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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: EPICVIEW on January 06, 2020, 11:37:38 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSRNrVjISRQ
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The last album I enjoyed from him was Down to Earth, back in 2001 (?). He just hasn't had any quality songs written for him since then. Boring riffs, boring melodies, stupid lyrics. I'm surprised so many people seem to like this based on the video's comments. Put this up against any of his classic material and it completely pales in comparison.
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I'll make you scream, I'll make you defecate.
Really? This is what Ozzy has become? -sigh-
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I'll make you scream, I'll make you defecate.
Really? This is what Ozzy has become? -sigh-
Ozzy (tm)
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Did I read Wiki correct that this song was cowritten by Duff McKagen and Slash?
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My opinion of Ozzy(tm) is pretty much the same as my opinion of Hot Topic. And their "business model" and trajectory is almost identical.
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My opinion of Ozzy(tm) is pretty much the same as my opinion of Hot Topic. And their "business model" and trajectory is almost identical.
Completely disagree.
Hot Topic didn't peak in the 80's/early 90's. :P
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Id give the song about a 7.5 max ,,,,meh ,,,, and I love Ozzy
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My opinion of Ozzy(tm) is pretty much the same as my opinion of Hot Topic. And their "business model" and trajectory is almost identical.
Completely disagree.
Hot Topic didn't peak in the 80's/early 90's. :P
:rollin :rollin
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Id give the song about a 7.5 max ,,,,meh ,,,, and I love Ozzy
7.5 is meh? That's 75/100. That's a passing score for sure.
I'd give this a 4/10 at most.
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Yeah, that's pretty awful. What a sad parody Ozzy has become. I'm of a similar opinion as expressed by Grapp, except that I was decidedly off the Ozzy bandwagon long before 2001.
EDIT: :rollin at this in the comments:
Ozzy: i am the dark lord
Sauron: am I a joke to you?
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Id give the song about a 7.5 max ,,,,meh ,,,, and I love Ozzy
7.5 is meh? That's 75/100. That's a passing score for sure.
I'd give this a 4/10 at most.
well at his age I dont ask for much and Im sure the album is just a reason to tour, I dont think anything "classic" will come from this album : )
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well at his age I dont ask for much and Im sure the album is just a reason to tour, I dont think anything "classic" will come from this album : )
In the abstract, I have zero problem with this sentiment. I think it's perfectly acceptable for an artist to put out something that, admittedly, they know does not approach the magic of the glory days as a justification to get out on the road and reconnect with the fans. But I do have a problem taking the artist seriously when the quality seems to be lacking and the product makes me feel like the artist does not have anything to say creatively and is just phoning it in. This makes me feel the latter.
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Nothing special, nothing new. And the autotune can be heard kilometers away.
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It's my understanding that Slash plays on it, but didn't write it.
Eh. I'm a huge Ozzy fan, and certainly his work up through No More Tears is worthy of the legend. Every album since has been, for me, a step down (and the last two are ridiculous steps down; I'm not a fan of the more industrial sound of the last two, and frankly, I don't like what I've heard so far (though I'm not a fan of online snippets and samples; I need to hear it in my car to really know).
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I listened to the first 45 seconds or so. I turned it off after "I'll make you scream. I'll make you defecate." Just awful. The music is an attempt to modernize Ozzy. I get it. But Oz looks like death warmed over with fresh makeup. He's been done for 20 years...
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Id give the song about a 7.5 max ,,,,meh ,,,, and I love Ozzy
7.5 is meh? That's 75/100. That's a passing score for sure.
I'd give this a 4/10 at most.
well at his age I dont ask for much and Im sure the album is just a reason to tour, I dont think anything "classic" will come from this album : )
Look, big Ozzy fan, but even that... it's not like you're going to see a Kiss or Maiden stage show, or get a three-hour Dream Theater show. Even Ozzy live is qualified by "I don't ask for much". At least seeing Sabbath the final time I got to see Geezer and Tony up close. (I was third row right in front of Geezer and it was legendary). Ozzy was good, but he wasn't the focus of the band or the reason they kicked ass.
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Id give the song about a 7.5 max ,,,,meh ,,,, and I love Ozzy
7.5 is meh? That's 75/100. That's a passing score for sure.
I'd give this a 4/10 at most.
well at his age I dont ask for much and Im sure the album is just a reason to tour, I dont think anything "classic" will come from this album : )
Look, big Ozzy fan, but even that... it's not like you're going to see a Kiss or Maiden stage show, or get a three-hour Dream Theater show. Even Ozzy live is qualified by "I don't ask for much". At least seeing Sabbath the final time I got to see Geezer and Tony up close. (I was third row right in front of Geezer and it was legendary). Ozzy was good, but he wasn't the focus of the band or the reason they kicked ass.
Maybe Live he will still have the ( some ) gravitas,,,, he is OZZY. it would be sad if he was gone,,
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He's playing about 45 minutes from me (assuming the tour goes on). A buddy and I might make the trip if we have nothing better to do, but I saw him last (solo) in '96 on the "Retirement Sucks" tour (with Joe Holmes) and it was nothing to write home about.
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He's playing about 45 minutes from me (assuming the tour goes on). A buddy and I might make the trip if we have nothing better to do, but I saw him last (solo) in '96 on the "Retirement Sucks" tour (with Joe Holmes) and it was nothing to write home about.
Hmmmmm that does not sound promising bro,,,,,
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Hey, if you've never seen him you have to go once. And I would assume that older is wiser; he sang in a lower register when I saw him with Sabbath in... 2016 I think it was, and while he was occasionally flat, he didn't suck, and you knew he was singing live. It was a great show, and it's a privilege to watch Ozzy sing some of those classics with Tony and Geezer.
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I'll make you scream, I'll make you defecate.
Really? This is what Ozzy has become? -sigh-
LOL! I wasn't sure I had heard that right, but that's about where I turned it off.
That was downright awful. The main riff was ok, but the "alright now!" and "flying high again" call backs got my eyes rolling (I assume there were other call backs). It made me think of that one Yes song (or maybe it was ABWH) where they did that, and that's not really a good thing.
Yeah, that's pretty awful. What a sad parody Ozzy has become. I'm of a similar opinion as expressed by Grapp, except that I was decidedly off the Ozzy bandwagon long before 2001.
Yup. Last Ozzy album I bought for myself was No Rest (and I don't think I have it anymore). My wife has a couple of the 90s Ozzy albums (the one with No More Tears and one other). Capt. Pinch Harmonic killed Ozzy for me, but this song is a new level of bad.
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Hey, if you've never seen him you have to go once. And I would assume that older is wiser; he sang in a lower register when I saw him with Sabbath in... 2016 I think it was, and while he was occasionally flat, he didn't suck, and you knew he was singing live. It was a great show, and it's a privilege to watch Ozzy sing some of those classics with Tony and Geezer.
I had tickets to seem him on the hairspray tour (The Ultimate Sin). I was only going to see Metallica. Cliff was still alive. Ozzy cancelled. (the official story was laryngitis, but rumors abound that Metallica was blowing him off the stage). Cliff died two months later. I never got to see Metallica with Cliff.
I'm still bitter. ...but I can kindof laugh about it now. ...but I haven't loved Ozzy since Diary, and I haven't liked him since NRftW....and maybe a couple tracks from NMT.
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Yeah, I’m with most here that he’s done pretty much nothing decent since No More Tears which was excellent. I saw him live on the tour for that album as a teenager (it was the second metal show I ever saw and the first proper big theatre concert) and he was absolutely incredible, one of the best frontmen I’ve ever seen and Zakk Wylde was also a full on rockstar back then. Incredible show.
I then saw Sabbath (I was at the concert recorded for the Reunion live cd) and that was a monumental show. The excitement in that arena was palpable, proper grown men crying stuff. It was just classic riff after classic riff and relentless brilliance. Yes, by then, Ozzy didn’t go for some of the higher notes but it didn’t matter.
Last time I saw him was the Ozzfest UK in 2002. Line up was awesome, Tool, SOAD, Slayer and Ozzy obviously closed the show. I thought he seemed pretty washed up even then, could hardly even raise his arms to clap. Zakk was also now a bloated pale shadow of his former self and seemed to have run out of ideas.
The guy is a legend but should have quit after those two Sabbath (proper Sabbath with Bill Ward) shows and gone out on a high. Wouldn’t pay to see him now even if he was playing within walking distance.
The only songs I can remember being half decent since NMT are Perry Mason and the song on Slash’s first solo album.
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Yeah, that song was pretty fucking shit. Should have been taken down a couple of keys too. The whole thing actually reminds me a Muse.
Fucking crap solo too.
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Considering where he was in his career (two-plus decades), it still blows my mind how amazing No More Tears is...a late-career highlight at the time that I still consider to be amongst his finest work. Hard to believe that was nearly 30 years ago!
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well at his age I dont ask for much and Im sure the album is just a reason to tour, I dont think anything "classic" will come from this album : )
In the abstract, I have zero problem with this sentiment. I think it's perfectly acceptable for an artist to put out something that, admittedly, they know does not approach the magic of the glory days as a justification to get out on the road and reconnect with the fans. But I do have a problem taking the artist seriously when the quality seems to be lacking and the product makes me feel like the artist does not have anything to say creatively and is just phoning it in. This makes me feel the latter.
I agree but,,,,,,, I simply have low expectations with his health issues etc,,,,, id not say phoning it in but its not magical for sure,,,
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I'll make you scream, I'll make you defecate.
Really? This is what Ozzy has become? -sigh-
Steel Panther Smiled : )
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I had tickets to seem him on the hairspray tour (The Ultimate Sin). I was only going to see Metallica. Cliff was still alive. Ozzy cancelled. (the official story was laryngitis, but rumors abound that Metallica was blowing him off the stage). Cliff died two months later. I never got to see Metallica with Cliff.
I'm still bitter. ...but I can kindof laugh about it now. ...but I haven't loved Ozzy since Diary, and I haven't liked him since NRftW....and maybe a couple tracks from NMT.
The "hairspray tour." :lol :lol :lol
I can confirm the rumors. The Seattle shows were scheduled for June 21 & 22, 1986. I saw the June 14 show in Long Beach, which ended up being the third to last show that Metallica opened for Ozzy. Ozzy played a relatively short set on the Bark tour two years earlier, but it was my first metal show, so I didn't know any better. On the Sin tour, he only played for about 70 minutes. I remember when he did the whole "thankyougoodnight" after Iron Man that it was really short, but maybe he'd do a long encore. Nope. Just Paranoid. The best part of it was that he gave Metallica a bit of a longer set than most openers got at the time, and Metallica was indeed the highlight of the evening.
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I had tickets to seem him on the hairspray tour (The Ultimate Sin). I was only going to see Metallica. Cliff was still alive. Ozzy cancelled. (the official story was laryngitis, but rumors abound that Metallica was blowing him off the stage). Cliff died two months later. I never got to see Metallica with Cliff.
I'm still bitter. ...but I can kindof laugh about it now. ...but I haven't loved Ozzy since Diary, and I haven't liked him since NRftW....and maybe a couple tracks from NMT.
The "hairspray tour." :lol :lol :lol
I can confirm the rumors. The Seattle shows were scheduled for June 21 & 22, 1986. I saw the June 14 show in Long Beach, which ended up being the third to last show that Metallica opened for Ozzy. Ozzy played a relatively short set on the Bark tour two years earlier, but it was my first metal show, so I didn't know any better. On the Sin tour, he only played for about 70 minutes. I remember when he did the whole "thankyougoodnight" after Iron Man that it was really short, but maybe he'd do a long encore. Nope. Just Paranoid. The best part of it was that he gave Metallica a bit of a longer set than most openers got at the time, and Metallica was indeed the highlight of the evening.
He cancelled in Providence on that tour. I was so bummed to miss Metallica.
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Man, that was awful. Surprisingly so since the last single he put out was perfectly decent.
And seeing him in that video tells me that I was right to include him in my 2020 deadpool. Damn, he looks awful.
