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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: KevShmev on February 08, 2020, 09:38:06 AM
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New thread time. How many days till the draft? ;)
Previous threads:
2019 NFL THREAD - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53408.0
2018 NFL THREAD - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51825.0
2017 NFL THREAD - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49579.0
2016 NFL THREAD - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45952.0
2015 NFL THREAD - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43237.0
2014 NFL THREAD - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=40900.0
2013 NFL THREAD - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36033.0
2012 NFL THREAD - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=31774.0
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And the road to the Superbowl begins...
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Can't wait to have my world come crashing in on me wildcard weekend 2021.
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Super excited to see the Jets go 7-9, miss the playoffs, and get a terrible draft pick. Again.
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This from the 2019 thread
As for the 17-game schedule? FUCK DAT! There just isn't a need for it. It's bad enough that 1000-yard seasons are already an ambiguous enough indication of whether or not someone had a good season without reducing the per-game average necessary to get it from 62.5 to 58.8. As it stands, the 1000-yard mark really doesn't mean much in a vacuum so much as it matters when talking about how many times a WR/RB/TE reached that mark for their entire career.
Beyond all of that, the scheduling format is absolutely perfect right now since the number of teams in the league, each conference, and each division, as well as the number of games are all powers of two so everything divides perfectly and the entire league has a perfectly-balanced schedule that repeats on a 12-year cycle (or 24 if taking into account a balance of home and away games as well). The only thing that really has any volatility to it is the two floater games each team plays each season against the teams that finished in the same position as your team did in their respective divisions the previous season.
Lastly, players miss enough time due to injuries as it is so a 17th game will probably necessitate another 3-5 roster spots which only means watering down the NFL's talent level even further. It'll also take a big ol' shit on trying to compare stats to the 16-game era since 5000-yard seasons will start happening almost every year.
NFL: "Hey everything is perfect as it is. We are swimming in money!"
Owners: "But... have you considered we could possible make more more?"
NFL: "Do tell...."
NFLPA: "What's this about more money?"
Players:" Hey guys, what are you all talking about?"
NFL/NFLPA: "Just tossing around ideas, nothing significant."
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yeah, gotta love the NFL (No F*cking Logic) owners.....
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I must have missed this, but are they really considering going to a 17 game format? If so, that's just ludicrous, for all the reasons black_biff_stadler stated. Why can't they leave something that works perfectly alone. I mean all the rule changes that have been made over the last 10 years have almost made me stop watching altogether. Hey while we are at it, lets add robot refs, and robot coaches, and robot players, you know, since we are already thinking of ridiculous rule changes....
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They've been bandying it about for years. It's always a topic of discussion as one more game would mean a little more money.
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This from the 2019 thread
As for the 17-game schedule? FUCK DAT! There just isn't a need for it. It's bad enough that 1000-yard seasons are already an ambiguous enough indication of whether or not someone had a good season without reducing the per-game average necessary to get it from 62.5 to 58.8. As it stands, the 1000-yard mark really doesn't mean much in a vacuum so much as it matters when talking about how many times a WR/RB/TE reached that mark for their entire career.
Beyond all of that, the scheduling format is absolutely perfect right now since the number of teams in the league, each conference, and each division, as well as the number of games are all powers of two so everything divides perfectly and the entire league has a perfectly-balanced schedule that repeats on a 12-year cycle (or 24 if taking into account a balance of home and away games as well). The only thing that really has any volatility to it is the two floater games each team plays each season against the teams that finished in the same position as your team did in their respective divisions the previous season.
Lastly, players miss enough time due to injuries as it is so a 17th game will probably necessitate another 3-5 roster spots which only means watering down the NFL's talent level even further. It'll also take a big ol' shit on trying to compare stats to the 16-game era since 5000-yard seasons will start happening almost every year.
NFL: "Hey everything is perfect as it is. We are swimming in money!"
Owners: "But... have you considered we could possible make more more?"
NFL: "Do tell...."
NFLPA: "What's this about more money?"
Players:" Hey guys, what are you all talking about?"
NFL/NFLPA: "Just tossing around ideas, nothing significant."
:rollin
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Looks like AB is really trying. More apologies directed at Big Ben today from his Twitter. The only way I would let this guy back in the league was if he was going to counseling regularly and got a CTE scan.
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Well.....CT Enterography is an imaging test that uses CT imagery and a contrast material to view the small intestine.
CTE Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy.....can only be diagnosed after death through brain tissue analysis. There's currently nothing via MRI's or CTs or brain imaging that detects it now. They are getting close.....whether that means tomorrow, a month, a year, a decade, no one can say for sure.
I was reading up on it quite a bit after seeing a few hours of various Aaron Hernandez 'bios'. Hernandez was always a loose cannon, but CTE certainly lets loose the demons for all those we've read about (Seau to name just one). A couple of us mentioned that hit that Antonio took from Burfict in the playoff game. I've followed him since his days at Central Michigan. Brown was always 'flamboyant', but ever since that cheap shot.....
On a football note, I'm sure Pats fans wonder what it would have been like to have two monster TEs all those years together. As well as Antonio this year.
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Thanks for the correction, I had forgotten it was only diagnosable post-mortem. Regardless, he needs major therapy.
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Looks like AB is really trying.
I'm not sure that I would call apologizing on Twitter "really trying". Apologizing in person or over the phone is really trying.
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Exactly. Apologizing on social media is grandstanding, nothing more.
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I saw a post online that said the Madden curse hit Antonio Brown so hard it decided to take the year off for Patrick Mahomes.
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I saw a post online that said the Madden curse hit Antonio Brown so hard it decided to take the year off for Patrick Mahomes.
:rollin :rollin
That is awesome.
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I saw a post online that said the Madden curse hit Antonio Brown so hard it decided to take the year off for Patrick Mahomes.
:lol :lol
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28739375/more-playoff-teams-expected-new-nfl-cba-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28739375/more-playoff-teams-expected-new-nfl-cba-sources-say)
Under the current CBA proposal that NFL owners are pushing for, the playoff field would be expanded to seven teams from each conference, while the regular season would be increased to 17 games per team and the preseason shortened to three games per team, sources said.
wow, that would be quite a change. The 17 game season wouldn't happen until 2021 but the additional playoff team and first round buy only for the #1 seed would be effective in 2020 if this gets agreed to. I don't think I'm against it on initial thought.
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I like the playoff format as it is now, but I didn't want to judge the new method until I saw how the results would work out. Now I have and it pretty much sucks. I went back five years and came up with this for the third WC spots:
8-8, 8-8
9-6-1, 8-7-1
9-7, 9-7
8-7-1, 9-7
8-8, 10-6
With one exception you're really just introducing a whole lot of mediocrity. And the truth is that there are always one or two sucky teams to make the cut anyway. This is definitely not an improvement, unless you're only interest is in greater TV revenue, and it might actually be counterproductive to that end.
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I like the playoff format as it is now, but I didn't want to judge the new method until I saw how the results would work out. Now I have and it pretty much sucks. I went back five years and came up with this for the third WC spots:
8-8, 8-8
9-6-1, 8-7-1
9-7, 9-7
8-7-1, 9-7
8-8, 10-6
With one exception you're really just introducing a whole lot of mediocrity. And the truth is that there are always one or two sucky teams to make the cut anyway. This is definitely not an improvement, unless you're only interest is in greater TV revenue, and it might actually be counterproductive to that end.
Not really arguing with your conclusion (and I think we all know that the only or primary goal of this is more $$), but your numbers are not quite right. Assuming the top row is the 2019 season, the additional teams would have been Pittsburgh (8-8) and the Rams (9-7). And, assuming the fourth row is 2016, the two added teams would have been Tennessee and Tampa Bay (both at 9-7).
Over the past 10 seasons, the new format would have allowed in: five 10-6 teams; eight 9-7 teams; one 9-6-1 team, one 8-7-1 team; and five 8-8 teams. The most frequent beneficiary would have been the Steelers (thrice with an 8-8 record and once with a 9-6-1 record). The Titans and Bears would have made it twice each (with the Titans having 9-7 records both times and the Bears having a 10-6 record and an 8-8 record).
If you go back two more seasons, you'd get three more 9-7 teams and the only 11-5 team ever to miss the playoffs since the 12 team format began in 1990.
In 2019/20, the changed format would have looked like this (obviously, the 6 at 3 and 5 at 4 matchups don't change):
AFC
BAL (bye)
PIT (7) at KC (2)
TEN (6) at NE (3)
BUF (5) at HOU (4)
NFC
SF (bye)
LAR (7) at GB (2)
MIN (6) at NO (3)
SEA (5) at PHI (4)
The real losers in all of this are the #2 seeds who now have to play a third playoff game to reach the Super Bowl. Notably, this would have impacted three of the last four Super Bowl participants (KC this year and both teams last year) but only six of the last 20 participants (the three previously mentioned plus ATL in 2016, SF in 2012, and PIT in 2010).
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I'd still call that a massive infusion of mediocrity. And I think it diminishes the product quite a bit. The additional games would always be a team good enough to earn a bye vs a team that really shouldn't even be in the playoffs. Moreover, the races for those bye weeks always take a few teams down to the wire. With only one, we're much more likely to see teams in weeks 16-17 with little to play for.
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Well doesn't that make the bye more valuable and therefore lead to more competition in the final week as only one can have the week 1 buy? I'm not sure how the extra game adds to it as 8-8-1 is very unlikely so every team is likely to have a winning or losing record.
Obviously adding 1 more team does naturally mean adding more mediocrity but I'm not sure how much really at the end of the day. But it's deinifely about the cash. Two extra playoff games means lots more TV money. One more week of season and one less of preseason also means more money.
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Two extra playoff games means lots more TV money. One more week of season and one less of preseason also means more money.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Swapping out a preseason game for a regular season game is a net loss for player safety as it concerns the top 30-40 or so guys on the roster because those guys won't play in the fourth preseason game anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if the players ask for the elimination of two preseason games in exchange for one additional regular season game.
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Well doesn't that make the bye more valuable and therefore lead to more competition in the final week as only one can have the week 1 buy? I'm not sure how the extra game adds to it as 8-8-1 is very unlikely so every team is likely to have a winning or losing record.
That only bye week could be sewn up, though, leaving week 17, and maybe 16, pointless for that. Didn't the Ravens own tiebreaks against NE and KC last year, effectively locking it up 2 weeks early? I know KC and NE were definitely playing for that second bye.
Two extra playoff games means lots more TV money. One more week of season and one less of preseason also means more money.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Swapping out a preseason game for a regular season game is a net loss for player safety as it concerns the top 30-40 or so guys on the roster because those guys won't play in the fourth preseason game anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if the players ask for the elimination of two preseason games in exchange for one additional regular season game.
You might be right, but I figure they're still going to play about the same amount of time, perhaps more in the first preseason game, just to shake the rust off. I'm guessing you don't want to slash your starters' preseason time.
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Two extra playoff games means lots more TV money. One more week of season and one less of preseason also means more money.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Swapping out a preseason game for a regular season game is a net loss for player safety as it concerns the top 30-40 or so guys on the roster because those guys won't play in the fourth preseason game anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if the players ask for the elimination of two preseason games in exchange for one additional regular season game.
Apparently if you get a bye, you don't get a playoff check for the bye week. That article also said that was being bargained for the players to get that extra check if you get the buy. Kind of makes sense, that's an incentive. I could see that playing a role in accepting a 17th game. I think the player safety is definitely a big problem with expanding the regular season.
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Bump (since the 2019 thread is still going for some odd reason).
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Bump (since the 2019 thread is still going for some odd reason).
Sorry--I just locked that one and moved the relevant posts here.
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Apparently if you get a bye, you don't get a playoff check for the bye week. That article also said that was being bargained for the players to get that extra check if you get the buy. Kind of makes sense, that's an incentive. I could see that playing a role in accepting a 17th game.
I was listening to the Will Cain show at lunch, and he had a guest, who I assume was a former player (not sure who it was), and the topic of playoff compensation came up. Will asked how that worked since players get their full salaries whether or not their teams make the playoffs, and guy responded that, while the pay for playoff games is substantial in comparison to non-athlete pay, it's a pittance compared to the players' regular salaries, so it isn't much of a motivator. He was talking about one year when his team was getting killed in a playoff game during his free agent year and he gave some thought to pulling himself from the game to avoid injury.
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Bump (since the 2019 thread is still going for some odd reason).
Sorry--I just locked that one and moved the relevant posts here.
:tup :tup
As for the topic of adding a playoff team in each conference, I don't hate it, but I do not like the idea of only one team getting a bye. Getting the 1 seed is already such a big advantage, and now it will become even bigger.
If they are going to tweak the playoff system, start seeding teams by record, that way if a team wins their division at 9-7 or 8-8 they are not guaranteed a home playoff game, but they will never do it.
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I'm stoked that two of my teams are getting new stadiums this year, and two of them will play games in Miami.
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Being a Steelers fan and seeing that this new format would have benefited my team the last few years, I can only come to one conclusion. It's a terrible idea.
They simply haven't been good enough, and if they are any indication of the types of teams that would make it in then the idea needs to get shit-canned.
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I like the playoff format as it is now, but I didn't want to judge the new method until I saw how the results would work out. Now I have and it pretty much sucks. I went back five years and came up with this for the third WC spots:
8-8, 8-8
9-6-1, 8-7-1
9-7, 9-7
8-7-1, 9-7
8-8, 10-6
Somewhere Jeff Fisher is cursing this not being implemented earlier.
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I like the playoff format as it is now, but I didn't want to judge the new method until I saw how the results would work out. Now I have and it pretty much sucks. I went back five years and came up with this for the third WC spots:
8-8, 8-8
9-6-1, 8-7-1
9-7, 9-7
8-7-1, 9-7
8-8, 10-6
Somewhere Jeff Fisher is cursing this not being implemented earlier.
:rollin
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If they are going to tweak the playoff system, start seeding teams by record, that way if a team wins their division at 9-7 or 8-8 they are not guaranteed a home playoff game, but they will never do it.
Thumbs up to this from me.
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I just finished reading an amazing bio of Joe DiMaggio (by Richard Ben Cramer; HIGHLY recommended, even if you're not a Yankee fan), and it never ceases to amaze me how sport - not just baseball or football - has progressed since the 40's and 50's. Those guys lived and died by their playoff/World Series cuts. Some guys doubled their salaries if they made the Series, and for many, it was the difference between making money or not. It certainly influenced the "product" (in a good way, if you ask me) and having that incentive, instead of having the NFL/MLB be a big-time "payoff" for past performance, might not be the worst thing in the world.
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My neighborhood of Campus Hills had Johnny Unitas, Gino Marchetti, Alan Ameche and Joe Campanella of the 58-59 NFL champion Colts live here, and a couple made their home down payments from their playoff money, or started up a national food chain (Gino's). Gino was even the Campus Hills Colts youth football coach for many years.
Since we're on the 2020 bit, I just have to give a shout out to the NFL Network for their advertisement of the upcoming scouting combines. No talk, just the peeling away of the stripes from a football, to indicate the change from college to pros. I don't know if this had been used in previous years or not, but it is one of the best ads I have ever seen.
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If they are going to tweak the playoff system, start seeding teams by record, that way if a team wins their division at 9-7 or 8-8 they are not guaranteed a home playoff game, but they will never do it.
Thumbs up to this from me.
Then there would be no reason to have divisions. The record alone would speak for itself.
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My neighborhood of Campus Hills had Johnny Unitas, Gino Marchetti, Alan Ameche and Joe Campanella of the 58-59 NFL champion Colts live here, and a couple made their home down payments from their playoff money, or started up a national food chain (Gino's). Gino was even the Campus Hills Colts youth football coach for many years.
I don't think Gino's was ever national. Pretty sure that the original Gino's only had a few restaurants outside the Maryland/DC/Virginia area, and the new chain hasn't expanded beyond that are.
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If they are going to tweak the playoff system, start seeding teams by record, that way if a team wins their division at 9-7 or 8-8 they are not guaranteed a home playoff game, but they will never do it.
Thumbs up to this from me.
Then there would be no reason to have divisions. The record alone would speak for itself.
Agreed (other than, for schedule purposes, you would have the consistency factor of having to play those other division teams twice each per season, but that itself is rather meaningless if winning the division has no meaning). I was going to post the same thing. Winning your division should result in higher playoff seeding than getting in on a wildcard.
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My neighborhood of Campus Hills had Johnny Unitas, Gino Marchetti, Alan Ameche and Joe Campanella of the 58-59 NFL champion Colts live here, and a couple made their home down payments from their playoff money, or started up a national food chain (Gino's). Gino was even the Campus Hills Colts youth football coach for many years.
I don't think Gino's was ever national. Pretty sure that the original Gino's only had a few restaurants outside the Maryland/DC/Virginia area, and the new chain hasn't expanded beyond that are.
All it takes is a wiki search. They are down to two (one of them is about five blocks away from me), but they did have 359 sites at one time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino%27s_Hamburgers
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My neighborhood of Campus Hills had Johnny Unitas, Gino Marchetti, Alan Ameche and Joe Campanella of the 58-59 NFL champion Colts live here, and a couple made their home down payments from their playoff money, or started up a national food chain (Gino's). Gino was even the Campus Hills Colts youth football coach for many years.
I don't think Gino's was ever national. Pretty sure that the original Gino's only had a few restaurants outside the Maryland/DC/Virginia area, and the new chain hasn't expanded beyond that are.
All it takes is a wiki search. They are down to two (one of them is about five blocks away from me), but they did have 359 sites at one time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino%27s_Hamburgers
That's where I got the info. The original bunch of restaurants expanded to other parts of the northeast and to the west as far as Chicago, but nothing approaching national.
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The players really don't seem to like what is being offered, and it appears they aren't going to get anything better from the owners. I've heard more than one experienced NFL writer on the radio use the dreaded term "work stoppage."
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If they are going to tweak the playoff system, start seeding teams by record, that way if a team wins their division at 9-7 or 8-8 they are not guaranteed a home playoff game, but they will never do it.
Thumbs up to this from me.
Then there would be no reason to have divisions. The record alone would speak for itself.
Agreed (other than, for schedule purposes, you would have the consistency factor of having to play those other division teams twice each per season, but that itself is rather meaningless if winning the division has no meaning). I was going to post the same thing. Winning your division should result in higher playoff seeding than getting in on a wildcard.
I obviously do not agree. Winning your division gets you in the playoffs, and it should. I just think seeding the playoff teams in order of record is the most fair way to do it, and might result in more games being meaningful in week 17, instead of a division winner, for example, resting their guys because their seed is locked in and they have nothing to play for.
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There should be some benefit to winning your division.
Divisional strength is cyclical. There's no reason to overreact to that.
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From Twitter...
Colin Cowherd
@ColinCowherd
Saw Patrick Mahomes at the fight last night. Just mixes right in w everybody. Low maintenance. Friendly. Really impressive. NFL is lucky. Impossible not to root for his success.
I guess he ran out of characters before adding "unless your Stadler" at the end. :P :P
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I like the playoff format as it is now, but I didn't want to judge the new method until I saw how the results would work out. Now I have and it pretty much sucks. I went back five years and came up with this for the third WC spots:
8-8, 8-8
9-6-1, 8-7-1
9-7, 9-7
8-7-1, 9-7
8-8, 10-6
Somewhere Jeff Fisher is cursing this not being implemented earlier.
His was "7-9 Bullshit" :lol
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From Twitter...
Colin Cowherd
@ColinCowherd
Saw Patrick Mahomes at the fight last night. Just mixes right in w everybody. Low maintenance. Friendly. Really impressive. NFL is lucky. Impossible not to root for his success.
I guess he ran out of characters before adding "unless your Stadler" at the end. :P :P
:)
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From Twitter...
Colin Cowherd
@ColinCowherd
Saw Patrick Mahomes at the fight last night. Just mixes right in w everybody. Low maintenance. Friendly. Really impressive. NFL is lucky. Impossible not to root for his success.
I guess he ran out of characters before adding "unless your Stadler" at the end. :P :P
Even though I love Mahomes, I hate ever agreeing with CH cuz he's a tenth degree chode.
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From Twitter...
Colin Cowherd
@ColinCowherd
Saw Patrick Mahomes at the fight last night. Just mixes right in w everybody. Low maintenance. Friendly. Really impressive. NFL is lucky. Impossible not to root for his success.
I guess he ran out of characters before adding "unless your Stadler" at the end. :P :P
So all of a sudden, this "chode" is now gospel? :) :) :)
As I've said repeatedly, if you like him, more power to you. I certainly hope he (Mahomes) continues it for a couple more years, through good times and bad. I certainly do not wish bad things to happen to him.
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If they are going to tweak the playoff system, start seeding teams by record, that way if a team wins their division at 9-7 or 8-8 they are not guaranteed a home playoff game, but they will never do it.
Thumbs up to this from me.
Then there would be no reason to have divisions. The record alone would speak for itself.
Agreed (other than, for schedule purposes, you would have the consistency factor of having to play those other division teams twice each per season, but that itself is rather meaningless if winning the division has no meaning). I was going to post the same thing. Winning your division should result in higher playoff seeding than getting in on a wildcard.
I obviously do not agree. Winning your division gets you in the playoffs, and it should. I just think seeding the playoff teams in order of record is the most fair way to do it, and might result in more games being meaningful in week 17, instead of a division winner, for example, resting their guys because their seed is locked in and they have nothing to play for.
Well yeah, as long as there are divisions, that would be the preferred method. But let's just say for a moment that there are no divisions, just the two conferences. You can still seed the top 6 teams for each conference based on record. Wouldn't that be easier and more fair and straight forward or am I missing something? It would also diversify each team's schedule to eliminate playing three other teams twice each year. Not sure about the ramifications on home and away games for each team though. That might get a little messy. :-\
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Just for the heck of it, I took a look to see what might have changed in terms of playoff seedings over the last few years if the division winners didn't automatically get a home game. I think the only change of real significance would have been in 2018/19. In the AFC, we had the following
1. Chiefs (12-4) (bye)
2. Patriots (11-5) (bye)
6. Colts (10-6) at 3. Texans (11-5)
5. Chargers (12-4) at 4. Ravens (10-6)
The Chargers tied with the Chiefs for the best record in the conference but lost the tiebreaker. If only the records were taken into account, we'd have gotten the following:
1. Chiefs (12-4) (bye)
2. Chargers (12-4) (bye)
6. Colts (10-6) at 3. Patriots (11-5)
5. Ravens (10-6) at Texans (11-5)
With the Patriots not having a bye week, there's a pretty good chance that we'd not have gotten Super Bore 53.
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From Twitter...
Colin Cowherd
@ColinCowherd
Saw Patrick Mahomes at the fight last night. Just mixes right in w everybody. Low maintenance. Friendly. Really impressive. NFL is lucky. Impossible not to root for his success.
I guess he ran out of characters before adding "unless your Stadler" at the end. :P :P
So all of a sudden, this "chode" is now gospel? :) :) :)
Nah, just throwing in some light-hearted humor. :biggrin:
Well yeah, as long as there are divisions, that would be the preferred method. But let's just say for a moment that there are no divisions, just the two conferences. You can still seed the top 6 teams for each conference based on record. Wouldn't that be easier and more fair and straight forward or am I missing something? It would also diversify each team's schedule to eliminate playing three other teams twice each year. Not sure about the ramifications on home and away games for each team though. That might get a little messy. :-\
My idea has no chance of happening, and the owners getting rid of divisions has less no chance. :lol
And I wouldn't want to have no divisions.
Just for the heck of it, I took a look to see what might have changed in terms of playoff seedings over the last few years if the division winners didn't automatically get a home game. I think the only change of real significance would have been in 2018/19. In the AFC, we had the following
1. Chiefs (12-4) (bye)
2. Patriots (11-5) (bye)
6. Colts (10-6) at 3. Texans (11-5)
5. Chargers (12-4) at 4. Ravens (10-6)
The Chargers tied with the Chiefs for the best record in the conference but lost the tiebreaker. If only the records were taken into account, we'd have gotten the following:
1. Chiefs (12-4) (bye)
2. Chargers (12-4) (bye)
6. Colts (10-6) at 3. Patriots (11-5)
5. Ravens (10-6) at Texans (11-5)
With the Patriots not having a bye week, there's a pretty good chance that we'd not have gotten Super Bore 53.
While it's fun to go back and wonder what could have happen, it's not as simple as drawing such conclusions since a different playoff format would have resulted in certain teams approaching their week 16 and 17 games differently, so records and conference positions likely would have changed. For example, the Bills were locked in to the 5 seed after week 16 this past season, so they treated week 17 like a meaningless game. Same for the Texans, who had the division won and the 4 seed clinched at 10-5 after week 16, and rested many starters in week 17.
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I’m more for the expansion of the postseason and the elimination of the first round bye than I am for a reformatting of the playoffs. If you win your division, you should get a home playoff game, but good teams shouldn’t be forced to miss the playoffs because the best team in a shitty division has to make it. The best example of this was the 2010 season, when the 10-6 Giants and Buccaneers missed the playoffs on tiebreakers while the 7-9 Seahawks got to host a playoff game. If the playoffs were expanded to 16 teams, the two 10-6 teams would have had a shot and there would have been far less anger about a team with a losing record hosting a playoff game. The first round would have been as follows:
14-2 Patriots vs 8-8 Jaguars
12-4 Steelers vs 9-7 Chargers
10-6 Colts vs 11-5 Jets
10-6 Chiefs vs 12-4 Ravens
13-3 Falcons vs 10-6 Buccaneers
11-5 Bears vs 10-6 Giants
10-6 Eagles vs 10-6 Packers
7-9 Seahawks vs 11-5 Saints
Sure one 8-8 team slipped in there, but in this scenario, every team who had a winning record would have gotten a shot in the playoffs. I also think that a first round bye in the playoffs creates an unfair advantage. Since the implementation of the first round bye, there has never been a Super Bowl without at least one team who had the wild card weekend off. Hell the Patriots under Belichick have never made a Super Bowl without a first round bye, and they’re the greatest football dynasty of all time. Also, having four more playoff games creates more revenue for the league, and we know how the modern day NFL is mostly money driven. And with two more playoff spots per conference, it puts more teams in the hunt in the later season, giving us more competitive games. Expand the playoff field and I personally believe the product will be better for it.
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I don't see anything "better" about what you posted. And I have no problem with the 2010 season and don't know why anyone would.
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Sports analysts are stupid. Tom Brady is NOT going to the 49ers. I'll take any bets anyone wants to put out there.
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Sports analysts are stupid. Tom Brady is NOT going to the 49ers. I'll take any bets anyone wants to put out there.
I won't either, but that DOES fit into my prediction that Jimmy G. would STILL be the guy to replace Tom if/when he leaves/retires.
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Who was the sports analyst that said that? Skip Bayless? :rollin
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Who was the sports analyst that said that? Skip Bayless? :rollin
I've seen at least three separate ones this week.
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I've seen a few. It seems to have gained some traction, but makes zero sense whatsoever. The reality is that Brady Roullette is the most interesting thing this off season, so everybody and their dog is speculating. Personally, I'm rooting for Bridgewater. Resigning Brady would come at the cost of other, younger veterans, and if it's Brady and nothing else, or Not-brady and plenty more, I'm hoping for the latter. Keeping him couldn't even be seen as taking one last stab at another ring with him, as the team would be significantly weaker than last year's. Plus, might as well get the dead cap out of the way now rather than continuing to grow it.
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I'm not still not buying much of this dog and pony show. Brady will remain a Patriot and that will be it.
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I'm not still not buying much of this dog and pony show. Brady will remain a Patriot and that will be it.
Why would he want to? If they keep him they can't afford to bring in the talent he wants. At best they could keep most of the team from last year together, and two of the players they can't keep will come from the O-line. It's in everybody's best interest for him to skedaddle.
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I'm not still not buying much of this dog and pony show. Brady will remain a Patriot and that will be it.
I wish I shared your optimism. Someone will throw money at him in with the right team, he's gone.
My take, he was not backed un Deflategate and was hung out to dry by Kraft & Belichick. The resentment is festering. Add taking less was adding up.
Why ask in the last contract to become a unrestricted free agent?
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I'm not still not buying much of this dog and pony show. Brady will remain a Patriot and that will be it.
I did not think so Kev.
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I'm not still not buying much of this dog and pony show. Brady will remain a Patriot and that will be it.
Why would he want to? If they keep him they can't afford to bring in the talent he wants. At best they could keep most of the team from last year together, and two of the players they can't keep will come from the O-line. It's in everybody's best interest for him to skedaddle.
All of those things are true, but I just think he doesn't really want to leave and both sides will find a way to get it done. No one knows Brady as well as he knows himself, and I am sure he knows that he is declining and needs more help now than he ever has, so there is always the possibility that Vrabel makes him an offer he can't refuse or the 49ers pull off something crazy, but I just think when this little show is all said and done, Brady will still be wearing number 12 in Boston.
I'm not still not buying much of this dog and pony show. Brady will remain a Patriot and that will be it.
I wish I shared your optimism. Someone will throw money at him in with the right team, he's gone.
My take, he was not backed un Deflategate and was hung out to dry by Kraft & Belichick. The resentment is festering. Add taking less was adding up.
Why ask in the last contract to become a unrestricted free agent?
I think Brady wants the Patriots to crawl a little to get him to come back. I don't think he really wants to leave, but wants them to get on their knees a little for him, hence this little publicity game he has been playing for the last two months. I think Belichick is willing to call his bluff and say, "cya bye," but I think eventually Kraft will insist on keeping him and find a way to make it happen.
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I don't think so Kev.
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What scenario hurts the Patriots fans more? Brady leaving or Brady staying with a depleted team?
Whichever hurts more, I want that one. I'm a Dolphins fan, and my in-laws are Pats fans.
LOL, Just kidding!!!!!!
Well, actually I'm not. Maybe a little. No, I'm not. :biggrin:
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Brady leaving. Lol
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I think the part that bothers me - well, "bothers" isn't the right word; it just doesn't fit - is that Brady is far too smart to not know what the Patriots position is. He's seen this already with a list of players as long as El Barto's beard. For 20 years he not only saw it first hand, but played into it (with his salary concessions). He's no dummy, he knows that it makes zero sense for the club to keep him. NONE. I guess I get the role of ego, but that doesn't really play with what I've seen of Tom.
It's not new, it's not out of character, it's not unexpected. So where does that leave Brady? I do believe the hype that he doesn't know where he's going to go. I'm actually not ruling out retirement. The one wildcard? The Pats have no real fall-back, and I find it hard to believe that Brady would fuck them over like that. Is it possible that he's waiting for the draft? Does this play schedule-wise?
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I don't know whether he is staying or going. But I do know he isn't coming to SF. For salary cap reasons and the number of players hitting free agency right now and in a year, they would have to cut talent to get him, and his long-term upside is far short of Jimmy G.'s, given the age difference. I'm typically quick to say "we don't know what the powers that be in these organizations are thinking and doing behind closed doors, so let's not leap to conclusions." But the '9ers are trying to built long-term, sustainable success, and anybody halfway paying attention can see that bringing Brady in would undermine that and simply be trading it for short-terms gain (which would be no gain at all, since they would have to downgrade in several key positions due to aforementioned salary cap issues).
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I would like to see Brady come to the Dolphins. Not because I think it makes us a better team. Solely for the entertainment value of watching my in-laws heads explode like on Scanners.
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I can identify with that.
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I think the part that bothers me - well, "bothers" isn't the right word; it just doesn't fit - is that Brady is far too smart to not know what the Patriots position is. He's seen this already with a list of players as long as El Barto's beard. For 20 years he not only saw it first hand, but played into it (with his salary concessions). He's no dummy, he knows that it makes zero sense for the club to keep him. NONE. I guess I get the role of ego, but that doesn't really play with what I've seen of Tom.
It's not new, it's not out of character, it's not unexpected. So where does that leave Brady? I do believe the hype that he doesn't know where he's going to go. I'm actually not ruling out retirement. The one wildcard? The Pats have no real fall-back, and I find it hard to believe that Brady would fuck them over like that. Is it possible that he's waiting for the draft? Does this play schedule-wise?
Eh, he will be a free agent, so unless you want to blame him for allegedly talking Daddy Kraft into making the Hoodie trade Jimmy G a few years ago, it's not his problem if he leaves and the Patriots have no fall-back plan. I suspect, if Brady does indeed depart, that Belichick already has a few guys in mind, maybe Bridgewater, Mariotta or Dalton.
