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Title: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 02, 2010, 08:22:50 PM
What is your favorite grunge band? I know 'grunge' is used loosely here, because much of the material by theses bands may be argued as not grunge, but for all intensive purposes, I'll use the big five that are often referred to as grunge.

My ranking would go like this, with spaces to represent bigger gaps in preference:

1. Alice In Chains
2. Stone Temple Pilots

3. Pearl Jam
4. Soundgarden

5. Nirvana

Discuss
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: 73109 on August 02, 2010, 08:26:04 PM
PJ followed closely by AiC. I like more AiC songs but the PJ songs, I like more, if that makes any sense. Both great. PJ is one of the best live acts out there and the music really speaks.

STP is good from the hits I know. Soundgarden is not my thing actually. Nirvana sucks.

Because this is a discussion, I have to ask, what is the best grunge album? I have to say either Vs. or Dirt.

Oh, and no good grunge can not have this:

RIP Layne and RIP Kurt (he might not have made the best music but he was a genious)
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 02, 2010, 08:29:31 PM
My favorite album by a 'grunge' band (reason I saw this is because most of their albums wouldn't be considered grunge) would probably be Dirt. I'm listening to Stone Temple Pilots' Purple right now. Man it's good. Pearl Jam's Ten is also really good too.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: King Postwhore on August 02, 2010, 08:32:07 PM
1. Stone Temple Pilots
2. Alice In Chains
3. Pearl Jam
4. Soundgarden

Can I leave Nirvana off? ;D
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: 73109 on August 02, 2010, 08:33:52 PM
I gotta say though. Kurt was an amazing dude. The music wasn't the best but the dude  really GOT it. He got what it was all about man. It reminds me of what The Who did in the 60's and 70's. He just understood.

/teenager
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: zxlkho on August 02, 2010, 08:33:58 PM
Alice In Chains
Soundgarden
Stone Temple Pilots
Pearl Jam
















Nirvana
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 02, 2010, 08:41:15 PM
I think we can all agree that Nirvana is the worst grunge band. To be fair, I've only heard one album each by Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and Soundgarden (but have more on my computer that I'll eventually listen to). I have every Alice In Chains album, love them all, in my top five favorite bands ever. Stone Temple Pilots, I've heard all but two of their records (one of them I have on my computer, probably listen to it tomorrow night), and all of them are uniquely different, and all awesome.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: King Postwhore on August 02, 2010, 08:42:57 PM
I gotta say though. Kurt was an amazing dude. The music wasn't the best but the dude  really GOT it. He got what it was all about man. It reminds me of what The Who did in the 60's and 70's. He just understood.

/teenager

He stuck a nerve at the time when people were looking for something different.  It was the angst in his voice and music that pulled a new generation in.  For me.  I like a few songs but gravitated to STP, AIC, PJ and SG.  I liked the darker harmonies of AIC.  STP old school rock meets new sound, PJ's sound to me was very unique and Ed's lyrics were intense.  SG was Black Sabbath of the 90's and I just dug it.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: 73109 on August 02, 2010, 08:44:33 PM
Birch:

Listen to PJ man. They are by far the most "out there" band of the 5, but it is great. It folky, psychedelic, acousticy. Just amazing. You really gotta check it out there.

Listen to Bugs :lol

Exactly King. He basically started a generation. What he did really was amazing. Sorry. I'm weird.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Quadrochosis on August 02, 2010, 08:46:16 PM
Considering the fact that most if not all grunge is utter shit, AiC is the best them.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: 73109 on August 02, 2010, 08:46:54 PM
lolquad

Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 02, 2010, 08:52:35 PM
lolquad


This, oh this
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: LCArenas on August 02, 2010, 08:54:58 PM
Alice in Chains by far, followed by Soundgarden, STP (Gotta hear more of them, though), Pearl Jam, TEMPLE OF THE DOG, and in the last place, Nirvana.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: skydivingninja on August 02, 2010, 09:05:11 PM
Awake-era Dream Theater.  So much grunge :neverusethis:

Serious answer: Pearl Jam and Soundgarden are my favorites.  AiC is just below them.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 02, 2010, 09:14:01 PM
TEMPLE OF THE DOG
Them and Mad Season were the two next most well-known that I left off because I wanted to stick with the big five, so to speak.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Seventh Son on August 02, 2010, 09:18:23 PM
Alice in Chains is the only one I've really liked. But hell AiC is borderline metal as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Quadrochosis on August 02, 2010, 09:20:11 PM
Alice in Chains is the only one I've really liked. But hell AiC is borderline metal as far as I'm concerned.

That's why they're the best of the "grunge" bands listed in this poll of otherwise terrible bands.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 02, 2010, 09:21:55 PM
Alice in Chains is the only one I've really liked. But hell AiC is borderline metal as far as I'm concerned.
I agree, hence why I like them the best.

Alice in Chains is the only one I've really liked. But hell AiC is borderline metal as far as I'm concerned.

That's why they're the best of the "grunge" bands listed in this poll of otherwise terrible bands.
Um, no.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Quadrochosis on August 02, 2010, 09:32:31 PM
The poll says otherwise, bro.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: LTE on August 02, 2010, 09:34:58 PM
Alice in Chains (early stuff)
Soundgarden


Everything else.

I dunno, I feel like I need to listen to Soundgarden more though, they might be better.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: wkiml on August 02, 2010, 09:36:32 PM
This is a real tough one for me.....

All released some great albums.

Alice in Chains/Pearl Jam/Soundgarden   I can't decide between these 3...depends on my mood at the time ...I played the shit out of Dirt/Ten/Vs./Badmotorfinger/Superunknown





Nirvana




STP...were far too poppy for my tastes
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on August 02, 2010, 09:41:27 PM
I think we can all agree that Nirvana is the worst grunge band.
You do realise there were more than five grunge bands, right?

And even from those five, Nirvana destroys STP.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 02, 2010, 10:22:51 PM
The poll says otherwise, bro.
I agree that they're the best (as I've stated multiple times), but all the other bands are certainly not shit. I wouldn't even call Nirvana that.


I think we can all agree that Nirvana is the worst grunge band.
You do realise there were more than five grunge bands, right?

And even from those five, Nirvana destroys STP.
Yes I realize there are more than five. As I said in the OP (or one of my posts on here), I decided to stick with the big five, acknowledging that I left out Temple Of The Dog and Mad Season, among others.

And Stone Temple Pilots >>> Nirvana (from what I've heard though, which is only one album, but as of now, that's my opinion, although I don't see me ever liking Nirvana more than STP).
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Arcaeus on August 02, 2010, 10:34:31 PM
Pearl Jam's the only band on this list I like (if only a little bit - Alice In Chains and Soundgarden I respect, but I don't care for their music), so them. Temple of the Dog and Mad Season both top everything on here.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on August 02, 2010, 11:09:56 PM
Mad Season has some incredible tracks, some good ones and some not so good ones.

I really need to hear Temple of the Dog.

And Stone Temple Pilots >>> Nirvana (from what I've heard though, which is only one album, but as of now, that's my opinion, although I don't see me ever liking Nirvana more than STP).
This really says it all. There's probably more variety between Nirvana's three studio albums than any other grunge band achieved.

STP are an okay Best Of band to me. As in, even their Best Of is just okay. Nirvana's albums are all at least pretty good. Well, except for Unplugged.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: contest_sanity on August 02, 2010, 11:25:07 PM
Nice to see some discussion of this type of music (which I love).  This whole genre was an integral part of my high school musical experience and will thus always be memorable to me.  However, I don't really separate "grunge" out from the larger "alternative" umbrella of the 90's, where you had other popular bands like Live, Offspring, Oasis, Better Than Ezra, Collective Soul, etc. 

Of the five you listed, it's really a tough call -- my answer might vary upon the day you asked me.  The best overall album, I think, is Soundgarden's Superunknown, though that gets some competition probably from the first three Pearl Jam albums.  AIC, as much as I love them, never put out an album I found to be consistently stellar throughout.  I feel much the same way about STP and Nirvana; both did a lot of great songs, but none of their albums completely hooked me as albums

All this lolnirvana stuff I really don't get.  You don't like his music, fine, but I think he at least had a recognizable artistic respectability.  I liked a lot of his music, as well as his word-play with lyrics -- but to each his own, I guess.

Getting back to the larger alternative scene, my favorite album would probably be either Oasis' (What's The Story) Morning Glory? or Weezer's debut album.  Unless you'd like to get really obscure, and then Sunny Day Real Estate's Diary probably trumps them all.

My favorite band in the alternative genre?  I'll have to give that some more thought; it's a very difficult question.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Genowyn on August 02, 2010, 11:33:19 PM
I happen to like Nirvana the most out of all these bands, but they're also who I've heard the most of. All I've heard of the others are basically the singles, and while some of them are certainly awesome (like Spoonman) they didn't really stand out much.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Zook on August 02, 2010, 11:34:05 PM
I was never a fan of grunge except Alice in Chains, half of Pearl Jam's Ten, a select few Soundgarden songs and one STP song. I hated STP and Nirvana when I was little. I used to own all of AiC's albums but soon realized most of it wasn't that interesting. Even Facelift (which I still own) has some stinkers. Jar of Flies is a great EP. If I never hear STP, Soundgarden and Nirvana again, it wouldn't phase me one bit.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Quadrochosis on August 02, 2010, 11:35:57 PM
I was never a fan of grunge except Alice in Chains, half of Pearl Jam's Ten, a select few Soundgarden songs and one STP song. I hated STP and Nirvana when I was little. I used to own all of AiC's albums but soon realized most of it wasn't that interesting. Even Facelift (which I still own) has some stinkers. Jar of Flies is a great EP. If I never hear STP, Soundgarden and Nirvana again, it wouldn't phase me one bit.

