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Title: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Tomislav95 on April 21, 2011, 12:45:43 PM
Systematic chaos which isn't DT's best album but those songs are great. So, what are you think, which is better? I personally prefer TMoLS.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: KevShmev on April 21, 2011, 12:57:05 PM
ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOE II

Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: jsem on April 21, 2011, 01:04:01 PM
ITPOE
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: ariich on April 21, 2011, 01:08:07 PM
TMOLS easily.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: bosk1 on April 21, 2011, 01:13:21 PM
Can't stand TMOLS.  This is an easy choice.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Zydar on April 21, 2011, 01:14:44 PM
Can't stand TMOLS.  This is an easy choice.

Exactly.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 21, 2011, 01:40:59 PM
prophets of war
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: adameastment on April 21, 2011, 01:42:52 PM
The ministry of lost souls is good, but not as good as the ITPOE saga :D
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: FretMuppet on April 21, 2011, 01:44:39 PM
I absolutely love TMOLS
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: BanksD on April 21, 2011, 02:04:09 PM
Can't stand TMOLS.  This is an easy choice.

Exactly.

That makes 3 of us.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Infinite Cactus on April 21, 2011, 02:12:17 PM
ITPOE. TMOLS is my least favorite DT song.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Jamesman42 on April 21, 2011, 02:13:24 PM
Can't stand TMOLS.  This is an easy choice.

Exactly.

That makes 3 of us.

3 + 1 = 4
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: j on April 21, 2011, 02:17:34 PM
ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOE II

That is all.

-J
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 21, 2011, 07:21:56 PM
Two of my favourite DT songs. Going with ItPoE though.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Gadough on April 21, 2011, 08:38:13 PM
ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOE II

That is all.

-J

Yeah, Kev nailed it.

Personally, I don't understand how anyone can dislike Ministry of Lost Souls...it may drag a bit, but the solo at the end is mint.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Aniland on April 21, 2011, 08:40:55 PM
ItPoE pt. 2 > ItPoE pt. 1 > TMoLS
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: ReaPsTA on April 21, 2011, 08:49:57 PM
Voted TMOLS, but:

ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOE II

Basically, to show my opinions numerically:

ITPOE Pt. 1: 4.5
ITPOE Pt. 2: 3.5
ITPOE: 3.5 (Yeah, I really hate The Reckoning)
TMOLS: 4.0
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Adami on April 21, 2011, 09:47:14 PM
ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOE II




:)
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Bolsters on April 21, 2011, 11:12:27 PM
Can't stand TMOLS.  This is an easy choice.
Same here. ITPOE would be very far from the top of my top DT songs list, but I still don't mind most of it. TMOLS on the other hand puts me to sleep whenever I try to listen to it. ITPOE.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Jirpo on April 21, 2011, 11:31:32 PM
TMOLS easily.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: SeventhSon on April 21, 2011, 11:44:58 PM
In the Presence of Enemies.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: tri.ad on April 22, 2011, 02:43:49 AM
ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOE II



Exactly this.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Mladen on April 22, 2011, 03:56:02 AM
TMOLS is my 2nd favorite Dream Theater song.

ITPOE is awesome as well, though.  :metal
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: IdoSC on April 22, 2011, 05:20:10 AM
Both songs are great, ItPoE is probably a top 10 DT song to me though.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: BRGM on April 22, 2011, 07:40:16 AM
Two of my favourite DT songs. Going with ItPoE though.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: wolfking on April 22, 2011, 08:07:21 AM
TMOLS easily.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: erik16 on April 22, 2011, 08:11:23 AM
can't decide.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: wolfking on April 22, 2011, 08:15:58 AM
can't decide.

