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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: ricky on February 20, 2011, 05:52:43 PM
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I personally LOVE the song and can't understand why so many people don't like it.
Please explain?
Oh, and no random JM poll option this time.
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Umm... what?
Where have you read that?!
IF is one of the best songs on Awake!!
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I like it, although the lyrics are a little abstract for my tastes.
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Who hates Innocence Faded?
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Since when do people not enjoy IF?
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Would be the best song on Awake if it wasn't for Scarred.
THE CHILD WILL CRAWL TO FIND YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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Awesome song, if there is hate it is not a major opinion.
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Would be the best song on Awake if it wasn't for Scarred.
LOLScarred
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There are no bad songs on I&W, Awake and ACOS.
Imho.
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Would be the best song on Awake if it wasn't for Scarred.
LOLScarred
Scarred will consume your soul and tear it apart.
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I dig it. Has some good riffs and melody lines. Not my favorite track, but far from the bottom of the barrel. I really dig it on Score.
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Yay I'm the first to not like it! I don't hate it at all though.
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Would be the best song on Awake if it wasn't for Scarred.
LOLScarred
Scarred will consume your soul and tear it apart.
I don't think the most overrated song in DT history can do that.
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Yay I'm the first to not like it! I don't hate it at all though.
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Any mention of the last 3 tracks off Awake needs to be banned. This is what I've observed in my time here.
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There are no bad songs on I&W, Awake and ACOS.
Imho.
Agreed.
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I dig it. Has some good riffs and melody lines. Not my favorite track, but far from the bottom of the barrel. I really dig it on Score.
Yeah that.
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I don't hate it but I'm not fond of it.
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I love it.
Some will transcend spinning years whoahohowhoa~ :metal
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I dig it. Has some good riffs and melody lines. Not my favorite track, but far from the bottom of the barrel. I really dig it on Score.
How could you not, it has one of the best JLB live moments in recent DT history. NOT INTENDING TO WAAAAAAAAND.
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I love it as well. JLB's vocals are a standout, and the instrumental outro is one of the bands best.
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I didn't know anyone hated it. It has a great outro solo and some crazy vocals.
I will say that I read somewhere that somebody (accurately IMO) described the intro as sounding like the intro to an '80s family sitcom, and I haven't been able to shake that ever since. :lol
-J
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I love it as well. JLB's vocals are a standout, and the instrumental outro is one of the bands best.
BEST AVATAR EVER
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I love it as well. JLB's vocals are a standout, and the instrumental outro is one of the bands best.
BEST AVATAR EVER
Seconded.
Welcome to the board.
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Umm... what?
Where have you read that?!
IF is one of the best songs on Awake!!
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I don't know if people hate it. It's weaker than the rest, but I would never hate it.
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Umm... what?
Where have you read that?!
IF is one of the best songs on Awake!!
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It's middle of the road for me as far as Awake is concerned. It's neither one of the best nor one of the worst on the album. It's just there, and I like it. I listen to it when I listen to the whole album, but I never have a desire to listen to just that song by itself.
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It's my favorite song on Awake because it's got that Images and Words vibe. I think highly of Awake, so that's saying something.
To answer a question asked by a lot of people here, I've seen it criticized as very "hair metallish" in contrast to the darker vibe of Awake. I sort of get that, but I wonder if those same people have a problem with songs like Surrounded.
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I kinda like it :-\
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My take:
1) Great music
2) James' "crying drunken wailing" parts strewn in from the second verse on almost ruin it.
3) "the faithful liver wing"
4) "what is if time dissapears"
5) Transcendent outro.
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I love it as well. JLB's vocals are a standout, and the instrumental outro is one of the bands best.
BEST AVATAR EVER
Seconded.
Thirded.
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2) James' "crying drunken wailing" parts strewn in from the second verse on almost ruin it.
I just don't understand.
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2) James' "crying drunken wailing" parts strewn in from the second verse on almost ruin it.
I just don't understand.
I've always imagined James with a microphone and a bottle of whiskey singing the second part of this song. Still a good song. Especially the outro.
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2) James' "crying drunken wailing" parts strewn in from the second verse on almost ruin it.
That's actually my favorite part of the song. Great song.
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Who hates Innocence Faded?
Hey bro.
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I like it quite a bit.
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Awesome song
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Probably my least favorite song on Awake, but I still like it a lot. Not the biggest fan of the chorus for some reason but that's probably my only main criticism of the song.