Agree with most of this.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: DarkEternalNight on August 02, 2010, 11:38:51 PM
I love Alice in Chains and saw them in April, like Soundgarden, don't care about the rest.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: pogoowner on August 02, 2010, 11:39:58 PM
1. Alice in Chains
2. Soundgarden

3. Pearl Jam

4. Stone Temple Pilots



5. Nirvana


Alice in Chains are probably my second favorite band of all-time (behind Kansas), and Soundgarden are great as well. I'm also a big fan of Temple of the Dog and Mad Season. With Pearl Jam, I like Ten a lot, but besides that, they're nothing special.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: contest_sanity on August 02, 2010, 11:48:53 PM
Haven't seen anyone throw out the name Screaming Trees yet.  Both Sweet Oblivion and Dust are good albums.  Mark Lanegan's vocals are fantastic.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2010, 04:56:54 AM
Pearl Jam, Bush and Soundgarden for me.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: TAC on August 03, 2010, 05:13:00 AM
I'm not really fans of any of these bands, but to me, Pearl Jam is cleary the best. They transended the whole era. Similar to Dream Theater, Pearl Jam is the perfact band to follow as a fan. Great albums and an even greater live experience, with long shows and rotating setlists, not to mention the mountain of live albums.

I am amazed at the following of AiC and that they were able to sustain an arena tour this year. I bought their first album and thought it was just recycled Armored Saint. I couldn't get into their second one.

And a lot of you forget just how popular Nirvana was. The eyes of the rock world were glued to them for about 3 years.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on August 03, 2010, 05:35:28 AM
1. Alice in Chains


2. Pearl jam
3. Soundgarden



4. Nirvana

5.STP




Yes I like nirvana.
Don't judge me
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: contest_sanity on August 03, 2010, 06:22:00 AM
Bush.
I didn't follow them much after the first 2, but Sixteen Stone is a grunge classic: at least 5 singles off that album.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on August 03, 2010, 06:23:06 AM
SWALLOWED

FOLLOWED

Can't say I like Bush, but I like that song. And Everything Zen is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2010, 06:27:28 AM
Bush.
I didn't follow them much after the first 2, but Sixteen Stone is a grunge classic: at least 5 singles off that album.

Sixteen Stone and Razorblade Suitcase are really the only essential Bush.  The Science of Things was a great listen but nothing compared to the first two.

Sixteen Stone is amazing, it was the first cd I owned and it introduced me into rock music.  Songs like Everything Zen, Bomb (fucking gem of a song), Little Things, Comedown, Machinehead, Glycerine, Swim, just a classic album, I love it even after all these years.

Forgot Testosterone, Monkey and Body.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2010, 06:28:35 AM
SWALLOWED

FOLLOWED

Can't say I like Bush, but I like that song. And Everything Zen is pretty cool.

If you like those songs, check the two album, they are very very good.

Razorblade had Greedy Fly, Cold Contagious, Tendency to Start Fires, Mouth, Bonedriven, also an amazing album.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: zxlkho on August 03, 2010, 06:29:14 AM
Everything Zen, Machinehead, and Glycerine are awesome.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on August 03, 2010, 06:31:29 AM
My brother has the albums. He's like Grunge/Grunge-related Central. I basically sampled the entire genre, and most of the music that influenced it, through him.

Some of the other songs were okay, from memory. But some kind of irked me. Glycerine and Mouth, for example. I dunno, maybe I should give them a try.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2010, 06:33:14 AM
My brother has the albums. He's like Grunge/Grunge-related Central. I basically sampled the entire genre, and most of the music that influenced it, through him.

Some of the other songs were okay, from memory. But some kind of irked me. Glycerine and Mouth, for example. I dunno, maybe I should give them a try.

I totally understand what you mean by being 'irked out.'  Some of their songs are really somber and Gavin's voice is somewhat disturbing and haunting at times.  Plus his lyrics are absolutely fucking bizarre.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Zook on August 03, 2010, 09:35:25 AM
Is Bush really grunge? I considered them just a Rock band. I bought Sixteen Stone on cassette for my tenth birthday. Always liked it, but yeah, some of the songs are just weird.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 03, 2010, 10:39:08 AM
Back to Nirvana, I like them, they are just not nearly as enjoyable to listen to as the others. But I love all their hits and singles and all that. AIC I've already talked about enough (one of my favorite bands ever). STP have that perfect mix of psychedelic rock, grunge, metal, country, and blues to be awesome, I could see myself liking Pearl Jam a lot if I heard more, as well as Soundgarden. I'll probably remain a casual Nirvana fan, because when I do hear the rest of their music (which I have on my computer), I can picture myself liking about half of it.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: j on August 03, 2010, 11:11:33 AM
Alice in Chains
Soundgarden


Pearl Jam
STP
Nirvana

AiC and Soundgarden are VERY close, I didn't know which one to rank first.  None of these bands are terrible though, not even Nirvana.

-J
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: 73109 on August 03, 2010, 11:14:04 AM
Machinehead

Is there a different Machine Head out there?
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Zook on August 03, 2010, 11:33:16 AM
There's a Bush song called Machinehead. It's one of their most popular songs.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: sirbradford117 on August 03, 2010, 11:39:10 AM
Pearl Jam, followed by Nirvana.  The rest I'm not familiar with.

I don't classify PJ as a grunge act, though.  The Ten/u] album has a bit of that sound, but by their second and third albums they had crafted a sound all their own.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Cool Chris on August 03, 2010, 12:56:57 PM
Looking back, I wish I was more in to grunge when it started taking off, since it was pretty much right in my back yard with PJ/AiC/etc... starting off in the PNW. Alas, I was too busy lamenting the downfall of the 80s MTV-generation hair/glam band genre  :'(
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: 73109 on August 03, 2010, 03:12:01 PM
There's a Bush song called Machinehead. It's one of their most popular songs.

Oh. My bad. Carry on.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2010, 04:53:55 PM
Is Bush really grunge? I considered them just a Rock band. I bought Sixteen Stone on cassette for my tenth birthday. Always liked it, but yeah, some of the songs are just weird.

I guess you have a point.  I guess they could be classed as alternate rock maybe.  I guess they were just out when the grunge movement were popular so they got stuck with that.

Really, most of Pearl Jam's material wouldn't be grunge either.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Elsydeon on August 03, 2010, 05:23:54 PM
Out of all those bands, PJ is the only one I really listen to. And boy do I listen to them!
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 03, 2010, 09:41:34 PM
Here's my list that no one will prolly give a damn about. ;)
Alice in Chains/Soundgarden
Temple of the Dog
Pearl Jam
Nirvana
Stone Temple Pilots

Dirt and Superunknown are perfect albums. I like Superunknown a little better since Dirt is just... depressing to listen to at times. Badmotorfinger and Facelift are both great. Down on the Upside and Alice and Chains are both kinda meh, though I prefer DotU, too much of AiC is just drawn out and boring. Thankfully, Black Gives Way to Blue was much better. Soundgarden's earlier stuff is just.... weird. Some great songs and just some obnoxious shit. Not sure how I'd rank it since I've only listened to a few songs here and there.

As for Pearl Jam, Ten is a great album, though a lot of the songs are overplayed. I've listened to 'some' of their other material and a lot of it just does nothing for me aside from a song here and there. Probably a band I should be more familiar with, but I can't get myself to care enough.

I admit I haven't listened to enough Nirvana and STP to make a solid judgment call (just the 'hits') but both give me little reason to care. STP, in particular, annoys me whenever I hear them.

Temple of the Dog is a fantastic album. 'Reach Down' is a great, great track. Actually most of the album is great.

I'm not sure if they'd be properly classified as 'grunge' (as a label it's pretty useless, since none of the above bands share much in common anyways), but Blind Melon's debut is a great album as well. Lots of very good tracks on there. Not sure how I'd place them since I haven't listened to their subsequent releases except for one of the albums released after Shannon Hoon died; For My Friends. It was not good.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 03, 2010, 10:05:16 PM
Here's my list that no one will prolly give a damn about. ;)
Alice in Chains/Soundgarden
Temple of the Dog
Pearl Jam
Nirvana
Stone Temple Pilots

Dirt and Superunknown are perfect albums. I like Superunknown a little better since Dirt is just... depressing to listen to at times. Badmotorfinger and Facelift are both great. Down on the Upside and Alice and Chains are both kinda meh, though I prefer DotU, too much of AiC is just drawn out and boring. Thankfully, Black Gives Way to Blue was much better. Soundgarden's earlier stuff is just.... weird. Some great songs and just some obnoxious shit. Not sure how I'd rank it since I've only listened to a few songs here and there.

As for Pearl Jam, Ten is a great album, though a lot of the songs are overplayed. I've listened to 'some' of their other material and a lot of it just does nothing for me aside from a song here and there. Probably a band I should be more familiar with, but I can't get myself to care enough.

I admit I haven't listened to enough Nirvana and STP to make a solid judgment call (just the 'hits') but both give me little reason to care. STP, in particular, annoys me whenever I hear them.

