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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Vajra on June 10, 2011, 04:15:34 PM
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The most common type of vocals you hear from the bands of the genre...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztzMII6T-U4&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZDc0js-m2Q
While the vocals are fantastic from a technical viewpoint (and I personally like them), they don't have that appealing sound like that of Bruce Dickenson, Russel Allen, Mikael Åkerfeldt, James Labrie, Hansi Kürsch, Matt Barlow, Dio, Tim Ripper Owens, etc. These bands have amazing riffs and melodies, but unless you're a true fan of the genre, it's hard for the average listener to get into the music because the vocals, while great, aren't quite "there" I mean, let's face it, if you took every Power/Prog Metal band and had Dickenson or Russel singing the songs, people would be buying these songs like no tomorrow. There's a reason such a great deal of people don't listen to Dream Theater's "When Dream and Day Unite" album, and it's because the singer, Dominici, had that typical Prog/Power type sound.
Thankfully, I'm a fan of these common vocals, so it won't be holding me back from enjoying the music, it's just a bummer that so many other people will be turned off from these bands because the vocals don't hit them hard.
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In a word? I think so. Also when and why did you abandon "diemtay?"
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In a word? I think so. Also when and why did you abandon "diemtay?"
Someone I know, knows that I post under that name, so I changed it to avoid stalking lol.
Also, I'm suprised someone remembers me within just a week or two of being here haha. Is that a good thing, or bad?
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In a word? I think so. Also when and why did you abandon "diemtay?"
Someone I know, knows that I post under that name, so I changed it to avoid stalking lol.
Also, I'm suprised someone remembers me within just a week or two of being here haha. Is that a good thing, or bad?
Your avatar is pretty distinct and very clearly visible. Good thing I s'pose regarding the fact that I remembered you. Also I just started posting here again after a full year away so anyone who could be classified as a "n00b" but posts on a daily basis is definitely gonna stand out to me.
That said, accept my belated "welcome", grab yourself a Schlitz and that April '93 copy of Swank I left over on the coffee table for ya and make yourself at home.
Back on topic, I can say without any hesitation that the vocals thing is HUGE. Back in '99 I got into DT and a shit load of power/prog/tech metal bands and I always tried to get my friends into them. They'd usually be no worse than indifferent and sometimes even impressed by the musicianship UNTIL the vocals entered. I can't blame 'em either.
To this day there isn't one power metal band I listen to where I come close to enjoying the vocals. That whole soaring, wailing, five-octave thing is very impressive to me but definitely not my style. I think a part of the problem is that metal is generally a masculine thing and IMO an overwhelming majority of the singers in these genres sound overtly effeminate.
I'm all for virtuosic range in singing but I find so many of these guys have fantastic voices but the strength underneath it just isn't there and unless you have a "man's man" voice like Russell Allen from Symphony X for instance it ends up not sounding all that different from if a woman was singing it in the first place.
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To me, those bands just sound like the typical, generic, watered-down prog metal that blends in with everything else within the genre.
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Is Prog/Power Metal being held back from being popular, due to the vocals?
Sure, along with many other reasons, certainly.
To me, those bands just sound like the typical, generic, watered-down prog metal that blends in with everything else within the genre.
Oh you, giant indie.
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In a word? I think so. Also when and why did you abandon "diemtay?"
BF!! When did you return to DTF?!!?!?!
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In a word? I think so. Also when and why did you abandon "diemtay?"
BF!! When did you return to DTF?!!?!?!
while you were banned.
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oh my god what have i done
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oh my god what have i done
To be banned or to beset the forum with something as catastrophic as my return?
:D
Also thanks for the warm welcome back as I always love other men calling me "BF."
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I love Dominici's voice... and Labrie's voice isn't exactly much more appealing to the average listener. Although I love it many people complain about it being 'whiny'. Maybe we should have Lil' Wayne singing for DT
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Give me any of those singers you 'tubed over Akerfeldt. (yes even Christopher Lee). I can't abide the growling. Sorry. I know there's more to his voice than that but I can't get past it.
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It's metal. There's only so popular it's going to get, and having 10 minutes long songs, ridiculous synths and absurd vocals isn't helping anything.
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Oh lord, my hatred towards Rhapsody of Fire can't be measured.
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It's metal. There's only so popular it's going to get, and having 10 minutes long songs, ridiculous synths and absurd vocals isn't helping anything.
This.
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Possibly, but then Muse and Coheed are massive and big respectively, both of whom have high-pitched singers.
