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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Gadough on September 28, 2011, 03:21:33 AM
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https://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/listoftheday/141511/the-ten-worst-heavy-metal-albums-of-all-time/
10. Kiss - Music from The Elder
9. Def Leppard - Slang
8. Motley Crue - Motley Crue
7. Black Sabbath - Never Say Die
6. Raven - The Pack is Back
5. Iron Maiden - Fear of the Dark
4. Twisted Sister - Come Out and Play
3. Ozzy Osbourne - Bark at the Moon
2. Guns N Roses - Chinese Democracy
1. Metallica - Load, Reload, and St. Anger
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What? :huh:
Music From The Elder, Never Say Die, and Bark At The Moon are all underrated and great albums.
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Yeah, this whole list makes me go WTF. I always thought Bark at the Moon was a fan favorite album, and Fear of the Dark certainly doesn't deserve to be here.
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They put Load/Reload in there but not Death Magnetic? Jesus.
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There are certain rules to heavy metal that must be observed. The first rule is FIRE THE KEYBOARD PLAYER. Let him join a progressive rock or pop band where he belongs.
All Van Halen albums with Sammy Hagar qualify for this list. But that was too obvious.
lol
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They put Load/Reload in there but not Death Magnetic? Jesus.
This.
Load is about 5 times better then Death Magnetic.
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Kiss - Music from The Elder
ok, this doesn't surprise me, but from what I've heard from it, it's not that bad. I think it's legacy is much worse than the reality.
Ozzy Osbourne - Bark at the Moon
What are they smoking? It's not as good as the first two albums, but it's still a really solid album. No Rest For The Wicked would have been a better pick, but it seems they chose this because they don't like 80s.
Metallica - Load, Reload, and St. Anger
These don't deserve to be lumped together. St Anger does deserve to be on the list, because it is truly dreadful, but Load and Reload have a lot of great music on them, even though I'm not a fan of the albums overall. But one of the 10 worst heavy metal albums they can think of? Do they even listen to metal?
Most of that list just seems like they don't like 80s metal and just chose a few obvious choices, and a few wtf choices. Really nothing insightful or original.
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Chinese Democracy is metal?
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They put Load/Reload in there but not Death Magnetic? Jesus.
This.
Load is about 5 times better then Death Magnetic.
Seriously?!? Death Magnetic is WAY better than Load or Reload. It may have been mixed like sh#t. But, it's probably their best album since Justice.
And, Motley's s/t album is totally underrated. Granted, I bought it and traded it to a friend of mine for pizza money at college when it came out. Having gone back and reacquired it, though... it's a very solid album. It's not Feelgood 2, which is what everyone wanted. I mean, who gets rid of their lead singer after their most successful album to date? Not the best move. But, Corabi brought a lot to the table.
And, who really considers KISS's 'The Elder' a metal album? That's just silly! I agree... way underrated, too.
Was Def Leppard ever really metal? The first 3 albums were great hard rock, not metal. Their edge left (understandably) with Rick Allen's arm. And, Adrenalize was the beginning of the end of them as even a hard rock band. Everything after (and including) that album are "meh".
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A few right choices, but Load/Reload/Never Say Die/FOTD/BATM WTF?
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What the fuck are Load and ReLoad doing there? Seriously if I ever become a multimillionaire I will dress in a Load suit at night and break into these stupid people's houses to blast Bleeding Me until they realize their wrong ways.
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NOT.....EVEN.......CLOSE (Well maybe 1/10)
This is seriously lacking Cryptopsy's The Unspoken King, Queensryche's Addicted To Chaos, Any Deathcore album, and plenty of others.
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They put Load/Reload in there but not Death Magnetic? Jesus.
This.
Load is about 5 times better then Death Magnetic.
Seriously?!? Death Magnetic is WAY better than Load or Reload. It may have been mixed like sh#t. But, it's probably their best album since Justice.
Ya seriously.
The mixing is one thing, but it really sounds like "we're playing thrash again because that's what our fans want", and the album just feels soulless for me.
I do enjoy "That Was Just Your Life" and "The Day That Never Comes", but the rest of it is fairly meh for me, Load however is more interesting.
It's not typical Metallica, but I don't think it's a miss-album.
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https://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/listoftheday/141511/the-ten-worst-heavy-metal-albums-of-all-time/
10. Kiss - Music from The Elder
9. Def Leppard - Slang
8. Motley Crue - Motley Crue
7. Black Sabbath - Never Say Die
6. Raven - The Pack is Back
5. Iron Maiden - Fear of the Dark
4. Twisted Sister - Come Out and Play
3. Ozzy Osbourne - Bark at the Moon
2. Guns N Roses - Chinese Democracy
1. Metallica - Load, Reload, and St. Anger
FOTD is top 3 Maiden. Never Say Die is truly an amazing album and very underrated. Bark at the Moon is one of Ozzy's weakest efforts but top 10 worst of all time is just laughable. Load and Reload I enjoy very much and St Anger I'd say is one of my fav Metallica albums, if not my favourite.
