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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: ariich on March 12, 2021, 01:50:45 PM
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The last one was 119 pages and now that Phase 4 has begun, it's probably a good time for a new thread.
Also, given that WandaVision had its own thread, I thought a good way to do things might be to make this a general thread for the MCU with no spoilers from the latest/current entries, but new movies/shows can have their own spoiler-filled threads. That would allow people who haven't caught up on the latest ones to still be able to discuss the MCU. I think we took this approach temporarily with a couple of the big Avengers movies, but any objections to doing it on an ongoing basis?
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Old thread here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=48444.0
Spoiler-filled individual threads for Phase 4:
- WandaVision (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55739.0)
- The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=55739.0)
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First! I guess next on the docket is going to be Black Widow (finally). jingle.son is prepared to drop the $30 it probably will be if/when it comes to Disney+. Ain't no way theaters around here are gonna be open anytime soon, and he told me it was releasing in China soon??
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Because of Covid delays, we're supposedly getting 4 movies and 6 Disney+ seasons during 2021, which is a huge step up in sheer volume of content if it happens that way.
The movies are:
Black Widow (May)
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (July)
Eternals (November)
Spider-Man: No Way Home (December)
The shows are:
WandaVision (January)
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (March)
Loki (June)
What If...? (mid 2021)
Ms. Marvel (late 2021)
Hawkeye (late 2021)
Of those, What If? isn't really canon except that with them seemingly introducing the multiverse, in a sense everything becomes canon but just happened in a different universe.
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That's a really stacked lineup. I doubt I'm going to see any of the movies in the theater. Will just have to wait for them to come on Disney+
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Iron Man 2 is the worst MCU film.
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I can't wait to get more Marvel on Friday. If the cinemas aren't very open or doing well for the rest of the year, I really hope they do streaming. I'll be disappointed if timelines get pushed back again.
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My wife and I are trying to catch up on the MCU. We had been doing pretty good up through Age of Ultron, and then we had our son and other things took precedence. We are now caught up through Captain Marvel, so, of the movies, we only have Ant Man & The Wasp and then Endgame to go.
On the TV side of things though, we've been watching Agents of SHIELD, and, outside of Ming Na Wen, not really impressed with the show. We're about midway through Season 2. Does it get better? The writing feels really clumsy, and the character Grant Ward (and the actor who plays him) just seems so stiff and awkward. We're kind of hate watching it at this point.
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My wife and I are trying to catch up on the MCU. We had been doing pretty good up through Age of Ultron, and then we had our son and other things took precedence. We are now caught up through Captain Marvel, so, of the movies, we only have Ant Man & The Wasp and then Endgame to go.
On the TV side of things though, we've been watching Agents of SHIELD, and, outside of Ming Na Wen, not really impressed with the show. We're about midway through Season 2. Does it get better? The writing feels really clumsy, and the character Grant Ward (and the actor who plays him) just seems so stiff and awkward. We're kind of hate watching it at this point.
I enjoyed it from the start but it definitely improves and by season 3 is pretty great.
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Do NOT give up on AOS.
Personally, I don’t mind the early seasons like some do, but there is a definite upturn in quality in seasons 3-5 especially. And a couple of the story lines have an impact on the story line in the movies.
Heck even WandaVision had a major reveal near the end that was a major plot point in one of the later seasons of AOS. (5 or 6...can’t remember)
I just bought the entire series on DVD. Can’t wait for it to arrive
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My wife and I are trying to catch up on the MCU. We had been doing pretty good up through Age of Ultron, and then we had our son and other things took precedence. We are now caught up through Captain Marvel, so, of the movies, we only have Ant Man & The Wasp and then Endgame to go.
On the TV side of things though, we've been watching Agents of SHIELD, and, outside of Ming Na Wen, not really impressed with the show. We're about midway through Season 2. Does it get better? The writing feels really clumsy, and the character Grant Ward (and the actor who plays him) just seems so stiff and awkward. We're kind of hate watching it at this point.
I enjoyed it from the start but it definitely improves and by season 3 is pretty great.
I echo this completely. I don't have an issue with S1 the way others do. If you have the wherewithal to work your way thru one more season, S3 is a very good one and they only continue to improve. However, if you aren't digging it even 1/2 way thru, it just might not be for you. Though, it may already not be for you if you didn't enjoy and/or aren't intrigued by the 2nd half of S2
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We are at the point in S2 where we found out that Whitehall killed Skye's mom, and Ward just killed his family.
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I'm one of the weirdos who enjoyed seasons 6 & 7 more than anything else.
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I enjoyed most of it, from start to finish.
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We are at the point in S2 where we found out that Whitehall killed Skye's mom, and Ward just killed his family.
Ok, so you're about 1/2 way thru S2. I suggest giving it a go to the end. If it doesn't float your boat, it just might not be the show for you.
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I'm one of the weirdos who enjoyed seasons 6 & 7 more than anything else.
I think both of those seasons benefited from having fewer episodes. 7, especially. The first half of Season 5 could have used some similar trimming, IMO. Season 4, with it's 3 mini-arcs made the best use of a 22-episode season, IMO.
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Ok - what's everyone's favourite and least favourite film in the MCU ?
My favourite : probably Infinity War or Avengers (2012) or the first Iron Man. There's loads to choose from. Thor Ragnarok is also way up there along with the first GOTG.
When they're good they're very good. Could probably cheat and say Infinity War & Endgame as one film as it was originally titled Part I and Part II.
My Least favourite is definitely Iron Man 2. Not as bad on my second viewing - but a really mediocre follow up to Iron Man - which is almost a perfect film IMO.
That or the first Captain America or any Hulk movie. Stand alone Hulk movies are never good.
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Personally, I'd definitely place Iron Man 2 at the bottom. It's still enjoyable, but I find it easily the weakest.
Favourite is harder, but it would be one of the following:
- The Avengers
- Guardians of the Galaxy
- Captain America: Civil War
- Black Panther
- Infinity War
- Captain Marvel
- Endgame
As you can see I generally think the franchise has strengthened over time and most of my favourites are in phase 3.
Those are just the movies. I would also add WandaVision as another favourite, and also some of the Netflix shows (if they count).
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Apart from Avengers and Iron Man - Phase 1 is not that great.
Iron Man 2 is just Mickey Rourke planning stuff for the whole film - only to turn up right at the end and almost immediately lose.
I can't even remember Sam Rockwell's part in it.
Phase 2 and 3 definitely improve as they go along. Plus I don't dislike Iron Man 3 - but I never read any comics so the Mandarin reveal went over my head
and I took it at face value.
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Least favorite would go to IM2 or Dark World.
Favorite on merit is probably Guardians 1 or Winter Soldier.
Nothing will ever compare to seeing Endgame on opening night in IMAX though, that was an incomparable movie experience that I doubt I'll ever have again. I even watch fan reaction vids of the on your left scene just to relive the moment.
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My least favorite is easily Thor: The Dark World.
Favorite is more difficult. My top 4 in release order are The Avengers, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Avengers: Infinity War, and Avengers: Endgame.
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I've seen 13 of the MCU movies opening night/weekend and apart from a couple of them notably Ant-Man & The Wasp, the theater was packed and filled with hardcore fans and the atmosphere was just fantastic to watch those movies. Not one single person was talking or on their phones at any time during the movie, there was loud cheering, applause, laughter, etc.. it was honestly a lot of fun every single time.
Some I saw in IMAX, some in Dolby. I think the Dolby ones were the best, sound and picture quality was unparalleled.
I still can't rank the top 5.
It will have to be among these
Iron Man
Winter Soldier
Avengers
Civil War
Infinity War
Endgame
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My least favorites are The Incredible Hulk and Thor: Dark World.
Favorites are The Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame, Guardians Of The Galaxy.
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Nothing will ever compare to seeing Endgame on opening night in IMAX though, that was an incomparable movie experience that I doubt I'll ever have again. I even watch fan reaction vids of the on your left scene just to relive the moment.
Ditto. Though, it's hard to pick between "On your left", Cap picking up Mjolnir, or "Avengers.... Assemble" as to which gave me the biggest goosebumps. And by "goosebumps" I mean "boner"
I enjoyed Dark World well enough at the time, but it's the one that has aged the worst. IM2 was the one I liked the least. Least memorable for me would be GOTG2, and Ant Man & Wasp. Both tried (too hard, imo) to capture the quirky uniqueness of their original counterpart, but both did not succeed.
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Favorite is Infinity War. But Endgame, The Avengers, Homecoming, and GOTG are way, way up there too.
Least favorite probably depends on my mood at any given moment, but the candidates are Hulk, GOTG2, and Captain Marvel. The next tier up from there would include IM2 and Thor 1 and Thor 2. But, really, there isn't a single one that I actively dislike. And they have all played a pretty important role in forming the complete MCU.
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Speaking of memorable theater moments, the crowd for Infinity War was brilliant as well. There was a group of slightly drunk, very vocal young men behind me who were fucking hysterical. When Spiderman went all ashy, one guy was all, really fucking loud, "are you crying dude?"
When the credits started rolling, same guy says totally heartbroken "did we just lose?"
I was fucking rolling.
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And for me, the thing is, while we might laugh at reactions like that, both films (Infinity War and Endgame) earned those types of reactions.
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And for me, the thing is, while we might laugh at reactions like that, both films (Infinity War and Endgame) earned those types of reactions.
Damn straight. Like the chef said, I don't think I'll ever get a theater experience like either of those. I think the biggest pop out of either movie was Thor arriving in Wakanda.
I really want to find 5.5 hours of free time some time to watch both back-to-back.
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But did anyone truly think that anyone who died in Infinity War wasn't coming back ?
I mean Endgame was originally titled Infinity War Part 2.
I thought GOTG2 was just as good as the first one and Kurt Russell was fantastic. Why have he and Jeff bridges never played brothers ?
have they even been in a film together ?!
The THOR films are mostly poop apart from Ragnarok which is awesome. Though i'm hoping that Love & Thunder doesn't double down on
the comedy. Plus I hope we get BUFF Thor back. fat Thor was funny for one film. We don't need it again.
Infinity War & Endgame are perfect cinema movies. You couldn't get the same experience watching it on TV by yourself.
The audience in my screenings were SILENT apart from the appropriate reactions. And that's what you want.
I went to a midnight premiere of The Force Awakens and they had to pause the movie to throw some people out who were shouting and throwing glass around.
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But did anyone truly think that anyone who died in Infinity War wasn't coming back ?
Died or who were dusted? From what I saw, most people figured that those who dusted due to the snap were coming back. But there was all kinds of speculation about those who actually died (e.g. Gamorra, Loki, Vision).
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Yes dusted. For instance we already knew there was a Dr. Strange and Spidey sequel.
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But did anyone truly think that anyone who died in Infinity War wasn't coming back ?
I mean Endgame was originally titled Infinity War Part 2.
I thought GOTG2 was just as good as the first one and Kurt Russell was fantastic. Why have he and Jeff bridges never played brothers ?
have they even been in a film together ?!
The THOR films are mostly poop apart from Ragnarok which is awesome. Though i'm hoping that Love & Thunder doesn't double down on
the comedy. Plus I hope we get BUFF Thor back. fat Thor was funny for one film. We don't need it again.
Infinity War & Endgame are perfect cinema movies. You couldn't get the same experience watching it on TV by yourself.
The audience in my screenings were SILENT apart from the appropriate reactions. And that's what you want.
I went to a midnight premiere of The Force Awakens and they had to pause the movie to throw some people out who were shouting and throwing glass around.
Hemsworth got super ripped for that Hulk Hogan biopic, so they're gonna have to make his fat suit really thin. He'll probably be fat at the beginning and time with pass, or they'll show him training. Thanos is dead and everyone who was snapped returned, so there's no reason for him to be depressed anymore. All is right, except Black Widow and Tony, but he seemed pretty happy with the Guardians.
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But did anyone truly think that anyone who died in Infinity War wasn't coming back ?
Wasn't really about that though. As you say, we knew some other films that were on their way involving dusted characters, plus they were hardly going to actually kill off half of their superhero roster permanently, so obviously we all assumed they'd come back somehow. But it will a thrilling experience because of:
- Being surprised that they actually went ahead and did that in a major blockbuster movie;
- Feeling the emotions of the characters and what they were going through;
- Speculating about what would happen next and how things would get resolved (which none of us guessed correctly).
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But did anyone truly think that anyone who died in Infinity War wasn't coming back ?
Wasn't really about that though. As you say, we knew some other films that were on their way involving dusted characters, plus they were hardly going to actually kill off half of their superhero roster permanently, so obviously we all assumed they'd come back somehow. But it will a thrilling experience because of:
- Being surprised that they actually went ahead and did that in a major blockbuster movie;
- Feeling the emotions of the characters and what they were going through;
- Speculating about what would happen next and how things would get resolved (which none of us guessed correctly).
At the end of Infinity War, my wife was legit distraught and furious with me for not preparing her for the fact that so many characters would be killed.
I was so happy.
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Wait, what? People die in Infinity War?
:) :) :)
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But did anyone truly think that anyone who died in Infinity War wasn't coming back ?
Wasn't really about that though. As you say, we knew some other films that were on their way involving dusted characters, plus they were hardly going to actually kill off half of their superhero roster permanently, so obviously we all assumed they'd come back somehow. But it will a thrilling experience because of:
- Being surprised that they actually went ahead and did that in a major blockbuster movie;
- Feeling the emotions of the characters and what they were going through;
- Speculating about what would happen next and how things would get resolved (which none of us guessed correctly).
When I get choked up over a characters death, it's usually more about how that death impacts the other characters that gets me, more than the death itself. That they may come back later doesn't negate the emotions of the other characters in that moment.
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But did anyone truly think that anyone who died in Infinity War wasn't coming back ?
Wasn't really about that though. As you say, we knew some other films that were on their way involving dusted characters, plus they were hardly going to actually kill off half of their superhero roster permanently, so obviously we all assumed they'd come back somehow. But it will a thrilling experience because of:
- Being surprised that they actually went ahead and did that in a major blockbuster movie;
- Feeling the emotions of the characters and what they were going through;
- Speculating about what would happen next and how things would get resolved (which none of us guessed correctly).
When I get choked up over a characters death, it's usually more about how that death impacts the other characters that gets me, more than the death itself. That they may come back later doesn't negate the emotions of the other characters in that moment.
Absolutely. Marvel do that sort of thing really well.
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(replying to Stadler) I know you were working on seeing these in order. Please tell me you’ve seen Infinity War and Endgame by now.
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Apart from Avengers and Iron Man - Phase 1 is not that great.
Iron Man 2 is just Mickey Rourke planning stuff for the whole film - only to turn up right at the end and almost immediately lose.
I can't even remember Sam Rockwell's part in it.
Phase 2 and 3 definitely improve as they go along. Plus I don't dislike Iron Man 3 - but I never read any comics so the Mandarin reveal went over my head
and I took it at face value.
Seriously????? Rockwell was the most entertaining character by far. You have strange taste.
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Strange tastes - or I watched IM2 so long actually I - forgot what he did in it.
Like I said.............
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(replying to Stadler) I know you were working on seeing these in order. Please tell me you’ve seen Infinity War and Endgame by now.
I've watched 17 films so far. I forget the order, so I can't remember the last one I watched (maybe Dr. Strange), but this is what I have left, and the order I'm probably going to watch them:
Black Panther
Thor: Ragnarok
Avengers: Infinity War
Ant-Man And Wasp
Avengers: End Game
Spider-Man: Far From Home
So, no, on A:IW and A:EG.
(But I was only kidding about the spoilers thing; I do not expect people to discuss this on my schedule.)
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For the ones you have left, that is the right order.
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It shouldn't matter but Ragnarok released before Black Panther.
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It shouldn't matter but Ragnarok released before Black Panther.
That is true, but Ragnarok flows better if seen right before IW because of, well, you know :biggrin:
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Exactly. The order that Stadler has them is a much better viewing order. Black Panther, love it or hate it, is "generic good guy vs. bad guy superhero movie" that moves the ball very little in terms of the Infinity Saga, other than just establishing the setting of Wakanda. Ragnarok, on the other hand, is huge in terms of setting up Infinity War.
If I ever could find the time, I would love to do a partial rewatch of Thor's journey by doing:
Thor
Avengers
Thor II
Avengers Age of Ultron
Ragnarok
Infinity War
Endgame
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True, I had forgotten the setup for Infinity War is Ragnarok. I was just going by year and sequence of release and as I said not a big deal. But yeah I would watch in the order listed.
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We've not stuck to release order. We (I, since wife and daughter bailed on it) watched Captain Marvel a while ago, and we watched the two Guardians films back to back.
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Purchased all 7 seasons of AOS off of EBay for $60.
I can’t even find any evidence that season 7 had a physical release, so I’m wondering if they are boots. If they are, they are nice ones. The artwork isn’t blurry or anything. But seasons 6 and 7 look like they are packed in HQ fan art.
I have loathed the idea of boots for over a decade, but I’ve always said that the exception would be if the company refuses to make a physical copy for purchase. If that’s the case, then yo ho ho and a bottle of rum. :yarr
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We've not stuck to release order. We (I, since wife and daughter bailed on it) watched Captain Marvel a while ago, and we watched the two Guardians films back to back.
Make sure you watch Infinity War and Endgame in a dark room with no distractions.
I was thinking yesterday that the arcs of Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, and Thor Odinson over the course of these 20+ movies are masterful storytelling and character development. It’s unfortunate so many people miss that, and yes I’m including Scorcese.
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Agree completely. I think it's ignored as the Marvel tone is colourful and often humorous. But making everyone dour and frowny does not make high drama. (If it did then the DC movies might have cleaned up...)
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Even with what I've seen so far, I (mostly) agree with that. I love the Stark evolution; I've come to not like Steve Rogers all that much (though he attracts hot women like bees to honey); I've not gotten far enough, I guess, with Thor, who I think I like (though he's tied to Natalie Portman, who I find annoying).
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Thor's evolution really kicks into gear over the arc from Ragnarok to Infinity War to Endgame, so no surprise that you don't feel like you've gotten far with him yet.
I won't spoil anything, but there is a moment coming up with Captain America that really will...er...allow you to compare old Cap and new Cap side by side to appreciate how far he has come.
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I won't spoil anything, but there is a moment coming up with Captain America that really will...er...allow you to compare old Cap and new Cap side by side to appreciate how far he has come.
Nicely done.
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Even with what I've seen so far, I (mostly) agree with that. I love the Stark evolution; I've come to not like Steve Rogers all that much (though he attracts hot women like bees to honey); I've not gotten far enough, I guess, with Thor, who I think I like (though he's tied to Natalie Portman, who I find annoying).
Interesting. I found him rather bland from the start through to Age of Ultron. Winter Soldier and Civil War propelled my interest and love of the character forward immensely. You're already thru those, and still don't have much appeal for/of him, eh? :huh
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Even with what I've seen so far, I (mostly) agree with that. I love the Stark evolution; I've come to not like Steve Rogers all that much (though he attracts hot women like bees to honey); I've not gotten far enough, I guess, with Thor, who I think I like (though he's tied to Natalie Portman, who I find annoying).
Interesting. I found him rather bland from the start through to Age of Ultron. Winter Soldier and Civil War propelled my interest and love of the character forward immensely. You're already thru those, and still don't have much appeal for/of him, eh? :huh
Too progressive.
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I've never been on this side of the forum before, but I was surprised to see an MCU thread here, so I figured my first post here would be about the MCU line-up shift that was announced yesterday with Black Widow now coming out in July, and Shang-Chi in September. The Eternals is still set for November, and Spider-Man No Way Home in December. If the dates for films in 2022 don't change (due to production delays), it looks like we will be getting SEVEN films in the course of a year, between Black Widow in July of 2021, through Black Panther 2 in July of 2022 (with Thor: Love And Thunder before it in May, and Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness in March).
This beats the MCU's previous record of FIVE films in one year, between GOTG Vol. 2 and Avengers Infinity War (which had Spider-Man Homecoming, Thor: Ragnarok, and Black Panther between them).
It's pretty insane that we're going from the MCU's longest gap between films (previously held between The Incredible Hulk in June 2008 and Iron Man 2 in May 2010) to having the MOST number of films in a single year's time.
-Marc.
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Even with what I've seen so far, I (mostly) agree with that. I love the Stark evolution; I've come to not like Steve Rogers all that much (though he attracts hot women like bees to honey); I've not gotten far enough, I guess, with Thor, who I think I like (though he's tied to Natalie Portman, who I find annoying).
Interesting. I found him rather bland from the start through to Age of Ultron. Winter Soldier and Civil War propelled my interest and love of the character forward immensely. You're already thru those, and still don't have much appeal for/of him, eh? :huh
Too progressive.
:clap:
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I've never been on this side of the forum before, but I was surprised to see an MCU thread here, so I figured my first post here would be about the MCU line-up shift that was announced yesterday with Black Widow now coming out in July, and Shang-Chi in September. The Eternals is still set for November, and Spider-Man No Way Home in December. If the dates for films in 2022 don't change (due to production delays), it looks like we will be getting SEVEN films in the course of a year, between Black Widow in July of 2021, through Black Panther 2 in July of 2022 (with Thor: Love And Thunder before it in May, and Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness in March).
This beats the MCU's previous record of FIVE films in one year, between GOTG Vol. 2 and Avengers Infinity War (which had Spider-Man Homecoming, Thor: Ragnarok, and Black Panther between them).
It's pretty insane that we're going from the MCU's longest gap between films (previously held between The Incredible Hulk in June 2008 and Iron Man 2 in May 2010) to having the MOST number of films in a single year's time.
-Marc.
And at a time when I think most of us are starving for film content on the big screen.
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I'm watching Thor 2. It's not great. But the scene of his mother's funeral was really beautiful, I thought.
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I'm watching Thor 2. It's not great. But the scene of his mother's funeral was really beautiful, I thought.
After Endgame came out (almost two years ago at this point), I did an MCU rewatch through the summer, and I liked Thor TDW a bit more than I did before. Time and memory kind of tainted my feelings for it, as well as the over-all internet criticisms of the film, but watching it again with Endgame's revisit of that era, I felt a bit better about certain parts of TDW. It's still not a great film, and it might be my least favorite Thor film and least favorite Phase 2 film, but there are some great moments, especially parts with Loki in the 2nd act, more Frigga than the first film, and some of the third act/final battle sequence in London.
-Marc.
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When Lockdown 1 started in the UK I decided to watch all the MCU ( minus Spidey and Hulk which aren't on Disney ) - and Cap America 1 isn't as bad as I remember.
But Iron Man 2 is. It has nothing on the first Iron Man. Thor 1 and 2 are just ...ok.... I thought Ant Man 2 was a bit better second time - still not as good as the first one.
What is the best 'second' stand alone movie would you say GOTG2 maybe ? Almost as good - if not better than GOTG 1 for me.
Spidey Far From Home was not as good as the first one either.
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Cap 2. By far.
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Is that The Winter Soldier or Civil War ? i forget the timeline.
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Is that The Winter Soldier or Civil War ? i forget the timeline.
Winter Soldier. Yeah I think that's the best "second" stand alone movie in the MCU, followed by GOTG2.
Though that might change with some of the upcoming films :corn
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Is that The Winter Soldier or Civil War ? i forget the timeline.
Winter Soldier. I didn’t love Guardians 2 a ton (though I like it) and Ant-Man 2 just isn’t nearly as good as Winter Soldier.
I did really like Far From Home but I can’t see any of the direct sequels touching Winter Soldier.
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Iron Man 2 is at the bottom though for me. Maybe Dark World. But how did the same writing and directing team as IRON MAN decide than Iron Man 2 was good enough ?
It felt so phoned in on every level.
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I dunno. I can find a lot of enjoyable stuff in all of them. Guess I don’t dwell on the negative qualities as much. I notice them and just kind of move on.
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Nothing in the MCU is as bad as Man of Steel or Batman V Superman. . .
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Nothing in the MCU is as bad as Man of Steel or Batman V Superman. . .
We all missed out on Iron Man asking cap if he bleeds.
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Man Of Steel was promising but the last 40 mins is just stupid.
I know Blob liked to go on about Star Trek into Darkness sand the pointless destruction -s o I did a test one day.
I timed the final fight in Man Of Steel ( 40 mins ) and the USS Vengeance crash scene in Star Trek into Darkness ( 30 seconds )...
The destruction in MOS is literally 80x longer than the USS Vengeance crash in Into Darkness. ;D
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You can make a 'realistic' Superman movie. Just make a Richard Donner superman movie but do as much in camera as you can. They weren't making the Dark Knight
they were making Blade Runner Superman.
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I actually really like Iron Man 2 and Thor 2. I think with the 2nd Iron Man, they were beginning to put some pieces in play for the Avengers, we see Black Widow, more of Nick Fury and Colson and SHIELD has a bigger role. As many issues Thor 2 had with studio (Fiege?) interference, and the director not being happy neither was Charles Eccleston, I actually enjoyed it quite a lot.
They aren't at the bottom of my ranking, Hulk and Guardian 2 would be there. Not that they are terrible
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You can make a 'realistic' Superman movie. Just make a Richard Donner superman movie but do as much in camera as you can.
I’ve never seen it, but a lot of people described Superman Returns exactly this way.
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If I had to pick a least favorite, it would probably be IM3. And it’s still a 6.5/10. I just thought the Killian character was the lamest villain yet (but I loved Ben Kingsley’s performance) and the whole exploding plants turning people into either super-humans or super bombs had nothing to do with anything else in the MCU, and afterwards was completely dropped and never mentioned again.
If it weren’t for the excellent story line about Tony’s PTSD, and the follow up One Shot that established the real Mandarin, it would be a throw away.
All the rest are at least a 7 to me. Even both Thor’s, IM2 and TIH.
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Same here, they're all at least a 7 for me. Even the bottom ranked ones.
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*Christopher Eccleston ;)
And Superman Returns was great. It's just a shame it has the involvement of Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey...
And yeah Brandon Routh was a much better Superman than Henry Cavill.
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*Christopher Eccleston ;)
And Superman Returns was great. It's just a shame it has the involvement of Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey...
And yeah Brandon Routh was a much better Superman than Henry Cavill.
Cavill is starting to win me over with other roles, I honestly think it's just the awful direction from Snyder that hampers his performance as Superman.
I always found Superman Returns quite a flat and forgettable film - Routh makes for a fine Superman/Clark, but Kate Bosworth is terrible.
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Superman Returns was fucking awful.
Cavill is fantastic as Superman. He's an excellent pick. He's just never been in a good Superman film. Of course, neither has anyone else.
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I actually really like Iron Man 2 and Thor 2. I think with the 2nd Iron Man, they were beginning to put some pieces in play for the Avengers, we see Black Widow, more of Nick Fury and Colson and SHIELD has a bigger role. As many issues Thor 2 had with studio (Fiege?) interference, and the director not being happy neither was Charles Eccleston, I actually enjoyed it quite a lot.
My personal theory is that Ike Perlmutter was behind most of the "studio interference". He seems much more money-driven, while Feige actually seems to care about the artistic side. Perlmutter's decisions mostly often came down to "what will sell the most toys?" He and Feige butted heads a lot, to the point that Feige was about ready to quit. In 2015, Feige was given complete control of Marvel Studios (leaving Perlmutter in charge of Marvel TV and the comics). Looking at the movies released after then, you see happier directors and far fewer obvious signs of "studio interference".
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Feige understands that if you do your best on the story/creative side, the financial side will take care of itself.
And he's right.
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Superman Returns was fucking awful.
no
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The MCU absolutely got better with each Phase.
Phase 1 is most of the worst ( least best ) movies like Hulk and the first two Thor and Iron Man 2. Phase 2 is way more consistent and Phase three has Thor Ragnarok and Infinity War/Endgame.
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Superman Returns was fucking awful.
no
What is good about it?
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Superman Returns dragged. I wanted to like it but it's a mediocre movie.
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Superman IV : The Quest For Peace was fucking awful.
yes
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Superman Returns was fucking awful.
I don't think it's awful - I'd put it above Reeves 3rd and 4th films and Man of Steel......but it is completely pointless and pretty much forgettable now - much like the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man films really.
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I liked Brandon Routh a huge amount more than Henry Cavill. It was, overall, a bit dull tho, imo.
There were some great moments. The jumbo jet scene. Routh channeled some Reeve quality every now and again.
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God Dammit guys.
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I don't remember much about Iron Man 2 because I remember when I did watch it, I thought it blew, so I've never seen it since. I remember that Mickey Rourke was this ugly brooding guy that had some kind of beef with Stark, and Sam Rockwell played some smarmy guy named Justin who you just wanted to punch in the face really hard. Sam Rockwell is one of my favorite actors and I've literally never seen him in anything and not be awesome, and this movie is no exception. The problem is that he does it so well that I totally want to punch him in the face for two hours, and it never happens. Not even the combined presence of Gwyneth Paltrow, Scarlett Johansson, Kate Mara, and Leslie Bibb could save this movie. Mickey Rourke being ugly and brooding sure didn't help. When a movie is so bad that it wastes a Sam Rockwell performance, it's bad.
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Henry Cavill is the best Superman ever. Seriously, of the main Supermen, I think he's the best. I'm sad that it appears he's been asked to move on.
Gwyneth Paltrow, Scarlett Johansson, Kate Mara, and Leslie Bibb
It's a running joke between my wife and daughter and I about the "talent" (yes, I'm being sexist here, but in my defense I'm being sexist both ways) in the MCU. They have Liam Helmsley*, Mark Ruffalo, Chris Evans, Tom Hiddleston, Sebastian Stan, Chris Pratt, and I have... what? Zoe Soldana, but she's in green. Cobie Smulders, but she's a bit part only in the action scenes. Gwyneth Paltrow is okay, but she's more annoying than she is hot, so that detracts. Not a fan of Natalie Portman (AT ALL), ScarJo, Kate Mara or Leslie Bibb. You'd think for a bunch of nerds they'd put more eye-candy in there. I guess that's Scarlett Johansen and Natalie Portman, but they don't really work for me.
I have to make do with random Ming-Na Wen, Jaime Alexander, and Marisa Tomei sightings.
* Also a running joke; I know it's Chris Hemsworth.
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You missed all the best ones! Evangaline Lilly, Elizabeth Olson, Karen Gillian, Letitia Wright, Haley Atwell, Tessa Thompson, Brie Larsen
Oh, and I'll gladly take a green Zoe Saldana.
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You missed all the best ones! Evangaline Lilly, Elizabeth Olson, Karen Gillian, Letitia Wright, Haley Atwell, Tessa Thompson, Brie Larsen
Oh, and I'll gladly take a green Zoe Saldana.
Maybe, no, yes, maybe, maybe, YES, no. You know how TAC always makes fun of me for picking the worst album by a band, or the worst song on an album, then loving it? I'm kind of like that with women, too, I think. What guy doesn't think Scarlett Johanson is all that and a bag of chips? THIS GUY. Evangaline Lilly looks good some of the time, but I don't get the love for Elizabeth Olson; she has that sort of sk8rgrrl, chipped nail polish thing going on that I really don't like. Give you Karen Gillian, I forgot her. Don't think I've seen Letitia Wright yet, but Haley Atwell sometimes looks pretty and sometimes she's all jawbone, and I don't like that sort of hard look. Big win with Tessa Thompson, though I'll give you that. 100%. Brie Larsen? Eh. Indifferent, and it doesn't help that I always think of that stupid Nissan commercial first.
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Stadler is obviously a man of high standards and exacting taste. In that list, I have only one Maybe, several Yes, and a few Hell Yes.
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For my personal tastes, Scarlett is pretty fucking close to top of the list of all actresses.
All the others are stunning as well...but Scarlett.... Damn....
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For my personal tastes, Scarlett is pretty fucking close to top of the list of all actresses.
All the others are stunning as well...but Scarlett.... Damn....
I don't get the love for Scarlett if we're talking looks. She's reasonably good looking, but not the goddess so many seem to think she is. To each their own I guess.
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For my personal tastes, Scarlett is pretty fucking close to top of the list of all actresses.
All the others are stunning as well...but Scarlett.... Damn....
I don't get the love for Scarlett if we're talking looks. She's reasonably good looking, but not the goddess so many seem to think she is. To each their own I guess.
Iron Man 2 / Winter Soldier Scarlett >>>> IW/Endgame Scarlett.
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No love for Pom Klementieff or Kat Dennings?
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-89d33b2bb9258570e8077267fe691e05)
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Elizabeth
Scarlett
Pom
Kat
Hayley
Ming Na
Karen
Alison
Yes. A thousand times yes.
The rest? Stadler can have them.
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Henry Cavill is the best Superman ever.
No.
Out of all the Superman movies - he's the only one who doesn't act like a hero. He acts like he can't be f-ing bothered. Only cares about Lois and saving people is a chore.
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For my personal tastes, Scarlett is pretty fucking close to top of the list of all actresses.
All the others are stunning as well...but Scarlett.... Damn....
I don't get the love for Scarlett if we're talking looks. She's reasonably good looking, but not the goddess so many seem to think she is. To each their own I guess.
Where's the clinking beer glasses emoji when you need it??
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No love for Pom Klementieff or Kat Dennings?
Pom, yes. Actually, maybe a YES; I don't recall seeing her yet. Kat, maybe. I'm a fan of red lipstick, up until it looks like spackle and exceeds the lip boundaries*. :) It doesn't help that I don't like her wise-ass snark all that much.
(* While I'm not really joking, that's also an inside joke; sorry.)
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Henry Cavill is the best Superman ever.
No.
Out of all the Superman movies - he's the only one who doesn't act like a hero. He acts like he can't be f-ing bothered. Only cares about Lois and saving people is a chore.
But he's DREAMY. I have absolutely zero desire to explore that aspect of my sexuality, but if I did, he, Matt Bomer, and Zak Efron would be at the top of the list.
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Stadler is obviously a man of high standards and exacting taste. In that list, I have only one Maybe, several Yes, and a few Hell Yes.
Not really, though. I'm actually fairly forgiving, in that way: I like long hair, and a pretty smile is an absolute deal breaker. Other than that, anything is fair game. I don't like angles (I'd take 20 pounds overweight before I'd take 20 pounds underweight all day long), I don't like huge puffy lips, and I don't like chipped nail polish (being serious). Other than that, pretty tolerant. Margot Robbie, Sarah Shahi, IN, Angelina Jolie, Julia Roberts, OUT.
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That was supposed to be a joke. Jingle listed several women that many guys consider very attractive, and you came back with two Nos, two Yesses, and three Maybes. Your standards are at the very least higher than most.
A non-joking way to put it would be to say that you're just too damned picky.
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That was supposed to be a joke. Jingle listed several women that many guys consider very attractive, and you came back with two Nos, two Yesses, and three Maybes. Your standards are at the very least higher than most.
A non-joking way to put it would be to say that you're just too damned picky.
Haha, I guess. I would have given Kirstie Alley a YES, if that helps. :) :)
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Two words
Simone. Missick.
(Misty Knight in the Netflix shows)
But Hayley Atwell is an extremely close #2.
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Elizabeth
Scarlett
Pom
Kat
Hayley
Ming Na
Karen
Alison
Yes. A thousand times yes.
The rest? Stadler can have them.
Alison Brie Larsen??
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I don't get the love for Elizabeth Olson; she has that sort of sk8rgrrl, chipped nail polish thing going on that I really don't like. G
I know exactly the vibe you're talking about, and I don't care for it either.
But I've never once gotten that vibe from Elizabeth Olsen, so I'm at a loss.
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Zak Efron ? :puke:
Let's just say there are some guys I wouldn't say no to - but I definitely would say no to him.
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Two words
Simone. Missick.
(Misty Knight in the Netflix shows)
But Hayley Atwell is an extremely close #2.
Hmmm. I’m trying to figure out what they have in common. But my attempts to guess have just gone tits up.
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Two words
Simone. Missick.
(Misty Knight in the Netflix shows)
But Hayley Atwell is an extremely close #2.
Hmmm. I’m trying to figure out what they have in common. But my attempts to guess have just gone tits up.
Ask Jammin' who his favorite* actress is (Hint: I'll bet my CD collection he watches "Good Girls").
(* Or if not FAVORITE, then right up there at the top.)
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Two words
Simone. Missick.
(Misty Knight in the Netflix shows)
But Hayley Atwell is an extremely close #2.
Hmmm. I’m trying to figure out what they have in common. But my attempts to guess have just gone tits up.
That reminds me. Kat Dennings is a close 3rd.
;D
And yes Stadler, Christina Hendricks is very near perfect and I watched the first episode of Good Girls mostly for her. But the show itself didn’t grab me.
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She looks really good in that show, I'll give you that. I also have a weird thing for Meg Whitman (the actress, not the CEO).
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She looks really good in that show, I'll give you that. I also have a weird thing for Meg Whitman (the actress, not the CEO).
I totally get it. Not a bombshell....but I also have a thing for that “mousy” look which no one gets but me.
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She looks really good in that show, I'll give you that. I also have a weird thing for Meg Whitman (the actress, not the CEO).
Her?
Also it’s Mae.
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She looks really good in that show, I'll give you that. I also have a weird thing for Meg Whitman (the actress, not the CEO).
Her?
Also it’s Mae.
Was there supposed to be a photo there?
Yeah, it is Mae. I was testing you. :)
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She looks really good in that show, I'll give you that. I also have a weird thing for Meg Whitman (the actress, not the CEO).
Her?
Also it’s Mae.
Was there supposed to be a photo there?
Yeah, it is Mae. I was testing you. :)
No photo. It was an Arrested Development joke.
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She looks really good in that show, I'll give you that. I also have a weird thing for Meg Whitman (the actress, not the CEO).
Her?
Also it’s Mae.
Was there supposed to be a photo there?
Yeah, it is Mae. I was testing you. :)
No photo. It was an Arrested Development joke.
Which I should have gotten! Dammit! (Ann Veal).
I have that on DVD; I should go back and watch it again.
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Sounds like a few people haven’t seen ScarJo at her best. Like in Don Jon.
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New Black Widow trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp9pNPdNwjI
Hot damn this looks good.
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New Black Widow trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp9pNPdNwjI
Hot damn this looks good.
Seems they're going to give some flesh to the whole 'got a lot of red on my ledger' aspect of her character, which is the one thing I really wanted from this movie. Her main character arc is that sense of redemption, and I'd love an idea of what she's trying to redeem herself from. Also, ScarJo :heart
I already made a self promise that this would be my first in theater movie, a flick like this can only be seen in IMAX on opening night.
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Okay, so:
- That looks REALLY good;
- I'm a sucker for that bank shot with the arrow (off the road); I love that shit;
And third, and this isn't good: I just googled the other girl, and it's Florence Pugh. And... she looks like my kid. No, seriously, with her blond hair, she looks like my daughter.
:tdwn
Well that just sucked all the fun out of it! :)
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:lol
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Just saw the new trailer for Loki, looks excellent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW948Va-l10
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I am way more jacked for this than I am with anything else from Disney+ at the moment.
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That looks so incredibly dope.
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That looks so incredibly dope.
my 8 year old nephew was teaching my Fortnite Slang. So now it's "That's cracked!"
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Owen Wilson?
Ha ha, come on. Seriously... Owen Wilson?
Other than that, it's looks pretty cool.
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That looks so incredibly dope.
my 8 year old nephew was teaching my Fortnite Slang. So now it's "That's cracked!"
I really hope that doesn't catch on.
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That looks so incredibly dope.
my 8 year old nephew was teaching my Fortnite Slang. So now it's "That's cracked!"
I really hope that doesn't catch on.
Only around him. The joy in his eyes made me look up that stuff.
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As you might tell in the "Irritated" thread, I'm not a big fan of the slang, for the most part. BUT, King is sort of right; when my step son - who is now 13 - would try out some new phrase or buzz word, he sometimes gets this look in his eye, a sort of anticipation of "is this going to land? Are they going to think it's funny and/or clever?" And as much as I hate the slang, I don't have it in me to crush this kid's spirit. :) :)
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Back in my day, I never used any "slang".
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Kat, maybe. I'm a fan of red lipstick, up until it looks like spackle and exceeds the lip boundaries*. :) It doesn't help that I don't like her wise-ass snark all that much.
Yeah, I found myself undecided about whether I liked her or was too annoyed and found her offputting. But in the first two Thor films, I think that is exactly what they were going for with her character. But for what it's worth, she shows up later in another Marvel property you haven't seen yet, and comes across a lot more likeable.
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Shang-Chi trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giWIr7U1deA
Looks promising.
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Shang-Chi trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giWIr7U1deA
Looks promising.
Indeed.
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I'll definitely be watching but I didn't get much in the way of MCU DNA in there. Looked like a martial arts movie, which is fine, but that's all.
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I'll definitely be watching but I didn't get much in the way of MCU DNA in there. Looked like a martial arts movie, which is fine, but that's all.
Other than the fact that we will finally see the *real* Mandarin, leader of the Ten Rings, which have been present in the MCU since Iron Man 1 (and have appeared in IM2, IM3, and Ant-Man, and I think maybe Agents Of SHIELD too).
I've seen the trailer at least half a dozen times now, and I'm probably more hyped for this than BW or The Eternals this year. Just four and a half months to go!
-Marc.
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Ah, ok. I didn't catch that in the trailer. I only remember him as Ben Kingsley from IM3.
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Ah, ok. I didn't catch that in the trailer. I only remember him as Ben Kingsley from IM3.
And there’s a Marvel One Shot where Slattery (Ben Kingsley’s character) is assassinated by a henchman for the real Mandarin for using the name.
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Yeah, some googling unearthed that for me. I've not seen that. I need to check D+ tonight. :tup
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Ah, ok. I didn't catch that in the trailer. I only remember him as Ben Kingsley from IM3.
And there’s a Marvel One Shot where Slattery (Ben Kingsley’s character) is assassinated by a henchman for the real Mandarin for using the name.
Not assassinated, but broken out of jail by an undercover Ten Rings operative, taking him out to see "the real Mandarin" because he wants to speak to Trevor. If he isn't mentioned in Shang-Chi, I'll be a bit bummed, but I would understand if he isn't. The Marel One-Shots are all Canon, though, and I believe "All Hail The King" was the last one (sadly), and also featured Justin Hammer, who I hope returns in the Armor Wars series!
-Marc.
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I read yesterday that Olivia Colman is in talks to be involved in the Secret Invasion show. Holy cow, that's another acting heavyweight for the MCU.
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Ah, ok. I didn't catch that in the trailer. I only remember him as Ben Kingsley from IM3.
And there’s a Marvel One Shot where Slattery (Ben Kingsley’s character) is assassinated by a henchman for the real Mandarin for using the name.
Not assassinated, but broken out of jail by an undercover Ten Rings operative, taking him out to see "the real Mandarin" because he wants to speak to Trevor. If he isn't mentioned in Shang-Chi, I'll be a bit bummed, but I would understand if he isn't. The Marel One-Shots are all Canon, though, and I believe "All Hail The King" was the last one (sadly), and also featured Justin Hammer, who I hope returns in the Armor Wars series!
-Marc.
Are you sure? Thought I remember that there was a moment when he was going to take his picture but there was a gun in the camera? Now I have to go back and look at it again
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I stand corrected. He is alive.
Hope he makes a cameo.
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I stand corrected. He is alive.
Hope he makes a cameo.
It would be fantastic just to see him for like 2 minutes just to have the Mandarin use his rings/bracelets of power to death-punch Trevor to make him pay for soiling his name.
-Marc.
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Yeah, some googling unearthed that for me. I've not seen that. I need to check D+ tonight. :tup
That one shot is not on D+. Harrumph. :tdwn
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Bummer. I was going to check for it, but I guess you've saved me the trouble, so thanks.
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I love owning the DVDs ;D :angel:
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And me with the blu-rays ;D
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And me with the 4k UHDs ;D
I've somehow been completely unaware of these canonical Marvel One Shots, I'll have to check those out.
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lol touche, I have just begun my 4k collection and haven't felt like double dipping on 4k upgrades of all the blurays just yet.
I like all the one shot films, shame they stopped doing them.
Here's the list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_One-Shots#Films
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Actually, I had a senior moment where I was just thinking of all discs as DVDs and now I feel like an idiot. :loser: :facepalm:
But all mine are actually Blu-Ray and 6 of them are 4K. GOTG2, Homecoming, CM, IW, Endgame, and FFH.
AOU, Ant Man, and Civil War I have in 3D! (And yes, I have all the equipment to play it, but haven’t used it in forever)
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My phase 1 films are DVD, with the exception of Avengers (BR).
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Even though I owned most of Phase 3 as stand-alone BDs (mostly the Target Exclusive sets with bonus books), I also completed the four Marvel Studios Cinematic Universe box sets recently, and for the average price of about $50 per set, they're a steal.
(https://uc695e8f45989d4e1994f29e9734.previews.dropboxusercontent.com/p/thumb/ABL42NXcP2qWID-Ztlml3Vxoln4Ej6PWd9t9toTSKa7FXX3nYHGc_Frmkv0TdDmZ83dI24wmSUk5USaQyF-awwQOoI2JHzZJJr67RWGwBOqK0NmAsUqSYhASwDVmMhdGMQS_k8oRZGSHY2YMFk4IpSEiH2BT9_QBUmFHbrV_mkaAUvurgYp32fIwmO_GddBadZaFX-T6lQMtjKEK-ije3Mbez599rak1JVugyAKe4dfZTOs-goyORPVFylfE21Fkaq8lngyOYi_8iAG2elDY2SOCFYVQUQJtfnQxN1b6IlKGz-BgySzwZtIKaRl8C3T-bpvgK42SE1Ip9RQgZzZH-H0eMdHEKGYGiPlKNxykTwyyL5U1SXXIF3L-sR-mBHlnGGurheYT8Jc4zNVAQt5ZS9xf/p.jpeg?fv_content=true&size_mode=5)
Each set also comes with mini-posters for each film, and special art cards with art by Matt Ferguson.
-Marc.
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I got D+ so I wouldn't have to own the DVDs
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I got D+ so I wouldn't have to own the DVDs
Rite? Surprised those one-shots aren't on D+. There's some uploads on Dailymotion if anyone wants to find 'em.
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I read yesterday that Olivia Colman is in talks to be involved in the Secret Invasion show. Holy cow, that's another acting heavyweight for the MCU.
And now, apparently Emilia Clarke has signed on to this project as well. The Mother of Dragons comes to Marvel!
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I got D+ so I wouldn't have to own the DVDs
Rite? Surprised those one-shots aren't on D+. There's some uploads on Dailymotion if anyone wants to find 'em.
Ta. Will check that out
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Rewatching the MCU starting with Iron Man. At 23:37 the group holding Tony Stark is called "the Ten Rings". I forget if that thread was ever picked up again (hence the rewatch), but I'm curious if Shang-Chi will have a callback here.
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Rewatching the MCU starting with Iron Man. At 23:37 the group holding Tony Stark is called "the Ten Rings". I forget if that thread was ever picked up again (hence the rewatch), but I'm curious if Shang-Chi will have a callback here.
Yea. I’d say it’s all connected. I dunno if Shang Chi will directly call back anything from Iron Man but it’s the same group.
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Yup. And obviously referred to in IM3 (they used the Ten Rings logo for Trevor's "Mandarin" TV appearances). And one of the potential buyers in Ant Man had a Ten Rings neck tat. There may have been other subtle references as well. The thread has definitely been there.
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Thanks for those references, I suppose I'm speculating more on the specific connection between the Ten Rings in Shang-Chi and the group that kidnapped Tony Stark.
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I don't think they knew where they were going with it back then, but I am sure they will make it connect.
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Director for the upcoming Eternals movie just won the best director Oscar. I’d say that bodes well.
Has Marvel ever had a best director Oscar winner on their movie before?
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Kenneth Branagh was nominated. Didn't win.
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Kenneth Branagh was nominated. Didn't win.
Yea, Ryan Coogler got nominated too. But I do think this is a first winner. I hope she brought some of that talent to The Eternals.
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I love the anticipation. I have to wait a month plus for Loki?
DAMMIT!!
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Oh dang I was under the impression that it was starting within a week or two. Loki's set to premier June 11th.
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Sadly, with Black Widow being pushed back from May to July, we are left a whole month with no new MCU content to talk about. I'm sure BW would've helped fill that gap between TFATWS and Loki, but now we have to wait. I think we got spoiled having TFATWS coming just 2 weeks after WandaVision.
Still no release dates for What If...?, Hawkeye (which just finished filming last week), and Ms. Marvel, the latter two of which I suspect will air between October and December. Other than those 3 series, we have 4 films this year for MCU content on the back half of 2021. Delays made everything become so stacked for the July 2021-July 2022 year, with 7 films releasing in 12 months' time, and probably 4 Disney+ series (as She-Hulk and Armor Wars are filming or will film soon, so I suspect those will release in the first half of 2022).
-Marc.
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Looks like we got a few updated titles.
Black Panther 2 will be Wakanda Forever. And Captain Marvel 2 will be called “The Marvels”.
Exciting stuff!
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I gather you captured that from this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpxoFcdORI
2:57... color me intrigued.
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I'm not gonna lie, that's...a pretty solid hype piece. Color me sufficiently hyped.
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I'm not gonna lie, that's...a pretty solid hype piece. Color me sufficiently hyped.
Yep. Not gonna lie, I had to wipe a tear from my eye.
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Marvel just does everything a bazillion times better than everyone else. I still watch audience reaction vids of the 'On Your Left' scene just to relive the energy of that opening night, and it still gives me fucking chills every goddamn time.
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They used bootleg audience reaction footage... Is Marvel going to copyright strike themselves?
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They used bootleg audience reaction footage... Is Marvel going to copyright strike themselves?
Apparently it was filmed by the Russos when they went to see it.
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They used bootleg audience reaction footage... Is Marvel going to copyright strike themselves?
Apparently it was filmed by the Russos when they went to see it.
Still a crime. Disney is gonna blacklist The Russo's for sure.
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They used bootleg audience reaction footage... Is Marvel going to copyright strike themselves?
Apparently it was filmed by the Russos when they went to see it.
Still a crime. Disney is gonna blacklist The Russo's for sure.
Just like how they fired James Gunn...oh wait.
Also, the Russos are responsible for two of the five highest grossing films of all time. If they want to come back for another Captain America or Avengers film, and Feige thinks they'll be good for it, I doubt Disney would deny them the chance.
As for today's teaser, the new footage of The Eternals has me extremely hyped, and I hope it does as well as GOTG Vol. 1 did in terms of creating a likeable ensemble cast out of mostly unknown comic book characters. Then again, before the MCU, unless you read comics, no one really knew who Iron Man or Thor were.
It still blows my mind that we're getting SEVEN MCU films between this July and July 2022, with Wakanda Forever capping that run, which sounds like it'll pay tribute to Chadwick in a beautiful way with his rallying cry from Infinity War so aptly spliced into the montage.
The Marvels has a fun title card with further confirmation of Photon's and Ms. Marvel's involvement.
I'm wondering if Disney/Marvel still have the supposed October 2022 release date earmarked for another MCU film, which was announced last year, but they glossed right over it in the video. I was certain it would be Ant-Man 3 since Michael Douglas previously said it would come out in 2022, but I guess it got bumped back to 2023.
Maybe they decided to lay off on October 2022, or perhaps it'll be a surprise film, like Captain America 4 or Deadpool 3? Still no sign of Blade or a Mutant-centric film. Either way, with ten films in the next two years, and at least 10 more Disney+ shows in the pipeline, it's a damn good time to be a Marvel/MCU fan!
-Marc.
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They used bootleg audience reaction footage... Is Marvel going to copyright strike themselves?
Apparently it was filmed by the Russos when they went to see it.
Still a crime.
Not if it's for your own personal use, it isn't (or in this case, Disney's own use).
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I wasn't being serious.
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I wasn't being serious.
I know, I was just being informative for the benefit of others. :P
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Marvel just does everything a bazillion times better than everyone else. I still watch audience reaction vids of the 'On Your Left' scene just to relive the energy of that opening night, and it still gives me fucking chills every goddamn time.
That's me with Thor's arrival to Wakanda from IW. Opening night for IW was intense!
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Marvel just does everything a bazillion times better than everyone else. I still watch audience reaction vids of the 'On Your Left' scene just to relive the energy of that opening night, and it still gives me fucking chills every goddamn time.
That's me with Thor's arrival to Wakanda from IW. Opening night for IW was intense!
Totally agree. Can't wait to relive it again, I've already committed to myself to be there opening night IMAX for black widow.
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Still no sign of Blade or a Mutant-centric film.
That's fine.
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https://youtu.be/mNyLzc3MU_E
Tom Hiddleston has announced that Loki will now premier on June 9th (6/9...nice).
-Marc.
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https://youtu.be/mNyLzc3MU_E
Tom Hiddleston has announced that Loki will now premier on June 9th (6/9...nice).
-Marc.
Invariably to not conflict/compete with the releases of The Bad Batch. Good move, to spread them out.
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And also so episode 5 won’t come out the same day Black Widow does.
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Iron Man 2 turned 11 today (May 7th), and had Black Widow not been delayed again, it would've come out 11 years after ScarJo debuted as Natasha Romanoff.
-Marc.
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So....
Daughter home from school and so we watched Black Panther and Thor: Ragnarok.
Indifferent on Black Panther; it was good not great. I liked Chadwick Bozeman, and it was great to see Sterling K. Brown and Angela Bassett. Michael B. Jordan was annoying AF. I liked the battle around the train, but some of the fight scenes looked fake to me.
Thor: Ragnarok was a-MAZing, one of the best of the group so far. I generally HATE humor in these types of movies, because it usually takes the form of those stupid "Hasta la vista, babay!" quips that I can't stand, but that was legit one of the funniest movies I've seen in a long time, and yet it never once ever took anything away from the battles themselves. Getting not one but TWO fight scenes set to Led Zeppelin's "The Immigrant Song" was like a special little birthday present at the mid-year point. Idris Elba, under-used, but still excellent; Tessa Thompson, excellent (need to see more of her, and maybe kick Natalie Portman to the curb!) and they even made Cate Blanchett, dare I say, HOT (at least when her hair was down; she looked ridiculous in the antler set).
Nice touch with the Matt Damon, Luke Hemsworth and Sam Neill cameos.
Infinity War up next!!!
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Man, are you in for a treat or the next 5 hours of viewing. I re-watched both IW and Endgame a few weeks back. Damn good stuff.
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Indifferent on Black Panther; it was good not great. I liked Chadwick Bozeman, and it was great to see Sterling K. Brown and Angela Bassett. Michael B. Jordan was annoying AF. I liked the battle around the train, but some of the fight scenes looked fake to me.
Agreed that it was "good not great." But there were lots of individual things that were great to me. I like Chadwick Bozeman, but his accent has never sounded genuine to me, which makes an otherwise pretty good performance by him seem a bit stilted. Mbaku as a character was a bit problematic for me. I like the character and like what they did with him overall. But the fact that he was ready to kill T'Challa during the initial fight for the throne didn't feel consistent with how his motivations and character were fleshed out later on. And I liked how they played Michael B. Jordan's character, but I do not think that he was one of the best Marvel villains, as some have said. As a villain, I thought he was "good not great." And I totally agree with the train fight scene. Good battle. But at times, it looked so fake CGI that it took me out of the moment. But overall, good movie with some good messaging.
Hopefully, you watched the the mid-credit and post-credit scenes. I forget which is which now, but one is pretty important. (and the other is just cool, even though it may not have much direct bearing on the MCU)
Thor: Ragnarok was a-MAZing, one of the best of the group so far. I generally HATE humor in these types of movies, because it usually takes the form of those stupid "Hasta la vista, babay!" quips that I can't stand, but that was legit one of the funniest movies I've seen in a long time, and yet it never once ever took anything away from the battles themselves. Getting not one but TWO fight scenes set to Led Zeppelin's "The Immigrant Song" was like a special little birthday present at the mid-year point. Idris Elba, under-used, but still excellent; Tessa Thompson, excellent (need to see more of her, and maybe kick Natalie Portman to the curb!) and they even made Cate Blanchett, dare I say, HOT (at least when her hair was down; she looked ridiculous in the antler set).
Yeah, agreed on most of that. The issues I had with this one typically get overlooked by most, so must just be me. :dunno: But still excellent movie overall. Hopefully, you watched the mid-credits and post-credit scenes on this one as well. If you haven't, go back and do so before going any farther. Please.
And I totally agree with you on the humor aspect. Pretty much all of it really hit home for me.
I just did a sequential watch of Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame recently. And this isn't really a spoiler (well, I guess it technically is, but is VERY minor). But given what Strange says in Ragnarok about actively monitoring beings that are a threat to earth, I am kinda surprised that he apparently doesn't know who Thanos is.
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There are mid-credit scenes now?
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??? There have been for quite some time now.
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I watch maybe a couple new films a year (not counting the ones I sleep through with my kids during family movie night). And I haven't sat through the entire credits ever.
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After the movie ends and the special credits sequence starts Marvel movies typically have a scene right after that ends often referred to as the mid-credit scene. Then they almost always have a scene right after all the credits roll a good 10 mins or so after.
If you attend the movies with the full-on Marvel crowd on opening night or weekend, almost no one will get up from their seats until the very end.
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Yeah; both BP and T:R had a stylized credits - artwork, fancy type - then a cut scene, then more standard credits - white letters on a black backdrop - and then a final cut scene.
And yes I watched both for both films.
I'm surprised someone called Michael B. Jordan one of the "best Marvel villains". I don't have a list, but if I did, he's not even in the top ten. Maybe not top 15.
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I couldn't possibly do a ranking, but he subjectively feels like he would fall around bottom end of my top 10 or so.
Hela is a hard one to place for me. I mostly want to place her pretty high up. But it viscerally bothers me that they way overpowered her/underpowered the "normal" Asgardians.
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I'm surprised someone called Michael B. Jordan one of the "best Marvel villains".
Unlike most villains he actually has legitimate grievances with how Wakanda has operated, and has noble goals, if not methods. In the end, T'Challa actually accepts that Killmonger was right that Wakanda needed to no longer remain isolationist, instead using their resources to help others.
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I'm surprised someone called Michael B. Jordan one of the "best Marvel villains".
Unlike most villains he actually has legitimate grievances with how Wakanda has operated, and has noble goals, if not methods. In the end, T'Challa actually accepts that Killmonger was right that Wakanda needed to no longer remain isolationist, instead using their resources to help others.
Okay, I guess, but I'm not exactly swimming in feelings of "nobility" when a guy has so many kills his torso looks like an alligator skin wallet. Treading on thin P/R ice here, I guess, but just "wanting to help others who are like him" isn't the silver bullet that I think it is to some others. For me, that doesn't excuse everything else. To me, he was, like most villains, just someone who wanted things to be HIS way and wasn't interested in playing nice with others.
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To me, he was, like most villains, just someone who wanted things to be HIS way and wasn't interested in playing nice with others.
Exactly. His purpose being "understandable" doesn't make it "noble."
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Stadler, hurry up and watch Infinity War!
Note: Chronologically, it picks up literally a few minutes after the end credits scene from Ragnarok.
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... even made Cate Blanchett, dare I say, HOT
"Even" made her hot?
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6d900991522d3a593634abf1e976d946)
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Cate is a strange case. She has nice features, and sometimes looks absolutely lovely (such as in the above picture), but most of the time she looks to me like a wet rag. Something is just off, way off, and I've never really figured out what it is.
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I’ve never been a fan of that slim, elegant, regal look. Just does nothing for me at all.
I like em short and thick.
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I like em short and thick.
(https://i.imgflip.com/1wuoi7.jpg)
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:lol
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Going to be a fun 19 Marvel months - 8 movies and 6 or 7 shows all coming before 2023.
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... even made Cate Blanchett, dare I say, HOT
"Even" made her hot?
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6d900991522d3a593634abf1e976d946)
She looks great there, no doubt. I can't say I feel that way all the time. I'm more of a classic beauty guy, and while not quite to Jammin's standards, I'm not a fan of the waif look. Margot Robbie, Kate Winslet...
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I'm surprised someone called Michael B. Jordan one of the "best Marvel villains".
Unlike most villains he actually has legitimate grievances with how Wakanda has operated, and has noble goals, if not methods. In the end, T'Challa actually accepts that Killmonger was right that Wakanda needed to no longer remain isolationist, instead using their resources to help others.
Okay, I guess, but I'm not exactly swimming in feelings of "nobility" when a guy has so many kills his torso looks like an alligator skin wallet. Treading on thin P/R ice here, I guess, but just "wanting to help others who are like him" isn't the silver bullet that I think it is to some others. For me, that doesn't excuse everything else. To me, he was, like most villains, just someone who wanted things to be HIS way and wasn't interested in playing nice with others.
Sharing Wakanda's resources to help the downtrodden is a noble goal, but, yeah, he IS a villain. So, how he wants to go about that isn't good. But it's much more nuanced than "conquer earth", or many of the other Marvel villain motivations thus far.
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Build aside, I wasn't really aware of her beauty until I saw her on a chat show here in the UK about a decade back and I was just like :o
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New Eternals trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WVDKZJkGlY
My excitement for this is ramping up a little.
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Same here,
I am very curious as to why they did not interfered with any of the previous events. I feel this movie will set up Marvel for the next couple of years in terms of plot :corn
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Got me looking forward!
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I am very curious as to why they did not interfered with any of the previous events.
I think this is always going to be a big question with new characters like this. Curious if they'll address it or just ignore it.
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I am very curious as to why they did not interfered with any of the previous events.
I think this is always going to be a big question with new characters like this. Curious if they'll address it or just ignore it.
Maybe they did interfere in one of the 14M other timelines Strange saw, but none of those were winners.
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Same here,
I am very curious as to why they did not interfered with any of the previous events. I feel this movie will set up Marvel for the next couple of years in terms of plot :corn
From what I’ve read in the comics they have a very specific mission in mind. They defend the earth, not necessarily specific people on it. I doubt they cared a ton about thanos doing his thing or Loki or ultras taking over since the earth would’ve been fine. I’m guessing they’re choosing to interfere now because the Celestials are coming back. Then again, I dunno if they’ve changed much from the comics.
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I watched The Avengers: Infinity War and... it was a lot. My daughter said I was going to "poop" when I saw it, and she was crying like a baby at the end (Groot, Spider-Man). I didn't, but I've been thinking about it most of last night and this morning (which sucks, because I have a presentation to do later this morning).
It was a lot. I know too much, in a sense, so I know some things have to change, but for the life of me I have no idea how they're going to get there.
I will say, Thanos is a better character than I thought he was going to be. I don't know if it's just because I'm surprised at how good the effects were, or the degree to which they developed his motivations (compared to his previous appearances) but it was solid. I haven't watched any of the movies a second time yet (except for the first two, just because I watched them so long ago) but this may be the first.
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I saw IW four times in the theater, and have probably re-watched it just as many at home. Endgame I saw twice in theater, and re-watched 3 or 4 times. I think overall, IW is the better movie, the the climax of Endgame is beyond god-tier. As incredible the Wakanda/Titan sequences were... Endgame says, "Hold My Beer" - but in a good way.
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I saw IW four times in the theater, and have probably re-watched it just as many at home. Endgame I saw twice in theater, and re-watched 3 or 4 times. I think overall, IW is the better movie, the the climax of Endgame is beyond god-tier. As incredible the Wakanda/Titan sequences were... Endgame says, "Hold My Beer" - but in a good way.
On your left....
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I watched The Avengers: Infinity War and... it was a lot. My daughter said I was going to "poop" when I saw it, and she was crying like a baby at the end (Groot, Spider-Man). I didn't, but I've been thinking about it most of last night and this morning (which sucks, because I have a presentation to do later this morning).
It was a lot. I know too much, in a sense, so I know some things have to change, but for the life of me I have no idea how they're going to get there.
I will say, Thanos is a better character than I thought he was going to be. I don't know if it's just because I'm surprised at how good the effects were, or the degree to which they developed his motivations (compared to his previous appearances) but it was solid. I haven't watched any of the movies a second time yet (except for the first two, just because I watched them so long ago) but this may be the first.
"It was a lot" sounds about right. I remember leaving the theater with a "WTF just happened" reaction, and not even knowing what to say.
Be happy you don't need to wait a year to watch Endgame, with a different theory about the movie on every website you visited (Though some of them were funny).
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Like the antman up Thanos' ass one?
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Like the antman up Thanos' ass one?
Talk about a missed opportunity.
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I watched The Avengers: Infinity War and... it was a lot. My daughter said I was going to "poop" when I saw it, and she was crying like a baby at the end (Groot, Spider-Man). I didn't, but I've been thinking about it most of last night and this morning (which sucks, because I have a presentation to do later this morning).
It was a lot. I know too much, in a sense, so I know some things have to change, but for the life of me I have no idea how they're going to get there.
I will say, Thanos is a better character than I thought he was going to be. I don't know if it's just because I'm surprised at how good the effects were, or the degree to which they developed his motivations (compared to his previous appearances) but it was solid. I haven't watched any of the movies a second time yet (except for the first two, just because I watched them so long ago) but this may be the first.
Infinity War is my favorite MCU film. Endgame is close. But Infinity War is SO good on so many levels. Endgame does quite a few things arguably even better, including huge emotional impact. The only small issue I have (no spoilers--don't worry), which others will likely agree with, is that it...let's just say it pushes the envelope a bit farther in terms of having to suspend belief. Not a huge issue. But it goes just far enough that it gets the #2 spot rather than the #1 (and Spiderman: Homecoming is my #3).
Yeah, it is "a lot." In many ways. In terms of plot alone, it does SO MUCH, and has so many characters and so many settings. And yet, it doesn't really feel rushed or feel like they shortchanged any of the storylines. Yes, it moves at a breakneck pace. But that pace serves the story rather than detracting from it. It feels like it needs to move at a breakneck pace because that is what Thanos would be doing under the circumstances.
And yeah, Thanos is a great character. Infinity War really is his movie. The only character that comes close in terms of character arc in this film alone is Thor. But everything centers on Thanos. And to me, it is fascinating that probably the best and most significant feeling relationships in this movie all seem to revolve around Thanos. The two biggest and perhaps most obvious are Thor's relationship with Thanos and Tony's relationship with Thanos. Both Thor and Tony are driven because of what Thanos has done and is doing. But to a lesser extent, that is true of a lot of other characters as well, even those who maybe didn't really even know about Thanos before the events of this film. Gamorrah, Starlord, Nebula, Drax, Vision, Wanda... All were driven, to a great extent, either by a direct past relationship with Thanos or by things he did in the past that they discovered him to be behind in this film. It was really done quite brilliantly.
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Like the antman up Thanos' ass one?
Talk about a missed opportunity.
:lol Yup, that was one of them. Maybe we will see it in the "What If...?" series.
I agree with Bosk that this was Thanos movie, he was the protagonist, not the avengers.
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I watched The Avengers: Infinity War and... it was a lot. My daughter said I was going to "poop" when I saw it, and she was crying like a baby at the end (Groot, Spider-Man). I didn't, but I've been thinking about it most of last night and this morning (which sucks, because I have a presentation to do later this morning).
It was a lot. I know too much, in a sense, so I know some things have to change, but for the life of me I have no idea how they're going to get there.
I will say, Thanos is a better character than I thought he was going to be. I don't know if it's just because I'm surprised at how good the effects were, or the degree to which they developed his motivations (compared to his previous appearances) but it was solid. I haven't watched any of the movies a second time yet (except for the first two, just because I watched them so long ago) but this may be the first.
Infinity War is my favorite MCU film. Endgame is close. But Infinity War is SO good on so many levels. Endgame does quite a few things arguably even better, including huge emotional impact. The only small issue I have (no spoilers--don't worry), which others will likely agree with, is that it...let's just say it pushes the envelope a bit farther in terms of having to suspend belief. Not a huge issue. But it goes just far enough that it gets the #2 spot rather than the #1 (and Spiderman: Homecoming is my #3).
Yeah, it is "a lot." In many ways. In terms of plot alone, it does SO MUCH, and has so many characters and so many settings. And yet, it doesn't really feel rushed or feel like they shortchanged any of the storylines. Yes, it moves at a breakneck pace. But that pace serves the story rather than detracting from it. It feels like it needs to move at a breakneck pace because that is what Thanos would be doing under the circumstances.
And yeah, Thanos is a great character. Infinity War really is his movie. The only character that comes close in terms of character arc in this film alone is Thor. But everything centers on Thanos. And to me, it is fascinating that probably the best and most significant feeling relationships in this movie all seem to revolve around Thanos. The two biggest and perhaps most obvious are Thor's relationship with Thanos and Tony's relationship with Thanos. Both Thor and Tony are driven because of what Thanos has done and is doing. But to a lesser extent, that is true of a lot of other characters as well, even those who maybe didn't really even know about Thanos before the events of this film. Gamorrah, Starlord, Nebula, Drax, Vision, Wanda... All were driven, to a great extent, either by a direct past relationship with Thanos or by things he did in the past that they discovered him to be behind in this film. It was really done quite brilliantly.
I was most moved by the Thanos/Gamorrah scene. And while I didn't cry, it seemed the most... real. I have no real belief that Dr. Strange's (my favorite MCU character) fate is final, but maybe Gamorrah's is, so it felt more emotional. Don't tell me, but I'm still struggling with her asking Quill for a "favor", based on something SHE knew and Thanos didn't. I'm not sure I've sussed all that out yet.
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I watched The Avengers: Infinity War and... it was a lot. My daughter said I was going to "poop" when I saw it, and she was crying like a baby at the end (Groot, Spider-Man). I didn't, but I've been thinking about it most of last night and this morning (which sucks, because I have a presentation to do later this morning).
It was a lot. I know too much, in a sense, so I know some things have to change, but for the life of me I have no idea how they're going to get there.
I will say, Thanos is a better character than I thought he was going to be. I don't know if it's just because I'm surprised at how good the effects were, or the degree to which they developed his motivations (compared to his previous appearances) but it was solid. I haven't watched any of the movies a second time yet (except for the first two, just because I watched them so long ago) but this may be the first.
Infinity War is my favorite MCU film. Endgame is close. But Infinity War is SO good on so many levels. Endgame does quite a few things arguably even better, including huge emotional impact. The only small issue I have (no spoilers--don't worry), which others will likely agree with, is that it...let's just say it pushes the envelope a bit farther in terms of having to suspend belief. Not a huge issue. But it goes just far enough that it gets the #2 spot rather than the #1 (and Spiderman: Homecoming is my #3).
