Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread

[gmillerdrake]

Also....Jon Snow fell in love with a woman with a 'fire crotch'.....so....there's that.....

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Also....Jon Snow fell in love with a woman with a 'fire crotch'.....so....there's that.....

 

[Progmetty]

The only notable character development they've done this season, at least the only one that felt solid, was that of Jaimie Lannister, his conversations with Brienne Tarth, Edmure Tully, the Blackfish deal and finally Walder Frey were all strongly building towards him changing again, he's the roundest character of the series IMO, when he was talking to Walder Frey and Frey said something about them being similar to one another, you could see it on Jaimie's face as he's coming to grips with the thought "Am I.. am I be a piece of shit?"

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The only notable character development they've done this season, at least the only one that felt solid, was that of Jaimie Lannister, his conversations with Brienne Tarth, Edmure Tully, the Blackfish deal and finally Walder Frey were all strongly building towards him changing again, he's the roundest character of the series IMO, when he was talking to Walder Frey and Frey said something about them being similar to one another, you could see it on Jaimie's face as he's coming to grips with the thought "Am I.. am I be a piece of shit?"

That scene with Jamie and Walder was awesome on so many levels. 

I would say Sansa's character grew quite a bit this season.

[Prog Snob]

There are 13 episodes left, as far as we know, so I think we're going to have some major deaths next season. I don't mean Margaery and Loras. I mean someone like Cersei.

[gmillerdrake]

There are 13 episodes left, as far as we know,

Has any 'official' total been released as far as how many more episodes they are going to shoot?

[Prog Snob]

It has been confirmed that there will be seven next season. As far as I know, there are supposed to be six in season eight though I'm not sure if that was confirmed.

[Progmetty]

I'm hoping it's not true or they change their minds, if there's only 13 episodes left then halfass-ment is enviable no matter how masterful they get with it.
I think if they make two more seasons, at 10 episodes each, it would work out only if they continue on the rapid pace of story we've seen this season and I won't be completely satisfied with that but it could be decent enough.
Perfect case is 10 seasons, normal 10 episodes seasons, to really allow for character development and conflicts to cook and make sense the way they used to.

[cramx3]

With the mass killing of characters this season, a shortened season may not mean it will be faster paced that last one.  Could mean more time to focus on the characters still alive.  Just speculation though.  I expect the pace to be just as quick as last episode. 

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

The High Sparrow was an ass.

[Prog Snob]

   Yes

[MirrorMask]

I understand the need to wrap some things up and set them up for next season but they should've swapped the last two sequences. Cersei sitting on the throne is way more powerful of an ending.

Absolutely agree. I was actually prepared for Cersei's scene to be the last of the season. Dany got enough season finales, Cersei's "yo bitches, you spent 6 years thinking of Dany has a queen, GUESS WHAT" would have been the best way to wrap it up since there were no White Walkers.

Can we please talk about that amazing music for the King's Landing scenes? I mean seriously, that music made some great scenes absolutely perfect.

It was wonderful and breathtaking. The best music / scene combination of the entire series, I'd daresay. Stunning work!!!!


And for the first time in the series, I somehow rooted for Cersei. I really hate that bitch and her smug face (Stunning work from Lena Headey really, I guess whenever I'll see her somewhere else I'll always expect her character to be an hateful and spiteful woman), but I couldn't help admiring how back against the wall she literally turned King Landing over itself.

Olenna Tyrell owning the Sand Snakes was priceless. The saving grace of Dorne's scenes, and just because of her presence.

I agree it's a bit weird to finally learn that Lyanna is Jon's mother but not her father, but to be fair... it was obvious who the father was. Lyanna in her dying moments didn't need to spell it out to Ned.

Winter has come. Fucking finally. Dany brings her butt to Westeros. Fucking finally. Really, the end is nigh 

I didn't realize Arya was the girl until she and Walder were alone in the room. Good riddance to the Freys, the Starks send their regards. I'll forgive how Arya and Varys have a teletransporter that flies them through Westeros in no time.

Really, the only letdown of a massively epic episode is that the scene in Mereen didn't open with Dany and Yara in bed together. You know you all wanted it.

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Really, the only letdown of a massively epic episode is that the scene in Mereen didn't open with Dany and Yara in bed together. You know you all wanted it.

I could totally see that happening in the books though, if those two actually meet in the books.

[MirrorMask]

I forgot to comment on the dearly departed royal couple.

Tommen... what a wuss. Ok, I get it, she was hot and you had sex, but really? kill yourself over it?

He should have died in the explosion somehow. Slip past the Mountain, get away someway else, he should have been the flaw in Cersei's otherwise perfect plan, it would have been more fitting.

And Margaery... ok, she was smart and she realized something was wrong, but to panic and call for an immediate evacuation like Cersei would, dunno, blow up the entire place which is exactly what she did thanks to something only Tyrion knew about??? really, she was alone and confined in her rooms, what made Margaery come to the only possible solution?

[adace]

Incredible ending to what is my favorite season so far. Like everyone else I absolutely can't wait until season 7!

[Phoenix87x]

Funny how the show starts with jaime pushing a kid out a window, starting a long succession of events that would lead to another kid going out the window, his son.

[Prog Snob]

And Margaery... ok, she was smart and she realized something was wrong, but to panic and call for an immediate evacuation like Cersei would, dunno, blow up the entire place which is exactly what she did thanks to something only Tyrion knew about??? really, she was alone and confined in her rooms, what made Margaery come to the only possible solution?

