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General => Archive => Dream Theater-related => Topic started by: robwebster on October 27, 2010, 08:59:50 AM
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UPDATE
April 21st 2011, xx:xx pm, where xx:xx is whatever the "Last edited" number at the bottom of the post is.
Today, the trailer was released, identifying the seven candidates for the position of NuPortnoy, and all votes have been reset.
Here's how it looked before we reset...
(https://i56.tinypic.com/2v3pxdw.png)
...and you need only cast your eyes upwards to see how it's looking now.
Place your bets, gentlemen! And welcome to the worst thread on the board!
Right, here we go. No idea how long we've got until the announcement is made, but all bets are on.
This isn't about your favourite drummer, or the one you're rooting for to win - this is about the name which you genuinely believe is going to be pulled out of the envelope at some point over the next month or so.
The drummers listed are in a fairly vague order. The first seven are the ones who are quite strongly rumoured - including Terry Bozzio, who's been jossed by JLB, and Charlie Zeleny, who has no concrete body of proof but some fairly big links to the band, including an infinity of Dream Theater drum covers uploaded to youtube. From there onwards it sort of loosely descends from more probable to less probable, culminating in zero with Kevin Moore.
The "other" option is for if you genuinely believe that the person who's going to be revealed as the new drummer hasn't been listed in the poll. If so, then you get to post your guess in the thread, and you can spend the next few months being really, really smug once the drummer's confirmed.
Might make sense to post who you've voted for, too, seeing as I can't make votes public. I'd spin together one of those doohickeys I used for the DT songchart where you could see who voted what, but I don't want to allow multiple votes.
Don't worry. This isn't gambling. Nobody's earning any money out of this. I'm just wondering how well aligned we are with the band, and seeing if we, collectively, can correctly guess the right drummer. And just for the record, if anyone actually votes for Kevin Moore I am going to become a restaurant critic, rip your lungs from your chest, eat them with tomato ketchup, and then give them a snide review, making you the laughing stock of the culinary world.
And no, I don't know who some of those people are either.
My vote's with Charlie Zeleny.
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I'm with you on this one Rob
Charlie Z Mangini gets my vote.
Matt
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I'm going for Thomas Lang.
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Charlie Z
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Peter Wildoer
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I hope Virgil Donati gets the job.
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What, no option for Herman Rarebell?
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Peter Wildoer, I guess...
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As for preference, it would be a toss-up between Mike Mangini, Marco Minnemann and Thomas Lang for me. But thinking realistically, it'll come down to either Charlie Zeleny or Peter Wildoer.
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Charlie Z
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What, no option for Herman Rarebell?
:lol
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Bozzio gets my vote.
The Explorers Club work with the band, and probably big reference from Tony Levins.
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My vote goes to Peter whatever, not that I want him to join though. But since DT is very "metal" now a days, and he is pure metal, and can growl and is friends with Jimmy, he unfortunatly seems like a logical choice.
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I voted Charlie Z, but my vote was just who I liked most out of the ones I've seen. I'm not familiar with 90% of them, truly don't know who they'll pick.
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It's between Charlie Zeleny or Peter Wildoer.
But Charlie Z gets my vote.
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OK, who voted for Zombie MP? :P
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I went with Macaluso given the proximity in which he lives to the band and his work touring with JLB. If not him I'd go with Charlie Z.
Thomas lang would be pretty cool too though. Not Wildoer. Please not him.
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Kevin Moore
Who the hell is Charlie Zeleny?
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Wow.. lots of love for charlie Z here and i don't like him that much :S
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Who the hell is Charlie Zeleny?
https://www.youtube.com/user/drumdocz
Charlie is my pick, for a combination of his ability and logical reasons (lives in NY, has worked with Jordan etc.)
Peter is a close second, but his location proves to perhaps be an issue...although his vocal ability gives him some edge.
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Wheres Lars? Nick Menza?
This poll is fixed. :tdwn
:xbones
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Who the hell is Charlie Zeleny?
https://www.youtube.com/user/drumdocz
Charlie is my pick, for a combination of his ability and logical reasons (lives in NY, has worked with Jordan etc.)
Peter is a close second, but his location proves to perhaps be an issue...although his vocal ability gives him some edge.
Yeah, for me, I'd say Zeleny's most probable because all of the constituent parts seem to converge on him.
He's technically stellar, and geographically convenient. A close collaborator of Jordan Rudess, he's already humongously passionate about Dream Theater's music, and while talented, he's not in constant demand in the same way that people such as Virgil Donati may be.
Myself, I think Virgil's probably my favourite of the drummers in the poll. But as far as I can tell, Zeleny's the most obviously viable choice, and I think he would be the most interested in filling in permanently.
Not to put down the others. Obviously, if they weren't interested in joining Dream Theater on a permanent basis on at least some level, they wouldn't bother auditioning. And if they honestly felt that geography was going to prevent them from joining the band in the first place, they wouldn't have forked out the time and effort to jet off to New York. So it's all up in the air, and ultimately comes down to chemistry. But there's enough in Zeleny's favour for me to have a good feeling about him. As do others, apparently! He's got the most votes in spite of the fact that he's not one of the five rumoured to be identified.
On the other hand, if he's such a no-brainer, I can't imagine there would be much need to delay. JLB's said that they need to consider all of the kinks, and I can't instinctively see any obvious difficulties with inducting Charlie (well, contracts, of course) so you know. I also wouldn't be surprised if he didn't turn out to be their first choice, musically. I think he's stiill quite a safe bet, though.
Although, it would mean that DT would've had two Johns, two Kevins, and two Charlies. That's six out of nine members.
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What, no option for Herman Rarebell?
Cowbell is so underused. :laugh:
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I voted Mangini because I dreamt he got the gig and I am a bit psychic...
Who I want would be Jarzombek (almost initialled him the but realised people may get the wrong idea... ), Lang or Harrison.
Didn't like Charlie Z and Wildoer leaves the door open for more growling. On the JLB album he seemed rather frantic but maybe that was what the music called for.
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Considering none of them will make growl attempts, I'd go with Peter Wildoer, Virgil or Charlie Z.
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I'd go with Peter Wildoer, Virgil or Charlie Z.
Me too. So much talent out there; makes me wish this was a multiple option poll.
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If Peter Wildoer is picked I'm going to have to find a new favorite band. Here's just hoping that if he is indeed picked that DT is smart enough to keep his lame ass from screaming. Seeing as how LaBrie just had an album full of obnoxious screams, it would prove that DT has no originality left.
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What, no option for Herman Rarebell?
:metal
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If Peter Wildoer is picked I'm going to have to find a new favorite band. Here's just hoping that if he is indeed picked that DT is smart enough to keep his lame ass from screaming. Seeing as how LaBrie just had an album full of obnoxious screams, it would prove that DT has no originality left.
Not sure if I'd go quite to the extreme you express, but I definitely have some similar thoughts.
My vote goes to Minnemann.
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If Peter Wildoer is picked I'm going to have to find a new favorite band. Here's just hoping that if he is indeed picked that DT is smart enough to keep his lame ass from screaming. Seeing as how LaBrie just had an album full of obnoxious screams, it would prove that DT has no originality left.
Not sure if I'd go quite to the extreme you express, but I definitely have some similar thoughts.
My vote goes to Minnemann.
I do really like Minnemann, as a sort of wildcard. He's definitely got the credentials, and I quite like his status as a multi-instrumentalist and composer, plus he's tipped to be one of the auditionees. Got quite a good feeling about him, but I still think Charlie's the safer place to put the money.
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Seeing as how LaBrie just had an album full of obnoxious screams
The new album of JLB has:
3 songs with major screams (One More Time, Jekyll or Hyde, This is War)
3 songs with an average/low amount of screams (Mislead, I Need You, Who You Think I Am)
6 songs with barely any/no screams (Euphoric, Over the Edge, I Tried, Just Watch Me, Superstar, Coming Home). One of them is a beautiful ballad.
So yeah, can't say it's "full of screams", and I don't consider them obnoxious either.
However, I would love it if DT won't have even one more growl/scream attempt in their next albums. It's nice as an experiment like JLB did, not as a routine like MP did.
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Seeing as how LaBrie just had an album full of obnoxious screams
The new album of JLB has:
3 songs with major screams (One More Time, Jekyll or Hyde, This is War)
3 songs with an average/low amount of screams (Mislead, I Need You, Who You Think I Am)
6 songs with barely any/no screams (Euphoric, Over the Edge, I Tried, Just Watch Me, Superstar, Coming Home). One of them is a beautiful ballad.
So yeah, can't say it's "full of screams", and I don't consider them obnoxious either.
However, I would love it if DT won't have even one more growl/scream attempt in their next albums. It's nice as an experiment like JLB did, not as a routine like MP did.
Wait, you just got sarcastic with Zook's comment, but then proceeded to call MP's harsh vocals "routine" when they cropped up less than Wildoer's? :lol
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I havent been following the threads about possible drummers, and I didn't even know Charlie Z was a candidate.
His work in B...TA was crazy, I hope he gets it,
EDIT - https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_986889&v=mcQvUz3u-S4&feature=iv
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Mike Mangini - he is involved with Berklee so him just for extra servings of nuggets.
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(https://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii324/jawkjaw/HermanRarebell1-1.jpg)
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Well, I was going to hold out, pretend to know something, and mess with you guys. But bottom line, I'll fess up and admit I don't know much more than most of you. I'll go on record. My vote was for Lang. My second pick is Charlie Z. My third is Bobby Jarzombek. Those are not necessarily my "favorites" (although Lang is a new favorite of mine); they are who I think are the most likely based on what little we do know. I will be really surprised if it is not one of those three.
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Bosk, what little do we know that tells you that Jarzombek would be a Top 3. I don't even think he made Stevetheater's list.
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My wish would be for Mike Mangini. I think it will be Charlie Z.
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1) Thomas Lang is my top choice and who I voted for
These are the next two
2) Marco Minnemann
3) Charlie Z
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Virgil
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kevin moore
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Richard Christy -
him & Mike have toured together, so I don't know...
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Shouldn't Mike Portnoy's name be on this list? It's only fair since Moore is there, too. How funny would it be if after all this Portnoy just ended up coming back to DT and he is going to be revealed as the drummer. lol. Now it makes me wonder which has a better chance. What I just suggested, or Kevin Moore drumming for DT. Hmm... It's a close one for sure.
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Man, I'm looking at a bunch of Lang's videos now, and they guy really can play. Not sure whether I want him or Charlie Z to be the new drummer, but if Lang were to relocate or the band really was fine with him being in LA, then I'd be totally happy. As much as I love Charlie and I know that he already has a love for DT, energy, and ties to JR and NY, I think Lang is more likely to be the new drummer unless they find some undiscovered talent that no one knows about at all.
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The other day, I was thinking of Collin Leijenaar auditioning, and I kind of laughed about how something like that would go down. I mean, as far as I know, Collin's only connection to DT is through Mike. So it would probably be something like:
-Mike: Hello?
-Collin: Hey, Mike. It's, uh...Collin.
-Mike: Oh, hey buddy! What's up?
-Collin: Well...um...this is a little awkward, but...well, I know you and DT aren't together anymore...and...um...well, I was thinking about auditioning...
-Mike: ...
-Collin: Yeah...uh...so, you wouldn't mind, right?
-Mike: ...Well, look. It's not my band anymore, so who am I to say?
-Collin: Seriously? You'd be cool with it?
-Mike: ...Well, I mean, you already replaced me in Neal's band, so, yeah, whatever.
-Collin: ...
-Mike: What?
-Collin: So...do you think you could introduce me?
-Mike: ...
-Collin: ...and, you know...maybe tell me what kind of things they like. You know, to help my chances, and--
*Mike slams the phone down*
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My guess it's gonna be Peter Wildoer or Marco Minnemann.
And to what everybody thinks these last few weeks... Charlie Z did NOT audition!
Steve
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My guess it's gonna be Peter Wildoer or Marco Minnemann.
And to what everybody thinks these last few weeks... Charlie Z did NOT audition!
Steve
I'm sorry, how do you know these things? Are you like Issac Mendez? Do you draw the future?
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And just for the record, if anyone actually votes for Kevin Moore I am going to become a restaurant critic, rip your lungs from your chest, eat them with tomato ketchup, and then give them a snide review, making you the laughing stock of the culinary world.
POTY
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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CZ and JR
https://www.youtube.com/user/drumdocz#p/u/0/SzQzPIUZp3Q
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And just for the record, if anyone actually votes for Kevin Moore I am going to become a restaurant critic, rip your lungs from your chest, eat them with tomato ketchup, and then give them a snide review, making you the laughing stock of the culinary world.
POTY
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Yeah, an Englishman becoming a restaurant critic who'll be respected enough to have his review counting for something - that's some hilarious shit right there. :biggrin:
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Hey now! You and your squirrel avatar can just leave it those are the kinds of comments you're going to make in this fine thread.
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My guess it's gonna be Peter Wildoer or Marco Minnemann.
And to what everybody thinks these last few weeks... Charlie Z did NOT audition!
Steve
I've never even heard of Marco Minneman before today, but after Youtubing him, the guy would seem to fit in perfectly. I would certainly see him in this band before Wildoer.
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Hey now! You and your squirrel avatar can just leave it those are the kinds of comments you're going to make in this fine thread.
I'm sorry, what?
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My guess it's gonna be Peter Wildoer or Marco Minnemann.
And to what everybody thinks these last few weeks... Charlie Z did NOT audition!
Steve
I'm sorry, how do you know these things? Are you like Issac Mendez? Do you draw the future?
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If you don't mind me asking, how does he know who auditioned?
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*research some drummers schedules*
Charlies Z's youtube vids might have just been to get people talking and generate a buzz possibly for himself...but I did enjoy his cover of ANTR.
Oh and to the guy who posted about Isaac Mendez - he was my favourite character in Heroes!
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No Ringo Starr option? ???
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No Ringo Starr option? ???
Rumor has it he turned down the audition.
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No Ringo Starr option? ???
Rumor has it he turned down the audition.
I'd rather have Zach Starkey.
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The other day, I was thinking of Collin Leijenaar auditioning, and I kind of laughed about how something like that would go down. I mean, as far as I know, Collin's only connection to DT is through Mike. So it would probably be something like:
-Mike: Hello?
-Collin: Hey, Mike. It's, uh...Collin.
-Mike: Oh, hey buddy! What's up?
-Collin: Well...um...this is a little awkward, but...well, I know you and DT aren't together anymore...and...um...well, I was thinking about auditioning...
-Mike: ...
-Collin: Yeah...uh...so, you wouldn't mind, right?
-Mike: ...Well, look. It's not my band anymore, so who am I to say?
-Collin: Seriously? You'd be cool with it?
-Mike: ...Well, I mean, you already replaced me in Neal's band, so, yeah, whatever.
-Collin: ...
-Mike: What?
-Collin: So...do you think you could introduce me?
-Mike: ...
-Collin: ...and, you know...maybe tell me what kind of things they like. You know, to help my chances, and--
*Mike slams the phone down*
:lol
Anyway, my vote went to TL. If it's really true that CZ didn't audition, then I'm about 90% positive TL will be picked.
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Martin Lopez would be a good choice, I think
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Seeing as how LaBrie just had an album full of obnoxious screams
The new album of JLB has:
3 songs with major screams (One More Time, Jekyll or Hyde, This is War)
3 songs with an average/low amount of screams (Mislead, I Need You, Who You Think I Am)
6 songs with barely any/no screams (Euphoric, Over the Edge, I Tried, Just Watch Me, Superstar, Coming Home). One of them is a beautiful ballad.
So yeah, can't say it's "full of screams", and I don't consider them obnoxious either.
However, I would love it if DT won't have even one more growl/scream attempt in their next albums. It's nice as an experiment like JLB did, not as a routine like MP did.
Wait, you just got sarcastic with Zook's comment, but then proceeded to call MP's harsh vocals "routine" when they cropped up less than Wildoer's? :lol
I mostly referred to the fact Mike insists on backing for more than one album. Sometimes it sounds like 'growls', sometimes it's just a more or less lower register of what JLB is singing. But JLB only did it in one record, you can't judge him imo. Mike's backing weird sounds have been there for quite some time now.
Also, as far as I remember, Portnoy hinted in a few interviews that he sings that way to cover the "soft" voice of JLB. For a bad instance, I think he mentioned the whole ANtR growl attempt began because he wasn't satisfied with the original way JLB sang it. However in SI, they did it for experiment's sake.
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I think age needs to be an important factor in DT's choice. With the addition of Jordan 10 years ago, DT aged themselves fast. He's more than 10 years older than the other guys and is now 54. In addition, LaBrie is 5 years older than the other guys and is now pushing 50. With Portnoy gone, JP and JM are the only ones left in their early 40s. The drummer choice is important image-wise because it will either make the DT majority an old band or a still somewhat young band (to me, early 40s is still somewhat young). I think they should go for someone in their late 30s, if possible.
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Although, it would mean that DT would've had two Johns, two Kevins, and two Charlies. That's six out of nine members.
6+9 = 15
15-4 (band members remaining) = 11
DT11lolomg
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:whatisthisidonteven:
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My guess it's gonna be Peter Wildoer or Marco Minnemann.
And to what everybody thinks these last few weeks... Charlie Z did NOT audition!
Steve
I'm sorry, how do you know these things? Are you like Issac Mendez? Do you draw the future?
This isn't from the band if that's what you're thinking, but a certain drummer who was in Holland not so long ago... he kinda couldn't keep his mouth shut... I'm not saying that what I say is true but I heard some things.
I'm having a hard time understanding why the guy leading the polls and the most obvious and logical choice didn't even get to audition. I'm also having a hard time believing it. I don't like BS-ing though. If you've got info to tell, spill the beans. You really think beating around the bush but telling us through clever guises is really gonna make anyone less angry if they find out there's a leak? Just be blunt and direct; spell it out for us.
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STEVETHEATER is a well-known member of the DT online community. He doesn't deserve the third degree.
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I would hope not Charlie Z, his technique is terrible, and it's all stuck around one dynamic.
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I would hope not Charlie Z, his technique is terrible, and it's all stuck around one dynamic.
Come to think of it, we should do all our bashing of these drummers before they are announced, so as to not break forum rules.
Donati sucks. Minnemann is a nobody. Bozzio is an old fart. Zeleny is sloppy. Wildoer's vocals are detestable. Lang is an arrogant *****. Mangini is...uh...too nice. And too cool looking.
There. Got that off my chest.
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If Lang is actually vying for the job, it's a no brainer. You simply cannot do any better than Lang from a technical standpoint, and that compliments DT perfectly.
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Wish this had multiple choice so I could vote Kevin Moore and Zombie Mike Portnoy.
-JP: "So look. Next section is in 2/4, and I want you to..."
-ZMP: "ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!"
-JP: "Yeah we're not doing that stuff again"
Seriously I voted Thomas Lang.
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I would hope not Charlie Z, his technique is terrible, and it's all stuck around one dynamic.
Come to think of it, we should do all our bashing of these drummers before they are announced, so as to not break forum rules.
Donati sucks. Minnemann is a nobody. Bozzio is an old fart. Zeleny is sloppy. Wildoer's vocals are detestable. Lang is an arrogant *****. Mangini is...uh...too nice. And too cool looking.
There. Got that off my chest.
I don't get why people see Lang as arrogant. He never has seemed arrogant imo, he's just an incredible drummer who loves to perfect his craft and has a lot of fun drumming.
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Donati sucks.
Dude. I thought you were cool
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I would hope not Charlie Z, his technique is terrible, and it's all stuck around one dynamic.
Come to think of it, we should do all our bashing of these drummers before they are announced, so as to not break forum rules.
Donati sucks. Minnemann is a nobody. Bozzio is an old fart. Zeleny is sloppy. Wildoer's vocals are detestable. Lang is an arrogant *****. Mangini is...uh...too nice. And too cool looking.
There. Got that off my chest.
Yes because my comment is bashing that are along those very same lines. So many people are agreeing on this guy as the drummer, and I very much happen to disagree with that because he has very uncontrolled technique and plays music that IMO is overly obsessed with time signature changes and strange beats (judging by a few videos, he seems more appropriate in a band like BTBAM). I've read that Zeleny actually went to a graduate school for jazz, yet judging by what I've seen I see absolutely nothing to indicate that.
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Donati sucks.
Dude. I thought you were cool
Ha, I was just kiddin yalls. Donati is pretty good, I'll admit--one of the better drummers in the prog rock scene. He could definitely pull off DT. But realistically, I feel that some of the other drummers are simply a better fit.
A thought came to mind. What if Peter Wildoer isn't selected, and he has to go on tour with CJS in November and December? Awkward...
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Jeff Indyke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_CHPnUkso&feature=channel
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Donati gets my vote. But looks like Kevin Moore guy is winning the poll. Never heard of him, is he any good?
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My only wish for the new drummer, regardless of who it is, is that they lock in and play with the bass rather than the guitar. MP's insistence on locking in with JP rather than JM is a serious, amateur-level flaw in an otherwise great drummer.
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My only wish for the new drummer, regardless of who it is, is that they lock in and play with the bass rather than the guitar. MP's insistence on locking in with JP rather than JM is a serious, amateur-level flaw in an otherwise great drummer.
I agree with that. The rhythm section has always been (and will always be) bass and drums (at least in a one-guitar setting).
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Donati sucks.
Dude. I thought you were cool
Ha, I was just kiddin yalls. Donati is pretty good, I'll admit--one of the better drummers in the prog rock scene. He could definitely pull off DT. But realistically, I feel that some of the other drummers are simply a better fit.
A thought came to mind. What if Peter Wildoer isn't selected, and he has to go on tour with CJS in November and December? Awkward...
I had thought about that. It's likely he won't pass up the paycheck.
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I have a feeling that none of the guys (maybe except for Charlie Z or other semi-unknowns) will care if they get passed up. They all get LOTS of work.
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I so hope it is Thomas Lang. The tech and creativity he would bring would be mind blowing.
For some reason I am also backing a real dark horse in Jason Bittner. Don't ask me why as I really have no idea why, I just have a gut feeling *shrug* maybe its just that vindaloo I had last night.
....no wait.....Vindaloo....Bombay Vindaloo...wow this is getting freaky....
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Well, its its not going to be Herman Rarebell, I'm going with zombie Mike! :metal
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John Myung will switch to drums and become the drummer! It's the most logical choice; on BC&SL he doubled JP 99% of the time and from now on, there won't be any bass so JM can concentrate on drumming! :neverusethis:
JLB could be a 2nd choice: then he'd be on stage all the time! :lol
Seriously though, I don't really know who I'd vote for.
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I'm thinking Leeroy Jenkins would be great!
JLB: This next song is one of our favorites. In fact a neat story behind it is...
LJ: Let's do this! LEEEEEEERRRRRROOOOYYYYYY JEEEEEEENNNNNNNNKINNNSS!! (drum roll)
Band: :facepalm:
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Donati gets my vote. But looks like Kevin Moore guy is winning the poll. Never heard of him, is he any good?
He's the best! Just look at his awesome work on OSI 1, in which he manipulated MP's drumming. You can't go wrong with Kevin Moore!
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I have a feeling that none of the guys (maybe except for Charlie Z or other semi-unknowns) will care if they get passed up. They all get LOTS of work.
That exactly.
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I'm thinking Leeroy Jenkins would be great!
JLB: This next song is one of our favorites. In fact a neat story behind it is...
LJ: Let's do this! LEEEEEEERRRRRROOOOYYYYYY JEEEEEEENNNNNNNNKINNNSS!! (drum roll)
Band: :facepalm:
:lol :rollin :lol
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My vote went to T. Lang,
because he's cool because he seems like an amazingly creative drummer, and I think that the guys appreciate that.
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So many questions with this issue. They could go for a well-known name like the ones listed in this poll, or they could go for a complete unknown. Also, I wonder if they'll go for someone younger than them (under 40 or even under 30)?
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Currently I'm betting on:
Peter Wildoer is the guy. The JLB solo tour is canceled, because Dream Theater are going to do warm-up tour with Peter where they'll also play some of the new James LaBrie songs. While this songs like a disappointing move at first, it's really not because ticket sales were probably not great and because most of the JLB fans really want DT instead, regardless of how great the new JLB album is.
That's just my guess, and kind of my wish.
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Three people actually voted for Martin Lopez? Have you forgotten why he left Opeth?
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=148500
Regarding how the drummer auditions went, LaBrie said, "[The auditions] were phenomenal. I mean, it was something, obviously, unprecedented for this band, and it is for most bands, but it was just a really unique and very surreal experience for us. But I can't really comment on it any further than that other than that we're moving forward and everything is very positive. And that's about it. It's really touchy as to what we can really talk about in that area right now."
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Three people actually voted for Martin Lopez? Have you forgotten why he left Opeth?
He's sick, right?
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=148500
Regarding how the drummer auditions went, LaBrie said, "[The auditions] were phenomenal. I mean, it was something, obviously, unprecedented for this band, and it is for most bands, but it was just a really unique and very surreal experience for us. But I can't really comment on it any further than that other than that we're moving forward and everything is very positive. And that's about it. It's really touchy as to what we can really talk about in that area right now."
Thanks for the link Wolf!
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No probs, I couldn't see anyone else that had posted it. Good to see everything went according to the time line. Interesting to know what they are doing now and if they have made a choice.
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Three people actually voted for Martin Lopez? Have you forgotten why he left Opeth?
He's sick, right?
He got anxiety attacks while on tour. Mikael Ċkerfeldt even said that he called him the day before they were gonna start a tour (Ghost Reveries or Damnation/Deliverence I believe) and said he couldn't do it.
Doesn't sound like that good a fit for DT, does it? :lol
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I think Mike Mangini is one and only good replacement for MP
or maybe Thomas Lang...
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Bert and Ernie will take care of his drumming while cookie monster will do his singing. :neverusethis:
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Currently I'm betting on:
Peter Wildoer is the guy. The JLB solo tour is canceled, because Dream Theater are going to do warm-up tour with Peter where they'll also play some of the new James LaBrie songs. While this songs like a disappointing move at first, it's really not because ticket sales were probably not great and because most of the JLB fans really want DT instead, regardless of how great the new JLB album is.
That's just my guess, and kind of my wish.
the tour cancellation had nothing to do with ticket sales and all to do with work visas. from what i understand, the sales were actually doing quite well.
regardless, i don't see how DT could be planning live shows before they start up in the studio in January, which JLB has confirmed is still the plan.
i also highly doubt DT would play any of JLB's solo stuff. they've yet to incorporate any of the other guy's solo stuff save for some LTE here and there, but that's just because 3 of the 5 guys wrote that stuff.
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If we get a drummer that doesn't do vocals I wonder if we will get the original version of ANTR when they play it (ie the one with James singing the Day after day... section)
BTW does anyone have the three clips of that section, one with JLB, one how it ended up and one with full on growling?
Matt
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I'm thinking Leeroy Jenkins would be great!
JLB: This next song is one of our favorites. In fact a neat story behind it is...
LJ: Let's do this! LEEEEEEERRRRRROOOOYYYYYY JEEEEEEENNNNNNNNKINNNSS!! (drum roll)
Band: :facepalm:
I found this quite hilarious
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BTW does anyone have the three clips of that section, one with JLB, one how it ended up and one with full on growling?
They should still be on Mike's forum somewhere, that's where he posted them originally. Look back through his posts.
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...a guy in my new sig...
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3...2...1...
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While all of these drummers would be fantastic at it in one way or the other, I'm really hoping for Mike Mangini. I also feel like John Petrucci would do growls/metal vocals if they were to continue using them as he did them on The Glass Prison. I really hope Jordan takes up some of the backing vocal duties as well.
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While all of these drummers would be fantastic at it in one way or the other, I'm really hoping for Mike Mangini. I also feel like John Petrucci would do growls/metal vocals if they were to continue using them as he did them on The Glass Prison. I really hope Jordan takes up some of the backing vocal duties as well.
I think James would do a great job singing all Mikes parts but putting a new twist on them/maybe deviate from the album/sing with a new melody?
Might be cool, just my two cents.....oh go Donati, Mangini & Lang, no one else would really fit on all fronts!
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Terry Bozzio hands down. Why vote for anyone else when Bozzio is quite possibly the best drummer, ever.
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Terry Bozzio hands down. Why vote for anyone else when Bozzio is quite possibly the best drummer, ever.
Bozzio is an amazing player, but Thomas Lang is an android from the planet Drum.
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The more I see of his playing, the more I hope it's Thomas Lang.
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Terry Bozzio hands down. Why vote for anyone else when Bozzio is quite possibly the best drummer, ever.
Because he'd be akward in DT without DT changing their style completely.
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Marco Minnemann anyone? He would fit perfectly. I had a chat about this with a friend of mine, an absolute drumming nut! and we both agreed he is absolutely superior for the position. He has the creativity that Lang lacks, and a more coherent (at least in relation to DTs music) drumming style than the always complicated Virgil (I wouldn't mind Virgil, but the creative side of him lies with complicated jazz/metal fusion-esque rudiments). He also has a name out there for himself, a great friendly personality, and serious chops to boot! I am going to say right now if the guys have a head on their shoulder, they WILL pick him, 100%, mark my words!. Just check him out a couple of his vids on the tube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SS_4SfG0Fo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1nk-Ws5UBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wTVQQ7fb7o
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Marco Minnemann anyone? He would fit perfectly. I had a chat about this with a friend of mine, an absolute drumming nut! and we both agreed he is absolutely superior for the position. He has the creativity that Lang lacks, and a more coherent (at least in relation to DTs music) drumming style than the always complicated Virgil (I wouldn't mind Virgil, but the creative side of him lies with complicated jazz/metal fusion-esque rudiments). He also has a name out there for himself, a great friendly personality, and serious chops to boot! I am going to say right now if the guys have a head on their shoulder, they WILL pick him, 100%, mark my words!. Just check him out a couple of his vids on the tube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SS_4SfG0Fo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1nk-Ws5UBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wTVQQ7fb7o
You are right, this man is VERY good. One thing concerns me and that is his image. i am not saying choose image over talent either, we know the quality of the 7 drummers, howver it must play a part. he just doesnt look, well...cool enough for DT. All due repect, but he looks a bit goofy at times...and yes, he is an incredible drummer, no denying. Thomas Lang I think looks more like a image of dream Theater imo and he has a stupid amount of tech also. I mean no disrepect to Marco either, I just think image has a part to play as well.
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No offence, but I don't think that your point has any value in the decision at all. I mean, DT chose Derek as their keyboardist despite having short hair, using lava lamps on stage and stuff (but as far as it goes, we only know MP's stance about it). Looks should matter, of all things, the least, and I don't think that DT would think much different about it.
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No offence, but I don't think that your point has any value in the decision at all. I mean, DT chose Derek as their keyboardist despite having short hair, using lava lamps on stage and stuff (but as far as it goes, we only know MP's stance about it). Looks should matter, of all things, the least, and I don't think that DT would think much different about it.
No offence either, but you sort of contradicted yourself just there. Firstly you make the comment that looks has no value in the decision at all, yet later you say looks do matter but not a priority. My comment was saying just that mate. Marco is an incredible drummer which I stated, and he doesnt look overly cool imo. I was really just talking from my opinion on what image 'I' would like to see of DT, not so much what decision they will ultimatley go with. If there were two drummers left to choose from both of equal talent and committment, I personally would like to see Dream Theater go with the most presentable person and in this example I dont think that person is Marco in comparision with some of the other 6 (if the list is at all correct). Just clarifying my point thats all :)
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Image matters?
Is Jordan NOT a member of the band or something?
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Ok, so if JP looked like a skinny, pimple ridden, coke bottle glasses nerd with a a bowl hair cut you'd be cool with that?
I dont buy it.
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Ok, so if JP looked like a skinny, pimple ridden, coke bottle glasses nerd with a a bowl hair cut you'd be cool with that?
I dont buy it.
I wouldn't want anyone to look that way. And, in fact, I never have met any adult who looks like that. So while I hear your question, it's completely out of the scope of what I'd consider a "reasonable scenario," and since the fact that DT would chose one guy over the other based on looks is completely off-base too, you posing a silly question like that just verfies my gut-feeling that people who think DT are going to go want a certain "look" from their new drummer are not being realistic given what we know about the guys. Besides, aside from John P, all the guys could kinda use some work on their image if that's what they're really care about (inb4 all asians look teh same).
DT's always been about the music. The image has always been secondary, and I honestly can't think of a time where the guys from DT tried to look cool and actually succeeded. I really don't get how a DT fan could care about the band's image. But I'm sad that apparently, some do. If that weren't the case, we'd get promo shots of the guys like we did during Scenes-8va, instead of the Hot-Topic look from Black Clouds.
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I wouldn't want anyone to look that way. And, in fact, I never have met any adult who looks like that.
I am still laughing out loud at that lol
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Just for shits and giggle, I decided to see if this guy would really be that bad for DT's image.
(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/5535000/Dream+Theater.jpg)
With him:
(https://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff421/perpetualjoe/dtmarco.png?t=1288614816)
Yeah, I suck at this kind of thing BUT ANYWAY I really don't see what the big deal is. The band doesn't look any cooler or less cool with him around them.
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Jordan is a keyboard hawtie <3. and f***ing LOL solid effort^^^^^^^^
One other thing: consider the following two pages from Wiki (yeah yeah I know):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Minnemann
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Lang
Differences? credentials? hmmmmm....
I'm just gonna put it out there, but am I the only person who think Lang is overrated? I'm impressed by his technical ability, been blown away by him fluttering away over the toms and cymbals whilst playing several hundred pedals at once whilst bustin out some dope stick tricks, but that's about it. He's too much of a drummers drummer, and less of a bands drummer. DT need a fresh source of creativity and expertise on the table to fill the void of Portnoy. This is why I think #1 Marco Minnemann =D. Oh, some more vids of Marco proving himself a worthy candidate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67-GUacp-x4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LljL8ymUQ-c
(btw I'm not necessarily a Marco fanboy LOL. I also belive Mangini is more or less in the same ball park. still... moneys on Marco 100%)
^^^^edit: just noticed most rated comment in youtube vid with paul gilbert. TEH PPLZ HAZ SPOKUN =D
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lol, i tried to fix it some...
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Mad skillz PC.
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This thread needs more of this:
(https://www.pearleurope.com/upl/1/en/img/VIRGil_Donati.jpg)
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This thread needs more of this:
*image*
Completely agree. I don't see many people wanting Donati as the new drummer, but i really hope he gets the job.
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Completely agree. I don't see many people wanting Donati as the new drummer, but i really hope he gets the job.
Actually he's doing quite well in this poll. And how many people actually know
that he's played in a DT cover band in the 90s? He'd be a great choice IMO,
especially since he's also a very interesting composer (he wrote most of the
Planet X material, the last album all by himself even!) and DT's writing could
use some fresh ideas. So he'd be more than just a capable session drummer.
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I'd be OK with Donati. From a purely technical/musical perspective, I can't imagine that too many people would have an issue with him.
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How will the band reveal the new drummer? Via twitter? Facebook? Blabbermouth garbage? Their official site? Youtube video?
I'm curious.
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I'd be OK with Donati. From a purely technical/musical perspective, I can't imagine that too many people would have an issue with him.
Especially once they've actually seen him play - case in point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-zWYmmn2ec#t=02m09s
If they pick him, his solo spot on the tour is sure to bring the house down. :lol
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I've been talking that I'd be happy with any drummer, since I'm familiar with pretty much none of these guys. But if there's one thing I wish, it's that the new drummer ain't 50 years old. Lets be realistic, with music like this, it will become a problem in about 5 years minimum.
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Oh my god when are they going to announce!?!?!? The suspense is killing me!
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Marco has just the right amount of goofy (I dont always take myself so serious vibe) about him that just makes me feel that he would fit great.
Donati seems like a great fit too. However, Virgil gives me the "too famous" vibe and strikes me as the type that wouldnt stay around for too long by his choice.
Lang strikes me as simply over-technical, if thats possible.
Watch, it'll end up being Wildoer LOL!
As far as announcing it, they would likely use a press release and simultaneous website, twitter, facebook, announcement. Maybe a picture of the band with the new guy rather than just a pic of the guy. A new BAND pic would really send a unity vibe to all of the DT fans.
The new guy has already been selected. They are probably just signing contracts and lining up the ducks. I'll bet that they wait until Thanksgiving time. That will give fans the holiday season to get excited until we start getting studio updates from the guys in january 2011.
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I just thought of something. What if they are recording a new song that they'll reveal during the announcement, showcasing the new drummer?
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Marco has just the right amount of goofy (I dont always take myself so serious vibe) about him that just makes me feel that he would fit great.
Donati seems like a great fit too. However, Virgil gives me the "too famous" vibe and strikes me as the type that wouldnt stay around for too long by his choice.
Lang strikes me as simply over-technical, if thats possible.
Watch, it'll end up being Wildoer LOL!
I'd agree with much of this.
My one doubt about Lang is that he's almost too precise. Regardless of what their critics say, there's more to DT than just the technical side, and I'm not sure he has quite as much soul as Mike did. Definitely one of the singularly most qualified drummers knocking about, though, and while it wouldn't surprise me at all if he gets the job, it's my one minor doubt.
Virgil I'd agree is too famous. He's a fairly big name, and I imagine that he'd have a lot of other stuff on his schedule. Would be fantastic if it were possible, but I don't see him as being among the most likely candidates, as he's probably got the most stuff going on outside of the band. Not that being Dream Theater's drummer precludes a hefty number of sideprojects.
And I agree that Marco Minnemann's potentially a seriously good fit. Can see him being the dark horse.
Still feel like Charlie Zeleny's a sound candidate, in spite of the rumours that he's not among the seven. They seem to come from a very confident source, but nonetheless, I can't imagine one of Jordan Rudess's friends with such a degree of technical prowess, and such a respect for the DT back catalogue wouldn't have entered the frame at some point or another - even if he may have had to turn down auditions.
Don't disagree that Wildoer's capable, but his back-catalogue is somewhat more straight-up metal than a lot of the other candidates. Not entirely convinced I know how versatile he is, which is why I'm kind of keeping him to the sidelines. Out of the five rumoured to be auditioning, I'd probably call him the least probable.
I just thought of something. What if they are recording a new song that they'll reveal during the announcement, showcasing the new drummer?
That would be fantastic. And not entirely impossible. John Petrucci said that he was writing some music on twitter a few weeks ago, didn't he? And he'd finished writing for his solo album at that point, so who knows what that might've been for!
I'd say it's definitely unlikely, but it's not outside the realms of plausibility, and I'd love to see it happen.
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I just thought of something. What if they are recording a new song that they'll reveal during the announcement, showcasing the new drummer?
I hope not and I dont think they will. It will take all the anticipation and build up from the new album away. It would almost be anti-climactic to have the name of the new drummer, plus hear him in a new song/instrumental at the same time.
If the new drummer was announced tomorrow, two months will go very quickly with interview, press releases, photo shoots etc and they will be in the studio before they know it come January. The build up to actually hear this drummers input will be enormous and the hype around the new album will be fever pitch come mid year.
I dont want to hear a sneak peek of the guy as much as I would love too. Id rather wait a year for the full album if need be.
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Ice is right. Good man.
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This band needs more of this:
(https://www.pearleurope.com/upl/1/en/img/VIRGil_Donati.jpg)
Fixed that for ya.
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I just thought of something. What if they are recording a new song that they'll reveal during the announcement, showcasing the new drummer?
I hope not and I dont think they will. It will take all the anticipation and build up from the new album away. It would almost be anti-climactic to have the name of the new drummer, plus hear him in a new song/instrumental at the same time.
Yeah, that might be overkill...unless DT released the song before releasing the name of the drummer. That would have us speculating like crazy!
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^Good lord, that would be insane. :lol I wonder how many people would be able to correctly identify the drummer just by hearing him play.
As a musical retard, I have trouble picking out drum nuances that other people here seem able to appreciate. I sure as hell couldn't identify a particular drummer just by his "style".
-J
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Listened to some of my favorite DT songs this morning, paying particular attention to the drums . . . I just don't see how in hell the new drummer will be able to write and think up rhythms and parts as awesome and catchy as the stuff Mike has done, no matter who they are. Mike just had a real knack for it, especially on the first 6 albums. It's one thing for someone to replicate the back catalog live, it's quite another to think up and write your own great stuff. That being said, I'm sure the new drummer will impress but I just doubt it will surpass what has already been done drum-wise in this band.
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I hear what you are saying Dream Team, and to an extent I feel the same regarding the musicality of Mike's playing. It's top notch awareness of what the song is doing.
The difference is, I'm trying to stay positive about it because the new drummer could possibly write even better parts! We just don't know yet. So I'm going to give this new (obviously will be talented) drummer the benefit of the doubt and say they will be able to create brilliant parts for the songs as well.
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This band needs more of this:
(https://www.pearleurope.com/upl/1/en/img/VIRGil_Donati.jpg)
Fixed that for ya.
:lol
I hope they'll announce the new guy soon. At least I guess it'll be a guy...
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If whoever the new drummer is plays Pearl or Yamaha, I will never listen to DT again.
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While all of these drummers would be fantastic at it in one way or the other, I'm really hoping for Mike Mangini. I also feel like John Petrucci would do growls/metal vocals if they were to continue using them as he did them on The Glass Prison. I really hope Jordan takes up some of the backing vocal duties as well.
1. DT has never had growling in any song.
2. JP did not do the backup vocals on The Glass Prison; Portnoy did.
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If whoever the new drummer is plays Pearl or Yamaha, I will never listen to DT again.
Yamaha endorsed drummers:
Steve Gadd
Dave Weckl
Billy Cobham
Akira Jimbo
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Kevin Moore, obviously.
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I'm "glad" Kevin Moore and Zombie Mike Portnoy are both in the top six.
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I think that Mike Mangini would be the perfect fit. He seems to be a very nice guy.
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If whoever the new drummer is plays Pearl or Yamaha, I will never listen to DT again.
why is that?
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While all of these drummers would be fantastic at it in one way or the other, I'm really hoping for Mike Mangini. I also feel like John Petrucci would do growls/metal vocals if they were to continue using them as he did them on The Glass Prison. I really hope Jordan takes up some of the backing vocal duties as well.
1. DT has never had growling in any song.
2. JP did not do the backup vocals on The Glass Prison; Portnoy did.
John Petrucci did agressive vocals on The Glass Prison live at least. Watch the Gigantour dvd. During the Enter the Door section, it goes Mike,James, John.
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I think that Mike Mangini would be the perfect fit. He seems to be a very nice guy.
Manginis drumming style would fit very well. He kinda reminds me of Derek Sherinian in a way haha (looks/personality wise(this is a good thing!)).
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If whoever the new drummer is plays Pearl or Yamaha, I will never listen to DT again.
why is that?
:facepalm:
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If whoever the new drummer is plays Pearl or Yamaha, I will never listen to DT again.
why is that?
:facepalm:
He doesn't want to have to go out and buy new drums, duh...
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ummmm ok so DT must really be struggling to make a decision on who the drummer ought to be. Its been weeks(?) since they had done the auditions. What are they doing? I know that Rudess is probably a bit preoccupied with explorations, and that this is also their recovery time from touring. However, If they sat down for like a couple of hours with the audition tapes and recordings, even over several days, they could easily come to a comfortable conclusion. Could they have wanted to audition additional drummers (apart from the seven)? maybe i'm too impatient!
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maybe i'm too impatient!
Bingo.
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maybe i'm too impatient!
Bingo.
I can understand where he's coming from. I'm getting pretty impatient about this too!
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yeah man I can't wait to find out who the new drummer is!!! I'm on the edge of my seat.
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Yeah I'm excited too, but it's such a big decision for the band that I can understand them taking a while to decide. There must be so many aspects to think about.
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maybe i'm too impatient!
Bingo.
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Interesting read on JP's forum. I quote Masterplan :
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"I heard from a friend of one of the band that Virgil was one of the seven, but is not the chosen guy. :("
I don't know if it's true, but if it is, we have one less drummer.
B.Lee
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Interesting read on JP's forum. I quote Masterplan :
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"I heard from a friend of one of the band that Virgil was one of the seven, but is not the chosen guy. :("
I don't know if it's true, but if it is, we have one less drummer.
B.Lee
If this is true, I don't know whether to be relieved or shattered! a drumming sensation, but on the other hand, maybe not a wise edition for the band stylistically.
At least theres still hope for minnemann! hehemaybe i'm too impatient!
Bingo.
LOL I really did hit the nail on the head there, didn't I?
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My money is on Thomas Lang, it's not a matter of playing ability as, Virgil, Marco, Thomas, Mike M. are all true virtuosos on the drums any of them can surely play all the DT catalog. The thing is, from what I've read, seen from Thomas Lang on interviews, videos etc. I think he's personality fits incredibly well with the rest of the DT guys, very music oriented, yet at the same time he is a great show man. Plus he, just like Virgil is a drummer's drummer and that brings a lot of credibility. On the musical side... if you guys have not checked out he's band StOrk, please do, you will not be sorry.
PS. on a curious note... I just noticed he is now following James, John and Jordan on Twitter...
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My money is on Thomas Lang, it's not a matter of playing ability as, Virgil, Marco, Thomas, Mike M. are all true virtuosos on the drums any of them can surely play all the DT catalog. The thing is, from what I've read, seen from Thomas Lang on interviews, videos etc. I think he's personality fits incredibly well with the rest of the DT guys, very music oriented, yet at the same time he is a great show man. Plus he, just like Virgil is a drummer's drummer and that brings a lot of credibility. On the musical side... if you guys have not checked out he's band StOrk, please do, you will not be sorry.
PS. on a curious note... I just noticed he is now following James, John and Jordan on Twitter...
I think he has been following those 3 on twitter before the whole thing went down, but I could be wrong
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Just searched "Peter Wildoer" on twitter, trying to find out if he has a twitter page...
Only two tweets. One of which says "apa kabar Mike Mangini, Virgil Donati, Bobby Jarzombek, Terry Bozzio, Peter Wildoer, Thomas Lang sama Marco Minnemann?"
I don't speak indonesian very well, but that's seven different names, sans Charlie Z who Stevetheater insisted wasn't one of the seven, plus Bobby Jarzombek who I've seen speculated, but haven't yet seen confidently listed among the seven.
Obviously, this is some complete stranger halfway across the world from the United States - I doubt he has any first hand information, but it's a list I haven't seen, and which ties in fairly comfortably with previous rumours. Sounds feasable as a list of auditionees.
In a vacuum I'd call bull, and it's a hollow reference, but it kinda fits neatly enough with the other stuff we've heard that I'd give it more credence than your standard anonymous, contentless list.
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You sure he's the real guy? I mean, he's Swedish, not Indonesian.
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Oh. No, it's not Peter Wildoer. It's some Indonesian stranger. I mean Pete only had two mentions, and no twitter page that I could find.
I was just posting it 'cause it's a new list, and one that matches old rumours.
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The tweet sounds more like a question. The guy is probably just speculating.
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Oh okay. If Charlie Z really isn't in there, then go Marco!
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Just searched "Peter Wildoer" on twitter, trying to find out if he has a twitter page...
Only two tweets. One of which says "apa kabar Mike Mangini, Virgil Donati, Bobby Jarzombek, Terry Bozzio, Peter Wildoer, Thomas Lang sama Marco Minnemann?"
According to a translator: That means: How Are You doing Mike Mangini, Virgil Donati, Bobby Jarzombek, Terry Bozzio, Peter Wildoer, Thomas Lang, Marco Minnemann, same?
Also, when I googled Bobby Jarzombek, google suggested 'Bobby Jarzombek Dream Theater'
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It does the same for Neil Peart! :omg:
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It does the same for Neil Peart! :omg:
Not for me it doesn't
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Only two tweets. One of which says "apa kabar Mike Mangini, Virgil Donati, Bobby Jarzombek, Terry Bozzio, Peter Wildoer, Thomas Lang sama Marco Minnemann?"
Just some guy speculating. As much as I wish it wasn't so, Bobby Jarzombek
was on a South American tour at the time they were holding the auditions.
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Only two tweets. One of which says "apa kabar Mike Mangini, Virgil Donati, Bobby Jarzombek, Terry Bozzio, Peter Wildoer, Thomas Lang sama Marco Minnemann?"
Just some guy speculating. As much as I wish it wasn't so, Bobby Jarzombek
was on a South American tour at the time they were holding the auditions.
Yeah, unfortunately, you're right. I would have liked to see BJ in DT. What a blast it would have been!
B.Lee
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I still suspect that they already know who the new guy is. I am sure there are legalities and contracts/conditions to be agree upon and worked out. Plus, the guys have to hit the tanning booths, get cool new metal clothes, and fix their hair for the press release photo of the "New and improved, extra strength" Dream Theater.
I am voting for Marco.
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I still suspect that they already know who the new guy is. I am sure there are legalities and contracts/conditions to be agree upon and worked out. Plus, the guys have to hit the tanning booths, get cool new metal clothes, and fix their hair for the press release photo of the "New and improved, extra strength" Dream Theater.
I am voting for Marco.
You're probably right about all the legal things.
While MM's playing is really great, i don't find him much of an entertainer. I'd rather have Lang to fill MP's spot.
B.Lee
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Before all of this, I really wasn't familiar with any of these guys, so I'm not really pulling for anyone, but I do find myself leaning towards
Lang. The guy really seems amazing.
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I heard from a source who claims he knows that Charlie Z was not one of the 7 who auditioned. Can anyone confirm this? or refute it? :tick2:
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My source told me MP auditioned.
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Tri ad, was that anything important?
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My source told me MP auditioned.
Should I laugh now?
My post was totally serious and not in any way bogus. Thanks for mocking it. :tick2:
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Past experiences (mostly sport transfer relations) have forced me to take all suggestions of sources or "little bird told me" with a pinch of salt as it may be very far from the truth or the actual truth. We all know as much as each other.
The only people that know information are the DT guys and the drummers and neither will say anything. Simply because they can't out of respect and not everything will be 100% accurate.
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Past experiences (mostly sport transfer relations) have forced me to take all suggestions of sources or "little bird told me" with a pinch of salt as it may be very far from the truth or the actual truth. We all know as much as each other.
The only people that know information are the DT guys and the drummers and neither will say anything. Simply because they can't out of respect and not everything will be 100% accurate.
Your wrong on one point. We do not all know as much as someone else. I am not saying this particular info is accurate, but it certainly could be. There are insiders who post on boards. I know a guy that I mocked mercifully for claiming he knew shit about Rush all the time. I was admittedly a dick to him on a few occasions. It turned out his is in the know as he is a member of the Rush road crew. I apologized and wiped the egg off my face.
My point is you never know if info is true or not, but never be so cock sure of yourself that you know it isn't. :tick2:
I do believe the info I got is credible because it came from a credible source who does not say something just to say it. Of course its totally your right to disregard it.
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Tri ad, was that anything important?
What do you mean?
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Past experiences (mostly sport transfer relations) have forced me to take all suggestions of sources or "little bird told me" with a pinch of salt as it may be very far from the truth or the actual truth. We all know as much as each other.
The only people that know information are the DT guys and the drummers and neither will say anything. Simply because they can't out of respect and not everything will be 100% accurate.
- DT guys.
- The auditionees.
- The auditionees' families and friends back home. ("why are you going to New York for a day, Virgil?")
- The auditionees' collaborators and any bandmates.
- Anyone working at the studio they're using to audition.
- Any other musicians working at the studio.
- DT guys' families and friends - and possibly other musicians.
- Some auditionees who may have been invited but unable to attend.
It's not a massive embargo. There are plenty of ways info could get out. Secrets slip.
I agree that you have to take everything with a pinch of salt, though. It tends to be when a rumour starts to surface in more than one place that I give it credence. People do make stuff up.
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I'm sure it won't be long before we find out who auditioned. I would bet it will be long before we hear who is selected.
A lot of people probably know who auditioned, and it will probably slip out. If the selection has been made, although the people who know is probably a bigger circle than Rob mentioned (add in agents, management, lawyers, etc.), it will probably stay hush-hush for a few months until DT are ready to make a big announcement. (I'm curious to see whether it will be announced before or after they go into the studio, but either way wouldn't surprise me)
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The post above you that the guy edited. I thought that's what you were referring to.
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Actually, I just got word about who the drummer is: Kelly Gray
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"the waiting is the hardest part" - TP and the heartbreakers...so true..
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I want some leaked audition videos.
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I've got some leaks, my mum says it's ok.
I don't know any of those drummers nor do I have any idea about drumming but I like Marco Minneman guy, even if (or maybe because) he is a bit goofy.
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Actually, I just got word about who the drummer is: Herman Rarebell
Fixed. :tick2:
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Mike Mangini, and Rod Morgenstein both teach at my school. I could just ask them? :)
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Mike Mangini, and Rod Morgenstein both teach at my school. I could just ask them? :)
Seriously? DO IT.
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I don't think Mike is going to do it, as he is super busy at the school. I'll ask Rod on Wed when I see him.
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Can Peter Wildoer even get into the States to audition? I understand some sort of visa problem cancelled the LaBrie tour (for which i purchased a VIP ticket, sob). I wonder if this the visa issue might connected to him, and if it hinders his auditioning.
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Can Peter Wildoer even get into the States to audition? I understand some sort of visa problem cancelled the LaBrie tour (for which i purchased a VIP ticket, sob). I wonder if this the visa issue might connected to him, and if it hinders his auditioning.
Oh I god I hope it prevents him. Or prevented him.
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Can Peter Wildoer even get into the States to audition? I understand some sort of visa problem cancelled the LaBrie tour (for which i purchased a VIP ticket, sob). I wonder if this the visa issue might connected to him, and if it hinders his auditioning.
Oh I god I hope it prevents him. Or prevented him.
Agreed. :lol
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The auditions already happened, and my guess is that Peter didn't need to get a work visa to hang out in NY for a day or two, so if he is one of the seven, he probably got a chance to audition. I too hope he didn't get the job. Didn't see anything really special about his drumming the way Lang, Z, or Minnemann have some kind of special style.
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If its not going to be Lang I want Marco really bad. I was looking at his Racer X stuff and his playing is right up DTs alley. He might actually be the best fit.
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Marco would probably make GuitarCozmo happiest.
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Marco would probably make GuitarCozmo happiest.
...actually, I believe he's hoping for Stubby Pete.
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I'd love for Stumpy Joe to make an appearance, actually. Hope no one vomits near him...
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Interestingly, Charlie Zelany has posted on Facebook that there's a "big gig announcement coming soon. Stay tuned!"
All of which may just be him teasing the fans before announcing that he's playing with some jazz band in a NY hotel or something. Who knows . . .
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While I still want Marco in, I would also be happy with Charlie Z. Recently discovered Blotted science, and discovered he is the drummer. Awesome stuff!
Also, a little off topic, but is there some connection between spastic ink and blotted science, or is it just me?. Musically, they are strikingly similar; tonally as well as some similar licks n riffs etc (although spastic is a little more shred orientated and blotted more metal \m/ ).
btw, just throwing it out there, I am slowly loosing interest in finding out who the new drummer will be lol (or at least less caring, as opposed to checking for news from twitters/facebooks and forums day-in day-out). Any one else feel the same? surely some of the die hard forumers will disagree haha.
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Also, a little off topic, but is there some connection between spastic ink and blotted science, or is it just me?.
Ron Jarzombek
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Also, a little off topic, but is there some connection between spastic ink and blotted science, or is it just me?.
Ron Jarzombek
This. Spastic Ink is Rob Jarzombek with Bobby Jarzombek on drums, and Blotted Science is Rob with Charlie Z. Personally I think Spastic Ink is much superior, but that's just me. Man that's one epic family. If they have a sister, I bet she's hot.
My first choice for DT drums would have been Bobby J, but if he's not available (as seems likely) then Lang is my favourite for the position
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I think it's Charlie Z. Just saw that on his Facebook.
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Damn.
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Hmmm that facebook post could just be a red herring.
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With news this big waiting to be revealed, I think it's more like a red halibut.
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I would be okay with anyone listed except for Martin Lopez, Pete Wildoer, Gavin Harrison and Kevin Moore (come on that's even not funny anymoore). But I went with Thomas Lang, because
I want a plastic chair solo on the next album he seems the most versatile and creative. Plus, he played for Boyzone so he must be awesome. :hefdaddy
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And look Charlie Z has just become friends with:
"Mike von Portman.'" - SUBTLE HINT?! :neverusethis:
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With news this big waiting to be revealed, I think it's more like a red halibut.
King Mackerel FTW. Its high mercury content is obviously contributing to a band-wide "Mad Hatter Syndrome" as it were. Peter Criss will be their new drummer.
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If that's the case, then let me say that I called it.
Still, I'd be kind of let down; but he was the obvious choice.
Edit: Damn, new page already, and apparently, nothing is decided yet.
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Marco would probably make GuitarCozmo happiest.
...actually, I believe he's hoping for Stubby Pete.
Peter James Bond or John "Stumpy" Pepys. Marco would be cool. Burning Organ is a badass album. I didn't care for Spaceship One AS much, but I haven't listened to it enough.
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Well it couldn't possibly be Charlie as our inside friends confirmed that he didn't try out and I was scolded for being skeptical of the info... ::)
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The announcement said "Finishing up Northeast Tour this week. Big gig announcement coming. Stay tuned!" Unless DT is planning a tour, meaning the info about that would probably have leaked already, I think this is nothing.
Though I hope.
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With news this big waiting to be revealed, I think it's more like a red halibut.
King Mackerel FTW. Its high mercury content is obviously contributing to a band-wide "Mad Hatter Syndrome" as it were. Peter Criss will be their new drummer.
i.e. Anton Fig will be the new drummer :P
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:rollin
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Apparently the big gig for Charlie Z was the halftime show at the Giants Stadium on Thanksgiving
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So, the big gig announcement was literally a big gig announcement :lol
Playing a Sold Out New Meadowlands Stadium (Giants Stadium) for the Halftime Show of the NY Jets Game on Thanksgiving night with Rock of Ages. Capacity is 80,000+ and show starts at around 9:30pm EST on Thurs Nov 25th 2010. Check local listings!
Edit: Ninja'd
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The Red Halibut has been caught, cleaned, and cooked.
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Charlie Z is now officially Facebook's worst cocktease.
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Haha I love cockteases... Wait what?
Anyways, Charlie Z is good but not my first pick
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Charlie Z is now officially Facebook's worst cocktease.
:lol :lol This.
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With news this big waiting to be revealed, I think it's more like a red halibut.
King Mackerel FTW. Its high mercury content is obviously contributing to a band-wide "Mad Hatter Syndrome" as it were. Peter Criss will be their new drummer.
i.e. Anton Fig will be the new drummer :P
Anton Fig FTW!! :metal He's great on Ace's new album.
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I think it's time for my photoshop again:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/dt_new_drummer.jpg)
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Herman Rarebell
Keep the dream alive... :tick2:
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With news this big waiting to be revealed, I think it's more like a red halibut.
King Mackerel FTW. Its high mercury content is obviously contributing to a band-wide "Mad Hatter Syndrome" as it were. Peter Criss will be their new drummer.
i.e. Anton Fig will be the new drummer :P
Oh god yes!!! Except, he won't tour live. :laugh:
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Well it couldn't possibly be Charlie as our inside friends confirmed that he didn't try out and I was scolded for being skeptical of the info... ::)
Don't remember anyone scolding you, but I myself agree with you. Always be cautious of rumours.
That said! Things do get out, and when I start to see rumours gaining a bit of persistence, or especially two independent rumours correlating, I kind of start re-evaluating. But people make stuff up all the time. Often stuff which is obviously false. There's a Doctor Who website out there which seems to insist on coming up with fanwanky bullcrap before each series airs, and calling them "spoilers." Just had a look at it, and one episode summary consists of...
3202 The House of Nothing
215 010511 by Neil Gaiman
aka Zero Coordinates. Rumoured return of the time sensitives, dwarf star alloy, K9 and Romana.
I cannot work out for the life of me what is motivating this person. That's clearly bollocks. I'm not sure if it might even be a practical joke. Neil Gaiman is writing an episode, the rest is total bollocks. Heck, they've even jossed that specific title.
Rumours are to be treated with caution. But that doesn't mean you should automatically disregard them. Stuff does leak, secrets spread, information gets out. And often to the wrong people. It's not too hard to spot which ones have a ring of truth. The list of five, currently, has a couple of sources (I think?) and is not entirely unrealistic. Plus, Stevetheater (the first one to mention it) isn't one to spout out rubbish unmotivated, he's a fairly well known guy in the DT world. I don't know why he'd want to toss out his reputation by making up drivel.
Not saying the rumour is correct, of course. The person he was speaking to may have been wrong. But as far as rumours go, the five out of seven that we're going for is looking pretty believable. But then every rumour wants to be believed.
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I call for Dr. Who references to be banned from all forums. There are far too many and I'm completely out of the loop with it :lol
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Herman Rarebell
Keep the dream alive... :tick2:
Scorp Theater must happen!
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Thinking (and hoping) DT chooses Lang. He seems like a good match musically, and certainly seems dedicated with all of the drum camps, clinics, etc. Love it or hate it, he also seems to be active in online social-networking...something that will be essential for the band moving forward with PR. (Also TL is following the remaining DT members on Twitter.)
Certainly not here to bash on Portnoy, but it is refreshing seeing a drummer like Lang who is dedicated to practice and equipment. I was beginning to hear MP say things like: "I'm not really a gear head..." (or something like that). Also I remember hearing MP making a comment about lax practice methods.
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I agree, MemoryScenes. In fact, I've always found Portnoy's attitude toward his instrument to be at odds with Myung, who is practicing every time you see him, James, who's done wonders to his voice in recent years and Petrucci and Rudess, who are constantly trying to one-up themselves (and eachother). In sum, I doubt there's much more to Portnoy's attitude than the image he wants to display.
Lately, I've looked at it this way: circa 1998-2003, Mike Portnoy was THE drummer that drummers were talking about. Just listen to his work on FII or Scenes, or the first 2 Transatlantic CDs; In almost every song, you can hear how badly he wanted to keep those drummer awards coming. Around 2005, though, things really started to change. Portnoy was no longer as "in" as much newer guys like Gavin Harrison. I think, judging by some comments made on his own forums and other drum forums around that time that maybe he wasn't really thrilled with the shift in focus away from him.
That's where Portnoy the "reclusive" drum god steps in. Having had his day in the sun, Portnoy's accepted that there's people on the field now who, quite frankly, can play anything he can play with 1.) a smaller kit and 2.) their eyes closed. Instead of pushing himself to surpass these people, he's dropped out of the competition. That's where stuff like "Eh, I don't really care about my gear," and "I almost never practice" comes in. I'm sure he still practices, but he's not "competing" anymore.
In fact, Portnoy likely always practices. He's constantly touring and playing in the studio. Some of his drumming on Nightmare is way different than what we've ever heard him do before. We have videos of him on Youtube opening up "new gear," talking about gear, and practicing with his son.
But he's simply not competing anymore. He's not overplaying. You can tell by listening that he doesn't care if his performance gets him a "best drummer" award from a magazine anymore. That's the important distinction we need to make.
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Been lurking for a while, just seeing what the next move for DT will be drummer wise. And a lot of great names are being thrown out there. I honestly have not heard of a few, but enjoyed the youtube's of them that have been posted here.
I really question though why someone like Aaron Harris from ISIS has not been mentioned or even contemplated by DT themselves? ISIS no longer exists, they broke up this summer, and Aaron has such a unique sound (like friend Dany Carey), I just personally feel like he really should considered.
Not like I have a say or anything...LOL. Would also love to see Lopez, but that would never happen, and Akerfelds studio frustration with him in the end makes him a liability. Out of the list I guess I would say Lang.
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Not like I have a say or anything...LOL. Would also love to see Lopez, but that would never happen, and Akerfelds studio frustration with him in the end makes him a liability.
Dude, explain?
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Not like I have a say or anything...LOL. Would also love to see Lopez, but that would never happen, and Akerfelds studio frustration with him in the end makes him a liability.
Dude, explain?
I believe Akerfeldt explained it in detail during the making of the "Watershed" DVD (or it was talked about in the Watershed diaries on the opeth website). He was talking about how Martin Axenrot was a machine when recording all the drumming tracks. He then went into a detail on how it was difficult getting Lopez motivated to record his drum tracks. Especially during Ghost Reveries, how he kind of had to handle Lopez with kid gloves. It was a huge frustration of his.
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Not like I have a say or anything...LOL. Would also love to see Lopez, but that would never happen, and Akerfelds studio frustration with him in the end makes him a liability.
Dude, explain?
I believe Akerfeldt explained it in detail during the making of the "Watershed" DVD (or it was talked about in the Watershed diaries on the opeth website). He was talking about how Martin Axenrot was a machine when recording all the drumming tracks. He then went into a detail on how it was difficult getting Lopez motivated to record his drum tracks. Especially during Ghost Reveries, how he kind of had to handle Lopez with kid gloves. It was a huge frustration of his.
Also, as mentioned on the Ghost Reveries Making of-DVD, he couldn't handle the stress of touring. So I have NO idea why anyone would ever seriously consider him as Portnoy's replacement...
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Oh, wow. I always just thought he was sick. Had no idea he was in a mentally fragile state.
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No way Lopez can be the replacement, ever. Although I really like his style. Like a lot.
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Vote for Mangini, my choice and realistic opinion. I simply connect him with DT and period .
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Mike Mangini gets my vote, I loved him playing with Steve Vai, but seriously I still believe this is only a casual gig because Mike will be back sooner rather than later. :smiley:
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Just a question, is it possible that DT have auditioned unknown drummers? Or have they stated they are all well known drummers.
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It is possible to be anyone,known or unknown.
We simply don't know.
We have the list that stevetheater shared with us but we don't know how accurate is it.
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Mike will be back sooner rather than later. :smiley:
Um, not actually sure that's correct. From everything that's happened and been said since Mike left, it seems likely that there have been some issues on a personal issue between MP and one or more of the remaining members, and knowing how stubborn Mike can be, it seems unlikely that he would be willing to back down. Until things are 100% amiable between him and the others, I don't see Mike rejoining. To be honest, I don't see him coming back at all.
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It would be weird though to come a day that Mike will go to a DT concert as a fan like us..
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^^^ Mike will experience his first Dream Theater album from the viewpoint of a music listener, as opposed to the songwriter!!! I'd be interested to see how he responds to their new material... probably something like "Well done to the DT guys for creating an awesome album. Good to see MY baby is in safe hands :-(". n JP will be like "good tweet good tweet"
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I wonder if DT's new cd will make Mike's list for great music of the year.
I think if MP doesnt want any more backlash from DT fans, he might wanna be a bit diplomatic and "Act" supportive of DT. That will actually help his career going forward. If he acts like a whining baby or says mean things DT fans who still love him may be more inclined to avoid him and his new musical endeavors.
MP will say something eventually. It is IMPOSSIBLE for him to stay quiet.
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Glyder (recently disbanded) have a great young up and coming drummer Davy Ryan. Would be my outside bet.. In action here-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErKfve16ipY
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I'm sure after Mike hears the new DT album, he'll be heavily influenced by the music and be motivated to write something eerily similar on his next project. ;)
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https://carlbegai.com/2010/11/15/peter-wildoer-thunder-and-the-beast/ (https://carlbegai.com/2010/11/15/peter-wildoer-thunder-and-the-beast/)
New interview with Peter Wildoer where he talks about DT.
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Looks as if pete did not audition after all.
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I haven't really been following this discussion that much, i don't find speculating to be that interesting.
Whatever drummer gets picked, i trust in the guys to make a good decision.
Will be nice to hear how it affects the music on the next DT-album. :tup
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PW doesn't expressly say that he didn't audition. He just said that it is impossible to replace Portnoy.
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PW doesn't expressly say that he didn't audition. He just said that it is impossible to replace Portnoy.
"There are a lot of people mailing me and contacting me through Facebook who want me to audition for Dream Theater, and I can totally see them thinking that since Im on James new CD. Thats not my decision to make. Im also extremely flattered they think I could pull it off. I would of course consider it if I was asked"
Looks like he wasn't asked, given this is a very recent interview.
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Swedish. Probably lost in translation.
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Bengai commented on ytse times the interview was two weeks ago, which was right around audition times. I don't think chances are too great for him... unless it's all a cover up. Dun Dun Duuunnn.
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So is this a "vote for your favorite pocket drummer" thread or what
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Tuff one to vote on but when i listen to lang i keep hearing the old style DT and do this :biggrin:
But as far as overall fit /sound /past experience and all that garbage my vote was for Mangini oh wait Donati , no sriously i went with Mangini
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Know what would be awesome? If they hired MP's son as the next drummer. Too bad he's not older.
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Charlie Zeleny: Did everyone see my DT videos? Everyone seems to really dig them. Going to be a busy New Year to keep things going! www.YouTube.com/DrumDocZ
Huh.
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Charlie Zeleny: Did everyone see my DT videos? Everyone seems to really dig them. Going to be a busy New Year to keep things going! www.YouTube.com/DrumDocZ
Huh.
If (and i doubt it) MP was going to come back eventually, session drummer Charlie Z would be a good pick. His metropolis video is pretty bad ass (coming from a cool non-musician type)
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As far as PW is concerned, I don't know if he auditioned or not, but just remember that JLB's solo tour was cancelled because he and Marco Sfogli could not get a work visa on time. I don't think the guys in DT would take the risk of having a drummer being unable to work in the US because of his status as a foreigner.
B.Lee
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Charlie Zeleny: Did everyone see my DT videos? Everyone seems to really dig them. Going to be a busy New Year to keep things going! www.YouTube.com/DrumDocZ
Huh.
If (and i doubt it) MP was going to come back eventually, session drummer Charlie Z would be a good pick. His metropolis video is pretty bad ass (coming from a cool non-musician type)
He does seem pretty good. And with the experience that he's got with other genres and bands, it may not be a huge letdown if MP were to come back because he would have other things to go back to.
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Charlie Zeleny: Did everyone see my DT videos? Everyone seems to really dig them. Going to be a busy New Year to keep things going! www.YouTube.com/DrumDocZ
Huh.
If (and i doubt it) MP was going to come back eventually, session drummer Charlie Z would be a good pick. His metropolis video is pretty bad ass (coming from a cool non-musician type)
He does seem pretty good. And with the experience that he's got with other genres and bands, it may not be a huge letdown if MP were to come back because he would have other things to go back to.
Quite the contrary in my eyes. Not only is he already a fantastic drummer, he'd now have the title "Former drummer of Dream Theater" by his name. He'd definitely find a gig.
EDIT: I hope whoever joins DT is permanent, though.
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I think we can rule out Mark Zonder for sure from the possible replacement list. He posted this on his Twitter / Facebook account:
"OK, as much as I appreciate all of the calls, emails, tweets etc......no, I have not been approached by DT for the drum position. I am thankful for all of your good wishes and nice compliments, but as of now, you guys know as much as I do. I do think it would have been great to at least work on a song and track it with them, but so it goes. Thanks again for the support."
I'm still betting on Thomas Lang.
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There was somebody @ the A7X aftershow (11-15-2010, The Melkweg, Amsterdam) that told MP if he would go and see DT next year live at one their concerts... He said yeah, he would like to see that. Would be very weird for him though.
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Charlie Zeleny: Did everyone see my DT videos? Everyone seems to really dig them. Going to be a busy New Year to keep things going! www.YouTube.com/DrumDocZ
Huh.
Twitter also says the only 3 pages he's following are Labrie, Petrucci, & Rudess. It's fun to speculate.
https://twitter.com/CharlieZDrums
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Charlie Zeleny: Did everyone see my DT videos? Everyone seems to really dig them. Going to be a busy New Year to keep things going! www.YouTube.com/DrumDocZ
Huh.
He also released some other DT videos around the time MP left in "honor" of him leaving.
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I've given this a lot of thought and Thomas Lang really seems like the most probable option, in my opinion.
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well you've given it alot of thought, so your opinion must be very valid. I'm sorry. You're probably right, but I really don't want to see Lang in the band. Zero creative flair (I watched "creative control" with my drumming mate, and all the sound tracks he played along too (which he wrote/composed I believe) were rubbish. his playing ideas, however, are worth it if your a drummer). he does have a certain look that could fit dream theater (as a person and his kits alike), but i just can't stand him arghhhh... and stOrk is mostly... uhh I will just stop myself there. Marco plz kthnx </pointless anxty rant>
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Johnny Mac FTW.
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I am leaning towards mike mangini. I have seen a couple of his drum clinics and he is truly impressive. And of course he is from newengland im a little biased. Dont know if he would give up his gig at berkley, but his style fits dt in many ways. Thomas lange is my next choice,truly epic drummer. The waiting is the hardest part. But with such a huge decision to make,you cant rush these things. :metal :metal
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I think we can rule out Mark Zonder for sure from the possible replacement list. He posted this on his Twitter / Facebook account:
"OK, as much as I appreciate all of the calls, emails, tweets etc......no, I have not been approached by DT for the drum position. I am thankful for all of your good wishes and nice compliments, but as of now, you guys know as much as I do. I do think it would have been great to at least work on a song and track it with them, but so it goes. Thanks again for the support."
I'm still betting on Thomas Lang.
Very disappointing he wasn't at least considered. I love Zonder and his playing style. I agree, he probably wasn't the best choice due to his age (I think DT needs someone under 50), but I think he still should've been a candidate.
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I'm trying to learn more about Thomas, and so far it seems he's the more prefered option.
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It seems that by the day the list gets shorter..
I agree with you Rina93,it seems that Lang is a good fit and a strong candidate.
I wouldn't rule out Minnemann or Mangini or Macaluso or Donati though.. They are equally impressive as drummers and as personalities.
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If TL is picked, he will by far be the coolest member of DT. Seriously. He has got the look.
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well you've given it alot of thought, so your opinion must be very valid.
Um. Yeah, okay. I'd like to refer you to the title of this thread: "Place your bets - DT's new drummer." All I'm doing is placing my 'bet', buddy.
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From Charlie Zeleny's FB.
"Did everyone see my DT videos? Everyone seems to really dig them. Going to be a busy New Year to keep things going! www.YouTube.com/DrumDocZ"
"Everyone wants to know about me & DT. I'm unable to say. I can only say that the 3 tunes everyone auditioned with are found on my YouTube."
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With that first post, did he basically admit he was chosen?
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From Charlie Zeleny's FB.
"Did everyone see my DT videos? Everyone seems to really dig them. Going to be a busy New Year to keep things going! www.YouTube.com/DrumDocZ"
"Everyone wants to know about me & DT. I'm unable to say. I can only say that the 3 tunes everyone auditioned with are found on my YouTube."
So we got either Nightmare, Spirit, Dance or Metropolis as the three.
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With that first post, did he basically admit he was chosen?
Seems so.
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My only problem with Charlie Z is that I don't see DTs music growing or changing with him. I'm 100% positive he can play all of the old stuff perfectly, without having to adjust anything about hi splaying. But I was hoping a new drummer could that, plus bring in a new style along with that. Like Lange or something. Charlie Z will be a fine addition, but things will remain status quoe
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My only problem with Charlie Z is that I don't see DTs music growing or changing with him. I'm 100% positive he can play all of the old stuff perfectly, without having to adjust anything about hi splaying. But I was hoping a new drummer could that, plus bring in a new style along with that. Like Lange or something. Charlie Z will be a fine addition, but things will remain status quoe
Agreed, but my hopes for the next album are still very high.
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My only problem with Charlie Z is that I don't see DTs music growing or changing with him. I'm 100% positive he can play all of the old stuff perfectly, without having to adjust anything about hi splaying. But I was hoping a new drummer could that, plus bring in a new style along with that. Like Lange or something. Charlie Z will be a fine addition, but things will remain status quoe
Agreed, but my hopes for the next album are still very high.
As our mine, but now inspite of the drummer. It seems with charlie, it will be Petrucci and co being responsible for anything new. While charlie does pretty much whatever portnoy would have done.
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So now we know what songs they played!
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I was under the impression that, based on certain sources or whatever, Charlie hadn't auditioned. And now he's suddenly a frontrunner?
My only problem with Charlie Z is that I don't see DTs music growing or changing with him. I'm 100% positive he can play all of the old stuff perfectly, without having to adjust anything about hi splaying. But I was hoping a new drummer could that, plus bring in a new style along with that. Like Lange or something. Charlie Z will be a fine addition, but things will remain status quoe
I concur.
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I was under the impression that, based on certain sources or whatever, Charlie hadn't auditioned. And now he's suddenly a frontrunner?
Rumours are rumours. Charlie on the other hand has outright stated that he auditioned.
And yes, it looks like he's the new drummer. Or at least in line for it. "Unable to say" is light years away from "not being considered." Even if he's maybe one of a final two, I'm tempted to say all bets are off...
If it's true, he was voted third most probable. Second if you discredit the Kevin Moore votes. Which does say a fair bit about our power to guess rationally, possibly.
Virgil Donati 16 (7.6%)
Peter Wildoer 13 (6.2%)
Mike Mangini 25 (11.8%)
Marco Minnemann 6 (2.8%)
Thomas Lang 33 (15.6%)
Charlie Zeleny 29 (13.7%)
Terry Bozzio 5 (2.4%)
Nick D'Virgilio 2 (0.9%)
Mark Zonder 2 (0.9%)
Rod Morgenstein 6 (2.8%)
Bobby Jarzombek 3 (1.4%)
Ted Kirkpatrick 1 (0.5%)
John Macaluso 3 (1.4%)
Travis Orbin 0 (0%)
Chris Maitland 1 (0.5%)
Richard Christy 1 (0.5%)
Martin Lopez 5 (2.4%)
Gavin Harrison 3 (1.4%)
Zombie Mike Portnoy 15 (7.1%)
Kevin Moore 30 (14.2%)
OTHER 12 (5.7%)
Or, ranked...
1. Thomas Lang 33 (15.6%)
2. Kevin Moore 30 (14.2%)
3. Charlie Zeleny 29 (13.7%)
4. Mike Mangini 25 (11.8%)
5. Virgil Donati 16 (7.6%)
6. Zombie Mike Portnoy 15 (7.1%)
7. Peter Wildoer 13 (6.2%)
8. Marco Minnemann 6 (2.8%)
8. Rod Morgenstein 6 (2.8%)
10. Terry Bozzio 5 (2.4%)
10. Martin Lopez 5 (2.4%)
12. Bobby Jarzombek 3 (1.4%)
12. John Macaluso 3 (1.4%)
12. Gavin Harrison 3 (1.4%)
15. Nick D'Virgilio 2 (0.9%)
15. Mark Zonder 2 (0.9%)
17. Ted Kirkpatrick 1 (0.5%)
17. Chris Maitland 1 (0.5%)
17. Richard Christy 1 (0.5%)
20. Travis Orbin 0 (0%)
x. OTHER 12 (5.7%)
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I was under the impression that, based on certain sources or whatever, Charlie hadn't auditioned. And now he's suddenly a frontrunner?
Well he said it, man.
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Quick, everyone add him as a friend before the shitstorm of people that are gonna visit his page after the announcment! :P
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Thinking realistically prevailed again (at least for me). Well, if he's the new drummer: Congratulations to Charlie Z.
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It sure seems that he is the new drummer,i am still waiting for the official announcement though.
I don't know if he is the ideal drummer for DT,he is impressive though.
Let's hope for the best for the band and for him.
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Although I'm still hesitant to accept the fact that he's the new drummer, I did opt to take a look at his Dream Theater covers for the first time. One thing I noticed is that his emotion really fluctuates while he plays. At some points, he'll be playing with all kinds of emotion and energy and candour, while at other times he just seems rather flat and as though he's just going through the motions. That being said, I thoroughly enjoyed his cover of A Nightmare to Remember.
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i think now that if he is the new drummer,DT chose a new talent instead of a big star.
I think if this is the case it's a very cool decision from the band.I am VERY excited for the next chapter in DT history.I am optimistic.
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I share the same concern of Adami.
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Interesting. I'd assumed that he must have auditioned to get his hands on the DT tracks he drums to on YouTube. Not convinced he's got the job though - the band may have asked all those auditioning to keep quiet on the subject, which would explain why we've heard absolutely nothing from any of the secret seven.
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Lets be fair,nobody will replace mp. For those out there that say he looked flat,he is covering another drummers work. Its a audition,and you want to be spot on to show you can "cover" the songs. If he is the new drummer i truly believe he will add his own style to dt as well as his own energy. I for one dont want a mp clone,I want someone that is talented in his own right and passionate about his craft and by watching those videos I saw both.I will miss the energy and the spirit that mp brought to dt,but am truly excited for the future. dt will be better than ever,I have no doubts. :metal
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I dunno. Im not sold on this Charlie Z guy. Yes he can play, but hes not a scratch on Lang. I dont think Charlie is the same level of musician that the other guys in the band are. He reminds me of a Derek Sherinian look alike on drums...just sayin.
The stick catching thing looks silly to me. Either do rediculous tricks that defy physics or do nothing. The ones on ANTR look try hard imo.
Im not openly flaming this guy, he is very good from the videos, I was hoping for more of a musical genius like the others.
AND if he gets the gig, I genuinely look forward to what he has to offer. Thomas Lang would complete the circle of musical freaks imo.
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Interesting. I'd assumed that he must have auditioned to get his hands on the DT tracks he drums to on YouTube.
Sounds like he's just drumming over the CD. And if not, he's friends with JR, I'd think he could get whatever tracks he wanted.
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The stick catching thing looks silly to me. Either do rediculous tricks that defy physics or do nothing. The ones on ANTR look try hard imo.
Well that's just silly.
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Interesting. I'd assumed that he must have auditioned to get his hands on the DT tracks he drums to on YouTube. Not convinced he's got the job though - the band may have asked all those auditioning to keep quiet on the subject, which would explain why we've heard absolutely nothing from any of the secret seven.
Definitely. I'd be surprised if they hadn't asked all of them to stay quiet. Wouldn't say the conclusion's foregone.
I threw up the list as it stood at the time, 'cause all of a sudden there's a lot of noise from a particular direction, and that's reduced the guesswork substantially. If Charlie Z gets a lot of votes all of a sudden, that won't have much to do with intuition, and have a lot more to do with him saying he's auditioned and that he can't say whether he's got the job but he's gonna have a busy new year.
There'll be seven people who aren't allowed to say anything. All we have is a bit of a nudge and a wink. Could be misdirection or it could be a man wrestling with a secret that's bursting to get out. But it's kind of "that phase," now.
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Interesting. I'd assumed that he must have auditioned to get his hands on the DT tracks he drums to on YouTube.
Sounds like he's just drumming over the CD.
Yeah, that's what I thought, too. At certain times when MP plays the octobans and CZ plays something different, you can hear the different pitches.
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If Charlie Z actually was chosen as the new DT drummer, I would be really disappointed. I've seen he's YouTube videos performing DT's songs and I'm honestly not impressed at all, not that he's a bad drummer or anything like that, but to me he seems amaturish and you think that the other guys that auditioned are none other than some of the world's highest profile drummers (Lang, Donati, Minnemann, Mangini). To me it would be really awkward for DT to choose the least qualified candidate. Then again it wouldn't be the first time a world class band chooses a less than adequate replacement (Iron Maiden - Blaze) not that Charlie is like Blaze, but you guys get the idea.
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If Charlie Z actually was chosen as the new DT drummer, I would be really disappointed. I've seen he's YouTube videos performing DT's songs and I'm honestly not impressed at all, not that he's a bad drummer or anything like that, but to me he seems amaturish and you think that the other guys that auditioned are none other than some of the world's highest profile drummers (Lang, Donati, Minnemann, Mangini). To me it would be really awkward for DT to choose the least qualified candidate. Then again it wouldn't be the first time a world class band chooses a less than adequate replacement (Iron Maiden - Blaze) not that Charlie is like Blaze, but you guys get the idea.
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The only thing "amateurish" about Charlie Z is the video quality he uses. That's it. His playing is far from amateurish.
No, he's not Lang, or Donati or Minnemann or Mangini...........but he's a damn fine drummer who just isn't very famous yet.
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If Charlie Z actually was chosen as the new DT drummer, I would be really disappointed. I've seen he's YouTube videos performing DT's songs and I'm honestly not impressed at all, not that he's a bad drummer or anything like that, but to me he seems amaturish and you think that the other guys that auditioned are none other than some of the world's highest profile drummers (Lang, Donati, Minnemann, Mangini). To me it would be really awkward for DT to choose the least qualified candidate. Then again it wouldn't be the first time a world class band chooses a less than adequate replacement (Iron Maiden - Blaze) not that Charlie is like Blaze, but you guys get the idea.
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The only thing "amateurish" about Charlie Z is the video quality he uses. That's it. His playing is far from amateurish.
No, he's not Lang, or Donati or Minnemann or Mangini...........but he's a damn fine drummer who just isn't very famous yet.
He is amateurish in comparison to the other candidates and the quality of the DT members themselves.
Compared to the 'average' professional drummer, he however is excellent.
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He's already a great MP replacement..announcing shit outside of a formal band statement!
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I'd take another Sherinian anyday of the week.
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If Charlie Z actually was chosen as the new DT drummer, I would be really disappointed. I've seen he's YouTube videos performing DT's songs and I'm honestly not impressed at all, not that he's a bad drummer or anything like that, but to me he seems amaturish and you think that the other guys that auditioned are none other than some of the world's highest profile drummers (Lang, Donati, Minnemann, Mangini). To me it would be really awkward for DT to choose the least qualified candidate. Then again it wouldn't be the first time a world class band chooses a less than adequate replacement (Iron Maiden - Blaze) not that Charlie is like Blaze, but you guys get the idea.
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The only thing "amateurish" about Charlie Z is the video quality he uses. That's it. His playing is far from amateurish.
No, he's not Lang, or Donati or Minnemann or Mangini...........but he's a damn fine drummer who just isn't very famous yet.
He is amateurish in comparison to the other candidates and the quality of the DT members themselves.
Compared to the 'average' professional drummer, he however is excellent.
And you're basing this off of what? Thd fact that he's not famous and doesn't have instructional DVD's?
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He's already a great MP replacement..announcing shit outside of a formal band statement!
:lol
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Charlie Z's post means that he is either the new drummer of Dream Theater, or is really taking advantage of knowing the auditioned songs. If it's him taking advantage of the situation for popularity, he may not even have even auditioned and just knew the songs... (based on his wording in the second post)
Seems like I'm agreeing with a lot of people on that fact that Charlie seems more like the 'hired gun' choice among the other names involved. A guy the band may push away if needed (like DS).
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Unfortunately, I totally see where you're coming from, MemoryScenes. Time will tell. Whoever the new guy is, I hope he's here to stay.
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well you've given it alot of thought, so your opinion must be very valid.
Um. Yeah, okay. I'd like to refer you to the title of this thread: "Place your bets - DT's new drummer." All I'm doing is placing my 'bet', buddy.
sorry mate, didn't mean to come across like such an ass and disrespect your opinion. I initially felt, in MY opinion, that no one has given it much thought if they thought Lang is the ideal for Dream Theater. That's just how i feel about him; he's got the chops, the look, and the kit, but not much else. However, this is DT, they aren't the most musically complex band in the world, and Lang would tick the playability and "looks" boxes easily. My vote goes with Minnemann because he would have a LOT to offer musically to the band (the way he thinks about time signatures is very similar to how Jordan does, interestingly), and in terms of looks, maybe not as suitable as Lang, but that isn't of importance in my books. I'd be disappointed if Lang was picked, but I trust DT will make the right decision (and Lang prove me wrong on the next record!)
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Ok just noticed the fuss about Charlies twitter posts. I'm thinking he is most likely the drummer. I can dig it. Although he kind of looks like a younger John Petrucci (6DOIT days), which could get on JPs nerves hehe.
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Ok just noticed the fuss about Charlies twitter posts. I'm thinking he is most likely the drummer. I can dig it. Although he kind of looks like a younger John Petrucci (6DOIT days), which could get on JPs nerves hehe.
You think Charlie would be a better fit than Lang? I'm not quite sure I understand that logic.
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Ok just noticed the fuss about Charlies twitter posts. I'm thinking he is most likely the drummer. I can dig it. Although he kind of looks like a younger John Petrucci (6DOIT days), which could get on JPs nerves hehe.
<chin stroke>You think Charlie would be a better fit than Lang? I'm not quite sure I understand that logic </chin stroke>.
I have interpreted Charlies Z's twitter posts as him most likely being the drummer of the band. I would prefer him as a drummer to Lang for different reasons. And although Lang is probably the better drummer in terms of playing, there's no denying Charlie Z would be a great fit, and a formidable drummer to take the spot. I'd be happy with Charlie Z.
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Ok just noticed the fuss about Charlies twitter posts. I'm thinking he is most likely the drummer. I can dig it. Although he kind of looks like a younger John Petrucci (6DOIT days), which could get on JPs nerves hehe.
<chin stroke>You think Charlie would be a better fit than Lang? I'm not quite sure I understand that logic </chin stroke>.
I have interpreted Charlies Z's twitter posts as him most likely being the drummer of the band. I would prefer him as a drummer to Lang for different reasons. And although Lang is probably the better drummer in terms of playing, there's no denying Charlie Z would be a great fit, and a formidable drummer to take the spot. I'd be happy with Charlie Z.
I guess if you want someone to play exactly what MP did, and continue to play pretty much what Portnoy would have, then Charlie is your guy.
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I didn't think of it like that. Although, from what I have seen from him on his youtube channel, he is also familiar with other styles of drumming, such as gospel and jazz/fusion, which maybe he could bring to the songwriting (not exactly musically, but in terms of bringing different rhythmical ideas to the band).
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I guess if you want someone to play exactly what MP did, and continue to play pretty much what Portnoy would have, then Charlie is your guy.
This. Although my opinion is only based upon his YouTube videos, he's talented enough to play DT's catalog, but I'm not entirely convinced he can write up to par with what MP wrote. It's easy to extrapolate from Charlie's postings that he is indeed the new drummer. Makes sense. From NYC. Worked with JR before. But I don't feel like he's going to be raising the bar the way someone like Lang would. If Charlie is who they choose, then I think I would feel that they took a step backwards, whereas I was hoping for a distinct improvement.
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Obviously Charlie auditioned.
He could very well be the new drummer. But, if he was, I am certain he would have been much more cautious about posting anything on facebook, twitter, or youtube. Like people have said before, merely auditioning for DT is a major step in his career. Even if he wasn't chosen, I'm sure he would flaunt it.
But the "New Year will be busy" statement is very interesting.
As for him joining, I don't know. It could be the videos, but it doesn't seem like he has strong dynamic control.
But if he joins, that furthers the possibility that Mike will return.
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But if he joins, that furthers the possibility that Mike will return.
That is the vibe I'm getting as well, and honestly I'm not overly fond of that. As several people have stated before, CZ would be more of a hired gun than a permanent replacement imo (contrary to what JP has stated).
As I said before, I'd be very comfortable with Lang, Mangini or Minnemann replacing MP, but DT choosing CZ seems like going the safest way possible - not that it's a bad thing, but there was a real chance of DT shaking things up strongly, and I don't really think that CZ as a drummer could really help with that.
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but there was a real chance of DT shaking things up strongly, and I don't really think that CZ as a drummer could really help with that.
And I feel like a lot of the people here were counting on a shakeup, myself included. Don't get me wrong, I was a big fan of Black Clouds and I consider it to be either their third or fourth strongest album, but I still feel like the band would really benefit from a big shakeup and Charlie Z may not be the best guy to provide it.
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I actually hope DT11 will be the only album with Zeleny, with MP coming back for DT12. I don't have extraordinary hopes for DT11.
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I really hope their new drummer is not CZ. I'm expecting something different from Dream Theater for their next album, and I don't think a MP clone would help in that direction. I'm using the world "clone" because in all his YouTube Dream Theater videos, I'm watching someone who's trying to imitate MP and not some drummer who's trying to put his personal touch into the tracks.
And I agree that the CZ solution seems like a "hired gun". Meaning that after the next album and tour, they're thinking of inviting MP back? Or they've already agreed to do that!
Fingers crossed for the big announcement - whenever that may be...
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Charlie seems like a fine choice for me. He looks cool, he plays well, he knows JR for a long time, and there's no doubt he'll get along with the other guys as well. As for his ''lack of originality'' when it comes to songwriting, we won't know that until the new album comes out.
I think they have already chosen him. :smiley:
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I don't get why so many seems to think Charlie Z was chosen just because of what he wrote on Facebook. Yes, he kind of confirmed he was one of the seven drummers that auditioned, but there is no hint whatsoever at him actually being the one DT picked.
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I don't get why so many seems to think Charlie Z was chosen just because of what he wrote on Facebook. Yes, he kind of confirmed he was one of the seven drummers that auditioned, but there is no hint whatsoever at him actually being the one DT picked.
This, actually. But this is DTF, people read too much into everything.
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For everyone's info (and obviously), looks like DT have chosen there new drummer....should be any day now!
https://www.rockaaa.com/news/dream-theater-have-chosen-new-drummer-836
Hope its either Virgil or Mike Mangini, they are the only two drummers that will make it seem like DT never skipped a beat.
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Well,his "busy new year" comment was like "wink wink you know what i mean" to us.
We maybe wrong and read too much in that post but i think that between Mark Zonder's post and Zeleny's,it seems that the announcement will be real soon,any day now.
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For everyone's info (and obviously), looks like DT have chosen there new drummer....should be any day now!
https://www.rockaaa.com/news/dream-theater-have-chosen-new-drummer-836
Who is rockaaa.com, and why would I think that they know that DT have definitely chosen their new drummer?
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For everyone's info (and obviously), looks like DT have chosen there new drummer....should be any day now!
https://www.rockaaa.com/news/dream-theater-have-chosen-new-drummer-836
Who is rockaaa.com, and why would I think that they know that DT have definitely chosen their new drummer?
This exactly. There's nothing in that article that's new, they've just decided randomly that a replacement has been chosen, as far as I can tell.
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Besides, i highly doubt that the guy who has been chosen would be careless enough to start spreading the news over the internet BEFORE an official announcement. As stated before, I'm sure the guys have taken enough precautions so that such a thing wouldn't happen.
B.Lee
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I actually hope DT11 will be the only album with Zeleny, with MP coming back for DT12. I don't have extraordinary hopes for DT11.
What'cha gonna do, What'cha gonna do brother when Charlie Z runs wild on you? ;)
Why wouldn't you have high hopes? Just like in sports, a shake up can be a good thing.
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Besides, i highly doubt that the guy who has been chosen would be careless enough to start spreading the news over the internet BEFORE an official announcement. As stated before, I'm sure the guys have taken enough precautions so that such a thing wouldn't happen.
B.Lee
I agree Bert, doesn't seem appropriate.
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Maybe they agreed that a new drummer should give us a hint, and see if it goes noticed.
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...or they got someone who didn't make it to make it seem as if he did. :yeahright
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I'm not too excited about the possible Charlie Z choice. Like most of you, I looked him up on Facebook and added him as a friend. And the first thing I see is a profile photo of him wearing sunglasses on a leather couch like he's some kind of cool dude. Egh. Makes him look like a cocky guy who thinks his sh*t don't stink. Like a rockstar wannabe-type, similar to Sherinian in the mid 1990s. It's not what Dream Theater needs. I then checked out his videos, which were good. But image is just as important as playing. He doesn't feel like the right choice to me. Plus, kinda unprofessional to advertise on FB that you auditioned, no? No other drummers have done that as far as I can tell.
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"Did everyone see my DT videos? Everyone seems to really dig them. Going to be a busy New Year to keep things going! www.YouTube.com/DrumDocZ"
So he's basically saying that it won't be easy to sustain the interest in his videos in 2011.
I don't think he's hinting at being the new drummer for DT here - if anything, he's hinting at the opposite.
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I'm not too excited about the possible Charlie Z choice. Like most of you, I looked him up on Facebook and added him as a friend. And the first thing I see is a profile photo of him wearing sunglasses on a leather couch like he's some kind of cool dude. Egh. Makes him look like a cocky guy who thinks his sh*t don't stink. Like a rockstar wannabe-type, similar to Sherinian in the mid 1990s. It's not what Dream Theater needs. I then checked out his videos, which were good. But image is just as important as playing. He doesn't feel like the right choice to me. Plus, kinda unprofessional to advertise on FB that you auditioned, no? No other drummers have done that as far as I can tell.
I disagree; Sherinian's image may have been unusual for Dream Theater, but he made some great musical contributions to the band. Image plays a very small part.
And there is one thing I'd like to point out: regardless of whether or not the new drummer turns out to be a "hired gun", that is something that Sherinian was not. When Rudess said no back in 1994, Sherinian was hired as the band's new keyboardist. Rudess was their number one choice, but Sherinian was a perfectly acceptable #2, and they probably expected him to stay around for a long time. But when circumstances with Rudess changed (LTE, etc.), Sherinian ended up being replaced. You can't call him a hired gun, because the rest of the guys in Dream Theater would not have had any idea that those circumstances with Rudess would change down the line.
And actually come to think of it, unless the band explicitly knows that Portnoy will return in x number of years (which I'm pretty sure they don't), the new drummer shouldn't be seen as a hired gun, either.
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Really, if he's anything like Derek, I'll be very happy.
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I agree the term Hired Gun isn't really suitable, however if the mindset is "We'll get this guy, and if Portnoy ever decides to come back, then this guy will be fired" then that's not very far away from a hired gun.
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And there is one thing I'd like to point out: regardless of whether or not the new drummer turns out to be a "hired gun", that is something that Sherinian was not. When Rudess said no back in 1994, Sherinian was hired as the band's new keyboardist. Rudess was their number one choice, but Sherinian was a perfectly acceptable #2, and they probably expected him to stay around for a long time.
Actually, when Rudess said no, Sherinian was hired as a hired gun, because the tour was already arranged. He wasn't made an actual member of the band until later.
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And there is one thing I'd like to point out: regardless of whether or not the new drummer turns out to be a "hired gun", that is something that Sherinian was not. When Rudess said no back in 1994, Sherinian was hired as the band's new keyboardist. Rudess was their number one choice, but Sherinian was a perfectly acceptable #2, and they probably expected him to stay around for a long time.
Actually, when Rudess said no, Sherinian was hired as a hired gun, because the tour was already arranged. He wasn't made an actual member of the band until later.
Well okay, fine. I admit that I forgot about that. But the point is that he was an actual band member.
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Eventually.
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Marco Minnemann
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**EDIT: sorry , wrong thread***
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From Charlie Z's Facebook:
"Wow, I really appreciate all the love with the comments on the Dream Theater videos but everyone seems to be misinterpreting what I've been saying. I just got wind of the audition tunes and put them up myself on my YouTube for everyone to see. DT saw them but I was not asked down to audition live. I wish whoever gets the drum chair in DT the best of luck and have a good idea of who it is. I personally don't think I am a drummer who is big enough or popular enough to fill the shoes of a drumming legend like Mike Portnoy. But I really appreciate all the support and love everyone has been giving me. I definitely have a busy New Year to try to keep anyone who has checked me out on the Dream Theater scene into things I do and hope to continue to make music and videos people like. Thanks everyone!"
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Back to square one again, I guess.
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I am Dream Theaters new drummer.
I am also Batman, and Spartacus.
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I am Dream Theaters new drummer.
I am also Batman, and Spartacus.
EVERYTHING MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW.
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I am Dream Theaters new drummer.
I am also Batman, and Spartacus.
But who is the real Slim Shady? And then who was phone?
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(https://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/27807/original/1238798950754.jpg)
Duh.
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:lol
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I am Mike Portnoy.
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so its official: CZ is the biggest cock teasing opportunist ever. He's done well; a lot more people are aware of him and his works because of it. While I feel he would have been competent to step up as the drummer, I also feel relieved knowing that minnemann may still be the one :D
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From Charlie Z's Facebook:
"Wow, I really appreciate all the love with the comments on the Dream Theater videos but everyone seems to be misinterpreting what I've been saying. I just got wind of the audition tunes and put them up myself on my YouTube for everyone to see. DT saw them but I was not asked down to audition live. I wish whoever gets the drum chair in DT the best of luck and have a good idea of who it is. I personally don't think I am a drummer who is big enough or popular enough to fill the shoes of a drumming legend like Mike Portnoy. But I really appreciate all the support and love everyone has been giving me. I definitely have a busy New Year to try to keep anyone who has checked me out on the Dream Theater scene into things I do and hope to continue to make music and videos people like. Thanks everyone!"
THANK GOD
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It seems that at first we will know who didn't audition. It's like a game..
Mark Zonder out, Charlie Zeleny out.. Who's the next to post that he isn't a candidate?
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It seems that at first we will know who didn't audition. It's like a game..
Mark Zonder out, Charlie Zeleny out.. Who's the next to post that he isn't a candidate?
MP :biggrin:
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In a shocking development, I must hereby admit that I was not a candidate.
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Didnt Peter Wildoer pretty much say he didnt audition too?
Can the poll be updated with the remaining proposed candidates?
That Kevin Moore guy might still have a shot!
So we got Minneman, Donati, Lang, and Mangini as the final 4?
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Guys, I heard from a source VERY close to the band that Mike told them he wanted back in, and the guys said OK, but after reading comments on the websites they're not sure how to drop the news on the fans. None of them really want to right now, so they've agreed to go onto hiatus while they think up the perfect PR statement to explain everything with.
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Guys, I heard from a source VERY close to the band that Mike told them he wanted back in, and the guys said OK, but after reading comments on the websites they're not sure how to drop the news on the fans. None of them really want to right now, so they've agreed to go onto hiatus while they think up the perfect PR statement to explain everything with.
Fool me once, strike one. Fool me twice, strike...three. :neverusethis:
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Guys, I heard from a source VERY close to the band that Mike told them he wanted back in, and the guys said OK, but after reading comments on the websites they're not sure how to drop the news on the fans. None of them really want to right now, so they've agreed to go onto hiatus while they think up the perfect PR statement to explain everything with.
Are you serious Clark?
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Didnt Peter Wildoer pretty much say he didnt audition too?
Can the poll be updated with the remaining proposed candidates?
That Kevin Moore guy might still have a shot!
So we got Minneman, Donati, Lang, and Mangini as the final 4?
Why rule out John Macaluso? As far as I can remember, Steve Theater gave only 5 names out of 7 : who are the other 2? I had the feeling that Johnny Mac could be part of the 7 given JLB's opinion of him in one of the interviews he gave.
B.Lee
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Didnt Peter Wildoer pretty much say he didnt audition too?
Can the poll be updated with the remaining proposed candidates?
That Kevin Moore guy might still have a shot!
So we got Minneman, Donati, Lang, and Mangini as the final 4?
Why rule out John Macaluso? As far as I can remember, Steve Theater gave only 5 names out of 7 : who are the other 2? I had the feeling that Johnny Mac could be part of the 7 given JLB's opinion of him in one of the interviews he gave.
B.Lee
Sorry, forgot about Mac. Make that final 5. I would be stoked about ANY of these guys.
New poll needed.
Good times!
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Guys, I heard from a source VERY close to the band that Mike told them he wanted back in, and the guys said OK, but after reading comments on the websites they're not sure how to drop the news on the fans. None of them really want to right now, so they've agreed to go onto hiatus while they think up the perfect PR statement to explain everything with.
Nope.
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I'm now authorized to say that I am not new drummer for DT.
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I'm now authorized to say that I am not new drummer for DT.
Thanks, that narrows it down and clears a few things up! ;)
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Just so everyone knows, Mute Stupid of KrotchRaut did not audition.
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I made a topic about the new drummer a couple days ago. Too bad no-one believed me and it was locked.
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bosk1 made a post a while back about it being entirely possible that MP could leave Dream Theater. Too bad no-one believed him.
FTFY
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I can at least confirm to everyone it isn't Scott Rockenfield of Tateryche...err, I suppose it is "Queensryche."
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I hope Lars Ulrich didn't audition. It would be like "f*ck,F*ck,F***CK! Plus the double bass in ANTR sounds very stock...
Back on "topic" part of me believes, Perpetual Change. Most of me doesn't.
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I was actually considering auditioning, myself. I'm good friends with all of them. Unfortunately, I decided against it because 1) MP is a great friend of mine and 2) being the leader and lead singer of a four-man band, I couldn't just leave them, ya know? Especially since they've already had a frontman that walked out on them when things were good.
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I am glad to say that I have no idea who is the drummer and will will be the 2546 person to find out. I have forseen it.
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Guys, I heard from a source VERY close to the band that Mike told them he wanted back in, and the guys said OK, but after reading comments on the websites they're not sure how to drop the news on the fans. None of them really want to right now, so they've agreed to go onto hiatus while they think up the perfect PR statement to explain everything with.
LOL...definitely not
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From Charlie Z's Facebook:
"Wow, I really appreciate all the love with the comments on the Dream Theater videos but everyone seems to be misinterpreting what I've been saying. I just got wind of the audition tunes and put them up myself on my YouTube for everyone to see. DT saw them but I was not asked down to audition live. I wish whoever gets the drum chair in DT the best of luck and have a good idea of who it is. I personally don't think I am a drummer who is big enough or popular enough to fill the shoes of a drumming legend like Mike Portnoy. But I really appreciate all the support and love everyone has been giving me. I definitely have a busy New Year to try to keep anyone who has checked me out on the Dream Theater scene into things I do and hope to continue to make music and videos people like. Thanks everyone!"
If I read that right then, looking at his Youtube channel, the band wanted the drummers to audition on The Dance of Eternity, Metropolis, A Nightmare to Remember, and The Spirit Carries On."
Guys, I heard from a source VERY close to the band that Mike told them he wanted back in, and the guys said OK, but after reading comments on the websites they're not sure how to drop the news on the fans. None of them really want to right now, so they've agreed to go onto hiatus while they think up the perfect PR statement to explain everything with.
Not buying this. If it happened, I'd be kinda sad.
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I'm now relieved that I know Charlie z can't be the new drummer. Not good enough, as he admits. Whoever the guys choose, I believe will be the right one. Of course, I really want it to be Lang though. ;D
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If I read that right then, looking at his Youtube channel, the band wanted the drummers to audition on The Dance of Eternity, Metropolis, A Nightmare to Remember, and The Spirit Carries On."
He said three songs. Not Metropolis, that one was a bonus video (not the full track, either).
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Nightmare to Remember, and The Spirit Carries On."
Guys, I heard from a source VERY close to the band that Mike told them he wanted back in, and the guys said OK, but after reading comments on the websites they're not sure how to drop the news on the fans. None of them really want to right now, so they've agreed to go onto hiatus while they think up the perfect PR statement to explain everything with.
Not buying this. If it happened, I'd be kinda sad.
Then why would every DT member say at every public place that they can't reveal the new drummer yet. Yet. As in: they'll reveal the new drummer in a while.
That's what I think.
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Nightmare to Remember, and The Spirit Carries On."
Guys, I heard from a source VERY close to the band that Mike told them he wanted back in, and the guys said OK, but after reading comments on the websites they're not sure how to drop the news on the fans. None of them really want to right now, so they've agreed to go onto hiatus while they think up the perfect PR statement to explain everything with.
Not buying this. If it happened, I'd be kinda sad.
Then why would every DT member say at every public place that they can't reveal the new drummer yet. Yet. As in: they'll reveal the new drummer in a while.
That's what I think.
I posted about this somewhere else. MP's departure and the new drummer joining create a large amount of legal and financial issues. The new drummer might be in a current band he'll have to leave, creating more legal and financial issues. Also, RR probably wants the announcement of the drummer to be a legitimate media event, which means setting up interviews and photo shoots.
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By the way, I posted my list of things DT should do when figuring out the demo songs:
- Something ridiculously technical, aka TDOE.
- One of their longer more metal songs to test physical endurance and metal groove
- One of their proggier songs
- A song that's easy to just play, but hard to play well.
Considering the demo songs were TDOE (exact call), ANTR (IMO not as demanding as The Glass Prison, but fits the mold, especially with the blast beat part), and TSCO (a proggier song that's easy to just play, but has some sensitivity and dynamics to it), I'd say either DT had the right instincts, or they read my post and decided to follow my advice.
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Nightmare to Remember, and The Spirit Carries On."
Guys, I heard from a source VERY close to the band that Mike told them he wanted back in, and the guys said OK, but after reading comments on the websites they're not sure how to drop the news on the fans. None of them really want to right now, so they've agreed to go onto hiatus while they think up the perfect PR statement to explain everything with.
Not buying this. If it happened, I'd be kinda sad.
Then why would every DT member say at every public place that they can't reveal the new drummer yet. Yet. As in: they'll reveal the new drummer in a while.
That's what I think.
I posted about this somewhere else. MP's departure and the new drummer joining create a large amount of legal and financial issues. The new drummer might be in a current band he'll have to leave, creating more legal and financial issues. Also, RR probably wants the announcement of the drummer to be a legitimate media event, which means setting up interviews and photo shoots.
Yeah I understand, but that wouldn't be neccesary if MP would come back, like PC said.
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By the way, I posted my list of things DT should do when figuring out the demo songs:
- Something ridiculously technical, aka TDOE.
- One of their longer more metal songs to test physical endurance and metal groove
- One of their proggier songs
- A song that's easy to just play, but hard to play well.
Considering the demo songs were TDOE (exact call), ANTR (IMO not as demanding as The Glass Prison, but fits the mold, especially with the blast beat part), and TSCO (a proggier song that's easy to just play, but has some sensitivity and dynamics to it), I'd say either DT had the right instincts, or they read my post and decided to follow my advice.
I like the easy-to-play, but hard-to-play-well part, interesting. :tup
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Nightmare to Remember, and The Spirit Carries On."
Guys, I heard from a source VERY close to the band that Mike told them he wanted back in, and the guys said OK, but after reading comments on the websites they're not sure how to drop the news on the fans. None of them really want to right now, so they've agreed to go onto hiatus while they think up the perfect PR statement to explain everything with.
Not buying this. If it happened, I'd be kinda sad.
Then why would every DT member say at every public place that they can't reveal the new drummer yet. Yet. As in: they'll reveal the new drummer in a while.
That's what I think.
I posted about this somewhere else. MP's departure and the new drummer joining create a large amount of legal and financial issues. The new drummer might be in a current band he'll have to leave, creating more legal and financial issues. Also, RR probably wants the announcement of the drummer to be a legitimate media event, which means setting up interviews and photo shoots.
Yeah I understand, but that wouldn't be neccesary if MP would come back, like PC said.
Dudes, hate to break it to you, but MP's not coming back for this one. :\
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Charlie Z's post means that he is either the new drummer of Dream Theater, or is really taking advantage of knowing the auditioned songs. If it's him taking advantage of the situation for popularity, he may not even have even auditioned and just knew the songs... (based on his wording in the second post)
Seems like I'm agreeing with a lot of people on that fact that Charlie seems more like the 'hired gun' choice among the other names involved. A guy the band may push away if needed (like DS).
I'm honestly pretty relieved Charlie didn't even audition. He is just not on the same level as the other names that have been dropped...but...
Have we heard even one bonafide candidate yet? (besides stevetheater's list). Stevetheater seems well-regarded around here, and I'm sure a few of those names are correct, but I'm really thinking at least Wildoer was not among the drummers auditioning.
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I'm pretty sure PC was joking about the MP coming back thing. After all those joke posts why is that one being taken so seriously?
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I'm pretty sure PC was joking about the MP coming back thing. After all those joke posts why is that one being taken so seriously?
I got the impression PC's post was joking.
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PC is DEFINITELY joking guys..
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I made a topic about the new drummer a couple days ago. Too bad no-one believed me and it was locked.
Ya think? :lol
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All i can say is that if Virgil Donati did indeed try out, it probably would have been DT trying to keep up with him.
My bet is on virgil purely for the fact that he is the only drummer on the list that would make DT seem like it never missed a beat switching between two drummers!
For those that arent convinced, all i can say is....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n--nDc_mb1Y
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What about Vadrum ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_7LijwPGXA
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No. Vadrum rather seems to be a solo person than a band person. Besides, I doubt that he would fit in terms of style (drumming to the SMB theme is impressive, but coming up with something on his own? What do we know about that?).
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Am going to see Virgil at a clinic next Monday. Am going to try and ask him if he in fact auditioned and who else auditioned (that is if the opportunity arises). I think someone here said that he did but didn't get the part. Should be awesome seeing him play anyway :metal
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No. Vadrum rather seems to be a solo person than a band person. Besides, I doubt that he would fit in terms of style (drumming to the SMB theme is impressive, but coming up with something on his own? What do we know about that?).
Just go to his site and you will see he will release an album of classical pieces he plays drums on. The extract I saw I found very good.
B.Lee
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I said early on in the thread that Vadum (Andrea Vadrucci) would be perfect. He even covers DT. The fact that he can come up with crazy cool shit for cell phone ringtones makes me think that writing would not be an issue.
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Please God let it be Zombie Mike Portnoy... that would out rule Eddie from IM
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Acording to the forums on Virgil Donatis website it is not him.
https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=4
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Acording to the forums on Virgil Donatis website it is not him.
https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=4
good...Im not a big fan of his style..
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Acording to the forums on Virgil Donatis website it is not him.
https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=4
Interesting, thanks for the heads up.
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Acording to the forums on Virgil Donatis website it is not him.
https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=4
Good. As great as he is, I just don't see DT going anywhere other than overly complex generic prog if he joined.
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Acording to the forums on Virgil Donatis website it is not him.
https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=4
Good. As great as he is, I just don't see DT going anywhere other than overly complex generic prog if he joined.
I kinda doubt that. Donati would obviously influence their style, but probably not quite to that degree.
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Acording to the forums on Virgil Donatis website it is not him.
https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=4
Good. As great as he is, I just don't see DT going anywhere other than overly complex generic prog if he joined.
yep
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Acording to the forums on Virgil Donatis website it is not him.
https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=4
Good. As great as he is, I just don't see DT going anywhere other than overly complex generic prog if he joined.
What? Nothing generic about his playing or writing, quite the opposite.
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Hmm someone on that link says Virgil did audition but didnt get in. Reliable?? :-\
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So,from the information that we have now (reliable or unreliable) we have:
Peter Wildoer out,
Mark Zonder out,
Charlie Zeleny out,
Virgil Donati out.
So the list gets shorter by the day..
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I think Lang could do a great job, especially on the metal/technical side of things, I think on this video his drumming gives a lot of energy to an otherwise boring piece of music, he also does some crazy stuff with different samples on pedals half way through:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmWzI6wEDXY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
My only concern is if he could nail the softer parts of their music well, though he may be good in that area, I've just not seen him do that style yet.
Edit: I also hope if he gets in he always uses an acoustic kit rather than an electric on like in the above video.
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Well, if Donati, auditioned and didn't get the gig, I guess DT are aiming real high or are really focused in what they are looking for... So, with Donati out of the race, I would narrow it down to Minnemann, Mangini and Lang.
Like I've stated before, my money is still on Lang, I think he is the "whole package" Lot's of Drumming awards, touring experience, same age group, he's great and very charismatic with the fans and the media and would definitely raise the bar drumming wise in DT.
But at this point, if it's any of these 3, I would be extremely happy!
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So,from the information that we have now (reliable or unreliable) we have:
Peter Wildoer out,
Mark Zonder out,
Charlie Zeleny out,
Virgil Donati out.
So the list gets shorter by the day..
Where was it confirmed that Peter was out?
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In an interview about SI mentioned something along those lines..
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Acording to the forums on Virgil Donatis website it is not him.
https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=4
Where does it say that explicitly from him himself? I am not seeing it.
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Acording to the forums on Virgil Donatis website it is not him.
https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=4
Where does it say that explicitly from him himself? I am not seeing it.
It's just based on a fan comment:
"I asked Virgil 'Have many people asked you if you'll be playing in Dream Theater', and he said a lot have asked, he did audition but didn't get in - but they have apparently chosen someone, so it's only a matter of time before we know now!"
I wouldn't take it as gospel.
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I think Lang could do a great job, especially on the metal/technical side of things, I think on this video his drumming gives a lot of energy to an otherwise boring piece of music, he also does some crazy stuff with different samples on pedals half way through:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmWzI6wEDXY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
My only concern is if he could nail the softer parts of their music well, though he may be good in that area, I've just not seen him do that style yet.
Edit: I also hope if he gets in he always uses an acoustic kit rather than an electric on like in the above video.
Pierced, I agree with you, and yes I'm sure he would be able to do the soft stuff.
The only thing I don't agree with you on is the electronic kit. One thing I would really like to hear DT experiment with is electronic drums and drum triggered samples (in addition to JR's). I always thought MP simply wasn't as technical or savvy enough to use (additional) electronic drums as someone like say Neil Peart. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying go all electronic, but I think a mix is pretty cool.
On that note...dudes, has anyone seen this Lang video yet!?
https://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTc0OTQ2OTY0.html
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Acording to the forums on Virgil Donatis website it is not him.
https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=4
Where does it say that explicitly from him himself? I am not seeing it.
It's just based on a fan comment:
"I asked Virgil 'Have many people asked you if you'll be playing in Dream Theater', and he said a lot have asked, he did audition but didn't get in - but they have apparently chosen someone, so it's only a matter of time before we know now!"
I wouldn't take it as gospel.
OK, I read that part and thought maybe that was based on something more explicit or concrete.
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So,from the information that we have now (reliable or unreliable) we have:
Peter Wildoer out,
Mark Zonder out,
Charlie Zeleny out,
Virgil Donati out.
So the list gets shorter by the day..
Where was it confirmed that Peter was out?
Yeah, I don't remember hearing that either...
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So,from the information that we have now (reliable or unreliable) we have:
Peter Wildoer out,
Mark Zonder out,
Charlie Zeleny out,
Virgil Donati out.
So the list gets shorter by the day..
Where was it confirmed that Peter was out?
Yeah, I don't remember hearing that either...
I saw someone post a snippet from an interview with Peter and he said he would love to audition if they had asked him.
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The only thing I don't agree with you on is the electronic kit. One thing I would really like to hear DT experiment with is electronic drums and drum triggered samples (in addition to JR's). I always thought MP simply wasn't as technical or savvy enough to use (additional) electronic drums as someone like say Neil Peart. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying go all electronic, but I think a mix is pretty cool.
On second thought, a mix could be quite cool, I love Neil Peart's use of electric drums. :tup
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Guys it's obvious that Kevin Moore is going to win now. :\
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Oh, and if anyone worries about Lang not being a good enough showman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxPHykNDaWs&feature=related
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Voted Lang for no good reason.
It seems it's either going to be Thomas Lang, Macaluso with a bigger drum kit, or something we're not really expecting at all.
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Voted Lang for no good reason.
It seems it's either going to be Thomas Lang, Macaluso with a bigger drum kit, or something we're not really expecting at all.
My choices too. I would really love to have JM and his fantastic groovy parts.
B.Lee
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I don't know why, I keep thinking it's going to be Minneman.
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I'd be happy with Minneman too, his stuff is really impressive and fresh, he could bring a cool dynamic. I don't think he'll be chosen. If we are to believe the other mentioned guys are 'eliminated', then I think it'll probably be Lang as I already mentioned, or possibly Mangini. All three are awesome drummers though ;D
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The only thing I don't agree with you on is the electronic kit. One thing I would really like to hear DT experiment with is electronic drums and drum triggered samples (in addition to JR's). I always thought MP simply wasn't as technical or savvy enough to use (additional) electronic drums as someone like say Neil Peart. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying go all electronic, but I think a mix is pretty cool.
On second thought, a mix could be quite cool, I love Neil Peart's use of electric drums. :tup
Awesome! :tup
BTW: Hilarious screen name!
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I'd be happy with Minneman too, his stuff is really impressive and fresh, he could bring a cool dynamic. I don't think he'll be chosen. If we are to believe the other mentioned guys are 'eliminated', then I think it'll probably be Lang as I already mentioned, or possibly Mangini. All three are awesome drummers though ;D
Why only these three drummers? From what I remember, Stevetheater only mentioned 5 drummers. We don't know who the other two are. I still vote for John Macaluso. :metal
B.Lee
EDIT : according to a forumer on Yourmajesty.net who talked with him after one of his clinics in Geneva about a month ago, John Macaluso would be on the list. If that's true, I want him as DT's new drummer. Please!!!
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So,from the information that we have now (reliable or unreliable) we have:
Peter Wildoer out,
Mark Zonder out,
Charlie Zeleny out,
Virgil Donati out.
So the list gets shorter by the day..
Where was it confirmed that Peter was out?
Yeah, I don't remember hearing that either...
I saw someone post a snippet from an interview with Peter and he said he would love to audition if they had asked him.
That interview was almost certainly conducted before the auditions though, so doesn't really mean anything at all.
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And actually, I'm pretty sure Peter Wildoer was on SteveTheater's list.
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And actually, I'm pretty sure Peter Wildoer was on SteveTheater's list.
Yes, he was. I somehow have the feeling that DT will choose him as the new drummer. Still kind of hoping for Mangini, Lang or Minnemann, though.
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And actually, I'm pretty sure Peter Wildoer was on SteveTheater's list.
SteveTheater's List???
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Read the thread.
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Why only these three drummers? From what I remember, Stevetheater only mentioned 5 drummers. We don't know who the other two are. I still vote for John Macaluso. :metal
B.Lee
EDIT : according to a forumer on Yourmajesty.net who talked with him after one of his clinics in Geneva about a month ago, John Macaluso would be on the list. If that's true, I want him as DT's new drummer. Please!!!
I don't think they're the only possibilities, just who I think they're most likely to pick. I haven't seen enough of Macaluso, to youtube I go!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1thRCrBgoF0&feature=grec_index
f*cking wow
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John Macaluso might not be a candidate, he just posted this on his Facebook:
"Great News! I am moving to Europe to rock. I will be moving to Sweden in January. ARK is back working on the new album. I will also be available for gigs of all sorts, clinics, sessions, lessons and more. I will be traveling to all cities and countries in Europe to work. Please contact me if interested in working with me at johnnymacdrums@gmail.com or just send me a message on my facebook. youtube.com John Macaluso"
Kinda doubt DT's new drummer would move to Sweden...
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That would definitely imply it's not him.
The timing implies he did try out and recently got word it wasn't him.
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Yeah, I think JMa can be ruled out.
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It'd be funny if no one who auditioned was famous at all, just random unknowns and none of the people we're mentioning even auditioning.
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So our drummer list currently looks like this:
Thomas Lang
Marco Minnemann
Mike Mangini
Bobby Jarzombek
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Virgil Donati - Auditioned and was cut (https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showpost.php?p=77007&postcount=53)
John Macaluso - Likely auditioned and was cut (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17897.msg686893#msg686893)
Peter Wildoer - Likely did not audition (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17897.msg677999#msg677999)
Charlie Zeleny - Did not audition (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17897.msg682218#msg682218)
Mark Zonder - Did not audition (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17897.msg679650#msg679650)
Obviously I'm not saying this is 100% fact, this is just what it looks like right now.
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John Macaluso might not be a candidate, he just posted this on his Facebook:
"Great News! I am moving to Europe to rock. I will be moving to Sweden in January. ARK is back working on the new album. I will also be available for gigs of all sorts, clinics, sessions, lessons and more. I will be traveling to all cities and countries in Europe to work. Please contact me if interested in working with me at johnnymacdrums@gmail.com or just send me a message on my facebook. youtube.com John Macaluso"
Kinda doubt DT's new drummer would move to Sweden...
Darkane needs a new drummer ;)
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So our drummer list currently looks like this:
Thomas Lang
Marco Minnemann
Mike Mangini
Bobby Jarzombek
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Virgil Donati - Auditioned and was cut (https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showpost.php?p=77007&postcount=53)
John Macaluso - Likely auditioned and was cut (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17897.msg686893#msg686893)
Peter Wildoer - Likely did not audition (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17897.msg677999#msg677999)
Charlie Zeleny - Did not audition (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17897.msg682218#msg682218)
Mark Zonder - Did not audition (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17897.msg679650#msg679650)
Obviously I'm not saying this is 100% fact, this is just what it looks like right now.
Interesting! :tup
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Also, just curious.
Do we have any kind of...hints....that Lang, Minnemann, Mangini or Jarzombek auditioned? Or are we just guessing?
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Peter Wildoer - Likely did not audition (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17897.msg677999#msg677999)
How did we establish this again?
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John Macaluso might not be a candidate, he just posted this on his Facebook:
"Great News! I am moving to Europe to rock. I will be moving to Sweden in January. ARK is back working on the new album. I will also be available for gigs of all sorts, clinics, sessions, lessons and more. I will be traveling to all cities and countries in Europe to work. Please contact me if interested in working with me at johnnymacdrums@gmail.com or just send me a message on my facebook. youtube.com John Macaluso"
Kinda doubt DT's new drummer would move to Sweden...
Holy crap...I no longer care about the new DT drummer anymore..ARK are working on a new album!!!! HELL YEAH! Burn the sun is one of the most underrated prog metal albums out there.
On second thought, i wish they would hurry up an announce the new drummer, I was expecting the annoucement late Oct!!!
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Also, just curious.
Do we have any kind of...hints....that Lang, Minnemann, Mangini or Jarzombek auditioned? Or are we just guessing?
Just guessing, really, although SteveTheater did say that Lang, Minnemann, and Mangini auditioned. Mind you, he also said Peter Wildoer auditioned.
Peter Wildoer - Likely did not audition (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17897.msg677999#msg677999)
How did we establish this again?
In this interview (https://carlbegai.com/2010/11/15/peter-wildoer-thunder-and-the-beast/) (second-last paragraph), which was released well after auditions were held, Wildoer seems to suggest that he did not audition in stating that, were he asked, he would consider it. The exact timing of the interview is the obvious x-factor, though.
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There are a lot of people mailing me and contacting me through Facebook who want me to audition for Dream Theater, and I can totally see them thinking that since Im on James new CD. Thats not my decision to make. Im also extremely flattered they think I could pull it off. I would of course consider it if I was asked its the hottest drum stool in the metal business but its not an easy position to fill. I personally think it would be impossible to replace Portnoy. Hes a founding member, great drummer, huge personality, and loved by the Dream Theater fans. Whoever gets the Dream Theater gig will have to bring his own style and personality to the band, cross his fingers and hope that he will be accepted by the fans
most likely after quite some time.
Ive read some comments where people are saying that they dont want me as the new drummer because I would bring more screaming vocals to Dream Theater. That wouldnt be my decision. James is the vocalist of that band and I personally think they sound the best when its just his clear voice singing their songs.
You mean this?
Honestly, I don't see how there's anything suggestive about this. I'd say, going by this, it's highly possible that he DID audition, as he's skirting around the question and being very careful about his answers and so on. If he didn't, he would have just come out and said that instead of making odd statements like "[sic] It wouldn't be my decision to scream or not. If I were the drummer. And I'm not gonna say if I auditioned or not."
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I'm not too keen on PW's statement that he's flattered that people think he could pull it off. Sounds like he's not sure if he could...
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I'm not too keen on PW's statement that he's flattered that people think he could pull it off. Sounds like he's not sure if he could...
I think he's just being humble. I'm pretty sure he can pull it off.
B.Lee
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Also, just curious.
Do we have any kind of...hints....that Lang, Minnemann, Mangini or Jarzombek auditioned? Or are we just guessing?
I have it on good authority that Lang auditioned. I also know that Jarzombek didn't, at least not at the same time that the others did, because he was on tour in Europe with Halford during that time.
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Also, just curious.
Do we have any kind of...hints....that Lang, Minnemann, Mangini or Jarzombek auditioned? Or are we just guessing?
I have it on good authority that Lang auditioned. I also know that Jarzombek didn't, at least not at the same time that the others did, because he was on tour in Europe with Halford during that time.
Could it be thet the last 2 that were not mentioned did audition at a different time because of different occupations?
B.Lee
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John Macaluso might not be a candidate, he just posted this on his Facebook:
"Great News! I am moving to Europe to rock. I will be moving to Sweden in January. ARK is back working on the new album. I will also be available for gigs of all sorts, clinics, sessions, lessons and more. I will be traveling to all cities and countries in Europe to work. Please contact me if interested in working with me at johnnymacdrums@gmail.com or just send me a message on my facebook. youtube.com John Macaluso"
Kinda doubt DT's new drummer would move to Sweden...
Holy crap...I no longer care about the new DT drummer anymore..ARK are working on a new album!!!! HELL YEAH! Burn the sun is one of the most underrated prog metal albums out there.
On second thought, i wish they would hurry up an announce the new drummer, I was expecting the annoucement late Oct!!!
I don't think Jorn is returning though. Yes, Burn the Sun is by far one of the best prog albums of all time.
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Also, just curious.
Do we have any kind of...hints....that Lang, Minnemann, Mangini or Jarzombek auditioned? Or are we just guessing?
I have it on good authority that Lang auditioned. I also know that Jarzombek didn't, at least not at the same time that the others did, because he was on tour in Europe with Halford during that time.
Could it be thet the last 2 that were not mentioned did audition at a different time because of different occupations?
B.Lee
Anything is possible. However, the band made a big deal out of telling us about the auditions and when they would be, and haven't mentioned any other auditions. So I tend to think it will be someone that was there during that week, which would leave out Jarzombek. I don't know about any others who may or may not have been there at that time.
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If you read a little on Wildoers facebook page I think it's likely he auditioned. But I'm not shure.
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Hope it's not Lang. His left hand bothers me. ::)
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Hope it's not Lang. His left hand bothers me. ::)
That's probably something you should be reporting to the police, to be honest...Or at least Thomas' wife.
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Hope it's not Lang. His left hand bothers me. ::)
That's probably something you should be reporting to the police, to be honest...Or at least Thomas' wife.
Nah, she's okay with that.
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Hope it's not Lang. His left hand bothers me. ::)
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I wasn't serious, BTW. It's just that he holds his sticks in a funky way. (At least, that's what I saw in one of his videos)
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Traditional grip?
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Yeah.
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If you read a little on Wildoers facebook page I think it's likely he auditioned. But I'm not shure.
I've looked at his Facebook page a few times now and there's nothing that I notice that suggests he did or did not audition. What are you referring to?
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I've looked at his Facebook page a few times now and there's nothing that I notice that suggests he did or did not audition. What are you referring to?
You need to look closer!
Peter Wildoer
Wildoer
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NOW ALL I CAN SEE IS DILDO
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That's what she said after she booted you out the door.
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If you read a little on Wildoers facebook page I think it's likely he auditioned. But I'm not shure.
I've looked at his Facebook page a few times now and there's nothing that I notice that suggests he did or did not audition. What are you referring to?
Can you read swedish? Another guy asked how it had gone the same week the auditions where, and he answered, fine, see you on monday. also some other small hints. But as I said, nothing I can be sure off. I just have a feeling he did audition, and to those who don't think he can pull it off, check out more of his work. Has been my favorite drummer for years.
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Yep. Peter definately auditioned. Here's the face book conversation that metalpete mentioned
On October 22nd one of his friends says
(Rough translation) Good Luck Peter, hope it went well
Peter's response on the 22nd of October: Thanks Pelle. It has gone well. See you Monday!
Also, whenever someone on facebook asks aout Dream Theater on his page, he never answers, but he answers every other post.
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saw something the other day that suggested Mike Mangini got the gig, but then someone on last.fm posted about it being Thomas Lang.
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If you read a little on Wildoers facebook page I think it's likely he auditioned. But I'm not shure.
I've looked at his Facebook page a few times now and there's nothing that I notice that suggests he did or did not audition. What are you referring to?
Can you read swedish? Another guy asked how it had gone the same week the auditions where, and he answered, fine, see you on monday. also some other small hints. But as I said, nothing I can be sure off. I just have a feeling he did audition, and to those who don't think he can pull it off, check out more of his work. Has been my favorite drummer for years.
I really don't think Wildoer was chosen, especially with the work visa fiasco (probably not his fault)... If we could get the exact time of the Wildoer interview we could possibly count him out. Oct 18th is when the auditions started, and I'd think the candidates would need maybe 2 weeks to a month notice. The facebook comments are suspicious, but I don't think he got the gig.
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saw something the other day that suggested Mike Mangini got the gig, but then someone on last.fm posted about it being Thomas Lang.
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I REALLY hope Peter got the gig.
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If you read a little on Wildoers facebook page I think it's likely he auditioned. But I'm not shure.
I've looked at his Facebook page a few times now and there's nothing that I notice that suggests he did or did not audition. What are you referring to?
Can you read swedish? Another guy asked how it had gone the same week the auditions where, and he answered, fine, see you on monday. also some other small hints. But as I said, nothing I can be sure off. I just have a feeling he did audition, and to those who don't think he can pull it off, check out more of his work. Has been my favorite drummer for years.
Yep. Peter definately auditioned. Here's the face book conversation that metalpete mentioned
On October 22nd one of his friends says
(Rough translation) Good Luck Peter, hope it went well
Peter's response on the 22nd of October: Thanks Pelle. It has gone well. See you Monday!
Also, whenever someone on facebook asks aout Dream Theater on his page, he never answers, but he answers every other post.
Ah see, yeah, I can't read Swedish. In that case, updated list:
Thomas Lang
Marco Minnemann
Mike Mangini
Peter Wildoer
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Virgil Donati - Auditioned and was cut (https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showpost.php?p=77007&postcount=53)
John Macaluso - Likely auditioned and was cut (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17897.msg686893#msg686893)
Bobby Jarzombek - May not have auditioned (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17897.msg687081#msg687081)
Charlie Zeleny - Did not audition (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17897.msg682218#msg682218)
Mark Zonder - Did not audition (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=17897.msg679650#msg679650)
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So somebody in that thread from Virgil Donati's board claims that DT has chosen Aquiles Priester, formerly of Angra. Don't know if there's any truth to it, but it's an interesting name I haven't heard brought up here yet. I looked him up on youtube and this is the first thing I watched. Pretty impressive I think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ATHpb1f_g
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Just his name makes me like him.
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Priester is an outrageous drummer. He has insane chops, especially with his feet. If they can't get Lang, AP would be a great choice.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ATHpb1f_g
He has such precise drumming, and I think it's very tasteful and innovative. I'd be happy with him in the band.
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I wanna vote for that guy! Especially if he brings that kit!
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In this interview (https://carlbegai.com/2010/11/15/peter-wildoer-thunder-and-the-beast/) (second-last paragraph), which was released well after auditions were held, Wildoer seems to suggest that he did not audition in stating that, were he asked, he would consider it. The exact timing of the interview is the obvious x-factor, though.
When the interview was released is not necessarily when the interview was conducted. In this case, it seems very unlikely to be as clearly he wouldn't talk about the auditions speculatively after they had already happened.
I'm with PC, I don't think we can rule Wildoer out yet. The others I mostly agree with though.
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Everyone should check out the Angra Rebirth tour DVD, an amazing concert. Excellent drummer, shame he's not still with the band.
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Holy shit.....he has a cool name.
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that guy is awesome! never heard of him til now. cool stuff
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Very talented, and I'd kill a pakistani for his drumkit, but it didn't seem very original or interesting.
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This Priester guy seems pretty cool. Wouldn't mind if he was chosen.
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If you read a little on Wildoers facebook page I think it's likely he auditioned. But I'm not shure.
I've looked at his Facebook page a few times now and there's nothing that I notice that suggests he did or did not audition. What are you referring to?
Can you read swedish? Another guy asked how it had gone the same week the auditions where, and he answered, fine, see you on monday. also some other small hints. But as I said, nothing I can be sure off. I just have a feeling he did audition, and to those who don't think he can pull it off, check out more of his work. Has been my favorite drummer for years.
I really don't think Wildoer was chosen, especially with the work visa fiasco (probably not his fault)... If we could get the exact time of the Wildoer interview we could possibly count him out. Oct 18th is when the auditions started, and I'd think the candidates would need maybe 2 weeks to a month notice. The facebook comments are suspicious, but I don't think he got the gig.
Well, Darkane has toured the US many times without problems, so I don't see this workvisa problem as something else as a cover up for the cancelation of the tour. Maybe because someone has to practice some songs.
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how is it that angra/aquiles seem to be such unknowns in the DTF community!?
ive been perusing the forums in recent months and was irk'd at the perceived lack of an angra thread, especially with the new album n junk.
anywayz, priester would be cool by me.
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Aquiles Priester, formerly of Angra. Pretty impressive I think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ATHpb1f_g
Uh... great drum sound, I guess?
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I don't like the new guy that much. Surely he's fast, knows how to play exactly what he has in mind and I think he's perfect for any power metal band. But for Dream Theater? I don't think so. I highly doubt he has been chosen. I mean, why on earth him over Lang???
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Priester reminds me of a clone between MP and Shawn Drover.
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I don't like the new guy that much. Surely he's fast, knows how to play exactly what he has in mind and I think he's perfect for any power metal band. But for Dream Theater? I don't think so. I highly doubt he has been chosen. I mean, why on earth him over Lang???
I think you're mistaken. They haven't announced the new guy yet.
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I don't like the new guy that much. Surely he's fast, knows how to play exactly what he has in mind and I think he's perfect for any power metal band. But for Dream Theater? I don't think so. I highly doubt he has been chosen. I mean, why on earth him over Lang???
I think you're mistaken. They haven't announced the new guy yet.
Are my english that bad? Did I accidentally imply that they announced anyone? By the new guy I mean the new guy that is being rumoured.
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I don't like the new guy that much. Surely he's fast, knows how to play exactly what he has in mind and I think he's perfect for any power metal band. But for Dream Theater? I don't think so. I highly doubt he has been chosen. I mean, why on earth him over Lang???
I think you're mistaken. They haven't announced the new guy yet.
Are my english that bad? Did I accidentally imply that they announced anyone? By the new guy I mean the new guy that is being rumoured.
No, I misread your post. I didn't read it completely I missed the part where you said you didn't think he'd be chosen. Your English isn't that bad.
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Thankyou PC :biggrin:
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So somebody in that thread from Virgil Donati's board claims that DT has chosen Aquiles Priester, formerly of Angra. Don't know if there's any truth to it, but it's an interesting name I haven't heard brought up here yet. I looked him up on youtube and this is the first thing I watched. Pretty impressive I think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ATHpb1f_g
Here are the posts from Virgil's forum, made by a guy named Miltos:
Do you want a hint?
The ex-drummer of Angra (i don't remember his name at the moment) is taking the position. That's my info.
I don't like him to be honest!
(Another member clarifies that he is referring to Aquiles Priester.)
Yep, that's the name.
Hey Frank, you know i have my inside sources.
We'll see.
What i've heard is : they chose THIS GUY, who is really mediocre and surely can't fit in the shoes of DT, so that Mike can return easily in a couple of years. We'll be here!
(Posts 66 and 69 here: https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=5&pp=15 (https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=5&pp=15))
I dunno how much I believe the guy, but based on that video alone he seems like a good choice.
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So somebody in that thread from Virgil Donati's board claims that DT has chosen Aquiles Priester, formerly of Angra. Don't know if there's any truth to it, but it's an interesting name I haven't heard brought up here yet. I looked him up on youtube and this is the first thing I watched. Pretty impressive I think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ATHpb1f_g
Here are the posts from Virgil's forum, made by a guy named Miltos:
Do you want a hint?
The ex-drummer of Angra (i don't remember his name at the moment) is taking the position. That's my info.
I don't like him to be honest!
(Another member clarifies that he is referring to Aquiles Priester.)
Yep, that's the name.
Hey Frank, you know i have my inside sources.
We'll see.
What i've heard is : they chose THIS GUY, who is really mediocre and surely can't fit in the shoes of DT, so that Mike can return easily in a couple of years. We'll be here!
(Posts 66 and 69 here: https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=5&pp=15 (https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=5&pp=15))
I dunno how much I believe the guy, but based on that video alone he seems like a good choice.
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This last argument by miltos is ridiculous. They purposedly chose someone not good enough? I think that may make the whole source unreliable.
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Yeah, it does seem a bit off. And to be honest, watching and listening to some more of his videos, he doesn't really seem like an appropriate choice for Dream Theater. That first one that russellmania posted was good but the rest of them sound like generic power metal drumming-wise.
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Yeah, it does seem a bit off. And to be honest, watching and listening to some more of his videos, he doesn't really seem like an appropriate choice for Dream Theater. That first one that russellmania posted was good but the rest of them sound like generic power metal drumming-wise.
Seems bizarre to me as well. I think he'd be a good fit, though. Remember, the important thing is that he's able to play good with the band.
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He had a nice kit, but he seemed devoid of any charisma and had no flair whatsoever. He could probably play with the band, but he would be an emotionless robot.
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He had a nice kit, but he seemed devoid of any charisma and had no flair whatsoever. He could probably play with the band, but he would be an emotionless robot.
I don't think they're gonna be able to get both Mike's skill AND charisma.
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He checks all the boxes that DT need. But... really? If this is true, I am dissapointed, as I was hoping for a drummer who could bring a fresh sound and creativity to the band. Aquilles' drumming, to me, sounds like it could be replaced with drum kit from hell. Someone like minnemann or Virgil could have brought at least some finesse and charisma to the band. Aquilles is a good fit for the band though.
edit: also his native language is Portuguese I believe. Language barriers ftw
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He had a nice kit, but he seemed devoid of any charisma and had no flair whatsoever. He could probably play with the band, but he would be an emotionless robot.
I don't think they're gonna be able to get both Mike's skill AND charisma.
Most of the other candidates people have mentioned have had chops and charisma. This is the first one I've seen who looked like a Terminator.
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Not too fond of Aquiles Priester, to be honest. His playing is good, but it doesn't really grab me, unlike Minnemann's or Lang's.
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both PW and AP seem to be excellent Metal drummers, but is that really what we want from a DT drummer? there seemed little variety in the AP videos and just judging PW by the CJS album he seems very same=y and it's all a bit frantic.
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both PW and AP seem to be excellent Metal drummers, but is that really what we want from a DT drummer? there seemed little variety in the AP videos and just judging PW by the CJS album he seems very same=y and it's all a bit frantic.
That's basically the way I think about PW. He's a great drummer, no question, but there's very little variety in his playing; somehow I get the feeling that his major focus lies on his double-bass playing.
MP's drumming has almost always been about variety (although that element has been receding over the past few years imo), and I think that DT's new drummer should also rely on bringing an interesting groove to the music and not as much on wild, fast, but monotonous playing.
Looking at Marco Minnemann's samples video (and several videos of him playing in a band setting), I think he would be a great choice in that department. That guy definitely knows how to lay a solid groove as a foundation, and that's why I'd be very glad if he became DT's new drummer. Same with Mike Mangini. Thomas Lang plays differently, but he also relies very heavily on the groove and not the frantic playing that can be found so often in nowadays' metal music.
In conclusion, the choice is, of course, up to DT and DT only, but imo, choosing a drummer like PW would be likely to have the consequence of the drumming in DT becoming less interesting and not more.
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He checks all the boxes that DT need. But... really? If this is true, I am dissapointed, as I was hoping for a drummer who could bring a fresh sound and creativity to the band.
Same here. I think that picking him would lose DT a lot of the good will from the fans who embraced the lineup change because it was a chance to bring something fresh to the band.
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LOL. Guys, let's at least wait and see 1.) who the new guy is and 2.) how the new guy meshes with the band before we start prophesying it's the end of the world and stuff.
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He checks all the boxes that DT need. But... really? If this is true, I am dissapointed, as I was hoping for a drummer who could bring a fresh sound and creativity to the band.
Same here. I think that picking him would lose DT a lot of the good will from the fans who embraced the lineup change because it was a chance to bring something fresh to the band.
That will happen with some fans no matter who gets chosen.
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Yeah it should be pointed out that ALL information ascertained about drummers, auditions, who's in/out is word of mouth, with the exception of the odd drummer saying they are flattered yadayada however they did not get the position (and in some of these circumstances there is ambiguity). I also think that, myself included, we are getting carried away hoping that our ideal dream drummer for dream theater will eventuate.
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Also, I'm getting kinda weary of reading all the posts saying DT's new drummer is going to lead them to a new renaissance or something. Drummers just don't have that much of an effect on the music. The majority of the music is written by Petrucci and Rudess. Mike was deeply involved too, but not in terms of writing. Mike was more like a producer, giving ideas about how songs should be arranged.
You guys are gonna be really disappointed when the new album comes out, because it's going to share plenty of characteristics with the last couple.
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That will happen with some fans no matter who gets chosen.
Of course. When an important band member gets replaced, the initial reaction is bound to be negative. The question is, what does the new guy offer to avert at least some of that? How can the band get the fans excited about the new guy?
Here's what Jordan said (from the Prog article) about getting a substitute for a year or so who could play on the album and the tour:
"That was something that I thought of myself that maybe might work. But after I'd thought about it, it didn't fly very far before we thought that it wasn't cool. We would have a half-assed Dream Theater that is going to go out and nobody is going to take seriously because it's like some temporary thing with everybody waiting for Mike to come back into his role."
If they pick someone who can play Mike's stuff but doesn't seem particularly exciting otherwise, that'll seem like they're trying to make it easy for Mike to return in the foreseeable future and the result will be the same as what Jordan feared.
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I agree with you, Kyo.
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It is a no win situation really so all they can do is choose a monster drummer with a legendary reputation and take it from there. If it all goes wrong its either the new drummer's fault or MP's ;D!
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The thing is, guys, it's the chemistry with the band that matters most. What if DT did audition with a Mangini or Minneman, and the audition just wasn't very fun? What if DT audition with a Aquiles Priester or Peter Wildoer, and it's pure magic? That's what matters in the end. I'm sure DT will chose the guy they mesh with best, not just a good name. If Priester's the guy who they can really gel with, then they're all the better for picking him over another guy.
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The thing is, guys, it's the chemistry with the band that matters most. What if DT did audition with a Mangini or Minneman, and the audition just wasn't very fun? What if DT audition with a Aquiles Priester or Peter Wildoer, and it's pure magic? That's what matters in the end. I'm sure DT will chose the guy they mesh with best, not just a good name. If Priester's the guy who they can really gel with, then they're be the better for picking him over another guy.
Well said.
Also, it's hard to judge how well someone would work within DT based on their previous work. Priester is a good example, as obviously Angra have some proggy elements but they have more of a power metal feel as well so that is the style he mostly plays with them, but that doesn't mean he is a power metal drummer and that's that. I'm not going to judge anything until the album is out and we've heard and seen what the new guy contributes, whoever he is.
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Also, I'm getting kinda weary of reading all the posts saying DT's new drummer is going to lead them to a new renaissance or something. Drummers just don't have that much of an effect on the music. The majority of the music is written by Petrucci and Rudess. Mike was deeply involved too, but not in terms of writing. Mike was more like a producer, giving ideas about how songs should be arranged.
But in the role of "producer", MP appeared to have a lot of influence.
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IMO, If this Aquiles Priester is a chosen one, there will not be any great live performer in DT anymore, MP did this well but AP looks like very silent and deadpan person
(I don't say that JP or JR isn't great in live but they don't have much motion in stage)
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Also, I'm getting kinda weary of reading all the posts saying DT's new drummer is going to lead them to a new renaissance or something. Drummers just don't have that much of an effect on the music. The majority of the music is written by Petrucci and Rudess. Mike was deeply involved too, but not in terms of writing. Mike was more like a producer, giving ideas about how songs should be arranged.
But in the role of "producer", MP appeared to have a lot of influence.
Eh. At the end of the day, he wasn't the one coming up with the riffs.
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No, techinacally not. But there'll be a very different dynamic this time around. I'm not saying good or bad, but different.
I hear you though, Perp. Those that are expecting something dramatically stylistically different may be setting themselves up for some dissappointment. But it's exciting because with MP gone, there's an expectation, true or false, that JLB and JM may be more involved, and that can never be a bad thing.
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I know it 's driving you mad to find out who the drummer is. We will let you know when the time is right. Hold tight... Cheers, James.
its driving me mad!
I realized that there is no mention of Tony Royster Jr. Sure his connections with Jay-Z may be a little off putting, and probably too gospel for prog/metal, but he is one of the best drummers I've ever seen!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6eXDi1LyPM&feature=channel
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No, techinacally not. But there'll be a very different dynamic this time around. I'm not saying good or bad, but different.
I hear you though, Perp. Those that are expecting something dramatically stylistically different may be setting themselves up for some dissappointment. But it's exciting because with MP gone, there's an expectation, true or false, that JLB and JM may be more involved, and that can never be a bad thing.
Well said. And this exactly what I'm hoping for - more involvement from JLB and JM. That doesn't mean that JP and JR shouldn't be the creative driving forces anymore, it's just that there's a bigger chance of DT's music being a more collaborative effort in the future. It hasn't to be a 100% secure thing, but the perspective is certainly there.
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I know it 's driving you mad to find out who the drummer is. We will let you know when the time is right. Hold tight... Cheers, James.
its driving me mad!
I realized that there is no mention of Tony Royster Jr. Sure his connections with Jay-Z may be a little off putting, and probably too gospel for prog/metal, but he is one of the best drummers I've ever seen!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6eXDi1LyPM&feature=channel
Yeah, Royster is fantastic. He's definitely got the chops for DT, but I would be surprised if he were interested in the gig.
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IMO, If this Aquiles Priester is a chosen one, there will not be any great live performer in DT anymore, MP did this well but AP looks like very silent and deadpan person
(I don't say that JP or JR isn't great in live but they don't have much motion in stage)
JM and JP could surely improve their entertainment factor, but I don't think that there's anything more a keyboardist could (or should) do than what JR does. He's expressive, constantly tries out new gadgets and he even found a way to move around on stage. If you can show me someone who manages to be more entertaining to watch on keys, please do it.
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I don't think JMX improving his entertainment factor is really in the cards.