Yeah, it is "a lot." In many ways. In terms of plot alone, it does SO MUCH, and has so many characters and so many settings. And yet, it doesn't really feel rushed or feel like they shortchanged any of the storylines. Yes, it moves at a breakneck pace. But that pace serves the story rather than detracting from it. It feels like it needs to move at a breakneck pace because that is what Thanos would be doing under the circumstances.
And yeah, Thanos is a great character. Infinity War really is his movie. The only character that comes close in terms of character arc in this film alone is Thor. But everything centers on Thanos. And to me, it is fascinating that probably the best and most significant feeling relationships in this movie all seem to revolve around Thanos. The two biggest and perhaps most obvious are Thor's relationship with Thanos and Tony's relationship with Thanos. Both Thor and Tony are driven because of what Thanos has done and is doing. But to a lesser extent, that is true of a lot of other characters as well, even those who maybe didn't really even know about Thanos before the events of this film. Gamorrah, Starlord, Nebula, Drax, Vision, Wanda... All were driven, to a great extent, either by a direct past relationship with Thanos or by things he did in the past that they discovered him to be behind in this film. It was really done quite brilliantly.
I was most moved by the Thanos/Gamorrah scene. And while I didn't cry, it seemed the most... real. I have no real belief that Dr. Strange's (my favorite MCU character) fate is final, but maybe Gamorrah's is, so it felt more emotional. Don't tell me, but I'm still struggling with her asking Quill for a "favor", based on something SHE knew and Thanos didn't. I'm not sure I've sussed all that out yet.
Gamora was a real stand-out for me in IW, just as much as Thanos was. Their scenes were some of the most engaging in the film, both at Nowhere (RIP Collector) and at Vormir. And speaking of Vormir, what did you think of the return of the Red Skull? Sadly, he wasn't portrayed by Hugo Weaving, but Ross Marquand did a great job bringing the character back into the MCU. I hope he pops up again, maybe in a future Cap movie!
Given how un-busy my summer is going to be this year, I've planned out a massive MCU re-watch starting in late June, to coincide with the release of Black Widow. Assuming the film has Thursday night preview showings on July 8th, here's what my schedule will be for the MCU re-watch, featuring just the films at the Disney+ shows:
6/24 - Iron Man
6/25 - The Incredible Hulk
6/26 - Iron Man 2
6/27 - Thor
6/28 - Captain America: The First Avenger
6/29 - Avengers
6/30 - Iron Man 3
7/1 - Thor: The Dark World
7/2 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 1
7/3 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2
7/4 - Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Happy Independence Day!!!)
7/5 - Avengers: Age Of Ultron
7/6 - Ant-Man
7/7 - Captain America: Civil War
7/8 - Black Widow
7/9 - Black Panther
7/10 - Spider-Man: Homecoming
7/11 - Doctor Strange
7/12 - Thor: Ragnarok
7/13 - Avengers: Infinity War
7/14 - And-Man & The Wasp
7/15 - Captain Marvel
7/16 - Avengers: Endgame
7/17 - WandaVision (Episodes 1-5)
7/18 - WandaVision (Episodes 6-9)
7/19 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 1-3)
7/20 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 4-6)
7/21 - Spider-Man: Far From Home
And depending on the timeline of the show (which might be irrelevant), Loki might come before WandaVision, or after Spider-Man: FFH. Either way, it'll get a re-watch later this summer, definitely before What If...? starts airing, which is supposedly in August at some point.
It's been a couple of years since I've watched most of these films, back when I rewatched them all after Endgame came out, but before/during the release of Far From Home. I think I timed my rewatch schedule around the BD release of Endgame (which would've been around August 2019 I think). Of course, if I happened to have work or am busy otherwise, all dates are subject to change and shuffling, though I do want to try and catch up to Civil War by July 7th so I can be fresh for Black Widow that weekend. And if I am up for it, I'll be sure to post my thoughts on these films as I revisit them!
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Gamora was a real stand-out for me in IW, just as much as Thanos was. Their scenes were some of the most engaging in the film, both at Nowhere (RIP Collector) and at Vormir. And speaking of Vormir, what did you think of the return of the Red Skull? Sadly, he wasn't portrayed by Hugo Weaving, but Ross Marquand did a great job bringing the character back into the MCU. I hope he pops up again, maybe in a future Cap movie!
HAHA, my daughter and I were arguing about that, until they said something in the movie. I also liked the appearance of Tyrion Lannister. What he's doing in the MCU is beyond me, but still! :) :)
Look, no spoilers, but when someone dies in a superhero movie, it's only like 50-50 that it's real. I know for a fact that some of the people who were vaporized have some.... future in the series in some form or fashion. I'm hoping Gamorrah is in that group.
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So...you have Ant Man and The Wasp, Endgame, and Spiderman: Far from Home to go for phase 3. All (most) questions will be answered. :)
I suspect that when you are done, you may want to do a rewatch of Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame (and maybe Far from Home).
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So...you have Ant Man and The Wasp, Endgame, and Spiderman: Far from Home to go for phase 3. All (most) questions will be answered. :)
I suspect that when you are done, you may want to do a rewatch of Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame (and maybe Far from Home).
No Captain Marvel? Or did he see that one already? It was released just before Endgame.
-Marc.
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So...you have Ant Man and The Wasp, Endgame, and Spiderman: Far from Home to go for phase 3. All (most) questions will be answered. :)
I suspect that when you are done, you may want to do a rewatch of Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame (and maybe Far from Home).
No Captain Marvel? Or did he see that one already? It was released just before Endgame.
-Marc.
I watched it a while ago. I don't remember the exact order (as I watched them, I put an asterisk next to them, but like an idiot, I renumbered only the films I have remaining).
I'm already going to rewatch IW before Endgame, since my wife missed the last half hour or so, and I am waiting for my daughter to be home to watch AM&W, Endgame and Spider-Man with all three of us.
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I watched The Avengers: Infinity War and... it was a lot. My daughter said I was going to "poop" when I saw it, and she was crying like a baby at the end (Groot, Spider-Man). I didn't, but I've been thinking about it most of last night and this morning (which sucks, because I have a presentation to do later this morning).
It was a lot. I know too much, in a sense, so I know some things have to change, but for the life of me I have no idea how they're going to get there.
I will say, Thanos is a better character than I thought he was going to be. I don't know if it's just because I'm surprised at how good the effects were, or the degree to which they developed his motivations (compared to his previous appearances) but it was solid. I haven't watched any of the movies a second time yet (except for the first two, just because I watched them so long ago) but this may be the first.
Infinity War is my favorite MCU film. Endgame is close. But Infinity War is SO good on so many levels. Endgame does quite a few things arguably even better, including huge emotional impact. The only small issue I have (no spoilers--don't worry), which others will likely agree with, is that it...let's just say it pushes the envelope a bit farther in terms of having to suspend belief. Not a huge issue. But it goes just far enough that it gets the #2 spot rather than the #1 (and Spiderman: Homecoming is my #3).
Yeah, it is "a lot." In many ways. In terms of plot alone, it does SO MUCH, and has so many characters and so many settings. And yet, it doesn't really feel rushed or feel like they shortchanged any of the storylines. Yes, it moves at a breakneck pace. But that pace serves the story rather than detracting from it. It feels like it needs to move at a breakneck pace because that is what Thanos would be doing under the circumstances.
And yeah, Thanos is a great character. Infinity War really is his movie. The only character that comes close in terms of character arc in this film alone is Thor. But everything centers on Thanos. And to me, it is fascinating that probably the best and most significant feeling relationships in this movie all seem to revolve around Thanos. The two biggest and perhaps most obvious are Thor's relationship with Thanos and Tony's relationship with Thanos. Both Thor and Tony are driven because of what Thanos has done and is doing. But to a lesser extent, that is true of a lot of other characters as well, even those who maybe didn't really even know about Thanos before the events of this film. Gamorrah, Starlord, Nebula, Drax, Vision, Wanda... All were driven, to a great extent, either by a direct past relationship with Thanos or by things he did in the past that they discovered him to be behind in this film. It was really done quite brilliantly.
I was most moved by the Thanos/Gamorrah scene. And while I didn't cry, it seemed the most... real. I have no real belief that Dr. Strange's (my favorite MCU character) fate is final, but maybe Gamorrah's is, so it felt more emotional. Don't tell me, but I'm still struggling with her asking Quill for a "favor", based on something SHE knew and Thanos didn't. I'm not sure I've sussed all that out yet.
Gamora was a real stand-out for me in IW, just as much as Thanos was. Their scenes were some of the most engaging in the film, both at Nowhere (RIP Collector) and at Vormir. And speaking of Vormir, what did you think of the return of the Red Skull? Sadly, he wasn't portrayed by Hugo Weaving, but Ross Marquand did a great job bringing the character back into the MCU. I hope he pops up again, maybe in a future Cap movie!
Given how un-busy my summer is going to be this year, I've planned out a massive MCU re-watch starting in late June, to coincide with the release of Black Widow. Assuming the film has Thursday night preview showings on July 8th, here's what my schedule will be for the MCU re-watch, featuring just the films at the Disney+ shows:
6/24 - Iron Man
6/25 - The Incredible Hulk
6/26 - Iron Man 2
6/27 - Thor
6/28 - Captain America: The First Avenger
6/29 - Avengers
6/30 - Iron Man 3
7/1 - Thor: The Dark World
7/2 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 1
7/3 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 4
7/4 - Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Happy Independence Day!!!)
7/5 - Avengers: Age Of Ultron
7/6 - Ant-Man
7/7 - Captain America: Civil War
7/8 - Black Widow
7/9 - Black Panther
7/10 - Spider-Man: Homecoming
7/11 - Doctor Strange
7/12 - Thor: Ragnarok
7/13 - Avengers: Infinity War
7/14 - And-Man & The Wasp
7/15 - Captain Marvel
7/16 - Avengers: Endgame
7/17 - WandaVision (Episodes 1-5)
7/18 - WandaVision (Episodes 6-9)
7/19 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 1-3)
7/20 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 4-6)
7/21 - Spider-Man: Far From Home
And depending on the timeline of the show (which might be irrelevant), Loki might come before WandaVision, or after Spider-Man: FFH. Either way, it'll get a re-watch later this summer, definitely before What If...? starts airing, which is supposedly in August at some point.
It's been a couple of years since I've watched most of these films, back when I rewatched them all after Endgame came out, but before/during the release of Far From Home. I think I timed my rewatch schedule around the BD release of Endgame (which would've been around August 2019 I think). Of course, if I happened to have work or am busy otherwise, all dates are subject to change and shuffling, though I do want to try and catch up to Civil War by July 7th so I can be fresh for Black Widow that weekend. And if I am up for it, I'll be sure to post my thoughts on these films as I revisit them!
-Marc.
Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 4?!? I think I missed Vol 2 and 3, are those any good? :rollin
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I watched The Avengers: Infinity War and... it was a lot. My daughter said I was going to "poop" when I saw it, and she was crying like a baby at the end (Groot, Spider-Man). I didn't, but I've been thinking about it most of last night and this morning (which sucks, because I have a presentation to do later this morning).
It was a lot. I know too much, in a sense, so I know some things have to change, but for the life of me I have no idea how they're going to get there.
I will say, Thanos is a better character than I thought he was going to be. I don't know if it's just because I'm surprised at how good the effects were, or the degree to which they developed his motivations (compared to his previous appearances) but it was solid. I haven't watched any of the movies a second time yet (except for the first two, just because I watched them so long ago) but this may be the first.
Infinity War is my favorite MCU film. Endgame is close. But Infinity War is SO good on so many levels. Endgame does quite a few things arguably even better, including huge emotional impact. The only small issue I have (no spoilers--don't worry), which others will likely agree with, is that it...let's just say it pushes the envelope a bit farther in terms of having to suspend belief. Not a huge issue. But it goes just far enough that it gets the #2 spot rather than the #1 (and Spiderman: Homecoming is my #3).
Yeah, it is "a lot." In many ways. In terms of plot alone, it does SO MUCH, and has so many characters and so many settings. And yet, it doesn't really feel rushed or feel like they shortchanged any of the storylines. Yes, it moves at a breakneck pace. But that pace serves the story rather than detracting from it. It feels like it needs to move at a breakneck pace because that is what Thanos would be doing under the circumstances.
And yeah, Thanos is a great character. Infinity War really is his movie. The only character that comes close in terms of character arc in this film alone is Thor. But everything centers on Thanos. And to me, it is fascinating that probably the best and most significant feeling relationships in this movie all seem to revolve around Thanos. The two biggest and perhaps most obvious are Thor's relationship with Thanos and Tony's relationship with Thanos. Both Thor and Tony are driven because of what Thanos has done and is doing. But to a lesser extent, that is true of a lot of other characters as well, even those who maybe didn't really even know about Thanos before the events of this film. Gamorrah, Starlord, Nebula, Drax, Vision, Wanda... All were driven, to a great extent, either by a direct past relationship with Thanos or by things he did in the past that they discovered him to be behind in this film. It was really done quite brilliantly.
I was most moved by the Thanos/Gamorrah scene. And while I didn't cry, it seemed the most... real. I have no real belief that Dr. Strange's (my favorite MCU character) fate is final, but maybe Gamorrah's is, so it felt more emotional. Don't tell me, but I'm still struggling with her asking Quill for a "favor", based on something SHE knew and Thanos didn't. I'm not sure I've sussed all that out yet.
Gamora was a real stand-out for me in IW, just as much as Thanos was. Their scenes were some of the most engaging in the film, both at Nowhere (RIP Collector) and at Vormir. And speaking of Vormir, what did you think of the return of the Red Skull? Sadly, he wasn't portrayed by Hugo Weaving, but Ross Marquand did a great job bringing the character back into the MCU. I hope he pops up again, maybe in a future Cap movie!
Given how un-busy my summer is going to be this year, I've planned out a massive MCU re-watch starting in late June, to coincide with the release of Black Widow. Assuming the film has Thursday night preview showings on July 8th, here's what my schedule will be for the MCU re-watch, featuring just the films at the Disney+ shows:
6/24 - Iron Man
6/25 - The Incredible Hulk
6/26 - Iron Man 2
6/27 - Thor
6/28 - Captain America: The First Avenger
6/29 - Avengers
6/30 - Iron Man 3
7/1 - Thor: The Dark World
7/2 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 1
7/3 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 4
7/4 - Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Happy Independence Day!!!)
7/5 - Avengers: Age Of Ultron
7/6 - Ant-Man
7/7 - Captain America: Civil War
7/8 - Black Widow
7/9 - Black Panther
7/10 - Spider-Man: Homecoming
7/11 - Doctor Strange
7/12 - Thor: Ragnarok
7/13 - Avengers: Infinity War
7/14 - And-Man & The Wasp
7/15 - Captain Marvel
7/16 - Avengers: Endgame
7/17 - WandaVision (Episodes 1-5)
7/18 - WandaVision (Episodes 6-9)
7/19 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 1-3)
7/20 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 4-6)
7/21 - Spider-Man: Far From Home
And depending on the timeline of the show (which might be irrelevant), Loki might come before WandaVision, or after Spider-Man: FFH. Either way, it'll get a re-watch later this summer, definitely before What If...? starts airing, which is supposedly in August at some point.
It's been a couple of years since I've watched most of these films, back when I rewatched them all after Endgame came out, but before/during the release of Far From Home. I think I timed my rewatch schedule around the BD release of Endgame (which would've been around August 2019 I think). Of course, if I happened to have work or am busy otherwise, all dates are subject to change and shuffling, though I do want to try and catch up to Civil War by July 7th so I can be fresh for Black Widow that weekend. And if I am up for it, I'll be sure to post my thoughts on these films as I revisit them!
-Marc.
Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 4?!? I think I missed Vol 2 and 3, are those any good? :rollin
Oops! A typo.... I meant Vol. 2!!!
-Marc.
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My girlfriend and I are still doing our huge rewatch. All re-watch for me, some of them are a first for her, and the ones she's seen, she doesn't remember too well, so it's been a lot of fun. She also has no comics knowledge and didn't see a ton of stuff on the internet. So I get to see her watch movies without knowing what's happening (with exceptions). Last movie we did was Dr. Strange which followed Black Panther. This weekend we'll do Thor Ragnorok and then I guess a week later get to Ant-Man and the Wasp. I'll try to get her to agree to Infinity War (which she has seen but mostly forgot and had virtually no context when she saw it the first time) and Endgame in the same weekend. Should be fun!
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You're going to watch Ant Man and Wasp before Infinity War?
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You're going to watch Ant Man and Wasp before Infinity War?
Yup! Other than the post credit scene, it largely takes place before or during. It just feels weird. Narratively to show half the planet dusting and then do a whole movie before that happens. But I rearranged some of the post credits scenes to make more sense too. So after infinity war, we’ll watch the AntMan dusting scene followed by Captain Marvel’s post credit scene. Makes more sense that way.
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Oh... Well then... Go forth with my blessing.
I never stopped to think about it in these terms, but that post-credit scene is perhaps the event with the single biggest impact on the MCU that is in a post-credit scene rather than a film proper.
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Oh... Well then... Go forth with my blessing.
I never stopped to think about it in these terms, but that post-credit scene is perhaps the event with the single biggest impact on the MCU that is in a post-credit scene rather than a film proper.
Yup, either that or Thanos grabbed the gauntlet and saying 'Fine, I'll do it myself..'
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Oh... Well then... Go forth with my blessing.
I never stopped to think about it in these terms, but that post-credit scene is perhaps the event with the single biggest impact on the MCU that is in a post-credit scene rather than a film proper.
Yup, either that or Thanos grabbed the gauntlet and saying 'Fine, I'll do it myself..'
Except they retconned that given he didn’t use the REAL gauntlet.
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Oh... Well then... Go forth with my blessing.
I never stopped to think about it in these terms, but that post-credit scene is perhaps the event with the single biggest impact on the MCU that is in a post-credit scene rather than a film proper.
Yup, either that or Thanos grabbed the gauntlet and saying 'Fine, I'll do it myself..'
Except they retconned that given he didn’t use the REAL gauntlet.
Wait, what? (Bearing in mind I am post-Infinity War and pre-Ant Man and Wasp and pre-Endgame)
I'm going to re-watch Infinity War with the wife, then we're going to bang out AM&W and Endgame with my daughter. Try to do all that this weekend, maybe.
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Oh... Well then... Go forth with my blessing.
I never stopped to think about it in these terms, but that post-credit scene is perhaps the event with the single biggest impact on the MCU that is in a post-credit scene rather than a film proper.
Yup, either that or Thanos grabbed the gauntlet and saying 'Fine, I'll do it myself..'
Except they retconned that given he didn’t use the REAL gauntlet.
What? I don’t think so. I think they said the one Odin had was fake.
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Oh... Well then... Go forth with my blessing.
I never stopped to think about it in these terms, but that post-credit scene is perhaps the event with the single biggest impact on the MCU that is in a post-credit scene rather than a film proper.
Yup, either that or Thanos grabbed the gauntlet and saying 'Fine, I'll do it myself..'
Except they retconned that given he didn’t use the REAL gauntlet.
Wait, what? (Bearing in mind I am post-Infinity War and pre-Ant Man and Wasp and pre-Endgame)
I'm going to re-watch Infinity War with the wife, then we're going to bang out AM&W and Endgame with my daughter. Try to do all that this weekend, maybe.
The gauntlet he used in IW was forged by Eitri. My assumption then is that THAT gauntlet is not THE real one. Whether the one in Odin’s vault is THE real one or not, it wasn’t the one he used for The Snap.
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I could be wrong, but the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene is supposed to happened right before he goes to Xandar to get the Power Stone.
The fake gauntlet we see in Ragnarok was supposed to be from Odin's earlier days as as conqueror, which is why Hela knows it is fake. But the design was there, and it's why Thanos went to Nidavellir to get one made for him (real one).
Maybe I'm just reading to much into it, but that's how I saw it.
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Also, the most I get from that scene was the decision by Thanos to cut out the middlemen and get personally involved.
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I could be wrong, but the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene is supposed to happened right before he goes to Xandar to get the Power Stone.
The fake gauntlet we see in Ragnarok was supposed to be from Odin's earlier days as as conqueror, which is why Hela knows it is fake. But the design was there, and it's why Thanos went to Nidavellir to get one made for him (real one).
Maybe I'm just reading to much into it, but that's how I saw it.
Again, I say "wait, what?" Should I know this at this point? Have I missed something if I don't even know there are two gauntlets out there?
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I could be wrong, but the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene is supposed to happened right before he goes to Xandar to get the Power Stone.
The fake gauntlet we see in Ragnarok was supposed to be from Odin's earlier days as as conqueror, which is why Hela knows it is fake. But the design was there, and it's why Thanos went to Nidavellir to get one made for him (real one).
Maybe I'm just reading to much into it, but that's how I saw it.
Again, I say "wait, what?" Should I know this at this point? Have I missed something if I don't even know there are two gauntlets out there?
The scene in Ragnarok where Hela knocks down the Infinity Gauntlet as fake, closes a plot point many hardcore fans saw or perceived as a loophole. In the first Thor movie, there is a tiny glimpse (literally a couple of frames) of the Infinity Gauntlet that got everyone very excited as the place where it was being stored.
In the 2nd Avengers movie, there was the post credit scene where they show Thanos grabbing the Infinity Gauntlet saying "Fine I'll do it myself". This brought about the conversation if Thanos had it all along, what was that in the 1st Thor movie. So while minor and inconsequential to 95% of MCU movie watchers, that scene in Ragnarok closes out that loophole.
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I could be wrong, but the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene is supposed to happened right before he goes to Xandar to get the Power Stone.
The fake gauntlet we see in Ragnarok was supposed to be from Odin's earlier days as as conqueror, which is why Hela knows it is fake. But the design was there, and it's why Thanos went to Nidavellir to get one made for him (real one).
Maybe I'm just reading to much into it, but that's how I saw it.
Again, I say "wait, what?" Should I know this at this point? Have I missed something if I don't even know there are two gauntlets out there?
I could be wrong, but the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene is supposed to happened right before he goes to Xandar to get the Power Stone.
The fake gauntlet we see in Ragnarok was supposed to be from Odin's earlier days as as conqueror, which is why Hela knows it is fake. But the design was there, and it's why Thanos went to Nidavellir to get one made for him (real one).
Maybe I'm just reading to much into it, but that's how I saw it.
Again, I say "wait, what?" Should I know this at this point? Have I missed something if I don't even know there are two gauntlets out there?
The scene in Ragnarok where Hela knocks down the Infinity Gauntlet as fake, closes a plot point many hardcore fans saw or perceived as a loophole. In the first Thor movie, there is a tiny glimpse (literally a couple of frames) of the Infinity Gauntlet that got everyone very excited as the place where it was being stored.
In the 2nd Avengers movie, there was the post credit scene where they show Thanos grabbing the Infinity Gauntlet saying "Fine I'll do it myself". This brought about the conversation if Thanos had it all along, what was that in the 1st Thor movie. So while minor and inconsequential to 95% of MCU movie watchers, that scene in Ragnarok closes out that loophole.
Exactly.
Stadler, you are fine. Everything that is being said comes from stuff you have already seen. No idea what Chad is talking about, but he is mistaken.
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I could be wrong, but the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene is supposed to happened right before he goes to Xandar to get the Power Stone.
The fake gauntlet we see in Ragnarok was supposed to be from Odin's earlier days as as conqueror, which is why Hela knows it is fake. But the design was there, and it's why Thanos went to Nidavellir to get one made for him (real one).
Maybe I'm just reading to much into it, but that's how I saw it.
Again, I say "wait, what?" Should I know this at this point? Have I missed something if I don't even know there are two gauntlets out there?
Yes, you've seen these scenes (if you saw the mid-credit scene from Age of Ultron). Here is the Thanos one I mentioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d8VTAbotXY
Here is the one from Ragnarok, at 43 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGnIiA7oJvg
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I could be wrong, but the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene is supposed to happened right before he goes to Xandar to get the Power Stone.
The fake gauntlet we see in Ragnarok was supposed to be from Odin's earlier days as as conqueror, which is why Hela knows it is fake. But the design was there, and it's why Thanos went to Nidavellir to get one made for him (real one).
Maybe I'm just reading to much into it, but that's how I saw it.
Again, I say "wait, what?" Should I know this at this point? Have I missed something if I don't even know there are two gauntlets out there?
No. Literally none of it is important at all.
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Okay, so I saw all of those and didn't put it together. But I understand it now.
And in keeping with our previous discussion, I find Hela to be, well, hella sexy in that clip where she pushes over the gauntlet and says "fake!".
EDIT: ANNNNDDDDD...... I stumbled on this (https://youtu.be/jPNhqWTFrZk). I don't know or care if it's true or not, but it certainly offers a perspective and some clarity as to what we've seen before.
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Going back to the Age of Ultron post-credit scene, I actually thought it was pretty pointless. At that stage, we already know there are infinity stones. And we already know Thanos is out there. Those with a minimal knowledge of Marvel comics history or those who have an Internet connection already knew some version of infinity war was going to be happening. For those that knew, that scene added nothing. And for those that didn't know, I don't think it added anything that would have made any sense. Add to that the fact that, visually, that scene looked off. So, it has always kinda bothered me. There are some post-credit (or mid-credit) scenes that advance the overall MCU plot and usually come across as big reveals/teasers. Others are just silly and fun (dancing baby Groot, for example), which is fine. The Thanos/gauntlet one fits into the former category, but never felt like it was executed properly to me.
EDIT: Stadler, that theory has been floating around for awhile (note the date of that video). I can't remember whether I've seen that specific video, but I've seen the theory. We may have even discussed it in this thread (can't remember). Ultimately, it doesn't really impact anything in any of the films, whether true or not. But it's an interesting and fun theory that actually makes a lot of sense. If forced to say whether I think there is any truth to it or not, I would guess that maybe he tried, but didn't succeed in finding them all, and possibly came to the conclusion part way through the quest that it was not a good idea, and that they should actually be kept separate, hence Volstagg and the others taking the reality stone to the collector at the end of The Dark World. But who knows?
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Also, the most I get from that scene was the decision by Thanos to cut out the middlemen and get personally involved.
Ultimately, that’s what it ended up being. But at the time, it certainly implied that he had or was breaking in to Odin’s vault to steal the Gauntlet. Hela’s “fake” comment was a brilliant way to fix what was about to come - that Thanos needed a new/different Gauntlet. Without that one comment from Hell, there would have been no sense in the whole issue of Eitri making him a gauntlet.
THAT is what I was talking about - maybe it wasn’t an actual “retcon” of the AOU mid credits scene, but kinda. The three scenes create some manner of inconsistency in terms of timing, and purpose.
Just stumbled on this as an explanation, which I hadn’t heard before - https://youtu.be/JdOwY4k33IM
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But at the time, it certainly implied that he had or was breaking in to Odin’s vault to steal the Gauntlet.
??? No it doesn't. The whole issue people had with that scene is that it pretty clearly is NOT Odin's vault. It is a different gauntlet and different location altogether.
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But at the time, it certainly implied that he had or was breaking in to Odin’s vault to steal the Gauntlet.
??? No it doesn't. The whole issue people had with that scene is that it pretty clearly is NOT Odin's vault. It is a different gauntlet and different location altogether.
And if I'm following you, in both the first Thor movie and in Ragnarok, the gauntlet was standing up; in the mid-credits scene wasn't it lying on a sort of cradle in a nook? That's what it looked like to me.
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But at the time, it certainly implied that he had or was breaking in to Odin’s vault to steal the Gauntlet.
??? No it doesn't. The whole issue people had with that scene is that it pretty clearly is NOT Odin's vault. It is a different gauntlet and different location altogether.
Hence the word he HAD (ie, prior to the events of that scene) ... I don’t recall it was an insinuation/implication it was a 2nd Gauntlet.
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But at the time, it certainly implied that he had or was breaking in to Odin’s vault to steal the Gauntlet.
??? No it doesn't. The whole issue people had with that scene is that it pretty clearly is NOT Odin's vault. It is a different gauntlet and different location altogether.
Hence the word he HAD (ie, prior to the events of that scene) ... I don’t recall it was an insinuation/implication it was a 2nd Gauntlet.
You mean, other than the fact that it looked completely different and was in a completely different location?
People were pointing this out right after Ultron premiered, and Feige himself confirmed way back in 2015 that they were two different gauntlets.
https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Big-Secret-Behind-Infinity-Gauntlet-According-Marvel-Kevin-Feige-71192.html
https://www.slashfilm.com/mcu-infinity-gauntlets-thanos/
Again, there was zero implication that what Thanos had came from Odin's vault.
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Okey dokey then. I never knew any of that, or am completely misremembering. It’s not like we ever got anything other than a very grainy still image from Thor 1, so I’m unclear how everyone was supposed to know that they “looked completely different”.
I still think there are flaws in the way they represented three different gauntlets, but whatever. I’m gonna tap out now.
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I think the biggest tell that there was a fake gauntlet was that the one in Odin's vault was right-handed, whereas in the comics, and the films, Thanos' gauntlet was left-handed. I think the producers of Thor just threw in the "fake" gauntlet as an easter egg (as are most of the things in Odin's vault, which will likely never be revisited).
As for Thanos' credits scene in AOU, I think it was included for two reasons - to remind fans of who Thanos is (if they've only seen the first Avengers and/or perhaps haven't seen GOTG Vol. 1), and what his deal is with regards to collecting the Infinity Stones; and to bring back the off-shot side-quest that Thor went on, now that Thor was aware of the Infinity Stones' appearances in the MCU, his fate would then be further tied to Thanos and his quest to get them all.
As for the timing - I've heard that the AOU credits scene was retconned to take place not long before Infinity War, probably in the 2016/2017 time frame. Thanos would have already commissioned Eitri to craft the gauntlet for him, but left it in storage until he had a plan put together to start gathering the stones. One theory says that he didn't start his quest until he had learned of the death of Odin (at the beginning of Ragnarok), mostly because by that point, the Nine Realms would becoming unguarded, and so there'd be no protection from the Asgardians (who had the Tesseract, and knew where the Aether was being kept). At that point, all Thanos had to do was brute force his way past Xandar's Nova Corps and retrieve the Power Stone.
Of course, there's the real world explanation that these things just change over time because of different directors, producers, and changes in design. The gauntlet seen at the end of AOU was a bit different than the one we see in Infinity War, which are both different than the one seen in Thor/Ragnarok (which was proven fake anyway), but it's nice that some things can be explained away with retcons.
-Marc.
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(as are most of the things in Odin's vault, which will likely never be revisited).
Which of course is the oldest con in the book. Hide in plain site! Wasn't that used in National Treasure as well?
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I was watching Civil War, a movie I've seen several times, and I only just now noticed that during the final fight, Iron Man was going to shoot Bucky point blank in the face with a rocket.
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I just finished my rewatch of Thor 2 that I started weeks ago. Man, that is a dull film that makes no sense (even in the context of fantasy comic book movies). Was pretty to look.
But - the Winter Soldier next, I believe! Woo!
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Not really related to the thread or the movie itself, but I always loved the title "Winter Soldier". So evocative, and can mean so many things (maybe not in the context of the movie, but generally).
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Side note: My absolute favourite comic book writer Ed Brubaker wrote the Winter Soldier arc for Marvel. I've not read that (not a superhero comic guy, in general, but mean to read it some day) but his other work (mainly crime and stuff) for Image Comics is amazing and well with checking out of you're remotely interested in that kind of action.
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I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.
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I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.
I think it’s very close, but I put Tennant’s Kilgrave just above it.
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While the acting is definitely comparable, I felt they just developed Fisk so much better, there's so much more flesh in the character,hes so brilliantly 3 dimensional.
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I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.
Well, Loki and Thanos are both close, for me.
But Fisk is incredible.
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I guess I've always been drawn to darker characters. I think the dynamic of Fisk vs Matt/Foggy/Karen was so perfectly grown through the three seasons.
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I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.
Well, Loki and Thanos are both close, for me.
But Fisk is incredible.
I echo these sentiments as well. Loki is just so good, and part of that comes from the charm of Tom Hiddleston. I think comparing Fisk to any of the film villains is a bit unfair because Fisk had three seasons' worth of time to develop and become the villain he ended up being. There was a lot more time to dive into his past and character and see just what made him tick. But if you compared him to the other Netflix Marvel shows, he's definitely the best villain out of them all, with Kilgrave being second IMO. I honestly don't remember much about the others, except for maybe the ones in Luke Cage, and I honestly don't recall much about Iron Fist.
Speaking of the Netflix characters, what do you all think of the idea that if those characters return in the MCU played by the same actors/actresses, that they won't be the EXACT SAME characters from the shows? I've heard this idea/rumor spread about in recent months now that the rights for them have reverted back to Marvel Studios, and that they may want to bring back some (not all) of the actors to play those characters again (most notably Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and The Punisher), but they wouldn't link or connect to their shows from Netflix? It'd be a sort of multi-verseal type of thing, where they probably could not reference any of those stories, but at least still be played by the same people.
Would it be better just to recast all of them and start fresh with fresh actors? Or keep (some of) the same actors, even if they can't refer to the Netflix shows specifically?
-Marc.
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Recast.
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Recast Iron Fist and keep the rest.
Yes!
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But....he IS the immortal Iron Fist...
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:lol
One of the best parts of all the Netflix shows was when like shut him down in the middle of that line.
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It would be better to keep Charlie Cox, Krysten Ritter, and Vincent D'onofrio for sure, if they actually have plans for those characters.
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It would be better to keep Charlie Cox, Krysten Ritter, and Vincent D'onofrio for sure, if they actually have plans for those characters.
Totally agree. It'd be a shame not to have a Tom Holland/D'onofrio match up.
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By the way, anyone other than me have to look up "Mungo Jerry" after seeing Endgame?
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I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.
Magneto was the best thing about the X-Men movies - both McKellen and Fassbender were great in the role.
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By the way, anyone other than me have to look up "Mungo Jerry" after seeing Endgame?
I knew who Mungo Jerry was from some of their music, but I definitely had to look them up in Google Images to get the joke.
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I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.
Magneto was the best thing about the X-Men movies - both McKellen and Fassbender were great in the role.
McKellan is outstanding in everything. One of my greatest career moments was cooking him a grill cheese, with Bleu cheese added, side of tomato soup.
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Loki this Wednesday :corn
I'm very intrigued based on what I've seen so far :mehlin
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Very fucking stoked for Loki. :caffeine:
I think this is the one that just might blow the MCU wide open.
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Very fucking stoked for Loki. :caffeine:
I think this is the one that just might blow the MCU wide open.
Yup... it seem this could start to introduce the multiverse. The cameo possibilities and easter eggs are endless.
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I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.
Magneto was the best thing about the X-Men movies - both McKellen and Fassbender were great in the role.
McKellan is outstanding in everything. One of my greatest career moments was cooking him a grill cheese, with Bleu cheese added, side of tomato soup.
I just caught that; that's pretty cool! That sounds DELICIOUS!
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I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.
Magneto was the best thing about the X-Men movies - both McKellen and Fassbender were great in the role.
McKellan is outstanding in everything. One of my greatest career moments was cooking him a grill cheese, with Bleu cheese added, side of tomato soup.
I just caught that; that's pretty cool! That sounds DELICIOUS!
Yeah, either him or cooking for Steven Hawking are the biggest jewels in my celebrity crown.
Very fucking stoked for Loki. :caffeine:
I think this is the one that just might blow the MCU wide open.
Yup... it seem this could start to introduce the multiverse. The cameo possibilities and easter eggs are endless.
And I can totally see marvel teasing us relentlessly... Without a safe word in sight.
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Late to the party, but I recently saw WandaVision. That was great, original and with the right mix of humour and tension! great job :tup
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I've been piling through the meat and potatoes of the Netflix series again, and I'm reminded again that Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is hands down the best MCU villain. For me, it's not even close.
Magneto was the best thing about the X-Men movies - both McKellen and Fassbender were great in the role.
Did you meet either one of them, or was it a case of they were simply in your "restaurant/kitchen/whatever you call it"? Sorry for the questions, I'm just fascinated by stories like this.
Ever give any thought to being a personal chef?
McKellan is outstanding in everything. One of my greatest career moments was cooking him a grill cheese, with Bleu cheese added, side of tomato soup.
I just caught that; that's pretty cool! That sounds DELICIOUS!
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McKellan just ate there, but I creepily stared at him throughout his lunch.
Hawking was the only time I broke the non contact rule and thanked him for his work. He said you're welcome, I spoke mostly to his team. I have seen him lecture twice at Berkeley so it was definitely a fan boy moment. I also definitely could've gotten fired for it.
Hawking had chicken broth with very small diced and severely overcooked vegetables.
Being a personal chef never appealed to me, I talked with the guy that was Soros' personal chef, and basically you're sacrificing any semblance of a life and are on call 24/7. Supposedly the money is really good though, I recently saw an ad for one from indeed that started at 120k.
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I guess it depends who it's for, though. If they travel a lot, I guess you have to travel. If they are homebodies, I suppose it could be worse.
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I guess it depends who it's for, though. If they travel a lot, I guess you have to travel. If they are homebodies, I suppose it could be worse.
Yeah, either way you're committed to the 24/7 lifestyle, probably less of a life than a hotel or restaurant chef. I'm pretty happy with my m-f, 6-3 schedule, and having all holidays off is really fucking cool.
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Just a quick reminder to everyone to keep Loki spoilers in the Loki thread for now, particularly while the show is airing!
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I started watching The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Help me out with a detail - what "officially" happened with Steve Rogers? I've seen Endgame, I know he went back in time and stayed in the past and lived out his life with Peggy, showing up as an old man to hand down the shield to the Falcon. But what does the public know? what's the official position? is he considered dead? do people assume he disappeared or that something happend to him in the final battle against Thanos?
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I started watching The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Help me out with a detail - what "officially" happened with Steve Rogers? I've seen Endgame, I know he went back in time and stayed in the past and lived out his life with Peggy, showing up as an old man to hand down the shield to the Falcon. But what does the public know? what's the official position? is he considered dead? do people assume he disappeared or that something happend to him in the final battle against Thanos?
They’ve kept it intentionally vague. I think the public has theories but it hasn’t been stated for sure.
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I can't remember but in the 1st episode of TFATWS don't they have a passing line addressing the passing of Steve Rodgers? I could be misremembering.
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I can't remember but in the 1st episode of TFATWS don't they have a passing line addressing the passing of Steve Rodgers? I could be misremembering.
They also mentioned of him being "on the moon"
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I can't remember but in the 1st episode of TFATWS don't they have a passing line addressing the passing of Steve Rodgers? I could be misremembering.
They just say “he’s gone” and the sorts a lot. They had an “in memoriam” for him in Spider-Man but it was again vague. They probably don’t hide any plans for him but are keeping it open just in case.
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I'm sure they purposely left Steve Rogers' whereabouts post-Endgame intentionally vague just so they have the possibility to bring him back later. Remember, Banner made a time machine that pushed time through people, so there's always the chance that he could do that to Steve and make him young again. Or perhaps if Chris Evans returns to the role, his next appearance could be from his life with Peggy, or from an alternate timeline/future/past.
Either way, it's a loose end that, hopefully, will get tied up some how in a nice neat bow, but I won't hold my breath. The MCU can be pretty good about its continuity, but there are always a few loose ends that are never address again. I'm still amazed at the fact that over a decade later, we will finally revisit Emil Blonsky/Abomination in the upcoming She-Hulk series (even though I would have rather seen The Leader finally make his big-headed appearance in the MCU).
-Marc.
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Steve Rogers is totally on the moon.
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Steve Rogers is totally on the moon.
Until recently, Nick Fury was on the moon.
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Steve Rogers is totally on the moon.
Until recently, Nick Fury was on the moon.
Coincidence?
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Steve Rogers is totally on the moon.
Until recently, Nick Fury was on the moon.
Coincidence?
I think not!
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First impressions appearing online for Black Widow - seems very positive so far. Lots of praise for Pugh and Harbour.
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First impressions appearing online for Black Widow - seems very positive so far. Lots of praise for Pugh and Harbour.
First impressions are usually always positive because they're paid off. I don't think I've ever been truly disappointed by a Marvel movie. They've all been enjoyable, some way more than others.
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https://youtu.be/8YjFbMbfXaQ
A new trailer for Shang-Chi has dropped, showing the Abomination (for the first time since 2008's The Incredible Hulk) fighting a sorcerer (who many assume could be Wong from Doctor Strange). Cannot wait to see what else this film has to offer!
-Marc.
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Wasn't highly excited by the previous trailer but that one looks great.
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Yeah this trailer is a lot better than the first one.
Sradler, did you watch Endgame yet?
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No, not yet. I re-watched Infinity War with the wife because she nodded off a bit, but waiting for my daughter to come home (she comes back Sunday night). Try to watch it then, though I forget if we have to watch Ant Man and Wasp before that.
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Ant-Man and the Wasp is before Endgame.
Technically, most of it is before Infinity War, also.
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Ant-Man and the Wasp is before Endgame.
Technically, most of it is before Infinity War, also.
Yea. I watched it right before infinity war but then I’ll watch the midcredit scenes after infinity war.
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Just chiming in to say that the girl I am currently dating has got me sucked into the marvel universe. I haven't seen any of the movies and honestly had little interest. But she was over a couple weeks ago, flipping through the tv channels and one of the movies was on so we watched a bit and her enjoyment of talking about it got me intrigued and figured it would be a fun thing to do together. So we are going in chronological order and just watched the first Captain America. Solid movie. Captain Marvel is next, probably next week we will watch.
I don't want to get spoiled so I will likely stay away from this thread, but it appears I am getting sucked into the universe.
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That's awesome!
Although personally I think chronological order for first viewing isn't a good idea, but whatever.
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That's awesome!
Although personally I think chronological order for first viewing isn't a good idea, but whatever.
That’s how I’m doing it with my girlfriend. She seems to be enjoying it.
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That's awesome!
Although personally I think chronological order for first viewing isn't a good idea, but whatever.
Can you explain why without giving any spoilers? And I'm assuming you mean that it's better to watch it on release order and not something different then?
I also come from a background of knowing nothing about Marvel. I was never into the comic books or anything. I did have a few questions about wtf was going on in the first Captain America movie, but was told, I will get my answers soon enough so just sit tight.
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There are post credit scenes after some movies that will make no sense or will be spoilers if watched out of release order, specifically Captain Marvel iirc.
That Shang Chi trailer looks fucking dope, it's a trip cause I was watching Hulk the other day and was wondering what happened to Abomination.
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There are post credit scenes after some movies that will make no sense or will be spoilers if watched out of release order, specifically Captain Marvel iirc.
That Shang Chi trailer looks fucking dope, it's a trip cause I was watching Hulk the other day and was wondering what happened to Abomination.
Which is why I also rearranged several of the post credits scenes. Though for most of the movies it’s actually fine. Just takes a bit of work.
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There are post credit scenes after some movies that will make no sense or will be spoilers if watched out of release order, specifically Captain Marvel iirc.
That Shang Chi trailer looks fucking dope, it's a trip cause I was watching Hulk the other day and was wondering what happened to Abomination.
Rumour is he's coming back in She-Hulk as well. Probably just a mini cameo here. But yeah... that trailer was sic
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I wonder if they will keep the idea that the rings (now bracelets I guess) are alien tech. Sure looks techy.
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There are post credit scenes after some movies that will make no sense or will be spoilers if watched out of release order, specifically Captain Marvel iirc.
That Shang Chi trailer looks fucking dope, it's a trip cause I was watching Hulk the other day and was wondering what happened to Abomination.
Which is why I also rearranged several of the post credits scenes. Though for most of the movies it’s actually fine. Just takes a bit of work.
Yeah, the only one that really stands out is the Captain Marvel one where she shows up at Avengers HQ.
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Oh I wrote a whole thing out to keep it organized. But from what I remember, yea moving cap marvels to after infinity war, but also putting ant man and the wasps there too. Also moved Thor 3s to whatever was directly before infinity war. So maybe actually after ant man and the wasp. Some others but not nearly as much as one might think.
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There are post credit scenes after some movies that will make no sense or will be spoilers if watched out of release order, specifically Captain Marvel iirc.
That Shang Chi trailer looks fucking dope, it's a trip cause I was watching Hulk the other day and was wondering what happened to Abomination.
Rumour is he's coming back in She-Hulk as well. Probably just a mini cameo here. But yeah... that trailer was sic
Not a rumor, Kevin Feige himself introduce Tim Roth as returning to the role for She-Hulk when they had their big presentation last December, and it seems like he could have a substantial role, so I suspect he'll be a recurring character, if not a main villain. His appearance in Shang-Chi could set up why he'll appear in She-Hulk.
And the wizard he is fighting in the Shang-Chi trailer looks like Wong, as there was a photo of his actor with Simu Liu (Shang-Chi) on location for the film, so it seems like Wong will make a cameo as well!
-Marc.
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Yeah partly the post-credits scenes in terms of spoilers or things not making sense, but other things too, like in Captain Marvel seeing 90s Fury and Coulson without actually knowing who they are or why they matter, and then meeting them once you reach the phase 1 movies. I just think release order makes the most sense.
It's like, sure you could watch the Star Wars movies in chronological order, but then certain moments would rather lack impact.
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Yeah partly the post-credits scenes in terms of spoilers or things not making sense, but other things too, like in Captain Marvel seeing 90s Fury and Coulson without actually knowing who they are or why they matter, and then meeting them once you reach the phase 1 movies. I just think release order makes the most sense.
It's like, sure you could watch the Star Wars movies in chronological order, but then certain moments would rather lack impact.
I think for a first run, theatrical order makes sense. If / when one wants to revisit, chronological is a cool thing to try out.
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Yeah partly the post-credits scenes in terms of spoilers or things not making sense, but other things too, like in Captain Marvel seeing 90s Fury and Coulson without actually knowing who they are or why they matter, and then meeting them once you reach the phase 1 movies. I just think release order makes the most sense.
It's like, sure you could watch the Star Wars movies in chronological order, but then certain moments would rather lack impact.
I think for a first run, theatrical order makes sense. If / when one wants to revisit, chronological is a cool thing to try out.
Yeah, exactly.
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I think my next run through I'll do them in Alphabetical order, just because fuck it...
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I think my next run through I'll do them in Alphabetical order, just because fuck it...
Do it by alphabetical order of Stan Lee’s cameo character name.
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There are post credit scenes after some movies that will make no sense or will be spoilers if watched out of release order, specifically Captain Marvel iirc.
That Shang Chi trailer looks fucking dope, it's a trip cause I was watching Hulk the other day and was wondering what happened to Abomination.
I can’t remember if it was in agents of shield, or just a marvel one shot that happened to star agent Colson, but something involving agents of shield did mention exactly what happens to the abomination.
The Marvel One Shots are canon. Sometimes they explain nothing and they are just for fun, but at least a couple of them fill in some pretty major plot holes…one in particular tying into the Shang-Chi film.
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I can’t remember if it was in agents of shield, or just a marvel one shot that happened to star agent Colson, but something involving agents of shield did mention exactly what happens to the abomination.
It's an early Agents of SHIELD scene. I just saw the scene again recently. Coulson tells Ward if anything goes wrong he'll spend rest of career in Alaska, doing night shift on Blonsky's cryo cell.
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I can’t remember if it was in agents of shield, or just a marvel one shot that happened to star agent Colson, but something involving agents of shield did mention exactly what happens to the abomination.
It's an early Agents of SHIELD scene. I just saw the scene again recently. Coulson tells Ward if anything goes wrong he'll spend rest of career in Alaska, doing night shift on Blonsky's cryo cell.
That too, but I seem to remember one with Coulson having a sit down with Sitwell (before he was revealed to be Hydra) talking about how Ross wanted the Abomination to be a part of the Avengers initiative, and they were nixing that.
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I can’t remember if it was in agents of shield, or just a marvel one shot that happened to star agent Colson, but something involving agents of shield did mention exactly what happens to the abomination.
It's an early Agents of SHIELD scene. I just saw the scene again recently. Coulson tells Ward if anything goes wrong he'll spend rest of career in Alaska, doing night shift on Blonsky's cryo cell.
That too, but I seem to remember one with Coulson having a sit down with Sitwell (before he was revealed to be Hydra) talking about how Ross wanted the Abomination to be a part of the Avengers initiative, and they were nixing that.
You're thinking of the first Marvel One Shot, released with Thor, called The Consultant. It riffs off the idea that Stark was named a Consultant in Iron Man 2 by Nick Fury, rather than being an actual member of the Avenger Initiative, and so Coulson and Sitwell decide to send him in to see Ross as a patsy to botch the World Security Council's request to have Blonsky join the Avengers. Stark infuriates Ross and so he tries to have him tossed out of the bar (seen in The Incredible Hulk pre-credits scene) but Stark buys the bar, then plans to have it demolished (to spite Ross, I guess). Ross keeps Blonsky in prison, and the WSC doesn't get him on SHIELDS's team.
I just rewatched this One Shot last night before watching Thor during my MCU Rewatch, and I love how it makes sense of TIH's scene because, while the crossover cameo was awesome (since both Iron Man and TIH came out the same summer), it didn't make too much sense at the time, especially if you thought that the Hulk should be joining the Avengers, how would Ross be the one to make that happen? Either way, Iron Man 2 and this One Shot recontextualize this moment and also confirm that TIH takes place during the same week as Iron Man 2 and Thor (aka Fury's Big Week), all set during 2011 (supposedly, since when Iron Man 1 takes place has been in debate for years, especially due to Vision's line in Civil War, though one could easily toss out the whole "8 years" thing he said and de-canonize it).
I hope we find out what Blonsky has been up to since 2011, but it'll be awesome to see him again nonetheless.
-Marc.
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https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkteut
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Somehow I missed that one - or at least, have no recollection of watching it in the first place. Which DVD was that one on?
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Thor's Blue ray.
https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel_One-Shot:_The_Consultant
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It's things like this that create IMO good reasons to watch the MCU movies in release order. They knew that the movies were not all necessarily going to be released in chronological order, and they also knew that they wanted the movies to be connected in ways we don't understand yet. The one-shots and mid-credits and post-credits scenes are all canon though, and if you watch all of them, you get all the pieces and (perhaps with a little help) you get the whole picture.
It's things like this that also create IMO valid reasons for watching everything in chronological order. But to really do that properly, you would really need to include the one-shots, mid-credits, and post-credits scenes. And that would be a serious undertaking. I would only advise doing it that way with the assistance of someone with a complete understanding of the MCU. At the very least, they would need to know of the existence of all of these "other" bits, and how they fit into things chronologically, so that they could guide you through the process. I personally don't know anyone like that. So I just watch them, and every time I watch one of those "other" bits, I learn a bit more and understand a bit more how it all fits together. And I'm amazed again and the scope of depth of the freakin' MCU.
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Girlfriend and I finished Endgame last night. So we watched everything in in-universe chronology and there were no problems at all. There's no "I'm your father" moments that it ruins. It also helps that she isn't oblivious to pop culture. She knows who Nick Fury is, so seeing him in Cap Marvel first wasn't weird. Overall it went very well. It made Cap Marvel's return very cool too, since she was the 2nd movie we watched, and then didn't see her again til the post-credits of her movie which we watched after Infinity War. Made her return more epic, as opposed to "Oh yea, we just saw her and now she's back 2 minutes later but 20 something years later in universe."
Since Spider-Man 2 and the TV shows have, thus far, not referenced each other at all, I realized the order of watching these is pretty arbitrary so she chose to start with Sam and Bucky first, which shouldn't impact anything.
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Girlfriend and I finished Endgame last night. So we watched everything in in-universe chronology and there were no problems at all. There's no "I'm your father" moments that it ruins. It also helps that she isn't oblivious to pop culture. She knows who Nick Fury is, so seeing him in Cap Marvel first wasn't weird. Overall it went very well. It made Cap Marvel's return very cool too, since she was the 2nd movie we watched, and then didn't see her again til the post-credits of her movie which we watched after Infinity War. Made her return more epic, as opposed to "Oh yea, we just saw her and now she's back 2 minutes later but 20 something years later in universe."
Good point, and good to know that a reasonably intelligent person didn't have any problem watching them in chronological order. No issues with the one-shots or other bits?
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It would be interesting to see a compilation or anthology that puts all the One-Shots and Credit scenes into an order, say on a DVD/Blu-ray, for easy in-order consumption. I can't imagine trying to sit in my living room and watch the One-Shots and Credit scenes in context.
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Girlfriend and I finished Endgame last night. So we watched everything in in-universe chronology and there were no problems at all. There's no "I'm your father" moments that it ruins. It also helps that she isn't oblivious to pop culture. She knows who Nick Fury is, so seeing him in Cap Marvel first wasn't weird. Overall it went very well. It made Cap Marvel's return very cool too, since she was the 2nd movie we watched, and then didn't see her again til the post-credits of her movie which we watched after Infinity War. Made her return more epic, as opposed to "Oh yea, we just saw her and now she's back 2 minutes later but 20 something years later in universe."
Good point, and good to know that a reasonably intelligent person didn't have any problem watching them in chronological order. No issues with the one-shots or other bits?
Honestly I completely forgot about the one-shots, so I didn't include those. We just did movies and post-credit scenes. Though the only one I can remember that I wish I showed her was the Mandarin one. That said, I doubt Marvel expects anyone to know all of those, so I'm sure it'll get discussed to a degree in Shang-Chi. Or I can simply tell her.
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It's things like this that create IMO good reasons to watch the MCU movies in release order. They knew that the movies were not all necessarily going to be released in chronological order, and they also knew that they wanted the movies to be connected in ways we don't understand yet. The one-shots and mid-credits and post-credits scenes are all canon though, and if you watch all of them, you get all the pieces and (perhaps with a little help) you get the whole picture.
It's things like this that also create IMO valid reasons for watching everything in chronological order. But to really do that properly, you would really need to include the one-shots, mid-credits, and post-credits scenes. And that would be a serious undertaking. I would only advise doing it that way with the assistance of someone with a complete understanding of the MCU. At the very least, they would need to know of the existence of all of these "other" bits, and how they fit into things chronologically, so that they could guide you through the process. I personally don't know anyone like that. So I just watch them, and every time I watch one of those "other" bits, I learn a bit more and understand a bit more how it all fits together. And I'm amazed again and the scope of depth of the freakin' MCU.
Referencing the site I posted earlier, they have a timeline for everything MCU.
https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline
Some things don't make a lot of sense to me but overall it gives you a sense of when things happened.
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Also, Slingshot was a web series that is a part of the official canon. It’s a brief detour of an adventure by “Yo-Yo” Rodriguez that sets up one of the seasons of agents of shield. It’s short, but sweet. It never got a physical release but you can see it on YouTube. I would REALLY like to have some form of physical release of that series. Maybe I can find a bootleg comicon or some thing.
I just recently picked up all seven seasons of agents of shield on DVD and I was a bit disappointed that Slingshot wasn’t included as an extra on any of them. It would’ve been pretty easy to do. But then again, after they arrived, I began to realize that they were bootlegs. :huh:
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Regarding the canon timeline for the MCU Disney+ shows released so far, WandaVision takes place 6 weeks after Endgame, as stated in the series, with a few flashbacks between Endgame and the main part of the story. The Falcon And The Winter Soldier takes place roughly six months after Endgame, IIRC, so it occurs sometime in early 2024 (I believe Endgame was in October of 2023), so it occurs between WandaVision and Spider-Man: Far From Home. And speaking of FFH, it takes place sometime during the summer of 2024, just at the end of Peter's school year, and up to now, is the further ahead we've seen in the MCU.
And because of the time-hopping nature of Loki, it's place doesn't really matter, as long as you watch it after Endgame (for obvious reasons), but it could probably be viewed at any point between Endgame and Spider-Man: No Way Home (if it does indeed deal with multiverse timelines in a way that is similar to Loki).
And as a reminder, Black Widow will be taking place between Civil War and Infinity War, bridging the gap in those two years. The film is also expected to feature a return of Thunderbolt Ross, so between that and Abomination in Shang-Chi, we're getting at least TWO callbacks to The Incredible Hulk this year! :tup
Also, Slingshot was a web series that is a part of the official canon. It’s a brief detour of an adventure by “Yo-Yo” Rodriguez that sets up one of the seasons of agents of shield. It’s short, but sweet. It never got a physical release but you can see it on YouTube. I would REALLY like to have some form of physical release of that series. Maybe I can find a bootleg comicon or some thing.
I just recently picked up all seven seasons of agents of shield on DVD and I was a bit disappointed that Slingshot wasn’t included as an extra on any of them. It would’ve been pretty easy to do. But then again, after they arrived, I began to realize that they were bootlegs. :huh:
Well, as of this year, Marvel Studios still hasn't technically confirmed that Agents Of SHIELD is actual MCU canon. It could be an alternate/spin-off universe, though given what has been said in Loki, I'm not sure if that's even possible. Nothing in AOS has ever been referenced in an MCU film or TV series, and in fact, the only pre-Disney+ show to EVER get a reference in an MCU film has been Agent Carter with Howard Stark's butler, Jarvis, making a cameo in the 1970 timeline that Tony and Steve visited. Other than that, nothing that ABC, Hulu, or Netflix has produced and released is technically canon, so if you're just going to watch Canon MCU things, all you have to worry about are the currently released 23 films, the 5 Marvel One-Shots, and the currently released 3 Disney+ shows. There are also smaller bits and pieces like the WHIH News segments that led up to the release of Ant-Man (featuring Scott Lang), and maaaaaybe the Team Thor shorts, though their canonicity could be debated.
As for my MCU rewatch so far, I've gotten through most of Phase 1, and today I plan on watching Captain America: The First Avenger! Fun fact, there's a bit of the score in this film that Silvestri brings back in Endgame as the start of the "Portals" Scene. The scene in TFA is where Steve is in Italy and it's raining, there's a quiet version of the horn theme and swell that (ten years) later shows up as the start of "Portals". Brilliant moment, reflecting on Steve feeling alone at both times, but in TFA, he decides to be the rescuer, and in Endgame, is the one who is rescued. Silvestri is just a genius.
Here's the Italy score from TFA: https://youtu.be/GWKgx76t7Ko
And here is "Portals" from Endgame:
https://youtu.be/F_mhWxOjxp4
-Marc.
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Yeah the deal with Agents of SHIELD is weird. I don't know if I've ever read that it's not canon, but neither have I read that it is.
At the very least, it ran for seven years and starred Coulson, who is supposedly dead in the MCU. It's probably a matter of them never specifically addressing the issue, so they can keep their options open, but Coulson was obviously very involved in the formation of The Avengers, and you'd think that if he were alive, there would be some mention somewhere in the MCU. Hell, Fury himself guest starred on Agents of SHIELD, had actual conversations with him, as did Lady Sif and (I think) Maria Hill. But in the MCU, not a peep.
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There was one oblique reference to Agents of SHIELD in Age of Ultron, when Fury references where the Helicarriers came from.
When the TV shows were first announced, it was stated that it was all the same universe, so, in my mind, they remain cannon until explicitly stated otherwise.
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Most people know the practical issues that happened--it was originally intended to be canon, but then the folks in charge of the films stopped communicating with the folks on the TV side. And as a result, little continuity errors started to occur. And although the TV side tried their best to drop a reference every now and then (Thanos in S6, for example), it seems like they just threw caution to the wind, completely dropped all pretense, and did whatever they wanted in S7. I treat it like I did reading comics back in the day. Where you have completely different writers doing different storylines in different books at different times, you are going to get some things that are inconsistent if you try to hold them up next to each other. But you just ignore it and pretend it all works, and it's fine.
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Chiming in (and leaving so I don't get spoiled) to say that I was not much of a fan of Captain Marvel. Found the story a bit confusing (and maybe this is due to watching in chronological order) at first but also just found it to be mostly uninteresting other than all the 90s jokes (which I did enjoy as a 90s kid).
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Chiming in (and leaving so I don't get spoiled) to say that I was not much of a fan of Captain Marvel. Found the story a bit confusing (and maybe this is due to watching in chronological order) at first but also just found it to be mostly uninteresting other than all the 90s jokes (which I did enjoy as a 90s kid).
Don't worry. Although it got overall positive reviews, a good many rank it near or at the bottom in the MCU. It definitely isn't just you.
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Chiming in (and leaving so I don't get spoiled) to say that I was not much of a fan of Captain Marvel. Found the story a bit confusing (and maybe this is due to watching in chronological order) at first but also just found it to be mostly uninteresting other than all the 90s jokes (which I did enjoy as a 90s kid).
It's not a bad movie by any stretch, but it did feel a bit flat. Lots of really great moments, but overall it felt a bit misunderstood by the directors or writers. It just didn't feel like anyone had a strong handle on who the character is and therefore there was not a ton to her.
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Plus I found Brie Larson wooden in her delivery.
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Plus I found Brie Larson wooden in her delivery.
I bet she’d find you wooden at her delivery.
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Plus I found Brie Larson wooden in her delivery.
I bet she’d find you wooden at her delivery.
In my youth maybe. Now, I'm more of a shrubbery.
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There was one oblique reference to Agents of SHIELD in Age of Ultron, when Fury references where the Helicarriers came from.
Can you elaborate? I'm not familiar with the reference.
When the TV shows were first announced, it was stated that it was all the same universe, so, in my mind, they remain cannon until explicitly stated otherwise.
They were definitely canon at first, but as Bosk points out, that later because difficult to keep up.
Most people know the practical issues that happened--it was originally intended to be canon, but then the folks in charge of the films stopped communicating with the folks on the TV side. And as a result, little continuity errors started to occur. And although the TV side tried their best to drop a reference every now and then (Thanos in S6, for example), it seems like they just threw caution to the wind, completely dropped all pretense, and did whatever they wanted in S7. I treat it like I did reading comics back in the day. Where you have completely different writers doing different storylines in different books at different times, you are going to get some things that are inconsistent if you try to hold them up next to each other. But you just ignore it and pretend it all works, and it's fine.
Oh yeah, I get all that. And really, the stuff they got into in the last couple seasons of Agents of SHIELD had almost nothing to do with events in the MCU, so it was fine anyway. I watched the show until the end, and enjoyed it. But the deal with Coulson still sticks out for me. He's obviously very alive in Agents of SHIELD (then killed, then alive again, etc) but in the MCU, he was killed by Loki and never heard from again. They've intentionally never mentioned him ever again (and of course in-universe that makes sense because he's dead. I just wish they'd say so).
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There was one oblique reference to Agents of SHIELD in Age of Ultron, when Fury references where the Helicarriers came from.
Can you elaborate? I'm not familiar with the reference.
IIRC, Fury gets the new helicarrier from Coulson, because by that point, all previously known helicarriers were destroyed, but I think Coulson managed to get one out to Fury just in time for the climax of AOU. It wasn't explicitly stated in the film, but if youbhad watched AOS, I believe it was brought up. I think I saw that episode but it's been YEARS since then.
-Marc.
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Yea, AOS explained where the ship came from, but the movie didn't mention it.
It's a bit like that scene in Community when Jack Black shows up and you see a bunch of old scenes where he's inserted but no one notices.
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Plus I found Brie Larson wooden in her delivery.
I bet she’d find you wooden at her delivery.
:rollin
Chiming in (and leaving so I don't get spoiled) to say that I was not much of a fan of Captain Marvel. Found the story a bit confusing (and maybe this is due to watching in chronological order) at first but also just found it to be mostly uninteresting other than all the 90s jokes (which I did enjoy as a 90s kid).
Don't worry. Although it got overall positive reviews, a good many rank it near or at the bottom in the MCU. It definitely isn't just you.
Yeah, my date said the same thing. I'm not worried. Onto Iron Man...
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Captain Marvel is definitely in my Top 23 Marvel films.
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Captain Marvel is definitely in my Top 23 Marvel films.
For now.
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Captain Marvel is definitely in my Top 23 Marvel films.
For now.
True.
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Plus I found Brie Larson wooden in her delivery.
I bet she’d find you wooden at her delivery.
In my youth maybe. Now, I'm more of a shrubbery.
Count me in with those that are luke warm about Brie Larson and the movie in general. Not to be a pig, but for a superhero franchise - that is to say, tight leotards and plunging necklines - the MCU leaves a lot to be desired. When Spider-man's aunt is in the top three or four most attractive (that is to say, dressed like an aunt and no spandex to be found), you know it's dire.
Contrast that with watching with my daughter and wife: "He's hot. No, he's hot. No, HE'S hot. No..." When Thor started the furnaces for Tyrion, I almost left the room.
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It’s a weird thing, Brie Larson and Natalie Portman are Oscar-winners and cute as hell but something is just off . . . Hopefully Portman can remedy that in the new Thor movie.
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This is going to sound WAYYYYYYY harsher than I mean it to be, but Natalie Portman does nothing for me, and from an acting standpoint, she's wasted in the MCU.
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Yea, AOS explained where the ship came from, but the movie didn't mention it.
So it's still a one-sided love affair. AOS drops little things that tie it to the MCU, but the MCU doesn't reciprocate. I'm going to stand by my position that the MCU has not even referred to Coulson being dead or alive. AOS viewers "know" where the helicarrier came from, but it's not acknowledged in the MCU.
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Eh, I loved the Captain Marvel movie, and I liked Larson in the role. *shrugs*
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Eh, I loved the Captain Marvel movie, and I liked Larson in the role. *shrugs*
Same here. I enjoyed it enough, but for me, the film floated on the ensemble cast and didn't just rely on the titular character. Seeing younger Fury and Coulson was fantastic, and even having Talos and Ronan helped the film a bit. This was an origin and bridging-the-gap sort of film all in one, with tons of callbacks to other films in the franchise. If you're deep into MCU lore and history, there's more to appreciate but as a standalone movie with sole attention to Carol herself, I can see how many folks would feel let down by it. If it was a Phase 1 or 2 film, the script probably would've been tighter and had a stronger focus on developing Carol, rather than developing the history of the MCU.
-Marc.
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Reviews for Black Widow are starting to appear, and seem mostly positive. Very stoked to get back into an imax theater for an mcu flick.
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Reviews for Black Widow are starting to appear, and seem mostly positive. Very stoked to get back into an imax theater for an mcu flick.
Less than 10 days ago I went to my first concert in 16 months, with more than 20K people in attendance. Yet, I don't feel ready for a movie theater :facepalm: I really want to see this movie on the big screen but we will see.
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Reviews for Black Widow are starting to appear, and seem mostly positive. Very stoked to get back into an imax theater for an mcu flick.
Less than 10 days ago I went to my first concert in 16 months, with more than 20K people in attendance. Yet, I don't feel ready for a movie theater :facepalm: I really want to see this movie on the big screen but we will see.
I survived a year working in a grocery store, that was enough covid anxiety for a lifetime. :lol
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Yea, AOS explained where the ship came from, but the movie didn't mention it.
Fury says something like "Pulled her out of mothballs with a couple old friends," while Agents of SHIELD shows that Coulson had directed resources toward rebuilding the helicarriers.
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Yea, AOS explained where the ship came from, but the movie didn't mention it.
Fury says something like "Pulled her out of mothballs with a couple old friends," while Agents of SHIELD shows that Coulson had directed resources toward rebuilding the helicarriers.
Yea, but I dunno. "A couple old friends" to people just watching the movie would simply mean the people currently on the ship. I get that if you watch the show too, you can be like "I bet I know who he meant!" but it's still not mentioning the show.
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Yea, AOS explained where the ship came from, but the movie didn't mention it.
Fury says something like "Pulled her out of mothballs with a couple old friends," while Agents of SHIELD shows that Coulson had directed resources toward rebuilding the helicarriers.
Yea, but I dunno. "A couple old friends" to people just watching the movie would simply mean the people currently on the ship. I get that if you watch the show too, you can be like "I bet I know who he meant!" but it's still not mentioning the show.
That's why I referred to it as an "oblique" reference. Human Jarvis showing up in Endgame is the only somewhat-direct acknowledgement of any of the shows.
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Yea, AOS explained where the ship came from, but the movie didn't mention it.
Fury says something like "Pulled her out of mothballs with a couple old friends," while Agents of SHIELD shows that Coulson had directed resources toward rebuilding the helicarriers.
Yea, but I dunno. "A couple old friends" to people just watching the movie would simply mean the people currently on the ship. I get that if you watch the show too, you can be like "I bet I know who he meant!" but it's still not mentioning the show.
That's why I referred to it as an "oblique" reference. Human Jarvis showing up in Endgame is the only somewhat-direct acknowledgement of any of the shows.[/size]
Indeed. And Agent Carter is listed as part of the MCU on Disney+. I don't think Agents is on Disney+, if it is, I'm not sure if it's under MCU or extended like other shows.
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Yea, AOS explained where the ship came from, but the movie didn't mention it.
Fury says something like "Pulled her out of mothballs with a couple old friends," while Agents of SHIELD shows that Coulson had directed resources toward rebuilding the helicarriers.
Yea, but I dunno. "A couple old friends" to people just watching the movie would simply mean the people currently on the ship. I get that if you watch the show too, you can be like "I bet I know who he meant!" but it's still not mentioning the show.
That's why I referred to it as an "oblique" reference. Human Jarvis showing up in Endgame is the only somewhat-direct acknowledgement of any of the shows.[/size]
Indeed. And Agent Carter is listed as part of the MCU on Disney+. I don't think Agents is on Disney+, if it is, I'm not sure if it's under MCU or extended like other shows.
Well, considering that Agent Carter is a direct spin-off of the Agent Carter One-Shot, I think it's place in MCU Canon is more solid, even if it has a bit of crossover with AOS. Also, Agent Carter featured Howard Stark, and both of them had also returned in later MCU films after the series, like the 80's flash-back opening of Ant-Man. I think yo u could probably watch Agent Carter and accept it as canon without having watched any of AOS, since it's just an extension of that Marvel One-Shot, and AFAIK, all five of those short films are still canon.
And speaking of those One-Shots, I did recently learn that Item 47 was the springboard for Agents Of SHIELD, and even Titus Welliver's Agent Blake originated from that, eventually showing up in a few episodes of AOS. I think, to a point, AOS was still canon to the MCU, maybe the first two seasons, but I think because of how they handled the Inhumans and had other characters come and go, I don't think Marvel Studios will ever reference the show, though I would freak out if Mockingbird somehow makes an appearance in Hawkeye, given their relationship in the comics (though MCU Hawkeye has a wife and family, so it couldn't be more than a platonic relationship in the MCU).
-Marc.