I had tickets to seem him on the hairspray tour (The Ultimate Sin). I was only going to see Metallica. Cliff was still alive. Ozzy cancelled. (the official story was laryngitis, but rumors abound that Metallica was blowing him off the stage). Cliff died two months later. I never got to see Metallica with Cliff.
I'm still bitter. ...but I can kindof laugh about it now. ...but I haven't loved Ozzy since Diary, and I haven't liked him since NRftW....and maybe a couple tracks from NMT.
The "hairspray tour." :lol :lol :lol
I can confirm the rumors. The Seattle shows were scheduled for June 21 & 22, 1986. I saw the June 14 show in Long Beach, which ended up being the third to last show that Metallica opened for Ozzy. Ozzy played a relatively short set on the Bark tour two years earlier, but it was my first metal show, so I didn't know any better. On the Sin tour, he only played for about 70 minutes. I remember when he did the whole "thankyougoodnight" after Iron Man that it was really short, but maybe he'd do a long encore. Nope. Just Paranoid. The best part of it was that he gave Metallica a bit of a longer set than most openers got at the time, and Metallica was indeed the highlight of the evening.
He cancelled in Providence on that tour. I was so bummed to miss Metallica.
That sucks. You've seen my pictures from that show. Suffice it to say that Metallica was young and hungry and Ozzy was coasting his way through everything back then.
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Yeah. He came back that September, but with Queensryche, but since I thought RFO kind of blew, I just sold my ticket.
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The consolation prize was that they came back to Seattle in December as a headliner at Mercer Arena (so the old rumors that they weren't doing arenas until after AJFA are a load of hooey).
Local heroes Metal Church opened (original singer David Wayne was still alive and the whole band stormed the set on pogo sticks during Metallica's encore). So in some ways we probably ended up with a better show than we would have got opening for Ozzy... But still....missing the opportunity to see Cliff is irritating.
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The consolation prize was that they came back to Seattle in December as a headliner at Mercer Arena (so the old rumors that they weren't doing arenas until after AJFA are a load of hooey).
Local heroes Metal Church opened (original singer David Wayne was still alive and the whole band stormed the set on pogo sticks during Metallica's encore). So in some ways we probably ended up with a better show than we would have got opening for Ozzy... But still....missing the opportunity to see Cliff is irritating.
Yeah, they (Metallica) played in Providence in October or November too, and I believe Metal Church opened here too. I didn't go, and honestly, I have no idea why.
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Man, how amazing would it be if Ozzy got all the old musicians back together (Jake E Lee, Zakk Wylde, BOB DAISLEY, Tommy Aldridge, etc etc), bury the hatchet, give them all a nice paycheck for a week or two of work, and do one last hurrah album/project for one of the greatest icons in the history of music. You know, maybe do something special for the fans? Fans as in people who ACTUALLY spend money on his music and go to his concerts.
But nah...once again they get a Pop/HipHop producer to write an album in 4 days and dig up Duff McKagen and Slash to guest appear. Booooo.
I have no problem with Ozzy doing duets with Post Malone, but it is a bit of a shame that it’s the best thing he’s done in at least 20 years now.
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All of this "his last good album was No More Tears"-type chatter is mystifying, considering how good Ozzmosis was. :metal :metal
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I was thinking the same thing................that sort of era is where it stops for me but I would tack Ozzmosis onto the end of the 'golden era' and say that I basically don't care for anything much after that.
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Heck...Lemmy was the only thing that saved No More Tears...
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Ozzmosis is aight. A few decent tracks, but definitely the end for Oz as a serious/relevant musician.
It’s definitely a step down from No More Tears, though. Say what you want about Zakk Wylde, he kiiiilled it on that album. A great guitar album.
After Ozzmosis, Ozzy just seemed to be done. Down to Earth was released to cash in on the reality show. Everything else has just been producer written shlock. If actually writing an album in a BAND context is out of the question, it seems like he needs a team of writers to crank out a decent album, a la No More Tears/Ozzmosis.
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In all fairness, that Pop/Hip-Hop producer used to be in a band with Glenn Hughes and Jason Bonham. California Breed. They were all right. Opened for Alter Bridge in 2014. Sad that the band didn't last long, but good for Andrew Watt finding success in other outlets of music. Also, I would think he would have a good idea, working with Glenn Hughes, on how a classic rock-sounding album should be like in modern times. Working with Ozzy with his "limitations" would be a challenge, I would think though.
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Who the fuck is Post Malone? Sounds made up.
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Who the fuck is Post Malone? Sounds made up.
Probably one of the top 5 recording artists of the last few years. Wildly successful albums in 2018 and 2019, with over 60 million records sold (whatever that means today). Not my cup of tea but his song with Ozzy...isn’t terrible. Catchy with a half decent guitar solo which is more than I can say for the two solo singles that have been released so far. Not sure what was the catalyst to work with Ozzy was but apparently he’s a huge old school metal/Black Sabbath fan.
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Who the fuck is Post Malone? Sounds made up.
Probably one of the top 5 recording artists of the last few years. Wildly successful albums in 2018 and 2019, with over 60 million records sold (whatever that means today). Not my cup of tea but his song with Ozzy...isn’t terrible. Catchy with a half decent guitar solo which is more than I can say for the two solo singles that have been released so far. Not sure what was the catalyst to work with Ozzy was but apparently he’s a huge old school metal/Black Sabbath fan.
Wow. Shows how out of touch with the mainstream I am. Seems a strange matchup. It's not like Ozzy needs mainstream success or money or anything.
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Who the fuck is Post Malone? Sounds made up.
I figured it was a reference to the time after Karl Malone retired from the NBA.
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Post Malone is sadly garbage
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That's not accurate. We might not like his music, but the guy IS talented. He's not just a "hey big name producer, throw down some beats and I'ma going to riff" rapper.
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Who the fuck is Post Malone? Sounds made up.
I figured it was a reference to the time after Karl Malone retired from the NBA.
:lol
Oh, and Ozzmosis is excellent.
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That song is terrible.
What's the point of Ozzy doing another record? He's got plenty of dough. He's got a legacy. He must have greed, or someone else close to him does.
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That song is terrible.
What's the point of Ozzy doing another record? He's got plenty of dough. He's got a legacy. He must have greed, or someone else close to him does.
You're right, there's no real point him doing another album unless it's something with a bit of heart and some thought and effort put into it. I guess he just wants to stay as relevant as possible. Well, probably Sharon anyway.
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I don't get the hate for Sharon, really. I mean, I do, but just because the music isn't what we want/like doesn't necessarily mean it's all Sharon behind the scenes forcing Ozzy to do shit he doesn't want to do. For all Ozzy's past, with the drugs and the infidelity and illnesses, I can very much see him wanting to do this to stay busy. Up until the 2000's you can't really say Ozzy was ever about the money; if he was, he really made some dumb ass decisions. And he's always been relatively insecure about his place in the sun. Once he got out from under the shadow of Black Sabbath, it's been an almost constant thing for him to try to be "The Prince Of Darkness"TM
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Once he got out from under the shadow of Black Sabbath, it's been an almost constant thing for him to try to be "The Prince Of Darkness"TM
Just for the heck of it, I searched the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office's database and found two registrations for "[The] Prince of Darkness." One was less than a year ago (and has since been abandoned) by a Missouri LLC called The Prince of Darkness, LLC (no apparent connection to Ozzy). The list of goods and services made me chuckle: "Promoting the goods and services of others in the fields of management of celebrities, attorneys, namely, divorce attorneys, hospitals, funeral homes, steely eyed bankers and loan officers, bail bondsmen and repossessors, insurance adjusters, pay day loan companies, politicians, members of Congress, Satanic Temple, Baphomets, and Jayhawks." http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4802:udlaej.2.1
The other, also abandoned, registration was from 2016 and was in connection with clothing and other such things.
The time is now for SharOzzy to turn the "TM" into a circle-R.
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I take the new stuff for what it is. I mean the dude is 70 years old now, it's just cool that he is still alive honestly. I like these new songs better than his other most recent stuff (last couple albums). Far from his best without question, but not bad. He isn't sounding like Tony Bennett or Johnny Cash, he's still trying to be a rocker. I give him credit. :hat
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I think Ozzy is just as capable as Johnny Cash was in turning out a respectable album this late in his career. Even Sabbath’s 13, while no masterpiece, had a lot of good things going for it.
Unfortunately, Kevin Churko started writing his music and modernized it using what I believe to be Rob Zombie and Marilyn Manson as a template, foregoing the metal sound and theatrical guitar driven music for a more polished, less guitar more beat/synthesizer heavy sound, with radio friendly sing along-y choruses.
It seems like Andrew Watt is continuing that trend. I think it’s dreadful but judging from a lot of social media comments SOME people seem to dig it. It is what it is.
Maybe I’m bias but if I were Ozzy I’d hire John Petrucci (an admitted Randy Rhoads fan) to write an album and get Bob Daisley back to write the lyrics.
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Err....I don't think Bob Daisley would be up for that.
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Err....I don't think Bob Daisley would be up for that.
Shhhh
Don’t spoil my fantasy
I didn’t say Ozzy wouldn’t have to show up at Bob’s house in a Brinks truck full of cash to make it happen. It’s not like JP would be chomping at the bit either given Ozzy’s history of compensating former guitarists...
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Err....I don't think Bob Daisley would be up for that.
Shhhh
Don’t spoil my fantasy
I didn’t say Ozzy wouldn’t have to show up at Bob’s house in a Brinks truck full of cash to make it happen. It’s not like JP would be chomping at the bit either given Ozzy’s history of compensating former guitarists...
JP is an interesting selection for Ozzy mate.
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Who the fuck is Post Malone? Sounds made up.
I figured it was a reference to the time after Karl Malone retired from the NBA.
I was thinking some sort of Cheers sequel, and maybe Sam had died.
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I don't get the hate for Sharon, really.
Somebody activated the El Barto signal!
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Jesus, it sounds like his dentures are sliding out when he's singing and does his Ss
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HAHA, going to the airport with my daughter yesterday and she says "hey check out this song I like!" and it's Post Malone and Ozzy. I kind of dig it, but the rest of the Post Malone she played (from his new album) is far better. There's little straight rapping, and more singing.
Again, you may not like his gig, but he's the real deal.
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HAHA, going to the airport with my daughter yesterday and she says "hey check out this song I like!" and it's Post Malone and Ozzy. I kind of dig it, but the rest of the Post Malone she played (from his new album) is far better. There's little straight rapping, and more singing.
Again, you may not like his gig, but he's the real deal.
He seems like a decent kid,, the face tat thing is kinda "loserish" but his music is not for me, but most music isnt for me LOL
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That song is terrible.
What's the point of Ozzy doing another record? He's got plenty of dough. He's got a legacy. He must have greed, or someone else close to him does.
Part of me feels like he is nearing the end of his life, he had a real bad accident that took him out for awhile, everyone thinks he's dying... he probably feels he still has something to prove. Haven't listened to any of his new songs, but I will. As of now, I still have a ticket to see him this summer at MSG from the cancelled show last year. I keep wondering if it will even happen but if he's got new music, then I feel like the show will go on.
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That song is terrible.
What's the point of Ozzy doing another record? He's got plenty of dough. He's got a legacy. He must have greed, or someone else close to him does.
Part of me feels like he is nearing the end of his life, he had a real bad accident that took him out for awhile, everyone thinks he's dying... he probably feels he still has something to prove. Haven't listened to any of his new songs, but I will. As of now, I still have a ticket to see him this summer at MSG from the cancelled show last year. I keep wondering if it will even happen but if he's got new music, then I feel like the show will go on.
I agree,
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HAHA, going to the airport with my daughter yesterday and she says "hey check out this song I like!" and it's Post Malone and Ozzy. I kind of dig it, but the rest of the Post Malone she played (from his new album) is far better. There's little straight rapping, and more singing.
Again, you may not like his gig, but he's the real deal.