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I don't want to step on anyones toes here, but is it just me or is marco minnemanns drumming highly overrated? Like the guy used his symbols like 65-70% of the time. I don't know but to me AP seems to compliment the overall band more. I think macro's style is good for like a G3 type virtuoso thing.
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I don't want to step on anyones toes here, but is it just me or is marco minnemanns drumming highly overrated? Like the guy used his symbols like 65-70% of the time. I don't know but to me AP seems to compliment the overall band more. I think macro's style is good for like a G3 type virtuoso thing.
No, it is not overrated :)
AP would probably do a better job at being a surrogate MP, but Minnemanns style is way more diverse and tasteful. lol we haven't heard anything about Minnemann and DT yet. He probably didn't even audition :S
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Aquiles Preister....There are a number of reasons I dont think he was chosen or even auditioned....
a) This guy doesnt speak english very well and I think lives in South America and im sure the DT guys, as open as they are, would like to replace MP with someone who not only lives in the US but is American.
b) He is formerly of Angra, but left to focus on Hangar which I presume he is still touring with.
c) He uses his kick pedals WAY too much for DT. He doesnt know when not to play notes to serve a song although he is a great drummer. Not a lot of variety in his sound.
d) I dont see the link as to how DT would have known him to invite him to audition, especially over Terry Bozzio or Rod Morgenstein (Or Donati if he didnt make the cut).
e) He uses the most corniest and stupid masks on the front of his kit (and wears them) I have ever seen. This guy should probably be in Lordi or Gwar. Def not DT.
What do you think? These are just my opinions and I'd be happy to hear what the forums thinks too. Im a bit over people saying 'a friend told me, a source told me, Im in the industry etc etc', just to make themselves popular. I'd say 99% of inSider knowledge that I have found people present is usually WRONG!
Cheers all!!!
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we haven't heard anything about Minnemann and DT yet. He probably didn't even audition :S
The fact that everyone is laying low about the auditions would probably give more weight to Minnemann being a possibility as one of the seven.
b) He is formerly of Angra, but left to focus on Hangar which I presume he is still touring with.
c) He uses his kick pedals WAY too much for DT. He doesnt know when not to play notes to serve a song although he is a great drummer. Not a lot of variety in his sound.
d) I dont see the link as to how DT would have known him to invite him to audition, especially over Terry Bozzio or Rod Morgenstein (Or Donati if he didnt make the cut).
e) He uses the most corniest and stupid masks on the front of his kit (and wears them) I have ever seen. This guy should probably be in Lordi or Gwar. Def not DT.
Point b would be valid, but the rest is too speculative or opinionated to think he didn't audition. You are very biased.
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I agree with LTE777.
I am originally from south America and I would be very, very surprised if they chose AP. The language barrier would be a significant negative factor and I just don't think they would do it. Plus the guy looks like he wouldn't communicate much.
I'm pretty sure they will choose somebody with English as their native tongue. BJ seems a more appropriate choice. That and I seriously doubt they would try to deal with work visas. I don't even think they could actually have one issued for him.
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a) This guy doesnt speak english very well and I think lives in South America and im sure the DT guys, as open as they are, would like to replace MP with someone who not only lives in the US but is American.
The language thing is probably accurate, but I don't think not being American would be a dealbreaker. I mean, they've had a member for the past 19 years who doesn't live in the US.
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I'm pretty sure they will choose somebody with English as their native tongue. BJ seems a more appropriate choice. That and I seriously doubt they would try to deal with work visas. I don't even think they could actually have one issued for him.
Well, both TL and MaMi live in the US and have done so for at least several years, so I don't think that there would be a visa problem (to be fair, I'm not too familiar when it comes to that, so if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me).
As for your first point: I don't think that speaking English as their first language is necessarily required. As long as the drummer is fluent in English, it shouldn't be much of an issue imo.
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they've had a member for the past 19 years who doesn't live in the US.
Who?
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they've had a member for the past 19 years who doesn't live in the US.
Who?
Really?
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they've had a member for the past 19 years who doesn't live in the US.
Who?
Really?
;)
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Really.
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JLB
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Just ignore it. For some reason (tiredness, I am up really late and feel weird), I thought TL was talking about Myung, and was going to go along with the whole "Who is Myung?" But I know JLB lives in America's hat.
I messed up, and I admit it. What more do you want from me?
adami
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Well I obviously don't know AP's immigration status in the US but I can tell u the guy has
a. A tour scheduled through Feb 2011. Not that this would be deal breaker. But there are contractual obligations.
b. I take it he would have to enter the US on a visitor's visa. Likely a b1 or b2. With this he is at the mercy of the immigration officer at the airport who is te one that actually sets the length of his stay. This can be extended while in the US but it is sometimes hard to do.
c. If he were to apply for a work visa ( I doubt that could happen - maybe through RRR), these are issued only once a year. I believe around April or so.
The guy is obviously good. But I for one doubt DT would wanna deal with all this shit.
I am interested in knowing what is JLB's immigration status. But he's probably a resident.
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I don't want to step on anyones toes here, but is it just me or is marco minnemanns drumming highly overrated? Like the guy used his symbols like 65-70% of the time.
I always thought MP uses his cymbals more than other drummers in the genre. He seems to do alot of complex stuff there rather than hitting the toms very fast as other drummers do. I'm not a drummer but that's how I've always seen MP's style.
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All I can say is that there is nothing overrated about Marco Minneman.
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What I love is that all the speculations are based on a list of 5 guys given to us by Stevetheater. Eventually, the chosen one may not be on that list. Btw, to what extent can we trust the list? As it's not official, everything can be possible.
B.Lee
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Stevetheater definitely knows people. But yes, anything is possible.
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Stevetheater definitely knows people. But yes, anything is possible.
What I'm aiming at is not to question Steve's list, but up to now, we've only had 5 names (or 6 if the Macaluso thing is valid) : who is the last one / who are the last 2 guys?
B.Lee
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Stevetheater definitely knows people. But yes, anything is possible.
What I'm aiming at is not to question Steve's list, but up to now, we've only had 5 names (or 6 if the Macaluso thing is valid) : who is the last one / who are the last 2 guys?
B.Lee
*shrugs*
Hopefully there will be an announcement soon, and all speculation can cease.
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I wonder if the OP would consider taking down the poll? It's very long and I have to scroll past it everytime I want to read the thread..
Just saying...
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Hopefully there will be an announcement soon, and all speculation can cease.
Speculation will never cease here. As soon as they make the announcement, we'll start speculating about why this guy was chosen and why the others didn't make it.
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Hopefully there will be an announcement soon, and all speculation can cease.
Speculation will never cease here. As soon as they make the announcement, we'll start speculating about why this guy was chosen and why the others didn't make it.
Then others will speculate why the speculation doesn't stop.
BALANCED ALL THE WHILE
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I'd say it's about time to hear the good news. :metal
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I don't like speculations, i only like
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_F3QvvsjxkxI/Sg6HPk_wuRI/AAAAAAAAAW8/SBcorHUsC5c/s400/speculoos%2B2.jpg)
speculoos.
B.Lee
Note that the joke is not mine, I borrowed it from Yourmajesty.net. Still funny though.
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(https://marcominnemann.com/images/mm2.jpg)(https://marcominnemann.com/images/mm2.jpg)
(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/30247541/Dream+Theater++Majesty+Logo.jpg)
hmmmm...
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Also, I'm getting kinda weary of reading all the posts saying DT's new drummer is going to lead them to a new renaissance or something. Drummers just don't have that much of an effect on the music. The majority of the music is written by Petrucci and Rudess. Mike was deeply involved too, but not in terms of writing. Mike was more like a producer, giving ideas about how songs should be arranged.
But in the role of "producer", MP appeared to have a lot of influence.
Eh. At the end of the day, he wasn't the one coming up with the riffs.
We only see a snifter of the process, and of that snifter we know that he wrote the main contingent of A Rite of Passage, for one.
He's a musician. He writes music. And arranges it. Admittedly, none of us can tell a Mike Portnoy riff just by listening. That means they're probably fairly indistinguishable from the JP riffs. They've spent twenty-five years writing together, too, so they'll have synched quite well. But it's very hard to write like somebody else. No matter how much King Crimson influence Maynard James Keenan has, his songs still sound Maynarddy. And Mike Portnoy's music sounds Mike Portnoy-y.
It's hard to tell how it'll change. But you're removing one unique mind from an increasingly small hive. And a fairly pivotal one, too. It will sound noticeably different. It will still sound like Dream Theater. They won't become a jazz fusion band. But Petrucci's main collaborator will become Jordan Rudess. Mike Portnoy's idea of what belongs on the cutting room floor is different to what John Petrucci's might be. They won't transform, but the emphasis will shift to different places. Petrucci's quite melodically inclined, Rudess is more technological.
The sound absolutely will change. It won't be a revolution, and they'll be continuing along the same line, from where they left off, but it's actually impossible for a band without Mike Portnoy to sound identical to a band which has Mike Portnoy in it.
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Yes, he did go to Berklee after all. Probably took piano classes, music theory, eurhythmics , sightsinging, etc. And don't forget Portnoy was a producer. Arrangements might be very different now. Remember how MP always imagined and compared sections in DT's music to those of other bands? Like the Meshuggah section in TDoE and plenty of others? I imagine the new DT will sound like the lovechild of JP's and Rudess's solo albums.
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Absolutely. Both are recognisably - unmistakeably - Dream Theaterry, but you can hear the shift of balance.
'Course, both musicians will also have preconceptions as to what is "Dream Theater music" and what is "solo album" music. They'll approach the two things differently to an extent, and I imagine they'll probably try their hardest to cram in some of the MP heaviness - as, listening to their albums, JR's stuff tends to be more technical and synthetic and JP's seems to be more melodic, and don't flirt with the heavy metal quite as much as DT does, although JP in particular is definitely crawling with the metal influences - but it'll be Dream Theater music as shot through a JR and JP lens. Which will be somewhat different to DT music with the MP filter on - and as chief arranger and producer, much of MP's studio role seems to be as a filter.
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Yes, he did go to Berklee after all. Probably took piano classes, music theory, eurhythmics , sightsinging, etc.
Sweet dreams are made of this; who am I to disagree?
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TRAVEL THE WOOOOORLD AND THE SEVEN SEAS
EVERYBODY'S LOOKING FOR SOMETHING
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Dammit, I knew someone would do that! But seriously, it is a whole course sequence at music schools.
Also, our best view into each bandmembers' role is in the ToT writing sessions video.
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I am not sure if this has been brought up before, but Marco, I'm almost 100% sure auditioned.
He is currently on tour with some other people. The tour schedule says for the week of the auditions Marco will not be performing at those shows
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Charlie Z was online about an hour ago on facebook, I was going to message him but I had to leave the room. >:(
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Charlie Z was online about an hour ago on facebook, I was going to message him but I had to leave the room. >:(
Damn tacos.
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Damn McGriddles.
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From the Blabbermouth comments section at this location...
Yeah I know... not a reliable source (at all). The only thing I find interesting is the corroboration on AP audition, and Derek Roddy, which seems feasible at first glance anyways:
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=149975&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+blabbermouth+(Blabbermouth.net's+Daily+Headlines)
"here's the 7 who auditioned in alphabetical order: virgil donati, thomas lang, mike mangini, marco minnemann, aquiles priester, derek roddy, peter wildoer. portnoy's not staying in a7x they are auditioning his replacement now.
roadrunner was just sold to warner bros. -- dt only owes roadrunner one more product. dt filmed all the auditions for a dvd product. wouldn't it be super for dt to deliver up one dvd to roadrunner -- take portnoy back and then do what they want with their next album that will benefit from all this free press??? that's a lot of negotiating power in the sale of a record label for an act like dt that is pretty much the biggest thing roadrunner has (sure there's nickleback). dt said that they auditioned, they never said they hired one of the guys. ax7 is on the road till next week. look for no news until after 12/8. portnoy is on his way back to dt"
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Looks like bollocks, to me. The rumoured complete list is feasable, but when does anyone ever try and write an unfeasable rumour?
Think they owe RoadRunner another full length album, anyway. Chaos in Motion didn't count to the total, I don't believe, or else the three album deal would already have been fulfilled, so I very much doubt the audition videos will. Nor do I believe that they can wrestle the label into releasing the audition videos against their will. Nor that there is any motivation to escape their label whatsoever.
Load of crap.
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Hmm Derek Roddy does seem feasible:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Roddy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Roddy)
and a video:
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snyQlLGquHs)
He is very precise. Hmm. I wonder if they chose him for the auditions because they still want a huge metal influence in the band. If he was really chosen, that is.
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Hmm Derek Roddy does seem feasible:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Roddy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Roddy)
and a video:
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snyQlLGquHs)
He is very precise. Hmm. I wonder if they chose him for the auditions because they still want a huge metal influence in the band. If he was really chosen, that is.
Roddy is great, but he is not the guy for DT. He helped pioneer insanely fast blast beat tempos with Nile and Hate Eternal, and I don't see him leaving the death metal genre.
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Derek Roddy is amazing, although he is almost stricly a death metal drummer. I've seen him at several clinics now, and as creative and technically brilliant as he is, he is very blast beat/double-bass/speed orientated.
BTW saw Virgil at a clinic last night. He was freaking unbelievable! his coordination is out of this world! were talking about someone who can, with great competence, manage three high hats in separate poly rhythms (further broken down into their own subdivided patterns), along with the rest of the kit, and integrate it with control and groove. DT is MAD for not picking him (ok maybe not in terms of style and perhaps even "the right look"). And his power good lord ive never heard someone hit the drums so hard at such great speeds whilst being so complex! makes the others style of drumming on this "list" look like childs play! In saying that i think virgil would get very bored very quickly in DT lol. Too bad its not likely that he was picked (he said that he's going to commence a new Virgil album along with an orchestral thing (self composed) and some indian musical project). My impression is that it COULD have worked brilliantly (besides virgil most likely getting bored :P)...
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From the Blabbermouth comments section at this location...
Yeah I know... not a reliable source (at all). The only thing I find interesting is the corroboration on AP audition, and Derek Roddy, which seems feasible at first glance anyways:
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=149975&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+blabbermouth+(Blabbermouth.net's+Daily+Headlines)
"here's the 7 who auditioned in alphabetical order: virgil donati, thomas lang, mike mangini, marco minnemann, aquiles priester, derek roddy, peter wildoer. portnoy's not staying in a7x they are auditioning his replacement now.
roadrunner was just sold to warner bros. -- dt only owes roadrunner one more product. dt filmed all the auditions for a dvd product. wouldn't it be super for dt to deliver up one dvd to roadrunner -- take portnoy back and then do what they want with their next album that will benefit from all this free press??? that's a lot of negotiating power in the sale of a record label for an act like dt that is pretty much the biggest thing roadrunner has (sure there's nickleback). dt said that they auditioned, they never said they hired one of the guys. ax7 is on the road till next week. look for no news until after 12/8. portnoy is on his way back to dt"
Definite bullshit. For a start, RoadRunner have been owned by Warner since 2007. The guy is just spreading rumours.
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I just checked out a drum solo by Derek Roddy. While I must say it sounded very robotic and lacked creativity, their is no denying this guy has phenomenal talent.
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From the Blabbermouth comments section at this location...
Yeah I know... not a reliable source (at all). The only thing I find interesting is the corroboration on AP audition, and Derek Roddy, which seems feasible at first glance anyways:
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=149975&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+blabbermouth+(Blabbermouth.net's+Daily+Headlines)
"here's the 7 who auditioned in alphabetical order: virgil donati, thomas lang, mike mangini, marco minnemann, aquiles priester, derek roddy, peter wildoer. portnoy's not staying in a7x they are auditioning his replacement now.
roadrunner was just sold to warner bros. -- dt only owes roadrunner one more product. dt filmed all the auditions for a dvd product. wouldn't it be super for dt to deliver up one dvd to roadrunner -- take portnoy back and then do what they want with their next album that will benefit from all this free press??? that's a lot of negotiating power in the sale of a record label for an act like dt that is pretty much the biggest thing roadrunner has (sure there's nickleback). dt said that they auditioned, they never said they hired one of the guys. ax7 is on the road till next week. look for no news until after 12/8. portnoy is on his way back to dt"
Definite bullshit. For a start, RoadRunner have been owned by Warner since 2007. The guy is just spreading rumours.
True, however they just recently took 100% control. They purchased 73.5% in 2007. I still think this rumor is untrue.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=149263
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73.5% still gives them full control, so there's no real difference. :P
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Funny, I didn't know most of the auditioners. I checked out the most voted ones (except Moore and Zombie MP :lol ) and, well, they truly deserve to be the most voted. I think that both Thomas Lang and Charlie Z are great. Voted for Charlie since I got to see him playing DT stuff and he does it amazingly well.
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Funny, I didn't know most of the auditioners. I checked out the most voted ones (except Moore and Zombie MP :lol ) and, well, they truly deserve to be the most voted. I think that both Thomas Lang and Charlie Z are great. Voted for Charlie since I got to see him playing DT stuff and he does it amazingly well.
:facepalm:
Charlie Z is one of the only ones to come out and say he wasn't asked to audition. You may wanna retract your vote.
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Crap, that sucks... Well, I'll vote for Thomas Lang then :biggrin:
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Crap, that sucks... Well, I'll vote for Thomas Lang then :biggrin:
I'd cum drum sticks if they chose him.
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From the Blabbermouth comments section at this location...
Yeah I know... not a reliable source (at all). The only thing I find interesting is the corroboration on AP audition, and Derek Roddy, which seems feasible at first glance anyways:
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=149975&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+blabbermouth+(Blabbermouth.net's+Daily+Headlines)
"here's the 7 who auditioned in alphabetical order: virgil donati, thomas lang, mike mangini, marco minnemann, aquiles priester, derek roddy, peter wildoer. portnoy's not staying in a7x they are auditioning his replacement now.
roadrunner was just sold to warner bros. -- dt only owes roadrunner one more product. dt filmed all the auditions for a dvd product. wouldn't it be super for dt to deliver up one dvd to roadrunner -- take portnoy back and then do what they want with their next album that will benefit from all this free press??? that's a lot of negotiating power in the sale of a record label for an act like dt that is pretty much the biggest thing roadrunner has (sure there's nickleback). dt said that they auditioned, they never said they hired one of the guys. ax7 is on the road till next week. look for no news until after 12/8. portnoy is on his way back to dt"
Definite bullshit. For a start, RoadRunner have been owned by Warner since 2007. The guy is just spreading rumours.
True, however they just recently took 100% control. They purchased 73.5% in 2007. I still think this rumor is untrue.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=149263
Good point, and nice first post.
I think it's a BS theory because after seeing the 'drummer audition dvd' I wouldn't want MP back. It's like: here are these unbelievable, outrageous, 'world-class' drummers absolutely owning our stuff, but wait...hey everyone MP's rejoining!...sorry MP but *at least* four of the seven names (in this list) drum circles around you.
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Crap, that sucks... Well, I'll vote for Thomas Lang then :biggrin:
I'd cum drum sticks if they chose him.
He's got my vote as well! Versatile, technique-oriented, writes music, speaks English, and seems to have a great work attitude. Like someone posted earlier, it'll prolly come down to who meshes the best with the band.
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Looks like Peter Wildoer can be crossed off the list...check out his reply in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTZZ42Uu9aI
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Looks like Peter Wildoer can be crossed off the list...check out his reply in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTZZ42Uu9aI
You mean this?
"Ha ha, yeah Dream Theater would have been cool..."
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Looks like Peter Wildoer can be crossed off the list...check out his reply in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTZZ42Uu9aI
You mean this?
"Ha ha, yeah Dream Theater would have been cool..."
Yep!
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Looks like Peter Wildoer can be crossed off the list...check out his reply in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTZZ42Uu9aI
You mean this?
"Ha ha, yeah Dream Theater would have been cool..."
Yep!
Awesome! That's definitive enough for me at this point. PW can be crossed off of the list.
Great video, but PW is just not the same caliber as these other drummers IMHO.
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He could have said that to fool everyone and to keep a secret.
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He could have said that to fool everyone and to keep a secret.
Hmmm... seems pretty unlikely?... or maybe that's just what he wants us to think! :lol
I'm scratching him off the list.
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He could have said that to fool everyone and to keep a secret.
Hmmm... seems pretty unlikely?... or maybe that's just what he wants us to think! :lol
I'm scratching him off the list.
And I'm scratching my balls in relief.
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He could have said that to fool everyone and to keep a secret.
Hmmm... seems pretty unlikely?... or maybe that's just what he wants us to think! :lol
I'm scratching him off the list.
And I'm scratching my balls in relief.
Haha, me too.
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He could have said that to fool everyone and to keep a secret.
Yeah, but then Zeleny could have said he didn't audition to fool everyone, too. I'm tempted to doubt it though.
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And mike portnoy could have said he quit the band in order to foll everyone!
OMGWTFBBQ!?!?!?!?!
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And mike portnoy could have said he quit the band in order to foll everyone!
OMGWTFBBQ!?!?!?!?!
My God, how that has backfired if it were true!!!!!
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Looks like Peter Wildoer can be crossed off the list...check out his reply in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTZZ42Uu9aI
He seems like a very funny guy too, judging from his comment (The smiley face and the "Ha, ha"). If it's him, he would be a great fit with DT because of his apparent down-to-earth personnality and sense of humor. The chemistry is a big part of the deal so maybe it's him after all! :)
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Its obvious whomever is chosen will be extremely talented. I just hope he is humble, not cocky, and fully respect the Portnoy legacy and all he brought to the music of Dream Theater.
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Its obvious whomever is chosen will be extremely talented. I just hope he is humble, not cocky, and fully respect the Portnoy legacy and all he brought to the music of Dream Theater.
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I mean, why would he be humble? Do you think portnoy is? Portnoy is/was not c***y at times? And I'm sure he will respect the legacy. What I hope is that they don't go for a true "metal" drummer : MM, MM or TL would be good in my books.
B.Lee
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Its obvious whomever is chosen will be extremely talented. I just hope he is humble, not cocky, and fully respect the Portnoy legacy and all he brought to the music of Dream Theater.
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I mean, why would he be humble? Do you think portnoy is? Portnoy is/was not c***y at times? And I'm sure he will respect the legacy. What I hope is that they don't go for a true "metal" drummer : MM, MM or TL would be good in my books.
B.Lee
Well, maybe humble is a poor choice of word. I hope he is respectful of the shoes he is filling.
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Its obvious whomever is chosen will be extremely talented. I just hope he is humble, not cocky, and fully respect the Portnoy legacy and all he brought to the music of Dream Theater.
:tick2:
I mean, why would he be humble? Do you think portnoy is? Portnoy is/was not c***y at times? And I'm sure he will respect the legacy. What I hope is that they don't go for a true "metal" drummer : MM, MM or TL would be good in my books.
B.Lee
Well, maybe humble is a poor choice of word. I hope he is respectful of the shoes he is filling.
Well, I'm sure he will be. Don't wory about that.
B.Lee
EDIT : well, as day go by, I'm more and more under the impression that they will give the drummer's name just before entering the studio. Whoever that is, there will surely be a lot of criticism and maybe the guys want to keep all the positive vibes. Reading harsh comments a month or so before entering the studio may have a negative impact on theit work, whether conscious or not. But that's just my 2 cents of course.
B.Lee
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EDIT : well, as day go by, I'm more and more under the impression that they will give the drummer's name just before entering the studio. Whoever that is, there will surely be a lot of criticism and maybe the guys want to keep all the positive vibes. Reading harsh comments a month or so before entering the studio may have a negative impact on theit work, whether conscious or not. But that's just my 2 cents of course.
B.Lee
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That's interesting. I think it's more possible that this is the reason for delaying the announcement rather than it having to do with any legal issues to be resolved.
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EDIT : well, as day go by, I'm more and more under the impression that they will give the drummer's name just before entering the studio. Whoever that is, there will surely be a lot of criticism and maybe the guys want to keep all the positive vibes. Reading harsh comments a month or so before entering the studio may have a negative impact on theit work, whether conscious or not. But that's just my 2 cents of course.
B.Lee
I hope that's not their rationale. And to explain why, I'm inventing a new theory - The Wii Theory.
Remember when Nintendo first announced the name of the console? Almost everyone hated it. The people who were saying to be mature justifiably came off as illogical. It still makes no sense how Nintendo could choose a name with so many unfortunate double meanings that just sounds kinda goofy.
But, after a few months had passed and the Wii actually came out, all those feelings just kinda died. Nintendo worked hard to build up the brand of the brand of the console around the name and show how its offbeat yet familiar and universal name connected with the offbeat yet familiar and universal nature of the console.
The name's still ridiculous, but we don't think about that anymore. All the negativity was poured out into the internet long before Nintendo needed to actually market the console, and thus they were able to promote it on their terms and get people to appreciate it.
DT's new drummer could use the same kind of treatment. I would think it's in DT's best interest for them to get all of the immediate reaction to the new guy out of the way so they can enter the studios without being constantly bombarded by reactions to it on the internet.
At this point, when they go into the studio, people will be thinking more about the new drummer than getting psyched about the new material. Maybe the band wants this, although I wouldn't know why. It doesn't seem to me like you don't want to be working amidst the pressure of running PR on one of the most important decisions the band has ever made.
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Yeah, but I think the theory actually works in DT's favor in that scenario. Don't forget that if they go into the studio in January, we still aren't likely to see a release until mid-to-late 2011. That's plenty of time for the Wii phenomenon to run its course. And with them in the studio while all the discussion is happening, I think the result will be that they are too busy/occupied to notice and it will be easier to shrug off and disregard. And with the inevitable video snippets that will be released while they are in the studio, a lot of your average critics will either see that Drummer X does indeed have impressive chops and will shut up OR that Drummer X has impressive enough chops that they'll lose interest in bashing him and move on to the next reason to get on their soapbox. Sure, some of the more tenacios critics and the "MP-Fan-Forever!" types will fan the flames from now to eternity, but that would be the case no matter what. But by album release time months farther down the road, the dust will pretty much have settled.
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Yeah, but I think the theory actually works in DT's favor in that scenario. Don't forget that if they go into the studio in January, we still aren't likely to see a release until mid-to-late 2011. That's plenty of time for the Wii phenomenon to run its course. And with them in the studio while all the discussion is happening, I think the result will be that they are too busy/occupied to notice and it will be easier to shrug off and disregard. And with the inevitable video snippets that will be released while they are in the studio, a lot of your average critics will either see that Drummer X does indeed have impressive chops and will shut up OR that Drummer X has impressive enough chops that they'll lose interest in bashing him and move on to the next reason to get on their soapbox. Sure, some of the more tenacios critics and the "MP-Fan-Forever!" types will fan the flames from now to eternity, but that would be the case no matter what. But by album release time months farther down the road, the dust will pretty much have settled.
One big thing I'd say is the timing of the new drummer announcement has pretty much nothing to do with how the new album release will go down. The anticipation for it will be insane no matter what.
I don't think they'll be able to get to work in the studio without being on the pulse of the fanbase's reaction to the new drummer. JR's pretty deep into social media, JP's on his way there, and JLB's dipped his toes in the water.
The interesting angle you throw out there is DT using the studio sessions to make the drummer look good. I kinda like that one. But I think of it this way:
- It's in the band's best interest to do P/R for this decision. They should want to explain the rationale for their pick, make the fanbase comfortable with the drummer as a person, and make it indisputable that they think this guy will make their album rock.
- I wouldn't think it's best for them to do all this while writing music. I'm not DT and for all I know they'd enjoy that - but I'm not convinced.
- The Wii theory is in play. This will generate massive response that the band almost certainly won't be able to ignore while writing, if only for practical reasons.
- Therefore, unless DT wants to write music and do PR at the same time, it would be in their best interest to announce the new drummer ASAP so the reaction to him and die down.
I think where we disagree is the stress they'll feel from the fallout of the announcement and dealing with it. I think it's going to be rather substantial, but for all I know they're ready for anything the fan base can throw at them and already have a way of selling the new guy they're confident with.
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I dont think DT is using as much psychology as many of you think. The timing of the announcement probably has to do with finishing up contracts and schedules for next year. I doubt they are really thinking up creative and sensative ways to announce the drummer. The DT guys seem pretty straight forward and genuinely psyched about their next chapter. I find it hard to believe that they are "stressed" about anything really.
They may be handling all of the behind the scenes stuff and/or maybe even scheduling some photo sessions to go with their press release. Who knows really? But I doubt those guys are really struggling for "a way" to let everyone know. If anything, I would guess that they are chomping at the bit for everyone to know and hit the studio ready to roll.
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I dont think DT is using as much psychology as many of you think. The timing of the announcement probably has to do with finishing up contracts and schedules for next year. I doubt they are really thinking up creative and sensative ways to announce the drummer. The DT guys seem pretty straight forward and genuinely psyched about their next chapter. I find it hard to believe that they are "stressed" about anything really.
They may be handling all of the behind the scenes stuff and/or maybe even scheduling some photo sessions to go with their press release. Who knows really? But I doubt those guys are really struggling for "a way" to let everyone know. If anything, I would guess that they are chomping at the bit for everyone to know and hit the studio ready to roll.
Yeah I agree with this. DT is not trying to come up with some master plan. They probably have to wait on legal issues, and perhaps the go ahead from the record company. I'm sure RR has something to do with this whole process. They probably want to release an official release/media blitz all at the same time.
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Yeah, I think this is closer to the reality.
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they'll lose interest in bashing him and move on to the next reason to get on their soapbox. Sure, some of the more tenacios critics and the "MP-Fan-Forever!" types will fan the flames from now to eternity, but that would be the case no matter what. But by album release time months farther down the road, the dust will pretty much have settled.
This is the reason that someone like Charlie Z was unlikely to be chosen as the new drummer will need chops obviously, but more than that, he'll need balls!
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they'll lose interest in bashing him and move on to the next reason to get on their soapbox. Sure, some of the more tenacios critics and the "MP-Fan-Forever!" types will fan the flames from now to eternity, but that would be the case no matter what. But by album release time months farther down the road, the dust will pretty much have settled.
This is the reason that someone like Charlie Z was unlikely to be chosen as the new drummer will need chops obviously, but more than that, he'll need balls!
Who says he doesn't have balls?
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I could almost guarantee that the drummer will be revealed at 6:00 on Christmas morning.
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I could almost guarantee that the drummer will be revealed at 6:00 on Christmas morning.
:rollin
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I could almost guarantee that the drummer will be revealed at 6:00 on Christmas morning.
That would be amazing. The new drummer actually playing 6:00 in an introductional video would blow my mind.
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I could almost guarantee that the drummer will be revealed at 6:00 on Christmas morning.
This made me lol so hard...
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I could almost guarantee that the drummer will be revealed at 6:00 on Christmas morning.
That would be amazing. The new drummer actually playing 6:00 in an introductional video would blow my mind.
Yeah, just imagine Thomas Lang playing 6:00's intro :eek :lol
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I could almost guarantee that the drummer will be revealed at 6:00 on Christmas morning.
That would be amazing. The new drummer actually playing 6:00 in an introductional video would blow my mind.
Yeah, just imagine Thomas Lang playing 6:00's intro :eek :lol
He'd play the whole damn thing with his feet while giving the camera the middle finger with both hands.
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Like everyone else here, I have no info as to who the next drummer will be. However, I think it's going to be John Macaluso. Perfect fit for me in terms of age, he's a New Yorker, talented enough etc etc.
I know there was talk of him going to live in Sweden, but his last two Facebook posts have been:
Monday - "Headed to Europe for a little while to finally finish ARK's album." which contradicts his earlier post that he was moving to Sweden in January.
Today - "An amazing day in the life of Johnny Mac!"
Let the speculation continue . . .
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I could almost guarantee that the drummer will be revealed at 6:00 on Christmas morning.
Priceless :D
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However, I think it's going to be John Macaluso. Perfect fit for me in terms of age, he's a New Yorker, talented enough etc etc.
He is awesome! his style reminds me of a combination of Don famularo's + Portnoys drumming. And he does very well on a lesser extravagant kit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_24lWBHs7A
EDIT: and here he is on a kit thats not exactly a piece of shit lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw3NyDBvhbo&feature=related
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Like everyone else here, I have no info as to who the next drummer will be. However, I think it's going to be John Macaluso. Perfect fit for me in terms of age, he's a New Yorker, talented enough etc etc.
I know there was talk of him going to live in Sweden, but his last two Facebook posts have been:
Monday - "Headed to Europe for a little while to finally finish ARK's album." which contradicts his earlier post that he was moving to Sweden in January.
Today - "An amazing day in the life of Johnny Mac!"
Let the speculation continue . . .
If he joined the band, what would introduce two funny wrinkles:
- Three Johns in one musical group. I'm not sure any band is meant to take that.
- How do we abbreviate his name? We can't use JM, and I don't think its fair that JM has to become JMX all the time, he was there first. The only option I see is that Macaluso becomes JMac.
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Like everyone else here, I have no info as to who the next drummer will be. However, I think it's going to be John Macaluso. Perfect fit for me in terms of age, he's a New Yorker, talented enough etc etc.
I know there was talk of him going to live in Sweden, but his last two Facebook posts have been:
Monday - "Headed to Europe for a little while to finally finish ARK's album." which contradicts his earlier post that he was moving to Sweden in January.
Today - "An amazing day in the life of Johnny Mac!"
Let the speculation continue . . .
If he joined the band, what would introduce two funny wrinkles:
- Three Johns in one musical group. I'm not sure any band is meant to take that.
- How do we abbreviate his name? We can't use JM, and I don't think its fair that JM has to become JMX all the time, he was there first. The only option I see is that Macaluso becomes JMac.
Or it could be JMC for all I know. Just seen the freeform solo, what a groove this guy has! Wow!
B.Lee
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Like everyone else here, I have no info as to who the next drummer will be. However, I think it's going to be John Macaluso. Perfect fit for me in terms of age, he's a New Yorker, talented enough etc etc.
I know there was talk of him going to live in Sweden, but his last two Facebook posts have been:
Monday - "Headed to Europe for a little while to finally finish ARK's album." which contradicts his earlier post that he was moving to Sweden in January.
Today - "An amazing day in the life of Johnny Mac!"
Let the speculation continue . . .
If he joined the band, what would introduce two funny wrinkles:
- Three Johns in one musical group. I'm not sure any band is meant to take that.
- How do we abbreviate his name? We can't use JM, and I don't think its fair that JM has to become JMX all the time, he was there first. The only option I see is that Macaluso becomes JMac.
I don't think we'll need worry about that. We'll be calling the new drummer MM.
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The more I see of Johnny Mac the more I dig him.
Lang, Mangini, JMac,
WIN WIN WIN
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Like everyone else here, I have no info as to who the next drummer will be. However, I think it's going to be John Macaluso. Perfect fit for me in terms of age, he's a New Yorker, talented enough etc etc.
I know there was talk of him going to live in Sweden, but his last two Facebook posts have been:
Monday - "Headed to Europe for a little while to finally finish ARK's album." which contradicts his earlier post that he was moving to Sweden in January.
Today - "An amazing day in the life of Johnny Mac!"
Let the speculation continue . . .
If he joined the band, what would introduce two funny wrinkles:
- Three Johns in one musical group. I'm not sure any band is meant to take that.
- How do we abbreviate his name? We can't use JM, and I don't think its fair that JM has to become JMX all the time, he was there first. The only option I see is that Macaluso becomes JMac.
I don't think we'll need worry about that. We'll be calling the new drummer MM.
Wishful thinking?
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- Three Johns in one musical group. I'm not sure any band is meant to take that.
Petrucci: "So, we just realized that your first and last initials are the same as John Myung's."
John Mac: "Yes..."
Petrucci: "Well, that's a bit of a problem for internet forums to abbreviate your name, there will be confusion in every thread!"
John Mac: "Yes..."
Myung: "*ahem*"
Petrucci: "Do you have a middle name that you can use instead of 'John'?"
John Mac: "No..."
Petrucci: "How about you let yourself out, we'll let you know our decision...maybe."
John Mac: "..."
Myung: "......"
Rudess: ":neverusethis:"
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:lol
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I could almost guarantee that the drummer will be revealed at 6:00 on Christmas morning.
And here it is the new DT drummer!
(https://www.azshopping.it/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Un-Simpatico-Babbo-Natale-Batterista-278x300.jpg)
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At least it's not that monkey. That dude's cymbal work is awesome, but he creeps me the heck out.
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Does it plug in to JR's iPad?
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If John Macaluso gets in, I will have 2 degree connection to the band!! sweeeet. I voted for Macaluso when this thread went up because of age, he's from NY, and he toured with JLB for EoP.
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Well, since everyone likes to have fun posting theories about who the new drummer is and support it with totally trivial stuff found on the net (facebook, twitter etc.) I thought I'd join the fun!
And since my bet has always been for Thomas Lang...
here it goes... I think DT might announce the new drummer after Dec. 13, why? Well, Thomas Lang is having he's drumming boot camp Dec. 10-12, that way he would be available to do press. I don't think it would be a wise move to announce the new drummer in the same press release announcing that they are hitting the studio. These are two big events and they should be announced separate, so they can get double the exposure. Plus, they will surely get many requests for interviews and such, and they need to get those out of the way before entering the studio.
Now the trivial stuff for speculation...
If you are a long time Thomas Lang fan, you know that these Drumming Boot Camps are done regularly during the year... Well he posted on he's Twitter account a couple of days ago, that this upcoming Boot Camp in Seattle will be "IT" for some time... mmmm... recording, press, touring... not much time drumming boot camps!
Plus he's following John, Jordan and James on Twitter... if he's following them because he just a fan that would be cool, but then I guess he would also be following Mike which he is not.
Anyway... I was bored and wanted to add to the speculation!! :)
Truth is time is getting closer for DT to announce the new drummer (whoever it is) and I'm really looking forward to the new music! :metal
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Well, since everyone likes to have fun posting theories about who the new drummer is and support it with totally trivial stuff found on the net (facebook, twitter etc.) I thought I'd join the fun!
And since my bet has always been for Thomas Lang...
here it goes... I think DT might announce the new drummer after Dec. 13, why? Well, Thomas Lang is having he's drumming boot camp Dec. 10-12, that way he would be available to do press. I don't think it would be a wise move to announce the new drummer in the same press release announcing that they are hitting the studio. These are two big events and they should be announced separate, so they can get double the exposure. Plus, they will surely get many requests for interviews and such, and they need to get those out of the way before entering the studio.
Now the trivial stuff for speculation...
If you are a long time Thomas Lang fan, you know that these Drumming Boot Camps are done regularly during the year... Well he posted on he's Twitter account a couple of days ago, that this upcoming Boot Camp in Seattle will be "IT" for some time... mmmm... recording, press, touring... not much time drumming boot camps!
Plus he's following John, Jordan and James on Twitter... if he's following them because he just a fan that would be cool, but then I guess he would also be following Mike which he is not.
Anyway... I was bored and wanted to add to the speculation!! :)
Truth is time is getting closer for DT to announce the new drummer (whoever it is) and I'm really looking forward to the new music! :metal
Where does it say that it is "it" ? It does say it is "it" for 2010 though (which makes sense, since were in Dec 2010), and his facebook says the the next series of drum camps will be outside of North America.
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Maybe it's Lang because of the lack of hints and teasing on his twitter. And the guy is a regular poster about all sorts of crap.
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I heard it's Mangini, through a source that's also under RoadRunner. Mind you though, it's through like 3 channels. Might totally be wrong.
rumborak
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I don't even care who it is at this point, I just want to know. He seems as good a fit as any other.
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I think JMac would be great in some prog rock group like Transatlantic but he's not very metal guy, so he doesn't fit to DT very well.
But that's my opinion, I still give a vote for Mangini!
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Damn, of all the potential guys Mike Mangini would be my very last choice. I kinda hope you're wrong :P
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If John Macaluso gets in, I will have 2 degree connection to the band!! sweeeet. I voted for Macaluso when this thread went up because of age, he's from NY, and he toured with JLB for EoP.
I also voted for Johnny Mac. He maybe less impressive than some others that have been mentioned, but he is SO creative. I love his drumming.
B.Lee
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If it was Johnny M, we could say that DT got a Mac.
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Honestly, I don't think DT will allow any scope for this info to leak. So far, as far as I know, there have been two relatively, or supposedly, reliable sources stating who the drummer is, and they have pointed to different drummers (Aquilles and now Mangini). We will know when it is announced... it's painful not knowing who it is but thats just how it is. Now if the actual drummer comes out and states they were picked, or one of the DT guys tweets about it, then thats a different story.
Damn, of all the potential guys Mike Mangini would be my very last choice. I kinda hope you're wrong :P
It's funny that there is always a response saying that they hope that the apparent drummer is not in fact the drummer. On the Virgil message board, there is an almost identical post to this in relation to Aquilles Priester being the drummer. I'm really starting to understand how there are going to be heaps of dissapointed DT fans out there, even if Lang is picked.
I think Mangini could pull it off, although that symmetrical set up he has may be difficult to integrate the sound that Portnoy brought to the band. He is a freak of nature nonetheless.
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:o I hope it's true. Mangini is a damn beast on the drum, one of the most versatile and technical for sure. He's entertaining when he plays too :tup
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Mike's got the chops and the personality. I'm fine with the choice.
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... I LOVE YOUUUUUUUUU, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH I REALLY DOOOOOOO...
This can't be 100% sure. And I hope it's not Mangini, but if it is... I don't actually care, I just want the new DT album to be kickass.
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I don't care at all WHO it is! I'm sure he'll be a quality drummer! I just want to KNOW! :facepalm:
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To be honest, i am totally surprised that it didnt actually leak yet. Really, everything leaks these days.
7 drummers multiplied by their family members, friends, agents, band members, and the dude next door. That is an amazing amount of people actually keeping their mouths shut about it.
Even the guys who supposedly "didnt get it" are not really talking too.
Cheers to DT for really keeping the lid on this.
Now blow the lid of this F_cker and go world wide! Boats and ho's brothers!
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Well, assuming the guy who got it is single or hasn't told anyone, it may only be the guys in DT who know. Maybe they didn't even tell the guy who won yet.
I somehow suspect they'll announce ahead of time when the announcement will come. Then again, it would be nice just to know.
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It's amazing that someone who didn't get it hasn't even mentioned anything like, "yeah, I auditioned but wan't chosen...."
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Guys like Mangini would certainly have to give their current employers notice in some way. Secretaries and custodians hear everything. Most of those prospective candidates have professional schedules that they had set in advance I would bet. Changes to those kind of schedules often involve many people in one way or another.
Funny that no one has slipped.
Its funny you say Mangini might be single. If he has a girlfriend, you can almost bet 100% that the girlfriend will talk and tell some of their friends. Women have a tough time keeping any secret LOL!
Then again, stud drummers get tons of chicks, so I bet none are anchored LOL!
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I think JMac would be great in some prog rock group like Transatlantic but he's not very metal guy, so he doesn't fit to DT very well.
But that's my opinion, I still give a vote for Mangini!
I thought that before I listened to the music on his web page. He doesn't take as naturally to it as Portnoy does, but he can do it.
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At least it's not that monkey. That dude's cymbal work is awesome, but he creeps me the heck out.
:lol
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I would be happy with Mangini in DT.
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Mangini would be a great choice.
It's funny, he was my first choice when this all started, but the more I saw of Lang's playing, the more I wanted it to be him.
Honestly, either Lang or Mangini would be awesome.
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Mangini would be a great choice.
It's funny, he was my first choice when this all started, but the more I saw of Lang's playing, the more I wanted it to be him.
Honestly, either Lang or Mangini would be awesome.
I agree completely.
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Guys like Mangini would certainly have to give their current employers notice in some way. Secretaries and custodians hear everything. Most of those prospective candidates have professional schedules that they had set in advance I would bet. Changes to those kind of schedules often involve many people in one way or another.
Funny that no one has slipped.
Its funny you say Mangini might be single. If he has a girlfriend, you can almost bet 100% that the girlfriend will talk and tell some of their friends. Women have a tough time keeping any secret LOL!
Then again, stud drummers get tons of chicks, so I bet none are anchored LOL!
Mangini is married and has a couple of kids IIRC. I really doubt its Mangini, mainly because with a family, a steady income from Berkeley is much better (in the long run) than with DT, considering if the guys left the door open for MP to come back after x period of time.
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Not another Mike, please :rollin JK, MM is cool.
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Mangini's damn cool - stellar drummer, in fact - but he doesn't have the same force of personality as, say, Minnemann or Macaluso or Zeleny or especially Lang.
He'd not be my favourite choice, seems a little too obvious and safe. I'm quite looking forwards to going "Ooh, I wonder how THAT'll sound," whereas I think Mangini Theater would be a little too far along the lines of "business as usual." He's not a Derek or a Jordan, where you hear all those rock and roll patches, or the mad spidery technical stuff. If anything, Mangini's slightly more reserved than Portnoy.
That said! The fact that it'd be "business as usual" gives it a great deal of weight. No idea how reliable the sources are, and I'll look forward to Mangini Theater should they be correct. But not as much as I'd be anticipating Minnemann or Macaluso Theater. I like the idea of this mad, brave new world. I think Mangini's probably a bit too sensible a successor for my liking.
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Mangini is married and has a couple of kids IIRC. I really doubt its Mangini, mainly because with a family, a steady income from Berkeley is much better (in the long run) than with DT, considering if the guys left the door open for MP to come back after x period of time.
If by "leave the door open," you mean he has an open invitation to walk back in whether someone else is in the drummer role, they didn't leave the door open. If you mean Mike didn't burn any bridges and could theoretically come back if the spot is vacant and the stars otherwise align (which is the present situation), then that wouldn't affect Mangini in the slightest. And Berklee (not Berkeley last time I checked) would likely take him back in the future if he wanted to go back to teaching. Schools love it when their instructors go off and due things to further build their credentials and then come back later with an even more stacked resume because it brings more prestige to the school. I'm not convinced it is Mangini either, but the reasons you gave don't really make sense.
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Mangini is married and has a couple of kids IIRC. I really doubt its Mangini, mainly because with a family, a steady income from Berkeley is much better (in the long run) than with DT, considering if the guys left the door open for MP to come back after x period of time.
If by "leave the door open," you mean he has an open invitation to walk back in whether someone else is in the drummer role, they didn't leave the door open. If you mean Mike didn't burn any bridges and could theoretically come back if the spot is vacant and the stars otherwise align (which is the present situation), then that wouldn't affect Mangini in the slightest. And Berklee (not Berkeley last time I checked) would likely take him back in the future if he wanted to go back to teaching. Schools love it when their instructors go off and due things to further build their credentials and then come back later with an even more stacked resume because it brings more prestige to the school. I'm not convinced it is Mangini either, but the reasons you gave don't really make sense.
Sorry about misspelling Berklee...
What I was trying to explain is that financially, in the long run, Mangini is better teaching than touring. I'm pretty sure he gets medical insurance and other benefits. I think his kids are 2 and 4 IIRC. I also understand your point about teaching and going on and off for credentials and stuff...
Either way, Mangini is not my choice either. I bet is Thomas Lang or John Macaluso. I would be surprised if Mangini was chosen (although not shocked since Mangini has played with James). Lang, Mangini, or Macaluso would be a great addition to DT.
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It's not that it was a spelling mistake. It's that Berkeley and Berklee are two completely different schools on opposite sides of the country.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mangini
Another source pointing to Mangini.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mangini
Another source pointing to Mangini.
[Verification needed]. Let me explain how Wikipedia works...
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I so hope he gets chosen :lol amazing skills too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Iyd4uQ5WEo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Mangini would be pretty cool still.. but as someone mentioned, a bit of a safe bet. Though I suppose the band will have picked who they jammed best with, and if that guy was Mangini (or whoever else), then it's the right choice.
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Mangini would be great.
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Surprised I haven't heard much discussion/hype about jp's tweets yesterday regarding video recording @ Zoom.
I'm not from NY, but I was thinking he was referring to this place:
https://us.zoommedia.com/en-us/AboutZoom/Company.aspx
"Targeted guerilla media, sampling, promotions" eh? I could be wrong, not familiar with the area...but
Any speculation about what type of video may have been recorded?
(I'm thinking it's related to the new drummer)
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Surprised I haven't heard much discussion/hype about jp's tweets yesterday regarding video recording @ Zoom.
I'm not from NY, but I was thinking he was referring to this place:
https://us.zoommedia.com/en-us/AboutZoom/Company.aspx
"Targeted guerilla media, sampling, promotions" eh? I could be wrong, not familiar with the area...but
Any speculation about what type of video may have been recorded?
(I'm thinking it's related to the new drummer)
For all I know, it may be for his new solo album.
B.Lee
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Surprised I haven't heard much discussion/hype about jp's tweets yesterday regarding video recording @ Zoom.
I'm not from NY, but I was thinking he was referring to this place:
https://us.zoommedia.com/en-us/AboutZoom/Company.aspx
"Targeted guerilla media, sampling, promotions" eh? I could be wrong, not familiar with the area...but
Any speculation about what type of video may have been recorded?
(I'm thinking it's related to the new drummer)
For all I know, it may be for his new solo album.
B.Lee
True, True. I remember him mentioning his solo album is in the works.
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In a recent interview, JP said that he hasn't recorded anything from the solo album. I doubt he'd jump into a video this soon.
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It's not that it was a spelling mistake. It's that Berkeley and Berklee are two completely different schools on opposite sides of the country.
Dude, you just taught me something because I didn't know that! :lol
So which is the one in California?
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In a recent interview, JP said that he hasn't recorded anything from the solo album. I doubt he'd jump into a video this soon.
Hm, that's a good point. I don't think he'd do that then.
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In a recent interview, JP said that he hasn't recorded anything from the solo album. I doubt he'd jump into a video this soon.
Hm, that's a good point. I don't think he'd do that then.
OK. So, maybe it's for the new drummer then.
B.Lee
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It's not that it was a spelling mistake. It's that Berkeley and Berklee are two completely different schools on opposite sides of the country.
Dude, you just taught me something because I didn't know that! :lol
So which is the one in California?
U.C. Berkeley (aka "Cal.," "Berkeley") is in Berkeley, California (where Lonestar's restaurant is).
Berklee School of Music is in Boston. (there is another Berklee School of Music in the San Diego area as well; not sure if it is a different school or a satellite campus)
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Surprised I haven't heard much discussion/hype about jp's tweets yesterday regarding video recording @ Zoom.
I'm not from NY, but I was thinking he was referring to this place:
https://us.zoommedia.com/en-us/AboutZoom/Company.aspx
"Targeted guerilla media, sampling, promotions" eh? I could be wrong, not familiar with the area...but
Any speculation about what type of video may have been recorded?
(I'm thinking it's related to the new drummer)
Actually I'm afraid the Zoom JP is refering to is this https://www.samsontech.com/products/brandpage.cfm?brandID=4&appIDhighlight=18
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Surprised I haven't heard much discussion/hype about jp's tweets yesterday regarding video recording @ Zoom.
I'm not from NY, but I was thinking he was referring to this place:
https://us.zoommedia.com/en-us/AboutZoom/Company.aspx
"Targeted guerilla media, sampling, promotions" eh? I could be wrong, not familiar with the area...but
Any speculation about what type of video may have been recorded?
(I'm thinking it's related to the new drummer)
Actually I'm afraid the Zoom JP is refering to is this https://www.samsontech.com/products/brandpage.cfm?brandID=4&appIDhighlight=18
Oh, yeah, I had forgotten about this one. You may be right after all. Ah, speculations...
B.Lee
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Man, I feel dumb. Good call Leorimus!
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Does anyone else hope it's some unknown guy?
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Does anyone else hope it's some unknown guy?
To me all of these guys are unknown lol
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Does anyone else hope it's some unknown guy?
Pretty unlikely, since only 7 world class drummers were chosen to audition.
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Does anyone else hope it's some unknown guy?
Pretty unlikely, since only 7 world class drummers were chosen to audition.
yeah.
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Although, it would've been cool to see some of the reactions... :)
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And the new drummer is..............
JIM PETERSON! OF SOUTH CAROLINA!
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Is there any particular reason why Thomas Lang is the highest voted? I think I only picked him because he seemed the most skilled, and had added the guys on Twitter.
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Is there any particular reason why Thomas Lang is the highest voted? I think I only picked him because he seemed the most skilled, and had added the guys on Twitter.
Those two things, plus he made STEVETHEATER's list.
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Ah yeah. I still hope he gets it, but I've been second guessing it a bit. Seeing him advertising so much for st0rk on his twitter... I guess even if he was picked, he probably wouldn't drop the st0rk stuff immediately.
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Is there any particular reason why Thomas Lang is the highest voted? I think I only picked him because he seemed the most skilled, and had added the guys on Twitter.
That's kinda half the fun. Seeing how far wrong we were.
It's a mishmash of hopes and rumours and "that sounds about right" - with just a dash of statistical probability involved. Made the poll 'cause I thought it'd be nice to see how far right or wrong the board gets it.
Quite like how far Zeleny's slipped back.
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Lang definitely knows what it takes to be a band member. Hearing this kind of sensibility must be really appealing in an interview situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bodmgfVELeI
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Hell, if they go with Lang, they won't even have to have the crew lug a drum kit around;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhGgKaqhCIM&feature=related
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Lang definitely knows what it takes to be a band member. Hearing this kind of sensibility must be really appealing in an interview situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bodmgfVELeI
Wow. I had seen a lot of videos of him playing recently, but I have even more respect for him after listening to that one (and some of the others that are linked that also appear to have been from that session).
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Fun with Marco Minneman, Thomas Lang, and Johnny Rabb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcBiC174QlQ
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Fun with Marco Minneman, Thomas Lang, and Johnny Rabb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcBiC174QlQ
DT can have more than one drummer. IMHO.
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Fun with Marco Minneman, Thomas Lang, and Johnny Rabb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcBiC174QlQ
DT can have more than one drummer. IMHO.
That would be acceptable. Like the Allman Brothers Band.
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Lang definitely knows what it takes to be a band member. Hearing this kind of sensibility must be really appealing in an interview situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bodmgfVELeI
Wow. I had seen a lot of videos of him playing recently, but I have even more respect for him after listening to that one (and some of the others that are linked that also appear to have been from that session).
He is quite a skilled guy, and he knows what he's talking about, but I totally see where people say he comes off as kind of arrogant. "I can play paradiddles with my feet."
DT needs someone humble, just like the rest of them.
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He is quite a skilled guy, and he knows what he's talking about, but I totally see where people say he comes off as kind of arrogant. "I can play paradiddles with my feet."
Well, he IS a very talented drummer. I think he is just confident by mentionning it. A bit like Jordan if you ask me.
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He is quite a skilled guy, and he knows what he's talking about, but I totally see where people say he comes off as kind of arrogant. "I can play paradiddles with my feet."
Well, he IS a very talented drummer. I think he is just confident by mentionning it. A bit like Jordan if you ask me.
This. I don't think he seems too arrogant for DT at all. I got a really good impression of the guy through that 'interview', and I think he would fit right in. :)
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Honestly, I think he is allowed to be a little arrogant.
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Lang definitely knows what it takes to be a band member. Hearing this kind of sensibility must be really appealing in an interview situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bodmgfVELeI
Wow. I had seen a lot of videos of him playing recently, but I have even more respect for him after listening to that one (and some of the others that are linked that also appear to have been from that session).
He is quite a skilled guy, and he knows what he's talking about, but I totally see where people say he comes off as kind of arrogant. "I can play paradiddles with my feet."
DT needs someone humble, just like the rest of them.
Like Mike?
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Lang definitely knows what it takes to be a band member. Hearing this kind of sensibility must be really appealing in an interview situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bodmgfVELeI
Wow. I had seen a lot of videos of him playing recently, but I have even more respect for him after listening to that one (and some of the others that are linked that also appear to have been from that session).
He is quite a skilled guy, and he knows what he's talking about, but I totally see where people say he comes off as kind of arrogant. "I can play paradiddles with my feet."
DT needs someone humble, just like the rest of them.
Like Mike?
:lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sPawOr55J0&feature=channel
Yea.
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If Thomas Lang does get the job he better keep the electric kit at home...
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If Thomas Lang does get the job he better keep the electric kit at home...
I'd prefer a mostly acoustic set. But some electronic drums with it would be awesome.
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If Thomas Lang does get the job he better keep the electric kit at home...
I'd prefer a mostly acoustic set. But some electronic drums with it would be awesome.
Pretty much.
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If Thomas Lang does get the job he better keep the electric kit at home...
I'd prefer a mostly acoustic set. But some electronic drums with it would be awesome.
Yeah, for example the way Danny Carrey use his Mandala pads. That's pretty cool IMO...
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DT needs someone humble, just like the rest of them.
They had a humble drummer for like 25 years and see where things ended...
</sarcasm>
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Lang definitely knows what it takes to be a band member. Hearing this kind of sensibility must be really appealing in an interview situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bodmgfVELeI
Wow. I had seen a lot of videos of him playing recently, but I have even more respect for him after listening to that one (and some of the others that are linked that also appear to have been from that session).
He is quite a skilled guy, and he knows what he's talking about, but I totally see where people say he comes off as kind of arrogant. "I can play paradiddles with my feet."
DT needs someone humble, just like the rest of them.
I didn't think that comment was arrogant at all in the context of what he was saying. He was basically saying that it doesn't matter how good you are, the only way to succeed is to have the right connections.
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yeah I certainly didn't get an arrogant feeling from him in the interview. Seems very level headed actually.
I'm wanting this guy as drummer so much I need to take a step back in case it's not him. I sooo don't want to be disappointed when I find out who it is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sPawOr55J0&feature=channel
Yea.
Sweet tapdancing Joseph Smith.
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Falco..Live At Budokan!!
Der Komissar :lol
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Falco..Live At Budokan!!
Der Komissar :lol
German version I hope! :laugh:
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If Thomas Lang does get the job he better keep the electric kit at home...
Depends on what kind he uses, but in general yeah.
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I guess Lang wouldn't have a problem with Prater producing...lol
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I guess Lang wouldn't have a problem with Prater producing...lol
TRIGGARD SNARE JOKE! I GOT IT
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If Thomas Lang does get the job he better keep the electric kit at home...
I'd prefer a mostly acoustic set. But some electronic drums with it would be awesome.
Maybe, but I couldn't think of a scenario where it would be appropriate for Dream Theater. Either way, his comments about how they are the future of drumming rather terrify me, the day that electric drums replace acoustic sets is the day I go outside and hang myself.
I can't help but be rather unimpressed by his technique, I mean it's certainly great, but anything longer than 2 minutes of it and I've already clocked out.
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It's not that it was a spelling mistake. It's that Berkeley and Berklee are two completely different schools on opposite sides of the country.
Dude, you just taught me something because I didn't know that! :lol
So which is the one in California?
U.C. Berkeley (aka "Cal.," "Berkeley") is in Berkeley, California (where Lonestar's restaurant is).
Berklee School of Music is in Boston. (there is another Berklee School of Music in the San Diego area as well; not sure if it is a different school or a satellite campus)
:tup The more you know! Thanks, bösk1
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Does anyone else dig Joe Travers as a possibility? He was great with ZPZ on PN '09. Just watching him on DVD makes me kinda desire it.
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I can't help but be rather unimpressed by his technique, I mean it's certainly great, but anything longer than 2 minutes of it and I've already clocked out.
Yeah. But that's natural when watching drum solos, no matter how good they are :biggrin:
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, but anything longer than 2 minutes of it and I've already clocked out.
That's 2 minutes longer than I could stand a MP solo for.
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Sorry if this has been posted already, I looked for it and couldn't find anything:
In regards to Peter Wildoer, in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTZZ42Uu9aI, look at the comments section.
Wildoerfaren is Peter's account, by the way.
A fan posted this:
"I'm amazed by your co-ordination of all four limbs! great stuff! keep the videos coming! P.S Im hoping its you who dream theater have picked to replace mike portnoy, your my favourite modern drummer!"
then...
"Thanks a lot! Very glad you enjoy the clip and my playing. :-) Ha ha, yeah Dream Theater would have been cool...
Cheers,
Peter"
-Wildoerfaren, 5 days ago
Interpret that as you will, I thought it was interesting and wanted to share.
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Yeah, we've discussed this comment already. If it's him, he's likely to be ruled out.
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It's this dude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SaZO4Gmfdc&feature=related
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Pfft...
This guy would be much more impressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqM7bN3Kc7I
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPoPxVjbiM0
Or this guy (I know it's me, but I love playing keyboard drums, so I'll just show off)
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So Jordan Rudess is DT's new drummer, eh...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPoPxVjbiM0
Or this guy (I know it's me, but I love playing keyboard drums, so I'll just show off)
That was awesome.
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Thanks!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPoPxVjbiM0
Or this guy (I know it's me, but I love playing keyboard drums, so I'll just show off)
That was some really awesome stuff, man!
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Anyone else notice that Rudess & Marco Minnemann are performing together soon? Link:
https://www.prthatrocks.com/pressrel/rudessbandcrashersevent_pr.htm
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Another possible hint????
December 6, 2010 San Francisco, CA - Dream Theaters legendary keyboardist Jordan Rudess and drum great Marco Minnemann appear on the BandCrashers.com platform in a two-hour live online streaming performance on December 15, 2010, from Chicagos premier Plant 10 Studios, at 8 p.m. CST (9 p.m. EST and 6 p.m. PST). The Musical Mind Meld features special guest guitarist extraordinaire Daniel Jakubovic who will join Rudess/Minnemann in what is anticipated to be a no holds barred improvisational musical excursion through the minds of two of the greatest musicians in the world.
https://www.prthatrocks.com/pressrel/rudessbandcrashersevent_pr.htm
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Another possible hint????
December 6, 2010 San Francisco, CA - Dream Theaters legendary keyboardist Jordan Rudess and drum great Marco Minnemann appear on the BandCrashers.com platform in a two-hour live online streaming performance on December 15, 2010, from Chicagos premier Plant 10 Studios, at 8 p.m. CST (9 p.m. EST and 6 p.m. PST). The Musical Mind Meld features special guest guitarist extraordinaire Daniel Jakubovic who will join Rudess/Minnemann in what is anticipated to be a no holds barred improvisational musical excursion through the minds of two of the greatest musicians in the world.
https://www.prthatrocks.com/pressrel/rudessbandcrashersevent_pr.htm
Possible. But not likely of any meaning. JR has jammed with at least two of other possible drummers listed before as well.
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I was about to post this... but you guys got to it first.
Well, yes it could be a hint, although it would kind of loose momentum... to present the new drummer like this. Another scenario, could be that Minnemann was not chosen but it sparked this collaboration... so it could go either way. I personally think that if Marco was the one chosen, maybe this gig would not happen until after the announcement.
But hey, everyday we are getting closer to that announcement... I would narrow it to the last three finalists Lang, Minnemann and Mangini. But maybe DT could have another card up their sleeve and announce Rod Morgenstein!!!
:metal
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Well here is what I am thinking. I still think it's a swedish drummer. The Labrie tour was cancelled right after the auditions ( Auditions was around october 20., the tour got cancelled october 28). He has hinted on facebook that he auditioned ( maybe). He will not answer directly that he did not audition. And he writes on facebook that he is so busy that he doesn't have time to sleep.
But this is just what I think.
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Apparently Mike Mangini cancelled all Berklee classes and private ones from December on.
rumborak
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Apparently Mike Mangini cancelled all Berklee classes and private ones from December on.
rumborak
source? I cn't find anything on facebook or his webpage
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Nothing from an official source, since that would obviously be an implicit announcement of Mike as the drummer. Take it with a grain of salt, it's through friends' channels. But, given that Mike is from, and lives in Boston I somewhat trust this piece of news.
rumborak
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Nothing from an official source, since that would obviously be an implicit announcement of Mike as the drummer. Take it with a grain of salt, it's through friends' channels. But, given that Mike is from, and lives in Boston I somewhat trust this piece of news.
rumborak
Understood...Thanks!!!
I hope DT announces the new drummer soon.
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Nothing from an official source, since that would obviously be an implicit announcement of Mike as the drummer. Take it with a grain of salt, it's through friends' channels. But, given that Mike is from, and lives in Boston I somewhat trust this piece of news.
rumborak
Understood...Thanks!!!
I hope DT announces the new drummer soon.
They will, in approximately 50 hours.
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If he is the one, I bet he was chosen because he has the same first name as MP. :yeahright
Edit:They will, in approximately 14 hours.
Wha...?
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You heard it here first.
Lately I've been spewing off random "prophecies." It's a bad habit, I know, but one day I'll end up being right and every living thing will worship me! BWAHAHAHAHA.
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Is this a prophecy, or is this the real deal? You tease.
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Both. ;)
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ARE WE PROFITING FROM WAR?!
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Both. ;)
(https://www.shroomery.org/forums/files/08-20/078589792-noooo.jpg)
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If he is the one, I bet he was chosen because he has the same first name as MP. :yeahright
WTF?? That's a really lame reason! :( No wonder the DT guys are sell-outs now... :tdwn
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:|
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:lol
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:lol
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Apparently Mike Mangini cancelled all Berklee classes and private ones from December on.
rumborak
Wouldn't surprise me at all if true. I still think Mangini is the most likely candidate for several reasons
and some Berklee-related stuff would be a valid reason for them to delay the announcement so long.
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While I'd prefer Lang to Mangini, I'd be FINE with Mangini.
He obviously is a way better drummer than portnoy and can play anything portnoy could, but his natural style is different but enough that it would still mesh with DT.
However, he still seems like a jobber.
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He obviously is a way better drummer than portnoy
::)
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He obviously is a way better drummer than portnoy
::)
He is. Portnoy is an amazing drummer. But Mangini blows him away.
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While I'd prefer Lang to Mangini, I'd be FINE with Mangini.
He obviously is a way better drummer than portnoy and can play anything portnoy could, but his natural style is different but enough that it would still mesh with DT.
However, he still seems like a jobber.
By "jobber", you mean only a temporary drummer? If that's the case, with Mangini, I see where you're coming from. Given that I've lost interest in listening to MP DT, if he ever comes back, I'm done with it.
B.Lee
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If Mangini joined DT full time, that would be very cool. But the man (along with like every other person listed) has had a long career of playing with bands (some major ones) for brief periods of time and then leaving. I want DT to have a band member, not just a drummer.
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If Mangini joined DT full time, that would be very cool. But the man (along with like every other person listed) has had a long career of playing with bands (some major ones) for brief periods of time and then leaving. I want DT to have a band member, not just a drummer.
Actually I'd love for a pseudo-full-time member, so that this album/tour don't suck, but MP is able to come back later. You get the best of both worlds.
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If Mangini joined DT full time, that would be very cool. But the man (along with like every other person listed) has had a long career of playing with bands (some major ones) for brief periods of time and then leaving. I want DT to have a band member, not just a drummer.
Actually I'd love for a pseudo-full-time member, so that this album/tour don't suck, but MP is able to come back later. You get the best of both worlds.
Well personally I don't want MP to return. I was getting super bored with DT. Portnoy returning would just be lame, for me.
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If Mangini joined DT full time, that would be very cool. But the man (along with like every other person listed) has had a long career of playing with bands (some major ones) for brief periods of time and then leaving. I want DT to have a band member, not just a drummer.
Actually I'd love for a pseudo-full-time member, so that this album/tour don't suck, but MP is able to come back later. You get the best of both worlds.
Well personally I don't want MP to return. I was getting super bored with DT. Portnoy returning would just be lame, for me.
I agree to a certain extent. If not super bored with DT, I can see that a new permanent drummer may prove to be a breath of fresh air to the band, which they need IMO.
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If Mangini joined DT full time, that would be very cool. But the man (along with like every other person listed) has had a long career of playing with bands (some major ones) for brief periods of time and then leaving. I want DT to have a band member, not just a drummer.
Actually I'd love for a pseudo-full-time member, so that this album/tour don't suck, but MP is able to come back later. You get the best of both worlds.
Well personally I don't want MP to return. I was getting super bored with DT. Portnoy returning would just be lame, for me.
Agreed. If MP ever returns, I'm done with listening to DT.
B.Lee
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If Mangini joined DT full time, that would be very cool. But the man (along with like every other person listed) has had a long career of playing with bands (some major ones) for brief periods of time and then leaving. I want DT to have a band member, not just a drummer.
Actually I'd love for a pseudo-full-time member, so that this album/tour don't suck, but MP is able to come back later. You get the best of both worlds.
How would that be the best of both worlds?
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Agreed. If MP ever returns, I'm done with listening to DT.
B.Lee
While I wouldn't be done with DT if MP returned, I would definitely be very disappointed - also since JP has stated that they are looking for a permanent replacement instead of a temporary solution until MP returns.
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For me it would be a backwards step for MP to return. It wouldn't stop me being a fan and as I've always loved MP Dt I can't see it wouldn't work. And he did ban me from his forum for daring to question his decision and I have a temper and a long memory too. I've just been introduced to these awesome drummers and I'm interested to hear what it does to DT.
I would be ecstatic if it is Lang or Minnemann, both are insane.
I would be happy with Mangini (and voted for him in this poll as I dreamt it was him) or donati. Both are journeymen though but I guess that applies to Lang too.
I would be disappointed with Wildoer and Priester (unless they both have more than the Metal-only chops I've seen so far).
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Jp said they were looking for a permanent replacement and I believe him. He's not Eddie Van Halen, he doesn't just say stuff for pr purposes. As far as I can remember he has always been honest with us.
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If Mangini joined DT full time, that would be very cool. But the man (along with like every other person listed) has had a long career of playing with bands (some major ones) for brief periods of time and then leaving. I want DT to have a band member, not just a drummer.
Actually I'd love for a pseudo-full-time member, so that this album/tour don't suck, but MP is able to come back later. You get the best of both worlds.
How would that be the best of both worlds?
JR touched on this in the Classic Rock interview. The reason they won't go for a session drummer is because they feel it would be half-assed, and no one would really take DT seriously until MP returned. By choosing a permanent drummer, they don't suffer from that as a band.
So, if they choose a "permanent" drummer like Mike Mangini, then "let him go" once MP wants to come back, DT doesn't get a bad name and no one is unhappy.
But that's just my wishful thinking.
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If Mangini joined DT full time, that would be very cool. But the man (along with like every other person listed) has had a long career of playing with bands (some major ones) for brief periods of time and then leaving. I want DT to have a band member, not just a drummer.
Actually I'd love for a pseudo-full-time member, so that this album/tour don't suck, but MP is able to come back later. You get the best of both worlds.
Well personally I don't want MP to return. I was getting super bored with DT. Portnoy returning would just be lame, for me.
Agreed. If MP ever returns, I'm done with listening to DT.
B.Lee
I would love MP to return. Although, I know a lot of people are excited to hear DT with a different drummer.
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Will find out if BrotherH is correct soon enough today, otherwise he is expelled from the forum. ;)
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2pm EST today...we'll see. :corn
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Hmmm 7PM GMT....we will see Brother or we will curse you to hell for all eternity ;)
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I'll be sure to curse you all right back. :)
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I have one theory with the online thing rudess is going to do with Minnemann.
I think He is the chosen one for DT and they are doing this concert with Rudess so "fans" can see how he plays, his musicianship and how he works with rudess.
After the concert.. they announce he is the one, and then Fans are going to be OK with it.
If he is not the one.. Fans are going to complain that Minnemann was a better match because of the concert with Rudess, etc.
I guess this is the best form to show fans who their new drummer is without getting the "no one can replace MP" bull..
note: altho i might be completely wrong with this theory if they announce it today.
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Minnemann will be with Rudess,not Mangini.
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note: altho i might be completely wrong with this theory if they announce it today.
No, the fact that your theory is wrong stems from a bunch of other reasons that have nothing to do with whether or not they announce it today.
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I guess I was in the "sky is falling" mode right after MP left, but since then I have been really excited watching all the cool vids that many of you have posted of other drummers.
I do believe that the new guy will be as permanent as anyone really can be, in that no one can ever really be sure that the guy they pick will want to stay or if DT wants to keep the guy after a while.
If the new guy quits or simply doesnt cut it one way or the other, I am sure that DT will keep their options open. Maybe DT wont want MP back if they have moved on completely.
Simply put. Anything is possible.
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I guess I was in the "sky is falling" mode right after MP left...
Interesting that you bring something like that up. Honestly, I think a lot of people were in that mode. AND, I think it is a bit naive to not still be somewhat in that mode. It would be dumb to say DT were successful solely because of Mike's efforts. But Mike's efforts were in fact a huge factor in DT's success as a band. When the announcement was made that he was leaving, it was uncertain whether the band could, would, or even had the desire to do a lot of the things it will take to really keep them going on any serious scale. They are saying and appear to be doing a lot of the right things since then. But here's the thing: They haven't yet written and recorded the album, or gone on the tour, or done a lot of the other things they will need to do to keep the band successful. So bottom line is, we still don't really know whether they can truly be successful without Mike. I am optimistic given everything that has been coming from the DT camp recently. But we really, truly don't know how things will shake up, and until we hear the new album and see the new tour cycle, we really won't have enough information to know what will happen with the band. Cautious optimism is good, but optimism should remain cautious because nobody, not even the members of DT, really know what is going to happen with the band during this next cycle.
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Well said, Bosk....and that is what makes this really exciting. We are truly in unchartered territory.
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Minnemann will be with Rudess,not Mangini.
Thanks man!! corrected now! To many names mingling in my mind!
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If Mangini joined DT full time, that would be very cool. But the man (along with like every other person listed) has had a long career of playing with bands (some major ones) for brief periods of time and then leaving. I want DT to have a band member, not just a drummer.
Actually I'd love for a pseudo-full-time member, so that this album/tour don't suck, but MP is able to come back later. You get the best of both worlds.
How would that be the best of both worlds?
JR touched on this in the Classic Rock interview. The reason they won't go for a session drummer is because they feel it would be half-assed, and no one would really take DT seriously until MP returned. By choosing a permanent drummer, they don't suffer from that as a band.
So, if they choose a "permanent" drummer like Mike Mangini, then "let him go" once MP wants to come back, DT doesn't get a bad name and no one is unhappy.
That scenario is the exact same one as the one you just described with the session drummer. The use of "quotation marks" around words like "permanent" don't help you either.
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note: altho i might be completely wrong with this theory if they announce it today.
No, the fact that your theory is wrong stems from a bunch of other reasons that have nothing to do with whether or not they announce it today.
Well i didn't said there was only one reason why it could be wrong ;). just said that if they announce it today then my theory is wrong.. if they do it later but it's not Minnemann then its wrong too.. and even if they do it after the concert and its minnemann indeed, would not mean i was right..
what i'm saying... it's just a possibility.
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Minneman or Lang would be great. I would be kinda disappointed if it's not any of these two. And I don't know, is any of these two a singer?
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From MM's official page:https://www.mikemangini.com/1mikemanginipage/biospage.htm (https://www.mikemangini.com/1mikemanginipage/biospage.htm):
HAS PERFORMED OR RECORDED WITH:
Skunk Baxter (Steely Dan,) Brad Delp/Barry Goudreau/Fran Sheehan (Boston,) Steven Tyler (Aerosmith,) Darrel (Run DMC,) James Montgomery, Charlie Farren, Johnny A., Nuno Bettencourt/Pat Badger/Gary Cherone (Extreme whole band, as well as, separately,) Patrick Benti, Steve Vai, Mike Keneally, Philip Bynoe, Steve Perry (Journey,) Jane Pitrelli, Waltham Percussion Ensemble Alumni, Annihilator, Dream Theater (whole band,) James LaBrie (solo,) Brian Bellar, Matt Guillory, Marco Sfogli, Eastman School Orchestra, Joel Thome, Godsmack, Dale Bozzio, Steve Ferlazzo, Brad Miller, two dozen Sanctum Sound recording artists, a lot of cover bands and do
When has he played with DT?
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Minneman or Lang would be great. I would be kinda disappointed if it's not any of these two. And I don't know, is any of these two a singer?
I think Lang might. Not sure.
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Minneman or Lang would be great. I would be kinda disappointed if it's not any of these two. And I don't know, is any of these two a singer?
I think Lang might. Not sure.
Lang stated that he sings in one of the Northridge videos. I'd be curious to hear what that sounds like though...
EDIT:
This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bodmgfVELeI
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From MM's official page:https://www.mikemangini.com/1mikemanginipage/biospage.htm (https://www.mikemangini.com/1mikemanginipage/biospage.htm):
HAS PERFORMED OR RECORDED WITH:
Skunk Baxter (Steely Dan,) Brad Delp/Barry Goudreau/Fran Sheehan (Boston,) Steven Tyler (Aerosmith,) Darrel (Run DMC,) James Montgomery, Charlie Farren, Johnny A., Nuno Bettencourt/Pat Badger/Gary Cherone (Extreme whole band, as well as, separately,) Patrick Benti, Steve Vai, Mike Keneally, Philip Bynoe, Steve Perry (Journey,) Jane Pitrelli, Waltham Percussion Ensemble Alumni, Annihilator, Dream Theater (whole band,) James LaBrie (solo,) Brian Bellar, Matt Guillory, Marco Sfogli, Eastman School Orchestra, Joel Thome, Godsmack, Dale Bozzio, Steve Ferlazzo, Brad Miller, two dozen Sanctum Sound recording artists, a lot of cover bands and do
When has he played with DT?
Mike invited him up to play before, I dunno if that's what he's referring to.
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From MM's official page:https://www.mikemangini.com/1mikemanginipage/biospage.htm (https://www.mikemangini.com/1mikemanginipage/biospage.htm):
HAS PERFORMED OR RECORDED WITH:
Skunk Baxter (Steely Dan,) Brad Delp/Barry Goudreau/Fran Sheehan (Boston,) Steven Tyler (Aerosmith,) Darrel (Run DMC,) James Montgomery, Charlie Farren, Johnny A., Nuno Bettencourt/Pat Badger/Gary Cherone (Extreme whole band, as well as, separately,) Patrick Benti, Steve Vai, Mike Keneally, Philip Bynoe, Steve Perry (Journey,) Jane Pitrelli, Waltham Percussion Ensemble Alumni, Annihilator, Dream Theater (whole band,) James LaBrie (solo,) Brian Bellar, Matt Guillory, Marco Sfogli, Eastman School Orchestra, Joel Thome, Godsmack, Dale Bozzio, Steve Ferlazzo, Brad Miller, two dozen Sanctum Sound recording artists, a lot of cover bands and do
When has he played with DT?
Hmm, that's odd...
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Auditioning counts as playing with?
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Most likely what Memoryscenes said.
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For Immediate Release - Progressive Metal superstars Dream Theater have settled on a new drummer today. Max Portnoy will join the group in recording the 11th album in January. The band auditioned several thousand musicians before settling on Portnoy.
"We are pleased to welcome Max to the group, it really is the best of all worlds. We retain the Portnoy flavor with at least 5 years before Max attempts to take over the band." said singer James LaBrie.
Portnoy is 11 years old and has been playing since birth. He is looking forward to bringing his own style to his father's music.
"Filling Mike's shoes will be tough, mostly because I'm only a size 8 1/2." said Max. "Also I should be ready to run things in less than three years though I think JLB is still the right singer for Dream Theater."
The auditions occurred quickly following the elder Portnoy exiting the band earlier this year. Embracing technology, the entire band worked extremely hard to find a good fit.
"Jordan turned us on to this new thing, Youtube or I guess that's what its called." said guitarist John Petrucci. "We all met at Starbucks and poured through these videos on his iPhone and happened on Max's clips by accident. He's amazing and amazingly small. He can only spit like two feet."
The band plans a worldwide tour in 2011 once they receive signed permission forms from Max's parents to stay out overnight. While little is known about the new album, Portnoy did reveal the band was reworking one of his father's tunes.
"We are re-recording Never Enough with new lyrics, retitling it Never Enough Lucky Charms in honor of my favorite cereal, also to welcome back fans who often failed to display proper fealty to my dad." said Portnoy. "They have paid for their insolence.
The young drummer has inked an early sponsorship deal with General Mills and expects to give out tons of free cereal to grateful fans throughout the coming tour although Max's rider does include removal of all Blue Moons, a task falling on drum tech Jose Baraquio who Mike gave to Max on his last birthday.
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Meh.
Not nearly as funny as the amount of work you put into it.
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Meh.
Not nearly as funny as the amount of work you put into it.
Meet Adami. He hates everyone.
Welcome to the forum, faustus!
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Why does the new drummer have to be a singer? I mean, do we actually want to hear any more vocals coming from the drummer? I'd love it if the new drummer kept his mouth shut at all times during the song.
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Meh.
Not nearly as funny as the amount of work you put into it.
Meet Adami. He hates everyone.
Welcome to the forum, faustus!
I don't hate you.
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Why does the new drummer have to be a singer? I mean, do we actually want to hear any more vocals coming from the drummer? I'd love it if the new drummer kept his mouth shut at all times during the song.
This is true. No singing neccessary as long as his drumming is awesome.
Meh.
Not nearly as funny as the amount of work you put into it.
Meet Adami. He hates everyone.
Welcome to the forum, faustus!
I don't hate you.
Adami doesn't hate everyone. :sadpanda:
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Why does the new drummer have to be a singer? I mean, do we actually want to hear any more vocals coming from the drummer? I'd love it if the new drummer kept his mouth shut at all times during the song.
This
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Why does the new drummer have to be a singer? I mean, do we actually want to hear any more vocals coming from the drummer? I'd love it if the new drummer kept his mouth shut at all times during the song.
This
But how will they do any MP-era songs with his vocals live, if the new drummer can't sing? Petrucci certainly can't handle all MP's parts.
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But how will they do any MP-era songs with his vocals live, if the new drummer can't sing? Petrucci certainly can't handle all MP's parts.
I actually gave that a lot of thought. And I figure for songs where Portnoy was just adding in some random harmonies, then they can just do without it. However I came up with a really inventive way to deal with the songs that feature Portnoy singing leadish vocals.
They don't play them.
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Ah now I understand. Thanks for clearing that up.
I guess there are four possible solutions:
1) Drummer who sings-- good for live shows, but hopefully he doesn't do so in the studio
2) Petrucci sings-- very doubtful; bad vocal abilities, and we wouldn't want it to detract from his playing
3) Rudess patches the vocal parts of MP for live shows-- Also doubtful: DT shouldn't play Portnoy's voice during a live show in this post-MP era
4) Labrie fills in-- my favorite option; I can see him doing trade-offs with himself during live shows. It wouldn't be too bad
EDIT: or what Adami just said. But, we should be aware that that would preclude DT from playing Glass Prison :-\
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Yes, we'd lose the Glass Prison, but we'd also lose like every one of their horrible songs.
It might be worth it.
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Rudess could always do some backing vocals.
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Rudess could always do some backing vocals.
INVENTORY!
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Rudess could always do some backing vocals.
Actually, his voice isn't bad, they should utilize him in some way
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Rudess could always do some backing vocals.
Actually, his voice isn't bad, they should utilize him in some way
Yeah, I don't see why they don't. Either that or the new drummer can probably hit the lower register.
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Well naturally, as someone with perfect pitch, he can sing. But the timbre of his voice doesn't match up well with MP's lyrics. He could always use this thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaliEHcRWvI&feature=related
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MP actually did get better with backup singing as the years went by. I wish they'd let James do all the vocals unless James suggested that Mike sing it (which he did at some points), but if the new drummer had a decent voice I'd be okay with them doing live backup vocals, or they could give Rudess another thing to do on stage. I mean, JP isn't the greatest singer in the world, they need SOMEONE else to do a bit of backup of they do backup vocals at all.
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Maybe Labrie can record them and have them piped in while he is singing live. That way it will be all James and the band can just play to a click track.
Or simply dont play them. They have plenty of songs. Maybe they could dig deeper into the vault and play more songs that they havent really highlighted before.
I consider this to be a small problem. Making good new music is the most important thing IMO.
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BrotherH, I am reporting you now.
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Ah now I understand. Thanks for clearing that up.
I guess there are four possible solutions:
1) Drummer who sings-- good for live shows, but hopefully he doesn't do so in the studio
2) Petrucci sings-- very doubtful; bad vocal abilities, and we wouldn't want it to detract from his playing
3) Rudess patches the vocal parts of MP for live shows-- Also doubtful: DT shouldn't play Portnoy's voice during a live show in this post-MP era
4) Labrie fills in-- my favorite option; I can see him doing trade-offs with himself during live shows. It wouldn't be too bad
Petrucci IMO has an outstanding vocal quality. Speaking from the profession myself, any choir director would be lucky to have someone with a voice like his in their group. (Splent can back me up???) But MP's parts were either too high (in falsetto) or too frequent for JP to always sing them.
DT should not use patches of MP's voice... I can't imagine Mike being too happy with that solution. And the call-and-response nature of some of the vocals would preclude JLB from singing both parts.
The only solutions in my mind would be to find a drummer who sings, use Rudess to sing, or stop playing any and all songs with MP vox. I find the first two feasible options and the latter outrageous. Mike's harmony vocals are essential to lots of DT's catalog, and his call-and-response style has been pretty important in their more recent recordings. They can't just discard that.
But maybe I'm completely wrong.
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BrotherH, I am reporting you now.
:lol
:angel:
:|
Unless....
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Yeah I thought they were supposed to announce the drummer yesterday brother...... ;)
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A thought occurs. The following sings have vocal melodies where MP's vocals have been crucial to executing them:
The Glass Prison
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
This Dying Soul
Octavarium Full Circle Section
ITPOE Part 1 (the spoken stuff under the end, which I don't even know if MP did live)
Constant Motion
The Dark Eternal Night (maybe)
Prophets of War (The spoken section)
ITPOE Part 2 (Slaughter of the Damned)
A Nightmare to Remember
The Shattered Fortress (I think we can assume this)
The Count of Tuscany (sorta)
It's not that long of a list. And start thinking about how many of MP's vocals in these songs could just be removed (TCOT) or replaced with something different (ANTR) and you don't loose much of the DT catalog. In fact, I'd say the only songs that flat out don't work without MP's voice are:
The Glass Prison
This Dying Soul
Constant Motion
The Shattered Fortress
That's four songs. With everything else, JP and JR could carry the vocals. You could get creative and have Rudess do things with the VP-550 to fill space in different ways.
It would be cool if they got a new drummer in the band with a harder voice. While I didn't always like how MP executed his vocals, in theory I liked the contrast he created with JLB. But if that doesn't happen, the live shows will survive.
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I'm sure I can live without Constant Motion and The Shattered Fortress.
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That's four songs. With everything else, JP and JR could carry the vocals. You could get creative and have Rudess do things with the VP-550 to fill space in different ways.
I'd like to hear some proper vocoder. Massive robot harmonies would be lush. Don't know if his hands would be too full, but if not then fantastic.
It'd sound ace in Octavarium. "Spinning round and rooooooound..."
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Yeah, 2pm came and went LOL!
i actually found a computer to check around 2pm like a silly fanboy.
"That John Denver's full of sh1t man!"
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Don't forget Panic Attack.
Come to think of it, having only JLB sing on that would be nice.
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Don't forget Panic Attack.
Come to think of it, having only JLB sing on that would be nice.
Good point.
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So when is DT going to reveal the drummer? It's already December.
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5 minutes from when you read this post.
rumborak
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5 minutes from when you read this post.
rumborak
Whoah!
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5 minutes from when you read this post.
rumborak
Nahhh
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Lool it's like the story of the boy who cried wolf..
I the waiting for the announcement is driving me crazy!
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I'm sure I can live without Constant Motion and The Shattered Fortress.
Agreed with the first (even if its fun live), but not the second. TSF is awesome.
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Also, for a lot of the songs people are listing, just because portnoy sings WITH LaBrie all the time, doesn't mean he's necessary. Portnoys parts are only necessary when he's the only one doing them.
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This was on Twitter.
mythodeachris Christos Nikolaou
..is very proud to announce the new drummer of Mythodea Project Charlie Zeleny !
Wonder if this means Charlie is out of the running?
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This was on Twitter.
mythodeachris Christos Nikolaou
..is very proud to announce the new drummer of Mythodea Project Charlie Zeleny !
Wonder if this means Charlie is out of the running?
Charlie already said that he didn't audition.
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About those MP backing vocals, DT could do like Kamelot does live and bring some back-up singers, that way quality background vocals will be no problem, if Kamelot can afford to bring these singers on tour, I'm sure DT could too.
The only thing is I personally don't dig these background singers being on stage with the band... It doesn't seem that "metal"
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About those MP backing vocals, DT could do like Kamelot does live and bring some back-up singers, that way quality background vocals will be no problem, if Kamelot can afford to bring these singers on tour, I'm sure DT could too.
The only thing is I personally don't dig these background singers being on stage with the band... It doesn't seem that "metal"
Yeah. While bringing in additional singers for the occasional thing like LSFNY or DSOTM is fine, I wouldn't want it to be a regular thing.
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The only thing is I personally don't dig these background singers being on stage with the band... It doesn't seem that "metal"
Unless it's Mikael
(https://img804.imageshack.us/img804/6794/bloodstock2010100815blo.jpg) (https://img804.imageshack.us/i/bloodstock2010100815blo.jpg/)
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Why does it looks like he is bleeding in that picture?
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Because he's bleeding in that picture.
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Bloodbath.
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I think it's funny how people actually want a drummer who can handle Mike's vocals. :P
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That's a great Bloodbath pic.
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I was thinking this morning that a cool way to announce the new DT drummer would be for the band to post a video of themselves playing through a song or two with the new drummer. Jordan is such a big video guy that he could do it easily. Just an idea. It could be a cool, fun, modern way to unveil the new drummer to fans instead of just posting a news release.
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A vokle session with some hype beforehand is what I would do. It would probably cause the site to crash but still, I love JRs Vokle.
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Yea, an edited 1 minute TEASER clip of DT jamming with the new guy to a few DT classics and maybe even a new riff or two would absolutely SLAY! We see just enough to learn who the new guy is and maybe a few shots of him nailing some of MP's stuff. Then we all wait to see more when the new stuff comes out.
Like Red said: "I HOPE"
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Yea, an edited 1 minute TEASER clip of DT jamming with the new guy to a few DT classics and maybe even a new riff or two would absolutely SLAY! We see just enough to learn who the new guy is and maybe a few shots of him nailing some of MP's stuff. Then we all wait to see more when the new stuff comes out.
What if we aren't shown who the new drummer is? JR could make a huge tease out of it (which doesn't necessarily mean that he would).
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Yea, an edited 1 minute TEASER clip of DT jamming with the new guy to a few DT classics and maybe even a new riff or two would absolutely SLAY! We see just enough to learn who the new guy is and maybe a few shots of him nailing some of MP's stuff. Then we all wait to see more when the new stuff comes out.
What if we aren't shown who the new drummer is? JR could make a huge tease out of it (which doesn't necessarily mean that he would).
Oh, I hope he doesn't, that'd suck, lol. I don't think he would though.....but.........
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
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I was thinking this morning that a cool way to announce the new DT drummer would be for the band to post a video of themselves playing through a song or two with the new drummer. Jordan is such a big video guy that he could do it easily. Just an idea. It could be a cool, fun, modern way to unveil the new drummer to fans instead of just posting a news release.
it would cooler if they just posted a video clip with the new drummer without announcing who it is and see how long it takes for us to catch on.
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I was thinking this morning that a cool way to announce the new DT drummer would be for the band to post a video of themselves playing through a song or two with the new drummer. Jordan is such a big video guy that he could do it easily. Just an idea. It could be a cool, fun, modern way to unveil the new drummer to fans instead of just posting a news release.
it would cooler if they just posted a video clip with the new drummer without announcing who it is and see how long it takes for us to catch on.
Lol, they'd probably do that. :lol
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Maybe that's what JR is doing with Minneman but with trickery!
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Maybe that's what JR is doing with Minneman but with trickery!
:dangerwillrobinson:
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I have heard from a very trustworthy source, that unfortunately Lang, Minnemann, Donati are out of the game.
I honestly don't know how the chosen one is, but it seems very likely we will be dissapointed, as this source says.
Maybe its Aquiles Priester, as some rumors said, but until the official announcement its still uncertain.
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I have heard from a very trustworthy source, that unfortunately Lang, Minnemann, Donati are out of the game.
I honestly don't know how the chosen one is, but it seems very likely we will be dissapointed, as this source says.
Maybe its Aquiles Priester, as some rumors said, but until the official announcement its still uncertain.
Can we try to cut down on posts like this?
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I hate posts like that... it makes me down about following Lang so closely. And what is the nature of the source... what does he do
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i hope to be proven wrong. This information comes from a magazine editor (rock hard) who has connections with the band.
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The speculation is just getting stupid now.
" We can basically say that these people aren't going to drum for DT, I have it on great authority that this is true, but of course we actually know nothing because anything can happen on the day they make their announcement making everything I just said null and void."
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I'm just saying what i've heard. Sorry if it is annoying, feel free to delete it.
What i said is that this source claimed that none of the names we heard-hoped (Lang, Minnemann, Donati) is the name of the drummer.
Unfortunately, he wants to keep the name secret.
That's all, and i am sorry if i annoyed you with my post ;)
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Hey guys, I just heard from a totally reliable anonymous source that goes to the same grocery store as JP's barber that they've decided not to go with any of the 7 who auditioned, and instead are going to just use old clips of MP, including stock footage of him for live performances. I swear, it's totally reliable, and not at all a bunch of bullshit I'm making up to get attention.
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I'm just saying what i've heard. Sorry if it is annoying, feel free to delete it.
What i said is that this source claimed that none of the names we heard-hoped (Lang, Minnemann, Donati) is the name of the drummer.
Unfortunately, he wants to keep the name secret.
That's all, and i am sorry if i annoyed you with my post ;)
Well, your source didn't discount Mangini, as Rumborak has claimed to have heard. So perhaps there's a correlation there.
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All I'm saying is that if you are going to present evidence or discount people, don't end it by saying, but we'll never know until they say so this might not even be the case. It completely throws away your credibility. At least stand behind the stuff you say.
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I'm just saying what i've heard. Sorry if it is annoying, feel free to delete it.
What i said is that this source claimed that none of the names we heard-hoped (Lang, Minnemann, Donati) is the name of the drummer.
Unfortunately, he wants to keep the name secret.
That's all, and i am sorry if i annoyed you with my post ;)
Well, your source didn't discount Mangini, as Rumborak has claimed to have heard. So perhaps there's a correlation there.
Exactly what I thought. You guys should maybe take this seriously, since Rumbo isn't bullshitting us. Makes sense to me.
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MP actually did get better with backup singing as the years went by. I wish they'd let James do all the vocals unless James suggested that Mike sing it (which he did at some points), but if the new drummer had a decent voice I'd be okay with them doing live backup vocals, or they could give Rudess another thing to do on stage. I mean, JP isn't the greatest singer in the world, they need SOMEONE else to do a bit of backup of they do backup vocals at all.
They should get a guy who plays guitar and sings.
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No! A guy who plays guitar, sings, and underperforms on solos like "Dark Matter" live! Call John Wesley! We have his next gig!
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I hate posts like that... it makes me down about following Lang so closely. And what is the nature of the source... what does he do
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No! A guy who plays guitar, sings, and underperforms on solos like "Dark Matter" live! Call John Wesley! We have his next gig!
Nah bitch!
DT's guy will only play riffs. Petrucci will do all the soloing.
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But then we'll never even hear JM live...
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All he does is double the guitar parts anyway!
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:corn
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All he does is double the guitar parts anyway!
I see this resulting in DTF's first ever rape caught on video: Black C***s in Panty Linings.
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I see this resulting in DTF's first ever rape caught on video: Black C***s in Panty Linings.
:lol :lol
A Nightrape to Remember
A C*** of Passage
With her
The Shattered Mattress
The Best of Times
The Mount of Tuscany
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So, people with connections to DT are posting things they've heard about DT's new drummer and.... other people are telling them to shut up? Um. What?
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So, people with connections to DT are posting things they've heard about DT's new drummer and.... other people are telling them to shut up? Um. What?
Therein lies the problem, we as spectators can't be sure of the validity of those "connections," so while it would be nice to take their word for it that's one word against a thousand. Plus, one of these kinds of posts pop up every other page.
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I see this resulting in DTF's first ever rape caught on video: Black C***s in Panty Linings.
:lol :lol
A Nightrape to Remember
A C*** of Passage
With her
The Shattered Mattress
The Best of Times
The Mount of Tuscany
You mean, A Rite of Bondage.
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Therein lies the problem, we as spectators can't be sure of the validity of those "connections," so while it would be nice to take their word for it that's one word against a thousand. Plus, one of these kinds of posts pop up every other page.
No, the problem is that some people take this stuff too seriously. Let's not forget that this has happened in a thread called, "PLACE YOUR BETS." It's really not that serious.
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Oh yeah, and look how many votes that Zombie Mike Portnoy has received. :lol
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:lol Well said Snake.
I'm going to reserve any conclusions until there's an official announcement.
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To be honest, I don't know much about most of the drummers in the poll, so I can't judge who will be chosen. From what I've heard, Mark Zonder might be a cool addition, but he's currently working with the UK band Ten (which is a highly underrated act, BTW). Richard Christy would also be fun, especially since he's jammed with the band on a couple of live shows. However, he's busy with the Howard Stern show, and I don't see him taking time off for a DT tour.
Mike Mamgini is an intriguing option, because he's taken part in a diverse range of projects, from Annihilator to Extreme. However, I'm not familiar enough with his work to say if he can do some of the quirky drumming that appears in much of DT's work.
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It's been 5 days since i've checked for news relating to a new drummer/checked this forum. It is now December... and still nothing!
I've given up. I don't care anymore. I don't care if Minnemann or Lars Ulrich get the position... i need closure!!
fuuuuu
</rage post>
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Evidence is stacking for Mangini. I think he's quite a safe bet, at this point in time. I'm currently assuming so unless told otherwise.
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Either Mangini or Lang. Those two are my main candidates. And although I like the idea of either of them, and I know the info will come soon, I really really think this is taking too long.
I mean, when was the official announcement that Mike left?
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Either Mangini or Lang. Those two are my main candidates. And although I like the idea of either of them, and I know the info will come soon, I really really think this is taking too long.
I mean, when was the official announcement that Mike left?
Well, it's taking very long in my opinion too. I thought Mangini would be good-drum-wise I still think he is- but idk, there is something I don't like about the guy himself. I'd prefer Lang for that matter or Minnemann.
B.Lee
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Evidence is stacking for Mangini. I think he's quite a safe bet, at this point in time. I'm currently assuming so unless told otherwise.
Share evidence?
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Evidence is stacking for Mangini. I think he's quite a safe bet, at this point in time. I'm currently assuming so unless told otherwise.
Share evidence?
Random people saying random things.
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Evidence is stacking for Mangini. I think he's quite a safe bet, at this point in time. I'm currently assuming so unless told otherwise.
Share evidence?
Random people saying random things.
Yeah. There's no proof. But there are a handful of trustworthy people who seem fairly convinced, and another handful of people who are fairly convinced that certain other candidates are nixed.
When I say "a handful of," I really mean "one or two." But rumours don't come from nowhere. I'd like to be wrong, I'm definitely guilty of investing far too much in rumours. But it's a sensible choice, it's a safe choice, and it's got a couple of people reinforcing it. Hope it's wrong, though. I think he'd be the least exciting addition to the band out of all those in the above list. Absolutely talented enough for the job, but he doesn't have that extra spark, imo.
Least exciting of a fantastic bunch is still a good place to be, mind.
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Agree with Rob, Mangini doesn't seem to have anything really really cool going for him, even though he has the ability to play in DT. I'm still really pulling for Minnemann. He has this cool quirkiness about him.
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Agree with Rob, Mangini doesn't seem to have anything really really cool going for him, even though he has the ability to play in DT. I'm still really pulling for Minnemann. He has this cool quirkiness about him.
What? Mangini doesn't have any spark? No quirkiness?
To me Lang is the only one on the list (well, Jarzombek too, but he dropped really soon) that comes close to him in terms of 'being special'. Lang with his fusion background, and Mangini with his, well, ability to play anything.
How about Mangini's world famous Drum Solo on the Steve Vai tour? Or his world record single strokes on the drumometer? Or his weird kit setup? Or his strangely awesome personality? To me Mangini might be the one on the list with the most specialities.
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I'm still hoping for Lang, but if a fraction of the rumors people have mentioned are true, evidence points to Mangini. Either way, I don't see any downside whatsoever.
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I'm still hoping for Lang, but if a fraction of the rumors people have mentioned are true, evidence points to Mangini. Either way, I don't see any downside whatsoever.
Same here but I am not too familiar with Mangini except for JLB's solo stuff, where he is not really at the forefront.
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Mangini clips:
Great early career drumsolo with Extreme (tasteful, fast, double bass, polyrhythmic)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um24wnmC3xs
WFD world record: 1203 single strokes in a minute!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7TzWrKso4I
His most famous drumsolo, on tour with Steve Vai this has everything:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31c-FL0ZlZ0
Incredibly tasty groovy solo, bird view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1EhMdqE51c
A 10 minute solo, sit this one through and you know he's really one of the best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyaFL24Zu8c
And to show he's an awesome person:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQTBtkB_mWQ
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I'm still hoping for Lang, but if a fraction of the rumors people have mentioned are true, evidence points to Mangini. Either way, I don't see any downside whatsoever.
Same here but I am not too familiar with Mangini except for JLB's solo stuff, where he is not really at the forefront.
Yea, LaBries stuff doesn't really show off any of his talent, but it does show off how tasteful he can be.
youtube some of his solos though, damn amazing stuff.
EDIT: Damnit zappa!
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Mangini is incredibly versatile. If it is him, I really couldn't fault the decision at all!
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EDIT: Damnit zappa!
:lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2e52J5aazQ&NR=1&feature=fvwp
One more, watch the cowbell in the second half of the clip. Not only does he play a nice syncopated clave, he uses a triplet like swing feel on it, that he doesn't use with his other foot or his hands. Two different feels at the same time, incredible.
Edit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00GXRzoJbiI
Another one, plain rock song, nicely fast, great playing, nothing too much, just very very good and solid.
Look at 2:10 that rhythm, with one hand!
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Not only is Mangini extremely amazing, but he's completely ambidextrous.
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Love Mangini, incredible drummer and seems like a cool guy, I would be thoroughly happy with him in DT
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Great vids Nihil!
Yeah...he'll do! :D
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I'll check out those Mangini vids in a bit, but now for something completely different:
I was listening to Crack the Skye today, and while I know this is a super long shot, but I just thought of Brann Dailor in Dream Theater. I can already see the metal song lyrics improving, along with badass fills/grooves.
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I was listening to Crack the Skye today, and while I know this is a super long shot, but I just thought of Brann Dailor in Dream Theater. I can already see the metal song lyrics improving, along with badass fills/grooves.
Awesome album, awesome drummer! But I'm having trouble imagining him in DT. Would've been interesting to see him there, though!
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Anyone here thinking that it might be someone else that has never been mentioned here? Just a thought...
As for this...
I have heard from a very trustworthy source, that unfortunately Lang, Minnemann, Donati are out of the game.
I honestly don't know how the chosen one is, but it seems very likely we will be dissapointed, as this source says.
Maybe its Aquiles Priester, as some rumors said, but until the official announcement its still uncertain.
The info comes, as nikatapi said, from a greek rock magazine editor, who claims has *actual* information and not just some rumour or speculation from some friend of his. Now, I don't know how accurate his so-called info are (and I mean no offense towards him of course), but I think that if this had gone out of the "inner circle", it would have spread all over the internet by now. Also, he said that the name he learned really disappointed him. Also, he says that it's not between the names we've been speculating all this time.
I went and asked him specifically if he could deny in the same way he did for Lang/Minnemann/Donati, the name of Aquiles Priester, but I got no denial response. So that makes me a little suspicious...
Anyway, as it seems from Petrucci's post on his forums, the announcement is close - I guess it will be before they hit the studio, and as the days go by, I start believing it will indeed be announced on 6 o' clock on Christmas morning! :)
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Thanks for clearing that up. I highly doubt DT would let a greek magazine editor know anything before anyone else.
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Thanks for clearing that up. I highly doubt DT would let a greek magazine editor know anything before anyone else.
I specifically said that he learned from a friend of his, whom I suppose he considers a reliable source, so it's not like DT called him and told him about their drummer.
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Priester seems to be too much into the pop metal scene to be considered as a new DT drummer IMO.
He left Angra for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y23PDlUnZtA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y23PDlUnZtA) - where Priester is a founding member.
Awful...
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Priester seems to be too much into the pop metal scene to be considered as a new DT drummer IMO.
He left Angra for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y23PDlUnZtA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y23PDlUnZtA) - where Priester is a founding member.
Awful...
Maybe this is the reason the guy says he's disappointed? Just a thought, and I hope his info is wrong...
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Priester seems to be too much into the pop metal scene to be considered as a new DT drummer IMO.
He left Angra for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y23PDlUnZtA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y23PDlUnZtA) - where Priester is a founding member.
Awful...
Maybe this is the reason the guy says he's disappointed? Just a thought, and I hope his info is wrong...
Why would they pick a guy who's heavily involved with another band?
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Priester seems to be too much into the pop metal scene to be considered as a new DT drummer IMO.
He left Angra for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y23PDlUnZtA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y23PDlUnZtA) - where Priester is a founding member.
Awful...
Maybe this is the reason the guy says he's disappointed? Just a thought, and I hope his info is wrong...
Why would they pick a guy who's heavily involved with another band?
This. And he has only been doing pop- and power metal stuff afaik. Angra isn't that progressive. Most of the music I have heard consists of 1/16 bass drums and snare on the off-beat. And Hangar? Ew...
Why even consider him as a drummer in such a progressive focused band as DT? If he auditioned, as some "rumours" say, I hope the DT guys know what they're doing... I hope he didn't!
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Not only is Mangini extremely amazing, but he's completely ambidextrous.
I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
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Not only is Mangini extremely amazing, but he's completely ambidextrous.
I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
Yea, but that would ......................oh I get it.
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Why even consider him as a drummer in such a progressive focused band as DT?
Because he's really, really, really good. And for those wanting someone stylistically different than Mike, Priester fits that bill.
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Why even consider him as a drummer in such a progressive focused band as DT?
Because he's really, really, really good. And for those wanting someone stylistically different than Mike, Priester fits that bill.
Well, if you know of any material of him online that shows how really, really, really good he is, I would gladly see or hear it. Remember that the new drummer also needs to play DT's old songs at least as good as MP does. Being an amazing power metalist doesn't necessarily imply that.
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Why even consider him as a drummer in such a progressive focused band as DT?
Because he's really, really, really good. And for those wanting someone stylistically different than Mike, Priester fits that bill.
Well, if you know of any material of him online that shows how really, really, really good he is, I would gladly see or hear it. Remember that the new drummer also needs to play DT's old songs at least as good as MP does. Being an amazing power metalist doesn't necessarily imply that.
check out freakeys. It was an LTE-style instrumental album he drummed on. Here's a sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPKz6VdhgLI
I don't know what he'd bring to the table in terms of compositions/arrangements/ideas, but in terms of chops he could easily do the job and then some IMO.
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That was not LTEish at all, unless you count anything with shredding as LTEish.
The drums were almost entirely in 4/4 and I could play just about all of that myself and I'm not much of a drummer. He also lacks ANY soul or groove in any of the videos I've seen from him. He's a very good metal drummer. Nothing more.
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I can definitely see the LTE connection, though the music was somewhat uninspired (I guess not everyone can be JP/JR). As for the drummer, he's pretty clearly a step down from MP in terms of creativity, but I wasn't completely unimpressed. There were some interesting drum parts at around the 3:00 mark. I think there are better options though...
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That was not LTEish at all, unless you count anything with shredding as LTEish.
The drums were almost entirely in 4/4 and I could play just about all of that myself and I'm not much of a drummer. He also lacks ANY soul or groove in any of the videos I've seen from him. He's a very good metal drummer. Nothing more.
Hehe, exactly my thoughts after seeing the video (except that I can't play drums :-\). The song is some of the most progressive I have seen with Priester (which says a lot), and his complexity is far from what you find in DT's drumming. His footwork is alright, but doesn't stand out as impressive. He knows his metal, but he seems like a boy scout in the world of progressive drummers.
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Not that I believe this, but:
On December 9, 2010, it was announced that Mike joined the progressive-metal group, Dream Theater.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mangini (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mangini)
And looking at the history, it looks like there have a few people trying to change it lately.
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It's very possible that Mangini joined DT. But not because of any of the sources listed here so far.
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Stating the obvious: Wikipedia is probably the least reliable source when it comes to speculation, because every wannabe-funny (or whatever) person and his dog can change stuff there.
I just really hope that DT sort out everything necessary concerning the new drummer so that they can announce him. It just shouldn't happen in the middle of the night. :biggrin:
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Mangini just makes so much sense. Right age, ridiculous skill, is from the east coast, and he teaches at Berklee. It all fits so well.
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Mangini just makes so much sense. Right age, ridiculous skill, is from the east coast, and he teaches at Berklee. It all fits so well.
I said that right after when MP had left DT!
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It would be more believable if it was on WikiLeaks...
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Priester seems ok. Not great, but ok. CJS promised us they had auditioned seven "world class" drummers (I think that was the quote...). Priester does not seem to be world class to me. Mangini, Lang, Donati, Minneman, Zonder, Portnoy, world class without a doubt.
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Stating the obvious: Wikipedia is probably the least reliable source when it comes to speculation, because every wannabe-funny (or whatever) person and his dog can change stuff there.
I just really hope that DT sort out everything necessary concerning the new drummer so that they can announce him. It just shouldn't happen in the middle of the night. :biggrin:
That's an impressive dog I must say..
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Stating the obvious: Wikipedia is probably the least reliable source when it comes to speculation, because every wannabe-funny (or whatever) person and his dog can change stuff there.
I just really hope that DT sort out everything necessary concerning the new drummer so that they can announce him. It just shouldn't happen in the middle of the night. :biggrin:
That's an impressive dog I must say..
And early as it is, it's also a bit raw.
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According to the very unreliable Blabbermouth, they have picked a new drummer. Now, they're just preparing for the announcement.
https://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/News/dream-theater-1210/
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According to the very unreliable Blabbermouth, they have picked a new drummer. Now, they're just preparing for the announcement.
https://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/News/dream-theater-1210/
I'll just go all-the-way-Portnoy and take the headline of that article srsly.
Yeah baby, yeah!
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Stating the obvious: Wikipedia is probably the least reliable source when it comes to speculation, because every wannabe-funny (or whatever) person and his dog can change stuff there.
I just really hope that DT sort out everything necessary concerning the new drummer so that they can announce him. It just shouldn't happen in the middle of the night. :biggrin:
That's an impressive DOG I must say..
And early as it is, it's also a bit RAW.
Get it? :neverusethis:
/fail at life
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GOD WAR needs blast beat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg2EyWA0Jxc
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According to the very unreliable Blabbermouth, they have picked a new drummer. Now, they're just preparing for the announcement.
https://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/News/dream-theater-1210/
As unreliable Blabbermouth usually is, being that the site is run by Roadrunner and DT is signed with RR, it say its safe to say the decision has been made...NOW JUST ANNOUNCE IT >:(
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God I hope Im right..I placed a huge bet a while back that its: Marky Ramone....
there will be no Christmas at my house if my hunch and source was incorrect..
fingers crossed
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Stating the obvious: Wikipedia is probably the least reliable source when it comes to speculation, because every wannabe-funny (or whatever) person and his dog can change stuff there.
I just really hope that DT sort out everything necessary concerning the new drummer so that they can announce him. It just shouldn't happen in the middle of the night. :biggrin:
That's an impressive DOG I must say..
And early as it is, it's also a bit RAW.
Get it? :neverusethis:
I don't.
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Dream Theater did a song called Raw Dog for the God of War compagnion CD not so long ago. Rina talked about a "dog", I added "raw". That's funny because it makes "Raw Dog", which is the name of the previously mentionned song. I thought it had an element of surprise and joyful exuberance that kids have sometimes when they see the beautiful colors of summer for the first time through the eyes of innocence.
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Dream Theater did a song called Raw God for the God of War compagnion CD not so long ago. Rina talked about a "dog", I added "raw". That's funny because it makes "Raw Dog", which is the name of the previously mentionned song.
No they didn't.
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It's a special moment I treasure. You can't take that away from me. Not after all we've been through.
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It's a special moment I treasure. You can't take that away from me. Not after all we've been through.
I'm sorry, but the rumor that DT recorded a song called Raw Dog is false.
And that's the story we're sticking to. Got it?
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Oh, I thought you talked about the innocence kids summer memory beauty thing.
I agree with you then. :tup
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Oh, I thought you talked about the innocence kids summer memory beauty thing.
I agree with you then. :tup
Fixed it.
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Yeah...but when I said "Raw God" instead of "Raw Dog", it was actually part of was triple four-parts joke that is currently at stage 2. There is a big pun coming in 2 weeks related to that.
Be prepared.
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Dream Theater did a song called Raw Dog for the God of War compagnion CD not so long ago. Rina talked about a "dog", I added "raw". That's funny because it makes "Raw Dog", which is the name of the previously mentionned song. I thought it had an element of surprise and joyful exuberance that kids have sometimes when they see the beautiful colors of summer for the first time through the eyes of innocence.
Dream who?
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Dream Theater did a song called Raw Dog for the God of War compagnion CD not so long ago. Rina talked about a "dog", I added "raw". That's funny because it makes "Raw Dog", which is the name of the previously mentionned song. I thought it had an element of surprise and joyful exuberance that kids have sometimes when they see the beautiful colors of summer for the first time through the eyes of innocence.
Dream who?
Something about a movie about dreams I think. Maybe he meant it's playing in the theaters right now. I don't know, he didn't go deeper.
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Inception
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:tup
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Dream Theater did a song called Raw Dog for the God of War compagnion CD not so long ago. Rina talked about a "dog", I added "raw". That's funny because it makes "Raw Dog", which is the name of the previously mentionned song. I thought it had an element of surprise and joyful exuberance that kids have sometimes when they see the beautiful colors of summer for the first time through the eyes of innocence.
Dream who?
Something about a movie about dreams I think. Maybe he meant it's playing in the theaters right now. I don't know, he didn't go deeper.
Is this some sort of Harry Potter reference?
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Well, if you know of any material of him online that shows how really, really, really good he is, I would gladly see or hear it. Remember that the new drummer also needs to play DT's old songs at least as good as MP does. Being an amazing power metalist doesn't necessarily imply that.
I'm really surprised that a community like this would have no knowledge of AP or an understanding of his capability. I feel like I'm on a Justin Bieber forum trying to explain who John Petrucci is. :lol
This is pretty good overview of his style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ATHpb1f_g
Drummerworld.com used to have a pretty extensive video library of him if you wanted to check out more of his work. It's hard to capture everything he does in one video, because he's played in several different styles of bands, some of which are straightforward rock drumming, some is speed/power metal, while others are more progressive. Not everything he does is flashy, but his chops rival anyone else mentioned in this thread. He also may very well have the fastest feet of anyone I've ever heard. Lang remains my number one choice, but if he's not an option, I'd rather see Priester than Mangini or anyone else mentioned here. Stylistically I think he is one of the most interesting options. I don't want to see more of the same with a new drummer. Either get someone to bring in a new element, or go get Portnoy back. Also, from what I have read, Priester oversees all or most aspects of Hangar, which could be a huge bonus considering the size of the role Portnoy played in DT. Someone who is familiar with running a band could bring much more to the table than someone who just plays an instrument.
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Dream Theater did a song called Raw Dog for the God of War compagnion CD not so long ago. Rina talked about a "dog", I added "raw". That's funny because it makes "Raw Dog", which is the name of the previously mentionned song. I thought it had an element of surprise and joyful exuberance that kids have sometimes when they see the beautiful colors of summer for the first time through the eyes of innocence.
Dream who?
Something about a movie about dreams I think. Maybe he meant it's playing in the theaters right now. I don't know, he didn't go deeper.
Is this some sort of Harry Potter reference?
Only if it involves Emma Watson.
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If DT played NOTHING but metal, than yea that Priester guy might do fine.
But that's what he is, a good metal drummer. Nothing more.
He plays like a machine, no groove, no soul, and plays rather generic drumming at that with a few cool ideas once in a while.
However if you take his exact set up, replace the drums with DW ones and the cymbals with Sabian.....I'd be a happy man.
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I'm really surprised that a community like this would have no knowledge of AP or an understanding of his capability.
I don't think that's it at all. I think most people here just haven't paid much attention to him because (1) he's an obscure drummer who has only played in obscure bands; and (2) nothing anyone has seen of him, including the video you just re-posted, really sets him apart from most of the drummers posted in this thread.
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I'm really surprised that a community like this would have no knowledge of AP or an understanding of his capability.
I don't think that's it at all. I think most people here just haven't paid much attention to him because (1) he's an obscure drummer who has only played in obscure bands; and (2) nothing anyone has seen of him, including the video you just re-posted, really sets him apart from most of the drummers posted in this thread.
I'd say he's set apart from Lang and Mangini and so forth.
Just not in a positive way.
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I feel like I'm on a Justin Bieber forum trying to explain who John Petrucci is. :lol
Well, I feel like I'm on a DT forum trying to explain what progressive music/drumming is...
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I really have not enjoyed any Mike Mangini videos. Marco Minneman would be my choice.
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I really have not enjoyed any Mike Mangini videos. Marco Minneman would be my choice.
Pretty much this. Either him or Lang.
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I'm wary of anyone who's set speed records on his respective instrument
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I'm wary of anyone who's set speed records on his respective instrument
Considering that he hasn't done much speed metal in his career, I say who cares?
Is speed a bad thing? Mangini is VERY tasteful.
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It's just a red flag for me. He may very well be tasteful, I'll have to check him out. Knowing nothing else, though, it scares me.
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It's just a red flag for me. He may very well be tasteful, I'll have to check him out. Knowing nothing else, though, it scares me.
How? Petrucci and Rudess are crazy fast. How is that bad?
If he did nothing but speedy things, that would be bad.
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It's just a red flag for me. He may very well be tasteful, I'll have to check him out. Knowing nothing else, though, it scares me.
How? Petrucci and Rudess are crazy fast. How is that bad?
If he did nothing but speedy things, that would be bad.
Being fast isn't bad, I never said that!
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Then why would it make you worried? Do good things worry you?
Like do you worry when someone says "if you go outside then you will be surrounded by naked women and unicorns"?
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But that's what he is, a good metal drummer. Nothing more.
Why do you assume he can play nothing but metal? A more logical assumption would be that someone with that level of skill could probably have success in anything they pursue.
He plays like a machine, no groove, no soul, and plays rather generic drumming at that with a few cool ideas once in a while.
This is the universal cop out response for many musical discussions. I can't count the number of times I've read that exact same statement about everyone from Portnoy, to Peart, Wildoer, (insert any musician here). Since terms like "groove" and "soul" are completely indefinable, there really isn't a way to respond to a statement like that other than to disagree (which I do).
I don't think that's it at all. I think most people here just haven't paid much attention to him because (1) he's an obscure drummer who has only played in obscure bands; and (2) nothing anyone has seen of him, including the video you just re-posted, really sets him apart from most of the drummers posted in this thread.
I guess I'm just surprised by it because I've always heard such high praise for his playing in drum circles. AP in my experience has always been one of those figures like Paul Gilbert. Most people won't have any idea who he is, but those that do know him to be a god at what he does.
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Then why would it make you worried? Do good things worry you?
Like do you worry when someone says "if you go outside then you will be surrounded by naked women and unicorns"?
Unicorns have pointy horns. Those are dangerous.
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I get what antigoon is saying. Wouldn't be cool with a drummer like how e.g. Michael Angelo is in the guitar world (I have the impression that he is all about speed, maybe I'm wrong)...
Anywho, I'm positive that Mangini isn't all about speed, even though one perhaps might think so after hearing that he has some speed record... :)
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But that's what he is, a good metal drummer. Nothing more.
Why do you assume he can play nothing but metal? A more logical assumption would be that someone with that level of skill could probably have success in anything they pursue.
Because that's not a logical assumption. That's you being a big fan and seeing what you want to see.
My guess is the drummer for Kamelot could play everything I saw in any AP video so far. Do you think Casey Grillo could play in DT?
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Looking at those Mangini vids now, he does some cool stuff, especially in that Vai solo, but I think I still like Minnemann better. Pulling for him most of all. I can understand Antigoon's concern over Mangini's speed record, sort of a "he's fast, but is he just going to play fast stuff just because he can, or can he still bring tasteful, melodic drumming to DT, similar but not exactly like the way Portnoy would?"
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Yeah, what they said. It's cool he can play fast -- I'd be a bit concerned if he couldn't. But when someone has a speed record I worry it's all he focuses on.
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I think if anyone listens to either Mullmuzzler album or EoP, they can see that Mangini is hardly about speed.
By the way, I'm still hoping for Lang.
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Because that's not a logical assumption. That's you being a big fan and seeing what you want to see.
You see a skilled drummer that plays well primarily in one genre and assume that's all he can do. I see a skilled drummer that plays well primarily in one genre and assume he could probably play well in other genres based on that level of skill. Your assumption is stubborn, my assumption is reasonable. Besides, DT is a metal band. It's not like we're talking about a big change from what he already does.
My guess is the drummer for Kamelot could play everything I saw in any AP video so far. Do you think Casey Grillo could play in DT?
I'm not at all familiar with Kamelot, and I've never heard of Casey Grillo.
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Because that's not a logical assumption. That's you being a big fan and seeing what you want to see.
You see a skilled drummer that plays well primarily in one genre and assume that's all he can do. I see a skilled drummer that plays well primarily in one genre and assume he could probably play well in other genres based on that level of skill. Your assumption is stubborn, my assumption is reasonable. Besides, DT is a metal band. It's not like we're talking about a big change from what he already does.
lol, for srs
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Because that's not a logical assumption. That's you being a big fan and seeing what you want to see.
You see a skilled drummer that plays well primarily in one genre and assume that's all he can do. I see a skilled drummer that plays well primarily in one genre and assume he could probably play well in other genres based on that level of skill. Your assumption is stubborn, my assumption is reasonable. Besides, DT is a metal band. It's not like we're talking about a big change from what he already does.
lol, for srs
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This.
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lol at ppl being uptight about how progressive the new drummer may or may not be. DT hasn't really been progressive in years. Technical? Yes. Progressive? Barely. I think those of you who are expecting them to hire a really proggy drummer and start sounding more like Genesis or King Crimson are going to be really disappointed.
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lol at ppl being uptight about how progressive the new drummer may or may not be. DT hasn't really been progressive in years. Technical? Yes. Progressive? Barely.
That's an interesting perspective. I don't entirely agree (the song Octavarium jumps to mind), but interesting nevertheless.
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lol at ppl being uptight about how progressive the new drummer may or may not be. DT hasn't really been progressive in years. Technical? Yes. Progressive? Barely.
That's an interesting perspective. I don't entirely agree (the song Octavarium jumps to mind), but interesting nevertheless.
I think what he means is DT haven't really evolved passed their core sound, which is true. But they're still progressive. Very few progressive bands branch out far beyond their original contribution to prog.
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If DT played NOTHING but metal, than yea that Priester guy might do fine.
But that's what he is, a good metal drummer. Nothing more.
He plays like a machine, no groove, no soul, and plays rather generic drumming at that with a few cool ideas once in a while.
However if you take his exact set up, replace the drums with DW ones and the cymbals with Sabian.....I'd be a happy man.
That's a rather dumb statement... Priester can play just about anything he wants to. Guys like him aren't limited by genre; they're that good. Have you not seen this guy's Latin drumming? Also, I realize that "groove" and "soul" are in the eyes of the beholder, but.....really? Generic drumming? My vote still goes for Lang or Mangini.
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Because that's not a logical assumption. That's you being a big fan and seeing what you want to see.
You see a skilled drummer that plays well primarily in one genre and assume that's all he can do. I see a skilled drummer that plays well primarily in one genre and assume he could probably play well in other genres based on that level of skill. Your assumption is stubborn, my assumption is reasonable. Besides, DT is a metal band. It's not like we're talking about a big change from what he already does.
For the past 2 albums, I can see that guy doing just fine. Even stuff from Images and Words and Awake maybe.
But can you really picture this guy playing a song like Octavarium or TALW?
And no, it's not logical to assume that because he's good at playing 1 genre, that he's good at playing others. He has to show signs of it. He lacks dynamics, he lacks groove, hand so forth. Therefor even if is able to play those other styles, it's not logical to assume it based on what we've seen.
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Holy shit Adami I just saw your post count.....wow, do you have a life other than the forum?
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Holy shit Adami I just saw your post count.....wow, do you have a life other than the forum?
Dude.
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TROLL ALERT
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Holy shit Adami I just saw your post count.....wow, do you have a life other than the forum?
Dude.
Damn, that was fast! Not a troll, sorry to disappoint, just amazed at your post count that's all...
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Holy shit Adami I just saw your post count.....wow, do you have a life other than the forum?
Dude.
Damn, that was fast! Not a troll, sorry to disappoint, just amazed at your post count that's all...
Listen, I'm really sorry that I don't think your AP guy is the best drummer in the world. But you do NOT have to get personal with me.
If you continue to act like that around here, you wont last very long.
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:corn
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Holy shit Adami I just saw your post count.....wow, do you have a life other than the forum?
Dude.
Damn, that was fast! Not a troll, sorry to disappoint, just amazed at your post count that's all...
Listen, I'm really sorry that I don't think your AS guy is the best drummer in the world. But you do NOT have to get personal with me.
If you continue to act like that around here, you wont last very long.
Look dude, first off I'm not getting personal or attacking you. Better let that shit go; this is the internet. People have opinions. People are going to comment on each other's opinions. I saw yours, and answered with mine. That's the way it goes. While I disagree with yours, I am not getting wound up over it. I'm not imposing anything on you at all, nor am I attacking you. Also, don't warn me on how to act as if I'm your kid or something; I'm not acting in any way that is out of the ordinary, this is a discussion board.....and if I don't last long, it's quite alright; it ain't going to break my heart.
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"that's quite a dumb statement" and implying that I spend all of my time on here and have no life......simply because I don't think AP should be in DT isn't how discussions work around here.
And you might actually be my kid. Who's your mom? Did I hit that?
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:corn
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Look dude, first off I'm not getting personal or attacking you. Better let that shit go; this is the internet.
Yeah Adami. This guy is the authority on what the internet is all about. You better get that straight.
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"that's quite a dumb statement" and implying that I spend all of my time on here and have no life......simply because I don't think AP should be in DT isn't how discussions work around here.
And you might actually be my kid. Who's your mom? Did I hit that?
Probably not, but you never know :P
At any rate, note taken. 'Preciates it.
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I like how the troll keeps trying to redeem herself in some way only to come back with more outlandish statements. And in only 5 posts. That's interesting.
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I like how the troll keeps trying to redeem herself in some way only to come back with more outlandish statements. And in only 5 posts. That's interesting.
Her?
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lol whoops, he reminded me of a woman trying to talk a man down.
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lol whoops, he reminded me of a woman trying to talk a man down.
If it were a woman I would have played it cool in the attempts to hit it.
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Dang, maybe the troll is right, you need to get a life :neverusethis:
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Dang, maybe the troll is right, you need to get a life :neverusethis:
Oh I totally need to get a life. Doesn't make getting a life any easier though.
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I like how the troll keeps trying to redeem herself in some way only to come back with more outlandish statements. And in only 5 posts. That's interesting.
I like how you're a typical "prog nerd" who spends all his time on this forum, and has names for normal people like me who occasionally stop by. I like how you measure your self-worth by your post count; the way you put "noobs" down by trying to intimidate them, while only coming across like someone who has way too much time on their hands, as a result of a sad life. God forbid there are lots of different types of DT fans, with different opinions. I also like how you support your "buddies" on this forum, as if you actually give a shit. I like that, nice going. I like how you think I need to redeem myself, or "earn" your respect.
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I feel like I just gave Jimmy aids.
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Dang, you made me realize how sad my life really is. I'ma go cry now, Adami hold me and tell me it's gonna...it's gonna be alright. :'(
By the way, I welcome "n00bs", but not trolls. Big difference. In short, you do not attempt to earn any respect (I take it you didn't read the rules) and you start posting and trolling a single thread with comments that belittle other members. Of course others are going to harp on you.
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We may spend too much time on the internet, Pumpkin Pie. But if you're going to hang around, it's best not to stand in the doorway personally insulting everyone who has a disagreement with you.
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Yes! I am no longer at the bottom of the pile of members on this forum! Thanks to our new guy
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Pumpkin Pie, you're a really cool guy. I'm so glad we have a noob as calm, thoughtful, and well-spoken as you are.
As for AP, he's all right. Don't see anything really special, and it actually is a logical argument to not assume a drummer can do anything because they're focused in one genre. Say you have a really good latin drummer. Could they jump into a super-prog band like King Crimson or Unexpect? Probably not. Actually, the only way I could really see a drummer who's really great in one style excel in all the others is a jazz drummer. AP is no jazz drummer from what I've seen. I've already mentioned who I'd rather see behind the drum kit of DT, won't mention it again to keep from sounding like a broken record.
@SystematicThought: I don't recall you doing anything outlandish or disrespectful that put you at the bottom of the noob pile. You're all right in my book unless someone shows me why you shouldn't be.
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Welcome to the forum, Punkin Pie! :metal
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I may have created a few threads that were rather... stupid and generally don't talk to anyone on the forum, therefore have never really felt comfortable posting here
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I was the same way once. My first thread was a horrible attempt to copy RobWebster's genius "DT misheard" video with "Constant Motion," where I actually had no idea what they were saying :lol. It gets better, just takes time, maturity, and good posts.
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Pumpkin Pie, Adami, and James, you all get a week off for flaming, baiting, and derailing the thread with pointless bickering. PC, by sticking your nose in the middle of it, accusing someone of being a troll, and postin that .gif, you are one step away yourself. If someone is breaking the rules, report them. Don't fan the flames if you want to stay out of trouble.
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Eek.
Anyway, I'm gonna be honest right here: I don't really notice what drummers do all that much, so it actually makes little difference to me now. But I'm expecting Mangini to get the job any day now.
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Jordan's Tweet:
"Looking forward to being surrounded by keyboards and jammin with drummer Marco Minnemann and Daniel J on december 15th. www.bandcrashers.com"
Can the name of the drummer be a hint at all?
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It means that he's definitely in the running.
Basically all the evidence points to either him or Mangini.
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I thought this last night:
What if they got both a new drummer and a second guitar player?
I know that's totally not what we are expecting, but MP leaving wasn't expected either.
Reactions?
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I thought this last night:
What if they got both a new drummer and a second guitar player?
I know that's totally not what we are expecting, but MP leaving wasn't expected either.
Reactions?
a second guitar player? No way man... just dont see it happening :) I dont have any reasons to back it up or anything but there is just no way :D
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Well, let's say MM is the new drummer, and Jordan's announcement is really the big announcement of the new drummer.
(No way they'd do that though, but you'll never know)
So JR and MM play that show, and all of a sudden the other DT guys come on. Wouldn't be an implausible situation.
But then we'd have Daniel J, just sitting there. See what I mean?
On the other hand, what I do think that happened is some musical chemistry between Jordan and Marco during the auditions, and they just decided to play together once.
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Actually now that I think about it, Jordan is saying he is "looking forward" to jamming with Minnemann... Possibly Minnemann was NOT one of the people that auditioned because if he was then they already jammed a bunch of times when he did audition. From the sound of the tweet, it seems like they never jammed before OR they jammed a really long time ago.
Idk i think i might be over analyzing, i gotta stop before I go too far...
thoughts?
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I don't think that DT would get a second guitarist. JP has stated that he doesn't really want to have a second guitarist by his side, so I'm sure we could rule it out.
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Why would they need a second guitarist when they already have God on guitar?
Oh and a bassplayer that doubles the guitars and a keyboard player who spends most of his time sounding like a guitar!
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I don't think that DT would get a second guitarist. JP has stated that he doesn't really want to have a second guitarist by his side, so I'm sure we could rule it out.
This.
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If Minnemann is the chosen one (and that's a big IF there...), then JR's excitement to jam with him might be coming from the overall excitement all the DT members are feeling right now about their new drummer. (hm, okay, I forgot about JMX, but how would we know about his point of view? :p)
Also, since it's a jamming situation, something for the DT 11 album might come from this jamming! ;)
(again, supposing that Minnemann is the one...)
In case Minnemann has auditioned and wasn't chosen or hasn't auditioned at all, I can understand JR's excitement - should be fun to jam with fantastic players outside of your regular band! :)
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Maybe Minnemann is not the chosen one, but because he is such a great player, Jordan wanted to do something with him, since he won't be able to work with him in DT.
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Pumpkin Pie, Adami, and James, you all get a week off for flaming, baiting, and derailing the thread with pointless bickering. PC, by sticking your nose in the middle of it, accusing someone of being a troll, and postin that .gif, you are one step away yourself. If someone is breaking the rules, report them. Don't fan the flames if you want to stay out of trouble.
Argh, my bad, but here comes the ban.
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Jordan's Tweet:
"Looking forward to being surrounded by keyboards and jammin with drummer Marco Minnemann and Daniel J on december 15th. www.bandcrashers.com"
Can the name of the drummer be a hint at all?
God I hope he is. But in relation to this twitter post, I would say what most likely happened was that Marco was informed that he did not get the position, but insisted on keeping in touch for the sake of future side projects i.e. this Jam. Although I've said it before: the way that Jordan and Minnemann think about music, in particular the choice of time signatures they tend to use, are very similar, and they would gel together really well. Who knows...
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The guys have gone out of their way to be pretty secretive about this whole drummer thing, so I highly doubt Jordan would drop the selectee's name like that in a tweet before the official announcement. Also, to think that it's narrowed down to Mangini or Minneman (sp?) is also useless, as there are plenty of candidates other than two of the more well known progressive drummers. What evidence is there pointing to either one, other than a few other drummers being weeded out, and Jordan's probably over analyzed tweet?
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Its how he says "drummer" Marco Minneman and Daniel J.
I really hope so. Marco is amazing.
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I was the same way once. My first thread was a horrible attempt to copy RobWebster's genius "DT misheard" video with "Constant Motion," where I actually had no idea what they were saying :lol. It gets better, just takes time, maturity, and good posts.
I had a genius "DT misheard" video?
("Shut up and take the compliment, Rob. Shut up and take the compliment...")
Fuck, I'm ace.
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DAMMIT! :facepalm: I meant RobD. Just got the awesome Rob-like British people mixed up in my head.
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So, at this point, it's either Mike Mangini or Marco Minneman?
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So, at this point, it's either Mike Mangini or Marco Minneman?
We know nothing of the sort. All that's been said has been pretty much only speculation. Only the DT guys know.
B.Lee
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Mangini's clearly the frontrunner. Rumbo's post about him cancelling his Berkelee classes is the only piece of real evidence we've seen pointing to any conclusion. And it's pretty convincing.
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Can the name of the drummer be a hint at all?
Marco Minneman = MM
MM = Mike Mangini
there you go...
Tin
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Can the name of the drummer be a hint at all?
Marco Minneman = MM
MM = Mike Mangini
there you go...
Tin
Marilyn Manson. :eek
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Marilyn Monroe! :omg:
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My Mother!!!
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or Mickey Mouse...
Tin
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My Mother!!!
Really? From what I've heard, she's way to fat to play the drums.
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My Mother!!!
She's way to busy banging me to be banging any drums.
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Guys, guys. It's my mother. Why are you guys so rude to me? :'(
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Mangini's clearly the frontrunner. Rumbo's post about him cancelling his Berkelee classes is the only piece of real evidence we've seen pointing to any conclusion. And it's pretty convincing.
Where was I? Ok yeah, kinda have to agree after hearing that.
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So, at this point, it's either Mike Mangini or Marco Minneman?
I'm pretty sure Thomas Lang is still in the running.
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New DT drummer at the 45 second mark of this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BWhvIlFVE&feature=player_embedded#! :metal
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New DT drummer at the 45 second mark of this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BWhvIlFVE&feature=player_embedded#! :metal
Fucking br00tal dude.
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Anyone who wants Mangini over Marco Minneman is delusional. Marco's playing is way more musical and perfect for DT. I think he is more talented than Mangini as well.
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New DT drummer at the 45 second mark of this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BWhvIlFVE&feature=player_embedded#! :metal
Fucking br00tal dude.
Fucking bl00pal dude :millahhhh
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Why does the new drummer have to be the sickest drummer in the world? That's not what it should be about, the most important question is does whoever he is fit?
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plus his name is Mike. +1..
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Why does the new drummer have to be the sickest drummer in the world? That's not what it should be about, the most important question is does whoever he is fit?
He doesn't have to be, but there's no reason that a person couldn't be both.
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fodder for the rumor mill
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=109670739104607&id=123721530983535
The last DT drummer was teaching a student named Max how to drum........... :eek
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fodder for the rumor mill
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=109670739104607&id=123721530983535
The last DT drummer was teaching a student named Max how to drum........... :eek
what does this post have to do with dt? ah, i wont bother to explain it.
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fodder for the rumor mill
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=109670739104607&id=123721530983535
The last DT drummer was teaching a student named Max how to drum........... :eek
what does this post have to do with dt? ah, i wont bother to explain it.
If you go to the link, one of Mike Mangini's students says on FB that he had his last lesson with Mike for a while, as he's going to "busy" from now on. Apparently Mike also gets mad every time the kid brings up the DT possibility, making it more likely in his opinion.
Seems like a reasonable conclusion to me.
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fodder for the rumor mill
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=109670739104607&id=123721530983535
The last DT drummer was teaching a student named Max how to drum........... :eek
what does this post have to do with dt? ah, i wont bother to explain it.
If you go to the link, one of Mike Mangini's students says on FB that he had his last lesson with Mike for a while, as he's going to "busy" from now on. Apparently Mike also gets mad every time the kid brings up the DT possibility, making it more likely in his opinion.
Seems like a reasonable conclusion to me.
it is a reasonable conclusion, im not disagreeing.
oh, whats a dcrupi?
edit: to be honest, i do hope it ends up being mangini.
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If you go to the link, one of Mike Mangini's students says on FB that he had his last lesson with Mike for a while, as he's going to "busy" from now on. Apparently Mike also gets mad every time the kid brings up the DT possibility, making it more likely in his opinion.
Seems like a reasonable conclusion to me.
But maybe it's just that MiMa gets fed up with all these assumptions of him being the new DT drummer. Whether he has ended up being it or not does't hold any relevance there imo.
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Mangini playing some Rush :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biis2GFg6KA&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biis2GFg6KA&feature=related)
I think this is the closest we have to MM playing some DT.
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If it wasn't the Dream Theater gig why wouldn't Mangini just say what he's doing?
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If it wasn't the Dream Theater gig why wouldn't Mangini just say what he's doing?
+1
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fodder for the rumor mill
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=109670739104607&id=123721530983535
The last DT drummer was teaching a student named Max how to drum........... :eek
Maybe Mangini's going out on the road with some other band?
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Oh man, I really hope it's gonna be Mangini. Because that means there will be some sweet Boston accent in DT from there on :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeZOf3kVLN0&feature=related
Listen to how he says Antartica :lol
rumborak
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fodder for the rumor mill
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=109670739104607&id=123721530983535
The last DT drummer was teaching a student named Max how to drum........... :eek
Maybe Mangini's going out on the road with some other band?
Uh oh...
Is there even any point speculating anymore? There's no other reason why Mike Mangini would quit his spot at Berklee at exactly this time. I really hoped it was going to be Marco Minnemann.
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I am now officially sold on Minnemann AND Mangini. Either way I will be very happy. At the end of the day, DT know what will be best for them, and ultimately they will pick the best candidate, even if it is in fact Aquilles or someone of that nature.
Keep in mind, about minnemann, there is very little evidence to suggest that he is out at all; you could interpret Jordans' jam with him as to mean that he is the drummer and this is some sort of casual bonding activity, or that he didn't make the cut, but Jordan/minnemann tee'd up a jam because they are interested in each others playing style (as a result of the audition and conversations they had).
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I have to say, Minnemann is PERFECT for JR's solo stuff. He's like a metal-er version of Rod Morgenstein.
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Mangini playing some Rush :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biis2GFg6KA&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biis2GFg6KA&feature=related)
I think this is the closest we have to MM playing some DT.
Is it just me who thinks that was awful?
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Mangini playing some Rush :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biis2GFg6KA&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biis2GFg6KA&feature=related)
I think this is the closest we have to MM playing some DT.
Is it just me who thinks that was awful?
Drumming was good. Bad sounds quality for sure.
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Not really tasteful, true. But it's a drum teacher showing what he's got.
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Mangini playing some Rush :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biis2GFg6KA&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biis2GFg6KA&feature=related)
I think this is the closest we have to MM playing some DT.
Is it just me who thinks that was awful?
No. I have not seen *one* video of Mangini I have been remotely impressed by. Not one.
Marco on the otehr hand. . . .
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Oops double post...
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Looking at that fb post, the part where the OP says "he gets made when I mention it" is kind of odd. Why would he be mad about him speculating that he's going to play in DT if he got the gig and indeed will be playing in DT. If he did get the gig, most people would give a wink and a "wait and see."
Still, if he's "busy for a while," that could mean Mangini is just kind of weird and he'll be drumming for DT anyway. Still hoping for Marco.
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Looking at that fb post, the part where the OP says "he gets made when I mention it" is kind of odd. Why would he be mad about him speculating that he's going to play in DT if he got the gig and indeed will be playing in DT. If he did get the gig, most people would give a wink and a "wait and see."
Still, if he's "busy for a while," that could mean Mangini is just kind of weird and he'll be drumming for DT anyway. Still hoping for Marco.
Maybe he's getting mad because of all the legal mumbo jumbo going on in the background. He's probably got a contract with Berklee to teach for x amount of years. That has to be worked out before the DT stuff can start. Talking about it could jeopardize the whole thing.
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still hoping The "LANG"
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I'm not an expert on teaching in college professors hiring procedures, but teachers don't really sign contracts to teach at a school for X years. Its just a job that you can get fired from or quit. Colleges just tend to try and find people who aren't looking for a temporary thing when they hire professors. Maybe Berklee operates differently, but I have a feeling that's not really the case.
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HA! epic fail.. disregard my last post!!! Edited now
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Marco Minnemman ? :D
I have strange feeling that new drummer will be someone from the shadow..
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At this point, I'd be happy with either Mangini or Minnemann. Both are amazing drummers from what I can tell, and both of them seem to be really cool guys.
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At this point, I'd be happy with either Mangini or Minnemann. Both are amazing drummers from what I can tell, and both of them seem to be really cool guys.
My feelings exactly. :tup
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Mangini is a god. :hefdaddy seems really humble and loves what he does. i think he'd be a good fit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Gxut0odyc
watch that and tell me he's not a badass!
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I'm sure we'll have a drum solo during the next tour so everybody can see how good the new drummer is.
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I'm sure we'll have a drum solo during the next tour so everybody can see how good the new drummer is.
I heard they plan on covering Back In Black in it's entirety also, so we can see there, too.
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I'm sure we'll have a drum solo during the next tour so everybody can see how good the new drummer is.
...or bad. :eek
I kid, but yeah...I'd like it if they had a drum solo on the album itself but somehow I doubt it.
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I'm sure we'll have a drum solo during the next tour so everybody can see how good the new drummer is.
I heard they plan on covering Back In Black in it's entirety also, so we can see there, too.
lol
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Mangini is a god. :hefdaddy seems really humble and loves what he does. i think he'd be a good fit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Gxut0odyc
watch that and tell me he's not a badass!
Exactly. Anyone who can say he doesn't impress has something wrong with them. Whether you subjectively like him or not is another story, but you can't really say he isn't extremely impressive.
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Unless you're not impressed, because that's another level of subjectivity.
You can't deny he has technical skill though.
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Unless you're not impressed, because that's another level of subjectivity.
You can't deny he has technical skill though.
He's definitely fast and powerful, I just haven't ever seen him play a memorable groove. :blush Marco Minnemann on the other hand seems to have no trouble making complex patterns sound fluid, and he puts a lot of "detail" into every note. Don't get me wrong, Mangini is definitely great, otherwise he wouldn't be so respected, I just think Minnemann has a goofier attitude that goes well with the prog rock side of DT that I like.
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Technically impressive but ear-pleasing ? Not to me.
If all he's gonna do in DT is do 1,024 BPM drum fills, i'm out.
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Hum.. another hypothesis using the fact that they haven't announced it yet and are really taking care of keeping it secret:
Choosen one: Aquiles Priester
They haven't announced it because they are waiting for his Work Visa (there is a chance inmigration can say no). It haven't been leaked from a good "truthful" source because they (good sources) know it can fall if he doesn't get the visa.
Just an hypothesis tho, i still hope it's Lang!
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I really hope not! He is a washed up metal dude. Dream Theater need finesse, something that AP does not have. What is with all the talk about AP? He shouldn't even be considered. Marco is def my first choice. He would complete the virtuosity that DT need, and that MP lacked,
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I'm still pulling for Thomas Lang! :)
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I'm now routing for Minneman or Lang. But mostly Minneman.
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If all he's gonna do in DT is do 1,024 BPM drum fills, i'm out.
:lol The fact that you'd even consider that as a possibility is hilarious, and shows that you're not being at all rational.
Also check out this post from earlier in the thread which really showcases Mangini's versatility:
Mangini clips:
Great early career drumsolo with Extreme (tasteful, fast, double bass, polyrhythmic)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um24wnmC3xs
WFD world record: 1203 single strokes in a minute!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7TzWrKso4I
His most famous drumsolo, on tour with Steve Vai this has everything:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31c-FL0ZlZ0
Incredibly tasty groovy solo, bird view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1EhMdqE51c
A 10 minute solo, sit this one through and you know he's really one of the best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyaFL24Zu8c
And to show he's an awesome person:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQTBtkB_mWQ
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I've been rooting for Lang from the start, but after watching some more videos, I would be just as happy with Mangini.
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If all he's gonna do in DT is do 1,024 BPM drum fills, i'm out.
:lol The fact that you'd even consider that as a possibility is hilarious, and shows that you're not being at all rational.
Perhaps but not totally unfounded since most of the videos i've seen are him just going as fast as he can. . .
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Well, for a start you clearly haven't bothered watching the videos that people have been posting.
Plus, the same can be said for pretty much all technically proficient drummers. People post vids on youtube to show off their chops, often doing drum-only solos. Has no bearing on how they play within bands on different styles.
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Though my favorite to fill the position is Lang, Mangini is more than capable. The good thing is that whether it's Mangini or Lang or even Minnemann DT will raise the bar drumming wise, and that can only be a good thing. To me drum solos are not the ideal place to evaluate the player's creativity as most of the time they are just showing off their technical skills.
Most of what I've heard from Mangini (The 3 LaBrie albums, Extreme (Waiting for the Punchline) and Annihilator) he plays really solid, and tastefully, yet in my opinion nothing to write home about, to me honest if it were for those recorded performances alone I would've never thought of him as a candidate. Granted none of those recordings feature music as complex as DT's. I'm sure he can pull it off and then some.
What I've heard from Lang, is mostly he's instrumental album StOrk, the music has a lot in common with DT in terms of progressiveness and heaviness, his performance is very creative and simply mind blowing, I guess that is why I tend to side with Lang.
When all is said and done, we will end up with DT with an incredible drummer plus the benefil of having discovered lots of new music with increadible drumming along the way, I know I have.
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To me drum solos are not the ideal place to evaluate the player's creativity as most of the time they are just showing off their technical skills.
That's what I was trying to get at, but you worded it more coherently. :lol
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I'm more inclined towards Lang and Minnemann's prowess and skill, but Mangini is OK in my book. Also, this:
To me drum solos are not the ideal place to evaluate the player's creativity as most of the time they are just showing off their technical skills.
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I think Lang, Mangini and Minnemann would all do a awesome job for DT, and i can't really choose because they all got their qualities. But if I had to chose, i guess i think Lang is the most interesting one. Everyone else than these three would probably be a dissappointment though. And kinda off topic, the only one that could've been replaced in DT is Portnoy, Petrucci and Myung is irreplacable.
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Welcome to DTF. :tup
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To me drum solos are not the ideal place to evaluate the player's creativity as most of the time they are just showing off their technical skills.
Agreed; a really good groove is where you evaluate creativity. That and how their drumming fits the music.
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If all he's gonna do in DT is do 1,024 BPM drum fills, i'm out.
When I was at NEARFest in June I saw both Mangini and Minnemann play in Eddie Jobson's project. Both were outstanding. The highlight of the show for me was a cover of Starless. Both of them definitely were true to the original. Never once did I feel they were overdoing the parts. Of course in the 2nd half of the song they started showing off a bit but that is what Bruford did in the original. Having seen them both at this performance I'd definitely be happy with either of them in DT.
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Everyone here's forgetting Mangini played on Elements of Persuasion, which is a solid album drumming wise. Granted, MP was more than solid and I'd hope Mangini stepped up his game, but a lack of flashy Youtube videos shouldn't lead people to conclude he will suck.
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I think Lang, Mangini and Minnemann would all do a awesome job for DT, and i can't really choose because they all got their qualities. But if I had to chose, i guess i think Lang is the most interesting one. Everyone else than these three would probably be a dissappointment though. And kinda off topic, the only one that could've been replaced in DT is Portnoy, Petrucci and Myung is irreplacable.
Eh... You could replace Myung even easier than Portnoy. I love the guy to death, but he does much less for DT than Portnoy did.
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Everyone here's forgetting Mangini played on Elements of Persuasion, which is a solid album drumming wise. Granted, MP was more than solid and I'd hope Mangini stepped up his game, but a lack of flashy Youtube videos shouldn't lead people to conclude he will suck.