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I think the part that bothers me - well, "bothers" isn't the right word; it just doesn't fit - is that Brady is far too smart to not know what the Patriots position is. He's seen this already with a list of players as long as El Barto's beard. For 20 years he not only saw it first hand, but played into it (with his salary concessions). He's no dummy, he knows that it makes zero sense for the club to keep him. NONE. I guess I get the role of ego, but that doesn't really play with what I've seen of Tom.
It's not new, it's not out of character, it's not unexpected. So where does that leave Brady? I do believe the hype that he doesn't know where he's going to go. I'm actually not ruling out retirement. The one wildcard? The Pats have no real fall-back, and I find it hard to believe that Brady would fuck them over like that. Is it possible that he's waiting for the draft? Does this play schedule-wise?
Eh, he will be a free agent, so unless you want to blame him for allegedly talking Daddy Kraft into making the Hoodie trade Jimmy G a few years ago, it's not his problem if he leaves and the Patriots have no fall-back plan. I suspect, if Brady does indeed depart, that Belichick already has a few guys in mind, maybe Bridgewater, Mariotta or Dalton.
I don't disagree with any of that, really. But I just think there's a fundamental difference between a Tom Brady, and a Le'veon Bell, or any of hundreds of other athletes that are just "lookin' to be paid". I think there are players that don't give fuck one about the teams they are leaving, or even going to. I just don't think that's Brady; I don't think he wants that on his legacy, frankly. I do think Belichick has a plan, he always does, and I don't disagree with your choice (as a Patriot fan, I'm good with any of those, though not in that order).
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Not that anyone cares what I think, but I believe that there is zero chance Brady stays in New England. He's won 6 Super Bowls playing the "Patriot way" under arguably the greatest head coach of all time.
I think he wants to bet on him self, go somewhere new and win one the "TB12" way. Some of these potential landing spots may seem appealing to him compared to what he'd potentially have at New England next year. So yeah, I think he's gone.
But with that said, I see someone like Carr, Bridgwater or Dalton picking up the playbook in New England and keeping them right where they are as contenders.
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TB12 is a huge component of this.
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But what team could be an instant contender by adding him? I'm not really seeing that team as existing in the league.
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But what team could be an instant contender by adding him? I'm not really seeing that team as existing in the league.
I think Tennessee figures if they got as far as they did with Tannehill at QB, Brady may be enough to get over the hump.
For teams like the Raiders and Chargers, it may be more about having his star power to try to help in their new or newish cities.
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How good could the Colts be with a better QB? I've been hearing that is where Rivers will end up signing, though.
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Watching NFL Network's a Football Life: Jerry Rice. I knew he was Super Bowl XXIII MVP, but I didn't know that Disney asked Montana to do the I'm going to Disney world bit. That was pathetic.
As many of the older guys in this chat know... Jerry Rice was phenomenal.....
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Watching NFL Network's a Football Life: Jerry Rice. I knew he was Super Bowl XXIII MVP, but I didn't know that Disney asked Montana to do the I'm going to Disney world bit. That was pathetic.
As many of the older guys in this chat know... Jerry Rice was phenomenal.....
He was!
I'm not watching it, but isn't that all done (the Disney thing) well ahead of time? It's racism, isn't it? Serious.
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Jerry Rice is still my pick for greatest football player ever.
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Whoa, hot take there Kev! :biggrin:
In other news, I heard there are talks to move Al Michaels to ESPN to work MNF with Peyton Manning.
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I'd be shocked if NBC is willing to essentially trade Al Michaels to ESPN. I am sure ESPN is desperate to restore MNF's prestige, which has slipped badly in recent years, but it's their own fault. They don't do a great job with the lead-in to the game and they have done a poor job with the choice of announcers. It's no wonder that the NFL gives most of the best games to the Sunday night slot. Heck, it seems like in recent years that even Thursday night is getting better games than Monday night.
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Sunday is football day, so it makes sense that the week's marquee game is on Sunday primetime.
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I’m more for the expansion of the postseason and the elimination of the first round bye than I am for a reformatting of the playoffs. <SNIP>
.... I also think that a first round bye in the playoffs creates an unfair advantage. Since the implementation of the first round bye, there has never been a Super Bowl without at least one team who had the wild card weekend off. Hell the Patriots under Belichick have never made a Super Bowl without a first round bye, and they’re the greatest football dynasty of all time. Also, having four more playoff games creates more revenue for the league, and we know how the modern day NFL is mostly money driven. And with two more playoff spots per conference, it puts more teams in the hunt in the later season, giving us more competitive games. Expand the playoff field and I personally believe the product will be better for it.
I appreciate the homework on this. But, in the case of at least one team each year reaching the SB with a first week bye, maybe they just happen to be the better teams. They earned their byes. I don't want the product diluted due to 8-8 teams making it as a wild card, or the best teams losing a couple of players to injuries in the wild card round. I can also see teams in that won't have the chance for a first round bye as in years past resting their players if they have their division sown up. It just becomes like the NCAA basketball tourney and getting your 'competition' medal with a watered down product.
Don't get me started on the possible 17th game. Player safety....yeah, right (I'm still waiting for teams playing Thursdays to have their bye the prior Sunday....tick, tick, tick). Just using last year as an example, but do people really want to see DC or Jacksonville or Detroit or Cleveland or Cincinnati play another game, at a neutral site no less? I'm sure the players want to get out of Dodge just as fast.
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It seems to me that rather than adding a 17th game, the league would get largely the same benefit just by adding a second bye. Ticket sales, stupidly expensive as they may be, are a pittance compared to pretty much every other revenue stream the NFL has. They mostly just cover operating costs. Increasing them by 6% isn't going to matter much, especially when you increase the operations of your stadium by the same amount. Whereas from a TV standpoint 21 weeks is a huge increase over 20.
And I hadn't considered the need to balance out HFA throughout the league. I suppose if you're going to have an international game every week it's simple enough, but I don't see that happening.
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Jerry Rice is still my pick for greatest football player ever.
Other than Lawrence Taylor, sure. ;)
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But what team could be an instant contender by adding him? I'm not really seeing that team as existing in the league.
I think you're probably right, but.... it's not what we think, it's what the GM/Coach/Owner think. David Tepper thought it was a famtastic idea to bury Matt Rhule in money, too. There will be a team stupid enough to sign Philip Rivers, too, you betcha. GIven that, I would bet there are at least three teams in the league that would think that Tom Brady is a good move for the next two years. Las Vegas is on that list. Tennessee is on that list. No one else seems to agree with me, but I think that explains San Francisco's being mentioned here (though I agree that's not their best move).
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My In-Laws (from Boston, and rabid Pats fans) were in town this past weekend, and the subject of Brady came up.
They agreed that Brady's best course of action (best for Brady AND the team) would be to retire.
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That's what fans say when they don't want to see "their guy" play for another team.
Tom has said from the start 45 is the goal. It helps his TB12 brand tremendously if he plays to 45. (Playing at a high level as well)
It seems to me Brady and Bellichick is a marriage gone sour and both want out.
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It seems to me Brady and Bellichick is a marriage gone sour and both want out.
Maybe. But I don't think we can really assume that. Nobody really knows the extent of that other than them.
But assuming for argument's sake that it is true, if they can each just "get over it" and get out of their own heads about it (which, admittedly, can be very difficult), they stand the best chance of success by getting past it and making things work.
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It seems to me Brady and Bellichick is a marriage gone sour and both want out.
Maybe. But I don't think we can really assume that. Nobody really knows the extent of that other than them.
But assuming for argument's sake that it is true, if they can each just "get over it" and get out of their own heads about it (which, admittedly, can be very difficult), they stand the best chance of success by getting past it and making things work.
It's more than just getting over it. It's also a matter of Brady taking a very team-friendly deal to try and keep some talent around him. The reality is that personalities don't factor into it as much a finances, and I think Bill is almost certainly thinking beyond 2020. And honestly, if there's to be an offensive shake up in the next 1-3 years, it would be best happening while a lot of defensive pieces are still in place.
Personally, I'm ready for Stidham. I'm tired of the drama, and I think the time has come to finally move on. If Stidham works out, great. If not he'll still win ten or eleven games and they can Cassel his ass off to who knows where for a high pick.
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For Bill it is financial. For Brady it is financial but it's more. Since Deflategate, where Bill told the media, "Ask Tom," and Kraft backing down from the owners Brady's demeanor has changed.
Brady has to feel slighted. Add that financially he's taken less forever then doesn't get the backing from the owner and coach has changed his perspective on this team.
Asking and receiving not getting franchised says a lot. So it's a mix of financial and personal.
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There's a fundamental difference though: Tom is speaking for Tom, with consequences for Tom (and his family) and Bill is speaking for the team, with consequences for the team. Bill won't be coaching in 20 years, but he might be in 10, and it's a powerful motivational tool (and credibility boost) if he tells Player A the Patriots will only do this and when Player A pushes back Bill can say "we did it with Brady, we're doing it with you too." It's always been the Patriot way to not have superstars, and yet they find themselves with exactly that. I get that he's a kicker, but they sent Vinateri packing without so much as a goodbye kiss. But there's still Wolfork. Law. Seymour. Moss. McGinest. Welker. Amendola.
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Absolutely but none of those guys too less for his team. Not that Brady may be the best player ever. Who did whatever the coach ask, wasnt above criticism.
There is a point that something functionally happened and I say it was not being backed and was suspended. After the SB, he changed in the media, not showing up for OTA all while his mom was going through cancer durring that season and SB.
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Jerry Rice is still my pick for greatest football player ever.
Other than Lawrence Taylor, sure. ;)
He is definitely in the conversation as well. Put them in any order you want, but my all-time top 5 is Rice, LT, Montana, Peyton and Brady.
And trust me, as someone who growing up stubbornly refused to concede that Montana was better than Elway, it hurts a little to put Montana in there and not Elway, but I like to think I'm a lot more sensible now, although I still have a ways to go... :P :P
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Jerry Rice is still my pick for greatest football player ever.
Other than Lawrence Taylor, sure. ;)
He is definitely in the conversation as well. Put them in any order you want, but my all-time top 5 is Rice, LT, Montana, Peyton and Brady.
And trust me, as someone who growing up stubbornly refused to concede that Montana was better than Elway, it hurts a little to put Montana in there and not Elway, but I like to think I'm a lot more sensible now, although I still have a ways to go... :P :P
That's not a bad list.
I read an interesting article that posited that the best course of action for the Pats is... give Brady a FIVE YEAR deal. That:
- locks him up beyond where even HE said he would stop playing, thereby showing the love/commitment;
- builds in the understanding that the Pats DO have to plan for the future, and allows them to do so without having to force out Brady;
- allows them to throw money at Tom without banging the cap too hard in Years 1 and 2, allowing them to fill out those positions that hurt them in 2019 (TE, O-line).
The premise of that article is that there are rumblings that Belichick figures that his best chance in 2020 is WITH Brady, not without. I don't know how true that is, but it makes a lot of sense. They kept Josh, they are still built for that kind of offense that requires more QB than they are going to get right out of college (and don't have right now on the bench) and maybe even gives Belichick a time table of his own. The only thing it DOESN'T answer (which is the one thing that I don't see as big an issue as some people do) is that "Belichick v. Brady" thing; neither one will really have an opportunity to "test the waters" without the other. Personally, I think both of those guys are far too smart to ever think that one or maybe two seasons of forced separation will ever be a true test of their actual greatness. The memory of Montana, Favre, even Peyton, etc. are too recent.
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Jerry Rice is still my pick for greatest football player ever.
Other than Lawrence Taylor, sure. ;)
He is definitely in the conversation as well. Put them in any order you want, but my all-time top 5 is Rice, LT, Montana, Peyton and Brady.
And trust me, as someone who growing up stubbornly refused to concede that Montana was better than Elway, it hurts a little to put Montana in there and not Elway, but I like to think I'm a lot more sensible now, although I still have a ways to go... :P :P
That's not a bad list.
I read an interesting article that posited that the best course of action for the Pats is... give Brady a FIVE YEAR deal. That:
- locks him up beyond where even HE said he would stop playing, thereby showing the love/commitment;
- builds in the understanding that the Pats DO have to plan for the future, and allows them to do so without having to force out Brady;
- allows them to throw money at Tom without banging the cap too hard in Years 1 and 2, allowing them to fill out those positions that hurt them in 2019 (TE, O-line).
The premise of that article is that there are rumblings that Belichick figures that his best chance in 2020 is WITH Brady, not without. I don't know how true that is, but it makes a lot of sense. They kept Josh, they are still built for that kind of offense that requires more QB than they are going to get right out of college (and don't have right now on the bench) and maybe even gives Belichick a time table of his own. The only thing it DOESN'T answer (which is the one thing that I don't see as big an issue as some people do) is that "Belichick v. Brady" thing; neither one will really have an opportunity to "test the waters" without the other. Personally, I think both of those guys are far too smart to ever think that one or maybe two seasons of forced separation will ever be a true test of their actual greatness. The memory of Montana, Favre, even Peyton, etc. are too recent.
I don't like it. They're just creating longer-term cap problems at time when a full rebuild might well be on the horizon. I'm looking for a more gradual transition.
Something else to consider is that JMD won't be there forever. They're lucky to have him this year, and he's going to be a key component with their next QB. If they could bring in a Bridgewater, or even Brisset, they're going to need that creativity and coaching.
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Will the draft still be a giant spectacle? I’m leaning towards no.
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Playoff field officially expanded to 14 teams.
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Kinda weird having sports news to talk about.
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Kinda weird having sports news to talk about.
I agree, although since the NFL starts in the fall, all of its offseason stuff that can be done in isolation is happening now so it makes sense that it’s the only league with news to report on.
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Titans and 49ers have now said no to Tom Brady.
I can only imagine the pissy look he will have on his face all next season if he ends up staying with the Patriots at their price, which looks likely, unless he wants to risk going to a franchise that has been a mess for a while (Bucs or Chargers).
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That is ridiculous fucking money they gave to Tannehill.
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He just raised the bar for Dak, which was already way too high. :lol :lol
And looks like the new CBA was agreed on both sides. Yee-haw.
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Yeah, Prescott was the first person I thought of.
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He just raised the bar for Dak, which was already way too high. :lol :lol
And looks like the new CBA was agreed on both sides. Yee-haw.
Seriously.
Also, good news for us Brady fans seeing thus. Lol
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NFL players are fuckin HUGE rubes for agreeing to what was on the table unless things massively changed from what I last saw a few weeks ago when they were pushing the 17-game schedule. Basically, they all just said "It won't be me with CTE or debilitating chronic health issues when I'm 45." the way they made zero progress on trying to get guaranteed contracts. Seems like either the higher-ranking players influenced the bottom feeder players (of which basically half the NFL is comprised) that they have zero chance of being broke and with no way to pay for their medical problems in their post-NFL lives or those same low-level players were just dumb and careless enough to think it was worse to miss out on 0.5-1 season of game checks in order to hold out for guaranteed contracts than it is to risk being broke, homeless, and in failing health 20-30 years from now.
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....Seems like either the higher-ranking players influenced the bottom feeder players (of which basically half the NFL is comprised)...
Just to bolster your point, those lower end guys comprise way more than 50%.
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I know. I was just heading off anyone with a differing viewpoint from trying to initiate a tug-of-war of hyperbole by beating them to lowballing the figure.
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Also, good news for us Brady fans seeing thus. Lol
Speak for yourself, man. I'm ready to see him boogie.
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Also, good news for us Brady fans seeing thus. Lol
Speak for yourself, man. I'm ready to see him boogie.
If the plan is Stidhum then that is a hell no. I get the cap implications but they have no backup plan unlike others who site SF & GB. So for me, unless it's a Bridgewater type, then you need to bring Brady back, even with the cap hit.
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Also, good news for us Brady fans seeing thus. Lol
Speak for yourself, man. I'm ready to see him boogie.
If the plan is Stidhum then that is a hell no. I get the cap implications but they have no backup plan unlike others who site SF & GB. So for me, unless it's a Bridgewater type, then you need to bring Brady back, even with the cap hit.
Bringing Brady back won't help if you hobble the O-line and D front seven to do it. It's actually an interesting puzzle. A Stidham Patriots team with nearly all of the pieces from last year still in place, plus the draft and free agency, or a Brady Patriots team missing numerous key pieces. Since the Pats will be a team long after Brady is gone, I'm looking for the former. And in part because it'll be fascinating to watch, as opposed to a depressing slide into irrelevancy.
Apparently Brady has two demands for any team that signs him, which actually shows a good deal of his insight from playing for Bill. He wants real input into personnel decisions. Sort of a co-GM. He also wants more freedom to call his own plays. Sort of a co-OC. The latter is a given. You'd be a fool not to give him more freedom to call plays. I can't see other teams buying into the co-GM part of it, though. In any case, I think it shows how frustrated he was this last year with the team not addressing personnel matters that directly affected him.
Apparently Bill is offering him a contract worth less than the one he played under last year. I can't help but think that's a big part of the reason why the phone call "didn't go well," as the reports have said. Sounds like Bill. :lol
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They just franchised Joe Thuney. I'm not sure they are not going for it two more year. Add D. McCourty signed. Makes me think they are still going for it.
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They just franchised Joe Thuney. I'm not sure they are not going for it two more year. Add D. McCourty signed. Makes me think they are still going for it.
Wow, that's uncommon for NE.
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For sure. They only have 5.65 Million under the cap now.
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Van Noy to Miami.
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Hate to lose him but we knew he would get his money out there.
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That's a big loss, if you ask me, but I also think he's one of those players that will excel in New England and not so much somewhere else.
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That's a big loss, if you ask me, but I also think he's one of those players that will excel in New England and not so much somewhere else.
That's entirely possible, but at least he's going to a coach that actually knows his true strengths and weaknesses.
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That's a big loss, if you ask me, but I also think he's one of those players that will excel in New England and not so much somewhere else.
That's entirely possible, but at least he's going to a coach that actually knows his true strengths and weaknesses.
And is, from all accounts, building a culture that is similar to NE in many respects.
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That's a big loss, if you ask me, but I also think he's one of those players that will excel in New England and not so much somewhere else.
That's entirely possible, but at least he's going to a coach that actually knows his true strengths and weaknesses.
And is, from all accounts, building a culture that is similar to NE in many respects.
So, Brady?
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That's a big loss, if you ask me, but I also think he's one of those players that will excel in New England and not so much somewhere else.
That's entirely possible, but at least he's going to a coach that actually knows his true strengths and weaknesses.
And is, from all accounts, building a culture that is similar to NE in many respects.
So, Brady?
No. I think he is trying to build something for the future.
But seeing my in-laws from NE heads explode would be worth Brady as a Fin for one game lol.
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WOW!!! Frikken Texans got fleeced by the Cards. Must be some kind of internal issue with the Texans and Hopkins.
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Just reinforces my long-held belief that Bill O'Brien is a doofus.
Bills traded for Diggs tonight as well.
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For sure. They only have 5.65 Million under the cap now.
They just franchised Joe Thuney. I'm not sure they are not going for it two more year. Add D. McCourty signed. Makes me think they are still going for it.
Wow, that's uncommon for NE.
I bet they're shopping him. Somebody could land him for a year for less than they would have offered him, and NE would get a proper pick instead of a compensatory pick.
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WOW!!! Frikken Texans got fleeced by the Cards. Must be some kind of internal issue with the Texans and Hopkins.
Fuck. Why couldn't something like this have happened when Larry Fitzgerald was still in his prime? It's still a crime he and Anquan Boldin couldn't remain together longer.
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WOW!!! Frikken Texans got fleeced by the Cards. Must be some kind of internal issue with the Texans and Hopkins.
Fuck. Why couldn't something like this have happened when Larry Fitzgerald was still in his prime? It's still a crime he and Anquan Boldin couldn't remain together longer.
So true, Boldin's rookie year was awesome! Picked him up on waivers first or second week and rode him to my first FF Championship! Yeah... the NFC West just got even better.
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I hope so (for the Cards anyway since I like them a lot). I thought Kyler Murray wasn't all that good last year but I just looked it up and found out he passed for 3722 yards last year which is pretty bangin for a rookie mobile QB. Just to be sure that wasn't artificially padded by something like a couple crazy 400-yard games I looked at his game logs and saw he had five 300-yard games. He also ran for 544 yards. 4266 total yards for a rookie QB is damn good. What really killed his stats was three games at 150 or less. Somehow, they actually won two of those including one in Seattle. As he comes into form, they could become dangerous.
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https://nesn.com/2020/03/tom-brady-announces-he-is-leaving-patriots-thanks-organization/
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I don't know if it's COVID-19, or Trump, or no coffee, but I'm oddly non-plussed by that. So be it. Word is he got good offers from the Chargers and the Buccanneers, and if that's his "better option", well, GO PATS! I'm okay with that.
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I think a lot of the "non plussed-ness" is likely due to inevitability of this that has occurred over the last couple of years.
Still stunning.
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And reading through again, I'm not actually convinced it's definite he's still playing and not retiring.
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And reading through again, I'm not actually convinced it's definite he's still playing and not retiring.
"...although my football journey will take place somewhere else." Is somewhere else the beer league?
He obviously has an agreement in place that cannot be announced until tomorrow.
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And reading through again, I'm not actually convinced it's definite he's still playing and not retiring.
"...although my football journey will take place somewhere else." Is somewhere else the beer league?
He obviously has an agreement in place that cannot be announced until tomorrow.
Could be. If it's San Diego (it will always be "San Diego", just like the Raiders are still "Oakland") or Tampa Bay, I'm fine with that. Bring on the Belichick era. I'm far more interested who they are going to bring in to be the starter (I don't see it being Stedman).
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I'm far more interested who they are going to bring in to be the starter (I don't see it being Stedman).
Yeah, I don't see it either.
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/phillytrib.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/6b/36bc3c9a-af12-5c9c-be02-0afbd935695c/5d800042a4210.image.jpg?crop=1038%2C602%2C116%2C64&resize=1038%2C602&order=crop%2Cresize)
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Current odds. I'd put Brissett on that list, too.
Teddy Bridgewater +300
Jarrett Stidham +300
Andy Dalton +400
Derek Carr +700
Jameis Winston +900
Philip Rivers +1500
Tua Tagovailoa +2000
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Current odds. I'd put Brissett on that list, too.
Teddy Bridgewater +300
Jarrett Stidham +300
Andy Dalton +400
Derek Carr +700
Jameis Winston +900
Philip Rivers +1500
Tua Tagovailoa +2000
I like Bridgewater and Dalton.
I would burn my jerseys if it's Winston or Rivers. Seriously. That would be a sign of Belichick's senility, if you ask me.
I don't know about Carr, from the stand point that it could go either way. I don't know about Tutuola, from the standpoint that I just don't know.
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I haven't followed the chatter with the impending decision for Tom, was the general consensus that he would leave? How shocking or not shocking is that he's leaving the Patriots?
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The thing is, he has kicked a bit on his contracts, but has always come back to a team friendly deal, or that Kraft would step in. So some were hoping that would be the case here. But anyone paying attention knew that wasn't happening.
So not shocking that he is leaving, but quite shocking now that it's final.
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They have 5.6 mil in cap space. They cannot afford a free agent QB. It's going to be Stidham.
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Bummed about Diggs being traded away from the Vikings. Got a decent haul for him at least. Disappointing when a home grown, popular player forces his way out.
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I haven't followed the chatter with the impending decision for Tom, was the general consensus that he would leave? How shocking or not shocking is that he's leaving the Patriots?
It's been split. Some of us have said all along he's gone. Others have maintained just as strongly that he'd never leave. So, shocking to some and not to others.
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They have 5.6 mil in cap space. They cannot afford a free agent QB. It's going to be Stidham.
Not if they trade Thuney.
Sorry to see Jamie Collins go. I think it'll go he same way it did last time he left, but with NE he's always been a solid player.
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Watching Scott Zolak lose his mind is making my day today.
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They have 5.6 mil in cap space. They cannot afford a free agent QB. It's going to be Stidham.
Not if they trade Thuney.
Yup, very true.
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Damned respectful.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETUVNHTWAAAjYHd?format=jpg&name=medium)
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I love that. I think Tom's gotta do what Tom's gotta do, but there's very little that can happen over the next year, two or three that will ever really separate Tom from Bill from the Pats and all combinations thereof.
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Watching Scott Zolak lose his mind is making my day today.
Wasn't he a punter? Why is he losing his mind (and why does anyone care)?
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Watching Scott Zolak lose his mind is making my day today.
Wasn't he a punter? Why is he losing his mind (and why does anyone care)?
According to Wikipedia, he is a former Pats QB and the current color guy for their radio broadcasts since 2012.
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Correct. He is also the mid day host on 98.5 The Sports Hub in Boston.
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Zo was a backup QB in the 90's.
But on air, he's a fucking oaf.
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Apparently it's the Bucs.
https://weei.radio.com/blogs/weei/tom-brady-rumors-quarterback-to-sign-with-buccaneers
Colin Cowherd also reported today that a source told him it was the Bucs.
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With Philip Rivers signing with the Colts, does that mean the Chargers are back in the hunt for Brady? Part of me hopes so because I would love to see there be some success and excitement around that team, but the other part of me hopes not because I really like them and don’t want to have to root against them.
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That's a big loss, if you ask me, but I also think he's one of those players that will excel in New England and not so much somewhere else.
That's entirely possible, but at least he's going to a coach that actually knows his true strengths and weaknesses.
And is, from all accounts, building a culture that is similar to NE in many respects.
So, Brady?
No. I think he is trying to build something for the future.
But seeing my in-laws from NE heads explode would be worth Brady as a Fin for one game lol.
Well if Brady goes to Tampa, that will be a close second. Guess where my in-laws from Boston all moved to? St. Pete....just outside Tampa. I think being inundated everyday by Brady Bucs hysteria might have the same effect over time LOL.
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I'm not sure why he'd want to go to Tampa. The Chargers would have more to offer.
Also, NE plays SD next year. I'd love to see that match-up.
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He should just retire.
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He should just retire.
Isn't playing in Tampa basically the same thing?
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He should just retire.
Isn't playing in Tampa basically the same thing?
Tampa Bay Boca-neers
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He should just retire.
Why? Really. His brand is to play to 45. He will get a 2 year deal and will be 1000% better than Winston.
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Sounds like it is Brady's decision to leave, not the Hoodie pushing him out the door. He met yesterday with Kraft, who reportedly said that if Brady had wanted to stay, they would have found a way to make it work, but his mind was already made up.
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What I heard on the radio at lunch was that Giselle doesn't like "California living" (for what that's worth) and that Tampa was the most logical destination. Playing until age 45 doesn't do much for the legacy if he shows himself to be mortal, which I think is likely. He's the GOAT, but he's not anywhere near the best playing today.
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Sounds like it is Brady's decision to leave, not the Hoodie pushing him out the door. He met yesterday with Kraft, who reportedly said that if Brady had wanted to stay, they would have found a way to make it work, but his mind was already made up.
Brady has been pining for a multi year extension for a number of years now. Belichick has been going year to year with him. Brady has had enough basically. Did the Hoodie push him out? Technically yes, but it was just business. Belichick has always been disciplined in player decisions and with Brady he showed the ultimate discipline. No way was Kraft touching this. He's been distancing himself from the situation for a year now.
He met with Kraft to say goodbye. He had enough respect to tell Kraft face to face before he announced it. There's nothing Kraft could have done. That's just Kraft putting it in Brady's hands. Minutes after Brady's announcement, Kraft starts calling media members crying "It was Tom's decision." Puleeze.
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Sounds like it is Brady's decision to leave, not the Hoodie pushing him out the door. He met yesterday with Kraft, who reportedly said that if Brady had wanted to stay, they would have found a way to make it work, but his mind was already made up.
Not true. Because of the cap hit Bellichick offered 2 year 25 million to Brady. So that line is bullshit.
Bill did not want to pay Brady what he will get out in Free agency. Kraft had to side with his couch. It is again spin.
I understand the team side. They will never flat out say he's not worth 30 million.
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Kraft had to side with his couch.
Kingshmegland is right, and he certainly knows a lot about siding with his couch.
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It is spin, for sure, but it is still his decision to leave. If he is making unreasonable contract demands and the Patriots will not match them, that is not really their fault. But hey, I suspect the Bucs, who haven't won a playoff game since W. was the president, are so desperate for success that they will pay him what he wants.
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He was smart to stay out of the AFC West. I wonder if Arians will adapt his offense to fit Brady’s current abilities. Arians loves the long ball.
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It is spin, for sure, but it is still his decision to leave. If he is making unreasonable contract demands and the Patriots will not match them, that is not really their fault.
While he may have wanted something they weren't willing to give him, to think that he had unreasonable contract demands is foolish. They had an unreasonable offer, frankly.
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Gronk lives just on the other side of the wang from Tampa. Since he'll undoubtedly be announcing his un-retirement pretty soon, that puts NE in a position to trade him for OJ Howard and then some. I'm pretty cool with that. It seems to me that NE would actually have a great deal of leverage here. Tampa has tons of cap space, and it wouldn't surprise me if Gronk were a part of TB12's deal. Even if he's not right now, I don't think they could tell Brady no. Bill might well be able to get them by the short and curlies.
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I have pretty much assumed that Gronk would meet Brady elsewhere. How about Antonio Brown?
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It is spin, for sure, but it is still his decision to leave. If he is making unreasonable contract demands and the Patriots will not match them, that is not really their fault.
While he may have wanted something they weren't willing to give him, to think that he had unreasonable contract demands is foolish. They had an unreasonable offer, frankly.
He wanted something(s) they couldn't give him. Brady wanted more weapons on O, and as we've already discussed, they don't have the space to offer him much. Moreover, reports are that he wanted some control over personnel. Even if it weren't NE/Belichik/Casserio, it's still an unreasonable demand. If Tampa offered him these things then his departure is entirely on him.
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No matter what they surrounded him with, if the Pats had treated Brady the way the Saints treated Brees, he'd still be here.
I personally don't feel that Brady has been the least bit unreasonable here. And that's not to say the team isn't right either.
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I have pretty much assumed that Gronk would meet Brady elsewhere. How about Antonio Brown?
As far as I'm concerned, the more demands Tom makes of Tampa, the better. If they bring in AB I'm adding one of their other speedy receivers to the Gronk deal. :lol
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Kraft had to side with his couch.
Kingshmegland is right, and he certainly knows a lot about siding with his couch.
My couch is my life. Freudian slip I guess. Lol
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No matter what they surrounded him with, if the Pats had treated Brady the way the Saints treated Brees, he'd still be here.
I personally don't feel that Brady has been the least bit unreasonable here. And that's not to say the team isn't right either.
I'm not sure where reasonableness fits into the discussion. TB12 wanted things that NE couldn't offer. He then left. That doesn't make anybody unreasonable, and it does make it Tom's decision to split, and not NE's.
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It is spin, for sure, but it is still his decision to leave. If he is making unreasonable contract demands and the Patriots will not match them, that is not really their fault.
While he may have wanted something they weren't willing to give him, to think that he had unreasonable contract demands is foolish. They had an unreasonable offer, frankly.
He wanted something(s) they couldn't give him. Brady wanted more weapons on O, and as we've already discussed, they don't have the space to offer him much. Moreover, reports are that he wanted some control over personnel. Even if it weren't NE/Belichik/Casserio, it's still an unreasonable demand. If Tampa offered him these things then his departure is entirely on him.
What you are saying is from a reporter in the pockets of the Patriots. That was the only report about that and I know you are smart enough to get the game.
They low balled him because they didn't want him for close to 30 million with the added 13.5 million cap hit.
I've followed every reporter who has their fingers on each side. The all release info for their own spin.
It's obvious that both knew the divorce was inevitable and us fans were blinded by loyalty.
Makes for an interesting season coming up.
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It is spin, for sure, but it is still his decision to leave. If he is making unreasonable contract demands and the Patriots will not match them, that is not really their fault.
While he may have wanted something they weren't willing to give him, to think that he had unreasonable contract demands is foolish. They had an unreasonable offer, frankly.
He wanted something(s) they couldn't give him. Brady wanted more weapons on O, and as we've already discussed, they don't have the space to offer him much. Moreover, reports are that he wanted some control over personnel. Even if it weren't NE/Belichik/Casserio, it's still an unreasonable demand. If Tampa offered him these things then his departure is entirely on him.
What you are saying is from a reporter in the pockets of the Patriots. That was the only report about that and I know you are smart enough to get the game.
They low balled him because they didn't want him for close to 30 million with the added 13.5 million cap hit.
I've followed every reporter who has their fingers on each side. The all release info for their own spin.
It's obvious that both knew the divorce was inevitable and us fans were blinded by loyalty.
Makes for an interesting season coming up.