Agreed. I’ll say it again, for all the flack Ozzy got for doing this, it’s legit the best thing he’s done in 20 years (although that’s not saying THAT much). And while Post Malone isn’t my thing, he’s much less offensively bad than most “artists” currently in the top 40.
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The Post Malone song isn't of any interest to me , but the new song with Elton is probably the closest he has got to his classic (ballad) style in ages
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWUxkZEuJG4
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That cover art for the album tho :rollin
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I've enjoyed all 3 songs so far.... even with some of the questionable lyric decisions in Straight to Hell.
Then again I can't bring myself to fully dislike anything by him. I pretty much like every album. Ozzmosis being the most criminally underrated IMO
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https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/ozzy-osbourne-opens-parkinsons-diagnosis-family-helped-back/story?id=68416861
Apparently he has Parkinson's.
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https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/ozzy-osbourne-opens-parkinsons-diagnosis-family-helped-back/story?id=68416861
Apparently he has Parkinson's.
Ugh thas awful news,, same as Glenn in Judas ,,, very sad news
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Parkinson's really sucks ass, but in his case it's probably an upgrade from the assumptions we've been making. If he's just been laying low dealing with that then he's likely got a few good years ahead of him. I had assumed he was pretty much shutting down. Had I known this I probably wouldn't have put him on my deadpool list.
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I think it's he's had something like this for a while. The signs have been there for quite a bit.
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I think it's he's had something like this for a while. The signs have been there for quite a bit.
Yeah and it's a bloody miracle he's still kicking at all with what he's done to himself. He's a marvel really - even with Parkinson's .
If I tried it I would've carked it at 30yo - either that or being married to Sharon would've seen me lose my marbles very early in the piece.
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Even just from The Osbourne series years ago, it was clear he had early onset of a degenerative disease. Drugs definitely would have come in to play but the signs were clearly there. Who I am to say but it seems surprising that it was only diagnosed a year ago.
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Even just from The Osbourne series years ago, it was clear he had early onset of a degenerative disease. Drugs definitely would have come in to play but the signs were clearly there. Who I am to say but it seems surprising that it was only diagnosed a year ago.
Now that I think about it, it kind of does feel like maybe there were signs awhile ago, but I think a lot of us, me included, just attributed it all to him being fried from all the drugs. I'm amazed he is still going on here and honestly, a lot of people have been giving him shit and telling him to quit for years and years now, I feel more inspired to see him if he makes it here than ever before knowing everything he's been going through.
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He acknowledged those symptoms a while back - the shaking - and I thought he said it was a non-Parkinson's type disorder that looked bad but didn't really have any lasting material effects, and could be off-set by medicine.
I guess that's either not the case, or it progressed.
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He acknowledged those symptoms a while back - the shaking - and I thought he said it was a non-Parkinson's type disorder that looked bad but didn't really have any lasting material effects, and could be off-set by medicine.
I guess that's either not the case, or it progressed.
Yes, I remember him saying that in the past too.
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The 2020 NA tour has been cancelled (which was postponed from 2019)
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/ozzy-osbourne-cancels-2020-north-american-no-more-tours-2-dates/?fbclid=IwAR15CbVFcFLXb811Xy1kekg0sUMTJ-8WOwtnv5sjsNqQRtYjFV6BerEFRfY (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/ozzy-osbourne-cancels-2020-north-american-no-more-tours-2-dates/?fbclid=IwAR15CbVFcFLXb811Xy1kekg0sUMTJ-8WOwtnv5sjsNqQRtYjFV6BerEFRfY)
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Those last two paragraphs or so were brutal to read. I feel bad for him. I'm not really down with the music lately, but that's on me, not him. I'm loathe to tell him what to do, but maybe it's time to tinker in the studio and release shit as it comes up, and not worry about the latest iteration of "Paranoid" warbled out in front of 9,000 drunk concertgoers.
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very sad and somber news ,,,, I will pray for Ozzy
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Sorry it's him. There are far more deserving Osbournes.
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Speaking of, I just saw Sharon on The View, or The Talk, or whatever the fuck (I'm in an airport, not my call), and she looked HORRIBLE. Not the typical "Sharon at 67 trying to look 52" horrible, or the "it's not plastic surgery, it's a chemical peel" horrible, but that tired, haggard look that I've seen too many times from the spouses of family members when the sand through the hour glass was getting noticeably measured.
All speculation, and meaningless, I get that. But I saw her face - as I said, tired, bags under the eyes, looking spent - and the first thing I thought was "I hope Ozzy is okay", if not musically then at least in a life sense. I don't think he is, frankly.
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I don't think things are well either. She could also just be upset at all the money lost.
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I don't think things are well either. She could also just be upset at all the money lost.
I've never bought into the "she needs his money" theory. Setting aside all of the money she's made from reality television, no small figure, she's probably stashed away a sizeable amount of Ozzy's money over the years. At this point I'd call her independently wealthy. Estimates are that they're worth a combined 220m. I have no idea if that's right or not, but I suspect it's reasonably close. Unless he did something fantastically wonderful like bequeathed all of his money to the SPCA or something, she's not going to be hurting after he dies. Real shame too, the filthy cunt.
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I don't think things are well either. She could also just be upset at all the money lost.
I've never bought into the "she needs his money" theory. Setting aside all of the money she's made from reality television, no small figure, she's probably stashed away a sizeable amount of Ozzy's money over the years. At this point I'd call her independently wealthy. Estimates are that they're worth a combined 220m. I have no idea if that's right or not, but I suspect it's reasonably close. Unless he did something fantastically wonderful like bequeathed all of his money to the SPCA or something, she's not going to be hurting after he dies. Real shame too, the filthy cunt.
Yea, I threw that out since it's a common thought of her bleeding Ozzy dry for cash. I have no idea what I personally believe, I just don't like Sharon for what she did to Bruce and Iron Maiden.
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I don't think things are well either. She could also just be upset at all the money lost.
I've never bought into the "she needs his money" theory. Setting aside all of the money she's made from reality television, no small figure, she's probably stashed away a sizeable amount of Ozzy's money over the years. At this point I'd call her independently wealthy. Estimates are that they're worth a combined 220m. I have no idea if that's right or not, but I suspect it's reasonably close. Unless he did something fantastically wonderful like bequeathed all of his money to the SPCA or something, she's not going to be hurting after he dies. Real shame too, the filthy cunt.
Yea, I threw that out since it's a common thought of her bleeding Ozzy dry for cash. I have no idea what I personally believe, I just don't like Sharon for what she did to Bruce and Iron Maiden.
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I don't think things are well either. She could also just be upset at all the money lost.
I've never bought into the "she needs his money" theory. Setting aside all of the money she's made from reality television, no small figure, she's probably stashed away a sizeable amount of Ozzy's money over the years. At this point I'd call her independently wealthy. Estimates are that they're worth a combined 220m. I have no idea if that's right or not, but I suspect it's reasonably close. Unless he did something fantastically wonderful like bequeathed all of his money to the SPCA or something, she's not going to be hurting after he dies. Real shame too, the filthy cunt.
Yea, I threw that out since it's a common thought of her bleeding Ozzy dry for cash. I have no idea what I personally believe, I just don't like Sharon for what she did to Bruce and Iron Maiden.
And me. Not to mention Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake.
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What did she do to Bruce and Iron Maiden?
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What did she do to Bruce and Iron Maiden?
It's from wikipedia, but I think this is what happened.
Ozzfest Incident
In 2005, Iron Maiden co-headlined the US festival tour, Ozzfest, with Black Sabbath. Lead singer Ozzy Osbourne's wife, Sharon, encouraged family friends and members of other bands to sabotage Iron Maiden's last performance at Hyundai Pavilion in San Bernardino, California, on 20 August,[78] in an attack which Rod Smallwood criticised as "vile, dangerous, criminal and cowardly", as well as disrespectful to fans who had paid to see the band perform "a full unhindered performance".[79] Osbourne ordered interference with the band's PA, delayed the entrance of Eddie, the band's mascot,[80] and encouraged members of the Osbourne camp to throw eggs, lighters and bottle tops from the front of the audience.[81] According to Dickinson, the attack was in response to his "disparaging remarks about reality-TV shows that she took personally",[81] although The Guardian reported that he slated the Osbournes' reality series and accused Ozzy Osbourne of using a teleprompter.[80] Dickinson has since denied making comments against Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath,[82] but admitted that he criticised Ozzfest throughout the tour, attacking their "corporate" seating layout and saying, "Most of the bands are there because they paid to be there."[83]
Following the concert at San Bernardino, Osbourne released a further statement which accused Dickinson of making several anti-American comments,[84] of which Classic Rock stated that "nobody can present any cast-iron evidence".[77] In addition, Osbourne claimed that the flag-waving during "The Trooper" was disrespectful to American troops,[84] at the time fighting alongside the British in Iraq, even though Dickinson had always held a Union Flag during the song, being based on the Battle of Balaclava during the Crimean War.[77] It was also reported that Steve Harris had spoken to Ozzy Osbourne in San Bernardino, apologising for Dickinson's comments,[85] which Harris denies, stating that his words had been "twisted".[82]
One of those sources led me to this article.
One big lesson I've learned is that you cross Sharon Osbourne at your peril.
I once made some disparaging remarks about reality-TV shows that she took personally. When we played Ozzfest in 2005, she organised a group of people near the stage who pelted us with bottle tops, lighters and eggs. Our revenge was to simply carry on regardless and play the best show of the day. So her plan badly misfired. I haven't changed my views about reality TV either. I think it's a complete disgrace – freak-show television, the lowest of the low.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1022475/He-aint-heavy-hes-captain----Iron-Maiden-rocker.html
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Oh, I know about the egg incident. My understanding was that Bruce was being his usual dick self throughout that whole tour.
Not in anyway defending Sharon. She's a fucking witch.
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That snippet doesn't quite do it justice. They shut the P.A. off at specific times calculated to cause the most disruption. The first chorus to Trooper and just as the solos began in Hallowed are the two I remember, but there were one or two other instances. And they didn't finish those songs as a result. They also commandeered the P.A. to try and instigate "Ozzy" chants at the beginning and end of Maiden's set. The first time merely confused people and the second was drowned out by well-earned "Maiden" chant. Bruce was right about one thing. They did play a killer set. Certainly better than Sabbath's, which was quite strong. Adversity really fires those guys up.
I also got to see Maiden's only US non-Ozfest show on that tour, and while not mentioning anybody by name, Bruce was pretty disparaging of rockstars who need teleprompters and reality TV shows to keep them in the spotlight. Maiden certainly wouldn't have had to pay to be part of the package, like the rest of the bands, so they were really guests on the tour. A little professional courtesy would have been in order, I think. I can understand why FCSO would have been hacked off at him (she took the stage to call him a prick after their set), but there's no excuse for taking out your anger on the fans that paid to see the concert (and in some cases traveled to do so >:().
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Oh, I know about the egg incident. My understanding was that Bruce was being his usual dick self throughout that whole tour.
Not in anyway defending Sharon. She's a fucking witch.
I mean, yes....he was making really snide remarks about the Osbourne's being reality TV show stars from the stage. Which is admittedly a pretty dick move.
But pelting them with foreign objects from the audience, encouraging others to do the same and ARMING them to do so...and then PULLING THE POWER so the fans get screwed out of a show they paid money for is not the answer. In fact, any ONE of those things is not the answer, but ALL THREE is unforgivable in my book. There's a point when payback is no longer payback. She's obviously one of those people that can't stop at "getting even"....she has to ramp it up to the point where everybody involved gets it a thousand times over.
