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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Birch Boy on August 02, 2010, 08:22:50 PM
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What is your favorite grunge band? I know 'grunge' is used loosely here, because much of the material by theses bands may be argued as not grunge, but for all intensive purposes, I'll use the big five that are often referred to as grunge.
My ranking would go like this, with spaces to represent bigger gaps in preference:
1. Alice In Chains
2. Stone Temple Pilots
3. Pearl Jam
4. Soundgarden
5. Nirvana
Discuss
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PJ followed closely by AiC. I like more AiC songs but the PJ songs, I like more, if that makes any sense. Both great. PJ is one of the best live acts out there and the music really speaks.
STP is good from the hits I know. Soundgarden is not my thing actually. Nirvana sucks.
Because this is a discussion, I have to ask, what is the best grunge album? I have to say either Vs. or Dirt.
Oh, and no good grunge can not have this:
RIP Layne and RIP Kurt (he might not have made the best music but he was a genious)
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My favorite album by a 'grunge' band (reason I saw this is because most of their albums wouldn't be considered grunge) would probably be Dirt. I'm listening to Stone Temple Pilots' Purple right now. Man it's good. Pearl Jam's Ten is also really good too.
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1. Stone Temple Pilots
2. Alice In Chains
3. Pearl Jam
4. Soundgarden
Can I leave Nirvana off? ;D
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I gotta say though. Kurt was an amazing dude. The music wasn't the best but the dude really GOT it. He got what it was all about man. It reminds me of what The Who did in the 60's and 70's. He just understood.
/teenager
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Alice In Chains
Soundgarden
Stone Temple Pilots
Pearl Jam
Nirvana
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I think we can all agree that Nirvana is the worst grunge band. To be fair, I've only heard one album each by Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and Soundgarden (but have more on my computer that I'll eventually listen to). I have every Alice In Chains album, love them all, in my top five favorite bands ever. Stone Temple Pilots, I've heard all but two of their records (one of them I have on my computer, probably listen to it tomorrow night), and all of them are uniquely different, and all awesome.
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I gotta say though. Kurt was an amazing dude. The music wasn't the best but the dude really GOT it. He got what it was all about man. It reminds me of what The Who did in the 60's and 70's. He just understood.
/teenager
He stuck a nerve at the time when people were looking for something different. It was the angst in his voice and music that pulled a new generation in. For me. I like a few songs but gravitated to STP, AIC, PJ and SG. I liked the darker harmonies of AIC. STP old school rock meets new sound, PJ's sound to me was very unique and Ed's lyrics were intense. SG was Black Sabbath of the 90's and I just dug it.
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Birch:
Listen to PJ man. They are by far the most "out there" band of the 5, but it is great. It folky, psychedelic, acousticy. Just amazing. You really gotta check it out there.
Listen to Bugs :lol
Exactly King. He basically started a generation. What he did really was amazing. Sorry. I'm weird.
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Considering the fact that most if not all grunge is utter shit, AiC is the best them.
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lolquad
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lolquad
This, oh this
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Alice in Chains by far, followed by Soundgarden, STP (Gotta hear more of them, though), Pearl Jam, TEMPLE OF THE DOG, and in the last place, Nirvana.
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Awake-era Dream Theater. So much grunge :neverusethis:
Serious answer: Pearl Jam and Soundgarden are my favorites. AiC is just below them.
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TEMPLE OF THE DOG
Them and Mad Season were the two next most well-known that I left off because I wanted to stick with the big five, so to speak.
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Alice in Chains is the only one I've really liked. But hell AiC is borderline metal as far as I'm concerned.
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Alice in Chains is the only one I've really liked. But hell AiC is borderline metal as far as I'm concerned.
That's why they're the best of the "grunge" bands listed in this poll of otherwise terrible bands.
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Alice in Chains is the only one I've really liked. But hell AiC is borderline metal as far as I'm concerned.
I agree, hence why I like them the best.
Alice in Chains is the only one I've really liked. But hell AiC is borderline metal as far as I'm concerned.
That's why they're the best of the "grunge" bands listed in this poll of otherwise terrible bands.
Um, no.
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The poll says otherwise, bro.
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Alice in Chains (early stuff)
Soundgarden
Everything else.
I dunno, I feel like I need to listen to Soundgarden more though, they might be better.
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This is a real tough one for me.....
All released some great albums.
Alice in Chains/Pearl Jam/Soundgarden I can't decide between these 3...depends on my mood at the time ...I played the shit out of Dirt/Ten/Vs./Badmotorfinger/Superunknown
Nirvana
STP...were far too poppy for my tastes
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I think we can all agree that Nirvana is the worst grunge band.
You do realise there were more than five grunge bands, right?
And even from those five, Nirvana destroys STP.
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The poll says otherwise, bro.
I agree that they're the best (as I've stated multiple times), but all the other bands are certainly not shit. I wouldn't even call Nirvana that.
I think we can all agree that Nirvana is the worst grunge band.
You do realise there were more than five grunge bands, right?
And even from those five, Nirvana destroys STP.
Yes I realize there are more than five. As I said in the OP (or one of my posts on here), I decided to stick with the big five, acknowledging that I left out Temple Of The Dog and Mad Season, among others.
And Stone Temple Pilots >>> Nirvana (from what I've heard though, which is only one album, but as of now, that's my opinion, although I don't see me ever liking Nirvana more than STP).
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Pearl Jam's the only band on this list I like (if only a little bit - Alice In Chains and Soundgarden I respect, but I don't care for their music), so them. Temple of the Dog and Mad Season both top everything on here.
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Mad Season has some incredible tracks, some good ones and some not so good ones.
I really need to hear Temple of the Dog.
And Stone Temple Pilots >>> Nirvana (from what I've heard though, which is only one album, but as of now, that's my opinion, although I don't see me ever liking Nirvana more than STP).
This really says it all. There's probably more variety between Nirvana's three studio albums than any other grunge band achieved.
STP are an okay Best Of band to me. As in, even their Best Of is just okay. Nirvana's albums are all at least pretty good. Well, except for Unplugged.
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Nice to see some discussion of this type of music (which I love). This whole genre was an integral part of my high school musical experience and will thus always be memorable to me. However, I don't really separate "grunge" out from the larger "alternative" umbrella of the 90's, where you had other popular bands like Live, Offspring, Oasis, Better Than Ezra, Collective Soul, etc.
Of the five you listed, it's really a tough call -- my answer might vary upon the day you asked me. The best overall album, I think, is Soundgarden's Superunknown, though that gets some competition probably from the first three Pearl Jam albums. AIC, as much as I love them, never put out an album I found to be consistently stellar throughout. I feel much the same way about STP and Nirvana; both did a lot of great songs, but none of their albums completely hooked me as albums.
All this lolnirvana stuff I really don't get. You don't like his music, fine, but I think he at least had a recognizable artistic respectability. I liked a lot of his music, as well as his word-play with lyrics -- but to each his own, I guess.
Getting back to the larger alternative scene, my favorite album would probably be either Oasis' (What's The Story) Morning Glory? or Weezer's debut album. Unless you'd like to get really obscure, and then Sunny Day Real Estate's Diary probably trumps them all.
My favorite band in the alternative genre? I'll have to give that some more thought; it's a very difficult question.
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I happen to like Nirvana the most out of all these bands, but they're also who I've heard the most of. All I've heard of the others are basically the singles, and while some of them are certainly awesome (like Spoonman) they didn't really stand out much.
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I was never a fan of grunge except Alice in Chains, half of Pearl Jam's Ten, a select few Soundgarden songs and one STP song. I hated STP and Nirvana when I was little. I used to own all of AiC's albums but soon realized most of it wasn't that interesting. Even Facelift (which I still own) has some stinkers. Jar of Flies is a great EP. If I never hear STP, Soundgarden and Nirvana again, it wouldn't phase me one bit.
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I was never a fan of grunge except Alice in Chains, half of Pearl Jam's Ten, a select few Soundgarden songs and one STP song. I hated STP and Nirvana when I was little. I used to own all of AiC's albums but soon realized most of it wasn't that interesting. Even Facelift (which I still own) has some stinkers. Jar of Flies is a great EP. If I never hear STP, Soundgarden and Nirvana again, it wouldn't phase me one bit.
