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Title: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 12, 2010, 11:02:34 AM
Am I?


 :millahhhh
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Post by: Zantera on June 12, 2010, 11:08:00 AM
No.
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Post by: Gadough on June 12, 2010, 11:11:39 AM
All I've heard is Man on the Edge and I really like that song.
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Post by: Nick on June 12, 2010, 11:13:24 AM
It has its good songs, but it is clearly the worst 2 album run in the history of Maiden.

Edit: And although Blaze is easily blamed, it's more Harris' fault.
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Post by: tri.ad on June 12, 2010, 11:21:25 AM
Am I?


 :millahhhh

No, The X Factor is one of my favourite Iron Maiden albums. And I agree with Nick, most things (particularly on Virtual XI) that went wrong during the Blaze era were Steve Harris' fault (The Angel And The Gambler *cringes*).
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Post by: faemir on June 12, 2010, 11:24:37 AM
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!

Only song I like.
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Post by: yorost on June 12, 2010, 11:31:03 AM
You obviously browsed the Iron Maiden thread prior to making this one, eh.
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Post by: Zydar on June 12, 2010, 11:33:38 AM
Pretty much what Nick said.
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Post by: MykeHavoc on June 12, 2010, 11:48:40 AM
X Factor is one of my favorite IM albums. Virtual XI is weak, but has some decent tunes.

Both are better than both No Prayer and Fear of the Dark IMO.
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Post by: Nick on June 12, 2010, 11:53:04 AM
While I'd say they both edge out No Prayer, I for one really enjoy Fear of the Dark.
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Post by: lateralus88 on June 12, 2010, 11:53:52 AM
There are a total of 4 songs I enjoyed from the Blaze era.

1. Man on the Edge
2. Lord of the Flies
3. The Clansman
4. 2 A.M.

Both are better than both No Prayer and Fear of the Dark IMO.
lolno
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Post by: Nick on June 12, 2010, 11:55:50 AM
From the Blaze era I really like...

Sign of the Cross, Lord of the Flies, Man on the Edge, Futureal, and The Clansman

The rest range from alright to boring to downright bad. (Yeah, I'm looking at you Angel and the Gambler)
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Post by: lateralus88 on June 12, 2010, 11:59:16 AM
By a show of hands, who is actually crazy enough to enjoy Angel and the Gambler?
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Post by: MykeHavoc on June 12, 2010, 12:01:08 PM
For being an awful song? Me. I applaud how terrible it is.

And where the fuck is Sign of the Cross on your list of four songs? It's the best epic in the entire discography (yes, I even like it better than Mariner. Shoot me).
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Post by: lateralus88 on June 12, 2010, 12:03:14 PM
*shoots*
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Post by: Perpetual Change on June 12, 2010, 12:49:52 PM
The Blaze-era is great. The band became incredibly more mature as songwriters at that time, like Blaze or not.

By a show of hands, who is actually crazy enough to enjoy Angel and the Gambler?

I love it.
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Post by: chknptpie on June 12, 2010, 12:51:06 PM
There are definitely songs I really appreciate - Sign of the Cross is one of them.
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Post by: Perpetual Change on June 12, 2010, 12:52:09 PM
DONTCHA THINK I'M A SAVIOUR? DONTCHA THINK I CAN SAVE YA? DONTCHA THINK I CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE?!
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Post by: Nick on June 12, 2010, 01:19:01 PM
The Blaze-era is great. The band became incredibly more mature as songwriters at that time, like Blaze or not.

By a show of hands, who is actually crazy enough to enjoy Angel and the Gambler?

I love it.

This post makes my head explode.