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After putting myself through the misery of reading the blog instead of just the list, I am now much calmer knowing that the blogger is a full time idiot. Disregard this crap.
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lol at this list. In fact, lol at pretty much any mainstream press/editorials from the music industry. It's an antiqutated practice.
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5. Iron Maiden - Fear of the Dark
That's just asinine.
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What the fuck are Load and ReLoad doing there? Seriously if I ever become a multimillionaire I will dress in a Load suit at night and break into these stupid people's houses to blast Bleeding Me until they realize their wrong ways.
It's certainly not typical Metallica. However, "Bleeding Me" is one of my favorites off that album. I'm just glad I'm way past the initial shock of the album's change of direction and their haircuts when it first came out and I can appreciate Load for the handful of decent songs it has.
I think most people can agree that, aside from being their shittiest album, St. Anger is one of the shittiest SOUNDING albums ever created. I can't believe Lars is still defending the tin can drum sound.
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I'm not sure that I would even call Load and Reload heavy metal. They definitely don't derserve to be on that list. St. Anger does though.
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All Van Halen albums with Sammy Hagar qualify for this list. But that was too obvious.
Fuck them. This quote is bullshit. I'm fucking sick of critics bashing VH albums because Sammy Hagar's on them. Sammy Hagar is a fantastic singer, an excellent guitar player, and added a shitload of depth to what Van Halen was capable of. No disprespect to the Roth era, because I loved it, but this constant bashing of the Sammy era albums is ridiculously tiresome and completely without merit.
Besides, on a list of top heavy metal albums, why would this douche even be discussing Van Halen??
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What the shit.
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I'm sure one look at unpopular screamo/grindcore/hardcore artists could have provided 100 bad metal albums for their list. :P
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That's just a stupid list. I'm sure it was done, in part, to elicit a reaction.
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^^agreed^^
3, 5, 8??? Go fuck yourself Yahoo.
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Seems like a typical "I don't like these albums, so NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO LIKE THEM" list. Lol-worthy at best.
They put Load/Reload in there but not Death Magnetic? Jesus.
If they put Death Magnetic in there the list wouldn't be lol-worthy, it would be rofl-worthy. :biggrin:
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Load & Reload = When you look past the filler material, you realize these albums contain some of Metallica's best songs they've ever written. Bleeding Me, Outlaw Torn, and Fixxxer are prog masterpieces, just to name a few.
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Yahoo can't count. That's 12 albums not 10.
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NOT.....EVEN.......CLOSE (Well maybe 1/10)
This is seriously lacking Cryptopsy's The Unspoken King, Queensryche's Addicted To Chaos, Any Deathcore album, and plenty of others.
Now we're talking!
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This list touches dinkies with other lists :angry:
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And, Motley's s/t album is totally underrated. Granted, I bought it and traded it to a friend of mine for pizza money at college when it came out. Having gone back and reacquired it, though... it's a very solid album. It's not Feelgood 2, which is what everyone wanted. I mean, who gets rid of their lead singer after their most successful album to date? Not the best move. But, Corabi brought a lot to the table.
I'd go so far as to say that their S/T was better than any other album the band released. But, it's not really a "Motley Crue" album.
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I hate to say it, but I agree that Never Say Die belongs on the list. Someone needs to explain to me why that album is any good.
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And, Motley's s/t album is totally underrated. Granted, I bought it and traded it to a friend of mine for pizza money at college when it came out. Having gone back and reacquired it, though... it's a very solid album. It's not Feelgood 2, which is what everyone wanted. I mean, who gets rid of their lead singer after their most successful album to date? Not the best move. But, Corabi brought a lot to the table.
I'd go so far as to say that their S/T was better than any other album the band released. But, it's not really a "Motley Crue" album.
I might go so far as to agree with you. It's a really solid hard rock album. It's just a shame that Tommy and Nikki originally blamed John Corabi for the album's failure. They made a calculated move to go in the opposite direction of Dr. Feelgood and go really heavy and dark. Mission accomplished. At least he went on to make 2 more good albums with Bruce Kulick after that.
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There are certain rules to heavy metal that must be observed. The first rule is FIRE THE KEYBOARD PLAYER. Let him join a progressive rock or pop band where he belongs.
There are rules in music?
Edit: Oh God, the comments on this thing are just as vomit-inducing.
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What a horrendous list. :lol
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Raven, the Pack is Back.... NO WAY!!!!!!! This album defines Metal and is really a concept album based upon Wackos time at Burger King, its a deep album that must be listened to with only the highest quality headphones, look..Im not saying the remaster of it is done correctly, but I don think that should be taken into account..sigh......