Agree with most of this.
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I love Alice in Chains and saw them in April, like Soundgarden, don't care about the rest.
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1. Alice in Chains
2. Soundgarden
3. Pearl Jam
4. Stone Temple Pilots
5. Nirvana
Alice in Chains are probably my second favorite band of all-time (behind Kansas), and Soundgarden are great as well. I'm also a big fan of Temple of the Dog and Mad Season. With Pearl Jam, I like Ten a lot, but besides that, they're nothing special.
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Haven't seen anyone throw out the name Screaming Trees yet. Both Sweet Oblivion and Dust are good albums. Mark Lanegan's vocals are fantastic.
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Pearl Jam, Bush and Soundgarden for me.
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I'm not really fans of any of these bands, but to me, Pearl Jam is cleary the best. They transended the whole era. Similar to Dream Theater, Pearl Jam is the perfact band to follow as a fan. Great albums and an even greater live experience, with long shows and rotating setlists, not to mention the mountain of live albums.
I am amazed at the following of AiC and that they were able to sustain an arena tour this year. I bought their first album and thought it was just recycled Armored Saint. I couldn't get into their second one.
And a lot of you forget just how popular Nirvana was. The eyes of the rock world were glued to them for about 3 years.
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1. Alice in Chains
2. Pearl jam
3. Soundgarden
4. Nirvana
5.STP
Yes I like nirvana.
Don't judge me
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Bush.
I didn't follow them much after the first 2, but Sixteen Stone is a grunge classic: at least 5 singles off that album.
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SWALLOWED
FOLLOWED
Can't say I like Bush, but I like that song. And Everything Zen is pretty cool.
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Bush.
I didn't follow them much after the first 2, but Sixteen Stone is a grunge classic: at least 5 singles off that album.
Sixteen Stone and Razorblade Suitcase are really the only essential Bush. The Science of Things was a great listen but nothing compared to the first two.
Sixteen Stone is amazing, it was the first cd I owned and it introduced me into rock music. Songs like Everything Zen, Bomb (fucking gem of a song), Little Things, Comedown, Machinehead, Glycerine, Swim, just a classic album, I love it even after all these years.
Forgot Testosterone, Monkey and Body.
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SWALLOWED
FOLLOWED
Can't say I like Bush, but I like that song. And Everything Zen is pretty cool.
If you like those songs, check the two album, they are very very good.
Razorblade had Greedy Fly, Cold Contagious, Tendency to Start Fires, Mouth, Bonedriven, also an amazing album.
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Everything Zen, Machinehead, and Glycerine are awesome.
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My brother has the albums. He's like Grunge/Grunge-related Central. I basically sampled the entire genre, and most of the music that influenced it, through him.
Some of the other songs were okay, from memory. But some kind of irked me. Glycerine and Mouth, for example. I dunno, maybe I should give them a try.
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My brother has the albums. He's like Grunge/Grunge-related Central. I basically sampled the entire genre, and most of the music that influenced it, through him.
Some of the other songs were okay, from memory. But some kind of irked me. Glycerine and Mouth, for example. I dunno, maybe I should give them a try.
I totally understand what you mean by being 'irked out.' Some of their songs are really somber and Gavin's voice is somewhat disturbing and haunting at times. Plus his lyrics are absolutely fucking bizarre.
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Is Bush really grunge? I considered them just a Rock band. I bought Sixteen Stone on cassette for my tenth birthday. Always liked it, but yeah, some of the songs are just weird.
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Back to Nirvana, I like them, they are just not nearly as enjoyable to listen to as the others. But I love all their hits and singles and all that. AIC I've already talked about enough (one of my favorite bands ever). STP have that perfect mix of psychedelic rock, grunge, metal, country, and blues to be awesome, I could see myself liking Pearl Jam a lot if I heard more, as well as Soundgarden. I'll probably remain a casual Nirvana fan, because when I do hear the rest of their music (which I have on my computer), I can picture myself liking about half of it.
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Alice in Chains
Soundgarden
Pearl Jam
STP
Nirvana
AiC and Soundgarden are VERY close, I didn't know which one to rank first. None of these bands are terrible though, not even Nirvana.
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Machinehead
Is there a different Machine Head out there?
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There's a Bush song called Machinehead. It's one of their most popular songs.
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Pearl Jam, followed by Nirvana. The rest I'm not familiar with.
I don't classify PJ as a grunge act, though. The Ten/u] album has a bit of that sound, but by their second and third albums they had crafted a sound all their own.
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Looking back, I wish I was more in to grunge when it started taking off, since it was pretty much right in my back yard with PJ/AiC/etc... starting off in the PNW. Alas, I was too busy lamenting the downfall of the 80s MTV-generation hair/glam band genre :'(
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There's a Bush song called Machinehead. It's one of their most popular songs.
Oh. My bad. Carry on.
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Is Bush really grunge? I considered them just a Rock band. I bought Sixteen Stone on cassette for my tenth birthday. Always liked it, but yeah, some of the songs are just weird.
I guess you have a point. I guess they could be classed as alternate rock maybe. I guess they were just out when the grunge movement were popular so they got stuck with that.
Really, most of Pearl Jam's material wouldn't be grunge either.
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Out of all those bands, PJ is the only one I really listen to. And boy do I listen to them!
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Here's my list that no one will prolly give a damn about. ;)
Alice in Chains/Soundgarden
Temple of the Dog
Pearl Jam
Nirvana
Stone Temple Pilots
Dirt and Superunknown are perfect albums. I like Superunknown a little better since Dirt is just... depressing to listen to at times. Badmotorfinger and Facelift are both great. Down on the Upside and Alice and Chains are both kinda meh, though I prefer DotU, too much of AiC is just drawn out and boring. Thankfully, Black Gives Way to Blue was much better. Soundgarden's earlier stuff is just.... weird. Some great songs and just some obnoxious shit. Not sure how I'd rank it since I've only listened to a few songs here and there.
As for Pearl Jam, Ten is a great album, though a lot of the songs are overplayed. I've listened to 'some' of their other material and a lot of it just does nothing for me aside from a song here and there. Probably a band I should be more familiar with, but I can't get myself to care enough.
I admit I haven't listened to enough Nirvana and STP to make a solid judgment call (just the 'hits') but both give me little reason to care. STP, in particular, annoys me whenever I hear them.
Temple of the Dog is a fantastic album. 'Reach Down' is a great, great track. Actually most of the album is great.
I'm not sure if they'd be properly classified as 'grunge' (as a label it's pretty useless, since none of the above bands share much in common anyways), but Blind Melon's debut is a great album as well. Lots of very good tracks on there. Not sure how I'd place them since I haven't listened to their subsequent releases except for one of the albums released after Shannon Hoon died; For My Friends. It was not good.
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Here's my list that no one will prolly give a damn about. ;)
Alice in Chains/Soundgarden
Temple of the Dog
Pearl Jam
Nirvana
Stone Temple Pilots
Dirt and Superunknown are perfect albums. I like Superunknown a little better since Dirt is just... depressing to listen to at times. Badmotorfinger and Facelift are both great. Down on the Upside and Alice and Chains are both kinda meh, though I prefer DotU, too much of AiC is just drawn out and boring. Thankfully, Black Gives Way to Blue was much better. Soundgarden's earlier stuff is just.... weird. Some great songs and just some obnoxious shit. Not sure how I'd rank it since I've only listened to a few songs here and there.
As for Pearl Jam, Ten is a great album, though a lot of the songs are overplayed. I've listened to 'some' of their other material and a lot of it just does nothing for me aside from a song here and there. Probably a band I should be more familiar with, but I can't get myself to care enough.
I admit I haven't listened to enough Nirvana and STP to make a solid judgment call (just the 'hits') but both give me little reason to care. STP, in particular, annoys me whenever I hear them.
Temple of the Dog is a fantastic album. 'Reach Down' is a great, great track. Actually most of the album is great.
I'm not sure if they'd be properly classified as 'grunge' (as a label it's pretty useless, since none of the above bands share much in common anyways), but Blind Melon's debut is a great album as well. Lots of very good tracks on there. Not sure how I'd place them since I haven't listened to their subsequent releases except for one of the albums released after Shannon Hoon died; For My Friends. It was not good.