I agree... It's not easy to find videos where we get to see his creative work in songs, but on that album theres lot of interesting drum work, wich proves he has the capability to make something.
Welcome to DTF. :tup
Thanks :)
Eh... You could replace Myung even easier than Portnoy. I love the guy to death, but he does much less for DT than Portnoy did.
Yeah, you're right. that statement was a bit objective, as i think the true core of DT is myung and petrucci. But I've just always looked at it, as portnoy was one guy and the rest is the band. Probably because Portnoys stands out much more as a personality, but i think I'd hear a bigger difference in the music if rudess, labrie or petrucci left than what we will hear now that MP is gone. Sorry if it doesn't make sense, my english isn't all that great!
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After finally diving into Marco Minnemann's drumming, I can say I'd love to have him in DT.
Extremely versatile, great sound, could really bring DT back to life.
But the same goes for Lang (maybe more creative, less versatile) and Mangini (great person, great technique, very creative). If it's either of those three I'll be very happy.
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Just another Mangini video but look what he does around 1:09 -->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiRnx6IkRJE
He is absolutely amazing!!!!!!!!!!
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Here's a solo he did in May 2010. Pretty awesome. This is the first part of the solo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-AqeYFdSjY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
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Not sure if it's been posted yet, but this is another awesome Mangini video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNlCd5b3bU4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNlCd5b3bU4)
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Just another Mangini video but look what he does around 1:09 -->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiRnx6IkRJE
He is absolutely amazing!!!!!!!!!!
:eek Errrr.... Ok i'm speechless.
It actually looks like the footage has been sped up. . . *brain melting*
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Just another Mangini video but look what he does around 1:09 -->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiRnx6IkRJE
He is absolutely amazing!!!!!!!!!!
Fucking hell!
I'm starting to get the fuss about Mike Mangini.
I don't think he can add as much musically as Marco Minnemann... but the man's a WIZARD behind the drums. If that video's anything to go by, Mangini is to Portnoy as Rudess is to Sherinian. Jesus christ!
It's a while since I've been genuinely awestruck by drumming. Impressed, but wow.
Becoming steadily more psyched...
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Just another Mangini video but look what he does around 1:09 -->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiRnx6IkRJE
He is absolutely amazing!!!!!!!!!!
:eek Errrr.... Ok i'm speechless.
It actually looks like the footage has been sped up. . . *brain melting*
+1
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Just another Mangini video but look what he does around 1:09 -->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiRnx6IkRJE
He is absolutely amazing!!!!!!!!!!
:eek Errrr.... Ok i'm speechless.
It actually looks like the footage has been sped up. . . *brain melting*
It does! :lol
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Now that was a wank if I've ever seen one.
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Okay, so I've watched a few of his videos, but I'm still not feeling it. Yeah, he can drum faster than time itself, but I'm not sensing a lot of creativity. Is anyone aware of any good videos that show him playing a song rather than a solo?
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@sonata, well yeah, and by that logic he's perfect for Dream Theater. :P
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I changed my vote from Lang to Mangini just because some signs point to him, so now my bet would go to him.
however as i think Mike Mangini has all the credentials and chops for the job his weird drum kit set up and especially his awful drum sound are a complete turn off for me. :-[
i'm still hoping something happens and Lang gets the job...
Tin
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Okay, so I've watched a few of his videos, but I'm still not feeling it. Yeah, he can drum faster than time itself, but I'm not sensing a lot of creativity. Is anyone aware of any good videos that show him playing a song rather than a solo?
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@sonata, well yeah, and by that logic he's perfect for Dream Theater. :P
Have you not listened to Labrie's Mullmuzzler albums and Elements of Persuasion? They all have Mangini on them. That stuff is more straight rock and metal than prog, but even a song like Crucify has some really awesome drum work from Mangini.
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Yeah, check out the song afterlife from Mullmuzzler 2. That song has pretty cool, yet sometimes simple groove that shows he can gel with a band and not go bananas crazy on the drums.
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Just another Mangini video but look what he does around 1:09 -->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiRnx6IkRJE
He is absolutely amazing!!!!!!!!!!
Wow. That is legitimately incredible, and it honestly was pretty stylish playing in the beginning...I could really dig that kind of stuff. The speed sure is impressive (though not if it results in endless Petrucci/Rudess/Mangini wanking in DT11).
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Yeah, check out the song afterlife from Mullmuzzler 2. That song has pretty cool, yet sometimes simple groove that shows he can gel with a band and not go bananas crazy on the drums.
Wow man.. i had never listen this song before... labrie sounds very freddie mercurysh there.
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Yeah, you're right. that statement was a bit objective, as i think the true core of DT is myung and petrucci. But I've just always looked at it, as portnoy was one guy and the rest is the band. Probably because Portnoys stands out much more as a personality, but i think I'd hear a bigger difference in the music if rudess, labrie or petrucci left than what we will hear now that MP is gone. Sorry if it doesn't make sense, my english isn't all that great!
Makes perfect sense. English looks great man.
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Yeah, you're right. that statement was a bit objective, as i think the true core of DT is myung and petrucci. But I've just always looked at it, as portnoy was one guy and the rest is the band. Probably because Portnoys stands out much more as a personality, but i think I'd hear a bigger difference in the music if rudess, labrie or petrucci left than what we will hear now that MP is gone. Sorry if it doesn't make sense, my english isn't all that great!
Makes perfect sense. English looks great man.
I think JR leaving would make the biggest difference, because there really aren't keyboard wizards in the world that could recreate not only his style and technicality, but his rig. I've heard a million guitarists emulate JP's sound to the hertz. Mike is also relatively easy to emulate by crazed fan drummers. LaBrie, again, would be hard to replace. If a song came on the radio that I didn't recognize, I'd probably recognize it as a new DT song if I heard JLB.
JM is a moot point, as he's been there since the early formative stages of the Universe, and will be there with his hair when the last protons decay and everything ends.
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JM is a moot point, as he's been there since the early formative stages of the Universe, and will be there with his hair when the last protons decay and everything ends.
You, good man, are a bag full of wisdom.
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Okay, so I've watched a few of his videos, but I'm still not feeling it. Yeah, he can drum faster than time itself, but I'm not sensing a lot of creativity. Is anyone aware of any good videos that show him playing a song rather than a solo?
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@sonata, well yeah, and by that logic he's perfect for Dream Theater. :P
Have you not listened to Labrie's Mullmuzzler albums and Elements of Persuasion? They all have Mangini on them. That stuff is more straight rock and metal than prog, but even a song like Crucify has some really awesome drum work from Mangini.
Oh, yeah, I have heard those albums, I just forgot Mangini was on them. I haven't listened to them in quite a while though (certainly not since before Portnoy left) so I'll have to give them another spin to focus on the drumming.
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OK so I'm not sure why this isn't getting much mention: Rudess and Minnemann having a live stream jam on bandcrashers.com in 20 hours time! (as per this post). its $5 credit card (payment is simple). I cannot wait! and i do hope this is the first step of minnemann being incorporated into DT.
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OK so I'm not sure why this isn't getting much mention: Rudess and Minnemann...
Likely because it's completely irrelevant to the issue of who the new drummer will be.
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Maybe Mangini is going to work for Avenged Sevenfold. I really can't see J.P and J.R picking him over Minneman.
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Maybe Mangini is going to work for Avenged Sevenfold. I really can't see J.P and J.R picking him over Minneman.
Uh...*head explodes*
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Wow, Mangini huh? He can definitely do just about anything with either hand or foot. But I dunno, he doesn't really seem to groove very well. Check out those covers he does on YouTube. Cult of Personality and Brick House are completely awful. Hes fast and technical, has a big name and most likely has the gig at this point since he cancelled his classes. He also went to Berklee around the same time as the other DT guys so that would probably be a no-brainer. Hell, his name is Mike so they don't even have to think twice about the name of their drummer! hahaha
I don't know, Gavin Harrison hasn't been mentioned much on the forum and know a friend who saw all the members of DT at the NY Porcupine Tree show right around when Portnoy quit. Tweets around the time of the show confirm it on the DT members. He would have a groove and feel and be able to really bring DT to a new level IMHO.
Charlie Zeleny would still be the best option in my book especially if they wanted to go with a semi unknown guy. But they didn't even ask him it sounds like which is a drag since he does have some underground prog street cred with Blotted Science and Behold the Arctopus. Those vids of Dream Theater covers on his YouTube were out of control. His mainpage video on his YouTube had one of the most melodic drum solos with ostinatos I've heard in a while too actually. Kicks Mangini's ass in musicality. The dude is also the most versatile drummer I've heard since he actually can swing, groove, rock, play metal, blast beats and do Portnoy's parts spot on perfect.
The other dude that is out of control is Bobby Jarzombek, but its been confirmed he was out of town during the auditions. He could do anything any one of the other drummers could do and do it with cymbals behind his back! Best strict metal/prog drummer I've heard. So tight and amazing. He totally looks metal, would bring DT to the highest level and has tons of credits to boot (Fates Warning, Halford, Riot, Iced Earth & more). The stuff he does on his instructional DVD is insane as is his stuff with his brother Ron in Spastic Ink.
But since Charlie Z and Bobby Jarzombek are out, I would much prefer Lang or John Macaluso. They are more badass and hit the drums harder than most of the other guys. Neither of them have a goofy image like Marco Minnemann either. Virgil is too fusiony in my opinion, Mangini doesn't groove hard enough, Peter Wildoer is not tight enough or together enough as a player and Aquiles Priester is completely boring, monotone and just used Superior Drummer 2.0 over all the clips in his videos (using the mics to trigger a software program to give his drums that tone).
Watch, Dream Theater will pull a fast one and get Gene Hoglan to join and blow all of our minds! DT is the only band he hasn't played for really...(not really, but you know what I mean). :metal
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I don't know, Gavin Harrison hasn't been mentioned much on the forum and know a friend who saw all the members of DT at the NY Porcupine Tree show right around when Portnoy quit. Tweets around the time of the show confirm it on the DT members. He would have a groove and feel and be able to really bring DT to a new level IMHO.
PT is pretty much a full-time commitment, plus he already does other stuff. So I wouldn't count on it.
If Mangini's the guy, I think he'll do great. What you mentioned about groove might be a concern, but honestly, I'd think in that department he's about the same as MP. Plus, he's got some decent snare action. It'll be cool to hear some DT music with great snare action and maybe even some ghost notes.
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I hope Minnemann or Mangini gets the drummer spot, both are great drummers. And that Mangini video YtseJamittaja posted... :o
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JM is a moot point, as he's been there since the early formative stages of the Universe, and will be there with his hair when the last protons decay and everything ends.
Where's that clapping smiley? :tup
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Anyone considered Sean Reinhart?
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Anyone considered Sean Reinhart?
He's working on a new album with Cynic now, so that seems unlikely. I think he'd fit in well in DT though.
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OK so I'm not sure why this isn't getting much mention: Rudess and Minnemann...
Likely because it's completely irrelevant to the issue of who the new drummer will be.
oh yeah forgot minnemann wasn't in fact a drummer who is a likely candidate for the drum throne, and that it is highly unlikely that there is any correlation between this event and the topic of a new drummer. My bad. Please: resume taking peoples sentences out of its intended context.
Its in 12 hours now. It will be interesting to see the chemistry between these guys, regardless of whether minnemann is the drummer or not. psyched!
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OK so I'm not sure why this isn't getting much mention: Rudess and Minnemann...
Likely because it's completely irrelevant to the issue of who the new drummer will be.
Not entirely. This whole thread is mostly baseless speculation and overanalyzing everyone's twitter posts. It is entirely possible there's some kind of DT-related future with Marco. Personally, I hope there is.
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OK so I'm not sure why this isn't getting much mention: Rudess and Minnemann...
Likely because it's completely irrelevant to the issue of who the new drummer will be.
Not entirely. This whole thread is mostly baseless speculation and overanalyzing everyone's twitter posts. It is entirely possible there's some kind of DT-related future with Marco. Personally, I hope there is.
i hope as well
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lol its funny that Richard Christy is on the poll list.
its hard to take him seriously when you listen to the Howard Stern show every day
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One crazy little thought about the whole drummer issue : the guys are waiting for everything to be settled before making an announcement, right? What if it was MP who didn't want to let go and was making things difficult, legally I mean? Note that it's just pure speculation as almost everything in this thread.
B.Lee
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I doubt it.
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One crazy little thought about the whole drummer issue : the guys are waiting for everything to be settled before making an announcement, right? What if it was MP who didn't want to let go and was making things difficult, legally I mean? Note that it's just pure speculation as almost everything in this thread.
B.Lee
lol no
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The Roger Waters disease? Let's hope not.
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The Roger Waters disease? Let's hope not.
I hope not as well, it was just speculation.
On topic, it's too bad Bobby Jarzombek wasn't available at the time of the auditions. This guy is simply crazy!
B.Lee
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I don't know what Mike could be holding up legally, though I admittedly know very little about how this kind of stuff works. Mike has a right to royalties based on anything produced when he was a part of Dream Theater, but nothing going forward I would think.
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I don't know what Mike could be holding up legally, though I admittedly know very little about how this kind of stuff works. Mike has a right to royalties based on anything produced when he was a part of Dream Theater, but nothing going forward I would think.
I remember reading in various interviews over the years that DT members' contracts are such that they relinquish all royalty rights when they leave the band. It all goes into the central DT pot.
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I don't know what Mike could be holding up legally, though I admittedly know very little about how this kind of stuff works. Mike has a right to royalties based on anything produced when he was a part of Dream Theater, but nothing going forward I would think.
I remember reading in various interviews over the years that DT members' contracts are such that they relinquish all royalty rights when they leave the band. It all goes into the central DT pot.
Perhaps in songs that list "Dream Theater" as the composer. But what about songs or lyrics written specifically by Mike? He's not entitled to royalties The Best of Times is played on the radio somewhere? Seems odd to me though entirely possible.
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I don't know what Mike could be holding up legally, though I admittedly know very little about how this kind of stuff works. Mike has a right to royalties based on anything produced when he was a part of Dream Theater, but nothing going forward I would think.
I remember reading in various interviews over the years that DT members' contracts are such that they relinquish all royalty rights when they leave the band. It all goes into the central DT pot.
Perhaps in songs that list "Dream Theater" as the composer. But what about songs or lyrics written specifically by Mike? He's not entitled to royalties The Best of Times is played on the radio somewhere? Seems odd to me though entirely possible.
I... don't know.
I forget who described it, but gborland is essentially right. All of the money DT makes goes into one giant DT fund, and the band members are paid monthly salaries out of that giant pot.
So if MP leaves the band, he's obviously not entitled to that pot. Does this mean he gets no royalties from anything he's done with the band now that he's gone!?
A simple question to check this would be to see if KM, and DS get money from their DT releases.
Gborland might be onto the biggest unknown subplot of this whole thing.
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I guess this is why mp is so pissed off right now!
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Anyone considered Sean Reinhart?
He's working on a new album with Cynic now, so that seems unlikely. I think he'd fit in well in DT though.
Yeah true. I knew him and Paul were focused on Cynic and didn't think there would be a chance, but he is amazing and definitely would work well with DT.
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I guess this is why mp is so pissed off right now!
Lots of things seem to be going on in MP world. I find his not touring with Avenged Sevenfold after this year to be very disconcertingly unexpected.
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I guess this is why mp is so pissed off right now!
Lots of things seem to be going on in MP world. I find his not touring with Avenged Sevenfold after this year to be very disconcertingly unexpected.
When MP quit I'm sure he realized what financial repercussion it would have. Not being in the band no longer entitles him to money made by the band (assuming that is the arrangement they have)
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He's like the world's most famous drummer or something, I'll sure he'll work out a way not to work at Burger King. Not to mention he probably made like five billion billion dollars touring with A7X.
He made a choice, I'm sure he thought it was a good idea to quit rather than try to go on directly to a new album, and he probably thought there was no way the band could refuse him since he was some kind of defacto leader. Some times your choices are wrong, but I'm sure we all realized from the moment the news came that he made a mistake leaving. He could've kept his ego (oh no!) under control, and none of this would've happened, because I'm sure it wasn't just the desire to take a break that led to this. There was an unspoken consensus starting amongst a lot of fans that he was becoming a bad influence on the music, and even though most of us didn't say it out loud for fear of being banned by our respective forums, I think this is clear now.
He was the member with the blue braided beard, the tattoos, he was the one who took to communicating with the press alone, he became the face of DT, etc. He was the John Romero, the Roger Waters, the Russell Hammond of DT. You can't tell me nobody noticed there was an imbalance in the band, and one person is very unlikely to be right all the time in the choices they make for a group of people, especially when it involves their careers.
I hate being dramatic, but it's just my opinion. Honestly, he was the sole reason I literally stopped listening to DT after being a devoted, hardcore fan for years. Now I feel so excited to see what happens next.
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Mike is entitled to royalties to any song he wrote lyrics to or played on.
It's just the way the Music Industry works.
P.R.S pays an artist every time a song they played on or wrote is played anywhere i.e. Internet, Radio, Shop, TV etc...
You also get royalties from similar organisations for just being a guest musician on an album/ song.
Every time that song/ album is *physically* duplicated at the production plant - they pay out.
Mike has written a LOT of lyrics and played on a LOT of songs on different albums.
If he's smart - he's got all that streaming into his bank account.
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I don't know what Mike could be holding up legally, though I admittedly know very little about how this kind of stuff works. Mike has a right to royalties based on anything produced when he was a part of Dream Theater, but nothing going forward I would think.
I remember reading in various interviews over the years that DT members' contracts are such that they relinquish all royalty rights when they leave the band. It all goes into the central DT pot.
If that's true, then Kevin Moore must be damn close to being destitute. I figured those PMU royalties would help him out a bunch, but apparently they haven't.
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I don't know what Mike could be holding up legally, though I admittedly know very little about how this kind of stuff works. Mike has a right to royalties based on anything produced when he was a part of Dream Theater, but nothing going forward I would think.
I remember reading in various interviews over the years that DT members' contracts are such that they relinquish all royalty rights when they leave the band. It all goes into the central DT pot.
If that's true, then Kevin Moore must be damn close to being destitute. I figured those PMU royalties would help him out a bunch, but apparently they haven't.
Remember the line from "Raise the Knife"
"now he keeps the Publishing"
That's a reference to KM keeping the publishing rights that MP apparently thought he shouldn't have. I understand that there's a comeback line from KM on a an OSI song referring to the "leaving member contract".
So, clearly there's something in the band members' contracts on what happens when they leave the band. I'm pretty certain that they don't just suddenly lose all royalties or whatever.
The reference to the band being payed a salary out of a central pot of money is true, but I don't think that has any bearing on former members.
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Looking at Raise The Knife, this section is especially ironic now;
I'll take the blame for these things that I say
'Cause I had the heart and the will and the courage to stay
Every day
I won't walk away
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I don't know what Mike could be holding up legally, though I admittedly know very little about how this kind of stuff works. Mike has a right to royalties based on anything produced when he was a part of Dream Theater, but nothing going forward I would think.
I remember reading in various interviews over the years that DT members' contracts are such that they relinquish all royalty rights when they leave the band. It all goes into the central DT pot.
If that's true, then Kevin Moore must be damn close to being destitute. I figured those PMU royalties would help him out a bunch, but apparently they haven't.
Remember the line from "Raise the Knife"
"now he keeps the Publishing"
That's a reference to KM keeping the publishing rights that MP apparently thought he shouldn't have. I understand that there's a comeback line from KM on a an OSI song referring to the "leaving member contract".
So, clearly there's something in the band members' contracts on what happens when they leave the band. I'm pretty certain that they don't just suddenly lose all royalties or whatever.
The reference to the band being payed a salary out of a central pot of money is true, but I don't think that has any bearing on former members.
IIRC, former members were paid a certain amount of money so they would forfeit any royalties from any release.
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@ ZirconBlue: It's true that part of the lyrics of RTK are about Kevin Moore. However, it's only the latter verses ("I remember when you were the quiet type") not the first ones, which are more about the music industry.
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I don't know what Mike could be holding up legally, though I admittedly know very little about how this kind of stuff works. Mike has a right to royalties based on anything produced when he was a part of Dream Theater, but nothing going forward I would think.
Mike is making it very very difficult. The difficulties are commensurate in magnitude with what you would expect from a personality who would expect 4 members of a working band to stop working while he takes a multi-year "break".
Think of outlaws holding up a stagecoach and you'll have some idea of what is going on.
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I don't know what Mike could be holding up legally, though I admittedly know very little about how this kind of stuff works. Mike has a right to royalties based on anything produced when he was a part of Dream Theater, but nothing going forward I would think.
Mike is making it very very difficult. The difficulties are commensurate in magnitude with what you would expect from a personality who would expect 4 members of a working band to stop working while he takes a multi-year "break".
Think of outlaws holding up a stagecoach and you'll have some idea of what is going on.
Is this actually what is holding the hold up with the new drummer? this is a pretty full-on accusation. I think Portnoy would exercise good will to allow the other band members to continue, not to hold them back. Although, its understandable in the case involving the issue of royalties and other legal things of that nature. He's entitled to a fair go, consarnit!
So if he is holding them back, i doubt it's intentionally to prevent DT from moving forward.
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Is this actually what is holding the hold up with the new drummer? this is a pretty full-on accusation. I think Portnoy would exercise good will to allow the other band members to continue, not to hold them back. Although, its understandable in the case involving the issue of royalties and other legal things of that nature. He's entitled to a fair go, consarnit!
So if he is holding them back, i doubt it's intentionally to prevent DT from moving forward.
There is no hold up with the new drummer. That announcement will be coming very soon, however there is a mess to clean up and good will has been replaced by will of another kind.
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I think it would be fair that Mike keeps get his share of royalties. That whole contract thing is kinda weird. I am generally under the impression that when someone has song writing credits, they don't have to sell them or give them up once they leave a band...
I really hope the new drummer is Marco Minnemann.
Yes, Mangini is very fast, and I'm impressed by his technical abilities, but I feel like Marco is way beyond him creatively and musically. Mangini's playing with Annihilator isn't very special. Dave Lombardo could've done much much better.
IMHO, the only thing that really matters when it comes to a drummer is what he plays, in the context of the song. Now what he's able to play.
I'm not too impressed with Lang either. His solos are insane but the few videos I saw of him where he played actual songs were pretty boring.
However, I don't doubt that whoever the new DT drummer is, he'll find a way someone to show off his abilities because DT's music more than likely calls for it.
Mike may not be the most technical drummer on earth, but I've never heard someone like him who's constantly all over the place without overplaying. For instance, take a song like Misunderstood, it not much complicated by DT standards, but the drums ain't that simple.
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^ I agree with you about Thomas Lang. I have never been impressed with him at all, with the exception of some drumming ideas I saw him do on his DVD "creative control". But as an artist, he's not up to scratch with other drummers such as Minnemann; who has played with many musicians (I need not name artists. Do the comparisons for yourself: check out who Lang and Minnemann have played with and differentiate).
Mangini is fantastic, but the only thing that bugs me is those one armed fills that he does (alternating between left and right hands, with bursts of notes with each arm). It's sounds bloody fast! but at the same time too linear. And it wouldn't bug me at all if he didn't do them 60% of all fills.
I'm not going to harp on about Minnemann anymore. His performance with JR really spoke for itself... versatile, dynamic, creative, charismatic...I could go on forever baby! :D
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Hm, a drummer announcement at Christmas doesn't seem so unlikely now imo.
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The MP homepage and Facebook page has changed from "founding member and ex-drummer of Dream Theater" to ""founding member and drummer of Dream Theater"....strange..
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:justjen
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If he comes back after all of this, I will be raging.
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Zombie Mike Portnoy FTW!!! :loser: :facepalm:
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If he comes back after all of this, I will be raging.
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If he comes back after all of this, I will be raging.
Agreed. The only way I'd be happy with Portnoy in DT right now is if he said "guys... you go write the album. I'll stay out and just come and play the drum parts. It's your album, just think of me as a session drummer for this now." Somehow I don't see that happening.
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If he comes back after all of this, I will be raging.
Absolutely.
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I had a dream last night that Dream Theater picked the drummer from Black Sabbath as their new guy. I don't even listen to Black Sabbath.
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Mike is making it very very difficult. The difficulties are commensurate in magnitude with what you would expect from a personality who would expect 4 members of a working band to stop working while he takes a multi-year "break".
Think of outlaws holding up a stagecoach and you'll have some idea of what is going on.
I just can't accept this kind of statement without any further explanation. I mean what could Mike possibly want that's so bad? Royalties on the stuff he's already on? Sounds like he'd deserve that anyway.
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MP better not come back. That is just insane.
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It would be awesome if Mike Portnoy came back to Dream Theater!
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Mike is making it very very difficult. The difficulties are commensurate in magnitude with what you would expect from a personality who would expect 4 members of a working band to stop working while he takes a multi-year "break".
Think of outlaws holding up a stagecoach and you'll have some idea of what is going on.
I just can't accept this kind of statement without any further explanation. I mean what could Mike possibly want that's so bad? Royalties on the stuff he's already on? Sounds like he'd deserve that anyway.
What could he want that's so bad? Just for starters, and I do mean starters, think Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship/Starship.
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It would be awesome if Mike Portnoy came back to Dream Theater!
No, it wouldn't! All this fuss for nothing?!?!? For me, they would lose a LOT of credibility and given that the last 3 albums have been really mediocre in my book, I'd be done with DT.
B.Lee
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It would be awesome if Mike Portnoy came back to Dream Theater!
No, it wouldn't! All this fuss for nothing?!?!? For me, they would lose a LOT of credibility and given that the last 3 albums have been really mediocre in my book, I'd be done with DT.
B.Lee
2 words. Not Happening.
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I will be so angry if MP comes back. I was looking so forward to the next album and the new drummer. Plus it would be INCREDIBLY unfair to the drummers who auditioned and the guy that got the gig, only to be discarded immediately for Mike to come back to a job he says his heart isn't in right now. Wouldn't be fair to us either.
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It would be awesome if Mike Portnoy came back to Dream Theater!
I guess it would be
*Takes off sunglasses*
The usual madness.
YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If he comes back after all of this, I will be raging.
I know. The world won't be able to contain my rage and my fury.
I would destroy it.
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Publicity stunt anyone?
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Nah, Mike was too destroyed for that.
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Nah, Mike was too destroyed for that.
Or was he?
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Haha, really? You can't be serious.
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Is it really happening?
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If he comes back after all of this, I will be raging.
I know. The world won't be able to contain my rage and my fury.
I would destroy it.
Please, stop with all this. He's not coming back. The website change was for legal reasons. If you are trying to hold someone up for "kicking" you out of something, it would be correct to avoid all appearences of self-implication.
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Who knows. Hopefully we're all just blowing this out of proportion. I just went over to his facebook page to ask a (no doubt futile) question about whether that change in info meant he'd be going back, but I saw so many negative comments on his wall like "come back to DT, A7X sucks, I'm so disappointed," that I decided to leave a friendly "hope your break is going well. Rock on, ignore the haters, looking forward to that Morse/Morse/LaRue/Portnoy thing" instead. I felt kind of bad for him.
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Haha, really? You can't be serious.
I am serious. And don't call me Riley.
OK, that didn't work.
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If he comes back after all of this, I will be raging.
I know. The world won't be able to contain my rage and my fury.
I would destroy it.
Please, stop with all this. He's not coming back. The website change was for legal reasons. If you are trying to hold someone up for "kicking" you out of something, it would be correct to avoid all appearences of self-implication.
I was just trying to ease things a little bit, you cannot be serious everytime you post at the internet. :P
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I decided to leave a friendly "hope your break is going well. Rock on, ignore the haters, looking forward to that Morse/Morse/LaRue/Portnoy thing" instead. I felt kind of bad for him.
What's up with the Pokémon avatars? The guy below you has a Blastoise!
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I don't know what Mike could be holding up legally, though I admittedly know very little about how this kind of stuff works. Mike has a right to royalties based on anything produced when he was a part of Dream Theater, but nothing going forward I would think.
Mike is making it very very difficult. The difficulties are commensurate in magnitude with what you would expect from a personality who would expect 4 members of a working band to stop working while he takes a multi-year "break".
Think of outlaws holding up a stagecoach and you'll have some idea of what is going on.
Is this actually what is holding the hold up with the new drummer? this is a pretty full-on accusation. I think Portnoy would exercise good will to allow the other band members to continue, not to hold them back. Although, its understandable in the case involving the issue of royalties and other legal things of that nature. He's entitled to a fair go, consarnit!
So if he is holding them back, i doubt it's intentionally to prevent DT from moving forward.
There is no hold up with the new drummer. That announcement will be coming very soon, however there is a mess to clean up and good will has been replaced by will of another kind.
ainamotore, if you have any actual evidence that what you are saying is true, I suggest you post it. But stating your wild speculation as fact, and doing so in a way that is outright insulting to Mike Portnoy is against forum rules and is heading you toward a ban.
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ainamotore, if you have any actual evidence that what you are saying is true, I suggest you post it. But stating your wild speculation as fact, and doing so in a way that is outright insulting to Mike Portnoy is against forum rules and is heading you toward a ban.
What I stated was fact. I will post no proof to back it up.
If that's no good, then I accept my ban and goodbye and good luck to all.
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Goodbye and good luck, aina.
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Okay, see ya' then. :bosk1:
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Godspeed, sir
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Isn't aina Jp's brother-in-law, that would kinda show how he knows this stuff
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Isn't aina Jp's brother-in-law, that would kinda show how he knows this stuff
I'm JLB's dad. I know what's going on, pal.
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I believe that's what he has said, but he hasn't backed it up. And that still doesn't give him a free pass to throw around wild (and most likely at least highly exaggerated if not outright false) accusations without backing them up. Hey, if Charlie Dominici can get a final warning, I'm not about to give a free pass to someone who claims to be someone's in-law. :lol
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Mike is making it very very difficult. The difficulties are commensurate in magnitude with what you would expect from a personality who would expect 4 members of a working band to stop working while he takes a multi-year "break".
Think of outlaws holding up a stagecoach and you'll have some idea of what is going on.
I just can't accept this kind of statement without any further explanation. I mean what could Mike possibly want that's so bad? Royalties on the stuff he's already on? Sounds like he'd deserve that anyway.
What could he want that's so bad? Just for starters, and I do mean starters, think Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship/Starship.
Yikes!
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If he comes back after all of this, I will be raging.
I don't think I'll rage. I'll just laugh and go back to not the same mentality that I had about DT before this whole ordeal.
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Would be funny if the band became just "Theater". Or "Dream Thea-".
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The Band Formerly Known As Dream Theater (feat. John Myung)
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Dream Theatre is the clear choice.
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Dream Theatre is the clear choice.
Yep, you beat me too it.
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I prefer Nicky Lemons and the Migraines, myself.
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I like The Counts of Tuscany.
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Dream Theatre is the clear choice.
Yeah so all the British people I constantly bicker with over this can finally win. :yeahright
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I like The Counts of Tuscany.
I'm willing to compromise. Which do you prefer, The Counts of Migraines or The Lemons of Tuscany?
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Or just DT.
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The Dream Theaters.
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4 J's and a drummer
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Dream TheatRE
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Dream Theater presents: "Dream Theater"
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Who knows. Hopefully we're all just blowing this out of proportion.
Oh really, you think?! :lol
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The Dream Theater Project.
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12+16+20+10 = 58.
Just saying.
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12+16+20+10 = 58.
Just saying.
2, 5, 29!
2^4 * 5 * 29 = 2320
2320/40 = 58
ZOMG PRIME NUGGETZZ
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12+16+20+10 = 58.
Just saying.
Well played sir. Well played.
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If they already have a contract accounting for band members that leave, I'm sure MP had a big say in this, and to now want to renegotiate because it now applies to him, is not cool (if that is what's happening).
If he thinks he has had a hard time of it up to now he better go into hiding if he takes the name. Surely though, this would be accounted for in a contract of some kind. And there are lots of statements from him saying he left, not saying he was fired.
I definately didn't want him to leave, and was shattered when he did (I've had relationship breakups that didn't hurt like that did), but now I don't want him back either.
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Agree with the above sentiment... him leaving was a huge shock, but after all this drama having him back might not be the greatest thing either..
It also worries me what A7X is going to do now that all this drama is taking place, too. I wish everything would get out in the open so we could just go back to enjoying the music.
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Dream Theatre is the clear choice.
I would lol so hard. Too bad its not going to happen because MP isn't Roger Waters, and even Roger Waters couldn't take the name Pink Floyd away.
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Well,Axl Rose took the name Guns N Roses with him.
I hope it's not a case like that.
Maybe it's just preperations for the announcement and we just have huge imagination here.
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OK, guys, it's been 100 days and it's about time to get some good news. I'll go crazy.
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Where will Portnoy go now.. ?
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Where will Portnoy go now.. ?
There's a thread in the General Music Discussion board about MP, this thread is about DT's new drummer.
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Please, stop with all this. He's not coming back. The website change was for legal reasons. If you are trying to hold someone up for "kicking" you out of something, it would be correct to avoid all appearences of self-implication.
If everything this man has suggested proves to be true in the following weeks, will his ban be lifted?
It's okay to speculate endlessly about something you have no clue about and not be banned. So why was this guy banned? Because he didn't produce some kind of proof from the band backing him up? He took enough of a risk speaking here as candidly as he did without getting the endorsement of JP (whose lips are tied for very obvious reasons during this transition). I urge everyone to check his profile, read all of his past posts (you can skip the ones from religious/political threads), and see if you don't notice a consistency, with a tinge of vagueness to prevent starting an all-out shit-storm, that rings logical and plausible. I'm not taking it as gospel, but it is certainly the most plausible explanation of everything we've seen in the past three months.
MP planned to tour "through 2011" with Avenged Sevenfold. That's no longer happening. MP, a workaholic (and I don't mean that in a derogatory way) subsequently makes "is sad" post and finds himself without a main band for the first time in his adult life. The official DT website falls, and Portnoy's biography is edited to suggest he still has a stake in DT (no longer just a founding member and "ex-drummer"). Draw your own conclusions from what little circumstantial evidence we have, but remember what JP's brother-in-law has said in the upcoming weeks.
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Please, stop with all this. He's not coming back. The website change was for legal reasons. If you are trying to hold someone up for "kicking" you out of something, it would be correct to avoid all appearences of self-implication.
When everything this man has suggested proves to be true in the following weeks, will his ban be lifted?
It's okay to speculate endlessly about something you have no clue about and not be banned. So why was this guy banned? Because he didn't produce some kind of proof from the band backing him up? He took enough of a risk speaking here as candidly as he did without getting the endorsement of JP (whose lips are tied for very obvious reasons during this transition). I urge everyone to check his profile, read all of his past posts (you can skip the ones from religious/political threads), and see if you don't notice a consistency, with a tinge of vagueness to prevent starting an all-out shit-storm, that rings logical and plausible. I'm not taking it as gospel, but it is certainly the most plausible explanation of everything we've seen in the past three months.
MP planned to tour "through 2011" with Avenged Sevenfold. That's no longer happening. MP, a workaholic (and I don't mean that in a derogatory way) subsequently makes "is sad" post and finds himself without a main band for the first time in his adult life. The official DT website falls, and Portnoy's biography is edited to suggest he still has a stake in DT (no longer just a founding member and "ex-drummer"). Draw your own conclusions from what little circumstantial evidence we have, but remember what JP's brother-in-law has said in the upcoming weeks.
There's a difference between speculating and stating something as fact. There's also a difference between stating something as fact without evidence and criticizing people for not believing what you're stating despite no evidence. His posts were the latter.
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When everything this man has suggested proves to be true in the following weeks, will his ban be lifted?
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I'm surprised no one has put down "sucking on his pipe" for a new name.
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Legal issues could be a possibility, but I don't think that it's very likely. Also, there's another vote for "no" to MP returning from my side.
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There's a difference between speculating and stating something as fact. There's also a difference between stating something as fact without evidence and criticizing people for not believing what you're stating despite no evidence. His posts were the latter.
This. Not to mention he attacked of a former member (MP), claiming that he was holding up the band based on legal issues, claiming he was JP's brother-in-law, and outright refused to give proof to either of these claims. Attacking or bashing a past or present member of DT is against the rules, and he couldn't even find a picture at JP's wedding or something that no one else had to prove his "identity." Trolling at its finest man. Don't take everything you see on the Internet from "some guy of importance" as fact.
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I'm surprised no one has put down "sucking on his pipe" for a new name.
The Historians.
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This. Not to mention he attacked of a former member (MP), claiming that he was holding up the band based on legal issues, claiming he was JP's brother-in-law, and outright refused to give proof to either of these claims. Attacking or bashing a past or present member of DT is against the rules, and he couldn't even find a picture at JP's wedding or something that no one else had to prove his "identity." Trolling at its finest man. Don't take everything you see on the Internet from "some guy of importance" as fact.
Nostalgic defensiveness at its finest.
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This. Not to mention he attacked of a former member (MP), claiming that he was holding up the band based on legal issues, claiming he was JP's brother-in-law, and outright refused to give proof to either of these claims. Attacking or bashing a past or present member of DT is against the rules, and he couldn't even find a picture at JP's wedding or something that no one else had to prove his "identity." Trolling at its finest man. Don't take everything you see on the Internet from "some guy of importance" as fact.
Nostalgic defensiveness at its finest.
You have a grand total of 3 posts and already I'm tired of you.
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There's a difference between speculating and stating something as fact. There's also a difference between stating something as fact without evidence and criticizing people for not believing what you're stating despite no evidence. His posts were the latter.
This. Not to mention he attacked of a former member (MP), claiming that he was holding up the band based on legal issues, claiming he was JP's brother-in-law, and outright refused to give proof to either of these claims. Attacking or bashing a past or present member of DT is against the rules, and he couldn't even find a picture at JP's wedding or something that no one else had to prove his "identity." Trolling at its finest man. Don't take everything you see on the Internet from "some guy of importance" as fact.
Maybe I'm going soft, but while you are correct, I've also seen quite a few genuine "people of importance" shouted down as impostors by smug internet nerds.
I remember a few years ago, when Octavarium was about due for release, and some fella on DT.net insisted that he'd heard it and shared a few tidbits.
He was addressed very rudely, and eventually he left, saying something along the lines of "you'll be laughing on the other side of your faces when you listen to the title track and hear James LaBrie screaming 'TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUM'."
Seem to recall it was met with general eyerolling. "Don't let the door hit you on the way out," kinda thing.
Trolls exist. But so do people who genuinely know things. While I do agree that you shouldn't take everything on the internet posted by "some guy of importance" as a fact, I also think it's worth listening carefully to rumours, and I'd also say that you shouldn't file everything on the internet under "bollocks." I usually take note and put it in a "that's interesting" folder.
Sometimes you can tell the difference. Ainomotore's in the "maybe" pile in my book. Although I do have to admit farren's in the "possible ainomotore" pile. But I have been wrong about things like that before. Often am, in fact. Plus I'm knackered right now, so hey. My judgment's not spectacular.
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Google ainamotore's name and you find som spanish speaking DT fan's youtube channel..........so I don't know how much I belive this guy. Or I could be mistaken.
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I am indeed in the "possible" pile, because what he's said meshes with purely circumstantial (ie not necessarily factual, but suggestive) evidence I've seen pointing to legal issues surrounding DT. I don't know anything more than anyone else here who has read virtually everything posted here and at MP's forum regarding DT in recent months--it's only my interpretation. We'll see in future weeks and months, though I honestly hope it doesn't end up being months ;)
I have to point out, though, that ainamotore is simply erotomania spelled backwards, and there are millions of DT fans around the world. This likely coincidence doesn't discredit the member here at all.
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I am indeed in the "possible" pile, because what he's said meshes with purely circumstantial (ie not factual, but suggestive) evidence I've seen pointing to legal issues surrounding DT. I don't know anything more than anyone else here who has read virtually everything posted here and at MP's forum regarding DT in recent months--it's only my interpretation. We'll see in future weeks and months, though I honestly hope it doesn't end up being months ;)
I have to point out, though, that ainamotore is simply erotomania spelled backwards, and there are millions of DT fans around the world. This likely coincidence doesn't discredit the member here at all.
Well, as a matter of fact ainamotore claimed his statments were actually factual.
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I am indeed in the "possible" pile, because what he's said meshes with purely circumstantial (ie not factual, but suggestive) evidence I've seen pointing to legal issues surrounding DT. I don't know anything more than anyone else here who has read virtually everything posted here and at MP's forum regarding DT in recent months--it's only my interpretation. We'll see in future weeks and months, though I honestly hope it doesn't end up being months ;)
I have to point out, though, that ainamotore is simply erotomania spelled backwards, and there are millions of DT fans around the world. This likely coincidence doesn't discredit the member here at all.
Well, as a matter of fact ainamotore claimed his statments were actually factual.
And because none of us can possibly verify them right now, they are merely circumstantial. Does this make his statements inherently false?
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I have to point out, though, that ainamotore is simply erotomania spelled backwards,
You know when someone tells you a riddle (already, I'm expecting a lot of "no"s) and you spend f'ing AGES trying to work out what's going on, before you give in, they tell you the answer, and then you kick yourself 'cause it's dead simple?
Bit like that. The name did pique my curiosity and I'd fed it through google translate a few times, with spaces in different places and "language detect" on. Crikey.
Didn't spend more than five minutes trying to riddle it out, but that's really quite profoundly simple. Man.
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I am indeed in the "possible" pile, because what he's said meshes with purely circumstantial (ie not factual, but suggestive) evidence I've seen pointing to legal issues surrounding DT. I don't know anything more than anyone else here who has read virtually everything posted here and at MP's forum regarding DT in recent months--it's only my interpretation. We'll see in future weeks and months, though I honestly hope it doesn't end up being months ;)
I have to point out, though, that ainamotore is simply erotomania spelled backwards, and there are millions of DT fans around the world. This likely coincidence doesn't discredit the member here at all.
Well, as a matter of fact ainamotore claimed his statments were actually factual.
And because none of us can possibly verify them right now, they are merely circumstantial. Does this make his statements inherently false?
Not at all. That's not the problem, though.
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Just pointing out, with the change on MP's site... the Zombie Portnoy option isn't as funny :laugh:
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There's a difference between speculating and stating something as fact. There's also a difference between stating something as fact without evidence and criticizing people for not believing what you're stating despite no evidence. His posts were the latter.
This. Not to mention he attacked of a former member (MP), claiming that he was holding up the band based on legal issues, claiming he was JP's brother-in-law, and outright refused to give proof to either of these claims. Attacking or bashing a past or present member of DT is against the rules, and he couldn't even find a picture at JP's wedding or something that no one else had to prove his "identity." Trolling at its finest man. Don't take everything you see on the Internet from "some guy of importance" as fact.
Maybe I'm going soft, but while you are correct, I've also seen quite a few genuine "people of importance" shouted down as impostors by smug internet nerds.
I remember a few years ago, when Octavarium was about due for release, and some fella on DT.net insisted that he'd heard it and shared a few tidbits.
He was addressed very rudely, and eventually he left, saying something along the lines of "you'll be laughing on the other side of your faces when you listen to the title track and hear James LaBrie screaming 'TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUM'."
Seem to recall it was met with general eyerolling. "Don't let the door hit you on the way out," kinda thing.
Trolls exist. But so do people who genuinely know things. While I do agree that you shouldn't take everything on the internet posted by "some guy of importance" as a fact, I also think it's worth listening carefully to rumours, and I'd also say that you shouldn't file everything on the internet under "bollocks." I usually take note and put it in a "that's interesting" folder.
Sometimes you can tell the difference. Ainomotore's in the "maybe" pile in my book. Although I do have to admit farren's in the "possible ainomotore" pile. But I have been wrong about things like that before. Often am, in fact. Plus I'm knackered right now, so hey. My judgment's not spectacular.
Thank you, another well reasoned post by Rob. I agree completely.
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ainamotore's posts in this thread were quite similar to his posts in P/R.
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Just pointing out, with the change on MP's site... the Zombie Portnoy option isn't as funny :laugh:
Yeah, it says that he's the drummer of Dream Theater. Maybe he'll come back.
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I hope the whole website thing is just a "design" update. Like when the Iron Maiden site went down for couple of hours (maybe one or two days) to announce the tour with Dream Theater.
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Hey guys, something else we can overanalyze and speculate wildly on;
Marco Minnemann's official site is temporarily down.
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Hey guys, something else we can overanalyze and speculate wildly on;
Marco Minnemann's official site is temporarily down.
:o
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(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/motivation/explanation.jpg)
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Hey guys, something else we can overanalyze and speculate wildly on;
Marco Minnemann's official site is temporarily down.
Things are definately afoot
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If that is the reason...then that is awesome.
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Hey guys, something else we can overanalyze and speculate wildly on;
Marco Minnemann's official site is temporarily down.
(https://myfacewhen.com/images/31.jpg)
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If that is the reason...then that is awesome.
It's probably just coincidence. But he is one of the potential drummers I would be very excited about (along with Mangini and Lang) so a part of me wants it to not be coincidence!
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Well, there are also rumors that Mangini has canceled his entire itinerary for '11, and his facebook page is down too.
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Well, there are also rumors that Mangini has canceled his entire itinerary for '11, and his facebook page is down too.
Fuck yes, we're going Allman Brothers-style with 2 drummers!
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Minnemann's site may have been caught off-guard from Rudess/Mind Meld-associated traffic. The old Slashdot effect, though it happens less these days. Mangini still seems more likely IMO.
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Well, there are also rumors that Mangini has canceled his entire itinerary for '11, and his facebook page is down too.
:dangerwillrobinson:
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Minnemann's site may have been caught off-guard from Rudess/Mind Meld-associated traffic. The old Slashdot effect, though it happens less these days.
That's what I was thinking as well.
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Someone's picking off the sites one by one. We should be worried.
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Oh, maybe this is a good chance to contribute...
TL... I'm not sure what to make of this, but I think I would have heard it from some other sources by now.
Did anyone attend his Seattle Boot Camp this year?
https://nickmolenda.com/?p=218
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Anybody have any good MM videos to share? I'm sure there are some in this thread already, but there are a lot of pages to search through :lol
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Oh, maybe this is a good chance to contribute...
TL... I'm not sure what to make of this, but I think I would have heard it from some other sources by now.
Did anyone attend his Seattle Boot Camp this year?
https://nickmolenda.com/?p=218
"due to a fractured foot"
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Odd eh? That would definitely rule TL out, since JP posted he was excited about the new drummer after that post was made..
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12+16=28 which has an 8 in it and 16 is a multiple of 8. COINCIDENCE!?
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Tommy Aldridges Facebook page is down...
This is pure lockbox..
Dream Snake lives
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Guys... If I shut my facebook down, does that mean I could be the new drummer?
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Guys... If I shut my facebook down, does that mean I could be the new drummer?
YES!
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I guess I better learn how to play drums then.
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I guess I better learn how to play drums then.
it would be appreciated. ;)
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4 - Minnemann
8 - Lang
15 - Zombie Portnoy
16 - Moore
23 - Mangini
42 - ?!!??!
Who will it be? Tune in next week on ABC.
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You forgot me.
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You forgot me.
I'm sorry, you weren't on Jacob's list. He won't come after you and take your web page down. You can't force fate by taking down your own page... our lives course correct. In the end, you will find your way.
;D
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4+8+15+16+23+42=108
It's been 100 days since MP left DT. That means 8 more days until the announcement!
:dangerwillrobinson:
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4+8+15+16+23+42=108
It's been 100 days since MP left DT. That means 8 more days until the announcement!
:dangerwillrobinson:
Christmas Eve. Bam!
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Whoa, I didn't even think of that. :lol
AND DECEMBER 25TH IS A MULTIPLE OF 5 LIKE ON OCTAVARIUM!!! :omg:
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4+8+15+16+23+42=108
It's been 100 days since MP left DT. That means 8 more days until the announcement!
:dangerwillrobinson:
You cracked the code.... soon the answers will be questions, and questions will be the anwers.
we shall witness!!!
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And we'll finally figure out how to get off this goddamned island.
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Holy shit. 100 days? Seems like yesterday.
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4 - Minnemann
8 - Lang
15 - Zombie Portnoy
16 - Moore
23 - Mangini
42 - ?!!??!
Who will it be? Tune in next week on ABC.
When was Mangini ruled out?
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If they announce it on December 24th I'll... do something.
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I wouldn't be surprised if ainamatore is just full of hot air. Yes he claimed to be JP's brother in law, but JP probably wouldn't tell things of such secretive nature to someone immature enough to go blabbing them online. So even if he is JP's brother-in-law, JP would probably be as thankful about him being silenced as those people who want him to back up his statements are ;D Furthermore, he's always this matter-o-fact, even though he's usually wrong.
::thinks about PR posts::
::cringes::
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@ ZirconBlue: It's true that part of the lyrics of RTK are about Kevin Moore. However, it's only the latter verses ("I remember when you were the quiet type") not the first ones, which are more about the music industry.
You are correct that the beginning part of the song is about Jim Pitulski, but I think the dividing line is earlier in the song. I don't see why Jim would ever have any publishing rights to "keep".
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@ ZirconBlue: It's true that part of the lyrics of RTK are about Kevin Moore. However, it's only the latter verses ("I remember when you were the quiet type") not the first ones, which are more about the music industry.
You are correct that the beginning part of the song is about Jim Pitulski, but I think the dividing line is earlier in the song. I don't see why Jim would ever have any publishing rights to "keep".
Space Dye Vest is about falling in love with Jim Pitulski. Totally heterosexual man love.
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As far as ainamotore, Fiery Winds and Skydivingninja pretty much nailed it. I don't care who he is--his posts were inappropriate, and he refused to tone it down.
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Maybe I'm going soft, but while you are correct, I've also seen quite a few genuine "people of importance" shouted down as impostors by smug internet nerds.
I remember a few years ago, when Octavarium was about due for release, and some fella on DT.net insisted that he'd heard it and shared a few tidbits.
He was addressed very rudely, and eventually he left, saying something along the lines of "you'll be laughing on the other side of your faces when you listen to the title track and hear James LaBrie screaming 'TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUM'."
Seem to recall it was met with general eyerolling. "Don't let the door hit you on the way out," kinda thing.
But that stuff is more plausible than someone claiming to be JP's brother-in-law, especially if it was around the same time reviewers were getting their copies of the album.
Plus I'm knackered right now, so hey. My judgment's not spectacular.
Someone photoshop this quote onto a serene nature image!
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I honestly hope its Mangini, i have been a fan of his for such a long time (Since Vai) but I truly think (although the other drummers are great) he has a personality and playing style that really suites what DT would need as a drummer. He is a groover, cocky, funny, respectful, and he looks like he has heaps of fun playing.
He is a big personality and I think this is what sets him apart from the rest.
Check out Fire Garden Suite by Steve Vai if anyone has any doubts about his creative playing...also the JLB solo albums (Mull, Mull2 & Elements).
I wish it was Donati, Land or Minneman etc but at the end of the day, I can see no other replacement than Mike Mangini....here's hoping!!!
Check this out if you cant imagine him being perfect for DT11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFUJSUJBJks&feature=fvsr
Also, its a big call but Fire Garden Suite can easily be a contender on drums to Dance of Eternity.
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Speaking of Mangini, can someone recommend ONE album that he plays on which shows off his skills the best?
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Speaking of Mangini, can someone recommend ONE album that he plays on which shows off his skills the best?
He still has to record something he had a hand in the songwriting besides Extreme's 3 songs on WFTP... but try any live bootlegs of Tribe Of Judah & Extreme ('95 tour), and Steve Vai's Alive in an Ultra World.
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Speaking of Mangini, can someone recommend ONE album that he plays on which shows off his skills the best?
He still has to record something he had a hand in the songwriting besides Extreme's 3 songs on WFTP... but try any live bootlegs of Tribe Of Judah & Extreme ('95 tour), and Steve Vai's Alive in an Ultra World.
I'm more likely to try some Vai stuff, as Extreme does nothing for me..
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Maybe I'm going soft, but while you are correct, I've also seen quite a few genuine "people of importance" shouted down as impostors by smug internet nerds.
I remember a few years ago, when Octavarium was about due for release, and some fella on DT.net insisted that he'd heard it and shared a few tidbits.
He was addressed very rudely, and eventually he left, saying something along the lines of "you'll be laughing on the other side of your faces when you listen to the title track and hear James LaBrie screaming 'TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUM'."
Seem to recall it was met with general eyerolling. "Don't let the door hit you on the way out," kinda thing.
But that stuff is more plausible than someone claiming to be JP's brother-in-law, especially if it was around the same time reviewers were getting their copies of the album.
True! But people do post online.
One thing I remember is... er, there's a website, could be reddit or something? I don't really use those kinda sites, but one of them does something along the lines of "Ask a something." So it might be "ask a surgeon" and then a member who's a surgeon would answer a bunch of medical questions, or "ask a 70-year-old" and a seventy-year-old would answer all the members' questions about Werthers' Originals and retirement, etc. etc. "Ask a member of the Doctor Who Production Team" was one of them, and some guy started dropping loads of cool hints about the next series.
He was essentially burnt as a witch. He was also vindicated by history.
JP's brother-in-law is a little more of a long shot, but I keep seeing that kind of thing over and over again, so I've kinda started to err on the side of caution, lately. I'd say there's a good chance he's making stuff up. Very good chance. But it's not impossible. I don't think it's entirely implausible, either.
I think... that what I'm saying is that I don't necessarily think it's true - I'm not ready to fall for it just yet - but I do think it could be true. I don't really have any reason to doubt him, just yet. And if he's a liar, he seems like a clever one.
Someone photoshop this quote onto a serene nature image!
If this becomes a "thing" I'm going to have to ask to start taking royalties.
...Or copyrighting all the awful cod bollocks I constantly spout.
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Speaking of Mangini, can someone recommend ONE album that he plays on which shows off his skills the best?
Elements of Persuasion.
Something I thought of.
I would say that both DS and JR have done by far their best work in DT. JLB's abilities as a vocalist were fully developed in the context of the band.
Basically - it's not a given that Mangini will be exactly as good in DT as he was beforehand. The band seems to have a knack for bringing out the best in its members.
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I would say that both DS and JR have done by far their best work in DT. JLB's abilities as a vocalist were fully developed in the context of the band.
Basically - it's not a given that Mangini will be exactly as good in DT as he was beforehand. The band seems to have a knack for bringing out the best in its members.
Personally I'd say that from a keyboard standpoint DS has improved since then, but DT was certainly the best thing he'd done up to that point. Same with JR, as you say.
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I honestly hope its Mangini, i have been a fan of his for such a long time (Since Vai) but I truly think (although the other drummers are great) he has a personality and playing style that really suites what DT would need as a drummer. He is a groover, cocky, funny, respectful, and he looks like he has heaps of fun playing.
He is a big personality and I think this is what sets him apart from the rest.
Check out Fire Garden Suite by Steve Vai if anyone has any doubts about his creative playing...also the JLB solo albums (Mull, Mull2 & Elements).
I wish it was Donati, Land or Minneman etc but at the end of the day, I can see no other replacement than Mike Mangini....here's hoping!!!
Check this out if you cant imagine him being perfect for DT11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFUJSUJBJks&feature=fvsr
Also, its a big call but Fire Garden Suite can easily be a contender on drums to Dance of Eternity.
I've seen all the Mangini videos that have been posted on the forum, and I honestly don't see the creativity side... to me it's very "normal" nothing to write home about. Mangini is incredibly fast but that's it, at least from what I've heard so far... If he is indeed the chosen one I really hope he steps it up. To me he is not in the same league as Lang or Minnemann, as you guys know from my posts I'm a big supporter of Lang, but having seen Minnemann's chemistry with Jordan and his creative drumming I would be perfectly happy if they went with Minnemann.
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Check this out if you cant imagine him being perfect for DT11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFUJSUJBJks&feature=fvsr
That video did absolutely nothing for me, but I'm checking out Fire Garden Suite now. Definitely better so far.
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fire garden suite is sick! although Vai probably did come up with all the drum parts for it. still a great performance!
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Personally I'd say that from a keyboard standpoint DS has improved since then, but DT was certainly the best thing he'd done up to that point.
Yeah, definitely. Derek didn't get to use his full potential in DT.
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The more I see of Minnemann, the more I hope he's the new drummer. The guy has everything. As for Mangini, he's very technical and all, but his style doesn't click for me.
B.Lee
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I'm still hoping for Lang. Minnemann and Mangini would certainly be solid choices too though.
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The amount I could care less for DT is becoming smaller by the day, but this speculation has me kind of excited.
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The amount I could care less for DT is becoming smaller by the day, but this speculation has me kind of excited.
Wow, that was a difficult sentence to figure out. But yeah, I feel you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIROxGad9X8&feature=related
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIROxGad9X8&feature=related
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Holy shit.
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Old: Bobby Jarzombek doing Bambi (but with full band)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRF9NsC2D_U
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That was awesome... Minnemann is impressive, I'm torn between him and Lang... For those who have not listened to Lang on a band setting check this out: https://www.myspace.com/officialstork/music Check the songs... Loki , Metal Fatigue, Nautilus... you will not regret it!
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Old: Bobby Jarzombek doing Bambi (but with full band)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRF9NsC2D_U
Love that video, and it's a great track even without the video. Don't forget The Cereal Mouse too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RztR4E12dGU
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Old: Bobby Jarzombek doing Bambi (but with full band)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRF9NsC2D_U
yeah that always amazes me, as does this classic;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RztR4E12dGU
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Old: Bobby Jarzombek doing Bambi (but with full band)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRF9NsC2D_U
Love that video, and it's a great track even without the video. Don't forget The Cereal Mouse too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RztR4E12dGU
You just ninja'd the absolute shit out of me!!! :hat
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Old: Bobby Jarzombek doing Bambi (but with full band)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRF9NsC2D_U
Love that video, and it's a great track even without the video. Don't forget The Cereal Mouse too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RztR4E12dGU
You just ninja'd the absolute shit out of me!!! :hat
By 10 whole seconds. :hat :hat
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Old: Bobby Jarzombek doing Bambi (but with full band)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRF9NsC2D_U
Love that video, and it's a great track even without the video. Don't forget The Cereal Mouse too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RztR4E12dGU
You just ninja'd the absolute shit out of me!!! :hat
By 10 whole seconds. :hat :hat
I know, 10 seconds, that's amazing!!! :hat :hat :hat
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I have a friend who works at Ludwig Drums as one of the artist representatives. Tried to ask him last night if he had any insider's info on the DT situation but I got nothing out of him...
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I have a friend who works at Ludwig Drums as one of the artist representatives. Tried to ask him last night if he had any insider's info on the DT situation but I got nothing out of him...
Eh okay ...
I know a guy from Telia ... he didnt knew either... :justjen
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Eh okay ...
I know a guy from Telia ... he didnt knew either... :justjen
lol, I was about to write something like this.. but I stopped myself. :D
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I know a guy who once worked in a music store selling drums. I didn't ask him yet, should I? :rollin
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My little cousin spelled "drum" correctly in a spelling bee once. I'm sure he knows.
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My friend's initials are MP. He's sure to have the answer.
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I know a guy who once worked in a music store selling drums. I didn't ask him yet, should I? :rollin
My friend regularly works with famous drummers who use Ludwig. His Facebook has pictures of him with Ringo Starr and Rush, among many others. He works at trade shows and is an insider in the world of drumming. Therefore, I asked him.
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It wasn't funny the second, third, or fourth time--and it sure as hell wasn't funny the fifth.
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Yeah, I agree with the above post. Seriously, people, shut the hell up. I actually think it's cool that people are willing to ask people they know for information. So, shut up and stop making them seem like idiots just so you can feel good about yourself even though you probably live in your mom's basement and don't know anyone cool. Here's a little news for you: just becase YOU don't know anyone in the industry doesn't mean OTHER people don't.
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Snake Eyes being outraged about stupid shit was funny the second, third, or fourth time--and it sure as hell wasn't funny the fifth.
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Yeah, I agree with the above post. Seriously, people, shut the hell up. I actually think it's cool that people are willing to ask people they know for information. So, shut up and stop making them seem like idiots just so you can feel good about yourself even though you probably live in your mom's basement and don't know anyone cool. Here's a little news for you: just becase YOU don't know anyone in the industry doesn't mean OTHER people don't.
(https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b279/prostheticsummer/1291498810142.jpg)
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I'm not going to lie... i definitely Lol'd @ the above banter.
God lord its taking them ages to announce it, but the scope of things to consider when inducting a new drummer to DT is vast, particularly in relation to PR & Legal issues whilst maintaining discretion (stopping us from knowing!).
In terms of Minnemann: he writes most of his own solo stuff and records guitar, bass and key tracks too! for instance, this song was all written and recorded all by himself (this is a live version, and the only thing he didn't record for the song on the album is the bass solo):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1nk-Ws5UBQ
so in short: not only is he a freak of a drummer, he is also very musical and creative beyond just drumming.
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In terms of Minnemann: he writes most of his own solo stuff and records guitar, bass and key tracks too! for instance, this song was all written and recorded all by himself (this is a live version, and the only thing he didn't record for the song on the album is the bass solo):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1nk-Ws5UBQ
so in short: not only is he a freak of a drummer, he is also very musical and creative beyond just drumming.
That is really impressive.
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Marco's birthday is on Friday. COINCIDENCE ? :biggrin:
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Marco's birthday is on Friday. COINCIDENCE ? :biggrin:
OH MY GOD
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Marco's birthday is on Friday. COINCIDENCE ? :biggrin:
OH MY GOD
Please, let it be Marco!
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Marco's birthday is on Friday. COINCIDENCE ? :biggrin:
:facepalm: It's really getting irritating.
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Marco's birthday is on Friday. COINCIDENCE ? :biggrin:
:facepalm: It's really getting irritating.
You don't know what's irritating until you go back to the good ole Octavarium forum days.
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The 8VM board was a completely different dimension.
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They just don't make noobs like they used to... :facepalm:
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Yeah, I agree with the above post. Seriously, people, shut the hell up. I actually think it's cool that people are willing to ask people they know for information. So, shut up and stop making them seem like idiots just so you can feel good about yourself even though you probably live in your mom's basement and don't know anyone cool. Here's a little news for you: just becase YOU don't know anyone in the industry doesn't mean OTHER people don't.
(https://imgur.com/1ysHQ.gif)
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:lol
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Damn beat me to it. :lol
Anyway---
(https://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss37/ibloop/44e055bf_06a1_5081.gif)
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Marco's birthday is on Friday. COINCIDENCE ? :biggrin:
:facepalm: It's really getting irritating.
Except I'm clearly joking. . . . :facepalm:
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Yes, I was mad. Very mad. Very, very mad.
lol
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Marco's birthday is on Friday. COINCIDENCE ? :biggrin:
:facepalm: It's really getting irritating.
Except I'm clearly joking. . . . :facepalm:
Well, I hate to break it to you, but you're not funny.
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Oh my goodness this is getting nasty :lol
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Okay, let's all take a deep breath. :lol
Merry Christmas, everyone! :)
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So Mangini surpassed Lang in the votes huh?
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Okay, let's all take a deep breath. :lol
Merry Christmas, everyone! :)
NO DAMMIT!
*kills*
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If Christmas comes and goes without a new drummer announcement I will rage.
If Christmas comes and goes and Mike Portnoy comes back, I will cry and hurt everyone.
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Anyone else kinda hoping the new drummer isn't one of the guys we've been talking about?
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Not really.
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Marco's birthday is on Friday. COINCIDENCE ? :biggrin:
:facepalm: It's really getting irritating.
Except I'm clearly joking. . . . :facepalm:
Well, I hate to break it to you, but you're not funny.
(https://images0.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/3765263/U-mad.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Troll-Face)
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Anyone else kinda hoping the new drummer isn't one of the guys we've been talking about?
Definitely. It would be more of a surprise if it isn't the guy everyone expects it to be. If it's the guy everyone expects, it'll be more of a "well no shit they picked him, now lets get on with our lives" as opposed to "Oh lawd no wai, diz is so sik i cant wait for teh new album", which I'd prefer.
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Unless it's someone well-known, no.
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Just one thing. If Mike does come back... do we officially refer to him as Zombie Portnoy? ZMP instead of MP?
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Marco's birthday is on Friday. COINCIDENCE ? :biggrin:
:facepalm: It's really getting irritating.
Except I'm clearly joking. . . . :facepalm:
Well, I hate to break it to you, but you're not funny.
[unfunny picture]
Nope, still not funny.
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Marco's birthday is on Friday. COINCIDENCE ? :biggrin:
:facepalm: It's really getting irritating.
Except I'm clearly joking. . . . :facepalm:
Well, I hate to break it to you, but you're not funny.
[unfunny picture]
Nope, still not funny.
(https://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss37/ibloop/4c125110_dcb1_e98b.jpg)
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:lol My thoughts exactly...
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Just one thing. If Mike does come back... do we officially refer to him as Zombie Portnoy? ZMP instead of MP?
wut?
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So Mangini surpassed Lang in the votes huh?
Lots of people have been changing their votes.
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Marco's birthday is on Friday. COINCIDENCE ? :biggrin:
:facepalm: It's really getting irritating.
Except I'm clearly joking. . . . :facepalm:
Well, I hate to break it to you, but you're not funny.
[unfunny picture]
Nope, still not funny.
:sadpanda:
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ive been pulling for marco since day one.
anyone cool enough to rock a space suit with PG is alright with me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPGA3vjMLgE
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ive been pulling for marco since day one.
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A member on the Voices UK forum:
I was at a drum clinic with Virgil earlier this month and the promoter of same told me that Virgil did have a "try out" with the band and that they had some good jams together but didn't think that he could be a permanent member. Virgil is writing a classical symphony at the moment and I think his head is in a entirely different place.
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A member on the Voices UK forum:
I was at a drum clinic with Virgil earlier this month and the promoter of same told me that Virgil did have a "try out" with the band and that they had some good jams together but didn't think that he could be a permanent member. Virgil is writing a classical symphony at the moment and I think his head is in a entirely different place.
Well I think we knew that Virgil was out of the running, but that classical symphony thing sounds pretty cool.
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I really hope its Marco. he seems perfect for the band, and I like his style
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I'm thinking the new drummer announcement will come in the form of a video recorded during their upcoming January studio sessions. The band will be in the studio playing Metropolis with their new drummer, and only then will we find out. This would be both good and bad. Good because we'd get an awesome vid of the new guy playing a DT song + new footage of DT playing DT; bad because it'd mean the news is a few weeks away. Just speculation though...
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I would be surprised if they didn't announce him before entering the studio, but we're kind of running out of time. Anyone know if they're going in early or late January?
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I would be surprised if they didn't announce him before entering the studio, but we're kind of running out of time. Anyone know if they're going in early or late January?
I was guessing somewhere between January 15th and January 29th. With JR and JLB doing that show in NYC on the 25th, they'll be in studio a little before that. Similar to how they recorded Raw Dog
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At this point, I really don't understand why the band is waiting this long. JP said they wanted it to be perfect. Unless there are major behind-the-scenes issues to work out, I don't see how this is anywhere near that expectation.
Casual fans of the band, who seem very un-confident about DT moving on, have to see all these events as a sign of weakness. For those who follow DT more closely, there's very little from the band other than "we swear this will be awesome."
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but the DT fanbase doesn't seem to be in the best of moods. I don't see how it's beneficial to the band to do nothing about that mood, and then extend the wait for the new drummer announcement so long that their fans become disinterested as they're unhappy.
Why do you want to fade away from the forefront of people's minds leaving a bad taste in their mouths?
Possibly worse, the band's getting close enough to the studio sessions that someone's going to snap a candid photo of the guy going in and out of work. Isn't that the worst way for this to go down?
It's certainly becoming more and more possible every day.
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Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but the DT fanbase doesn't seem to be in the best of moods. I don't see how it's beneficial to the band to do nothing about that mood, and then extend the wait for the new drummer announcement so long that their fans become disinterested as they're unhappy.
This. Even here things seem so tense lately. It's like the fanbase is cannibalizing itself while we wait for the guys to get their stuff together.
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At this point, I really don't understand why the band is waiting this long. JP said they wanted it to be perfect. Unless there are major behind-the-scenes issues to work out, I don't see how this is anywhere near that expectation.
Casual fans of the band, who seem very un-confident about DT moving on, have to see all these events as a sign of weakness. For those who follow DT more closely, there's very little from the band other than "we swear this will be awesome."
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but the DT fanbase doesn't seem to be in the best of moods. I don't see how it's beneficial to the band to do nothing about that mood, and then extend the wait for the new drummer announcement so long that their fans become disinterested as they're unhappy.
Why do you want to fade away from the forefront of people's minds leaving a bad taste in their mouths?
Possibly worse, the band's getting close enough to the studio sessions that someone's going to snap a candid photo of the guy going in and out of work. Isn't that the worst way for this to go down?
certainly becoming more and more possible every day.
Waiting this long is consistent with behind the scenes lawsuits. Once lawyers are involved, things slow down and proceed very carefully. The website revisions and forum post modifications are consistent with careful consideration of legal implications. The "pushed out" vs "left the band" scenarios are key to the ultimate terms of a financial settlement. So announcing a new drummer prematurely could be hazardous to the ultimate settlement.
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Waiting this long is consistent with behind the scenes lawsuits. Once lawyers are involved, things slow down and proceed very carefully. The website revisions and forum post modifications are consistent with careful consideration of legal implications. The "pushed out" vs "left the band" scenarios are key to the ultimate terms of a financial settlement. So announcing a new drummer prematurely could be hazardous to the ultimate settlement.
Based on your posts you're either in the know or a good enough writer to fake it.
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Waiting this long is consistent with behind the scenes lawsuits. Once lawyers are involved, things slow down and proceed very carefully. The website revisions and forum post modifications are consistent with careful consideration of legal implications. The "pushed out" vs "left the band" scenarios are key to the ultimate terms of a financial settlement. So announcing a new drummer prematurely could be hazardous to the ultimate settlement.
Based on your posts you're either in the know or a good enough writer to fake it.
Hm. This is a good point. Major Thirteenth definitely isn't a DT member, though. I've seen their online posts and none of the DT guys are really good enough writers to pull off something like this. Of course we don't know about Myung as he's not active online at all.
I think Major likely belongs in one of the following categories:
1.) An online community member "in the know" letting their hair down (like a Wey).
2.) An attorney or paralegal involved and closet fan.
3.) Another person close to the band, family member, personal friend, etc.
4.) MP's new attorney, Bosk1 ;) (working on the promise of increased TA output)
5.) A Bag of Hot Air
Either way his posts have been very worthwhile.
As far as who the new DT "meanie" is going to be, I totally put my money on Jordan. He looks like he could handle a room pretty well if he wanted to.
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From the outside the case about whether MP left or was pushed out seems cut and dried. His statements said he LEFT the band. Everyone else was ready to work and he said he wasn't coming in. They said you are. He left. Hardly OJ is it?
And also, the timeline they were working to had been agreed and probably set up by MP earlier.
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:corn (On the maj13th issue)
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I just frickin' want more DT.
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At this point, I really don't understand why the band is waiting this long. JP said they wanted it to be perfect. Unless there are major behind-the-scenes issues to work out, I don't see how this is anywhere near that expectation.
Casual fans of the band, who seem very un-confident about DT moving on, have to see all these events as a sign of weakness. For those who follow DT more closely, there's very little from the band other than "we swear this will be awesome."
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but the DT fanbase doesn't seem to be in the best of moods. I don't see how it's beneficial to the band to do nothing about that mood, and then extend the wait for the new drummer announcement so long that their fans become disinterested as they're unhappy.
Why do you want to fade away from the forefront of people's minds leaving a bad taste in their mouths?
Possibly worse, the band's getting close enough to the studio sessions that someone's going to snap a candid photo of the guy going in and out of work. Isn't that the worst way for this to go down?
It's certainly becoming more and more possible every day.
Reap, honestly, I'm not getting any of this.
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Didn't James make a comment on Twitter alng the lines of "I'd love to tell you but I cant, but I can tell you our new drummer will blow your mind'?
Ok, I am probably reading too much into this, and I am not a language/ english expert.
I read 'he will blow your mind' as if it is someone we don't know or are not expecting, not one of the obvious choices.
Lets say it was a new guitarist we are waiting for, AND JP was replaced by Steve Vai (I am pulling names out of a hat for arguments sake), but we didnt know it was steve vai as we dont know the new drummer yet...but by saying.."wait till you see him he will blow your mind' if it WAS steve vai would be a bit...duh? really?
Ok lets say its Lang...we know he will blow our mind so your not tellin us anything we dont already know James which is why i think it could be a dark horse, rank outsider. Priester would qualify because not many know of him.
Anyway, maybe ive just discovered that steve vai is the new drummer i dunno.
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I read 'he will blow your mind' more in the sense of technical skill, his skills and chops will blow our minds.
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Exactly...dont we know that all of the 'seven' will do that if they were chosen?
I just feel it could be an unknown or at least, lesser known from that comment. Almost like an undiscovered prodigy.....who knows.
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Priester is the least impressive of the ones I've seen. I really hope it isn't him.
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Reap, honestly, I'm not getting any of this.
From a P/R standpoint, the new drummer situation has been mismanaged.
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Reap, honestly, I'm not getting any of this.
From a P/R standpoint, the new drummer situation has been mismanaged.
How is that Reap? All bands get their eggs in a basket first before anouncing a new band member. I think we're all just anxious.
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In the last two months, just about anything has been mismanaged :lol
rumborak
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How is that Reap? All bands get their eggs in a basket first before anouncing a new band member. I think we're all just anxious.
Pointing out that reality is almost making my argument for me.
Remember right after MP left the band, and the remaining members went to great lengths to reassure the fan base with calm and honesty? Now, whenever they talk about the future, the comment is either "this is going to rock!" or "we can't reveal the new drummer's name for reasons we can't talk about." The first sounds forced. The second hints at problems beneath the surface.
At this point, I almost have to believe there's conflicting legal interests involved. It's the only way this can possibly be happening.
What do you want to happen, from a P/R standpoint, when announcing a new drummer? Fan excitement? When the new guy's name is released, the reaction will be a mix of (a) Oh, they finally released that info? Interesting. Hope the album's good. (b) Thank god we finally know. I feel relieved. (c) I'm interested but skeptical. (d) ZOMG IT'S NEVER GONNA BE LIKE PORTNOY.
That doesn't look like excitement to me. Anybody who was genuinely interested got bored or anxious. The new guy's name actually being announced will reinvigorate this interest a bit, but all the energy that would have went into genuinely caring has already been expended on waiting.
If the new drummer's Mangini, it's even worse. His potential in the band has already been discussed, and the announcement would have no effect beyond "oh, so it was him." Some people would be stoked they speculated correctly, but that's just internal ego being satiated.
So far, how could this situation have turned out worse? An apparently large portion of the band's fans want them to quit. The rest of their fans are in an anxious and pissy mood. They missed a great opportunity to re-rally the base with the exciting news of their new drummer.
But maybe I'm not taking a long enough view. Any situation can be turned around.
EDIT:
Even if someone in the band said something like this:
"Look, we know the wait for the new drummer's name has been excruciating. And not in the P/R sense of the word. We know it's created lots of anxiety, confusion, and boredom. Due to legal matters beyond our control, it's been impossible. If we had done it our way, we would have made the announcement at least a month ago. We don't have some kind of master plan involving alienating our fan base."
People would understand.
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I guess I just don't agree. no band should rush to an end for the fans sake. I for one want them to get it right. Am I anxious? Hell yea. It's a good thing.
I don't realy hear to many people talking about wanting them to quit. And if some have stated that, they are foolish and self serving. It's their band.
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I guess I just don't agree. no band should rush to an end for the fans sake. I for one want them to get it right. Am I anxious? Hell yea. It's a good thing.
I don't realy hear to many people talking about wanting them to quit. And if some have stated that, they are foolish and self serving. It's their band.
I'm talking about this purely from a P/R standpoint. For all I know, it's better for the band's long term future to take the short-term P/R damage.
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Some would say it's a great PR move. It makes the fan base hungry, wanting more. They won't hold out too much longer. I'd bet.
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Keep in mind that we're basically just the tip of the iceberg.
Most fans aren't following the message boards loyally. Some of them will have a gander now and then but not register. (hi guys!) Fewer still will contribute regularly.
This is basically the reactor core, and it's what - about 200 regular contributors strong? Out of 4,000 members total, I think that's probably a fair guess, although I'm not known for my brilliant estimates. Even when shit was kicking off, the peak readership was 800 at a time.
Compare that to Black Clouds & Silver Linings, which sold 40,000 copies in the USA in its first week.
I think you're overestimating how much of the fanbase has their ear to the ground. I'm a bit obsessed with Dream Theater so I'm on here constantly. Most people aren't. Heck, there are long-time members of this very board who've posted over this side asking what's going on. Think we're a fairly negligible cross-section.
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Some would say it's a great PR move. It makes the fan base hungry, wanting more. They won't hold out too much longer. I'd bet.
I'm more on Reapsta's side here. A month ago I was hungry for news, two weeks ago I was peckish, and now I'm full-up on speculation and have lost all but the tiniest smidge of interest in the new guy (kind of like filling up on snacks before a meal and then not wanting the meal any more). I've reached saturation point on the new drummer.
I'd assume (and that's all I'd be doing) that the delay is necessary for some reason, such as legal issues. DT have been doing this a long time and I don't think they'd misjudge the fanbase this way.
Ed: re. your post, Rob - I think most of the non-obsessives won't really care about the new drummer in any case, because they just like the music and don't have the great big weird mental relationship with DT that the rest of us do. We may be the only ones that cared in the first place. :lol
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I guess I just don't agree. no band should rush to an end for the fans sake. I for one want them to get it right. Am I anxious? Hell yea. It's a good thing.
I don't realy hear to many people talking about wanting them to quit. And if some have stated that, they are foolish and self serving. It's their band.
King...you're not going to hear people talking here about the band hanging it up...but I believe in more than one magazine poll...the question was asked? Now that MP has quit should the band A) Move on with a replacement or B) Hang it up and call it a day
I think its even brought up in one of the Petrucci interviews he's done lately, where the reporter asked if he was familiar with what the polls where saying.
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It may be best to stop sticking our noses so deeply into all of this so we can breathe in the news, when it finally arrives with its fragrance, with wide, accepting nostrils.
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I think the problem lies in how the contracts for the new drummer and mp are going to be worded.
If the band decides to leave the door open for a future reunion, i'm ASSuming the band will not pay off MP like they did with the other former members. The payoff was given so that they won't get any royalties or sue the band for money "owed" to them. I would ASSume they are going to offer some kind of percentage points or something for the royalties and revenues the band generates. Now, I think the BIG problem will lie with the YTSEJAM bootlegs. Touring, merchandising and the bootlegs is were DT makes most of their money. Since MP has all of the recordings, that situation needs to be addressed. Would MP just hand them over without receiving compensation? (I highly doubt it). Or would MP negotiate some kind of percentage just on the bootlegs? Creative control over them? There are so many things to be negotiated without actually (well legally) closing the doors for MP. If it the band would have paid off MP, I'm pretty sure the drummer would have been announced long ago, since they would have only have to negotiate a lump figure just like with the other guys.
The new guy's contract is probably being negotiated too (would he get royalties of the new album (previous albums maybe)) or would he get paid monthly no matter what the band does or doesn't do; or would he be entitled to any of the money once MP returns (if he returns) or any lump figure in compensation if the agreement is broken off before a set timeframe.
This situation is more complicated than what appears to be. It's not just a matter of "hey guys, i'm sorry, let's get together in 4 yrs". The band is a business and their lifetime and main income (for both the current band, MP and probably the new drummer). maybe mike is negotiating a contract similar to steve perry, where he still gets income from the band and has input on some of the band's decision, even if he is "not in the band" anymore.
Finally, keep in mind that all of my words are purely speculation (just adding more to this thread :rollin) but in no way I know what's happening behind the scenes. I just finished reading a book called Tour Smart (about the music business and the touring part of it) and there's a whole lotta stuff covered so Im pretty sure much of it it's being negotiated.
So we all have to wait and be patient.
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At this point, I really don't understand why the band is waiting this long. JP said they wanted it to be perfect. Unless there are major behind-the-scenes issues to work out, I don't see how this is anywhere near that expectation.
Casual fans of the band, who seem very un-confident about DT moving on, have to see all these events as a sign of weakness. For those who follow DT more closely, there's very little from the band other than "we swear this will be awesome."
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but the DT fanbase doesn't seem to be in the best of moods. I don't see how it's beneficial to the band to do nothing about that mood, and then extend the wait for the new drummer announcement so long that their fans become disinterested as they're unhappy.
Why do you want to fade away from the forefront of people's minds leaving a bad taste in their mouths?
Possibly worse, the band's getting close enough to the studio sessions that someone's going to snap a candid photo of the guy going in and out of work. Isn't that the worst way for this to go down?
certainly becoming more and more possible every day.
Waiting this long is consistent with behind the scenes lawsuits. Once lawyers are involved, things slow down and proceed very carefully. The website revisions and forum post modifications are consistent with careful consideration of legal implications. The "pushed out" vs "left the band" scenarios are key to the ultimate terms of a financial settlement. So announcing a new drummer prematurely could be hazardous to the ultimate settlement.
I can definitely see how this makes sense (lawsuits). It's very unfortunate that it has come to this point (if it indeed has) and we probably will never know exactly what happened. I have to say though, that it's fairly easy for me to know who to believe, based on what has happened and been said up to now.
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I can definitely see how this makes sense (lawsuits). It's very unfortunate that it has come to this point (if it indeed has) and we probably will never know exactly what happened. I have to say though, that it's fairly easy for me to know who to believe, based on what has happened and been said up to now.
Lifting Shadows Version 3?
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Ed: re. your post, Rob - I think most of the non-obsessives won't really care about the new drummer in any case, because they just like the music and don't have the great big weird mental relationship with DT that the rest of us do. We may be the only ones that cared in the first place. :lol
Possibly! But they care enough to buy it on release day.
I know a lot of DT fans. I seem to attract them. Bump into them all the time like a sort of nerdy magnet - I'm not convinced they're as rare as everyone says. Haven't seen any of them on the internet, but musicianship like DT's tends to generate an interest in the musicians behind it. Purely based on anecdotal evidence, but they tend to care who's behind the kit.
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Waiting this long is consistent with behind the scenes lawsuits. Once lawyers are involved, things slow down and proceed very carefully. The website revisions and forum post modifications are consistent with careful consideration of legal implications. The "pushed out" vs "left the band" scenarios are key to the ultimate terms of a financial settlement. So announcing a new drummer prematurely could be hazardous to the ultimate settlement.
Based on your posts you're either in the know or a good enough writer to fake it.
He's saying what I and a handful of others have suggested on this board and in this thread. He's not claiming inside knowledge (unlike ainamotore who made similar suggestions but did claim inside knowledge), and he's not stating what he's saying as absolute fact. He's speculating based on the way the law works and based on what little we've been able to observe from MP, the band, and their respective management (website changes), and it's perfectly logical to think that there may be a degree of legal wrangling delaying things concerning DT in the background. Nothing is stated as fact--it's merely speculation based on what we all have read and seen and the way splits of this magnitude tend to go down.
To deny outright this possibility is naivety or ignorance of our litigious society and the fact that Dream Theater is a huge business. To suggest he must be either "in the know" or "lying" is to completely misinterpret his posts.
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I don't think ReaPsTA was dismissing the possibility of legal wranglings, but simply commenting on Major Thirteenth's speculation based on the level of detail he describes. You're looking a bit too far into some people's posts.
So what big website changes are people all of a sudden talking about? Moving MP's info?
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I can definitely see how this makes sense (lawsuits). It's very unfortunate that it has come to this point (if it indeed has) and we probably will never know exactly what happened. I have to say though, that it's fairly easy for me to know who to believe, based on what has happened and been said up to now.
Lifting Shadows Version 3?
:lol
Yeah, probably!
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I don't think ReaPsTA was dismissing the possibility of legal wranglings, but simply commenting on Major Thirteenth's speculation based on the level of detail he describes. You're looking a bit too far into some people's posts.
So what big website changes are people all of a sudden talking about? Moving MP's info?
ReaPsTa's post:
Based on your posts you're either in the know or a good enough writer to fake it.
That's a simple either/or statement. I can't possibly read too much into that one. I'm saying it's likely neither and that Major's posts are just speculation based on what little we know--similar to speculation others have posted as well. None of it's been presented as fact except by JP's banned possible brother-in-law.
MP changing his website from "ex-" to "drummer" on the same day the DT site went down for ~12 hours or so had some people, myself included, speculating about legal issues surrounding the DT name. This was logical at the time, but never more than a possibility. Ten days later, or however long it's been, I admit I'm less inclined to believe there are problems with the DT name itself than I was on that particular day, but still view more general legal issues as a possibility that will likely be cleared up behind the scenes any time now, if not already, without fans like us ever knowing (until the next book maybe :P).
I find any possible legal issues less dire than before because of the fact that MP has gone vocal again and has been upfront with us all. That's all.
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Keep in mind that we're basically just the tip of the iceberg.
Most fans aren't following the message boards loyally. Some of them will have a gander now and then but not register. (hi guys!) Fewer still will contribute regularly.
This is basically the reactor core, and it's what - about 200 regular contributors strong? Out of 4,000 members total, I think that's probably a fair guess, although I'm not known for my brilliant estimates. Even when shit was kicking off, the peak readership was 800 at a time.
Compare that to Black Clouds & Silver Linings, which sold 40,000 copies in the USA in its first week.
I think you're overestimating how much of the fanbase has their ear to the ground. I'm a bit obsessed with Dream Theater so I'm on here constantly. Most people aren't. Heck, there are long-time members of this very board who've posted over this side asking what's going on. Think we're a fairly negligible cross-section.
Bingo.
I know a lot of DT fans in real life and not a single one of them has been keeping up with the news beyond what I've mentioned to them in passing. :lol
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We're not your ordinary fans, ariich.
To be honest, I'm not that stoked to hear who's the new drummer. I've said that I either want Lang or Minneman; to me is just a matter of time until we can confirm the announcement.
I can understand why ReaPsTA will say that the band has lost the opportunity to make the announcement because the fumes have been whined down and we've lost a good chance to keep the ball rolling. My opinion is that, even so, the fumes will still rise, likewise, either tomorrow (or the 25th for that matter) or in January. I don't think that the band has lost too much at stake with the failure of making an earlier announcement. When they can tell us, they will, and that will be, to me, the best time to do it.
That I will be disappointed or not with the name of the new drummer? That's another issue (that still has to be discussed in this thread).
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I think the problem lies in how the contracts for the new drummer and mp are going to be worded.
If the band decides to leave the door open for a future reunion, i'm ASSuming the band will not pay off MP like they did with the other former members. The payoff was given so that they won't get any royalties or sue the band for money "owed" to them. I would ASSume they are going to offer some kind of percentage points or something for the royalties and revenues the band generates. Now, I think the BIG problem will lie with the YTSEJAM bootlegs. Touring, merchandising and the bootlegs is were DT makes most of their money. Since MP has all of the recordings, that situation needs to be addressed. Would MP just hand them over without receiving compensation? (I highly doubt it). Or would MP negotiate some kind of percentage just on the bootlegs? Creative control over them? There are so many things to be negotiated without actually (well legally) closing the doors for MP. If it the band would have paid off MP, I'm pretty sure the drummer would have been announced long ago, since they would have only have to negotiate a lump figure just like with the other guys.
The new guy's contract is probably being negotiated too (would he get royalties of the new album (previous albums maybe)) or would he get paid monthly no matter what the band does or doesn't do; or would he be entitled to any of the money once MP returns (if he returns) or any lump figure in compensation if the agreement is broken off before a set timeframe.
This situation is more complicated than what appears to be. It's not just a matter of "hey guys, i'm sorry, let's get together in 4 yrs". The band is a business and their lifetime and main income (for both the current band, MP and probably the new drummer). maybe mike is negotiating a contract similar to steve perry, where he still gets income from the band and has input on some of the band's decision, even if he is "not in the band" anymore.
Finally, keep in mind that all of my words are purely speculation (just adding more to this thread :rollin) but in no way I know what's happening behind the scenes. I just finished reading a book called Tour Smart (about the music business and the touring part of it) and there's a whole lotta stuff covered so Im pretty sure much of it it's being negotiated.
So we all have to wait and be patient.
1. You are making a LOT of assumptions.
2. Your assumptions are dead-on. :) Whether or not you are correct about the specifics, none of us know. But in terms of the general issues you mentioned, the processes it takes to resolve them, and the amount of time it takes, you are definitely on the right track. Those are exactly the kinds of things that need to be worked out and require input from lawyers and a host of other people working behind the scenes, which means the whole process takes a LOT longer than your average music fan might think. No, I don't have any specific inside knowledge of what is going on with DT. But I am a lawyer, and I know a few things about how the music business works. The types of issues you mentioned are undoubtedly a big part of what is going on now.
3. To address Major Thirteenth, there is no lawsuit. I can say that with almost 100% certainty. If a lawsuit had been filed, it would be public record, and SOMEBODY would have blabbed about it to the press by now. Of course, that doesn't mean a lawsuit hasn't been threatened. But, honestly, I don't see things going down that road. I've seen all the information all the rest of you have seen, and I don't see anything that leads me to believe there would be the types of problems that have the people involved conemplating a lawsuit. It's possible, but I find it highly unlikely. However, I'm sure everyone is working hard to be very careful about every step in the process to try to avoid a lawsuit, which is time-consuming in and of itself and involves all the type of stuff Goo-Goo posted.
Most likely, that's all that is going on.
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We're not your ordinary fans, ariich.
No I know, that was exactly my point. :lol
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I guess I just don't agree. no band should rush to an end for the fans sake. I for one want them to get it right. Am I anxious? Hell yea. It's a good thing.
I don't realy hear to many people talking about wanting them to quit. And if some have stated that, they are foolish and self serving. It's their band.
King...you're not going to hear people talking here about the band hanging it up...but I believe in more than one magazine poll...the question was asked? Now that MP has quit should the band A) Move on with a replacement or B) Hang it up and call it a day
I think its even brought up in one of the Petrucci interviews he's done lately, where the reporter asked if he was familiar with what the polls where saying.
Then fans are asinine. The band need to make a living. Fan's need to hear the music first before going off the rails. I've got a better analogy, If the fans don't like what's going on with a TV show.....change the station.
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on another note
marco is ridiculous in this vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1thRCrBgoF0
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I can't believe we still don't know who it is.
I find it harder and harder to believe no one would have leaked the info by now if they'd actually hired a new drummer. I don't know, I think it's become suspicious, or at least it seems like they're stuck somehow.
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1. You are making a LOT of assumptions.
2. Your assumptions are dead-on. :) Whether or not you are correct about the specifics, none of us know. But in terms of the general issues you mentioned, the processes it takes to resolve them, and the amount of time it takes, you are definitely on the right track. Those are exactly the kinds of things that need to be worked out and require input from lawyers and a host of other people working behind the scenes, which means the whole process takes a LOT longer than your average music fan might think. No, I don't have any specific inside knowledge of what is going on with DT. But I am a lawyer, and I know a few things about how the music business works. The types of issues you mentioned are undoubtedly a big part of what is going on now.
3. To address Major Thirteenth, there is no lawsuit. I can say that with almost 100% certainty. If a lawsuit had been filed, it would be public record, and SOMEBODY would have blabbed about it to the press by now. Of course, that doesn't mean a lawsuit hasn't been threatened. But, honestly, I don't see things going down that road. I've seen all the information all the rest of you have seen, and I don't see anything that leads me to believe there would be the types of problems that have the people involved conemplating a lawsuit. It's possible, but I find it highly unlikely. However, I'm sure everyone is working hard to be very careful about every step in the process to try to avoid a lawsuit, which is time-consuming in and of itself and involves all the type of stuff Goo-Goo posted.
Most likely, that's all that is going on.
I will go on record as stating that a lawsuit will be difficult to avoid at this point. Here are my top 10 reasons:
1) The breakup was sudden and emotionally violent.
2) A 25-year relationship is unexpectedly, and to a large extent involuntarily terminated.
3) Both sides are "founding members" and possess legitimate claims to a large pool of rights, both tangible and intangible.
4) The value of those rights fall within a large money range.
5) It is in one party's interest to maximize that value and settle high.
6) It is in one party's interest to minimize that value and settle low.
7) It is unlikely, the way everything has played out, that good feelings will promote a quick settlement.
8) One party remains a going concern and will be able to generate financial resources to pay a settlement.
9) One party now needs income. Side projects are icing. There is presently the acute absence of a cake.
10) One party wants to get rid of the other party to create a new atmosphere of business stability. It is not without precedent that the other party could have a different goal.
I guess a filing will determine who is ultimately correct. I hope it is you. I would rather see a return of the focus on everyone's part to music production and touring.
But given the uncertainty with respect to the value of the franchise, the intangible nature of a good portion of the assets and uncertainty of their valuation, and the legitimate "emotional" title claims of both sides, I don't see how litigation will be avoided.
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1. You are making a LOT of assumptions.
2. Your assumptions are dead-on. :) Whether or not you are correct about the specifics, none of us know. But in terms of the general issues you mentioned, the processes it takes to resolve them, and the amount of time it takes, you are definitely on the right track. Those are exactly the kinds of things that need to be worked out and require input from lawyers and a host of other people working behind the scenes, which means the whole process takes a LOT longer than your average music fan might think. No, I don't have any specific inside knowledge of what is going on with DT. But I am a lawyer, and I know a few things about how the music business works. The types of issues you mentioned are undoubtedly a big part of what is going on now.
3. To address Major Thirteenth, there is no lawsuit. I can say that with almost 100% certainty. If a lawsuit had been filed, it would be public record, and SOMEBODY would have blabbed about it to the press by now. Of course, that doesn't mean a lawsuit hasn't been threatened. But, honestly, I don't see things going down that road. I've seen all the information all the rest of you have seen, and I don't see anything that leads me to believe there would be the types of problems that have the people involved conemplating a lawsuit. It's possible, but I find it highly unlikely. However, I'm sure everyone is working hard to be very careful about every step in the process to try to avoid a lawsuit, which is time-consuming in and of itself and involves all the type of stuff Goo-Goo posted.
Most likely, that's all that is going on.
I will go on record as stating that a lawsuit will be difficult to avoid at this point. Here are my top 10 reasons:
1) The breakup was sudden and emotionally violent.
2) A 25-year relationship is unexpectedly, and to a large extent involuntarily terminated.
3) Both sides are "founding members" and possess legitimate claims to a large pool of rights, both tangible and intangible.
4) The value of those rights fall within a large money range.
5) It is in one party's interest to maximize that value and settle high.
6) It is in one party's interest to minimize that value and settle low.
7) It is unlikely, the way everything has played out, that good feelings will promote a quick settlement.
8) One party remains a going concern and will be able to generate financial resources to pay a settlement.
9) One party now needs income. Side projects are icing. There is presently the acute absence of a cake.
10) One party wants to get rid of the other party to create a new atmosphere of business stability. It is not without precedent that the other party could have a different goal.
I guess a filing will determine who is ultimately correct. I hope it is you. I would rather see a return of the focus on everyone's part to music production and touring.
But given the uncertainty with respect to the value of the franchise, the intangible nature of a good portion of the assets and uncertainty of their valuation, and the legitimate "emotional" title claims of both sides, I don't see how litigation will be avoided.
But... but... Mike is the one who quit... :( You can't sue someone for quitting. You can't quit your job because you're tired of it and then sue your company for you quitting and it sucking. And you can't leave your wife (*sigh, I hate this analogy), and then sue her because you want to (ugh, this is painful) hang out with other women for a while, but then it didn't really work out.
He may sue, but if he does, I don't know... I won't like him very much anymore, I guess. It just doesn't seem fair.
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I agree Metabog. It would be REALLY silly for Mike to sue DT considering HE'S the one who left. I really don't think he's the kind of person to file a lawsuit though, esp. since we would have heard about it by now for reasons Bosk already stated. He's a bit outspoken, but to actively fight against old friends like that? He's better than that.
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Negotiations traditionally precede the filing of anything in court. Ideally, both sides come to an agreement and settle before anything is filed for the public to see. Let's hope it never reaches the courts, but no one is simply "better than that" when a load of money is involved.
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I don't know. I'd like to think Mike is. And even if he did sue (on the grounds of God-knows-what), that shouldn't really keep the new drummer's name from going public.
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I'm calling it right now. They'll announce the new drummer on the same day that they make their official "We're going into the studio" announcement.
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If all DT earnings were put into the DT corp and the members were paid salaries or monies on a regular basis, then MP would need to make sure that he is still getting back some of what he contributed to the current big pot right? Hard to explain, but MP still should have a right to some of that money unless there was a legal agreement that said "you quit, no money" or something like that.
That kinda stuff seems really tricky to me and could get quite messy. That is why lawyers are heavily involved. Maybe a severance package for MP and a contract for the new guy will need to be legally taken care of before the new DT moves forward???
Fingers crossed for Marco still.
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I still would like it to be Lang. I like what I have seen of him. If he has been "ruled out" I might have missed it.
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Lang fractured his foot earlier this month apparently... This was posted a few pages back:
https://nickmolenda.com/?p=218
It really seems like it will be Mangini at this point. Frankly, I'll be shocked if it isn't. I'd love for it to be Marco but I think he's happy doing his own thing.
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Whoever it is, I'm thinking we'll find out 6:00 am on the 25th.
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Whoever it is, I'm thinking we'll find out 6:00 am on the 25th.
I'm almost willing to bet that the amount of users on this page will reach a new peak at said time.
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Maybe they could screw with us even more and release the album with still no word and the band shot on the cover has a blacked out sillhouette of the drummer.
Oh that would be friggin hilarious....not!
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Please god let them announce it at 6.00 O'clock on a christmas morning. That would be the best thing ever!!! ;D
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Please god let them announce it at 6.00 O'clock on a christmas morning. That would be the best thing ever!!! ;D
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I shall be checking early tomorrow. I believe tomorrow is the day. Now all we have to figure out is the timezone. Im amazed they kept it quiet for so long.
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Even if they announce it 6:00 tomorrow, I'll wait til I get up at 9, presuming I can't get out of bed.
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It has to be announced tomorrow. I mean, come ON.
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Not sure if this has already been posted, but it's worth posting again anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxEhQRfkCfI&feature=player_embedded#!
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I have not seen that before. Man I'd be up for seeing some Piano blues on the next DT album. The way Marco was able to jump in like that makes me even more optimistic.
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Hell, I'd be waaaay up for just a blues effort from Jordan. My God, that was fantastic.
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Not sure if this has already been posted, but it's worth posting again anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxEhQRfkCfI&feature=player_embedded#!
That was really cool. I'd love some blues-based music from DT.
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Maybe they could screw with us even more and release the album with still no word and the band shot on the cover has a blacked out sillhouette of the drummer.
Oh that would be friggin hilarious....not!
...since DT's the type of band that grace their covers with pics of themselves
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Maybe they could screw with us even more and release the album with still no word and the band shot on the cover has a blacked out sillhouette of the drummer.
Oh that would be friggin hilarious....not!
...since DT's the type of band that grace their covers with pics of themselves
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/kevshmev/6inches2.jpg)
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In addition to the drummer silhouette, he can only be credited as 'Mr. L' on the sleeve.
Why 'Mr. L', I hear you ask? I have exclusive footage of band negotiations here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUMSzogqM_Y (It's short, but sweet) ;)
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I think everyone wasting their holiday waiting for the guys to handle any Dream Theater stuff on Christmas Day will be sorely disappointed.
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That's what I'm thinking as well. :lol
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That said, I plan on ignoring DTF for the entirety of my time home since I get to spend so very little there. So I'll see you guys all in about 10 days. Maybe they'll be something new to talk about then!
:metal
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That said, I plan on ignoring DTF for the entirety of my time home since I get to spend so very little there. So I'll see you guys all in about 10 days. Maybe they'll be something new to talk about then!
:metal
Watch, the new drummer will be announced right when you log off.
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That said, I plan on ignoring DTF for the entirety of my time home since I get to spend so very little there. So I'll see you guys all in about 10 days. Maybe they'll be something new to talk about then!
:metal
Yeah, right, you'll be up at 5:00 AM tomorrow, with the rest of the forum, to wait for the news. :rollin
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Metabog, did I see you on 5/8 with an awesome post in their DT thread?
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Metabog, did I see you on 5/8 with an awesome post in their DT thread?
Probably. :D
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Nice. I post there occasionally, though this is my internet home for sure.
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Nice. I post there occasionally, though this is my internet home for sure.
Well my internet home used to be the mp forum, but I got banned there years ago. Strangely enough, I still go there for some reason as if it was my home page, even though I know I can't post and nobody knows I exist anymore despite all the cool threads we had, and even though I don't even like MP that much anymore. But this place seems ok. What I hate is that I had a really stupid avatar picture of me when I was like 16, that I can't change now and it's forever immortalized into the forum history.
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I hope it's not Rod Morganstein, because I'm already missing out on Mangini lessons. Mangini has def. stopped for the upcoming semester, and does not respond to DT related questions. This, coupled with my friend who talks to Marco telling me that it is Mangini, makes me 90% positive it is him.
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I hope it's not Rod Morganstein, because I'm already missing out on Mangini lessons. Mangini has def. stopped for the upcoming semester, and does not respond to DT related questions. This, coupled with my friend who talks to Marco telling me that it is Mangini, makes me 90% positive it is him.
Holy crap, I forgot that you went there. Hmm....
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I'm inclined to take the "my friend who supposedly talks to Marco told me..." bit with a shaker of salt. Hopefully when you say Mangini has stopped for the semester it means he's taking up some other part-time gig, because a new DT drummer would quit the job altogether, not just for a semester.
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I wish it was one of these guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln6b_nBM-V8
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I believe Marco is doing session work for my friend's band. I don't fully believe it either, but it's all the inside scoop I have. IDK if Mangini is quitting beyond next semester, as the schedule only has next semester dates listed.
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I believe Marco is doing session work for my friend's band. I don't fully believe it either, but it's all the inside scoop I have. IDK if Mangini is quitting beyond next semester, as the schedule only has next semester dates listed.
Does he do summer courses? I don't think professors know their schedules for the next school year, but the summer is usually the end of the school year for colleges.
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I wish it was one of these guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln6b_nBM-V8
Haha three of the finest drummers in the world right there, and everything they played was pretty much harder than the entire discography combined. I don't see how people could watch that and even try to contest that metal is more difficult.
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I wish it was one of these guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln6b_nBM-V8
I couldn't watch more than five minutes of that before I started feeling the urge to murder myself due to a realization that I am worthless as a drummer.
Thanks. My self esteem needed that. It's down to -6 now.
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I hope it's not Rod Morganstein, because I'm already missing out on Mangini lessons. Mangini has def. stopped for the upcoming semester, and does not respond to DT related questions. This, coupled with my friend who talks to Marco telling me that it is Mangini, makes me 90% positive it is him.
We'll know soon enough either way since DT will be in the studio in a few days to beginning writing and recording their next epic album.
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I wish it was one of these guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln6b_nBM-V8
Haha three of the finest drummers in the world right there, and everything they played was pretty much harder than the entire discography combined. I don't see how people could watch that and even try to contest that metal is more difficult.
The styles seem very similar to me besides the way they hold the stick and the heaviness of the sound lol. It doesnt look harder or easier to me. It looks damn hard on both sides.
I'm a guitarist though so that's just a blind eye.
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I'm inclined to take the "my friend who supposedly talks to Marco told me..." bit with a shaker of salt. Hopefully when you say Mangini has stopped for the semester it means he's taking up some other part-time gig, because a new DT drummer would quit the job altogether, not just for a semester.
I feel like whenever people say stuff like that on the DTF, it usually ends up being...
True.
I'm probably just being selective with my memory, but for whatever reason, I 100% believe these people as long as they don't sound like morons and their stories make sense.
If it ain't Mangini at this point, I'll be shocked.
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Not sure if this has already been posted, but it's worth posting again anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxEhQRfkCfI&feature=player_embedded#!
This is why we need to keep him away from his fancy continuum fingerboards and synth solos sometimes!
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Based on their interactions with each other just from that video, my hopes for Marco getting the job have increased tenfold.
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Based on their interactions with each other just from that video, my hopes for Marco getting the job have increased tenfold.
Same here! I think if all DT wants to do is replace Mike Portnoy for solid playing and stage presence, then Mike Mangini would be there guy. If they want to replace him with the JR of the Drum world, then I beleive Marco is their guy.
Originally I was leaning towards Mike Mangini but that has now shifted towards Minneman.
If Marco gets the gig, I would expect the next DT album would be a return to form.
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Also, looks like Marco's Guest Book on his site has been hijacked by some imposters pretending to be MP, JR, JP and JLB congratulating him on getting the gig.
There are some sad people out there....
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Eh, I'm not too surprised about this, to be honest. Anonymity carries such things like nothing else.
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Good point...
Last post from me, if this isnt the next DT drummer then they obviously made some kind of serious mistake ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah5-kYva_8c&feature=fvw
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The one reality for me from watching all these videos of various drummers is there are so many great ones out there. Finding a guy talent wise is easy, its finding someone that fits in well that's important. One thing is certain, DT will have a great drummer no matter what.
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Wait, people still have guestbooks on their websites?
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Been a DT a long time but just recently found this board. While I prefer Lang I think it will be Marco or Mangini, only because they have collaborated with various members of DT in the past. Saying that, I think Marco or Lang bring more to the band as far as songwriting.
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Been a DT a long time but just recently found this board. While I prefer Lang I think it will be Marco or Mangini, only because they have collaborated with various members of DT in the past. Saying that, I think Marco or Lang bring more to the band as far as songwriting.
Welcome to the board!
:tick2:
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Same here! I think if all DT wants to do is replace Mike Portnoy for solid playing and stage presence, then Mike Mangini would be there guy. If they want to replace him with the JR of the Drum world, then I beleive Marco is their guy.
Originally I was leaning towards Mike Mangini but that has now shifted towards Minneman.
I agree with this.
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Just saw this clip from Marco, it's really progressive, it kind of reminds me of ELP. I can just imagine DT doing an instrumental a la Dance of Eternity with Marco... I guess one can dream. :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoFqS2X2v54&feature=related
and this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCK-_VfGvtI&feature=related
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Same here! I think if all DT wants to do is replace Mike Portnoy for solid playing and stage presence, then Mike Mangini would be there guy. If they want to replace him with the JR of the Drum world, then I beleive Marco is their guy.
Originally I was leaning towards Mike Mangini but that has now shifted towards Minneman.
I agree with this.
Is there a choice that would upset you? I will be ok with whomever they choose.
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Nope, no choice will upset me (lol at the word upset...MY HEART IS BROKEN OH WHY DT lol).
I mean, DT is DT. MP != DT, and while the music will obviously change (like it was going to anyway), I am just excited to see a new drummer's presence in the band, to see what it's like. I'm just looking forward to more DT, no matter what preferences I have for a new drummer.
So, if they want a drummer that will play MP's role in writing music, I'm fine with that (as I loved BC&SL). If they really wanna turn their music on their heads and prove that DT does not equal MP, then that's awesome, too. I don't like to get hung up about those things, because why should it? It's just music at the end of the day, and what happens happens; it's beyond my control. Speculating is nice, but it does take time away from sometimes simply enjoying the music.
That was longer than I thought it would be. :tard
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I really will be a tad dissapointed if its not Marco, I think his style and sound is great
if not, then bring me my Zombie back!!
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Realistically I don't think that their next album will be radically different from their last ones, regardless of what drummer they choose. They have gained a huge amount of fans and success in the past 5 years so I don't think they'll deviate too far. That said though, it is interesting to hear that James Labrie (or was it Petrucci?) recently said something to the effect of "we do have a specific idea of what kind of album it will be, but this will all be revealed in time".
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This was just posted on Blabbermouth... I know it's Blabbermouth and thruth is they say nothing about where the rumor originates... So take it with a grain of salt.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=151559
The wording on this part of the BM news bit reads like it was take off a press release though:
"Not only is Minnemann a world-class drumming innovator, having brought stunned audiences to their feet at most every major drum festival in the world, but he is also a musical renaissance man. His eclectic musical skills include composing, producing, and engineering, as well as being a multi-instrumentalist on guitar, bass, keyboards, and vocals. Minnemann has seven multi-faceted solo recordings to his name, along with several outstanding recordings with his former band, ILLEGAL ALIENS, and numerous recordings as a sideman and producer, working with such artists as Paul Gilbert (MR. BIG), Mike Keneally (FRANK ZAPPA) and European superstar Nina Hagen."
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Yeah I'd definitely take that with a grain of salt. Blabbermouth will try splice anything together to make a 'headline'
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This was just posted on Blabbermouth... I know it's Blabbermouth and thruth is they say nothing about where the rumor originates... So take it with a grain of salt.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=151559
The wording on this part of the BM news bit reads like it was take off a press release though:
"Not only is Minnemann a world-class drumming innovator, having brought stunned audiences to their feet at most every major drum festival in the world, but he is also a musical renaissance man. His eclectic musical skills include composing, producing, and engineering, as well as being a multi-instrumentalist on guitar, bass, keyboards, and vocals. Minnemann has seven multi-faceted solo recordings to his name, along with several outstanding recordings with his former band, ILLEGAL ALIENS, and numerous recordings as a sideman and producer, working with such artists as Paul Gilbert (MR. BIG), Mike Keneally (FRANK ZAPPA) and European superstar Nina Hagen."
Beat me too it.
I am waiting for an official announcement.
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take it with a grain of salt.
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I know blabbermouth is known to print just about anything, but what gets me is the site is run by Roadrunner Records which DT is signed too. Why would RR allow this stuff about one of their own bands if there wasn't some truth in it.
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I know blabbermouth is known to print just about anything, but what gets me is the site is run by Roadrunner Records which DT is signed too. Why would RR allow this stuff about one of their own bands if there wasn't some truth in it.
This is what I'm thinkin.
I like Minnemann's playing much more than Mangini's though, so I'd be happy if it's real.
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Time to unlock Aniland's thread! :lol
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I will be happy...I never liked mangini's playing..
this is looking quite positive!!
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I know blabbermouth is known to print just about anything, but what gets me is the site is run by Roadrunner Records which DT is signed too. Why would RR allow this stuff about one of their own bands if there wasn't some truth in it.
There is a disclaimer on the blabbermouth website:
BLABBERMOUTH.NET is run and operated independently of Roadrunner Records. The accuracy of the information contained herein is neither confirmed nor guaranteed by Roadrunner Records, and the views and opinions of authors expressed on these pages do not necessarily state or reflect those of Roadrunner Records or its employees.
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Although, I am not saying that there is not anything to this rumor, but it is still just a rumor until DT announces it.
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This is one rumor I hope to be 100% true.
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I wouldn't have a problem with that.
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Neither would I. But that article really bothers me. Technically, everything in it is accurate, but it is spun in a way that implies quite a few things that are NOT true. Keep in mind that, at this stage, that information is strictly rumor. See announcement here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=19463.0
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We'll find out soon enough I guess. If there IS any merit to their "strong rumor", I think we'll get official word sometime in the next 2 days or so.
But in reality, I think they probably just read some thread on here and decided they'd stir up some excitement by announcing the rumor. :lol
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https://gunshyassassin.com/news/does-dream-theater-have-a-new-drummer/
"This rumor is going to end up being true, folks, because I heard it some time ago, and now Blabbermouth is reporting it. That means that shit is true"
:facepalm:
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https://gunshyassassin.com/news/does-dream-theater-have-a-new-drummer/
"This rumor is going to end up being true, folks, because I heard it some time ago, and now Blabbermouth is reporting it. That means that shit is true"
:facepalm:
:rollin
hahahaha... Barack Obama is white... Stevie Wonder said it himself... Ergo ... its true... ;D
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lolblabbermouth
Also, that sticky thread got me excited for a second. :lol
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lolblabbermouth
Also, that sticky thread got me excited for a second. :lol
Yeah, that thread title is really misleading from the front page.... :lol
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I specifically tried my hardest to make it NOT misleading by adding "nothing yet" to the title.
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I specifically tried my hardest to make it NOT mismeading by adding "nothing yet" to the title.
..umm..it didn't work.. :D
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:lol Apparently not.
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I specifically tried my hardest to make it NOT mismeading by adding "nothing yet" to the title.
You can't see that from the front page though. :p Maybe put "No" at the very beginning of the thread title? Because from the forum index you only see the first half of the thread title. :lol
EDIT - Actually, nevermind, it won't be showing up on the index anymore anyways since no one can post in it. :p
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I'll only add "No" if the whole sentence can be "No, neither Six Degrees nor Octavarium are concept albums."
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I'll only add "No" if the whole sentence can be "No, neither Six Degrees nor Octavarium are concept albums."
I'd approve of this.
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I'll only add "No" if the whole sentence can be "No, neither Six Degrees nor Octavarium are concept albums."
:lol
But.... I heard a rumour that they ARE concept albums before anyone else even mentioned it, therefore it must be true!
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But it wasn't posted on Blabbermouth. :neverusethis:
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I don't understand Blabbermouth. They don't seem to report real news half the time, they just write stuff and people get all excited. Their 'rumor' article today cites absolutely no sources whatsoever. They quote a Petrucci post from a month ago and call it news.
And if it is true, then why would Roadrunner let a site that they own steal their own thunder?
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And if it is true, then why would Roadrunner let a site that they own steal their own thunder?
That's a good question.
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And if it is true, then why would Roadrunner let a site that they own steal their own thunder?
That's a good question.
I have posted this prior in the thread. Blabbermouth is completely independent of Road Runner Records.
From Blabbermouth:
BLABBERMOUTH.NET is run and operated independently of Roadrunner Records. The accuracy of the information contained herein is neither confirmed nor guaranteed by Roadrunner Records, and the views and opinions of authors expressed on these pages do not necessarily state or reflect those of Roadrunner Records or its employees.
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Regardless of having resigned I have to believe MP is still the drummer until all the legal obligations are taken care of. If it's a messy divorce then the longer it will take to announce the new member. I have never looked into the business structure of the band so I don't know what Mike is entitled to upon leaving.
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this is my first post in the DT forum....so i say hello to all!!!!
i have said from the beginning MP left DT that it would be MM.
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this is my first post in the DT forum....so i say hello to all!!!!
Welcome to DTF!
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i have said from the beginning MP left DT that it would be MM.
:rollin Nice.
Oh, and welcome.
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i have said from the beginning MP left DT that it would be MM.
But... which one?!
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i have said from the beginning MP left DT that it would be MM.
But... which one?!
MM, dude.
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Oh yeah, silly me.
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Classic Rock Magazine is now stating the same as Blabbermouth https://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/dream-theater-is-this-the-new-drummer/
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Whatever gets them readers.
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All I know is that Marco Minnemann + Paul Gilbert = WIN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LljL8ymUQ-c
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Whatever gets them readers.
Oh absolutely...
I am not saying whether there is truth or untruth in the "rumor" article. I am simply stating the fact that Classic Rock Magazine is now reporting the same thing.
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All I know is that Marco Minnemann + Paul Gilbert = WIN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LljL8ymUQ-c
Hell Yeah, that one is awesome! :metal
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Looks like the DT Wikipedia page and Marco's have been changed as well to include his name as a band member...some people have too much free time on their hands.
Rumor or not, it will be interesting to see if DT respond to these articles by a) Denouncing the articles as pure speculation b) Confirming that its not Marco c) Confirming that it is Marco d) Staying Silent e) announcing who it is
I think someone in the grape vine at RoadRunner has let it slip who the new drummer is to Blabbermouth and being the official label but still wanting to grab headlines, there would be no reason why they wouldnt leak it to a subsidiary to get advertising revenue but by not breaching any non-disclosure or gag impositions. That way they release all liability of announcing it officially and still at the end of the day get the bottom line revenue that blabbermouth will make in traffic.
Just a thought....
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Classic Rock Magazine is now stating the same as Blabbermouth https://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/dream-theater-is-this-the-new-drummer/
Yeah, but they're only quoting Blabbermouth.
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Just so I understand what's going on here.
Minneman played a show with Rudess, consistent with how good musicians like to play shows with each other when their main projects aren't busy.
Mike Mangini's whole life has changed for a reason he hasn't disclosed, and when asked about being in Dream Theater he doesn't say yes or no and clams up.
And the buzz is that Minneman is the new drummer?
I understand this inasmuch as a lot of people want Minneman and it colors their thinking, but it's still confusing on some level.
The only good counter I can think of is that Roadrunner is letting these stories run to build up hype in lieu of an official announcement.
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Until very recently, the buzz was surrounding Mangini and pretty much only Mangini. I'm not sure what happened to change that.
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The Blabbermouth article seemed very PR oriented. I wouldn't be surprised if RR "put in a good word" to the folks at Blabber. RR (and other band associates) surely know by now, it just can't be publicly confirmed yet. Personally, I think it's a contract issue holding up an official announcement. MP's contract may officially terminate first of the year (Hence the title tweak on his site.), and Minnemann's will pick up officially first of the year... allowing the announcement to be made.
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This is one rumor I hope to be 100% true.
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idk, it kinda makes more sense if you look at it objectively
blabbermouth vs. Mangini canceling all his classes at Berklee for next semester.
I honestly don't know much about the evidence pointing to either side, but it seems that a blabbermouth article started this whole thing into motion. It's so crazy how quickly something that is purely speculative and a rumor can be blown out of proportion when honestly, NONE of us have any idea who the drummer really is. In reality, it could be someone we've never heard of.
/rant.
Edit: "something that is purely speculative and a rumor "
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Interestingly, Mike Mangini's website has changed to "This entire site will be changed in 2011" and his facebook is completely disabled which were both working a week ago.
So he quit as a drum teacher at Berklee around the same time as DT said they chose a new drummer.
His website is being completely overhauled after years of negligible updates?
His facebook is down? He has stopped doing lessons as far as we know? He is apparently dodging questions about DT?
Looks like we have a winner...
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Mangini could be fun ...
But a part of me is still hoping for Kevin Moore :rollin
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I don't know why I didn't look into Minnemann until tonight. I would certainly like to see that kind of funk in Dream Theater, despite it being rather uncharacteristic of their previous work.
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I'm really hoping for Marco, but something tells me he would be one musician too many in the band who can shred guitar! ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuljhS7fTRg
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I approve on people changing their votes to hope that it is Miniman.
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As per Blabbermouth:
"Acclaimed drummer Marco Minnemann (KREATOR, NECROPHAGIST, EPHEL DUATH, JOE SATRIANI) has laid down the drum tracks for the third album from the Italian alternative/progressive metal band POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER. Entitled "A Sense Of Decay", the CD is tentatively scheduled ror release in May 2011 via My Kingdom Music.
According to a press release, "A Sense Of Decay" will contain 13 songs with a running time of around 60 minutes. The CD will be mixed by Jim Caruana, who has previously worked with JEFF BUCKLEY, BLACK EYED PEAS and BEYONCE, among others. A 15-date European tour with Marco Minnemann on drums will follow the album release."
I am getting kind of disappointed cause I want him to be the new guy in DT, but it doesn't seem very likely now does it? :'(
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If that is true, then...
...Lang has the hurt foot.
...Minneman is committed to other projects.
...Mangini has an open schedule.
Even with those two not being totally confirmed (Blabbermouth and word of mouth, respectively), I am pretty convinced that it is Mangini.
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If it is Mangini then he mus have played a blinder at the audition, and nothing like any of the Youtube videos I've watched of him.
Either that or he's the nicest guy you'd ever meet.
Maybe he has a van and a PA and offered to be the designated driver?
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If it is Mangini then he mus have played a blinder at the audition, and nothing like any of the Youtube videos I've watched of him.
Either that or he's the nicest guy you'd ever meet.
Maybe he has a van and a PA and offered to be the designated driver?
:rollin :lol
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As per Blabbermouth:
"Acclaimed drummer Marco Minnemann (KREATOR, NECROPHAGIST, EPHEL DUATH, JOE SATRIANI) has laid down the drum tracks for the third album from the Italian alternative/progressive metal band POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER. Entitled "A Sense Of Decay", the CD is tentatively scheduled ror release in May 2011 via My Kingdom Music.
According to a press release, "A Sense Of Decay" will contain 13 songs with a running time of around 60 minutes. The CD will be mixed by Jim Caruana, who has previously worked with JEFF BUCKLEY, BLACK EYED PEAS and BEYONCE, among others. A 15-date European tour with Marco Minnemann on drums will follow the album release."
I am getting kind of disappointed cause I want him to be the new guy in DT, but it doesn't seem very likely now does it? :'(
If Minnemann is the chosen one, I guess the band would be aware of his commitments and adjust their schedule. It's not like members of this band haven't toured with other bands.
By May, the DT studio time will probably be over and the only date that has been announced is the High Voltage in the end of July. So, Minnemann (if chosen) will be able to tour with the other band on May/June.
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As per Blabbermouth:
"Acclaimed drummer Marco Minnemann (KREATOR, NECROPHAGIST, EPHEL DUATH, JOE SATRIANI) has laid down the drum tracks for the third album from the Italian alternative/progressive metal band POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER. Entitled "A Sense Of Decay", the CD is tentatively scheduled ror release in May 2011 via My Kingdom Music.
According to a press release, "A Sense Of Decay" will contain 13 songs with a running time of around 60 minutes. The CD will be mixed by Jim Caruana, who has previously worked with JEFF BUCKLEY, BLACK EYED PEAS and BEYONCE, among others. A 15-date European tour with Marco Minnemann on drums will follow the album release."
I am getting kind of disappointed cause I want him to be the new guy in DT, but it doesn't seem very likely now does it? :'(
If Minnemann is the chosen one, I guess the band would be aware of his commitments and adjust their schedule. It's not like members of this band haven't toured with other bands.
By May, the DT studio time will probably be over and the only date that has been announced is the High Voltage in the end of July. So, Minnemann (if chosen) will be able to tour with the other band on May/June.
I have no idea how you can read that and still think "It's probably Marco" or even "It's possibly Marco".
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Well, shoot! I just got official confirmation through an anonymous but reliable source that it's not Herman Rarebell. *crosses off list* :(
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Well, shoot! I just got official confirmation through an anonymous but reliable source that it's not Herman Rarebell. *crosses off list* :(
I was just kidding about being Myungs hair dresser dude.
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If Minnemann is the chosen one, I guess the band would be aware of his commitments and adjust their schedule. It's not like members of this band haven't toured with other bands.
By May, the DT studio time will probably be over and the only date that has been announced is the High Voltage in the end of July. So, Minnemann (if chosen) will be able to tour with the other band on May/June.
Point taken. However after reading a JP interview where he was asked what he learned this year and him answering "Don't let your drummer play for another band", I would be kind of surprised if they chose Marco.
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As per Blabbermouth:
"Acclaimed drummer Marco Minnemann (KREATOR, NECROPHAGIST, EPHEL DUATH, JOE SATRIANI) has laid down the drum tracks for the third album from the Italian alternative/progressive metal band POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER. Entitled "A Sense Of Decay", the CD is tentatively scheduled ror release in May 2011 via My Kingdom Music.
According to a press release, "A Sense Of Decay" will contain 13 songs with a running time of around 60 minutes. The CD will be mixed by Jim Caruana, who has previously worked with JEFF BUCKLEY, BLACK EYED PEAS and BEYONCE, among others. A 15-date European tour with Marco Minnemann on drums will follow the album release."
I am getting kind of disappointed cause I want him to be the new guy in DT, but it doesn't seem very likely now does it? :'(
I know nothing about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder's music, but this clip of Marco recording drums for one of their songs makes me wish he is indeed coming into the Dream Theater camp...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImKxWxw9C2U
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I have no idea how you can read that and still think "It's probably Marco" or even "It's possibly Marco".
If you read my post, I used "if". The only thing we've been doing since MP's departure, is pure speculation. Be it for the drummers that auditioned, the reasons the drummer announcement is delayed, etc. etc. So, since we speculate, I think I'm not out of the context here.
Point taken. However after reading a JP interview where he was asked what he learned this year and him answering "Don't let your drummer play for another band", I would be kind of surprised if they chose Marco.
I think JP was joking when he made that statement!
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I have no idea how you can read that and still think "It's probably Marco" or even "It's possibly Marco".
If you read my post, I used "if". The only thing we've been doing since MP's departure, is pure speculation. Be it for the drummers that auditioned, the reasons the drummer announcement is delayed, etc. etc. So, since we speculate, I think I'm not out of the context here.
Just seems pointless to speculate. Why not speculate that people who have said they aren't going to join have changed their minds or something. Speculation is only really good for discussion if it is based off of............something.
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Maybe they´re waiting for Lang´s foot to heal :o
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Or maybe they are not :o
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I'm still not changing my wote from Peter Wildoer. If you can read some swedish and use some time googling I still think it's him.
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I still think you are him ;)
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I'm still not changing my wote from Peter Wildoer. If you can read some swedish and use some time googling I still think it's him.
He's my favorite choice too, but I think he posted "yeah, Dream Theater would have been cool" or something like that, so I really doubt it's him.
If it DOES somehow turn out to be him , I'd smileum everywhere.
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He said exactly that.
But please, since most people can't read swedish here, translate something that poins to him.
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I still think you are him ;)
Ha ha ha. No I am not, I am Petter from Norway. You can check out my previous band ( with picture and all) here: www.myspace.com/promethic . I will not be percived as someone I am not.
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If it is Mangini then he mus have played a blinder at the audition, and nothing like any of the Youtube videos I've watched of him. Either that or he's the nicest guy you'd ever meet. Maybe he has a van and a PA and offered to be the designated driver?
DT: "Well, he's not that great of a drummer, but he's got a van and a PA, so what the fuck..."
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I think Martin Lopez would be awesome but highly unlikely, same with Gavin Harrison.
I am thinking it comes down to Marco and Mike. Therefore i have to give my vote to
:hefdaddyMike Mangini :hefdaddy
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On the other hand, neither Ricky Martin nor George Lopez would be awesome or likely.
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On the other hand, neither Ricky Martin nor George Lopez would be awesome or likely.
A 20 minute version of La Vida Loca.................
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On the other hand, neither Ricky Martin nor George Lopez would be awesome or likely.
A 20 minute version of La Vida Loca.................
...interrupted every few minutes by strings of Chicano jokes that nobody thinks are funny.
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Where's Paul Rodriguez when you need him.
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Still waiting by the fax machine for Cheech Marin to send over the latest list of jokes that wound up on the cutting room floor, last I heard. Why do you ask?
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Still waiting by the fax machine for Cheech Marin to send over the latest list of jokes that wound up on the cutting room floor, last I heard. Why do you ask?
I figured they were with Pablo Francisco doing the "I don't get your jokes Comedy Tour".
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Where's Paul Rodriguez when you need him.
Driving around in the CHevy!
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As per Blabbermouth:
"Acclaimed drummer Marco Minnemann (KREATOR, NECROPHAGIST, EPHEL DUATH, JOE SATRIANI) has laid down the drum tracks for the third album from the Italian alternative/progressive metal band POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER. Entitled "A Sense Of Decay", the CD is tentatively scheduled ror release in May 2011 via My Kingdom Music.
According to a press release, "A Sense Of Decay" will contain 13 songs with a running time of around 60 minutes. The CD will be mixed by Jim Caruana, who has previously worked with JEFF BUCKLEY, BLACK EYED PEAS and BEYONCE, among others. A 15-date European tour with Marco Minnemann on drums will follow the album release."
I am getting kind of disappointed cause I want him to be the new guy in DT, but it doesn't seem very likely now does it? :'(
15 dates is probably just over a month of touring. That doesn't stop him from joining DT; he can record in January, tour in February or March, and join DT full-time after that.
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As per Blabbermouth:
"Acclaimed drummer Marco Minnemann (KREATOR, NECROPHAGIST, EPHEL DUATH, JOE SATRIANI) has laid down the drum tracks for the third album from the Italian alternative/progressive metal band POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER. Entitled "A Sense Of Decay", the CD is tentatively scheduled ror release in May 2011 via My Kingdom Music.
According to a press release, "A Sense Of Decay" will contain 13 songs with a running time of around 60 minutes. The CD will be mixed by Jim Caruana, who has previously worked with JEFF BUCKLEY, BLACK EYED PEAS and BEYONCE, among others. A 15-date European tour with Marco Minnemann on drums will follow the album release."
I am getting kind of disappointed cause I want him to be the new guy in DT, but it doesn't seem very likely now does it? :'(
15 dates is probably just over a month of touring. That doesn't stop him from joining DT; he can record in January, tour in February or March, and join DT full-time after that.
yes, but he will tour with PTSD sometime after/in May 2011.
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Yeah, the schedules don't conflict. He's finished recording with PTSD by the sounds of things, and any tour would probably take place in the three-month promo gap between the DT album's completion and its eventual release.
Definitely doable. Doesn't preclude anything. But I still think Mangini's the more likely candidate.
Minnemann's my preference, though, so hey!
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Yeah, the schedules don't conflict. He's finished recording with PTSD by the sounds of things, and any tour would probably take place in the three-month promo gap between the DT album's completion and its eventual release.
Definitely doable. Doesn't preclude anything. But I still think Mangini's the more likely candidate.
Minnemann's my preference, though, so hey!
I like Minnemann a lot too, but I am sure whoever it is, he/she will be awesome.
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I like Minnemann a lot too, but I am sure whoever it is, he/she will be awesome.
As noble as your intentions are...that really isn't necessary. :P
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Still holding hope out for Ringo :lol
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I like Minnemann a lot too, but I am sure whoever it is, he/she will be awesome.
As noble as your intentions are...that really isn't necessary. :P
Uh...OK... :chill
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I like Minnemann a lot too, but I am sure whoever it is, he/she will be awesome.
As noble as your intentions are...that really isn't necessary. :P
Uh...OK... :chill
I don't think he meant that in a "THAT IS NOT NECESSARY YOUNG MAN" kinda way, just like a "Yeah i'm pretty sure there's no chance of it being a woman"
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I like Minnemann a lot too, but I am sure whoever it is, he/she will be awesome.
As noble as your intentions are...that really isn't necessary. :P
Uh...OK... :chill
I don't think he meant that in a "THAT IS NOT NECESSARY YOUNG MAN" kinda way, just like a "Yeah i'm pretty sure there's no chance of it being a woman"
Probably not, but you never know. Plus I don't want to leave anyone out.
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When (or at this point, if) the new drummer is announced, it would be cool if they let us know why it took so long.
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When (or at this point, if) the new drummer is announced, it would be cool if they let us know why it took so long.
I agree.
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It hasn't taken "so long." This is pretty normal. It's just that you have people posting about it every day on the Internet instead of just not thinking about it and focusing on other things in your life.
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It hasn't taken "so long." This is pretty normal. It's just that you have people posting about it every day on the Internet instead of just not thinking about it and focusing on other things in your life.
I guess this is true, however some bands have replaced members much quicker. However, this is one of Dream Theater's biggest decisions, so I guess they would want to take their time.
BTW, nice forum you got here...
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Yeah. Like from the thread I started on how it affects listening habits, why is it affecting people so much? I know that I wanna know who it is right now, but whatever, we will know in time. Life goes on, it really shouldn't affect people's lives as much as it seems to.
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BTW, nice forum you got here...
We're glad to have you, you should stay and get a huge post count. :tup
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BTW, nice forum you got here...
We're glad to have you, you should stay and get a huge post count. :tup
Sure. Plus, we will have a lot more to talk about once the new drummer is announced and then of course the new album. :metal
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And the tour, and possibly a DVD, and what's going on the MP world, and 2012 and the end of the world.
The list goes on and on and then sorta stops.
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And the tour, and possibly a DVD, and what's going on the MP world, and 2012 and the end of the world.
The list goes on and on and then sorta stops.
Hell yeah, although new research may prove that the person who interpreted the Mayan calender may be wrong and it does not end on Dec 21, 2012.
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Oh come on! I already put my two years' notice in to my job.
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Oh come on! I already put my two years' notice in to my job.
:lol
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It hasn't taken "so long." This is pretty normal. It's just that you have people posting about it every day on the Internet instead of just not thinking about it and focusing on other things in your life.
Touche
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Have you ever guys thought that the band (for any reason) may have changed their original decision on the new drummer and that the delay has to do with that also???
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Have you ever guys thought that the band (for any reason) may have changed their original decision on the new drummer and that the delay has to do with that also???
OR, OR, Kevin Moore's audition was so mindblowing, it's taking longer than expected for DT to bounce back to normal life.
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If they really did get Marco, then DT have the worst PR people in history.
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Changed my vote to Minnemann.
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Changed my vote to Minnemann.
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Changed my vote to Mangini. No clue why everyone seems to think it's going to be a guy who is already set to play with a different band.
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I'm hoping that since all talk about Lang being the guy has died down ALOT, that he is actually the chosen one... :)
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I'm 99% confident it's Marco. Leaks happen and when certain leaks happen consistantly like in the case of Marco it starts to make you wonder how many people out there have the same friend who thinks he's an authority. So my vote is on Marco given the rumor of him has gone from weak to strong in a matter of days.
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I'm 99% confident it's Marco. Leaks happen and when certain leaks happen consistantly like in the case of Marco it starts to make you wonder how many people out there have the same friend who thinks he's an authority. So my vote is on Marco given the rumor of him has gone from weak to strong in a matter of days.
There haven't been any leaks. Just people saying random stuff.
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Changed my vote to Minnemann.
Me too.
I would've wished it was Lang, which was the person holding my vote at first, but there's more things pointing at Marco. Manginni might be the one, too, but I can't vote for two options at the same time :mehlin
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I'm 99% confident it's Marco. Leaks happen and when certain leaks happen consistantly like in the case of Marco it starts to make you wonder how many people out there have the same friend who thinks he's an authority. So my vote is on Marco given the rumor of him has gone from weak to strong in a matter of days.
What leaks? There were a couple of outright rumours and that was it as far I know.
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I'm 99% confident it's Marco. Leaks happen and when certain leaks happen consistantly like in the case of Marco it starts to make you wonder how many people out there have the same friend who thinks he's an authority. So my vote is on Marco given the rumor of him has gone from weak to strong in a matter of days.
There haven't been any leaks. Just people saying random stuff.
This!
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Bosk quoted me.
And didn't add a ban to it.
Woah.
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Bosk quoted me.
And didn't add a ban to it.
Woah.
Sarcasm.
Bant.
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My vote is still for Thomas Lang, he is my first choice both on technical skills and potential to bring DT to the next level, however Marco is also an excellent choice he is my second favorite . I think both of these guys would bring a lot of much needed creativity to the band.
My theory is that Lang is the chosen one and Marco was the runner up, and since the was a great chemistry between them Jordan invited Marco to the Mind Meld Jam Sessions.
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My vote is still for Thomas Lang, he is my first choice both on technical skills and potential to bring DT to the next level, however Marco is also an excellent choice he is my second favorite . I think both of these guys would bring a lot of much needed creativity to the band.
My theory is that Lang is the chosen one and Marco was the runner up, and since the was a great chemistry between them Jordan invited Marco to the Mind Meld Jam Sessions.
While I would prefer Lang, there's really no evidence that he even auditioned. But the Marco part makes sense.
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Yeah, that's the sense I get from Marco playing with JR at the Mind Meld, that maybe JR and Marco in particular clicked, but he ended up not being the one. Plus, even though the new drummer hasn't been announced, the Mind Meld took place after the decision was made, and to me it just makes more sense that the guys would want to present a new member to the fans with the whole band playing.
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Could the Lang injury be keeping up the announcement?
I like Marco too.
Then again, Marco, Mangini, or Lang is win, win, win to me.
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Could the Lang injury be keeping up the announcement?
I'd like that. But it wouldn't make much sense.
"Hey Thomas, can we announce you as the new drummer?"
"Nein"
"Why?"
"Cause my foot is hurt man!"
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Actually I think the only evidence that any of these drummers auditioned is that they were mentioned on SteveTheater's list. The rest is pure somewhat educated assumptions.
Both of them know the guys in DT, so being the caliber of drummers they are it is very likely they both indeed auditioned.
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Actually I think the only evidence that any of these drummers auditioned is that they were mentioned on SteveTheater's list. The rest is pure somewhat educated assumptions.
Both of them know the guys in DT, so being the caliber of drummers they are it is very likely they both indeed auditioned.
Didn't see the list. Who is both? Manginni and Minneman?
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Actually I think the only evidence that any of these drummers auditioned is that they were mentioned on SteveTheater's list. The rest is pure somewhat educated assumptions.
Both of them know the guys in DT, so being the caliber of drummers they are it is very likely they both indeed auditioned.
Didn't see the list. Who is both? Mannnnginnnnnnni and Minnnnemannnnn?
Fixed for the lack of "n".
I think Marco's relationship is with Jordan as they recently had their jam-thing together. And I think Mangini knows Portnoy as he's appeared on-stage with DT during one of MP's drum solos.
-Marc.
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Actually I think the only evidence that any of these drummers auditioned is that they were mentioned on SteveTheater's list. The rest is pure somewhat educated assumptions.
Both of them know the guys in DT, so being the caliber of drummers they are it is very likely they both indeed auditioned.
Didn't see the list. Who is both? Mannnnginnnnnnni and Minnnnemannnnn?
Fixed for the lack of "n".
I think Marco's relationship is with Jordan as they recently had their jam-thing together. And I think Mangini knows Portnoy as he's appeared on-stage with DT during one of MP's drum solos.
-Marc.
Mangini also knows LaBrie, played on three albums with him.
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Yeah I know, I was asking because I didn't know who where the "both" Leorimus was talking about.
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Lang auditioned.
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Lang auditioned.
Show me a video of it.
Not because I need proof, but because it would be amazing to see.
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Lang auditioned.
Show me a video of it.
Not because I need proof, but because it would be amazing to see.
I don't have video of it, but I know one of his students, who heard it from, well, Lang.
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Lang auditioned.
Show me a video of it.
Not because I need proof, but because it would be amazing to see.
I don't have video of it, but I know one of his students, who heard it from, well, Lang.
I don't doubt you.
But I want a video of it. Now.
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So do I.
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So do I.
So go get one. You're hef. Just walk up to someone and demand it.
Look angry or something.
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Lang auditioned.
He did?
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Okay, just wanted to do a quick chime in. Mangini is the drummer no doubt. Doesn't anyone remember that whole Blabbermouth article on Charlie Zeleny a while back the end of November? Everyone thought that he was the guy and that he posted his audition videos and all that. The audition videos were spot on though and I could see why people think he got the gig since he plays with Jordan. Right as soon as everyone thought he was the drummer he came right out and said he didn't even get asked to audition. Blabbermouth is an extremely sketchy source and from the recent Marco press, its probably just more unsubstantiated hot air that they are spewing. Virgil, Marco and Lang I truly believe are out of the running and believe its either Mangini or Aquiles since they need a heavy hitter, big name and a guy who has actually played real metal before (not that play fast and trigger stuff that Marco played). ;)
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I think there is still no way in hell Priester was even invited to audition and I'm not really sure why people are actually convinced he auditioned in the first place.
I do agree that Blabbermouth is a sketchy source, but I still hold hope for Marco. Incredible chemistry with Jordan, can play metal, can great complex grooves out of samples from cartoons and Monty Python...I think he'd be perfect for the "musical drumming" that MP brought while bringing his own flair to the new album. Unless for some reason the other guys bonded with Mangini better, then he's the perfect package. If they did pick Mangini, we'll have to hope the band's judgment was sound and that DT can bring out the best in him.
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It's not Priester.
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Mangini is the drummer no doubt.
I was expecting the rest of your post to try and back up that statement, but alas...
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The signs point to Mangini i think.
I would be very surprised if it's not him.
Marco seems perfect fit also,but the Mind Meld concert and him playing with some other band makes me think that he is not the chosen one.
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That priester guy would be SUCH a disappointment.
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Marco Minnemann would be my favourite choice. But I still think it will be Mike Mangini. Not that I would mind him, though.
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That priester guy would be SUCH a disappointment.
I still can't believe people started throwing his name around. Even for rumours, he's such an odd choice.
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Marco Minnemann would be my favourite choice. But I still think it will be Mike Mangini. Not that I would mind him, though.
Thanks triad. This has been my opinion since Virgil Donati and Bobby Jarzombek fell off the list.
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Sorry guys, by "both" in my earlier post I meant Lang and Minnemann.
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okay okay... so no leaks... but I;m still 99% confident because someone took those random thoughts and tossed them over to Mr Occam who said, "That's right bitches! It's my razor!"
:neverusethis:
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okay okay... so no leaks... but I;m still 99% confident because someone took those random thoughts and tossed them over to Mr Occam who said, "That's right bitches! It's my razor!"
:neverusethis:
Occam never had to deal with speculating DT fans. We don't like 4/4 or simple explanations.
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That priester guy would be SUCH a disappointment.
I still can't believe people started throwing his name around. Even for rumours, he's such an odd choice.
This completely. In fact, he is the ONE guy that's been mentioned that if it turned out that he really WAS the band's choice, I would start worrying about their mental faculties.
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That priester guy would be SUCH a disappointment.
Priester is an incredible and sick drummer, however I do not think he speaks english.
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hi guys
isn´t bmouth part of Roadrunner records (dt´s label)? isn´t reliable enough? i would thought so.
my choice Minnemann
i think he would give DT some new direction he´s also a very good composer. hope it´s him.
i wouldn´t care whether mangini or lang would be on the DT drummer´s chair tough.
wathever, hope they make the announcement any time soon.
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Welcome funbass! But no, it isn't reliable. Please read a couple of pages back, it's in there somewhere. I believe (like wiki) people can post everything on bmouth.
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RoadRunner have a specific disclaimer explaining that Blabbermouth is run entirely independently. I don't know why they continue to host it to be honest, it just harms their integrity as a record label.
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I think we are all in for a bit of shock when they announce the new drummer.. :-\
But I'm still as excited as a kid at christmas who's about to recieve his/her presents. ;D
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Thomas Lang: Broken foot
Marco Minnemann: On tour with PTSD
Aquiles Priester: Language Barrier
Sadly everything is pointing to Mangini....
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Thomas Lang: Broken foot
Marco Minnemann: On tour with PTSD
Aquiles Priester: Language Barrier
Sadly everything is pointing to Mangini....
I would have no problem with Manigni. I like his style. But, mabye the reason the announcement has not come yet is because of the things that you posted about the other drummers. Mabye.
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Marco played With JR on dec-15.
that rang a bell for me, and i thought, well, bmouth could be right after all.
then we received the news that he will be recording an album and touring with the italian band. so...
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Again, the tour for Minnemann isn't necessarily a dealbreaker, as the timing of it most likely won't interfere with either DT's recording time or their tour schedule.
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Thomas Lang: Broken foot
Well, since the news is being delayed and delayed, I'm starting to believe Thomas might be the guy, and they're just waiting for his foot to heal.
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Thomas Lang: Broken foot
Well, since the news is being delayed and delayed, I'm starting to believe Thomas might be the guy, and they're just waiting for his foot to heal.
Ah come on ... I think everyone is reading too much into every little detail...
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Do not agree. Announcing has nothing to do with a foot. I'm siding with that it's a holiday and that they need to be ready for the swarming press calls and coverage, which pretty much won't happen on a holiday. I bet this Monday we hear something (wild guess).
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Is Thomas Lang's supposed fractured foot, actually been confirmed? He hasn't posted anything about it in any of he's websites, and he tweets just about everything and hasn't mentioned anything about this. And there is nothing about the cancellation of the Seattle Drum Boot Camp, on the official site, I would think that if it was actually cancelled they WOULD post something about it.
About Mangini... He sure is an awesome drummer, has a world record of being the fastest (though I could care less, about such claims as speed for the sake of speed does nothing for me) but I think I would be a bit dissapointed if he were the chosen one simply because, I have not heard anything from him that has impressed me, not even he's solos, I just don't see in him the creativity that someone like Lang or Minnemann would surely bring.
I guess other factors would come to play like personality, friendships etc, because if we were talking about technique and creativity alone, both Lang and Minnemann surpass Mangini by a lot.
About Aquiles Priester, he is a great drummer and if you guys have not heard he's work in Angra you are missing some great music and drumming, he wouldn't have any problems playing what Mike did on DT,however I don't think he even auditioned, I totally agree about the language barrier. Hey, maybe he is great at speaking english, but have any of you guys heard him speak it? here is some of Aquiles Priester's work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4J5rM--cws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDcdVfcPDaI&feature=related PS. here he DOES look and sound like a Terminator! LOL
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I agree Priester is a great metal prog drummer... But I don't think that he auditioned.
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okay okay... so no leaks... but I;m still 99% confident because someone took those random thoughts and tossed them over to Mr Occam who said, "That's right bitches! It's my razor!"
:neverusethis:
Occam never had to deal with speculating DT fans. We don't like 4/4 or simple explanations.
I don't think I have heard of an argument in 7/8 or 5/4 before. I'll add it to my list of things I must do before I die.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ATHpb1f_g
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Again, the tour for Minnemann isn't necessarily a dealbreaker, as the timing of it most likely won't interfere with either DT's recording time or their tour schedule.
Has to learn at least 90 minutes of DT music. No matter how good of a drummer you are, that takes a bit of time. THen he has to spend sometime practicing it with the band to get all the cues and general familariarity down. I doubt he could do that in a few weeks.
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Again, the tour for Minnemann isn't necessarily a dealbreaker, as the timing of it most likely won't interfere with either DT's recording time or their tour schedule.
Has to learn at least 90 minutes of DT music. No matter how good of a drummer you are, that takes a bit of time. THen he has to spend sometime practicing it with the band to get all the cues and general familariarity down. I doubt he could do that in a few weeks.
Is this a joke? Learning 90 minutes of music should not be hard for any "professional" musician.
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Again, the tour for Minnemann isn't necessarily a dealbreaker, as the timing of it most likely won't interfere with either DT's recording time or their tour schedule.
Has to learn at least 90 minutes of DT music. No matter how good of a drummer you are, that takes a bit of time. THen he has to spend sometime practicing it with the band to get all the cues and general familariarity down. I doubt he could do that in a few weeks.
*shrugs* I don't think it would be that big a deal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ATHpb1f_g
The guy is definitely talented, but I haven't seen a clip of his yet where he acted like he had an ounce of charisma. He is like a robot. DT already has one John Myung, they don't need another one.
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I agree that he lacks charisma. Still, I really like his creativity and the "theory" behind his drumming. I'd prefer him over Minnemann/Mangini, robot-like and all.
This may be controversial, but I didn't find Marco's performance during Mind Meld to be impressive at all.
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I don't recall reading this, from blabbermouth. Well, not these exact words. I'm positive it's been posted before, but it's good to look at what we have.
I know that the big question is Who is the new Dream Theater drummer? I also realize that some people are getting frustrated waiting for the news. Well, auditions went great and we do have someone but we are spending some time getting everything in order before making an official announcement. Let me just say that we are all incredibly excited about our choice and just bursting at the seams to let the world know!
Source: https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=150660 (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=150660)
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I love how it appears people adjust their choices based on the latest rumor(s).
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I love how it appears people adjust their choices based on the latest rumor(s).
mi top five was since day 0
1)Virgil Donati
2)Mike mangini
3)Dave weckl
4)Terry bozzio
5)Rod morgenstein
then i changed from terry bozzio to Marco because i realized that bozzio´s choice is impossible.
but then again, this is so subjective...
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I'm still gunning for Mark Zonder - although I know that it will never be. :(
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I agree Priester is a great metal prog drummer... But I don't think that he auditioned.
I know for a fact that he did audition.Also,John Macaluso didnt audition.
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I agree Priester is a great metal prog drummer... But I don't think that he auditioned.
I know for a fact that he did audition.Also,John Macaluso didnt audition.
Unless you have proof to offer, please keep statements like that to yourself, there not in the slightest bit helpful.
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I agree Priester is a great metal prog drummer... But I don't think that he auditioned.
I know for a fact that he did audition.Also,John Macaluso didnt audition.
Unless you have proof to offer, please keep statements like that to yourself, there not in the slightest bit helpful.
Well, we don't necessarily need proof, as proof can be impossible to provide. But at least an explanation of how he knows would give some context. "I know this, but I won't tell you why, just trust me" is very unhelpful.
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Maybe he'll falsely claim to be one of John Myung's inlaws.
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I know for a fact that I don't know a thing. My wife has told me so.
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I know for a fact that I don't know a thing. My wife has told me so.
You let her speak?
For shame!
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I know for a fact that I don't know a thing. My wife has told me so.
You let her speak?
For shame!
I wish I had sed power. A man can dream.
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Maybe he'll falsely claim to be one of John Myung's inlaws.
Trolling. :bosk1:
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I had a conversation with one of my cousins about this:
Me "Did you hear about Portnoy leaving Dream Theater."
Cousin "Oh yeah."
Me "What's interesting is that right after they auditioned drummers - Mike Mangini quit teaching all of his Berklee classes for reasons he can't disclose."
Cousin "Hmmm... Good."
Me "Why specifically is that good?"
Cousin "Dream Theater started at Berklee, and now they're bringing in another Berklee guy."
My cousin went there, so it's natural he'd go that direction, but he brings up an important point. Without consciously saying "Hey, let's get another guy who went to Berklee," maybe there's a shared musical sense that comes from being involved with that school.
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Does anyone else hate how people keep changing their votes? I voted for Morgenstein back in September before all the rumors started, and I'm not afraid to admit it, even though it's probably not him. Just make a vote and stick with it people!
...it would make the poll more interesting. Kinda, but not really. Sorta.