EDIT - and don't EVEN get me started on what she did to Daisley and Kerslake. >:( >:( >:( :censored :censored :censored
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I actually like some of his solo albums quite a bit (being Blizzard, Diary, No Rest and Ozzmosis), although I have no expectations about the new one (that being said, I'm not as invested in his work, although I like his solo work quite a bit more than his Sabbath albums, because of his vocal style in his solo albums)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmBb8IjGJmA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmBb8IjGJmA)
5 minute interview of ozzy and sharon talking to howard stern about it. Seems all legit and it's weird how Howard makes them sound like they were in the right and this was a cool thing to do :facepalm: I'm glad I cancelled him this year (I had never heard this before just now).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmBb8IjGJmA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmBb8IjGJmA)
5 minute interview of ozzy and sharon talking to howard stern about it. Seems all legit and it's weird how Howard makes them sound like they were in the right and this was a cool thing to do :facepalm: I'm glad I cancelled him this year (I had never heard this before just now).
I feel like one talent of Howard's is ALWAYS making the person feel like they are the heroes of even the worst parts of their stories. I mean, he could very well have Iron Maiden on the next day and make them feel like they were horribly wronged by the evil Sharon. It's an honest talent of a host like that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmBb8IjGJmA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmBb8IjGJmA)
5 minute interview of ozzy and sharon talking to howard stern about it. Seems all legit and it's weird how Howard makes them sound like they were in the right and this was a cool thing to do :facepalm: I'm glad I cancelled him this year (I had never heard this before just now).
Seems to me that Ozzy, and particularly Sharon, are going to be exactly the sorts of people Howard would love. He and Sharon are essentially in the same business, and they both understand the power of tabloid media. They'd get along great, and I'd honestly be surprised if they weren't friends IRL. Whereas Bruce is precisely the opposite. He's always hated the tabloidial side of celebrity, in part because it's just his nature, and in part because it's never been kind to him. I suspect he'd want nothing to do with Howard, and the feeling is probably mutual.
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Oh for sure, Howard and SHaron are like best buds. She's been on the show many times including fairly recently (sometime in 2019).
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I'm sorry, but I might have to ask some of us here about the context of Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake, I know they were on Ozzy's first two albums with Randy Rhoads and that's all I know.
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I'm sorry, but I might have to ask some of us here about the context of Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake, I know they were on Ozzy's first two albums with Randy Rhoads and that's all I know.
When an agreement on royalties couldn't be reached (or something other on the financial side of things), they re-recorded their parts on the two first Ozzy solo albums to cut them off from future earnings.
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I'm sorry, but I might have to ask some of us here about the context of Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake, I know they were on Ozzy's first two albums with Randy Rhoads and that's all I know.
When an agreement on royalties couldn't be reached (or something other on the financial side of things), they re-recorded their parts on the two first Ozzy solo albums to cut them off from future earnings.
ah ok
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It goes a little further than that. They were fired immediately after recording Diary because they dared to ask to be paid. Sharon pretty much erased them from history at that point. Aldridge and Sarzo appeared in all of the promo stuff, while Kerslake and Daisly got pretty much nada. Years later they sued to get a proper accounting of the royalties they were due, and that's when Sharon had them removed from the remasters because of their "abusive" behavior. It was big news last year when Kerslake finally got the platinum record he was due, 35 years later, and that only happened because he's on death's door.
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Been listening to a lot of 90's ozzy lately.
I truly love See you on the other side
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Been listening to a lot of 90's ozzy lately.
I truly love See you on the other side
I'm not a gigantic fan of Ozzmosis (although it's certainly way better than anything following it), but that is indeed a great, great song.
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Been listening to a lot of 90's ozzy lately.
I truly love See you on the other side
See You On The Other Side is a Top 5 Ozzy song, and Ozzmosis is a Top 5 Ozzy album...probably #4.
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See You On the Other Side is great. I really like Ozzmosis, yeah it probably is Top 5 for me.
Not sure about this new Ozzy stuff, it is pretty unlistenable for me...
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Ozzmosis! :metal :metal
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Been listening to a lot of 90's ozzy lately.
I truly love See you on the other side
See You On The Other Side is a Top 5 Ozzy song, and Ozzmosis is a Top 5 Ozzy album...probably #4.
See You on the Other Side is a good Ozzy song, but Ozzmosis? Eeeaaughgggh, not a good album.
The last good thing Ozzy did was the last Black Sabbath album, 13.
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Ozzmosis is definitely his last listenable album- but the cracks were starting to show.
He had some of his biggest success yet using outside writers for No More Tears- so he does this in an even bigger way with Ozzmosis and the results are very hit or miss. Clearly, they were trying to “modernize” Ozzy (something they’re STILL trying to do in 2022, unfortunately).
I think the most interesting thing about Ozzmosis is that Steve Vai was brought in for the writing sessions and possible replacement to Zakk Wylde. Vai is diplomatic but if you read between the lines in interviews, it sounds like the guitarist was asking too many questions like “who is going to get publishing, songwriting credit, etc”.
“Oh don’t worry about it, we’ll take care of you!” says the Sharon/Ozzy camp who have screwed over virtually every musician they’ve worked with. This is pure conjecture but Vai, being the industry veteran, and shrewd business person that his is, probably smelled the BS and “noped” out of that situation in a hurry. He did contribute one song, though- “My Little Man”.
As someone who greatly prefers Vai’s playing within the context (and confines) of a band- it’s interesting to think what an Ozzy/Vai album would have sounded like. With the exception of Perry Mason- I find most of Zakk’s guitar work tired and uninspired here, especially compared to his work on No Rest and No Tears which is the stuff of guitar gods. Unfortunately, Zakk’s solos in ALL of his projects after No More Tears sound uninspired- I suspect you might need a Michael Wagener-like producer to coax a thoughtful, well-composed solo out of him.
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Happy to be corrected but if memory serves me right I think Vai wrote and recorded quite a few songs with Ozzy before it all folded. My Little Man was obviously the only song that made it to the album but am sure there were more!?
BTW quite like the new Ozzy single with Lommi Degredation Rules \m/
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I'm just glad we only had to wait 2.5 years for a new album instead of 10 this time. I was dang sure for a while there that Scream would be the last one.
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Happy to be corrected but if memory serves me right I think Vai wrote and recorded quite a few songs with Ozzy before it all folded. My Little Man was obviously the only song that made it to the album but am sure there were more!?
BTW quite like the new Ozzy single with Lommi Degredation Rules \m/
Yeah the rumor is they had a ton of material before the project with Vai was abandoned, which gives even more credence to my theory that Ozzy/Sharon tried to pull songwriting credit shenanigans with Vai and he pulled the plug.
Case in point, apparently, Lemmy wrote the lyrics to “My Little Man” for his son Rand but receives no credit on the album. Also, there’s the issue of the guitar solo; Vai hasn’t commented directly (that I know of) but his camp claims he appears nowhere on the album- but the performance sounds an awful lot like Vai to me. It’s either Zakk doing his best Vai impression or Vai doing his best Zakk impression- most likely the former but there is definitely a tremolo utilized at the end which would be highly unusual for Zakk.
And yeah, Degradation Rules is probably the first song he’s put out since he started working for Andrew Watt that doesn’t totally suck…probably because someone with a background in actual metal music was involved…go figure.
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Wow, I never knew Vai was apart of My little man. Now when I hear it, I can't not hear Vai :lol
The first song I ever heard from Ozzy was I just want you. I think I was like 7 and I remember digging it and then I learned more and more about his music going forward. Hellraiser is another favorite and I didn't hear that for the first time until GTA san andreas.
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Ozzmosis is definitely his last listenable album- but the cracks were starting to show.
He had some of his biggest success yet using outside writers for No More Tears- so he does this in an even bigger way with Ozzmosis and the results are very hit or miss. Clearly, they were trying to “modernize” Ozzy (something they’re STILL trying to do in 2022, unfortunately).
I think the most interesting thing about Ozzmosis is that Steve Vai was brought in for the writing sessions and possible replacement to Zakk Wylde. Vai is diplomatic but if you read between the lines in interviews, it sounds like the guitarist was asking too many questions like “who is going to get publishing, songwriting credit, etc”.
“Oh don’t worry about it, we’ll take care of you!” says the Sharon/Ozzy camp who have screwed over virtually every musician they’ve worked with. This is pure conjecture but Vai, being the industry veteran, and shrewd business person that his is, probably smelled the BS and “noped” out of that situation in a hurry. He did contribute one song, though- “My Little Man”.
As someone who greatly prefers Vai’s playing within the context (and confines) of a band- it’s interesting to think what an Ozzy/Vai album would have sounded like. With the exception of Perry Mason- I find most of Zakk’s guitar work tired and uninspired here, especially compared to his work on No Rest and No Tears which is the stuff of guitar gods. Unfortunately, Zakk’s solos in ALL of his projects after No More Tears sound uninspired- I suspect you might need a Michael Wagener-like producer to coax a thoughtful, well-composed solo out of him.
This!
I have a lot of love for Ozzmosis as it was the first Ozzy album I bought on release day.
I was 11 when No More Tears came out, so for me, that is THE Ozzy album by which I measure all others.
Your points on Ozzmosis are right on–the record takes a lot of what was good about NMT and attempts to modernize it. "Thunder Underground," "Perry Mason," and "I Just Want You" are example of where this works. Some of the other tracks fell a little flat (at the time), but I've really come to appreciate the album as a whole.
"Desire" and "Tomorrow" are mid-album highlights and "My Jekyll Doesn't Hide" has a massive riff. In fact, the only track that I've remained cold on is "Old LA Tonight." Compared to NMT's closer ("Road to Nowhere"), "Old LA....." is a bit of a letdown.
Ok, so here is the most controversial thing I've typed in quite a long time: if I had to pick two, and ONLY two Ozzy albums to take with me to that goddamned dessert island, I'd take No More Tears and Ozzmosis.
Yes, even over Blizzard and Madman–whenever I'm in the mood for some solo-Ozzy, I start with the '90s and go back from there.
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The production on Ozzmosis always sounded a bit weird to me (I guess the drums especially...?)
Again, it was somewhat of a letdown for me after No More Tears, but it's overall a very enjoyable album.
I generally agree on the songs WilliamMunny highlighted... I like the vibe on "I Just Want you", although I can't help but think of Madonna's La Isla Bonita every time I listen to it ;)
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Been listening to a lot of 90's ozzy lately.
I truly love See you on the other side
See You On The Other Side is a Top 5 Ozzy song, and Ozzmosis is a Top 5 Ozzy album...probably #4.
See You on the Other Side is a good Ozzy song, but Ozzmosis? Eeeaaughgggh, not a good album.
The last good thing Ozzy did was the last Black Sabbath album, 13.
I'm with the group on "See You On The Other Side", it's a great song, but I'm with you on Ozzmosis. I don't get it.
I smell ranking!!!
Diary of a Madman (1981)
Blizzard of Ozz (1980)
No More Tears (1991)
Bark at the Moon (1983)
No Rest for the Wicked (1988)
The Ultimate Sin (1986)
Ozzmosis (1995)
Down to Earth (2001)
Black Rain (2007)
Scream (2010)
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The production on Ozzmosis always sounded a bit weird to me (I guess the drums especially...?)
The production is ridiculously awful.
I feel like if it had a proper production, people would really feel differently, because I think most of the songs on this are fantastic.
I also consider Ozzmosis the most "Sabbath" of the Ozzy solo albums.
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I always enjoyed that album, some really good songs. I haven't spun it in probably 10 years though.
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I've literally never seen this before..
Ozzy from Rock In Rio 1985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgUCnnbJdb4
Nice to hear an actual live vocal from him.
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I've literally never seen this before..
Ozzy from Rock In Rio 1985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgUCnnbJdb4
Nice to hear an actual live vocal from him.
Nice! Saved for later...
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So if Rhoads had survived, do you guys think he would have stayed with Ozzy all the way through or that he would have bailed after potentially getting the Jake E lee, bob daisy treatment?
Also, did zakk get messed with like they others did or was he treated somewhat fairly?
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So if Rhoads had survived, do you guys think he would have stayed with Ozzy all the way through or that he would have bailed after potentially getting the Jake E lee, bob daisy treatment?
What I remember reading, and I don't have a source offhand for this, was that Randy had reluctantly agreed to do what became Speak of The Devil (a live album of Sabbath covers) and one more studio album, but he was leaving after that. He died before any of that could happen, obviously.