If anything they became more uninspired, bland, and boring as songwriters during the Blaze years. Top that off with a completely noneffective use of Blaze's vocal abilities and you get two mediocre albums.
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Post by: Zantera on June 12, 2010, 01:22:50 PM
I really like Angel and the Gambler tbh.  ;)
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Post by: Nick on June 12, 2010, 01:24:35 PM
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Post by: yorost on June 12, 2010, 01:37:32 PM
Virtual XI had two glaring weak points, The Angel and the Gambler and Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger.  The big drawback of both was that they were extended carelessly.  The Angel and the Gambler would be ok filler at 4-5 minutes, nothing new for Maiden.  Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger is a pretty enjoyable song, but what is with that one section or repetition.  Lazy composition wrecks a pretty good song.

The thing is, the rest of Virtual XI is quite strong Maiden material.  Prior to Blaze joining they were typically getting far fewer quality songs on an album.

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X-Factor is their best album, not much went wrong on that except a little bit too much of similar writing pattern with the soft intros.

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No Prayer For the Dying and Fear of the Dark are simply awful piles of boredom.  They have no life whatsoever and are leagues below anything else Maiden has done.  No wonder, too, they were pretty much writing the same album over and over again for a decade running.  Switching Blaze in for singer gave them some much needed life and has greatly extended their staying power as a creative force.
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Post by: TAC on June 12, 2010, 01:47:21 PM
If the Blaze era shows us anything, it is that how important is Bruce Dickinson and Adrian Smith to the band's sound and songs.
That said, I find Virtual XLI a much more classic feel than X factor, even though it's definitely a few good songs short. But it still has, Futureal, Clansmen, The Educated Fool, and Don't Look To The Eyes Of A Stranger (which does get repetitive, but has one of the most badass instrumental parts on ANY Maiden song!).

I've posted this before, but I think The X factor could've been a MASTERPIECE if it was better arranged and produced. There are some of the most interesting and memorable moments but I find the whole thing kind of choppy, like the verse and chorus of a particular song may have no flow, like in The Unbeleiver, an song that sports one of the best openings in the catalog, but falls apart once the verse starts. Don't let the songwriting credits trick you, this album needed BALANCE and seasoning. If anything, I would call the era a missed opportunity. 

Funny to read the comparison to No Prayer and Fear Of the Dark. Plenty to like on both albums, but clearly NOT the greatest Maiden era. As bad as No Prayer is, that tour was one of the best Maiden shows I had ever seen. Jannick added so much energy and really pulled Dave out of his shell.

If The Final Frontier is any good, I would have no problem saying that the 00's output is far superior to their 80's output. They have proven to be one hell of a band, that has certainly had some growing pains along the way, but I love Maiden because they're not perfect, they are human, and the thing is..they have gotten BETTER over time.
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Post by: glaurung on June 12, 2010, 02:17:47 PM
Virtual XI is very easily my least favorite Maiden album.
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Post by: Arcaeus on June 12, 2010, 03:19:37 PM
It has its good songs, but it is clearly the worst 2 album run in the history of Maiden.

Edit: And although Blaze is easily blamed, it's more Harris' fault.

Yep, like the Iced Earth Tim Owens albums sucking were Schaffer's fault.

The Blaze era of Iron Maiden has some great songs.
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Post by: Cool Chris on June 12, 2010, 03:28:07 PM
If the Blaze era shows us anything, it is that how important is Bruce Dickinson and Adrian Smith to the band's sound and songs.

Yeah, I almost think of that period as the sans Bruce and Adrian era more than as the Blaze era, since their absence had more of an impact on Maiden's sound than Blaze's presence did. Just like I think of Dream Theater's 1995-1998 period as the 'disputes with the record label and internal disagreements' era more than as the Derek Sherinian era.

Every band that is around for such a long time is going to go through peaks and valleys. Luckily this valley still produced some solid songs that rank high in IM's catalog.
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Post by: GuineaPig on June 12, 2010, 04:04:55 PM
Not as bad as the sans-H Bruce era, imo.
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Post by: Perpetual Change on June 12, 2010, 06:12:08 PM
This post makes my head explode.

If anything they became more uninspired, bland, and boring as songwriters during the Blaze years. Top that off with a completely noneffective use of Blaze's vocal abilities and you get two mediocre albums.

