all, with the high number of humans, it would be a fight of epic proportions. I think the older members from the farm will die on the farm along with Sophie. Glenn's new girlfriend will probably die as well, and I think the blonde sister will kill herself. The new cast members as well as the remaining originals will venture off the farm.
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Also, the stage has been set for a showdown it seems between Rick and the Dr. about having to leave and wanting to stay. The fact that the Dr. said there are circumstances he cant' discuss leads me to believe that maybe there are more people on that farm than they are revealing, perhaps there is an 'away team' out there rounding up supplies or something due to return.
As I said, I'd like the next episode to pick up the pace a bit but am satisfied at least when they give us these types of 'revealing' episodes that there actually is something there that can build these characters more.
Your whole post is interesting, but I quoted this part in particular because of my own theory.
There was one scene during the episode where Rick asked something like "Couldn't we just stay in the barn? we wont be in the way", to which the Dr became very upset/angry and was more like a "no, that is not possible".
I'm gonna put this next part in small font because it might be considered a spoiler, but:
From what I've heard about the comic-series, they keep zombies chained up (or whatever) in the barn, and maybe this is one of the reasons why he doesn't want them to stay on the farm for too long.
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Your whole post is interesting, but I quoted this part in particular because of my own theory.
There was one scene during the episode where Rick asked something like "Couldn't we just stay in the barn? we wont be in the way", to which the Dr became very upset/angry and was more like a "no, that is not possible".
There is definately 'something' going down on that farm that hasn't been revealed. Something is awry. Even at the well scene when the wet walker was killed, the way that Daughter acted was almost like she knew the walker who was in the well. When Glenn said sommethig like 'Oh yeah, that was kind of craxy but we are numb to it', her response was almost forced and she tried to act shocked about it. I took it like she was more upset about that person/walker dying.
Chino, I love your idea. A nice battle between a couple hundred walkers and the group would really be cool. I agree that it would seem there would have to be something of a significant scale or happening to force them off that farm. With the glimpse of Merle showing up in the next episode, I won't be suprised if he isn't behind that reason.
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Holy crap, did not realize there was a season 2 thread!
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Your whole post is interesting, but I quoted this part in particular because of my own theory.
There was one scene during the episode where Rick asked something like "Couldn't we just stay in the barn? we wont be in the way", to which the Dr became very upset/angry and was more like a "no, that is not possible".
There is definately 'something' going down on that farm that hasn't been revealed. Something is awry. Even at the well scene when the wet walker was killed, the way that Daughter acted was almost like she knew the walker who was in the well. When Glenn said sommethig like 'Oh yeah, that was kind of craxy but we are numb to it', her response was almost forced and she tried to act shocked about it. I took it like she was more upset about that person/walker dying.
Chino, I love your idea. A nice battle between a couple hundred walkers and the group would really be cool. I agree that it would seem there would have to be something of a significant scale or happening to force them off that farm. With the glimpse of Merle showing up in the next episode, I won't be suprised if he isn't behind that reason.
I still think he was behind the walker attack on the camp in Season 1.
Also hoping for a barn attack.
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I still think he was behind the walker attack on the camp in Season 1.
Likewise. I thought that he took that cargo van they all traveled to the city in, somehow lured a group of walkers into it, then took them and let them out near the camp. I'm just curious as to when Merle and the group are 'reunited' if Daryl is going to stand up for the group so to speak, or if he is going to stick to family lines.
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I think that all this time I've been looking at this show the wrong way. I approached it as a zombie show which happened to have some drama in it, when in reality its more of a drama which happens to have some zombies.
The whole last season I was frustrated with there not being enough zombies, but now looking at it from a different perspective, I think I'm enjoying it more.
Also, the well thing came off as really dumb and contrived. And also, Shane looked really weird with overalls on.
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I was so badly hoping that Daryl would find Sophie inside that house, just to put that whole subplot to an end.
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I was so badly hoping that Daryl would find Sophie inside that house, just to put that whole subplot to an end.
With the rumor (?) that Merle coming back, I bet he has her hostage and is threatening to chop her in half with his new CHAINSAW HAND!
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I was so badly hoping that Daryl would find Sophie inside that house, just to put that whole subplot to an end.
With the rumor (?) that Merle coming back, I bet he has her hostage and is threatening to chop her in half with his new CHAINSAW HAND!
I think we have a winner here.
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That episode was pretty shitty. I mean nothing important happened at all. They spent 44 minutes in order to tell us Lori is pregnant. More searching for the fucking girl. 4 episodes of that shit. Really? Fuck. This is frustrating because I love the show, but NOTHING is happening. They haven't moved the plot forward at all this season.
I bet the farmers are eating people kept in the barn for survival or something crazy like that. At least that would put the show back on track to be scary/suspenseful.
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Episode was a bit slow, but the whole season has been a little. It's not a serious problem for me, but it is noticeable, especially in comparison to last season.
Why did they originally stop looking for Merle? It's been a while since I saw the first season, but I don't recall Daryl kicking up a fuss about it, which you think he would have. They made one trip into the city again, and just stopped. This time, it's like, we'll scour the countryside for days on end. Yes, the city was full of zombies, but you'd think they could have made a bit more effort, or Daryl would have wanted them to.
Also, there was a makeshift bed at the bottom of the pantry, right? So Sofia could be there? And Daryl said nothing about it to her mother why? My guess was he didn't want to get her hopes up prematurely or something.
I thought the drugstore sex scene was okay. They had suggested some tension between the characters before that, and the way it happened was amusing and believable, I suppose, so I'm not gonna complain. (Funny story though, while my brother and I were watching this episode, my mum happened to walk into the room during that scene. Her: "what's this show about?" Me: "Zombies taking over the world." Her: "oooh".)
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I think that all this time I've been looking at this show the wrong way. I approached it as a zombie show which happened to have some drama in it, when in reality its more of a drama which happens to have some zombies.
The whole last season I was frustrated with there not being enough zombies, but now looking at it from a different perspective, I think I'm enjoying it more.
This is the best angle to take on the series IMO. I am not expecting every episode to be a zombie kill all fest, I'm now accustomed to and enjoy the 'drama' aspect, them building these characters....but when some cool zombie stuff happens that is just a neat bonus.
I would venture to guess that those who find themselves the most disappointed with the series are those who won't/can't/have yet to make that alteration in thier thinking and how they approach the show and/or what they expect from it. I think it's becoming pretty clear how this series is going to be structured as far as drama vs. action/zombie killing.
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Well, I think this view might come from the notion that the zombie stuff is the only element the show does well.
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I would love it if they moved on more, they've stayed at the farm for 4 episodes now, mostly cause Carl got shot obviously, but would love to see them move from place to place a bit more, like they did a bit during the first season.
Would also love to see another big city, like Atlanta (?) when it was pretty much deserted and Rick barely got out alive, would be cool if they had to go to a big city for supplies or something.
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I'm mad that Lori is pregnant. It's just going to be another stupid plot device to revolve around when it comes time for her to deliver. The only way this pregnancy can be interesting is if she is forced to tell Rick that maybe its not his baby and then has a miscarriage or something.
This show is ruined if a baby comes into the picture.
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I'm mad that Lori is pregnant. It's just going to be another stupid plot device to revolve around when it comes time for her to deliver. The only way this pregnancy can be interesting is if she is forced to tell Rick that maybe its not his baby and then has a miscarriage or something.
This show is ruined if a baby comes into the picture.
Given the frailty of pregnancy...the stressful and physically demanding environment they are in, the lack of proper nutrition....if the writers are trying to be 'realistic' about this I don't see how this pregnancy goes full term. Maybe it's a case of her having to tell Rick it's Shanes and creating that conflict and then there is a miscarriage or she is killed or something along those lines.
I agree with the sentiment that these first 4 episodes have been less than enthralling, I personally dont mind the plot building aspects of these episodes and can deal with the lack of action IF there is a payoff. However, I don't think I'd be happy with a full season of 'drama' like this with little or no zombie action. I'm hoping the re-intorduction of Merle will stir up the pot a bit. It would almost have to given the demenor and instability of his character.
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I mean, have they really been building a plot? It doesn't really feel like it to me. Carl getting shot hasn't really done much for any character. It basically just brought everything back to the status quo. Like if Carl didn't get shot and Sophia didn't go missing, Andrea woulda killed herself, Shane woulda left, T-Dog woulda given up. But now everyone seems to back to their original state.
I just feel like 4 episodes and nothing has really moved on. I liked this show because there was always something they were trying to do or accomplish. There was always some mission to move the group forward. I want to see more of this world that is completely obliterated. It's pretty boring just being on a farm and isolated. Not to mention they are just throwing in a gimmick like the zombie in the well to make an episode kind of interesting and create fake tension and suspense.
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A lot has happened in the story, regardless of how long it has taken. Shane character has taken a complete 180 from what I originally thought. Maybe I'm wrong thinking he's really evil, but that's what the show is trying to get us to think. I think he's going to die for sure by the end of this season. I think Dale has some extremely haunting underlying back story that we are slowly building up to, idk why, but I just get that vibe. I can't seein T-dog dying. Not to sound racist, but the show needs a black guy. Unless a new one gets introduced I don't see him leaving.
The whole Lori being pregnant... I don't have any clue how that can play out. I highly doubt they'd kill her off during pregnancy. Rick as a character would fall apart at that point, not to mention I think it will be hard for the son to act out the role of having your mother and future sibling eaten. I'm guessing she miscarriages.
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So yeah, last episode was meh, but after the one before it it was pretty hard for it not to be.
Also, fuck Merle coming back! Seriously, fuck that guy!
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How does everyone know that Merle is coming back?
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How does everyone know that Merle is coming back?
He was shown on the preview for next week's episode.
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Ohhhh. Ok I don't see those because I watch it through Amazon.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Merle is only in a dream sequence or a flashback, to "spice up" the farm-life at the ranch.
Seriously though, the more I think about it, the more logical it seems.
Oh god I don't hope so...
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Prediction:
Daryl acted really sketch last last episode when confronted about going off alone. He knows where his brother is, and his brother has the missing child.
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Pretty good episode. I'm ready to see this farm situation come to a boil though.
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A lot less action so far this season, just slow emotion plot scenes. I mean its not that bad not as interesting as the first season.
Really dragging on searching for the girl for this long? The well scene was stupid. What's the point in taking the zombie out and killing it? Would you seriously used the water if there was a walker in there for who knows how long? I could see blood all over it, it has to be already contaminated.
Asian guy hasn't has much story other than almost getting sent down the well to die, at least he got laid he deserves at least that for putting him in the situation. Hope next weeks episode is better.
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The new episode was probably my favorite of the season so far, at least things are starting to happen. :D
Also, inb4 my prediction about Merle.
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I'm thinking they have drug searching for Sofia out to be able to define what side of the line Shane and Rick are on, define that line...and perhaps ultimately have people choose which side they are going to stand on.
I can see both thier points. I'd like to think that I'd keep 'hope' alive like Rick does, but can completely see myself as well if I had my wife and kids to protect just shutting out the rest of the world and turning everyone else into something that is going to inhibit me from providing/protecting my family. For as 'boring' as the character/plot building has been to this point, I'm sure it has it's purpose and has been nescessary.
Next week episode looks cool..like that barn full of family and friends or whatever the reason they are being kept...it appears they get released or escape somehow.
Prediction:
Daryl acted really sketch last last episode when confronted about going off alone. He knows where his brother is, and his brother has the missing child.
Not sure about this. I'm sure it's possible, but given the dialouge he had with imaginary Merle and the fact that he's still calling out to Sofia...I don't know. Interesting theory though.
Oh and Zantera....nice call on the Merle cameo. :tup
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I'm thinking they have drug searching for Sofia out to be able to define what side of the line Shane and Rick are on, define that line...and perhaps ultimately have people choose which side they are going to stand on.
I can see both thier points. I'd like to think that I'd keep 'hope' alive like Rick does, but can completely see myself as well if I had my wife and kids to protect just shutting out the rest of the world and turning everyone else into something that is going to inhibit me from providing/protecting my family. For as 'boring' as the character/plot building has been to this point, I'm sure it has it's purpose and has been nescessary.
Next week episode looks cool..like that barn full of family and friends or whatever the reason they are being kept...it appears they get released or escape somehow.
Prediction:
Daryl acted really sketch last last episode when confronted about going off alone. He knows where his brother is, and his brother has the missing child.
Not sure about this. I'm sure it's possible, but given the dialouge he had with imaginary Merle and the fact that he's still calling out to Sofia...I don't know. Interesting theory though.
Oh and Zantera....nice call on the Merle cameo. :tup
You also need to keep in mind that ifntheynwerent searching for Sophia, everyone would just be chilling on the farm waiting for Carl to get healthy ... And thatd be pretty boring.
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Holy shit about what happened in the hayloft. Can't wait for next week's episode! :)
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Holy shit about what happened in the hayloft. Can't wait for next week's episode! :)
It would have been better is Glenn walked in without a flashlight, thought he was getting a blowjob, then turned into a zombie.
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Holy shit about what happened in the hayloft. Can't wait for next week's episode! :)
It would have been better is Glenn walked in without a flashlight, thought he was getting a blowjob, then turned into a zombie.
Do you think she'll let Glenn off easy or will she kill him or throw him to the zombies to protect the secret?
SPECULATION
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I was just about to say... I bet the barn is where non zombies get thrown if they don't do what the old guy wants.
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Do you think she'll let Glenn off easy or will she kill him or throw him to the zombies to protect the secret?
Highly doubt she kills him. I think she's 'falling' for him anyway, I'd bet she leaves the farm to be with that group before killing any of them.
Her Pop's is getting stranger by the moment. I suppose that has a lot to do with knowing you have a barn full of walkers and it's only a matter of time before they are discovered.
An interesting point made by a fellow forumer from MP's forum about Daryl. The entire conversation with Merle really does seem to be showing us the internal struggle going on inside Daryl. He needs the group the least....could easily survive on his own. He could arguably be the groups MVP as far as surviving goes (scavaging/protection)...but Rick calls the shots. Perhaps the ear necklace was/is his way of proclaiming that he's still not one of them...he's just there because. I'm wondering if it is beginning to bother him that he actually does 'care' about that group/Sofia more than he'd ever cared about or been cared about? I thought it was neat how Sofia's Mom reinforced to him while he lay in bed that he was every bit as good as Rick and Shane.
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Wonder if the old man is a nut just like the Dr. in the CDC.....the group has bad luck with meeting new people lol.....maybe he's trying to find a cure?
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Well at least I know something HAS to happen in the next episode.
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So they took this episode to show what I said a few weeks back about Rick and Shane being contrasts. :lol
I'm getting tired of both the farm and the Sophia thing so I hope this revelation at the end moves the plot along to another place that it's not where we've been for the past 3-4 weeks.
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I really hope daryl recovers quickly. He is one of my favorite characters by far.
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I can't wait for this next week's episode. Such a huge issue that needs addressing. :corn
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This episode was the best overall from the season so far. There have been great scenes in every episode, but this one was the first that was great beginning to end, I think. It felt like it had no sections which were there to drag it out to full length, or that were showing us something worthwhile but doing it too much at their own storytelling leisure (which, as much as it can be a good thing in some ways, is taking away too much of the pace and energy of the first season).
At the very least, we have a sure sign that the farm scenario is going somewhere quite interesting, and hopefully doing so quicker.
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I'm starting to wonder how long they'll be spending on the farm now. Will they finish out the rest of the season there? How long is the season supposed to last? Since the first season was so short, I don't really know what to expect, and in the grand scheme of things, that's good.
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How long is the season supposed to last?
13 episodes.
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How long is the season supposed to last?
13 episodes.
Then we still have a while. Thanks for the heads up.
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How long is the season supposed to last?
13 episodes.
FYI, there will be a break in December and January. The show then continues its run in Feburary.
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Not cool.
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How long is the season supposed to last?
13 episodes.
FYI, there will be a break in December and January. The show then continues its run in Feburary.
The fuck is that shit ?!
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It's probably intended so that we will sorta "forget" about the complaints so far, so that we will endure another 6-7 episodes on the farm in January. ;)
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I think that the whole "farm" scenario will have played out "finally" by this weeks episode. Since they intend to take a break over the "holiday" season (don't want to upset anyones sensibilities during this festive period ya know :\ ), I'm sure we'll be left with some type of crazy cliffhanger that keeps us waiting until they resume production in February. Thank God the farm is finally over, it's fast becoming "The Waltons meets The Night of the Living Dead".
GRAPHIC NOVEL SPOILER ALERT: (Although the show doesn't "exactly" follow the novel)
In the book they are kicked off the farm very, very early on after discovering the walkers in the barn, and killing most of them...seems the old man keeps his "turned" kinfolk in there cuz' it wouldn't be the Christian thing to do to kill them, and besides maybe someone will find a cure and "bring 'em back". Next stop is a maximum security prison, at the current pace, expect the next three seasons to take place there! :\
*END SPOILER* :)
The fact that the current shows administration has admitted to significantly paring down the buget, and the fact that they have decided to shoot "most" scenes now on a soundstage, really disheartens me here. I understand that Frank Darabount was a prima donna and hard to work with; and I get that the budget was outrageous; but find a way to keep the same formula. You'd almost forget this season that this is a show about surviving a zombie apocalypse. The last few episodes make me feel like they've just been tossing out occasional gratuitous zombies so we don't fall asleep while watching. I'm beginning to feel like we're all soon going to be like "Dug" from the movie "Up"; Whenever we see one we'll all shout "Zombie!" at our televisions.
The show still leads in it's time slot, so I'd expect alot more of the same. In fact the sole reason for the ridiculously campy, stupid, over hyped, live "post show" is because the powers that be knew we'd all be pissing and moaning; and airing that show is supposed to make us forget how bored were all fast becoming, and keep the fire alive. Instead of paying Patton Oswalts airfare (hell who am I kidding...cabfare), and picking up his dinner check to crackwise for 30 minutes, pay 50 bucks to an extra and slather some make-up on him!
I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. I also hope that Kirkman has some pull, and someone from the network wakes up and says, "Let's get back on track now, shall we?"
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Yeah this season is not living up to the hype at all. I'm actually really disappointed in it. I'm going to go yell at my friend who works over at AMC.
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I'm going to go yell at my friend who works over at AMC.
Tell him I said for you to kick his ass!! :lol
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The budget isn't outrageous. $3 million / episode (what it was before the cut; it's now $2.75 million) is reasonably cheap by cable standards. Breaking Bad costs $3.2 million / episode. Mad Men is probably around $3 million as well.
And then you have HBO, who dropped ~ $5 million for each episode of Deadwood, $6 million for each episode of Game of Thrones, nearly $10 million for each episode of Rome, $20 million just for the pilot of Boardwalk Empire, and over $200 million for the ten-part The Pacific.
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I'm going to go yell at my friend who works over at AMC.
Tell him I said for you to kick his ass!! :lol
Her ass! haha. She told me they are following the books for the most part though.
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The budget isn't outrageous. $3 million / episode (what it was before the cut; it's now $2.75 million) is reasonably cheap by cable standards. Breaking Bad costs $3.2 million / episode. Mad Men is probably around $3 million as well.
And then you have HBO, who dropped ~ $5 million for each episode of Deadwood, $6 million for each episode of Game of Thrones, nearly $10 million for each episode of Rome, $20 million just for the pilot of Boardwalk Empire, and over $200 million for the ten-part The Pacific.
What did Band of Brothers cost?
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The budget isn't outrageous. $3 million / episode (what it was before the cut; it's now $2.75 million) is reasonably cheap by cable standards. Breaking Bad costs $3.2 million / episode. Mad Men is probably around $3 million as well.
And then you have HBO, who dropped ~ $5 million for each episode of Deadwood, $6 million for each episode of Game of Thrones, nearly $10 million for each episode of Rome, $20 million just for the pilot of Boardwalk Empire, and over $200 million for the ten-part The Pacific.
What did Band of Brothers cost?
1 billion, gagillion, fafillion, shabolubalu million illion yillion ... yen.
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The budget isn't outrageous. $3 million / episode (what it was before the cut; it's now $2.75 million) is reasonably cheap by cable standards. Breaking Bad costs $3.2 million / episode. Mad Men is probably around $3 million as well.
And then you have HBO, who dropped ~ $5 million for each episode of Deadwood, $6 million for each episode of Game of Thrones, nearly $10 million for each episode of Rome, $20 million just for the pilot of Boardwalk Empire, and over $200 million for the ten-part The Pacific.
What did Band of Brothers cost?
Wikipedia says $125 million to make, and another $15 million of promotion for 10 episodes.
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is this the sequal when I rise from the ashes? casting off the stigma or Warned and Banned..to again walk amongst the living? ;)
oh wait that was Barbershop II
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Speculation as to who the next 'regualar' member of the group to get eaten/murdered...otherwise be gone from the show (other than flashbacks) will be? I don't know if he will be next but I envision Shane biting it at the expense of the group...meaning he sacrifices himself. I'd say the most irrelevant character at this point would be Sofia's mother. She could die and Rick/Lori would easily adopt her into the family. Dale and Glenn seem to provide most of the comic relief so I think they'd be safe.
My hope is that the writers don't settle in too much and we just have this 'safe' group of people and then 'the rest'. I know they knocked off Andrea's sister, Sofia's dad and that one skinny dude last year but since then this group has been relatively untouched other than Sofia disappearing. I'm expecting them to find her and have a happy ending. It'd be a better story if they'd just have her never found or find her and she'd be a walker. That'd be unexpected. I'm guessing they find her though.
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It would make much better TV if she was found as a walker and they had to decide what to do about it.
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It would make much better TV if she was found as a walker and they had to decide what to do about it.
It's dragged out for so long that the little girl walker at the opening of Season 1 episode 1 is in fact, Sophia.
DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNN
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Hmm I forgot about that scene. I don't think that scene has anything to do with the rest of the show though. Unless it depicts Rick between the Hospital and meeting the group sometime?
I'm pretty sure that girl couldn't be Sophia because they were different girls lol, but I'm not sure if you were even serious, I'm guessing not.
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Hmm I forgot about that scene. I don't think that scene has anything to do with the rest of the show though. Unless it depicts Rick between the Hospital and meeting the group sometime?
I'm pretty sure that girl couldn't be Sophia because they were different girls lol, but I'm not sure if you were even serious, I'm guessing not.
Nah, I wasn't serious.
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It would make much better TV if she was found as a walker and they had to decide what to do about it.
I hope they find her as a zombie and then I hope her mom tries to hug her or something.... Daughter infecting mother would be awesome. I bet Shane dies while somehow saving the girl.
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Because Zook requested it:
Eh, it all comes down to taste. I'm certainly not universally (or even mostly) negative about TV - I'm on record as saying that as a medium, television is far outstripping movies in terms of quality. There are a lot of great TV shows; The Walking Dead just isn't one of them, imo.
How would your ideal Walking Dead be? Post it in the season 2 thread. Give a summary of all the episodes, but how you would have had them play out. This is 40% of your final grade. This assignment is due tomorrow. Extra credit if you turn it in early. Good luck, class dismissed.
My ideal version of The Walking Dead is a clean slate. Group just kills each other or something, or zombies tear them to shreds, or they get food poisoning from uncooked chicken. Maybe Daryl survives, because he deserves it. Bad actors with bad accents get kicked to the curb.
Then the show goes on hiatus until the production and promotion of Breaking Bad ceases in July 2012. Vince Gilligan and the entire Breaking Bad writing and production crew gets transferred over. They come up with a new set of characters, and run from there, with no regard for the source material. It would be amazing.
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Finally caught up. The budget cuts show. This season is much less exploratory. It tends to help to watch a few episodes at a time, because as of now, very little happens with each one individually. I certainly am still enjoying it though. Its the only show I keep up with currently.
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Because Zook requested it:
Eh, it all comes down to taste. I'm certainly not universally (or even mostly) negative about TV - I'm on record as saying that as a medium, television is far outstripping movies in terms of quality. There are a lot of great TV shows; The Walking Dead just isn't one of them, imo.
How would your ideal Walking Dead be? Post it in the season 2 thread. Give a summary of all the episodes, but how you would have had them play out. This is 40% of your final grade. This assignment is due tomorrow. Extra credit if you turn it in early. Good luck, class dismissed.
My ideal version of The Walking Dead is a clean slate. Group just kills each other or something, or zombies tear them to shreds, or they get food poisoning from uncooked chicken. Maybe Daryl survives, because he deserves it. Bad actors with bad accents get kicked to the curb.
Then the show goes on hiatus until the production and promotion of Breaking Bad ceases in July 2012. Vince Gilligan and the entire Breaking Bad writing and production crew gets transferred over. They come up with a new set of characters, and run from there, with no regard for the source material. It would be amazing.
But I like the other characters... Well, some of them.
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Because Zook requested it:
Eh, it all comes down to taste. I'm certainly not universally (or even mostly) negative about TV - I'm on record as saying that as a medium, television is far outstripping movies in terms of quality. There are a lot of great TV shows; The Walking Dead just isn't one of them, imo.
How would your ideal Walking Dead be? Post it in the season 2 thread. Give a summary of all the episodes, but how you would have had them play out. This is 40% of your final grade. This assignment is due tomorrow. Extra credit if you turn it in early. Good luck, class dismissed.
My ideal version of The Walking Dead is a clean slate. Group just kills each other or something, or zombies tear them to shreds, or they get food poisoning from uncooked chicken. Maybe Daryl survives, because he deserves it. Bad actors with bad accents get kicked to the curb.
Then the show goes on hiatus until the production and promotion of Breaking Bad ceases in July 2012. Vince Gilligan and the entire Breaking Bad writing and production crew gets transferred over. They come up with a new set of characters, and run from there, with no regard for the source material. It would be amazing.
But I like the other characters... Well, some of them.
Isn't that the point of a show like this? To have characters you like, dislike and represent the gray?
If everyone was instantly likable all the time, you'd have Friends.
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I wasn't the biggest fan of Phoebe.
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Because Zook requested it:
Eh, it all comes down to taste. I'm certainly not universally (or even mostly) negative about TV - I'm on record as saying that as a medium, television is far outstripping movies in terms of quality. There are a lot of great TV shows; The Walking Dead just isn't one of them, imo.
How would your ideal Walking Dead be? Post it in the season 2 thread. Give a summary of all the episodes, but how you would have had them play out. This is 40% of your final grade. This assignment is due tomorrow. Extra credit if you turn it in early. Good luck, class dismissed.
My ideal version of The Walking Dead is a clean slate. Group just kills each other or something, or zombies tear them to shreds, or they get food poisoning from uncooked chicken. Maybe Daryl survives, because he deserves it. Bad actors with bad accents get kicked to the curb.
Then the show goes on hiatus until the production and promotion of Breaking Bad ceases in July 2012. Vince Gilligan and the entire Breaking Bad writing and production crew gets transferred over. They come up with a new set of characters, and run from there, with no regard for the source material. It would be amazing.
But I like the other characters... Well, some of them.
Isn't that the point of a show like this? To have characters you like, dislike and represent the gray?
If everyone was instantly likable all the time, you'd have Friends.
There's a difference between "good" characters - ones that are morally upright - and good characters, that are well written, have coherent motivations, are provided good dialogue, and are well performed.
The Walking Dead is just absolutely blown away in quality by its network-mates Mad Men and Breaking Bad. The depth of characterization and the excellent storytelling makes them infinitely more compelling regardless of whether you've got zombies walking around. The latter has the two best written and best performed characters on TV, and they're far from what would be considered "good."
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Those other shows have a few years on TWD. Give it time. If in three year we're still having this conversation, then I'll side with you :P
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I was watching the latest episode for a second time last night, and a thought came to mind. Before Carl got shot, that entire episode heavily emphasized on god, especially Rick's prayer for a sign being followed up with the shooting. Maybe this entire farm ordeal was part of gods answer to Rick, kind of fucked up, but still the help Rick needed. Like, maybe Carl needed to be shot in order for the group to find the farm, which in turn will lead to the finding of the little girl. It wouldn't surprise me if there was some underlying nugget there that many may overlook.
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Those other shows have a few years on TWD. Give it time. If in three year we're still having this conversation, then I'll side with you :P
Some dramas up their game, I suppose. Breaking Bad went from very good, to fantastic, to second-best TV drama in history from seasons 1-3. Justified went from a very good quasi-procedural to an excellent serialized drama from seasons 1 to 2.