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I don't, because, for instance, I had no idea how drummers like Minnemann played when I first voted.
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Voted for Lang and still haven't changed my mind. He could do it with one foot. ;D
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I don't, because, for instance, I had no idea how drummers like Minnemann played when I first voted.
Your bad, brother man.
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Does anyone else hate how people keep changing their votes? I voted for Morgenstein back in September before all the rumors started, and I'm not afraid to admit it, even though it's probably not him. Just make a vote and stick with it people!
...it would make the poll more interesting. Kinda, but not really. Sorta.
Yes but you see, the topic is asking people to place bets. These bets may not be for money or any other kind of reward, but even so, why would you want to bet on something you knew was wrong?
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Does anyone else hate how people keep changing their votes? I voted for Morgenstein back in September before all the rumors started, and I'm not afraid to admit it, even though it's probably not him. Just make a vote and stick with it people!
...it would make the poll more interesting. Kinda, but not really. Sorta.
Yes but you see, the topic is asking people to place bets. These bets may not be for money or any other kind of reward, but even so, why would you want to bet on something you knew was wrong?
you didn't know it was wrong when you betted the first time?
edit: I know you guys understand what I meant, but I'm curious; is betted even a word? I'm getting that red squiggly line under it.
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Does anyone else hate how people keep changing their votes? I voted for Morgenstein back in September before all the rumors started, and I'm not afraid to admit it, even though it's probably not him. Just make a vote and stick with it people!
...it would make the poll more interesting. Kinda, but not really. Sorta.
Yes but you see, the topic is asking people to place bets. These bets may not be for money or any other kind of reward, but even so, why would you want to bet on something you knew was wrong?
you didn't know it was wrong when you betted the first time?
edit: I know you guys understand what I meant, but I'm curious; is betted even a word? I'm getting that red squiggly line under it.
It's not, you would still say 'bet.' That word is the same in past, present and future tenses.
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I'm proud to be one of 6 or so people who voted for minnemann from the get-go, and I still hope he gets the gig even though there's only a very thin piece of information suggesting that he will. I've been a big Minnemann fan since 'Burning Organ', and I'd be excited to see what he would bring to DT.
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^^how would you know that, anyways?
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I'm proud to be one of 6 or so people who voted for minnemann from the get-go, and I still hope he gets the gig even though there's only a very thin piece of information suggesting that he will. I've been a big Minnemann fan since 'Burning Organ', and I'd be excited to see what he would bring to DT.
+1 . Funny to see him ranked so highly now. He was the standout for me from the beginning, being the latter of insane drumming and innovative playing. All other drummers seem so stale compared to him, Lang included. But thats just me.
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I'd laugh (and be happy about this, by the way) if everyone is wrong and it's really Scott Rockenfield.
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I had a conversation with one of my cousins about this:
Me "Did you hear about Portnoy leaving Dream Theater."
Cousin "Oh yeah."
Me "What's interesting is that right after they auditioned drummers - Mike Mangini quit teaching all of his Berklee classes for reasons he can't disclose."
Cousin "Hmmm... Good."
Me "Why specifically is that good?"
Cousin "Dream Theater started at Berklee, and now they're bringing in another Berklee guy."
My cousin went there, so it's natural he'd go that direction, but he brings up an important point. Without consciously saying "Hey, let's get another guy who went to Berklee," maybe there's a shared musical sense that comes from being involved with that school.
I doubt it. They were only there a year.
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John Petrucci @ Twitter
"First day in the studio and the dawn of a new era for DT. Can't wait to get the music flowing."
Still no announcement!
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I'd laugh (and be happy about this, by the way) if everyone is wrong and it's really Scott Rockenfield.
There was a time when I would thought of him along the lines of Sherinian in terms of maybe not quite having the chops, but definitely having the skill and ability to get there if he applied himself. But he's become so lazy for so long now that I just can't see it. I actually think he's a much worse drummer now than he was 20 years ago.
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Interesting bit of news I learned today. It seems the word on the street around these parts is that Steve Bolognese, the drummer for Into Eternity, has taken on some of Mr. Mangini's workload at Berklee. This would support recent rumors. Don't take it as gospel, but I'm New England based and know the local musicians rather well. I honestly thought Steve would've been a nice choice for DT, albeit a bit young, although I imagine he and MP were buds judging he was on the guest list for DT's last local show.
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If it is Mangini, it seems like he has had a pretty long time to get affairs together. As far as the timeline, around what date did JP and the guys say that they found a new guy? Early November? If we assume that they told the new guy then about getting the gig, he would have started the process on the legal and management end.
Unless MP really threw the guys for a loop in November with his flip flop, they have really had 60 days to get stuff done and squared away on the business front.
I would like to know if the announcement is being held up because of the new guy's contract or is it DT settling things with MP? Maybe both???
Hopefully we find out who the new guy is with some footage of the guys jamming. JR needs to get back and get to the studio asap!
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Had a dream about the new drummer again! the audition was opened to public and final contenders were Vadrum and some other Asian guy that i didn't recognize... it was mind blowing (at least in my dream haha) and this two guys were hanging out with the people just wating for the announcement of who won and then i woke up...
Damn i'm getting really frustrated with all this :@
so.. i thought today in the morning, that maybe roadrunner want to put a dvd together of the searching of the new drummer and everything and they want to make the announcement with the release of the dvd and maybe thats what the "waiting for management and record label" thing means.
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Mangini Update:
Currently: I have just shipped of my drum tracks for 6 songs for guitarist Isao Fujita (who I did a short tour of Japan with in 2010.) They're my best playing to date ;) Can't wait for them to be heard. My new 'leg' is coming alone so well but slowly. I have posted some new videos on youtube. One is a solo from October 2010, the last recorded one for me. You can see/hear a huge difference in my groove; it is because my upper leg muscles are now working as they should've all along. Anyway, I will be now revamping the studio before my next sessions start in about two weeks. I have to spend time working with and learning the new Pearl E-Pro Electronic kit & brain. Lots of videos and website ideas are on cue...
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Next session?
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If he is revamping his own studio for a session starting in two weeks, it seems like this could put a damper on him being the drummer for DT. Unless they are planning on doing drum tracks at Mangini's studio.
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If he is revamping his own studio for a session starting in two weeks, it seems like this could put a damper on him being the drummer for DT. Unless they are planning on doing drum tracks at Mangini's studio.
Yeah, this. I feel like it is Minnemann from that update. Or maybe Lang.
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I say it's not clear. He's revamping his studio... what is the exact definition of revamping?
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I say it's not clear. He's revamping his studio... what is the exact definition of revamping?
Well, whatever he means by revamping (upgrading software, putting up new soundproofing, expanding recording space etc.) it is WORK, and I'm sure he's studio is in Boston (he is from Boston right?) so that means no Mangini in New York where DT is. So, I also think that after that update from Mangini himself, that he is not "the one"
Fingers crossed it's Lang. (or Minnemann) :metal
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The funny thing about betting.................the greater the odds the greater the payout. So switching to the seemingly obvious choice gains what exactly??
Still betting on Lang. If win the bet it will be the best payout for me!! :metal If I lose..........well that's what happens when you bet/gamble. I know that and will move on with my life and try to dig the new drummer anyways.
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I still say Macaluso. Why not, after all?.
B.Lee
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Keep in mind that it's very possible that the new drummer will not be needed in the studio with DT for a few weeks or more. I can see JP, JM, and JR getting set up in the studio and starting to jam/write new tunes. JLB shows up a couple weeks later to start on vocal melodies and additional lyrics. Then the drummer shows up to record the drums. I really doubt that a brand new member of the band is going to have a significant role in writing music the first time around.
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I think the new drummer will have a big role.
After all, they wanted a full functioning member, not a hired gun.
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I think the new drummer will have a big role.
After all, they wanted a full functioning member, not a hired gun.
This.
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Yeah I highly doubt they are going to write the entire album without any drums, and then just have the drummer fill in parts. That'd be pretty difficult. DT has typically always jammed out their new material. They are going to want the drummer there to Jam with them.
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Yeah but that doesn't mean they won't start out by putting the ideas together and then jamming later with the full band in order to refine the songs.
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Considering its a brand new drummer, I'm sure they are going to want him there during the creative process, otherwise they could have just hired any drummer for hire. Wasn't MP always there for all of the writing? Didn't they completely jam out ToT in a few weeks?
Just doesn't make much sense to me to not have the drummer there and only have guitar and bass jamming in a studio where that could be done anywhere.
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Just doesn't make much sense to me to not have the drummer there and only have guitar and bass jamming in a studio where that could be done anywhere.
You can have a whole band jamming anywhere. I've never understood why the writing process happens in the studio. It's so damn expensive to be there.
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Couple thoughts on Mangini...
1. Why would he leave his job to do an "ordinary" session or just to update his studio? Leaving his position as an instructor means he will be full time busy doing some significant project IMO. You would think that if he was going to do a really cool project that isnt DT that he would just say that. Why be secret? Is his new work secret too?
2. Maybe he is to report for Dream Theater duty in 2 weeks when they make the official announcement?
Analyzing his comments only creates even more speculation, but what he wrote doesnt actually mean he is not the guy IMO.
Wow, Mangini has a schedule of sessions coming, Marco has gigs lined up.....Could Lang really be DT's guy?
I love all this drama and speculation. After the announcement we will all be craving stuff to discuss until the new music arrives. These are exciting times in DTLand.
STAY PROGGY MY FRIENDS
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The funny thing about betting.................the greater the odds the greater the payout. So switching to the seemingly obvious choice gains what exactly??
Still betting on Lang. If win the bet it will be the best payout for me!! :metal If I lose..........well that's what happens when you bet/gamble. I know that and will move on with my life and try to dig the new drummer anyways.
I initially bet on Lang. Since then, the messages have been mixed. He's probably not my front runner, but I'm not changing my vote. For one thing, it still could be Lang. For another, it seems like cheating to change it. My bet is my bet. If I'm right, great. If not I'm wrong, oh well.
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Just doesn't make much sense to me to not have the drummer there and only have guitar and bass jamming in a studio where that could be done anywhere.
You can have a whole band jamming anywhere. I've never understood why the writing process happens in the studio. It's so damn expensive to be there.
Well in the studio you can have everything all mic'd up and recordign the whole time. It would be quality as well, so they could record a song on the spot if they desired.
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starting to wonder if the drummer is a random guy none here really thought of. After all this Mangini/Marco/Lang talk, I guess this forum would go crazy if its neither of them :P
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I hope its Animal from the muppet show personally.
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All this time and nobody considered this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQH8YS2_NxY
WOW! Amazing chops.
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I hope its Animal from the muppet show personally.
that would be pure PROG!
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I hope its Animal from the muppet show personally.
At least his vocal performances would be hilarious in a good way.
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JP: I appreciate everyone's anticipation with regard to our forthcoming announcement of DT's new drummer. All will be revealed soon. paciencia y fe...
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this today from JP's Facebook:
"I appreciate everyone's anticipation with regard to our forthcoming announcement of DT's new drummer. All will be revealed soon. paciencia y fe.."
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Couple thoughts on Mangini...
1. Why would he leave his job to do an "ordinary" session or just to update his studio? Leaving his position as an instructor means he will be full time busy doing some significant project IMO. You would think that if he was going to do a really cool project that isnt DT that he would just say that. Why be secret? Is his new work secret too?
Maybe he does have a cool project other than DT but promised the guys he would not say he didn't get the job.
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All I know is that the government could learn a few lessons from DT regarding keeping secrets secret.
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Where's Julian Assange when you need him?
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Where's Julian Assange when you need him?
Right here! ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7-MbiixFe0
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So, another email from my band's drummer (Scott); he talked to the same guy as before who said that it's Mike Mangini (the guy apparently is the drummer of Into Eternity). Scott said to the guy that it might be Marco Minnemann; replies Into Eternity guy: "Dude, I told you it's Mike Mangini! He told me himself!"
For what it's worth.
rumborak
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It's Thomas Lang.
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So, another email from my band's drummer (Scott); he talked to the same guy as before who said that it's Mike Mangini (the guy apparently is the drummer of Into Eternity). Scott said to the guy that it might be Marco Minnemann; replies Into Eternity guy: "Dude, I told you it's Mike Mangini! He told me himself!"
For what it's worth.
rumborak
lol'd. meanwhile on the virgil message board:
A little bird just told me that Marco Minneman is the new drummer for DT, but this is not confirmed. It was on Blabbermouth, but that's not my source, I heard it from several other people who are well connected. We'll see....
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^ only difference here is that rumborak lives in Boston, his band is based on Boston and Mangini is based in Boston.
lol'd
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All 3 of the drummers have been melted together to form the UBER DRUMMER. Its the only logical reality at this point.
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^ only difference here is that rumborak lives in Boston, his band is based on Boston and Mangini is based in Boston.
lol'd
very interesting. That makes it somewhat more credible than other rumors spreading around I guess. Still hoping for Minnemann
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I love this mystery. It doesn't irk me in the slightest.
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meanwhile on the virgil message board:
A little bird just told me that Marco Minneman is the new drummer for DT, but this is not confirmed. It was on Blabbermouth, but that's not my source, I heard it from several other people who are well connected. We'll see....
Yes, but by who on Virgil's board? Virgil, or someone else?
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meanwhile on the virgil message board:
A little bird just told me that Marco Minneman is the new drummer for DT, but this is not confirmed. It was on Blabbermouth, but that's not my source, I heard it from several other people who are well connected. We'll see....
Yes, but by who on Virgil's board? Virgil, or someone else?
The post is here:
https://www.virgildonati.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=7247&page=9&pp=15
Doesn't seem to be Virgil himself, but some random guy (haven't been following that forum so he might not be that random, but...).
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If he is revamping his own studio for a session starting in two weeks, it seems like this could put a damper on him being the drummer for DT. Unless they are planning on doing drum tracks at Mangini's studio.
This does indeed put his involvement into question. I seriously can't see them doing drum tracks at his studio.
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on Taps board its pretty much confirmed that it is " Joe Mamma Besser"
:tup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCBHhelVjaU
Besser is pure prog as this video shows
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Long time lurker, first time poster, blah blah blah. Been a huge fan of DT since the ACoS days - I randomly bought I&W and ACoS in a record store because I thought the album covers were interesting, and they have been among my favorite bands ever since. Opeth, Porcupine Tree, and DT rotate the #1/2/3 spots depending on the month.
I'm quite excited for some new blood in DT. IMO they have stagnated significantly over the last several albums, with Octavarium being the last album I loved start to finish. While for the most part I loved MP as a drummer, I always felt he "was who he was" and was never going to explore much new ground with his drumming. His use of effect cymbals (circa SFAM), and the blastbeats on the latest albums were about as close to new ground as we ever saw. I always have wondered how much differently DT would have evolved with a drummer who was as obsessive with practicing and trying new techniques, equipment, etc. as JP and JR clearly are. And so when MP quit the band, I was actually pretty excited. Not that I felt MP was holding them back, per se - clearly DT and MP are essentially synonymous - but I'm excited for the future, JLB-style.
I would love to see Minnemann as the new drummer (best drummer on planet earth IMO), but I think it's Mangini given the available "evidence". I saw Mangini give a drum clinic in Chandler, AZ about a decade ago, and I was blown away by his technical ability. Clearly the man has chops to burn, but I am concerned by two things:
I have never heard an album on which I loved the sound of his drums. I know this is largely in the hands of the engineer and mixer, but it's a decades-long trend that concerns me. MP has such a distinctive drum sound - one can instantly tell he is drumming on any album (including side projects) after about FII - that the sound of the album will change pretty significantly with a different guy. MP's drums were also very high in the mix compared to other heavy bands.
I also don't love Mangini's playing style - he just doesn't seem to have much "soul" in his playing. He clearly cares about fitting his drumming into the music, but in the past I think he has done so to a fault, resulting in drum parts that are less than interesting. Most of his career has been as a session player, though, so perhaps I shouldn't hold that against him.
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I agree^
Marco is really the one I want, I think Marco is amazing and his style and sound to my ears is fantastic
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Welcome, scoutmasterdave.
The drum sound issue is an odd problem. I definitely know what you mean. I take Jimmy DeGrasso as a perfect example. Not the best drummer on earth, but very good, and one of my personal favorites. Anyhow, his drumming with Y&T from the time he joined in 1987 or so through the time he eventually lfe was AMAZING. His drum sound, on the other hand, was just horrendous. His work with White Lion and Suicidal Tendences was about the same. Then he went to Megadeth, and suddenly, his drum sound was as incredible as his playing. I think you nailed it when you said it is largely in the hands of others. But when you have people who know what drums should sound like, great drummers can truly shine.
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On the clips I've seen of Mangini it's the fact that he overplays to the extent that the song is lost that concerns me. you know like on the Aerosmith albums after they reformed, where it sounds like the guitar solos were recorded to different songs (Ragdoll for example)? Mangini sounds like that to me, but maybe that's just 'cos he's showing off. On the La Brie albums he was on there was nothing to grab the attention.
I had my heart set on Lang or Minneman but it looks unlikely from the admittedly circumstantial evidence.
He may turn out to be awesome though.
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The good news is a lot of people, myself included, have had to take closer looks at some really talented individuals and be exposed to some high level drumming. I think that's great! Somebody is going to be happy in a few days/weeks.
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I for one didn't know who Mangini or Minnemann were before coming to this forum. I then started listening to them and watching some videos and I have to say I think Mangini is a great drummer but doesn't really do it for me. I really can't see him playing some proggy drums. As for Marco, I absolutely love the guy. Saw videos of him playing jazz, metal, rock, prog rock, improv and he just kicks ass. I think he would be the wise choice here if DT wants to make something new and wants a really involved drummer. Plus he plays guitar and piano so...
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On the clips I've seen of Mangini it's the fact that he overplays to the extent that the song is lost that concerns me. you know like on the Aerosmith albums after they reformed, where it sounds like the guitar solos were recorded to different songs (Ragdoll for example)? Mangini sounds like that to me, but maybe that's just 'cos he's showing off. On the La Brie albums he was on there was nothing to grab the attention.
I had my heart set on Lang or Minneman but it looks unlikely from the admittedly circumstantial evidence.
He may turn out to be awesome though.
Lowdz. did you ever see Mangini play with Extreme? The guy can play some groove.
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As time keep going and i keep watching and watching tons of videos of all this drummers.... it just give me more reasons to vote for lang
just to see his capabilities and attention in little details look at this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xshrk4D0Rw
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On the clips I've seen of Mangini it's the fact that he overplays to the extent that the song is lost that concerns me. you know like on the Aerosmith albums after they reformed, where it sounds like the guitar solos were recorded to different songs (Ragdoll for example)? Mangini sounds like that to me, but maybe that's just 'cos he's showing off. On the La Brie albums he was on there was nothing to grab the attention.
I had my heart set on Lang or Minneman but it looks unlikely from the admittedly circumstantial evidence.
He may turn out to be awesome though.
Lowdz. did you ever see Mangini play with Extreme? The guy can play some groove.
I did see him on that tour but nothing really stood out. Extreme was hardly taxing for a drummer and I was kinda following Nuno all night. And I hated the Punchline album. And groove isn't really what I expect from a DT drummer. All drummers should be able to groove. That should be the easy bit.
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I'm not saying he'll groove but it shows his versatility.
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Extreme was hardly taxing for a drummer
??? What?
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I haven't seen much about Lang really. There are two things I can say though. He is an awesome drummer and would probably be a good addition to DT. On the other hand I think Marco's accent is way better. :D
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I'm sorry I've kept waiting for a Mangini video that would blow me away, and I'm honestly an easily blown away person, but people have kept posting videos like "omg, look at this drum solo it will change your mind", but every time it was just kinda Mangini hitting the drums at full velocity every time in some kind of straight groove, and then doing a fast and kinda sloppy "Mangini-style roll", that I've seen Marco Minnemann do better.
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I haven't seen much about Lang really. There are two things I can say though. He is an awesome drummer and would probably be a good addition to DT. On the other hand I think Marco's accent is way better. :D
Totally agree.... Lang is the best option for DT, his sound is much heavier & powerful than Minnemann.... Marco's ability is pretty impressive, I don't mind seeing him with DT as a second option (after Lang)
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Extreme was hardly taxing for a drummer
??? What?
just gone back to Pornograffitti and listened to the drums and I have to say I see what you're saying. I never quite realised before what the drums are doing as I was always listening to that guitar. And live Paul geary never appeared at all flashy. I take my statement back!
Still not been impressed by Mangini though. He may, as I said, be awesome in DT though. We'll have to wait and see (possibly).
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Ok.....seems I was wrong in my betting, it seems after all that it is not Wildoer, as he commented on facebook that he is writing the new Darkane record.
Then I really hope it's Lang.
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Whether it's Mangini or Minnemann (sp?), I'm confident they both have the ability (and groove) to be just fine in DT.
I still think it would be awesome if it was some totally unknown guy.
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From Mangini's facebook:
Update:my books website, Rhythm Knowledge, will be down for several weeks and my personal site will take some months to remake. That work will be fused in with studio upgrades, sessions, video editing and working with the Pearl E-Pro for the next how-ever-many weeks. I hope to attend a premier for a Drummer's Dream at some point. You can buy the DVD now. Google it :)
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Hmm
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Interesting.
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From Mangini's facebook:
Update:my books website, Rhythm Knowledge, will be down for several weeks and my personal site will take some months to remake. That work will be fused in with studio upgrades, sessions, video editing and working with the Pearl E-Pro for the next how-ever-many weeks. I hope to attend a premier for a Drummer's Dream at some point. You can buy the DVD now. Google it :)
Guess is down to Lang vs. Minnemann......
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From Mangini's facebook:
Update:my books website, Rhythm Knowledge, will be down for several weeks and my personal site will take some months to remake. That work will be fused in with studio upgrades, sessions, video editing and working with the Pearl E-Pro for the next how-ever-many weeks. I hope to attend a premier for a Drummer's Dream at some point. You can buy the DVD now. Google it :)
So I guess Mangini IS OUT the picture, or so it seems.
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From Mangini's facebook:
Update:my books website, Rhythm Knowledge, will be down for several weeks and my personal site will take some months to remake. That work will be fused in with studio upgrades, sessions, video editing and working with the Pearl E-Pro for the next how-ever-many weeks. I hope to attend a premier for a Drummer's Dream at some point. You can buy the DVD now. Google it :)
So I guess Mangini IS OUT the picture, or so it seems.
Yes please!!!! Go Marco!!!!
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From Mangini's facebook:
Update:my books website, Rhythm Knowledge, will be down for several weeks and my personal site will take some months to remake. That work will be fused in with studio upgrades, sessions, video editing and working with the Pearl E-Pro for the next how-ever-many weeks. I hope to attend a premier for a Drummer's Dream at some point. You can buy the DVD now. Google it :)
So I guess Mangini IS OUT the picture, or so it seems.
He could at least say "I'm not the new DT drummer."
That wouldn't be news by DT so it shouldn't break any contract. This silence from all the contenders is what annoys me, because I KNOW they know we're dying to know.
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From Mangini's facebook:
Update:my books website, Rhythm Knowledge, will be down for several weeks and my personal site will take some months to remake. That work will be fused in with studio upgrades, sessions, video editing and working with the Pearl E-Pro for the next how-ever-many weeks. I hope to attend a premier for a Drummer's Dream at some point. You can buy the DVD now. Google it :)
So I guess Mangini IS OUT the picture, or so it seems.
Not at all.
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Guess is down to Lang vs. Minnemann......
Lets not forget aquiles! still a contender i think.
i still hope its Lang!!!!
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Guess is down to Lang vs. Minnemann......
Lets not forget aquiles! still a contender i think.
No he's not.
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Guess is down to Lang vs. Minnemann......
Lets not forget aquiles! still a contender i think.
No he's not.
:o is he really out of the fight??? for me, thats a relieve
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From Mangini's facebook:
Update:my books website, Rhythm Knowledge, will be down for several weeks and my personal site will take some months to remake. That work will be fused in with studio upgrades, sessions, video editing and working with the Pearl E-Pro for the next how-ever-many weeks. I hope to attend a premier for a Drummer's Dream at some point. You can buy the DVD now. Google it :)
So I guess Mangini IS OUT the picture, or so it seems.
Not at all.
Yeah, that post doesn't suggest anything about him being "out."
That said, though I've posted sporadically I've been on holiday and pretty much off DTF for over ten days. Just got back tonight. I can't believe we still don't know who the drummer is.
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I'd been thinking Mangini was a foregone conclusion for a fair few weeks now, so that's pretty interesting.
His schedule isn't at odds with the DT schedule at all, and even if it were he may be taking a slightly less hands-on role, so nothing here precludes him being DT's new drummer.
But if - as he suggests - the decision to cancel his lectures wasn't DT linked, that particular gem does have to be removed from the "evidence" pile.
Not to say that it might not still be true. But it turns what looked like a fairly concrete hint into a bit of a red herring.
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It could always be down in preparation for an announcement from DT to streamline his with their info and to handle all the traffic coming from being the new drummer. That seems a valid reason to me, but I'm not a web designer at all so who knows. I don't think this counts him out at all. If anything makes it look MORE probable to me.
I want it to be Lang. Still. ;D
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Gawd, enough with the build-up, I just wanna know who it is already! :omg:
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Saw the Mangini post. Realized that if cancelling all his classes wasn't for something DT related, then it would be this. Plus, I remember (Nakedman?) saying that he would get "mad" when people asked him about DT. Someone who got the job wouldn't be mad, would they?
So basically, YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES OH GOD LET IT BE MARCO PLEASE!
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Plus, I remember (Nakedman?) saying that he would get "mad" when people asked him about DT. Someone who got the job wouldn't be mad, would they?
Depends. If he's the noobie in the band, he certainly doesn't want to get off on a bad foot. And if information is supposed to remain secret until an official announcement, I wouldn't be surprised if he freaked out every time someone asked him about it because he wouldn't want to even be perceived as a potential source if something leaked.
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He could at least say "I'm not the new DT drummer."
It's likely that DT made anyone who auditioned keep their mouth shut about whether they were chosen or not.
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He could at least say "I'm not the new DT drummer."
It's likely that DT made anyone who auditioned keep their mouth shut about whether they were chosen or not.
This is the most intriguing part of this. Perhaps they had to sign something in order to audition.
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I think it's Marco. Though I'll keep my original vote for Thomas Lang.
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It doesn't rule Mangini out at all, but I certainly makes things less concrete than it seemed a couple of weeks ago.
Problem is, there's been something like that for ALL the speculated drummers. :lol
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Its quite fascinating actually how all these drummers seem to fit. Watch it be someone completely random though.
Or maybe my theory of the 3 top runners being melded together is going to happen.
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Or maybe my theory of the 3 top runners being melded together is going to happen.
Seems the most likely option now!
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Problem is, there's been something like that for ALL the speculated drummers. :lol
On purpose? Could be fun, I can't see DT doing that, but it almost seems so.
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Or maybe my theory of the 3 top runners being melded together is going to happen.
DTF Science Labs
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So basically, YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES OH GOD LET IT BE MARCO PLEASE!
I concur with this statement!
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Well, this is certainly interesting. Posted earlier today:
A new day is about to dawn for progressive metal kings, Dream Theater. Questions have abounded recently about who will replace Mike Portnoy on drums. Under normal circumstances, hiring a replacement drummer would not create such a buzz.
In Dream Theaters case, however, nothing is ever conventional. Lets not forget that this is the band that breathed new life into progressive music. Even stalwarts like Yes and Rush seemed to be losing steam in the 1990s. Suffice it to say, without Dream Theaters influence, the genre would be on life support.
Perhaps, then, it should come as no surprise that little in Dream Theater world is typical. Reports are that Portnoy initially recommended the band go on indefinite hiatus. Instead, the band gave Portnoy an unexpected ultimatum: Either enter the studio in January 2011 as planned, or relinquish the drum throne. Stepping down as Dream Theaters drummer was not something Portnoy had previously contemplated. This was a band he founded and had been with for the past twenty-five years. Essentially, the band did not want to lose any momentum by delaying their next album. Reluctantly, Portnoy decided to step aside.
Initial fan reaction to the announcement was mixed; some were angry, and some excited. Speculation about who will replace Portnoys is the new topic of the day.
Not one to stand idle, Portnoy has booked two projects with Neal Morse for 2011. On top of that, he also finished a tour with Avenged Sevenfold as interim drummer after the passing of Jimmy "Rev" Sullivan. To date, Portnoy has not revealed any long-term plans.
Twitter, fan Internet forums, and sites like Blabbermouth have fueled fan speculation. However, the band has not yet made its final announcement about Portnoys successor. Ending the rumors evidently took a backseat to working out other issues.
None of the band members have leaked the information--Except to say that auditions have been held, and the decision has been made.
When the announcement would come, fans could only guess...until now.
Dream Theater recently informed sources that the announcement is imminent. Ready or not, fans will know the identity of the man on the throne before long. Under the circumstances, the announcement will come none too soon for most. Many, many names of potential candidates have been tossed around the rumor mill: Minnemann, Mangini, Lang, Donati, and even Lars Ulrich have been rumored by fans.
Everyone will no doubt be scouring the Internet for the news over the next few days. Read who the new drummer is right here--very, VERY soon.
It's a bit cryptic, but if you read carefully, I think I know what the guy is hinting at.
EDIT: Sorry about the weird formatting. That's how it copied from the site and I can't be bothered to fix it.
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Where is that giant quote from?
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haha where did the lars ulrich part come from?
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what is that quote from? :omg:
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haha where did the lars ulrich part come from?
Seriously. :eek Lars is only welcome if he brings the coffee can from St. Anger with him.
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I don't f##king get it..what's this all about?
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:D That was pretty good
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Looks like Bosk wrote it for the express purpose of...I don't know.
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ARGHHHHHHHHHHH!!! What is this!!!!!
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ARGHHHHHHHHHHH!!! What is this!!!!!
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i think my english is not good enought.. reading it a couple of times and the only thing i can get from it is that MP is MP replacement :D
that would be really un"typical" indeed.
Hahahaha. Just kidding
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This thread is being reported!!!
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Oh god god people it really said this.....
Edit by bosk1: BANNED!
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Well done, bosk :metal
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And if you're so sure, then who do you think it is?
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And if you're so sure, then who do you think it is?
Please!!! Lang!! Lang!!!
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This thread is being reported!!!
Is this who bosk1 gets reported to when he's a bad boy?
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/darthhoodie.jpg)
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:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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wat.
is going on?
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wat.
is going on?
I was just going to ask this
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Never even heard of that guy (but Angra is an awesome band and Temple of Shadows is one of the best power metal albums of all time)
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This thread is being reported!!!
Is this who bosk1 gets reported to when he's a bad boy?
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/darthhoodie.jpg)
My soul is yours, dark master. I will fight for you. :hefdaddy
EDIT: I mean, "I will not fight for you, you fu-- :censored
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Is it possible that JP tipped the identity of the drummer with his "paciencia y fe" at the end of his Twitter update? I don't know whether Minneman is Spanish/Portuguese or not (possibly Italian? I can't remember right now). If this has already been discussed, sorry I didn't read enough of the thread to find it...
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Minnemann is German I believe.
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Is it possible that JP tipped the identity of the drummer with his "paciencia y fe" at the end of his Twitter update? I don't know whether Minneman is Spanish/Portuguese or not (possibly Italian? I can't remember right now). If this has already been discussed, sorry I didn't read enough of the thread to find it...
NO!
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This is killing me!!!!!
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Minnemann is German I believe.
Right on. Guess there's nothing to the use of Spanish there then. They just need to tell us already -- clearly I'm grasping at straws... :blush
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Paciencia y Fe is the title of one of the scenes in Act I of a well-known Broadway musical called In The Heights. The line "paciencia y fe" is repeated throughout one of the key songs in the show. It is currently running on Broadway, and I'm guessing JP has seen it, which brought the line to mind.
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Thanks Bosk..It's about time that you posted something that made sense in the thread lately! :D
We're good.. Belichik has spoken!
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Bosk1 is the DTF radio host. Just foreshadowing his next comic segment after the sponsored commercial break.
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Don't know if this has been mentioned, but:
On January 5th 2011, it was revealed that Aquiles will be the new drummer for Dream Theater.
lol? :lol
Did I miss something? ???
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Don't know if this has been mentioned, but:
On January 5th 2011, it was revealed that Aquiles will be the new drummer for Dream Theater.
lol? :lol
Did I miss something? ???
Probably not.
https://www.theonion.com/articles/wikipedia-celebrates-750-years-of-american-indepen,2007/
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Someone has RAGING hard-on for Aquiles and thats getting annoying... Srsly he is not even that good.
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Only just noticed that Thomas Lang follows Jordan Rudess, JP and JLB on Twitter. Best friends? #FunSpeculation
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Mike Portnoy follows Billy Sheehan on twitter! That means Pat Torpey is going to be the new DT drummer!
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Only just noticed that Thomas Lang follows Jordan Rudess, JP and JLB on Twitter. Best friends? #FunSpeculation
He has been following them since October.
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Mike Portnoy follows Billy Sheehan on twitter! That means Pat Torpey is going to be the new DT drummer!
LOL. Pulling out the Mr. Big reference. Fantastic!
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Someone has RAGING hard-on for Aquiles and thats getting annoying... Srsly he is not even that good.
I disagree
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Can we just start banning people who talk about AP?
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Can we just start banning people who talk about AP?
I am sure they care :-\
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Can we just start banning people who talk about AP?
I am sure they care :-\
He's an AP lover! Burn him!
Err...ban! Ban him! I meant ban...
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Can we just start banning people who talk about AP?
I am sure they care :-\
He's an AP lover! Burn him!
Err...ban! Ban him! I meant ban...
:D I like a lot of drummers and I think, along with thousands of others, think he is good, regardless of the DT situation.
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No worries, I was completely kidding anyway. :P
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No worries, I was completely kidding anyway. :P
I know. Thats why I put the smiley face :laugh: , now I will go drink another PBR...
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Looks like Marco won't be the new drummer: https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=151884
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:(
*changes vote back to Mangini*
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Alright so it's official. EVERYONE HAS BEEN RULED OUT.
Haha seriously wtf?
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We all assume it will be a big name.
The guys name is probably Steve Jensen or something, a part time Kinkos worker from New Mexico.
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS!
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Steve Jensen or something
For legal reasons, I cannot comment on this just yet.
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how long should a broken foot heals?
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The longer this takes the more attractive Zombie Mike Portnoy becomes as a selection.
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I don't care anymore. I wouldn't even care if it was Tre Cool... I just want to hear the new album NOW... even though it hasn't been written (or has it?) and recorded yet. I WANT IT NOW!
NOW!
NOW!
NOW!
ok over it
edit: It's pretty sad that Kevin Moore is in like 4th place on here.
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It's pretty sad that Kevin Moore is in like 4th place on here.
You seriously expected anything less? At this point, I'm surprised he isn't first.
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The only reason Kevin Moore isn't winning is that Zombie MP is taking some of the comedy option votes. :P
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The only reason Kevin Moore isn't winning is that Zombie MP is taking some of the comedy option votes. :P
but... MP isn't dead... unless... quick someone play BC&SL backwards!
You seriously expected anything less? At this point, I'm surprised he isn't first.
I too am suprised he isnt first...
He should take the hint and start learning drums
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The only reason Kevin Moore isn't winning is that Zombie MP is taking some of the comedy option votes. :P
Hmm yeah, if you combine the two, it ranks third behind the two MMs.
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Alright so it's official. EVERYONE HAS BEEN RULED OUT.
Haha seriously wtf?
This makes Macro unlikely but still possible. Mangini is still as strong a possibility as ever.
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Alright so it's official. EVERYONE HAS BEEN RULED OUT.
Haha seriously wtf?
This makes Macro unlikely but still possible. Mangini is still as strong a possibility as ever.
Mangini stated he will be playing a lot with Pearl E-Pro.
well, i don't think DT will be in need of a drummer using electronic drum.
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Alright so it's official. EVERYONE HAS BEEN RULED OUT.
Haha seriously wtf?
This makes Macro unlikely but still possible. Mangini is still as strong a possibility as ever.
Mangini stated he will be playing a lot with Pearl E-Pro.
well, i don't think DT will be in need of a drummer using electronic drum.
Oh, you're right. Because he's doing some work with Pearl E-Pro, he's definitely not the guy. Why didn't I see the logic in that before?
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Most compelling evidence its definitely going to be Mike Mangini ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxE2GGE6SDY
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From https://www.mikemangini.com/news.htm
Currently: I have just shipped of my drum tracks for 6 songs for guitarist Isao Fujita (who I did a short tour of Japan with in 2010.) They're my best playing to date ;) Can't wait for them to be heard. My new 'leg' is coming alone so well but slowly. I have posted some new videos on youtube. One is a solo from October 2010, the last recorded one for me. You can see/hear a huge difference in my groove; it is because my upper leg muscles are now working as they should've all along. Anyway, I will be now revamping the studio before my next sessions start in about two weeks. I have to spend time working with and learning the new Pearl E-Pro Electronic kit & brain. Lots of videos and website ideas are on cue...
This seems oddly tacked on in context with the rest of the post. It's like Mike is trying to tell us a message.
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I think it's Marco. Though I'll keep my original vote for Thomas Lang.
This.
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Maybe the Aquiles link is a misspelling of Achilles, who was shot in the foot, so that points to Lang! :rollin
And Lowdz would be happy. Been listening to the StOrk clips and I like it. Will have to get it.
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Most compelling evidence its definitely going to be Mike Mangini ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxE2GGE6SDY
Ha, I've seen that before. Wow.
I changed my vote back to Lang, just because that's who I voted for originally.
I don't care who it is, though.
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Just watched some Mangini videos. He's good, I wouldn't mind him being in Dream Theater. But I dunno, I'll be happy with whoever they pick. This Aquiles character? Why not, the guys liked him, I'm fine with that.
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Where did you read that the guys like Preister?
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Where did you read that the guys like Preister?
I would like to know this too.
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:o.. today is wise men day and they will give us the present today!!!
altho i don't know if in US they celebrate three wise men day.
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:o.. today is wise men day and they will give us the present today!!!
Why should they do that today? They'll do it when everything is sorted out.
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No Marco? :(
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:o.. today is wise men day and they will give us the present today!!!
Why should they do that today? They'll do it when everything is sorted out.
No reason at all.. i'm just wishfully thinking that today is the end of my agony!
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:o.. today is wise men day and they will give us the present today!!!
Why should they do that today? They'll do it when everything is sorted out.
Ah come on, just a bit of fun/speculation. That's what this thread is about.
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Where did you read that the guys like Preister?
I would like to know this too.
Somebody said in some forum (I think it was Virgil Donati's forum) that he is the chosen one. I don't think so
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Steve Jensen or something
For legal reasons, I cannot comment on this just yet.
:rollin Dude, where have you been?
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Where did you read that the guys like Preister?
I would like to know this too.
Somebody said in some forum (I think it was Virgil Donati's forum) that he is the chosen one. I don't think so
I did see that awhile ago, but it was another rumor. Any of these rumors could be true.
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Where did you read that the guys like Preister?
Nah, my mistake. I wanted to say that if the guys liked him, I'd be fine with that. I find it strange that some people would be disappointed by the new drummer because it's not the one the fans were hoping for. So what? The important thing is what Dream Theater thinks.
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Of course. But the truth has already been revealed two pages ago.
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Well, this is certainly interesting. Posted earlier today:
A new day is about to dawn for progressive metal kings, Dream Theater. Questions have abounded recently about who will replace Mike Portnoy on drums. Under normal circumstances, hiring a replacement drummer would not create such a buzz.
In Dream Theaters case, however, nothing is ever conventional. Lets not forget that this is the band that breathed new life into progressive music. Even stalwarts like Yes and Rush seemed to be losing steam in the 1990s. Suffice it to say, without Dream Theaters influence, the genre would be on life support.
Perhaps, then, it should come as no surprise that little in Dream Theater world is typical. Reports are that Portnoy initially recommended the band go on indefinite hiatus. Instead, the band gave Portnoy an unexpected ultimatum: Either enter the studio in January 2011 as planned, or relinquish the drum throne. Stepping down as Dream Theaters drummer was not something Portnoy had previously contemplated. This was a band he founded and had been with for the past twenty-five years. Essentially, the band did not want to lose any momentum by delaying their next album. Reluctantly, Portnoy decided to step aside.
Initial fan reaction to the announcement was mixed; some were angry, and some excited. Speculation about who will replace Portnoys is the new topic of the day.
Not one to stand idle, Portnoy has booked two projects with Neal Morse for 2011. On top of that, he also finished a tour with Avenged Sevenfold as interim drummer after the passing of Jimmy "Rev" Sullivan. To date, Portnoy has not revealed any long-term plans.
Twitter, fan Internet forums, and sites like Blabbermouth have fueled fan speculation. However, the band has not yet made its final announcement about Portnoys successor. Ending the rumors evidently took a backseat to working out other issues.
None of the band members have leaked the information--Except to say that auditions have been held, and the decision has been made.
When the announcement would come, fans could only guess...until now.
Dream Theater recently informed sources that the announcement is imminent. Ready or not, fans will know the identity of the man on the throne before long. Under the circumstances, the announcement will come none too soon for most. Many, many names of potential candidates have been tossed around the rumor mill: Minnemann, Mangini, Lang, Donati, and even Lars Ulrich have been rumored by fans.
Everyone will no doubt be scouring the Internet for the news over the next few days. Read who the new drummer is right here--very, VERY soon.
It's a bit cryptic, but if you read carefully, I think I know what the guy is hinting at.
EDIT: Sorry about the weird formatting. That's how it copied from the site and I can't be bothered to fix it.
EDIT: I am still trying to decipher this code... :-X ...Portnoy...Ulrich... :laugh:
ok not Lars :lol
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The only reason Kevin Moore isn't winning is that Zombie MP is taking some of the comedy option votes. :P
Comedy option?
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By "comedy" I of course mean "most realistic".
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What, no option for Herman Rarebell?
Funny stuff, good old Herman. Why not Tommy Aldridge?
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Removed my vote from Thomas Lang so as to vote him again :metal
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so...marco enters the studio with some prog band from tampa in a month
...out of the running?
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so...marco enters the studio with some prog band from tampa in a month
...out of the running?
Source?
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so...marco enters the studio with some prog band from tampa in a month
...out of the running?
Source?
Last page
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i just noticed it at blabbermouth, though apparently its also on the last page (i didnt notice)
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He's just being a session drummer for that band, it's still not an indication of ANYTHING.
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He's just being a session drummer for that band, it's still not an indication of ANYTHING.
It's 99% proof. It's not 100% proof. But it's enough. The man isn't dumb enough to book himself that way if he got the gig.
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Today headline in blabbermouth
Dream theater have schedule the new drummer announcement today at 6 pm ET to prevent thousands of die hard dream theater fans of killing each other because of the whole anticipation of who the drummer is.
just kidding but i think it is going to get out of control
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when a band like that hires a session drummer like marco, do they want him to go all out?! who will they ever find to replicate his parts in the future?!!
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Today headline in blabbermouth
Dream theater have schedule the new drummer announcement today at 6 pm ET to prevent thousands of die hard dream theater fans of killing each other because of the whole anticipation of who the drummer is.
just kidding but i think it is going to get out of control
Not cool. Someone ban him or something please....
jk
but still dude WTF?
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when a band like that hires a session drummer like marco, do they want him to go all out?! who will they ever find to replicate his parts in the future?!!
Is "a band like that" referring to Dream Theater or to that other random prog band? Because, as we have discussed ad nauseum, Dream Theater's new drummer will not be a session drummer/hired gun.
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jk
but still dude WTF?
hahaha.. i was just kidding as some people are losing patience.
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jk
but still dude WTF?
hahaha.. i was just kidding as some people are losing patience.
I know...
BUT MY FUCKING HEART JUMPED AND THEN SANK LIKE THE TITANIC....
:sadpanda:
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I'm sorry man :blush
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cuz its NOT like i have been checking every half hour or so for an announcement since portnoy left....
ok yes i have
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when a band like that hires a session drummer like marco, do they want him to go all out?! who will they ever find to replicate his parts in the future?!!
Is "a band like that" referring to Dream Theater or to that other random prog band? Because, as we have discussed ad nauseum, Dream Theater's new drummer will not be a session drummer/hired gun.
ya, i was referring to the other random band. i s'pose that's not what the thread is for, but...
it just got me thinking.
....and then i got sidetracked reading indisciple's thread and throwing on images & words :metal
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Every time I glance at Mike Mangini, I think I see Man-gina.
Which, I'm sure no one has made that joke before. Noone. Ever.
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Every time I glance at Mike Mangini, I think I see Man-gina.
Which, I'm sure no one has made that joke before. Noone. Ever.
You're thinking of Eric Mangini!
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Every time I glance at Mike Mangini, I think I see Man-gina.
Which, I'm sure no one has made that joke before. Noone. Ever.
Thanks a lot. Now I'll always think of that whenever I see his name.
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jk
but still dude WTF?
hahaha.. i was just kidding as some people are losing patience.
I know...
BUT MY FUCKING HEART JUMPED AND THEN SANK LIKE THE TITANIC....
:sadpanda:
(https://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6400000/Rose-titanic-6424019-461-346.jpg)
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Every time I glance at Mike Mangini, I think I see Man-gina.
Which, I'm sure no one has made that joke before. Noone. Ever.
"I'm Old Greeeeeggggggggggggg"
If you don't get, youtube it!
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Mike Mangini's website update is very weird, it kind of rules him out in a way
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Mike Mangini's website update is very weird, it kind of rules him out in a way
He has always had the website like that. Even the previous version was weird, well not weird, but more like structured "different" than other websites.
maybe the revamp has to do with the DT gig if he got it.I'm pretty sure a lot of people will visit his website to learn about him. Maybe he is trying to do it ASAP and more presentable if he got the DT gig (adding vids, pics, setups, endorsements, discography, etc...).
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No no, not the site itself, the update he put on there. Where he said he is working on electronic drums and some studio work
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I bet the new DT album will good, but not as good as if _____________ were the drummer.
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No no, not the site itself, the update he put on there. Where he said he is working on electronic drums and some studio work
ah..ooops...my bad.
yeah, especially the electronic drums thing...
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No no, not the site itself, the update he put on there. Where he said he is working on electronic drums and some studio work
It has no bearing whatsoever. I'm sure he'd have plenty of time to do all that stuff in several months that will inevitably pass between him recording the album and the album being released. Remember, DT went in the studio for Black Clouds in October 2008 and that record didn't come out until July 2009. How long were the band actually writing and recording? I highly doubt longer than a month or so.
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No no, not the site itself, the update he put on there. Where he said he is working on electronic drums and some studio work
It has no bearing whatsoever. I'm sure he'd have plenty of time to do all that stuff in several months that will inevitably pass between him recording the album and the album being released. Remember, DT went in the studio for Black Clouds in October 2008 and that record didn't come out until July 2009. How long were the band actually writing and recording? I highly doubt longer than a month or so.
LaBrie seemed to think it would take two or three in that radio interview a few days ago.
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wat.
is going on?
I was just going to ask this
Did anyone actually work out what happened on page 49 and where that large 'quote' came from and what the 'hidden message' was?
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no but if Bosk doesn't come clean I going to California and checking every office (near the River) until I find him and choke it out of him
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Did anyone actually work out what happened on page 49 and where that large 'quote' came from and what the 'hidden message' was?
I certainly didn't, I wonder if anyone did. It obviously didn't tell us who the new drummer is, though...
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I got it, look at the first letter of every sentence then put them together.
Damn you bosk! >:(
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I got it, look at the first letter of every sentence then put them together.
Damn you bosk! >:(
If anyones bored going 2-3 pages back, it says:
Aquiles Priester is not the new drummer
Nice! ;)
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:hefdaddy
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I got it, look at the first letter of every sentence then put them together.
Damn you bosk! >:(
lol...I did not even look at it that way :facepalm:
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How long were the band actually writing and recording? I highly doubt longer than a month or so.
def longer than a month. they started in oct and didnt finish until around march or so.
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how long should a broken foot heals?
I'm thinking it may be Lang, he might of gotten the broken foot and the rest of DT will start writing, he'll join when he is ready.
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wat.
is going on?
I was just going to ask this
Did anyone actually work out what happened on page 49 and where that large 'quote' came from and what the 'hidden message' was?
Adami and I figured it out, but Bosk deleted our posts and told us to be quiet hahaha
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wat.
is going on?
I was just going to ask this
Did anyone actually work out what happened on page 49 and where that large 'quote' came from and what the 'hidden message' was?
Adami and I figured it out, but Bosk deleted our posts and told us to be quiet hahaha
Sorry my bad.. i ended in the priester thing and not the followings word.. now i'm relieve again haha.
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wat.
is going on?
I was just going to ask this
Did anyone actually work out what happened on page 49 and where that large 'quote' came from and what the 'hidden message' was?
Adami and I figured it out, but Bosk deleted our posts and told us to be quiet hahaha
Sooo amazing! :rollin
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How long were the band actually writing and recording? I highly doubt longer than a month or so.
def longer than a month. they started in oct and didnt finish until around march or so.
Didn't finish the mastering and such maybe, but I'm sure the majority of the band's work was done well before march.
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i wish there wasnt a change votes function. wouldve liked to see the real bets
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i wish there wasnt a change votes function. wouldve liked to see the real bets
Yeah, the legal system of DTF has become a falacy.
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i wish there wasnt a change votes function. wouldve liked to see the real bets
Keeping in mind that this thread was started on October 27th, here's what the votes looked like on November 20th:
Virgil Donati 16 (7.6%)
Peter Wildoer 13 (6.2%)
Mike Mangini 25 (11.8%)
Marco Minnemann 6 (2.8%)
Thomas Lang 33 (15.6%)
Charlie Zeleny 29 (13.7%)
Terry Bozzio 5 (2.4%)
Nick D'Virgilio 2 (0.9%)
Mark Zonder 2 (0.9%)
Rod Morgenstein 6 (2.8%)
Bobby Jarzombek 3 (1.4%)
Ted Kirkpatrick 1 (0.5%)
John Macaluso 3 (1.4%)
Travis Orbin 0 (0%)
Chris Maitland 1 (0.5%)
Richard Christy 1 (0.5%)
Martin Lopez 5 (2.4%)
Gavin Harrison 3 (1.4%)
Zombie Mike Portnoy 15 (7.1%)
Kevin Moore 30 (14.2%)
OTHER 12 (5.7%)
Or, ranked...
1. Thomas Lang 33 (15.6%)
2. Kevin Moore 30 (14.2%)
3. Charlie Zeleny 29 (13.7%)
4. Mike Mangini 25 (11.8%)
5. Virgil Donati 16 (7.6%)
6. Zombie Mike Portnoy 15 (7.1%)
7. Peter Wildoer 13 (6.2%)
8. Marco Minnemann 6 (2.8%)
8. Rod Morgenstein 6 (2.8%)
10. Terry Bozzio 5 (2.4%)
10. Martin Lopez 5 (2.4%)
12. Bobby Jarzombek 3 (1.4%)
12. John Macaluso 3 (1.4%)
12. Gavin Harrison 3 (1.4%)
15. Nick D'Virgilio 2 (0.9%)
15. Mark Zonder 2 (0.9%)
17. Ted Kirkpatrick 1 (0.5%)
17. Chris Maitland 1 (0.5%)
17. Richard Christy 1 (0.5%)
20. Travis Orbin 0 (0%)
x. OTHER 12 (5.7%)
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I am completely amazed the new drummer hasn't leaked yet. By this point I'm sure at least 100 people know.
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I am completely amazed the new drummer hasn't leaked yet. By this point I'm sure at least 100 people know.
Am I one of them? Oh god I hope I am.
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His initials are: b.1.
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His initials are: b.1.
You sure they aren't B.4.?
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His initials are: b.1.
Could you be more specific?
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T.L.
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T.L.
Tommy Lee is a terrible choice :P
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His initials are: b.1.
Could you be more specific?
:lol Bosk1
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Do you mean bösk1?
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His initials are: b.1.
Could you be more specific?
:lol Bosk1
Really?
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bosk1? Damn, I thought it would be the guy on the left. He would have been awesome.
(https://www.croylandcentre.ik.org/img/Bananas-in-Pyjamas-5556438.jpg)
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@thomaslangdrum:
flying on private jets does not suck.
Guess that TL is on his way to join the other guys and start working @ the studio.... We'll know next week... :facepalm:
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@thomaslangdrum:
flying on private jets does not suck.
Guess that TL is on his way to join the other guys and start working @ the studio.... We'll know next week... :facepalm:
DT aren't a private jet band
OR ARE THEY
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@thomaslangdrum:
flying on private jets does not suck.
Guess that TL is on his way to join the other guys and start working @ the studio.... We'll know next week... :facepalm:
Yes because he wouldn't have any other possible placd to go. And I doubt DT have a private jet.
Unless you were being sarcastic. In which case.......potato.
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All ways lead to DT
All jews know that.
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I wouldn't be surprised if DT chartered a private jet for a special occasion.
But that doesn't mean that Lang is the drummer.
But it would be cool if he was.
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Yeah, I'm not sure DT has a private jet. Either way, it sounds like he's doing something important, considering he doesn't usually fly private jets. An earlier tweet: "seriously -- when you call united airlines customer service it's like talking to the wall.... pull it together!!!". Maybe RR flew him out if he is the new drummer?
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I watched some TL drum videos today, would be really cool if he got picked.
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Private jets aint too expensive,(for those guys, rental that is) ecspecially if it's on RR bill. So that is possible. At least i hope so :D I've been wondering what DT would be with him, even before MP left !
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Best case scenario: Thomas Lang
I've kept my vote the same, just in hopes that he will be chosen. I do find it odd that no one could back up the cancelled seattle bootcamp, and if he's taking a private jet, chances are it's for some drumming. So his foot couldn't be that bad.
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I watched some TL drum videos today, would be really cool if he got picked.
You should listen to the StOrk album (with TL)... Impressive! Just what DT needs...
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Maybe all three were selected. MP's kit is pretty big, after all.
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Maybe all three were selected. MP's kit is pretty big, after all.
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..........................................................touche.
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Never seen MP play upside down. That's where Tommy Lee totally dominates MP. ;D
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I have to say that I'm proud of myself, too. I voted for "Zombie Mike Portnoy" and, not only did I not change my vote, I'm still holding out hope!
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Interesting part about the private jet - it allows his destination to be more private as well, which means he could very well be going to the studio in secret. You know, because it's been four months now and I'm sure another four wouldn't hurt.
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just for the record, how certain are we that it is out of Minnemann, Mangini and Lang? or what is the likelihood of a new drummer who is not of these three?
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In all honesty, we have no idea. None of them have been conclusively ruled out, but then again, there's a whole slew of other drummers it could be.
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just for the record, how certain are we that it is out of Minnemann, Mangini and Lang? or what is the likelihood of a new drummer who is not of these three?
It's 95% sure that it isn;t Marco. Other people talked about why it isn't Mangini, but I didn't follow it. And as far as Lang, I don't know.
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i want marco to be the guy so bad. but i certainly wont discount whoever is picked because they werent my top guy
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Please God not Thomas Lang.
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Please God not Thomas Lang.
I know he's got monstrous coordination and speed, but I feel a bit like this also. Additional creativity is what the DT guys need, rather than a human drum machine.
i want marco to be the guy so bad. but i certainly wont discount whoever is picked because they werent my top guy
yeah pretty much this also.
btw ChrisDTM, had a look at one of your youtube vids of you playing some periphery licks. Great stuff! keep it up.
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I can't wait for the announcement so I can mock everyone who thinks it's Macro Minneman.
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Not changed my vote for Mangini as the OP was asking who you believed it would be, not who you wanted. I dreamed it was Mangini early in the piece but I did have another a few weeks ago where he was sat at a table crying just before the city was bombed and I had to rescue a load of people... dreams eh?
fingers and everything else crossed it's Lang.
I'd be happy with Minneman.
There seem to be lots of awesome drummers out there but at this point I would be slightly disappointed in Mangini just because I've not seen anything where I thought "wow, he's the man", unlike with the other two I mentioned.
If it turned out to be Priester (I know, it's not him) and he turned up with that octopus thing on his kit, I would have to go onstage and punch him.
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T.L.
Okay guys, I'll admit it. I'm the new drummer.
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i want marco to be the guy so bad. but i certainly wont discount whoever is picked because they werent my top guy
yeah pretty much this also.
btw ChrisDTM, had a look at one of your youtube vids of you playing some periphery licks. Great stuff! keep it up.
thanks for checkin the vids out man
I can't wait for the announcement so I can mock everyone who thinks it's Macro Minneman.
:(
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I really think Thomas Lang is a good drummer, but he's not the kind they need now..
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I can't wait for the announcement so I can mock everyone who thinks it's Macro Minneman.
:(
Well, I hate to sound like a dick, but it's annoying yet kinda sad and funny that people are seriously defending the idea that he's the drummer based purely on the fact they want him to be the drummer when there's no evidence supporting it.
Which is almost fine, but then don't make posts telling other people they're wrong.
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how long should a broken foot heals?
I'm thinking it may be Lang, he might of gotten the broken foot and the rest of DT will start writing, he'll join when he is ready.
Maybe he faked the injury so people would not start speculating about why he cancelled his drum camp?
Tin
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I can't wait for the announcement so I can mock everyone who thinks it's Macro Minneman.
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Well, I hate to sound like a dick, but it's annoying yet kinda sad and funny that people are seriously defending the idea that he's the drummer based purely on the fact they want him to be the drummer when there's no evidence supporting it.
Which is almost fine, but then don't make posts telling other people they're wrong.
yea i know. i just want him to be the guy, but ive never said that any one guy was the drummer. we all have no idea
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You know, it would really be hilarious if DT actually did pull an Achtung Baby and went for electronic drums. And then have a live drummer play it on gigs.
rumborak
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No, it would not be hilarious..It would suck!
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Let me see if I can give some reasons why I think it's Lang......or at least want it to be. He has the formal education and training background down.....actually Graduated from his school. So when it comes to arranging and composition discussions/ideas he can definitely contribute. He does some cool showmanship with all the stick twirls/spins. Visually I think he brings more to the table. A lot of the interviews/clinics I've watched he seems to have a great sense of humor. Playing wise..........forget about it. He's an incredible player imo. His double bass technique is crazy. Extremely nuanced. Very important is his apparent commitment to continually improve and push the boundaries of drumming.
Kind of like where things went keyboard player wise with the progression to Jordan his how I would compare Lang. They seem like they would get along. This is all about how I think he would mesh with DT and not necessarily that the other guys don't share some of the same qualities. When I watch videos of each of them I like something about Lang that I don't see in the other guys that isn't really easy to explain. This is all my personal opinion of course.
HOWEVER...................... some of the music I've watched him play along to I haven't been that impressed with. I understand he probably wrote some of it. I like his drumming over it, but not the actually guitar stuff he's playing to. I'm not too worried about that though, because I don't expect him to compose guitar parts. Any more than Mike composed guitar parts. I would definitely like to see what he can do with JP, JM, and JR.
I hope it's him. My first choice, don't see how he's out of the running anymore than the other big 2 candidates. Who ever they pick it will be interesting and I'm looking forward to the next album with great anticipation.
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how long should a broken foot heals?
I'm thinking it may be Lang, he might of gotten the broken foot and the rest of DT will start writing, he'll join when he is ready.
Maybe he faked the injury so people would not start speculating about why he cancelled his drum camp?
Tin
Where did he say that he canceled his drum camps? The last thing on twitter I saw, he said that it was it for 2010. This was in Nov 2010, so it make sense. Also, he stated that there would be camps outside the US in 2011.
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So basically nothing has changed since I left.
Posting in a speculation thread.
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So basically nothing has changed since I left.
Posting in a speculation thread.
I already proved that Bosk is the new drummer.
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yet we are unable to cast a vote for bosk.........................
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yet we are unable to cast a vote for bosk.........................
There's a thread for that.
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how long should a broken foot heals?
I'm thinking it may be Lang, he might of gotten the broken foot and the rest of DT will start writing, he'll join when he is ready.
Maybe he faked the injury so people would not start speculating about why he cancelled his drum camp?
Tin
Where did he say that he canceled his drum camps? The last thing on twitter I saw, he said that it was it for 2010. This was in Nov 2010, so it make sense. Also, he stated that there would be camps outside the US in 2011.
I think it was a drum camp at seattle that was canceled due to his injury, i'm not sure maybe i'm wrong...
Tin
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I just can't see Lang in DT, sorry. I pray that it isn't Lang. Srsly.
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I just can't see Lang in DT, sorry. I pray that it isn't Lang. Srsly.
I pray that God ignores your prayer. Plus, you could always close your eyes and pretend it's whoever else you can see in DT.
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I just can't see Lang in DT, sorry. I pray that it isn't Lang. Srsly.
I pray that God ignores your prayer. Plus, you could always close your eyes and pretend it's whoever else you can see in DT.
This.
Srsly Sneakyblueberry (:lol) if you're gonna make a comment like that about a drummer this caliber, you should back it up.
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Lang is srsly overrated. At least I think he is. When I watch him, I can see that everything he does is outrageously technical, and requires a very high level of coordination and precision, but for some reason he just doesn't draw me into his playing. It seems soulless.
If he is picked though, I hope he hooks up octobans to his pedals lol.
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Well, atmyne, I feel the same about Lang. He's very technical, but for some reason, I'm not really drawn to his playing beside the technicality. Macaluso would have been / would be perfect for me : maybe not as technical as others, but I love his playing.
B.Lee
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Do you guys think DT might make the new drummer announcement during the NAMM convention? Jordan, will be there, I'm sure both Johns will be there as well, and most likely their new drummer will be there, if it's Lang or Minnemann, with DW Drums, Mangini with Pearl Drums?
I think it's a well covered industry event, and might be a cool way to announce it, what do you guys think?
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Good point, but I think not. If they would do that, there'll be a press release way before the namm, just to have as much coverage as possible.
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how long should a broken foot heals?
I'm thinking it may be Lang, he might of gotten the broken foot and the rest of DT will start writing, he'll join when he is ready.
Maybe he faked the injury so people would not start speculating about why he cancelled his drum camp?
Tin
Where did he say that he canceled his drum camps? The last thing on twitter I saw, he said that it was it for 2010. This was in Nov 2010, so it make sense. Also, he stated that there would be camps outside the US in 2011.
I think it was a drum camp at seattle that was canceled due to his injury, i'm not sure maybe i'm wrong...
Tin
Yea I think I remember a link being posted here that one of his camps was cancelled due to a broken foot.
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how long should a broken foot heals?
I'm thinking it may be Lang, he might of gotten the broken foot and the rest of DT will start writing, he'll join when he is ready.
Maybe he faked the injury so people would not start speculating about why he cancelled his drum camp?
Tin
Where did he say that he canceled his drum camps? The last thing on twitter I saw, he said that it was it for 2010. This was in Nov 2010, so it make sense. Also, he stated that there would be camps outside the US in 2011.
I think it was a drum camp at seattle that was canceled due to his injury, i'm not sure maybe i'm wrong...
Tin
Yea I think I remember a link being posted here that one of his camps was cancelled due to a broken foot.
There was a link from some random guy, but there was nothing announced on Thomas Lang's Drum Camp website, so I'd take that supposed injury with a grain of salt. Thomas hasn't tweeted about it either, and he tweets for just about anything.
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Do you guys think DT might make the new drummer announcement during the NAMM convention? Jordan, will be there, I'm sure both Johns will be there as well, and most likely their new drummer will be there, if it's Lang or Minnemann, with DW Drums, Mangini with Pearl Drums?
I think it's a well covered industry event, and might be a cool way to announce it, what do you guys think?
Probably not. The NAMM convention will be about the new products different companies are releasing. It's about them and not about a band who happens to be at NAMM. It would draw a lot of the attention away from the convention itself, so I would say it isn't happening. Plus LOTS of people over there probably don't even like Dream Theater, it would be very odd if they announced it over there.
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Do you guys think DT might make the new drummer announcement during the NAMM convention? Jordan, will be there, I'm sure both Johns will be there as well, and most likely their new drummer will be there, if it's Lang or Minnemann, with DW Drums, Mangini with Pearl Drums?
I think it's a well covered industry event, and might be a cool way to announce it, what do you guys think?
Probably not. The NAMM convention will be about the new products different companies are releasing. It's about them and not about a band who happens to be at NAMM. It would draw a lot of the attention away from the convention itself, so I would say it isn't happening. Plus LOTS of people over there probably don't even like Dream Theater, it would be very odd if they announced it over there.
Good points.
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Lang is srsly overrated. At least I think he is. When I watch him, I can see that everything he does is outrageously technical, and requires a very high level of coordination and precision, but for some reason he just doesn't draw me into his playing. It seems soulless.
If he is picked though, I hope he hooks up octobans to his pedals lol.
So, because you don't like him (his playing doesn't 'draw you in'), he is overrated? It's ok if you don't like him, I'm just trying to figure out why you say his playing is soulless..? Is it one of those "chops vs. emotion" debates? Enlighten me.
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Personally, from what I've seen of Lang, I like him a lot better than Mangini. I feel that Lang at least has a sense of groove and dynamics - something I've yet to see from Mangini.
I'd still prefer Marco out of any of these choices, however.
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Well just read that : https://www.smnnews.com/2011/01/04/psyaxis-confirm-dream-theaters-marco-minnemann-as-drummer/
and other news site are saying this as well.
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Well just read that : https://www.smnnews.com/2011/01/04/psyaxis-confirm-dream-theaters-marco-minnemann-as-drummer/
and other news site are saying this as well.
Not official.
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quote from the band minnemann is recording with:
"Im not too sure where DT came into play on this article. I dont want there to be a misunderstanding. Minnemann is coming down to play drums on our album, but it has nothing to do with DT. Id love to see him play with them, but I dont think he is their new drummer"
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God rock journalism is getting terrible.
Anyway, as I said earlier....IF Marco is the new drummer, then DT have the worst PR people in history.
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quote from the band minnemann is recording with:
"Im not too sure where DT came into play on this article. I dont want there to be a misunderstanding. Minnemann is coming down to play drums on our album, but it has nothing to do with DT. Id love to see him play with them, but I dont think he is their new drummer"
I don't think that whoever made this announcement, would say that Marco is indeed DT's new drummer. Hell, even if a DT member was asked, he would probably deny it (or wouldn't comment on the subject at all).
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God rock journalism is getting terrible.
No, internet journalism is staying terrible.
Any fucking numpty can set up their own website. Many do.
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Any fucking numpty can set up their own website. Many do.
Thanks Rob, great.
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And Marco would definitely do well not to say a word through all this. By letting rumors spread that he is the new drummer when he clearly isn't due to this other project it will allow him to really get his name out there. Even though they never toured because of the financial issue just look at what being announced for Progressive Nation did for a band like Beardfish.
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Any fucking numpty can set up their own website. Many do.
Thanks Rob, great.
Any fucking numpty can set up their own website =/= anybody with a website is a fucking numpty.
All I'm saying is that on a system with no real quality control, i.e. the internet, some websites are inevitably gonna be shit, and not necessarily representative of the professional journalism industry.
Just as you get erudite, clever youtube commenters in amongst the shit ones, there are plenty of good amateur sites. But just as you can't look at youtube comments and go "man, political commentators are going right downhill," you can't really look at a cobbled-together rock news website and go "rock journalism's atrocious lately."
Assuming you're an amateur rock journalist - and so am I, by the way - I'm defending the profession you're aspiring to. Criticising the notion that rock journalism's not what it used to be. The odd crap website does not a dying medium make.
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Do you guys think DT might make the new drummer announcement during the NAMM convention? Jordan, will be there, I'm sure both Johns will be there as well, and most likely their new drummer will be there, if it's Lang or Minnemann, with DW Drums, Mangini with Pearl Drums?
I think it's a well covered industry event, and might be a cool way to announce it, what do you guys think?
Probably not. The NAMM convention will be about the new products different companies are releasing. It's about them and not about a band who happens to be at NAMM. It would draw a lot of the attention away from the convention itself, so I would say it isn't happening. Plus LOTS of people over there
probably don't even like Dream Theater, it would be very odd if they announced it over there.
It's possible. A couple years back they had RacerX reunite so having a band announce a new drummer wouldn't overshadow the convention.
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My first choice is Lang. If he's the drummer, that would be fucking amazing.
Is Minnemann is the new drummer, that would also be fucking awesome.
If it's Mangini, that would, as well, be fucking awesome.
Basically, I'm trusting that the guys are capable of selecting a drummer who's the right fit for DT. No matter who they pick, it will be a huge shakeup for the band. They've always done well after a lineup change.
First studio release after JLB joined: Images & Words
First studio release after Derek joined: A Change of Seasons
First studio release after JR joined: Scenes From A Memory
No matter who they pick, I am psyched for the new album.
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Any fucking numpty can set up their own website. Many do.
Thanks Rob, great.
Any fucking numpty can set up their own website =/= anybody with a website is a fucking numpty.
No I really meant that I thought it was funny. I now see that it can be read in a sarcastic way, but I didn't mean it like that!
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Any fucking numpty can set up their own website. Many do.
Thanks Rob, great.
Any fucking numpty can set up their own website =/= anybody with a website is a fucking numpty.
No I really meant that I thought it was funny. I now see that it can be read in a sarcastic way, but I didn't mean it like that!
AH. I thought you were offended. Sorry.
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Just been to the Modern Drummer site to vote in the 2011 poll and in the Prog section Aquiles Priester is one of the 5 options listed, along with Peart, Portnoy, Minnemann, and Harrison.
Didn't realise he was that well known.
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I'm too lazy to vote right now, but I would vote for Minneman. He's becoming bigger ad bigger in the drumming world, I guess he can have my vote. If not, the Priester, I fucking love Angra :)
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Whether Minneman is the guy or not, auditioning (or at least being believed to have auditioned) is probably one of the best things to happen for his career.
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From Mangini again: Heading to up the North Shore this week for rec session #2 of 2011. I will update my sites w/info asap. My Books site will be down for a while.
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From Mangini again: Heading to up the North Shore this week for rec session #2 of 2011. I will update my sites w/info asap. My Books site will be down for a while.
I honestly don't think it's this guy.
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I agree, I really don't think its Mangini.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he was. He certainly wouldn't be my fist choice though.
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oh man even i am losing my patience with this, and i swore i wouldnt
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oh man even i am losing my patience with this, and i swore i wouldnt
Oh...Tell me about it! :(
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what's this "north shore" place? isn't DT recording on long island? i've never been there. are there shores on long island?
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what's this "north shore" place? isn't DT recording on long island? i've never been there. are there shores on long island?
Quite possibly.
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I'm doubting it's Mangini as well unless he's deliberately trying to throw people off. Doesn't really matter though. We'll find out soon enough. At least we better. This is getting a bit out of hand really.
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what's this "north shore" place? isn't DT recording on long island? i've never been there. are there shores on long island?
Quite possibly.
-Marc.
Well, he could be cryptic and maybe he's talking about the north shore of LI, but The North Shore generally refers to the coastal towns and cities north of Boston. I'm from The South Shore.
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Avatar Studios is located in Manhattan, NYC. Assuming DT is recording there (like the past two albums), that's where they would be at.
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North Shore is a LI term......hmmmmmmm
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Nah it looks like its not Mangini...unless they're bringing him in later in the writing/recording process which is unlikely
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Nah it looks like its not Mangini...unless they're bringing him in later in the writing/recording process which is unlikely
Well, Petrucci's been "in the studio" supposedly, since January 3rd, yet Jordan hasn't been by there at all, as far as I know, and he's going to NAMM later this week, so he likely won't be joining JP until next week.
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I should totally camp outside the studios!
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Avatar Studios is located in Manhattan, NYC. Assuming DT is recording there (like the past two albums), that's where they would be at.
I could be wrong, but I would bet they won't be using Avatar.
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Avatar Studios is located in Manhattan, NYC. Assuming DT is recording there (like the past two albums), that's where they would be at.
I could be wrong, but I would bet they won't be using Avatar.
Why do you think that Bosk?
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Avatar Studios is located in Manhattan, NYC. Assuming DT is recording there (like the past two albums), that's where they would be at.
I could be wrong, but I would bet they won't be using Avatar.
Why do you think that Bosk?
Because "that's just what they're excpecting us to do!"
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Avatar Studios is located in Manhattan, NYC. Assuming DT is recording there (like the past two albums), that's where they would be at.
I could be wrong, but I would bet they won't be using Avatar.
Why do you think that Bosk?
Becase we know the dates they are in the studio, we know they've used that studio before, and it's in a well-traveled area. If they feel like they still need to keep the identity of the drummer under wraps, they are likely to record somewhere else that makes it less likely for Joe Fan to camp out and get the goods on who the new drummer is before they can release it.
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Bill Fore, formerly of Mutiny Within
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Is it soup yet?
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Avatar Studios is located in Manhattan, NYC. Assuming DT is recording there (like the past two albums), that's where they would be at.
I could be wrong, but I would bet they won't be using Avatar.
Why do you think that Bosk?
Becase we know the dates they are in the studio, we know they've used that studio before, and it's in a well-traveled area. If they feel like they still need to keep the identity of the drummer under wraps, they are likely to record somewhere else that makes it less likely for Joe Fan to camp out and get the goods on who the new drummer is before they can release it.
But, if the things are what we supposed to be, Petrucci and maybe JM are the only two in the studio right now. Setting up stuff or whatever, the one-we-don't-know-who isn't still near there, and this allows them use Avatar Studios without any problem. I mean, i'm pretty sure they will let us know who it is with a video from quite the real beginning of the recording sessions, so if they change the location, it won't be because of the still unknown choise.
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Avatar Studios was known as The Power Station so it's a very popular studio. Booking time there probably isn't cheap so I would find it odd for just JM to be there by himself.
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what's this "north shore" place? isn't DT recording on long island? i've never been there. are there shores on long island?
Yes the North shore refers to the north shore of long island....
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There are apparently multiple "North Shore"s. The one that lept immediately to mind is in Hawaii.
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Mangini is not even a prog metal drummer..... I really don't know why so many keep on betting on him!
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He seems to play a lot of prog and metal stuff, so he could be an easy pick. Lots of people are betting on him because he's more than capable of playing MP's parts. Besides, if they can play the music and get along well with the guys, it shouldn't matter if they play prog or metal or not.
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Heard the band was just setting up at the studio and writing without the phantom drummer present over the next month or two hence the mentions of Petrucci programming drum part ideas in previous tweets. They are not at Avatar but are definitely recording on Long Island. If you check out previous albums they've recorded at, there is one studio in particular that they have recorded at that is on the north shore on Long Island. Seems Mangini is our winner after taking off from classes and setting up his north shore recording session.
The band has something big to prove here and the album should be very inspired this time around. Wish it was Jarzombek, Charlie Z, Gavin Harrison or Macaluso on the album though instead of Mangini. Marco didn't get the gig but Jordan dug his playing so thats why they jammed at Mind Meld. The only other possibility of a dark horse is Aquiles Priester somehow vibing with the band better than Mangini for some reason and they could be waiting on his visa info and are having Mangini as a backup if things go awry so they don't encounter what happened with Peter Wildoer for Labrie.
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Second recording session? Recording demos maybe. I seriously don't think it's Manginni. It could be, and wouldn't bother me, but I don't think it's him. Even though he is the one who has given more clues of being the drummer, I don't think it's him. He even said he is the new drummer, but I don't think it's him, seriously.
he didn't say he was the drummer, I'm just joking
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The band has something big to prove here and the album should be very inspired this time around. Wish it was Jarzombek, Charlie Z, Gavin Harrison or Macaluso on the album though instead of Mangini. Marco didn't get the gig but Jordan dug his playing so thats why they jammed at Mind Meld. The only other possibility of a dark horse is Aquiles Priester somehow vibing with the band better than Mangini for some reason and they could be waiting on his visa info and are having Mangini as a backup if things go awry so they don't encounter what happened with Peter Wildoer for Labrie.
How do you know all this? Do we have a confirmation that Marco is officially NOT the new drummer? Regarding Visas, with the JLB tour thing, they just didn't have enough time to get James, Marco, and Peter's Visas in order, not just Peter (remember James is Canadian!), and if it WAS Priester (which I have a super gut feeling its not considering that I've heard from people here that he doesn't speak English), they'd have much longer to wait than the short time that James had.
Also, welcome to the forum! Sorry your welcome here is at my scrutinizing your post :P
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Here's an thought, and it's probably total BS because I know absolutely nothing about law, but here goes.
If legal stuff is what's holding Dream Theater back from announcing the new drummer, could it mean that, legally, he is not yet in the band? As such, could it mean that he is not legally allowed to start recording with them (in case, I dunno, there's some kind of issue during recording)? Yeah, I know, it's a reeeeal long shot, but I'm just curious as to whether or not that would make any sense, legally.
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Man I hope it not Mnagini. I have been a DT fan for 20 years. It was very hard for me to hear Portnoy left the band. When I brought my friend who has never liked DT to the show last July (hes more a hardcore death metal guy), he was very impressed. Both of us agreed the Drummer (Portnoy) had an awesome way of relating to the crowd and kinda tied the show together unlike the rest of the band.
I Love the rest of the band, dont get me wrong, but they need a powerfull drummer as well as a personality on drums. I dont see that in Mangini, definitely not Priester. Marco is awesome but I dont think he has that connect ability either.
Ive been researching all the drummers on here and their all great. I am new to most of them and want whats best for the band. But I have to say the one guy that blows away the others and just seems like a force that will draw the most respect to the band is..... Thomas Lang.
Had know idea who he was 2 months ago. But My God, I hope they pick him. He is better than Portnoy as a drummer I think by leaps and bounds. And I think he could draw the crowd in and interact with them as good as Mike did. Dream Theater wouldnt miss a beat. Hopefully this comes too pass. Peace
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Mangini: I am recording with a band called Grafite. I hope the session I just finished with Isao Fujita gets released by the end of the winter; my best playing ever by far. Medical technology and very, very hard work rules.
So he's not going up there to record with DT.
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OK Mangini voters, time to change your votes to Lang! :D
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Where did this Mangini quote come from? So we pretty much ruled everybody out, except for Lang?
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Mangini: I am recording with a band called Grafite. I hope the session I just finished with Isao Fujita gets released by the end of the winter; my best playing ever by far. Medical technology and very, very hard work rules.
So he's not going up there to record with DT.
Not necessarily true at all. Maybe he's just not involved in the writing, and the recording isn't going to happen until later. Also:
Heard the band was just setting up at the studio and writing without the phantom drummer present over the next month or two hence the mentions of Petrucci programming drum part ideas in previous tweets.
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I still find it pretty unlikely that the new drummer is going to contribute much creatively to this album outside of the drum parts. I can totally see the rest of the guys getting the album 80% of the way finished before the drummer shows up. Then they'll tell him the basic feel they want the drums to have and they'll let him fill in the blanks. I really don't think a brand new member is going to be contributing lyrics or having much say in the music beyond "hey, that's cool, but what if you did something like this..."
It may well be Mangini. Perhaps he's fulfilling obligations he already made before joining DT in the studio. Sounds like the stuff he's been wokring on is just session stuff.
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Why bring in a new guy and then turn him into a chimp that simply plays drums and doesnt have any creative input? That seems like a waste of time, and it goes against the vibe that JP put out there when he said they were looking for a permanent replacement.
Then again, Myung has been a permanent member for years and has simply played bass.
This nonsense is getting more confusing by the day.
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Why bring in a new guy and then turn him into a chimp that simply plays drums and doesnt have any creative input? That seems like a waste of time, and it goes against the vibe that JP put out there when he said they were looking for a permanent replacement.
Then again, Myung has been a permanent member for years and has simply played bass.
This nonsense is getting more confusing by the day.
I agree with your post in spirit, but in terms of the specifics it's not quite fair. If the drummer's allowed to be creative with his parts, he can define the feel and flow of the material.
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@Stoneyman: Firstly, JM contributes plenty to DT's music.
Also, just because DT are looking for a permanent full member of the band, it doesn't mean they'll have a major creative role right from the off. In fact, it makes far more sense that for the first album the new guy takes more of a back seat so they can ease in.
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Why bring in a new guy and then turn him into a chimp that simply plays drums and doesnt have any creative input?
How much creative input did the other new members of DT have on their first album outside of their own parts? Probably very little. Brand new members of bands don't tend to have lots of creative input on their first album in pretty of every case I can think of off the top of my head. Especially with well established bands. I'd give it until album 2 before the new drummer really starts influencing the creative process to a great degree. This does not make the new drummer less than a full member of the band. JLB and JM haven't had huge roles in writing recently and no one think of them as less than full members.
That said, I think DT can use a fresh prespective and hope that the new drummer is there giving input during the whole writing process as well as JLB and JM. I just don't think it will happen this time around.
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@Stoneyman: Firstly, JM contributes plenty to DT's music.
I don't understand how anyone could post this anymore. Both Paul Northfield and Jordan Rudess have said/implied that Myung contributes almost nothing.
Things are supposedly very different now, which I like on a number of levels, but as a blanket statement I don't see how your post is accurate.
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How much creative input did the other new members of DT have on their first album outside of their own parts? Probably very little.
I don't know about that. When Derek Sherinian came in, he played an active role in reworking A Change of Seasons, and on Falling Into Infinity, he basically wrote the main musical parts for Anna Lee and Lines In The Sand, among other things. When Rudess joined, he was all in creatively from the start.
Given that, it would seem really strange if DT brought in a new drummer and didn't allow him full creative participation.
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Do all professional drummers even know how/care to write music; are any of our candidates simply excellent drummers who couldn't write guitar/keys/lyrics parts for their lives? Portnoy was not this way, as we know, but that doesn't mean that all of the possible drummers will be very involved in songwriting. I havent researched that statement; maybe it is well known that lang/mangini/minneman, etc., are songwriters, but I don't know that.
I think it is obvious that DT was looking for a drummer with less influence on the music than Portnoy (since Portnoy had 50+% of the influence); do you guys think they want a drummer with equal input to JR/JM/JP, or somebody who mostly confines his creativity to his fills and such?
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The band has something big to prove here and the album should be very inspired this time around. Wish it was Jarzombek, Charlie Z, Gavin Harrison or Macaluso on the album though instead of Mangini. Marco didn't get the gig but Jordan dug his playing so thats why they jammed at Mind Meld. The only other possibility of a dark horse is Aquiles Priester somehow vibing with the band better than Mangini for some reason and they could be waiting on his visa info and are having Mangini as a backup if things go awry so they don't encounter what happened with Peter Wildoer for Labrie.
How do you know all this?
He doesn't. If he thinks Priester is even in the running, I wouldn't trust a thing he says.
@Stoneyman: Firstly, JM contributes plenty to DT's music.
I don't understand how anyone could post this anymore. Both Paul Northfield and Jordan Rudess have said/implied that Myung contributes almost nothing.
I don't understand how anyone could continue to read far more into what Northfield or Rudess have said on the subject and continue to believe JM somehow doesn't contribute.
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Do all professional drummers even know how/care to write music; are any of our candidates simply excellent drummers who couldn't write guitar/keys/lyrics parts for their lives? Portnoy was not this way, as we know, but that doesn't mean that all of the possible drummers will be very involved in songwriting. I havent researched that statement; maybe it is well known that lang/mangini/minneman, etc., are songwriters, but I don't know that.
I think it is obvious that DT was looking for a drummer with less influence on the music than Portnoy (since Portnoy had 50+% of the influence); do you guys think they want a drummer with equal input to JR/JM/JP, or somebody who mostly confines his creativity to his fills and such?
Minnemann does write a lot. He actually plays guitar and keyboard and has several solo albums.
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EDIT: Oh crap wrong thread whoopsie dasie.
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I didnt mean to imply that Myung doesnt contribute ANYTHING. But it seems that since DT came up with "the rule" in terms of how their songs get written, that Myung has taken a back seat. I do know that many fans have complained that Myung only plays what JP plays and hasnt been "interesting" in a while. Hopefully that will change.
I dont know. Why get some outstanding drummer and then limit him by only having him generally interpret a demo or something. Just seems like a waste of talent. JP said they were gonna find a monster drummer. If the guy isnt gonna really be involved creatively, then just get a session guy and wait for MP.
Plus, Lang, Mangini, and Marco are all really talented dudes. Unless DT said "we want you to just play drums and we will call you when we are ready for you to record them" then that doesnt really seem like "joining" DT. It seems more like a session job with a tour to follow. Kinda sterile IMO. Doesnt seem like a very band oriented gig to me.
I dont expect DT to give the guy veto power or an even split of the dough, but it would be a waste for the new guy to be held in check creatively. IMO
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https://www.smnnews.com/2011/01/04/psyaxis-confirm-dream-theaters-marco-minnemann-as-drummer/
not official but is this supposition or knowledge?
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Well, Stoneyman, according to Northfield and Rudess, Myung really has contributed almost nothing in recent years. I don't think its just because of the lyric rule.
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https://www.smnnews.com/2011/01/04/psyaxis-confirm-dream-theaters-marco-minnemann-as-drummer/
not official but is this supposition or knowledge?
quote from the band minnemann is recording with:
"Im not too sure where DT came into play on this article. I dont want there to be a misunderstanding. Minnemann is coming down to play drums on our album, but it has nothing to do with DT. Id love to see him play with them, but I dont think he is their new drummer"
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But it seems that since DT came up with "the rule" in terms of how their songs get written, that Myung has taken a back seat.
There is no rule about how their songs are written. There was a rule about how lyrics are written.
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But it seems that since DT came up with "the rule" in terms of how their songs get written, that Myung has taken a back seat.
There is no rule about how their songs are written. There was a rule about how lyrics are written.
Okay, thanks for the clarification on the rule on lyrics. Does JM get writing credits for riffs and other musical parts he writes? I assumed JP brought in the riffs and then he or MP would pen the lyrics, and get the writing credits.
Myung aside, I still dont think DT will waste the new guys talent by making him simply just record drums.
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And how is that wasting his talent?
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i'm baffled at how people think that just because JM doubles a lot of JPs parts, that JM didn't write some of said parts to begin with. the bassist in my band writes a LOT of riffs that end up being doubled by the guitar...
a great example of a JM riff that JP is doubling is in Strange Deja Vu at 2:39. DT said as much on the LSFAM dvd...
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Well yeah, but I think we're talking about after Octavarium, where he hasn't contributed much musically, and I think I remember someone quoting Lifting Shadows that JR wrote most of the bass parts now.
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i could've sworn i heard he wrote the main riff of forsaken, which is pure :hefdaddy
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And how is that wasting his talent?
Wasting in the sense that a session guy could come in and simply play. If DT is looking for a new "member" than I would assume that they would like to bring in a guy who they felt could contribute in other ways (writing/composing) than just simply playing. Why hand pick 7 guys to meet and audition if they are just gonna stop by and record drums???
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I haven't read Lifting Shadows yet, but I don't remember ever hearing anything about JR writing bass parts, apart from one MP tweet during the recording of Raw Dog that was totally misunderstood by the people who like to do that sort of thing.
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I have very selective memory when it comes to reading, but from what I remember of the 1st Edition of Lifting Shadows, on SC,
1) The main songwriters were JP, JR and MP
2) JM spent much more time learning very difficult bass parts (what JP and MP wanted him to learn) than being a major contributor to songwriting
Based on what I have read, I agree with ReaP it's kind of baffling how anyone can say that Myung doesn't contribute almost nothing.
Or, maybe it's more accurate to say he contributes almost nothing compared to JP, JR and MP. Much less, at least.
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TOX, I think you remember correctly.
The bigger one than that was Rudess saying that since Octavarium, almost all the music was written by him, JP, and MP.
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jesus.... still no announcement huh?
Starting to lose patience, but I just hope the band isn't running into problems.
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No, it was announced a few pages back. You must have missed it. I would go back and read the thread again.
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No, it was announced a few pages back. You must have missed it. I would go back and read the thread again.
I love you.
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(https://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l547/unklejman/mario_drummer.gif)
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:tup
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Yes.
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(https://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l547/unklejman/mario_drummer.gif)
:heart
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(https://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l547/unklejman/mario_drummer.gif)
That's great. :lol
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Hmmmmm.... about this "song rule" that the band had..... I think some of you are confused. The "rule" was that, if someone brought in lyrics, it had to be structured and it had to have a melody. That's not just the lyrics. That's the song. Everything else is just added parts and/ or arrangement of the song.
So, the point: I can see why people say that Myung took a backseat in the writing process. That's not a dig on him at all. Portnoy even said that Myung chose to do so. I remember reading an interview where Portnoy said just that. So, what's the argument here?
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I figured it out!
Dream Theater's new drummer is a super advanced Japanese Robot named "Mi-Kuh 2.0." The reason they haven't announced is because they're still fine tuning several of the robots many double jointed arms and adjusting the speed settings to keep its feet in sync during blast beats.
I'm very psychic about these things, this cannot be disputed.
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Hmmmmm.... about this "song rule" that the band had..... I think some of you are confused. The "rule" was that, if someone brought in lyrics, it had to be structured and it had to have a melody. That's not just the lyrics. That's the song. Everything else is just added parts and/ or arrangement of the song.
So, the point: I can see why people say that Myung took a backseat in the writing process. That's not a dig on him at all. Portnoy even said that Myung chose to do so. I remember reading an interview where Portnoy said just that. So, what's the argument here?
let's say like this:
if JMX puts a pen of lyrics in DT11, then it did just MP covered JMX from his creativity.
but, if DT11 is just another SC and BCSL, well i mean in the term of JMX's contribution, let's say MP was right to implement that lyrics rule. in other words, JMX has lost his eagerness to put his name as the lyricist in DT.
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Hmmmmm.... about this "song rule" that the band had..... I think some of you are confused. The "rule" was that, if someone brought in lyrics, it had to be structured and it had to have a melody. That's not just the lyrics. That's the song. Everything else is just added parts and/ or arrangement of the song.
Uh, no it isn't. A vocal line is not a song, especially in DT's case, where the music is generally speaking written first anyway.
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Hmmmmm.... about this "song rule" that the band had..... I think some of you are confused. The "rule" was that, if someone brought in lyrics, it had to be structured and it had to have a melody. That's not just the lyrics. That's the song. Everything else is just added parts and/ or arrangement of the song.
Uh, no it isn't. A vocal line is not a song, especially in DT's case, where the music is generally speaking written first anyway.
The lyrics had to have a melody to be considered. When JM gave them his contributions they had to re-write/re-arrange some parts, since he gave it to them in basically poetry free form. But now MP is gone, it would be nice to see him contribute and give the lyrics to JLB and say "Here, come up with a melody and do anything you think need be."
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Hmmmmm.... about this "song rule" that the band had..... I think some of you are confused. The "rule" was that, if someone brought in lyrics, it had to be structured and it had to have a melody. That's not just the lyrics. That's the song. Everything else is just added parts and/ or arrangement of the song.
Uh, no it isn't. A vocal line is not a song, especially in DT's case, where the music is generally speaking written first anyway.
The lyrics had to have a melody to be considered. When JM gave them his contributions they had to re-write/re-arrange some parts, since he gave it to them in basically poetry free form. But now MP is gone, it would be nice to see him contribute and give the lyrics to JLB and say "Here, come up with a melody and do anything you think need be."
I've always thought the problem was that he would present unfinished lyrics, fragments and such and the band would have to take all that and form a coherent lyric from start to finish. Don't have any quote or proof at hand though.
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I've always thought the problem was that he would present unfinished lyrics, fragments and such and the band would have to take all that and form a coherent lyric from start to finish.
I don't see that as being a problem; rather, it's an important part of the creative process!
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Hmmmmm.... about this "song rule" that the band had..... I think some of you are confused. The "rule" was that, if someone brought in lyrics, it had to be structured and it had to have a melody. That's not just the lyrics. That's the song. Everything else is just added parts and/ or arrangement of the song.
Uh, no it isn't. A vocal line is not a song, especially in DT's case, where the music is generally speaking written first anyway.
The lyrics had to have a melody to be considered. When JM gave them his contributions they had to re-write/re-arrange some parts, since he gave it to them in basically poetry free form. But now MP is gone, it would be nice to see him contribute and give the lyrics to JLB and say "Here, come up with a melody and do anything you think need be."
but does the Lyric Rules only applied when Mike is on the band?
sure mike was the one who said about this rule and now he's gone but idk maybe JP also agreed with this rules?
don't get me wrong, i want JMX to contribute lyrics again.
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don't get me wrong, i want JMX to contribute lyrics again.
I'm sure that many of us do.
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The rule was implemented because lyrics were often submitted in a very raw format. Very poetic, but not fitting in the song. So then Mike and/or JP had to rework the lyrics and add the melodies to them. So that's just a lot of work for them to do. I guess they just were tired of doing this work and then see the work credited to the original raw lyrics author.
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I guess they just were tired of doing this work and then see the work credited to the original raw lyrics author.
Valid, but why not just list co-authors? They've done that plenty of times.
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I can understand the reason for the rule; poetry and lyrics are two very different things.
But ages ago, way before MP said anything about leaving, JM expressed an interest in contributing again, so perhaps he is willing to put the effort in and create lyrics from his poetry, rather than getting others to do it. I hope so anyway, he comes up with some great stuff!
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The rule was implemented because lyrics were often submitted in a very raw format. Very poetic, but not fitting in the song. So then Mike and/or JP had to rework the lyrics and add the melodies to them. So that's just a lot of work for them to do. I guess they just were tired of doing this work and then see the work credited to the original raw lyrics author.
That's still a lot less work than writing the lyrics and vocal melodies from scratch - even without melodies, JM writing the lyrics gives them another song that they don't have to write all on their own. So it's a timesaver either way.
My guess is that they didn't feel particularly comfortable editing JM's lyrics. To take all this wonderful imagery and stomp down on it until it fits in the box. Like if your friend had done a fantastic painting and it was your job to rip all the edges off. I figure it's more a creative and personal choice than a time-saving choice.
Keep in mind also that, by not writing melodies, Myung was being quite lazy in comparison to the others. Everybody else manages it. Myung's always portrayed as the victim in this scenario - because everyone likes his lyrics and it precludes us from getting them - but in fairness, the rule does stem from Myung doing less work than everyone else.
This doesn't have much to do with the new drummer, though.
I can understand the reason for the rule; poetry and lyrics are two very different things.
But ages ago, way before MP said anything about leaving, JM expressed an interest in contributing again, so perhaps he is willing to put the effort in and create lyrics from his poetry, rather than getting others to do it. I hope so anyway, he comes up with some great stuff!
This, too. Word for word.
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Correct on all counts. (especially the last one)
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Do we know if JM actually wrote something even without melody??
maybe he didn't even wrote anything.
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maybe he didn't even wrote anything.
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:justjen
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So the status after several months of speculating is ( as far as I know):
NOTHING!!!!!
Virgil Donati has apperently said that he didn't get the gig but auditioned ( at least someone claims he said this on his forum)
Marco Minneman has scheduled recording and touring with other bands
Mike Mangini has scheduled recording with other bands and what else
Peter Wildoer is writing for the next Darkane record
Aquilles Priester has scheduled events with Hangar and clinics
Charlie Zeleny has said he didn't audition
The only one who has nothing official scheduled as far as I have seen is Thomas Lang...........
And of course it can be someone else.
Am I the only one who thinks DT's communication with the fans has been a lot poorer after MP quit, maybe it is rocket sience after all!!!!!
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Am I the only one who thinks DT's communication with the fans has been a lot poorer after MP quit, maybe it is rocket sience after all!!!!!
No it's not. They have said several times what the reasons are for their not announcing it yet. Calm down, have some dip.
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Am I the only one who thinks DT's communication with the fans has been a lot poorer after MP quit, maybe it is rocket sience after all!!!!!
No it's not. They have said several times what the reasons are for their not announcing it yet. Calm down, have some dip.
I am calm, I just find it peculiar why the don't announce it before people get bored.
I just find it interesting that MP comunicated so close with the fans and after he left the other guys promised to do the same. All I see is messages from them about new equipment they endorse and rock on messages. And I am absolutly no MP fanboy, I think they will make better music without him. PR and communications is something I don't think they handle as well as they thought they could.
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Am I the only one who thinks DT's communication with the fans has been a lot poorer after MP quit, maybe it is rocket sience after all!!!!!
No it's not. They have said several times what the reasons are for their not announcing it yet. Calm down, have some dip.
I am calm, I just find it peculiar why the don't announce it before people get bored.
I just find it interesting that MP comunicated so close with the fans and after he left the other guys promised to do the same. All I see is messages from them about new equipment they endorse and rock on messages. And I am absolutly no MP fanboy, I think they will make better music without him. PR and communications is something I don't think they handle as well as they thought they could.
It's a little early to judge, let's see how it plays out throughout the year.
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Am I the only one who thinks DT's communication with the fans has been a lot poorer after MP quit, maybe it is rocket sience after all!!!!!
No it's not. They have said several times what the reasons are for their not announcing it yet. Calm down, have some dip.
I am calm, I just find it peculiar why the don't announce it before people get bored.
I just find it interesting that MP comunicated so close with the fans and after he left the other guys promised to do the same. All I see is messages from them about new equipment they endorse and rock on messages. And I am absolutly no MP fanboy, I think they will make better music without him. PR and communications is something I don't think they handle as well as they thought they could.
Part of good PR is communicating things that need to be communicated when they need to be communicated. If there is nothing that can be said, there is no reason for the band to say anything. If you're bored, frankly, that's your problem, not the band's.
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rocket sience
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I liked the Sam avatar better, unkle.
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Oh you mean Stan the previously owned vessel salesman?
Let me see if I can dig it up.
EDIT: Well it keeps telling me it's too large. Hmm. If only avatars could be a remotely linked file.
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Oh you mean Stan the previously owned vessel salesman?
Let me see if I can dig it up.
EDIT: Well it keeps telling me it's too large. Hmm. If only avatars could be a remotely linked file.
God, Stan is annoying. And yet so classic.
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It does kind of look like it might be Lang. :metal
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Google Lang moonrock, tune has been growing on me over last few weeks. Its on you tube with electric and reg. He is a stud. Hope its him.
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lol Lang is so good and controlled its sickening. Guy is awesome.
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Google Lang moonrock, tune has been growing on me over last few weeks. Its on you tube with electric and reg. He is a stud. Hope its him.
Not really impressed...
Any parts in particular that you were impressed by?
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Google Lang moonrock, tune has been growing on me over last few weeks. Its on you tube with electric and reg. He is a stud. Hope its him.
Not really impressed...
Any parts in particular that you were impressed by?
I think he just meant he likes that song. The drumming isn't super impressive on it. But Lang is still insane.
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Gee, I thought you guys were being hard on Blabbermouth but now they report that CONTRARY TO RUMORS Minnemann is not the drummer. They left out the part where the "rumors" were spread by them based on nothing more than the speculation of (what I believe to be) internet forums like this one.
And in the latest report they still don't cite any source, so why would I believe them this time around? I don't think I'll believe anything until I hear it out of Myung's mouth, because he seems to be the least likely to get caught up in the hype.
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Gee, I thought you guys were being hard on Blabbermouth but now they report that CONTRARY TO RUMORS Minnemann is not the drummer. They left out the part where the "rumors" were spread by them based on nothing more than the speculation of (what I believe to be) internet forums like this one.
And in the latest report they still don't cite any source, so why would I believe them this time around? I don't think I'll believe anything until I hear it out of Myung's mouth, because he seems to be the least likely to get caught up in the hype.
None of the DT guys are caught in the hype, so you can trust either JP, JR, JLB or JM.
B.Lee
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thomaslangdrum
off to NAMM!
Seems Lang will be at NAMM as well. We know Rudess is gonna be there as well and maybe Petrucci will go too? They could announce it there, and MP (who will be at NAMM as well) will go and congratulate them on their fine choice!
</speculation>
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i think it will be leonardo dicaprio
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thomaslangdrum
off to NAMM!
Seems Lang will be at NAMM as well. We know Rudess is gonna be there as well and maybe Petrucci will go too? They could announce it there, and MP (who will be at NAMM as well) will go and congratulate them on their fine choice!
</speculation>
NAMM is about new musical technology, new instruments and their presentation, not the business of bands. It's very, very unlikely that the announcement will be made there.
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And in the latest report they still don't cite any source, so why would I believe them this time around? I don't think I'll believe anything until I hear it out of Myung's mouth, because he seems to be the least likely to get caught up in the hype.
Blabbermouth IS Roadrunner Records. So I mean, they already know who the drummer is. They're just playing with us.
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It's already been said multiple times in this thread, but Blabbermouth has nothing to do with RR beyond being hosted on their servers. There's a disclosure on the site that says that.
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I've just heard the new drummer is Animal from the Muppets. So cool. :metal
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Nope i heard its the new app Morph Skins
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Nope i heard its the new app Morph Skins
Actually your all wrong. It is Marina from the Fresh Beat Band
https://www.nickjr.com/the-fresh-beat-band/about-the-fresh-beat-band/the-fresh-beat-band-characters_ap.html
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Nope i heard its the new app Morph Skins
Actually your all wrong. It is Marina from the Fresh Beat Band
https://www.nickjr.com/the-fresh-beat-band/about-the-fresh-beat-band/the-fresh-beat-band-characters_ap.html
Ok tell me you have kids cuz, were the hell you find that lol!!
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Nope i heard its the new app Morph Skins
Actually your all wrong. It is Marina from the Fresh Beat Band
https://www.nickjr.com/the-fresh-beat-band/about-the-fresh-beat-band/the-fresh-beat-band-characters_ap.html
Ok tell me you have kids cuz, were the hell you find that lol!!
lol..Its my favorite show in the whole wide world!
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Nope i heard its the new app Morph Skins
Actually your all wrong. It is Marina from the Fresh Beat Band
https://www.nickjr.com/the-fresh-beat-band/about-the-fresh-beat-band/the-fresh-beat-band-characters_ap.html
Ok tell me you have kids cuz, were the hell you find that lol!!
My 2 year old loves that show, but, be warned, the songs will get stuck in your head. They do indeed drop some fresh beats.
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Not sure if someone posted this and I know it is Blabbermouth.
MARCO MINNEMANN Is Not DREAM THEATER's New Drummer - Jan. 13, 2011
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=152336
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Haven't read that one.
Kind of a bummer if it is true. I was getting my hopes up for him. His lovely accent should be on a documentary/commentary on a DT DVD
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Not sure if someone posted this and I know it is Blabbermouth.
MARCO MINNEMANN Is Not DREAM THEATER's New Drummer - Jan. 13, 2011
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=152336
Yes, we knew this, so many is off the list...
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Can we just get people to stop posting Blabbermouth articles until the new drummer is announced through an official source?
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Can we just get people to stop posting Blabbermouth articles until the new drummer is announced through an official source?
agree 100%
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Can we just get people to stop posting Blabbermouth articles until the new drummer is announced through an official source?
agree 100%
Disagree 100%. The forum is about Dream Theater and this thread specifically about their new drummer. I think it is wise to discuss what is going on with this whole situation, regardless where it is coming from.
I posted that FYI and possible discussion.
So stop being the forum police.
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I think his point is simply that it is annoying and pointless to get information to have so much misinformation from noncredible sources thrown into the mix because it actually derails the discussion.
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Or makes it more fun.
Honestly I don't know why people in the comment section of that article are saying Lars Ulrich. Are they serious? Really?
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Or makes it more fun.
Honestly I don't know why people in the comment section of that article are saying Lars Ulrich. Are they serious? Really?
He could never keep up LOL
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I think his point is simply that it is annoying and pointless to get information to have so much misinformation from noncredible sources thrown into the mix because it actually derails the discussion.
I agree, but there has not been any credible sources yet. It has been all speculative to this point.
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Or makes it more fun.
Honestly I don't know why people in the comment section of that article are saying Lars Ulrich. Are they serious? Really?
He could never keep up LOL
lol. I saw that too.
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I am starting to believe its either Thomas Lang or no-one on that list.
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my real vote isn't actually in the poll
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my real vote isn't actually in the poll
Yeah mine too. I voted "other".
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Ya know i was thinking that it has been taking to long for any real info on this but it just came to me that its not like someone can just sit in like they have been studying DT's music all along and they just hit it off right away , I am thinking they were given some time to learn various songs to see if the new drummer's style will click with them or not . not so much if they could pull off the tunes or not .
I was thinking this being a drummer myself and thinking it has to be allot tougher to figure out on both sides if the new guy is right and has the feel the band wants for DT's sound not so much having the chops.
Anyway must be tuff and as we can all tell there not just looking for someone who can just go threw the motions
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All that is probably true to a degree, but it has little to do with why the information hasn't been revealed. It was announced that they had made their definite decision some time ago, and that they just can't announce it yet because they are working through some legal issues. That's really all there is to it.
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Is Lang the only one who has not been mentioning he has other projects going on? I know Marco and Mangini both have various other things. I'd say that most likely rules them out just because they need to start learning the DT discography. How are they going to be learning the back catalog if they are so busy with other stuff?
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All that is probably true to a degree, but it has little to do with why the information hasn't been revealed. It was announced that they had made their definite decision some time ago, and that they just can't announce it yet because they are working through some legal issues. That's really all there is to it.
This is true but maybe the legal issue involves a final a final decision made after time spent so they have to wait till then lol i don't know i cant take it anymore lol JK
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thomaslangdrum
off to NAMM!
Seems Lang will be at NAMM as well. We know Rudess is gonna be there as well and maybe Petrucci will go too? They could announce it there, and MP (who will be at NAMM as well) will go and congratulate them on their fine choice!
</speculation>
NAMM is about new musical technology, new instruments and their presentation, not the business of bands. It's very, very unlikely that the announcement will be made there.
Especially with MP there. :biggrin:
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Is Lang the only one who has not been mentioning he has other projects going on? I know Marco and Mangini both have various other things. I'd say that most likely rules them out just because they need to start learning the DT discography. How are they going to be learning the back catalog if they are so busy with other stuff?
I mean... They don't have to know anything now, do they? Their first show isn't until July, right?
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Yeah you're right, I just figured it'd take a pretty long time to get the songs down.
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Conclusions so far....(Options)
- DT has no drummer and they are trying to hide this info....
- DT lost their candidate during negotiations
- Still negotiating.....?????
- They have a totally unexpected or non-popular drummer
- Thomas Lang????
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Conclusions so far....(Options)
- DT has no drummer and they are trying to hide this info....
- DT lost their candidate during negotiations
- Still negotiating.....?????
- They have a totally unexpected or non-popular drummer
- Thomas Lang????
Lol I'd say this does sum it up quite nicely.
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Conclusions so far....(Options)
- DT has no drummer and they are trying to hide this info....
- DT lost their candidate during negotiations
- Still negotiating.....?????
- They have a totally unexpected or non-popular drummer
- Thomas Lang????
Except no to all of these except the possibility that its Thomas Lang.
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I love how we have phases here.
1st phase: Mike Portnoy is coming back!
What actually happened: The band declined his offer to come back because they had already chosen the new one.
2nd phase: Mike Mangini will be the drummer!
What really happened: He's going to play with another band and has recorded his "best drumming" with this other band.
3rd phase: Marco Minnemann will be the new drummer!
What happened: Blabbermouth confirmed, though not exactly, the news based on no source. Then we get the news that Minnemann will play the drums with some other guys that some of us have never heard before. DTFans lose the idea that Marco will be the new drummer, though they hold to a small miracle.
4th phase: Thomas Lang will be the new drummer!
What is going on: So... he hasn't been discussed in a while, and some of the sources of the friend of a friend who's neighbour with Newman -the mail-man- have not ruled Lang out. Automatically he becomes the most likely drummer to join DT. So congratulations to Lang... for now.
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I wonder how many pages this thread will actually get to before we know who the drummer is :-\
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I wonder how many pages this thread will actually get to before we know who the drummer is :-\
Its like knowing how many licks it takes before you get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop.
I guess we have to ask the owl... ;)
Tin
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I just changed my vote to "other" because Aquiles Priester wasn't in the list. . .
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I guess we have to ask the owl... ;)
Tin
I asked him, and he said "Dream who?"
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I love how we have phases here.
1st phase: Mike Portnoy is coming back!
What actually happened: The band declined his offer to come back because they had already chosen the new one.
2nd phase: Mike Mangini will be the drummer!
What really happened: He's going to play with another band and has recorded his "best drumming" with this other band.
3rd phase: Marco Minnemann will be the new drummer!
What happened: Blabbermouth confirmed, though not exactly, the news based on no source. Then we get the news that Minnemann will play the drums with some other guys that some of us have never heard before. DTFans lose the idea that Marco will be the new drummer, though they hold to a small miracle.
4th phase: Thomas Lang will be the new drummer!
What is going on: So... he hasn't been discussed in a while, and some of the sources of the friend of a friend who's neighbour with Newman -the mail-man- have not ruled Lang out. Automatically he becomes the most likely drummer to join DT. So congratulations to Lang... for now.
You forgot the "it's looking like Charlie Z" phase. Right after he made that misleading post on fb, and posted the YouTube audition songs. We'll call it the .5 phase.
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I'll call it the allegedly phase.
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I'm too wondering whether something went wrong in the process. And they're probably in the studio because they had rented the space a long time ago.
rumborak
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I'm too wondering whether something went wrong in the process. And they're probably in the studio because they had rented the space a long time ago.
rumborak
Indeed, clearly this is the end of DT!
It truly is a sad day for Dream Theater and fans. Surely we will all cry ourselves to sleep due to how sad the end is.
A band with such a long history, such potential... such... energy! Powah!
:'(
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I'm too wondering whether something went wrong in the process. And they're probably in the studio because they had rented the space a long time ago.
rumborak
Indeed, clearly this is the end of DT!
It truly is a sad day for Dream Theater and fans. Surely we will all cry ourselves to sleep due to how sad the end is.
A band with such a long history, such potential... such... energy! Powah!
:'(
wat
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I'm too wondering whether something went wrong in the process. And they're probably in the studio because they had rented the space a long time ago.
rumborak
Indeed, clearly this is the end of DT!
It truly is a sad day for Dream Theater and fans. Surely we will all cry ourselves to sleep due to how sad the end is.
A band with such a long history, such potential... such... energy! Powah!
:'(
wat
Isn't that the next phase? ;D
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It's amazing how the votes have changed over the months. First, Lang and Kevin Moore had the lead, and Charlie Z had a brief moment at the top too. When Mangini was suspected, he rose up, and now Minnemann is the one who's leading. Who's next, Aquiles Priester?
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Who's next, Aquiles Priester?
Banned.
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Right now, I don't think there's a problem with the new drummer.
I think the main problem right now is legalities with MP - royalties, if he is going to be bought out, if he wants the guys to use Dream Theater as a name, Official bootlegs (keep in mind, the Official Boots are a big part of DT's income and MP has all of the DT recordings). Again, I'm only speculating but MP could even sue for the band's name because he (his father) came up with the name.
Even if the band "left MP with the doors open" to "come back", there's a whole bunch of money that's going to be made when DT releases the album, tours, sells merch, and the new batch of official bootlegs come out (especially the last 3) so this has to be sorted out in a way that neither DT (band) or MP get screwed. Each party will argue what's (how much) corresponds to what and negotiate.
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Can't believe that they have been rehearsing with this guy for months and we have not a single clue about his identity...no one...not even the pizza guy, mailman, paperboy, lawyer assistant, family, family, friends, enemies or MP has given a single piece of information....
Not even Wikileaks!
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Do you guys really think MP would be a person that would sue DT? I honestly don't think MP would even think about suing DT...
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I like to think the one guy who voted for Ted Kirkpatrick is still holding out hope.
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I have it on good authority that the new drummer is none other than Bill Brasky.
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Do you guys really think MP would be a person that would sue DT? I honestly don't think MP would even think about suing DT...
All it takes is a souring of the relationships, and what used to be "inseparable buddies" become plaintiff and defendant.
rumborak
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Do you guys really think MP would be a person that would sue DT? I honestly don't think MP would even think about suing DT...
All it takes is a souring of the relationships, and what used to be "inseparable buddies" become plaintiff and defendant.
rumborak
I wouldn't be surprised if MP sued for the name and maybe he will use the threat to get more leverage on negotiations. This was MP's main source of income so he's gotta get the most out of it while he still can.
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Holy crap guys, they are waiting for the go-ahead from RR. What's with the baseless speculation?
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Holy crap guys, they are waiting for the go-ahead from RR. What's with the baseless speculation?
I know a guy, who knows a guy, who once needed a lawyer for something. And he said MP is suing them for the rights to all of the drum parts, so that the new guy couldn't play any beat/fill/time signature that MP did. He's also suing them for balls and something else, forgot what.
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Holy crap guys, they are waiting for the go-ahead from RR. What's with the baseless speculation?
This. If MP was suing, or was subpoenaing them, he would have said something about it online, or the DT guys would have, or it would become a matter of public record that everyone could know about!
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Then why the hell is RR taking so long? They know it's just hurting them.
Or at least they should.
Taking months and months to find the guy is one thing. But announcing that they picked someone, and then just never telling us was a terrible idea.
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If Mike is the cause of any hold up he should be ashamed. He left the band after their last tour, pretty much overnight to join Avenged on their tour. He then told DT he wanted a break for a while lol. Like a year or so. So did he just expect James, John, John and Jordan to say "alright we will just hang out and spend some time with the family, maybe take a nice long vacation and start making money again when and if you deem its right to come back and start rehearsing Mike" Negative.
He left, he wasnt booted, the band wanted him. So they had to get a new drummer to replace Mike. Done.
I can not see how Mike could come back after all that and try and sue or legally mess with the band. No way it works that way.
It would be like me leaving my UBS for a better banking job elsewhere, then it not working out and losing my new job. Then turning around and suing UBS for compensation. Even if I was the initial owner(s) of that company, I dont see how that would fly. You leave your done period. Bye Mike. It was your self absorbed decision and not DTs. Now get drummin elsewhere.
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I don't think Mike is actually suing them, but no it wouldn't be like quitting your job and then suing them.
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The album is already recorded... They recorded a back up album during the SC and BC&SL sessions... They havent found a new drummer yet...
what the hell am I talking about?
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I like to think the one guy who voted for Ted Kirkpatrick is still holding out hope.
I love Ted Kirkpatrick (and Tourniquet), but I didn't vote for him because this thread was supposed to be about who we really thought would get the job. I would have been shocked for TK to even get an audition, much less the actual job. Don't really know how he even got in the poll. On a related note, he just finished a Kickstarter campaign for a new Tourniquet album.
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Not even Wikileaks!
;D
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Well it's been a great ride, attracting a lot of attention to the band and accumulating much interest in the music world. I'm now starting to think that the drummer won't be revealed until somewhere between the finishing of recording and the release of the album, as to maximize interest in the band and ultimately increase sales (From RRs perspective at least). I think having two things to look forward too, the drummer and the album, is more exciting for fans than just waiting for the inevitable release of the album. Unfortunately for me, this prediction won't keep me from checking this thread everyday for updates... *sigh*
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Yes, it's getting a bit frustrating now. But if even DT themselves aren't able to change their management's mind...
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I wonder if they'll stop playing ACOS anymore.
I hope not, it's the one song I want to see them play that I haven't yet.
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I think the main problem right now is legalities with MP - royalties, if he is going to be bought out, if he wants the guys to use Dream Theater as a name, Official bootlegs (keep in mind, the Official Boots are a big part of DT's income and MP has all of the DT recordings). Again, I'm only speculating but MP could even sue for the band's name because he (his father) came up with the name.
Even if the band "left MP with the doors open" to "come back", there's a whole bunch of money that's going to be made when DT releases the album, tours, sells merch, and the new batch of official bootlegs come out (especially the last 3) so this has to be sorted out in a way that neither DT (band) or MP get screwed. Each party will argue what's (how much) corresponds to what and negotiate.
This particular kind of speculation isn't helpful, unless there is some kind of evidence for it - which there isn't.
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I really curious as to where this idea that Mike's trying to inhibit DT via a lawsuit originated from. Do I think the relationship between Mike and Dream Theater is in a good place now? Not at all. But we've seen nothing at all which suggest this 'lawsuit' scenario.
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Well it's been a great ride, attracting a lot of attention to the band and accumulating much interest in the music world. I'm now starting to think that the drummer won't be revealed until somewhere between the finishing of recording and the release of the album, as to maximize interest in the band and ultimately increase sales (From RRs perspective at least). I think having two things to look forward too, the drummer and the album, is more exciting for fans than just waiting for the inevitable release of the album. Unfortunately for me, this prediction won't keep me from checking this thread everyday for updates... *sigh*
Well, I was excited a few weeks ago but that's turned to annoyance now. I just want to know who it is so I can get on with my life. And yes, it shouldn't be that big a deal for me but it is. I have an unhealthy love for this band and it's music which obviously borders on obsession and it appears that I'm not alone in that, certainly not around these parts.
So JP, if you're reading this, just tell me who it is. I promise I won't tell anyone.
And as a seperate note, I was wondering if TL was growing his hair (as if that would be an indicaor of his getting the job) but it appears not.
https://yfrog.com/gz96wfhj
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I just don't care anymore. All I care about is that they have a guy they are happy with an we get a new album mid/late this year. I don't care who it is. I really could wait until the day of the albums release, it really doesn't matter.
Even if we knew now, what difference would it make, we still get to hear the album the same time when it's completed and released.
Look, it's DT, four talented guys, we shouldn't worry who the drummer is, I'm sure they picked someone worthwhile.
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its actually Chris Maitland, because no one picked him and they wanted it to be a big surprise :D
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Well, I was excited a few weeks ago but that's turned to annoyance now. I just want to know who it is so I can get on with my life. And yes, it shouldn't be that big a deal for me but it is. I have an unhealthy love for this band and it's music which obviously borders on obsession and it appears that I'm not alone in that, certainly not around these parts.
So JP, if you're reading this, just tell me who it is. I promise I won't tell anyone.
And as a seperate note, I was wondering if TL was growing his hair (as if that would be an indicaor of his getting the job) but it appears not.
https://yfrog.com/gz96wfhj
I still don't get all the Thomas Lang speculation. We have no indication whatsoever that he even auditioned. And yet every time we hear something like, for example, one of the other contenders might be busy with something that's not DT next spring there's a handful of people making statements like "whelp yup i guess that means lang got the job :metal :metal :metal"
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I still don't get all the Thomas Lang speculation. We have no indication whatsoever that he even auditioned.
I know one of his students personally, who told me straight from the horse's mouth that he auditioned.
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Thomas Lang is the shit.
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I'm hoping that the Explorations concert will bring some news. At first I figured "why would it?" But then I realized that James doesn't just fly down from Canada for anything. Sure I guess Dream Theater will all be in the studio by that point so James is probably here anyway but we'll see.
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Thomas Lang is the shit.
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meh
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Though I don't think Lang is the drummer Dream Theater should get now, and I don't particularly like him, he would at least be a million times better than Mangini.
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Yea I haven't enjoyed Lang's or Mangini's stuff at all. I was also very turned off by Minnemann's performance alongside Rudess.
On the other hand, Macaluso seems to play some cool things, but my favorite candidate so far has been Priester (check out PsychOctopus). Still, I'm hoping that the new DT drummer will be someone we haven't talked much about...
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I for one don't like Priester, at least not from what I've seen. Total wall of sound, his playing. I would love a drummer in DT who could bring in some dynamics, because that's what prog thrives on.
rumborak
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I for one don't like Priester, at least not from what I've seen. Total wall of sound, his playing. I would love a drummer in DT who could bring in some dynamics, because that's what prog thrives on.
rumborak
I must say that he is the only name that I've seen mentioned that, if it turned out to be him, I would be a little worried.
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While I agree that most of Priester's work wouldn't go well with DT, that one video that I keep mentioning shows me that he's capable of playing "the right way". I dunno, his playing on PsychOctopus just feels very fresh and original, and that's certainly tough for a drummer to encapsulate these days.
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Charlie Z. Although I was stunned when I read that he did the Blotted Science album, I still think he totally shouldn't be the one.
As for all the others, I don't care anymore.
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By the way... from all the pics that Thomas has posted from NAMM, that story about his fractured foot seems to be a lot of bs, unless of course he has Wolverine's healing factor!
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By the way... from all the pics that Thomas has posted from NAMM, that story about his fractured foot seems to be a lot of bs, unless of course he has Wolverine's healing factor!
It wouldn't surprise me if he did.
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Maybe they don't know what a drummer is.They want him for a posession, something to look at like a painting or an ivory box. Something to own and display. They don't want him to be real, or to think, or to live.They don't love him. But we love him. We want him to have his own thoughts and ideas and feelings even when we find out who the fuck it is.
This is our last chance.
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I for one don't like Priester, at least not from what I've seen. Total wall of sound, his playing. I would love a drummer in DT who could bring in some dynamics, because that's what prog thrives on.
rumborak
I must say that he is the only name that I've seen mentioned that, if it turned out to be him, I would be a little worried.
You'd be happy with Lars Ulrich? :P
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I for one don't like Priester, at least not from what I've seen. Total wall of sound, his playing. I would love a drummer in DT who could bring in some dynamics, because that's what prog thrives on.
rumborak
I must say that he is the only name that I've seen mentioned that, if it turned out to be him, I would be a little worried.
You'd be happy with Lars Ulrich? :P
The only thing worse than a Brit is a Mexican Brit.
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I for one don't like Priester, at least not from what I've seen. Total wall of sound, his playing. I would love a drummer in DT who could bring in some dynamics, because that's what prog thrives on.
rumborak
I must say that he is the only name that I've seen mentioned that, if it turned out to be him, I would be a little worried.
You'd be happy with Lars Ulrich? :P
The only thing worse than a Brit is a Mexican Brit.
:biggrin:
Hey, at least my avatar doesn't remind people of the abomination that is Batman & Robin.
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I'd like to restate that the drummer is 99% set to be Bill Brasky.
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i would have bet on this guy if he was a candidate...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrd5UeDJB7g&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MEtyVbo1p0
Tin
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Phillips is amazing, but I'm not sure he is a good fit.
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My friend was thinking... maybe the new drummer is the Stig ???
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Right now, I don't think there's a problem with the new drummer.
I think the main problem right now is legalities with MP - royalties, if he is going to be bought out, if he wants the guys to use Dream Theater as a name, Official bootlegs (keep in mind, the Official Boots are a big part of DT's income and MP has all of the DT recordings). Again, I'm only speculating but MP could even sue for the band's name because he (his father) came up with the name.
Even if the band "left MP with the doors open" to "come back", there's a whole bunch of money that's going to be made when DT releases the album, tours, sells merch, and the new batch of official bootlegs come out (especially the last 3) so this has to be sorted out in a way that neither DT (band) or MP get screwed. Each party will argue what's (how much) corresponds to what and negotiate.
In my opinion this is a reasonably accurate depiction of current events. I believe there are intense legal differences between the camps, and while nothing is presently being litigated, intense negotiations and demands are circulating to hopefully arrive at a settlement without the finality of litigation.
It is also my opinion that a "choosing the drummer" video is in production, and to name the drummer now would be a spoiler for the video.
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It is also my opinion that a "choosing the drummer" video is in production, and to name the drummer now would be a spoiler for the video.
I've been thinking/hoping this for a while. My scenario involved an in-studio video in which we get our first glimpse of the new guy. Crossing my fingers that you're right, and that we get it in the next few weeks!
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i would love to see the band jamming one of their old songs and then the camera would point to the new drummer playing along. would be pretty cool
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Maybe they don't know what a drummer is.They want him for a posession, something to look at like a painting or an ivory box. Something to own and display. They don't want him to be real, or to think, or to live.They don't love him. But we love him. We want him to have his own thoughts and ideas and feelings even when we find out who the fuck it is.
This is our last chance.
:rollin
Dude, this cracked me the hell up.
I'm getting more and more in the I don't care boat. I just want the new album so I can inspect whats really important: the music. I don't care who it is, I just want to see the quality of DT's music with this change.
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Maybe they don't know what a drummer is.They want him for a posession, something to look at like a painting or an ivory box. Something to own and display. They don't want him to be real, or to think, or to live.They don't love him. But we love him. We want him to have his own thoughts and ideas and feelings even when we find out who the fuck it is.
This is our last chance.
:rollin
:rollin :rollin :rollin
"Space Hi-Hat"
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I wish the new drummer had been announced already. I don't care anymore... :sad:
Maybe they don't know what a drummer is.They want him for a posession, something to look at like a painting or an ivory box. Something to own and display. They don't want him to be real, or to think, or to live.They don't love him. But we love him. We want him to have his own thoughts and ideas and feelings even when we find out who the fuck it is.
This is our last chance.
:rollin
:rollin :rollin :rollin
"Space Hi-Hat"
:lol :rollin
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My friend was thinking... maybe the new drummer is the Stig ???
Some say he's able to play paradiddles with his feet, and that he can play in the very elusive time signature of 15/63. All we know is, he's called the Stig!
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If Marco was the drummer, would MP be that happy to take a photo with him?
https://twitpic.com/3qik9d
Edit: Hadn't realised MM is that tall!!!
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If Marco was the drummer, would MP be that happy to take a photo with him?
https://twitpic.com/3qik9d
Edit: Hadn't realised MM is that tall!!!
Does MP even know who was chosen?
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I'd like to restate that the drummer is 99% set to be Bill Brasky.
Well you're wrong, and so is everyone else.
It's actually Slater from Saved By The Bell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jJcEtUzA6A
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I'd like to restate that the drummer is 99% set to be Bill Brasky.
Well you're wrong, and so is everyone else.
It's actually Slater from Saved By The Bell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jJcEtUzA6A
All my dreams have now come true.
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Early 90s TV was so classic.
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I'd like to restate that the drummer is 99% set to be Bill Brasky.
Well you're wrong, and so is everyone else.
It's actually Slater from Saved By The Bell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jJcEtUzA6A
This answers a lot of questions I had Rich. :laugh:
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I'd like to restate that the drummer is 99% set to be Bill Brasky.
Well you're wrong, and so is everyone else.
It's actually Slater from Saved By The Bell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jJcEtUzA6A
This is an amazing development. And, in the event that Portnoy successfully sues for the Dream Theater name, the band could fire JLB, hire Mark Paul Gosselaar, and rename themselves the Zack Attack.
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I would like to know why so many people dont like aguiles priester as a drummer? Ive watched alot of videos of all the front runners, as far as what people call front runners,and he is a more than capable drummer. his style is a little heavier but could see him doing well with dt.I really dont have a fav candidate ,but watching his videos he seems to have the most prog like vibe and sounds the most like mp.thats not to say that i want a mp clone ,just that in watching him he reminds me the most of mp out of all the front runners...just my 2 cents :biggrin:
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My friend was thinking... maybe the new drummer is the Stig ???
Lol well they have a new stig now. I don't know if you saw the middle east special you saw him born in Bethlehem ;)
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I would like to know why so many people dont like aguiles priester as a drummer? Ive watched alot of videos of all the front runners, as far as what people call front runners,and he is a more than capable drummer. his style is a little heavier but could see him doing well with dt.I really dont have a fav candidate ,but watching his videos he seems to have the most prog like vibe and sounds the most like mp.thats not to say that i want a mp clone ,just that in watching him he reminds me the most of mp out of all the front runners...just my 2 cents :biggrin:
I'm sure Aquiles could play everything Mike used to play in DT, after all he is a great drummer, however, compared to the other drummers discussed like Lang, Minnemann, Donati and Mangini he is nowhere near their level of skill or creativity. But to me the thing that Aquiles has against him the most is the language barrier. Honestly I don't think he even auditioned.
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If Marco was the drummer, would MP be that happy to take a photo with him?
https://twitpic.com/3qik9d
Edit: Hadn't realised MM is that tall!!!
Funny thing, he didn't take a pic with Lang! (If you are going in that line of speculation)!!!
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If Marco was the drummer, would MP be that happy to take a photo with him?
https://twitpic.com/3qik9d
Edit: Hadn't realised MM is that tall!!!
Funny thing, he didn't take a pic with Lang! (If you are going in that line of speculation)!!!
Judging from the last 2 days twitter posts, TL and MP compete on who's going to upload more photos from the NAMM! Could that be a sign? :lol
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Is there seriously still no news on the new drummer? Didn't they pick him like last month?
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Is there seriously still no news on the new drummer? Didn't they pick him like last month?
I think it was like longer ago than that.
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Then what the hell is taking them so long to announce it? Shit's starting to pissing me off.
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Then what the hell is taking them so long to announce it? Shit's starting to pissing me off.
We've talked about it a lot. A bunch of people think it's legal issues, the rest of us just don't care. Pick your camp.
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Then what the hell is taking them so long to announce it? Shit's starting to pissing me off.
We've talked about it a lot. A bunch of people think it's legal issues, the rest of us just don't care. Pick your camp.
A bunch of people can say whatever they want, the band have said it's because they haven't been given the go ahead by RR. Not sure why it's taking quite so long, but whatever.
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I'm starting to not care at all anymore. I feel bad because I feel as if I should do and I don't want to enter DT11 negative.
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I'm starting to not care at all anymore. I feel bad because I feel as if I should do and I don't want to enter DT11 negative.
I still care, and am quite excited, but I'm also perfectly happy to wait until the band are able/ready to say. I don't why so many people feel they need to either be super excited all the time or completely not care. There is an in between.
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There is an in between.
No there isn't.
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Trust me, there's always an in between...
:eyebrows:
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Trust me, there's always an in between...
:eyebrows:
Like a brown area?
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Trust me, there's always an in between...
:eyebrows:
Like a brown area?
Well this thread is now tainted.
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Someone put Priester in the "Members" section the DT Wikipedia page about a month ago. I deleted it because it had nothing to support its validity.
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I swear everytime talks about priester it annoys me, but here I'll just try to see if I can do the same thing.
Here, Dave Weckl is probably the new drummer. Don't believe me? Well here's a bunch of youtube videos of him playing, that should prove that he is the new drummer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmykCWMPWvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jM6O3IGUl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8XivbFvQ1E&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imhkswwr7iI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdGDcVHcFjo
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Here, Dave Weckl is probably the new drummer.
Weckl rhymes with Jekyll. JLB has a song called "Jekyll Or Hyde." ZOMG NUGGETZ ADAMI IS RITE!!!
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Plus I posted youtube vids, which is so far exactly the same amount of evidence that priester has.
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Plus I posted youtube vids, which is so far exactly the same amount of evidence that priester has.
Also, didn't JP say like "hola" in a tweet or something ridiculous like that? Air-tight case right there.
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Since they've been in the studio for about 2-3 weeks already, I wouldn't be surprised if PC's theory of releasing a song to couple the announcement to be true...(which was actually my theory in the first place... :yeahright)
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Since they've been in the studio for about 2-3 weeks already, I wouldn't be surprised if PC's theory of releasing a song to couple the announcement to be true...(which was actually my theory in the first place... :yeahright)
Maybe they'll do a Metallica and release a full on documentary of Petrucci and Myung yelling at each other for hours while Rudess asks them how they feel about it.
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"Some Kind Of Myungster"
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"Some Kind Of Myungster"
Myungzilla!
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Since they've been in the studio for about 2-3 weeks already, I wouldn't be surprised if PC's theory of releasing a song to couple the announcement to be true...(which was actually my theory in the first place... :yeahright)
Maybe they'll do a Metallica and release a full on documentary of Petrucci and Myung yelling at each other for hours while Rudess asks them how they feel about it.
Is JM physically capable of yelling? I would love it if they released a song with the announcement. I really hope thats what happens.
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A video would be 100 times better. Not a great video, just a guy in the studio with a camera recording them play ANY song.
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Since they've been in the studio for about 2-3 weeks already, I wouldn't be surprised if PC's theory of releasing a song to couple the announcement to be true...(which was actually my theory in the first place... :yeahright)
Maybe they'll do a Metallica and release a full on documentary of Petrucci and Myung yelling at each other for hours while Rudess asks them how they feel about it.
:heart
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Then what the hell is taking them so long to announce it? Shit's starting to pissing me off.
We've talked about it a lot. A bunch of people think it's legal issues, the rest of us just don't care. Pick your camp.
Oh, shit. You won the thread.
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Then what the hell is taking them so long to announce it? Shit's starting to pissing me off.
We've talked about it a lot. A bunch of people think it's legal issues, the rest of us just don't care. Pick your camp.
Oh, shit. You won the thread.
Adami -- "simplifying 61 pages of aimless speculation into three sentences" since 02:31:05 PM
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Okay i have been following this thread over the last month but what (if any) evidence do we have that any of these mentioned drummers is a possiblity. I vote Mangini but other than heresay is there any real evidence of a new drummer? I am getting pretty pissed that one of the four guys hasnt said something yet. There has got to be someone out there that knows! Come forward!
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Plus I posted youtube vids, which is so far exactly the same amount of evidence that priester has.
The only difference is that Dave Weckl in DT, would kick some serious ass!!! Priester not so much.
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Plus I posted youtube vids, which is so far exactly the same amount of evidence that priester has.
The only difference is that Dave Weckl in DT, would kick some serious ass!!! Priester not so much.
You know what?
YOU KNOW WHAT?!?!?
You're right.
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Yeah, he is right.
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So now that I've posted Youtube vids, all I have to do is keep bringing him up.
So, now that we know for a fact that Dave auditioned, proven by the youtube vids that I posted, who else thinks he got the job?
Do you have proof he didn't?
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Haha it's Priester, you can relax now Adami
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Haha it's Priester, you can relax now Adami
..............................huh?
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Whats the hard-on for AP he is an average prog/power metal drummer. I can't belive someone would take him over Minnemann or Lang
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Let's talk about WECKL!
He's an amazing drummer, and because he's talenetd it's obvious that he wil automatically jam well with DT because there are no qualifications outside of being talented.
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Whats the hard-on for AP he is an average prog/power metal drummer. I can't belive someone would take him over Minnemann or Lang
In theory, Minnemann and Lang are better, I just haven't seen it. Please do provide Youtube clips of impressive performances by the two...
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If you haven't seen that Priester is just a good metal drummer while the other two are amazing drummers in many more ways, then you're not going to.
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I can't believe people are this mad that the band isn't telling them the new drummer. Patience. Geez, I've said this before, but try being a Van Halen fan. Nothing ever happens ever, then a rumor sparks up and it never comes to fruition. Patience friends, it's all good.
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If you haven't seen that Priester is just a good metal drummer while the other two are amazing drummers in many more ways, then you're not going to.
True. I would be happy with Minnemann or Lang. Priester, not so much.
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I can't believe people are this mad that the band isn't telling them the new drummer. Patience. Geez, I've said this before, but try being a Van Halen fan. Nothing ever happens ever, then a rumor sparks up and it never comes to fruition. Patience friends, it's all good.
When's the last time that VH said "hey good news, we have something to tell you" and then just never said it.
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About 5 months ago David Lee Roth said expect big things soon. Now the rumor is nothing is happening, in 2000, David Lee Roth recorded about 4 songs with Van Halen that never saw the light of day because they couldn't get there shit together. In 2008 after the David Lee Roth tour plus Wolfgang, Eddie Van Halen and the management said that they were planning on touring in 2009-2010 in europe. Never Happened. In 2005 Sammy Hagar stated Van Halen was working on new material for the first time since 1998. Never Happened. Every year Eddie states different things then dissapears and nothing is ever heard about it again. Lol
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Van Halen also never tells their fans anything. The official site still says Happy New Year for 2010
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Fine VH sucks.
Anyway, I think Sammy Hagar is the new drummer.
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Okay, some people are just really spoiled by the internet. Let me give you guys an example of what it was like back in the "old days," i.e., BEFORE the internet.
After Images & Words came out, DT's "next album" (which no one even knew the title yet) was really anticipated. There were no internet forums like this to even discuss what you hoped (or didn't hope) what it would sound like. You actually had to have friends - in real life! - who were into DT. The best update I ever got about Awake was in a Guitar World magazine around 1993 or so that said something like, "John Petrucci and Dream Theater are in a studio working on the followup to Images & Words."
That was it! No album title, no song list, no soundclips, no videos, no cover art - NOTHING. Just a little paragraph about how they were in the process of recording the album. And, if you didn't get that particular issue of Guitar World, you might not have even known DT was recording their next album, unless another magazine mentioned it or something. The younger generation (the one right after mine) is REALLY spoiled....
So, the point is: Really, shut the hell up. :)
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So, the point is: Really, shut the hell up. :)
Dude, it's not a one-way street. Like it or not, Dream Theater have for the past 10 years+ created that expectation, and keeping the fans constantly updated has only worked to their benefit and sustained popularity. The guys came out almost six months ago now with how they were going to "let us know asap" and fill Mike's shoes, and they haven't done that. Of course people are gonna get antsy and slowly start to lose interest. But again, Dream Theater set the tone.
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But, the thing that people AREN'T UNDERSTANDING is that it's not DT's fault. People are acting like they're being assholes because they refuse to say who the new drummer is or something, but that's just ridiculous. They're under contact from a record company and the record company is the boss for things like this.
We know they have a new album coming out, we know they're going to be touring, WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT WHO THE NEW DRUMMER IS. Big deal if we have to wait even a few more months. Get over it. We had to wait years back in the old days before we even knew there was an album coming out! I remember the band wrote that, "a new album is coming out in 1996" on the Change of Seasons booklet. Did I complain when it didn't come out? No - beacuse, I had no one to complain to! :lol
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No one here is bashing DT as far as I saw. We're just annoyed with the situation. Hell, I think most of us are blaming Roadrunner.
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Well, it doesn't even matter who people are blaming. The constant bitching is annoying. I know I don't have to read the posts and I'm not going to continue to derail the thread, but I just wanted some people to know that this really isn't a long wait. In fact, even if they don't tell us for another three months.... that's a lot shorter than we had to wait before the internet was around. I think the internet has made people really impatient with things like this.
Anyway, I'm done. Sorry for getting pissy.
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You're right, I'll send out a memo to let everyone to stop discussing things.
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So, the point is: Really, shut the hell up. :)
Dude, it's not a one-way street. Like it or not, Mike Portnoy have for the past 10 years+ created that expectation,
FTFY
Sorry to dismantle part of your argument there
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No - beacuse, I had no one to complain to! :lol
And how far you've come. Now you're on the fansite, complaining to the complainers about all the complaining that's going on. :lol
But seriously, weren't fanclubs pretty active back in the day?
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You're right, I'll send out a memo to let everyone to stop discussing things.
I never said people shouldn't discuss things. But, if you haven't noticed a bit of a negative vibe going on because of the lack of news concerning the new drummer, then you're delusional.
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Whoever the new drummer is I don't care. I've never even heard of any of these people.
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You're right, I'll send out a memo to let everyone to stop discussing things.
I never said people shouldn't discuss things. But, if you haven't noticed a bit of a negative vibe going on because of the lack of news concerning the new drummer, then you're delusional.
Of course I have. So what? It's fine. We fans are allowed to not be 100% happy and pleased all of the time.
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Of course I have. So what? It's fine. We fans are allowed to not be 100% happy and pleased all of the time.
Okay.
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Then what the hell is taking them so long to announce it? Shit's starting to pissing me off.
We've talked about it a lot. A bunch of people think it's legal issues, the rest of us just don't care. Pick your camp.
Oh, shit. You won the thread.
Adami -- "simplifying 61 pages of aimless speculation into three sentences" since 02:31:05 PM
Contest_sanity -- "figuring out that you win a thread when you are the 2112th post" since he finished reading this sentence. :p
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Good catch Nicoalsa
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Eminpoop: Raining on my parade since now :(
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It o.k. baby
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I'll whisper hat it's Weckl in your ear as you go to sleep tonight
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I could get on the Wekcl Wagon. If anything, he sounds like a petfect match for JR. Which makes me think that if he actually auditioned, and didn't get a consolation live gig with JR out of it (like Minneman did), then maybe he got the job.
Anyway, Weckl comes across as the most musical of the candidates I've heard to date in my opinion.
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I could get on the Wekcl Wagon. If anything, he sounds like a petfect match for JR. Which makes me think that if he actually auditioned, and didn't get a consolation live gig with JR out of it (like Minneman did), then maybe he got the job.
Anyway, Weckl comes across as the most musical of the candidates I've heard to date in my opinion.
Exactly, I'm pretty sure when Weckl auditioned they focused on some more fusiony james. Imagine DT doing Weckl style fusion stuff, ti would be insane.
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DT doing anything more Fusion-like would be amazing.
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DT doing anything more Fusion-like would be amazing.
Which is why it's good if they pick Dave Weckl.
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Yeah. Would he be able to do the heavier stuff, though?
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Yeah. Would he be able to do the heavier stuff, though?
I don't see why not, he seems very capable. Plus it's usually easier for virtuoso fusion players to do metal than it is for metal players to do fusion.
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Yeah. Would he be able to do the heavier stuff, though?
I don't see why not, he seems very capable. Plus it's usually easier for virtuoso fusion players to do metal than it is for metal players to do fusion.
this is quite true
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Oh, shit. You won the thread.
Adami -- "simplifying 61 pages of aimless speculation into three sentences" since 02:31:05 PM
Contest_sanity -- "figuring out that you win a thread when you are the 2112th post" since he finished reading this sentence. :p
:lol Totally didn't get that. I typically don't even look at # of replies. I'm sorry.
*turns in prog card*
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I just realized that I have read every sentence in 63 pages and only because I want to know who is the new drummer! :facepalm:
and still no answer...
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I just realized that I have read every sentence in 63 pages and only because I want to know who is the new drummer! :facepalm:
and still no answer...
I still think it's Dave Weckl.
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I just realized that I have read every sentence in 63 pages and only because I want to know who is the new drummer! :facepalm:
and still no answer...
I still think it's Dave Weckl.
But Weckl is a pretty big name, isn't he? It would be like Terry Bozzio joining. Don't get me wrong, Weckl making DT metal-fusion would be crazy awesome, but I don't think it would be him.
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He's a pretty big name but so are most of the other guys listed. Plus I doubt DT would say no to someone SIMPLY because he has a big name.
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I love the Weckl discussion. What about Thomas Pridgen?
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I love the Weckl discussion. What about Thomas Pridgen?
SHUT THE HELL UP AND TALK ABOUT WECKL!
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Here, another amazing Weckl video, everyone check it out.
Imagine if DT incorporated this stuff into their live act.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kou-6h_yWoQ&feature=related
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Here, another amazing Weckl video, everyone check it out.
Imagine if DT incorporated this stuff into their live act.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kou-6h_yWoQ&feature=related
Uh, no thanks.
Dream Theater will never branch out that far, and for good reason.
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Well obviously they wouldn't just do that, but imagine blending that style of drumming into JR and JPs natural tendencies to do something a little more funky.
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Groove would be nice but there's no real place in my heart for funk. I'd rather them just do something bizarre and out there if they're going to really break out of their confines.
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Well either way I'd love to see the video of Weckls audition (and the others) if they ever decide to release them.
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I put my vote in the "other" camp. Hoping that DT will surprise us with no one on the list above, and make Aaron Harris formerly of ISIS their new drummer.
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I was intrigued, and then I looked up some Isis and realised you were kidding.
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Weckl would be great in DT.
I think it's Weckl.
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Can we add Weckl to the poll?
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Weckl would be great in DT.
I think it's Weckl.
Well, that pretty much sums the wishful-thinking based logic of 75 percent of this thread :D
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I was intrigued, and then I looked up some Isis and realised you were kidding.
LOL no I was not kidding. I think Harris would be a great fit with DT. Can play 8+ minute songs with ease, and drums with a huge Daney Carey influence. (They are really good friends) Listening to "Garden of Light" and "Threshold of Transformation" shows what he is seriously capable of, and over every album ISIS has released they have progressed as a band together.
But of course it is only one persons opinion...my own LOL. But all the drummers mentioned obove have not really intrigued me. Still looking forward to who will be announced though.
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wait.... are there actually people who are hoping for Weckle to be the new DT drummer? Even the idea of him auditioning is barely valid. He is passionate about jazz/fusion, and I can't imagine Petrucci/anyone from DT/Management giving Weckl a spot to audition over someone who is more suitable: a progressive/metal drummer. Would Weckl really "sell-out" to play in a prog metal act rather than something more to his liking?
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:lol
Well done, Adami.
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I still think it's Weckl.
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Can we add Weckl to the poll?
Done.
And, to echo what SE was saying about information in the old days, I didn't realize that KM had left the band until the ACOS EP came out, and I saw from the liner notes that they had a new keyboardist.
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If its Thomas Lang, I'm never buying another DT record again. Good for me eh. Fuck that guy.
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It's ok. If it's Thomas LAng, I will buy their next CD for you :biggrin:
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wow....is there still really nothing interesting going.....63 pages?
what the snarf
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If its Thomas Lang, I'm never buying another DT record again. Good for me eh. Fuck that guy.
Seriously man? What an incredibly stupid thing to say.
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If its Thomas Lang, I'm never buying another DT record again. Good for me eh. Fuck that guy.
Seriously man? What an incredibly stupid thing to say.
People can certainly perplex me with there mindless drivel.
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Forget Lang. All the newest evidence points to Weckl.
Someone should go to wiki and add him to the band already.
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Watching some of the vids Adami posted, and Weckl is a REALLY good drummer. Too bad we haven't heard anything suggesting that he even auditioned, so I'd say he's a very long shot like Aquiles Priester. Still holding fast hope that Minnemann or Lang got the job.
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Adami successfully shows how to spread a rumor in these troubled times in this thread.
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Note when I say "a very long shot," I mean there's no chance in hell until we hear otherwise.
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Over/under on Blabbermouth citing "credible sources" for their "Weckl confirmed as new DT drummer" story?
I'd say 2 days.
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Time magazine is reporting the new DT drummer will be....
wait for it........
Herman Rarebell!!!!! :metal
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Time magazine is reporting the new DT drummer will be....
wait for it........
Herman Rarebell!!!!! :metal
4/4 beats and cowbells galore!!
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Time magazine is reporting the new DT drummer will be....
wait for it........
Herman Rarebell!!!!! :metal
4/4 beats and cowbells galore!!
Dream Theater has a fever, and the only cure is....more cowbell! :metal
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Note when I say "a very long shot," I mean there's no chance in hell until we hear otherwise.
Oh I know. :lol But you can see how easily it can be done.
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Uh, no thanks.
Dream Theater will never branch out that far, and for good reason.
Perpetual Change
That said I changed my vote to Weckl.
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If its Thomas Lang, I'm never buying another DT record again. Good for me eh. Fuck that guy.
WTF, did he rape your mother or something?
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If nothing else, all this talk about Weckl caused me to revisit my GRP All-Star Big Band albums from the mid-90's. Great stuff.
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If its Thomas Lang, I'm never buying another DT record again. Good for me eh. Fuck that guy.
WTF, did he rape your mother or something?
I read about that, on Blabbermouth.
rumborak
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Dave Weckl would probably not happen, mostly because I'm pretty sure the members of DT have zero aspiration to make that kind of music (jazz, fusion, samba, bosa-nova, etc.) and because what Weckl plays in 10 minutes is harder than the entire DT discography combined.
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Dave Weckl would probably not happen, mostly because I'm pretty sure the members of DT have zero aspiration to make that kind of music (jazz, fusion, samba, bosa-nova, etc.) and because what Weckl plays in 10 minutes is harder than the entire DT discography combined.
truth
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Dave Weckl would probably not happen, mostly because I'm pretty sure the members of DT have zero aspiration to make that kind of music (jazz, fusion, samba, bosa-nova, etc.) and because what Weckl plays in 10 minutes is harder than the entire DT discography combined.
Nice Avatar. You put some trollin in Adami's trollin so we can get trolled while we get trolled?
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Wikipedia says:
Thomas Lang (born August 5, 1967 in Vienna), is an Austrian drummer who is currently working with the Los Angeles based progressive instrumental trio StOrk. Also officially announced on January 17th, 2011 as the replacement for Mike Portnoy in Dream Theater.
Screw wiki, but for once I hope the rumor is true - because I can't wait for the announcement anymore. ;D
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Brings me back to those good ole days where wikipedia said Mangini was DT's new drummer
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Brings me back to those good ole days where wikipedia said Mangini was DT's new drummer
Weckl blows Mangini out of the water.
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Brings me back to those good ole days where wikipedia said Mangini was DT's new drummer
Weckl blows Mangini out of the water.
Wikipedia blows Weckl out of the water
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Brings me back to those good ole days where wikipedia said Mangini was DT's new drummer
Weckl blows Mangini out of the water.
Wikipedia blows Weckl out of the water
Dave Weckl...is this the new rumor? lol...
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If by Rumor you mean drummer. Then I hope so.
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Weckl blows Mangini
I can only assume this is because Mangini bowed out of DT, allowing Weckl to take the position -- I'd be grateful too.
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If by Rumor you mean drummer. Then I hope so.
Yeah..no
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If by Rumor you mean drummer. Then I hope so.
Yeah..no
Why not? The man is a psychotic drummer and would give somethign for rudess and petrucci to aspire to. I bet they'd barely be able to keep up with him.
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If by Rumor you mean drummer. Then I hope so.
Yeah..no
Why not? The man is a psychotic drummer and would give somethign for rudess and petrucci to aspire to. I bet they'd barely be able to keep up with him.
Yes, he is a good drummer. The other part of your statement, your just being silly...
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How? Unless you're only impressed by metal or something.
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Thomas Lang is no doubt very talented, but every video I've seen of him, he completely over uses the double bass. I really hope they don't go in that direction.
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How? Unless you're only impressed by metal or something.
How did you get that from what I said?
EDIT: BTW, DT is a lot of metal, they always have been. But that has nothing to do with my statement.
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I asked how.
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I asked how.