SOMETHING SOMETHING
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Best song on Awake. Dat outro :azn:
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Worst DT song period. Yup. Worse than YNM and Prophets of War.
I said it.
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I love IF, and haven't noticed any hatred towards it.
EDIT: dammit, hadn't seen jsem's post. Well, he's crazy anyway, that doesn't count. :P
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I was very confused by this too, why and where are all there haters? (I see you Jsem, typin' that post! :hat)
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It's alright.
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I personally LOVE the song and can't understand why so many people don't like it.
Please explain?
Oh, and no random JM poll option this time.
I don't ever remember this song being hated.
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Worst DT song period. Yup. Worse than YNM and Prophets of War.
I said it.
You're a crazy person.
This is a great song, and although I have seen comments over the years of people not liking it for various reasons, they have been fairly few and far between, so I am curious about the impetus of the thread.
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One of the best songs on Awake, definitely. A great great song.
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2) James' "crying drunken wailing" parts strewn in from the second verse on almost ruin it.
That's actually my favorite part of the song. Great song.
Awesome, bro! Glad you enjoy it. It's just one of the few things of theirs that doesn't do much for me. Except for the outro, which is one my favorite things of theirs.
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Worst DT song period. Yup. Worse than YNM and Prophets of War.
I said it.
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Other than 6:00 and Erotomania I didn't really care for Awake. IF had way too much 'screaming', IMO. I'm not a huge JLB fan, but when he actually sings he's pretty good. The screaming, though, is like nails on a chalkboard. Awake also had the 'fake' sounding snare that makes me cringe every time I hear it.
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Wonderful song, one of my favorites on Awake. James LaBrie just rocks, and I love the outro as well.
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I love it
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I don't hate it. Therefore, everybody doesn't hate it. :p
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A lot of people on this board some to have the notion that 4-5 people=Everybody.
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It's a great song in its own right, but it also gets points for adding to the diversity of Awake with its soaring, happy vibe. Interesting that the lyrics don't match the soaring nature of the song; pretty cool contrast, actually, now that I think about it.
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Its a good song, I think its just oddly placed, It'd be better if it was before LSOAD.
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Re: Why does everbody hate Innocence faded?
like it - 99 (91.7%)
honestly, don't like it - 9 (8.3%)
lol
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Its a good song, I think its just oddly placed, It'd be better if it was before LSOAD.
I think it's perfectly placed: a great turn to take after the heaviness of CIAW, and the instrumental outro prepares the way for "Erotomania."
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Love the song, especially the outro.
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great song!
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The bit where JLB sings THE CHILD WILL CRAWL TO FIND YOUUUUUUU as it kicks into the intro melody is brilliant!
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... I really dig it on Score.
QFT :tup
I only wish that the killzone mode solo at the end (on both album's versions) didn't just kinda ... abruptly end.
As a matter of fact in support of this thread and the song I am firing it up at too loud of a volume for all the office to enjoy at this very moment. :metal
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2) James' "crying drunken wailing" parts strewn in from the second verse on almost ruin it.
I just don't understand.
I've always imagined James with a microphone and a bottle of whiskey singing the second part of this song. Still a good song. Especially the outro.
Damn you. Now I'll never look at that part the same way again. :lol
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Has one of my favorite Petrucci solos...
Tin
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I don't hate it, just not a great DT song. This and CIAW were the reason I struggled to get into Awake when it first came out. didn't like either of them, so 2 out of the first three tracks were a bit meh.
I don't tend to skip them these days but there was a ttime I would.
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Great song.
But there isn't any weak songs in Awake.It's incredible album.
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I appreciate the lack of hate in the "Why does everybody hate Innocence Faded?" thread.
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2) James' "crying drunken wailing" parts strewn in from the second verse on almost ruin it.
I just don't understand.
I've always imagined James with a microphone and a bottle of whiskey singing the second part of this song. Still a good song. Especially the outro.
Damn you. Now I'll never look at that part the same way again. :lol
Then just listen to the Score version, and you'll be cured. Better than then the original. It doesn't even have "the faithful liver wing", although it does still have "what is if time disappears" IIRC
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Something tells me this thread was made to feed a troll.
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exact opposite.
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I don't hate it, but it's not that special either. Just like the rest of Awake...
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Up there with some of my favorites. Top 20 at least. Especially the Score version.