But I just don't see the same promise in The Walking Dead. It's lacking an excellent lead character (and actor) the other shows built around. There hasn't been anything approaching the quality of the pilot. It is incoherent in its characterization and pacing.
I could completely be wrong, but it would take a massive uptick in quality for The Walking Dead to match its network-mates. It's possible, I suppose. Justified provides a good rubric: focus on the most interesting characters, marginalize the others, provide a compelling season-long plot arc which changes the way they interact.
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Those other shows have a few years on TWD. Give it time. If in three year we're still having this conversation, then I'll side with you :P
Some dramas up their game, I suppose. Breaking Bad went from very good, to fantastic, to second-best TV drama in history from seasons 1-3. Justified went from a very good quasi-procedural to an excellent serialized drama from seasons 1 to 2.
But I just don't see the same promise in The Walking Dead. It's lacking an excellent lead character (and actor) the other shows built around. There hasn't been anything approaching the quality of the pilot. It is incoherent in its characterization and pacing.
I could completely be wrong, but it would take a massive uptick in quality for The Walking Dead to match its network-mates. It's possible, I suppose. Justified provides a good rubric: focus on the most interesting characters, marginalize the others, provide a compelling season-long plot arc which changes the way they interact.
I like the fact that there isn't really a main character. All the characters (with the exception of Rick and Lori, maybe) are on a level playing field. They can all be killed off at any time and not have a huge impact on the plot or cast. I like that suspense of not being certain whether or not someone is safe. Last episode when Daryl had the zombie ripping apart his shoe, I was caught completely off guard. I assumed he couldn't be killed off, and in the span of a second I was convinced he was doomed.
In terms of this season being slow, it may not have a huge impact on the series as a whole. Prison Break was one of my favorite seires of all time. Season 1 was amazing and the beginning of 2 was great. The end of season 2 and the first half of season three were pretty boring, but were crucial in the plot development later on.
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Those other shows have a few years on TWD. Give it time. If in three year we're still having this conversation, then I'll side with you :P
Some dramas up their game, I suppose. Breaking Bad went from very good, to fantastic, to second-best TV drama in history from seasons 1-3. Justified went from a very good quasi-procedural to an excellent serialized drama from seasons 1 to 2.
But I just don't see the same promise in The Walking Dead. It's lacking an excellent lead character (and actor) the other shows built around. There hasn't been anything approaching the quality of the pilot. It is incoherent in its characterization and pacing.
I could completely be wrong, but it would take a massive uptick in quality for The Walking Dead to match its network-mates. It's possible, I suppose. Justified provides a good rubric: focus on the most interesting characters, marginalize the others, provide a compelling season-long plot arc which changes the way they interact.
I like the fact that there isn't really a main character. All the characters (with the exception of Rick and Lori, maybe) are on a level playing field. They can all be killed off at any time and not have a huge impact on the plot or cast. I like that suspense of not being certain whether or not someone is safe. Last episode when Daryl had the zombie ripping apart his shoe, I was caught completely off guard. I assumed he couldn't be killed off, and in the span of a second I was convinced he was doomed.
Not having a lead character would be all well and good if there was a strong ensemble. The problem is, the supporting characters suck. The show doesn't have a female character worth a fig, the only person who ever acts like he has a head on his shoulders is Daryl, and the characters in general aren't deep enough or written well enough to make any dramatic stuff the writers attempt anything more than melodrama.
The Wire this ain't.
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I appreciate the fact that the series is taking a 'realistic' approach at what life would be like in that apocalyptic scenario. I like the fact that they essentially are going day to day...not weeks or months having taken place between each episode. Sure that can get a bit 'boring' but I disagree that the characters suck. I am not expecting (early) DeNero or Pachino performances here. Besides, I think that all of the actors/actresses have done an above average job. There have been scenes where I could 'feel' thier emotion. It's not thier fault if the writing could use improvment, but I haven't been too disappointed with that aspect either. I guess some of us have higer standards than others. All I ask from the programs I watch is that I stay interested, I am entertained and intrigued. TWD covers that for me.
Sure I'd love a good Dawn of the Dead type episode where it's nothing but running, chasing, killing and so on, but I understand that now that they've been granted a third season that they are 'setting' things up. If it is true that they are going to a soundstage shoot for the majority of upcoming episodes then I envision that may give them more of a chance to throw 'adventure' episodes at us.
The only thing I ask out of the remainder of the season is that at least one of the 'regular' group members get killed/die. Just to keep things honest. I'd prefer it not to be Daryl....but ANY other character is open to me.
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I'm hugely critical of the writing and acting in TV shows. Until recently, I probably could have named all the shows I would like to someday own on one hand, because for years, I found television so bad, I barely bothered to watch anything at all.
I have no major problems with the writing or acting on the Walking Dead. The dialogue is a bit kitschy at times, but none of the things that make almost all TV completely unwatchable to me are present, or at least certainly not to a damaging extent (constant oh-so-hip one liners and similar completely predictable/bullshit dialogue devices, mini-plots for each episode which are completely inconsequential to the overall story arch, artificial as fuck cliffhangers inserted at the expense of the quality of the story, the general feeling that they're dragging out threads in the plot to a point far beyond necessary and desperately spreading their material as thin as possible to get as many episodes and seasons in as they can on a limited number of characters and resulting limited number of feasible relationships, tensions, situations, again, completely at the expense of a well-written plot, etc), and I think they're doing a good job of sketching out so many characters in a reasonable amount of depth without making it feel obligatory or like it's weighing the show down. And there have only been a few characters that I felt were significantly poorly acted in this show. The black woman (T-Dog's wife?) in the first season was bad. The sister killed off in 1.4 was average. And I can't think of any others. The acting here is light years beyond most television, IMO.
Maybe I have such abysmally low expectations of TV shows that this show seems better to me than it is, but if that is the case, I don't really care, because at the end of the day, I like it.
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FL, have you seen many other cable TV dramas? Because it's a whole other level of quality. AMC, for example, has aired six scripted dramas. The Walking Dead is probably fourth or fifth in terms of quality. I haven't decided whether Hell on Wheels is going to pull it together.
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Oh, I acknowledge there will be better shows out there than this which I haven't seen because I've been turned off from TV for so long. I know the names people throw around (Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Deadwood, The Wire), and I was recently fortunate enough to catch five episodes of Boardwalk Empire in a row. But I really can't see them numbering very highly. I've seen people refer to a golden age in television between those several cable channels, and this is the fourth or fifth best show at the moment? Is that really that bad?
Also, one inexcusable wtf moment in this show which people have mentioned and I agree on was the "if we get this zombie out of the well, we can drink the water again" thing. Forgot about that one in my last post.
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The Walking Dead isn't the fourth or fifth best show at the moment. I said it was the fourth or fifth best show (out of six) that AMC has created. This list is from 2010 (https://www.avclub.com/articles/the-25-best-television-series-of-2010,49229/), but it shows the sheer amount of quality on television right now. You'll notice a certain show is missing (though it did make the consolation list (https://www.avclub.com/articles/best-tv-2010-part-two-45-standout-episodes-from-se,49277/)).
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I haven't decided whether Hell on Wheels is going to pull it together.
Same here. I want it to work and am giving it a good shot...but.....
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Pig...We get it. You don't like the Walking Dead. Many of us do. Sorry we don't share the same enlightened tastes of television drama that you do, but we get the point. It's not "BreakingDexi-Just-LostMen" or whatever. Here's a surprise...many of us really like this show, and hope it survives. And yes, we've all seen those other shows, and still feel that way. You don't have to come in here and shit all over the show or try and make everyone feel like they've been living in a cardboard box their entire lives.
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If it's TV or movies, GP has a better opinion than you.
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Because Zook requested it:
Eh, it all comes down to taste. I'm certainly not universally (or even mostly) negative about TV - I'm on record as saying that as a medium, television is far outstripping movies in terms of quality. There are a lot of great TV shows; The Walking Dead just isn't one of them, imo.
How would your ideal Walking Dead be? Post it in the season 2 thread. Give a summary of all the episodes, but how you would have had them play out. This is 40% of your final grade. This assignment is due tomorrow. Extra credit if you turn it in early. Good luck, class dismissed.
My ideal version of The Walking Dead is a clean slate. Group just kills each other or something, or zombies tear them to shreds, or they get food poisoning from uncooked chicken. Maybe Daryl survives, because he deserves it. Bad actors with bad accents get kicked to the curb.
That doesn't really cut it. Same characters, same plot, just what differences would you make with the existing story to make it better starting with Episode 1.
Example: Rick should have done this instead of that and so on. And no need to mention the well scene, because I'm pretty sure everyone on earth thought that scene was retarded.
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If it's TV or movies, GP has a better opinion than you.
Really Dimitirus?? What are you the president of his fan club or something?? :lol
Last time I checked everyone is entitled to an opinion, but coming in to a thread that's clearly a discussion for people who are watching the 2nd season of the show, and basically telling those people they don't know real entertainment is not really good form IN MY OPINION.
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Your sarcasm meter is broke, Tempus.
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Your sarcasm meter is broke, Tempus.
:\ Hmmm...Sarcasm? Your sarcasm detector seems broken to me. :biggrin:
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I don't know, it's branded ACME. Is that a good brand?
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Probably better than mine. I got my sarcasm meter at Hammacher Schlemmer...or was it the Tinder Box at the mall? Either one, I think I probably overpaid for it.
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Example: Rick should have done this instead of that and so on. And no need to mention the well scene, because I'm pretty sure everyone on earth thought that scene was retarded.
I may be taking this comment out of context or something, but I actually thought the well scene was particularly interesting. I could see me and a group of people doing the exact same thing in a similar situation.
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What? The well scene was pretty horrible. They sent one of their own down into the well for no reason. No one was going to drink that water. Who in their right mind would drink water that a bleeding zombie has been in for god knows how long? That whole scene was silly. The only point to it, is that it was apparently foreshadowing what is about to happen on the farm.
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I guess my friends and I would be stupid enough to try to salvage whatever available water we could... which is what I think that scene was.
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They said right before that that the farm has 5 wells, so why would anyone care if ONE had a zombie in it? It was just stupid.
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What? The well scene was pretty horrible. They sent one of their own down into the well for no reason. No one was going to drink that water. Who in their right mind would drink water that a bleeding zombie has been in for god knows how long? That whole scene was silly. The only point to it, is that it was apparently foreshadowing what is about to happen on the farm.
For as silly and pointless as it was to try and salvage a well where a walker had been bathing for a month or whatever....that scene actually did reveal something. We saw the farmers daughter get very upset at the brutal killing of the walker....and Glenn mistakenly took her being that upset as her not being used to the brutality of the killing or even having to kill. When in all likelyhood she was upset because she knew who that man was. Maybe it was her dad or uncle or something.
Even though some of the scenes are a bit less exciting and memorable than others, I have to think that the majority of the scenes 'mean' something....even if it is merely a tid bit.
Exept for that scene where Dale ventures off by himself up the highway for a moment. It was about a 10 second scene and meant nothing.
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What? The well scene was pretty horrible. They sent one of their own down into the well for no reason. No one was going to drink that water. Who in their right mind would drink water that a bleeding zombie has been in for god knows how long? That whole scene was silly. The only point to it, is that it was apparently foreshadowing what is about to happen on the farm.
It was an excuse for a scare and a great special effect. I'm content with the enjoyment I got out of it.
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I actually think the well scene was a gratuitous attempt tp add some gore and suspense to an otherwise pretty stagnant episode. The logic involved in the "fishing" excercise was pretty ridiculous. I mean, you could tell me we filtered that water 600,000 times and boiled it on the surface of the sun, and I would NEVER drink or bathe in it. Ever. Now, if someone had said, "Animals seem to be immune to the illness, so we need to fish this walker out so we have a water source for the horses to drink", then I would have bought it. The fact that they seemed to think that the water would be okay so long as no blood was spilled from the trapped deader made NO sense to me, and actually distracted from the episode for me a little. It seemed like that bit of writing was done hastily and without much thought. It wouldn't be a logical action for survivors of the zombie uprising to make.
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I actually think the well scene was a gratuitous attempt tp add some gore and suspense to an otherwise pretty stagnant episode. The logic involved in the "fishing" excercise was pretty ridiculous. I mean, you could tell me we filtered that water 600,000 times and boiled it on the surface of the sun, and I would NEVER drink or bathe in it. Ever. Now, if someone had said, "Animals seem to be immune to the illness, so we need to fish this walker out so we have a water source for the horses to drink", then I would have bought it. The fact that they seemed to think that the water would be okay so long as no blood was spilled from the trapped deader made NO sense to me, and actually distracted from the episode for me a little. It seemed like that bit of writing was done hastily and without much thought. It wouldn't be a logical action for survivors of the zombie uprising to make.
This exactly. Them thinking the water would have been drinkable has been really bugging me since watching the episode. Each episode seems to introduce something that doesn't logically make sense, such as the zombies in the barn making no attempt to break through the door or any noise what so ever, and it really, really annoys me to see that the farmhouse has full electricity and warm running water. This is driving me crazy. It makes it very hard for me to suspend my disbelief.
This is supposed to be a zombie apocalypse and it feels like they are on holiday in the countryside.
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Because Zook requested it:
Eh, it all comes down to taste. I'm certainly not universally (or even mostly) negative about TV - I'm on record as saying that as a medium, television is far outstripping movies in terms of quality. There are a lot of great TV shows; The Walking Dead just isn't one of them, imo.
How would your ideal Walking Dead be? Post it in the season 2 thread. Give a summary of all the episodes, but how you would have had them play out. This is 40% of your final grade. This assignment is due tomorrow. Extra credit if you turn it in early. Good luck, class dismissed.
My ideal version of The Walking Dead is a clean slate. Group just kills each other or something, or zombies tear them to shreds, or they get food poisoning from uncooked chicken. Maybe Daryl survives, because he deserves it. Bad actors with bad accents get kicked to the curb.
That doesn't really cut it. Same characters, same plot, just what differences would you make with the existing story to make it better starting with Episode 1.
Example: Rick should have done this instead of that and so on. And no need to mention the well scene, because I'm pretty sure everyone on earth thought that scene was retarded.
Why the same characters? The characters (and the dialogue) are the worst part of it. The reason people complain about "slow" episodes is because the writers don't have the ability to drive episodes solely by developments within the group itself.
My complaints about the plot are a distant third when compared to the dialogue and characters. Yeah, sure, there are some pretty obvious stalling tactics thrown in, but they wouldn't be so galling if the writers could delay well. Plenty of shows utilize them. Yeah, there are some contrivances (TempusVox just outlined a pretty obvious one) and a couple of baffling decisions, but overall the plot isn't what's pulling things down.
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@Phoenix87x --Well I can see them having a generator on the farm, or even wind power for that matter. Most farms have something like this. But as I've said before, it seems were trying to show us a walker this season only as a means to keep us going. I really can't wait until the farm scenario is finally played out. I think we'll see this go on for two more episodes, sadly.
I still love the show, and the premise and the possibilities that still exist, and I'm still really, really hopeful.
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@Phoenix87x --Well I can see them having a generator on the farm, or even wind power for that matter. Most farms have something like this. But as I've said before, it seems were trying to show us a walker this season only as a means to keep us going. I really can't wait until the farm scenario is finally played out. I think we'll see this go on for two more episodes, sadly.
I still love the show, and the premise and the possibilities that still exist, and I'm still really, really hopeful.
That's true, I didn't really consider them having a generation. But it makes sense, considering how isolated the farm is.
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The Walking Dead isn't the fourth or fifth best show at the moment. I said it was the fourth or fifth best show (out of six) that AMC has created. This list is from 2010 (https://www.avclub.com/articles/the-25-best-television-series-of-2010,49229/), but it shows the sheer amount of quality on television right now. You'll notice a certain show is missing (though it did make the consolation list (https://www.avclub.com/articles/best-tv-2010-part-two-45-standout-episodes-from-se,49277/)).
Those lists just highlight how badly I'm not a TV person, and wouldn't be even if I tried to. From the seventy shows on those two lists, there are maybe five shows I've seen and like, and five shows I haven't seen which I would consider watching. The rest don't sound remotely interesting, or I've seen and not enjoyed.
I've had the same problem with movies in the last few years. From this entire year, I've seen two movies (Paul, which was average at best, and Kung Fu Panda 2, because my flatmate wanted to see it; it was okay for what it was), and I know of all of two others I want to see, Contagion and The Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Not a single other film I've seen the shorts of or even heard of sounds like it would appeal to me. I'm sure a few others are out there, and I'll probably hear about them during awards season, but I can't see my personal list topping ten movies, and it'll probably end up closer to five.
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I'm sort of that way with movies. I just went to the first movie I've seen in theaters in almost a year and a half, just because it was free.
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Exept for that scene where Dale ventures off by himself up the highway for a moment. It was about a 10 second scene and meant nothing.
That little snippet stood out to me as fairly pointless as well, and even then, I felt the point was it was supposed to show that Dale is worried about Andrea going off out of his sight in her recent state/mindset and he's waiting for them to get back. It just didn't really do so, not until you really sat back and thought "why did they want to include those twenty seconds of Dale walking along a highway?"
Them thinking the water would have been drinkable has been really bugging me since watching the episode. Each episode seems to introduce something that doesn't logically make sense, such as the zombies in the barn making no attempt to break through the door or any noise what so ever, and it really, really annoys me to see that the farmhouse has full electricity and warm running water. This is driving me crazy. It makes it very hard for me to suspend my disbelief.
This is supposed to be a zombie apocalypse and it feels like they are on holiday in the countryside.
This occurred to me too. They could try to explain it away yet, we've only just been shown the walkers in the barn, but they'd have to have a damn good explanation for it.
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I've been to the theater 20 times this year and have gotten my money's worth. You guys aught to allow yourselves to be entertained once in a while.
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Eh. I think TV is far superior. As average as I think the The Walking Dead is, I can't say I've seen a horror movie in the past five years that's been better. The funniest film I've seen in the last couple of years has been about as funny as an average episode of my favourite TV comedies.
I just wish TV shows had higher budgets. That's really the only area movies have a big advantage in, imo.
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Each episode seems to introduce something that doesn't logically make sense, such as the zombies in the barn making no attempt to break through the door or any noise what so ever, and it really, really annoys me to see that the farmhouse has full electricity and warm running water. This is driving me crazy. It makes it very hard for me to suspend my disbelief.
This is supposed to be a zombie apocalypse and it feels like they are on holiday in the countryside.
This occurred to me too. They could try to explain it away yet, we've only just been shown the walkers in the barn, but they'd have to have a damn good explanation for it.
They have a generator. Remember in the latest episode the old man was lecturing Rick about taking the young kid out and that one of his horses was missing? Well during that he was fueling and working on some kind of old machine. The show emphasized on him flipping the switch, and when it started I knew right away it was a generator.
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Eh. I think TV is far superior. As average as I think the The Walking Dead is, I can't say I've seen a horror movie in the past five years that's been better. The funniest film I've seen in the last couple of years has been about as funny as an average episode of my favourite TV comedies.
I just wish TV shows had higher budgets. That's really the only area movies have a big advantage in, imo.
If only Avatar was a television show... #dreaming
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Who would want to follow Avatar? The lame 2 hour movie was enough, people are complaining about The Walking Dead's script and dialogue, I don't even want to think about how Avatar would be. :(
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You haven't met Chino before, have you?
He adores Pocahontas, I mean Fern Gully, I mean Dances with Wolves, FUCK! I mean Avatar, there!
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I hadn't watched anything of season 2 yet (and read any more then the first page of this thread) and am currently catching up. Watching episode 4 as we speak. There have indeed been some stupid decisions by characters but overall I still like the series so far. Shane is a douchebag but I can see why he did what he did.
For some reason the racist redneck dude is the most likeable character this season (and the old guy). But that might also be because a crossbow is totally badass.
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I hadn't watched anything of season 2 yet (and read any more then the first page of this thread) and am currently catching up. Watching episode 4 as we speak. There have indeed been some stupid decisions by characters but overall I still like the series so far. Shane is a douchebag but I can see why he did what he did.
For some reason the racist redneck dude is the most likeable character this season (and the old guy). But that might also be because a crossbow is totally badass.
I never thought of him as racist.
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He had some tendencies in the first episodes, but the racist caricature of the show was Merle. I hate that character.
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I hadn't watched anything of season 2 yet (and read any more then the first page of this thread) and am currently catching up. Watching episode 4 as we speak. There have indeed been some stupid decisions by characters but overall I still like the series so far. Shane is a douchebag but I can see why he did what he did.
For some reason the racist redneck dude is the most likeable character this season (and the old guy). But that might also be because a crossbow is totally badass.
I never thought of him as racist.
He has the logo of the SS tattoo'd on his arm...
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I hadn't watched anything of season 2 yet (and read any more then the first page of this thread) and am currently catching up. Watching episode 4 as we speak. There have indeed been some stupid decisions by characters but overall I still like the series so far. Shane is a douchebag but I can see why he did what he did.
For some reason the racist redneck dude is the most likeable character this season (and the old guy). But that might also be because a crossbow is totally badass.
I never thought of him as racist.
He has the logo of the SS tattoo'd on his arm...
O wait, I think I might have remembered it wrong. It might have been on the bike (which is Merle's).
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Just watched the most recent episode. It was kinda... boring. I don't need action scenes to be interested but when the most important thing going on is someone secretly being present and two other people secretly having sex it's not really that interesting. Daryll getting shot and the fake Meryll was pretty meh, glad he made it though.
The end promises some more action in the next episode, so I guess that's good. I'm getting a bit tired of this whole 'find the missing girl' thing.
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Each episode seems to introduce something that doesn't logically make sense, such as the zombies in the barn making no attempt to break through the door or any noise what so ever, and it really, really annoys me to see that the farmhouse has full electricity and warm running water. This is driving me crazy. It makes it very hard for me to suspend my disbelief.
This is supposed to be a zombie apocalypse and it feels like they are on holiday in the countryside.
This occurred to me too. They could try to explain it away yet, we've only just been shown the walkers in the barn, but they'd have to have a damn good explanation for it.
They have a generator. Remember in the latest episode the old man was lecturing Rick about taking the young kid out and that one of his horses was missing? Well during that he was fueling and working on some kind of old machine. The show emphasized on him flipping the switch, and when it started I knew right away it was a generator.
Huh? I have no issues with the electricity. That wasn't the part I bolded.
There are, what, twenty, thirty zombies walking around in that barn, they're apparently attracted to noise, they can hear all the people (and a generator creating a huge racket) outside all day, and they don't try to investigate? Or let's say they do come up to the door, and can't get out because it's locked, then the entire group has been milling around that farmyard for three, four days now, and no-one has glanced in the direction of the mysterious barn or walked up close to it and noticed a barn door shaking or heard a peep from it?
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Each episode seems to introduce something that doesn't logically make sense, such as the zombies in the barn making no attempt to break through the door or any noise what so ever, and it really, really annoys me to see that the farmhouse has full electricity and warm running water. This is driving me crazy. It makes it very hard for me to suspend my disbelief.
This is supposed to be a zombie apocalypse and it feels like they are on holiday in the countryside.
This occurred to me too. They could try to explain it away yet, we've only just been shown the walkers in the barn, but they'd have to have a damn good explanation for it.
They have a generator. Remember in the latest episode the old man was lecturing Rick about taking the young kid out and that one of his horses was missing? Well during that he was fueling and working on some kind of old machine. The show emphasized on him flipping the switch, and when it started I knew right away it was a generator.
Huh? I have no issues with the electricity. That wasn't the part I bolded.
There are, what, twenty, thirty zombies walking around in that barn, they're apparently attracted to noise, they can hear all the people (and a generator creating a huge racket) outside all day, and they don't try to investigate? Or let's say they do come up to the door, and can't get out because it's locked, then the entire group has been milling around that farmyard for three, four days now, and no-one has glanced in the direction of the mysterious barn or walked up close to it and noticed a barn door shaking or heard a peep from it?
Simple. The plot hasn't called for it.
Can anyone tell me how long it took the gang to discover the zombie barn in the comics?
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It took them a couple of days at least. Of course we don't know for sure because time isn't real time in that world either. It was dicovered by accident.
*SPOILER*
In the comic we are led to believe that most of those people are the family members of those on the farm and Virgil doesn't want to kill them because A) As a Christian he doesn't belive in it, and most notably, B) He believes someone will find a cure someday. Most of our fearless crew kill them, and Virgil snaps and orders them to leave.
Of course the entire farm segment happens in PART of one edition. :biggrin:
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Well they have to fill 42 minutes, and I'm sure if they followed the time frame of the comic, there would be complaints of them moving along too quickly or something.
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Each episode seems to introduce something that doesn't logically make sense, such as the zombies in the barn making no attempt to break through the door or any noise what so ever, and it really, really annoys me to see that the farmhouse has full electricity and warm running water. This is driving me crazy. It makes it very hard for me to suspend my disbelief.
This is supposed to be a zombie apocalypse and it feels like they are on holiday in the countryside.
This occurred to me too. They could try to explain it away yet, we've only just been shown the walkers in the barn, but they'd have to have a damn good explanation for it.
They have a generator. Remember in the latest episode the old man was lecturing Rick about taking the young kid out and that one of his horses was missing? Well during that he was fueling and working on some kind of old machine. The show emphasized on him flipping the switch, and when it started I knew right away it was a generator.
Huh? I have no issues with the electricity. That wasn't the part I bolded.
There are, what, twenty, thirty zombies walking around in that barn, they're apparently attracted to noise, they can hear all the people (and a generator creating a huge racket) outside all day, and they don't try to investigate? Or let's say they do come up to the door, and can't get out because it's locked, then the entire group has been milling around that farmyard for three, four days now, and no-one has glanced in the direction of the mysterious barn or walked up close to it and noticed a barn door shaking or heard a peep from it?
Wasnt the group ordered to stay away from the barn? We never saw it during the day (or at all for that matter), who knows, maybe during the day it is obvious that they are in there. I could swear I remember Shane making a brief comment about not knowing what the deal with the barn was. Regardless, I'm really excited for tonight episode.
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Yes, Virgil told Rick to stay away when he offered to have them stay by the barn to keep out of the way.
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New episode was a bit better then some others this season, but still not as good as the best ones in S1.
I find it interesting how they have now been on the farm for 6 episodes (as long as the whole first season was), and it's just pretty laughable if you look at how many things happened during the first, and how little is happening now.
It almost feels like a "To live on a farm - zombie edition"-show now, there are a few interesting things happen, but it's very easy to forget about the zombies actually existing, cause it's just so peaceful at times. :P
There are a few things that bugged me, for starters... a few episodes ago, they were all for saving ammo, they even went melee-style before shooting, to save bullets.
Now it's like "hey let the children shoot randomly" which not only is a waste of ammo, but also a possible attraction for walkers.
Yeah I know that it's good if the children learns how to use a gun, but there must be a better way of doing it.
Seeing as the episode lacked Darryl (yeah he was in like one scene), I must say that Shane is probably the most interesting character for me to follow right now.
He's being painted like a big psycho, which I think is pretty wrong. If anything, Shane is one of the few characters that I feel acts rationally, what he did to Otis may be a dick-move, but it's a harsh and cold reality when lives are at stake.
The fact that he wants to move on and not stay for Sophia, that's also a good point, he said something to Rick like "when we were cops, we gave them 48 hours of search before we gave up, and that was before the world went mad" (something like that), and he has a valid point, they are searching for one girl, which might in the end be a risk for all of them.
Seeing as next episode is the last before the big break, I really hope for something spectacular.
I really want an episode with a cliffhanger that leaves me pining for the next episode, if they can manage that, I'm happy! :tup
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I find it interesting how they have now been on the farm for 6 episodes (as long as the whole first season was), and it's just pretty laughable if you look at how many things happened during the first, and how little is happening now.
It almost feels like a "To live on a farm - zombie edition"-show now, there are a few interesting things happen, but it's very easy to forget about the zombies actually existing, cause it's just so peaceful at times. :P
This completely.
And why did Shane and Andrea have to drive like a mile away for the "advanced" course. They couldn't tie a log to a tree near the farm. I'm sure Shane wanted privacy, but that's a huge farm. This is still a zombie apocalypse and I think it would be wiser to ration the fuel, and that goes for the farm house also. I'm really curious how much fuel Hershel even has.
I don't know, maybe he's saving the walkers in the barn so he can hook them up to a mouse-wheel generator or something.
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a few episodes ago, they were all for saving ammo, they even went melee-style before shooting, to save bullets.
Now it's like "hey let the children shoot randomly" which not only is a waste of ammo, but also a possible attraction for walkers.
