Re: DT16 Timeline Thread - John finished recording guitar parts

[efx]

I would assume since it's their recording space that stuff is set up to always be able to quickly start recording, be it demo scratch tracks or final takes.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

I would assume since it's their recording space that stuff is set up to always be able to quickly start recording, be it demo scratch tracks or final takes.

maybe they will do impromptu covers and do a bonus disc a la black clouds and silver linings. i'd love to hear a cover of Umphrey Mcgees Mantis or maybe Miles Davis' Bitches Brew. JR could do all the brass parts with synth patches

[Progmaniac1988]

I would assume since it's their recording space that stuff is set up to always be able to quickly start recording, be it demo scratch tracks or final takes.

maybe they will do impromptu covers and do a bonus disc a la black clouds and silver linings. i'd love to hear a cover of Umphrey Mcgees Mantis or maybe Miles Davis' Bitches Brew. JR could do all the brass parts with synth patches

Throw a Mahavishnu cover in there too lol

[The Paddies]

@Paddies

A lot of those you listed aren’t ballads, otherwise Bosk and I wouldn’t have made that claim. Why didn’t you list Octavarium, A Change of Seasons, etc? Those have soft acoustic sections too.

Maybe we have different views on what's a ballad and what's not. I'm curious what songs I mentioned don't pass as a ballad for you and why. You say 'a lot'. I really can't see it that way actually. I think the songs I listed can all pass as ballads, because they are overall 'softer' and heavily based on melody, without heavy sections. And the lyrics, emotions and pathos of all the mentioned songs scream 'ballad', in my view anyway.

The big difference with the both long songs you mention is that those songs have metal sequences as well and therefore don't qualify as a ballad in my opinion. You mention it yourself: they have 'acoustic sections'. But they are much more than those acoustic sections.

I on the other hand prefer Another Day, Surrounded, Wait For Sleep The Silent Man, Lifting Shadows Off A Dream, Space-Dye Vest, To Live Forever, Eve, Hollow Years, Anna Lee, Through My Words, Through Her Eyes, One Last Time, The Spirit Carries On, Disappear, Goodnight Kiss, Vacant and I Walk Beside You over all these songs actually.

From the MM era ones I like Barstool Warrior and This Is The Life the most. Followed shortly by The Bigger Picture.

Of your list I wouldn't consider The Bigger Picture or One Last Time ballads. It comes down to both of them having heavier sections. Granted, not as heavy as, say, The Mirror or As I Am, but still much heavier than something that is unambiguously a ballad, like Wait for Sleep.

Two songs. That's not 'a lot'. ;-)
And those might be a bit debatable but I can still consider them as ballads, also because This Is The Life was mentioned by the others and I consider that as 'heavy' or as rock orientated as One Last Time and The Bigger Picture. But we are really nitpicking now and I'm okay to agree to disagree. This is not the most important discussion in the world. ;-)

[nobloodyname]

Does this imply that they have finished writing the full album? Or are recording a song as soon as it comes together before moving back to writing other pieces?

I imagine he might be just experimenting with the chocolate cake recipe, to get the right guitar tone for recording.

The chocolate cake needs to go! Chocolate, chocolate, chocolate... that's all we've have for the last few albums.

[ReaperKK]

I would assume since it's their recording space that stuff is set up to always be able to quickly start recording, be it demo scratch tracks or final takes.

maybe they will do impromptu covers and do a bonus disc a la black clouds and silver linings. i'd love to hear a cover of Umphrey Mcgees Mantis or maybe Miles Davis' Bitches Brew. JR could do all the brass parts with synth patches

Covers disc would be cool.

How many songs do you think this album is going to have (apologies if this has already been discussed)

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

I would assume since it's their recording space that stuff is set up to always be able to quickly start recording, be it demo scratch tracks or final takes.

maybe they will do impromptu covers and do a bonus disc a la black clouds and silver linings. i'd love to hear a cover of Umphrey Mcgees Mantis or maybe Miles Davis' Bitches Brew. JR could do all the brass parts with synth patches

Covers disc would be cool.

How many songs do you think this album is going to have (apologies if this has already been discussed)

Hopefully either 4 (2 epics and 2 singles) or 18 (lots of shorter songs making up a conceptual album) a la The Astonishing

[ReaperKK]

My guess is 9 tracks. Do you think there will be an epic broken up into pieces, like Six Degrees or ITPOE?

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

i think they have at least one epic. can't imagine the record not having one. i'd prefer if they didn't break it up personally

[Adami]

i think they have at least one epic. can't imagine the record not having one. i'd prefer if they didn't break it up personally

Same.


Just hoping they do something fresh and not just by the numbers.

[crystalstars17]

i think they have at least one epic. can't imagine the record not having one. i'd prefer if they didn't break it up personally

Same.

Third that.

