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Poll
Question: Best? (Can pick two options)
Option 1: To Live Forever votes: 23
Option 2: Don't Look Past Me votes: 23
Option 3: Eve votes: 30
Option 4: Raise the Knife votes: 44
Option 5: Speak to Me votes: 24
Option 6: Cover My Eyes votes: 1
Option 7: The Way It Used To Be votes: 8
Option 8: Where Are You Now? votes: 1
Title: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Vajra on July 25, 2011, 11:43:32 AM
If I missed one, let me know.

My pick is for DLPM and TLF
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 25, 2011, 11:44:25 AM
Eve, Raise the Knife
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Zydar on July 25, 2011, 11:46:14 AM
To Live Forever and Speak To Me
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Vajra on July 25, 2011, 11:47:26 AM
Quote from: chrisbDTM on July 25, 2011, 11:44:25 AM
Eve, Raise the Knife
Eve = Elevator Music

(imo)
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: yorost on July 25, 2011, 11:51:13 AM
All of the Majesty demos plus some other pre Labrie stuff are missing.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Vajra on July 25, 2011, 11:53:49 AM
Quote from: yorost on July 25, 2011, 11:51:13 AM
All of the Majesty demos plus some other pre Labrie stuff are missing.
I checked Yste Jame records, and all the demos pre Labrie are from Majesty, so they technically aren't Dream Theater demos. I would have also had to make a bunch of other polls, which I was too lazy to do lol.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: stryker on July 25, 2011, 11:57:25 AM
Don't Look Past Me and Eve
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: ZirconBlue on July 25, 2011, 12:02:00 PM
The Way it Used to Be.  One of my favorite songs.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Mladen on July 25, 2011, 12:11:26 PM
Quote from: ZirconBlue on July 25, 2011, 12:02:00 PM
The Way it Used to Be.  One of my favorite songs.
This one.  :metal

Also Raise the knife.

Also Where are you now, but I accidentally pressed the button before I picked the song.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 25, 2011, 12:21:12 PM
Quote from: Samara on July 25, 2011, 11:47:26 AM
Quote from: chrisbDTM on July 25, 2011, 11:44:25 AM
Eve, Raise the Knife
Eve = friggin awesome Elevator Music

(imo)

fixed
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: toro on July 25, 2011, 12:34:27 PM
Eve and Speak to Me.
Quote from: Samara on July 25, 2011, 11:47:26 AM
Quote from: chrisbDTM on July 25, 2011, 11:44:25 AM
Eve, Raise the Knife
Eve = Elevator Music

(imo)
NO U
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: wammabe on July 25, 2011, 01:00:27 PM
Quote from: Samara on July 25, 2011, 11:47:26 AM
Quote from: chrisbDTM on July 25, 2011, 11:44:25 AM
Eve, Raise the Knife
Eve = Elevator Music

(imo)

Your opinion is wrong.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Jarlaxle on July 25, 2011, 01:49:17 PM
This isn't a question... Raise The Knife.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: yorost on July 25, 2011, 01:52:50 PM
Quote from: Samara on July 25, 2011, 11:53:49 AM
Quote from: yorost on July 25, 2011, 11:51:13 AM
All of the Majesty demos plus some other pre Labrie stuff are missing.
I checked Yste Jame records, and all the demos pre Labrie are from Majesty, so they technically aren't Dream Theater demos. I would have also had to make a bunch of other polls, which I was too lazy to do lol.
Majesty is Dream Theater.  They changed names, not bands! :lol

Anyways, Don't Look Past Me, even if you did add everything else.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Plasmastrike on July 25, 2011, 01:53:12 PM
Hmm..

Eve and Raise The Knife, for sure.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: edu on July 25, 2011, 01:53:35 PM
Raise the Knife! I remember hearing it for the first time in Score. Love it!
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Post by: pmahoney1337 on July 25, 2011, 02:21:33 PM
I voted Don't Look Past Me and Eve and forgot to vote for To Live Forever (I would've replaced Eve for it) :(. Love the guitar solo and overall feel of Don't Look Past Me and James sounds incredible on To Live Forever.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Nick on July 25, 2011, 02:22:26 PM
To me there are three B-sides that stand above the rest as phenomenal.

