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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: johncal on September 18, 2011, 02:25:09 PM
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Feel free to post comments after voting
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Eh, no.
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Mangini is a great improvement for the band on so many levels.
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It's hard for me to say... I don't even know what option to vote for.
I would really enjoy seeing what the next 2 DT albums will be like with Mike Mangini,
and, this is just my personal hope, and I know that it's very unlikely,
but, after that, I would like to see the return of Mike Portnoy, and see what they can come up with after a break from each other.
With that being said... I don't think it will ever happen, and if it did, there will be need for much healing and time for Portnoy and DT to make amends.
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No.
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I personally love Mike Portnoy as a member of Dream Theater but I also feel that his time with them has come to an end by his choice. Mike Mangini is a very capable drummer and he deserves to be in a band that challenges him like DT. I wouldn't mind seeing a reunion show or possibly a return to a side project like LTE but right now, Mangini earned his spot.
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I don't know what "should" means in this situation.
He "should" if he and the band agree to it. That is all. Everything else is just opinions and have nothing to do with "should".
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Should he ever return? Not if Mike Mangini continues to do well and stays in the band. If, for whatever reason, Mike Mangini is no longer good for the band or he leaves, then I wouldn't mind Mike returning as a drummer, but not with the total control he had before.
But, I don't expect that to happen. I'd love to see Mike play in a reunion show if he and the band ever become friends again.
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I want to vote for a mixture of options 2 and 3, but went with 3 because it included more.
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I want to vote for a mixture of options 2 and 3, but went with 3 because it included more.
This.
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Of course, once he gets his "break" and once the band are willing to entertain the idea.
It has a lot less to do with "firing Mangini" than "reuniting with a founding member" if that makes sense. Mangini is great, he's doing very well, and whether he's there forever or just for an album cycle or two, his career has been catapulted far beyond most of his peers and he's probably set with gigs for life at this point. He's stoked no matter what.
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One word: MANGINI
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maybe if it's for the right reasons...none of which are "for the fans"...
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One word: MANGINI
2 words: MIKE MANGINI!
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3 words: Mike Fucking Mangini.
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5 words: fed up of these threads. :P
but meh, i voted no.
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5 words: fed up of these threads. :P
but meh, i voted no.
Better 5 words: MIKE THE FUCKIN GENIE MANGINI
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Yes, because I'm a big Mike fan. but I'm happy with whatever happens at this point.
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To the band? Please no :|
To do some reunion show or tour and possibly finally play whole 12 step suite? Of course that would be great :tup
So option three for me...
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To do some reunion show or tour and possibly finally play whole 12 step suite? Of course that would be great :tup
I didn't even think about the 12 step suite. That would definitely be a good reason for him to reunite with the band again for a night.
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option 3 for me
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LTE
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Liquid Tension 3xperiment
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I always thought it was a shitty thing to do to kick someone out of a band solely because the band kissed and made up with one of the original members. "Hey thanks for all your services but we're getting our old drummer back. Fuck you very much, CUNextTime." DT seems to be a group of nice dudes and Mangini seemed like a real nice dude in that documentary. If Mangini is doing great musically and getting along with everyone, then he should not be replaced by Portnoy. However, it would be cool if Portnoy makes a few guest appearances. I'd hate to see him turn into another Kevin Moore.
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No, the man really sickens me, I don't want him ever to play with DT again.
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Fuck him, I hope he never comes back
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Fuck him, I hope he never comes back
Oh yeah, definitely inb4 the ban
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Wait for it...................................................
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Needs an "uncertain" option. I seriously have no idea. Far too early to say anything.
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Fuck him, I hope he never comes back
Oh yeah, definitely inb4 the ban
Oh yeah and why is that? It's a free country and I can speak my mind.
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This isn't a free country, it's a privately run message board.
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Fuck him, I hope he never comes back
Oh yeah, definitely inb4 the ban
Oh yeah and why is that? It's a free country and I can speak my mind.
Yes, you definitely can. But the way you are doing it is definitely not contributing anything to the forum. It's just spreading unnecessary negativity.
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Fuck him, I hope he never comes back
Oh yeah, definitely inb4 the ban
Why are you so sensitive? He's not insulting or bashing portnoy. The quesiton was should he return, and he said "Fuck him" i.e. forget about him don't even consider allowing him back (an opinion on what DT should do) and then "I hope he never comes back" (chico's own feelings on whether he should return)
So you had really a suggestion and then an opinion. Calm down.
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Fuck him, I hope he never comes back
Oh yeah, definitely inb4 the ban
Why are you so sensitive? He's not insulting or bashing portnoy. The quesiton was should he return, and he said "Fuck him" i.e. forget about him don't even consider allowing him back (an opinion on what DT should do) and then "I hope he never comes back" (chico's own feelings on whether he should return)
So you had really a suggestion and then an opinion. Calm down.
Let me answer your question with a question: Why do you care? Now breathe, and drink this. It'll calm you down.
:millahhhh
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This isn't a free country, it's a privately run message board.
Which is in a free country so I can say whatever the fuck I want, got it boy?
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT BY XJDENTON: You can, and if you are an arse you are also free to get banned for it.
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This isn't a free country, it's a privately run message board.
Which is in a free country so I can say whatever the fuck I want, got it boy?