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Given how un-busy my summer is going to be this year, I've planned out a massive MCU re-watch starting in late June, to coincide with the release of Black Widow. Assuming the film has Thursday night preview showings on July 8th, here's what my schedule will be for the MCU re-watch, featuring just the films at the Disney+ shows:
6/24 - Iron Man
6/25 - The Incredible Hulk
6/26 - Iron Man 2
6/27 - Thor
6/28 - Captain America: The First Avenger
6/29 - Avengers
6/30 - Iron Man 3
7/1 - Thor: The Dark World
7/2 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 1
7/3 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2
7/4 - Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Happy Independence Day!!!)
7/5 - Avengers: Age Of Ultron
7/6 - Ant-Man
7/7 - Captain America: Civil War
7/8 - Black Widow
7/9 - Black Panther
7/10 - Spider-Man: Homecoming
7/11 - Doctor Strange
7/12 - Thor: Ragnarok
7/13 - Avengers: Infinity War
7/14 - And-Man & The Wasp
7/15 - Captain Marvel
7/16 - Avengers: Endgame
7/17 - WandaVision (Episodes 1-5)
7/18 - WandaVision (Episodes 6-9)
7/19 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 1-3)
7/20 - The Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Episodes 4-6)
7/21 - Spider-Man: Far From Home
And depending on the timeline of the show (which might be irrelevant), Loki might come before WandaVision, or after Spider-Man: FFH. Either way, it'll get a re-watch later this summer, definitely before What If...? starts airing, which is supposedly in August at some point.
It's been a couple of years since I've watched most of these films, back when I rewatched them all after Endgame came out, but before/during the release of Far From Home. I think I timed my rewatch schedule around the BD release of Endgame (which would've been around August 2019 I think). Of course, if I happened to have work or am busy otherwise, all dates are subject to change and shuffling, though I do want to try and catch up to Civil War by July 7th so I can be fresh for Black Widow that weekend. And if I am up for it, I'll be sure to post my thoughts on these films as I revisit them!
-Marc.
So I've gotten through the first eight films on my rewatch schedule, and so far so good! After each film, I've been working on giving them a letter-tier ranking, from S-Tier to D-Tier (though I can't really think of any film I would dislike as much, but there might be a couple of C-Tier films). Here are my rankings for the first eight I've rewatched thus far:
S-Tier: Avengers
A-Tier: Iron Man, Captain America: The First Avenger, Iron Man 2
B-Tier: Iron Man 3, Thor, The Incredible Hulk
C-Tier: Thor: The Dark World
Avengers will always be a gold-standard MCU for me, and one that is easily always rewatchable and enjoyable. I also found myself loving CA:TFA more and more with every watch, and recognizing just how great Silvestri's score for that film is, and is probably my favorite score of all of the Phase 1 films (with Avengers closely behind it).
Thor is a pretty fun film, despite it's infinite Dutch angles and Hemsworth's dyed eyebrows, both of which I was glad to see disappear for The Dark World, but the sequel just didn't have as good of a plot or villain as the first Thor. The Dark World gets a *little* better each time I watch it, but its only saving graces are Loki and Frigga. The script just didn't seem to really serve anyone else, even Thor himself, though you can sort of feel there are moments where his humorous side starts to eek out (especially him hanging Mjolnir on the coathanger, which cracks me up every time).
The Iron Man Trilogy, being the first complete trilogy in the MCU, kind of works, but given that Tony was always going to continue in the MCU, being a complete trilogy doesn't really feel right, unless you count his own personal journey of becoming more self-aware and less selfish. They tried to tie up some plot points by the end of IM3, and I like that final scene as a sort of "send off" to that as he tosses his chest arc reactor into the ocean from his destroy mansion remnants, but the trilogy just sort of feels like the first act of Tony's arc (with Age Of Ultron, Civil War, and Homecoming being the second act, and Infinity War and Endgame being his third act).
And as for The Incredible Hulk, watching it again the day after the Shang-Chi trailer dropped felt serendipitous given the reappearance of The Abomination. This Hulk film isn't AWFUL, and many fans might be surprised at how many references and revisits were made to this film later in the MCU, like how Peter Parker's teacher, played by Martin Starr, is the same kid at Culver University that Bruce Banner gives pizza to in the lab, or posters of the green soda later seen in Ant-Man, and of course, the return of Thunderbolt Ross in Civil War. It's wild to me that Ross will also be in Black Widow, and that the next MCU film is Shang-Chi, featuring Blonsky's Abomination - this doesn't feel like a coincidence AT ALL, and I feel like they're gearing it all up for She-Hulk.
Coming up this weekend will be both GOTG films, which I'm watching back to back because Volume 2 takes place only six months after Volume 1, so I'm going pseudo-chronologically (since I can't really go about watching Captain Marvel before most of these films since her tease at the end of Infinity War feels like a better set-up, and watching her film just before Endgame feels more appropriate). And ironically, my schedule allowed watching Captain America: The Winter Soldier on Independence Day, so what better way to celebrate than to watch a film about how a shadowy organization is being undermined by a terrorist group using its technology to target citizens. Woohoo!
-Marc.
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Got my Imax tickets for Black Widow on Sunday, pretty stoked to see the MCU on the really big screen again.
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That sounds amazing! We expect a full report after.
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Seeing it Saturday. Not Imax, but I don't see the need. Just looking forward to being in a theater at all. It is amazing that they have somehow stayed afloat and are able to reopen.
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It's just my habit to see all new MCU flicks on IMAX, also after over a year out of the theaters, I think it's warranted.
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In my city the IMAX screens aren't as good as the Dolby Cinema screens. The sound is way better and immersive and every movie I've seen there has been super enjoyable.
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Seeing Black Widow at 5pm EST today at my Regal RPX theater. Cannot wait to see my first MCU Film in a theater in over two years! (Spider-Man Far From Home released on July 2nd 2019, so I'm sure I saw it on the 1st, so it's been 105 weeks!)
Also, my MCU Rewatch caught up to Civil War last night, so I am primed to see where Natasha goes next after Civil War!
-Marc.
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Yeah, we watched Civil War the other night to prepare as well. I didn't really care for it much for the longest time. It never really felt like it had any stakes. But it has aged pretty well for me and gotten better over time.
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I have tickets for Saturday afternoon! I can’t wait!
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Yeah, we watched Civil War the other night to prepare as well. I didn't really care for it much for the longest time. It never really felt like it had any stakes. But it has aged pretty well for me and gotten better over time.
Civil War was one of the few MCU films I caught twice in theaters, and deservedly so. For me, it gets better every time I rewatch it and I think last night was probably the 6th or 7th time I've seen it, and it continues to impress me how the Russos managed to make a film that was a follow-up to The Winter Soldier AND Age Of Ultron, bring back characters like Thunderbolt Ross and Ant-Man, and introduce Black Panther AND Spider-Man, all in the same film. At first glance, one might think it would be a bloated mess, but I think they balanced everything fairly well, giving us just enough of Peter Parker and T'Challa for their first go in the MCU, a taste of what the Post-Ultron Avengers have been up to, and bringing in every Avenger that was present on Earth at the time. I love that, conveniently, Thor and Hulk are absent, because if either of them were there, the battle at the airport would have been severely lopsided. It felt like everything just fell into place for both sides to be fairly evenly matched.
I also love that this film doesn't end on a happy note, and that the villain not only lived to fight another day, but succeeded in his plans to tear the Avengers apart, which in turn meant their defeat at the hands of Thanos in Infinity War. There's a very fun through-line to follow back from Thanos' victory back to Zemo's victory, which goes back to Tony's failure with Ultron, which was created as a result of The Battle Of New York (which was indirectly caused by Thanos giving Loki the Mind Stone scepter to try and rule Earth, but also get the Space Stone Tesseract). Thanos basically secured his victory through a long series of events by giving Loki the chance to conquer Earth, even if things didn't go to plan (if Loki had been successful, gotten the Tesseract, and given it to Thanos, the snap/blip probably would've happened a lot sooner).
And speaking of possible scenarios... Marvel Studios' What If...? Trailer dropped today, and will premiere on August 11th! From what I recall, the first season will be 10 episodes, with a second season of 10 more episodes to follow-up, probably next year between other Disney+ series. This also probably means the next Disney+ series (be it Hawkeye or Ms. Marvel) probably won't air til mid-to-late October.
I'm loving all of the possibilities of What If...?, including what seems to be Chadwick Boseman's final performance as T'Challa, taking on the role of Star-Lord (instead of Peter Quill).
-Marc.
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...if Loki had been successful, gotten the Tesseract, and given it to Thanos, the snap/blip probably would've happened a lot sooner
And kind of mindblowing to think about, but Wanda and Vision would not have been created, Wakanda would not have been involved, etc. And if the snap happens earlier, there is no way Stark and Strange are together, which enables Strange to bargain for Stark's life. There are a lot of things that happened as a result of the way NY went that allowed the turnaround in Endgame.
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Rewatched Cap The Winter Soldier tonight. Dug it less than I thought I would, tbh. Bit messy.
GOTG, Ultron and Ant Man are up next whenever I get around to it. And GOTG is the start of that really great stretch of MCU films up to where we are now.
But hey, the MAIN event will be watching BW on Disney+ over the weekend.
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jingle.son and I are loading it up on D+ at 7:30am tomorrow morning, before he goes to work. I'll post a synopsis here (just for Marc by 10am). :biggrin:
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Not in this thread.
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It's just my habit to see all new MCU flicks on IMAX, also after over a year out of the theaters, I think it's warranted.
Got tickets to see it in IMAX with my lady Saturday afternoon. She’s getting nervous about the delta variant though so there’s an unfortunate chance we might do it in D+ instead. Lame but hopefully we can see it in theaters instead.
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Not in this thread.
I'm going to start a dedicated Black Widow Thread. Would it be cool if that was to include spoilers, since we have this General MCU Thread for no recent spoilers?
I saw the movie earlier, and I feel the need to talk about it! :lol
-Marc.
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Not in this thread.
I'm going to start a dedicated Black Widow Thread. Would it be cool if that was to include spoilers, since we have this General MCU Thread for no recent spoilers?
I saw the movie earlier, and I feel the need to talk about it! :lol
-Marc.
Of course you can have spoilers. You don't need permission for that. :lol We've just agreed to keep this thread spoiler free for a short time after something airs. If you want to start a spoiler thread to discuss, have at it.
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Of course you can have spoilers. You don't need permission for that. :lol We've just agreed to keep this thread spoiler free for a short time after something airs. If you want to start a spoiler thread to discuss, have at it.
Yeah this. I feel like we keep having the same conversation every few weeks. :lol
Individual dedicated threads = spoilerpocalypse.
This thread = no recent spoilers, per the title.
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Geez, lighten up... I was just razzin.
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Black Widow tickets for Sunday at 11am, just have to avoid spoilers for the next 2 days, shouldn't be too hard right? :corn
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Honestly, with the one off nature of the film, I'm not to concerned about spoilers, there's no real timeline to bust like in the tv shows or like we had rolling towards the end of the Infinity saga.
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I rewatched the whole lot last year on furlough and did a list, here it is with added Widow.
1. Infinity War.
2. Cap America : Civil War.
3. Endgame.
4. Cap America : Winter Soldier.
5. Avengers
6. Guardian of the Galaxy.
7. Spider-man Homecoming.
8. Avengers : Ultron
9. Iron Man 3.
10. Ant-Man.
11. Captain Marvel.
12. Iron Man
13. Thor 1.
14, Black Panther.
15. Captain American 1
16. Thor : Ragnarok.
17. Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
18. BLACK WIDOW.
19. Spider-Man : Far From Home.
20. Doctor Strange
21. Ant-Man and Wasp.
22 Thor 2.
23. The Incredible Hulk.
24. Iron Man 2
I know she will complain about Ragnorok so low, and I accept that is probably the one I'm furthest away from general consensus.
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Watched Iron Man last weekend, thought it was pretty solid. I may have liked Captain America 1 a bit more, but both were much better than Captain Marvel IMO. Looks like we are onto Iron Man 2 next, not sure when we will watch, maybe in the next week.
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I don't have a problem with Ragnarok being so low in your list. For me, the movie quality in the MCU is so good that I consider all but 3 movies, to be in the "good" to "great" categories. Those 3 movies excluded I consider them average (not bad).
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I gotta do a list, I've seen each movie enough times (aside from Black Widow) to do it justly.
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I don't know that I can. How do I rank the GOTG1 vs. GOTG2? Just put them consecutive and "1" first because it came first? Who knows?
I do know that some are higher than others. I like the Spider-Man film a lot, I liked the second Iron Man a lot. I didn't go gaga over Black Panther. I thought Ant-Man was amusing for a while. I LOVED Dr. Strange....
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Here is my ranking.
Avengers: Infinity War
Avengers: Endgame
The Avengers
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Captain America: Civil War
Iron Man
Black Panther
Thor: Ragnarok
Captain America: The First Avenger
Ant-Man
Guardians of the Galaxy
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Iron Man 3
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Doctor Strange
Black Widow
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Ant-Man and The Wasp
Thor
Captain Marvel
The Incredible Hulk
Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2
Iron Man 2
Thor: The Dark World
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So I'm nearing the end of my massive month-long MCU Rewatch marathon, and I've rewatched the first 22 films, WandaVision, and now I'm in the middle of TFATWS. After that will be Spider-Man: Far From Home (the last film chronologically speaking, which also takes place after WV and TFATWS). As I've rewatched each film, I've placed them in different tiers, but haven't quite nailed down a ranking as of yet, so I'll try that here (minus SM:FFH, but I'll update this post once I've watched it again later this week).
S-Tier:
Avengers: Endgame & Avengers: Infinity War (these are both so good, they practically tie for first place for me)
Avengers (Assemble)
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Captain America: Civil War
Thor: Ragnarok
A-Tier:
Iron Man
Captain America: The First Avenger
Black Panther
Spider-Man: Homecoming & Far From Home (tied)
Doctor Strange
Avengers: Age Of Ultron
Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 1 & Vol 2 (They're tied for me)
Ant-Man
Iron Man 2
Captain Marvel
B-Tier:
Ant-Man And The Wasp
Iron Man 3
Thor
Black Widow
The Incredible Hulk
C-Tier:
Thor: The Dark World
As for the three Disney+ shows, Loki barely edged out WandaVision for the top spot, but both are A-Tier, and TFATWS is below those two in B-Tier (which is probably where I feel it will remain as I run through it again, great action and fun dynamic between Sam and Bucky, but a neutered villain plot and what they did with Sharon kind of soured some of the show for me, but it had Zemo and introduced Isaiah Bradley, as well as the Dora Milaje, so credit where credit is due). I'm looking forward to everything else in the pipeline for Disney+ though, especially Hawkeye, Moon Knight, and She-Hulk.
If I had to think where I'd put Far From Home, it would probably be mid A-Tier for me, perhaps just under Homecoming or AOU. Guess we'll see!
-Marc.
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Ok, here goes...
Infinity War
Avengers
Endgame
Spiderman- Homecoming
Guardians of the Galaxy
Captain America- Winter Soldier
Avengers- Age of Ultron
Iron Man
Captain America- Civil War
Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Ant Man
Iron Man 2
Thor
Black Panther
Thor- Ragnorok
Spiderman- Far from Home
Dr. Strange
Incredible Hulk
Black Widow
Captain America- First Avenger
Captain Marvel
Ant Man and the Wasp
Iron Man 3
Thor 2- Dark World
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Infinity War is my number one - but in a way it has an unfair advantage, it doesn't have to end with a victory. Sitting in the cinema watching this for the first time, when the dusting happened.....I mean that was just something else.
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Ok, here goes...
Infinity War
Endgame
Avengers
Captain America- Civil War
Captain America- Winter Soldier
Spiderman- Homecoming
Iron Man
Avengers- Age of Ultron
Guardians of the Galaxy
Thor- Ragnorok
Black Panther
Thor
Dr. Strange
Black Widow
Spiderman- Far from Home
Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 3
Ant Man
Captain America- First Avenger
Captain Marvel
Ant Man and the Wasp
Iron Man 2
Thor 2- Dark World
Close enough for jazz.
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So it seems Ms. Marvel and Hawkeye will be on Disney + in 2021. This might be a bit much. 4 movies and (counting in head) 6 shows in one year?
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Sorry Adami. My body is ready. Their was a gap because of the pandemic.
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So it seems Ms. Marvel and Hawkeye will be on Disney + in 2021. This might be a bit much. 4 movies and (counting in head) 6 shows in one year?
Well, given that half of what we're getting this year was supposed to happen last year, I don't mind, and it doesn't bother me. Sure, it creates a bit of a saturation if you're into all of it, and it kind of creates an expectation of having new MCU content nearly every month, but I think they're really going all in with it now considering how many more movies and TV shows are coming in the next few years.
And if you really think about it, from Black Widow (July 2021) to Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (July 2022), we are getting SEVEN MCU films within a single year, which is a record. It used to be five, between GOTG Vol. 2 and Infinity War (or Homecoming and Ant-Man And The Wasp).
So with four films in 2021, four in 2022, and five in 2023, it doesn't seem like the film side of Marvel Studios will be slowing down. And as far as Disney+ shows go, we've got at least 3 shows next year (Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Secret Invasion) and the GOTG Holiday Special, and beyond all of that, sequels to Loki and What If...?, a spin-off from Hawkeye featuring Echo, as well as Ironheart, Armor Wars (feat. War Machine), and an untitled Wakanda series, and I'm willing to bet all of that will be out by the end of 2023 or early 2024.
Phase four is PACKED. I don't think we'll get to the point of hero-fatigue, especially if these films and shows continue to be diverse in characters, genre, and filmmaking. This year alone, we've got a spy thriller, a martial arts action fantasy, a sprawling sci-fi adventure, and a bonkers multiversal crossover. Despite being all MCU films, they all feel largely unique from each other. And next year's films are all sequels, but they all seem highly anticipated, especially since they've been 3-6 years in the waiting!
You could probably say the same for the Disney+ shows, though I'd say WandaVision and Loki are probably about as similar to each other as TFATWS and Hawkeye might be, with Ms. Marvel being an outlier. And the ones coming later are sounding like they'll be quite different from each other as well. With She-Hulk reportedly being more comedic in nature.
Sorry Adami. My body is ready. Their was a gap because of the pandemic.
I am totally ready as well. The two-year gap between films was unbearable, and I'm glad we got WandaVision and TFATWS before Black Widow to help tide us over between the MCU returned to theaters, but that was the longest gap between MCU films since The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2 were released. Needless to say, I was starved for a new MCU film, and I'm glad we're getting the glutton's share in the coming years!
-Marc.
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Keep 'em coming.
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Bring it on
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Bring it on
And I get that. I'm a huge Marvel fan, obviously. I just wouldn't want it to become cheap. When something is SO abundant, it often becomes less special. It just becomes another thing, which I'd hate. I wouldn't want the MCU to become the next CSI or NCIS franchise. There's always a few of those around and for the most part no one cares.
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Bring it on
And I get that. I'm a huge Marvel fan, obviously. I just wouldn't want it to become cheap. When something is SO abundant, it often becomes less special. It just becomes another thing, which I'd hate. I wouldn't want the MCU to become the next CSI or NCIS franchise. There's always a few of those around and for the most part no one cares.
Well, how different are those procedural shows from each other? Seems like the strengths of those shows might be characters that you get to know as they solve each case, but that could get repetitive and predictable.
Each Disney+ show will be featuring different, and eventually all-new characters to the MCU, with different stories and developments. I think seeing new characters and stories will keep these shows fresh. We've never gotten live action versions of Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, or Iron Heart, so there are a lot of fresh ideas coming down the pipeline.
I think it does the MCU a disservice if someone just lumps all these shows and films under the broad umbrella of "comic book" media when they can all be quite different from each other.
-Marc.
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Bring it on
And I get that. I'm a huge Marvel fan, obviously. I just wouldn't want it to become cheap. When something is SO abundant, it often becomes less special. It just becomes another thing, which I'd hate. I wouldn't want the MCU to become the next CSI or NCIS franchise. There's always a few of those around and for the most part no one cares.
Well, how different are those procedural shows from each other? Seems like the strengths of those shows might be characters that you get to know as they solve each case, but that could get repetitive and predictable.
Each Disney+ show will be featuring different, and eventually all-new characters to the MCU, with different stories and developments. I think seeing new characters and stories will keep these shows fresh. We've never gotten live action versions of Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, or Iron Heart, so there is a lot of fresh ideas coming down the pipeline.
I think it does the MCU a disservice if someone just lumps all these shows and films under the broad umbrella of "comic book" media when they can all be quite different from each other.
-Marc.
If the MCU could create a Gil Grissom or a Leroy Jethro Gibbs, I would be impressed. :).
(I'm kidding; in a way, that's Tony Stark, but only tangentially.)
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Bring it on
And I get that. I'm a huge Marvel fan, obviously. I just wouldn't want it to become cheap. When something is SO abundant, it often becomes less special. It just becomes another thing, which I'd hate. I wouldn't want the MCU to become the next CSI or NCIS franchise. There's always a few of those around and for the most part no one cares.
Well, how different are those procedural shows from each other? Seems like the strengths of those shows might be characters that you get to know as they solve each case, but that could get repetitive and predictable.
Each Disney+ show will be featuring different, and eventually all-new characters to the MCU, with different stories and developments. I think seeing new characters and stories will keep these shows fresh. We've never gotten live action versions of Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, or Iron Heart, so there is a lot of fresh ideas coming down the pipeline.
I think it does the MCU a disservice if someone just lumps all these shows and films under the broad umbrella of "comic book" media when they can all be quite different from each other.
-Marc.
I hope so. I know I'm on board with it all. I'd just hate it to see it fade from societal awareness due to oversaturation.
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I’m going to beat this drum again….
So far, they have stuck to comic book style of storytelling in their overarching universe. The comic books remained popular over the years because there were different writers telling different stories about different characters, but ultimately tying into the framework of a singular universe. There’s enough diversity in that approach that has allowed comic books to remain relevant for decades. MCU could have the same success with the same diversified approach.
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I’m going to beat this drum again….
So far, they have stuck to comic book style of storytelling in their overarching universe. The comic books remained popular over the years because there were different writers telling different stories about different characters, but ultimately tying into the framework of a singular universe. There’s enough diversity in that approach that has allowed comic books to remain relevant for decades. MCU could have the same success with the same diversified approach.
Well yes and no. First, movies are a different medium and beast all together. It costs hundreds of millions of dollars to make each one of these movies (or so). It takes (I'm guessing) less than that to make a comic book. So if a comic doesn't sell, no one cares much. Also they can produce a new issue of a title every week. It's a different way of telling a story. Each movie is not like an issue. Each movie is like a big story that is the culmination of many issues in a sense.
Also the comic industry has survived......barely....but each title has not. When X-Men or Avengers or whatever gets oversaturated, sales decline and they retool it. They either stop producing them for a while or they reboot in a sense. Can't really do that with the movies.
So as much as I hope and believe the MCU will continue for a good long while, it's not fair to say that it'll work because it worked with comics.
I feel like this is making me look anti-MCU when I am clearly not. I just worry since I DO want this stuff around for a long time. Over saturation can kill anything, even the really good stuff.
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If it’s not a matter of just copying comic books. I specifically use the term “comic book style of storytelling“ for a very specific purpose. I wish I could quantify it a little bit better. Combination of content and structure and style and approach. No comic book movie has ever done this until the MCU did.
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If it’s not a matter of just copying comic books. I specifically use the term “comic book style of storytelling“ for a very specific purpose. I wish I could quantify it a little bit better. Combination of content and structure and style and approach. No comic book movie has ever done this until the MCU did.
I agree. Like I said, there CAN be too much of a good thing. Over-saturation does hurt good products. MCU is a fantastic thing. Hopefully they continue to be awesome. I just worry that so much of it will hurt them. Hope I'm wrong.
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I understand what Adami is saying. The MCU kept getting bigger and bigger up until culminating phase 3 with Infinity world and Endgame. At the same time, there were a lot of people (some that I knew personally) who did not bother watching anything on phase 3 because "it was too many movies to keep track of". Others were just done with the super hero stories (even if each character was different).
With the way the MCU opened up so many possibilities now, and with so many shows and movies to keep track of, I can see a good amount of people being turned off by it. That, on top of the fact that I'm sure many fans dropped out after phase 3 and won't follow the upcoming movies and shows.
I think Marvel will need to come up with a Thanos like villain/event to bring back a lot of the hype and crowd that was lost after endgame.
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If it’s not a matter of just copying comic books. I specifically use the term “comic book style of storytelling“ for a very specific purpose. I wish I could quantify it a little bit better. Combination of content and structure and style and approach. No comic book movie has ever done this until the MCU did.
I agree. Like I said, there CAN be too much of a good thing. Over-saturation does hurt good products. MCU is a fantastic thing. Hopefully they continue to be awesome. I just worry that so much of it will hurt them. Hope I'm wrong.
Hopefully MCU won't produce anything as shite as Enterprise and kill the franchise stone dead for a decade ;D :xbones :rollin
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"Too much of a good thing" only exists in imaginative wordplay. I've never really seen it in real life.
If something fails because there is too much of it and it is seen as "oversaturated", it's because it stopped being good, at least to its former level. It becomes too much of an "OK" thing, or too much of a thing that won't be an issue if I miss it. That's not too much of a good thing. There's no such thing as too much of a good thing.
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"Too much of a good thing" only exists in imaginative wordplay. I've never really seen it in real life.
If something fails because there is too much of it and it is seen as "oversaturated", it's because it stopped being good, at least to its former level. It becomes too much of an "OK" thing, or too much of a thing that won't be an issue if I miss it. That's not too much of a good thing. There's no such thing as too much of a good thing.
I agree with this very much - isn't that what happened to the Spaghetti Western? I've seen a lot of critics point to that genre of film from the 50s and 60s and say that the superhero genre of films would eventually come to an end much like the Spaghetti Western, though I've not read much about those films to know to what extent their demise in Hollywood and the film industry was attributed to oversaturation, or if it was because the genre had been played out to its natural end.
I do agree that there is enough storytelling diversity in comic book films that it might not end the same way. If the MCU's die-hard fans begin to feel exhausted with the sheer amount of media being released, then I would begin to worry, but it feels like we are reaching a Golden Age of the MCU now, and it doesn't seem like any fans are jumping ship any faster than they have been in recent years. I'd argue that Disney+ probably brought some of those folks back, especially if they already had the streaming service for other things. And now that these series are being prepped by the films, and vice versa, there's an incentive to keep up with everything and staying informed by all the stories from both fronts.
-Marc.
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I don't fear over-saturation. I mean, given the variety of styles we've seen (in story-telling, genres, character development, cinematography), and the virtual limitless swath of characters / teams to draw from, to me it's like being worried that sci-fi movies will go out of style due to saturation.
That's just me. Deplorable me.
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"Too much of a good thing" only exists in imaginative wordplay. I've never really seen it in real life.
If something fails because there is too much of it and it is seen as "oversaturated", it's because it stopped being good, at least to its former level. It becomes too much of an "OK" thing, or too much of a thing that won't be an issue if I miss it. That's not too much of a good thing. There's no such thing as too much of a good thing.
This only applies to you. No such thing as too much Hef.
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"Too much of a good thing" only exists in imaginative wordplay. I've never really seen it in real life.
If something fails because there is too much of it and it is seen as "oversaturated", it's because it stopped being good, at least to its former level. It becomes too much of an "OK" thing, or too much of a thing that won't be an issue if I miss it. That's not too much of a good thing. There's no such thing as too much of a good thing.
This only applies to you. No such thing as too much Hef.
I love you too, pal.
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You two get an alternate universe will ya?!
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You two get an alternate universe will ya?!
You should see what our variants are doing!
Anywho, who do you all think will be on this new "dark" Avengers roster that Julia Louise Dreyfus is clearly putting together? She has her new Cap and her Black Widow. Do you think you'll try to get a new Iron Man during Armor Wars? How else is she going to put this team together?
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:lol
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Anywho, who do you all think will be on this new "dark" Avengers roster that Julia Louise Dreyfus is clearly putting together? She has her new Cap and her Black Widow. Do you think you'll try to get a new Iron Man during Armor Wars? How else is she going to put this team together?
Zemo seems like fair game, since he is headed to the Raft. Abomination maybe?
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Anywho, who do you all think will be on this new "dark" Avengers roster that Julia Louise Dreyfus is clearly putting together? She has her new Cap and her Black Widow. Do you think you'll try to get a new Iron Man during Armor Wars? How else is she going to put this team together?
Zemo seems like fair game, since he is headed to the Raft. Abomination maybe?
I have no idea how I didn't think Abomination. Good call!
As for Zemo, I dunno. The Dark Avengers in the comics were mirrors of the good ones for the most part. Seems (so far) to be the same here. A new Cap, a new Widow. Abomination would be a good Hulk. She'd want an Iron Man, Hawkeye and Thor type though. At least.
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Anywho, who do you all think will be on this new "dark" Avengers roster that Julia Louise Dreyfus is clearly putting together? She has her new Cap and her Black Widow. Do you think you'll try to get a new Iron Man during Armor Wars? How else is she going to put this team together?
Zemo seems like fair game, since he is headed to the Raft. Abomination maybe?
I have no idea how I didn't think Abomination. Good call!
As for Zemo, I dunno. The Dark Avengers in the comics were mirrors of the good ones for the most part. Seems (so far) to be the same here. A new Cap, a new Widow. Abomination would be a good Hulk. She'd want an Iron Man, Hawkeye and Thor type though. At least.
Hawkeye's daughter?
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Anywho, who do you all think will be on this new "dark" Avengers roster that Julia Louise Dreyfus is clearly putting together? She has her new Cap and her Black Widow. Do you think you'll try to get a new Iron Man during Armor Wars? How else is she going to put this team together?
Zemo seems like fair game, since he is headed to the Raft. Abomination maybe?
I have no idea how I didn't think Abomination. Good call!
As for Zemo, I dunno. The Dark Avengers in the comics were mirrors of the good ones for the most part. Seems (so far) to be the same here. A new Cap, a new Widow. Abomination would be a good Hulk. She'd want an Iron Man, Hawkeye and Thor type though. At least.
Yeah, but the MCU has deviated from the comics in a lot of ways. And I think having a direct analogue to each original Avenger would come across onscreen as pretty cheesy and might be offputting.
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Well yea. Nothing about these dark avengers would be in line with the comics. I just meant the general theme. I doubt they’ll follow it exactly but they have for the first two so I assume they might for at last the iron man version since we have armor wars coming up anyway.
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I think if we get one villain for each original Avengers, that might be OK, but it would be a bit hokey. I'd be fine with USAgent, Yelena Belova, and Abomination at least, but let's see other villains come back that didn't die....like, uhm... Hmmm. Zemo? And Mordo! How about Ghost, she's still gotta be alive even after the Blip.
I do wonder, if Valentina is working for Ross and we get a team of anti-heroes as the Thunderbolts, named after General "Thunderbolt" Ross. It didn't happen like that in the comics but it would be a neat way to work that out in context of the MCU, and it gives us a reason to see Ross eventually become Red Hulk, if William Hurt is up for it, though I understand he's not as spry and young as he used to be, though someone younger could do the on-set mocap and he could just be the face/voice for Red Hulk.
It seems like the MCU is gearing up towards both a new Avengers team and/or the Young Avengers, and some sort of anti-Avengers team (Dark Avengers or Thunderbolts). I think if we get both or all of these teams, it would be neat to see them all have to team-up in a sort of Secret War(s) battle against a villain like Doom or Kang. Seems like the best way to one-up a climax like Endgame, especially if the X-Men and Fantastic Four are also involved. Then again, they could do the Onslaught storyline and I would die happy, and that would give them a good reason to reboot Avengers characters with new actors if they so choose.
Also, I'm still wondering if they're going to do an A-Force film once She-Hulk gets off the ground? Would love to see her, Captain Marvel, Rescue, Wasp, Sif, and maybe a couple more in a film together!
-Marc.
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Watched Iron Man 2 over the weekend in our chronological order of movies, and my first watch of these... and this may have been my least favorite so far. I struggled to stay awake. What a let down after I really enjoyed the first Iron Man.
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Iron Man 2 seems to be ranked pretty low amongst everyone I know who's into the MCU, so you're not alone.
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Indeed, which is a shame cause it has some great stuff in it.
Micky Rourke was a pretty cool villain that they just gave...very little to do.
Justin Hammer is pretty universally liked in that movie as well.
But yea, the plot was WAY too muddled and thin. I think a much more focused script would've made it a much better movie.
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Indeed, which is a shame cause it has some great stuff in it.
Micky Rourke was a pretty cool villain that they just gave...very little to do.
Justin Hammer is pretty universally liked in that movie as well.
But yea, the plot was WAY too muddled and thin. I think a much more focused script would've made it a much better movie.
Justin Hammer was awesome, and I hope to see him again.
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Sam Rockwell is awesome. I can't think of a single role I've seen him in where I didn't think he was awesome, and Justin Hammer is certainly one of them. But I thought the character of Justin Hammer was a smarmy idiot, and meant to be that way. Hell, even the name "Justin" is one I associate with smarmy Gen-X (or -Y or whatever) dickheads, be that fair or not. Well-developed character, awesome portrayal, but I'd be fine never seeing him again.
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Indeed, which is a shame cause it has some great stuff in it.
Micky Rourke was a pretty cool villain that they just gave...very little to do.
Justin Hammer is pretty universally liked in that movie as well.
But yea, the plot was WAY too muddled and thin. I think a much more focused script would've made it a much better movie.
Justin Hammer was awesome, and I hope to see him again.
I keep hoping and waiting to hear that he'll be added to the cast of Armor Wars. It would be fitting since Iron Man 2 was the first film with Don Cheadle as Rhodey, so seeing Sam Rockwell back from that film would be a treat because you KNOW Hammer Industries continued trying to rip off Tony's tech after the events of Iron Man 2 in 2010. It's been 14 years in-universe, so I'm sure there's a lot they could do to incorporate Justin Hammer back into the MCU via Armor Wars. I want to know if he got out of prison (as seen in the All Hail The King MCU One-Shot), and if so, what has he been up to since then!
-Marc.
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Shang Chi new trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COGg-Vjauwo&t
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The Disney+ series Hawkeye will be premiering on November 24th.
https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1420761030704173056?s=19
-Marc.
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Nice
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The Disney+ series Hawkeye will be premiering on November 24th.
https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1420761030704173056?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1420761030704173056?s=19)
-Marc.
I'm really looking forward to this, as it is based on an amazing Matt Fraction/David Aja comics run.
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Honestly, I think I'm most excited for What If?
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Honestly, I think I'm most excited for What If?
Preliminary reviews for it are very, very strong.
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https://www.royalstondesign.com/marvel-mcu-vhs-series
I found this artist a few months ago on Twitter, and his designs for MCU VHS covers are extraordinary. I've been using them as my phone backgrounds for over a month now (using an app that cycles through all of them).
He's also made new ones for Black Widow and the 3 currently released Disney+ shows.
https://twitter.com/RoyalstonDesign/status/1415736353745158149?s=19
-Marc.
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SO I finally watched Endgame last night (well, I finished it last night; we watched it over two nights). I'm not sure what to make of it. I think I have to watch it again.
I will say this: I don't like when main characters, the "title hero", dies. I get people have to die, but I am so used to suspending the "arc of life" with comic books that it's jarring when someone that is a main character, dies.
And minor point, but if I was Brie Larsen I would have written that haircut out of my contract. :tdwn
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SO I finally watched Endgame last night (well, I finished it last night; we watched it over two nights). I'm not sure what to make of it. I think I have to watch it again.
I will say this: I don't like when main characters, the "title hero", dies. I get people have to die, but I am so used to suspending the "arc of life" with comic books that it's jarring when someone that is a main character, dies.
And minor point, but if I was Brie Larsen I would have written that haircut out of my contract. :tdwn
Yeah IW and Endgame are movies that pay off to watch them twice.
Interested in knowing your thoughts regarding what they did with Thor.
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SO I finally watched Endgame last night (well, I finished it last night; we watched it over two nights). I'm not sure what to make of it. I think I have to watch it again.
I will say this: I don't like when main characters, the "title hero", dies. I get people have to die, but I am so used to suspending the "arc of life" with comic books that it's jarring when someone that is a main character, dies.
And minor point, but if I was Brie Larsen I would have written that haircut out of my contract. :tdwn
Yeah IW and Endgame are movies that pay off to watch them twice.
Interested in knowing your thoughts regarding what they did with Thor.
Hated it. Thor is one of my favorite characters and I think that "twist" removed what I love most about him: He's a leader, but not really. He's a god, but not really. He's smart, but not really. He's all these things that are sort of a contradiction, and in that last movie it just seemed he was pure comedic relief.
Where I sit right now, I liked Infinity War WAY better than Endgame. I will absolutely watch it again, though. One little thing I did like: when Tony did the snap and Thanos looked around and just sat down knowing it was over, Johnny. It's over. I thought that was so subtle and yet so powerful.
One other thing: I wish I felt more empathy with Nebula. She was such a main character in the movie but I just didn't connect, really.
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Regarding Thor, I wasn’t too impressed at first, but ultimately thought it was brilliant. It just showed he’s “human”. Lost his dad ... mom murdered... brother murdered who he’d just reconciled with... best friend murdered .... the Warriors 3 murdered by his sister .... homeland obliterated... everyone on the refugee ship killed .... and then in the final moment to save 1/2 the universe, he fucks it up. Falling into the deepest depression where nothing meaningful matters is totally understandable, imo.
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Regarding Thor, I wasn’t too impressed at first, but ultimately thought it was brilliant. It just showed he’s “human”. Lost his dad ... mom murdered... brother murdered who he’d just reconciled with... best friend murdered .... the Warriors 3 murdered by his sister .... homeland obliterated... everyone on the refugee ship killed .... and then in the final moment to save 1/2 the universe, he fucks it up. Falling into the deepest depression where nothing meaningful matters is totally understandable, imo.
Yup. They did maybe overplay the comedic part of it and underplay the actual drama but the twist itself was brilliant.
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Hated it. Thor is one of my favorite characters and I think that "twist" removed what I love most about him: He's a leader, but not really. He's a god, but not really. He's smart, but not really. He's all these things that are sort of a contradiction, and in that last movie it just seemed he was pure comedic relief.
Thank you for responding. This was something that divided a lot of fans and even caused some controversy when the movie was released. With that said:
Regarding Thor, I wasn’t too impressed at first, but ultimately thought it was brilliant. It just showed he’s “human”. Lost his dad ... mom murdered... brother murdered who he’d just reconciled with... best friend murdered .... the Warriors 3 murdered by his sister .... homeland obliterated... everyone on the refugee ship killed .... and then in the final moment to save 1/2 the universe, he fucks it up. Falling into the deepest depression where nothing meaningful matters is totally understandable, imo.
That's where I stand and I also though it was brilliant. If you look at the characters that survive the snap, the way they coped with things is directly attached to their personality. We see a vulnerable Thor in IW, when he was on the ship with Rocket and Groot. Makes sense to me he would turn the way he did after losing a battle that caused half of all live to vanished and feeling like it was your fault, on top of everything he had already lost.
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Regarding Thor, I wasn’t too impressed at first, but ultimately thought it was brilliant. It just showed he’s “human”. Lost his dad ... mom murdered... brother murdered who he’d just reconciled with... best friend murdered .... the Warriors 3 murdered by his sister .... homeland obliterated... everyone on the refugee ship killed .... and then in the final moment to save 1/2 the universe, he fucks it up. Falling into the deepest depression where nothing meaningful matters is totally understandable, imo.
Yup. They did maybe overplay the comedic part of it and underplay the actual drama but the twist itself was brilliant.
On this, we agree. Though, the cheez-whiz and Lebowski comments were pretty darn good.
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I had no issue with the treatment of Thor, it follows his arc of stupid silliness fine, as well as keeping with his actual mental breakdown. I felt it tied the two together nicely.
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Where I sit right now, I liked Infinity War WAY better than Endgame.
Watching the end of IW (with all the dusting after the snap) in the cinema for the first time was amazing, just taking in all that was happening.
But I've said it before it's much easier to write a brilliant cliff hanger ending, than it is to write a satisfying resolution. I think for the most part Endgame did satisfy, I have a few niggles and I do think IW is the slightly better film - but overall I was really happy with both parts.
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I'll never forget the end of IW... The dude next to me turning to his friends in bewilderment asking "did they lose?"
Seeing Endgame opening night in a packed theater will be a movie experience that will never be topped though. For that alone I'd put it on top of IW.
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One other thing: I wish I felt more empathy with Nebula. She was such a main character in the movie but I just didn't connect, really.
I liked her arc, but it did feel like she got more screen time because Karen Gillan has gotten more popular since Nebula was first introduced. She was a secondary character who they tried to make into a main character, and we already had plenty of main characters.
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Hated it. Thor is one of my favorite characters and I think that "twist" removed what I love most about him: He's a leader, but not really. He's a god, but not really. He's smart, but not really. He's all these things that are sort of a contradiction, and in that last movie it just seemed he was pure comedic relief.
Thank you for responding. This was something that divided a lot of fans and even caused some controversy when the movie was released. With that said:
Regarding Thor, I wasn’t too impressed at first, but ultimately thought it was brilliant. It just showed he’s “human”. Lost his dad ... mom murdered... brother murdered who he’d just reconciled with... best friend murdered .... the Warriors 3 murdered by his sister .... homeland obliterated... everyone on the refugee ship killed .... and then in the final moment to save 1/2 the universe, he fucks it up. Falling into the deepest depression where nothing meaningful matters is totally understandable, imo.
That's where I stand and I also though it was brilliant. If you look at the characters that survive the snap, the way they coped with things is directly attached to their personality. We see a vulnerable Thor in IW, when he was on the ship with Rocket and Groot. Makes sense to me he would turn the way he did after losing a battle that caused half of all live to vanished and feeling like it was your fault, on top of everything he had already lost.
I'm human, I live with arguably three or four humans, I sired a human, most of my friends are human... I have enough loss and reality and "dealing" each and every day. I don't really need that from my costumed super heroes. Thor ISN'T human, in the sense that he has a Hammer that no one other than Capt. America (another twist I wasn't that fond of) can even LIFT. He can fly, more or less, and move between universes almost at will. He popped an eyeball into his head that came more or less directly from a rabbit/racoon's ass. I don't need "depression" from him. We've got "sensitive" Bruce Banner, and "sensitive" Steve Rogers, and a morphing-into-sensitive-in-a-way-that-makes-perfect-sense "sensitive" Tony Stark. I thought it was unnecessary.
But I understand the other point of view; it's just my opinion.
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I'll never forget the end of IW... The dude next to me turning to his friends in bewilderment asking "did they lose?"
Seeing Endgame opening night in a packed theater will be a movie experience that will never be topped though. For that alone I'd put it on top of IW.
See, I fought back emotions when Peter Parker turned to dust; that look on his face - "Tony! What the flip is HAPPENING to me! This isn't supposed to happen!" with a twist of "My aunt is going to KILL ME!" - was priceless. I did not cry or even feel close to it watching Tony reach his conclusion.
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Stads, even Thanos let a tear out. :lol
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IMO, dealing with immense and immeasurable loss isn't exclusive to "human"-ity. Asgardians aren't emotionless nor impervious to pain - they're not Vulcan! :lol If they can feel happy, pleasure, anger, love etc... they can also feel grief. I think his arc was done better the way it was, rather than to have him simply continue existing as the God of Thunder / King of Asgard. His entire purpose was shattered by Thanos - A God should've stopped Thanos; A King should've protected his people. I personally felt it more believable this way, than if he'd gone on as the Thor from his first 2 movies.
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I'll never forget the end of IW... The dude next to me turning to his friends in bewilderment asking "did they lose?"
Seeing Endgame opening night in a packed theater will be a movie experience that will never be topped though. For that alone I'd put it on top of IW.
See, I fought back emotions when Peter Parker turned to dust; that look on his face - "Tony! What the flip is HAPPENING to me! This isn't supposed to happen!" with a twist of "My aunt is going to KILL ME!" - was priceless. I did not cry or even feel close to it watching Tony reach his conclusion.
Yeah, but seeing the on your left scene at home on a couch as opposed to in a theater with a few hundred uber geeks screaming their heads off are two VASTLY different experiences.
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I'll never forget the end of IW... The dude next to me turning to his friends in bewilderment asking "did they lose?"
Seeing Endgame opening night in a packed theater will be a movie experience that will never be topped though. For that alone I'd put it on top of IW.
See, I fought back emotions when Peter Parker turned to dust; that look on his face - "Tony! What the flip is HAPPENING to me! This isn't supposed to happen!" with a twist of "My aunt is going to KILL ME!" - was priceless. I did not cry or even feel close to it watching Tony reach his conclusion.
Yeah, but seeing the on your left scene at home on a couch as opposed to in a theater with a few hundred uber geeks screaming their heads off are two VASTLY different experiences.
IMO, Endgame's goosebump inducing moments were bigger than the ones in IW, just a little. Both experiences in a fully jam-packed IMAX theater will never be topped.
Overall, I give the nod to IW though, just for how *all* the characters were incorporated and played meaningful roles, and how the separate storylines all converged at the end.
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Yeah, from a clinical view, IW was a more complete and together product, but Endgame brought that shit home in the most epic fashion. Really hard to discern for me tbh.
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Not directly related to the MCU, but this trailer for Free Guy gave me a good laugh.
https://youtu.be/g7q60i_Lh_E
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Saw that one a couple weeks back. Just brilliant.
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IMO, dealing with immense and immeasurable loss isn't exclusive to "human"-ity. Asgardians aren't emotionless nor impervious to pain - they're not Vulcan! :lol If they can feel happy, pleasure, anger, love etc... they can also feel grief. I think his arc was done better the way it was, rather than to have him simply continue existing as the God of Thunder / King of Asgard. His entire purpose was shattered by Thanos - A God should've stopped Thanos; A King should've protected his people. I personally felt it more believable this way, than if he'd gone on as the Thor from his first 2 movies.
Completely agree, I loved Thor's arc.
I also liked the fact that once he'd got his head into a better place, he didn't suddenly become his old self physically. I thought the whole arc was handled really well.
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Same. It bugs me when I see people say it was just played for laughs/comedic relief, when it was SO much more than that, and was so emotionally impactful on so many levels. Seems like those people just missed the point.
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Same. It bugs me when I see people say it was just played for laughs/comedic relief, when it was SO much more than that, and was so emotionally impactful on so many levels. Seems like those people just missed the point.
Yes, and totally missing a GREAT subtle performance by Hemsworth.
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Well, I don't think it was JUST played for laughs; I got the point, I just am not sure that was the best way to get it across.
To echo TAC's post in one of the Dream Theater album threads, I might be suffering from undue outside influence. I'm really sort of bummed about the Olympics this year. I LOVE the Olympics, and have historically watched them - summer and winter - in their entirety. Even the lesser-known and/or made-up sports. The gymnasts with the ribbons; the synchronized swimming. But EVERYTHING is about "message" these days. EVERYONE has their protest and their truth and their this and their that, and I'm getting numb to it. I finally stopped watching the Olympics outright because every broadcast moment was seemingly spent trying to find the "angle", the "humanity". But these are supposed to be the best of the best on the biggest stage, once every four years. There's no do-overs. No second chances. Jim McKay telling us about the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat, with the ski-jumper falling off the ramp and ripping down the ABC OLYMPICS sign. Back to THOR, THE GOD OF FRIGGIN' THUNDER, I mean, if my politicians can't be heroes, if my athletes can't be heroes, and now I can't even rely on my SUPERHEROES to be heroes, then WTF? I get it; that's a one-dimensional way to look at things, but it's how I looked at that part of that movie while watching it. Who knows? Maybe I'll watch it again and think differently.
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I think I saved myself from the majority of that bullshit in the olympics by watching them on YT. Five minute clips showing the highlights of each event, and a snippet of the ceremony for the emotional finish.
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That’s good insight Stads on how our state of mind affects our movie-watching experience.
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We skipped The Hulk because I am told it's a different actor and not too relevant to the rest of the marvel universe so we watched Thor last night. I was also kind of meh about this one. Honestly, starting to look like I was right in my thought that Marvel is not for me. These movies are losing steam quickly for me. The first Avengers is next, which might be make or break for me to continue.
Having said that, should I go back and watch The Hulk?
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I would recommend to stick to it. The first couple of movies are hard to get through. Things didn't start to pick up until Avengers(your next movie to watch), but really and truly it was after Captain American Winter Soldier that every movie felt like it was in the great/awesome category.
The Hulk is more of a "If you want to, go watch it". It seems that the main villain will come back in one of the future movies, so it might be relevant, but it could also just be a cameo, so for now it is safe to skip that one.
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I don't plan on making my mind up after the Avengers, but kind of dissapointed in only like 2 of the 5 movies so far (the first Iron Man and Captain America).
I'm about to leave for LA for 10 days for work and won't be with my girl to continue watching, but may consider watching the Hulk as I'll probably need something to watch in the hotel at night. I just don't want to sour myself even further if it's not relevant/good.
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I would recommend to stick to it. The first couple of movies are hard to get through. Things didn't start to pick up until Avengers(your next movie to watch), but really and truly it was after Captain American Winter Soldier that every movie felt like it was in the great/awesome category.
The Hulk is more of a "If you want to, go watch it". It seems that the main villain will come back in one of the future movies, so it might be relevant, but it could also just be a cameo, so for now it is safe to skip that one.
This is spot on. The first 4 were setup movies. Teenage foreplay. You ought to get the chance to blow your load with Avengers. And Vader is right... Winter Soldier is the first truly great standalone film - so don't base any go/no-go decision on IM3.
Patience Kimosabe.
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Damn.... wrong thread.
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The hell are you all talking about? Iron Man is an amazing stand alone film.
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The hell are you all talking about? Iron Man is an amazing stand alone film.
I guess I define "great" as Top 5 in the 23 movies up to Endgame. IM1 I put in the Top 10; but Winter Soldier is securely in the Top 5.
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Shang-Chi tickets purchased.
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Shang-Chi tickets purchased.
Yup. Sadly since my girlfriend is a Rabbi, it usually knocks out Friday/Saturday for her, so we're going on Sunday. Will just try to avoid spoilers for a few days (totally won't be hard :mehlin)
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Shang-Chi tickets purchased.
Yup. Sadly since my girlfriend is a Rabbi, it usually knocks out Friday/Saturday for her, so we're going on Sunday. Will just try to avoid spoilers for a few days (totally won't be hard :mehlin)
I'm going Thursday at 7pm. :biggrin:
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I forgot it was opening this weekend. Maybe Saturday or Sunday then!
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I forgot it was opening this weekend. Maybe Saturday or Sunday then!
Still 2 weeks away :natalieportman: I might be away Labor Day weekend, but I might try to see if I can catch it anyways. Worst case it will be available in Disney+ on October 18 I believe?
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I forgot it was opening this weekend. Maybe Saturday or Sunday then!
Still 2 weeks away, no? ???
According to Wikipedia:
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings had its world premiere at the El Capitan Theatre and TCL Chinese Theater in Los Angeles on August 16, 2021, and will be screened at CinemaCon on August 25. The film is scheduled to be released in the United States on September 3, 2021. It will have a 45-day exclusive theatrical release, rather than being released simultaneously in theaters and on Disney+ with Premier Access like Black Widow. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings will be part of Phase Four of the MCU.
I forgot it was opening this weekend. Maybe Saturday or Sunday then!
You've got two weeks, unless you're talking to us from the future.
-Marc.
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Shang-Chi tickets purchased.
Yup. Sadly since my girlfriend is a Rabbi, it usually knocks out Friday/Saturday for her, so we're going on Sunday. Will just try to avoid spoilers for a few days (totally won't be hard :mehlin)
Does that mean Marvel isn't kosher? :)
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Shang-Chi tickets purchased.
Yup. Sadly since my girlfriend is a Rabbi, it usually knocks out Friday/Saturday for her, so we're going on Sunday. Will just try to avoid spoilers for a few days (totally won't be hard :mehlin)
Does that mean Marvel isn't kosher? :)
It's definitely not Halacha.
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Final trailer for Eternals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlVhlKuUfiA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlVhlKuUfiA)
:metal
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Holy fuck. :omg:
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Holy fuck. :omg:
:omg: :omg:
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That looks awesome.
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I think I went from 6 to 12. This looks fuckin bitchin.
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I went from an 8 to a 6. It's just a trailer but didn't give me much feels.
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I went from an 8 to a 6. It's just a trailer but didn't give me much feels.
Not me. It moved.
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I went from an 8 to a 6. It's just a trailer but didn't give me much feels.
Based on your response, I don't think you quite know what "going from 6 to 12" means. :lol
Final trailer for Eternals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlVhlKuUfiA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlVhlKuUfiA)
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I definitely loved this trailer, lots to dig into, and it seems like this will be a "Grand Scope" sort of film that covers a LOT of the cosmic history of the MCU. It'll be interesting to see how close to the comics they'll be with regards to origin stories and character relationships.
-Marc.
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I went from an 8 to a 6. It's just a trailer but didn't give me much feels.
Based on your response, I don't think you quite know what "going from 6 to 12" means. :lol
Oh. :lol I just looked that up. :o I think my 6 to 8 declaration is still, erm, "solid", for want of a better term.
EDIT: No, wait. I said 8 to 6, didn't I? Oh dear. I am looking forward to it but feeling cautious.
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I went from an 8 to a 6. It's just a trailer but didn't give me much feels.
Based on your response, I don't think you quite know what "going from 6 to 12" means. :lol
Oh. :lol I just looked that up. :o I think my 6 to 8 declaration is still, erm, "solid", for want of a better term.
EDIT: No, wait. I said 8 to 6, didn't I? Oh dear. I am looking forward to it but feeling cautious.
So, the same way you feel about your OnlyFans subscriptions? :lol :lol
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:lol
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Saw a piece elsewhere, and figured it'd make fun speculation for us. What will be the avengers 5 team lineup?
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Dr. Strange, Spidey, She-Hulk, Scarlet Witch, White Vision, Captain Falcon. Not sure if Thor would make an appearance.
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Dr. Strange, Spidey, She-Hulk, Scarlet Witch, White Vision, Captain Falcon. Not sure if Thor would make an appearance.
I'd think Danvers would be in there as well, she's contracted for a shit ton more movies.
On a side note, I was reading a piece about the casting of the Fantastic 4, and they were talking about Marvel's track record on not having to recast roles. I thought into it, and as I remember, they've only recast Roadie, Banner and Thanos. Is there any others?
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Red skull
I’d barely put thanos there. They cast Brolin after the other dude had a 3 second smile.
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Dr. Strange, Spidey, She-Hulk, Scarlet Witch, White Vision, Captain Falcon. Not sure if Thor would make an appearance.
I'd think Danvers would be in there as well, she's contracted for a shit ton more movies.
On a side note, I was reading a piece about the casting of the Fantastic 4, and they were talking about Marvel's track record on not having to recast roles. I thought into it, and as I remember, they've only recast Roadie, Banner and Thanos. Is there any others?
Red skull
I’d barely put thanos there. They cast Brolin after the other dude had a 3 second smile.
Rhodes and Banner were recast because of conflicts with their original actors, and Weaving just simply didn't want to return to Red Skull, so those are all understandable. Thanos I think was just a last minute addition by Joss and Kevin to the Avengers tag that they probably didn't have time to properly cast him. If Marvel Studios ever does a special edition edit of their earlier films, it would be neat to see them redo that tag with the GOTG-Version of Thanos at the end just for continuity's sake.
Fandral from the Thor films was recast but that was due to scheduling conflicts. From Wikipedia:
Fandral appears in the film Thor, where he is played by Josh Dallas. Zachary Levi, star of NBC's Chuck, was originally set to play Fandral but had to pull out when Chuck's season 3 order was extended from 13 to 19 episodes. Actor Stuart Townsend, who had also been cast in the role, left the production citing creative differences.
Fandral is played by Zachary Levi in Thor: The Dark World, replacing Dallas after the actor's commitment to Once Upon a Time created scheduling conflicts. His role is expanded from comic relief in the first movie, as he assists Thor with leaving Asgard.
Levi reprises his role, albeit briefly, in Thor: Ragnarok.
Other than those, I can't really think of any other roles that were recast outside of necessity, like having two actors portray Howard Stark in the 40s/50s and a different one later in his life in the 70s/80s/90s.
-Marc.
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Oops. Never mind.
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Rumors going around that No Way Home trailer will drop tomorrow, plus a really shitty leaked trailer dropped. I mean, really shitty quality, like girl on snapchat with 500 filters, filmed by a cell phone of a cell phone and watched in a dirty bathroom mirror's reflection shitty. But the voices checked out, so we'll see if it was legit.
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/240246822_10161132713862678_1000251269086515183_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=-a25LrfePJsAX94te0k&tn=TkzGITk76DfVeTSY&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=75ca8738425ea36bff0f30133059448d&oe=61494E5B)
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Rumors going around that No Way Home trailer will drop tomorrow, plus a really shitty leaked trailer dropped. I mean, really shitty quality, like girl on snapchat with 500 filters, filmed by a cell phone of a cell phone and watched in a dirty bathroom mirror's reflection shitty. But the voices checked out, so we'll see if it was legit.
:lol I thought you were exaggerating with that description but it is that bad :lol
Well, I'll wait for the official trailer
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It really is :rollin
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Officially official, as tweeted by Marvel...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1429981785954430979 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1429981785954430979)
Quality still looked rough, but that was probably because a bazillion people were smashing the fuck out of the link at once I'd imagine. I literally got to it a few seconds after dropping
Ok, got a few more in on my big tv....and all I can say is FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKK
I mean, holy shit. We got Doc Oc, the Goblin, and a brief shot of Matt Murdock. All three fall movies are looking so fucking dope.
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Wow
Wait, we got Matt Murdock? Did I miss that?
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Wow
Wait, we got Matt Murdock? Did I miss that?
The bit in the interrogation room, right before it you see the lawyer walk in, I'm pretty sure it's him. Watched it a few times on my big screen, I could see the glasses.
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Wow
Wait, we got Matt Murdock? Did I miss that?
The bit in the interrogation room, right before it you see the lawyer walk in, I'm pretty sure it's him. Watched it a few times on my big screen, I could see the glasses.
I missed that too. Re-watching. You think it's Charlie Cox?
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Well wait for the dissection videos to confirm.
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I'm intrigued about Dr. Strange, he seems to be in a no F*** given mood. Maybe his way of coping with the Thanos aftermath.
Me thinks Doc Oc is not talking to MCU Spidey there :o
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Wow
Wait, we got Matt Murdock? Did I miss that?
The bit in the interrogation room, right before it you see the lawyer walk in, I'm pretty sure it's him. Watched it a few times on my big screen, I could see the glasses.
Do you mean the lawyer (presumably) in a shirt and tie who slams some papers down in front of Peter? We can't see his face, but it could be Murdock I guess.
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A few seconds before that, you see (mostly a silhouette) him walking into the interrogation room. Could be Murdock.
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A few seconds before that, you see (mostly a silhouette) him walking into the interrogation room. Could be Murdock.
Eh, not convinced by that. The person behind in the shirt and tie was walking normally, arms folded, so unless Murdock has stopped his pretence with the stick, it wouldn't make sense for it to be him.
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A few seconds before that, you see (mostly a silhouette) him walking into the interrogation room. Could be Murdock.
Eh, not convinced by that. The person behind in the shirt and tie was walking normally, arms folded, so unless Murdock has stopped his pretence with the stick, it wouldn't make sense for it to be him.
Killjoy. :P
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Crap.
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A few seconds before that, you see (mostly a silhouette) him walking into the interrogation room. Could be Murdock.
Eh, not convinced by that. The person behind in the shirt and tie was walking normally, arms folded, so unless Murdock has stopped his pretence with the stick, it wouldn't make sense for it to be him.
Killgrave. :P
Jessica Jones confirmed?!?!?
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So I know it's just a teaser, and I am confident the movie will explain this in a satisfactory way, but I don't buy how they showed Strange doing everything.
"Hey Doc, any chance we can change the nature of reality?"
"SURE THING BRAH!"
"Wait, maybe not EVERYTHING about..."
"SHUT UP BRAH I'M REWRITING REALITY!"
Maybe it's not really Strange? Dunno. Just seems awfully out of character for him to agree to something like that.
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Just seems awfully out of character for him to agree to something like that.
Yeah I definitely had a similar thought. Especially with Wong appearing and telling him not to do the spell. In the trailer it does come across as him just being "yeah whatever" about it, and I guess that could be where he's at after all the intensity of IW/Endgame, but whether it's that or some other motivation I do hope it's brought out a little bit.
Also regardless of motivation, he may have also figured it was safe to do a spell that just changes one specific thing, but that it was Peter's meddling that caused all the chaos.
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So I know it's just a teaser, and I am confident the movie will explain this in a satisfactory way, but I don't buy how they showed Strange doing everything.
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Maybe it's not really Strange? Dunno. Just seems awfully out of character for him to agree to something like that.
I'm intrigued about Dr. Strange, he seems to be in a no F*** given mood. Maybe his way of coping with the Thanos aftermath.
I was talking about this with my partner yesterday after we saw the trailer. It is extremely out of character but I think it is him and he is in a whatever mood, coping with the Thanos aftermath. The NY Sanctum is covered in ice (for some reason), he is in sweat pants and a hoodie, and when Wong tells him not to cast the spell, his seemed annoyed Wong was telling him what to do.
We saw how some of the other avengers were coping with the events (including peter in Far From Home), maybe his way of coping with everything is by no caring anymore. Also, why does he still have the Eye of Agamotto if he doesn't have the time stone anymore? so many questions!
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I'm digging that a lot. A LOT. I mean, it doesn't make a ton of sense, but who cares? It was 2:56 out of a 2 and a half hour movie, it's not supposed to make sense, it's supposed to get me to watch the movie. Mission accomplished! :)
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Also, why does he still have the Eye of Agamotto if he doesn't have the time stone anymore? so many questions!
The Eye of Agamotto never did host the Time Stone in the comics. It's a mystical talisman in its own right, and I assume it is so even without the Time Stone in the MCU.
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Also, why does he still have the Eye of Agamotto if he doesn't have the time stone anymore? so many questions!
The Eye of Agamotto never did host the Time Stone in the comics. It's a mystical talisman in its own right, and I assume it is so even without the Time Stone in the MCU.
I dunno. As far as I know, the tesseract and Vision were never infinity stones in the comics either but the movies made them connected beyond distinction. So if the Eye is something else, they haven't hinted at it since he's only used it as the time stone.
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A few seconds before that, you see (mostly a silhouette) him walking into the interrogation room. Could be Murdock.
Eh, not convinced by that. The person behind in the shirt and tie was walking normally, arms folded, so unless Murdock has stopped his pretence with the stick, it wouldn't make sense for it to be him.
Also, the two persons walking behind have batches on their chests, they seem to be policemen.
(https://i.ibb.co/XjWg9pD/Captura-de-Pantalla-2021-08-24-a-la-s-09-13-44.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/pLTTxLj/Captura-de-Pantalla-2021-08-24-a-la-s-09-14-02.png)
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I think he meant this person
(https://i.imgur.com/HyqpEtq.jpg)
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:rollin
I think he meant this person
(https://i.imgur.com/HyqpEtq.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin
OH, OK, :rollin
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That's who I meant... And as painful as it is to admit, Rich is right.
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Also, why does he still have the Eye of Agamotto if he doesn't have the time stone anymore? so many questions!
The Eye of Agamotto never did host the Time Stone in the comics. It's a mystical talisman in its own right, and I assume it is so even without the Time Stone in the MCU.
I dunno. As far as I know, the tesseract and Vision were never infinity stones in the comics either but the movies made them connected beyond distinction. So if the Eye is something else, they haven't hinted at it since he's only used it as the time stone.
True, but before it was revealed as holding the Time Stone at the end of Dr. Strange, the amulet did perform some of what its 'power' is in the comics:
The Eye is used to find and show "truth".
It can emit an "all-revealing light".
It can play back recent events.
It has other abilities which are similar to telepathy but are magical rather than psionic, greatest of which is the ability to give its user certain mystical perceptions into another's soul.
It accompanies the wearer's astral form and is one of the few items usable in either state (albeit at a less powerful state).
No reason why they can't/shouldn't fall back on some of its more traditional 'powers'.
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Yeah, there was no Murdoch in this trailer. Doesn't mean he won't show up, but he wasn't in this. BUT there was another cameo that was missed: the lizard (who I didn't see until it was pointed out [@2:26]).
Also: :lol @ Dr. Strange's coffee mug (@1:28).
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Also was the "be careful what you wish for" line by Strange?
I wonder if there's a Christmas Carol element to this. Or maybe It's a Wonderful Life?
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Also was the "be careful what you wish for" line by Strange?
I could be wrong, but it sounded like Goblin/Osborne to me. (but there could also be intentional voice distortion to mislead us, too, so who knows?)
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I wondered if it was Mysterio, either as part of footage he shot before his death or that the events of the film bring him back or a variant of him. Could be Strange speaking, he just seems less likely to refer to Peter as "Parker" especially given their introduction to each other in the trailer.
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Given the number of MCU and non-MCU villains hinted at either in this trailer or elsewhere, are we assuming they're doing some form of mutiversal Sinister Six?
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I was talking about this with my partner yesterday after we saw the trailer. It is extremely out of character but I think it is him and he is in a whatever mood, coping with the Thanos aftermath. The NY Sanctum is covered in ice (for some reason), he is in sweat pants and a hoodie, and when Wong tells him not to cast the spell, his seemed annoyed Wong was telling him what to do.
We saw how some of the other avengers were coping with the events (including peter in Far From Home), maybe his way of coping with everything is by no caring anymore. Also, why does he still have the Eye of Agamotto if he doesn't have the time stone anymore? so many questions!
Very good points, especially the hoodie which I noticed too (and which looks pretty funny under his cloak). So yes it could well all be related.
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Given the number of MCU and non-MCU villains hinted at either in this trailer or elsewhere, are we assuming they're doing some form of mutiversal Sinister Six?
Probably? We got Electro, Doc Oc, Goblin, Sandman, and Lizard at least hinted at in this trailer. I hope they do a good job with it though. Last time Sony tried a bunch of villains in one movie deal, it did not go well at all.
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So we watched the first Avengers last night. I think I'm checking out. I don't get it. Maybe because I never was into the comics, but I find the movie to be fairly boring and completely uninteresting from a plot and character development standpoint. Oh well, I tried.
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Fair enough. If Avengers doesn't tickle you then it's unlikely to. Mind you, if you were to have just one more nibble I'd try Guardians Of The Galaxy. The tone of the movies shifted at that point on, imo. It was slicker, funnier and better than everything before and everything after pretty much carried that quality on.
(I also have no attachment to the comics bar Spidey as a kid, btw. I love comics but I'm not a super hero guy.)
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Yeah, if Avengers didn't do it for you it's deff not your thing.
Agree on Guardians of the Galaxy. Worth watching just for the comedy side of it.
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I actually watched half of Guardians on a flight and fell asleep (more of my own doing, I don't recall it boring me or anything but I usually take sleeping pills on flights) but I never went back to it. Was looking a bit more forward to that since I recalled it not being bad.
I actually do think I may muscle through some more, but just won't be a priority or anything. I really did want to enjoy it, the universe as a whole and all these stories and connections all seemed right up my ally. I liked the first Captain America and the first Iron Man, just nothing else up to this point really seemed interesting.
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Man, if Avengers didn't do it for you... You may find some pleasure in some of the movies, but I wouldn't suggest you commit to getting thru the next 18. Seems like it just ain't your thang.
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Marc. You seltzer drinking fool. :lol
I still love you bro.
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Marc. You seltzer drinking fool. :lol
I still love you bro.
I've watched all movies completely sober. Actually, maybe that is the problem :lol
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I actually watched half of Guardians on a flight and fell asleep (more of my own doing, I don't recall it boring me or anything but I usually take sleeping pills on flights) but I never went back to it. Was looking a bit more forward to that since I recalled it not being bad.
I actually do think I may muscle through some more, but just won't be a priority or anything. I really did want to enjoy it, the universe as a whole and all these stories and connections all seemed right up my ally. I liked the first Captain America and the first Iron Man, just nothing else up to this point really seemed interesting.
You have to make the call yourself, but the various sub-franchises DO have their own flavor. I REALLY liked Guardians of the Galaxy (both) a lot, and the Thor movies have their charm. They hit a stride about halfway through of really balancing the nerd with the fun. I HATE HATE HATE that snarky "Hasta la vista, baby!" snarky action picture stuff, and the Marvel universe has, in my humble opinion, walked that line beautifully. They ARE funny but they have a knack for being serious when they need to be serious. I don't recall Thor cracking wise when his limbs were being ripped from their sockets while he harnessed the power of the star to fuel the furnace.
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I actually watched half of Guardians on a flight and fell asleep (more of my own doing, I don't recall it boring me or anything but I usually take sleeping pills on flights) but I never went back to it. Was looking a bit more forward to that since I recalled it not being bad.
I actually do think I may muscle through some more, but just won't be a priority or anything. I really did want to enjoy it, the universe as a whole and all these stories and connections all seemed right up my ally. I liked the first Captain America and the first Iron Man, just nothing else up to this point really seemed interesting.
You have to make the call yourself, but the various sub-franchises DO have their own flavor. I REALLY liked Guardians of the Galaxy (both) a lot, and the Thor movies have their charm. They hit a stride about halfway through of really balancing the nerd with the fun. I HATE HATE HATE that snarky "Hasta la vista, baby!" snarky action picture stuff, and the Marvel universe has, in my humble opinion, walked that line beautifully. They ARE funny but they have a knack for being serious when they need to be serious. I don't recall Thor cracking wise when his limbs were being ripped from their sockets while he harnessed the power of the star to fuel the furnace.
Eitri: You understand, boy? You're about to take the full force of a star. It'll kill you.
Thor: Only if I die. [He takes deep breaths.]
Eitri: [Boggled] Yes. That's what... "killing you" means.
:-*
But I mostly agree. Marvel, to me, goes a LITTLE too far on the comedy some times, but usually keeps a brilliant balance.
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Other than some 90s jokes from Captain Marvel that I could totally relate to, I've found almost all the comedy in these movies to be borderline cringe. Kind of the same with the latest Star Wars. It's probably a lot more enjoyable type of comedy for children.
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I actually watched half of Guardians on a flight and fell asleep (more of my own doing, I don't recall it boring me or anything but I usually take sleeping pills on flights) but I never went back to it. Was looking a bit more forward to that since I recalled it not being bad.