They are Don't Look Past Me, Raise the Knife, and Speak to Me. I had to axe one for the poll, which was Speak to Me.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Heretic on July 25, 2011, 03:39:39 PM
Quote from: chrisbDTM on July 25, 2011, 11:44:25 AM
Eve, Raise the Knife
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Vajra on July 25, 2011, 03:42:55 PM
Quote from: Nick on July 25, 2011, 02:22:26 PM
To me there are three B-sides that stand above the rest as phenomenal.

They are Don't Look Past Me, Raise the Knife, and Speak to Me. I had to axe one for the poll, which was Speak to Me.
Have you heard the studio version of To Live Forever with James on vocals? That song is a near-masterpiece. How it didn't make the final cut is beyond me, same goes for DLPM.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: wasteland on July 25, 2011, 03:46:23 PM
Quote from: Samara on July 25, 2011, 03:42:55 PM
Quote from: Nick on July 25, 2011, 02:22:26 PM
To me there are three B-sides that stand above the rest as phenomenal.

They are Don't Look Past Me, Raise the Knife, and Speak to Me. I had to axe one for the poll, which was Speak to Me.
Have you heard the studio version of To Live Forever with James on vocals? That song is a near-masterpiece. How it didn't make the final cut is beyond me, same goes for DLPM.

They felt that those two songs were not strong enough to be put in the album, and as a consequence decided to write Another Day and Surrounded. Not two of the songs you would commonly wish had not existed, I guess  :lol Life is strange...
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Nick on July 25, 2011, 04:19:03 PM
To Live Forever is a good song, but I don't think it's on the level of the three songs I mentioned.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: snapple on July 25, 2011, 04:20:12 PM
Another Won. It honestly describes DT in won song.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Evo on July 25, 2011, 04:20:52 PM
Don't Look Past Me, by a landslide! It's one of my favorite DT songs...
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Vajra on July 25, 2011, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: wasteland on July 25, 2011, 03:46:23 PM

They felt that those two songs were not strong enough to be put in the album, and as a consequence decided to write Another Day and Surrounded. Not two of the songs you would commonly wish had not existed, I guess  :lol Life is strange...
The final cut of Images and Words had about 15 minutes of empty space, there was plenty of room to fit To Live Forever, Don't Look Past Me, and Eve on it.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: FsF on July 25, 2011, 06:31:17 PM
Don't Look Past Me and Eve: Kevin Moore at the peak of his proggy powers. Pretty darned good selection of non-album songs, really speaks for DT's quality from that period as a whole.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: pmahoney1337 on July 25, 2011, 06:32:28 PM
Quote from: Samara on July 25, 2011, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: wasteland on July 25, 2011, 03:46:23 PM

They felt that those two songs were not strong enough to be put in the album, and as a consequence decided to write Another Day and Surrounded. Not two of the songs you would commonly wish had not existed, I guess  :lol Life is strange...
The final cut of Images and Words had about 15 minutes of empty space, there was plenty of room to fit To Live Forever, Don't Look Past Me, and Eve on it.
I don't think Don't Look Past Me or Eve would work well on I&W. They just don't sound like they would fit on it.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Vajra on July 25, 2011, 06:38:22 PM
Quote from: pmahoney1337 on July 25, 2011, 06:32:28 PM
Quote from: Samara on July 25, 2011, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: wasteland on July 25, 2011, 03:46:23 PM

They felt that those two songs were not strong enough to be put in the album, and as a consequence decided to write Another Day and Surrounded. Not two of the songs you would commonly wish had not existed, I guess  :lol Life is strange...
The final cut of Images and Words had about 15 minutes of empty space, there was plenty of room to fit To Live Forever, Don't Look Past Me, and Eve on it.
I don't think Don't Look Past Me or Eve would work well on I&W. They just don't sound like they would fit on it.
If "Wait For Sleep" had been a demo and not on the album, people would have said the same exact thing about that. It sounds nothing like the album, yet it works perfectly, so I don't see a problem with DLPM and Eve.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: bosk1 on July 25, 2011, 06:46:54 PM
I was tempted to take issue with your list as well, but I'll just leave it be.  Incidentally, I voted Raise The Knife and To Live Forever, but I considerably like several of the others as well.