I think it was obvious to her that something was up when she and Tommen didn't show up. Cersei would definitely skip out on her trial to do something. That probably didn't surprise her as much as Tommen missing it.

[King Postwhore]

Margaery was evil and conniving as Cersei.  She knew something bad was about to happen.

[Prog Snob]

Margaery was evil and conniving as Cersei.  She knew something bad was about to happen.

Evil and conniving AS Cersei? I wouldn't go that far.

[King Postwhore]

Right but evil in any level knows evil. Come on John, you know she put that together since that's how she thinks.

[Adami]

Margaery was evil and conniving as Cersei.  She knew something bad was about to happen.

Conniving? Sure. But evil? Eh. I wouldn't call her a good person, but she was nowhere near as evil as Cersei. Proof? Margaery reacted to the religion thing by playing along with a plot to undermine them later. Cersei blew them up and killed hundreds or possibly thousands of innocent people.

[King Postwhore]

Guys evil can mean something else than murder. She's not afraid the level of Cersei but she thinks that was on a smaller level and that is evil

[Prog Snob]

Right but evil in any level knows evil. Come on John, you know she put that together since that's how she thinks.

Understanding evil isn't the same as being evil. She blew up and killed how many innocent people? Do you think Margaery would use wildfire and kill tons of innocent people just to avoid judgment? Would Margaery coax her lover/brother to push an innocent boy out a window? I'm not saying Margaery is a girl scout, but there's definitely a distance between her and Cersei.

[King Postwhore]

You don't think Cersei was on that path that like her?  I do, she is evil, just not at the level of evil of Cersei.  I onto see nothing wrong with that statement. There are always levels to good and bad.

Some are willing to manipulate and some are willing to kill. 

[chknptpie]

This post is absolutely every thought that ran through my head... but also contains something that I didn't catch on the first watch relating to Jon Snow's birth!
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andyneuenschwander/81-thoughts-i-had-during-the-game-of-thrones-finale-includin?bffbmain&utm_term=.bbq77Px7p2#.pfBYYveY4J

[Adami]

You don't think Cersei was on that path that like her?  I do, she is evil, just not at the level of evil of Cersei.  I onto see nothing wrong with that statement. There are always levels to good and bad.

Some are willing to manipulate and some are willing to kill.

I think with Margaery there was more implied evil. Like, only an evil person would pretend to be so kind, and what not, plus the usual conniving that everyone did. With Cersei, there's just no room for doubt that she is an awful human being with no redeeming values. So yes, I would definitely argue against Margaery being deemed evil like Cersei.

[Progmetty]

Some are willing to manipulate and some are willing to kill.

I think that sums up the Margaery/Cersei argument.
I would also add that Margaery wouldn't have done with Septon Unella what Cersei has done.

[Cyclopssss]

Cersei was already way past caring and with Tommen now dead, God help us all.....

[MirrorMask]

After the war of the Five Kings, could we be getting symbolically the war of the Five Queens?

Cersei, Dany, Sansa, Olenna and whatshername, Oberyn's widow. Sure, Jon was acclaimed King in the North, not Sansa, but more or less we have women in key roles in the ultimate showdown.

[Cyclopssss]

Definetely heading that way. Wouldn't be surprised if it ended with the ' Sausage Wedding'  where all remaining male characters are killed off (except for Theon, off course, since he doesn't have a willy). 

[Chino]

Right but evil in any level knows evil. Come on John, you know she put that together since that's how she thinks.

Understanding evil isn't the same as being evil. She blew up and killed how many innocent people? Do you think Margaery would use wildfire and kill tons of innocent people just to avoid judgment? Would Margaery coax her lover/brother to push an innocent boy out a window? I'm not saying Margaery is a girl scout, but there's definitely a distance between her and Cersei.

I think, if given more time, Margaery would have gotten a lot darker and more evil. Maybe not to the point of Cersei, but she was no flower either.

[cramx3]

I never really felt like Margaery was evil.  She wasn't the nice lady that she portrayed herself to be, she admitted so to the High Sparrow (and I don't think that was really a lie).  But that in no means means that she is evil.  She also was not involved in Joffrey's killing.  I can't think of anything she has done that would lead someone to say she was evil.  She was cunning and smart and played the game, but that doesn't translate to evil to me.

And if it wasn't for the sparrows holding her back, she might have survived the explosion because she was smart enough to know something was going on.

[kaos2900]

This post is absolutely every thought that ran through my head... but also contains something that I didn't catch on the first watch relating to Jon Snow's birth!
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andyneuenschwander/81-thoughts-i-had-during-the-game-of-thrones-finale-includin?bffbmain&utm_term=.bbq77Px7p2#.pfBYYveY4J

That was very entertaining. I almost spit my drink out at this:

50. Wait.
51. WAIT.
52. Walder Frey just said, “You’re not one of mine, are you?”
53. IS ARYA HERE?!?!?!?!?!?!
54. DID SHE FUCKING BAKE HIS SONS IN A PIE?
55. She did. She Cartman’d him.
56. Hot fucking damn.
57. Arya.
58. That was INTENSE.

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55. She did. She Cartman’d him.

Scott Tenorman!! 

[hefdaddy42]

Margaery wasn't evil.  She just knew how to play the Game better than most of the other "good guys".  She had a good teacher in Olenna.