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Title: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on July 29, 2010, 08:34:52 AM
I am probably going to be watching the Pain of Salvation "BE" DVD for the first time in a couple of weeks and my father will be watching it with me so I have a few questions...

1) Is there any vulgarity in it?
2) I've never heard them live other than a youtube clip here and there. Are they tight?
3) Are the songs on that release complex and musically impressive?

My 63 year old dad is a jazzhead (the heavy, complex, fusion-y stuff) and he appreciates good music. He's also a musician himself. Back in the day he was heavy into Frank Zappa and some other really good stuff that was definitely outside the mainstream. I've been trying to turn him on to prog metal, DT mostly, but he says they're "too cold and calculating and there's no spontaneity" for his taste. We have had some healthy debates about that. But anyway, I'm hoping he will enjoy POS.

Would "Be" be a good place to start with him?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: sonatafanica on July 29, 2010, 08:44:44 AM
1) no vulgarity, but one song may have a background sample of a woman's love-making moans.

2) tighter than a nun's vagina

3) A good amount of the songs are complex. A good amount are simple as well.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 29, 2010, 08:53:03 AM
It's fantastic.  But it would not be a good place to start with him.  Hell, the first time I saw it I wasn't sure if I liked it.  Start him off with 12:5 if he's not a metal guy, definitely.  BE dvd is amazing, but it is pretty freaking weird at first watch. 

But it is tighter than... well he already said it  :P

Also, if your expecting BE to turn him on to prog metal, it won't really work anyway, considering there is maybe 2 prog metal songs on the album... just a warning.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on July 29, 2010, 09:19:11 AM
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Also, if your expecting BE to turn him on to prog metal, it won't really work anyway, considering there is maybe 2 prog metal songs on the album... just a warning.

Straight prog is fine too. Actually it would probably be better because he has no love for metal at all (and has heard plenty through me over the years).

The 12:5 one, is that a DVD? I want him to have the visual. Last year when he visited I tried to turn him on to Score but that didn't go over too well. He said he appreciated the musicianship but felt no emotion from it. And I showed him SDOIT! I just find it funny how someone who is into jazz (which I find to be very cold and unemotional for the most part) can say that DT music has no emotion. 

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no vulgarity, but one song may have a background sample of a woman's love-making moans.
Thanks for the heads up. Fortunately that won't be a problem.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Volk9 on July 29, 2010, 10:01:22 AM
Well, Jazz >>>>>Prog













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Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 29, 2010, 10:32:02 AM
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Also, if your expecting BE to turn him on to prog metal, it won't really work anyway, considering there is maybe 2 prog metal songs on the album... just a warning.

Straight prog is fine too. Actually it would probably be better because he has no love for metal at all (and has heard plenty through me over the years).

The 12:5 one, is that a DVD? I want him to have the visual. Last year when he visited I tried to turn him on to Score but that didn't go over too well. He said he appreciated the musicianship but felt no emotion from it. And I showed him SDOIT! I just find it funny how someone who is into jazz (which I find to be very cold and unemotional for the most part) can say that DT music has no emotion. 

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no vulgarity, but one song may have a background sample of a woman's love-making moans.
Thanks for the heads up. Fortunately that won't be a problem.

Well there is not much prog rock either, that's what I was getting at.  I mean...  there are really hardly any prog elements involved, that's the idea of the album.  Expect more folk and blues and classical and gospel (if you've ever heard BE)  12:5 is a live album, but no, there is no visual.  I can see where he would come from saying Dream Theater has no emotion, but Pain of Salvation can sometimes have a little too much for the easy listener.  I'm just saying that most people will tell you BE dvd or album is definitely their least accessible work, and will probably not go over well with a jazz listener.  12:5 is an acoustic album with jazz and blues elements, and is probably the best introduction for a non-metal fan. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Arcaeus on July 29, 2010, 11:05:35 AM
Well, Jazz >>>>>Prog

Why did you add the trollface as if that was controversial or debatable? ;)

Anyways -- I agree with what the others said. Who knows, though? He may like it, but it's a very risky place to start.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on July 29, 2010, 11:17:07 AM
Thanks for all the feedback. Hmmm... this is a tough call. Because if there are blues, folk, gospel and classical elements (whoa what a combo!?!) then he might actually like it because it's so diverse and different. I have never heard Be yet and can't wait to check it out.