Personnel control aside, could the Patriots have given him 30 million? Even close? If I ask you for thirty million and you say "sorry, I only got about eighteen bucks on me," and I storm out in a huff, who's that on?
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Kraft had to side with his couch.
Kingshmegland is right, and he certainly knows a lot about siding with his couch.
Word.
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I'm not sure I disagree with any of the takes here, different though they may be, but at the end of the day, does it matter? Bill's going to do what Bill's going to do, and they'll be a contender. Maybe not ring number whatever this year, but I trust Bill to make good decisions. I think Bruce Arians is a good coach, but let's not beat around the bush: this is play time for Tom. Whether Gronk comes back or not, I think they're going to find that it's not that easy. He might put up some numbers, but I don't think Brady pushes the Bucs over the top right out the gate.
In two years, Brady will sign the one-day contract, retire a Patriot, and the universe will be as it always was.
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It is spin, for sure, but it is still his decision to leave. If he is making unreasonable contract demands and the Patriots will not match them, that is not really their fault.
While he may have wanted something they weren't willing to give him, to think that he had unreasonable contract demands is foolish. They had an unreasonable offer, frankly.
He wanted something(s) they couldn't give him. Brady wanted more weapons on O, and as we've already discussed, they don't have the space to offer him much. Moreover, reports are that he wanted some control over personnel. Even if it weren't NE/Belichik/Casserio, it's still an unreasonable demand. If Tampa offered him these things then his departure is entirely on him.
What you are saying is from a reporter in the pockets of the Patriots. That was the only report about that and I know you are smart enough to get the game.
They low balled him because they didn't want him for close to 30 million with the added 13.5 million cap hit.
I've followed every reporter who has their fingers on each side. The all release info for their own spin.
It's obvious that both knew the divorce was inevitable and us fans were blinded by loyalty.
Makes for an interesting season coming up.
Personnel control aside, could the Patriots have given him 30 million? Even close? If I ask you for thirty million and you say "sorry, I only got about eighteen bucks on me," and I storm out in a huff, who's that on?
No I get it. He should have had that years ago. But, guess what, someone one out there us willing.
I get why both sides came to this. I just look at the replacement and right now it lagging.
Yes, I've been extremely spoiled. But Brady isn't in control of the budget and tell me if last year was handled correctly?
I say not. It was throw a slide of baloney on the wall and hope it sticks.
It didn't.
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Kraft had to side with his couch.
Kingshmegland is right, and he certainly knows a lot about siding with his couch.
Word.
Leave my couch out of this. Lol
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Kraft had to side with his couch.
Kingshmegland is right, and he certainly knows a lot about siding with his couch.
Word.
Leave my couch out of this. Lol
YOU brought it up! :lol
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No, I didn't. My couch is an innocent bystander in my futility. :lol
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At the end of the day, Brady is simply another player who had a higher value of himself than the team did. Neither are likely wrong. It's cool. No one to blame. He didn't have to take their offer, and they didn't have to pay what he was asking. They'll reunite in Canton.
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I'm amazed it took 20 years for him to hit free agency but I get it's mostly on him. It's his age that's the issue but imagine gets a shade under 30 million in your twilight of your work history? I'd take it. Lol
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I'm amazed it took 20 years for him to hit free agency but I get it's mostly on him. It's his age that's the issue but imagine gets a shade under 30 million in your twilight of your work history? I'd take it. Lol
To his credit, he's always been a team player. He's been plugging away for 15-20 million per year for most of his career and it's paid off royally (six rings and 230 million). Compared to Dak Prescott who wouldn't sign a 34m/y contract. In TB12s case I still can't imagine leaving was about money. It hasn't mattered before and it can't possibly matter now.
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I think the narrative is now out there that Brady always took less in New England, but I don't think that was true until the latter half of his career.
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I think the narrative is now out there that Brady always took less in New England, but I don't think that was true until the latter half of his career.
Looks like the most he ever made in a year, prior to 2019, was 18-19m in 2011, which actually put him closer to Mark Sanchez than Peyton Manning, and behind Sam Bradford. This is cash earnings rather than contract money, but it still shows a seemingly modest history. (Sadly, Spotrac only makes past contracts available to premium subscribers now.)
2001 $372,160
2002 $3,878,780
2003 $9,129,700
2004 $6,004,200
2005 $12,004,180
2006 $14,004,840
2007 $12,505,160
2008 $8,001,320
2009 $8,000,000
2010 $16,500,000
2011 $19,750,000
2012 $12,000,000
2013 $13,000,000
2014 $19,000,000
2015 $13,010,663
2016 $14,774,301
2017 $15,000,000
2018 $15,000,000
2019 $23,000,000
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I'd say New England got a pretty sweet deal over the years.
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Those contracts are one of the huge reasons NE was able to win all those Super Bowls. If Brady was paid what he was worth, they would have had way less payroll flexibility and would have lost out on a lot of good players.
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I wanna see an alternate reality where teams aren't required to fill all 53 roster spots but the salary cap still exists and every team is solely comprised of however many Albert Haynesworth clones they can get for that ludicrous price he went for in Washington and the real Albert Haynesworth is the commissioner.
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Those contracts are one of the huge reasons NE was able to win all those Super Bowls. If Brady was paid what he was worth, they would have had way less payroll flexibility and would have lost out on a lot of good players.
Not picking on you, but using your post as a springboard, but "what he was worth" to whom?
Maybe I'm not looking at this the right way, but highest bidder at auction (i.e. free agency) isn't the only measure of what someone is worth, nor is cash the only way to measure compensation. Does anyone honestly think that if he signed on in 2001 with Detroit, or the Cardinals, or Dallas (I think they were last in the NFC East in 2001) that we're still talking about him today as the "GOAT"? I'm not saying he's Ryan Leaf, or that he didn't earn what we're talking about, but it's a multi-variable equation. The magic with Brady is that he was able to incorporate that thinking for 20 years, not three or four, as many other star players have.
When I worked at GE, I was in Atlanta and in Connecticut. You could make good money taking a gig in Erie, PA, or in any of 25 cities across the US - Morrison, IL or Hickory, NC or Dothan, AL, or Salem, VA - places you had to drive to or take smaller prop commuter planes. Even Plainville, CT was a decent place to get a decent salary. The dream job? NBC, in New! York! City! You got to work in Rockefeller Center! Hob nob with Conan O'Brien! Cut through Studio 8A on your way to wherever! See Tina Fey, Darrell Hammond and Seth Meyers in the elevator! And... take a 25% pay cut, even accounting for city living. Because any NBC job that opened up was flooded with applicants all over the company, and that's even assuming they weren't going to go to a seasoned candidate from a competitor (because of the industry). I think that's partly the case here. You get a legit shot at a champeenship EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
Brady is the best, no doubt, but he could walk into camp each season, and no matter how many question marks there were across the roster, he had a decent shot of getting deep in the playoffs, and at that point EVERY Super Bowl is in reach ("Any Given Sunday"). Can any other QB over that span say that?
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It is spin, for sure, but it is still his decision to leave. If he is making unreasonable contract demands and the Patriots will not match them, that is not really their fault.
While he may have wanted something they weren't willing to give him, to think that he had unreasonable contract demands is foolish. They had an unreasonable offer, frankly.
He wanted something(s) they couldn't give him. Brady wanted more weapons on O, and as we've already discussed, they don't have the space to offer him much. Moreover, reports are that he wanted some control over personnel. Even if it weren't NE/Belichik/Casserio, it's still an unreasonable demand. If Tampa offered him these things then his departure is entirely on him.
What you are saying is from a reporter in the pockets of the Patriots. That was the only report about that and I know you are smart enough to get the game.
They low balled him because they didn't want him for close to 30 million with the added 13.5 million cap hit.
I've followed every reporter who has their fingers on each side. The all release info for their own spin.
It's obvious that both knew the divorce was inevitable and us fans were blinded by loyalty.
Makes for an interesting season coming up.
Personnel control aside, could the Patriots have given him 30 million? Even close? If I ask you for thirty million and you say "sorry, I only got about eighteen bucks on me," and I storm out in a huff, who's that on?
No they couldn't. That's why they allowed him to get to free agency.
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I think the narrative is now out there that Brady always took less in New England, but I don't think that was true until the latter half of his career.
Looks like the most he ever made in a year, prior to 2019, was 18-19m in 2011, which actually put him closer to Mark Sanchez than Peyton Manning, and behind Sam Bradford. This is cash earnings rather than contract money, but it still shows a seemingly modest history. (Sadly, Spotrac only makes past contracts available to premium subscribers now.)
2001 $372,160
2002 $3,878,780
2003 $9,129,700
2004 $6,004,200
2005 $12,004,180
2006 $14,004,840
2007 $12,505,160
2008 $8,001,320
2009 $8,000,000
2010 $16,500,000
2011 $19,750,000
2012 $12,000,000
2013 $13,000,000
2014 $19,000,000
2015 $13,010,663
2016 $14,774,301
2017 $15,000,000
2018 $15,000,000
2019 $23,000,000
I'd be curious to see where his salary ranked each season compared to other QB's. That would tell the tale more, as it is hard to judge those numbers since they have gone up so much over the years in general. Plus, when you see how it dipped down a few times, that has to have been when he signed a new deal and had it set up to where the first year or two was far less than the later years.
Those contracts are one of the huge reasons NE was able to win all those Super Bowls. If Brady was paid what he was worth, they would have had way less payroll flexibility and would have lost out on a lot of good players.
Later on, yes, but early on, he was probably paid about what he was worth, as it is important to remember that Brady did not walk into the league as a great QB. He evolved over time and wasn't a great QB for the first third of his career. Yes, they were winning Super Bowls, but those were the best all-around teams the Patriots had in the Brady/Belichick era. He was a far better QB in the 2010's than he was in the 2000's.
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I think the narrative is now out there that Brady always took less in New England, but I don't think that was true until the latter half of his career.
Looks like the most he ever made in a year, prior to 2019, was 18-19m in 2011, which actually put him closer to Mark Sanchez than Peyton Manning, and behind Sam Bradford. This is cash earnings rather than contract money, but it still shows a seemingly modest history. (Sadly, Spotrac only makes past contracts available to premium subscribers now.)
2001 $372,160
2002 $3,878,780
2003 $9,129,700
2004 $6,004,200
2005 $12,004,180
2006 $14,004,840
2007 $12,505,160
2008 $8,001,320
2009 $8,000,000
2010 $16,500,000
2011 $19,750,000
2012 $12,000,000
2013 $13,000,000
2014 $19,000,000
2015 $13,010,663
2016 $14,774,301
2017 $15,000,000
2018 $15,000,000
2019 $23,000,000
I'd be curious to see where his salary ranked each season compared to other QB's. That would tell the tale more, as it is hard to judge those numbers since they have gone up so much over the years in general. Plus, when you see how it dipped down a few times, that has to have been when he signed a new deal and had it set up to where the first year or two was far less than the later years.
I only looked during his highest paid years, but he was never the top paid, and I only saw him as close as third behind Manning and Bradford. At one point he was well behind Jeff Garcia, and Dog-Killer absolutely blew him out of the contract waters one year.
Also, I'd expect it to work the opposite from that. I figured the dips are after signing a contract that paid him a huge signing bonus. Part of the issue here is that this list is career earnings per year, and not contract/cap numbers. Those are no longer available.
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Kraft had to side with his couch.
Kingshmegland is right, and he certainly knows a lot about siding with his couch.
My couch is my life. Freudian slip I guess. Lol
Slip? Probably. But it's only Freudian if you want to fuck your couch.
You couch-fucking sonofabitch.
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Kraft had to side with his couch.
Kingshmegland is right, and he certainly knows a lot about siding with his couch.
My couch is my life. Freudian slip I guess. Lol
Slip? Probably. But it's only Freudian if you want to fuck your couch.
You couch-fucking sonofabitch.
To be fair, this is his couch, so......
(https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1FiHecbys3KVjSZFnq6xFzpXag.jpg)
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Kraft had to side with his couch.
Kingshmegland is right, and he certainly knows a lot about siding with his couch.
My couch is my life. Freudian slip I guess. Lol
Slip? Probably. But it's only Freudian if you want to fuck your couch.
You couch-fucking sonofabitch.
So my teenage years? :lol
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TB to TB (trivial news)
The mayor of Buffalo, when speaking of the C-19 restrictions, told the citizens that 'bars and restaurants were limited to 'take out only', and any celebrations of Tom Brady leaving the AFC East and moving to another conference, were limited to ten people or less'. It's somewhat funny, but also was hearing of gatherings about the news, and wanted to stem the tide.
I never thought Brady would be caught dead wearing those hideous Buc uniforms. Well, they announced they are going back to the 'Pirates of Pewter pants' era. Helmet logo will remain the same size, but no more alarm clock style numbers. They'll make Tom look a little fatter, but not ridiculous.
Ravens: sad to see Hayden Hurst go to Atlanta, but they made a couple of extremely good deals to improve their defensive line. I'm really excited about what Eric DeCosta manages to do. He learned well from Ozzie Newson.
Buried amongst all the recent news was the retirement of Marshall Yanda. A big hole to fill on the OL. Eight time Pro Bowler, had a whopping four holding calls in his last 94 games! Will be the eighth player inducted into the Ring of Honor, and no doubt will be in the HOF within the first five years of eligibility.
Titans: paid waaaay too much for Tannehill. I put him in that 'Earl Morrall' category months ago. I could be proven wrong.
Are we talking about Tim Couch in this thread? So confused....
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If I was Brady, I would have made that a condition of the deal: final approval on all uniform changes. The Bucs have one of the worst uniforms in the league, if you ask me.
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The Bucs have one of the worst uniforms in the league, if you ask me.
You are a gentleman of rare insight and perspicuity.
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Teams that have won the SB, when their QB's contract was 15% or more of the their salary cap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Jq0QqK4k0
Not sure how many have reached the SB with that albatross around their neck.
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The biggest loss to NE won't be the talent. It'll be the window dressing. Players came to NE for the change to win a super bowl with Brady. That lure is gone, and suddenly players are storming the gates at Raymond James. I knew this would be the case, but it's looking a little worse than I'd thought.
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Some awfully funny Brady-related posts on various forums. From the Dolphins:
In the Brady-Belichick divorce, who gets the refs?
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Don't cry, NE, Flacco is available.......
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Some awfully funny Brady-related posts on various forums. From the Dolphins:
In the Brady-Belichick divorce, who gets the refs?
:lol
That is funny.
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Pretty up and down week for the Saints. Sean Payton tested positive for coronavirus and, pending a physical, we've addressed the biggest weakness on the team by getting a legit WR2 in Emmanuel Sanders. This is the first thing to actually have me excited about Saints football since before kickoff of the wildcard shitshow.
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A really good number 2 WR is what the Saints have long been missing, and Emmanuel Sanders is a great signing in that regard. TB will be much improved with Brady, but the Saints are still the team to beat in the South.
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The Bucs have one of the worst uniforms in the league, if you ask me.
That's the general opinion, actually.
Speaking of branding, Rams will reveal their new branding tomorrow and possibly something new from the Chargers this week too.
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A really good number 2 WR is what the Saints have long been missing, and Emmanuel Sanders is a great signing in that regard. TB will be much improved with Brady, but the Saints are still the team to beat in the South.
I almost don't want them to win the division. I feel like they've bought into the hype about them during these consecutive 13-3 seasons. I hated that they left themselves in position for the refs to steal the 2018 NFC CG from them and also they should've run the Vikings out of the dome with ease. I feel like they need to be hungry and have something to prove.
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New Rams look
(https://imagez.tmz.com/image/15/4by3/2020/03/23/159460d7cd7145a88318b8b650a98372_md.jpg)
I like the LA logo and brighter colors, rams head is too abstract. A lot of fans hate it all.
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Someone said it looks like the logo for a local TV station's 5:00 news.
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Someone said it looks like the logo for a local TV station's 5:00 news.
:tup
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Someone said it looks like the logo for a local TV station's 5:00 news.
It totally does! :lol
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This article cracked me up.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/mike-bianchi-tom-brady-welcome-to-floridas-quarterbacking-graveyard/ar-BB11EMO3?li=BBnba9I
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Chargers new wordmark and tweaked logo. Hopefully this is the end of navy for them.
(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/chargers1.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1)
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The Rams' fire sale and hideous new logo are such gratifying karma.
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This article cracked me up.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/mike-bianchi-tom-brady-welcome-to-floridas-quarterbacking-graveyard/ar-BB11EMO3?li=BBnba9I
"Memo to Tommy Terrific: It’s hard to be the man when you’re driving a minivan!"
I mean, Paul Walker did it, but it's rare.
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The Rams' fire sale and hideous new logo are such gratifying karma.
It's a good thing I like more than one team haha
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Chargers new wordmark and tweaked logo. Hopefully this is the end of navy for them.
(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/chargers1.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1)
Agreed. Their powder blue uniforms are the nicest in all of sports, and it’s baffling that they stuck with the navy for so long when everyone seems to like the alternates more.
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Granted I have never been a Chargers fan, and don't personally know many. But this thread is the first time I have ever seen anyone say they preferred the powder blue. That color is disgusting.
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Granted I have never been a Chargers fan, and don't personally know many. But this thread is the first time I have ever seen anyone say they preferred the powder blue. That color is disgusting.
Agreed.
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I really want the Bills to go back to their Levy/Kelly/Thomas/Reed/Smith-era red and blue dominant scheme. White dominant color schemes are drab as fuck.
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Granted I have never been a Chargers fan, and don't personally know many. But this thread is the first time I have ever seen anyone say they preferred the powder blue. That color is disgusting.
It is actually the preferred color of their fans. Leave the navy in SD. This blue reflects LA nicely.
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Powder blue Chargers have been #1 on a few lists I've seen and Chris Berman and Tom Jackson were gushing over it one time when I was watching them too. It has a weird cult following. I think it's dumb and looks like the set of a kids program for toddlers. Navy all the way.
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Clearly I’m a fan of the jersey (and the team for that matter lol).
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My friend is originally from San Diego, and while she's been here long enough to be a Patriots fan now, she has a powder blue jersey on her wall. It will always be her preferred color scheme.
I like both aesthetically, but in terms of being iconic, the powder blue wins.
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Granted I have never been a Chargers fan, and don't personally know many. But this thread is the first time I have ever seen anyone say they preferred the powder blue. That color is disgusting.
Agreed.
The only Charger fans I ever met were at the few Broncos v. Chargers games I've been to.
For most/all of the 90s and well into the 2000s, the biggest sports talk radio station in southern California was a station called XTRA Sports, which transmitted out of Mexico and which was based in San Diego (it's now a Spanish language station that plays Mexican music). It was the station where Jim Rome got his start. It used to be the Chargers broadcast partner, and ALL of the hosts (save for Rome) constantly gooed about the powder blue uniforms. The Chargers are now on an LA-based station, and the consensus (if not unanimous) opinion about the powder blues is the same (and I've heard the same opinion from a lot of national voices and have never before heard a negative opinion). I've always preferred the Navy, but I can understand the desire to differentiate given that they're sharing a stadium with the Rams.
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I never realized until now that they had an 11-year era with a weird shade of blue that was neither powder blue nor navy to match their helmets. That said, I like the navy helmets because it reminds me of Air Coryell and the Brees/Tomlinson era plus they went to their only Super Bowl ever with that look.
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Granted I have never been a Chargers fan, and don't personally know many. But this thread is the first time I have ever seen anyone say they preferred the powder blue. That color is disgusting.
Powder blue is the ONLY color I have ever heard preferred for the chargers.
Disgusting? I don't get that. I mean it's not the Tampa Bay color scheme (ANY Tampa Bay color scheme).
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/11-year-old-bucs-fan-who-proved-tom-brady-is-a-cheater-softens-stance-it-was-more-on-bill-belichick/ar-BB11Yved?li=BBnba9I
I thought this was cute.
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The Rams' fire sale and hideous new logo are such gratifying karma.
Karma for what? The ref's fucking up? :lol
New Rams look
(https://imagez.tmz.com/image/15/4by3/2020/03/23/159460d7cd7145a88318b8b650a98372_md.jpg)
I like the LA logo and brighter colors, rams head is too abstract. A lot of fans hate it all.
Yeah, most of us hate both logos. I can live with the Rams head and the LA RAMS, but the "LA" primary sucks balls. We can only hope the merchandise sales backlash is so bad they will have to come up with an answer. At least they got the colors right!
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The Rams' fire sale and hideous new logo are such gratifying karma.
Karma for what? The ref's fucking up? :lol
Karma for their oxygen thief thug player bragging about blindsiding a 5'7" 165 lb. completely defenseless receiver and other players of theirs congratulating him and hamming it up when the dude's career could've gotten ended on something like that. Given how small Tommylee Lewis is, it's like a senior bragging about sneaking a freshman but worse since Tommylee Lewis is actually about the size of a high school freshman and the other dude's probably bigger than a typical senior.
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The Rams' fire sale and hideous new logo are such gratifying karma.
Karma for what? The ref's fucking up? :lol
Karma for their oxygen thief thug player bragging about blindsiding a 5'7" 165 lb. completely defenseless receiver and other players of theirs congratulating him and hamming it up when the dude's career could've gotten ended on something like that. Given how small Tommylee Lewis is, it's like a senior bragging about sneaking a freshman but worse since Tommylee Lewis is actually about the size of a high school freshman and the other dude's probably bigger than a typical senior.
I Never heard a word about him bragging or saw team members hamming it up and I follow the Rams probably more than anyone here. NRC surely didn't purposely head hunt him, it was just PI. It was a football play he shoulda been flagged on, blame the Refs for not calling it. I also wouldn't call it a blindside hit seeing he was in the receivers face.
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Karma for their oxygen thief thug player bragging about blindsiding a 5'7" 165 lb. completely defenseless receiver and other players of theirs congratulating him and hamming it up when the dude's career could've gotten ended on something like that. Given how small Tommylee Lewis is, it's like a senior bragging about sneaking a freshman but worse since Tommylee Lewis is actually about the size of a high school freshman and the other dude's probably bigger than a typical senior.
If that was the Rams karma, I guess all of these crushing Saints playoff losses is their karma for Bountygate, right? :P
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The Rams' fire sale and hideous new logo are such gratifying karma.
Karma for what? The ref's fucking up? :lol
Karma for their oxygen thief thug player bragging about blindsiding a 5'7" 165 lb. completely defenseless receiver and other players of theirs congratulating him and hamming it up when the dude's career could've gotten ended on something like that. Given how small Tommylee Lewis is, it's like a senior bragging about sneaking a freshman but worse since Tommylee Lewis is actually about the size of a high school freshman and the other dude's probably bigger than a typical senior.
I Never heard a word about him bragging or saw team members hamming it up and I follow the Rams probably more than anyone here. NRC surely didn't purposely head hunt him, it was just PI. It was a football play he shoulda been flagged on, blame the Refs for not calling it. I also wouldn't call it a blindside hit seeing he was in the receivers face.
Be biased if you want but you just look bad when you say stuff like "I Never heard a word about him bragging or saw team members hamming it up and I follow the Rams probably more than anyone here. NRC surely didn't purposely head hunt him" when stuff like this exists.
https://www.wafb.com/2019/01/23/ram-nickell-robey-coleman-brags-about-infamous-no-call/ (https://www.wafb.com/2019/01/23/ram-nickell-robey-coleman-brags-about-infamous-no-call/)
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Karma for their oxygen thief thug player bragging about blindsiding a 5'7" 165 lb. completely defenseless receiver and other players of theirs congratulating him and hamming it up when the dude's career could've gotten ended on something like that. Given how small Tommylee Lewis is, it's like a senior bragging about sneaking a freshman but worse since Tommylee Lewis is actually about the size of a high school freshman and the other dude's probably bigger than a typical senior.
If that was the Rams karma, I guess all of these crushing Saints playoff losses is their karma for Bountygate, right? :P
The refs were right there in all the games and could've called any penalties where they saw fit if they wanted to. People love to flaunt ignorance and single out the Saints but in 8 years no one has ever posted a link to a single play that they consider part of it. If you wanna make that quip, then please show me something of substance. Otherwise, it's also hilarious how no one ever said word one about Buddy Ryan straight up admitting to it in an interview and also how the bodybag game is held in slightly fond regard in NFL lore depending on who you talk to.
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Be biased if you want but you just look bad when you say stuff like "I Never heard a word about him bragging or saw team members hamming it up and I follow the Rams probably more than anyone here. NRC surely didn't purposely head hunt him" when stuff like this exists.
https://www.wafb.com/2019/01/23/ram-nickell-robey-coleman-brags-about-infamous-no-call/ (https://www.wafb.com/2019/01/23/ram-nickell-robey-coleman-brags-about-infamous-no-call/)
Yeah, never saw that but there it is. That being said, all he is saying is he "Smacked his ass" I see that as a statement of "yeah... it was PI and I fucking got away with it". How many times have you seen a PI call or non-call where the DB throws his hands back as if to say.."I didn't do shit!" full well knowing he's guilty? It's football for fucks sake. Was it a "Dirty" play" No.. it was a penalty that wasn't called. Back to my original "Karma" point... blame the Zebras for the non-call and I and most ALL Rams fans won't disagree with you. I really don't wanna bring up Bountygate. Everyone knows what's what and if Sain't fans want to be in denial, then so be it. Using Buddy Ryan's tactics/mentality as a justification doesn't work IMO. I HATED it when we took on that POS Williams as a DC and If one of my teams (In any sport...YEAH...Looking at you Astros!) got caught behaving like that I would be seriously bummed to say the least.
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He was bragging plain as day but hold on to your fandom if you want. Also, you're gonna try to act like he did something noble by not denying it and comparing it to others that deny it even though he did what you're talking about AFTER the game and not during it? There is a serious lack of apples-to-apples in your arguments. And I never used Buddy Ryan as a justification. I used him to point out how blatantly hypocritical every one of y'all are whom try to throw the bounty thing in Saints fans' faces because none of y'all cared one atom about it when Ryan was doing it but once it became a way to take down a top-tier conference rival everyone jumped on that story. Also, it says everything you need to know that none of y'all can pull up a single play that corroborates your dirty play accusations.
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Karma for their oxygen thief thug player bragging about blindsiding a 5'7" 165 lb. completely defenseless receiver and other players of theirs congratulating him and hamming it up when the dude's career could've gotten ended on something like that. Given how small Tommylee Lewis is, it's like a senior bragging about sneaking a freshman but worse since Tommylee Lewis is actually about the size of a high school freshman and the other dude's probably bigger than a typical senior.
If that was the Rams karma, I guess all of these crushing Saints playoff losses is their karma for Bountygate, right? :P
The refs were right there in all the games and could've called any penalties where they saw fit if they wanted to. People love to flaunt ignorance and single out the Saints but in 8 years no one has ever posted a link to a single play that they consider part of it. If you wanna make that quip, then please show me something of substance. Otherwise, it's also hilarious how no one ever said word one about Buddy Ryan straight up admitting to it in an interview and also how the bodybag game is held in slightly fond regard in NFL lore depending on who you talk to.
It was a playful jab, man. Jeez, dial it down a little. You seem mad about everything in this thread lately. ???
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Sorry dude. It's honestly kind of hard to tell, even with the emoji, since people sometimes use those passive aggressively. I'm not saying you employ that kind of passive aggressiveness but I'm just saying it's an easy thing to misunderstand, for me, since that's become the de facto, rub-it-in comeback in virtually every sports argument I've had where either the Saints were involved or ended up being thrown into the argument over the last 8 years.
If there were actually any merit to the bounty thing, then I'd probably be less annoyed by it but as I said earlier everyone reaches for it like some kind of trump card while never linking any videos to back it up so the end result is basically like someone's saying "I don't even care to have a legit debate."
Again, all of the above is explaining why I sometimes react to that the way I do and not in any way trying to pass the blame for my misunderstanding back to you, Kev.
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Sorry dude. It's honestly kind of hard to tell, even with the emoji, since people sometimes use those passive aggressively. I'm not saying you employ that kind of passive aggressiveness but I'm just saying it's an easy thing to misunderstand, for me, since that's become the de facto, rub-it-in comeback in virtually every sports argument I've had where either the Saints were involved or ended up being thrown into the argument over the last 8 years.
If there were actually any merit to the bounty thing, then I'd probably be less annoyed by it but as I said earlier everyone reaches for it like some kind of trump card while never linking any videos to back it up so the end result is basically like someone's saying "I don't even care to have a legit debate."
Again, all of the above is explaining why I sometimes react to that the way I do and not in any way trying to pass the blame for my misunderstanding back to you, Kev.
All good! :tup :tup
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So am I the only one that thinks the league is going to wait until the night before the draft to announce they're taking NE's first rounder over this Spygate II nonsense?
Also, surprised there's been no discussion over the XFL quietly folding. Honestly, CV19 was probably a blessing to Vince McMahon. He had to know it didn't work out like he'd hoped, and he'd already committed to keeping it on life-support for a few years. This gave him an easy out.
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Also, surprised there's been no discussion over the XFL quietly folding.
There was little discussion about it when it was alive, why would there be much when it is dead? :p
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Also, surprised there's been no discussion over the XFL quietly folding.
There was little discussion about it when it was alive, why would there be much when it is dead? :p
:lol
I just feel like it was inevitable with or without the virus.
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Chargers unveiled their new uniforms.
(https://i0.wp.com/footballscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Chargers-uniforms.jpeg?resize=696%2C390&ssl=1)
Best uniforms in the league just got even better. I absolutely LOVE the return of the numbers on the helmets, and they did a great job of fusing the classic look with the modern style. Hoping more Bolts games get air on national television this season so this New Yorker can see these unis in action more.
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I can absolutely do without the all blue ones, but the others nail it. Oops, just looked closer. They should have numbers on the sleeves (I've never liked shoulder numbers with a shoulder stripe). New England just did the same. Guess the Nike logo is more important
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Chargers unveiled their new uniforms.
(https://i0.wp.com/footballscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Chargers-uniforms.jpeg?resize=696%2C390&ssl=1)
Best uniforms in the league just got even better. I absolutely LOVE the return of the numbers on the helmets, and they did a great job of fusing the classic look with the modern style. Hoping more Bolts games get air on national television this season so this New Yorker can see these unis in action more.
So is that supposed to be Natrone Means?
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn1.sbnation.com%2Fimported_assets%2F189117%2F1017_large_medium.jpg&hash=66e89fa6c277175453d0581d1c766ce684ef61d4)
Not sure why they'd need six different uniforms. From left to right, #1 and #4 are ok. I don't care for the yellow pants (#2 and #3) and really don't like #5. #6 is ok only because it's black, but why a black uniform (or is that dark navy)?
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There's a protocol for the uniforms but for the life of me I can't remember what it is. I think unlike baseball - which is traditionally "white" for home, "gray" for the road - there's a home blue, away blue, home white, and away white. I am an old man - get off my lawn! - so I can only assume the two blues are home/away for the Thursday night spectacle (I take #6 as dark navy).
Generally, though, I love those uniforms. They're top three or four in the league if you ask me.
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Wow, who could have seen this coming.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2887811-report-rob-gronkowski-told-patriots-he-wants-trade-to-bucs-tom-brady-reunion
A fourth round pick? Really? NE had so much leverage here. They couldn't have gotten a good receiver out of this deal? Or at least a number two?
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I could see a swap where NE gets OJ Howard, who still has a lot of potential, but seems to have worn out his welcome in TB.
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I could see a swap where NE gets OJ Howard, who still has a lot of potential, but seems to have worn out his welcome in TB.
That's the obvious move, but I figure Brady is pretty keen to have two solid TEs. Still, this just seems like a charity move on NE's part.
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Looks like the deal is all but done.
Belichick just got a 4th round pick for a retired player who is currently a title-holder in the WWE. :lol :lol
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The only way this makes sense is if the Bucks are looking to move Brate instead of Howard. Brate will cost 7m against the cap, and Tampa is barely in a better position than NE to pay that. Even then you should still be able to work out a better deal. I understand NE wanted to do right by Gronk, though I'm not entirely sure he deserves it, but I think they had a lot more leverage against Tampa than they figured. If they demanded a No. 2 for Gronk would Brady toe the "he's not worth it" corporate line? Would Licht tell TB12 to StFU and play quarterback?
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Gronkowski has to be looked at as damaged goods, with a year off, lost weight. I can't think of anything else.
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I dunno; I think there's "message" in what New England did. We can just debate what that message is. In any event, they traded up a 7th for a 4th. Gronk was never going to play for New England, so there's no loss "on the field". I don't know if as a retiree there are any cap implications for New England.
