From the Dream Theater Twitter feed:
Dream Theater's "Live at Budokan" to be released on Blu-Ray on October 18th by Eagle Rock Entertainment.
https://www.dreamtheater.net/board_posts/live-at-budokan-to-be-released-on-blu-ray
That's AWESOME news. Can't wait to watch this on the big tube with surround sound. :)
Alex
YES!!! I'm so happy about that.
Nice, but I don't have a BLURAY player.... but it would be nice to see DT in BLURAY quality :)
Don't have one. Why not release their first live dvd with MM?
This is very good news. I think that the Budokan is the best DVD the band has yet released. I also like the MP directed DVDs a lot, but Budokan just feels more professional.
Also, the picture quality seems to be the best in LAB. So definitely the best choice for the BR treatment.
Quote from: Super Dude on September 23, 2011, 06:01:54 AM
Don't have one. Why not release their first live dvd with MM?
Why not release their first blu-ray with footage shot at the upcoming US tour? Look to the future and all that...
Quote from: Thematt202 on September 23, 2011, 06:19:31 AM
Quote from: Super Dude on September 23, 2011, 06:01:54 AM
Don't have one. Why not release their first live dvd with MM?
Why not release their first blu-ray with footage shot at the upcoming US tour? Look to the future and all that...
That's pretty much what I was saying. :P
Quote from: Super Dude on September 23, 2011, 06:20:16 AM
Quote from: Thematt202 on September 23, 2011, 06:19:31 AM
Quote from: Super Dude on September 23, 2011, 06:01:54 AM
Don't have one. Why not release their first live dvd with MM?
Why not release their first blu-ray with footage shot at the upcoming US tour? Look to the future and all that...
That's pretty much what I was saying. :P
Yeah I just swapped your DVD request to Blu Ray! :metal
Ah, I see. Well, at least leave me a DVD format because I don't have the $$ for Blu-ray. :laugh:
Bonus features include solos from each band member
Myung also? haha :P
Quote from: Zukuduku on September 23, 2011, 06:09:20 AM
This is very good news. I think that the Budokan is the best DVD the band has yet released. I also like the MP directed DVDs a lot, but Budokan just feels more professional.
Also, the picture quality seems to be the best in LAB. So definitely the best choice for the BR treatment.
I agree 100%
I'm glad this is finally confirmed.
Now it's time to release Score also on BR.
Not saying that a PS3 is cheap, but those of you that have an HDTV and like games at all should really consider investing in a PS3. It is one of the cheapest bluray players out there and it can do so much more.
If you don't care about games, bluray players can be found for much less than 90 dollars at places like amazon.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on September 23, 2011, 07:01:25 AM
I'm glad this is finally confirmed.
It's not confirmed. It's just
confrimed. ;)
This is cool. I already have the DVD, so I don't know if I'll get one right away. Probably after I hear about how awesome it is ;D
I was going to say I'd pick it up if it wasn't too expensive since I already have it on DVD, and these kinds of things always seem to be stupid expensive here.
Amazon.ca has it available for pre-order to the tune of $13.49 right now. The price is right. Bought (it's actually cheaper than on amazon.com, which never happens).
So here's a question; For certifications, do sales of this contribute to the same total as the DVD, or does it count as a separate item? Is it like albums, where a CD and a vinyl count as the same album, or are they technically separate releases?
Quote from: TL on September 23, 2011, 09:16:17 AM
I was going to say I'd pick it up if it wasn't too expensive since I already have it on DVD, and these kinds of things always seem to be stupid expensive here.
Amazon.ca has it available for pre-order to the tune of $13.49 right now. The price is right. Bought (it's actually cheaper than on amazon.com, which never happens).
So here's a question; For certifications, do sales of this contribute to the same total as the DVD, or does it count as a separate item? Is it like albums, where a CD and a vinyl count as the same album, or are they technically separate releases?