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Up there with some of my favorites. Top 20 at least. Especially the Score version.
i prefer the studio version studio version than the score version.
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I actually listened to Awake for the first time this past week (I've only been a fan for about a year, was able to find physical CDs of all DT albums but Awake [and WDADU])...
My honest reaction was that Innocence Faded sounded "gay"(lame vocals) and not particularly interesting musically in any way, until the "Rush" parts, which sounded cool (because I like some rush). I have no idea what the lyrics are as of my 1st & second listen through... sometimes people can unduly elevate a song in their minds, musically, because the lyrics or song topic are legitimately good.
As of my 2nd listen, this might be my least favorite song on awake... certainly bottom 3.
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Top 15 song for me. The outro is incredible. But then again, so is the whole song.
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Great song.
But there isn't any weak songs in Awake.It's incredible album.
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I don't hate it, just not a great DT song. This and CIAW were the reason I struggled to get into Awake when it first came out. didn't like either of them, so 2 out of the first three tracks were a bit meh.
I don't tend to skip them these days but there was a ttime I would.
Funny, because Caught in a Web is one of the first songs on Awake I liked.
To be honest, my favorite tracks on that album are the first three and Lie, with Innocence Faded at the very top.
...Yeah, I like the least proggy songs on the album. No clue why, since my favorite song on I&W is Learning to Live.
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exact opposite.
Then why WAS it made? As you can see from the results, there is no hate for IF.
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There are no bad songs on I&W, Awake and ACOS.
Imho.
This.
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very glad they perfomed it in score..
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exact opposite.
Then why WAS it made? As you can see from the results, there is no hate for IF.
I think that's just his posting style. Very "C'mon, gimme a good reason why this is NOT so" and provoking, but I wouldn't say trolling. Like, the SFAM thread he created, the way he worded the OP was very provocative, but I think it's just a strong opinion with some ignorant forum knowledge.
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I don't hate Innocence Faded, but it is easily my least favorite track on Awake. The outro is good though. I'm not a fan of the vocals on this song. I can't comprehend entire sections of them without consulting a lyric sheet. Hell some Opeth growls are more discernible than these. That said LaBrie's performance on Score was much better than the studio version.
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Just like most of Awake, I don't find anything in the song that motivates me to listen to it. I will probably never listen to it again, and I'll be alright.
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The outtro is one of my favorite parts of a DT song. The rest of the song is kind of meh.
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does "don't like" <=> "hate"?? Why are there people who think that if you don't like something, then you hate it??
In my case, innocence faded is my least favorite song from Awake, maybe because when i listened to awake when i was 13 i found IF like the most outdated song from the album (not that i was right or wrong, i was 13 how much could i knew about it?, but that was the feeling i got stuck in my head)
i do liked the solo and outro.. it sounded a lot like extreme and i do remember skipping all the beginning just to listen to the solo and outro.
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I don't hate it. I think it's painful to listen to though. I only feel that way about IF & POW.
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I will probably never listen to it again, and I'll be alright.
Because you believe that after you're gone, Labrie will carry on?
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I don't hate Innocence Faded. Love the song, and especially JLB's performance of it on Score.
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I'm going to have to be in the minority here. I do hate this song and it is my least favorite DT track...by far. Now given that Awake is my favorite DT album of all time and the fact that I've been listening to it since it was released, I'd say I come by my hatred of it honestly.
I love every other song on Awake but I can't hack IF. Not to say the entire song has no redeeming value, but I just cannot stand the vocals. The background aaaahhhhhh's, the glass shattering highs that James hits, it all makes me cringe. The song also sounds too happy for the album. I LOVE JLB, and he's in my top 3 of all time for singers so it's not that I don't appreciate his range or his ability to hit highs. Just in this song it's like nails on a chalkboard. I've tried so hard to like this song (and I've listened to it a lot because my first copy of Awake was on cassette). With Awake being my favorite album it would just be so much easier to listen to the whole thing, but I go out of my way to skip this track because for me it just kills the vibe of the whole album. :( Never thought about it this way but maybe that's why it's my least favorite DT song of all time...because it's the only stain on an otherwise perfect 10 album.
I'll probably get creamed for this, but I've never actually heard the Score version because I always skip it out of habit. Just the opening riff triggers my skip track finger. Haha.