If 12:5 is jazzy I'll definitely pick that up to listen to with him in the car. Although I'm really trying to get him to open up to other stuff outside of that genre.

Forgive my POS ignorance - I am just starting to get into them and only have 3 albums (on MP3 unfortunately because I can't find their CDs ANYWHERE - at least not for a reasonable price).

But anyway, he's a tough one to impress. The only bands he has ever really liked that I'm into are Primus and Mr. Bungle. He never got into them or anything but he definitely dug them when he heard them. Of course I avoided some playing some Mr. Bungle stuff... My Ass is on Fire and Girls of Porn would not have gone over too well. ;)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on July 29, 2010, 11:19:13 AM
I just find it funny how someone who is into jazz (which I find to be very cold and unemotional for the most part) can say that DT music has no emotion. 

Jazz cold and unemotional?  :| Well, each to their own I guess.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on July 29, 2010, 11:30:01 AM
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Jazz cold and unemotional?   Well, each to their own I guess.

Well jazz is a pretty big genre so I guess it would be totally ignorant of me to classify all of it that way. And don't get me wrong, I love a LOT of jazz... mostly the crazy fusion, guitar heavy stuff that blows my mind (Tribal Tech, Mike Stern, John Scofield, etc). I listen to it for the technical aspects mostly though; that form of jazz does nothing for me emotionally.

But after years of listening to saxophones noodling endlessly, it kinda wore me out.

Now Keith Jarrett Koln Concert is a different story. That is extremely emotional. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 29, 2010, 11:40:04 AM
Stay on topic people. 

He sounds like he might actually like Road Salt One more than anything.  LOTS of Blues and jazz and classic rock and emotional and suprising elements involved, and most of the work is improvising, which is much different from the no-loose ends Dream Theater style. 

But really, hardly anyone likes BE on their first listen.  It's simply not that kind of album.  It's more of a "grower."  Same goes for the Dvd. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on July 29, 2010, 11:53:00 AM
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He sounds like he might actually like Road Salt One more than anything.  LOTS of Blues and jazz and classic rock and emotional and suprising elements involved, and most of the work is improvising, which is much different from the no-loose ends Dream Theater style.

That does sound like a good one for him, thanks!

Ooh, that reminds me, I can show him one of the LTE DVDs! They do some improv on them, I think.

I really want to watch a Transatlantic DVD with him but MP has to go and curse on it. My dad isn't a prude but he always gets p-d when people drop f-bombs in music for no good reason. It's an instant turn off for him so I'm afraid it will overshadow the performance.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Adami on July 29, 2010, 12:32:23 PM
No clue what Dtismajesty is talking about, the BE dvd is pretty much what cemented my love for PoS. It's amazing in every way. Many songs have a pretty technical ellement to them, the styles range quite a bit, it's very very impressive as well. However it's a stage show, not a concert really. They are all acting parts and the atmosphere is conveyed equally visually as it is musically. If your dad has no interest in experieincing new music, then don't show him. If he is open and artistic, he should like it.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: InTheNameOfGod on July 29, 2010, 12:38:10 PM
hmmm. As good as PoS are live, I would recommend giving Be a few spins before playing the DVD.

Trust me, you will love it so much more.

But you'll enjoy the DVD nonetheless.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 29, 2010, 12:43:05 PM
No clue what Dtismajesty is talking about, the BE dvd is pretty much what cemented my love for PoS. It's amazing in every way. Many songs have a pretty technical ellement to them, the styles range quite a bit, it's very very impressive as well. However it's a stage show, not a concert really. They are all acting parts and the atmosphere is conveyed equally visually as it is musically. If your dad has no interest in experieincing new music, then don't show him. If he is open and artistic, he should like it.