This really bothered me as well. Complete waste of ammunition. What's the good in learning how to shoot a weapon if you have no bullets?
Other than that I liked the episode. I like the fact that Rick 'knew' about Shane and Lori before she even admitted to it and now seemingly they should be able to move forward with thier marriage. I thought the writers did a good job with Lori's delima whether or not to keep the baby....and that both arguments for and against hold merit. Every cry could attract a walker....the food....anyone who has raised a child knows how difficult it is, and then you throw the world they are living in into the equation....even Dale was speechless when Lori begged him to give her hope.
The Shane/Dale showdown was funny to me. Like Shane told Dale, if he is the man Dale thinks he is....whats to stop him from slitting Dales throat as he sleeps or just dragging him off and killing him? Dale was a bit ambitious with that speech...but ballsy as well.
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The fact that the farm situation has now played out another entire episode is really starting to piss me off. The show is perilously close to losing my attention now. I've tried to determine if my feelings are because of the pace of the comic, and that's not it. Actually, its the pace the series set in season one. I realize Frank D's departure and the budget cuts have had a dramtic impact on the show, but hell..it's REALLY beginning to show in the script. Even the moribund "Talking Dead" is beginning to look like a used car sales trick in the way it keeps trying too hard to sell this crap. Perhaps the entire thing is dragging out because the action will be so intense once they leave, that we'll all be missing those dog days on the farm even more because our tensions will be so high for these characters. I kind of doubt it though. Lori is also REALLY on my last nerve as well. I hope she gets it soon. :biggrin:
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She got it on last night's episode. :hat
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I'm trying to remain patient and holding out hope that this farm saga in the end will play an important role in the overall scenario and story. My big issues with this season are the 'realistic' details. Carl being out of bed and mobile mere days after taking a fragmented high velocity shell to the gut is extremely hard to believe. The kid should have been dead by the time Rick ran him to the farm.
And I cannot buy that a half an hour...maybe 30 or 40 rounds of practicing suddenly turned Andrea into Calamity Jane. (I hated that issue in LOST as well where everyone suddenly shot weapons like they were former members of a Navy Seal team or something) Even the BEST shooting SWAT team members/military/Police Officers only hit thier target, much less difficult moving head shots, 30% of the time. I don't even like the fact they have Shane and Rick pegged as some sort of Sharp Shooting snipers. They were small town Police Officers who would likely suffer from the same hit to miss ratio as the rest of their peers nation wide.
I think I'll be able to stomach the remainder of this farm era....with the hopes that by seasons end they will be up and on thier way. Like I said, I just hope that all of this background and seed planting they are doing with the characters has an eventual payoff.
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The fact that the farm situation has now played out another entire episode is really starting to piss me off. The show is perilously close to losing my attention now.
Lori is also REALLY on my last nerve as well. I hope she gets it soon. :biggrin:
This times a million.
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Finally the cat's are getting out of the bag. The Lori/Rick showdown at the end was well done, although I feel like her admitting to the thing with Shane went over a little bit too easy. But I guess in this world, the only thing that really matters are who you care about. You need to change from your conventional way of thinking.
The Shane/Dale showdown was a little crazy to me. I feel like that was waaaaaaay out of Dale's character to confront Shane like that. Dale knows first hand how helpful Shane has been to the group. And Shane went all psycho on him, but probably just to convince him that he wouldn't hurt anyone unless he really wanted or needed to. Also he's jelly that he banged Andrea lolz.
Overall probably the best episode of the season so far. Great Glen zombie kill in that episode. And I like that Maggie sees a lot of potential in him. Hope it makes Glen stop being such a pushover. I'd be real pissed if Glen got killed.
I predict now that the next person to die from the group is going to be T-dawg. He's basically not in any episodes anymore. They aren't developing his character for shit. He's going to die soon.
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I'm still enjoying the show despite some of the flaws that everyone has been pointing out. I really do hope for something crazy in the next episode to keep me entertained until the big break is over.
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Yes, Virgil told Rick to stay away when he offered to have them stay by the barn to keep out of the way.
Ah okay, I do faintly recall this now. That does help. And this episode, we did see that the barn is a bit of a distance from the farmhouse. It is still a bit of a stretch of belief that the zombies aren't desperately clawing to get out considering the noise everyone makes every day, but I guess I can live with it.
There must be some big change coming in the next episode. If not, I think even I will start to be a bit disappointed, and I seem to have not been as miffed about the pace as most people.
I'm personally yet to have any real gripes with the fact that they've been on that farm quite a while, and there are no (well, few) zombies in it. A lot is going on between the characters. I like the fact that they're taking the time to explore the relationships between so many, and open them up to us. And I don't really mind that they've taken the zombies largely out of the equation while they do it. It's about the people surviving in the post-apocalyptic landscape before it's about the zombies, after all.
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I'm still enjoying the show despite some of the flaws that everyone has been pointing out. I really do hope for something crazy in the next episode to keep me entertained until the big break is over.
I'd wager on a fairly large cliffhanger. I don't think the airing of this season (13 episodes, which is standard for a cable show, aired in groups of 8 and 5) would've been structured in that way otherwise. It would've probably been split in two (maybe market research shows people like zombies less at Christmas), but the numbers would've been different.
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There must be some big change coming in the next episode. If not, I think even I will start to be a bit disappointed, and I seem to have not been as miffed about the pace as most people.
I predict they either find sophia and get off the farm, or sophia's mother dies while they are escaping from the farm after the zombies get out.
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Being that there is what appears to be a divide between Shane and Rick and how the group in general should be viewing and approaching the world they live in, I'm predicting that there is going to be a 'line in the sand' type moment. Who's side you on....where you going...something like that.
I am in the camp of getting this farm era over with as well. I get it and if it were 'real life' there is no way in heck I'm leaving that farm. Just wouldn't happen. I'd do whatever it took even if that meant eliminating the variables that weren't allowing that to happen. But being that this is a series and it needs to move on....let's get it rolling already.
I also think that Shane will be the next one to die. I can understand why the writers would want to keep him around due to how his character gives polarity to Rick, but I think that his character has run his course and has helped bring a lot of things to the surfact to be confronted and just as this is happening it'd be a great time for him to get killed/die or whatever before he completely falls from grace and is remembered as a total a$$hole. Him dying now would allow those who care for him to remember him how they'd choose.
It'd be kind of neat and unprecidented as well if they were to just give up on Sofia and we never really learn what happened to her. That'd be the most 'realistic' thing....but I have a feeling they will give us some sort of resolution one way or the other.
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Being that there is what appears to be a divide between Shane and Rick and how the group in general should be viewing and approaching the world they live in, I'm predicting that there is going to be a 'line in the sand' type moment. Who's side you on....where you going...something like that.
I am in the camp of getting this farm era over with as well. I get it and if it were 'real life' there is no way in heck I'm leaving that farm. Just wouldn't happen. I'd do whatever it took even if that meant eliminating the variables that weren't allowing that to happen. But being that this is a series and it needs to move on....let's get it rolling already.
I also think that Shane will be the next one to die. I can understand why the writers would want to keep him around due to how his character gives polarity to Rick, but I think that his character has run his course and has helped bring a lot of things to the surfact to be confronted and just as this is happening it'd be a great time for him to get killed/die or whatever before he completely falls from grace and is remembered as a total a$$hole. Him dying now would allow those who care for him to remember him how they'd choose.
It'd be kind of neat and unprecidented as well if they were to just give up on Sofia and we never really learn what happened to her. That'd be the most 'realistic' thing....but I have a feeling they will give us some sort of resolution one way or the other.
I'd also like to see them just give up on Sophia... better yet, have her mother call the search off. If that doesn't happen, I still think Shane is going to die in order to save her.
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For tonight's episode, I wouldn't be surprised if Shane just said "Rick, let's just take the farm" or something along those lines, since
he's been in this uber survival mode lately, after the Otis thing and wanting to call off the Sophia search.
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Guess for the next episode:
Group finds out about the walkers, and they somehow escape/or get released.
Sophia is one of the zombies. (I've thought about this for a while, might be completely off, but it's just a hunch.. wouldn't surprise me)
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Guess for the next episode:
Group finds out about the walkers, and they somehow escape/or get released.
Sophia is one of the zombies. (I've thought about this for a while, might be completely off, but it's just a hunch.. wouldn't surprise me)
I agree, I think it would tie in to what Hershel was saying about them still being people and the dilemma that Sophia's mom would have to face.
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Guess for the next episode:
Group finds out about the walkers, and they somehow escape/or get released.
Sophia is one of the zombies. (I've thought about this for a while, might be completely off, but it's just a hunch.. wouldn't surprise me)
Sophia being one of the walkers in the barn would be AWESOME and such a twist. Not only that she's a walker...but that Hershal has known the whole time they are looking for her and hasn't said a word. The timeline from her going missing and them finding the farm is tight though, she'd have had to been bit quick and darted for the barn to be 'caught'.
That barn full of walkers is just a time bomb waiting to explode, definately has to have something happen involving it. And I agree...there is some sort of Shane/Rick square off or major heart to heart coming.
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Guess for the next episode:
Group finds out about the walkers, and they somehow escape/or get released.
Sophia is one of the zombies. (I've thought about this for a while, might be completely off, but it's just a hunch.. wouldn't surprise me)
Wow!! That would be an AWESOME twist. I can see not only the despair for Rick and the others once the realization hits them that she's been as close to them as the barn all along, but the fact that she's now a walker and the fact that they would have to put her down now. That would be intense.
That type of twist might just divide the group. I can see the group split into two factions; one camp still siding with Rick, and the other following Shane, even though they all still stay together (for awhile) and do so under extreme stress and tension. That twist is almost cruel Zantera. What a deliciously twisted mind you have. Sounds like some shit I'd let sift through my filter. I love it! :biggrin:
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Guess for the next episode:
Group finds out about the walkers, and they somehow escape/or get released.
Sophia is one of the zombies. (I've thought about this for a while, might be completely off, but it's just a hunch.. wouldn't surprise me)
This is definitely what should happen.
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Mega Props to Zantera for calling it :metal
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That was soooo depressing.
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Good episode. This season is turning out much better than season one.
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Just watched the new episode... I haven't felt this depressed since I saw the ending of The Mist for the first time.
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Just watched the new episode... I haven't felt this depressed since I saw the ending of The Mist for the first time.
:lol :lol This wasn't quite the gut punch the ending to The Mist was designed to be.
It was awesome. The dynamic in the group is certain to now change. The power now shifts to Shane. Some like Andrea will follow him easily. Others reluctantly, and some (Dale, Lori) not at all. I think Daryl could go either way. He may be pissed they risked so much looking for Sophia. My thinking is the next part of the season will focus on the new group dynamic, and the way Shane struts his stuff, and shows how much of a loose cannon and real asshole he can really be. (until like in the comic Karl actually blows him the fuck away) .
Next stop is the prison. Hopefully they can meet back up with Morgan somewhere along the way.
Zantera called it! Good job! :metal The way they drug this whole bit at the farm out for so long, the ending of this chapter really shouldn't have ended any other way.
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Hi thread, I'm finally here and up to date!
Amazing show if I may say. So much fun.
Regarding the point someone mentioned about Hershel not telling them that a little girl in the barn; I'm watching The Talking Dead (the talk show that airs right after the episode) and Robert Kirkman said they established the fact that Otis did the job of detaining the walkers from the swamp and surrounding areas to put them in the barn. And since nobody really had a chance to have a talk with Otis about anything before he was killed; he never knew they were looking for a little girl and therefore he didn't mention it. Hershel didn't know she was in there. That whole point was covered from Hershel telling Rick that they now need to do the job Otis was doing; bringing the walkers to the barn.
Depressing end but I'm glad the episode didn't end with Rick pointing the gun at her head without shooting. The next episode is Feburary..
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Tempus...I think any 'power' that Shane had was neutered the second Rick stepped up and shot Sofia. He did ' what had to be done' when it was clear no one else was going to. Rick solidified again why he is the 'leader' and that group will respond to that.
Great episode in the fact that 'the groups entire argument is and was that walkers are not people, but the second Sofia popped out of there they suddenly found themselves in Hershals groups shoes.
Shane has indeed lost his mind, but yet makes perfect sense when you look at that world in a bkack and white way, its just not bkack and white. and the foreshadowing of young Carl ultimately being the one that is going to 'stop' him is getting thick. Definayely can see him shooting Shane to save himself or someone else from Shanes 'survival' methods.
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Am I really the only one who thinks that season 2 has been boring as hell o_O
For me it feels like it hasn't really progressed anywhere.
IMO the first season was about surviving against world full of zombies and Second season is about one of main characters secret pregnancy and asian kid falling in love :-\
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Adastra....season 2 has clearly been less action but I've enjoyed the character building they've undertook. Sure I'd like a bit more action but I like 'learning' a out these characters and seeing how they portray people in a defunct world.
Before Guinea hops in here and tells us all how horrible the acting is, :biggrin: I'd like to defend the actors/ actresses and say other than a few cheesy lines they were forced to speak they have been great. I'm not expecting Deniero and Streep out there. But I can buy in to thier characters so that's good enough for me.
I think the 'slow' first half and build up is going to pay off in the end anyway
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Maybe im "challenged" or something. The characters aren't that interesting, so for me it's painful to watch 6 episodes about their personal problems and stuff.
I wish they'd leave that damn house and try get to that Fort "something" .
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Greg Nicotero the special effects supervisor was on The Talking Dead and he mentioned something I found very interesting. They shot a version of the final scene where the girl playing Sofia walks out of the barn with minimal zombie make up and give the other characters the impression she's okay for a moment before she looks into the sun and reveals and deep neck bite and the blood running down her back. Pretty interesting and I'm glad they shot that version cause then there's a chance it will be on the BluRay/DVD extras.
I think any 'power' that Shane had was neutered the second Rick stepped up and shot Sofia. He did ' what had to be done' when it was clear no one else was going to. Rick solidified again why he is the 'leader' and that group will respond to that.
That's true, Robert Kirkman was asked something along these lines on the talk show and he said that Rick stepping up and shooting Sofia was "Definitely a character defining moment".
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Why does the next episode have to air in February? This wait is going to suck... :sadpanda:
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Hell yeah. :biggrin:
Sucks that next episode won't be until February, but honestly.. they have to leave that farm now.
I don't think the lack of action is the biggest problem, it's the lack of things happening at all. When they're in the same environment for 7 episodes, it does get a bit "dull", because the viewers are starting to learn the 'routine', even if new things happen in each episode.
What I liked about the first season was that there were new places in almost each episode, and I was often wondering "what will happen next?" because it was harder to figure out.
The only thing missing now to make S2 completely dull is to spend the remaining 6 (?) episodes focusing on everyone at the farm (Rick and the gang staying) to mourn Sophia, and talk about god, the will to live, "have to stay strong", "have to find power within ourselves" and all that again. :P
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I wish I hadn't read the spoiler for this episode a week ago, but I wasn't sure what I was reading was real anyway. That being said, I can't wait to see this episode.
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Just watched the new episode... I haven't felt this depressed since I saw the ending of The Mist for the first time.
:lol :lol This wasn't quite the gut punch the ending to The Mist was designed to be.
Idk... but I had so many thoughts and emotions all rush through me in an instant. I'm just going to bullet point these out because I don't have a lot of time to try and word it all fancy and formally.
- When Shane started losing his cool (before he let the walkers out), Dayle was no where to be found. Shane had left him in the woods with this rifle. The entire time I was certain that Dayle was going to snipe him down from a distance.
- I didn't even know what to think when he started unloading on the Zombie Hershall was transporting. When Shane started going off on how he would do anything to survive, I thought he was going to shoot Hershall and take the farm... he had no problem doing it with Otis.
- Rick yelled to Shane "Don't do this brother". This really showed what kind of guy Rick is. Even when the guy who banged his wife is about to put the entire group in danger, he still showed him respect and signs of friendship.
- When the lock was broken, and the walkers did get out, I was expecting a wave of zombies. I was anticipating at least one person getting killed. When I figured out that it was just going to be target practice, my heart kind of sank. Not in a dissapointed I didn't get bloodshed kind of way, but just an overall feel bad kind of way.
- The look on Hershall's face was very sad. He knew no matter what he did from that moment on, he stood no chance at saving the walkers. His face didn't just show sadness (at least with me), it appeared to be kind of fearful. Hershall had it explained to him how it was much worse than he thought. After seeing Shane unloading on the girl walker, and the fact that five or six people were willing to pick them all off one by one without even thinking about it, made him realize that maybe they were right. I think Hershall finally understood the scope of what was going on.
- Glenn asking permission from *forgot her name, Grace?* really showed that he cares about her, and her giving him the go ahead really means she's changed a lot too... at least in the way she views the world now.
- I honestly didn't expect Sophia to walk out of the barn. The thought had crossed my mind, but I didn't think that was going to happen. In an instant everything froze. The opinions, viewpoints, and emotions from all the individuals involved all came smashing together in an instant. The anticipation of what would happen to sophia was killing me. I thought maybe Hershall would have killed her, just to kind of rub it in the faces of everyone for killing his family, but then I remembered that religous stuff his daughter was talking about. I was almost certain Daryl was going to put her down. After all, he had more time invested in her search than anyone else. I was glad Rick did it because it shows that Shane will not be the one in control when the season returns. I felt terrible when Lori grabbed Carl's head and said "don't watch". The kid had already seen all kinds of death, including people he was close to, but the fact he couldn't bare to watch that made me feel really sorry for him.
All that said, I can't wait for the show to pick back up next year. I hope it literally picks up where it left off, I want to see Hershall get off his knees and go from there.
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Just watched the new episode... I haven't felt this depressed since I saw the ending of The Mist for the first time.
:lol :lol This wasn't quite the gut punch the ending to The Mist was designed to be.
Idk... but I had so many thoughts and emotions all rush through me in an instant. I'm just going to bullet point these out because I don't have a lot of time to try and word it all fancy and formally.
- When Shane started losing his cool (before he let the walkers out), Dayle was no where to be found. Shane had left him in the woods with this rifle. The entire time I was certain that Dayle was going to snipe him down from a distance.
- I didn't even know what to think when he started unloading on the Zombie Hershall was transporting. When Shane started going off on how he would do anything to survive, I thought he was going to shoot Hershall and take the farm... he had no problem doing it with Otis.
- Rick yelled to Shane "Don't do this brother". This really showed what kind of guy Rick is. Even when the guy who banged his wife is about to put the entire group in danger, he still showed him respect and signs of friendship.
- When the lock was broken, and the walkers did get out, I was expecting a wave of zombies. I was anticipating at least one person getting killed. When I figured out that it was just going to be target practice, my heart kind of sank. Not in a dissapointed I didn't get bloodshed kind of way, but just an overall feel bad kind of way.
- The look on Hershall's face was very sad. He knew no matter what he did from that moment on, he stood no chance at saving the walkers. His face didn't just show sadness (at least with me), it appeared to be kind of fearful. Hershall had it explained to him how it was much worse than he thought. After seeing Shane unloading on the girl walker, and the fact that five or six people were willing to pick them all off one by one without even thinking about it, made him realize that maybe they were right. I think Hershall finally understood the scope of what was going on.
- Glenn asking permission from *forgot her name, Grace?* really showed that he cares about her, and her giving him the go ahead really means she's changed a lot too... at least in the way she views the world now.
- I honestly didn't expect Sophia to walk out of the barn. The thought had crossed my mind, but I didn't think that was going to happen. In an instant everything froze. The opinions, viewpoints, and emotions from all the individuals involved all came smashing together in an instant. The anticipation of what would happen to sophia was killing me. I thought maybe Hershall would have killed her, just to kind of rub it in the faces of everyone for killing his family, but then I remembered that religous stuff his daughter was talking about. I was almost certain Daryl was going to put her down. After all, he had more time invested in her search than anyone else. I was glad Rick did it because it shows that Shane will not be the one in control when the season returns. I felt terrible when Lori grabbed Carl's head and said "don't watch". The kid had already seen all kinds of death, including people he was close to, but the fact he couldn't bare to watch that made me feel really sorry for him.
All that said, I can't wait for the show to pick back up next year. I hope it literally picks up where it left off, I want to see Hershall get off his knees and go from there.
Good post Chino...was feeling a lot of the same things. However, when Dale wasn't with Shane I thought that maybe Shane had killed him. Lori holding Carl and telling him not to watch was a tough thing to watch. Poor little fella. Imagine if he were to live to be 30-40 years old in that world? By that time his humanity is either destroyed or kept deep in hibernation only to be tapped and used in either the most dire of situations or the most tender of moments.
I can understand how some people aren't satisfied with this season....and I think that it has a lot to do with what one's expectation for the series is. I am still enjoying the series and think that this mid season finale was perfect timing and a perfectly set up by this more or less un-eventful first half. Pretty sure when the season is viewed as a whole though it will be a killer season.
And Chino...I saw a scene from the next episode while watching 'Hell on Wheels' right after TWD and it appears that the next episode picks up right where it left off so you may get your wish.
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Once the episodes pick back up, it's going to be interesting to see how everyone reacts to what just happened and how their exit of the farm actually happens. Also, what will happen to Hershel and his family? Too many questions, but a good mid-season finale for us to want more over the holiday season.
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One thing I did want to see that will never happen now.....how in the heck were they going to get the walkers into the barn without letting the rest of them out? Seems very risky.
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One thing I did want to see that will never happen now.....how in the heck were they going to get the walkers into the barn without letting the rest of them out? Seems very risky.
Perhaps the way Glenn got in.
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One thing I did want to see that will never happen now.....how in the heck were they going to get the walkers into the barn without letting the rest of them out? Seems very risky.
Perhaps the way Glenn got in.
That's what I was thinking.
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One thing I did want to see that will never happen now.....how in the heck were they going to get the walkers into the barn without letting the rest of them out? Seems very risky.
Perhaps the way Glenn got in.
That's what I was thinking.
But didn't he have to climb up a ladder? Or was it stairs? Staris I can see but climbing a ladder doesn't make much sense.
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Maybe one person attracts their attention at the main entrance, and the other person goes to the back entrance?
That's how I thought at least.
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Fuck that was intense.
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Maybe one person attracts their attention at the main entrance, and the other person goes to the back entrance?
That's how I thought at least.
That makes perfect sense. I guess for those guys 'on the farm' this type of repeated russian roulette each time they captured and caged up a 'walker' didn't seem dangerous. Those that have witnessed what a group of these things could do certainly knew just how big a time bomb that barn was and would become.
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Those last 10-15 minutes were very, very intense! I got goosebumps when Rick walked up and took out his gun to shoot Sophia, finally doing "what had to be done", so I'm with the one who said any power Shane had got neutered in that moment.
Also, Glen dropping a Portal reference = WIN!
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I agree that the barn would become more and more dangerous, but if we look at the facts, the walkers only really tried to break out when things happened outside.
Seeing as it's sorta on the side (not in the way), being a bit deserted from the house, I don't think there was a high risk that they would try to break out, unless they felt human presence right outside.
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I agree that the barn would become more and more dangerous, but if we look at the facts, the walkers only really tried to break out when things happened outside.
Seeing as it's sorta on the side (not in the way), being a bit deserted from the house, I don't think there was a high risk that they would try to break out, unless they felt human presence right outside.
I know this is all speculation...but it's fun....I was thinking more along the lines of in the moments when they introduced new captives to the barn, that would be the most dangerous obviously and sooner or later either due to a build-up of walkers or just complacancy....something would give and the next thing you know that farm is swarmed with 20-30 walkers. Shane though his actions were out of line and not 'proper'...was exactly right in his vein of thinking. Just handled it wrong. In fact, his entire problem is the way he's handling things and trying to either force them or isn't communicating them properly. The ideas and suggestions themselves aren't the issue...they are dead on considering the world they live in....but I think the writers have done a good job in showing what the stress of that world..an innocent murder on your concience...and having things you love and care for taken from you in an instance (either when Rick showed back up and the utter hostility of that world)..where Shane is at as a character probably isn't far off from where a great deal of 'regular' people would be. Right on the brink of going absolutely crazy..just barely holding it together...for the sake of things and people who don't show any appreciation.
That dude is going to explode!!
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Even if Otis was the zombie wrangler that brought them into the barn, there's still loose ends and timeline issues.
OK, so Sophia was there the entire time right? And OK, so Otis was the zombie wrangler. And OK, so Glenn didn't see them when he first saw the barn, understandably freaking out about the whole "barn full of zombies" deal, BUT he wasn't the only one who went to them to feed them chicken. We know of at least one other person who brought the zombies "food" since Rick and the gang has been there. Everyone in Hershel's farm had to know about the hunt for Sophia, wouldn't Patricia at least mention to Hershel or Rick that there was a little girl in the barn? Yes, this would've wrecked the whole dramatic effect of seeing her at the end of the episode had, but still.
As for the timeline, how did Sophia had time to go to all those places Daryl tracked her to, get bitten, die, become a zombie, be found by Otis and brought to the farm before Carl got shot?
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The timeline is a bit confusing I agree.
Honestly, I think it would have been more logical if Sophia managed to get to the farm herself (unbitten), but in the confusion and fear, she ended up inside the barn and got bitten there.
But if we're going after the story they have provided for us, my guess is that when she ran away from where Rick left her, she probably dropped her doll (not necessarily where Darryl found it, because the water could have carried it), and then ended up somewhere near the farm when the bite occurred.
The fastest way to turning would probably be if she got bitten, and then died right after, say that she was still being chased and fell down a hill (like Darryl) or something, then she could have died, and reanimated right afterwards.
While it is possible, it does not leave much of a gap for Otis to bring her in.
So yeah, while it is possible for the story to work anyway, it isn't really with much margin, and I don't think the result was very well thought through, possibly they had some other ideas in mind that didn't come to life in the series.
They did mention that they had plans on having a flashback where Otis sorta "fetched" Sophia with that animal snare-tool, but that it was scrapped from the script.
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As for the timeline, how did Sophia had time to go to all those places Daryl tracked her to, get bitten, die, become a zombie, be found by Otis and brought to the farm before Carl got shot?
Hmmm....what exactly was the timeline. Sophia goes missing, they look for her the rest of the day...return to highway that night. (1) night. The next day they get up early and look all day to no avail..return to highway that night (2) The next day they hear the church bells...go there...then from there Carl goes with Shane and Rick...gets shot...he gets taken to the farm.
So Otis would have had to find Sophia late the first night or he had a whole day where she would have been bitten...he found her while hunting or something. Otis never had the chance to tell anyone cuz he didn't even know they were looking for a little girl. I can see your point about Patricia..I guess she didn't really pay attention to who was in there cuz I doubt she'd have not said anything.
Is that timeline correct? Were they on the highway 2 nights?
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Even if Otis was the zombie wrangler that brought them into the barn, there's still loose ends and timeline issues.
OK, so Sophia was there the entire time right? And OK, so Otis was the zombie wrangler. And OK, so Glenn didn't see them when he first saw the barn, understandably freaking out about the whole "barn full of zombies" deal, BUT he wasn't the only one who went to them to feed them chicken. We know of at least one other person who brought the zombies "food" since Rick and the gang has been there. Everyone in Hershel's farm had to know about the hunt for Sophia, wouldn't Patricia at least mention to Hershel or Rick that there was a little girl in the barn? Yes, this would've wrecked the whole dramatic effect of seeing her at the end of the episode had, but still.
As for the timeline, how did Sophia had time to go to all those places Daryl tracked her to, get bitten, die, become a zombie, be found by Otis and brought to the farm before Carl got shot?
The only concrete evidence Daryl found was the doll in the river... No?
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No, they went to the church on the second day. She disappears when the herd comes, they look for her the rest of the night and return to the highway. The next day they're searching and hear the church bells.
@Chino: There was also the house he went to. Where he found like a mattress on a pantry.
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They did mention that they had plans on having a flashback where Otis sorta "fetched" Sophia with that animal snare-tool, but that it was scrapped from the script.
That would have helped timeline issues, but it would have ruined the whole "searching for Sophia" quest and the question as to where she may have been the whole time. I prefer the story the way it happened last night.
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They did mention that they had plans on having a flashback where Otis sorta "fetched" Sophia with that animal snare-tool, but that it was scrapped from the script.
That would have helped timeline issues, but it would have ruined the whole "searching for Sophia" quest and the question as to where she may have been the whole time. I prefer the story the way it happened last night.
They could do this by webisodes.