The part about barely keeping up. Plus, show me a good video of Weckl playing metal and/or heavy music.
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I asked how.
The part about barely keeping up. Plus, show me a good video of Weckl playing metal and/or heavy music.
It's pretty obvious that if you reached Weckls level of skill, then metal is super easy.
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I asked how.
The part about barely keeping up. Plus, show me a good video of Weckl playing metal and/or heavy music.
It's pretty obvious that if you reached Weckls level of skill, then metal is super easy.
Well, good luck with that...
Now on to the issue of, DT's new drummer.
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Thomas Lang is no doubt very talented, but every video I've seen of him, he completely over uses the double bass. I really hope they don't go in that direction.
Funny I was thinking that a big problem with MP's drumming on BCSL was his over use of blast beats.
Anyway, I'm still hoping for Lang.
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Thomas Lang is no doubt very talented, but every video I've seen of him, he completely over uses the double bass. I really hope they don't go in that direction.
That's because most of the videos of him on youtube are from an instructional dvd about using your feet.
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Funny I was thinking that a big problem with MP's drumming on BCSL was his over use of blast beats.
I thought the only use of blast beats was in that one limited section at the end of ANTR?
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Funny I was thinking that a big problem with MP's drumming on BCSL was his over use of blast beats.
I thought the only use of blast beats was in that one limited section at the end of ANTR?
It was. No clue how that's overusing it since it's the only use in DT ever.
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And he was never able to play it live anyway. I remember my drummer's disappointed face when he heard the snare-hihat thing MP played instead.
rumborak
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Thomas Lang is no doubt very talented, but every video I've seen of him, he completely over uses the double bass. I really hope they don't go in that direction.
That's because most of the videos of him on youtube are from an instructional dvd about using your feet.
even the non-instructional videos have him overplaying the double bass. he is double bass happy.
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MP was very double bass happy as well.
It's not like DT will want to find a guy who plays drastically different than MP.
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I was gonna say that too. MP was very double-bass happy as well.
rumborak
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And he was never able to play it live anyway. I remember my drummer's disappointed face when he heard the snare-hihat thing MP played instead.
rumborak
Did he ever even attempt the blast beats live, or was it a pre-tour decision to leave them out?
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I've never heard them being attempted, so I assume he decided beforehand to not play them.
rumborak
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there is quite a bit of difference in how MP plays the double bass and how Lang plays the double bass. Lang seems to do it just to show off.
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there is quite a bit of difference in how MP plays the double bass and how Lang plays the double bass. Lang seems to do it just to show off.
Damnit, he'll never fit in with DT then. Those guys never do anything to show off.
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Lang in DT is like an egyptian not wanting to sell u something...
never gonna happen...
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Lang in DT is like an egyptian not wanting to sell u something...
never gonna happen...
.....did you just dare respect egypt?!?!?
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I would not be surprised if Adami has 1/3 of the posts in this thread.
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there is quite a bit of difference in how MP plays the double bass and how Lang plays the double bass. Lang seems to do it just to show off.
Damnit, he'll never fit in with DT then. Those guys never do anything to show off.
if it makes you feel any better I'm not really a fan of Jordan Rudess either.
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I would not be surprised if Adami has 1/3 of the posts in this thread.
Feel free to count :-D
I freely admit to not having a life and feel no shame in it.
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I have something of a life I think. It's cool.
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I have something of a life I think. It's cool.
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I am very efficient and do a lot of work near my computer.
It's thanks to you that I am here anyway. :lol
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If its Thomas Lang, I'm never buying another DT record again. Good for me eh. Fuck that guy.
WTF, did he rape your mother or something?
If its Thomas Lang, I'm never buying another DT record again. Good for me eh. Fuck that guy.
Seriously man? What an incredibly stupid thing to say.
People can certainly perplex me with there mindless drivel.
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Yeah.... was drunk last night and went on a posting spree, my bad guys. But still, hoping that it isn't Lang.
Now Weckl... that's sounding a lot sweeter to mine ears.
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If its Thomas Lang, I'm never buying another DT record again. Good for me eh. Fuck that guy.
WTF, did he rape your mother or something?
If its Thomas Lang, I'm never buying another DT record again. Good for me eh. Fuck that guy.
Seriously man? What an incredibly stupid thing to say.
People can certainly perplex me with there mindless drivel.
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Yeah.... was drunk last night and went on a posting spree, my bad guys. But still, hoping that it isn't Lang.
Now Weckl... that's sounding a lot sweeter to mine ears.
Adami's gotten to you. He's aiming to your pants.
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What? I don't even drink.
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Thomas Lang is no doubt very talented, but every video I've seen of him, he completely over uses the double bass. I really hope they don't go in that direction.
Ever heard Mike Portnoy drum?
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Too lazy to look back through the thread...can someone tell me what the new evidence is that points to Weckl?
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Too lazy to look back through the thread...can someone tell me what the new evidence is that points to Weckl?
He isn't one of the ones who people have already ruled out :P
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Too lazy to look back through the thread...can someone tell me what the new evidence is that points to Weckl?
Well we don't know 100% who auditioned and who didn't. But they said they got world class drummers and Weckl is a world class drummer who would probably inspire people like JR and JM in ways that MP never could. I think it's pretty likely that he auditioned, and DT would be foolish to turn him down, here check out this vid of him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AChFCC5_Lts
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Too lazy to look back through the thread...can someone tell me what the new evidence is that points to Weckl?
A brief timeline of recent events:
January 16th: Adami mentions that Weckl is a pretty awesome drummer, and it would be cool to see him in DT.
Five minutes later: lots of people suddenly assume Weckl is in the running, ignoring lack of evidence and Adami's original post.
Today: People are wondering what the hell is going on.
The same scenario is the reason people are talking about Aquiles Priester so much in this thread.
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Too lazy to look back through the thread...can someone tell me what the new evidence is that points to Weckl?
A brief timeline of recent events:
January 16th: Adami mentions that Weckl is a pretty awesome drummer, and it would be cool to see him in DT.
Five minutes later: lots of people suddenly assume Weckl is in the running, ignoring lack of evidence and Adami's original post.
Today: People are wondering what the hell is going on.
The same scenario is the reason people are talking about Aquiles Priester so much in this thread.
You actually missed a very important part.
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Adami :clap:
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Too lazy to look back through the thread...can someone tell me what the new evidence is that points to Weckl?
I put him in the poll.
Also, Adami is definitely this thread's MVP.
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Weckl is pretty much all jazz fusion so I don't think DT would hire a drummer not in their style.
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Weckl is pretty much all jazz fusion so I don't think DT would hire a drummer not in their style.
I guess we'll find out. I don't see DT as being that close minded though. Plus, it's pretty obvious Weckl can play whatever the hell he wants.
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It's clearly not going to be Weckl.
And I'm still waiting for an impressive vid of Lang or Minnemann. There's so much praise going around for those two, but what's it based on? Do tell...
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It's clearly not going to be Weckl.
And I'm still waiting for an impressive vid of Lang or Minnemann. There's so much praise going around for those two, but what's it based on? Do tell...
We get it, you don't like them. Move on.
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Lol, so you can't humor me with one measly link?
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Lol, so you can't humor me with one measly link?
There's tons of links to both of them in this thread. You don't like them.
Youtube them. It's easy.
But then again you don't want to like them. So as I said, move on.
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But I'm most curious about YOUR favorite link. Just to see if we're on the same page here.
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But I'm most curious about YOUR favorite link. Just to see if we're on the same page here.
I don't have one, I like their over all style.
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Fair enough.
Anyone else? lol
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Fair enough.
Anyone else? lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
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Fair enough.
Anyone else? lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANxVWgBELZA
There, if you still think Aquiles Priester is impressive after this, then you are hopeless.
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Fair enough.
Anyone else? lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANxVWgBELZA
Wow great find, Dana Carvey is a VERY musical drummer.
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Getting tired of this. How many times haven't they said "we will announce the drummer soon enough"...I don't think anyone thought about waiting 3 months the first time JLB said that. After a while, I became very stoked about getting the news. But now, as many of you I don't really care. (YES I DO, THAT'S WHY I CHECK THIS FORUM 5 TIMES A DAY) Anyways, if they come up with some unknown drummer wich I absolutely don't like im gonna get crazy. Though i know DT know what they're doing. They haven't said anything new lately either, so I wouldn't be shocked if we had to wait a couple of months more.
Fair enough.
Anyone else? lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW5yeNs61QM&feature=related I really like this vid of Lang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4w0fZwyyOE think this is a good vid of marco too
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I voted Other: Adami
It's true, look it up on YouTube and Wikipedia; he's the new drummer.
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I voted Other: Adami
It's true, look it up on YouTube and Wikipedia; he's the new drummer.
OH MY GOD THAT'S WHY HE IS POSTING ABOUT WECKL
BECAUSE HE IS TRYING TO DIVERT US FROM KNWING IT'S HIM
THAT SNEAKY GUY
OH, HIM
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Here's another good video of Lang playing. Not only do I enjoy his playing, but I also enjoy the music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWc2tu6Np_8&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWc2tu6Np_8&feature=related)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANxVWgBELZA
There, if you still think Aquiles Priester is impressive after this, then you are hopeless.
Very, very cool.
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JR:
The Namm show was wild and crazy to say the least! I was very proud to introduce the Korg Kronos! Now I am back in NY and came directly to the studio with Dream Theater. The riffs are flying!! And never a dull moment.. On Sunday the 23rd I will be playing live in Tarrytown NY. I will be joined by James Labrie, Eren Basbug and the RnL project. Come to the show! www.tarrytownmusichall.org
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I have it on good authority that bosk has not been forthright with us about him being the new drummer.
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So they're in the studio. And they definitely have began writing.
BUT WHO WAS PHONE
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Sounds great!
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:metal
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Lang in DT is like an egyptian not wanting to sell u something...
never gonna happen...
.....did you just dare respect egypt?!?!?
Just had a holiday in egypt...
Never in my life I have seen so many egyptians wanting to sell me scarfs and pyramids that were made in china...
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Lang in DT is like an egyptian not wanting to sell u something...
never gonna happen...
.....did you just dare respect egypt?!?!?
Just had a holiday in egypt...
Never in my life I have seen so many egyptians wanting to sell me scarfs and pyramids that were made in china...
I've had this experience too. I just came back from my trip home to the US. So many people trying to sell me cheap shit made in China-- I'd completely forgotten! I couldn't even buy a videogame without the salesman asking if I wanted insurance on it.
Then I went to buy a movie, and the dude at the counter insisted I pre-order something. When I said 'no' he went on to mention that I could pre-order movies that aren't even out in theaters yet. It was awesome.
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Those videos of Lang are why I want him in DT over Mangini. Although he's showing his skills it still sounds like he's playing "the song". In Mangini's vids the song is a distant relative to what he's playing.
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Here's another good video of Lang playing. Not only do I enjoy his playing, but I also enjoy the music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWc2tu6Np_8&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWc2tu6Np_8&feature=related)
That vid has As I Am at the beginning I swear...
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It's because it's Hudson Music, the company which makes MP's dvds.
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True, all the Hudson Music drum clips have that same intro.
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Here's another good video of Lang playing. Not only do I enjoy his playing, but I also enjoy the music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWc2tu6Np_8&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWc2tu6Np_8&feature=related)
Nice video, very nice groove but from this video I don't see how he could be the best for DT.
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Fair enough.
Anyone else? lol
This was posted much earlier in the thread, but it deserves to be seen again
https://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/thomaslangmd06.html
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From Mike Mangini's website :
JAN 13: In the Midst of recording tracks for Groove Rock band Graphite at their studio in N. Mass.
JAN 10: More shipments of E Pro coming and I will be revamping my home studio; a LOT of work to do. Ugh.
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Stolen from MP.com:
(https://saucepls.info/A/8a/DTdrummer.jpg)
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MP is in the new Tron movie?
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From Mike Mangini's website :
JAN 13: In the Midst of recording tracks for Groove Rock band Graphite at their studio in N. Mass.
JAN 10: More shipments of E Pro coming and I will be revamping my home studio; a LOT of work to do. Ugh.
Wha?
So either 1) he's not the drummer, or 2) he's not allowed to be a part of the writing process, and will only come in the studio to lay drum tracks at the very end.
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I'll go with number 1.
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Stolen from MP.com:
(https://saucepls.info/A/8a/DTdrummer.jpg)
The stig is the new drummer!
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Well that was the point of the photo...
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Well that was the point of the photo...
I just recently found out who the stig was, so I was just happy to get the reference.
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Ha, fair enough.
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Stolen from MP.com:
(https://saucepls.info/A/8a/DTdrummer.jpg)
Me and another poster (can't remember who) were making this joke a few weeks ago. Is it true the new drummer was released from a Scottish prison too early? Can he really punch a horse to the ground? Does he really listen to vuvuzelas when driving fast cars? How many wrong facts does he know about ducks?
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Some say that he's made entirely out of marzipan... and that his only weakness is a crippling allergy to the colour blue.
All we know is that he's called David Weckl.
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The new drummer has been seen entering and leaving the studio. I guess he has a bunch of disguises. Here is the link:
https://tinyurl.com/6hw52ke
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The new drummer has been seen entering and leaving the studio. I guess he has a bunch of disguises. Here is the link:
https://tinyurl.com/6hw52ke
You know the announcement is overdue when people start posting links to the worst movie made in movie history.
rumborak
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Fair enough.
Anyone else? lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHft4OR7Rus
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHft4OR7Rus
I really wish it was him.
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The new drummer has been seen entering and leaving the studio. I guess he has a bunch of disguises. Here is the link:
https://tinyurl.com/6hw52ke
You know the announcement is overdue when people start posting links to the worst movie made in movie history.
rumborak
lol. I dont know about the worst...
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I still hope they get a girl drummer just so all of this discussion will mean nothing at all.
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I still hope they get a girl drummer just so all of this discussion will mean nothing at all.
Pretty sure they are trying to avoid oxymorons.
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I still hope they get a girl drummer just so all of this discussion will mean nothing at all.
I'd bang her
bongos.
Yeah I dunno, a girl drummer would actually be really interesting.
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damnit, if you were pulling for a girl drummer i should've tried out! :facepalm:
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damnit, if you were pulling for a girl drummer i should've tried out! :facepalm:
Good lord you taking banging things as much as possible to a new level!
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LOL how so?!
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That reminds me, I think I'll go watch some more Emanuelle Caplet videos. She inspires me.
Anyhow, look people: It's obvious they aren't planning on saying anything for a while. They're in the studio now. Likely, they'll finish the new album, and we'll be well into the months of mixing, mastering, and then the production/marketing/release cycle before we hear anything. Just chill out and wait a few months.
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That reminds me, I think I'll go watch some more Emanuelle Caplet videos. She inspires me.
Anyhow, look people: It's obvious they aren't planning on saying anything for a while. They're in the studio now. Likely, they'll finish the new album, and we'll be well into the months of mixing, mastering, and then the production/marketing/release cycle before we hear anything. Just chill out and wait a few months.
So you're saying that Dave Weckl might be the drummer.
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I don't think I said "might." But just chill until it's official is all I'm saying.
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I love how despite being able to change votes a guy who has been eliminated from the running is still winning the poll. :lol
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Why? Maybe people just have enough integrity to leave their vote as is even though new evidence may have come out that persuaded them that they were wrong?
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Why? Maybe people just have enough integrity to leave their vote as is even though new evidence may have come out that persuaded them that they were wrong?
Integrity only comes into play if people were expected to keep their vote the same, and if that were the case the poll would not have specifically allowed users to change their vote. Or at least that's how I read it.
In any case Marco has gotten a solid 5-10 votes since he was eliminated, so either way I'm baffled.
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As far as this:
In any case Marco has gotten a solid 5-10 votes since he was eliminated, so either way I'm baffled.
Keep in mind that we've had a lot of recent new registrations. I'm sure a lot of newer people voted before reading all 67 pages of this thread (and I'm sure a lot of people STILL haven't), so a lot of people voting may not be aware of the most up-to-date information.
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In any case Marco has gotten a solid 5-10 votes since he was eliminated, so either way I'm baffled.
When/how was he eliminated? I think I missed something.
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In any case Marco has gotten a solid 5-10 votes since he was eliminated, so either way I'm baffled.
When/how was he eliminated? I think I missed something.
He's busy doing a lot of other things.
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And his new band basically said, "Well, uh...we're not Dream Theater, but we do know DT did NOT hire Marco because we hired him to be our full time drummer and that's what he's going to be busy with in the forseeable future."
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My initial vote was for Zelany. I never changed it.
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My initial vote was for Zelany. I never changed it.
Even though he didn't get the job?
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Here are some facts:
1. I voted for Lang.
2. I haven't changed my vote.
Here are some possible conclusions you can draw from those facts:
1. I know who it is, and it is Lang, because it would be ludicrous for me to know it was someone else and not change my vote.
2. I know who it is, and it isn't Lang, but I didn't change my vote because I want to throw all of you off.
3. I have no clue who it is, but I like Lang and don't see any point in changing my vote.
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My initial vote was for Zelany. I never changed it.
Even though he didn't get the job?
I know he didn't get the job. I just don't care enough to change it every time any of the people on the list make any kind of statement at all that can be construed as possible evidence of anything.
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I love how despite being able to change votes a guy who has been eliminated from the running is still winning the poll. :lol
I created the poll, and I've stuck with Zeleny even though we know for certain that it isn't him.
Not particularly fussed as to whether people change them or not, and I might yet change it myself, but it was my initial bet and I like it being on public record.
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I've voted at one time or another for all of the first 5 names on that list.
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Stolen from MP.com:
(https://saucepls.info/A/8a/DTdrummer.jpg)
Me and another poster (can't remember who) were making this joke a few weeks ago. Is it true the new drummer was released from a Scottish prison too early? Can he really punch a horse to the ground? Does he really listen to vuvuzelas when driving fast cars? How many wrong facts does he know about ducks?
Some say he is afraid of stairs, other say that his heart beats in 5/4, all we know is he is called The Stig!
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I never changed my vote from Mangini. But I did state earlier in the thread I hope it's Andrea Vadrucci
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DVbt5W-DNc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DVbt5W-DNc)
Gentlemen, I believe I've found him.
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Welcome to 2010.
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update from @thomaslangdrum :gave the dog a bath. the dog is mad.
he is bathing MP :omg:
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I voted for Lang and my vote have not change, he is the perfect fit to bring DT to a new level.
I wished el negro hernandez would be the new drummer.. it's not going to happen but that would be insane.
i would have liked vadrum cause it would be fun
Welck is more than welcome if he is the chosen one (maybe he is the only drummer in the world who would be like stepping back just to help dt), altho i still don't know how his name came in after 3 month without mentioning him.
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Here are some facts:
1. I voted for Lang.
2. I haven't changed my vote.
Here are some possible conclusions you can draw from those facts:
1. I know who it is, and it is Lang, because it would be ludicrous for me to know it was someone else and not change my vote.
2. I know who it is, and it isn't Lang, but I didn't change my vote because I want to throw all of you off.
3. I have no clue who it is, but I like Lang and don't see any point in changing my vote.
That settles it - it's Mangini.
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Thomas Lang seems to be the most likely candidate for me, with John Macaluso being the follow-up (although I base JMa's audition on absolutely nothing).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DVbt5W-DNc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DVbt5W-DNc)
Gentlemen, I believe I've found him.
Dammit, I was thinking about posting that.
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Yeah, it's not like it has been posted about fifteen times in this thread already...
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Welcome back to the early days of the drummer quest.
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I initially voted for Thomas Lang. I haven't changed the vote. I still hold out hope for Marco though.
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I initially voted for Thomas Lang. I haven't changed the vote. I still hold out hope for Marco though.
We all do. But since it won't be Marco I will choose Lang. The only two drummers I didn't have a problem were Lango or Marco. I'd be happy with either.
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I never even voted!
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I'll let the cat outta the bag.... the new drummer is:
(https://members.multimania.co.uk/arizonabay/images/animal.jpg)
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Yeah, it's not like it has been posted about fifteen times in this thread already...
I figured it was, thats why I didn't do it. I also didn't want to dig through over 60 pages of this thread to find out.
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I still go for Macaluso even though I don't know if he even auditioned. Now, that would bring some change in DT.
B.Lee
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I'll let the cat outta the bag.... the new drummer is:
(https://members.multimania.co.uk/arizonabay/images/animal.jpg)
Errr......
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/dt_new_drummer.jpg)
Already did that joke too.
rumborak
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Quick! DTF is running out of drummer-jokes!
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Quick! DTF is running out of drummer-jokes!
ba-dum-tssh!
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I didn't look are Animal or Buddy Rich in the poll?
I don't see why, after all the ridiculousness we've had so far that a puppet and a dead guy shouldn't be included.
Also, Rumby you should be ashamed that your still using a haloween avatar.
That sort of thing is bannworthy.
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holy shit, you're right :lol
I gotta do something about that.
rumborak
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much better.
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Travis Barker
DT182
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That would be awesome if none of these guys are right.
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Travis Barker
DT182
I almost threw up on my keyboard.
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Why? did you have a bad enchilada?
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I hear they use meat from "Dude Ranch" on those enchiladas.
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I know there has been rumours that Marco Minnemann would be the new DT drummer...
But has there been other rumours, about other drummers? (those voted high on this poll)
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I know there has been rumours that Marco Minnemann would be the new DT drummer...
But has there been other rumours, about other drummers? (those voted high on this poll)
Minnemann isn't the new drummer. Neither is Mangini. Neither is Charlie Z. Some people think it's Lang, others think it's Weckl, and 2 or 3 people for some reason think it's Macaluso. That's about it for now.
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Minnemann, Jarzombek, Zeleny, and Donati have been pretty convincingly ruled out. (And it's not Priester, but nobody with halfway realistic expectations thought he was a serious candidate anyway) None of the others have, to my knowledge.
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What about Morgenstein? I don't recall hearing anything about him.
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I don't remember whether we heard anything conclusively ruling him out or not.
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Are we trusting blabbermouth when we say that Macro is out?
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Are we trusting blabbermouth when we say that Macro is out?
We're trusting the fact that he's out. Unless you need someone in DT or Marco to personally come to your house and tell you face to face that Marco is 100% NOT the new Dream Theater drummer, then what we have should be convincing.
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I still go for Macaluso even though I don't know if he even auditioned. Now, that would bring some change in DT.
B.Lee
I am friends with John,he didnt audition.He would of been a great fit.
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Are we trusting blabbermouth when we say that Macro is out?
I don't know about you, but I'm trusting his bandmates, who said he is out because he is their permanent drummer.
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Are we trusting blabbermouth when we say that Macro is out?
I don't know about you, but I'm trusting his bandmates, who said he is out because he is their permanent drummer.
BOSK, YOUR AVATAR! :lol
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Why isn't it Mangini? I know he's doing other work, but the new drummer isn't in the studio with them anyway. Has any other band said he's their permanent drummer?
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Why isn't it Mangini? I know he's doing other work, but the new drummer isn't in the studio with them anyway. Has any other band said he's their permanent drummer?
No. He has not been ruled out.
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Why isn't it Mangini? I know he's doing other work, but the new drummer isn't in the studio with them anyway. Has any other band said he's their permanent drummer?
How do you know their new drummer is not in the studio with them?
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Minnemann, Jarzombek, Zeleny, and Donati have been pretty convincingly ruled out. (And it's not Priester, but nobody with halfway realistic expectations thought he was a serious candidate anyway) None of the others have, to my knowledge.
We may be able to rule Wildoer out at this point as well.
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Wildoer said that thing about "DT, yeah that could be cool." Plus, isn't he in another band?
On the other hand, waiting to announce him because his paperwork as a foreigner hasn't been filled out yet would make a lot of sense.
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Yeah, I had forgotten about Wildoer. But I never really considered him a realistic possibility, so he was easy for me to overlook.
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Wildoer said that thing about "DT, yeah that could be cool." Plus, isn't he in another band?
On the other hand, waiting to announce him because his paperwork as a foreigner hasn't been filled out yet would make a lot of sense.
Yeah, metalpete had a raging hard on for Wildoer, and even he admitted it didn't seem like Wildoer got the gig. Metalpete may be able to provide better details about wildoer's Facebook posts.
Wildoer seemed more realistic than Priester, but neither seem like a good choice for dt.(imo)
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Are we trusting blabbermouth when we say that Macro is out?
I don't know about you, but I'm trusting his bandmates, who said he is out because he is their permanent drummer.
I seem to have missed that.
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Think it is coming from this:
https://www.smnnews.com/2011/01/04/psyaxis-confirm-dream-theaters-marco-minnemann-as-drummer/
In the comments section.
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That proves nothing really. I'm sure if it was Marco, he wouldn't even be able to tell this band or anyone else due to confidentiality. And he's not due in the studio until Feb 7. I just don't see that as anything concrete. :corn
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That proves nothing really. I'm sure if it was Marco, he wouldn't even be able to tell this band or anyone else due to confidentiality. And he's not due in the studio until Feb 7. I just don't see that as anything concrete. :corn
Dude it's pretty concrete. There's no way Marco is the new drummer. It's called reading between the lines.
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Hi there, I know you're the new permanent drummer for a profitable and highly respected genre leading band, and although we're all here recording an album and eventually will be asking you to learn 4 hours or so of material for the next tour why don't you go out and record with other bands instead of being in the studio with us to do silly things like gel with the band and get a feel for our musical bonds.
I totally bet that's what he said to the new guy a week or two ago.
I seriously think anyone who thinks the new drummer is going to be absent for any large chunk of the making of the new album should have their head examined, it makes absolutely no sense.
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And then, "Yeah," John would say, "because, you know, we've had a lot of success recently with drummers who have other projects they're committed to.
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That proves nothing really. I'm sure if it was Marco, he wouldn't even be able to tell this band or anyone else due to confidentiality. And he's not due in the studio until Feb 7. I just don't see that as anything concrete. :corn
Dude it's pretty concrete. There's no way Marco is the new drummer. It's called reading between the lines.
Quote from Matt of Psyaxis: "Im not too sure where DT came into play on this article. I dont want there to be a misunderstanding. Minnemann is coming down to play drums on our album, but it has nothing to do with DT. Id love to see him play with them, but I dont THINK he is their new drummer."
With all due respect, I read between the lines and the emphasis is on THINK. This guy doesn't even know. Blabbermouth might know, but due to their track record, we aren't sure. So nothing is really ruled out at this point. That's all I'm saying.
At any rate, having other work/obligations also doesn't rule anything out because any world class drummer would certainly have other obligations already scheduled that they would eventually need to do something about. I'm sure DT would understand some temporary work obligations that wouldn't take too long to fulfill.
Of course, I'm just speculating just like the rest of us here. :P
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Fine, Marco is the new drummer. He joined the band and instead of actually playing with them, he went off and decided to play with other bands instead.
Makes perfect sense. I'm sure Marco's really smart that way.
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Fine, Marco is the new drummer. He joined the band and instead of actually playing with them, he went off and decided to play with other bands instead.
Makes perfect sense. I'm sure Marco's really smart that way.
Wow! You're being really rude. I was just adding my thoughts. Nothing more. Thanks for the welcome to the forum.
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Fine, Marco is the new drummer. He joined the band and instead of actually playing with them, he went off and decided to play with other bands instead.
Makes perfect sense. I'm sure Marco's really smart that way.
Wow! You're being really rude. I was just adding my thoughts. Nothing more. Thanks for the welcome to the forum.
Welcome to the forum. Don't let Adami scare you off!
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So can we eliminate Mangini too?
Also, dongringo, don't take it badly. Adami wasn't being rude. Don't take things too personally here on DTF, I did for awhile and it made me feel sad to post anything. No one is putting you down
Welcome to the forum!
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Fine, Marco is the new drummer. He joined the band and instead of actually playing with them, he went off and decided to play with other bands instead.
Makes perfect sense. I'm sure Marco's really smart that way.
Wow! You're being really rude. I was just adding my thoughts. Nothing more. Thanks for the welcome to the forum.
Haha, welcome to the forums! I guess Adami is just tired of all the speculations. But Marco going into the studio in february with some band, and touring with them in may, leaving maybe 2 months for marco with dream theater... is veeeery unlikely. Even if they did write the album without the drummer, two months of writing and recording drums, and preparing a summer tour when marcos also preparing another tour is nearly impossible. We've been through this so many times, so people like Adami is tired of all the Marco speculation!
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Fine, Marco is the new drummer. He joined the band and instead of actually playing with them, he went off and decided to play with other bands instead.
Makes perfect sense. I'm sure Marco's really smart that way.
Wow! You're being really rude. I was just adding my thoughts. Nothing more. Thanks for the welcome to the forum.
Sorry, wasn't trying to be rude. But as you can see this thread is very long. A lot of posts are "well this person didn't explicitly say that they aren't in the band.........THEREFORE THEY MIGHT BE!" and it just gets annoying, but that's not your fault, I didn't realize you were new.
Anyway, welcome to the forum. Dave Weckl is the new drummer.
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Be easy on Adami, guys. He's already at 50 plus posts today or something. Of course he's going to have some trouble making sure every one is quality.
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It's amazing how everyone makes fun of me. I feel not in the slightest bit liked.
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What? I was just kidding. I have trouble limiting my posts, too.
But, if you insist, I like you, even if your sense of humor makes me lol about as often as it outrages me. And I only made the joke because you yelled at me for not knowing every detail about Marco's chances of being the drummer, and then yelled at that other guy for speculating. Obviously, I haven't kept up as well with this thread as some but ultimately the blame falls on Nick, who has consistently failed to update the stickied drummer thread. So blame Nick. He may have changed his name and moved to Mexico, but he will not escape my blame.
This thread is now about DT's new drummer, Adami.
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LOL Yeah Dave Weckl.
Personally, I don't think it's Marco either. I just wonder about confidentiality between DT and whoever the new drummer is. I mean, if they are really working out legal stuff before revealing the replacement, would the new drummer even be able to say anything to anyone? Was just thinking about stuff like that and wondering.
Anyway, imo, all the speculation is what has made reading these 69 pages fun.
Neil Peart joined DT, but Rush doesn't know it yet.
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the changing votes is so annoying. minnemann back down. stick to your votes people
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i have done a little psychic survey regarding the new drummer candidates.
i chose the best youtube video posted here for these candidates : MANGINI, MINNEMANN, DONATI, LANG, PRIESTER (sorry BOSK), ZELENY and WECKL (there you go ADAMI). Well, i know Charlie Z already ruled out but just curious of what people might think about him.
i showed them to ten people who actually know not much about DT, but at least they have heard several DT songs.
Here are the facts:
- of all the 10, 9 people know that MP left DT.
- the vote results:
5 people for Priester
2 for Lang
1 Minnemann
1 Mangini
1 Zeleny
well, just care to share.
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instead of actually playing with them, he went off and decided to play with other bands instead.
Makes perfect sense. I'm sure Mike's really smart that way.
:omg:
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i have done a little psychic survey regarding the new drummer candidates.
i chose the best youtube video posted here for these candidates : MANGINI, MINNEMANN, DONATI, LANG, PRIESTER (sorry BOSK), ZELENY and WECKL (there you go ADAMI). Well, i know Charlie Z already ruled out but just curious of what people might think about him.
i showed them to ten people who actually know not much about DT, but at least they have heard several DT songs.
Here are the facts:
- of all the 10, 9 people know that MP left DT.
- the vote results:
5 people for Priester
2 for Lang
1 Minnemann
1 Mangini
1 Zeleny
well, just care to share.
That's really interesting. I wonder how many votes Priester would have if he had a spot on the candidate vote list here.
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the changing votes is so annoying. minnemann back down. stick to your votes people
Mangini is still my vote, never change it
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Answering the guys that asked on the previous page: I don't think it's Wildoer any more, he is writing and recording the next Darkane album :metal I still think he would have been a great fit for DT, incredibole drummer. So now I think it is Lang.
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the changing votes is so annoying. minnemann back down. stick to your votes people
What's the use if you voted for someone who has certainly been ruled out?
I voted for Zeleny initially, but he has been permanently ruled out, that's when I changed it to Lang.
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i have done a little psychic survey regarding the new drummer candidates.
i chose the best youtube video posted here for these candidates : MANGINI, MINNEMANN, DONATI, LANG, PRIESTER (sorry BOSK), ZELENY and WECKL (there you go ADAMI). Well, i know Charlie Z already ruled out but just curious of what people might think about him.
i showed them to ten people who actually know not much about DT, but at least they have heard several DT songs.
Here are the facts:
- of all the 10, 9 people know that MP left DT.
- the vote results:
5 people for Priester
2 for Lang
1 Minnemann
1 Mangini
1 Zeleny
well, just care to share.
Did you show them the videos in random order?
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Did you show them the videos in random order?
yes
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the new drummer isn't in the studio with them anyway
Where did you get this from?
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Is there no-one here who lives near the studio who has no life/job and can stake-out the studio? Then we can all move on to posting why we think he will be rubbish.
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A webcam outside the studio would be nice.
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The Herman Rarebell rumor mill is red hot!
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HERMAN! HERMAN! HERMAN! HERMAN! :metal
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I would assume that DT are fed up with drummers with side projects.
If they offered the new guy the job in early November (???), then it is quite possible that he had bookings to play or record with other bands early in the new year. They would either accept these pre-booked obligations or they would say to cancel them. Its a tough spot to be in.
DT would be smart to make sure that the new guy doesnt fill his drumming side project schedule unless he consults DT first. I'll even bet that whatever contract the new guys signs will give detailed info on how DT gets preference over any other project.
DT needs to have the guy in the studio NOW.
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It's amazing how everyone makes fun of me. I feel not in the slightest bit liked.
Cry more. Cry. By my hand.
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Aquiles Priester posted a bunch of photos of him in Hollywood. Some of those pictures were with Thomas Lang. I know he had an event in Hollywood, CA on Jan 19th, 2011.
His photo album states "Having fun in Hollywood" . Where is DT recording? New York? Correct?
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I would assume that DT are fed up with drummers with side projects.
I agree, but I do think a logical explanation is that the new drummer had previously agreed to some other projects that he needs to fulfil before joining DT in the studio. I doubt the DT guys would make him cancel previous obligations, but I could see them limiting future side projects to some degree.
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A webcam outside the studio would be nice.
We'll catch Bigfoot on camera before we find out who the new drummer is.
...unless Bigfoot is the drummer. Maybe DT want that thumping double bass.
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the new drummer isn't in the studio with them anyway
Where did you get this from?
Second request.
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I think that one of the guys should upload a sound clip of the new drummer playing something and just say, "Hey, here is the new guy. Take a guess" Just to tease everyone.
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I think that one of the guys should upload a sound clip of the new drummer playing something and just say, "Hey, here is the new guy. Take a guess" Just to tease everyone.
Yeah, take a 30 second clip of the band jamming or something (without showing the drummer)... then we on the forums could analyze the clip for weeks, comparing what the drummer played to the entire bodies of work of all possible drumming candidates... "Hey that fill sounds like this fill at 5:44 that Lang played at a show in 1998 (youtube link)" etc... a playground for the obsessed and OCD would be born, and hours more of pointless debate could be created.
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I'll let the cat outta the bag.... the new drummer is:
(https://members.multimania.co.uk/arizonabay/images/animal.jpg)
Errr......
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/dt_new_drummer.jpg)
Already did that joke too.
rumborak
Missed that one... my bad.
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I think that one of the guys should upload a sound clip of the new drummer playing something and just say, "Hey, here is the new guy. Take a guess" Just to tease everyone.
Yeah, take a 30 second clip of the band jamming or something (without showing the drummer)... then we on the forums could analyze the clip for weeks, comparing what the drummer played to the entire bodies of work of all possible drumming candidates... "Hey that fill sounds like this fill at 5:44 that Lang played at a show in 1998 (youtube link)" etc... a playground for the obsessed and OCD would be born, and hours more of pointless debate could be created.
Sounds like a cool idea!
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So I had a dream last night where Rudess told me that it was not Marco Minnemann. Welp I guess we can rule him out. (https://www.fiveeightforums.com/images/smilies/emotcolbertkx3.gif)
I guess all fingers point to Weckl now.
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how ironic, AVENGED SEVENFOLD has named their new drummer.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=152546
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Ironic perhaps, but not unexpected since A7X has none of the legal issues to work through that DT has.
What strikes me as more ironic is the fact that their new guy was formerly in a "Christian" band. Yeah, that'll be a good match.
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What strikes me as more ironic is the fact that their new guy was formerly in a "Christian" band. Yeah, that'll be a good match.
God Hates Us isn't the most Christian song I suppose...
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I think that one of the guys should upload a sound clip of the new drummer playing something and just say, "Hey, here is the new guy. Take a guess" Just to tease everyone.
Yeah, take a 30 second clip of the band jamming or something (without showing the drummer)... then we on the forums could analyze the clip for weeks, comparing what the drummer played to the entire bodies of work of all possible drumming candidates... "Hey that fill sounds like this fill at 5:44 that Lang played at a show in 1998 (youtube link)" etc... a playground for the obsessed and OCD would be born, and hours more of pointless debate could be created.
At least there would be something real to debate. Imagine what can be done with some proof if we got 70 pages with only speculation. I would just love to see DTF going crazy on that. :D
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I bet it will end up being no one any of us has ever heard of...
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Something tells me MP isn't going to like the "Portnoy was dismissed in December" line.
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Ironic perhaps, but not unexpected since A7X has none of the legal issues to work through that DT has.
What strikes me as more ironic is the fact that their new guy was formerly in a "Christian" band. Yeah, that'll be a good match.
What legal issues? I don't think that was ever clearly explained
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Well, the "legal issues" has morphed itself into the highest-ranking explanation for the lacking announcement. I don't think there's particularly much evidence that it is the main reason, and I am personally not convinced that it is.
rumborak
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So what it is? I really don't understand what the delay is. JP should just tell us what's going on. It would give most of us peace of mind, I think
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What is the likelihood of an announcement on Sunday during the show? As the encore.
Sounds nice and pleasant.
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Ironic perhaps, but not unexpected since A7X has none of the legal issues to work through that DT has.
What strikes me as more ironic is the fact that their new guy was formerly in a "Christian" band. Yeah, that'll be a good match.
What legal issues? I don't think that was ever clearly explained
No, there hasn't been a detailed official explanation. But myself and several others who have posted in the thread who have explained things based on either (1) working knowledge of the music industry or (2) working knowledge of the legal profession (or both). The band is a legal entity (likely a corporation). The bandmembers are owners of all kinds of different legal rights and are managers of that entity. Transitioning one member/owner out sounds like a simle process, but it isn't. It is time-consuming and is very involved. Likely, there is a lot of negotiating over all of these various rights, and the band is likely following the likely advice they are getting from the label and their legal advisors that they should not say anything yet because doing so could undermine parts of the negotiations and the finalizing of all the legal steps that need to occur. It doesn't necessarily mean things are headed toward a lawsuit. But these things just take a long time. And given my own everyday experience in the legal profession, the amount of time that has elapsed so far is typical and is nothing out of the ordinary whatsoever. Others I have spoken to who again have either the legal or industry background agree.
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No, there hasn't been a detailed official explanation. But myself and several others who have posted in the thread who have explained things based on either (1) working knowledge of the music industry or (2) working knowledge of the legal profession (or both). The band is a legal entity (likely a corporation). The bandmembers are owners of all kinds of different legal rights and are managers of that entity. Transitioning one member/owner out sounds like a simle process, but it isn't. It is time-consuming and is very involved. Likely, there is a lot of negotiating over all of these various rights, and the band is likely following the likely advice they are getting from the label and their legal advisors that they should not say anything yet because doing so could undermine parts of the negotiations and the finalizing of all the legal steps that need to occur. It doesn't necessarily mean things are headed toward a lawsuit. But these things just take a long time. And given my own everyday experience in the legal profession, the amount of time that has elapsed so far is typical and is nothing out of the ordinary whatsoever. Others I have spoken to who again have either the legal or industry background agree.
bosk1 is absolutely correct. To be very honest, if they announce the drummer this month, that is incredibly fast, and means (to the contrary of what some folks think) that there weren't very many legal obstacles separating Mike Portnoy legally from the band and coming to an agreement on business aspects of things.
This stuff takes time.
Like bosk, I have law degree, and I also know people and have some experience in the music industry (not a ton, but enough to know how this all works). A guy can "join" a band overnight. But legally working it out and restructuring the business aspects can take months and months and months. Add to that fact that the holidays were here as well, and this has gone fast, all things considered.
Remember, when you're a band at DT's level, this isn't just a band starting out where folks all have other jobs and its a fun thing. This is a business. Every band is a business. The more successful you are, and the longer the band has been around, it means there is a ton more legalities and business affairs to take care of.
So for any of you that are looking into this whole thing and coming up with explanations why it has taken "so long," trust me (and bosk and everyone else who is saying this), all things considered, this is a relatively SHORT time to get everything in order. It doesn't mean there is a lawsuit pending or anything. This stuff just takes time and when you are dealing with the legal process, the music industry, and the fact that Dream Theater is the livelihood of all the people involved, the longer it can take.
So rest easy folks. It's likely all about just getting things agreed upon and signed between multiple parties (DT, Portnoy, the new guy, etc.) and signed-off on by those parties' representation.
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All good points Sam and Bosk..
Besides, you'd have to think that the band is just as antsy to announce the news. I'm sure it's killing them to hold the secret. But I am totally amazed that there hasn't been a leak. That's incredible.
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Good points.
Plus, maybe the new drummer isnt legally part of DT yet.
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What I don't get is why the assumed legal issuses have to be resolved before making an announcement. I mean, I don't think they would be breaking any law if they let us know the name beforehand, right? ??? DT is not the only well-known band that is going through a member change but I never heard of such a situation before.
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It's not that they would be breaking the law, it's that they don't want to announce the new guy until after all of the details are hammered out so they don't have to turn around and say never mind if that falls through.
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*LAWYERED!*
That sounds great and all but I think everyone wants to believe that we're just gonna know the name of the drummer once the album is done and in our hands, and read the credits by our selves (for those of us who know how to read -the others will just see the pictures).
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It's not that they would be breaking the law, it's that they don't want to announce the new guy until after all of the details are hammered out so they don't have to turn around and say never mind if that falls through.
This.
Plus, until "the ink is dry" on any and all business and legal arrangements, things are fluid. Things can always change. So better to take the time, make sure everything is done, and done correctly and all parties are satisfied, instead of rushing because fans want to know a name.
I get the fan angle, and trust me, I'm as eager to know as most Dream Theater fans.
But the reality is, this stuff takes time.
One thing is for certain, the band is making music and is in the studio. So if you really need to know *right now* hop in the car (or for non-NYers, jump on a plane) and hang out around the studio. You'll see whoever it is and you can report back.
It is AMAZING this has not been leaked yet. SOMEONE must have seen this dude. lol. C'mon DTF, go on a stakeout and get the answer.
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bosk, Samsara,
that's all true, but not all information is equal in this regard. And especially the information about who is the drummer seems fairly independent from the MP's exit negotiations. I could see how MP's negotiations are long and arduous, but the signing of a replacement drummer is a very different thing.
It is AMAZING this has not been leaked yet. SOMEONE must have seen this dude.
Unless there is none.
rumborak
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I see your point, rumby, but there's also just the emotional/psychological component of the negotiation process. The DT camp probably wants to stay as low-key as possible for as long as possible so that something isn't publicly said or done that changes the negotiation dynamic on the other side. I'm grossly oversimplifying things here, but let's say they have to negotiate points A, B, C, D, and E to finalize everything with Mike. B ends up being a really difficult issue that takes a long-time to hammer out, but after some time has passed, both sides calm way down concede enough to reach a tentative agreement on B. Then they move on to C. Then D. Then before they get that last issue wrapped up, they announce the drummer, and some stuff is said that makes Mike mad. Then he says some stuff that makes the DT camp mad. Then the deal gets hung up. Then somebody says, "yeah, well given what's going on, this changes everything, and I'm not happy about B anymore, so that's off." And then you're just back to square one. Again, that's a gross oversimplification, but that's the kind of thing that happens all the time.
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Ok hi all newbie here, vote 62 for TL! :metal
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Well, since your email address is tom@thomaslang.com, I guess that seals the deal.
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Well, since your email address is tom@thomaslang.com, I guess that seals the deal.
:rollin
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I wonder if they're having fun waiting it out, because of how anxious the fans are. But as I said I hope its someone not listed here just to see how u all react.
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I wonder if they're having fun waiting it out, because of how anxious the fans are. But as I said I hope its someone not listed here just to see how u all react.
People keep skipping over the fact that bosk1 has been buying tons of drums and drum-related devices. He may be the chosen one! Or not...
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hi everyone. i just wanted to say i am not the new drummer for dream theater. I did not even heard of dream theater until someone ask me am i new drummer. sorry to disappoint you all. keep it metal.
AP
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Thanks.
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Well, since your email address is tom@thomaslang.com, I guess that seals the deal.
Waaahahah :rollin
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(https://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g98/ddtonfire/bosk.png)
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One thing is for certain, the band is making music and is in the studio.
(https://imgur.com/ADWz9.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/RjuaY.jpg)
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I saw the twitpics, that means JR is doing his regular twitter updates in studio. Without showing the drummer, but I can understand that.
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hi everyone. i just wanted to say i am not the new drummer for dream theater. I did not even heard of dream theater until someone ask me am i new drummer. sorry to disappoint you all. keep it metal.
AP
but you started off hangar, in part, as a DT cover band...must be amnesia.
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hi everyone. i just wanted to say i am not the new drummer for dream theater. I did not even heard of dream theater until someone ask me am i new drummer. sorry to disappoint you all. keep it metal.
AP
but you started off hangar, in part, as a DT cover band...must be amnesia.
https://www.hangar.mus.br/ing/bio.htm (https://www.hangar.mus.br/ing/bio.htm)
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but you started off hangar, in part, as a DT cover band...must be amnesia.
Hahaha, Got him
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What strikes me as more ironic is the fact that their new guy was formerly in a "Christian" band. Yeah, that'll be a good match.
I'd say about as good a match as a recovered alcoholic and drug-addict.
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It seems Thomas is gaining ground in the votes...................... :metal
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Nice pics!
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It seems Thomas is gaining ground in the votes...................... :metal
Don't think that means much though... People think that certain drummers have been ruled out, certain others cause a significant amount of anger when their names are mentioned, etc. Hell, we don't even know for sure who were the 7 who auditioned.
Unless DT are looking at this poll and will pick their drummer according to our preferences, I'd say who wins in the poll isn't an indication of what's to come...
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Hmm I'm not sure if it will be Lang, he seems to be promoting and posting lots of things on his band Stork on twitter a lot.
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Hmm I'm not sure if it will be Lang, he seems to be promoting and posting lots of things on his band Stork on twitter a lot.
Wow.. didn't knew about it.. listening to their myspace.. now i'm sure about the metal side of lang...
altho the news about him being in this band and promoting it right now is like a bath with cold water for me!!!
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I don't think Lang being in that band rules him out. The DT guys have sideprojects too. I guess Stork isn't hugely popular (unlike A7X) so he could be the new drummer.
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I think we can assume that after the Portnoy fiasco the guys will want someone full-time who is fully committed to THEM and ONLY them. That's not to say whoever it is isn't in the midst of finishing up some session work, though.
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I think we can assume that after the Portnoy fiasco the guys will want someone full-time who is fully committed to THEM and ONLY them. That's not to say whoever it is isn't in the midst of finishing up some session work, though.
I would not be surprised if the band made that a new requirement, not only for the new drummer, but for all of the members.
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I think we can assume that after the Portnoy fiasco the guys will want someone full-time who is fully committed to THEM and ONLY them. That's not to say whoever it is isn't in the midst of finishing up some session work, though.
I would not be surprised if the band made that a new requirement, not only for the new drummer, but for all of the members.
I actually really doubt that will happen. All of them have worked on side projects. That isn't going to change.
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The new drummer is probably.... Jordan's left hand. LOL .... kind of like that joke: "how many bass players does it take to screw in a light bulb? None - the keyboard player does it with his left hand." :lol
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I actually really doubt that will happen. All of them have worked on side projects. That isn't going to change.
Yeah, I agree - otherwise, LaBrie wouldn't be recording solo albums and playing with other musicians who are pretty much just as good as the guys in DT (Marco is AMAZING). James did say in a recent interview that they have a rule that, when they do side projects, DT HAS to be priority. No side project can interfere with DT.
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I don't think Lang being in that band rules him out. The DT guys have sideprojects too. I guess Stork isn't hugely popular (unlike A7X) so he could be the new drummer.
I think we can assume that after the Portnoy fiasco the guys will want someone full-time who is fully committed to THEM and ONLY them. That's not to say whoever it is isn't in the midst of finishing up some session work, though.
but the new guy has to work, earn money, pay bills, what if the legal issues take too long or doesn't get resolved at all?
is he already receiving salary? if he is not legaly part of the band how can he earn his living? or how does this work?
Tin
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I think it would be hilarious if Jordan's first twitpic of the new drummer is just a drumchair, nothing else.. :biggrin:
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Or maybe the drummer's ass and balls?:hat
God. I'm truly disturbed. :(
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I think it would be hilarious if Jordan's first twitpic of the new drummer is just a drumchair, nothing else.. :biggrin:
A drum chair with a little green globule on it...
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The new Dream Theater drummer... will not be seen tonight!
As we bring you this Queef Sisters Special!
*hooooorn*
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People that say they don't care are lying, bc if they didn't care, they wouldn't be on this forum every day checking for the new drummer, which they are.
The announcement is being delayed, I believe, because of sh*t flying behind the scenes. Lawyers, bitching...blah blah blah. Mangini is, probably, the new drummer. If not, it's a big surprise to pretty much everybody, even the frontrunners who thought it was Marco for the past month and changed their votes.
I bet Morgenstein when this thread had like 5 views. I'm one of the few who didn't change my vote. I'll admit it.
Still, in reality, it could be Lars Ulrich, and we don't know it.
Blabbermouth knows nothing, rumors mean nothing...you know the routine. Keep that in mind kthanx.
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I don't see how Kevin Moore could have so many votes. Silly people.
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I don't see how Kevin Moore could have so many votes. Silly people.
He's a wizard with a sequencer
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the changing votes is so annoying. minnemann back down. stick to your votes people
What's the use if you voted for someone who has certainly been ruled out?
I voted for Zeleny initially, but he has been permanently ruled out, that's when I changed it to Lang.
everything is wrong with it. The thread is place your bets. So you are wrong. Big deal. I picked minnemann the day this thread was made. And I'm not gonna change it even though he has been kinda ruled out.
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interesting tweet from Lang: "aquiles priester is not only a great drummer -- but a great guy. thanks for the hang." :lol
still hope it's Lang (simply because he is an amazing drummer and from Austria) but it won't be the end of the world for me if it's someone else.
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interesting tweet from Lang: "aquiles priester is not only a great drummer -- but a great guy. thanks for the hang." :lol
still hope it's Lang (simply because he is an amazing drummer and from Austria) but it won't be the end of the world for me if it's someone else.
Should've said thanks for the lang, right?
:facepalm:
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the changing votes is so annoying. minnemann back down. stick to your votes people
What's the use if you voted for someone who has certainly been ruled out?
I voted for Zeleny initially, but he has been permanently ruled out, that's when I changed it to Lang.
everything is wrong with it. The thread is place your bets. So you are wrong. Big deal. I picked minnemann the day this thread was made. And I'm not gonna change it even though he has been kinda ruled out.
OK, but I don't see it like that
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the changing votes is so annoying. minnemann back down. stick to your votes people
What's the use if you voted for someone who has certainly been ruled out?
I voted for Zeleny initially, but he has been permanently ruled out, that's when I changed it to Lang.
everything is wrong with it. The thread is place your bets. So you are wrong. Big deal. I picked minnemann the day this thread was made. And I'm not gonna change it even though he has been kinda ruled out.
OK, but I don't see it like that
Do you understand the concept of a bet?
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interesting tweet from Lang: "aquiles priester is not only Dream Theater' s new drummer -- but a great guy. thanks for the hang."
I think there's a hidden message somewhere there...not sure what though
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interesting tweet from Lang: "aquiles priester is not only Dream Theater' s new drummer -- but a great guy. thanks for the hang."
I think there's a hidden message somewhere there...not sure what though
lol
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Oh god, so if he's met Priester over in L.A that means neither of them are in the studio with DT at the moment. Ugh, it's seeming less likely that either of them. Who the f*ck is left that it can be? Well thousands of other people but crikey it seems everyone has been taken.
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Oh god, so if he's met Priester over in L.A that means neither of them are in the studio with DT at the moment. Ugh, it's seeming less likely that either of them.
Yes, seems like Lang was not in NY this week, at least not on 18 Jan. Proof is a post on twitter from a Berklee student:
"Just had the dopest schooling from @thomaslangdrum in beautiful California. I'm stoked to get shedding as soon as I'm home."
:smiley:
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Clearly it's Mike Mangini.
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Or maybe the new drummer is not in the studio yet...
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Clearly it's Mike Mangini.
Could be, he hasn't posted anything on facebook for about a week now.
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what about Horacio "El Negro" Hernandez? Someone mentioned on JP's facebook page that Horacio always says "Paciencia y Fé" at his concerts? Could this be a hint?
This guy is a world class jazz drummer and I really can't see him playing TOT material, but it would be awesome for sure ;D
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You know, I actually just looked the guy up. How exactly does a Latin jazz drummer fit into DT?
rumborak
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the changing votes is so annoying. minnemann back down. stick to your votes people
What's the use if you voted for someone who has certainly been ruled out?
I voted for Zeleny initially, but he has been permanently ruled out, that's when I changed it to Lang.
everything is wrong with it. The thread is place your bets. So you are wrong. Big deal. I picked minnemann the day this thread was made. And I'm not gonna change it even though he has been kinda ruled out.
OK, but I don't see it like that
Do you understand the concept of a bet?
Yes, but had the topic starter really wanted for everyone to bet, he wouldn't have made changing the choices possible now would he?
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Lars Ulrich. ;D I think he's in a band that he's happy with.
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You know, I actually just looked the guy up. How exactly does a Latin jazz drummer fit into DT?
He doesn't fit at all! Some folks on facebook mentioned his name because of JP's "paciencia y fe" comment, that's all. Seems like Hernandez is somehow known for this phrase ...I don't know.
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Or maybe the new drummer is not in the studio yet...
this is one thing i am afraid of. i really hope they aren't writing it entirely without a drummer, then having him come in later to figure parts out
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I've been watching youtube clips all morning and my original vote for Mike Mangini stands. I really hope it's him. Not only is he technically amazing, but he's a nut and a show off. And his sense of humor would be good for the band imo. Hope it's him, although it's probably someone not even on the list so not getting my hopes up too much.
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the changing votes is so annoying. minnemann back down. stick to your votes people
What's the use if you voted for someone who has certainly been ruled out?
I voted for Zeleny initially, but he has been permanently ruled out, that's when I changed it to Lang.
everything is wrong with it. The thread is place your bets. So you are wrong. Big deal. I picked minnemann the day this thread was made. And I'm not gonna change it even though he has been kinda ruled out.
OK, but I don't see it like that
Do you understand the concept of a bet?
Yes, but had the topic starter really wanted for everyone to bet, he wouldn't have made changing the choices possible now would he?
The topic starter eh, who's he when he's at home?
I genuinely don't care whether anyone changes their vote or no. I haven't changed it from the long-since-jossed Charlie Zeleny, 'cause that's how I'm choosing to play it.
If someone has chosen to change their vote, that's fine too. I was interested in how the results would change and mutate as the poll continued, and whether we could collectively predict the drummer with any real reliability.
Given the three-way-tieish-thing, I think the answer to the latter's a "no." But the results can change and mutate in whatever way the voter feels comfortable. Half the point is that it's up to you.
When it comes to it, it's a silly little game on a poxy wee message board full of the only people nerdy enough to check every day. I honestly do not mind how people choose to play it - it's not up to me to dictate how people want to distribute their tiny, meaningless slivers of data.
I actually quite like that it's split as to whether people are shifting vote or not... means that the candidates who were once probably but have since been written off still have a wee sliver of votes, but that as time progresses the choices do become stacked in an approximate order of probability.
Half the board are chasing the rumour-mill across the poll like it's a ball with a bell inside and switching their votes every five minutes. The other half are staunchly refusing to listen to reason and sticking with implausible options who've been written off months ago. We're all idiots, really.
Just... do as you please! Nobody's cheating. There aren't any rules, it's technically impossible to cheat. I would only really close the poll if some concrete, unquakable evidence came up. Until then... go nuts. Change your vote - everyone else is. Don't change your vote - I'm not. Who really cares? Enjoy life. Go outside. Read a book. Arrange some flowers. Sing a song. Cook an oyster. Beat up a pensioner for loose change. Anything - just don't waste your time worrying about how some stranger who's halfway across the planet has chosen to vote on a poll. Rubbish thing to spend five minutes of your life doing.
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You're saying "wee" a lot today, Rob. Have you turned Scottish? :biggrin:
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Ha! Whoops. In my defence I do use the word a lot in speech, but I have absolutely no idea why I've started typing it.
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Wee
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rob, can i still post-in/follow the thread without casting a vote at all? we can play it that way too, right!?
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rob, can i still post-in/follow the thread without casting a vote at all? we can play it that way too, right!?
You can die in a fucking fire is what you can do.
...nah, really, it's fine by me!
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Or maybe the new drummer is not in the studio yet...
this is one thing i am afraid of. i really hope they aren't writing it entirely without a drummer, then having him come in later to figure parts out
Knowing what JP and JR did without drums in An Evening with JP+JR, I would not be afraid, but rather cautiously excited.
rumborak
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I still think Mark Zonder is the darkhorse. Obviously I was one of a few. any thoughts?
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You can die in a fucking fire is what you can do.
...nah, really, it's fine by me!
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insert fist pump smiley
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also...zonder would be cool...i kinda thought he had been "ruled out" at some point though.
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Just thought it was a little bit funny with some discussion in this thread. Here is Thomas Lang's latest tweet.
"aquiles priester is not only a great drummer -- but a great guy. thanks for the hang.
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Ted Kirkpatrick, yeah!
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I still think Mark Zonder is the darkhorse. Obviously I was one of a few. any thoughts?
Zonder is amazing, he is more than capable. I would love to see him in DT actually.
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Ted Kirkpatrick, yeah!
Hell yeah, Kirkpatrick garners his third vote! Definitely gaining momentum; it must be him!!! Obligatory links:
https://www.myspace.com/video/vid/26631614
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3IxNy4QIa4&feature=related
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I still think Mark Zonder is the darkhorse. Obviously I was one of a few. any thoughts?
Zonder is amazing, he is more than capable. I would love to see him in DT actually.
Hasn't Zonder already said he didn't audition?
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Random fan: @JPetrucci @Jcrudess @Piratecjs With the weather outside, would be good day to stay inside and name new a drummer *cough* #DreamTheater
JLB's response: @John_F_Fewer @JPetrucci @Jcrudess Sure but then I'd have to kill you.
JLB is adorable :heart
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Random fan: @JPetrucci @Jcrudess @Piratecjs With the weather outside, would be good day to stay inside and name new a drummer *cough* #DreamTheater
JLB's response: @John_F_Fewer @JPetrucci @Jcrudess Sure but then I'd have to kill you.
JLB is adorable :heart
If I was gay, JLB would be my man crush
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I still think Mark Zonder is the darkhorse. Obviously I was one of a few. any thoughts?
Zonder is amazing, he is more than capable. I would love to see him in DT actually.
Hasn't Zonder already said he didn't audition?
I dont know. There is so much rumor and speculation. Noone even knows "The Seven" who did audition (if that is even true)
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I still think Mark Zonder is the darkhorse. Obviously I was one of a few. any thoughts?
Zonder is amazing, he is more than capable. I would love to see him in DT actually.
Hasn't Zonder already said he didn't audition?
I dont know. There is so much rumor and speculation. Noone even knows "The Seven" who did audition (if that is even true)
Actually, the band members have said on numerous occasions that it was seven drummers who auditioned.
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I just hope DT tells us everyone who auditioned. That would be great to know
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What if they were to announce the seven who auditioned and each week eliminate one of them until we were left with the new drummer. :corn
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A tournament of sorts. Except that it's already rigged in their favor
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turn it into an apprentice reality show. Every episode a guy gets the boot until, drum roll, the final rose, I mean anouncement. Trump and Jeff Probst walk out and fire the loser and hires the winner. Dt gains great notoriety and the album goes tripple platinum. And we all rejoice and put this thread to rest and go on to enjoy the new album and drummer.
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I just hope DT tells us who the new drummer is. That would be great to know
FTFY
Oh and a DT drummer reality show was one of the first things I mentioned! (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16394.msg626353#msg626353)
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I just hope DT tells us everyone who auditioned. That would be great to know
Seems like that could embarrass the six guys who didn't make it. It wouldn't necessarily mean that they weren't better drummers, but I can see people taking it that way.
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I just hope DT tells us everyone who auditioned. That would be great to know
Am I wrong in thinking that I read somewhere that they were filming the auditions for the next CD's special edition? Or was that just speculation?
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Or maybe the new drummer is not in the studio yet...
This is what I'm thinking...
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Arrrrgh. Agghh.
You guys, I can't take this anymore, this is bullcrap.
I'm going to freeze myself, someone has to unfreeze me 3 months from now when the new drummer is out.
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Or maybe the new drummer is not in the studio yet...
This is what I'm thinking...
Why?
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Because I'm looking into the clues too much. :biggrin: Most of the drummers that we're betting on are tweeting about doing other stuff at the moment, so who could be in the studio?
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Because I'm looking into the clues too much. :biggrin: Most of the drummers that we're betting on are tweeting about doing other stuff at the moment, so who could be in the studio?
John Mac
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Because I'm looking into the clues too much. :biggrin: Most of the drummers that we're betting on are tweeting about doing other stuff at the moment, so who could be in the studio?
John Mac
I would very much like Johnny Mac to be the new drummer, but a few pages back, someone claiming he is friends with him wrote that he didn't even audition. Don't know if it's true though.
B.Lee
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Arrrrgh. Agghh.
You guys, I can't take this anymore, this is bullcrap.
I'm going to freeze myself, someone has to unfreeze me 3 months from now when the new drummer is out.
Maybe we won't know even in 3 months from now!
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Isn't John Mac in the studio with ARK or going to be?
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Isn't John Mac in the studio with ARK or going to be?
ARK is back working on a new album. I will be traveling to Europe to work, but will also be working in New York. I will be available for gigs of all sorts, clinics, sessions, lessons and more. Please contact me if interested in working with me at johnnymacdrums@gmail.com or send me a message on Facebook or YouTube.com.
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Also: Staying in New York! New gigs, things are good. I will be working with Tore and ARK, writing online for now. We will be recording album hopefully soon enough. Sorry for the slow process but well worth it. So I am around for Lessons, sessions, gigs, clinics etc.
Being in DT, would he have the time to do all this and be fully committed to writing a new album, especially with two bands plus lessons etc. ??? Hmmmm
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How about Mangini and the projects he is working on right now?
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I'm curious as to why we are still thinking its one of the original 7 names. I feel like there is a all this evidence ruling out every name on that original list of people. I feel like that original list of people was false to begin with. What if all the drummers we've been speculating on didn't even audition in the first place? I feel like we've overlooked the original list and are giving the rumor of that list too much credit. It could very well be someone we haven't mentioned yet.
That list is not confirmed as the truth.
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I'm curious as to why we are still thinking its one of the original 7 names. I feel like there is a all this evidence ruling out every name on that original list of people. I feel like that original list of people was false to begin with. What if all the drummers we've been speculating on didn't even audition in the first place? I feel like we've overlooked the original list and are giving the rumor of that list too much credit. It could very well be someone we haven't mentioned yet.
That list is not confirmed as the truth.
where did the original seven names come from anyway? did someone just make up a list?
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I'm curious as to why we are still thinking its one of the original 7 names. I feel like there is a all this evidence ruling out every name on that original list of people. I feel like that original list of people was false to begin with. What if all the drummers we've been speculating on didn't even audition in the first place? I feel like we've overlooked the original list and are giving the rumor of that list too much credit. It could very well be someone we haven't mentioned yet.
That list is not confirmed as the truth.
where did the original seven names come from anyway? did someone just make up a list?
Blabbermouth, I think.
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Wasn't Blabbermouth's list based on speculation though?
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I'm curious as to why we are still thinking its one of the original 7 names. I feel like there is a all this evidence ruling out every name on that original list of people. I feel like that original list of people was false to begin with. What if all the drummers we've been speculating on didn't even audition in the first place? I feel like we've overlooked the original list and are giving the rumor of that list too much credit. It could very well be someone we haven't mentioned yet.
That list is not confirmed as the truth.
where did the original seven names come from anyway? did someone just make up a list?
Blabbermouth, I think.
I think SteveTheater listed 5, and the other two he did not know.
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Exactly so its all rumors and speculation from the start. For all we know that original list was a red herring.
(https://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/kingshighway77/aherring.jpg)
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This is slightly off topic, but I have a brief story about this. I've been horribly sick with the flu since yesterday morning (feeling OK at the moment)... anyway, Im sure you are all aware that when you have the flu, delirious dream-like hallucinations occur. I was actually tortured last night (drifing in and out of sleep) with digesting the "news" that Minneman was announced as DTs drummer. For some reason, I thought I read this somewhere, and that there were tons of legal issues that had to be figured out in terms of him being the drummer. And of course, I had to solve these legal issues. I even remember thinking "wait a minute, did this actually even happen" and coming to the conclusion "I am 95% sure I read this on DTF, so yeah, this announcement happened".
Upon checking DTF this morning, I of course realize that my disease addled brain had completely fabricated this... god damn it.
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:lol Welcome to the club man. I've done this like three times since October in various ways.
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This is slightly off topic, but I have a brief story about this. I've been horribly sick with the flu since yesterday morning (feeling OK at the moment)... anyway, Im sure you are all aware that when you have the flu, delirious dream-like hallucinations occur. I was actually tortured last night (drifing in and out of sleep) with digesting the "news" that Minneman was announced as DTs drummer. For some reason, I thought I read this somewhere, and that there were tons of legal issues that had to be figured out in terms of him being the drummer. And of course, I had to solve these legal issues. I even remember thinking "wait a minute, did this actually even happen" and coming to the conclusion "I am 95% sure I read this on DTF, so yeah, this announcement happened".
Upon checking DTF this morning, I of course realize that my disease addled brain had completely fabricated this... god damn it.
Hahaha.
I know what you mean, I get that sometimes while sleeping if there's something really stressful going on.
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*LAWYERED!*
That sounds great and all but I think everyone wants to believe that we're just gonna know the name of the drummer once the album is done and in our hands, and read the credits by our selves (for those of us who know how to read -the others will just see the pictures).
Guess I'll be screwed, since I don't usually buy physical product anymore. :)
ONOES ILL NEVER KNO DA NEUE DRUMA IZ?!?!?!?
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Twenty bucks says it's February and we still don't know.
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Twenty bucks says it's February and we still don't know.
Well, it's not February, so hand over the cash buddy
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Twenty bucks says it's February and we still don't know.
Well, it's not February, so hand over the cash buddy
:lol
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Thomas Lang Just posted this:
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Official Thomas Lang
we will be announcing some drum camps soon !!!! any guesses on WHERE???
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So it looks like he will have drum camps soon. Probably won't be playing with DT.
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Thomas Lang Just posted this:
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Official Thomas Lang
we will be announcing some drum camps soon !!!! any guesses on WHERE???
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So it looks like he will have drum camps soon. Probably won't be playing with DT.
Not necessarily... if the camps are, say, 2-6 months from now, this would be after the studio sessions are done and before any touring in support of the album. Right?
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Thomas Lang Just posted this:
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Official Thomas Lang
we will be announcing some drum camps soon !!!! any guesses on WHERE???
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So it looks like he will have drum camps soon. Probably won't be playing with DT.
The camps lasts 3 days... It doesn't really say anything
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Thomas Lang Just posted this:
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Official Thomas Lang
we will be announcing some drum camps soon !!!! any guesses on WHERE???
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So it looks like he will have drum camps soon. Probably won't be playing with DT.
The camps lasts 3 days... It doesn't really say anything
Except, he said at the end of 2010 that there would be many camps in 2011 and outside the United States.
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So... probably it's not Lang, many people say that it can't be Minnemann and Mangini has said that he's really busy with other things. I think we should reconsider the Aquiles Priester option! (INB4 Adami says something about Weckl again)
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So... probably it's not Lang, many people say that it can't be Minnemann and Mangini has said that he's really busy with other things. I think we should reconsider the Aquiles Priester option! (INB4 Adami says something about Weckl again)
:lol
by the way Priester is in Brazil at the moment!
twitter: I am travelling by car in Brazil listening to Stork from @thomaslangdrum He is definitely over the top... Outstanding! And a very nice Guy!
At least he has good taste in music :biggrin:
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https://www.berklee.edu/faculty/list/searchType/department?department=76&commit=View (https://www.berklee.edu/faculty/list/searchType/department?department=76&commit=View)
Looks like Mike Mangini isn't listed as a prof anymore.
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Yeah, we've known that for quite some time, but apparently that doesn't mean anything.
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Yeah, we've known that for quite some time, but apparently that doesn't mean anything.
I really don't want it to be manginni :(!!! altho if they choose him i'll support them.
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Yeah, we've known that for quite some time, but apparently that doesn't mean anything.
I really don't want it to be manginni :(!!! altho if they choose him i'll support them.
Same here. Nothing in what I've seen from Mangini has kept me interested : technical, fast...and that's all! Will i support them nevertheless? Don't know.
B.Lee
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Yeah, we've known that for quite some time, but apparently that doesn't mean anything.
I really don't want it to be manginni :(!!! altho if they choose him i'll support them.
Same here. Nothing in what I've seen from Mangini has kept me interested : technical, fast...and that's all! Will i support them nevertheless? Don't know.
B.Lee
You wouldn't suport a band it they get a drummer you don't like even if you've followed them all your life? Makes no sense.
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The whole 'who's the drummer thing' reminds me more and more of Harper's Island. Each episode you think you'd found out who the killer was, and the person you thought as the killer would die in the next episode.
This is the case here. When everything points to a certain person, he gets a gig with some unknown band or is at another place or has programmed other things for 2011 or...
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I'm thinking the Other category looks pretty good right about now. I have a feeling the original list really was not reliable.
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Which one of the guys used to play drums when they did their Nightmare Cinema thing? I predict it's him.
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Petrucci on drums
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Yeah, we've known that for quite some time, but apparently that doesn't mean anything.
I really don't want it to be manginni :(!!! altho if they choose him i'll support them.
Same here. Nothing in what I've seen from Mangini has kept me interested : technical, fast...and that's all! Will i support them nevertheless? Don't know.
B.Lee
You wouldn't suport a band it they get a drummer you don't like even if you've followed them all your life? Makes no sense.
Agreed i just dont understand comments like this
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The longer it goes with no announcement the more I have a feeling that it's going to be something more complicated than "Bob Smith is our new drummer." Like they'll have a touring guy and a studio guy, or multiple guys that they're working with for both, or something computerized.
I don't know how the whole industry works, but if they picked a guy a month and a half ago and they want to tell everyone who it is, what could the label possibly delaying the announcement this long for?
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The longer it goes with no announcement the more I have a feeling that it's going to be something more complicated than "Bob Smith is our new drummer." Like they'll have a touring guy and a studio guy, or multiple guys that they're working with for both, or something computerized.
I don't know how the whole industry works, but if they picked a guy a month and a half ago and they want to tell everyone who it is, what could the label possibly delaying the announcement this long for?
I can see two options. (not that i'm right)
1. A lawsuit from MP about royalties and name
2. A work visa permit which usually takes 3 - 4 months.. if USA deny the visa he can't be the new drummer
PS. even if he doesn't have a work visa permit approved yet... he does can be in the USA in the studio making demos with a tourist visa.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as royalties for the DT name, if there are at least 3 founding members still present in the band, there is no lawsuit at hand. I heard this somewhere, but can't remember where. Anyone else know if this is right??
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What I don't get wkiml, is the hard stance when we haven't heard one note from the new CD.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as royalties for the DT name, if there are at least 3 founding members still present in the band, there is no lawsuit at hand. I heard this somewhere, but can't remember where. Anyone else know if this is right??
Possibly... but there are only two, nowadays.
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1. A lawsuit from MP about royalties and name
2. A work visa permit which usually takes 3 - 4 months.. if USA deny the visa he can't be the new drummer
Wrong on both counts, as has been thoroughly discussed earlier in the thread.
Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as royalties for the DT name, if there are at least 3 founding members still present in the band, there is no lawsuit at hand. I heard this somewhere, but can't remember where. Anyone else know if this is right??
I'm not sure exactly what you have in mind that you might have heard, but I can tell you for certain that there is no lawsuit. Once you file a suit, it is public record, so there would be no debate if a lawsuit had actually been filed.
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i know there's no lawsuit, just mentioning that there is some law about band names and such and i thought it was that if there were 3 founding members still in the band then the name stays or something like that. in no way am i suggesting there is one or will be. just wanted to know if anyone knew anything about this. plus, IF it were to happen, MP quit on his own accord, how can he really sue for royalties or bc of the name??
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Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as royalties for the DT name, if there are at least 3 founding members still present in the band, there is no lawsuit at hand. I heard this somewhere, but can't remember where. Anyone else know if this is right??
Well.. i'm just speculating, is not that i know about the business or something. altho it could be that the name was brought by mike's dad. or maybe mike is not happy about the royalties % they want to pay him for the material when he was a member (air play, sells etc) of any of the previous albums. or he wants some of the royalties when the band play one of his songs live.. i don't know.
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TL to announce some drumming boot camp dates.
EDIT: Sorry, didn't see this was already discussed.
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2 Founding members left.
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Yeah, we've known that for quite some time, but apparently that doesn't mean anything.
I really don't want it to be manginni :(!!! altho if they choose him i'll support them.
Same here. Nothing in what I've seen from Mangini has kept me interested : technical, fast...and that's all! Will i support them nevertheless? Don't know.
B.Lee
You wouldn't suport a band it they get a drummer you don't like even if you've followed them all your life? Makes no sense.
It makes perfect sense : I didn't like the last 3 albums. What got me interested again is the fact that MP left. Now, if they get a drummer I'm not interested in in the least, I don't see why I will still support them. And no, I've not followed them all my life, too old for that! :)
As of late, I've been much more interested in JLB's solo career.
B.Lee
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Yeah, we've known that for quite some time, but apparently that doesn't mean anything.
I really don't want it to be manginni :(!!! altho if they choose him i'll support them.
Same here. Nothing in what I've seen from Mangini has kept me interested : technical, fast...and that's all! Will i support them nevertheless? Don't know.
B.Lee
You wouldn't suport a band it they get a drummer you don't like even if you've followed them all your life? Makes no sense.
Agreed i just dont understand comments like this
See my answer above, it makes perefct sense to me.
B.Lee
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What makes even more sense is you have no idea whether the drummer is the right one until you hear him with the band. What counts is not the name or what the drummer did previously, but what magic happens when that drummer gets behind the kit and jams with the guys.
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What makes even more sense is you have no idea whether the drummer is the right one until you hear him with the band. What counts is not the name or what the drummer did previously, but what magic happens when that drummer gets behind the kit and jams with the guys.
Very true. Very true indeed.
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Very well said Joe. I'm still pretty excited about a new album, whoever the drummer is.
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I'm still pretty excited about a new album, whoever the drummer is.
This exactly.
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I'm gonna give them a chance before making any judgement and listen to the album, I'm not that square-minded. Yet, I'm less excited when i think of Mangini as the new drumer.
B.Lee
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Arrrrgh. Agghh.
You guys, I can't take this anymore, this is bullcrap.
I'm going to freeze myself, someone has to unfreeze me 3 months from now when the new drummer is out.
... or is not. ;D
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Arrrrgh. Agghh.
You guys, I can't take this anymore, this is bullcrap.
I'm going to freeze myself, someone has to unfreeze me 3 months from now when the new drummer is out.
... or is not. ;D
not :'( ;D
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Arrrrgh. Agghh.
You guys, I can't take this anymore, this is bullcrap.
I'm going to freeze myself, someone has to unfreeze me 3 months from now when the new drummer is out.
... or is not. ;D
not :'( ;D
Science help us...
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I guess now that the obvious opportunity of announcement, the Tarrytown gig, has passed, the time window for it is essentially infinite. Meaning, it could be weeks or months from now on.
rumborak
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Yeah when people suggested they'd wait until a song was released, I thought it ridiculous, but it's starting to look possible.
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We need to get someone in DT to slip and confirm that the new drummer is or isnt in the studio yet.
That would be pretty telling at this point.
My guess is that the new guy isnt there yet for some reason. Just a feeling.
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I am not in the studio.
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We need to get someone in DT to slip and confirm that the new drummer is or isnt in the studio yet.
That would be pretty telling at this point.
My guess is that the new guy isnt there yet for some reason. Just a feeling.
Pretty sure that the drummer is not in the studio.... there is no way that they can hide a face for 3 or 4 months.... They are just working on the songs until the drummer joins the studio and hopefully we can get an official announcement!
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I still really doubt they'd write an album and go into the studio and work on it without having a drummer present. Really doubt it that the drummer wouldn't be in on the sessions. The drums are kind of a big part of the music.
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DT are probably just getting warmed up in the studio if the drummer isn't there yet. If he is there, then obviously they probably feeling his style out and they're jamming.
I also think it's a longshot that they're writing music without him. Did they not say, before or after the auditions, that their criteria for choosing the drummer was more than "he should be able to play MP's parts from all the releases so far"?
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It's definitely possible that the guys are just getting some ideas for riffs and lyrics down before the drummer comes into the studio, at which point they'll start constructing the full songs. I hope the drummer is there, jamming with the guys, but I would not be surprised in the least if he isn't.
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That's what I'm thinking really. They're assembling ideas and riffs that they can try out with a fuller setup later.
rumborak
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Why would they be paying for studio time then? All that can be done at home. Just doesn't really make much sense to me. It's possible they are just getting their gear ready/getting sounds ready, but the drums take the longest to get sounds for anyways so you'd think they'd get started on that as well.
I have a feeling the drummer is there and that its someone who we haven't really been speculating on.
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I have a feeling the drummer is there and that its someone who we haven't really been speculating on.
Weckl...oh wait, Adami already called it so it can't be him.
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I have a feeling the drummer is there and that its someone who we haven't really been speculating on.
i real candidate (read: not weckl) comes to mind...
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Why would they be paying for studio time then? All that can be done at home. Just doesn't really make much sense to me.
Well, if the place was rented long in advance, i.e. maybe even with MP initially, and now they had the choice of using the space or losing the money.
rumborak
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With all these JR special shows and appearances, are DT even in the studio now? If so, how can they get down to business with in-store this, and speaking appearance that?
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It's possible. But why wouldn't they have their drummer come too? I just feel like it is more likely the guy is there with them.
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With all these JR special shows and appearances, are DT even in the studio now? If so, how can they get down to business with in-store this, and speaking appearance that?
They don't sit in the studio 24/7 lol.
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Until someone from the band says that the drummer isn't yet in the studio, then I am assuming that he is. They've never worked piecemeal like that before.
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Until someone from the band says that the drummer isn't yet in the studio, then I am assuming that he is.
Same here.
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With all these JR special shows and appearances, are DT even in the studio now? If so, how can they get down to business with in-store this, and speaking appearance that?
They don't sit in the studio 24/7 lol.
The NY show would've obviously been easy to get to, but they would've had to prepare for it some. Plus Jordan had his appearance at NAMM and will have one at MacWorld which are both in California.
Sounds like John, John, and the drummer are the driving forces so far. Not that that's a bad thing.
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bosk1 IS in the studio. And he's directing the new songs. He made his own inspiration corner for the guys, consisting of "Summertime Girls" from Y&T, and Megadeth's Risk.
Beware.
p.s. he's also the new drummer's tech, so he's walking around with drumsticks constantly.
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bosk1 IS in the studio. And he's directing the new songs. He made his own inspiration corner for the guys, consisting of "Summertime Girls" from Y&T, and Megadeth's Risk.
Beware.
p.s. he's also the new drummer's tech, so he's walking around with drumsticks constantly.
I'll believe it when I see bosk1 with a neck beard. :lol
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With all these JR special shows and appearances, are DT even in the studio now? If so, how can they get down to business with in-store this, and speaking appearance that?
They don't sit in the studio 24/7 lol.
The NY show would've obviously been easy to get to, but they would've had to prepare for it some. Plus Jordan had his appearance at NAMM and will have one at MacWorld which are both in California.
Sounds like John, John, and the drummer are the driving forces so far. Not that that's a bad thing.
I think Jordan and John P. will be the dribing forces on the new album no matter what.
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They've never worked piecemeal like that before.
True, but they're also in a situation that they've never been in before. There's no reason they couldn't change things up, especially if finalising the details with the new drummer/label/etc is taking longer than expected.
Why would they be paying for studio time then? All that can be done at home. Just doesn't really make much sense to me.
Well, if the place was rented long in advance, i.e. maybe even with MP initially, and now they had the choice of using the space or losing the money.
rumborak
That's my thinking as well, the plan was to go in January so the studio time was presumably booked already.
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Piratizing in the studio today. https://plixi.com/p/72482100
So JLB is indeed in the studio. That makes 4/5 of the band confirmed to be there.
(strange reflection on the mirror noticed - who is that? :p)
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(strange reflection on the mirror noticed - who is that? :p)
He looks bald... :omg: it's Phil Collins! Or Jason Bonham!
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(strange reflection on the mirror noticed - who is that? :p)
He looks bald... :omg: it's Phil Collins! Or Jason Bonham!
or Jordan Rudess!!! :omg:
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Jordan who?
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I don't know some guy that plays like the computer or something.
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I don't know some guy that plays like the computer or something.
:lol
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In the reflection it looks like there's someone to the right of who I think is JR.
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Thomas Lang news: his nex boot camp will be in Germany April 11th - 13th.
This probapbly means nothing, , but it seems like his next boot camps will be outside US.
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A bald man on the refelction? Look, Johnn Macaluso has had close-cropped hair recently : from close-cropped to bald, ther's only one step. I know now, it's John Macaluso the new drummer. John MACALUSO! JOHN MACALUSO! YEAAAAHHHH!!!
Wait, what happened? It was just a dream? Oh, nose! :'( ;D
B.Lee
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I don't know some guy that plays like the computer or something.
Kevin Moore, on drum machine.
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bosk1 IS in the studio. And he's directing the new songs. He made his own inspiration corner for the guys, consisting of "Summertime Girls" from Y&T, and Megadeth's Risk.
Beware.
p.s. he's also the new drummer's tech, so he's walking around with drumsticks constantly.
Sounds good to me!!! :metal
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It's amazing how everyone makes fun of me. I feel not in the slightest bit liked.
and he has not returned since.
We know your not thin skinned so where the hell are you?
:tick2:
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Hell yeah, James is in there. :metal
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It's amazing how everyone makes fun of me. I feel not in the slightest bit liked.
and he has not returned since.
We know your not thin skinned so where the hell are you?
:tick2:
I was wondering where he was. :(
That last post doesn't instill confidence in me.
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It's amazing how everyone makes fun of me. I feel not in the slightest bit liked.
and he has not returned since.
We know your not thin skinned so where the hell are you?
:tick2:
I was wondering where he was. :(
That last post doesn't instill confidence in me.
I thought his comment was funny- alittle bit of irony- but now that you mention it, i hope everything is right for him and he didn't take all that was said too seriously. :-[
B.Lee
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It's amazing how everyone makes fun of me. I feel not in the slightest bit liked.
and he has not returned since.
We know your not thin skinned so where the hell are you?
:tick2:
I was wondering where he was. :(
That last post doesn't instill confidence in me.
I thought his comment was funny- alittle bit of irony- but now that you mention it, i hope everything is right for him and he didn't take all that was said too seriously. :-[
B.Lee
Nevermind.
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Well, if the place was rented long in advance, i.e. maybe even with MP initially, and now they had the choice of using the space or losing the money.
rumborak
That's my thinking as well, the plan was to go in January so the studio time was presumably booked already.
My latest thinking is, they got the guy, but he had to fulfill some previous commitments. DT had the studio set up, so they said "you know, we're gonna hash some stuff out in the studio, and later you will join us."
rumborak
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That's a plausible scenario. And while jamming with a drum machine (or, at times, without drums at all) isn't ideal, it's certainly workable if that's what you have to do. They certainly wouldn't be the first band do to that.
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So, considering all of this is possible we are kind of back to square 1 right? I mean, it is still possible that Minnemann or Mangini got the gig but they are fulfilling previous commitments?
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:rollin James is hilarious. :lol
@Piratecjs aaarrrgghh!! Who is the new drummer??!! If u don't tell me I will kill a load of canaries. The death of fluffy birds is on you!!!
Piratecjs: @moanerforlife Bye, bye little birdies.
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So, considering all of this is possible we are kind of back to square 1 right? I mean, it is still possible that Minnemann or Mangini got the gig but they are fulfilling previous commitments?
Yup. It could be still be any of those guys.
In fact, anybody who is currently not doing anything is actually less likely to be the guy.
rumborak
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So, considering all of this is possible we are kind of back to square 1 right? I mean, it is still possible that Minnemann or Mangini got the gig but they are fulfilling previous commitments?
IMO, Minnemann is NOT still a possibility. We've gotten as close to a definitive "no" as we possibly could on him. Others, maybe. But, again, we don't KNOW one way or the other whether the drummer is even in the studio. He may very well be. We're just assuming he isn't because the band hasn't said he is. But given that the band is trying to avoid discussing drummer issues until they announce who it is, it is not suprising that they haven't mentioned whether or not he is with them.
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The reason why I'm thinking the drummer is joining later is because I find it so exceedingly unlikely that they would work with the guy in the studio, but make no announcement and take pictures of everybody but the guy. What possible reason could there be? I can only think of one, that there's no drummer in the studio.
rumborak
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If they can't announce it yet, for the reasons already stated, then of course they wouldn't take pictures of him. And the other few pics we've seen are random individual shots. It's not like they've taken group studio pics and pasted a black bar over where a drummer would be.
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The other factor is, if they actually had the drummer come in on a daily basis, even if DT won't talk about it, that stuff would just have to leak. It only takes the pizza guy to get a quick glance at him or whatever.
Just like with conspiracy theories, I find the easiest explanation is most likely the best.
rumborak
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IMO, Minnemann is NOT still a possibility. We've gotten as close to a definitive "no" as we possibly could on him.
Did Minnemann say so himself and I missed something? Or is this coming from the guy in the band he's gonna record drums for?
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But since there is no conspiracy, the easiest explanation is simply that nobody has said anything because either (1) they know how to follow instructions and not say anything, and/or (2) they simply don't care who the new drummer is. Sure, it's more fun to imagine undercover ninja spy pizza guys actually coming into the studio instead of the more common scenario of the pizza guy leaving the pizza at the front desk, but at some point we have to just acknowledge the fact that if we're going down that road, we're just making things up.
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But since there is no conspiracy, the easiest explanation is simply that nobody has said anything because either (1) they know how to follow instructions and not say anything, and/or (2) they simply don't care who the new drummer is.
Well, the "conspiracy" part here would be that yes, there has been a drummer coming in and leaving the studio for the last two weeks but
a) he's been held out of the public eye completely
b) DT doesn't talk about it
c) the studio staff doesn't leak
The "easier" explanation IMHO is, only the drummer, DT and management actually know who he is, but he is currently busy with other stuff.
rumborak
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a) he's been held out of the public eye completely
Easy. Recording studios are fairly private environments, which is why we DON'T typically see tons of photos, videos, and recordings hit the press every time popular band X goes into a recording studio somewhere.
b) DT doesn't talk about it
Easy again. We know for certain that they know and they they don't talk about it.
c) the studio staff doesn't leak
Once again, easy. Studio staff understand that they aren't supposed to leak information. Otherwise, again, you'd have studio staff all over the place taking pics, video, and audio recordings and selling them to the highest bidder every time a popular band went into the studio. And yet, it never happens. (well, almost never)
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It's not like they've taken group studio pics and pasted a black bar over where a drummer would be.
Although that would be hilarious.
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hi guys. i just wanted to say to you all i am not in studio now.
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hi guys. i just wanted to say to you all i am not in studio now.
:rollin
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The "easier" explanation IMHO is, only the drummer, DT and management actually know who he is, but he is currently busy with other stuff.
rumborak
That is also what I think.
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hi guys. i just wanted to say to you all i am not in studio now.
What about now? It's 10 minutes later!!
rumborak
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no. but i can not vouch for charlie dominici's whereabouts.
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Well, Charlie has been standing outside the studio doors for every album, we all know that.
rumborak
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Well, Charlie has been standing outside the studio doors for every album, we all know that.
rumborak
:lol
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Anyone down for camping outside the studio and trying to sneak a peak?
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My seven possible "world class drummers" are:
Marco Minnemann
Thomas Lang
John Macaluso
Virgil Donati
Glen Sobel (for those who doesn't know, check out Tony Macalpine's "Madness")
Kevin Soffera (for those who doesn't know, check out Greg Howe's "Instropection")
Gary Wallis (secondary percussionist for Pink Floyd in the post-Waters era for live performances)
Morgenstein, Bozzio, Smith, Bissonette, Anur, Phillips... Are awesome but too old for the band.
Castronovo, Peart, Garrison... 1st class too, but wouldn't leave their bands.
I don't like Mike Mangini. Don't ask me why.
And Meg White is... Meg White.
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Meg would be awesome :metal
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Maybe the new drummer is entering and leaving the studio dressed as the ninja pizza guy.
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I have not been authorized to confirm nor deny that assertion.
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And yet you acknowledge it.
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Maybe the new drummer is entering and leaving the studio dressed as the ninja pizza guy.
he's been entering and leaving the studio dressed as a taco bell delivery guy with a fake mustache and mexican hat.
P.S. Be careful.. he is wearing water pistols filled with mustard and if he sees you taking pictures of him to post here in the forum (to confirm he is the new drummer) he will shoot into your camera lenses.
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The reason why I'm thinking the drummer is joining later is because I find it so exceedingly unlikely that they would work with the guy in the studio, but make no announcement and take pictures of everybody but the guy. What possible reason could there be? I can only think of one, that there's no drummer in the studio.
rumborak
Maybe they don't want to post any picture of the guy in studio and just wait until the DVD of all the seven who auditioned is ready. They might be saving the hype for when the album is released.
Picture it: we don't know who the guy is, so DT along with RR plan to record the album without releasing the name of the drummer. Once the album is finished and the DVD is ready they release the product to the public. Hundreds and thousands buy the album, they see the process of selection, they see the new drummer. They next listen to the album. Profit!
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Frankly, I don't think that "drummer DVD" is happening. Those things were MP stuff.
rumborak
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Frankly, I don't think that "drummer DVD" is happening. Those thing were MP stuff.
I asked this earlier in the thread but I don't think my question was answered. Was the idea of such a DVD just wishful thinking, or was there actually any basis to it? I have a vague feeling it was the latter but I'm probably just crazy.
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Why would JLB or JP have said that then? If the "drummer DVD" is not happening or wasn't remarkably possible to do they should have stayed quiet and after the release of DT11 say something like: "Yeah, we did consider that... but it didn't happen. You know, the guy who used to do that is not with us anymore. lol."
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Was there any public statement by any member regarding that DVD? So far I was under the impression that this whole idea was born out of wishful thinking.
rumborak
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I know that it is somewhere between these 76 pages.
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So far I was under the impression that this whole idea was born out of wishful thinking.
rumborak
My recollection is that you are correct.
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Was there any public statement by any member regarding that DVD? So far I was under the impression that this whole idea was born out of wishful thinking.
rumborak
I think it was a SteveTheater rumour along with the drummer auditionees.
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Love it. ITT one can witness the slow transition from an idea to a rumor to a supposed fact. :lol
rumborak
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"Slow?" There are pages where you see the complete transformation within about 5 posts. :lol
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You're saying that Dave Weckl is the new drummer?
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Hahaha. So true. I also have the impression that it was wishful thinking. I'd go over the 76 pages to find it but I'm leaving the office in 10 mins. Maybe later...
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Guys, I can't believe you haven't noticed that they have already confirmed in this thread the name of the new drummer.
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They really can't wait to the release of DT11. They've said soon too many times, for them to announce it when the record is done. Around the release is as far from "soon" as possible
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Guys, I can't believe you haven't noticed that they have already confirmed in this thread the name of the new drummer.
Dave Weckl :smiley:
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Guys, I can't believe you haven't noticed that they have already confirmed in this thread the name of the new drummer.
Dave Weckl :smiley:
bosk1.
Book it. Go to Vegas, put down tons of dough.
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What if the new drummer was among us, posting in this thread?
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Had a dream about the new drummer again! the audition was opened to public and final contenders were Vadrum and some other Asian guy that i didn't recognize... it was mind blowing (at least in my dream haha) and this two guys were hanging out with the people just wating for the announcement of who won and then i woke up...
Damn i'm getting really frustrated with all this :@
so.. i thought today in the morning, that maybe roadrunner want to put a dvd together of the searching of the new drummer and everything and they want to make the announcement with the release of the dvd and maybe thats what the "waiting for management and record label" thing means.
On page 46. Wishful thinking. Yes, I actually looked for it, so what?
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What if the new drummer was among us, posting in this thread?
BUT WHO WAS PHONE?
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NEW DRUMMER ANNOUNCED
IT'S ME.
I was so good, I beat out Mangini. (BTW, Minnemann didn't even audition, HAHAH!!!!!)
Yep.
I'll put in a good word with the boys in DT to make the album more Progressive.
PEace.
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What if the new drummer was among us, posting in this thread?
What if God was one of us?
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Perhaps He would know who the new drummer is...
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Quick! Whenever two or more are gathered together...let's do this.
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Quick! Whenever two or more are gathered together...let's do this.
Oh God!
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Perhaps He would know who the new drummer is...
I don't.
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Perhaps He would know who the new drummer is...
I don't.
Welcome back. We missed you.
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Quick! Whenever two or more are gathered together...let's do this.
Oh God!
...It wasn't just my imagination, was it? Did you hear it too? It was like a whisper, yet crisp all the same...but...nah, it couldn't be that guy! We oughtta cast lots just in case.
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Perhaps He would know who the new drummer is...
I don't.
Dude.
I was seriously worried about you, wondering where you are.
Now I can rack my brain even more about the new drummer situation. Thanks. <3
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Perhaps He would know who the new drummer is...
I don't.
Welcome back. We missed you.
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Quick! Whenever two or more are gathered together...let's do this.
Oh God!
...It wasn't just my imagination, was it? Did you hear it too? It was like a whisper, yet crisp all the same...but...nah, it couldn't be that guy! We oughtta cast lots just in case.
Yeah, that was pretty...surprising.
I think casting lots will get us banned, though.
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So, considering all of this is possible we are kind of back to square 1 right? I mean, it is still possible that Minnemann or Mangini got the gig but they are fulfilling previous commitments?
IMO, Minnemann is NOT still a possibility. We've gotten as close to a definitive "no" as we possibly could on him. Others, maybe. But, again, we don't KNOW one way or the other whether the drummer is even in the studio. He may very well be. We're just assuming he isn't because the band hasn't said he is. But given that the band is trying to avoid discussing drummer issues until they announce who it is, it is not suprising that they haven't mentioned whether or not he is with them.
I'm not thinking it is him, but I don't think anything we've seen has been "definitive." I just don't see where him doing a session with some nobody band is what rules him out. If he WAS the chosen one, that other band would probably be asked to play it close to the vest anyway.
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So, considering all of this is possible we are kind of back to square 1 right? I mean, it is still possible that Minnemann or Mangini got the gig but they are fulfilling previous commitments?
IMO, Minnemann is NOT still a possibility. We've gotten as close to a definitive "no" as we possibly could on him. Others, maybe. But, again, we don't KNOW one way or the other whether the drummer is even in the studio. He may very well be. We're just assuming he isn't because the band hasn't said he is. But given that the band is trying to avoid discussing drummer issues until they announce who it is, it is not suprising that they haven't mentioned whether or not he is with them.
I'm not thinking it is him, but I don't think anything we've seen has been "definitive." I just don't see where him doing a session with some nobody band is what rules him out. If he WAS the chosen one, that other band would probably be asked to play it close to the vest anyway.
It's not only a session, but a tour aswell. Think about it. They are entering the studio, wich can take months.. i dno.. Then a tour in may. Dt will probably start touring in June/July. So he gotta get ready for two tours with different band and record in studio with two different band within june, that's not very likely
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I thought the audition footage idea was hinted at by JP when he first started answering questions on his forum. I thought someone suggested it and he liked the idea. Don't think it was ever more than that.
Or I could have dreamt it, like I did with my vote for Mangini.
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You're saying that Dave Weckl is the new drummer?
Why does a lot of people think Weckl is the new drummer? I know adami posted the rumor. I do not see it. Plus he has a full touring schedule for 2011.
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You're saying that Dave Weckl is the new drummer?
Why does a lot of people think Weckl is the new drummer? I know adami posted the rumor. I do not see it. Plus he has a full touring schedule for 2011.
That was just Adami trolling and after that people just followed. No one really thinks it's Weckl...
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You're saying that Dave Weckl is the new drummer?
Why does a lot of people think Weckl is the new drummer? I know adami posted the rumor. I do not see it. Plus he has a full touring schedule for 2011.
That was just Adami trolling and after that people just followed. No one really thinks it's Weckl...
I think it's Weckl. I even voted for him.
Also I don't think you know what trolling means.
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If he thinks Adami was trolling, it appears he has a perfect understanding of what trolling means.
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If he thinks Adami was trolling, it appears he has a perfect understanding of what trolling means.
lol
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If he thinks Adami was trolling, it appears he has a perfect understanding of what trolling means.
Hahahaha
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What if the new drummer was among us, posting in this thread?
What if God was one of us?
...just a stranger on a bus, on the way home...
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If he thinks Adami was trolling, it appears he has a perfect understanding of what trolling means.
If you are being sarcastic then :'(
If not then :D
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The only time bosk is sarcastic about me is when he says something nice about me.
Hasn't happened yet but it should be obvious when it does.
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The only time bosk is sarcastic about me is when he says something nice about me.
Hasn't happened yet but it should be obvious when it does.
- The only times you say what I'm thinking, it's without any of the sarcasm and therefore the exact opposite of what I mean.
- Maybe it's because the only times I'm NOT thinking what it is you aren't saying is when YOU'RE thinking but I'M talking.
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???
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From Mangini's site: JAN24: Shoveling snow in Boston for the last week. Reworking home studio drums and software. I am adding electronics; this is going to take some work.
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Danny Carey?
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Danny Carey?
I think I heard that Tool is going back into the studio soonish or something. I can't remember though. Might have just been a rumor.
I was thinking maybe Sean Rienart, any word on new Cynic material?
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Danny Carey? Really? C'mon guys this is how bad rumors get started. No way they are going to take Tool's drummer.
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Gavin Harrison? Really? C'mon guys this is how bad rumors get started. No way they are going to take Porcupine Tree's drummer.
FTF those who have no sense of realism... also, this could apply to many drummers people have wished for.
-Marc.
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Gavin Harrison? Really? C'mon guys this is how bad rumors get started. No way they are going to take Porcupine Tree's drummer.
FTF those who have no sense of realism... also, this could apply to many drummers people have wished for.
-Marc.
haha word.
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Dana Carvey?
I could totally see that, I imagine he doesn't have much else going on right now.
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I was thinking maybe Sean Rienart, any word on new Cynic material?
Is it me or is he not in the poll options too? Surprised more people haven't speculated about him, unless I missed something ruling him out.
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Gavin Harrison? Really? C'mon guys this is how bad rumors get started. No way they are going to take Porcupine Tree's drummer.
FTF those who have no sense of realism... also, this could apply to many drummers people have wished for.
-Marc.
I would love to see Gavin Harrison play with DT, but I would never want him to leave PT.
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It's official, all names in the list have been discarded. We have to think outside the box, people.
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As in like, musicians that aren't even drummers?
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It's official, all names in the list have been discarded.
I've been thinking that too. But in the past, DT has been picky about not letting new members influence the songwriting process too much. Maybe the drummer just isn't in the studio yet.
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But in the past, DT has been picky about not letting new members influence the songwriting process too much.
What do you mean? The only real new members in the modern DT era have been DS and JR, and both contributed significantly to the songwriting as soon as they joined.
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Oh. Well, then I guess you're right. I was mostly thinking about JLB. But perhaps my theory is still true.
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They had already written the album for all practical purposes when they picked up JLB...right?
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They had already written the album for all practical purposes when they picked up JLB...right?
Yes, I believe so.
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Right, right....just keep rubbin it iin. :yeahright
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I don't have any interest in rubbing anything in. I just have no idea where you got such an idea.
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It's official, all names in the list have been discarded. We have to think outside the box, people.
Dennis Chambers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c61glZ5XHTQ&feature=related
Yeah! Dennis Chambers ;D
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How about Shane Gaalas?
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I wrote a drum loop on the Korg software for my Nintendo DS.
Guys, I think I'm the new drummer.
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But perhaps my theory is still true.
Yeah I don't think the drummer is there with them yet either.
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So, after 78 pages have we finally concluded that it's a guy? :corn
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JLB himself said in a recent interview that they've got a guy. So I think that this conclusion is pretty valid.
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I am cooking on ARK lyrics. We will hopefully have all songs written by end of May. It's on it's way and what a sick record! J. Mac.
Can we get a list together of who is definitely not the drummer haha. Which appears to be everyone on that list :rollin :-\
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Which appears to be everyone on that list
There you go.
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Which appears to be everyone on that list
There you go.
Yeah, but we don't know THE list : who are the 7 drummers who auditioned? Even Stevetheater's list included only 5 drummers : if it is valid, who are the other 2? And we don't even know if the list was accurate. So, it might be anyone for all I know.
B.Lee
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It is well known that Daney Carey and Tool are recording a new album, plus they have been touring as of late, they just did a few shows in Hawaii at the beginning of the month. I also think it is someone not mentioned. I have my own hopeful, I doubt it but I would love to see it.
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it's taking way too long to announce the drummer.
buy why?
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I think DT is just waiting for this thread to reach 100 pages before they announce the drummer.
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oh. ROW!
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I'm sure whoever they picked is going to blow us all away, I'm very much looking forward to it. :)
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I'm sure whoever they picked is going to blow us all away, I'm very much looking forward to it. :)
...but what if they don't?
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I'm sure whoever they picked is going to blow us all away, I'm very much looking forward to it. :)
This is like, you know, the most normal post I've read from you
Strange
EDIT: Nevermind, wonderful.
Wonderfully good.
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Thomas Lang writes on he's Facebook page: working int the studio with the incredible dan monti
Dan Monti is a producer/engineer [speculation mode] Could this be DT's new engineer/ mixer ??
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Thomas Lang writes on he's Facebook page: working int the studio with the incredible dan monti
Dan Monti is a producer/engineer [speculation mode] Could this be DT's new engineer/ mixer ??
No.
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D'Virgilio would be cool. I love him in Big Big Train.
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Mike Mangini.... In Boston
Aquiles Priester.....In Brasil + presentations with Hangar
Marco Minnemann....Will start recording in 10 days PTSD
Thomas Lang....Recording with Dan Monti
The best options are gone!..... :flame: DT
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Priester was a best option?
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Mike Mangini.... In Boston
Aquiles Priester.....In Brasil + presentations with Hangar
Marco Minnemann....Will start recording in 10 days PTSD
Thomas Lang....Recording with Dan Monti
The best options are gone!..... :flame: DT
but im still here
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I was thinking the other other day we have two of Steve Vais' former drummers has anyone named Jeremy Colson?
I just searched faceboojk and saw DT was top of his musical likes.....is anyone a friend of his who can credit, discredit this theory?
Sorry if he has been discounted before, I can't read back over 79 pages.....
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I don't remember...but did anyone here mention Bill Bachman?
-Marc.
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And what about Virgil Donati? I know that someone on his message board posted that he is not the chosen one, but do we have a real evidence that he is recording with some other band, touring etc. ?
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I like Jeremy Colson.
My two faves are out by the looks of things, unless Lang's comment was a cryptic message that Dan Monti was DT's new engineer, especially when I saw who he'd worked with.
Just tell us FFS!
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Priester was a best option?
No.
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As a mater of fact, and I already wrote it, we DO NOT know who auditioned. I don't even see where the Priester rumour comes from because he wasn't even in the list Stevetheater gave (provided it is valid) and that had only FIVE names.
B.Lee
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There seems to have been a lull in the action, so maybe it is a good time to post.
I would like to thank all you expert newsgroup members for the insight this thread has given me over the past couple months. DT is one of my favorites, and I don’t expect that to change with a new drummer. I have confidence an appropriate drummer will be chosen.
I figured I would let you all stalk the social networking sites for all “our” candidates to get updates so I don’t have to ( I don’t have a twitter or facebook account anyway). This doesn’t make me any better than you all, I still spend all day watching this thread. So thanks again for that…
With all that out of the way, if I look back at my thoughts regarding Mike's departure...
After picking my jaw up off the floor following the announcement, my first thought was probably similar to others. DT will never be the same. As I completed my stages grief, and thought about the current drum community, I found confidence that there were plenty of drummers out there that could play as well as Mike. With that being said, what made Mike…Mike were 2 things. From a drumming perspective, his ability to choreograph what is “DT music” (even if it got a bit predictable recently), and secondly, and what I felt is much more important to what he did with the band, his work with the fans. I doubt very much that we will ever get what we got from DT before, ever again.
I have more thoughts, but don't want to ramble. More to come later
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Welcome you "ATTENTION WHORE"!! :lol Welcome to our liitle group of friends who love a good laugh and good music.
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Is that what I get for spouting off too much. Not a great welcome. Or is it because I said those 2 attention seeking words ???
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I have officially stopped giving a real shit at this point. I say this beacuse this has been about a week now that I have gone without checking this thread LMAO :laugh:
I will most likely come back to this thread every now and again but the delay in announcement has become too aggravating to get stressed over... I mean it's just a band ffs right? ???
<sigh>
JUST F :censored G ANNOUNCE IT ALREADY GUYS!!!!!! DAMN!!!!! ARGHHHHHHHHHH......... >:( :facepalm:
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Is that what I get for spouting off too much. Not a great welcome. Or is it because I said those 2 attention seeking words ???
AWW. You took it the wrong way. Of course your welcome! Did you not see the clinks thread at all.
Don't be afraid. We'd love to hear your opinions.
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Is that what I get for spouting off too much. Not a great welcome. Or is it because I said those 2 attention seeking words ???
No, it was just a joke, likely related to this thread where a new poster made a thread about himself being a new poster. Give it a look and see what we're all about. And learn quickly to not take anything personally. Welcome!
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=20154.0
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Is that what I get for spouting off too much. Not a great welcome. Or is it because I said those 2 attention seeking words ???
No, it was just a joke, likely related to this thread where a new poster made a thread about himself being a new poster. Give it a look and see what we're all about. And learn quickly to not take anything personally. Welcome!
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=20154.0
CS is right. By the way you posted it seemed to me that you read the link he provided. Id I offended you I'm sorry. Just read the link contest linked. you'll have a good laugh.
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All good. I can take a joke as a newbie. A little newsgroup hazing I guess. Thanks for the replies! I don't think I had read that thread, but I get it now!!!
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I'm 99% sure that clinks63 is the new drummer.
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All good. I can take a joke as a newbie. A little newsgroup hazing I guess. Thanks for the replies! I don't think I had read that thread, but I get it now!!!
haha, hey yeah!
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Mike Mangini.... In Boston
Aquiles Priester.....In Brasil + presentations with Hangar
Marco Minnemann....Will start recording in 10 days PTSD
Thomas Lang....Recording with Dan Monti
The best options are gone!..... :flame: DT
Unless the drummer is not in the studio with DT right now because of current commitments. Which then only rules out Mangini. Well, and of course Priester, because he was never really an option.
rumborak
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It's almost not likely, but perhaps Mangini is recording his parts at home instead of going to NY. Highly unlikely though
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Ok i get it, i didnt want to go this far but it is only for you guys that cant handle it anymore, i will suicide! And then they'll be Forced to anounce it, and then you guys make a pray and tell me how it ended up!!!! ;D
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa im not that stupid! Im just as you guys... bored!
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i will suicide!
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i will suicide!
then you guys make a pray
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And within a single post, a new meme was born :lol
I will suiciiiiiiiideee!!!!!!!
rümborak :metal
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I likes this thread. It's funny!
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And within a single post, a new meme was born :lol
I will suiciiiiiiiideee!!!!!!!
rümborak :metal
:metal
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LOL :lol
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Dammit, antilol :lol :lol :lol
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Ha. The first Last Fm wiki of Dream Theater is strikingly similar
[ GOds of Progressive rock, their musics is a medicine to the sickest ear …!
if you dont listen…you better get suicide…
:lol classic
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I will suicide, I've already diëd!
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I was thinking the other other day we have two of Steve Vais' former drummers has anyone named Jeremy Colson?
I just searched faceboojk and saw DT was top of his musical likes....
i should hope so...he's got a bigass'd images & words tattoo on his sternum.
i like colson too, but i cant imagine him getting the gig.
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My first instinct, even before I saw this thread was Thomas Lang. I have always been impressed with his style in St0rk.When I found this thread and started reading; I opened myself to other options, and ultimately voted for Marco. I had heard of him, but had not listened for quite a while. His technical ability and work leads me to believe his style would match what DT needs. I will not change my vote, as this, for me, was not about my favorite drummer, or a progression of guesses as we hear more and more rumors, but who I thought would fit. Mangini is a fine choice, and could play the music, but I am with others that are concerned about what new he would bring to the table, and how it would fit. Another one I had never heard of is Charlie Zelaney. He is pretty sick and Blotted Science has proved to me he would certainly qualify, even though it was suggested he is not a candidate.
As a drummer, my favorites on this list are Virgil Donati (not appropriate style), Mark Zonder(he could do it), Gavin Harrison(like him just where he is), and Dave Weckl(not appropriate style). With nods to Nick DVirgilio, Bobby Jarzombek, and Rod Morgenstein.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EQHZQ1hHms&feature=player_embedded#
In the background we see a guy behind the drumkit. Could he be the new drummer? We do not see his face though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EQHZQ1hHms&feature=player_embedded#
In the background we see a guy behind the drumkit. Could he be the new drummer? We do not see his face though.
His name is Marco. :)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EQHZQ1hHms&feature=player_embedded#
In the background we see a guy behind the drumkit. Could he be the new drummer? We do not see his face though.
It's Marco, but it's from the Mind Meld session, not DT in the studio.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EQHZQ1hHms&feature=player_embedded#
In the background we see a guy behind the drumkit. Could he be the new drummer? We do not see his face though.
They all seem totally baked in that video
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EQHZQ1hHms&feature=player_embedded#
In the background we see a guy behind the drumkit. Could he be the new drummer? We do not see his face though.
They all seem totally baked in that video
Yes, they do.
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I really don't remember but, has Peter Wildoer been ruled out 100%?
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New Darkane album, if I recall.
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I know he's supposudly been ruled out, but imagine if Virgil Donati were the chosen one.
That would mean that pretty soon you'd all be seeing JP, JM, JR and JLB performing Live with VD! Ewwwww! :lol
I'll get my coat.
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The new drummer is a drum machine.
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I really don't remember but, has Peter Wildoer been ruled out 100%?
almost 100% certain. I think there was an interview with him where he said he was not asked to audition, and was flattered that people think that he should have.
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After watching the new JR interview, now I'm back to thinking it's Marco. Sure hope so, but of course not getting my hopes up. I sure don't trust blabbermouth though, especially since they didn't mention any source of info.
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What if the new drummer was.. Mike. ...
A man can dream, can't he?
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What if the new drummer was.. Mike. ...
A man can dream, can't he?
For me, it would be a nightmare to remember.
B.Lee
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What if the new drummer was.. Mike. ...
A man can dream, can't he?
For me, it would be a nightmare to remember.
B.Lee
This.
But I believe Jordan when he says that they DO have a guy.
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JR Interview. He is asked about Marco and who the new drummer is but not really revealing...
https://theytsetimes.com/?p=475
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What if the new drummer was.. Mike. ...
A man can dream, can't he?
For me, it would be a nightmare to remember.
B.Lee
+1
Also, mentioning MP at this point is like saying "hey, I'd like KM to come back".
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I\m actually going back to thinking it is Wildoer. Just a hunch, no proof to back it up.
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I\m actually going back to thinking it is Wildoer. Just a hunch, no proof to back it up.
I really really hope not, but it kind of makes sense since they need a vocalist who can make MP's tough guy voices that he's littered randomly throughout all the songs like some dark legacy they'll never be rid of now.
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What if the new drummer was.. Mike. ...
A man can dream, can't he?
... Mangini?
-Marc.
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JR Interview. He is asked about Marco and who the new drummer is but not really revealing...
https://theytsetimes.com/?p=475
is it me, or is that the first time someone has been officially confirmed as a person who auditioned?
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By a DT member, yes. Virgil Donati said he auditioned and wasn't picked, and Hef knows one of Lang's students who said he auditioned, so that's three confirmed members to have auditioned. As for who's been permanently ruled out, Mark Zonder and Charlie Zeleny said they didn't audition. Don't know if anyone else has said that.
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I\m actually going back to thinking it is Wildoer. Just a hunch, no proof to back it up.
I really really hope not, but it kind of makes sense since they need a vocalist who can make MP's tough guy voices that he's littered randomly throughout all the songs like some dark legacy they'll never be rid of now.
I think he replied a comment on one of his youtube videos that he didn't got the gig, something like "yeah, dream theater would have been cool"...
Tin
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"yeah that would have been cool"
I really don't think that means anything...........In scandinavia we say, det hadde vĉrt moro/ skĝy ( skĝy in swedish, moro in norwegian), translated, that would have been cool. Means more like I would really like that.
But that is how I read it. Like always I could be wrong.
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Just changed my vote for the first time...from Mangini to Minneman. After Jordan's interview I really think it's Marco now, but hey that's just me. Just an opinion. There's plenty of speculation to go around. :biggrin:
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Yeah, whoever the drummer is, it seems Jordan cheered for Minnemann all along, and with good reason.
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my dream is that the band minneman is going to record with is fake to throw off speculation (haha) and he's the pick.
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I think though that if it was Marco, Jordan would never have said that Marco auditioned. I don't know, I just can't imagine it happening
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I think though that if it was Marco, Jordan would never have said that Marco auditioned. I don't know, I just can't imagine it happening
That's how I feel about it as well. I don't think that he's the new drummer, to be honest.
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Or maybe that's just what Jordan wants you to think...
Mwuahahaha! :xbones:
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I think though that if it was Marco, Jordan would never have said that Marco auditioned. I don't know, I just can't imagine it happening
this!
For me Minnemann was already out when they announced this bandcrashers thing! I can't see Jordan doing a jam with the chosen guy before they make an official announcement. Doesn't make sense to me.
I can see why a guy like Lang would fit better into DT although I don't think it's him either.
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Yeah. I can totally see Jordan giving Marco a call some weeks after the audition and go something like: "Sorry you didn't get the DT gig, but i love your style, let's do something together".
I think thats much more plausible than Marco being the guy, than Jordan talking so openly about how he love Marcos playing and that he auditioned, when this whole DT-drummer-thing is such a big secret.
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Or they were just testing him out live.
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Or they were just testing him out live.
It was hardly testing him out live as there seemed to be half a dozen people milling about, no audience. It would have been similar to the audition really.
I favour the "he didn't get the gig but Jordan wanted to play with him" camp. He would be a great DT drummer though.
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Yeah. I can totally see Jordan giving Marco a call some weeks after the audition and go something like: "Sorry you didn't get the DT gig, but i love your style, let's do something together".
I think thats much more plausible than Marco being the guy, than Jordan talking so openly about how he love Marcos playing and that he auditioned, when this whole DT-drummer-thing is such a big secret.
This is what I thought as soon as I heard about the Musical Mind Meld gig. On the other hand, it could have also been like a form of bonding activity. Who knows?
I still hope it's minnemann. I won't be too dissapointed if it isn't him, or at least I have accepted that it may not be him, but I don't think he has been completely written off until Minnemann or DT say so. The statement from the band member Minnemann is supposed to be playing with is not entirely valid simply because I think Minnemann, or whoever the selected drummer is, has an obligation to not tell a soul about it until he is
authorized to do so.
Unless he is touring with this band as well as recording, then I would definitely not rule him out entirely.
I have noticed that Jordan does like to talk him up a bit too. For instance, during Jordans break in the band crashers thing, he was posting how amazing he was and mentioned his ability to do blast beats. I know it is in Jordans nature to talk up other musicians, but it was almost like he was trying to sell him to the audience, beyond just saying it was a pleasure or simply that they are great to play with.
And why Minnemann for that particular gig? relaxing the notion that the other drummers may have had other stuff going on, why was Jordan so keen to play with him over the others? perhaps there is a chance that Jordan's vote was for Minnemann, but the rest of the guys did not agree. And as Jordan said in his most recent interview (or something along these lines): "we really see eye to eye on alot of things [musically]". So would DT pick a drummer that wouldn't strike the same chemistry than one that would do with an integral song writer of the band?
(/over speculation)
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I don't think Jordan would mention that Marco auditioned if he was the new drummer. Marco also has those other projects, so I'm very sure that he's not the one.
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Possibility. Minnemann was selected, but he had prior commitments. They obviously couldn't outright ask him to jump ship for them, but they could make him want to. Having him play for Mind Meld might have been Jordans way of kind of courting him. Like Portnoy and Petrucci did with LTE to try to get Rudess.
A touch farfetched, but it's a thought.
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I'm anxiously waiting for the news to leak.
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Possibility. Minnemann was selected, but he had prior commitments. They obviously couldn't outright ask him to jump ship for them, but they could make him want to. Having him play for Mind Meld might have been Jordans way of kind of courting him. Like Portnoy and Petrucci did with LTE to try to get Rudess.
A touch farfetched, but it's a thought.
That sounds fairly plausible to me.
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I'm anxiously waiting for the news to leak.
I don't understand how it hasn't leaked yet....
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Why? There's no reason it should it have leaked.
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We're living in an age where a decent amount of media and information leaks before its official release. Because of that, the expectation has been set that everything will leak.
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Speaking of leaks, at this rate, the album itself will probably leak online before the name of the drummer is announced.
-Marc.
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Jordan mentioning that Marco auditioned seems he didn't get the gig. Sounds right, because JR wouldn,t mention that he did or he'd probably get in trouble.
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I don't see that really. It all relies on the assumption that JR can't keep a straight face when asked that question. All he said is that Marco auditioned, and that is true no matter whether he got chosen or not.
rumborak
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Why? There's no reason it should it have leaked.
Haha, have you seen the internet? Thing's nuts. There'll be a fairly long list of people within (and outside of!) the industry who know by now, and the way information travels it only takes a teeny slip-up to blow a secret.
Plus there'll be people who live near the studio who may have seen him enter or exit, legal documentation knocking about, potentially CVs, studio records... it's a tricky thing to keep secret.
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Perhaps JR mentioned that Marco auditioned as his sneaky way of letting us know who the drummer is. Perhaps the band is getting tired of the label holding things up. I doubt it, but who knows...
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If he's not into the studio, hiding him becomes more easy.
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Perhaps JR mentioned that Marco auditioned as his sneaky way of letting us know who the drummer is. Perhaps the band is getting tired of the label holding things up. I doubt it, but who knows...
That's a thought. Though I imagine if the label is outright saying no, there could be a gag order (I think that's what it's called) in place. IN which case, pulling something like that would get him in serious shit. Which I doubt he'd do.
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Perhaps JR mentioned that Marco auditioned as his sneaky way of letting us know who the drummer is. Perhaps the band is getting tired of the label holding things up. I doubt it, but who knows...
Possible. There isn't probably a day where JR or the other DT guys get asked for the new drummer. It was fine for the first 2 or 3 months, but now it's way too much :lol
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What reasoning does the label have to not tell us who the new drummer is?
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Chino, that's been explained time and time again. If you don't want to hear it, I don't know what to tell you.
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So far the explanation here has been "legalities", but the more time passes, the less likely I find that explanation. What I think is happening is that they don't want to announce anything until the guy actually shows up in the studio.
I think it would also be only understandable if DT want to first work on their own. There's been such a major shakeup in the band, adding a new element while the other elements are trying to figure out their new position in the band would probably only cause chaos.
Regarding writing music without a drummer, I'm pretty sure JR and JP wrote their solo stuff without one.
rumborak
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I think it would also be only understandable if DT want to first work on their own. There's been such a major shakeup in the band, adding a new element while the other elements are trying to figure out their new position in the band would probably only cause chaos.
This is definitely plausible, even likely, and I think in terms of writing whoever the drummer is will have a somewhat limited role in this album while he settles in.
But I don't really see why it would hold up any announcement. We were told that it is being held up by the label, and we've heard nothing more since then, so that's what I assume is still happening.
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Well, what I'm saying is that maybe the label is just prudent. Don't count your chicken until they're hatched, and don't announce the drummer until he's actually in the studio. First of all there could be something getting in the way in-between and then DT would look stupid, and secondly if you announce the drummer, people will want to see footage. If they're still in the "solo-writing" phase it would be weird to have them say "yeah, he's our new drummer, but he's sitting at home right now".
rumborak
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All valid possibilities. :tup
So really, it could be anything. :lol
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Isn't Roadrunner going through some legalities of their own? Weren't the recently purchased by Warner ? I would imagine this is playing a role in the whole "Record Label" asking us to hold off.
Isn't it possible Warner is looking at all the artist's and their current contracts w/Roadrunner and deciding whom too keep and whom to buy out
All this could be playing a part in DT not being able to announce whom their drummer is
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I feel like if JR mentioned Marco then Marco definitely didn't get the job.
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I feel like if JR mentioned Marco then Marco definitely didn't get the job.
He only mentioned him because he was asked about the bandcrashers thing, he didn't just bring him up randomly.
I got the feeling from the interview that it wasn't him.
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maybe this wait is all due to MP leaving
...and possibly returning?
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No, it isn't.
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but blabbermouth said it was.... ;D
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Blabbermouth doesn't know shit about fuck.
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hence the smiley?
edit - all in good humor
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Can we have a new forum rule saying that Mike Portnoy is not returning to Dream Theater?
rumborak
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Can we have a new forum rule saying that Mike Portnoy is not returning to Dream Theater?
rumborak
Second'd
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:lol
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yep. sarcasm is awesome, for those that can discern it.
i hope it was discerned.
yeah, discerned. big word, ftw.
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I'm anxiously waiting for the news to leak.
You and everyone of us who keep checking this forum, except for the ones who stopped caring...
Tin
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I just saw in the Local 802 Musician's Union newspaper under new members: Charlie Zeleny --- do you think the new member of DT would have to join the union? Any of you know if the other guys are members of the union? just the first thing that came to mind when I saw it in the paper..
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Except didn't Zeleny already say he didn't even audition?
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Except didn't Zeleny already say he didn't even audition?
That is correct. He put those vids online, but said he wasn't asked for the final audition. Whether he was ever actually in the running or not is unknown.
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So far the explanation here has been "legalities", but the more time passes, the less likely I find that explanation. What I think is happening is that they don't want to announce anything until the guy actually shows up in the studio.
I think it would also be only understandable if DT want to first work on their own. There's been such a major shakeup in the band, adding a new element while the other elements are trying to figure out their new position in the band would probably only cause chaos.
Regarding writing music without a drummer, I'm pretty sure JR and JP wrote their solo stuff without one.
rumborak
That's probably the most sensible thing I've read in these 80 pages. And yes, I've read them all.
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Its gotta be Mangini and hes gotta not be there yet. Why wouldn't they write the parts without him, have him put his spin on them and then rerecord their parts to him? Petrucci is soley producing the record and those guys are more than capable of writing out sketches for the drummer. I am sure that Charlie Zeleny said that he didn't originally get called for an audition initially, but that doesn't mean that he hasn't gotten into the band in the interim. It HAS been months now since they supposedly found a drummer and I am sure they saw the videos on his YouTube and were impressed. He would be a nice fresh new face and have a cool energy to bring to the table that some of the other big guns don't have. It could have happened due to legal issues, money issues or lawsuits pending and having Mangini or another guy fall through and now they just need a guy to jump in full time but be able to interpret crazy drum parts very quickly like he did with Blotted Science with Ron Jarzombek and Behold the Arctopus and even Jordan Rudess. Would be cool, but what would be cooler would be Bobby Jarzombek. Hes the king of Prog IMHO. But still think its gotta be Mangini. Very interesting that Charlie Z joined the musicians union though, thats totally weird and could be a major hint that he wound up getting called in after everyone else to be the guy. Who knows!
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I'm sorry, but why do people think the drummer is NOT with them?
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I'm sorry, but why do people think the drummer is NOT with them?
Because we so far have zero evidence that he is and it's a logical explanation for why there has been no announcement.
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I'm sorry, but why do people think the drummer is NOT with them?
Also because every drummer that has been put as a possible replacement for MP is known to be somewhere else. And I guess everyone is just hoping that the drummer they prefer is just completing some prior commitment before going into the studio with DT (Go Marco)
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I'm sorry, but why do people think the drummer is NOT with them?
Also because every drummer that has been put as a possible replacement for MP is known to be somewhere else. And I guess everyone is just hoping that the drummer they prefer is just completing some prior commitment before going into the studio with DT (Go Marco)
i wouldnt say EVERY drummer...
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To that point, we really haven't discussed other options too much. The discussion, maybe rightly so, has surrounded the list.
So who else?
What about Navene Koperweis from Animals As Leaders. I just got into them recently, and holy crap, that kid can play! I doubt he auditioned as he is on tour and I will be seeing him next week, but he would have been a good choice, and just goes to show you how many qualified drummers there are out there.
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I think I saw the new drummer by
<--- teh river
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Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I'm having a hard time believing they are in the studio without the new drummer. I mean, even JLB is there. I would think that they would want to get off to a fresh start as a band without fragmented participation of each member. That's how it used to be, and I think the band is most excited about really operating together this time out.
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If we didn't know JR was in China for part of January, would we all assume from JP's update that when he mentions "our first month", he'd have meant the WHOLE band, drummer included?
Knowing JR wasn't there the whole time, and possibly JLB, we can't be too sure if the drummer was present, but there are plenty of strong points for each side of this. I think they're being smart not revealing whether or not their new drummer is present because then someone would definitely be scoping out the studio by now.
I can picture it - to sneak out the new drummer, the band give him a jacket and pizza-bag and hat to walk out of the studio with, and anyone watching would think it was just someone delivering pizza! Genius!
-Marc.
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If we didn't know JR was in China for part of January, would we all assume from JP's update that when he mentions "our first month", he'd have meant the WHOLE band, drummer included?
Knowing JR wasn't there the whole time, and possibly JLB, we can't be too sure if the drummer was present, but there are plenty of strong points for each side of this. I think they're being smart not revealing whether or not their new drummer is present because then someone would definitely be scoping out the studio by now.
I can picture it - to sneak out the new drummer, the band give him a jacket and pizza-bag and hat to walk out of the studio with, and anyone watching would think it was just someone delivering pizza! Genius!
-Marc.
Pizza guy is too obvious. Give him a long black wig, sun glasses, and a kimono. Have him carry out a bass every day.
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Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I'm having a hard time believing they are in the studio without the new drummer. I mean, even JLB is there. I would think that they would want to get off to a fresh start as a band without fragmented participation of each member. That's how it used to be, and I think the band is most excited about really operating together this time out.
While I agree it would be ideal for the drummer to be in the studio for the whole writing process, there are tons of reasons why he might not be. The studio was already booked, so financially, it wouldn't make sense to delay. Perhaps the new drummer had previous obligations with other bands to attend to before going into the studio. Perhaps legal reasons make it impossible for him to be there yet. Perhaps the rest of the guys in the band want to write the album without him. We really don't know what's going on or what everyone is thinking. While you and I might think it's ideal for the drummer to be there, we are not in the band. Perhaps they have other thoughts on the matter. We'll figure it all out sooner or later and we can laugh at all the silly speculation.
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Even i don't know who he is yet, i'm already starting to hate him.
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Why? It's not like the drummer said "Hey no hold on don't announce who I am. Make them wait." If anything hate the management and/or the label.
Or, if you prefer, "don't hate the player, hate the game."
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Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I'm having a hard time believing they are in the studio without the new drummer. I mean, even JLB is there. I would think that they would want to get off to a fresh start as a band without fragmented participation of each member. That's how it used to be, and I think the band is most excited about really operating together this time out.
While I agree it would be ideal for the drummer to be in the studio for the whole writing process, there are tons of reasons why he might not be. The studio was already booked, so financially, it wouldn't make sense to delay. Perhaps the new drummer had previous obligations with other bands to attend to before going into the studio. Perhaps legal reasons make it impossible for him to be there yet. Perhaps the rest of the guys in the band want to write the album without him. We really don't know what's going on or what everyone is thinking. While you and I might think it's ideal for the drummer to be there, we are not in the band. Perhaps they have other thoughts on the matter. We'll figure it all out sooner or later and we can laugh at all the silly speculation.
But then they could have done that with(out) MP. Seems they would be in the same boat- drummer with commitments elsewhere.
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Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I'm having a hard time believing they are in the studio without the new drummer. I mean, even JLB is there. I would think that they would want to get off to a fresh start as a band without fragmented participation of each member. That's how it used to be, and I think the band is most excited about really operating together this time out.
While I agree it would be ideal for the drummer to be in the studio for the whole writing process, there are tons of reasons why he might not be. The studio was already booked, so financially, it wouldn't make sense to delay. Perhaps the new drummer had previous obligations with other bands to attend to before going into the studio. Perhaps legal reasons make it impossible for him to be there yet. Perhaps the rest of the guys in the band want to write the album without him. We really don't know what's going on or what everyone is thinking. While you and I might think it's ideal for the drummer to be there, we are not in the band. Perhaps they have other thoughts on the matter. We'll figure it all out sooner or later and we can laugh at all the silly speculation.
But then they could have done that with(out) MP. Seems they would be in the same boat- drummer with commitments elsewhere.
on second thought, no, its not the same. MP wanted to take a year off or more, not just a few weeks to wrap up another project. he wanted a major hiatus...
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Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I'm having a hard time believing they are in the studio without the new drummer. I mean, even JLB is there. I would think that they would want to get off to a fresh start as a band without fragmented participation of each member. That's how it used to be, and I think the band is most excited about really operating together this time out.
While I agree it would be ideal for the drummer to be in the studio for the whole writing process, there are tons of reasons why he might not be. The studio was already booked, so financially, it wouldn't make sense to delay. Perhaps the new drummer had previous obligations with other bands to attend to before going into the studio. Perhaps legal reasons make it impossible for him to be there yet. Perhaps the rest of the guys in the band want to write the album without him. We really don't know what's going on or what everyone is thinking. While you and I might think it's ideal for the drummer to be there, we are not in the band. Perhaps they have other thoughts on the matter. We'll figure it all out sooner or later and we can laugh at all the silly speculation.
But then they could have done that with(out) MP. Seems they would be in the same boat- drummer with commitments elsewhere.
on second thought, no, its not the same. MP wanted to take a year off or more, not just a few weeks to wrap up another project. he wanted a major hiatus...
If you believe that. Personally i think he wanted to stay out longer with A7X, or at least wanted the break he should have been having in 2010, as we've discussed ad infinitum. No proof of course, just my take on a situation I have no way of knowing anything about.
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so...dont take portnoy's word?!
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I think it's without question that MP had hoped to have his contract extended for the rest of the A7X tour. The fact that they dumped him halfway into their tour is rather telling IMHO.
rumborak
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Yeah he even said in that interview he would be carrying on into 2011 with them...probably A7X didn't even know about that and he thought they would.
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I'm 99.9% sure that had nothing to do with him wanting to put DT on hiatus though. He wanted to continue with A7X, naturally, but that was after all the stuff with DT went down.
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I believe the exact phrasing was MP proposed a 'indefinite hiatus'.
So about this new guy...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL-WUkKEobY
Rumor has it this guy's in a strong running to be the new drummer.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL-WUkKEobY
Rumor has it this guy's in a strong running to be the new drummer.
He seems like a talented young man. :)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL-WUkKEobY
Rumor has it this guy's in a strong running to be the new drummer.
He seems like a talented young man. :)
I just watched 6 different JB drum solos... they were all the same.
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I fail to see the significance in Justin Bieber drum solos. Is he supposed to be good at drumming?
rumborak
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL-WUkKEobY
Rumor has it this guy's in a strong running to be the new drummer.
He seems like a talented young man. :)
I don't understand what's going on with you lately. Have you been taking happy pills? hahaha ;D
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I fail to see the significance in Justin Bieber drum solos. Is he supposed to be good at drumming?
rumborak
He's bad at everything. But the media touts him as the new king of music or some shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL-WUkKEobY
Rumor has it this guy's in a strong running to be the new drummer.
He seems like a talented young man. :)
I just watched 6 different JB drum solos... they were all the same.
>shitty pattern
>shitty fill
>same shitty pattern
>same shitty fill
>same shitty pattern
>same shitty fill
>same shitty pattern
>same shitty fill
>throw sticks
MY HANDS HURT
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Justin Bieber on drums? So that's how they solve the backing vocals problem! :lol
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Justin Bieber on drums? So that's how they solve the backing vocals problem! :lol
:neverusethis:
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I fail to see the significance in Justin Bieber drum solos. Is he supposed to be good at drumming?
rumborak
I think it's because people actually just assume he's another barely talented kid that the labels swooped up.
Actually, the labels found him because of all the amazing stuff he was doing before he had anything to do with them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL-WUkKEobY
Rumor has it this guy's in a strong running to be the new drummer.
He seems like a talented young man. :)
I don't understand what's going on with you lately. Have you been taking happy pills? hahaha ;D
The nice men in the white coats finally paid him a visit.
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GUYS
I had a dream last night. I was browsing the Internet and somebody posted in the DTF Facebook page: "Minnemann it is!" and people were discussing it and saying whether it was good or not. Then I rushed to DTF (It's the first time in my life that I actually dream with DTF) and saw that bösk posted a sticky that said "OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT - MARCO MINNEMANN ELECTED" or something like that, and saw that DT had posted on their page that Marco Minnemann was chosen as the new DT drummer. People were excited, some were dissappointed, but there were a lot of Portnoy jokes.
IT WAS SO FUCKING REAL
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(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/jp_all_you_got.jpg)
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Well I do remember that both you and Gadough were unhappy with the decision :lol
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Blabbermouth says: "DREAM THEATER has yet to officially announce its new drummer despite the fact that the band has been rehearsing with one candidate exclusively since last fall."
That pisses me off when they say stuff like that, it's probably true, but they have no source for that at all. If they do have a source, then they should at least say "according to a source" so at the very least they're weak on proper journalistic practices.
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(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/jp_all_you_got.jpg)
:clap:
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I foresee many uses for this picture :lol
rumborak
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I foresee many uses for this picture :lol
rumborak
That's exactly my thought when I saw it also. :lol
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In light of recent events I have changed my vote to: Exotic-Dancer Myung.
That is all.
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Exotic Dancer Myung probably has just as much of a chance as any of the other options.
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The more I think about it the more I think it's Minneman. It could be that Roadrunner threatened to discontinue hosting the Blabbermouth website or some legal butt kicking if Blabbermouth didn't retract their statement about the drummer being Marco or if Blabbermouth continued to feed the flames of the rumor. I mean, when they announced that the drummer is NOT Marco, it's not like they gave us any proof. Has anyone else thought of this? Or is it just me?
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Fuck it. Whatever. Exotic-Dancer Myung it is.
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If we didn't know JR was in China for part of January, would we all assume from JP's update that when he mentions "our first month", he'd have meant the WHOLE band, drummer included?
Knowing JR wasn't there the whole time, and possibly JLB, we can't be too sure if the drummer was present, but there are plenty of strong points for each side of this. I think they're being smart not revealing whether or not their new drummer is present because then someone would definitely be scoping out the studio by now.
I can picture it - to sneak out the new drummer, the band give him a jacket and pizza-bag and hat to walk out of the studio with, and anyone watching would think it was just someone delivering pizza! Genius!
-Marc.
Pizza guy is too obvious. Give him a long black wig, sun glasses, and a kimono. Have him carry out a bass every day.
Pretty plausible. Because Myung probably will stay there the whole night to practice bass.
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does anyone think it will reach march before we know?
edit - this to think
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does anyone think it will reach march before we know?
edit - this to think
I say no. But I said that every other month.
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In 3 days we'll hit the 5-month mark of MP's departure.
rumborak
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Doesn't feel like it's been that long.
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If we didn't know JR was in China for part of January, would we all assume from JP's update that when he mentions "our first month", he'd have meant the WHOLE band, drummer included?
Knowing JR wasn't there the whole time, and possibly JLB, we can't be too sure if the drummer was present, but there are plenty of strong points for each side of this. I think they're being smart not revealing whether or not their new drummer is present because then someone would definitely be scoping out the studio by now.
I can picture it - to sneak out the new drummer, the band give him a jacket and pizza-bag and hat to walk out of the studio with, and anyone watching would think it was just someone delivering pizza! Genius!
-Marc.
Pizza guy is too obvious. Give him a long black wig, sun glasses, and a kimono. Have him carry out a bass every day.
Pretty plausible. Because Myung probably will stay there the whole night to practice bass.
With a Starbucks. Srsly.
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After years and years of pointless analysing of Lost, I thought that everything was over. No more frame-by-frame analyses or alternative timelines ,but yesterday after seeing Jordan's picture of JLB piratizing the studio, I realized I had put my deerstalker hat back on, light my pipe and solve this mystery.
First stop was at Beartracks studio. I thought it would be a good place to start, because of the many albums Dream Theater has recorded there, but sadly my long drive deep into the woods was for nothing. No more Beartracks Studio...
I knew I had to go on. Pirate James might be piratizing some studio right this moment.
My next visit was at Avatar Studios and I had to find a way to get in. Who would suspect a Pizza delivery guy, I thought. Luckily my plan worked and I was able to take a look at Studio A's control room.
https://www.avatarstudios.net/rooms/studio_a_photo.html
Just a quick glance at Jordan's photo I had with me...
https://plixi.com/p/72482100
and I understood I was at the wrong studio again. Though the pictures were similar, my trained eyes were able to see few differences; The control panel and the wood on the wall.
I was already starting to lose my faith, when suddenly my car radio woke from coma after decades of unconsciousness: This Dying Soul from Dream Theater's Train of Thought album.
My dying soul came back to life and knew instantly where it had to go: Cove City Sound Studios at Long Island, NY.
I parked my car near the studio and looked my watch: 6:00 sharp. Not a bad time at all, I thought, and started to put my pizza delivery outfit back on. My disguise worked like charm once again and I was able get to the studio A control room in no time.
I couldn't believe my eyes.
https://covecitysoundstudios.com/WP23/wp-content/gallery/studio/studio3.jpg
https://covecitysoundstudios.com/WP23/wp-content/gallery/studio/studio4.jpg
Same No Smoking-sign, same control panel, same everything with the exception of speakers and their placement. James must have piratized the old ones...
Knowing my nature, I had to double check if the live room was the same as in the pictures that Jordan took from John & John playing their instruments...
https://covecitysoundstudios.com/WP23/wp-content/gallery/studio/liveroom.jpg
and again a quick glance was enough,
https://plixi.com/p/71298900
https://plixi.com/p/71294856
The floor is clearly the same and even the different coloured wood panel below Muyng right hand can be found.
My search was finally over: Dream Theater is recording at Cove City Sound Studios
But was that The End?
Did I miss something?
I drove back home, threw my hat deep into the closet and fell asleep on my bed without knowing that Cove City Sound Studios is located at North Shore of Long Island which might make it the place that Mike Mangini meant when he said the following:
"Heading to up the North Shore this week for rec session #2 of 2011. I will update my sites w/info asap. My Books site will be down for a while."
Only time will tell...
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Are you a wizard
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Cove City just got an endorsement from Toontrack (https://covecitysoundstudios.com/toontrack/). Obviously Drumkit From Hell is the new drummer.
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Oh my god oh my god.
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Spyro Gyra, right? (https://covecitysoundstudios.com/clients/spyro-gyra-a-night-before-christmas/)
THAT'S the kind of fanwanky sleuthing that I'm frankly ashamed we, collectively, haven't been doing more of. Brilliant work, Sparta!
And another tick for the "probably Mike Mangini" box.
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*Cool Studio Story*
That was so awesome I just can't believe you. I do anyway. :metal
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Wow! Now all u gotta do is camp outside the studio and see who comes and goes :corn
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Thanks for the info man!
Hopefully we can know who the drummer is by the end of the week ;D
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awesome story
You sir are my hero of the day. :yarr
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Was Cove City Sound where ToT was recorded?
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Was Cove City Sound where ToT was recorded?
I think so. I think Pie studios was the place were they wrote and Cove where they recorded. I can't recall correctly, but two studios were used for ToT
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After years and years of pointless analysing of Lost, I thought that everything was over. No more frame-by-frame analyses or alternative timelines ,but yesterday after seeing Jordan's picture of JLB piratizing the studio, I realized I had put my deerstalker hat back on, light my pipe and solve this mystery.
First stop was at Beartracks studio. I thought it would be a good place to start, because of the many albums Dream Theater has recorded there, but sadly my long drive deep into the woods was for nothing. No more Beartracks Studio...
I knew I had to go on. Pirate James might be piratizing some studio right this moment.
My next visit was at Avatar Studios and I had to find a way to get in. Who would suspect a Pizza delivery guy, I thought. Luckily my plan worked and I was able to take a look at Studio A's control room.
https://www.avatarstudios.net/rooms/studio_a_photo.html
Just a quick glance at Jordan's photo I had with me...
https://plixi.com/p/72482100
and I understood I was at the wrong studio again. Though the pictures were similar, my trained eyes were able to see few differences; The control panel and the wood on the wall.
I was already starting to lose my faith, when suddenly my car radio woke from coma after decades of unconsciousness: This Dying Soul from Dream Theater's Train of Thought album.
My dying soul came back to life and knew instantly where it had to go: Cove City Sound Studios at Long Island, NY.
I parked my car near the studio and looked my watch: 6:00 sharp. Not a bad time at all, I thought, and started to put my pizza delivery outfit back on. My disguise worked like charm once again and I was able get to the studio A control room in no time.
I couldn't believe my eyes.
https://covecitysoundstudios.com/WP23/wp-content/gallery/studio/studio3.jpg
https://covecitysoundstudios.com/WP23/wp-content/gallery/studio/studio4.jpg
Same No Smoking-sign, same control panel, same everything with the exception of speakers and their placement. James must have piratized the old ones...
Knowing my nature, I had to double check if the live room was the same as in the pictures that Jordan took from John & John playing their instruments...
https://covecitysoundstudios.com/WP23/wp-content/gallery/studio/liveroom.jpg
and again a quick glance was enough,
https://plixi.com/p/71298900
https://plixi.com/p/71294856
The floor is clearly the same and even the different coloured wood panel below Muyng right hand can be found.
My search was finally over: Dream Theater is recording at Cove City Sound Studios
But was that The End?
Did I miss something?
I drove back home, threw my hat deep into the closet and fell asleep on my bed without knowing that Cove City Sound Studios is located at North Shore of Long Island which might make it the place that Mike Mangini meant when he said the following:
"Heading to up the North Shore this week for rec session #2 of 2011. I will update my sites w/info asap. My Books site will be down for a while."
Only time will tell...
You're totally right.... same damn carpet !!!!.... It is Cove City Sound Studios!
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Was Cove City Sound where ToT was recorded?
Yes. https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=570140507258701872#
Edit: They did basic tracks at Cove and keys, vox, and overdubs at Pie.
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:tup
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That was a great post Sparta, and an amazing first post at that. Thank you so much for finding out that information, I hope you stick around here. :heart
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This is great, now we know what Studio they're at. Watch, now they re-locate.
I wonder if they chose Cove before Mike left or did it after
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Wow...just...Wow!!!
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Is no one willing to stake out the Cove? None of you New Yorkers? Come on, guys!
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I honestly would if I could. But it's like 6-8 hours away. Not sure. But my car is incredibly unreliable, needs to be fixed, and I have hardly any spare cash.
Who else here is in NY/NYC. I know MetalManiac is.
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In 3 days we'll hit the 5-month mark of MP's departure.
rumborak
Man time really flies, I can remember sitting down and reading the forums and hearing that mike has left the band.
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That was the best first post I've seen from ANYONE
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I drove back home, threw my hat deep into the closet and fell asleep on my bed without knowing that Cove City Sound Studios is located at North Shore of Long Island which might make it the place that Mike Mangini meant when he said the following:
"Heading to up the North Shore this week for rec session #2 of 2011. I will update my sites w/info asap. My Books site will be down for a while."
Only time will tell...
Wow. I'm sure MM is the new drummer.
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Freaking awesome
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Wow, that was amazing.
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That was the best first post I've seen from ANYONE
Agree!!!! best first post in history of forums!
altho, i don't want it to be mangini :(... but if the guys like him, enough for me.
I think this sparta guy might know more than what we think and the story he told is not 100% true (about the pizza detective thing).. i think he is an insider.... i would consider his post the official leak!
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I doubt he actually went there as a pizza detective, but I think he probably found those pictures of the studios on the internet and compared them, realizing they were the same as the DT pictures.
Either way, a great effort.
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That was the best first post I've seen from ANYONE
Agree!!!! best first post in history of forums!
altho, i don't want it to be mangini :(... but if the guys like him, enough for me.
I think this sparta guy might know more than what we think and the story he told is not 100% true (about the pizza detective thing).. i think he is an insider.... i would consider his post the official leak!
I get the feeling the story was more of a framing device for his actual research. I cite the fact that instead of posting his own pictures, he posted pictures from the studio websites.
That said, his conclusions definitely seem valid.
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The pizza story is preposterous and, if any of you believe that, you need some serious help. LOL
BUT, I agree that the pizza thing was just a funny way of presenting the evidence and that post is really funny and cool. My wife's family lives on Long Island. I'm going to ask if one of them can go hang out near the studio and take some pictures. Will keep you all updated.
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I hate to burst your bubble guys but if Mangini mentioned the "North Shore", as a former resident of Boston, he simply meant north of Boston. The North Shore is a very common geographical reference up around there. Rumborak and any Boston/MA folk could back me up on this.
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I hate to burst your bubble guys but if Mangini mentioned the "North Shore", as a former resident of Boston, he simply meant north of Boston. The North Shore is a very common geographical reference up around there. Rumborak and any Boston/MA folk could back me up on this.
Hmm... from Mangini's site:
JAN 13: In the Midst of recording tracks for Groove Rock band Graphite at their studio in N. Mass.
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Yeah, North Shore definitely refers to MA, which is confirmed by what ddtonfire just posted. But, at least we know the studio now.
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Quick someone tell DT we're onto their whereabouts and that we have eyes on them
snake eyes on them
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Well, snake eyes' family on them anyway.
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Well, we'll see. :) I can't promise anything, but I'm going to do my best.
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Well, snake eyes' family on them anyway.
snake eyes' family on them
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amazing...
any updates? :yarr
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Hey clinky!
No, zero updates regarding the new drummer :(
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I hate to burst your bubble guys but if Mangini mentioned the "North Shore", as a former resident of Boston, he simply meant north of Boston. The North Shore is a very common geographical reference up around there. Rumborak and any Boston/MA folk could back me up on this.
Yeah. For somebody living in Boston, saying North Shore is assumed to mean north of Boston. It's a fixed term here.
rumborak
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Nice story, mate!
I also think that Mike Mangini wasn't referring to the north shore of Long Island. We still got next to nothing about this.
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That was a great post Sparta, and an amazing first post at that. Thank you so much for finding out that information, I hope you stick around here. :heart
This!
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That was the best first post I've seen from ANYONE
This exactly! Thanks, Sparta! :tup
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Good stuff Sparta. Didn't Major Thirteenth say that he knew they were on Long Island before he "disappeared"?
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DUDE I FUCKING LOVE YOU! You have to be a Journalist!!!! AWESOME JOB!
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I hate to burst your bubble guys but if Mangini mentioned the "North Shore", as a former resident of Boston, he simply meant north of Boston. The North Shore is a very common geographical reference up around there. Rumborak and any Boston/MA folk could back me up on this.
orcus is correct. I hope we are both wrong though. I hope Mangini is being vauge.
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Where's this pic of James pirating the studio? I can't find it.
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I hate to burst your bubble guys but if Mangini mentioned the "North Shore", as a former resident of Boston, he simply meant north of Boston. The North Shore is a very common geographical reference up around there. Rumborak and any Boston/MA folk could back me up on this.
Yeah. For somebody living in Boston, saying North Shore is assumed to mean north of Boston. It's a fixed term here.
rumborak
Ok.. understood, then.. this just gives me some hope again that its not mangini :angel: i want it to be Lang!!! or hernandez/weckl for a crazzy shake.. i bet that would be soo zappaish!!
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Someone needs to tweet the guys and let them know they have been out-ed.
DT fans are smart and relentless when it comes to speculation and details.
Did DT say they were at Avatar officially? If so, then they lied to us fans! Clever attempt to fool us and keep the lid on for a while.
I expect pics of them entering the studio next.
Maybe this will inspire them to tell us already. A cell phone pic of the new guy would definitely steal a lot of their thunder, and it would make the "official" announcement a mere formality. All they will be able to do is confirm a rumor rather than make a surprise announcement.
