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Offline jakepriest

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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7175 on: January 22, 2016, 06:11:11 PM »
Quote from: jayvee3 on January 22, 2016, 06:02:38 PM
Either way, while I liked MoB on the first couple of listens, its a grower, and now I think it's fucking amazing  :tup

Yeah, definitely. It's completely revived my love for DT tbh. Their best song since Breaking All Illusions. Can't wait to get my hands on the album.  :hefdaddy
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7176 on: January 22, 2016, 06:13:39 PM »
Who gets a "Final Fantasy" feel at 3:20 of MoB?
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7177 on: January 22, 2016, 07:20:55 PM »
Quote from: pringkaarwanda on January 22, 2016, 05:52:47 PM
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I love the odd time signature after the first chorus. It's almost dissonant, which is so different it's killer.

The cool thing is, that's actually 4/4 the whole way through, but in "Never leave a man behind", they subdivide it differently. Not sure what the musical term for it is, but the entire verse is in 4/4.
It's Metric Modulation, CMIIW  ;D
Since Mangini era, you can hear a lot of  this metric modulation. And yes, it just like the tempo of the song suddenly change
In Outro Moment of Betrayal (outro that used in trailer) you can hear this metric modulation again. It's still 4/4 with Original tempo but we feel like the tempo is suddenly change  :D

You can hear this also in Illumination Theory, Surrender to Reason and Behind the Veil. :)
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7178 on: January 22, 2016, 08:01:38 PM »
Quote from: noxon on January 22, 2016, 06:13:39 PM
Who gets a "Final Fantasy" feel at 3:20 of MoB?

I didn't, and I'm a Final Fantasy fanatic. I heard it immediately in Bridges in the Sky, for instance.
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7179 on: January 23, 2016, 03:44:19 AM »
Great song. For me it beats almost everything back to 8V . I love the rythm and groove of the verses..fairly enough Mangini isn't the big groover as Mike was, but he's a brutal nailer. Can't wait to hear this live in the beautiful Carre in Amsterdam in less than a month!  :metal
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7180 on: January 23, 2016, 04:17:05 AM »
Mangini CAN groove, for example the "what is right and what is wrong " section in On The Backs Of Angels.

Am I the only one who always thinks "Transatlantic" when "TA" is written by somebody?
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7181 on: January 23, 2016, 05:25:21 AM »
Quote from: Fritzinger on January 23, 2016, 04:17:05 AM
Am I the only one who always thinks "Transatlantic" when "TA" is written by somebody?

You're not alone  :lol
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7182 on: January 23, 2016, 06:45:08 AM »
I loved TGOM, but am not digging MOB for some reason. Oh, well. I'm still expecting nothing less than an awesome album.
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7183 on: January 23, 2016, 06:48:00 AM »
Can't get the chorus of Moment Of Betrayal out of my head.
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7184 on: January 23, 2016, 07:14:05 AM »
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Can't get the chorus of Moment Of Betrayal out of my head.

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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7185 on: January 23, 2016, 07:49:44 AM »
I'm losing time while waiting on this album so anxiously...I need to surrender to reason and just put it out of my mind for awhile. 
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7186 on: January 23, 2016, 09:04:22 AM »
Quote from: Estiui on January 23, 2016, 05:25:21 AM
Quote from: Fritzinger on January 23, 2016, 04:17:05 AM
Am I the only one who always thinks "Transatlantic" when "TA" is written by somebody?

You're not alone  :lol

I wish people would write out the whole title. If you're on phone it's a pain I know but on desktop with a full keyboard it takes like 2 seconds.
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7187 on: January 23, 2016, 09:15:36 AM »
Quote from: Kotowboy on January 23, 2016, 09:04:22 AM
I wish people would write out the whole title. If you're on phone it's a pain I know but on desktop with a full keyboard it takes like 2 seconds.

I knew I was not the only one in thinking this!
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7188 on: January 23, 2016, 09:54:22 AM »
Quote from: MegaDTSX on January 23, 2016, 07:49:44 AM
I'm losing time while waiting on this album so anxiously...I need to surrender to reason and just put it out of my mind for awhile.

We must not be loosing faythe that this album will be astonishing! As I am seeing this, it's only a matter of time until we will be finally free, although those six days will feel like a dance of eternity to me.
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7189 on: January 23, 2016, 10:00:18 AM »
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7190 on: January 23, 2016, 10:02:10 AM »
Quote from: Kotowboy on January 23, 2016, 10:00:18 AM
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I'm not sure if I get what you are trying to say  :\
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7191 on: January 23, 2016, 10:04:00 AM »
Quote from: Kotowboy on January 23, 2016, 10:00:18 AM
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Fixed.

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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7192 on: January 23, 2016, 10:17:03 AM »
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7193 on: January 23, 2016, 10:38:51 AM »
i'm more bothered that he has Awake and I&W switched
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7194 on: January 23, 2016, 10:42:38 AM »
Quote from: Parama on January 23, 2016, 10:38:51 AM
i'm more bothered that he has Awake and I&W switched
It's an alternate timeline, in which Kevin Moore fell in love with the magazine girl, wrote Space-Dye Vest for her and the magazine girl fell in love with Kevin (given they released Awake first in this timeline). They became a happy couple and Kevin wrote beautiful songs like Surrounded and Wait for Sleep all inspired in their love.

Suddenly, Kevin realised the girl had AIDS and John Myung wrote Learning to Live to help his good friend overcome the bad news. It was a lot for Kevin to handle, so he left the band.