Not quite true, I'm not sure you understand the concepts of private property, or in this case privately owned web domains.
If you'd like a much faster lesson, post that as the MP forums.
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Fuck him, I hope he never comes back
Oh yeah, definitely inb4 the ban
Why are you so sensitive? He's not insulting or bashing portnoy. The quesiton was should he return, and he said "Fuck him" i.e. forget about him don't even consider allowing him back (an opinion on what DT should do) and then "I hope he never comes back" (chico's own feelings on whether he should return)
So you had really a suggestion and then an opinion. Calm down.
Let me answer your question with a question: Why do you care? Now breathe, and drink this. It'll calm you down.
:millahhhh
I care because logic matters to me. I am annoyed when I encounter those that don't follow logic or reason. I also get annoyed when people are unhappy with other speaking their minds.
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I am new here, but I dont see any reason why one shouldnt be able to criticze portnoy or his actions. If you have some intellegeble thoughts, albiet negative about the guy, why not express them?
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I am new here, but I dont see any reason why one shouldnt be able to criticze portnoy or his actions. If you have some intellegeble thoughts, albiet negative about the guy, why not express them?
Saying "Fuck him" isn't exactly my definition of Intelligent criticism.
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I am new here, but I dont see any reason why one shouldnt be able to criticze portnoy or his actions. If you have some intellegeble thoughts, albiet negative about the guy, why not express them?
Saying "Fuck him" isn't exactly my definition of Intelligent criticism.
well its not like hes saying "fuck you, you douche portnoy!!111!"
i think saying eh fuck him, we dont want him back is an intellegent comment
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How dare you call Adami a boy.
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I am new here, but I dont see any reason why one shouldnt be able to criticze portnoy or his actions. If you have some intellegeble thoughts, albiet negative about the guy, why not express them?
I'll explain, because unlike chico, you seem to care. When it comes to band members, constructive criticism is fine, but personal criticism isn't.
It's pretty basic, keep it constructive and polite, that's all. He did neither.
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I am new here, but I dont see any reason why one shouldnt be able to criticze portnoy or his actions. If you have some intellegeble thoughts, albiet negative about the guy, why not express them?
Saying "Fuck him" isn't exactly my definition of Intelligent criticism.
well its not like hes saying "fuck you, you douche portnoy!!111!"
i think saying eh fuck him, we dont want him back is an intellegent comment
It's not.
Also, I don't kiss MP's Jewish pig ass
That enough?
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I am new here, but I dont see any reason why one shouldnt be able to criticze portnoy or his actions. If you have some intellegeble thoughts, albiet negative about the guy, why not express them?
Saying "Fuck him" isn't exactly my definition of Intelligent criticism.
well its not like hes saying "fuck you, you douche portnoy!!111!"
i think saying eh fuck him, we dont want him back is an intellegent comment
It's not.
Also, I don't kiss MP's Jewish pig ass
That enough?
hey im not defending that... but saying fuck him, i dont want him back is indeed an intelligable answer to the quesiton should he ever return, thats undeniable,
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I am new here, but I dont see any reason why one shouldnt be able to criticze portnoy or his actions. If you have some intellegeble thoughts, albiet negative about the guy, why not express them?
Saying "Fuck him" isn't exactly my definition of Intelligent criticism.
well its not like hes saying "fuck you, you douche portnoy!!111!"
i think saying eh fuck him, we dont want him back is an intellegent comment
An intelligent comment is something like "I don't approve of his actions over the past year and he has acted very immature and i don't think i would like to see him back." Saying "fuck him" just makes yu sound like an idiot
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How about a little respect for my thread and everybody cut the crap.
How does Mangini's feelings play in all this? In the hypothetical return of MP, is Mangini leaving voluntarily?
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How about a little respect for my thread and everybody cut the crap.
How does Mangini's feelings play in all this? In the hypothetical return of MP, is Mangini leaving voluntarily?
This is a good point, I think that Mangini should be able to play any concert he wants thus giving him a veto on a reunion concert.
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In regards to the topic... I voted the 3rd. I'd be happy to see Mike reunite for a special reunion tour, perhaps hammer out a live version of the 12 Step Suite and all that... and I'd be more than happy to see another LTE album, but I think a fresh new start in the DT camp is what everyone needs in the long run and they'll all be thankful for it in years to come, I reckons.
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So, how is everybody's day going so far?
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I just had to come back. It's like watching a guy fuck himself to death. But it's fun to watch.
Haha well looks like he's banned now, thankfully. :lol
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I think he's gone. If we try to get back on topic quickly, this thread might not get axed.
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So, how is everybody's day going so far?
Actually really good. Thanks for askin'
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Yeah he's gone for good, sorry that took a while.
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So, how is everybody's day going so far?
Fab ! Went out for a meal and Eric Clapton was at the restaurant ! :hat
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So, how is everybody's day going so far?
Fab ! Went out for a meal and Eric Clapton was at the restaurant ! :hat
horseshit, youre kidding...? where was this?
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I'm gonna miss him.
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So far it's 82 to 5 against Portnoy coming back permanently. That's saying something. I think that Portnoy's attitude had a lot to do with it, but with Mangini being just SO good for the group and the music as well, that's kind of solidifying people's feelings on things.
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Or maybe he died on his way home.
I know he's banned now...but I have to say this...