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@Pantherize, see below then. You might like it :smiley:
Then just listen to the Score version, and you'll be cured. Better than then the original. It doesn't even have "the faithful liver wing", although it does still have "what is if time disappears" IIRC
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I'll be honest. I hate this song.
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exact opposite.
Then why WAS it made? As you can see from the results, there is no hate for IF.
exactly.
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lol ricky is awesome, he is an inverse troll
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yeah, it's kinda funny :lol
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OK...just listened to the Score version and if THAT version had been on Awake, I wouldn't have hated it so much. A lot of my animosity for the song really is the Ahhhhhhs in the background vocals during the chorus. Maybe the contrast of JLB's high vocals with the sort of cheesy ahhhhhhhs is what bugged me. Problem is, I've heard the song so many times, I can't unhear them even when they're not there in the Score version. Haha.
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exact opposite.
Then why WAS it made? As you can see from the results, there is no hate for IF.
exactly.
WTF Are you crazy?
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OK...just listened to the Score version and if THAT version had been on Awake, I wouldn't have hated it so much. A lot of my animosity for the song really is the Ahhhhhhs in the background vocals during the chorus. Maybe the contrast of JLB's high vocals with the sort of cheesy ahhhhhhhs is what bugged me. Problem is, I've heard the song so many times, I can't unhear them even when they're not there in the Score version. Haha.
Told ya! ;D
Score is so amazing that way. Sacrificed Sons, Octavarium and War Inside My Head are more preferable on Score to me as well.
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exact opposite.
Then why WAS it made? As you can see from the results, there is no hate for IF.
exactly.
:lol I see what you did there.
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I just listened to the score version on the way to work, it is a great track.....by the way the spirit carries on is awesome on that disc too! :) Who am I kidding the whole triple cd is great.
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I never disliked the song. Some of my buddies would say that the chorus is pretty cheesy and I could see why but it didn't bother me that much. Definitely not one of the better songs on Awake, but when I heard the Score version, it blew me away. I have a much better appreciation for the song now.
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Didn't MP once make a comment along the lines of "DT could never do another song like IF because the fans wouldn't have it?" Maybe I'm making that up, but if in fact he did, why would he think that? At least in this poll, the majority is heavily in favor of the song.
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Because it sounds dated, as awesome as it is.
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Because it sounds dated, as awesome as it is.
But couldn't they write a song in the same vein that sounded "current?"
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I love Innocence Faded. Labrie sounds awesome and the outro instrumental section is incredible. I don't understand the hate. Just my opinion.
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Because it sounds dated, as awesome as it is.
But couldn't they write a song in the same vein that sounded "current?"
Good music is timeless. Anyone who rejects music that sounds "dated" really doesn't have an opinion worth considering when it comes to music.
The Fish-era Marillion albums all sound like they're straight out of the 80's, but I'd love them just as much if they were released last year. Actually, I didn't hear a single note of a Marillion song until last year and "Misplaced Childhood" still blew me away. I can't fathom disliking something because it sounds aged.
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Played Awake yesterday and I really enjoyed IF and CIAW, two songs I usually don't really like. Strange. 20 years (nearly) of listening to an album and my opinion changes like that. That outro is genius.
And I agree that great music is timeless, and production choices of the day have little to do with great music. All recorded music will sound dated eventually, when the current fad dies.
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One of my favorite songs from Awake, along with Lifting Shadows and Scarred.
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SOMETHING SOMETHING!
GOD, IT'S SUNDAY!
DO HAAAAAAIR!
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SOMETHING SOMETHING!
GOD, IT'S SUNDAY!
DO HAAAAAAIR!
:metal :metal
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There are no bad songs on I&W, Awake and ACOS.
Imho.
There are no bad songs on any of their albums. Except maybe for FIF...
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There are no bad songs on I&W, Awake and ACOS.
Imho.
There are no bad songs on any of their albums. Except maybe for FIF...
You're talking about Falling Into Finity?
I agree that Trial of Beers is pretty awful.
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Chose "not like it"
I do like it, actually, but I'd rather have any other song off Awake instead of it.
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I really only like 6:00 and Erotomania from that album, so count me as one who doesn't like it.
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There are no bad songs on I&W, Awake and ACOS.
Imho.
There are no bad songs on any of their albums. Except maybe for FIF...
You're talking about Falling Into Finity?
Oops. My bad.
That should read FII :biggrin:
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this thread totally needs to die guys.