Temple of the Dog is a fantastic album. 'Reach Down' is a great, great track. Actually most of the album is great.

I'm not sure if they'd be properly classified as 'grunge' (as a label it's pretty useless, since none of the above bands share much in common anyways), but Blind Melon's debut is a great album as well. Lots of very good tracks on there. Not sure how I'd place them since I haven't listened to their subsequent releases except for one of the albums released after Shannon Hoon died; For My Friends. It was not good.
1. I gave a damn  ;D
2. Welcome to the forums
3. Awesome username, assuming you're referring to King Crimson or Bruce Dickinson's "King In Crimson". Either way:  :tup.

What I've heard of Blind Melon, I've liked, so I'll eventually be getting into them more.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 03, 2010, 10:48:13 PM
1. I gave a damn  ;D
2. Welcome to the forums
3. Awesome username, assuming you're referring to King Crimson or Bruce Dickinson's "King In Crimson". Either way:  :tup.

What I've heard of Blind Melon, I've liked, so I'll eventually be getting into them more.
1.  :tup
2. Thanks!
3. Both, actually.

Definitely give them some time. Their self-titled is fantastic! It's too bad they're really only known for that one song and probably thought of as a one-hit wonder.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 03, 2010, 10:48:19 PM
Nirvana trumps them all, though I never listen to any of those bands anymore, so it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: contest_sanity on August 04, 2010, 06:19:18 AM
Nirvana trumps them all, though I never listen to any of those bands anymore, so it doesn't matter.
Well, aren't you just so prog?
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Quadrochosis on August 04, 2010, 09:02:43 AM
"Whyyyyyyyyyyyyiiyiiyiiyiiiyii Can' I just Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiii?!"

Confused as to which grunge band does that song? That's because they all do.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Zook on August 04, 2010, 09:19:00 AM
Lol isn't that Pearl Jam?
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 04, 2010, 09:35:02 AM
Nirvana trumps them all, though I never listen to any of those bands anymore, so it doesn't matter.
Well, aren't you just so prog?
:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: pogoowner on August 04, 2010, 02:54:57 PM
"Whyyyyyyyyyyyyiiyiiyiiyiiiyii Can' I just Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiii?!"

Confused as to which grunge band does that song? That's because they all do.
Incorrect.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: ShadowWalker on August 04, 2010, 03:09:14 PM
I am surprised people are mentioning Temple of the Dog here. Good grunge-era album, sure, but given it's one-off tribute nature, I don't even consider it from a band perspective when thinking about the best bands of that time.

As far as bands of the time go, Mother Love Bone tops my list, then (based on how much I listen to what I have in my collection):

Pearl Jam - ten remains one of the best albums of all time, IMHO, and still gets regular spins from me.
AIC
Nirvana
Soundgarden
STP
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: wolfking on August 05, 2010, 04:49:23 AM
"Whyyyyyyyyyyyyiiyiiyiiyiiiyii Can' I just Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiii?!"

Confused as to which grunge band does that song? That's because they all do.

Can you give us some specific examples please?
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 05, 2010, 05:10:30 AM
No, Bush wasn't a grunge band.

This just in: neither was STP.

lol youngsters.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: wolfking on August 05, 2010, 05:15:55 AM
What ages do you classify as 'youngsters?'
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 05, 2010, 09:02:40 AM
What ages do you classify as 'youngsters?'
Anyone younger than yourself.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on August 05, 2010, 12:30:58 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: bosk1 on August 05, 2010, 12:39:18 PM
AiC, with Soundgarden close behind and no others even close to either.  AiC was heavy and had some of the best vocal harmonies ever done by anybody.  Add to that the fact that they could write a really good song.

I like the description of Soundgarden as the Sabbath of the '90s.  But their music was pretty diverse and was hit and miss with me.  Some of their stuff I really liked.  Other stuff...meh.

I liked Pearl Jam for Ten, and then lost interest after that.  Nothing else they have done grabbed me.  But I remember rushing out to buy Ten the day it came out after months of anticipation, and that album did not let me down. 

I don't like any of those other bands, or really any of the others loosely classified as "grunge."

AND TEMPLE OF THE DOG DON'T COUNT BECAUSE THEY WERE A SIDE PROJECT!  THAT'S CHEATING!
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on August 05, 2010, 12:41:44 PM
Seeing Alice In Chains live last night confirmed that they are an incredible band.
DEFINITELY the best ''grunge'' band.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 05, 2010, 06:57:09 PM
What ages do you classify as 'youngsters?'
For purposes of this thread - people not old enough to have been fans of grunge when it was being produced.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: wolfking on August 05, 2010, 07:15:31 PM
What ages do you classify as 'youngsters?'
For purposes of this thread - people not old enough to have been fans of grunge when it was being produced.

Oh okay, then I do not classify as one.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: bodiesinflight on August 06, 2010, 04:53:05 AM
1. Pearl Jam
2. Nirvana

3. Alice in Chains
4. Soundgarden























5. Stone Temple Pilots
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 06, 2010, 05:46:32 PM
No, Bush wasn't a grunge band.

This just in: neither was STP.

lol youngsters.
Yeah I know STP isn't really grunge (No. 4 is though), but like I said, I used the big five that are commonly referred to as grunge hence why grunge appears as 'grunge' in the poll question).

What ages do you classify as 'youngsters?'
For purposes of this thread - people not old enough to have been fans of grunge when it was being produced.
So I would be one  :yarr
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 06, 2010, 06:36:32 PM
No, Bush wasn't a grunge band.

This just in: neither was STP.

lol youngsters.
Yeah I know STP isn't really grunge (No. 4 is though), but like I said, I used the big five that are commonly referred to as grunge hence why grunge appears as 'grunge' in the poll question).
Since when is STP "commonly referred to as grunge"?  Back when all this was happening, they got a lot of flak for being "grunge imitators."  No one thought of them as grunge.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 07, 2010, 01:24:06 PM
No, Bush wasn't a grunge band.

This just in: neither was STP.

lol youngsters.
Yeah I know STP isn't really grunge (No. 4 is though), but like I said, I used the big five that are commonly referred to as grunge hence why grunge appears as 'grunge' in the poll question).
Since when is STP "commonly referred to as grunge"?  Back when all this was happening, they got a lot of flak for being "grunge imitators."  No one thought of them as grunge.
https://www.90srockers.com/top5.php
https://www.spirit-of-metal.com/liste_groupe-indexStyle-Grunge-l-en.html
https://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/listoftheday/128290/the-25-best-grunge-bands/

Stone Temple Pilots appears in all of those lists, plus they're listed as grunge on their Wikipedia page
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: 73109 on August 07, 2010, 01:45:30 PM
The way I look at it, they are right in between the grunge boom and the Post-Grunge boom. Call them what you want. If we are getting into Post-Grunge now, Creed is the best them!
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: nakedman on August 07, 2010, 01:48:55 PM
1- AiC
2-Peal Jam
3-Soundgarden
4-Failure
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 07, 2010, 03:14:37 PM
No, Bush wasn't a grunge band.

This just in: neither was STP.

lol youngsters.
Yeah I know STP isn't really grunge (No. 4 is though), but like I said, I used the big five that are commonly referred to as grunge hence why grunge appears as 'grunge' in the poll question).
Since when is STP "commonly referred to as grunge"?  Back when all this was happening, they got a lot of flak for being "grunge imitators."  No one thought of them as grunge.
https://www.90srockers.com/top5.php
https://www.spirit-of-metal.com/liste_groupe-indexStyle-Grunge-l-en.html
https://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/listoftheday/128290/the-25-best-grunge-bands/

Stone Temple Pilots appears in all of those lists, plus they're listed as grunge on their Wikipedia page
All of those lists are wrong, and I didn't see it on the Wikipedia page.  It calls them a "rock" band, and even mentions the shit they got for being "grunge imitators."

A lot of people group "alternative 90s" rock in with grunge, but that's not the way it was.  The grunge movement was very much a Seattle thing.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on August 07, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
IF this was '94  (Cause I thought they ALL faded after that) I would say "Band/Best Album"

1. Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger
2. Pearl Jam - Ten
3. STP - Core
4. AiC - Dirt

Nirvana wouldn't even make my list.....seriously the most overrated band ever IMHO.  I was recently watching "The 7 ages of Rock" on VH1, and was thoroughly disgusted that they spent the whole Alt/Grunge hour on Nirvana.

Honorable mentions too....

Mother Love Bone
Screaming Trees
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 07, 2010, 03:48:37 PM
No, Bush wasn't a grunge band.

This just in: neither was STP.

lol youngsters.
Yeah I know STP isn't really grunge (No. 4 is though), but like I said, I used the big five that are commonly referred to as grunge hence why grunge appears as 'grunge' in the poll question).
Since when is STP "commonly referred to as grunge"?  Back when all this was happening, they got a lot of flak for being "grunge imitators."  No one thought of them as grunge.
https://www.90srockers.com/top5.php
https://www.spirit-of-metal.com/liste_groupe-indexStyle-Grunge-l-en.html
https://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/listoftheday/128290/the-25-best-grunge-bands/

Stone Temple Pilots appears in all of those lists, plus they're listed as grunge on their Wikipedia page
All of those lists are wrong, and I didn't see it on the Wikipedia page.  It calls them a "rock" band, and even mentions the shit they got for being "grunge imitators."

