I hadn't seen this covered (if it was than forgive me for reposting this) but who do you think will be doing Mike's Harmonies/Call & Response vocals live (or in the studio on later releases for that matter) now? Would it be the new drummer? Just curious.
I'd love to see JR try backing vocals, though I think that's very unlikely. Maybe Petrucci will take care of all backing vocal duties.
A robotic voice from JR's iPhone will do them.
Quote from: KevShmev on April 25, 2011, 12:10:55 PM
A robotic voice from JR's iPhone will do them.
Microsoft Sam :lol
Auto-tune the shit out of Myung's brand new backing vocals.
It will be the first ever back up singer who just headbangs throughout the show and only sings Mike cookie monster vocals. :lol
The audience...who else.
I hope no one, songs which don't require MP's backing vocals to sound well would actually work better without backing vocals at all. And I can't think of many songs besides many Constant Motion which actually require backing vocals, and if it's only CM, I'd rather have it being blacklisted.
Well, my guess is "noone", but for songs where the vocal trade-offs are necessary (particularly CM and maybe TGP - in which I can see JP doing it as well), I can imagine JR triggering samples (or one long sample).
The guy at 3:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woxbCUpws44
No-one please!
JR and JP and maybe the drummer.
Would it be kosher if they used a taped version of MP's vocals? I'd be cool with that if none of the other members are up for it.
Well, we did learn from PW that singing wasn't part of the audition... at least not during the songs.
I'd leave some parts for the audience.
JLB should just sing all of the non-response stuff himself. For example, in the infamous ANTR section, he should sing the first half in his lower register and then dramatically increase the pitch for the "everyone was saved" part. No reason at all why that wouldn't work, and it'd keep the stupid trendy harsh vocals out of DT.
Just don't play the songs that have Portnoy's vocals...
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on April 26, 2011, 01:14:14 PM
Just don't play the songs that have Portnoy's vocals...
Including the harmonies, that would be almost all of them...
I like the Idea of ANTR being sung in his lower register, then when "how can you prepare." Comes get higher and higher.
I'm not sure what the rules say about using sequenced versions of MP's vox. Van Halen did it, and I'd assume their legal department checked that whole thing out pretty well. Their problem was that Wolfgang was pretending to sing them while MA's voice came out. That was in poor taste and they knocked it off.
However, I doubt they'd do that. They'll probably just work around it.
It wouldn't surprise me if TGP made it into upcoming setlists, so hopefully we'll find out.
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on April 26, 2011, 02:29:24 PM
I like the Idea of ANTR being sung in his lower register, then when "how can you prepare." Comes get higher and higher.
It'd all sound pretty good with the vocal effect from This Dying Soul.
Quote from: Zydar on April 25, 2011, 12:12:34 PM
Microsoft Sam :lol
I don't remember the last time I laughed this hard.
:lol
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on April 26, 2011, 02:29:24 PM
I like the Idea of ANTR being sung in his lower register, then when "how can you prepare." Comes get higher and higher.
This.
Have you guys heard "In too Deep?" the lowest I've ever heard JLB, and one of his most amazing moments IMO. :metal
Hopefully nobody. I honestly think that they should just leave James the hell alone and let him be the singer. On Live at Budokan, they sound miserably bad when they all try to sing "In the Name of God." I think they bring James down because they're singing out of tune and it makes HIM sound like he's singing out of tune. I don't see James grabbing a guitar and playing along with Petrucci.
Quote from: SnakeEyes on April 26, 2011, 06:56:08 PM
Hopefully nobody. I honestly think that they should just leave James the hell alone and let him be the singer. On Live at Budokan, they sound miserably bad when they all try to sing "In the Name of God." I think they bring James down because they're singing out of tune and it makes HIM sound like he's singing out of tune. I don't see James grabbing a guitar and playing along with Petrucci.
You mean the "Liiisten, when the prophet speaks to you"
FALSETTO :metal
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on April 26, 2011, 09:38:21 PM
You mean the "Liiisten, when the prophet speaks to you"
Yeah, that's exactly the part. It's awful. No offense to James, because I love his singing, but he has enough trouble as it is sometimes (long tours, really difficult parts) that, in my opinion, he doesn't really need two guys with terrible singing voices complicating things by singing WITH him. That's like if another guitar player who wasn't as good as JP stood behind him and tried to play really difficult passages right along with JP. Would that be fair?
edit..
Disclaimer: before someone informs me of this, I know DT can do whatever they want. I know it's their band, etc. I just HOPE they go back to having only James sing and I simply described my reasons above.