1. I gave a damn ;D
2. Welcome to the forums
3. Awesome username, assuming you're referring to King Crimson or Bruce Dickinson's "King In Crimson". Either way: :tup.
What I've heard of Blind Melon, I've liked, so I'll eventually be getting into them more.
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1. I gave a damn ;D
2. Welcome to the forums
3. Awesome username, assuming you're referring to King Crimson or Bruce Dickinson's "King In Crimson". Either way: :tup.
What I've heard of Blind Melon, I've liked, so I'll eventually be getting into them more.
1. :tup
2. Thanks!
3. Both, actually.
Definitely give them some time. Their self-titled is fantastic! It's too bad they're really only known for that one song and probably thought of as a one-hit wonder.
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Nirvana trumps them all, though I never listen to any of those bands anymore, so it doesn't matter.
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Nirvana trumps them all, though I never listen to any of those bands anymore, so it doesn't matter.
Well, aren't you just so prog?
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"Whyyyyyyyyyyyyiiyiiyiiyiiiyii Can' I just Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiii?!"
Confused as to which grunge band does that song? That's because they all do.
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Lol isn't that Pearl Jam?
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Nirvana trumps them all, though I never listen to any of those bands anymore, so it doesn't matter.
Well, aren't you just so prog?
:neverusethis:
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"Whyyyyyyyyyyyyiiyiiyiiyiiiyii Can' I just Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiii?!"
Confused as to which grunge band does that song? That's because they all do.
Incorrect.
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I am surprised people are mentioning Temple of the Dog here. Good grunge-era album, sure, but given it's one-off tribute nature, I don't even consider it from a band perspective when thinking about the best bands of that time.
As far as bands of the time go, Mother Love Bone tops my list, then (based on how much I listen to what I have in my collection):
Pearl Jam - ten remains one of the best albums of all time, IMHO, and still gets regular spins from me.
AIC
Nirvana
Soundgarden
STP
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"Whyyyyyyyyyyyyiiyiiyiiyiiiyii Can' I just Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiiiiiiiii?!"
Confused as to which grunge band does that song? That's because they all do.
Can you give us some specific examples please?
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No, Bush wasn't a grunge band.
This just in: neither was STP.
lol youngsters.
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What ages do you classify as 'youngsters?'
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What ages do you classify as 'youngsters?'
Anyone younger than yourself.
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:lol
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AiC, with Soundgarden close behind and no others even close to either. AiC was heavy and had some of the best vocal harmonies ever done by anybody. Add to that the fact that they could write a really good song.
I like the description of Soundgarden as the Sabbath of the '90s. But their music was pretty diverse and was hit and miss with me. Some of their stuff I really liked. Other stuff...meh.
I liked Pearl Jam for Ten, and then lost interest after that. Nothing else they have done grabbed me. But I remember rushing out to buy Ten the day it came out after months of anticipation, and that album did not let me down.
I don't like any of those other bands, or really any of the others loosely classified as "grunge."
AND TEMPLE OF THE DOG DON'T COUNT BECAUSE THEY WERE A SIDE PROJECT! THAT'S CHEATING!
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Seeing Alice In Chains live last night confirmed that they are an incredible band.
DEFINITELY the best ''grunge'' band.
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What ages do you classify as 'youngsters?'
For purposes of this thread - people not old enough to have been fans of grunge when it was being produced.
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What ages do you classify as 'youngsters?'
For purposes of this thread - people not old enough to have been fans of grunge when it was being produced.
Oh okay, then I do not classify as one.
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1. Pearl Jam
2. Nirvana
3. Alice in Chains
4. Soundgarden
5. Stone Temple Pilots
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No, Bush wasn't a grunge band.
This just in: neither was STP.
lol youngsters.
Yeah I know STP isn't really grunge (No. 4 is though), but like I said, I used the big five that are commonly referred to as grunge hence why grunge appears as 'grunge' in the poll question).
What ages do you classify as 'youngsters?'
For purposes of this thread - people not old enough to have been fans of grunge when it was being produced.
So I would be one :yarr
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No, Bush wasn't a grunge band.
This just in: neither was STP.
lol youngsters.
Yeah I know STP isn't really grunge (No. 4 is though), but like I said, I used the big five that are commonly referred to as grunge hence why grunge appears as 'grunge' in the poll question).
Since when is STP "commonly referred to as grunge"? Back when all this was happening, they got a lot of flak for being "grunge imitators." No one thought of them as grunge.
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No, Bush wasn't a grunge band.
This just in: neither was STP.
lol youngsters.
Yeah I know STP isn't really grunge (No. 4 is though), but like I said, I used the big five that are commonly referred to as grunge hence why grunge appears as 'grunge' in the poll question).
Since when is STP "commonly referred to as grunge"? Back when all this was happening, they got a lot of flak for being "grunge imitators." No one thought of them as grunge.
https://www.90srockers.com/top5.php
https://www.spirit-of-metal.com/liste_groupe-indexStyle-Grunge-l-en.html
https://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/listoftheday/128290/the-25-best-grunge-bands/
Stone Temple Pilots appears in all of those lists, plus they're listed as grunge on their Wikipedia page
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The way I look at it, they are right in between the grunge boom and the Post-Grunge boom. Call them what you want. If we are getting into Post-Grunge now, Creed is the best them!
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1- AiC
2-Peal Jam
3-Soundgarden
4-Failure
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No, Bush wasn't a grunge band.
This just in: neither was STP.
lol youngsters.
Yeah I know STP isn't really grunge (No. 4 is though), but like I said, I used the big five that are commonly referred to as grunge hence why grunge appears as 'grunge' in the poll question).
Since when is STP "commonly referred to as grunge"? Back when all this was happening, they got a lot of flak for being "grunge imitators." No one thought of them as grunge.
https://www.90srockers.com/top5.php
https://www.spirit-of-metal.com/liste_groupe-indexStyle-Grunge-l-en.html
https://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/listoftheday/128290/the-25-best-grunge-bands/
Stone Temple Pilots appears in all of those lists, plus they're listed as grunge on their Wikipedia page
All of those lists are wrong, and I didn't see it on the Wikipedia page. It calls them a "rock" band, and even mentions the shit they got for being "grunge imitators."
A lot of people group "alternative 90s" rock in with grunge, but that's not the way it was. The grunge movement was very much a Seattle thing.
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IF this was '94 (Cause I thought they ALL faded after that) I would say "Band/Best Album"
1. Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger
2. Pearl Jam - Ten
3. STP - Core
4. AiC - Dirt
Nirvana wouldn't even make my list.....seriously the most overrated band ever IMHO. I was recently watching "The 7 ages of Rock" on VH1, and was thoroughly disgusted that they spent the whole Alt/Grunge hour on Nirvana.
Honorable mentions too....
Mother Love Bone
Screaming Trees
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No, Bush wasn't a grunge band.
This just in: neither was STP.
lol youngsters.
Yeah I know STP isn't really grunge (No. 4 is though), but like I said, I used the big five that are commonly referred to as grunge hence why grunge appears as 'grunge' in the poll question).
Since when is STP "commonly referred to as grunge"? Back when all this was happening, they got a lot of flak for being "grunge imitators." No one thought of them as grunge.
https://www.90srockers.com/top5.php
https://www.spirit-of-metal.com/liste_groupe-indexStyle-Grunge-l-en.html
https://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/listoftheday/128290/the-25-best-grunge-bands/
Stone Temple Pilots appears in all of those lists, plus they're listed as grunge on their Wikipedia page
All of those lists are wrong, and I didn't see it on the Wikipedia page. It calls them a "rock" band, and even mentions the shit they got for being "grunge imitators."
A lot of people group "alternative 90s" rock in with grunge, but that's not the way it was. The grunge movement was very much a Seattle thing.
Well the lists being wrong is your opinion when it comes to ranking (if that's what you're saying is wrong), and that's besides the point. The point is is that they're commonly referred to as grunge. I'm not arguing if they're grunge or not, I'm saying that they're commonly referred to as it, nor am I arguing the validity of the lists. Look under the picture on their Wikipedia page and you'll see grunge listed as one of their genres.