And the message is either:
- No hard feelings, boys, this is best for all of us; we're here when you DO retire for good, and we have a cap waiting for when you get inducted in Canton; or
- You fucking idiots aren't gum on the bottom of my shoe. You're only WORTH a fourth rounder. Let's see how all that Masked Singer, beer cruising and wrestling prepared you for a non-New England system, you moron. Or something to that effect. ;) :)
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I'm surprised he came out of retirement. I saw an interview recently where he said he retired because of concussion induced symptoms. Headaches, depression. He said it took him a year after he retired to feel back to normal.
I just hope we have a season.
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At the end of the day this is certainly a win for NE. Like Kev said, they got a 4 for a retired wrestler. I can't help but see a great deal of lost opportunity cost. I just can't imagine that a 4 is as much as Brady/Tampa would be willing to part with. The reports are that NE simply had no leverage. I think they had no leverage against anybody but Tampa.
From a cap standpoint this is problematic for Tampa, and has no repercussions against NE. Here's something I'm curious about, though. From what I gather if Gronk had announced his unretirement before departing the team, NE would have suddenly been ~9 in the hole. I have to wonder if the team has some sort of out for such a situation "hey, the fucker retired!" or if they're stuck with it. I also have to wonder if that ever came up in the negotiations. It's not inconceivable that Gronk had a massive amount of leverage going to NE and demanding a trade: "Either ship me off or I stay here and wreck your cap."
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I'm surprised he came out of retirement. I saw an interview recently where he said he retired because of concussion induced symptoms. Headaches, depression. He said it took him a year after he retired to feel back to normal.
I just hope we have a season.
Nah, there's no surprise. He couldn't come out and state he didn't want to play for Belichick.
I do think Gronk needed a mental and physical break, and I was kind of surprised he played the last year that he did.
The fact that Gronk was going to join Brady wherever Brady went, was it me, a fait accompli.
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I'm surprised he came out of retirement. I saw an interview recently where he said he retired because of concussion induced symptoms. Headaches, depression. He said it took him a year after he retired to feel back to normal.
I just hope we have a season.
Nah, there's no surprise. He couldn't come out and state he didn't want to play for Belichick.
I do think Gronk needed a mental and physical break, and I was kind of surprised he played the last year that he did.
The fact that Gronk was going to join Brady wherever Brady went, was it me, a fait accompli.
That to me is the biggest part of it, and it's obvious that's what his problem was. Personally, it makes me question his character. He seems to be of the Cassius Marsh frame of mind.
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He did allude to it over and over. Just didn't bold face come out and say it at the time.
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I'll have to google Cassius March, but yes, he had basically been saying informally it for a couple of years before he quit.
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At the end of the day this is certainly a win for NE. Like Kev said, they got a 4 for a retired wrestler. I can't help but see a great deal of lost opportunity cost. I just can't imagine that a 4 is as much as Brady/Tampa would be willing to part with. The reports are that NE simply had no leverage. I think they had no leverage against anybody but Tampa.
From a cap standpoint this is problematic for Tampa, and has no repercussions against NE. Here's something I'm curious about, though. From what I gather if Gronk had announced his unretirement before departing the team, NE would have suddenly been ~9 in the hole. I have to wonder if the team has some sort of out for such a situation "hey, the fucker retired!" or if they're stuck with it. I also have to wonder if that ever came up in the negotiations. It's not inconceivable that Gronk had a massive amount of leverage going to NE and demanding a trade: "Either ship me off or I stay here and wreck your cap."
From what I read, Gronk did NE a favor. Supposedly, once a player lets the league know in official terms that he is returning from retirement, his team has 48 hours to activate him. The Patriots wouldn't have been able to activate him without freeing up $8 million plus in additional cap space, which they don't have, meaning they would have had to release him and would have got nothing for him.
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I follow the Seahawks and I had to google him.
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On an unrelated note, I notice "Cassius Marsh" is trending on Google. :) :) ;)
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At the end of the day this is certainly a win for NE. Like Kev said, they got a 4 for a retired wrestler. I can't help but see a great deal of lost opportunity cost. I just can't imagine that a 4 is as much as Brady/Tampa would be willing to part with. The reports are that NE simply had no leverage. I think they had no leverage against anybody but Tampa.
From a cap standpoint this is problematic for Tampa, and has no repercussions against NE. Here's something I'm curious about, though. From what I gather if Gronk had announced his unretirement before departing the team, NE would have suddenly been ~9 in the hole. I have to wonder if the team has some sort of out for such a situation "hey, the fucker retired!" or if they're stuck with it. I also have to wonder if that ever came up in the negotiations. It's not inconceivable that Gronk had a massive amount of leverage going to NE and demanding a trade: "Either ship me off or I stay here and wreck your cap."
From what I read, Gronk did NE a favor. Supposedly, once a player lets the league know in official terms that he is returning from retirement, his team has 48 hours to activate him. The Patriots wouldn't have been able to activate him without freeing up $8 million plus in additional cap space, which they don't have, meaning they would have had to release him and would have got nothing for him.
And teams know that so a 4th round is reasonable with that short of time to work with.
Not surprised that the players and their agents know this as well to force the issue.
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At the end of the day this is certainly a win for NE. Like Kev said, they got a 4 for a retired wrestler. I can't help but see a great deal of lost opportunity cost. I just can't imagine that a 4 is as much as Brady/Tampa would be willing to part with. The reports are that NE simply had no leverage. I think they had no leverage against anybody but Tampa.
From a cap standpoint this is problematic for Tampa, and has no repercussions against NE. Here's something I'm curious about, though. From what I gather if Gronk had announced his unretirement before departing the team, NE would have suddenly been ~9 in the hole. I have to wonder if the team has some sort of out for such a situation "hey, the fucker retired!" or if they're stuck with it. I also have to wonder if that ever came up in the negotiations. It's not inconceivable that Gronk had a massive amount of leverage going to NE and demanding a trade: "Either ship me off or I stay here and wreck your cap."
From what I read, Gronk did NE a favor. Supposedly, once a player lets the league know in official terms that he is returning from retirement, his team has 48 hours to activate him. The Patriots wouldn't have been able to activate him without freeing up $8 million plus in additional cap space, which they don't have, meaning they would have had to release him and would have got nothing for him.
That seems woefully unbalanced to me. If you're the one to put your contract on hold by retiring then you shouldn't be able to use that contract to get your team by the balls a year later. You say he did NE a favor. If he let the team know that he would be doing this I'd call that a A++ sandbagging.
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I'd love to know MMs thoughts on all the goings on with New England.
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I love the whole Chargers new look, logos, smileys, etc. Not a fan of the color rush unis but love the rest. Now we await the Rams uniform disaster.
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Pleased with the Fins draft. If Tua can stay healthy.
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Packer fans are rioting after the pick of Jordan Love.
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Packer fans are rioting after the pick of Jordan Love.
I'm curious, what was the Packers fans reaction when they took Aaron Rodgers with Brett Favre still on the team?
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Packer fans are rioting after the pick of Jordan Love.
Colin Cowherd has been predicting that pick for the last two months. He is going to be a little smug today. :lol :lol
I loved the Jerry Jeudy pick by the Broncos. All reports say he is a great route runner, which is always a good thing with a WR.
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Packer fans are rioting after the pick of Jordan Love.
At least Aaron Rogers is adult and pragmatic enough to understand it's a necessity, and won't likely pout like a child as a result. ;)
(And I'm a fan of the man; but he has a thin skin.)
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Packer fans are rioting after the pick of Jordan Love.
I'm curious, what was the Packers fans reaction when they took Aaron Rodgers with Brett Favre still on the team?
It’s easy to compare, but it isn’t the same.
Favre was already starting his “I don’t know how much longer I’ll play” routine at this point. Rodgers fell in the draft (was talked about going first overall). Packers didn’t trade up to get Rodgers, which they did for Love. Rodgers had a much better collegiate career. Love’s ceiling “may” be high, but his floor is much lower than Rodgers would have ever been.
For a team that was a game away from the Super Bowl and have obvious needs on defense and WR, it’s a mind boggling decision for sure.
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There was a decent amount of talk here that the Pats would take Love, but instead they traded out of the round. That's a pretty big tell, if you ask me.
Also, anyone catch Goodell's sign off ("keep those boo's coming!"). It could have been a great, tongue-in-cheek, self-awareness moment, but in my opinion, sounded bitter and dry. But that's me; I'm not a huge Goodell fan.
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Packer fans are rioting after the pick of Jordan Love.
At least Aaron Rogers is adult and pragmatic enough to understand it's a necessity, and won't likely pout like a child as a result. ;)
Indeed. Now being unable to get him a decent weapon isn't going to sit well with him at all. On top of that, I can't imagine he's going to be any more helpful in getting Love ready to play than Favre was with him.
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Baltimore drafts Patrick Queen. Geaux, Ravens!
My wife and I will have to get a jersey to go with our Queen tee shirts. I'll assume he won't be wearing #8 here as he did at LSU ;)
GODell is an axle.
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Packer fans are rioting after the pick of Jordan Love.
I'm curious, what was the Packers fans reaction when they took Aaron Rodgers with Brett Favre still on the team?
It’s easy to compare, but it isn’t the same.
Favre was already starting his “I don’t know how much longer I’ll play” routine at this point. Rodgers fell in the draft (was talked about going first overall). Packers didn’t trade up to get Rodgers, which they did for Love. Rodgers had a much better collegiate career. Love’s ceiling “may” be high, but his floor is much lower than Rodgers would have ever been.
For a team that was a game away from the Super Bowl and have obvious needs on defense and WR, it’s a mind boggling decision for sure.
Yeah, I thought that was really odd.
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Happy with the Patriots' draft so far. Still baffled by the Packers. Patriots' first three picks were quintessential Belichick guys. A safety that can play close to the line or cover TEs, and an edge defender that can play the line, inside, and outside LB. Also great value for where they were selected. Later on a TE than can play H-back and fullback. The kicker kind of surprised me since he was one nobody had ever heard of, but watching his combine video he was surprisingly accurate up to the mid 50s. Didn't start closing on the goalposts until around 60 and didn't miss until 61. Plus, coming from Marshall, Belichick probably has the scoop on where his head's at and whether or not he's prone to choking.
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I hope he's not a quintessential Belichick pick because it seems every D-back he's ever taken in the 2nd round has been a bust.
Hopefully it was actually the dog that picked.
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initial grade for the Packers draft...... D+
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I hope he's not a quintessential Belichick pick because it seems every D-back he's ever taken in the 2nd round has been a bust.
Hopefully it was actually the dog that picked.
I don't put much stock in superstition. He's a very versatile strong safety and he's a solid punt returner. He's got a good head on his shoulders and wants to be coached, which he'll get playing behind Chung for a year or two. Very high upside.
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I get that it's fun to rate and judge drafts in the immediate aftermath, but the reality of course is that we won't know for years how good a team's draft was.
What if Aaron Rodgers breaks his leg this year and Jordan Love comes in and shines as a rookie and leads to the Packers to a Super Bowl win? All of a sudden the Packers draft would get an A+.
Heck, look at my Broncos. Many are raving about all of the weapons Elway got for Drew Lock, but what if they all bust? It won't look so good all of a sudden.
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What if Aaron Rodgers breaks his leg this year and Jordan Love comes in and shines as a rookie and leads to the Packers to a Super Bowl win? All of a sudden the Packers draft would get an A+.
Hah, they should be so lucky. The problem is if Rogers doesn't break his leg. The far more likely outcome. We al know we're going to be reading a SI article in a few years describing how Rogers became a brooding malcontent and Love kept finding week old trout in his locker.
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Gronk is going to have to start hitting the juice again hard. He’s slimmed way down.
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All I know is my Cowboys had one hell of a draft! :metal
It was the perfect balance of taking the best player available vs. addressing their needs.
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What if Aaron Rodgers breaks his leg this year and Jordan Love comes in and shines as a rookie and leads to the Packers to a Super Bowl win? All of a sudden the Packers draft would get an A+.
Hah, they should be so lucky. The problem is if Rogers doesn't break his leg. The far more likely outcome. We al know we're going to be reading a SI article in a few years describing how Rogers became a brooding malcontent and Love kept finding week old trout in his locker.
I fully expect that to be the case. Rodgers has been very much a pouter the last few years, but it's gonna be even worse now. His team went 13-3 last year and were a game away from the Super Bowl, yet he looked miserable all season (relative to his usual resting bitch face self).
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Heck, look at my Broncos. Many are raving about all of the weapons Elway got for Drew Lock, but what if they all bust? It won't look so good all of a sudden.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: all the weapons in the world won't do much without the ability to protect the QB.
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initial grade for the Packers draft...... D+
From what I've been reading, they drafted for the future because while they drafted good players, they are players that can help win down the road. I think they're planning for life without Aaron Rodgers.
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initial grade for the Packers draft...... D+
From what I've been reading, they drafted for the future because while they drafted good players, they are players that can help win down the road. I think they're planning for life without Aaron Rodgers.
I disagree completely. You don’t plan for the future when you were one game away from going to the Super Bowl.
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Agreed, and if I may quote Colin Cowherd again, how a team drafts lets you know what they think of their team and/or, in this situation, their QB.
Same with Philly. I know a lot of Eagles fans lost their minds over them taking a QB in the 2nd round, but maybe they wouldn't have felt compelled to do so if Carson Wentz could ever finish a season.
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Same with Philly. I know a lot of Eagles fans lost their minds over them taking a QB in the 2nd round, but maybe they wouldn't have felt compelled to do so if Carson Wentz could ever finish a season.
Plus, according to Schefter, Wentz may get coronavirus. :facepalm:
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Agreed, and if I may quote Colin Cowherd again...
NO YOU MAY NOT!
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Agreed, and if I may quote Colin Cowherd again, how a team drafts lets you know what they think of their team and/or, in this situation, their QB.
Same with Philly. I know a lot of Eagles fans lost their minds over them taking a QB in the 2nd round, but maybe they wouldn't have felt compelled to do so if Carson Wentz could ever finish a season.
I'd gladly trade drafts with Philly.
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Might be done with the NFL now. After the 2018 fuckover and the questionable call to end last year's wildcard game, I was only content to drag myself through this shit to see Drew's final season but I now have a very strong disdain for them for bringing in crableg rapist. It's bad enough we had Sharper during the Super Bowl season but it's way worse knowing that your team is knowingly paying a very-likely rapist.
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initial grade for the Packers draft...... D+
From what I've been reading, they drafted for the future because while they drafted good players, they are players that can help win down the road. I think they're planning for life without Aaron Rodgers.
I disagree completely. You don’t plan for the future when you were one game away from going to the Super Bowl.
Oh yes you DO plan for the future, even when your one game away from the big dance. The Pack went from Favre to Rodgers and it's why they been so competitive for how many years? Rodgers has 2 years tops with the Packers. Now I don't know much about Jordan Love but it's telling that they moved up to get him.
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I think you do plan, but that doesn't mean that "planning" is easy, or agreed-upon with the rest of the team. We have reason to believe that there was a friction between Brady and the Patriots' "plan" (Jimmy G., though as time goes on, I suspect that if Jimmy G really was considered the next coming of Brady, they'd have found a way), and in my humble opinion, Aaron Rodgers is emotionally less mature than Brady. I think you plan, but I think THIS plan is not going to sit well with the guy that effectively ran off the last coach because he didn't like the way he planned/called a game (I mean that broadly).
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So, I just saw the bit with Belichick's dog at the table. That was awesome.
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So, I just saw the bit with Belichick's dog at the table. That was awesome.
I got a chuckle out of that too. It seemed so fitting. :biggrin:
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initial grade for the Packers draft...... D+
From what I've been reading, they drafted for the future because while they drafted good players, they are players that can help win down the road. I think they're planning for life without Aaron Rodgers.
The Packers haven’t drafted a skill position player in the first round in 15 years. What a giant middle finger to Rodgers.
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The Packers haven’t drafted a skill position player in the first round in 15 years. What a giant middle finger to Rodgers.
And let's not forget how awful their defenses have been for the majority of his starting career. It's sad that he will ultimately take the heat if he ends up only winning one Super Bowl (remember when a QB winning A Super Bowl was the benchmark??), but such is life as a star QB in the 21st century.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29112995/alex-smith-comeback-fight-save-qb-leg-life
Holy shit I didn't realize it was this bad for him!
(https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2020%2F0430%2Fr694186_2000x1123cc.jpg&w=570&format=jpg)
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29112995/alex-smith-comeback-fight-save-qb-leg-life
Holy shit I didn't realize it was this bad for him!
(https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2020%2F0430%2Fr694186_2000x1123cc.jpg&w=570&format=jpg)
That was heartbreaking to read. I’ve been a fan of Alex Smith for a while now, and knowing how bad this injury actually was is really difficult to handle. I had to stop reading towards the end because I was actually starting to cry.
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RIP Don Shula.
The Dolphins were my second favorite team as a kid in the 80's. Damn shame Marino never won a Super Bowl.
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Wow that was a heavy story about Alex's ordeal. That's one tough man right there.
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RIP Don Shula.
The Dolphins were my second favorite team as a kid in the 80's. Damn shame Marino never won a Super Bowl.
Shula's best years were before I started watching, but he was a legend. R.I.P.
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Don Shula had some good years in Baltimore .
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Don Shula had some good years in Baltimore .
He had a better winning percentage in his 7 seasons with the Colts than he did in his 26 seasons with the Dolphins.
Only TWO losing seasons in 33 as a head coach (also had three .500 seasons).
First head coach to coach in 4 Super Bowls (4 of the first 8).
You could probably win more bar bets than you'd lose with the fact that he was the losing coach in the Jets' Super Bowl 3 upset.
Legend.
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Don Shula had some good years in Baltimore .
He had a better winning percentage in his 7 seasons with the Colts than he did in his 26 seasons with the Dolphins.
Only TWO losing seasons in 33 as a head coach (also had three .500 seasons).
First head coach to coach in 4 Super Bowls (4 of the first 8).
You could probably win more bar bets than you'd lose with the fact that he was the losing coach in the Jets' Super Bowl 3 upset.
Legend.
Coached a championship game against both New York teams.
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To think that Shula, Unitas, Gino Marchetti and Alan Ameche all lived in my community at the same time.
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Don Shula had some good years in Baltimore .
He had a better winning percentage in his 7 seasons with the Colts than he did in his 26 seasons with the Dolphins.
Only TWO losing seasons in 33 as a head coach (also had three .500 seasons).
First head coach to coach in 4 Super Bowls (4 of the first 8).
You could probably win more bar bets than you'd lose with the fact that he was the losing coach in the Jets' Super Bowl 3 upset.
Legend.
Coached a championship game against both New York teams.
Both New York teams? Don't the Giants count?
Anyway...I assume you're talking about SB3 against the Jets and the 1993 AFC Championship Game against the Bills. Despite the name, the post-merger AFC and NFC conference "championship games" aren't true championship games since the real champion is the winner of the Super Bowl
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Don Shula had some good years in Baltimore .
He had a better winning percentage in his 7 seasons with the Colts than he did in his 26 seasons with the Dolphins.
Only TWO losing seasons in 33 as a head coach (also had three .500 seasons).
First head coach to coach in 4 Super Bowls (4 of the first 8).
You could probably win more bar bets than you'd lose with the fact that he was the losing coach in the Jets' Super Bowl 3 upset.
Legend.
Coached a championship game against both New York teams.
Both New York teams? Don't the Giants count?
Anyway...I assume you're talking about SB3 against the Jets and the 1993 AFC Championship Game against the Bills. Despite the name, the post-merger AFC and NFC conference "championship games" aren't true championship games since the real champion is the winner of the Super Bowl
I meant both NYC teams who actually played in the city they’re named for at the time.
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I meant both NYC teams who actually played in the city they’re named for at the time.
OK, but I saw no indication that Shula ever coached in a championship game against the Giants.
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This is fun to watch. Jokes and needling all over this video.
Tiger, Phil, Tom & Peyton. Peyton killed me with the Florida talk.
https://youtu.be/ONOTl3nbXOE
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I meant both NYC teams who actually played in the city they’re named for at the time.
OK, but I saw no indication that Shula ever coached in a championship game against the Giants.
I looked too, and I don't think he did. He even missed out as a player, having been waived by the Colts in '56; the Colts and Gints played in the Championship Game two years running in '58 and '59 (the '58 game was the legendary "Greatest Game Ever Played" game). Shula had no part of those games, as far as I know.
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I meant both NYC teams who actually played in the city they’re named for at the time.
OK, but I saw no indication that Shula ever coached in a championship game against the Giants.
I looked too, and I don't think he did. He even missed out as a player, having been waived by the Colts in '56; the Colts and Gints played in the Championship Game two years running in '58 and '59 (the '58 game was the legendary "Greatest Game Ever Played" game). Shula had no part of those games, as far as I know.
Oh I just looked it up. It was Weeb Ewbank. Idk how I fucked that up since he also coached my Jets to their Super Bowl III upset.
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Also a great coach (though not at Shula's level, IMO) and father of the second greatest game show host of all time, Bob (no he's not; it's Eubanks, but I thought it was funny).
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NFL schedules were released yesterday. Here's my preseason:
Week 1: Raiders @ Seahawks
Week 2: Rams @ Chargers
Week 3: Chargers @ Seahawks
Week 4: Rams @ Raiders
:metal I know they don't mean nothing, but it'll be fun to watch.
Raiders are also hosting Arizona. I sent them a tweet to do this after they made the LV name official. That could be a new rivalry and a good crowd.
I also got three of my teams playing in Miami during the season. I love that stadium.
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After a couple of years of getting off light, the Patriot's schedule is brutal. Early bye, a three game road stretch at the end of the season, and six games against playoff teams.
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Man oh man, the NFL must love the Chiefs. Their toughest road games against colder weather teams are all early in the season before it gets cold, and their road games against teams in really warm climates are later in the season when it won't be so hot.
Note: I don't actually think there is a conspiracy. It just looks odd.
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Sometimes it just lines up that way.
After a couple of years of getting off light, the Patriot's schedule is brutal. Early bye, a three game road stretch at the end of the season, and six games against playoff teams.
No excuses for them. Get it done.
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A reminder of what incredible athletes pro football players. Even though offensive linemen are the WORST athletes on the field, recently retired Joe Thomas just won the Dwayne Johnson sponsored Titan Games. I thought it was cool anyway.
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A reminder of what incredible athletes pro football players. Even though offensive linemen are the WORST athletes on the field, recently retired Joe Thomas just won the Dwayne Johnson sponsored Titan Games. I thought it was cool anyway.
Worst? What do you base that on?
Also, Joe Thomas is one of the greatest OL in the last 20 years.
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Drew Brees making friends today I see. Best of luck to him if they play football this year.
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He's a bum. Between his bullshit today and his backup probably being a rapist, I'm probably done with them.
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Might have to go back to the Falcons as my favorite NFC South team. Shame because on the field Drew Brees is my all time favorite QB.
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Might have to go back to the Falcons as my favorite NFC South team. Shame because on the field Drew Brees is my all time favorite QB.
What? No Tampa Bay? :lol
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Drew Brees making friends today I see. Best of luck to him if they play football this year.
He’ll be fine. He has enough goodwill in the bank, and what he said wasn’t even offensive. Some will hold it against him, sure, but that’s life in 2020.
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Drew Brees making friends today I see. Best of luck to him if they play football this year.
He’ll be fine. He has enough goodwill in the bank, and what he said wasn’t even offensive. Some will hold it against him, sure, but that’s life in 2020.
There's more animosity over PSI in footballs than to Drew Brees. LOL
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Drew Brees making friends today I see. Best of luck to him if they play football this year.
He’ll be fine. He has enough goodwill in the bank, and what he said wasn’t even offensive. Some will hold it against him, sure, but that’s life in 2020.
There's more animosity over PSI in footballs than to Drew Brees. LOL
Deflated footballs is serious business.
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Oh I know. Not over inflated though. :lol
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Might have to go back to the Falcons as my favorite NFC South team. Shame because on the field Drew Brees is my all time favorite QB.
What? No Tampa Bay? :lol
You know I’m actually really interested to see how things work out in Tampa with Brady. My theory has always been that while Brady is a great QB, his incredible success is due to playing for the greatest coach of all time for his entire career. Now that he’s in Tampa, with another great coach in Bruce Arians, albeit not as good as Bill, the time for him to prove me wrong is now. Conversely, Belichick can still prove me right (like he almost did in 2008) by guiding the Pats to another division title without his Hall of Fame QB. I’m definitely not rooting for either team, but I’m definitely curious to see who has more success.
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Pats did not win the division title in 2008. The Dolphins did and the Pat's missed the playoffs with an 11-5 record.
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Pats did not win the division title in 2008. The Dolphins did and the Pat's missed the playoffs with an 11-5 record.
That’s why I said almost. I would have actually preferred the Pats winning the division that year instead of the Dolphins winning it with the quarterback that the Jets kicked to the curb in favor of one mediocre year from Brett Favre.
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That was a weird year. When Brady came back (2009) the offense was very much like this past year and the defense was very porous. The revamp came in 2010 for the offense and 2014 for the D.
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Interesting things to consider about "Systems." All of the talk about NE is how Hoyer and Stidham will work in the Patriots offense. The Patriots, to me at least, seem to be the least "system" built team in the league. Belichick is famous for using whatever he has in the way he thinks it'll work best. He grew up as a 3-4 guy. They've played 4-3 when the players he had were better suited for it. They've been a nickel team for a couple of years now. The speculation now is that they use their abundance of safeties more for what I suppose would be a bigger nickel package. On the other side of the ball they've had Brady for 17 years playing the ideal system for him. Brady perfected what they were doing and they stuck with it. I don't think at all that BB/JMD are married to the same offense they've been using all of this time. I'm not sure why people would expect Stidham to try and do the same thing Brady did all of this time.
And then you've got Tompa Bay. Bruce Ariens very much is a system guy. He's got a style and it is what it is. Tom's apparently been quite happy to work with the new system, and Ariens isn't going to reinvent his team around Brady. Winston had good wheels, a great arm, and a willingness to take sacks. Why would we think that Brady would thrive in the same system?
Really, I think it's going to be damned fascinating to see how both NE and Tom Brady adapt to their new realities.
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What would REALLY be fascinating would be a NE v. Tampa super bowl. I know it's not happening, but still.
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What would REALLY be fascinating would be a NE v. Tampa super bowl. I know it's not happening, but still.
Don’t even put that into the universe. :lol
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I know that all things aren't equal, but if they were, I think the advantage goes to Belichick. I think he has more variables to play with (more levers to pull), and he has more opportunities to effect change. I know Brady is lauded for his leadership buthe's still one guy and if (or when, if you're inclined to that world view) he and Ariens perhaps do not see eye-to-eye on something, it's potentially a problem.
If Belichick and Stidham don't see eye-to-eye, well, good luck in Cincinnati, Jarrett. I hear they have good chili out there.
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The NFL finally admits it was wrong on Colin Kaepernick kneeling. Shameful it took this long.
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And it had absolutely nothing to do with losing a shitload of money from black fans boycotting them too.
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The NFL finally admits it was wrong on Colin Kaepernick kneeling. Shameful it took this long.
Goodall is the biggest POS pro-sports league commissioner. Yes, bigger than Bettman.
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It feels like the owners are backed into a corner and they "had" to do this. They should have 3 or 4 years ago.
On the other hand if Cap just did the kneeling I would have better his cause.
Strange world we live in.
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Super Bowl 20 is on NBC right now, if any Bears fans are interested (Patriots fans, I assume are not :lol).
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I believe that was the first Super Bowl I watched as a bidding sports fan. I am sure I watched earlier ones with my dad, but this was the first one I watched with interest and awareness, largely due to the Super Bowl Shuffle and Bears hype machine.
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Super Bowl 20 is on NBC right now, if any Bears fans are interested (Patriots fans, I assume are not :lol).
The Pats were in total control of that game for the first minute and a half.
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If not for that early fumble by Payton, it's very possible that would have been the first shutout in the Super Bowl, as I think the Bears D would have played tighter coverage late and not given up the garbage TD if they were still protecting the shutout. Pure speculation, of course. The 2000 Ravens D technically pitched a shutout, but the Giants got 7 off of kickoff return.
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I've blanked that game out of my mind.
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The NFL finally admits it was wrong on Colin Kaepernick kneeling. Shameful it took this long.
This might be better in a P/R thread, and I realize I am splitting a hair that in this current context no one is interested in splitting, but I think this is a mistake. I don't mean making a public statement, but I think the idea that the NFL HAS to say "we were wrong" is really problematic and as much an indicator of Goodell's lousy leadership as the original decision. He's not doing this out of enlightenment or introspection; he's following the crowd as he always does, just a day or two late.
I think if we're going to get through this as a nation, and as a people interested in compromise to find a working solution for EVERYONE, not just the special interest du jour, we have to start having real dialogue, not "bully - response - bully - response - bully response" over and over and over again. I get that the popular wisdom is that "we tried that and you (whoever the "you" is in the us versus them conflict of the moment) didn't listen", but I don't think that's true at all. There was no real dialogue, it was gamesmanship and PR stunts. Kneels, workouts, Jay-Z hires, etc. I get that my idea is a fart in a windstorm at this moment in time, but this type of social interaction is not sustainable.
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^I agree. And what I also see, but do not see talked about, is that I believe the "two sides" of the issue are talking past each other and not acknowledging the others' issues.
Here is an example to illustrate what I mean: Drew Brees made what I consider to be a very reasonable explanation of his opinion on kneeling. Whether one agrees, disagrees, or falls somewhere in the middle, his explanation was perfectly reasonable and about as inoffensive as I could possibly imagine if one is going to take a position in the first place (obviously, keeping one's mouth shut is the least offensive option of all, but we are talking about people who may not agree trying to have a dialog). To him, the flag is a symbol of the country, and specifically, the country's guarantees of freedom to all, and the anthem at games is a remembrance of the U.S. military's involvement in securing that. So, to him, a protest during the anthem is a protest of our military members who put their lives on the line for freedom.
Players who have objected and taken extreme positions against Brees are saying, no, the protests aren't about that. They are about protesting the oppression of minorities, and more specifically, that oppression by the police and public officials "behind the flag," with the flag being the symbol of that oppression.
So they are talking about the flag representing two very different things. Hence, when taking different positions on protesting, they are not actually even talking about the same underlying issue. When I was talking about this with one of my sons the other day, the best analogy I could come up with is this: Let's say a segment of society chooses to actively protest sexual abuse by the Catholic clergy. And their means of protest is to go to various churches (not just Catholic) and burn bibles in the parking lot during worship services as a silent protest. If they were to show up at our local nondenominational bible church and do that, their act of burning bibles would offend many, even though NONE of those people would support abuse in the Catholic Church, or anything even associated with the Catholic Church. But it would be difficult to engage in a serious dialog without the protesters acknowledging that their protest was causing offense to a group of people who are well outside the target of their protest, and without the congregants acknowledging that, even if misguided in its form, the protesters have a very valid reason to protest. There just has to be that acknowledgement and reasonableness on both
On that last sentence, it reminds me of the veteran who met with Kaepernick back when he first started his protests when he was still with the 49ers. I forget his name. And he was against the protests and felt they were offensive, but simultaneously acknowledged that part of what he had fought for while a veteran was that very freedom to protest peacefully. After talking with Kaepernick, he understood that what Kaepernick was protesting was different, and although he disagreed with HOW Kaepernick was protesting, he understood and supported it, and Kaepernick likewise acknowledged the other side as well and modified his exact mode of protest to be less offensive to many. What I liked about it is that both sides listened and tried to understand. They still didn't agree, but they listened, and got to a place where each could say, "I accept your views and will move a bit off my position to at least make a serious effort to accommodate them, but I still believe my position is important too and will not discard it." But that, seemingly, was the only bit of progress made on that. And sad to say, I think far too many on both sides don't understand that and are tone deaf to it.
All that said, I'm kinda with Barto on the point of, when taking a step back and thinking about it, we don't even need the anthem at sporting events in the first place, and if you remove that, there really isn't anything to protest.
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^I agree. And what I also see, but do not see talked about, is that I believe the "two sides" of the issue are talking past each other and not acknowledging the others' issues.
Here is an example to illustrate what I mean: Drew Brees made what I consider to be a very reasonable explanation of his opinion on kneeling. Whether one agrees, disagrees, or falls somewhere in the middle, his explanation was perfectly reasonable and about as inoffensive as I could possibly imagine if one is going to take a position in the first place (obviously, keeping one's mouth shut is the least offensive option of all, but we are talking about people who may not agree trying to have a dialog). To him, the flag is a symbol of the country, and specifically, the country's guarantees of freedom to all, and the anthem at games is a remembrance of the U.S. military's involvement in securing that. So, to him, a protest during the anthem is a protest of our military members who put their lives on the line for freedom.