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No, they went to the church on the second day. She disappears when the herd comes, they look for her the rest of the night and return to the highway. The next day they're searching and hear the church bells.
@Chino: There was also the house he went to. Where he found like a mattress on a pantry.
But all he said was a girl could have fit in there. Had he found her shoe or something we could argue that she was there as well
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Well, we haven't seen an abundance of kids around so it's not like it's undeniable proof that it wasn't her either.
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Such an intense episode.....Hershall understands now, because not only did they shoot all of their family coming out of the barn, they killed one of their own group.
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God damnit, I caught up with the series just last week and now it's already time for a mid-season break? :(
Good episode though, I sort of saw it coming that Sophia would be in the barn but it still was an amazing scene.
Also, Glen dropping a Portal reference = WIN!
Yep. :lol
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God damnit, I caught up with the series just last week and now it's already time for a mid-season break? :(
Good episode though, I sort of saw it coming that Sophia would be in the barn but it still was an amazing scene.
Also, Glen dropping a Portal reference = WIN!
Yep. :lol
As soon as they killed most of the walkers and I heard some groaning coming from inside the barn, I just knew it had to be Sophia. That was such a dead give-away at that point, but the whole dramatic presentation of that was crazy. That ending was so crazy. :eek
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No, they went to the church on the second day. She disappears when the herd comes, they look for her the rest of the night and return to the highway. The next day they're searching and hear the church bells.
That is a pretty tight timeline. I guess the fact that they have shown (6) walkers in the forest shows that she could have easliy encountered a walker in the woods and been attacked that night I guess...
I mean..Otis is out hunting the next morning (presumably) he sees and captures her then heads back out to hunt again? Man that is a real thin timeline.
Unless it's like Zantera suggested...Sofia makes her way to the farm and ducks inside the barn real quick only to be swarmed and bitten by one of the captive walkers. I tell ya...that seems more logical at the moment than the very thin timeline that is out there.
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The last episode was so intense... I actually felt a bit upset afterwards, after the final scene.
When Shane confronted Dale in the forest, I was sure one of them was going to get killed by the other, but I can see now that Shane getting his guns back after an argument with Dale was just a build up for the scene with Hershel and Rick returning with the walkers. The part with Shane freaking out in front of the barn left me with such a heavy feeling, and the target practice with the walkers was actually quite hard to witness, especially when you saw the expression of mixed despair and fear on Hershel's face. Also, the way Shane just coldblooodedly went and undid everything Rick had tried to reach with Hershel, without a thought of anything else than just proving he was right, finally showed what a fanatic crazy he really has become. I was waiting for him to snap, but this surpassed my expectations.
I would say it is hard to tell how the dynamic will change from now on. I'm not convinced Hershel actually "understood", as some of you have put it. At the time when the massacre happened he was still convinced the walkers were people, and he got to see his wife, stepson and friends getting shot in the face while thinking so. But maybe the fact that he watched Rick killing Sophia, one of their own, will end up in him letting them stay around the farm. In any case, with the case of finding Sophia finally coming to an end, we're bound to see some dramatic changes.
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They did mention that they had plans on having a flashback where Otis sorta "fetched" Sophia with that animal snare-tool, but that it was scrapped from the script.
That would have helped timeline issues, but it would have ruined the whole "searching for Sophia" quest and the question as to where she may have been the whole time. I prefer the story the way it happened last night.
They could do this by webisodes.
Yeah Robert Kirkman hinted at that.
Even though the Sofia story is not confusing at all to me.
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I'm not saying the story is, but the timeline is.
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I'm not saying the story is, but the timeline is.
Yeah...you're looking at from maybe 7-10 hours of daylight for Otis to find Sophia. Maybe half day the first day (4 or 5 hours) of which she wasn't a zombie the entire time, and morning of the next. (4 or 5 hours) That's assuming Otis found Sophia early the second day...caught her....then got back out to hunt (which was over a mile away from the farm) in order to shoot Carl.
Pretty tight.
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The last episode was so intense... I actually felt a bit upset afterwards, after the final scene.
The part with Shane freaking out in front of the barn left me with such a heavy feeling, and the target practice with the walkers was actually quite hard to witness, especially when you saw the expression of mixed despair and fear on Hershel's face.
Seeing the expression on Hershel's face made me really upset. It really resonated with me and it was on my mind for the whole rest of the night.
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Wow that was the best episode of the series. Total redemption for the season. All the build up and waiting around was done perfectly to set this episode up. I have to just say it was fantastic work all around, from the writing to the acting and everything. This was the perfect culmination of all these tensions and build ups. I loved this episode. I was so happy for the show that Sophia was a walker. I am so glad they went that route. To me, that just upheld the integrity that the show has.
That final scene starting when Shane sees Rick coming out of the woods with Herschel until the end is so intense. The most resonating part for me is when shane started pumping rounds into the girl walker that Herschel was holding. Saying "Can someone who is alive take 3 rounds to the chest and still come at me" It was a perfect demonstration to show that these people are not human beings anymore. They are dead and moved on to being a beast. I thought that was so powerful. Then of course the Sophia reveal was brilliant. I mean, even Shane was like oh fuck.
Fantastic episode! Can't wait for the rest of the season!
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Did anybody see the sneak peak for the nest episode on the AMC website
https://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/the-walking-dead-sneak-peek-episode-208-nebraska
Possible Spoiler
Right after the barn incident, Hersel tells them to get off the farm immediately
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Not available in Finland.
Lame.
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I watched the new episode again last night. I think it would have been insane had Sophia walked out in the middle of the walkers coming out of the barn.
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Chino I watched it again last night too.
I wanna tell you something cause you're the only one here that ever hinted they know what Red Dead Redemption is. I started watching The Walking Dead at the same time I finally got the Undead Nightmare DLC package. I've been playing the game and watching the show so much this last week and as a result I didn't enjoy playing Uncharted 3 or watching the other T.V show Once Upon a Time yestserday cause they felt "way too pg-13" for me, hope that will wear off :lol
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Bitch! I've played RDR!
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Bitch I've asked if anyone here is a fan and no one responded heh
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As for the timeline, why is it so unplausible to think she was bitten right after Rick told her to get back to the highway? They lost her track not that far away. I think she was bitten very near there. We also know that they werent that far from the farmhouse, and that Otis was hunting in generally the same area they were searching. In fact, he could have found her and put her in the barn earlier in the day he shot the deer (and Karl). It doesn't take long at all for anyone to turn.
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I've never said it's unplausible, but it's an awfully tight timeline don't you think?
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As for the timeline, why is it so unplausible to think she was bitten right after Rick told her to get back to the highway? They lost her track not that far away. I think she was bitten very near there. We also know that they werent that far from the farmhouse, and that Otis was hunting in generally the same area they were searching. In fact, he could have found her and put her in the barn earlier in the day he shot the deer (and Karl). It doesn't take long at all for anyone to turn.
It's definately not implausible...it's just very boom..boom...boom....all the circumstances you've mentioned happening just as you mentioned. Seemed like a 'forced' and rapid timeline to me, that's all. Overall I am very pleased with the way the first half season has gone!
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Concern over the timeline paled in comparison to the mid-season finales payoff in the producers mind I'm sure. I still think this season drug on too long, even for that payoff.
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Caught up. This episode certainly gives me a better feeling for the season as a whole. Strangely, on another forum, someone has theorized that Sophia was in the barn. My feeling was they didn't have the sack to do it, so I'm glad to be proven wrong.
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This is just a thought I had, and I still don't like how slow the barn arc was from a viewers point of view, but I think it tells us a lot about ourselves. Most of us would side with Shane, cut our losses (Sophia) and get out of there. Shane may be a dick, but it's mostly because it's in contrast to people who are still holding out hope. He's a realist, and they can't take that.
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While Shane may be a realist, he's also crazy.
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This is just a thought I had, and I still don't like how slow the barn arc was from a viewers point of view, but I think it tells us a lot about ourselves. Most of us would side with Shane, cut our losses (Sophia) and get out of there. Shane may be a dick, but it's mostly because it's in contrast to people who are still holding out hope. He's a realist, and they can't take that.
Yes, but he's also a loose cannon making lots of bad decisions. I think the show is showing that neither extreme is the way to deal with the issue at hand.
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The problem with Shane is he doesn't look out for the group, he makes decisions for himself. While I agree we would all think to the extreme like him to some level, it is also important to maintain good relationships with those who are still alive. Let's face it, the odds of surviving are much better if in a group that is clear headed vs a group in which everyone hates each other.
I'm curious to see what come of Glenn's girlfriend. I highly doubt Hershall is going to leave the farm, I'm curious to see whether she stays with him, or if she goes with Glenn.
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Most of us would side with Shane, cut our losses (Sophia) and get out of there. Shane may be a dick, but it's mostly because it's in contrast to people who are still holding out hope. He's a realist, and they can't take that.
Yes, but he's also a loose cannon making lots of bad decisions. I think the show is showing that neither extreme is the way to deal with the issue at hand.
I think that I would most likely share Shane's sentiments...especially if I were protecting my wife and children. The problem with Shane isn't his line of thinking...it is actually a fairly logical way to approach that world. His issue is communicating his thoughts/ideas etc. in a more 'civil' way where the group would take his suggestions with more merit and thought.
I'd venture to say that what Shanes' character is going through is what a lot of people would go through had two people you had grown to love and care for been 'taken' from you in effect like Lori and Carl were....trying to hide those feelings....along with having an innocent mans murder on your concience and the only way to deal with it is to tell yoursefl over and over it was for the greater good....on top of just living in 'that' world.
He is holding it together by a thread and I don't see how the season ends without him completely losing it...I still think with the way they have structured he and Carls' scenes as of late (shane teaching Carl to shoot...telling Carl to protect his Mom...gettting tough with Carl when confronted about Sophia) its' all set up for Carl to kill Shane, bomst likely with that little .380 revolver Shane gave him.
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I think we are going to see him eventually just break down and start crying.
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All good points, and I don't think we would all do everything Shane has done. He is a loose cannon, but he also is just as frustrated as we are that we haven't left the farm yet.
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I think we are going to see him eventually just break down and start crying.
Nah, crying's for wimps. Shane is far to muscular for that.
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I think we are going to see him eventually just break down and start crying.
Nah, crying's for wimps. Shane is far to muscular for that.
If Ronni on Jersey Shore can cry, so can Shane.
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I think we are going to see him eventually just break down and start crying.
Nah, crying's for wimps. Shane is far to muscular for that.
If Ronni on Jersey Shore can cry, so can Shane.
Fuck Jersey Shore. >:(
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I still think with the way they have structured he and Carls' scenes as of late (shane teaching Carl to shoot...telling Carl to protect his Mom...gettting tough with Carl when confronted about Sophia) its' all set up for Carl to kill Shane, bomst likely with that little .380 revolver Shane gave him.
I feel I can post this since the show doesn't actually follow the comic per se.
But POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT DEAD AHEAD.......in the first comic (or maybe it's the second) Carl shoots him right between the eyes.
END POSSIBLE SPOILER
Shane has come unglued. He has been unglued nearly since this thing began. Back in the old world, Shane wanted to BE Rick. Thats totally obvious now. Shane covets what he admires the most.
Hannibal Lecter spoke of this in the Silence of the Lambs when he said in part to Clarice "... Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek? " He later goes on to tell her, "No! He covets. That is his nature. And how do we begin to covet, Clarice? Do we seek out things to covet? Make an effort to answer now.....We begin by coveting what we see every day."
When the shit hit the fan, Shane saw it as an opportunity NOT to help out Laurie and Carl, but to assume what he most wanted to be...Rick. Shane cannot come to grips with that in this world now that Rick has returned. When Rick was wasting away in the hospital, this was Shanes chance to reinvent himself and assume the role he always wanted. To be Rick. Now that Rick has returned he is squirming inside because he knows he can NEVER be the man Rick is. Shane has already done the most unforgiveable sin in this new wolrd. He fed another human being to the zombies. Since he cannot BE Rick, he's quickly becoming the anti-Rick. To make up for Ricks return he tells himself Rick is too weak. He takes too many chances. Do you recall in season one when Carols asshole husband got beat down by Shane? We saw some of the cracks begin to appear then. He beat the hell out of that guy, and it happened right on the heels of Ricks return when Rick went back for Merle. It was Shanes way of coping with his new world crumbling beneath him. Shane is a very dangerous, crazy mother fucker.
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I think we are going to see him eventually just break down and start crying.
Nah, crying's for wimps. Shane is far to muscular for that.
If Ronni on Jersey Shore can cry, so can Shane.
Fuck Jersey Shore. >:(
Jersey Shore is the pinnacle of television!!!
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I still think with the way they have structured he and Carls' scenes as of late (shane teaching Carl to shoot...telling Carl to protect his Mom...gettting tough with Carl when confronted about Sophia) its' all set up for Carl to kill Shane, bomst likely with that little .380 revolver Shane gave him.
I feel I can post this since the show doesn't actually follow the comic per se.
But POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT DEAD AHEAD.......in the first comic (or maybe it's the second) Carl shoots him right between the eyes.
END POSSIBLE SPOILER
Shane has come unglued. He has been unglued nearly since this thing began. Back in the old world, Shane wanted to BE Rick. Thats totally obvious now. Shane covets what he admires the most.
Hannibal Lecter spoke of this in the Silence of the Lambs when he said in part to Clarice "... Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek? " He later goes on to tell her, "No! He covets. That is his nature. And how do we begin to covet, Clarice? Do we seek out things to covet? Make an effort to answer now.....We begin by coveting what we see every day."
When the shit hit the fan, Shane saw it as an opportunity NOT to help out Laurie and Carl, but to assume what he most wanted to be...Rick. Shane cannot come to grips with that in this world now that Rick has returned. When Rick was wasting away in the hospital, this was Shanes chance to reinvent himself and assume the role he always wanted. To be Rick. Now that Rick has returned he is squirming inside because he knows he can NEVER be the man Rick is. Shane has already done the most unforgiveable sin in this new wolrd. He fed another human being to the zombies. Since he cannot BE Rick, he's quickly becoming the anti-Rick. To make up for Ricks return he tells himself Rick is too weak. He takes too many chances. Do you recall in season one when Carols asshole husband got beat down by Shane? We saw some of the cracks begin to appear then. He beat the hell out of that guy, and it happened right on the heels of Ricks return when Rick went back for Merle. It was Shanes way of coping with his new world crumbling beneath him. Shane is a very dangerous, crazy mother fucker.
WARNING.....COMMENTING ON SAID SPOILER FROM TEMPUS......
Perhaps had they stuck to the comics and had Carl shoot Shane before we really 'knew' Shane, it wouldn't have been taken very well. Now that we've been allowed to watch his deterioration and been witness to what he's become...if in fact Carl does eventually shoot and kill Shane...it'll be almost heroic in a sense, or at least be warranted in a way and allow Carl to escape any criticism or second guessing by anyone, and be easier on his concience.
And, I think your assesment of Shane is pretty much dead on and what most of us can see Shane as now. I really appreciate it actually how the writers have given us a look at the two types of people one could become in that world and at the same time tie it into a more personal and intricate story and releationship that is Shane/Rick and thier polarity. With the way they speak of the 'old' times and high school and what not it's not a far stretch to say that Shane may have wanted to 'be' Rick for most of his life...maybe he even followed him into Law Enforcement?
Totally dig the Silence of the Lambs reference as a supporting argument by the way!!! :tup
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Thanks again to MykeHavoc for the tip.
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That's really good looking! :omg:
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This baby came in the mail today:
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My pleasure dude! Glad you dig it. I bought the first release and don't have the burning to upgrade yet, even with all the tempting new features (commentaries, black and white pilot etc). All in good time though.
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Sexy as hell!!!
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Haven't seen the mid season finale but will this weekend. Season 2 is much less interesting than Season 1, watchable yes but quality pales in comparison. I think I'm stating the obvious for most people. A lot of things don't make sense and there's less walker action.
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Haven't seen the mid season finale but will this weekend. Season 2 is much less interesting than Season 1, watchable yes but quality pales in comparison. I think I'm stating the obvious for most people. A lot of things don't make sense and there's less walker action.
Comes down to budget. You can thank AMC for cutting their funds.
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The problem is the show's biggest strength is action, and its weakest the writing of its characters. A lack of forward momentum removes the former and puts the focus on the latter.
Cutting the budget by $250,000 an episode (about an 8% decrease) shouldn't result in a significant drop in quality of a TV show.
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The problem is the show's biggest strength is action, and its weakest the writing of its characters. A lack of forward momentum removes the former and puts the focus on the latter.
Cutting the budget by $250,000 an episode (about an 8% decrease) shouldn't result in a significant drop in quality of a TV show.
That's only scratching the surface. The showrunner was fired and plenty of hush hush behind the scenes nightmares have occurred. Simply put, there's more to it then just money. But when you're talking a quarter of a million dollars every week, which is likely it's makeup and prosthetic budget, it's not really surprising that this season has focused on drama more than horror.
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The problem is the show's biggest strength is action, and its weakest the writing of its characters. A lack of forward momentum removes the former and puts the focus on the latter.
Cutting the budget by $250,000 an episode (about an 8% decrease) shouldn't result in a significant drop in quality of a TV show.
That's only scratching the surface. The showrunner was fired and plenty of hush hush behind the scenes nightmares have occurred. Simply put, there's more to it then just money. But when you're talking a quarter of a million dollars every week, which is likely it's makeup and prosthetic budget, it's not really surprising that this season has focused on drama more than horror.
Don't forget the season 1 writing staff getting the boot.
The big difference (in terms of production) between The Walking Dead and AMC's other big dramas is that AMC produces The Walking Dead. They have complete control over artistic direction, production, budget, etc. And unlike HBO, who basically gives their showrunners free reign and the money they need, AMC's looking to pinch pennies on the entity it controls. They don't have control over Breaking Bad or Mad Men, which are both produced by other companies (Sony and Lionsgate respectively). They have the weight of four seasons each and critical acclaim (and awards) that dwarf The Walking Dead. AMC's attempts to cut costs on those shows resulted in well-publicized disputes, and so they turned on the show they could. Stupid and short-sighted. The whole idea with producing your own shows (in the HBO model) is that you reap the reward from the money you invest, because then you own the DVD sales, the streaming rights, the foreign market, etc. It's moronic to cut costs on a show that's doing so well and essentially has zero risk.
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About the BluRay: I've only had the chance to see the B&W pilot and a couple of features so far but the quality is amazing, much better that it was on T.V even though I watched the show on AMC HD.
The B&W pilot surprisingly takes on a life of it's own, a vibe even more sinister and morbid than the normal version and it was just so damn good.
I bought the first release and don't have the burning to upgrade yet, even with all the tempting new features (commentaries, black and white pilot etc). All in good time though.
Take your time as long as you have the episodes themselves in that unique BluRay quality, but yeah all the extra features you mentioned + the beautiful artwork and packaging makes the upgrade really worth it.
I only saw the first release wrapped at stores so I dunno what comes with it and which artwork they used for the discs and the inlay. Is it similar?
Haven't seen the mid season finale but will this weekend.
Then you definitely shouldn't be reading this thread, at least the last couple pages!
Season 2 is much less interesting than Season 1, watchable yes but quality pales in comparison. I think I'm stating the obvious for most people. A lot of things don't make sense and there's less walker action.
Comes down to budget. You can thank AMC for cutting their funds.
You look at season one and you really know this was not your average T.V show production budget. Hell HBO doesn't have anything that looks this expensive.
I wish they kept it up but it was inevitable. Losing Frank Darabont though was the worst part.
All I know is this is the best T.V show I've ever seen and I'm very interested in what the possibilities they have ahead, so I just need AMC suits to stay out of the way of the rest of the good minds running this show. Especially Greg Nicotero.
This is the first time I purchase a non-animated comedy T.V show on home video since Battlestar Galactica :lol
I would like them to make another pilot like production that tells a story of different people and shines a light on the period between the breakout of the disease until "the cameras stopped rolling", to use Rick's expression when he was talking to Hershel.
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The problem is the show's biggest strength is action, and its weakest the writing of its characters. A lack of forward momentum removes the former and puts the focus on the latter.
Cutting the budget by $250,000 an episode (about an 8% decrease) shouldn't result in a significant drop in quality of a TV show.
That's only scratching the surface. The showrunner was fired and plenty of hush hush behind the scenes nightmares have occurred. Simply put, there's more to it then just money. But when you're talking a quarter of a million dollars every week, which is likely it's makeup and prosthetic budget, it's not really surprising that this season has focused on drama more than horror.
Don't forget the season 1 writing staff getting the boot.
The big difference (in terms of production) between The Walking Dead and AMC's other big dramas is that AMC produces The Walking Dead. They have complete control over artistic direction, production, budget, etc. And unlike HBO, who basically gives their showrunners free reign and the money they need, AMC's looking to pinch pennies on the entity it controls. They don't have control over Breaking Bad or Mad Men, which are both produced by other companies (Sony and Lionsgate respectively). They have the weight of four seasons each and critical acclaim (and awards) that dwarf The Walking Dead. AMC's attempts to cut costs on those shows resulted in well-publicized disputes, and so they turned on the show they could. Stupid and short-sighted. The whole idea with producing your own shows (in the HBO model) is that you reap the reward from the money you invest, because then you own the DVD sales, the streaming rights, the foreign market, etc. It's moronic to cut costs on a show that's doing so well and essentially has zero risk.
All sound points. Completely agreed. I would be saddened if Walking Dead turns out to be one of those terrible snafu's that a network learns their mistake on i.e. Twin Peaks.
About the BluRay: I've only had the chance to see the B&W pilot and a couple of features so far but the quality is amazing, much better that it was on T.V even though I watched the show on AMC HD.
The B&W pilot surprisingly takes on a life of it's own, a vibe even more sinister and morbid than the normal version and it was just so damn good.
I bought the first release and don't have the burning to upgrade yet, even with all the tempting new features (commentaries, black and white pilot etc). All in good time though.
Take your time as long as you have the episodes themselves in that unique BluRay quality, but yeah all the extra features you mentioned + the beautiful artwork and packaging makes the upgrade really worth it.
I only saw the first release wrapped at stores so I dunno what comes with it and which artwork they used for the discs and the inlay. Is it similar?
Haven't seen the mid season finale but will this weekend.
Then you definitely shouldn't be reading this thread, at least the last couple pages!
Season 2 is much less interesting than Season 1, watchable yes but quality pales in comparison. I think I'm stating the obvious for most people. A lot of things don't make sense and there's less walker action.
Comes down to budget. You can thank AMC for cutting their funds.
You look at season one and you really know this was not your average T.V show production budget. Hell HBO doesn't have anything that looks this expensive.
I wish they kept it up but it was inevitable. Losing Frank Darabont though was the worst part.
All I know is this is the best T.V show I've ever seen and I'm very interested in what the possibilities they have ahead, so I just need AMC suits to stay out of the way of the rest of the good minds running this show. Especially Greg Nicotero.
This is the first time I purchase a non-animated comedy T.V show on home video since Battlestar Galactica :lol
I would like them to make another pilot like production that tells a story of different people and shines a light on the period between the breakout of the disease until "the cameras stopped rolling", to use Rick's expression when he was talking to Hershel.
The b&w version of The Mist is the best feature on the blu-ray. I don't watch it in color anymore. can only imagine how great the pilot looks.
The artwork and layout isn't nearly as nice, but it was a standard first pressing rush job to cash in. I imagine all the features were ported over on the new release, which were a few hours of featurettes. Nothing to complain about. It's a solid release. But if I find the new set for a good price and can trade in my old one (or give it to someone) then I'll certainly do so.
And if you think that looks great, to the right in this pic is the DVD edition:
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Greg's a great guy. Met him at the Rock and Shock convention a few years back and was real cool to talk to. Bought my Day of the Dead "The Dead Walk!" newsprint from him. I'm glad to see him stretch his wings and find some success. Seeing his EP credit each week is a testament to the hardwork he's put in over the last 25+ years for the genre.
Also Kurtman was saying on Talking Dead last week that flashbacks are always a possibility in future episodes, but I doubt we'll get anything in the Lost type vain, where half the show is flashbacks. I got so accustomed to it on that show though that now I sort of expect it on all shows I watch :P
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Yeah I've seen the "Don't open dead inside" version at Best Buy.. I actually like the one with the magnificent picture of the horse on the highway on the cover better, which is actually the most basic edition.
It's weird they didn't include the Bicycle Girl webisodes on the BluRay, unless the webisodes were shot long after everything season 1 was.
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Yeah I've seen the "Don't open dead inside" version at Best Buy.. I actually like the one with the magnificent picture of the horse on the highway on the cover better, which is actually the most basic edition.
It's weird they didn't include the Bicycle Girl webisodes on the BluRay, unless the webisodes were shot long after everything season 1 was.
Yeah, those are more a tie in for season 2, so they'll likely be on that set. And yes, I have said version. Still a strong set. I got it the day it came out for about 23 bucks.
Now the question is will they wait for season 2 to finish and release it as s whole, or will they split it up into 2 parts for a blu/dvd release? My guess was two lesser half releases and then the full thing in a special edition package with more stuff.
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Comes down to budget. You can thank AMC for cutting their funds.
You look at season one and you really know this was not your average T.V show production budget. Hell HBO doesn't have anything that looks this expensive.
I wish they kept it up but it was inevitable. Losing Frank Darabont though was the worst part.
All I know is this is the best T.V show I've ever seen and I'm very interested in what the possibilities they have ahead, so I just need AMC suits to stay out of the way of the rest of the good minds running this show. Especially Greg Nicotero.
This is the first time I purchase a non-animated comedy T.V show on home video since Battlestar Galactica :lol
I would like them to make another pilot like production that tells a story of different people and shines a light on the period between the breakout of the disease until "the cameras stopped rolling", to use Rick's expression when he was talking to Hershel.
Well, it actually is an average (or slightly above-average; it's tough to find numbers for many shows) TV budget for a cable drama.
At about $3 million an episode (for the first season, $2.75 million for the second), it is about the same as its network mates, Mad Men (now about $3 million), and a bit cheaper than Breaking Bad ($3.2 million).
And then once you get to HBO, you run into even bigger budgets. Generation Kill cost about $5.5 million per episode. Game of Thrones cost $6 million per episode. Boardwalk Empire spent about as much on the pilot episode as The Walking Dead did on its first season (~$18 million). Rome was the most expensive TV series ever, running about $11 million per episode. The Pacific totaled out with a budget of over $200 million for its ten episodes.
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So it's probably that the TWD people spent their pilot money really showing us where it went :)
I have said version. Still a strong set. I got it the day it came out for about 23 bucks.
I was about to get it on Black Friday but it was 40$ at best buy. You got a good deal!
Now the question is will they wait for season 2 to finish and release it as s whole, or will they split it up into 2 parts for a blu/dvd release? My guess was two lesser half releases and then the full thing in a special edition package with more stuff.
I'm gonna bet they'll wait til the season is over.
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So it's probably that the TWD people spent their pilot money really showing us where it went :)
They probably used it all on the half body corpse snappin' at Rick. Those were awesome effects.
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So it's probably that the TWD people spent their pilot money really showing us where it went :)
They probably used it all on the half body corpse snappin' at Rick. Those were awesome effects.
I met the actress. Nice lady! She was walking drunk to her hotel after the Rock and Shock convention and got lost, so I helped her find her way:
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... How'd you know it was her?
Oh there was a convention. So a Walking Dead panel then?
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It's Melissa Cowan. She has a facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Bicycle.Girl
This was from last year's convention. She was the only Walking Dead cast member there that I remember. This year we had the the little girl who played the first zombie shown in the pilot. Joe and Norman were supposed to come but bailed out to go to the NY comicon.
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A friend of mine made this. My friends and I thought it was hilarious how Glenn quickly spat it out in one sentence there are walkers in the barn and Lori is pregnant. Like it wasn't emotional at all he just went bam and it was done.
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Yeah it was the only thing that ever happened on the show that was funny.
That and every time Hershel said "The Asian boy" :D
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Hey, I have a question (And spoilers)
Why did Shane shoot Otis in the first place?
From the camera angle, there werent any zombies on their sides or in front of them, just behind them. And they were doing a pretty good job of keeping ahead of them, so I didnt think Shane needed to use him as bait/distration. Otis was keeping up just fine.
Also, why didnt he shoot him in the head instead of his leg. This way he wouldnt have to 1) Make him suffer, and 2) fight him/waste time trying to get the meds off him.