I was just going to post that for anyone curious, on Amazon.com it is listed for $17.99.
Sounds reasonable to me.
It was Live at Budokan (both CD & DVD) that made me fall in love with DT. Now in Blu-ray?! Awesome! I have been looking for an excuse to invest in a good surround sound system. Excuse found. :tup
:D
My favorite DT live concert on Blu-Ray. Fuck yea
QuoteBonus features include solos from each band member
What? Myung? Solo? WHAT??
I'm actually kind of surprised this didn't get pushed back further with the whole "legal" thing that was going on.
I probably won't get it right away but I'll be sure to grab this eventually... really hope Score gets a blu-ray release soon but I doubt it.
I'm sure Mp isn't against this. It's another chance for people to see them in their "glory days". :\
Quote from: ACID_FOX on September 23, 2011, 12:04:27 PM
I'm sure Mp isn't against this. It's another chance for people to see them in their "glory days". :\
I was just thinking of royalties and all that jazz. Didn't know if that was an issue being dealt with atm.
I'm glad they're releasing this on Blu-Ray because I lent the DVD to someone a long time ago and never got it back.
Oh lawd. Instrumedly in blu-ray :hefdaddy I'm gonna pre-order this right away!
Quote from: ishak540m on September 23, 2011, 12:10:37 PM
I'm glad they're releasing this on Blu-Ray because I lent the DVD to someone a long time ago and never got it back.
I can only assume it's been settled since April when all the legal stuff began, but who knows.
Quote from: YtseJamittaja on September 23, 2011, 11:19:25 AM
QuoteBonus features include solos from each band member
What? Myung? Solo? WHAT??
I'll make a guess and say that they mean the multiple camera angles (you can focus on each member separately). It's very misleading though if it's what they meant by that.
Confirms what we've known for a while. I'm pumped. :metal
Quote from: erik16 on September 23, 2011, 01:43:06 PM
Quote from: YtseJamittaja on September 23, 2011, 11:19:25 AM
QuoteBonus features include solos from each band member
What? Myung? Solo? WHAT??
I'll make a guess and say that they mean the multiple camera angles (you can focus on each member separately). It's very misleading though if it's what they meant by that.
Now that I think about it, it's probably just the regular Instrumedley special feature we already have on the DVD.
Havent even seen a live DT performance yet (in person or on video), and ive been holding out for a Blu Ray (seriously, who buys DVDs nowadays? lol) so I will DEFINATELY be picking this up and watching it right away. Pretty pumped actually.
Quote from: Super Dude on September 23, 2011, 06:35:11 AM
Ah, I see. Well, at least leave me a DVD format because I don't have the $$ for Blu-ray. :laugh:
Dude blu ray players are dirt cheap nowadays. I've seen them as cheap as 79 bucks at wal mart! You really are
Missing out if you're still watching movies on blurry ass DVD's.
lol? DVDs look just fine.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 25, 2011, 02:34:30 PM
lol? DVDs look just fine.
I personally can't watch anything on standard definition anymore.
Im pretty excited that this is official now. Ive got Flight 666 and The Big 4 on blu ray and both made me wish DT had a blu ray concert.
Im not someone who needs everything on blu ray, but I'll make an exception here and there and for this concert I would definately pick up the blu ray edition. damn near perfect concert, love how it was shot, plus high def Hollow Years solo / Instrumedley? Yes please ;D. Only gripe I have with it, is JLB is kinda cringe inducing on it in spots.
Quote from: 1neeto on September 25, 2011, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 25, 2011, 02:34:30 PM
lol? DVDs look just fine.
I personally can't watch anything on standard definition anymore.
You should try sitting more than a foot from the screen.
Quote from: 1neeto on September 25, 2011, 02:43:05 PM
I personally can't watch anything on standard definition anymore.
