The Dark Knight Rises

[Phoenix87x]

I thought there was the perfect amount of focus on Bruce Wayne/Batman.

[Jaq]

I don't think he does. TDKR wasn't confusing at all. And people say Inception is way more complicated than it actually is.

This. Especially Inception. Both my sister and my mother still don't understand it, despite me explaining the plot-and the MOVIE explaining the plot-to the point that I think people enter Nolan movies with the notion it has to be terribly complex and tricky to understand.

[chrisbDTM]

yea TDKR is pretty much spelled out for the audience

[Ħ]

I can get how TDKR could be complicated if you're not very good at paying attention, or if you don't remember much from the two previous movies.

[Implode]

I don't even think you have to remember much from the other movies. Whenever something is referenced, they cut to a flashback for your convenience.

[Ħ]

There's a lot that would be misunderstood about the League of Shadows, I think, if you never saw BB.

[chrisbDTM]

i haven't seen batman begins in a LONG time, but i went back and watched last night. totally forgot little things like bruce's mom's pearls selina steals in TDKR. wish i did a rewatch of the frst two before i saw TDKR. those little things are cool

[Super Dude]

There's a lot that would be misunderstood about the League of Shadows, I think, if you never saw BB.

Maybe if you never saw BB, but the last time I saw it was in theaters, so even if you forget stuff I don't see how it's a problem. I understood TDKR just fine. It's just some of the plotting itself was somewhat clumsy.

[Ravenheart]

A lot of people label just about any film that requires you to pay attention and actually think as a mindfuck.

[snapple]

yea TDKR is pretty much spelled out for the audience

But that didn't ruin the movie for me.

[Adami]

Finally saw the movie and now have read most of the last few pages.



I loved it personally. TDK had two things going for it that this movie didn't, one was The Joker, one was the message of the film which was stronger than this one. But I thought this movie was amazing. I didn't see the twist coming, which I guess according to some of you makes me a complete idiot, cool, just means I enjoyed it more.

However I would have only changed one thing. And that is making Blake's name Robin. His name could have stayed Blake whatever and it would have been fine.


I actually thought for a while that Batman's back had been broken and that Blake was going to find the gear and become Batman to fight off Bane. But it worked out fine the way it did.



Also felt like the passage of 5 months felt way too rushed. It might have been good to make this movie a 2 parter, with this one ending when Bane takes over Gotham, then the sequel being the rest of it.

[ResultsMayVary]

A lot of people label just about any film that requires you to pay attention and actually think as a mindfuck.

This.

Most people almost make it seem like they have incredibly short attention spans. I was able to understand and enjoy TDKR when I watched it today. Such a great movie. Although with these movies, it'll take multiple views before you catch all the little subtle things that link the three movies together (such as the pearls, etc).

[Adami]

The only part of the movie that I am choosing to interpret another way than strictly as it was presented was when Bruce was climbing out of the cage without a rope and the bats all flew out. I chose to believe that those bats were merely an allusion to his fears and not actually there.


But the ending? Well I think it's obvious that it was all in the 6th level of the dream and that Leo Decaprio was actually Alfred the whole time.

[Ravenheart]

Directed by Charlie Dominici.

[senecadawg2]

A lot of people label just about any film that requires you to pay attention and actually think as a mindfuck.

It's not that I couldn't follow the plot, or didn't understand the ending. I just thought there were too many unnecessary side plots/characters, and that the excess hurt the movie's potential. 

[MykeHavoc]

The only part of the movie that I am choosing to interpret another way than strictly as it was presented was when Bruce was climbing out of the cage without a rope and the bats all flew out. I chose to believe that those bats were merely an allusion to his fears and not actually there.

Yup. I noted that earlier. I'm not definitive with a belief one way or the other, but I like ambiguity for it.

[Ħ]

Either way, the bats were a thrilling addition. They were completely unexpected and basically doubled the intensity of the moment.

[Super Dude]

A lot of people label just about any film that requires you to pay attention and actually think as a mindfuck.

To be fair, it's sometimes hard to understand all the ins and outs of a film when your first viewing is mainly focused on enjoyment rather than analysis of all the details. And unless you're a film critic, your first viewing is probably almost entirely about entertainment.

[MykeHavoc]

Just got back from my second full viewing. Holds up well. The small gripes I initially had are pretty much gone. What works in the film far outweighs what doesn't. I still wouldn't put it quite up there with Dark Knight, but it may be a bit above Batman Begins. It's tough to rank all the Batman films together, as I have as much affection for Burton's films as I do Nolan's. But if I were hard pressed, it may look like this:

Batman Returns
Dark Knight
Batman
Dark Knight Rises
Batman Begins
------------------
Batman Forever
Batman: The Movie
Batman & Robin

All above the line are pretty much solid 5/5. The ones below are 3/5 or less.

[Phoenix87x]

 The Batman/Catwoman dynamic just fascinates me to no end, thus leaving Rises and Returns at the top of list. and oh my god, that part in Returns where Batman and Catwoman come to the Masquerade ball and their costumes are Selena Kyle and Bruce Wayne. That's who they are pretending to be. Brilliant.