But:
Quote from: Samara on July 25, 2011, 04:43:55 PMThe final cut of Images and Words had about 15 minutes of empty space, there was plenty of room to fit To Live Forever, Don't Look Past Me, and Eve on it.
No it didn't.  Cassettes were still the primary format in '92, not CD's.  For a normal-length cassette, it was full.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Vajra on July 25, 2011, 06:58:44 PM
Quote from: bosk1 on July 25, 2011, 06:46:54 PM
No it didn't.  Cassettes were still the primary format in '92, not CD's.  For a normal-length cassette, it was full.
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Wow, didn't know that. Intresting stuff.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Jirpo on July 25, 2011, 07:00:09 PM
Raise the Knife, Where are you now
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: yorost on July 25, 2011, 07:04:02 PM
Quote from: wasteland on July 25, 2011, 03:46:23 PM
Quote from: Samara on July 25, 2011, 03:42:55 PM
Quote from: Nick on July 25, 2011, 02:22:26 PM
To me there are three B-sides that stand above the rest as phenomenal.

They are Don't Look Past Me, Raise the Knife, and Speak to Me. I had to axe one for the poll, which was Speak to Me.
Have you heard the studio version of To Live Forever with James on vocals? That song is a near-masterpiece. How it didn't make the final cut is beyond me, same goes for DLPM.

They felt that those two songs were not strong enough to be put in the album, and as a consequence decided to write Another Day and Surrounded. Not two of the songs you would commonly wish had not existed, I guess  :lol Life is strange...
I never actually knew that, and it makes me depressed for Images and Words since those two songs are exactly what drags the album down for me.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Nick on July 25, 2011, 07:34:56 PM
Well the thread starter didn't seem to be going back to the majesty demos, but if we do then Another Won would probably top everything.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Slain on July 25, 2011, 07:41:47 PM
Raise the Knife, no contest for me.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Vajra on July 25, 2011, 07:53:14 PM
Quote from: Nick on July 25, 2011, 07:34:56 PM
Well the thread starter didn't seem to be going back to the majesty demos, but if we do then Another Won would probably top everything.
The Majesty demos have some amazing material, Another Won being one of them. Easily as good as some of modern DT. If they were to re-record the albums with modern production and James on vocals, that would be fantastic. (I'd also like the same to be done for WDADU)
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: pmahoney1337 on July 25, 2011, 08:15:01 PM
Quote from: Samara on July 25, 2011, 06:38:22 PM
Quote from: pmahoney1337 on July 25, 2011, 06:32:28 PM
Quote from: Samara on July 25, 2011, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: wasteland on July 25, 2011, 03:46:23 PM

They felt that those two songs were not strong enough to be put in the album, and as a consequence decided to write Another Day and Surrounded. Not two of the songs you would commonly wish had not existed, I guess  :lol Life is strange...
The final cut of Images and Words had about 15 minutes of empty space, there was plenty of room to fit To Live Forever, Don't Look Past Me, and Eve on it.
I don't think Don't Look Past Me or Eve would work well on I&W. They just don't sound like they would fit on it.
If "Wait For Sleep" had been a demo and not on the album, people would have said the same exact thing about that. It sounds nothing like the album, yet it works perfectly, so I don't see a problem with DLPM and Eve.
As long as Learning to Live was still on the album I don't see why Wait for Sleep wouldn't work well on I&W. After all, Wait for Sleep is the prelude to Learning to Live.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: ? on July 26, 2011, 05:20:29 AM
Don't Look Past Me and Speak to Me. To Live Forever is quite awesome too.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Infinite Cactus on July 26, 2011, 06:04:10 AM
To Live Forever and Don't Look Past Me are easily the best to me. Followed closely by The Way It Used To Be, Where Are You Now, and Raise The Knife
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 26, 2011, 01:49:52 PM
Speak to Me and Eve. To Live Forever and Don't Look Past Me are close
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: bosk1 on July 26, 2011, 01:52:09 PM
Quote from: pmahoney1337 on July 25, 2011, 08:15:01 PMAfter all, Wait for Sleep is the prelude to Learning to Live.