I actually do think I may muscle through some more, but just won't be a priority or anything. I really did want to enjoy it, the universe as a whole and all these stories and connections all seemed right up my ally. I liked the first Captain America and the first Iron Man, just nothing else up to this point really seemed interesting.
You have to make the call yourself, but the various sub-franchises DO have their own flavor. I REALLY liked Guardians of the Galaxy (both) a lot, and the Thor movies have their charm. They hit a stride about halfway through of really balancing the nerd with the fun. I HATE HATE HATE that snarky "Hasta la vista, baby!" snarky action picture stuff, and the Marvel universe has, in my humble opinion, walked that line beautifully. They ARE funny but they have a knack for being serious when they need to be serious. I don't recall Thor cracking wise when his limbs were being ripped from their sockets while he harnessed the power of the star to fuel the furnace.
Eitri: You understand, boy? You're about to take the full force of a star. It'll kill you.
Thor: Only if I die. [He takes deep breaths.]
Eitri: [Boggled] Yes. That's what... "killing you" means.
:-*
But I mostly agree. Marvel, to me, goes a LITTLE too far on the comedy some times, but usually keeps a brilliant balance.
That was before he flew off and did his magic, no? The better example is Thor, I think Ragnarok. There were scenes of "comedy", that were funny (mainly, Norse-God-out-of-water jokes) but the battle scenes were these epic fights set to The Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin. Friggin' OPTIMAL.
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Other than some 90s jokes from Captain Marvel that I could totally relate to, I've found almost all the comedy in these movies to be borderline cringe. Kind of the same with the latest Star Wars. It's probably a lot more enjoyable type of comedy for children.
So, we're all children?
IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK?
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So we watched the first Avengers last night. I think I'm checking out. I don't get it. Maybe because I never was into the comics, but I find the movie to be fairly boring and completely uninteresting from a plot and character development standpoint. Oh well, I tried.
I can’t comprehend this.
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So we watched the first Avengers last night. I think I'm checking out. I don't get it. Maybe because I never was into the comics, but I find the movie to be fairly boring and completely uninteresting from a plot and character development standpoint. Oh well, I tried.
I can’t comprehend this.
I was going to say something similar.
To be honest, I skipped the early Marvel films just because I was always only lukewarm on comic book movies in general. But I loved Joss Whedon’s work in Firefly and knew that he had a way of giving all characters an equal emotional impact in an ensemble situation, and he didn’t disappoint.
In fact, The Avengers was such a well told story, and such a well made action film, that it single handedly changed the way I view a comic book films. It wasn’t until I saw Avengers that I went back to give the other MCU films a chance. It’s such a complete game changer that it’s hard to imagine it not being accepted as just a fantastic action film in its own right. It’s basically the action and SFX equivalent of Jurassic Park, but with much better story telling, dialogue, and acting.
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I knew NOTHING about Marvel back in 2012. I loved Firefly and only went to see Avengers (2012) as Joss was directing. I thought it was great.
Anyway my local cinema is opening back up soon and i'm in the mood for a big blockbuster. Might go see whatever MARVEL is on. I think it's 10 rings ?
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I knew NOTHING about Marvel back in 2012. I loved Firefly and only went to see Avengers (2012) as Joss was directing. I thought it was great.
Anyway my local cinema is opening back up soon and i'm in the mood for a big blockbuster. Might go see whatever MARVEL is on. I think it's 10 rings ?
Yes. Although I think I might wait a week. I’m still a bit squirrly about going to a crowded theater. Many theaters have removed the spacing restrictions, which I think is a TERRIBLE idea….so I want to wait until the initial rush dies down.
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I knew NOTHING about Marvel back in 2012. I loved Firefly and only went to see Avengers (2012) as Joss was directing. I thought it was great.
Anyway my local cinema is opening back up soon and i'm in the mood for a big blockbuster. Might go see whatever MARVEL is on. I think it's 10 rings ?
Yes. Although I think I might wait a week. I’m still a bit squirrly about going to a crowded theater. Many theaters have removed the spacing restrictions, which I think is a TERRIBLE idea….so I want to wait until the initial rush dies down.
Theatres here still block off a 'bubble' of seats around what you purchase, almost like a Tic/Tac/Toe board. We've got the centre square, and the rest of the board is blockd off. Here's how it works - OO is my / jingle.son seats; X's are blocked off; _ is a potential occupied seat
_XXXX_
XXOOXX
_XXXX_
So, for my two tickets, 14 seats are used - 2 for me; 12 blocked off for distancing.
Seeing a movie now will never be more comfortable and safe.
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I’m not sure if the governor‘s new mandate will change it, but when we went to go see black widow they were just leaving one space between seats and that’s it. Then we heard a couple weeks later that they had lifted even that restriction.
But we are in Washington and the governor just put some very strict mandates into affect. So I will have to check and see if that changed anything with movie theaters.
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Cinemas here are still doing spacing...
Funny thing though - back when TENET first came out I went to see it in the nice big cinema an hours drive away to enjoy it as much as possible.
I got the biggest screen to myself :biggrin: :biggrin:
That's the best way to see a new Chris Nolan film.
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So Shang-Chi is sitting on an impressive 92% on RT. That means all 25 MCU movies have a positive rating (60% or above), that's a pretty crazy really.
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I’m not sure if the governor‘s new mandate will change it, but when we went to go see black widow they were just leaving one space between seats and that’s it. Then we heard a couple weeks later that they had lifted even that restriction.
But we are in Washington and the governor just put some very strict mandates into affect. So I will have to check and see if that changed anything with movie theaters.
I saw Black Widow on the Sunday after release, at 11am, on a new/yet to be known theater and it was mostly empty (at most 20 people in the entire theater). I am expecting to do the same for Shang Chi. So far it shows that only 4 seats have been sold for Sunday at 11:30. I'll wait until that Saturday and make a decision then but you can always try that. Usually early Sunday shows are pretty empty.
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So Shang-Chi is sitting on an impressive 92% on RT. That means all 25 MCU movies have a positive rating (60% or above), that's a pretty crazy really.
Even Iron Man 2 is watchable. When Lockdown 1 happened I watched all of the MCU movies on Disney+ . One a night.
IM2 wasn't as bad as I remember. At least when you compare it to rubbish like Man Of Steel or Batman V Superman or Justice League.
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So Shang-Chi is sitting on an impressive 92% on RT. That means all 25 MCU movies have a positive rating (60% or above), that's a pretty crazy really.
Even Iron Man 2 is watchable. When Lockdown 1 happened I watched all of the MCU movies on Disney+ . One a night.
IM2 wasn't as bad as I remember. At least when you compare it to rubbish like Man Of Steel or Batman V Superman or Justice League.
Batman v. Superman > Iron Man 2
I liked both, don't get me wrong, but I preferred BvS. That fight scene (Batman right before he saved Mrs. Kent) is still my favorite fight scene in any superhero movie ever (though the Thor fights scenes set to Led Zeppelin are close).
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Batman v. Superman > Iron Man 2
I mean, I guess someone had to feel that way.
Growing up, I definitely liked the characters of Batman and Superman better than Iron Man. But I thought Batman v Superman was complete trash. I cannot fathom liking any Marvel film less than that.
Have you had a chance to see the Snyder cut of Justice League?
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Batman v. Superman > Iron Man 2
Oh God no.
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Bit of a non sequiter but I think the best DCEU film was the first Wonder Woman.
But apparently WW84 is rubbish ? I was looking forward to it but then it had terrible reviews. Oh well.
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So Shang-Chi is sitting on an impressive 92% on RT. That means all 25 MCU movies have a positive rating (60% or above), that's a pretty crazy really.
Even Iron Man 2 is watchable. When Lockdown 1 happened I watched all of the MCU movies on Disney+ . One a night.
IM2 wasn't as bad as I remember. At least when you compare it to rubbish like Man Of Steel or Batman V Superman or Justice League.
Batman v. Superman > Iron Man 2
I liked both, don't get me wrong, but I preferred BvS. That fight scene (Batman right before he saved Mrs. Kent) is still my favorite fight scene in any superhero movie ever (though the Thor fights scenes set to Led Zeppelin are close).
Funny... jingle.son and I were just talking about the Batman movies yesterday, and I commented how this is indeed a great fight scene. But it's so out of character for Batman. It's like Snyder knew NOTHING about the characters in making that movie, all the while the studio simply trying to replicate the Marvel formula for success.
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Fun Fact. It was Superhero theme day at work and I found a MARVEL T shirt for £3 in a charity shop. Better than wearing my uniform for a day!
But one guy arrived in the full batman outfit. And he had NO IDEA who Bruce Wayne was and has never seen a batman film or TV episode in his life.
:lolpalm: How do you never see at least one Batman film? Or not know who Bruce Wayne is ?!
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Fun Fact. It was Superhero theme day at work and I found a MARVEL T shirt for £3 in a charity shop. Better than wearing my uniform for a day!
But one guy arrived in the full batman outfit. And he had NO IDEA who Bruce Wayne was and has never seen a batman film or TV episode in his life.
:lolpalm: How do you never see at least one Batman film? Or not know who Bruce Wayne is ?!
Are you sure he wasn't just pretending to be Batman so hard that he denied he was Bruce Wayne? :lol
-Marc.
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Batman v. Superman > Iron Man 2
I mean, I guess someone had to feel that way.
Growing up, I definitely liked the characters of Batman and Superman better than Iron Man. But I thought Batman v Superman was complete trash. I cannot fathom liking any Marvel film less than that.
Have you had a chance to see the Snyder cut of Justice League?
Not yet.
It's weird; I was absolutely a DC kid growing up. I subscribed to Green Lantern, Flash and Brave And The Bold. I generally don't care for the presentation of the DC characters in the movies; they always seemed to be too rooted in the '30s (naive), or the '60s (camp) which isn't the period I really liked (I liked that '70s/'80's vibe). I much prefer the MCU in total even though Dr. Strange (in retrospect) and Fantastic Four (to which I subscribed as well) are the only ones I paid attention to in real time.
But having said that, I liked Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill as Batman/Superman, and while the movie had problems (I still don't get that whole desert scene) I thought there were high points that made it a very enjoyable film for me. I LIKE that sort of "miserable" Batman, that sort of almost-on-the-spectrum dedication of Batman to his obsession. And it's specifically against IM2; I'm not a Gwyneth Paltrow fan, so when she's on screen, I yawn, and while I like Mickey Rourke a LOT, he was an odd one and done in this film.
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Fun Fact. It was Superhero theme day at work and I found a MARVEL T shirt for £3 in a charity shop. Better than wearing my uniform for a day!
But one guy arrived in the full batman outfit. And he had NO IDEA who Bruce Wayne was and has never seen a batman film or TV episode in his life.
:lolpalm: How do you never see at least one Batman film? Or not know who Bruce Wayne is ?!
Maybe he was just a fan of Only Fools and Horses.
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Batman v. Superman > Iron Man 2
I mean, I guess someone had to feel that way.
Growing up, I definitely liked the characters of Batman and Superman better than Iron Man. But I thought Batman v Superman was complete trash. I cannot fathom liking any Marvel film less than that.
Have you had a chance to see the Snyder cut of Justice League?
Not yet.
It's weird; I was absolutely a DC kid growing up. I subscribed to Green Lantern, Flash and Brave And The Bold. I generally don't care for the presentation of the DC characters in the movies; they always seemed to be too rooted in the '30s (naive), or the '60s (camp) which isn't the period I really liked (I liked that '70s/'80's vibe). I much prefer the MCU in total even though Dr. Strange (in retrospect) and Fantastic Four (to which I subscribed as well) are the only ones I paid attention to in real time.
But having said that, I liked Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill as Batman/Superman, and while the movie had problems (I still don't get that whole desert scene) I thought there were high points that made it a very enjoyable film for me. I LIKE that sort of "miserable" Batman, that sort of almost-on-the-spectrum dedication of Batman to his obsession. And it's specifically against IM2; I'm not a Gwyneth Paltrow fan, so when she's on screen, I yawn, and while I like Mickey Rourke a LOT, he was an odd one and done in this film.
I also liked the 70s/80s era of DC. I loved Brave & The Bold! Recently at a con here in Raleigh, I tracked down a couple of DC Blue Ribbon Digests. Do you remember those?
I also like Affleck as Batman and Cavill as Supes. Probably my favorite actors in those roles. But I still hated that movie. Snyder treated all of those characters and ideas with very little respect. However, I admit that the Snyder Cut of JL is better than the theatrical release (although still not as good a film as, say, Wonder Woman).
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I do remember! I might even have a couple downstairs (though sadly most of my comics are not in good condition).
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I always loved the Blue Ribbon Digest - Year's Best Comic Stories editions, which would collect the 10 most acclaimed single issue DC stories of the year. They did that from I guess the mid 70s to the early 80s. Great stuff.
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What, what's going on? Sorry, I fell asleep when someone said "DC."
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Sorry, boss.
Until J. Jonah Jameson proclaims the virtues of Spider-Man, MAKE MINE MARVEL! 'Nuff Said.
Excelsior!
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It's ok, the DC conversation will go away by tomorrow when we have some new stuff to talk about.
Growing up in the 90s, I did enjoyed DC stuff more than Marvel back then. At least comics and cartoons.
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I read a quote recently from Kevin Feige where he basically said they're going to slowly build up again to the big "New Avengers" movie...
Which is great. I was worried they'd try to do a DC and introduce maybe one or two new characters then do the ensemble immediately.
Plus they probably saw that didn't work at all for DC.
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I read a quote recently from Kevin Feige where he basically said they're going to slowly build up again to the big "New Avengers" movie...
Which is great. I was worried they'd try to do a DC and introduce maybe one or two new characters then do the ensemble immediately.
Plus they probably saw that didn't work at all for DC.
Well, even if they tried that, they would make it work better than DC.
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Four new dates for MCU films in 2024 have been announced, leaving us with 7 untitled MCU films from the rest of 2023 and all of 2024.
July 28th, 2023
October 6th, 2023
November 10th, 2023
February 16th, 2024
May 3rd, 2024
July 26th, 2024
November 8th, 2024
So far, there are 5 films without release dates yet - Blade, Fantastic Four, Deadpool 3, Captain America 4, and a Mutant-centric film. I suspect 2024 will see a Shang-Chi sequel, and the seventh film will be a team-uo/crossover film, probably the May 2024 release date.
The film on November 8th 2024 will be the 40th MCU film, in under 17 years.
-Marc.
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Hawkeye trailer just dropped....
https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk (https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk)
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Hawkeye trailer just dropped....
https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk (https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk)
YES!
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Hawkeye trailer just dropped....
https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk (https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk)
Oh this looks GOOD. And Hailee Steinfeld is going to be fantastic! I'm enjoying their dynamic in just this trailer alone! The part that has me most curious is ROGERS the Musical. :lol
-Marc.
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Hawkeye trailer just dropped....
https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk (https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk)
Oh this looks GOOD. And Hailee Steinfeld is going to be fantastic! I'm enjoying their dynamic in just this trailer alone! The part that has me most curious is ROGERS the Musical. :lol
-Marc.
That was the first thing that caught my eye!
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I really dig the tone. Has kind of an 80's/90's buddy cop vibe.
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It's Die Hard 3 Marvel Style. I like it!
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Well, this looks fun
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Hawkeye trailer just dropped....
https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk (https://youtu.be/5VYb3B1ETlk)
:metal
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Rogers: The Musical! :lol
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Tickets are already on sale for Eternals. Hype initiated, going to try and catch it opening weekend.
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On Disney+, they've posted a 14-minute video recapping the four shows they've released so far (with some clever segues), a new peek at Hawkeye, and teasers for Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel (now coming out next Summer), and titles for future series (some we knew, some we didn't, some with updated title cards).
-Marc.
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On Disney+, they've posted a 14-minute video recapping the four shows they've released so far (with some clever segues), a new peek at Hawkeye, and teasers for Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel (now coming out next Summer), and titles for future series (some we knew, some we didn't, some with updated title cards).
-Marc.
just watched it with jingle.son. Cool looking shit.
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On Disney+, they've posted a 14-minute video recapping the four shows they've released so far (with some clever segues), a new peek at Hawkeye, and teasers for Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel (now coming out next Summer), and titles for future series (some we knew, some we didn't, some with updated title cards).
-Marc.
Nice!
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I know i have no stake in it or anything and I don't have to watch - but I wish that Endgame was the end of that 'universe'...
I wish that 'phase 4' was just phase 1 of a completely new story with all new characters.
But they can still do MCU stand alone movies too.
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I know i have no stake in it or anything and I don't have to watch - but I wish that Endgame was the end of that 'universe'...
I wish that 'phase 4' was just phase 1 of a completely new story with all new characters.
But they can still do MCU stand alone movies too.
In a way, I agree with this. It is certainly how I felt right after Endgame even if there were still some loose ends.
But I am also excited to see what they are going to do with the new movies. So far, the last two movies have opened up the universe so much and then we have Spiderman, Dr. Strange and Ant Man to make things even more interesting(Confusing?).
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I know i have no stake in it or anything and I don't have to watch - but I wish that Endgame was the end of that 'universe'...
I wish that 'phase 4' was just phase 1 of a completely new story with all new characters.
But they can still do MCU stand alone movies too.
Hard disagree. They built this great universe with all these awesome characters. . . .but they're just going to toss that all out? Seems silly to me. They are, of course, introducing lots of new characters. Why limit those characters from interacting with the greater universe?
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I know i have no stake in it or anything and I don't have to watch - but I wish that Endgame was the end of that 'universe'...
I wish that 'phase 4' was just phase 1 of a completely new story with all new characters.
But they can still do MCU stand alone movies too.
Hard disagree. They built this great universe with all these awesome characters. . . .but they're just going to toss that all out? Seems silly to me. They are, of course, introducing lots of new characters. Why limit those characters from interacting with the greater universe?
Same. WAY too much work doing something that had never before been done in films to just toss it aside.
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Movies as the medium or story telling can't be reasonably compared to comic books. There are hundreds of different "universes" in comic books (maybe more). I don't think the cinema platform would lend itself too favorably in trying to run multiple different streams of 'universes' in the same way.
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So the Eternals are the new Avengers? But the surviving Avengers can drop in and say hi ?
Who's the next big bad ? How do you go bigger and badder than Thanos ?
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So the Eternals are the new Avengers?
No.
But the surviving Avengers can drop in and say hi ?
??? I guess. Not sure what this means or why it matters.
Who's the next big bad ?
Dunno yet. Why does it matter?
How do you go bigger and badder than Thanos ?
Dunno yet. Why does it matter?
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Honestly, I don't think there will be a "Big Bad" a la Thanos to work toward in Phase 4. Because, at this point, they can't realistically top Infinity War/Endgame, and Feige knows that.
Hence, more concepts to adapt to, rather than hostile personalities. The multiverse, extradimensional beings, etc.
Then, maybe in Phase 5, bring on Galactus.
Then have the next host of Celestials visit for judgement several years from now. That would definitely require an Endgame-style assemblage of powers to repel.
I don't know. Something like that. Meanwhile, smaller-scale heroes introduced, such as Moon Knight and She-Hulk.
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So I haven't come back here since I wrote how Avengers the the MCU aren't really my thing. But my gf asked me to see Eternals and while I had little desire, I did the mice bf thing and went with her. I must say, I'm really not a fan of the movie theater experience anymore but that's for another thread. I'll just say the movie itself wasn't too bad though. I didn't need to see all the rest of the movies to understand what was going on either. Having said that, I have little desire to see the follow ups here. It still kind of falls into the "meh" category for my tastes.
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Honestly, I don't think there will be a "Big Bad" a la Thanos to work toward in Phase 4. Because, at this point, they can't realistically top Infinity War/Endgame, and Feige knows that.
Hence, more concepts to adapt to, rather than hostile personalities. The multiverse, extradimensional beings, etc.
Then, maybe in Phase 5, bring on Galactus.
Then have the next host of Celestials visit for judgement several years from now. That would definitely require an Endgame-style assemblage of powers to repel.
I don't know. Something like that. Meanwhile, smaller-scale heroes introduced, such as Moon Knight and She-Hulk.
Yeah. It took 10 years and 3 entire "phases" to get us to the fight with Thanos. It looks like things are moving toward another big climax at some point with Kang. And there definitely are other huge threats they could bring it. But I suspect that, kind of like what you hinted at, they will take their time. There may even be buildups to different threats at the same time. Maybe it'll all be great. Maybe it'll all flop. Maybe it'll be a mixed bag. Who knows?
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Quote from: Kotowboy on Today at 16:21:05
But the surviving Avengers can drop in and say hi ?
??? I guess. Not sure what this means or why it matters.
I'm shocked. ::) ::)
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Who knows?
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Who's the next big bad ?
Dunno yet. Why does it matter?
Quote from: Kotowboy on Today at 16:21:05
How do you go bigger and badder than Thanos ?
Dunno yet. Why does it matter?
Lets just ignore the fact its a thread ABOUT the MCU and if every question was answered with WHO KNOWS AND WHY DOES IT MATTER ?!?!?! ???
The thread would be 1 page long.
Secondly If I talked to other DTF members like this i'd get a warning.
But Kotow is right .
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If I talked to other DTF members like this i'd get a warning.
No you wouldn't.
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oh yeah just banned
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Try it and see
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Try it and see
No.
Why does it matter?
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Try it and see
No.
Why does it matter?
Banned
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Are we missing the green font again or is this really happening?
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Are we missing the green font again or is this really happening?
No. Why does it even matter?
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Are we missing the green font again or is this really happening?
Is what happening?
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Are we missing the green font again or is this really happening?
Is what happening?
“Are mommy and daddy fighting?”
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I'm so confused.
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Kids, go out in the yard and play! :)
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You only get banned for posting spam in a spam thread.
No, I'm still not over that.
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You only get banned for posting spam in a spam thread.
No, I'm still not over that.
Banned.
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You only get banned for posting spam in a spam thread.
No, I'm still not over that.
Banned.
Does it even matter?
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Is this a Fleetwood Mac thread?
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This thread has shattered my illusions of love. If only I knew how to pick up the pieces and go home.
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If only I knew how to pick up the pieces and go home.
(https://i.imgur.com/oUGl2G2.gif)
Or don't. I don't think it even matters.
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If only I knew how to pick up the pieces and go home.
(https://i.imgur.com/oUGl2G2.gif)
Or don't. I don't think it even matters.
It does to the Gold Dust Woman (the Mac song I was quoting). I'm not getting involved in any of the second hand news here; I'm going to go my own way.
:)
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Don't stop the chain of Fleetwood Mac puns, I'm hypnotized by them.
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Don't stop the chain of Fleetwood Mac puns, I'm hypnotized by them.
Why Does It Even Matter?
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Don't stop the chain of Fleetwood Mac puns, I'm hypnotized by them.
I can still hear you saying you would never break the chain.
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https://youtu.be/JfVOs4VSpmA
New trailer for No Way Home :hefdaddy
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https://youtu.be/JfVOs4VSpmA
New trailer for No Way Home :hefdaddy
The Sony Brasil edit of the trailer has a spoiler-y mistake in that it showed a bit too much of the villains-charging scene. If you look it up on Twitter, you'll know what I mean.
-Marc.
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https://youtu.be/JfVOs4VSpmA
New trailer for No Way Home :hefdaddy
The Sony Brasil edit of the trailer has a spoiler-y mistake in that it showed a bit too much of the villains-charging scene. If you look it up on Twitter, you'll know what I mean.
-Marc.
I looked it up on Twitter, but I don't see anything of what they are claiming it's "there".
EDIT: I SEE IT NOW!!! MAN!!!! :metal
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???
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I've started a NWH thread just so we can keep possible spoilers and leak talk out of this thread from here on out.
-Marc.
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???
One of the villains clearly takes a punch to the face from nothing. If I say much more, it'll get into spoiler territory if you (royal) haven't been following or heard of some of the leaks. I'm not sure it's a big spoiler, as I have to assume everyone knows it.
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https://youtu.be/JfVOs4VSpmA (https://youtu.be/JfVOs4VSpmA)
New trailer for No Way Home :hefdaddy
The Sony Brasil edit of the trailer has a spoiler-y mistake in that it showed a bit too much of the villains-charging scene. If you look it up on Twitter, you'll know what I mean.
-Marc.
For a minute there, I was wondering what the heck Toni Basil was doing editing trailers. I need more coffee this morning.
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I posted this in the Eternals thread, but then later decided that it was more suited for discussion here in the general MCU thread, so here’s a copy paste…
I keep hearing buzz about phase 4 being a downturn so far, and I feel like it’s grossly premature to say that.
I hardly count BW since it technically takes place in the phase 3 timeline. Shang-Chi (as I stated in that thread) is an incredible film that easily enters the top half (maybe top 6?) of the movies, and definitely improves with a 2nd viewing. And The Eternals isn’t going over that well, but most agree that it at least trying to be different. And most of the shows have been pretty successful with generally very positive feedback.
That’s really just 2 films...one excellent, one not so much. And 4 TV shows, with What If being the only one with fairly meh feedback.
So I’m not seeing this supposed drop in quality that some sites are buzzing on.
Even before Endgame, we had a share of movies that got very “meh” feedback. Black Panther and Captain Marvel leap immediately to mind. So I think the MCU is just moving forward with the pattern of keeping up a good over arching story, with some parts being wonderful and others just being averagely entertaining.
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Yeah, what, if any, the movies lack, the tv shows more than make up for. All three have been quality, and two fall in the outstanding area (WV and Loki). I totally agree on Shang Chi, and have a slightly higher opinion of Eternals, though do agree with some of the criticisms.
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Yeah, what, if any, the movies lack, the tv shows more than make up for. All three have been quality, and two fall in the outstanding area (WV and Loki). I totally agree on Shang Chi, and have a slightly higher opinion of Eternals, though do agree with some of the criticisms.
Can you bring up a good point that F&WS Was probably slightly less well received than the first two. Even though I personally only saw social issues and not political angles to the storyline, I’m not sure everyone else saw it that way. And sadly, I think political leanings tend to taint peoples opinion of the series. I don’t wanna get too deep into that idea outside of the P/R forum, but even removing all that muck, I thought Stan and Anthony had good chemistry and made a decent “buddy cop” show. Any faults in the story I personally chalk up to the much reported delays of the COVID outbreak, and the entire series being truncated because of that.
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Yeah, what, if any, the movies lack, the tv shows more than make up for. All three have been quality, and two fall in the outstanding area (WV and Loki). I totally agree on Shang Chi, and have a slightly higher opinion of Eternals, though do agree with some of the criticisms.
Can you bring up a good point that F&WS Was probably slightly less well received than the first two. Even though I personally only saw social issues and not political angles to the storyline, I’m not sure everyone else saw it that way. And sadly, I think political leanings tend to taint peoples opinion of the series. I don’t wanna get too deep into that idea outside of the P/R forum, but even removing all that muck, I thought Stan and Anthony had good chemistry and made a decent “buddy cop” show. Any faults in the story I personally chalk up to the much reported delays of the COVID outbreak, and the entire series being truncated because of that.
For me personally, I think the other two were just so, so outstanding, especially Wandavision. I loved the social issues, especially how the two sides were both battling great injustices. I think the social issues saved it from being just a fun buddy cop show. The scenes with Isaiah were some of the most powerful Marvel has done. Again, comparatively, for me, it was just a step below the other two shows.
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Yeah, what, if any, the movies lack, the tv shows more than make up for. All three have been quality, and two fall in the outstanding area (WV and Loki). I totally agree on Shang Chi, and have a slightly higher opinion of Eternals, though do agree with some of the criticisms.
Can you bring up a good point that F&WS Was probably slightly less well received than the first two. Even though I personally only saw social issues and not political angles to the storyline, I’m not sure everyone else saw it that way. And sadly, I think political leanings tend to taint peoples opinion of the series. I don’t wanna get too deep into that idea outside of the P/R forum, but even removing all that muck, I thought Stan and Anthony had good chemistry and made a decent “buddy cop” show. Any faults in the story I personally chalk up to the much reported delays of the COVID outbreak, and the entire series being truncated because of that.
Just want to point out that to many - not necessarily me, but many - "social issues" ARE "political issues" (and vice versa).
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Didn’t see it until this morning, but I just wanted to point out that I was using talk to text and the “can“ at the beginning of that post was a phantom addition.
It was just supposed to read “You bring up a good point…”
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I keep hearing buzz about phase 4 being a downturn so far, and I feel like it’s grossly premature to say that.
I hardly count BW since it technically takes place in the phase 3 timeline. Shang-Chi (as I stated in that thread) is an incredible film that easily enters the top half (maybe top 6?) of the movies, and definitely improves with a 2nd viewing. And The Eternals isn’t going over that well, but most agree that it at least trying to be different. And most of the shows have been pretty successful with generally very positive feedback.
That’s really just 2 films...one excellent, one not so much. And 4 TV shows, with What If being the only one with fairly meh feedback.
So I’m not seeing this supposed drop in quality that some sites are buzzing on.
No, it's 3 films. When BW takes place is irrelevant to what phase it is released in. The "phase" has to do with the release date, not the chronology. I don't see anyone arguing that Captain Marvel somehow isn't "phase 3" simply because it takes place chronologically before any of the other films (except the first part of Captain America). And the issue people are discussing isn't that part of the MCU chronology feels weak. It's that the releases after phase 3 have felt weak.
Personally, I kinda agree with you in saying that it is premature to say that "phase 3" feels weak. But I'm fine saying (and I agree) that "phase 3 so far feels weak. Just talking about the films (I thought the tv shows were all great, but feels weird rating them alongside films), I think it's legit to feel like there has been a big letdown from phase 3. But that said, I'm also going to defend them somewhat and point out that, even if we agree that there has been a big letdown, some of that likely has to do with the fact that we don't yet see where phase 4 is headed and are just kinda taking these stories more or less in isolation. If we go back to phase 1, Hulk, IM2, and Thor weren't that great either, in isolation, and that's half of phase 1. But the thing is, we know in retrospect where they were headed. And, even at the time, I think people were so giddy over the inevitable Avengers teamup that we were willing to excuse a lot more. I know that was true for me. For phase 4, we don't know where we're going. We don't know how (or whether) these films are integral to a bigger narrative that is going to be fulfilling and exciting. "Phase 4" may end up being great in retrospect when we have more context for the entire thing.
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When I’m watching the MCU movies in order, I always watch CM after The First Avenger and before Iron Man, but I guess most people view it as a phase 3 film, so I guess I’ll concede that point. Maybe it would just be more accurate to state that we only have 2 films that wholly deal with the story phase 4 is setting up.
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I view Captain Marvel as a spiritual Phase 1 film.
Partially because it feels that way and makes the most sense, and partially cause it causes Bosk to grunt a little. :biggrin:
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I view Captain Marvel as a spiritual Phase 1 film.
Partially because it feels that way and makes the most sense, and partially cause it causes Bosk to grunt a little. :biggrin:
Whew…I thought it was just me. :rollin :rollin
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Black Widow was underwhelming to me. Shang Chi was awesome. I have not seen Eternals yet.
After the big culmination of everything in Endgame, we're back to individual films, like at the beginning of the MCU. We're used to seeing heroes cross over and show up in everyone else's films, or have big, giant Avengers spectacle films and that's not going to happen again for a while.
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Phase 4 for me so far:
Black Widow was OK at best. Bottom tier.
Shang-Chi was hella fun. Not sure where to place it, but definitely upper half, maybe upper quarter.
Eternals was huge and awesome, but a little cold. Upper half for sure.
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Phase 4 for me so far:
Black Widow was OK at best. Bottom tier.
Shang-Chi was hella fun. Not sure where to place it, but definitely upper half, maybe upper quarter.
Eternals was huge and awesome, but a little cold. Upper half for sure.
As Blob stated, Hef is right on all things. ^This is a validates the accuracy of saidstatement.
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I'll play:
-Black Widow: There just wasn't a "need" for this film. She is (was) a fantastic supporting character, and even in her own film, didn't seem like she was necessarily the biggest focal point and the one driving the film rather than just, again, being a really great supporting character. But that said, and despite justifiable angst over how taskmaster was used and developed, I liked it a lot. I would put it somewhere in the middle of the pack.
-Shang Chi: I liked it better on second viewing. But as I have said a couple of times in the Shang Chi thread, it felt like once they introduced Trevor, which was awesome, the film seemed to tread water and not go anywhere interesting, and kind of felt like its only goal was to give an incredible visual spectacle. The characters and the plot just seemed to go off into "not very interesting" territory after that point. I liked it, but felt disappointed and thought that the seeds were there for them to do something truly incredible that never really materialized.
-Eternals: Hated it. Worst MCU entry by far and the first time I felt like an MCU film doesn't belong and isn't anywhere near up to Marvel standards.
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I don't know if Phase 4 is necessarily bad or if it's just my lack of interest in the movies so far going into them:
Black Widow - Possibly the weakest MCU movie so far. I don't necessarily think it was bad but this felt maybe 10 years overdue and everything about it just felt Marvel by the numbers. Generic CGI action sequences and I was rolling my eyes at how much damage Black Widow could take (as a human) without showing any signs of being hurt.
Shang Chi - Enjoyable but pretty generic, felt a bit like Black Panther 2.0 but with the asian vibe instead of african. Better than Black Widow but would still probably be in the lower half of my MCU rankings. (Probably closer to the middle than bottom)
Eternals - Has some flaws but the best out of the 3 just because it tries to do some new things and it's not as heavy on the MCU formula as the other two. At least throws some interesting moral questions into the mix about whether the Eternals should interfere or not, and while it wasn't a homerun it was enjoyable I thought. In my overall ratings I think this would be in the upper half of MCU but closer to the middle than the top.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, the early films were like listening to the Beatles, the Stones and The Beach Boys. All the big names: Thor, Iron Man, The Hulk. I only know Black Widow from the earlier movies, not the comics, and I never heard of the titular characters of the current phase. Doesn't mean I won't go see them, but that may account for SOME of the perceived drop. Those earlier characters are iconic for a reason.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, the early films were like listening to the Beatles, the Stones and The Beach Boys. All the big names: Thor, Iron Man, The Hulk. I only know Black Widow from the earlier movies, not the comics, and I never heard of the titular characters of the current phase. Doesn't mean I won't go see them, but that may account for SOME of the perceived drop. Those earlier characters are iconic for a reason.
I think if it were only a matter of box office, sure. And keep in mind for a lot of people Iron Man, Thor, etc are not The Beatles or Stones. Spider-Man, X-Men and so forth were MUCH more popular before the movies.
But, as someone who is very familiar with Eternals, Black Widow, and most of the rest from the comics, I can't agree that played a huge role. Guardians was super obscure for non-comic fans and that movie did gang busters. Why? Had a good script (even if I didn't love the bad guy at all and had problems with it). I am not super familiar with Shang Chi from the comics but that movie was more praised than even Black Widow. Eternals just had a mess of a script that needed a stronger re-write that focused it a lot more. It being unfamiliar I doubt hindered it a ton. At this point, people go see MCU movie #25 rather than the actual title.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, the early films were like listening to the Beatles, the Stones and The Beach Boys. All the big names: Thor, Iron Man, The Hulk. I only know Black Widow from the earlier movies, not the comics, and I never heard of the titular characters of the current phase. Doesn't mean I won't go see them, but that may account for SOME of the perceived drop. Those earlier characters are iconic for a reason.
I think if it were only a matter of box office, sure. And keep in mind for a lot of people Iron Man, Thor, etc are not The Beatles or Stones. Spider-Man, X-Men and so forth were MUCH more popular before the movies.
But, as someone who is very familiar with Eternals, Black Widow, and most of the rest from the comics, I can't agree that played a huge role. Guardians was super obscure for non-comic fans and that movie did gang busters. Why? Had a good script (even if I didn't love the bad guy at all and had problems with it). I am not super familiar with Shang Chi from the comics but that movie was more praised than even Black Widow. Eternals just had a mess of a script that needed a stronger re-write that focused it a lot more. It being unfamiliar I doubt hindered it a ton. At this point, people go see MCU movie #25 rather than the actual title.
You're right; I WILL see The Eternals even though I've never heard of them.
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God damn right!
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I guess first of all, who am I to question the moneymaking machine that is the MCU? They make ton of money and they will keep doing so. But I think they used to do a better job of sprinkling in new properties in between the bigger more established ones. We're now down to the C-tier of heroes and even though we could get a Shang Chi or Black Widow movie that's top tier Marvel, I think as far as the hype going into them, it's not really names that make you go "oh boy I can't wait for that". But we're now getting sequels to Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, Thor and Black Panther so I think hype might go up a bit. Credits to them for having the balls of starting this phase with the more unknown stuff though.
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My guess is that once they've pulled in X-Men, Deadpool and the Fantastic Four, Shang-Chi and Eternals will be more like "and-those-other-guys". But who knows at this point.
I'm interested to see how they'll avoid the MCU becoming bogged down with tons of almost-arbitrary characters from this point on. But hey, I trust that the most successful film makers in the world have got it covered. ;D
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My guess is that once they've pulled in X-Men, Deadpool and the Fantastic Four, Shang-Chi and Eternals will be more like "and-those-other-guys". But who knows at this point.
I'm interested to see how they'll avoid the MCU becoming bogged down with tons of almost-arbitrary characters from this point on. But hey, I trust that the most successful film makers in the world have got it covered. ;D
The comic universes seemed to handle it ok. I mean, it is based on the comics, and the comics, while sometimes poignant and even powerful, are usually overblown dramatics, heroics, and downright silly at times. Physics and laws of reality are things for posers who don't dare to dream. As they expand the MCU, I fully expect to see more and more of this level of productions, and I'm all in for it.
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My guess is that once they've pulled in X-Men, Deadpool and the Fantastic Four, Shang-Chi and Eternals will be more like "and-those-other-guys". But who knows at this point.
I'm interested to see how they'll avoid the MCU becoming bogged down with tons of almost-arbitrary characters from this point on. But hey, I trust that the most successful film makers in the world have got it covered. ;D
The comic universes seemed to handle it ok. I mean, it is based on the comics, and the comics, while sometimes poignant and even powerful, are usually overblown dramatics, heroics, and downright silly at times. Physics and laws of reality are things for posers who don't dare to dream. As they expand the MCU, I fully expect to see more and more of this level of productions, and I'm all in for it.
HAHAHA! I love that! :)
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:tup
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I'll throw in my thoughts on the Phase 4 Films so far...
Black Widow: A fairly entertaining action spectacle, but beyond the stunts and explosions, the plot is a bit thin. The film is mostly saved by Yelena Belova and a bit by Red Guardian, but everything and everyone else is simply "meh" for me. In my current MCU ranking, it sits at 24th place between Thor 1 and The Incredible Hulk. Like others have said, it's a bit "too little, too late" for me, though if you view it as an origin story for Yelena and possibly taking up the mantle of the MCU's (main) Black Widow, then it gets a bit better. Definitely the worst comic-to-film villain adaptation of the MCU so far, even including all of Iron Man's villains.
Shang-Chi And The Legend Of The Ten Rings: Loved it. Loved seeing Asian-American rep in the MCU more, loved the bits of connective tissues within the MCU, calling back the Ten Rings from previous films, Trevor Slattery, Wong, Abomination, and also introducing us to a new corner of the MCU with new characters and destinations, though the third act falls a bit into the typical CGI-fest big battle that MCU films are known for at the end of their films, but the story of Wenwu and his family are at the core of the film, and Tony Leung really steals the film for me. Shang-Chi is currently 9th in my MCU ranking right now, just below The First Avengers and above Black Panther, two other really good origin story films.
Eternals: I had some high hopes going into this one, and for the most part, they were reached, but with such a large cast, I knew the film wasn't going to give us what we wanted as far as proper character development. The film would have had to have been at LEAST three hours to really do the characters justice, but I enjoyed what we got of all of them. It's such a shame that Dane, Ajak, Phastos, and Makkari were fairly overlooked as I wanted to really know more about all of them. I'm hoping a sequel film (or Disney+ series) will expand upon these characters, but its not the worst MCu film for me. Eternals sits at 18th place for me, just below Ant-Man and just above Iron Man 2. I enjoyed the very artful direction and production, and the song used at the opening credits really put a smile on my face. Sitting at 18th means I liked it more than 8 other films in the MCU.
Looking forward, we've got Spider-Man: No Way Home, which is honestly my most anticipated film of 2021. I know a lot has been leaked and rumored about it and some folks' expectations may not be met, but I am anxiously awaiting to see it either way.
Then we have a LONG wait of 4.5 month til May 6th and Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness, which promises to introduce some exciting elements and characters, as well as revisiting Wanda Maximoff for the first time since earlier this year, so it'll be interesting to see where she's been and what she's been doing since the end of her series. I am sure this one will blow folks away, especially with Sam Raimi at the helm.
Then in July 2022 is Thor: Love And Thunder, and as a HUGE fan of Ragnarok and the Guardians films, I am eager to see what Waititi will do with these characters, though depending on how folks feel about Natalie Portman/Jane Foster, they may or may not enjoy this one. I am curious about how Christian Bale will play Gor the God Butcher, and just how comic accurate he'll be in the film. They did a good job with Hela, so I'm hoping this next villain will be just as menacing.
And the last film of 2022 will be Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, and this is the one of the three films in 2022 that I am the most worried for, not just because T'Challa won't be in it, but I'm just wondering what they'll do with the film and the characters. Losing Chadwick was devastating, though I'm sure they will honor him appropriately. Then of course, there's all of the stuff going on surrounding Letitia Wright, though I won't bring that up here. Hopefully this one will surprise us all and be just as big of a hit as Black Panther was in 2018.
Looking past 2022, 2023 has four films coming - The Marvels on Feb. 17th, GOTG Vol. 3 on May 5th, Ant-Man & The Wasp: Quantumania on July 28th, and an unknown fourth film on November 3rd - and 2024 also has four films (Feb. 16, May 3, July 26, and Nov 8). Of those five un-announced dates, we still have titles without release dates yet including Blade, Fantastic Four, Deadpool 3, Captain America 4, and a film about Mutants, which all sound VERY excited to me. But I'm noticing that, other than Shang-Chi and Eternals, we're not getting anything brand new to the silver screen. Everything known/announced so far is either a sequel or a reboot of another character/franchise that was previously done by another studio.
It seems like all of the new IPs are landing on Disney+, like Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, and Iron Heart, and I don't blame them. They're able to flesh these new characters out more with 5-6 hours of content, and then if they land well with audiences, there's always the chance they could jump to the big screen. Like imagine Moon Knight appearing in Blade, or She-Hulk showing up in Captain America 4. We already known Ms. Marvel and Photon/Monica Rambeau are showing up in The Marvels with Carol Danvers, so it's definitely possible that other Disney+ characters will move into the films, which I think was always the idea with these characters, since it didn't really happen before with other Marvel shows that were tentatively connected to the MCU (like Agents Of SHIELD and the Netflix shows).
The next three years are definitely packed tight with tons of new content, but I can definitely understand if some fans are beginning to feel fatigue at this point. With 3-5 shows and 3-4 films per year, it's a LOT to take in, and unless Marvel Studios/Disney can keep things fresh and interesting, fans may start to find other things to get into.
-Marc.
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To the very last sentence.... isn't that the whole point of doing things like Shang-Chi, and The Eternals? To keep things from getting stale, and just the same ole same ole. That's how I see it at least. It'd be lazy (imo), just to use the A-List heroes - I like that they're digging deep a little, and giving something unexpected and/or obscure.
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To the very last sentence.... isn't that the whole point of doing things like Shang-Chi, and The Eternals? To keep things from getting stale, and just the same ole same ole. That's how I see it at least. It'd be lazy (imo), just to use the A-List heroes - I like that they're digging deep a little, and giving something unexpected and/or obscure.
Oh I agree, and of the three films released so far, those two have been the better two IMO. I was just pointing out that the new characters are all on TV rather than on the big screen, which makes me wonder if that was planned or coincidental. Either way, it'll cost less to see more of these new characters than it would be to see them in theaters, so I'm glad it's working out this way. If the upcoming shows are as good, or better than what we've gotten so far, I might be inclined to say that MCU on Disney+ will exceed MCU on the silver screen, but they've got some long-awaited sequels and reboots coming. A bit of a win-win, I think, giving the big sequels the bigger budgets, but also giving fans more of the new characters on TV with 5-6 hours each for their shows.
-Marc.
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After Spiderman and Dr. Strange, none of the films, either with firm release dates, or just off in the future, interest me in the least. Some of the D+ shows look interesting. But film-wise, eh, I think I'm content to just say that the MCU's best days are clearly behind them. What a run it was! They built up to something amazing, and there's nothing wrong with them never reaching that peak again. Just, for me, I'm willing to consider it "over" and just enjoy what was rather than getting soured on what looks to be a huge nothing sandwich of future releases.
To Chad's point, that's a tough balance. The MCU has built a brand, and for better or worse, that brand has certain expectations built into it. After this long, if you don't change it up enough, some will lose interest because "same-old same-old"/"there's no growth." But deviate too far, change it up too much or too often, and you lose people who don't want change. There is probably a sweet spot in there where you maximize the number of people who stay happy (or minimize the number who don't). But where that is, who knows? If any of us had the answer, Disney would pay us a ton of money.
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To me, MCU is like a child growing. IW / Endgame is tantamount to my kids Christmas when they were 4 years old. That was the most magical Christmas for the jingle.family. Was that "peak" childhood, and all the best days were behind me at that point? No, it just got different. Some things better, some things worse. Some things harder, some things easier. That's kinda the way I'm looking at the evolution of the MCU. I don't know what the future holds, so I'm not holding them to any expectations - other than the expectation of being entertained.
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Bosk1, I don't understand your stance. These characters you do not know is a great way to see them for the 1st time. What better hands to see them in than to their Marvel universe? Their history should mean something.
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Bosk1, I don't understand your stance. These characters you do not know is a great way to see them for the 1st time. What better hands to see them in than to their Marvel universe? Their history should mean something.
Yeah, I hear you. And up until recently, I would have (and I have) said similar things. But we are now 3 movies into phase 4, and the track record is not good. As far as producing movies I personally would enjoy, they are on a VERY steep downhill trajectory after the end of phase 3. So, in short, while I would have almost blindly trusted the hands these films are in in the past, that trust no longer exists. I am still confident they can and will put out some good movies. But I am no longer confident that they would put out consistently good movies. And, honestly, it's okay that they will almost for sure never put out anything as good as the first three phases. That's fine. At the end of the day, they're just movies. And they gave me a lot of movies I really, really enjoy. I have no problem facing the fact that it'll probably never be anywhere even remotely close to that again. No problem at all.
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I feel that Black Widow is a movie the never got to in the original phases. That's on Marvel. The last 2 I've enjoyed immensely so I'mooking forward to see the story archline.
We are just at the origin so far.
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I wonder if the injury to Letitia Wright will hold back BPII's release? Seems it was a severe concussion and a bad shoulder break, putting off production till January at least.
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Ouch. Hope she's ok.
I'm looking forward to Spidey, Dr Strange, Thor and Guardians the most.
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I'm looking forward to all of it.
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I'm looking forward to all of it.
Same.
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I'm looking forward to all of it.
Same.
Ditto. The MCU is more like a TV series than a movie series. We hit a big season finale with Endgame, and now we're in the next season where things calm down for a bit.
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I'm looking forward to all of it.
Same.
Ditto. The MCU is more like a TV series than a movie series. We hit a big season finale with Endgame, and now we're in the next season where things calm down for a bit.
That’s a great way of putting it. I feel like we’re back to the next “setup”.
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Really wanted to see Spidey, but unfortunately theaters are closed as of now, for at least a month... I was ready to pay the Disney+ premium thing, but unfortunately Spidey is not on that service (probably because Sony owns the rights).
I wasn't feeling phase 4 thus far, but this one will at the very least be nostalgia overload.
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I got a question for everyone, or maybe a discussion... Is it just me or is everyone more vested in Spidey than any other superhero? I think it's a given that he's an overwhelming favorite, and based on audience reactions last night and in previous films, he definitely ilicits a huge emotional response from people.
Do you all think it's because we relate to the awkward teen so much more than any other hero's story?
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I got a question for everyone, or maybe a discussion... Is it just me or is everyone more vested in Spidey than any other superhero? I think it's a given that he's an overwhelming favorite, and based on audience reactions last night and in previous films, he definitely ilicits a huge emotional response from people.
Do you all think it's because we relate to the awkward teen so much more than any other hero's story?
Peter Parker was, is, and always will he very relatable to many demographics, and his lasting popularity is proof of that. He's had animated shows across nearly every decade over the last 50 years, TONS of merchandise, and is instantly recognizable. He is Marvel's most notable hero, which is why Sony hasn't given up on their rights to the characters under the Spider-Man umbrella. They know what they've got and since Tom's version has been so successful, I think they know to keep working with Marvel to produce cinema gold.
I'd say Spider-Man is up there with Superman and Batman in terms of hero popularity and recognition, which makes it all the funnier/weirder that Danny Elfman and Michael Giacchino will have scored films for both heroes as of next year (with The Batman coming in March). I actually made a chart that points out some fun connections between adaptations of Batman, Spider-Man and Doctor Strange:
Danny Elfman has score for all three heroes, as will Michael Giacchino; Sam Raimi has directed Spider-Man and Doctor Strange; Michael Keaton has been in both Batman and Spider-Man franchises, as has Tom Hardy (if you count Venom), and J.K. Simmons (if you count his turn as Commisioner Gordon in the DCEU).
-Marc.
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I can't speak for others but I grew up with Spider-Man and I was a subscriber of the comic books for maybe a decade, watched the animated show and played the video games. The movies came out at an important time and even though I'm 30 now, Spider-Man has just always stuck with me. I do think he's relatable because he faces a lot of every day issues many of us have - Spider-Man 2 (2004) being a great showcase of this how everything kinda piles on top of him but he keeps being a good inspirational figure and the 'with great power comes great responsibility' just resonates very well for me.
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I had a friend who collected Spider-Man, Iron Man, and Daredevil, so I was really familiar with those guys. I guess that means I'm not sure how familiar or unfamiliar any of them are to the average person. It always seemed like DC had the guys everyone knew - Superman and Batman - while Marvel had guys you may have heard of but that's about it. Well, other than Spider-Man, but that was because they'd tried twice already to set up movie series with them. When he wasn't around for a long time in the MCU, I thought it kinda made sense because he'd already been done twice, but then they managed to bring him in anyway, people weren't sick of the character, and they did the best version of him, too.
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So the MCU has had an unprecedented year of releases, with 4 Films and 5 Disney+ tv projects, it's the most content they'll ever put out in a single calendar year. How would you all rank them, for those of you who have seen them all? Granted, Hawkeye still has one more episode, so feel free to come back and rank that after the finale airs on Wednesday. As for the films, I'd say:
Spider-Man: No Way Home
Shang-Chi And The Legend Of The Ten Rings
Eternals
Black Widow
And for the shows:
Loki
WandaVision
Hawkeye
What If?
The Falcon And The Winter Soldier
Looking ahead, the most recent film-release shuffle means that we're only getting three films next year as The Marvels got pushed back into 2023. We've got Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness, Thor: Love And Thunder, and Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (which went from July 8th to November 11th, and given recent events, I'm glad they're getting an extra four months to work on the film). As far as Disney+ goes, we're getting four more series in Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Secret Invasion, and Ms. Marvel, as well as the I Am Groot mini-series, and the Guardians Of The Galaxy Holiday Special.
So we're getting sequels in the theaters, and new characters on Disney+, which is a bit of the opposite of what we had this past year, with some new characters in the theaters (Yelena in BW, and all of Shang-Chi and Eternals), but on Disney+ we follow-up on existing film characters (Wanda, Sam and Bucky, all three of which were standing together at the end of Endgame at Tony's funeral, as well as Loki and Hawkeye).
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Combining both...
Spiderman
Wandavision (and this is very close second, I can't express how much this show impressed me)
Loki
Shang Chi
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Falcon and the Winter Soldier
What If?
Eternals
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My new coworker I'm training in Amsterdam is very upset. He managed to get spiderman movie tickets and was going to go this week but the dutch went into full lockdown mode and now he can't go to the theater.
My gf back home couldn't get any theater tickets she said, at least not in the near future and is worried she'll be spoiled now.
I wonder if Disney will consider allowing this to be streamed sooner than later? I don't personally care. I am likely going to watch Shang Chi on my flight home, I started it on the way here but my sleeping pills took over.
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I wonder if Disney will consider allowing this to be streamed sooner than later?
Disney doesn't get a vote on that. It's a Sony film.
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I wonder if Disney will consider allowing this to be streamed sooner than later?
Disney doesn't get a vote on that. It's a Sony film.
It is still going on Disney+, if I recall correctly. It would be nice if Sony and Disney could work out a deal for it to go on D+ in countries where theaters are closed.
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I wonder if Disney will consider allowing this to be streamed sooner than later?
Disney doesn't get a vote on that. It's a Sony film.
It is still going on Disney+, if I recall correctly. It would be nice if Sony and Disney could work out a deal for it to go on D+ in countries where theaters are closed.
The Sony films will at some point be shared with Disney +, if memory serves, but I don't think that starts with this film.
I could be wrong.
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I wonder if Disney will consider allowing this to be streamed sooner than later?
Disney doesn't get a vote on that. It's a Sony film.
It is still going on Disney+, if I recall correctly. It would be nice if Sony and Disney could work out a deal for it to go on D+ in countries where theaters are closed.
The Sony films will at some point be shared with Disney +, if memory serves, but I don't think that starts with this film.
I could be wrong.
You're right. It doesn't start until films released in 2022 and they do go to Netflix for 18 months prior to coming to D+.
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Here's my ranking so far:
1. Wandavision: Incredibly creative AND emotional. Loved pretty much everything about this show.
2. Spiderman: I hesitate to put it this high, because it is still too new for me to not fanboy out and overlook things that may bug me about it later. But for now, it's definitely up here.
3. Loki: Better than I expected. I really liked it and am excited about where this (and the Kang saga) is going to go in the future.
4. Falcon and the Winter Soldier: Really nice blend of standard superhero action and deep dive into character background and psychology. Very well done overall. It's a shame that some of the occasional clunkiness was just a result of Covid.
5. Shang Chi: Really really good at times; flat at others. But not a bad addition to the MCU
6. Black Widow: The movie we really didn't need, but I love how threads of it are being picked up in other Marvel properties.
7. What If?: This is the point where I really stop caring about Marvel content. Mildly amusing at times, but not much more than that.
8. Eternals: Utter trash. I highly doubt I will ever watch again, unless necessary to be reminded of any threads that may become important later.
Hawkeye will likely be somewhere in my top 4, but I am not going to rank it until seeing the final episode.
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Totally agree on Wandavision..it'd be a top MCU product overall for me, just genius.
Black Widow was worth it if it only gave us Yelena...I just love that character.
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Totally agree on Wandavision..it'd be a top MCU product overall for me, just genius.
Black Widow was worth it if it only gave us Yelena...I just love that character.
Viewing BW as a vehicle to launch Yelena Belova into the MCU improves the film quite a bit for me.
I wonder if Disney will consider allowing this to be streamed sooner than later?
Disney doesn't get a vote on that. It's a Sony film.
It is still going on Disney+, if I recall correctly. It would be nice if Sony and Disney could work out a deal for it to go on D+ in countries where theaters are closed.
The Sony films will at some point be shared with Disney +, if memory serves, but I don't think that starts with this film.
I could be wrong.
You're right. It doesn't start until films released in 2022 and they do go to Netflix for 18 months prior to coming to D+.
Yeah so it's really unsure when Disney+ may get No Way Home, but they should get Homecoming and Far From Home at some point fairly soon, along with the other Spider-Man films and putting them under the Marvel Legacy Films (like the old Fox Marvel films are).
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Multiverse of Madness Trailer (ie, Spider Man end credits scene)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_UqUm38BI
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Multiverse of Madness Trailer (ie, Spider Man end credits scene)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_UqUm38BI
"Things just got out of hand" :corn Really excited for this
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Looks like the Dr. Strange What If episode is gonna be essential watching for those that may have skipped it.
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If any "What If?" episode comes to be considered "essential watching" for anything in the real MCU, I think that should be considered the death knell for the MCU.
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I think “essential” might be a slight overstatement.
If there’s one thing the MCU has done extremely well, it’s comic book storytelling. The type of storytelling where something can exist within its own story and it “asterisks” A story line from a different comic so that the references there if you wish to get a deeper understanding of what’s going on. But in the story at hand, there’s a very brief and truncated exposition so that anyone who doesn’t go to the asterisk side issue isn’t lost.
With the exception of IW and EG (which truly are must see’s), the MCU has always done this pretty brilliantly. I believe that will continue.
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At this point, I would consider anything Marvel releases essential to the overall story.
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So I noticed that, if you look closely at the mirror-dimension'd Marvel Studios logo in the trailer, it shows past versions of the MARVEL logo that have shown in front of Marvel movies, including ones that weren't part of the MCU, which *really* doesn't help the rumors that past non-MCU Marvel franchises might make some appearances in this film, including past versions of the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and who knows what else.
Can't wait for this one. Unless She-Hulk or Moon Knight drop sometime between now and May 6th, we're in for a 5.5 month MCU content drought until DSITMOM premieres.
-Marc.
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I saw a YT vlogger that showed some concept artwork of Strange being questioned by Prof X.
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I watched Shang Chi on my flight yesterday, one of the better Marvel movies IMO. I couldn't stand the gf character though, but I think it's the actress, I found her annoying in Crazy Rich Asians too.
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I watched Shang Chi on my flight yesterday, one of the better Marvel movies IMO. I couldn't stand the gf character though, but I think it's the actress, I found her annoying in Crazy Rich Asians too.
You mean Katy, right? They're just friends, as Katy would tell you, but yeah, I could see how some might not like Awkwafina. I thought she was fun/funny in her role as Katy, though!
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Huh weird. I never saw the crazy rich Asian movie, but I adored her in the 2nd Jumanji film. Her pretending to be Danny DeVito was a scream.
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Hot take: Other than Spider Man, the D+ MCU phase 4 shows are better than any of the MCU phase 4 films.
My daughter wanted to watch Engame, so we're sitting here watching it. And I'm just reminded of what a spectacular piece of work it is. In fact, a lot of phase 3 was just incredible. But for Infinity War and Endgame...anticipation was off the charts, the energy at the theaters was through the roof, and those two films absolutely lived up to all of that. They were magic. And that is never coming back. At least, not at that level. I know I've said this many, many times now, but kudos to Marvel studios for pulling off such an amazing run of films up to that point. I don't think anything can ever live up to that, and I'm grateful for the stories we got.
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Nothing hot about that take at all... The D+ shows have been good to outstanding, and I'd put Wandavision up against any of the MCU films from any phase.
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Yeah, I don't expect them to repeat that success.
But I do have the faith to wait and see what they do unfold over the next few years.
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Yeah, I would agree that the five Disney+ shows have been, on the whole, better than Marvel Studios' theatrical output this year.
Granted, the pandemic had shuffled things around A LOT since we were supposed to get Black Widow and Eternals in 2020 (with Shang-Chi and Spider-Man still in 2021, and Doctor Strange ITMOM originally in May 2021, BEFORE Spider-Man), as well as WandaVision and TFATWS also in 2020, so 2021 ended up becoming VERY packed with MCU Content.
I think things will be far better this year as far as the films go, with three fairly anticipated sequels coming up, and several new shows (some featuring new characters) on Disney+. Hopefully things get settled with Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, though, but I wouldn't be surprised if they swap it with another film, or just delay it. Apparently Ant-Man & The Wasp: Quantumania is already in post-production, while BP2 and The Marvels are still filming (and are set to come out before Quantumania).
-Marc.
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We just finished off Loki tonight. I think that might be the most interesting of the Disney+ series so far.
Did anyone else get Paula Abdul’s Straight Up Now Tell Me stuck in their head while watching the show?
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Looks like we're getting a first Moon Knight trailer this monday.
This is one of my top characters from the comics, and I will be the first to admit that I am very nervous about it being on Disney as opposed to a Netflix series, given how god damn brutal the character is. I just hope they do him justice and don't make it really funny.
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Looks like we're getting a first Moon Knight trailer this monday.
This is one of my top characters from the comics, and I will be the first to admit that I am very nervous about it being on Disney as opposed to a Netflix series, given how god damn brutal the character is. I just hope they do him justice and don't make it really funny.
Moon Knight is one of my favorites too, and while I do agree with you in general, I think if it was completely devoid of humor it would ultimately end up making it not fun to watch. Now I'm not saying make it a constant barrage of one-liners, but some humor (when used correctly) is always good, in my opinion.
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Some? Definitely. But that’s why I said “really funny”.
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Given the tone of the teaser we got last year of Moon Knight, along with that brief glimpse of him giving a beatdown on someone in a bathroom, I think we'll see something that is as dark and heavy as Disney+/Marvel will give us. If it's at least HALF as gritty as Daredevil, then I'll be happy. Either way, I think the strength of the show will be Oscar Isaac's acting.
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Looks like we're getting a first Moon Knight trailer this monday.
This is one of my top characters from the comics, and I will be the first to admit that I am very nervous about it being on Disney as opposed to a Netflix series, given how god damn brutal the character is. I just hope they do him justice and don't make it really funny.
Moon Knight is one of my favorites too, and while I do agree with you in general, I think if it was completely devoid of humor it would ultimately end up making it not fun to watch. Now I'm not saying make it a constant barrage of one-liners, but some humor (when used correctly) is always good, in my opinion.
Humor in these things is a delicate instrument. For the most part the Marvel Universe has got it right. Every once in a blue moon, particularly with Tony Stark, they overdo it, but on balance it's just right. I know these are superheroes, but I'm not generally a fan of the movies where the hero is putting on a Chris Rock standup routine while swinging planets in a slingshot. Some characters are able to get away with more than others; I think Spider-Man lends itself to a bit more humor than, say, Batman (I know I'm switching franchises). I honestly don't know this character, so I don't know where the line might be.
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Looks like we're getting a first Moon Knight trailer this monday.
This is one of my top characters from the comics, and I will be the first to admit that I am very nervous about it being on Disney as opposed to a Netflix series, given how god damn brutal the character is. I just hope they do him justice and don't make it really funny.
Moon Knight is one of my favorites too, and while I do agree with you in general, I think if it was completely devoid of humor it would ultimately end up making it not fun to watch. Now I'm not saying make it a constant barrage of one-liners, but some humor (when used correctly) is always good, in my opinion.
Humor in these things is a delicate instrument. For the most part the Marvel Universe has got it right. Every once in a blue moon, particularly with Tony Stark, they overdo it, but on balance it's just right. I know these are superheroes, but I'm not generally a fan of the movies where the hero is putting on a Chris Rock standup routine while swinging planets in a slingshot. Some characters are able to get away with more than others; I think Spider-Man lends itself to a bit more humor than, say, Batman (I know I'm switching franchises). I honestly don't know this character, so I don't know where the line might be.
I can’t stand Tony Stark’s schtick, but we just watched Ragnarok last night, and I find Thor genuinely hilarious.
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When animatronics go wrong. https://mobile.twitter.com/uptotask/status/1483170938241753088
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Looks like we're getting a first Moon Knight trailer this monday.
This is one of my top characters from the comics, and I will be the first to admit that I am very nervous about it being on Disney as opposed to a Netflix series, given how god damn brutal the character is. I just hope they do him justice and don't make it really funny.
Moon Knight is one of my favorites too, and while I do agree with you in general, I think if it was completely devoid of humor it would ultimately end up making it not fun to watch. Now I'm not saying make it a constant barrage of one-liners, but some humor (when used correctly) is always good, in my opinion.
Humor in these things is a delicate instrument. For the most part the Marvel Universe has got it right. Every once in a blue moon, particularly with Tony Stark, they overdo it, but on balance it's just right. I know these are superheroes, but I'm not generally a fan of the movies where the hero is putting on a Chris Rock standup routine while swinging planets in a slingshot. Some characters are able to get away with more than others; I think Spider-Man lends itself to a bit more humor than, say, Batman (I know I'm switching franchises). I honestly don't know this character, so I don't know where the line might be.
I can’t stand Tony Stark’s schtick, but we just watched Ragnarok last night, and I find Thor genuinely hilarious.
And I think you just nailed that fine line. I think Thor is handled perfectly. PERFECTLY. (Spider-Man too).
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When animatronics go wrong. https://mobile.twitter.com/uptotask/status/1483170938241753088
lol
I watched a video on that Spider-Man animatronic, and it was fascinating. But mishaps like that are why they have extra parts that can be switched out quickly.
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I watched the Titan scenes with Thanos vs. Avengers from Infinity War for the millionth time this morning. I really think those are my single favorite action scenes in the entire MCU. It's just the most batshit crazy thing to watch from the moment it starts, through Quill punching Thanos, to Strange fighting him. I would watch an entire documentary on how they choreographed and edited all of that.
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I'm still two movies behind but we're just about done with Hawkeye (2 episodes left) and this is far and away my favorite of the shows. So entertaining and hope we see a lot more of Kate Bishop in the future.
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Anyone interested in participating in a "Rank the MCU Title" thread like what Kev did with DT and is now doing with Rush? We would need to define exactly what the official MCU releases are - the 20-odd movies as well as TV and Disney streaming shows. Anyone up for it? I can coordinate it.
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I'd be interested. As for official releases...I'd definitely include...
All MCU Movies
All D+ shows
All Netflix Shows
Agents of Sheild/Agent Carter
Not sure if anything else falls in the blast radius.
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I'm interested as well, sounds fun. Maybe it will get me to rewatch some of the older movies
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I'd be interested. As for official releases...I'd definitely include...
All MCU Movies
All D+ shows
All Netflix Shows
Agents of Sheild/Agent Carter
Not sure if anything else falls in the blast radius.
Inhumans... but only because that deserves to be blasted into oblivion.
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I'd be interested. As for official releases...I'd definitely include...
All MCU Movies
All D+ shows
All Netflix Shows
Agents of Sheild/Agent Carter
Not sure if anything else falls in the blast radius.
Inhumans... but only because that deserves to be blasted into oblivion.
:lol
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I think I’ve mentioned this before, but I think it was about a year ago that I watched the Inhumans on D+ for the first time. And I was expecting this MST3K level dumpster fire that we could LOL at like Plan 9 from Outer Space or some thing. But with my expectations set THAT low, I actually found myself rather enjoying many aspects of it. I don’t think it’s as terrible as everybody says it is. But maybe it’s just because I went in expecting something so much worse.
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I'd be interested. As for official releases...I'd definitely include...
All MCU Movies
All D+ shows
All Netflix Shows
Agents of Sheild/Agent Carter
Not sure if anything else falls in the blast radius.
I'd be down, but how would you do the Netflix shows? Separate seasons or just as one show? Cause it'd be pretty hard to compare Daredevil season 1-3 to movies.
Also anyone else read that all Marvel shows are leaving Netflix in March?
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I'm not sure I would include the shows. It's hard to rank an entire season (or multiple seasons) of a show against a 2+ hour film.
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It could be 2 separate ranking for the shows and movies.
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It could be 2 separate ranking for the shows and movies.
Yea, I'd be down for an MCU films ranking and a TV show ranking.
It's hard with the TV shows to decide what to count. Is it just the Disney + stuff? Netflix stuff included? Agents of Shield? The Gifted? Inhumans?
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I'm not sure I would include the shows. It's hard to rank an entire season (or multiple seasons) of a show against a 2+ hour film.
Not really, just ask yourself, what's better, Daredevil as a series or The Eternals?
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In other news, gotta figure out what to binge before they pull all the Netflix stuff March 1st. Definitely have to do another run of DD, LC and Punisher. Maybe JJ S1 too. Such good material.
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In other news, gotta figure out what to binge before they pull all the Netflix stuff March 1st. Definitely have to do another run of DD, LC and Punisher. Maybe JJ S1 too. Such good material.
I wouldn't be surprised if they reappear on D+ or Hulu
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In other news, gotta figure out what to binge before they pull all the Netflix stuff March 1st. Definitely have to do another run of DD, LC and Punisher. Maybe JJ S1 too. Such good material.
I wouldn't be surprised if they reappear on D+ or Hulu
Oh I'm sure they will, Hulu I'd imagine since the material is a bit too dark for D+, but they'll give it some. Time, make sure we miss it.
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New Dr. Strange trailer in the Superb Owl ( :)) need to rewatch it, some interesting footage. This movie is going to be amazing!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b-6ph5og-UE
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Opening night IMAX guaranteed!
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I'd be interested. As for official releases...I'd definitely include...
All MCU Movies
All D+ shows
All Netflix Shows
Agents of Sheild/Agent Carter
Not sure if anything else falls in the blast radius.
Add Runaways and Cloak & Dagger.
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Marvel Netflix original shows and Agents of SHIELD last day on Netflix February 28.
I imagine that SHIELD migrates to Disney + and the Netflix originals hit Hulu (maybe too violent/dark for Disney +).
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Anyone else watch the making of documentary for The Eternals on D+? The most interesting thing in it was Kevin Fiege calling Endgame the "final Avengers movie".
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Anyone else watch the making of documentary for The Eternals on D+? The most interesting thing in it was Kevin Fiege calling Endgame the "final Avengers movie".
Still been meaning to check that out. My initial reaction to that is he's probably referring to *that* lineup of the "Avengers". Never say never... but there are lots of different iterations of "Avengers" in the comics. From a TV perspective, they're certainly starting to put together the Young Avengers.
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It's also very possible that, even if we see another group of Avengers, the movie itself won't have the title.
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Oooh, didn't know that was up, I love those. Just watched the Hawkeye one the other day. I love the reverence the actors hold for the MCU, it's such a bucket list these days for the community.
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I still have to check the Shang-Chi and Hawkeye ones!
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I still have to check the Shang-Chi and Hawkeye ones!
Kinda bummed now we won't see one for No Way Home. :sad:
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Anyone else watch the making of documentary for The Eternals on D+? The most interesting thing in it was Kevin Fiege calling Endgame the "final Avengers movie".
Still been meaning to check that out. My initial reaction to that is he's probably referring to *that* lineup of the "Avengers". Never say never... but there are lots of different iterations of "Avengers" in the comics. From a TV perspective, they're certainly starting to put together the Young Avengers.
Yeah, they're clearly setting up a young Avengers team-up. Or at least the possibility of it.
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Just finished the Eternals edition of Assembled. Really liked it, almost more than the movie itself. Makes you really appreciate the tremendous effort that goes into an MCU film, and how as I said above, being in the MCU is a special marker in a movie career for actors.