Cemented, yes.  Met too.  But admit, having NEVER heard Pain of Salvation before, BE just might not click.  I'm talking FIRST LISTEN here.  If you understood the whole concept and ideas behind be at first glance, that's great.  Your smart.  But most people won't.  Just giving my opinion... I mean, I loved the Dvd first watch, but at that point, as I'm sure you had, I had had a good month of experience with the band.  Said "father" doesn't. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: bodiesinflight on July 29, 2010, 01:10:16 PM
BE is massively overrated and a really OTT, not particularly good album. I'd choose something else.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Arcaeus on July 29, 2010, 01:13:55 PM
I lol'd, now let's start being serious again, considering your father's tastes, I suggest you just play 3:18-3:24 of "To The End" on repeat a few dozen times.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: InTheNameOfGod on July 29, 2010, 01:14:06 PM
BE is massively overrated and a really OTT, not particularly good album. I'd choose something else.



It's better than any of the albums you've reviewed in your blog.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 29, 2010, 01:21:57 PM
Your dad should like it if he like's concepts. Just show him it and don't worry with what he thinks if he like's it he like's it if not then oh well he's still your dad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on July 29, 2010, 01:25:45 PM
What does "OTT" mean?

Well, gathering all of the feedback here, I think I'll go ahead and take a chance on the Be Live DVD with him. The worst that can happen is he won't like it. And I'll pick up Road Salt and 12:5 to listen to with him in the car. 

I'll post here after it's all over and let you all know how it went. Thanks again for the feedback. Please feel free to keep it coming - the more I know about it beforehand the better.

Oh, I read a review that said there is a sex scene on the video screen in the background? Is that true?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Arcaeus on July 29, 2010, 01:26:58 PM
Oh yeah, I think it just shows some girl straddling a guy, I don't remember any nudity.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on July 29, 2010, 01:32:25 PM
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Your dad should like it if he like's concepts. Just show him it and don't worry with what he thinks if he like's it he like's it if not then oh well he's still your dad.

True. It certainly wouldn't be the first time he didn't like something I've played for him. Thing is, we have a very musical relationship - it's a big part of our conversations a lot of the time. So we're constantly trying to connect on that level. I haven't had a lot of luck getting him into my music. The jazz snob in him thinks metal is beneath him. Lol. (No offense to the jazzheads here - but you have to admit there is a certain degree of snobbery there.) :)
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ariich on July 29, 2010, 01:50:11 PM
What does "OTT" mean?
It means 'over the top'.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 29, 2010, 02:32:45 PM
What does "OTT" mean?

Well, gathering all of the feedback here, I think I'll go ahead and take a chance on the Be Live DVD with him. The worst that can happen is he won't like it. And I'll pick up Road Salt and 12:5 to listen to with him in the car. 

I'll post here after it's all over and let you all know how it went. Thanks again for the feedback. Please feel free to keep it coming - the more I know about it beforehand the better.

Oh, I read a review that said there is a sex scene on the video screen in the background? Is that true?

Father's should be worried about exposing their kid to explicit material........... not the other way around.  :lol
It's nothing to bad, but there are some sexual undertones.


Pain of Salvation really isn't for anyone who consider themselves "jazz guys" or "metalheads" or "Folklovers" or "Rap hustlaz" or "Blues boys" or "Classical heads" or "Prog purists" or "Gospel guys" or whatever, because they do all of those styles.  So if your dad is strictly in to jazz then he won't like Pain of Salvation.

(Pretty sure I invented a term or two  :P )
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on July 29, 2010, 06:28:30 PM
Listened to a couple of songs from Be on Grooveshark (it's legal) and can already tell I'm gonna love it. Iter Impius... OMG... CHILLS!

Really psyched for the DVD now.