What Ozzy says in the Don't Blame Me documentary is "I don't think for a minute that Randy would still be with me."
Randy had intended to go to college and study classical guitar.
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So if Rhoads had survived, do you guys think he would have stayed with Ozzy all the way through or that he would have bailed after potentially getting the Jake E lee, bob daisy treatment?
He agreed to do one more album. He was vehemently against the Speak Of the Devil set of Black Sabbath songs. I believe he eventually acquiesced but informed the Osbournes that his next album would be his last.
Dammit..ninja'd by Scenes2112
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As for Zakk, I think it's complicated, and not a "yes or no" question; I don't think he gets f-ed with as much as Jake did, but I also don't think he makes waves. I think Zakk is more of a go-with-the-flow guy.
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I dont speak much,,, but what do you all think of the new ozzy? I was very friendly with Jake E who was and is a super guy,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_6DfxA6LiI
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Been listening a lot to The Ultimate Sin. Kind of slept on it until now, but Wow, I really dig this album. Jake E lee has a cool style.
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Been listening a lot to The Ultimate Sin. Kind of slept on it until now, but Wow, I really dig this album. Jake E lee has a cool style.
:tup :metal
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I went to grab my copy of The Ultimate Sin, but I tripped and fell from the huge step down from Bark At The Moon.
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Kade...................some help over here? Tim's picking on The Ultimate Sin again :lol
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Happy to be corrected but if memory serves me right I think Vai wrote and recorded quite a few songs with Ozzy before it all folded. My Little Man was obviously the only song that made it to the album but am sure there were more!?
BTW quite like the new Ozzy single with Lommi Degredation Rules \m/
Yeah the rumor is they had a ton of material before the project with Vai was abandoned, which gives even more credence to my theory that Ozzy/Sharon tried to pull songwriting credit shenanigans with Vai and he pulled the plug.
Case in point, apparently, Lemmy wrote the lyrics to “My Little Man” for his son Rand but receives no credit on the album. Also, there’s the issue of the guitar solo; Vai hasn’t commented directly (that I know of) but his camp claims he appears nowhere on the album- but the performance sounds an awful lot like Vai to me. It’s either Zakk doing his best Vai impression or Vai doing his best Zakk impression- most likely the former but there is definitely a tremolo utilized at the end which would be highly unusual for Zakk.
And yeah, Degradation Rules is probably the first song he’s put out since he started working for Andrew Watt that doesn’t totally suck…probably because someone with a background in actual metal music was involved…go figure.
Bit late in replying sorry but yes this I always assumed it 'was' Vai on the released track so would be cool to have an honest answer. Never understood the fuck over the Osbourne's have given peeps over the years is half the reason I gave up purchasing any his new releases many moons ago and the last time I bothered seeing him live was for his Ozzman cometh tour back in think it was 98?
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I went to grab my copy of The Ultimate Sin, but I tripped and fell from the huge step down from Bark At The Moon.
Is it really though? To me both have some really great songs and both have some average forgettable songs. As a whole the huge step down is going from Diary to Bark.
I think it is easy to dismiss The Ultimate Sin as Ozzy was going through his drag queen phase at the time.
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I went to grab my copy of The Ultimate Sin, but I tripped and fell from the huge step down from Bark At The Moon.
Is it really though? To me both have some really great songs and both have some average forgettable songs. As a whole the huge step down is going from Diary to Bark.
I think it is easy to dismiss The Ultimate Sin as Ozzy was going through his drag queen phase at the time.
Ultimate Sin is way better than Bark at the Moon.
Bark has maybe 3 good songs- (Bark, Centre, and Waiting for Darkness)- the rest of the album ranges from bad to really bad. I consider it, easily, the worst of the classic Ozzy albums.
I’d argue that Ultimate Sin (while maybe not reaching the heights of the Bark at Moon single) doesn’t have a bad song, except Thank God for the Bomb, which is really just a shit chorus but has some great playing from Jake.
Some kickass playing from Randy Castillo throughout too. For a “glam album”, Ozzy could have done a lot worse.
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Happy to be corrected but if memory serves me right I think Vai wrote and recorded quite a few songs with Ozzy before it all folded. My Little Man was obviously the only song that made it to the album but am sure there were more!?
BTW quite like the new Ozzy single with Lommi Degredation Rules \m/
Yeah the rumor is they had a ton of material before the project with Vai was abandoned, which gives even more credence to my theory that Ozzy/Sharon tried to pull songwriting credit shenanigans with Vai and he pulled the plug.
Case in point, apparently, Lemmy wrote the lyrics to “My Little Man” for his son Rand but receives no credit on the album. Also, there’s the issue of the guitar solo; Vai hasn’t commented directly (that I know of) but his camp claims he appears nowhere on the album- but the performance sounds an awful lot like Vai to me. It’s either Zakk doing his best Vai impression or Vai doing his best Zakk impression- most likely the former but there is definitely a tremolo utilized at the end which would be highly unusual for Zakk.
And yeah, Degradation Rules is probably the first song he’s put out since he started working for Andrew Watt that doesn’t totally suck…probably because someone with a background in actual metal music was involved…go figure.
Bit late in replying sorry but yes this I always assumed it 'was' Vai on the released track so would be cool to have an honest answer. Never understood the fuck over the Osbourne's have given peeps over the years is half the reason I gave up purchasing any his new releases many moons ago and the last time I bothered seeing him live was for his Ozzman cometh tour back in think it was 98?
I'm not a huge fan of Sharon, but I think at this point we're just piling on. Van DID get a credit on the song, didn't he? Lemmy got a number of credits in the catalogue over the years, didn't he? It doesn't really make sense to just arbitrarily, on a song-by-song basis, fuck with people.
I mean, I get not buying his stuff now - since Ozzmosis, his records have been a disappointment to say the least (the two with Churko are far worse than that) - but if Sharon is so bad, if she's such a stick in the mud, why do big name artists that have been around the industry and should (and do) know better still get involved with him?
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Happy to be corrected but if memory serves me right I think Vai wrote and recorded quite a few songs with Ozzy before it all folded. My Little Man was obviously the only song that made it to the album but am sure there were more!?
BTW quite like the new Ozzy single with Lommi Degredation Rules \m/
Yeah the rumor is they had a ton of material before the project with Vai was abandoned, which gives even more credence to my theory that Ozzy/Sharon tried to pull songwriting credit shenanigans with Vai and he pulled the plug.
Case in point, apparently, Lemmy wrote the lyrics to “My Little Man” for his son Rand but receives no credit on the album. Also, there’s the issue of the guitar solo; Vai hasn’t commented directly (that I know of) but his camp claims he appears nowhere on the album- but the performance sounds an awful lot like Vai to me. It’s either Zakk doing his best Vai impression or Vai doing his best Zakk impression- most likely the former but there is definitely a tremolo utilized at the end which would be highly unusual for Zakk.
And yeah, Degradation Rules is probably the first song he’s put out since he started working for Andrew Watt that doesn’t totally suck…probably because someone with a background in actual metal music was involved…go figure.
Bit late in replying sorry but yes this I always assumed it 'was' Vai on the released track so would be cool to have an honest answer. Never understood the fuck over the Osbourne's have given peeps over the years is half the reason I gave up purchasing any his new releases many moons ago and the last time I bothered seeing him live was for his Ozzman cometh tour back in think it was 98?
I'm not a huge fan of Sharon, but I think at this point we're just piling on. Van DID get a credit on the song, didn't he? Lemmy got a number of credits in the catalogue over the years, didn't he? It doesn't really make sense to just arbitrarily, on a song-by-song basis, fuck with people.
I mean, I get not buying his stuff now - since Ozzmosis, his records have been a disappointment to say the least (the two with Churko are far worse than that) - but if Sharon is so bad, if she's such a stick in the mud, why do big name artists that have been around the industry and should (and do) know better still get involved with him?
I know the comment wasn’t directed towards me but we ARE talking about the same people who swapped the drum and bass tracks out of two classic albums out of spite- who knows what goes through Sharon’s head (although I consider Ozzy a big boy too and just as culpable here).
Beyond the new bass/drum tracks (a mistake that was corrected in later releases) the only truly egregious shenanigan the Osbournes did was “All lyrics and music by Ozzy Osbourne” on the Bark at the Moon album.
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Don't disagree and I'm not naive or blind. I just think that there are limits to ascribing EVERYTHING we don't like to Sharon (even if I'm guilty of it too; see my rants about the re-releases of the early Ozzy solo records).
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Don't disagree and I'm not naive or blind. I just think that there are limits to ascribing EVERYTHING we don't like to Sharon (even if I'm guilty of it too; see my rants about the re-releases of the early Ozzy solo records).
If it walks like a duck…etc
She is one of the people I can count on one hand out of 8 billion that I truly feel is just a completely rotten human being inside and out.
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Don't disagree and I'm not naive or blind. I just think that there are limits to ascribing EVERYTHING we don't like to Sharon (even if I'm guilty of it too; see my rants about the re-releases of the early Ozzy solo records).
If it walks like a duck…etc
She is one of the people I can count on one hand out of 8 billion that I truly feel is just a completely rotten human being inside and out.
Yeah, she’s a peach- from my understanding she more or less poached Ozzy from both his management AND his wife at the time, proceeds to rip off nearly every talent they work with and (according to rumor and innuendo) tells her children that their grandfather is dead, only reconciling to avoid some sort of litigation. Her father, Don Arden was cutthroat music mogul himself, with apparent mob ties, so clearly it runs in the family.
Credit to where credit is due, she’s managed to spin her story to that of a long suffering wife/manager of an out of control rocker/man-child whom she saved. At least that how I’m sure the biopic will present the story.
On the flip side Ozzy’s had a career that has spanned over 50 years now and Sharon was a primary driver in that. Not a small feat.
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https://eddietrunk.com/ozzy-osbourne-says-he-doesnt-want-to-die-in-america/
THIS IS NOT POLITICAL, NOR IS IT ABOUT THE ARTICLE TITLE.
It's all about the tone and the underlying message; is it just me or is the "I'll die on stage!" thing ring hollow, kind of like when you visit your uncle who's down to 65 pounds because of chemo and they say 'we're going to beat this" and you say "sure we are!" because you know it's the right thing to say, but you know in your heart we're counting the days/weeks. I'm not saying Ozzy has only days or weeks to go, but I think the idea of him touring is past. I think he's in worse shape physically than he's letting on.
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At the end of the day, I just think he's "going home".
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At the end of the day, I just think he's "going home".
He told his momma he’s coming home.
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:lol
Nice!
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At the end of the day, I just think he's "going home".
He told his momma he’s coming home.
:lol He did it twice the last time I saw him (seriously, he played the song, said he wasn't happy with his performance and the entire band played the song completely again).
But I feel like I'm with Stads. I can't see him doing full tours again. A show here or there, but all that travel and constantly performning? I can't imagine his body could hold up.
But maybe that is exactly what he wants? To get on tour and legit die on stage during a show?
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That's funny that he mentioned guns when a few months ago they said they were moving because of... taxes! :rollin
As with many things it's more than one reason but you've gotta love Ozzy and Sharon.
https://eddietrunk.com/due-to-the-high-tax-rate-ozzy-osbourne-will-moving-out-of-california-and-back-to-the-uk/
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He'd be better off paying his taxes in the US than paying his heating bill in the UK.
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New single, 'Nothing Feels Right'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3G3Qbn_-Sk
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New single, 'Nothing Feels Right'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3G3Qbn_-Sk
I like it.... : ) sorta feels/reminds me of Spoke in the Wheel by BLS
Peace and love to all
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Well been up since 5 AM because the fire alarm is on the fritz so I've had a lot of time to listen to the new album. While I do have some issues with the production which can be inconsistent I really enjoy the album. Ozzy sounds like he was having fun and sounds more energetic than I thought he would considering his health. If he can never return to the stage I'd be perfectly fine with an Ozzy & Friends album like this every few years or so as I don't see him ever fully retiring.