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Is there a comic book thread? I'm wondering what the most comprehensive Dr. Strange anthology/omnibus is. I've read a lot of the early stories, but I'd like to go back and start from day one and read through.
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There is a comic book thread. I might start posting my (brief and rubbish) reviews of the things I've just read in it.
*Toddles off to find it*
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Is there a comic book thread? I'm wondering what the most comprehensive Dr. Strange anthology/omnibus is. I've read a lot of the early stories, but I'd like to go back and start from day one and read through.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=4320.msg2828427#msg2828427
Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but you can sort by release date and whether the character made an appearance or is the featured character in the comic.
https://www.marvel.com/comics/characters/1009282/doctor_strange?byZone=marvel_site_zone&offset=0&byType=character&dateStart=&dateEnd=&orderBy=release_date+asc&formatType=issue,digitalcomic,collection&byId=1009282&limit=10&count=10&featured=true
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Is there a comic book thread? I'm wondering what the most comprehensive Dr. Strange anthology/omnibus is. I've read a lot of the early stories, but I'd like to go back and start from day one and read through.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=4320.msg2828427#msg2828427
Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but you can sort by release date and whether the character made an appearance or is the featured character in the comic.
https://www.marvel.com/comics/characters/1009282/doctor_strange?byZone=marvel_site_zone&offset=0&byType=character&dateStart=&dateEnd=&orderBy=release_date+asc&formatType=issue,digitalcomic,collection&byId=1009282&limit=10&count=10&featured=true
Thank you; I'll check it out!
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Well, crap. I was vaguely aware that Netflix had a Daredevil series year ago, and some other Marvel-related (as opposed to MCU canon) shows, but didn't really care because we didn't have Netflix. Well, Mrs. Orbert signed up for Netflix, and based solely on Matt Murdock's brief appearance in Spider-Man 3, and maybe a little bit because Fisk showed up in the Hawkeye show, we decided to watch Daredevil. If it's all going to be canon now, we gotta catch up.
They (Netflix) just announced that Daredevil is going away at the end of the month. We're eight episodes in. Even binging madly, we're not going to get through 31 episodes by next Monday. Bummer, because I'm really digging it so far.
So it's a Netflix show, and if Netflix decides to not carry it any more, is it basically gone? There are no other options?
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Well, crap. I was vaguely aware that Netflix had a Daredevil series year ago, and some other Marvel-related (as opposed to MCU canon) shows, but didn't really care because we didn't have Netflix. Well, Mrs. Orbert signed up for Netflix, and based solely on Matt Murdock's brief appearance in Spider-Man 3, and maybe a little bit because Fisk showed up in the Hawkeye show, we decided to watch Daredevil. If it's all going to be canon now, we gotta catch up.
They (Netflix) just announced that Daredevil is going away at the end of the month. We're eight episodes in. Even binging madly, we're not going to get through 31 episodes by next Monday. Bummer, because I'm really digging it so far.
So it's a Netflix show, and if Netflix decides to not carry it any more, is it basically gone? There are no other options?
It was mentioned a few posts before, but I would not be surprised if the shows migrate to Hulu or Disney+, maybe at some point before the end of the year.
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Yep. There hasn't been an official announcement yet, but it will wind up on Hulu or Disney + before long.
Try to finish at least the first season before it leaves.
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Well, crap. I was vaguely aware that Netflix had a Daredevil series year ago, and some other Marvel-related (as opposed to MCU canon) shows, but didn't really care because we didn't have Netflix. Well, Mrs. Orbert signed up for Netflix, and based solely on Matt Murdock's brief appearance in Spider-Man 3, and maybe a little bit because Fisk showed up in the Hawkeye show, we decided to watch Daredevil. If it's all going to be canon now, we gotta catch up.
They (Netflix) just announced that Daredevil is going away at the end of the month. We're eight episodes in. Even binging madly, we're not going to get through 31 episodes by next Monday. Bummer, because I'm really digging it so far.
So it's a Netflix show, and if Netflix decides to not carry it any more, is it basically gone? There are no other options?
The shows are owned by Disney, they just leased the distribution rights out to Netflix. That contract is now ending, so as others have stated, it's expected they'll migrate to Disney+ or Hulu soon.
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That would be nice. We can probably knock out the last five episodes of Season One. Mrs. Orbert even suggested with binge out on Saturday, but the math just isn't working in our favor. But yeah, we can probably finish Season One.
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It's been awhile since I watched DD, so I don't remember whether it ever got as overtly sexually graphic as some of the other Netflix shows in subsequent seasons (I don't recall any of that in season 1). But I don't believe Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, or Iron Fist could ever find their way onto D+ for going as far as they did, unless Disney+ were to come out with an "adult only" section, or something like that. (dunno about Punisher. I never got around to watching it)
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I never got round to finish all the Netflix Marvel shows. I started Iron Fist and then lost track, anything released after that I haven't kept up so I guess I'll wait for Hulu to get it and then catch up.
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It's been awhile since I watched DD, so I don't remember whether it ever got as overtly sexually graphic as some of the other Netflix shows in subsequent seasons (I don't recall any of that in season 1). But I don't believe Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, or Iron Fist could ever find their way onto D+ for going as far as they did, unless Disney+ were to come out with an "adult only" section, or something like that. (dunno about Punisher. I never got around to watching it)
Apparently, in other countries, Disney+ just has a special section for the more mature content that has parental locks on it. But in the US they've been segregating that material off to Hulu.
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@Faizoff: Iron Fist was easily my least favorite, and I think that is true for most people, from what I have seen. But aside from that, it's an odd place to start because it builds on stuff from some of the other shows, so I personally don't think it works nearly as well as a standalone series. Going off of really fuzzy memory, I think the only ones where you can watch all the seasons of a given show without watching the other shows, and still have it feel cohesive enough would be DD and maybe JJ. Otherwise, I would recommend watching the Netflix shows in release order:
Daredevil (Season 1)
Jessica Jones (Season 1)
Daredevil (Season 2)
Luke Cage (Season 1)
Iron Fist (Season 1)
The Defenders (Limited Series)
The Punisher (Season 1)
Jessica Jones (Season 2)
Luke Cage (Season 2)
Iron Fist (Season 2)
Daredevil (Season 3)
The Punisher (Season 2)
Jessica Jones (Season 3)
*Again, I somehow skipped The Punisher, so I guess I need to quickly rectify that.
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Sorry should have clarified, I didn't start at Iron Fist. I watched everything as it was released up and until episode 1 or 2 of Iron Fist season 1. I didn't resume after that, got sidetracked with other things and just didn't get to watch the rest.
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I never even finished Iron Fist. I liked the first season better than most people did. But the second season was quite a bit sillier and I had a tougher time with it. But my wife thought the second season was so idiotic that she stopped watching it all together. And I didn’t care enough about it to keep going so I think I only saw the first two or three episodes.
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Daredevil (Season 1)
Jessica Jones (Season 1)
Daredevil (Season 2)
Luke Cage (Season 1)
Iron Fist (Season 1)
The Defenders (Limited Series)
The Punisher (Season 1)
Jessica Jones (Season 2)
Luke Cage (Season 2)
Iron Fist (Season 2)
Daredevil (Season 3)
The Punisher (Season 2)
Jessica Jones (Season 3)
I've seen all of these except the last two. After Daredevil S3, I just didn't find myself wanting to go back, even though I liked The Punisher in his previous appearances, and I liked JJ a lot as well, but I think I was burnt out on the Netflix Marvel stuff by that point. I mean, I have 6 days, but I don't think I'm quite in the mood to binge through those two shows. I guess I'll wait til it hits Disney+.
-Marc.
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I never got around to The Punisher at all and I missed season 3 of Jessica Jones. And then came the announcement that all of the shows were being canceled, so I figured, "What's the point?" and moved on to watching other things.
Daredevil is pretty great all around, season 1 of Jessica Jones is excellent, and the first half of season 1 of Luke Cage was really good. The Defenders was, well, better than Iron Fist, at any rate.
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I enjoyed the first season of The Punisher a lot. Season 2 was not as strong, but it was also enjoyable.
I never understood the dislike towards Iron Fist. Maybe it is because I went in expecting to be the worst thing to be shown on TV, but I ended enjoying.
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I am working through as much of Punisher as I can before it goes away. So far, season 1 is REALLY strong.
I never understood the dislike towards Iron Fist. Maybe it is because I went in expecting to be the worst thing to be shown on TV, but I ended enjoying.
Yeah, I enjoyed it as well. Never understood the hate. Definitely the least of the Netflix shows overall (although JJ season 3 would perhaps have been better left unmade), but still pretty good.
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The problem with Iron Fist was the main character himself. Just a doofus who can't go 5 minutes without announcing to anyone in earshot that he is the Immortal Iron Fist, as if they should know what the fuck he's talking about.
I thought the rest of the cast was fairly good.
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The problem with Iron Fist was the main character himself. Just a doofus who can't go 5 minutes without announcing to anyone in earshot that he is the Immortal Iron Fist, as if they should know what the fuck he's talking about.
I thought the rest of the cast was fairly good.
Not only that, but just announcing he's Danny Rand. FFS pal, we get it. S1 was a chore to get through, and if it wasn't the setup series for The Defenders, I would've pulled the ripcord on it pretty quick. I didn't even watch S2.
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Putting aside whether you two are greatly exaggerating things (which I think you are), I don't see why any of that is a problem.
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Putting aside whether you two are greatly exaggerating things (which I think you are), I don't see why any of that is a problem.
Ok, so maybe not every 5 minutes ... but go back to the Iron Fist discussion thread, and virtually everyone was mentioning how ridiculous that aspect of the character was.
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Putting aside whether you two are greatly exaggerating things (which I think you are), I don't see why any of that is a problem.
Ok, so maybe not every 5 minutes ... but go back to the Iron Fist discussion thread, and virtually everyone was mentioning how ridiculous that aspect of the character was.
I watched it in America and my mom watched it in Israel. When we'd talk about it, we'd basically just say "Im Danny RAAAAAAAAND" every time.
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“But…..I am the immortal Iron Fist!” is something of a running gag in my house as well.
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“But…..I am the immortal Iron Fist!” is something of a running gag in my house as well.
Yea, I think Iron Fist CAN be a very goofy character if not given a strong definition, and I don't think the writers had that strong character definition when they wrote it, so he came across as quite silly much of the time.
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Putting aside whether you two are greatly exaggerating things (which I think you are), I don't see why any of that is a problem.
I am the Immortal hefdaddy42.
Not really exaggerating very much. If it was only once in a while, it wouldn't have made such an impression, on me or on all of these other fine DTF denizens.
I am the Immortal hefdaddy42.
I am the Immortal hefdaddy42!
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It's been officially announced that the Netflix series are headed to Disney+. Which one should I start with? Never seen any of them.
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It's been officially announced that the Netflix series are headed to Disney+. Which one should I start with? Never seen any of them.
Bosk gave a rundown earlier. I’d do it in that order or at least start that way.
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It's been officially announced that the Netflix series are headed to Disney+.
Came here to post this. It's happening faster than I expected honestly (March 16), plus they are also bringing Agents of Shield.
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It's been officially announced that the Netflix series are headed to Disney+.
Came here to post this. It's happening faster than I expected honestly (March 16), plus they are also bringing Agents of Shield.
Yeah, I'm a little surprised too. That it happened so fast and that it's being all dumped on all at the same time.
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I'm just very surprised that it's going on Disney+, I would've thought for sure they'd be on Hulu in the US.
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I'm just very surprised that it's going on Disney+, I would've thought for sure they'd be on Hulu in the US.
I read there will be new parental controls coming with it.
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I'm just very surprised that it's going on Disney+, I would've thought for sure they'd be on Hulu in the US.
I read there will be new parental controls coming with it.
That's what the D+ announcement said. I suspect this is the start of more grown-up content heading to D+ and maybe ultimately all of Hulu shifting over.
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It's been officially announced that the Netflix series are headed to Disney+. Which one should I start with? Never seen any of them.
Bosk gave a rundown earlier. I’d do it in that order or at least start that way.
Yep, definitely in order... Start with S1 of daredevil and work your way through. It's one hell of a ride, enjoy!!
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It's been officially announced that the Netflix series are headed to Disney+. Which one should I start with? Never seen any of them.
Bosk gave a rundown earlier. I’d do it in that order or at least start that way.
Yeah, for some, it doesn't matter. But for others, there will be a lot that you miss by not going in order. The Netflix shows are their own Marvel "universe," and there is a lot of crossover that makes running order important at times. I would definitely go in release order.
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It's been officially announced that the Netflix series are headed to Disney+. Which one should I start with? Never seen any of them.
Bosk gave a rundown earlier. I’d do it in that order or at least start that way.
Yeah, for some, it doesn't matter. But for others, there will be a lot that you miss by not going in order. The Netflix shows are their own Marvel "universe," and there is a lot of crossover that makes running order important at times. I would definitely go in release order.
Cool, thanks! I don't know when I'll be able to start watching due to being in the middle of a move and home renovations, but I'm looking forward to getting started.
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IMO, they can be pretty addictive once you start. I imagine that once you dip your toe in, you'll somehow find the time. :lol
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Season 2 of What If...? confirmed for this year!
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https://youtu.be/m9EX0f6V11Y
Ms. Marvel coming June 8th!
-Marc.
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Looks interesting :tup
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https://youtu.be/m9EX0f6V11Y
Ms. Marvel coming June 8th!
-Marc.
Nice!
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OMG that girl looks EXACTLY like my daughter in law!!!
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OMG that girl looks EXACTLY like my daughter in law!!!
Everyone has a doppelganger! :lol
Also, it's interesting to note that Ms. Marvel will start airing just two weeks after Obi-Wan Kenobi starts, which will be the first time since Disney+ began that both a Marvel show and a Star Wars show will air on the same day. There was speculation that Ms. Marvel wouldn't air until Kenobi was finished, but I guess both will overlap. I wonder if the recent confirmation that What If...? Season 2 airing this year is what led to Ms. Marvel overlapping with Kenobi? They still have She-Hulk AND Secret Invasion to fit in later this year as well, so it looks like we'll have a total of five Marvel shows on Disney+ again this year.
Either way, it'll be an exciting year for new characters and stories. As different as MCU Kamala Khan will be to her 616 comics version, I'm interested in seeing how she fits into the broader MCU, how her powers develop and if she'll be meeting Carol at all in her series, or if that meet-up will have to wait until The Marvels hits theaters next February.
-Marc.
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I can't say I'm a fan of how much they're changing her powers/origin story, but that said....it looks great! I'm loving the tonal shift, and the girl looks like she'll be a lot of fun. Excited for this!
Also love how they addressed her name pronunciation so quickly.
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I only know the briefest outline of the character but that looks really charming and fun.
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So not only was Morbius bad (which wasn't that surprising) but the post-credits scenes made it even worse.
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So not only was Morbius bad (which wasn't that surprising) but the post-credits scenes made it even worse.
Definitely Marvel, but not officially MCU, yes?
Just making sure because the official MCU has been very nearly flawless (The Eternals being the only real misstep...and even then, time might be kinder to it once we see the bigger picture of how it fits into phase 4). But this Morbius is part of that whole extended Sony “is it or isn’t it canonical” thing, which has a history of being mostly lower quality with maybe a couple of gems.
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So not only was Morbius bad (which wasn't that surprising) but the post-credits scenes made it even worse.
Definitely Marvel, but not officially MCU, yes?
Just making sure because the official MCU has been very nearly flawless (The Eternals being the only real misstep...and even then, time might be kinder to it once we see the bigger picture of how it fits into phase 4). But this Morbius is part of that whole extended Sony “is it or isn’t it canonical” thing, which has a history of being mostly lower quality with maybe a couple of gems.
Haven't seen it (probably won't until it's free on streaming), but from what I've read, it's now canon in the same way Venom/other Spider-Man movies are. There's a multiverse, and this takes place in a part of that multiverse. Same universe as Venom if I remember correctly, and since Venom showed up briefly in No Way Home, then it's all canon in some way.
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So not only was Morbius bad (which wasn't that surprising) but the post-credits scenes made it even worse.
Definitely Marvel, but not officially MCU, yes?
Just making sure because the official MCU has been very nearly flawless (The Eternals being the only real misstep...and even then, time might be kinder to it once we see the bigger picture of how it fits into phase 4). But this Morbius is part of that whole extended Sony “is it or isn’t it canonical” thing, which has a history of being mostly lower quality with maybe a couple of gems.
It's technically not MCU I suppose but it also ties into Spider-Man and features an MCU character so I guess it's a weird case. I think the MCU (the official ones) has been mostly solid, Eternals for me is middle of the pack though there have been some rough ones like Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Captain Marvel, but overall the MCU level is definitely better than these 'adjacent' movies.
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MCU is hardly flawless, but their lowest lows aren't super low and even their "meh" movies have fantastic qualities to them. I really didn't like the entire plot or villain or anything to Black Widow, but the first 2/3 of the movie and the family stuff and so forth was really fantastic. I really didn't like most of the plot or the execution of the Eternals........but...umm.....I dunno, it had some funny moments? Some cool action? Some really neat ideas that just weren't done well? I Dunno, that one's harder.
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MCU is hardly flawless, but their lowest lows aren't super low and even their "meh" movies have fantastic qualities to them. I really didn't like the entire plot or villain or anything to Black Widow, but the first 2/3 of the movie and the family stuff and so forth was really fantastic. I really didn't like most of the plot or the execution of the Eternals........but...umm.....I dunno, it had some funny moments? Some cool action? Some really neat ideas that just weren't done well? I Dunno, that one's harder.
I did say “very nearly flawless” and singled out The Eternals in particular so I think we’re almost on the same page.
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Eternals was hot garbage. The worst of the rest of the MCU is at least "pretty good."
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I think Eternals gets more negativity than it deserves because it did raise some interesting philosophical questions about blindly following your leader and also whether they should interfere with life on earth or not, whether humans were worth saving and so on. Not one of the best MCU movies by any means but you compare it to Black Widow, Captain Marvel, Thor 2 or Iron Man 2 for example and it's not nearly as bad. I would say it stays out of the bottom 5 easily. I do think the MCU formula can get a bit grating sometimes (every serious moment undercut with a joke) but the biggest compliment you can give the MCU is that even the worst films (and there are a couple that aren't that great) are still enjoyable to watch the first time. I would maybe say 50% of the MCU movies fall into the category of 'fun to see once, not great enough to see twice', but that also means that the money spent on the movie ticket is never really wasted.
You compare it to something else like the X-Men franchise and that one has a couple that IMO stands up with the best of the MCU - Logan and Days of Future Past, but you also get stinkers like X-Men Origins Wolverine and Dark Phoenix that make even Thor 2 look like Citizen Kane. Morbius makes Captain Marvel feel like Infinity War in comparison.
Definitely feel more hyped for Dr. Strange 2 due to the fact Raimi is directing. One of my favorite directors and I just hope he's given room enough to 'make it his own'. That's otherwise one of my main criticisms with the MCU is that aside from maybe the Guardians of the Galaxy films, many of these films feel like they could be made by the same director. And they have their formula and it works, you don't change the recipe of the Big Mac sauce after all, but I do hope Raimi gets to play around with a creative hero like Dr. Strange.
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...but the biggest compliment you can give the MCU is that even the worst films (and there are a couple that aren't that great) are still enjoyable to watch the first time.
All except Eternals. One of the worst films I have seen in my life, and if I could get my money and time back that I wasted having seen it, I would.
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...but the biggest compliment you can give the MCU is that even the worst films (and there are a couple that aren't that great) are still enjoyable to watch the first time.
All except Eternals. One of the worst films I have seen in my life, and if I could get my money and time back that I wasted having seen it, I would.
I don't know how you can dislike it so much when something like Black Widow was miles worse.
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...but the biggest compliment you can give the MCU is that even the worst films (and there are a couple that aren't that great) are still enjoyable to watch the first time.
All except Eternals. One of the worst films I have seen in my life, and if I could get my money and time back that I wasted having seen it, I would.
I don't know how you can dislike it so much when something like Black Widow was miles worse.
I can understand the dislike for it relative to all the other MCU movies, but even to just compare it against other blockbuster franchises, this movie is better than virtually every DCU movie, most Sony/Marvel movies, and certainly the last 2 Star Wars movies. It's not a BAD movie on an absolute basis, but it is worse than most MCU releases.
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...but the biggest compliment you can give the MCU is that even the worst films (and there are a couple that aren't that great) are still enjoyable to watch the first time.
All except Eternals. One of the worst films I have seen in my life, and if I could get my money and time back that I wasted having seen it, I would.
I don't know how you can dislike it so much when something like Black Widow was miles worse.
I can understand the dislike for it relative to all the other MCU movies, but even to just compare it against other blockbuster franchises, this movie is better than virtually every DCU movie, most Sony/Marvel movies, and certainly the last 2 Star Wars movies. It's not a BAD movie on an absolute basis, but it is worse than most MCU releases.
I didn't love Eternals and it did have a bunch of flaws like many other Marvel movies but I do feel saddened by the reception of it because it shows people would rather have boring safe 'doesn't change up the formula' movies than Marvel doing something different. Shang-Chi was essentially Black Panther with a different coat of paint and a different culture, Black Widow felt like the most watered down 'MCU humor mixed with CGI video game action scenes with no stakes" and it does feel like a bit of a shame that people eat these up.
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While I didn't love Eternals on release, watching it a second time made me appreciate it a little more, and those "flaws" I initially saw were not as bad as I initially perceived them.
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I came to Eternals late. I was expecting much badness due to the negativity it got upon release, half way though the film and I actually enjoying it - but then the twist hit and it went to shite. Maybe because the first half was decent I'd put it above IM2 (which I think is the worst MCU film) and maybe Thor 2.
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I hope the takeaway from Eternals isn’t to stick to formula. The issue with it wasn’t the newness, it was a very mediocre and often poorly written script.
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That would be the Hulk movie. It's OK, but compared to the rest of the lot. It's just average.
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That would be the Hulk movie. It's OK, but compared to the rest of the lot. It's just average.
It feels like a majority of people forget this even exists. :lol
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That would be the Hulk movie. It's OK, but compared to the rest of the lot. It's just average.
It feels like a majority of people forget this even exists. :lol
Even the TV stations don't play it on replays. :lol You see every other movie always playing.
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That would be the Hulk movie. It's OK, but compared to the rest of the lot. It's just average.
It feels like a majority of people forget this even exists. :lol
Even the TV stations don't play it on replays. :lol You see every other movie always playing.
That could just be because it was a Universal film and not from Marvel/Disney themselves. It's not even on Disney+ last I checked, but the MCU has done a fairly good job of trying to reference it despite its loose connections due to a recast and dropped characters (where has Betty gone?).
-Marc.
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I know I read somewhere that it absolutely is a distribution/licensing issue with Universal.
But you notice that they don’t have the Spider-Man movies on D+ for the same reason (only that’s with Sony)
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...but I do feel saddened by the reception of it because it shows people would rather have boring safe 'doesn't change up the formula' movies than Marvel doing something different.
No, the poor reception has nothing to do with it changing up the formula. As Adami said:
I hope the takeaway from Eternals isn’t to stick to formula. The issue with it wasn’t the newness, it was a very mediocre and often poorly written script.
Among other things, but yes. It was just a very poor film. And one could argue that Eternals didn't change the formula at all, but was simply "yet another superhero team-up to fight generic baddies" film, and in that regard was much safer than some MCU films that did go out on a limb in various respects. But we could argue all day about which MCU films took more of a risk and deviated more from "the formula," and still not agree on anything meaningful because, again, that wasn't the issue with this film at all. Guardians for me is a textbook example of Marvel taking weak, unknown characters, and not much of a core story, and writing a brilliant script that developed into characters that we saw grow that made us care about them and their story. Eternals, not so much.
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That would be the Hulk movie. It's OK, but compared to the rest of the lot. It's just average.
It feels like a majority of people forget this even exists. :lol
Even the TV stations don't play it on replays. :lol You see every other movie always playing.
That could just be because it was a Universal film and not from Marvel/Disney themselves. It's not even on Disney+ last I checked, but the MCU has done a fairly good job of trying to reference it despite its loose connections due to a recast and dropped characters (where has Betty gone?).
-Marc.
Still would play on regular TV but you rarely see it compared to other films. Spiderman is all over TV yet that's a dual venture as well.
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Well, Spider-Man is roughly 20 times more successful than Hulk.
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Understood but if that's the case why do I see the Fantastic 4 movies still. Lol
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Rumors has it that Thor's trailer will be released early next week (possibly on Monday) :corn
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Rumors has it that Thor's trailer will be released early next week (possibly on Monday) :corn
My body is ready.
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My phase 4 expectations are appropriately low.
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I don’t understand the shade being thrown at Black Widow. The villain shaped her entire life for crying out loud, how is that not compelling?
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I don’t understand the shade being thrown at Black Widow. The villain shaped her entire life for crying out loud, how is that not compelling?
Same...and on top of that, an amazing counterpart in Yelena, good comic relief in the Crimson Dynamo, great action sequences. I dug it all around, but I'm biased since she was my favorite Avenger.
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Ironically my biggest issue with Widow (aside from the terrible casting of Ray Winston) was it's a superhero movie, the action set pieces in particular don't really make a lot of sense a Widow seems superhuman. I think there was a option to try something slightly different like a tense spy thriller.
On saying that it's still enjoyable albeit on the lower end of the MCU list...and it gave us Yelena who is amazing and stole the film (and then stole Hawkeye too).
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Ironically my biggest issue with Widow (aside from the terrible casting of Ray Winston) was it's a superhero movie, the action set pieces in particular don't really make a lot of sense a Widow seems superhuman. I think there was a option to try something slightly different like a tense spy thriller.
On saying that it's still enjoyable albeit on the lower end of the MCU list...and it gave us Yelena who is amazing and stole the film (and then stole Hawkeye too).
+1 to virtually all of this (Yelena wasn't in Hawkeye enough to steal all of it).
Despite its flaws, there was more to the movie that I liked, than I disliked. The final action of the Red Room crashing and all of that descent action was a bit OTT, but I can deal with that.
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Ironically my biggest issue with Widow (aside from the terrible casting of Ray Winston) was it's a superhero movie, the action set pieces in particular don't really make a lot of sense a Widow seems superhuman. I think there was a option to try something slightly different like a tense spy thriller.
On saying that it's still enjoyable albeit on the lower end of the MCU list...and it gave us Yelena who is amazing and stole the film (and then stole Hawkeye too).
+1 to virtually all of this (Yelena wasn't in Hawkeye enough to steal all of it).
Despite its flaws, there was more to the movie that I liked, than I disliked. The final action of the Red Room crashing and all of that descent action was a bit OTT, but I can deal with that.
You're using over the top as a criticism of an MCU flick? :lol
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Ironically my biggest issue with Widow (aside from the terrible casting of Ray Winston) was it's a superhero movie, the action set pieces in particular don't really make a lot of sense a Widow seems superhuman. I think there was a option to try something slightly different like a tense spy thriller.
On saying that it's still enjoyable albeit on the lower end of the MCU list...and it gave us Yelena who is amazing and stole the film (and then stole Hawkeye too).
+1 to virtually all of this (Yelena wasn't in Hawkeye enough to steal all of it).
Despite its flaws, there was more to the movie that I liked, than I disliked. The final action of the Red Room crashing and all of that descent action was a bit OTT, but I can deal with that.
You're using over the top as a criticism of an MCU flick? :lol
IMO, there's over-the-top, then there's OVER-THE-TOP. I can get my head into a "comic" world that is grounded in reality. There needs to be a conjoining of spectacle WITH substance. It's a ying and yang of 'believable' vs 'realistic'. The action need not be realistic, but like I said, should be grounded in reality for me to believe it. I can believe a super soldier; I can believe a guy that flies an armored body-tank; I can believe a talking raccoon mourning over the death of a talking stick. As Christopher Nolan called it, "a cinematic reality". There just wasn't enough validity to take that crashing scene in BW seriously - imo.
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Ironically my biggest issue with Widow (aside from the terrible casting of Ray Winston) was it's a superhero movie, the action set pieces in particular don't really make a lot of sense a Widow seems superhuman. I think there was a option to try something slightly different like a tense spy thriller.
On saying that it's still enjoyable albeit on the lower end of the MCU list...and it gave us Yelena who is amazing and stole the film (and then stole Hawkeye too).
+1 to virtually all of this (Yelena wasn't in Hawkeye enough to steal all of it).
Despite its flaws, there was more to the movie that I liked, than I disliked. The final action of the Red Room crashing and all of that descent action was a bit OTT, but I can deal with that.
You're using over the top as a criticism of an MCU flick? :lol
IMO, there's over-the-top, then there's OVER-THE-TOP. I can get my head into a "comic" world that is grounded in reality. There needs to be a conjoining of spectacle WITH substance. It's a ying and yang of 'believable' vs 'realistic'. The action need not be realistic, but like I said, should be grounded in reality for me to believe it. I can believe a super soldier; I can believe a guy that flies an armored body-tank; I can believe a talking raccoon mourning over the death of a talking stick. As Christopher Nolan called it, "a cinematic reality". There just wasn't enough validity to take that crashing scene in BW seriously - imo.
But the whole time heist plot was kosher? Three Spidermen from alternate universes? A witch holding a town hostage and turning it into a 50s black and white sit com?
Not trying to pin you, it just seems that with all the absurdity in the past 20+ movies, drawing the line at the crashing station just seems nit-picky. I mean, not liking it is one thing, but using OTT as a criticism of any event in the MCU just doesn't fly for me.
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I'm gonna agree with Jingle here.
Not realistic is not the same as grounded in cinematic reality. Iron Man inventing time travel? Fine, depending how it's executed. It would be like if Captain America was like "Time travel? Oh yea, I can do that if I flex the right muscle (DC reference!)."
But everyone in BW was human. One was a semi-super soldier, but the rest were all human. They were grounded by human physics. None of what happened at the end came even close to obeying that at all. And beyond that, I think the problem, for me and possibly JB, wasn't so much that it was realistic, but that it was so contrary to the rest of the movie that it took me out of it. Part of the charm of BW was the human element. They are people being people doing people things. Yes, there are lots of explosions and stuff, but when the action scenes elevated to beyond human, it felt out of place and took me out of it. But that's just me. If it didn't bug you at all, cool. But I can see where OTT is legit.
Edit: For me it was a little like the final lightsaber battles in the Star Wars prequels. Sure, it's a world where you have the force and a little green dude, and big foot running around. Sure it's a world where they can build a ship the size of a moon and blah blah blah. But when everyone was flipping around and doing insane gymnastics during the fights? It just felt over the top and took me out of it. It's a similar sense of over the top.
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I'm gonna agree with Jingle here.
Not realistic is not the same as grounded in cinematic reality. Iron Man inventing time travel? Fine, depending how it's executed. It would be like if Captain America was like "Time travel? Oh yea, I can do that if I flex the right muscle (DC reference!)."
But everyone in BW was human. One was a semi-super soldier, but the rest were all human. They were grounded by human physics. None of what happened at the end came even close to obeying that at all. And beyond that, I think the problem, for me and possibly JB, wasn't so much that it was realistic, but that it was so contrary to the rest of the movie that it took me out of it. Part of the charm of BW was the human element. They are people being people doing people things. Yes, there are lots of explosions and stuff, but when the action scenes elevated to beyond human, it felt out of place and took me out of it. But that's just me. If it didn't bug you at all, cool. But I can see where OTT is legit.
That's definitely in my line of thinking. I guess there's a leap that the brain has to make to 'get' to the point of accepting all the *superhero* stuff, as well as the far fetched "science" (eg, shrinking Ant-man, quantum realm, vibranium) that is used to explain a lot of it. But in BW, no one is powered other than Dynamo, and the story never transitioned or prepared the audience for the characters being able to do super-extraordinary things. It's the same beef I had with IM3, and the 'barrel-of-monkeys' thing. For a story grounded in a real-world, I have slight issues with throwing out obvious laws of gravity and physics. You can't stop a 30,000 ft free fall in less than 1000 feet... let alone it being a dozen people daisy-chained together arm-in-arm. *that* is kind of stuff I say is OTT. If I had to watch and think/expect every event of every MCU movie all had to exist in our real-world, then EVERYTHING is over the top - but I can park my mind in "cinema-reality". BW didn't do anything to get my mind there.
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I don’t understand the shade being thrown at Black Widow. The villain shaped her entire life for crying out loud, how is that not compelling?
Same...and on top of that, an amazing counterpart in Yelena, good comic relief in the Crimson Dynamo, great action sequences. I dug it all around, but I'm biased since she was my favorite Avenger.
I'm gonna agree with Jingle here.
Not realistic is not the same as grounded in cinematic reality. Iron Man inventing time travel? Fine, depending how it's executed. It would be like if Captain America was like "Time travel? Oh yea, I can do that if I flex the right muscle (DC reference!)."
But everyone in BW was human. One was a semi-super soldier, but the rest were all human. They were grounded by human physics. None of what happened at the end came even close to obeying that at all. And beyond that, I think the problem, for me and possibly JB, wasn't so much that it was realistic, but that it was so contrary to the rest of the movie that it took me out of it. Part of the charm of BW was the human element. They are people being people doing people things. Yes, there are lots of explosions and stuff, but when the action scenes elevated to beyond human, it felt out of place and took me out of it. But that's just me. If it didn't bug you at all, cool. But I can see where OTT is legit.
That's definitely in my line of thinking. I guess there's a leap that the brain has to make to 'get' to the point of accepting all the *superhero* stuff, as well as the far fetched "science" (eg, shrinking Ant-man, quantum realm, vibranium) that is used to explain a lot of it. But in BW, no one is powered other than Dynamo, and the story never transitioned or prepared the audience for the characters being able to do super-extraordinary things. It's the same beef I had with IM3, and the 'barrel-of-monkeys' thing. For a story grounded in a real-world, I have slight issues with throwing out obvious laws of gravity and physics. You can't stop a 30,000 ft free fall in less than 1000 feet... let alone it being a dozen people daisy-chained together arm-in-arm. *that* is kind of stuff I say is OTT. If I had to watch and think/expect every event of every MCU movie all had to exist in our real-world, then EVERYTHING is over the top - but I can park my mind in "cinema-reality". BW didn't do anything to get my mind there.
"It's the Red Guardian." (https://youtu.be/GRZePRxcFyk)
-Marc.
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Quite possibly the best moment in the movie... That or when she said 'I don't think the God from space has to take an ibuprofen after a fight'
She truly did steal that movie.
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I don’t understand the shade being thrown at Black Widow. The villain shaped her entire life for crying out loud, how is that not compelling?
Same...and on top of that, an amazing counterpart in Yelena, good comic relief in the Crimson Dynamo, great action sequences. I dug it all around, but I'm biased since she was my favorite Avenger.
I'm gonna agree with Jingle here.
Not realistic is not the same as grounded in cinematic reality. Iron Man inventing time travel? Fine, depending how it's executed. It would be like if Captain America was like "Time travel? Oh yea, I can do that if I flex the right muscle (DC reference!)."
But everyone in BW was human. One was a semi-super soldier, but the rest were all human. They were grounded by human physics. None of what happened at the end came even close to obeying that at all. And beyond that, I think the problem, for me and possibly JB, wasn't so much that it was realistic, but that it was so contrary to the rest of the movie that it took me out of it. Part of the charm of BW was the human element. They are people being people doing people things. Yes, there are lots of explosions and stuff, but when the action scenes elevated to beyond human, it felt out of place and took me out of it. But that's just me. If it didn't bug you at all, cool. But I can see where OTT is legit.
That's definitely in my line of thinking. I guess there's a leap that the brain has to make to 'get' to the point of accepting all the *superhero* stuff, as well as the far fetched "science" (eg, shrinking Ant-man, quantum realm, vibranium) that is used to explain a lot of it. But in BW, no one is powered other than Dynamo, and the story never transitioned or prepared the audience for the characters being able to do super-extraordinary things. It's the same beef I had with IM3, and the 'barrel-of-monkeys' thing. For a story grounded in a real-world, I have slight issues with throwing out obvious laws of gravity and physics. You can't stop a 30,000 ft free fall in less than 1000 feet... let alone it being a dozen people daisy-chained together arm-in-arm. *that* is kind of stuff I say is OTT. If I had to watch and think/expect every event of every MCU movie all had to exist in our real-world, then EVERYTHING is over the top - but I can park my mind in "cinema-reality". BW didn't do anything to get my mind there.
"It's the Red Guardian." (https://youtu.be/GRZePRxcFyk)
-Marc.
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I'm gonna agree with Jingle here.
Not realistic is not the same as grounded in cinematic reality. Iron Man inventing time travel? Fine, depending how it's executed. It would be like if Captain America was like "Time travel? Oh yea, I can do that if I flex the right muscle (DC reference!)."
But everyone in BW was human. One was a semi-super soldier, but the rest were all human. They were grounded by human physics. None of what happened at the end came even close to obeying that at all. And beyond that, I think the problem, for me and possibly JB, wasn't so much that it was realistic, but that it was so contrary to the rest of the movie that it took me out of it. Part of the charm of BW was the human element. They are people being people doing people things. Yes, there are lots of explosions and stuff, but when the action scenes elevated to beyond human, it felt out of place and took me out of it. But that's just me. If it didn't bug you at all, cool. But I can see where OTT is legit.
That's definitely in my line of thinking. I guess there's a leap that the brain has to make to 'get' to the point of accepting all the *superhero* stuff, as well as the far fetched "science" (eg, shrinking Ant-man, quantum realm, vibranium) that is used to explain a lot of it. But in BW, no one is powered other than Dynamo, and the story never transitioned or prepared the audience for the characters being able to do super-extraordinary things. It's the same beef I had with IM3, and the 'barrel-of-monkeys' thing. For a story grounded in a real-world, I have slight issues with throwing out obvious laws of gravity and physics. You can't stop a 30,000 ft free fall in less than 1000 feet... let alone it being a dozen people daisy-chained together arm-in-arm. *that* is kind of stuff I say is OTT. If I had to watch and think/expect every event of every MCU movie all had to exist in our real-world, then EVERYTHING is over the top - but I can park my mind in "cinema-reality". BW didn't do anything to get my mind there.
Well we're just gonna have to disagree, cause I can't seem to distinguish one stupid stretch of reality from another. They're all over the top, that's why it's so fucking fun.
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I'm with Chad and Adami. And not that any of it was "bad." Just, as Adami said, for what was set up and what the abilities of the characters were, my subconscious objected to having to suspend reality that far during the final act. It was just hard to make that leap.
My other nitpick is that the writing at the very end was choppy in having it end with Ross's arrival, and then suddenly Natasha is free and getting ready to spring those on the Raft, with no explanation.
That said, I liked the movie. A lot. And it has grown a lot with repeat viewings. Probably my second favorite film of phase 4 after the flawed but fun No Way Home. And if I had to compare it to the other original Avengers' phase 1 solo films, I think it stands up there with them. I would definitely put it ahead of Hulk and Iron Man 2, and maybe ahead of Thor as well. To me, it was the MCU film we really didn't need (or want), but was a lot better than it deserved to be.
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I honestly think Black Widow would have been better served if it were released after Civil War.
Since by the time the movie came out, the character was dead, it changed how we're supposed to see her but it really didn't. It didn't do anything at all for the character but fill in parts of her story that didn't impact how we left her last time. If it had come out after Civil War (and maybe had a much better villain/plot) then we might have enjoyed it in a different way and Yelena returning would have had a larger impact.
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I honestly think Black Widow would have been better served if it were released after Civil War.
Since by the time the movie came out, the character was dead, it changed how we're supposed to see her but it really didn't. It didn't do anything at all for the character but fill in parts of her story that didn't impact how we left her last time. If it had come out after Civil War (and maybe had a much better villain/plot) then we might have enjoyed it in a different way and Yelena returning would have had a larger impact.
I totally agree here, and will always be baffled as to why they didn't do this initially
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Love and Thunder trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgB1wUcmbbw
I dig it. Thank god for that last 5 seconds, otherwise it would've been just a bit too campy and light hearted for me.
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Love and Thunder trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgB1wUcmbbw
I dig it. Thank god for that last 5 seconds, otherwise it would've been just a bit too campy and light hearted for me.
Just watched like 5 times. Loving what we see so far, and it looks like Thor will have a half-dozen costume changes throughout the film, most of which look inspired directly from various versions of him from the comics!
Cannot wait to see more Thor four!
-Marc.
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Looks fun. I did appreciate the god version of crossfit.
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Wow. Everything looks pretty good, except I fucking hate Axl Rose's voice so that kind of ruined it for me. The trailer, anyway. If it's like other Marvel movies, the song will show up once and I can suffer through it. Or if I'm really lucky, it will be end credits music.
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REALLY good video that articulates very well the reason I felt Shang Chi failed to rise to the level of a lot of the earlier MCU films: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS5YmRlF7qU
The gist of it is that some Marvel films, Shang Chi being perhaps the best example, are in the process of telling a compelling story that gets derailed by a big CGI-fest of a battle in the third act that detracts from and undermines the existing story.
To me, this "third act" problem was most glaring in Shang Chi, followed by Black Widow. Both of these films had tremendous potential, and were still good, but fell short of what they could have been. The various live action D+ TV series, on the other hand, mostly did a great job in this department. Even though WandaVision similarly ended with a big CGI battle, the stakes matched the tone of the show and the scope of the actual conflict. This is why, to me, phase 4 has been so all over the place and, combined with the absolute disaster that was Eternals, makes phase 4 easily the weakest MCU phase so far. As I have posted, I expected phase 4 to be a letdown from prior phases. After the climax of phase 3, how could it not be? But I was expecting it more from a necessity of having to scale down the stakes and the plots of the individual films. I was not expecting it from the perspective of bad writing. And although Eternals was so inexplicably horrible, I guess I can sort of overlook it in the grand scheme of things just because the MCU was SO good for SO long that it was due for a misfire. It's kind of like a Tom Brady-led playoff team or a Stef Curry-led playoff team--they're typically so great that we forget that they're human, and when they do actually flame out, it's an understandable reminder that they are only human.
Shang Chi and Black Widow are different. They had the potential to be great films. They both focused for most of their run time on smaller scale conflicts that were personal, emotional, and relatable. They were shaping up to be much like Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Captain America: Civil War in that respect. Then they diverged in Act 3 and seemed to forsake what they were about in favor of superfluous CGI battles, and that's where they went off the rails. Both tried to dial it back in the end and remind us what they were truly about. I thought Black Widow was more successful in that regard. But it's just disappointing that both could have had much bigger impact and been overall much better films if they kept it dialed back the entire time and remembered what they were about. And while they are both still better than the typical non-MCU superhero film, that isn't by much.
Overall, here's my brief take on each of the films:
-Black Widow: The film that both exceeded and failed to meet expectations all in on movie. I didn't think we needed a Natasha movie. But it set up an emotional closure for the character that I wasn't previously willing to admit that we needed, and it nicely set the stage for some future events, and really added nice continuity with both the Falcon and Winter Soldier and Hawkeye series. The writers mostly did a good job of keeping the scope personal. But the over-the-top nature of Act 3 detracted from that a bit and kept the movie from being as good as it could have been. Still, I would consider it an overall success.
-Shang Chi: Similar, but the third act problems were much more egregious. The video I lined says it all. I don't always agree with Ryan's hot takes, but his take on the problems with act three of Shang Chi, as compared to what it should have been given the very personal story it had been telling up to that point, are spot on to me. This film really could have been fantastic, but was overall just "good," and I hate when a film leaves me perpetually feeling like every time I talk about it, I have to say, "well, it was good, BUT..."
-Eternals: Doesn't really fit the topic, but for the sake of completeness in discussing phase 4 overall, I'll again repeat that it was a disaster and should never have been allowed to have been released with the Marvel name on it. Far worse than anything with the Marvel (MCU or not) or DC labels that I can recall.
-No Way Home: Again, just for completeness, I'll deal with it. Overall, good film. I don't like the multiverse premise at all. But given that that is where the MCU as a whole is headed, I do my best to set that major distraction aside. There were some other issues I had with the writing. The entire premise of the film was set up without Spiderman or Strange really seeming to give a second thought to what could go wrong. This is...very hard to swallow, to say the least. I think that was the movie's biggest failure. But getting past that, there was a lot that was really, really good about this film. Easily the weakest of the Spiderman films, but still really good. And this is a good example of a big climactic CGI-fest at the end that made sense in the context of the film. And that CGI-fest never once felt like it lost sight of the many complex levels of personal stakes that this film was really about. Overall, this is how to do a third act correctly.
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I don’t understand the shade being thrown at Black Widow. The villain shaped her entire life for crying out loud, how is that not compelling?
Same...and on top of that, an amazing counterpart in Yelena, good comic relief in the Crimson Dynamo, great action sequences. I dug it all around, but I'm biased since she was my favorite Avenger.
Just to finish up on Black Widow . . . I don’t know whether it’s the character or ScarJo that people undervalue, but you know she’s the bravest Avenger of them all. This little woman with no powers and she’s going hand-to-hand with the WINTER SOLDIER . . . not to mention Rumlow and a ton of other bad guys, Russian thugs, etc. Total bad-ass, and then gave it up for the greater good.
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Not seeing what you folks are in that trailer. For the first time in MCU history, I'm thinking I'll skip it. Too much What We Do in the Shadows vibe for a Thor movie IMO. It was borderline in Ragnarok, but this appears to be too Waititi.
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I don’t understand the shade being thrown at Black Widow. The villain shaped her entire life for crying out loud, how is that not compelling?
Same...and on top of that, an amazing counterpart in Yelena, good comic relief in the Crimson Dynamo, great action sequences. I dug it all around, but I'm biased since she was my favorite Avenger.
Just to finish up on Black Widow . . . I don’t know whether it’s the character or ScarJo that people undervalue, but you know she’s the bravest Avenger of them all. This little woman with no powers and she’s going hand-to-hand with the WINTER SOLDIER . . . not to mention Rumlow and a ton of other bad guys, Russian thugs, etc. Total bad-ass, and then gave it up for the greater good.
That's definitely part of why she's my favorite, the other is her redemption arc, unlike the others who are going on what's right or by some sense of duty, she's trying to right scales she'll always see skewed away from her being a good person, and only in giving her life does she feel she righted them. Guess it's a character trait I relate to intimately.
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Announced at Cinema Con, Kevin Feige is headed to a retreat with the creative team at Marvel Studios to plan out the next decade of MCU projects. Unless things go incredibly south over the next 3 years, I think the MCU is here til 2032!
Looks like the post-Endgame/Phase 3 era will be just as long as the Infinity Saga- 2008-2019, 2021-2032.
-Marc.
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Didn't see it shared here, but two films in the 2023 MCU slate have swapped release dates:
Ant-Man 3, previously dated for July 28, 2023, now goes four months earlier on February 17. Captain Marvel sequel The Marvels, previously on that February date, now goes to July 28 next year.
https://deadline.com/2022/04/ant-man-and-the-wasp-quantumania-the-marvels-swap-release-dates-1235013181/
I figured something like this might happen when it was revealed principle photography for Ant-Man had wrapped up last November while The Marvels was still shooting.
As it stands, the rest of the film slate remains unchanged:
July 8th 2022 - Thor: Love And Thunder
November 11th 2022 - Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
February 17th 2023 - Ant-Man And The Wasp: Quantumania
May 5th 2023 - Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 3
July 28th 2023 - The Marvels
November 3rd 2023 - (Unknown)
February 16th 2024 - (Unknown)
May 3rd 2024 - (Unknown)
July 26th 2024 - (Unknown)
November 8th 2024 - (Unknown)
And films being planned/in pre-production, but without planned release dates, include: Fantastic Four, Blade, Shang-Chi 2, Deadpool 3, Captain America 4, and a film involving mutants. I think there may also be a third Doctor Strange coming in the next few years, hopefully before 2028, and probably third films in the Black Panther and Captain Marvel franchises as well.
As for Disney+, 2022 still has Ms. Marvel coming in June, and eventually She-Hulk and most likely Secret Invasion, plus specials like Werewolf By Night and the GOTG Holiday Special. Series in 2023 and beyond should include Iron Heart, Armor Wars, Loki Season 2, What If Season 2, Echo (Hawkeye character spin-off), Agatha: House Of Harkness, Spider-Man: Freshman Year, Marvel Zombies, as well as something by Destin Daniel Cretton (Shang-Chi dir.), a Nova series/film, and possibly a Daredevil reboot.
For fans who've been enjoying the MCU so far, there is definitely no slowing down now, and with getting 4 films a calendar year, plus at least four Disney+ series a year, there's a *lot* to look forward to. Let's just hope the quality of all of these projects continues to improve as they move forward.
-Marc.
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Damn that's a shit load of content from Disney coming out MCU related. I think Jon Watts who was supposed to helm the Fantastic Four movie is officially stepping away from all MCU and comic book genre related involvement for the time being. Who know if the FF movie/franchise is cursed, will be interesting to see who's going to follow it up.
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One thing with Spider-Man NWH and Dr. Strange ITMOM is that both films suffered from release date changes (more so DR. Strange it seems). I hope is not the same for Ant-Man and Captain Marvel, though I doubt there will be much connection between those two movies like Dr. Strange and Spider-Man.
While I am still enjoying these movies and shows, I am a little worries about future movies after seeing Dr. Strange, but we will see how it goes.
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Watched Loki, really enjoyed it. First half was better than last half, but the last episodes were still a very enjoyable ride.
I am near the end of Moon Knight. It is okay, fine to watch but not very memorable or engaging.
I want to retry Wandavision because it is important for Dr Strange and the MCU in general I hear, but I just don't enjoy the sitcom stuff. Never do. Almost skipped through that particular Mr Robot episode as well. Though in Wandavision I have no idea where it is going.
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Watched Loki, really enjoyed it. First half was better than last half, but the last episodes were still a very enjoyable ride.
I am near the end of Moon Knight. It is okay, fine to watch but not very memorable or engaging.
I want to retry Wandavision because it is important for Dr Strange and the MCU in general I hear, but I just don't enjoy the sitcom stuff. Never do. Almost skipped through that particular Mr Robot episode as well. Though in Wandavision I have no idea where it is going.
It’s not really a sitcom. I can’t explain without spoiling it…but it’s just not.
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Watched Loki, really enjoyed it. First half was better than last half, but the last episodes were still a very enjoyable ride.
I am near the end of Moon Knight. It is okay, fine to watch but not very memorable or engaging.
I want to retry Wandavision because it is important for Dr Strange and the MCU in general I hear, but I just don't enjoy the sitcom stuff. Never do. Almost skipped through that particular Mr Robot episode as well. Though in Wandavision I have no idea where it is going.
It’s not really a sitcom. I can’t explain without spoiling it…but it’s just not.
What he said. If you just do a small amount of research you will see this is the case.
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Watched Loki, really enjoyed it. First half was better than last half, but the last episodes were still a very enjoyable ride.
I am near the end of Moon Knight. It is okay, fine to watch but not very memorable or engaging.
I want to retry Wandavision because it is important for Dr Strange and the MCU in general I hear, but I just don't enjoy the sitcom stuff. Never do. Almost skipped through that particular Mr Robot episode as well. Though in Wandavision I have no idea where it is going.
It’s not really a sitcom. I can’t explain without spoiling it…but it’s just not.
I know it is not actually a sitcom, but the whole classic sitcom aesthetic/acting/subplot/element or however you call it was not for me. I only saw the first episode. But I will watch it before watching Dr Strange so I will eventually find out.
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Watched Loki, really enjoyed it. First half was better than last half, but the last episodes were still a very enjoyable ride.
I am near the end of Moon Knight. It is okay, fine to watch but not very memorable or engaging.
I want to retry Wandavision because it is important for Dr Strange and the MCU in general I hear, but I just don't enjoy the sitcom stuff. Never do. Almost skipped through that particular Mr Robot episode as well. Though in Wandavision I have no idea where it is going.
It’s not really a sitcom. I can’t explain without spoiling it…but it’s just not.
I know it is not actually a sitcom, but the whole classic sitcom aesthetic/acting/subplot/element or however you call it was not for me. I only saw the first episode. But I will watch it before watching Dr Strange so I will eventually find out.
Yeah, if you only watched one episode, you basically took one sip of an ocean of content.
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It might help to know/remember that the original plan was to drop the first three episodes of WandaVision all at once. All the WTF would have been cleared up (mostly) the following week. Instead, by only dropping one episode per week, the WTF was drawn out for three weeks. I stuck with it because it seemed odd and original enough, but I was ready to bail after that third episode because I too hate sitcoms. I decided to give it one more episode, and with the fourth episode, a lot of stuff was explained and/or made a hell of a lot more sense, and also pointed towards even more going on than we'd thought.
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They dropped the first two episodes at the start iirc
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That sitcom setting while fun, lasted way too long.
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That sitcom setting while fun, lasted way too long.
Completely agree. That should have been compressed into an episode or two. They nearly lost me with it.
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That sitcom setting while fun, lasted way too long.
Completely agree. That should have been compressed into an episode or two. They nearly lost me with it.
Totally disagree. It's what made the show so dammed unique. The spin they did of Family Ties in Ep5, how they used the trope of 'a very special episode of...' to really push the story into the next level. The sit come framework from each decade really worked brilliantly, and was absolutely unique in decades of television.
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That sitcom setting while fun, lasted way too long.
Completely agree. That should have been compressed into an episode or two. They nearly lost me with it.
Totally disagree. It's what made the show so dammed unique. The spin they did of Family Ties in Ep5, how they used the trope of 'a very special episode of...' to really push the story into the next level. The sit come framework from each decade really worked brilliantly, and was absolutely unique in decades of television.
I agree it was completely unique and they did a great job with it. I personally just didn't really find it very entertaining.
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I actually really appreciate they did something like this, but it just isn't really for me. Still, I will try it again soon.
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That sitcom setting while fun, lasted way too long.
Completely agree. That should have been compressed into an episode or two. They nearly lost me with it.
Totally disagree. It's what made the show so dammed unique. The spin they did of Family Ties in Ep5, how they used the trope of 'a very special episode of...' to really push the story into the next level. The sit come framework from each decade really worked brilliantly, and was absolutely unique in decades of television.
Agreed. And the payoff behind the why of it only added to the depth of Wanda's mental state/illness.
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Release date for She-Hulk is revealed. But they are calling it a “comedy series”.
I just went from :xbones to :|
https://whatsondisneyplus.com/marvels-she-hulk-disney-release-date-revealed/?fbclid=IwAR1I6eMP_y5ua4mptMizd_ZB4n-a9kAO1Nok3343Bf0RBKdo1q6D1FMw5q8
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Much sooner than I imagined!
But, to my memory, they’ve been calling it a comedy for a good while now. I’m not thrilled but I hope they know what they’re doing. She Hulk isn’t someone I’ve read a ton of, but it doesn’t strike me as a super dark drama. So if they could make Moon Knight work as light as they did, then I can see them doing She Hulk as a comedy.
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So much content it's hard to keep up with. The only phase 4 film I haven't liked so far is Eternals. Black Widow... I'm just in the camp that never, ever really found her interesting and felt the same about her movie. And I feel similarly about Hawkeye who I've always cared about even less, and the Hawkeye show hasn't made me care about him any more. Really struggling to finish the last half of this series.
It's gotten to the point where I need to keep a spreadsheet to track everything MCU related that I have or have not seen.
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I was lead to believe She-Hulk in the comics (or at least some comic version) was very meta, like Deadpool a lot of talking directly to the reader?
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I was lead to believe She-Hulk in the comics (or at least some comic version) was very meta, like Deadpool a lot of talking directly to the reader?
I'm pretty sure it's not going that far, which is pretty much full-on camp. Back when I was collecting the comics, She-Hulk was a serious character so I'm hoping they don't screw this up too much.
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Yea. It’s hard to think of a future MCU project I am excited about less than She Hulk.
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I was never a fan in the comics. But by and large, the MCU has done a pretty great job (1) developing great characters from ones I never cared much for in comics, and (2) with the D+ shows. Add in my profession, and I'm actually looking forward to this one.
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Release date for She-Hulk is revealed. But they are calling it a “comedy series”.
I just went from :xbones to :|
Why? Her comics were always comedic, going so far as breaking the fourth wall. Even in her appearances in other books, her sense of humor was in the forefront.
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Yea. It’s hard to think of a future MCU project I am excited about less than She Hulk.
Agatha: House of Harkness for me. Didn't like the character in Wandavision.
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Yea. It’s hard to think of a future MCU project I am excited about less than She Hulk.
Agatha: House of Harkness for me. Didn't like the character in Wandavision.
Forgot about that one. I guess I'll need to see what direction they're going. I really liked her, but I didn't like the flashback to Salem or whatever. So if it's set all in the past, I can't see being too pumped for it, but if it's not....Kathryn Hahn is a treasure.
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Isn't Tatiana Maslany playing She Hulk? That alone is reason enough to be excited about it (also possibly the only reason?).
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Isn't Tatiana Maslany playing She Hulk? That alone is reason enough to be excited about it (also possibly the only reason?).
Yeah. She was amazing in Orphan Black.
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Kathryn Hahn is a treasure.
I've honestly never heard of her before. Looking at her filmography it's mostly middling comedies (I genre I very rarely watch).
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Isn't Tatiana Maslany playing She Hulk? That alone is reason enough to be excited about it (also possibly the only reason?).
Definitely exciting.
And yes, Kathryn Hahn is fantastic.
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Saw No Way Home for the second time yesterday on a plane, and there's a minor detail I did not notice before (not sure if it's been mentioned).
When Tom Holland's Spidey meets Sand-Man, he's wearing his suit inside out, which makes it look black. When we first saw Sand-Man in Tobey's Spidey, he was fighting Spiderman with the symbiote/Venom suit, which is also black. Just thought that was cool.
Anyways, we are a week away from Ms. Marvel :corn
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Nice detail.
I've got everything crossed for Ms Marvel.
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Just watched Wandavision and I am glad I pushed trough my intial dislike of the 50's sitcom stuff. It paid off and it is the best MCU Disney+ show by a significant margin (that I have seen).
Really well made too, it looked polished and they nailed the feeling of different timeperiods. Obi Wan feels so amateurish compared to this.
Now on to Dr Strange 2.
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Totally agree, Wandavision is just such an outstanding leap of storytelling for the MCU. Doubt they'll ever touch that level of ingenuity again.
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I watched Dr Strange 2 yesterday and ... eh? Unfortunately I found it a bit weak. Not sure where the problem lies for me. On paper the plot sounds good, Wanda works well as a villain and I do like the current MCU thing to show characters in different timelines/realities. If I am honest the illuminati and their universe fell flat for me, perhaps ditching that whole thing and just focusing on Wanda and the Strange related characters would've worked better for me (and made dimension girl more of a character). It was ultimately a perfectly fine film, but I wasn't really feeling it.
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Opinion question: Which heroes in the MCU are "Avengers?" Not that it ultimately matters, but curious what people think.
Here's my list:
-The original six: Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Thor
-The next wave: War Machine, Falcon, Scarlet Witch, Vision, [Quicksilver (I mean, Hawkeye said if Wanda fought alongside them against Ultron, she was an Avenger, so I am assuming that would apply to Pietro as well. But then again, that comment was sort of off the cuff and doesn't necessarily mean he had authority to make people official members)]
-Spiderman (according to Tony in Infinity War)
This site https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Avengers also lists Rocket, Captain Marvel, Nebula, Okoye, and Ant Man. I guess we could say that that all of those besides Ant Man are implied in Endgame, but not sure. They seemed more like allies of the Avengers than members. :dunno:
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Nick Fury personally recruited each of the MCU Avengers as part of the Avengers Initiative. A lot of other heroes appeared in the MCU films, including those with "Avengers" in the title, but that doesn't make them official Avengers in my opinion. So I'm going with the original six.
In the first Ant-Man movie, when Scott Lang goes to the supposedly abandoned Stark facility (which is now an Avengers facility) to steal the thingamajig that Pym needs, he fights Falcon and eventually gets past him. Later, he's all fired up about it, saying that he'd "fought an Avenger" and won the fight. I remember thinking that Falcon isn't really an Avenger. Being Captain America's friend, even one who joins in the fights (and gets his own comic books), doesn't make you an Avenger. Sorry, but Falcon was always "Hero Support" to me.
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I think everyone who was in the battle for earth in Endgame when Cap said 'avengers assemble' count as an Avenger. They all suited up to fight and save Earth.
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So, basically the entire MCU?
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Nick Fury personally recruited each of the MCU Avengers as part of the Avengers Initiative. A lot of other heroes appeared in the MCU films, including those with "Avengers" in the title, but that doesn't make them official Avengers in my opinion. So I'm going with the original six.
In the first Ant-Man movie, when Scott Lang goes to the supposedly abandoned Stark facility (which is now an Avengers facility) to steal the thingamajig that Pym needs, he fights Falcon and eventually gets past him. Later, he's all fired up about it, saying that he'd "fought an Avenger" and won the fight. I remember thinking that Falcon isn't really an Avenger. Being Captain America's friend, even one who joins in the fights (and gets his own comic books), doesn't make you an Avenger. Sorry, but Falcon was always "Hero Support" to me.
I get what you are saying, but Falcon (and a few others) were more than that. Cap has Falcon, Iron Patriot, Wanda, and Vision "assemble" as Avengers in the Avengers' compound at the end of Age of Ultron, so I think it is clear that they are actual Avengers at that point.
I get R.J.'s point as well. It just feels weird to me to be that expansive. But that could be just a me thing.
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I think the ones in the next wave have a pretty strong case for being called Avengers, so I don't "hard" disagree with you. And a lot of the time, I see "Avengers" used more or less as a synonym for the MCU in general. This leads to conversations like:
"Have you seen the new Avengers movie?"
"What? No, it's Guardians of the Galaxy. Technically..."
"STFU, pedant"
Anyway, this leads to the question of where I'd draw the line, and since the line between Hero Support and "the entire MCU" gets really blurry, I pulled back to the original six. You could really build a case for any of these options.
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To me, is those that fought in Age of Ultron + Spiderman.
Edit: + Nebula, Captain Marvel and Rocket.
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I mean, if Cap called them all Avengers, who am I to argue?
Although the term is probably a bit looser for some than others, I'm sure Iron Man and Howard the Duck won't have the same health plan, but Cap called them both Avengers, right?
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Cast and director of F4 will be announced at D23.
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Cast and director of F4 will be announced at D23.
I’m always more interested in writers. The directing will mostly be typical marvel stuff. The actors will usually be great. But it’s really the writing that’s suffered. So a Steven Spielberg directed FF with Daniel Day Lewis as Reed Richards won’t excite me too much if it’s written by someone who wrote 2 episodes of Pen15 and that’s it.
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Possible leak from trademark filings for future film titles in the EU.. Maybe a preview of tonight's Hall H event...
https://www.themarysue.com/marvel-leaks-tease-rumored-avengers-secret-wars-thunderbolts-captain-america-4-title-multiverse-saga-and-more/ (https://www.themarysue.com/marvel-leaks-tease-rumored-avengers-secret-wars-thunderbolts-captain-america-4-title-multiverse-saga-and-more/)
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Possible leak from trademark filings for future film titles in the EU.. Maybe a preview of tonight's Hall H event...
https://www.themarysue.com/marvel-leaks-tease-rumored-avengers-secret-wars-thunderbolts-captain-america-4-title-multiverse-saga-and-more/ (https://www.themarysue.com/marvel-leaks-tease-rumored-avengers-secret-wars-thunderbolts-captain-america-4-title-multiverse-saga-and-more/)
Saw that trending on Twitter yesterday. I guess we will find out tonight. It would suck if they weren't planning on revealing some of those until D23 in September, because it almost feels expected that they'll at least mention these today at their panel. I have a feeling they won't reveal their entire Phase 5 slate until D23, so we may at least get titles for the last 2023 date (in November) and the four dates in 2024, which I presume are all part of Phase 4 (which makes it 15 films long). I'm pretty sure we will get a Wakanda Forever trailer, a teaser for GOTG Vol. 3, and maybe something about Quantumania and The Marvels. They'll probably give Blade a release date, but I've heard that anything Fantastic Four related will be revealed at D23.
-Marc.
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Marvel themselves confirmed that F4 items are being revealed at D23, including cast and director.
We'll know everything in about 5 hours, my cousin is in Hall H, and will be giving me updates, so I'll know as soon as he does.
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Captain America and Thunderbolts confirmed.
Also, Daredevil- Born Again with an 18 episode season.
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:metal :metal :metal
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In the next few hours, keep an eye out for footage from Secret Invasion, Ant Man 3 and GOTG 3. Not trailers, but SDCC exclusives.
Hoping my cousin shot some cause they're right up front.
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OMG BABY ROCKET RACCOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/marvel_updat3s/status/1551008574066905100?s=20&t=xLfU8yYvWx2XKBNt3ZmeKQ (https://twitter.com/marvel_updat3s/status/1551008574066905100?s=20&t=xLfU8yYvWx2XKBNt3ZmeKQ)
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November 8, 2025...Avengers- Secret Wars
Kang Dynasty announced as well, May 5, 2025
All part of phase 6...Phase 4,5,6 will be known as the Multiverse Saga
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That just tells me that those two avengers films will most likely be a similar set up to infinity war and endgame. In that they are basically two halves of a bigger story split up into two movies. And most likely a culmination of everything that they are building right now
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That just tells me that those two avengers films will most likely be a similar set up to infinity war and endgame. In that they are basically two halves of a bigger story split up into two movies. And most likely a culmination of everything that they are building right now
Yup, that's what the Feige confirmed. 8 more projects to drop at D23 to culminate the Multiverse Saga.
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Wakanda Forever trailer should be dropping in moments.
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And boom...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOB3UALvrQ&ab_channel=MarvelEntertainment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOB3UALvrQ&ab_channel=MarvelEntertainment)
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Looks excellent but man that's gonna be a bittersweet watch :'(
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Looks excellent but man that's gonna be a bittersweet watch :'(
Yep, I highly doubt anyone will make it through that dry eyed.
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Looks excellent but man that's gonna be a bittersweet watch :'(
Yep, I highly doubt anyone will make it through that dry eyed.
You know the film will begin with a black screen and white text that honors Chadwick and every single person is going to start crying right then and there.
My thoughts on the panel:
Getting the entire Phase 5 slate was a mind-blower, especially confirming titles like New World Order and Thunderbolts, especially after their trademarks were leaked a day or two ago. Phase 5 looks to include a WIDE variety of stuff, even more so than Phase 4. I like the new subtitle for Agatha's show, and saying that Daredevil: Born Again is getting an 18-episode FIRST season implies we will get (at least) a 2nd season. Charlie Cox is going to be EVERYWHERE soon, between She-Hulk and the MCU-adjacent Spider-Man: Freshman Year animated series.
So yeah, Phase 5 was a bombshell, but then dropping the release date for Fantastic Four, and saying it's the start of Phase 6, which culminates in two Avengers films in 2025, releasing only 5 months apart, was the cherry on top. Holy crap I did NOT see that coming, even if the titles were similarly leaked with those trade.arks. I hope they're good, because the last time I remember two films releasing that close in a franchise, we got The Matrix 2 and 3 and that was a bit ehhhh... I bet The Kang Dynasty ends on such a HUGE cliffhanger that they didn't want to make us wait a whole year like they did with Endgame, but that made Endgame the biggest film of all time, so who knows...
The new She-Hulk trailer gives me a bit more confidence in the show, even if the CGI is still a bit wonky, but I loved seeing Wong again. He's really gotten around this Phase!
The Wakanda Forever trailer... man, I've watched it at least a dozen times now and it moves me every single time. It's going to wreck me emotionally. I'm excited to see Namor and see what he can do. Visually the film looks amazing already, the cinematography is breathtaking, and I have no doubt this will end up being one of the biggest films of 2022. It'll end Phase 4 with a bang, which has limped and hopped with varying degrees of success (at least in theaters).
I really hope the GOTG Vol 3, Quantumania, and Secret Invasion footage drops at some point. From what I've heard, Adam Warlock and Kang both looked amazing.
-Marc.
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Ok. :dunno:
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Still can't find any of the footage other than that snippet from gotg. The mouse must be busy scrubbing the leaks.
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While certainly a different direction from Phase 1-3, the announcement of Avengers titles has me a bit more excited about what's to come. They better start digging into the Multiverse a bit more though. We shall see.
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While certainly a different direction from Phase 1-3, the announcement of Avengers titles has me a bit more excited about what's to come. They better start digging into the Multiverse a bit more though. We shall see.
From here on out, some stories might not even be set in the main MCU-616 that we have come to know and love. It'd be a great way to introduce other universes that might collide and culminate in The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars.
-Marc
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Antman to die in Quantumania. It's the first film of phase 5 and the introduction of Kang. If they want to make Kang the next big bad they need to make a statement, can't have Antman beat him in his first outing!!
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While certainly a different direction from Phase 1-3, the announcement of Avengers titles has me a bit more excited about what's to come. They better start digging into the Multiverse a bit more though. We shall see.
From here on out, some stories might not even be set in the main MCU-616 that we have come to know and love. It'd be a great way to introduce other universes that might collide and culminate in The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars.
-Marc
That would almost for sure be the straw that makes me and others give up following the MCU.
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While certainly a different direction from Phase 1-3, the announcement of Avengers titles has me a bit more excited about what's to come. They better start digging into the Multiverse a bit more though. We shall see.
From here on out, some stories might not even be set in the main MCU-616 that we have come to know and love. It'd be a great way to introduce other universes that might collide and culminate in The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars.
-Marc
I'd say it's a given. Antman is already supposed to take place in the quantum realm. Loki 2 will be a hot mess of multiverse awesomeness for sure. I'd bet good money the Marvels is heading there as well. I mean, they're calling it the Multiverse Saga, so they just gotta share that love with other universes, right? And who knows what will be brought in by the animated shows like What If?
I'd say short term I'm most excited, aside from Wakanda Forever, is the growth of the D+ shows, which seem to be heading for a huge culmination in the Daredevil show. We got a hint of him in She Hulk, he's supposed to appear in Echo as well. Seems they'll have two MCU's growing side by side, the big MCU movie verse, and the little D+ universe, and they'll tie into each other here and they're. I'd guess Thunderbolts is where they'll really collide, setting phase 6 up.
So fucking excited for all of this, as usual, we're just puppets in Feige's capable hands. I never lost faith in it.