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Pain of Salvation really isn't for anyone who consider themselves "jazz guys" or "metalheads" or "Folklovers" or "Rap hustlaz" or "Blues boys" or "Classical heads" or "Prog purists" or "Gospel guys" or whatever, because they do all of those styles.  So if your dad is strictly in to jazz then he won't like Pain of Salvation.

If they are really all of those things then that is pretty unique to say the least. I think it's worth a shot.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: InTheNameOfGod on July 29, 2010, 07:02:29 PM
Iter Impius is an absolute gem of a song.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 29, 2010, 07:07:57 PM
But Martius/Nauticus II, Pluvius Aestivus, and Dea Pecunia are even better!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on July 29, 2010, 07:20:44 PM
Not to get too off topic but I'm listening to The Perfect Element right now and man this band is really growing on me. There are so many goosebump parts, one after another. Morning on Earth is really blowing my mind right now. 

I hope this doesn't get me in trouble but does anyone else hear Geoff Tate in DG's voice? It's not constant but certain parts sound just like him to me.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 29, 2010, 07:22:42 PM
Yeah, it's been pointed out loads of times.  Only on the high notes really, and I think Daniel has much better tone and control and range anyway...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on July 29, 2010, 07:27:02 PM
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Yeah, it's been pointed out loads of times.  Only on the high notes really, and I think Daniel has much better tone and control and range anyway...

I'm hearing it in the low notes too, like in Ashes.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ariich on July 30, 2010, 12:58:04 AM
I hope this doesn't get me in trouble but does anyone else hear Geoff Tate in DG's voice?
*kills*
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Arcaeus on July 30, 2010, 01:00:04 AM
Daniel Gildenlow is my favorite vocalist in metal and yet he always seems to get compared to metal vocalists I largely despise :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Zantera on July 30, 2010, 04:15:14 AM
Daniel Gildenlow is my favorite vocalist in metal and yet he always seems to get compared to metal vocalists I largely despise :lol

what is this i dont even...
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on July 30, 2010, 04:44:27 AM
I hope this doesn't get me in trouble but does anyone else hear Geoff Tate in DG's voice?
*kills*

Yeah, I thought there might be some pushback from the Q-ryche haters. I really don't get that. DT is hugely influenced by them, along with so many other bands. Back in the day when Q-Ryche were in their prime, they were waaaaay ahead of their time and I still think their music is fresh and timeless.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: wolfking on July 30, 2010, 06:25:49 AM
Any Pre Promised Land Ryche is a MUSIC WIN!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ariich on July 30, 2010, 06:37:39 AM
Who said anything about being a QR-hater? I like lots of their stuff, as do loads of people here. I just think that DG sounds nothing like Tate, beyond the fact that both can sing high notes.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: InTheNameOfGod on July 30, 2010, 06:38:51 AM
But Martius/Nauticus II, Pluvius Aestivus, and Dea Pecunia are even better!

Close. All great songs. Pluvius is a short instrumental, and as beautiful as it is, isn't close to the other 3 we've mentioned.

Iter and Dea Pecunia are the best 2 songs on the album, IMO.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: bodiesinflight on July 30, 2010, 07:22:11 AM
BE is massively overrated and a really OTT, not particularly good album. I'd choose something else.



It's better than any of the albums you've reviewed in your blog.

Nah it's really not...it's crap. Of course I'm not allowed to have this opinion because it's one of DTF's "albums that cannot be criticised" but still  :tup


Edit: Also I've only reviewed one album on my blog so that doesn't exactly prove much does it  :corn
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: bodiesinflight on July 30, 2010, 07:25:26 AM
Your dad should like it if he like's concepts. Just show him it and don't worry with what he thinks if he like's it he like's it if not then oh well he's still your dad.

Does he speak Latin?

Even if he does he still won't have a zarking clue what it's about
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ariich on July 30, 2010, 08:12:46 AM
I have a clue what it's about and I don't speak Latin

Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it's bad.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on July 30, 2010, 08:34:05 AM
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Does he speak Latin?

