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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3675 on: March 07, 2019, 09:11:55 AM »


I'll never not miss DeGarmo's contribution to the overall end product of a QR album but I continue to be happy to get QR with Wilton's contribution back to where it should be.

This. As much as I've drifted away from what the current band is doing now, its nice to see Wilton's imprint again for sure. But I think this point has some merit:

I just wish that Wilton progressed a bit more with his solos. 

That really nailed it. Michael has a very distinct solo style that hasn't really evolved too much over the years. They are great, and you know Whip when you hear him. And its always good to hear Whip rip one off. But I found myself more preferring the slower kind of moodier solo like he added to "The Great Divide" when they played that live. Because it was a little different from what he usually does (although that was 16 years ago). Wilton's solos are always killer, they just don't really deviate much from what he usually does. At least not to my ear.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3676 on: March 08, 2019, 05:36:39 PM »
Looks like their last show consisted of 15 songs and so we're heading in the right direction :) 

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« Reply #3677 on: March 10, 2019, 04:45:51 PM »
I'm on my third spin now.   I keep getting more impressed by this album. 

Surprised to see the hate for Propaganda Fashion.   That chorus is one of the catchiest of the TLT era. 

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3678 on: March 10, 2019, 07:14:44 PM »
Propaganda Fashion didn't do much for me on the first couple of spins but now I can't get enough of it  :metal  There were a few songs on Condition Human that I never cared for--Selfish Lives, Liquid Remedy, All There Was--but I can honestly say that I enjoy every second of The Verdict.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3679 on: March 11, 2019, 03:59:09 PM »
So I have heard The Verdict a few times in my car. That means I don't know any of the names, and pretty much only know them by number.
So far, my Top 3 are #'s 1,7&9.

So:
Blood Of The Levent
Bent
Launder The Conscience


I must say that Todd's drumming is  :metal :metal :metal

And holy shit, does he sound like Geoff Tate on this.

Stylewise, to me, it sits between Mindcrime and Empire.

I think this album is excellent.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3680 on: March 11, 2019, 04:07:54 PM »
Todd was great last night.  Nice set too. I like the visuals they had for the stage.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3681 on: March 12, 2019, 08:44:18 AM »
... I don't blame them for that. But man, it really sounds nothing like what made them distinct in the first place. The Verdict is a really good album. But it has very little in common with classic Queensryche, other than Wilton's signature solo style, and a few melodic flourishes here and there. Otherwise, its just a prog metal band stretching its new creativity.
This is the "problem" with them having the Queensr˙che name. They're damned if they just play all the old songs, and make albums that sound like the old stuff; and they're damned if they don't - losing some of the older stuff, and making records that have their own style and sound.
It must be tough constantly having to cater to 1 of 2 (or 3) groups of people, who all want you to do separate things.

It really depends on the creative direction of the band as major members change. I like to use Helloween as an example. One of the things that always stands out is how well the Kiske era and the Deris era compliment each other. I have had playlists that feature both eras and it is not a blunt contrast. Seeing the Pumpkins United tour solidified my opinion that the two eras really do fit seamlessly. But even listening to Deris era live albums, he does justice to the Kiske era. Deris has his own style and the current version of Helloween has its own voice, but it, to me anyway, is still Helloween.

I don't think I ever felt that way about Queensryche under TLT. Yes, one of his shows on the Return to History tour is in my top 5 all-time Queensryche shows. But I really don't think his voice is really suited for much of the back catalog post Warning with few exceptions (I really thought I Am I worked well with his vocals). Having just saw the band twice last week (Baltimore and NYC), I found myself enjoying a lot more the music from the TLT-fronted albums, and I would not mind at all if they were playing 75% of their set from his time in the band. With The Verdict, they really found their own voice as a band and it is not classic Queensryche the way Helloween continues to hold a connection to in my opinion. The more I listen to The Verdict, which I do believe is a solid album, the more I am of the opinion that they should have let the Queensryche name retire. Hold on to it from a legal perspective so Tate can't use it, but at the same time don't use either. I think you make a good point, Setzer, that by using that name, it carries certain expectations and when you try to be all things to everyone, you usually end up failing on all fronts. Kudos for them really not trying to be classic Queensryche on this album (a net positive I think comes in part from the lack of SRock providing any input at all). I realize it is much too late to rebrand the musical collective, but they should have stuck with Rising West or come up with some other name because much of that old stuff TLT simply can't do enough justice to and a name change would have changed the expectations.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3682 on: March 12, 2019, 08:57:03 AM »
Looks like their last show consisted of 15 songs and so we're heading in the right direction :)

Starting with Baltimore, they bumped up to 15 songs. Based on the commentary on the official FB page that "the band" is posting, it is only an 80-90 minute show, and the short show is being blamed on venues and curfew, which is total BS. If Queensryche wanted to be on stage for two hours, the tour would be structured as such. They simply are looking for the bare minimum to keep fans from complaining, as song #14 (SiD) and #15 (Take Hold) started appearing as many were reacting loudly to the short 13-song set that opened the tour for the first two nights (three if you count the casino show before the Monsters of Rock cruise that they were a part of).