1. Batman Returns
2. Dark Knight Rises
3. Batman 89
4. Batman Begins
5. Dark Knight
---------------------
6. Batman Forever
7. Batman and Robin

[jingle.boy]

for my money

TDK
Batman
Batman Returns
TDKR
Batman Begins
Batman Forever




Batman & Robin

I rank Batman as high as I did because for those of us that saw it in 89 in the theater's, the hype for this was out of this world.  Bear in mind at that time, the only perspective of (live-action) Batman was Adam West.  This was mind-blowing at the time.

[Ravenheart]

A lot of people label just about any film that requires you to pay attention and actually think as a mindfuck.

It's not that I couldn't follow the plot, or didn't understand the ending. I just thought there were too many unnecessary side plots/characters, and that the excess hurt the movie's potential.

So did I, actually, and that's part of where some of my criticism of the overall film stems from.

A lot of people label just about any film that requires you to pay attention and actually think as a mindfuck.

To be fair, it's sometimes hard to understand all the ins and outs of a film when your first viewing is mainly focused on enjoyment rather than analysis of all the details. And unless you're a film critic, your first viewing is probably almost entirely about entertainment.

Oh, definitely. I can recall many first viewings of films when I missed important bits of info, particularly during both TDK and TDKR. I just meant that "mindfuck," or any variation of it, is tossed around a lot these days.

[Implode]

The only Burton Batman I've seen is Batman and Robin. I take it that the others were much better?

[chrisbDTM]

The only Burton Batman I've seen is Batman and Robin. I take it that the others were much better?

burton only did batman and batman returns.


i love batman forever, and even batman and robin. mainly because it came out when i was a kid and watched it all the time.

[jingle.boy]

The only Burton Batman I've seen is Batman and Robin. I take it that the others were much better?

B&R should be stricken from the history books.  Terrible in relation to the first three.  It's kinda like Superman 4.  I would say once you get to the third movie in a series (other than actual planned Trilogy's), the quality diminishes.  By the fourth, 99% of those have jumped the shark ... or nuked the fridge (ironically, from a 4th movie!).  The only 4th movie I can think of that's any good is Die Hard.

[MykeHavoc]

The Batman/Catwoman dynamic just fascinates me to no end, thus leaving Rises and Returns at the top of list. and oh my god, that part in Returns where Batman and Catwoman come to the Masquerade ball and their costumes are Selena Kyle and Bruce Wayne. That's who they are pretending to be. Brilliant.

Yes. This. It's my favorite scene in the film. I didn't appreciate it as a kid, but now it brings a tear to my eye.

I rank Batman as high as I did because for those of us that saw it in 89 in the theater's, the hype for this was out of this world.  Bear in mind at that time, the only perspective of (live-action) Batman was Adam West.  This was mind-blowing at the time.

Absolutely. This times a million. We had never seen anything like it. It's easily the most important film in my life growing up.

[jingle.boy]

Oh, and Michael Keaton > Christian Bale.

I just can't get over Bale's Batman voice.  I know it's been posted before, but this is awesome.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOg3ZE3hNQc&feature=related

[MetropolisWatches]

The only Burton Batman I've seen is Batman and Robin. I take it that the others were much better?

burton only did batman and batman returns.

I also believe Burton had involvement in Forever as a producer.

[jammindude]

for my money

TDK
Batman
Batman Returns
TDKR
Batman Begins
Batman Forever




Batman & Robin

I rank Batman as high as I did because for those of us that saw it in 89 in the theater's, the hype for this was out of this world.  Bear in mind at that time, the only perspective of (live-action) Batman was Adam West.  This was mind-blowing at the time.

Over-hyped IMO.   I was so psyched for that first movie...and thought it was one of the biggest balls of 'meh' I had ever seen.   BB was the vision I had in my head, and Burton totally blew it.

I rate them:

The Dark Knight
The Dark Knight Rises
Batman Begins


Batman Forever
Batman Returns
Batman










Batman & Robin

[Kotowboy]

The only Burton Batman I've seen is Batman and Robin. I take it that the others were much better?

B&R should be stricken from the history books.  Terrible in relation to the first three.  It's kinda like Superman 4.  I would say once you get to the third movie in a series (other than actual planned Trilogy's), the quality diminishes.  By the fourth, 99% of those have jumped the shark ... or nuked the fridge (ironically, from a 4th movie!).  The only 4th movie I can think of that's any good is Die Hard.

I agree. I really enjoyed Die hard 4.0  I thought It was better than 2.

[fadetoblackdude7]

The Dark Knight Rises
The Dark Knight
Batman Begins

Batman Returns
Batman

Batman Forever







Batman & Robin

[Adami]

The Dark Knight
The Dark Knight Rises (these two almost being tied)
Batman Begins
Batman Returns
Batman
Batman the Movie
Beetlejuice
Most movies
Batman Forever
Batman and Robin
Every other movie in existence except one
Transformers 2.

[Dark Castle]

The Dark Knight Rises
The Dark Knight
Batman Begins

Batman Returns
Batman

Batman Forever







Batman & Robin

[AcidLameLTE]

I was told to post this and direct it at Chino:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3awmpoB6sP4&t=6m43s

[Adami]

I was told to post this and direct it at Chino:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3awmpoB6sP4&t=6m43s

Is THAT the redlettermedia guy?!?!?! He's not nearly as old and creepy as I thought.