Tick, tick, tick.....
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They didn't say they were at Avatar.
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studio mystery train
:corn
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On Mangini's website it say he performed/recorded with " Dream Theater (whole band,) "
Does anyone know when he did this?
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On Mangini's website it say he performed/recorded with " Dream Theater (whole band,) "
Does anyone know when he did this?
He played in one DT's live shows in Portnoy's two-persons drum kit.
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In JR's latest Youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25MWLfpQy98), he says that he's going to be back at the studio with DT for one *last* week. That means that they've almost finished writing the songs - I doubt they'd finish recording already.
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In JR's latest Youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25MWLfpQy98), he says that he's going to be back at the studio with DT for one *last* week. That means that they've almost finished writing the songs - I doubt they'd finish recording already.
A whole month for "writing" would be good in my book!
B.Lee
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In JR's latest Youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25MWLfpQy98), he says that he's going to be back at the studio with DT for one *last* week. That means that they've almost finished writing the songs - I doubt they'd finish recording already.
He's talking about last week ;)
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In JR's latest Youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25MWLfpQy98), he says that he's going to be back at the studio with DT for one *last* week. That means that they've almost finished writing the songs - I doubt they'd finish recording already.
Bassoon polka intermission would be a great if added in a song for the new album!!!
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In JR's latest Youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25MWLfpQy98), he says that he's going to be back at the studio with DT for one *last* week. That means that they've almost finished writing the songs - I doubt they'd finish recording already.
He's talking about last week ;)
He's talking about the next week being the last week. At least that's what I understand of it.
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In JR's latest Youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25MWLfpQy98), he says that he's going to be back at the studio with DT for one *last* week. That means that they've almost finished writing the songs - I doubt they'd finish recording already.
Bassoon polka intermission would be a great if added in a song for the new album!!!
Oh God I hope they don't do it! :P
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In JR's latest Youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25MWLfpQy98), he says that he's going to be back at the studio with DT for one *last* week. That means that they've almost finished writing the songs - I doubt they'd finish recording already.
Is it me or is does Jordan wear a Rush t-shirt?
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In JR's latest Youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25MWLfpQy98), he says that he's going to be back at the studio with DT for one *last* week. That means that they've almost finished writing the songs - I doubt they'd finish recording already.
He's talking about last week ;)
He's talking about the next week being the last week. At least that's what I understand of it.
He says they had a busy week last week and that they'll be back in the sutdio this week.
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He didn't say this week will be the last week. What he said was he's getting ready to go back into the studio and that he had a very busy week last week. That is all. :)
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In JR's latest Youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25MWLfpQy98), he says that he's going to be back at the studio with DT for one *last* week. That means that they've almost finished writing the songs - I doubt they'd finish recording already.
He's talking about last week ;)
He's talking about the next week being the last week. At least that's what I understand of it.
That is not what he said. Go back and listen again ;)
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He didn't say this week will be the last week. What he said was he's getting ready to go back into the studio and that he had a very busy week last week. That is all. :)
This.
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In JR's latest Youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25MWLfpQy98), he says that he's going to be back at the studio with DT for one *last* week. That means that they've almost finished writing the songs - I doubt they'd finish recording already.
Bassoon polka intermission would be a great if added in a song for the new album!!!
No, it wouldn't.
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"Everybody, I'm sitting here at home, I'm actually(?) getting ready to go back to the studio. I had a very busy week last week in the studio with Dream Theater"
That's what I understand (not a native English speaker), so I'm with pipo, Johny and the others (awesome band name). He's just talking about last week.
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100,000 views on this thread...
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Is that a bassoon or is it the weird synthy thing he came up with? The Harpejji?
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Eigenharp
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100,000 views on this thread...
When the drummer is announced, chaos will reign.
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Eigenharp
Ahh your right. I did well to remember the name of the harpejji though.
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100,000 views and still no announcement. maybe if we push it to 200,000 . . .
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It seems this is the 2nd most viewed thread ever on this forum.
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what is the #1 most viewed?
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what is the #1 most viewed?
The welcome thread in GD.
EDIT: Nevermind, turns out I misread the number. This is the most viewed thread. Sorry. :-[
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100,000 views and still no announcement. maybe if we push it to 200,000 . . .
And we already have 85 pages of speculation :lol
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100,000 views and still no announcement. maybe if we push it to 200,000 . . .
At present time, it is getting somewhere over, but close to, 1000 views per day. So, I hope we DONT hit 200,000; that would mean no new drummer announcement by until mid-May or later!
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100,000 views and still no announcement. maybe if we push it to 200,000 . . .
At present time, it is getting somewhere over, but close to, 1000 views per day. So, I hope we DONT hit 200,000; that would mean no new drummer announcement by until mid-May or later!
...so there IS a chance ;D c'mon guys, keep "viewing"
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*Refresh* *Refresh* *Refresh* *Refresh* *Refresh*
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This ain't looking well, lads. Way too many views :lol
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That was the best first post I've seen from ANYONE
Absolutely this. Any stake-out news?
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That was the best post I've seen from ANYONE
FTFY
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I drove back home, threw my hat deep into the closet and fell asleep on my bed without knowing that Cove City Sound Studios is located at North Shore of Long Island which might make it the place that Mike Mangini meant when he said the following:
"Heading to up the North Shore this week for rec session #2 of 2011. I will update my sites w/info asap. My Books site will be down for a while."
Wait, when/where did he say this?
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We already established that Mangini was talking about the Boston North Shore.
rumborak
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Oh, that'll teach me to skip a page!
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We need to get Marco back in the lead. That way, when it's finally announced that the new drummer is Marco, we'll win. :corn
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If marco is the drummer everyone wins
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If marco is the drummer everyone wins
I hear ya, braw.
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If marco is the drummer everyone wins
Good point!
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Well, one thing's pretty clear.
If this is really the 'last week' in the Studio like Jordan says, the guys REALLY haven't managed to keep up with updating us the way Mike would have. ::)
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No it isn't, he just said he had a pretty busy week last week.
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This. DT are going to stay in the studio until March/April at least. The writing process may be done quickly, but recording has always taken them several weeks.
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Yeah, keep up Joe!
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Well, one thing's pretty clear.
If this is really the 'last week' in the Studio like Jordan says, the guys REALLY haven't managed to keep up with updating us the way Mike would have. ::)
This is NOT the last week... as was said many times JR said he "had a busy last week" meaning last week, as in the week before this one... was busy.
At no point does he say "we are GOING to have a busy last week next week..." :facepalm:
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Well, one thing's pretty clear.
If this is really the 'last week' in the Studio like Jordan says, the guys REALLY haven't managed to keep up with updating us the way Mike would have. ::)
This is NOT the last week... as was said many times JR said he "had a busy last week" meaning last week, as in the week before this one... was busy.
At no point does he say "we are GOING to have a busy last week next week..." :facepalm:
And this is NOT 4 posts ago. I've been corrected 4 times already man. Chill.
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No Joe, you were wrong, and you must be told over and over until you repent for your sins.
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I drove back home, threw my hat deep into the closet and fell asleep on my bed without knowing that Cove City Sound Studios is located at North Shore of Long Island which might make it the place that Mike Mangini meant when he said the following:
"Heading to up the North Shore this week for rec session #2 of 2011. I will update my sites w/info asap. My Books site will be down for a while."
Wait, when/where did he say this?
I was wondering where this quote came from too. Does Mike Mangini have a Twitter account?
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:lol
I guess I'm listening to You Not Me on repeat until a mod says I can stop :(
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what's this "north shore" place? isn't DT recording on long island? i've never been there. are there shores on long island?
Quite possibly.
-Marc.
Well, he could be cryptic and maybe he's talking about the north shore of LI, but The North Shore generally refers to the coastal towns and cities north of Boston. I'm from The South Shore.
This was all discussed almost a month ago...
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I'll never be open...I can never be open again. And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend.
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I drove back home, threw my hat deep into the closet and fell asleep on my bed without knowing that Cove City Sound Studios is located at North Shore of Long Island which might make it the place that Mike Mangini meant when he said the following:
"Heading to up the North Shore this week for rec session #2 of 2011. I will update my sites w/info asap. My Books site will be down for a while."
Wait, when/where did he say this?
I was wondering where this quote came from too. Does Mike Mangini have a Twitter account?
It was here https://mikemangini.com/news.htm , but it looks like he changed it/or deleted it. to JAN 13: In the Midst of recording tracks for Groove Rock band Graphite at their studio in N. Mass.
"North Shore" means north of Boston as others pointed out. For example I live in the "South Shore" which is south of Boston.
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I drove back home, threw my hat deep into the closet and fell asleep on my bed without knowing that Cove City Sound Studios is located at North Shore of Long Island which might make it the place that Mike Mangini meant when he said the following:
"Heading to up the North Shore this week for rec session #2 of 2011. I will update my sites w/info asap. My Books site will be down for a while."
Wait, when/where did he say this?
I was wondering where this quote came from too. Does Mike Mangini have a Twitter account?
It was here https://mikemangini.com/news.htm , but it looks like he changed it/or deleted it. to JAN 13: In the Midst of recording tracks for Groove Rock band Graphite at their studio in N. Mass.
"North Shore" means north of Boston as others pointed out. For example I live in the "South Shore" which is south of Boston.
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Well...somebody will need to lay down drum tracks pretty quick so...
And if all things in the universe align in such a way that the new drummer is kept secret, we will know on July 24th when someone
climbs behind the kit at High Voltage.
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Well...somebody will need to lay down drum tracks pretty quick so...
And if all things in the universe align in such a way that the new drummer is kept secret, we will know on July 24th when someone
climbs behind the kit at High Voltage.
Very true, unless they have him wear a disguise :smiley:
We are probably going to know who it is, before then.
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How crazy would it be if they didn't announce it until their first show? It would be odd to do it at a festival where not everyone was a DT fan though.
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How crazy would it be if they didn't announce it until their first show? It would be odd to do it at a festival where not everyone was a DT fan though.
It would be odd. I do not think this will happen :smiley:
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Well...somebody will need to lay down drum tracks pretty quick so...
And if all things in the universe align in such a way that the new drummer is kept secret, we will know on July 24th when someone
climbs behind the kit at High Voltage.
Very true, unless they have him wear a disguise :smiley:
We are probably going to know who it is, before then.
Maybe DT will go in a new direction like Slipknot or Kiss and hide their true identity.
How great would "DT meets the Phantom of the Park" be?
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So when JM speaks, he'll be just like Ace and go "eek".
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So when JM speaks, he'll be just like Ace and go "eek".
or get an actor to speak for him like Peter Criss (who probably shouldn't be mentioned in a thread about the new drummer).
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So when JM speaks, he'll be just like Ace and go "eek".
or get an actor to speak for him like Peter Criss (who probably shouldn't be mentioned in a thread about the new drummer).
Don't worry, I don't think anyone's going to confuse DT's new drummer with Peter Criss.
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We already have Myung with a face that look kinda like a catfish. We don't need a drummer that dresses like a cat. May the gods be with us.
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I hope John Myung announces who the new drummer is. Public service announcement style with a firm grip on his Starbucks tall chi latte. :metal
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So when JM speaks, he'll be just like Ace and go "eek".
or get an actor to speak for him like Peter Criss (who probably shouldn't be mentioned in a thread about the new drummer).
Don't worry, I don't think anyone's going to confuse DT's new drummer with Peter Criss.
:( Way to shoot down my hopes, dude.
I remember reading in a biography that on the recording of Destroyer, Bob Ezrin asked Peter Criss to play in half-time but he didn't know how to. :lol
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:lol wow
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OK. This is scary...
https://www.nme.com/news/the-white-stripes/54804
Please don't tell me they broke up because Meg got the job in DT...
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... Are you serious with this argument?
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I remember reading in a biography that on the recording of Destroyer, Bob Ezrin asked Peter Criss to play in half-time but he didn't know how to. :lol
In one of Gene Simmons' books, Gene stated that Peter didn't know any music terminology at all. Not even time signatures. He played entirely by feel.
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... Are you serious with this argument?
I think it's pretty obvious he was kidding...
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Posted by: Arch Benemy
Quote from: tri.ad on Today at 08:04:14 AM
"... Are you serious with this argument?"
"I think it's pretty obvious he was kidding..."
Indeed I was. Thank you Arch Benemy.
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Alright, fair enough.
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Now this could be something of nothing but thought i'd post it here;
Published on: February 10th, 2011
Progressive Jazz Fusion artist Anders Helmerson has released the title track, "Triple Ripple"
According to Anders....
"Triple Ripple" is a demonstration of the world's most spectacular drummer Marco Minneman and his ability to make it all sounds easy and fluent. But the fact is, what he is doing here, nobody else could do. Marco was recently touted to be the natural replacement for Mike Portnoy in Dream Theatre, but I am keeping my fingers crossed in hopes that he'll choose to stay with me."
Here's the link
https://www.theopenpress.com/index.php?a=press&id=95821 (https://www.theopenpress.com/index.php?a=press&id=95821)
The interesting part is "I am keeping my fingers crossed in hopes that he'll choose to stay with me." - does that mean that Marco has been offered the job ??!!
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He may be basing that off of RR's press release. Who knows?
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The interesting part is "I am keeping my fingers crossed in hopes that he'll choose to stay with me." - does that mean that Marco has been offered the job ??!!
no.
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I'm gonna laugh if Jordan Rudess updates his facebook with "And the new drummer is.......in the studio with us."
Because you'll think he's announcing the name, AND it could be taken either way as to whether he has been there the whole time or not.
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No it said drummer for Dream Theatre.
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I'd laugh SO hard if they didn't announce the drummer all the way up until the first show.... then.... when they come out onstage and everyone thinks they're FINALLY going to see who the new drummer is....
HE'S OFFSTAGE!
hahahahhahahaa
"Um..... sorry guys, this still isn't, um, the right time to announce the new drummer..... so we're going to keep him offstage. We'll tell you real soon! Maybe next tour, in fact!" :lol
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I'd laugh SO hard if they didn't announce the drummer all the way up until the first show.... then.... when they come out onstage and everyone thinks they're FINALLY going to see who the new drummer is....
HE'S OFFSTAGE!
hahahahhahahaa
"Um..... sorry guys, this still isn't, um, the right time to announce the new drummer..... so we're going to keep him offstage. We'll tell you real soon! Maybe next tour, in fact!" :lol
:lol
I think they are going to announce it, once they are done recording the new album.
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hah!!
they announced new tour dates but still no drummer! :loser:
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I asked James on fb, if there was a possibility that we have to wait for the tour/album to get the announcement, he replied:
"That's a little too long. You won't have to wait that long. Take care."
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I asked James on fb, if there was a possibility that we have to wait for the tour/album to get the announcement, he replied:
"That's a little too long. You won't have to wait that long. Take care."
I stand by the idea that when the first single comes out, they'll announce the new drummer. I think that might be a couple months away, but at least it's not July. I'd say... maybe late April/early May.
-Marc.
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I asked James on fb, if there was a possibility that we have to wait for the tour/album to get the announcement, he replied:
"That's a little too long. You won't have to wait that long. Take care."
I stand by the idea that when the first single comes out, they'll announce the new drummer. I think that might be a couple months away, but at least it's not July. I'd say... maybe late April/early May.
-Marc.
I actually doubt it will be so early. As they started writing bc&sl in October and it didn't get released before end of june. I think the signle will come in june/july and the album in August.
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I asked James on fb, if there was a possibility that we have to wait for the tour/album to get the announcement, he replied:
"That's a little too long. You won't have to wait that long. Take care."
I stand by the idea that when the first single comes out, they'll announce the new drummer. I think that might be a couple months away, but at least it's not July. I'd say... maybe late April/early May.
-Marc.
I actually doubt it will be so early. As they started writing bc&sl in October and it didn't get released before end of june. I think the signle will come in june/july and the album in August.
OR.... one of our more dedicated NY / Long Island area fans can camp out the studio.... pics please... :yarr
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I stand by the idea that when the first single comes out, they'll announce the new drummer. I think that might be a couple months away, but at least it's not July. I'd say... maybe late April/early May.
-Marc.
That seems pretty likely right now.
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I think the announcement will come once the drummer starts laying down drum tracks.
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I asked James on fb, if there was a possibility that we have to wait for the tour/album to get the announcement, he replied:
"That's a little too long. You won't have to wait that long. Take care."
nice!
JLB just commented on my wall post:
I said: "Florida would love to have you. DT is very much loved here. Still need to get Static Impulse, Elements of Persuasion is great, great prog metal. Rock on!"
And he said: "Hey James. Pick up SI, I promise you won't be disappointed. Take care and see you in Florida."
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Where in FL??
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Well, I live near Fort Pierce. Going to West Palm, Orlando, Fort Lauderdale, or Tampa is about 2 hours any which way (which is actually really nice because not one of their main choices of venue is too far away).
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I was in Ft Pierce for business last thursday :)
Im in Ft Lauderdale.
If they come to Pompano Ampitheater, pm me. We can meet up.
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For real, I am down for that! Yeshua and I have met up twice for DT shows, I'm sure he'd be down as well. :metal
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I may be in the area around Thanksgiving time. If it works out that we go and they are playing around that time, count me in as well.
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Then I will have to do pre-show cook out.
Also, my firm has 4 ADT club level seats at the Bank Atlantic Center. You get club level seats, plus free beer and killer buffets (sushi, steak, coal fired pizza, pastas, etc.)
I am already taking clients to see Maiden in April (Nikko is a client at one of my branches) and Rush in March. But if another good show comes around, I will let you guys know.
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Sweet! Even if there isn't a show, I will have to let you know next time I am out in FL.
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I'm in miami.. so count me in! pm me
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Sweet! Even if there isn't a show, I will have to let you know next time I am out in FL.
Please do.
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I may be in the area around Thanksgiving time. If it works out that we go and they are playing around that time, count me in as well.
Dude. :metal
Rush in March.
March 30th? I am seeing them on that date. In West Palm I believe
I'm in miami.. so count me in! pm me
For sure, make sure we all remember. :lol
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Cant someone design a twitter bot that basically just non stopvtweets JB, CJS, and JR until they get so fed up that they just spill the beans?
If they love us like they say they do, we should find out on Valentine's day.
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If they love us like they say they do, we should find out on Valentine's day.
Haha are we at this point already? I guess we are. We've being looking for that present so bad haha
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R
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OADRUNNER
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:loser:
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OT: about twitter, has DTForums.org got a twitter account?. i know the ytse time has it, but it would be different for a community to have it. We would post there titles of our "must-to-see" thread ( :D ), and get in contact with JR JP and JLB...
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OT: about twitter, has DTForums.org got a twitter account?. i know the ytse time has it, but it would be different for a community to have it. We would post there titles of our "must-to-see" thread ( :D ), and get in contact with JR JP and JLB...
I love this idea.
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Me too. First twitter...
THEN THE WORLD
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Will we reach the 100 page mark and still not knowing who the new drummer is?
I'm at a point now where I don't even care anymore... but I have to admit this must be the best kept secret since years.
I was really hoping for Marco, but that seem to be a no go.
... oh well. :sadpanda:
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Will we reach the 100 page mark and still not knowing who the new drummer is?
I'm at a point now where I don't even care anymore... but I have to admit this must be the best kept secret since years.
I was really hoping for Marco, but that seem to be a no go.
... oh well. :sadpanda:
R
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OCK ON!!! :metal
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OADRUNNER
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ROCK RUNNER!!! (ROAD) :metal :metal
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Run Rock Roader
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Road rockerRun
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:facepalm:
:rollin
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I asked James on fb, if there was a possibility that we have to wait for the tour/album to get the announcement, he replied:
"That's a little too long. You won't have to wait that long. Take care."
nice!
JLB just commented on my wall post:
I said: "Florida would love to have you. DT is very much loved here. Still need to get Static Impulse, Elements of Persuasion is great, great prog metal. Rock on!"
And he said: "Hey James. Pick up SI, I promise you won't be disappointed. Take care and see you in Florida."
Haha, he just added me and I saw this on his wall :D
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My bet is that they will announce the drummer right after the last guy stopped caring.
rumborak
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OT: about twitter, has DTForums.org got a twitter account?. i know the ytse time has it, but it would be different for a community to have it. We would post there titles of our "must-to-see" thread ( :D ), and get in contact with JR JP and JLB...
I love this idea.
Also love this idea. Needs somebody (or a few people) with good humor.
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would someone explain to me why Minnemann has jumped so many votes?
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would someone explain to me why Minnemann has jumped so many votes?
Wishful thinking, as usual.
B.Lee
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Having found a DT poster in an issue of Spider-Man, I can only assume that Spidey is the new drummer. Just think what Spidey Sense could do for music?
"But wait," you might say, "that issue came out over a year ago."
"Well," I reply, "He has Spidey Sense. He must have seen it coming."
"Hang on," you interject, "the poster wasn't even in his room."
"Well," I respond, "fuck you."
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Hey, then we might get Awake played in its entirety in concert. :neverusethis:
My bet is that they will announce the drummer right after the last guy stopped caring.
rumborak
So, never? Because the most rabid fanboys will always care (at least those who aren't totally hung up on MP).
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Having found a DT poster in an issue of Spider-Man, I can only assume that Spidey is the new drummer. Just think what Spidey Sense could do for music?
"But wait," you might say, "that issue came out over a year ago."
"Well," I reply, "He has Spidey Sense. He must have seen it coming."
"Hang on," you interject, "the poster wasn't even in his room."
"Well," I respond, "fuck you."
LOL
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Well, Awake is about Spider-Man, so it would make sense. More sense than Aquiles Priester (or Dave Weckl).
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rabid fanboys ... at least those who aren't totally hung up on MP
Does not compute.
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Well, Awake is about Spider-Man, so it would make sense. More sense than Aquiles Priester (or Dave Weckl).
Word.
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rabid fanboys ... at least those who aren't totally hung up on MP
Does not compute.
I figured that someone would point that out.
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I want Richard Christy as new drummer although I know he is not choosen.I really love Sound of Perseverance :hefdaddy
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would someone explain to me why Minnemann has jumped so many votes?
because devin townsend
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would someone explain to me why Minnemann has jumped so many votes?
because devin townsend
Correct. Also would've accepted: Kevin Moore. Partial credit for: Lames JaBrie.
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would someone explain to me why Minnemann has jumped so many votes?
because devin townsend
Correct. Also would've accepted: Kevin Moore. Partial credit for: Lames JaBrie.
Hahaha, I don't know why but that Lames JaBrie made me laugh out loud.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kp-CR4muus
Not sure what Blob would think of that, pretty random. Lames JaBrie could be his evil twin or something.
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What happened to Blob anyway? Does he still post on other boards?
rumborak
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And, more importantly, in what way is that video meant to be funny, and why are people heroworshipping it in the comments?
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And, more importantly, in what way is that video meant to be funny, and why are people heroworshipping it in the comments?
Because they are stupid.
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I think that was just another Youtube Poop. It's where they take a video, videos, or clips and molest them into a big pile of dumb, noise, and glitchy jumps.
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Youtube Poops are mentally challenged.
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Youtube Poops are mentally challenging.
FTFY
:P
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I think that was just another Youtube Poop. It's where they take a video, videos, or clips and molest them into a big pile of dumb, noise, and glitchy jumps.
Right. Where's the joke?
'Cause right now I'm siding with hefdaddy's explanation.
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I think that was just another Youtube Poop. It's where they take a video, videos, or clips and molest them into a big pile of dumb, noise, and glitchy jumps.
Right. Where's the joke?
'Cause right now I'm siding with hefdaddy's explanation.
You may trust hefdaddy in all things.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kp-CR4muus
Not sure what Blob would think of that, pretty random. Lames JaBrie could be his evil twin or something.
I think my second post ever under my current username was about the JLB action figure.
Edit: Yep, just checked on the old board. Crazyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Lames JaBrie is JLB's younger brother. He has a really bad haircut and sang on Once in a LIVEtime.
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Anthony Edwards sounds like a good choice as any others mentioned.
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Looks like we can rule Johnny Mac out..
https://www.bravewords.com/news/156064
Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2011 at 16:52:24 EST
As previously reported, well travelled (literally, as well as musically) drummer JOHN MACALUSO informed BraveWords.com that he will be behind the skins on the upcoming HOLY HELL dates supporting MANOWAR. Macaluso and HALFORD guitarist Metal MIKE CHLASCIAK were part of a panel, judging the School Of Rock auditions in Cherry Hill, NJ on February 12th. In addition to his newfound employer, Macaluso is anxious to get recording the new album with Norwegian progsters, ARK.
"Tore (Ostby, guitarist/ex-CONCEPTION) lives in Sweden now. For years he was (ragging) on Swedes and now he goes and marries a Swedish girl and lives in Stockholm," says the always wisecracking New Yorker. "I can't wait to get this thing recorded! Our new singer is fucking incredible."
The "old" one, Jorn Lande, wasn't a slouch either! Following the Holy Hell stint, Macaluso will head to Italy for a month of Paiste sponsored clinics. Around May, he hopes to head to Scandinavia for the Ark recordings.
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Looks like we can rule Johnny Mac out..
https://www.bravewords.com/news/156064
Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2011 at 16:52:24 EST
As previously reported, well travelled (literally, as well as musically) drummer JOHN MACALUSO informed BraveWords.com that he will be behind the skins on the upcoming HOLY HELL dates supporting MANOWAR. Macaluso and HALFORD guitarist Metal MIKE CHLASCIAK were part of a panel, judging the School Of Rock auditions in Cherry Hill, NJ on February 12th. In addition to his newfound employer, Macaluso is anxious to get recording the new album with Norwegian progsters, ARK.
"Tore (Ostby, guitarist/ex-CONCEPTION) lives in Sweden now. For years he was (ragging) on Swedes and now he goes and marries a Swedish girl and lives in Stockholm," says the always wisecracking New Yorker. "I can't wait to get this thing recorded! Our new singer is fucking incredible."
The "old" one, Jorn Lande, wasn't a slouch either! Following the Holy Hell stint, Macaluso will head to Italy for a month of Paiste sponsored clinics. Around May, he hopes to head to Scandinavia for the Ark recordings.
yes, this definitely rules him out. Plus, someone who was apparently a friend of his said he didn't even audition, so...
B.Lee
On a side note, it's great to hear news of Ark. And given Jorn was absolutely fantastic, I can't wait to hear who they have chosen as a singer if he is incredible! :metal
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Wow, it's well into Febuary and we still don't know anything. :-[
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Wow, it's well into Febuary and we still don't know anything. :-[
They recording new album and then we will now who is new drummer
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It's probably only a matter of a few weeks.
Wow, it's well into Febuary and we still don't know anything. :-[
They recording new album and then we will now who is new drummer
/accidentally the entire English language.
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Wow, it's well into Febuary and we still don't know anything. :-[
They recording new album and then we will now who is new drummer
They're auditioning drummers, then we will know.
They're figuring out legalities, then we will know.
They're recording the album, then we will know.
;)
rumborak
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It's probably only a matter of a few weeks.
Ohhh boy here we go again
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I wish they could tell us that the drummer will be announced when the album is finished. Then I would live in peace until then. But the not-knowing-anything is making my head implode in all kind of pancakes.
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This morning I officially stopped caring about who the new drummer is.
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This morning I officially stopped caring about who the new drummer is.
Phew, I'm glad.
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What happened to Blob anyway? Does he still post on other boards?
rumborak
He sometimes post on mp.com
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This morning I officially stopped caring about who the new drummer is.
Phew, I'm glad.
Was he the last one? Because they can release the name now, if so. NOT THAT I CARE...
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They're auditioning drummers, then we will know.
They're figuring out legalities, then we will know.
They're recording the album, then we will know.
;)
rumborak
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I have it on good authority that in the year 2012, the following events will transpire (all in very close sequence):
1. The planets of our solar sustem will align.
2. Dream Theater will anounce the new drummer.
3. The clock will tick over to 12/21/12
4. The earth explodes
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This morning I officially stopped caring about who the new drummer is.
Phew, I'm glad.
Was he the last one? Because they can release the name now, if so. NOT THAT I CARE...
I still care
My bet is that they will announce the drummer right after the last guy stopped caring.
rumborak
So no, they won't announce it yet :biggrin:
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My theory:
They chose a guy with an already signed contract with another label. Either they're waiting for the contract to expire or they're trying to cancel it, Meanwhile, they already booked a studio so they have to use it. The new guy is not there. Only Jordan, James and the John's are there jamming. They send every day their fresh material to the new guy for him to add ideas and be ready to record the drum parts for the final mix. It's all a legal issue. People's jobs are on the line here.
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JP's recent interview where he stated something along the lines of...This is much deeper than you know...leads me
to believe that there are probably multiple issues weighing this process down.
A part of me wonders if the band knew then what they know now...would they have made the same choice?
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JP's recent interview where he stated something along the lines of...This is much deeper than you know...leads me
to believe that there are probably multiple issues weighing this process down.
A part of me wonders if the band knew then what they know now...would they have made the same choice?
JP's recent interview where he stated something along the lines of...This is much deeper than you know...leads me
to believe that there are probably multiple issues weighing this process down.
A part of me wonders if the band knew then what they know now...would they have made the same choice?
Well it shows they are willing to stick by him through all this. I'm sure it will all be resolved eventually and then they will be glad they made the choice they did.
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My theory:
There is no drummer...
Its just impossible to keep a secret for that long and have no leaks.
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...and James and Jordan told us that they have found a drummer because?
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My theory:
There is no drummer...
Its just impossible to keep a secret for that long and have no leaks.
Maybe they locked him :P
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...and James and Jordan told us that they have found a drummer because?
They are evil and wanted to play with our feelings?
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My theory is that Jordan will just play drum beats using his keyboard. Like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs3kxzPYwHc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs3kxzPYwHc)
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My theory:
There is no drummer...
Its just impossible to keep a secret for that long and have no leaks.
Maybe they locked him :P
I hear you, braw.
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It almost has to be Mike Mangini. Every other famous drummer has been confirmed in an interview or through credible word of mouth that they either didn't audition or didn't get the job. Mangini's recording with another band, but they haven't announced he's been permanently hired. This also squares with him not being in the studio with the band. When one of his students asked about whether he got the Dream Theater gig, he didn't answer and tensed up.
I don't see what else it can logically be.
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Good point, ReaPsTA
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I think Mangini makes the most sense as well, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was someone else.
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I was thinking, if it is Mangini then you just know in the press release from RoadRunner it will make reference to MM having won the title of 'fastest drummer in the world' as if that was a main factor in the band choosing him. Not a big issue, but that would irritate me.
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Please, not Mangini.
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Apparently Mike Mangini is the most probable option at this point. I still hope the new drummer is Minnemann. Or Lang.
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oh.. Please not another mike
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It almost has to be Mike Mangini. This also squares with him not being in the studio with the band.
Has this been confirmed? The drummer is NOT with them?
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Please, not Mangini.
+1
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i think that no matter who it is, you all should wait til you hear the album to be mad at the choice
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i think that no matter who it is, you all should wait til you hear the album to be mad at the choice
I hope that everybody reads this post carefully and do what the man says.
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i think that no matter who it is, you all should wait til you hear the album to be mad at the choice
Pretty much this. But, as I said, at this point, they may not even announce it until there's a sneak-peak at the album, or until the first single is released. Of course, if they way til then, there will likely be a video, which would be a GREAT way to literally SHOW off the new drummer.
Personally, at this point, I can wait a little longer til we get the first single, which will likely be around May or June at the rate they are going.
-Marc.
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I think they might announce it when the new guy is contractually a member and joins the rest of the band in the studio.
He aint there yet.
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Not sure why everyone thinks he's not with them. Just because they haven't said he is, doesn't mean he isn't. It would just cause more fuss if they said he was there.
It would be funny if JR did an iPhone video and was really casual about it, "Hey guys, what's up? Just wanted to show you around the studio, here's my eigenharp rig it's pretty good, this is my keyboard we've got some great songs around this Snarling Fucking Pig sound. Here's John Petrucci ('What's up guys?') and John Myung (...). You all know Paul Northfield hiding behind the computer there, and here's Rich Chycki who's mixing for us. Over here we've got Mr. Bosk, who is our new drummer (*smiles and waves*). Well that's pretty much it, it's really going great so far and we'll see all of you... on the road."
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*waives (with sweatshirt tied around waist)*
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el bosko the drumer o
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Si.
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i si what tu did there
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Un baterista de ensueño!
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Your Spanish appears to be defective.
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Let me do my job, perro.
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who you calling perro, cabron
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Me and my latino friends will lay waste upon you.
Cerdo.
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Es decir, excremento.
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Es decir, excremento.
Emin, tu y yo pertenecemos al gang latino.
La Cobra Negra, Cabrón!
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Al parecer, charlamos en espanol en un foro de ingles ahorita?
I'm down with that!
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Apparently Mike Mangini is the most probable option at this point. I still hope the new drummer is Minnemann. Or Lang.
Why do people hope for things that are impossible?
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Apparently Mike Mangini is the most probable option at this point. I still hope the new drummer is Minnemann. Or Lang.
Why do people hope for things that are impossible?
Human nature I guess.
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What if the new drummer will announced in April fools day?
I can imagine:
"The new guy is Mike Mangini.
Naaaat!!"
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Apparently Mike Mangini is the most probable option at this point. I still hope the new drummer is Minnemann. Or Lang.
Why do people hope for things that are impossible?
Human nature I guess.
Yeah, human nature. I just like their skills more than Mangini's. I don't think that Minnemann is an impossible option, though, just very unlikely at this point.
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Apparently Mike Mangini is the most probable option at this point. I still hope the new drummer is Minnemann. Or Lang.
Why do people hope for things that are impossible?
Why do you say those are impossible? The fact that both are recording with another band right now doesn't mean they won't be joining DT in the studio later. As far as I've been reading here they have not been confirmed as permanent members of those bands. It's also possible I missed a post...
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Who thinks this thread will get to 100+ posts before we know. :sadpanda:
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Who thinks this thread will get to 100+ posts before we know. :sadpanda:
I do!
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It almost has to be Mike Mangini. Every other famous drummer has been confirmed in an interview or through credible word of mouth that they either didn't audition or didn't get the job. Mangini's recording with another band, but they haven't announced he's been permanently hired. This also squares with him not being in the studio with the band. When one of his students asked about whether he got the Dream Theater gig, he didn't answer and tensed up.
I don't see what else it can logically be.
not true. the guy that gets my vote has only been mentioned in this thread a few times, is NOT in the poll, and HAS been confirmed by a source to have tried out. that's all i'm sayin on it...
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oops...double post...
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It almost has to be Mike Mangini. Every other famous drummer has been confirmed in an interview or through credible word of mouth that they either didn't audition or didn't get the job. Mangini's recording with another band, but they haven't announced he's been permanently hired. This also squares with him not being in the studio with the band. When one of his students asked about whether he got the Dream Theater gig, he didn't answer and tensed up.
I don't see what else it can logically be.
not true. the guy that gets my vote has NOT been mentioned once in this thread, is NOT in the poll, and HAS been confirmed by a source to have tried out. that's all i'm sayin on it...
And that is....?
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And that is....?
all i'm sayin on it...
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Oh come on, if you saying someones been confirmed by a source to have tried out, surely you can tell us. What's the point in not saying anything.
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It almost has to be Mike Mangini. Every other famous drummer has been confirmed in an interview or through credible word of mouth that they either didn't audition or didn't get the job. Mangini's recording with another band, but they haven't announced he's been permanently hired. This also squares with him not being in the studio with the band. When one of his students asked about whether he got the Dream Theater gig, he didn't answer and tensed up.
I don't see what else it can logically be.
not true. the guy that gets my vote has NOT been mentioned once in this thread, is NOT in the poll, and HAS been confirmed by a source to have tried out. that's all i'm sayin on it...
And that is....?
I would like to know his speculation also. I went through his posts and did not see any drummer he mentioned.
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i edited my original post. the guy actually has been mentioned.
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I would like to know his speculation also. I went through his posts and did not see any drummer he mentioned.
that's because i havent named him here
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I would like to know his speculation also. I went through his posts and did not see any drummer he mentioned.
that's because i havent named him here
Hey everyone,
I have a speculation on who the new drummer is, he has been mentioned somewhere in this Universe or the next. I am not going to post it here though.
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:rollin
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Who thinks this thread will get to 100+ posts before we know. :sadpanda:
Oh, absolutely. I have the impression we're not gonna hear anything for a while still.
rumborak
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Hey everyone,
I have a speculation on who the new drummer is, he has been mentioned somewhere in this Universe or the next. I am not going to post it here though.
*golf clap*
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Hey everyone,
I have a speculation on who the new drummer is, he has been mentioned somewhere in this Universe or the next. I am not going to post it here though.
*golf clap*
Welllll???????????? Who are you on about??? :lol
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Who thinks this thread will get to 100+ posts before we know. :sadpanda:
We've already had over 100 posts; in fact, we've had over 3,000 posts. Or did you mean pages?
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Yeah sorry, pages. :)
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Yeah sorry, pages. :)
I think we will easily hit over 100 pages.
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Of course we will. We can talk about how we will hit 100 pages for another page or two.
Seriously, though, I doubt we'll be told before April, at this rate. If they haven't told us already, they're likely going to wait until they are done writing and/or recording the album, as they've been in the studio for over 6 weeks (in some capacity).
-Marc.
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Of course we will. We can talk about how we will hit 100 pages for another page or two.
Seriously, though, I doubt we'll be told before April, at this rate. If they haven't told us already, they're likely going to wait until they are done writing and/or recording the album, as they've been in the studio for over 6 weeks (in some capacity).
-Marc.
That's what I'm thinking as well. If (and that's a very big if) things regarding the drummer are going faster than expected, we might get to know it even before it. Judging from what JLB said, DT want to announce it just as badly as the general fanbase wants it to know (well, maybe DT's longing has taken the lead now). But I'm not counting on an announcement before April/May.
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@phentalmyst: B.S. If you think you know who it is, spill it. If you don't, don't post and say you do.
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I would like to know his speculation also. I went through his posts and did not see any drummer he mentioned.
that's because i havent named him here
Well, either guess or don't. You're not allowed to be smug about it if you don't put your foot in the ring, though. It's international law.
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@phentalmyst: B.S. If you think you know who it is, spill it. If you don't, don't post and say you do.
i didn't say i know who the new drummer is. i said the guy that gets my vote has not been ruled out and is not in the poll. my post was in response to ReaPsTA's claim that all possible drummers other than Mangini have been ruled out. i argue that and one source that's already been named in this thread backs that up. how is that against any rules?
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I would like to know his speculation also. I went through his posts and did not see any drummer he mentioned.
that's because i havent named him here
Well, either guess or don't. You're not allowed to be smug about it if you don't put your foot in the ring, though. It's international law.
again, my point was simply to re-butt ReaPsTA's claim that all possibilities other than Mangini have been spoken for.
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Why don't you just state who you think it is? Especially if you say he auditioned. Just spit it out
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Yeah, with your super-secret choice. I can't see the need to act so mysterious.
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Yes, come on, if you know something, spill the beans, Dude! We all wanna know what YOU know... :biggrin:
B.Lee
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He probably thinks it's Priester. In which case I will respond for the millionth time that there's no way they hire a no-name who doesn't have the chops to play DT material.
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i don't get why i'm being accused of being so secretive simply coz i haven't said his name. a little research on pages 16-17 and you'll see it quite a few times. jesus.
and no, i don't think it's priester. i can't stand him.
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I would like to know his speculation also. I went through his posts and did not see any drummer he mentioned.
that's because i havent named him here
Well, either guess or don't. You're not allowed to be smug about it if you don't put your foot in the ring, though. It's international law.
again, my point was simply to re-butt ReaPsTA's claim that all possibilities other than Mangini have been spoken for.
There are many possibilities...so who do you think it is? This is the whole point of this Topic/Thread.
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i don't get why i'm being accused of being so secretive simply coz i haven't said his name. a little research on pages 16-17 and you'll see it quite a few times. jesus.
It's probably because you're saying we should review a 90 page long thread instead of just saying you think it's Derek Roddy.
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i don't get why i'm being accused of being so secretive simply coz i haven't said his name. a little research on pages 16-17 and you'll see it quite a few times. jesus.
It's probably because you're saying we should review a 90 page long thread instead of just saying you think it's Derek Roddy.
^this
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i don't get why i'm being accused of being so secretive simply coz i haven't said his name. a little research on pages 16-17 and you'll see it quite a few times. jesus.
All right, let's get Jesus on the poll.
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i don't get why i'm being accused of being so secretive simply coz i haven't said his name. a little research on pages 16-17 and you'll see it quite a few times. jesus.
All right, let's get Jesus on the poll.
Done.
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i don't get why i'm being accused of being so secretive simply coz i haven't said his name. a little research on pages 16-17 and you'll see it quite a few times. jesus.
All right, let's get Jesus on the poll.
Waaaaaaahahahahaha amen for that brother!
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i don't get why i'm being accused of being so secretive simply coz i haven't said his name. a little research on pages 16-17 and you'll see it quite a few times. jesus.
All right, let's get Jesus on the poll.
hahahah! :D
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phentalmyst, I'm not going to tell you again to quit trolling the thread.
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i don't get why i'm being accused of being so secretive simply coz i haven't said his name. a little research on pages 16-17 and you'll see it quite a few times. jesus.
It's probably because you're saying we should review a 90 page long thread instead of just saying you think it's Derek Roddy.
there are 90 pages between 16 & 17?
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if i'm trolling then you really are the new drummer...
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i don't get why i'm being accused of being so secretive simply coz i haven't said his name. a little research on pages 16-17 and you'll see it quite a few times. jesus.
It's probably because you're saying we should review a 90 page long thread instead of just saying you think it's Derek Roddy.
there are 90 pages between 16 & 17?
Seriously? It took you EIGHT posts to even say which pages he was mentioned in, and you even said "that's all I'm gonna say" like you were in the know or your choice was somehow unique. The only thing I regret here is having wasted the time to go back and check those pages thus giving in to your attention seeking.
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i'm not in the know. he's simply my guess based off blabbermouth's claim. no one buys blabbermouth for the most part, but to me he makes sense.
by he, i mean roddy.
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i'm not in the know. he's simply my guess based off blabbermouth's claim. no one buys blabbermouth for the most part, but to me he makes sense.
by he, i mean roddy.
No way. I can't seem him totally giving up death metal.
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well, i can.
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priester's no no-name. one other north american and i know who he is, and surely 10's of people in south america are familiar.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28lUsDquJ70&feature=related
anybody knows who is this guy ?
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That's the love child of Geddy Lee and Tommy Aldrich!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28lUsDquJ70&feature=related
anybody knows who is this guy ?
Stoyan Yankoulov, it says right there ;D...
Tin
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i'm not in the know. he's simply my guess based off blabbermouth's claim. no one buys blabbermouth for the most part, but to me he makes sense.
by he, i mean roddy.
I just looked up the guy and then proceeded to watch an aimless sequence of blast beats, fast double-bass and lackluster cymbal work.
Good god do I wish it's Minnemann.
rumborak
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priester's no no-name. one other north american and i know who he is, and surely 10's of people in south america are familiar.
Agreed here. I am sure a lot of people have heard Angra, not only in south america but in north america and europe as well. And he played for 8 years with them. I do agree with Bosk that he is not nearlly good enough to be in DT.
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priester's no no-name. one other north american and i know who he is, and surely 10's of people in south america are familiar.
Agreed here. I am sure a lot of people have heard Angra, not only in south america but in north america and europe as well. And he played for 8 years with them. I do agree with Bosk that he is not nearlly good enough to be in DT.
haha I think you missed his sarcasm.
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priester's no no-name. one other north american and i know who he is, and surely 10's of people in south america are familiar.
I'm from south america, and even if I've heard a lot of Angra, I had no idea who this dude was till it was mentioned here.
I'm sure I'm gonna get a lot of hate, but he doesn't really stand out to me in Angra.
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Really I've known who Priester was for a long time and always thought he was outstanding. Temple of Shadows is pretty insane and in my top albums of all time. Anyways I don't think he is a fit or if so it would be kinda random since although definately proggy at times Angra is more power metal. LOL at thinking he cant play Theater stuff though.
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Im calling BULLSH!T
Dave Weckl is Jesus
One has to go from the poll, that is unfair.
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Really I've known who Priester was for a long time and always thought he was outstanding. Temple of Shadows is pretty insane and in my top albums of all time. Anyways I don't think he is a fit or if so it would be kinda random since although definately proggy at times Angra is more power metal. LOL at thinking he cant play Theater stuff though.
I think Aquiles has the chops for DT.
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i'm not in the know. he's simply my guess based off blabbermouth's claim. no one buys blabbermouth for the most part, but to me he makes sense.
by he, i mean roddy.
I just looked up the guy and then proceeded to watch an aimless sequence of blast beats, fast double-bass and lackluster cymbal work.
Good god do I wish it's Minnemann.
rumborak
this. cant stand roddy, really annoying playing
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Really I've known who Priester was for a long time and always thought he was outstanding. Temple of Shadows is pretty insane and in my top albums of all time. Anyways I don't think he is a fit or if so it would be kinda random since although definately proggy at times Angra is more power metal. LOL at thinking he cant play Theater stuff though.
I think Aquiles has the chops for DT.
There's more to playing DT than just playing fast double-bass and fills.
There's also another issue: Priester plays in a band that makes music I hate with a passion. To put it mildly. I just listened to a Youtube video of him drumming a song called "Acid Rain", and beside the drumming being rather average, I had to fight a gag reflex because of the music.
rumborak
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I have hoped (and still hope) it's Minnemann all along. From the drummers speculated/listed, he strikes out to me as the best. The man's a beast.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LljL8ymUQ-c&feature=related
The guy just has a lot of fun when playing it seems. DT could really use an infusion of plain fun.
rumborak
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Definitely, his drumming appears to me as downright fun :D
It also helps the man's a great multi-instrumentalist. He plays his drums in a very musical way.
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Really I've known who Priester was for a long time and always thought he was outstanding. Temple of Shadows is pretty insane and in my top albums of all time. Anyways I don't think he is a fit or if so it would be kinda random since although definately proggy at times Angra is more power metal. LOL at thinking he cant play Theater stuff though.
I think Aquiles has the chops for DT.
There's more to playing DT than just playing fast double-bass and fills.
There's also another issue: Priester plays in a band that makes music I hate with a passion. To put it mildly. I just listened to a Youtube video of him drumming a song called "Acid Rain", and beside the drumming being rather average, I had to fight a gag reflex because of the music.
rumborak
I think he is a phenomenal drummer, however I do not like the music either. Some of the Angra stuff is pretty cool though. He could easily pull off DT, he has an awesome Mapex drum set too.
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I can see numerous of the aforementioned guys being "picked". Marco, Mike, and Priester I think would do "justice" in DT. That said, I also think there a afew others (not mentioned in the poll) that would do well. Long & short, I would assume that we all respect the members of DT, and regardless of the choice, THEY know better than all of us what they want/need to continue.
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Priester I think would do "justice" in DT.
LOL
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yes, that post was oozing with sarcasm.
also: i'm pretty sure priester could handle mike's parts.
also: i'm not sure how any DT fan could be induced to blow chunks upon angra's music hitting his or her ears. Acid Rain might be far from their best song, but it's definitely not that bad. And everything they've released since has had a noticeable shift to being more progmetal-esque than powermetal; as well, said subsequent releases have been more consistent that dream theater's output in recent years.
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Really I've known who Priester was for a long time and always thought he was outstanding. Temple of Shadows is pretty insane and in my top albums of all time. Anyways I don't think he is a fit or if so it would be kinda random since although definately proggy at times Angra is more power metal. LOL at thinking he cant play Theater stuff though.
I think Aquiles has the chops for DT.
There's more to playing DT than just playing fast double-bass and fills.
There's also another issue: Priester plays in a band that makes music I hate with a passion. To put it mildly. I just listened to a Youtube video of him drumming a song called "Acid Rain", and beside the drumming being rather average, I had to fight a gag reflex because of the music.
rumborak
I think he is a phenomenal drummer, however I do not like the music either. Some of the Angra stuff is pretty cool though. He could easily pull off DT, he has an awesome Mapex drum set too.
Angra's a great band, but suffers a bit from the double-bass syndrome and that kind of detracts a little from them.
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yes, that post was oozing with sarcasm.
also: i'm pretty sure priester could handle mike's parts.
also: i'm not sure how any DT fan could be induced to blow chunks upon angra's music hitting his or her ears. Acid Rain might be far from their best song, but it's definitely not that bad. And everything they've released since has had a noticeable shift to being more progmetal-esque than powermetal; as well, said subsequent releases have been more consistent that dream theater's output in recent years.
also: not every DT fan is a fan of power/prog metal.
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isnt it impossible to be a DT fan and not like progmetal?! cuz, you know, thats what they are.
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subsequent releases have been more consistent that dream theater's output in recent years.
Hmmm, I don't know.
Rebirth is cool.
Temple of Shadows is brilliant.
Aurora Consurgens was meh.
Aqua has a couple of interesting tracks, but I think it's boring as a whole.
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yes, that post was oozing with sarcasm.
also: i'm pretty sure priester could handle mike's parts.
also: i'm not sure how any DT fan could be induced to blow chunks upon angra's music hitting his or her ears. Acid Rain might be far from their best song, but it's definitely not that bad. And everything they've released since has had a noticeable shift to being more progmetal-esque than powermetal; as well, said subsequent releases have been more consistent that dream theater's output in recent years.
also: not every DT fan is a fan of power/prog metal.
I am pretty sure he could play parts that are not power/prog metal. He already does, but most of the his bands as a whole have been power metal, with prog.
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isnt it impossible to be a DT fan and not like progmetal?! cuz, you know, thats what they are.
I agree, I love metal and especially prog metal, however DT does a lot more than prog metal.
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isnt it impossible to be a DT fan and not like progmetal?! cuz, you know, thats what they are.
No is not Impossible, I like DT(I like the older stuff better) and I like some bands that could be labeled as progmetal but most of progmetal makes me sick. And Angra is one of them.
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isnt it impossible to be a DT fan and not like progmetal?! cuz, you know, thats what they are.
No is not Impossible, I like DT(I like the older stuff better) and I like some bands that could be labeled as progmetal but most of progmetal makes me sick. And Angra is one of them.
I do not think you are going to like the new DT album.
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isnt it impossible to be a DT fan and not like progmetal?! cuz, you know, thats what they are.
No is not Impossible, I like DT(I like the older stuff better) and I like some bands that could be labeled as progmetal but most of progmetal makes me sick. And Angra is one of them.
trippy. the more i know.
though your avatar looks like a progmetal beast of a keyboardist.
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isnt it impossible to be a DT fan and not like progmetal?! cuz, you know, thats what they are.
No is not Impossible, I like DT(I like the older stuff better) and I like some bands that could be labeled as progmetal but most of progmetal makes me sick. And Angra is one of them.
I do not think you are going to like the new DT album.
Why? if they do another Systematic Chaos I would not like it, BC&SL was a step in the right direction.
isnt it impossible to be a DT fan and not like progmetal?! cuz, you know, thats what they are.
No is not Impossible, I like DT(I like the older stuff better) and I like some bands that could be labeled as progmetal but most of progmetal makes me sick. And Angra is one of them.
trippy. the more i know.
though your avatar looks like a progmetal beast of a keyboardist.
:lol
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isnt it impossible to be a DT fan and not like progmetal?! cuz, you know, thats what they are.
No is not Impossible, I like DT(I like the older stuff better) and I like some bands that could be labeled as progmetal but most of progmetal makes me sick. And Angra is one of them.
I do not think you are going to like the new DT album.
Why? if they do another Systematic Chaos I would not like it, BC&SL was a step in the right direction.
isnt it impossible to be a DT fan and not like progmetal?! cuz, you know, thats what they are.
No is not Impossible, I like DT(I like the older stuff better) and I like some bands that could be labeled as progmetal but most of progmetal makes me sick. And Angra is one of them.
trippy. the more i know.
though your avatar looks like a progmetal beast of a keyboardist.
:lol
Fair enough, although I enjoyed SC better than BCSL. BCSL is their worst in my opinion. But I like that album a lot too.
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I propose a law for DTF, I shall call it Rumborak's Law:
"For any conceivable opinion or album ordering, no matter how unlikely or unreasonable, it is only a question of time before a poster registers with that exact opinion. "
rumborak
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I have my own law about Dream Theater albums, call it the Law of Perpetual Change if you well.
"All opinions toward albums become more moderate over time, as fans collectively realize that the latest album is not the last."
Personally, I think SC is a good album in retrospect. Better than Black Clouds.
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the drummer being on a different label tie up seems plausible to me. anyone remember coheed and cambria's no world for tomorrow album? Chris Pennie joined the band but was not allowed to record due to legal reasons, so taylor hawkins from the foo fighters played on the album instead.
so these things arent impossible
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Really I've known who Priester was for a long time and always thought he was outstanding. Temple of Shadows is pretty insane and in my top albums of all time. Anyways I don't think he is a fit or if so it would be kinda random since although definately proggy at times Angra is more power metal. LOL at thinking he cant play Theater stuff though.
I think Aquiles has the chops for DT.
There's more to playing DT than just playing fast double-bass and fills.
There's also another issue: Priester plays in a band that makes music I hate with a passion. To put it mildly. I just listened to a Youtube video of him drumming a song called "Acid Rain", and beside the drumming being rather average, I had to fight a gag reflex because of the music.
rumborak
Fair enough. Try the song "Shadow Hunters." If you don't like that then I will concede you just hate everything Angra.
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The Shadow Hunter is an incredible song. I concur that if that doesn't click with someone who wants to get into Angra, nothing will. :lol
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hehe ya pretty much. I love their style on the album. I really like Sprouts Of Time as well. For me the entire album is unreal.
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@Piratecjs (James LaBrie)
" Extenuating circumstances prevail with maintaining the drummer's secrecy. Once revealed it will have been worth the wait and understood. ;-)"
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Cool. They're such a tease :D
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Nice of him to say something about it.
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Maybe it's Watson the IBM computer.
What could they say that would make it "understood"? If it's the behind-the-scenes lawyer battle that people seem convinced about (which I am not) they aren't going to say that in the end.
Maybe they are waiting to release it along with a song so people don't hear and and say "Oh him! That's gonna suck! I won't buy it!" but if they hear something they like it won't matter who it is. I dunno.
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Fair enough. Try the song "Shadow Hunters." If you don't like that then I will concede you just hate everything Angra.
I just listened to it. It was alright, but not great.
rumborak
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Fair enough. Try the song "Shadow Hunters." If you don't like that then I will concede you just hate everything Angra.
I just listened to it. It was alright, but not great.
rumborak
Cool, at least you make the effort and check songs out unlike some snobby prog dudes. Ya if you don't like that song Angra is just not for you.
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I have my own law about Dream Theater albums, call it the Law of Perpetual Change if you well.
"All opinions toward albums become more moderate over time, as fans collectively realize that the latest album is not the last."
Also as those who were alienated by the last album defect, and new fans will by definition be more sympathetic, as they weren't themselves put off by it. This is half the reason that for every band in existence, people hail the older stuff as the best. I remember when Absolution wasn't a patch on OoS. Now The Resistance is out and it's a step down from BHaR, which can't compare to the OoS / Absolution golden age.
Think SC's cracking though. Always have.
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I have my own law about Dream Theater albums, call it the Law of Perpetual Change if you well.
"All opinions toward albums become more moderate over time, as fans collectively realize that the latest album is not the last."
Personally, I think SC is a good album in retrospect. Better than Black Clouds.
The Law of Perpetual Change only applies to Perpetual Change.
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Since I've been a fan, I've seen ToT ass-raped and then inducted into an album people pretty much all like.
Octavarium, same thing basically. Especially in terms of the title track. At first it was just OK, and now it was DTF's favorite song last year.
Systematic Chaos hasn't been out long enough to really tell, but I think it's pretty obvious that people have started warming up to it.
People went crazy over Black Clouds at first, but it's stale. I'm curious to see where it'll end up in people's rankings a few years from now.
And of course look how people have flipped on Falling Into Infinity. We might as well put it up there with Awake and Images.
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ToT is still as unpopular as ever, from my perception.
rumborak
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ToT is still as unpopular as ever, from my perception.
rumborak
I don't remember offhand, but I don't remember people hating on it very much at all when we did that discussion series leading up to BCASL.
Which by the way I hope happens again.
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And of course look how people have flipped on Falling Into Infinity. We might as well put it up there with Awake and Images.
Fixed it for you.
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(https://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3716/17171110150095393815688.jpg)
Not seen this photo before. How come Paul Northfield is there? I thought Rich Chycki was working with them?
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Since I've been a fan, I've seen ToT ass-raped and then inducted into an album people pretty much all like.
Octavarium, same thing basically. Especially in terms of the title track. At first it was just OK, and now it was DTF's favorite song last year.
Come on, Octavarium had always been loved (the song). I don't ever remember a time when it was "just OK" and I was certainly around when it was released.
For that matter, there was always a loud segment of the fanbase who "ass-raped" TOT, but there has also always been a large segment that loved it. It was never "ass-raped" by the majority.
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Who is that guy in the middle on the picture?
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Who is that guy in the middle on the picture?
Eren Basbug: He did the explorations thing with Jordan.
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Since I've been a fan, I've seen ToT ass-raped and then inducted into an album people pretty much all like.
Octavarium, same thing basically. Especially in terms of the title track. At first it was just OK, and now it was DTF's favorite song last year.
Come on, Octavarium had always been loved (the song). I don't ever remember a time when it was "just OK" and I was certainly around when it was released.
For that matter, there was always a loud segment of the fanbase who "ass-raped" TOT, but there has also always been a large segment that loved it. It was never "ass-raped" by the majority.
I never said anything about a majority.
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Was going for Lang but now decided on Actual Real-Life Jesus
(https://i51.tinypic.com/140gldy.jpg)
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Who is that guy in the middle on the picture?
James LaBrie. Makeovers are cool.
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Another day. Another tweet indicating more time is necessary before the drummer is named. It's going to be anticlimactic when
the dude is finally named. But in the end the only thing that matters is that the choice led to the best musical output. I sure hope
they got it right.
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They're naming a new drummer. There isn't really anything intrinsically climactic about it such that it could now be anti-climactic.
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They're naming a new drummer. There isn't really anything intrinsically claimactic about it such that it could now be anti-climactic.
But.......but...my world revolves around it!!!!!
I am looking forward to new music. That is what's killing me!! :D
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I'm just guessing that they'll want to do more than just drop a name at this point, though.
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I'm just guessing that they'll want to do more than just drop a name at this point, though.
That's what I'm thinking also. Though, they keep telling us soon but I'm wondering if it will coincide(sp?) with the CD announcement.
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They're naming a new drummer. There isn't really anything intrinsically claimactic about it such that it could now be anti-climactic.
In actuality they are NOT naming a new drummer. And I can only speak for myself. You are free to feel as you wish. In my case
I was pretty pumped for the first couple months but with the passage of more time it has become anticlimactic for me. And to
reiterate, at this juncture all that matters to me is the music. I trust the band made what they feel was the best choice for
the music, and to me, the music is all that matters.
Peace
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Another day. Another tweet indicating more time is necessary before the drummer is named.
Sure. But it at least confirms what is kinda obvious. It's not what they planned to happen. And what I like more is that he said what happened would be explained.
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^It's not really important to me if the event is ever explained. As long as the band is ultimately
happy with their choice and the album meets or exceeds their artistic vision.
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Good for you and for us, 'cause it's definitely going to be explained. :D
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If it is Mike Portnoy, he's doing a hell of a job to throw everyone off. It's like a Jaquin Phoenix thing or something.
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It's not Mike Portnoy.
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Does anyone else have the feeling that Eren Basbug could become the Yoko Ono of Dream Theater?
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In what way? Ugly as hell? Screechy voice? Crap taste in music?
So many aspects to Yoko, you gotta specify.
rumborak
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In what way? Ugly as hell? Screechy voice? Crap taste in music?
So many aspects to Yoko, you gotta specify.
rumborak
:\
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In what way? Ugly as hell? Screechy voice? Crap taste in music?
So many aspects to Yoko, you gotta specify.
rumborak
lol
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Thomas Lang............................. I just know it.................... ;D
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Thomas Lang............................. I just know it.................... ;D
I originally voted for TL, and while I'd still like to see him in DT, I don't really care anymore who the new drummer is.
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Yaaahhh! Marco is in the lead. We're going to win! :biggrin:
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Yaaahhh! Marco is in the lead. We're going to win! :biggrin:
James just told the other guys: Oh crap, Marco is ahead in their poll. Call him up quick!
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Yaaahhh! Marco is in the lead. We're going to win! :biggrin:
Have you seen Minnemann´s tour schedule?
Monday, February 14, 2011 - Netherlands
Wednesday, February 16, 2011 - Germany
Thursday, February 17, 2011 & Friday, February 18, 2011 - Netherlands
Friday, March 11, 2011 - California
......???????
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Minneman's kinda been out for awhile now.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z6PPrr29ts
Why isn't Jonah Rocks on the list? I mean, his last name gives him a head start.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z6PPrr29ts
Why isn't Jonah Rocks on the list? I mean, his last name gives him a head start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLSeLbwrNo4
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Yaaahhh! Marco is in the lead. We're going to win! :biggrin:
Have you seen Minnemann´s tour schedule?
Monday, February 14, 2011 - Netherlands
Wednesday, February 16, 2011 - Germany
Thursday, February 17, 2011 & Friday, February 18, 2011 - Netherlands
Friday, March 11, 2011 - California
......???????
:omg: Extenuating circumstances...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E
how about this guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E
how about this guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol
Without even clicking on the link, I already knew who you were going to post...
Funny enough, he got to meet MP once, and MP said he was a fan of his work!
-Marc.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E
how about this guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol
I can't believe that got posted again.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E
how about this guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol
I can't believe that got posted again.
That has to be, what, six times now?
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Yaaahhh! Marco is in the lead. We're going to win! :biggrin:
Have you seen Minnemann´s tour schedule?
Monday, February 14, 2011 - Netherlands
Wednesday, February 16, 2011 - Germany
Thursday, February 17, 2011 & Friday, February 18, 2011 - Netherlands
Friday, March 11, 2011 - California
......???????
(https://files.sharenator.com/FUUUU_RE_FFFFFUUUU_Pizza-s508x387-44250.jpg)
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I hope they took a latin/jazz-drummer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q8kkQhS97g)
LOLJK!1!!1!~~@21! It would be nice for a couple of songs. I just hope the new drummer inspires them to try some new things.
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There's a lot of places I hope DT take their sound in the future... more classical, jazz, postrock, etc.
Latin, though? Please no...
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There's a lot of places I hope DT take their sound in the future... more classical, jazz, postrock, etc.
Latin, though? Please no...
Cuéntales sobre mi hermano, Cuéntales sobre mí, El Conde de la Toscana... (Trumpet solo)
Sounds good to me.
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There's a lot of places I hope DT take their sound in the future... more classical, jazz, postrock, etc.
Latin, though? Please no...
Cuéntales sobre mi hermano, Cuéntales sobre mí, El Conde de la Toscana... (Trumpet solo)
Sounds good to me.
Or
Gire la llave
Caminar a través de la puerta
El gran ascenso
Para alcanzar un nivel superior
Un rito de paso
Spanish guitar solo
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There's a lot of places I hope DT take their sound in the future... more classical, jazz, postrock, etc.
Latin, though? Please no...
Cuéntales sobre mi hermano, Cuéntales sobre mí, El Conde de la Toscana... (Trumpet solo)
Sounds good to me.
Not really a trumpet, more like Jordans keyboard making that retarted elephant sound.
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There's a lot of places I hope DT take their sound in the future... more classical, jazz, postrock, etc.
Latin, though? Please no...
Cuéntales sobre mi hermano, Cuéntales sobre mí, El Conde de la Toscana... (Trumpet solo)
Sounds good to me.
Not really a trumpet, more like Jordans keyboard making that retarted elephant sound.
And the difference is?
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There's a lot of places I hope DT take their sound in the future... more classical, jazz, postrock, etc.
Latin, though? Please no...
Cuéntales sobre mi hermano, Cuéntales sobre mí, El Conde de la Toscana... (Trumpet solo)
Sounds good to me.
Not really a trumpet, more like Jordans keyboard making that retarted elephant sound.
If is a slight against his Zappa sounding solo in Beyond This Life, You Deserve To Die For What You've Done.
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I'm not saying it's bad :lol I love it personally!
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Yeah man it's the technical name of the sound in his keyboard:
637 - Steel Guitar
638 - Western Concert Flute
639 - Retarded Elephant
etc
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Yeah man it's the technical name of the sound in his keyboard:
637 - Steel Guitar
638 - Western Concert Flute
639 - Retarded Elephant
etc
640 - John Petrucci Death Tone
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Its Minnemann !!!
Just found out from a mate who used to go out with the cousin (twice removed) of a man who used to know another man that works at the studio Dream Theater used to rehearse at, but is in contact with another guy who is working at the studio Dream Theater are recording at that, Marco Minnemann pulled an Uzi 9mm on John Petrucci, and after an intense seige, it was agreed that the DT gig is now his. You heard it here first !!!
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bill carson pls go
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Its Minnemann !!!
Just found out from a mate who used to go out with the cousin (twice removed) of a man who used to know another man that works at the studio Dream Theater used to rehearse at, but is in contact with another guy who is working at the studio Dream Theater are recording at that, Marco Minnemann pulled an Uzi 9mm on John Petrucci, and after an intense seige, it was agreed that the DT gig is now his. You heard it here first !!!
Your cousin... what?
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If Bill Carson was a Balrog, this thread would say "Run you fools".
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Its Minnemann !!!
Just found out from a mate who used to go out with the cousin (twice removed) of a man who used to know another man that works at the studio Dream Theater used to rehearse at, but is in contact with another guy who is working at the studio Dream Theater are recording at that, Marco Minnemann pulled an Uzi 9mm on John Petrucci, and after an intense seige, it was agreed that the DT gig is now his. You heard it here first !!!
Minemann sounds like a bit of a badass.
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Of course it true, Marco is very likely to be a madman that points guns at people ya know. :yeahright
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Of course it true, Marco is very likely to be a madman that points guns at people ya know. :yeahright
isn't he from austria like (https://www.isteroids.com/images/arnold-schwarzenegger-big_muscle.jpg)
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No, Thomas Lang is. Marco Minnemann is originally from Germany.
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my point was simple....
Marco has the ability & finances to purchase an Uzi 9mm and shoot everyone in DT. The fact that he did not does not hide the fact that, he could of done.
The other subtle point i'm making is.......i'm getting bored waiting for the official announcement so I would like to apologise on behalf of the Queen for disrespecting this thread !
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an Uzi 9mm isn't enough when you're facing a bear, a ninja, a wizard, and a pirate
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an Uzi 9mm isn't enough when you're facing a bear, a ninja, a wizard, and a pirate
Indeed. And they aren't exactly unarmed either - the bear has ferocious speed attacks, the ninja has tackling attacks, the wizard has an array of devices at his disposal, and the pirate has a shovel... for digging... treasure.
-Marc.
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bill carson pls go
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If Bill Carson was a Borlag, this thread would be locked by now.
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an Uzi 9mm isn't enough when you're facing a bear, a ninja, a wizard, and a pirate
:lol This is what this thread has become.
2011 is quite an exciting year.
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an Uzi 9mm isn't enough when you're facing a bear, a ninja, a wizard, and a pirate
THIS
DT are like the prog Superfriends armed with Starbucks
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Bill Carson :lol
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"Wow, you guys are persistent. Oh, and the weather is something I really don't have much use for seeing as I'm inside most of the time." from JLB's twitter. Will this be related to DT fans' obsession of knowing who the drummer is? :D
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Well its good he's not getting butt-hurt at all the people constantly tweeting and facebooking him. Its great to see him get a laugh at how pathetic forumers are...haha.
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JLB must be bored in the studio checking this thread on jordan's ipad or something....... :yarr
If anything, I'd take that as a go ahead to go stalk mode on their ass!
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Well its good he's not getting butt-hurt at all the people constantly tweeting and facebooking him. Its great to see him get a laugh at how pathetic forumers are...haha.
HEY WE'RE NOT PATHETIC WE DONT EVEN
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"...Oh, and the weather is something I really don't have much use for seeing as I'm inside most of the time." Hmmmmmmmmm ;)
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Well its good he's not getting butt-hurt at all the people constantly tweeting and facebooking him. Its great to see him get a laugh at how pathetic forumers are...haha.
HEY WE'RE NOT PATHETIC WE DONT EVEN
Yeah, I mean it's not like any of us would want to go hang out around the studio to see who it is...
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I didn't mean to put it like that. Just how some are.
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I am really, really starting to think it's Mangini now.
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"...Oh, and the weather is something I really don't have much use for seeing as I'm inside most of the time." Hmmmmmmmmm ;)
Could it mean that the New Drummer is really obese and blots out the sun?
hmmmmm......
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"...Oh, and the weather is something I really don't have much use for seeing as I'm inside most of the time." Hmmmmmmmmm ;)
Could it mean that the New Drummer is really obese and blots out the sun?
hmmmmm......
(https://www.gifanatics.com/files/638449281_l.gif)
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"...Oh, and the weather is something I really don't have much use for seeing as I'm inside most of the time." Hmmmmmmmmm ;)
Could it mean that the New Drummer is really obese and blots out the sun?
hmmmmm......
Haha, check the Cove City Studios thread ;)
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bill carson, please stick around
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"...Oh, and the weather is something I really don't have much use for seeing as I'm inside most of the time." Hmmmmmmmmm ;)
Could it mean that the New Drummer is really obese and blots out the sun?
hmmmmm......
(https://www.gifanatics.com/files/638449281_l.gif)
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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an Uzi 9mm isn't enough when you're facing a bear, a ninja, a wizard, and a pirate
:rollin
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Just found this video, dunno if anyone else has seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jh2wE3ocU0. go to 5:35. "deeper than most people know"? what does THAT mean??
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Just found this video, dunno if anyone else has seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jh2wE3ocU0. go to 5:35. "deeper than most people know"? what does THAT mean??
The whole universe is obviously hanging in balance with this decision. :metal
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lol
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Hope they don't pull a Lebron James and announce it on an hour long episode of That Metal Show called "The Decision."
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They should let Ryan Seacrest announce it. Give it a massive dramatic pause beforehand showing all the contestants with their eyes shut, fingers crossed doing some kinda prayer in their head.
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Hope they don't pull a Lebron James and announce it on an hour long episode of The Metal Show called "The Decision."
Don Jamison could fill out an hour. :lol
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Hope they don't pull a Lebron James and announce it on an hour long episode of The Metal Show called "The Decision."
:rollin
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Lebron James... James Lebron... James LaBrie? :-[
Lebron James is the new drummer...
/tinfoilhat
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Lebron James... James Lebron... James LaBrie? :-[
Lebron James is the new drummer...
/tinfoilhat
Keep rowing. We almost hit the 100th page.
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Its no worse than some of the other random speculation going on around here :P
I think I will be disappointed when the announcement is made because we won't be able to speculate anymore. In all seriousness, this is a great thread, it introduced me to a lot of drummers I hadn't heard of before.
I don't care who wins as long as the band likes him and we get more great music to listen to.
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I meant no harm with my post, it's just that we might as well have fun in such a tense situation :D
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Well if what I heard is true, we will find out who it is after 100 pages! go go go!
*5 pages from now*
You know guys i bet we will find out when the thread hits 200 pages lets keep speculating ;)
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I think I will be disappointed when the announcement is made because we won't be able to speculate anymore.
"The best part of the movie is often the car ride to the theater." - Jerry Seinfeld
And that's not to say the new drummer will be bad, I'm sure he'll be great, it's just that the anticipation is often indeed the best part.
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Lebron James... James Lebron... James LaBrie? :-[
Lebron James is the new drummer...
/tinfoilhat
:omg: Now that's just wrong! :lol
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"..im gonna take my talents to the north shore, and play with dream theater."
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LOL :rollin
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"..im gonna take my talents to the north shore, and play with dream theater."
LOL!
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"..im gonna take my talents to the north shore, and play with dream theater."
Genius.
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Joey Jordison anyone? (https://gunshyassassin.com/news/rumor-is-joey-jordison-dream-theater%E2%80%99s-new-drummer/)
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Well he fits into the band members naming structure....which is about all you can say.
James LB
John P
John M
Jordan R
Joey J
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Joey Jordison anyone? (https://gunshyassassin.com/news/rumor-is-joey-jordison-dream-theater%E2%80%99s-new-drummer/)
No.
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Cool video including a lot of the drummers which are on the list plus a lot of others that are not but still great plus a funny ending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijs_xms5rGI&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijs_xms5rGI&feature=related)
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"So is Joey who, as part of Slipknot, shares a label home with Dream Theater and if anyone could replicate Mikes intricate work and further leave his own stamp on Dream Theaters future recordings, it is Jordison."
I love Jordison and Slipknot, but's almost laughable. He's a good drummer, but there are plenty of guys that could play DT stuff. And what does "Wouldnt you be really interested to hear a Dream Theater record again?" mean anyway? Did they miss the part where they're in the studio right now?
That coupled with the fact that Slipknot has already scheduled another live appearance, I just don't see it happening. Then again if he's the guy and I'm totally shocked, hey, I get one of my favorite metal drummers in my favorite band.
On the other hand, sneaking him into the studio with that mask on would work out quite nicely.
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Joey Jordison anyone? (https://gunshyassassin.com/news/rumor-is-joey-jordison-dream-theater%E2%80%99s-new-drummer/)
No.
Not even close. Just watched a drum solo by the guy, way too sloppy.
rumborak
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Any reason Dave DiCenso hasn't been considered in this thread?
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Joey Jordison anyone? (https://gunshyassassin.com/news/rumor-is-joey-jordison-dream-theater%E2%80%99s-new-drummer/)
No.
Not even close. Just watched a drum solo by the guy, way too sloppy.
rumborak
I'm in the same boat with you. If they guy's a good drummer, I haven't seen it. You certainly don't get to see it with that dreck that Slipknot plays.
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He's fast and flashy. That's it.
People are usually surprised by pyrotechnics.
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Cool video including a lot of the drummers which are on the list plus a lot of others that are not but still great plus a funny ending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijs_xms5rGI&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijs_xms5rGI&feature=related)
The first guy in that vid sounds really good. I hope its him.
+ FuckinHell Thomas Pridgen is SLOPPY :o
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Wouldn't it be cool if this was the new drummer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6LAyskAyNU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6LAyskAyNU)
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Jordison has gotten better over the years, and he's fast, but he's not technical fast which is why I'd be really surprised.
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Cool video including a lot of the drummers which are on the list plus a lot of others that are not but still great plus a funny ending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijs_xms5rGI&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijs_xms5rGI&feature=related)
The first guy in that vid sounds really good. I hope its him.
Haha. Either him or the last two guys :P
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Jordison has gotten better over the years, and he's fast, but he's not technical fast which is why I'd be really surprised.
He's no Floyd Sneed.
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Wouldn't it be cool if this was the new drummer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6LAyskAyNU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6LAyskAyNU)
:tup. I'd be very interested in how it would be with her singing MP's parts.
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Though I never even considered him I guess he's just as plausible as any other rumored guy. It would make me think they really
want to forge ahead in full-on-metal mode and moreso than any other drummer mentioned, it would explain the long delay. With
Joey I'd assume there could/would be huge legal complications with Slipknot. Part of me wonders if it would be an upward move
for him considering Slipknot's popularity.
Time will tell. Somebody will be behind the kit in July.
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El Negro Hernandez!!!
I didn't knew this George Kollias .. he is good
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I know Charlie Z has said that he didn't audition, but still interesting to note his new drum setup for 2011, which he posted on FaceBook
(https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b279/prostheticsummer/drumslol.jpg)
Would certainly allow him to play a much wider variety of material....
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He crossed my mind again the other day with the tweet from James. Could Charlie Z be back into the fray for the drummer?
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I was not under the impression he was ever in it. He just happened to post a few covers on YouTube right around audition time, whether that was an attempt to get an audition or just fun is unknown. He has stated on fb that he was not asked to audition in person.
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Mangini has not been on facebook in ages. Wonder what he's up to, he always used to be on???
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Jordan met Eren through youtube so we already are aware of the power that it can have in the modern world.
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(https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b279/prostheticsummer/drumslol.jpg)
I've been meaning to comment for awhile but kept forgetting but is there a guitar equivalent to this insanity? I'm not a drummer so I dunno how superfluous any of that stuff is. I'm sure all those things get used at some point but man.
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There is the 4 neck guitar from Michael Angelo Batio. I think that's the closest you can get
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Jordan met Eren through youtube so we already are aware of the power that it can have in the modern world.
charlie Z doesnt need youtube to meet the boys/jordan or show them his chops...he's already drummed with jordan
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Well you can have like 17 bajillion effects and amps for guitar. Or you can plug guitar straight into amp. It's like JP's rig vs. Angus young's setup.
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I've been meaning to comment for awhile but kept forgetting but is there a guitar equivalent to this insanity? I'm not a drummer so I dunno how superfluous any of that stuff is. I'm sure all those things get used at some point but man.
Not really sure what you mean by 'a guitar equivalent,' but drums are definately a much more customisable instrument than the guitar. You could hypothetically put almost any object into a drumkit; dustbin lids, wooden poles, a stapler; and someone would find a way to make the sound of hitting them with a stick fit into a song. Mess around too much with the basic format of a guitar and it won't be a guitar any more. The only real innovations you can do with guitars apart from paint flames on them and make them shaped like different letters are to add strings/necks and attach fancy electronics like Matt Bellamy.
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(https://nicholasgibson.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/img_4407.JPG)
or
(https://www.hutchinsguitars.com/images/BLGB-06.jpg)
:lol
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That guy looks exactly like this guy I see playing in the subway all the time lol
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I've been meaning to comment for awhile but kept forgetting but is there a guitar equivalent to this insanity? I'm not a drummer so I dunno how superfluous any of that stuff is. I'm sure all those things get used at some point but man.
Not really sure what you mean by 'a guitar equivalent,' but drums are definately a much more customisable instrument than the guitar. You could hypothetically put almost any object into a drumkit; dustbin lids, wooden poles, a stapler; and someone would find a way to make the sound of hitting them with a stick fit into a song. Mess around too much with the basic format of a guitar and it won't be a guitar any more. The only real innovations you can do with guitars apart from paint flames on them and make them shaped like different letters are to add strings/necks and attach fancy electronics like Matt Bellamy.
Fuck. Now when my friends and I finally really get our band together, there's going to have to be an array of staplers for our drummers kit. I'll be his stapler tech. Just go over in the middle of shows. Check 'em out. Make sure they're in tune. Open 'em, put in some new staples.
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That guy looks exactly like this guy I see playing in the subway all the time lol
Isn't that Pat Mentheny? If so he is an abosulute killer on guitar. How about Rick Neilson of Cheap Trick with his 5 neck guitar.
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(https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b279/prostheticsummer/drumslol.jpg)
I've been meaning to comment for awhile but kept forgetting but is there a guitar equivalent to this insanity? I'm not a drummer so I dunno how superfluous any of that stuff is. I'm sure all those things get used at some point but man.
A guitar is a different instrument from a drumset, you can't really compare them.
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That's a cool drumset. Terry Bozzio, on the other hand...
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One of the best things I ever saw in concert was Steve Vai playing fever Dream on his triple neck heart shaped guitar. it was just so funny watching his arms twirling about playing all three necks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLY5WkoBo98
A bit off topic. Sorry. But it might well be Mangini on the kit!
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That's a cool drumset. Terry Bozzio, on the other hand...
Nothing beats Bozzio's drum kit...
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kST1CLAfXfI/TMDKYlgf2hI/AAAAAAAAAQ4/YU_yf-qSElA/s1600/terry_bozzio_drumset2.jpg)
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Well you can have like 17 bajillion effects and amps for guitar. Or you can plug guitar straight into amp. It's like JP's rig vs. Angus young's setup.
JP gear isn't that bad.. altho compared to angus sure is big!
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Nothing beats Bozzio's drum kit...
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kST1CLAfXfI/TMDKYlgf2hI/AAAAAAAAAQ4/YU_yf-qSElA/s1600/terry_bozzio_drumset2.jpg)
Not really cool I would say. Seems like a picture from a drumstore or something...
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Nothing beats Bozzio's drum kit...
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kST1CLAfXfI/TMDKYlgf2hI/AAAAAAAAAQ4/YU_yf-qSElA/s1600/terry_bozzio_drumset2.jpg)
Not really cool I would say. Seems like a picture from a drumstore or something...
I guess you haven't heard Bozzio play, each tom is tuned to a note, same with the cymbals and kicks, and he plays it like a melodic rather than percussive instrument
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Yeah i wish he wouldn't. I wish he'd play, you know, the drums.
And he always has an awful sound too.
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Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Bozzio as well.
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I've been meaning to comment for awhile but kept forgetting but is there a guitar equivalent to this insanity? I'm not a drummer so I dunno how superfluous any of that stuff is. I'm sure all those things get used at some point but man.
It's not insanity. Every piece of that kit is conceivably useful in a musical context.
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I like Bozzio, especially his work with Tony Levin and Steve Stevens. The two BLS albums are pretty good instrumental progressive rock, almost as good as the two LTE albums, IMO, and Bozzio proves he can play drums as a drummer and not a melodic percussionist. He was also pretty good on the second U.K. album, but the first one can't be beat, especially because of the Bruford/Wetton rhythm section! One of the most unbeatable rhythm sections of all time.
That reminds me, both Bruford and Bozzio have played with Wetton AND Levin... weird how that worked out.
-Marc.
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I suppose TB did also have some good years with Zappa. Good, solid musical playing. Nothing against that.
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That reminds me, both Bruford and Bozzio have played with Wetton AND Levin... weird how that worked out.
Not really. Seriously, is there a musician alive who hasn't played with Levin?
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If we can't change votes anymore the mods should also prune all of the names from Zombie MP downwards.
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That reminds me, both Bruford and Bozzio have played with Wetton AND Levin... weird how that worked out.
Not really. Seriously, is there a musician alive who hasn't played with Levin?
:lol
I suppose you could say he does get around probably more than many other bassists!
-Marc.
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Does that make him the musical call girl of prog?
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I guess noboby took my post seriously from pages back. Oh well. When its announced everyone wiill see that I was right.
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I guess noboby took my post seriously from pages back. Oh well. When its announced everyone wiill see that I was right.
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Sorry I posted it in the Glen Cove Sound Studios thread. Well now I am posting it in here. The drummer is Mike Mangini. I live 20 minutes from the studio they are recording in. ;)
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Sorry I posted it in the Glen Cove Sound Studios thread. Well now I am posting it in here. The drummer is Mike Mangini. I live 20 minutes from the studio they are recording in. ;)
REALLY?
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Guys I think DT is waiting for this thread to get to 100 pages until they announce the drummer. GOGOGOGO
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Sorry I posted it in the Glen Cove Sound Studios thread. Well now I am posting it in here. The drummer is Mike Mangini. I live 20 minutes from the studio they are recording in. ;)
If this is true, how is he any better than Minnemann or Lang?
I just don't understand :sad: ...
Tin
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Yes really. He has been in the studio with them. It wasn't the North Shore of Boston. It was the North Shore of Long Island people. His look has changed slightly. That is all I can say. I think they will announce it very soon.
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He's not, but think about it. (1) He has worked with James before, (2) he lives fairly locally, (3) he teaches at Berklee, (4) he is really nice guy, (5) I think everyone will be surprised by his drumming on the new album.
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:D
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Hmmmmmmmmm.....
I don't know if Mangini can handle DT songs, but hey, They know what a good drummer is. They know what theyre doing. The'yre fucking motherfucking DT and know about what skills a drummer has to have tio becomeone of them. I have teh hopes for this guy, and atr least I know he's real fast so thats a goodp oint for him.
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If it's true, I can't wait to hear it. Mangini was my first pick, and I never changed my vote.
Also, I refuse to take anyone who cries "the sky is falling" because it wasn't their favorite guy before hearing how it sounds seriously.
From a technical standpoint, though, Mangini is better than Portnoy, so there won't be an issue of pulling off the songs.
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He's not, but think about it. (1) He has worked with James before, (2) he lives fairly locally, (3) he teaches at Berklee, (4) he is really nice guy, (5) I think everyone will be surprised by his drumming on the new album.
None of that means that Mangini is the one.
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He's not, but think about it. (1) He has worked with James before, (2) he lives fairly locally, (3) he teaches at Berklee, (4) he is really nice guy, (5) I think everyone will be surprised by his drumming on the new album.
You forgot... (6) the rest of the band decided it was easier to replace MP with another guy named Mike so they wouldn't have to remember a new name for their new drummer. ;)
-Marc.
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Those weren't my reasons for stating that he is chosen, I was just mentioning other facts about him and DT. He wasn't my first choice either, but remember its the music they write that counts, not the drummer. Yes it adds to overall feel, but in the end the reason we will keep listening is if the songs are good.
Everyone seems to be losing the point here too. We are all very lucky that DT is still making music. With the tremendous changes in the music business of late, its hard enough for bands to record good sounding records and being able to make money playing. I for one am just happy we will be getting another DT record, whoever the drummer is. That's what's important these days. I am a little biased being from Long Island and seeing them at the Malibu in 1992, which was there beginning stages. When you see all the prog boards and forums and everyone saying that DT hasnt made a good record in a decade it bothers me. They talk about all these other mediocre prog/power metal bands, but fro some reason they just don't see DT as relevant anymore. That's BS, they for me started the whole progmetal genre (current genre, not talking about the beginning bands) Sorry to rant, but I wanted to get this off my chest. I am a fan, first and foremost, and am happy that DT is still happy and diving into another record, which in today's world is kinda amazing. Oh, and by the Mike Mangini is still the drummer. James if you are reading this, just announce this already and get everyone excited about the future of DT, since it is to me amazing that you guys are still #1.
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You say you live 20 minutes from the studio... but have you actually seen Mangini going in or out?
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Well that is a tricky question. I don't want to say yes because I don't know who is actually reading this board if you catch my drift.
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Send us some PMs... no one can read those but the people you send them to.
-Marc.
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My menstrual cycle was delayed by a week, which clearly means it's Minnemann. Sorry dreamsforever, my menstrual cycle > you living 20 minutes away from the studio.
rumborak
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Well that is a tricky question. I don't want to say yes because I don't know who is actually reading this board if you catch my drift.
Seeing how this is a fairly anonymous place to post, and that's a new account, I can't understand the reluctance to give definitive information.
I'm personally tagging this one as BS.
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Everything we know has been pointing at Mangini for a long time, so I really don't have a hard time believing dreamsforever.
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LOL .... I'm with rumborak
dreamsforever - shut up. Seriously. Either you KNOW IT'S MIKE MANGINI or YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S MIKE MANGINI. Please don't come onto this forum attention whoring yourself just to make yourself look cool.
If you have seen him, then just say it. If you haven't, then just say it. Otherwise, please keep your mouth shut about it. No one needs that here.
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Well that is a tricky question. I don't want to say yes because I don't know who is actually reading this board if you catch my drift.
Seeing how this is a fairly anonymous place to post, and that's a new account, I can't understand the reluctance to give definitive information.
I'm personally tagging this one as BS.
Where are these people coming from?
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Jeez I saw him. Everyone calm down. I don't understand why everyone is so mad on this board as I am just trying to give information. What's the difference at this point anyway. He was the one most people thought it was anyway. I'm waiting for the next person to say bs, which will happen within 2 posts. I will not say anymore now, since everyone is so friggin pissed for some reason, which I don't understand. Choose to believe me or not, but im telling you that's it's mangini.
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LOL This forum is great fun.
I for one believe dreamsforever. Not only because he said it and sounds legit, but because everything points to him being the one. I've been going back and forth between Mangini and Minneman. Both would be excellent choices. Anyway, it's DT's choice that matters, not mine.
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Whether it's Mike or not, I can bet the new drummer has an "M" in his name somewhere!
-Marc.
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Whether it's Mike or not, I can bet the new drummer has an "M" in his name somewhere!
-Marc.
:omg: It's you?
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Whether it's Mike or not, I can bet the new drummer has an "M" in his name somewhere!
-Marc.
:omg: It's you?
:angel:
-Marc.
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LOL This forum is great fun.
I for one believe dreamsforever. Not only because he said it and sounds legit, but because everything points to him being the one. I've been going back and forth between Mangini and Minneman. Both would be excellent choices. Anyway, it's DT's choice that matters, not mine.
Same here. I don't see why someone would register at the forum just to lie. But I guess everyone's got their own sense of humor.
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Jeez I saw him. Everyone calm down. I don't understand why everyone is so mad on this board as I am just trying to give information. What's the difference at this point anyway. He was the one most people thought it was anyway. I'm waiting for the next person to say bs, which will happen within 2 posts. I will not say anymore now, since everyone is so friggin pissed for some reason, which I don't understand. Choose to believe me or not, but im telling you that's it's mangini.
We get pissed off because we've had an endless stream for over 90 pages now of people coming in and making all sorts of claims and then when pushed for evidence, we find out they have no evidence at all and just made it up, or refuse to say anything about how they know what they're claiming.
90 pages of this shit. It tends to get REALLY FUCKING FRUSTRATING after a while, so I think you can understand why its so goddamn annoying.
At least you say you've seen him then, good, thats fine.
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Dreamsforever, I don't believe you because we've had so many other people come in and make the same sort of statements. Its nothing against you personally because there's really nothing to judge you on, but you'll have to forgive me for being skeptical with your testimony when I don't know you at all.
I personally hope its not Mangini, and if it is, I hope he REALLY steps it up on the next DT instead of going "oh man I can play so fast."
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It had best be someone with MM as an initial. At work on the basement wall, I wrote Dream Theater and the band member initials. This was before MP's departure. Anyways, back when the Mangini craze first began, I crossed out MP and wrote MM above it.
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I personally hope its not Mangini, and if it is, I hope he REALLY steps it up on the next DT instead of going "oh man I can play so fast."
I just hope people actually wait to hear the new Dream Theater before complaining about how bad the new drummer is. Because honestly, from everything I've seen so far, I have absolutely no reason to believe their won't be a shitstorm as soon as the drummer is announced no matter who it is.
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Yeah it's starting to get PMS (Phantom Menace Syndrome) where it's hyped to the point that no matter what it is, it won't meet expectations.
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Yeah it's starting to get PMS (Phantom Menace Syndrome) where it's hyped to the point that no matter what it is, it won't meet expectations.
Problem with that statement is The Phantom Menace (and the rest of the prequels) were legitimately bad.
Point of proof: NOW THATS WHAT I CALL POD RACING
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Yeah it's starting to get PMS (Phantom Menace Syndrome) where it's hyped to the point that no matter what it is, it won't meet expectations.
Problem with that statement is The Phantom Menace (and the rest of the prequels) were legitimately bad.
Point of proof: NOW THATS WHAT I CALL POD RACING
The point is, that had Phantom Menace been the single greatest piece of cinema ever created it still wouldn't have met the expectations it received. It was so hyped up my grandparents went to it for goodness sake.
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Yeah it's starting to get PMS (Phantom Menace Syndrome) where it's hyped to the point that no matter what it is, it won't meet expectations.
Problem with that statement is The Phantom Menace (and the rest of the prequels) were legitimately bad.
Point of proof: NOW THATS WHAT I CALL POD RACING
The point is, that had Phantom Menace been the single greatest piece of cinema ever created it still wouldn't have met the expectations it received. It was so hyped up my grandparents went to it for goodness sake.
True, but saying it's going to be like The Phantom Menace is still implying its going to be bad overall.
I think a better comparison would be Fable. It was overhyped to shit and back. Game comes out? Sure, it's good. But it's nowhere near what people were expecting or what it was said to be. People hated it at first, there was many a disappointment. But overtime, people have realized it's actually a good game.
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I personally hope its not Mangini, and if it is, I hope he REALLY steps it up on the next DT instead of going "oh man I can play so fast."
I just hope people actually wait to hear the new Dream Theater before complaining about how bad the new drummer is. Because honestly, from everything I've seen so far, I have absolutely no reason to believe their won't be a shitstorm as soon as the drummer is announced no matter who it is.
Yep. It's a shame because we are sure to get a kick ass new DT album with a new drummer that kicks ass. If anyone should support whoever the new drummer is, it should be those on DTF no?
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hey everyone it's thomas lang lol I have my contacts you'll see ;)
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The whole PMS concept really doesn't have anything to do with how good it is or not. Maybe it's different for me because I'm one of four people in the world that doesn't consider Phantom Menace an absolute flaming piece of shit. :biggrin:
The original comment is correct though, no matter who it is people will be mad, and will say "They would've been better off with ..." If you really want to go into it (hey we're 90 pages in, so what the hell) it's Barry Swartz's theory of more options = less satisfying. If you have the option of drummer A or drummer B, and you pick one you think, "Oh it could've been better with the other guy." Maybe it would, maybe not, but you probably won't second guess yourself too much. But if you have drummers A, B, C, D, E, F, G, Kevin Moore then you start really thinking, "Oh this aspect could've been better with B, and this one if I had picked G." And you over analyze, just like at some point someone will come along and say, "They should've picked {every guy that's picked up a drum stick name here}."
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I think it's actually three people that liked Phantom Menace. But that's all beside the point.
The theory makes enough sense though. There's really only been a few names really in play, it seems. But there has been the option of a vast multitude of other drummers. It most likely is going to take an actual release to convince a lot of people that <insert drummer here> wasn't a mistake.
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Late to the party again, but I also call BS on this one until there's definite proof or an announcement. Sorry.
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Late to the party again, but I also call BS on this one until there's definite proof or an announcement. Sorry.
No, he saw him while he was walking to a place to do a thing ok? You just don't know what it's like to know things that others don't know. you don't know him, you don't know his life. Ok?
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:lol
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JLB's tweets are hinting at an awesome, unbelievable revelation when it comes and if it is Mangini that will be as flat as a Slash guitar solo to me. Obviously they are going to think the new guy is awesome whoever he is, but would Mangini really be that great a story?
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Thanks for info, dreamsforever. And if it really is him - then welcome aboard, Mike Mangini. :hefdaddy
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JLB's tweets are hinting at an awesome, unbelievable revelation when it comes and if it is Mangini that will be as flat as a Slash guitar solo to me. Obviously they are going to think the new guy is awesome whoever he is, but would Mangini really be that great a story?
What if it's Mike... Portnoy? :biggrin:
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Just watched this video of Charlie Z playing DP's Burn with Joe Lynn Turner (come on Joe, we know it's a wig) and although it's not prog I just love what he does with the drums, and it looks cool! I like this guy's drumming and he would have been a great DT drummer, I have no doubt. Without all this wild speculation I would never have known this guy or Thomas Lang, so 100 or so pages of almost total bollock has been worth it.
I no longer check this thread to see who the new drummer is as I've given up on ever finding out! It's been fun and informative though.
Still want Lang, haven't changed my vote from Mangini because I dreamt it early in the process.
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Anyway, I sincerely doubt James is just gonna drop a name at this point. The guys are supposedly all in the studio now, working on the new album. The new drummer will come with an announcement of the album's release date and title OR maybe we'll get some awesome rehearsal footage of the guys doing some new material in the studio with their new guy. That'd be awesome.
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Just watched this video of Charlie Z playing DP's Burn with Joe Lynn Turner (come on Joe, we know it's a wig) and although it's not prog I just love what he does with the drums, and it looks cool! I like this guy's drumming and he would have been a great DT drummer, I have no doubt. Without all this wild speculation I would never have known this guy or Thomas Lang, so 100 or so pages of almost total bollock has been worth it.
I no longer check this thread to see who the new drummer is as I've given up on ever finding out! It's been fun and informative though.
Still want Lang, haven't changed my vote from Mangini because I dreamt it early in the process.
You just checked this thread.
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Just watched this video of Charlie Z playing DP's Burn with Joe Lynn Turner
Link pls? :)
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Jeez I saw him. Everyone calm down. I don't understand why everyone is so mad on this board as I am just trying to give information. What's the difference at this point anyway. He was the one most people thought it was anyway. I'm waiting for the next person to say bs, which will happen within 2 posts. I will not say anymore now, since everyone is so friggin pissed for some reason, which I don't understand. Choose to believe me or not, but im telling you that's it's mangini.
You don't understand why everyone was giving you an attitude? Really? You come on this forum, with less than ten posts, and you boldly claim that, "It's Mangini," as if you know 100% that it's true, but when actually pressed for HOW you know, you say:
Well that is a tricky question. I don't want to say yes because I don't know who is actually reading this board if you catch my drift.
Um, WHO CARES who is reading this board? Like I said, either you saw him or you didn't. There's no need to say, "UR THAT'S A TRICKY ONE UR." I still think you're full of it, judging by this response. "Why are you guys so mad/ I'm just trying to give you information." Yeah, sure you are.
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By the way:
- WHERE did you see him?
- WHEN did you see him?
- what time of day was it?
- pictures?
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Oh shit. Snake Eyes is outraged again.
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Cheeky antidote to everyone shouting at dreamsforever like he's some kind of charlatan... I think you're being quite straight-up, direct and pleasant, and thanks for forwarding on the information.
And I'm not just saying that 'cause people are being really shouty and unfair. Admittedly, I wouldn't've vocalised it had they not been, but I do think you sound like you're telling the truth.
Jeez I saw him. Everyone calm down. I don't understand why everyone is so mad on this board as I am just trying to give information. What's the difference at this point anyway. He was the one most people thought it was anyway. I'm waiting for the next person to say bs, which will happen within 2 posts. I will not say anymore now, since everyone is so friggin pissed for some reason, which I don't understand. Choose to believe me or not, but im telling you that's it's mangini.
You don't understand why everyone was giving you an attitude? Really? You come on this forum, with less than ten posts, and you boldly claim that, "It's Mangini," as if you know 100% that it's true, but when actually pressed for HOW you know, you say:
Well that is a tricky question. I don't want to say yes because I don't know who is actually reading this board if you catch my drift.
Um, WHO CARES who is reading this board? Like I said, either you saw him or you didn't. There's no need to say, "UR THAT'S A TRICKY ONE UR." I still think you're full of it, judging by this response. "Why are you guys so mad/ I'm just trying to give you information." Yeah, sure you are.
Mate. Chill out. For a start, you're misrepresenting what he's saying. When actually pressed for HOW he knows, he said that he lives very close to the studio. He's implying something quite directly without trying to get into trouble. Understandably. JLB's reading! (Hi James!)
I get that you're frustrated but it's equally quite frustrating that peope are shouting vitriolically at someone who's a. trying to help out and b. being quite polite and pleasant about the whole thing. It's like watching a puppy fetch a newspaper and then get sliced apart with a fishknife for trying to help.
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Oh shit. Snake Eyes is outraged again.
No, I'm not. I'm from RI. This is how we talk. :)
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Oh shit. Snake Eyes is outraged again.
No, I'm not. I'm from RI. This is how we talk. :)
My uncle lives there and runs unsuccessfully for the republican house every term. He's also an angry conservative from RI. And he's never as outraged as you seem to get about even the darndest things.
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My uncle lives there and runs unsuccessfully for the republican house every term. He's also an angry conservative from RI. And he's never as outraged as you seem to get about even the darndest things.
He's apathetic. :)
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I get that you're frustrated but it's equally quite frustrating that peope are shouting vitriolically at someone who's a. trying to help out and b. being quite polite and pleasant about the whole thing. It's like watching a puppy fetch a newspaper and then get sliced apart with a fishknife for trying to help.
Well, the thing is that I'm not frustrated because I care so much about who the drummer is. It's just that, when I think someone is lying, I get really, REALLY irritated - especially on a forum like this when a lot of people are really interested in this topic and someone is acting sketchy when pressed.
dreamsforever: I still think you're lying.... until you give more information or until DT confirms that it's Mangini. But, I apologize for my attitude. That's all I'll say on the matter.
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There are rude and annoying posters and then there's snakeeyes.
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If anyone could stay in the politeness realm, it would be cool! Guys, we're just a bunch of crazy fans checking every minute or so who the new drummer is (I know that I am in any case) and we were just given information. True or not, I don't know, but there's no reason for the thread to turn into a bashfest- I'm sick of the attention-whore comments! As there is no evidence whatsoever, can't we just continue speculating as we did before, before the thread is locked, please?
B.Lee
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Yes, everyone calm down.
SE, please don't be so harsh, there is no place for that here.
At the same time, dreamsforever, I would hope you would understand why your claim might be hard to believe.
So everyone ratchet it down a notch.
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I think we should all be open about other people's speculations seeing as though we're all in the same position. No one knows for sure who it is so we shouldn't be so set in our ways if someone speculates. Expect anything!
Anywhoo, Mangini told us that he's recording in the North Shore (whatever North Shore it may be) but didn't he also tell us the musicians he was working with? If so then I'm not sure if he is with DT. He could simply be near them, or if Deamforever dude's posts are correct, then he could be swapping between bands. Was he seen on his own by the way?
Who knows... I'll still be open to other drummers until DT find a way to tell the public
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Jeez I saw him. Everyone calm down. I don't understand why everyone is so mad on this board as I am just trying to give information. What's the difference at this point anyway. He was the one most people thought it was anyway. I'm waiting for the next person to say bs, which will happen within 2 posts. I will not say anymore now, since everyone is so friggin pissed for some reason, which I don't understand. Choose to believe me or not, but im telling you that's it's mangini.
I want to believe you, because I have thought Mangini is only great choice for DT about 5 months now. Yes, I really want to believe you.
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Just watched this video of Charlie Z playing DP's Burn with Joe Lynn Turner
Link pls? :)
Whoops sorry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlUfiENLFQg&feature=related
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Just watched this video of Charlie Z playing DP's Burn with Joe Lynn Turner (come on Joe, we know it's a wig) and although it's not prog I just love what he does with the drums, and it looks cool! I like this guy's drumming and he would have been a great DT drummer, I have no doubt. Without all this wild speculation I would never have known this guy or Thomas Lang, so 100 or so pages of almost total bollock has been worth it.
I no longer check this thread to see who the new drummer is as I've given up on ever finding out! It's been fun and informative though.
Still want Lang, haven't changed my vote from Mangini because I dreamt it early in the process.
You just checked this thread.
The emphasis was on the "I don't check this thread TO SEE WHO THE DRUMMER IS" anymore.
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Mannnn this discussion is just childish, what can we do guys just speculate and wait.
PS. Hi James!, want some chilli beans? You know just to eat while watching us discussing....hehe
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Well that is a tricky question. I don't want to say yes because I don't know who is actually reading this board if you catch my drift.
Seeing how this is a fairly anonymous place to post, and that's a new account, I can't understand the reluctance to give definitive information.
I'm personally tagging this one as BS.
says the guy with a total of 5 posts :tup
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New drummer is a Mellow Fucking Organ.
Today's sound of the day on my Oasys keyboard here in DT studio land!
(https://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss37/ibloop/183472_10150094357642989_8717682988_6393475_1475199_n.jpg)
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The new snarling fucking pig! Fuck yeah I wonder what the tunes are gonna be like
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The new snarling fucking pig! Fuck yeah I wonder what the tunes are gonna be like
Fucking mellow.
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And I don't need your mellow fuck to get me through the day.
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For what it's worth I can confirm that dreams is posting from about 20 minutes away from the studio. This in no way makes certain what he's saying, but he ain't making that part up.
Frankly, with all the evidence ruling other guys out and the several things Mangini has going for him and the fact he left his teaching position I'd be happy wagering a large sum on him.
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I think we should all be open about other people's speculations seeing as though we're all in the same position. No one knows for sure who it is so we shouldn't be so set in our ways if someone speculates. Expect anything!
Anywhoo, Mangini told us that he's recording in the North Shore (whatever North Shore it may be) but didn't he also tell us the musicians he was working with? If so then I'm not sure if he is with DT. He could simply be near them, or if Deamforever dude's posts are correct, then he could be swapping between bands. Was he seen on his own by the way?
Who knows... I'll still be open to other drummers until DT find a way to tell the public
The thing is he is not speculating, he is in fact claiming he knows the truth but is not providing real evidence. There have been guys here that have done that before and got banned for it.
As a personal opinion I think having Mangini replace MP is like replacing JP with Yngwie. Great technique but lacks groove.
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I'm gonna throw something crazy out there.
Maybe it's possible that this dreamsforever guy is someone close to the band, and thus not able to reveal how or why he knows.
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Then why would he be revealing it in the first place? :huh:
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Then why would he be revealing it in the first place? :huh:
Leaks happen all the time. People in the inside want things to get out without really being allowed to put them out there. Is it really much harder to believe that than it is to believe someone registered at the forum just to troll us and fuck up our day?
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According to Mangini he was clearing snow in Boston in late January, and before that he was working on other things. Maybe he just got to the studio with DT fairly recently???
No updates since Jan 24. Unless his posts about what he working on were BS, Mangini just may be there in the studio now.
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JLB's last tweet does not even remotely point to to Mike Mangini.
BTW, I am one of the three people who liked The Phantom Menace :P
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Page 99.
Keep going, folks.
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GO GO GO 100!
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If Mangini is confirmed before we reach 100 I'll post racy pictures of myself in the "member" photos thread.
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"Once revealed it will have been worth the wait and understood"
I often believe in the ockham's razor, but not this time. And Mangini is a too simple option.
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Well, that leak guy is aiming at being close to the band. Which makes it more credible, and less credible.
When a longtime member would state he is close to the band and knows who the new drummer is, we won't believe it. Cause we would've known him/her being close to the band.
The problem is, we can't know for sure.
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Anybody else with me in thinking that it won't be so simple as, "Hey everyone, ... is our new drummer."
I don't know what it's going to be because it sounded like they really wanted one guy rather than a group (although I gotta say, if they had seven songs with seven different guys that would be very interesting and possibly badass) and even if they use Watson the computer they still have to have somebody to play it live (technically they don't, but I really can't see them performing without a live drummer.) Wouldn't be shocked if there was an "out of respect to MP"-vibe to it somehow, which would be a great thing.
I don't know what it is, but it won't be "Bob is our guy." So, I guess I'm a NDTDA (new DT drummer agnostic).
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last night i had a dream that the new drummer was shane spencer. former NY yankees outfielder. and i live roughly 4 hours away from the studio, so i can tell you, he is the new drummer
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lol I could see the drummer appearing at DT shows with a question mark bag over his head.
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if i'm the one 20 minutes away from the studio..i could have post a pic taken from a low end cellphone and share it..very simple..
evidence? where?
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Almost there guys! Almost 100!
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100 now? Damnit!
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Hey so what about that new drummer?
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No, now!
Edit: Fuck!
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I'm going to say we'll reach 121 pages before we know the new drummer. Why 121?
11 x 11 = 121
Since ya know, they're making their 11th album in 2011...
-Marc.
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I'm going to say we'll reach 121 pages before we know the new drummer. Why 121?
11 x 11 = 121
Since ya know, they're making their 11th album in 2011...
-Marc.
Mhmm cleva'
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Who cares about page numbers?
Clinks just posted!!
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We already talked about suicide, why talking about pages is now is weird?
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"Once revealed it will have been worth the wait and understood"
I often believe in the ockham's razor, but not this time. And Mangini is a too simple option.
But of course James would say it will have been worth the wait, no matter who the drummer is. Anyway, I think he was just trying to calm everyone down about it.
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At first I thought there was no way that DT was in studio without a drummer, but now I think it could be possible. I could see DT writing either way. If they scheduled studio time, even without a drummer they could still be writing and making the most of their studio time.
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Okay guys, guess there's no more need to hide it but..I'm the new drummer. You mgiht wonder: ''Hey idiot, aren't you a keyboard player?'' yes indeed, i play the drums on my keyboard. Wanna fight about it?
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How much time have they spent in the studio on average during the latest albums? 3-4 months?
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Josh Freese is the new drummer.
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"Once revealed it will have been worth the wait and understood"
I often believe in the ockham's razor, but not this time. And Mangini is a too simple option.
But of course James would say it will have been worth the wait, no matter who the drummer is. Anyway, I think he was just trying to calm everyone down about it.
If that is the case, I do not believe he should have worded it like that. This points to something different than a drummer that most people thought would be the one (or least a finalist).
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are we there yet?
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Soon...
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I'm warming up to Mangini. He seems like he could be a good replacement
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Yep I'm starting to think its Mangini.
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are we there yet?
Are we done yet?
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(https://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_la611h0mtw1qdo6weo1_500.jpg)
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This thread went places. Strange places. But I think we're almost there.
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Im curious too about all the edrum stuff too Mangini is up to.
Maybe the new DT stuff will have some sampled and triggered drum sounds. Maybe fart noises and breaking glass?
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fart noises
(https://philadelphia.foobooz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/noooooo-258x200.jpg)
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Yaay
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Does anybody think if Mangini is the new drummer it was worth the wait?
i would say no..
Tin
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Mangini is such a good drummer so that alone makes it worth the wait. But i do agree that he isn't the most ''exciting'' choice.
Edit: Fixed some of my quick typing.
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I wish Portnoy was back...
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we reached 100 :omg:
... now what?
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No one knows..
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does anyone else chuckle when they see this?
Most Online Today: 270. Most Online Ever: 827 (September 08, 2010, 09:22:36 PM)
if only one of us could go back in time to the day before and show them this thread. what would people think?
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I wish Portnoy was back...
If he was then he would have even more power than before and that would be a bad thing. Legendary drummer that he is, I wouldn't want that and I imagine neither would DT.
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we reached 100 :omg:
... now what?
we shoot for 5000 replies :o
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I wish Portnoy was back...
If he was then he would have even more power than before and that would be a bad thing. Legendary drummer that he is, I wouldn't want that and I imagine neither would DT.
EDIT: I wish he never left..
We will see where DT 2011 brings us. Hoping for the best :smiley:
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we reached 100 :omg:
... now what?
Wait for them to announce Mike Mangini and act all "excited"...
Tin
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we reached 100 :omg:
... now what?
Wait for them to announce Mike Mangini and act all "excited"...
Tin
i'll pass
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pass
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Breaking the ''no avatar'' combo.
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Not that I'm happy MP left, but in all honesty not knowing the drummer and getting very few updates from the studio is actually making the anticipation more exciting.
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I liked JR's update of the keyboard patch he was using. Made me excited to see the patch titled 'Mellow Fuckin' Organ' Actually I was happy to see an organ in DT, even if it is a patch.
Anyway, I'm with blackngold, it does make it more exciting, the lack of updates
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I liked JR's update of the keyboard patch he was using. Made me excited to see the patch titled 'Mellow Fuckin' Organ' Actually I was happy to see an organ in DT, even if it is a patch.
Anyway, I'm with blackngold, it does make it more exciting, the lack of updates
Album's gonna be fuckin' mellow, bro.
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I think our next target is to get the thread so big that it fills up all the space on the DTF server
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I wouldnt mind if Mangini is the one, my first choice was Lang but my second one was Mangini...blaaaaa who cares I just wanted to be part of the 100 page haha
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100 pages and still nothing. :sadpanda:
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If it is Mangini, I look forward to hearing what kind of creative drum parts he can come up with because most of his recordings that I've heard have been as a session guy (Extreme, Annihilator) or backing a solo artist (James Labrie/Mullmuzzler, Steve Vai), neither of which are situations that typically encourage outside-the-box/spotlight drumming.
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John Petrucci just accepted my friend request on Facebook. That means the new drummer is: JOE PESCI!
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does anyone else chuckle when they see this?
Most Online Today: 270. Most Online Ever: 827 (September 08, 2010, 09:22:36 PM)
if only one of us could go back in time to the day before and show them this thread. what would people think?
They'd think that if you have the ability to travel through time, they'd want you to go to late 2011 and get a copy of the new album and bring it back so we can hear it and find out who the new drummer is.
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John Petrucci just accepted my friend request on Facebook. That means the new drummer is: JOE PESCI!
Hell yes!
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100 pages and still nothing. :sadpanda:
We're also getting close to the half-year mark since Mike's departure.
rumborak
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Wow i didnt realize about it!
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It's been exactly 165 days... in 25 minutes from now.
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I think the whole reason I don't want Mangini is... he's not as talented as Lang or Minnemann. Ever since I joined and made my first thread here (which was Is MP Improving?) I've noticed how stagnant, repetitive, non-challenging the drumming has become in DT's world. Lang or Minnemann could bring something to the table; I'm not impressed with Mangini's drumming.
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100 pages and still nothing. :sadpanda:
We're also getting close to the half-year mark since Mike's departure.
rumborak
Man time seemed to just fly by
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I originally picked Mangini, then switched to Lang after seeing some of his playing.
If it's Mangini, I'll be excited, and will eagerly await the album.
If it's Lang, I'll be very excited, and will eagerly await the album.
If it's Minnemann, I'll be excited, and will eagerly await the album.
If it's someone else, I'll assume the guys know what they're doing, look up some videos of the new drummer's playing, and eagerly await the album.
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I think the whole reason I don't want Mangini is... he's not as talented as Lang or Minnemann. Ever since I joined and made my first thread here (which was Is MP Improving?) I've noticed how stagnant, repetitive, non-challenging the drumming has become in DT's world. Lang or Minnemann could bring something to the table; I'm not impressed with Mangini's drumming.
I'm with you, and also i've been hearing Thomas Lang's stOrk and it just blows out of the water anything i've ever heard Mangini play, yes even "fire garden suite" wich i think it's not that good...
Tin
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Yeah i agree that TL would bring a lot more interesting things to the table than Mangini buuuuuut only freaking lucky God knows what DT saw on the auditions.
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SE, please don't be so harsh, there is no place for that here.
Yeah, I'm sorry, hef and bosk and all the other mods. I know that I shouldn't have behaved like that. I apologize for that. Just a thought, though: anyone notice that he didn't answer my questions of, "where?/ when?/ pictures?"
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I wouldn't be disappointed if Mangini was the drummer. But the interviews would be funny!
Check out 1:38 - 1:41: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QnQjTiBWSw :lol
Nah, but seriously, he seems very charismatic.
P.S: I checked out the Fire Garden Suite, and I actually thought it was really nice. First Mangini video I watched and actually felt the style resembled Dream Theater.
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I'm gonna throw something crazy out there.
Maybe it's possible that this dreamsforever guy is someone close to the band, and thus not able to reveal how or why he knows.
Wow I think Perpetual Change may be on to something. Just saying. I took guitar lessons from John before I&W, BTW.
Oh and SnakeEyes, I love your comment about not having any credibility beacuse I only have 6 posts or whatever. So, if John Petrucci came onto the forum and didn't use his real name, but posted something about the band he would no credibility right? And I am not answering any of your questions. Why on earth would someone take pictures. I am not a stalker. I have already answered where. When, lets just say recently.
Can we now move on and get back to the music please. Discuss the drummer all you want
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I'm gonna throw something crazy out there.
Maybe it's possible that this dreamsforever guy is someone close to the band, and thus not able to reveal how or why he knows.
Wow I think Perpetual Change may be on to something. Just saying. I took guitar lessons from John before I&W, BTW.
Oh and SnakeEyes, I love your comment about not having any credibility beacuse I only have 6 posts or whatever. So, if John Petrucci came onto the forum and didn't use his real name, but posted something about the band he would no credibility right? And I am not answering any of your questions. Why on earth would someone take pictures. I am not a stalker. I have already answered where. When, lets just say recently.
Can we now move on and get back to the music please. Discuss the drummer all you want
Yes, he would not get any credibility with a different name and no evidence. :-\ Show us credible evidence of some sort and we'll trust you, until then you could be JP himself, and we'd still rightfully disbelieve you.
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Oh and SnakeEyes, I love your comment about not having any credibility beacuse I only have 6 posts or whatever.
I never said you didn't have any credibility because you have a small number of posts. I said that I didn't trust you when you started giving vague answers such as, "that's a tricky one" when someone asked you if you had seen Mangini and your low post count just made me trust you even less. If you had come to this forum and said: "I saw Mike Mangini at this place at this time on this day" and had the same post count, I wouldn't have said anything. But, your whole demeanor was shady to begin with and you seemed like you were full of it. Like other people have said, there has been a lot of that here, so you'll have to just understand that. I shouldn't have behaved that way, though, so I'm sorry.
And I am not answering any of your questions. Why on earth would someone take pictures. I am not a stalker.
Oh no? Well, it's kind of funny that you refuse to answer my questions, which are perfectly reasonable, then go on to say this:
I have already answered where. When, lets just say recently.
Didn't you just say that you, "weren't going to answer any of my questions"? This is exactly why I don't believe you.... because you seem to get irritated when you're confronted. Oh, and then you say, "I'm not a stalker," as if people who want to actually see a picture of whoever the new drummer is are "stalkers." Basically, you're coming to this forum, which you know is very excited about the new drummer and any information regarding that topic, and you proceed to say that people who would like to see pictures of this new drummer are stalkers. That is very peculiar behavior to me.
Can we now move on and get back to the music please. Discuss the drummer all you want
Oh, we will. I didn't think we needed your permission.
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I'll believe you because I couldn't care less whether you're lying or not.
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The only person that it could possibly be is Rich Brymer, who would know the drummer's identity, but I don't think Brymer would ever be the guy to leak the name because, according to him, he's really tight with Petrucci and he'd get his ass kicked.
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@dreamsforever: i think some people don't want to believe you because if it is true the wishes of some of us and all speculations come to an end.
However i do think you are telling the truth and i don't like the drummer decision, hope he makes me change my mind about him...
Tin
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That's not true at all. ^
Since I have been giving him the hardest time, I'll reply. I personally don't even CARE who the new drummer is. All the choices are amazing.
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Yeah, I trust that the guys have made the correct decision for them. After all, it's their music and their choice.
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That's not true at all. ^
Since I have been giving him the hardest time, I'll reply. I personally don't even CARE who the new drummer is. All the choices are amazing.
Just because you don't CARE who the new drummer is makes my statement not true...
peace
Tin
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As i told you before he wouldn't have been my first choice either. Listen I don't want to argue with anyone anymore. I simply came on here to post some information, but didn't expect to get barraged by snakeeyes or anyone else. I will simply state that I love dt and hope the new album is amazing. I am done trying to prove anything to anybody and when they do announce I will not come back to say I told you so. I will just cone back to discuss what I am hoping to be a great album.
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"Done trying to prove anything." You haven't TRIED to prove anything. How can you be done trying to prove something that you never tried to prove in the first place? All you have done is say, "I live 20 minutes away and Mike Mangini is the drummer." Um, I'm sorry if I - and, obviously some other people, are skeptical of that! :lol
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Guys, I work at the Starbucks that's 10 minutes from their studio and John Myung comes in every day. He told me the drummer is actually Minneman, and is recording via satellite uplink so he doesn't have to enter the studio.
True story :angel:
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Guys, I work at the Starbucks that's 10 minutes from their studio and John Myung comes in every day. He told me the drummer is actually Minneman, and is recording via satellite uplink so he doesn't have to enter the studio.
True story :angel:
I work at a Starbucks like 6 hours away so I know you're telling the truth.
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Okay, I hate to do this, but fine - I'll come clean.
I'm really Mike Mangini's proctologist and he told me that he's definitely NOT the drummer. Sorry.
edit..
Oh, and he said that all these rumors are a total pain in the ass!
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Okay, I hate to do this, but fine - I'll come clean.
I'm really Mike Mangini's proctologist
We already knew this SnakeEyes from years of reading your posts.
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Although you haven't broken any rules since Hef warned you, I'm respectfully asking that you drop this SnakeEyes.
You've made your case, now let the n00b feel at least a bit welcomed instead of being in constant argument.
That's not true at all. ^
Since I have been giving him the hardest time, I'll reply. I personally don't even CARE who the new drummer is. All the choices are amazing.
The poster said "some people", not "you", and I'm sure that some people who want it to be another drummer could very well be over-sensitive to something like this. This is just an example of you taking something personally that wasn't in order to further argue things that don't need to be argued.
In any case, welcome all n00bs, remain skeptical, but let's fight nice.
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"Done trying to prove anything." You haven't TRIED to prove anything. How can you be done trying to prove something that you never tried to prove in the first place? All you have done is say, "I live 20 minutes away and Mike Mangini is the drummer." Um, I'm sorry if I - and, obviously some other people, are skeptical of that! :lol
Leave the guy alone already!!
Even if he is bullshitting us, look at the last 100 pages.... its all skepticism, and, well fun bullshit.. And if hes being honest, well then yay, point for our side!
Just relax. We are all DT fans. Whats important is that we support the band and that the new album has the quality that we are all hoping for.
And yes, Long time lurker... you made me get off my lazy ass, and register. Thank you.
-Slith
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Although you haven't broken any rules since Hef warned you, I'm respectfully asking that you drop this SnakeEyes.
Respectfully complying. :)
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And yes, Long time lurker... you made me get off my lazy ass, and register. Thank you.
Same here ;D
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I'VE CAUSED THE FORUM TO GROW!
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Breaking the ''no avatar'' combo.
sorry, i tried to upload one a couple months ago, it didnt work, and ive been too lazy to try again... :-\
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Mangini is a good drummer but I don't like his setup.
I still want Minnemann!
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Breaking the ''no avatar'' combo.
sorry, i tried to upload one a couple months ago, it didnt work, and ive been too lazy to try again... :-\
I forgive you.
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Your post count is not in the 10,000 range, you have no basis to forgive anyone. You e-heathen.
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You bastard! You'll see, you'll all see, my post count will reach 10,000 one day and it shall be known as Groundhog Day!
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Breaking the ''no avatar'' combo.
sorry, i tried to upload one a couple months ago, it didnt work, and ive been too lazy to try again... :-\
Same for me here. I cannot for the life of me upload any avatar. And yet, it's a jpg with the right size.
On topic : well, if it's Mangini, I'm not as excited as with MM or TL, because i haven't seen anything from the guy that has impressed me. YET, I will wait to hear the new album and only judge by then. All I can say is that if JLB sings as he does on SI or on the new Eden's Curse, then, I will definitely have dirty underpants. Come on, Baby! :metal :metal
B.Lee
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Yarg. Can't be the only one who reckons what dreamsforever's saying has a ring of truth to it?
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Yarg. Can't be the only one who reckons what dreamsforever's saying has a ring of truth to it?
ITT I learn robwebster ignores all my posts :(
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I believe him too (and it's not wishful thinking since I've been rooting for Minnemann all along).
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Yarg. Can't be the only one who reckons what dreamsforever's saying has a ring of truth to it?
ITT I learn robwebster ignores all my posts :(
Ack. Sorry. I only read this page before posting. I'd read the other pages yesterday, but my predominant memory was "SnakeEyes doing a lot of shouting" rather than "Perpetual Change being totally righteous."
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Same for me here. I cannot for the life of me upload any avatar. And yet, it's a jpg with the right size.
100 x 100 wouldn't work for me even though it said that was the limit. No idea what the deal was. So I tried 99 x 99 and it worked.
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I wouldn't be disappointed if Mangini was the drummer. But the interviews would be funny!
Check out 1:38 - 1:41: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QnQjTiBWSw :lol
Nah, but seriously, he seems very charismatic.
P.S: I checked out the Fire Garden Suite, and I actually thought it was really nice. First Mangini video I watched and actually felt the style resembled Dream Theater.
If it's the same video I saw it sounded like he was playing a tasteless drum solo and someone had Steve Vai's fire Garden track on in the background, only Mangini couldn't hear it.
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Im already wondering how it going to be the new DT live with a new guy on drumms, woooow i cant wait to hear the new stuff
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@anyone with Avatar troubles - Message me with a link to the photo you want to use and later today I'll set you up.
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Dunno where to put this so it can go here. From https://www.yourworldoftext.com/dtf
James here. Ask me anything.
What is the name of the new album, if you have one? Not yet. Jt some idea. ideas.
Does the album have any theme or concept behind it? Resilience
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Same for me here. I cannot for the life of me upload any avatar. And yet, it's a jpg with the right size.
100 x 100 wouldn't work for me even though it said that was the limit. No idea what the deal was. So I tried 99 x 99 and it worked.
Thanks for the tip, but it doesn't work either. Yet, I have this avatar on the other forums I'm a member of. Strange!
B.Lee
EDIT : Thanks, Nick, I send you a message with the picture i want.
EDIT 2 : Thanks a lot, Nick!
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wjc, sorry dude but while its pretty much confirmed that JLB lurks here (HI JAMES TRIAL OF TEARS SHOULD BE ON THE SETLIST FOR THE NEXT TOUR!), I doubt that he'd start answering questions on a world of text site.
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wjc, sorry dude but while its pretty much confirmed that JLB lurks here
If you're talking about his twitter, I think he referred to be lurking the responses the fans do to his tweets, not here.
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one day, they'll announce it is Mike Mangini with a lot of POMP and grandiosity... and everybody will be like ...meh.
;D
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wjc, sorry dude but while its pretty much confirmed that JLB lurks here
If you're talking about his twitter, I think he referred to be lurking the responses the fans do to his tweets, not here.
No one tweeted him about the weather though.
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wjc, sorry dude but while its pretty much confirmed that JLB lurks here
If you're talking about his twitter, I think he referred to be lurking the responses the fans do to his tweets, not here.
No one tweeted him about the weather though.
Neither the hair thing, right?
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one day, they'll announce it is Mike Mangini with a lot of POMP and grandiosity... and everybody will be like ...meh.
;D
This...
Tin
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one day, they'll announce it is Mike Mangini with a lot of WOMP WOMP and grandiosity... and everybody will be like ...meh.
;D
Fixed.
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I wonder if the DT guys are reading this thread and being entertained so much by it that they're purposely not announcing anything.
:laugh:
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I wonder if the DT guys are reading this thread and being entertained so much by it that they're purposely not announcing anything.
:laugh:
the thought has crossed my mind.
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Yarg. Can't be the only one who reckons what dreamsforever's saying has a ring of truth to it?
Nope, you're not the only one.
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Everyone who has avatar requests in should be set, enjoy.
(And make sure you use your "refresh" button before telling me it's not working. ;))
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I wonder if the DT guys are reading this thread and being entertained so much by it that they're purposely not announcing anything.
:laugh:
yep.
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"Done trying to prove anything." You haven't TRIED to prove anything. How can you be done trying to prove something that you never tried to prove in the first place? All you have done is say, "I live 20 minutes away and Mike Mangini is the drummer." Um, I'm sorry if I - and, obviously some other people, are skeptical of that! :lol
Leave the guy alone already!!
Even if he is bullshitting us, look at the last 100 pages.... its all skepticism, and, well fun bullshit.. And if hes being honest, well then yay, point for our side!
Just relax. We are all DT fans. Whats important is that we support the band and that the new album has the quality that we are all hoping for.
And yes, Long time lurker... you made me get off my lazy ass, and register. Thank you.
-Slith
Thank you. You just got me off my lazy ass to register. ;D
Yes, another long time lurker. I've been lurking here for a couple of years, and over the last 6 months I've been lurking every day. Finally, I've registered.
I must say, this thread has been thoroughly entertaining to read and has provided many lols.
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Your avatar is amazing.
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Thank you. You just got me off my lazy ass to register. ;D
Yes, another long time lurker. I've been lurking here for a couple of years, and over the last 6 months I've been lurking every day. Finally, I've registered.
I must say, this thread has been thoroughly entertaining to read and has provided many lols.
Welcome to the Promised Land, Exodus!
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Hey exodus, you are sick!!! (your avatar)
just kidding.
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Your avatar is amazing.
Also, I sort of believe dreamsforever but I still hope it's Minnemann. I'm practically obsessing over his technical ability at the moment.
I'm also having quite a bit of fun on that world of text thingy that someone linked to
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I just realized: Is it a good thing or bad thing that they've been in the studio for over a month and we don't have an official DT11 album discussion/speculation thread while this one is huge?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta0VAqObXZw Also: Is JR human? Who sits down and inprovs that? Holy crap.
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This is one of the best JR improvisation videos I've ever seen. (This and the MP departure video, as well)
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Wow, so at the end of the improv vid the camera goes crazy and flips around upside down. Anything drummer related in this?
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss273/DarthHonus29/JRImprov-1.jpg)
Obsessed? Who's obsessed?
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Your avatar is missing pedobear in order for it to succeed.
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I was actually under the impression we couldn't talk about him, as his origin is 'that place.' Or am I thinking of another forum?
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Pedobear transcends the fourth channel.
And from my understanding, we can talk about it but just can't link to it, including saying the name simply without the '.org'.
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Maybe its because I'm pretty new hear and don't know too much about the history. But I honestly find it a little ridiculous that you can't so much as mention that website because of the content on maybe...well maybe half the boards. Despite the fact that most people on the internet in general these days at the very least know of it
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I can't really stand that site but overall I agree, especially since mainstream news sources make pretty blatant references to it all the time.
But this thread is about drummers.
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Some of the really niche boards can be pretty good resources, but I pretty much agree. And while I may not be fond of the rule, I like the place. So I shall abide.
And you're right. I'd like to think all the drumming on the album will be by more than one person. Like that time Portnoy and Richard Christie shared the kit. I'd like to think the drumming alone will be an impressive sonic experience.
See also: setting myself up for disappointment
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my doubles, check them?
(https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a323/ckychrisb/mpdoubles.jpg)
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Everyone who has avatar requests in should be set, enjoy.
(And make sure you use your "refresh" button before telling me it's not working. ;))
It works! Thanks a lot, Nick!
B.Lee
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It's been 102 pages and I'm yet to post. Well....
Yep, nothing to add.
Except that I saw the new drummer. He had hair, eyes and pants on (yes suprising I know). I walked over to him in the supermarket and asked him probably the most important question. "Dude, got some spare change?" He declined but gave me a high five instead. Problem is, he accidentally dropped his milk, slipped over and did the splits. Right then I could tell he was dazed a little. I offered him a lending hand but he refused. He said that drummers for progcore bands can handle it.
True story Bro
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:rollin
What a nice welcoming reception! :lol
I made this avatar for another forum back when BC&SL came out, and I thought it would be perfect for this board. ;D
Oh, and so that this post isn't a complete waste: I voted for Kodos... I mean Minnemann.
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Ok, fans sometimes are too passionate, but don't you think guys in North Africa are going too far?? And all for a drummer!
p.s. just kidding, free Libia!
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p.s. just kidding, free Libia!
While we're on the subject, China can get the fuck out of Tibet.
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p.s. just kidding, free Libia!
While we're on the subject, China can get the fuck out of Tibet.
GTFOOT!!!
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p.s. just kidding, free Libia!
While we're on the subject, China can get the fuck out of Tibet.
GTFOOT!!!
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Ahh nevermind...
Tin
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Es decir, excremento.
Emin, tu y yo pertenecemos al gang latino.
La Cobra Negra, Cabrón!
somos tres! saludos! y creanme que hay mas!
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Uuuf muchos mas haha
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p.s. just kidding, free Libia!
While we're on the subject, China can get the fuck out of Tibet.
+1. Apparently I'm already banned from entering China after signing a petition about this a few years ago so nothing to lose.
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My friends, I still cannot believe we don't have new name...
:-[ :justjen
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I'm not surprised in the slightest.
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Goddamnit, I've been tracking this for 103 pages and after all this time we still don't have a bloody name.
For all the stuff they keep saying about contract problems and shit, I mean jesus. This has been going since October/November, I have a feeling we're going to be pretty shocked when we find out who it is.
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If it's any of the names that have been mentioned in multiple forums it won't be a surprise at all. More of a 'meh'
moment and then we all transition to talk of the music itself and what we expect on the new album.
The ONLY way I'll be blown away is if it's a totally unexpected person. 100% out of the blue. Even if that is the
case we'll talk about it for a couple weeks and then we will be talking about musical expectations.
So either way, it will be about what is most important. The music.
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At this point I care more about the reason for the delay than the actual drummer.
rumborak
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...I have a feeling we're going to be pretty shocked when we find out who it is.
Unless it is Mike Portnoy (or Kevin Moore) I have serious doubts as to the level of "shocked" we will be... as Rumborak said a few posts after yours I too am kind of more interested in specifically WHY as opposed to who at this point as well. I mean I really want to know but when they announce Mangini (or maybe Minneman or Lang) I will most likely be "meh... Why did it take so damn long guys???!?!"
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I have a feeling we're going to be pretty shocked when we find out who it is.
It better be shocking. This is bordering on the rondonkulous now :-\
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At this point I care more about the reason for the delay than the actual drummer.
rumborak
+1
most likely legal issues, etc.
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I have a feeling we're going to be pretty shocked when we find out who it is.
It better be shocking. This is bordering on the rondonkulous now :-\
No it's not. A lot of you guys are just impatient because you are now so used to getting all your info so fast (thank you, Internet, thank you).
Personally, I LIKE that we are still waiting, makes it fun.
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The thing is he is not speculating, he is in fact claiming he knows the truth but is not providing real evidence. There have been guys here that have done that before and got banned for it.
This is completely false.
So, if John Petrucci came onto the forum and didn't use his real name, but posted something about the band he would no credibility right?
Depends. If he posted sufficient information so that we could either determine that he was really JP or that what he was saying was accurate, he would absolutely be credible. If he posted anonymously, and posted in vague "I have information, but can't say exactly what it is or how I got it" terms, then no, we wouldn' believe him.
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There's too many n00bs that would see this as their chance to be in the forum spotlight to believe it right off the bat.
The thing is he is not speculating, he is in fact claiming he knows the truth but is not providing real evidence. There have been guys here that have done that before and got banned for it.
This is completely false.
That is correct. That is, it's correct that it's false.
rumborak
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You have to think that DT are pissed that they kinda got blue balled by this whole "legal" scenario.
I mean they had a chance to make a major press release and "unveil" the new guy to the music world. Now it will be more "Hey, remember those guys rumored to be the guy? By the way, X really is the guy."
Unless DT was waiting for the new guy because he was fighting in Afghanistan or liberating people from a fascist regime, this will be a MEH event.
Something like dissolving a guys management contract or recording contract would sound silly. I know its a reality in the music business, but its still dumb.
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I have a feeling we're going to be pretty shocked when we find out who it is.
It better be shocking. This is bordering on the rondonkulous now :-\
No it's not. A lot of you guys are just impatient because you are now so used to getting all your info so fast (thank you, Internet, thank you).
Personally, I LIKE that we are still waiting, makes it fun.
We are not impatient. If DT for some reason had still not picked a new drummer, that would be one thing. But the fact that they have had one for a few months now pisses us off. Not to mention we don't even get an explanation as to why.
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I have a feeling we're going to be pretty shocked when we find out who it is.
It better be shocking. This is bordering on the rondonkulous now :-\
No it's not. A lot of you guys are just impatient because you are now so used to getting all your info so fast (thank you, Internet, thank you).
Personally, I LIKE that we are still waiting, makes it fun.
We are not impatient. If DT for some reason had still not picked a new drummer, that would be one thing. But the fact that they have had one for a few months now pisses us off. Not to mention we don't even get an explanation as to why.
This has been explained by James LaBrie (maybe other members as well) in numerous interviews. You are never going to get 100% of the particulars. When the new drummer is announced, I am sure we will get a little more info.
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We are not impatient. If DT for some reason had still not picked a new drummer, that would be one thing. But the fact that they have had one for a few months now pisses us off. Not to mention we don't even get an explanation as to why.
Sounds like impatience to me. :lol
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Same here. It all comes down to the change of times. Most of us wouldn't even had known they got a new drummer until the new album was released. Now, the internet has people craving info in the snap of a finger. Isn't that fanboysim?
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Now, the internet has people craving info in the snap of a finger.
In the snap of a finger? No. In less than 6 months? Yes, I have to admit that would have been nice.
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...I have a feeling we're going to be pretty shocked when we find out who it is.
Unless it is Mike Portnoy (or Kevin Moore) I have serious doubts as to the level of "shocked" we will be... as Rumborak said a few posts after yours I too am kind of more interested in specifically WHY as opposed to who at this point as well. I mean I really want to know but when they announce Mangini (or maybe Minneman or Lang) I will most likely be "meh... Why did it take so damn long guys???!?!"
Mangini Meh :|... Minnemann or Lang Yay!!! :D...
Tin
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Now, the internet has people craving info in the snap of a finger.
In the snap of a finger? No. In less than 6 months? Yes, I have to admit that would have been nice.
Agreed
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Yeah, I think that's the point Chino was trying to make too. If at the beginning they had said, "We'll let you know when we're ready, but we don't know how long that'll be." then alright, whatever, no problem. But when you say, "Soon." people generally don't think 'minimum six months.'
To be fair, they likely had no idea it would take so long, that being said though they could probably say more than they are (although, again, we can't know that without knowing the real reason for the delay).
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They said they want to announce it, and JLB said all will be revealed soon. They probably didn't foresee such a hold-up.
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i really hope the drummer is in the studio with them writing.
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They said they want to announce it, and JLB said all will be revealed soon. They probably didn't foresee such a hold-up.
I get the feeling, at least from that one JLB radio interview, that the members want to announce it but the label is holding them back.
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They're apparently as crazy as we are, they just can't wait to announce the name. I can imagine how hard it is for them to keep the secret, and as Jordan said, the whole thing has more levels than we think.
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They said they want to announce it, and JLB said all will be revealed soon. They probably didn't foresee such a hold-up.
I get the feeling, at least from that one JLB radio interview, that the members want to announce it but the label is holding them back.
That was said as fact, I'm pretty sure. No feelings. :biggrin:
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I'm just anxious as to who the new drummer is!
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I can almost 100% guarantee that it has more to do with inner conflict. I can't discuss exactly what is going on, but I have seen proof of this.
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What are you talking about?
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I can almost 100% guarantee that it has more to do with inner conflict. I can't discuss exactly what is going on, but I have seen proof of this.
What are you talking about?
I can almost 100% guarantee that it has more to do with inner conflict. I can't discuss exactly what is going on, but I have seen proof of this.
Couldn't resist....... ;D
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*spits on you*
Where is this inner conflict? Between who?
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*spits on you*
Where is this inner conflict? Between who?
*hocks a loogie on you*
Between you and Naked apparently. He has precognition. ;D
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I can almost 100% guarantee that it has more to do with inner conflict. I can't discuss exactly what is going on, but I have seen proof of this.
"I can almost 100% guarantee" == "I have no fucking clue"
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I can almost 100% guarantee that it has more to do with inner conflict. I can't discuss exactly what is going on, but I have seen proof of this.
"I can almost 100% guarantee" == "I have no fucking clue"
I can almost 100% guarantee that your right.
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I can almost 100% guarantee that it has more to do with inner conflict. I can't discuss exactly what is going on, but I have seen proof of this.
You're not the only one that has gone out to drink with JLB. :hat
:millahhhh
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Alright, I wasn't trying to be a dick about it. A very special "someone" is playing in my old band, that is how i gained this knowledge. I just don't think the label should be blamed for the wait. You don't have to believe me, was just trying to give you guys some insight.
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Alright, I wasn't trying to be a dick about it. A very special "someone" is playing in my old band, that is how i gained this knowledge. I just don't think the label should be blamed for the wait. You don't have to believe me, was just trying to give you guys some insight.
If you tell us the name of your old band and the very special "someone," we'd be more inclined to believe you.
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I can almost 100% guarantee that it has more to do with inner conflict turbulence. I can't discuss exactly what is going on, but I have seen proof of this.
FTFY
:neverusethis:
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I can almost 100% guarantee that it has more to do with inner conflict. I can't discuss exactly what is going on, but I have seen proof of this.
Inner conflict as in they think they may have made a mistake?
Inner conflict as in all the band members aren't on the same page as far as their choice is concerned and are now squabbling about it?
Inner conflict as in the new guy wants more money than they are willing to pay him?
Inner conflict as in Portnoy's departure has caused some legal proceedings not label related?
Inner conflict as in......?
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Inner conflict as if they have gases.
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Inner conflict as if they have gases.
guesses? or gas? lol
Anyway, JLB did say that the wait will have been worth it and understood. So I'm not too concerned about it.
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Gas can be pretty suck. I get it almost nightly. Might be from all the living off Chinese food in the studio.
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Ha! Order a pizza every once in a while. What's the matter with you? :lol
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Alright, I wasn't trying to be a dick about it. A very special "someone" is playing in my old band, that is how i gained this knowledge. I just don't think the label should be blamed for the wait. You don't have to believe me, was just trying to give you guys some insight.
I believe what you say
Seriously. Name your source. For the love of god it's not hard. And somebody MIGHT take you seriously
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Gas can be pretty suck. I get it almost nightly. Might be from all the living off Chinese food in the studio.
Chinese food delivered by... Mike Portnoy.
Seriously nakedman just say what is happening. I don't even get why you would say something is happening and than go "Oh guys, I can't say what's happening, I just can't say" If you can't expand on your source and what is happening, than why post at all. You could have kept it to yourself. JUST NAME YOUR SOURCE AND EXPLAIN WHAT IS HAPPENING! IT'S NOT THAT HARD! (these aren't angry caps and !'s)
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I'm not sure about naked man, but the idea that DT wanted Marco, but he turned them down so they then had to wait for Mangini to finish up doing his other studio work seems plausible enough to me.
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I guess I don't get why Minnemann would audition if he would just turn it down...
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I'm not sure about naked man, but the idea that DT wanted Marco, but he turned them down so they then had to wait for Mangini to finish up doing his other studio work seems plausible enough to me.
This is basically it. You guys don't have to believe me.. I can't cite where I got this info because I was told by these people that it is supposed to be secret. I just wanted to help clarify SOME of the questions with whatever insight I have.
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Could you PM us? :biggrin:
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I guess I don't get why Minnemann would audition if he would just turn it down...
You just beat me to it. That's the thing with nakedman's guitar player source that I don't understand. That and the fact that nakedman said that he didn't fully believe his guitar player source when he told him that.
@ nakedman - Is your current source of info the same guitar player who you didn't believe before?
Thanks,
John
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I guess I don't get why Minnemann would audition if he would just turn it down...
This.
Although, whether that's true or not, it kinda makes sense. Maybe the "delay" is matter of the drummers who auditioned and not a legal/personal/any other type of problem speculated here problem.
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So gas isn't the cause then?
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The fact that James says "all will be understood" tells me that it might not be a legal issue. I seriously doubt they will couple the drummer announcement with a negative legalistic reason.
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Yes. Starbucks 'causes gases, so it's evident they all have a severe case of gas.
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Yes, it is the same source. The difference now is, that Marco is planning on joining my friend's band. I used to play drums for this band, and have been close friends with the guitarist for years. The whole audition thing doesn't make sense to me either, but I guess it could have something to do with some stipulations the band made after he made it.
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Oh ok, thank you sir.
Edit: It's making more sense now.
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That doesn't make much sense (The Marco joining yer old band thing). I mean, I don't mean to disrespect your old band or anything, but I seriously doubt it is a band with the name and fame of Dream Theater. :lol As a musician myself, being presented with the opportunity of joining a world-class act or the opportunity to join a lesser band, the choice would be quite obvious.
I'm just bringing your situation up, which I think it's kinda interesting to discuss.
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This whole thing is very intriguing. James keeps telling us all will be understood, so things are a little bit weirder than even they expected. The fact too, with them saying this, they've wanted to tell us who the drummer is a long time ago, but things are holding them up. It makes me gain more respect for the situation.
Also, I guess it will be interesting to see what exactly is holding it up. I also wonder how things would have went down under a different record label. That plays out in my mind a few times.
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You know, it confuses me as well. I quit the band to study film scoring at Berklee, but I would never pass up DT, even if it meant ruining my education. All I know is that I have heard his tracks, and him and the guitarist hit it off on a personal level. The band is actually quite small, but have quite a bit of commercial potential.
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I just really wanted Minnemann's splash cymbals... they sounded so cool. :sadpanda:
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I just really want Minnemann... he sounds so cool :sadpanda:
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I don't know. Mangini seems like a cool guy. I'll bet he'll hit it off great with the rest of the guys. And while Mangini's been successful as a solo artist, I know he's always wanted to end things in a band environment.
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I don't know. Mangini seems like a cool guy. I'll bet he'll hit it off great with the rest of the guys. And while Mangini's been successful as a solo artist, I know he's always wanted to end things in a band environment.
Totally. Plus if he quit teaching at Berklee to join DT, you know he's serious about it.
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Yeah, Mangini's a great drummer as well. It's just that, judging from the videos I've seen of both (Minnemann and Mangini), Mangini seems to be very focused in making weird polyrhythms and demostrating independence and such things, while Minnemann is incredibly musical and fun to listen to while being technical and overall amazing.
I hope to be wrong about Mangini though, I just need an incredible drum performance to keep my mouth shut about him. :D
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One thing that seems a bit off for me in this whole scenario is that James said once they announce the drummer they will also tell us the reasons why they have been waiting for so long. If the Minneman thing is true, I doubt they would come out and say "we wanted Minneman but he turned us down so we had to wait for Mangini". Of course, they could just ommit the Minneman part and just say they had to wait for Mangini, but that wouldn't be something that "deep" as Jordan said.
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One thing that seems a bit off for me in this whole scenario is that James said once they announce the drummer they will also tell us the reasons why they have been waiting for so long. If the Minneman thing is true, I doubt they would come out and say "we wanted Minneman but he turned us down so we had to wait for Mangini". Of course, they could just ommit the Minneman part and just say they had to wait for Mangini, but that wouldn't be something that "deep" as Jordan said.
Plus, I still don't get the "extenuating circumstances". Yet, true or not, the Minnemann thing makes sense.
B.Lee
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Has anyone in this thread who's worried about Mangini listened to Elements of Persuasion? Like I said however many dozens of pages ago, JLB, DS, and JR all vastly improved as musicians and creative forces after entering DT. Mangini has potentially so much ability that hasn't been unlocked yet.
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:corn
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So I take it that the band that Marco has decided to join instead is Psyaxis ?
We know that he is/was recording drums for their debut album.
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Has anyone in this thread who's worried about Mangini listened to Elements of Persuasion? Like I said however many dozens of pages ago, JLB, DS, and JR all vastly improved as musicians and creative forces after entering DT. Mangini has potentially so much ability that hasn't been unlocked yet.
Agreed. There is some tasteful drumming in there. A little like a jewel waiting to be polished. If it's Mike Mangini, I'm sure he will do really nice things with DT.
B.Lee
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There's something about Mangini's stage presence that I think would fill the MP void the best from a live point of view. Plus I really like his playing. I think he'd fit in perfectly
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There's something about Mangini's stage presence that I think would fill the MP void the best from a live point of view. Plus I really like his playing. I think he'd fit in perfectly
I agree with this post!! :tup
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So maybe Marco said no to DT after they laid out the "Rules" for the band??? Wow
Maybe they said "No Side Projects" and told him that he must give Myung a daily foot massage (happy ending optional)?
I dont care what happened, joining a full time guaranteed gig would seem like a dream job. Choosing to remain freelance and mercenary is a ballsy move by Marco, if it is true.
Man that is really messy if that is what went down. I would imagine that he is on good terms if he ended up doing that gig with Jordan. Mangini being the next best thing sounds funny too.
What a clusterfock!!
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So maybe Marco said no to DT after they laid out the "Rules" for the band??? Wow
Maybe they said "No Side Projects" and told him that he must give Myung a daily foot massage (happy ending optional)?
I dont care what happened, joining a full time guaranteed gig would seem like a dream job. Choosing to remain freelance and mercenary is a ballsy move by Marco, if it is true.
Man that is really messy if that is what went down. I would imagine that he is on good terms if he ended up doing that gig with Jordan. Mangini being the next best thing sounds funny too.
What a clusterfock!!
Stoney, where did you read about the restrictions the band laid out? Asoo I love your Avitar. NEEEEEERDS!!!!!!! :lol
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I'm not sure about naked man, but the idea that DT wanted Marco, but he turned them down so they then had to wait for Mangini to finish up doing his other studio work seems plausible enough to me.
This is basically it. You guys don't have to believe me.. I can't cite where I got this info because I was told by these people that it is supposed to be secret. I just wanted to help clarify SOME of the questions with whatever insight I have.
Assuming we believe you have insight. I'm not convinced
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I'm not sure about naked man, but the idea that DT wanted Marco, but he turned them down so they then had to wait for Mangini to finish up doing his other studio work seems plausible enough to me.
This brings an odd question - why in the world would he even audition if he didn't want to be in the band?
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I'm not sure about naked man, but the idea that DT wanted Marco, but he turned them down so they then had to wait for Mangini to finish up doing his other studio work seems plausible enough to me.
This brings an odd question - why in the world would he even audition if he didn't want to be in the band?
Maybe Petrucci Forced...
"U WILL AUDITION FOR MY BAND!" *said in a jedi-mindtrick way"
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I've been wondering for a long time if the first choice fell through. Posted such on another site weeks ago. It would explain a lot of
things. Who knows what conditions were offered by DT. Could have been MANY things such as compensation, to something as
big as "hey, we only want you to do this for 1 album and tour cycle and then we will go from there and see how things shake out"
sort of thing. Or clauses that just weren't in the best interest of the new guy. Who knows. Total speculation.
I don't think we will ever know the whole story though unless people are free to talk after the process is over.
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So maybe Marco said no to DT after they laid out the "Rules" for the band??? Wow
Maybe they said "No Side Projects" and told him that he must give Myung a daily foot massage (happy ending optional)?
I dont care what happened, joining a full time guaranteed gig would seem like a dream job. Choosing to remain freelance and mercenary is a ballsy move by Marco, if it is true.
Man that is really messy if that is what went down. I would imagine that he is on good terms if he ended up doing that gig with Jordan. Mangini being the next best thing sounds funny too.