I just can't agree with this.   Virtual XI is as good as any Iron Maiden album. Lightning Strikes Twice, The Educated Fool, The Clansman, and Como Estais Amigo are all fantastic, and the rest of the album ain't bad. Como Estais Amigo and The Educated Fool are also a lot more like the more mature writing I think you see in the reunion albums than the 80s stuff.
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Post by: TAC on June 12, 2010, 06:20:40 PM
Not as bad as the sans-H Bruce era, imo.
Possibly.

... and The Educated Fool are also a lot more like the more mature writing I think you see in the reunion albums than the 80s stuff.

hmm..interesting thought.. Hey, there were plenty of GREAT ideas on those two albums, and I mean GREAT IDEAS, but there just wasn't the right band dynamic to bring them to proper being.
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Post by: wolfking on June 12, 2010, 06:34:29 PM
The X Factor is my favourite Maiden album.
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Post by: MykeHavoc on June 12, 2010, 08:02:13 PM
At times for me it is.

Sign of the Cross
Lord of the Flies
Man on the Edge
Blood on the World's Hands
2AM

All strong songs. Plus the two bonus cuts from the Eddie's archives box set.
Great album and really sets the mood for those depressing times. Kind of when I like to put on
Promised Land from Queesryche.


The Tim Owens era of Iced Earth is hardly terrible. Both albums he sings on are two of the strongest records in the
entire Discography. You whining wussy Barlow psychos need to get over it. I love Matt, but Tim is leaps and bounds superior
in singing in nearly every facet.
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Post by: Perpetual Change on June 12, 2010, 09:41:57 PM
hmm..interesting thought.. Hey, there were plenty of GREAT ideas on those two albums, and I mean GREAT IDEAS, but there just wasn't the right band dynamic to bring them to proper being.

Maiden's discography up until the Blaze albums is, from a lyrical standpoint, very deeply rooted in history, the supernatural, and literary works and movies.  It's not until the Blaze albums really that you start hearing Maiden write from that deeply personal, "realistic" point of view. I doubt Maiden could have gotten to the level of songs like "The Thin Line Between Love and Hate" and "Face in the Sand" and "Journeyman" without those Blaze songs first.
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Post by: Mladen on June 13, 2010, 05:11:14 AM
The X Factor is an absolutely amazing release, and my 3rd favorite Iron Maiden album overall. There aren't many songs that are memorable after the very first listen, but there are plenty of great riffs, epic solos, fantastic lyrics, and an amazing vocal performance by Blaze Bayley. I really think Blaze sounds awesome on this album, his dark and subtle voice fits perfectly, and I seriously doubt even the best singer in the world (Bruce Dickinson) could match that. I actually think this is one of the most important albums in their career - if you listen to A Matter of life and death, you can still feel the elements from The X Factor present. It's just a fabulous record that I'll never get tired of. And, by the way, it contains my all time favorite song - Sign of the cross.

Virtual XI is a pretty damn good album as well, although easily one of my lesser favorites. Blaze doesn't sound quite as good, which maybe has to do with some of the tunes sounding more cheesy and happy. It's still more accessible than The X Factor, due to some catchier tunes. My favorites here are The Clansman, Como estais amigos, Futureal and The Educated fool. Even The Angel and the gambler is a fun ditty, although I agree the chorus didn't need to be repeated 20 times. It's an enjoyable album overall, and there's nothing about it that should make Iron Maiden ashamed.

When it comes to the live performances from Blaze era, that's where the problem is. We've all heard how do The Trooper, Hallowed be thy name and some more songs sound with Blaze on vocals. All I have to say is: Maiden should have changed the tuning to fit Bayley's voice better. That would give a new special spark to some of their older songs, and I would have been the first to accept the change. It's weird that Steve and the guys didn't realize at the time that Blaze wouldn't be the right guy for Bruce's stuff.