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Alice in Chains by a country mile. Pearl Jam is awesome too, but nowhere close to Alice.
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Stone Temple Pilots' Purple is probably my favorite STP record, at least at the moment.
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Soundgarden in HD @ Lollapalooza 2010 - Rusty Cage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0jxLyurCbU :metal
They are touring Australia in early 2011, so I'm assuming they'll tour the States sometime within the next year, so I am excite! :caffeine:
Active classic grunge bands to see:
Alice In Chains
Stone Temple Pilots (seeing next month)
Soundgarden (definitely seeing them when they come around next year)
Pearl Jam (might see next tour, whenever that'll be. Gotta get more of their stuff)
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Pearl Jam
Soundgarden
Nirvana
Haven't heard enough STP and AIC (apart from their acoustic stuff) to judge.
And I really like Nevermind. It's just a good rock record filled with good songs. Nothing wrong with it.
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Soundgarden in HD @ Lollapalooza 2010 - Rusty Cage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0jxLyurCbU :metal
They are touring Australia in early 2011, so I'm assuming they'll tour the States sometime within the next year, so I am excite! :caffeine:
I... I really wish that I had been able to see them during Lolla.
Hopefully, I'll get a chance when they tour around here.
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Soundgarden :heart
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Alice In Chains 2x
Stone Temple Pilots
Soundgarden
Pearl Jam x3
Sorry. I had to. :P
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Alice In Chains 2x
Stone Temple Pilots
Soundgarden
Pearl Jam x3
Sorry. I had to. :P
YOU AND YOUR... YOUR... NUMBERS! >:(
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Love ya Birch! :heart
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:-*
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Honorable mentions too....
Mother Love Bone
:tup
(...but not really grunge)
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Listened to In Utero twice today. Damn good album.
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BUMP OF THE DECADE!!!!
Since my comment about grunge in the “bands you only love one album from” thread was off topic, I figured I would move it to the relevant thread.
Being at ground zero as it all went down...the difference between local mentality and national mentality on this never ceases to blow my mind.
Nevermind is really good, but I consider it to be their least work, and least representative of the Seattle sound. Bleach was a better representation....but Kurt was also nudged into the direction of other SubPop artists that were creating the buzz at the time. He ended up doing a great job of representing the Seattle sound, but it wasn’t really the album he wanted to make. In Utero IMO was Kurt’s masterpiece and the album he always wanted to make. It would have been easy to phone in another Nevermind, but he didn’t do that and I feel like the album is far better for it.
Mudhoney is still the greatest representation of what got everyone in the area buzzing and flocking to the clubs, and on the rare occasion they play a local show, it sells out so fast that it’s hard to get in. Heck...the lead singer invented the term grunge.
But at the end of the day, Soundgarden was always my personal favorite and could almost do no wrong. EDIT - but Soundgarden isn’t really grunge either...though they borrowed just enough of that “dirty” sound to definitely give themselves a Seattle flavor.
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Additionally....if I could describe what it was ACTUALLY like in the Seattle grunge scene with just one single video...THIS is it. This is the sound that got kids buzzing. This is what it looked like in the clubs. And notice that all videos are time stamped pre-Nevermind.
https://youtu.be/_nGsT_qFMBs
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Additionally....if I could describe what it was ACTUALLY like in the Seattle grunge scene with just one single video...THIS is it. This is the sound that got kids buzzing. This is what it looked like in the clubs. And notice that all videos are time stamped pre-Nevermind.
https://youtu.be/_nGsT_qFMBs
If you were around Seattle in those days, curious if you were familiar with Bam Bam/Tina Bell. I read this article about her recently, which dubbed her the Godmother of Grunge. Thought it was an interesting read at least. Apparently Kurt Cobain was a roadie for the band at one point. Matt Cameron was the original drummer too.
https://zora.medium.com/the-black-mother-of-grunge-who-inspired-nirvana-95886f21eccc
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Additionally....if I could describe what it was ACTUALLY like in the Seattle grunge scene with just one single video...THIS is it. This is the sound that got kids buzzing. This is what it looked like in the clubs. And notice that all videos are time stamped pre-Nevermind.
https://youtu.be/_nGsT_qFMBs
If you were around Seattle in those days, curious if you were familiar with Bam Bam/Tina Bell. I read this article about her recently, which dubbed her the Godmother of Grunge. Thought it was an interesting read at least. Apparently Kurt Cobain was a roadie for the band at one point. Matt Cameron was the original drummer too.
https://zora.medium.com/the-black-mother-of-grunge-who-inspired-nirvana-95886f21eccc
This is amazing. No....I had not heard of them, and that is a shame. I will say upfront that I was a kid in the suburbs when all of this was going down. I knew more about what was going on than most of my peers did, just because I hung around record stores, and most of them didn't. I was too young to go to clubs downtown because my parents were extremely conservative (though I did see Soundgarden headline the Louder than Love tour in Feb 1990 which was an AMAZING show).
Short version, I knew more about the scene than most other suburb kids...but not nearly as much as the city kids. And to be honest, I probably appreciate the entire genre more now than I did then. I liked it then (but was more into the growing thrash movement) but grew to love it later as I got to appreciate what a cultural shift it was, and how well it represented the disenchantment we were all feeling at the time.
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Additionally....if I could describe what it was ACTUALLY like in the Seattle grunge scene with just one single video...THIS is it. This is the sound that got kids buzzing. This is what it looked like in the clubs. And notice that all videos are time stamped pre-Nevermind.
https://youtu.be/_nGsT_qFMBs
If you were around Seattle in those days, curious if you were familiar with Bam Bam/Tina Bell. I read this article about her recently, which dubbed her the Godmother of Grunge. Thought it was an interesting read at least. Apparently Kurt Cobain was a roadie for the band at one point. Matt Cameron was the original drummer too.
https://zora.medium.com/the-black-mother-of-grunge-who-inspired-nirvana-95886f21eccc
This is amazing. No....I had not heard of them, and that is a shame. I will say upfront that I was a kid in the suburbs when all of this was going down. I knew more about what was going on than most of my peers did, just because I hung around record stores, and most of them didn't. I was too young to go to clubs downtown because my parents were extremely conservative (though I did see Soundgarden headline the Louder than Love tour in Feb 1990 which was an AMAZING show).
Short version, I knew more about the scene than most other suburb kids...but not nearly as much as the city kids. And to be honest, I probably appreciate the entire genre more now than I did then. I liked it then (but was more into the growing thrash movement) but grew to love it later as I got to appreciate what a cultural shift it was, and how well it represented the disenchantment we were all feeling at the time.
Gotcha. I had a similar experience with grunge. It was kind of my oldest brother’s thing at the time, and while I grew up liking a lot of it, it want “my” music so I kind of shied away from it until the late 2000s. I’m mostly just a fan of Pearl Jam from that scene, though I do like select stuff from AIC and Soundgarden. Never got into Nirvana at all really.
I do also really like The Smashing Pumpkins. Not Seattle based but came out of that Sub Pop scene.
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Even from day one - East Coast Day One, which was the release of "Ten" by Pearl Jam (about two weeks before Nevermind) - I always felt and still do that there was resentment - even if unspoken - towards Kurt Cobain, and while I would never go as far as to say it led to or even contributed to his suicide, some of his prickly and antisocial behavior was related to that "guilt" (in quotes because I can't guess what he was feeling; it could have been something else) for being the poster-boy for something he wasn't really a part of, not at it's core. I'm not the hugest fan of Eddie Vedder now (preachy, much?) but I thought he handled it really well, being the newcomer and getting attention when guys like Mark Arm, and Andy Wood and Chris Cornell weren't.
It's why I have a special place in my heart for Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament, who were there at the beginning (Green River, who I actually do like a fair amount, even though Mother Love Bone is my favorite Seattle band by a long shot).
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Stadler, I've read your post three times, and I'm not sure about something. When you mention "resent" and Kurt Cobain....what do you mean?
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I like PJ....but I guess I resent Vedder a bit for taking over the band. I forget if it was Stone or Jeff, but one of them said that somewhere around No Code or Yield, it was starting to come apart due to internal friction and they had to decide whether to break up or “become Eddie’s backing band”...they opted for the latter. He makes it sound as if it’s not very collaborative anymore.
