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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 14, 2011, 11:16:00 AM
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I really don't see this getting replies. But who loves this song? :rollin
It's probably my least favorite DT has ever made.
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I don't love it, but I have nothing against it either. Gets too much hate.
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I don't love it, but I have nothing against it either. Gets too much hate.
Honestly I like every DT song, including this one...I wonder if there is one DT fan out there who picks this as their favorite DT song.
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I don't love it, but I have nothing against it either. Gets too much hate.
It's just meh. I like a lot of pop music, so it's not just genre distaste. It's just not that great of a pop rock song.
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lol @ that song
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I like the Chorus in the demo version better but both versions are pretty alright in my book.
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Totally unfairly underrated song of a totally unfairly underrated record. Love FII.
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Good verses with meh lyrics, nice guitar solo, but the chorus sucks all remaining decency out of it. You Or Me had a better flow regarding that matter.
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I quite appreciate You or Me (the demo), still neither are top 50 DT songs for me.
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Glad some people can appreciate it. It's really meh and sorta bad in my book.
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I like it, but I absolutely love You Or Me.
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I like it, but I absolutely love You Or Me.
Same here.
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I like it, but I absolutely love You Or Me.
x3
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It's really not that bad of a song, but it still sits in the bottom DT songs for me.
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I would put You Or Me in my top 50.
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I enjoy it. I like it musically and think it actually has really good backing vocals from the guys. Sure the lyrics are kind of faux-angsty, and it definately isn't anywhere near the best on FII, but I can listen to it no problem. In fact I do like it more than Just Let Me Breathe.
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I know many people don't like this song but I don't mind listening to it from time to time.. I mean it's a kind of a song you can make fun of, the lyrics are quite silly but in my opinion Burning my soul is much worse ;b
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It's a good song. I prefer You Or Me, but both are fine.
I can see how it would have caught more flack back when the album was fresh, since they had a much smaller catalog of songs back then, and fans had no way of knowing what the band's musical direction would be post-FII.
Having discovered the band several albums later, I never had a problem with it.
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I know many people don't like this song but I don't mind listening to it from time to time.. I mean it's a kind of a song you can make fun of, the lyrics are quite silly but in my opinion Burning my soul is much worse ;b
I like Burning My Soul much more than You Not Me :lol
Buuuuuurrrrrrrrrnnnniiiiinnnnnn MYYYYYY SOOOOOOWWWWW!! :metal
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When I first heard it in '97 I thought DT sold out to sound like Bon Jovi. But when I later discovered the You Or Me demo, i truly began to appreciate the song. The bridge with the piano interlude is one of my favorite moments in all of DT.
I need to see this song live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why does this thread have any posts in it? :neverusethis:
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Why does this thread have any posts in it? :neverusethis:
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That's what I was thinking :| Joke thread?? CoNfUsEd MuCh????? O.o
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There are only two good things about You Not Me:
1) the original "You or Me".
2) the "Me Not You" coalition.
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Why does this thread have any posts in it? :neverusethis:
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That's what I was thinking :| Joke thread?? CoNfUsEd MuCh????? O.o
Haha, I just wanted to see who thought it was good. I don't hate it, but I am nowhere near loving it.
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I like the demo version, but I won't even sugarcoat it, You Not Me has to be my least favorite DT song. The chorus hurts.
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There are only two good things about You Not Me:
1) the original "You or Me".
2) the "Me Not You" coalition.
I thought it was Us Not You.
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You know what...I don't mind You Not Me. It doesn't really bother me at all. The riff is decent and the ending is pretty cool. DT easily have several worse songs than this one, including Burning My Soul.
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There are only two good things about You Not Me:
1) the original "You or Me".
2) the "Me Not You" coalition.
I thought it was Us Not You.
Correct... brain fart.
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There are only two good things about You Not Me:
1) the original "You or Me".
2) the "Me Not You" coalition.
I thought it was Us Not You.
Correct... brain fart.
Looks like it's time for your nap, Grandpa. :p
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I've always quite liked this song. Never understood the hate.
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You Not Me and "Burning My Soul" are my least favorite Dream Theater songs. I like "You Or Me", but the chorus in both versions of "Burning My Soul" still bother me a lot.
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This is actually the only song that stuck with me when I bought that album. I didn't like it much, but it was catchy and I didn't understand what was going on with the rest of the album at the time (plus it seemed like the wait was forever and I was expecting Awake pt. 2). It took me nearly 10 years to come back and re-discover what an incredible piece of art FII is (I consider it my 2nd favorite DT album now) - but it was YNM that even made me want to revisit it in the first place.