Even if he does he still won't have a zarking clue what it's about

I listened to a few of the songs yesterday on Grooveshark and could have sworn they were in English?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: bodiesinflight on July 30, 2010, 09:01:34 AM
It was kinda a bit of a joke but nvm.

See what I mean about basically not being allowed to criticise this album?  ::)

Rich, as I've already said numerous times, the fact it's pretty hard to grasp what's going on isn't the reason I dislike the album, I dislike it because I think it's an example of all the bad sterotypes people have of prog in one very long and rather dull lump.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ariich on July 30, 2010, 10:03:26 AM
I know (although I still disagree), I was just responding in an equally controversial manner. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: bodiesinflight on July 30, 2010, 10:08:01 AM
None of this is controversial...not enough people know about PoS for this debate to be anywhere near controversial.

Sucks how they're totally missing out the UK on their Euro tour btw  :angry:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on August 01, 2010, 08:05:03 AM
Is there any profanity in the Ending Themes DVD? Maybe I'll watch that one with my dad instead. Which one do you think, Be Live or Ending Themes?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: petrucci07 on August 01, 2010, 08:13:56 AM
Is there any profanity in the Ending Themes DVD? Maybe I'll watch that one with my dad instead. Which one do you think, Be Live or Ending Themes?

The first thing Daniel says when he walks on stage is "Tonight we're gonna fuck you up so bad you don't know what hit you!"
Which doesn't make sense, but still.
Apart from that, there's nothing, I think.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Plasmastrike on August 01, 2010, 09:31:49 AM
Is there any profanity in the Ending Themes DVD? Maybe I'll watch that one with my dad instead. Which one do you think, Be Live or Ending Themes?

The first thing Daniel says when he walks on stage is "Tonight we're gonna fuck you up so bad you don't know what hit you!"
Which doesn't make sense, but still.
Apart from that, there's nothing, I think.
:lol

I'll have to get this DVD.

I've really become a fan of this band. Very often I'm finding myself in a PoS mood.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: petrucci07 on August 02, 2010, 06:57:56 AM
Is there any profanity in the Ending Themes DVD? Maybe I'll watch that one with my dad instead. Which one do you think, Be Live or Ending Themes?

The first thing Daniel says when he walks on stage is "Tonight we're gonna fuck you up so bad you don't know what hit you!"
Which doesn't make sense, but still.
Apart from that, there's nothing, I think.
:lol

I'll have to get this DVD.

I've really become a fan of this band. Very often I'm finding myself in a PoS mood.

I would get the CD/DVD boxset, it's amazing.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Silver Tears on August 02, 2010, 09:48:27 AM
This thread has inspired me to watch the BE DVD again tonight.  :metal
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on August 02, 2010, 11:12:55 AM
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This thread has inspired me to watch the BE DVD again tonight.


Lucky you! I have to wait until next week (HOPING husband got it for me for my b-day).
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 02, 2010, 03:10:59 PM
Is there any profanity in the Ending Themes DVD? Maybe I'll watch that one with my dad instead. Which one do you think, Be Live or Ending Themes?


Well on the Documentary there's loads, but on the performance, only that first line.  Ending Themes is very much a metal concert... maybe 2 or 3 lighter songs at most.  BE is better to me because the song selection is better, Daniel's voice is the best it's ever been, and there's a freaking orchestra!  And the last song on the DVD, Martius/Nauticus II.......  :hefdaddy  :hefdaddy


And both have some really hilarious Easter eggs!  Really you can't go wrong with Pain of Salvation, though. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: wolfking on August 02, 2010, 03:12:24 PM
Is there any profanity in the Ending Themes DVD? Maybe I'll watch that one with my dad instead. Which one do you think, Be Live or Ending Themes?


Well on the Documentary there's loads, but on the performance, only that first line.  Ending Themes is very much a metal concert... maybe 2 or 3 lighter songs at most.  BE is better to me because the song selection is better, Daniel's voice is the best it's ever been, and there's a freaking orchestra!  And the last song on the DVD Martius/Nauticus II  :hefdaddy  :hefdaddy


And both have some really hilarious Easter eggs!  Really you can't go wrong with Pain of Salvation, though. 