A lot of people group "alternative 90s" rock in with grunge, but that's not the way it was.  The grunge movement was very much a Seattle thing.
Well the lists being wrong is your opinion when it comes to ranking (if that's what you're saying is wrong), and that's besides the point. The point is is that they're commonly referred to as grunge. I'm not arguing if they're grunge or not, I'm saying that they're commonly referred to as it, nor am I arguing the validity of the lists. Look under the picture on their Wikipedia page and you'll see grunge listed as one of their genres.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Gadough on August 07, 2010, 11:11:34 PM
Alice in Chains by a country mile. Pearl Jam is awesome too, but nowhere close to Alice.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 07, 2010, 11:44:05 PM
Stone Temple Pilots' Purple is probably my favorite STP record, at least at the moment.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 10, 2010, 06:34:20 PM
Soundgarden in HD @ Lollapalooza 2010 - Rusty Cage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0jxLyurCbU :metal

They are touring Australia in early 2011, so I'm assuming they'll tour the States sometime within the next year, so I am excite! :caffeine:

Active classic grunge bands to see:

Alice In Chains
Stone Temple Pilots (seeing next month)
Soundgarden (definitely seeing them when they come around next year)
Pearl Jam (might see next tour, whenever that'll be. Gotta get more of their stuff)
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: PixelDream on August 10, 2010, 06:49:53 PM
Pearl Jam
Soundgarden
Nirvana

Haven't heard enough STP and AIC (apart from their acoustic stuff) to judge.

And I really like Nevermind. It's just a good rock record filled with good songs. Nothing wrong with it.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 10, 2010, 07:41:04 PM
Soundgarden in HD @ Lollapalooza 2010 - Rusty Cage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0jxLyurCbU :metal

They are touring Australia in early 2011, so I'm assuming they'll tour the States sometime within the next year, so I am excite! :caffeine:
I... I really wish that I had been able to see them during Lolla.

Hopefully, I'll get a chance when they tour around here.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: ScioPath on August 10, 2010, 09:24:11 PM
Soundgarden  :heart
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: 73109 on August 10, 2010, 10:02:11 PM
Alice In Chains 2x
Stone Temple Pilots
Soundgarden
Pearl Jam x3

Sorry. I had to. :P
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 10, 2010, 10:23:06 PM
Alice In Chains 2x
Stone Temple Pilots
Soundgarden
Pearl Jam x3

Sorry. I had to. :P
YOU AND YOUR... YOUR... NUMBERS! >:(
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: 73109 on August 10, 2010, 10:23:58 PM
Love ya Birch! :heart
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Birch Boy on August 10, 2010, 10:25:40 PM
:-*
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2010, 11:31:33 AM
Honorable mentions too....

Mother Love Bone

:tup

(...but not really grunge)
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on December 30, 2010, 09:44:17 AM
Listened to In Utero twice today. Damn good album.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: jammindude on April 18, 2021, 03:22:28 PM
BUMP OF THE DECADE!!!!

Since my comment about grunge in the “bands you only love one album from” thread was off topic, I figured I would move it to the relevant thread.


Being at ground zero as it all went down...the difference between local mentality and national mentality on this never ceases to blow my mind.

Nevermind is really good, but I consider it to be their least work, and least representative of the Seattle sound. Bleach was a better representation....but Kurt was also nudged into the direction of other SubPop artists that were creating the buzz at the time. He ended up doing a great job of representing the Seattle sound, but it wasn’t really the album he wanted to make. In Utero IMO was Kurt’s masterpiece and the album he always wanted to make. It would have been easy to phone in another Nevermind, but he didn’t do that and I feel like the album is far better for it.

Mudhoney is still the greatest representation of what got everyone in the area buzzing and flocking to the clubs, and on the rare occasion they play a local show, it sells out so fast that it’s hard to get in. Heck...the lead singer invented the term grunge.

But at the end of the day, Soundgarden was always my personal favorite and could almost do no wrong. EDIT - but Soundgarden isn’t really grunge either...though they borrowed just enough of that “dirty” sound to definitely give themselves a Seattle flavor.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: jammindude on April 18, 2021, 03:26:03 PM
Additionally....if I could describe what it was ACTUALLY like in the Seattle grunge scene with just one single video...THIS is it. This is the sound that got kids buzzing. This is what it looked like in the clubs. And notice that all videos are time stamped pre-Nevermind.

https://youtu.be/_nGsT_qFMBs
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: HOF on April 18, 2021, 03:44:51 PM
Additionally....if I could describe what it was ACTUALLY like in the Seattle grunge scene with just one single video...THIS is it. This is the sound that got kids buzzing. This is what it looked like in the clubs. And notice that all videos are time stamped pre-Nevermind.

https://youtu.be/_nGsT_qFMBs

If you were around Seattle in those days, curious if you were familiar with Bam Bam/Tina Bell. I read this article about her recently, which dubbed her the Godmother of Grunge. Thought it was an interesting read at least. Apparently Kurt Cobain was a roadie for the band at one point. Matt Cameron was the original drummer too.

https://zora.medium.com/the-black-mother-of-grunge-who-inspired-nirvana-95886f21eccc
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: jammindude on April 18, 2021, 03:54:24 PM
Additionally....if I could describe what it was ACTUALLY like in the Seattle grunge scene with just one single video...THIS is it. This is the sound that got kids buzzing. This is what it looked like in the clubs. And notice that all videos are time stamped pre-Nevermind.

https://youtu.be/_nGsT_qFMBs

If you were around Seattle in those days, curious if you were familiar with Bam Bam/Tina Bell. I read this article about her recently, which dubbed her the Godmother of Grunge. Thought it was an interesting read at least. Apparently Kurt Cobain was a roadie for the band at one point. Matt Cameron was the original drummer too.

https://zora.medium.com/the-black-mother-of-grunge-who-inspired-nirvana-95886f21eccc

This is amazing.   No....I had not heard of them, and that is a shame.    I will say upfront that I was a kid in the suburbs when all of this was going down.   I knew more about what was going on than most of my peers did, just because I hung around record stores, and most of them didn't.   I was too young to go to clubs downtown because my parents were extremely conservative (though I did see Soundgarden headline the Louder than Love tour in Feb 1990 which was an AMAZING show).

Short version, I knew more about the scene than most other suburb kids...but not nearly as much as the city kids.     And to be honest, I probably appreciate the entire genre more now than I did then.   I liked it then (but was more into the growing thrash movement) but grew to love it later as I got to appreciate what a cultural shift it was, and how well it represented the disenchantment we were all feeling at the time.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: HOF on April 18, 2021, 04:23:58 PM
Additionally....if I could describe what it was ACTUALLY like in the Seattle grunge scene with just one single video...THIS is it. This is the sound that got kids buzzing. This is what it looked like in the clubs. And notice that all videos are time stamped pre-Nevermind.

https://youtu.be/_nGsT_qFMBs

If you were around Seattle in those days, curious if you were familiar with Bam Bam/Tina Bell. I read this article about her recently, which dubbed her the Godmother of Grunge. Thought it was an interesting read at least. Apparently Kurt Cobain was a roadie for the band at one point. Matt Cameron was the original drummer too.

https://zora.medium.com/the-black-mother-of-grunge-who-inspired-nirvana-95886f21eccc

This is amazing.   No....I had not heard of them, and that is a shame.    I will say upfront that I was a kid in the suburbs when all of this was going down.   I knew more about what was going on than most of my peers did, just because I hung around record stores, and most of them didn't.   I was too young to go to clubs downtown because my parents were extremely conservative (though I did see Soundgarden headline the Louder than Love tour in Feb 1990 which was an AMAZING show).

Short version, I knew more about the scene than most other suburb kids...but not nearly as much as the city kids.     And to be honest, I probably appreciate the entire genre more now than I did then.   I liked it then (but was more into the growing thrash movement) but grew to love it later as I got to appreciate what a cultural shift it was, and how well it represented the disenchantment we were all feeling at the time.

Gotcha. I had a similar experience with grunge. It was kind of my oldest brother’s thing at the time, and while I grew up liking a lot of it, it want “my” music so I kind of shied away from it until the late 2000s. I’m mostly just a fan of Pearl Jam from that scene, though I do like select stuff from AIC and Soundgarden. Never got into Nirvana at all really.

I do also really like The Smashing Pumpkins. Not Seattle based but came out of that Sub Pop scene.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Stadler on April 19, 2021, 12:02:49 PM
Even from day one - East Coast Day One, which was the release of "Ten" by Pearl Jam (about two weeks before Nevermind) - I always felt and still do that there was resentment - even if unspoken - towards Kurt Cobain, and while I would never go as far as to say it led to or even contributed to his suicide, some of his prickly and antisocial behavior was related to that "guilt" (in quotes because I can't guess what he was feeling; it could have been something else) for being the poster-boy for something he wasn't really a part of, not at it's core.   I'm not the hugest fan of Eddie Vedder now (preachy, much?) but I thought he handled it really well, being the newcomer and getting attention when guys like Mark Arm, and Andy Wood and Chris Cornell weren't.

It's why I have a special place in my heart for Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament, who were there at the beginning (Green River, who I actually do like a fair amount, even though Mother Love Bone is my favorite Seattle band by a long shot).
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: TAC on April 19, 2021, 12:07:20 PM
Stadler, I've read your post three times, and I'm not sure about something. When you mention "resent" and Kurt Cobain....what do you mean?
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: jammindude on April 19, 2021, 12:11:00 PM
I like PJ....but I guess I resent Vedder a bit for taking over the band. I forget if it was Stone or Jeff, but one of them said that somewhere around No Code or Yield, it was starting to come apart due to internal friction and they had to decide whether to break up or “become Eddie’s backing band”...they opted for the latter. He makes it sound as if it’s not very collaborative anymore.