Also want to make a prediction that Major's Kang will be one of the best villains ever, dude is such a tremendous actor, if he brings half of what he did to Lovecraft Country to this role, he might even top D'nofrio
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Ya, the two Avengers titles and the deeper multiverse story have me completely thrilled.
I totally get that, on the whole, phase 4 has been a bit of a letdown. But like some have pointed out, I’m looking “big picture” at 1) how they set up the first big baddie and all the flaws they had along the way back then, and 2) how they seem to be trying to go for an even bigger 2-peat by dialing it back a bit at the start.
This is all going somewhere very big.
I mean, think about the people who bailed after 2-3 episodes of WandaVision and missed out on the amazing payoff. This is the same concept on a multi-movie scale instead of a multi-episode scale. This is like a fantastic prog-rock epic, and we’re just getting to the end of the INTRO.
I think it’s going to be amazing. And what’s more, I think the drop off in quality may have even been an intentional “long game” play. It’s hard to “ramp up” from an 8. But much easier to ramp up from a 4 or a 2. (None of them have been that bad…I’m just illustrating a point)
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It seems a trailer for Ant Man was leaked. Haven't seen it, won't post a link (being a leak and all) but it is on YouTube.
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It seems a trailer for Ant Man was leaked. Haven't seen it, won't post a link (being a leak and all) but it is on YouTube.
Finally... Unfortunately the one I saw was from the worst possible angle. Hopefully a clearer one shows up, supposedly Modok is in there somewhere
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Yeah, hopefully it's a Spiderman situation where the official trailer is released in a few weeks. But given the movie doesn't come out until next year, I wouldn't be surprised if it's released in Sept or Oct
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I'd guess the first official one will be at D23
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That is a ton of new stuff coming over the next few years. I'm excited to see where it goes, but t also looks a little overwhelming. I honestly think I'd be fine if the MCU took a year off after the next two Avengers films.
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That is a ton of new stuff coming over the next few years. I'm excited to see where it goes, but t also looks a little overwhelming. I honestly think I'd be fine if the MCU took a year off after the next two Avengers films.
To be fair, I think that they are still trying to catch up to their original scheduled that was pushed back because of Covid. But you are right, it is a ton of stuff, 8 per year basically.
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That is a ton of new stuff coming over the next few years. I'm excited to see where it goes, but t also looks a little overwhelming. I honestly think I'd be fine if the MCU took a year off after the next two Avengers films.
I've heard this sentiment before, but I don't understand it.
If the quality stays at the same general level, then it doesn't matter how much content they release. Give me more.
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I don't think people remember that we had 4 origin movies before the first Avengers movie. And it was only then we saw a glimpse of Thanos, and it wasn't until several more years where he would be a main villain. I'm not a patient person, but it doesn't bother me that they are starting all over again with new characters and a new villain. We saw a version of Kang, but we'll see the real conqueror in Ant Man 3. We also have Blade, which will certainly have Dracula and introduce a whole new world for Marvel. We haven't seen anything yet.
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That is a ton of new stuff coming over the next few years. I'm excited to see where it goes, but t also looks a little overwhelming. I honestly think I'd be fine if the MCU took a year off after the next two Avengers films.
I've heard this sentiment before, but I don't understand it.
If the quality stays at the same general level, then it doesn't matter how much content they release. Give me more.
The quality hasn't stayed at the same level though. There has been a noticeable drop in quality in phase 4. We also went from a couple movies a year to 6+ movies and shows. I enjoy MCU movies and shows a lot, but it's getting to be a lot. And unfortunately you can't just skip a show or movie here or there. You kind of have to watch all of it to get the full effect.
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That is a ton of new stuff coming over the next few years. I'm excited to see where it goes, but t also looks a little overwhelming. I honestly think I'd be fine if the MCU took a year off after the next two Avengers films.
I've heard this sentiment before, but I don't understand it.
If the quality stays at the same general level, then it doesn't matter how much content they release. Give me more.
The quality hasn't stayed at the same level though. There has been a noticeable drop in quality in phase 4. We also went from a couple movies a year to 6+ movies and shows. I enjoy MCU movies and shows a lot, but it's getting to be a lot. And unfortunately you can't just skip a show or movie here or there. You kind of have to watch all of it to get the full effect.
Yeah, exactly. I agree with Hef in principle. More is more! But it's the "if the quality says at the same general level" part that is the sticking point. So far, it hasn't been close. That is the issue.
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And a matter of personal perspective. I've thoroughly enjoyed most of the current content, especially the expansion to the D+ shows. It's adventure, it's entertainment, it consistently brings me to that place of wonder only the MCU can.
And on a total side note, as much as I love Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie, after watching her in action on S4 of Westworld, they missed a dynamic villainous actress. Goddamn she's good.
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She's great as Creed's wife in the 2 movies as well. She is a strong actress
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That is a ton of new stuff coming over the next few years. I'm excited to see where it goes, but t also looks a little overwhelming. I honestly think I'd be fine if the MCU took a year off after the next two Avengers films.
I've heard this sentiment before, but I don't understand it.
If the quality stays at the same general level, then it doesn't matter how much content they release. Give me more.
The quality hasn't stayed at the same level though. There has been a noticeable drop in quality in phase 4. We also went from a couple movies a year to 6+ movies and shows. I enjoy MCU movies and shows a lot, but it's getting to be a lot. And unfortunately you can't just skip a show or movie here or there. You kind of have to watch all of it to get the full effect.
Yeah, exactly. I agree with Hef in principle. More is more! But it's the "if the quality says at the same general level" part that is the sticking point. So far, it hasn't been close. That is the issue.
I'd say Shang Chi was one of their better origin movies, Spiderman is top 5, Thor 4 is the 2nd best Thor film and Doctor Strange while messy was a lot of fun. Eternals was bad and Black Widow was one of the lesser films - but overall the quality hasn't dropped much if at all compared to phase 1 & 2 at least.
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And with the addition of the D+ series, which are a part of phase 4 and are for me all good to outstanding, I'd say we're not suffering any lack of quality.
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And with the addition of the D+ series, which are a part of phase 4 and are for me all good to outstanding, I'd say we're not suffering any lack of quality.
Agreed. The "worst" of Phase 4 is no worse than anything from 1 (IM2), 2 (Thor 2), or 3 (Ant-Man & Wasp). But on the flipside, the best of Phase 4 doesn't exceed the best of phase 1-3. If "the best" is now the bar, people will be routinely disappointed. We've just had a shit ton of movies and TV shows that fall in between the best and worst of anything from 1-3.
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And with the addition of the D+ series, which are a part of phase 4 and are for me all good to outstanding, I'd say we're not suffering any lack of quality.
I agree. Is every Phase 4 film as good as Infinity War or Endgame? Of course not. But I see no drop in quality. Which is not to say there won't be individual films or shows that might not be everyone's cup of tea, but that doesn't speak to the level of quality of the product, just individual tastes.
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And with the addition of the D+ series, which are a part of phase 4 and are for me all good to outstanding, I'd say we're not suffering any lack of quality.
I agree. Is every Phase 4 film as good as Infinity War or Endgame? Of course not. But I see no drop in quality. Which is not to say there won't be individual films or shows that might not be everyone's cup of tea, but that doesn't speak to the level of quality of the product, just individual tastes.
TASTESTM!!!!
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And with the addition of the D+ series, which are a part of phase 4 and are for me all good to outstanding, I'd say we're not suffering any lack of quality.
I agree. Is every Phase 4 film as good as Infinity War or Endgame? Of course not. But I see no drop in quality. Which is not to say there won't be individual films or shows that might not be everyone's cup of tea, but that doesn't speak to the level of quality of the product, just individual tastes.
TASTESTM!!!!
For example, bosky doesn't like the concept of the Multiverse, so that will automatically color his perceptions of the current slate of product. But I like the concept, and the films have been just as entertaining as the ones before, IMO, and the shows have added a whole new twist.
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What about people like me?
I love the multiverse. I love the characters. I just think the writing quality has been poor with Dr. Strange, Thor, Eternals, and the end of Shang Chi. If you call that tastes, then fine. But it also negates any form of criticism about anything.
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Adami vs Hef. how is it possible one of them is wrong?
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Adami vs Hef. how is it possible one of them is wrong?
We will find out Saturday.
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Adami vs Hef. how is it possible one of them is wrong?
It's like dividing by zero.
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I mean, I don't know if that is taste, but it is definitely a subjective opinion on one aspect of the films. I am talking about the overall product, not focusing on the writing or direction or any other single point.
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Phase 4 ranking, because....
1. Spiderman.
2. Shang Chi
3. Doctor Strange 2
4. Hawkeye.
5. Loki.
6. Thor 4
7. Falcon and Soldier
8. Wandavision
9. Black Widow.
10. Ms Marvel
11. Moonknight.
12. Eternals.
13. What If..
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I mean, I don't know if that is taste, but it is definitely a subjective opinion on one aspect of the films. I am talking about the overall product, not focusing on the writing or direction or any other single point.
I get that. And I understand for people who simply don’t like or connect with the overall direction. But I think the writing (with exception) has not been great. And that has impacted the final product. The lowest cinema score ratings have mostly been phase 4 stuff. That can’t simply be attributed to people having different tastes. I think people are finding it hard to connect because the writing just hasn’t been up to snuff. Obviously some exceptions. And I am hopeful things will improve. The Wakanda Forever trailer was fantastic and I’m hopeful that will be a strong return to form.
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Adami vs Hef. how is it possible one of them is wrong?
It's like dividing by zero.
HAHA
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Adami vs Hef. how is it possible one of them is wrong?
We will find out Saturday.
Only when I slow dance with both of you will we have the answer.
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I mean, I don't know if that is taste, but it is definitely a subjective opinion on one aspect of the films. I am talking about the overall product, not focusing on the writing or direction or any other single point.
I get that. And I understand for people who simply don’t like or connect with the overall direction. But I think the writing (with exception) has not been great. And that has impacted the final product. The lowest cinema score ratings have mostly been phase 4 stuff. That can’t simply be attributed to people having different tastes. I think people are finding it hard to connect because the writing just hasn’t been up to snuff. Obviously some exceptions. And I am hopeful things will improve. The Wakanda Forever trailer was fantastic and I’m hopeful that will be a strong return to form.
I believe Doctor Stranges score is lower than normal because people haven't watched Wandavision are being confused by the whole thing. That's the unfortunate side to the TV shows.
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I mean, I don't know if that is taste, but it is definitely a subjective opinion on one aspect of the films. I am talking about the overall product, not focusing on the writing or direction or any other single point.
I get that. And I understand for people who simply don’t like or connect with the overall direction. But I think the writing (with exception) has not been great. And that has impacted the final product. The lowest cinema score ratings have mostly been phase 4 stuff. That can’t simply be attributed to people having different tastes. I think people are finding it hard to connect because the writing just hasn’t been up to snuff. Obviously some exceptions. And I am hopeful things will improve. The Wakanda Forever trailer was fantastic and I’m hopeful that will be a strong return to form.
I believe Doctor Stranges score is lower than normal because people haven't watched Wandavision are being confused by the whole thing. That's the unfortunate side to the TV shows.
No evidence of that. Thor, and Eternals also had low cinema scores.
And I had watched all of WandaVision. While I wasn’t confused plot wise, I did think her entire arc was poorly written if brilliantly acted.
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Yeah, lots of really strange arguments being thrown out there to try to defend the MCU. But for me, none of those apply. It all just comes back to poor writing.
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As someone who has been on-board with the MCU since practically Day 1 (with the release of Iron Man in 2008), I go into each new film (and now TV show) with enthusiasm and a willingness to enjoy each project for what they are, but afterwards, I dive deeper and become more discerning. I think the whole culture of reviews/critics/scores has tainted a lot of viewers'/fans' opinions on things and they go in expecting things to be one way and then are upset when they aren't delivered what they thought the product would be.
For the most part, as far as Phase 4 goes, I've enjoyed most of it, but I also do recognize there have been writing faults and issues for many projects, i.e., there are things that could have been done better. Black Widow just felt like it was "too little, too late"; Shang-Chi was fairly good but it suffered from 3rd-Act-Syndrome; Eternals would've been better as a more fleshed-out 6-episode series; Spider-Man was probably as close to MCU greatest as they could get, but I feel like a lot of that film is driven by nostalgia; Doctor Strange ITMOM has a great premise, but treats its characters poorly; and Thor LAT felt like it was too chopped up (from it's 4-hour cut) to be a truly coherent film.
The TV shows, IMO, fared a bit better in terms of consistency within each show - WandaVision was exploratory and unique, though it also suffered from 3rd-Act-Syndrome with its final episode; The Falcon & The Winter Soldier was definitely rewritten over the beginning of the pandemic and felt like it had a lot of its original story gutted or changed; Loki was probably one of the better written shows over-all, even with the exposition-filled final episode, though Majors' acting really helped sell it; What If? did what it set out to do, but each episode was hit-or-miss; Hawkeye was a fun action spectacle but it felt like some characters were under-written and under-utilized; Moon Knight has a great premise and some great execution but a few choices felt odd here and there; and Ms. Marvel, like Loki, is probably one of the better written Disney+ MCU shows so far, very good character acting from most of the cast, though the undercooked villains felt cliche.
But I understand why fans feel Phase 4 has felt less-than-stellar, between the amount of content and how mid-to-good that content has been. If there had been less content, spread out over more time, it wouldnt' feel as sub-par, especially following a mostly-great Phase 3 (where nearly everything from Civil War to Endgame felt fresh and fun and exciting).
Going forward, with 12 projects in Phase 5 (in just about a year and a half's time) and 11 projects in Phase 6 (in less than 14 months), they aren't slowing down anytime soon, or producing any less. Let's just hope the quality of the product improves as we head towards the finish line of this Multiverse Saga.
-Marc.
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The TV shows, IMO, fared a bit better in terms of consistency within each show - WandaVision was exploratory and unique, though it also suffered from 3rd-Act-Syndrome with its final episode; The Falcon & The Winter Soldier was definitely rewritten over the beginning of the pandemic and felt like it had a lot of its original story gutted or changed; Loki was probably one of the better written shows over-all, even with the exposition-filled final episode, though Majors' acting really helped sell it; What If? did what it set out to do, but each episode was hit-or-miss; Hawkeye was a fun action spectacle but it felt like some characters were under-written and under-utilized; Moon Knight has a great premise and some great execution but a few choices felt odd here and there; and Ms. Marvel, like Loki, is probably one of the better written Disney+ MCU shows so far, very good character acting from most of the cast, though the undercooked villains felt cliche.
-Marc.
This is very similar to my take on the TV shows though I really liked What If, I think they were interesting settings for the Marvel characters in alternate roles. All in all the TV series hasn't completely impressed me, I mean I enjoyed them, they are fun to watch. But if I compare them to The Boys or Peacemaker, it really pales (story writing wise).
I actually don't mind all the 3rd acts in the phase 4 movies so far. I do get why it's a turn off for many but I found them enjoyable. The Eternals really had the setup to be so much more but a 2 hour movie wasn't going to do justice to it. Haven't seen the new Thor yet and will be going in with tempered expectations.
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I think that basically an entire interwebz industry designed to pick apart and nit-pick every little flaw plays a part - all the reviewers that have more minutes of YT videos dedicated to analyzing every detail than the runtime of the shows/movies, along with the HISHE / Pitch Meeting style of channels as well. There's no shortage of people willing to shit on anything.
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I think that basically an entire interwebz industry designed to pick apart and nit-pick every little flaw plays a part - all the reviewers that have more minutes of YT videos dedicated to analyzing every detail than the runtime of the shows/movies, along with the HISHE / Pitch Meeting style of channels as well. There's no shortage of people willing to shit on anything.
While that's certainly true, that has nothing at all to do with what Adami and I have repeatedly posted, oftentimes immediately after viewing each of the films and without seeing those analysis videos. (I do regularly watch a few channels that do analysis, but I tend to focus on ones that are, for the most part, "fan" channels that focus much more on the positive side, even when being critical. And HISHE and Pitch Meeting don't really fall into the style you are describing. Although those are "critical," they are fan channels that are largely positive on the films and are just poking fun.)
What we both have voiced are problems with weak writing. Criticize earlier films like Hulk, IM2, Thor2, or Captain Marvel for being weak efforts, and I can't really argue with that. But each of them set up a premise and stuck with it without undermining it or contradicting something else (either in the film or the MCU as a whole). Yeah, Dark Elves wanting to get the ether to plunge the universe into darkness because that's what their species needed in order to survive was campy, silly, and shallow. But the film stayed consistent, both internally, and with the MCU as a whole, and set up some really important things in the Infinity Saga as a whole, as well as in the relationship dynamics between Thor and Loki, Thor and Frigga, Loki and Frigga, Thor and Jane, etc. And most importantly, whether one liked the film or thought it was a weak effort, there were never weak writing moments that took a lot of viewers out of the moment and made them say, "Wait...why is that happening? Based on what we've seen, that really shouldn't be going on right now."
Phase 4 (film-wise, not D+ shows) has just been lazy and sloppy in that regard. Again, these just feel like typical, mindless summer blockbusters rather than "events." The Marvel logo, for the first three phases used to evoke feelings of "While this may be a 'superhero movie,' it isn't just a 'superhero movie.' There is depth and care taken that you won't find in anything previously done in this genre because we truly care about this content and are presenting it to fans who truly care about these stories." Now, the Marvel logo, the "look how woke we are" moments, and over-the-top awesome special effects (not that they weren't over-the-top awesome before) are just a distraction from poorly written films.
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Yeah, lots of really strange arguments being thrown out there to try to defend the MCU. But for me, none of those apply. It all just comes back to poor writing.
As long as they get their crap together for the Fantastic Four, I'm good. BY FAR my favorite Marvel franchise (though I guess it's not THAT far ahead of Dr. Strange). The only Marvel book I ever subscribed to, or collected. I LOVED the F4.
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I dig the woke moments tbh, and am even digging them more as they double down on them. Watching a bunch of keyboard warriors get all butt hurt over two entities made of rocks holding hands is absolutely hysterical.
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Yeah, lots of really strange arguments being thrown out there to try to defend the MCU. But for me, none of those apply. It all just comes back to poor writing.
As long as they get their crap together for the Fantastic Four, I'm good. BY FAR my favorite Marvel franchise (though I guess it's not THAT far ahead of Dr. Strange). The only Marvel book I ever subscribed to, or collected. I LOVED the F4.
Third time is the charm, right?
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I dig the woke moments tbh, and am even digging them more as they double down on them. Watching a bunch of keyboard warriors get all butt hurt over two entities made of rocks holding hands is absolutely hysterical.
Agree 100%
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I dig the woke moments tbh, and am even digging them more as they double down on them. Watching a bunch of keyboard warriors get all butt hurt over two entities made of rocks holding hands is absolutely hysterical.
Agree 100%
How inclusive! :) :) :). :tup
(It's a pointed comment, but I really am just poking fun.)
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I dig the woke moments tbh, and am even digging them more as they double down on them. Watching a bunch of keyboard warriors get all butt hurt over two entities made of rocks holding hands is absolutely hysterical.
Agreed. Some folks are so easily triggered these days by anything that isn't about white guys shooting guns. But I digress. Whatever anyone thinks is "woke" I see as beautiful inclusion and diversity. Seeing Tenoch Huerta excited to be on stage and express that excitement in English AND Spanish was amazing and I'm happy that more diverse actors are being cast in these roles. I've seen so many different kinds of people so happy to meet heroes who represent them, like deaf folks meeting Lauren Ridloff (Eternals' Makkari), crying tears of joy to finally see a big screen hero who is like them. And recently, I've seen so many Mexican and Central American descendants so proud to see Namor played by Tenoch.
It's a beautiful thing, I tell ya, and the Marvel Comics have been doing this for decades. Marvel Studios just going to keep expanding and diversifying in the years to come. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Fantastic Four aren't white, or if Professor X and/or Magneto end up being black. As long as the stories fit them, and they act their butts off, I'll be happy to see them on screen in the MCU!
-Marc.
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I dig the woke moments tbh, and am even digging them more as they double down on them. Watching a bunch of keyboard warriors get all butt hurt over two entities made of rocks holding hands is absolutely hysterical.
Agree 100%
How inclusive! :) :) :). :tup
(It's a pointed comment, but I really am just poking fun.)
Join us for a big inclusive hug! 🤗
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I dig the woke moments tbh, and am even digging them more as they double down on them. Watching a bunch of keyboard warriors get all butt hurt over two entities made of rocks holding hands is absolutely hysterical.
Agreed. Some folks are so easily triggered these days by anything that isn't about white guys shooting guns. But I digress. Whatever anyone thinks is "woke" I see as beautiful inclusion and diversity. Seeing Tenoch Huerta excited to be on stage and express that excitement in English AND Spanish was amazing and I'm happy that more diverse actors are being cast in these roles. I've seen so many different kinds of people so happy to meet heroes who represent them, like deaf folks meeting Lauren Ridloff (Eternals' Makkari), crying tears of joy to finally see a big screen hero who is like them. And recently, I've seen so many Mexican and Central American descendants so proud to see Namor played by Tenoch.
It's a beautiful thing, I tell ya, and the Marvel Comics have been doing this for decades. Marvel Studios just going to keep expanding and diversifying in the years to come. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Fantastic Four aren't white, or if Professor X and/or Magneto end up being black. As long as the stories fit them, and they act their butts off, I'll be happy to see them on screen in the MCU!
-Marc.
And Bingo was his name! Like Heimdall played by Idris Ilba wasn't "woke"? I remember some (shallow) people losing their shit back then. None of this is new.
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So I made the joke, but a more serious response appears in order. Marvel has been ahead of this curve for a long time, and that's admirable. One of the things I like about Lee, Kirby, Ditka, et al. is their willingness to push boundaries in that way. As someone who respects (and agrees with) the underlying sentiment, but sometimes has problems with the execution, though, the pointing fingers at those that aren't all in isn't necessary. There are moments where it's natural and organic, and works. But there are moments in the MCU where it's ham-fisted, and the message isn't one of love and diversity, but seems to be more virtue signaling or adversarial.
I don't think its necessarily true that it's perfectly done in all cases, and if you're not okay with that then "Suck it, Trebek".
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So I made the joke, but a more serious response appears in order. Marvel has been ahead of this curve for a long time, and that's admirable. One of the things I like about Lee, Kirby, Ditka, et al. is their willingness to push boundaries in that way. As someone who respects (and agrees with) the underlying sentiment, but sometimes has problems with the execution, though, the pointing fingers at those that aren't all in isn't necessary. There are moments where it's natural and organic, and works. But there are moments in the MCU where it's ham-fisted, and the message isn't one of love and diversity, but seems to be more virtue signaling or adversarial.
I don't think its necessarily true that it's perfectly done in all cases, and if you're not okay with that then "Suck it, Trebek".
Well I will also admit that sometimes these inclusions for diversity do seem like "diversity for diversity's sake" and can feel very forced, but I feel like it's better to try than not try at all. Some folks will find pride and happiness in their representation, and for the chance at that, I don't mind a bit of odd writing or corniness in my films about fictional super heroes with outlandish powers and costumes.
-Marc.
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I dig the woke moments tbh, and am even digging them more as they double down on them. Watching a bunch of keyboard warriors get all butt hurt over two entities made of rocks holding hands is absolutely hysterical.
Agreed. Some folks are so easily triggered these days by anything that isn't about white guys shooting guns. But I digress. Whatever anyone thinks is "woke" I see as beautiful inclusion and diversity. Seeing Tenoch Huerta excited to be on stage and express that excitement in English AND Spanish was amazing and I'm happy that more diverse actors are being cast in these roles. I've seen so many different kinds of people so happy to meet heroes who represent them, like deaf folks meeting Lauren Ridloff (Eternals' Makkari), crying tears of joy to finally see a big screen hero who is like them. And recently, I've seen so many Mexican and Central American descendants so proud to see Namor played by Tenoch.
It's a beautiful thing, I tell ya, and the Marvel Comics have been doing this for decades. Marvel Studios just going to keep expanding and diversifying in the years to come. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Fantastic Four aren't white, or if Professor X and/or Magneto end up being black. As long as the stories fit them, and they act their butts off, I'll be happy to see them on screen in the MCU!
-Marc.
Yeah, all of this. Just seeing Iman Vellani's reaction to discovering a young, female Muslim superhero to identify with in her youth says all I needed to know about its importance.
I'll never forget a YouTube video of a group reacting to a Black Panther theater display, wondering if that's what white people felt like all the time. That speaks volumes to me.
https://youtu.be/7H97GhLWZR8 (https://youtu.be/7H97GhLWZR8)
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^What Stadler said. But that's also a side issue from the point I was making, which the latest posts have unintentionally bolstered, which is: that is all secondary to good writing, and in the case of poor writing, just ends up being a distraction to get people talking about something other than the bad writing.
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/avengers-the-kang-dynasty-to-be-directed-by-shang-chi-filmmaker-destin-daniel-cretton-exclusive-1235186348/
Looks like the director of Shang-Chi, Destin Daniel Cretton, will direct the next Avengers film. Maybe this is more or less confirmation that Shang-Chi will be an Avenger by then. Either way, I'm excited to see him flex his directorial skills in a bit tentpole film like Avengers: The Kang Dynasty in 2025.
-Marc.
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In the vacuum of an individual film, I can see how things like race, sexuality, disability might seem "forced". Over the context of the entire MCU of 30+ films and TV shows, having 2 deaf, a handful of Asians, and smattering of LGBTQ characters is not something I would characterize as "forced".
That's just me.
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^What Stadler said. But that's also a side issue from the point I was making, which the latest posts have unintentionally bolstered, which is: that is all secondary to good writing, and in the case of poor writing, just ends up being a distraction to get people talking about something other than the bad writing.
Good writing to bad/poor writing is talking in extremes (although that's all people seem to be able to do these days, there is no middle ground). You can make a case that the writing on certain area's within phase 4 isn't as strong as other periods of the previous phases, and maybe I'd agree. But Bad, Poor, Woke etc....Sorry I just roll my eyes. |In my opinion Shang Chi was one of the better origin stories, Thor 4 is the 2nd best Thor film, Spiderman was top 5 and Doctor Strange 2 was more enjoyable than the first one - yeah Eternals was poor and Black Widow is one of the weaker entries but overall Phase 4 has been decent enough.
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^What Stadler said. But that's also a side issue from the point I was making, which the latest posts have unintentionally bolstered, which is: that is all secondary to good writing, and in the case of poor writing, just ends up being a distraction to get people talking about something other than the bad writing.
Good writing to bad/poor writing is talking in extremes (although that's all people seem to be able to do these days, there is no middle ground). You can make a case that the writing on certain area's within phase 4 isn't as strong as other periods of the previous phases, and maybe I'd agree. But Bad, Poor, Woke etc....Sorry I just roll my eyes. |In my opinion Shang Chi was one of the better origin stories, Thor 4 is the 2nd best Thor film, Spiderman was top 5 and Doctor Strange 2 was more enjoyable than the first one - yeah Eternals was poor and Black Widow is one of the weaker entries but overall Phase 4 has been decent enough.
I agree with all of this which leads me again to my point that we are coming of the euphoria of Infinity War & Endgame. Everything else after seems like a letdown.
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As a whole the writing in phase 4 has been as strong as any other phase. It has had its weak moments (Eternals), but Wandavision and Moon Knight were as strong as anything in the MCU, easily.
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So I made the joke, but a more serious response appears in order. Marvel has been ahead of this curve for a long time, and that's admirable. One of the things I like about Lee, Kirby, Ditka, et al. is their willingness to push boundaries in that way. As someone who respects (and agrees with) the underlying sentiment, but sometimes has problems with the execution, though, the pointing fingers at those that aren't all in isn't necessary. There are moments where it's natural and organic, and works. But there are moments in the MCU where it's ham-fisted, and the message isn't one of love and diversity, but seems to be more virtue signaling or adversarial.
I don't think its necessarily true that it's perfectly done in all cases, and if you're not okay with that then "Suck it, Trebek".
Well I will also admit that sometimes these inclusions for diversity do seem like "diversity for diversity's sake" and can feel very forced, but I feel like it's better to try than not try at all. Some folks will find pride and happiness in their representation, and for the chance at that, I don't mind a bit of odd writing or corniness in my films about fictional super heroes with outlandish powers and costumes.
-Marc.
And that's fine (though there are inherent problems with the "representation" idea; if everyone needs to "see them to be them", we're still living in caves). I'm more talking about the attacking, with words like "butt hurt" and "triggering", those that don't agree or see it the same way. It's almost making the very point that the critics (in the good sense of the word) are trying to make; it's not about the actual underlying message, it's about one's reaction to it. What's inclusive about wanting to see someone uncomfortable or put out? That's not really the point of a tentpole superhero movie like most of the MCU films are.
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So I made the joke, but a more serious response appears in order. Marvel has been ahead of this curve for a long time, and that's admirable. One of the things I like about Lee, Kirby, Ditka, et al. is their willingness to push boundaries in that way. As someone who respects (and agrees with) the underlying sentiment, but sometimes has problems with the execution, though, the pointing fingers at those that aren't all in isn't necessary. There are moments where it's natural and organic, and works. But there are moments in the MCU where it's ham-fisted, and the message isn't one of love and diversity, but seems to be more virtue signaling or adversarial.
I don't think its necessarily true that it's perfectly done in all cases, and if you're not okay with that then "Suck it, Trebek".
Well I will also admit that sometimes these inclusions for diversity do seem like "diversity for diversity's sake" and can feel very forced, but I feel like it's better to try than not try at all. Some folks will find pride and happiness in their representation, and for the chance at that, I don't mind a bit of odd writing or corniness in my films about fictional super heroes with outlandish powers and costumes.
-Marc.
And that's fine (though there are inherent problems with the "representation" idea; if everyone needs to "see them to be them", we're still living in caves). I'm more talking about the attacking, with words like "butt hurt" and "triggering", those that don't agree or see it the same way. It's almost making the very point that the critics (in the good sense of the word) are trying to make; it's not about the actual underlying message, it's about one's reaction to it. What's inclusive about wanting to see someone uncomfortable or put out? That's not really the point of a tentpole superhero movie like most of the MCU films are.
So all superhero's should be straight white males to keep a certain aspects of society from feeling put out (which often manifests itself in review bombing and typing offensive messages to cast members)?
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So I made the joke, but a more serious response appears in order. Marvel has been ahead of this curve for a long time, and that's admirable. One of the things I like about Lee, Kirby, Ditka, et al. is their willingness to push boundaries in that way. As someone who respects (and agrees with) the underlying sentiment, but sometimes has problems with the execution, though, the pointing fingers at those that aren't all in isn't necessary. There are moments where it's natural and organic, and works. But there are moments in the MCU where it's ham-fisted, and the message isn't one of love and diversity, but seems to be more virtue signaling or adversarial.
I don't think its necessarily true that it's perfectly done in all cases, and if you're not okay with that then "Suck it, Trebek".
Well I will also admit that sometimes these inclusions for diversity do seem like "diversity for diversity's sake" and can feel very forced, but I feel like it's better to try than not try at all. Some folks will find pride and happiness in their representation, and for the chance at that, I don't mind a bit of odd writing or corniness in my films about fictional super heroes with outlandish powers and costumes.
-Marc.
And that's fine (though there are inherent problems with the "representation" idea; if everyone needs to "see them to be them", we're still living in caves). I'm more talking about the attacking, with words like "butt hurt" and "triggering", those that don't agree or see it the same way. It's almost making the very point that the critics (in the good sense of the word) are trying to make; it's not about the actual underlying message, it's about one's reaction to it. What's inclusive about wanting to see someone uncomfortable or put out? That's not really the point of a tentpole superhero movie like most of the MCU films are.
So all superhero's should be straight white males to keep a certain aspects of society from feeling put out (which often manifests itself in review bombing and typing offensive messages to cast members)?
I'm not sure where I said anything like that. Superhero movies should reflect our society like anything else. ??
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In the vacuum of an individual film, I can see how things like race, sexuality, disability might seem "forced". Over the context of the entire MCU of 30+ films and TV shows, having 2 deaf, a handful of Asians, and smattering of LGBTQ characters is not something I would characterize as "forced".
That's just me.
I tend to agree with that opinion. I think the overall goal should be for the characters to represent a reflection of real life. Approximately 50/50 male/female, 5-10% LGBTQ (whatever the actual percentage is), racial make-up reflecting the area the movie is taking place, etc. A smattering of characters with disabilities. Maybe not all in one movie, but it should average out over 3-5 movies/shows.
One thing that I think can make LGBTQ people feel over represented at times is the assumption that all other characters or cis-gendered, or straight. In the MCU only a handful of characters sexuality is mentioned at all, tending to be the main characters. So yes, we're due for an LGBTQ character, but it's not like we've had hundreds of straight relationships.
I think it can be the same thing with religion. It's easy to see a bunch of white people in America and assume they're Christian. So when Ms Marvel is focused on her Muslim faith and culture in a way that we've never seen with a character in the MCU before, it's easy to think... hey wait... the US has 20x more Christians than Muslims and we've never had someone's Christian faith front and center before. So it can feel forced in a way.
But overall I appreciate varied viewpoints, backgrounds, lifestyles, etc.
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^What Stadler said. But that's also a side issue from the point I was making, which the latest posts have unintentionally bolstered, which is: that is all secondary to good writing, and in the case of poor writing, just ends up being a distraction to get people talking about something other than the bad writing.
Good writing to bad/poor writing is talking in extremes (although that's all people seem to be able to do these days, there is no middle ground). You can make a case that the writing on certain area's within phase 4 isn't as strong as other periods of the previous phases, and maybe I'd agree. But Bad, Poor, Woke etc....Sorry I just roll my eyes. |In my opinion Shang Chi was one of the better origin stories, Thor 4 is the 2nd best Thor film, Spiderman was top 5 and Doctor Strange 2 was more enjoyable than the first one - yeah Eternals was poor and Black Widow is one of the weaker entries but overall Phase 4 has been decent enough.
Hey, if you like where the MCU has been going, cool. Enjoy it. In lots of other contexts, I don't mind poor writing. But I have come to expect more from the MCU because, by and large, the writing in phases 1-3 was solid. If you don't see the extreme dropoff and choose to ignore it and roll your eyes at people who point it out, then by all means, keep enjoying what you enjoy and don't let me stop you.
But for me, I see the dropoff as a problem, and I'm not going to ignore it just because of what they've done in the past or how good they might be at distracting from the dropoff. Maybe the overall story arc is going to be good enough that I can excuse it. (I'm perfectly willing to concede that the MCU has built up enough good will that they've earned some of that) But I'm not going to ignore it and pretend it isn't there.
So all superhero's should be straight white males to keep a certain aspects of society from feeling put out (which often manifests itself in review bombing and typing offensive messages to cast members)?
Yeah, precisely nobody in this thread said that, so stop putting words in people's mouths to try to bait an argument.
I agree with all of this which leads me again to my point that we are coming of the euphoria of Infinity War & Endgame. Everything else after seems like a letdown.
Nope. Not the issue at all. I said repeatedly in this thread and other MCU threads that I fully expect a letdown after the Infinity Saga. If the MCU writers never reach anywhere near those heights again (and I don't expect them to), that's fine. They pulled off a masterpiece building up to and executing those stories. Of course what follows is going to be a letdown. That isn't the issue. A letdown is different from poor writing where themes are abandoned mid-film or things happen that are inconsistent with prior MCU lore or even things that were previously established within the same film. Those kinds of issue never (or rarely) happened in phases 1-3. Now they are routine.
As a whole the writing in phase 4 has been as strong as any other phase. It has had its weak moments (Eternals), but Wandavision and Moon Knight were as strong as anything in the MCU, easily.
I know this isn't responding to me directly, but since I started the discussion, I will chime in by (again) having to repeat myself: It isn't about the D+ shows. Those have largely been stellar. I am talking about the decline in quality of the phase 4 films.
And that's fine (though there are inherent problems with the "representation" idea; if everyone needs to "see them to be them", we're still living in caves). I'm more talking about the attacking, with words like "butt hurt" and "triggering", those that don't agree or see it the same way. It's almost making the very point that the critics (in the good sense of the word) are trying to make; it's not about the actual underlying message, it's about one's reaction to it. What's inclusive about wanting to see someone uncomfortable or put out? That's not really the point of a tentpole superhero movie like most of the MCU films are.
Two EXCELLENT points (the parenthetical being one; and the overall point that if you enjoy putting people down and/or seeing people "put out," that says more about your character flaws than theirs, being the other).
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Yeah, precisely nobody in this thread said that, so stop putting words in people's mouths to try to bait an argument.
Yeah I didn't express myself at my best there. I wasn't meant to be accusing people in this thread of that at all, if anyone thought that I'll hold my hands up and apologize.
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:tup All good.
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I honestly feel the only really weak film was Eternals. Black Widow was a good nod to the character (I know I'm in the minority with my opinion of this one and I don't care :p ) , Shang Chi was quite good, 2nd best of the phase. Spidey was outstanding. Thor and MoM suffered from editing in my eyes, there was definitely a lot left on the editing floor from both of those, especially Thor. I feel like some people are expecting way too much out of a fucking comic book film. I don't think quality has dropped, at all. Casting has been outstanding (Yelena, America, all of Shang Chi were very well cast), special effects have been solid if a bit overdone, but again, it's a comic book brought to life. King brings up a poo t I'll reiterate, after the Infinity Saga, there was bound to be a drop, that's what happens after a climax.
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Yeah, precisely nobody in this thread said that, so stop putting words in people's mouths to try to bait an argument.
Yeah I didn't express myself at my best there. I wasn't meant to be accusing people in this thread of that at all, if anyone thought that I'll hold my hands up and apologize.
We're good; it's a conversation among friends as I see it. :tup
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I honestly feel the only really weak film was Eternals. Black Widow was a good nod to the character (I know I'm in the minority with my opinion of this one and I don't care :p ) , Shang Chi was quite good, 2nd best of the phase. Spidey was outstanding. Thor and MoM suffered from editing in my eyes, there was definitely a lot left on the editing floor from both of those, especially Thor. I feel like some people are expecting way too much out of a fucking comic book film. I don't think quality has dropped, at all. Casting has been outstanding (Yelena, America, all of Shang Chi were very well cast), special effects have been solid if a bit overdone, but again, it's a comic book brought to life. King brings up a poo t I'll reiterate, after the Infinity Saga, there was bound to be a drop, that's what happens after a climax.
(https://c.tenor.com/ziOsGXgVJN0AAAAd/ace-ventura-jim-carrey.gif)
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Every poo for the King is climactic I suppose, eh? :rollin :rollin
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Well, when you get to a certain age...
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I have an end battle scene every morning. So backwards.
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I have an end battle scene every morning. So backwards.
No CGI needed!
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1200 days until Avengers Secret Wars
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1200 days until Avengers Secret Wars
Huh, I've got 1197 (1196 if you go by Thursday preview, but probably even less if you go by Hollywood premiere date), from July 28th.
Either way, it's weird to see that number and think that's how long it is til the sixth Avengers film. We are also 1008 days til Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, which has the same release date, May 2nd, as Iron Man, just 17 years apart. Of all the MCU films premiering in May, TKD will be the first to share May 2nd with Iron Man.
Going back to Avengers: Secret Wars, it'll be the first Avengers film not to premiere in the "Summer Movie Season", which typically begins in May, but Infinity War and Endgame pushed their dates back a week to late April, but are still considered to be part of (or in their case, begin) the summer film slate. It'll be interesting to see how well the film does in November considering the other MCU films that have debuted in November: Thor: The Dark World, Doctor Strange, and Thor: Ragnarok. Of course, the upcoming November films look to bring in a lot of fans with Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022), Blade (2023), Fantastic Four (2024), and of course Secret Wars (2025). Looks like Marvel Studios is trying to corner that early November release slate with some big films! I'm sure they expect them to do well through Thanksgiving weekend, but I'd have to go back and look at how DS1 and Ragnarok did a few years ago.
-Marc.
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My head hurts. Who calculates the days to a movie so far out?! :lol
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https://yourcountdown.to/avengers-secret-wars
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My head hurts. Who calculates the days to a movie so far out?! :lol
946 days until my next colonoscopy!!! :) :)
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I always have a specific countdown in my head. Luckily it's easy to remember.
0 days until I disagree with Stadler next.
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I always have a specific countdown in my head. Luckily it's easy to remember.
0 days until I disagree with Stadler next.
Life is better that way. :)
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Gonna spend the next few days doing a rewatch of the phase 4 movies minus Black Widow since I consider it (admittedly incorrectly) phase 3.
Tonight is Shang Chi. Let’s see how they are on a second watch.
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My head hurts. Who calculates the days to a movie so far out?! :lol
946 days until my next colonoscopy!!! :) :)
Dammit! :lol
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So Shang Chi was a bit different on the second run.
I still really love the characters, especially the dad, and thought he was one of our better villains in the MCU.
Initially I thought the whole 3rd act was blah. This time it seemed much shorter than it did the first time. Yes, when it becomes two dragons fighting I tend to zone out because who cares? But it wasn't quite as long as I remember it being, and the stuff around the dumb dragons was good. I do still wish the final act was more Chinese than English, but such is life.
I also had more issues with the overall story structure. The story itself was good, I thought, but the structure seemed to require so much exposition. I get that sometimes exposition is necessary, but this movie is just so full of exposition that it becomes a bit distraction. Rather they show and not tell so much.
That said, really enjoyed the movie and consider it a solid MCU movie. Definitely the 2nd best of phase 4 (after Spider-Man) movie wise. Going to watch Eternals probably tonight. Really hoping I like that more on the second watch, but I'm not hopeful.
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Looking forward to reading your thoughts. I felt the same way about Shang-Chi the second time I saw it regarding the third act.
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I honestly liked The Eternals. I think I was just ready for new characters like Shang-Chi and The Eternals.
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I honestly liked The Eternals. I think I was just ready for new characters like Shang-Chi and The Eternals.
I was really excited for it. I really like the more modern iterations of them in the comics. Sadly the movie was just such a let down. The characters had little similarity to the comics, almost no personality other than the Kingo. And the deviants were turned from a legit interesting species to one of the most boring and cliche marvel villains we’ve ever seen. It had good moments, and I’m hoping the rewatch hits different.
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I never read the comics for The Eternals. I should get on that.
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I honestly liked The Eternals. I think I was just ready for new characters like Shang-Chi and The Eternals.
... Sadly the movie was just such a let down. The characters had ... almost no personality other than the Kingo. And the deviants were turned from a legit interesting species to one of the most boring and cliche marvel villains we’ve ever seen. It had good moments, and I’m hoping the rewatch hits different.
I cut out the parts of your post referring to the comics, because I never read the comics and can't/don't make any comparisons to them. But otherwise, I agree with every word. The above sums up a lot (but not all) of what I hated about the film.
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So on second viewing, Eternals was.........not good.
There things I really liked, so I'll start with those.
1) The visuals were really incredible. Maybe not the dumb CGI dinosaur animals, but the rest of the movie was visually fantastic.
2) Kingo was a great character that got short changed. He had the funniest moments, obviously, but also a really interesting position at the end. He agreed with Ikarus but wouldn't fight any of his friends, so he left. While the execution of that was not very good, the idea was and I wish it got explored more deeply.
3) I liked Gilgamesh a lot more this time around. Had a lot of heart, but he was just not in the movie for very much. So while I enjoyed him, I wish we got more of him.
4) John Snow. Just did a good job with what little was given to him.
What I didn't like (not complete list, just off the top of my head)
1) A counterpoint to the John Snow thing.....when JOHN FREAKING SNOW has more charisma than most of your heroes, then something is terribly wrong. Kingo had a lot of character. Gilgamesh had some (but wasn't around long enough) and Sprite/Irish dude had a little, but the rest were just sad mopey people. Ikarus had no character at all and was just so boring to watch. Even Gemma Chan, who is a very lovely and charismatic actress, felt like she was dead inside the whole movie. Then you had freakin Angelina Jolie and Salma Hayak. Two A list actors and what do they bring to the roles? Not a god damn thing. Both could have been played by mannequins and I doubt it would've mattered much. It was just not pleasant watching almost any of the main characters except for Kingo and his valet, and sometimes Gilgamesh. Ugh. What a waste of talent.
2) Making Eternals robots was just dumb. It didn't add anything, and it made us care about them even less than I did before.
3) THE GOD DAMN DEVIANTS. Ugh. I won't say a lot here cause I've already said it, but how invested can we possibly be in villains that are mindless CGI animals until the last act and then have one guy who has no personality? I just didn't care. I couldn't care. The deviants are supposed to be horribly looking monsters that are very smart and civilized in their own way, not dinosaur animal things. I just hated everything about the Deviants so much.
4) The script. This encompasses a lot of other problems, such as the overall story, the pacing, the dialogue, the motivations, the...everything. It was just a very bad script. I could spend hours discussing all of the ways this script was terrible, but lord Cage was it bad. I hope to all that is Hef that the sequel has a MUCH better script. And it might! You never know.
But yea, overall? Not a great movie. Not even a good movie. Just a real slog with some good ideas thrown in. I hope whatever survives of this movie gets some redemption because we all deserve that.
Next up is Spider-Man: No Way Home. I'm actually nervous to rewatch this. I watched it one time, thus far, opening night at the TLC Chinese Theater in LA. The atmosphere was so immense and the hype was so huge that I worry a rewatch on my TV will be a let down. But I hope not!
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My big problem with No Way Home was the premise itself. No way Strange is that careless with something that could have such far reaching effects for such a dumb reason. The premise of the film should have been something like: Peter first comes to strange just to ask for general help, just as an older mentor, because he doesn't know where else to turn since Stark is gone. While he is there, the situation escalates and there is rioting, etc., over Peter's situation combined with people just feeling frustrated with heroes because of the blip, etc., and people's fear and frustration starts boiling over into hatred and anger toward powered people in general. As a result, Strange and Wong both agree that, for the general good, something has to be done, starting with maybe wiping memories of everyone about Peter's identity. The spell NORMALLY shouldn't have any sort of multiversal effect, so there is little concern, other than the ethical concern of manipulating others' minds, but they determine that that is "the only way" (Strange's personal theme). BUT, due to events in Loki/WandaVision (which can just be vaguely alluded to), the multiverse has been cracked, which causes the bleed over/incursion by the villains and variants.
That, to me, would make a LOT more sense, have much more connective tissue, and not have me thinking throughout the entire film, "This is really fun, but...none of this should even be happening right now because there is no way these people are this dumb to have let it happen in the first place."
That change along would take it from a really good but severely flawed movie to one that is on par with anything Marvel has done and is just about perfect.
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I'll totally agree that the inciting event was pretty bad. I'm sure everyone but Stadler could come up with a much better way of achieving the same goal.
That said, it's a flaw I can mostly look past since the rest of the movie is (to my memory) so good, and I know COVID had a huge impact on the movie since Strange was supposed to come out first and everything. So I'll chalk it up to unexpected problems that had to quickly be resolved. Not an excuse, but at least it's understandable.
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They do make Strangecas extremely cock like ge was as a surgeon so it's not out of the realm that he's cocky eith his powers. Though, we know the comic versions.
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They do make Strangecas extremely cock like ge was as a surgeon so it's not out of the realm that he's cocky eith his powers. Though, we know the comic versions.
You've outdone yourself with that one.
I do think "Strangecas extremely cock" is gonna be a gem.
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They do make Strangecas extremely cock like ge was as a surgeon so it's not out of the realm that he's cocky eith his powers. Though, we know the comic versions.
You've outdone yourself with that one.
I do think "Strangecas extremely cock" is gonna be a gem.
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Holy shit. I'm not even drunk. :lol
Strange is cocky as a doctor so it seems reasonable that he's cocky as a wizard.
Though the comics don't portray him like that.
Proof reading does help! :lol
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I know demand you bow before calling me Strangecas extremely cock. Seems reasonable to me. :lol
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I know demand you bow before calling me Strangecas extremely cock. Seems reasonable to me. :lol
You know demand? How much demand is there? Hopefully supply can meet!
-Marc.
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Or in the case of Stragecas extremely cock, I think "hopefully supply can meat" is more appropriate. Or so I assume.
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I know demand you bow before calling me Strangecas extremely cock. Seems reasonable to me. :lol
You know demand? How much demand is there? Hopefully supply can meet!
-Marc.
Now, know. You know that I now demand ..
Oh shit. Lol
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Or in the case of Stragecas extremely cock, I think "hopefully supply can meat" is more appropriate. Or so I assume.
It's understood.
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I feel like that between No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness, the MCU has kind of lost the plot on Dr. Strange. They don't seem to really know what to do with him or who he is. He seems to mostly just react to stuff and mess things up. I've personally lost track of what he's trying to do as a character and what he's all about.
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Yeah… his actions make him seem almost as much as a bumbling oaf as Thor. But Strwnge still thinks he’s the smartest man in the room at all times.
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A lot of MCU output since A Long Way From Home feels a bit arbitrary and "Why not? That'll do." to me. Except Wanda, Loki and Hawkeye, possibly.
Looking forward to GOTG3 and interested in She Hulk but hopes aren't very high.
It doesn't feel like a problem with the actors.
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So on second viewing, Eternals was.........not good.
There things I really liked, so I'll start with those.
1) The visuals were really incredible. Maybe not the dumb CGI dinosaur animals, but the rest of the movie was visually fantastic.
2) Kingo was a great character that got short changed. He had the funniest moments, obviously, but also a really interesting position at the end. He agreed with Ikarus but wouldn't fight any of his friends, so he left. While the execution of that was not very good, the idea was and I wish it got explored more deeply.
3) I liked Gilgamesh a lot more this time around. Had a lot of heart, but he was just not in the movie for very much. So while I enjoyed him, I wish we got more of him.
4) John Snow. Just did a good job with what little was given to him.
What I didn't like (not complete list, just off the top of my head)
1) A counterpoint to the John Snow thing.....when JOHN FREAKING SNOW has more charisma than most of your heroes, then something is terribly wrong. Kingo had a lot of character. Gilgamesh had some (but wasn't around long enough) and Sprite/Irish dude had a little, but the rest were just sad mopey people. Ikarus had no character at all and was just so boring to watch. Even Gemma Chan, who is a very lovely and charismatic actress, felt like she was dead inside the whole movie. Then you had freakin Angelina Jolie and Salma Hayak. Two A list actors and what do they bring to the roles? Not a god damn thing. Both could have been played by mannequins and I doubt it would've mattered much. It was just not pleasant watching almost any of the main characters except for Kingo and his valet, and sometimes Gilgamesh. Ugh. What a waste of talent.
2) Making Eternals robots was just dumb. It didn't add anything, and it made us care about them even less than I did before.
3) THE GOD DAMN DEVIANTS. Ugh. I won't say a lot here cause I've already said it, but how invested can we possibly be in villains that are mindless CGI animals until the last act and then have one guy who has no personality? I just didn't care. I couldn't care. The deviants are supposed to be horribly looking monsters that are very smart and civilized in their own way, not dinosaur animal things. I just hated everything about the Deviants so much.
4) The script. This encompasses a lot of other problems, such as the overall story, the pacing, the dialogue, the motivations, the...everything. It was just a very bad script. I could spend hours discussing all of the ways this script was terrible, but lord Cage was it bad. I hope to all that is Hef that the sequel has a MUCH better script. And it might! You never know.
But yea, overall? Not a great movie. Not even a good movie. Just a real slog with some good ideas thrown in. I hope whatever survives of this movie gets some redemption because we all deserve that.
Next up is Spider-Man: No Way Home. I'm actually nervous to rewatch this. I watched it one time, thus far, opening night at the TLC Chinese Theater in LA. The atmosphere was so immense and the hype was so huge that I worry a rewatch on my TV will be a let down. But I hope not!
Pretty much sums it up. I'd just add as someone whose never read the comics I didn't really understand some of these characters powers - Gemma Chan's character for example - something to do with water...
I honestly think Marvel should completely ditch The Eternals now, certainly from the MCU anyway.
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@Soupbrah, Gemma Chan's power was changing matter (though she didn't think she could do it to living matter until the end). So she can touch a couch and turn it into water, or sand, or flowers, or whatever she wants.
Anywho, last night was No Way Home. As I said before, I was nervous watching it at home alone a second time would not live up to the hype. I was wrong!
Sure, I didn't get up and cheer or anything, and the few BIG scenes without an audience applause felt a bit odd, but that was about it. I'm not going to give a full review of the movie, since we've all seen it (I assume) and have discussed it already.
But I really love this movie. The inciting incident didn't bug me as much this time around, even if it is dumb, but the resolution bugged me a bit more. Just felt like there could have been a much better way around this. Like maybe right after the whole deal go tell Dr. Strange everything? I dunno. That said, his decision to not tell MJ and Ned his identity was well done.
But yea, the movie is just great. Sure there's a few things I'd change (other than the above mentioned) but I also know COVID had a big impact. I would've liked to see Flint in his human form and not just a scene from SpiderMan 3 reused at the end, and the same for Lizard. But such is life. The movie is just so well done. The pacing is great, the plot (if you can buy into it) is well done, the character work is fantastic, and the characters all have important arcs and growth. That's the thing I really missed from MoM and Thor4. The characters all started and ended the movie in a different place, while in those movies it doesn't feel like they did, other than circumstance changing.
Tonight is MoM. Not terribly pumped, but hopefully now that I know how it will go, I will expect what it is and maybe that will help me enjoy it more? I dunno. We'll see.
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@Soupbrah, Gemma Chan's power was changing matter (though she didn't think she could do it to living matter until the end). So she can touch a couch and turn it into water, or sand, or flowers, or whatever she wants.
Anywho, last night was No Way Home. As I said before, I was nervous watching it at home alone a second time would not live up to the hype. I was wrong!
Sure, I didn't get up and cheer or anything, and the few BIG scenes without an audience applause felt a bit odd, but that was about it. I'm not going to give a full review of the movie, since we've all seen it (I assume) and have discussed it already.
But I really love this movie. The inciting incident didn't bug me as much this time around, even if it is dumb, but the resolution bugged me a bit more. Just felt like there could have been a much better way around this. Like maybe right after the whole deal go tell Dr. Strange everything? I dunno. That said, his decision to not tell MJ and Ned his identity was well done.
But yea, the movie is just great. Sure there's a few things I'd change (other than the above mentioned) but I also know COVID had a big impact. I would've liked to see Flint in his human form and not just a scene from SpiderMan 3 reused at the end, and the same for Lizard. But such is life. The movie is just so well done. The pacing is great, the plot (if you can buy into it) is well done, the character work is fantastic, and the characters all have important arcs and growth. That's the thing I really missed from MoM and Thor4. The characters all started and ended the movie in a different place, while in those movies it doesn't feel like they did, other than circumstance changing.
Tonight is MoM. Not terribly pumped, but hopefully now that I know how it will go, I will expect what it is and maybe that will help me enjoy it more? I dunno. We'll see.
What caught me by surprise during my second watch was how great the movie is from the point they go to Happy's apartment with all 5 villains, until Aunt May dies. Also, how emotional it is when all 3 Spiderman meet. Overall great movie.
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So last night was my rewatch of Multiverse of Madness.
Yea...it's...not good. And I think it's the most frustrating MCU movie for me. I actually might consider this the most unintentionally dumb MCU movie ever (though I can stand to be corrected). Other MCU movies have been worse, or more boring, or whatever, and some (like Love and Thunder) are much much dumber, but intentionally so.
But this movie? It has so many amazing ideas and moments sprinkled throughout. So let's start with those, off the top of my head.
1) America Chavez is just super likeable. While there isn't really much to her character, her powers are inventive and unique, and the actress portraying her is doing a fantastic job and is oozing charisma. I'd love to see her and Ms. Marvel team up.
2) The entire intro until he goes to see Wanda is actually well done and a lot of fun. It has some good character set up (which was sadly ignored until the end) and really gave us the only look into where Dr. Strange is as a character. Plus the action was well done (even if the monsters themselves were meh) and the humor was on point.
3) The 10 second multiverse scene really should've been most of the movie, but it was a great 10 seconds.
4) Aspects of the Illuminati were cool. Loved seeing Captain Carter, the return of Black Bolt (not his demise, that's on the next list), obviously neat seeing Charles, and I loved the idea of how they handled Captain Marvel.
5) Elizabeth Olson is just so god damn good. While I did not like what they did with her character, she still brought her A game and sold a bad character insanely well.
6) Other really cool moments like the cloak of demons, the music fight, etc. all great
7) WONG!
Now....there's probably more, but that's all I can really come up with that isn't a tiny aspect. However, the movie is just a huge mess.
1) The script is bad. It's just bad,. Not 100% of it, by any stretch, but enough that I consider it (as I said above) the unintentionally dumbest MCU movie to date.
2) Wanda's turn from 1-11 all happened off screen. Can I buy that Wanda was corrupted by the Dark Hold and turned her into a villain? Sure. In abstract. But from a story telling perspective, it's poorly done. The last time we see Wanda, she sacrificed her happy life and children because she was healing from her trauma and better able to accept reality, as harsh as it was for her. Then blah blah happens off screen and she's willing to murder ANYONE in the most brutal fashion, and torture people, to get her kids back. Not buying it. Maybe if they had shown that development over the course of a few movies/shows? But not like this.
3) There's a scene where she takes control of America and can control her portals...............JUST DO THAT! If you so desperately want to go to a universe where you have kids (and I guess plan on killing that Wanda, or better yet, finding one where they lost their mom) then just briefly take control of America, open up that portal, and move on through. But no, she has to go full Hitler mode.
4) Dr. Strange just has no real arc or growth other than the bookend. Starts off with "are you happy?" and then ignores it the whole movie, and then ends with "...maybe?" I dunno. It wasn't super clear. He was mostly just present for the movie, not doing a ton.
5) The humor during the Illuminati scene was just poorly done. No way is Strange THAT jokey in that moment.
6) No way the Illuminati is THAT dumb and arrogant. "Oh we can handle your little witch" Oh? Can you? Not even to mention how they all died. But the dumbest? Tie between Mordo and Reed. Reed's stupidity has been discussed, but Mordo? He's gonna sit there and wait till the dead people return to cast their vote? REALLY?!? He's going to put his (newly found) hatred of Strange above all? ALSO THE DUDE CAN"T GET OUT OF THAT LITTLE PIT?!?
7) Yea, the Illuminati stuff was just me rolling my eyes for for 5-10 minutes straight. I've just never seen such a colossal train wreck in the MCU to my memory. All that potential. Wasted.
Eh, I mean that list can go on and on. America's tragedy is a bee sting? There's a god damn exposition company to show us the necessary memories for free while talking about how they charge? The chick who stabbed the dark hold couldn't stab a vulnerable and incapacitated Wanda instead? The Dark hold is a copy and though no one can possibly go there, Wong just kind of goes there no problem? Eh, it's annoying me just thinking about it.
I loved the directing, the acting, etc. But the god damn writing. I retract my statement that editing would've helped. They needed 2-3 re-writes by better writers. The movie just lacked focus or had any idea what it wanted to be and felt like it was in a hurry to end itself.
Ugh.
Well since Thor 4 isn't on streaming/DVD yet, that concludes my phase 4 movie rewatch for now. Half good (Spider-Man and Shang Chi), a quarter bad/boring (Eternals) and a quarter dumb as all hell (MoM).
I have high hopes for Wakanda Forever though. So much so that I'm making sure my fiancée go see it a few days before our wedding, despite all the work we need to do.
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Are you planning on seeing it out here? I'd love to watch your disappointment in real time... :lol
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Are you planning on seeing it out here? I'd love to watch your disappointment in real time... :lol
I'll be staying in San Jose, so probably out there? Why would I be disappointed? I mean, it's possible, but I really hope not. The trailer looked great, and everyone involved seems to be bringing their A game to honor Chadwick.
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Are you planning on seeing it out here? I'd love to watch your disappointment in real time... :lol
I'll be staying in San Jose, so probably out there? Why would I be disappointed? I mean, it's possible, but I really hope not. The trailer looked great, and everyone involved seems to be bringing their A game to honor Chadwick.
I'm just messing with you, I honestly have very high hopes for this one, and agree that nothing will be left on the table... We might be able to manage to see it together, my commute can take me through SJ. We can talk as it gets closer.
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I have high hopes for Wakanda Forever though. So much so that I'm making sure my fiancée go see it a few days before our wedding, despite all the work we need to do.
While I did not like the first BP, I also have high hopes for this one.
Also, congrats!
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I basically agree with most of what Adami wrote for Strange2. Not sure yet what to think about BP2. I thought the first one was "just good." But notwithstanding that and the precipitous drop in quality in phase 4, the trailer has me pretty hyped about the next one.
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Are you planning on seeing it out here? I'd love to watch your disappointment in real time... :lol
:D
I'll be staying in San Jose, so probably out there? Why would I be disappointed? I mean, it's possible, but I really hope not. The trailer looked great, and everyone involved seems to be bringing their A game to honor Chadwick.
I'm just messing with you, I honestly have very high hopes for this one, and agree that nothing will be left on the table... We might be able to manage to see it together, my commute can take me through SJ. We can talk as it gets closer.
That would be cool! We’ll figure it out. :D
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SJ isn't close, but is a lot more manageable than other places you have been. I would love to meet up and go with you guys if you like, and if I can make it work.
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That would be awesome!
I should warn, since I will have a lot going on, I’m going to have to get the tickets to completely revolve around my schedule since I won’t have a ton of flexibility. So if you’re both or either one able to join, tickets are on me.
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That would be awesome!
I should warn, since I will have a lot going on, I’m going to have to get the tickets to completely revolve around my schedule since I won’t have a ton of flexibility. So if you’re both or either one able to join, tickets are on me.
Completely understood about the schedule. Do what you need to do and I will do what I can to make it work, if at all possible.
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Works for me, I can do any show after 5pm Thurs or Fri.
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Re: Adami’s great write up on MoM. Spot on. I can’t stand plot holes you can drive a truck through and they’re just more common now. 95% of the time, it’s the writing that fails these flicks as you certainly can’t fault the visuals or acting (especially Lizzie of course who is freakin sensational). Feige needs to start holding the writers to a higher standard or slow down on the number of projects he’s trying to churn out every year.
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Did anyone check out I Am Groot?
5 episodes, all around 3 minutes or so. I wonder how it will tie into the multiverse.
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https://youtu.be/bLEFqhS5WmI
First look at the special Werewolf By Night, coming October 7th!
-Marc.
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https://youtu.be/bLEFqhS5WmI
First look at the special Werewolf By Night, coming October 7th!
-Marc.
Yea. Can't say I dug that. Though I'm not a horror person and have no connection to classic horror aesthetics at all.
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Feige says no new Fantastic 4 news today :-[
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Feige says no new Fantastic 4 news today :-[
https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1568677649048018944?t=2Ex7MTntjLi0haEU-XYeHw&s=19
Matt Shakman is confirmed as the director for FF.
https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1568676129682374657?t=0r7yoGchwGoC1coNp3_mag&s=19
Armor Wars is still confirmed to be coming, starring Don Cheadle.
-Marc.
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Yeah, saw that after I posted.
Did get the Thunderbolts though!!
Val, Ghost, Red Guardian, Yelena, Bucky, US Agent, Taskmaster
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Yeah, saw that after I posted.
Did get the Thunderbolts though!!
Val, Ghost, Red Guardian, Yelena, Bucky, US Agent, Taskmaster
That one’s gonna be tough. They can either try to make it like The Suicide Squad and fail miserably or they can go in a very different direction. So I’d be curious what tone they go for. Either way, a lot of potential to be amazing or a complete failure.
Or I guess to be boring and dull.
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Yeah, saw that after I posted.
Did get the Thunderbolts though!!
Val, Ghost, Red Guardian, Yelena, Bucky, US Agent, Taskmaster
That one’s gonna be tough. They can either try to make it like The Suicide Squad and fail miserably or they can go in a very different direction. So I’d be curious what tone they go for. Either way, a lot of potential to be amazing or a complete failure.
Or I guess to be boring and dull.
Curious to see what preliminary efforts will be made to maneuver them together, or if it'll just be a shit show mash-up of storytelling like Eternals.
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Also looks like we’re finally getting The Leader in New World Order.
Still hoping for a full BP II trailer in the next few weeks.
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Yeah, saw that after I posted.
Did get the Thunderbolts though!!
Val, Ghost, Red Guardian, Yelena, Bucky, US Agent, Taskmaster
That one’s gonna be tough. They can either try to make it like The Suicide Squad and fail miserably or they can go in a very different direction. So I’d be curious what tone they go for. Either way, a lot of potential to be amazing or a complete failure.
Or I guess to be boring and dull.
Curious to see what preliminary efforts will be made to maneuver them together, or if it'll just be a shit show mash-up of storytelling like Eternals.
Even if there is a fairly simple maneuvering together, the major difference is that we already have varying degrees of backstory for these characters, so it is a lot easier to care.
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Yeah, saw that after I posted.
Did get the Thunderbolts though!!
Val, Ghost, Red Guardian, Yelena, Bucky, US Agent, Taskmaster
That one’s gonna be tough. They can either try to make it like The Suicide Squad and fail miserably or they can go in a very different direction. So I’d be curious what tone they go for. Either way, a lot of potential to be amazing or a complete failure.
Or I guess to be boring and dull.
Curious to see what preliminary efforts will be made to maneuver them together, or if it'll just be a shit show mash-up of storytelling like Eternals.
Even if there is a fairly simple maneuvering together, the major difference is that we already have varying degrees of backstory for these characters, so it is a lot easier to care.
True that...
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One of the biggest issues folks seem to be having about the line-up for Thunderbolts is that all the men (Red Guardian, USAgent, and Bucky) are just super soldiers with no other varying power sets (and two of them have shields), while Ghost is the only one with any super powers. Folks are hoping that Abomination will get drafted in later but they didn't want to say anything concrete in case the ending of She-Hulk has any bearing on his whereabouts in the MCU for the future.
And speaking of characters returning from 2008's The Incredible Hulk, having Tim Blake Nelson return for Captain America: New World Order is probably the biggest jaw-dropping piece of news from Marvel's D23 panel. First General Ross in 2016's Civil War, then Abomination in 2021's Shang-Chi, and now The Leader in 2024. All we need now is for Liv Tyler to return as Betty Ross, and maybe become Red She-Hulk!!
Still hoping for a full BP II trailer in the next few weeks.
Ditto. They showed some new footage at the panel today, but of course it was exclusive to them, like the Quantumania and The Marvels trailers as well. I suspect we won't get a Quantumania teaser for the public until Wakanda Forever releases in November (14 weeks before Quantumania releases). Like recent MCU films, I think they're playing this close to the chest, releasing trailers closer and closer to the premiere dates rather than months in advance like they used to, which is fine by me. There's enough MCU content spread throughout the year between films and Disney+ that I don't need a film trailer 5-7 months ahead of its release date.
-Marc.
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‘DEADPOOL 3’ will release on September 9, 2024.
Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman will return as Deadpool and Wolverine.
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‘DEADPOOL 3’ will release on September 9, 2024.
Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman will return as Deadpool and Wolverine.
First of all, WOW.
Second of all, you need to post the announcement video which is pure perfection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYk1OGfnDJI
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Ryan Reynolds. You magnificent bastard.
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Cool. Now we just have to wait two years and hope something doesn't happen between now and then.
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I just texted my buddy that forced me to see Deadpool and told him that Ryan better not be yanking our chain. This is the dream!
As a huge fan of Hugh as Wolvie and obviously Deadpool, this can't come soon enough.
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I don't know how to feel about this. Guess we'll have to wait 2 years to find out.
Love both characters, but bringing back Jackman as Wolverine feels like a strange move (I guess that's the multiverse we are getting).
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Ryan Reynolds just posted this on twitter:
Quick explainer video that tackles…
1) Timeline questions
2) Logan canon
3) MCU FAQ
4) Whether we can do this all day or not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szj1iqYanFM
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Both videos are hilarious.
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I hope I'm wrong, but I tend to think this is bullshit.
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I hope I'm wrong, but I tend to think this is bullshit.
Why? I don't even think Ryan Reynolds would pull a stunt like that, and Hugh Jackman definitely wouldn't. At least not on a day that isn't April 1st.
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I mean, it was announced a while back that Deadpool 3 would be part of the MCU. With Professor X making an appearance on Dr. Strange, Wolverine was not only a possibility, but kind of expected even if for just a cameo.
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It kinda brings things full circle, doesn't it? Wasn't the "original" (non-MCU) Deadpool introduced in an X-Men movie?
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It kinda brings things full circle, doesn't it? Wasn't the "original" (non-MCU) Deadpool introduced in an X-Men movie?
A version of Wade Wilson/Deadpool was in the X-Men Origins: Wolverine spin-off film (Logan's first solo film). Ryan Reynolds portrayed him then bit was very unsatisfied with how it turned out and spent years using his own money and resources trying to convince Fox to let him do it right. Eventually he made a sizzle reel that was released or leaked and fan response was so overwhelmingly positive that Fox green lit Ryan's Deadpool film. Definitely a good idea considering how successful Deadpool 1 and 2 have been.
So now that Deadpool is coming to the MCU, is seems fitting that he gets to have Wolverine in it. My favorite plot theory is that the film will borrow from the comic "Deadpool Kills The Marvel Universe" but it'll be him killing the Fox Marvel Universe as he drags a Logan variant with him through timelines before landing in the MCU.
Either way, it's sure to he a banger of a buddy/bromance film with those two and I hope they make the most of it.
-Marc.
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It kinda brings things full circle, doesn't it? Wasn't the "original" (non-MCU) Deadpool introduced in an X-Men movie?
A version of Wade Wilson/Deadpool was in the X-Men Origins: Wolverine spin-off film (Logan's first solo film). Ryan Reynolds portrayed him then bit was very unsatisfied with how it turned out and spent years using his own money and resources trying to convince Fox to let him do it right. Eventually he made a sizzle reel that was released or leaked and fan response was so overwhelmingly positive that Fox green lit Ryan's Deadpool film. Definitely a good idea considering how successful Deadpool 1 and 2 have been.
So now that Deadpool is coming to the MCU, is seems fitting that he gets to have Wolverine in it. My favorite plot theory is that the film will borrow from the comic "Deadpool Kills The Marvel Universe" but it'll be him killing the Fox Marvel Universe as he drags a Logan variant with him through timelines before landing in the MCU.
Either way, it's sure to he a banger of a buddy/bromance film with those two and I hope they make the most of it.
-Marc.
That would be the most amazing thing ever.