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This is actually the only song that stuck with me when I bought that album. I didn't like it much, but it was catchy and I didn't understand what was going on with the rest of the album at the time (plus it seemed like the wait was forever and I was expecting Awake pt. 2). It took me nearly 10 years to come back and re-discover what an incredible piece of art FII is (I consider it my 2nd favorite DT album now) - but it was YNM that even made me want to revisit it in the first place.
It's my 5th favorite and my favorite song from it is New Millennium
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Gets too much hate.
Yep, I agree. I actually like this song. :metal
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I don't love it, but I have nothing against it either. Gets too much hate.
This
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I like it. It's not there worst song. It's not even the worst song on FII.
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There are only two good things about You Not Me:
1) the original "You or Me".
2) the "Me Not You" coalition.
I thought it was Us Not You.
Correct... brain fart.
Looks like it's time for your nap, Grandpa. :p
gotta go take my teeth out first.
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I need to see this song live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the liner notes for the FII Demos, MP suggested that he'd like to add "You Or Me" to the setlist rotation, but that never happened, and I don't know how likely that is now that he's gone.
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I love this song... being in 10th grade, getting dumped... it's just perfect. The sharpness in the way he yells "IT'S ALL ABOUT YOU! NAAAHT MEEEEEE!" is so vitriolic.
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I love this song... being in 10th grade, getting dumped... it's just perfect. The sharpness in the way he yells "IT'S ALL ABOUT YOU! NAAAHT MEEEEEE!" is so vitriolic.
:metal
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well, it's better than IWBY anyway
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well, it's better than IWBY anyway
No
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well, it's better than IWBY anyway
Nope. I think what makes me dislike it even more is that it isn't You Or Me, an awesome song that would've worked so much better on the album
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You Or Me is boring.
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Love it! The lyrics remind me of my ex-wife....... :lol
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Love it! The lyrics remind me of my ex-wife....... :lol
:lol
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Love it! The lyrics remind me of my ex-wife....... :lol
Yeah, if you've ever been in a one-sided relationship, the lyrics of YNM ring true. Poppy or not.
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Groovy riff at the end, nice little instrumental break... it's nothing mindblowing, but a perfectly serviceable little rock song. I like it.
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It has its moments, but I don't love it. It's just ok.
*moderately appreciates*
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Great solo. Pretty decent song. I don't get the problem tbh. You Or Me is obv better, but there's not a huge difference between the two.
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I think the big reason I like You Or Me Better is the chorus. Both are pretty close, I just prefer the chorus in You or Me Better. I did however, have an Idea to make a mix of the two where the first time is the YOM chorus and the second time through is YNM chorus. If I get the time soon I'll get on it. Call it You Nor Me or something.
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It's not especially good by any stretch, but it doesn't sound bad to me. I'd rank it above something like Prophets of War.
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I don't know why it gets so much hate; as someone else said, it's a nice, serviceable rock song. I actually prefer it to "You or Me."
I like the chorus in the former moreso than the latter.
And the solo is petty nice.
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lol @ that song
lol @ you.
Great song to rock out too in the car. Also, Raise The Knife.
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Great song to rock out too in the car. Also, Raise The Knife.
Amen!
Actually, I can't even decide whether I prefer You Not Me or You OR Me. I like them both completely equally for different reasons.
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Nice to see this thread get brought up again. At the time I made this, I didn't really care for the song. Now I really like it!
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Nice to see this thread get brought up again. At the time I made this, I didn't really care for the song. Now I really like it!
That's because you're a wise man..... :tup
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Suffers unfairly with the stigma of Desmond Child being involved. There are songs on FII I enjoy less- BMS, JLMB, NM. For the record I like Desmond Child and own lots of albums with his songs on, including his solo record Discipline.
I prefer the album version to the demo, including the chorus, but I don't see a huge difference between the two. FII version tighter with the shortened chorus.
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Okay, I understand using Acronyms for the albums, but I think people need to just summon up that lack of laziness and actually type out the titles if the songs. BMS, NM mean nothing to me. And I'm still trying to figure out what IWBY stands for.
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Okay, I understand using Acronyms for the albums, but I think people need to just summon up that lack of laziness and actually type out the titles if the songs. BMS, NM mean nothing to me. And I'm still trying to figure out what IWBY stands for.
I Walk Beside You.
Oh and cry about it why dontcha. Or should I say CAIWD.
:heart
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Okay, I understand using Acronyms for the albums, but I think people need to just summon up that lack of laziness and actually type out the titles if the songs. BMS, NM mean nothing to me. And I'm still trying to figure out what IWBY stands for.