Just didnt really make sense to me (unless I missed something)
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Yeah, with the time they spent struggling, they both could have gotten away just fine. Maybe shane figured that by killing Otis, the Zombies wouldn't be interested anymore. How many Zombies do you see going after dead things?
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Yeah, with the time they spent struggling, they both could have gotten away just fine. Maybe shane figured that by killing Otis, the Zombies wouldn't be interested anymore. How many Zombies do you see go after dead things?
Ok, I get that part. That would make more sense why he shot him only in the leg.
But still, they seemed to be getting away fine; why shoot him in the first place?
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Because Shane is a psycho. At least he said sorry though, right? That counts... Right?
"Hey listen Otis. I just want to say I'm sorry I'm about to shoot you and feed you to walkers"
"Oh no, don't worry about it, man. Apology accepted."
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There are a few sound ideas. I'm sure Shane thought it would be easier to shoot him, take the stuff and run. But the reality of it is like any human being, he fought for his life and put up a struggle. More then he had anticipated. I'm sure after the fact, he regretted it...but it seemed like a good plan at the time :lol
Also...revenge for shooting Carl. In that moment, it computed in his brain that it was either him or Carl. And since Shane had assumed the father role and hadn't quite shaken it off since Rick's return, that was still ingrained in his brain. There was no choice for him, I suppose.
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Has potential.
https://walking-dead-comics.tumblr.com/
These sorts of things (like its inspiration, Breaking Bad Comics (https://breaking-bad-comics.tumblr.com/)) tend to have a pretty poor good:bad ratio, but most of the ones that are good are really funny.
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It was clear to me Shane had no other choice to do what he did to Otis. They were getting away slower and slower and the walkers were getting more excited as more of them can see the two alive humans in plain sight bleeding and sweating.
so as horrible and merciless as the idea to shoot Otis and leave him to be eaten alive was; there was no other choice as far as I see it.
PLUS it plays on the whole theme of how "this world changes you" and "It ain't what it was before", that theme is modeled by Shane, survival to the fittest and the heartless. Love him or hate him; Shane is the most realistic character on that show when it comes to human behavior imo.
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Volk9.....Page 3 of this thread has a few varying opinions of Shane's actions concerning Otis from a few people if you're interested. ;)
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Hey, I have a question (And spoilers)
Why did Shane shoot Otis in the first place?
From the camera angle, there werent any zombies on their sides or in front of them, just behind them. And they were doing a pretty good job of keeping ahead of them, so I didnt think Shane needed to use him as bait/distration. Otis was keeping up just fine.
Also, why didnt he shoot him in the head instead of his leg. This way he wouldnt have to 1) Make him suffer, and 2) fight him/waste time trying to get the meds off him.
Just didnt really make sense to me (unless I missed something)
I disagree that they were getting away fairly well. Also, keep in mind, depending on how "freshly dead" a walker is, some of them can move pretty damn fast. Be that as it may, Shane knew this, and knew that their chances were pretty slim. What was so profound is that at one point he was ready to give up, and Otis made him keep going. Then the switch that has come close to flipping in Shane actually flipped, and he took Otis out to save his own ass. Shane shot Otis in the leg because had he shot him in the head, he would have died and the walkers don't like dead meat.
What would be EXTREMELY BAD ASSED, would be in the next episode, they all actually come across the now zombiefied Otis, and everyone can see the gunshot wound in his leg. THAT would be AWESOME!! Expose that psycho Shane for everyone to see.
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What would be EXTREMELY BAD ASSED, would be in the next episode, they all actually come across the now zombiefied Otis, and everyone can see the gunshot wound in his leg. THAT would be AWESOME!! Expose that psycho Shane for everyone to see.
Now that sounds like an interesting idea! That's certainly back Shane into a corner where he'd most likely show his 'true' colors and there would be a major 'group' therapy session :lol
I agree with you...even thought the walkers weren't right on Shane and Otis' heels...those two weren't pulling away from that swarm and were losing ground. Plus, the walkers were popping up from every direction. Shane knew he had to mame Otis so he'd still scream and wiggle a bit to attract them and keep them occupied why Shane scampered off.
Again, I cannot say I wouldn't have done the same thing to save a kid I know and love...who knows how that world would make one think. It's the manner in which Shane is mentally deterorating and becoming a very real threat to the group that will end up being his demise IMO.
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I'm surprised no-one has said this yet, but...
If I was Rick, right after I shot Sophia, I would have turned around and shot Shane.
Friend or not, he crossed far too many lines, and has revealed himself as being probably a greater danger to the group than any group of walkers.
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If I was Rick, right after I shot Sophia, I would have turned around and shot Shane.
Friend or not, he crossed far too many lines, and has revealed himself as being probably a greater danger to the group than any group of walkers.
That may be the case about Shane but Rick still clings to doing things 'the right' way, and arbitrarily murdering Shane (which is how Rick would view what you suggest) would not even cross his mind.
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I didn't see Shane do anything that wasn't basic human nature. Deeply flawed, angry, self preserving and self loathing all in one. I can't hate that guy, he's actually the best character on the show and the only one that feels entirely real.
And the actor is doing a damn fine job too imo. Probably also the best on the show.
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Midseason finale was really good I'm so happy it wasn't stale otherwise I would have been pissed off. I knew Dale wouldn't be able to do anything to stop Shane. There's no way in my mind that one of those characters could have been killed off that early. Shane went absolutely nuts but I can understand his point of view. Great acting too.
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Jon Bernthal (Shane) was on Conan's show tonight. Very nice guy and the interview was pretty cool.
3 days fellas! Feb. 12 is the new episode :corn
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Jon Bernthal (Shane) was on Conan's show tonight. Very nice guy and the interview was pretty cool.
3 days fellas! Feb. 12 is the new episode :corn
WOOTY PATOOTY!
Braaaaiiiiiiiinnnns.
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To anyone who cares, heres some spoilers for the 2nd half of the season. I have my sources and can assure that they are true.
I repeat. **SPOILERS**
Shane dies. Rick kills Shane, then Carl shoots Zombified Shane. I've also heard stuff about Carol and/or Dale dying, but I cannot confrim that...(I hope Carol goes, tbh. I'm sick of her whining....)
The secret that Jenner told Rick at the end of Season 1 is revealed. You become a Zombie after dying even if you haven't been bit.
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Only 6 episodes left on the farm! :caffeine:
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Only 6 episodes left on the farm! :caffeine:
Yeah they need to get out of there!
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6 episodes is too much, I thought they'll be moving out this next episode.
Spoiler guys please be a little more careful :lol
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I actually have no idea of what's to come, but so far the season has been pretty easy to guess, so I don't expect them to leave until the last episode. ;)
At least we will probably get 6 more episodes with the whole "God give us strength", the whole pregnancy situation and they probably need 5 episodes to melt the whole drama from the last episode, that was more action then we've seen all season. :lol
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These are like Stockholm Syndrome smileys.
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An awesome ending makes up for an otherwise lackluster episode.
Those last 10 minutes just had me hanging on the edge of my seat in anticipation. The whole time I was thinking "Something's got to be done about these "tough guys" but will Rick has the strength to do it" and he hot damn did he take care of business. He handled the situation perfectly. He was calm, cool and collected and when the time came he did what needed to be done without hesitation, like a true leader. :hat
But I really just had to shake my head about Lori,
Lori- I'm gonna go save Rick, even though he doesn't need saving. Let me look at this complicated map while I'm driving rather then before I left. Oops, I wasn't paying attention and nearly killed myself. :facepalm:
So the first half of season 2 was looking for Sophia, while chilling on the farm and I really hope that the second half will not be looking for Lori while also chilling on the farm.
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Lori- I'm gonna go save Rick, even though he doesn't need saving. Let me look at this complicated map while I'm driving rather then before I left. Oops, I wasn't paying attention and nearly killed myself. :facepalm:
Women, am I right?
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The Lori accident part was so forced and such an obvious effort to create an extra problem to waste time on next episode. I mean Rick HAD JUST left to bring back Hershel, he didn't say he was going to hang out with him where's gonna find him.
Uneventful episode except for the little incident with the 2 punks at the end which was pretty cool, btw I went through the same thought process as Phoenix87x watching that scene :D
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This show is kind of like Dexter (though not as severe) in that besides one or two characters I hate pretty much despise the entire cast.
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I think the purpose of the roll over was to kill the baby on board.
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Lori- I'm gonna go save Rick, even though he doesn't need saving. Let me look at this complicated map while I'm driving rather then before I left. Oops, I wasn't paying attention and nearly killed myself. :facepalm:
Women, am I right?
Male script writers. Am I right?
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Lori- I'm gonna go save Rick, even though he doesn't need saving. Let me look at this complicated map while I'm driving rather then before I left. Oops, I wasn't paying attention and nearly killed myself. :facepalm:
Women, am I right?
Male script writers. Am I right?
Not sure why you felt the need to translate my sarcasm.
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I don't understand why Lori sped up and took her hands off the wheel after hitting the Zombie.
I really liked Rick shooting the two guys in the bar. I knew it was coming. You could tell he didn't want to do it by any means. Hell, he probably would have liked them to come, I can't see how larger numbers would hurt them on the farm. I think the only reason he did it was to gain the trust of Hershall. I'm hoping Hershall was too drunk to remember because I really don't want another 6 episodes on the farm.
I'm also really glad that the episode picked up literally right where it left off. There was no down time at all. I feel like someone has to die soon though. Not to be racist, but I don't think it an be T-dog, the show would get shit if it killed the one black guy. Shane is the antagonist, so he can't get killed off. Rick, Lori, and Carl have to live because there needs to be that family element. Dayle is a likely candidate, but he's the peace maker. Glenn can't go because of his new lady friend. Daryl could possibly get killed, but I feel like he's too badass. If he goes, I think it will be by sacrifice. The blonde one (forgot her name, can't go because she's Shane's new booty call. Sophia's mom seems like the logical choice to me. She doesn't bring anything to the table, and has nothing to live for anymore.
I'm really curious as to how they exit the farm when the time comes. They can't take everyone from the farm with them, but can't see everyone on the farm just letting them go. I feel like there will have to be some crazy event that renders the farm no longer safe. I'm guessing the girl that is in shock is a zombie. She probably swallowed spit or something when that one zombie wasn't dead. I couldn't figure out why they only buried a few of the dead, and burned the others. Even though it was obvious that Otis death was why we never found out Sophia was in the barn, I'm glad it was addressed. I had a bunch of friends that were clueless to that fact.
Speaking of that, I'm glad Daryl is opening his mouth about what he believes Shane did, it will cause some sweet drama in the episodes to come.
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You mean Dale, not Daryl.
That bar scene was nice, those two guys obviously had "trouble" written all over them but I like how Rick was shown as a badass instead of the tragic guy.
But yes, that thing with Lori was completely moronic!
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Holy fuck that ending!
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Episode was pretty meh. The Lori scene with the crash was just too much, obviously a cheap way of causing a problem where there really shouldn't have been one.
While the ending was a bit unexpected, the episode as a whole was still pretty meh.
Prediction for what's next.. For starters, I think the ending scene will most likely have consequences. I'd say it's either: A) the shots attract walkers or B) The two guys has friends nearby. I'm leaning more towards B because if you're checking out a place you haven't been to (in a zombie apocalypse), I doubt you send all men into the same building at once. So yeah, my guess would be that something action-related will happen in the bar.
Now I'm probably gonna see The Talking Dead since I haven't had time for it yet. Can't wait for next week. :)
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I think the purpose of the roll over was to kill the baby on board.
As do I. It's better sooner than later so there isn't a bunch of wasted time on that pregnancy. This way makes it 'easier' to deal with.
Prediction for what's next.. For starters, I think the ending scene will most likely have consequences. I'd say it's either: A) the shots attract walkers or B) The two guys has friends nearby. I'm leaning more towards B because if you're checking out a place you haven't been to (in a zombie apocalypse), I doubt you send all men into the same building at once. So yeah, my guess would be that something action-related will happen in the bar.
I was thinking along those lines as well. Just the way those two were acting I was kind of waiting for thier buddies to show up anyhow. Or, walkers might have followed them to the bar. Either way I'm with you, it would seem something would happen.
I'm really curious as to how they exit the farm when the time comes.
I think the only way they can exit that farm in a manner that 'fits' is for it to be overrun with Walkers. There is no reason in that world for the group to head out now, Herschal should be on thier side now and it just doesn't make sense to leave a secure location like that.
Rick pretty much just laid the hurt down there at the end. I loved the whole 'old west' feel that bar scene had. Dusty Bar, pouring shots of whiskey, small talk to feel each other out. Positioning themselves for the fight they know is coming. Then BANG!!! Rick goes all Doc Holliday on em'
I've said it before, I don't mind the 'slow' aspect that bothers some of you guys. I take it for what it's worth, I'm entertained and will watch the series until they take it off the air....or our own Zombi Apacolypse hits....one or the other.
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The episode was okay. But after watching all 4 seasons of Breaking Bad, they really have to step this show up.
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Did anybody see the Talking Dead?
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Did anybody see the Talking Dead?
Yeah I saw it, which made me giggle even more about mah prediction. :lol
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The episode was okay. But after watching all 4 seasons of Breaking Bad, they really have to step this show up.
I've said this before, but Vince Gilligan + The Walking Dead = a much better show.
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Why are you guys comparing two completely different shows?
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Why are you guys comparing two completely different shows?
They're not completely different. They share plenty of similarities.
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Why are you guys comparing two completely different shows?
They're not completely different. They share plenty of similarities.
Like?
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Why are you guys comparing two completely different shows?
They're not completely different. They share plenty of similarities.
Like?
They're both dramas, broadcast by the same network. They're both heavily serialized, and take place in relatively condensed periods of time. They both are similar production-wise; similar budget, both had shortened first seasons, and both will have 16 episode seasons next year. They've shared some directors (Michelle MacLaren being the foremost, who is also an executive producer of Breaking Bad). The VFX team on The Walking Dead has done at least one scene's worth of special effects for Breaking Bad (don't look this up if you don't want to be spoiled), and The Walking Dead has made at least one overt reference to Breaking Bad (blue meth).
On a more plot/thematic level, but without spoilers, at some level both shows share the theme of characters forcing themselves to do things they don't necessarily want to in order to survive, whilst keeping their family/friends/group stable and together. Both have characters, either in moments of selfishness or stupidity, bring danger upon themselves/loved ones. I could go on. It's not that hard to break down and compare basic themes. Both shows have a reputation for great action sequences, as well as claustrophobic and extremely tense moments.
I think there's plenty of grounds for comparison.
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GP- If there are similiarities it's purely coincidental. WD is based (pretty damn close now too) on the comic book series that began in '03. The only major differences being character development really. In the comic Shane is killed in like the first edition by Carl, and Daryl isn't even a character, so there are differences.
I watched the Talking Dead too. It was interesting to me to see Dave Navarro jump all over Executive Producer Glen Mazzara about the lack of zombies and the painfully slow pace of the series this year. I think it spoke volumes about the differences between how the series is treated now versus when Frank Darabont ran things. (Also, being a live show it wasn't lost on me the irony that Navarro obviously had no where else to go on Grammy night. :lol ). You could tell it really rattled Mazzara. I could hear him bitch after the show,
"Who booked that damn Navarro?"
*a small hand goes up in the back of the room* "I did, sir."
"You're fired!"
Anyway, he promised things would pick up and spoke about an awesome finale. If viewers have to wait until the season finale to have awesome shows, I don't see things going on for very long. At least we'll have a season three, and hopefully they'll figure out an even better formula. I mean you do have to develop the characters and the back stories as well, I mean they can't be battling flesh eating ghouls every hour of every day. Hell, in a world like that I'd eat a bullet myself. You can't manintain a pace like that, but hopefully they can find a way to add more suspense and nervous tension than they have this year. If they continue to loosely follow the books, I know where they head next. I just hope they don't all meet the same fate. And for what it's worth, I still really dig this show.
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Exactly all that ^
Plus why was that Dave Navarro acting like I should know who he is? is he an Axl Rose kinda guy?
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GP- If there are similiarities it's purely coincidental. WD is based (pretty damn close now too) on the comic book series that began in '03. The only major differences being character development really. In the comic Shane is killed in like the first edition by Carl, and Daryl isn't even a character, so there are differences.
Oh, I wasn't alleging plagiarism, or that the plots were similar, or anything like that. I was just saying that it's ridiculous to say "the shows have nothing in common" as a means of preventing comparison, when they absolutely do.
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Exactly all that ^
Plus why was that Dave Navarro acting like I should know who he is? is he an Axl Rose kinda guy?
He's the guitarist for Jane's Addiction. Was also in the Chili Peppers for a time.
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Exactly all that ^
Plus why was that Dave Navarro acting like I should know who he is? is he an Axl Rose kinda guy?
He's the guitarist for Jane's Addiction. Was also in the Chili Peppers for a time.
He has also been married to Carmen Electra, if that says anything. :lol
I really liked him on The Talking Dead though. I really feel like he asked the questions that a lot of people have been asking, and it was nice to see them answered. I didn't feel like the producer-guy was upset or angry over the questions, because Dave Navarro even said like "I still love the show, I'm just asking because I'm interested" several times. So I didn't really feel like the producer reacted in a bad way. And I mean, if you can't ask questions like "when are they leaving the farm?", then it gets a bit lame seeing how much time they've spent there. :lol Character development is one thing, but you cant pause a TV-Show for 13 episodes just to have some of that.
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I agree he did ask the right questions.
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Bravo Walking dead (https://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0172.gif) (https://www.desismileys.com/)
Such an excellent, adrenaline fueled first half. Something about it being night time on the farm just made it 10 times more interesting. Things slowed down a bit when day broke, but I was cool with that.
Definitely got a little laugh when Maggie walked right Past Hershel and strait to Glenn and That menacing look in Rick's eyes at the end really had me on the edge of my seat. Perhaps he's more like Shane than he would like to admit.
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Could be the best episode so far in the second season. First 25-30 minutes or so were really great, then it sorta lost pace, but the first half made up for it.
Also, at the end.. I was almost expecting Rick to draw his gun, and go out and shoot Shane. :lol Time will tell.
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The ending made me giggle like a little girl. :lol
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The ending made me giggle like a little girl. :lol
No kidding. Laurie using her woman powers to seduce Ricks mind. Even though she was dead on about everything and wasn't lying at all, just the way she was getting her point across came off very covert...very sleezy almost. Reminded me of that animated Beowulf movie a few years back when he was getting seduced by Angelina Jolies caroon character (forgot the name of that "thing') Anyway, that was a cool scene and that look Rick had was pretty intense. Like everything he knew but refused to believe just got confirmed by the one person he trusts the most.
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I thought this episode was a tale of two halves. First one being very good, the second one being a little meh. I liked how Carol stood there and understanding Daryl was venting just took it and didn't break down or nothing, which is basically been her schtick so far. The first half of the episode back on the bar was very, very good, had me on the edge of my seat.
Although Lori's crash was completely moronic, that sequence with the two zombies was pretty good, especially the one trying to get in through the windshield.
Glen's conversation with Maggie was a dumb way to put some tension between them, "you love me so much it would suck if I died"?? Come on! Also, I couldn't help but laugh when she darted past Hershel to hug Glen.
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Anyone else feeling like they really saved the big guns?
Last episode we had the first scene at the crash-site, then the whole action at the bar. I mean, we haven't had this much action in the whole first half of the second season, and boom.. everything in one episode. :lol Next episode looks epic as well, maybe they really saved the epic stuff for the last couple of episodes.
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GP- If there are similiarities it's purely coincidental. WD is based (pretty damn close now too) on the comic book series that began in '03. The only major differences being character development really. In the comic Shane is killed in like the first edition by Carl, and Daryl isn't even a character, so there are differences.
I watched the Talking Dead too. It was interesting to me to see Dave Navarro jump all over Executive Producer Glen Mazzara about the lack of zombies and the painfully slow pace of the series this year. I think it spoke volumes about the differences between how the series is treated now versus when Frank Darabont ran things. (Also, being a live show it wasn't lost on me the irony that Navarro obviously had no where else to go on Grammy night. :lol ). You could tell it really rattled Mazzara. I could hear him bitch after the show,
"Who booked that damn Navarro?"
*a small hand goes up in the back of the room* "I did, sir."
"You're fired!"
Anyway, he promised things would pick up and spoke about an awesome finale. If viewers have to wait until the season finale to have awesome shows, I don't see things going on for very long. At least we'll have a season three, and hopefully they'll figure out an even better formula. I mean you do have to develop the characters and the back stories as well, I mean they can't be battling flesh eating ghouls every hour of every day. Hell, in a world like that I'd eat a bullet myself. You can't manintain a pace like that, but hopefully they can find a way to add more suspense and nervous tension than they have this year. If they continue to loosely follow the books, I know where they head next. I just hope they don't all meet the same fate. And for what it's worth, I still really dig this show.
What about the TV show's zombified Sophia? 'Cause in the comics she's still alive...
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GP- If there are similiarities it's purely coincidental. WD is based (pretty damn close now too) on the comic book series that began in '03. The only major differences being character development really. In the comic Shane is killed in like the first edition by Carl, and Daryl isn't even a character, so there are differences.
I watched the Talking Dead too. It was interesting to me to see Dave Navarro jump all over Executive Producer Glen Mazzara about the lack of zombies and the painfully slow pace of the series this year. I think it spoke volumes about the differences between how the series is treated now versus when Frank Darabont ran things. (Also, being a live show it wasn't lost on me the irony that Navarro obviously had no where else to go on Grammy night. :lol ). You could tell it really rattled Mazzara. I could hear him bitch after the show,
"Who booked that damn Navarro?"
*a small hand goes up in the back of the room* "I did, sir."
"You're fired!"
Anyway, he promised things would pick up and spoke about an awesome finale. If viewers have to wait until the season finale to have awesome shows, I don't see things going on for very long. At least we'll have a season three, and hopefully they'll figure out an even better formula. I mean you do have to develop the characters and the back stories as well, I mean they can't be battling flesh eating ghouls every hour of every day. Hell, in a world like that I'd eat a bullet myself. You can't manintain a pace like that, but hopefully they can find a way to add more suspense and nervous tension than they have this year. If they continue to loosely follow the books, I know where they head next. I just hope they don't all meet the same fate. And for what it's worth, I still really dig this show.
What about the TV show's zombified Sophia? 'Cause in the comics she's still alive...
Yeah, I said there are differences. I didn't list them all. Even in the comics, to me Sophia is a minor character.
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Tonights episode was pretty intense. I would have left Shanes ass behind in a heartbeat. That's one dangerous mutha'fucka'! The preview for next week showed him talking to Andrea about getting rid of Rick. WTF? I think this second half of this season has really picked up. I still think they are spending waaaay to much time at the farm. It's a little ridiculous now. I know for production purposes and all that it was easier I'm sure to just stay on the set they've been working from, but still. I'm also a little perplexed that half the cast wasn't even in this episode. And if I were Irone Singleton (T-Bone), I'd be asking my agent if I needed to be looking for work soon. Hell, the guy has what? All of ten minutes screen time total in the last 5 episodes? I guuess the problem with the show is they have to follow through on some of the storylines with the central charcaters now, or people will get pissed, but surely they could give more attention to some of these other characters I think.
Anyhoo- Question of the night... Considering that the two cop walkers weren't bitten, and Rick alluded to them having scratches on them, will Shane now be infected since he cut his hand with the same knife he iced some walkers with already? This came up in the "Talking Dead" episode. What would be awesome would be that we see that being bitten causes rapid change, but a scratch or cut causes a slower change, and we see Shane deteriorate over time.
Whatever they come up with, I'm sure it will be awesome. Love the show, and even though I've read nearly all the comics now, the show is like a totally different thing to me. Still fresh, still intense, and still awesome. :metal
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Tonights episode was pretty intense. I would have left Shanes ass behind in a heartbeat. That's one dangerous mutha'fucka'! The preview for next week showed him talking to Andrea about getting rid of Rick. WTF? I think this second half of this season has really picked up. I still think they are spending waaaay to much time at the farm. It's a little ridiculous now. I know for production purposes and all that it was easier I'm sure to just stay on the set they've been working from, but still. I'm also a little perplexed that half the cast wasn't even in this episode. And if I were Irone Singleton (T-Bone), I'd be asking my agent if I needed to be looking for work soon. Hell, the guy has what? All of ten minutes screen time total in the last 5 episodes? I guuess the problem with the show is they have to follow through on some of the storylines with the central charcaters now, or people will get pissed, but surely they could give more attention to some of these other characters I think.
Anyhoo- Question of the night... Considering that the two cop walkers weren't bitten, and Rick alluded to them having scratches on them, will Shane now be infected since he cut his hand with the same knife he iced some walkers with already? This came up in the "Talking Dead" episode. What would be awesome would be that we see that being bitten causes rapid change, but a scratch or cut causes a slower change, and we see Shane deteriorate over time.
Whatever they come up with, I'm sure it will be awesome. Love the show, and even though I've read nearly all the comics now, the show is like a totally different thing to me. Still fresh, still intense, and still awesome. :metal
The farm felt so empty missing all those people. Maybe it was a budget thing, but the whole time I was like where is everyone?
and the knife thing. If I was out in the field, I would not be cutting myself under any circumstances with infection possible at any moment. But I did kind of see a juxtaposition between the Girl cutting herself to try to die, where as Rick and Shane were cutting themselves trying to live. I could be just be reading into it though.
Overall I enjoyed the episode though. I liked the stratagizing and planning for winter talk they did at the beginning, and that one part where I think Rick said "I'm not the good guy anymore". He definitely looks and acts more badass then he ever has. And I found that one lone walker in the field pretty cool too.
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The episode was pretty solid. Things have started happening and it's both good and bad. The fact that half of the cast were missing felt very weird, if it was a budget-cut or something, at least one of the other characters could have said something like: "Glenn, Darryl, Dale and T-Bone went out to look for..." something, I don't know. The farm isn't exactly massive, so not seeing the characters felt weird.
I think it's admirable what Rick did when he went back for Shane. They were partners in the old world, and the fact that it matters to Rick even after Shane has gone all psycho, that's quite something. Even though he saved Shane, I think Rick knows that there will be some form of confrontation and that shit will go down, but he doesn't want it to be his fault.
I want to see The Talking Dead, but the new episode isn't out on the internet yet. (strangely) :/
Otherwise I predict that Shane will die in the season finale. It just feels inevitable.
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Solid, solid episode! Scaling the scope of the episode to less characters really helped it.
I was also wondering about Rick's and Shane's "no bite" comment and since there was no closure to it, I'm with Kevin Smith thinking it's a hook for coming episodes.
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No one has mentioned the fight between Rick and Shane yet? That was one of the best parts of the episode! lol. Anyway, solid episode, can't wait to see what happens next. Things are definitely heating up.....
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Good stuff.
I seriously thought that Rick was gonna leave Shane behind, I mean who wouldn't..? I'm hating Shane's character more and more with each episode and I guess that's the point but.. I can't wait to see Rick blowing Shane's head off or him being mauled by a gazillion walkers.
The thing with the suicidal girl felt pretty pointless but I guess you gotta fill half of the episode with something other than walker killin'.
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The suicidal girl didn't really seem pointless. I think it's a legitimate topic to cover when the world has gone to hell and you can't justify living anymore. Granted, they already touched on it a bit in season 1.
I think they're planting seeds to further divide the group. That suicide plot served to split Lori and Andrea apart even further, which now puts Rick and Lori against Shane and Andrea. I think by the end of the season we'll have two groups leaving the farm with those two pairs in opposite groups.
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The suicidal girl didn't really seem pointless. I think it's a legitimate topic to cover when the world has gone to hell and you can't justify living anymore.
This.
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I just thought the scenes with the girl weren't that good, and I think the topic was handled a lot better with the doctor in season one. *shrug* Came off as filler to me, especially since I didn't even really remember this character existed. I couldn't even tell you what her name is. :lol
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I agree that the topic wasn't as powerful as in season 1, but it provided a perfect opportunity for Andrea (who made that same decision in season 1) to play devil's advocate and create some tension between her and Lori.