What? Even DVDs look really great nowadays. Not Blu-Ray quality but still pretty damn good. Now TV on the other hand, there is a noticeable difference
The best concert bluray I own is Porcupie Tree. Nothing comes close to hearing uncompressed audio through adecent HT system. Hopefully, the Budoken bluray delivers the goods.
Quote from: 1neeto on September 25, 2011, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 25, 2011, 02:34:30 PM
lol? DVDs look just fine.
I personally can't watch anything on standard definition anymore.
Actually, there have been times when I failed to see the difference between a (PAL) DVD and Blu-ray. The upscaling in TV's is pretty good nowadays.
Nevertheless, I will but this Budokan Blu-ray sooner or later ;D
Quote from: VanBrandevoort on September 26, 2011, 04:42:52 AM
Quote from: 1neeto on September 25, 2011, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 25, 2011, 02:34:30 PM
lol? DVDs look just fine.
I personally can't watch anything on standard definition anymore.
Actually, there have been times when I failed to see the difference between a (PAL) DVD and Blu-ray. The upscaling in TV's is pretty good nowadays.
Nevertheless, I will but this Budokan Blu-ray sooner or later ;D
Dream Theater's three-hours concert DVDs suffer heavily from compression. A proper AVC encoded BluRay should look a lot better.
Apart from that the PAL Budoka DVD is messed up, I wasn't able to find any deinterlacing settings that produce a clean and stutter-free picture. This is the real reason why I'm looking forward to this release.
I flippin' LOVE Blu-rays. I don't enjoy watching films in SD as much as in HD, the detail is (for most BDs) so much better.
I like BluRay, and it does obviously look better (and sound better in many cases), but I have no problem watching something on up-converted DVD (not to mention, many more recent DVDs are 720p to begin with*). For me, it often comes down to if it's a film that greatly benefits from being in high definition, or if the price is right.
*While a 720p DVD played on a DVD player will only play at 480p, it will play at 720p on a BluRay player, often still up-converted to 1080p. You do need a TV capable of displaying 720/1080 of course. Obviously not every DVD is encoded at 720p, but many are these days.
All that said, I am buying Budokan on BluRay.
1080p and 120hz for me. I had to sit through a standard def movie the other night with my girlfriend. And it was FULLSCREEN! I wanted to punch a baby.
*BUMP*
The Budokan blu-ray arrived in the mail today. I'm impressed with it. The re-designed menus are a nice touch. I was unsure about buying it, but after purchase I'm glad I did. The bumped up sound quaility alone makes it a worthy purchase. You get three auidio options to choose from: the original audio from the DVD, a DTS HD Master mix and a 5.1 surround mix. The sound on the HD master is MUCH clearer than the standard LCPM mix and it doesn't sound compressed like it does on the CDs/DVD. You also hear alot more keyboard sounds which aren't audiible on the DVD. Overall, I love it. Drawback is it makes my Budokan CDs and DVD redundant now though :lol
Quote from: SlickSy on October 17, 2011, 05:48:10 AM
*BUMP*
The Budokan blu-ray arrived in the mail today. I'm impressed with it. The re-designed menus are a nice touch. I was unsure about buying it, but after purchase I'm glad I did. The bumped up sound quaility alone makes it a worthy purchase. You get three auidio options to choose from: the original audio from the DVD, a DTS HD Master mix and a 5.1 surround mix. The sound on the HD master is MUCH clearer than the standard LCPM mix and it doesn't sound compressed like it does on the CDs/DVD. You also hear alot more keyboard sounds which aren't audiible on the DVD. Overall, I love it. Drawback is it makes my Budokan CDs and DVD redundant now though :lol
Surely the CDs can still be used for the car, etc. And you can always keep the DVD for posterity :biggrin:
I have it as well and I'm less than impressed. It appears that the concert was shot at film speed (23,976 full frames per second) and then telecined (60 half frames per second) for DVD release. Since the telecine pattern changes throughout the concert, it's a safe bet to assume that the video was telecined BEFORE editing, meaning that no final, edited version at original speed exists.