Well, you better.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Tomislav95 on April 22, 2011, 08:18:42 AM
Arrrgggghhhh, forgot add "can't decide" option
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: wolfking on April 22, 2011, 08:21:31 AM
Arrrgggghhhh, forgot add "can't decide" option

Good, cop out answer.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Dublagent66 on April 22, 2011, 08:30:59 AM
ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOE II

Yep, ITPOE sandwich.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Infinite Cactus on April 22, 2011, 03:09:48 PM
I was doing my song rankings a while back for every DT song and ITPOE pt.1 was up at number 10. Then I remembered to rank it as a whole song. It now sits at like 60 something. I like bits of pt 2 (parts of part 2?) but not enough to bring the whole thing up.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: 2Timer on April 22, 2011, 03:33:42 PM
It was a close one for me, though. I could have gone either way.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Lowdz on April 22, 2011, 04:01:55 PM
Love them both. TMOLS just takes it for that solo and the general vibe, and because JP didn't plagiarise the lyrics...
that we know of...
I enjoy alot of SC, just not TDEN, CM and Repentance.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on April 22, 2011, 04:38:08 PM
Two of my favourite DT songs. Going with ItPoE though.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Aramatheis on April 22, 2011, 06:19:48 PM
ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOE II


Pretty much.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: ? on April 23, 2011, 01:28:03 AM
ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOE II


Pretty much.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 23, 2011, 04:24:48 AM
ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOE II
There you go.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Aramatheis on April 23, 2011, 08:09:55 AM
I enjoy alot of SC, just not TDEN, CM and Repentance.

I for one have no problems with any of SC. I don't understand why everyone hates it so much..

 ???
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 23, 2011, 08:20:40 AM
I enjoy alot of SC, just not TDEN, CM and Repentance.

I for one have no problems with any of SC. I don't understand why everyone hates it so much..

 ???
This.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Mladen on April 23, 2011, 09:03:17 AM
I understand why people might hate Systematic chaos, but I still absolutely love it.  :metal
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: KevShmev on April 23, 2011, 09:04:27 AM
Everyone doesn't hate SC so much. 
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Aramatheis on April 23, 2011, 09:56:05 AM
Everyone doesn't hate SC so much. 

From the comments about it, one could assume that it isn't very popular
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Tomislav95 on April 23, 2011, 01:15:39 PM
I just don't like TDEN.TMoLS, ITPOE and Forsaken are my favourites.Others from SC are just good
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 23, 2011, 01:34:47 PM
Everyone doesn't hate SC so much. 

From the comments about it, one could assume that it isn't very popular
The comments about it are read on the internet. Not even half of DT's fanbase lives and comments on the internet. I've heard lots of people (new fans, to be more specific) praise the album and think it's one amazing metal album.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Aramatheis on April 23, 2011, 03:04:56 PM
Everyone doesn't hate SC so much. 

From the comments about it, one could assume that it isn't very popular
The comments about it are read on the internet. Not even half of DT's fanbase lives and comments on the internet. I've heard lots of people (new fans, to be more specific) praise the album and think it's one amazing metal album.

Well I'm glad to hear it. thank you
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Nick on April 23, 2011, 03:36:54 PM
Comparing the best and worst song on the album.

In the Presence of Enemies by miles.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: MajorMatt on April 23, 2011, 04:59:20 PM
ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOE II
There you go.

Yep
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Jamesman42 on April 23, 2011, 05:01:15 PM
TMOLS is one of DT's worst songs. It's up there with You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe, WDADU, and about 1/4 of SFAM.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: MajorMatt on April 23, 2011, 05:02:39 PM
TMOLS is one of DT's worst songs. It's up there with You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe, WDADU, and about 1/4 of SFAM.

:|

I personally wouldn't class it alongside Just Let Me Breathe etc. Burning My Soul, yes. But it's no where near as bad as You Not Me, I'd rank it mid-to-low :)
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Aramatheis on April 23, 2011, 05:02:53 PM
Best be trollin.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: HarlequinForest on April 24, 2011, 12:12:50 AM
ItPoE p1 > TMoLS > ItPoE p2

however,

TMoLS > ItPoE
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Tomislav95 on April 24, 2011, 12:06:24 PM
TMOLS is one of DT's worst songs. It's up there with You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe, WDADU, and about 1/4 of SFAM.
In your opinion ;D
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 24, 2011, 01:50:23 PM
Best be trollin.

