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Been a fan of Symphony X for a long time but just recently got into the other bands above. I would have put in POS & Opeth but they are gaining a lot of popularity these days!
Honorable mentions:
Ark - Burn the Sun
Frameshift
Dragonforce - haha, just joking!
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Out of those choices, it's Redemption, easily.
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Out of those choices, it's Redemption, easily.
This. Although Vanden Plas kicks ass and Symphony X is cool. But this is far from an exhaustive list.
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Just got into Threshold and man have I been missing out.
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redemption by a mile, followed by SX
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Out of those choices, it's Symphony X, easily.
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Out of those choices, it's Threshold, easily.
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Symphony X
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HAKEN
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I would have put in POS
Seriously, what is so great about Pain of Salvation? I hear about them so much on this forum.
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Symphony X by a country mile. I love that band! I must check out Redemption though, as I haven't heard any yet. Can anyone recommend what I should listen to first?
I would have put in POS
Seriously, what is so great about Pain of Salvation? I hear about them so much on this forum.
I sort of like PoS, but I have to be in the right frame of mind - they're a little too morose for my usual tastes. Mind you, people say the same about Evergrey, but I like much of their stuff... but I do hear that the last couple of albums are very very similar..... In Search of Truth was excellent though....
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Hard choice between SX and Redemption. I think I'll go with SX, just.
Theshold wouldn't be far behind those two. Underrated prog band, if anyway doesn't know them, you should really check them out.
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Another decent prog band that gets no recognition is Sieges Even.
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Most of those bands get plenty of recognition. But out of those options I'd pick SX.
Now if we're talking about newly emerging prog bands my pick would have to go to Tetrafusion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTGxqe1nnNk).
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Out of those choices, it's Redemption, easily.
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Redemption for me.
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Definitely Symphony X
LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE WITH SHADOWS AND FEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARS BEHIND SMOKE AND MIRRORS :metal
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None of them are particularly good, but I guess Redemption.
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Not a fan of Symphony X or Redemption as all. Threshold is pretty good, but I hit other so I could say Cloudscape. :)
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Symphony X gets a hell lot of recognition...and Redemption has a fairly large following around these parts as well.
Threshold has been around for 18 years, and I think the reason they aren't being discussed much is because it's been a while since they released an album coupled with the fact their most recent album is arguably their weakest effort.
And there is a large swathe of users here who will mock your love of Vanden Plas. I'm not one of them, but poor Norwood got killed in his Vanden Plas thread.
Bitching about the thread title aside, I rank them Redemption first, Threshold & Sy X tied, and Vanden Plas last because I've never gotten into them.
Now, if you want to talk about criminally overlooked bands that do not have a lot of recognition, here's a list for you:
Arena
Royal Hunt
Enchant
Henning Pauly / Frameshift / Chain
Tiles
and that's just off the top of my head.
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Seriously guys, Haken.
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Symphony X is the best those.
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Most of those bands get plenty of recognition.
This.
Animals as Leaders for me. Though they're less "prog" and more "progressive."
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Hard choice between SX and Redemption. I think I'll go with SX, just.
I'm in this boat.
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I would vote Symphony X, but that's not fair because I've never heard of Threshold.
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Other.
John Arch-era Fates Warning or Into the Woods... would have to take it. Not a fan of the other bands.
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Symphony X made Rediscovery pt. 2, they win.
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It's a battle between Symphony X and Redemption.
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Soundscape (two 5-star records)
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What do Soundscape sound like? I can't watch youtube videos or listen on Myspace.
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SX are on the same level as DT as far as i'm concerned.
Absolutely love the band. Can't wait for the new album.
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Threshold has been around for 18 years, and I think the reason they aren't being discussed much is because it's been a while since they released an album coupled with the fact their most recent album is arguably their weakest effort.
I haven't heard all their albums but Dead Reckoning was okay. They went for a more modern approach and on some songs it worked, but IMO they lost a bit of their sound. Although Pilot is one of their best songs. But it doesn't have songs like Eat the Unicorn, Exposed, Mission Profile, Pressure, Oceanbound, Tension of Souls etc.
Extinct Instinct is one amazing album, and I much prefer Damian Wilson over Mac. They are still a very underrated band.
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I've tried getting into Symphony X but I just couldn't do it.
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I've tried getting into Symphony X but I just couldn't do it.
Try harder.
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Solution .45. Their debut album is one of my favorites of all-time.
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I've tried getting into Symphony X but I just couldn't do it.
Try harder.
But I'm lactose intolerant! :neverusethis:
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Solution .45. Their debut album is one of my favorites of all-time.
Yeah, the lack of love for this album makes me sad. One of the top 5 albums this year.