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I just thought the scenes with the girl weren't that good, and I think the topic was handled a lot better with the doctor in season one. *shrug* Came off as filler to me, especially since I didn't even really remember this character existed. I couldn't even tell you what her name is. :lol
No shit, couldn't possibly care less about blondiebitchtits. But mainly I'm irked that she didn't turn into a walker. I'm really surprised that they've left the 'infection' pretty much completely alone since the beginning of the series. We first heard about it with the what's-his-face black man explaining how his wife came down with flu-like symptoms, become catatonic, and slowly deteriorated with a rising, hellish fever. Right when I saw blondiebitchtits go down in that comatose state and a fever, I was so excited we were finally going to see the infection first hand and how it presents itself. But alas...nothing. She's better. FAWK! I really want to see someone get infected with the actual virus that started it (other than that crazy loon guy in S1 who the crew left behind) and not just get it through transmission of bites or cuts and whatnot. It seems to be leading up to that at some point but I was really rooting for blondiebitchtits to go that way. Plus she's stupid.
Really loved this episode other than that tiny disappointment; I've loved the last few episodes. Hopefully they keep picking up speed and excitement for a kick-ass finale. Oh and yeah, they're all insanely foolish for cutting themselves at all.
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Just finished Pretty Much Dead Already. Holy mother of crap, what an episode.
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Indeed! That episode and this week's were some of the best so far.
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I heard though that the creative director for the series was changed halfway through the series. I hope that doesn't change the focus of the show from "how people react to being suddenly thrust into the end of the world" to "let's kill zombies lol!"
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Frank Darabont was the showrunner until Secrets, the episode before PMDA, but from what I understand this week's episode was the first were Darabont's ideas and influence weren't part of the show. Glen Mazzara's, the new showrunner, first full episode.
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:omg:
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Turning into such a drama fest now. Where da' walkers at! Everyone hates Shane (except the blonde woman) and there's every reason to.
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Quite an interesting episode. Very slow, but in good way. Like a pot of water slowly coming to a boil.
I really thought Rick would go through with it, like everything was building to that moment.
I also thought that a pivotal moment was at the end when the gun was removed from Rick's hand as he was unable to do what needed to be done, in regard to Dale's suffering. Very interesting.
One other thing I wanted to bring up last week. This Randel guy had his lower leg impaled on a spike and two days later he's running around dodging zombies after Rick and Shane have their battle. Did I miss something? Wouldn't he need to be on crutches for a couple weeks?
Overall though, I thought it was a really decent episode.
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DALE NOOOOOO
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DALE NOOOOOO
:'(
He was like my favorite character, not including Daryl.
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It's fucking hilarious to read comments re: T-Dawg. Apparently he was trending on Twitter.
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I didn't post after the previous episode. briefly:- I thought it went great until half way through the episode when for the first time ever I felt the writers pushing for Shane to be the villain, the way the character was built so far really implied that once Rick faced him with everything he knows; Shane would cave in to his old self and his old friend and find peace that way which he had been seeking since Rick reappeared. Starting when Shane started to fight with Rick simply over killing the kid and the events following that; it was just clear now that the writers want him to be the hated one. Hating him was debatable prior to that. He's however still the most realistic and round character on the show.
Also on last week's episode: Lori is a bitch.
This week's episode was exciting. Wishing for Dale's death for a couple of episodes before the season hiatus; they managed to make me sad about it based only on the events of this episode. Daryl keeps managing to look and sound very cool. Every time Rick takes a step forward toward reaffirming his status as group leader he takes another back, he really did need to prove, at least for the eyes of the other two potential alpha male figures watching, that he could do what needed to be done and been agreed on when they went to execute the prisoner, even though I don't agree with killing him.
Good episode overall.
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This show has really picked up again in the last four or five episodes. Nebraska was quite meh, but otherwise, everything since PMDA has been incredibly good, as good as, and probably better than, the first season.
The first half of the season was good, but it needed a bit of honing, mainly more pace, and they've done that. The fact that they're still on the farm doesn't matter. It's not still a case of "let's look for Sophia for another day, let's pull a walker out of a well, let's make another run into town, etc". The focus of the plot has changed a lot, and there's a far greater feeling of urgency now, so the fact that they're still using the same scenery doesn't bother me at all.
Honing in on only a few specific characters and plot threads has really helped things, rather than (as it felt before) trying to give a slightly too comprehensive overview of the entire group and so slowing things down with tons of little scenes that add something, but not a LOT. Now there's a lot more pace, and while we aren't seeing all the characters all the time, they're brought in when they should be, and the time they are given is used well.
and metty: I have to disagree about Shane being painted too strongly as a villain, I didn't get that feeling. He did go a bit nuts during the fight, but it's Shane, I wouldn't have expected him to go easy, especially when he Rick keeps coming at him. I think there's a richer dynamic to them developing than just two opposing figures always bumping heads. I can't really explain what I mean, but the solidarity between Rick and Shane on whether to kill the kid, and the tone of their discussion at the start of the 18 Miles episode - the fact that Shane didn't just stand up to Rick and argue back like he normally does, which has recently started to make them feel a bit too much like two archetypes rather than friends with a long history despite their differences - are two examples.
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Not really sure what to say about the last episode. Sad about Dale, he had a very good point with his reasoning in this episode, and he's one of the few characters that felt genuine "real". The voice of reason, someone who has values and believes in them. There are several characters that I feel should have gone out before, but that is preferences really.
But seriously, Carl is quite possibly one of the most annoying characters ever. I had almost forgotten about how stupid he was (in the first shows this season), but this episode was just over the top. First the whole "playing with the zombie", and then leading the zombie to the farm where it eventually killed Dale. The only way the writers can make me happy would be if Carl got hit by a bulldozer and had his corpse eaten by 40 walkers. Seriously, why does Rick and Lori allow him to roam freely as he wants in a zombie-apocalypse, talk about solid parenting.
The only good thing I could say about Carl was when he told Carrol that "there is no heaven", suck it you Christian dork!
T-Dawg must be the most epic character ever. He's had like what, 3 lines this season? Some episodes he doesn't even show up, and in some he's just standing in the background. :lol
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Ditto. Carl is the most annoying character ever. He's a buzzkill every time his face is shown, and he needs to stop wearing that fucking hat. Wy couldn't he have died instead of Sophia!
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I haven't seen the latest two episodes yet but this is pretty much true at this point in time:
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I don't know how many of you saw Talking Dead, but Scott Ian made a comment about Randall that I hadn't thought before and it put his character on a whole new perspective: "Randall is Benjamin Linus." If you seen Lost, you know exactly what he meant.
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I don't know how many of you saw Talking Dead, but Scott Ian made a comment about Randall that I hadn't thought before and it put his character on a whole new perspective: "Randall is Benjamin Linus." If you seen Lost, you know exactly what he meant.
Who is Randall? The new guy?
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I don't know how many of you saw Talking Dead, but Scott Ian made a comment about Randall that I hadn't thought before and it put his character on a whole new perspective: "Randall is Benjamin Linus." If you seen Lost, you know exactly what he meant.
That makes perfect sense, what is the character's purpose right now? If he turned out to be ''Ben'' it would make him a great plot device.
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Um.. That little fruit cup will never live up to the godliness that is Linus. Never. That guys gonna get eaten and I'm going to love it. There's just no way...he's a dunce.
...But it'd be cool if it turned out that he was some mastermind. I'd get more satisfaction if he was lunch though. He needs to go sit in the zombie snack-time corner.
Ed: Just finished the newest episode. I still think that Randall is nothing but a useless, terrified little prawn. He's barely got enough brains to satisfy a nomnom; forget being related to Linus in any kind of way, he has no plan. I think that Shane is going to end up murdering him on his own. It really sucks that Dale went that way, that was harsh, and it was all that little bastard Carl's fault. The foolish child thinks himself to be transitioning to a man but he's proven that he is nothing but a brat thrown into a world in which he must carry a gun. Nothing more. I was surprised he lost his shit whenever he was 'playing' with hillbillynom. All in all a good episode. Dale's death constructed something vicious, however; humanity's voice died with him. Rick will fail to solidify the group. I await the carnage with bated breath. BLOOD IS GONNA FLOW LIKE THA' ANCIENT RIVERS OF BABYLON. ???
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I'm curious if we are going to see any other members die. I know this sounds harsh, but I'd like to see Carl suffer even more trauma for his actions. I want to see something like Daryl be off in his little area and have a walker attack. When he goes to reach for his gun in his saddle bag he's left with nothing to defend himself with because Carl left it in the woods.
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I'm curious if we are going to see any other members die. I know this sounds harsh, but I'd like to see Carl suffer even more trauma for his actions. I want to see something like Daryl be off in his little area and have a walker attack. When he goes to reach for his gun in his saddle bag he's left with nothing to defend himself with because Carl left it in the woods.
I'd like to see something like this as well (except nothing better happen to Daryl other than a scare and giving the kid a good whooping), that little shit is making me root for the nomers even more now. Him and that dumb ho who keeps saying she isn't crazy need to just get eaten already. Maybe not Carl, but people need to stop being so god damn stupid. Shame that Daryl has been getting less time in the spotlight cause he's one of the few that's cut out for survival in this new world (who isn't batshit crazy like Shane).
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I'm curious if we are going to see any other members die. I know this sounds harsh, but I'd like to see Carl suffer even more trauma for his actions. I want to see something like Daryl be off in his little area and have a walker attack. When he goes to reach for his gun in his saddle bag he's left with nothing to defend himself with because Carl left it in the woods.
I'd like to see something like this as well (except nothing better happen to Daryl other than a scare and giving the kid a good whooping), that little shit is making me root for the nomers even more now. Him and that dumb ho who keeps saying she isn't crazy need to just get eaten already. Maybe not Carl, but people need to stop being so god damn stupid. Shame that Daryl has been getting less time in the spotlight cause he's one of the few that's cut out for survival in this new world (who isn't batshit crazy like Shane).
I think we are beginning to see him go crazy though. After Sophia died, I think he began to go off the deep end. Especially in last nights episode when he said he didn't care who lived or died. On that note though, I don't think he imagined Dale being the next to go. The fact that he put him away shows that maybe he does care, or at least cared about a few people. Now that another one of those few is gone, might just send him over the top.
Carl's comment to Sophia came out of no where, especially considering how religious they portrayed Rick and Lori to be in the beginning of the season. If Sophia's mom dies, Carl is going to feel like a real ass for saying that.
I feel like at least one more has to go in order to leave us wanting more in season 3.
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I think Daryl is just hurt for the way Carol (is that her name? lol) has been acting with some of the things she's said regarding Sophia. After Daryl risked his life looking for her, and then she says things which make it seem like she doesn't care, I'd be upset/have a "fuck this shit" attitude too if I was Daryl.
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Absolutely. Especially after his whole debacle with falling into that ravine and stabbing himself with an arrow. I know I'd be pissed.
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I really want Carl to DIE. He's annoyingly written and badly acted. As far as Dale goes, I didn't care for him too much (though I agreed with his perspective throughout the episode (although that is really easy to say if you're not in their situation)), but the way he went was damn sad.
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I thought the timing of Dales death was perfect and surely the symbolism was intentional being that the entire episode was essentially based around Dale trying to stress to everyone that they needed to maintain thier humanity. And in the end, the Walker that literally represents what the world has come to...killed the last bit of humanity that group had. Even as he lay dying once Andrea mentioned he was suffering the 'look' Dale gave once he realized he was about to be 'put out of his misery' was a great representation of 'humanity' failing to believe just where man as a whole has ended up in the face of the trying times.
I don't look at the fact that Daryl took Ricks gun away from him to euthanize Dale as weakness on Ricks part, I believe he would have shot him. I just think that being that he's had to make every hard decision...shot Sofia....was going to shoot Randall...and then Dale, I think Daryl more or less was saying to Rick by doing that "I got this one Bro...take a break". Plus, I think the conversation between Daryl and Dale earlier may have meant more to Daryl than we think....so maybe he was doing Dale on last favor.
Randall is no 'Benjamin Linus'. He fell off a roof and was impaled in his leg surely to be killed and eaten. If not for a 'caring' heart, he'd be Walker poo. I do believe he's as dangerous as Shane says he is though.
Carl needs a good Butt whoopin'. Old school pick your switch and I'm going to wear your butt out kind.
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I really want Carl to DIE. He's annoyingly written and badly acted. As far as Dale goes, I didn't care for him too much (though I agreed with his perspective throughout the episode (although that is really easy to say if you're not in their situation)), but the way he went was damn sad.
The fact that he died without being bitten made it really sad, as well as the fact he wasn't able to utter any last words. It looked like he was trying so hard to but was unable due to pain. Is it bad that for most of that event I was thinking about the possibility of zombie cows?
I really want Carl to DIE. He's annoyingly written and badly acted. As far as Dale goes, I didn't care for him too much (though I agreed with his perspective throughout the episode (although that is really easy to say if you're not in their situation)), but the way he went was damn sad.
I would really like to see Carl die, but there needs to be the parenting element. If Lori is still pregnant (hasn't been mentioned since the car accident...) we could do without Carl.
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Walker poo.
:omg:
The thought of Walkers shitting just blew my mind. Surely they must, but since they are animated mindless corpses, is the shitting uncontrollable? Imagine how bad they must smell dead, and then the added smell of wet and dry shit all over them. FUCK.
In a Zombie Apocalypse, the smell is going to be my main issue. :neverusethis:
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I didn't want Dale to die, there's plenty of worse characters that I want to die. :-\
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I'd be willing to put my life savings on a finale where Carl shoots Shane.
Think about it.. the conflict between Rick and Shane, the preview of the next episode where Rick gives Carl a gun. I can see it in my head; Rick fights with Shane, Shane is about to land a killing blow, Carl enters.. BOOM.
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I kinda don't want Shane to die. I almost kinda want him to just get kicked out and take Andrea with him. I wanna see how that develops.
Or better yet, have Andrea decide she doesn't want any part of it, and he's left to fend for himself.
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I'd be willing to put my life savings on a finale where Carl shoots Shane.
Think about it.. the conflict between Rick and Shane, the preview of the next episode where Rick gives Carl a gun. I can see it in my head; Rick fights with Shane, Shane is about to land a killing blow, Carl enters.. BOOM.
I've been believing that for quite some time. With what you pointed out along with the way they've stressed when Shane was teaching Carl how to shoot and telling him how he should always protect his family....the manner in which Shane and Carl are kind of butting heads anyway. It's going to happen.
But...I think Shane will be zombified by that time. I just think the subtle point Shane made to Rick about the two police officers who were zombies not having any signs of bites or scratches but still being zombies wasn't a coincedence. Then, later that episode when Shane was trapped in the bus he continually cut himself with the knife...after stabbing zombies in the head...therefore contaminating himself. Rick, cut himself with a 'clean' knife.
Carl will shoot zombie Shane as he is trying to kill either Rick or Lori......
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Although don't you think he should be a zombie already, if he was infected a couple days before?
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Although don't you think he should be a zombie already, if he was infected a couple days before?
I think maybe in a contamination scenario like that instead of a straight out bite, maybe it festers a bit and you just begin to get sick little by little.....then start to show the signs the one dude did last season and that black dude said his wife did. High fever and what not.
It's only been a couple days....which by the time the finale takes place will maybe be a week?
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It still bugs me that the only time action happens is when someone does something stupid. Sure it wouldn't be interesting to follow if everyone was smart and they spent a week down in a bunker, then food-hunting and going back.
But there could be something in between. Things could happen that aren't within their control, like a walker-raid on the farm or something. :biggrin:
I still like the show and all, but it has been running on fumes for a while, even if the last couple of episodes have been better, they are still at the fuckin' farm, after 11 episodes!
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they are still at the fuckin' farm, after 11 episodes!
I think it's a safe bet to say that they will remain at the farm the remainder of this season. Perhaps the finale will introduce the reason(s) why they have to vacate the farm....but I just don't see how they get up and running and onto the next thing in two episodes.
It hasn't really bothered me all that much they spent the entire season there....but it will be a relief once they get on with it. I think they said that the episode 'Nebraska' was the first episode written and shot that Frank Darabont had nothing to do with....and IMO that episode and the subsequent episodes have been pretty good.
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I hope Hershel stays for the next season, I actually like him. He does in the comics, apparently.
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Who cares? It's a story arc. According to the comic, they go to a prison next, right? What if they stay there for a whole season? Big deal. Sure the characters do stupid shit, but one smart thing is that they stayed on that damn farm.
And those complaining that there isn't enough zombie action, if the show was nothing but zombie massacring like you all are begging for, you would then complain that there was no substance.
Also, I didn't see Dale's death coming, but the zombie finding it's way to the farm was pretty predictable, but I'm sure it wasn't supposed to be a big surprise or anything since it got free.
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Well, I don't consider myself one of those who need more zombie-action, I just feel like they stretch some things far too much. Like for example, last episode we had the "suicide - right or wrong?" dilemma that needed a whole episode to be answered. This episode it was "killing an innocent man - right or wrong?" thing that also took forever. Sure there are many questions when it comes to moral and how the world works now, I just didn't find the suicide-part very interesting, and in this episode the main question felt almost dragged, because they were arguing about whether to kill Randall or not last week already.
I don't necessarily think that more zombie action would make it better, but characters doing stupid things is one of the most annoying features ever. Sure humans aren't perfect, but when people starts asking for trouble in a zombie-apocalypse world (like Carl did today), I just get angry as a viewer. And Dale patrolling miles away from the farm when it was dark, what's up with that? :lol After all we have seen in previous episodes that they had put up some form of wire or similar, so he must have been outside of that, because I doubt one single walker would find it's way through.
Staying at the farm is obviously a smart move, but probably not the most fun one to watch. Personally, what I loved about season 1 was the constant change of environment. New places, new towns, and you had no idea what to expect.
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I truly just want very one of these characters to die horrific deaths at this point. Crossbow dude can live, and the asian guy and Maggie can get quick deaths, but the rest of these fuckers need to have their throats torn out.
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Good episode......throughout the whole thing, I was waiting for Dale to announce that he's related to Randall, given how hard he was fighting to keep him alive. And his death was a huge shocker!! But that's why we watch the show, right? For shockers!
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And Dale patrolling miles away from the farm when it was dark, what's up with that?
I was wondering the same thing? WTF was he doing? I thought maybe he was going down to see Daryl but when he left Daryl was with the group. But remember when they were on the highway? He did the same thing. Wandered way off to stare at the dark woodline. Maybe that was some sort of vauge foreshadowing. Either way....in a world like that....he basically got what he deserved for wandering off by himself. Hasn't he ever watched a horror show ;)
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I need the girl playing Maggie to do some Maxim shoots. She is like a young Charlize Theron!
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I need the girl playing Maggie to do some Maxim shoots. She is like a young Charlize Theron!
Have her lying in a bed of shed human skin...rubbing dark red coagulated blood all over herself......yeah.....I feel ya'!
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I need the girl playing Maggie to do some Maxim shoots. She is like a young Charlize Theron!
Have her lying in a bed of shed human skin...rubbing dark red coagulated blood all over herself......yeah.....I feel ya'!
I came.
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I need the girl playing Maggie to do some Maxim shoots. She is like a young Charlize Theron!
If you want to see more of her, watch Chuck (seasons 4 and 5 I think) - she is Vivian McArthur.
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Good episode...with the exception of Dale getting killed. Dale has been the one real voice of humanity since the series began. In my opinion he has been the strongest character on the show. Every character has had some additional horrific or messed up scenario to have to deal with since the very first episode except for Dale.
Lori and her messed up relationship with Shane and subsequent pregnancy
Carl being shot and thinking his dad was dead.
Shanes guilt over Rick, obsession with Lori and jealousy and need to BE Rick, not to mention totally losing any moral compass he every had when he killed Otis.
Glen freaking out and freezing due to his confusion with Maggie and his coming to grips with his previous risky behavior.
Darrell and his brother, the injury and being shot and losing it over the death of Sophia and issues with Carol..
Carol and her abusive husband and the death of Sophia and issues now with Darrell
T-Dog and his infection and desire to nearly give up.
Andrea and the death of her sister and desire to kill herself.
ALL of them have had some heavy shit to deal with with the exception of Dale.
It was Dale who tried to be the father figure and protector for Andrea and her sister.
It was Dale who talked Andrea out of giving up and dying at the CDC.
Its been Dale who has kept the vehicles going and kept them mobile.
Its been Dale (primarily) who stands his post atop the RV guarding everyone.
It was Dale who served as the "armorer" for the group.
It was Dale who you always saw with a rifle walking the perimeter of wherever they were.
Dale was the voice of reason.
Dale was a confidant and moral compass at different times for everyone on the show.
He quietly was the srtongest character in my opinion for all of these reasons, and now he's gone. The last connection the group had to solid humanity and the world they knew before.
I see Andrea now (since it was revealed she was a civil rights lawyer) as the one who will really be affected by Dales death the most; and I think she will pick up the mantle of right and wrong for the group, but she'll do it in a twisted way.
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I think the group will (try to) be more united because now that Dale's gone, they will all realize all the good things he stood for and (hopefully) fill in his place.
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I was thinnking about that seemingly wasted scene with Glenn and Hershal and thought of something. Up until Glenn 'freezing' in the alley...he has been a pretty intrical part of the group. And, from what I understand, he is a vital piece and important character in the Graphic Novel. Perhaps Hershal passing a family heirloom along to Glenn will kind of restore the mojo that Glenn feels he lost in the alley. Maybe that scene was meant to signify (to us) and Glenn that he is important and relevant and a big deal.
I just wish that since they decided to do something like that....that they would have maybe taken some more time with the scene and given it the time it deserved for such a 'sentimental' moment.
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I think the group will (try to) be more united because now that Dale's gone, they will all realize all the good things he stood for and (hopefully) fill in his place.
I think Daryl will be more of a team player now. I think it hit him harm when Dale said "you're right,the group is broken", I thought he was directing it toward him personally. Daryl isolating himself made him a contributor to the group falling apart.
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Daryl hasn't said "soumbitch" in this season at all :-\
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Daryl hasn't said "soumbitch" in this season at all :-\
He must have found some Lost DVDs lying around.
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(https://www.mountainproject.com/images/26/6/107412606_large_36533e.jpg)
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Maybe he has this in his tent:
(https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsjvp3GFK01qdfzs6o1_500.jpg)
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New episode soon, can't wait for it. Have a pretty strong feeling that Randall might get to eat dust in the next episode, it has sorta been building up to it, and I feel like it's almost guaranteed at this point. Who will do it? Shane, and I also have a very strong hunch that he will die as well, either in the next episode or in the last, but looking at how the pacing have been this season, they would almost need the last episode to be "Shane is dead, now we have to move on".
So to keep it short, my prediction for the next episode: Randall and Shane both die. You can all laugh at me if I'm wrong. :lol
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I'm still advocating for Shane staying alive, personally. I find him too interesting to just off him.
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shane dies either tonight or next week. sorry shane fans
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shane dies either tonight or next week. sorry shane fans
:corn
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I had a dream earlier about a spoiler for this season I accidentally read, and during the scene, which was really cool, Stone Sour was playing and made the scene even cooler. I need to stop reading comments on various websites though, cause some asshole always puts spoilers in the comments section for some reason.
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shane dies either tonight or next week. sorry shane fans
Wouldn't surprise me.
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shane dies either tonight or next week. sorry shane fans
Wouldn't surprise me.
Well they're somewhat loosely following the comics so it shouldn't surprise anyone really.
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And the deed is done. R.I.P. Shane
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Holy shit.
Well, it looks like we are gonna have ourselves some good old fashioned Night of the Living dead farmhouse action.
Leave it to tricky Rick to outsmart Shane.
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I guess it's somewhat safe to assume the virus is airborne.
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I guess it's somewhat safe to assume the virus is airborne.
I don't know about airborne, but there is definitely another means of transportation for the virus now.
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I guess it's somewhat safe to assume the virus is airborne.
I don't know about airborne, but there is definitely another means of transportation for the virus now.
Unless he got it when he was on the school bus and killed a zombie then cut his hand with the same knife without cleaning it, but I doubt the writers are gonna use that.
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If it is the case that it's airborne, and more or less everyone has it, then there is some serious retconning to do.
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If it is the case that it's airborne, and more or less everyone has it, then there is some serious retconning to do.
Let's say the virus becomes active when you die. What would you retcon?
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If it is the case that it's airborne, and more or less everyone has it, then there is some serious retconning to do.
Let's say the virus becomes active when you die. What would you retcon?
Come up with an explanation why all the people who died previously who didn't come back as zombies.
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I'm trying to remember which people, that were at some point part of the main group, have died and haven't been shown to be zombies.
There was Sophia's dad, which I really don't remember what happened to him.
Andrea's sister became a zombie.
Merle is not known if he's dead or not.
The people from the CDC... well they got blown up.
Who am I missing?
Not trying to prove you wrong, GP, just thinking about this.
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I'm trying to remember which people, that were at some point part of the main group, have died and haven't been shown to be zombies.
There was Sophia's dad, which I really don't remember what happened to him.
Andrea's sister became a zombie.
Merle is not known if he's dead or not.
The people from the CDC... well they got blown up.
Who am I missing?
Not trying to prove you wrong, GP, just thinking about this.
For example, first episode of this season. A freeway full of cars, many of them with dead people in them. Just dead people. Carl took a knife off of one.
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The writers explained why the bodies on the highway didn't reanimate. They said it was from head trauma.
*cough*BULLSHITLAMEEXPLANATION*cough*
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The writers explained why the bodies on the highway didn't reanimate. They said it was from head trauma.
*cough*BULLSHITLAMEEXPLANATION*cough*
I dunno, man. I can buy people getting stuck in a massive traffic jam taking the easy way out via their steering wheel.
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True, well maybe it's not airborne, I was just guessing from what was shown on the episode.
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The writers explained why the bodies on the highway didn't reanimate. They said it was from head trauma.
*cough*BULLSHITLAMEEXPLANATION*cough*
I dunno, man. I can buy people getting stuck in a massive traffic jam taking the easy way out via their steering wheel.
I think if you go back and watch that [sequence you'll see] we were very careful to have them be in cars that were in accidents, so the brain would’ve had trauma. Or they had some kind of wounds somewhere on their heads to show that their brains had been killed, like somebody came across and killed them. We knew that we were building to this throughout the entire season.
from: https://www.tvline.com/2012/03/the-walking-dead-season-2-episode-12-death/
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It was this season that Daryl and Andrea found a guy who had hung himself, yet had become a zombie right? The writers need to explain how becoming a zombie works and I hope they haven't forgotten about that whole "CDC guy tells Rick a secret before he blows up" thing.
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It was this season that Daryl and Andrea found a guy who had hung himself, yet had become a zombie right? The writers need to explain how becoming a zombie works and I hope they haven't forgotten about that whole "CDC guy tells Rick a secret before he blows up" thing.
if you checked out the link i posted above, it says we find out what he whispered next week.
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Holy shit! What an episode!
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I just interpreted it that the virus or whatever had mutated and become airborne.
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I just interpreted it that the virus or whatever had mutated and become airborne.
I don't think it's airborne in the sense that everyone is at risk. I think it has become contagious and can affect someone without being bitten once they die.
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Well obviously. Wouldn't be much of a story if everyone just keeled over and died from an airborne virus.
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I just interpreted it that the virus or whatever had mutated and become airborne.
I don't think it's airborne in the sense that everyone is at risk. I think it has become contagious and can affect someone without being bitten once they die.
That seems like the best answer as of right now.
Well obviously. Wouldn't be much of a story if everyone just keeled over and died from an airborne virus.
I think that's where the virus kind of "activates" when they die, but their brains are still "intact."
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Maybe it is an airborne virus and everyone is infected, but it only activates when you die.
I hope we get some clarification next week.
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Interesting interview with the writers. Apparently, the structure of the season - slower, "soap-ier" first half, more action-filled, fast-paced second half - was planned. The flashback plot from Darabont also sounds like it would have been cool, freshened up each episode a bit, especially in that first half of the season, as long as they hadn't spent too much time on it.
https://www.craveonline.com/tv/interviews/183403-robert-kirkman-and-glen-mazzara-on-the-walking-dead
I personally hope they don't spend much time on this whole airborne virus thing next episode. There's far better stuff for them to be dealing with.
I'm happy Shane is gone. There wasn't much more they could've done with him (well, without completely taking the show into different directions, i.e. him actually joining the other group and sending them against the farm, or something like that) and the Rick/Shane conflict.
I also liked how Shane's final turn was triggered by Carl - telling him instead of Rick about the walker and the gun - and Lori - apologising, etc - giving him false hope.
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They don't have to spend a lot of time on it, they could wrap it up in 2-3 minutes. Maybe what the CDC guy told Rick last year is how the virus spread.
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Yeah, I guess you're right.