It's not that Blaze is a bad singer - if you check out his solo albums, you'll be blown away. I think he's got the most consistent band in the last 10 years in terms of quality of studio albums. I've seen him live a couple of years ago, doing an incredible acoustic show. Believe me, a bad singer can't sound so incredible with only one guitar beside him. It was impressive. He even stayed for two straight hours after the gig and signed everybody's ticket. What a guy.
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Post by: wolfking on June 13, 2010, 05:47:31 AM
All strong songs. Plus the two bonus cuts from the Eddie's archives box set.

YES!!!  Judgement Day and Justice of the Peace are such good tracks!!  And the Japan/vinyl only cut I Live my Way is killer also.  The X Factor should have been a double album with these three tracks included!!
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 13, 2010, 07:10:14 AM
All I have to say is: Maiden should have changed the tuning to fit Bayley's voice better.

Absolutely this.  My brother and I were discussing this the other night, I think Blaze wasn't really given a fair chance during his time in Maiden.  There were plenty of changes that could've been made to accommodate him, like changing keys etc, but sadly nothing like that happened.
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Post by: wolfking on June 13, 2010, 07:18:29 AM
All I have to say is: Maiden should have changed the tuning to fit Bayley's voice better.

Absolutely this.  My brother and I were discussing this the other night, I think Blaze wasn't really given a fair chance during his time in Maiden.  There were plenty of changes that could've been made to accommodate him, like changing keys etc, but sadly nothing like that happened.

Simply tuning the guitars to Eb would have made a huge difference for Blaze, he would have been more comfortable and much easier to listen to.  It's actually amusing that they are not playing songs like the Trooper on the new tour, cause during the Blaze period this was the perfect time to give that song and a lot of the others a rest.  Blaze should have never been made to sing the Trooper.
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Post by: Mladen on June 13, 2010, 07:28:38 AM
Simply tuning the guitars to Eb would have made a huge difference for Blaze, he would have been more comfortable and much easier to listen to. 
I was thinking Db, actually. It may seem like a HUGE difference, but I'm sure it would make sense after a while.
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Post by: ariich on June 13, 2010, 07:30:53 AM
You are not alone Dark Lord, while they're not Maiden's best albums, they're still solid additions to the catalogue. Virtual XI is great (though I seem to be in the minority in thinking that) and X Factor has some really good stuff, but just suffers from being very bloated. Way too much filler.
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Post by: GuineaPig on June 13, 2010, 07:35:24 AM
With better performances by Blaze and a proper mix, the X Factor would've kicked some serious ass, and Virtual XI would've been pretty damn good too.  Those albums got robbed.
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Post by: MykeHavoc on June 13, 2010, 08:23:07 AM
Db would make the songs nearly unrecognizable. I'd have been happy with Eb or D. Strangely, that's the one thing it seems Steve will never budge on is the tuning. That's why I love Bruce's solo work. He was never afraid to experiment with new tunings. I admire the determination to keep that straight consistent sound, but at times it can get stale.
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Post by: yorost on June 13, 2010, 10:06:01 AM
Nobody has mentioned Virus, have they?  Great song off Best of the Beast.

Live for Blaze was also a problem with Maiden as he turned out to be allergic to something in the sets, no?
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Post by: ariich on June 13, 2010, 10:19:09 AM
Nobody has mentioned Virus, have they?  Great song off Best of the Beast.
Good point, definitely one of my favourite Blaze era songs. :tup
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Post by: yorost on June 13, 2010, 10:33:58 AM
Did they ever played it live?
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Post by: Zydar on June 13, 2010, 10:35:22 AM
Virus is actually alright, mostly because of some great guitar stuff in it.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 13, 2010, 03:03:39 PM
I'm not sure if Maiden ever played Virus live, Blaze does though.  Or did, I don't follow his career enough to know if he still does.
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Post by: Fuzzboy on June 13, 2010, 03:39:35 PM
I have a Blaze-era bootleg where they DID tune to Eb.

Edit: Actually, let me make sure I'm remembering correctly.