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3683 on: March 12, 2019, 09:40:51 AM »
Here's the thing. To piggyback on what SW and Setzer are saying, Queensryche has become a much different band in comparison to the expectation that the name carries. And it should, as 3/5 of the original group, including 2/3 of the songwriting team, is different. And only the minor third of that original songwriting team remains. It IS different, and it SHOULD be. I think The Verdict is a really good album, and the best one with Todd La Torre. Other than Wilton's signature solo style, and some fills La Torre borrowed from Scott on drums, it sounds very little like Queensryche's past, and they've really gone their own direction. And as a former fan of theirs, I applaud them for it. They SHOULD be proud of what they accomplished.

The problem, however, is that they absolutely NEED the name, and NEED to play the classic QR material in order to make ends meet. They know it, promoters know it, fans know it. They would have left the Queensryche name alone in 2012 had promoters wanted them as Rising West, or under another name. They didn't, and that made them push to take the Queensryche name, which they ultimately did. That's fact.

From a stamina perspective, while I personally (and most of us in general) can't obviously sing the way La Torre does, he  clearly doesn't have the stamina to give people a show that many expected from the Queensryche name -- a big headline set. The fans will kiss ass and defend him, and defend the band. Whatever. The band knows, and TLT knows he can't deliver a 110-120 minute set consistently. And while I am sure there are some business reasons to the 85-90 minute (and sometimes shorter) headline set, there has only been ONE time in the TLT era that they've played for two hours. And that was the very first "official" QR gig with TLT as vocalist. And he ran out of steam and faltered by the end. They've never even gotten close to 2 hours ever again again. The facts don't lie. And my guess is, Queensryche never will deliver two hours on a regular basis ever again -- not with La Torre. I'll gladly eat my words if he proves me wrong and apologize if he does a whole tour with two-hour sets. But I'd bet a lot of cash on it that they won't. Because La Torre can't.

And as I said way too many times in the past, he does NOT sound good (to my ears) on anything starting with Mindcrime (some of it he sounds good, other parts not so much), but especially the Empire and PL material. And that material, particularly Mindcrime and Empire, is what people have come to see. Particularly casino gigs. And that's not a knock on TLT's voice. Its just naturally thinner than Tate's, and those songs were written for a deeper, more commanding voice. He tries, he pushes his larynx down to make things sound deeper (which is not quite what you want to do), but that's just not his voice. He does the best job he can do with material not written for him.

And they try to straddle the line with the fan base they are catering to. They try to please everyone by going out there and doing a balance of headline tours, casino gigs and other greatest hits gigs as openers, and then a metal festival here and there. Then a hair metal combination once in awhile. They are trying to touch all the bases. I get it. I get the business reasons why. I get them trying to also satisfy everyone. The more satisfied your customer base is, even if they aren't fully satisfied, the more likely it is they will still come to a show and buy some merch. But the bottom line is, they trot themselves out there as "Queensryche" because they own the name, and technically, and legally, they ARE Queensryche. But there comes a point where you take away so many of the parts that made the band distinct in the first place, and it becomes simply a shell of what it once was. The term "Frankenryche" offends some. Too bad. It fits.

So, when it comes to evaluating this band on its own merits, I think they are a solid band, with some solid material (2013 self-titled, Condition Human, The Verdict) that they should be proud of and emphasize playing that material. But if you hold this band, as currently constituted, and compare it with what it was with the original lineup of Queensryche...there's really no comparison. Two different bands entirely.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3684 on: March 12, 2019, 10:07:32 AM »
The term "Frankenryche" offends some. Too bad. It fits.

This is silly, even if you have a vendetta with the band / La Torre.
By this logic, the moment Chris left in 1998, the band became Frankenryche.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3685 on: March 12, 2019, 10:13:57 AM »
All I know is that if I went into a coma in 1992 and woke up on The Verdict’s release day, I wouldn’t even know it wasn’t Tate.

Sure the vocals lack the depth of Tate and the guitars lack the grace of Degarmo.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3686 on: March 12, 2019, 10:16:49 AM »
The term "Frankenryche" offends some. Too bad. It fits.