All that said, I'm kinda with Barto on the point of, when taking a step back and thinking about it, we don't even need the anthem at sporting events in the first place, and if you remove that, there really isn't anything to protest.
Players who have objected and taken extreme positions against Brees are saying, no, the protests aren't about that. They are about protesting the oppression of minorities, and more specifically, that oppression by the police and public officials "behind the flag," with the flag being the symbol of that oppression.
So they are talking about the flag representing two very different things. Hence, when taking different positions on protesting, they are not actually even talking about the same underlying issue. When I was talking about this with one of my sons the other day, the best analogy I could come up with is this: Let's say a segment of society chooses to actively protest sexual abuse by the Catholic clergy. And their means of protest is to go to various churches (not just Catholic) and burn bibles in the parking lot during worship services as a silent protest. If they were to show up at our local nondenominational bible church and do that, their act of burning bibles would offend many, even though NONE of those people would support abuse in the Catholic Church, or anything even associated with the Catholic Church. But it would be difficult to engage in a serious dialog without the protesters acknowledging that their protest was causing offense to a group of people who are well outside the target of their protest, and without the congregants acknowledging that, even if misguided in its form, the protesters have a very valid reason to protest. There just has to be that acknowledgement and reasonableness on both
On that last sentence, it reminds me of the veteran who met with Kaepernick back when he first started his protests when he was still with the 49ers. I forget his name. And he was against the protests and felt they were offensive, but simultaneously acknowledged that part of what he had fought for while a veteran was that very freedom to protest peacefully. After talking with Kaepernick, he understood that what Kaepernick was protesting was different, and although he disagreed with HOW Kaepernick was protesting, he understood and supported it, and Kaepernick likewise acknowledged the other side as well and modified his exact mode of protest to be less offensive to many. What I liked about it is that both sides listened and tried to understand. They still didn't agree, but they listened, and got to a place where each could say, "I accept your views and will move a bit off my position to at least make a serious effort to accommodate them, but I still believe my position is important too and will not discard it." But that, seemingly, was the only bit of progress made on that. And sad to say, I think far too many on both sides don't understand that and are tone deaf to it.
This is extremely well said.
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Cam Newton signing with the Patriots.
:corn
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:corn :corn
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Holy shit 1 year deal.
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Those press conferences.
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And the penalty came down for the video infraction. 1 1 million penalty and a 3rd round pick. No Patriots tv productions for a year.
31 other NFL team's fan are about to lose it.
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And the penalty came down for the video infraction. 1 1 million penalty and a 3rd round pick. No Patriots tv productions for a year.
31 other NFL team's fan are about to lose it.
Wow!
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And the penalty came down for the video infraction. 1 1 million penalty and a 3rd round pick. No Patriots tv productions for a year.
31 other NFL team's fan are about to lose it.
So how does this work for their games? Do the other teams film crews have to share their footage when playing them?
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No. The crew that filmed is for a internet show on their coaching staff. It has nothing to do with gameplans.
The league gives full game film to the teams.
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No. The crew that filmed is for a internet show on their coaching staff. It has nothing to do with gameplans.
The league gives full game film to the teams.
Ok that makes sense.
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That's surprisingly fair. The 3rd seems a little steep since it's not a football related offense, but they usually have plenty of them anyway.
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Cam Newton signing with the Patriots.
:corn
Up to 7 million if he meets all of then incentives. I'm not sure how you don't sign him for that. I don't have a lot of faith in the guy, and I wouldn't be surprised if Stidham beats him out for the gig, but that's a worthwhile flyer to take. Sucks to by Brian Hoyer, again.
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Hi this is Stadler's wife, just letting you know he might not be here for a couple days; he read the Cam Newton announcement, let go a string of f-bombs, something, something, can't win the big game, choker, something, something, be hurt by the third game, something, doesn't know what he needs to be one of the greats... then his head exploded. Right now he's in bed mumbling about "taking one to the face" or something, I don't know.
Anyway, I'll let you know if anything changes.
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Hi this is Stadler's wife, just letting you know he might not be here for a couple days; he read the Cam Newton announcement, let go a string of f-bombs, something, something, can't win the big game, choker, something, something, be hurt by the third game, something, doesn't know what he needs to be one of the greats... then his head exploded. Right now he's in bed mumbling about "taking one to the face" or something, I don't know.
Anyway, I'll let you know if anything changes.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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then his head exploded. Right now he's in bed mumbling about "taking one to the face" or something, I don't know.
In light of the head explosion, where is the mumbling coming from? Maybe I don't want to know....
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Hi this is Stadler's wife, just letting you know he might not be here for a couple days; he read the Cam Newton announcement, let go a string of f-bombs, something, something, can't win the big game, choker, something, something, be hurt by the third game, something, doesn't know what he needs to be one of the greats... then his head exploded. Right now he's in bed mumbling about "taking one to the face" or something, I don't know.
Anyway, I'll let you know if anything changes.
:lol
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then his head exploded. Right now he's in bed mumbling about "taking one to the face" or something, I don't know.
In light of the head explosion, where is the mumbling coming from? Maybe I don't want to know....
:tup
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Hi this is Stadler's wife, just letting you know he might not be here for a couple days; he read the Cam Newton announcement, let go a string of f-bombs, something, something, can't win the big game, choker, something, something, be hurt by the third game, something, doesn't know what he needs to be one of the greats... then his head exploded. Right now he's in bed mumbling about "taking one to the face" or something, I don't know.
Anyway, I'll let you know if anything changes.
:lol
Apparently it was your combined love for the use of a comma that attracted you guys to each other.
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Cam Newton signing with the Patriots.
:corn
Up to 7 million if he meets all of then incentives. I'm not sure how you don't sign him for that. I don't have a lot of faith in the guy, and I wouldn't be surprised if Stidham beats him out for the gig, but that's a worthwhile flyer to take. Sucks to by Brian Hoyer, again.
Yep, it seems like a low risk/high reward for the Patriots. My guess is that McDaniels will revamp the whole offense for when Cam plays, if he does in fact win the starting job.
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Cam Newton signing with the Patriots.
:corn
Up to 7 million if he meets all of then incentives. I'm not sure how you don't sign him for that. I don't have a lot of faith in the guy, and I wouldn't be surprised if Stidham beats him out for the gig, but that's a worthwhile flyer to take. Sucks to by Brian Hoyer, again.
Yep, it seems like a low risk/high reward for the Patriots. My guess is that McDaniels will revamp the whole offense for when Cam plays, if he does in fact win the starting job.
My hunch is that they revamp the offense for whoever the QB is. I don't think they'll be looking to force Stidham into Brady's offense. That's not what NE does. They'll craft an offense around Stidham's strengths and weaknesses, and the same for Cam. The difference is that Cam's would probably be an even bigger departure from the established norm than Stidham's.
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I'm interested in how Cam affects the passing game. Does teams put an extra guy in the box incase? Does that open up the long game? Is Cam capable of his past play?
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You guys are funny thinking there will be football games this year.
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Wishful thinking. Staying positive.
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I'm interested in how Cam affects the passing game. Does teams put an extra guy in the box incase? Does that open up the long game? Is Cam capable of his past play?
If he can stay healthy, which seems like a big if, you never know. If anyone can get consistent, great play out of Cam Newton, it's Bill Belichick. Heck, he squeezed great play for almost 20 years out of a noodle-armed 6th rounder, so imagine what he can do with a former number 1 pick! :P :P
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:lol
Cam hasn't been healthy for 2 years. Can he stay on the field is the right question.
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You guys are funny thinking there will be football games this year.
While I love me some football, I just don't see how it's going to happen.
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:lol
Cam hasn't been healthy for 2 years. Can he stay on the field is the right question.
Kurt Warner addressed this in an op-ed yesterday. After the greatest show on turf he was in a nearly identical situation before moving on to Arizona. IIRC he missed one season due to injury, and then got benched in week one of the next and never took another snap for StL.
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I'm back. It was touch and go for a while. Not happy about this signing at all. I mean, I get it, but I don't think a 31-year-old (actual age) 42-year-old (mileage) quarterback who's shown no inclination for the intellectual side of the game is the way to go. And I can't believe Belichick thinks it is.
What's Cam's game at this point? His arm is shot, so he's not going to be a pocket passer, he's glass, so he's not going to be a scrambling, "make-it-happen" guy, and he's not a field general, so he's not going to be a game manager. What's this going to look like?
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I'm back. It was touch and go for a while. Not happy about this signing at all. I mean, I get it, but I don't think a 31-year-old (actual age) 42-year-old (mileage) quarterback who's shown no inclination for the intellectual side of the game is the way to go. And I can't believe Belichick thinks it is.
What's Cam's game at this point? His arm is shot, so he's not going to be a pocket passer, he's glass, so he's not going to be a scrambling, "make-it-happen" guy, and he's not a field general, so he's not going to be a game manager. What's this going to look like?
If he gets the gig it's going to look like a stop-gap until he gets the QB he wants. And the truth is we've got no idea what Cam has left in him. Again, see Warner. I don't disagree about the general assessment of him before the injuries; he's not what I want in a QB. I think the point here is that there's a good chance he's a step up from Stidham, and that's who NE has to work with until they draft the QB of the future. Something they were unable to do this year.
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Add to the mix this offseason where every team is in the unknown and out of sorts. Football coaches and players like structure and covid has messed that up.
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Newton at his worst could derail an entire game. Newton at his best went 15-1 and won the MVP. Belichick got an 11-5 season out of Matt Cassel. If any coach can bring the best back out of Cam, it’s Bill. This is a move the Pats had to make. With Buffalo looking like a contender, the Jets slowly improving, and the Dolphins having a bright future, New England had to do something to stay competitive and relevant until they find their future franchise QB. Cam Newton has proven that he can be elite, and nobody has brought more out of their players than Bill Belichick. I’m intrigued albeit a bit nervous about getting spanked twice this season as usual.
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I just read that the Pats can franchise Cam after the season. He didn't have that blocked in the contract.
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If he plays well enough to be worth $28 million I think we'll all be happy about it.
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If he plays well enough to be worth $28 million I think we'll all be happy about it.
I wont. I'm a Dolphins fan.
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The Dolphins future looks bright right now. This is a flyer on a guy that really hasn't been healthy in 2 years so I not sure I'd say that Pat's own the division again.
If he plays well enough to be worth $28 million I think we'll all be happy about it.
I think that that's too high with what's going on with Covid. Players are not going to get the crazy money we're accustomed to seeing.
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:lol
Cam hasn't been healthy for 2 years. Can he stay on the field is the right question.
Kurt Warner addressed this in an op-ed yesterday. After the greatest show on turf he was in a nearly identical situation before moving on to Arizona. IIRC he missed one season due to injury, and then got benched in week one of the next and never took another snap for StL.
Kurt is being nice, as there is a big difference between a pocket passer who was scary accurate (Warner) and an athletic marvel who has taken so many hits over the years that he cannot stay healthy any more to where his freakish body is the asset it once was.
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You guys are funny thinking there will be football games this year.
While I love me some football, I just don't see how it's going to happen.
Yea, I'm very skeptical of us getting a season this year, however with MLB starting back up in a month, it'll give us an idea if this can move forward or not.
No football season is going to be very sad as it's such a huge Sunday past time for the US. I feel like losing baseball/hockey/basketball doesn't come close to losing football just because it's such a specific fall sunday activity for so many.
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Not NFL related but a friend I grew up with is on a documentary on ESPN at 9pm tonight. It's an all women football league where her team won the championship! Patrick Pass of Patriots fame was the coach!
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Redskins looking into changing team name. Interesting how it took pressure from sponsors to prompt it.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29405011/redskins-undergo-thorough-review-nickname
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A billionaire evaluating a business decision based on financial interests? That is the opposite of interesting. Ok, maybe more like obvious. Not literally the opposite of interesting.
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Go back all these years here, and I've always called them 'DC' or the 'Potatoes'.
They could change their name to the Washington Wasps. Instead of a stinging insect on the helmet, they could put a profile of a Caucasian on each side.
The burgundy and gold could change their name to the 'Wines', which would also fit with the whining that's so prevalent.
I've tried for years to come up the proper alternative. I think 'Admirals' and 'Federals' were used in other leagues <yawn> Generals is the best I can think of, as long as they don't play the Globetrotters ;)
Or, maybe the DC Storms? DC Stallions? DC Dragons? DC Deficits?
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The potatoes?
They could change their name to the Washington Wasps. Instead of a stinging insect on the helmet, they could put a profile of a Caucasian on each side.
:D
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Redskins looking into changing team name. Interesting how it took pressure from sponsors to prompt it.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29405011/redskins-undergo-thorough-review-nickname
About damn time. It's shameful that in 2020 we still have a sports team named after a racial slur. Of course, I fully expect them to not end up changing the name after talking to one American Indian guy and then citing tradition or some other nonsense.
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Not football but the Cleveland Indians are now considering a name change as well.
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Not football but the Cleveland Indians are now considering a name change as well.
This one is overdue as well. I don't see Indians as being nearly as bad as Redskins, since Indian is preferred term used by most American Indians, but it's still very bizarre to have a team named after a racial group.
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Redskins looking into changing team name. Interesting how it took pressure from sponsors to prompt it.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29405011/redskins-undergo-thorough-review-nickname
About damn time. It's shameful that in 2020 we still have a sports team named after a racial slur. Of course, I fully expect them to not end up changing the name after talking to one American Indian guy and then citing tradition or some other nonsense.
They'll change it. I don't think they have a choice now.
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* flag gets thrown on the Karens.
"Time out. We would like to speak to Mr. Riveron, please."
Sorta on topic... what site(s) do you all use for your sports news? I have always used ESPN.com out of habit, but I am tiring of their coverage and presentation. Any recommendations?
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I use a couple of local Boston sites.
I'm a hockey fan so I visit TSN.NHL daily.
I do like ESPN's site because their statistic pages are easy to read and navigate. But I don't go there for news, and will only go if I'm doing stat analysis. But I usually have sports talk radio on in the car.
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Why not look into some of the actual tribes that were indigenous to the area and name it after them to pay proper homage to the Native American heritage (like the Blackhawks did in Chicago in honor of a famous Native American Chief from Illinois named Black Hawk)?
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As to the DC football team’s ‘proud tradition’ of their nickname, which includes a copy of part of the original newspaper article behind the original Boston NFL franchise nickname.
https://news.sportslogos.net/2020/07/05/the-history-and-the-controversy-of-the-washington-redskins-name-and-logo/
Caveat: I graduated from Central Michigan. Our school’s nickname was, and still is, the Chippewas. CMU is located in Mt. Pleasant, which has the Chippewa River, is in the Chippewa Valley, and has a Chippewa reservation outside the city limits. Nothing derogatory. No ‘chops’ or ‘chants’. Eons ago, three members of the marching band were kicked out for showing up with face paint on game day. I’ve never seen one fan show up in any silly Indian garb.
I was ticked when the state pressured the school to remove the spear on the helmet after the ’87 season. I do own a handful of Washington mini replicas of the throwback helmet.
The tribe wrote letters to the NCAA in support of keeping the name.
Years later, Eastern Michigan changed their nickname from ‘Hurons’ to ‘Eagles’. Ypsilanti is located in the Huron Valley, has the Huron River run through it….and the school didn’t do any mocking. (at least they didn’t change to the ‘Emus’😉). To me, with both Chippewas and Hurons, I learned of their histories because of the names.
And then, there were the arguments against various nicknames and the subsequent changes ie North Dakota, Miami of Ohio, and St. John’s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dakota_Fighting_Sioux_controversy
https://miamiredhawks.com/news/2012/8/10/Nickname_History.aspx#:~:text=At%20its%20meeting%20on%20April,into%20effect%20July%201%2C%201997.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John%27s_Red_Storm
Seminoles, Chiefs, Warriors, Braves…..the Fighting Sioux. I have no problems. There are Trojans, Spartans, Vikings, Colonels, Admirals, Generals, Coloniels, Minutemen…..
It’s the stupid behaviors associated that I have a problem with.
Moving on, this link includes a copy of part of the original newspaper article on the ‘tradition’ behind the original Boston NFL franchise nickname.
https://news.sportslogos.net/2020/07/05/the-history-and-the-controversy-of-the-washington-redskins-name-and-logo/
Link for the Washington Redhawks uni and hoax
https://www.forbes.com/sites/demetriusbell/2017/12/15/the-washington-redhawks-hoax-is-actually-a-well-executed-concept-design/#6e3eaa0f121b
For the Redtails (and other options)
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/if-washington-changes-redskins-team-name-here-are-some-of-the-best-options/
for the team logo and uniforms
https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1982381
Redtails has been picking up steam, and I think it would be a great choice for the reasons listed.
Blackhawks…..named after a fighter squadron that the original owner was a member of, in honor of a Sioux chief.
As to the Cleveland Indians…..that’s for another time, but Chief Wahoo was a frickin’ disgrace.
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ESPN is reporting a Mahomes extension...400 mill for 10 year extension..No details yet on how much money he will actually get but daaaaaamn...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29418825/sources-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-agree-10-year-extension
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Wise move, a) locking down Mahomes now, and b) making it a long deal to where they can presumably soften the cap hit in the first few years. Recent history shows that once a QB is given a crazy high contract, their team then struggles to put a championship level team around them on a regular basis (see: Russell Wilson), so we will see if the Chiefs can buck the trend.
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And in other news, an upscale Maryland neighborhood caught fire when Ravens GM Eric DeCosta spontaneously combusted while reading the morning newspaper. "One minute he was drinking his OJ and laughing with the kids, and then he got this pained look on his face. It looked like he was going to say something but he just burst into flames" recalled his wife, fighting back tears. "I started to wrap a towel around him but he was producing these terrible fumes so I grabbed the kids and ran out the door." After fighting the blaze for several hours, the fire chief called it "the God damnedest thing I've ever seen."
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^
As Ravens fans, my wife and I were laughing aloud reading this....and somewhat crying at the same time.
You won our internet for the day :tup
The contract: my stepdaughter went to Delaware at the same time as Joe Flacco. Saw him play five times in person, led the Blue Hens to the 1-AA title game, was thrilled when the Ravens drafted him, and 'loved' him, warts and all. He wasn't 'elite', but he was a winner here. Then came time for the contract. Any time after that, when he mentioned how it was 'all about winning', I wanted to throw up. He could have taken less, they could have re-signed Anquan Boldin, had money to fill holes or re-sign others, etc. One playoff appearance in the five years after the contract, and then he got hurt in the sixth (Hello, Lamar!). It was an albatross that hung around the franchise until last year.
We've seen the same thing in Green Bay, Seattle, etc etc. It's all just so crazy.
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Brilliant contract. That’s how you pay your franchise QB without handicapping your ability to build around him. The Chiefs are in a position now where they locked up a once in a generation talent for his entire prime and still have money to add/keep talent in place. They should be a contender for years.
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Isn't it averaging 40 Million a year. Is that 20% of the cap? I thought I read that somewhere.
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Isn't it averaging 40 Million a year. Is that 20% of the cap? I thought I read that somewhere.
Depends on how it's structured. The signing bonus gets prorated, and it could be top or bottom loaded. More importantly, it could include phantom years at an exorbitant price that won't really factor into it. My hunch is that a big chunk of the 450m is in the final 3 years which will either be voided or renegotiated. Remember Brady's contract extension which paid him 40 someodd million for 2020 and 2021, but actually voided at the end of 2019?
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I thought I read it wasnt back loaded but he would be paid a percentage each year. Let me see if I can find it.
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There's been talk that it might be linked to the cap. That's something that owners were dreading, but was pretty much inevitable.
I guess it's just how I grew up, but massive contracts never made much sense to me. Give me a ton of money up front so I can buy 3 nice houses with a car and a crazy stripper wife for each one, and then enough income to make me comfortable. Spend the rest building a team around me. Having to be the highest paid would never occur to me.
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It was some mechanisms for the team that they can opt out I saw. Here are the #'s for each year.
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Yeah, here's a Q&A about the contract, and by NFL standards it's a doozy. The opt out mechanisms aren't actually all that great for KC. Basically, his contracts guarantee two years in advance. So in 2023 when roid-rage kicks in and he burns his ex-girlfriend with a crack pipe, the Chiefs will already be on the hook for 2024 and 2025. His 2026 and subsequent contracts guarantee a year in advance, which is why there's a massive increase for 2027. That makes it fairly likely that what we really have is a six year deal worth $185m and a renegotiation in 2026.
Also, none of this is actually linked to the cap. That's coming, but isn't here yet.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29419411/is-patrick-mahomes-500-million-contract-actually-team-friendly-answering-eight-questions-chiefs-qb-deal
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I'm hearing about your article you just posted above right now on Boston radio saying exactly what you are saying.
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There's been talk that it might be linked to the cap. That's something that owners were dreading, but was pretty much inevitable.
I guess it's just how I grew up, but massive contracts never made much sense to me. Give me a ton of money up front so I can buy 3 nice houses with a car and a crazy stripper wife for each one, and then enough income to make me comfortable. Spend the rest building a team around me. Having to be the highest paid would never occur to me.
What does that mean, "linked to the cap"? He gets paid a percentage that always keep some money available to the team? Or the other way, whatever the cap is, he gets a certain percentage?
I'm with you, Bart. Really. I like money as much as the next guy, but there are intangibles. Even in my humble professional life, I've always sort of balanced the equation; working out of the house, being able to spend time with my kid, moderate/reasonable travel... it's all a balance, and if you're going to be a football player in the NFL, the "house/time with fam/moderate travel" is out the window, so you might as well WIN, baby.
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There's been talk that it might be linked to the cap. That's something that owners were dreading, but was pretty much inevitable.
I guess it's just how I grew up, but massive contracts never made much sense to me. Give me a ton of money up front so I can buy 3 nice houses with a car and a crazy stripper wife for each one, and then enough income to make me comfortable. Spend the rest building a team around me. Having to be the highest paid would never occur to me.
What does that mean, "linked to the cap"? He gets paid a percentage that always keep some money available to the team? Or the other way, whatever the cap is, he gets a certain percentage?
I'm with you, Bart. Really. I like money as much as the next guy, but there are intangibles. Even in my humble professional life, I've always sort of balanced the equation; working out of the house, being able to spend time with my kid, moderate/reasonable travel... it's all a balance, and if you're going to be a football player in the NFL, the "house/time with fam/moderate travel" is out the window, so you might as well WIN, baby.
The latter. He gets X percentage of the cap. There was talk that's what Russel Wilson was going to do, and from the talk around town that might be what Dak Prescott is after. It scares the hell out of the owners, though. The cap gives them leverage, but also makes it possible to plan going forward. If 7 players on your team are all linked to a percentage of the cap you're going to have a very hard time growing.
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The solution is to quit paying these guys so damn much. Spread the wealth and you just might be able to keep the stellar team that you managed to build around a QB that didn't do ALL the work.
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Redskins looking into changing team name. Interesting how it took pressure from sponsors to prompt it.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29405011/redskins-undergo-thorough-review-nickname
About damn time. It's shameful that in 2020 we still have a sports team named after a racial slur.
I think for it to qualify as a "racial slur," it has to (1) be objectively demeaning, and (2) be objectively demeaning/offensive to the group in question. So (1) referring only to the color of skin isn't. (2) We aren't offended or demeaned. But that said, if White folks think it is somehow offensive and want to change it, there's certainly no harm.
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https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a29318/redskin-name-update/
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a29445/true-redskins-meaning/
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That really doens't make much sense. Sports teams tend to be named after things that are brave, or scary, or noble. Seems a lot more plausible that they were going after the, perhaps incorrect, other interpretation of the expression; a slang term for Indians. That's why we have the Bears and Lions rather than the Pelts or the Furs. And the Cowboys instead of the Bounties (NOLA not withstanding). It's also why we have the Chiefs, the Braves, the Indians, and the Blackhawks.
Since the Redskins name seems to offend a tiny percentage of Indians (and a whole lot of bleeding hearts) then go ahead and change it. I couldn't care less. No need to go attributing alternative rationale to it, though.
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Yay, that age-old authority on all things Indian-related, Esquire Magazine, to the rescue! :lol
But in all seriousness, those articles are close to poster children for the flaws in trying to reason that it is a racial slur that I pointed to above. Barto has it right.
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https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a29318/redskin-name-update/
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a29445/true-redskins-meaning/
The headline of the first linked article tells us that "a 'redskin' . . . [means] the scalped head of a native American, sold, like a pelt, for cash." However, it starts with a photo of an 1863 news article that tells us that a "reward for dead Indians has been increased for $200 for every red-skin sent to Purgatory." That article demonstrates exactly the opposite of what the headline claims since the notion of sending a "scalped head" to purgatory would make no sense at all since "scalped heads" do not go to purgatory -- only souls do.
When I was in law school, I took a trademark law case and read a handful of cases relating to efforts to cancel the "Redskins" trademark, and the evidence in those cases was fairly overwhelming that most American Indians didn't give much of a rip about the issue. Of course, that's all 20+ year old information.
At the end of the day, however, I think exactly what El Barto wrote.
I'd also be willing to bet a dollar or two that, at the Washington Gerrymanderers' first game with fans, you will hear the loudest rendition of "Hail to the Redskins" that has ever been heard.
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I am not naďve enough to to think that this name change is caused by a "tiny percent of Indians" or "a lot of bleeding hearts" as much one other motivation - money. Look what FedEx and Amazon have done along with other major companies. They had no other choice other than keeping the name and watching their brand sink.
If little Danny Snyder woke up and had an epiphany, it was his accountants bending over him telling him how much money the organization was about to lose.
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And those companies putting pressure were afraid of backlash if they didnt put pressure on the team.
Feels like politics to me.
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I am not naďve enough to to think that this name change is caused by a "tiny percent of Indians" or "a lot of bleeding hearts" as much one other motivation - money. Look what FedEx and Amazon have done along with other major companies. They had no other choice other than keeping the name and watching their brand sink.
If little Danny Snyder woke up and had an epiphany, it was his accountants bending over him telling him how much money the organization was about to lose.
So much this...
Look, I'm Native and I don't have a problem with the Redskins name. It's just a word, and a name of a FOOTBALL TEAM, that plays a GAME, to entertain you.
First off, I have to ask those that have a problem with it. Do you watch Football? If not, why do you care so much about something you have no interest in that many others do?
We as Native People have many other more important things to try and change than a freaking name.
What I am worried about it is how The Owner was forced to have to change his name. He still holds his ground. And is only succumbing to the name change because, it was either: You change the name or no football team. Being demanded by people that aren't even Native American to begin with and probably don't even watch Football.
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And those companies putting pressure were afraid of backlash if they didnt put pressure on the team.
Feels like politics to me.
Not as much politics as economics. The corporations live and breath on data along with brand recognition. I would bet a paycheck that they ran the numbers, reports and such and decided it was in their best interest to change course. Now if you see Trump getting involved with a tweet, then it would be politics.
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I am not naďve enough to to think that this name change is caused by a "tiny percent of Indians" or "a lot of bleeding hearts" as much one other motivation - money. Look what FedEx and Amazon have done along with other major companies. They had no other choice other than keeping the name and watching their brand sink.
If little Danny Snyder woke up and had an epiphany, it was his accountants bending over him telling him how much money the organization was about to lose.
It was "a whole lot" of bleeding hearts, and they are the ones responsible. The only people who care least of all about this are FedEX and Amazon. It's nothing to them, and nor should it be. Those bleeding hearts who are outraged on behalf of the Indians add up, though, and FedEX is damn sure afraid of them.
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Huh... I had no idea that most Indians aren't offended by the Redskins name. I figured most would at least think "yeah, it's degrading, but I've got bigger fish to fry." I still think it's one of those things that needed to change, but it's a shame that it was clearly about the money and not about being decent to the people who were here before us.
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I am not naďve enough to to think that this name change is caused by a "tiny percent of Indians" or "a lot of bleeding hearts" as much one other motivation - money. Look what FedEx and Amazon have done along with other major companies. They had no other choice other than keeping the name and watching their brand sink.
If little Danny Snyder woke up and had an epiphany, it was his accountants bending over him telling him how much money the organization was about to lose.
It was "a whole lot" of bleeding hearts, and they are the ones responsible. The only people who care least of all about this are FedEX and Amazon. It's nothing to them, and nor should it be. Those bleeding hearts who are outraged on behalf of the Indians add up, though, and FedEX is damn sure afraid of them.
If FedEx didn't care then why did they ask the organization to change the name of the stadium that has their name on it? And why was Amazon going to stop selling jerseys and paraphernalia?
I'm not surer if you know this but "the whole lot of bleeding hearts" have been trying to get the name changed for decades, always falling on deaf ears with little Danny Snyder saying "over my dead body". Maybe we should check to see if he's still alive?
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And those companies putting pressure were afraid of backlash if they didnt put pressure on the team.
Feels like politics to me.
Not as much politics as economics. The corporations live and breath on data along with brand recognition. I would bet a paycheck that they ran the numbers, reports and such and decided it was in their best interest to change course. Now if you see Trump getting involved with a tweet, then it would be politics.
I'm talking money. They were getting hit in the wallet. Money forced the change.
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I am not naďve enough to to think that this name change is caused by a "tiny percent of Indians" or "a lot of bleeding hearts" as much one other motivation - money. Look what FedEx and Amazon have done along with other major companies. They had no other choice other than keeping the name and watching their brand sink.
If little Danny Snyder woke up and had an epiphany, it was his accountants bending over him telling him how much money the organization was about to lose.
It was "a whole lot" of bleeding hearts, and they are the ones responsible. The only people who care least of all about this are FedEX and Amazon. It's nothing to them, and nor should it be. Those bleeding hearts who are outraged on behalf of the Indians add up, though, and FedEX is damn sure afraid of them.
If FedEx didn't care then why did they ask the organization to change the name of the stadium that has their name on it? And why was Amazon going to stop selling jerseys and paraphernalia?
I'm not surer if you know this but "the whole lot of bleeding hearts" have been trying to get the name changed for decades, always falling on deaf ears with little Danny Snyder saying "over my dead body". Maybe we should check to see if he's still alive?
Look, we're mostly in agreement here. You said money and of course you're correct. The difference is that the bleeding hearts actually care about the cause, misguided though they may be. They're offended by it, for some reason. Corporations don't care about anything other than shareholder profits. To that end they're making the move the public demands. It's strictly a business decision, based on the fact that an increasing number of people do seem to care about it. If the climate isn't such as it is today, FedEX and Amazon would be just as happy to ignore the thing. Let's also keep in mind that Amazon stands to make a minor fortune from this. Lil Danny gets stuck with the massive expense of this name change* while Amazon sells out of all of the old, now collectable, logo stuff, and then sells several metric shit-tons of new logo stuff.
*Think of how many things will have to be redone. Every single thing in that stadium has the logo on it. The beer cups. The trash cans. The napkins. The menus. The coolers the hawkers carry around. All of the signage. The ticket stock. All of the online stuff. Company letterhead. I'll bet Lil Danny's G-IV has a Redskins livery. The carpet in the locker room, not to mention the lockers themselves. Five years from now they'll still be finding Redskins logos in places nobody ever thought to look.
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I am not naďve enough to to think that this name change is caused by a "tiny percent of Indians" or "a lot of bleeding hearts" as much one other motivation - money. Look what FedEx and Amazon have done along with other major companies. They had no other choice other than keeping the name and watching their brand sink.
If little Danny Snyder woke up and had an epiphany, it was his accountants bending over him telling him how much money the organization was about to lose.
It was "a whole lot" of bleeding hearts, and they are the ones responsible. The only people who care least of all about this are FedEX and Amazon. It's nothing to them, and nor should it be. Those bleeding hearts who are outraged on behalf of the Indians add up, though, and FedEX is damn sure afraid of them.
If FedEx didn't care then why did they ask the organization to change the name of the stadium that has their name on it? And why was Amazon going to stop selling jerseys and paraphernalia?
I'm not surer if you know this but "the whole lot of bleeding hearts" have been trying to get the name changed for decades, always falling on deaf ears with little Danny Snyder saying "over my dead body". Maybe we should check to see if he's still alive?
Fedex doesn't care about the name of the team or how any person or group of people feel about the name. Fedex cares about money, and the "bleeding hearts" got sufficiently organized that Fedex became concerned about an impact on its bottom line. THAT is why Fedex put pressure on Snyder.