That's not a funny thing to say at all...I would cry if Bosk died...you shouldn't joke about people dying. That's horrible :sadpanda:
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So, how is everybody's day going so far?
Fab ! Went out for a meal and Eric Clapton was at the restaurant ! :hat
GTFO!
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It was a surprise to me too !
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In Guildford in Surrey.
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Or maybe he died on his way home.
I know he's banned now...but I have to say this...
That's not a funny thing to say at all...I would cry if Bosk died...you shouldn't joke about people dying. That's horrible :sadpanda:
No, that's just sick when people say things like that.
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Yeah, it's weird to think that most of DT's fans wouldn't even care if MP came back.. For the most part, I think it's the way MP has been acting since the break-up that turned most fans off to him coming back into the band.. it's a real shame. :-[
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Yeah he's gone for good, sorry that took a while.
You could have at least taken my suggestion. Especially with this guy.
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Looks like someone...
called TIME on Chico....
.. :hat YEEEAHHHH
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How about some opinions on the poll numbers so far to get back on topic??
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Looks like someone...
called TIME on Chico....
.. :hat YEEEAHHHH
:huh: :lol
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Yeah he's gone for good, sorry that took a while.
You could have at least taken my suggestion. Especially with this guy.
What was that?
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Yeah, it's weird to think that most of DT's fans wouldn't even care if MP came back.. For the most part, I think it's the way MP has been acting since the break-up that turned most fans off to him coming back into the band.. it's a real shame. :-[
For me, it's not so much his actions as the revelations that he and the band simply weren't getting on so well anymore. Adding Mangini to the fold seemed to not only re-energize their creativity, but it seemed to re-energize their connection as friends and human beings... and I think that really shows in the music and the live performances thus far.
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I feel like we should all be wearing "I survived Chico" tee shirts.
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How about some opinions on the poll numbers so far to get back on topic??
I think it was a mixture of several things.
1. The general staleness of the past 4 or so albums that is generally agreed upon by many fans (not including Bosk).
2. The lack of interesting drumming for the past several albums.
3. The general musical direction to sound more modern and less authentic.
4. Portnoys comments since the break up.
5. Mangini being such an amazingly awesome guy.
6. The new DT album being extremely well received with amazing drumming.
If it ain't broke...
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I feel like we should all be wearing "I survived Chico" tee shirts.
Hurricane Chico?
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Looks like someone...
called TIME on Chico....
.. :hat YEEEAHHHH
:huh: :lol
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/It's_Chico_Time.jpg :lol
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Yeah he's gone for good, sorry that took a while.
You could have at least taken my suggestion. Especially with this guy.
What was that?
That we should turn certain bans (like that one) into public execution style events.
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I would be up for that, but its 3am and I'd rather get back to sleep now. :p
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Yeah, it's weird to think that most of DT's fans wouldn't even care if MP came back.. For the most part, I think it's the way MP has been acting since the break-up that turned most fans off to him coming back into the band.. it's a real shame. :-[
For me, it's not so much his actions as the revelations that he and the band simply weren't getting on so well anymore. Adding Mangini to the fold seemed to not only re-energize their creativity, but it seemed to re-energize their connection as friends and human beings... and I think that really shows in the music and the live performances thus far.
I agree with everything you said.
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How about some opinions on the poll numbers so far to get back on topic??
I think it was a mixture of several things.
1. The general staleness of the past 4 or so albums that is generally agreed upon by many fans (not including Bosk).
2. The lack of interesting drumming for the past several albums.
3. The general musical direction to sound more modern and less authentic.
4. Portnoys comments since the break up.
5. Mangini being such an amazingly awesome guy.
6. The new DT album being extremely well received with amazing drumming.
If it ain't broke...
I'm surprised nobody's quotes on #2 more. I've noticed MP using the exact same recycled fills for quite a while now. It's not that he couldn't do new and exciting stuff, he was just getting lazy without practicing, etc. I kind of found his lazyness a bit offensive. I mean if you do all you can that's one thing, but when you'rer getting paid to do your best you should at least want to try.
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I think the writing/recording at the same time played a hand in it too. Since he would record the drums pretty soon after writing the basic structure, probably not a good amount of time to come up with extremely interesting fills. Meanwhile Mangini got a while to practice the drums to the new album, and it really showed.
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I went through and deleted a bunch of the shit in this thread in an attempt to salvage it. Only the insults, so continue with the discussions.
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Yeah, it's weird to think that most of DT's fans wouldn't even care if MP came back.. For the most part, I think it's the way MP has been acting since the break-up that turned most fans off to him coming back into the band.. it's a real shame. :-[
Hopefully, time will soften the hard feelings of the fans.
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I went through and deleted a bunch of the shit in this thread in an attempt to salvage it. Only the insults, so continue with the discussions.
I saw that and appreciate it.
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I went through and deleted a bunch of the shit in this thread in an attempt to salvage it. Only the insults, so continue with the discussions.
Thank you! :)
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Yeah, it's weird to think that most of DT's fans wouldn't even care if MP came back.. For the most part, I think it's the way MP has been acting since the break-up that turned most fans off to him coming back into the band.. it's a real shame. :-[
For me, it's not so much his actions as the revelations that he and the band simply weren't getting on so well anymore. Adding Mangini to the fold seemed to not only re-energize their creativity, but it seemed to re-energize their connection as friends and human beings... and I think that really shows in the music and the live performances thus far.