I always felt AIC were grossly overrated (and I prefer Facelift over Dirt) what I’ve heard from the recent albums with the new lead singer has really impressed me, and I’m seriously wanting to pick up Rainier Fog.
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Stadler, I've read your post three times, and I'm not sure about something. When you mention "resent" and Kurt Cobain....what do you mean?
Well, and all this is a guess, because I wasn't there, but the vibe was always very collegial, very open. There was never much of that "oh THAT music sucks" or "oh, we're better than THAT!". Yeah, Soundgarden lampooned the hair metal dudes with "Big Dumb Sex", but they all sort of acknowledged their debt to Sabbath and Kiss and the metal that came before them. There was always a sort of vibe with Cobain that he was better than everyone around him.
The resentment comes in from that. Cornell and Pearl Jam all appeared together in movies; Cornell lived with Andy Wood; AiC had Cornell and Mark Arm (Mudhoney, Green River) on their acoustic EP; when Andy died, they not only mourned him, the went in and made an entire friggin' record (Temple Of The Dog). I could be wrong, but I got no real sense of deep remorse, of "losing one of our own" when Cobain died. Other than Jason Everman, who played in each band for about 12 minutes each, there was no sharing of members or anything like that; Cobain/Nirvana were off on their own, and only really seemed to represent the grunge scene from a distance. I think the people in Seattle are far too... sensitive to ever come out and say it, but I think any of those bands - MLB, PJ, SG, MH, AIC - would have preferred if one of the others in that group got the golden ring and not Nirvana.
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Im enjoying this thread
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I like PJ....but I guess I resent Vedder a bit for taking over the band. I forget if it was Stone or Jeff, but one of them said that somewhere around No Code or Yield, it was starting to come apart due to internal friction and they had to decide whether to break up or “become Eddie’s backing band”...they opted for the latter. He makes it sound as if it’s not very collaborative anymore.
I always felt AIC were grossly overrated (and I prefer Facelift over Dirt) what I’ve heard from the recent albums with the new lead singer has really impressed me, and I’m seriously wanting to pick up Rainier Fog.
That was Stone, and he said it again in the "20" documentary (which is excellent, by the way). The band started as Jeff and Stone's thing (Arm left Green River in part because he thought Gossard and Ament - in particular - were too "success" oriented) and they had a decision to make as you wrote. It's no coincidence that while I have most of their albums, I much prefer the earlier stuff. The debut is still my favorite. The only latter day record that even comes close is Yield.
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I like PJ....but I guess I resent Vedder a bit for taking over the band. I forget if it was Stone or Jeff, but one of them said that somewhere around No Code or Yield, it was starting to come apart due to internal friction and they had to decide whether to break up or “become Eddie’s backing band”...they opted for the latter. He makes it sound as if it’s not very collaborative anymore.
I think when you have a singer that is so identifiable, that's just how it is. You've got the creative (Stone/Gossard) and the signature (Vedder).
Joe Perry in is extremely boring autobiography basically said the same in how Aerosmith goes. It's Tyler's show, and Perry knows it.
The tugging going on on GnR's UYI albums is the same thing.
Stadler, I've read your post three times, and I'm not sure about something. When you mention "resent" and Kurt Cobain....what do you mean?
Well, and all this is a guess, because I wasn't there, but the vibe was always very collegial, very open. There was never much of that "oh THAT music sucks" or "oh, we're better than THAT!". Yeah, Soundgarden lampooned the hair metal dudes with "Big Dumb Sex", but they all sort of acknowledged their debt to Sabbath and Kiss and the metal that came before them. There was always a sort of vibe with Cobain that he was better than everyone around him.
The resentment comes in from that. Cornell and Pearl Jam all appeared together in movies; Cornell lived with Andy Wood; AiC had Cornell and Mark Arm (Mudhoney, Green River) on their acoustic EP; when Andy died, they not only mourned him, the went in and made an entire friggin' record (Temple Of The Dog). I could be wrong, but I got no real sense of deep remorse, of "losing one of our own" when Cobain died. Other than Jason Everman, who played in each band for about 12 minutes each, there was no sharing of members or anything like that; Cobain/Nirvana were off on their own, and only really seemed to represent the grunge scene from a distance. I think the people in Seattle are far too... sensitive to ever come out and say it, but I think any of those bands - MLB, PJ, SG, MH, AIC - would have preferred if one of the others in that group got the golden ring and not Nirvana.
I just don't think Cobain represented what PJ and Soundgarden were all about. Those were rock bands, stripped down metal bands in style and look.
Cobain seemed more punkish, who just happened to break through with the right song at the right time. At least Cornell and the Pearl Jam guys persevered. Cobain just got lucky.
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AIC is undoubtedly my favorite grunge band. And Dirt is easily my favorite grunge album.
I would rank those 5 grunge bands:
1. AIC (fav album: Dirt)
2. Pearl Jam (fav album: Ten)
3. Soundgarden (fav album: Badmotorfinger)
4. Stone Temple Pilots (fav album: Purple)
5. Nirvana (fav album: Bleach)
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I like PJ....but I guess I resent Vedder a bit for taking over the band. I forget if it was Stone or Jeff, but one of them said that somewhere around No Code or Yield, it was starting to come apart due to internal friction and they had to decide whether to break up or “become Eddie’s backing band”...they opted for the latter. He makes it sound as if it’s not very collaborative anymore.
I always felt AIC were grossly overrated (and I prefer Facelift over Dirt) what I’ve heard from the recent albums with the new lead singer has really impressed me, and I’m seriously wanting to pick up Rainier Fog.
Rainer Fog may be my favorite AiC record, actually. It's the best of the parts I like best about AiC (I love those droning dual vocals). I'm glad I got to see them live (Jerry was right in front of me).
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I'm glad I got to see them live.
Me too.
July 6, 1991
Great Woods
Mansfield, Ma
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Who they open for Tim? I saw them open for Van Halen.
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Who they open for Tim? I saw them open for Van Halen.
I also saw them open for Van Halen.
This was the Clash Of The Titans show.
Anthrax
Slayer
Megadeth
Alice In Chains
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I like PJ....but I guess I resent Vedder a bit for taking over the band. I forget if it was Stone or Jeff, but one of them said that somewhere around No Code or Yield, it was starting to come apart due to internal friction and they had to decide whether to break up or “become Eddie’s backing band”...they opted for the latter. He makes it sound as if it’s not very collaborative anymore.
I always felt AIC were grossly overrated (and I prefer Facelift over Dirt) what I’ve heard from the recent albums with the new lead singer has really impressed me, and I’m seriously wanting to pick up Rainier Fog.
Rainer Fog may be my favorite AiC record, actually. It's the best of the parts I like best about AiC (I love those droning dual vocals). I'm glad I got to see them live (Jerry was right in front of me).
I like the post-Layne Staley albums quite a bit, and Rainier Fog is a good one that's at least on par with Black Gives Way to Blue.
But for me, somehow the music is missing that extra snarl (yarl?), bite, edge, resonance... whatever you want to call it.... that you got with Staley on vocals.
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Who they open for Tim? I saw them open for Van Halen.
I also saw them open for Van Halen.
This was the Clash Of The Titans show.
Anthrax
Slayer
Megadeth
Alice In Chains
That must have been one hell of a show. :metal :metal :metal :metal
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I also saw AiC open for Van Halen. That was a hell of a tour.
AIC is undoubtedly my favorite grunge band. And Dirt is easily my favorite grunge album.
I would rank those 5 grunge bands:
1. AIC (fav album: Dirt)
2. Pearl Jam (fav album: Ten)
3. Soundgarden (fav album: Badmotorfinger)
4. Stone Temple Pilots (fav album: Purple)
5. Nirvana (fav album: Bleach)
STP wasn't really a grunge band.
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I like PJ....but I guess I resent Vedder a bit for taking over the band. I forget if it was Stone or Jeff, but one of them said that somewhere around No Code or Yield, it was starting to come apart due to internal friction and they had to decide whether to break up or “become Eddie’s backing band”...they opted for the latter. He makes it sound as if it’s not very collaborative anymore.