This is silly, even if you have a vendetta with the band / La Torre.
By this logic, the moment Chris left in 1998, the band became Frankenryche.

I don't have a vendetta with the band or La Torre. Don't assume stuff and insinuate something because of what you read from trolls and other BS. I don't like La Torre, and yes, we have history, sure (and not the history the troll board you frequent talks about and follows me around the Internet about - I closed BdR TWO YEARS AGO, but still get followed around by trolls - its laughable, and they are psychotic). But I can be objective, and I am. And anyone who knows me, knows I am. I say it how I see it, my own personal issues aside. And this is how I see it.

As for "Frankenryche" applying when Chris left in 1997, maybe. You can make that argument for sure, given his importance to the band's sound. But that was one part. Now the band is down THREE parts. And that makes a major difference. For example, its like losing a limb. You lose your left arm, and have a prosthetic, that's one thing. But Queensryche has lost its head, its torso, and its arms. You're telling me calling it "Frankenryche" is inaccurate?  ::)
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3687 on: March 12, 2019, 10:18:00 AM »
All I know is that if I went into a coma in 1992 and woke up on The Verdict’s release day, I wouldn’t even know it wasn’t Tate.

Sure the vocals lack the depth of Tate and the guitars lack the grace of Degarmo.

You admit the latter, but then still say the former?  ???

Opinions, and all that, but those two sentences seem to contradict one another, T.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3688 on: March 12, 2019, 10:23:20 AM »
I’m taking into account the depreciation of the voice.

In other words, using my 27 year coma scenario, if you told me it was Tate, I’d believe you.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3689 on: March 12, 2019, 11:09:25 AM »
I’m taking into account the depreciation of the voice.

In other words, using my 27 year coma scenario, if you told me it was Tate, I’d believe you.

Got ya. I disagree. Particularly on The Verdict. I think he sounds more like himself on this one. The self-titled, sure, that sounds very much like Tate. But I thought La Torre really imprinted himself well, vocally, on The Verdict. That was one of the high points for me -- I didn't get the feeling like he was trying to capture Tate. He was just being him. And that's why I liked it a lot.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3690 on: March 12, 2019, 03:19:40 PM »
Samsara, you can probably confirm this or not. I suck at using the bilboard charts site.

Wikipedia is saying that The Verdict debuted at 110 on the US Bilboard top 200 vs. number 27 which was where Condition Unknown debuted.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3691 on: March 12, 2019, 03:42:31 PM »
Samsara, you can probably confirm this or not. I suck at using the bilboard charts site.

Wikipedia is saying that The Verdict debuted at 110 on the US Bilboard top 200 vs. number 27 which was where Condition Unknown debuted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queensr%C3%BFche_discography

 I have no access to that kind of data. I don't remember where Condition Human debuted, but 27 seems about right. I remember it was a big drop off from the self-titled, which was...I think it was 14? I'd be pretty shocked if QR dropped from 27 to 110, however. If that's truly the case, that's a shame. Anyway, no, no idea on the chart debut. Sorry!
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« Reply #3692 on: March 12, 2019, 04:13:25 PM »
2013 self-titled topped at 23, selling 13,659 copies in its first week of release in the United States.
CH followed at 27, selling 14,000 copies in its first week of release in the United States.
The Verdict is indeed listed at 110: https://billboard.com/charts/billboard-200 - sales haven't been published yet AFAIK.

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« Reply #3693 on: March 12, 2019, 05:21:52 PM »
Apparently that means it charted lower than both Dedicated To Chaos and Frequency Unknown :|
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« Reply #3694 on: March 13, 2019, 12:13:47 AM »
Didn't the PledgeMusic purchases count as US sales for Condition Human? Since the campaign failed due to PM going to shit this time around, they didn't have that advantage.

EDIT: #16 in the album sales chart: https://www.billboard.com/music/queensryche/chart-history/top-album-sales

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« Reply #3695 on: March 13, 2019, 09:40:40 AM »
The term "Frankenryche" offends some. Too bad. It fits.

This is silly, even if you have a vendetta with the band / La Torre.
By this logic, the moment Chris left in 1998, the band became Frankenryche.

I'm on board with calling the albums that were virtually Tate solo albums Tateryche (I tend to include Q2k with that even though it was technically a band effort) where the rest of the band were maginalised in terms of songwriting, arrangements and overall sound of the albums.