I always felt AIC were grossly overrated (and I prefer Facelift over Dirt) what I’ve heard from the recent albums with the new lead singer has really impressed me, and I’m seriously wanting to pick up Rainier Fog.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Stadler on April 19, 2021, 12:23:16 PM
Stadler, I've read your post three times, and I'm not sure about something. When you mention "resent" and Kurt Cobain....what do you mean?

Well, and all this is a guess, because I wasn't there, but the vibe was always very collegial, very open.  There was never much of that "oh THAT music sucks" or "oh, we're better than THAT!".   Yeah, Soundgarden lampooned the hair metal dudes with "Big Dumb Sex", but they all sort of acknowledged their debt to Sabbath and Kiss and the metal that came before them.  There was always a sort of vibe with Cobain that he was better than everyone around him. 

The resentment comes in from that.  Cornell and Pearl Jam all appeared together in movies; Cornell lived with Andy Wood; AiC had Cornell and Mark Arm (Mudhoney, Green River) on their acoustic EP; when Andy died, they not only mourned him, the went in and made an entire friggin' record (Temple Of The Dog).   I could be wrong, but I got no real sense of deep remorse, of "losing one of our own" when Cobain died.  Other than Jason Everman, who played in each band for about 12 minutes each, there was no sharing of members or anything like that; Cobain/Nirvana were off on their own, and only really seemed to represent the grunge scene from a distance.   I think the people in Seattle are far too... sensitive to ever come out and say it, but I think any of those bands - MLB, PJ, SG, MH, AIC - would have preferred if one of the others in that group got the golden ring and not Nirvana.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: EPICVIEW on April 19, 2021, 12:25:10 PM
Im enjoying this thread
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Stadler on April 19, 2021, 12:26:54 PM
I like PJ....but I guess I resent Vedder a bit for taking over the band. I forget if it was Stone or Jeff, but one of them said that somewhere around No Code or Yield, it was starting to come apart due to internal friction and they had to decide whether to break up or “become Eddie’s backing band”...they opted for the latter. He makes it sound as if it’s not very collaborative anymore.

I always felt AIC were grossly overrated (and I prefer Facelift over Dirt) what I’ve heard from the recent albums with the new lead singer has really impressed me, and I’m seriously wanting to pick up Rainier Fog.

That was Stone, and he said it again in the "20" documentary (which is excellent, by the way).  The band started as Jeff and Stone's thing (Arm left Green River in part because he thought Gossard and Ament - in particular - were too "success" oriented) and they had a decision to make as you wrote.  It's no coincidence that while I have most of their albums, I much prefer the earlier stuff.  The debut is still my favorite.  The only latter day record that even comes close is Yield.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: TAC on April 19, 2021, 12:38:19 PM
I like PJ....but I guess I resent Vedder a bit for taking over the band. I forget if it was Stone or Jeff, but one of them said that somewhere around No Code or Yield, it was starting to come apart due to internal friction and they had to decide whether to break up or “become Eddie’s backing band”...they opted for the latter. He makes it sound as if it’s not very collaborative anymore.


I think when you have a singer that is so identifiable, that's just how it is. You've got the creative (Stone/Gossard) and the signature (Vedder).


Joe Perry in is extremely boring autobiography basically said the same in how Aerosmith goes. It's Tyler's show, and Perry knows it.

The tugging going on on GnR's UYI albums is the same thing.







Stadler, I've read your post three times, and I'm not sure about something. When you mention "resent" and Kurt Cobain....what do you mean?

Well, and all this is a guess, because I wasn't there, but the vibe was always very collegial, very open.  There was never much of that "oh THAT music sucks" or "oh, we're better than THAT!".   Yeah, Soundgarden lampooned the hair metal dudes with "Big Dumb Sex", but they all sort of acknowledged their debt to Sabbath and Kiss and the metal that came before them.  There was always a sort of vibe with Cobain that he was better than everyone around him. 

The resentment comes in from that.  Cornell and Pearl Jam all appeared together in movies; Cornell lived with Andy Wood; AiC had Cornell and Mark Arm (Mudhoney, Green River) on their acoustic EP; when Andy died, they not only mourned him, the went in and made an entire friggin' record (Temple Of The Dog).   I could be wrong, but I got no real sense of deep remorse, of "losing one of our own" when Cobain died.  Other than Jason Everman, who played in each band for about 12 minutes each, there was no sharing of members or anything like that; Cobain/Nirvana were off on their own, and only really seemed to represent the grunge scene from a distance.   I think the people in Seattle are far too... sensitive to ever come out and say it, but I think any of those bands - MLB, PJ, SG, MH, AIC - would have preferred if one of the others in that group got the golden ring and not Nirvana.


I just don't think Cobain represented what PJ and Soundgarden were all about. Those were rock bands, stripped down metal bands in style and look.

Cobain seemed more punkish, who just happened to break through with the right song at the right time. At least Cornell and the Pearl Jam guys persevered. Cobain just got lucky.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: WildRanger on April 19, 2021, 12:39:06 PM
AIC is undoubtedly my favorite grunge band. And Dirt is easily my favorite grunge album.

I would rank those 5 grunge bands:
1. AIC (fav album: Dirt)
2. Pearl Jam (fav album: Ten)
3. Soundgarden (fav album: Badmotorfinger)
4. Stone Temple Pilots (fav album: Purple)

5. Nirvana (fav album: Bleach)

Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Stadler on April 19, 2021, 12:59:35 PM
I like PJ....but I guess I resent Vedder a bit for taking over the band. I forget if it was Stone or Jeff, but one of them said that somewhere around No Code or Yield, it was starting to come apart due to internal friction and they had to decide whether to break up or “become Eddie’s backing band”...they opted for the latter. He makes it sound as if it’s not very collaborative anymore.

I always felt AIC were grossly overrated (and I prefer Facelift over Dirt) what I’ve heard from the recent albums with the new lead singer has really impressed me, and I’m seriously wanting to pick up Rainier Fog.

Rainer Fog may be my favorite AiC record, actually.  It's the best of the parts I like best about AiC (I love those droning dual vocals).   I'm glad I got to see them live (Jerry was right in front of me).
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: TAC on April 19, 2021, 01:05:52 PM
  I'm glad I got to see them live.


Me too.

July 6, 1991
Great Woods
Mansfield, Ma


(https://i.imgur.com/KWRsti2.jpg)[/b]
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: King Postwhore on April 19, 2021, 01:06:51 PM
Who they open for Tim?  I saw them open for Van Halen.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: TAC on April 19, 2021, 01:08:40 PM
Who they open for Tim?  I saw them open for Van Halen.

I also saw them open for Van Halen.

This was the Clash Of The Titans show.
Anthrax
Slayer
Megadeth
Alice In Chains
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: LudwigVan on April 19, 2021, 01:12:36 PM
I like PJ....but I guess I resent Vedder a bit for taking over the band. I forget if it was Stone or Jeff, but one of them said that somewhere around No Code or Yield, it was starting to come apart due to internal friction and they had to decide whether to break up or “become Eddie’s backing band”...they opted for the latter. He makes it sound as if it’s not very collaborative anymore.

I always felt AIC were grossly overrated (and I prefer Facelift over Dirt) what I’ve heard from the recent albums with the new lead singer has really impressed me, and I’m seriously wanting to pick up Rainier Fog.

Rainer Fog may be my favorite AiC record, actually.  It's the best of the parts I like best about AiC (I love those droning dual vocals).   I'm glad I got to see them live (Jerry was right in front of me).

I like the post-Layne Staley albums quite a bit, and Rainier Fog is a good one that's at least on par with Black Gives Way to Blue.

But for me, somehow the music is missing that extra snarl (yarl?), bite, edge, resonance... whatever you want to call it.... that you got with Staley on vocals.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: romdrums on April 19, 2021, 01:17:14 PM
Who they open for Tim?  I saw them open for Van Halen.

I also saw them open for Van Halen.

This was the Clash Of The Titans show.
Anthrax
Slayer
Megadeth
Alice In Chains

That must have been one hell of a show.   :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 19, 2021, 01:18:35 PM
  I also saw AiC open for Van Halen.  That was a hell of a tour.

AIC is undoubtedly my favorite grunge band. And Dirt is easily my favorite grunge album.

I would rank those 5 grunge bands:
1. AIC (fav album: Dirt)
2. Pearl Jam (fav album: Ten)
3. Soundgarden (fav album: Badmotorfinger)
4. Stone Temple Pilots (fav album: Purple)

5. Nirvana (fav album: Bleach)
STP wasn't really a grunge band.
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Post by: HOF on April 19, 2021, 01:42:46 PM
I like PJ....but I guess I resent Vedder a bit for taking over the band. I forget if it was Stone or Jeff, but one of them said that somewhere around No Code or Yield, it was starting to come apart due to internal friction and they had to decide whether to break up or “become Eddie’s backing band”...they opted for the latter. He makes it sound as if it’s not very collaborative anymore.

I always felt AIC were grossly overrated (and I prefer Facelift over Dirt) what I’ve heard from the recent albums with the new lead singer has really impressed me, and I’m seriously wanting to pick up Rainier Fog.