Word.
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7195 on: January 23, 2016, 10:42:52 AM »
Quote from: Parama on January 23, 2016, 10:38:51 AM
i'm more bothered that he has Awake and I&W switched

That.
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7196 on: January 23, 2016, 10:50:15 AM »
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Quote from: Parama on January 23, 2016, 10:38:51 AM
i'm more bothered that he has Awake and I&W switched
It's an alternate timeline, in which Kevin Moore fell in love with the magazine girl, wrote Space-Dye Vest for her and the magazine girl fell in love with Kevin (given they released Awake first in this timeline). They became a happy couple and Kevin wrote beautiful songs like Surrounded and Wait for Sleep all inspired in their love.

Suddenly, Kevin realised the girl had AIDS and John Myung wrote Learning to Live to help his good friend overcome the bad news. It was a lot for Kevin to handle, so he left the band.

Word.

Sounds legit.
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7197 on: January 23, 2016, 12:05:42 PM »
Quote from: noxon on January 22, 2016, 06:13:39 PM
Who gets a "Final Fantasy" feel at 3:20 of MoB?

I actually did hahaha
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7198 on: January 23, 2016, 12:13:03 PM »
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 23, 2016, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: Parama on January 23, 2016, 10:38:51 AM
i'm more bothered that he has Awake and I&W switched
It's an alternate timeline, in which Kevin Moore fell in love with the magazine girl, wrote Space-Dye Vest for her and the magazine girl fell in love with Kevin (given they released Awake first in this timeline). They became a happy couple and Kevin wrote beautiful songs like Surrounded and Wait for Sleep all inspired in their love.

Suddenly, Kevin realised the girl had AIDS and John Myung wrote Learning to Live to help his good friend overcome the bad news. It was a lot for Kevin to handle, so he left the band.

Word.

You forgot A Change Of Seasons, which should be included, if Raw Dog is. What up?
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7199 on: January 23, 2016, 12:15:33 PM »
Quote from: Darkstarshades on January 23, 2016, 12:05:42 PM
Quote from: noxon on January 22, 2016, 06:13:39 PM
Who gets a "Final Fantasy" feel at 3:20 of MoB?

I actually did hahaha
Definitely.
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7200 on: January 23, 2016, 01:24:25 PM »
Quote from: shadow1psc on January 22, 2016, 08:01:38 PM
Quote from: noxon on January 22, 2016, 06:13:39 PM
Who gets a "Final Fantasy" feel at 3:20 of MoB?

I didn't, and I'm a Final Fantasy fanatic. I heard it immediately in Bridges in the Sky, for instance.

I'm with this guy. FF is one of my top 3 series, and I only thought about it once I read this.  Although, I suppose it could pass off as a Boss Battle Theme.
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« Reply #7201 on: January 23, 2016, 01:46:59 PM »
I did get FF vibes from it too. Though I never really played any modern FF nor do I play the classic games nowadays (I do have some soundtracks that I still listen to), so I felt a 90's FF vibe.
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« Reply #7202 on: January 23, 2016, 01:54:12 PM »
I did get FF vibes from it, and agree with Erhao, it's very 90's and something you'd find in FFIX
I also get this same feeling from the Keyboard Octavarium solo, idk why.
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7203 on: January 23, 2016, 02:51:16 PM »
I really hope the digital downloads through RR to become available 3 days earlier like it happened with DT12.
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7204 on: January 23, 2016, 03:30:22 PM »
Quote from: Panar on January 23, 2016, 02:51:16 PM
I really hope the digital downloads through RR to become available 3 days earlier like it happened with DT12.
It would be nice, but don't count on it.
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7205 on: January 23, 2016, 04:52:24 PM »
Quote from: CoT67 on January 23, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 23, 2016, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: Parama on January 23, 2016, 10:38:51 AM
i'm more bothered that he has Awake and I&W switched
It's an alternate timeline, in which Kevin Moore fell in love with the magazine girl, wrote Space-Dye Vest for her and the magazine girl fell in love with Kevin (given they released Awake first in this timeline). They became a happy couple and Kevin wrote beautiful songs like Surrounded and Wait for Sleep all inspired in their love.

Suddenly, Kevin realised the girl had AIDS and John Myung wrote Learning to Live to help his good friend overcome the bad news. It was a lot for Kevin to handle, so he left the band.

Word.

Sounds legit.

Also, it makes sense given Awake is a concept album about Spider-Man. The label didn't want another super hero based album, so they made the band write some 'mature' songs instead.
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7206 on: January 23, 2016, 05:33:08 PM »
Quote from: Panar on January 23, 2016, 02:51:16 PM
I really hope the digital downloads through RR to become available 3 days earlier like it happened with DT12.

Wow, that would be ...  :rollin :hefdaddy :eek :metal
That would be for those who pre-ordered?
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7207 on: January 23, 2016, 09:00:17 PM »
Quote from: noxon on January 22, 2016, 06:13:39 PM
Who gets a "Final Fantasy" feel at 3:20 of MoB?

I've actually been getting the Final Fantasy vibe since when they first announced the concept for this album :lol
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7208 on: January 23, 2016, 09:01:34 PM »
The most 'Final Fantasy' DT has ever sounded is during Bridges in the Sky. There's one part that's literally reprising a theme from Final Fantasy VIII.  :lol
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Re: Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)
« Reply #7209 on: January 23, 2016, 09:09:01 PM »
Less.  Than.  One.  Week.

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