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To whoever said DM is the best album since Justice.... DM is better than the black album? REALLY? :omg:
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The list is missing:
Judas Priest - Turbo and Black Sabbath - Forbidden :lol
idk I think we all could list about 100 more albums that are worse than the ones posted.
To whoever said DM is the best album since Justice.... DM is better than the black album? REALLY? :omg:
Yeah, the Black Album really is not good at all.
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They put Load/Reload in there but not Death Magnetic? Jesus.
Death Magnetic is light years ahead of Load and Reload. At least in my head it is. And it's almost just as good as Black album, now that we're talking about it.
I read this list yesterday, and immediately realized it was going to cause a shit storm all over the internet. Then again, that's what all these lists do in the end. My problem with some of the choices is that I wouldn't put some of these albums in a ''heavy metal'' category, like St. Anger.
As for Never say never and Fear of the dark... These two records are actually my least favorites by these bands, so I figured they might find their place in my bottom 10 as well.
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To whoever said DM is the best album since Justice.... DM is better than the black album? REALLY? :omg:
I honestly pity anyone who thinks DM is better than The Black Album. DM is decent, but it's just generic copies of their older stuff, except played sloppy and not very well written. The Black Album is an amazing metal album, it just isn't an hour of thrashing an E string mindlessly.
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Most of these lists are pointless. And this one is no exception.
Some I kind of agree with, others, not so much.
For example, I wasn't very fond of Metallica's Load/Reload era, but I don't think they belong on any "10 worst metal albums" list
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Where the hell is Celtic Frost's Cold Lake?
I mean, if this is a cross section of the guy's collection, he's pretty much a mainstream hard rock/metal fan, so it missing Cold Lake isn't that much of a shock, but Cold Lake is legendary for being a misjudgement of epic proportions.
And Music From The Elder is actually a pretty amazing album. It was, admittedly, rejected by the casual fan base of Kiss and even the band (for the longest time, the band didn't even acknowledge they released it officially) and Bob Ezrin has dismissed it by saying everyone working on it was high off their asses-but it's something of an underrated gem in the Kiss catalog. Would rather listen to it than to Unmasked or Hot In The Shade. Or hell. most of Psycho Circus for that matter :lol
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i've never seen such an accurate list in my life. the writers need to be applauded for compiling such a wonderful list of terrible albums.
BC
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Raven, the Pack is Back.... NO WAY!!!!!!! This album defines Metal and is really a concept album based upon Wackos time at Burger King, its a deep album that must be listened to with only the highest quality headphones, look..Im not saying the remaster of it is done correctly, but I don think that should be taken into account..sigh......
I LOLed.
I actually really like The Pack is Back...but I honestly do not know why. Biggest commercial sell out in the history of metal...with the possible exception of the aforementioned "Cold Lake".
As a hard core Ravenlunatic, I almost feel bad for liking the Pack is Back...I mean, it's a pop album by a thrash band. That's supposed to bother me on some level. I guess it's just an example of the eclectic mix of stuff I was listening to when it came out.
I also love Twisted Sister's Come Out and Play. One rule of thumb you have to remember about Twisted Sister....the singles you heard on the radio were ALWAYS the worst songs on the album.
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To whoever said DM is the best album since Justice.... DM is better than the black album? REALLY? :omg:
I honestly pity anyone who thinks DM is better than The Black Album. DM is decent, but it's just generic copies of their older stuff, except played sloppy and not very well written. The Black Album is an amazing metal album, it just isn't an hour of thrashing an E string mindlessly.
Come on now. Thrashing on the E string is not "mindless" (see: all-time classics like Kill 'Em All and Reign in Blood). I prefer my metal a little faster and more aggressive which is why I prefer DM. The Black album is way too commercial for my tastes.
And since we're going there, I honestly pity anyone who prefers Systematic Chaos to When Dream and Day Unite. :P ;)
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To whoever said DM is the best album since Justice.... DM is better than the black album? REALLY? :omg:
I honestly pity anyone who thinks DM is better than The Black Album. DM is decent, but it's just generic copies of their older stuff, except played sloppy and not very well written. The Black Album is an amazing metal album, it just isn't an hour of thrashing an E string mindlessly.
Come on now. Thrashing on the E string is not "mindless" (see: all-time classics like Kill 'Em All and Reign in Blood). I prefer my metal a little faster and more aggressive which is why I prefer DM. The Black album is way too commercial for my tastes.
And since we're going there, I honestly pity anyone who prefers Systematic Chaos to When Dream and Day Unite. :P ;)
I was only comparing TBA with DM, not saying their old stuff is thrashing mindlessly. I love all of their pre-TBA albums just as much, but DM screams out "WE'RE STILL COOL AND METAL", except the songwriting was just weak imo. Style/genre does not make song good.