I hope they redo ANTR and record someone elses voice who can sing the "Day after Day" part well, and just play the sample on live concerts, a la Voices, that sing imo is just too good to drop altogether because it has a big Portnoy part to it.
and dare I say that it sounds so much better when someone like Akerfeldt sings it, so it will be better. Two birds in one stone.
Quote from: SnakeEyes on April 26, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
That's like if another guitar player who wasn't as good as JP stood behind him and tried to play really difficult passages right along with JP. Would that be fair?
That's actually a really good point. I know from experience it is incredibly hard to play tight if the other guitar player is messing up. I assume the same can be said about vocals, unless Labrie just don't have the backing vocals in his monitor system. But I suppose he must have those.
God bless Petrucci. But please, no more falsetto singing!
Quote from: SnakeEyes on April 26, 2011, 06:56:08 PM
Hopefully nobody. I honestly think that they should just leave James the hell alone and let him be the singer. On Live at Budokan, they sound miserably bad when they all try to sing "In the Name of God." I think they bring James down because they're singing out of tune and it makes HIM sound like he's singing out of tune. I don't see James grabbing a guitar and playing along with Petrucci.
He did play a keyboard during the intro to Octavarium.
Quote from: Dream Team on April 26, 2011, 01:03:35 PM
JLB should just sing all of the non-response stuff himself. For example, in the infamous ANTR section, he should sing the first half in his lower register and then dramatically increase the pitch for the "everyone was saved" part. No reason at all why that wouldn't work, and it'd keep the stupid trendy harsh vocals out of DT.
Thats a great idea!
Quote from: Jirpo on April 27, 2011, 12:58:33 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on April 26, 2011, 01:03:35 PM
JLB should just sing all of the non-response stuff himself. For example, in the infamous ANTR section, he should sing the first half in his lower register and then dramatically increase the pitch for the "everyone was saved" part. No reason at all why that wouldn't work, and it'd keep the stupid trendy harsh vocals out of DT.
Thats a great idea!
Great!
But some others(The Glass Prison, Silent Man, Blind Faith...) can sing JP
At the end of Mike's ANTR section, instead of the RRRRROAAAAAARRRRRRRRR, James should do some epic high pitched WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH like on Learning to Live or Innocence Faded or something...
Quote from: FretMuppet on April 27, 2011, 04:05:08 AM
At the end of Mike's ANTR section, instead of the RRRRROAAAAAARRRRRRRRR, James should do some epic high pitched WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH like on Learning to Live or Innocence Faded or something...
If he can :lol
I agree with Snake Eyes.
But like I said the other day, if/when they play "A Nightmare to Remember" with the new guy live, they should just replace the "Day after day' section with a short drum solo (since you figure he will get a solo section, just like Rudess did on his first tour with the band, and like Sherinian did on the FII tour).
what if James just sings what was meant to be the original melody for that section, you know, the "passing still, beside this hill" bit?
Quote from: SnakeEyes on April 26, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
Disclaimer: before someone informs me of this, I know DT can do whatever they want. I know it's their band, etc. I just HOPE they go back to having only James sing and I simply described my reasons above.
That would be going
way back. When was the last time only James sang live? I first saw them on the FII tour, and MP was doing backing vocals then.
Quote from: FretMuppet on April 27, 2011, 05:42:06 AM
what if James just sings what was meant to be the original melody for that section, you know, the "passing still, beside this hill" bit?
Either this, or some different vocal melody entirelly. A drum solo is fine but I don't want them sacrificing a whole section. That section is awesome, even if the vocals are not.
Quote from: KevShmev on April 27, 2011, 05:29:01 AMBut like I said the other day, if/when they play "A Nightmare to Remember" with the new guy live, they should just replace the "Day after day' section with a short drum solo (since you figure he will get a solo section, just like Rudess did on his first tour with the band, and like Sherinian did on the FII tour).
Not a bad idea.
After watching the audition video with Mangini quite a few times over the last 2 days, I've been listening to ANTR more, and I have to say, I'm a bit sad it will never again be performed properly (i.e., with Mike's vocals) again. But such is life. I hope we eventually get a Ytsejam release of some stuff from the BCSL tour, especially since it was such a short tour anyway and there won't be a live label release. It would be nice if they threw something our way.
Remember when MP said they originally intended to compose the section in ANTR so James would sing it, and gave a few links of demos made for this part? What if James will just sing it that way?
Or even better; I remember when James said in an interview that Matt Guillory and him intended to use James singing with a rasp, Awake-like voice whenever Peter sings in Static Impulse before he joined JLB's band. I think that could be awesome :D