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Christian is such an underrated singer. I found out that they're writing new material fairly soon :D
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I've tried getting into Symphony X but I just couldn't do it.
Try harder.
But I'm lactose intolerant! :neverusethis:
What have you heard?
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I've tried getting into Symphony X but I just couldn't do it.
Try harder.
But I'm lactose intolerant! :neverusethis:
What have you heard?
Divine Wings of Tragedy/The Odyssey.
I can get why someone would dig them but I can't listen to Allen's vocals for that long. Sorry :| I don't really like prog metal that much though....
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I recommend some of his less harsh vocals: listen to The Damnation Game
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I've tried getting into Symphony X but I just couldn't do it.
Try harder.
But I'm lactose intolerant! :neverusethis:
What have you heard?
Divine Wings of Tragedy/The Odyssey.
I can get why someone would dig them but I can't listen to Allen's vocals for that long. Sorry :| I don't really like prog metal that much though....
I was like that at the start, for some reason I just couldn't stand his vocals, I don't remember why but I couldn't. One day it just clicked and now I think he is one of the best singers around today.
I think it was actually the Russell Allen/Jorn Lande albums that really made me appriciate his voice, give them a go, it's more melodic and even AOR but great songs, solos and vocals. It gives you a different perspective on his voice than SX.
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Christian is such an underrated singer. I found out that they're writing new material fairly soon :D
That's the best news I've heard all day.
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I really like Shadow Gallery too... I already got 2 albums and I just ordered Room V purely on hearing the track 'Rain' via Youtube. Great stuff!
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I haven't heard all of them except for Symphony X, so yeah.
Shadow Gallery is amazing too.
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Heard all of them, like all of them. But my favourite non-DT prog metal band has to be Psychotic Waltz.
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Another decent prog band that gets no recognition is Sieges Even.
Yes! Sieges Even is awesome.
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What do Soundscape sound like? I can't watch youtube videos or listen on Myspace.
Can you listen online with anything?
they're a bit like Fates Warning, but at times they use a lot of heavy, fat-synths.
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Pretty much, all of the bands mentioned are some of the most recognized in the scene right now. They're also all VERY typical, cookie cutter prog, I think.
I feel like Fates Warning deserves at least a little more love for at least being a little more adventurous and less typical than other progressive metal bands.
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Out of those choices, it's Symphony X, easily.
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Out of those choices, it's Symphony X, easily.
Before anyone mistakes me for some kind of Symphony X fan, I'd just like to point out that I never said that. :P
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I don't really like Symphony X much, but compared to the other choices I really have to go with them.
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they're a bit like Fates Warning, but at times they use a lot of heavy, fat-synths.
What era FW? Either way, I'm probably sold.
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they're a bit like Fates Warning, but at times they use a lot of heavy, fat-synths.
What era FW? Either way, I'm probably sold.
hmm, I suppose the closest would be records like Perfect Symmetry and Parallels, but they actually covered "Fata Morgana" on a Fates Warning tribute album, adding touches of keyboards to it in fact.
I mean they also could compare to bands like Marillion, Enchant, Kansas, Queensryche, and even Rush at times. They sort of tip-toe the line between prog and hard rock at times.
They released 2 albums (both clocking in at close to 80 minutes)
1997 Discovery
2009 Grave New World
https://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/Soundscape1
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Out of those choices, it's Symphony X, easily.
Before anyone mistakes me for some kind of Symphony X fan, I'd just like to point out that I never said that. :P
Nothing wrong with being a Symphony X fan :P
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I would also add I find Superior LIGHT YEARS better and more interesting than all the bands on this list.
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has to be..
Symphony X
Off the choices, Symphony X is beyond anything else really, recognition-wise too, so having them in the mix is a little unfair thb :) But they still get my vote, since the other bands are little too inconsistent to get the vote.
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Redemption hands down for me
I've tried getting into Symphony X but I just couldn't do it.
This... the production on the albums always seems so thin to me and sorry not into Yngwie clones ...let the flame war begin
Other.
John Arch-era Fates Warning or Into the Woods... would have to take it. Not a fan of the other bands.
John Arch Era Fates is what got me into Prog-Metal....Ray is great, but it was John that I always go back to
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I didn't like John Arch. Very typical speed metal falsetto screaming. For the direction they would take, I think they really needed a singer with a lot more substance and versatility. They found it :)
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I've tried getting into Symphony X but I just couldn't do it.
sorry not into Yngwie clones ...let the flame war begin
You obviously haven't listened to them very much. Romeo is not a Yngwie clone.