And I don't consider being commercial a criticism at all. Appealing to a wide range of people does not make an album bad. I don't really consider it a commercial album anyway, despite how successful it's been. It's more mainstream than AJFA and MoP sure, but it's still not written just to sell albums. The songwriting is intricate and layered, the vocals are melodic while still retaining the Hetfield growl, and the solos are great, but melodic and thoughtful, and it was written in that style because Metallica wanted to go in that direction, and not to please their fanbase.
Meanwhile, I consider DM a straightforward album of average to bland riffing, plain vocals, and not a single decent solo from Hammett. There are some songs I enjoy, but none of them are that strong beginning to end.
And I pity anyone who doesn't pity how bad WDADU is. ;) :biggrin:
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Death Magnetic is light years ahead of Load and Reload. At least in my head it is. And it's almost just as good as Black album, now that we're talking about it.
Agreed.
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Raven, the Pack is Back.... NO WAY!!!!!!! This album defines Metal and is really a concept album based upon Wackos time at Burger King, its a deep album that must be listened to with only the highest quality headphones, look..Im not saying the remaster of it is done correctly, but I don think that should be taken into account..sigh......
I LOLed.
I actually really like The Pack is Back...but I honestly do not know why. Biggest commercial sell out in the history of metal...with the possible exception of the aforementioned "Cold Lake".
As a hard core Ravenlunatic, I almost feel bad for liking the Pack is Back...I mean, it's a pop album by a thrash band. That's supposed to bother me on some level. I guess it's just an example of the eclectic mix of stuff I was listening to when it came out.
I also love Twisted Sister's Come Out and Play. One rule of thumb you have to remember about Twisted Sister....the singles you heard on the radio were ALWAYS the worst songs on the album.
I agree Jammin.. I own both of those on cassette...LOL.. it was an odd time in music for sure..all metal bands were looking for that one big hit to crossover...
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The list is missing:
Judas Priest - Turbo and Black Sabbath - Forbidden :lol
idk I think we all could list about 100 more albums that are worse than the ones posted.
Also Megadeth - Risk
:neverusethis:
Just kidding....Risk kicks ass.
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There are certain rules to heavy metal that must be observed.
I still think this is the dumbest sentence in that whole article.
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It's not dumb. You just have no regard for the rules of teh mehtul.
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I like that one Metallica song where they play the power chords. You know? The one written in E. With palm muting.
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Is that the one that makes use of the wah-wah pedal?
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In the solo, yes.
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It's Yahoo... Did anyone honestly expect an article that wasn't full of shit; vegetarian shit!? Breasts? My exquisite breasts? I was going to read the article but then I saw some breaking news about Angelina Jolie's panty-line.
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Death Magnetic is WAY better than Load or Reload. It may have been mixed like sh#t. But, it's probably their best album since Justice.
o/
Also, Load and Reload are almost completely rock/hard rock except for a metal section that occurs once every two or three songs like the cool buildup in Bleeding Me, the uptempo bridge in Hero of the Day, etc.
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<snip> Breasts? My exquisite breasts? <snip>
This was the only line of your post that I noticed....
;D :D
:sadpanda:
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The list is missing:
Judas Priest - Turbo and Black Sabbath - Forbidden :lol
idk I think we all could list about 100 more albums that are worse than the ones posted.
Also Megadeth - Risk
:neverusethis:
Just kidding....Risk kicks ass.
NOPE
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Risk does indeed kick ass. I can confirm.
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meh
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Fear of the Dark? Really? Really?! Fear of the Dark. NOT Virtual XI?
This is why I hate things.
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To whoever said DM is the best album since Justice.... DM is better than the black album? REALLY? :omg:
Honestly, to me, The Black Album is way overplayed. It has my least favorite Metallica tune of all-time (Don't Tread On Me) and 2 ballads (one of which (NEM) I don't ever want to hear them play live again. It's a total show killer).
Whether it's forced or not, DM is a push back to the old days. "All Nightmare Long" is awesome. "The Judas Kiss" and "My Apocalypse" are pretty close. Commercially, it's never gonna be the giant that The Black Album is. But, for those of us looking for new "vintage" Metallica, DM is pretty sweet.
And, like everything else being talked about in this thread, including the stupid Top 10, this is an opinion.
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Not listing All for One in the "Purchase instead" comments for Raven is the only thing that raises my hackles.
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There are a lot worst Kiss albums than The Elder. Unmasked, Crazy Nights, Asylum, just to name a few. I like the Elder. I know they were trying to be something they aren't, but I dig it.
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There are a lot worst Kiss albums than The Elder. Unmasked, Crazy Nights, Asylum, just to name a few. I like the Elder. I know they were trying to be something they aren't, but I dig it.
I agree. I've always enjoyed that album.
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Dynasty, Unmasked, and Hot in the Shade are my picks for most dismal Kiss album.