I agree with everything you said.
Yeah, I agree with you all the way, I was just going by what the general consensus was, or at least everything that I have seen the fans say and react. It seems a lot of people really stopped liking MP at the point where he was out of the band, and started making a lot of bad moves and comments.
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That's a BIG HELL NO. :censored
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I think the writing/recording at the same time played a hand in it too. Since he would record the drums pretty soon after writing the basic structure, probably not a good amount of time to come up with extremely interesting fills. Meanwhile Mangini got a while to practice the drums to the new album, and it really showed.
Plus Mangini kind of structures his fills around what the guys areplaying, so they're always custom not canned. the only canned ones are the holdover octoban rolls I'm guessing JOP wanted in because MM even does his octoban rolls differently all the time. Watch his solo stuff to see what I mean.
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On topic, really I don't object to Mike Portnoy going back if that is what the rest of the band felt was best. However, seeing the album produced without him, and how well MM seems to mesh with the rest of the band, I feel they will produce material that I prefer with MM on board. Nothing against portnoy, I just think the change is best for DT at the current time.
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Yeah, it's weird to think that most of DT's fans wouldn't even care if MP came back.. For the most part, I think it's the way MP has been acting since the break-up that turned most fans off to him coming back into the band.. it's a real shame. :-[
Hopefully, time will soften the hard feelings of the fans.
Personally, I don't have hard feelings, I'm just going on hard facts AND Mangini's also just the nicest guy there is. That's what the band deserves.
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I just think the change is best for DT at the current time.
So what you're saying is, you think it's time for a.............
........new paradigm shift within the band?
Yeaaaaaaaaa
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No. I enjoy seeing how *happy* Mangini is to be in the band.
He's just so grateful for the opportunity.
To take it away from him would be heart-breaking.
Imagine getting invited to join your favourite band and then one album later getting asked to leave.
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I just think the change is best for DT at the current time.
So what you're saying is, you think it's time for a.............
........new paradigm shift within the band?
Yeaaaaaaaaa
CHAAAAAAYYYYYAAAAANGEEEEEEE
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On topic, really I don't object to Mike Portnoy going back if that is what the rest of the band felt was best. However, seeing the album produced without him, and how well MM seems to mesh with the rest of the band, I feel they will produce material that I prefer with MM on board. Nothing against portnoy, I just think the change is best for DT at the current time.
YUP :tup
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I noticed 6 people thought MP's the man, but other than Marla (no surprise there) nobody wanted to comment on why he should be back.
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I noticed 6 people thought MP's the man, but other than Marla (no surprise there) nobody wanted to comment on why he should be back.
Probably because they would immediately be shot down and be called silly. I'm not one of them, but i can see why they don't post.
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The more he opens his mouth, the bigger the explosion that's blowing up that bridge that brings him back to DT. I voted no. He just seems, in all of his interviews, to not be a very classy guy.
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I'm awaiting the answer to this:
How does Mangini's feelings play in all this? In the hypothetical return of MP, is Mangini leaving voluntarily?
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I'm awaiting the answer to this:
How does Mangini's feelings play in all this? In the hypothetical return of MP, is Mangini leaving voluntarily?
That wasn't even part of the equation in the original question, but it would be real WRONG to let him go. He's in the hardest place a guy could be in. A lot of MP lovers are automatically MM haters. MM is a great guy and at least to me his feelings are very important.
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I'm awaiting the answer to this:
How does Mangini's feelings play in all this? In the hypothetical return of MP, is Mangini leaving voluntarily?
That wasn't even part of the equation in the original question, but it would be real WRONG to let him go. He's in the hardest place a guy could be in. A lot of MP lovers are automatically MM haters. MM is a great guy and at least to me his feelings are very important.
Then, my answer is thus: if MM were to leave of his own volition, I have no problem with the possibility of an MP return to see if he can mesh with the band. But I would in no way want MP to return at MM's expense.
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I hear what you're saying, but it's all hypothetical because MM is out of his mind in love with being in dream theater, so he's going nowhere fast and I'd go as far as to say that even if MM left, there'd have to be some serious soul searching before the guys letting MP try again could even happen. I'll bet there's even a lot more negatives there then the guys just would ever share out of respect and past friendship. i also have a very strong feeling about something else. Those DT guys still love MP like a brother, but it doesn't mean you necessarily want your brother to move into your house.
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I hope it lasts, and I hope the other fellas reciprocate. This is the best situation MM has been in, musically. One thing that would be interesting is if MM were to decide he wants out after, say, 3 albums. Would the rest of DT and MP be able to have chemistry, both musically and operationally? Would MP be able to accept a band that was fairly balanced in terms of personality and input, and would the other guys not fall into the trap of slowly letting MP handle stuff, like setlists, fan interaction, etc.
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I hope it lasts, and I hope the other fellas reciprocate. This is the best situation MM has been in, musically. One thing that would be interesting is if MM were to decide he wants out after, say, 3 albums. Would the rest of DT and MP be able to have chemistry, both musically and operationally? Would MP be able to accept a band that was fairly balanced in terms of personality and input, and would the other guys not fall into the trap of slowly letting MP handle stuff, like setlists, fan interaction, etc.
It would still turn into a pile of shit. Remember these guys are geniuses. I think they can figure that out.
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I voted for the third option. I would love to see MP play with these guys again, but right now only in a side project or one off DT show like WDADRU. Really I'd just like the guys to patch things up on a personal level.
But right now, there's no chance he's rejoining DT, and I'm really happy with how things are going with MM, and so is the band. But if something were to ever happen with MM and they need a new drummer, I would like MP to rejoin.
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Dream Theater's moved on. MP's moved on. I don't see how a reunion would be possible or even an ideal move for the band other than the novelty cash it'll rake in; from an artistic standpoint, they have little to gain from DT + MP other than the finalization of the vision of the AA saga.
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Eh, no.
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I don't know what "should" means in this situation.
He "should" if he and the band agree to it. That is all. Everything else is just opinions and have nothing to do with "should".
This completely.
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He "should" if he and the band agree to it. That is all. Everything else is just opinions and have nothing to do with "should".
Good point.
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Straight up voted no. After seeing/hearing/reading all the interviews with MM and comparing them to all the negativity that has come from the MP camp... yeah sorry Portnoy, I love your drumming and the music that you did with the guys but IMHO they traded up when you decided to leave. They got a guy with arguably better drumming skills and definately a love for making music with the guys in the band. IMHO MM should stay as long as he wants in DT. They have definately hit upon a formula that produces better music than the last 3 DT Albums. (again IMHO)
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Should Frodo have let Gollum hang-on his and Sam's expedition? Right up until the point that Gollum bit off greedy Frodo's finger and stumbled into the lava pits of Mount Doom with the ring of power, the obvious answer to that question was "probably not." So, you never know. MP rejoining the band seems like a bad idea now, but it just might inadvertently save the band from an unforseen tragedy. Obviously, if there's one thing we can take away from LotR it's that there's no-way to answer this question.
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Return permanently? Not really. But I would like to see him do a guest spot some time or a reunion anniversary show. Something like that.
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Mangini is a great improvement for the band on so many levels.
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Should Frodo have let Gollum hang-on his and Sam's expedition? Right up until the point that Gollum bit off greedy Frodo's finger and stumbled into the lava pits of Mount Doom with the ring of power, the obvious answer to that question was "probably not." So, you never know. MP rejoining the band seems like a bad idea now, but it just might inadvertently save the band from an unforseen tragedy. Obviously, if there's one thing we can take away from LotR it's that there's no-way to answer this question.
:lol :lol :lol
-J
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I don't know about "should" but it's possible that he "could". However, I think that decision has already been made.
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Don't think I'd want him in the band again, but I also don't think that is even a remote possibility. I would like to see an LTE 3, or better yet a guest appearance or something, but I'd say from the way things are going for both sides right now, doesn't seem likely.
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I noticed 6 people thought MP's the man, but other than Marla (no surprise there) nobody wanted to comment on why he should be back.
I was one of the "MP's the man" voters. I'll probably get angry responses for it, but oh well.
One reason I would like to see him come back is the fact that Portnoy wrote some of my favorite DT songs. To be more specific ACOS, The Mirror, The Glass Prison, and Finally Free. Those last three are probably my favorites on their respective albums. Another reason is just his presence, on stage and off: he has a ton of charisma on stage, and off stage I've never seen another musician maintain such a connection with the fans. I'm voting for him because of all he's done to build one of my favorite bands.
I know that Mangini is an amazing drummer technically, and I'm sure he's a great guy, but he has never really been a contributing member of a band. He's always been a hired gun, session guy, or teacher, and honestly I think he'll decide he wants to go back to that sometime in the future. I believe that's what will open the door for MP's return.
But whatever happens with the drummers, as long as JP is the guitar player I'll be a fan.
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I hope it never happens and it probably won't.
But I hope DT never become one of *those* bands that can't keep the same line up for more than one or two albums.
But as stated above, as long as it's Petrucci, LaBrie, Myung and Rudess, the drummer is not a huge concern..
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HELLLLLLLLLLLL NO!
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no.
maybe lte. maybe. but not dt
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New poll option in case anyone wants to change their vote.
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New poll option in case anyone wants to change their vote.
that's pointless. It's just two no options.
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(https://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/21700000/Lana-archer-21775008-100-100.gif)
Nnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooope!
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A totally predictable answer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14)
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I will man up too as wanting MP back in the band if the situation presented itself, otherwise known as option #1.
It is simple. My favorite band and my favorite drummer together again.
I have been a fan since WDADU. I have so many great memories of the past 25+ of DT years and Mike was a major part of the success of it, he does not get the credit around here he has earned even with his recent actions. I nor any of can understand the feeling one has after 25+ road years and dealing with the current reality of it. I have been in bands with friends and we broke up and I am still pissed after playing together for 3-4 years let alone 25 years. MM is a good guy and good drummer but MP will always be the real drummer of DT to me.
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After a dramatic turn of events?
:umno:
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Yeah, a reunion show. Even in light of the recent occurrences.
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I want to change my vote, but I don't see the option for doing so.
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I vote yes.
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In a word: NO. I don't want to have anything to do with him.
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In a word: NO. I don't want to have anything to do with him.
Than return all your DT c.d's except ADTOE
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In a word: NO. I don't want to have anything to do with him.
Than return all your DT c.d's except ADTOE
It's kind of like having all kinds of OJ souveniers.
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Hindsight lol at this thread.
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oh wait, I read that one wrong, but no portnoy shouldnt.
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I don't see it happening, at least for not a long time, what with all the behind the scenes business crap that's been going on. Beyond that, both camps seem satisfied with what they got going on anyway. Mangini just landed the job, and I'm more excited to see what he can bring in a more active writing role for the next album.
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Never said a negative word about MP on any forum and don't intend to do so here. Just wanted to share my vote though and I didn't even intend to vote about this before today:
NO! :tdwn
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He should never ever ever return full time. Up until today I said sure to a reunion show, but I really don't care lol. I'd rather Derek jam with them again instead of MP.
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Mangini is a great improvement for the band on so many levels.
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This dramatic turn of events (Pun intended) has unearthed some animosities between the band and Portnoy... The suing, the fact that JLB and MP maybe never really got into each other.
If they ever get to meet again (Which my inner fanboy hopes, because let's fucking face it Portnoy was an essential part of DT as a band, and even while Mike Mangini is an amazing drummer and an amazing person I still miss the Portnoy-ness of the backstage shows and the fan contact and the show antics and stuff) they will sure have to face these issues, so that makes even more uncomfortable a reunion...
As a matter of fact, I think it's more possible a Liquid Tension Experiment reunion before a DT one.
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I personally love Mike Portnoy as a member of Dream Theater but I also feel that his time with them has come to an end by his choice. Mike Mangini is a very capable drummer and he deserves to be in a band that challenges him like DT. I wouldn't mind seeing a reunion show or possibly a return to a side project like LTE but right now, Mangini earned his spot.
This... I don't see the band ditching MM for Portnoy, even when this shitstorm ends and (hopefully) they reconcile as friends again.
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As a matter of fact, I think it's more possible a Liquid Tension Experiment reunion before a DT one.
I don't even know how possible that is anymore. And less than 48 hours earlier I was in hopes that LT3 would happen some day down the line.
I think this thread could be the end. This is the way it dies.
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MP returning is kinda like this now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4ZwuHfDRP0.
At least the first minute anyway.
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So it turns out there is no lawsuit after all. I wonder if people's votes would have been different. :lol (particularly the 25 people who voted for the new 4th option)
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Yes, in about 5 years with conditions from the guys.
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Definitely yes for a reunion night. But it's not gonna happen if the relationship between MP and DT doesn't get better. It's ridiculous how they can't be friends anymore.
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Definately YES get Portnoy back! I loved the more metal direction the band where going in as i loved metal before i loved DT. Time is a healer. Mangini was fantastic when I saw DT live with him, but although i started to appreciate ADToE a bit more, i just prefer the style and the sound of Portnoy.
I may be wrong, but im under the impression DT wanted Jordan before they hired Derek, but later fired Derek and got Jordan, so I have no doubt that if the situation arose they would release Mangini and get Portnoy back if they wanted. Once the honeymoon period is over they may start to miss Mike.
Lets see how the next album is... Personally i wouldnt want another I&W or Awake, i wouldnt want a similar sound to ADToE, i would like a slightly heavier album, but ultimately I hope they reinvent themselves again, if they dont change their sound and keep using all the same guitar tones and Jordan keeps using 10 different patches per song, i think it could get stale quite quickly and I actually think DT should have had a break... Maybe for just 2 or 3 years.
Mangini is great, Mangini could be far superior to Portnoy, but for me MM isnt Portnoy. The DT I love is MP, JP, JM, JLB and any of the keyboardists. The DT album without MP doesnt sound like DT to me. I try not to get caught up in squabbling musicians and the soap opera of it all - i dont care, i just care about the music so im not gonna hold any of his outbursts against him and his drumming. Portnoy is the man!
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It seems MP has the biggest problem with LaBrie and Myung, in which case, LTE reunion would be the more likely thing to happen imo.
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Definately YES get Portnoy back! I loved the more metal direction the band where going in as i loved metal before i loved DT. Time is a healer. Mangini was fantastic when I saw DT live with him, but although i started to appreciate ADToE a bit more, i just prefer the style and the sound of Portnoy.
I may be wrong, but im under the impression DT wanted Jordan before they hired Derek, but later fired Derek and got Jordan, so I have no doubt that if the situation arose they would release Mangini and get Portnoy back if they wanted. Once the honeymoon period is over they may start to miss Mike.
Lets see how the next album is... Personally i wouldnt want another I&W or Awake, i wouldnt want a similar sound to ADToE, i would like a slightly heavier album, but ultimately I hope they reinvent themselves again, if they dont change their sound and keep using all the same guitar tones and Jordan keeps using 10 different patches per song, i think it could get stale quite quickly and I actually think DT should have had a break... Maybe for just 2 or 3 years.
Mangini is great, Mangini could be far superior to Portnoy, but for me MM isnt Portnoy. The DT I love is MP, JP, JM, JLB and any of the keyboardists. The DT album without MP doesnt sound like DT to me. I try not to get caught up in squabbling musicians and the soap opera of it all - i dont care, i just care about the music so im not gonna hold any of his outbursts against him and his drumming. Portnoy is the man!
Talk about fanboyism! ::)
B.Lee
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I noticed 6 people thought MP's the man, but other than Marla (no surprise there) nobody wanted to comment on why he should be back.
I was one of the "MP's the man" voters. I'll probably get angry responses for it, but oh well.
One reason I would like to see him come back is the fact that Portnoy wrote some of my favorite DT songs. To be more specific ACOS, The Mirror, The Glass Prison, and Finally Free. Those last three are probably my favorites on their respective albums. Another reason is just his presence, on stage and off: he has a ton of charisma on stage, and off stage I've never seen another musician maintain such a connection with the fans. I'm voting for him because of all he's done to build one of my favorite bands.
I know that Mangini is an amazing drummer technically, and I'm sure he's a great guy, but he has never really been a contributing member of a band. He's always been a hired gun, session guy, or teacher, and honestly I think he'll decide he wants to go back to that sometime in the future. I believe that's what will open the door for MP's return.
But whatever happens with the drummers, as long as JP is the guitar player I'll be a fan.
(https://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p5/thereseskordal/gifs/SlowClap.gif)
I agree with everything you have said, sir.
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Bertielee Im entitled to my opinion and im not a sheep that just says what everyone else says.... If you dont like opinions same or different, dont look at an opinion pole. You could say the same about all the Mangini love and Portnoy hate being fanboyism - so your comment is just stupid. I thought i was quite complimentary towards Mangini, which makes your comment even more pathetic as its very easy to dismiss a difference of opinion as fanboyism.
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If the two sides ever make amends and Mangini decides to leave then yes. He needs to change his ways, he can't have that much control.
I think Mangini has found his home. Judging from his reaction when DT told him he was the new drummer, he was so emotional.
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If the two sides ever make amends and Mangini decides to leave then yes. He needs to change his ways, he can't have that much control.
I think Mangini has found his home. Judging from his reaction when DT told him he was the new drummer, he was so emotional.
I think that was to be expected given his history of never being in a band full-time as an official member.
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Feel free to post comments after voting
I voted YES! Mangini is the man, and a great drummer. But I'd like to see the previous lineup of DT intact once again. Maybe a Yes style reunion.
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If the two sides ever make amends and Mangini decides to leave then yes. He needs to change his ways, he can't have that much control.
I think Mangini has found his home. Judging from his reaction when DT told him he was the new drummer, he was so emotional.
I think that was to be expected given his history of never being in a band full-time as an official member.
Yeah I don't see him leaving the band or getting canned. I think Mangini will be there until DT is done.
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If the two sides ever make amends and Mangini decides to leave then yes. He needs to change his ways, he can't have that much control.
I think Mangini has found his home. Judging from his reaction when DT told him he was the new drummer, he was so emotional.
I think that was to be expected given his history of never being in a band full-time as an official member.
Yeah I don't see him leaving the band or getting canned. I think Mangini will be there until DT is done.
I share the unpopular opinion on the matter (wanting MP's return ASAP), however I fear that you are correct.
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I love how everyone's saying they can't see Mangini getting fired, when DT totally fired Derek because they wanted Rudess.
Total bummer if you think about it. Poor Derek.
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I love how everyone's saying they can't see Mangini getting fired, when DT totally fired Derek because they wanted Rudess.
Total bummer if you think about it. Poor Derek.
I guess I could see it, just judging by the current comments regarding the band by the band members it seems to be going pretty well at the time being.
Poor Derek indeed.
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I think the situation is completely different. Portnoy and DT are not on good terms and won't be for a long time. Just released a new album about to go on tour and aren't looking back. As for Derek, well yeah poor him.
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I think the situation is completely different. Portnoy and DT are not on good terms and won't be for a long time. Just released a new album about to go on tour and aren't looking back. As for Derek, well yeah poor him.
Oh, I totally understand that. I was just trying to point out to everyone that it's not like DT is afraid to fire anyone, you know?
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I voted no as I think the band's way better off with Mangini at the moment. Plus, the way I see it most reunions only come about for financial reasons and usually show the bands' heyday magic is long gone (even with a classic lineup). You hardly ever get an actual new record out of these reunions and when you do... well... it usually leaves a whole lot to be desired. And on top of that there's absolutely no garantee that they would even want to regroup with MP if (for whatever reason) MM left band. They might as well audition a new drummer (or ask one of the drummers they auditioned last year to join the band).
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I voted no as I think the band's way better off with Mangini at the moment. Plus, the way I see it most reunions only come about for financial reasons and usually show the bands' heyday magic is long gone (even with a classic lineup). You hardly ever get an actual new record out of these reunions and when you do... well... it usually leaves a whole lot to be desired. And on top of that there's absolutely no garantee that they would even want to regroup with MP if (for whatever reason) MM left band. They might as well audition a new drummer (or ask one of the drummers they auditioned last year to join the band).
MP created the drum sound that has defined their music, MM will basically be playing the style that MP created for his entire tenure of being in DT. MM is an excellent drummer, but as being an excellent drummer I would imagine that would start to grind him at some point. When you listen to ADToE, all of the drums used are drums that MP used, timing seems like something that MP might have done (in many cases anyways, IMO), etc. I would think that MM would eventually want to carve something for himself rather than being the MP 'replacement'.
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Day by day, MP loses more and more of my respect. He has been playing the victim card since day 1, and that's just simply not cool. There is no victim here. He wanted a break, they chose not to quit their day job. Basically as no brainer there. Watching him act childish wish spreading his each and every thought over the internet like a 16 year old is ridiculous. Watching him trying to clean up his mess afterwards is even more priceless.
When MP left DT, I wasn't remorseful but I wasn't pleased.
A year later, I find I am thrilled. I hope he never returns. Yes he has done as much as he can for the fans, but that doesn't right all of his recent wrongs in my eyes. And he holds himself in much to high regard when it comes to the past of Dream Theater:
John Petrucci and myself were, and I think will always be, the sound and the style and the heart and the soul of DREAM THEATER.
:rollin :lol
It's fucking hard to be the heart and soul of a band you walked out on. And the fact that Dream Theater's signature sound in still intact with the release of ADTOE just shows that Portnoy has his heads in the Mike Portnoy ego-clouds.
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Portnoy who?
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Definately YES get Portnoy back! I loved the more metal direction the band where going in as i loved metal before i loved DT. Time is a healer. Mangini was fantastic when I saw DT live with him, but although i started to appreciate ADToE a bit more, i just prefer the style and the sound of Portnoy.
I may be wrong, but im under the impression DT wanted Jordan before they hired Derek, but later fired Derek and got Jordan, so I have no doubt that if the situation arose they would release Mangini and get Portnoy back if they wanted. Once the honeymoon period is over they may start to miss Mike.
Lets see how the next album is... Personally i wouldnt want another I&W or Awake, i wouldnt want a similar sound to ADToE, i would like a slightly heavier album, but ultimately I hope they reinvent themselves again, if they dont change their sound and keep using all the same guitar tones and Jordan keeps using 10 different patches per song, i think it could get stale quite quickly and I actually think DT should have had a break... Maybe for just 2 or 3 years.
Mangini is great, Mangini could be far superior to Portnoy, but for me MM isnt Portnoy. The DT I love is MP, JP, JM, JLB and any of the keyboardists. The DT album without MP doesnt sound like DT to me. I try not to get caught up in squabbling musicians and the soap opera of it all - i dont care, i just care about the music so im not gonna hold any of his outbursts against him and his drumming. Portnoy is the man!
Talk about fanboyism! ::)
B.Lee
Yes, it's fanboyism because the guy liked the direction they were going in and you don't. I don't agree with him, but it's not fanboyism to say he liked the other direction better, it's called an opinion.
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So it turns out there is no lawsuit after all. I wonder if people's votes would have been different. :lol (particularly the 25 people who voted for the new 4th option)
Interestly his positive poll numbers went up as well. so his defenders had a good impact for him. i don't know how the others would vote if the option weren't there, BUT he did stasrt a lawsuit in motion wether he went forward or not, and that in itself sucks.
Now we also don't know why it DIDN' proceed. He may have had second thoughts and realized it was the wrong thig to do, or it could be his lawyer convinced him moving forward would only cost a lot of money and he couldn't win anyways.
Another interesting point was that MP's wife mentioned to the moderator for the MP Forum that hundreds of thousands of dollars were on the linefor Mike, etc. That would indicate to me at the very least that there are some negotiations going on to try to button this up and the cloudy followed by shitstorm that hit last night wasn't helping the situation out..
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I love how everyone's saying they can't see Mangini getting fired, when DT totally fired Derek because they wanted Rudess.
Total bummer if you think about it. Poor Derek.
Might be because they had a chance to build a relationship with him in LTE first, which is one of the key things they were looking for when trying out different drummers. Personally, I would have loved to see Minneman get the job because I like his style more than Mangini's, but I don't know how serious about it he was in the first place. In the end it looks like they got along with Mangini the best and went with him (not that that's the only factor they considered, but it seemed like a big one).
It would have been interesting though to see what they could have done with Sherinian if he stayed, I mean c'mon, we only got ONE album with him, yet on the other hand we got SFAM, SDOIT, TOT and Octavarium (yes, I'm in the minority with those last two) with Jordan. Back on topic though, I don't think they'll so easily let him go as they did with Derek. If anything, he's such a class act that I could honestly see him stepping down for Portnoy to come back at some time.
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Who's Mike Portnoy? :lol
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I'm not sure why people are bringing up DS. It's become clear over time that JP and MP at least wanted Rudess the whole time. With MM, it's pretty clear that at least for the moment MP isn't wanted back. And out of all the drummers who auditioned MM was definitely the guy they wanted.
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Well he's my favourite drummer, so of course I want him back in my favourite band asap. That said, MM's doing an amazing job, and seems to be having the absolute time of his life, so it'd not only be unfair to drop him, but it'd be a loss to the band to lose such a talent.
I'd love to see it happen, but only if MM either left of his own accord first or if unexpected circumstances forced him to leave. Yeah, a reunion project is more realistic at the moment when things are patched up, it'd be great to see.
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Not anytime soon. Down the road probably. My feeling of MP fucking too much with the band's sound was confirmed on this album. Myung higher up in the mix and lyrics, and no stupid aggressive vocals. Or in other words, no more trying to shoe horn a square DT into MPs current round hole tastes. Clearly MP is at a different place than DT musically and personally.
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Never. MM is a better drummer and better fit for DT.
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No.
:tup