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Shane :'( :'( :'(
It didn't cross my mind at all that the virus became airborne, ever since the scene where they focused on Shane cutting himself and his open wound coming in touch with walker blood I figured something might come up with the virus. Then again the same episode with the focus on the two dead unwounded walker cops.
Making the virus airborne would be very lame and I can't think of any interesting plots that can come from that. It's a problem the survivors would be helpless against.
The way I see it is that if you're wounded and your blood comes in contact with walker's blood or rotten tissue then you're infected.
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Kinda glad shane got offed. Guy was a psychopath.
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Who called Shane and Randall's death on the last page? ;)
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I didn't understand all those quick flesh eating cut scenes before we saw Shane turn zombie...
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Who called Shane and Randall's death on the last page? ;)
Who called Dale and Shane's deaths back on page 11? ;)
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Who called Shane and Randall's death on the last page? ;)
Who called Dale and Shane's deaths back on page 11? ;)
Nice one! I've actually been pretty sure about Shane's death for a while, but just had a hunch that it would happen in this episode and not the last.
EDIT: Interesting how T-Dawg had more lines in this episode then in all the other season 2 episodes combined. :lol
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Interesting interview with the writers. Apparently, the structure of the season - slower, "soap-ier" first half, more action-filled, fast-paced second half - was planned. The flashback plot from Darabont also sounds like it would have been cool, freshened up each episode a bit, especially in that first half of the season, as long as they hadn't spent too much time on it.
https://www.craveonline.com/tv/interviews/183403-robert-kirkman-and-glen-mazzara-on-the-walking-dead
I assumed it was AMC's revenge upon people complaining that Mad Men was too slow.
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I liked the brief yet revealing conversation between Rick and Daryl on the porch. Daryl pretty much clarified what a lot of us suspected by telling Rick there 'was no reason he had to do all the heavy lifting'. And I thought it was funny when he said that they wouldn't be trading haymakers on the side of the road, that no one would win doing that. I have always liked Daryls character the best....he's the most 'real' character they have. I hope he sticks around a while and they don't kill em' off to make room for other future characters. Honestly, now with Shane out of the way and not stirring up stuff.....after they escape this walker invasion I don't see why the remaining men won't be able to run things as a more coheasive and smooth unit.
I enjoyed the fact that not only did Rick outwit Shane....which isn't too difficult.....I mean...he had it figured out pretty early on what Shane was up too and I'm sure he developed his ambush the entire walk there.....so not only did he outhink Shane he also decided not to shoot him and just rub it in his face one last time with a good old knife kill....allowing Shane to have some time to realize and think about what just happened to him. One last imasculating act by Rick who had imasculated Shane a couple times already.
I thought it was interesting though on 'The Talking Dead' that the girl who plays Maggie offered her theory that Shane was trying to goad Rick into killing him with all the 'I'm better than you at everything talk.' Like he knew he'd never get what he wanted so he wanted Rick to just end it for him. I'm not down with that one....I think Shane just got owned.....
I'm assuming that large herd of walkers is the same herd that was in the town a few days before (maybe on the highway from the first episode as well)and has been making it's way along ever since. The gun shots and screaming merely gave them something to 'walk' towards. For the fans out there who just want to see zombie killing I'm guessing next weeks finale may give you your fix.
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It is kinda interesting, though, that they kill a bunch of people on the barn, they had a bunch of shooting practices and none of that attracted the walkers. Yet this one shot by Carl got the attention of EVERY walker ever! :lol
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It is kinda interesting, though, that they kill a bunch of people on the barn, they had a bunch of shooting practices and none of that attracted the walkers. Yet this one shot by Carl got the attention of EVERY walker ever! :lol
That's what leads me to believe that the hoard approaching them now is just the group that swarmed the town a few days earlier. Just migrating thier way through....heard a couple gunshots and a yell or two....got their attention and on they go.
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It is kinda interesting, though, that they kill a bunch of people on the barn, they had a bunch of shooting practices and none of that attracted the walkers. Yet this one shot by Carl got the attention of EVERY walker ever! :lol
That's what leads me to believe that the hoard approaching them now is just the group that swarmed the town a few days earlier. Just migrating thier way through....heard a couple gunshots and a yell or two....got their attention and on they go.
They heard Rick crying!
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I didn't understand all those quick flesh eating cut scenes before we saw Shane turn zombie...
Rick's thoughts. Rick knows by now (or at the very least suspects) the virus is airborne/whatever, and that Shane will probably come back. He stays with the corpse waiting. Has to get up to say something to Carl, Shane rises at just the wrong moment.
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I didn't understand all those quick flesh eating cut scenes before we saw Shane turn zombie...
Rick's thoughts. Rick knows by now (or at the very least suspects) the virus is airborne/whatever, and that Shane will probably come back. He stays with the corpse waiting. Has to get up to say something to Carl, Shane rises at just the wrong moment.
That's the way I took it. Also, was it me or did it appear that Zombie Shane almost had a smile on his face as he got closer and closer to Rick......like maybe since he was such a 'fresh' zombie that there may have been some residual memory or purpose still lingering around and when Zombie Shane realized that was Rick in his last little flashes of 'thought' he was like 'I'm going to get him'.
Did anyone else see that little smile?
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*Spoiler*
T-Dog dies in the next episode.
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Goddamnit! Was that in little text? I'm on my phone...
EDIT: Yep... You suck.
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Just something that bugs me...not just in The Walking Dead but in multiple shows/movies etc. Anyone who has ever fired a handgun knows just how difficult it is to maintain accuracy....put a good grouping together. It's tough just standing at a range to do it. So it really bugs me when these characters fire head kill shots from 35-40 foot away, over and over. That's such a hard shot. I know they showed Carl practicing shooting but c'mon....that shot that killed Shane was a difficult shot. Mini gripe over.......
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^^^
In a rather dark (yeah, moonlit but still dark) clearing at that.
Oh, and after Dale was eviscerated just walking around in the field last week, you'd think Carl wouldn't have wandered off like that to meet up with Rick and Shane.
Stupid Carl.
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Just something that bugs me...not just in The Walking Dead but in multiple shows/movies etc. Anyone who has ever fired a handgun knows just how difficult it is to maintain accuracy....put a good grouping together. It's tough just standing at a range to do it. So it really bugs me when these characters fire head kill shots from 35-40 foot away, over and over. That's such a hard shot. I know they showed Carl practicing shooting but c'mon....that shot that killed Shane was a difficult shot. Mini gripe over.......
I know! Seriously! It's ridiculous! And I hate when people get so darn good at it so quickly. :tdwn
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1r9EBlAL1s&feature=related
Might be an interesting video for some here, this guy pretty much explains the whole "is everyone infected?"-question.
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*Spoiler*
T-Dog dies in the next episode.
No! No! No! :censored
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Oh, and after Dale was eviscerated just walking around in the field last week, you'd think Carl wouldn't have wandered off like that to meet up with Rick and Shane.
Stupid Carl.
any normal person wouldn't but I think we've come to accept that Carl is a full blown retard.
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For a brief moment last night, I thought Shane was turning around. When he brought the kid in the woods, I thought we was going to defect with him, and I thought to myself "what a douche". I then thought maybe he was just tricking him in order to find out what his good intentions were, especially when he went to kill him, I thought to myself "man, what a guy, that was effing brilliant!". Then he turned on Rick.
Igot totally lost though when he hid his gun and acted all crazy. Why did he need to hide it? Couldn't he just say the kid took it?
One thing about the whole bit where Carl shot Shane. The camera panned up and showed the house in the background. I don't think Shane would have caused a scene like that so close to the house. I'm thinking Rick awas dragging his body back and then realized that he was changing into a zombie. It makes sense that Carl saw them and ran out, even after the run in with Dayle. He was looking out the window with binoculars after they left. He probably saw his dad dragging Shane and went out to help.
Either way, the next episode looks wayyyy over the top, but it should make for a crazy finale !
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Yeah, idk if this is spoiler material or not, but I can't wait for season 3 when they go to the prison and the (bad guy) governor comes in.
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For a brief moment last night, I thought Shane was turning around. When he brought the kid in the woods, I thought we was going to defect with him, and I thought to myself "what a douche". I then thought maybe he was just tricking him in order to find out what his good intentions were, especially when he went to kill him, I thought to myself "man, what a guy, that was effing brilliant!". Then he turned on Rick.
Igot totally lost though when he hid his gun and acted all crazy. Why did he need to hide it? Couldn't he just say the kid took it?
One thing about the whole bit where Carl shot Shane. The camera panned up and showed the house in the background. I don't think Shane would have caused a scene like that so close to the house. I'm thinking Rick awas dragging his body back and then realized that he was changing into a zombie. It makes sense that Carl saw them and ran out, even after the run in with Dayle. He was looking out the window with binoculars after they left. He probably saw his dad dragging Shane and went out to help.
Either way, the next episode looks wayyyy over the top, but it should make for a crazy finale !
Yeah....I don't know about that. If Rick were dragging Shane then I think they would have shown him dragging him. I think Shane led Rick through the woods to the field just so 'lose' Daryl and Glenn and they would have kept on walking had Rick not called Shane on his 'plan'. Rick knew what was going down from the first scene they were alone when he curioiusly asked Shane 'so he took your gun..huh?'. Rick is/was always smarter than Shane and as much as Shane wanted to believe he was stronger than Rick....Rick is/was tougher.
I'm sure the includance of Carl using the binoculars in two seperate scenes was intentional to offer the reason he knew where they were because he saw them.....But I still think that if Rick had drug Shane they would have shown it. It was a bang bang death scene....then boom.....Carls there......then boom....zombie Shane.
Rick knew Shane was turning into a zombie....those flashes of ravenous zombies were no doubt Ricks mind realizing what was happening to his buddy. He was 'waiting' for it when Carl appeared and distracted him.
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Yeah, idk if this is spoiler material or not, but I can't wait for season 3 when they go to the prison and the (bad guy) governor comes in.
I don't think they'll be going to the prison. I know the Governor is confirmed, but I think they'll meet up with Randall's group. Which I think is Woodbury from the comics. From what Randall said, it does sound a bit like Woodbury.
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Fellas please be careful with spoilers, I asked that a few pages ago. I don't wanna stop coming to this thread to read opinions about the show.
I can also find no single reason why we have to talk about something before it happens on the show unless your internet will be taken away the day of the show.
I haven't read the posts above but I caught a glimpse of someone asking if a post was in small letters or something cause they were still able to read it on the phone.
Please wait til after the episode. And if possible whoever has a spoiler post in this current page could go back and edit it out; I'd really appreciate it.
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Okay metty, I'm recapping stuff we saw in the trailer from the start of the season that gives an idea what may/may not be ahead but if that counts as spoilers then SPOILERS AHEAD
If you go back and watch the trailer from the start of the season, there are some scenes with Shane that we never saw. And the shots in the prison (or what I always assumed people are referring to when they talk about the prison - the wasted desolate red brick building) show both Shane and (if I'm right) Dale still alive.
So maybe we're not getting a prison.
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I tried my best not to sound like I'm bitching and I understand if that's the way most people wanna keep posting here then I'll just avoid the thread. Truly no grudges.
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Kinda glad shane got offed. Guy was a psychopath.
You'd be glad if the offed psychopath was your neighbor or coworker but if it's a psychopath on a T.V show then you just lost an interesting character imo.
I was very sympathetic with Shane up until the last two episodes, when it seemed that he no longer fighting the urge to kill Rick and started actively pursuing it.
Still, losing Shane was very sad for me cause I've been really enjoy the actor's performance, I still think he's the best actor on the show.
Shane was my second favorite character on the show, second only to Daryl. He was a round character that behaved in the most old fashioned self preserving human traits, constantly fought himself over right and wrong and losing more than winning, very interesting to think how he evolved since the apocalypse began from a man not much different from Rick to the incredibly conflicted mess he got to before his death.
I'd at least give the actor an Emmy nomination.
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That opening scene seriously reminded me of Office Space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QPNuV2kPzBw
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That opening scene seriously reminded me of Office Space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QPNuV2kPzBw
Right! As that was playing, I said to my buddy "someone needs to make a parody of that with the music from the printer demolition scene in Office Space".
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I think the writers did a great job following up the death of Dale (the last bastion of 'old world' morals) at the hands of the 'new world'....how that type of thinking and way of life cannot really survive in the new world.......with the death of Shane (barbaric to the point of surviving on primordal instinct and brute force) and how even that extreme is not going to be able to survive in the dynamics of the 'new world'. I thought it was well done and timed out perfectly to fit the season.
Even thought there is one episode to go I am perfectly fine with the tempo of the series and appreciate how it all built and merged together.
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btw that was great rendition of the main theme in the last scene of the episode after Carl shot Shane.
I can't find the main theme anywhere, wish they had it on itunes or something.
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btw that was great rendition of the main theme in the last scene of the episode after Carl shot Shane.
I can't find the main theme anywhere, wish they had it on itunes or something.
I read an interview with Bear McCreary, the composer of the show (who also compose the amazing soundtracks to Battlestar Galactica), where he was saying that it's not really theme, it's more a loop of the same music over and over.
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Just finished watching. That was fucking unbelievably amazingly; surpassed any and all expectations. I'm foaming at the mouth for the next one already and it looks to be like a major shitstorm, which is of course awesome. I can't think of a better or more fitting end for Shane, I don't know how much that death deviated from the comics (I don't think he was a zombie when Carl shot him..?) but it was very well done. I'm also already dreading the wait between seasons because although I enjoyed this season, it kind of feels like it's half-full. There was so much waiting and anticipation for some kind of jolt of action or turn in events that I'm just getting my rocks off and then BAM...we wait again. That's okay though because it was so worth it. Wonderful episode, I really don't think even with all the action it looks like we'll be getting next episode that it will top this one; it was poetry in motion.
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I don't know what it's like in the comic books, but is anyone bothered by the fact that Atlanta is ~55% black, and the show is... not?
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Are they suppose to be around Atlanta right now? I was thinking they went deep into Georgia, away from Atlanta since it was completely overrun, or something.
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Are they suppose to be around Atlanta right now? I was thinking they went deep into Georgia, away from Atlanta since it was completely overrun, or something.
I was referring mostly to the main group, who all came from Atlanta, I thought. Georgia is still ~30% black.
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Are they suppose to be around Atlanta right now? I was thinking they went deep into Georgia, away from Atlanta since it was completely overrun, or something.
I was referring mostly to the main group, who all came from Atlanta, I thought. Georgia is still ~30% black.
You got T-Dawg.
:neverusethis:
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Are they suppose to be around Atlanta right now? I was thinking they went deep into Georgia, away from Atlanta since it was completely overrun, or something.
I was referring mostly to the main group, who all came from Atlanta, I thought. Georgia is still ~30% black.
You got T-Dawg.
:neverusethis:
AW HELL NAW
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btw that was great rendition of the main theme in the last scene of the episode after Carl shot Shane.
I can't find the main theme anywhere, wish they had it on itunes or something.
I read an interview with Bear McCreary, the composer of the show (who also compose the amazing soundtracks to Battlestar Galactica), where he was saying that it's not really theme, it's more a loop of the same music over and over.
Some great music themes were of that nature and were mostly great cause the theme topic fit so well. I remember the theme from Dare Devil movie was like one bar of music that recurres in "on the roof looking at the city" scenes and it worked great how it was. The theme from Matrix was basically one high note :lol
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The Walking Dead theme...metal version. Love it!
https://youtu.be/9dbiumfxPe0
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Some **SPOILERS** for the Finale for anyone who cares. These are from the same guy who revealed Dale, Shane, and Sophia's deaths, so most likely he's right. But please forgive me if they turn out to be wrong. :blush
I repeat. **MAJOR SPOILERS** If you read ahead, it's not my fault...
Shot opens in Atlanta: a group of walkers are feasting on what looks like Rick's horse, or what's left of it, when they're startled by the sound of a helicopter flying overhead. The horde migrates over several days, weeks, a great distance, and eventually comes to a fence. The fence bows and breaks under the relentless forward motion of the walkers. The herd presses on. Wandering aimlessly in the forest, the walkers turn as a gunshot goes off like a beacon, leading them to dinner. Soon they are closing in on Rick and Carl, as they leave the scene of Shane's murder.
Daryl and Glenn arrive back at the farmhouse. They explain that they heard a gunshot, and share their confounding findings about Randall.
As they walk back to the house, Carl asks Rick about what happened to Shane. Soon after, they notice the walkers bearing down on them, and it's not long before they are overtaken and have to make a run for the barn. Back at the house, the rest of the survivors are just figuring out that Carl is missing and walkers are approaching. Lori is panicking. Hershel passes out the guns.
The horde is making quick work of the barn. Rick dumps gasoline everywhere, busts open the door to lure the zombies inside, and climbs up to the loft with Carl. Carl drops a lighter into the gasoline-soaked hay, igniting everything in sight. Meanwhile, the men and Andrea shoot from their cars in a futile attempt to corral the herd and buy time.
Finally, Daryl figures out that Rick and Carl must be in the barn, and instructs Jimmy to drive the RV to the barn to rescue them. Rick and Carl manage to barely escape, while Jimmy is devoured inside the RV. Blood is everywhere, coating the windshield.
The survivors are starting to run out of ammo. The horde is too large.The women hold hands and make a run for it as Hershel makes a last stand for the farmhouse. They are just about clear when Patricia is attacked from the side and is devoured while Beth is still holding onto her.
Carol is headed off by a few walkers and backed into a corner with nothing but a plank of wood to defend herself. Andrea saves her but is attacked from behind and gets pinned under a walker. T-dog pulls his car around, but quickly has to leave the scene with Beth and Lori before the car is overtaken.
Glenn tells Maggie that the farm is lost; they have to get off the farm, now. Hershel comes to the same realization, almost too late, as a walker sneaks up from behind. Rick saves Herschel and they along with Carl head out in their own direction. Glenn and Maggie take off as well. Daryl finds Carol about to collapse from running, and they speed off together on Daryl's motorcycle. Andrea is abandoned. The barn collapses into the flames. And we're not even halfway done.
The group is now scattered. Glenn and Maggie switch places in the car as Maggie breaks down and can't continue driving. Glenn says they need to make their way to the highway, but Maggie protests that the herd came from that direction. Glenn finally tells Maggie that he loves her.
Rick, Carl, and Hershel arrive at the highway, where they left the care package for Sophia, hoping that the others will think to rendezvous here. Hershel is ready to part ways, but Rick wants to stick together.
Lori and T-Dog argue over where to drive. T-Dog wants to head to the coast, but Lori threatens to jump out of the car if he doesn't turn around and go back to the highway.
A walker appears on the highway. Rick is about to give up on waiting any longer, but… in the nick of time, the other survivors arrive. Time for a head count:
Shane - dead
Andrea - missing
Patricia - taken by the walkers
Jimmy - splattered all over the RV
Meanwhile, Andrea is running for her life in the woods, but the walkers pursue her tirelessly. She can't keep this up for long. Walkers are emerging from the trees in random directions as Andrea shoots to clear a path.
The survivors leave the highway, pushing onward, but soon run out of gas. Several people start to panic and are on the verge of giving up. Rick tries to pull everyone together. The conversation turns to Randall and Shane. Rick has to come clean. He reveals that the secret Jenner whispered to him at the CDC was that everyone is a carrier of the infection. The group is not happy that Rick has kept this from them.
Lori and Rick talk privately. Rick tells her what went down with Shane, and confesses that it wasn't just self-defense… he wanted Shane dead, he was tired of Shane dogging him and acting like Rick stole Lori and Carl from him. Lori freaks out when she finds out Carl's role in Shane's death and withdraws from Rick, refusing to let him touch her.
Andrea is exhausted. This is the end of the line. She can't carry her gun-bag any longer, her pistol is out of ammo -- she bashes in a walker's head with it -- now she's down to knives, another walker practically on top of her… enter Michonne to save Andrea at the last minute, towing two armless walkers in chains, samurai sword in hand.
The rest of the survivors set up camp in the middle of nowhere. They may have found each other again amid the chaos, but the group is still broken. Many are ready to run off into the dark and leave Rick behind, fend for themselves. They are on the verge of splitting up again, when Rick takes back control... he says they're not going anywhere; he killed his best friend for them. This isn't a democracy anymore.
The camera pans up… in the distance looms a prison facility.
End of Season 2
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edit: quoted instead of editing....
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Some **SPOILERS** for the Finale for anyone who cares. These are from the same guy who revealed Dale, Shane, and Sophia's deaths, so most likely he's right. But please forgive me if they turn out to be wrong. :blush
I repeat. **MAJOR SPOILERS** If you read ahead, it's not my fault...
Shot opens in Atlanta: a group of walkers are feasting on what looks like Rick's horse, or what's left of it, when they're startled by the sound of a helicopter flying overhead. The horde migrates over several days, weeks, a great distance, and eventually comes to a fence. The fence bows and breaks under the relentless forward motion of the walkers. The herd presses on. Wandering aimlessly in the forest, the walkers turn as a gunshot goes off like a beacon, leading them to dinner. Soon they are closing in on Rick and Carl, as they leave the scene of Shane's murder.
Daryl and Glenn arrive back at the farmhouse. They explain that they heard a gunshot, and share their confounding findings about Randall.
As they walk back to the house, Carl asks Rick about what happened to Shane. Soon after, they notice the walkers bearing down on them, and it's not long before they are overtaken and have to make a run for the barn. Back at the house, the rest of the survivors are just figuring out that Carl is missing and walkers are approaching. Lori is panicking. Hershel passes out the guns.
The horde is making quick work of the barn. Rick dumps gasoline everywhere, busts open the door to lure the zombies inside, and climbs up to the loft with Carl. Carl drops a lighter into the gasoline-soaked hay, igniting everything in sight. Meanwhile, the men and Andrea shoot from their cars in a futile attempt to corral the herd and buy time.
Finally, Daryl figures out that Rick and Carl must be in the barn, and instructs Jimmy to drive the RV to the barn to rescue them. Rick and Carl manage to barely escape, while Jimmy is devoured inside the RV. Blood is everywhere, coating the windshield.
The survivors are starting to run out of ammo. The horde is too large.The women hold hands and make a run for it as Hershel makes a last stand for the farmhouse. They are just about clear when Patricia is attacked from the side and is devoured while Beth is still holding onto her.
Carol is headed off by a few walkers and backed into a corner with nothing but a plank of wood to defend herself. Andrea saves her but is attacked from behind and gets pinned under a walker. T-dog pulls his car around, but quickly has to leave the scene with Beth and Lori before the car is overtaken.
Glenn tells Maggie that the farm is lost; they have to get off the farm, now. Hershel comes to the same realization, almost too late, as a walker sneaks up from behind. Rick saves Herschel and they along with Carl head out in their own direction. Glenn and Maggie take off as well. Daryl finds Carol about to collapse from running, and they speed off together on Daryl's motorcycle. Andrea is abandoned. The barn collapses into the flames. And we're not even halfway done.
The group is now scattered. Glenn and Maggie switch places in the car as Maggie breaks down and can't continue driving. Glenn says they need to make their way to the highway, but Maggie protests that the herd came from that direction. Glenn finally tells Maggie that he loves her.
Rick, Carl, and Hershel arrive at the highway, where they left the care package for Sophia, hoping that the others will think to rendezvous here. Hershel is ready to part ways, but Rick wants to stick together.
Lori and T-Dog argue over where to drive. T-Dog wants to head to the coast, but Lori threatens to jump out of the car if he doesn't turn around and go back to the highway.
A walker appears on the highway. Rick is about to give up on waiting any longer, but… in the nick of time, the other survivors arrive. Time for a head count:
Shane - dead
Andrea - missing
Patricia - taken by the walkers
Jimmy - splattered all over the RV
Meanwhile, Andrea is running for her life in the woods, but the walkers pursue her tirelessly. She can't keep this up for long. Walkers are emerging from the trees in random directions as Andrea shoots to clear a path.
The survivors leave the highway, pushing onward, but soon run out of gas. Several people start to panic and are on the verge of giving up. Rick tries to pull everyone together. The conversation turns to Randall and Shane. Rick has to come clean. He reveals that the secret Jenner whispered to him at the CDC was that everyone is a carrier of the infection. The group is not happy that Rick has kept this from them.
Lori and Rick talk privately. Rick tells her what went down with Shane, and confesses that it wasn't just self-defense… he wanted Shane dead, he was tired of Shane dogging him and acting like Rick stole Lori and Carl from him. Lori freaks out when she finds out Carl's role in Shane's death and withdraws from Rick, refusing to let him touch her.
Andrea is exhausted. This is the end of the line. She can't carry her gun-bag any longer, her pistol is out of ammo -- she bashes in a walker's head with it -- now she's down to knives, another walker practically on top of her… enter Michonne to save Andrea at the last minute, towing two armless walkers in chains, samurai sword in hand.
The rest of the survivors set up camp in the middle of nowhere. They may have found each other again amid the chaos, but the group is still broken. Many are ready to run off into the dark and leave Rick behind, fend for themselves. They are on the verge of splitting up again, when Rick takes back control... he says they're not going anywhere; he killed his best friend for them. This isn't a democracy anymore.
The camera pans up… in the distance looms a prison facility.
End of Season 2
Any word on what happens to Beth? She's kinda cute, it'd be a shame if she got taken/killed.
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I can't decide whether or not I am utterly ticked off or overjoyed and excited to have read that spoiler :huh: I SUCK at self control when it comes to finding out about shows I like......I ruined the entire 3rd season of LOST that way once I found individual episode descriptions online. So, Metroploaris, I guess I say Thanks??? Or, Damn you......either way......can't wait to watch the Finale.
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I haven't read it, nor will I until I see the finale.
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I haven't read it, nor will I until I see the finale.
Nor do I see the need to. How are you guys enjoying this more that way?!
The Walking Dead theme...metal version. Love it!
https://youtu.be/9dbiumfxPe0
That's pretty awesome. Nice job done there.
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Any word on what happens to Beth? She's kinda cute, it'd be a shame if she got taken/killed.
It doesn't say anything aboot her dying or getting lost, so I would assume she stays with Herschel and the group. If she does live, I hope they make her a bigger character in Season 3.
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Season Finale tonight :D
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Due to March Madness, I'm recording the show and will be watching it later tonight. Can't wait to see what happens!
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Due to March Madness, I'm recording the show and will be watching it later tonight. Can't wait to see what happens!
UR DOIN IT WRUUUNG! :P
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Due to March Madness, I'm recording the show and will be watching it later tonight. Can't wait to see what happens!
UR DOIN IT WRUUUNG! :P
You're doing it wrong. :P
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I can't wait. I predict Hershal is going to die tonight.
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So far this episode is kicking ass.
I bet they are really glad they spent all the time fortifying and boarding up the farm house...
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OK. For real, fuck Lori and the high horse she's riding on.
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Oh shit!!! Michonne!!!! :caffeine:
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"this isn't a democracy anymore"
and Lori, go fuck yourself. I was half expecting her to say "how could you kill the man I loved"
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Oh shit!!! Michonne!!!! :caffeine:
Best character intro ever!
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Fuck yes!! I am now excited for the next season! They're going to the prison and Michonne is on the show!! Which means I can't wait to seen on screen what she does on issue 33...
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Oh shit!!! Michonne!!!! :caffeine:
Not familiar with the comics, but a friend of mine mentioned this character before. Season 3 cannot come soon enough
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FUCK YES MICHONNE.
FUCK YES THE PRISON.
FUCK YOU LORI.
FUCK WE HAVE TO WAIT TIL OCTOBER FOR A NEW EPISODE.
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FUCK WE HAVE TO WAIT TIL OCTOBER FOR A NEW EPISODE.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :censored
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Oh shit!!! Michonne!!!! :caffeine:
Not familiar with the comics, but a friend of mine mentioned this character before. Season 3 cannot come soon enough
She's a total fucking badass is what she is!!!
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That was a pretty gd amazing episode, just a good ole fashion bloody dance . This show is going to the dark side. Well, darker side I should say. The shot of the prison and the last shot of Michonne were just perfect. cannot wait!
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Rush Limbaugh needs to talk about Lori.
Episode was cool but I didn't enjoy it as much as I thought I would.
Glad the comic book fans got a character they wanted to see but to me this was the first time in The Walking Dead that I saw a human that disconnects me from the real world feeling -with normal people- the show has been set at so far. As soon as I saw an epic Asian arts kinda sword and a human figure with the hood hiding her face; this went to a more this-is-not-here world. I dunno if I explain myself clearly but I'm talking about how everything that made The Walking Dead enjoyable to me is how real and "here" everything is, from the abandoned cities and highways to the people and how normal they are.