I always felt AIC were grossly overrated (and I prefer Facelift over Dirt) what I’ve heard from the recent albums with the new lead singer has really impressed me, and I’m seriously wanting to pick up Rainier Fog.
I do prefer the early Pearl Jam albums, although I like both No Code and Yield a lot too. Vs. was probably the high water mark for me. There are a few tracks I like from Binaural, and then I didn’t get a ton out of Riot Act or the self titled release. I did really like Backspacer, but by the time Lightning Bolt came around I was really getting back into prog and I haven’t ever checked that one out or Gigaton. I did hear some good things about Gigaton so maybe I should check it out.
Alice In Chains are a band where I like the radio stuff better than the album cuts. But I do really like Jar of Flies a lot.
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The one and only time I got to see AIC was opening for Ozzy on the 2nd leg of the No More Tours Tour in Norfolk, VA while in college. It was Sepultura/AIC/Ozzy. Layne performed in a wheelchair because he had broken his foot that summer. How's this for a setlist:
Dam That River
We Die Young
Them Bones
Would?
Junkhead
God Smack
Put You Down
Sickman
It Ain't Like That
Angry Chair
Man In The Box
I only wish I had a better recollection of the show.
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Really never got into grunge so ranking these bands doesn't really make sense as I don't really like any of them.... besides AiC. I don't love them, but I do like them and I think it's because they are a bit more metal. I only saw them once on tour in 2018.
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I don't love them, but I do like them and I think it's because they are a bit more metal.
I'd definitely put AIC closer to metal, especially with Facelift. And, not too far behind, Soundgarden. Badmotorfinger is totally metal.
AIC and Soundgarden are (IMO) head and shoulders above the other 3 vocally. Between the harmonies of Layne and Jerry and Chris' abilities, the others don't really come close.
Rank Band (Favorite Release)
1. Alice In Chains (Facelift)
2. Soundgarden (Badmotorfinger)
3. Pearl Jam (Ten)
4. Stone Temple Pilots (Purple)
5. Nirvana (Nevermind)
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I don't love them, but I do like them and I think it's because they are a bit more metal.
I'd definitely put AIC closer to metal, especially with Facelift. And, not too far behind, Soundgarden. Badmotorfinger is totally metal.
AIC and Soundgarden are (IMO) head and shoulders above the other 3 vocally. Between the harmonies of Layne and Jerry and Chris' abilities, the others don't really come close.
Rank Band (Favorite Release)
1. Alice In Chains (Facelift)
2. Soundgarden (Badmotorfinger)
3. Pearl Jam (Ten)
4. Stone Temple Pilots (Purple)
5. Nirvana (Nevermind)
What’s weird is I love the Temple of the Dog album and think Chris Cornell is an amazing singer, but I just don’t get a lot out of Soundgarden. Another band where I mostly just like the hits.
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What’s weird is I love the Temple of the Dog album and think Chris Cornell is an amazing singer, but I just don’t get a lot out of Soundgarden. Another band where I mostly just like the hits.
TOTD were an amazing band. I was lucky enough to see them at MSG back in 2019 (I think?). An absolutely phenomenal show. As for Soundgarden, "Jesus Christ Pose" and "Birth Ritual" (from the 'Singles' soundtrack) are my absolute favorites (and, probably the most "metal" songs they ever did). If they only released those two songs, their output as a band would be significantly better than the catalogs of so many other bands.
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What’s weird is I love the Temple of the Dog album and think Chris Cornell is an amazing singer, but I just don’t get a lot out of Soundgarden. Another band where I mostly just like the hits.
TOTD were an amazing band. I was lucky enough to see them at MSG back in 2019 (I think?). An absolutely phenomenal show. As for Soundgarden, "Jesus Christ Pose" and "Birth Ritual" (from the 'Singles' soundtrack) are my absolute favorites (and, probably the most "metal" songs they ever did). If they only released those two songs, their output as a band would be significantly better than the catalogs of so many other bands.
BOOM! I was at that show too; it was killer.
It was also - for me - the difference between Soundgarden and Pearl Jam. It's not the singer, it's the band. I'm a HUGE fan of Stone Gossard; I think he blows Kim Thayil away. I think I just like the influences for Pearl Jam more; there's more Kiss/UFO in Pearl Jam. Soundgarden are influenced by a lot of the same - John Lennon, Sabbath - but it comes out a lot weirder. Harsher, more metallic (not METAL, but brittle, metallic.)
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I love everything in this thread.... I agree with everyone...
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I love everything in this thread.... I agree with everyone...
No you don't. You didn't read closely enough. :lol
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Jerry Cantrell is easily the best grunge guitarist.
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Jerry Cantrell is easily the best grunge guitarist.
I love his solo albums. Degradation Trips 1 & 2 are definitely a lot darker than Boggy Depot, but equally killer. I've heard he's working on a new one now. :metal
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It was also - for me - the difference between Soundgarden and Pearl Jam. It's not the singer, it's the band. I'm a HUGE fan of Stone Gossard; I think he blows Kim Thayil away. I think I just like the influences for Pearl Jam more; there's more Kiss/UFO in Pearl Jam. Soundgarden are influenced by a lot of the same - John Lennon, Sabbath - but it comes out a lot weirder. Harsher, more metallic (not METAL, but brittle, metallic.)
Yeah, the two BANDS are definitely different. I totally agree. Soundgarden is Sabbath's bastard child. And, as you said, more Kiss/UFO in PJ. Their song compositions are totally different. TOTD was the best of both worlds - PJ's songs and SG's voice.
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Seen on the Twitters today:
"Grunge Frasier"
https://twitter.com/okjonblair/status/1514678421216972800?s=20&t=ZGfBHQCRo00Op3pfwHTx4w
:lol
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I enjoy AIC, PJ and Soundgarden but for me Nirvanas music made more impact on me than any of the other bands during my teens. Dosen't matter if the other bands made more quality music or whatever. They defined the 90s and grunge for me.
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Seen on the Twitters today:
"Grunge Frasier"
https://twitter.com/okjonblair/status/1514678421216972800?s=20&t=ZGfBHQCRo00Op3pfwHTx4w
:lol
:rollin :rollin
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:lol
That was fantastic. Lol
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Soundgarden for me. They've got that extra cool factor of Kim Thayil's mysterious brooding guitar freak-outs and Chris Cornell's beautiful twisted songwriting (both lyrically and musically). Plus Matt Cameron is the best drummer of any of these bands (Peal Jam would probably agree! lol). And it's those proggy time signatures and weird tunings too that satisfy my more technical side.
After that probably Pearl Jam, mainly because Eddie Vedder really is just that great of a singer and often enough that great of a songwriter too.
Then would come Nirvana, who I used to dislike until I got over my prejudice about them "killing classic rock" or something, but still view them with a dash of "well they weren't all that." Very tight, idiosyncratic songs from Kurt, and Grohl and Novoselic were not a rhythm section to be trifled with by anyone.
...at the end of the day I vastly prefer the Foo Fighters though.
Then we have Alice In Chains, who honestly scare me a bit with they're darkness and gritty, addiction addled despair. On one hand, I think they're fantastic musicians and songwriters and have at least one masterpiece of an album in Dirt. On the other, they're not anything to be listened to lightly (which you could say about most of these bands, really, but it's especially true of AIC).
And last but not for much of a reason other than underexposure, STP. I'm not the hugest fan of their "big" album Core, though I do dig the hits. But after hearing Tiny Music From The Vatican Gift Shop, I realized these guys had a lot more versatility than they were given credit for when Plush hit it big. They almost sound brit-pop on that album, and I really enjoyed their 2018 album as well. So a really underappreciated band, but I think it's because they usually only get talked about in relation to the four giants I myself have placed above them. Oh well.
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Y’all really need more Mudhoney in your lives. ;D
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Y’all really need more Mudhoney in your lives. ;D
I got the Superfuzz Big Muff EP recently! Very good stuff. Sits nicely alongside some SG or Nirvana in that scuzzier more hardcore side of things.