Edit 2: Yeah I was wrong. Must have been thinking of another band.
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Post by: wolfking on June 14, 2010, 04:00:23 AM
I have a Blaze-era bootleg where they DID tune to Eb.

Edit: Actually, let me make sure I'm remembering correctly.

Edit 2: Yeah I was wrong. Must have been thinking of another band.

At first I was like  :o, but then I  :hat
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Post by: wolfking on June 14, 2010, 04:02:13 AM
Simply tuning the guitars to Eb would have made a huge difference for Blaze, he would have been more comfortable and much easier to listen to. 
I was thinking Db, actually. It may seem like a HUGE difference, but I'm sure it would make sense after a while.

I think that would be too low.  If you listen to Priest doing the classics with Owens, they were in D, i agree they songs did sound like the songs, but at teh same time were drastically different IMO.  Maiden in Db, would be too low I think. But if Blaze sounded comfortable and in tune then it may be a different story.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2010, 04:05:31 AM
Virus is performed on Blaze's As Live As it Gets album and is very awesome.  The few B-sides from the Blaze era of IM are really good.  I have them from the Best of the B-Sides album that came with Eddies Archive.

I really enjoy the x-factor, but as most people say, the production is just terrible and turns most listeners away.  The music is very good and is really the turning point that lead to Maiden's current sound.  I see the X-Factor as sounding a lot like AMOLAD.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 14, 2010, 09:16:43 PM
Just dropping by to say Futureal is amazing.
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Post by: UnutterableSquid on June 14, 2010, 10:29:49 PM
It has its good songs, but it is clearly the worst 2 album run in the history of Maiden.

I'd more or less agree.

Comparatively, they just aren't really all that good.

That said, I still really like both Virtual XI and The X-Factor.

And the Blaze era produced one of my favorite Maiden songs: The Clansman.
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Post by: Scard on June 15, 2010, 12:11:42 AM
I like a handful of songs from the era, like around 8 or so. I definitely prefer Dickinson and Di'Anno over Blaze, but he's alright.
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Post by: ariich on June 15, 2010, 12:48:43 PM
The Clansman is great, as is Como Estas Amigos. The best Blaze-era song is probably Sign of the Cross though.
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Post by: TAC on June 15, 2010, 01:02:26 PM
The Clansman is great, as is Como Estas Amigos. The best Blaze-era song is probably Sign of the Cross though.
I completely agree about Sign Of The Cross.

Como Estas Amigos has never really done anything for me though.
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Post by: Nick on June 15, 2010, 01:08:43 PM
Como is an good song, but nothing great. And that is where the Blaze years lose a lot of points for me. Sure, they have 2-3 awesome songs each, which almost all Maiden albums do, but if you go deeper than that my next favorite tracks aren't nearly as good as my 4th or 5th favorite tracks on other Maiden records. Compare Lightning Strikes Twice or Como so songs like Brave New World or Flash of the Blade or Die With Your Boots On and it's no competition.
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Post by: GuineaPig on June 15, 2010, 01:08:57 PM
Como Estais Amigos is by far the most underrated Maiden song, imo.
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Post by: TAC on June 15, 2010, 01:20:00 PM
Como Estais Amigos is by far the most underrated Maiden song, imo.
After kind of having this discussion a couple of months ago, I actually gave CEA a dedicated listen. It still did not jump out at me.

One Blaze era song that I never see anyone giving any love is The Educated Fool. And vocally, I think it'd be perfect for Bruce, especially the chorus.

My handful of underrated songs:
Another Life
The Duellists
The Prophecy
No Prayer For The Dying
Fear Is The Key
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Post by: Zydar on June 15, 2010, 01:24:53 PM
Speaking of underrated songs: Judas Be My Guide :metal
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Post by: TAC on June 15, 2010, 01:30:23 PM
Speaking of underrated songs: Judas Be My Guide :metal
To me it's still a 3rd tier Maiden song, but it is still very enjoyable. There's certainly nothing wrong with it..so yes! I do agree.
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Post by: Mladen on June 15, 2010, 01:36:14 PM
Back in the village, Can I play with madness and Wildest dreams.

