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Re: Metallica Thread v. remastered Kill em All and RTL!
« Reply #805 on: May 01, 2020, 12:55:47 PM »
Tribal was meant to be a red herring.   It's not "what I wanted them to do"...I just picked it at random because it was something different than mainstream that was in the buzz at the time.

Oh totally, but I mean you seem to be operating under the assumption that what they did wasn't based on artistic integrity or that they should have avoided anything mainstream. I see no signs of that, minus DM and I could very well be wrong. Nor do I think mainstream music is somehow inferior. Believe me, if I had the ability to write a great catchy song? I'd jump on that in a minute. Even if no one heard it but me.

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« Reply #806 on: May 01, 2020, 01:57:12 PM »
Well, but that's part of the problem.  When you're trying to appeal to literally EVERYONE, you often end up with a disjointed mess, which is exactly what the Load/Reload project sounds like to many people.    Even Outlaw Torn and Bleeding Me were an attempt to appeal to a different type of crowd.  Even if it's from the "let's throw in a couple epics to appease the artsy crowd" angle.

I just don't really see this at all. It seems to me like you're starting from the assumption that everything on those albums was just an attempt to please some type of person, and when you start with a claim that broad, literally anything can be evidence for it.

I could just as easily say that ...And Justice for All was just an attempt to please people, and so they wrote To Live is to Die just to please the fans of long instrumentals, and they wrote Dyers Eve to please thrash fans, and they wrote Eye of the Beholder to please fans of mid-tempo chugging riffs, and they wrote One to please MTV (as many thrash fans actually do claim), and so on.

It doesn't make sense to start with the conclusion, especially a conclusion that can't really be disproven, and then make the evidence fit it. I say start with the evidence and see what it proves or suggests. Metallica writing two highly diverse albums on the heels of their big commercial success *could* suggest that they were trying to please a bunch of different types of people... but it could just as easily suggest, as Volante put it, that they had a lot of experiments they were interested in trying, and decided to try them.

I think the motives for the second one make a lot more sense. Why would they be motivated to try to please every different type of music fan? What would be the benefit? They already knew that the key to massive sales was to make a straightforward, commercial-friendly metal album with a couple of ballads mixed in. If they were concerned about pleasing a lot of people, why not just stick to the tactic that had already proven to be a people-pleaser? Who cares if you can add 500 members of the "artsy crowd," if that comes at the expense of time you could spend on another radio hit to add another 50,000 members of the radio hit crowd?
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« Reply #807 on: May 01, 2020, 04:15:26 PM »
It's funny hearing I Disappear now. That song was a good back to form type song. If only they continued writing more songs. Instead we got the Temper tantrum album.
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« Reply #808 on: May 01, 2020, 04:27:37 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_yeICLSDOQ


Quarantine reworking of Blackened (partially acoustic).

Very cool! I'd love as many of these as they'd like to do.
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« Reply #809 on: May 01, 2020, 06:59:47 PM »
That was great, it's always strange to hear songs from Justice with bass. Love that arrangement.

I'm going to have to revisit some of their old stuff, been watching some of those reaction videos of the Lost in Vegas doing One and even St.Anger, they had some interesting feedback on that track.

Going to have to check out those remasters and see if they are worth it.
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« Reply #810 on: May 01, 2020, 07:12:02 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_yeICLSDOQ


Quarantine reworking of Blackened (partially acoustic).

Very cool! I'd love as many of these as they'd like to do.
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« Reply #811 on: May 01, 2020, 09:39:30 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_yeICLSDOQ


Quarantine reworking of Blackened (partially acoustic).

They're so wanting to make an acoustic, toned down-yet-dark album. Or at least an album with acoustic reinterpretations of their heavier songs

And I'd be all up for it

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« Reply #812 on: May 01, 2020, 10:15:46 PM »
Lol besides the solo was Kirk’s amp even turned on?

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« Reply #813 on: May 02, 2020, 04:33:59 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_yeICLSDOQ


Quarantine reworking of Blackened (partially acoustic).

They're so wanting to make an acoustic, toned down-yet-dark album. Or at least an album with acoustic reinterpretations of their heavier songs

And I'd be all up for it

If they didn't take forever between albums, one could basically "forgive" them for doing a one-off experimental album like that. Let's say if Dream Theater would do a totally different kind of album within the restrinctions of the quarantine, would people really hold it against them? it's not that with DT the situation would be "Oh come on, it was 5 years ago that you last released an album, and now you give an acoustic one?".

But more generally, I'd be happy for them to do something off field like that, their cover of Loverman proves that they have that kind of feel in their veins.
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« Reply #814 on: May 02, 2020, 01:00:09 PM »
Man, that was great!
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« Reply #815 on: May 02, 2020, 01:15:04 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_yeICLSDOQ

As if that wasn't tantalising enough ...

Kirk is playing the coils inverted '59 Les Paul owned by the likes of Peter Green and Gary Moore.
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« Reply #816 on: May 02, 2020, 03:49:44 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_yeICLSDOQ

As if that wasn't tantalising enough ...

Kirk is playing the coils inverted '59 Les Paul owned by the likes of Peter Green and Gary Moore.

It’s incredible to me he paid (rumored) almost a million dollars for it and gigs with it regularly. I would honestly hate to be his guitar tech responsible for that monstrosity.