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>implying Yahoo writers know anything about anything
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ITT, DTF proves it knows more about metal than Yahoo!
Really not much of an accomplishment if you ask me :biggrin:
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I hate to say it, but I agree that Never Say Die belongs on the list. Someone needs to explain to me why that album is any good.
There is no way that this album deserves to be on that list. Personally I find it much better than the previous album (Technical Ecstasy) even with all their problems at the time.
I actually really, really like Never Say Die!. I understand some of the criticism of it and obviously the band wasn't happy with it because of all the circumstances surrounding them at the time, with them breaking up etc. I guess what I like most about it is that it isn't a typical Black Sabbath album yet it's still them.
I believe most of the criticism of it is because it wasn't the doom laden sound they carried through the majority of their existence (which I also loved). It's not what you expect from them but that wasn't a bad thing at that point in their career IMO.
The ideas on this album probably were a bit disjointed as they were having so many issues as a band at the time. Ozzy had left the band, came back and they re-wrote some of the material they already had. Having said that the music and playing is actually very good. If most people were to listen to it and not be aware that it was Black Sabbath they would probably rate the album quite high.
Never Say Die, Johnny Blade, Junior's Eyes, A Hard Road, Over To You are all good songs IMO.
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Good post; good points. I still hate it though. :p
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Am I the only one who thinks Kiss is not metal by any stretch of the imagination?
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Nope. I agree with you.
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Am I the only one who thinks Kiss is not metal by any stretch of the imagination?
Kiss is just Rock N' Roll that comes from the crotch.
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Yeah, pretty much. :lol :lol
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Kiss isn't metal, and neither is Van Halen.
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Lol opinions as statistics.
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To whoever said DM is the best album since Justice.... DM is better than the black album? REALLY? :omg:
I like it more, though I cannot definitively say it's better.
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once again, I have no connection with mainstream tastes
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I'm gonna go there and say The Unforgiven pt.3 is fucking amazing. I used to sing that every morning on the way to class my sophmore year.
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I'm gonna go there and say The Unforgiven pt.3 is fucking amazing. I used to sing that every morning on the way to class my sophmore year.
I know a lot of people hated another Unforgiven revisit but it's probably my favorite song off DM.
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To whoever said DM is the best album since Justice.... DM is better than the black album? REALLY? :omg:
I like it more, though I cannot definitively say it's better.
Same here. Black Album is a classic, but I really really like Death Magnetic. I agree with others about The Unforgiven III.
This list, btw, can bite it. I love Bark At The Moon.
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The self titled disc from Crue is very very underated; great hard rock/metal disc and its neck and neck with Shout at the Devil for my favorite Crue album.
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To whoever said DM is the best album since Justice.... DM is better than the black album? REALLY? :omg:
I like it more, though I cannot definitively say it's better.
Same here. Black Album is a classic, but I really really like Death Magnetic. I agree with others about The Unforgiven III.
Add me to the list of folks that like DM better than tba. I'd even scream it from the top of a mountain if I had one to climb. I won't generalize but I do think there are a fair amount of DM dissenters that just dislike it because they feel Metallica shouldn't even try to do thrash if they can't be very close to the quality level of the golden three. Or maybe they're worried the Load/Reload style is one they won't revisit (assuming they liked that style anyway.)
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I don't like those bands, but it looks like those are really the worst albums by popular bands, because there is some crap metal out there.
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To whoever said DM is the best album since Justice.... DM is better than the black album? REALLY? :omg:
I like it more, though I cannot definitively say it's better.
Same here. Black Album is a classic, but I really really like Death Magnetic. I agree with others about The Unforgiven III.
Add me to the list of folks that like DM better than tba. I'd even scream it from the top of a mountain if I had one to climb. I won't generalize but I do think there are a fair amount of DM dissenters that just dislike it because they feel Metallica shouldn't even try to do thrash if they can't be very close to the quality level of the golden three. Or maybe they're worried the Load/Reload style is one they won't revisit (assuming they liked that style anyway.)
Pretty much agreed. Death Magnetic it's a very good album. Though if they produced it again... that would be amazing.
Also, I really like The Unforgiven III too.
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Dm is a pretty good record, overall. BI hope Lulu is at leas as good as it.
Never Say Die is also pretty good. Johnny Blade is one of my favorite sabbath tunes post-MOR-pre-Dio. Same for Junior's Eyes and Hard Road.
Fear of the Dark is a great album, and I will champion it without fear!
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Phucking idiots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdx4IQxkGng
:metal
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I'm glad they went with Fear of the Dark for Maiden. It really is their worst album, but people like to hate on the Blaze material for some reason.
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Dm is a pretty good record, overall. BI hope Lulu is at leas as good as it.
Never Say Die is also pretty good. Johnny Blade is one of my favorite sabbath tunes post-MOR-pre-Dio. Same for Junior's Eyes and Hard Road.