I would like to add that the concert highlights Cribcaged which uses profanity.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 02, 2010, 03:16:43 PM
Oh.  Yeah.  That. 




I guess if you really don't appreciate explicitness, forget that I mentioned Easter Eggs on BE.  You might find a pretty disturbing one in there, actually. 
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Silver Tears on August 02, 2010, 04:29:51 PM
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This thread has inspired me to watch the BE DVD again tonight.


Lucky you! I have to wait until next week (HOPING husband got it for me for my b-day).

Dammit I just got home and it's a bit late to start watching now. Tomorrow!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2010, 05:46:18 AM
Oh.  Yeah.  That. 




I guess if you really don't appreciate explicitness, forget that I mentioned Easter Eggs on BE.  You might find a pretty disturbing one in there, actually. 

I haven't looked for any easter eggs yet, what it this one you speak of??
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on August 15, 2010, 08:23:58 AM
Well, the outcome wasn't so good...

As soon as my dad realized that the vocals were overdubbed he started questioning the integrity of the live performance ("was it all overdubbed?"). I ended up shutting it off because he was complaining so much I couldn't even enjoy it. I still haven't seen the whole thing yet.

The good news is my husband is starting to get into PoS now. He read the Wiki page about the Be concept and he said it's something he could really get into.

Oh, by the way, he bought me the Be DVD (with CD) and the Ending Themes DVD for my b-day. We watched the ET live concent footage last night and loved it!

Haven't stopped listening to PoS for weeks now. They keep sounding better and better.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 15, 2010, 11:35:27 AM
It's samples. also tell your dad they made the DVD before the studio cd. Also, has your dad seen a Rush concert/DVD? I would like to know if he would complain they use samples like in BE
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ariich on August 15, 2010, 12:37:12 PM
I'm not aware of any overdubs in the Be DVD. ???
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: petrucci07 on August 15, 2010, 12:53:54 PM
Yeah, there aren't any overdubs on that DVD. It even says in the liner notes, "No re-recordings have been done". Did he mean the speech samples, like the population figrues?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2010, 12:56:28 PM
The only added in "singing" was the female vocal part over the guitar solo. All of DGs vocals were live.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ariich on August 15, 2010, 12:58:05 PM
I'm fairly sure the whole of Drifting was just a backing-track. But yeah, all the proper full band stuff was completely live.

Your dad sounds like a nutter.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2010, 12:58:32 PM
I'm fairly sure the whole of Drifting was just a backing-track. But yeah, all the proper full band stuff was completely live.

Your dad sounds like a nutter.

Oh yea that song too. But they didn't even pretend to sing it live.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on August 15, 2010, 05:17:06 PM
I'm not complaining; a lot of bands overdub vocals on live DVDs (even DT). But the lips are definitely out of synch with the vocals on Be Live. I thought it was very obvious in every song (at least the ones I saw). There is one part where he is ripping his jacket off and the microphone is nowhere near his mouth and the vocal volume never changes. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this makes him any less awesome but I would certainly prefer to hear the raw vocals as they were performed during the show. Now on Ending Themes DG is definitely not overdubbed.

Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2010, 05:18:55 PM
I'm not complaining; a lot of bands overdub vocals on live DVDs (even DT). But the lips are definitely out of synch with the vocals on Be Live. I thought it was very obvious in every song (at least the ones I saw). There is one part where he is ripping his jacket off and the microphone is nowhere near his mouth and the vocal volume never changes. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this makes him any less awesome but I would certainly prefer to hear the raw vocals as they were performed during the show. Now on Ending Themes DG is definitely not overdubbed.



Your version might be messed up then, there are no syncing issues on what I have. Hell, there's even a part where he sings into a cup instead of a mic and his vocal level goes wayyyy down. Plus, there are some lyrical mistakes you'd think they'd fix.

