As confirmed by JR when interviewed by user Mebert78. It's being slightly discussed in the Japan thread, but since it's getting derailed, here's this one.
It sounds like he's written for more than one song. This is going to be a hell of a thing.
Quote from: Mebert78 on April 30, 2011, 10:00:33 PM
Lastly, I asked him if he could give me any details on the new album, songtitles, anything. He said one thing he could tell me is that Myung wrote lyrics for songs (I believe he said songs, plural -- as in multiple songs). Of course, we already figured this would happen. He said next he is recording his keyboard parts.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!
Please edit to include a link to whatever JR said.
I think I just did a Mike Mangini.
Nice!! :metal :metal :metal
Quote from: Frosthawk on May 01, 2011, 10:49:35 AM
I think I just did a Mike Mangini.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_2439.png)
HAAAHH!
Mangini'd everywhere
Love the verb :rollin
We already have two threads where this has been brought up and another thread (DT11 speculations) that could easily be used for this as well. This thread is pretty pointless imo.
People in that thread were saying how it was being derailed. It's not pointless.
I have like a tsunami of emotions right now...ahh..
I think I am looking forward to the album more and more by the day. DT11 WILL be awesome.
Quote from: Frosthawk on May 01, 2011, 10:49:35 AM
I think I just did a Mike Mangini.
Oh you sons of b...
You know what I'm worried about? The first time he contributes lyrically in YEARS is their first album without MP.
...Oh well, I won't speculate about that.
Quote from: IdoSC on May 01, 2011, 11:06:32 AM
Quote from: Frosthawk on May 01, 2011, 10:49:35 AM
I think I just did a Mike Mangini.
Oh you sons of b...
You know what I'm worried about? The first time he contributes lyrically in YEARS is their first album without MP.
...Oh well, I won't speculate about that.
Why would that worry you? ???
MYUNG LYRICS? HAAAAAAAAAAAA-
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r215/dimitrius21/1e219104.jpg)
fukken ninja'd
Peter what are you doing?
John Myung is writing lyrics again!
https://youtu.be/HDe5lsE9JhA
Also, Mangini'd :tup
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 01, 2011, 11:12:28 AM
Quote from: IdoSC on May 01, 2011, 11:06:32 AM
Quote from: Frosthawk on May 01, 2011, 10:49:35 AM
I think I just did a Mike Mangini.
Oh you sons of b...
You know what I'm worried about? The first time he contributes lyrically in YEARS is their first album without MP.
...Oh well, I won't speculate about that.
Why would that worry you? ???
Maybe it's just me lol, but it sounds kinda weird. I mean, he just suddenly decided to contribute lyrics again? And not just for one song, but a few?
I guess "worried" is not the right word, but anyways, forget about it. I guess I'm a little over-thinking stuff XD
No, it shows how unrestrained JMX is now.
I don't think it's weird. I think it is telling, and reinforces the belief of many who thought Portnoy was behind that silly rule that stopped Myung from contributing lyrics. If it is true, and Myung lyrics do appear on the next album, I think it is more than reasonable to assume this.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Literally, just AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on May 01, 2011, 11:23:12 AM
No, it shows how unrestrained JMX is now.
And if you were the one restraining him...cough..MP...cough, why would you do that to such a beastly writer and player?
I hope we'll get a confirmation about JLB lyrics too. And if JLB does write lyrics, I hope it's something among the lines of Disappear/most of the songs in SI, not political lyrics. His political lyrics are great, but right now there are quite a lot of them lol.
Also, does this mean theirs no rules in the studio?
Quote from: KevShmev on May 01, 2011, 11:24:35 AM
I don't think it's weird. I think it is telling, and reinforces the belief of many who thought Portnoy was behind that silly rule that stopped Myung from contributing lyrics. If it is true, and Myung lyrics do appear on the next album, I think it is more than reasonable to assume this.
Yep. It's definitely more reasonable to assume.
In fairness to MP, it could also be that DT really want to please their fans with this next album, and JM lyrics is a great way to do that. JP might have been like, "Yo. JM. You probably have some unused lyrics saved. Let's use them". Or, JP maybe didn't want to do all the lyrics, so he was like, "JM, you gotta help me bro".
Lots of possibilities. Me, I would probably go with a combination of the three.