Fear of the Dark is a great album, and I will champion it without fear!
Lulu doesn't need to be, its not a main Metallica project. Its just a side project.
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I'm glad they went with Fear of the Dark for Maiden. It really is their worst album, but people like to hate on the Blaze material for some reason.
Because Virtual XI is shit.
Fear of the Dark at least has a handful of decent songs.
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Like the title track which is one of their best songs.
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St. Anger
Shit list. I'd say I stopped reading there, but it was already at the end.
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Virtual XI is shit.
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You called this album shit.
The album that contains The Clansman.
The Clansman.
The Clansman.
The Clansman.
...I wanted to do put some "ROAR" stuff here, but I think you get the idea.
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NOT.....EVEN.......CLOSE (Well maybe 1/10)
This is seriously lacking Cryptopsy's The Unspoken King, Queensryche's Addicted To Chaos, Any Deathcore album, and plenty of others.
I like you.
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Love Beach is the shittiest metal album I've ever seen. Cover is wicked :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal though
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You called this album shit.
The album that contains The Clansman.
The Clansman.
The Clansman.
The Clansman.
...I wanted to do put some "ROAR" stuff here, but I think you get the idea.
Yes, but we're also talking about..
Don't look to...don't look to...don't look to the eyes of a stranger
Don't look to...don't look to...don't look to the eyes of a stranger
Don't look to...don't look to...don't look to the eyes of a stranger
Don't look to...don't look to...don't look to...don't look to
Don't look to...don't look to...don't look to the eyes of a stranger
Don't look to...don't look to...don't look to the eyes of a stranger
Don't look to...don't look to...don't look to the eyes of a stranger
Don't look to...don't look to...don't look to...don't look to
(and it case you forget....**IT DOESN'T STOP THERE**)
And please...don't make me post the lyrics for the final six minutes of the Angel and the Gambler! I think my point is clear!
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I agree it's a very inconsistent album, but definitely not shit.
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I agree it's a very inconsistent album, but definitely not shit.
Other than the salvageable Clansman (which is far better with Bruce anyway, but decent with Blaze) there is NOTHING else on that album that is not blatantly embarrassing.
And I say this as someone who actually defends Blaze, and even LOVED X Factor. (very underrated album...far better than most people give it credit for). The problem was not with Blaze. It was like Steve Harris forgot everything he ever knew about writing a decent song....and then everyone who surrounded the entire Iron Maiden camp lost the balls to simply walk up to Steve, put their arm around him and say..."Steve....really? 6 f*&^ing minutes of the same repeated phrase that wasn't that good to begin with??? REALLY???"
Virtual XI is Iron Maiden's St. Anger....as a matter of fact I will go on record as saying that IMO St. Anger has BETTER SONGWRITING than Virtual XI. (not sound production...just song writing). It is to the Iron Maiden catalog what the prequels are to Star Wars. I'd almost rather believe that Steve Harris was kidnapped and replaced by a clone than believe that Virtual XI is a real Iron Maiden album.
For the most part...in 99% of all cases, I consider myself to be very objective. I liked Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes. I defend St. Anger. I like the new Lulu project with Lou Reed. I like Judas Priest's Turbo (while acknowledging that it's not one of their brighter moments)....in other words, I consider myself to be very liberal in what I like, and extremely open minded. But I just cannot defend crap....and Virtual XI is crap.
But I'm just one imperfect man with an opinion...your mileage may vary. :biggrin: :yarr
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Virtual XI is Iron Maiden's St. Anger
I'm not an Iron Maiden fan, but it sounds like I should give Virtual XI a look.
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Virtual XI is Iron Maiden's St. Anger
I'm not an Iron Maiden fan, but it sounds like I should give Virtual XI a look.
I'm assuming you really like St. Anger...Its not terrible but its nowhere near good.
And incredible that you don't like Iron Maiden. I'm nowhere near the fan my friend is, but there's no denying they're good.
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Don't actively dislike them, but I'd say the best way to describe them would be boring.
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Dynasty, Unmasked, and Hot in the Shade are my picks for most dismal Kiss album.
Aw Cozmo, why you be hatin' on Dynasty? It was definitely the start of KISS's change in style, and it's not a very rock album, but the songwriting is really good once you get past I Was Made For Lovin' You. X-Ray Eyes, Charisma, 2,000 Man, it's got some great tracks.
Gotta agree on Unmasked and Hot in the Shade, although I think Crazy Nights is much worse than Hot in the Shade. Hot in the Shade's at least got Hide Your Heart, Rise To It, and Forever.
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Fear of the Dark? Really? Really?! Fear of the Dark. NOT Virtual XI?
Virtual XI is pretty damn good. The Clansman, Futureal, Como estais amigos, The Educated fool... :metal
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:facepalm:
If he wants to have Load/Reload and St. Anger at number one then he needs to drop two albums off the list and start the rest of the list from number 4. Numbskull.