I do prefer the early Pearl Jam albums, although I like both No Code and Yield a lot too. Vs. was probably the high water mark for me. There are a few tracks I like from Binaural, and then I didn’t get a ton out of Riot Act or the self titled release. I did really like Backspacer, but by the time Lightning Bolt came around I was really getting back into prog and I haven’t ever checked that one out or Gigaton. I did hear some good things about Gigaton so maybe I should check it out.

Alice In Chains are a band where I like the radio stuff better than the album cuts. But I do really like Jar of Flies a lot.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: cfmoran13 on April 19, 2021, 02:05:36 PM
The one and only time I got to see AIC was opening for Ozzy on the 2nd leg of the No More Tours Tour in Norfolk, VA while in college.  It was Sepultura/AIC/Ozzy.  Layne performed in a wheelchair because he had broken his foot that summer.  How's this for a setlist:
Dam That River
We Die Young
Them Bones
Would?
Junkhead
God Smack
Put You Down
Sickman
It Ain't Like That
Angry Chair
Man In The Box

I only wish I had a better recollection of the show.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: cramx3 on April 19, 2021, 02:26:00 PM
Really never got into grunge so ranking these bands doesn't really make sense as I don't really like any of them.... besides AiC.  I don't love them, but I do like them and I think it's because they are a bit more metal.  I only saw them once on tour in 2018.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: cfmoran13 on April 19, 2021, 03:26:10 PM
I don't love them, but I do like them and I think it's because they are a bit more metal.
I'd definitely put AIC closer to metal, especially with Facelift.  And, not too far behind, Soundgarden.  Badmotorfinger is totally metal. 

AIC and Soundgarden are (IMO) head and shoulders above the other 3 vocally.  Between the harmonies of Layne and Jerry and Chris' abilities, the others don't really come close.

Rank   Band (Favorite Release)
1.       Alice In Chains (Facelift)
2.       Soundgarden (Badmotorfinger)

3.       Pearl Jam (Ten)


4.       Stone Temple Pilots (Purple)




5.       Nirvana (Nevermind)
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: HOF on April 19, 2021, 03:31:09 PM
I don't love them, but I do like them and I think it's because they are a bit more metal.
I'd definitely put AIC closer to metal, especially with Facelift.  And, not too far behind, Soundgarden.  Badmotorfinger is totally metal. 

AIC and Soundgarden are (IMO) head and shoulders above the other 3 vocally.  Between the harmonies of Layne and Jerry and Chris' abilities, the others don't really come close.

Rank   Band (Favorite Release)
1.       Alice In Chains (Facelift)
2.       Soundgarden (Badmotorfinger)

3.       Pearl Jam (Ten)


4.       Stone Temple Pilots (Purple)




5.       Nirvana (Nevermind)

What’s weird is I love the Temple of the Dog album and think Chris Cornell is an amazing singer, but I just don’t get a lot out of Soundgarden. Another band where I mostly just like the hits.
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Post by: cfmoran13 on April 19, 2021, 03:39:50 PM
What’s weird is I love the Temple of the Dog album and think Chris Cornell is an amazing singer, but I just don’t get a lot out of Soundgarden. Another band where I mostly just like the hits.
TOTD were an amazing band.  I was lucky enough to see them at MSG back in 2019 (I think?).  An absolutely phenomenal show.  As for Soundgarden, "Jesus Christ Pose" and "Birth Ritual" (from the 'Singles' soundtrack) are my absolute favorites (and, probably the most "metal" songs they ever did).  If they only released those two songs, their output as a band would be significantly better than the catalogs of so many other bands.
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Post by: Stadler on April 19, 2021, 06:20:02 PM
What’s weird is I love the Temple of the Dog album and think Chris Cornell is an amazing singer, but I just don’t get a lot out of Soundgarden. Another band where I mostly just like the hits.
TOTD were an amazing band.  I was lucky enough to see them at MSG back in 2019 (I think?).  An absolutely phenomenal show.  As for Soundgarden, "Jesus Christ Pose" and "Birth Ritual" (from the 'Singles' soundtrack) are my absolute favorites (and, probably the most "metal" songs they ever did).  If they only released those two songs, their output as a band would be significantly better than the catalogs of so many other bands.

BOOM!  I was at that show too; it was killer.   

It was also - for me - the difference between Soundgarden and Pearl Jam.  It's not the singer, it's the band.   I'm a HUGE fan of Stone Gossard; I think he blows Kim Thayil away. I think I just like the influences for Pearl Jam more; there's more Kiss/UFO in Pearl Jam.   Soundgarden are influenced by a lot of the same - John Lennon, Sabbath - but it comes out a lot weirder.   Harsher, more metallic (not METAL, but brittle, metallic.)
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: EPICVIEW on April 19, 2021, 06:25:44 PM
I love everything in this thread.... I agree with everyone...
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Post by: TAC on April 19, 2021, 06:28:55 PM
I love everything in this thread.... I agree with everyone...

No you don't. You didn't read closely enough. :lol
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Post by: WildRanger on April 20, 2021, 01:48:14 AM
Jerry Cantrell is easily the best grunge guitarist.
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Post by: cfmoran13 on April 20, 2021, 07:49:54 AM
Jerry Cantrell is easily the best grunge guitarist.
I love his solo albums.  Degradation Trips 1 & 2 are definitely a lot darker than Boggy Depot, but equally killer.  I've heard he's working on a new one now.   :metal
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: cfmoran13 on April 20, 2021, 07:53:09 AM
It was also - for me - the difference between Soundgarden and Pearl Jam.  It's not the singer, it's the band.   I'm a HUGE fan of Stone Gossard; I think he blows Kim Thayil away. I think I just like the influences for Pearl Jam more; there's more Kiss/UFO in Pearl Jam.   Soundgarden are influenced by a lot of the same - John Lennon, Sabbath - but it comes out a lot weirder.   Harsher, more metallic (not METAL, but brittle, metallic.)
Yeah, the two BANDS are definitely different.  I totally agree.  Soundgarden is Sabbath's bastard child.  And, as you said, more Kiss/UFO in PJ.  Their song compositions are totally different.  TOTD was the best of both worlds - PJ's songs and SG's voice.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: HOF on April 15, 2022, 09:21:10 AM
Seen on the Twitters today:

"Grunge Frasier"

https://twitter.com/okjonblair/status/1514678421216972800?s=20&t=ZGfBHQCRo00Op3pfwHTx4w

 :lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 15, 2022, 11:50:44 AM
I enjoy AIC, PJ and Soundgarden but for me Nirvanas music made more impact on me than any of the other bands during my teens. Dosen't matter if the other bands made more quality music or whatever. They defined the 90s and grunge for me.
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Post by: jammindude on April 15, 2022, 01:44:32 PM
Seen on the Twitters today:

"Grunge Frasier"

https://twitter.com/okjonblair/status/1514678421216972800?s=20&t=ZGfBHQCRo00Op3pfwHTx4w

 :lol

 :rollin :rollin
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Post by: King Postwhore on April 15, 2022, 02:15:39 PM
 :lol

That was fantastic. Lol
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Spider In The Sky on April 16, 2022, 10:03:09 PM
Soundgarden for me. They've got that extra cool factor of Kim Thayil's mysterious brooding guitar freak-outs and Chris Cornell's beautiful twisted songwriting (both lyrically and musically).  Plus Matt Cameron is the best drummer of any of these bands (Peal Jam would probably agree! lol).  And it's those proggy time signatures and weird tunings too that satisfy my more technical side.

After that probably Pearl Jam, mainly because Eddie Vedder really is just that great of a singer and often enough that great of a songwriter too.

Then would come Nirvana, who I used to dislike until I got over my prejudice about them "killing classic rock" or something, but still view them with a dash of "well they weren't all that." Very tight, idiosyncratic songs from Kurt, and Grohl and Novoselic were not a rhythm section to be trifled with by anyone.
...at the end of the day I vastly prefer the Foo Fighters though.

Then we have Alice In Chains, who honestly scare me a bit with they're darkness and gritty, addiction addled despair. On one hand, I think they're fantastic musicians and songwriters and have at least one masterpiece of an album in Dirt. On the other, they're not anything to be listened to lightly (which you could say about most of these bands, really, but it's especially true of AIC).

And last but not for much of a reason other than underexposure, STP.  I'm not the hugest fan of their "big" album Core, though I do dig the hits. But after hearing Tiny Music From The Vatican Gift Shop, I realized these guys had a lot more versatility than they were given credit for when Plush hit it big.  They almost sound brit-pop on that album, and I really enjoyed their 2018 album as well. So a really underappreciated band, but I think it's because they usually only get talked about in relation to the four giants I myself have placed above them. Oh well.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: jammindude on April 16, 2022, 10:10:06 PM
Y’all really need more Mudhoney in your lives.  ;D
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Post by: Spider In The Sky on April 16, 2022, 10:17:13 PM
Y’all really need more Mudhoney in your lives.  ;D

I got the Superfuzz Big Muff EP recently! Very good stuff. Sits nicely alongside some SG or Nirvana in that scuzzier more hardcore side of things.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Harmony on May 15, 2022, 05:19:56 PM
Wasn't sure where to post this but this is pretty f-ing cool.  Imagine being this young man!  I bet he's a lot more popular at school tomorrow.   :laugh:


https://people.com/music/local-teen-saves-pearl-jam-concert-after-drummer-gets-covid-video/
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Post by: Cool Chris on May 15, 2022, 06:09:41 PM
Cool indeed, but not as impressive as jumping on stage to fill in on the spot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scot_Halpin
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Post by: Harmony on May 15, 2022, 06:12:12 PM
LoL - both are pretty cool.  I imagine Moon's shoes were a bit bigger to fill....
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Post by: HOF on May 15, 2022, 06:14:55 PM
Wasn't sure where to post this but this is pretty f-ing cool.  Imagine being this young man!  I bet he's a lot more popular at school tomorrow.   :laugh:


https://people.com/music/local-teen-saves-pearl-jam-concert-after-drummer-gets-covid-video/

That is amazing!
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Post by: Harmony on May 15, 2022, 06:17:46 PM
So I read up a bit more on Scott Halpin and ran across this.  Speaking of cool...Pete Townshend for the win.