Favorite songs
Mr. Darkness. For me the most catchy song on the album
No Escape from Now. Would've fit right in on the last sabbath album
A Thousand Shades. The most Ozzmosis sounding song on the album
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This album kicks all kinds of ASS! :metal
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I'm really enjoying this album. Some great songs here - Mr Darkness, Patient Number 9, No Escape From Now, Nothing Feels Right.
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Have to admit that I am also really enjoying this new album, pleasantly surprised as I had little faith this would be any good.
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Well, I gave this a listen and it isn't half bad...
Count me in as pleasantly surprised! And there is a late album highlight with Dead and Gone that kinda struck me...really cool 80s-sounding verse with clean guitars and No More Tears-like riffage on top...neat tune!
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I'm going to have to listen to this aren't I. :\
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I think if you go into this album with low expectations you will definitely be surprised. There are some good songs and just a fairly enjoyable listen overall. I can't pinpoint my favourites yet, need a few more spins first but Mr Darkness is a standout.
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I think if you go into this album with low expectations you will definitely be surprised.
:lol
That should be the tag line on every new album ever.
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Alright. Hit Mr. Darkness. That was actually pretty good.
OK, I'll give the album a spin tomorrow night. I don't think I even listened to his last couple of albums. I had heard a few tracks, and his voice sounded too electronic.
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I gave up on Ozzy after Down to Earth, but gave Patient Number 9 a listen based on the good reviews it's getting. There are some pretty good songs. Parasite is the one that stood out the most. Not sure if I will purchase a physical CD, but I’ll definitely give this some more listens.
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This past weekend, while traveling with my family, I heard the SiriusXM album special they had for Ozzy. My initial reaction was that it was "surprisingly listenable". I haven't liked an Ozzy album since No More Tears. Ozzmosis has a few tracks I like. However, after that, it's all garbage to me. My main concern when I heard about this album was the "who's who" list of contributors on it. How could it not be a disjointed mess, right?!? Several of the songs were pretty enjoyable. And, I don't know if it was because I was listening in the car vs. headphones or large speakers, but his voice sounded less processed than it has in the past. I can't say I'll be buying the album. But, I wouldn't turn the channel if any one of most of the album's songs came on. For me, the only real clunker is "Degradation Rules". I'm sorry but a 73-year old man writing a song about masturbation is just dumb.
My main take-away from the whole special is that Andrew Watt should never have a microphone placed in front of him again. Full of silly anecdotes. And, his overuse of "fuck" and "fuckin" rendered the words useless and ineffective by the end.
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I love the reviews here: "not as bad as I thought it'd be!"; "Uh, not a total piece of crap!"; "wow, I'm surprised this doesn't suck more!"
I get it though; I've been out on Ozzy since Black Rain. I picked up Ordinary Man from a used shop for $1.99 and might just pull the trigger on this one too. I LOVE OZZY. I just hate when Ozzy tries to be something he's not. I'm not looking for "Mr. Osbourne, the artiste!" I want to rock and roll. That's why Zakk is so good for him; I'm not interested in Kevin Churcko (or to some extent Andrew Watt) to the extent they are trying to be Rick Rubin vis-a-vis Johnny Cash. That wasn't because the producer had any great insight, or the accompanying players were so good, it's because Johnny Cash was too big a talent to be denied. He was arguably the greatest country musician of all time. Not that that is Ozzy, but he's legend, and doesn't need the bullshit. I'm hoping this new record is no bullshit.
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I think overall this new record is no bullshit, it is really good and I am still listening to it. I am a huge, huge Ozzy fan but he lost me with his couple of albums before this new one. The vocals are way better and fare less processed on this release, for anyone who is/has been a fan it is worth a listen. Great to see Zakk back too.
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So he released this: https://eddietrunk.com/ozzy-osbournereleases-full-nfl-halftime-performance-from-september-8th-los-angeles-rams-buffalo-bills-game/
This is an abomination. If that's him singing live in the moment, then I am 6'8" and 125 pounds. The slow motion ruins it even further. WTF, this is the Prince of Fucking Darkness. Where's the danger, where's the living on the edge? I get it, that's been gone for decades now, I realize that, but still. This is the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. I DIG the song, and will buy the record, but it's still overall a sad, sad picture. My dad used to call him "Ozzy Osboob" as a sort of joke when I was younger; if only Dad could see him now. :) :) :)
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So he released this: https://eddietrunk.com/ozzy-osbournereleases-full-nfl-halftime-performance-from-september-8th-los-angeles-rams-buffalo-bills-game/
This is an abomination. If that's him singing live in the moment, then I am 6'8" and 125 pounds. The slow motion ruins it even further. WTF, this is the Prince of Fucking Darkness. Where's the danger, where's the living on the edge? I get it, that's been gone for decades now, I realize that, but still. This is the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. I DIG the song, and will buy the record, but it's still overall a sad, sad picture. My dad used to call him "Ozzy Osboob" as a sort of joke when I was younger; if only Dad could see him now. :) :) :)
I mean I wasn't shocked. I can probably count on one hand the TV performances I've seen throughout his entire solo career that weren't either lipsynced, overdubbed, or drowned in an overly loud backing track.
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The last album I enjoyed from him was Down to Earth, back in 2001 (?). He just hasn't had any quality songs written for him since then. Boring riffs, boring melodies, stupid lyrics. I'm surprised so many people seem to like this based on the video's comments. Put this up against any of his classic material and it completely pales in comparison.
I'm in the same boat here.
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So he released this: https://eddietrunk.com/ozzy-osbournereleases-full-nfl-halftime-performance-from-september-8th-los-angeles-rams-buffalo-bills-game/
This is an abomination. If that's him singing live in the moment, then I am 6'8" and 125 pounds. The slow motion ruins it even further. WTF, this is the Prince of Fucking Darkness. Where's the danger, where's the living on the edge? I get it, that's been gone for decades now, I realize that, but still. This is the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. I DIG the song, and will buy the record, but it's still overall a sad, sad picture. My dad used to call him "Ozzy Osboob" as a sort of joke when I was younger; if only Dad could see him now. :) :) :)
I mean I wasn't shocked. I can probably count on one hand the TV performances I've seen throughout his entire solo career that weren't either lipsynced, overdubbed, or drowned in an overly loud backing track.
Honestly, this is kind of hard to watch and/or listen to wether it's fake or not
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So he released this: https://eddietrunk.com/ozzy-osbournereleases-full-nfl-halftime-performance-from-september-8th-los-angeles-rams-buffalo-bills-game/
This is an abomination. If that's him singing live in the moment, then I am 6'8" and 125 pounds. The slow motion ruins it even further. WTF, this is the Prince of Fucking Darkness. Where's the danger, where's the living on the edge? I get it, that's been gone for decades now, I realize that, but still. This is the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. I DIG the song, and will buy the record, but it's still overall a sad, sad picture. My dad used to call him "Ozzy Osboob" as a sort of joke when I was younger; if only Dad could see him now. :) :) :)
I mean I wasn't shocked. I can probably count on one hand the TV performances I've seen throughout his entire solo career that weren't either lipsynced, overdubbed, or drowned in an overly loud backing track.
Honestly, this is kind of hard to watch and/or listen to wether it's fake or not
And that's the point; I don't care that it's overdubbed or lip-synched, I really don't; there are some Top Of The Pops things with Iron Maiden where they are lip-synching and they're an entertaining riot. Fun stuff. There are half-time shows and what not that we KNOW are lip-synched - it's technically almost impossible not to do otherwise - but they're fun and entertaining. With the way it's cut, with the slo-motion and the what not, it's almost like an "In Memoriam" piece. For me, it's not the nature of the gig that's annoying it's THAT SPECIFIC way they decided to butcher what actually might have happened on the field - real or not - and turn it into... I don't know what I'd call it. An homage?
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Maybe, I definitely agree the edit is not good. But even just looking at Ozzy is difficult with that eye liner. I bet a fan video from the stands would be better to watch.
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By the way, I just listened to Ordinary Man again yesterday; when did Ozzy get mush mouth? Is it the effects on his voice, or his age, but many of the "s's" are "sh'd" on the record. It's annoying.
And whoever said "yeah, you might like the record while you're listening to it, but at the end of the day is any of it REALLY as good as his best work" - I'm paragraphing - was spot on. I LIKE Ordinary Man, but then I listened to Diary and man. It's not close.
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I listened to the two singles (actually, I'm not sure I finished either song) from ordinary Man, and it sounded like it was being sung by a computer.
I got through Mr. Darkness, which was pretty cool, but I have yet to bring myself to listen to the new album.
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I listened to the two singles (actually, I'm not sure I finished either song) from ordinary Man, and it sounded like it was being sung by a computer.
I got through Mr. Darkness, which was pretty cool, but I have yet to bring myself to listen to the new album.
The new album is easily his best since Ozzmosis but yeah his vocals sound pretty manipulated.
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I love Ozzmosis.
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Ozzy Osbourne tops Billboard chart for the first time ever with 'Patient Number 9'.
https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/ozzy-osbourne-top-album-sales-chart-patient-number-9-1235141430/ (https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/ozzy-osbourne-top-album-sales-chart-patient-number-9-1235141430/)
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I just got the new one; I'm three songs in and this is way better than Ordinary Man. Still not "Blizzard"/"Diary", but then again, what is?
UPDATE: I dig this new record. None of the guest spots are as blatant as the Post Malone ones, so there's nothing that seems too... opportunistic here. The songs are solid, tuneful, and Ozzy is singing pretty well (better than Ordinary Man, that's for sure). Iommi shines in his two appearances, as does Clapton, but the star is Zakk. Of the three top solos on the record, he has two (E.C., who is god, had the other one). This might be the most "Black Sabbath" record that Ozzy has put out under his own name.
UPDATE II: We'll see how it ages, but right now, I like this as much as anything since No More Tears.
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I just got the new one; I'm three songs in and this is way better than Ordinary Man. Still not "Blizzard"/"Diary", but then again, what is?
UPDATE: I dig this new record. None of the guest spots are as blatant as the Post Malone ones, so there's nothing that seems too... opportunistic here. The songs are solid, tuneful, and Ozzy is singing pretty well (better than Ordinary Man, that's for sure). Iommi shines in his two appearances, as does Clapton, but the star is Zakk. Of the three top solos on the record, he has two (E.C., who is god, had the other one). This might be the most "Black Sabbath" record that Ozzy has put out under his own name.
UPDATE II: We'll see how it ages, but right now, I like this as much as anything since No More Tears.
I agree with all this, especially that Zakk is the star. Just a really good album, especially after Ordinary Man was so...ordinary...
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Interesting. I didn't even listen to Ordinary Man. Maybe I'll sample this one.
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I just got the new one; I'm three songs in and this is way better than Ordinary Man. Still not "Blizzard"/"Diary", but then again, what is?
UPDATE: I dig this new record. None of the guest spots are as blatant as the Post Malone ones, so there's nothing that seems too... opportunistic here. The songs are solid, tuneful, and Ozzy is singing pretty well (better than Ordinary Man, that's for sure). Iommi shines in his two appearances, as does Clapton, but the star is Zakk. Of the three top solos on the record, he has two (E.C., who is god, had the other one). This might be the most "Black Sabbath" record that Ozzy has put out under his own name.
UPDATE II: We'll see how it ages, but right now, I like this as much as anything since No More Tears.
I’ve given it three listens so far and am quite enjoying Patient Number 9. I agree, this is easily the best thing Ozzy has done since No More Tears.
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Better than Ozzmosis??
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Better than Ozzmosis??
I believe so, yes. Will have to listen some more and see how much staying power it has, but so far, so good.
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I also think it’s his best since No More Tears.
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Better than Ozzmosis??
Even Down to ERth I really liked.
Best since NMT is a massive statement.
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Better than Ozzmosis??
Even Down to ERth I really liked.
Best since NMT is a massive statement.
I'm standing by it. I thought Down To Earth and Ozzmosis were... okay. There was one very good album between them, IMO.
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Best since NMT is a massive statement.
It's not that massive a statement if you consider everything after No More Tears to already be a major downgrade. I really like Perry Mason and Thunder Underground off Ozzmosis. For me, everything else on that album is "meh". And, everything after that, up until this album, is stuff I'll never listen to again.
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Better than Ozzmosis??
Even Down to ERth I really liked.
Best since NMT is a massive statement.
I'm standing by it. I thought Down To Earth and Ozzmosis were... okay. There was one very good album between them, IMO.
Best since NMT is a massive statement.
It's not that massive a statement if you consider everything after No More Tears to already be a major downgrade. I really like Perry Mason and Thunder Underground off Ozzmosis. For me, everything else on that album is "meh". And, everything after that, up until this album, is stuff I'll never listen to again.
This is all fair enough to be honest. I was thinking about the time NMT was released, not the amount and quality of content that was released since then.
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Seeing that halftime performance he did got me wondering about something. During the 2 songs he performed, he moved maybe 2 feet. When (more like "IF") he actually does a proper tour, do you think the days of Ozzy being mobile onstage are over? I mean, he's a 73 year old guy with Parkinson's who had back surgery not too long ago. Plus, during that performance, he's standing in front of one of those harnesses (more like a bracing bar) you see the guys in TSO and KISS use when their platforms go 30 feet in the air. He had one for raising from 6 ft below the stage. They were probably terrified he'd fall over before he even made it up to stage level!
The more I hear him speak about touring, I truly believe it's as much his desire as it Sharon's to keep putting him back on stage. However, at this point, I wish he'd call it a day and ride into the sunset. But, I think he has a tour still technically on hold from back in 2019.
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Seeing that halftime performance he did got me wondering about something. During the 2 songs he performed, he moved maybe 2 feet. When (more like "IF") he actually does a proper tour, do you think the days of Ozzy being mobile onstage are over? I mean, he's a 73 year old guy with Parkinson's who had back surgery not too long ago. Plus, during that performance, he's standing in front of one of those harnesses (more like a bracing bar) you see the guys in TSO and KISS use when their platforms go 30 feet in the air. He had one for raising from 6 ft below the stage. They were probably terrified he'd fall over before he even made it up to stage level!
The more I hear him speak about touring, I truly believe it's as much his desire as it Sharon's to keep putting him back on stage. However, at this point, I wish he'd call it a day and ride into the sunset. But, I think he has a tour still technically on hold from back in 2019.
His mobility was limited back in 2016 when I saw him with Sabbath. He'd go back and forth in the center of the stage but that's about it. And even then he was shuffling like an Oompa-loompah.
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Seeing that halftime performance he did got me wondering about something. During the 2 songs he performed, he moved maybe 2 feet. When (more like "IF") he actually does a proper tour, do you think the days of Ozzy being mobile onstage are over? I mean, he's a 73 year old guy with Parkinson's who had back surgery not too long ago. Plus, during that performance, he's standing in front of one of those harnesses (more like a bracing bar) you see the guys in TSO and KISS use when their platforms go 30 feet in the air. He had one for raising from 6 ft below the stage. They were probably terrified he'd fall over before he even made it up to stage level!
The more I hear him speak about touring, I truly believe it's as much his desire as it Sharon's to keep putting him back on stage. However, at this point, I wish he'd call it a day and ride into the sunset. But, I think he has a tour still technically on hold from back in 2019.
His mobility was limited back in 2016 when I saw him with Sabbath. He'd go back and forth in the center of the stage but that's about it. And even then he was shuffling like an Oompa-loompah.
He wasn't all that mobile when I saw him 30 years ago!
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True. He'd kinda stumble/stagger from one side of the stage to the other. But, you didn't have to wonder if he was gonna fall over.
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An oompa-loompah. :rollin
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An oompa-loompah. :rollin
(https://i.imgur.com/Peto3V5.jpg)
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An oompa-loompah. :rollin
(https://i.imgur.com/Peto3V5.jpg)
That's world class! Thank you!!! :)
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Zydar :metal
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:lol Outstanding!
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:rollin
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/01/entertainment/ozzy-osbourne-tour-retirement-announcement-intl-scli/index.html
Ozzy says he's done touring forever.
I saw a recent pic of him in a grocery store and he looked hunched over, frail and old. Definitely physically unable to perform live.
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He's calling it quits at 74? Pussy.
But honestly, good for him. Just chill dude. Enjoy what borrowed time you have left. Hope it's as long as he needs it to be.
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I'm not surprised - happy to have seen him at a number of Ozzfests:
1997 - solo & with Sabbath
1998 - solo
1999 - with Sabbath
2004 - with Sabbath
I stopped going to see him live after that, since the shows were usually the same with short sets and the same songs every year. But good for him for finally deciding to stop touring. He's earned his place in rock and metal history.
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He didn't explicitly say he's done touring forever, but he doesn't need to say it. We can tell.
I saw him with Sabbath in 2016. Not only was his voice really good, he was also in a fine shape, falling to his knees to bow to the audience and stuff. Such a charismatic performer. :tup
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He didn't explicitly say he's done touring forever, but he doesn't need to say it. We can tell.
I saw him with Sabbath in 2016. Not only was his voice really good, he was also in a fine shape, falling to his knees to bow to the audience and stuff. Such a charismatic performer. :tup
I saw that 2016 tour as well, and it was excellent. Great show. I've seen him once with Sabbath (as I said, excellent) and once solo (not nearly as good). That's enough for me.
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Saw him with Sabbath in 2005 and 2016 and then solo in 2018. Had a ticket to see him again in 2019 at MSG and then he got injured and postponed that to 2020 and we all know what happened next. Sucks, I would have really liked to see him again. In my video of that show from 2018, at the 20 second mark I actually say it could be the last time for the "no more tours 2" and well, that seems correct now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E50I5jaSISs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E50I5jaSISs)
I'm glad he can do this on his terms though. For awhile I thought for sure he was going to die on stage.
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I just read the statement so I should take back the "his terms" because I guess he's never fully recovered from the injury
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn3OYlGaEAAd2tg?format=jpg&name=large)
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I know it's fun to make $haron jokes but a few years ago when he did a tv interview talking about his injuries and the possibility of never performing again I thought the man was gonna burst into tears. You could tell that being able to do what he does still meant the world to him. Now I'm sure he'll never fully retire from music as it sounds like he wants to try and do some one off shows that don't require a lot of traveling. Then of course he could put out another Ozzy & Friends album every year or two. Still a shame that he wasn't able to end his touring days the way he wanted to.
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I know it's fun to make $haron jokes but a few years ago when he did a tv interview talking about his injuries and the possibility of never performing again I thought the man was gonna burst into tears. You could tell that being able to do what he does still meant the world to him. Now I'm sure he'll never fully retire from music as it sounds like he wants to try and do some one off shows that don't require a lot of traveling. Then of course he could put out another Ozzy & Friends album every year or two. Still a shame that he wasn't able to end his touring days the way he wanted to.
I'll tell you what, it's not Diary Of A Madman, but the current record is pretty good. My stepson and I sort of bond over Ozzy and we actually listen to that a lot. (We have Touch Tunes and whenever someone plays something we think is shit at the local bar, I play "Ordinary Man").
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Is there a particular reason why he specifically thanked Judas Priest?
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Is there a particular reason why he specifically thanked Judas Priest?
They stayed on as his opening act through all the delays
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Must have been a huge personal blow for him, I'm sorry for all the people who hoped for this tour to happen.
I don't want to be too cynical and this is not on Ozzy of course but on promoters worlwide, but when he thanks fans for patiently hold on to the tickets... well, what choices did they have anyway? get a refund because "I'm tired of waiting"? it's not that you can send the tickets back, once you purchased them, either the show gets officially cancelled, or you're stuck with them. Of course many will have sold them secondhand, but still, that's something that happens between concert goers, it does not go back to the original ticket sale, so waiting for the tour to happen was the only option for people who purchased tickets (aside from selling them secondhand) regardless if they had the patience for it or not.
This applies to every concert, of course, not just Ozzy. As for him, I hope he will get well soon and maybe he will play some concerts here and there when he's comfortable. Never been a fan but this doesn't mean I'm not sympathetic towards one of the defining figures of the genre we all love!
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Usually for concert postponements, there's a window to get a refund after they announce the new date. So waiting is not the only option, but at this point, that was likely the only option if you didn't get a refund in the window which was likely a long long time ago.
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Sad about Ozzy. But he's been retiring from the road for the last 30 years, so no surprise here, especially given his condition.
Gotta say, I enjoyed his early solo material up through Ozzmosis. Best record to me, front to back, is No More Tears. But live...I saw the guy once on Ozzfest...1998, I think it was. With TOOL and Megadeth. Ozzy was the worst of the three main acts by far. Then a couple tours later, he does a headline show of 12 songs (I didn't go, a friend did). Right then and there, I said I'd never go see Ozzy again, and I didn't.
Much respect for his legacy (I am more a fan of Dio-era Sabbath than Ozzy, but I love those Ozzy solo albums up through the mid-90s), but glad he'd calling it a day regarding extended "touring." Guy should have been done at least 25 years ago.
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I really thought he was mostly fine from the 2018 solo show and 2016 Black Sabbath show. Clearly old and struggling, but mostly pretty good. Significantly better than some of his peers. Couldn't understand a thing he said between songs, but when singing, he sounded fine.
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Bloom County comic strip from December 1986
(https://i.imgur.com/32Faitb.jpg)
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I really thought he was mostly fine from the 2018 solo show and 2016 Black Sabbath show. Clearly old and struggling, but mostly pretty good. Significantly better than some of his peers. Couldn't understand a thing he said between songs, but when singing, he sounded fine.
Was it actually him singing, or were they backing tracks?
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I really thought he was mostly fine from the 2018 solo show and 2016 Black Sabbath show. Clearly old and struggling, but mostly pretty good. Significantly better than some of his peers. Couldn't understand a thing he said between songs, but when singing, he sounded fine.
Was it actually him singing, or were they backing tracks?
Is he known for using backing tracks? Definitely was him. He's not great by any means. Just saying, all things considered, he puts on a decent performance.
That last show I saw he wasn't happy with his performance of Mama I'm Coming Home so after the song he said he wasn't happy with it and did the entire song again :lol I've never seen anything like that at a show before
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Right. I remember you telling that story.
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Really sad about Ozzy. I am a huge fan. I am sad for him but I am also sad that this is part of the realisation that some of my heros and favourite ever bands/artists that are still around are coming near to the end of the road.
I have always thought that Ozzy puts on a great show and his live singing has always been fine even when his stage movement has significantly decreased over the years.
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Sad to read that statement and that he has to stop before he's really ready to. Hopefully he'll find peace with it and finds some silver linings.
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Is there a particular reason why he specifically thanked Judas Priest?
They stayed on as his opening act through all the delays
Funny thing about that. I've read in a Download Festival forum that Priest was the main supporting acts for Ozzy's tour of the UK that we now know is set to never happen at this point. However, with all of these delays and postponements, apparently, Priest was not allowed to do any their own headlining shows in England/UK throughout the ordeal. Quite a huge gap in their native market. Only did Bloodstock Festival in 2018 and 2021 for their UK shows. Last time they did a non-festival show in England was in 2015 in London at the Brixton Academy.
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Sad to read that statement and that he has to stop before he's really ready to. Hopefully he'll find peace with it and finds some silver linings.
agreed...
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Really sad about Ozzy. I am a huge fan. I am sad for him but I am also sad that this is part of the realisation that some of my heros and favourite ever bands/artists that are still around are coming near to the end of the road.
Yup. We are going to see a lot more of the classic acts come to an end in the coming years. It's sad, but life. The question I have, for the rock and metal world, who are the bands that will take their spots? Maybe no one in the genre will get this big again.
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Really sad about Ozzy. I am a huge fan. I am sad for him but I am also sad that this is part of the realisation that some of my heros and favourite ever bands/artists that are still around are coming near to the end of the road.