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It kinda brings things full circle, doesn't it? Wasn't the "original" (non-MCU) Deadpool introduced in an X-Men movie?
A version of Wade Wilson/Deadpool was in the X-Men Origins: Wolverine spin-off film (Logan's first solo film).
Ah, that's right. I thought I remembered it being something like that.
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With how Ryan and Hugh have been going at it for years (I mean, he opens Deadpool dreaming wistfully of Wolverine and Hugh), there is NO WAY this is a bit. They would get crucified, and rightfully so. Those of us who love the X-Men movies and dreamt of Ryan and Hugh finally getting together would revolt, hard.
That multiverse theory above would indeed be awesome. I'm just hoping for a buddy cop kind of thing where Deadpool just keeps pushing Wolvie's buttons and they just go back and forth all movie while fighting something. I really don't care what, I just don't want a cameo. Needs to be full on.
EDIT: I just had a funny idea where Wolverine just keeps 'killing' Deadpool all movie long when he keeps pissing him off.
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Absolutely agree, it must be 100%
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So I just read that the Multiverse of Madness writer will be doing Secret Wars.....which makes me nervous. That was an awfully written movie, and I truly hope the dude gets reigned in more or does a better job this time. Or maybe even had a better cowriter.
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So I just read that the Multiverse of Madness writer will be doing Secret Wars.....which makes me nervous. That was an awfully written movie, and I truly hope the dude gets reigned in more or does a better job this time. Or maybe even had a better cowriter.
On the other side of that, Michael Waldron is also the writer for Loki on Disney+, which I think speaks better to his writing strengths, though if you didn't like that as much as DSITMOM, then I guess your worries would be warranted.
I think having Waldron write Secret Wars is a coin-flip - on one hand, it could provide some great character moments and development, a la Loki, but on the other hand, it could be filled with needless spoken exposition and flagrant fanservice, a la DSITMOM. Either way, I think the script will go through many drafts and iterations before it gets filmed, and I'm sure Kevin Feige will have a more hands-on approach with it considering it'll be a huge tentpole film for the MCU and wrapping up the Multiverse Saga.
-Marc.
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So I just read that the Multiverse of Madness writer will be doing Secret Wars.....which makes me nervous. That was an awfully written movie, and I truly hope the dude gets reigned in more or does a better job this time. Or maybe even had a better cowriter.
On the other side of that, Michael Waldron is also the writer for Loki on Disney+, which I think speaks better to his writing strengths, though if you didn't like that as much as DSITMOM, then I guess your worries would be warranted.
I think having Waldron write Secret Wars is a coin-flip - on one hand, it could provide some great character moments and development, a la Loki, but on the other hand, it could be filled with needless spoken exposition and flagrant fanservice, a la DSITMOM. Either way, I think the script will go through many drafts and iterations before it gets filmed, and I'm sure Kevin Feige will have a more hands-on approach with it considering it'll be a huge tentpole film for the MCU and wrapping up the Multiverse Saga.
-Marc.
Eh. I looked it up, he wrote the first and last episode. The first was great and the last was...meh. But both episodes are filled to the brim with exposition. It seems that's his thing?
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So I just read that the Multiverse of Madness writer will be doing Secret Wars.....which makes me nervous. That was an awfully written movie, and I truly hope the dude gets reigned in more or does a better job this time. Or maybe even had a better cowriter.
On the other side of that, Michael Waldron is also the writer for Loki on Disney+, which I think speaks better to his writing strengths, though if you didn't like that as much as DSITMOM, then I guess your worries would be warranted.
I think having Waldron write Secret Wars is a coin-flip - on one hand, it could provide some great character moments and development, a la Loki, but on the other hand, it could be filled with needless spoken exposition and flagrant fanservice, a la DSITMOM. Either way, I think the script will go through many drafts and iterations before it gets filmed, and I'm sure Kevin Feige will have a more hands-on approach with it considering it'll be a huge tentpole film for the MCU and wrapping up the Multiverse Saga.
-Marc.
Eh. I looked it up, he wrote the first and last episode. The first was great and the last was...meh. But both episodes are filled to the brim with exposition. It seems that's his thing?
Ahh okay, I knew he created the series, so I assumed he had written every episode, but yeah, you're right - episodes one and six were fairly exposition heavy, but IMO, they weren't boring or contrived like parts of MOM.
Either way, I remain cautiously optimistic. I don't think Feige and co. would let an Avengers film be anything less than spectacular, especially after Infinity War and Endgame. If they plan to film both Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars back-to-back, a la Infinity War and Endgame, they've got another year or so before filming begins, which gives Marvel Studios plenty of time to get through some drafts of the script. It won't surprise me if we hear that it goes through rewrites with other writers coming on board.
-Marc.
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Fun fact: In (American) television, the "created by" credit goes to the credited screenwriter(s) for the pilot episode of a show. I'm not sure if streaming shows have the same rules, though.
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So has anyone else caught the Werewolf By Night special on Disney +?
I really enjoyed it. Perfect for a a special. Not enough there for a film or even a series, but 55 minutes was just about right. I loved the black and white, and the music was fantastic, which makes sense, since it was directed by a composer.
Very tasty. I also really liked Ted.
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It made me want to see more. It was well done.
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Haven’t seen it. Wasn’t impressed by the trailer (not a horror fan or a monster movie fan) but all of the reviews have been amazing. So I’ll try to see it this week.
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It was TOTALLY worth it. Very well done. The chick kinda had an Anne Hathaway vibe about her.
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Really enjoyed Werewolf By Night. I was though expecting it to be much more scary and horror like than it actually was. The female lead Laura Donnelly is just fantastic. I first came across her in the show The Nevers, where she was also excellent and by far the best thing about that show. Ted was also awesome.
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Really enjoyed Werewolf By Night. I was though expecting it to be much more scary and horror like than it actually was. The female lead Laura Donnelly is just fantastic. I first came across her in the show The Nevers, where she was also excellent and by far the best thing about that show. Ted was also awesome.
I love Laura Donnelly. She also has a recurring role on Outlander.
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‘AVENGERS: SECRET WARS’ has been delayed to May 1, 2026.
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‘AVENGERS: SECRET WARS’ has been delayed to May 1, 2026.
Yea, looks like Blade, FF, and Deadpool are also delayed.
Seems like a good move. Given the changes in directors/writers for some of them, more time is good. Rather they take their time and get right than rush to appease the masses. Plus we get a new Avengers in 2025 either way.
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Got my Wakanda Forever tix for opening night. Very excited for this one.
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Got my Wakanda Forever tix for opening night. Very excited for this one.
YOU WOUND ME SIR!
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Got my Wakanda Forever tix for opening night. Very excited for this one.
YOU WOUND ME SIR!
Sorry boo :-*
(I mean, I'd be talking about getting off at 2, driving at least an hour home, then almost an hour back, all through I680 Friday Afternoon traffic which makes a root canal look pleasant)
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Got my Wakanda Forever tix for opening night. Very excited for this one.
YOU WOUND ME SIR!
Sorry boo :-*
(I mean, I'd be talking about getting off at 2, driving at least an hour home, then almost an hour back, all through I680 Friday Afternoon traffic which makes a root canal look pleasant)
AND I'M NOT WORTH THAT?!?!
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Got my Wakanda Forever tix for opening night. Very excited for this one.
YOU WOUND ME SIR!
Sorry boo :-*
(I mean, I'd be talking about getting off at 2, driving at least an hour home, then almost an hour back, all through I680 Friday Afternoon traffic which makes a root canal look pleasant)
AND I'M NOT WORTH THAT?!?!
Aren't we hanging out the whole next day together?
And I'll be wearing a tie? A TIE!!!!!
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A tie?
I mean.....yea.....you got a point. :-*
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‘AVENGERS: SECRET WARS’ has been delayed to May 1, 2026.
Yea, looks like Blade, FF, and Deadpool are also delayed.
Seems like a good move. Given the changes in directors/writers for some of them, more time is good. Rather they take their time and get right than rush to appease the masses. Plus we get a new Avengers in 2025 either way.
New release date for MCU films
#Blade — Sept 6, 2024
#Deadpool3 — Nov 8, 2024
#FantasticFour — Feb 14, 2025
#AvengersSecretWars May 1, 2026
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Really enjoyed Werewolf By Night. I was though expecting it to be much more scary and horror like than it actually was. The female lead Laura Donnelly is just fantastic. I first came across her in the show The Nevers, where she was also excellent and by far the best thing about that show. Ted was also awesome.
I love Laura Donnelly. She also has a recurring role on Outlander.
Never watched Outlander, I might have to start...
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‘AVENGERS: SECRET WARS’ has been delayed to May 1, 2026.
Yea, looks like Blade, FF, and Deadpool are also delayed.
Seems like a good move. Given the changes in directors/writers for some of them, more time is good. Rather they take their time and get right than rush to appease the masses. Plus we get a new Avengers in 2025 either way.
New release date for MCU films
#Blade — Sept 6, 2024
#Deadpool3 — Nov 8, 2024
#FantasticFour — Feb 14, 2025
#AvengersSecretWars May 1, 2026
And here's the complete film line-up for Phases 5 and 6:
Phase Five:
Ant-Man And The Wasp: Quantumania - 2/17/23
Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 3 - 5/5/23
The Marvels - 7/28/23
Unknown - 11/3/23 (formerly Blade's release date)
Unknown - 2/16/24 (was once on the schedule but never assigned a film)
Captain America: New World Order - 5/3/24
Thunderbolts - 7/26/24
Blade - 9/6/24 (formerly Deadpool 3's release date)
Phase Six:
Deadpool 3 - 11/8/24 (formerly Fantastic Four's release date)
Fantastic Four - 2/4/25
Avengers: The Kang Dynasty - 5/2/25
Unknown - 7/25/25
Unknown - 11/7/25 (formerly Secret Wars' release date)
Unknown - 2/13/26
Avengers: Secret Wars - 5/1/26
Future 2026 dates:
July 24th, 2026
November 6th, 2026
And of those Unknown film dates, they could slot in any of the following, which are all in some stage of development:
X-Men/Mutants Film (probably not until after Secret Wars)
Shang-Chi 2 (probably not until after Kang Dynasty, as Destin Daniel Cretton will be directing that)
Eternals 2 (definitely likely before Secret Wars now with some open dates in the mix)
Spider-Man 4 (I could see this happening in 2024)
Armor Wars (originally a Disney+ series, but now as a film, it could probably land Blade's old release date if they finish it quickly)
-Marc.
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So has anyone else caught the Werewolf By Night special on Disney +?
I really enjoyed it. Perfect for a a special. Not enough there for a film or even a series, but 55 minutes was just about right. I loved the black and white, and the music was fantastic, which makes sense, since it was directed by a composer.
Very tasty. I also really liked Ted.
Late to the party here, but finally saw it last night. I really enjoyed it. I think everything you said is about right to me. The twist was very obvious, but then again, I don't think they were trying at all to hide it.
I will say I was a bit confused by the TV-14 rating. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention, but I didn't see anything that warranted that.
Overall, this show is another great example of Marvel getting creative and "coloring outside the lines," and getting it right.
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So has anyone else caught the Werewolf By Night special on Disney +?
I really enjoyed it. Perfect for a a special. Not enough there for a film or even a series, but 55 minutes was just about right. I loved the black and white, and the music was fantastic, which makes sense, since it was directed by a composer.
Very tasty. I also really liked Ted.
Late to the party here, but finally saw it last night. I really enjoyed it. I think everything you said is about right to me. The twist was very obvious, but then again, I don't think they were trying at all to hide it.
I will say I was a bit confused by the TV-14 rating. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention, but I didn't see anything that warranted that.
Overall, this show is another great example of Marvel getting creative and "coloring outside the lines," and getting it right.
There was a lot of blood in that one scene, but it's less in your face in b&w than it would have been in color.
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Yeah, that big scene near the end may have gotten a TV-MA rating if it wasn't in black & white.
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Trailer for Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special (11/25): https://youtu.be/OYhFFQl4fLs
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Looks fun :tup
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I love it when actors don't take themselves too seriously and just go with the flow when a silly/crazy script comes around based on their celebrity. [spoiler] is pretty well known for that. Pretty cool guy in my book.
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Nice. Looking forward. Will save it for Christmas Day. 🙂
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Yahya Abdul-Mateen II cast as Wonder Man for Disney+ series
https://nerdist.com/article/yahya-abdul-mateen-ii-cast-as-wonder-man-marvel-aquaman-black-manta/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social+flow&fbclid=IwAR3MnPQs-wCT7Mf7j0nIqOG4kztwjS1dFYjed3fP1-BA72wmpgEvuFtV_ds
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Wonder Man?
I'm sorry, but that just makes me laugh. I'm sure he has a great and honored backstory, but sometimes the very names of some of these superheroes are just silly.
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Wonder Man?
I'm sorry, but that just makes me laugh. I'm sure he has a great and honored backstory, but sometimes the very names of some of these superheroes are just silly.
I don't know if I would say "great and honored", but he definitely has a backstory lol
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Have we bust across the maximum-number-of-superhero-characters-the-general-non-comicbook-public-can-give-a-fuck-about threshold yet?
Edit: I'm definitely a nerd and, although I'm not a particular fan of costumed hero comics (more a crime/noir/sci-fi/fantasy guy), I think I've read and enjoyed a great deal more of them than the average UK MCU watcher and I'm definitely going to need some really fantastic product from the MCU in the next year or so to keep me more than cursorily interested.
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Have we bust across the maximum-number-of-superhero-characters-the-general-non-comicbook-public-can-give-a-fuck-about threshold yet?
Clearly not.
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Have we bust across the maximum-number-of-superhero-characters-the-general-non-comicbook-public-can-give-a-fuck-about threshold yet?
The MCU hit that a long time ago. No one (except maybe me) gave a crap about the Guardians of the Galaxy before the movie. Doubt anyone cared much about Black Panther, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Ant-Man, Shang Chi, Wanda Maximoff, Hawkeye, etc. before they debuted in the MCU. But they've largely been quit well received.
I think one thing holding back the DCU is that they've largely (minus a few films) tried to stick to the most popular characters only, while Marvel just tried to do a good job executing whatever and trusted in that, rather than how well known the characters were first.
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Have we bust across the maximum-number-of-superhero-characters-the-general-non-comicbook-public-can-give-a-fuck-about threshold yet?
The MCU hit that a long time ago. No one (except maybe me) gave a crap about the Guardians of the Galaxy before the movie. Doubt anyone cared much about Black Panther, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Ant-Man, Shang Chi, Wanda Maximoff, Hawkeye, etc. before they debuted in the MCU. But they've largely been quit well received.
That's absolutely been a triumph for the MCU. Very impressive. I couldn't have given two shits about Cap A before the MCU movies, for example, but how they portrayed him rules.
I think one thing holding back the DCU is that they've largely (minus a few films) tried to stick to the most popular characters only, while Marvel just tried to do a good job executing whatever and trusted in that, rather than how well known the characters were first.
I've lacked almost any interest in the DCU. Just feels like no fun. I grew up watching Christopher Reeve and Lynda Carter so would love a good interpretation of the big guns. (Gal Gadot is great casting, mind.)
Have we bust across the maximum-number-of-superhero-characters-the-general-non-comicbook-public-can-give-a-fuck-about threshold yet?
Clearly not.
My perception of this is that I'm still paying attention to see what they come up with and watching what comes out - but none of my circle of friends, family or work colleagues are anymore, including my teenage kids.
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That's all true. And it's entirely possible that Wonder Man will be a very cool character on screen and have some very entertaining movies.
I'm only a slightly bigger fan than average of comic books, having had one good friend growing up who was a huge comic book nerd, and I'll admit that some of it appeals to me. Probably appeals to the same part of me that enjoys sci-fi and fantasy. Real life is boring; give me otherworldly stuff, stuff beyond the norm. But at the same time, I understand why a lot of people think it's just silly. And "Wonder Man" makes me laugh because the first thing I think of is "Wonder Woman's husband" which is silly, and I laugh at my own (bad) joke.
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I grew up reading comics thanks to my older brother, and collected them through high school. Even after that, I kept up with news and stories online every now and then, so when the MCU hit several years later, I was already all-in, and now 14 years since Iron Man, I'm still all in.
The rumblings about Wonder Man happening soon have piqued my interest greatly, mostly because of how he's tied to Wanda Maximoff and The Vision in the comics, so I hope they retain some of that in the MCU. It's also interesting that, with the casting announcement of Wonder Man/Simon Williams, that it's been rumored that Marvel Studios is developing a Paul Bettany/Vision show for Disney+ titled Vision Quest, named after an arc in the comics. Supposedly, it'll be about the White Vision (last seen in WandaVision) trying to figure out who he is and what his purpose is in the world, so I suspect that that may tie in Wonder Man and/or other properties happening in the next 3 years as we move through Phases Five and Six.
-Marc.
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Have we bust across the maximum-number-of-superhero-characters-the-general-non-comicbook-public-can-give-a-fuck-about threshold yet?
The MCU hit that a long time ago. No one (except maybe me) gave a crap about the Guardians of the Galaxy before the movie. Doubt anyone cared much about Black Panther, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Ant-Man, Shang Chi, Wanda Maximoff, Hawkeye, etc. before they debuted in the MCU. But they've largely been quit well received.
True for me for all of those except Wanda. I was a huge Vision and Scarlet Witch fan in the '80s. Hawkeye was cool too. But the other ones...yeah, absolutely. As I've said many a time, I love that Marvel took a lot of characters I didn't know or care about strictly from the comics and made me care a great deal about their stories.
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Have we bust across the maximum-number-of-superhero-characters-the-general-non-comicbook-public-can-give-a-fuck-about threshold yet?
The MCU hit that a long time ago. No one (except maybe me) gave a crap about the Guardians of the Galaxy before the movie. Doubt anyone cared much about Black Panther, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Ant-Man, Shang Chi, Wanda Maximoff, Hawkeye, etc. before they debuted in the MCU. But they've largely been quit well received.
True for me for all of those except Wanda. I was a huge Vision and Scarlet Witch fan in the '80s. Hawkeye was cool too. But the other ones...yeah, absolutely. As I've said many a time, I love that Marvel took a lot of characters I didn't know or care about strictly from the comics and made me care a great deal about their stories.
Not to derail the conversation, but for me, this is what I miss about phase 1-3. I have enjoyed mostly everything in Phase 4, but I am more interested in the bigger story than the individual characters, and that was not the case in the infinity saga.
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-Knock knock
-Who's there?
-Door mom
-Door mom who?
-Door mom who, I've come to bargain
:neverusethis:
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-Knock knock
-Who's there?
-Door mom
-Door mom who?
-Door mom who, I've come to bargain
:neverusethis:
lol
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Just watched the Guardian's Christmas special...pretty stupid, with some heavy handed humor, a good deal of fun, and one piece of info that'll probably come into play later.
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one piece of info that'll probably come into play later.
So since it's Marvel, you're saying that whatever happens in this special is canon, right? 'Cause everything is. The movies, the shorts, the TV shows, the animated stuff, why not the Christmas special?
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one piece of info that'll probably come into play later.
So since it's Marvel, you're saying that whatever happens in this special is canon, right? 'Cause everything is. The movies, the shorts, the TV shows, the animated stuff, why not the Christmas special?
Not sure how much of it they want to draw out, but as I said, they do drop one bit of info that'll probably come into play in GoTG III.... Tiny text incoming if you don't want to watch the damn thing... (Mantis is actually the half sibling of Peter Quill, Ego was her father as well )
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It's not worth watching just for that little tidbit of new information.
It's worth watching because it's delightful as hell. I really enjoyed it. It wasn't groundbreaking or anything, but it was exactly what it set out to be. A fun, heart warming, silly, holiday special. And it succeeded perfectly.
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I did say in my initial post it was a good deal of fun.
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I did say in my initial post it was a good deal of fun.
Oh for sure, that was more for people who are hoping to watch it for the sole purpose of seeing how it connects to Kang or something. It's just a fun watch on its own.
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Yeah, I was going to watch it anyway. I guess it was really just a comment on how everything in the MCU is canon. I do appreciate how they're very careful to make sure things stand on their own, yet reward those who do catch everything can put it all together.
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Saw the Christmas special last night and I thought it was fun, liked it a lot.
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It was cheesy and stupid, and relied WAY too heavily on '70s/'80s holiday special tropes. And that is why I loved it.
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We watched it tonight. I laughed much. Very entertaining.
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Finally had time to watch the GOTG Holiday Special last night.
Very entertaining. I can't believe Kevin Bacon agreed to do that lol
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Finally had time to watch the GOTG Holiday Special last night.
Very entertaining. I can't believe Kevin Bacon agreed to do that lol
Apparently he signed on to do it without even knowing his role. They just asked (years ago) if he wanted to be in a Guardian's special and he said yes. Seems like a cool dude.
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Finally had time to watch the GOTG Holiday Special last night.
Very entertaining. I can't believe Kevin Bacon agreed to do that lol
Apparently he signed on to do it without even knowing his role. They just asked (years ago) if he wanted to be in a Guardian's special and he said yes. Seems like a cool dude.
I read that Gunn had a backup actor in case Bacon backed out. That would have been interesting.
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Finally had time to watch the GOTG Holiday Special last night.
Very entertaining. I can't believe Kevin Bacon agreed to do that lol
Apparently he signed on to do it without even knowing his role. They just asked (years ago) if he wanted to be in a Guardian's special and he said yes. Seems like a cool dude.
I read that Gunn had a backup actor in case Bacon backed out. That would have been interesting.
Sean Gunn?
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Lizzie with 2 Peoples’ Choice awards? Yes please.
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So I've been reading a lot of rumors about The Sentry having a big role in Cap 4, Thunderbolts, and then his own movie.
Since that's one of my favorite Marvel characters of the last 20 years, I'm a bit nervous. He's very complicated but also WAY over powered for the MCU and I'm worried they will water him down to the point of being pretty boring. I dunno. I will remain hopeful but skeptical to see if they ever do anything with it.
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So I've been reading a lot of rumors about The Sentry having a big role in Cap 4, Thunderbolts, and then his own movie.
Since that's one of my favorite Marvel characters of the last 20 years, I'm a bit nervous. He's very complicated but also WAY over powered for the MCU and I'm worried they will water him down to the point of being pretty boring. I dunno. I will remain hopeful but skeptical to see if they ever do anything with it.
Could be interesting, and probably why I've seen a lot of folks fancasting Henry Cavill in the role (especially now that he's no longer employed by WBD/DC).
Admittedly, I don't know much about the character since I stopped really keeping up with comics nearly two decades ago, but it would be neat!
-Marc.
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So I've been reading a lot of rumors about The Sentry having a big role in Cap 4, Thunderbolts, and then his own movie.
Since that's one of my favorite Marvel characters of the last 20 years, I'm a bit nervous. He's very complicated but also WAY over powered for the MCU and I'm worried they will water him down to the point of being pretty boring. I dunno. I will remain hopeful but skeptical to see if they ever do anything with it.
Could be interesting, and probably why I've seen a lot of folks fancasting Henry Cavill in the role (especially now that he's no longer employed by WBD/DC).
Admittedly, I don't know much about the character since I stopped really keeping up with comics nearly two decades ago, but it would be neat!
-Marc.
I don't think the actor you mentioned would work at all for this character, but I've definitely seen him fan cast as Hyperion, who is basically Marvel's Super Man, so a bit obvious and on the nose.
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So I've been reading a lot of rumors about The Sentry having a big role in Cap 4, Thunderbolts, and then his own movie.
Since that's one of my favorite Marvel characters of the last 20 years, I'm a bit nervous. He's very complicated but also WAY over powered for the MCU and I'm worried they will water him down to the point of being pretty boring. I dunno. I will remain hopeful but skeptical to see if they ever do anything with it.
Could be interesting, and probably why I've seen a lot of folks fancasting Henry Cavill in the role (especially now that he's no longer employed by WBD/DC).
Admittedly, I don't know much about the character since I stopped really keeping up with comics nearly two decades ago, but it would be neat!
-Marc.
I don't think the actor you mentioned would work at all for this character, but I've definitely seen him fan cast as Hyperion, who is basically Marvel's Super Man, so a bit obvious and on the nose.
I've seen that too, which is even more obvious and on the nose as you said, but either way, it would be neat to see him in the MCU. Interesting rumors, though, which I've caught up on reading. It seem like NWO/Thunderbolts will be the big summer event of 2024, and I can't wait. I am way more excited for every film in Phase 5 than I was for Phase 4, which had me feeling curious and interested, but Phase 5 brings me back to Phase 2/3 levels of excitement, and it probably helps that we are getting four sequels (two closing out trilogies, a 2nd film and a 4th film in their respective series), a team-up movie (FINALLY), and the return of Blade to the big screen. All VERY exciting stuff.
-Marc.
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Just watched the GOTG Holiday Special together with the fam. Great stuff. They really hit the tone just right. :tup
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I don’t know much about who you mentioned Adami … only really his role in WW Hulk. And didnt he have a part in Annihilation as well? From what I’ve seen of him, yeah … definitely over powered.
I would lov, love, LOVE an appearance sometime by Squadron Sinister/Supreme.
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I was today years old when I realized that Yondu is the evil dad from Mallrats.
“Would you like a chocolate covered pretzel? They’re a little melty, but BOY are they good!”
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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I was today years old when I realized that Yondu is the evil dad from Mallrats.
“Would you like a chocolate covered pretzel? They’re a little melty, but BOY are they good!”
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Oh, yeah! :lol
I love those actors that you see everywhere over the years but rarely know the name of. They're the unsung heroes of the film and tv industry.
He's been in a lot. I don't want to Google it but S1 of The Walking Dead is another one that springs to mind.
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Oooh just saw Lizzie’s video announcing she would be at Comic-Con next year. Promoting her possible role in the Agatha series maybe?
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Controversial but maybe not too controversial opinion: Black Widow (the movie) didn't make me like Yelena very much. Hawkeye very much DID make me like Yelena. And rewatching Black Widow after seeing Hawkeye made me LOVE Yelena.
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I'm with you on the first two parts. I haven't watched Black Widow again since seeing Hawkeye, so I can't weigh in on part three. But it makes sense to me.
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Controversial but maybe not too controversial opinion: Black Widow (the movie) didn't make me like Yelena very much. Hawkeye very much DID make me like Yelena. And re-watching Black Widow after seeing Hawkeye made me LOVE Yelena.
I don't think it's controversial bosk1! That was a 2 hour movie. A storyline can flush out a character. Now if you're talking Captain America, sure, they can flush him out more in movies because A) he's the lead character, B) multiple movies to do so. If she was the main character, they would have had a more detailed background.
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The moment Yelena dropped the line "I doubt the God from space needs an ibuprofen after a fight" I was head over heels in love with her.
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I walked away from Black Widow likely only a handful of things and Yelena was in there.
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So it turns out I know (through the internet) the guy who is writing the new Blade movie. Turns out he’s a big Milwaukee Bucks fan and he’s been a part of the Bucks forum on the RealGM website for years.
Crazy.
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Phase 4 needed Phase 5 broadcast incoming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMWsaRknjuk
I am pumped
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Just heard during the Super Bowl we're supposed to get trailers for GOTG3 and The Marvels.
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The Marvels are the big pull for me. I kind of know the baseline for the new GOTG from the 1st 2 trailers.
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Just heard during the Super Bowl we're supposed to get trailers for GOTG3 and The Marvels.
If they can somehow either manage to make Captain Marvel NOT insufferable, of if she takes a back set and the other characters take the spotlight, The Marvels could be decent.
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Insufferable?
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Just heard during the Super Bowl we're supposed to get trailers for GOTG3 and The Marvels.
If they can somehow either manage to make Captain Marvel NOT insufferable, of if she takes a back set and the other characters take the spotlight, The Marvels could be decent.
Insufferable?
Yeah, I don't get it either. If folks had issues with Captain Marvel in her first film, they probably don't understand that that's how she was SUPPOSED to be. She was a brainwashed soldier who was brought up to be the way we see her in the beginning of the film. She had to learn about her real past and eventually change. Even her character in Endgame seemed to be much different than she was in her first solo film, so I expect her characterization to follow suit in The Marvels. especially interacting with Monica and Kamala.
-Marc.
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I had not a single problem with Captain Marvel, personally.
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Captain Marvel was fine. Not incredibly exciting though. Her short time in Endgame was fun to watch. I think most people's problem was Brie Larson being a plank of wood. Hopefully she has more of a personality in the new movie.
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Captain Marvel was fine. Not incredibly exciting though. Her short time in Endgame was fun to watch. I think most people's problem was Brie Larson being a plank of wood. Hopefully she has more of a personality in the new movie.
I think those folks who saw Brie as a "plank of wood" didn't realize that that was Carol Danvers being a plank of wood. She was a victim of Kree indoctrination, but now that she's gotten away from that, hopefully they write her to be less wooden in The Marvels.
-Marc.
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I agree. It was the awful writing to blame.
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Love that description - plank of wood. I think no matter whether there are reasons for this or not, she definitely came across this way to me in the Captain Marvel movie especially (I think she was slightly better in Endgame). You still have to connect with the audience and from where I sit this performance didn't accomplish that.
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Captain Marvel is a great movie. More Sam Jackson as Nick Fury, Ben Mendelsohn as Talos produced a great character, Goose. It's a solid plot with a correct balance of comedy and action, very watchable film. The only issue is it probably should have come out in Phase 2.
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Captain Marvel was fine. Not incredibly exciting though. Her short time in Endgame was fun to watch. I think most people's problem was Brie Larson being a plank of wood. Hopefully she has more of a personality in the new movie.
I think those folks who saw Brie as a "plank of wood" didn't realize that that was Carol Danvers being a plank of wood. She was a victim of Kree indoctrination, but now that she's gotten away from that, hopefully they write her to be less wooden in The Marvels.
-Marc.
It had nothing to do with Carol Danvers or Captain Marvel (The characters), it was Brie's lack of personality in her performance. The plot was fine, but as good as Marvel has been with casting, Brie Larson was a huge "swing and a miss" casting for the character.
With that said, I am excited to see a trailer :corn
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Captain Marvel was fine. Not incredibly exciting though. Her short time in Endgame was fun to watch. I think most people's problem was Brie Larson being a plank of wood. Hopefully she has more of a personality in the new movie.
I think those folks who saw Brie as a "plank of wood" didn't realize that that was Carol Danvers being a plank of wood. She was a victim of Kree indoctrination, but now that she's gotten away from that, hopefully they write her to be less wooden in The Marvels.
-Marc.
It had nothing to do with Carol Danvers or Captain Marvel (The characters), it was Brie's lack of personality in her performance. The plot was fine, but as good as Marvel has been with casting, Brie Larson was a huge "swing and a miss" casting for the character.
With that said, I am excited to see a trailer :corn
It's not about the plot, though that wasn't great either, it was how they wrote and directed her character.
Brie is an amazing actress. If she's wooden and lifeless, it's because the script/directors didn't give her other direction.
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I'd take Brie performance over Gemma Chan in The Eternals.
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I'd take Brie performance over Gemma Chan in The Eternals.
Oh good lord. Talk about a whole movie of flat performances minus the valet and Kit.
When Jon Snow is one of the most emotive and fun characters in your movie, you done messed up somewhere.
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I'd take Brie performance over Gemma Chan in The Eternals.
Learn something new every day, I looked her up since i didn't recognize the name, and did not know she was also in Captain Marvel. But yeah, her role in Eternals was pretty flat.
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Captain Marvel is a great movie.
:rollin Said nobody ever. Let's not forget that it finished 21 out of 23 here, and this among a group of voters that are VERY pro-MCU. It had some cool moments. But nothing about it is in the same zipcode as "great movie." Let's not try to rewrite history.
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Captain Marvel is a great movie.
:rollin Said nobody ever. Let's not forget that it finished 21 out of 23 here, and this among a group of voters that are VERY pro-MCU. It had some cool moments. But nothing about it is in the same zipcode as "great movie." Let's not try to rewrite history.
Bosk...just let him enjoy it man...seriously. No reason to shame someone for liking a fucking movie.
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And just because the group collectively liked 20 other movies ahead of it, doesn't mean it isn't good. Shit, I'd take it over pretty much every DCU movie - even the good one.
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I dug these things about it:
80s thing
Phil Coulson
Nick Fury
The plot
Brie Larson
Watching her become this incredibly powerful figure.
Was so fun. Much more than Shang Chi, for example.
I may be off on this one but I feel like the American media or internet was out to get Brie Larson early on for some reason and that negatively coloured the movie for a lot of people. But I may be remembering that wrong or misinterpreting it.
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Captain Marvel is a great movie.
:rollin Said nobody ever. Let's not forget that it finished 21 out of 23 here, and this among a group of voters that are VERY pro-MCU. It had some cool moments. But nothing about it is in the same zipcode as "great movie." Let's not try to rewrite history.
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History is...
1.12 billion box office (with the second highest week on week holds) 9th highest grossing MCU film. 5th highest that isn't an Avengers movie. 2nd highest origin movie.
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I think multiple of the more mediocre MCU movies get a pass because they're part of the universe and at the very least they're usually fun/okay on the initial viewing which is mostly what matters. But if we did not have the MCU and a movie like Captain Marvel was released as a stand alone thing in 2005 or something I just don't see anyone asking for a sequel. It was pretty meh.
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I think multiple of the more mediocre MCU movies get a pass because they're part of the universe and at the very least they're usually fun/okay on the initial viewing which is mostly what matters. But if we did not have the MCU and a movie like Captain Marvel was released as a stand alone thing in 2005 or something I just don't see anyone asking for a sequel. It was pretty meh.
The same could be said for any number of franchises - Bond, Star Wars, Fast/Furious etc ... If not for the franchise association, how would some of those films fare as a standalone piece? Would anyone have asked for a sequel about a slow-motion space chase + coach-trainer on an island in the middle of a deserted planet + some strange recruitment / heist in a casino?
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I think multiple of the more mediocre MCU movies get a pass because they're part of the universe and at the very least they're usually fun/okay on the initial viewing which is mostly what matters. But if we did not have the MCU and a movie like Captain Marvel was released as a stand alone thing in 2005 or something I just don't see anyone asking for a sequel. It was pretty meh.
The same could be said for any number of franchises - Bond, Star Wars, Fast/Furious etc ... If not for the franchise association, how would some of those films fare as a standalone piece? Would anyone have asked for a sequel about a slow-motion space chase + coach-trainer on an island in the middle of a deserted planet + some strange recruitment / heist in a casino?
People are more critical of those examples you give though. The James Bond movies are not really treated like a cinematic universe because you have different actors playing the same character through different time periods and most of the movies tend to be viewed as their own thing. It's similar with Star Wars where some of those movies get pretty heavily criticized.
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Captain Marvel is a great movie.
:rollin Said nobody ever. Let's not forget that it finished 21 out of 23 here, and this among a group of voters that are VERY pro-MCU. It had some cool moments. But nothing about it is in the same zipcode as "great movie." Let's not try to rewrite history.
:biggrin:
History is...
1.12 billion box office (with the second highest week on week holds) 9th highest grossing MCU film. 5th highest that isn't an Avengers movie. 2nd highest origin movie.
And that's all fine. If you want to call it a "middling" or "decent" movie, or if you want to say that you personally loved it, cool. It's just that none of that makes it "great," that's all.
I think multiple of the more mediocre MCU movies get a pass because they're part of the universe and at the very least they're usually fun/okay on the initial viewing which is mostly what matters. But if we did not have the MCU and a movie like Captain Marvel was released as a stand alone thing in 2005 or something I just don't see anyone asking for a sequel. It was pretty meh.
The same could be said for any number of franchises - Bond, Star Wars, Fast/Furious etc ... If not for the franchise association, how would some of those films fare as a standalone piece? Would anyone have asked for a sequel about a slow-motion space chase + coach-trainer on an island in the middle of a deserted planet + some strange recruitment / heist in a casino?
And that's all fine. If you want to call it a "middling" or "decent" movie, or if you want to say that you personally loved it, cool. It's just that none of that makes it "great," that's all.
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I may be off on this one but I feel like the American media or internet was out to get Brie Larson early on for some reason and that negatively coloured the movie for a lot of people. But I may be remembering that wrong or misinterpreting it.
I think there's a grain of truth to that. I think there were two large segments that were sort of "out to get" her or the movie. One segment was a segment that really came across as mysogynistic that was very vocal, despite being a vast minority (as loud minorities tend to be). Then there was also the group of Marvel purists that didn't like a lot of the changes that were pretty big departures from the source material. Also very vocal. And in some cases, those groups overlapped. But you had those two groups that were vocal and trying to tank the film right from the getgo. Still, they were minority groups, not "the Internet" or "the media" as a whole.
But then of course, you had folks at the other end of the spectrum overreacting to the two groups mentioned, who then tried to portray it as "the Internet" or "the media" as a whole, when that was clearly NOT the case, and as a result, overhyping the good in the film and trying to say anyone who didn't like it must be misogynistic white males who don't like anything not featuring a white male. Also dead wrong. Just for different reasons.
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I may be off on this one but I feel like the American media or internet was out to get Brie Larson early on for some reason and that negatively coloured the movie for a lot of people. But I may be remembering that wrong or misinterpreting it.
I think there's a grain of truth to that. I think there were two large segments that were sort of "out to get" her or the movie. One segment was a segment that really came across as mysogynistic that was very vocal, despite being a vast minority (as loud minorities tend to be). Then there was also the group of Marvel purists that didn't like a lot of the changes that were pretty big departures from the source material. Also very vocal. And in some cases, those groups overlapped. But you had those two groups that were vocal and trying to tank the film right from the getgo. Still, they were minority groups, not "the Internet" or "the media" as a whole.
But then of course, you had folks at the other end of the spectrum overreacting to the two groups mentioned, who then tried to portray it as "the Internet" or "the media" as a whole, when that was clearly NOT the case, and as a result, overhyping the good in the film and trying to say anyone who didn't like it must be misogynistic white males who don't like anything not featuring a white male. Also dead wrong. Just for different reasons.
Great clarification. :tup
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There were definitely a good amount of people bashing Cap Marvel for every reason under the sun, many without having even seen it.
I can only speak for myself. I am a big Carol Danvers fan from the comics. I'm a big Brie Larson fan. I never mind changes that are worth making.
The problem with the movie is that no one, not the writers, not the directors and not Brie, seemed to have a strong and good vision of WHO the character is. They knew what the plot was but she was just kind of a body doing things that the plot called for. I didn't walk away from the movie knowing much about the character other than what the plot was.
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^That's pretty close to how I feel. The overall plot was actually pretty good, for the most part, with the exception of some of the character development within the plot.
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Anyone think we'll get a cameo from Rogue in The Marvels or do we still have a few years to wait for X-Men characters to start showing up?
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My kid will lose her shit when Rogue shows up. She's her favorite, to the point where when I got her the first issue she appeared in as a Christmas present I was hands down her favorite person for at least a week or two.
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Anyone think we'll get a cameo from Rogue in The Marvels or do we still have a few years to wait for X-Men characters to start showing up?
There are rumors of that, but I don't know how true it is.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised, since the MCU is looking to introduce us to the characters little by little.
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There were definitely a good amount of people bashing Cap Marvel for every reason under the sun, many without having even seen it.
I can only speak for myself. I am a big Carol Danvers fan from the comics. I'm a big Brie Larson fan. I never mind changes that are worth making.
The problem with the movie is that no one, not the writers, not the directors and not Brie, seemed to have a strong and good vision of WHO the character is. They knew what the plot was but she was just kind of a body doing things that the plot called for. I didn't walk away from the movie knowing much about the character other than what the plot was.
I mean that is the plot. It's Vers learning/reclaiming her memories over the course of the film who she really is (Danvers).
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But she doesn't remember who she was as a character. She remembers aspects of what she did. Character isn't just facts about someone. It's personality. They didn't give her one.
If it was unintentional, then that is sad. If it's intentional because "that's the plot" then it's a dumb decision.
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My wife loves Captain Marvel. It's her favorite MCU single-character film.
I thought it was kind of OK. I don't mind watching if it's on, but I am never in the mood to re-watch it.
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But she doesn't remember who she was as a character. She remembers aspects of what she did. Character isn't just facts about someone. It's personality. They didn't give her one.
If it was unintentional, then that is sad. If it's intentional because "that's the plot" then it's a dumb decision.
She has as much a "character" or "personality" as Maverick in Top Gun, IMO.
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But she doesn't remember who she was as a character. She remembers aspects of what she did. Character isn't just facts about someone. It's personality. They didn't give her one.
If it was unintentional, then that is sad. If it's intentional because "that's the plot" then it's a dumb decision.
She has as much a "character" or "personality" as Maverick in Top Gun, IMO.
But no topless volleyball scenes.
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But she doesn't remember who she was as a character. She remembers aspects of what she did. Character isn't just facts about someone. It's personality. They didn't give her one.
If it was unintentional, then that is sad. If it's intentional because "that's the plot" then it's a dumb decision.
She has as much a "character" or "personality" as Maverick in Top Gun, IMO.
But no topless volleyball scenes.
Now THAT would have given the movie some character!
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But she doesn't remember who she was as a character. She remembers aspects of what she did. Character isn't just facts about someone. It's personality. They didn't give her one.
If it was unintentional, then that is sad. If it's intentional because "that's the plot" then it's a dumb decision.
She has as much a "character" or "personality" as Maverick in Top Gun, IMO.
Goose in Cap Marvel had more Personality and Character than Goose in Top Gun too.
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But she doesn't remember who she was as a character. She remembers aspects of what she did. Character isn't just facts about someone. It's personality. They didn't give her one.
If it was unintentional, then that is sad. If it's intentional because "that's the plot" then it's a dumb decision.
She has as much a "character" or "personality" as Maverick in Top Gun, IMO.
Goose in Cap Marvel had more Personality and Character than Goose in Top Gun too.
Bravo.
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I may be off on this one but I feel like the American media or internet was out to get Brie Larson early on for some reason and that negatively coloured the movie for a lot of people. But I may be remembering that wrong or misinterpreting it.
I think there's a grain of truth to that. I think there were two large segments that were sort of "out to get" her or the movie. One segment was a segment that really came across as mysogynistic that was very vocal, despite being a vast minority (as loud minorities tend to be). Then there was also the group of Marvel purists that didn't like a lot of the changes that were pretty big departures from the source material. Also very vocal. And in some cases, those groups overlapped. But you had those two groups that were vocal and trying to tank the film right from the getgo. Still, they were minority groups, not "the Internet" or "the media" as a whole.
But then of course, you had folks at the other end of the spectrum overreacting to the two groups mentioned, who then tried to portray it as "the Internet" or "the media" as a whole, when that was clearly NOT the case, and as a result, overhyping the good in the film and trying to say anyone who didn't like it must be misogynistic white males who don't like anything not featuring a white male. Also dead wrong. Just for different reasons.
I seem to remember her as coming off as kind of weird and maybe a little snobby in the press tours. A lot of her interaction with fellow cast members during talk show appearances and the like seemed awkward. She didn’t come across as very likeable and got some backlash.
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That's it. You've jogged my memory.
I remember watching her talk show things at the time and thinking she seemed completely fine, yet there was this general feeling from some that she was not acting in the way an MCU actor should. Obvs, all subjective, but I didn't catch any "inappropriate" (for want of a less loaded term) attitude from her, personally.
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There was a interview where a few of the cast were together, 'those people' said the body language of the others round Brie suggested they didn't like her. Don Cheadle who was part of the interview heard about this and stuck up for Brie calling them out as idiots. Thus Don also became a target from 'those people'. 'Those people' also believe the only reason it took over a Billion at the box office is because Disney were buying tickets ;D
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Ha. Good work, Don.
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One thing I will say is that Larson put in massive amounts of work to get in shape for the role. I was watching something showing the physical work she did, and it was pretty amazing. Apparently, she couldn't even do one pushup at the beginning. But she went through an intense workout regimen for months and REALLY put in the work. She worked HARD for that role.
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Speaking of Captain Marvel, The Marvel release was pushed back to November, but we got a poster:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpLwbZoaAAEdKev?format=jpg&name=large)
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One thing I will say is that Larson put in massive amounts of work to get in shape for the role. I was watching something showing the physical work she did, and it was pretty amazing. Apparently, she couldn't even do one pushup at the beginning. But she went through an intense workout regimen for months and REALLY put in the work. She worked HARD for that role.
Yeah, but if someone was paying me big dollars to work out and do push ups I could do it too. I don't really think that means too much, you either like the performance or you don't. To me something is just a bit off about her take on the character but still looking forward to The Marvels.
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Apples and oranges. I can hate the performance AND appreciate the work she put in. Which is WAY, WAY more effort that just doing some pushups--she put in massive amounts of work into her physical training for an extended period of time. I have no problem respecting that, even if it does nothing to make me like the performance itself.
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The more I see her other performances (both in and out of the MCU) I’m slowly coming around to the POV of putting the blame on the director. She’s got acting chops. But at some point, I think she was guided to “do it this way”.
The movie had a good framework. But ya, that performance was robotic and it’s not even like she does that in other roles.
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The more I see her other performances (both in and out of the MCU) I’m slowly coming around to the POV of putting the blame on the director. She’s got acting chops. But at some point, I think she was guided to “do it this way”.
The movie had a good framework. But ya, that performance was robotic and it’s not even like she does that in other roles.
I've thought all along that it was a specific choice by either her or the director that her character would be low on emotion and rather wooden in delivery. I'm hoping that changes as her character breaks away from the brainwashing she essentially was under. I'm not going to write her character off until I see The Marvels, because she is indeed a good actor.
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After just watching Wakanda Forever and not being that entertained, I think I'm about to step off the MCU bus. It's been a great ride but I'm not digging it enough anymore. I'll watch QMania and GOTG3 but it doesn't feel important to me at this point.
I think I was bound to feel this way sooner or later. I don't dig the source material as the hundreds of characters, variations and team-ups feel arbitrary and pointless to me. While the movies initially focussed on a handful of characters, they had weight but I'm struggling to feel much about most of it now.
Maybe I'll feel differently after those 2 movies but I think it's probably just saturation point.
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I hate to admit it, but I'm not too far off of that either. I mean, I'm not ready to jump off just yet. But I'm closer than I would have thought I would be at this point. But, to me, saturation isn't why. It is a factor, but it's a relatively small one. It's more just the steep drop in quality, and how consistent that dropoff has been, as I've been saying. I expected that nothing would be on the level of the Infinity Saga, and I went into what followed with lowered expectations. But what he have consistently gotten is far below those lowered expectations. When virtually every new film is in the bottom 1/3, there's a problem. That said, I'm still holding on, because I do still manage to find enjoyment, and I am still hopeful.
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I was not a huge fan of Wakanda Forever. Obviously, losing Chadwick Boseman was a huge blow to the franchise, as I am sure they had things mapped out with him in the lead. But the story of WF just...it was bland. It was rudderless for me. I'll see the new Antman. But I think Marvel and DC are starting to go too deep now, developing films for minor characters.
But, as I keep reminding myself, I'm not the target audience any longer. I'm one part of it. But the 18-35 audience is what they want. And I'm long past that.
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looooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggggg.
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I think you all are expecting way too much out of comic book films. Yes, the Infinity Saga was a gold standard that will never be achieved again, but I think it's mostly because it was such a fresh idea. I re-watch all the movies all of the time, and only a few would I put on a pedestal above the rather mindless, spectacle entertainment they are at the core. And man, in my busy ass life with all it's bullshit and whatnot, I need that so much.
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Yes, the Infinity Saga was a gold standard that will never be achieved again, but I think it's mostly because it was such a fresh idea.
No. No. No. No. NO! It wasn't good because it was fresh. It was good because the vast majority of those movies were exceptionally good as movies. Not as "comic book movies" or as "superhero movies." They were exceptional movies. Period. Most of them were B+ to A+ movies, period.
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Yes, the Infinity Saga was a gold standard that will never be achieved again, but I think it's mostly because it was such a fresh idea.
No. No. No. No. NO! It wasn't good because it was fresh. It was good because the vast majority of those movies were exceptionally good as movies. Not as "comic book movies" or as "superhero movies." They were exceptional movies. Period. Most of them were B+ to A+ movies, period.
Relax boo... it's just a comic book movie...
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It was well executed, and the idea of a long running extended universe was fresh, especially one with characters so endearing to everybody. Personally, I feel Black Widow, Shang Chi and No Way Home were as good as any of the Infinity flicks save a few. (*ducks flamethrower*)But Inifinity Saga is a really hard, if not impossible act to follow, because that childish delight won't be there for us, we have a bar to compare anything else to now.
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I am definitely suffering Marvel superhero fatigue. Last Marvel movie I saw in the cinema was Dr Strange Multiverse of Madness and I thought it was very average and I had no interest going to see Thor 4, Wakanda Forever in the cinema and will also not see Ant Man 3. I have subsequently watched Thor 4 and Wakanda on Disney+ and did not like them.
I agree with Bosk that the movies we like, we like them because they are good movies. I don't associate the ones I like with comic book movies. These last few movies have failed to really suck me in with a strong enough story, character beats and emotional connection to make me consider them good movies.
I think GotG3 is the next one out? (Sorry if I am wrong there). Fingers crossed this is a really good movie.
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Phase 4 for me.
Black Widow : Love Yelena. Wish it'd been more grounded though. It's OK for a movie released out of sync with the timeline, and Ray Winston is awful. Lower tier.
Shang Chi : Solid entry, one of the better origin films - typically fell into the huge CGI fest finale, but that's 90% of the MCU. Mid Tier.
Eternals : Worst MCU film. Bottom Tier
Spider-Man No Way Home : Fucking Awesome, only bettered by Infinity War. Top Tier.
Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness : It is a bit messy, but I really like it. Think its a much better film the First Strange movie. Upper Mid Tier.
Thor Love and Thunder : I don't think this is a bad as it's made out, I'd take it over Thor 2 anyday, yes it's too silly but so are the Guardian films - Lower Mid Tier.
Black Panther Wakanda Forever : Left the cinema thinking it was a really good film, however it's dropped more than any other MCU film on a rewatch where I see a lot of flaws and it's really over long - Lower Mid Tier.
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1. Spider Man No Way Home - great emotion, old villains were shit
2. Black Widow - shit villains, great emotion
3. Doctor Strange ITMOM / Shang Chi / Thor L&T - misfire / satisfactory/ misfire
4. Wakanda Forever - mess
5. Eternals - total fucking mess
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1. Spider Man No Way Home - great emotion, old villains were shit
2. Black Widow - shit villains, great emotion
3. Doctor Strange ITMOM / Shang Chi / Thor L&T - misfire / satisfactory/ misfire
4. Wakanda Forever - mess
5. Eternals - total fucking mess
DoctorAction - me and you are on the same wavelength. Totally agree with this and couldn't have summed up the movies any better.
Also, none of these movies I see myself ever watching again. I have probably watched most of the previous Marvel movies more than once and some more than 5 times.
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I would totally watch both Spider Man and Shang-Chi many times over. Absolutely LOVE those films.
I will concede that ITMOM and LAT were sorely lacking and are among the absolute worst in the entire MCU.
Black Widow was ok. The next time I do my chronological rewatch, I’m going to put it where it belongs in the timeline and see if it fares any better. I actually really love about 90% of that movie, but man does that ending SUCK!
The Eternals is…just …there. You know what The Eternals reminds me of? The Inhumans. But maybe that’s exactly why everyone hates it and I still think it’s ok. Because I actually didn’t think The Inhumans was the dumpster fire everyone made it out to be.
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Other than disagreeing about Inhumans (it was awful), I agree with JD.
I have a lot of thoughts on the MCU but they’re very in line with Bosk as of now.
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Ok...
Phase 4 Rankings...
1- Black Widow- My favorite character finally gets her own movie, and they do a plus one with Yelena to boot. Love the chemistry between the two, loved the story arc. Only flaw was Taskmaster, but since I'm not a comic purist it didn't bug me too much. Ending didn't bother me one bit like it did with pretty much everyone else. My biggest complaint is that this came in Phase 4 and not where she should have gotten her own film in Phase 3
2- No Way Home- Basically a tie tbh...great fun, solid intensity, brutally emotional with May's death, was cool with the alternate Spidey's and Villains, and a solid 'wipe the slate clean' ending.
3- Shang Chi- Killer origin story, good chemistry between the three principles, and a great elder villain and protagonist casting in Tony Leung and Michelle Yeoh. Epic dragon battle got a bit silly, but I expect that out of the MCU.
4- Dr Strange 2- A solid spin on the standard MCU story with the horror flick vibe, I think I was expecting more out of this, but it was entertaining as fuck and fully satisfying. Plus Lizzy :heart
5- Wakanda Forever- The emotional parts of this movie, the tributes to Chadwick, were fucking brilliant. This movie was like a taco, it was beautiful in the beginning, and even though it fell apart into a sloppy mess, I still loved it.
6- The Eternals- meh....just meh...Really zero desire for a re-watch, twice was enough. Shame they wasted the first encounter with the Celestials on this pile of shit.
7- Thor: Love and Thunder- This will probably never get a re-watch from me because I'll never be able to sit through that first half hour ever again. Holy fuck did they ruin the Thor character.
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Finally saw WF Thursday night on Disney+. Meh. Some decent stuff but some goofy too. CGI on Namor looked a little wonky at times. Wife fell asleep :lol. Hopefully Antman 3 is better but sadly I’ve heard otherwise.
1. Dr Stange MoM - for obvious reasons
2. Black Widow - love this character. She deserved her own movie even if it felt rushed.
3. No Way Home - pretty cool having Maguire and Garfield. Good emotional core.
4. Thor 4 - again, love the character but some really stupid scenes in this thing. Mixed bag. At least Jane had an arc.
5. Shang Chi - didn't know anything about these characters or their background but I thought it was pretty well done
6. Wakanda Forever - only see once 2 days ago, not really enough time to digest
7. Eternals - haven't watched, never will
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1. Black Widow: I really like this movie, and like it more over time now that Hawkeye has added some additional meat to Yelena's character arc. Yeah, it had its flaws. Taskmaster was a letdown, completely aside from the departure from the comics (which I don't overly care about). And the ending was edited in such a way as to leave holes that don't make sense. But overall, it was a fun solo MCU adventure that I would put up there with some of the other OG Avengers solo films.
2. Shang Chi: As a solo character origin story, it is almost right up there with some of the best. In fact, for most of the film, it is up there. ...until it forsakes all of the incredible focus on family drama and individual story arcs in the third act to the point where it feels like it is trying to actively distract the audience from all of that and do something entirely different. That's the problem with it. Otherwise, really strong film. Could be #1 some days. And as time goes on and we revisit the character in other settings, it may climb a bit in my overall rankings just for having more "context."
3. Wakanda Forever: Wasn't bad at all. It had a lot going for it. But just a few moments here and there that required a bit too much suspension of belief, some little inconsistencies, and some unnecessary bloat that were distracting. Bottom half MCU film overall, but still very enjoyable. If this was the "average" for phase 4, I could consider phase 4 still fairly strong. But it isn't...
4. No Way Home: This was a good movie. But it suffered because the very premise in the plot for how and why things were happening was stupid and unbelievable. And because it is the very premise that sets the entire plot in motion, it gets a major deduction for that. Poor writing is unfortunately a VERY common thread in phase 4. And its a shame because there is so much to love about this film.
5. Dr. Strange: Other missed opportunity. This movie could have and should have been stellar. But too many things unexplained that needed to be explained, too many character moments where characters were acting contrary to their MCU arcs, and some scenes that suffered from poor writing. This should have easily been the #1, had a lot of minor little fails along the way. And it's too bad because there are so many moments I loved, and it had a really good story, both as a standalone movie and as part of the overall MCU multiverse saga as a whole. Also had to dock it some points because it was a great film without the completely unnecessary LGBTQ+ propaganda, and Marvel would do well to figure out that a lot of its audience don't want to see that (and other objectionable content) in what many would consider "family films." Sad that Hollywood feels the need to normalize sin, and this is the latest trend/version of that same problem. Oh well.
6. Thor L&T: Such a shame. I had REALLY high hopes and this movie had a REALLY high ceiling of potential. There are some things I love about it, but those are far overshadowed by how badly this movie fell on its face so many times in so many areas.
7. Eternals: Absolute bottom of the barrel. Almost nothing redeeming about this movie at all. Shouldn't even be part of the MCU.
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5. Dr. Strange: Other missed opportunity. This movie could have and should have been stellar. But too many things unexplained that needed to be explained, too many character moments where characters were acting contrary to their MCU arcs, and some scenes that suffered from poor writing. This should have easily been the #1, had a lot of minor little fails along the way. And it's too bad because there are so many moments I loved, and it had a really good story, both as a standalone movie and as part of the overall MCU multiverse saga as a whole. Also had to dock it some points because it was a great film without the completely unnecessary LGBTQ+ propaganda, and Marvel would do well to figure out that a lot of its audience don't want to see that (and other objectionable content) in what many would consider "family films." Sad that Hollywood feels the need to normalize sin, and this is the latest trend/version of that same problem. Oh well.
I don't recall anything LGBTQ+ in it. What was that again? And "sin"? Really?
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5. Dr. Strange: Other missed opportunity. This movie could have and should have been stellar. But too many things unexplained that needed to be explained, too many character moments where characters were acting contrary to their MCU arcs, and some scenes that suffered from poor writing. This should have easily been the #1, had a lot of minor little fails along the way. And it's too bad because there are so many moments I loved, and it had a really good story, both as a standalone movie and as part of the overall MCU multiverse saga as a whole. Also had to dock it some points because it was a great film without the completely unnecessary LGBTQ+ propaganda, and Marvel would do well to figure out that a lot of its audience don't want to see that (and other objectionable content) in what many would consider "family films." Sad that Hollywood feels the need to normalize sin, and this is the latest trend/version of that same problem. Oh well.
I don't recall anything LGBTQ+ in it. What was that again? And "sin"? Really?
I think he's referring to America's parents being same sex. Which is actually canonistic to the comic.
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5. Dr. Strange: Other missed opportunity. This movie could have and should have been stellar. But too many things unexplained that needed to be explained, too many character moments where characters were acting contrary to their MCU arcs, and some scenes that suffered from poor writing. This should have easily been the #1, had a lot of minor little fails along the way. And it's too bad because there are so many moments I loved, and it had a really good story, both as a standalone movie and as part of the overall MCU multiverse saga as a whole. Also had to dock it some points because it was a great film without the completely unnecessary LGBTQ+ propaganda, and Marvel would do well to figure out that a lot of its audience don't want to see that (and other objectionable content) in what many would consider "family films." Sad that Hollywood feels the need to normalize sin, and this is the latest trend/version of that same problem. Oh well.
I don't recall anything LGBTQ+ in it. What was that again? And "sin"? Really?
I think he's referring to America's parents being same sex. Which is actually canonistic to the comic.
Oh the fucking horror.
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Bosk1, you live in an age where yiu will see more and more LBGTQ+ driven stories. While I may not understand it because I'm hardwired to be straight, I try to keep an open mind for others. I don't look at it as propaganda, I look at it as something now in the open.
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“Sin”. It’s 2023 ffs, not 1823. Perhaps P/R commentary that hardcore could stay in P/R?
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Yeah, LGBTQ+ is definitely a normal part of the human experience, and has been for millennia. Maybe it's time to ditch archaic religious ideals that only serve to separate us and teach us to hate? Jesus would've been totally cool with America's parents being gay, it's his fan base that has it totally wrong.
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Yeah, LGBTQ+ is definitely a normal part of the human experience, and has been for millennia. Maybe it's time to ditch archaic religious ideals that only serve to separate us and teach us to hate? Jesus would've been totally cool with America's parents being gay, it's his fan base that has it totally wrong.
Also, forum rule 5.
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Yeah, LGBTQ+ is definitely a normal part of the human experience, and has been for millennia. Maybe it's time to ditch archaic religious ideals that only serve to separate us and teach us to hate? Jesus would've been totally cool with America's parents being gay, it's his fan base that has it totally wrong.
We are truly getting into P/R territory here, but this is just flat out provably false.
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So....how about that MODOK?
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Yeah, LGBTQ+ is definitely a normal part of the human experience, and has been for millennia. Maybe it's time to ditch archaic religious ideals that only serve to separate us and teach us to hate? Jesus would've been totally cool with America's parents being gay, it's his fan base that has it totally wrong.
We are truly getting into P/R territory here, but this is just flat out provably false.
Which part? That there have been gay people for millenia? Definitely fact. That Jesus would've been cool with it? I think that was his prime directive was to love each other, right?
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So....how about that MODOK?
No one ever answered my question as to whether or not his character in the movie was true to the comic version
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Yeah, LGBTQ+ is definitely a normal part of the human experience, and has been for millennia. Maybe it's time to ditch archaic religious ideals that only serve to separate us and teach us to hate? Jesus would've been totally cool with America's parents being gay, it's his fan base that has it totally wrong.
We are truly getting into P/R territory here, but this is just flat out provably false.
Which part? That there have been gay people for millenia? Definitely fact. That Jesus would've been cool with it? I think that was his prime directive was to love each other, right?
I am not going to continue this discussion in this thread because I don’t want it to get blocked nor do I want either you or me to get a vacation for pushing PR subjects outside of PR
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So....how about that MODOK?
No one ever answered my question as to whether or not his character in the movie was true to the comic version
It wasn't. In the comics he was a scientists that did experiments on himself to make him that way I do believe. Definitely wasn't Darren Cross though.
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So....how about that MODOK?
No one ever answered my question as to whether or not his character in the movie was true to the comic version
Sorry about that!
Physically, he looks almost identical to the comics when his mask is down. Though that’s just what his face looks like in the comics. He isn’t Darren. He isn’t in the quantum realm. He is a crazy scientist. I dunno his specific origin but he is a very goofy character that no one really takes seriously. So all in all, it was good enough. None of the changes made him more goofy or anything.
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FFS
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So....how about that MODOK?
No recent spoilers! :P
-Marc.
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Posting here as it is related to some of the Marvel superhero fatigue discussions above but looks like an alarming box office drop for Antman. Could be the largest second week fall of all time.
My overall take is that as well as the fatigue factor I am not sure the casual fan really fully buys into the multiverse stuff and the multiple versions of characters. This overall plot point and story feels hard to connect with.
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Posting here as it is related to some of the Marvel superhero fatigue discussions above but looks like an alarming box office drop for Antman. Could be the largest second week fall of all time.
My overall take is that as well as the fatigue factor I am not sure the casual fan really fully buys into the multiverse stuff and the multiple versions of characters. This overall plot point and story feels hard to connect with.
Can't argue with any points here. Definitely not a story that plays to the casual fan for sure.
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It could also be that the best characters have been written out of the MCU. Hopefully things pick up again once the X-Men start showing up.
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Yes good point on the characters and it could be that the X-Men or an awesome Fantastic 4 movie is needed to bring back the excitement.
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Bosk1, you live in an age where yiu will see more and more LBGTQ+ driven stories. While I may not understand it because I'm hardwired to be straight, I try to keep an open mind for others. I don't look at it as propaganda, I look at it as something now in the open.
Oh, absolutely. I get it, Joe. It's like a lot of stuff. Tony being a drunk and sexual reprobate in IM1 and IM2 lost points for me too, for example. Just the age we live in. I understand. And "propaganda" probably isn't the right word, either. I know that was the word I used, but that wasn't really a good word choice. Just not sure what is. With America, for instance, as I think it was RJ that pointed out, it's true to the source material. But it's been a oft-beaten drum for a little while, in contexts where there really isn't any point to it other than seemingly to "normalize" it. Which, again, I'm not a fan of. Doesn't keep it from being a good movie though. But as with other things I don't like, if you put something I don't like in a film, it's going to be a net negative, not a net positive.
“Sin”. It’s 2023 ffs, not 1823. Perhaps P/R commentary that hardcore could stay in P/R?
Nothing "hardcore" about someone saying why they don't like a movie in a movie thread. Beyond that, yeah, we should take further discussion to P/R. But keeping it limited to things along the lines of "I don't like X about this movie," and X being a P/R-related reason, is fine. Otherwise, pretty much anything tangentially P/R related would be off limits in the general forum. We don't ban discussion of Hallowed Be Thy Name, For the Greater Good of God, or Run To the Hills from the Iron Maiden thread because those songs have religious or political themes.
But to that point, I won't respond directly to some of the other posts that follow, because I think that would take us over that fuzzy line. To JD's point, RJ is 100% mistaken about what Jesus is "cool with," but that's a discussion for P/R if you want to have it. Let's take it there if anyone wants to further discuss. Now let's not get too distracted from the MCU discussion.
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Posting here as it is related to some of the Marvel superhero fatigue discussions above but looks like an alarming box office drop for Antman. Could be the largest second week fall of all time.
My overall take is that as well as the fatigue factor I am not sure the casual fan really fully buys into the multiverse stuff and the multiple versions of characters. This overall plot point and story feels hard to connect with.
Can't argue with any points here. Definitely not a story that plays to the casual fan for sure.
Yeah, I think it's kind of hard for the more casual fan to wrap their head around where the MCU is going. I wouldn't say that, in and of itself, is necessarily a bad thing. But I think it's one more factor that could be contributing to a decline in popularity. To Zook's/Realm's point, maybe bringing in some more "marquee" characters will help bring folks back. But I seriously think it is going to depend heavily on the writing as well. I've been beating the drum about the writing for awhile now in phase 4. And, again, I know and I expect that there will be a dropoff from the Infinity Saga. I'm not holding the current MCU to quite that standard. But there's been an overall dropoff in quality, and it's noticeable, and I'm not the only one to notice. Just tell good stories and write them well, and people will come.
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Posting here as it is related to some of the Marvel superhero fatigue discussions above but looks like an alarming box office drop for Antman. Could be the largest second week fall of all time.
My overall take is that as well as the fatigue factor I am not sure the casual fan really fully buys into the multiverse stuff and the multiple versions of characters. This overall plot point and story feels hard to connect with.
Can't argue with any points here. Definitely not a story that plays to the casual fan for sure.
Yeah, I think it's kind of hard for the more casual fan to wrap their head around where the MCU is going. I wouldn't say that, in and of itself, is necessarily a bad thing. But I think it's one more factor that could be contributing to a decline in popularity. To Zook's/Realm's point, maybe bringing in some more "marquee" characters will help bring folks back. But I seriously think it is going to depend heavily on the writing as well. I've been beating the drum about the writing for awhile now in phase 4. And, again, I know and I expect that there will be a dropoff from the Infinity Saga. I'm not holding the current MCU to quite that standard. But there's been an overall dropoff in quality, and it's noticeable, and I'm not the only one to notice. Just tell good stories and write them well, and people will come.
I think people - not you, not here, but generally - forget how big a star Robert Downey, Jr. is, or Mark Ruffalo. Some of the characters and actors now just aren't at the level of Iron Man, Downey, The Hulk, and Ruffalo (just to name a few). I know my wife and daughter (less so) sort of start to zone out with some of the lesser characters and more character actors. In contrast, the room goes quiet whenever Thor comes on the screen! :) :) :)
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I'd never heard of Mark Ruffalo before he was Banner/The Hulk. I'd say that Benedict Cumberbatch is a pretty big star; Johansson was a pretty big name before IM2, and same with Larsen. Additionally Marvel has made stars out of people - Hemsworth, Holland, Bosman, Evans... all of whom are (were) massive way beyond any fame they had pre-MCU.
Also, IM was a B-list hero in the mainstream, so leading with him was a fairly large risk. Let's not gaslight anyone by suggesting IM and Thor were household names the way that FF, Spiderman, and X-Men were.
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Ya. Ruffalo was a complete nobody before Hulk turned him into a massive star.
RDJ, Benedict, and Scar Jo were only MCU actors I had heard of before the MCU.
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I disagree. He was in a shit ton of films before he became the Hulk. I bet you guys saw him and didn't recognize him.
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I just looked at his filmography, and I don't know a single one of the films listed before he appeared in Avengers. That said, he was in a LOT of stuff, so he was definitely a prolific actor, and it's just that what he did never crossed my table specifically.
But in any case, the MCU has a pretty wide variety of those who had thriving careers before Marvel, and those whose careers took off because of Marvel.
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I'd never heard of Mark Ruffalo before he was Banner/The Hulk. I'd say that Benedict Cumberbatch is a pretty big star; Johansson was a pretty big name before IM2, and same with Larsen. Additionally Marvel has made stars out of people - Hemsworth, Holland, Bosman, Evans... all of whom are (were) massive way beyond any fame they had pre-MCU.
Also, IM was a B-list hero in the mainstream, so leading with him was a fairly large risk. Let's not gaslight anyone by suggesting IM and Thor were household names the way that FF, Spiderman, and X-Men were.
Seriously? "Gaslighting"? WTF.
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I disagree. He was in a shit ton of films before he became the Hulk. I bet you guys saw him and didn't recognize him.
This; I was at the Genesis board when it was still active, and granted, the board was half female, but it was "Mark Ruffalo this" and "Mark Ruffalo that". He may not have been RD,J big, but he was a star.
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Ruffalo was definitely big before Marvel. That was a big "get" for them at the time.
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I'd never heard of Mark Ruffalo before he was Banner/The Hulk. I'd say that Benedict Cumberbatch is a pretty big star; Johansson was a pretty big name before IM2, and same with Larsen. Additionally Marvel has made stars out of people - Hemsworth, Holland, Bosman, Evans... all of whom are (were) massive way beyond any fame they had pre-MCU.
Also, IM was a B-list hero in the mainstream, so leading with him was a fairly large risk. Let's not gaslight anyone by suggesting IM and Thor were household names the way that FF, Spiderman, and X-Men were.
I think you're letting your personal experience cloud your perception of mainstream, just as I have, I suppose. I grew up with Iron Man and Thor. I knew who Spider-Man was but only knew the Fantastic Four from the animated Saturday-morning TV show, and I had no idea who X-Men were until the movies.
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I'd never heard of Mark Ruffalo before he was Banner/The Hulk. I'd say that Benedict Cumberbatch is a pretty big star; Johansson was a pretty big name before IM2, and same with Larsen. Additionally Marvel has made stars out of people - Hemsworth, Holland, Bosman, Evans... all of whom are (were) massive way beyond any fame they had pre-MCU.
Also, IM was a B-list hero in the mainstream, so leading with him was a fairly large risk. Let's not gaslight anyone by suggesting IM and Thor were household names the way that FF, Spiderman, and X-Men were.