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I didn't like John Arch. Very typical speed metal falsetto screaming. For the direction they would take, I think they really needed a singer with a lot more substance and versatility. They found it :)
Ray era FW just doesn't have the magic or power that John era FW did. And JA definitely fit that kind of Fates Warning to perfection imo
Sad that no one seems to know Into the Woods... though :(
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Evergrey! :hat
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I've tried getting into Symphony X but I just couldn't do it.
sorry not into Yngwie clones ...let the flame war begin
You obviously haven't listened to them very much. Romeo is not a Yngwie clone.
Saw a lot of talk of them...listened to a couple of albums (Wings/Twilight and V) and actually bought the live album, they honestly did nothing for me. Having grown up during the Shrapnel Years ( MacAlpine/Moore/Friedman/Becker) Romeo brought nothing new to the table that 100's of other guitarists weren't already doing
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I didn't like John Arch. Very typical speed metal falsetto screaming. For the direction they would take, I think they really needed a singer with a lot more substance and versatility. They found it :)
have you heard A Twist of Fate, John Arch's EP? or even for that matter, those auditions he did for Dream Theater.
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Evergrey! :hat
How could I forget Evergrey. In Search For Truth and Recreation Day are two of the best prog metal albums ever. A truly amazing band.
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I've tried getting into Symphony X but I just couldn't do it.
sorry not into Yngwie clones ...let the flame war begin
You obviously haven't listened to them very much. Romeo is not a Yngwie clone.
Saw a lot of talk of them...listened to a couple of albums (Wings/Twilight and V) and actually bought the live album, they honestly did nothing for me. Having grown up during the Shrapnel Years ( MacAlpine/Moore/Friedman/Becker) Romeo brought nothing new to the table that 100's of other guitarists weren't already doing
Fuck man, those four are like the big four of shred guitar IMO. Macalpine, Moore and Becker were soooooo underrated. Shame about Becker, he truly was gifted. Macalpine might be my favourite solo instrumental guitar player, his albums and songs are truly amazing.
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Ray era FW just doesn't have the magic or power that John era FW did. And JA definitely fit that kind of Fates Warning to perfection imo
Sad that no one seems to know Into the Woods... though :(
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Any links for "Into the Woods"?
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Ray era FW just doesn't have the magic or power that John era FW did. And JA definitely fit that kind of Fates Warning to perfection imo
Sad that no one seems to know Into the Woods... though :(
Any links for "Into the Woods"?
Misspelled it before lol, its "In the Woods..." (The ellipse is part of their name for some reason)
I'd recommend just getting the entire album "Heart of the Ages".
In The Woods... - Yearning the seeds of a new dimension
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QydUu2uAhYU
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oe_HxN9wi0&feature=related
Its got some harsh vocals and junk, but this song is an absolute masterpiece as far as I'm concerned.
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While I think Redemption is a much more intelligent band, Symphony X still trumps them, imo.
However, the next Redemption album, whenever it comes out, could be the killer album that rockets Redemption way up in my rankings.
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I feel like Fates Warning deserves at least a little more love for at least being a little more adventurous and less typical than other progressive metal bands.
Absolutamente!
I've tried getting into Symphony X but I just couldn't do it.
sorry not into Yngwie clones ...let the flame war begin
You obviously haven't listened to them very much. Romeo is not a Yngwie clone.
While Romeo might not be an exact Yngwie clone, Symphony X's music is basically an extension of the neo-classical metal style that Malmsteen made his name from.
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I feel like Fates Warning deserves at least a little more love for at least being a little more adventurous and less typical than other progressive metal bands.
Absolutamente!
I've tried getting into Symphony X but I just couldn't do it.
sorry not into Yngwie clones ...let the flame war begin
You obviously haven't listened to them very much. Romeo is not a Yngwie clone.
While Romeo might not be an exact Yngwie clone, Symphony X's music is basically an extension of the neo-classical metal style that Malmsteen made his name from.
Malmsteen started Neoclassical metal. Symphony X perfected it.
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Saw a lot of talk of them...listened to a couple of albums (Wings/Twilight and V) and actually bought the live album, they honestly did nothing for me. Having grown up during the Shrapnel Years ( MacAlpine/Moore/Friedman/Becker) Romeo brought nothing new to the table that 100's of other guitarists weren't already doing
I have to disagree with some of that, purely on a subjective level. While I grew up with much of the Shrapnel stuff, I think Symphony X brought a superior product to the party in terms of composition and the whole craft of songwriting. The likes of Tony MacAlpine and Vinnie Moore etc were and are fantastic instrumentalists, but they lacked the ability to translate their craft in songwriting, which is how I like my playing. Yes, maybe that wasn't their aim, and that point would certainly be valid, but I have to say that SX did it for me with their ability to create songs and soundscapes that took me on a journey, rather than 3 minutes of guitar wizardry over Usain Bolt's bass-drums (yes, I jest!) But that's just my taste. 'Vive la difference', as they say next door.