This leaves two options for the Bluray release:
a) re-edit the whole thing again to produce a proper Bluray
b) reuse the crappy DVD version and release a bad Bluray
The studio opted for alternative b.
My initial attempts at detelecining failed, I always ended up with jerky movement when duplicated fields were not correctly detected by the detelecine algorithms I tried so far. I will give it a more thorough look when I have more time, but the fact that I even have to spend time at home to repair flaws that should have been eliminated by the studio is sad, a fallback to the dark age of PAL and NTSC.
I just ordered this, can't wait!
Quote from: me7 on October 17, 2011, 08:35:42 AM
I have it as well and I'm less than impressed. It appears that the concert was shot at film speed (23,976 full frames per second) and then telecined (60 half frames per second) for DVD release. Since the telecine pattern changes throughout the concert, it's a safe bet to assume that the video was telecined BEFORE editing, meaning that no final, edited version at original speed exists.
This leaves two options for the Bluray release:
a) re-edit the whole thing again to produce a proper Bluray
b) reuse the crappy DVD version and release a bad Bluray
The studio opted for alternative b.
My initial attempts at detelecining failed, I always ended up with jerky movement when duplicated fields were not correctly detected by the detelecine algorithms I tried so far. I will give it a more thorough look when I have more time, but the fact that I even have to spend time at home to repair flaws that should have been eliminated by the studio is sad, a fallback to the dark age of PAL and NTSC.
This saddens me. Thank you for the detailed technical review.
A review of the Blu-Ray release. Not so pretty...
https://www.blu-raydefinition.com/reviews/dream-theater-live-at-budokan-blu-ray-review.html
Quote from: JimmyJava on October 17, 2011, 10:45:13 AM
A review of the Blu-Ray release. Not so pretty...
https://www.blu-raydefinition.com/reviews/dream-theater-live-at-budokan-blu-ray-review.html
They gave the video quality 4/5 and the audio quality 4.5/5. They only gave the extras 2/5 because they were in SD, sounds like a pretty good review to me.
That sounds like a good review. The guy is obviously not a DT fan, but he did say the picture and audio was good.
Yey for BR :)
Both Score and LaB is hard to watch on my HDtv so this will be great! The review above is fine, he obviously didn't like Dream Theater but thought the audio and video was good ... which is what the BR should improve! :P
Quote from: FlyingBIZKIT on October 17, 2011, 11:17:46 AM
That sounds like a good review. The guy is obviously not a DT fan, but he did say the picture and audio was good.
And he said Hollow Years sounds like Europe's Carrie :rollin so I trust his judgement :-\
Quote from: Lowdz on October 17, 2011, 12:53:05 PM
Quote from: FlyingBIZKIT on October 17, 2011, 11:17:46 AM
That sounds like a good review. The guy is obviously not a DT fan, but he did say the picture and audio was good.
And he said Hollow Years sounds like Europe's Carrie :rollin so I trust his judgement :-\
He writes reviews for a Bluray website, he probably knows what he's talking about when it comes to audio/video quality
The only thing that bugs me about LaB, is JLBs performance. Quite often a little low and he's not really articulating that well. Other than that, it's awesome. I just wish he would have sung like he did on Score :hefdaddy
I'll definately get this on BR when I get myself a BR player :)
This reviewer is an asshole, plain and simple.
"Hey, Brandon DuHamel, you're a prick. How about you just stick to what your job is and tell us about the quality of the Blu-Ray. What's the point of taking shots at the band? The quality of a disc and its features and audio have nothing to do with whether or not you like the subject material. You're a royal douche."
It's fine to not like something but to say the shit he does is inexcusable from a 'professional' writer. Really embarrassing and pathetic.
I keep getting an error trying to open that page. Is anyone else having trouble? I'd like to read the review.
Quote from: Orbert on October 17, 2011, 04:07:17 PM
I keep getting an error trying to open that page. Is anyone else having trouble? I'd like to read the review.