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Wasn't sure where to post this but this is pretty f-ing cool. Imagine being this young man! I bet he's a lot more popular at school tomorrow. :laugh:
https://people.com/music/local-teen-saves-pearl-jam-concert-after-drummer-gets-covid-video/
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Cool indeed, but not as impressive as jumping on stage to fill in on the spot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scot_Halpin
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LoL - both are pretty cool. I imagine Moon's shoes were a bit bigger to fill....
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Wasn't sure where to post this but this is pretty f-ing cool. Imagine being this young man! I bet he's a lot more popular at school tomorrow. :laugh:
https://people.com/music/local-teen-saves-pearl-jam-concert-after-drummer-gets-covid-video/
That is amazing!
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So I read up a bit more on Scott Halpin and ran across this. Speaking of cool...Pete Townshend for the win.
Scott Halpin went on to get married, manage a rock club, play in several groups and become composer-in-residence at the Headlands Centre For The Arts in Sausalito, California. He rarely played drums, preferring the guitar. Sadly, he died of a brain tumour in 2008, aged just 54.
On a whim, Halpin’s wife Robyn wrote to Pete Townshend’s office to tell him her husband had passed away. But she was astonished when Townshend replied with a message to be read out at Halpin’s memorial.
“Scott is often in my mind and always with the greatest gratitude and affection,” Townshend wrote. “He showed such youthful courage and humour standing in for Keith Moon that fateful day. Scott played so well too… He played drums brilliantly, smiled and went home…
“I measure my life by great and good people I have occasionally met,” he said finally. “Scott is one of the great and good ones. I worked that out in 30 minutes. That must surely say something about the man.”
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I found this part of the Wiki article... I don't know what; amusing? Worrisome? Telling?:
"Halpin was given a small shot of brandy for his nerves before taking his place behind his first drumset since leaving Iowa."
(Moon passed out from mixing ketamine and brandy.)
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Didn't know where to post this as couldn't find an official Soundgarden thread sorry if should be elsewhere...
Soundgarden fans will be happy to know we may be a step closer to hearing these final tunes (RIP Chris).
“The reconciliation marks a new partnership between the two parties, which will allow Soundgarden fans around the world to hear the final songs that the band and Chris were working on...
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/soundgarden-chris-cornell-widow-settle-lawsuit-final-recordings-1234710236/amp/
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Didn't know where to post this as couldn't find an official Soundgarden thread sorry if should be elsewhere...
Soundgarden fans will be happy to know we may be a step closer to hearing these final tunes (RIP Chris).
That's awesome. I've been on a huge AIC/soundgarden kick lately. I didn't realize that Chris Cornell's first wife, Susan Silver, was the longtime manager of Alice in Chains.
I cam across this heart-wrenching performance of 'Black Gives Way to Blue' by Chris Cornell's daughter (with Chris DeGarmo) from an award ceremony for AIC back in 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAqS_c56TLE
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Soundgarden to me was always the first and best of the Seattle Big 4.
I had Ultramega OK on cassette from the day it came out. Liked it a lot. But totally freaked out over Louder Than Love (first major label release by any of the big 4 IIRC). I listened to that album front to back non-stop for months and I still consider that to be my all time favorite “Seattle sound” album. (I hesitate to call it “grunge”, although I know that’s what people commonly know it as).
Sadly, I didn’t continue to follow any of the Seattle bands after they broke nationwide. But I’ve gone back and visited later material, and while I still think BMF is a bit overrated, I have absolutely fallen in love with Superunknown. Really sorry I didn’t pick up on that album when it first landed. But better late than never, I suppose.
Still never heard King Animal. But I’m excited to hear the new stuff.
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Fer sure King Animal wasn't up to their past glories but certainly contained some stellar material.
Love BMF but yes Superuknown remains a Top10'er fer my ears. Hadn't heard a note of theirs until then new single My Wave came over speakers at my local gym and was hooked. Louder Than Love came later for me and would now listen to it as much as any Soundgarden these days (Ugly Truth rules!).
All that said I have an absolute love for Down On The Upside. Did then back in 96 and even moreso now. While it was evident Chris' venture towards more pop and ballads etc was in full swing, those and much of the album was IMO some of his/their best material. Still rate Pretty Noose very highly and songs such as Switch Opens and Overfloater too often overlooked.
Splendid stuff and will add Tighter And Tighter is quite possibly one of Cornell's finest achievements IMO! Just sayin' ;)
Anyway needless to say these yet to be released songs are high on my wishlist \m/
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Fer sure King Animal wasn't up to their past glories but certainly contained some stellar material.
Love BMF but yes Superuknown remains a Top10'er fer my ears. Hadn't heard a note of theirs until then new single My Wave came over speakers at my local gym and was hooked. Louder Than Love came later for me and would now listen to it as much as any Soundgarden these days (Ugly Truth rules!).
All that said I have an absolute love for Down On The Upside. Did then back in 96 and even moreso now. While it was evident Chris' venture towards more pop and ballads etc was in full swing, those and much of the album was IMO some of his/their best material. Still rate Pretty Noose very highly and songs such as Switch Opens and Overfloater too often overlooked.
Splendid stuff and will add Tighter And Tighter is quite possibly one of Cornell's finest achievements IMO! Just sayin' ;)
Anyway needless to say these yet to be released songs are high on my wishlist \m/
My go to Soundgarden album. I was obsessed with it back in the day, Tighter and Tighter, top 3 Soundgarden song.
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AiC, with Soundgarden close behind and no others even close to either. AiC was heavy and had some of the best vocal harmonies ever done by anybody. Add to that the fact that they could write a really good song.
I like the description of Soundgarden as the Sabbath of the '90s. But their music was pretty diverse and was hit and miss with me. Some of their stuff I really liked. Other stuff...meh.
I liked Pearl Jam for Ten, and then lost interest after that. Nothing else they have done grabbed me. But I remember rushing out to buy Ten the day it came out after months of anticipation, and that album did not let me down.
I don't like any of those other bands, or really any of the others loosely classified as "grunge."
AND TEMPLE OF THE DOG DON'T COUNT BECAUSE THEY WERE A SIDE PROJECT! THAT'S CHEATING!
How about Mad Season? "Above" is a great album.
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TEMPLE OF THE DOG
Them and Mad Season were the two next most well-known that I left off because I wanted to stick with the big five, so to speak.
Mad Season "Above" is a kick ass album.
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TEMPLE OF THE DOG
Them and Mad Season were the two next most well-known that I left off because I wanted to stick with the big five, so to speak.
Mad Season "Above" is a kick ass album.
Both are good. Temple Of The Dog might be my favorite grunge album (maybe behind Pearl Jam Vs.)
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What about Mad Season, Above. I heard it's a kick ass album.
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Mad Season, "Above", is a kick ass album.
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But did you ever hear about Mad Season's album, Above?
THAT, my friends, is how you make a kick ass album.
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DT is doing it live start to finish. A Change Of Mad Seasons "Above Kick Ass". :biggrin:
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:lol
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It's wild how times have changed since I initially voted in this poll. AiC would absolutory be my choice now.
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I just find the results surprising because while AIC does have great riffs and catchy songs, Soundgarden is by far the most “prog” of all the grunge bands. Ever since I discovered Rush at 12 years old, I was immediately drawn to the rock bands that gravitated toward more unusual time signatures and off-kilter rhythms. That’s the main reason Soundgarden sets themselves apart from the pack. Alice In Chains, being much more straightforward and admittedly great songwriters, strike me more as the AC/DC of the bunch.
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I just find the results surprising because while AIC does have great riffs and catchy songs, Soundgarden is by far the most “prog” of all the grunge bands. Ever since I discovered Rush at 12 years old, I was immediately drawn to the rock bands that gravitated toward more unusual time signatures and off-kilter rhythms. That’s the main reason Soundgarden sets themselves apart from the pack. Alice In Chains, being much more straightforward and admittedly great songwriters, strike me more as the AC/DC of the bunch.
That's an odd comparison, since AIC's songs and albums don't all sound the same, like AC/DC.
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I just find the results surprising because while AIC does have great riffs and catchy songs, Soundgarden is by far the most “prog” of all the grunge bands. Ever since I discovered Rush at 12 years old, I was immediately drawn to the rock bands that gravitated toward more unusual time signatures and off-kilter rhythms. That’s the main reason Soundgarden sets themselves apart from the pack. Alice In Chains, being much more straightforward and admittedly great songwriters, strike me more as the AC/DC of the bunch.