What a clusterfock!!
Stoney, where did you read about the restrictions the band laid out? Asoo I love your Avitar. NEEEEEERDS!!!!!!! :lol
I dont know what "rules" or stipulations, I am just speculating based on what JP had said a while back about not letting your drummer play in other bands, etc.
As others have said above, a lot of stipulations would have to agreed to by the new guy. maybe Marco didnt want to be restricted by rules or maybe the situation didnt appear to be as "permanent" as DT has let on.
If Marco did say NO, then he has a huge set of balls. Good for him if it didnt seem right.
IMO DT having to accept their second choice is like a sister kiss. Kinda lessens the vibe.
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I doubt they would come out and say "we wanted Minneman but he turned us down so we had to wait for Mangini".
why? JR originally turned them down, so they went with DS. they've always been open about that.
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I doubt they would come out and say "we wanted Minneman but he turned us down so we had to wait for Mangini".
why? JR originally turned them down, so they went with DS. they've always been open about that.
Were they open about it before JR eventually joined the band a few years later?
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Speculation is fun :lol
My cousin's cousin's boyfriend's sister's father is playing Guitar with Marco and they all have gas.
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I doubt they would come out and say "we wanted Minneman but he turned us down so we had to wait for Mangini".
why? JR originally turned them down, so they went with DS. they've always been open about that.
Were they open about it before JR eventually joined the band a few years later?
Well, he made a gig with them at Foundation's Forum. It's up on YouTube if you want, JR looks like James Hetfield there. :lol
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I'm not sure about naked man, but the idea that DT wanted Marco, but he turned them down so they then had to wait for Mangini to finish up doing his other studio work seems plausible enough to me.
This is basically it. You guys don't have to believe me.. I can't cite where I got this info because I was told by these people that it is supposed to be secret. I just wanted to help clarify SOME of the questions with whatever insight I have.
If you can't cite your source because it is supposed to be a secret, then you shouldn't even be saying you have information. Seems like a bid to get some attention to me. But I know if I were your source and you were publicly hinting about things even without saying them, I probably wouldn't be too happy and wouldn't be inclined to trust you in the future.
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If you can't cite your source because it is supposed to be a secret, then you shouldn't even be saying you have information. Seems like a bid to get some attention to me. But I know if I were your source and you were publicly hinting about things even without saying them, I probably wouldn't be too happy and wouldn't be inclined to trust you in the future.
This.
Plus
that Marco is planning on joining my friend's band
A very special "someone" is playing in my old band
At first he was playing for sure, than he's thinking about. Maybe tomorrow he'll be looking for someone to play with that have something to do with you.
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Yeah, I dislike blabbermouths.
For example, awhile ago I heard this story: This guy was dating this girl, but he had some problems with gambling. Eventually the girl got fed up and left him, but here's the kicker-- she left him for his brother! The thing is, she confided in way too many people, word got around to her original guy, and he shot her and his brother point blank.
So it just goes to show you, be careful with your secrets.
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If you can't cite your source because it is supposed to be a secret, then you shouldn't even be saying you have information. Seems like a bid to get some attention to me. But I know if I were your source and you were publicly hinting about things even without saying them, I probably wouldn't be too happy and wouldn't be inclined to trust you in the future.
This.
Plus
that Marco is planning on joining my friend's band
A very special "someone" is playing in my old band
At first he was playing for sure, than he's thinking about. Maybe tomorrow he'll be looking for someone to play with that have something to do with you.
"Joining" and "playing with" are two different things. Just sayin. ;)
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I'm not sure about naked man, but the idea that DT wanted Marco, but he turned them down so they then had to wait for Mangini to finish up doing his other studio work seems plausible enough to me.
This brings an odd question - why in the world would he even audition if he didn't want to be in the band?
Maybe Petrucci Forced...
"U WILL AUDITION FOR MY BAND!" *said in a jedi-mindtrick way"
With a distinct Bear growl. >:(
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Bid to get attention? From an internet forum? What good would that do for me? I was just trying to display what I could, because I was reading a lot of stuff about the label being the reason. I guess I shouldn't of even spoken up about it in the first place, you're right. We will all see in due time what is really going on with the band! Also, it might be a good idea to not treat people so poorly on this forum, esp to people who mean no harm :).
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Yeah, I dislike blabbermouths.
For example, awhile ago I heard this story: This guy was dating this girl, but he had some problems with gambling. Eventually the girl got fed up and left him, but here's the kicker-- she left him for his brother! The thing is, she confided in way too many people, word got around to her original guy, and he shot her and his brother point blank.
So it just goes to show you, be careful with your secrets.
Why has nobody else applauded this yet? :lol
:clap:
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Bid to get attention? From an internet forum? What good would that do for me? I was just trying to display what I could, because I was reading a lot of stuff about the label being the reason. I guess I shouldn't of even spoken up about it in the first place, you're right. We will all see in due time what is really going on with the band! Also, it might be a good idea to not treat people so poorly on this forum, esp to people who mean no harm :).
With all due respect, he didn't treat you poorly.
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Yeah, I dislike blabbermouths.
For example, awhile ago I heard this story: This guy was dating this girl, but he had some problems with gambling. Eventually the girl got fed up and left him, but here's the kicker-- she left him for his brother! The thing is, she confided in way too many people, word got around to her original guy, and he shot her and his brother point blank.
So it just goes to show you, be careful with your secrets.
Why has nobody else applauded this yet? :lol
:clap:
What?
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Bid to get attention? From an internet forum? What good would that do for me? I was just trying to display what I could, because I was reading a lot of stuff about the label being the reason. I guess I shouldn't of even spoken up about it in the first place, you're right. We will all see in due time what is really going on with the band! Also, it might be a good idea to not treat people so poorly on this forum, esp to people who mean no harm :).
With all due respect, he didn't treat you poorly.
^This. He didn't treat you poorly.
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I doubt they would come out and say "we wanted Minneman but he turned us down so we had to wait for Mangini".
why? JR originally turned them down, so they went with DS. they've always been open about that.
Were they open about it before JR eventually joined the band a few years later?
In that case, that's different : JR evetually joined DT as everybody in the band wished. So, it was hard to say anything on the matter. Now, If Minnemann's turned them down, he will NEVER be a part of DT : don't see why they wouldn't say openly the guy's finally refused to be in the band. Yet, as many have said, if the guy chose to audition and finally let them down...WOW!!!
B.Lee
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Yet, as many have said, if the guy chose to audition and finally let them down...WOW!!!
IF that happened (which is a big "if" since we have heard nothing difinitive or concrete from a credible source), it's actually not as big a deal as some make it out to be. Think about it from his perspective. If he's in a situation where it might work out, but he has other things brewing that might ultimately conflict, what should he do? The availability to audition for DT is a very limited window of time that likely will never come again. What if he passed it up, banking on whatever else he has lined up, and then that falls through and he missed his chance with DT? Safest thing would be to audition and see where it goes. This happens in other fields as well where people interview for jobs, are offered the job, but then don't take it because something else they had in the works ultimately comes through. Yeah, sometimes people get miffed over stuff like that, but most understand that that's just the way it works sometimes, and the interviewee has to do what he/she deems the best fit for him/her. No big deal.
Come to think of it, I had a sort of similar situation when I applied to law school. I had been accepted by a few schools. I was planning on going to a particular school here in N. Cal. with a very good reputation that had accepted me and had gone above-and-beyond in terms of reaching out on a personal level to express their interest. They accepted. I indicated that I would likely accept, but was waiting for a last few details to crystalize. And then, out of the blue, another school made me an "offer I couldn't refuse," so I went there instead. It happens.
While a lot of people would see playing for DT as the opportunity of a lifetime, if there is something else that is a better fit for Minnemann (or anyone else, for that matter), I couldn't blame him at all for making the choice that best suits him.
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Yet, as many have said, if the guy chose to audition and finally let them down...WOW!!!
IF that happened (which is a big "if" since we have heard nothing difinitive or concrete from a credible source), it's actually not as big a deal as some make it out to be. Think about it from his perspective. If he's in a situation where it might work out, but he has other things brewing that might ultimately conflict, what should he do? The availability to audition for DT is a very limited window of time that likely will never come again. What if he passed it up, banking on whatever else he has lined up, and then that falls through and he missed his chance with DT? Safest thing would be to audition and see where it goes. This happens in other fields as well where people interview for jobs, are offered the job, but then don't take it because something else they had in the works ultimately comes through. Yeah, sometimes people get miffed over stuff like that, but most understand that that's just the way it works sometimes, and the interviewee has to do what he/she deems the best fit for him/her. No big deal.
Come to think of it, I had a sort of similar situation when I applied to law school. I had been accepted by a few schools. I was planning on going to a particular school here in N. Cal. with a very good reputation that had accepted me and had gone above-and-beyond in terms of reaching out on a personal level to express their interest. They accepted. I indicated that I would likely accept, but was waiting for a last few details to crystalize. And then, out of the blue, another school made me an "offer I couldn't refuse," so I went there instead. It happens.
No big deal, no big deal : he would be responsible for the delay in the announcement, the Minnemann. And that alone should be punished by being forced to play AC DC music for the rest of his life. What a challenge! ;D
B.Lee
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For example, awhile ago I heard this story: This guy was dating this girl, but he had some problems with gambling. Eventually the girl got fed up and left him, but here's the kicker-- she left him for his brother! The thing is, she confided in way too many people, word got around to her original guy, and he shot her and his brother point blank.
I heard it too! Scenes From a Memory? :metal
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generally, ...boyfriend's sister's father = ...boyfriend's father.
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No big deal, no big deal : he would be responsible for the delay in the announcement, the Minnemann. And that alone should be punished by being forced to play AC DC music for the rest of his life. What a challenge! ;D
B.Lee
Harsh! :lol
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generally, ...boyfriend's sister's father = ...boyfriend's father.
Generally, but not in this case...
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Perhaps they are taking so long to announce it because they are genetically engineering the perfect drummer?
His name will be... Langinemann!
-Marc.
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Perhaps they are taking so long to announce it because they are genetically engineering the perfect drummer?
His name will be... Langinemann!
-Marc.
The Six Million Dollar Drummer! :lol
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Nah, they're building the perfect 3 man kit. They're also working out the mixing for it. One kit will get left audio channel, one will get right, and the third will get center. Center will also be mixed higher The person working the center kit will change from song to song. Drumming creativity will be at an all time high.
...Fuck I wish that were true.
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Anyone notice the "Wikipedia" paragraph on the new drummer? :lol
"The announcement of Mike's replacement was revealed in a long statement by the band to be Mike Mangini. Marco Minnemann was the initial choice following the fabled "7 Drummer Audition" but has since repudiated the offer due to personal reasons not as of yet revealed. Former Berklee intructor and friend of the former skinsman Mike Mangini has agreed to man the drum throne for the immediate future and is currently recording his parts for the new release"
Glorious source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater
P.S: If this was noticed before, or changed by any of us, sorry, didn't really follow the latest pages of this thread.
EDIT: Paragraph already got deleted.
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I wouldn't trust wikipedia for something like that, especially since they haven't had any long statements revealing anything yet... Looks like someone with wishful thinking edited wikipedia, because if it says it there, it must become truth. :lol
I noticed they even changed the band member list and other areas to include Mangini, someone was thorough.
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(https://i53.tinypic.com/21nh5yb.png) (https://i53.tinypic.com/21nh5yb.png)
...do some fucking work, Rob!
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:lol
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:rollin
QUICK SOMEONE RESURRECT THE DT CARTOON THREAD
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:lol
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Generally, but not in this case...
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so, stepfather?
EDIT: i can't quote worth a shit
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Anyone notice the "Wikipedia" paragraph on the new drummer? :lol
EDIT: Paragraph already got deleted.
Here's the comparison Wiki edits and who did it. (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dream_Theater&action=historysubmit&diff=415548876&oldid=415342411)
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https://i53.tinypic.com/21nh5yb.png
...do some fucking work, Rob!
:lol That's wonderful. Reminds me a lot of the DT cartoon thread. I still have a load of those saved somewhere!
Anyone notice the "Wikipedia" paragraph on the new drummer? :lol
EDIT: Paragraph already got deleted.
Here's the comparison Wiki edits and who did it. (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dream_Theater&action=historysubmit&diff=415548876&oldid=415342411)
Interesting, a search here of the IP brings up a user who registered but has not yet activated their account. :P
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(https://files.myopera.com/Zaphira/albums/612265/wikipedia%20cat.jpg) :tup
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Generally, but not in this case...
so, stepfather?
EDIT: i can't quote worth a shit
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lol..actually both, they are a hermaphrodite.
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Lol. Mike Mangini... backing vocals? haha
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Perhaps they are taking so long to announce it because they are genetically engineering the perfect drummer?
His name will be... Langinemann!
-Marc.
:metal
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Not sure if this has been posted already, apologies if it has. Probably still means nothing though...just more speculation
Jan 26th:
"Mangini Update
The rumor mill is churning overtime about Mike Mangini. I heard some inside info that it is happening. You know what Im talking about
Ill put up another post when its official."
https://www.drummersdominion.com/mangini-update
EDIT: (The post has Dream Theater in the tags, so he's obviously referring to DT)
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:o
Mike Mang-gini.
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Juicy.
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Not sure if this has been posted already, apologies if it has. Probably still means nothing though...just more speculation
Jan 26th:
"Mangini Update
The rumor mill is churning overtime about Mike Mangini. I heard some inside info that it is happening. You know what Im talking about
Ill put up another post when its official."
https://www.drummersdominion.com/mangini-update
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Maybe the Rudess/Minneman jam session was a chance for Minneman to evaluate Jordan as a potential future band-mate... and maybe Jordan failed the audition. :P
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This is actually gettin' me excited. Hell yeah! Back on track. :metal :metal
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Here is some interesting stuff Mike Portnoy said of Mike Mangini:
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=142046
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Wow. Interesting Mangini post. But who posted it? Mangini himself?
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Wow. Interesting Mangini post. But who posted it? Mangini himself?
Nope, posted by whoever runs https://www.drummersdominion.com ...so its far from an official source. Just thought I'd post it anyway.
EDIT: It seems the guy is from the Boston area and seems to be well in the music scene there, and went to Berklee and studied with Mike Mangini, so I'd say he could well know something! :corn
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I'd say there have been several unofficial round about leaks now and they all point to Mike Mangini. Even though we can't be sure yet, it sure seems obvious at this point.
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You know what this reminds me of? When you're standing in a GA concert, everybody is jacked up to see the band, but then it takes ages for the band to come on. All the while, for inane reasons such as a curtain fluttering, everybody goes frantic, only to die down once everybody realizes it was nothing.
That's kinda the situation right now. :lol
rumborak
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I would like to make it clear that in this metaphor I will not cheer the roadies when they test the instruments. I will settle for nothing less than a real drummer.
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You know what this reminds me of? When you're standing in a GA concert, everybody is jacked up to see the band, but then it takes ages for the band to come on. All the while, for inane reasons such as a curtain fluttering, everybody goes frantic, only to die down once everybody realizes it was nothing.
That's kinda the situation right now. :lol
rumborak
So true :lol
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You know what this reminds me of? When you're standing in a GA concert, everybody is jacked up to see the band, but then it takes ages for the band to come on. All the while, for inane reasons such as a curtain fluttering, everybody goes frantic, only to die down once everybody realizes it was nothing.
That's kinda the situation right now. :lol
rumborak
And I swear some bands do stuff like that on purpose (flutter curtains and whatnot) just to mess with us :D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMvZFtIDyMM&feature=feedrec_grec_index
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It's funny because he's playing the guitar.
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It's funny because he's playing the guitar.
It's funny because he's playing bass.
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my friend changed his youtube video name to something like that. the youtube comments are hilarious cause no one gets that they are getting trolled
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Blabbermouth reports that Mangini is top rumored guy in 3, 2...
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You know what this reminds me of? When you're standing in a GA concert, everybody is jacked up to see the band, but then it takes ages for the band to come on. All the while, for inane reasons such as a curtain fluttering, everybody goes frantic, only to die down once everybody realizes it was nothing.
That's kinda the situation right now. :lol
rumborak
That's such a good analogy. :lol It's like, just seeing Mangini's name mentioned somewhere, even out of context, results in "well, it looks like he's the guy!".
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Or the drum tech comes out to adjust the toms.
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You know what this reminds me of? When you're standing in a GA concert, everybody is jacked up to see the band, but then it takes ages for the band to come on. All the while, for inane reasons such as a curtain fluttering, everybody goes frantic, only to die down once everybody realizes it was nothing.
That's kinda the situation right now. :lol
rumborak
That's such a good analogy. :lol It's like, just seeing Mangini's name mentioned somewhere, even out of context, results in "well, it looks like he's the guy!".
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That's chaos.
CHAOS
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But is it out of the blackness?
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No, just systematic.
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FOREVERMORE
INTO THE NIGHT
SCURVY! DREAMS
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Our lives changed forevermore! Into the night! Blistering! *riff*
That is one of those things I can think of to give me an instant laugh. :lol
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Why can't we change our votes anymore?
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Our lives changed forevermore! Into the night! Blistering! *riff*
That is one of those things I can think of to give me an instant laugh. :lol
there is a recording of that somewhere, right? :lol
Why can't we change our votes anymore?
devin townsend
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Where is the child board for the mixes? I think it got deleted. :(
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It's in the very depths of hell, along with the Octavarium forum. :millahhhh
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Forevermore?! Into the night?! BlisterING?!
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just a few posts back, people were accusing the guy pointing at Mangini to be lying.
Now, everyone seems try to believe it is him.
wtf
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You know what this reminds me of? When you're standing in a GA concert, everybody is jacked up to see the band, but then it takes ages for the band to come on. All the while, for inane reasons such as a curtain fluttering, everybody goes frantic, only to die down once everybody realizes it was nothing.
That's kinda the situation right now. :lol
rumborak
That's such a good analogy. :lol It's like, just seeing Mangini's name mentioned somewhere, even out of context, results in "well, it looks like he's the guy!".
What? Mangini?! I KNEW IT.
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I also posted this in the other Mangini thread. I noticed that Mangini updated his mikemangini.com website yesterday, but I didn't see it mentioned here. It sounds like he's at home and not in the studio with DT. Here's what he said:
"I am attempting to finally settle the new recording gear so it works. A totally upgraded drum kit is up and running as well. The EPro and come custom pads really open a world of sounds with both the hands and feet. This is crazy fun!!"
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I also posted this in the other Mangini thread. I noticed that Mangini updated his mikemangini.com website yesterday, but I didn't see it mentioned here. It sounds like he's at home and not in the studio with DT. Here's what he said:
"I am attempting to finally settle the new recording gear so it works. A totally upgraded drum kit is up and running as well. The EPro and come custom pads really open a world of sounds with both the hands and feet. This is crazy fun!!"
So it's not Mangini. ;)
Seriously, that just sounds like something JR would post about his equipment. Nothing really revealing here imo.
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It sounds like he could very well be posting that from a studio.
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True. He did say "recording" gear. I guess I didn't expect him to try out new/upgraded equipment on the DT album. But it's possible! Hmm.
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The speculation is everywhere.
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just a few posts back, people were accusing the guy pointing at Mangini to be lying.
Now, everyone seems try to believe it is him.
wtf
Because he had no posts and was claiming something pretty significant without offering any kind of proof of where Mangini was, or that he was even from New York at all. If Mike posts something that leads people to believe its him, it makes a bit more sense. :lol
Still hoping that he's just doing some recording for something completely random and not DT.
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I never changed my vote, although my vote know heavily lingers on Mangini. Not because of the speculation or things said here, but because I think he seems to me like the best candidate as it has already beens aid multiple times in this thread (location, style, age, etc.)
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Mangini does seem to fit the criteria. Plus, he seems like someone the others would like being around. Charisma is contagious. I can't find it now unfortunately, but does anyone have a link of an interview he did in Italy where he was playing the role of an Italian with the accent and all? I guess because of his Italian heritage he figured he'd play it up in the interview. That was just hilarious.
Edit: Found the link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QnQjTiBWSw
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At the studio, creating some wild music today with boys.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/247539825.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1298602414&Signature=P8YP3BND9DGOU8Cku4Fs5WwXF64%3D)
inb4 people analyze the shit out of that photo trying to figure out who the drummer in the background is. :| It certainly doesn't look like anyone else from the band back there..
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I dunno, but that looks like Paul Northfield to me. :D
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It actually looks like James or JP sitting down. It doesn't even look like a drum kit.
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When JR said at the studio "today," does he mean earlier today? Or right now? He posted it two hours ago. Hmm.
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Hey guys can anybody explain me why Thomas Lang has being ruled out??? I mean does boot camp interfere with DT's july schedule? Or is it just that everybody else voted for Mangini? Im just wondering... Thanks
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Hey guys can anybody explain me why Thomas Lang has being ruled out??? I mean does boot camp interfere with DT's july schedule? Or is it just that everybody else voted for Mangini? Im just wondering... Thanks
Well, he's having a camp in California in march, wich lasts 2 days. He's probably staying in Austria/Germany for a week+ for two camps in April. That's about it as far as I know, I saw some other posters but I think those were from last year. So it shouldn't interfere that much with the recording sessions. Let's say he will be unavailable for DT work for two weeks, and thats it!
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I haven't ruled anybody out at this point. Except Mike Portnoy... although Zombie MP is a different story. OK, so I've eliminated Zeleny because he flat out said he didn't try out. Other than that though the only other person "confirmed" to not be it is Minnemann, but that was an unsourced Blabbermouth article, which basically means he's still a possibility.
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"I am attempting to finally settle the new recording gear so it works. A totally upgraded drum kit is up and running as well. The EPro and come custom pads really open a world of sounds with both the hands and feet. This is crazy fun!!"
HEY WAIT A MINUTE MAN.........
if Mangini's the chosen one, then we'll have at least one DT's song recorded with EPro, the electric drums.
I have got more than enough from Speak To Me.
:facepalm:
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so I've eliminated Zeleny because he flat out said he didn't try out. Other than that though the only other person "confirmed" to not be it is Minnemann, but that was an unsourced Blabbermouth article, which basically means he's still a possibility.
Does that matter? Say hypothetically they hired Zeleny, and told him to zip his trap. Well, if someone asks you aboot it, what are you gonna say? Throw the dogs off the scent. I haven't ruled out ANYONE, although I've thought it was Mangini from the start.
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Hey guys can anybody explain me why Thomas Lang has being ruled out??? I mean does boot camp interfere with DT's july schedule? Or is it just that everybody else voted for Mangini? Im just wondering... Thanks
Well, he's having a camp in California in march, wich lasts 2 days. He's probably staying in Austria/Germany for a week+ for two camps in April. That's about it as far as I know, I saw some other posters but I think those were from last year. So it shouldn't interfere that much with the recording sessions. Let's say he will be unavailable for DT work for two weeks, and thats it!
some of Langs latest tweets:
on Feb 23: my wife is making me watch glee... help!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess that means he is still at home in California or his wife is in NY too :lol
Feb 24: working on a new drum dvd. this time i'm not the drummer. sound mysterious??? you'll know sooN!
I don't know what that means but my feeling tells me he is not the one...
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Hey guys can anybody explain me why Thomas Lang has being ruled out??? I mean does boot camp interfere with DT's july schedule? Or is it just that everybody else voted for Mangini? Im just wondering... Thanks
Well, he's having a camp in California in march, wich lasts 2 days. He's probably staying in Austria/Germany for a week+ for two camps in April. That's about it as far as I know, I saw some other posters but I think those were from last year. So it shouldn't interfere that much with the recording sessions. Let's say he will be unavailable for DT work for two weeks, and thats it!
some of Langs latest tweets:
on Feb 23: my wife is making me watch glee... help!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess that means he is still at home in California or his wife is in NY too :lol
Feb 24: working on a new drum dvd. this time i'm not the drummer. sound mysterious??? you'll know sooN!
I don't know what that means but my feeling tells me he is not the one...
I dont know i always thougth he was a perfect match for DT but i just wanted to know if he was ruled out.
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Blabbermouth reports that Mangini is top rumored guy in 3, 2...
This is what I read:
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=152336
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Blabbermouth reports that Mangini is top rumored guy in 3, 2...
This is what I read:
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=152336
and again, nothing new in this link...
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Could we have name issues...
Black Sabbath ----> Heaven & Hell
Dream Theater -----> Images & Words (not bad by the way ;) )
https://www.trademarkia.com/dream-theater-85200399.html
Dream Theater trademark status: NEW APPLICATION - RECORD INITIALIZED NOT ASSIGNED TO EXAMINER
Filing date: 12/17/2010
And after quick googling...---->
What does "New Application: Record Initialized Not Assigned to an Examiner" mean?
The United States Patent and Trademark Office, may take about a year to fully register a trademark, during which time the trademark application goes through a series of steps, and this status informs the applicant of the first step.
If someone knows more of that, please tell...
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Wow
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The description provided to the USPTO for DREAM THEATER is T-shirts; Shirts; Sweatshirts; Jackets; Headwear.
That's what it says on that site.
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There are currently two live registered trademarks for Dream Theater, both registered to the same Incorporation. One was back in 1997.
Here is the one in 1997: https://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4001:4ikr46.2.6
They are both registered by Ytse Jams, Inc.
It could be just a re-filing renewal for the other one on Dec 17, 2010. This one allows the to put their TM on merchandise. The one for 1997 is for live performances with the name Dream Theater.
Does anybody know who owns Ytse Jams, Inc.?
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There are currently two live registered trademarks for Dream Theater, both registered to the same Incorporation. One was back in 1997.
Here is the one in 1997: https://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4001:4ikr46.2.6
They are both registered by Ytse Jams, Inc.
It could be just a re-filing renewal for the other one on Dec 17, 2010. This one allows the to put their TM on merchandise. The one for 1997 is for live performances with the name Dream Theater.
Does anybody know who owns Ytse Jams, Inc.?
Isn't Portnoy one of the owners of Ytse Jams Inc.. :-\
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Not sure what to make of this, could be everything or nothing, but it's certainly interesting.
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Mike is making it very very difficult. The difficulties are commensurate in magnitude with what you would expect from a personality who would expect 4 members of a working band to stop working while he takes a multi-year "break".
Think of outlaws holding up a stagecoach and you'll have some idea of what is going on.
I just can't accept this kind of statement without any further explanation. I mean what could Mike possibly want that's so bad? Royalties on the stuff he's already on? Sounds like he'd deserve that anyway.
What could he want that's so bad? Just for starters, and I do mean starters, think Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship/Starship.
maybe this guy was ringht after all!! But it seems that every guy that actually may know something is chased away from this forum. Pointless speculation from people that knows nothing is ok though. :-\
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He wasn't "chased away" from the forum. He was banned for being a jerk. And, for the record, he was also lying about who he is.
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He wasn't "chased away" from the forum. He was banned for being a jerk. And, for the record, he was also lying about who he is.
Wow Hahahaha Its funny how A LOT of people belived him!
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For the record, that trademark issue is only with regard to merchandise, to be specific "T-shirts; Shirts; Sweatshirts; Jackets; Headwear."
The Dream Theater trademark for "entertainment, namely, live performances by a musical band" is still active. Maybe the merchandise also includes the Ytse Jam releases, but I doubt it's an issue with MP trying to keep the band name, as some seem to be insinuating.
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Not giving any credit to the argument or rumors, but did anyone else notice a temp change to Mangini's wiki page on Feb 23 that said he had been "officially" announced as drummer? It was removed by early afternoon and obviously wasn't official, but did anyone else catch it?
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Not giving any credit to the argument or rumors, but did anyone else notice a temp change to Mangini's wiki page on Feb 23 that said he had been "officially" announced as drummer? It was removed by early afternoon and obviously wasn't official, but did anyone else catch it?
Yeah but pretty much every one of the potential candidates (and non-candidates) have had their Wiki pages edited to say they were the new drummer over the last 4 months or so. Remember, there's a reason WIkipedia is free.
(https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b279/prostheticsummer/12351296216401-1.jpg)
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:lol
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Exotic Dancer Myung obviously XP
'Cause, you know, I'd pay to see that. Not that I wouldn't already pay to see DT live, drummer or no drummer
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He wasn't "chased away" from the forum. He was banned for being a jerk. And, for the record, he was also lying about who he is.
Wow Hahahaha Its funny how A LOT of people belived him!
People believed him?
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He wasn't "chased away" from the forum. He was banned for being a jerk. And, for the record, he was also lying about who he is.
So ainamotore is aina-nomore?
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aina-nomoore
:neverusethis:
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And what's moore, he'll never be open again.
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Could we have name issues...
Black Sabbath ----> Heaven & Hell
Dream Theater -----> Images & Words (not bad by the way ;) )
https://www.trademarkia.com/dream-theater-85200399.html
Dream Theater trademark status: NEW APPLICATION - RECORD INITIALIZED NOT ASSIGNED TO EXAMINER
Filing date: 12/17/2010
And after quick googling...---->
What does "New Application: Record Initialized Not Assigned to an Examiner" mean?
The United States Patent and Trademark Office, may take about a year to fully register a trademark, during which time the trademark application goes through a series of steps, and this status informs the applicant of the first step.
If someone knows more of that, please tell...
By the same token...
https://www.trademarkia.com/logo-85200418.html
Pow.
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I wonder if Ytse Jams had to be dissolved and Petrucci had to reapply for those trademarks under a different incorporation. Ron Bienstock (https://www.musicesq.com/attorneys/ronald-s-bienstock) must be their lawyer.
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And what's moore, he'll never be open again.
(https://files.sharenator.com/i_see_what_you_did_there_RE_Anyone_else_see_it-s450x545-95526.jpg)
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Blabbermouth reports that Mangini is top rumored guy in 3, 2...
This is what I read:
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=152336
They wrote that article in response to this one: https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=151559 which they wrote a few days earlier. Neither cites any source whatsoever, so they could very well have invented both reports. The more I read that site the more I don't like it. It's just not good journalistically speaking.
The reason I said they would say Mangini is rumored is because we're talking about him in this thread right now just like we were talking about Minemann in the days leading up to the first article, hell, we could be the source.
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Jesus has 48 votes. I can see where Blabbermouth would use this thread as their source. :lol
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If they do, we'll know first.
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He wasn't "chased away" from the forum. He was banned for being a jerk. And, for the record, he was also lying about who he is.
Well I don't care.................but it seems he maybe was on to something. Anyway, if I knew something this isn't the most welcoming enviroment to post it in.
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He wasn't "chased away" from the forum. He was banned for being a jerk. And, for the record, he was also lying about who he is.
Well I don't care.................but it seems he maybe was on to something. Anyway, if I knew something this isn't the most welcoming enviroment to post it in.
This has been explained numerous times now, but if a random person that nobody here knows starts posting about what they are "on to" without any evidence for what it is or how they know, then whether it's true or not they shouldn't be surprised if few people believe them. Because ANYONE could come on here and start posting like that.
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He wasn't "chased away" from the forum. He was banned for being a jerk. And, for the record, he was also lying about who he is.
Well I don't care.................but it seems he maybe was on to something. Anyway, if I knew something this isn't the most welcoming enviroment to post it in.
This has been explained numerous times now, but if a random person that nobody here knows starts posting about what they are "on to" without any evidence for what it is or how they know, then whether it's true or not they shouldn't be surprised if few people believe them. Because ANYONE could come on here and start posting like that.
No shit. What are you not getting about that?
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I realy hate posting in this place that's very welcoming. I hate the feeling of community. * sarcasm off*
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I do remember a time when I had first started on this forum. I thought everybody were assholes, and I hated it, but it was the most efficient and informative DT board (imo).
The n00bies have to just grow a pair, it's the way of life here. If you can survive, you can stay...
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I do remember a time when I had first started on this forum. I thought everybody were assholes, and I hated it, but it was the most efficient and informative DT board (imo).
The n00bies have to just grow a pair, it's the way of life here. If you can survive, you can stay...
Let's create a song : "Let's tell the noobs to grow a pair of boobs" (it's better for the rhyme)""if they can't stand the calls, they can just grow balls"!
B.Lee
Not a very good piece of poetry, but it rhymes. :P :metal Btw, it's just in jest, I once was a noob too.
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Sorry :2X post. I'm not such an egocentric as to quote myself. OOps!
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um wut
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He wasn't "chased away" from the forum. He was banned for being a jerk. And, for the record, he was also lying about who he is.
I actually believe he was who he said he was. I also believe he was banned for refusing to provide proof of the fact that Mike and DT were in a legal fight over Dream Theater's name. Proof he could not possibly offer, especially if he was a family member. You couldn't expect him to violate confidences like that, and remain a viable family member and continue getting invited for Christmas LOL... Yet he did provide a glimpse into the interior. The facts appear to be gradually proving him right, the legal fight is now obvious and it is almost impossible to conceive that the band name is not in play. It has to be and why wouldn't it be? Along with everything else, as we are now beginning to see. It all comes out sooner or later doesn't it then? However I also see the mods not being able to accept him on his word. And the forum is private property so the mods can ban anyone they want and it's perfectly legit.
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He wasn't "chased away" from the forum. He was banned for being a jerk. And, for the record, he was also lying about who he is.
I actually believe he was who he said he was. I also believe he was banned for refusing to provide proof of the fact that Mike and DT were in a legal fight over Dream Theater's name. Proof he could not possibly offer, especially if he was a family member. You couldn't expect him to violate confidences like that, and remain a viable family member and continue getting invited for Christmas LOL... Yet he did provide a glimpse into the interior. The facts appear to be gradually proving him right, the legal fight is now obvious and it is almost impossible to conceive that the band name is not in play. It has to be and why wouldn't it be? Along with everything else, as we are now beginning to see. It all comes out sooner or later doesn't it then? However I also see the mods not being able to accept him on his word. And the forum is private property so the mods can ban anyone they want and it's perfectly legit.
I haven't seen any proof for legal battles other than people saying it must be obvious.
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He wasn't "chased away" from the forum. He was banned for being a jerk. And, for the record, he was also lying about who he is.
I actually believe he was who he said he was. I also believe he was banned for refusing to provide proof of the fact that Mike and DT were in a legal fight over Dream Theater's name. Proof he could not possibly offer, especially if he was a family member. You couldn't expect him to violate confidences like that, and remain a viable family member and continue getting invited for Christmas LOL... Yet he did provide a glimpse into the interior. The facts appear to be gradually proving him right, the legal fight is now obvious and it is almost impossible to conceive that the band name is not in play. It has to be and why wouldn't it be? Along with everything else, as we are now beginning to see. It all comes out sooner or later doesn't it then? However I also see the mods not being able to accept him on his word. And the forum is private property so the mods can ban anyone they want and it's perfectly legit.
Wtf. Yes technically we CAN ban anyone for whatever reason we like, but we don't. He wasn't banned because of lack of evidence, and I have no idea why you think he was. Other people have made claims without proof and they've been shouted down by people but there's nothing against the rules about that so they haven't been banned.
Also, the legal fight is now "obvious"? I really have no idea what you're talking about.
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He wasn't "chased away" from the forum. He was banned for being a jerk. And, for the record, he was also lying about who he is.
I actually believe he was who he said he was. I also believe he was banned for refusing to provide proof of the fact that Mike and DT were in a legal fight over Dream Theater's name. Proof he could not possibly offer, especially if he was a family member. You couldn't expect him to violate confidences like that, and remain a viable family member and continue getting invited for Christmas LOL... Yet he did provide a glimpse into the interior. The facts appear to be gradually proving him right, the legal fight is now obvious and it is almost impossible to conceive that the band name is not in play. It has to be and why wouldn't it be? Along with everything else, as we are now beginning to see. It all comes out sooner or later doesn't it then? However I also see the mods not being able to accept him on his word. And the forum is private property so the mods can ban anyone they want and it's perfectly legit.
Please provide proof of "legal fight". This is all still speculation. Not that I have a problem with speculation.
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i have to say, to get banned from this forum you have to say something REALLY stupid. the mods is pretty chill.
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I think he was referring to the recent YJR drama as evidence of a legal fight.
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i have to say, to get banned from this forum you have to say something REALLY stupid. the mods is pretty chill.
the mods is pretty chill.
meh mods is a pretty cool guy.
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How the eff is a legal situation over the band name obvious now? Actually, how the eff is any real legal situation obvious? As bosk said, once a suit is filed it can be viewed by the public. There probably won't be any new YJR releases unless the band buys the rights from MP, but that's just about the only kink on the DT business end.
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While they're at it they should buy the rights to WDaDU, and completely rework it with James LaBrie, along with the Majesty demos and b-sides. /rant
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I'd love to hear a rerecorded version of WDADU if we're allowed to hear John Myung.
No thanks on the Majesty demos though. With the exception of "Another Won," they're pretty bad.
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I'd love to hear a rerecorded version of WDADU if we're allowed to hear John Myung.
No thanks on the Majesty demos though. With the exception of "Another Won," they're pretty bad.
I'd give an obscene amount of money to hear a rerecorded and remastered version of "Mike Thinks He's Dee Dee Ramone Introducing a Song Song."
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I'd love to hear a rerecorded version of WDADU if we're allowed to hear John Myung.
No thanks on the Majesty demos though. With the exception of "Another Won," they're pretty bad.
Agreed, Another Won is pretty good although the Score version does a great job of updating that! And the rest just aren't very interesting.
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I'd love to hear a rerecorded version of WDADU if we're allowed to hear John Myung.
No thanks on the Majesty demos though. With the exception of "Another Won," they're pretty bad.
I'd give an obscene amount of money to hear a rerecorded and remastered version of "Mike Thinks He's Dee Dee Ramone Introducing a Song Song."
...except that isn't a part of the Majesty demos. :p
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I'd love to hear a rerecorded version of WDADU if we're allowed to hear John Myung.
No thanks on the Majesty demos though. With the exception of "Another Won," they're pretty bad.
I'd give an obscene amount of money to hear a rerecorded and remastered version of "Mike Thinks He's Dee Dee Ramone Introducing a Song Song."
...except that isn't a part of the Majesty demos. :p
It's on teh YtseJam Records version. :P
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Which is the Majesty demos packaged together with a ton of other... stuff.
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For Some reason i think it is Thomas Lang.
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i have to say, to get banned from this forum you have to say something REALLY stupid. the mods is pretty chill.
the mods is pretty chill.
meh mods is a pretty cool guy.
dude, it's been three hours, and i finally just got it.
kudos
but yeah, dream theater is rad, even with mangini.
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For Some reason i think it is Thomas Lang.
He does follow all three members that are on twitter
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For Some reason i think it is Thomas Lang.
He does follow all three members that are on twitter
So do I. :hat
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Wtf. Yes technically we CAN ban anyone for whatever reason we like, but we don't. He wasn't banned because of lack of evidence, and I have no idea why you think he was. Other people have made claims without proof and they've been shouted down by people but there's nothing against the rules about that so they haven't been banned.
Also, the legal fight is now "obvious"? I really have no idea what you're talking about.
Here is what got him banned:
ainamotore, if you have any actual evidence that what you are saying is true, I suggest you post it. But stating your wild speculation as fact, and doing so in a way that is outright insulting to Mike Portnoy is against forum rules and is heading you toward a ban.
What I stated was fact. I will post no proof to back it up.
If that's no good, then I accept my ban and goodbye and good luck to all.
It was demanded of him to offer proof, and he refused, which was understandable if he was inside. So that is why he was banned, for not offering proof. You can't ask an insider for proof or he might get in trouble with others on the inside. Similar to a reporter not revealing his sources. I think his tone was that of a strident know-it-all, but if I had someone like this around, I'd enjoy the inside info and just let him stay. At least until the public record indicates that he was full of hot air or someone points out a factual inconsistency. While anyone can claim to be inside, and be a liar, has it ever happened here? I think that argument is a straw man.
As to the obvious nature of the legal battle, Mike's YTSEJAMS posts SCREAM "behind the scenes conflict". A MILD reading between the lines yields clear indications of assertions related to who owns what and who is in possession of what etc. I don't think any other interpretation is as plausible as that of a huge behind-the-scenes legal battle. That's why I would have kept ainawhatever around. He was obviously enjoying slipping out the tidbits. Who knows how many more oblique postings would have resulted, allowing us to cleverly construct a foggy scenario of the machinations going on behind the backdrop...
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Mike simply stated that Ytsejam records is unlikely to continue in the same capacity, nothing hinting at a legal battle.
Also, reading between the lines by its very definition negates something being obvious.
I really don't believe it's a big deal.
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maybe major thirteenth is actually in the know, but because of how ainininintiemaore was treated, he isn't going down the road of presenting his case as absolute fact.
and just because what's his name didn't prove he's JP's long lost pet's former dietitian, it by no means proves he isn't.
either way, this whole prove yourself or otherwise you'll full of BS is BS in itself.
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maybe major thirteenth is actually in the know, but because of how ainininintiemaore was treated, he isn't going down the road of presenting his case as absolute fact.
and just because what's his name didn't prove he's JP's long lost pet's former dietitian, it by no means proves he isn't.
either way, this whole prove yourself or otherwise you'll full of BS is BS in itself.
I'm the pope.
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either way, this whole prove yourself or otherwise you'll full of BS is BS in itself.
Yeah, people should be able to say what they want. Then people can believe them or not and leave it at that.
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either way, this whole prove yourself or otherwise you'll full of BS is BS in itself.
Yeah, people should be able to say what they want. Then people can believe them or not and leave it at that.
Or if you know that, without proof, don't say that you know something. If there is a precedence where you are told how to post, why push it?
The band will post who the drummer is when they can. I'm as anxious as all of you.
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So, I was just reading the forum over at JP.com and one of the posters over there, MADSMAN, who has been a regular for years, ran into Jordan at NAMM and he posted a conversation he had with Jordan:
Me: "how much alcohol do we have to get you to drink, before you will tell us who the new drummer is."
Jordan, with a totally straight face: "There is no amount of alcohol. You can not get me to tell."
Me: "How about I start naming drummers, and see if you give up any tells?"
Jordan, stone face "You will never be able to read me. I will deny any drummer."
Me: "Marco Minnemann."
Jordan, no change in expression: "I love Marco Minnemann. He is not the drummer."
Me: "I know it's not Virgil."
Jordan: "It is not Virgil."
Me: "Mike Mangini."
Jordan: "It is not Mike Mangini."
Me: "This isn't working. Enjoy your evening."
I have been reading JP's forum for over a decade and Madsman is a regular clinician at Paul Warren's (JP's webmaster) music school in North (or South?) Carolina. When he says he ran into Jordan, he's telling the truth. Which means "dreamsforever," as I knew 100%, was full of shit.
thread (page 11) :
https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72537&page=11
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Even though I also believe Mangini is out of the race, Jordan did say (in that little dialogue) that he would deny any drummer. I don't think it matters if it's the right one or not.
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Yeah. That really doesn't mean anything. :lol
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That's no more proof than what dreamsforever offered.
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On that matter, it seems JR is really into Marco Minnemann. I've heard nothing but praise coming from Jordan, which is definitely a cool thing. I can totally see the guys discussing the drummer after the auditions and JR cheering for Minnemann.
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Wtf. Yes technically we CAN ban anyone for whatever reason we like, but we don't. He wasn't banned because of lack of evidence, and I have no idea why you think he was. Other people have made claims without proof and they've been shouted down by people but there's nothing against the rules about that so they haven't been banned.
Also, the legal fight is now "obvious"? I really have no idea what you're talking about.
Here is what got him banned:
ainamotore, if you have any actual evidence that what you are saying is true, I suggest you post it. But stating your wild speculation as fact, and doing so in a way that is outright insulting to Mike Portnoy is against forum rules and is heading you toward a ban.
What I stated was fact. I will post no proof to back it up.
If that's no good, then I accept my ban and goodbye and good luck to all.
It was demanded of him to offer proof, and he refused, which was understandable if he was inside. So that is why he was banned, for not offering proof. You can't ask an insider for proof or he might get in trouble with others on the inside. Similar to a reporter not revealing his sources. I think his tone was that of a strident know-it-all, but if I had someone like this around, I'd enjoy the inside info and just let him stay. At least until the public record indicates that he was full of hot air or someone points out a factual inconsistency. While anyone can claim to be inside, and be a liar, has it ever happened here? I think that argument is a straw man.
As to the obvious nature of the legal battle, Mike's YTSEJAMS posts SCREAM "behind the scenes conflict". A MILD reading between the lines yields clear indications of assertions related to who owns what and who is in possession of what etc. I don't think any other interpretation is as plausible as that of a huge behind-the-scenes legal battle. That's why I would have kept ainawhatever around. He was obviously enjoying slipping out the tidbits. Who knows how many more oblique postings would have resulted, allowing us to cleverly construct a foggy scenario of the machinations going on behind the backdrop...
Yeah, and you might want to go back and post the rest of the conversation. He was warned for flaming Mike, and after being warned, basically said "F-you. Ban me then."
But as far as him being "in the know," I can tell you for certain that whether he was in the know or not, he definitely was not who he said he was. I checked, which isn't hard for me to do. What I can't figure out is why you'd go to such great lengths to defend a liar who wasn't even around here long enough to make the kind of friends that would stand up for him.
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Yeah, and you might want to go back and post the rest of the conversation. He was warned for flaming Mike, and after being warned, basically said "F-you. Ban me then."
But as far as him being "in the know," I can tell you for certain that whether he was in the know or not, he definitely was not who he said he was. I checked, which isn't hard for me to do. What I can't figure out is why you'd go to such great lengths to defend a liar who wasn't even around here long enough to make the kind of friends that would stand up for him.
Somebody else brought it up, it just piqued my curiosity so I researched the exchange. He was banned within a post or two right after he said he would not offer proof. I guess you are interpreting the statement "I will offer no proof, if that's no good, then I accept my ban", as a functional "F-you".
Anyways, ancient history by now, no point in belaboring it. He's gone and forgotten. If he was right, we will all know in due time. But it does seem to be going that way, and if a lawsuit is eventually required to allocate the rights and trademark equities, it will all eventually become quite public. I heard some fascinating and borderline horrifying scuttlebut from Jordan's evening a few weeks ago, but I don't want to relate it as it might be similarly misinterpreted, but it all points to some serious conflict. The likes of which makes me believe that ainawhatever was in fact privy to inside information. Unlike others who claim to be pure, I dig the intrigue and the suspense. Unlike jazz and classical, in rock it's NOT all about the music, the personalities are part of the game, and the interactions between them are fascinating. Sometimes in a "train wreck" sense, but whatever...
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All I'll add on the subject is just to point out that a lot of what gets people into trouble isn't what they say, but how they say it.
And as far as him having inside info, he may very well be close to the band in some sense and be privy to information. But he definitely wasn't who he said he was, that I can tell you.
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All I'll add on the subject is just to point out that a lot of what gets people into trouble isn't what they say, but how they say it.
And as far as him having inside info, he may very well be close to the band in some sense and be privy to information. But he definitely wasn't who he said he was, that I can tell you.
Who exactly did he say he was? And how did it turn out he wasn't who he said he was? Curious.
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So, I was just reading the forum over at JP.com and one of the posters over there, MADSMAN, who has been a regular for years, ran into Jordan at NAMM and he posted a conversation he had with Jordan:
Me: "how much alcohol do we have to get you to drink, before you will tell us who the new drummer is."
Jordan, with a totally straight face: "There is no amount of alcohol. You can not get me to tell."
Me: "How about I start naming drummers, and see if you give up any tells?"
Jordan, stone face "You will never be able to read me. I will deny any drummer."
Me: "Marco Minnemann."
Jordan, no change in expression: "I love Marco Minnemann. He is not the drummer."
Me: "I know it's not Virgil."
Jordan: "It is not Virgil."
Me: "Mike Mangini."
Jordan: "It is not Mike Mangini."
Me: "This isn't working. Enjoy your evening."
I have been reading JP's forum for over a decade and Madsman is a regular clinician at Paul Warren's (JP's webmaster) music school in North (or South?) Carolina. When he says he ran into Jordan, he's telling the truth. Which means "dreamsforever," as I knew 100%, was full of shit.
thread (page 11) :
https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72537&page=11
"I will deny any drummer." As in, regardless of whether it's accurate. That was clearly the entire point of that conversation.
This is a very weird vendetta.
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So, I was just reading the forum over at JP.com and one of the posters over there, MADSMAN, who has been a regular for years, ran into Jordan at NAMM and he posted a conversation he had with Jordan:
Me: "how much alcohol do we have to get you to drink, before you will tell us who the new drummer is."
Jordan, with a totally straight face: "There is no amount of alcohol. You can not get me to tell."
Me: "How about I start naming drummers, and see if you give up any tells?"
Jordan, stone face "You will never be able to read me. I will deny any drummer."
Me: "Marco Minnemann."
Jordan, no change in expression: "I love Marco Minnemann. He is not the drummer."
Me: "I know it's not Virgil."
Jordan: "It is not Virgil."
Me: "Mike Mangini."
Jordan: "It is not Mike Mangini."
Me: "This isn't working. Enjoy your evening."
I have been reading JP's forum for over a decade and Madsman is a regular clinician at Paul Warren's (JP's webmaster) music school in North (or South?) Carolina. When he says he ran into Jordan, he's telling the truth. Which means "dreamsforever," as I knew 100%, was full of shit.
thread (page 11) :
https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72537&page=11
except you apparently forgot the "You will never be able to read me. I will deny any drummer." part ;)
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Do we know who owns Ytse Jams, Inc.?
Or is this precisely one of the pieces of info we are trying to figure out?
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Wow, I think we are going to reach 200 pages, before DT announces the drummer.
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except you apparently forgot the "You will never be able to read me. I will deny any drummer." part ;)
You know what? I didn't forget it. I didn't even see it. That's even worse. LOL
(whistles)
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lol
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I think that if you are "in the know" or close to the DT members in any way, you probably wouldnt go against their wishes and spout off in a forum of their loyal fans. If you are one of my "friends" and you spill info I dont want you to, that is douchy.
Maybe these are friends of friends, but either way, keep your mouth shut unless you are willing to back it up.
It's gotta get resolved before the first "Dream Theater" show anyway right?
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^^^^
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So I had a dream last night that someone tweeted "Drummer announcement tomorrow." and it was on a Sunday, which could be today, or seven weeks from today.
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Thanks.
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All I'll add on the subject is just to point out that a lot of what gets people into trouble isn't what they say, but how they say it.
And as far as him having inside info, he may very well be close to the band in some sense and be privy to information. But he definitely wasn't who he said he was, that I can tell you.
Who exactly did he say he was? And how did it turn out he wasn't who he said he was? Curious.
LOL at your avatar!
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I still want Lang, and kind of believe its him.
A while back I suggested how cool it would be if they released there first video from the new album with no drummer only the drum set. Kind of like the way Avenged did with nightmare. Then introduce the drummer when they feel its right in an elaborate way.
What did Lang just post about making a DVD(video?) with him as the drummer only hes not in it. He comments how it "sounds mysterious doesent it?" I like where he could be going with this. He says "we will find out soon enough." See there is a God, Rock on Thomas. I think he is in NY with his wife. No reason why she couldnt be with him. :metal
Of course this is pure speculation on my part used soley to get the wheels turning of others here.
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Has there been any update at all lately? Seems there's total radio silence at this point.
I have to be honest, I envisioned the switch to be a bit more "spritely".
rumborak
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Has there been any update at all lately? Seems there's total radio silence at this point.
I have to be honest, I envisioned the switch to be a bit more "spritely".
rumborak
Me too ... but some people are dramaqueens and they are some who are taking their sweet ass time telling us ... :-\
Its like waiting for the result for the exam... "Will my life end, or will it continue?"
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Has there been any update at all lately? Seems there's total radio silence at this point.
I have to be honest, I envisioned the switch to be a bit more "spritely".
rumborak
Me too ... but some people are dramaqueens and they are some who are taking their sweet ass time telling us ... :-\
Its like waiting for the result for the exam... "Will my life end, or will it continue?"
Wait...so the audition winner is in the band, the rest get executed? That's a lot of people to kill. maybe that's why it's taking so long?
:biggrin:
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Has there been any update at all lately? Seems there's total radio silence at this point.
I have to be honest, I envisioned the switch to be a bit more "spritely".
rumborak
Me too ... but some people are dramaqueens and they are some who are taking their sweet ass time telling us ... :-\
Its like waiting for the result for the exam... "Will my life end, or will it continue?"
Wait...so the audition winner is in the band, the rest get executed? That's a lot of people to kill. maybe that's why it's taking so long?
:biggrin:
Jordan Rudess: "I can neither confirm nor deny the murder of the following drummers..."
Interviewer: "Mike Mangini?"
JR: "Great drummer -- not around much anymore, but you know how it is."
I: "Because you guys killed him, right? What about Thomas Lang?"
JR: "He was easy. You know, injured foot and all. I mean.... an easy guy to get to know, that is. Definitely still alive, maybe. I've said too much."
*runs away*
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Has there been any update at all lately? Seems there's total radio silence at this point.
I have to be honest, I envisioned the switch to be a bit more "spritely".
rumborak
Me too ... but some people are dramaqueens and they are some who are taking their sweet ass time telling us ... :-\
Its like waiting for the result for the exam... "Will my life end, or will it continue?"
Wait...so the audition winner is in the band, the rest get executed? That's a lot of people to kill. maybe that's why it's taking so long?
:biggrin:
Nah! Being from NY, I'm sure they know a guy who can get it done quickly.
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Wow, I think we are going to reach 200 pages, before DT announces the drummer.
not quite
my guess is 150 range.
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Mmm i dont know just lets do a simple math it took exactly 4 months for this thread to get 110 pages so 4 months from now = around june/july (new tour dates) = 220 pages iiiiffff everything goes like this, am i wrong?
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Lets now make this thread: Place Your Bets - How many pages will this thread get to when the new drummer is announced.
I say 139.
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I'm going to have to say around 160
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I'll say 111.
...Wait for it.
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I still say 121 (= 11 x 11.... 11th album in 2011, makes total sense).
-Marc.
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119....... and I still think Mangini :hat
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Has there been any update at all lately? Seems there's total radio silence at this point.
I have to be honest, I envisioned the switch to be a bit more "spritely".
rumborak
Me too ... but some people are dramaqueens and they are some who are taking their sweet ass time telling us ... :-\
Its like waiting for the result for the exam... "Will my life end, or will it continue?"
Wait...so the audition winner is in the band, the rest get executed? That's a lot of people to kill. maybe that's why it's taking so long?
:biggrin:
Jordan Rudess: "I can neither confirm nor deny the murder of the following drummers..."
Interviewer: "Mike Mangini?"
JR: "Great drummer -- not around much anymore, but you know how it is."
I: "Because you guys killed him, right? What about Thomas Lang?"
JR: "He was easy. You know, injured foot and all. I mean.... an easy guy to get to know, that is. Definitely still alive, maybe. I've said too much."
*runs away*
Only plausible explanation ...
JR and JP on to a rampage...
Kinda like Harry Potter and Arnold Schwarzenegger.... :P
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154
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The answer to everything, plus 100.
142
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2914....Sure feels like it :\ But probably around 134.
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The answer to everything, plus 100.
142
As much as I want to, I cannot refute this logic.
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Just came across this one sided nonsense:
https://blog.pennlive.com/new-music/2011/02/mike_portnoy_is_still_the_man.html
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Just came across this one sided nonsense:
https://blog.pennlive.com/new-music/2011/02/mike_portnoy_is_still_the_man.html
I don't see how it's any more one-sided than half the posts here regarding those matters.
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Just came across this one sided nonsense:
https://blog.pennlive.com/new-music/2011/02/mike_portnoy_is_still_the_man.html
"To put it briefly, Portnoy wanted Dream Theater to take a short break in order to have downtime away from each other, as well as have the ability to come back and refresh their stale sound."
"I'm glad he's not in Dream Theater anymore, looking back on the whole thing. The man is infinitely creative..."
I don't recall Portnoy ever calling their recent work stale, did he imply that somewhere? Anyways, it's quite a feat for an infinitely creative man to need a break to refresh creativity.
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Just came across this one sided nonsense:
https://blog.pennlive.com/new-music/2011/02/mike_portnoy_is_still_the_man.html
I don't see how it's any more one-sided than half the posts here regarding those matters.
True, and I never said it was "any more" one sided. But it is definitely one sided. Although, someone posted a comment in defense to the one sided blogger.
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Just came across this one sided nonsense:
https://blog.pennlive.com/new-music/2011/02/mike_portnoy_is_still_the_man.html
"To put it briefly, Portnoy wanted Dream Theater to take a short break in order to have downtime away from each other, as well as have the ability to come back and refresh their stale sound."
"I'm glad he's not in Dream Theater anymore, looking back on the whole thing. The man is infinitely creative..."
I don't recall Portnoy ever calling their recent work stale, did he imply that somewhere? Anyways, it's quite a feat for an infinitely creative man to need a break to refresh creativity.
Portnoy never said the music was stale, actually he said basically the opposite. It was never about creativity or the music, but their personal relationship was "strained".
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If Portnoy "is infinitely creative" and he was in DT when their music had gradually lost him, then why doesn't he shoulder any of that blame? Also the second sentence makes no sense. He says it was all downhill after SC, but then compliments BCSL which has been their only release since.
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Come April 1st, DT will annonce that Mike Portnoy has never left and we've all been fooled.
;D
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If Portnoy "is infinitely creative" and he was in DT when their music had gradually lost him, then why doesn't he shoulder any of that blame? Also the second sentence makes no sense. He says it was all downhill after SC, but then compliments BCSL which has been their only release since.
he never said the music was getting stale. he said the relationships were.
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Come April 1st, DT will annonce that Mike Portnoy has never left and we've all been fooled.
;D
I sure hope not.
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If Portnoy "is infinitely creative" and he was in DT when their music had gradually lost him, then why doesn't he shoulder any of that blame? Also the second sentence makes no sense. He says it was all downhill after SC, but then compliments BCSL which has been their only release since.
he never said the music was getting stale. he said the relationships were.
Which is something I have lots of trouble picturing, considering how good JLB and JR get along.
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MP's relationship with the guys got stale. The relationships within other members of the band apparently didn't, so they're moving on.
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this^
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looking around for more drum videos in youtube from mangini/minnemann/lang.. i bumped with this amazing drummer Johnny Rabb.. wow.. not saying he would be a great fit for DT but i'm happy i bumped to his videos.. i really like his playing, he is pretty impressive in a different way than mangini/minnemann/lang.. He have great groove and technique.
This past 5 months have been pretty educative in my drumming appreciation.
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Regarding the comments about MP being the holder of the archives from '85-'10, does anyone out there suspect that MP may be reluctant to share such archives with his former band mates or a representative from their camp?
If so, who would be the supposed victims of such a policy? Us, the fans, by being denied more DT materials to ingest? Or the band and its management/record company, by being denied use of said materials?
Would this come to legal action on the part of 2 or more parties? Would either side contest copyright holding privileges?
What does "It's too bad 'cause I had another batch (of Ytsejam Bootlegs) I was working on" mean?
I do not intend to finger point. I am merely interested in speculative discussion.
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Regarding the comments about MP being the holder of the archives from '85-'10, does anyone out there suspect that MP may be reluctant to share such archives with his former band mates or a representative from their camp?
Of course some people suspect that. That's why it is being discussed. Do we know? No. But it would not be surprising to most people if he were reluctant to share without being compensated.
If so, who would be the supposed victims of such a policy? Us, the fans, by being denied more DT materials to ingest? Or the band and its management/record company, by being denied use of said materials?
I vote "all the above."
Would this come to legal action on the part of 2 or more parties? Would either side contest copyright holding privileges?
We don't know whether it will ultimately lead to legal action. That is exactly what people are speculating about.
What does "It's too bad 'cause I had another batch (of Ytsejam Bootlegs) I was working on" mean?
I think it means he had another batch of Ytsejam Bootlegs he was working on. But that's just a guess. Other than the fact that Mike picked them out and sent them to Bob S. for mastering, we don't know much more.
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Is this any of you guys? :lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh9rqq7886U
I was bored and just typed "new dream theater drummer" on YT hoping that Jordan might have posted a video 1 min ago (you never know), this is one of the most recent ones. Even though i don't understand who this guy is talking to, I share his opinion that Minnemann would be the best fit. It also shows that Wikipedia (sadly) is still the first place people are going to when looking for the drummer. Anyways, just a link if you guys are bored.
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Is this any of you guys? :lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh9rqq7886U
:rollin
@ Mangini being called "Bizarro Portnoy"
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Is this any of you guys? :lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh9rqq7886U
:rollin
@ Mangini being called "Bizarro Portnoy"
hahahahaha .... I wanna make a driving video and make weird statements...
I need a car... and then u'll know the truth...
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how awesome would it be to have this guy as the drummer :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sf_pogZ8jE&feature=related
(sorry if already posted)
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What does "It's too bad 'cause I had another batch (of Ytsejam Bootlegs) I was working on" mean?
I think it means he had another batch of Ytsejam Bootlegs he was working on. But that's just a guess.
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/jay.gif)
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Just in!
He is here
The new drummer !
https://bit.ly/1Tnd5u
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Just in!
He is here
The new drummer !
https://bit.ly/1Tnd5u
wat
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Just in!
He is here
The new drummer !
https://bit.ly/1Tnd5u
I just dont see Travis Barker playing for DT... He is an INCREDIBLE drummer and if this were true I'd be very pleasantly suprised.
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gawt
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Just in!
He is here
The new drummer !
https://bit.ly/1Tnd5u
I just dont see Travis Barker playing for DT... He is an INCREDIBLE drummer and if this were true I'd be very pleasantly suprised.
It would be like getting a pop-punk Meg White.
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If TB were to some how be chosen as the new drummer, Dream Theater would sky rocket in popularity.
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MP's relationship with the guys got stale. The relationships within other members of the band apparently didn't, so they're moving on.
The way it sounded, there had been a gulf between MP and the rest of DT at the time of his leave, probably because DT had become a hierarchy. Kind of Hosni Mubarak style, where he was completely flabbergasted when he saw the people who he thought were loving him unconditionally suddenly stood up against him.
rumborak
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Roadrunner: "Come back 4th March for another announcement" after announcing a festival date!!!!!! Could this be it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????? ;D
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If TB were to some how be chosen as the new drummer, Dream Theater would sky rocket in popularity.
it would be kind of a wild ride wouldn't it?
Possibilities..... :metal
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Roadrunner: "Come back 4th March for another announcement" after announcing a festival date!!!!!! Could this be it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????? ;D
Possible. Maybe the official DT site will post a teaser too. We will just have to wait and see. March 8th would
have marked 6 months since MP's press release. We have to be getting close.
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If TB were to some how be chosen as the new drummer, Dream Theater would sky rocket in popularity.
it would be kind of a wild ride wouldn't it?
Possibilities..... :metal
Dream 182. A smile would be placed on the Majesty logo. And then some dots around it, or something. Technical, magnificent, spectacular, beautiful, eargasmic music. All over one overly simple stagnant drum beat. But it's ok, he plays it really hard. So that makes him good, right?
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If TB were to some how be chosen as the new drummer, Dream Theater would sky rocket in popularity.
it would be kind of a wild ride wouldn't it?
Possibilities..... :metal
Dream 182. A smile would be placed on the Majesty logo. And then some dots around it, or something. Technical, magnificent, spectacular, beautiful, eargasmic music. All over one overly simple stagnant drum beat. But it's ok, he plays it really hard. So that makes him good, right?
From what I've seen of the guy, how can people even envision him in DT? Apart from hitting very hard, what can he do? Plus, there seems to be no subtlety in his playing. May be wrong though.
B.Lee
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Given that TB will be out on tour from mid March and thru April promoting his new cd, i doubt he is "the one".
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Given that TB will be out on tour from mid March and thru April promoting his new cd, i doubt he is "the one".
Why is anyone seriously discussing Travis Barker in the context of Dream Theater's new drummer?
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i dont know, but that was my point.
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Given that TB will be out on tour from mid March and thru April promoting his new cd, i doubt he is "the one".
Why is anyone seriously discussing Travis Barker in the context of Dream Theater's new drummer?
Because this is DTF and we are running out of drummers to discuss.
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Buddy Rich
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Don't worry, hopefully we will all have something new to talk about come Friday :) Pleaseeeeeeeeee.
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If "Come back March 4th for another announcement..." is the bands, or Roadrunners way of letting everyone know they will be announcing the new drummer, that is lame!
They have to know this is a huge announcement. I don't mean they need to make a LeBron special, but if I was Roadrunner, I would use it to call a lot of attention to themselves as a marketing tool, and DT to finally start interacting with the fans a bit more.
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If "Come back March 4th for another announcement..." is the bands, or Roadrunners way of letting everyone know they will be announcing the new drummer, that is lame!
They have to know this is a huge announcement. I don't mean they need to make a LeBron special, but if I was Roadrunner, I would use it to call a lot of attention to themselves as a marketing tool, and DT to finally start interacting with the fans a bit more.
Unless its an announcement about an announcement lol
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If "Come back March 4th for another announcement..." is the bands, or Roadrunners way of letting everyone know they will be announcing the new drummer, that is lame!
They have to know this is a huge announcement. I don't mean they need to make a LeBron special, but if I was Roadrunner, I would use it to call a lot of attention to themselves as a marketing tool, and DT to finally start interacting with the fans a bit more.
Unless its an announcement about an announcement lol
Haha, I'd be so pissed is it was an announcement saying we will know who the new drummer is within a few weeks.
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Roadrunner: "Come back 4th March for another announcement" after announcing a festival date!!!!!! Could this be it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????? ;D
Where does it say this? I can't see it on the DT section of the RR site..
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Add-Another-Tour-Date-to-the-Summer-22759.aspx
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Its gotta be Mangini. All things point to him. Probably just something else hes doing but Charlie Z posted this on Facebook & Twitter: "Here comes a heavy month of recording. Glad I have the big kit setup now. It definitely opens up some cool new drum possibilities. Rawk!"
Wonder what thats about? How funny would it be that someone else dropped out like a Marco Minnemann and they just brought Charlie in to join.
Bozzio would be awesome but he probably doesn't have to do something like this. Still with it was Lang though!
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Add-Another-Tour-Date-to-the-Summer-22759.aspx
Thanks for that! To me that just looks like more tour dates to be announced March 4th
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Add-Another-Tour-Date-to-the-Summer-22759.aspx
Thanks for that! To me that just looks like more tour dates to be announced March 4th
I'm sure about this also, this won't be the BIG news
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what's tim alexander up to these days? i know he was touring with puscifer last year, but i haven't read anything recently...
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Although it's probably not the drummer announcement, RoadRunner is pretty fucking stupid not to word that differently.
Say: Come back on March 4th for another new tour date(s).
The way it is a lot of people will think it's the drummer announcement, and will be rightfully disappointed if it doesn't happen.
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It could be the drummer announcement though. Not holding my breath, but it could be.
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Although it's probably not the drummer announcement, RoadRunner is pretty fucking stupid not to word that differently.
Say: Come back on March 4th for another new tour date(s).
The way it is a lot of people will think it's the drummer announcement, and will be rightfully disappointed if it doesn't happen.
+1
roadrunner's stupid way of getting more people to read the announcement...whatever it may be.
edit - ..whatever it may be.
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It could be the drummer announcement though. Not holding my breath, but it could be.
It could be... but more likely...
roadrunner's stupid way of getting more people to read the announcement...whatever it may be.
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lol @ RoadRunner's mind attack.
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Awwwww shit im just tired of this RR marketing they just made what they wanted: getting more attention on DT than ever. And they are making us real fans wait like stupids it is not fun anymore, am sorry if someone would get mad at this but all is pure marketing coming from RR-retards!!!! Why us real fans have to deal with this?????, is RR trying to make prog-pop by getting more attention?????, i know that music is also business but lets face it thats what RR is making out this! Good luck to us.... We will need it.
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Doesn't matter if its tour dates or the drummer announcement. new news is good news
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I think its funny how u can post a video of any drummer and say "THE NEW DT DRUMMER!" and people starts to argue about how lame and stagnant the guy is...
Sure hope that the official DT Drummer gets a more welcomed greeting...
Have any of u guys thought about the possibility of them having a drummer with a mask on?!
So his Identity is secret, to all... Maybe including the band...?!
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the new drummer is the stig :rollin
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Well, that's it then.... this friday DT gonna announce their new drummer.
Why make a statement like that?
Or they could announce some new big festival names... but that's not ''special'' because they are doing this the last few weeks now.
The soap continues!
:corn
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No, they don't. Unless there's a clear indicator, this Roadrunner announcement won't equal that there's going to be a drummer announcement at all for me.
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No, they don't. Unless there's a clear indicator, this Roadrunner announcement won't equal that there's going to be a drummer announcement at all for me.
Exactly!
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Roadrunner is full of shit, guilty of misleading headlines/articles, unsubstantiating any "facts" and outright lying. Don't get your hopes up on this being it guys.
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Could also be a full-on tour announcement too, maybe with another band(s). We will just have to wait.
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No, they don't. Unless there's a clear indicator, this Roadrunner announcement won't equal that there's going to be a drummer announcement at all for me.
Exactly!
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Roadrunner is full of shit, guilty of misleading headlines/articles, unsubstantiating any "facts" and outright lying. Don't get your hopes up on this being it guys.
um, i think you mean Blabbermouth...
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It could be anything at this point...new dates, tours, maybe Jordan pulled a muscle in his wrist or JM was honored at a local Starbucks for his years of patronage
honestly people just need to chill
all i can say is looking through this thread once the announcement is made its just going to be a piss-fest anyway because drummer so and so was picked over someone else
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It could be anything at this point...new dates, tours, maybe Jordan pulled a muscle in his wrist or JM was honored at a local Starbucks for his years of patronage
honestly people just need to chill
all i can say is looking through this thread once the announcement is made its just going to be a piss-fest anyway because drummer so and so was picked over someone else
It's gonna be a blast... :lol
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all i can say is looking through this thread once the announcement is made its just going to be a piss-fest anyway because drummer so and so was picked over someone else
It will happen. No doubt. ???
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Roadrunner is full of shit, guilty of misleading headlines/articles, unsubstantiating any "facts" and outright lying. Don't get your hopes up on this being it guys.
um, i think you mean Blabbermouth...
Blabbermouth is part of Roadrunner.
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ITS MARCH ALREADY!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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It could be anything at this point...new dates, tours, maybe Jordan pulled a muscle in his wrist or JM was honored at a local Starbucks for his years of patronage
honestly people just need to chill
all i can say is looking through this thread once the announcement is made its just going to be a piss-fest anyway because drummer so and so was picked over someone else
Then chill.
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I know it is not him but a name that I am surprised no one mentioned was former Mars Volta drummer Jon Theodore. I remember seeing him perform live during the 'Frances the Mute' tour. He is a monster!
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It could be anything at this point...new dates, tours, maybe Jordan pulled a muscle in his wrist or JM was honored at a local Starbucks for his years of patronage
honestly people just need to chill
all i can say is looking through this thread once the announcement is made its just going to be a piss-fest anyway because drummer so and so was picked over someone else
Then chill.
He's pretty much chilled, don't worry. Someone had to say the things he said.
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Roadrunner is full of shit, guilty of misleading headlines/articles, unsubstantiating any "facts" and outright lying. Don't get your hopes up on this being it guys.
um, i think you mean Blabbermouth...
Blabbermouth is part of Roadrunner.
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I know it is not him but a name that I am surprised no one mentioned was former Mars Volta drummer Jon Theodore. I remember seeing him perform live during the 'Frances the Mute' tour. He is a monster!
He's a monster indeed. Was just thinking that the other day.
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I know it is not him but a name that I am surprised no one mentioned was former Mars Volta drummer Jon Theodore. I remember seeing him perform live during the 'Frances the Mute' tour. He is a monster!
Really, Macondo? MACONDO?
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It could be anything at this point...new dates, tours, maybe Jordan pulled a muscle in his wrist or JM was honored at a local Starbucks for his years of patronage
honestly people just need to chill
all i can say is looking through this thread once the announcement is made its just going to be a piss-fest anyway because drummer so and so was picked over someone else
Then chill.
He's pretty much chilled, don't worry. Someone had to say the things he said.
I am as chill as chill can be..if that makes any sense. I just see alot of new posters (welcome) and I can only imagine the job the mods will have on their hands once the announcement is made. Bottom line is DT is going to do what they feel is best for them, not best for the fan base
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the best them
:caffeine:
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Roadrunner is full of shit, guilty of misleading headlines/articles, unsubstantiating any "facts" and outright lying. Don't get your hopes up on this being it guys.
um, i think you mean Blabbermouth...
Blabbermouth is part of Roadrunner.
No it is not. They are completely independent from one another. The website is just hosted under Roadrunner Records.
From Blabbermouth:
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EDIT: Someone beat me too it.
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:omg:
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:omg:
:P
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It could be anything at this point...new dates, tours, maybe Jordan pulled a muscle in his wrist or JM was honored at a local Starbucks for his years of patronage
honestly people just need to chill
all i can say is looking through this thread once the announcement is made its just going to be a piss-fest anyway because drummer so and so was picked over someone else
Then chill.
He's pretty much chilled, don't worry. Someone had to say the things he said.
True, there's no one more chilled on DTF than wchillml!
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:metal :metal
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I would like to see a Dream Theater episode on Maury Povich. Instead of who's my baby's daddy, they can have a Who's DTs New Drumma! with JP on the set.
"In the case of little Tommy Lang.........You are NOT THE DRUMMA!"
"In the case of little Mikey Mangini.....You ARE THE DRUMMA!
JP can then run crying into the back while Maury chases after him. JP will be laying in the floor sobbing as Maury tries to comfort him.
Throw in some trailer park hermie midgets and this one could be great!
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My life is ruined forever.
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I hope the announcement is US tour dates.
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I would like to see a Dream Theater episode on Maury Povich. Instead of who's my baby's daddy, they can have a Who's DTs New Drumma! with JP on the set.
"In the case of little Tommy Lang.........You are NOT THE DRUMMA!"
"In the case of little Mikey Mangini.....You ARE THE DRUMMA!
JP can then run crying into the back while Maury chases after him. JP will be laying in the floor sobbing as Maury tries to comfort him.
Throw in some trailer park hermie midgets and this one could be great!
Greatest thing ever.
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I hope the announcement is US tour dates.
Doubtful, but this is also my hope as well. Trying to book a vacation in August so it would be helpful to know when they'll be on the east coast.
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I hope the announcement is US tour dates.
Doubtful, but this is also my hope as well. Trying to book a vacation in August so it would be helpful to know when they'll be on the east coast.
But honey I'll be back in a few days. Mickey and Minnie will accompany you. :lol
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I hope the announcement is US tour dates.
Doubtful, but this is also my hope as well. Trying to book a vacation in August so it would be helpful to know when they'll be on the east coast.
But honey I'll be back in a few days. Mickey and Minnie will accompany you. :lol
I tried that for our April trip. Maiden is playing in Tampa! No f##king way..haha
Actually, we're not gonna end up going then anyway..
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At this point I think that Nick Mason is the drummer.
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I hope the announcement is US tour dates.
Doubtful, but this is also my hope as well. Trying to book a vacation in August so it would be helpful to know when they'll be on the east coast.
Well, considering they're still in Europe at least until the end of July, I doubt they'll hit the US before the last week of August.
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Pickles, the drummer. Doodly doo. Ding dong, doodly doodly doodly doo.
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At this point I think that Nick Mason is the drummer.
I don't know who that is, but it would be better than Nick Jonas. Is there a Nick Jonas?
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I hope the announcement is US tour dates.
Doubtful, but this is also my hope as well. Trying to book a vacation in August so it would be helpful to know when they'll be on the east coast.
Well, considering they're still in Europe at least until the end of July, I doubt they'll hit the US before the last week of August.
I hope not.. i'm going to europe in the last two weeks of august first week of september so i could miss their shows in florida if they start at the end of august.
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I hope the announcement is US tour dates.
Doubtful, but this is also my hope as well. Trying to book a vacation in August so it would be helpful to know when they'll be on the east coast.
Well, considering they're still in Europe at least until the end of July, I doubt they'll hit the US before the last week of August.
Well, in 2009, Europe ended on 7/20 and US started on 7/24.
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At this point I think that Nick Mason is the drummer.
I don't know who that is, but it would be better than Nick Jonas. Is there a Nick Jonas?
A world where a prog fan knows the Jonas Brothers but doesn't know who Nick Mason is is not a world I want to live in, goodbye everyone.
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At this point I think that Nick Mason is the drummer.
I don't know who that is, but it would be better than Nick Jonas. Is there a Nick Jonas?
Pink Floyd
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At this point I think that Nick Mason is the drummer.
I don't know who that is, but it would be better than Nick Jonas. Is there a Nick Jonas?
A world where a prog fan knows the Jonas Brothers but doesn't know who Nick Mason is is not a world I want to live in, goodbye everyone.
:lol
True though.
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I hope the announcement is US tour dates.
Doubtful, but this is also my hope as well. Trying to book a vacation in August so it would be helpful to know when they'll be on the east coast.
Well, considering they're still in Europe at least until the end of July, I doubt they'll hit the US before the last week of August.
Well, in 2009, Europe ended on 07/04 and US started on 7/24.
FTFY.
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At this point I think that Nick Mason is the drummer.
I don't know who that is, but it would be better than Nick Jonas. Is there a Nick Jonas?
A world where a prog fan knows the Jonas Brothers but doesn't know who Nick Mason is is not a world I want to live in, goodbye everyone.
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It could be anything at this point...new dates, tours, maybe Jordan pulled a muscle in his wrist or JM was honored at a local Starbucks for his years of patronage
honestly people just need to chill
all i can say is looking through this thread once the announcement is made its just going to be a piss-fest anyway because drummer so and so was picked over someone else
Then chill.
He's pretty much chilled, don't worry. Someone had to say the things he said.
I am as chill as chill can be..if that makes any sense. I just see alot of new posters (welcome) and I can only imagine the job the mods will have on their hands once the announcement is made. Bottom line is DT is going to do what they feel is best for them, not best for the fan base
Very true. Glad everyone is chill. :) I was certainly :chill today pressure washing out in the rain.
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What business would Roadrunner have in announcing who DTs new drummer is? It should have nothing to do with the record label. It's a band ordeal and should be addressed by the band.
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I'm starting to doubt that. It seems like every time Mike sighs or gasps for breath, there's a new story out that makes Dream Theater look good and get more publicity at Portnoy's expense sadly.
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Bah. That's just the "angle." Bad journalists write stories that feature heroes and villains. They've got to be consistent with who gets to go on the pedestal and who's left sitting on the naughty step, or the ongoing narrative won't make sense. Which doesn't preclude twists in the tale ("aha! MP was the good guy all along!"), but balance isn't to be expected from tabloids.
And Blabbermouth is, essentially, a music tabloid. Heck, possibly sub-tabloid - I wager that tabloids probably feature significantly more original content than BM. A lot of the Blabbermouth news is copy and pasted. Paste on a provocative headline, throw in a short blurb describing what an Opeth is, add a couple of summarised stories from a few weeks ago, and voila! Article.
Oh, and don't forget to capitalise all the nouns like it's a game of fucking POKEMON.
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I laughed at "what an Opeth is" :lol
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At this point I think that Nick Mason is the drummer.
I don't know who that is, but it would be better than Nick Jonas. Is there a Nick Jonas?
A world where a prog fan knows the Jonas Brothers but doesn't know who Nick Mason is is not a world I want to live in, goodbye everyone.
Hooray! I can stop crying every time you post your opinion in the Coheed thread! ;D
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At this point I think that Nick Mason is the drummer.
I don't know who that is, but it would be better than Nick Jonas. Is there a Nick Jonas?
Pink Floyd
Oh, I see why I'm a dunce now.
Then again, my apologies for not knowing every member of every good band by name.
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I'm starting to doubt that. It seems like every time Mike sighs or gasps for breath, there's a new story out that makes Dream Theater look good and get more publicity at Portnoy's expense sadly.
MP has publicly slated Blabbermouth in the past, I can't imagine they're his biggest fans.
And like Rob said, they are a music tabloid, and even that is being generous. They're all about drama and provocation - and right DT is popular and MP is easy to attack.
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Well I just think that a Roadrunner run tabloid using a every shred of news or non-news about a certain Roadrunner band in shameless attempts to garner them more exposure is more than coincidence.
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Well I just think that a Roadrunner run tabloid using a every shred of news or non-news about a certain Roadrunner band in shameless attempts to garner them more exposure is more than coincidence.
Roadrunner doesn't run it. that's the point.
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Yeah, they don't run it. They just host it. I'm sure they don't get involved at all :biggrin:
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I'm starting to doubt that. It seems like every time Mike sighs or gasps for breath, there's a new story out that makes Dream Theater look good and get more publicity at Portnoy's expense sadly.
DT receives their share of bad press on that site. If they were more vocal they would have the same as Portnoy. Most of the bad press are by fan comments anyways.
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Yeah, they don't run it. They just host it. I'm sure they don't get involved at all :biggrin:
i work on a major news site and we have many affiliates. they run and operate their own sites 100% free of our input. yes, on our domain.
i don't see why this is such an inconceivable notion.
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I could be dead wrong, but from the sparse info we have it seems like the drummer may not
have been present for any of the writting process. We'll see in due time. If so, his job will
be to come in and lay down tracks that the band will already have an idea how they want
to sound. Again...I COULD BE DEAD WRONG, but if he wasn't there, his role sounds more
like a hired gun than a full fledged member of the band.
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I feel like I care less about the new drummer and am more excited about the release of the new album. Simply put: I don't care about the drummer situation anymore.
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I feel like I care less about the new drummer and am more excited about the release of the new album. Simply put: I don't care about the drummer situation anymore.
Me too ;D
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I feel like I care less about the new drummer and am more excited about the release of the new album. Simply put: I don't care about the drummer situation anymore.
Aye, same.
Not to mention, we've discussed all the drummers mentioned in the poll to death - and back - and chances are it's probably one of them. So when Mike Mangini's finally announced we'll just go "ah! It was that one we've already discussed."
I'm exaggerating - people will be more vocal when it's confirmed; more worried about the things they don't like about the drummer and more buzzed about the things they do - but it's not something I'm especially looking forward to any more. They've got a drummer, it'll be great, where's the music?!
An eleventh Dream Theater album exists. Somewhere. It's all "on paper." Possibly demoed, even. That's where exciting things are happening.
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I feel like I care less about the new drummer and am more excited about the release of the new album. Simply put: I don't care about the drummer situation anymore.
Aye, same.
Not to mention, we've discussed all the drummers mentioned in the poll to death - and back - and chances are it's probably one of them. So when Mike Mangini's finally announced we'll just go "ah! It was that one we've already discussed."
I'm exaggerating - people will be more vocal when it's confirmed; more worried about the things they don't like about the drummer and more buzzed about the things they do - but it's not something I'm especially looking forward to any more. They've got a drummer, it'll be great, where's the music?!
An eleventh Dream Theater album exists. Somewhere. It's all "on paper." Possibly demoed, even. That's where exciting things are happening.
I hope it is someone we never or rarely discussed.
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Aye! That would be lovely. I'd be thrilled if I was surprised by the the announcement.
I've got a hunch we may not be so lucky, however. We've not rumbled it - looking at the poll the three-way split's fairly even - but we're probably poking the hedge in a fair few of the right places.
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IF the drummer wasn't present in the writing sessions then it would suggest that he is a temporary hired gun (IMO). Maybe the reason they haven't said anything about the drummer yet is because if they had, and he wasn't with them for the writing process, then people would easily find out. And they don't want people knowing that the drummer is temporary so that people will take the new album and the guy seriously.
So maybe their silence regarding the new drummer during the writing process might be a cover-up to hide the fact that the new drummer is just a temporary member? Just a thought!
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JP has specifically said they weren't looking for a temporary guy.
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JP has specifically said they weren't looking for a temporary guy.
Yeah I know, but my point is maybe they do intend to get a temporary guy, but they are telling the public the opposite so as to not lose momentum or whatever. Haha just pure speculation, probably nonsense!
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Why would they tell a lie such as this?
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Why would they tell a lie such as this?
I explained in my post. Anyway, as I said, it was just a thought and more than likely not the case!
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Maybe the plan changed. Maybe they hired a drummer who then had to pull out. Maybe their choice of drummer wasn't comfortable replacing Mike Portnoy on a 100% permanent basis, yet.
Doesn't mean JP's a liar. May just mean that stuff's come up.
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Maybe the plan changed. Maybe they hired a drummer who then had to pull out. Maybe their choice of drummer wasn't comfortable replacing Mike Portnoy on a 100% permanent basis, yet.
Doesn't mean JP's a liar. May just mean that stuff's come up.
That's most likely the case I'd say!
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But why would a drummer agree to audition only to pull out. I'm certain its gonna be someone no one expected.
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Maybe the plan changed. Maybe they hired a drummer who then had to pull out. Maybe their choice of drummer wasn't comfortable replacing Mike Portnoy on a 100% permanent basis, yet.
Doesn't mean JP's a liar. May just mean that stuff's come up.
I do want Portnoy to return to Dream Theater at some point, but the band should go with a new drummer for a couple of years with the guy being a real band member, and not just a temporary guy. If the plan has changed... Well, that kinda sucks, but the new album will still kick some ass. ;D
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Why would they hire a temporary drummer it doesnt make any sense to me. Are they waiting for MP? I dont think so, i cant imagine a band trying to write an album having allllll of their fan base talking about what they like and what dont, about their new member, thr drummer is with them, period.
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https://www.mikemangini.com/1mikemanginipage/biospage.htm
"Has performed or recorded with" - section has been updated
....,Dream Theater (whole band & dual drum w/Mike Portnoy),....
If I remember right, that page didn't say anything about dual drum w/Mike Portnoy before. Of course that might not mean anything, but I'd say that it is a strange addition...
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Well, there you go.
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Yeah, that Mangini thing was reported a while ago. And true. He did play with the whole band as a sort of duel-drum setup with Mike, IIRC.
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IF the drummer wasn't present in the writing sessions then it would suggest that he is a temporary hired gun (IMO).
It would suggest nothing of the sort. Whoever they chose may have been tied up with other engagements they had to finish first, but DT had the studio booked, so figured for this album they'll write mostly or entirely without him but bring him in fully for the next album. Or, like I suggested way back last year before there was any speculation of who might even be auditioning, they might just do that anyway to ease the transition. It would make sense.
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It would suggest nothing of the sort. Whoever they chose may have been tied up with other engagements they had to finish first, but DT had the studio booked, so figured for this album they'll write mostly or entirely without him but bring him in fully for the next album. Or, like I suggested way back last year before there was any speculation of who might even be auditioning, they might just do that anyway to ease the transition. It would make sense.
True! Many possibilities!
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I could see that. They wanted to reconnect, see what will occur. But then, they all jammed with the new drumer. So, they may write and see what drum lines he comes up with.
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Many possibilities!
Absolutely, which is what makes it quite exciting still, despite the fact that it's been dragging on for months! :lol
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https://www.mikemangini.com/1mikemanginipage/biospage.htm
"Has performed or recorded with" - section has been updated
....,Dream Theater (whole band & dual drum w/Mike Portnoy),....
If I remember right, that page didn't say anything about dual drum w/Mike Portnoy before. Of course that might not mean anything, but I'd say that it is a strange addition...
This was when he jumped up on stage in Boston durring the SDOIT tour. I was there. He did a duel drum solo with Mike. Mike had the mini drum set mixed into the whole drum set. It was very cool to see live.
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Many possibilities!
Absolutely, which is what makes it quite exciting still, despite the fact that it's been dragging on for months! :lol
politely disagree. no excitement here. been too long.
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Many possibilities!
Absolutely, which is what makes it quite exciting still, despite the fact that it's been dragging on for months! :lol
politely disagree. no excitement here. been too long.
Are you kidding me?!
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Haha...that's how people will feel when 2012 comes...
Its gonna be worth it because the others can shine.
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Hope it will be Lang or Minnemann.
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Many possibilities!
Absolutely, which is what makes it quite exciting still, despite the fact that it's been dragging on for months! :lol
politely disagree. no excitement here. been too long.
Are you kidding me?!
That's what happens when people get spoiled with the internet. The place where all information is leaked before it's meant to be revealed.
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Fingers crossed for Mangini, or any announcement, like most people I just want a new DT album.
Whoever the new drummer is, we will get used to their style etc. :)
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as much as i am looking forward to the new album we still might have a long time to wait for any announcement, I mean it took dragonforce nearly a year to sort out a new vocalist.....
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as much as i am looking forward to the new album we still might have a long time to wait for any announcement, I mean it took dragonforce nearly a year to sort out a new vocalist.....
Thing is, they actually took a long time to PICK the dude. DT picked him pretty quick, and it's the announcement that's taking long.
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wow it's march and we still don't know the drummer. I can't believe they are already announcing tour dates and we don't even know all the band members :lol
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Be careful with bosk's trap.
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Many possibilities!
Absolutely, which is what makes it quite exciting still, despite the fact that it's been dragging on for months! :lol
politely disagree. no excitement here. been too long.
Are you kidding me?!
That's what happens when people get spoiled with the internet. The place where all information is leaked before it's meant to be revealed.
not really. it honestly has just been too long.
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Well, a long time ago in the dinosaur age, you had to be a fan club member to know the latest, or buy a magazine and hope they gave an interview.
Why are you mad they answered a question in an interview a while back.
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LOL. I think MP can be taken off the table LOL.
From Portnoys FB page:
Neal Morse will be performing these special concerts with members of the original Testimony Band featuring Mike Portnoy!
Thursday May 19 - Nashville TN (venue tba)
Saturday May 21 - Mexico City (venue tba)
Monday May 23 - New York City - The Blender Theater at Gramercy
Tuesday May 24 - Springfield VA - JAXX
Thursday May 26 - San Francisco, CA - The Avalon in Santa Clara
www.bayarearockpromotions.com
Friday May 27 - Seattle, WA - Experience Music Project Theater
Saturday May 28 - Los Angeles CA - Whittier Theater in Whittier
https://www.calprog.com/
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LOL. I think MP can be taken off the table LOL.
MP was never on the table. Not even a little bit. Never.
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i know he hasnt. but some people still he was LOL>
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LOL. I think MP can be taken off the table LOL.
From Portnoys FB page:
Neal Morse will be performing these special concerts with members of the original Testimony Band featuring Mike Portnoy!
Thursday May 19 - Nashville TN (venue tba)
Saturday May 21 - Mexico City (venue tba)
Monday May 23 - New York City - The Blender Theater at Gramercy
Tuesday May 24 - Springfield VA - JAXX
Thursday May 26 - San Francisco, CA - The Avalon in Santa Clara
www.bayarearockpromotions.com
Friday May 27 - Seattle, WA - Experience Music Project Theater
Saturday May 28 - Los Angeles CA - Whittier Theater in Whittier
https://www.calprog.com/
does this mean the new Neal Morse album will be out around May? (new topic?)
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LOL. I think MP can be taken off the table LOL.
From Portnoys FB page:
Neal Morse will be performing these special concerts with members of the original Testimony Band featuring Mike Portnoy!
Thursday May 19 - Nashville TN (venue tba)
Saturday May 21 - Mexico City (venue tba)
Monday May 23 - New York City - The Blender Theater at Gramercy
Tuesday May 24 - Springfield VA - JAXX
Thursday May 26 - San Francisco, CA - The Avalon in Santa Clara
www.bayarearockpromotions.com
Friday May 27 - Seattle, WA - Experience Music Project Theater
Saturday May 28 - Los Angeles CA - Whittier Theater in Whittier
https://www.calprog.com/
Mmmmm...Seattle...
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Marco Minnemann is apparently recording with Guthrie Govan in Chicago right now.
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Marco Minnemann is apparently recording with Guthrie Govan in Chicago right now.
:o
I is excite.
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Marco Minnemann is apparently recording with Guthrie Govan in Chicago right now.
Wait...the guy from GPS (former Asia spin-off with Jay Schellen and John Payne)?! Sweet... sounds like I'll have to tune into that whenever it comes out. Govan is pretty damn good from the GPS album (which I've heard they're recording a second album and releasing it this year!)
-Marc.
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Put me down as one of the people who had dreams about the new drummer
They were going to announce it on a stage on a street near my house, which I found on the way home. I was going to be there only I wasn't wearing pants; didn't get to see the announcement but apparently it was some dude with a northern European name who apparently they were considering as Kevin Moore's replacement (???)
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I had a dream a few months ago it was minnemann lol. Can't remember it too well but I just remember they announced it was him. Pretty boring dream.
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as much as i am looking forward to the new album we still might have a long time to wait for any announcement, I mean it took dragonforce nearly a year to sort out a new vocalist.....
If it's the same situation as DragonForce they should take a year as well, so that the new drummer is better than Mike, just as Marc is better than ZP :tup
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Had a dream that Portnoy won the rights for the DT name and made a Dream Theater album all by himself (playing all the instruments etc.,)
wouldfeelprettybadman.jpg
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So that's like six or seven of us that have had dreams now?
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Put me down as one of the people who had dreams about the new drummer
They were going to announce it on a stage on a street near my house, which I found on the way home. I was going to be there only I wasn't wearing pants; didn't get to see the announcement but apparently it was some dude with a northern European name who apparently they were considering as Kevin Moore's replacement (???)
Haha, i had a dream they announced it at my school, and Thomas Lang was the chosen one.. this was months ago :P
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Marco Minnemann is apparently recording with Guthrie Govan in Chicago right now.
Holy crap. I just got into Erotic Cakes and absolutely loved the album. I don't care if Minnemann is or isn't the new drummer anymore :lol I'm glad he's drumming in such an amazing project.
I wouldn't mind having him drum for DT, though. :neverusethis:
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I had a dream that Ginger Fish from Marilyn Manson (their drummer) left the band to join DT. Scary part is that I woke up to find out he actually did leave the band.
But the new drummer is definitely not Ginger Fish. lol.
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Assuming the tracking starts soon, or has already started, DT always laid down drums first...
There will have to be a drummer entering and leaving the studio. I would assume that we
will know soon, because it will be impossible to keep it secret much longer. Hopefully days.
And, tomorrow marks 6 months since MP's heartbreaking press release. Hard to believe
6 frickin' months have already passed.
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Assuming the tracking starts soon, or has already started, DT always laid down drums first...
There will have to be a drummer entering and leaving the studio. I would assume that we
will know soon, because it will be impossible to keep it secret much longer. Hopefully days.
And, tomorrow marks 6 months since MP's heartbreaking press release. Hard to believe
6 frickin' months have already passed.
but how long have we been saying they can't keep it secret much longer? About 100 pages so far.
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I remember having a dream about two nights ago, I was using my computer checking out some guitar pro tabs and there was this one of a Dream Theater song I had never heard before, I just remember there was a really cool keyboard solo, then suddenly it entered a marker called "Power Metal Tapping Unison" and there was the sickest tapping unison ever by Rudess and JP. Since I had not heard that before, I assumed that's from the new album, but didn't mind about looking at the song's name :facepalm: But I'm in the group of those that dreamed about the new album :lol
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everyone's having DT drummer-related dreams? that must mean something. they're clearly trying to access our minds and give us information so we decipher it out.
I've heard of mind-boggling iPad apps, so Jordan might have something to do with this.
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getting into our dreams is just another marketing ploy!
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Then again, they dont call 'em Dream Theater for nuthin' :yarr
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:lol
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they cant keep it a secret for much longer :neverusethis:
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Assuming the tracking starts soon, or has already started, DT always laid down drums first...
AFAIK, they have always laid down "scratch" drum tracks first, to which they then recorded the main musical parts, and then MP came in and recorded "finished" drum tracks. If they still do that, they can actually use a drum machine for the scratch tracks, and then the new drummer can come in and lay down his own drum tracks.
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Assuming the tracking starts soon, or has already started, DT always laid down drums first...
AFAIK, they have always laid down "scratch" drum tracks first, to which they then recorded the main musical parts, and then MP came in and recorded "finished" drum tracks. If they still do that, they can actually use a drum machine for the scratch tracks, and then the new drummer can come in and lay down his own drum tracks.
that's quite odd. i've never heard of a band ever doing it that way. i'm pretty sure MP recorded his main parts with scratch guitars/keys, and then they piled everything else on. could be mistaken though.
where did you hear this?
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Assuming the tracking starts soon, or has already started, DT always laid down drums first...
AFAIK, they have always laid down "scratch" drum tracks first, to which they then recorded the main musical parts, and then MP came in and recorded "finished" drum tracks. If they still do that, they can actually use a drum machine for the scratch tracks, and then the new drummer can come in and lay down his own drum tracks.
Usually it's the opposite. Drums are more often than not, the first thing to be finished. Sometimes the drummer records to click and scratch guitar/keys, and sometimes the whole band jams it out together until the drums are finished and then the other guys re-record everything professionally.
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Actually, there was a feature in Guitar Center's quarterly where they interviewed Peart and he was saying he prefers do record his drums last as well because he wants to know exactly where the vocalist's big florishes and most emotional lines are so he can compliment those parts with his drumming.
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Neil's not the most conventional drummer though
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Actually, there was a feature in Guitar Center's quarterly where they interviewed Peart and he was saying he prefers do record his drums last as well because he wants to know exactly where the vocalist's big florishes and most emotional lines are so he can compliment those parts with his drumming.
Yea, I remember hearing that Neil writes the vocals himself because he can't imagine the drummer not doing it. He bases a lot of his drumming around the vocals, but DT does not do that. However it might be a better idea, that way vocals might be given a slightly more important part.
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Yes, both of the previous two posts raise valid points. I'm just saying that, off the top of my head, I know of at least one example in a solid band where they don't follow the "traditional" pattern of recording final drum parts first before all other instruments and vocals. It may seem odd to do it any other way, but there is certainly precedent for deviating, so I see no reason why DT couldn't do so if they wanted to.
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Yes, both of the previous two posts raise valid points. I'm just saying that, off the top of my head, I know of at least one example in a solid band where they don't follow the "traditional" pattern of recording final drum parts first before all other instruments and vocals. It may seem odd to do it any other way, but there is certainly precedent for deviating, so I see no reason why DT couldn't do so if they wanted to.
They very well could. I wonder if it's covered in any of their "in the studio" videos. :)
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You mean whether it has been covered in past videos, or whether it will be in future ones?
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Maybe both? Although I don't remember anything like it with the SC DVD.
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You mean whether it has been covered in past videos, or whether it will be in future ones?
Past ones. Like if they showed which instrument was recorded first.
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Ummm....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater#The_Departure_of_Mike_Portnoy_and_the_next_album
Michael Sweeney anyone?
EDIT: It's gone now.
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Ummm....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater#The_Departure_of_Mike_Portnoy_and_the_next_album
Michael Sweeney anyone?
i need confirmation!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
that facebook link that's posted doesnt work either...
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Ummm....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater#The_Departure_of_Mike_Portnoy_and_the_next_album
Michael Sweeney anyone?
i need confirmation!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
but you're not mad are you
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There's nothing on their website, Facebook, or anything. I'm probably stating the obvious here, but it's most likely fake.
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Ummm....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater#The_Departure_of_Mike_Portnoy_and_the_next_album
Michael Sweeney anyone?
i need confirmation!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
but you're not mad are you
no, i just couldnt figure out an appropriate emoticon :P
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It was just taken down. Probably some stupid prank from a fan....
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one of the things i hate about Wikipedia, is the fact that stuff is updated all the time but never revamped later on. DT's bio from the last few years seems weird to read. The older stuff has been all cataloged and documented well before WP existed, but then it eventually looks like a news reel, everything in present tense (even though it could be talking about something that happened in 2004 for example)
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Why Charlie Sheen isn't #Winning! this poll?
:icy:
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one of the things i hate about Wikipedia, is the fact that stuff is updated all the time but never revamped later on. DT's bio from the last few years seems weird to read. The older stuff has been all cataloged and documented well before WP existed, but then it eventually looks like a news reel, everything in present tense (even though it could be talking about something that happened in 2004 for example)
i shit on eggs.
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one of the things i hate about Wikipedia, is the fact that stuff is updated all the time but never revamped later on. DT's bio from the last few years seems weird to read. The older stuff has been all cataloged and documented well before WP existed, but then it eventually looks like a news reel, everything in present tense (even though it could be talking about something that happened in 2004 for example)
Right, I fixed some articles up when I edited there daily, but it's difficult to get people to understand that they should not be writing down every single tiny little fact about them. Just a broad overview... that's part of the reason I started Ytse Times I guess, it is almost every detail about them.
And never go to WP looking for news, if it's true it should be cited to a reliable source that had it first anyway.
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And never go to WP looking for news, if it's true it should be cited to a reliable source that had it first anyway.
Yes, absolutely. Not to derail this, but an excellent example was when Wikipedia reported that Gabrielle Giffords was dead.
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And never go to WP looking for news, if it's true it should be cited to a reliable source that had it first anyway.
Yes, absolutely. Not to derail this, but an excellent example was when Wikipedia reported that Gabrielle Giffords was dead.
Not to go further off topic, but I just feel this needs to be said. The problem is that wikipedia doesn't "report" anything. People who have registered an account there do. They don't have a staff who report news. So even saying the phrase "wikipedia reports..." is not really accurate. They aren't a news source at all.
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And never go to WP looking for news, if it's true it should be cited to a reliable source that had it first anyway.
Yes, absolutely. Not to derail this, but an excellent example was when Wikipedia reported that Gabrielle Giffords was dead.
Not to go further off topic, but I just feel this needs to be said. The problem is that wikipedia doesn't "report" anything. People who have registered an account there do. They don't have a staff who report news. So even saying the phrase "wikipedia reports..." is not really accurate. They aren't a news source at all.
Yes, and you do not have to register an account to edit. All you do is click edit link near article, edit it, then save. It gets posted immediately.
I have deleted/changed some nonsense in the past.
EDIT: So to go back on to topic, this is why I do not place bets on the new drummer via Wikipedia.
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And never go to WP looking for news, if it's true it should be cited to a reliable source that had it first anyway.
Yes, absolutely. Not to derail this, but an excellent example was when Wikipedia reported that Gabrielle Giffords was dead.
Not to go further off topic, but I just feel this needs to be said. The problem is that wikipedia doesn't "report" anything. People who have registered an account there do. They don't have a staff who report news. So even saying the phrase "wikipedia reports..." is not really accurate. They aren't a news source at all.
Not to further derail this tangent, but yes, I know. I just couldn't think of a better word than "report." Said? Listed" Described?
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If its Sweeney I gotta say Id be very pumped..
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Wow, six months already...
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yeah! Six months. Now that's what I like to call art :metal
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Who is Michael Sweeney?
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I looked at the profile that was posted on WP. It was just some random teenager.
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At this point; who else is pretty sure they haven't made their pick yet?
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Even though I'm sure it's Mike Mangini, I'm sticking with my original choice of Thomas Lang.
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Even though I'm sure it's Mike Mangini, I'm sticking with my original choice of Thomas Lang.
This. But i would be happy with either option :metal
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Just read a press release at B-mouth that Into Eternity announced a new drummer and not a single mention of
what happened with Steve Bolognese (I may have missed earlier info on the guy leaving or being fired...not sure)
so I'm just throwin' it into the mix just because there was no mention of Steve. I'm sure it's nothing
but this thread is all speculation anyhoo...
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Someone said here that DT won't reveal the new drummer's name until the release of the new album to avoid prejudice to reduce sales. That's scarily logic. Even when JLB said "our new drummer is gonna blow your minds", if it's Mangini, after all the rejection around here, it's very posible, they've chickened out and decide to shut up until the record is out in the streets for us to check it out more objectively.
If this happen, then I think we probably got a rat indahouse...
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At this point; who else is pretty sure they haven't made their pick yet?
I don't think anyone thinks that.
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If this happen, then I think we probably got a rat indahouse...
If this were true, I would be honored than anything to have one of the DT guys snooping here. Pretty cool.
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If this happen, then I think we probably got a rat indahouse...
If this were true, I would be honored than anything to have one of the DT guys snooping here. Pretty cool.
JLB lurks.
He knows.
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I know it appears to run contrary to some recent events, but I actually don't think he really does.
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I know it appears to run contrary to some recent events, but I actually don't think he really does.
How do explain "the weather" thing?
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I know it appears to run contrary to some recent events, but I actually don't think he really does.
How do explain "the weather" thing?
and the HAIR?
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Yeah I'd say it's probable (but not definite) that he checks in here on occasion.
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Hmmm, I think it's certain that he is. "I was going to say, I can't comment on the hair unless I see it...;-)))" In response to the hair tweet. Plus the weather thing.
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Yeah, James was pretty obvious in his hints.
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Oh man, now I've had a dream about the new drummer... in a way. I dreamt that I was watching the news and the market watch came on and I saw that DTF.org had skyrocketed in price, which I took as an indication that the new drummer announcement must have happened. :lol
:facepalm:
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Your avatar is still extraordinary.
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Yeah I'd say it's probable (but not definite) that he checks in here on occasion.
He might, but I doubt it. But I'm not convinced regarding the whole thing with the tweets. For one thing, a bunch of the supposed tweets that were quoted here do not show up on James' Twitter, which likely means they're fake. So for the few things that he actually did tweet, I think it's more likely someone was feeding him the information. I could be wrong, but that's what I've been led to believe from my sources.
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Nope, they're definitely there. Not sure why you can't see them.
https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/35800569297903616
https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/38300764254380032
https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/38397271192256512
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I think we have some pretty conclusive evidence that he has been to this forum. And why wouldn't he? If I were in a band that had forums dedicated to them, you better believe I'd be stopping in to see how insane my fans were ;D
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The reason I buy the weather think is because it's got no other meaning that I can see. It's completely out of context for anything.
Also, it makes me famous. :hat
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Someone said here that DT won't reveal the new drummer's name until the release of the new album to avoid prejudice to reduce sales. That's scarily logic. Even when JLB said "our new drummer is gonna blow your minds", if it's Mangini, after all the rejection around here, it's very posible, they've chickened out and decide to shut up until the record is out in the streets for us to check it out more objectively.
It'd be even better if they release the album and not the name of the drummer :D Or maybe make a contest out of it: listen to the album and tell us who the drummer is :p
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Nope, they're definitely there. Not sure why you can't see them.
https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/35800569297903616
https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/38300764254380032
https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/38397271192256512
Yeah and that final one was in response to Will tweeting "@piratecjs So it's pretty clear you lurk DTF. Finally we got some good hair in the forum"
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In that case the poor guy has been reading about us debating whether he reads the stuff over here for the past however many posts!
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You know its funny the negativity surrounding the probable announcement of Mike Mangini.
Maybe its because there's nothing new to this i.e. he's played with JLB so we kind of know what to expect.
Or maybe, despite all his technical ability.......and he is clearly one of the best technical drummers around.......he's not as flamboyant, he tends to sit and groove in the song.
He should actually be the perfect choice when you look at it but i'm still disappointed and I don't know why !
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Someone said here that DT won't reveal the new drummer's name until the release of the new album to avoid prejudice to reduce sales. That's scarily logic. Even when JLB said "our new drummer is gonna blow your minds", if it's Mangini, after all the rejection around here, it's very posible, they've chickened out and decide to shut up until the record is out in the streets for us to check it out more objectively.
It'd be even better if they release the album and not the name of the drummer :D Or maybe make a contest out of it: listen to the album and tell us who the drummer is :p
What I think would be fun is if they did like the last release and provided us some covers first. In that it would allow the new drummer to pick one of his favorite tunes to cover. Then throw it out to the fans as both an introduction and a great way to reconnect with the fans after this ordeal.
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It would be an interesting statistic to track the number of posts per day in this thread over time. I don't know, but I'm checking this thread and forum less and less. Now that they're tracking the album and they still haven't announced it, it seems they're not going to for a long while.
rumborak
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I've noticed that they've been very quiet as of late, haven't had a JR studio pic for a while. Nothing anywhere about drummers, or even rumors.
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This thread has become a little quiet as well. It's like we have resigned ourselves. All the necessary discussion and speculation has already taken place and it appears don't have much left to say :lol
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Hmmmm :corn
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THOMAS LANG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
just thought I would say it.
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Calm before the storm? Or maybe there's not much to say when most of the evidence so far points to Mike Mangini.
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"Most of the the evidence" has been pointing to all sorts of people in the last few months. Hell, maybe tomorrow we'll all think the new drummer is Ringo.
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That's a little extreme.
I just keep thinking "Shouldn't it have been obvious when Mangini left his teaching position?"
I'm still hoping for Lang.
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I dread the day when Mangini will be announced.
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meh, could be worse.
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Nope, they're definitely there. Not sure why you can't see them.
https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/35800569297903616
https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/38300764254380032
https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/38397271192256512
Yeah and that final one was in response to Will tweeting "@piratecjs So it's pretty clear you lurk DTF. Finally we got some good hair in the forum"
This is why I think he's a lurker :metal
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You know its funny the negativity surrounding the probable announcement of Mike Mangini.
Maybe its because there's nothing new to this i.e. he's played with JLB so we kind of know what to expect.
Or maybe, despite all his technical ability.......and he is clearly one of the best technical drummers around.......he's not as flamboyant, he tends to sit and groove in the song.
He should actually be the perfect choice when you look at it but i'm still disappointed and I don't know why !
Maybe because deep down inside you know he is not the perfect choice. To me the prefect choice is Minnemann. He can play any style he wants, he does it amazingly good, he is a really cool guy, and he doesn't just rely on his technical skills but tries to play in a more melodic way.
I said this before and haven't changed my mind, having Mangini replace Portnoy is like Yngwie replacing JP, great technical skills, lacks heart.
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Maybe because deep down inside you know he is not the perfect choice.
Here's something worth considering.
"Deep down inside," you know absolutely nothing about the new drummer. Even when it is announced, you will still know nothing about whether the right choice was made or not. Only the guys will know and for us only time will tell.
That's what I'm hearing, "deep down inside" myself :biggrin:
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Maybe because deep down inside you know he is not the perfect choice.
Here's something worth considering.
"Deep down inside," you know absolutely nothing about the new drummer. Even when it is announced, you will still know nothing about whether the right choice was made or not. Only the guys will know and for us only time will tell.
That's what I'm hearing, "deep down inside" myself :biggrin:
LOL ^ This
I don't know how anyone who has nothing to do with DT or the new drummer can say who is or isn't the right choice for DT. Only they know.
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Aquiles Priester.
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Reading peoples post in here makes me feel sane. Thank you.
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Reading peoples post in here makes me feel sane. Thank you.
:lol
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Reading peoples post in here makes me feel sane. Thank you.
You are welcome :tup
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You know its funny the negativity surrounding the probable announcement of Mike Mangini.
Maybe its because there's nothing new to this i.e. he's played with JLB so we kind of know what to expect.
Or maybe, despite all his technical ability.......and he is clearly one of the best technical drummers around.......he's not as flamboyant, he tends to sit and groove in the song.
He should actually be the perfect choice when you look at it but i'm still disappointed and I don't know why !
Maybe because deep down inside you know he is not the perfect choice. To me the prefect choice is Minnemann. He can play any style he wants, he does it amazingly good, he is a really cool guy, and he doesn't just rely on his technical skills but tries to play in a more melodic way.
I said this before and haven't changed my mind, having Mangini replace Portnoy is like Yngwie replacing JP, great technical skills, lacks heart.
Not the perfect choice for YOU? What are you saying? This is not about ANY of YOU. This is about the band and THEIR choice. And better yet, they are happy with their choice.
This thread has been lambasted by comments that are very self-centered.
Is it not the reason we are fans of Dream Theater is because of the music they play? And if that is the case, why would it matter who the drummer is so long as they compose and play great music?
Seriously, this thread has become :tdwn
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Was it ever :tup ?
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God forbid people post their opinion of the drummer they want to hear, in a speculation thread. No ones saying they will suddenly hate the band if the band doesn't pick their choice. If its not cool to post who our preference is, then what is the point of this thread again?
After 117 pages there's not much else to say, sorry.
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Was it ever :tup ?
I liked the first post. Get the feeling it was written by someone really handsome and clever. It just has that "handsome" vibe.
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People, not necessarily on DTF, seem to be getting pissed off that it's taking so long. I never knew there was a pre-determined timeframe of when a band had to replace a member and then announce them.
Personally, I'm just glad DT is still around, but I think it reflects worse on RR than the guys themselves; RR haven't exactly done a great job as of late. Even if they can't say who it is, they could give some reason for why it's taken so long.
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People, not necessarily on DTF, seem to be getting pissed off that it's taking so long. I never knew there was a pre-determined timeframe of when a band had to replace a member and then announce them.
Personally, I'm just glad DT is still around, but I think it reflects worse on RR than the guys themselves; RR haven't exactly done a great job as of late. Even if they can't say who it is, they could give some reason for why it's taken so long.
Still, at least they're not Atlantic.
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God forbid people post their opinion of the drummer they want to hear, in a speculation thread. No ones saying they will suddenly hate the band if the band doesn't pick their choice. If its not cool to post who our preference is, then what is the point of this thread again?
After 117 pages there's not much else to say, sorry.
Problem is some people have stated if its drummer A rather than drummer B, than they will stop listening to the band which to me is ridiculous considering we have not heard any of the album yet. Bottom line is the band will do what they think is best for the band, not the fanbase
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Was it ever :tup ?
I liked the first post. Get the feeling it was written by someone really handsome and clever. It just has that "handsome" vibe.
You're such a tease. :D
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You know its funny the negativity surrounding the probable announcement of Mike Mangini.
Maybe its because there's nothing new to this i.e. he's played with JLB so we kind of know what to expect.
Or maybe, despite all his technical ability.......and he is clearly one of the best technical drummers around.......he's not as flamboyant, he tends to sit and groove in the song.
He should actually be the perfect choice when you look at it but i'm still disappointed and I don't know why !
Maybe because deep down inside you know he is not the perfect choice. To me the prefect choice is Minnemann. He can play any style he wants, he does it amazingly good, he is a really cool guy, and he doesn't just rely on his technical skills but tries to play in a more melodic way.
I said this before and haven't changed my mind, having Mangini replace Portnoy is like Yngwie replacing JP, great technical skills, lacks heart.
Not the perfect choice for YOU? What are you saying? This is not about ANY of YOU. This is about the band and THEIR choice. And better yet, they are happy with their choice.
This thread has been lambasted by comments that are very self-centered.
Is it not the reason we are fans of Dream Theater is because of the music they play? And if that is the case, why would it matter who the drummer is so long as they compose and play great music?
Seriously, this thread has become :tdwn
This remind me the Iron Maiden vocalist thing. All fans thought they will find the best singer for the band, blah, blah, blah; and they auditioned great ones like Doogie White, Damian Wilson and André Matos along with others, but instead of that Steve Harris choose his personal favourite Blaze Bailey and fucked the band and the fans. Ultimately, after the lousy Virtual XI (eleven... OMG) he ended up sucking Bruce's Dick... inson to get him back on the band.
Imagine DT introducing, I don't know... Tommy Lee i.e. They can say he rocks, he´s a showman, he fucked Pamela, whatever. We´re all going to be dissapointed and the band won't sound like they use to.
So we can especulate all that we want. We´re here because we´re die-hard fans. The "Rat" knows...
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Blaze was a fine choice that got hosed by fans, and the problems with Virtual XI had nothing to do with Blaze.
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I just thought of something - Since DT have finished writing the new record and now they're tracking it, maybe they're planning announcing the new drummer along with a teaser of the new stuff and a new pic of the band.....just a thought.
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People, not necessarily on DTF, seem to be getting pissed off that it's taking so long. I never knew there was a pre-determined timeframe of when a band had to replace a member and then announce them.
Personally, I'm just glad DT is still around, but I think it reflects worse on RR than the guys themselves; RR haven't exactly done a great job as of late. Even if they can't say who it is, they could give some reason for why it's taken so long.
The problem is that we have been given information about the auditions and we have been confirmed that someone has been chosen. It's just the announcement that's left, so I think that's harder to digest than if we didn't know anything or if we thought they're still working on the decision.
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the announcement happen on April 1st and everyone will think their choice is a joke. ;)
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I just thought of something - Since DT have finished writing the new record and now they're tracking it, maybe they're planning announcing the new drummer along with a teaser of the new stuff and a new pic of the band.....just a thought.
Yeah, it will be announced in the press release. I have thought this for a while.
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I know that Mangini's playing would improve a lot in DT, but just imagine where the music would go if Lang or Minnemann where the one's improving their playing whith DT?
i mean...
Tin
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"I gotta fever"....and the only prescription is.... a new drummer."
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Hey!!! Announcements gotta be very soon, because I guessed Pg. 119...... :yarr
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The band will be announcing a new drummer soon. Watch this space for more updates.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Hard-At-Work-On-New-Album--22599.aspx
:metal
:biggrin:
:corn
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OK, I figured out why they haven't announced the new drummer yet. It's because this thread is still open.
Maybe if I lock it, they will go ahead and announce it.
Is it worth a shot?
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Nope. Just wishful thinking on your part. ;)
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OK, I figured out why they haven't announced the new drummer yet. It's because this thread is still open.
Maybe if I lock it, they will go ahead and announce it.
Is it worth a shot?
You'd probably have to shut down all of DTF, a new thread will open the second it's announced.
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The band will be announcing a new drummer soon. Watch this space for more updates.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Hard-At-Work-On-New-Album--22599.aspx
Hah, I was like, 'Why the hell would they publish a press release at 11pm on a Friday night?' and then I :facepalm:
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You'd probably have to shut down all of DTF
There are days that this doesn't seem like all that bad of an idea.
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Yeah, it sucked.
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You'd probably have to shut down all of DTF
There are days that this doesn't seem like all that bad of an idea.
Hef you have to understand, is getting the drummers name worth not being able to talk to me? I thought you valued our friendship more.
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The band will be announcing a new drummer soon. Watch this space for more updates.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Hard-At-Work-On-New-Album--22599.aspx
Hah, I was like, 'Why the hell would they publish a press release at 11pm on a Friday night?' and then I :facepalm:
Ha haaa! Sorry bout that. ;)
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The band will be announcing a new drummer soon. Watch this space for more updates.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Hard-At-Work-On-New-Album--22599.aspx
Hah, I was like, 'Why the hell would they publish a press release at 11pm on a Friday night?' and then I :facepalm:
Ha haaa! Sorry bout that. ;)
It was more directed at them for saying something like that.
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The band will be announcing a new drummer soon. Watch this space for more updates.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Hard-At-Work-On-New-Album--22599.aspx
Hah, I was like, 'Why the hell would they publish a press release at 11pm on a Friday night?' and then I :facepalm:
Ha haaa! Sorry bout that. ;)
It was more directed at them for saying something like that.
all good
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You'd probably have to shut down all of DTF
There are days that this doesn't seem like all that bad of an idea.
Hef you have to understand, is getting the drummers name worth not being able to talk to me? I thought you valued our friendship more.
Sorry, dude.
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when you accept that it will never be announced, you get more excited.
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they'll never announce the name, will not include the name to album credits and they'll hire NDV for tour :corn
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NDV would've been cool...
Tin
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I was thinking about this, and while I'm eager to learn the identity of the drummer, it occurred to me that since I don't really know any of the candidates, who it actually is doesn't really matter to me. It will basically just be a name until I hear some new Dream Theater music. I'm certain that whoever they choose will be at a high level of technicality and creativity and whatever else, and since I have no real attachment to any of the candidates, I don't have a strong preference one way or another.
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I was thinking about this, and while I'm eager to learn the identity of the drummer, it occurred to me that since I don't really know any of the candidates, who it actually is doesn't really matter to me. It will basically just be a name until I hear some new Dream Theater music. I'm certain that whoever they choose will be at a high level of technicality and creativity and whatever else, and since I have no real attachment to any of the candidates, I don't have a strong preference one way or another.
This is pretty much how I'm thinking these days as well.
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on a different note but on the same vein, i am a drummer, and know most of the candidates pretty well.
it's kinda funny to me how drastically different people think the drums will be if it was minneman rather than mangini. long story short, DT's music is so technical that there is only so many ways you can navigate odd time signatures and apply permutations of those meters.
whether you like them or not, or whether you even know who they are or not, the names on the list are definitely some of the the best in the business and will get the job done well. Whoever it is, I am confident that the drummer they picked, even if it is Mangini, will fit well.
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It's not just about how the new drummer will play the already existing DT music, though. It's about how they approach NEW music. Will it have a Jazz/ Fusion feel, a metal feel, a rock feel.... etc. Then, there's the topic of dynamics. Will the new drummer play heavy or have a lighter touch.... etc.
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It's not just about how the new drummer will play the already existing DT music, though. It's about how they approach NEW music. Will it have a Jazz/ Fusion feel, a metal feel, a rock feel.... etc. Then, there's the topic of dynamics. Will the new drummer play heavy or have a lighter touch.... etc.
i'm not one to argue, but in this case i must.
first off, I can tell you're not a drummer, bc you aren't speaking like one. Things like Jazz/ Fusion feel, a metal feel, a rock feel.... etc.
further let me know you don't know much about drumming. Here's why.
Things like Jazz/ Fusion feel, a metal feel, a rock feel.... etc.
are taken for granted. As I said before, the list that RobWebster posted contain some of the best drummers in the world. And I say this a drummer who has been around for a while. Small things like "a metal feel, a rock feel" are irrelevant, because with how complex DT's music is, there is no certain type of feel, there is only navigating the very complex passages with adding their own flair. Guys like Mangini and Minnemann are so used to playing odd time signatures that they can do that in their sleep. So the part about getting being able to do it properly is thrown out of the window, because they can. But being able to do it without sounding like Portnoy (because they are probably listening to DT recordings nonstop) will be how they are defined.
Next on to Then, there's the topic of dynamics. Will the new drummer play heavy or have a lighter touch.... etc.
Again, dynamic are important, but not as much as you will think. The music that Petrucci, Rudess, Labrie and Myung write will dictate the dynamics. All decent drummers operate under one rule, and that's to make the music they are playing to sound as good a possible, so dynamics is determined, in the most part, by what the other members are playing.
No matter who is picked will be good, because DT know what is up.
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Seening Mangini live the guy can morph into different styles when it comes to different bands he's playing in which, to me, is a big plus for a band like DT who plays different styles.
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first off, I can tell you're not a drummer, bc you aren't speaking like one.
You're right that I'm not a drummer. I'm a musician and I think like one of "those" types.... you know.... like a musician would think? And, not just like a drummer would think?
....further let me know you don't know much about drumming. Here's why.
I don't need to be an expert on playing drums to discuss the things that I mentioned. In fact, I can turn your own argument around on you and say: "You don't know know a lot about being a MUSICIAN because....", but I wouldn't do that because it's condescending.
Small things like "a metal feel, a rock feel" are irrelevant, because with how complex DT's music is, there is no certain type of feel, there is only navigating the very complex passages with adding their own flair.
Wow. That's a really, really, really strange way to look at music. The feel that a drummer gives a song is a "small thing" and "irrelevant"? Oh. Okay. And, apparently to you, ALL of DT's music is, "very complex passages" that a, "drummer must navigate." You are aware that DT doesn't only play ridiculously complicated music, right?
Guys like Mangini and Minnemann are so used to playing odd time signatures that they can do that in their sleep. So the part about getting being able to do it properly is thrown out of the window, because they can. But being able to do it without sounding like Portnoy (because they are probably listening to DT recordings nonstop) will be how they are defined.
What are you talking about here? Who was discussing whether either of the drummers you mentioned, "can properly play odd time signatures"? I didn't mention anything having to do with technique/ time signatures and you're replying to my post as if I had.
Again, dynamic are important, but not as much as you will think. The music that Petrucci, Rudess, Labrie and Myung write will dictate the dynamics. All decent drummers operate under one rule, and that's to make the music they are playing to sound as good a possible, so dynamics is determined, in the most part, by what the other members are playing.
No, you misunderstood me. What I was getting at is this - will the new drummer be ABLE to play dynamically. That is, if they're playing something really atmospheric, will the new drummer be able to dynmically compliment what the other guys are doing? That's one thing I always liked about MP - the fact that he basically always knew when to play heavy or play softly or use a lot of cymbals, etc.
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epic fail at the attempted quote before you edited it.
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epic fail at the attempted quote before you edited it.
Okay. You're a baby. Nighty night.
I have made my points, you've made yours. No need to interact with each other anymore. K?
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ight.
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So. How about that new drummer, eh?
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I hear he's a pretty cool guy or something.
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respek.
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OK, I figured out why they haven't announced the new drummer yet. It's because this thread is still open.
Maybe if I lock it, they will go ahead and announce it.
Is it worth a shot?
Maybe. I mean, my GODS, this thread is at well over a hundred pages and has basically degenerated into "my choice for the drummer is better then yooooouuuurrrrrs :P". We have already discussed all the likely candidates, so unless DT somehow manages to get some amazing drummer from some very unlikely source; like Yoshiki from X Japan, or someone else of comparable talent, but equally improbable for a variety of reasons; I think we have said all that can be said on this topic until the actual announcement is made.
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I agree...besides they're bound to announce it by at least the end of the month
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I agree...besides they're bound to announce it by at least the end of the month
Right, but WHICH month?!
:rollin
-Marc.
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I agree...besides they're bound to announce it by at least the end of the month
At this point... I don't know.
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This thread will be eternal.
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This thread will be eternal.
Unless the internet was to turn off magically
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Quite frankly it hardly even matters to me when they announce the drummer. I'm more anxious to hear the new record.
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I don't think they should announce it soon, interest is at an all time low. It will spike up again a few months before the album comes out, they should announce it then. :)
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I don't think they should announce it soon, interest is at an all time low. It will spike up again a few months before the album comes out, they should announce it then. :)
...waaaaait a minute there... ;D
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By that, I mean like 2 months or so :p
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I'm pretty sure this thread is well past its exploration date. Still praying for minnemann...
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/Hiyama/EpicSmiley.jpg)
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Maybe. I mean, my GODS, this thread is at well over a hundred pages and has basically degenerated into "my choice for the drummer is better then yooooouuuurrrrrs :P". We have already discussed all the likely candidates, so unless DT somehow manages to get some amazing drummer from some very unlikely source; like Yoshiki from X Japan, or someone else of comparable talent, but equally improbable for a variety of reasons; I think we have said all that can be said on this topic until the actual announcement is made.
Wow, Yoshiki, thats a name I didn't expect to come up here... mind = blown
I doubt Jordan would be happy about that choice, he would have competition on the piano now :lol
Theres still a 0.01% chance of that happening though...
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It would be a real surprise, but Yoshiki is perfectly happy with X Japan; also, they're having a new album coming out in summer, so Yoshiki in DT is impossible.
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It would be a real surprise, but Yoshiki is perfectly happy with X Japan; also, they're having a new album coming out in summer, so Yoshiki in DT is impossible.
Of course, but just the thought of that was amusing to me :lol I couldn't help but indulge my imagination. It would be a very... interesting choice, in whatever alternate universe it happened in.
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Well, we would get some wild double-bass and hi-hat runs, that's for sure.
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My bet is we dont hear who the new drummer is until atleast the first single/video. And then Lang will be reveiled I am hoping.
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=152336
Marco Minnemann is NOT the new drummer.
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1) Blabbermouth. I repeat, Blabbermouth.
2) Jan 13th
rumborak
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Blabbermouth is a bottom feeder gossip blog... I wouldn't take anything they say seriously unless you hear it somewhere else. (and that somewhere else isn't quoting blabbermouth :lol)
But its likely Minneman can be ruled out anyways.
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Sorry, if Blabbermouth is an unreliable source. I was just trying to share a bit of info.
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No worries... you did good, just letting you know for future reference.
Edit: They have already said false things in the past, like announcing the drummer as Minneman and then saying oh its not Minneman a week later. By no means do they know what they are talking about.
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Sorry, if Blabbermouth is an unreliable source. I was just trying to share a bit of info.
That's not even the issue really, people have been posting things from Blabbermouth a lot. It's more the fact that it's two months out of date. At least post some new speculation! ;)
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It's pg 119!!! It HAS to be NOW!!...... so it's been prophesied!!!! ;D
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Wow, Yoshiki, thats a name I didn't expect to come up here... mind = blown
I doubt Jordan would be happy about that choice, he would have competition on the piano now :lol
Theres still a 0.01% chance of that happening though...
Yeah, I threw him out there as an example of a drummer who could hang with DT musically, but with no chance in hell of joining (although the thought of Yoshiki in DT gives me goosebumps). Of the likely candidates, I would prefer Morgensten, although Mangini, Minneman or Virgil D would all be more then adequate. There are some other drummers that DT knows who would be up to it, like Jason Rullo of Symphony X, but I would much rather DT not poach a drummer from another band I love so much (another reason why it is probably for the best that Yoshiki is not even a possibility, what with X Japan having a bit of a comeback recently).
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inb4120
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Sorry, if Blabbermouth is an unreliable source. I was just trying to share a bit of info.
That's not even the issue really
nah, blabbermouth is pretty unreliable.
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Gotta be Jesus. Noone else is that good.
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What if the drummer doesn't even real?
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What if the drummer doesn't even real?
Still wouldn't be shocked if it's a computer. Surprised a little, maybe, but look at what JR has done with his apps. Just imagine if he had a whole really good computer worth of processing power.
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Dream Theater is far too traditional a band to use drum samples for an entire album, willingly (such as Meshuggah on Catch-33).
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What if it was a robot that played real drums. :neverusethis:
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What if the drummer doesn't even real?
:)
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DT11 lineup:
JLB
JP
JR
JM
Superior Drummer 2.0
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JLB
JP
JR
JR's left hand
JR's other left hand
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i hope the new drummer is announced soon.
not because i care who it is, but so that this thread can die already.
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JLB
JP
JR
JR's left hand
JR's other left hand
:lol :lol :lol
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i hope the new drummer is announced soon.
not because i care who it is, but so that this thread can die already.
You think this thread will die? Buddy, it will surely become alive once it's announced.
Well, unless another thread is created.
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i hope the new drummer is announced soon.
not because i care who it is, but so that this thread can die already.
If this thread dies it will probably take the rest of the internet along with it.
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i hope the new drummer is announced soon.
not because i care who it is, but so that this thread can die already.
You think this thread will die? Buddy, it will surely become alive once it's announced.
Well, unless another thread is created.
well, technically, this is a "place your bets" thread, therefore when the new drummer is announced, this thread will be irrelevant and obsolete.
boom. roasted.
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DT11 lineup:
JLB
JP
JR
JM
Superior Drummer 2.0
Metal Foundry expansion?
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It's going to be Broly from Dragon Ball Z. His power is maximum.
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What if the drummer doesn't even real?
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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It's going to be Broly from Dragon Ball Z. His power is maximum.
(https://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss37/ibloop/dreamTheater.jpg)
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It's going to be Broly from Dragon Ball Z. His power is maximum.
(https://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss37/ibloop/dreamTheater.jpg)
Fucking. God dammit. Fuck. Yes. Fuck.
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Broly's power is so maximum that two former members needed to be sacrificed as tribute.
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Special summon by sacrificing two token monsters and tapping three blue mana. Broly comes into play tapped.
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In the past two pages, this thread took a turn for the awesome.
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At what point did the choice "Kevin Moore" get renamed to "Actual Real-Life Jesus"?
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What if the drummer doesn't even real?
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Hahaha, nice.
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What if the drummer doesn't even real?
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
No matte how hard I try.... I cannot make either of these quotes make sense. ???
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What if the drummer doesn't even real?
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
No matte how hard I try.... I cannot make either of these quotes make sense. ???
Simply non-proper English done on purpose. It's supposed to be funny.
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What if the drummer doesn't even real?
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
no. mike portnoy dident has enough hat such as thomas lang was simply the best them.
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no. mike portnoy dident has enough hat such as thomas lang was simply the best them.
requoted just to requote
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-D.T-? Is that you in that false body?
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What if the drummer doesn't even real?
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Youve got to be kidding me. Ive been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. Its just common sense.
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(https://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100108063233/uncyclopedia/images/archive/b/b5/20100108063328!Exploding-head.gif)
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Fuck. This has become spectacular.
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What if the drummer doesn't even real?
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
no. mike portnoy dident has enough hat such as thomas lang was simply the best them.
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Okay, stop now. kthxbi
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Something may be going on. The JP board is down for redesign.
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Not a big deal. Just installing the interactive scratch-n-sniff salmon forum theme.
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Something may be going on. The JP board is down for redesign.
OMG!!!!!!!
could they be... ...REDESIGNING :o
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lol
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@Dreamsforever: Are u still adamant that its Mike Mangini?
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It's going to be Broly from Dragon Ball Z. His power is maximum.
(https://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss37/ibloop/dreamTheater.jpg)
Oh my, that would be totally sick. I would miss Myung though.
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He could use the powers of a legendary Saiyan to play bass while playing drums.
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Yes. I havent been around for awhile. But yes I am still telling you its Mangini. And please don't start arguing again. Never my intention.
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Yes. I havent been around for awhile. But yes I am still telling you its Mangini. And please don't start arguing again. Never my intention.
cool story bro
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Yes. I havent been around for awhile. But yes I am still telling you its Mangini. And please don't start arguing again. Never my intention.
I believe it. Wondering why it's taking so long to announce it though. Not being an industry insider, it's very difficult to understand how it could possibly take so long to work things out. But, whatever, looking forward to the next album.
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Yes. I havent been around for awhile. But yes I am still telling you its Mangini. And please don't start arguing again. Never my intention.
LOL!
You haven't been around for a while..... except on the very same day that another poster summons you for your, "inside knowledge." RIGHT. :lol
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I'm telling you, it's Broly.
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I'll bet that we will hear that the record is recorded and in the post production stage before we hear who the new drummer is.
Tracking wont take all that long. This cd will be in the can soon. My guess is that we will get an announcement of the cd title along with the new drummer info.
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Let them take their time. I haven't been this excited for a DT album for a long time.
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Had a dream where the new dt album got released whilst me and ariich were queuing for one of their shows and the drummer still hadn't been announced. One of us went and got a copy then we opened the liner notes to find that the new drummer is dave grohl. I was livid but ariich were surprisingly cool with it! Hope it isn't a premonition!
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Yes. I havent been around for awhile. But yes I am still telling you its Mangini. And please don't start arguing again. Never my intention.
I believe it. Wondering why it's taking so long to announce it though. Not being an industry insider, it's very difficult to understand how it could possibly take so long to work things out. But, whatever, looking forward to the next album.
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Just for discussion: how do you people feel Martin Lopez would fit in DT?
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Had a dream where the new dt album got released whilst me and ariich were queuing for one of their shows and the drummer still hadn't been announced. One of us went and got a copy then we opened the liner notes to find that the new drummer is dave grohl. I was livid but ariich were surprisingly cool with it! Hope it isn't a premonition!
FOO THEATER WOULD BE AMAZING, SHUT UP!
:P
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EDIT: well I'm dumb. nevermind.
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Just for discussion: how do you people feel Martin Lopez would fit in DT?
I think he would be a great pick; his anxiety issues make him easy to be ruled out, though. Which is a shame, because he is a great drummer with a terrific sense for the groove.
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I am actually going to take dreamsforever at his word, though I would love to get a second "source".
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Had a dream where the new dt album got released whilst me and ariich were queuing for one of their shows and the drummer still hadn't been announced. One of us went and got a copy then we opened the liner notes to find that the new drummer is dave grohl. I was livid but ariich were surprisingly cool with it! Hope it isn't a premonition!
FOO THEATER WOULD BE AMAZING, SHUT UP!
:P
As a side project it would be interesting to see the guys team up with someone for something a bit more commercial/poppy but I would cry at the prospect of dream fighters being all that was left :sadpanda:
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Had a dream where the new dt album got released whilst me and ariich were queuing for one of their shows and the drummer still hadn't been announced. One of us went and got a copy then we opened the liner notes to find that the new drummer is dave grohl. I was livid but ariich were surprisingly cool with it! Hope it isn't a premonition!
Hopefully not, but if DT were to get a poppy-type drummer, Dave Grohl would definitely be the best
:neverusethis:
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Something tells me we shouldn't overlook Martin Lopez.....I mean, I know he has health problems, but I think he's found a way to get over them. Thomas Lang could be the guy too.........
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New drummer is a sith lord. The delay is so they can make sure they have full control of the senate.
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Do we know if they're tracking already? If so, this could happen at a different studio ( or studios). Do we know any of this?
They may be taking a break, since they may not have drummer on board yet.
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Do we know if they're tracking already? If so, this could happen at a different studio ( or studios). Do we know any of this?
They may be taking a break, since they may not have drummer on board yet.
I think they are. This is one of Jordan's latest tweets...
A little studio art work while hanging listening to some tracking. https://plixi.com/p/84514846
And there's art too :metal
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That should be the new album cover.
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I just read somewhere that Herman Rarebell probably isn't going to be the new drummer. :(
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Do we know if they're tracking already? If so, this could happen at a different studio ( or studios). Do we know any of this?
They may be taking a break, since they may not have drummer on board yet.
I think they are. This is one of Jordan's latest tweets...
A little studio art work while hanging listening to some tracking. https://plixi.com/p/84514846
And there's art too :metal
I hadn't seen that. It's great that everything seems to be moving forward.
It is mind-blowing the fact that a name has not leaked.
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I wonder what Jordan's DT Time Machine pic is all about.
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I wonder what Jordan's DT Time Machine pic is all about.
Kevin MOORE!!!!!!!!!!
TADA DA DA DA DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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It'd be quite a good name for an eleventh album, assuming they went forwards with it rather than backwards. I like that as a statement. "We've got a time machine. It'd be really easy to use it to replicate past successes, but fuck that shit! Into the future!"
More likely, though, it's just something to do with the band goofing off.
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I wonder what Jordan's DT Time Machine pic is all about.
Link to said pic, please.
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I wonder what Jordan's DT Time Machine pic is all about.
Link to said pic, please.
https://ow.ly/i/9eoV
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using old keyboard sounds/leads?
id love for him to bring back his sfam lead, instead of the one he uses now
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At first I was like :corn
...but then :|
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At first I was like :corn
...but then :|
I have no idea what you are talking about.
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No St. Patty's day surprise eh?
Ah well. We plod along into another day.
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Everybody should stop posting in this thread until we get an announcement
Cuz nobody's added anything significant in months :P
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Sounds good to me, its almost become a trolling thread now.
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The following was posted on 2 -14 - 2011 at 03.23 am on Drummerworld's forum by Paul Quin, who apparently is drummer / attorney and seems to know at least some people inside music industry. - https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9ltij_paul-quin-drumming-and-the-law_shortfilms -
https://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72293
"auditions have occurred (and been filmed) - the new drummer has been chosen and it just has not yet been announced. So - I can't tell you; sorry!
Paul "
Couple of thoughts (or questions):
Auditions have been filmed... (?)
Some people do know who the drummer is... (?)
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Of course some people know who the drummer is.
As far as the auditions being filmed, that doesn't surprise me. For one thing, in making the decision, it could be very useful for the guys to be able to go back and watch the auditions again and discuss. And the technology being what it is, it is so cheap and easy to do it almost doesn't make sense NOT to film something like that. Plus, we know Jordan has become a serious video freak over recent years, so it wouldn't surprise me if the suggestion came from him (or if he just decided on his own to do it). :lol Now as far as whether or not we, the fans, will ever see any of it...I could be mistaken, but I doubt it.
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If its recorded. They should release a video compilation showing the 7 auditions playing one DT epic, as it draws to its end it eliminates the drummers until the last movement reveals the drummer....
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Of course some people know who the drummer is.
As far as the auditions being filmed, that doesn't surprise me. For one thing, in making the decision, it could be very useful for the guys to be able to go back and watch the auditions again and discuss. And the technology being what it is, it is so cheap and easy to do it almost doesn't make sense NOT to film something like that. Plus, we know Jordan has become a serious video freak over recent years, so it wouldn't surprise me if the suggestion came from him (or if he just decided on his own to do it). :lol Now as far as whether or not we, the fans, will ever see any of it...I could be mistaken, but I doubt it.
You're right, he is a video freak.....I wonder if this will prompt him to take over the DVD responsibility(?)
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DT DVD making app on the works.
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Of course some people know who the drummer is.
As far as the auditions being filmed, that doesn't surprise me. For one thing, in making the decision, it could be very useful for the guys to be able to go back and watch the auditions again and discuss. And the technology being what it is, it is so cheap and easy to do it almost doesn't make sense NOT to film something like that. Plus, we know Jordan has become a serious video freak over recent years, so it wouldn't surprise me if the suggestion came from him (or if he just decided on his own to do it). :lol Now as far as whether or not we, the fans, will ever see any of it...I could be mistaken, but I doubt it.
Yeah, I doubt we would see any of the footage of the drummers who didn't get the gig anyway. Possibly the auditions of the drummer who did get the gig, but I don't know what purpose it would serve. I guess anything is possible, but I doubt it too.
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Its for the making of.
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At first I was like :corn
...but then :|
I have no idea what you are talking about.
That's ok, neither does he. :tick2:
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I don't know why, but Steve Bolognese popped into my head. Any thoughts? His band has recently toured with DT and he just quit his band recently.
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Don't know who he is, but he's named after spaghetti sauce. How good could he be?
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Don't know who he is, but he's named after spaghetti sauce. How good could he be?
He's the most recent (non current) drummer of Into Eternity. He taught, or teaches at Berkley, is a very talented metal drummer, has toured with DT and recently, for unknown reasons, quit Into Eternity.
I hope it's not him, but it popped into my head none the less.
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He's the most recent (non current) drummer of Into Eternity. He taught, or teaches at Berkley, is a very talented metal drummer, has toured with DT and recently, for unknown reasons, quit Into Eternity.
I hope it's not him, but it popped into my head none the less.
"None the less" belongs in the "it's neither here nor there" thread.
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No, it doesn't. Nonetheless is a word.
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Oh yeah duhhh :facepalm:
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He's the most recent (non current) drummer of Into Eternity. He taught, or teaches at Berkley, is a very talented metal drummer, has toured with DT and recently, for unknown reasons, quit Into Eternity.
I hope it's not him, but it popped into my head none the less.
"None the less" belongs in the "it's neither here nor there" thread.
No, it doesn't. Nonetheless is a word.
Oh yeah duhhh :facepalm:
LMAO :rollin :rollin :rollin
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yeah, but a single word can totally be a phrase.
llike "ight"
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Don't know who he is, but he's named after spaghetti sauce. How good could he be?
A good homemade Bolognese is quite delicious, but that last name made me chuckle.
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I don't know why, but Steve Bolognese popped into my head. Any thoughts? His band has recently toured with DT and he just quit his band recently.
I am pretty sure he took over for Mike Mangini at Berklee.
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Don't know who he is, but he's named after spaghetti sauce. How good could he be?
A good homemade Bolognese is quite delicious, but that last name made me chuckle.
Same here :rollin
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I don't know why, but Steve Bolognese popped into my head. Any thoughts? His band has recently toured with DT and he just quit his band recently.
I am pretty sure he took over for Mike Mangini at Berklee.
^^^ this
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Oh ok, thanks for the info. :)
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Gee whiz... I've been on hiatus for 4 months and I come back and we STILL don't know? Crikey, this has got to be the best kept secret in rock! :o
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you mean progressive metal.
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Yes. I havent been around for awhile. But yes I am still telling you its Mangini. And please don't start arguing again. Never my intention.
I believe it. Wondering why it's taking so long to announce it though. Not being an industry insider, it's very difficult to understand how it could possibly take so long to work things out. But, whatever, looking forward to the next album.
I thought this was settled. They are making a video about the drummer selection process and don't want to spoil it by announcing. It should be out in May and that will end this phase. Then an album release for mid to late summer and touring starting in Europe. If this has all been posted before, sue me, I have been really busy...
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They are making a video about the drummer selection process and don't want to spoil it by announcing.
I really hope you're right Major. It would be well worth the wait if we got extra DT footage in return, especially if it featured the guys playing classics in the studio.
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They are making a video about the drummer selection process and don't want to spoil it by announcing.
I really hope you're right Major. It would be well worth the wait if we got extra DT footage in return, especially if it featured the guys playing classics in the studio.
There is no evidence that this is the case at all, people here speculated that they may do that, but that's it.
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you mean progressive metal.
Probably... but I'll wait til I hear the album! ;D
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I thought this was settled.
lol
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The obvious thing that has happened is RR has observed untold interest in the band since Mike left and there has been a lot of anticipation built up for the new album hence they have told the band to hold of on the annoucement until the album release to maintain that momentum thus increased first week/first month sales. Once everyone finds out who the drummer is and buys the albums, there will be discussions on this that will drive potential first month sales through the roof. Im quite sure any legal or internal conflicts have been sorted in the band otherwise they would not be in a position to record an album nor would they want to with any unknown's still not ironed out (ie new drummer could have fallen through in ironing out contracts and any DT related MP owned items may affect the content/recording process.
Thoughts?
P.S. Sorry for any spelling/grammar errors.
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Roadrunner holding them back from announcing the new drummer's name makes sense to me. Out of all possibilities, that one seems the most believable. In terms of marketing, there needs to be good timing for announcing the news.
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The obvious thing that has happened is RR has observed untold interest in the band since Mike left and there has been a lot of anticipation built up for the new album hence they have told the band to hold of on the annoucement until the album release to maintain that momentum thus increased first week/first month sales. Once everyone finds out who the drummer is and buys the albums, there will be discussions on this that will drive potential first month sales through the roof. Im quite sure any legal or internal conflicts have been sorted in the band otherwise they would not be in a position to record an album nor would they want to with any unknown's still not ironed out (ie new drummer could have fallen through in ironing out contracts and any DT related MP owned items may affect the content/recording process.
Thoughts?
P.S. Sorry for any spelling/grammar errors.
Yes, this seems to be the most plausible explanation. From a business standpoint, I can't say I disagree with the decision either.
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From the other thread: What about Gavin Harrison? Certainly can play the stuff, and has his own recording studio in which he records his tracks for PT for example.
rumborak
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You mean Gavin Harisson OF PORCUPINE TREE?
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He would certainly have to leave PT. I just don't see it happening, but you never know. Maybe if they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. But PT is on the rise. I just can't see it.
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DOUBLE DUTY!!! MAJOR UPSET!!
Ok, just kidding. Can't really see it, but it would be an explanation of the drummer not being in the studio.
rumborak
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But PT is on the rise. I just can't see it.
Yeah, I would agree that PT has a few more years than DT has in front of them.
rumborak
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Rumbo, why are you bringing up Harrison? Didn't you already start a thread claiming to "know" people saying it was Mangini?
Why perpetuate other names?
Are you saying that the drummer is NOT in the studio? Has this been confirmed because I would be very surprised if that were true. To me, it makes no sense.
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Gavin would definitely be my first choice though. He's a phenomenal drummer and as SW says, "he's the musician of the band." He would be the perfect fit for DT imo.
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Rumbo, why are you bringing up Harrison? Didn't you already start a thread claiming to "know" people saying it was Mangini?
Why perpetuate other names?
Are you saying that the drummer is NOT in the studio? Has this been confirmed because I would be very surprised if that were true. To me, it makes no sense.
I think he's just having fun in this thread. The thread title implies speculation. It's all in fun. ;)
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Rumbo, why are you bringing up Harrison? Didn't you already start a thread claiming to "know" people saying it was Mangini?
Why perpetuate other names?
:chill
I'm just stirring the pot a little. Because there's nothing else happening in DT world really. The Mangini thread was about somebody else's strong belief about Mangini, not necessarily my own.
Are you saying that the drummer is NOT in the studio? Has this been confirmed because I would be very surprised if that were true. To me, it makes no sense.
My personal sense is, given DT's popularity, I have a very hard time imagining you have a drummer entering and leaving the studio daily and nobody knowing about it.
rumborak
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:lol
OK Ok I'm chilled! It's just that there's enough spam from the noobs.
How popular are they? This is damned DTF and we can't even perform an organized stakeout, and we're their biggest fans!
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I still think it is Mike Mangini, but I just noticed (I have probably seen it a thousand times) the front page for MP website which states; MP is a founding member and Drummer of Dream Theater as well as side projects etc....but it doesn't list anywhere his new project with Symphony X singer Russel Allen and Mike Orlando.
Why not list he has left Dream Theater.....God I really just want an announcement already. :angel:
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At this point, I think it would take us by surprise if it wasn't Mike Mangini.
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I certainly wouldn't be surprised. In retrospect, we based some of our assumptions on evidence that didn't necessarily rule the drummer out. I wouldn't be surprised if it's some drummer that we already decided didn't get the job because some guy knew some guy that didn't think he was the new drummer. Sure some guys we know aren't because of schedule conflicts or they actually said they weren't (Zeleny, Wildoer to an extent), but it could easily be some guy we overlooked in the first few weeks of these shenanigans.
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Zeleny and Wildoer were my two initial choices, but when they were ruled out I started considering Mangini, Minneman and Lang. But then again, I'll be happy with whoever they pick. ;D
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At this point, I think it would take us by surprise if it wasn't Mike Mangini.
i don't think i would be surprised. i think he's definitely the frontrunner, but it's certainly not set in stone. evidence, gossip etc. point to him more than any other drummer, but it certainly hasn't been set in stone.
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Mangini being at the top of the list =/= The entirety of DTF pledging their souls to the idea that he will be the drummer
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Could be someone that's not even on the list.
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I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case...
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you only have to look up DT drum covers on youtube to see that there are quite a fiew drummers that can play well enough but i think its the creativity we/they really need as well as a good stage presence!! i still really hope its minneman he looks the most fun ::)
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A big thank you to rumborak for getting this discussion flowing again. :metal
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you only have to look up DT drum covers on youtube to see that there are quite a fiew drummers that can play well enough
not a very strong argument.