All underrated, but somehow manage to make my top 10. All amazingly catcy.  :metal
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Post by: El Barto on June 15, 2010, 01:41:00 PM
I listened to XFactor on the drive back from Houston the other day and enjoyed it.  Edge of Darkness is cool.  The music really fits the story.  It's a shame they didn't add one more section to it to expand on Kurtz before the genius must die part. 
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Post by: GuineaPig on June 15, 2010, 02:00:35 PM
It's a shame that Edge of Darkness has some incredibly cringe-worthy lines, because besides them the lyrics are very good.  Though I wish the lyrics weren't so copy-pasted from the movie.
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Post by: TAC on June 15, 2010, 02:01:27 PM
I listened to XFactor on the drive back from Houston the other day and enjoyed it.  Edge of Darkness is cool.  The music really fits the story.  It's a shame they didn't add one more section to it to expand on Kurtz before the genius must die part. 
Bart..thank you thank you thank you....THAT is my whole problem with this album..always a section too long or too short or too choppy. While many say that the album needs better production, I agree in that the production was lacking in terms of the arranging and balancing within each song.

Some great, and I mean GREAT ideas throughout, and apparently for some, these ideas carried the album for them. But to me, The X Factor had MASTERPIECE written all over it, but it never delivered due to the band dynamic.
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Post by: El Barto on June 15, 2010, 03:30:11 PM
My cringe-worthy issue is with trying to squeeze in "terminate with extreme prejudice."  I'm fine with direct quotes from the film, and in most cases they're excellent within the song.  Seems like Ari was insisting on including a catchphrase and they tried to cram it in.

Still, the rapid tempo part in the middle fits well with the theme of finding Kurtz. I just wish (along with TAC, apparently) they'd added one more section to better incorporate him.  It seems like the song just kind of abruptly jumps to killing Kurtz and then ends. 
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Post by: Perpetual Change on June 15, 2010, 04:03:54 PM
I love the Educated Fool
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Post by: RobD on June 15, 2010, 04:52:01 PM
Blaze singing Afraid To Shoot Strangers is miles better than Bruce singing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c9iYZdsZMM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c9iYZdsZMM)

And whilst, I'm watching Visions of the Beast, I had almost forgotten about this little gem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0lk65vZVNo&feature=channel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0lk65vZVNo&feature=channel)
:metalol:
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Post by: Cool Chris on June 15, 2010, 04:55:59 PM
I just wish (along with TAC, apparently) they'd added one more section to better incorporate him.  It seems like the song just kind of abruptly jumps to killing Kurtz and then ends. 

I was listening to this song today myself (as this thread has inspired me to listen to these two albums. That briefing is one of my all-time favorite film scenes. It does seem like the song couldn’t decide if it wanted to focus on that scene, or the story as a whole, and as a result comes out choppy. The core of the film exists in that scene though and the song could have survived perfectly fine if it were based solely on that conversation.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 15, 2010, 07:36:56 PM
This thread has also inspired me to re-listen to the Blaze era albums.  Nicko's drum sound on the X Factor is ballsy as, his toms sound so sweet and the overall sound is very roomy.  So good. 

Its weird that even though Blaze is generally thought to have a lower register than Bruce, he can't sing the 'come to wash my sins away' line (Sign of the Cross) in key, he just whispers it.  Compare this to Bruce's version on RiR where he sings 'away' in key with his chest voice. 

Bruce's range: |________________________|

Blaze's:             |_________________|


I think Blaze's darker tone is much more suited to the songs on the two albums, X Factor especially.   
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: MykeHavoc on June 15, 2010, 09:40:14 PM
I too love The Educated Fool. Might be my favorite track off of XI.