Samee :sad:
Quote from: Orbert on October 17, 2011, 04:07:17 PM
I keep getting an error trying to open that page. Is anyone else having trouble? I'd like to read the review.
The error is better than the review.
The reviewer keeps saying "4 hour concert", but doesn't the concert go for just under 3 hours? Minus the intermissions.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on October 17, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
Quote from: Orbert on October 17, 2011, 04:07:17 PM
I keep getting an error trying to open that page. Is anyone else having trouble? I'd like to read the review.
The error is better than the review.
From what I'm reading, that would seem to be the case. But if he gave it good technical marks, that's all I'm really interested in. me7 sounds pretty knowledgeable about that kind of thing, but for now we've got one "aye" and one "nay".
Mine is coming today. Can't wait!
Quote from: Orbert on October 18, 2011, 07:11:34 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on October 17, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
Quote from: Orbert on October 17, 2011, 04:07:17 PM
I keep getting an error trying to open that page. Is anyone else having trouble? I'd like to read the review.
The error is better than the review.
From what I'm reading, that would seem to be the case. But if he gave it good technical marks, that's all I'm really interested in. me7 sounds pretty knowledgeable about that kind of thing, but for now we've got one "aye" and one "nay".
My guess is that it's probably a comparison between average-reviewer doing the review and someone who's intimately involved in the industry and knows what to look for. I say this coming from a printing/retouching background. Most people won't pick up the small details that give away that an image has been retouched, but because it is something that I work with regularly, I know what to look for.
Quote from: Orbert on October 18, 2011, 07:11:34 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on October 17, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
Quote from: Orbert on October 17, 2011, 04:07:17 PM
I keep getting an error trying to open that page. Is anyone else having trouble? I'd like to read the review.
The error is better than the review.
From what I'm reading, that would seem to be the case. But if he gave it good technical marks, that's all I'm really interested in. me7 sounds pretty knowledgeable about that kind of thing, but for now we've got one "aye" and one "nay".
My opinion isn't really "nay". Apart from the issue that the picture was telecined, the Bluray looks very "alright". Not as stellar as Hollywood blockbusters but just what you would expect from footage shot with a digital camera in a dark concert hall. It is a huge upgrade from the DVD just for the lack of obvious compression artifacts alone (DTs three-hour concerts with light flashes were too much for the DVD standard to handle).
That said, I HATE interlacing and telecining. It was necessary for NTSC to turn a 24 fps film into 30 fps but, in my opinion, shouldn't be supported on Bluray at all. If you watch the Bluray on a Bluray-player in untouched form, you may not even notice the issue at all. The real problem arises if you want to encode the concert to a smaller file for HTPC or mobile device usage (like I do), because you need to sacrifice something (waste storage space or accept jerky movement) unless I manage to configure a detelecining filter to process the footage correctly, I'm still busy with other things.
The linked review didn't care to look for some of the better shots. The screenshot of Myung was taken from a frame while the camera was not focused correctly, if the reviewer had cared to jump a few frames ahead it would look much better.
The interlacing isn't a real showstopper, it just shows that Eagle Rock Entertainment didn't put much care into this re-release.
Ah, that's good to hear. What you said earlier had me concerned.
Basically there are only two things I really care about: (1) How does it look? and (2) How does it sound?
If it looks and sounds good, or generally is "a huge upgrade from the DVD" as you say, then that's what counts, right?
If you were annoyed by the compression errors on the Budokan DVD (and especially the Score DVD) this Bluray will be a godsend. It still leaves a lot to be desired IMO but I assume that the footage was edited this way and a real fix would require reediting the whole thing - which I know will never happen.