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Could be someone that's not even on the list.
Problem is, if it's someone unknown, it most likely means he's rather young too. I can't see DT bringing in a young kid.
rumborak
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^ Good point.
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Could be someone that's not even on the list.
Problem is, if it's someone unknown, it most likely means he's rather young too. I can't see DT bringing in a young kid.
rumborak
why not? youngins aren't as good?
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It'd be like the opposite of MP in A7X.
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so what?
they asked him to join.
edit just like dt asked mangini to join.
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Could be someone that's not even on the list.
Problem is, if it's someone unknown, it most likely means he's rather young too. I can't see DT bringing in a young kid.
rumborak
why not? youngins aren't as good?
Just age difference and the things that come with it. I have auditioned with various bands over the years, and every time there was a significant age difference (to either side), it didn't flow well.
rumborak
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so?
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so what?
they asked him to join.
edit just like dt asked mangini to join.
^ :rollin
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so what?
they asked him to join.
edit just like dt asked mangini to join.
They're looking for someone with experience. But either way, large age difference is always kind of weird.
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edit i suck at quoting hold on a sec.
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so what?
they asked him to join.
edit just like dt asked mangini to join.
They're looking for someone with experience. But either way, large age difference is always kind of weird.
first sentence = weak point
second sentence = good point.
edit but still neither points towards somebody other than mangini being the drummer.
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Are you saying experience isn't important? :|
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Could be someone that's not even on the list.
While that's very possible, and obviously fine, it would make the constant statements of "you guys will understand.....you guys will NOT be disappointed" etc to make much less sense.
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Are you saying experience isn't important? :|
did i say that?
nope.
fail.
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"you guys will understand that while it could be mangini, it may not be manigni."....."either way, you guys will NOT be disappointed"
next.
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Are you saying experience isn't important? :|
did i say that?
nope.
fail.
Well you said that me saying that was a weak point.
dudewat.jpg
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being young doesn't mean you don't have experience, brotherman.
duh.
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Anyone who even mentions Gavin is having a lot of fun in their fantasy world, that's for sure. There is no way he would leave PT for DT, I don't even see it as a remote possibility.
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lol that came out of nowhere.
but yah, no gavin.
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Older= assured experience
I would think DT would want to make the more solid choice in this decision rather than the risky one (picking a younger guy).
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Older= assured experience
I would think DT would want to make the more solid choice in this decision rather than the risky one (picking a younger guy).
meh, a good point.
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rumby, where you at?
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I think that the smart choice is someone 5-10 years younger than their average age now. Someone who still looks like one of their peers, but will have more youth to them, which is key because drums in Dream Theater is very physically demanding, and while I'm sure JP might still be able to shred at 60, asking a 60 year old drummer to play 2.5 hours of Dream Theater a night at 60 might be pushing it.
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but jp isnt 60
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But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.
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But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.
i totally agree.
metropolis part 3 by then?
i think so.
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How old is Neil Peart?
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metropolis part 3 by then?
ohboyherewego
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How old is Neil Peart?
Old, and Rush fans should count their blessing every day that the man is still able to do what he does.
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How old is Neil Peart?
Old, and Rush fans should count their blessing every day that the man is still able to do what he does.
man thats cold.
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metropolis part 3 by then?
ohboyherewego
IT WILL HAPPEN.
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Could be someone that's not even on the list.
While that's very possible, and obviously fine, it would make the constant statements of "you guys will understand.....you guys will NOT be disappointed" etc to make much less sense.
So it's Marco Minneman? :lol
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it could be.
nobody knows.
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How old is Neil Peart?
Old, and Rush fans should count their blessing every day that the man is still able to do what he does.
man thats cold.
How is that cold? People get old and lose their physical attributes, it's a fact of life, and Rush fans, myself included are lucky that Neil has been able to keep himself at a level where he can do a 30 shows in two months and play for 2.5 hours a night.
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but he drinks whiskey...
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But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.
Not sure I really want to see that. Not with their kind of music.
rumborak
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Don't worry, once they hit about 55 they'll just start aging backwards.
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But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.
Not sure I really want to see that. Not with their kind of music.
rumborak
from here on you will sign your posts as "rumby.'
k?
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How is that cold? People get old and lose their physical attributes, it's a fact of life, and Rush fans, myself included are lucky that Neil has been able to keep himself at a level where he can do a 30 shows in two months and play for 2.5 hours a night.
I think the fact that he kept working on his drumming helped with that. He has a very smooth and efficient drumming style. MP I believe already has issues.
rumborak
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But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.
Not sure I really want to see that. Not with their kind of music.
rumborak
Yes, but let's consider the fact that unlike me you already don't like what DT has been doing. For those of us who still think DT is producing great music we'd like to see that continue.
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Still, the thought of Labrie singing tDEN when he's like 70 is sort of funny.
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Well, you've made a good point, but for a reason I'm not on board with. If they do get a drummer a few years younger than the longevity of the band will pretty much hinge on James and what his voice will be able to handle down the line.
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But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.
Not sure I really want to see that. Not with their kind of music.
rumborak
Yes, but let's consider the fact that unlike me you already don't like what DT has been doing. For those of us who still think DT is producing great music we'd like to see that continue.
disagree.
while i dont really like DT's past few albums, i still think they have the potential to create awesome music.
age has nothing to do with it.
WDADU > SFAM, cuz WDADU is better cuz they were younger...
with all due respect.
fail.
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The argument that DT will release the name of the drummer with the release of the album is making more and more sense. I mean, if they've had to wait this long...
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Well, you've made a good point, but for a reason I'm not on board with. If they do get a drummer a few years younger than the longevity of the band will pretty much hinge on James and what his voice will be able to handle down the line.
all joking aside...
are you serious dude?
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But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.
Not sure I really want to see that. Not with their kind of music.
rumborak
Yes, but let's consider the fact that unlike me you already don't like what DT has been doing. For those of us who still think DT is producing great music we'd like to see that continue.
You misunderstood me. I wasn't criticizing their late musical output. I rather meant that with their music of very fast and technical prog metal, with a high-pitched singer, I'm not sure I want to see some 70-yo fogies butcher their own material because they just can't pull it off anymore.
In other words, DT shouldn't be another Kansas.
rumborak
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Well, you've made a good point, but for a reason I'm not on board with. If they do get a drummer a few years younger than the longevity of the band will pretty much hinge on James and what his voice will be able to handle down the line.
all joking aside...
are you serious dude?
Um... yeah. James has had issues with his voice over the years, and even as a strong fan of him you can't ignore the fact that he had problems with the food poisoning and that later he was almost kicked out of the band because he wasn't taking care of himself or his voice. I don't foresee any of the other members having to sit out prior to James for physical reasons.
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But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.
Not sure I really want to see that. Not with their kind of music.
rumborak
Yes, but let's consider the fact that unlike me you already don't like what DT has been doing. For those of us who still think DT is producing great music we'd like to see that continue.
You misunderstood me. I wasn't criticizing their late musical output. I rather meant that with their music of very fast and technical prog metal, with a high-pitched singer, I'm not sure I want to see some 70-yo fogies butcher their own material because they just can't pull it off anymore.
In other words, DT shouldn't be another Kansas.
rumborak
While I agree that there is a point to be made here, I still do feel that DT has a lot of good years left in them and don't think they've displayed any reasons to start thinking about when they should maybe hang it up due to age.
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Well, you've made a good point, but for a reason I'm not on board with. If they do get a drummer a few years younger than the longevity of the band will pretty much hinge on James and what his voice will be able to handle down the line.
all joking aside...
are you serious dude?
Um... yeah. James has had issues with his voice over the years, and even as a strong fan of him you can't ignore the fact that he had problems with the food poisoning and that later he was almost kicked out of the band because he wasn't taking care of himself or his voice. I don't foresee any of the other members having to sit out prior to James for physical reasons.
yah but,
...what does that have to do with the drumming?
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I actually don't see Dream Theater going on much longer, at least not at the level they have been. Though I've made posts in the past disagreeing with this opinion, I'm seeing more and more sense in the opinion that they 'capped out' in 2007. A couple things:
1.) only so many people are ever going to like prog metal and
2.) on the last tour, Dream Theater played to half-empty crowds most nights. I really hate admitting that, but it's just true.
Part of it, of course, has to do with the economy. Part of it has to do with Mike's ProgNation tour which, though cool, was unfortunately not something enough fans were giving a chance and thus a 'failure'. And I wonder if part of it had to do with releasing the half-assed Chaos in Motion DVD at the peak of the bands' popularity. Seriously, at that point in the game, DT needed to top Score and show their new fans what they were capable of. Instead, they put out a cheapo that good for the hardcore fans but was bad enough to potentially turn any new fan away.
As for PT, I think the same is kinda true. They could be increasingly in popularity right now, but SW is just too concerned with his solo stuff. Last year had not PT and this year will also feature no new PT, yet 3 or 4 new Steve Wilson side-project records. That, I think, is a bad sign for any band.
You misunderstood me. I wasn't criticizing their late musical output. I rather meant that with their music of very fast and technical prog metal, with a high-pitched singer, I'm not sure I want to see some 70-yo fogies butcher their own material because they just can't pull it off anymore.
In other words, DT shouldn't be another Kansas.
rumborak
You know, I've thought about this too and I wonder... what's stopping Dream Theater from just taking things down a notch? They've always loved Yes, Floyd, Genesis, etc... Hell, half of the current membership was spotted at last year's Porcupine Tree show. Why couldn't they become that kind of band in their later years? That, to me, would be their best bet.
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2.) on the last tour, Dream Theater played to half-empty crowds most nights. I really hate admitting that, but it's just true.
In America perhaps, but in Europe DT, on the whole, play to sold out or very nearly sold out venues - and venues of a decent size too.
But I do agree that they should have, and perhaps should instead do on this tour, released a top quality dvd instead of CiM.
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I actually don't see Dream Theater going on much longer
they said that after dt released fif.
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I actually don't see Dream Theater going on much longer
they said that after dt released fif.
Age wasn't part of the equation back then.
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I actually don't see Dream Theater going on much longer
they said that after dt released fif.
Why did you omit the most important part of my sentence? I meant "going on... as a band known for heavy metal and high-pitched vocals."
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I actually don't see Dream Theater going on much longer
they said that after dt released fif.
Age wasn't part of the equation back then.
rudess is the oldest member of DT? does he suck? no.
next/
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But I do agree that they should have, and perhaps should instead do on this tour, released a top quality dvd instead of CiM.
I don't think this can be stressed enough. As someone who's been into the band for awhile, I can say pretty confidently that Score was of the utmost importance in reassuring fans about the bands' live performance. Before Score, people had a billion reservations, almost all of which were directed at James. And after that DVD, people really did stop complaining for the most part.
Then a tour later they release the bare-bones, crappy Chaos in Motion. Now guess what? People wonder if Score was a fluke, and the newer fans who've never been to shows see it and say, "oh, so I guess James is problem."
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I actually don't see Dream Theater going on much longer
they said that after dt released fif.
Why did you omit the most important part of my sentence? I meant "going on... as a band known for heavy metal and high-pitched vocals."
to be honest, i only read the first sentence of your post.
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Part of it, of course, has to do with the economy. Part of it has to do with Mike's ProgNation tour which, though cool, was unfortunately not something enough fans were giving a chance and thus a 'failure'. And I wonder if part of it had to do with releasing the half-assed Chaos in Motion DVD at the peak of the bands' popularity. Seriously, at that point in the game, DT needed to top Score and show their new fans what they were capable of. Instead, they put out a cheapo that good for the hardcore fans but was bad enough to potentially turn any new fan away.
As for PT, I think the same is kinda true. They could be increasingly in popularity right now, but SW is just too concerned with his solo stuff. Last year had not PT and this year will also feature no new PT, yet 3 or 4 new Steve Wilson side-project records. That, I think, is a bad sign for any band.
1. BC&SL did better in the charts than any other album. And this new drummer thing has generated more interest than ever before. I wouldn't worry about DT. They are on the rise.
2. As for PT, Steve Wilson has stated in a recent interview that he will be getting back together with the Tree at the end of this year. I wouldn't worry about PT. They are on the rise.
^ Just my 2 cents.
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no reply = accepts fail.
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To the people arguing with "ricky": please, for your own sake, stop. You will actually feel your brain cells dying. Literally. Just some friendly advice.
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To the people arguing with "ricky": please, for your own sake, stop. You will actually feel your brain cells dying. Literally. Just some friendly advice.
So true.
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To the people arguing with "ricky": please, for your own sake, stop. You will actually feel your brain cells dying. Literally. Just some friendly advice.
Someone had to say it.
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but im not dumb...
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Part of it, of course, has to do with the economy. Part of it has to do with Mike's ProgNation tour which, though cool, was unfortunately not something enough fans were giving a chance and thus a 'failure'. And I wonder if part of it had to do with releasing the half-assed Chaos in Motion DVD at the peak of the bands' popularity. Seriously, at that point in the game, DT needed to top Score and show their new fans what they were capable of. Instead, they put out a cheapo that good for the hardcore fans but was bad enough to potentially turn any new fan away.
As for PT, I think the same is kinda true. They could be increasingly in popularity right now, but SW is just too concerned with his solo stuff. Last year had not PT and this year will also feature no new PT, yet 3 or 4 new Steve Wilson side-project records. That, I think, is a bad sign for any band.
1. BC&SL did better in the charts than any other album. And this new drummer thing has generated more interest than ever before. I wouldn't worry about DT. They are on the rise.
2. As for PT, Steve Wilson has stated in a recent interview that he will be getting back together with the Tree at the end of this year. I wouldn't worry about PT. They are on the rise.
^ Just my 2 cents.
My rebuttals:
1.) BC&SL did better on the charts, sure. But do we know how much it actually sold? Doing well on the charts is a combo of a lot of things: whether other highly anticipated albums are coming out, for example. As far as I know, nothing else was coming out next to BC&SL except that The Mars Volta album. I'm curious to see how the BC's numbers actually compare with the SC ones.
2.) Eh, I'd say they've sort of plateaued. But I guess time will tell. I don't see them playing to half-empty crowds any time soon, but I also don't see them moving to bigger venues either.
To the people arguing with "ricky": please, for your own sake, stop. You will actually feel your brain cells dying. Literally. Just some friendly advice.
Noted :police:
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How old are the Guys from Maiden? Quite a bit older than DT and the still can lay it down. Bruce is still sprinting around stage. RJD was still very good up until his cancer suprised him at 67. Dio would still be going strong, he had no plans of quiting, nor should he have. Priest is winding down after 40 years and Ozzys still strong. DT has many, many good years left thankfully, providing no more unforseen garbage takes place. And if they keep replacing members as they leave, the DT octavarium could live on for longer than most of us. Heres to the Drummer being a great band member and the bands youngest. Long Live DT. :metal
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DT will sell more tickets if they return to An Evening With or have just one opening band. And as far as PT, if Sigur Ros can play larger venues, I'm confident PT can. At any rate, for both DT and PT, it seems that the next album will be crucial to the growth of their fanbase.
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How old are the Guys from Maiden?
A lot of people might be surprised to hear this, but James LaBrie is only 5 or so years younger than Bruce Dickinson. James is also a good 5 years older than the other guys in Dream Theater (barring Jordan, who is older than the Maiden guys). And, honestly, since the average Iron Maiden tour these days is like 2 dozen shows around the world, I do think we'll be extremely lucky if we have what DT are giving us now for more than the next couple cycles.
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It's no wonder they didn't want to take a hiatus. Their time is definitely now. I'm actually not worried about James. He sounded amazing the last couple times I saw him on the last tour. He's got some years left in him.
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I hope it's Mangini.
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Did some research, Maidens oldest member is there Drummer at 58. I was suprised to see James is only 5 years younger than Bruce. Bruce still runs around like a bullet on stage, hopefully James can stay as in physically good shape as Bruce. Maidens 3 guitarists are all 11 years older than JP. Harris has Myung by 11 as well. Niko had Portnoy by a whopping 15 years. And yeah Jordan is as old as Maiden. But Jordan, like most Wizzards has a longer Life expectancy and could probably do what he does for a very long time(And he appears to take good care of himself as well)
I hope Maiden can keep going for another 20 and DT another 30 before they stop. DT looks up to Maiden and hopefully thinks they can hang as long as they do. I know Im being optimistic, I dont even care if its rocking chair music that they put out. Im gona need somethin to listen to in the nursing home.
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^ :rollin Thanks for the research.
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see that's the problem, people think about things too much.
you can be like, "well bruce dickinson is this old..." blah blah blah
but he will never even be close to kevin labrie, therefore the argument is invalid.
edit to to too
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There's no way in hell Maiden will continue another 20 years. And DT won't continue another 30
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you can be like, "well bruce dickinson is this old..." blah blah blah
but he will never even be close to kevin labrie, therefore the argument is invalid.
You understand that anywhere other than a DT forum you will be completely mocked and laughed at for this, right?
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yeah, i do.
but this is a dt forum so i'm safe.
nick, why can't we be friends?
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but this is a dt forum so i'm safe.
No really.
Though I agree. Between Bruce and James, James is the far better singer, though both guys are easily in my top 10. We've already got a thread for that, though.
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To the people arguing with "ricky": please, for your own sake, stop. You will actually feel your brain cells dying. Literally. Just some friendly advice.
Alright, I know it's pointless arguing with children, but I don't think my post had to be deleted. I contributed to the topics at hand and gave my thoughts on it. Oh well. I guess my rep here isn't great because I say what I feel without dipping it in sugar first. Not that I really care, I'm an on and off poster anyway. Someday soon I'll stop altogether or get myself banned for fueling the trolls too much.
I'm still hoping it's Minnemann. That would be officially answering my prayers. The recent update from JP doesn't reveal much that we don't already know, which tells me that we're probably not getting an announcement before April... I was dreading this for a couple months now but I didn't think it would take this long. Now I'm guessing late April - early May for the big press-release-website-post-big-announcement-album-news thingy.
Maybe if I think about it enough, it will happen, like imaginary exercise. Yes it works.
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walmartsecurity:
I have no idea what you're talking about. LOL .... I wasn't directed my post at you or anything. I didn't know you had posts deleted.... ????
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no reply = accepts fail.
These kinds of posts are not useful, ricky. So cut it out.
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But I'm hopeful that one day, he will turn 60, and DT will still be together.
Not sure I really want to see that. Not with their kind of music.
rumborak
Yes, but let's consider the fact that unlike me you already don't like what DT has been doing. For those of us who still think DT is producing great music we'd like to see that continue.
You misunderstood me. I wasn't criticizing their late musical output. I rather meant that with their music of very fast and technical prog metal, with a high-pitched singer, I'm not sure I want to see some 70-yo fogies butcher their own material because they just can't pull it off anymore.
In other words, DT shouldn't be another Kansas.
rumborak
WOW!! I saw Kansas a couple years ago and they did an awesome job!!! I hope DT gets to that age being able to play as good as Kansas did that night.
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I have this live recording of Kansas somewhere where the singer is horrendous horrendous. That's what I was basing my comment on really.
Let's use The Who instead then as an example of "should have stopped when we were still good".
rumborak
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I have this live recording of Kansas somewhere where the singer is horrendous horrendous. That's what I was basing my comment on really.
Let's use The Who instead then as an example of "should have stopped when we were still good".
rumborak
Saw The Who back in 2006. They still sounded really good. Not like they used to be, but Daltrey was on fire that night
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if maiden can stll do it and run about like they do i dont see how a near static dt cant go on touring for ages to come!! as long as jlb looks after his voice!! and i'd like to point out that maiden are doing a very extensive world tour this year and bruce is flying the plane as well as playing after!!!
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Then a tour later they release the bare-bones, crappy Chaos in Motion. Now guess what? People wonder if Score was a fluke, and the newer fans who've never been to shows see it and say, "oh, so I guess James is problem."
But it James is problem then... who... is phone?!
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Wait, did I miss something? Why are people STILL talking about Minnemann; did he not long ago make an official announcement that he was NOT the DT drummer? Thus... are the rumors not dismissed?
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Then a tour later they release the bare-bones, crappy Chaos in Motion. Now guess what? People wonder if Score was a fluke, and the newer fans who've never been to shows see it and say, "oh, so I guess James is problem."
But it James is problem then... who... is phone?!
More importantly...who was drum?
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Wait, did I miss something? Why are people STILL talking about Minnemann; did he not long ago make an official announcement that he was NOT the DT drummer? Thus... are the rumors not dismissed?
Um... no. No such announcement was made from Minnemann.
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The new drummer is...
Animal
You heard it here first
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The new drummer is...
Animal
You heard it here first
Actually, I think we heard that about 90 pages ago
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(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/dt_new_drummer.jpg)
I think I made that picture about 2 or 3 days after the announcement. :lol
rumborak
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if maiden can stll do it and run about like they do i dont see how a near static dt cant go on touring for ages to come!! as long as jlb looks after his voice!! and i'd like to point out that maiden are doing a very extensive world tour this year and bruce is flying the plane as well as playing after!!!
And some of them, including Dickinson, still drink their fair share of alcohol while on tour.
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There is no evidence that this is the case at all, people here speculated that they may do that, but that's it.
I can only say that I believe this to be true (the drummer selection video to be released around May or so) in the strongest possible terms that would not require documentation. And once it is proven true, I would like permanent dispensation from ever having to offer proof of future assertions.
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I'm soooo curious to see how this turns out, especially if Major Thirteenth is right.
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The new drummer is...
Animal
You heard it here first
Actually, I think we heard that about 90 pages ago
I REALLY can't be bothered to look back on 126 odd pages. so I'll take your word for it :P
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You're saying nothing interesting has been discussed in this thread?!
:-*
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I'll let the cat outta the bag.... the new drummer is:
(https://members.multimania.co.uk/arizonabay/images/animal.jpg)
Not 90 pages, but there you go. :)
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I'm serious in saying, A video release with all auditions playing one DT epic, slowly it concludes to reveal the new drummer...Metropolis would be great.
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Interesting edit. What happened to, "sorry, dude."
I know I shouldn't've.
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Reason Number 1. He did not respond back. There are most probably two reasons why. The first reason is that he was not online, and therefore unable to post a reply. This i find incriminating, due to the fact that I saw the "online" thing yellow for about two hours after I posted my response, so he most probably saw what I wrote.
Therefore, was it incriminating that I came to the conclusion that he had nothing to say? I put such a conclusion into much more simple terms, which is as follows...
(https://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff421/perpetualjoe/Internets/ricky.jpg)
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no reply = accepts fail.
These kinds of posts are not useful, ricky. So cut it out.
In all rationale, what I said was in no way offensive.
If it was, please explain to me why. If you can tell me why it was not useful, citing serious points as to why, i will be quiet and not say a word. Otherwise, i do not feel like what i said what condescending at all, because it wasn't.
Here's why
Reason Number 1. He did not respond back. There are most probably two reasons why. The first reason is that he was not online, and therefore unable to post a reply. This i find incriminating, due to the fact that I saw the "online" thing yellow for about two hours after I posted my response, so he most probably saw what I wrote.
Therefore, was it incriminating that I came to the conclusion that he had nothing to say? I put such a conclusion into much more simple terms, which is as follows...
no reply = accepts fail
what I said was in no way trolling, as I would never do such a thing.
I have posted my rational and serious response as to why I have done nothing wrong.
Again, if you want to tell me to "cut it out", I politely ask you to challange me why I said anything wrong, arguing the points I cited and therefore proving what I sad was incorrect.
I am in no way being condescending, but am simply pleading for you to explain why I should "cut out" what is simply a feasible point.
You tend to come off as pretty condescending, bud. Whenever you "argue" with someone, you take a single word, phrase, or sentence out of context. You find some kind of semantic reason to disagree, or just say "no that's wrong." You then act victorious and finish with some kind of condescending/gloating statement. "Boom roasted" or "next" being the two I seem to remember at the time.
And in this case, you went so far as to assert that anyone not responding to you has accepted being a failure. It really could have been simple as them happening to walk away from the computer.
I mean no offense, man. You mostly seem like a good guy. But you're pretty condescending.
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There is no evidence that this is the case at all, people here speculated that they may do that, but that's it.
I can only say that I believe this to be true (the drummer selection video to be released around May or so) in the strongest possible terms that would not require documentation. And once it is proven true, I would like permanent dispensation from ever having to offer proof of future assertions.
M13, What form are we talking here? An internet only video viewable on the DT and RR websites? Combo pack with new single? Magazine (Classic Rock) Bonus DVD?
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It just seems to me that a "drummer selection video" would not be fair to the drummers who didn't get the gig and could even be humiliating. It doesn't make much sense.
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It just seems to me that a "drummer selection video" would not be fair to the drummers who didn't get the gig and could even be humiliating. It doesn't make much sense.
That is how I would feel about it too. I honestly do not believe that DT will make a drummer video, but if they do, I think it will only be with the chosen drummer.
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It just seems to me that a "drummer selection video" would not be fair to the drummers who didn't get the gig and could even be humiliating. It doesn't make much sense.
I think this too..
unless they are paying all of the drummers involved some big money for this, sooner or later everybody will know the 7 names and at least they took some money from it... altho the problem with it is that DT will not see much money from it
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It just seems to me that a "drummer selection video" would not be fair to the drummers who didn't get the gig and could even be humiliating. It doesn't make much sense.
That is how I would feel about it too. I honestly do not believe that DT will make a drummer video, but if they do, I think it will only be with the chosen drummer.
Metallica showed a bunch of bass players trying out for them in SKOM. Wasn't very insulting. How would it be insulting? Just because they didn't get the gig doesn't mean they weren't good enough to play in DT. They wouldn't have been trying out if they weren't good enough. There can only be 1 drummer though. So it's not insulting that someone doesn't get chosen. It's just the way it has to be.
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People are still arguing with ricky? Sorry, but you all deserve what you get. :)
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It just seems to me that a "drummer selection video" would not be fair to the drummers who didn't get the gig and could even be humiliating. It doesn't make much sense.
I said this 100 pages ago and got shot down. Still think the ones who didn't make it are unlikely to feature. god, they haven't even let out WHO auditioned.
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JR mentioned Minneman auditioned.
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Reason Number 1. He did not respond back. There are most probably two reasons why. The first reason is that he was not online, and therefore unable to post a reply. This i find incriminating, due to the fact that I saw the "online" thing yellow for about two hours after I posted my response, so he most probably saw what I wrote.
Therefore, was it incriminating that I came to the conclusion that he had nothing to say? I put such a conclusion into much more simple terms, which is as follows...
(https://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff421/perpetualjoe/Internets/ricky.jpg)
:lol
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god, they haven't even let out WHO auditioned.
Perhaps they thought it wouldn't be a secret for as long they wanted it to be a secret if they told us who were the seven that auditioned.
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Metallica showed a bunch of bass players trying out for them in SKOM. Wasn't very insulting. How would it be insulting? Just because they didn't get the gig doesn't mean they weren't good enough to play in DT. They wouldn't have been trying out if they weren't good enough. There can only be 1 drummer though. So it's not insulting that someone doesn't get chosen. It's just the way it has to be.
+1 I think with all the painful waiting, we fans deserve a drummer audition video ;D
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It just seems to me that a "drummer selection video" would not be fair to the drummers who didn't get the gig and could even be humiliating. It doesn't make much sense.
That is how I would feel about it too. I honestly do not believe that DT will make a drummer video, but if they do, I think it will only be with the chosen drummer.
Metallica showed a bunch of bass players trying out for them in SKOM. Wasn't very insulting. How would it be insulting? Just because they didn't get the gig doesn't mean they weren't good enough to play in DT. They wouldn't have been trying out if they weren't good enough. There can only be 1 drummer though. So it's not insulting that someone doesn't get chosen. It's just the way it has to be.
^ and it was only a matter of WEEKS until they announced the new bass player! Although in all fairness Jason had left the band over a year (or even several years?) before they even auditioned, so I would assume all the legal kerfuffle related to that matter had been sorted.
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Mike Mangini. Please!
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Mike Mangini. Please!
:omg: Since you are a new user, I of course had to run an IP scan on your account before approving it. And the scan revealed...THAT YOU ARE POSTING FROM MIKE MANGINI'S LIVING ROOM!!!
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Mike Mangini. Please!
:omg: Since you are a new user, I of course had to run an IP scan on your account before approving it. And the scan revealed...THAT YOU ARE POSTING FROM MIKE MANGINI'S LIVING ROOM!!!
(https://www.chaobell.net/newgallery/d/499-1/orly.jpeg)
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Mike Mangini. Please!
:omg: Since you are a new user, I of course had to run an IP scan on your account before approving it. And the scan revealed...THAT YOU ARE POSTING FROM MIKE MANGINI'S LIVING ROOM!!!
;D I've been had!
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Mike Mangini. Please!
:omg: Since you are a new user, I of course had to run an IP scan on your account before approving it. And the scan revealed...THAT YOU ARE POSTING FROM MIKE MANGINI'S LIVING ROOM!!!
WOW... so that only can mean two things.. #1 he is ... or #2 he is mike mangini stalker.
BTW mr bosk!! how did you know it was mike mangini's IP address???
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BTW mr bosk!! how did you know it was mike mangini's IP address???
Because, when I ran the IP scan, it said: "Location: New DT drummer Mike Mangini's living room (or possibly a portion of the Caribbean and sub-Saharan Africa)."
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BTW mr bosk!! how did you know it was mike mangini's IP address???
Because, when I ran the IP scan, it said: "Location: New DT drummer Mike Mangini's living room (or possibly a portion of the Caribbean and sub-Saharan Africa)."
Ok, i thought you were mike mangini stalker too! haha! ;)
It's clear for me now!!!
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Will someone please explain to me,
Why exactly will you be disappointed if it's Mangini?
oh and "insert drummer" > Mangini isn't a reason k?
im just curious.
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I'm pretty sure that whoever it is won't have a ton of input musically, but it's still DT and it's still going to be great. I'll be happy no matter who it is.
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I'm pretty sure that whoever it is won't have a ton of input musically, but it's still DT and it's still going to be great. I'll be happy no matter who it is.
Like none. Not on this album. Let's not forget that it is almost a certainty that in a situation like this a new band member is probationary and will never to get to write anything straight away. He will basically be handed his parts and just told to play them. He can style a little bit with what he is given, but no writing credits or royalties for the new guy until he is made truly permanent. And that can't happen until after a nice long tour, which is what we will have this summer and fall. You don't know someone's long term viability until you tour with them. It's the only relevant stress test. It is my belief that the drum stuff has already been recorded and they are moving on to guitars and keyboards now. Basically the drums are written without the drummer using drum machines, then the drummer just gets to play what is given to him.
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There is no was the rest of the guys tell the new drummer "What to play". Now maybe the songs were done and they fleshed it out with him but telling him what to play is just wrong.
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There is no was the rest of the guys tell the new drummer "What to play". Now maybe the songs were done and they fleshed it out with him but telling him what to play is just wrong.
I doubt DT would ever be like that, but plenty of bands do that. It's sad for a drummer like me. :(
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There is no was the rest of the guys tell the new drummer "What to play". Now maybe the songs were done and they fleshed it out with him but telling him what to play is just wrong.
I doubt DT would ever be like that, but plenty of bands do that. It's sad for a drummer like me. :(
I've read the stories of Cinderella doing just that but this is a bit more technical. They may say, We'd like something like this, but you can't micromanage a DT sound. it's just too hard to do.
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Oh no, I know DT wouldn't be like that.
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I'm pretty sure that whoever it is won't have a ton of input musically, but it's still DT and it's still going to be great. I'll be happy no matter who it is.
Like none. Not on this album. Let's not forget that it is almost a certainty that in a situation like this a new band member is probationary and will never to get to write anything straight away. He will basically be handed his parts and just told to play them. He can style a little bit with what he is given, but no writing credits or royalties for the new guy until he is made truly permanent. And that can't happen until after a nice long tour, which is what we will have this summer and fall. You don't know someone's long term viability until you tour with them. It's the only relevant stress test. It is my belief that the drum stuff has already been recorded and they are moving on to guitars and keyboards now. Basically the drums are written without the drummer using drum machines, then the drummer just gets to play what is given to him.
Not that I'm an expert on these sorts of things, but that seems awfully tough to believe. Your reasoning makes some sense, but I've just seen too many albums in which a new member comes in and the sound is completely changed. To use a drumming example, think of when Scott Travis joined Judas Priest and they released Painkiller--they were back in thrashy stuff and it was a big change from the more hair metal-type stuff Priest did in the 80s. I doubt Travis did that all himself, but you'd think that he had at least something to do with it, since the style was so different.
It was my impression that MP/A7X-style gigs are the exception, not the rule. After all, if the band was really impressed with their new member's writing ability, why wouldn't they be confident in writing with him, regardless of what they knew on the tour?
Plus, isn't Derek credited with a lot of the ACoS revisions and FII stuff? Obviously, he toured prior to that, but even so, MP and JP had some trepidation about him for pretty much the entire time he was in the band (which is why he wasn't made a full member for six months and they ultimately kept trying to get JR). And of course, JR went right to work on SFAM, which had similar secrecy as this album.
Not saying that the drummer necessarily IS taking an active role, but I find it foolish to rule any of these scenarios out.
Plus, if the band is apparently so pumped, I doubt they are really "iffy" about their choice. Think about it--they're pretty much the leading prog metal band in the world right now, so I'd bet a good amount of prog metal drummers aspire to be in DT. It's not like when JLB, Derek, or Jordan joined, when the band wasn't as popular--after all, there was supposedly an audition with seven incredible drummers. Sure, maybe that's somewhat hype, but I think we can all agree that the names who've been thrown out for the past 126 pages are pretty insane talents, whether or not they are the single IDEAL choice. Would we have been discussing Lang, Minnemann, or Mangini if MP had left after FII (and the band had stayed together anyway)? Possibly, but DT may have had to go with a lesser-named or lesser-talented guy, since they weren't at the top of the prog metal heap and had just released what most considered a disappointing album. So if it's someone with such incredible talent (which it almost HAS to be) and the band hand-picked him among seven of the best drummers in the genre, I'd imagine they'd feel pretty secure in at least listening to what the dude had to say with songwriting.
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I'm pretty sure that whoever it is won't have a ton of input musically, but it's still DT and it's still going to be great. I'll be happy no matter who it is.
Like none. Not on this album. Let's not forget that it is almost a certainty that in a situation like this a new band member is probationary and will never to get to write anything straight away. He will basically be handed his parts and just told to play them. He can style a little bit with what he is given, but no writing credits or royalties for the new guy until he is made truly permanent. And that can't happen until after a nice long tour, which is what we will have this summer and fall. You don't know someone's long term viability until you tour with them. It's the only relevant stress test. It is my belief that the drum stuff has already been recorded and they are moving on to guitars and keyboards now. Basically the drums are written without the drummer using drum machines, then the drummer just gets to play what is given to him.
I doubt they are really "iffy" about their choice.
Yup, the say all end all. They know better than us.
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More and more I think DT's intention all along was NOT to name the drummer until after the album
is in the can. It just seems really unlikely that legalities could/would be the primary reason for such
a long delay. April 8th will be 7 months. If lawyers can't iron out a situation involving a drummer
in a rock band in 7 months I would be very surprised. Peace treaties bewteen countries take less time.
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More and more I think DT's intention all along was NOT to name the drummer until after the album
is in the can. It just seems really unlikely that legalities could/would be the primary reason for such
a long delay. April 8th will be 7 months. If lawyers can't iron out a situation involving a drummer
in a rock band in 7 months I would be very surprised. Peace treaties bewteen countries take less time.
True, but then why did they initially say they'd announce the drummer as soon as they made a decision? Or all this "It'll be soon" stuff? You'd think they could just say "We want it to be a secret, and you'll know when the album is out."
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More and more I think DT's intention all along was NOT to name the drummer until after the album
is in the can. It just seems really unlikely that legalities could/would be the primary reason for such
a long delay. April 8th will be 7 months. If lawyers can't iron out a situation involving a drummer
in a rock band in 7 months I would be very surprised. Peace treaties bewteen countries take less time.
True, but then why did they initially say they'd announce the drummer as soon as they made a decision? Or all this "It'll be soon" stuff? You'd think they could just say "We want it to be a secret, and you'll know when the album is out."
When did they say they'd announce the drummer as soon as they made a decision?
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There is no was the rest of the guys tell the new drummer "What to play". Now maybe the songs were done and they fleshed it out with him but telling him what to play is just wrong.
I doubt DT would ever be like that, but plenty of bands do that. It's sad for a drummer like me. :(
I've read the stories of Cinderella doing just that but this is a bit more technical. They may say, We'd like something like this, but you can't micromanage a DT sound. it's just too hard to do.
The difference being that Coury wasn't very good, so they always had to bring in a session drummer to lay down their drum tracks, and they just had him learn them to be able to tour with them.
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More and more I think DT's intention all along was NOT to name the drummer until after the album
is in the can. It just seems really unlikely that legalities could/would be the primary reason for such
a long delay. April 8th will be 7 months. If lawyers can't iron out a situation involving a drummer
in a rock band in 7 months I would be very surprised. Peace treaties bewteen countries take less time.
True, but then why did they initially say they'd announce the drummer as soon as they made a decision? Or all this "It'll be soon" stuff? You'd think they could just say "We want it to be a secret, and you'll know when the album is out."
When did they say they'd announce the drummer as soon as they made a decision?
Can't find it right now, but one of the band members definitely said it around the time the whole seven drummer audition news was broken--sometime in Oct. if I recall. I think it was Rudess who said it, although I'm not entirely sure. I definitely remember the line to the effect of "You will know as soon as we do," and my memory doesn't normally fail me on things like that...anyone else know specifics here?
EDIT: Got it. Rudess' twitter on Oct. 7: "Dream Theater will be having closed/private auditions for our new drummer this month. We will let u all know the moment we make a decision!"
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There is no was the rest of the guys tell the new drummer "What to play". Now maybe the songs were done and they fleshed it out with him but telling him what to play is just wrong.
I doubt DT would ever be like that, but plenty of bands do that. It's sad for a drummer like me. :(
I've read the stories of Cinderella doing just that but this is a bit more technical. They may say, We'd like something like this, but you can't micromanage a DT sound. it's just too hard to do.
The difference being that Coury wasn't very good, so they always had to bring in a session drummer to lay down their drum tracks, and they just had him learn them to be able to tour with them.
I do remember that too. Strange times in the 80's where producers had power.
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I do remember that too. Strange times in the 80's where producers had power.
oh it still happens. even today.
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Haha Rudess meant, they'll announce they made a decision, not tecnically who It is.
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I do remember that too. Strange times in the 80's where producers had power.
oh it still happens. even today.
I do understand but I'd venture it's a bit harder to micromanage a DT song. Ideas and thoughts while working with them....yes. Total control on what the drummer plays.....no. I think Mike was the micro manager and they be a bit more free in the studio. That's my guess.
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I do understand but I'd venture it's a bit harder to micromanage a DT song.
Well, Kevin Shirley sure gave it a shot :biggrin:
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I do understand but I'd venture it's a bit harder to micromanage a DT song.
Well, Kevin Shirley sure gave it a shot :biggrin:
:lol
Though, I think it was more pressure from the record company. Kevin was trying to have them record in a different way sonically.
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More and more I think DT's intention all along was NOT to name the drummer until after the album
is in the can. It just seems really unlikely that legalities could/would be the primary reason for such
a long delay. April 8th will be 7 months. If lawyers can't iron out a situation involving a drummer
in a rock band in 7 months I would be very surprised. Peace treaties bewteen countries take less time.
True, but then why did they initially say they'd announce the drummer as soon as they made a decision? Or all this "It'll be soon" stuff? You'd think they could just say "We want it to be a secret, and you'll know when the album is out."
When did they say they'd announce the drummer as soon as they made a decision?
Can't find it right now, but one of the band members definitely said it around the time the whole seven drummer audition news was broken--sometime in Oct. if I recall. I think it was Rudess who said it, although I'm not entirely sure. I definitely remember the line to the effect of "You will know as soon as we do," and my memory doesn't normally fail me on things like that...anyone else know specifics here?
EDIT: Got it. Rudess' twitter on Oct. 7: "Dream Theater will be having closed/private auditions for our new drummer this month. We will let u all know the moment we make a decision!"
Doesn't that mean they will let us know the minute they have chosen a drummer (which they did), not necessarily telling us who the drummer is though. That's how I interepreted it. :)
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More and more I think DT's intention all along was NOT to name the drummer until after the album
is in the can. It just seems really unlikely that legalities could/would be the primary reason for such
a long delay. April 8th will be 7 months. If lawyers can't iron out a situation involving a drummer
in a rock band in 7 months I would be very surprised. Peace treaties bewteen countries take less time.
True, but then why did they initially say they'd announce the drummer as soon as they made a decision? Or all this "It'll be soon" stuff? You'd think they could just say "We want it to be a secret, and you'll know when the album is out."
When did they say they'd announce the drummer as soon as they made a decision?
Can't find it right now, but one of the band members definitely said it around the time the whole seven drummer audition news was broken--sometime in Oct. if I recall. I think it was Rudess who said it, although I'm not entirely sure. I definitely remember the line to the effect of "You will know as soon as we do," and my memory doesn't normally fail me on things like that...anyone else know specifics here?
EDIT: Got it. Rudess' twitter on Oct. 7: "Dream Theater will be having closed/private auditions for our new drummer this month. We will let u all know the moment we make a decision!"
Doesn't that mean they will let us know the minute they have chosen a drummer (which they did), not necessarily telling us who the drummer is though. That's how I interepreted it. :)
Hmm...I see how you could interpret it that way, I suppose. Seems kind of weird for them to say that, though. I mean, Rudess had to know that the DT fans largely don't care WHEN the decision is made, so much as WHO wins. It just seems odd to me. And still, why wouldn't they just say "You'll know when the album comes out?"
The two common statements we've seen since auditions ended are "You'll know soon enough" and "You'll get why when it's announced." If it was simply going to be that they were going to release the drummer's name with the album, then just saying so would allow DT to a) tell fans WHEN and b) tell fans WHY. The fact that they haven't simply said so makes me believe that something else is going on, that the announcement time is more fluid, and that the reasons are deeper than the band simply deciding on a time. Not that I have any idea of what those reasons are, because there've been plenty of good arguments about why it isn't legal stuff and so on already, and it seems like we've ruled out just about every possibility, or at least deemed them all unlikely.
Given all the unrest in the fanbase, it just seems like if there was an easy way for DT to let the fans know further information (like specifics of time/reason/etc.) they would've done so by now. But, as they say, time will tell. All we can hope for at this point is that there WAS a damn good reason, that the drummer is good, and that the album will kick ass.
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An abbreviated version of the previous post:
They want to tell us the new drummer. but due to some [most likely] legal reason, can't.
i honestly am more interested in having that scenario confirmed, rather than having mangini revealed.
edit typo
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New JR/DT update on FB: "After spending the day today in the studio with the band, i must report that you guys better be good and ready for when this album comes out, because IT- is gonna blow your mind! I'm really excited about what we are creating!"
;D
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:caffeine:
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:corn :corn :corn I can't frickin' wait. They seem to be genuinely excited.
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And we'll see YOU. On the road. :metal
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New JR/DT update on FB: "After spending the day today in the studio with the band, i must report that you guys better be good and ready for when this album comes out, because IT- is gonna blow your mind! I'm really excited about what we are creating!"
;D
I know they try their best in the situation to keep the excitement afloat, but at this point I think they need to up the ante a bit. I.e. post a small video or something.
rumborak
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New JR/DT update on FB: "After spending the day today in the studio with the band, i must report that you guys better be good and ready for when this album comes out, because IT- is gonna blow your mind! I'm really excited about what we are creating!"
;D
Jordan giving us hints, the new album will be called IT :P Cannot fooking wait for this album.
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Heh, yep, maybe IT is the abbreviation. Let the speculation begin! :metal
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Infinite topology
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A short video would be great actually. Doesn't need to show the drummer. Hell, doesn't even need to have drums. Just JP playing a guitar riff by himself, or JR doing a keyboard part, or something. I'd be happy with that. :)
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A short video would be great actually. Doesn't need to show the drummer. Hell, doesn't even need to have drums. Just JP playing a guitar riff by himself, or JR doing a keyboard part, or something. I'd be happy with that. :)
Actually a short clip of them jamming where we can HEAR the drummer but not see him would be amazing; the speculation would be through the roof.
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A short video would be great actually. Doesn't need to show the drummer. Hell, doesn't even need to have drums. Just JP playing a guitar riff by himself, or JR doing a keyboard part, or something. I'd be happy with that. :)
Actually a short clip of them jamming where we can HEAR the drummer but not see him would be amazing; the speculation would be through the roof.
Dare I say forum crash as a result? :P
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A short video would be great actually. Doesn't need to show the drummer. Hell, doesn't even need to have drums. Just JP playing a guitar riff by himself, or JR doing a keyboard part, or something. I'd be happy with that. :)
Actually a short clip of them jamming where we can HEAR the drummer but not see him would be amazing; the speculation would be through the roof.
I'd love this.
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New JR/DT update on FB: "After spending the day today in the studio with the band, i must report that you guys better be good and ready for when this album comes out, because IT- is gonna blow your mind! I'm really excited about what we are creating!"
;D
Wow!
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A short video would be great actually. Doesn't need to show the drummer. Hell, doesn't even need to have drums. Just JP playing a guitar riff by himself, or JR doing a keyboard part, or something. I'd be happy with that. :)
Actually a short clip of them jamming where we can HEAR the drummer but not see him would be amazing; the speculation would be through the roof.
I'd love this.
This. That would really raise interest in the new drummer again.
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A short video would be great actually. Doesn't need to show the drummer. Hell, doesn't even need to have drums. Just JP playing a guitar riff by himself, or JR doing a keyboard part, or something. I'd be happy with that. :)
Yes, but if you give a mouse a cookie......
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Yes, but if you give a mouse a cookie......
It will probably die.
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A short video would be great actually. Doesn't need to show the drummer. Hell, doesn't even need to have drums. Just JP playing a guitar riff by himself, or JR doing a keyboard part, or something. I'd be happy with that. :)
Actually a short clip of them jamming where we can HEAR the drummer but not see him would be amazing; the speculation would be through the roof.
I'd love this.
This. That would really raise interest in the new drummer again.
Guys, let's just keep this demand going until JLB tweets something about this :D
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I'm sure that it would be futile.
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It's official.... more than 24 hours without a post in this thread....
The excitement and interest about DT new drummer is gone...... Now is just a matter of time until the unexpected surprise is revealed....
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The excitement and interest about DT new drummer is gone...
since when? ???
more than 24 hours without a post in this thread....
Thank God.
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It's official.... more than 24 hours without a post in this thread....
You ruined it.
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It's official.... more than 24 hours without a post in this thread....
You ruined it.
Hehehehe, I´m sorry.... let´s aim for 48 hours!
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OK. Let's do it.
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inb4 a flood of combo-breakers.
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Yep the votes are changing. so lame
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Yep the votes are changing. so lame
We aren't allowed to change votes, so what are you talking about?
Even if we could change votes why is it lame for people to change their opinion on who they think will be the new drummer?
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Yep the votes are changing. so lame
We aren't allowed to change votes, so what are you talking about?
Even if we could change votes why is it lame for people to change their opinion on who they think will be the new drummer?
mangini wasnt in the 90s last i checked. but im glad the change function is gone.
and the thread is called 'place your bets' aka you cant change every time some new info surfaces
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Yep the votes are changing. so lame
We aren't allowed to change votes, so what are you talking about?
Even if we could change votes why is it lame for people to change their opinion on who they think will be the new drummer?
mangini wasnt in the 90s last i checked. but im glad the change function is gone.
and the thread is called 'place your bets' aka you cant change every time some new info surfaces
I'm not changing my bet. I'm still rooting for Marco!
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I think it would be better to have the ability to change votes. If Mangini were to out of the blue announce that he was not in fact the drummer, we'd still have however many votes for him still up there, making the poll virtually useless as a tool to see who was really in the lead. I think the point of this thread wasn't to plug your vote in the very beginning and pray that who you voted for didn't get ruled out, but rather to follow the evidence about the new drummer and change your vote as needed to reflect your own personal opinion as it changed.
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Perhaps Mangini got more votes because.. *gasp* more people voted who hadn't yet?
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I'm not changing my bet. I'm still rooting for Marco!
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Same. Go Marco!!
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Yep the votes are changing. so lame
We aren't allowed to change votes, so what are you talking about?
Even if we could change votes why is it lame for people to change their opinion on who they think will be the new drummer?
mangini wasnt in the 90s last i checked. but im glad the change function is gone.
and the thread is called 'place your bets' aka you cant change every time some new info surfaces
That happened quite some time ago, though, so if numbers went up it's because of new votes only.
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I think it would be better to have the ability to change votes. If Mangini were to out of the blue announce that he was not in fact the drummer, we'd still have however many votes for him still up there, making the poll virtually useless as a tool to see who was really in the lead. I think the point of this thread wasn't to plug your vote in the very beginning and pray that who you voted for didn't get ruled out, but rather to follow the evidence about the new drummer and change your vote as needed to reflect your own personal opinion as it changed.
no not really. then those voter's bet was wrong. over. seeya
i voted for marco, anyway
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Probably means nothing, but JP's twitter update has a picture. The thing says drums, bass, taurus.
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the only thing i can think of are Taurus foot pedals. rush uses them. like synths for the feet
(https://www.ihavesynth.com/sites/ihavesynth.com/files/blog/images/moog_taurus-bass.jpg?1270035778)
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Geddy Lee uses those
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If DT started using Taurus pedals, that would be really sweet.
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Probably means nothing, but JP's twitter update has a picture. The thing says drums, bass, taurus.
hmm ;) interesting, so that means that the drummer *cough* mangini *cough* has been with them all the time?
PS i voted for lang, mangini will be cool though :metal
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I think it would be better to have the ability to change votes. If Mangini were to out of the blue announce that he was not in fact the drummer, we'd still have however many votes for him still up there, making the poll virtually useless as a tool to see who was really in the lead. I think the point of this thread wasn't to plug your vote in the very beginning and pray that who you voted for didn't get ruled out, but rather to follow the evidence about the new drummer and change your vote as needed to reflect your own personal opinion as it changed.
no not really. then those voter's bet was wrong. over. seeya
i voted for marco, anyway
nah, he makes sense.
we know more now then we did when this poll started, which in turn dictates our opinion, brotherman.
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If DT started using Taurus pedals, that would be really sweet.
They won't.
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i still don't believe mangini is the permanent replacement
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No matter if it's Mangini or not, I'm beginning to think they are waiting until they can release their single, so people can judge the new drummer a bit more fairly.
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I'm guessing we get a single before a name.
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i wouldnt mind that. its new music. people cant bitch or close their mind to the song based on the name before they hear it. etc. and we would probably be able to guess by the style
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Might as well. We've waited this long.
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I just hope that when the announcement is made, we get a reason why it took so long. Obviously the band has known for some time who the drummer is, and they obviously really want to tell us. I hope they say something like "the problem was label issues" or "the drummer had contractual obligations to fulfill that prevented us from announcing it." It seems like they've had the guy for like four months; there has to be a reason why they didn't tell us sooner, and I would like to know what it is.
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I just hope that when the announcement is made, we get a reason why it took so long.
Good point. Me too.
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i still don't believe mangini is the permanent replacement
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i still don't believe mangini is the permanent replacement
It's not so much that he IS the permanent replacement, but certainly the most likely given what we do and do not know. Nothing is set in stone.
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If DT started using Taurus pedals, that would be really sweet.
They won't.
You seem like you know this for sure...which you don't. Anything that adds synth, I approve of.
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Why was Kevin Moore not included in the polling options? Somebody's slipping.
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Why was Kevin Moore not included in the polling options? Somebody's slipping.
He was, initially, because I liked the idea of KevMo coming back and giving Mike an aneurysm.
Then it got loads of votes, skewing the results of the poll, and it wasn't until then that I remembered that actually, people do that on every poll and it's always exactly the same, making it a bit of a rubbish joke. So I changed it to "Actual Real-Life Jesus." It's going to change again in a minute.
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Can we add Rebecca Black to the poll option?
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Can we add Rebecca Black to the poll option?
No. She needs to concentrate on her solo works.
...Until she gets them right.
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She's collaborating with MP's solo album.
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The greatest thing would be if they actually announced the new drummer today, a bunch of DT fans came here looking for information about it, and saw this.
:lol
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:rollin That would be AMAZING!
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https://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=66812
https://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=66817
Meh, sort of funny. :D
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At this point there isn't really any major event lined up before The concerts in summer, are there? I'm wondering whether they will really wait until then.
rumborak
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At this point there isn't really any major event lined up before The concerts in summer, are there? I'm wondering whether they will really wait until then.
rumborak
I remember you from the Portnoy forums.
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Why was our ability to change our vote taken away?
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At this point i think it's just Jordan using drum sounds on his keyboard.
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Hopefully in the style of this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs3kxzPYwHc
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I bet on Wildoer... but if Richard Christy replaced Portnoy...amazing! :xbones
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christy is not gonna give up his howard stern job haha
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I have a feeling the band is just fucking with fans now. They probably get a laugh out of our obsessiveness.
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Hm, you think that Mike Portnoy has finished drums for the new DT album? :) I don't know... it would be good news, but honestly I don't understand the idea of that jokesn ;)
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Hm, you think that Mike Portnoy has finished drums for the new DT album? :) I don't know... it would be good news, but honestly I don't understand the idea of that jokesn ;)
Huh?? Portnoy isn't in the band.
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I know that Portnoy isn't in the band :) it was a speculation in a post above mine, that DT is joking around about Portnoy's leaving ;) and I said, that I don't understand that kind of jokes ;)
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Actually I think the post was implying the band is just having a laugh at everyone freaking out, wondering who the new drummer is, and the general rampant speculation. Not entirely serious about the implication, I'm sure. I don't think it was implying Portnoy has been with the band the whole time.
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I meant that the new drummer has been with them for weeks now and the guys are getting off on not telling us.
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I'm just happy that they're getting close to finishing recording.
When Metallica lost Jason, it was 2 years before they even started auditioning.
But with DT, the drummer and founder member leaves the band and less than a year later
they've got a new drummer, and recorded a new album.
This is why I love DT. They just get on with it. They don't sit around for two years doing nothing.
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They just get on with it. They don't sit around for two years doing nothing.
1/5 of DT was in favor of that.
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They just get on with it. They don't sit around for two years doing nothing.
1/5 of DT was in favor of that.
1/5th who was in so many side projects that he couldn't handle the workload and wanted the rest of the band to stop working just for him.
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They just get on with it. They don't sit around for two years doing nothing.
1/5 of DT was in favor of that.
1/5th who was in so many side projects that he couldn't handle the workload and wanted the rest of the band to stop working just for him.
I fu**ing hate this type of comments. Did you not read what MP said? He could handle all of it, he was just getting tired of DT specifically. If it was a workload problem he would have left the side projects, not "his baby".
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They just get on with it. They don't sit around for two years doing nothing.
1/5 of DT was in favor of that.
1/5th who was in so many side projects that he couldn't handle the workload and wanted the rest of the band to stop working just for him.
Did you not read what MP said? He could handle all of it, he was just getting tired of DT specifically.
Then MP did the right thing by quitting the band. Expecting everyone else to stop indefinitely was ludicrous.
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They just get on with it. They don't sit around for two years doing nothing.
1/5 of DT was in favor of that.
1/5th who was in so many side projects that he couldn't handle the workload and wanted the rest of the band to stop working just for him.
Did you not read what MP said? He could handle all of it, he was just getting tired of DT specifically.
Then MP did the right thing by quitting the band. Expecting everyone else to stop indefinitely was ludicrous.
He did. As far as what he expected from the rest, I think he felt everyone else was burned as he was, but it was not the case.
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He did. As far as what he expected from the rest, I think he felt everyone else was burned as he was, but it was not the case.
Exactly.
Some of the comments on this page are ridiculous.
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I wasn't being serious with my post. Sorry for causing some hostility.
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Then MP did the right thing by quitting the band. Expecting everyone else to stop indefinitely was ludicrous.
This is pretty much what I meant.
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Remember when we were all hoping for a Thanksgiving announcement....then a Christmas morning announcement.....then a New Year's announcement.........???
At least the new cd is getting finished up!
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Remember when we were all hoping for a Thanksgiving announcement....then a Christmas morning announcement.....then a New Year's announcement.........???
At least the new cd is getting finished up!
Dont rule out palm Sunday announcement or Easter announcement out yet.
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Remember when we were all hoping for a Thanksgiving announcement....then a Christmas morning announcement.....then a New Year's announcement.........???
At least the new cd is getting finished up!
Dont rule out palm Sunday announcement or Easter announcement out yet.
Hum.. i don't think DT members or RR on that matter knows what palm sunday is.. maybe petrucci.
Easter could be.
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Remember when we were all hoping for a Thanksgiving announcement....then a Christmas morning announcement.....then a New Year's announcement.........???
At least the new cd is getting finished up!
Dont rule out palm Sunday announcement or Easter announcement out yet.
Hum.. i don't think DT members or RR on that matter knows what palm sunday is.. maybe petrucci.
Easter could be.
You seriously believe that no Christians work at Roadrunner?
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Whenever it is, you can be certain it won't be at the weekend. Record label staff, publicists, journalists, and web site maintainers don't normally work on Sundays...
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You seriously believe that no Christians work at Roadrunner?
The rapidity with which rumors spread in a church and at Blabbermouth is eerily similar.
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Remember when we were all hoping for a Thanksgiving announcement....then a Christmas morning announcement.....then a New Year's announcement.........???
At least the new cd is getting finished up!
Dont rule out palm Sunday announcement or Easter announcement out yet.
Hum.. i don't think DT members or RR on that matter knows what palm sunday is.. maybe petrucci.
Easter could be.
You seriously believe that no Christians work at Roadrunner?
Not at all, just saying in the USA palm sunday is not a well known day if you are not an every sunday "catholic church" guy. Catholic church is not the most popular christian denomination in usa.
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So, I think I read on this thread...somewhere...lol. That Lang was out? That would make sense seeing Portnoy's meeting him in Belgium in the next day or too for a drum festival.
https://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/mikeportnoyofficial/posts/207192662631717
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Not at all, just saying in the USA palm sunday is not a well known day if you are not an every sunday "catholic church" guy. Catholic church is not the most popular christian denomination in usa.
Not really true. I have worshiped in Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, and Pentecostal churches, and each of them observed Palm Sunday.
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Not at all, just saying in the USA palm sunday is not a well known day if you are not an every sunday "catholic church" guy. Catholic church is not the most popular christian denomination in usa.
Not really true. I have worshiped in Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, and Pentecostal churches, and each of them observed Palm Sunday.
I think catholicism is the most common denomination in the US.
The others when combined under the umbrella of Protestants are more numerous, but not separately.
I really could care less though. I was raised catholic and have no idea when palm Sunday would be.
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I....have no idea when palm Sunday would be.
It's when the girlfriend is away for the weekend.... :yarr
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Wait a minute. Are we discussing the potential new drummer or religion in here? If so, doesn't it belong to the Political and Religious sub-forum?
B.Lee
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I....have no idea when palm Sunday would be.
It's when the girlfriend is away for the weekend.... :yarr
:icy:
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I was raised catholic and have no idea when palm Sunday would be.
I thought Catholics educated their own a little better than that. Palm Sunday is the Sunday before Easter.
*no more religion talk*
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meh, like i said before, i trust the guys in dt to make the right decision. no matter who it is, i'll accept it.
unless its like travis barker or something.
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I was raised catholic and have no idea when palm Sunday would be.
I thought Catholics educated their own a little better than that. Palm Sunday is the Sunday before Easter.
*no more religion talk*
dvargas is special.
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hold on html mess up.
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*no more religion talk*
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I was raised catholic and have no idea when palm Sunday would be.
I thought Catholics educated their own a little better than that. Palm Sunday is the Sunday before Easter.
*no more religion talk*
How fn nice. A "moderator" insulting a member of the community.
As I said before I could give a rat's ass about religion.
... I guess back to Mangini now.
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I was raised catholic and have no idea when palm Sunday would be.
I thought Catholics educated their own a little better than that. Palm Sunday is the Sunday before Easter.
*no more religion talk*
dvargas is special.
Thank u sweetie. I love u too.
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Who insulted who?
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Then who was insult?
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I was raised catholic and have no idea when palm Sunday would be.
I thought Catholics educated their own a little better than that. Palm Sunday is the Sunday before Easter.
*no more religion talk*
How fn nice. A "moderator" insulting a member of the community.
As I said before I could give a rat's ass about religion.
... I guess back to Mangini now.
hefdaddy never insulted you. nothing he said could be interpreted as "insulting".
if you want to make a religion related post, post it in the "religion and politics" forum.
EDIT - Well, to be exact, the "Political and Religious" forum. clicky - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?board=8.0
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Can we quit all this thread derailing shit? Like half or more of the past 2 pages (including this one) have been off topic crap.
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Can we quit all this thread derailing shit? Like half or more of the past 2 pages (including this one) have been off topic crap.
and how does this post contribute to the topic?
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Back to the topic.
I wanted to vote for Steven Adler , but didn't see him on the list.
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I really could care less though.
It's nice that you show some interest in religion.
As I said before I could give a rat's ass about religion.
Awesome. But to be honest and using the correct idiom, I couldn't give a rat's ass.
hold on html mess up.
ITS BBCODE NOT HTML AAAAAAAAAAAA
nerdrage end, thank you all
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lolthreadviewcount. Only just noticed that o__0
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"couldn't" would be the right idiom - you're right. My bad.
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Seriously. This thread should just be closed. Nothing new has been discussed in over 100 pages
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Back to the topic.
I wanted to vote for Steven Adler , but didn't see him on the list.
Lol, that would be nice...what would happened with Lamb Of God then?
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Back to the topic.
I wanted to vote for Steven Adler , but didn't see him on the list.
Lol, that would be nice...what would happened with Lamb Of God then?
Steven Adler used to drum for Guns N Roses.
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Lol, i switched names :facepalm: Chris... :rollin
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Back to the topic.
I wanted to vote for Steven Adler , but didn't see him on the list.
Lol, that would be nice...what would happened with Lamb Of God then?
Steven Adler used to drum for Guns N Roses.
And he's going back to his second stint in celebrity Rehab...!!
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Jordan uploaded a picture with Wetton & Marco Minnemann at a UK concert. It's just strange to see Minnemann & Ruddess together, without knowing who the drummer of DT is!
(https://static.ow.ly/photos/original/agj0.jpg)
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Gosh, JR looks so much like a small red x these days.
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Jordan uploaded a picture with Wetton & Marco Minnemann at a UK concert. It's just strange to see Minnemann & Ruddess together, without knowing who the drummer of DT is!
(https://ow.ly/i/agj0)
idk. maybe im wrong, but to me that further solidifies that it's not minnemann. dt have definitely been going out of their way to keep this drummer thing hush hush, so for jordan publicly playing with him says to me it's not the guy.
jr definitely realizes the speculation that would occur from playing with him.
edit grammar
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idk. maybe im wrong, but to me that further solidifies that it's not minnemann. dt have definitely been going out of their way to keep this drummer thing hush hush, so for jordan publicly playing with him says to me it's not the guy.
jr definitely realizes the speculation that would occur from playing with him.
Pretty sure that JR was just attending the show which MM was performing at. They haven't played together since the MMM.
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idk. maybe im wrong, but to me that further solidifies that it's not minnemann. dt have definitely been going out of their way to keep this drummer thing hush hush, so for jordan publicly playing with him says to me it's not the guy.
jr definitely realizes the speculation that would occur from playing with him.
Pretty sure that JR was just attending the show which MM was performing at. They haven't played together since the MMM.
ooops, my bad.
well, still, even that could generate some speculation. that and the fact that they played together a little while ago.
idk, i just dont think its him.
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I was raised catholic and have no idea when palm Sunday would be.
I thought Catholics educated their own a little better than that. Palm Sunday is the Sunday before Easter.
*no more religion talk*
How fn nice. A "moderator" insulting a member of the community.
As I said before I could give a rat's ass about religion.
... I guess back to Mangini now.
I didn't insult you. But whatever.
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Mangini has got so tired of people posting on his facebook about Dream Theater that he's disabled being able to leave comments on his status' and posting on his wall. About an hour ago we were in a discussion about Pat Travers, next thing you know people are posting saying Congrats and well done on the DT gig and stuff, he asked "Congrats for what? Stop posting off topic". But people kept saying well done so he's disabled it. Sheesh.
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I'd do the same thing.
But, maybe he is or isn't the drummer, if he auditioned maybe he's just playing around, going with the game of "are you the drummer?" (Say in voice of bird in "are you my mother?")
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I'm still hoping it's Marco. I've been watching vids of him with Gilbert on YT all month!
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Does anyone have a link to Mangini's facebook page? I can never find his real one..
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https://www.facebook.com/#!/michael.mangini (https://www.facebook.com/#!/michael.mangini) I believe he's maxed out his friends though.
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2 things:
I did a search and couldn't find this posted. Mangini's new website will be up in May .... :-\
Also... I'm sure that this had been discussed -- though I want to know. It states that Mangini has already played with Dream Theater as with the band and dual drumming with MP. Can anyone tell me when /what / how?
thx
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^he played as a guest one time, it has been discussed before. :tup
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(https://twitpic.com/show/large/4kiw9z)
MP & Thomas Lang
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Still waiting for "when the time is right"
I guess "when the time is right" means sometime between when the album is done and their first show.
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Still waiting for "when the time is right"
I guess "when the time is right" means sometime between when the album is done and their first show.
I expect it sometime in the second week of May. Possibly the first week, but May 9th is my bet.
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I don't expect anything anymore. That way, the announcement will come as a positive surprise.
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I am so sick of this thread lol
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I am so sick of this thread lol
I know. It's just going to keep growing and growing and DT will never announce the new drummer and eventually the weight of the thread will be too much, and it'll form a black hole, and that will suck the earth into oblivion. Then there will be nothing left but dust (and the moon which inexplicably escaped the catastrophe), and a few tons of garbage and a Russian in a space station wondering what the fuck just happened, because he prefers country and hasn't even heard of DT. And one day aliens will arrive from another galaxy (the Russian will be long dead by then, of course) and they'll look at the black hole where all of our petty human lives once were until the day they trembled and collapsed like ruptured gossamer, and they'll see something deep inside the abyss, something indestructible that has somehow survived untold millennia of incredible gravitational forces, and their scientists will retrieve it and gaze on it with awe and horror; the one thing left behind to speak dumbly of the long-lost story of humanity.
And it'll be this fucking thread.
And a burned CD of 'Friday'.
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I am so sick of this thread lol
I know. It's just going to keep growing and growing and DT will never announce the new drummer and eventually the weight of the thread will be too much, and it'll form a black hole, and that will suck the earth into oblivion. Then there will be nothing left but dust (and the moon which inexplicably escaped the catastrophe), and a few tons of garbage and a Russian in a space station wondering what the fuck just happened, because he prefers country and hasn't even heard of DT. And one day aliens will arrive from another galaxy (the Russian will be long dead by then, of course) and they'll look at the black hole where all of our petty human lives once were until the day they trembled and collapsed like ruptured gossamer, and they'll see something deep inside the abyss, something indestructible that has somehow survived untold millennia of incredible gravitational forces, and their scientists will retrieve it and gaze on it with awe and horror; the one thing left behind to speak dumbly of the long-lost story of humanity.
And it'll be this fucking thread.
And a burned CD of 'Friday'.
:lol
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Possibility of announcement on 5/8?
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Possibility of announcement on 5/8?
None. It's Sunday. And we know the announcement will come on Friday! Friday!
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It'll, guaranteed, to be announced after the album is done. Its simple buisness if ya think bout it. Back to the old way that is.
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Seriously,
WTF are they waiting for with announcing the drummer at this point? Will it increase sales by waiting? What's the logic? Spit it out already! Jesus H
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Eh. I'm surprised everyone hasn't lost interest already. I was really really excited when the split up first happened, then it was funny when they kept putting off the announcement. Now I realize I haven't thought about it or even posted here in a long time.
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nah, i don't think they are deliberately keeping the name from us. i stick by what i said about legal issues contributing to the delay. If they do decide to announce the drummer till after the album is out, it would probably only be because they got the greenlight to do it right before release, then simply decided to wait.
the only other reason, which is probably less likely, is that they might be withholding the name till right before the albums release, then announcing it, subsequently creating a huge publicity buzz and thus boosting the sale of the new album due to intense curiousity. like i said though, unlikely.
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Possibility of announcement on 5/8?
Nah, probably at DT.net.
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Announce it at the same time as release, BOOM instant massive press for the new album
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Possibility of announcement on 5/8?
Nah, probably at DT.net.
lol
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Still waiting for "when the time is right"
I guess "when the time is right" means sometime between when the album is done and their first show.
I expect it sometime in the second week of May. Possibly the first week, but May 9th is my bet.
You've solved the puzzle! Kevin Smith is going to announce it during the launch of S.I.R.
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Announce it at the same time as release, BOOM instant massive press for the new album
I'm pretty sure that's their plan.
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the only other reason, which is probably less likely, is that they might be withholding the name till right before the albums release, then announcing it, subsequently creating a huge publicity buzz and thus boosting the sale of the new album due to intense curiousity. like i said though, unlikely.
You do realize that no-one outside DT's hardcore fanbase cares about this drummer situation. Unless the consumer is specifically a fan of the chosen replacement, the announcement will barely affect album sales.
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the only other reason, which is probably less likely, is that they might be withholding the name till right before the albums release, then announcing it, subsequently creating a huge publicity buzz and thus boosting the sale of the new album due to intense curiousity. like i said though, unlikely.
You do realize that no-one outside DT's hardcore fanbase cares about this drummer situation. Unless the consumer is specifically a fan of the chosen replacement, the announcement will barely affect album sales.
while non-dt fans may not "care", they certainly are curious - which will certainly tack on a few more thousand sales, at least.
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Possibility of announcement on 5/8?
Nah, probably at DT.net.
lol
I knew it would be you.
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They are probably not going to announce it, at least, until after JLB is done with the vocals. He starts recording on April 18th.
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Possibility of announcement on 5/8?
Nah, probably at DT.net.
lol
I knew it would be you.
I was so very tempted, FYI
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I have officially given up caring when the announcement will be. Didn't think that would happen a couple of months ago but you can keep people hanging too long and they have certainly done that.
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I have officially given up caring when the announcement will be. Didn't think that would happen a couple of months ago but you can keep people hanging too long and they have certainly done that.
hm. well you say you dont care,
yet you logged on to a dt forum and posted in a thread regarding the new drummer situation saying you don't care.
i politely disagree about your not caring. cuz if you didnt', you wouldnt be looking at this thread.
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Possibility of announcement on 5/8?
Nah, probably at DT.net.
lol
I knew it would be you.
:lol I appreciated it because I thought of the same joke but chickened out.
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hey ricky, i heard the new drummer is conky.
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I hear it was Thomas Lang.
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I have officially given up caring when the announcement will be. Didn't think that would happen a couple of months ago but you can keep people hanging too long and they have certainly done that.
hm. well you say you dont care,
yet you logged on to a dt forum and posted in a thread regarding the new drummer situation saying you don't care.
i politely disagree about your not caring. cuz if you didnt', you wouldnt be looking at this thread.
He probably doesn't care about your disagreeing, either.
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I have officially given up caring when the announcement will be. Didn't think that would happen a couple of months ago but you can keep people hanging too long and they have certainly done that.
hm. well you say you dont care,
yet you logged on to a dt forum and posted in a thread regarding the new drummer situation saying you don't care.
i politely disagree about your not caring. cuz if you didnt', you wouldnt be looking at this thread.
He probably doesn't care about your disagreeing, either.
On a related note, I don't even care whether I myself care. That's how frustrated I am about the whole situation :angry:
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First time I have checked the thread in a month. That's how little I currently care.
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had to join just to be a part of this thread. i can die peacefully now.
first post. dont know or care who the new drummer is gonna be, but i'd bet the next album is going to be killer.
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Don't want the drummer announced without being in on this thread.
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I wasn't very familiar with mangini but have checked several videos over the past 6 months. The one thing I've found is that his cymbal work doesn't seem that strong. If this is true segments like the instrrumental section in Nee Millenium are going to make me miss MP a lot.
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I wasn't very familiar with mangini but have checked several videos over the past 6 months. The one thing I've found is that his cymbal work doesn't seem that strong. If this is true segments like the instrrumental section in Nee Millenium are going to make me miss MP a lot.
miss who?
ok guys have we realized that even though they havent make any official statements, we are really close to the first tour date? so logically it not gonna take more than 2 months more! otherwise it will be reallllly stupid been on tour with buckethead on drumms!
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I have officially given up caring when the announcement will be. Didn't think that would happen a couple of months ago but you can keep people hanging too long and they have certainly done that.
hm. well you say you dont care,
yet you logged on to a dt forum and posted in a thread regarding the new drummer situation saying you don't care.
i politely disagree about your not caring. cuz if you didnt', you wouldnt be looking at this thread.
He probably doesn't care about your disagreeing, either.
I was here anyway, and that's when I realised that I got waiting fatigue. That's a totally unrelated thing to reading what other people are saying about things.
I was checking this thread every day a while back- now weeks go by.
And hef, you're right! Even though I replied to the challenge...
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I haven't cared in a while. I'm sorry but I think DT is doing themselves a disservice by not giving the fans much to chew on. As far as I can see, on this particular forum at least, interest in DT is the lowest it's been in a while
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I haven't cared in a while. I'm sorry but I think DT is doing themselves a disservice by not giving the fans much to chew on. As far as I can see, on this particular forum at least, interest in DT is the lowest it's been in a while
I don't think it's DT holding up the announcement and the as soon as it is announced this place will be buzzing.
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We get a new album soon. This is the best news that we could possibly get. There's nothing better than that, not even knowing who the drummer is...cough...Mike Mangini...
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I gotta be honest, my own interest in DT has been higher than it has since the last album release, but all this dragging out has sucked me dry some.
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I gotta be honest, my own interest in DT has been higher than it has since the last album release, but all this dragging out has sucked me dry some.
Same here...
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I wonder, if it had been announced in January, how things would be around here, how people would be feeling...maybe the announcement of the drummer closer to the details of the album is seen as good by RR so people don't dismiss the album before it was even recorded? Who knows
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I think it's pretty obvious people are getting aggrivated with them. The last big news was MP split and they shut the door behind him. DT is nothing without it's fans and I think it's pretty obvious people want to know. Give your fans something to talk about since everyone is done speculating at this point.
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I gotta be honest, my own interest in DT has been higher than it has since the last album release, but all this dragging out has sucked me dry some.
they haven't really "dragged out anything". it's honestly been more of a legal delay. it's not like they are doing thing on purpose, you know?
and yah, i kinda agree this is seriously taking too long.
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Well, my thought is, in the meantime they could give at least the US fans some sort of promise of tour dates or something. We know they're playing Europe. But what about us? We have nothing to look forward to except an album that's coming out sometime in the future. This is why I've lost interest in the band. I don't feel I have much to look forward to
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Legal difficulties might have been the reason in the beginning. At this point I'm pretty sure this is intentional. Maybe they thought they could carry over the impact of the announcement to create a bigger bang for the album release.
Either way, it's way too long.
rumborak
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Well, my thought is, in the meantime they could give at least the US fans some sort of promise of tour dates or something. We know they're playing Europe. But what about us? We have nothing to look forward to except an album that's coming out sometime in the future. This is why I've lost interest in the band. I don't feel I have much to look forward to
Yeah man, I totally feel the same way. I bet they'll never play in North America again. And about that "album that's coming out sometime in the future"? That's probably a fake anyway. Nothing to look forward to in DT land. I've lost interest in the band and thrown away all of their CDs too, for good measure.
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Not everybody has that undying support built in, lithium. About a week ago we hit the 7 month mark since MP's departure. I seriously wonder what they will have racked it up to by the time the news comes out.
rumborak
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Well, we are halfway through April, and their concerts start in June, I think. So not much longer.
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Well, my thought is, in the meantime they could give at least the US fans some sort of promise of tour dates or something. We know they're playing Europe. But what about us? We have nothing to look forward to except an album that's coming out sometime in the future. This is why I've lost interest in the band. I don't feel I have much to look forward to
Yeah man, I totally feel the same way. I bet they'll never play in North America again. And about that "album that's coming out sometime in the future"? That's probably a fake anyway. Nothing to look forward to in DT land. I've lost interest in the band and thrown away all of their CDs too, for good measure.
not much =/= nothing
I'm interested in the songs they'll be playing live, but nothing more, really.
Oh, and I listen to a bunch of other bands. Excuse me if I don't listen to DT 24/7
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Well, my thought is, in the meantime they could give at least the US fans some sort of promise of tour dates or something. We know they're playing Europe. But what about us? We have nothing to look forward to except an album that's coming out sometime in the future. This is why I've lost interest in the band. I don't feel I have much to look forward to
Yeah, you know, I've felt this way about a lot of bands. The US fans, for some reason, just seem to get shafted by metal bands. But Dream Theater aren't as bad as others, who just take off straight for Europe without paying any respect for their US fans.
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not much =/= nothing
I'm interested in the songs they'll be playing live, but nothing more, really.
Oh, and I listen to a bunch of other bands. Excuse me if I don't listen to DT 24/7
Regarding "not much =/= nothing", the third-last sentence you wrote "we have nothing to look forward to" and in your last sentence, you wrote that you don't "have much to look forward to"...
And in no way did I suggest that you should only listen to DT. I listen to lots of other bands as well. I'm not sure where you got that from.
I'm just saying that it's kind of silly to say that we have either "nothing" or "not much" to look forward to when we clearly know it's coming. Are they going to play in North America again? Definitely. Are they going to release a new CD? Yes. Are they going to reveal the new drummer at some point? Well.. probably. lol
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Yeah man, I totally feel the same way. I bet they'll never play in North America again.
Is that actually a serious statement?
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Yeah man, I totally feel the same way. I bet they'll never play in North America again.
Is that actually a serious statement?
What do you think? :lol
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Yeah man, I totally feel the same way. I bet they'll never play in North America again.
Is that actually a serious statement?
What do you think? :lol
:yarr
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Is that actually a serious statement?
Sorry, forgot my <sarcasm> tags :P
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Yeah in fairness Will, you were being pretty ridiculous. So NA tour dates haven't been announced, but I'm not sure why that's a problem, as though DT aren't going to be playing there again? We know there's a new album (which JR, JLB and JP have been updating us on the progress of) and we know that they are playing live shows soon. So at the very least you have the album to look forward to, and almost certainly some shows as well.
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Is that actually a serious statement?
Sorry, forgot my <sarcasm> tags :P
Around here we use sarcasm green.
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We already know who the new drummer is. Oh wait, it's unofficial, sorry. Nevermind then.
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We already know who the new drummer is. Oh wait, it's unofficial, sorry. Nevermind then.
We know nothing.
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Does it matter if they said who it is? No. Because either way they're recording the album with their new drummer and we'll hear it soon.
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We already know who the new drummer is. Oh wait, it's unofficial, sorry. Nevermind then.
We know nothing.
For some reason I read this in the voice of Rainier Wolfcastle.
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Maybe we finally will start getting some information. I will remain hopeful, but won't get to excited yet.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater---An-Exclusive-Look-into-The-Bands-Search-for-a-New-Drummer-22916.aspx?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=FB%2B%28DT%2BDA%2BPt1%29&utm_campaign=FB%2B%28DT%2BDA%2BPt1%29%29
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Somewhere Major Thirteenth is smiling!
How can I get on the mailing list if I'm not on Facebook?
https://www.bravewords.com/news/160315
Bravewords posted the same thing, so this is NOT a figment of Blabbermouth's imagination.
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Maybe some real news at last?
B.Lee
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Maybe some real news at last?
B.Lee
An announcement to find out when the announcement will be...I'll take it. Audition details will be interesting too.
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THE TIME HAS HOME BITCHES
THIS THREAD WILL STOP SUCKING
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Maybe some real news at last?
B.Lee
An announcement to find out when the announcement will be...I'll take it. Audition details will be interesting too.
"News: Blabbermouth is prepared to announce a pre-announcement that DT are getting ready to announce something! "
The mods predicted it! :lol
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Somewhere Major Thirteenth is smiling!
How can I get on the mailing list if I'm not on Facebook?
https://www.bravewords.com/news/160315
Bravewords posted the same thing, so this is NOT a figment of Blabbermouth's imagination.
Open a Facebook account, than have the message get buried amongst the hundreds of Farmville and Mafia war invitees, than come back here to find out what really happened
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Somewhere Major Thirteenth is smiling!
How can I get on the mailing list if I'm not on Facebook?
https://www.bravewords.com/news/160315
Bravewords posted the same thing, so this is NOT a figment of Blabbermouth's imagination.
Open a Facebook account, than have the message get buried amongst the hundreds of Farmville and Mafia war invitees, than come back here to find out what really happened
You know that if you don't add anyone as a friend you won't get any Farmville and Mafia War invites?
'Course, the sensible middle ground is to only add friends who won't do that. Or, just don't look at your invites. I've got loads, and they're just collecting dust in a lost panel of facebook. They don't really make a difference. I don't even get notified. Not a dealbreaker.
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^That.
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Facebook also lets you ignore invites from games like that if you choose to, so its not like they force it all on you. Its all in the friends you pick.
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You can have friends that do that stuff and just block it... i have friends that obsessive play games and I just click to Hide all from that app. So I still see my friends updates, photos, etc, but not the games.
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Haven't had a game invite on facebook in over 2 years. Probably more. I know it's "cool" to be "above" facebook. But it is a great promotional medium and I'm glad DT is using it
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On 4/21 of April Facebook will die... ;)
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ya man, april 21st of april will kill.
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ya man, april 21st of april will kill.
I can almost guarantee that will be nothing comparied to April 21st of June. Mark my words.
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:lol
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So is that 11am East or West coast? And equivalent time for us Brit folk? Don't want to miss whatever this is :caffeine:
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ok a very special and stupid request here, am i wrong or does it say only the mailing list will see the auditions?, if thats the case, can someone here record that pleaseeee!!!??
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I'm not opening a facebook account when I know it will end up here anyway. :corn
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On 4/21 of April Facebook will die... ;)
ya man, april 21st of april will kill.
Next person being redundant about april of the usage of april will die.
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let us then speak more of this april 21st of june.
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So is that 11am East or West coast?
I have the same question!!!!
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I rarely complain here. I've been very patient. But I have to say...making this announcement exclusively to facebook subscribers is incredibly lame. Not everyone has or wants a facebook account. Just give us all the info already. It's like having to be part of the exclusive paying Queensryche fan club or something...ok maybe not that bad...but still...Oh and making it at 11am in the morning when most people are working...now I really don't care. I'll get the info here eventually.
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I rarely complain here. I've been very patient. But I have to say...making this announcement exclusively to facebook subscribers is incredibly lame. Not everyone has or wants a facebook account. Just give us all the info already. It's like having to be part of the exclusive paying Queensryche fan club or something...ok maybe not that bad...but still...Oh and making it at 11am in the morning when most people are working...now I really don't care. I'll get the info here eventually.
For the billionth millionth time. It's going to be announced on facebook. You can guarantee it'll be available elsewhere about half a second after it's initially posted.
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For the billionth millionth time.[/quote] That many times really man? :lol I was just blowing off some steam for once in a forum where that is the norm... ;)
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So is that 11am East or West coast?
I have the same question!!!!
EST
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Somewhere Major Thirteenth is smiling!
How can I get on the mailing list if I'm not on Facebook?
https://www.bravewords.com/news/160315
Bravewords posted the same thing, so this is NOT a figment of Blabbermouth's imagination.
Open a Facebook account, than have the message get buried amongst the hundreds of Farmville and Mafia war invitees, than come back here to find out what really happened
You know that if you don't add anyone as a friend you won't get any Farmville and Mafia War invites?
'Course, the sensible middle ground is to only add friends who won't do that. Or, just don't look at your invites. I've got loads, and they're just collecting dust in a lost panel of facebook. They don't really make a difference. I don't even get notified. Not a dealbreaker.
I am quite aware of that forgot to use my sarcasm green
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THE TIME HAS HOME BITCHES
THIS THREAD WILL STOP SUCKING
Really? The time has home?
Gotta refresh my Spanish.
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Press F5 multiple times, Hef.
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but then, who has home?
:omg:
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but then, who has home?
:omg:
Womp Womp.
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let us then speak more of this april 21st of june.
I laughed out loud :tup
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Oh and making it at 11am in the morning when most people are working...now I really don't care. I'll get the info here eventually.
DT does have fans outside the US. Rather a lot in fact. I guess they had to make it a time convenient for the highest number of people possible. And it was probably Roadrunner's decision anyway.
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Oh and making it at 11am in the morning when most people are working...now I really don't care. I'll get the info here eventually.
DT does have fans outside the US. Rather a lot in fact. I guess they had to make it a time convenient for the highest number of people possible. And it was probably Roadrunner's decision anyway.
Agreed.
B.Lee
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Watch, they will probably show one drummer per week play with the band and get "eliminated." leaving the "winner" for the last of the 7.
They could milk this for another 7 weeks!!!!!!!
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I actually heard they are eliminating one per year, so it would be 7 years.
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I got a hunch: I think the new drummer is Virgil Donati.
There's nothing new in the Planet X website from a long time now. Derek is working on his new solo album with Simon Phillips. No news from CAB or Seven the Hardway. Nothing on his website or wikipedia. Maybe... Who knows?
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I got a hunch: I think the new drummer is Virgil Donati.
There's nothing new in the Planet X website from a long time now. Derek is working on his new solo album with Simon Phillips. No news from CAB or Seven the Hardway. Nothing on his website or wikipedia. Maybe... Who knows?
He's in LA playing with the Virgil Donati band.
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Dammit!
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I rarely complain here. I've been very patient. But I have to say...making this announcement exclusively to facebook subscribers is incredibly lame. Not everyone has or wants a facebook account. Just give us all the info already. It's like having to be part of the exclusive paying Queensryche fan club or something...ok maybe not that bad...but still...Oh and making it at 11am in the morning when most people are working...now I really don't care. I'll get the info here eventually.
Um, you should read what it says again. It says that, if you sign up on Facebook, you'll find out "how and when" the actual announcement will be made. It doesn't say you have to go ON Facebook to see the announcement. They're just using Facebook as a tool to increase interest leading up to it.
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So can we only sign up at that time or is it FROM that time? cos I'm busy then...
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So I just watched it, no doubt you all did too. Wow....god I wish now that we didn't know the outcome ! We all know its Mangini and unfortunatly thats taken away from it.
But to see Marco & Virgil rocking out...wow again...wow ! And that was just the stupid trailer lol !
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I can't see it!!!! I signed up, let the stupid app in on my profile and the video just won't load :(
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I can't see it!!!! I signed up, let the stupid app in on my profile and the video just won't load :(
Disable the secure connection (in your settings).
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Okay so the seven who auditioned are apparently:
Mike Mangini
Thomas Lang
Virgil Donati
Marco Minnemann
Aquiles Priester
Derek Roddy
Peter Wildoer
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It's probably one of the first four of those. I'm hoping for Marco now...
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Okay so the seven who auditioned are apparently:
Mike Mangini
Thomas Lang
Virgil Donati
Marco Minnemann
Aquiles Priester
Derek Roddy
Peter Wildoer
I'm pretty sure Minneman, Wildoer and Donati have been proven to be doing other things. Any news on what Lang, Priester, Roddy or Mangini are doing?
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Aquiles Priester? Well... Fuck me.
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Aquiles Priester? Well... Fuck me.
I think he'd be the only drummer there who I wouldn't like if they chose. I'd be very happy with any of the others, maybe not Derek Roddy, but that's just because I'm not too familiar with him yet.
:)
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Aquiles Priester? Well... Fuck me.
I think he'd be the only drummer there who I wouldn't like if they chose. I'd be very happy with any of the others, maybe not Derek Roddy, but that's just because I'm not too familiar with him yet.
:)
Same here. The other 6 I would be perfectly content with, and even Priester I like in general but I can't see how he would ever fit into DT.
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Aquiles Priester? Well... Fuck me.
Oh. My. God.
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After all the arguments I had with some posters about Aquiles... he actually auditioned. :mehlin
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:facepalm: This is incredibly annoying, I can't believe they're still hyping it up and making a documentary and tv special about it.
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Man.......everyone all over the internet is certain it's Mangini or certain on whoever they like. But in reality, they could've chosen ANY of the 7 guys that auditioned.......it all depends on the chemistry. All I'm saying is that we should be prepared for a curve ball.
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The poll has been... reset!
Archived what the poll looked like as of 19:35pm, April 21st 2011 BST. Will update it into the original post, gizza sec.
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Honestly, at this point, I'm sure whoever they pick will do fine. All seven are solid drummers.
Still, I definitely think it's Mangini.
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Voted for Marco still even though I think he might be out of the running. Although now I'm not so sure if that assumption is founded in reality anymore. So I vote for Marco in order to KEEP THE DREAM ALIIIVE
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Mangini is still my top candidate, and I base that on absolutely nothing in particular.
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Love the new thread title. :lol
And it's clearly Bender from Futurama. I can't see why anyone would think otherwise at this point.
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Hahaha, great update. I don't know, but Mangini, Lang, Minneman and Donati all seemed very, very pleased to be able to audition, let alone be part of DT. I totally couldn't say who would be it based on the 'new information' we have.
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Hahaha, great update. I don't know, but Mangini, Lang, Minneman and Donati all seemed very, very pleased to be able to audition, let alone be part of DT. I totally couldn't say who would be it based on the 'new information' we have.
Yes, but I think that Mangini will easiest adopt to DT.Don't ask me why
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Voting again for Marco. I still think he is the perfect choice.
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Voting again for Marco. I still think he is the perfect choice.
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Going for Lang still. Maybe his broken foot or whatever was a cover up to throw us off.
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I didn't change my vote the whole time the poll has been up, I'm not about to change it now. I'm sticking with my original choice: Mangini.
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Oh, please. Not another comedy option.
I originally voted for Lang. Then changed it to Minnemann, then Lang again, then Minnemann AGAIN... and got stuck with it because Rob locked it.
I'm voting for Lang once again. If it's him or Minnemann I could consider myself satisfied.
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Oh, please. Not another comedy option.
I originally voted for Lang. Then changed it to Minnemann, then Lang again, then Minnemann AGAIN... and got stuck with it because Rob locked it.
I'm voting for Lang once again. If it's him or Minnemann I could consider myself satisfied.
Just for the record, I don't remember locking it. In fact, I actually got a wee bit disappointed when I realised the votes were locked, as I was just raring to switch my vote to Mangini.
Not saying it wasn't me. Very possible that I did it by accident. Sounds like something I'd do.
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Sticking with my original pick of Mangini, although my dark horse is Priester.
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I voted Priester. Yeah, that was me there.
rumborak
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I just watched the video. What's with all the drama? Does DT really need this "reallity show" crap? I was hoping to see the guys playing with DT, but I wasn't expecting for a shitty documentary like this.
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I voted Priester. Yeah, that was me there.
rumborak
And me ;D
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Oh, please. Not another comedy option.
I originally voted for Lang. Then changed it to Minnemann, then Lang again, then Minnemann AGAIN... and got stuck with it because Rob locked it.
I'm voting for Lang once again. If it's him or Minnemann I could consider myself satisfied.
Just for the record, I don't remember locking it. In fact, I actually got a wee bit disappointed when I realised the votes were locked, as I was just raring to switch my vote to Mangini.
Not saying it wasn't me. Very possible that I did it by accident. Sounds like something I'd do.
I'm not saying it was a bad thing (the lock thing) and I'm sure it was a mod.
My only issue is BENDER!!! Get rid off it.
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Oh, please. Not another comedy option.
I originally voted for Lang. Then changed it to Minnemann, then Lang again, then Minnemann AGAIN... and got stuck with it because Rob locked it.
I'm voting for Lang once again. If it's him or Minnemann I could consider myself satisfied.
Just for the record, I don't remember locking it. In fact, I actually got a wee bit disappointed when I realised the votes were locked, as I was just raring to switch my vote to Mangini.
Not saying it wasn't me. Very possible that I did it by accident. Sounds like something I'd do.
I'm not saying it was a bad thing (the lock thing) and I'm sure it was a mod.
My only issue is BENDER!!! Get rid off it.
It's kind of there as an "abstain" vote.
But, fair doos, I'll change it.
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:lol
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:lol
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Voting again for Marco. I still think he is the perfect choice.
that's what I don't get though. It's not who you "want" it to be, it's who you genuinely think it will be.
I "want" lang, but I genuinely think it will be Mangini, given the very little evidence we have.
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I voted for Wildoer..i like him a lot on Static Impulse and everything i saw and listen from him is impressive and solid.
I think the chosen one will be Mangini though.
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Just found this on Youtube. It is a reply from Peter to someone who commented on his video "Experiment".
@rapidryan Thanks a lot! Very glad you enjoy the clip and my playing. :-) Ha ha, yeah Dream Theater would have been cool...
Cheers,
Peter
Wildoerfaren 4 months ago
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Well my initial vote was Lang, based solely on what I thought would happen. But now the votes have been reset, so eff it, going with who I hope got the job: Marco.
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priester isnt my choice, but i definitely support the guy. the fact he auditioned is a bit of a FU to all who've bashed the mere idea of him as a replacement.
that being said, i expect mangini, but hold out hope for thomas or marco.
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well my original vote was for Lang, so i'll keep it, altho it's almost sure it's not him
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priester isnt my choice, but i definitely support the guy. the fact he auditioned is a bit of a FU to all who've bashed the mere idea of him as a replacement.
If you say so. Personally, I'm still not sure why they let a no-name who is obviously not in the same upper tier as the other 6 audition, but I guess they thought they saw some potential that he could rise to the challenge.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hx_YU9m7nI
how about adding Meytal to the list :)
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I pray that it's Thomas Lang but I think it's going to be Mangini.
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priester isnt my choice, but i definitely support the guy. the fact he auditioned is a bit of a FU to all who've bashed the mere idea of him as a replacement.
If you say so. Personally, I'm still not sure why they let a no-name who is obviously not in the same upper tier as the other 6 audition, but I guess they thought they saw some potential that he could rise to the challenge.
Yeah, I'm kinda surprised he actually was a candidate, although I'm sure he could have gotten the job done.
On a similar note, is anyone else surprised that Roddy auditioned? To me, he totally would totally not fit at all. Awesome drummer, though.
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I don't really know his work, so I can't comment.
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I don't really know his work, so I can't comment.
almost entirely deathmetal, with (very little) jazz background. as a drummer myself, him auditioning was totally out of left field to me.
linky - https://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Derek_Roddy.html
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Bosky, I can't remember who you think it is...or who you thought it was....what is your vote?
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Maybe Priester thought: "Hey, I don't know these guys that well but I have two drum sticks, so what the fuck."
rumborak
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I was more shocked about Roddy. and IMHO, I think Priester could more than handle the job.
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Maybe Priester thought: "Hey, I don't know these guys that well but I have two drum sticks, so what the fuck."
rumborak
:rollin
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I hope for either Peter Wildoer or Mike Mangini. I expect Mike Mangini.
I love this drama fest DT did there :D
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Hoping against all hope it's Virgil Donati
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Virgil is one of my favorites, I just don't know if he would fit DT's style.
I was just reading the drummerworld article on Derek. It make it seem like he is a jazz drummer stuck in a death metal band :) Plus, he actually doesn't have current employment right now (that we know of). If they were to really surprise us, he might be the one.
I had voted for Marco earlier, I kept my vote, but my feeling after all the rumors, etc. is that Mangini is it.
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Mike Mangini seems to be the most likely candidate at this point. I still would love to see Thomas Lang as the new drummer, though.
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Voting again for Marco. I still think he is the perfect choice.
that's what I don't get though. It's not who you "want" it to be, it's who you genuinely think it will be.
I "want" lang, but I genuinely think it will be Mangini, given the very little evidence we have.
I know Mangini is the most likley option here, but if we take who everyone thinks it will be given the evidence so far, everyone would vote Mangini so there would be no reason for having this poll. I think people are all voting who they prefer and not who they think is getting it because of that.
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Bosky, I can't remember who you think it is...or who you thought it was....what is your vote?
I won't say because I have some information most people don't have. Still inconclusive information, and information that may not actually indicate who the person is, but information nonetheless. But I will say this: Way back when we didn't know anything and this poll was initially posted, I voted for Lang. I never changed my vote, but I eventually became persuaded that it wasn't him. BUT one of the reason I wrote him off was that someone said he had confirmation that Lang had injured his foot and didn't audition. Now, from the video, we know that he did audition. So...Hmm... :justjen:
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Gotcha ;)
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In Mother Russia, drummer gotchas YOU.
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Voting again for Marco. I still think he is the perfect choice.
This exactly.
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Voting again for Marco. I still think he is the perfect choice.
that's what I don't get though. It's not who you "want" it to be, it's who you genuinely think it will be.
I "want" lang, but I genuinely think it will be Mangini, given the very little evidence we have.
I know Mangini is the most likley option here, but if we take who everyone thinks it will be given the evidence so far, everyone would vote Mangini so there would be no reason for having this poll. I think people are all voting who they prefer and not who they think is getting it because of that.
I see what you said, and it makes sense, I guess we just see it different ways.
This is a "place your bets" thread. Lets say we had 2k riding on our "bet".
I'm not gonna vote for who I want it to be, I'm gonna vote for who I genuinely think it to be. I want it to be Lang, but I truly believe it's Mangini.
If the title of this thread had said "who do you want it to be", that would be a totally different story.
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Bosky, I can't remember who you think it is...or who you thought it was....what is your vote?
I won't say because I have some information most people don't have. Still inconclusive information, and information that may not actually indicate who the person is, but information nonetheless. But I will say this: Way back when we didn't know anything and this poll was initially posted, I voted for Lang. I never changed my vote, but I eventually became persuaded that it wasn't him. BUT one of the reason I wrote him off was that someone said he had confirmation that Lang had injured his foot and didn't audition. Now, from the video, we know that he did audition. So...Hmm... :justjen:
I'm sensing a pattern. Lang says he broke his foot and didn't audition....but he did. Wildoer commented that he was flattered that people wanted him to audition, but he said he wasn't invited. I wonder if DT is throwing out all these false red herrings just to screw with us. Actually, it would be awesome if they did, because that puts everybody on an even plane.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hx_YU9m7nI
how about adding Meytal to the list :)
never saw her before,im changing my vote :biggrin: honestly,shes pretty good and she is gentle on the eyes..
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Now just to be clear because I didn't see the teaser video, when is this documentary coming out exactly?
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"Coming Soon".
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Damn. :sadpanda:
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:lol
:getoffmylawn: Why you little!
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Let me tell you why it can only be Mangini:
1) The majority of evidence we have had so far has indicated him as the front runner.
2) Has been silent on new projects after he quit as a Berklee Drum Teacher which initself was weird.
3) His website after being the same format for years suddenly stopped being functional with a message that it will be updated fully in May (announcement?).
4) Preister, Lang, Donati, Wildoer et al are amazing drummers but they do not have the personalities to match the DT vibe or feel. Mangini is a larger than life character and a true rock musician, he has the look, on stage persona, is a bit up himself sometimes for show but has a certain grace and coolness where as the other guys sometimes look like a group of accountants especially during long technical sections in songs.
5) Mangini's work with annialator was limited to their song structures thus limited what he could play. His playing on James's EOP was fantastic to the point that i read when it came out everyone though the songs were off the new octavarium album thus they couldnt really pick the drumming difference between MM and MP which says a lot. His playing with Vai not only on albums but live is amazing and he is def a showman too.
6) DT cant afford a member to just sit behind a kit and play but play very well. Their shows will become a boring prog fest and the only drummer who auditioned that has the character to keep the show going IMO is Mike Mangini.
7) They only need to strike out everything that says Portnoy and replace it with Mangini thus cutting a lot of costs down! (yes, i am an accountant and im joking).
8) All recent leaks have indicated that MM will be the next drummer.
Sorry for the ramblings but the band is a business and they would have looked at this from a business perspective and most of their buisiness is live shows.
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Now just to be clear because I didn't see the teaser video, when is this documentary coming out exactly?
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22350.msg854080#msg854080
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I am almost certain that (sadly) Thomas Lang is out. He has a lot of drum camps coming up.
Mangini seems to be the only logical choice. He get's irritated when asked about DT, he quit his job at Berkelee, he has been working on some new drum parts, his website is being redesigned, and other pieces of evidence just point to Mangini
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Mangini
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even though im 85% sure its mangini, and supposedly marco confirmed he isnt the drummer. i stuck with my original vote for minnemann
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I want it to be Lang, but I truly believe it's Mangini.
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There is no evidence that this is the case at all, people here speculated that they may do that, but that's it.
I can only say that I believe this to be true (the drummer selection video to be released around May or so) in the strongest possible terms that would not require documentation. And once it is proven true, I would like permanent dispensation from ever having to offer proof of future assertions.
:hat
Alrighty then...
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Let me tell you why it can only be Mangini:
1) The majority of evidence we have had so far has indicated him as the front runner.
2) Has been silent on new projects after he quit as a Berklee Drum Teacher which initself was weird.
3) His website after being the same format for years suddenly stopped being functional with a message that it will be updated fully in May (announcement?).
4) Preister, Lang, Donati, Wildoer et al are amazing drummers but they do not have the personalities to match the DT vibe or feel. Mangini is a larger than life character and a true rock musician, he has the look, on stage persona, is a bit up himself sometimes for show but has a certain grace and coolness where as the other guys sometimes look like a group of accountants especially during long technical sections in songs.
5) Mangini's work with annialator was limited to their song structures thus limited what he could play. His playing on James's EOP was fantastic to the point that i read when it came out everyone though the songs were off the new octavarium album thus they couldnt really pick the drumming difference between MM and MP which says a lot. His playing with Vai not only on albums but live is amazing and he is def a showman too.
6) DT cant afford a member to just sit behind a kit and play but play very well. Their shows will become a boring prog fest and the only drummer who auditioned that has the character to keep the show going IMO is Mike Mangini.
7) They only need to strike out everything that says Portnoy and replace it with Mangini thus cutting a lot of costs down! (yes, i am an accountant and im joking).
8) All recent leaks have indicated that MM will be the next drummer.
Sorry for the ramblings but the band is a business and they would have looked at this from a business perspective and most of their buisiness is live shows.
I think that evidence no.3 shows everything...that would be too much coincidence (in which I don't believe...) that net site will be run again on May... ;) SO.... ;)
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I really think it is going to be Mangini...but I still really want it to be Minnemann. ???
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Priester has an Octopus on his drum kit.
Octopus/Octavarium = NUGGETZ.
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On that big list, four is just silly, and five is as well. His EoP drumming wasn't all that fantastic compared to ths tuff MP coudl write and play. And we don't know the chemistry between him and the bnad until we see if for ourselves.
nad number 7 is a joke. That kind of cost is incredibly minumal and would probably go into variable overhead or something. Even then it would take like five minutes total to fix the twitter, facebook, and official site.
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Priester has an Octopus on his drum kit.
Octopus/Octavarium = NUGGETZ.
hahaha nice
I am sticking with minnemann. haters gonna hate skaters gonna skate haters gonna rotate
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I hope in Virgil Donati or Marco Minnemann...but the Mike Mangini web site is on restyle for a few months (in april will be the newone...coincidence?)
At the bottom of the heart I tought for a surprise: "we didin't choose anyone because Mike is caming back"...dreams!!!
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I think emindead would be awesome....actually did not even know he plays drums
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I hope in Virgil Donati or Marco Minnemann...but the Mike Mangini web site is on restyle for a few months (in april will be the newone...coincidence?)
At the bottom of the heart I tought for a surprise: "we didin't choose anyone because Mike is caming back"...dreams!!!
(https://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz109/milikamipon/All%20things%20vright%20and%20virtual/things%20i%20just%20faved/trollfacecomputerlift.gif)
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Never changed my opinion, it's Mangini.
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Priester has an Octopus on his drum kit.
Octopus/Octavarium = NUGGETZ.
hahaha nice
I am sticking with minnemann. haters gonna hate skaters gonna skate haters gonna rotate
One of the first performances with the new drummer is with Judas PRIEST.
More NUGGETZ.
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Hi,
Newbie here. My vote goes to this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7IhsAd1jVs&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL :laugh:
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I want it to be Minnemann so I voted for him. There is more evidence towards Mangini though.
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Hi,
Newbie here. My vote goes to this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7IhsAd1jVs&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL :laugh:
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. Minnemann's still my ideal, but not only is Mangini more probable, but every time someone links to a video of him I think "you know what? This guy's going to be brilliant."
P.S. I like your name. Like some kind of sexy bog.
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Hi,
Newbie here. My vote goes to this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7IhsAd1jVs&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL :laugh:
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. Minnemann's still my ideal, but not only is Mangini more probable, but every time someone links to a video of him I think "you know what? This guy's going to be brilliant."
P.S. I like your name. Like some kind of sexy bog.
I thought so too. :lol Sig'd.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biis2GFg6KA&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biis2GFg6KA&feature=related)
Mangini playing Xanadu - Rush, probably been posted before but wow. Amazing stuff. :metal
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Found another drummer for the tryout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7XaMCG7cnw
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Found another drummer for the tryout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7XaMCG7cnw
One day Max Portnoy will drum in a band, and this guy will eventually replace him!
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Lang says he broke his foot and didn't audition....but he did.
As far as I know Lang never said he broke is foot or that he didn't audition by himself. This info was on some website where they said Lang had to cancel one of his bootcamps because of an injured foot.
Lang also posted a new video on his youtube channel yesterday. Seems like he will be on tour again with Gianna Nannini (an italian rock singer) from late april until the end of july.
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I think emindead would be awesome....actually did not even know he plays drums
Thank God. I've been waiting since September to tell you guys how it went.
I first got a spam e-mail saying that I was chosen for a unique opportunity to join a privileged family; "The Banks family" I thought "is a mere fictional portray of a wealthy family. Of course this is a fake."
Then, destiny called me...
To be continued...
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oh my god I can not wait to hear this story! :lol
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I've been kinda thinking about something. Do you guys think MP will be more like Kevin Moore, in that he will be reluctant to work with the band now that he's gone, or do you think he will continue to associate himself with them? Like for reunion shows, books, interviews, etc.
I have a feeling he will continue to work with the band on things like that, I was just wondering what other people thought.
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Still hoping for Peter Wildoer
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I've been kinda thinking about something. Do you guys think MP will be more like Kevin Moore, in that he will be reluctant to work with the band now that he's gone, or do you think he will continue to associate himself with them? Like for reunion shows, books, interviews, etc.
I have a feeling he will continue to work with the band on things like that, I was just wondering what other people thought.
I think Dream Theater might rather become Kevin Moore v2 and Mike Portnoy shall remain Mike Portnoy.
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That'd be pretty hypocritical of MP to turn his back on the band after the way he criticized KM for turning his back on the band. Maybe I've read the whole KM/MP thing wrong but it just wouldn't seem right for MP to ignore his former band anymore and not acknowledge them
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I've been kinda thinking about something. Do you guys think MP will be more like Kevin Moore, in that he will be reluctant to work with the band now that he's gone, or do you think he will continue to associate himself with them? Like for reunion shows, books, interviews, etc.
I have a feeling he will continue to work with the band on things like that, I was just wondering what other people thought.
What if the rest of the band are the ones who don't want to associate themselves with him?
Remember when Mike said that they didn't pick up the phone or anything, so that could be a sign that they don't want him, unless there's some hidden info as to why they ignored him...
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Voted Mangini in the beginning because I dreamt it, still think it's him but so want it to be Lang. I'm sure it's not though as he's tweeted about a drum festival he's to play at in Mexico City when DT are in Kiev.
The way Mangini is shown throwing the sticks away at the end of the video has just pissed me right off and I really don't want it to be him. It just looks so arrogant and un-DT.
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The way Mangini is shown throwing the sticks away at the end of the video has just pissed me right off and I really don't want it to be him. It just looks so arrogant and un-DT.
Uh... what?! MP used to do it, and loads of drummers do it. He was probably just having fun, from the couple of reports we've heard from the drummers, it sounds like it was an enjoyable time.
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The way Mangini is shown throwing the sticks away at the end of the video has just pissed me right off and I really don't want it to be him. It just looks so arrogant and un-DT.
Uh... what?! MP used to do it, and loads of drummers do it. He was probably just having fun, from the couple of reports we've heard from the drummers, it sounds like it was an enjoyable time.
But it was an audition and it just smacked of "I am awesome and I've just proved it. The deal is done" and it rubbed me up the wrong way.
MP earned the right to do it.
I've enjoyed checking out these drummers over the last few months but every Mangini video I've seen I haven't liked. Awful drum sound and overplaying to the detriment of the song. I am worried now. I'm feeling like it may be Queensryche all over again. I need to go and lie down! Nurse, the screens.
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Yeah, how dare he throws the sticks after finishing a complex song! :\
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The way Mangini is shown throwing the sticks away at the end of the video has just pissed me right off and I really don't want it to be him. It just looks so arrogant and un-DT.
Uh... what?! MP used to do it, and loads of drummers do it. He was probably just having fun, from the couple of reports we've heard from the drummers, it sounds like it was an enjoyable time.
But it was an audition and it just smacked of "I am awesome and I've just proved it. The deal is done" and it rubbed me up the wrong way.
MP earned the right to do it.
I've enjoyed checking out these drummers over the last few months but every Mangini video I've seen I haven't liked. Awful drum sound and overplaying to the detriment of the song. I am worried now. I'm feeling like it may be Queensryche all over again. I need to go and lie down! Nurse, the screens.
i can understand why it might rub you the wrong way, but in no way were they arrogant in throwing their sticks. as ariich said, mp used to do it, so in no way should it been seen as insulting. they were just acting in the spontaneity of the moment. nothing more, nothing less.
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Yeah, Lowdz, I think you're reading too much into it. Seems to me he was just having a bit of fun, which I think is cool.
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He didn't throw his sticks, his sticks fled due to fear of his incredible drumming.
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He didn't throw his sticks, his sticks fled due to fear of his incredible drumming.
:lol
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He didn't throw his sticks, his sticks fled due to fear of his incredible drumming.
I actually think JP's Killzone mode might be the answer, he sure as hell wasn't ready for that!
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I originally wanted it to be Lang and I still do, but all the evidence points to Mangini in my opinion. Even though Mangini was my #2 choice, I will still feel extremely happy for him if (but most likely when) they announce him name as the drummer! ;)
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No excitement for Mangini whatsoever, i just can't imagine his drum machine sound adding a lot to DT's music...
Tin
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i can't understand how the sticks-throwing rubs someone the wrong way. i mean, whoopdy fuckin shit.
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i can't understand how the sticks-throwing rubs someone the wrong way. i mean, whoopdy fuckin shit.
I agree. It was a part of the video that I really liked. It showed a personality to the playing - and obviously the other four liked it as well. Otherwise, it wouldn't make the final edit.
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I want that drummer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hx_YU9m7nI ;D
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I want that drummer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hx_YU9m7nI ;D
Hehe, that would real DT top model ;) I don't know, I saw it before, she's good, and very flexible...;)
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I'm wanting to see the audition tapes more than hearing the new album right now actually, haha.
I'm totally seeing that become my favourite collection of DT video's.
Seeing Thomas Lang, Mike mangini, Virgil Donati and Marco Minnemann play DT songs in great studio quality. Man... I cannot imagine the awesomeness.
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Who has the bigger boobs?
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i can't understand how the sticks-throwing rubs someone the wrong way. i mean, whoopdy fuckin shit.
I was in a bad mood yesterday. It seems a silly thing to get pissed off about but it just felt wrong.
I've been a bit harsh on Mangini throughout this process and if he's the guy I'll have to get used to it. I'm sure the guys are a better judge of a good drummer than me, and they have to tour the world with the guy too.
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https://www.drummagazine.com/wiretap/post/mike-mangini-still-not-revealed-as-new-dt-drummer/
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Wow, that was annoying to read, plus it is old. But still annoying
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I found the 100% Mangini factor interesting. Thought it may swing some more votes his way.
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Mangini is only the most probable possibility. Not the only one.
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By my count haven't all of the others been eliminated by admission, scheduling conflicts, alternate projects, etc?
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lolwut
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haha lovely!
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Charlie Dominici, u mad?
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Holy failed joke Batman.
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The irony is that DT have absolutely tons of fans while Dominici have very few. But I guess that's the result of a hatred of "promotional ploys". :P
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I don't get the hate. I love the drama and the behind the scenes stuff.
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lol Dominici
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:facepalm:
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To make a funny joke like that, one must have some kind of leverage, credibility, respect.
Charlie Dominici has none of the above.
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To make a funny joke like that, one must have some kind of leverage, credibility, respect.
Charlie Dominici has none of the above.
LOL :lol
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So, my band's drummer brought up an interesting point about the applicants, how a few of them (especially Donati and Lang) kinda have such a strong independent career going on that they might never had been truly part of DT, but rather "DT + Donati" etc.
rumborak
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So, my band's drummer brought up an interesting point about the applicants, how a few of them (especially Donati and Lang) kinda have such a strong independent career going on that they might never had been truly part of DT, but rather "DT + Donati" etc.
rumborak
I see what you mean, it may seem that DT are just another one of their projects they do, and not their "home," even though it seemed that Lang truly wanted to be part of DT when he mentioned the home.
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Now only if Dominici would come back here and defend that comment :corn
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So, my band's drummer brought up an interesting point about the applicants, how a few of them (especially Donati and Lang) kinda have such a strong independent career going on that they might never had been truly part of DT, but rather "DT + Donati" etc.
rumborak
I think that's part of what DT faced as they considered their options. All of these guys list many bands in their personal discographies and I'm sure that the DT guys didn't want to be just one of those many listed.
But if they did the "inviting" these guys to audition as it kind of sounds like they did, they had to know there was a risk. I've wondered who was invited and who actually applied. I suppose we'll see in the video.
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So, my band's drummer brought up an interesting point about the applicants, how a few of them (especially Donati and Lang) kinda have such a strong independent career going on that they might never had been truly part of DT, but rather "DT + Donati" etc.
rumborak
I think that's part of what DT faced as they considered their options. All of these guys list many bands in their personal discographies and I'm sure that the DT guys didn't want to be just one of those many listed.
But if they did the "inviting" these guys to audition as it kind of sounds like they did, they had to know there was a risk. I've wondered who was invited and who actually applied. I suppose we'll see in the video.
:tup
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Watching the video again, they were having fun as you can see in their faces when they play.
I'm voting for Donati, Lang or Priester...
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I love the 62 votes for people that have been confirmed it's not.
Minnemann is in a different band, it's not Wildoer or Roddy as they've said as much, and Lang has a date scheduled in direct conflict with DT's tour.
Priester, though an underdog should get more votes simply because at least he is still a practical choice.
Edit: Didn't Marco even answer a question about it somewhere saying he didn't get the gig but is doing other work with JRand JP? I remember reading that somewhere.
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Edit: Didn't Marco even answer a question about it somewhere saying he didn't get the gig but is doing other work with JR and JP? I remember reading that somewhere.
I've heard that too, but not that he's working with Petrucci too
Could he be the drummer for his next solo album perhaps? :\
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Edit: Didn't Marco even answer a question about it somewhere saying he didn't get the gig but is doing other work with JR and JP? I remember reading that somewhere.
I've heard that too, but not that he's working with Petrucci too
Could he be the drummer for his next solo album perhaps? :\
Why that face? It would actually be awesome to hear Marco drumming for JP.
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Edit: Didn't Marco even answer a question about it somewhere saying he didn't get the gig but is doing other work with JR and JP? I remember reading that somewhere.
I've heard that too, but not that he's working with Petrucci too
Could he be the drummer for his next solo album perhaps? :D :metal
This
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Edit: Didn't Marco even answer a question about it somewhere saying he didn't get the gig but is doing other work with JR and JP? I remember reading that somewhere.
I've heard that too, but not that he's working with Petrucci too
Could he be the drummer for his next solo album perhaps? :\
Why that face? It would actually be awesome to hear Marco drumming for JP.
Haha that was intended to be a "curious" face lol
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It's all good, then. :metal
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Priester, though an underdog should get more votes simply because at least he is still a practical choice.
Yeah, but I think everybody considers him not really an option. He's got that terrible, terrible drum sound all too common in metal, where the bass drum sounds like a wet fart.
rumborak
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That's nice, all 6 of Charlie's fans liked that joke.
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I thought Charlie was quite happy with DT and what he's done with them. A few weeks back he posted a vid of him singing Metropolis with DT in When Dream and Day Reunite, and he used to talk about the members in a positive light.
Wonder what happened there then...
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Geez guys, what's with this Charlie hate?
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I thought Charlie was quite happy with DT and what he's done with them. A few weeks back he posted a vid of him singing Metropolis with DT in When Dream and Day Reunite, and he used to talk about the members in a positive light.
Wonder what happened there then...
I doubt it was malicious at all, he was probably just joking around.
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I thought Charlie was quite happy with DT and what he's done with them. A few weeks back he posted a vid of him singing Metropolis with DT in When Dream and Day Reunite, and he used to talk about the members in a positive light.
Wonder what happened there then...
I doubt it was malicious at all, he was probably just joking around.
Yeah, "extremely annoying" sounds a lot like joking around :lol
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On his band picture of Facebook, someone asked him what he thinks of the drummer auditions and he said "I couldn't care less" and when someone mistook it as an answer for a different question he said "oh not you Rikki, the DT drummer shit"
Yeah I think its quite malicious but oh well ^^
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Great remarks from someone who's entire solo career is based on riding the wave of DT's popularity!
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For some reason, Charlie Dominici reminds me a lot of Joe Pesci in the movie Casio/Goodfellas...
Back to the topic, i have it made up in my mind that its Mike Mangini but is Donati still in the running as he is the person i picked on page 1 of this post way back when?
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So is this going to be a couple minutes ever week, or will we get the entire doc 'soon'?
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I think Charlie was cunning in some ways. Like, when he first starting reaching out to the DT fans you could tell that he wanted to try and present himself as an alternative to the shortcomings of (what then was) recent DT. I remember even when he was opening for them he'd make comments about how Dominici was giving DT a "run for their money." When WDADRU came out, Charlie was there again, one of the first people to argue that James hadn't done better than him (I disagree there, neither version have great vocals, but I'll still take WDADRU over WDADU). This comment on the drummer is just kinda an extension of that, CD sort of portraying himself the fans who pay attention to him as being "above the nonsense."
If someone actually central to DT's success, like Mike or Kevin, formed a new band and were vocal about it being better than Dream Theater, fans might listen. But, the fact is, this is all coming from the guy who, fair or not, is the main reason most DT fans ignore their first album.
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I think Charlie got way more mileage out of his DT association than I certainly would have expected. But, there were a lot of things, all of his own doing, that doomed the project eventually. First of all, the music was just no there. It was super-generic prog metal with intentional ripping of DT songs, in the hope DT fans would love that stuff. And that actually is the real issue here, he was trying to manipulate his target audience (just as he was trying to manipulate me and others to join his forum), thinking we were just stupid DT minions who he could coax into shelling our money (and our love) for his stuff too. Problem is, people immediately picked up on the manipulation and didn't take it lightly.
If you compare that to KM or Derek's music, even the immediate stuff they released after being in DT, you never felt manipulated. They were making music to make music, not to have a plaque on the wall.
rumborak
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I love the 62 votes for people that have been confirmed it's not.
Minnemann is in a different band, it's not Wildoer or Roddy as they've said as much, and Lang has a date scheduled in direct conflict with DT's tour.
Priester, though an underdog should get more votes simply because at least he is still a practical choice.
Edit: Didn't Marco even answer a question about it somewhere saying he didn't get the gig but is doing other work with JRand JP? I remember reading that somewhere.
Can't we pretty much discredit everything those guys said though? I'm pretty sure Wildoer said he didn't even audition.
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Charlie Zeleny said that he didn't audition. PW merely said that "DT would have been cool", without stating whether he auditioned or not.
As far as I see it, speculating on what they said or didn't say was pretty much pointless imo, since the hints they would drop us were so subtle/vague that everyone else could have done so and it wouldn't have made any difference.
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Great remarks from someone who's entire solo career is based on riding the wave of DT's popularity!
Yeah, and whose facebook page is full of WDADU positive reviews and links to his videos from WDADRU.
:facepalm:
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Looks like Roadrunner's YouTube page just posted the first Episode of the drummer search. It says it's not available for mobile and my work firewall prevents me from getting at it right now, so please check it out and let us know. It's called The Spirit Carries On Episode 1.
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That's nice, all 6 of Charlie's fans liked that joke.
HAHAHAHA
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Derek Sherinian, Mike Portnoy, Steve Stone, Chris Collins, Kevin Moore and you like this.
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I love the 62 votes for people that have been confirmed it's not.
Minnemann is in a different band, it's not Wildoer or Roddy as they've said as much, and Lang has a date scheduled in direct conflict with DT's tour.
Priester, though an underdog should get more votes simply because at least he is still a practical choice.
Edit: Didn't Marco even answer a question about it somewhere saying he didn't get the gig but is doing other work with JRand JP? I remember reading that somewhere.
Can't we pretty much discredit everything those guys said though? I'm pretty sure Wildoer said he didn't even audition.
agreed, there could be bluff and double bluff. As you quite rightly say Peter denied auditioning!
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Just got the first email about the "documentary". GEESH!
And we brought down the network. Way to go DT Fans. We have crashed Roadrunner ;D
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um, i guess we are migrating this discussion over to the other "Exclusive Look" thread. ugh
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Derek Sherinian, Mike Portnoy, Steve Stone, Chris Collins, Kevin Moore and you like this.
edit - wait isn't there someone else too? I can't remember all the exmembers.
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First off let me see Charlie certainly has a short fuse and has said some stupid shit, but that said some of the comments about his music and use of DT are as far from accurate as could possibly be.
@PC - I don't see how Charlie could ride on the success of Dream Theater. He was with them for the first album which is by far their least selling album, which many fans don't even know about and which others generally don't like. Derek Sherinian has flat out said his time with Dream Theater allowed him to have a successful solo career and in his case it's certainly true, though no one ever faults him at all for it. I'm not saying Sherinian isn't talented, but frankly if it weren't for Dream Theater he'd probably still be a hired hand with no one caring about his personal work.
On top of all that Charlie has produced some great albums. Sure, he has one song that has a riff similar to a Dream Theater song, but that aside anyone who says it's just a cheap Dream Theater knockoff is just being ignorant and dismissive. Yes, it's the same general genre, but I don't see anything wrong with that, nor do I have a problem with Charlie trying to drum up support from current DT fans, frankly if you enjoy DT there should be a good chance you'll enjoy Dominici because as I've said, it's the same general genre and the music is great. If you don't like the music that's fine, but people who just dismiss it because it is in the same ballpark as Dream Theater are foolish as his work is up there near the top with others of the genre.
And finally.
@Rumborak - I'm sorry if this comes off as mean, but to me at least some things are getting old, and I think the only thing that could possibly be more generic than your image of prog-metal is your posts about prog-metal, it always seems to be beating the same old dead horse.
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I fail to see the reason for all the Dominici hate and bashing. I mean it was just a joke... I even thought it was funny, and that doesn't mean I'm not excited with the documentary!
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I fail to see the reason for all the Dominici hate and bashing. I mean it was just a joke... I even thought it was funny, and that doesn't mean I'm not excited with the documentary!
It's not just that comment. It's his comments overall.
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Well, CD DOES like to stir things up a bit, so it's not surprising
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Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaawk.
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I love James LaBrie internet-isms.
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who's charlie dominici?
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Nick, the Dominator was certainly trying to ride on DT's success. Looking at some older interviews, the guy said again and again before coming out with his solo stuff that he wasn't even into the prog metal stuff Dream Theater wanted to create back then and was always the first to agree when people suggested they go a more commercial route. Then suddenly appear three Dominici records, 2 of which are, for better or worse, about as predictable as prog metal gets.
I'm not knocking people who like that kinda stuff (I have soft spot for some of those cookie cutter prog metal bands), but I just tend to prefer prog metal bands who make the genre their own more than the ones that let the genre make them. Bands who define prog metal on their own terms, like DT did back in the day, Opeth did with Blackwater Park, BtBaM are doing now, etc, are just more interesting than bands that just seem to be trying too hard for their own place under the banner of the genre.
Look, I'm not hating on Charlie. There are people out there who just can't get enough of what he does and its fine that he fills that niche. But, let's face it, he's not Dream Theater's Jon Arch. He was never a good fit to begin with, so when he comes out with new music that continues in that awkward vein of just not sounding completely "right" for him you can't really paint him as the guy who was there in the beginning and has a license to even compete with DT, especially given his admitted dislike for prog metal.
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who's charlie dominici?
A mediocre singer, who sang on the first DT album, but was dropped due to his vocal limitations. At least he contributed the cool DT logo!! :metal
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who's charlie dominici?
A mediocre singer, who sang on the first DT album, but was dropped due to his vocal limitations. At least he contributed the cool DT logo!! :metal
He hattooed himself a Majesty symbol before being kicked out of the band. That's the guy.
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who's charlie dominici?
A mediocre singer, who sang on the first DT album, but was dropped due to his vocal limitations. At least he contributed the cool DT logo!! :metal
He hattooed himself a Majesty symbol before being kicked out of the band. That's the guy.
I AM THE KILLING Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnddddddd
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i am still rooting for marco,but mangini is amazing. his audition was killer :metal,i wanted to see more
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There's a lot of people speculating around the candidates agenda ("cannot be because he's busy...") when MP used to play in DT, LTE, OSI, G3, Transatlantic, and several tributes at the same time.
These guys are not less capable than him.
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who's charlie dominici?
A mediocre singer, who sang on the first DT album, but was dropped due to his vocal limitations. At least he contributed the cool DT logo!! :metal
He hattooed himself a Majesty symbol before being kicked out of the band. That's the guy.
Charlie is sooo lame. :lol
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i am still rooting for marco,but mangini is amazing. his audition was killer :metal,i wanted to see more
I feel the same way. I've been rooting for Marco since the beginning, but Mangini seems like he could gel really well with the band. I'm pretty sure Minnemann breezed through this audition (minnemann has ridiculous independence and can easily navigate through complex time signatures and changes), and cannot f'ing wait to see him do it.
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there are only two drummers that i actually enjoy watching their solos. marco is one because he never sounds like he is just hitting stuff,his solos are very musical. the other drummer is the god of drums neil peart
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All along I haven't really had a preference who would get picked, but after the first part of the doc, I have to say that if Mangini ends up being the guy I would have no problem with that at all. Seems like he'd be a really great drummer and band member. With that said, I just listened to Stork for the first time today and holy shit, Thomas Lang is awesome. I'm kind of rooting for him now as I liked the compositions on the Stork album quite a bit and his drumming is also impeccable.
With that said, I think Priester has a much better chance of getting it than people think. His playing outside of Angra has a very 'DT/Portnoy'-esque sound to it that I could see meshing well with the guys. Just the fact that he actually turned out to be one of the 7 lends some credence to the claims a few months ago that he was given the job, when at the time some people here were arguing that there was no way that he could have even auditioned.
Given that Mangini set the bar so high I feel good about things b/c not having seen any of the other auditions yet, even if Mangini is the worst they could do (which I don't believe) then they've already got a candidate who is more than capable. If one or several of the other guys are able to beat him out for the job then the band is in a very good position moving forward.
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All along I haven't really had a preference who would get picked, but after the first part of the doc, I have to say that if Mangini ends up being the guy I would have no problem with that at all. Seems like he'd be a really great drummer and band member. With that said, I just listened to Stork for the first time today and holy shit, Thomas Lang is awesome. I'm kind of rooting for him now as I liked the compositions on the Stork album quite a bit and his drumming is also impeccable.
With that said, I think Priester has a much better chance of getting it than people think. His playing outside of Angra has a very 'DT/Portnoy'-esque sound to it that I could see meshing well with the guys. Just the fact that he actually turned out to be one of the 7 lends some credence to the claims a few months ago that he was given the job, when at the time some people here were arguing that there was no way that he could have even auditioned.
Given that Mangini set the bar so high I feel good about things b/c not having seen any of the other auditions yet, even if Mangini is the worst they could do (which I don't believe) then they've already got a candidate who is more than capable. If one or several of the other guys are able to beat him out for the job then the band is in a very good position moving forward.
man you said it!, just one questions for everyone here, who do you think that was actually the one that impressed JL at the end of episode 1 ? i´ve seing the video at least 50 times now, and i think it was marco´s audition, still im hopping is Lang!
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Lang is looking most DT IMO.
Marco is great, too and Mangini done very good job but I think he's not choosen one
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I'm not sure who to think, but I'm happy with Mangini.
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just one questions for everyone here, who do you think that was actually the one that impressed JL at the end of episode 1 ? i´ve seing the video at least 50 times now, and i think it was marco´s audition, still im hopping is Lang!
99.95% it was Marco's audition.
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just one questions for everyone here, who do you think that was actually the one that impressed JL at the end of episode 1 ? i´ve seing the video at least 50 times now, and i think it was marco´s audition, still im hopping is Lang!
99.95% it was Marco's audition.
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People have already discovered this, don't worry :)
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lmao I only just noticed the question for the poll.
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Just the fact that [Priester] actually turned out to be one of the 7 lends some credence to the claims a few months ago that he was given the job...
There were never any "claims" he got the job. Only a VERY small handful of people saying "I think it should be him."
just one questions for everyone here, who do you think that was actually the one that impressed JL at the end of episode 1 ? i´ve seing the video at least 50 times now, and i think it was marco´s audition, still im hopping is Lang!
99.95% it was Marco's audition.
https://img199.imageshack.us/i/minnemannlulz.jpg/
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Well, this has been discussed at length. There's nothing banworthy about posting something that is public knowledge. But I do have to say, if you aren't sure whether something will get you banned, posting it without asking first isn't a very smart approach.
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^^ I :heart the subtle condescension lol. Point taken nonetheless.
How long 'till this is uploaded? I am in Australia and cannot be bothered going through the whole time-zone-conversion process...
*excite bikezzzz*
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There were never any "claims" he got the job. Only a VERY small handful of people saying "I think it should be him."
There was a claim he got the job. It was at another drum forum. Some guy said something like "Priester is the drummer. I know that sounds bizarre but you guys know my track record and know I have my sources so just wait and see." And it eventually caught wind over here.
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^^ I :heart the subtle condescension lol. Point taken nonetheless.
How long 'till this is uploaded? I am in Australia and cannot be bothered going through the whole time-zone-conversion process...
*excite bikezzzz*
:lol Sorry. I don't mean it to sound condescending. But, seriously, it's just not smart to do that. If it had been banworthy, you'd be banned right now for posting it. How hard is it to just send me or the other mods a quick PM and say, "Hey, is it okay to post this?" Then you'll know whether you are safe or not. Just like a lot of other things in life, when in doubt, it's best to just ask.
There were never any "claims" he got the job. Only a VERY small handful of people saying "I think it should be him."
There was a claim he got the job. It was at another drum forum. Some guy said something like "Priester is the drummer. I know that sounds bizarre but you guys know my track record and know I have my sources so just wait and see." And it eventually caught wind over here.
Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. But as I recall, there NEVER was any information forthcoming that this guy had any special credentials or was otherwise in the know, other than he claimed he had a "track record" for being a good guesser.
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I posted months ago that an editor from the Greek Rock Hard magazine wrote that his sources claimed that the drummer was not any of the big names we all expected (so probably Priester). I got some shit for posting this, but now it seems other people had claimed the same.
Most rumors point Mangini as the new drummer, but it would be interesting to see if DT had decided for another drummer and then changed their minds.
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I really just can't see it being Priester, not because of his abilities, but because his English just isn't very good and I can't see him interacting with the band that much.
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Of all of the drummers, I think Priester is the only one I would actually be disappointed with. Although I'm sure DT had good reasons for choosing whoever they did. :)
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I was watching a video of Priester playing, and he seemed to be really good. Maybe not the same caliber as the other guys, but still seemed damn good.
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I was watching a video of Priester playing, and he seemed to be really good. Maybe not the same caliber as the other guys, but still seemed damn good.
He's not a bad drummer by any stretch. I just don't think he's DT caliber, nor is he all that interesting.
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I was watching a video of Priester playing, and he seemed to be really good. Maybe not the same caliber as the other guys, but still seemed damn good.
I saw him live with Angra. He is good but not good enough for DT.
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Episode 2 seems to indicate (from JM of all people) that it is now down to Mangini, Minnemann, and Priester or Wildoer.
Maybe we should update the poll? Keep this in real time with the doc?
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^^ I :heart the subtle condescension lol. Point taken nonetheless.
How long 'till this is uploaded? I am in Australia and cannot be bothered going through the whole time-zone-conversion process...
*excite bikezzzz*
Been posted already as of maybe 1.5 hours ago. If you go to the roadrunner records main youtube page, the second episode automatically will start playing.
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Episode 2 seems to indicate (from JM of all people) that it is now down to Mangini, Minnemann, and Priester or Wildoer.
Maybe we should update the poll? Keep this in real time with the doc?
I'm tempted - unless anyone suspects there might be a shock twist?
(Love that Priester's in the Final Four, btw. After people threw tonnes of scorn at the notion of him even auditioning.)
EDIT: Who keeps removing the "change vote" option?
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Since the first day, I've supported Mangini, but my 'heart', for some reason, is with Minnemann. Today's episode just reinforced my feelings.
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(Love that Priester's in the Final Four, btw. After people threw tonnes of scorn at the notion of him even auditioning.)
I wouldn't call it being in the "final four" when the band says "It's down to the 2 guys we've liked so-far, plus the guys who haven't auditioned yet." ;)
Though I find it ironic that JR seemed quite dismissive of any attempts at interpreting the part and adding their own flare, considering that he's done quite a bit of that live. And JP seemed to like that exact same quality...
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Since the first day, I've supported Mangini, but my 'heart', for some reason, is with Minnemann. Today's episode just reinforced my feelings.
I always felt that Mangini's the most solid choice but Minnemann's the most exciting choice.
Mangini's a lot more fun than I was expecting, and he's a very, very strong second place in my book, but Minnemann's drumming is unrivallable.
I started this sentence by typing "bracing myself for disappointment," but Mangini's appointment would be as far from disappointment as you could possibly get. What I'm bracing myself for is my favourite candidate not getting the job. Crossing my fingers he does, but Mangini would be an absolutely superb heir to the drum throne.
(Love that Priester's in the Final Four, btw. After people threw tonnes of scorn at the notion of him even auditioning.)
I wouldn't call it being in the "final four" when the band says "It's down to the 2 guys we've liked so-far, plus the guys who haven't auditioned yet." ;)
Absolutely. Even if it's just by virtue of chronology, though, it's still a lovely twist in the tale.
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Episode 2 seems to indicate (from JM of all people) that it is now down to Mangini, Minnemann, and Priester or Wildoer.
Maybe we should update the poll? Keep this in real time with the doc?
I'm tempted - unless anyone suspects there might be a shock twist?
(Love that Priester's in the Final Four, btw. After people threw tonnes of scorn at the notion of him even auditioning.)
EDIT: Who keeps removing the "change vote" option?
I don't see a shock twist. I dunno :lol
Also, DT are looking for guys who can play their stuff and make them feel comfortable. In the first episode, Mike added his little flares to the 3 DT songs, but JR said he made them feel comfortable with it. Perhaps with Lang or others who twisted MP's parts too much, maybe they felt it wasn't right.
They said they've played these songs thousands of times, so they may notice those little nuances more because they are the ones playing it, and can "feel" the musicality change...and maybe too much change is just not their preference because they want someone to keep that DT feel on the drums.
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Yeah, there's a difference between adding some personality and different accents to a song vs. playing the song differently. IMO, the former is desireable while the latter is not.
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I'm just happy that I've been voting for Marco this entire time, and it seems like his odds are pretty good. (I am basing this off that I don't trust any information anymore unless its coming straight from DTs "mouth". Not trusting FB comments or rumors etc etc)
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Marco Minnemann was amazing. He clearly nailed pretty much everything. Donati looked really off unfortunately, though he seems like a cool guy.
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Marco Minnemann was amazing. He clearly nailed pretty much everything. Donati looked really off unfortunately, though he seems like a cool guy.
^ This. Marco is my #1 choice at so far, although I think it will be Mangini, as has already been speculated.
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Yeah, there's a difference between adding some personality and different accents to a song vs. playing the song differently. IMO, the former is desireable while the latter is not.
Something I just thought of, it could be something as subtle as the drummer playing either slightly ahead of or behind the beat. MP usually played ahead (I think?) and Bonham is an example of someone who really laid it back. The DT guys could probably feel it if that was the case during the auditions.
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Marco was so great in the video. I think DT may have gone with Mangini because he really wants to be in the band, and Marco said it would be nice but didn't really seem to want it that much.
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Marco was so great in the video. I think DT may have gone with Mangini because he really wants to be in the band, and Marco said it would be nice but didn't really seem to want it that much.
Honestly, I think it's because Marco would change the public "feel" of the band quite a bit, whereas Mike will transmit a similar "feel" to MP. Drumming-wise they seem very much on par with each other.
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I'm kind of rooting for Aquiles Priester right now. Was just watching videos of him and he's really something. I think he's the guy that they seemed to be really surprised by in the preview.
You could argue that one thing about bringing in a guy like him is that a lot of the other guys are already established names, which could be a bit of a distraction from the band. I just like his style too. In his youtube videos he's playing insane stuff but just looks super calm and relaxed the whole time.
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Really? Priester? The first image I saw of him, I believe it was in the trailer, was him 'hitting' a crash. He was just pushing it so hard that it also hit the two crashes below. Come on man, I'm not that fond of having a 'perfect' technique, but that is really a bridge too far IMO.
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Marco said it would be nice but didn't really seem to want it that much.
I think what might come off as "not wanting it that much" is simply the players understanding the reality that there's a good chance someone else would get the gig and so they don't want to get their heart set on being in the band and then have it crushed.
On the other hand, that should be tempered by putting in a good effort, otherwise you might end up with what Derek did for his audition. Don't get me wrong, he's a great drummer and all, but he was clearly not prepared and not particularly into this. (edit: err I mean, he more had problems with the 2nd part with the "jam" and wasn't that into being in the band)
Yeah, there's a difference between adding some personality and different accents to a song vs. playing the song differently. IMO, the former is desireable while the latter is not.
I was kind of referring to how James said wrt to Thomas' playing that he loved him interpreting it and adding his own flare. And then later when JP just mentioned that it was interpreted quite a bit, JR commented that the fans wouldn't like it (which to me is saying he didn't like it).
And I think some of it could be that someone like JP and James might be more ok with interpretation because they're used to having lineup changes with people doing exactly that, whereas JR might feel a little less open to that done on a song he helped write. But in some way, since JR himself has done his own live interpretations at various points, it just made it ironic to me.
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One thing I've thought - and forgive it has been said already - is that a drummer is like the live band's metronome. He has to be consistent with the beat for the others to fill their required parts. If a drummer decides to embellish by adding or subtracting, it throws off the entire song's rhythm (literally).
That is how I interpret JR's comment about how they play the songs every night and what needs to be expected of the drummer.
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I was kind of referring to how James said wrt to Thomas' playing that he loved him interpreting it and adding his own flare. And then later when JP just mentioned that it was interpreted quite a bit, JR commented that the fans wouldn't like it (which to me is saying he didn't like it).
And I think some of it could be that someone like JP and James might be more ok with interpretation because they're used to having lineup changes with people doing exactly that, whereas JR might feel a little less open to that done on a song he helped write. But in some way, since JR himself has done his own live interpretations at various points, it just made it ironic to me.
How do people still not get it? Clearly they don't mind the drummers adding their own personality because the MMs did it and were praised for it.
Also, James' comment about liking the interpretations was mainly in relation to the jam, rather than the existing songs.
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While I am still praying that Marco gets the position, whilst being contempt with the idea that it is most likely Mangini, I am still not ruling out Priester. My initial thoughts after sifting through a couple of his videos was that he is way too (strictly) power-metal for DT. But after giving him another chance, there is something about his solid playing and style that would fit quite well in the band. A style that is very Portnoy like, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ATHpb1f_g
I guess we will know in time. Whoever it is, its been so awesome seeing these amazing drummers playing with the DT guys. It only sank in yesterday that I was actually witnessing Minnemann playing the spirit carries on. So amazing.
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Voted Marco since day one of the previous bets thread. But I would be shocked if it wasn't mangini. But if we get a LTE with Marco then all will be well
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How do people still not get it?
How do people think that questions like this help the conversation?
Clearly they don't mind the drummers adding their own personality because the MMs did it and were praised for it.
I guess I'll have to agree to disagree. It felt to me that they were complaining about what in another instance they would praise.
Now don't get me wrong, how much a person's personality "gels" with everyone obviously is going to cloud how much the potential complaints make them getting annoyed and such. I mean, as talented as he is I found Lang to be dull and not as into it, although he indicated that he was digging it which I guess just goes to his personality in general, whereas MM and Marco were both visibly interested and interacting... which could override any other qualms the band has.
Also, James' comment about liking the interpretations was mainly in relation to the jam, rather than the existing songs.
I swear he was referring to both, but watching it again I do see he said that it was especially referring to the jam.
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While I am still praying that Marco gets the position, whilst being contempt with the idea that it is most likely Mangini, I am still not ruling out Priester. My initial thoughts after sifting through a couple of his videos was that he is way too (strictly) power-metal for DT. But after giving him another chance, there is something about his solid playing and style that would fit quite well in the band. A style that is very Portnoy like, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ATHpb1f_g
I guess we will know in time. Whoever it is, its been so awesome seeing these amazing drummers playing with the DT guys. It only sank in yesterday that I was actually witnessing Minnemann playing the spirit carries on. So amazing.
Fuck me, that was some serious drumming.
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Well I think I know why Bosk has been against Priester this whole time. Bosk knows he got the job and he's throwing us all off the trail!
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Maybe... I can tell you one thing for sure: Come Friday, a LOT of people are going to be very surprised.
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Hmm well to me that sounds like you know that the guy it definitely is not is Mangini considering pretty much everyone believes it to be him.
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It's to obvious to be Mangini. First on audition, all DT members are satisfied with him(Myung, too), he looks like old DT member...
No, it's not Mangini.
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Hmm well to me that sounds like you know that the guy it definitely is not is Mangini considering pretty much everyone believes it to be him.
Either that or he is planning to pull a new Rebecca Black Firday theme :P
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Hmm well to me that sounds like you know that the guy it definitely is not is Mangini considering pretty much everyone believes it to be him.
Either that or he is planning to pull a new Rebecca Black Firday theme :P
Oh you're right. I forgot Bosk's mystic ways there for a second. I just assumed he was talking about drummers.
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This is getting quite juicy! ;D Oh shit, tomorrows Friday!
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Fun! Fun! Fun! Fun!
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Fun! Fun! Fun! Fun!
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*Best Darth Vadar voice* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well I think I know why Bosk has been against Priester this whole time. Bosk knows he got the job and he's throwing us all off the trail!
......except Bosky-Bosk has said over and over lately that all he knows (or has reliable-to-him-source) is the identity of one of the drummers who it ISN'T, and earlier in the thread has said that person is Priester. So we'll find out if he was right, or if he is a disinformation agent. Fun either way to me.
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Ah, the day that thousands of Dream Theater fans across the globe have been waiting for, for over 7 and a half months is almost here...
Time flies doesn't it?
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Maybe... I can tell you one thing for sure: Come Friday, a LOT of people are going to be very surprised.
I can think of 3 things that could mean.
1) It's not Mike Mangini.
2) It is Mike Mangini, but there is Marco Minnemann drama.
3) :friday:
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Ah, the day that thousands of Dream Theater fans across the globe have been waiting for, for over 7 and a half months is almost here...
Time flies doesn't it?
Indeed it does.
Tomorrow is the day everyone. Brace yourselves. :)
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Maybe... I can tell you one thing for sure: Come Friday, a LOT of people are going to be very surprised.
I can think of 3 things that could mean.
1) It's not Mike Mangini.
2) It is Mike Mangini, but there is Marco Minnemann drama.
3) :friday:
Or maybe by announcing that we will be surprised, he is then creating an atmosphere of tension and of course us expecting something interesting to happen that is out of the ordinary. However on the day he doesn't do anything at all out of the ordinary, which would then play against our expectations, and leaving us surprised. A surprise by not doing anything other than announcing a false surprise.
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Maybe... I can tell you one thing for sure: Come Friday, a LOT of people are going to be very surprised.
I can think of 3 things that could mean.
1) It's not Mike Mangini.
2) It is Mike Mangini, but there is Marco Minnemann drama.
3) :friday:
Or maybe by announcing that we will be surprised, he is then creating an atmosphere of tension and of course us expecting something interesting to happen that is out of the ordinary. However on the day he doesn't do anything at all out of the ordinary, which would then play against our expectations, and leaving us surprised. A surprise by not doing anything other than announcing a false surprise.
Xanatos gambit/10
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Did they confirm that in the end of the documentary they show who they chose or is it just that everyone here is so excited that they just assume that will happen?
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I think it was confirmed in the email. I forget though. Too lazy to go doublecheck.
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One thing I've thought - and forgive it has been said already - is that a drummer is like the live band's metronome. He has to be consistent with the beat for the others to fill their required parts. If a drummer decides to embellish by adding or subtracting, it throws off the entire song's rhythm (literally).
That is how I interpret JR's comment about how they play the songs every night and what needs to be expected of the drummer.
I second this.
Look at Virgil's alterations in the section near the end of TDOE. While it was definitely daring, technically impressive and sounded pretty cool he pretty much threw something in that he hadn't quite nailed into the middle of an already technically demanding piece. Considering DT's focus on playing tightly that's not something you want from the backbone of the band.
Even if he did nail it, it's changing the feel of something that is already very difficult to play. DT are fond of writing stuff that pushes their abilities, and a drummer who is going to significantly change things up without warning probably isn't the best choice for them.
This isn't a knock against Donati as a player, or even as a musician in general. I personally would love to see the band switch things the way he was doing, but I can definitely see why the band aren't interested in that.
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I think it was confirmed in the email. I forget though. Too lazy to go doublecheck.
No, just checked my e-mail and none of them say that they will reveal who the new drummer is.
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Maybe... I can tell you one thing for sure: Come Friday, a LOT of people are going to be very surprised.
I like that post so much.... It gives me hopes for Priester ::) :angel: :corn :metal
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AHHHH WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN
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I don't know...
but "the excitement is building..." ;)
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I need to go to the bathroom..... again...... :P
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This is going to be so good.
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I think it was confirmed in the email. I forget though. Too lazy to go doublecheck.
No, just checked my e-mail and none of them say that they will reveal who the new drummer is.
I'd be surprised if they don't reveal the drummer in the 3rd episode. This is what Jordan tweeted yesterday:
"Episode 3 is coming soon and all will be revealed! Thanks to all for watching and the amazing support."
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hey does someone knows why there was any footage for Lang prior the audition like the other drummers did? bosky? ???
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hey does someone knows why there was any footage for Lang prior the audition like the other drummers did? bosky? ???
I imagine 'cause it's an hour long show and they've got to fit seven drummers into it.
Nothing sinister or cagey... just time constraints.
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hey does someone knows why there was any footage for Lang prior the audition like the other drummers did? bosky? ???
I imagine 'cause it's an hour long show and they've got to fit seven drummers into it.
Nothing sinister or cagey... just time constraints.
Or that Lang probably didn't video himself much or at all. The footage before the auditions is I think all self-filmed, so if he didn't want to bother, then there won't be any footage to show.
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I think it was confirmed in the email. I forget though. Too lazy to go doublecheck.
No, just checked my e-mail and none of them say that they will reveal who the new drummer is.
I'd be surprised if they don't reveal the drummer in the 3rd episode. This is what Jordan tweeted yesterday:
"Episode 3 is coming soon and all will be revealed! Thanks to all for watching and the amazing support."
I missed that, maybe because I don't have a twitter account... but thanks, now for the next for hours i will be so :caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine:
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I'm exticed all day. Just 2 more hours :hefdaddy
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Congrats MM :D
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Looks like this thread can finally be locked :)
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Congrats MM :D
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Well, I feel better about Mangini after the documentary, but I still was really hoping for Minnemann. Let's see what happens I guess.
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Damn, that was great, Manginis a perfect choice!!
Goodbye, thread!
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I guess we can archive this thread then :)
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Excellent choice. I am very optimistic. Carry on guys!
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One thing I just noticed: At the beginning of the phone conversation, everybody going like "Hello, this is such-and-such", and after JM introduces himself, MM says "My hands are shaking."
Yet another proof that JM is one intimidating mofo. :neverusethis:
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:) my God.. Peter wildoer is a great guy!!!! thank you mr peter for being such a class act!!!
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I think his reaction to the news shows they got they right guy. Totally excited!
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I'm gonna miss this thread, kind of. :lol
100 pages full of shit and nonsense :heart
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To answer the poll, I think it's gonna be Mike Mangini.
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To answer the poll, I think it's gonna be Mike Mangini.
You really think he's got a chance?
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so mike mangini is that pokemon :metal
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I'm gonna miss this thread, kind of. :lol
100 pages full of shit and nonsense :heart
I think we will have 141 new pages in archives :)
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As expected, this epic beast of a thread has been archived. Thanks to everyone who participated and made the wait so much fun! And thanks to Rob for setting up in the first place. :D