I Walk Beside You.
Oh and cry about it why dontcha. Or should I say CAIWD.
:heart
:hat
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I Walk Beside You.
Oh and cry about it why dontcha. Or should I say CAIWD.
:heart
Ohhh... Yeah, it's definitely better than I Walk Beside You.
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Digging this up to say that Rock Candy Magazine made a FB post the other day asking “What’s Your Favorite Dream Theater Song?” Much to my surprise, at least two people said ‘You Not Me’. I thought it was pretty cool how diverse this fan base is. Anyway, carry on.
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Digging this up to say that Rock Candy Magazine made a FB post the other day asking “What’s Your Favorite Dream Theater Song?” Much to my surprise, at least two people said ‘You Not Me’. I thought it was pretty cool how diverse this fan base is. Anyway, carry on.
That's really weird.
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Digging this up to say that Rock Candy Magazine made a FB post the other day asking “What’s Your Favorite Dream Theater Song?” Much to my surprise, at least two people said ‘You Not Me’. I thought it was pretty cool how diverse this fan base is. Anyway, carry on.
Could have been sarcasm I suppose!
I have had different feelings about YNM at different times. I think initially when I heard FII I thought it was closest to sounding like DT of the stuff on the album. I don’t hate it, but it’s not especially exciting. You Or Me does seem to have a better vibe about it, and I think the chorus hits a little harder since it flows more naturally from the pre-chorus and stays in the same groove as the rest of the song.
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I think initially when I heard FII I thought it was closest to sounding like DT of the stuff on the album.
Really?
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Since this is an appreciation thread...
I think like other lowest tier DT songs (A Rite of Passage, Constant Motion, Paralyzed), You Not Me does have a redeeming qualities. The main riff is good and that outro is pretty nifty. The chorus is just not something I can appreciate at all.
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I think initially when I heard FII I thought it was closest to sounding like DT of the stuff on the album.
Really?
Yeah, mostly because JLB had some higher notes on the chorus and because it was more of a traditional metal sounding tune. Compared to things like New Millenium, Peruvian Skies, Lines in the Sand, etc. which were really different stylistically from DT's earlier sound.
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I think initially when I heard FII I thought it was closest to sounding like DT of the stuff on the album.
Really?
Yeah, mostly because JLB had some higher notes on the chorus and because it was more of a traditional metal sounding tune. Compared to things like New Millenium, Peruvian Skies, Lines in the Sand, etc. which were really different stylistically from DT's earlier sound.
I mean, hard disagree from me, but different opinions make the world go round. :tup
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Oh, the other thing is it has those string synths between verses and on the outro which sound more like some of the synth sounds from Awake (think the chorus of Caught In A Web).
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Personally, I’ve always liked the song. I never really saw why it was so hated. Hell, it’s not even the worse song on FII to my ears. As for my comment about the Rock Candy post, that’s a classic rock oriented magazine. So I could see how a lot of people might like that song more than the proggier stuff. Pull Me Under and Another Day for a lot of votes as well.
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Listening to You Not Me and You Or Me back to back right now, and they definitely needed to up the tempo from You Or Me. I might still slightly prefer the YOM chorus, but I do think overall they improved the track with the final version. The instrumental/solo section is pretty cool. It's definitely not the worst song on FII (that would be Burning My Soul).
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Never understood the hate. When FII came out YNM was my favourite along with Hollow Years. I always thought the hate came from purists who couldn´t accept Desmond Childs involvement and Portnoy slamming the song didn´t help. I would very much like to hear more collaboration between Child/Petrucci since both are melody masters and from what I understand Childs involvement in YNM was mainly lyrics.
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lowest tier DT songs (A Rite of Passage, Constant Motion, Paralyzed)
Dafuq?! I love Constant Motion. It's my favorite song on SC. I'm pretty sure I'd have it in my top 30 or 40.
As for YNM, I don't love it, but I agree with the OP that it gets way too much hate. For starters, it's significantly better than You OR Me, and I'd rank it no worse than song #6 on FII. It's one of those songs where, if MP hadn't spoken ill of FII, it wouldn't get NEARLY as much hate.
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Listening to You Not Me and You Or Me back to back right now, and they definitely needed to up the tempo from You Or Me. I might still slightly prefer the YOM chorus, but I do think overall they improved the track with the final version. The instrumental/solo section is pretty cool. It's definitely not the worst song on FII (that would be Burning My Soul).
This totally. I never thought about the tempo but that doesn’t make a big difference. I never understood how a lot of people thought You or Me was great, but not YNM.
And yes, Burning My Soul is worse. And I’ve never been a fan of Anna Lee either. It’s too slow and too long and drawn out.
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Never understood the hate. When FII came out YNM was my favourite along with Hollow Years. I always thought the hate came from purists who couldn´t accept Desmond Childs involvement and Portnoy slamming the song didn´t help. I would very much like to hear more collaboration between Child/Petrucci since both are melody masters and from what I understand Childs involvement in YNM was mainly lyrics.
Good song. Maybe since Mike had mellowed he can understand there are at least some fans that would like to hear the song just once, even if it's on a live album.
Pretty sure it's never been played live.
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Never understood the hate. When FII came out YNM was my favourite along with Hollow Years. I always thought the hate came from purists who couldn´t accept Desmond Childs involvement and Portnoy slamming the song didn´t help. I would very much like to hear more collaboration between Child/Petrucci since both are melody masters and from what I understand Childs involvement in YNM was mainly lyrics.
Good song. Maybe since Mike had mellowed he can understand there are at least some fans that would like to hear the song just once, even if it's on a live album.
Pretty sure it's never been played live.
Four times:
12/20/97 - Orlando, FL
1/2/98 - Hartford, CT
1/4/98 - Plainview, NY
1/16/98 - Tokyo
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That's plenty lol
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That's plenty lol
Haters gonna hate.
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Never understood the hate. When FII came out YNM was my favourite along with Hollow Years. I always thought the hate came from purists who couldn´t accept Desmond Childs involvement and Portnoy slamming the song didn´t help. I would very much like to hear more collaboration between Child/Petrucci since both are melody masters and from what I understand Childs involvement in YNM was mainly lyrics.
Good song. Maybe since Mike had mellowed he can understand there are at least some fans that would like to hear the song just once, even if it's on a live album.
Pretty sure it's never been played live.
Four times:
12/20/97 - Orlando, FL
1/2/98 - Hartford, CT
1/4/98 - Plainview, NY
1/16/98 - Tokyo
Wow.
And it was all over the course of 1 month.
Anyway, let's bring it back and get a proper recording. They can bring out Derek Sherinian for his interpretive tap dance.
Edit:Btw, I just found the Hartford performance on YouTube. Can't believe I didn't know they played that. Pretty rad performance (if you're into that sort of song)
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Listening to You Not Me and You Or Me back to back right now, and they definitely needed to up the tempo from You Or Me. I might still slightly prefer the YOM chorus, but I do think overall they improved the track with the final version. The instrumental/solo section is pretty cool. It's definitely not the worst song on FII (that would be Burning My Soul).
Burning My Soul is atrocious!
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Listening to You Not Me and You Or Me back to back right now, and they definitely needed to up the tempo from You Or Me. I might still slightly prefer the YOM chorus, but I do think overall they improved the track with the final version. The instrumental/solo section is pretty cool. It's definitely not the worst song on FII (that would be Burning My Soul).
Burning My Soul is atrocious!
Guys! You're misspelling Just Let Me Breathe.
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Listening to You Not Me and You Or Me back to back right now, and they definitely needed to up the tempo from You Or Me. I might still slightly prefer the YOM chorus, but I do think overall they improved the track with the final version. The instrumental/solo section is pretty cool. It's definitely not the worst song on FII (that would be Burning My Soul).
Burning My Soul is atrocious!
Guys! You're misspelling Just Let Me Breathe.
It's also horrible. :lol
I like FII, but when its songs are bad they are REALLY BAD.
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Listening to You Not Me and You Or Me back to back right now, and they definitely needed to up the tempo from You Or Me. I might still slightly prefer the YOM chorus, but I do think overall they improved the track with the final version. The instrumental/solo section is pretty cool. It's definitely not the worst song on FII (that would be Burning My Soul).
Burning My Soul is atrocious!
Guys! You're misspelling Just Let Me Breathe.
Those are the bottom two for sure.
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I can understand rebuffing You Not Me, as it didn't digest well for me in 1997. However, the demo version You Or Me totally knocked my socks off. That new wave instrumental section that was cut from the album version is still one of my favorite DT moments. A truly underrated track.
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Never understood the hate. When FII came out YNM was my favourite along with Hollow Years. I always thought the hate came from purists who couldn´t accept Desmond Childs involvement and Portnoy slamming the song didn´t help. I would very much like to hear more collaboration between Child/Petrucci since both are melody masters and from what I understand Childs involvement in YNM was mainly lyrics.
Good song. Maybe since Mike had mellowed he can understand there are at least some fans that would like to hear the song just once, even if it's on a live album.
Pretty sure it's never been played live.
Four times:
12/20/97 - Orlando, FL
1/2/98 - Hartford, CT
1/4/98 - Plainview, NY
1/16/98 - Tokyo
Actually 3 - that Orlando date never happened even though it's listed on setlist.fm
As for it possibly being played live now, I can see the demo version actually making the setlist. MP spoke about putting in the setlist for a future tour back in 2009 or 2010, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's still something in the back of his mind. But I highly doubt we'll ever see YNM in the setlist again.
Regarding the hate for the song, it's definitely at the bottom of my list, although I don't think it's the very last song. For me, while the chorus in YNM is stronger than the original YoM, I don't like the stop/start nature of YNM. YoM at least flows much better. Plus it has the interlude that was removed for YNM. So those are reasons why I don't like it.
One thing that is cool about it - and I think this is a detail that's fallen through the cracks since I first discovered it eons ago - is that the keyboard outro melody to YNM/YoM is the same as the main melody in RtK starting at about 7:50 in the Score version of RtK. MP told me this was a nugget they planned but was never discovered because RtK wasn't included on FII.
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I can understand rebuffing You Not Me, as it didn't digest well for me in 1997. However, the demo version You Or Me totally knocked my socks off. That new wave instrumental section that was cut from the album version is still one of my favorite DT moments. A truly underrated track.
Agreed. I like YNM, but I love YOM.
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Defending the indefensible, as I don't really like the song, You Not Me does have a tiny nice and quite unique guitar solo, a touch of Steve Morse inside JP's repertoire.
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Count me in as not disliking You Not Me. It's a neat little song. I also agree that the synths resemble some of the keyboard work on Awake. I overall prefer YNM to YOM, but I wish they included the melodic instrumental interlude from the demo. I think it's real nice, not sure why they cut it. It's not like it was particularly long.
Burning My Soul is my least favorite song on FII, by some margin. So, so glad they cut Hell's Kitchen (which I LOVE) out of it. And I actually kinda like Just Let Me Breathe...yes, it's similar in tone to BMS, but I find it significantly more dynamic and exciting from an instrumental standpoint.
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Never understood the hate. When FII came out YNM was my favourite along with Hollow Years. I always thought the hate came from purists who couldn´t accept Desmond Childs involvement and Portnoy slamming the song didn´t help. I would very much like to hear more collaboration between Child/Petrucci since both are melody masters and from what I understand Childs involvement in YNM was mainly lyrics.
Good song. Maybe since Mike had mellowed he can understand there are at least some fans that would like to hear the song just once, even if it's on a live album.
Pretty sure it's never been played live.
Four times:
12/20/97 - Orlando, FL
1/2/98 - Hartford, CT
1/4/98 - Plainview, NY
1/16/98 - Tokyo
Actually 3 - that Orlando date never happened even though it's listed on setlist.fm
The MP.com Tourography section says it happened....
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Never understood the hate. When FII came out YNM was my favourite along with Hollow Years. I always thought the hate came from purists who couldn´t accept Desmond Childs involvement and Portnoy slamming the song didn´t help. I would very much like to hear more collaboration between Child/Petrucci since both are melody masters and from what I understand Childs involvement in YNM was mainly lyrics.
Good song. Maybe since Mike had mellowed he can understand there are at least some fans that would like to hear the song just once, even if it's on a live album.
Pretty sure it's never been played live.
Four times:
12/20/97 - Orlando, FL
1/2/98 - Hartford, CT
1/4/98 - Plainview, NY
1/16/98 - Tokyo
Actually 3 - that Orlando date never happened even though it's listed on setlist.fm
The MP.com Tourography section says it happened....
Burn :lol
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Honestly, absent photographic evidence, I'll take Setlist Scotty's word on concerts and setlists over just about any other source.
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Never understood the hate. When FII came out YNM was my favourite along with Hollow Years. I always thought the hate came from purists who couldn´t accept Desmond Childs involvement and Portnoy slamming the song didn´t help. I would very much like to hear more collaboration between Child/Petrucci since both are melody masters and from what I understand Childs involvement in YNM was mainly lyrics.
Good song. Maybe since Mike had mellowed he can understand there are at least some fans that would like to hear the song just once, even if it's on a live album.
Pretty sure it's never been played live.
Four times:
12/20/97 - Orlando, FL
1/2/98 - Hartford, CT
1/4/98 - Plainview, NY
1/16/98 - Tokyo
Actually 3 - that Orlando date never happened even though it's listed on setlist.fm
The MP.com Tourography section says it happened....
Burn :lol
Nope. Thank you for playing. Please try again.
The tourography is wrong. That date was on MP's tourography but there was never a setlist for the longest time because it didn't exist. Really it should've been deleted, but it wasn't. So someone added a setlist long after I stopped maintaining the tourography, likely in 2015, judging by when the setlist was added at setlist.fm.
I know the date didn't happen because I've got scans from collector Franz's schedule roadbook (the custom book put together and given to band and crew so they would have all the details of the each day and show) and the 19th is the last show day. The 20th is marked as a travel day to go home.
Further evidence can be seen here, where the date was yet to be confirmed:
https://web.archive.org/web/20010701021213fw_/http://www.dreamtheater.net/archtour.htm#confirmed5
So sorry Trav86 and pg1067 - I do know what I'm talking about. ;)
Honestly, absent photographic evidence, I'll take Setlist Scotty's word on concerts and setlists over just about any other source.
Thanks my friend! :coolio
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Likely story…
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...and just for the record, there was no show on November 24, 1997 at Jaxx in Springfield, VA either even though the tourography will tell you otherwise, because the same schedule roadbook shows it's a day off. As it turns out, they *did* do a show at Jaxx on January 3, 1998 which shows not only in the tourography but also the schedule roadbook so it's clear the Nov 24 show was moved to Jan 3.
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Franz. Now there's a name I've not heard in a long time.
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I was in a bad spot when I got this album. I really, really wanted to like it, more than any other album up till then. They killed it with I&W, then brutalized the corpse with Awake. Did they have a three-peat in them? What happened to Kevin Moore? Anyway, my first impression after listening to FII was along the lines of "What the hell happened?" I didn't like much of it; it felt like a different band. I enjoyed YNM more than many other songs, something about riff and chorus I found enjoyable, and I still put it somewhere in the middle of the album's song rankings. I listened to You Or Me once, and had no desire to listen to it again.
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I was in a bad spot when I got this album. I really, really wanted to like it, more than any other album up till then. They killed it with I&W, then brutalized the corpse with Awake. Did they have a three-peat in them? What happened to Kevin Moore? Anyway, my first impression after listening to FII was along the lines of "What the hell happened?" I didn't like much of it; it felt like a different band. I enjoyed YNM more than many other songs, something about riff and chorus I found enjoyable, and I still put it somewhere in the middle of the album's song rankings. I listened to You Or Me once, and had no desire to listen to it again.
I really don't remember my first impression of YNM.
I listened to FII for the first time after SFAM. Simply because I couldn't find FII anywhere and no one I knew had this album (DT was somewhat obscure in South America in the 90s) and the internet was rudimentary, of course.
The curious fact: I knew the album's reputation before listening to it: "DT's bad album" :lol
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I really don't remember my first impression of YNM.
I do, and this being an appreciation thread, I'll just leave it at that.
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I really don't remember my first impression of YNM.
I do, and this being an appreciation thread, I'll just leave it at that.
:lol
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Anyway, my first impression after listening to FII was along the lines of "What the hell happened?" I didn't like much of it; it felt like a different band.
That was my first impression as well.
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There's a small but existing chance we could see You Not Me (or, more likely, You Or Me) in a future show with MP. Here's what he wrote about You Or Me in the FII Demos liner notes from 2007:
"This song was taken away from us over 10 years ago and now I think it's about time we took it back! Look for it to return in future live setlists..."
So, had MP not left the band in 2010, there's definitely a shot we could have seen You Or Me pop up in a few live shows. We need someone to ask about this song in an interview with him.
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Hadn't listened to YOM in years, so I decided to listen to both versions and compare them earlier today. There's nothing from the original I miss and actually prefer the final version (YNM). That instrumental interlude is cool and would've totally worked well in the final version but I'm sure it's not the first time some songs get trimmed before being released and the main difference here is that we know what they did. IIRC, The Enemy Inside also had a longer instrumental section before they decided to go with something else. Parts of Erotomania were inside PMU at first, sections of the original ACOS never made it to the final version, etc.
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There's a small but existing chance we could see You Not Me (or, more likely, You Or Me) in a future show with MP. Here's what he wrote about You Or Me in the FII Demos liner notes from 2007:
"This song was taken away from us over 10 years ago and now I think it's about time we took it back! Look for it to return in future live setlists..."
So, had MP not left the band in 2010, there's definitely a shot we could have seen You Or Me pop up in a few live shows. We need someone to ask about this song in an interview with him.
I reminded MP of that liner note in a 2009 meet and greet and he just looked at me with a burned-out blank stare, lol.
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There's a small but existing chance we could see You Not Me (or, more likely, You Or Me) in a future show with MP. Here's what he wrote about You Or Me in the FII Demos liner notes from 2007:
"This song was taken away from us over 10 years ago and now I think it's about time we took it back! Look for it to return in future live setlists..."
So, had MP not left the band in 2010, there's definitely a shot we could have seen You Or Me pop up in a few live shows. We need someone to ask about this song in an interview with him.
I reminded MP of that liner note in a 2009 meet and greet and he just looked at me with a burned-out blank stare, lol.
I think by 2009 he gave everything DT related a burned out blank stare.
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Rejoining the band and putting a song in the set list like You Or Me that 13 people in the crowd would have heard before and only 4 of those actually like the song would be the most MP thing ever.
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Far from being the worst song on FII.
(JLMB, HY, AL)
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Rejoining the band and putting a song in the set list like You Or Me that 13 people in the crowd would have heard before and only 4 of those actually like the song would be the most MP thing ever.
:lol
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There's a small but existing chance we could see You Not Me (or, more likely, You Or Me) in a future show with MP. Here's what he wrote about You Or Me in the FII Demos liner notes from 2007:
"This song was taken away from us over 10 years ago and now I think it's about time we took it back! Look for it to return in future live setlists..."
So, had MP not left the band in 2010, there's definitely a shot we could have seen You Or Me pop up in a few live shows. We need someone to ask about this song in an interview with him.
That was then. This is now.
I would be SHOCKED if this song showed up in any future setlist.
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This was one of my early favorites from FII. It sounded like a song to me.
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There's a small but existing chance we could see You Not Me (or, more likely, You Or Me) in a future show with MP. Here's what he wrote about You Or Me in the FII Demos liner notes from 2007:
"This song was taken away from us over 10 years ago and now I think it's about time we took it back! Look for it to return in future live setlists..."
So, had MP not left the band in 2010, there's definitely a shot we could have seen You Or Me pop up in a few live shows. We need someone to ask about this song in an interview with him.
That was then. This is now.
I would be SHOCKED if this song showed up in any future setlist.
I think a lot of it depends on how much the songs get mixed up from show to show. If it's like the golden years (2002-2006), then I'd say it still has a decent chance of happening although only being played at a handful of shows in the lead up to a live release just as was the case with IF in 2006 and on Score. OTOH, if the setlists remain mostly static or just a basic A/B swapping like what was done on the Dramatic tour, then yeah, the chances of it appearing are almost zero.
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There's a small but existing chance we could see You Not Me (or, more likely, You Or Me) in a future show with MP. Here's what he wrote about You Or Me in the FII Demos liner notes from 2007:
"This song was taken away from us over 10 years ago and now I think it's about time we took it back! Look for it to return in future live setlists..."
So, had MP not left the band in 2010, there's definitely a shot we could have seen You Or Me pop up in a few live shows. We need someone to ask about this song in an interview with him.
That was then. This is now.
I would be SHOCKED if this song showed up in any future setlist.
I think a lot of it depends on how much the songs get mixed up from show to show. If it's like the golden years (2002-2006), then I'd say it still has a decent chance of happening although only being played at a handful of shows in the lead up to a live release just as was the case with IF in 2006 and on Score. OTOH, if the setlists remain mostly static or just a basic A/B swapping like what was done on the Dramatic tour, then yeah, the chances of it appearing are almost zero.
IMO, it doesn't matter what method they use to create setlists. This is one that I just see no reason to bring back.
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One reason to bring back YOM might be because James could probably still sing it. It’s all mostly lower register stuff.
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Never understood the hate. When FII came out YNM was my favourite along with Hollow Years. I always thought the hate came from purists who couldn´t accept Desmond Childs involvement and Portnoy slamming the song didn´t help. I would very much like to hear more collaboration between Child/Petrucci since both are melody masters and from what I understand Childs involvement in YNM was mainly lyrics.
Good song. Maybe since Mike had mellowed he can understand there are at least some fans that would like to hear the song just once, even if it's on a live album.
Pretty sure it's never been played live.
Four times:
12/20/97 - Orlando, FL
1/2/98 - Hartford, CT
1/4/98 - Plainview, NY
1/16/98 - Tokyo
Actually 3 - that Orlando date never happened even though it's listed on setlist.fm
The MP.com Tourography section says it happened....
Burn :lol
Just for the record, it was not intended as a burn. I was merely pointing out that I didn't (exclusively) use setlist.fm to compile the list. For pre-2011 DT concert stuff, I assume MP.com is a better source (although I believe that setlist.fm was long ago edited to conform to MP.com). If it's not reliable in this instance, so be it.
There's a small but existing chance we could see You Not Me (or, more likely, You Or Me) in a future show with MP. Here's what he wrote about You Or Me in the FII Demos liner notes from 2007:
"This song was taken away from us over 10 years ago and now I think it's about time we took it back! Look for it to return in future live setlists..."
So, had MP not left the band in 2010, there's definitely a shot we could have seen You Or Me pop up in a few live shows. We need someone to ask about this song in an interview with him.
I think part of the problem with that is that JP has been pretty clear that he doesn't share MP's assessment of the edits to that song. I hope that, if they play it, they use the far superior album version.
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This song has been talked about more in the last 4 days than it was in the preceding 20 years.
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The guys should record a split version of YNM (as in the pandemic) and post it on YouTube to promote this reunion.
Perhaps a good part of the fans would imagine it to be a new song. :rollin
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Just for the record, it was not intended as a burn. I was merely pointing out that I didn't (exclusively) use setlist.fm to compile the list. For pre-2011 DT concert stuff, I assume MP.com is a better source (although I believe that setlist.fm was long ago edited to conform to MP.com). If it's not reliable in this instance, so be it.
No worries - no offense taken. Believe it or not, I actually had checked MP.com, but the tourography page must have gotten hung up when loading since I didn't see the DT logo which I thought was strange, but given the news of MP's return, thought maybe some maintenance was being done on the site or something and was not on the website at the moment, so I couldn't check to see if that Dec. 20 date was there or not, which is why I only mentioned setlist.fm. I shoulda known better! :eek
This song has been talked about more in the last 4 days than it was in the preceding 20 years.
All the more reason for it to return to the setlist now! :lol
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I have appreciated You Not Me since the day it was released in spite of Desmond Child's involvement.
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I have appreciated You Not Me since the day it was released in spite of Desmond Child's involvement.
same, although like many, I do prefer You Or Me.
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I was always bothered by the key change at the chorus.
I had just started dating my wife when FII was released so the content of the song never resonated.
I was puzzled that the band would write with Desmond Child but then remembered reading sources online in '96 about the label making it difficult for them to move forward with recording. From what I recall, the feeling was that DT were going to disband. It's funny how a label tries to make an album more commercial sounding and then does little to promote the content with radio.
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I had just started dating my wife when FII was released so the content of the song never resonated.
:lol A special time, apparently.
That probably didn't come out the way you intended.
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The Boston-area radio did briefly play You Not Me on the air, but that version was slightly different, perhaps in the mix and part of the arrangement. Anyone else familiar with the radio version? I never did track done a CD of it, so I only have a latent memory of something between the verses sounding different.
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The Boston-area radio did briefly play You Not Me on the air, but that version was slightly different, perhaps in the mix and part of the arrangement. Anyone else familiar with the radio version? I never did track done a CD of it, so I only have a latent memory of something between the verses sounding different.
I used to have a promo CD of it with the edit, but nothing stands out about it being significantly different. It's just certain parts were shortened or cut out completely. According to the info on Franz's conllector's page, the edit is only about 40 seconds shorter than the album version, so it's not like that much could be altered.
http://ymfr.free.fr/index.php?title=You_Not_Me_%28Promo_CD%29
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This looks like it would be it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6y_l-JPp3A
Edit: having now listened, wow that's a brutal edit (in the instrumental section).
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IMO, it doesn't matter what method they use to create setlists. This is one that I just see no reason to bring back.
I've said before I think DT should lean more into their less popular songs because they're good and some of them have aged well. And even for the stuff that maybe only the die-hard fans would like, I think keeping the base happy is important.
I just don't know who playing YOM is for. It's not that good and even among the die-hards I don't know how many people want to hear it.
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IMO, it doesn't matter what method they use to create setlists. This is one that I just see no reason to bring back.
I've said before I think DT should lean more into their less popular songs because they're good and some of them have aged well. And even for the stuff that maybe only the die-hard fans would like, I think keeping the base happy is important.
I just don't know who playing YOM is for. It's not that good and even among the die-hards I don't know how many people want to hear it.
It's for people like me, that love the song, and also love to see the rarities played. Also, there was also a time when DT would play songs that had had no official release, like To Live Forever, or A Change of Seasons. A lot of people back then seemed to think it was cool to hear a song they didn't already know. I imagine there are still such people in the audiences.
PS A lot of people don't seem to understand the point of an "Appreciation" thread.
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This looks like it would be it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6y_l-JPp3A
Edit: having now listened, wow that's a brutal edit (in the instrumental section).
Ah, thanks, been a long time since I heard this version. That puzzling edit brought me right back to my first car driving home from my evening job at a movie theater, listening to it on the radio. Thanks for digging it up!