Trust me, they didn't fix up the vocals.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 15, 2010, 05:20:26 PM
I'm not complaining; a lot of bands overdub vocals on live DVDs (even DT). But the lips are definitely out of synch with the vocals on Be Live. I thought it was very obvious in every song (at least the ones I saw). There is one part where he is ripping his jacket off and the microphone is nowhere near his mouth and the vocal volume never changes. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this makes him any less awesome but I would certainly prefer to hear the raw vocals as they were performed during the show. Now on Ending Themes DG is definitely not overdubbed.



Your version might be messed up then, there are no syncing issues on what I have. Hell, there's even a part where he sings into a cup instead of a mic and his vocal level goes wayyyy down. Plus, there are some lyrical mistakes you'd think they'd fix.

Trust me, they didn't fix up the vocals.
What this smart guy says.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2010, 05:21:17 PM
That part always bothers me, when Johan gets the wrong lyrics. Everyone should know exactly what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on August 15, 2010, 05:30:36 PM
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Trust me, they didn't fix up the vocals.


It really looks overdubbed to me but I believe you guys because obviously you all know the DVD inside out.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2010, 05:42:10 PM
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Trust me, they didn't fix up the vocals.


It really looks overdubbed to me but I believe you guys because obviously you all know the DVD inside out.

I think it might be an audio/video sync issue with your copy then. Because with mine there isn't the slightest hint that he overdubbed anything. They always match up, and when he's not at the mic, he's not making noise. You are more than welcome to come over and watch mine.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 15, 2010, 05:52:30 PM
Can I come over as well?


But yea, I've watched the dvd multiple times and I have never seen anything out of sync. And I get really annoyed by stuff that is out of sync so I would have noticed it.

And it would have been weird indeed if they overdubbed it but left all the mistakes in.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on August 15, 2010, 05:56:14 PM
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I think it might be an audio/video sync issue with your copy then. Because with mine there isn't the slightest hint that he overdubbed anything. They always match up, and when he's not at the mic, he's not making noise. You are more than welcome to come over and watch mine.


Does that really happen where one can get a bad copy that is out of synch?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2010, 06:40:44 PM
It could be one of several issues. But for instance my Metallica in france DVD, the audio and video are about half a second out of sync and I can't even watch it anymore.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on August 15, 2010, 06:56:31 PM
Or it could have been our DVD player. I'm in the middle of watching it now on the PS3 and it's perfect. Holy shit Daniel Gildenlow is so god-like in every way.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Arcaeus on August 15, 2010, 06:57:36 PM
Well of course, the best metal band needs the best metal vocalist.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Adami on August 15, 2010, 06:58:58 PM
Or it could have been our DVD player. I'm in the middle of watching it now on the PS3 and it's perfect. Holy shit Daniel Gildenlow is so god-like in every way.

And for your error you should write DG and the rest of the band a hand written letter of apology, enclose in it some of your hair.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ariich on August 16, 2010, 02:41:56 AM
:lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Silver Tears on August 16, 2010, 07:07:38 AM
Or it could have been our DVD player. I'm in the middle of watching it now on the PS3 and it's perfect. Holy shit Daniel Gildenlow is so god-like in every way.

He really is  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Lynxo on August 16, 2010, 07:24:59 AM
Or it could have been our DVD player. I'm in the middle of watching it now on the PS3 and it's perfect. Holy shit Daniel Gildenlow is so god-like in every way.

And for your error you should write DG and the rest of the band a hand written letter of apology, enclose in it some of your hair.
Hell yeah. :lol

But PoS needs to apologize to US as well - there was no bonus hair with RS1!  :angry:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 16, 2010, 07:45:21 AM
I might go and see them for the fourth time :D.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Silver Tears on August 16, 2010, 07:48:49 AM
That's not fair, I haven't even seen them once  :(
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 16, 2010, 07:53:05 AM
Stop living in Scotland then!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Silver Tears on August 16, 2010, 07:55:02 AM
Nah Scotland's awesome.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 16, 2010, 07:55:42 AM
But you don't get multiple PoS shows per tour  :loser:.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Zydar on August 16, 2010, 08:04:24 AM
She gets multiple portions of haggis instead.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Silver Tears on August 16, 2010, 08:10:52 AM
Bleh I hate haggis.