That's an odd comparison, since AIC's songs and albums don't all sound the same, like AC/DC.
Yeah, if there was an AC/DC of the group I’d say it’s Nirvana, but I wouldn’t say any of them were much like AC/DC in sound, style, or spirit.
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Huh. I guess to me, even more so than Nirvana, AIC was the most “samey” of the bunch.
I did finally listen to Rainier Fog. Pretty good album. I was surprised how much it sounded exactly like their older stuff. To the point that if I didn’t know better, I’d swear Layne never died.
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I'm glad the songs will be released. My favorite two bands from that era are Soundgarden and Alice in Chains.
I never got to see them, but saw Cornell solo (on his Carry On tour, which featured a ton of SG material), and I was lucky to see Temple of the Dog. Always bummed I never got to see SG. It just wasn't in the cards. As for Alice, still a favorite. Rainer Fog was a great record. They recorded the last show in Seattle, I guess with thoughts of releasing it, but it hasn't yet been announced. It was a great show. Had a few friends there. An aside - Chris DeGarmo and his daughter (known as "The Rue") were an unannounced first act to that show. DeGarmo, as some may know, played the acoustic guitar (the long solo-ish interlude section) on "Drone." He didn't want a credit on the album, but Jerry Cantrell mentioned it numerous times in the media.
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No love for The Screaming Trees? There final (proper) two releases with 'Sweet Oblivion' in 92 and 'Dust' in 96 are great albums.
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I saw Alice In Chains open for Van Halen, amazing show.
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I saw Alice In Chains open for Van Halen, amazing show.
So did I!
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No love for The Screaming Trees? There final (proper) two releases with 'Sweet Oblivion' in 92 and 'Dust' in 96 are great albums.
Lots love here, both sensational albums.
We had a radio station here back when that supported all these so-called alternative bands that they often grouped together a heap of particular singles like a playlist.
We got Pretty Noose, All I Know, and our local acts Powderfinger's Pick You Up or something from Silverchair heck think they were still playing Screaming Jets' Sad Song too during this time...
Anyway back when radio still played good shit good times and loved that Screaming Trees stuff. Dust and Down On The Upside the last good releases at the end of that era \m/
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I just find the results surprising because while AIC does have great riffs and catchy songs, Soundgarden is by far the most “prog” of all the grunge bands. Ever since I discovered Rush at 12 years old, I was immediately drawn to the rock bands that gravitated toward more unusual time signatures and off-kilter rhythms. That’s the main reason Soundgarden sets themselves apart from the pack. Alice In Chains, being much more straightforward and admittedly great songwriters, strike me more as the AC/DC of the bunch.
I don't see this at all. Just take a quick example of "We Die Young", "Rooster", "No Excuses", "I Know Somethin' ('Bout You)" and "Black Gives Way To Blue". That's a pretty wide selection of variety for a mainstream band, and I'm sure I could expand it if I went back through their discography looking for more. That's a far cry from AC/DC. Maybe you could argue that Soundgarden is proggier (although AIC has their own moments, just check the time signature of the main riff of "Them Bones"), but AIC is arguably more metal, so I think it's understandable why it would appeal to a segment of DT's fanbase. Cornell is the best vocalist of the big grunge bands, but Layne is pretty good as well, and honestly none of them come close to Jerry's writing, riffing, or soloing for me. Add in some great drumming, tasty bass lines, and Jerry's iconic harmony vocals, and it's not a hard decision for me personally.
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I just find the results surprising because while AIC does have great riffs and catchy songs, Soundgarden is by far the most “prog” of all the grunge bands. Ever since I discovered Rush at 12 years old, I was immediately drawn to the rock bands that gravitated toward more unusual time signatures and off-kilter rhythms. That’s the main reason Soundgarden sets themselves apart from the pack. Alice In Chains, being much more straightforward and admittedly great songwriters, strike me more as the AC/DC of the bunch.
I don't see this at all. Just take a quick example of "We Die Young", "Rooster", "No Excuses", "I Know Somethin' ('Bout You)" and "Black Gives Way To Blue". That's a pretty wide selection of variety for a mainstream band, and I'm sure I could expand it if I went back through their discography looking for more. That's a far cry from AC/DC. Maybe you could argue that Soundgarden is proggier (although AIC has their own moments, just check the time signature of the main riff of "Them Bones"), but AIC is arguably more metal, so I think it's understandable why it would appeal to a segment of DT's fanbase. Cornell is the best vocalist of the big grunge bands, but Layne is pretty good as well, and honestly none of them come close to Jerry's writing, riffing, or soloing for me. Add in some great drumming, tasty bass lines, and Jerry's iconic harmony vocals, and it's not a hard decision for me personally.
The Jar of Flies EP pretty much shatters any comparison to AC/DC.
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I love AiC but I can see both sides of the argument. AiC definitely has more variety (and imo quality) to their discography than AC/DC, but I also get someone saying they are the most 'samey' out of these bands in this small group. Soundgarden has a pretty interesting mix of styles in their toolbox and they probably made the most interesting albums in terms of different influences, Pearl Jam evolved their sound over decades and have done many different things at this point. Alice in Chains kinda have their sound nailed down and that's what they do.
But I love all 3 of them.
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I love AiC but I can see both sides of the argument. AiC definitely has more variety (and imo quality) to their discography than AC/DC, but I also get someone saying they are the most 'samey' out of these bands in this small group. Soundgarden has a pretty interesting mix of styles in their toolbox and they probably made the most interesting albums in terms of different influences, Pearl Jam evolved their sound over decades and have done many different things at this point. Alice in Chains kinda have their sound nailed down and that's what they do.
But I love all 3 of them.
Thanks Zantera. You kind of nailed down what I was going for. I was just drawing a comparison, but I will concede they do have at least the heavy side and the acoustic side. Nevertheless, they don’t deviate as much as the others do. They found their “shtick” and they do it well.
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I saw Alice In Chains open for Van Halen, amazing show.
So did I!
Not sure if it if was the same tour but on the ICON's video Jerry talks a bit about going on tour with VH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT9pwCFMz0k
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I saw Alice In Chains open for Van Halen, amazing show.
So did I!
As did I. The F.U.C.K. tour.
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I saw Alice In Chains open for Van Halen, amazing show.
So did I!
As did I. The F.U.C.K. tour.
After AIC set. A dude with long blonde hair and an all access pass around his neck sat next to me. It was in the lower part of the nosebleed section. It was Jerry Cantrell. He watched a few songs of the VH set there.
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That's awesome!
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I love AiC but I can see both sides of the argument. AiC definitely has more variety (and imo quality) to their discography than AC/DC, but I also get someone saying they are the most 'samey' out of these bands in this small group. Soundgarden has a pretty interesting mix of styles in their toolbox and they probably made the most interesting albums in terms of different influences, Pearl Jam evolved their sound over decades and have done many different things at this point. Alice in Chains kinda have their sound nailed down and that's what they do.
But I love all 3 of them.
Thanks Zantera. You kind of nailed down what I was going for. I was just drawing a comparison, but I will concede they do have at least the heavy side and the acoustic side. Nevertheless, they don’t deviate as much as the others do. They found their “shtick” and they do it well.
Funny how people hear music. I agree that Alice In Chains don't have that much variation in their records after Layne's death. They have a working formular and they stick to it mostly. But before that they were far from sounding samey imo.
But then, although I really like Soundgarden, I found them to be much more samey in their sound.
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I saw Alice In Chains open for Van Halen, amazing show.
So did I!
As did I. The F.U.C.K. tour.
After AIC set. A dude with long blonde hair and an all access pass around his neck sat next to me. It was in the lower part of the nosebleed section. It was Jerry Cantrell. He watched a few songs of the VH set there.
Can't top that.
And while I never did a deep dive on Soundgarden like I did with AIC or PJ, they always felt a lot more "samey" to me than AIC, for sure. With their single releases, at any rate.
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I saw Alice in Chains opening for Ozzy. Layne had a broken leg, so was in a wheelchair or using a crutch for the whole performance.
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