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Possibly, but then Muse and Coheed are massive and big respectively, both of whom have high-pitched singers.
This. The Mars Volta too, and Rush. Before I saw a picture of Rush I was convinced they had a female singer.
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I don't think many people find high pitches particularly off-putting. The two examples you gave are employing a very dramatic, operatic style of singing which simply does not go over well will most people. I can include myself in this group, because I find both of these examples pretty unbearable. So it's not an issue with the high pitches, if you ask me.
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Most of this type of music just comes off as 'cheesy' to me, and judging by some other posts, I'm not alone.
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The second video there.. rhapsody. So much cheese it's unbelievable.
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Hah, I thought that baritone in the second video bore a striking resemblance to the actor for Saruman in Lord of the Rings. Christopher Lee, you crazy bastard :lol
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The second video there.. rhapsody. So much cheese it's unbelievable.
But they do have a fantastic guitarist. I'd love to hear him do an instrumental cd.
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The second video there.. rhapsody. So much cheese it's unbelievable.
But they do have a fantastic guitarist. I'd love to hear him do an instrumental cd.
Luca Turilli? That dude sweeps like an army of brand new brooms. Some may not like sweep-dominant shredders but his solos always seem to perfectly accentuate their songs.
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The second video there.. rhapsody. So much cheese it's unbelievable.
Oh my yes.
I likely won't be able to poop for at least a week.
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To me, those bands just sound like the typical, generic, watered-down prog metal that blends in with everything else within the genre.
I think this is the problem more than the vocals. The vocalists in the OP are all unique and they sing for bands that are unique.
Most genres have leading bands, but then they quickly get backfilled by "stereotypical" bands. There's no problem with Power Metal or its vocalists, per se, but with so many bands playing a similer style, it does get tough to try and tell them apart.
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Prog/Power metal is being held back from being popular due to its inaccessibility. Really good progressive metal (DREAM THEATER) is often complex and takes a few listens to get into. Songs are also usually longer and not radio-friendly (once again see DREAM THEATER). I would say that Death Metal is being held back from being popular, due to the vocals... but there is not really anything to do about that because without the death metal vocals, it is... not even death metal anymore.
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The biggest prog metal band I can think of is Tool. And they have absurd vocals, long songs, just not the absurd synths.
Or are they not prog metal?
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The biggest prog metal band I can think of is Tool. And they have absurd vocals, long songs, just not the absurd synths.
Or are they not prog metal?
I wouldn't say that they are Prog Metal.
They are Prog, and they are Metal (though I consider them more Rock then Metal), but yeah, Tool are probably one of the bigger bands from the Progressive-scene.
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Well, power metal basically sucks for the most part, so there is that (there are exceptions, but rarely).
Progressive is on a good wave though. But it can be very wide-ranging. Look at Opeth, Tool, DT, and TMZ. All very different but containing the element of progressiveness. And people eat those bands up these days
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Well, power metal basically sucks for the most part, so there is that (there are exceptions, but rarely).
Woah, woah WOAH! Hold your horses José.
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Two can dance this tango, broseph.
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Then I'm honored to be your lady.
But men, power metal is just very generic, samey, and doesn't do anything. What is there to like besides maybe the energy you sense (which, once you've heard one song, you've heard them all)?
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Well I guess I'm a sucker for ye olde guitar wankage and double bass.
What really bothers me in most power metal bands is the lyrics. I don't mind if the lyrics are somewhat historical/fantasy based but when the word dragon is used I'm out. (with the exception of that one Kamelot song).
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DRAGONS ARE COOL, MAN! THEY BREATHE TEH FIRE AND DESTROY CASTLES AND EAT MATTHEW MACO... MACOHO.... MACONOHEA....THAT SOUTHERN GUY WITH THE ABS!!!
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One problem I have with the progressive genre as it stands today;
For every good band, there are countless generic, samey sounding bands. I know that this is probably true for every genre, but it seems especially prevalent with prog.
The good bands use their playing ability to do interesting, creative things. Then you have bands though who can certainly play the hell out of their instruments, but have no real creativity or writing ability.
The problem with the prog stereotype is that it really does exist, and in a big way. For every Dream Theater or Porcupine Tree, you get 100 bands who all have the same guitar tone, the same keyboard patches, the same singer, and not one distinct, memorable song among them.
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The biggest prog metal band I can think of is Tool. And they have absurd vocals, long songs, just not the absurd synths.
Or are they not prog metal?
They're Prog Rock