I decided to make a few high quality screenshots of the Bluray to show you how it looks like so you can decide for yourselves whether it is a worthy upgrade from the DVD. The screenshots from the linked review are very compressed and taken from random scenes, these ones are uncompressed and taken from some of the better lit moments. The concert doesn't look this good all the time though, the "dramatic" lighting of the show is pure torture for a camera and results in a lot of blurry shots.
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You may think now that this looks great and wonder why I complain about the quality? Take a look at this screenshot:
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It looks like two images combed into one another. This basically is "telecine", you take the 24 pictures shot each second, mix a few of them into new ones and add them to the video to turn it into a 30 pictures per second video. Two out of five frames look like that, you get three good ones, than two bad ones, then three good ones and then again two bad ones... throughout the whole concert. Your player will attempt to blur them to make the combing less obvious and it isn't as bad as it looks on still frames.
What annoys me is that there is no technical reason why it needs to look like that. Originally all pictures looked "good", but in order to produce a NTSC DVD you need to have 30 pictures per second, therefore you add these bad pictures into the mix. Blurays don't require it though.
JP really looked awesome back then.
Watching it now. Looks fine to me, but I'm not an expert.
It really sucks seeing shoddy work done for products like this. I'm interested to see how it looks in motion though. Personally I always felt the original DVD didn't look that great either. But that was probably due to the compression issues more than anything else.
Another reason I would like to have this on BluRay instead of DVD is to avoid the worst layer-change I have EVER seen. Putting it in between songs of a concert is distracting as the crowd stops cheering. But it was placed in the middle of Trail of Tears. That IMO is inexcusable. I personally think this should have been split into two discs.
I decided to order this one today after reading this review, https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dream-Theater-Live-At-Budokan-Blu-ray/29117/
I'll post my thoughts after watching it, hopefully i'll get in within a few days!
Quote from: TL on September 26, 2011, 12:26:16 PM
I like BluRay, and it does obviously look better (and sound better in many cases), but I have no problem watching something on up-converted DVD (not to mention, many more recent DVDs are 720p to begin with*). For me, it often comes down to if it's a film that greatly benefits from being in high definition, or if the price is right.
*While a 720p DVD played on a DVD player will only play at 480p, it will play at 720p on a BluRay player, often still up-converted to 1080p. You do need a TV capable of displaying 720/1080 of course. Obviously not every DVD is encoded at 720p, but many are these days.
All that said, I am buying Budokan on BluRay.
If someone put 720p video on a DVD they would only have about 36 minutes of space on a dual layer disc unless they compressed the crap out of it. Why would anyone release a commercial DVD like that? I've never seen one.
Quote from: JimmyJava on October 17, 2011, 10:45:13 AM
A review of the Blu-Ray release. Not so pretty...
https://www.blu-raydefinition.com/reviews/dream-theater-live-at-budokan-blu-ray-review.html
He only hated on the performance, not the quality. And he only hated the performance because he hates Dream Theater! Quality of the blu-ray is excellent according to this guy. 4/5 on the video that was recorded in 1080i 7 years ago on a Dream Theater budget!
Quote from: Shadow2222 on September 23, 2011, 08:12:02 AM
Not saying that a PS3 is cheap, but those of you that have an HDTV and like games at all should really consider investing in a PS3. It is one of the cheapest bluray players out there and it can do so much more.
If you don't care about games, bluray players can be found for much less than 90 dollars at places like amazon.
Except the new ones can't play SACDs anymore. What's up with that! But a $80 Sony blu-ray will play SACDs over HDMI.
I got this for my birthday. I haven't finished it all, but I'm about 2 hours through the concert. Overall the video quality blows away the DVD. I was worried when I saw the blurred screencap, but I definitely don't notice this in motion at all. Though my Bluray player is also saying it is playing it at 60 FPS so I'm guessing it is doing its own processing as well. The lack of compressed video makes a huge difference in the quality.
I got this in the mail last week and have watched my favorite parts and can see a big difference in video quality and the sound is better too, but my ears arent good enough to notice a big difference in sound. My dvd is now obsolete.