I will say that I've seen some rough live videos. His take on the Clairvoyant (my favorite Maiden track EVER) was god awful and completely out of key. I mean not ONE note proper. But I would like a proper live release with him. I hope that the next DVD in the history line has a few Blaze shows on it.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: wolfking on June 17, 2010, 04:30:28 AM
Educated Fool is the best song on VX1.  Amazing song!
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: wolfking on June 17, 2010, 04:31:05 AM
Speaking of underrated songs: Judas Be My Guide :metal

This song is in my top 5 maiden songs.  It is in fact criminally underrated.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: InstrumentalFiasco on June 24, 2010, 02:42:23 AM
I never post here but been browsing and I had to add to the Blaze discussion!. I for one am a big fan of the Blaze Era, maybe not so much Virtual XI but X Factor is classic. My favorite maiden albums have always been the middle 5, The Number of the Beast through 7th Son. But X Factor despite having weird vocals and production, the songs are really good. So many good solos, instrumental sections everywhere, maybe the songs are to long and repetitive for most people but I enjoy it. Virtual XI would have been great if Bruce sang on it. I really love COE and The Educated Fool also.

My Maiden list would go something like this.

1. Somewhere in Time
2. The Number of the Beast
3. Brave New World
4. 7th Son of a 7th Son
5. Powerslave
6. Piece of Mind
7. The X Factor
8. Iron Maiden
9. Dance of Death
10. Killers
11. A Matter of Life and Death
12. Virtual XI
13. No Prayer for the Dying
14. Fear of the Dark

NPFTD and FOTD are total crapfests.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: TAC on June 24, 2010, 06:22:14 AM
Wolfsbane recording a new album?
https://www.bravewords.com/news/141375
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: Mladen on June 24, 2010, 07:01:11 AM
Whoa!

That's what happens when I don't follow the works of Blaze for a while...  :metal
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: yorost on June 24, 2010, 02:54:34 PM
Virtual XI would have been great if Bruce sang on it. I really love COE and The Educated Fool also.
Odd, I thought Blaze was a highlight of the album. :p  Actually, what you say is really sensible as Virtual XI was kind of like a step out of X Factor mode into incorporating some more classic Maiden sensibilities.  Honestly, with Dickinson on it I feel as though it would have been an album of roughly the same quality but held in much higher esteem.

That's what happens when I don't follow the works of Blaze for a while...  :metal
I think Blaze has mentioned something about wanting to do this prior to The Man Who Would Not Die was released.  Great to see it actually coming, although I've never gotten into Wolfsbane despite loving BLAZE and Blaze's time in Maiden.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: Mladen on June 25, 2010, 08:17:39 AM
I'm really into their debut album, Live fast die fast. The thing is, that was some fun teenage heavy metal, and I have no idea what the band will sound like after all these years...
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: Chagny on June 26, 2010, 12:48:14 PM
Blaze-era Maiden was good, but definitely a low point for the band as far as overall music quality.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: Zook on June 26, 2010, 06:01:03 PM
I put on The X Factor to give it a fair chance since I never have. First listen: I didn't make it passed Sign of the Cross, but I was tired. I ended up dreaming about Within Temptation for some reason... Anyway, second listen: The more this album spins, the more I wonder why the hell they picked Blaze. There's no life in his voice most of the time. Fortunes of War was horrible. It's a shame they used ideas from its solo section for Dream of Mirrors. I'm not in agony listening to this album, but it's not that great at all. And since I'm gathering my thoughts as the album plays, I'm noticing that Blaze's singing actually does improve.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: Nick on June 26, 2010, 06:25:52 PM
As much as I often dislike Blaze era Maiden, it's not because Blaze can't sing, the blame once again shifts to Harris. Blaze sounds excellent on everything I've heard him on outside of Maiden, it's just that Harris did not use him well at all.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: ariich on June 27, 2010, 04:41:09 AM
I agree with that. I mean, Maiden have always had songs where the song title gets repeated over and over, but with Bruce they also make his voice vary each time, and make other small changes in the music, so that it doesn't get too tedious. Whereas the songs on Blaze's albums that did that just sounded like exactly the same thing over and over.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: Zook on June 27, 2010, 07:35:12 AM
The Angel and the Gambler wouldn't be so bad if the chorus wasn't repeated a thousand times.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: Darkes7 on June 27, 2010, 07:39:20 AM
I just find it incredibly inconsistent. Some songs are amazing (The Clansman is easily in my Iron Maiden top 5, and I mean the studio version), some are plain weak, some could be better. The problem is definitely the songwriting, Blaze is an excellent vocalist in my opinion and he doesn't bring anything down at any point - quite the opposite, there are things I can't imagine anyone else sing.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: Seventh Son on June 27, 2010, 10:02:19 AM
I never post here but been browsing and I had to add to the Blaze discussion!. I for one am a big fan of the Blaze Era, maybe not so much Virtual XI but X Factor is classic. My favorite maiden albums have always been the middle 5, The Number of the Beast through 7th Son. But X Factor despite having weird vocals and production, the songs are really good. So many good solos, instrumental sections everywhere, maybe the songs are to long and repetitive for most people but I enjoy it. Virtual XI would have been great if Bruce sang on it. I really love COE and The Educated Fool also.