Toddryche works for me for the most recent incarnation. Frankenryche just seems pejorative for a band back in form that sounds way more like classic QR on record than they had for years before they ditched Tate.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3696 on: March 13, 2019, 12:09:43 PM »
Vocal Coach Reacts to Take Hold of the Flame:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIHHrqzXAfs&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR17UuTEqPKCTjKvHHV3VWaXPCdIsNi2GzukIIYJddGbkeuVuVOY3bGmLdA

Pretty cool to hear a vocal coach break down classic Geoff Tate. and her reaction to Geoff's big high note on "children of the light" is awesome.


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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3697 on: March 13, 2019, 12:14:59 PM »
Yeah, RVA is pretty entertaining to watch.  I subscribe to her channel.  I'll definitely check that out later.

Her reactions to Ghost Love Score and Pisces are pretty entertaining.  If you want to watch some other ones that give good insight into vocal technique and translating what you are seeing/hearing some of your favorite vocalists doing, I would also recommend Beth Roars and VoiceHacks (Mary Z).  Those are great channels as well.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3698 on: March 13, 2019, 12:18:57 PM »
Propaganda Fashion – Did La Torre just say “mother fuckers” in a Queensryche song? Wow.

That was probably the least powerful utterance of that word I've ever heard.  :lol

The Verdict is a really solid album. There was a couple of tracks I'm not too keen on at least yet, but nothing I'd actively dislike. Think I liked it more than Distance Over Time. I've grown quite fond of Man the Machine.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3699 on: March 13, 2019, 12:22:14 PM »
those vids are good, but can often be way too praising.

I think my fav (cause it was just so honest) was this female vocal coach reviewing Queen at Live Aid and said she had to close her eyes because watching Freddie made him seem like he was preforming better (vocally) than he was. She was right. Dude was not sounding amazing, but his charisma just over shadowed it.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3700 on: March 13, 2019, 01:13:56 PM »
Unfortunately, The Verdict didn't really grow on me. I still think Man the machine was a brilliant single and truly a cool rocker, but none of the other songs is as great. There are good choruses, riffs and solos throughout, but not enough songs that stand out in their entirety. Even the album as a whole sounds like a bonus disc for Condition human with songs that weren't good enough for the album.

It's not a bad album, but it's average.

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« Reply #3701 on: March 13, 2019, 07:39:31 PM »
Just saw QR in Baltimore and it was a really good show. I was pleasantly surprised by Fates. I never really liked their stuff but I enjoyed their set.

QR was excellent. The played 15 songs, which is pretty standard with other bands Ive seen, and had a nice mix of old and new stuff. Condition human was excellent and my favorite of the night. I've seen QR with Todd 3 times and this was his best performance I've seen. I also really enjoyed the light show and the multimedia screens.

I must say, I'm really enjoying this incarnation of QR. The Verdict has grown on me and is my favorite of the last 3 albums. I'm thankful the band is still around and it putting out music I still enjoy.  I don't understand the negative nannies who call QR Frankenryche or complain about set list times. The length was pretty standard and there are many bands out there who only have 1 or 2 original members. Heck, there are some that have no original members. Doesn't DT also only have 2 original members?

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3702 on: March 14, 2019, 02:56:40 AM »
Even though I didn't love the album, I don't mind the line up changes. Bands change members and styles but keep their names all the time, it's nothing new.

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« Reply #3703 on: March 14, 2019, 07:53:01 AM »
Just saw QR in Baltimore and it was a really good show. I was pleasantly surprised by Fates. I never really liked their stuff but I enjoyed their set.

QR was excellent. The played 15 songs, which is pretty standard with other bands Ive seen, and had a nice mix of old and new stuff. Condition human was excellent and my favorite of the night. I've seen QR with Todd 3 times and this was his best performance I've seen. I also really enjoyed the light show and the multimedia screens.

I must say, I'm really enjoying this incarnation of QR. The Verdict has grown on me and is my favorite of the last 3 albums. I'm thankful the band is still around and it putting out music I still enjoy.  I don't understand the negative nannies who call QR Frankenryche or complain about set list times. The length was pretty standard and there are many bands out there who only have 1 or 2 original members. Heck, there are some that have no original members. Doesn't DT also only have 2 original members?

Be thankful and enjoy.

When Y&T two nights prior to Queensryche played the same Baltimore soundstage and offered up a 23-song, near 2.5 hour set which is typical of the four shows I have seen at that venue over the last five years, Queensryche's headlining set time becomes a major disappointment. The Neal Morse Band, same venue, with some stage production value, delivered a 2+hour set. Queensryche has no excuse not to, unless Todd simply does not have the stamina to pull it off.

As for the show itself, I was at the Baltimore show and it never felt like it gathered any momentum. It just kinda plodded along. I think part of it was the terrible sound mix that night. Fast forward to NYC two nights later, the show and the band felt more "on" and put on in my opinion a much stronger performance. It felt like it had more energy and it definitely sounded better. (Though I still think Fates ruled the night both times). I thought the material from The Verdict translated well live and I was left wanting more, especially after the NYC show. 85 minutes is not enough to do this catalog justice.

If Queensryche were charging $20 per ticket, I'd be more inclined to forgive a short set time. But when I paid an average of $43 a ticket between NYC and Baltimore, I am expecting a longer show. I am not just satisfied with them playing. And yes, I have the same complaint about Fates' headlining set on Friday, which clocked in at 90 minutes with a 16-song set. I would have been super excited if Queensryche used the Promised Land tour as a template with a longer than 2-hour set and playing across it the entire Verdict album. That would have been a killer show. But when they can't even play for 90 minutes considering the legacy and the size of the back catalog, it's an insult to their fans. The only way it will change is if people bitch (and if you follow the backlash on facebook, songs started getting added when people voiced their displeasure at the two opening nights' 75 minute sets). We as paying fans shouldn't be justifying them shortchanging us by simply being happy because they are playing, especially when their contemporaries in the prog world generally grace the stage for 2+ hours. I am pretty sure Dream Theater would get run out of town if they started playing 85 minutes sets when they are headlining their own tour. I don't understand why Queensryche fans are ok with being shortchanged.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3704 on: March 14, 2019, 07:56:33 AM »
Tickets were not expensive, I'm old, I wanted to get home before 3 am. :lol 

I'm ok with a 15 song setlist.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3705 on: March 14, 2019, 08:39:13 AM »
Tickets were not expensive, I'm old, I wanted to get home before 3 am. :lol 

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3706 on: March 14, 2019, 08:51:39 AM »
I've seen a lot of bands that didn't play longer than 90 minutes, and heard of others that played even less. As long as the price for that isn't too high, I've normally got no problem with it.

But QR has played longer sets in the past and we're all spoiled by DT's and other prog acts longer sets, so we're disappointed by the length.

That said I would probably still go if they play somewhere near me and the price is reasonable.

Must've been Kwyji sending all the wrong songs.   ;D

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3707 on: March 14, 2019, 08:56:35 AM »
If you take the 16 unique songs they played across two sets during the Monsters of Rock cruise (assuming the setlists on setlist.fm are correct), which adds Guardian and Walk in the Shadows and keeps both Selfish Lives and Toxic Remedy in the set instead of swapping one out for the other, keep in NM 156 and SiD in the set, which were not played on the MoR cruise but are a part of the tour, that is 18 songs. Add two more from The Verdict (or one from that and one classic not played yet by this line-up, like Deliverance) and you have a rock-solid 20-song set. The only change I would make in this scenario is drop Guardian since it got aired during the last tour and pick a song from any of the three TLT albums that has not been played live. And if you swap Guardian with another Verdict song and fill slots 19 and 20 with one Verdict and one classic, you have 5 tracks from the new album, four from the first two TLT albums and 11 classics. Hard to complain about a set like that.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3708 on: March 14, 2019, 09:31:27 AM »
I've seen a lot of bands that didn't play longer than 90 minutes, and heard of others that played even less. As long as the price for that isn't too high, I've normally got no problem with it.

But QR has played longer sets in the past and we're all spoiled by DT's and other prog acts longer sets, so we're disappointed by the length.

That said I would probably still go if they play somewhere near me and the price is reasonable.

It's all about the past for me.  Prior to Todd joining the band, a two-hour, 20-ish song set was normal for the band.  They always played a good chunk of new songs, plus a mix of older ones.  After Todd joined, that immediately changed.  It's easy to figure out the variable in that equation.  It's sad to see people defending the band over this set, simply because they finally added new songs, or bumped it up from 13 to 15, as if that makes any difference.  If my favorite band walked off stage after 70 minutes during a headlining set and I paid $40, I'd be so disappointed.   

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3709 on: March 15, 2019, 08:19:28 AM »
I don't think I've ever been to a show that had a headline set that lasted two hours? Maybe Iron Maiden? Nowadays tour packages give a little more space to the opener, or there are several openers. 13 songs is obviously too short, but 15 is already much better and a step in the right direction imo. If Todd knows he isn't one of the 10% of frontmen who can deliver two hour shows consistently, that's not a knock on him - his voice will be judged very harshly as it is. As he gets a few more years as a touring vocalist (he started after 40, right?) under his belt, he might dare to lengthen the set once he knows what he's comfortable with, or he might not, as he's getting older along with the rest of the guys. If this is truly on him and not on the guys wanting to shake things up.

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