Also, FYI, the folks who have been seeking to have the name changed have been doing so a lot longer than Dan Snyder's 1999 acquisition of the franchise. The Cooke family didn't give any more fucks than does Snyder.
Let's also keep in mind that Amazon stands to make a minor fortune from this. Lil Danny gets stuck with the massive expense of this name change* while Amazon sells out of all of the old, now collectable, logo stuff, and then sells several metric shit-tons of new logo stuff.
To say nothing of marking UP the prices on the old stuff because it's "vintage."
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Huh... I had no idea that most Indians aren't offended by the Redskins name. I figured most would at least think "yeah, it's degrading, but I've got bigger fish to fry." I still think it's one of those things that needed to change, but it's a shame that it was clearly about the money and not about being decent to the people who were here before us.
It is what you exactly said. We understand it's a term that was used in a derogatory way. It all comes down to, it's just a Football game in the end, and doing this won't make a dent.
Now contrast this move to what the Supreme Court ruled in Oklahoma. That is way way bigger and more important to celebrate and has a much long lasting impact than a name.
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It's ironic though, many natives here in New Mexico like the Dallas Cowboys.
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Ok, a better source
https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/02/04/native-mascots-survey/
I wrote back on July 6th in regards to this topic. I included a caveat. So, from all this, I'm grouped into the 'bleeding heart liberal' category as well :huh:
To think that Snyder will make a lot more $$$$$$$$ by the end of this. The first time his franchise has had any relevancy since Griffin hurt his knee.
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It's ironic though, many natives here in New Mexico like the Dallas Cowboys.
Ironic? I think it makes sense when you consider the history of Cowboys. (And I'm not talking about the football team)
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Washington Gerrymanderers'
Nicely done. That's classic.
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Ok, a better source
https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/02/04/native-mascots-survey/
I wrote back on July 6th in regards to this topic. I included a caveat. So, from all this, I'm grouped into the 'bleeding heart liberal' category as well :huh:
To think that Snyder will make a lot more $$$$$$$$ by the end of this. The first time his franchise has had any relevancy since Griffin hurt his knee.
Look, I'm parked firmly with El Barto on this; I think he's got it 100% correct, and I (I think he said) couldn't give a rat's ass either way as to whether they change anything (Daniel Snyder is still there, ergo, they're still going to suck), but I read the article here, and this is key:
"Of those polled for the study, 57% who strongly identify with being Native American and 67% of those who frequently engage in tribal cultural practices were found to be deeply insulted by caricatures of Native American culture."
This assumes that ALL of those people agree that the use of the Redskins name and logo is, in fact, a "caricature of Native American culture". This is the very definition of "begging the question". I think it's foolish to try to put numbers on this; I know I live close to two Indian reservations, and know a couple people well-placed in their governmental organization. One, a friend from college is a senior official in one of the organizations (which runs a large casino in I think three states). I remember being in a conversation with him on this and when asked if it bothered him he answered something to the effect of "as long as people bet on the team, I don't care what the name is." He was, of course, joking, but I think this is a big issue for a small number of people. I can't imagine even one mind being changed by this.
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The Redskins should have kept their name the same and just changed their logo to a potato.
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The Redskins should have kept their name the same and just changed their logo to a potato.
That's a win!
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To think that Snyder will make a lot more $$$$$$$$ by the end of this. The first time his franchise has had any relevancy since Griffin hurt his knee.
Snyder is going to take a bath on this. As I pointed out yesterday, the cost of changing the thing over will be massive. And more importantly, the people who are up in arms about the team name don't give a shit about football. When Washington next take the field all of the bleeding hearts will be out picketing Arbys or something, and definitely not watching the game. He'll get zero new fans out of this, and he'll probably lose a few Trumpers. The talking heads will make a big deal out of it their first home game, but that won't get him anything.
I wonder what will happen the first time somebody wears their vintage Art Monk jersey to a game. Will he be denied entry? Pelted with beer and popcorn? Forced to turn his jersey inside out?
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To think that Snyder will make a lot more $$$$$$$$ by the end of this. The first time his franchise has had any relevancy since Griffin hurt his knee.
Snyder is going to take a bath on this. As I pointed out yesterday, the cost of changing the thing over will be massive. And more importantly, the people who are up in arms about the team name don't give a shit about football. When Washington next take the field all of the bleeding hearts will be out picketing Arbys or something, and definitely not watching the game. He'll get zero new fans out of this, and he'll probably lose a few Trumpers. The talking heads will make a big deal out of it their first home game, but that won't get him anything.
I wonder what will happen the first time somebody wears their vintage Art Monk jersey to a game. Will he be denied entry? Pelted with beer and popcorn? Forced to turn his jersey inside out?
And I will say again, this has nothing to do with the "bleeding hearts" effecting change.
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Ok, a better source
https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/02/04/native-mascots-survey/
I wrote back on July 6th in regards to this topic. I included a caveat. So, from all this, I'm grouped into the 'bleeding heart liberal' category as well :huh:
To think that Snyder will make a lot more $$$$$$$$ by the end of this. The first time his franchise has had any relevancy since Griffin hurt his knee.
Look, I'm parked firmly with El Barto on this; I think he's got it 100% correct, and I (I think he said) couldn't give a rat's ass either way as to whether they change anything (Daniel Snyder is still there, ergo, they're still going to suck), but I read the article here, and this is key:
"Of those polled for the study, 57% who strongly identify with being Native American and 67% of those who frequently engage in tribal cultural practices were found to be deeply insulted by caricatures of Native American culture."
This assumes that ALL of those people agree that the use of the Redskins name and logo is, in fact, a "caricature of Native American culture". This is the very definition of "begging the question". I think it's foolish to try to put numbers on this; I know I live close to two Indian reservations, and know a couple people well-placed in their governmental organization. One, a friend from college is a senior official in one of the organizations (which runs a large casino in I think three states). I remember being in a conversation with him on this and when asked if it bothered him he answered something to the effect of "as long as people bet on the team, I don't care what the name is." He was, of course, joking, but I think this is a big issue for a small number of people. I can't imagine even one mind being changed by this.
Agreed. The majority just aren't buying into it. Although, what Mike Huckabee said on Fox News yesterday was pretty funny. "I don't care what the Redskins call themselves, as long as they lose to the Dallas Cowboys." :lol :rollin :lol
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the evidence in those cases was fairly overwhelming that most American Indians didn't give much of a rip about the issue. Of course, that's all 20+ year old information.
Yea well most people didn't let things bother them 20 years ago. Now everyone's butthurt about somethin.
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The Redskins should have kept their name the same and just changed their logo to a potato.
I think it's been said already, but let's just rather call themselves the Red Potatoes and let their new mascot be a giant Red Potato with a face on it with stringy arms and legs coming out of it.
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Some Native Americans speak on what the Washington bRedskins & name mean to them
https://www.facebook.com/113407830067537/posts/298966071511711/
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That's interesting.
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I think Washington should change their name to the Washington Wind Talkers. That should allow them to keep their logo.
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I think Washington should change their name to the Washington Wind Talkers. That should allow them to keep their logo.
As would the Warriors. That seems like the obvious choice to me. The injun on their logo is a pretty dignified guy. I'd certainly be trying to salvage that.
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I think Washington should change their name to the Washington Wind Talkers. That should allow them to keep their logo.
As would the Warriors. That seems like the obvious choice to me. The injun on their logo is a pretty dignified guy. I'd certainly be trying to salvage that.
Can you believe they are also upset about the logo. I literally Facepalmed when someone I know, who is an active native activist, mentioned that.
She also confirmed, it's mainly the younger generation that are upset. That shows a lot to me, because we are told to listen and respect our elders. Many, would likely agree, it's just a blip in the larger war.
The Wind Talkers is a great one, and I'd rather prefer that if they want to also, show military respect. This shows how Natives were vastly important during Americas fight in WWII.
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I think Washington should change their name to the Washington Wind Talkers. That should allow them to keep their logo.
As would the Warriors. That seems like the obvious choice to me. The injun on their logo is a pretty dignified guy. I'd certainly be trying to salvage that.
Can you believe they are also upset about the logo. I literally Facepalmed when someone I know, who is an active native activist, mentioned that.
She also confirmed, it's mainly the younger generation that are upset. That shows a lot to me, because we are told to listen and respect our elders. Many, would likely agree, it's just a blip in the larger war.
The Wind Talkers is a great one, and I'd rather prefer that if they want to also, show military respect. This shows how Natives were vastly important during Americas fight in WWII.
Well, I don't have a problem with the logo but I do think it's in Washington's best interest to get this right THE FIRST TIME so I think going with the Warriors is not a good idea, even though I have no problem with it. Little Danny Snyder has run that franchise into the ground and naming them the Warriors would seem like a half assed attempt to appease those that are offended. Going with Wind Talkers, would be a slam dunk. No one would argue and it would give no one pause to challenge it which is what little Danny Snyder needs right now. Why?
Because word on the street has it that there's shit coming down that implicates Washington and little Danny Snyder in some scandal that it could cause the NFL to take his franchise away from him.
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There is. Sexual harassment.
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A local NFL reporter who frequents the radio sports talk station I listen to said that if the NFL is able to pull off a full season without significant issues during this pandemic, it will be the greatest accomplishment in the history of sports. He recognized that was a bold statement, but he still stood by it.
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Significant issues are already taking place. Hasn't the preseason already been cancelled? Half the cities will prohibit fans from attending. Roster sizes are being reduced. Training camps and preseason conditioning will be highly lacking. His bold statement seems pretty late, really.
I'm not sure why they don't operate a Club Med type of system for each team. Once the players report they're there for the next 21 weeks, or until they're done for the year. That applies to the catering, the cleaning staff, and anybody else associated with the compound. Someone leaves they're quarantined for a week when they return. There are two nice hotels within walking distance of Gillette Stadium. Welcome to your new home, boys. As far as I know they all operate their own charter flights, so contact at away games will be minimal. It'll suck, really, but when the minimum salary for these guys is over a million/yr, they can suck it up.
What bums me out about it is that we were going to see one of the great experiments in the NFL play out this year. Brady without Belichick and Belichick without Brady. How often does something like that come up? And certainly never in such a magnitude. Now it'll be tainted, and that's bad for all football fans.
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What bums me out about it is that we were going to see one of the great experiments in the NFL play out this year. Brady without Belichick and Belichick without Brady. How often does something like that come up? And certainly never in such a magnitude. Now it'll be tainted, and that's bad for all football fans.
It won't be tainted.
Speaking of experiments, none are more interesting than Brady with the Bucs, or Cam Newton in New England. These two developments are going to be fascinating to watch.
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What bums me out about it is that we were going to see one of the great experiments in the NFL play out this year. Brady without Belichick and Belichick without Brady. How often does something like that come up? And certainly never in such a magnitude. Now it'll be tainted, and that's bad for all football fans.
It won't be tainted.
Speaking of experiments, none are more interesting than Brady with the Bucs, or Cam Newton in New England. These two developments are going to be fascinating to watch.
They'd have been a helluva lot more fascinating in a normal season. This season will be anything but.
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Yeah, I guess, but we will see who is really mentally tough. Lots of obstacles to overcome.
Everyone is in the same boat, so to me, it's all the same.
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It's not when a team like KC has everything set. Same system, same coaches, same QB. N.E. could have used the preseason to work that new system with Cam at the helm.
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Aawww boo hoo Patriots fan..
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I'm not crying. Just stating facts.
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This guy, whoever the hell he is, didn't even put the Pats on his list.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/what-11-nfl-teams-will-be-hurt-by-no-preseason-games/ss-BB171L3B?li=BB15ms5q#image=12
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I'll assume he has a high regard for Bill Belichick. I understand that. Still, Tom Brady and Cam Newton are 2 polar opposite QB's so this will be a whole new offense and with no training camp and no preseason it has to affect them.
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Well, I don't think it matters. They weren't overtaking the Chiefs for the 1 seed even with Brady. With Newton, they're at worst the #3 team, behind the Ravens.
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Well, I don't think it matters. They weren't overtaking the Chiefs for the 1 seed even with Brady. With Newton, they're at worst the #3 team, behind the Ravens.
1 game playoffs. Anything can happen.
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Yeah, but it's only the 1 that gets a bye? Is that right. They weren't getting that anyway.
By the time the Pats get to the playoffs, they'll have it figured out. Like I said, I don't discount them at all with a healthy Newton.
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Yeah, I guess, but we will see who is really mentally tough. Lots of obstacles to overcome.
Everyone is in the same boat, so to me, it's all the same.
'Mental toughness"? Well, that rules out the Cam Newton scenario. I am so not happy about that. Still stewing about it, in fact. ANYONE but Cam Newton.
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Yeah, but it's only the 1 that gets a bye? Is that right. They weren't getting that anyway.
By the time the Pats get to the playoffs, they'll have it figured out. Like I said, I don't discount them at all with a healthy Newton.
There's the $64,000 question, right there. :tdwn
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So, Stadler, how do you really feel? :lol
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Can Newton is the Winger of the NFL.
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Now you're speaking my language brother! :lol
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:lol
Yeah, I'm not too thrilled either.
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And this just in - they are going with - The Washington Football Team.
Granted, it's temporary but still - WEAK! :loser:
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Reminds me of NE Coach from Madden.
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Reminds me of NE Coach from Madden.
I forgot The Hoodie isn't part of the NFLCA. Only him. :lol
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The Washington Football Team....
The internet is going to have a fucking field day with this one. It's kind of marketing genius though, they can sell a shit ton of this name's merch, which will get gobbled up due to the novelty of it, then they'll re-up the sales next year when the new team name is announced.
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The Washington Football Team....
The internet is going to have a fucking field day with this one. It's kind of marketing genius though, they can sell a shit ton of this name's merch, which will get gobbled up due to the novelty of it, then they'll re-up the sales next year when the new team name is announced.
That's an interesting theory. I'm not sure I buy it, though. Merch is part of the shared revenue. Lil Danny's 1/32nd share of the novelty gear won't be enough to offset what changing names twice will cost him. It actually would be a pretty cool jersey to own, though.
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The Washington Football Team....
The internet is going to have a fucking field day with this one. It's kind of marketing genius though, they can sell a shit ton of this name's merch, which will get gobbled up due to the novelty of it, then they'll re-up the sales next year when the new team name is announced.
That's an interesting theory. I'm not sure I buy it, though. Merch is part of the shared revenue. Lil Danny's 1/32nd share of the novelty gear won't be enough to offset what changing names twice will cost him. It actually would be a pretty cool jersey to own, though.
True that, it'll be an interesting story to follow nonetheless.
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I thought of it, I've heard people on the radio and ESPN who mentioned that, with the initials 'WFT' one needs to be careful not calling them the 'WTFs'.
I'm sure plenty of DC fans have said 'WTF' during Snyder's reign of hell.
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I actually kind of like it. It's old school. Remember "The New York Football Giants"? (If I remember correctly, the legal entity was never changed and is still that.)
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I actually kind of like it. It's old school. Remember "The New York Football Giants"? (If I remember correctly, the legal entity was never changed and is still that.)
Didn't know that. I figured it was just something that blowhard Berman started saying.
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Yeah but it still has the word "Giants" in it.
The equivalent is The New York Football Team."
It sounds like someone who doesn't know sports talking about sports.
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I actually kind of like it. It's old school. Remember "The New York Football Giants"? (If I remember correctly, the legal entity was never changed and is still that.)
Didn't know that. I figured it was just something that blowhard Berman started saying.
Huh, me too!
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Remember "The New York Football Giants"? (If I remember correctly, the legal entity was never changed and is still that.)
Chris Berman (and, before him, Howard Cosell) won't let anyone forget that name (and yes, it's still the team's corporate name).
Frankly, I think the New York Giants' trademark registrations (along with those of the Jets and the MLB Angels) should be cancelled because they are primarily geographically deceptively misdescriptive. 15 U.S.C. section 1052(e).
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The San Francisco Giants were originally based in New York. Thus the distinction.
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The San Francisco Giants were originally based in New York. Thus the distinction.
Winner.
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There have also been pro teams in the same baseball cities known as the Brooklyn Dodgers, New York Yankees, Boston Braves, most recently St. Louis Cardinals......to somewhat feed off of baseball's popularity because the NFL needed the publicity long ago (though St.Louis moved from Chicago). Times certainly changed.
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The San Francisco Giants were originally based in New York. Thus the distinction.
Ummm...duh. But I think most folks are aware that the baseball team moved to San Francisco 60+ years ago, thereby rendering the distinction unnecessary.
Does Berman still refer to the Cardinals as "the St. Louis Baseball Cardinals"?
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You really think he did that to let is know that fact? :lol
Berman was just showboating. Doing his Berman thing.
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Berman still around? :lol
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Doing car insurance or warranty ads. I always wonder why people who must have socked away a bunch of money feel the need to lower themselves for various commercials like that.
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Doing car insurance or warranty ads. I always wonder why people who must have socked away a bunch of money feel the need to lower themselves for various commercials like that.
Royalties......Income after their career slows down.
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Doing car insurance or warranty ads. I always wonder why people who must have socked away a bunch of money feel the need to lower themselves for various commercials like that.
Who you thinking of? Some commercials are duds, but if you're thinking of Aaron Rodgers and the State Farm commercials, those are kind of funny. "Well played, State Farm!"
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So one of the vendors in my store mentioned that Cam Newton is looking at a house in his town.
He said at the town meeting, someone is requesting the installation of a helicopter pad.
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So one of the vendors in my store mentioned that Cam Newton is looking at a house in his town.
He said at the town meeting, someone is requesting the installation of a helicopter pad.
Are you fucking kidding me? Someone clearly hasn't learned even an ounce of humility. CUT HIM, BILL. CUT HIM. This is Antonio Brown Part Deux.
Maybe it's Bill's ploy to see if there are any leaders on the team willing to step up and call this clown out. Helicopter. Please.
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So one of the vendors in my store mentioned that Cam Newton is looking at a house in his town.
He said at the town meeting, someone is requesting the installation of a helicopter pad.
Are you fucking kidding me? Someone clearly hasn't learned even an ounce of humility. CUT HIM, BILL. CUT HIM. This is Antonio Brown Part Deux.
Maybe it's Bill's ploy to see if there are any leaders on the team willing to step up and call this clown out. Helicopter. Please.
Not sure what the problem is. I doubt Bill will, either. His concern is making sure everybody gets there on time, so this is probably a good move.
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When the Pats go 11-5 with Cam, I can't wait for Stadler to bumble his way through commas, semi colons, and parenthesis to acknowledge Newton's contributions.
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Alex Smith has been cleared to resume football activities, and this is a very good thing. The expectation was that it was never going to happen. All of us football fans see an injury and we view it as "eh, that should only be a game or two," or "damn, he's probably gone for the season." We resign ourselves to that and football just keeps right on going. Five minutes later it's 3rd and 6 after a punt. The next week we're vested in how his replacement is doing. In Alex Smith's case there was the added intrigue of Theisman, who tweeted about it 90 seconds after the *snap*. A week later we're all amazed by the coincidence that the same thing happens to Colt McCoy. Alex Smith is just an anonymous quarterback in limbo. Back in real life, though, he's struggling to survive the night. Dude spent 9 months fighting off necrotizing fascilitis and the occasional bout of sepsis. Eight times they had to cut back necrotic skin around the fracture, until it was mostly just bone. He stood a decent chance of dying and an excellent chance of losing his leg. The odds of him gaining full use of that leg again were pert near zero. And here he is. I have no idea if he's capable of playing football again, but getting this far is damned admirable.
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Alex Smith has been cleared to resume football activities, and this is a very good thing. The expectation was that it was never going to happen. All of us football fans see an injury and we view it as "eh, that should only be a game or two," or "damn, he's probably gone for the season." We resign ourselves to that and football just keeps right on going. Five minutes later it's 3rd and 6 after a punt. The next week we're vested in how his replacement is doing. In Alex Smith's case there was the added intrigue of Theisman, who tweeted about it 90 seconds after the *snap*. A week later we're all amazed by the coincidence that the same thing happens to Colt McCoy. Alex Smith is just an anonymous quarterback in limbo. Back in real life, though, he's struggling to survive the night. Dude spent 9 months fighting off necrotizing fascilitis and the occasional bout of sepsis. Eight times they had to cut back necrotic skin around the fracture, until it was mostly just bone. He stood a decent chance of dying and an excellent chance of losing his leg. The odds of him gaining full use of that leg again were pert near zero. And here he is. I have no idea if he's capable of playing football again, but getting this far is damned admirable.
If Alex Smith plays even one snap again, he’s a football legend. Hell as far as I’m concerned, he already is.
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I read an article about him a while back and posted it here. I do not follow the league as closely as many of you, and did not realize he was injured that badly.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-agree-to-trade-all-pro-safety-jamal-adams-to-seahawks
FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!
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Not surprising.
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Now that I read the details of the trade I’m a little less furious. Two first rounders, a third rounder, and a player of the same position for the best safety in the league and a fourth rounder is good.
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It's exactly what that team needs. He was poison right now. They got great value.
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It's exactly what that team needs. He was poison right now. They got great value.
I wish these defensive backs would stop acting like they deserve QB money. Revis did the same shit, and although he was a more valuable talent than Adams, he still wasn’t worth the hassle like an elite QB is.
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I remember the Revis hold out. Their shelf life is so much shorter. I do understand them wanting to get paid but to shoot yourself out of town is something we are seeing so much more of late.
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Honestly, can't be mad with this trade. When the offseason started, I was all about extending Jamal Adams. I loved (and still love) his game on the field, and aside from his little tantrum at the trading deadline this past season he had been good in the locker room as well. I'd have had no problem with them making him the highest paid safety in the league. Then covid happened. Given the massive uncertainty about league operations this season and the salary cap for next season (estimates that if they follow the letter of the law it could be as much as 70-80 million dollars less than this year, though I think the expectation is they would make temporary changes rather than cut the cap that much), it would be completely irresponsible to pay give a safety a big contract extension when you have him under contract for at least two more years. Aside from being fiscally irresponsible on its own, it would leave them no choice but to extend Darnold next offseason, because if you can extend a safety after three years in this offseason you have no room not to extend your QB next year after his third season. Given all the noise he's been making the last month, I'm shocked that we got as much as we did from Seattle. That's not to say that Joe Douglas is blameless. He probably could have handled communication better, they hadn't even gotten to the point of talking money before this happened, and if he was going to move Adams this offseason it would have been nice to get back assets to use in this year's draft, but still overall I think he handled it decently.
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I remember the Revis hold out. Their shelf life is so much shorter. I do understand them wanting to get paid but to shoot yourself out of town is something we are seeing so much more of late.
As long as Jamal Adams doesn’t end up in New England next year (Miami or Buffalo would suck too but I’m comparing him to Revis who went to the Pats after a year in Tampa) then I’m good.
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When the Pats go 11-5 with Cam, I can't wait for Stadler to bumble his way through commas, semi colons, and parenthesis to acknowledge Newton's contributions.
I promise you that won't happen. I'm a fairweather Carolina fan (I lived there for a couple years and enjoyed watching Jake Delhomme and the rest of the Panthers play) so I tend to root for them if nothing else is in play, and yet I rooted for a loss from game one in their 15-1 season, and was quite happy when the cards finally fell against Denver. I'm not a homer in that sense; I didn't care for the Chad Johnson experiment, and I was (and still am) against the Antonio Brown debacle.
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So one of the vendors in my store mentioned that Cam Newton is looking at a house in his town.
He said at the town meeting, someone is requesting the installation of a helicopter pad.
Are you fucking kidding me? Someone clearly hasn't learned even an ounce of humility. CUT HIM, BILL. CUT HIM. This is Antonio Brown Part Deux.
Maybe it's Bill's ploy to see if there are any leaders on the team willing to step up and call this clown out. Helicopter. Please.
Not sure what the problem is. I doubt Bill will, either. His concern is making sure everybody gets there on time, so this is probably a good move.
It's... I don't know what the word is. Optics? Philosophy? It smacks of prima donna and entitlement. The best Patriots are meat and potatoes, lunch pail players, not "helicopters". Granted it was one day out of thousands, but I went to the Pats' facility one year during preseason, and I remember driving by and seeing Bill's blue Volvo XC70 and Tom's Escalade (one of his gifts from either the MVP or the Super Bowl MVP, and not the "stretch" that he sold recently) snug in their parking spots. To me, if you're a maligned player with something to prove, you don't separate yourself from the rest of the team right out the gate. He's not even assured of being the starter, let alone the star and/or leader. I think that's having priorities in the wrong spot, but that's me. I also live in the 1950's sometimes when it comes to sports. :)
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I've kind of been following the NFL news, especially around the Chiefs however I just don't really see a season happening. I wish they'd just call it and give everyone the year off to recover physically and hopefully come back the next year in great shape. Same with College. Just grant everyone a 'Team Redshirt' and move on.
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I've kind of been following the NFL news, especially around the Chiefs however I just don't really see a season happening. I wish they'd just call it and give everyone the year off to recover physically and hopefully come back the next year in great shape. Same with College. Just grant everyone a 'Team Redshirt' and move on.
Shout out to KC OL Laurent Duvernay-Tardif for opting out of this upcoming (supposed) football season to continue his work on the frontline fighting the corona.
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At the rate things are going this has all the makings of a strike year. The Patriots have five key starters opting out so far, and I see plenty of others around the league following suit. This will be a season with an asterisk next to it, which is a real shame for a variety of people. If KC steamrolls the league for another ring will it really be the same? Brady and Belichick both trying to prove themselves without the other. Lamar Jackson trying to progress further still. Three teams opening new stadiums. I guess there would never be a good year for an asterisk season, but this one seems particularly annoying. I'm not sure if cancelling the season would be the better move, but I don't really see it being worse.
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We'll see how the MLB handles their current covid outbreak, but I'm thinking if the NFL can't do a bubble, which is significantly more difficult given the amount of people on each team, I'm not sure how they can have a season. But you are right, this does suck for all the current "storylines" happening that we might not get to see play out.
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We'll see how the MLB handles their current covid outbreak, but I'm thinking if the NFL can't do a bubble, which is significantly more difficult given the amount of people on each team, I'm not sure how they can have a season. But you are right, this does suck for all the current "storylines" happening that we might not get to see play out.
I think they could. I just don't think the players would like it. Every stadium in the league has nice hotels not too far away. Buy them out for six months. Schedule all the games for 1300, so there's time to fly in and back out for every visiting team without much disruption. Put housekeeping and catering on the team payroll, so they don't have to leave the compound, either. If someone leaves they get quarantined for a few days.
In the end, though, I think this is a lot of work for a season that won't really count anyway.
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I talked to a friend of mine that has a son in the bigs, and MLB is struggling. They have the 30 man rosters*, and they have a 30 man "auxiliary" roster, since the minor league seasons have been cancelled. So you don't have that luxury of rehabbing players, or having players keep "game ready" through extended minor league stays. Plus, you factor in that if a COVID outbreak happens on a team, you can wipe out a good portion of a roster really quickly (I think the Marlins had, what, 12 players test positive?) you're going to see two things: players balk at exposure and the quality of the game diminish rapidly. I don't know if that serves anyone at this point.
* Don't quote me on the exact number; it was the number he said, and I didn't check it yet.
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I just went over to espn.com and this is the headline article which is relevant to this discussion
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29551519/no-bubble-2020-nfl-season-why-league-consider-next (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29551519/no-bubble-2020-nfl-season-why-league-consider-next)
In theory, a market bubble would prevent everyone from coming into contact with the virus. In practice, the league and its players ultimately decided it was both undesirable and unrealistic in the structure of a 16-game season.
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At the rate things are going this has all the makings of a strike year. The Patriots have five key starters opting out so far, and I see plenty of others around the league following suit. This will be a season with an asterisk next to it, which is a real shame for a variety of people. If KC steamrolls the league for another ring will it really be the same? Brady and Belichick both trying to prove themselves without the other. Lamar Jackson trying to progress further still. Three teams opening new stadiums. I guess there would never be a good year for an asterisk season, but this one seems particularly annoying. I'm not sure if cancelling the season would be the better move, but I don't really see it being worse.
I’m with ya. I was super-hyped for this season but am getting more apprehensive every minute. Returning a really good D and having our QB back who can actually get the receivers the ball, it was going to be an exciting year . . .
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All these Patriots opting out really sucks, I was looking forward to rooting for them to go 16-0.
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Brady is the big loser here. One can argue that a season of "rest" for guys like Jackson and Mahomes can only help, provided they spend the time wisely. Clock is ticking on Brady. He's already going to be one of only FIVE QBs to ever play at age 43 (trivia for the other four; all household names. two Hall Of Famers) and the seasons for those four are all lackluster:
QB 1: 1-3 20 yds, no TDs (This was his second-to-last year; last year: 15-34 208 yds, 0 TDs, 0 INTs for a team that went 7-9)
QB 2: 5-10 29 yds, no TDs (This was his final year)
QB 3: 2-3 29 yds, 1 TDs (This was his second-to-last year; last year: 94-172 952 yds, 5 TDs, 6 INTs for a team that went 7-9)
QB 4: 29-55 461 yds, 6 TDs 5 INTs (He played a few more years and went 39-80 494 yds, 6 TDs and 7 INTs backing up a Hall Of Famer)
(More trivia: one other guy came out of retirement at 44 and went 30-59 for 369 yds, 3 TDs, 1 INT as backup for a team that went to the Super Bowl).
These are not Brady numbers.
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I got two of them. And yeah, Brady's the loser here. Even if he excels there's still the problem of this being a pseudo-season.
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Moon, Testaverde, De Berg, and I'm drawing a blank on the fourth.
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QB 1: Warren Moon (Kansas City Chiefs, 1999; his final year was 2000 also with the Chiefs)
QB 2:
QB 3: Vinnie Testaverde (New England Patriots, 2006; his final year was 2007 with the Carolina Panthers)
QB 4:
The "One Other Guy": Steve DeBerg (Atlanta Falcons, 1998)
Hints for the other two: both have achieved notoriety of varying degrees (one more than the other) for their kicking game and both have varying degrees of connection (the other more than the one) to Brady himself.
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Flutie?
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Doug Flutie
QB 1: Warren Moon (Kansas City Chiefs, 1999; his final year was 2000 also with the Chiefs)
QB 2: Doug Flutie (New England Patriots, 2005; his final year)
QB 3: Vinnie Testaverde (New England Patriots, 2006; his final year was 2007 with the Carolina Panthers)
QB 4:
The "One Other Guy": Steve DeBerg (Atlanta Falcons, 1998)
Flutie drop-kicked an extra point attempt (successfully) in that last season, the first time since 1940-somthing that that had been done.
Hints for the last guy: achieved as much (if not more) notoriety for his kicking game.
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Doug Flutie
QB 1: Warren Moon (Kansas City Chiefs, 1999; his final year was 2000 also with the Chiefs)
QB 2: Doug Flutie (New England Patriots, 2005; his final year)
QB 3: Vinnie Testaverde (New England Patriots, 2006; his final year was 2007 with the Carolina Panthers)
QB 4:
The "One Other Guy": Steve DeBerg (Atlanta Falcons, 1998)
Flutie drop-kicked an extra point attempt (successfully) in that last season, the first time since 1940-somthing that that had been done.
Hints for the last guy: achieved as much (if not more) notoriety for his kicking game.
I can't remember the name but he played for the Raiders and was an American Indian?
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Danny White.
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Doug Flutie
QB 1: Warren Moon (Kansas City Chiefs, 1999; his final year was 2000 also with the Chiefs)
QB 2: Doug Flutie (New England Patriots, 2005; his final year)
QB 3: Vinnie Testaverde (New England Patriots, 2006; his final year was 2007 with the Carolina Panthers)
QB 4:
The "One Other Guy": Steve DeBerg (Atlanta Falcons, 1998)
Flutie drop-kicked an extra point attempt (successfully) in that last season, the first time since 1940-somthing that that had been done.
Hints for the last guy: achieved as much (if not more) notoriety for his kicking game.
I can't remember the name but he played for the Raiders and was an American Indian?
OK - I was thinking Jim Plunkett but you're prolly talking about George Blanda.
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George Blanda
QB 1: Warren Moon (Kansas City Chiefs, 1999; his final year was 2000 also with the Chiefs)
QB 2: Doug Flutie (New England Patriots, 2005; his final year)
QB 3: Vinnie Testaverde (New England Patriots, 2006; his final year was 2007 with the Carolina Panthers)
QB 4: George Blanda (Oakland Raiders, 1970; his final year was 1975 with the Oakland Raiders at age 48).