Yup. We are going to see a lot more of the classic acts come to an end in the coming years. It's sad, but life. The question I have, for the rock and metal world, who are the bands that will take their spots? Maybe no one in the genre will get this big again.
This is a GREAT question, but one that can't really be answered in real time. No one really saw "Led Zeppelin" coming, when the Beatles were fading, and yet...
It won't be the obvious choices, but someone will rise from the ashes.
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Really sad about Ozzy. I am a huge fan. I am sad for him but I am also sad that this is part of the realisation that some of my heros and favourite ever bands/artists that are still around are coming near to the end of the road.
Yup. We are going to see a lot more of the classic acts come to an end in the coming years. It's sad, but life. The question I have, for the rock and metal world, who are the bands that will take their spots? Maybe no one in the genre will get this big again.
Well, you can look at which bands headline festivals Iron Maiden and Metallica usually headline when those bands aren't there.
I can see Ghost becoming huge headliners in the future, but they don't heave the same mass appeal of the giants. Rammstein are pretty big and they headline stadium tours, but again, industrial music might not be for everyone.
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Those bands aren't young either.
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Really sad about Ozzy. I am a huge fan. I am sad for him but I am also sad that this is part of the realisation that some of my heros and favourite ever bands/artists that are still around are coming near to the end of the road.
Yup. We are going to see a lot more of the classic acts come to an end in the coming years. It's sad, but life. The question I have, for the rock and metal world, who are the bands that will take their spots? Maybe no one in the genre will get this big again.
This is a really great question and I am not sure there is an answer. I don't feel there is a 'young' band at this level at this stage but yes maybe one will or more will rise but my feeling is that no one will be this big again.
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Yeah it's a lot harder for newer bands to stand out. MTV is 95% reality shows, normal radio plays the same bands/songs over and over again, and you have to hope that the almighty youtube/spotify/social media algorithms direct new listeners your way as your main source of word of mouth. Like if it wasn't because of this forum there is a lot of bands I otherwise would've never heard of.
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Probably a sign of the times but it's hard to see bands really making as much of an impact in this day and age like they did back then. I think times might have changed too much.
You got bands like Trivium who spring to mind who could nicely steer the ship but in reality, who could really see anyone really doing what Maiden, Priest, Sabbath, Zep, Queen, Stones etc. did in their respective genres.
I don't think there's a definitive answer, time will tell.
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Probably a sign of the times but it's hard to see bands really making as much of an impact in this day and age like they did back then. I think times might have changed too much.
You got bands like Trivium who spring to mind who could nicely steer the ship but in reality, who could really see anyone really doing what Maiden, Priest, Sabbath, Zep, Queen, Stones etc. did in their respective genres.
I don't think there's a definitive answer, time will tell.
I feel the same way. Sure another band will take that headlining festival slot, but is there ever going to be someone like Ozzy in the metal genre who is a house hold name across the globe?
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Probably a sign of the times but it's hard to see bands really making as much of an impact in this day and age like they did back then. I think times might have changed too much.
You got bands like Trivium who spring to mind who could nicely steer the ship but in reality, who could really see anyone really doing what Maiden, Priest, Sabbath, Zep, Queen, Stones etc. did in their respective genres.
I don't think there's a definitive answer, time will tell.
I feel the same way. Sure another band will take that headlining festival slot, but is there ever going to be someone like Ozzy in the metal genre who is a house hold name across the globe?
Not in the rock genre. I mean, I know Billie Eilish, but for me, someone like "Panic! At The Disco" isn't moving the needle like a Queen or Kiss did.
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This conversation happened in a Steven Wilson interview and it feels like everyone is just magically forgetting that The Foo Fighters exist. It may not be “metal”… but they are out there playing legit rock and roll to stadiums, and people pack them.
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This conversation happened in a Steven Wilson interview and it feels like everyone is just magically forgetting that The Foo Fighters exist. It may not be “metal”… but they are out there playing legit rock and roll to stadiums, and people pack them.
Dave Grohl may be the closest to a modern day Ozzy in terms of popularity.
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This conversation happened in a Steven Wilson interview and it feels like everyone is just magically forgetting that The Foo Fighters exist. It may not be “metal”… but they are out there playing legit rock and roll to stadiums, and people pack them.
Dave Grohl may be the closest to a modern day Ozzy in terms of popularity.
It's unfortunate, since I'm not really a "Dave Grohl" fan, but even I've called him the "2020's Phil Collins". I mean, he does have that level of popularity.
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I like Dave Grohl, I'm just not a huge Foo Fighters fan nor was a I a huge Nirvana fan so musically it's not my favorite, but the guy comes off really well and likeable. He's not really metal though. If I were to think of the biggest name in metal that's not from the 80s or earlier, it may be Corey Taylor. Who isn't quite as likeable as Dave.
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What about Tool? I know it took them an eternity to come out with an album, and maybe Maynard isn't the household name that Ozzy is but they're still pretty big.
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What about Tool? I know it took them an eternity to come out with an album, and maybe Maynard isn't the household name that Ozzy is but they're still pretty big.
I feel like to be as big as the biggest, you need to transcend genre and speak to a lot of different audiences. Tool doesn't do that.
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Maybe so. Though I can say that even though my non metal fan family know who Ozzy (and Metallica) are, they don't like and aren't interested in the music whatsoever.
And most haven't heard of Iron Maiden, who I know isn't quite as big but were mentioned in this thread.
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What about Tool? I know it took them an eternity to come out with an album, and maybe Maynard isn't the household name that Ozzy is but they're still pretty big.
Maybe, Tool are huge for sure. I don't think Maynard is quite the household name like you say though. I don't know, I'm still struggling to think of anyone as big as Ozzy Osbourne. I mean, the guy had a hugely successful MTV show. That type of platform just doesn't even exist anymore.
I feel like to be as big as the biggest, you need to transcend genre and speak to a lot of different audiences.
Yup. And being on MTV helped that, also having some of those hit Black Sabbath / Ozzy songs constantly on movies and popular media for many years helps too.
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What about Tool? I know it took them an eternity to come out with an album, and maybe Maynard isn't the household name that Ozzy is but they're still pretty big.
Maybe, Tool are huge for sure. I don't think Maynard is quite the household name like you say though. I don't know, I'm still struggling to think of anyone as big as Ozzy Osbourne. I mean, the guy had a hugely successful MTV show. That type of platform just doesn't even exist anymore.
I feel like to be as big as the biggest, you need to transcend genre and speak to a lot of different audiences.
Yup. And being on MTV helped that, also having some of those hit Black Sabbath / Ozzy songs constantly on movies and popular media for many years helps too.
Look, my dad, who is no idiot and didn't live under a rock, knew two of the artists I listened to: Gene Simmons and Ozzy Osbourne. He knew bands - Maiden in particular - but didn't know any individuals except for those. He was actually excited - in the sense that he knew it was a big deal - when I told him I met Gene.
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Yeah, my Mom knows who Ozzy is. Enough said :lol
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Probably a sign of the times but it's hard to see bands really making as much of an impact in this day and age like they did back then. I think times might have changed too much.
You got bands like Trivium who spring to mind who could nicely steer the ship but in reality, who could really see anyone really doing what Maiden, Priest, Sabbath, Zep, Queen, Stones etc. did in their respective genres.
I don't think there's a definitive answer, time will tell.
I remember Matt Heafy doing a video chat with one of the guitarists from Avenged Sevenfold awhile back during Covid and they started talking about this very topic and trying to come up with who in their generation were basically the next flagbearers for metal. In terms of leading the charge in a live setting, they called out their two bands, and if I recall, I think the other two they mentioned were FFDP and BFMV (neither of which hold any interest for me, but that's fine).
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Probably a sign of the times but it's hard to see bands really making as much of an impact in this day and age like they did back then. I think times might have changed too much.
You got bands like Trivium who spring to mind who could nicely steer the ship but in reality, who could really see anyone really doing what Maiden, Priest, Sabbath, Zep, Queen, Stones etc. did in their respective genres.
I don't think there's a definitive answer, time will tell.
I remember Matt Heafy doing a video chat with one of the guitarists from Avenged Sevenfold awhile back during Covid and they started talking about this very topic and trying to come up with who in their generation were basically the next flagbearers for metal. In terms of leading the charge in a live setting, they called out their two bands, and if I recall, I think the other two they mentioned were FFDP and BFMV (neither of which hold any interest for me, but that's fine).
Interesting. Are Avenged Sevenfold still even active I wonder? Bullet are a good band but they seem to be falling away from the spotlight. FFDP seem popular but I haven't heard a thing from them. I should though as they have Andy James now. Trivium seem to have the work ethic and ascendancy though currently. They are easily the pick of the four for me.
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Probably a sign of the times but it's hard to see bands really making as much of an impact in this day and age like they did back then. I think times might have changed too much.
You got bands like Trivium who spring to mind who could nicely steer the ship but in reality, who could really see anyone really doing what Maiden, Priest, Sabbath, Zep, Queen, Stones etc. did in their respective genres.
I don't think there's a definitive answer, time will tell.
I remember Matt Heafy doing a video chat with one of the guitarists from Avenged Sevenfold awhile back during Covid and they started talking about this very topic and trying to come up with who in their generation were basically the next flagbearers for metal. In terms of leading the charge in a live setting, they called out their two bands, and if I recall, I think the other two they mentioned were FFDP and BFMV (neither of which hold any interest for me, but that's fine).
Interesting. Are Avenged Sevenfold still even active I wonder? Bullet are a good band but they seem to be falling away from the spotlight. FFDP seem popular but I haven't heard a thing from them. I should though as they have Andy James now. Trivium seem to have the work ethic and ascendancy though currently. They are easily the pick of the four for me.
As good and as popular as they are, and they are, I just don't see them at the level of Ozzy and Kiss. Again, Ozzy and Kiss transcended their genre and entered the zeitgeist. FFDP and A7X just aren't there.
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A7X is still around, should have a new album this year and have been announced as a US festival headliner this summer but they've been so quiet since cancelling their 2019 summer tour. As much as I may have thought they could have been the next big metal band, I don't think hibernating for 4 years helped their cause and I no longer see them as that band personally (while I love their last album, The Stage, it was also a commercial flop). FFDP aren't there and I don't think they ever will be. I don't think they are good or unique enough. They are certainly popular just like A7X are though. Funny enough A7X opened for Metallica in 2017 and in 2023 FFDP are going to open for Metallica.
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Despite what many think of them, I'd say Creed was on their way there before disbanding. Nickelback may also be close.
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Despite what many think of them, I'd say Creed was on their way there before disbanding. Nickelback may also be close.
Creed was pretty big for sure... Id have to really think on this question as there aint much left sadly
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NOT "metal" but I think "rock" is hanging its hopes on GVF! I think they may be the ONLY hope for a resurgence!
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GVF?
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GVF?
I believe he means Greta Van Fleet
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GVF?
I believe he means Greta Van Fleet
Doesn't he play for the Raptors?
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:facepalm:
GVF?
I believe he means Greta Van Fleet
Doesn't he play for the Raptors?
Dammit Tim! :facepalm:
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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NOT "metal" but I think "rock" is hanging its hopes on GVF! I think they may be the ONLY hope for a resurgence!
Aren't they essentially a Led Zeppelin clone?
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GVF?
I believe he means Greta Van Fleet
Who?
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NOT "metal" but I think "rock" is hanging its hopes on GVF! I think they may be the ONLY hope for a resurgence!
Aren't they essentially a Led Zeppelin clone?
Not a clone. That would be their first single as 15 year olds which sounds like a LZ song. They have two albums now, while classic rock sounding, that are quite diverse. They are really good and if people are hanging onto what was said when they first got noticed 5 years ago, they are doing themselves a disservice.
Having said that, I'm not sure they are the next big thing either. I'm sure touring for Metallica helped them, but their third album needs to see continued success and growth. The potential is there, but there's such a large amount of people who hate them for sounding like classic rock, without even listening to them.