Slang is not, by any definition I know of, a metal album. The five toes that Def Leppard had in metal on the first 3 records was down to a big toe after they gave Pete Willis the heave-ho and was completely removed once Steve Clark carked it.
G'n'R are not metal. KISS are not metal.
And if he's going to pick on a Maiden album there's far worse to choose from, ffs.
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I agree it's a very inconsistent album, but definitely not shit.
Other than the salvageable Clansman (which is far better with Bruce anyway, but decent with Blaze) there is NOTHING else on that album that is not blatantly embarrassing.
And I say this as someone who actually defends Blaze, and even LOVED X Factor. (very underrated album...far better than most people give it credit for). The problem was not with Blaze. It was like Steve Harris forgot everything he ever knew about writing a decent song....and then everyone who surrounded the entire Iron Maiden camp lost the balls to simply walk up to Steve, put their arm around him and say..."Steve....really? 6 f*&^ing minutes of the same repeated phrase that wasn't that good to begin with??? REALLY???"
Virtual XI is Iron Maiden's St. Anger....as a matter of fact I will go on record as saying that IMO St. Anger has BETTER SONGWRITING than Virtual XI. (not sound production...just song writing). It is to the Iron Maiden catalog what the prequels are to Star Wars. I'd almost rather believe that Steve Harris was kidnapped and replaced by a clone than believe that Virtual XI is a real Iron Maiden album.
For the most part...in 99% of all cases, I consider myself to be very objective. I liked Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes. I defend St. Anger. I like the new Lulu project with Lou Reed. I like Judas Priest's Turbo (while acknowledging that it's not one of their brighter moments)....in other words, I consider myself to be very liberal in what I like, and extremely open minded. But I just cannot defend crap....and Virtual XI is crap.
But I'm just one imperfect man with an opinion...your mileage may vary. :biggrin: :yarr
Well, I wouldn't say that. Clansman is an AMAZING song and although I can definitely say Bruce handled it well, for me the version with Blaze is still the version. He simply has... something in the way he sings it that cannot be copied.
And I definitely disagree everything else on the album is crap. Futureal is a nice rocking song. So is Lightning Strikes Twice. And The Educated Fool is a great song imo, it's pretty unusual. The others aren't really great or memorable, but I definitely cannot dismiss the whole album as crap.
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Aw Cozmo, why you be hatin' on Dynasty? It was definitely the start of KISS's change in style, and it's not a very rock album, but the songwriting is really good once you get past I Was Made For Lovin' You. X-Ray Eyes, Charisma, 2,000 Man, it's got some great tracks.
Gotta agree on Unmasked and Hot in the Shade, although I think Crazy Nights is much worse than Hot in the Shade. Hot in the Shade's at least got Hide Your Heart, Rise To It, and Forever.
I've never liked it. Hell, I think 2,000 Man is one of the better tracks. After hearing the Stones' original version (Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bimkn3y3uBY)) I totally love Ace's version. There's just very little to that album that I liked. I will say that on Unmasked, I really like 2 Sides of the Coin. Is That You is passable also. HITS had Forever. It was lucky to have Hide Your Heart. Did you ever hear the original recording by Bonnie Tyler? Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS9MDKumHWo) Funny that it was originally slated for Crazy Nights. But yes, very little redeeming about HITS.
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I definitely agree that the rest if HITS is pretty terrible, but it definitely has a few great standouts to me, which Crazy Nights doesn't have any of imo.
And the only thing I like on Unmasked is Torpedo Girl. :lol There's nothing really good on the album, but that's my guilty pleasure.
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I don't know, I like the singles on Crazy Nights. CN, Reason to Live, Turn on the Night. Also, No, No, No is Bruce at his best, IMO.
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After putting myself through the misery of reading the blog instead of just the list, I am now much calmer knowing that the blogger is a full time idiot. Disregard this crap.
there are albums a million times worse than any of these in my collection- and I'm not even a fan of most of these bands.
The Elder is misunderstood- it is a good album, just not a good KISS album.
It reads more like a crap albums by bands I like sort of pole really. I mean, have they not heard GWAR, Nitroand The Great Kat? Albums I own and complete crap!
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Aw Cozmo, why you be hatin' on Dynasty? It was definitely the start of KISS's change in style, and it's not a very rock album, but the songwriting is really good once you get past I Was Made For Lovin' You. X-Ray Eyes, Charisma, 2,000 Man, it's got some great tracks.
Gotta agree on Unmasked and Hot in the Shade, although I think Crazy Nights is much worse than Hot in the Shade. Hot in the Shade's at least got Hide Your Heart, Rise To It, and Forever.