He isn't. That's the way my man rolls.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Global Laziness on April 24, 2011, 02:09:22 PM
In the Presence of Enemies is my 25th favourite Dream Theater song. The Ministry of Lost Souls is my 45th favourite Dream Theater song.

So, In the Presence of Enemies.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: FretMuppet on April 24, 2011, 03:14:43 PM
So much hate for such an intricate and beautiful song  :sadpanda:

TMOLS made me fall in love with Dream Theater, its just so full of emotion and incredible melodies.
The acoustic bit at the beginning is just hypnotising
The vocal performance is fantastic
The transition from soft to heavy is powerful
The unison  :heart
The final solo  :heart :heart
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: axeman90210 on April 24, 2011, 06:23:55 PM
Comparing the best and worst song on the album.

In the Presence of Enemies by miles.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Jirpo on April 24, 2011, 08:35:05 PM
So much hate for such an intricate and beautiful song  :sadpanda:

TMOLS made me fall in love with Dream Theater, its just so full of emotion and incredible melodies.
The acoustic bit at the beginning is just hypnotising
The vocal performance is fantastic
The transition from soft to heavy is powerful
The unison  :heart
The final solo  :heart :heart
Yeah this song is incredible, its right up their with the heavyweights for me.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 24, 2011, 10:08:49 PM
TMOLS for me. The Reckoning just drags ITPOE down.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: The Degenerate on April 27, 2011, 04:01:09 PM
ITPOE 1 is good, TMOLS is alright, ITPOE 2 is awful. Not sure what to vote for :-\
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: manticore999 on April 27, 2011, 04:03:13 PM
I always throught ITPOE part 1 was the only decent song on the album.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 27, 2011, 06:22:37 PM
flesh
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Nighthawkwill7 on April 27, 2011, 06:35:23 PM
ITPOE is pure  :metal
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: PixelDream on April 27, 2011, 06:47:29 PM
Neither are amongst my favorites, but it's kinda like this way:

ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOEII

ITPOE I is promising and just great, TMOLS has nice intentions but the composition is just clunky IMO, and ITPOEII is just not the stuff I want to hear from DT, it probably is my least listened to DT track. I almost can't believe part 1 and 2 were supposed to be together. The reprise of JP's guitar theme from part 1, in part 2, just sounds unnatural to me.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Chaotic_AK on April 28, 2011, 02:10:11 AM
I originally liked TMOLS better, but I've grown towards more ITPOE, so ITPOE!
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Mr. Beale on May 02, 2011, 01:18:52 AM
ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOE II


Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: jsem on May 02, 2011, 01:57:44 AM
I enjoy alot of SC, just not TDEN, CM and Repentance.

I for one have no problems with any of SC. I don't understand why everyone hates it so much..

 ???
This.
I'd give SC something like 6/10. ITPOE pt 1 is the only really good thing on the album.
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Riceball on May 02, 2011, 02:11:15 AM
I did my little 2011 ratings thingo today and being the nerd that I am ran some descriptive statistics on my ratings.

SC wasn't the worst album on an average basis, but when I ranked them taking into account the deviation in my ratings of individual songs it finished a distant last (behind even WDADU which has never clicked for me).

The problem that, in my opionion, it has is its got a couple of gems, many mediocre DT songs (but still awesome songs) and a couple of howlers (that are still great/greatish songs).
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: alirocker08 on May 02, 2011, 08:21:03 AM
I've had to say TMOLS purely because...I don't know actually, I guess it just clicks a little bit more than, ITPOE. Both, in my opinion are great songs, but overall the story behind TMOLS grabs me more, it seems a lot more emotional.

Yes. I'm a lyrics nerd. And a story nerd. Don't judge me v.v
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: 7thHanyou on May 02, 2011, 08:25:56 AM
The Ministry of Lost Souls was one of the few things I liked about Systematic Chaos.  It was a great song.  What do people have against it?
Title: Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
Post by: Fjubb on May 02, 2011, 09:27:21 AM
Both songs are great, but ItPoE easily wins it. I'm a little surprised to see some people complaining about The Reckoning, that's one of my favourite DT moments.