But you don't get multiple PoS shows per tour  :loser:.

 :millahhhh
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ariich on August 16, 2010, 09:27:36 AM
Nah Scotland's awesome.
Bahahahahahahahahahaha!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: LadyEars on August 16, 2010, 11:06:22 AM
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And for your error you should write DG and the rest of the band a hand written letter of apology, enclose in it some of your hair.

I also heard that MP uses a drum machine on that really fast double-bass part on ANTR. (just kidding... *ducks and hides*).

But seriously, I did watch the entire Be Live DVD last night and the vocals/lips were totally in synch. My apologies to the PoS folks who were were PO'd by my post.

BTW, I do not require that DVD to grow on me, I LOVED it! Freaking brilliant!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Silver Tears on August 16, 2010, 05:27:20 PM
Nah Scotland's awesome.
Bahahahahahahahahahaha!

 :yeahright
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ariich on August 16, 2010, 05:29:47 PM
:biggrin:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Silver Tears on August 16, 2010, 05:31:17 PM
I've never actually been to England  :lol
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ariich on August 16, 2010, 05:35:10 PM
I've never actually been to England  :lol
WHAT!?! >:(

You're a rubbish Brit.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Adami on August 16, 2010, 05:37:03 PM
I've never actually been to England  :lol

What are you talking about? You're from scotland....you LIVE in england!
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Silver Tears on August 16, 2010, 05:38:27 PM
I've never actually been to England  :lol

What are you talking about? You're from scotland....you LIVE in england!

 :censored



I've never actually been to England  :lol
WHAT!?! >:(

You're a rubbish Brit.

I know I know! I'll be visiting London sometimes though 'cos a few of my friends are moving there for uni  :D
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ariich on August 16, 2010, 05:39:44 PM
Awesome! Bring Harry as well and we can all have a sexy party. :eyebrows:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Silver Tears on August 16, 2010, 05:40:38 PM
Eww does Harry have to be there too? More fun without him :eyebrows:
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ariich on August 16, 2010, 05:44:27 PM
Well, if you insist! :-*

Anyway, get back on topic!

I really need to watch the Be DVD again sometime. I saw it twice when I first got it (back when it first came out) but haven't watched it since.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Adami on August 16, 2010, 05:46:21 PM
Everyone is invited to Chicago to watch the BE dvd, the Amsterdam DVD and the Kamelot DVD with me on a big TV. And by everyone I mean Voxyn, Ariich and hot women with boobs.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ariich on August 16, 2010, 05:47:29 PM
That would actually rock, if only I could afford to get to Chicago any time soon. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 16, 2010, 10:14:53 PM
Anyone else find the Easter egg of Portnoys, er, ........


 :-\
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Arcaeus on August 16, 2010, 10:15:30 PM
wat
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: Adami on August 16, 2010, 10:17:51 PM
Anyone else find the Easter egg of Portnoys, er, ........


 :-\

Yes indeed. The goofy commentary is amazing. Portnoys message to god was kinda lame though.
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 17, 2010, 04:07:43 AM
Everyone is invited to Chicago to watch the BE dvd, the Amsterdam DVD and the Kamelot DVD with me on a big TV. And by everyone I mean Voxyn, Ariich and hot women with boobs.
That would actually rock, if only I could afford to get to Chicago any time soon. :P
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: faemir on August 17, 2010, 05:53:19 AM
Anyone else find the Easter egg of Portnoys, er, ........


 :-\

Yes indeed. The goofy commentary is amazing. Portnoys message to god was kinda lame though.

Care to explain?
Title: Re: Pain of Salvation "Be" DVD
Post by: TheVoxyn on August 17, 2010, 06:27:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLajPdBhe1E