I've never liked it. Hell, I think 2,000 Man is one of the better tracks. After hearing the Stones' original version (Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bimkn3y3uBY)) I totally love Ace's version. There's just very little to that album that I liked. I will say that on Unmasked, I really like 2 Sides of the Coin. Is That You is passable also. HITS had Forever. It was lucky to have Hide Your Heart. Did you ever hear the original recording by Bonnie Tyler? Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS9MDKumHWo) Funny that it was originally slated for Crazy Nights. But yes, very little redeeming about HITS.
Dynasty and Unmasked are two of my favourite albums ever. Late 80s KISS was a poor imitation really. CN and HITS were poor with only the Paul Stanley songs holding up on the former, and even they can't save HITS.
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Funny how things works. I liked mid-late 80's Kiss. Particularly Animalize through Crazy Nights.
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Funny how things works. I liked mid-late 80's Kiss. Particularly Animalize through Crazy Nights.
Listening to Animalize now actually and it's the last great KISS album. Asylum was poor on the whole, again apart from the PS songs. I love I'll Fight Hell To Hold You on Cn- what a vocal! Revenge was a return to form.
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Funny how things works. I liked mid-late 80's Kiss. Particularly Animalize through Crazy Nights.
Animalize is awesome. The rest of the 80s had weaker albums, but still a lot of amazing songs throughout those albums. And Revenge is still my favourite KISS album. :tup
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Yes! Revenge is killer and Animalize was the best 80's album. All others had good to great songs but too many week songs to call them a great albums. I'm lookin' at you Read My Body!! Ect....
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I'm still trying to figure out the name of the chick in the "Turn on the Night" video. :lol
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For me KISS in the 80s WAS Paul Stanley. Think I'll do a compilation for the car of the best PS 80s songs. :metal and Read My Body won't be on there.
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I saw some footage from his solo tour back in the day, with Bob Kulick and Eric Singer. Good stuff. It was cool to see him do stuff from the solo album that he wouldn't normally do.
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Revenge is the best album Kiss has done! IMO of course :metal And yes, that album I think you could call metal, for sure hard rock.
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Revenge is one of their best albums, no question. I'd put it in their top 5.
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Chinese Democracy is metal?
It's so bad it infects other genres.
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Chinese Democracy is metal?
It's so bad it infects other genres.
:rollin
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Load & Reload aren't even Metallica's worst albums let alone the WORST ALBUMS IN METAL.
I will take Ain't My Bitch, 2x4, Wasting My Hate, Bleeding Me, Carpe Diem Baby, Where The Wild Things Are, Fixxxer...
Over anything on Death Magnetic any day of the week.
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Load & Reload aren't even Metallica's worst albums let alone the WORST ALBUMS IN METAL.
I will take Ain't My Bitch, 2x4, Wasting My Hate, Bleeding Me, Carpe Diem Baby, Where The Wild Things Are, Fixxxer...
Over anything on Death Magnetic any day of the week.
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Load & Reload aren't even Metallica's worst albums let alone the WORST ALBUMS IN METAL.
I will take Ain't My Bitch, 2x4, Wasting My Hate, Bleeding Me, Carpe Diem Baby, Where The Wild Things Are, Fixxxer...
Over anything on Death Magnetic any day of the week.
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ZOMG !!! LOAD N RELOAD ARENT TEH METHULLLZZZZZ. HOW CN U LIKE DAT SHIIT LOL LOLL LOLLOLLOLL
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*Insert Picard "WTF is this shit?" pic here*
Seriously, though, fuck lists like these. Sure it's fun for me to look them up and laugh once in a while, but I never take them seriously. Whether it's Rolling Stone or someone else that comes out with a list with a big grandiose statement of a title, such as: Best Guitarists Ever BAR NONE!!!! or Top Ten Worst Heavy Metal Albums, it usually just comes off as pretentious to me, and in the end, who gives a shit?
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Load & Reload aren't even Metallica's worst albums let alone the WORST ALBUMS IN METAL.
I will take Ain't My Bitch, 2x4, Wasting My Hate, Bleeding Me, Carpe Diem Baby, Where The Wild Things Are, Fixxxer...
Over anything on Death Magnetic any day of the week.
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ZOMG !!! LOAD N RELOAD ARENT TEH METHULLLZZZZZ. HOW CN U LIKE DAT SHIIT LOL LOLL LOLLOLLOLL
I like those albums actually, but Death Magnetic is better, sir who can apperantly say it's bad.
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*Insert Picard "WTF is this shit?" pic here*
Seriously, though, fuck lists like these. Sure it's fun for me to look them up and laugh once in a while, but I never take them seriously. Whether it's Rolling Stone or someone else that comes out with a list with a big grandiose statement of a title, such as: Best Guitarists Ever BAR NONE!!!! or Top Ten Worst Heavy Metal Albums, it usually just comes off as pretentious to me, and in the end, who gives a shit?
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I just noticed something about this list.
It's missing Heritage.
:neverusethis: