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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Tumdace on September 16, 2011, 08:37:57 PM
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ToT may not be my favourite album, but I absolutely love this song. It has to be in my top 5 favourite DT songs, and IMO is the 2nd best ending to an album (after LtL of course). Thoughts?
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It's my favorite song on that album and one of the best songs they've done in the last 10 years. I dunno if it's top 10, but definitely top 20 material, right there.
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Great song, but the chorus just repeats too many times. Can make it a difficult song for me to get through very often. My favorite version is the LAB one because of the added epic JP solo at the end :tup
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It's my favorite song on that album and one of the best songs they've done in the last 10 years. I dunno if it's top 10, but definitely top 20 material, right there.
I completely agree with all these statements.
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It's my favorite song on that album and one of the best songs they've done in the last 10 years. I dunno if it's top 10, but definitely top 20 material, right there.
I completely agree with all these statements.
I agree with all of the above
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It's a good song, top 50 DT for me.
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The worst song on ToT. It's probably DT's simplest epic and one of DT's simpler songs period if you disregard the admittedly cool unison.
I don't know, something just rubs me the wrong way about this song. I just feel like a 14-minute song should tread a little more ground than In the Name of God does.
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The worst song on ToT. It's probably DT's simplest epic and one of DT's simpler songs period if you disregard the admittedly cool unison.
I don't know, something just rubs me the wrong way about this song. I just feel like a 14-minute song should tread a little more ground than In the Name of God does.
Not all long songs are epic. ITNOG is not an epic, it's a long song.
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The worst song on ToT. It's probably DT's simplest epic and one of DT's simpler songs period if you disregard the admittedly cool unison.
I don't know, something just rubs me the wrong way about this song. I just feel like a 14-minute song should tread a little more ground than In the Name of God does.
Not all long songs are epic. ITNOG is not an epic, it's a long song.
I get the feeling that DT was certainly *trying* to make an epic. The outro is certainly epic. But whether or not the song is indeed epic is quite beside the point I was trying to make.
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Who the hell cares about epic or not? The song has amazing riffage, variety in the verses that totally groove and hit hard. I love this song so much. Don't get caught up if its epic or not. I think epic is one of the stupidest words that people use to describe music. /rant+appreciation for this great song.
Carry on fellows!
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Controversial opinion:
ITNOG is the best song to be found on ToT, SC, 8V and BC&SL.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying that, but it comes damn close.
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Controversial opinion:
ITNOG is the best song to be found on ToT, SC, 8V and BC&SL.
I agree... besides Endless Sacrifice.
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Controversial opinion:
ITNOG is the best song to be found on ToT, SC, 8V and BC&SL.
I agree... besides Endless Sacrifice.
:|
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Controversial opinion:
ITNOG is the best song to be found on ToT, SC, 8V and BC&SL.
:yeahright
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Controversial opinion:
ITNOG is the best song to be found on ToT, SC, 8V and BC&SL.
I think I might agree. I rank ITNOG extremely highly, like top 5. The later albums all have songs I rank very highly too, but probably none that can quite top ITNOG for me. :tup
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The worst song on ToT. It's probably DT's simplest epic and one of DT's simpler songs period if you disregard the admittedly cool unison.
I don't know, something just rubs me the wrong way about this song. I just feel like a 14-minute song should tread a little more ground than In the Name of God does.
Not all long songs are epic. ITNOG is not an epic, it's a long song.
Well someone gets it. I love me some ITNOG so it's an all around winner.
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It's MILES better than everything on the mediocre ToT except possibly SoC and Vacant. Good song--if not as great as it's often made out to be--and the guitar solo at the end of the Budokan version (as I think someone already mentioned) is a sweet addition.
That said, it's quite a bit too long, and it has one of the worst instrumental sections DT have ever done. Very, very bloated and completely uninteresting throughout to me, although from the sound of it, I'm sure it's extremely difficult to play.
-J
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Controversial opinion:
ITNOG is the best song to be found on ToT, SC, 8V and BC&SL.
I think I might agree. I rank ITNOG extremely highly, like top 5. The later albums all have songs I rank very highly too, but probably none that can quite top ITNOG for me. :tup
Sir yes sir!
On my top 3 of all time i almost cried when I heard the guitar intro live! Cause I knew what I was about to be witness of!
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Controversial opinion:
ITNOG is the best song to be found on ToT, SC, 8V and BC&SL.
I can actually agree with this! It's a top 10 DT song for me.
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I rank ITNOG veery highly, it's in my top10 definitely.
Anyway, I like almost each song from ToT. I don't get all this hate.
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It's in my top 1...
My absolute favourite DT song.
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Gonna be controversial here and say it may be one of my least favourite DT songs. Its way too long, and even if it was shorter it would still be boring
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Controversial opinion:
ITNOG is the best song to be found on ToT, SC, 8V and BC&SL.
I agree... besides Endless Sacrifice.
Oh, god that single keyboard/guitar unison in Endless Sacrifice singlehandedly got me to start playing keyboards.
ITNOG is still better though >>
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It's a good song, but it seems to drag a little.
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Controversial opinion:
ITNOG is the best song to be found on ToT, SC, 8V and BC&SL.
I think I can agree with this. In the Name of God is awesome from start to finish, doesn't have any lulls, and is an exciting listen all of the way through. Two years ago, I would have said both The Count of Tuscany and Octavarium were better, but I am not always in the mood for OV's really slow build, and minutes 4-9 of The Count are simply pretty average DT fare. The best moments of both songs are definitely pretty awesome, but as whole songs, they stop a bit short from being truly great.
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Amazing song. DT really did something special with TOT, and this song is the perfect closer for that era. I like ES slightly more from TOT, but this song comes close. And it is proper to use epic as an adjective to describe it.
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And it is proper to use epic as an adjective to describe it.
And anyone who disagrees will have the outro Budokan solo come fight them in the face.
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Controversial opinion:
ITNOG is the best song to be found on ToT, SC, 8V and BC&SL.
I don't see what's so controversial about that. Of course, I agree with it...
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Amazing song. DT really did something special with TOT, and this song is the perfect closer for that era. I like ES slightly more from TOT, but this song comes close. And it is proper to use epic as an adjective to describe it.
"Epic," as in the watered-down, teenage Internet vernacular? I guess. "Epic," as in the traditional definition? No.
And it is proper to use epic as an adjective to describe it.
And anyone who disagrees will have the outro Budokan solo come fight them in the face.
So... tack on a nice solo to the end of Margaritaville, and it's an epic? Interesting.
Anyway, I think ITNOG is a good song and I don't think it drags at all. Octavarium the song is better, though, IMHO.
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So... tack on a nice solo to the end of Margaritaville, and it's an epic? Interesting.
If you tacked the ITNOG Budokan guitar solo to the end it? Hell yes! Cut it together and just try and say otherwise. :lol
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Controversial opinion:
ITNOG is the best song to be found on ToT, SC, 8V and BC&SL.
I don't think it's that controversial. I've rarely gotten any flack when I've said it's my favourite Dream Theater song, which it is. Enough people regard it so highly that it isn't that surprising.
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Amazing song. DT really did something special with TOT, and this song is the perfect closer for that era. I like ES slightly more from TOT, but this song comes close. And it is proper to use epic as an adjective to describe it.
"Epic," as in the watered-down, teenage Internet vernacular? I guess. "Epic," as in the traditional definition? No.
I think Hell's Kitchen is epic. It has that epic feel to it. I am talking musically. There is this grandeur to the music that Hell's Kitchen has, that INTOG has that Razor's Edge has, etc...so, lol.
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"Epic," as in the watered-down, teenage Internet vernacular? I guess. "Epic," as in the traditional definition? No.
What "traditional definition"? The traditional definition refers to a style of poetry. Only recently did we come to use it to refer to music at all.
EDIT: Now that I think of it, there are very few songs in my iTunes library that could literally be called epic. The only one that comes to mind as an accurate epic would be Symphony X's "The Odyssey" for obvious reasons.
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INTOG's harmonic is the only harmonic in the world to give me chills. It's such a beastly and satisfying moment. The unison through to the harmonic is the best section of the album. And why the hell didn't they end the studio version with the Budokan outro? It is a far more powerful end to the song than the album version.
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If you tacked the ITNOG Budokan guitar solo to the end it? Hell yes! Cut it together and just try and say otherwise. :lol
:hefdaddy
I think Hell's Kitchen is epic. It has that epic feel to it. I am talking musically. There is this grandeur to the music that Hell's Kitchen has, that INTOG has that Razor's Edge has, etc...so, lol.
OK. :)
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And why the hell didn't they end the studio version with the Budokan outro? It is a far more powerful end to the song than the album version.
I couldn't disagree with you more...the studio ending (with The Battle Hymn of the Republic quietly underneath) makes the studio version way more powerful, and fundamentally affects the interpretation of the song...and it's just badass. I also like how the levels of the other instruments drop out, leaving only the keys. The live version is just a live guitar solo (albeit a decent one).
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"Epic," as in the watered-down, teenage Internet vernacular? I guess. "Epic," as in the traditional definition? No.
What "traditional definition"? The traditional definition refers to a style of poetry. Only recently did we come to use it to refer to music at all.
EDIT: Now that I think of it, there are very few songs in my iTunes library that could literally be called epic. The only one that comes to mind as an accurate epic would be Symphony X's "The Odyssey" for obvious reasons.
Music is an evolution of poetry, so yes. And not really a style, but more pertaining to content.
Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen is an epic, and has been described as such for over a century. But if you mean like when we say, "oh man, that song is epic!" why, then, yes.
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"Epic," as in the watered-down, teenage Internet vernacular? I guess. "Epic," as in the traditional definition? No.
What "traditional definition"? The traditional definition refers to a style of poetry. Only recently did we come to use it to refer to music at all.