Quote
Scott Halpin went on to get married, manage a rock club, play in several groups and become composer-in-residence at the Headlands Centre For The Arts in Sausalito, California. He rarely played drums, preferring the guitar. Sadly, he died of a brain tumour in 2008, aged just 54.

On a whim, Halpin’s wife Robyn wrote to Pete Townshend’s office to tell him her husband had passed away. But she was astonished when Townshend replied with a message to be read out at Halpin’s memorial.

“Scott is often in my mind and always with the greatest gratitude and affection,” Townshend wrote. “He showed such youthful courage and humour standing in for Keith Moon that fateful day. Scott played so well too… He played drums brilliantly, smiled and went home…

“I measure my life by great and good people I have occasionally met,” he said finally. “Scott is one of the great and good ones. I worked that out in 30 minutes. That must surely say something about the man.”
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Post by: Stadler on May 18, 2022, 07:40:25 AM
I found this part of the Wiki article...  I don't know what; amusing?  Worrisome? Telling?:

"Halpin was given a small shot of brandy for his nerves before taking his place behind his first drumset since leaving Iowa."

(Moon passed out from mixing ketamine and brandy.)

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Post by: WardySI on April 17, 2023, 04:55:26 PM
Didn't know where to post this as couldn't find an official Soundgarden thread sorry if should be elsewhere...

Soundgarden fans will be happy to know we may be a step closer to hearing these final tunes (RIP Chris).

“The reconciliation marks a new partnership between the two parties, which will allow Soundgarden fans around the world to hear the final songs that the band and Chris were working on...

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/soundgarden-chris-cornell-widow-settle-lawsuit-final-recordings-1234710236/amp/
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Post by: Duetsch Dream Dates on April 17, 2023, 07:47:08 PM
Didn't know where to post this as couldn't find an official Soundgarden thread sorry if should be elsewhere...

Soundgarden fans will be happy to know we may be a step closer to hearing these final tunes (RIP Chris).


That's awesome.  I've been on a huge AIC/soundgarden kick lately.  I didn't realize that Chris Cornell's first wife, Susan Silver, was the longtime manager of Alice in Chains.

I cam across this heart-wrenching performance of 'Black Gives Way to Blue' by Chris Cornell's daughter (with Chris DeGarmo) from an award ceremony for AIC back in 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAqS_c56TLE
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: jammindude on April 17, 2023, 07:56:24 PM
Soundgarden to me was always the first and best of the Seattle Big 4.

I had Ultramega OK on cassette from the day it came out. Liked it a lot. But totally freaked out over Louder Than Love (first major label release by any of the big 4 IIRC). I listened to that album front to back non-stop for months and I still consider that to be my all time favorite “Seattle sound” album. (I hesitate to call it “grunge”, although I know that’s what people commonly know it as).

Sadly, I didn’t continue to follow any of the Seattle bands after they broke nationwide. But I’ve gone back and visited later material, and while I still think BMF is a bit overrated, I have absolutely fallen in love with Superunknown.  Really sorry I didn’t pick up on that album when it first landed. But better late than never, I suppose.

Still never heard King Animal. But I’m excited to hear the new stuff.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: WardySI on April 18, 2023, 06:15:23 PM
Fer sure King Animal wasn't up to their past glories but certainly contained some stellar material. 

Love BMF but yes Superuknown remains a Top10'er fer my ears.  Hadn't heard a note of theirs until then new single My Wave came over speakers at my local gym and was hooked. Louder Than Love came later for me and would now listen to it as much as any Soundgarden these days (Ugly Truth rules!). 

All that said I have an absolute love for Down On The Upside. Did then back in 96 and even moreso now. While it was evident Chris' venture towards more pop and ballads etc was in full swing, those and much of the album was IMO some of his/their best material.  Still rate Pretty Noose very highly and songs such as Switch Opens and Overfloater too often overlooked. 

Splendid stuff and will add Tighter And Tighter is quite possibly one of Cornell's finest achievements IMO!  Just sayin'  ;)

Anyway needless to say these yet to be released songs are high on my wishlist \m/


Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: wolfking on April 18, 2023, 07:31:23 PM
Fer sure King Animal wasn't up to their past glories but certainly contained some stellar material. 

Love BMF but yes Superuknown remains a Top10'er fer my ears.  Hadn't heard a note of theirs until then new single My Wave came over speakers at my local gym and was hooked. Louder Than Love came later for me and would now listen to it as much as any Soundgarden these days (Ugly Truth rules!). 

All that said I have an absolute love for Down On The Upside. Did then back in 96 and even moreso now. While it was evident Chris' venture towards more pop and ballads etc was in full swing, those and much of the album was IMO some of his/their best material.  Still rate Pretty Noose very highly and songs such as Switch Opens and Overfloater too often overlooked. 

Splendid stuff and will add Tighter And Tighter is quite possibly one of Cornell's finest achievements IMO!  Just sayin'  ;)


Anyway needless to say these yet to be released songs are high on my wishlist \m/

My go to Soundgarden album.  I was obsessed with it back in the day, Tighter and Tighter, top 3 Soundgarden song.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Glasser on April 18, 2023, 09:31:27 PM
AiC, with Soundgarden close behind and no others even close to either.  AiC was heavy and had some of the best vocal harmonies ever done by anybody.  Add to that the fact that they could write a really good song.

I like the description of Soundgarden as the Sabbath of the '90s.  But their music was pretty diverse and was hit and miss with me.  Some of their stuff I really liked.  Other stuff...meh.

I liked Pearl Jam for Ten, and then lost interest after that.  Nothing else they have done grabbed me.  But I remember rushing out to buy Ten the day it came out after months of anticipation, and that album did not let me down. 

I don't like any of those other bands, or really any of the others loosely classified as "grunge."

AND TEMPLE OF THE DOG DON'T COUNT BECAUSE THEY WERE A SIDE PROJECT!  THAT'S CHEATING!

How about Mad Season? "Above" is a great album.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Glasser on April 18, 2023, 09:35:32 PM
TEMPLE OF THE DOG
Them and Mad Season were the two next most well-known that I left off because I wanted to stick with the big five, so to speak.

Mad Season "Above" is a kick ass album.
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Post by: HOF on April 18, 2023, 09:46:18 PM
TEMPLE OF THE DOG
Them and Mad Season were the two next most well-known that I left off because I wanted to stick with the big five, so to speak.

Mad Season "Above" is a kick ass album.

Both are good. Temple Of The Dog might be my favorite grunge album (maybe behind Pearl Jam Vs.)
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: wolfking on April 18, 2023, 11:43:14 PM
What about Mad Season, Above.  I heard it's a kick ass album.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Stadler on April 19, 2023, 09:46:04 AM
Mad Season, "Above", is a kick ass album.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 19, 2023, 11:20:50 AM
But did you ever hear about Mad Season's album, Above?

THAT, my friends, is how you make a kick ass album.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Glasser on April 19, 2023, 01:44:53 PM
DT is doing it live start to finish. A Change Of Mad Seasons "Above Kick Ass".  :biggrin:
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Post by: wolfking on April 19, 2023, 04:27:18 PM
 :lol
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Post by: ReaperKK on April 19, 2023, 08:54:43 PM
It's wild how times have changed since I initially voted in this poll. AiC would absolutory be my choice now.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: jammindude on April 19, 2023, 10:22:25 PM
I just find the results surprising because while AIC does have great riffs and catchy songs, Soundgarden is by far the most “prog” of all the grunge bands.  Ever since I discovered Rush at 12 years old, I was immediately drawn to the rock bands that gravitated toward more unusual time signatures and off-kilter rhythms.  That’s the main reason Soundgarden sets themselves apart from the pack. Alice In Chains, being much more straightforward and admittedly great songwriters, strike me more as the AC/DC of the bunch.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 20, 2023, 07:20:55 AM
I just find the results surprising because while AIC does have great riffs and catchy songs, Soundgarden is by far the most “prog” of all the grunge bands.  Ever since I discovered Rush at 12 years old, I was immediately drawn to the rock bands that gravitated toward more unusual time signatures and off-kilter rhythms.  That’s the main reason Soundgarden sets themselves apart from the pack. Alice In Chains, being much more straightforward and admittedly great songwriters, strike me more as the AC/DC of the bunch.
That's an odd comparison, since AIC's songs and albums don't all sound the same, like AC/DC.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: HOF on April 20, 2023, 08:10:24 AM
I just find the results surprising because while AIC does have great riffs and catchy songs, Soundgarden is by far the most “prog” of all the grunge bands.  Ever since I discovered Rush at 12 years old, I was immediately drawn to the rock bands that gravitated toward more unusual time signatures and off-kilter rhythms.  That’s the main reason Soundgarden sets themselves apart from the pack. Alice In Chains, being much more straightforward and admittedly great songwriters, strike me more as the AC/DC of the bunch.
That's an odd comparison, since AIC's songs and albums don't all sound the same, like AC/DC.