And I have no idea what the prison refers to but as long as they don't spend the whole next season in it like they did the farm then I'm good.
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The guys in the robe kinda killed the episode for me :/
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What guys in the robe?
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That's where you guys are mistaken. Michonne may be a badass, but she's got here own baggage to deal with as well. So chill with judging a character from the first appearance. There's a reason why she's actually loved by fans of the book.
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The guys in the robe kinda killed the episode for me :/
It was one person, a woman.
And this:
That's where you guys are mistaken. Michonne may be a badass, but she's got here own baggage to deal with as well. So chill with judging a character from the first appearance. There's a reason why she's actually loved by fans of the book.
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So next season should be fun. Looks like the show might be taking a darker turn.
Also, I pretty much expect Lori to just be a completely irrational bitch by now.
Also, did anyone else see Steven Yeun's AMA (Ask Me Anything) a few days ago on a certain website which I'm not sure if I can mention here?
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That's where you guys are mistaken. Michonne may be a badass, but she's got here own baggage to deal with as well. So chill with judging a character from the first appearance. There's a reason why she's actually loved by fans of the book.
I don't see a reason to be mad. The whole scene with the robed person was incredibly cheesy and lame.
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It was a pretty meh episode overall.
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Basically what Chino and MasterLomaxus said combined with my previous post.
That's where you guys are mistaken. Michonne may be a badass, but she's got here own baggage to deal with as well. So chill with judging a character from the first appearance. There's a reason why she's actually loved by fans of the book.
She might have emotional baggage but she's still doesn't fit at all into this world for non-comic book fans of Walking Dead. Being a real life bad ass that's Rick, Shane and maybe Daryl is even pushing it a little bit but still acceptable, you show up -as I said before- with a katana sword and a hood hiding your face standing in a superhero pose then you cross into the kinda bad ass that belongs in the Resident Evil movies or something.
But I'll keep an open mind, one scene isn't enough to judge what they'll do with the character next. I looked up who's playing her after the episode ended and I was terrified to learn that the colossal bitch from True Blood has been rumored to have the role but by near the end of Talking Dead Robert Kirkman actually announced the name of the actress who's playing Michonne and her name is ridiculously impossible to spell for me but it's not the bitch from True Blood. Dodged a bullet there.
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Overall two great episodes to close out the season. I was actually flying back from Scotland last weekend, and there were about 8 people on my flight talking about the show. :biggrin:
As for season three, it was this section of the comic that took a really dark and laborious turn for me. I see that the "Governor" character has already been cast, and tonights episode has Michonne showing up EXACTLY as she did in the comic with her two armless "pets" (sic) in tow. I just hope it doesn't follow it so close that Rick loses his hand next year like in the comic. I think a disability like that would be too tough to pull off realistcally or convincingly for the show.
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Episode was pretty good. Could see some of the things coming though. Really excited about S3 at least, even if it ends up like the S2 but with a prison instead of the farm, a prison is still a more interesting place to see.
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I am pleased with season 2. Looking back over the season as a whole I can understand the build up to the last 3 or 4 episodes now. Would I have liked the pace to have been a bit quicker, sure, but all in all I am completely satisfies.
I absolutely loved the last scene where Rick just owns everyone that was left and sets them straight. He did exactly what a lot of us wanted him to the entire season. It's like he was trying desperately not to cross that line afor the longest time (all season) and still hold on to some sort of 'normal', but now he's just blew past that line and set it straight. I haven't read the comics but it looks as if he may have just jumped up a level of bad-assery.
I want to punch Lori in the throat. She dares Rick to take care of Shane and then gets all ticked off when he does. I'm assuming it's because she knows it's her fault when you boil down to it. I'm interested/curious to see how Rick's relationship with Lori and Carl will be next season. I have a feeling that Carl will be a bit more forgiving....but Lori....they have really turned her character into a major "B"
Daryl is awesome. Bottom line. My favorite character on the show. Loved his response(s) to (forgot her name) when she was like...."We need to go, how could he lie to us"....Daryls' like 'Ricks done right by me', and the whole "We need a man with honor"....Daryls' response....."Rick does have honor". I like the fact that Daryl is clearly in Ricks corner.
One thing I was 'confused' about is that hoard that was chasing Andrea. Were they 'chasing' her or was that such a large hoard that they were just everywhere? I mean, I would think that a healthy, alive Andrea could outrun some crippled, dead Walkers. I guess it was just a huge herd.
I don't mind the Michonne characters entrance at all. I mean, if I were a 'loner' in that world, I'd probably develop some weird persona as well. And the Katana makes perfect sense being all you have to do is knock out the brain on the walkers. Katana never runs out of bullets and is silent. Just needs sharpening. It's the perfect weapon for that world. I'm anxious to learn whey the comic book fans are so in love with her.
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I'm intrigued how the show will portray Michonne and The Governor since they are a bit fantastical or "comic book-ey" for this more "real" characterization the show is going for.
For what it's worth, the katana and the 2 zombies in toll have an explanation. They're not just there for show.
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For what it's worth, the katana and the 2 zombies in toll have an explanation. They're not just there for show.
Having never read the comics....my guess is it is for camoflauge......to blend in 'scent' wise. With no arms or jaws I can't see what else they'd be good for.
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They should've called this episode "Eating a Dead Horse."
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That was the best hour of television I have ever seen. I loved every second. Bravissimo! Exciting, sad, exhilarating, and downright badass at times. I don't think I could ask for much more. I'm already foaming at the mouth for more.
I watched the finale at a friends house with a bunch of people, and whenever Michonne shows up, I said aloud "Oh damn, she's a necromancer with zombie summons!" and someone else yelled "GOD DAMN IT YOU JUST RUINED IT FOR US WHO DON'T KNOW THE COMICS!" and then a few other ignorant foolies subsequently were confused and got all fussy at me. :rollin Necromancers... really? Yes, that is what's going to happen; right after the witches. I went with it too, there were a couple of people who rolled their eyes but this dude and his girlfriend completely believed me and I went on and on about how sorry I was and that I'd read the comics after getting into the show and that Necromancers are introduced in season 3. Ch'yeah, then fucking Bill Compton starts a zombie bed and breakfast.
Random...er but yeah, great time; amazing finale. Only one to beat it is Breaking Bad.
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Lori and Carl are the biggest douchenozzles on the show.
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Lori and Carl are the biggest douchenozzles on the show.
Damn right. Lori has straight up lost it (Hey Rick *rubs boobs on him* go kill Shane. *Rick tells her* >:( :censored ... ???), and CARL GET BACK IN THE HOUSE. *Runs into a zombie's arms crying* :sadpanda:.
Luckily they weren't shown all that much this episode aside from the ending, which we needed for the 1% of zombie fan-girls who also want a romantic connection and thus need to see a woman as bat-shit insane as they are.
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It's really only 'small' details that bug me about the show. Like them running out of gas. Really? There are countless vehicles on the highway to siphon gas from, I understand they did it once earlier, but still...there's no way they siphoned 'all' of it. Why take off on a journey to nowhere basically with anything but full tanks of gas in every vehicle? Or even trade up for a 'better' vehicle. I don't expect them to 'show' me the group doing stuff like that....I would think that would be a standard move in that world...to constantly upgrade and scavange.
And I will always remain ticked and perplexed at the level of marksmanship these people have with firearms. I can accept it from Rick or even Shane when he was still kickin'. But the likes of Carl, Glenn, Lori and Andrea being friggin' Annie Oakley's and Doc Holliday's will continue to bug me forever......
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Lori and Carl are the biggest douchenozzles on the show.
for the 1% of zombie fan-girls who also want a romantic connection and thus need to see a woman as bat-shit insane as they are.
So show more of Darryl and Carol (lolphonetic rhymes). I may not love 'em, but at least they don't make me wanna wedge a pickaxe between my own eyes.
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That was the best hour of television I have ever seen.
*snip*
Random...er but yeah, great time; amazing finale. Only one to beat it is Breaking Bad.
Saying one thing and then immediately contradicting it? You sound like Lori.
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SHUT UP, PIG! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND MY BLOODY VAGINA! I LOVE YOU. IT WASN'T EVEN IMMEDIATE YOU JUST SNIPPED IT AND WANT TO MAKE EVERYONE HATE ME. ALL OF YOU.
ALL OF YOU!
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The episode was fucking amazing. Can someone give a little more background about this Michonne character?
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(https://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/3442328_460s.jpg) :biggrin:
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The episode was fucking amazing. Can someone give a little more background about this Michonne character?
I'll try not to spoil anything here...
She's basically a kick ass black chick who's had sword training before the ZA. Once all hell broke lose, she stole a Katana from her neighbor's son.(He just happens to collect swords.....yeah....) And IIRC the 2 zombies with her are her Boyfriend and best friend. She cut off their lower jaws and arms so they wouldn't attack. I'm pretty sure they're there for scent, to repel other zombies. She plays a pretty big role in the comics.
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I watched the finale at a friends house with a bunch of people, and whenever Michonne shows up, I said aloud "Oh damn, she's a necromancer with zombie summons!" and someone else yelled "GOD DAMN IT YOU JUST RUINED IT FOR US WHO DON'T KNOW THE COMICS!"
This has been happening to me often in this thread.
At least people who know spoilers make some effort to not ruin it for others, they change the font and the converse in respects to others which is great but the comic book readers who say something like "Oh I see it happened exactly like it happened in the comics again! I wonder if this, this and that which happened in the comics as well would be on the show" what do you think?! They've already done it and followed close to the comic several times! why would they stop at the new information that you posted casually and that I would have preferred not knowing! :lol
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That was a fun episode. I really don't mind the katana chick, seems like an interesting character.
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(https://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4243/derplwwj.jpg)
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Guinea Pig linked a story over in the TV thread that this season finale brought in 9 Million viewers!!!! :omg: Unreal! This show ain't be going anywhere for some time I'd think....
I commented over in that thread that apparently the drawn out 'slow' farm episodes in the first half of the season didn't scare too many people away....maybe just made them thirst for more.
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I think it's the zombies.
I'd be willing to wager we'll see at least 6-7 seasons of The Walking Dead. Provided that the viewers stick around, of course. I'd also bet that it will lead to a reshaping of AMC's brand. Previously, AMC was presenting itself as the new HBO, home of cerebral stuff like the best two dramas on TV. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if they're going to go after similar mass-appeal, action-oriented, young male oriented programs.
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They really don't have to go that way, though. I mean, the variety would bring different viewers for different reasons. But I don't know if they'll see it that way business-wise.
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I'd be willing to wager we'll see at least 6-7 seasons of The Walking Dead. Provided that the viewers stick around, of course. I'd also bet that it will lead to a reshaping of AMC's brand. Previously, AMC was presenting itself as the new HBO, home of cerebral stuff like the best two dramas on TV. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if they're going to go after similar mass-appeal, action-oriented, young male oriented programs.
I think 6-7 seasons is a fair guess. Especially if they shoot 18 episodes per season.
I'd love to see AMC create a killer Sci-Fi show....something that eliminates the cheese factor the majority of the SyFy Channels shows has (BTW I love the cheese factor shows) I'm just saying....to me....AMC produces quality shows. Sure there are some minor flaws here and there but overall it's a quality product...well done. It'd be neat to see them give us a good old Sci Fi series. Don't know what angle would be best, but I bet it would be done well.
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I'd be willing to wager we'll see at least 6-7 seasons of The Walking Dead. Provided that the viewers stick around, of course. I'd also bet that it will lead to a reshaping of AMC's brand. Previously, AMC was presenting itself as the new HBO, home of cerebral stuff like the best two dramas on TV. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if they're going to go after similar mass-appeal, action-oriented, young male oriented programs.
I think 6-7 seasons is a fair guess. Especially if they shoot 18 episodes per season.
I'd love to see AMC create a killer Sci-Fi show....something that eliminates the cheese factor the majority of the SyFy Channels shows has (BTW I love the cheese factor shows) I'm just saying....to me....AMC produces quality shows. Sure there are some minor flaws here and there but overall it's a quality product...well done. It'd be neat to see them give us a good old Sci Fi series. Don't know what angle would be best, but I bet it would be done well.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them do a sci-fi show. The reasons for picking up Mad Men was essentially an opportunity to cross-promote with their airings of '50s and '60s movies they bought the rights to on the cheap. The idea for Breaking Bad was to have a show similar in tone to the classic anti-hero movies of the '70s. They could plausibly do the same with sci-fi movies.
They really don't have to go that way, though. I mean, the variety would bring different viewers for different reasons. But I don't know if they'll see it that way business-wise.
The Walking Dead is the first show for AMC to actually make money. The way the cable network scheme works, the idea with making a show like Breaking Bad or Mad Men is not to earn money in their own right; it's to draw viewers in with those great shows, and then make money off the ads for old movies. Similarly, FX shows like Justified aren't profitable from the ad money it draws; it's re-runs of Two and a Half Men where the actual cash is made. Previously, shows on basic cable were basically intended to raise awareness of the network and develop a "brand" that would draw subscribers and viewers. That The Walking Dead is hugely profitable (and that it's an in-house production) represents a paradigm shift for AMC. I don't see why they wouldn't try to re-organize their programming in the future around similar shows.
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I'm not sure if the prison will be a good or a bad thing. I don't consider this a spoiler, but if you look at how long time they spent at the farm VS time spent at the prison in the comic, and the fact that they spent a whole season on the farm in the series, we're looking into at least ONE season at the prison, possibly more. While a prison is more interesting to see, after a few episodes it gets dull with the same environment.
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I'm not sure if the prison will be a good or a bad thing. I don't consider this a spoiler, but if you look at how long time they spent at the farm VS time spent at the prison in the comic, and the fact that they spent a whole season on the farm in the series, we're looking into at least ONE season at the prison, possibly more. While a prison is more interesting to see, after a few episodes it gets dull with the same environment.
I reacall reading that due to some of the budget cuts they were building a 'set' for the prison and do plan on the show being set in that location and backdrop for some time. Whether or not it's the entire third season I guess we will see, but I bet that it will be at least half the season....more likely like you said and it will be the entire third season. I'm unfamiliar with the duration they are at the prison in the comics being I haven't read them, but I did hear that the 'farm' in the comics was pretty much a quick hit....and we witnessed how long it took them to get off the farm in the series.
If the prison backdrop takes some time in the comics then I think it's safe to say that they will be there the entire third season. I really don't mind....as long as it is good. From what I can tell from the cryptic comments of those who have read the comics....the prison 'sequence' is rather dark and disturbing. If they maintain that vein and mood then I can look past them being 'stuck' in the same location in order to explore a different side of people and develop these characters more.
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What this series needs more than anything is consistent characterization. That's up to the showrunner, and so far both have failed miserably. "Slow" series can work, and they can be phenomenal. It's OK for things not to be action-oriented. But for the characters to even begin to be compelling, they have to be consistent, they have to have coherent motivation, and they can't merely be empty vessels or plot devices. The showrunner's got to establish long-term arcs and motivations, and make sure the writers know them. The great advantage of television over movies is length; by spending 13 hours with characters rather than 2, there's a chance to more fully flesh out what makes them tick, make them more interesting and nuanced, and have viewers form an emotional bond with them. The biggest failure of The Walking Dead imo is that this advantage seems to have never been grasped by its creative team; instead, 2 hours of action gets spread out to 13, and the extra space is filled with what amounts to random flits of characterization that never approaches a compelling or coherent whole.
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I completely agree with that.
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This is semi-walking dead / zombie related.
In August I have signed up to run in a 'zombie race' here in StL. The premise is you begin the race with a flag football type belt on with 4 flags. The race starts and you begin to run, all the while sprinkled throughout the course there are people who have been 'zombified' that will chase you and try to rip off your flags.
The course will be anywhere from a 5k to 10k race, depending on the choices you make in trails while running, and there are 30 obstacles thrown in there as well. You can find extra 'life' that is hidden out in the course as well. Prizes are handed out for various categories like time finished, most life and so on.
It sounds pretty fun. If anyone happens to be in the StL area and thinks this sounds fun, PM me and I will give you the link. I'd post it but I am unsure if it has bannable material on it or not.
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I bet Lori's baby is going to have immunity because shes infected already. The baby will be the saving grace of humanity.
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I bet Lori's baby is going to have immunity because shes infected already. The baby will be the saving grace of humanity.
Dayuuuum, nice thought! That'd be awesome. But I gotta say, I'd like it so much more if it popped out already a zombie (screw the Dawn of the Dead remake...or whatever zombie movie that was in which a lady birthed a zombie).
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I want to see her just randomly drop in agony and have a baby rip through her stomach in front of Carl.
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I want to see her just randomly drop in agony and have a baby rip through her stomach in front of Carl.
And then the baby eats Carl, and the rest of the group lives happily ever after.
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I bet Lori's baby is going to have immunity because shes infected already. The baby will be the saving grace of humanity.
Without spoiling anything, we'll see if the TV show has the same situation as the comics had when it came to Lori's baby.
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I bet Lori's baby is going to have immunity because shes infected already. The baby will be the saving grace of humanity.
Without spoiling anything, we'll see if the TV show has the same situation as the comics had when it came to Lori's baby.
This. I've kinda liked the places where the show has deviated from the comics though.
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I saw the finale yesterday. Very obvious more characters were going to die and good choice of going with the ones that were barely in at all. Rick basically became the new Shane even though its Shane and Lori's fault. Lori is such bitch shes the one that kept telling Rick that Shane was dangerous and he should do anything it takes to protect the family. She has no right to react the way she did. To me it also makes no difference that everyone is infected and will become Walkers when they die without getting bitten or scratched.
No idea whats up with the hooded person who we think is a chick. Co worker said that maybe the person is a big character from the comic. Wouldn't be surprised but I don't plan on checking up on it. I want to know during the 3rd season.
There's no democracy its now a "Ricktatorship"
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I saw the finale yesterday. Very obvious more characters were going to die and good choice of going with the ones that were barely in at all. Rick basically became the new Shane even though its Shane and Lori's fault. Lori is such bitch shes the one that kept telling Rick that Shane was dangerous and he should do anything it takes to protect the family. She has no right to react the way she did. To me it also makes no difference that everyone is infected and will become Walkers when they die without getting bitten or scratched.
No idea whats up with the hooded person who we think is a chick. Co worker said that maybe the person is a big character from the comic. Wouldn't be surprised but I don't plan on checking up on it. I want to know during the 3rd season.
There's no democracy its now a "Ricktatorship"
:rollin Fucking awesome name.
Also, I watched the finale (for like the fourth time) and I realized something...I really, really don't think that Lori was all up in arms over the fact that Rick killed Shane. If you watch her facial reactions, you can clearly see that she's distressed over the fact that Rick killed Shane and he 'wanted him dead'; however, she doesn't lose it until Rick mentions the fact that it was Carl who 'put Shane down'. At that very moment she begins to back away from Rick and doesn't want him to touch her, etc. etc. I think this is the true reason that she's disgusted with Rick. Which is still a bit ludicrous considering Rick had no part in letting Carl kill Shane (again) but I think she may see it in a way that Rick should have protected Carl from "killing" someone, as it's his first time. This makes a lot more sense to me, and in general regarding her character and the way she egged Rick on to kill Shane. It makes perfect sense for her to lose her composure and logic whenever she hears that her child has killed the man who was a big part of their life.
This makes me not hate Lori as much, and after watching the finale over and over I really think this is the reason why she's upset; not over the fact that Rick killed Shane and that he wanted him dead. Because then...well as people have said, it'd either have to be that the writers just decided to make Lori a complete psycho or someone on the writing staff really fucked up and just destroyed her character entirely. Both seem pretty unlikely to me, and after seeing her reaction of snapping right when Rick mentions that Carl was involved, it almost solidified that as fact for me. That said, she's still a crazy bitch; but at least she's not a completely psychotic manipulator as I thought previously. We'll see in S3... But yeah, I had to get that out cause that stuck out like a sore thumb when I did notice it; and obviously they filmed that scene for the viewers to be able to see both character's expressions. Here's hoping she's less of a puppeteer and more of a mom later on.
Anyone else notice this or think something similar or am I just defending psycho-bitch-mum?
P.S. I couldn't help it and I just read a shitload about the comics. This does not make me disappoint because the comics and the show are pretty much two entirely different monsters; both equally badass. But I really want to read the comic now.
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Yeah she did really lose it when Carl was mentioned. All this talk about protecting their family yet they let Carl run off by himself many times. She's mad that he was involved? Comon!
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Have you never met a mother? They're the most irrational beings in existence. No matter how shitty they are, no matter how at fault, if they think their child is in danger of dying, all bets are off. Also, they didn't 'let Carl run off'. He's a fucking kid. C'mon! Kids run off whether their parents watch them like hawks or not. I'm not saying they couldn't have done better but they can't be there 24/7, just like a parent in this world...and in this world we don't have the living dead to worry about. I've got two younger sisters and raised them throughout their entire childhood whilst my own cunt of a mother drank herself to hell and my dad was out of town 90% of the time; I also watched them as if the moment I lost sight of them they'd die...somehow, they still found a way to sneak away and have the other cover for them while I juggled other responsibilities (like killing walkers). Case in point: Rick could have locked Carl in a room the entire time and he'd still find a way to get out and explore, it's what every single child on this Earth does best. Even in a world of undead, kids will be kids and the parents can't really do jack shit about it. I agree that they're misspoken and they're not the best parents, but people blow that shit out of proportion. He's old enough and certainly cunning enough to play the escape artist and roam whenever everyone is occupied.
Carl may be a fool for wandering off in that world but he's also a child with a lot more freedom than children living in the 'real' world; that kind of freedom gives a false sense of maturity. No law, no order, hardly any parenting thanks to Rick being the leader of a large group and his mother being, as Carol so eloquently put it, 'The first lady'... Oh, and fucking zombies. The adults have a lot more to think about than just their children, and while it's obviously a top priority, their precious babies won't matter if a pack or another herd of walkers sneaks up; at that point they are all dead. This reality gives Carl all the freedom in the world, and despite the fact that people rag on him like he's retarded, he isn't. He's a pansy and he isn't the brightest, but once again, one can't actually expect a child to have the forethought of an adult. Yeah, Lori is irrational, her and every other mother on the face of the planet; but it makes a hell of a lot more sense than her getting up in arms over a fact that she spurred into motion. She and Rick aren't going to win parents of the year, but they've done what they can with how full their plate is, and Carl is old enough to be out on his own, yet young enough to ignorantly think himself maturer than he is. If Carl had killed a random walker, I'm sure that Lori would still be freaking out, but she wouldn't be angry at Rick like she is now. It's clear to me that she sees what Carl did as a turning point for his actual maturing and lost it over the fact that Carl is growing up much faster than a child should, along with the fact that he popped his murder cherry by killing a mentor, a former fatherly figure, and a family friend, all in front of his father; no matter how fucked up that man may have been, in the eyes of Lori it was still 'Shane'. She also doesn't have a clue on how it went down.
Either way, whatevs, I'm just tossing around ideas. Tis late. Time to dream of walkers.
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I bet Lori's baby is going to have immunity because shes infected already. The baby will be the saving grace of humanity.
Without spoiling anything, we'll see if the TV show has the same situation as the comics had when it came to Lori's baby.
This. I've kinda liked the places where the show has deviated from the comics though.
I've had no problem with them, but this one, I hope they don't!
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I bet Lori's baby is going to have immunity because shes infected already. The baby will be the saving grace of humanity.
Without spoiling anything, we'll see if the TV show has the same situation as the comics had when it came to Lori's baby.
This. I've kinda liked the places where the show has deviated from the comics though.
I've had no problem with them, but this one, I hope they don't!
No shit... I read about it last night and just... Damn. Day. Um. I'm confident they'll make it their own as they have thus far, though. That's one comic book point that I hope is skewed in the show. I really did not expect the comics to be that dark whenever I first started reading up on 'em.
Now time to actually read 'em... I picked up the first couple issues earlier today. YAY COMICS! I haven't read an American comic in so, so long. It's all been those crazy Japs.
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Yeah, when I read that issue I actually stopped after that panel and started thinking: "They actually had the balls to do that?!"
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That is sweet. I'm watching the series over right now; currently on episode 3 of S1. God, I can't wait till S3, especially now that I've read all the comics. Which took me all of two days. That shit is addictive, it's a very well written comic. Here's hoping they don't fuck up the third batch of episodes.
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Only a moron could crash :lol
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I leave for Cali on the 21st. I thought I'd get some reading material.... All 15 volumes. I can't wait to start reading them!
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Reading books on the iPad is a pleasure, nice selection there :tup
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This isn't really Walking Dead related but what the hell, I think more people that could enjoy it would get to see it.
I recently stumbled upon an audio drama called "We're Alive" and of course it's about zombies. It is really well made, very well acted by multiple actors, sound effects - really high production. The story is also good, it is the basic survival story that every zombie movie is based upon but that's where similarities end - it is also very character driven, it's about them and their attempts to survive. Something like what Season 2 tried to pull out but without the shit and the boring and with actually really good and interesting characters. I really enjoy it far more than I ever did TWD tv show.
It's available for free (download or stream, streaming is lower quality though) at https://www.zombiepodcast.com/ as well as on Amazon in audio cd form without any introductions or sponsor plugs/ads at the end of each part. I very highly recommend checking out at least the first few chapters. There are very interesting twists, something I haven't seen in zombie movies before. It's definitely the best zombie material I've been exposed to thus far.
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Oh, by the way, Merle will be coming back...
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Comic con trailer for Season 3 (https://youtu.be/V9_lkap-uFA)
Why was I more excited about it before I saw this trailer? I killed off a good portion of my anticipation for some reason.
I have a request fellas, please whoever is gonna start the season 3 thread to put "Spoiler Free" in the title, no body says or hints at anything that hasn't been aired yet.
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Only a moron could crash :lol
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Comic con trailer for Season 3 (https://youtu.be/V9_lkap-uFA)
Why was I more excited about it before I saw this trailer? I killed off a good portion of my anticipation for some reason.
I have a request fellas, please whoever is gonna start the season 3 thread to put "Spoiler Free" in the title, no body says or hints at anything that hasn't been aired yet.
Agreed.
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Comic con trailer for Season 3 (https://youtu.be/V9_lkap-uFA)
Why was I more excited about it before I saw this trailer? I killed off a good portion of my anticipation for some reason.
I have a request fellas, please whoever is gonna start the season 3 thread to put "Spoiler Free" in the title, no body says or hints at anything that hasn't been aired yet.
Agreed.
I want to watch so bad, but I think I'm gonna refrain.
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Comic con trailer for Season 3 (https://youtu.be/V9_lkap-uFA)
Why was I more excited about it before I saw this trailer? I killed off a good portion of my anticipation for some reason.
I have a request fellas, please whoever is gonna start the season 3 thread to put "Spoiler Free" in the title, no body says or hints at anything that hasn't been aired yet.
Agreed.
I want to watch so bad, but I think I'm gonna refrain.
Me too
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Not me. I watched it 3 times last night :caffeine: :corn
I finished season 1 in 2 days, and season 2 in 2 and a half. Which is really sucky, because now I have to wait. :'(
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As someone who's read the comics, I'm pretty psych for this season!
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Any of you guys played the game? I watched most of episode 2 streamed and it was pretty sick.
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I keep saying over in the Videogames thread that if you like the comics, you should definitely buy Telltale's game! It is amazing!! I cannot say enough good things about it!
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Hm... That definitely did not 'kill off' my anticipation, I'm not sure why it would. That definitely amped me up for this season; that was a pretty badass trailer. It didn't reveal all that much (at least for all the things that happen in what I'm assuming they'll cover in S3) but showed enough to get me all giddy for what will come. We're in for some fucked up shit. Can't wait.
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As someone who's read the comics, I'm pretty psych for this season!
I'm like 40 issues in.... Soooo sick!
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If you're at #40, you're 8 issues away from a humongous HOLY SHIT moment.
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Any thoughts on issue 100?
Spoiler:
Glenn gets his head bashed in.
Kinda anti-climactic IMO. Considering all the hype.
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Has anyone played the board game from Cryptozoic Entertainment?
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That 4 minute trailer was already better than season 2 lol. Season 3 will be the BEST.
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Walking Dead comic book fans seemed be have been going bonkers over the latest development since issue #100 hit the streets.
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That 4 minute trailer was already better than season 2 lol. Season 3 will be the BEST.
I'm gonna have to agree with that.