EDIT: Now that I think of it, there are very few songs in my iTunes library that could literally be called epic. The only one that comes to mind as an accurate epic would be Symphony X's "The Odyssey" for obvious reasons.
Music is an evolution of poetry, so yes. And not really a style, but more pertaining to content.
Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen is an epic, and has been described as such for over a century. But if you mean like when we say, "oh man, that song is epic!" why, then, yes.
We're in agreement but the fact is that NOBODY, on this forum or on any other music-related forum, will define epic as "a storyline wherein an epic hero goes on a journey and accomplishes heroic tasks". There's sufficient evidence to argue that the meaning of the word has changed.
Having said that, argument over what or what doesn't constitute an "epic" is always silly for exactly that reason. It's a word with a new meaning, which meaning is not strictly defined.
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"Epic" is one of my three least favorite words when discussing DT.
The other two are "nugget" and "concept".
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Controversial opinion:
ITNOG is the best song to be found on ToT, SC, 8V, BC&SL, WDADU, I&W, Awake, FII, SFAM, SDOIT and ADTOE.
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I don't care for it much, really. There are several better songs on the album (TDS, ES, HTF, Vacant), and it just doesn't sound like a good closer compared to pretty much every other DT closer. Though I do like the ending of the song.
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The Riffs. The Riffs. The Riffs.
The way the EPIC piano kicks in on the chorus.
Labrie sounds great.
The great Spanish sounding instrumental part.
It is a top 5-10 song for me. Also, my personal definition of an epic is any song over over 12 minutes in length.
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Definitely the best song on ToT.
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The Riffs. The Riffs. The Riffs.
The way the EPIC piano kicks in on the chorus.
Labrie sounds great.
The great Spanish sounding instrumental part.
It is a top 5-10 song for me. Also, my personal definition of an epic is any song over over 12 minutes in length.
Damn, The Grateful Dead must be the most epic band ever! :metal
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"Epic" is one of my three least favorite words when discussing DT.
The other two are "nugget" and "concept".
Really? I love the concept of epic nuggets in DT's music.
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The best song on ToT, and a Top 20 DT song for me. I'm glad I got to see it played live in 2009.
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I used to not like this song. But within the last 2 years its grown on me tremedously. 40 SONS AND DAUGHTERS.
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[So... tack on a nice solo to the end of Margaritaville, and it's an epic?
Of course not.
Margaritaville is already an epic. Salt! Salt! Salt!
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[So... tack on a nice solo to the end of Margaritaville, and it's an epic?
Of course not.
Margaritaville is already an epic. Salt! Salt! Salt!
The three travelers, men of Willowdale, journey into the dark and forbidding lands, in search of their lost shaker of salt. Ultimately they will become empty, mindless specters, and realize it's their own damn fault.
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The three travelers, men of Willowdale, journey into the dark and forbidding lands, in search of their lost shaker of salt. Ultimately they will become empty, mindless specters, and realize it's their own damn fault.
Clocks in at 12:32 on album version. Therefore it is an epic. I chose 12 minutes because 10 minutes would include way too many songs by too many bands. 15 minutes would exclude too many songs. So I split the difference. It mostly works.
The only other criteria I can think of is going by liner notes (if the song is split into clear distinct sections by the band such as octavarium), or if the song tells a specific story with multiple characters.
Also if a live version extends a song beyond the 12 minute mark it does not qualify.
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I actually think it's rather boring...
The 5:34 bass part is pretty cool, though. Besides that, the song doesn't do anything for me.
4th favorite on ToT behind SoC, HTF and Vacant.
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"Epic" is one of my three least favorite words when discussing DT.
The other two are "nugget" and "concept".
Really? I love the concept of epic nuggets in DT's music.
>:(
Must...kill...Priest....
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shhh... the solar federation hears everything... :-X
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The three travelers, men of Willowdale, journey into the dark and forbidding lands, in search of their lost shaker of salt. Ultimately they will become empty, mindless specters, and realize it's their own damn fault.
Clocks in at 12:32 on album version. Therefore it is an epic. I chose 12 minutes because 10 minutes would include way too many songs by too many bands. 15 minutes would exclude too many songs. So I split the difference. It mostly works.
The only other criteria I can think of is going by liner notes (if the song is split into clear distinct sections by the band such as octavarium), or if the song tells a specific story with multiple characters.
Also if a live version extends a song beyond the 12 minute mark it does not qualify.
This is... not good.
There is NOTHING epic about In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida.
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There is NOTHING epic about In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida.
I disagree:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4g-wx2Y_wg
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Love this song, was my favourite DT track for a while until I realised how awesome I&W was. Now it's probably a top 5 track. Budokan version :metal
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There is NOTHING epic about In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida.
I disagree:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4g-wx2Y_wg
Wait a minute, this sounds like rock and or roll... :rollin
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I had this ranked as my # 2 song (behind LTL) on the top fifty thread, so you can better believe I love this song. It just works on every level. Perhaps it's a bit simplistic for a DT "epic" but that simplicity works. You don't have to have ten different things going on in a song at the same time to make for an enjoyable song.