My Maiden list would go something like this.

1. Somewhere in Time
2. The Number of the Beast
3. Brave New World
4. 7th Son of a 7th Son
5. Powerslave
6. Piece of Mind
7. The X Factor
8. Iron Maiden
9. Dance of Death
10. Killers
11. A Matter of Life and Death
12. Virtual XI
13. No Prayer for the Dying
14. Fear of the Dark

NPFTD and FOTD are total crapfests.


TNotB and SiT are middle of the pack albums for me, personally. Both albums have a bit of filler in them. Also, AMOLAD is in my top 5, I love that album to death, but I suppose I belong in the minority for that one. I never got why people put Somewhere in Time as their #1, its the weakest of their first seven albums to me. It would probably be #11, if it were me.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: Darkes7 on June 27, 2010, 03:01:01 PM
I definitely love the last two albums as well, it's more difficult in case of Brave New World since I haven't heard it for ages but I have very good memories of it.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: ConstantMotion on July 25, 2010, 04:21:19 AM
You're not the only one. I love those two albums.  :metal

The X Factor is superior in every way to Virtual XI, but still, both are great albums.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: RobD on July 26, 2010, 04:30:54 PM
Been watching Blaze era live videos all day. Watched Chile 1996 earlier, currently watching Curitiba 1998 about halfway through. I really wish I had got to see Maiden in the period...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dY2RcOTKVg&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dY2RcOTKVg&feature=related)

:metal

EDIT: Someone needs to make a gif of Blaze at the 0:58 drum fill:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwxwxpKiQWU&feature=PlayList&p=BA7DD65DC29BB910&index=60&playnext=5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwxwxpKiQWU&feature=PlayList&p=BA7DD65DC29BB910&index=60&playnext=5)
:lol
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: TAC on August 03, 2010, 08:17:40 AM
Just finished cutting the lawn to Promise & Terror. What an incredible album. The Trace Of Things That Have No Words is my Song Of The Year so far.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: Mladen on August 03, 2010, 09:06:58 AM
My song of the year has to be 1633.  :metal
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2010, 04:59:09 PM
Yeah, I was just coming to post about Promise and Terror.  What a killer album.  Extremely consistent with amazing metal all the way through.

Some great emotional lyrics from Blaze and certainly one of his best performances to date.  There's quite a lot to take in on this album, but extremelly solid all the way through.

My only complaint when comparing to The Man Who Would Not Die was that's it's not as heavy.  I loved that album simply because of how heavy it was.  P&T seems more polished, but equally if not more enjoyable.
Title: Re: Am I the only man who really likes the Iron Maiden Blaze era?
Post by: MykeHavoc on August 03, 2010, 05:34:28 PM
My only complaint with Blaze's singing about 5 years back was his vibrato tended to shift into slightly sharp territory. I haven't gotten around to getting his last few records, so I'll have to do some detective work to track'em down.