[Wim Kruithof]

funny thing, I do care so much for next album, but I really do not care at all what it would be like. I love it being pure metal like Train of Thought just as much as I love it being more melodic and diverse, like Images and Words or Octavarium. Even if they feel like having fun and drop a piece like Systematic Chaos, I would adore it also.

I am over the moon that they're back together and I will see them reunited (for my first time) next tour. As long as they get the album where they want it to be, I will recieve it with my arms wide open.

[geeeemo]

funny thing, I do care so much for next album, but I really do not care at all what it would be like. I love it being pure metal like Train of Thought just as much as I love it being more melodic and diverse, like Images and Words or Octavarium. Even if they feel like having fun and drop a piece like Systematic Chaos, I would adore it also.

I am over the moon that they're back together and I will see them reunited (for my first time) next tour. As long as they get the album where they want it to be, I will recieve it with my arms wide open.

I agree. Anything DT does, I am going to be so excited, and I can't wait to hear what it is. It's not so much about Portnoy being reuinted, (although I am excited to hear the different dynamic, maybe more texture in the vocals area as well - I like all his growly stuff), its that it is New Dream Theater music.
There is no bad Dream Theater music for me. I have favorites, but even the couple of songs in their discography I don't care for, are still better than most music.

[gzarruk]

There is no bad Dream Theater music for me. I have favorites, but even the couple of songs in their discography I don't care for, are still better than most music.

Completely agree with you

[Logain Ablar]

One element I’m hoping for is some strong, memorable melodies. As much as I liked A View, that was an area I felt was lacking a little. There were some moments where there was maybe a tasty vocal line in a verse that made me sit up and take notice, but frustratingly never came back again, or wasn’t built on.

I’ll give an example: Sleeping Giant. The verse seems to flow fine, but when it comes to the chorus, the melody is just ok, but I don’t think it really takes off, or elevates the song to the level I’m hoping it would.

If that makes any kind of sense.. 

[Trav86]

One element I’m hoping for is some strong, memorable melodies. As much as I liked A View, that was an area I felt was lacking a little. There were some moments where there was maybe a tasty vocal line in a verse that made me sit up and take notice, but frustratingly never came back again, or wasn’t built on.

I’ll give an example: Sleeping Giant. The verse seems to flow fine, but when it comes to the chorus, the melody is just ok, but I don’t think it really takes off, or elevates the song to the level I’m hoping it would.

If that makes any kind of sense.. 

I agree 100%

I would assume since it's their recording space that stuff is set up to always be able to quickly start recording, be it demo scratch tracks or final takes.

maybe they will do impromptu covers and do a bonus disc a la black clouds and silver linings. i'd love to hear a cover of Umphrey Mcgees Mantis or maybe Miles Davis' Bitches Brew. JR could do all the brass parts with synth patches

Covers disc would be cool.

No no no…please God NO.

[Setlist Scotty]

Covers disc would be cool.

No no no…please God NO.

As a bonus like they did for BCaSL, what would be wrong with them doing covers?

[King Puppies and the Acid Guppies]

Covers disc would be cool.

No no no…please God NO.

As a bonus like they did for BCaSL, what would be wrong with them doing covers?

Yeah, if you don't like covers, you don't have to listen to it. No one is going to force you to.

[jammindude]

Ya, I think if it were a bonus disc only, a disc of new covers might be kinda cool.

[OpenYourEyes311]

Personally, I'm hoping for a Majesty 40th Anniversary EP. Now that the OG trio is back together it would be sick to get a fresh studio recording with James and Jordan. I'd take it as a bonus disc for the new album, or just drop it as an EP in '25. I'd enjoy that more than covers.

[TAC]

Personally, I'm hoping for a Majesty 40th Anniversary EP. Now that the OG trio is back together it would be sick to get a fresh studio recording with James and Jordan. I'd take it as a bonus disc for the new album, or just drop it as an EP in '25. I'd enjoy that more than covers.

Amen, brother!

[RaiseTheKnife]

Does this imply that they have finished writing the full album? Or are recording a song as soon as it comes together before moving back to writing other pieces?

I imagine he might be just experimenting with the chocolate cake recipe, to get the right guitar tone for recording.

The chocolate cake needs to go! Chocolate, chocolate, chocolate... that's all we've have for the last few albums.

Yeah, less calories in JP's tone please. Especially his over saturated chorus live tone.  Live at Luna Park is hard to digest with all that frosting.

[Cool Chris]

People wanting a covers disc, a re-recording of WDaDU, and something about chocolate cake?! What the heck is going on in this thread?

[Mosh]

I would probably be more into them remaking Majesty era songs than covers. But if they did make another covers disc, I would like to see them lean more into deep cuts like on BCSL.

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

One element I’m hoping for is some strong, memorable melodies. As much as I liked A View, that was an area I felt was lacking a little. There were some moments where there was maybe a tasty vocal line in a verse that made me sit up and take notice, but frustratingly never came back again, or wasn’t built on.