I used to like Malmsteen but he lost the ability to write a decent song IMO round about 1988. Absolutely cracking techinique and presence, but why oh why does he have to solo through everything live? :-\ I still play his early stuff regularly though! :hefdaddy
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I only know Symphony X out of those choices. So yeah, that.
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I've tried getting into Symphony X but I just couldn't do it.
sorry not into Yngwie clones ...let the flame war begin
You obviously haven't listened to them very much. Romeo is not a Yngwie clone.
While Romeo might not be an exact Yngwie clone, Symphony X's music is basically an extension of the neo-classical metal style that Malmsteen made his name from.
I somewhat agree, but that still doesn't mean Romeo is a Malmsteen clone.
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Quick Q: Even if you've never heard the band, does that mean you have to vote for someone you think deserves it, or can it also be someone from the list you have never heard of? The assumption is that if you've never heard of them, then maybe they deserve to be recognized more often.
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Quick Q: Even if you've never heard the band, does that mean you have to vote for someone you think deserves it, or can it also be someone from the list you have never heard of? The assumption is that if you've never heard of them, then maybe they deserve to be recognized more often.
Well, its all subjective. I don't really like any of the bands in the poll at all, but I think In The Woods... is absolutely amazing and deserves a million times the recognition that they get. But whatever floats your boat.
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Quick Q: Even if you've never heard the band, does that mean you have to vote for someone you think deserves it, or can it also be someone from the list you have never heard of? The assumption is that if you've never heard of them, then maybe they deserve to be recognized more often.
Well, its all subjective. I don't really like any of the bands in the poll at all, but I think In The Woods... is absolutely amazing and deserves a million times the recognition that they get. But whatever floats your boat.
Well, I've heard at least one song from each of them, but with everything I hear about Symphony X, I wouldn't vote for them, despite the fact I think they're awesome. But hey, you said it best. Thanks for the answer 7thSOn.
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Saw a lot of talk of them...listened to a couple of albums (Wings/Twilight and V) and actually bought the live album, they honestly did nothing for me. Having grown up during the Shrapnel Years ( MacAlpine/Moore/Friedman/Becker) Romeo brought nothing new to the table that 100's of other guitarists weren't already doing
I have to disagree with some of that, purely on a subjective level. While I grew up with much of the Shrapnel stuff, I think Symphony X brought a superior product to the party in terms of composition and the whole craft of songwriting. The likes of Tony MacAlpine and Vinnie Moore etc were and are fantastic instrumentalists, but they lacked the ability to translate their craft in songwriting, which is how I like my playing. Yes, maybe that wasn't their aim, and that point would certainly be valid, but I have to say that SX did it for me with their ability to create songs and soundscapes that took me on a journey, rather than 3 minutes of guitar wizardry over Usain Bolt's bass-drums (yes, I jest!) But that's just my taste. 'Vive la difference', as they say next door.
I used to like Malmsteen but he lost the ability to write a decent song IMO round about 1988. Absolutely cracking techinique and presence, but why oh why does he have to solo through everything live? :-\ I still play his early stuff regularly though! :hefdaddy
To each his own thats why people have different musical tastes, you talk about crafting a song and a soundscape, I just never heard that in SX's music, what I heard was lots of snippets of other genres ( Guitar Wizardry/Power Metal/Prog Metal) that never clicked with me on a whole. Where as Redemption and Fates Warning absolutely captured me on first listen.
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Symphony X to me are a Power Metal band.
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Symphony X to me are a Power Metal band.
Sure, and Dimmu Borgir are straight Black Metal.
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Anubis Gate. The last two albums have been awesome.
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Out of these four - Redemption
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Symphony X to me are a Power Metal band.
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Symphony X to me are a Power Metal band.
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Lol these people need to listen a little more before they make opinions , SX really do mix it up threw there discography , sure there are neo classicle / power / metal / on and on but ya really cant lable them one thing oh wait prog metal ya thats what they are :facepalm:
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Symphony X to me are a Power Metal band.
Sure, and Dimmu Borgir are straight Black Metal.
I like you. I like you a lot.
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To each his own thats why people have different musical tastes, you talk about crafting a song and a soundscape, I just never heard that in SX's music, what I heard was lots of snippets of other genres ( Guitar Wizardry/Power Metal/Prog Metal) that never clicked with me on a whole. Where as Redemption and Fates Warning absolutely captured me on first listen.
Absolutely. That's the beauty of music IMO -something for everyone! :tup