The "One Other Guy": Steve DeBerg (Atlanta Falcons, 1998)
The "affiliation" with Brady was that Brady grew up in San Mateo, and while he was a 49ers/Montana fan, the Oakland Raiders were the other local team, just across the bay from San Fran.
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My guesses were (before reading the subsequent posts in this thread)
George Blanda
Vinnie Testaverde
Vince Evans
Steve DeBerg
I've since looked it up, and I got three of the top five oldest quarterbacks in NFL history (Vince Evans is somewhere in the top 20, but not in the top 10). And I see what you're doing with DeBerg, who, while playing at age 44, didn't play while he was 43.
I'm not sure any of the top four are "household names" (unless you're only looking at households that are home to football fans over the age of 40-45). Honorable mention needs to go to the NFL's second-oldest QB of all time, John Nesser, who, at the age of 45 in 1921, played for the Columbus Panhandles (yes, it was an NFL team, although it was before the NFL was called the NFL, and, when he was 43, it wasn't even the APFA yet).
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Danny White.
He was only 36 when he last played in 1988.
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Flutie and Moon were the two I had. I kind of assumed Favre qualified, but whiffed on that one. Vinnie and Blanda never would have occurred to me, and I'd pretty much forgotten that DeBerg ever even existed.
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Danny White.
He was only 36 when he last played in 1988.
My memory is fuzzy. Lol
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I may have let my geography play in; Flutie and Testaverde are very much household names here, because of Boston College and the Jets, respectively. For me, growing up a fan of the Raiders - Madden, Stabler, Biletnikoff, etc. - Blanda was also well known.
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I may have let my geography play in; Flutie and Testaverde are very much household names here, because of Boston College and the Jets, respectively. For me, growing up a fan of the Raiders - Madden, Stabler, Biletnikoff, etc. - Blanda was also well known.
Again, you have to be clear about which households you're surveying. My wife and I established a rule a long time ago: an athlete isn't "famous" unless she's heard of him, and an actor/actress isn't "famous" unless I've heard of him/her. Without asking her, the only person mentioned in the last several posts that she for sure knows (besides Brady) is Flutie.
While Blanda was before my time, I had a book when I was a kid that had short bios of probably 15-20 NFL greats, so I learned a bit about guys like Blanda, Sammy Baugh, Bronco Nagurski, etc.
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I may have let my geography play in; Flutie and Testaverde are very much household names here, because of Boston College and the Jets, respectively. For me, growing up a fan of the Raiders - Madden, Stabler, Biletnikoff, etc. - Blanda was also well known.
Again, you have to be clear about which households you're surveying. My wife and I established a rule a long time ago: an athlete isn't "famous" unless she's heard of him, and an actor/actress isn't "famous" unless I've heard of him/her. Without asking her, the only person mentioned in the last several posts that she for sure knows (besides Brady) is Flutie.
While Blanda was before my time, I had a book when I was a kid that had short bios of probably 15-20 NFL greats, so I learned a bit about guys like Blanda, Sammy Baugh, Bronco Nagurski, etc.
That's fair. I'm not arguing with you. (And we have a similar game, especially when watching "celebrity" versions of TV shows. It's a running gag that I don't see any difference between the regular version and the celebrity version.)
If it matters I did the same check: Warren Moon, Doug Flutie: Yes. Vinnie Testaverde: Name sounds familiar. George Blanda, Steve DeBerg: Who?
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For me, growing up a fan of the Raiders - Madden, Stabler, Biletnikoff, etc. -
Me too! Dave Casper was my favorite player.
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Me too! Dave Casper was my favorite player.
Many years ago, Playboy had an article on the Raiders back in the day. Those guys were crazy ass motherfuckers man! I think it was Biletnikoff who got so nervous before a game that he chained smoked up until he was introduced by the announcer. Then there's the story of a defensive lineman (It may have been Lyle Alzado but don't hold me to that) who broke his leg during a game but kept playing. Years later the leg had to be amputated because it never healed correctly and he basically said, 'go ahead and take it off, I got another'. The article was full of those stories and somehow I lost that issue.
That era of the Raiders were freaking crazy!
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I have Ken Stabler's autobiography Snake, and it's more of a hardcover version of the Penthouse Forum than it is a book about football.
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I loved that about those guys. You know full well that a third of that team had liquor on their breath when they took the field on any given Sunday. And yet they won. "Just win, baby." Not sustainable, of course, and impossible to do today, but fun for what it was.
When I worked up in Erie, Biletnikoff was sort of a local idol. His old high school's field is named after him and has a big sign. I think I worked with his nephew, too.
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http://komonews.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-cut-rookie-caught-trying-to-sneak-woman-into-team-hotel
Epic.
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Yeah what a moron. I know self-control is a dirty word these days, but my goodness. Nice job of sabotaging your career.
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http://komonews.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-cut-rookie-caught-trying-to-sneak-woman-into-team-hotel
Epic.
I'd say you've got to be at least a 3rd rounder to get away with that. This kid was a UFA, FFS.
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Anyone else catch the first episode of Hard Knocks? This year they are doing Los Angeles, so both teams. It's pretty interesting seeing everything they are doing in the wake of the coronavirus.
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Yeah, being a Rams fan I'm watching. I'm soaking up all the camp live streams also. Hey, who knows how much if any actual football we get this year so we better soak it up. :lol
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Yeah, being a Rams fan I'm watching. I'm soaking up all the camp live streams also. Hey, who knows how much if any actual football we get this year so we better soak it up. :lol
Exactly :lol
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Boy, Dan Snyder is probably happier than anyone that these MLB/NBA protests happened today. More disparaging news about his alleged creepiness got bumped off the front page.
And if you were planning on a full "normal" NFL season, you can forget about it. Settle in for more protests, forfeits, cancelled games... Settle in, this crazy sports year is far from over.
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How is it that little Danny Snyder still owns a pro football team? ???
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With the understanding (I hope) that I'm being a little facetious...
All the drama with baseball, ignored. I don't watch until the playoffs, and honestly, lately, not until the World Series. I just have no interest. All the drama with basketball, ignored. I don't watch pro hoops at all, not even if there's nothing else on. BO-ring, and the "protests" register exactly 0 on the "care meter" (in fact I think they're counterproductive). Hockey... well, I'm always interested in playoff hockey, but the round-robin thing is a little confusing, so I'm waffling, at least until the end if there's a team I like.
But all my eggs are in the NFL basket. I even (usually) watch the preseason games, and will watch at least a game a day on Mon, Thurs, and Sun. But I just... I'm struggling to get interested. I want to watch FOOTBALL, not have every game be a civics or medical drama. I wonder how this is going to play out, and I wonder how this is going to impact the actual game on the field?
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With the understanding (I hope) that I'm being a little facetious...
All the drama with baseball, ignored. I don't watch until the playoffs, and honestly, lately, not until the World Series. I just have no interest. All the drama with basketball, ignored. I don't watch pro hoops at all, not even if there's nothing else on. BO-ring, and the "protests" register exactly 0 on the "care meter" (in fact I think they're counterproductive). Hockey... well, I'm always interested in playoff hockey, but the round-robin thing is a little confusing, so I'm waffling, at least until the end if there's a team I like.
But all my eggs are in the NFL basket. I even (usually) watch the preseason games, and will watch at least a game a day on Mon, Thurs, and Sun. But I just... I'm struggling to get interested. I want to watch FOOTBALL, not have every game be a civics or medical drama. I wonder how this is going to play out, and I wonder how this is going to impact the actual game on the field?
I'm not that different. Football is my favorite sport and it's really the only sport where I will watch other games not relating to my team. There's a huge part of me that really wants this season to play on as if normal (minus the crowds) and I am looking forward to it, but there is the other part of me, the covid depressed part of me, that just feel like I don't even care if this season happens or not. That may also just relate to the fact that my team is destined to be garbage again this year :lol but I do think my general feelings at this time of not really being excited about anything coming up in the future play a role as well.
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If two players wanted to fuck with NFL statisticians, it'd be funny if they both held on to the football while crossing the goal line. If the NFL has some obscure rule to break the tie over whom is credited with the TD like the guy who had the ball first gets credit then it'd be funny if they thought ahead and somehow succeeded in having the QB lob the ball to them in some completely unlikely play where both are open in the corner of the endzone and they both catch it simultaneously.
Also, I just realized how despite the Dolphins' win over the Bears in 1985 to end their perfect season bid was generally exciting, the actual scoring plays, themselves, were surprisingly bland. Of the 62 points scored in that game, 34 occurred on field goals or 1-yard TD runs.
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I want to watch FOOTBALL, not have every game be a civics or medical drama.
This is not your year then.
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I want to watch FOOTBALL, not have every game be a civics or medical drama.
This is not your year then.
You have no idea. :)
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I'm here for it. Too many non-POC people get to use sports as an escape from their reality which isn't remotely as stressful as the average POC's reality is. The fact that the majority of the NFL and NBA are people representing those demographics makes it 100% fine imo for them to use their platform as they see fit. Most of the "Life is tough, suck it up, kid.", "Play the hand your dealt.", etc. people will defend the abhorrent business practices of corporate America because "Anyone can make it if they work hard." and act like there's no problem with corporations using leverage to unfair extents yet all of that defense of leverage being an earned thing goes out the window once it's POC turning the tables.
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I'm here for it. Too many non-POC people get to use sports as an escape from their reality which isn't remotely as stressful as the average POC's reality is. The fact that the majority of the NFL and NBA are people representing those demographics makes it 100% fine imo for them to use their platform as they see fit. Most of the "Life is tough, suck it up, kid.", "Play the hand your dealt.", etc. people will defend the abhorrent business practices of corporate America because "Anyone can make it if they work hard." and act like there's no problem with corporations using leverage to unfair extents yet all of that defense of leverage being an earned thing goes out the window once it's POC turning the tables.
I'm sympathetic to the cause up to a point. It's statements like that that demark the line for me. Notwithstanding the "walk a mile in my shoes" concept, the whole underlying premise of tolerance is to understand that for all of us there is struggle of various forms and fashions. To try to put objective measure on things like that, things that have no real standard of measure, doesn't help the process of understanding.
As for the rest, well, agree to disagree; that's one way of looking at it, but it just sounds a lot like finger pointing to me.
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I'm here for it. Too many non-POC people get to use sports as an escape from their reality which isn't remotely as stressful as the average POC's reality is. The fact that the majority of the NFL and NBA are people representing those demographics makes it 100% fine imo for them to use their platform as they see fit. Most of the "Life is tough, suck it up, kid.", "Play the hand your dealt.", etc. people will defend the abhorrent business practices of corporate America because "Anyone can make it if they work hard." and act like there's no problem with corporations using leverage to unfair extents yet all of that defense of leverage being an earned thing goes out the window once it's POC turning the tables.
This. All of this.
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I'm here for it. Too many non-POC people get to use sports as an escape from their reality which isn't remotely as stressful as the average POC's reality is. The fact that the majority of the NFL and NBA are people representing those demographics makes it 100% fine imo for them to use their platform as they see fit. Most of the "Life is tough, suck it up, kid.", "Play the hand your dealt.", etc. people will defend the abhorrent business practices of corporate America because "Anyone can make it if they work hard." and act like there's no problem with corporations using leverage to unfair extents yet all of that defense of leverage being an earned thing goes out the window once it's POC turning the tables.
I'm sympathetic to the cause up to a point. It's statements like that that demark the line for me. Notwithstanding the "walk a mile in my shoes" concept, the whole underlying premise of tolerance is to understand that for all of us there is struggle of various forms and fashions. To try to put objective measure on things like that, things that have no real standard of measure, doesn't help the process of understanding.
As for the rest, well, agree to disagree; that's one way of looking at it, but it just sounds a lot like finger pointing to me.
POC have to fear for their lives EVERY day of their life. It's not even just behind the wheel anymore. They can't even hide in their houses from it since that woman was killed while playing PS4, being shot at numerous times, and don't even get me started on Breonna Taylor. This stuff is happening to POC at an appallingly disproportionate clip compared to non-POCs. There's your "real standard of measure". Ignore it if you wish to.
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There is a bit of a two-way street here that is not being fully acknowledged in the press. We are being told the players have no obligation to perform for the consumer if they feel more inclined to protest. The other side of that coin is that the consumer is under no obligation to patronize a business should they decide not to. If the NFL (or NBA, or Ike's Smokeshop down the street) wants to place a focus on social justice, or turn their product in to a 'civics or medical drama', they can't condemn or denounce those who might choose to seek out their entertainment elsewhere. Both have to be acceptable, or neither is acceptable.
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I'm here for it. Too many non-POC people get to use sports as an escape from their reality which isn't remotely as stressful as the average POC's reality is. The fact that the majority of the NFL and NBA are people representing those demographics makes it 100% fine imo for them to use their platform as they see fit. Most of the "Life is tough, suck it up, kid.", "Play the hand your dealt.", etc. people will defend the abhorrent business practices of corporate America because "Anyone can make it if they work hard." and act like there's no problem with corporations using leverage to unfair extents yet all of that defense of leverage being an earned thing goes out the window once it's POC turning the tables.
I'm sympathetic to the cause up to a point. It's statements like that that demark the line for me. Notwithstanding the "walk a mile in my shoes" concept, the whole underlying premise of tolerance is to understand that for all of us there is struggle of various forms and fashions. To try to put objective measure on things like that, things that have no real standard of measure, doesn't help the process of understanding.
As for the rest, well, agree to disagree; that's one way of looking at it, but it just sounds a lot like finger pointing to me.
POC have to fear for their lives EVERY day of their life. It's not even just behind the wheel anymore. They can't even hide in their houses from it since that woman was killed while playing PS4, being shot at numerous times, and don't even get me started on Breonna Taylor. This stuff is happening to POC at an appallingly disproportionate clip compared to non-POCs. There's your "real standard of measure". Ignore it if you wish to.
This has really been bothering me since I read it. I think this is dangerous thinking that is perpetuating the problem. Not being critical of YOU personally, but the IDEA.
The reality is that there are about 55,000,000 encounters with police every year (https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6406). If you follow the demographics, that means 7,435,000 are African American. (If you believe the narrative, that number is low, so we'll stick with it, since it then would be best case as we walk through the math). Last year, it is reported that 235 African Americans were killed by police (https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/). Many suspect that is low, so if it pleases you, we can double that number, and it will still allow the point as we walk through the math. Let's use 400 for round numbers.
If you're an African American, you have a 0.00538% chance of being killed by a cop. 54 out of a 1,000,000. We've already stated that that number is likely high. At even 10% higher for the African Americans stopped, we're at 49 out of 1,000,000. if you use the ratio of deaths (235 out of 1000, or 23.5%; that's 12,925,000 African Americans encountering police), we're at 31 out of 1,000,000.
Compare to this (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact-check-bar-graph-black-white-homi/fact-check-misleading-bar-graph-presents-distorted-interpretation-of-black-and-white-murder-rates-idUSKBN23M2SX) (using 2013 numbers; the article is intended to fact check other misleading stats. I am taking the CORRECTED numbers from a paragraph about 3/4 of the way down the article):
If you’re a white person in 2013, your chances of being murdered by another white person are approximately 11 in 1,000,000.
Your chances of being murdered by an African American are 2 in 1,000,000.
If you're a black person in 2013, your chances of being murdered by another black person are 56 in 1,000,000.
Your chances of being murdered by a white person are 5 in 1,000,000.
Now, no question that the death rate for an African American person is higher; if that's the fear, then the numbers certainly justify that. But I'm not sure why the "systemic racism" of American policing is driving this conversation; an African American is almost TWICE as likely to die by the hand of someone of his own race than that of a cop, and almost TEN TIMES as likely to die by the hand of someone of his own race than that of a white person. These numbers are appalling, no doubt, but I'm not sure for the reasons stated.
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Remember when this thread used to be about NFL football?
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Remember when this thread used to be about NFL football?
Remember when the game itself used to be about NFL football.
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Remember when this thread used to be about NFL football?
Remember when the game itself used to be about NFL football.
Remember when the players stayed in the locker room for the anthem?
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Just replying to Stadler’s great post, this is something all the black celebrities and woke folks are blatantly ignoring as usual.
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No statistics will ever justify the manner in which these people are being killed nor the fact that the murders at the most egregious levels are happening almost exclusively to POC. That's what the entire protests are about and no amount of conservative pearl clutching will change that.
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No statistics will ever justify the manner in which these people are being killed nor the fact that the murders at the most egregious levels are happening almost exclusively to POC. That's what the entire protests are about and no amount of conservative pearl clutching will change that.
And no amount of hyperbole is going to help fix the situation. The more you exaggerate things - "almost exclusively"? Not in any definition of the word are these things happening "almost exclusively" to persons of color - the less likely these things are going to actually BE fixed. You can dismiss "statistics" all you want, but that's where the solution lies, because when YOU dismiss statistics, the people you need to impress dismiss YOU.
I'm fully on board with the notion that we need to tighten accountability in certain areas. El Barto likes to point out those occasions where police reports are fabricated or exaggerated, and I couldn't agree more that that should be inexcusable. Yet I read comments and positions that just ignore the harsh realities that don't play nice with the narrative and I'm out.
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"White on white crime" and "black on black crime" aren't really things. That's just crime. I have no idea why conservatives use statistics like that and compare against police violence.
Also, you were mentioning deaths at the hands of police. Death isn't the only negative or violent outcome at the hands of the police.
But all of this should most likely be staying in P/R, not in the NFL thread.
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Sanu cut by Belichick. Once a year I say, "Wow! He cut him?!"
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Sanu cut by Belichick. Once a year I say, "Wow! He cut him?!"
I saw yesterday that he was likely not going to make it. He's essentially the same type of receiver they've already got, but lack all others.
The sad part is that this would be the ultimate year to tank for Trevor Lawrence, but I don't think Bill has it in him. The reality is that the season really won't count for much, and with the better half of his D sitting this one out he could conceivably treat the whole "season" like pre-season. The reality is that Bill's expectations are probably exactly the same this year as they were for any other. You never know, though. If there's one coach in the league that wouldn't be opposed to telling a kicker to shank a FG 20 yards out of bounds it'd be Belichick.
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The talk on the 2 sports talk stations here is Bill will not tank because that would lead to he needs Brady. Did you see the new book coming out? Seems like Kraft was the one that kept the 2 working together because they were both done with each other.
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People forget NE still plays in the AFC Least. The best opposing QB in that division is . . . Josh Allen? Yeah 10 wins is the floor.
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The talk on the 2 sports talk stations here is Bill will not tank because that would lead to he needs Brady. Did you see the new book coming out? Seems like Kraft was the one that kept the 2 working together because they were both done with each other.
In general I agree with you. However, 2020 presents the perfect opportunity to dispel that. I think it's unlikely anybody takes this year seriously in the long run. As I said a while back, this story is one of the tragedies of this season. I have a vested interest in the Bill v Tom story, and we're not going to see it play out in any meaningful way.
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I completely agree. The 6 who dropped out from Covid, the late signing of Cam in this wacky year of Covid and lack of practices and preseason. Add this receiving/TE crew.
Dream Team, I actually think the Bills are better overall and they would be lights out with a real QB.
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I completely agree. The 6 who dropped out from Covid, the late signing of Cam in this wacky year of Covid and lack of practices and preseason. Add this receiving/TE crew.
Dream Team, I actually think the Bills are better overall and they would be lights out with a real QB.
Yeah you’re right. But BB should be able to beat the other 2 a combined 4 times.
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Still have 8 games in the NFC. Check out who. Tough schedule.
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Is the Pick ‘Em pool going to happen this season?
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Was wondering that myself. EB where are you? If there is interest in a Survivor, I am happy to run that.
I think it's unlikely anybody takes this year seriously in the long run.
While I get throwing a ball around may not be the most important thing on the players' and fans' minds this fall, it would be unfortunate if this were true.
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Looks like Watson and Allen got PAID!!!
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I'll set up the pool. Just been lazy.
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I have to admit, I miss the preseason.
I always looked forward to the first three games of the preseason with special emphasis on the 3rd game as a tuneup for the starters. The 4th game was worthless with a bunch of spare players but I can see the value of playing 3 games. The preseason got me pumped for the real thing and come this Thursday, I feel like the season is already anti-climatic. Maybe I'll change my tune but I fear that because of a lack of preseason we may see a lot of star players going down with injury during the first game. I hope that's not the case.
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I have to admit, I miss the preseason.
I always looked forward to the first three games of the preseason with special emphasis on the 3rd game as a tuneup for the starters. The 4th game was worthless with a bunch of spare players but I can see the value of playing 3 games. The preseason got me pumped for the real thing and come this Thursday, I feel like the season is already anti-climatic. Maybe I'll change my tune but I fear that because of a lack of preseason we may see a lot of star players going down with injury during the first game. I hope that's not the case.
Yeah, not having any preseason games will have some effect I'm sure the first couple weeks of the season. Seeing you never scrimmage full speed making up for that loss of preseason game contact will be tough. Your 2's and 3's have zero game reps, so if needed they might be extra rusty when called upon if a starter goes down. Another factor is I feel real bad for the kids who entered into the league this year. They didn't get the benefit to put any preseason tape out there which could hurt their chances. Those preseason games can amount to their whole resume, especially the late round draft picks and UDFA's.
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I think defenses may have the edge the first couple weeks. Those athletic defensive ends and other pass rushers are going to be a handful for O-Lines that haven’t had any live game action.
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This is video game football, but Kaepernick was added to Madden. And they gave him a higher rating than Derek Carr. I'm not happy about that...
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:lol :lol
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This is video game football, but Kaepernick was added to Madden. And they gave him a higher rating than Derek Carr. I'm not happy about that...
(https://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/anubis679/NFL/raiders_suck1.jpg?width=200&height=200&crop=1:1,smart)
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This is video game football, but Kaepernick was added to Madden. And they gave him a higher rating than Derek Carr. I'm not happy about that...
For what it's worth, when's the last time Derek Carr was able to take a knee?
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This is video game football, but Kaepernick was added to Madden. And they gave him a higher rating than Derek Carr. I'm not happy about that...
(https://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/anubis679/NFL/raiders_suck1.jpg?width=200&height=200&crop=1:1,smart)
I mean, I can't really argue that they haven't for the majority of the last two decades...
But they're still my team.
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This is video game football, but Kaepernick was added to Madden. And they gave him a higher rating than Derek Carr. I'm not happy about that...
(https://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/anubis679/NFL/raiders_suck1.jpg?width=200&height=200&crop=1:1,smart)
I mean, I can't really argue that they haven't for the majority of the last two decades...
But they're still my team.
If nothing else, Raider fans are loyal -- even though the team doesn't deserve it. Since losing to Tampa Bay in SB37, the Raiders are one of only two teams to have fewer than 100 wins (92-18, .338), and have only one playoff appearance over that time. Only Cleveland has been worse (80-192, .294, and zero playoff appearances).
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Maybe I wasn't following things closely to know this, but I was a bit surprised when I turned on the game and saw fans in the crowd (sparsed out to keep distance). And I have no idea if they pumped in fan noise, but last nights game pretty much felt like any other NFL game (other than the national anthem intro). Gives me hope that this season won't be too weird.
Giants are going to be such garbage though, that may kill my interest in this season fairly quick :lol
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Chiefs didn’t even play well and they were up 31-7 at one point. They’ll be tough to stop, especially with that new RB.
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This is video game football, but Kaepernick was added to Madden. And they gave him a higher rating than Derek Carr. I'm not happy about that...
(https://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/anubis679/NFL/raiders_suck1.jpg?width=200&height=200&crop=1:1,smart)
I mean, I can't really argue that they haven't for the majority of the last two decades...
But they're still my team.
If nothing else, Raider fans are loyal -- even though the team doesn't deserve it. Since losing to Tampa Bay in SB37, the Raiders are one of only two teams to have fewer than 100 wins (92-18, .338), and have only one playoff appearance over that time. Only Cleveland has been worse (80-192, .294, and zero playoff appearances).
All teams deserve loyalty, even the bad ones. It's the bandwagon fans who are the worst. I never saw anyone wearing Patriots stuff around here before the "Bradychick" dynasty, then it was everywhere!
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If a team's ownership and/or management is not doing everything it can to bring a winning team to a city/region, it does not deserve loyalty.
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Sports is for entertainment. A sports team does not "deserve" anything from me, including my loyalty. They get my viewership and perhaps the occasional ticket and concessions revenue as long as they are providing a service I enjoy. If not, there are plenty of other things competing for my time and money.
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The only way fans can tell ownership that they are unhappy with the product us by not going to games. I do not blame fans for that.
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(https://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/anubis679/NFL/raiders_suck1.jpg?width=200&height=200&crop=1:1,smart)
This made me laugh, as it is probably taking three minutes for this official to decide whether the Raiders s*ck or not. ;) (the Browns have been mentioned, but you can insert the Lions in there as well).
Case in point: the very first review of the season, when the Chiefs first TD was correctly overruled on replay. We all saw the ball hit the ground before they went to a commercial. And then another one. And another. And another. And they were still looking at it after the break, as if waiting for the signal that the ads were over.
An aspect of the game that I despise.
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Granted I came in late (it was already 7-0 when I tuned in) but haven't seen anything from Cam that changes my mind. Right now I'm faced with the unpleasant and uncomfortable reality that my least favorite player in the league is playing for perhaps my favorite team (I also like the Giants) and my favorite coach of all time.
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A quarter and a half. It took a quarter and a half for me to completely lose hope in this season. The Jets look like a bunch of amateurs. Darnold is trying to carry this team but he’s not at the point where he can do it alone. Dropped passes from the receivers, no protection from the o-line, crippling third down penalties on defense, and unimaginative play calling from the coaching. This team is destined for a 4-12 finish, and I hope to god they don’t blame Darnold for it, because he’s really trying and it’s not his fault.
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Tom's getting a first hand lesson in the value of playing on a disciplined team. He might grown tired of it, but a lack of discipline is hurting Tampa despite his efforts. That pick had to have pissed him off. Patriots don't abandon their routes like Evans did.
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Tom's getting a first hand lesson in the value of playing on a disciplined team. He might grown tired of it, but a lack of discipline is hurting Tampa despite his efforts. That pick had to have pissed him off. Patriots don't abandon their routes like Evans did.
How about that 2nd pick?
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Actually both QBs are fully showing their age.
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Big coaching advantage for the Saints.
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Big coaching advantage for the Saints.
Nah..Peyton is the most overrated coach in the league. Do I have to go through this again??
The Bucs D blows. Tom looks awful. This was a scheduled loss though. I expect the Bucs to improve.
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Arians - 65-42-1 (.606)
Peyton - (131- 77) (.630)
Think Arians can keep it up?
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Arians - 65-42-1 (.606)
Peyton - (131- 77) (.630)
Think Arians can keep it up?
Up until the last two years, which have been very good for the Saints, they averaged a 9-7 record. I've already posted their putrid playoff performances, only making one SB with Brees, and what..2 or 3 CGs?
Fuck Peyton. Overrated!
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Tim, he was outcoached in "this" game.
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How many of us fans know the Saints tend to take chances especially when the 15 yard penalty was assessed.
Arians did not prepare his team well enough for that situation. This is one example.
He was outcoached this game.
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Tim, he was outcoached in "this" game.
OK. then.
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Tom's getting a first hand lesson in the value of playing on a disciplined team. He might grown tired of it, but a lack of discipline is hurting Tampa despite his efforts. That pick had to have pissed him off. Patriots don't abandon their routes like Evans did.
How about that 2nd pick?
That was butt ugly. :lol
Arians - 65-42-1 (.606)
Peyton - (131- 77) (.630)
Think Arians can keep it up?
Up until the last two years, which have been very good for the Saints, they averaged a 9-7 record. I've already posted their putrid playoff performances, only making one SB with Brees, and what..2 or 3 CGs?
Fuck Peyton. Overrated!
Payton's teams don't generally make the silly mental mistakes you were seeing from Tampa today. Same with NE. As ugly as that second pick was, Tom played well enough to win with a better team performance.
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That defensive off sides on 4th down is a prime example.
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Darnold, Mayfield, Haskins, Goff, Burrow, Wentz, etc., all looked pretty mediocre (or worse) yesterday, even when their teams won in some cases. Wonder what will happen tonight with Jones, Dak and Drew Lock? Not sure it's the empty stadiums, COVID-19, or what, but especially the younger QBs of the league seemed to be playing pretty poorly from what I could tell.
Of course then you have Mahomes and Jackson, etc., but we knew for sure they were good anyway.
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I think the level of play was BETTER than I expected. It's not what I would hope to see in December, but remember, there have been NO pre-season games and not a typical camp. I really expected the tackling to be out the window and it wasn't (and that kind of fits with the QBs you saw do well and those you didn't). I'm trying to be fair to Cam - no really, I am - but he falls into that. He was mediocre yesterday, but what he did do well was exactly where I expected the defenses to struggle.
I can tend to mythologize Belichick, and I admit that, but I'm convinced he had to know that. Whether Cam is his guy or not, he knew Cam was working with a limited playbook and limited time to get the McDaniels offense under his belt. That game yesterday looked almost exactly like one of the Brissett games when Brady was serving his four game suspension, and after Garappolo hurt himself.
Passing offenses - many of them - are timing, timing, timing. Especially Brady's game. He wasn't sharp yesterday, but he won't be that way come November, December.
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I think it's no surprise that the teams that looked the best were the teams that didn't go through major changes. No preseason and it's kind of expected that a lot of teams are going to need some time to gel.
I'm pretty excited to watch a sports team I actually like for the first time in 2020 tonight, but man I have no hope for any success this season for the Giants. I'll be happy if they are just competitive because they mostly weren't last year and I could desperately use a team that gives me some entertainment for the season.
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I think the level of play was BETTER than I expected. It's not what I would hope to see in December, but remember, there have been NO pre-season games and not a typical camp. I really expected the tackling to be out the window and it wasn't (and that kind of fits with the QBs you saw do well and those you didn't). I'm trying to be fair to Cam - no really, I am - but he falls into that. He was mediocre yesterday, but what he did do well was exactly where I expected the defenses to struggle.
I can tend to mythologize Belichick, and I admit that, but I'm convinced he had to know that. Whether Cam is his guy or not, he knew Cam was working with a limited playbook and limited time to get the McDaniels offense under his belt. That game yesterday looked almost exactly like one of the Brissett games when Brady was serving his four game suspension, and after Garappolo hurt himself.
Passing offenses - many of them - are timing, timing, timing. Especially Brady's game. He wasn't sharp yesterday, but he won't be that way come November, December.
The respective passing games were pretty much exactly what I expected. Brady lives and dies on trusting where his receiver will be at any given time, and he doesn't have that trust. Maybe it'll develop and maybe it won't. It didn't through 18 games plus pre-season last year. Cam relies on trying to be the playmaker, and as such doesn't depend on pinpoint timing to the same degree. Brady could never gel with the receivers he had last year, save for 11. I'd hoped going in that Cam wouldn't have that problem, and I suspect that'll be the case. There's no reason why Harry and Jakobi Meyers can't catch balls, and despite being in an entirely different league, Cam might be a better option to get it to them.
In the meantime, TB12 is going to have to deal with being on an undisciplined team, and I don't think he's going to like that.
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Raiders, Seahawks, Rams and Chargers all won! Add the Dodgers and Marlins and I was 6-6 yesterday!
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Big Ben is back, baby. That TD drive before the half was awesome.
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I was disappointed with one particularly eggregiously bad call in the Panthers game (4th and short, and they give it to a FB, instead of to Christian McCaffrey), but I was overall pleasantly surprised with how the Panthers played.
I still don't expect much out of this season, but most of the game was entertaining.
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I was disappointed with one particularly eggregiously bad call in the Panthers game (4th and short, and they give it to a FB, instead of to Christian McCaffrey), but I was overall pleasantly surprised with how the Panthers played.
I still don't expect much out of this season, but most of the game was entertaining.
I saw that, and the announcers made the same observation. Only thing I could see was that they previously had gone to McCaffrey, and that was a safe way (fullback's only job - with the ball - is to get xth and short) to counter the D keying on their best offensive player.
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I was disappointed with one particularly eggregiously bad call in the Panthers game (4th and short, and they give it to a FB, instead of to Christian McCaffrey), but I was overall pleasantly surprised with how the Panthers played.
I still don't expect much out of this season, but most of the game was entertaining.
I saw that, and the announcers made the same observation. Only thing I could see was that they previously had gone to McCaffrey, and that was a safe way (fullback's only job - with the ball - is to get xth and short) to counter the D keying on their best offensive player.
I get why it might seem to be a good option. But that's a good option in the first or second quarter, not with the game on the line.