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« Reply #817 on: May 02, 2020, 08:26:20 PM »
Lol besides the solo was Kirk’s amp even turned on?

I thought the same thing, it sounded so solid with just James, Lars, and Robert.

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« Reply #818 on: May 02, 2020, 08:31:36 PM »
He was on just mostly doubling James and James was much louder. But when he did his own thing you can hear him.
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« Reply #819 on: May 02, 2020, 09:14:52 PM »
On a related Kirk note, I was going down a rabbit hole of Metallica info last night and was very surprised to learn that Kirk rarely recorded the rhythm guitars on most of their studio albums. He would just play the leads and James would double the rhythms or play different parts of it.

I guess it shouldn't have surprised me but I found it rather interesting.
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« Reply #820 on: May 02, 2020, 09:16:59 PM »
On a related Kirk note, I was going down a rabbit hole of Metallica info last night and was very surprised to learn that Kirk rarely recorded the rhythm guitars on most of their studio albums. He would just play the leads and James would double the rhythms or play different parts of it.

I guess it shouldn't have surprised me but I found it rather interesting.

Yea. The Loads, St. Anger and I think DM were ex exceptions.

And since James does all the solos on Nothing Else Matters, it’s actually one of the few (maybe only?) songs Kirk isn’t even on for the studio version.
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« Reply #821 on: May 03, 2020, 12:05:36 AM »
On a related Kirk note, I was going down a rabbit hole of Metallica info last night and was very surprised to learn that Kirk rarely recorded the rhythm guitars on most of their studio albums. He would just play the leads and James would double the rhythms or play different parts of it.

I guess it shouldn't have surprised me but I found it rather interesting.

Yea. The Loads, St. Anger and I think DM were ex exceptions.

And since James does all the solos on Nothing Else Matters, it’s actually one of the few (maybe only?) songs Kirk isn’t even on for the studio version.

Nah, James did all rhythms on DM. So Kirk only did Load, Reload and St. Anger

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« Reply #822 on: May 03, 2020, 06:41:38 AM »
I wonder why they went with James doing all the rhythm parts.

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« Reply #823 on: May 03, 2020, 09:13:53 AM »
If I remember right, I think it had to do with the "return to form" approach that Rick Rubin was going for.
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« Reply #824 on: May 03, 2020, 09:56:34 AM »
Which is funny, cause they got the "return to form" they needed. And resulted in an album that is what should've been done after the Loads.
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« Reply #825 on: May 03, 2020, 09:58:11 AM »
Which is funny, cause they got the "return to form" they needed. And resulted in an album that is what should've been done after the Loads.

DM? Nah

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« Reply #826 on: May 03, 2020, 10:30:55 AM »
I wonder why they went with James doing all the rhythm parts.

It makes sense as James is doing several tracks of rhythm already, there’s no real point of having Kirk in there. Why spend more time in studio (which they don’t seem to fond of) teaching Kirk all these parts? It was probably a matter of efficiency in the early days. These days, Hetfield can exercise his inner “control freak” with the rhythm guitars, and Kirk can spend more time surfing. Win win for everybody.

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« Reply #827 on: May 04, 2020, 10:32:01 AM »
Lol besides the solo was Kirk’s amp even turned on?

I love the comment that "Kirk got fully Jasoned in this one."

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« Reply #828 on: May 04, 2020, 06:59:21 PM »
House Of Vans 2016 show tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVgJSL29Jm8

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« Reply #829 on: May 04, 2020, 07:18:39 PM »
House Of Vans 2016 show tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVgJSL29Jm8

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« Reply #830 on: May 04, 2020, 07:31:45 PM »
In at Whiskey. What a glorious live tune.

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« Reply #831 on: May 04, 2020, 07:35:51 PM »
In at Whiskey. What a glorious live tune.

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« Reply #832 on: May 04, 2020, 08:58:20 PM »
In at Whiskey. What a glorious live tune.

Me too, I never realized Hetfield played lead/solo on that one.

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« Reply #833 on: May 05, 2020, 03:07:22 AM »
In at Whiskey. What a glorious live tune.

Me too, I never realized Hetfield played lead/solo on that one.

You gotta watch them performing this song in its homeland in front of 75,000 fans! Check it, it is amazing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNdOCQYOL8



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« Reply #834 on: May 05, 2020, 05:53:57 AM »
I actually almost posted the same link last night. That's a great show.
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« Reply #835 on: May 05, 2020, 07:16:07 AM »
In at Whiskey. What a glorious live tune.

Me too, I never realized Hetfield played lead/solo on that one.

You gotta watch them performing this song in its homeland in front of 75,000 fans! Check it, it is amazing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNdOCQYOL8

Cool performance...I just cannot get over how awful Lars' technique is though.

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« Reply #836 on: May 05, 2020, 09:55:53 AM »
So this Vans gig might be Lars' best in a REALLY long time. He's still Lars, but man he's way tighter and consistent here than I've seen him in a very very long time.
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« Reply #837 on: May 06, 2020, 05:57:23 AM »
I agree, I was watching the Vans gig and it was a great set.

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« Reply #838 on: May 06, 2020, 06:40:28 AM »
I look forward to watching it at some point this week. I usually try to find a block of a couple of hours where I'm catching up on stuff around the house to go through each week's concert.
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METALLICA's James Hetfield Walks You Through His Car Collection

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