Yeah, if there was an AC/DC of the group I’d say it’s Nirvana, but I wouldn’t say any of them were much like AC/DC in sound, style, or spirit.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: jammindude on April 20, 2023, 09:37:57 AM
Huh. I guess to me, even more so than Nirvana, AIC was the most “samey” of the bunch.

I did finally listen to Rainier Fog. Pretty good album. I was surprised how much it sounded exactly like their older stuff. To the point that if I didn’t know better, I’d swear Layne never died.
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Post by: Samsara on April 20, 2023, 09:51:03 AM
I'm glad the songs will be released. My favorite two bands from that era are Soundgarden and Alice in Chains.

I never got to see them, but saw Cornell solo (on his Carry On tour, which featured a ton of SG material), and I was lucky to see Temple of the Dog. Always bummed I never got to see SG. It just wasn't in the cards. As for Alice, still a favorite. Rainer Fog was a great record. They recorded the last show in Seattle, I guess with thoughts of releasing it, but it hasn't yet been announced. It was a great show. Had a few friends there. An aside - Chris DeGarmo and his daughter (known as "The Rue") were an unannounced first act to that show. DeGarmo, as some may know, played the acoustic guitar (the long solo-ish interlude section) on "Drone." He didn't want a credit on the album, but Jerry Cantrell mentioned it numerous times in the media.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: soupytwist on April 21, 2023, 03:38:05 AM
No love for The Screaming Trees?  There final (proper) two releases with 'Sweet Oblivion' in 92 and 'Dust' in 96 are great albums.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Glasser on April 21, 2023, 10:53:54 AM
I saw Alice In Chains open for Van Halen, amazing show.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 21, 2023, 11:15:30 AM
I saw Alice In Chains open for Van Halen, amazing show.
So did I!
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: WardySI on April 21, 2023, 06:40:17 PM
No love for The Screaming Trees?  There final (proper) two releases with 'Sweet Oblivion' in 92 and 'Dust' in 96 are great albums.

Lots love here, both sensational albums.

We had a radio station here back when that supported all these so-called alternative bands that they often grouped together a heap of particular singles like a playlist. 

We got Pretty Noose, All I Know, and our local acts Powderfinger's Pick You Up or something from Silverchair heck think they were still playing Screaming Jets' Sad Song too during this time...

Anyway back when radio still played good shit good times and loved that Screaming Trees stuff.  Dust and Down On The Upside the last good releases at the end of that era \m/
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on April 21, 2023, 08:53:30 PM
I just find the results surprising because while AIC does have great riffs and catchy songs, Soundgarden is by far the most “prog” of all the grunge bands.  Ever since I discovered Rush at 12 years old, I was immediately drawn to the rock bands that gravitated toward more unusual time signatures and off-kilter rhythms.  That’s the main reason Soundgarden sets themselves apart from the pack. Alice In Chains, being much more straightforward and admittedly great songwriters, strike me more as the AC/DC of the bunch.

I don't see this at all.  Just take a quick example of "We Die Young", "Rooster", "No Excuses", "I Know Somethin' ('Bout You)" and "Black Gives Way To Blue".  That's a pretty wide selection of variety for a mainstream band, and I'm sure I could expand it if I went back through their discography looking for more.  That's a far cry from AC/DC.  Maybe you could argue that Soundgarden is proggier (although AIC has their own moments, just check the time signature of the main riff of "Them Bones"), but AIC is arguably more metal, so I think it's understandable why it would appeal to a segment of DT's fanbase.  Cornell is the best vocalist of the big grunge bands, but Layne is pretty good as well, and honestly none of them come close to Jerry's writing, riffing, or soloing for me.  Add in some great drumming, tasty bass lines, and Jerry's iconic harmony vocals, and it's not a hard decision for me personally. 
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: HOF on April 21, 2023, 09:01:20 PM
I just find the results surprising because while AIC does have great riffs and catchy songs, Soundgarden is by far the most “prog” of all the grunge bands.  Ever since I discovered Rush at 12 years old, I was immediately drawn to the rock bands that gravitated toward more unusual time signatures and off-kilter rhythms.  That’s the main reason Soundgarden sets themselves apart from the pack. Alice In Chains, being much more straightforward and admittedly great songwriters, strike me more as the AC/DC of the bunch.

I don't see this at all.  Just take a quick example of "We Die Young", "Rooster", "No Excuses", "I Know Somethin' ('Bout You)" and "Black Gives Way To Blue".  That's a pretty wide selection of variety for a mainstream band, and I'm sure I could expand it if I went back through their discography looking for more.  That's a far cry from AC/DC.  Maybe you could argue that Soundgarden is proggier (although AIC has their own moments, just check the time signature of the main riff of "Them Bones"), but AIC is arguably more metal, so I think it's understandable why it would appeal to a segment of DT's fanbase.  Cornell is the best vocalist of the big grunge bands, but Layne is pretty good as well, and honestly none of them come close to Jerry's writing, riffing, or soloing for me.  Add in some great drumming, tasty bass lines, and Jerry's iconic harmony vocals, and it's not a hard decision for me personally.

The Jar of Flies EP pretty much shatters any comparison to AC/DC.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: Zantera on April 22, 2023, 12:24:59 AM
I love AiC but I can see both sides of the argument. AiC definitely has more variety (and imo quality) to their discography than AC/DC, but I also get someone saying they are the most 'samey' out of these bands in this small group. Soundgarden has a pretty interesting mix of styles in their toolbox and they probably made the most interesting albums in terms of different influences, Pearl Jam evolved their sound over decades and have done many different things at this point. Alice in Chains kinda have their sound nailed down and that's what they do.

But I love all 3 of them.
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Post by: jammindude on April 22, 2023, 12:40:55 AM
I love AiC but I can see both sides of the argument. AiC definitely has more variety (and imo quality) to their discography than AC/DC, but I also get someone saying they are the most 'samey' out of these bands in this small group. Soundgarden has a pretty interesting mix of styles in their toolbox and they probably made the most interesting albums in terms of different influences, Pearl Jam evolved their sound over decades and have done many different things at this point. Alice in Chains kinda have their sound nailed down and that's what they do.

But I love all 3 of them.

Thanks Zantera. You kind of nailed down what I was going for.  I was just drawing a comparison, but I will concede they do have at least the heavy side and the acoustic side. Nevertheless, they don’t deviate as much as the others do.  They found their “shtick” and they do it well.
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Post by: ReaperKK on April 23, 2023, 07:40:11 AM
I saw Alice In Chains open for Van Halen, amazing show.
So did I!

Not sure if it if was the same tour but on the ICON's video Jerry talks a bit about going on tour with VH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT9pwCFMz0k
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Post by: King Postwhore on April 23, 2023, 08:12:38 AM
I saw Alice In Chains open for Van Halen, amazing show.
So did I!

As did I. The F.U.C.K. tour.
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Post by: Glasser on April 23, 2023, 10:59:04 AM
I saw Alice In Chains open for Van Halen, amazing show.
So did I!

As did I. The F.U.C.K. tour.

After AIC set. A dude with long blonde hair and an all access pass around his neck sat next to me. It was in the lower part of the nosebleed section. It was Jerry Cantrell. He watched a few songs of the VH set there.
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Post by: King Postwhore on April 23, 2023, 11:26:17 AM
That's awesome!
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Post by: Kwyjibo on April 23, 2023, 11:37:52 AM
I love AiC but I can see both sides of the argument. AiC definitely has more variety (and imo quality) to their discography than AC/DC, but I also get someone saying they are the most 'samey' out of these bands in this small group. Soundgarden has a pretty interesting mix of styles in their toolbox and they probably made the most interesting albums in terms of different influences, Pearl Jam evolved their sound over decades and have done many different things at this point. Alice in Chains kinda have their sound nailed down and that's what they do.

But I love all 3 of them.

Thanks Zantera. You kind of nailed down what I was going for.  I was just drawing a comparison, but I will concede they do have at least the heavy side and the acoustic side. Nevertheless, they don’t deviate as much as the others do.  They found their “shtick” and they do it well.

Funny how people hear music. I agree that Alice In Chains don't have that much variation in their records after Layne's death. They have a working formular and they stick to it mostly. But before that they were far from sounding samey imo.

But then, although I really like Soundgarden, I found them to be much more samey in their sound.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 24, 2023, 10:00:02 AM
I saw Alice In Chains open for Van Halen, amazing show.
So did I!

As did I. The F.U.C.K. tour.

After AIC set. A dude with long blonde hair and an all access pass around his neck sat next to me. It was in the lower part of the nosebleed section. It was Jerry Cantrell. He watched a few songs of the VH set there.
Can't top that.

And while I never did a deep dive on Soundgarden like I did with AIC or PJ, they always felt a lot more "samey" to me than AIC, for sure.  With their single releases, at any rate.
Title: Re: Grunge Discussion (Poll as well)
Post by: ZirconBlue on April 25, 2023, 08:59:04 AM
I saw Alice in Chains opening for Ozzy.  Layne had a broken leg, so was in a wheelchair or using a crutch for the whole performance. 
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