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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: moffatt on February 19, 2010, 03:50:40 AM
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So i was reading through the I+W/8VM song by song rank thread and i see alot of people don't have much love for this song. I think this song kicks ass. The way it builds up the whole way through the unleash the heavy riff after the solo which i think is one of the best heavy riff's DT have done, then the way it hits straight into the chorus then to the really cool outro. MP's drumming on this song i have to say is amazing, especially during the end. Also the score performance of this song is amazing, i prefer it to the studio version myself, it fits perfect with the orchestra. But what do you guys think?
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I love it. And I'm so glad that I got to see it live last year. I can't help but sing along to the chorus when it comes.
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I think it's a great song. The vibe of the intro piano and vocals fits the lyrical matter perfectly, and the instrumental section is one of their most powerful. I remember when I first got the album, I'd listen to that outro repeatedly. That orchestra gives the song so much impact.
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The chord progression is so predictable and cliché. Even the instrumental section doesn't do anything for me, it lacks some originality. It's certainly not one of my favorites...
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The chord progression is so predictable and cliché. Even the instrumental section doesn't do anything for me, it lacks some originality. It's certainly not one of my favorites...
Which part of the chord progression? There's nothing predictable about it.
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Great song, my fourth favourite on the album; I'd rate it 9/10. The last four minutes are amazing, and JLB's vocal delivery is very good.
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The outro is excellent, very powerful and dramatic.
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Great song, my fourth favourite on the album; I'd rate it 9/10. The last four minutes are amazing, and JLB's vocal delivery is very good.
This almost exactly (although I don't rate it a 9 - maybe an 8). I was glad I got to see it performed at RCMH.
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Which part of the chord progression? There's nothing predictable about it.
The verses and chorus. So old and worn out...
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Which part of the chord progression? There's nothing predictable about it.
The verses and chorus. So old and worn out...
Have you got any examples of other previous songs that have worn out this apparently cliche pattern, or are you content just throwing around empty criticisms? I've heard the chorus pattern used before, but it's not at all done in a cliche way, and the verse pattern of I, VI, II, V isn't exactly run of the mill, especially with the way the chords overlap the bass note.
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I'm not a drummer so this will be impossible to describe well, but I love towards the end how when the whole band is doing the main riff MP steps it up a notch and puts it into what sounds like 4/4, it really drives it even more. Not such a fan of the instrumental section though, which apparently makes me weird.
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I'm not a drummer so this will be impossible to describe well, but I love towards the end how when the whole band is doing the main riff MP steps it up a notch and puts it into what sounds like 4/4, it really drives it even more.
Yeah, I absolutely LOVE this. You're right, the rest of the band is in 6/8, and then Portnoy switches to 4/4, sounds soooo awesome. Also love the syncopation in JP's guitar in the vocal section immediately following, during "teach them what to think and feel." Dream Theater are pretty good at that whole musicianship thing...
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The last four minutes are amazing, and JLB's vocal delivery is very good.
"teach them what to think and feel."
:2metal:
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The last four minutes are amazing, and JLB's vocal delivery is very good.
"teach them what to think and feel."
:2metal:
That was exactly the line I was thinking about when I wrote that part.
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The guitar solo almost sounds like a plane screeching into a building. Fits the theme of the song well.
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It's one of my least favorites but the instrumental section and outro are pretty good.
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I love one riff and the chorus, but other than that it's pretty meh.
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Love it. Great song.
I'm not a drummer so this will be impossible to describe well, but I love towards the end how when the whole band is doing the main riff MP steps it up a notch and puts it into what sounds like 4/4, it really drives it even more.
Yeah, I absolutely LOVE this. You're right, the rest of the band is in 6/8, and then Portnoy switches to 4/4, sounds soooo awesome. Also love the syncopation in JP's guitar in the vocal section immediately following, during "teach them what to think and feel." Dream Theater are pretty good at that whole musicianship thing...
Yes!
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SS = Meh.
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I think it's a great song. The vibe of the intro piano and vocals fits the lyrical matter perfectly, and the instrumental section is one of their most powerful. I remember when I first got the album, I'd listen to that outro repeatedly. That orchestra gives the song so much impact.
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It's got some cool instrumental stuff going on, but overall it's not great and the lyrics are not good either (I generally don't like lyrics of this nature). It warrants a listen every once in awhile.
-J
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My second fav. on the album. The solo is so damn erie. The chaos in the first half of the solo to the almost weeping emotional second half. It brings so many emotions that I remember about 9/11.
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i think its a great song and my 2nd favorite on the ablum as well! i'd give it a 9/10
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Have you got any examples of other previous songs that have worn out this apparently cliche pattern, or are you content just throwing around empty criticisms? I've heard the chorus pattern used before, but it's not at all done in a cliche way, and the verse pattern of I, VI, II, V isn't exactly run of the mill, especially with the way the chords overlap the bass note.
Sorry, pal, you can't expect me to name a bunch of songs with the exact same chord progression. I just say that pattern of I, VI, II, V in the verse feels like déjà vu, just because it sounds so simple, predictable and unoriginal. Which is too bad, because this is DT, one of the few bands that rarely lack originality in terms of patterns, chord progressions and stuff.
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JP's guitar solo on this song wins..
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Awesome song, one of my favorites off Octavarium. Saw them play it live with the 9-11 video clips and it made it 10 times better than it already was (which is awesome).
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Good song, just seems to drag on a bit.
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For some strange reason I almost never listen to this song without listening to the whole album but I like whole song very much and 6:24-7:50 is absolute awesomeness
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The chord progression is common and predictable. However, I really like the layering that Petrucci and Rudess did on this song. It disguises the familiarity when combined with Labrie's vocal part. Having a familiar chord progression isn't necessarily bad, it just depends on how you utilize it in the song.
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Song is amazing in my opinion :tup
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I'm not a huge fan of the vocal parts of the song, but the 4:11 onward instrumental is one of the sexiest, finest slices of dream theater's music in existence. I'll often put it on just to listen from that part onwards.
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certainly a lot of different views on this song, and yer i never realised the solo does kind of sound like a plane crashing, very clever one there JP :p