Haha...This just helps my theory that the new album is gonna be as good, if not better, as awake.
Maybe, but they've got to show that the departure of Mike has nixed their standard songwriting style.
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on May 01, 2011, 11:31:43 AM
Also, does this mean theirs no rules in the studio?
Like No running by the mixing board?
It just seems in the absence of MP, who was one of the major writers of the band, the other guys have to increase their output because they'll likely produce the same amount of material. I'm not saying what Mike did was bad, we obviously all became fans of the band with him at the helm, but I think this could be a very cool shift.
Mike, like myself, loves the work of Stanley Kubrick who was a very controlling movie director. He was involved in every aspect of his movie's creation. He felt that it often turned out better if there was one guy running the show and that's probably true, if labels and movie studios just let their guys do what they wanted I think things would turn out a lot better. In a band with as many incredible musicians as DT though, if one guy tries to take over, other great artists inevitably get covered up.
Quote from: orcus116 on May 01, 2011, 11:38:59 AM
Maybe, but they've got to show that the departure of Mike has nixed their standard songwriting style.
I remember JP said something about writing new riffs and demos or something in his Tweeter back in November-December, before they went into the studio. I might be wrong, but if I'm not, that's a sign something's changed.
It could just be that he offered to step up to help fill the void left by Mike.
No matter what the cause is, I am excite.
Now all we need is Myung to stay at/above his standard lyrically, and a 10 out of 10 composition, and we might get a LTL 2! :D
Not a word from MP so far about any of this new drummer business.
Another great news this week. :metal
Quote from: Metabog on May 01, 2011, 11:50:19 AM
Not a word from MP so far about any of this new drummer business.
It's better this way. What do you want him to say?
Quote from: Mladen on May 01, 2011, 12:00:38 PM
Another great news this week. :metal
I really have to say: what a great week to be a DT fan!
I'm doing the happy dance, I'm doing the happy dance.
Quote from: IdoSC on May 01, 2011, 12:02:04 PM
Quote from: Metabog on May 01, 2011, 11:50:19 AM
Not a word from MP so far about any of this new drummer business.
It's better this way. What do you want him to say?
"DAMMIT HE'LL NEVER SHUT UP NOW."
I believe the words of John Myung are fatal to all those that hear them. Mike Portnoy was the guardian, the protector if you will. Without him, the Myung is free to unleash his madness. Nowhere is safe.
I just Mangini'd my pants.
I'm very glad to see Myung has returned to having a role as a lyricist (or has been allowed to return to having a role as a lyricist). Everything he's penned has proven to be a the highlight of its respective album, IMO, and I won't be surprised it it proves true for the new album.
He's going to write one about being bossed around by MP.
It will be called The Ass Prison (featuring balls).
Quote from: Pirate on May 01, 2011, 12:33:46 PM
He's going to write one about being bossed around by MP.
It will be called The Ass Prison (featuring balls).
Sounds like the beginning of a 5-song-concept-suite. One that I am in complete favor of.
Quote from: Pirate on May 01, 2011, 12:33:46 PM
He's going to write one about being bossed around by MP.
It will be called The Ass Prison (featuring balls).
:lol
Quote from: MasterShakezula on May 01, 2011, 12:40:32 PM
Quote from: Pirate on May 01, 2011, 12:33:46 PM
He's going to write one about being bossed around by MP.
It will be called The Ass Prison (featuring balls).
Sounds like the beginning of a 5-song-concept-suite. One that I am in complete favor of.
The Ass Prison
This Dying Hole
The Booty of All Evil
Incontinence
The Splattered Toilet
Quote from: KevShmev on May 01, 2011, 11:24:35 AM
I don't think it's weird. I think it is telling, and reinforces the belief of many who thought Portnoy was behind that silly rule that stopped Myung from contributing lyrics. If it is true, and Myung lyrics do appear on the next album, I think it is more than reasonable to assume this.
Or...perhaps it instead reinforces the belief of many who took JM at his word when he said
several months before Mike announced leaving the band that he planned to write some lyrics in the future.
It is possible he was going to write regardless of MP's status.
Either way. :that one dancing in your seat excitedly emote:
Quote from: bösk1 on May 01, 2011, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 01, 2011, 11:24:35 AM
I don't think it's weird. I think it is telling, and reinforces the belief of many who thought Portnoy was behind that silly rule that stopped Myung from contributing lyrics. If it is true, and Myung lyrics do appear on the next album, I think it is more than reasonable to assume this.
Or...perhaps it instead reinforces the belief of many who took JM at his word when he said several months before Mike announced leaving the band that he planned to write some lyrics in the future.
Where did this come from?
Quote from: orcus116 on May 01, 2011, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: bösk1 on May 01, 2011, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 01, 2011, 11:24:35 AM
I don't think it's weird. I think it is telling, and reinforces the belief of many who thought Portnoy was behind that silly rule that stopped Myung from contributing lyrics. If it is true, and Myung lyrics do appear on the next album, I think it is more than reasonable to assume this.
Or...perhaps it instead reinforces the belief of many who took JM at his word when he said several months before Mike announced leaving the band that he planned to write some lyrics in the future.
Where did this come from?
Interview, circa the end of the BCSL tour. Think it was for a Dutch bass magazine?
The confirmation's the exciting thing, though. "Yeah, I could write some lyrics soonish" got us a bit pumped, but I think we took it with a pinch of salt at the time. Now it's full steam ahead. SO psyched.
EDIT: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=4931.0
As originally posted by - oh, how embarrassing, it's me!
Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on May 01, 2011, 11:33:51 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 01, 2011, 11:24:35 AM
I don't think it's weird. I think it is telling, and reinforces the belief of many who thought Portnoy was behind that silly rule that stopped Myung from contributing lyrics. If it is true, and Myung lyrics do appear on the next album, I think it is more than reasonable to assume this.
Yep. It's definitely more reasonable to assume.
In fairness to MP, it could also be that DT really want to please their fans with this next album, and JM lyrics is a great way to do that. JP might have been like, "Yo. JM. You probably have some unused lyrics saved. Let's use them". Or, JP maybe didn't want to do all the lyrics, so he was like, "JM, you gotta help me bro".
Lots of possibilities. Me, I would probably go with a combination of the three.
Likely this. Whatever the case, I am fucking
pleased.
Yep, Jordan did confirm to me last night that John Myung wrote lyrics on the new album. I asked him for any news he could share about the album like possible song titles, and he immediately responded by saying that Myung "is back to writing lyrics." I'm pretty sure he then said "songs" plural, as in more than one song, but like I said in the other thread I was nervous and can't clearly remember his exact wording. But just the fact that Myung's lyrics was the first thing that came to Jordan's mind when asked about the new album is pretty telling to me.
Quote from: Mebert78 on May 01, 2011, 01:11:41 PM
he immediately responded by saying that Myung "is back to writing lyrics."
Heheh, he knew what to say to distract a fan looking for answers.
Quote from: Zydar on May 01, 2011, 12:43:02 PM
Quote from: MasterShakezula on May 01, 2011, 12:40:32 PM
Quote from: Pirate on May 01, 2011, 12:33:46 PM
He's going to write one about being bossed around by MP.
It will be called The Ass Prison (featuring balls).
Sounds like the beginning of a 5-song-concept-suite. One that I am in complete favor of.
The Ass Prison
This Dying Hole
The Booty of All Evil
Incontinence
The Splattered Toilet
If I didn't change my sig just moments ago, I'd make it this. Fine show.
Quote from: KevShmev on May 01, 2011, 11:24:35 AM
I don't think it's weird. I think it is telling, and reinforces the belief of many who thought Portnoy was behind that silly rule that stopped Myung from contributing lyrics. If it is true, and Myung lyrics do appear on the next album, I think it is more than reasonable to assume this.
I don't think it's appropriate to
assume anything. The entire band dynamic has changed now and they've lost one of their main lyric contributors. Plus, months and months ago, before MP left, Myung had confirmed in an interview that he was going to contribute lyrics again.
I'm not saying it's not possible, but Myung contributing lyrics when he had already said that he intended to do so doesn't change a thing about whether we can assume it to be true or not.
Quote from: tri.ad on May 01, 2011, 10:58:59 AM
We already have two threads where this has been brought up and another thread (DT11 speculations) that could easily be used for this as well. This thread is pretty pointless imo.
Actually, unlike most of Aniland's threads, this is something definitely worth discussing. :lol
Let us remember that the band were hinting at JMX doing some lyrics again before Portnoy ever left the band.
Quote from: ariich on May 01, 2011, 03:24:00 PM
Plus, months and months ago, before MP left, Myung had confirmed in an interview that he was going to contribute lyrics again.
I'm not saying it's not possible, but Myung contributing lyrics when he had already said that he intended to do so doesn't change a thing about whether we can assume it to be true or not.
But like rob said, it's easy to pass off a statement like that when someone goes "yeah I'll contribute in the future", especially when they haven't done so in quite a long time and its been stated that the phrasing of their lyrics doesn't line up with the music some times. I know that Mike had reinforced that rule in commentary so give Kev a little credit. His assumption is more likely true than not.
I don't think there is any evidence to say it's more likely true than not, and in fact given statements prior to MP leaving I'd say the only bit of evidence points the other way.
I think the quality of JMX's lyrics might be one of the most agreed-upon aspect of Dream Theater by their fans. At least by the fans in this community.
So, yeah, I Mangini'd, too, just like pretty much everyone else in this thread.
Something to consider: Myung has just so happened to have written some of the band's most loved and recognized songs. There's a very good chance that we may be idealizing way too much. I hope and have hopes that they will be awesome songs, but I think we're all going to imagine them to be top-tier stuff, when really, how often do top-tier things come about?
Nevertheless, BRING IT JM.
That's true, we are basing our excitement on a very small sample.
Still excited though. :biggrin:
-J
LTL, LSOAD, ToT, Fatal Tragedy.
A lot to live up to for sure.
Guys, somebody write me up a good definition for the Mangini'd verb (picture can be included) so I can add it to our forum definitions.
Mangini'd -verb past tense - an explosion of pure joy as a result of something DT related
Best week for DT news we've had in a looong time.
Mangini'd all up in this bitch.
Quote from: Aniland on May 01, 2011, 04:18:58 PM
Something to consider: Myung has just so happened to have written some of the band's most loved and recognized songs. There's a very good chance that we may be idealizing way too much. I hope and have hopes that they will be awesome songs, but I think we're all going to imagine them to be top-tier stuff, when really, how often do top-tier things come about?
Nevertheless, BRING IT JM.
He's had twelve years to come up with something good. I think he'll do just fine. :P
This is undoubtedly good news, and adds further credibility to my suspicion that this album will be their best in years.
Quote from: Implode on May 01, 2011, 12:50:20 PM:that one dancing in your seat excitedly emote:
I finally remembered that it's :caffeine:
No thanks to you guys.
It amazes me how profound people found LSoaD to put JM on such a high lyrical pedestal.
If anything I'm just happy that with MP gone, creative freedom seems wide open, but it ends there. I'd be happy if only JP and JLB wrote lyrics going forward.
Quote from: JPX on May 02, 2011, 07:37:39 AM
It amazes me how profound people found LSoaD to put JM on such a high lyrical pedestal.
If anything I'm just happy that with MP gone, creative freedom seems wide open, but it ends there. I'd be happy if only JP and JLB wrote lyrics going forward.
It's not just LSoaD, LTL and ToT have great lyrics as well. FT's lyrics aren't on that level, but they're pretty solid.
Myung lyrics?!?!
I Mangini'd
I also love the lyrics for LSOAD, but what I've always loved that song lyrically after hearing JM talk about it once. (I have zero sources or links to this comment, so you can take it for what it's worth I guess.) But I once heard him say that it's about the relationship between a man and a woman and how they compliment one another.
I've always liked how he put it like that.
Banny, I'm pretty sure it has literally been YEARS since I've seen you around. What's up?
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 02, 2011, 08:59:39 AM
Banny, I'm pretty sure it has literally been YEARS since I've seen you around. What's up?
This. (although he's been on MP.com)
Quote from: Nick on May 01, 2011, 04:41:10 PM
Guys, somebody write me up a good definition for the Mangini'd verb (picture can be included) so I can add it to our forum definitions.
Quote from: chrisbDTM on May 01, 2011, 04:46:24 PM
Mangini'd -verb past tense - an explosion of pure joy as a result of something DT related
Post that badboy on UrbanDictionary and get everyone here to give it the thumbs up! ;D
I am a long time DT fan but fairly new to the board (discovered it when the drummer search started) so I don't know a lot of the background of the inner workings of the band. I've seen on numerous posts reference to how lyrics had to be submitted under a certain process. Can someone give me a little background on that? When did it start, why did they think that was best, who was the driving force behind it? Thanks.
Quote from: Demolition on May 02, 2011, 09:31:22 AM
I am a long time DT fan but fairly new to the board (discovered it when the drummer search started) so I don't know a lot of the background of the inner workings of the band. I've seen on numerous posts reference to how lyrics had to be submitted under a certain process. Can someone give me a little background on that? When did it start, why did they think that was best, who was the driving force behind it? Thanks.
I might get some things wrong there, but;
Since the band jams and gets the music first, and write lyrics separately, they started following a rule around the SFAM era or a bit after it, which iirc said you either have to fit your lyrics to the compositions or they won't be used. I believe, again, the driving force was Portnoy though sounds nobody in the band objected if they actually followed it for years.
I might be completely wrong.
This is indeed fantastic news and is just one more reason on top of twenty other reasons I so desire to have this album immediately.
But, is it possible that those of us who absolutely LOVE JM's lyrics, in the absence of his lyrical contribution, have built them/him up to such a 'mythical' level that there is no way he can possibly quench or satisfy our expectations?
Or, does he give us a host of songs that declare once and for all that he is in fact a lyrical master...worthy of the praise and worship that has developed over the past 12 years?
Yes, I think our mythic idealizations are going to come down on us hard.
I don't expect his lyrics to be super duper great or amazing. You get rusty after ten years.
But I'd like to think he didn't just magically loose his talent and ability either. If they aren't at least very good I'd be disappointed.
Quote from: ReaPsTA on May 02, 2011, 10:05:20 AMYou get rusty after ten years.
LOL I'll say... it's weird to know that the man who wrote "Under a Glass Moon" wrote "THE SOLDIERS IN THE WINE"
I mean, to be fair, UAGM is pretty incomprehensible.
Yeah but at least the imagery is really something else. "Nervous flashlights scan my dreams / Liquid shadows silence their screams / I smile at the moon chasing water from the sky / I argue with the clouds stealing beauty from my eyes" is way more intriguing then "Let me introduce my brother / A bearded gentleman / Historian"
I thought the band has stated that "Under a Glass Moon" was intentionally supposed to be pretty WTF, both musically and lyrically.
I came
I saw. I conquered.
Quote from: Orbert on May 02, 2011, 10:32:07 AM
I thought the band has stated that "Under a Glass Moon" was intentionally supposed to be pretty WTF, both musically and lyrically.
I always pictured UAGM as the thoughts of some one falling in and out of sleep in a car on the side of the road on a rainy night. Hm.
Nervous flashlights = headlights going by
Liquid shadows = shadows created from drizzling rain on the windows.
Etc....
Strange interpretation I know. :lol
Quote from: Orbert on May 02, 2011, 10:32:07 AM
I thought the band has stated that "Under a Glass Moon" was intentionally supposed to be pretty WTF, both musically and lyrically.
I guess that's why the song is so incredible. :metal
I feel that JP's lyrics went from beautiful yet baffling fantasy nonsense to rhythmic and realistic accounts of life.
Which are told using the most boring descriptors and phrasing possible.
Why was JM barred from writing lyrics?
Quote from: Implode on May 02, 2011, 02:02:51 PM
I feel that JP's lyrics went from beautiful yet baffling fantasy nonsense to rhythmic and realistic accounts of life.
That's just the stage from Systematic Chaos to Black Clouds.
Tuscany's lyrics may be silly, but man...the phrasing and the melodies are brilliant.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 02, 2011, 05:35:36 PM
Quote from: Implode on May 02, 2011, 02:02:51 PM
I feel that JP's lyrics went from beautiful yet baffling fantasy nonsense to rhythmic and realistic accounts of life.
That's just the stage from Systematic Chaos to Black Clouds.
True. I was thinking more of WDADU though. :lol
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 02, 2011, 05:35:36 PM
Quote from: Implode on May 02, 2011, 02:02:51 PM
I feel that JP's lyrics went from beautiful yet baffling fantasy nonsense to rhythmic and realistic accounts of life.
That's just the stage from Systematic Chaos to Black Clouds.
:lol
Quote from: Aniland on May 02, 2011, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: ReaPsTA on May 02, 2011, 10:05:20 AMYou get rusty after ten years.
LOL I'll say... it's weird to know that the man who wrote "Under a Glass Moon" wrote "THE SOLDIERS IN THE WINE"
To be honest, those are my favourite lines in that song. The ones before the MP vocals I mean. I thought they were pretty cool and creepy when I heard them.
The best way I can put my feelings about Petrucci's lyrics these days is that they aren't as... Creative.
@LLTWM: When the MP vocals come in, it turns me off a little. It just sounds funny.
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on May 02, 2011, 06:57:25 PM
@LLTWM: When the MP vocals come in, it turns me off a little. It just sounds funny.
Yeah my thoughts. But prior to that is cool.
Quote from: Orbert on May 02, 2011, 10:32:07 AM
I thought the band has stated that "Under a Glass Moon" was intentionally supposed to be pretty WTF, both musically and lyrically.
I like those WTF songs!!! of course in a very good WTF non-sense! :rollin
ITT: People think that nonsensical = creative
It actually takes creativity to put together phrases which sound cool when spoken or sung, but which do not make literal sense upon closer inspection. The music in "Glass Moon" is similar; a lot of crazy stuff going on that doesn't really follow a form or build up to anything, but sounds cool anyway.
Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on May 02, 2011, 06:20:08 PM
The best way I can put my feelings about Petrucci's lyrics these days is that they aren't as... Creative.
Or should we say, they're not as abstract...
Quote from: Orbert on May 02, 2011, 09:02:22 PM
It actually takes creativity to put together phrases which sound cool when spoken or sung, but which do not make literal sense upon closer inspection. The music in "Glass Moon" is similar; a lot of crazy stuff going on that doesn't really follow a form or build up to anything, but sounds cool anyway.
Thing is, if it sounds cool but sounds nonsensical, that's for some reason vastly preferable to when it sounds cool but is a bit literal/straightforward.
I don't really have a preference either way, I like both, and each to their own I guess. But it's quite funny seeing people trying to explain why one is supposedly so much better than the other.
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on May 02, 2011, 06:57:25 PM
@LLTWM: When the MP vocals come in, it turns me off a little. It just sounds funny.
I actually have no idea what this acronym means. o_O
Quote from: FretMuppet on May 02, 2011, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on May 02, 2011, 06:20:08 PM
The best way I can put my feelings about Petrucci's lyrics these days is that they aren't as... Creative.
Or should we say, they're not as abstract...
That can be part of it! But even simple, straightforward stuff can still be creative. These days his stuff is very... Forgettable. Not much that sticks in my head.
Some of it might be pretty stupid (the Bearded Gentlemen verse basically) but The Count Of Tuscany is pretty creative.
Edit: And on thread subject, I am looking forward to this, but John Myung lyrics don't automatically make a good song. Learning To Live and Trial Of Tears are awesome but they'd still have been awesome if Petrucci had written lyrics for them.
Quote from: ariich on May 03, 2011, 07:26:30 AM
Thing is, if it sounds cool but sounds nonsensical, that's for some reason vastly preferable to when it sounds cool but is a bit literal/straightforward.
Nah, cool-sounding nonsensical lyrics are preferable to uncool literal/straightforward ones. The argument is that a lot of DT's more blunt, literal lyrics don't even "sound cool".
-J
I was mostly responding to Ħ's claim that "People think that nonsensical = creative". Literally throwing together jibberish and hoping it works doesn't take much creativity, but actually making it work does.
The classic prog example is Yes lyrics, especially in the 70's, which sound really cool and rhyme and have a great rhythm to them, but make no literal sense. Jon Anderson claims that they're poetry and he'll explain them to you, but Steve Howe and Chris Squire were also there and they don't know what the hell it means, other than that they were all stoned as hell at the time.
And how do you pronounce Ħ anyway?
My test for lyrics is very simple, do I enjoy singing along with them?
With TCOT, I feel weird even when no one's around. With UAGM, I'd ignore anyone who gave me weird looks.
So, yeah.
Fair enough. I absolutely love singing along to TCOT! :lol
Just imagined singing The Count of Tuscany into a hairbrush in the mirror. Yikes!
Okay thanks.