:facepalm:  No it isn't!














































It's a prelude to awesome.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 26, 2011, 02:03:26 PM
Eve and Speak to Me. Both are beautiful songs
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: pmahoney1337 on July 26, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
Quote from: bosk1 on July 26, 2011, 01:52:09 PM
Quote from: pmahoney1337 on July 25, 2011, 08:15:01 PMAfter all, Wait for Sleep is the prelude to Learning to Live.

:facepalm:  No it isn't!















































It's a prelude to awesome.
Wait is it really not? I always got the feeling that it was kind of made as an intro to LtL.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: bosk1 on July 26, 2011, 02:09:10 PM
Quote from: Jamesman on July 26, 2011, 02:03:26 PM
Eve and Speak to Me. Both are beautiful songs

I just listened to the version of Eve on the Dream Bill bootleg this morning and was just overwhelmed with a feeling of "I just don't get what people see in this song."  To this day, I find nothing to like about it. 
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 26, 2011, 02:10:25 PM
Eve, To Live Forever and Raise The Knife ;) I can't vote three, but if I could it would be it.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 26, 2011, 02:14:39 PM
Quote from: bosk1 on July 26, 2011, 02:09:10 PM
Quote from: Jamesman on July 26, 2011, 02:03:26 PM
Eve and Speak to Me. Both are beautiful songs

I just listened to the version of Eve on the Dream Bill bootleg this morning and was just overwhelmed with a feeling of "I just don't get what people see in this song."  To this day, I find nothing to like about it. 

That's because there is something seriously wrong with you. We have tried to tell you this many times...here's hoping you will see that you need help man...we are pushing for you.

Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 26, 2011, 04:57:02 PM
Quote from: chrisbDTM on July 25, 2011, 11:44:25 AM
Eve, Raise the Knife
These.

BTW, bosky, although I absolutely love the studio recording of Eve, I've never been too enamored with any live version I've ever heard.  Stick to the demo.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: bosk1 on July 26, 2011, 04:58:49 PM
Yeah, good point. 
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Implode on July 26, 2011, 05:26:27 PM
Which version of To Live Forever is better? The Demo or the Lie single?
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: ZirconBlue on July 26, 2011, 06:27:47 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on July 26, 2011, 04:57:02 PM
Quote from: chrisbDTM on July 25, 2011, 11:44:25 AM
Eve, Raise the Knife
These.

BTW, bosky, although I absolutely love the studio recording of Eve, I've never been too enamored with any live version I've ever heard.  Stick to the demo.

I like the version on the '98 fan club cd.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: Ħ on July 26, 2011, 06:29:08 PM
Don't Look Past Me, Eve, and Raise the Knife are definitely candidates in my book.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: jmbeat on July 26, 2011, 08:22:02 PM
EVE was a released track as a b-side to a single so it shouldnt be in this poll.  I picked The Way It Used To Be, but Speak To Me is pretty much equal as far as I can see. Regarding EVE it is one of my favorite things DT have ever recorded.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: tri.ad on July 26, 2011, 09:37:43 PM
Raise The Knife is a top 10 song for me, To Live Forever comfortably makes the top 15. Both are exceptionally great songs.

Eve is close behind, as is The Way It Used To Be.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on July 27, 2011, 01:36:07 AM
Quote from: jmbeat on July 26, 2011, 08:22:02 PM
EVE was a released track as a b-side to a single so it shouldnt be in this poll.  I picked The Way It Used To Be, but Speak To Me is pretty much equal as far as I can see. Regarding EVE it is one of my favorite things DT have ever recorded.

To Live Forever was also released as a b-side on the "Lie" single, so using your logic it wouldn't count either. 

Um, I think you guys know my choice.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 27, 2011, 01:55:22 AM
To Live Forever and Raise The Knife. To be honest, most of the unreleased songs do nothing for me.
To Live Forever is very U2, but it's still a well written song, and the Live in Tokyo version is great. Raise The Knife is a good song, although the two other long songs that made it onto FII are far superior imo.
Title: Re: Best demo/unreleased song
Post by: nikatapi on July 27, 2011, 02:18:59 AM
Speak to me and Eve are my favorites.