I think you're letting your personal experience cloud your perception of mainstream, just as I have, I suppose. I grew up with Iron Man and Thor. I knew who Spider-Man was but only knew the Fantastic Four from the animated Saturday-morning TV show, and I had no idea who X-Men were until the movies.
I always thought I was sort of out of the mainstream in loving the Fantastic Four (by far my favorite Marvel series). I was a DC guy, and while the DC big three were Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, I always perceived the Marvel big three as Iron Man, Hulk and Thor. Spider-Man may be in there too; I know he had a daily run in the Daily News in New York, but I don't recall him being cross-pollinated like the other three were.
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I have no idea how popular each character was, but Iron Man was definitely not an unknown by any stretch and Thor was.....you know....Thor. Whether you knew Marvel's version or not, everyone knows Thor.
Also I think X-Men were only known on a pretty superficial level. People loved Wolverine with all the animated shows and stuff, but I doubt they could have named the original X-Men or much about them until the movies came out.
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See, that's what I'm saying. There were a lot of "pockets", certain geographic areas perhaps, where certain characters were more well-known than others. I had a good friend growing up who collected Iron Man, so I knew Iron Man and I guess I assumed everyone else did. He also had Spider-Man and certain issues of a lot of others, including Thor. I remember Thor because he was a weird blend of superhero and Norse mythology.
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I'd never heard of Mark Ruffalo before he was Banner/The Hulk. I'd say that Benedict Cumberbatch is a pretty big star; Johansson was a pretty big name before IM2, and same with Larsen. Additionally Marvel has made stars out of people - Hemsworth, Holland, Bosman, Evans... all of whom are (were) massive way beyond any fame they had pre-MCU.
Also, IM was a B-list hero in the mainstream, so leading with him was a fairly large risk. Let's not gaslight anyone by suggesting IM and Thor were household names the way that FF, Spiderman, and X-Men were.
Seriously? "Gaslighting"? WTF.
You know, after I typed it, I thought I should go back and rephrase it to something along the lines of "revisionist history". I guess I just don't use 'gaslight' in the way that psychologists use vis-a-vis manipulation and emotional abuse. So, my apologies for using it not in entirely the right/appropriate context. I meant to imply that IM being a big name back in 2008 wasn't the way things were, and Robert Downey was a borderline pariah in Hollywood at the time. Going with him and Iron Man were pretty big risks on the part of the studio.
Anyone who doesn't remember that, Feige will remind you - https://www.gamesradar.com/kevin-feige-says-casting-robert-downey-jr-for-iron-man-was-the-biggest-risk-and-the-most-important-thing/
I'd never heard of Mark Ruffalo before he was Banner/The Hulk. I'd say that Benedict Cumberbatch is a pretty big star; Johansson was a pretty big name before IM2, and same with Larsen. Additionally Marvel has made stars out of people - Hemsworth, Holland, Bosman, Evans... all of whom are (were) massive way beyond any fame they had pre-MCU.
Also, IM was a B-list hero in the mainstream, so leading with him was a fairly large risk. Let's not revise history anyone by suggesting IM and Thor were household names the way that FF, Spiderman, and X-Men were.
I think you're letting your personal experience cloud your perception of mainstream, just as I have, I suppose. I grew up with Iron Man and Thor. I knew who Spider-Man was but only knew the Fantastic Four from the animated Saturday-morning TV show, and I had no idea who X-Men were until the movies.
I'll point out that the x-men had about a decade's worth of cartoon series' under their belt. Iron Man and Thor did not. Thor was my fave comic book hero - I sure as hell knew him from the 80s and 90s. But as for mainstream exposure, x-men had way more than any of the Avengers.
To Bob's point... I guess it's a regional thing maybe?
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Or just whatever you happened to be exposed to. I maybe remember the X-men TV show, but I never watched it. Spider-Man of course had a show with that catchy theme song (which is now stuck in your head, ha!) but I guess I wasn't thinking specifically about TV shows as an indication of mainstream popularity. I probably shoud, since it's probably the indicator that most people use. Just not me. I think of comic book characters and their relative popularity in terms of the ones I knew, and that was exposure to the comic books themselves.
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I'd never heard of Mark Ruffalo before he was Banner/The Hulk. I'd say that Benedict Cumberbatch is a pretty big star; Johansson was a pretty big name before IM2, and same with Larsen. Additionally Marvel has made stars out of people - Hemsworth, Holland, Bosman, Evans... all of whom are (were) massive way beyond any fame they had pre-MCU.
Also, IM was a B-list hero in the mainstream, so leading with him was a fairly large risk. Let's not gaslight anyone by suggesting IM and Thor were household names the way that FF, Spiderman, and X-Men were.
Seriously? "Gaslighting"? WTF.
You know, after I typed it, I thought I should go back and rephrase it to something along the lines of "revisionist history". I guess I just don't use 'gaslight' in the way that psychologists use vis-a-vis manipulation and emotional abuse. So, my apologies for using it not in entirely the right/appropriate context. I meant to imply that IM being a big name back in 2008 wasn't the way things were, and Robert Downey was a borderline pariah in Hollywood at the time. Going with him and Iron Man were pretty big risks on the part of the studio.
Anyone who doesn't remember that, Feige will remind you - https://www.gamesradar.com/kevin-feige-says-casting-robert-downey-jr-for-iron-man-was-the-biggest-risk-and-the-most-important-thing/
To be fair, I forgot about Robert's "troubles" at the time.
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The big names in popularity at the time, both among comic book readers and especially the general public, were Spider-Man and the X-Men. Not even close.
The first Iron Man film was a HUGE risk. DC always kept a lid on their biggest characters for films, since they were owned by an entertainment company (Warner Brothers), but Marvel had farmed out the rights to their biggest properties (Spidey, the X-Men, and even the Fantastic Four) to other studios. Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and the Hulk weren't unknown, but they were not in the same league as those others in the mind of the general public. And of those, only Spider-Man could be considered to be in the same league as the biggest hitters from DC (Superman and Batman).
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In my own personal opinion, where Marvel might be failing a little at the moment is failing to give the public what they want. Here's what I mean. At the end of the Infinity Saga we lost a bunch of hugely popular beloved characters, never to be seen again in many cases. Obviously these need to be replaced, but I question a little how Feige has gone about it. There's been a plethora of new characters thrown at us with varying degrees of success (some hugely UNsuccessful). But what Feige needs to do is keeping running with the characters that already ARE popular.
It's not just me; Wanda is one of the, if not THE most, popular character right now thanks in a large part to WandaVision. Lizzie is ready to go with any new Wanda projects but Feige has made the mistake of not striking while the iron's hot with her character. There still is apparently nothing definite.
Then there's Banner/Hulk, still a very well-liked and popular character yet all he's had since 2019 is a couple cameos in She-Hulk. Seriously??? The Ruffalo/Hemsworth chemistry was DYNAMITE in Ragnarok, they really need to go back to that well instead of Thor having a threesome with his hammer and axe. Ruffalo and Hemsworth are ready to go, they haven't quit Marvel.
Obviously Downey and Evans and Johansson are gone for good, I get that, but Fiege probably needs to get a handle on what has made certain characters so popular instead of throwing a million at us per year. My 2 cents.
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I think we can be assured that Hemsworth is gone for good as well now. I just finished up his Nat Geo documentary series Limitless. Really good stuff, and totally understandable why he's pausing (ending??) his acting career.
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I think we can be assured that Hemsworth is gone for good as well now. I just finished up his Nat Geo documentary series Limitless. Really good stuff, and totally understandable why he's pausing (ending??) his acting career.
I don't think he's gone at all. At least, not voluntarily.
We won't see another Thor solo film any time soon, if ever, but Thor isn't gone from the MCU. At the very least, he will show up for Secret Wars.
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I think we can be assured that Hemsworth is gone for good as well now. I just finished up his Nat Geo documentary series Limitless. Really good stuff, and totally understandable why he's pausing (ending??) his acting career.
I don't think he's gone at all. At least, not voluntarily.
We won't see another Thor solo film any time soon, if ever, but Thor isn't gone from the MCU. At the very least, he will show up for Secret Wars.
Perhaps. That's still a couple years away. Lots can change. I certainly hope he's back.
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Yeah, even though L&T left his character open, I seem to recall reading somewhere awhile back that he considers himself (and the character) basically done. That doesn't mean for sure than that is 100% final, but I don't see him likely doing much more than maybe cameo or supporting appearances if that is true. And that's fine. I don't think we need another Thor movie. Not sure how I feel about the character as a whole anymore.
Dream Team still makes great points though, even if the specifics aren't necessarily a reality due to a lot of factors. Wanda seems to me to be the biggest issue. I think she was mishandled a bit in Strange II. And even though we assume she is not dead, with how they left her character, and how there don't seem to be any plans to bring her back anytime soon, I agree that there is a missed opportunity here. Even if she doesn't fit "the plan" for the MCU in the immediate future, it shouldn't have been hard to work her back in once it became clear how popular she is and how much the fanbase seems to be having a harder time latching onto a lot of the new characters. It's a shame Strange II didn't do things a bit differently and that Marvel didn't alter its plans to find a way to bring her back around in the near future. Again, seems like a missed opportunity.
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I think we can be assured that Hemsworth is gone for good as well now. I just finished up his Nat Geo documentary series Limitless. Really good stuff, and totally understandable why he's pausing (ending??) his acting career.
I think we could probably count on him reprising his role as Thor in one or both of the upcoming Avengers films, as one of the remaining six OG Avengers left in the MCU 616. Him, Hulk, and Hawkeye are all that's left active out of the first six, so as a way to carry on and pass the torch to the next team, I think Thor will be around. Captain Marvel will probably take his place as the team's cosmic heavy-hitter, but I would love to see both of them wreck things up together in The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars.
The big names in popularity at the time, both among comic book readers and especially the general public, were Spider-Man and the X-Men. Not even close.
The first Iron Man film was a HUGE risk. DC always kept a lid on their biggest characters for films, since they were owned by an entertainment company (Warner Brothers), but Marvel had farmed out the rights to their biggest properties (Spidey, the X-Men, and even the Fantastic Four) to other studios. Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and the Hulk weren't unknown, but they were not in the same league as those others in the mind of the general public. And of those, only Spider-Man could be considered to be in the same league as the biggest hitters from DC (Superman and Batman).
This is pretty accurate from what I recall of the comics and film industry at the time. The budding Marvel Studios knew that Iron Man was a fairly big risk, and even the trades and media reported it as such. The common layman didn't know Iron Man, but of course comics fans did, even those who had only a passing knowledge of Tony Stark and his armored Avenger alter-ego, but as hef said, most of the general public would probably only be able to pick out Spider-Man, the X-Men, and maybe the Fantastic Four as Marvel characters, all of which had their film rights sold off to other studios in the late 90s because Marvel declared bankruptcy after the bubble burst in the 90's comic boom. There are some great video essays around YouTube that cover this era and why Marvel did what they did, what happened to the company and how it evolved into making Marvel Studios the financial, commercial, and pop-cultural juggernaut it is today.
As for actors being brought into the MCU, it definitely has been a mix of well-knowns and unknowns over the years. RDJ, Evans, Johannsson, and Ruffalo were all fairly well-known by the time they entered the MCU, but the likes of Hemsworth, Hiddleston, and others were relatively unknown when cast. We can thank Sarah Haley Finn for being the casting director for most of the MCU, bringing in these stars from whatever point in their career and, for the most part, nailing the casting choices for these characters. She definitely doesn't get enough credit for shaping the MCU.
-Marc.
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I gotta say I think the quality of this phase in terms of films is just not there. The only one I love is Spidey. After that comes... The Eternals? (for me, I thought it was entertaining). I know it is very flawed, but unlike most of the other films, I thought it was an even, consistent film with the least annoying/dissapointing moments. Thor has great potential and cool moments, but it was super messy and rushed. Strange and Black Widow were bad and I haven't finished Black Panther, but I found the everything following the nice intro/sendoff to be very boring. Shang Chi I admit was a nice film, but it was one of those very typical origin stories that I have reached my dose of throughout the years.
Looking at Ant Man and how it is performing, I think the MCU needs a course correct, a banger of a film, to correct it. This is getting closer to DCEU levels, which is not good.
Furthermore, films like Dune, Avatar, and Maverick have shown what blockbusters can look like when time is put into their creation. Some of the latest films do not look good in my opinion.
In my opinion one of the key things that made the MCU phases 1-3 so good was the character development and the surprisingly coherent and consistent writing/buildup. Even the stinkers, such as Thor 1 to 2, had a solid arc for Thor and Loki, that ultimately was used very well. It is really missing in this phase.
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In my opinion one of the key things that made the MCU phases 1-3 so good was the character development and the surprisingly coherent and consistent writing/buildup. Even the stinkers, such as Thor 1 to 2, had a solid arc for Thor and Loki, that ultimately was used very well. It is really missing in this phase.
YES! That's pretty much what I have been saying. For the core six original Avengers, they spent time letting us get to know and really like those characters. Most people really liked most of the original core six. And as other characters were introduced and slowly added in, the MCU continued to develop those original six. The character development in phase 4 has been significantly less developed and the writing has been significantly less consistent/cohesive. Too many characters now that people are unsure of because they aren't developed nearly as well, that people are indifferent toward (for similar reasons), or just don't like.
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I'm genuinely curious behind the scenes at Marvel how the drop in quality is happening. Shoddy CGI can be explained by rushed post-production schedules and overworked artists as there are only so many CGI studios out there and they put out a ton on content in phase 4. But the sub-par writing is more of a head scratcher to me. Is the writing process being rushed as well? Are they not giving the scripts time to breath and to be tweaked/improved before starting filming? Are all the good writers refusing to work with Marvel? Was the one person (Feige?) who was closely overseeing the scripts who is being pulled in too many directions to give it the same attention? The noticeable drop in quality is just odd. It's not like it's a completely different leadership team or creative team putting out these movies/shows than it was previously.
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The big names in popularity at the time, both among comic book readers and especially the general public, were Spider-Man and the X-Men. Not even close.
The first Iron Man film was a HUGE risk. DC always kept a lid on their biggest characters for films, since they were owned by an entertainment company (Warner Brothers), but Marvel had farmed out the rights to their biggest properties (Spidey, the X-Men, and even the Fantastic Four) to other studios. Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and the Hulk weren't unknown, but they were not in the same league as those others in the mind of the general public. And of those, only Spider-Man could be considered to be in the same league as the biggest hitters from DC (Superman and Batman).
I don't recall the exact details, but there was a point when the film rights for X-Men, Spider-Man, Fantastic 4, and a few others were already sold off, and Marvel offered to sell the rights for the rest of their characters to, I think, Sony. And they were basically like, "Nah, we're good."
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In my opinion one of the key things that made the MCU phases 1-3 so good was the character development and the surprisingly coherent and consistent writing/buildup. Even the stinkers, such as Thor 1 to 2, had a solid arc for Thor and Loki, that ultimately was used very well. It is really missing in this phase.
YES! That's pretty much what I have been saying. For the core six original Avengers, they spent time letting us get to know and really like those characters. Most people really liked most of the original core six. And as other characters were introduced and slowly added in, the MCU continued to develop those original six. The character development in phase 4 has been significantly less developed and the writing has been significantly less consistent/cohesive. Too many characters now that people are unsure of because they aren't developed nearly as well, that people are indifferent toward (for similar reasons), or just don't like.
Do you think it's partly a case of oversaturation? In phase one they could do it cause they only had 3 major characters with Nat, Bruce and Clint on the side basically. Now we got a bazillion characters, but they still have to keep some narrative flowing, so it just looks sloppy introducing the noobs while keeping the OGs involved. Maybe by the time Secret Wars comes around we'll see a reason to the madness, but in the midst its just madness.
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I'll point out that the x-men had about a decade's worth of cartoon series' under their belt. Iron Man and Thor did not. Thor was my fave comic book hero - I sure as hell knew him from the 80s and 90s. But as for mainstream exposure, x-men had way more than any of the Avengers.
To Bob's point... I guess it's a regional thing maybe?
This is a big one. Spider-Man had its own shows in the 90's, and so did the X-Men. While a good chunk of MCU fans read the comics, I would bet the amount or even bigger group of people know the characters from the cartoon series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX7fzbsw9HM
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Multiple cartoon series'. I was a loyal follower of Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends. And
everyone all us fogeys know the OG Spider-Man series from the 60s.
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In my opinion one of the key things that made the MCU phases 1-3 so good was the character development and the surprisingly coherent and consistent writing/buildup. Even the stinkers, such as Thor 1 to 2, had a solid arc for Thor and Loki, that ultimately was used very well. It is really missing in this phase.
YES! That's pretty much what I have been saying. For the core six original Avengers, they spent time letting us get to know and really like those characters. Most people really liked most of the original core six. And as other characters were introduced and slowly added in, the MCU continued to develop those original six. The character development in phase 4 has been significantly less developed and the writing has been significantly less consistent/cohesive. Too many characters now that people are unsure of because they aren't developed nearly as well, that people are indifferent toward (for similar reasons), or just don't like.
Do you think it's partly a case of oversaturation? In phase one they could do it cause they only had 3 major characters with Nat, Bruce and Clint on the side basically. Now we got a bazillion characters, but they still have to keep some narrative flowing, so it just looks sloppy introducing the noobs while keeping the OGs involved. Maybe by the time Secret Wars comes around we'll see a reason to the madness, but in the midst its just madness.
I think oversaturation is an issue. But I think it's separate from the dropoff in quality of writing.
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In my opinion one of the key things that made the MCU phases 1-3 so good was the character development and the surprisingly coherent and consistent writing/buildup. Even the stinkers, such as Thor 1 to 2, had a solid arc for Thor and Loki, that ultimately was used very well. It is really missing in this phase.
YES! That's pretty much what I have been saying. For the core six original Avengers, they spent time letting us get to know and really like those characters. Most people really liked most of the original core six. And as other characters were introduced and slowly added in, the MCU continued to develop those original six. The character development in phase 4 has been significantly less developed and the writing has been significantly less consistent/cohesive. Too many characters now that people are unsure of because they aren't developed nearly as well, that people are indifferent toward (for similar reasons), or just don't like.
Do you think it's partly a case of oversaturation? In phase one they could do it cause they only had 3 major characters with Nat, Bruce and Clint on the side basically. Now we got a bazillion characters, but they still have to keep some narrative flowing, so it just looks sloppy introducing the noobs while keeping the OGs involved. Maybe by the time Secret Wars comes around we'll see a reason to the madness, but in the midst its just madness.
I think oversaturation is an issue. But I think it's separate from the dropoff in quality of writing.
Or in part the oversaturation is causing the drop in writing quality... Trying to juggle ten balls at once, looking like shit, instead of juggling 3 and making it look good.
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Yea, it's definitely a lot of issues but lack of quality writing is I think key. Marvel has proven itself easily capable of hyping up unknown characters into giant blockbusters. But the writing.....yeesh.
I think there's three major things I would fix, though who knows how it would help.
1) Less stuff. Between the shows and the movies, we are getting SO much content that it's harder and harder to become invested in it. Didn't like Moon Knight? Don't worry! 2 movies and 3 other shows will be here in a few months. Giving us more meaningful movies/shows with time to really miss it might help. It also means we keep getting new characters and then having to wait years for them to do something else because they need those years to tell the stories of 30 other characters.
2) Stop leaving all of the writing to TV writers. I love Rick and Morty as much as the next nerdy 12 year old boy. I think the writing is generally brilliant....for a 22 minute show that focuses on a sense of overall meaninglessness. These are movies. They need to be written by people who truly understand how movies are written. Marvel may be one huge television show, but it doesn't actually work that way when you have 2-2.5 hour episodes and 3-5 months between each episode. So yea, move away from a TV mentality for the movies. Give us proper structures with movies focused on character and less 18 things happening to get to the other thing to get us to the last thing.
3) Get Kevin a partner. Kevin is a genius at the bigger picture, but now the picture is HUGE. I think he needs to focus on how things add up but he can get a partner or two to focus on the individual movies, make sure movie X is great as is, and also connects to storyline Y later on, but again...doesn't JUST do that.
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1) Less stuff. Between the shows and the movies, we are getting SO much content that it's harder and harder to become invested in it. Didn't like Moon Knight? Don't worry! 2 movies and 3 other shows will be here in a few months. Giving us more meaningful movies/shows with time to really miss it might help. It also means we keep getting new characters and then having to wait years for them to do something else because they need those years to tell the stories of 30 other characters.
Yeah this is a major problem. Kate Bishop was one the better characters introduced in Phase 4 - but as far as I can see she isn't in any upcoming project? Then you have a couple of shows that honestly do enough people care about? Echo? House of Harkness? even Ironheart?
Ant-Man 3 isn't doing great at the box-office which will probably be a worry as this was the film to lead Phase 5 and kickstart the Kang storyline. Guardian 3 will be fine, but ultimately it's probably the last time we'll see those characters. The Marvels will be divisive as it will already have the toxic side of the internet against it.
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Ant-Man 3 isn't doing great at the box-office which will probably be a worry as this was the film to lead Phase 5 and kickstart the Kang storyline.
I don't understand where this comment is coming from, and it has been mentioned a few times already. Domestically, this movie is doing much better than the first two installments of the trilogy did in the first two weeks. And based on BoxOffice Mojo, it seems that it is the same internationally (Except for China, where there is big drop in revenue).
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Ant-Man 3 isn't doing great at the box-office which will probably be a worry as this was the film to lead Phase 5 and kickstart the Kang storyline.
I don't understand where this comment is coming from, and it has been mentioned a few times already. Domestically, this movie is doing much better than the first two installments of the trilogy did in the first two weeks. And based on BoxOffice Mojo, it seems that it is the same internationally (Except for China, where there is big drop in revenue).
Yes, it's making more money, but the film cost more to produce than the first two Ant-Man films did. There were also reports over the weekend that Quantumania would see the biggest week-to-week/second-week drop in box office revenue in MCU history, with a 69-70% drop, a higher percentage than the previous record holder Black Widow. So yeah, it made money, in it's FIRST week, but it might not have the same legs its predecessors had, and with some big ticket films coming out in March (Creed III, Shazam 2, John Wick 4), it probably won't fare well in its 3rd-7th weeks.
-Marc.
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Yeah, it's not doing "badly" by any reasonable definition. But I think the hopes were higher for it. One of the "problems" with it in the abstract is just the fact that it's an "Ant Man" film that is suddenly being thrust to the forefront of the MCU as leading the charge into phases 5 and 6 by being both the literal beginning of phase 5 and the first film to set up the threat of Kang. Ant Man just doesn't have the gravitas of an Iron Man, Cap, or Thor, so I think there's a subconscious disconnect there between a character who has seemed relatively unimportant (both as an individual and in terms of his actual movies) and a plot point that is so big and far-reaching. Narratively, it makes perfect sense. From a marketing standpoint, perhaps less so.
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Ant-Man 3 isn't doing great at the box-office which will probably be a worry as this was the film to lead Phase 5 and kickstart the Kang storyline.
I don't understand where this comment is coming from, and it has been mentioned a few times already. Domestically, this movie is doing much better than the first two installments of the trilogy did in the first two weeks. And based on BoxOffice Mojo, it seems that it is the same internationally (Except for China, where there is big drop in revenue).
Its highly unlikely to reach the amount Ant-Man and Wasp took. Given the importance of this movie, I stand by 'not great'. And this is the first Marvel movie to be released in China for a couple of years! I would have thought 800 million would be acceptable, at the minute it's tracking at 600 million.
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So it seems we will see Frank Castle/The Punisher in the MCU again :metal
I hope it's for a bit more than a cameo
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So it seems we will see Frank Castle/The Punisher in the MCU again :metal
I hope it's for a bit more than a cameo
I hope he doesn't show up making a bunch of quips.
Also ready the actor who played Foggy won't be back. I hope they don't recast him, and not featuring him at all would be odd. Honestly after just recently re-watching three seasons of DD, I have so little excitement for this new series. They just did it SO perfectly before and making it MORE Disney and MORE MCU won't do it much service, but hopefully by the time it comes out, I'll be able to judge it on its own merits and not compare it to seasons 1-3, though that'll be hard.
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I'm curious if the MCU version of DD and Punisher are the same versions as the Netflix series or if they'll be considered variants in the multiverse.
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I'm curious if the MCU version of DD and Punisher are the same versions as the Netflix series or if they'll be considered variants in the multiverse.
I think they're officially variants. The Netflix stuff is not considered prime MCU but is probably similar to the other Spider-Man movies and such.
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Just watched the four part series Mpower, celebrating the women of the MCU. Outstanding documentaries. Really, really well done.
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I bet Feige is not happy this very moment:
Jonathan Majors was reportedly arrested this weekend on charges of strangulation, assault and harassment.
His rep claims “he's done nothing wrong. We look forward to clearing his name and clearing this up."
(Source: TMZ)
I sense a recast in the air.
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I bet Feige is not happy this very moment:
Jonathan Majors was reportedly arrested this weekend on charges of strangulation, assault and harassment.
His rep claims “he's done nothing wrong. We look forward to clearing his name and clearing this up."
(Source: TMZ)
I sense a recast in the air.
Between this and Disney firing Victoria Alonso, things aren't looking good for Marvel Studios.
-Marc.
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They seem to prefer to shoot now, and (maybe) ask questions later.
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Things might get a bit messy for Majors if the reports are true.
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Well, the great news in the multiverse is that Kang can be recast a 7 foot tall white woman and it can be easily explained away as a variant.
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I bet Feige is not happy this very moment:
Jonathan Majors was reportedly arrested this weekend on charges of strangulation, assault and harassment.
His rep claims “he's done nothing wrong. We look forward to clearing his name and clearing this up."
(Source: TMZ)
I sense a recast in the air.
Between this and Disney firing Victoria Alonso, things aren't looking good for Marvel Studios.
-Marc.
I don't get why people even care about the Victoria Alonso thing. From what's been revealed so far, she was pretty clearly in breach of her contract. And her spending time producing a non-Marvel movie at the same time Marvel is being criticized for how they deal with the FX houses under her purview is not a good look.
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Certainly not the best collage of images for this news, but, OK.
(https://i.ibb.co/hcMX8Fr/Captura-de-pantalla-2023-03-30-a-la-s-19-17-43.png)
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Oh wow he's got her trained . . . what a scumbag.
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The text messages released don't really help him much.
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I hate these kinds of situations. For the obvious reason that a woman was likely physically abused of course. But what does Marvel do here? Fire him based on limited evidence of potential wrongdoing that the only main witness is now saying is nothing?
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I hate these kinds of situations. For the obvious reason that a woman was likely physically abused of course. But what does Marvel do here? Fire him based on limited evidence of potential wrongdoing that the only main witness is now saying is nothing?
We live in an age where for certain crimes - identity politics crimes, or political crimes, in particular - it's no longer "innocent until proven guilty", it's "innocent until accused". The accusation is enough. It's ironic that so many seem to think the way to get MORE due process is to INFRINGE due process.
And none of this is to defend Jonathan Majors; I barely know who he is (honestly, I know him for hosting SNL more than anything) and have no idea what happened in that apartment/house/whatever, but we have a justice SYSTEM for a reason.
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I hate these kinds of situations. For the obvious reason that a woman was likely physically abused of course. But what does Marvel do here? Fire him based on limited evidence of potential wrongdoing that the only main witness is now saying is nothing?
We live in an age where for certain crimes - identity politics crimes, or political crimes, in particular - it's no longer "innocent until proven guilty", it's "innocent until accused". The accusation is enough. It's ironic that so many seem to think the way to get MORE due process is to INFRINGE due process.
And none of this is to defend Jonathan Majors; I barely know who he is (honestly, I know him for hosting SNL more than anything) and have no idea what happened in that apartment/house/whatever, but we have a justice SYSTEM for a reason.
Right, as far as the law goes he is innocent until proven guilty. That doesn't mean Marvel or any other studio needs to continue working with him.
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Given how good he has been so far as Kang, I hope they keep him around. Or at least wait until after his court appearance to make a decision.
On a side note about him, the more I think about that last episode in Loki S1, the more amazed I am at his performance. It was a bit underwhelming at first but that last episode is brilliant.
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And he is literally the lynchpin of their storytelling for the next 3 years. Sticking with him could be death, but getting rid of him would be enormously difficult.
For once, I'm glad I'm not wearing Kevin Feige's hat.
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I hate these kinds of situations. For the obvious reason that a woman was likely physically abused of course. But what does Marvel do here? Fire him based on limited evidence of potential wrongdoing that the only main witness is now saying is nothing?
We live in an age where for certain crimes - identity politics crimes, or political crimes, in particular - it's no longer "innocent until proven guilty", it's "innocent until accused". The accusation is enough. It's ironic that so many seem to think the way to get MORE due process is to INFRINGE due process.
And none of this is to defend Jonathan Majors; I barely know who he is (honestly, I know him for hosting SNL more than anything) and have no idea what happened in that apartment/house/whatever, but we have a justice SYSTEM for a reason.
Right, as far as the law goes he is innocent until proven guilty. That doesn't mean Marvel or any other studio needs to continue working with him.
Of course they don't (unless there's a contract that says otherwise). But at some point, there's a principle at stake; if the consequences aggregate high enough, it's de facto punishment, and the fact that it's not the government administering it isn't really relevant anymore. It's just a form of street justice. We would (hopefully) be outraged if someone walked up to Majors and knifed him in the face for his "crimes". This is the same thing in principle, just more benign in terms of outrageousness.
Or we should just be honest with ourselves: there are a lot of people (especially today) talking about "JUSTICE!" and "DEMOCRACY!" when it's crystal clear that those principles - hard, so very hard to implement when it's inconvenient - have taken a back seat to "VINDICITIVENESS!" and "REVENGE!" and "PUNISHMENT!".
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And he is literally the lynchpin of their storytelling for the next 3 years. Sticking with him could be death, but getting rid of him would be enormously difficult.
For once, I'm glad I'm not wearing Kevin Feige's hat.
Honest question: How many actual ticket buyers - I don't mean Twitter whores, I mean actual MCU fans - are going to say "Hmmm, I'm invested in this Marvel storyline, for which I've watched 37 movies so far. But the new one has this guy that they say walloped his girlfriend (or whatever); yeah, think I'm going to sit this one out."?
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And he is literally the lynchpin of their storytelling for the next 3 years. Sticking with him could be death, but getting rid of him would be enormously difficult.
For once, I'm glad I'm not wearing Kevin Feige's hat.
Honesty question: How many actual ticket buyers - I don't mean Twitter whores, I mean actual MCU fans - are going to say "Hmmm, I'm invested in this Marvel storyline, for which I've watched 37 movies so far. But the new one has this guy that they say walloped his girlfriend (or whatever); yeah, think I'm going to sit this one out."?
I have no idea. And since I'm not bankrolling the franchise, it's not a question with which I have to wrestle.
But I suspect that it would be enough to lessen box office takes for at least some of those films, which isn't good in a time where they are already showing lower takes than they are accustomed to.
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If this is a one time incident and Majors is never again associated with potential domestic abuse, I think we'll all forget about it in a few months. If I were his manager I get him in counselling, coaching, whatever is needed to ensure this never happens again.
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Problem is that history shows it’s never the first time (the one that becomes public).
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Certainly not the best collage of images for this news, but, OK.
(https://i.ibb.co/hcMX8Fr/Captura-de-pantalla-2023-03-30-a-la-s-19-17-43.png)
Looks like they cast the perfect villain. He somehow makes Thanos likeable.
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And he is literally the lynchpin of their storytelling for the next 3 years. Sticking with him could be death, but getting rid of him would be enormously difficult.
For once, I'm glad I'm not wearing Kevin Feige's hat.
Well, since you broke the last hat you were entrusted with, I think we're all glad.
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And he is literally the lynchpin of their storytelling for the next 3 years. Sticking with him could be death, but getting rid of him would be enormously difficult.
For once, I'm glad I'm not wearing Kevin Feige's hat.
Well, since you broke the last hat you were entrusted with, I think we're all glad.
Good point. Dammit.
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:lol
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DC and MCU crossover?
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/marvel-dc-universe-crossover-discussed-james-gunn-1235576102/
I had a thought about this when watching Shazam, given than both universes have made references to each other. I know it has happened in the comics (Though I don't think it has happened on tv), so would be fun to watch it on the big screen. If they do decide to have a crossover, I know it won't be until at least 4-5 years from now, given that Phase 5 and 6 of the MCU are set, and DC is restarting the whole thing.
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Hmmm, pass.
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DC and MCU crossover?
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/marvel-dc-universe-crossover-discussed-james-gunn-1235576102/
I had a thought about this when watching Shazam, given than both universes have made references to each other. I know it has happened in the comics (Though I don't think it has happened on tv), so would be fun to watch it on the big screen. If they do decide to have a crossover, I know it won't be until at least 4-5 years from now, given that Phase 5 and 6 of the MCU are set, and DC is restarting the whole thing.
Terrible idea.
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Agreed, Feige doesn’t need to go slumming like that.
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Been doing a re-watch of the D+ shows, and I just have to say, TFatWS aged really, really well. Such a well written and produced show, without really going stupid like a good deal of MCU stuff does.
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https://variety.com/2023/film/news/hugh-jackman-wolverine-deadpool-3-diverges-x-men-films-1235586735/
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I saw Thor: Love and Thunder. Liked it beyond my expectations!
I saw it described as a movie too corny and way to much on the humour side, but I thought the humour was just fine? I expected something completely wacky, sure the funny and cheesy moments were there but not in a way that dumbed down the movie, or made it too light-hearted to take seriously, it was just another fun Marvel movie and it was a good experience.
Frankly, the worst offense of the movie was splattering Guns n' Roses all over the place and using Dio (Rainbow in the Dark) only in the credits.
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I saw Thor: Love and Thunder. Liked it beyond my expectations!
I saw it described as a movie too corny and way to much on the humour side, but I thought the humour was just fine? I expected something completely wacky, sure the funny and cheesy moments were there but not in a way that dumbed down the movie, or made it too light-hearted to take seriously, it was just another fun Marvel movie and it was a good experience.
Frankly, the worst offense of the movie was splattering Guns n' Roses all over the place and using Dio (Rainbow in the Dark) only in the credits.
You must've watched a different movie than most of us.
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I saw Thor: Love and Thunder. Liked it beyond my expectations!
I saw it described as a movie too corny and way to much on the humour side, but I thought the humour was just fine? I expected something completely wacky, sure the funny and cheesy moments were there but not in a way that dumbed down the movie, or made it too light-hearted to take seriously, it was just another fun Marvel movie and it was a good experience.
Frankly, the worst offense of the movie was splattering Guns n' Roses all over the place and using Dio (Rainbow in the Dark) only in the credits.
I thought it was better than the two movies that followed it Black Panther 2 and Ant-Man 3.
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Thor 4 just felt like Taika telling Marvel to F themselves through the medium of movie. I love the guy but he just didn’t seem to care at all based on the result.
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Yeah, it really didn't do much for me. The only MCU film I haven't re-watched.
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LAT is the worst MCU movie. It made Dark World look like Hamlet.
That being said, I still had fun with it. But I most agree with Adami’s statement that it felt like a bit of a raspberry with a middle finger thrown in for good measure.
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I'm sure one I'll rewatch it, and it's pretty close with MoM for my most disliked MCU movie, but the more I think about LaT, the more I dislike it.
Maybe this was Taika's version of quiet quitting. Even Chris Hemsworth (before the whole diagnosis thing) said that future Thor movies should be reinvented and go in a different direction. I'm just shocked that some of these scripts are getting Kevin's thumbs up. Or maybe the initial scripts aren't bad and the movie gets lost in production/editing/post or whatever. Who knows?
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I read a comment recently that in a way gave L&T new meaning.
The comment mentioned how the entire movie it's been told from Korg's view (The movie starts and ends with him narrating, so it is assume the rest is also a narration except for the first scene with Gorr), which is why is so goofy. Some of the scenes Korg wasn't even present for, and he might be exaggerating the details based on what he knows.
The comment comes off as an excuse for how poorly executed the movie was, but at the same time it does makes sense in its own way. With that said, I liked the movie a bit more the second time I saw it, but it is still bottom of the barrel for me.
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Everything wrong with Love and Thunder is pretty much worst on with Ant-Man 3. And The Eternals is obviously the worst Marvel movie!
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I read a comment recently that in a way gave L&T new meaning.
The comment mentioned how the entire movie it's been told from Korg's view (The movie starts and ends with him narrating, so it is assume the rest is also a narration except for the first scene with Gorr), which is why is so goofy. Some of the scenes Korg wasn't even present for, and he might be exaggerating the details based on what he knows.
The comment comes off as an excuse for how poorly executed the movie was, but at the same time it does makes sense in its own way. With that said, I liked the movie a bit more the second time I saw it, but it is still bottom of the barrel for me.
That's a good theory, but the movie was still mostly unfunny. Mostly.
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I read a comment recently that in a way gave L&T new meaning.
The comment mentioned how the entire movie it's been told from Korg's view (The movie starts and ends with him narrating, so it is assume the rest is also a narration except for the first scene with Gorr), which is why is so goofy. Some of the scenes Korg wasn't even present for, and he might be exaggerating the details based on what he knows.
The comment comes off as an excuse for how poorly executed the movie was, but at the same time it does makes sense in its own way. With that said, I liked the movie a bit more the second time I saw it, but it is still bottom of the barrel for me.
I read something like that way back when the movie first came out, and I thought it made a lot of sense. The scenes with Zeus, for example, were ridiculous and so over-the-top that they had to be parody. They were supposed to be! In that context, I thought they were hilarious. There were other scenes that were similarly incredible, and again, if you presume they're meant to be that way, they work.
Now... how all that is supposed to work with the very serious story of Gorr and the Godslayer, I don't know. That didn't work.
Same with Jane becoming the new Thor. I get that that's a storyline from the comics, but as one of the carefully selected stories they've chosen to tell within MCU, I had trouble with it. On the other hand, it was very sad that she was dying from cancer and this gave her character a much more positive arc.
The movie was still a mess, but it wasn't completely devoid of entertainment value like some are saying. There's always a certain amount of "switch off your brain and just get into it" involved with MCU; this one just took a bit more.
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Maybe this was Taika's version of quiet quitting. Even Chris Hemsworth (before the whole diagnosis thing) said that future Thor movies should be reinvented and go in a different direction. I'm just shocked that some of these scripts are getting Kevin's thumbs up. Or maybe the initial scripts aren't bad and the movie gets lost in production/editing/post or whatever. Who knows?
There was a ton of stuff that was filmed, but didn't make it into the movie, including entire characters/arcs. So I think it came down to the editing.
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Everything wrong with Love and Thunder is pretty much worst on with Ant-Man 3. And The Eternals is obviously the worst Marvel movie!
Yes, just saw Quantumania tonight. Groaned out loud at a lot of the dialogue. Visually stunning of course; I guess that’s what’s most important to them. That gal in my avatar could bring back some much needed gravitas to the MCU.
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Everything wrong with Love and Thunder is pretty much worst on with Ant-Man 3. And The Eternals is obviously the worst Marvel movie!
Yes, just saw Quantumania tonight. Groaned out loud at a lot of the dialogue. Visually stunning of course; I guess that’s what’s most important to them.
I would not call it visually stunning. I’d call it visually busy. It’s hard to appreciate anything when there’s 6000 things happening all the time on screen.
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Everything wrong with Love and Thunder is pretty much worst on with Ant-Man 3. And The Eternals is obviously the worst Marvel movie!
Yes, just saw Quantumania tonight. Groaned out loud at a lot of the dialogue. Visually stunning of course; I guess that’s what’s most important to them.
I would not call it visually stunning. I’d call it visually busy. It’s hard to appreciate anything when there’s 6000 things happening all the time on screen.
Yeah agreed, reminded me of the Star Wars Prequels.
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Was I dreaming or did the protagonist’s daughter actually tell a bad guy “don’t be a dick” and he became a good guy? All the proof I need Feige doesn’t give a shit anymore.
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Has a decision been made in Jonathan Majors yet? Seems like a recast for Loki season 2 and having some version of Kang be Majors and other versions be another actor might be a good way to make the switch, if they indeed go that direction.
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Marvel’s been burying the story and hoping it goes away.
And even though people raised an eyebrow when his girlfriend defended him, I think they will ultimately be successful at ignoring it as long as there are zero more outbursts.
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Marvel’s been burying the story and hoping it goes away.
And even though people raised an eyebrow when his girlfriend defended him, I think they will ultimately be successful at ignoring it as long as there are zero more outbursts.
Yeah, I'd say they're definitely in the grey area now with their fingers crossed nothing else happens
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Marvel’s been burying the story and hoping it goes away.
And even though people raised an eyebrow when his girlfriend defended him, I think they will ultimately be successful at ignoring it as long as there are zero more outbursts.
Yeah, I'd say they're definitely in the grey area now with their fingers crossed nothing else happens
And I’m absolutely positive that Marvel had a private meeting with him, insisting that he take anger management classes, and probably also drew a line in the sand saying that he needs to be Tom Hanks levels of squeaky clean or he’s gone.
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Oh absolutely, probably re-wrote his contract a bit too I'd imagine
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It's not too surprising.
DC seems to be sticking with Ezra for the moment at least.
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It's not too surprising.
DC seems to be sticking with Ezra for the moment at least.
That guy makes Majors look like Tom Hanks.
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It's not too surprising.
DC seems to be sticking with Ezra for the moment at least.
That guy makes Majors look like Tom Hanks.
The sad part is I really like Ezra Miller as an actor, at least the roles I've seen them in, and they look like they're going to be great in The Flash, and I say that as someone who isn't super pumped about Keaton returning (which I really should be).
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It's not too surprising.
DC seems to be sticking with Ezra for the moment at least.
That guy makes Majors look like Tom Hanks.
The sad part is I really like Ezra Miller as an actor, at least the roles I've seen them in, and they look like they're going to be great in The Flash, and I say that as someone who isn't super pumped about Keaton returning (which I really should be).
I saw that coming attraction when I saw GOTG3 this weekend. And I’m sorry, but I got to say that even with Michael Keaton‘s involvement, the film still looks like a train wreck. What a waste of a fantastic idea.
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It's not too surprising.
DC seems to be sticking with Ezra for the moment at least.
I think because they had the movie in the can. They couldn't afford to bench the film after they invested so much money into it.
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It's not too surprising.
DC seems to be sticking with Ezra for the moment at least.
That guy makes Majors look like Tom Hanks.
The sad part is I really like Ezra Miller as an actor, at least the roles I've seen them in, and they look like they're going to be great in The Flash, and I say that as someone who isn't super pumped about Keaton returning (which I really should be).
Just replace him with Barry Keoghan - they look quite similar and Barry has no baggage and is a better actor.....and he's already called Barry.
I know it's all talk at the minute, but the rumours coming out are that The Flash is going to be surprisingly very, very good.
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There are rumors that Loveness (Writer for Quantumania, and Kang Dynasty) left the MCU.
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Was I dreaming or did the protagonist’s daughter actually tell a bad guy “don’t be a dick” and he became a good guy? All the proof I need Feige doesn’t give a shit anymore.
To each their own, but I loved that whole scene and thought the movie was pretty darn good and I found the visuals mostly awesome, particular the creature/character designs.
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Not directly MCU material, but trailer for a Stan Lee documentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN45yyu_rCw
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While not directly related to the MCU (as far as we know), the SSU (Sony's Spider-Man Universe) film El Muerto, once starring Bad Bunny, has been taken off its release date of January 2024, and there were reports that Bad Bunny has left the project.
Outside of any film actually starring Spider-Man (live action or animated), Sony seems to be throwing out ideas and hoping they'll stick and most of the time, they haven't stuck. Seems like Venom (the first one) might be their best one and it's been downhill ever since. The new Kraven trailer has a BIT of promise but it feels very Morbius-y to me. I really wish Sony would just join with Marvel Studios proper for ALL of their live action films and just let them set them in the MCU from here on out.
-Marc.
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/deadpool-3-jennifer-garner-returning-as-elektra-1235530539/
It’s been rumored that Ben Affleck was returning as Daredevil
Guess this confirms it.
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/deadpool-3-jennifer-garner-returning-as-elektra-1235530539/
It’s been rumored that Ben Affleck was returning as Daredevil
Guess this confirms it.
If Deadpool 3 ends up being "Deadpool Kills The Fox Marvel Universe", it'll be amazing and probably the best live-action comic book film dealing with the multiverse.
Just lemme see Chris Evans' Human Torch one more time and I'll be happy.
-Marc.
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I just hope Deadpool has meat to the story instead of a bunch of cameos.
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The sequel no one asked for, but that we are getting anyways
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8H2CywVqg
I AM GROOT!
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The sequel no one asked for, but that we are getting anyways
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8H2CywVqg
I AM GROOT!
The first season was (mostly) adorable. Happy to watch another season. All together they’re like 15 minutes or something.
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This Avengers Tower lego set looks AMAZING!!! https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/legos-5200-piece-avengers-tower-set-ships-with-31-minifigures-including-kevin-feige-193359347.html
As far as the MCU itself, with the Loki season finale AND The Marvels dropping today, I guess I'm staying away from the Internet.
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This Avengers Tower lego set looks AMAZING!!! https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/legos-5200-piece-avengers-tower-set-ships-with-31-minifigures-including-kevin-feige-193359347.html
As far as the MCU itself, with the Loki season finale AND The Marvels dropping today, I guess I'm staying away from the Internet.
I saw that, it even has a Kevin Feige minifig....that's going to be a collectable for sure.
Still not as epic as the Baron Harkonnen minifig though...
(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1iLncP.img?w=534&h=356&m=6)
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If there was ANY way I could justify spending $500 on a lego set, this would be the one.
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If there was ANY way I could justify spending $500 on a lego set, this would be the one.
Same.
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If there was ANY way I could justify spending $500 on a lego set, this would be the one.
I hang around the Lego circles enough to know some people will drop the 500 just for the Feige minifig. The hardcore Lego people are insane...
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I did spend $500 once - almost 20 years ago on the first detailed Millenium Falcon - 5197 pieces. So this one is just 4 pieces more, and I may have to consider this. Jingle.son and I did the Roman Collosseum a few years back as well - that's over 9000 pieces.
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My father-in-law spent 32 years at Lego (it's former US headquarters is two towns over, in the town I used to live in). I've been to the design shop once (saw a life-size Batmobile in mid-construction). It's times like these I want to say "Get back to work, old man! It's not time to retire yet!!!" :)
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My father-in-law spent 32 years at Lego (it's former US headquarters is two towns over, in the town I used to live in). I've been to the design shop once (saw a life-size Batmobile in mid-construction). It's times like these I want to say "Get back to work, old man! It's not time to retire yet!!!" :)
:lol
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Marvel Studios has supposedly found their new Mister Fantastic/Reed Richards, and it's Hollywood's favorite daddy Pedro Pascal....not sure if this is great and brilliant or typical and cliché, but I'll wait and see how the rest of the cast fills out...
-Marc.
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It'll be a waste if they don't find him an orphan to save and take care of.
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It'll be a waste if they don't find him an orphan to save and take care of.
:clap:
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There’s been hundreds of casting rumors for that movie over the last couple of years. I’ll believe it when I see it. But I do like that choice.
In other news, Destin Daniel Cretton is no longer directing Avengers: The Kang Dynasty. There’s also been rumors that they’re pivoting away from Kang as the big bad of this phase. Hope that’s not true.
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There’s been hundreds of casting rumors for that movie over the last couple of years. I’ll believe it when I see it. But I do like that choice.
In other news, Destin Daniel Cretton is no longer directing Avengers: The Kang Dynasty. There’s also been rumors that they’re pivoting away from Kang as the big bad of this phase. Hope that’s not true.
Considering the writer for that film, Jeff Loveness (writer of Ant-Man & The Wasp: Quantumania) has also exited the film, it's looking like Avengers 5 won't be about Kang anymore.
-Marc.
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What If? S2 trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiEVqZ2Bc_c&ab_channel=MarvelEntertainment
Just leave it alone, Bosk.
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:lol
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Marvel Studios has supposedly found their new Mister Fantastic/Reed Richards, and it's Hollywood's favorite daddy Pedro Pascal....not sure if this is great and brilliant or typical and cliché, but I'll wait and see how the rest of the cast fills out...
-Marc.
I'm not terribly excited by that rumor personally. He's fine I guess. Seems odd for the MCU to cast one of the trendiest and popular actors of the moment though.
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What If? S2 trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiEVqZ2Bc_c&ab_channel=MarvelEntertainment
Just leave it alone, Bosk.
As someone who enjoyed most of Season 1, I'm excited for this. Looks good to me :corn better than Madame Web at least
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MCU casting is usually good, but Pedro as Reed? Huh?
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Kang's empire appears to be crumbling based on all of these changes going on with Marvel. Looking more and more like they are pivoting.
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I think they’re waiting to see how the Jonathan Majors situation turns out before they officially pull the plug on Kang. Which is stupid, you can easily recast him.
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I think they’re waiting to see how the Jonathan Majors situation turns out before they officially pull the plug on Kang. Which is stupid, you can easily recast him.
Is not like they haven't done it.
Hulk, War machine, Fandral, Howard Stark, Red Skull, Thanos, Cassie Lang, etc
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Robert Kirkman (The Walking Dead, Invincible) confirms that Steven Yeun is playing Sentry in Thunderbolts.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfs9C2iZ0zM&t=4861s
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What If? S2 trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiEVqZ2Bc_c&ab_channel=MarvelEntertainment
Just leave it alone, Bosk.
:lol Hey, even though it's not my thing, I don't fault anyone for liking it. I'll still watch it and likely not hate it.
Regarding casting: I typically have almost zero reaction to casting, especially in the MCU. You never really know how someone is going to play a role until you actually see them in it, and a lot of that is very dependent on the script and directing as well. IMO, the MCU has don't extremely well in casting, for the most part, even when casting choices may seem odd at first glance.
Regarding Kang, it continues to amuse and confuse me that anyone gives any credence whatsoever to any theories about Marvel pivoting away from Kang since exactly nobody directly connected to Marvel has ever said anything that would give any credence to that rumor.
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Regarding Kang, it continues to amuse and confuse me that anyone gives any credence whatsoever to any theories about Marvel pivoting away from Kang since exactly nobody directly connected to Marvel has ever said anything that would give any credence to that rumor.
Well other than the news that both the writer AND director of Avengers 5 have both been removed from the film, you're right - there hasn't been anything specific confirmation that it won't still be "Kang Dynasty", but I've been preparing myself for the news that it won't be. I suspect they'll hold those plans close to the chest until next SDCC, which is the same weekend that Deadpool 3 comes out, so they may even keep their announcements tentative until they see how early reviews of Deadpool 3 fare.
-Marc.
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OK, but writers and directors get removed from projects all the time without the project being entirely abandoned.
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OK, but writers and directors get removed from projects all the time without the project being entirely abandoned.
Fair, but it just seemed concerning because Loveness wrote Quantumania, which seemed to be the big Kang jumping off point, more so than Loki. Now that he's off Avengers 5, it's led many to believe there might be a pivot in story.
-Marc.
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Totally agree with Thrill about Doctor Doom.
What an awesome story
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Well, it looks like The Kang Dynasty is still on, for now, as per this announcement:
https://deadline.com/2023/11/loki-michael-waldron-marvel-studios-avengers-kang-dynasty-1235638887/
Looks like Waldron will pen the scripts to BOTH Kang Dynasty AND Secret Wars, which, if they're going for a 1-2-punch like Infinity War and Endgame, hopefully this means there will be consistency between the two as far as writing and story goes.
I suppose if you're going to keep Kang but change anything, it's best to get Waldron over Loveness.
-Marc.
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That's an interesting choice. He was the writer for Loki :tup, but he was also the writer for MoM :)
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That's an interesting choice. He was the writer for Loki :tup, but he was also the writer for MoM :)
He's also a writer for Rick & Morty, so I guess if we're going to cap off the Multiverse Saga right, it might as well be someone who can write multiverse ideas!
-Marc.
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Just saw What If? Episodes will be released on 9 consecutive days
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Just saw What If? Episodes will be released on 9 consecutive days
Yes... jingle.son and I are very much looking forward to being able to binge this together.
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Post-credit scenes have set up a lot of new characters or future plot points that have gone nowhere so far over the last couple of years. How many of them do we think will simply be abandoned at this point given Marvel/Disney's commitment to quality over quantity moving forward? Especially given the X-Men and Fantastic Four coming to the MCU soon. I suspect many will be dropped, or given a token appearance to make sure the post-credit scene has "pay-off".
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Hercules I think is one that we will not see for more than a few minutes on screen, if even.
Starfox/Eros, he might make an appearance at some point but I doubt he will be a big part of any plot.
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https://deadline.com/2023/12/jonathan-majors-marvel-fired-guilty-verdict-1235671790/amp/
Majors has been fired from Marvel Studios. What this means for Avengers: Kang Dynasty is still unclear, and I doubt we will know until at least SDCC 2025, but if they intend to keep Kang, they will have to recast him immediately.
Also, I fully expect Deadpool 3 to make a joke about this.
-Marc.
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I really hope they don't ditch the Kang storyline. He's too good of a potential villain (even if Ant-Man didn't make the best use of his character, I still feel he was the best thing about that movie).
It's a shame for Majors, though. I really enjoyed his performances but the show must go on. I hope they can recast soon.
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Just saw an article that pointed out that D+ silently added all of “The Defenders Saga” to their “MCU timeline order” playlist. The actual shows have been on D+ for awhile, but adding them to the official timeline playlist is new. So I thought that was interesting.
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Interesting for sure. There have been rumors for a while now that the actors for Luke Cage and Jessica Jones would reprise their roles (As well as Frank Castle). That along with Chloe Bennet coming back as Daisy from Agents of Shield, are things that I am interested in seeing at some point in the MCU, and I hope they do happen.
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Interesting for sure. There have been rumors for a while now that the actors for Luke Cage and Jessica Jones would reprise their roles (As well as Frank Castle). That along with Chloe Bennet coming back as Daisy from Agents of Shield, are things that I am interested in seeing at some point in the MCU, and I hope they do happen.
All of that would be great.
And Iron Fist can go rot.
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Hush. Iron Fist was great.
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Interesting for sure. There have been rumors for a while now that the actors for Luke Cage and Jessica Jones would reprise their roles (As well as Frank Castle). That along with Chloe Bennet coming back as Daisy from Agents of Shield, are things that I am interested in seeing at some point in the MCU, and I hope they do happen.
All of that would be great.
And Iron Fist can go rot.
What was his name again, I forget. :lol
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Interesting for sure. There have been rumors for a while now that the actors for Luke Cage and Jessica Jones would reprise their roles (As well as Frank Castle). That along with Chloe Bennet coming back as Daisy from Agents of Shield, are things that I am interested in seeing at some point in the MCU, and I hope they do happen.
All of that would be great.
And Iron Fist can go rot.
What was his name again, I forget. :lol
Danny Rand! The Immortal Iron Fist!
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:rollin
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The crappy part is that Iron Fist was one of my favorite characters from the comics that they decided to include, and then they made THAT. Disappointing, to say the least.
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Interesting for sure. There have been rumors for a while now that the actors for Luke Cage and Jessica Jones would reprise their roles (As well as Frank Castle). That along with Chloe Bennet coming back as Daisy from Agents of Shield, are things that I am interested in seeing at some point in the MCU, and I hope they do happen.
All of that would be great.
And Iron Fist can go rot.
They can bring in Colleen Wing. Danny Rand died on the way back to his home planet K'un-Lun
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The second season of Iron Fist was an improvement. He was almost kinda cool by the end. The story was pretty bad, though; they tried a few things that really didn't work.
But yeah, Colleen was adorable. I was mostly watching the show just for her.
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D+ silently added all of “The Defenders Saga” to their “MCU timeline order” playlist. The actual shows have been on D+ for awhile, but adding them to the official timeline playlist is new. So I thought that was interesting.
Oh yeah, this. :lol I too saw something about how the Netflix stuff was now canon, but there wasn't any detail, so thanks for the info.
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Interesting for sure. There have been rumors for a while now that the actors for Luke Cage and Jessica Jones would reprise their roles (As well as Frank Castle). That along with Chloe Bennet coming back as Daisy from Agents of Shield, are things that I am interested in seeing at some point in the MCU, and I hope they do happen.
All of that would be great.
And Iron Fist can go rot.
What was his name again, I forget. :lol
Danny Rand! The Immortal Iron Fist!
Best part of that series was when he started saying that to Luke and Luke straight up cut him off :lol
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They can bring in Colleen Wing. Danny Rand died on the way back to his home planet K'un-Lun
I like it!
Danny Rand! The Immortal Iron Fist!
Best part of that series was when he started saying that to Luke and Luke straight up cut him off :lol
lol yes
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I always took that as the writers winking at the viewers; it was impossible to read anything online about Iron Fist without someone mentioning that he always said that. So Luke cut him off. There was also a pretty fun scene right after Luke escaped from that guy's makeshift lab with the metal headband still on and the clothes he'd stolen from someone's backyard clothesline. He looked basically like his comic book incarnation, but he caught a glimpse of his reflection and said "I look like a damned fool!" Nice commentary on how flashy comic book colors usually don't translate well to live action.
Speaking of Luke and Danny, though, I did like it when they teamed up; Danny would smash his Iron Fist into Luke, and the resulting shockwave would cause ridiculous devastation. I think that might've been in The Defenders after they were all together.
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I always took that as the writers winking at the viewers; it was impossible to read anything online about Iron Fist without someone mentioning that he always said that. So Luke cut him off. There was also a pretty fun scene right after Luke escaped from that guy's makeshift lab with the metal headband still on and the clothes he'd stolen from someone's backyard clothesline. He looked basically like his comic book incarnation, but he caught a glimpse of his reflection and said "I look like a damned fool!" Nice commentary on how flashy comic book colors usually don't translate well to live action.
Speaking of Luke and Danny, though, I did like it when they teamed up; Danny would smash his Iron Fist into Luke, and the resulting shockwave would cause ridiculous devastation. I think that might've been in The Defenders after they were all together.
I *really* hope they are able to bring them back and make a Marvel Spotlight mini-series titled "Heroes For Hire", because IIRC, the comic of that title originated as a team-up between Luke and Danny, and it would be a fun way to bring back both characters and put them in the MCU together without having to dedicate a whole show for each, but not have something so big that would require Matt and Jessica to tag along as well.
-Marc.
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And now several sites are reporting that the scuttlebutt going around is that Eldon Henson and Deborah Ann Woll (Foggy and Karen from the Netflix DD) are definitely returning to the new series. I will absolutely stand up and cheer if this is true, because it was previously reported that they were not involved and the actors had said no one had contacted them.
This makes me very happy, if true.
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And now several sites are reporting that the scuttlebutt going around is that Eldon Henson and Deborah Ann Woll (Foggy and Karen from the Netflix DD) are definitely returning to the new series. I will absolutely stand up and cheer if this is true, because it was previously reported that they were not involved and the actors had said no one had contacted them.
This makes me very happy, if true.
Seeing this as well. It appears the new creative team is bringing them back but also cautioned that they may only be in an episode or so. Sounds like the characters might not be very involved, which kind of sucks.
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I thought it was interesting that D+ added all the old Netflix shows to the official MCU timeline order on their list.
Last year, I began watching the Netflix shows in order and got up to (but hadn’t started) The Defenders.
I didn’t want to start all over again, so I went to the D+ official timeline, skipped up to The Defenders, and I’m thinking I might just move through the official timeline from here forward.
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We still don't know if this will be part of the MCU canon or not, but the trailer for X-Men 97 dropped!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv3Ss8o9gGQ
Can't wait for this :corn
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We still don't know if this will be part of the MCU canon or not, but the trailer for X-Men 97 dropped!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv3Ss8o9gGQ
Can't wait for this :corn
It definitely looks and feels like the original, which was their stated goal.
I never watched the original, but I may try to sneak in some episodes here and there.
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Yeah, I like that they kept the same looks, just cleaned them up a bit.
I haven't seen the original in probably 20 years, I'm sure it would feel outdated if I tried watching it now. X-Men Evolution was another great series too if you have time to catch an episode every so often.
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I should watch it eating a bowl of cereal like I did back in the day after coming home from school.
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I should watch it eating a bowl of cereal like I did back in the day after coming home from school.
:tup
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Yeah, I like that they kept the same looks, just cleaned them up a bit.
I haven't seen the original in probably 20 years, I'm sure it would feel outdated if I tried watching it now. X-Men Evolution was another great series too if you have time to catch an episode every so often.
I rewatched the series a year or two ago, and still really enjoyed. it.
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I didn’t think I’d have such a terrible time trying to get The Marvels on 4K BluRay. My local Fred Meyer “changed vendors and only carries Sony movies now”. Seriously?
I did a search on Amazon and it only showed me the Amazon Prime streaming. Seriously? I can’t even order it on Amazon???
I finally found out that my local Walmart has them in stock, so I’ll pick it up tomorrow on the way home from work. I hate going to Walmart.
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I didn’t think I’d have such a terrible time trying to get The Marvels on 4K BluRay. My local Fred Meyer “changed vendors and only carries Sony movies now”. Seriously?
I did a search on Amazon and it only showed me the Amazon Prime streaming. Seriously? I can’t even order it on Amazon???
I finally found out that my local Walmart has them in stock, so I’ll pick it up tomorrow on the way home from work. I hate going to Walmart.
Walmart's page for the steelbook BD set kept going in and out of stock up to release date but thankfully I managed to get one ordered and it arrived yesterday. I'm also sad that it seems like Target won't do anymore Disney/MCU exclusives anymore. The last five MCU films I got on BD were the Walmart exclusives, which all came with cool little pins up until The Marvels, which was a steelbook because I think they got the license to do them now that BestBuy is out of the physical media business.
-Marc
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I didn’t think I’d have such a terrible time trying to get The Marvels on 4K BluRay. My local Fred Meyer “changed vendors and only carries Sony movies now”. Seriously?
I did a search on Amazon and it only showed me the Amazon Prime streaming. Seriously? I can’t even order it on Amazon???
I finally found out that my local Walmart has them in stock, so I’ll pick it up tomorrow on the way home from work. I hate going to Walmart.
Yea. Not finding it on Amazon either. Very very odd. I don’t really have a lot of places I can go around here. Maybe Best Buy?
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I didn’t think I’d have such a terrible time trying to get The Marvels on 4K BluRay. My local Fred Meyer “changed vendors and only carries Sony movies now”. Seriously?
I did a search on Amazon and it only showed me the Amazon Prime streaming. Seriously? I can’t even order it on Amazon???
I finally found out that my local Walmart has them in stock, so I’ll pick it up tomorrow on the way home from work. I hate going to Walmart.
Yea. Not finding it on Amazon either. Very very odd. I don’t really have a lot of places I can go around here. Maybe Best Buy?
As I mentioned above, starting this year (over a month ago), Best Buy stopped carrying physical media, including CDs and BDs (not sure about video games).
-Marc.
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I see the BD on amazon
https://www.amazon.com/The-Marvels-Blu-ray/dp/B0CRRTQBGV?tag=bluray-022-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
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4K version https://www.amazon.com/The-Marvels-4K-Blu-ray/dp/B0CRRY198M?tag=bluray-022-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
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Thanks! Dunno why I couldn’t find it.
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I see the BD on amazon
https://www.amazon.com/The-Marvels-Blu-ray/dp/B0CRRTQBGV?tag=bluray-022-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
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4K version https://www.amazon.com/The-Marvels-4K-Blu-ray/dp/B0CRRY198M?tag=bluray-022-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
That is so weird. I literally typed in “The Marvels 4K BluRay” and nothing came up but the streaming version of The Marvels and the BluRay of every other MCU film except The Marvels. But I thank you for finding it.
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I just watched The Marvel's. I absolutely loved it. The extra scene, 🔥
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I watched it last last week. Very middle of the road MCU movie. I liked the chemistry between the 3 leads, but couldn't care less about the villain and whatever her deal was.
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I'm planning on re-watching it again tomorrow since I have the day off.
While it is not without its flaws, the movie is way better than reviews made it out to be. But yeah, the villain could've been much better.
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The villain was no worse than any other Marvel villain not named Thanos.
At least the decent motivation was there. I thought the angle of Carol thinking she was liberating the Kree and ending up doing more harm than good was a good one. It stays in line with the Marvel mantra of their superhero’s being more fallible.
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We are now ten films into the Multiverse Saga, even though only less than half of them really relate to the Multiverse (then again, less than half of the first 23 films in the Infinity Saga related to the Infinity Stones). I figured we could do what DTF does best and rank the ten films released since July 2021's Black Widow.
Spider-Man: No Way Home
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 3
Shang-Chi ATLOTTR
Doctor Strange In The M.O.M.
Black Widow
The Marvels
Eternals
Ant-Man & The Wasp: Quantumania
Thor: Love And Thunder
It's funny how there's so many sequels in this bunch, and really only two brand new franchises/characters in Shang-Chi and Eternals, and I'm really only clamoring for a Shang-Chi sequel (though if written well, an Eternals sequel could be good). Both Spider-Man GOTG show just how good a third film could be, while Quantumania shows how BAD a third film could be. Second films from Phase 3 starters Doctor Strange, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel are all over the place as far as quality, with BP doing the best of those three despite not featuring T'Challa. Black Widow is easily the most middle-of-the-road of all of these, saved by Yelena Belova. And while I liked small parts of it, Love And Thunder remains my least favorite of these and probably will remain at the bottom of the Multiverse Saga unless they really butcher something like Thunderbolts or Blade.
I think the studio knows now that their films going forth all have to be bangers to save face from the past couple of years of variable quality. They're definitely going to put their best foot forward for their next few films, especially Deadpool & Wolverine, Thunderbolts, Captain America 4, and The Fantastic Four. I'm not so sure about Blade, given it's tumultuous pre-production struggles, but we can hope it'll be good. If it's a launching point for Marvel Knights or Midnight Sons/Suns, and brings together characters like Moon Knight, Black Knight, and Ghost Rider, I'm sure it'll do well.
-Marc.
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Spider-Man: No Way Home. My third favorite MCU film.
Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 3. Fantastic film, maybe the best Guardians film.
Doctor Strange In The M.O.M. I seem to be the only person who loves this.
Shang-Chi ATLOTTR. Good solid origin story.
The Marvels. A tad lightweight but good fun.
Black Widow. Solid introduction to a couple of characters, letdown by a terrible villain.
Thor: Love And Thunder. Don't dislike this as much as some do.
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. Pretty boring.
Ant-Man & The Wasp: Quantumania. A mess.
Eternals. Worst MCU film.
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We ranking, let's do this:
Spider-Man - No Way Home
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Shang-Chi
Black Panther - Wakanda Forever
The Marvels
Eternals
Doctor Strange - M.O.M.
Black Widow
Ant-Man and the Wasp - Quantumania
Thor - Love and Thunder
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Guardians 3
Spider-Man: No Way Home
Shang-Chi
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Mildness
The Marvels
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
Eternals
Thor: Love and Thunder
Black Widow
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Even among just four ranking lists so far, it's pretty clear that No Way Home, GOTG Vol. 3, and Shang-Chi are clear stand-outs of Phases 4 and 5 so far, with DSITMOM and Wakanda Forever not too far behind on average, all five of which are my top five of these ten films, and I suspect that they're most fans' top five of the last ten MCU films.
-Marc.
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I don't like rankings as much as others here at DTF, but I will say that Doc Strange 2 is probably 2nd from the bottom, right above Thor 4.
It was just a huge miss for me. It wasn't the head scratcher that Thor was, but it was just poor decisions and wasted potential from beginning to end with a few good moments sprinkled in, none of which were sadly involving all of those cameos.
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Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Spider-Man: No Way Home
Shang-Chi ATLOTTR
Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 3
Ant-Man & The Wasp: Quantumania
Doctor Strange In The M.O.M.
Eternals
Black Widow
The Marvels (haven't seen this one yet)
Thor: Love And Thunder
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Guardians of the Galaxy 3
Everything else
Spider-Man: No Way Home
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The problem with ALL of these films is that even the ones I generally like, I find myself saying, "It's pretty good, BUT..." That rarely happened with phases 1-3. So there aren't any truly great movies since phase 3 ended.
"It's Pretty Good, But..." Tier
1. Spider Man: No Way Home: Could have been really good, but the premise of Dr. Strange doing what he did was just so stupid that it's hard to overlook throughout the film. But the rest of it actually is really good, so it probably takes the top spot (or is close).
2. Black Widow: The film nobody needed, but was actually done pretty well. The only thing that dragged it down a bit was the treatment of taskmaster.
3. Shang-Chi ATLOTTR: Another one that could have been #1 if not for some flaws. It was great up until the third act when they abandoned the family dynamic too much and put the emphasis on the big CGI battle that didn't feel like it really had any consequences. I'm fine with a big CGI battle, but it should have served the family dynamic story rather than usurping it.
"Could Have Been in the Top 3, BUT..." Tier
4. Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 3: Definitely outside my top 3, but a strong effort. As I said when it came out, Gunn obviously had a strong story. But he took so many opportunities to throw as much over-the-top goofiness/weirdness into this one that it was distracting at times.
5. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever: Could have been better. The grief that Shuri and her mother are going through was beautifully handled, and Namor was treated really well. But there were problems of scale and stakes, and some things were crammed in that distracted from just telling a good story.
6. Doctor Strange In The M.O.M.: I really want to rank this one higher. But while the seeds of Wanda's turn were there, that crucial story element was not developed enough, and we didn't spend enough time on the Darkhold to make such an extreme turn believable. Such a shame. This could have been #1 and could have been up there with phase 1-3 material easily.
7. Ant-Man & The Wasp: Quantumania: Good movie, but, like Guardians, was just too weird for its own good sometimes, and the overall story suffered for it. But I don't have any problem with most of the stuff that most people have problems with.
8. The Marvels: This was fun from start to finish and SO much better than Captain Marvel. It shouldn't be ranked this low. But it is just because there is a sloppiness to it where lots of little things seem to break the rules of this film or other Marvel films when it is convenient to the plot.
"Don't Care / Nothing Can Save These" Tier
9. Deadpool 3: Obviously haven't seen it, but just going off the first two. But it can't be worse than the bottom two, can it?
10. Thor: Love And Thunder: So disappointing. The seeds of a REALLY good story are here, but it was completely botched on so many levels.
11. Eternals: I'm trying to think of something redeeming, but can't think of anything. Pure trash on every level. Well, actually, Kingo was genuinely funny, and him creating a multigenerational Bollywood identity was something I found very entertaining.