I’ll give an example: Sleeping Giant. The verse seems to flow fine, but when it comes to the chorus, the melody is just ok, but I don’t think it really takes off, or elevates the song to the level I’m hoping it would.

If that makes any kind of sense.. 

It makes perfect sense to me. Sleeping Giant was my biggest disappointment on that album and it was due to what you said.

I find that DT hooks/chorus melodies are usually a grab bag each album. You're going to get some very solid ones, some fine, and then some deflaters. I bet DT16 follows that pattern.

[SwedishGoose]

Covers disc would be cool.

No no no…please God NO.

As a bonus like they did for BCaSL, what would be wrong with them doing covers?

To me the bonus disc was the best part of BC&SL

[Stadler]

funny thing, I do care so much for next album, but I really do not care at all what it would be like. I love it being pure metal like Train of Thought just as much as I love it being more melodic and diverse, like Images and Words or Octavarium. Even if they feel like having fun and drop a piece like Systematic Chaos, I would adore it also.

I am over the moon that they're back together and I will see them reunited (for my first time) next tour. As long as they get the album where they want it to be, I will recieve it with my arms wide open.

I agree. Anything DT does, I am going to be so excited, and I can't wait to hear what it is. It's not so much about Portnoy being reuinted, (although I am excited to hear the different dynamic, maybe more texture in the vocals area as well - I like all his growly stuff), its that it is New Dream Theater music.
There is no bad Dream Theater music for me. I have favorites, but even the couple of songs in their discography I don't care for, are still better than most music.

I'm in this camp, 100%; well, 90% because the return of Portnoy is a big part of my excitement.  I respect others, and what matters to them because we're all different, but FOR ME, I don't care about how many songs are on the record, or how long or any of that.  I can't name one song I like that is because "it's one of nine songs on the record!" or "because it's over 12 minutes long!".   I like songs because I liked the way the notes and rhythms are strung together.   I like them because they MOVE me.  I'm hoping for something that MOVES ME.   

[hefdaddy42]

Covers disc would be cool.

No no no…please God NO.

As a bonus like they did for BCaSL, what would be wrong with them doing covers?

To me the bonus disc was the best part of BC&SL

Me too, because I didn't like the main part of BC&SL.

If they are going to take time and energy to record music at all, I would much rather it be new original DT music than covers.  I just don't see the point of them recording covers.  Please no covers.

[crystalstars17]

Personally, I'm hoping for a Majesty 40th Anniversary EP. Now that the OG trio is back together it would be sick to get a fresh studio recording with James and Jordan. I'd take it as a bonus disc for the new album, or just drop it as an EP in '25. I'd enjoy that more than covers.

I love that idea! 💖

For covers, something really classic please, like when they covered Pink Floyd.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

they could do a disc-length mashup of Close to the Edge, The Revealing Science of God, The Gates of Delirium, and Awaken. The ultimate prog cover. then as it fades out you hear the 9/8 part from Supper's Ready and there is a grand Genesis fake out ending

[Wim Kruithof]

Stadler exactly, count me in.

On each album (even Falling Into Infinity) they have songs that move me, sometimes Dream Theater brings tears into my eyes, other times I am time-signaturing on each table or chair in here.  Whenever I feel bad, they have lots of songs that feels comfortable, but when I wanna have some metal riffs to bang along, they do also.

And in the fall of their musician live, each album that comes is a blessing, which I'll 'absorb'...

[devieira73]

Personally, I'm hoping for a Majesty 40th Anniversary EP. Now that the OG trio is back together it would be sick to get a fresh studio recording with James and Jordan. I'd take it as a bonus disc for the new album, or just drop it as an EP in '25. I'd enjoy that more than covers.

Amen, brother!

It's the coolest and right way to celebrate their 40th anniversary!

[goo-goo]

I revisited Six Degrees (Disc 1) and FII and can't/will never get bored out of those two albums. I'm kind of burned out by SFAM (played it like crazy) and some of the older stuff as well. I'm quite excited what MP will bring to the table with DT's new writing style (or I think a better word is "evolution") since the last albums are quite different from the older stuff (for better or worse, that is a whole different conversation).

While I don't expect anything ground breaking, I do expect a return to the much "older, classic" DT sound (like FII, SFAM, Six Degrees) which is what I miss the most about DT's current sound. For me, musically, that was the DT's best era. SC, ToT, and Black Clouds, while I appreciate those albums for what they are (and have some awesome headbanging songs), the band's writing style had become stale at that point in my opinion.

[TAC]

I would probably be more into them remaking Majesty era songs than covers.

Yes please!!!

[gborland]

I don't want covers or revisited old stuff.

I just want 75 minutes of awesome spine-tingling new DT.