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I was disappointed with one particularly eggregiously bad call in the Panthers game (4th and short, and they give it to a FB, instead of to Christian McCaffrey), but I was overall pleasantly surprised with how the Panthers played.
I still don't expect much out of this season, but most of the game was entertaining.
I saw that, and the announcers made the same observation. Only thing I could see was that they previously had gone to McCaffrey, and that was a safe way (fullback's only job - with the ball - is to get xth and short) to counter the D keying on their best offensive player.
I get why it might seem to be a good option. But that's a good option in the first or second quarter, not with the game on the line.
No argument. I think you go with your best player when you have the chance.
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Giants looked like crap as expected. It was only close for awhile due to the Steelers muffing a punt and a bad PI call that benefited the Giants. It's going to be a long season with this OL. Although, without the preseason and a brand new OL and coaching staff, at least there is some hope for improvement and maybe a light at the end of the tunnel from being the worst team (in terms of W/L) the last three years.
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Titans fan here. Anyone know any good kickers?
Not that I (and other fans) didn't see that debacle coming. John Robinson seems to be a savvy top-tier GM for the most part, but his kryptonite seems to be longtime veteran kickers coming off of injury/surgery. Titans/Oilers are one of the NFL's historically amazing kicking franchises, but 2019 (and first game of 2020) are setting the wrong kind of records. Holy moly.
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Giants looked like crap as expected. It was only close for awhile due to the Steelers muffing a punt and a bad PI call that benefited the Giants. It's going to be a long season with this OL. Although, without the preseason and a brand new OL and coaching staff, at least there is some hope for improvement and maybe a light at the end of the tunnel from being the worst team (in terms of W/L) the last three years.
Barkley is GOOD, though. I hope he can weather then storm of that growth period (OBJ couldn't).
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I love Barkley but he can't do much if the OL is this bad. He's a good dude though, I don't expect him to not give it his best, but when his contract is done, who can say where the team will be and what he'll be looking for. I hope he's a Giant for life personally.
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Giants looked like crap as expected. It was only close for awhile due to the Steelers muffing a punt and a bad PI call that benefited the Giants. It's going to be a long season with this OL. Although, without the preseason and a brand new OL and coaching staff, at least there is some hope for improvement and maybe a light at the end of the tunnel from being the worst team (in terms of W/L) the last three years.
Barkley is GOOD, though. I hope he can weather then storm of that growth period (OBJ couldn't).
And now I hear that OBJ is on the trading block?
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Titans fan here. Anyone know any good kickers?
Not that I (and other fans) didn't see that debacle coming. John Robinson seems to be a savvy top-tier GM for the most part, but his kryptonite seems to be longtime veteran kickers coming off of injury/surgery. Titans/Oilers are one of the NFL's historically amazing kicking franchises, but 2019 (and first game of 2020) are setting the wrong kind of records. Holy moly.
I'm glad Gostkowski got the opportunity to save his ass with the game winner. He'll turn things around. He is absolutely not a choker, so he really just needs to get himself back into form.
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Giants looked like crap as expected. It was only close for awhile due to the Steelers muffing a punt and a bad PI call that benefited the Giants. It's going to be a long season with this OL. Although, without the preseason and a brand new OL and coaching staff, at least there is some hope for improvement and maybe a light at the end of the tunnel from being the worst team (in terms of W/L) the last three years.
That division is pretty crap though, Giants can make some noise there. Jones looks good to me and they seemed to have a good pass rush Monday.
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Titans fan here. Anyone know any good kickers?
Not that I (and other fans) didn't see that debacle coming. John Robinson seems to be a savvy top-tier GM for the most part, but his kryptonite seems to be longtime veteran kickers coming off of injury/surgery. Titans/Oilers are one of the NFL's historically amazing kicking franchises, but 2019 (and first game of 2020) are setting the wrong kind of records. Holy moly.
I'm glad Gostkowski got the opportunity to save his ass with the game winner. He'll turn things around. He is absolutely not a choker, so he really just needs to get himself back into form.
That was kind of a crazy game for him. Hard to believe that you'd miss so many like that but still be able to win the game.
Giants looked like crap as expected. It was only close for awhile due to the Steelers muffing a punt and a bad PI call that benefited the Giants. It's going to be a long season with this OL. Although, without the preseason and a brand new OL and coaching staff, at least there is some hope for improvement and maybe a light at the end of the tunnel from being the worst team (in terms of W/L) the last three years.
That division is pretty crap though, Giants can make some noise there. Jones looks good to me and they seemed to have a good pass rush Monday.
I'm not sold on Jones. He had that bad interception in the second half. He shows signs that he could be good, but I don't know. The team has a lot to work on and there is that potential of growth for them, but if the OL doesn't get any better, I don't think it's going to work well for Jones' development.
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I’ve seen a lot of football, but that game by Burrow last night was the most impressive performance I’ve ever seen by a rookie starting his 2nd game. Holy cow. Steelers are in big trouble for the next decade at least.
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The NFL thread here has been pretty dead so far. Hopefully it will pick up.
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I’ve seen a lot of football, but that game by Burrow last night was the most impressive performance I’ve ever seen by a rookie starting his 2nd game. Holy cow. Steelers are in big trouble for the next decade at least.
Burrow looked confident and poised and I agree, Cincy fans finally have something to cheer about.
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His poise and ability on that final TD on 3rd down was damn impressive.
Trivial: Bengals look like a football team in their white pants and socks, the Browns look like a football team again in those semi throwback unis (the last few years have been clownish), and the Rams.........just putrid. Go back to the classic blue and white of the 60s, or put a shoulder stripe on that era's style with sleeve numbers, and be done with it. The Pats are a big fail as well. Where's the sleeve or shoulder numbers. Same goes for the Chargers.
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His poise and ability on that final TD on 3rd down was damn impressive.
Trivial: Bengals look like a football team in their white pants and socks, the Browns look like a football team again in those semi throwback unis (the last few years have been clownish), and the Rams.........just putrid. Go back to the classic blue and white of the 60s, or put a shoulder stripe on that era's style with sleeve numbers, and be done with it. The Pats are a big fail as well. Where's the sleeve or shoulder numbers. Same goes for the Chargers.
I don't think it's trivial. I for one am a fan of the uniform but I'm more of a traditionalist. I really don't like teams messing with their looks and I'm not a fan of the color splash or throwback jerseys.
I agree about the Rams uniforms though....ugh...
Oh and bring back the music from NFL films. Talk about goosebumps. :metal
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This is the worst Jets team I have ever seen. How do you let a team convert on 3rd and 31 with a running play?
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Packers offense seems okay after two weeks.
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This is the worst Jets team I have ever seen. How do you let a team convert on 3rd and 31 with a running play?
That was pretty bad, but I think the Falcons ignoring the onside kick was worse. Five guys just stood there and watched it lazily roll from 5-10 yards into the arms of the cowboys. The Jets were never going to win that game. Atlanta choked it away (again).
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That was totally something that would normally happen to the Cowboys, not something they would do to another team.
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I don’t understand football sometimes. If the Chargers’ D is that dominant, why the he’ll aren’t they favored to win it all? KC’s o-line blows chunks.
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This is the worst Jets team I have ever seen. How do you let a team convert on 3rd and 31 with a running play?
That was pretty bad, but I think the Falcons ignoring the onside kick was worse. Five guys just stood there and watched it lazily roll from 5-10 yards into the arms of the cowboys. The Jets were never going to win that game. Atlanta choked it away (again).
Both teams are poorly coached in different ways. The Falcons can’t hold a lead and Quinn is terrible with managing a game, but the Jets are on a completely different level of bad. Gase has no idea how to make adjustments, sticking to a gameplan that clearly isn’t working. The only good play came from Darnold extending the play and Berrios calling himself open. They have some pieces in place, Sam Darnold chief among them, but nowhere near enough talent to compete with the better teams in the league. Gase is one of the worst head coaches in the league, and he needs to be fired before Darnold’s development is ruined, because despite the team around him, he still looks like he could be a true franchise QB with the right coaching staff.
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Chiefs vs Chargers is one of the most underrated rivalries in all of sports.
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Is it me, or does Bill Belichick have his mask on upside down?
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Pats secondary getting fucking torched.
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So upset about Saquon, and I enjoyed the "heart" of the giants pushing a comeback but man, I think the Giants are the worst team in the league, not the jets or falcons :lol
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So upset about Saquon, and I enjoyed the "heart" of the giants pushing a comeback but man, I think the Giants are the worst team in the league, not the jets or falcons :lol
The Lions have lost 11 straight games going back to last season.
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Matt Patricia has been a huge failure.
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So upset about Saquon, and I enjoyed the "heart" of the giants pushing a comeback but man, I think the Giants are the worst team in the league, not the jets or falcons :lol
Yeah, I'm bummed about Barkley (and Bosa), too. The league is better with superstars playing.
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Was that a run on the 1 yard line? Should have thrown a pass, dumbasses.
-Darrell Bevell
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Was that a run on the 1 yard line? Should have thrown a pass, dumbasses.
-Darrell Bevell
There wasn't anybody on Earth who didn't know what that play was going to be. Kind of disappointed they didn't do something creative.
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Just being silly. Up here we can't see a 'Anything and Goal from the 1 yard line, needing a TD to win at the end of the game' situation and not have flashbacks.
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Is it me, or does Bill Belichick have his mask on upside down?
That and it looks like it belongs to his grandchild.
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Great game for the Seahawks, but another butt-clenching ending. Up by two scores with over 4 minutes left I thought it was over.
Chargers' Herbert: not bad for a rookie. Already setting records. Took the defending champs to OT.
Rams keep rolling.
Can't wait to see the new Raiders stadium tomorrow!!!
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Was that a run on the 1 yard line? Should have thrown a pass, dumbasses.
-Darrell Bevell
There wasn't anybody on Earth who didn't know what that play was going to be. Kind of disappointed they didn't do something creative.
Yeah, and there didn't seem to be an option on the play either. That was down to the play call.
What are the chances that N'Keal Harry catches the ball and actually advance it after the catch. He goes down pretty damn easy. A couple of times he caught the flat and should've hurdled the defender who dove at his feet.
Their secondary was awful and the reason they lost the game.
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So Cam threw for 397 yards with the “shitty” weapons Brady had. Hmmm.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-fans-had-lots-of-jokes-about-bill-belichicks-mask/ar-BB19eLtq?li=BBnb7Kz
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The Seawawks line won the battle on the last play. Hell of a game.
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That onside kick that froze Falcons also froze me. The ball looked like a fidget spinner and I actually had time to yell to my wife - "are we actually going to recover this"?
In all my years of watching football, I have never seen a game like this.
BTW, the players need at least 2 preseason games.
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The Seawawks line won the battle on the last play. Hell of a game.
They really did. It seems like everyone knew what that play was going to be, and what would be required, except the NE OL.
Cam played a hell of a game.
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BTW - speaking of rookie QBs, did anyone catch that Chargers game? Justin Herbert looked pretty impressive!
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Matt Patricia has been a huge failure.
Personally, I think it has to do with the Patriots system. What Belichick assistant HASN'T been at least A failure, if not "huge"? (I'm probably missing someone, but Crennell, Weiss, McDaniel, Patricia...). He does the head coaching stuff, and they do the X's and O's. I think owners get stardust thinking some of that magic is going to rub off, but it doesn't. It's the difference between tactics and strategy.
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In case anyone cares, still not a fan, though I can admit he did throw the ball much better than I've seen him throw it in the past. He did a good job that way. Still careless with the ball, though, and still worried about Cam more than the team (the showboating on the TD that wasn't a TD and having to snap the play in a hurry). To his credit, though he didn't do that after the last TD. He seemed to recognize they had more work to do. That was a good sign.
McDaniel should have changed it up. All the other 3rd and 2's and 4th and 1's that Cam converted were the perfect set up for that.
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That onside kick that froze Falcons also froze me. The ball looked like a fidget spinner and I actually had time to yell to my wife - "are we actually going to recover this"?
In all my years of watching football, I have never seen a game like this.
BTW, the players need at least 2 preseason games.
That cost me a perfect 16-0, and also really pissed me off. They had five yards to recover the damn thing and just stood there watching it. And adding insult to injury I had to hear every damn commentator talk about how fantastic an onside kick that was. If you score an empty net goal right in front of the crease you don't get to call it a fantastic shot, and that's basically what happened here.
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BTW - speaking of rookie QBs, did anyone catch that Chargers game? Justin Herbert looked pretty impressive!
He also looks like a young Kurt Russell...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Kurt_Russell_1974.JPG)
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Snake Plissken - I thought you was dead! :xbones
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Great game for the Seahawks, but another butt-clenching ending. Up by two scores with over 4 minutes left I thought it was over.
The game should've been over on their final possession. Up by 5 with 2:00 left. The situation calls for running plays to burn clock. 3rd & 1, Wilson tries a little trickery and over throws the receiver resulting in a punt. Stupid play call and it almost cost them the game. Thankfully, the defense stopped Cam on the last play which they hadn't been able to do the whole game. We all know what happened the last time the Hawks threw the ball against NE when they should've ran it.
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As a Pat's fan I feel encouraged after this loss. There were so many unknowns with Cam's play since he's been so inactive with injuries the last 2 years. Add the unknown at the receivers and I feel optimistic.
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That onside kick that froze Falcons also froze me. The ball looked like a fidget spinner and I actually had time to yell to my wife - "are we actually going to recover this"?
In all my years of watching football, I have never seen a game like this.
BTW, the players need at least 2 preseason games.
That cost me a perfect 16-0, and also really pissed me off. They had five yards to recover the damn thing and just stood there watching it. And adding insult to injury I had to hear every damn commentator talk about how fantastic an onside kick that was. If you score an empty net goal right in front of the crease you don't get to call it a fantastic shot, and that's basically what happened here.
HA! Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth both had a woody over the kick; Michaels kept mentioning Zuerlein like he converted a 99-yard field goal. At that point I hadn't seen it then they replayed it and I was like "Wha?" It was a simple squib and everyone was looking at it like it was hypnotic. Must've been the spin. :)
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As a Pat's fan I feel encouraged after this loss. There were so many unknowns with Cam's play since he's been so inactive with injuries the last 2 years. Add the unknown at the receivers and I feel optimistic.
I never realized how BIG that guy is. He stood a full head over Russell after the game (I know Russell is no giant, but still).
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I remember shaking Jerry Remy's hand walking to the roof box seats I was heading to. He was taller than my brother and I. We walked away shocked at the revelation.
So Cam must be a giant.
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It was a simple squib and everyone was looking at it like it was hypnotic.
I heard multiple people on sports talk radio use that very term, hypnotic, to describe that kick.
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DA RRRRRAIIIIIDAAAAHHHSSS! A lot of new guys looking good! Love the new stadium.
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130 yards in penalties, including the "game winner", but still, The Raiders looked pretty good.
RANT: What IS it with announcers? My god, I long for the day of Pat Summerall and his dry observations. Jim Nance creams his jeans every week it seems, though, and it may be wishful thinking, but I got the sense this week that Tony Romo was sort of... not embarrassed by it, but not willing to go along either. I think they did the Chiefs this week, so the handjob was for the usual suspects, but this past week, Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth (who I like) were so abuzz over Zuerlein and his kick you'd think he kicked the Middle East into peace. Then Steve Levy was veritably apoplectic in his praise of Rob Groncalez - I'm sorry, I meant Darren Waller - speaking of him as if he single-handedly beat COVID. I want to watch football, not be swamped breathless with hyperbole. These are football players; some have good games, some do not. I can SEE Darren Waller having a good game and do not need to be told that; what I need is insight and information I do not have access to in my living room, sitting on my couch. Like why Drew Brees looked like he was going to collapse at one point there (I don't know if it's age, and the lack of real training camp, or he is hurt, but he did NOT look... stable for lack of a better word last night.)
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That onside kick that froze Falcons also froze me. The ball looked like a fidget spinner and I actually had time to yell to my wife - "are we actually going to recover this"?
In all my years of watching football, I have never seen a game like this.
BTW, the players need at least 2 preseason games.
That cost me a perfect 16-0, and also really pissed me off. They had five yards to recover the damn thing and just stood there watching it. And adding insult to injury I had to hear every damn commentator talk about how fantastic an onside kick that was. If you score an empty net goal right in front of the crease you don't get to call it a fantastic shot, and that's basically what happened here.
Where I come from, we have "Overreaction Mondays" and "Upon Further Review Tuesdays" and I was going to post yesterday basically agreeing with you. I didn't get around to it but 'Upon Further Review", that was a perfectly executed onside kick. Zuerlein said he practiced that kick about 50 times in training camp and the special teams unit only practiced it about 6 times. In fact, when Zuerlein was with the Rams, they tried it only for the ball to go straight out of bounds.
But the real genius was Zuerlein kicked the ball towards the Cowboys sideline avoiding the Falcons coaches influencing the players. What I don't know is if the Cowboys coaches influenced the Falcons players by shouting 'don't touch it'. This was nothing like an empty net goal.
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That onside kick that froze Falcons also froze me. The ball looked like a fidget spinner and I actually had time to yell to my wife - "are we actually going to recover this"?
In all my years of watching football, I have never seen a game like this.
BTW, the players need at least 2 preseason games.
That cost me a perfect 16-0, and also really pissed me off. They had five yards to recover the damn thing and just stood there watching it. And adding insult to injury I had to hear every damn commentator talk about how fantastic an onside kick that was. If you score an empty net goal right in front of the crease you don't get to call it a fantastic shot, and that's basically what happened here.
Where I come from, we have "Overreaction Mondays" and "Upon Further Review Tuesdays" and I was going to post yesterday basically agreeing with you. I didn't get around to it but 'Upon Further Review", that was a perfectly executed onside kick. Zuerlein said he practiced that kick about 50 times in training camp and the special teams unit only practiced it about 6 times. In fact, when Zuerlein was with the Rams, they tried it only for the ball to go straight out of bounds.
But the real genius was Zuerlein kicked the ball towards the Cowboys sideline avoiding the Falcons coaches influencing the players. What I don't know is if the Cowboys coaches influenced the Falcons players by shouting 'don't touch it'. This was nothing like an empty net goal.
DIVE ON THE DAMN BALL! If you need people to tell you that during the play you shouldn't be on the kick team.
If you score an empty net goal right in front of the crease you don't get to call it a fantastic shot, and that's basically what happened here.
Bud did you see how straight it was? And what velocity!
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Barto is right. The receiving team can recover the ball before it goes 10 yards. They obviously didn't know the rule. :lol
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Is it possible they thought that there was no way it was going to go 10 yards?
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Is it possible they thought that there was no way it was going to go 10 yards?
Yes but they have to realize that the other team can pounce on it like they did at 10 yards so grab it early.
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Is it possible they thought that there was no way it was going to go 10 yards?
From a receiving standpoint it doesn't matter. That's where misunderstanding of the rule comes in. If the ball only goes 9 yards, it would stay there until the receiving team takes possession.
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Other than muffing the play, there is no downside - especially at that point in the game - of pouncing on the football. Even if you don't know the rules, I'm not sure what you think the worst is that would happen. A rekick?
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I think they were afraid of it. The way it was spinning they were worried they might muff it. Doesn't matter, though. You've still got to get it before 10 yards. That's what you're paid for.
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Other than muffing the play, there is no downside - especially at that point in the game - of pouncing on the football. Even if you don't know the rules, I'm not sure what you think the worst is that would happen. A rekick?
I actually didn't see this play, but if that football is bouncing funny it's pretty common for the person to drop on it to not be able to hold onto it. Not defending them just thinking of a reason why someone wouldn't immediately jump on it when it hadn't yet gone 10 yards. This sounded like a total bonehead play from them all around though.
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I actually didn't see this play...
At any given moment, you have 3 Falcons within striking distance. Only thing I can figure is that maybe having so many guys bunched up hurt them, because each thought the other guys was going to dive on it. But that doesn't excuse it either. Whatever the rationale, they just failed to do what they were supposed to do.
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Other than muffing the play, there is no downside - especially at that point in the game - of pouncing on the football. Even if you don't know the rules, I'm not sure what you think the worst is that would happen. A rekick?
I actually didn't see this play, but if that football is bouncing funny it's pretty common for the person to drop on it to not be able to hold onto it. Not defending them just thinking of a reason why someone wouldn't immediately jump on it when it hadn't yet gone 10 yards. This sounded like a total bonehead play from them all around though.
No bounce at all. A very fast spin, though. It was spinning like a top, and slowly breaking towards the cowboys standing 10 yards off. Three falcons were standing right by it, and actually backing away rather than simply diving on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcQVZhHHWmk
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:lol yea that ball is spinning very weirdly and makes me wonder if they didn't want to pounce on it because they'd lose it and give it away. Who knows what was really going through their head.
Whatever the rationale, they just failed to do what they were supposed to do.
Yup, makes me wonder though if there was a preseason if they'd make the same mental mistake.
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Wow...I just watched that play. There are at least three Falcons players (17, 81 and 87) who, if they haven't already been released, are lucky to have jobs right now.
The appropriate analogy here is not an empty net goal right in front of the crease. The right analogy is a slow dump in from the other side of center ice with three defensive players back who just assume it won't go on net and think it will go for icing.
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I actually didn't see this play...
At any given moment, you have 3 Falcons within striking distance. Only thing I can figure is that maybe having so many guys bunched up hurt them, because each thought the other guys was going to dive on it. But that doesn't excuse it either. Whatever the rationale, they just failed to do what they were supposed to do.
Like a baseball falling in the middle of three players...
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Well today is Move On Wednesday so time to focus on the Seahawks but the last thing I will say about the Falcons and that onside kick is that they didn't even block anybody. I mean, sure the return team can fall on the ball at any time but they can also engage the defenders at any time and not a single Cowboy was touched. The Falcons special teams are poorly coached at least for that one play.
Also, the Cowboys were only down 20 - 0 after the first quarter. The Falcons only scored 19 the rest of the game. That's pretty telling because either the Cowboys D really locked things down or the Falcons offense is not that good. some say the Cowboys didn't deserve to win that game and I thought the same thing at first but now I am changing my tune.
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Well today is Move On Wednesday so time to focus on the Seahawks but the last thing I will say about the Falcons and that onside kick is that they didn't even block anybody. I mean, sure the return team can fall on the ball at any time but they can also engage the defenders at any time and not a single Cowboy was touched. The Falcons special teams are poorly coached at least for that one play.
Also, the Cowboys were only down 20 - 0 after the first quarter. The Falcons only scored 19 the rest of the game. That's pretty telling because either the Cowboys D really locked things down or the Falcons offense is not that good. some say the Cowboys didn't deserve to win that game and I thought the same thing at first but now I am changing my tune.
Atlanta just didn't have any means of stopping Zeke Elliot. Every time he ran he was getting 5+ yards. I picked Atlanta because Dallas' O line was completely decimated (they were starting players at positions they'd never played before), and they had no middle linebackers (which is generally a death sentence for Dallas). During the first quarter Atlanta blitzed heavily with great success. Zeke took away their ability to exploit their O line beyond that. On the opposite side, Atlanta wasn't able to take advantage of that gaping whole in the middle. Ridley and Julio Jones kept them in the game for a while, but they couldn't keep up, and the rest is history.
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RIP Gayle Sayers. One of the best ever to lace them up.
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RIP Gayle Sayers. One of the best ever to lace them up.
Raise your hand if you cried like a baby at the end of Brian's Song. I know I did.
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RIP Gayle Sayers. One of the best ever to lace them up.
Raise your hand if you cried like a baby at the end of Brian's Song. I know I did.
*raises hand*
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The Chargers team doctor accidentally punctured Tyrod Taylor’s lung while injecting pain meds into him for cracked ribs just prior to kickoff.
Yikes..
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They can't afford a better team doctor than that? :lol
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They can't afford a better team doctor than that? :lol
(https://i.postimg.cc/5tsBh93F/19ce8d45cdf0a85790b273147e6ec4a2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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They can't afford a better team doctor than that? :lol
This is Dean Spanos we're talking about. He's never seen a corner he wouldn't cut or a dollar he wouldn't save. The worst owner in the league and it's not even close.
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Obviously I feel bad for Tyrod, but there are a wealth of jokes there.
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The Chargers team doctor accidentally punctured Tyrod Taylor’s lung while injecting pain meds into him for cracked ribs just prior to kickoff.
Yikes..
Fo Reel?
I mean, your not a Russian troll are you?
What the hell are they thinking starting a QB with cracked ribs???? :omg:
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The Chargers team doctor accidentally punctured Tyrod Taylor’s lung while injecting pain meds into him for cracked ribs just prior to kickoff.
Yikes..
Fo Reel?
I mean, your not a Russian troll are you?
What the hell are they thinking starting a QB with cracked ribs???? :omg:
Tom Brady and Ben Rothlisberger both just said "Bitch, please." in unison. :)
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Lots of QBs have played with cracked ribs. Get a shot, wear a flak jacket, get to work.
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I know but I have always questioned the effectiveness a player with an injury like that. But I did find out that this is a common procedure where the risk of puncturing a lung is high but is rare for it to happen. They also have to do it right before the game because the medicine they use wears off after 3 to 4 hours. Crazy.......
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I made an offhand comment about this a couple days ago, but just wanted to add: with less time to learn his new offense and significantly inferior weapons (unanimously), after 2 weeks Cam is 14th in passer rating and Brady is 29th. I find this fascinating because it crushes all the excuses the Brady-slurpers could have. Of course 2 games is a small sample size so we'll see how it plays out. If Brady improves it should make the NFC South an interesting battle as 2 over-the-hill QBs duke it out for the division (unless Atlanta somehow gets their act together and challenges them).
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Or Brady finally has lost his fastball at age 43. Put 31 year old Brady on another team and it would be different.
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Or Brady finally has lost his fastball at age 43. Put 31 year old Brady on another team and it would be different.
Probably
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I'd think it's a strong educated guess.
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I think it's apples and oranges. I think Belichick has the advantage in the short term. I've seen too many games where a guy was out or something similar, and he used duct tape and bailing wire to make it happen. Heck, they went, what, 3-1 with the third string guy two years ago? I think Cam getting stuck on the 1 yard line is evidence of more than just one play; I think it's evidence of the real patchwork nature of the offense at this point; McDaniel couldn't go for something too much more complex at that point.
The one thing about Cam that has surprised me is how much they've used him going downfield; even with that, though, they're not really asking him to throw the really intricate timing patterns that result in risky throws (and the one time they did, he got in trouble throwing behind the receiver).
I have no doubt that Tom wants to win every game, but for him to do his magic, he does have to be comfortable in the offense and he's not there yet. He's not going to pull games out of his ass single-handedly anymore (not that he ever really did) and certainly not until it's "his" offense. The only trick is, can he wait for that to come about?
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TB12 is reliant on a good rapport with his receivers, and it's not a given that he'll ever gel with any given WR. Plenty of decent receivers have come through NE and Tom's simply failed to connect with them. That might be the case down in Tampa, too. On the other hand, other QBs in NE have been willing to throw to anybody, for better of for worse. My hope going into this was that either Cam or Stidham would play a little less refined, and thus be willing to throw to the guys Brady wouldn't, and that's what we're seeing. Brady's rigidity is great when he's got his players. It's a failing when he doesn't, and I think that's what we're seeing now. Brady is 10x the QB that Newton is, and when the playoffs come around the situation might well be different, but right now NE is better off with Cam. He's better suited to playing a wide open gameplan.
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WTF with that call in the Rams @ Bills game??!! Buffalo player makes a catch, Rams defender grabs the ball, they both go to the ground, and it's the RAMS ball????
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WTF with that call in the Rams @ Bills game??!! Buffalo player makes a catch, Rams defender grabs the ball, they both go to the ground, and it's the RAMS ball????
And the refs give Buffalo a payback, gift pass interference call that led to the Bills winning.
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Dammit. I was thrilled that the Bills would lose.
Oops.
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Dan Quinn needs to get fired after that. Two weeks in a row you choke away a sure win.
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The NFL hates this, but good defense can be boring. That Bengals Eagles overtime was about as exciting as a Pop Warner game that your kid ISN'T playing in, yet it was pretty well played (up to the false start penalty at the very end).
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The Jets looked like a professional football team for one quarter.
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The Jets looked like a professional football team for one quarter.
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The Jets looked like a professional football team for one quarter.
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Life is rough right now as a Jets fan. I know that’s usually how it is, but this is worse than it’s been in a very long time, since Rich Kotite. The Jets are the worst team in football, and it’s not even close.
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The last play of the Chargers/Panthers game was almost incredible.
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The NFL hates this, but good defense can be boring. That Bengals Eagles overtime was about as exciting as a Pop Warner game that your kid ISN'T playing in, yet it was pretty well played (up to the false start penalty at the very end).
Amazing fact about that game, football writer Mike Tanier predicted a 22-22 tie. It ended up 23-23.
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The last play of the Chargers/Panthers game was almost incredible.
Yea, just ran out of time. Panthers D blocked a big TD catch. But rookie Herbert was lookin like a vet there!
I was almost 0-4. Thankfully Wilson pulled it out at the end. Another butt clenching win for the Seahawks.
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That New Orleands/Green Bay was really a test of (my) will. I picked Green Bay, so that's where my head was, but I kept looking at the picks to see if it would hurt me too badly if NO actually won. Brees looked good (for the part I saw) and it came down AGAIN! to penalties. I have a feeling (maybe it's a wish) that NO might be able to right this ship as we go.
In the meantime, that GB offense looks strong. I'm of the opposite feeling though: right now it's a huge lovefest, what with Aaron Rodgers doing little heart things from the field to Matt LeFleur (he didn't, but he might as well have) but I want to see what happens when it doesn't work, and Aaron's inner "little boy" takes over.
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Brees cannot throw the ball downfield at all. Eventually teams will just stack the box to stop Kamara and the short passes.
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Very excited for tonight’s game. If their success continues, Mahomes/Jackson has the potential to be the next Brady/Manning, and Chiefs/Ravens could be the most intense non-divisional rivalry in all of American sports.
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Very excited for tonight’s game. If their success continues, Mahomes/Jackson has the potential to be the next Brady/Manning, and Chiefs/Ravens could be the most intense non-divisional rivalry in all of American sports.
But I have to watch with the sound down. The announcers are ridiculous in their praise. To hear them talk, there's no one else on the field. Just now, after the punt, going into the break, this was the caption on the bottom of the screen:
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I'm more impressed with the dude holding the two Gatorade bottles.
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Watching the game. Mahomes is just a sick sick talent.
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There are some really nervous former Dolphins right now.
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There are some really nervous former Dolphins right now.
Glad somebody else is watching the biggest game of the year to date.
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There are some really nervous former Dolphins right now.
At least Shula got to go out with that legacy still intact.
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Not looking forward to next weeks game against a juggernaut.
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Ravens had the #1 scoring D going into the game and Mahomes was just toying with them. It was amazing to watch. Their kicker left 4 pts off the board, their backup RB fumbled deep in Bal territory and 7 of Bal’s points was off a kickoff return. 45-13 is a much more accurate score to describe what actually took place. 513 yards to 229. Mahomes was otherworldly on 3rd down and against the blitz. If you’re a fan of great QB play last night was a feast.
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Uh oh....
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/29/titans-vikings-suspend-in-person-activities-over-titans-positive-covid-19-tests/
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Uh oh....
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/29/titans-vikings-suspend-in-person-activities-over-titans-positive-covid-19-tests/
Yep - just got the word about 20 minutes ago.
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Uh oh....
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/29/titans-vikings-suspend-in-person-activities-over-titans-positive-covid-19-tests/
The two teams and the league are taking the right precautions. It was bound to happen, but the swift response from all involved parties is promising to see. IMO, the next step should be to bar all fans from all stadiums (with full refunds of course). This will protect players, coaches, and fans alike from the one variable that teams and the league can't control: where fans go before and after game time.
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There's a possibility those two games involving the Titans and Vikings might get switched to Monday night.
KC-Balto: the Ravens are who I thought they were. Not having a pass rush, mostly experienced LBs, and Thomas and Young in the secondary really showed. Add to that Marshall Yonda's retirement, and the OL overall is not as good as last year. Add onto that, for some reason our OC, who I might question once or twice a game, has totally thrown out the game plan when trailing during their last two losses. The Ravens can score in under three minutes by throwing AND running.....they did so numerous times last year in their hurry up offense. That OL cannot pass protect effectively without having the run option. Dropping five passes against a team like the Chiefs isn't the same as against the Browns.
Damn.....Reid and Bienemy design some crazy deceptive plays (nothing new there). And..........Mahomes is Mahomes. That falling backwards long TD pass was yet another WTW moment.
Finally, a shoutout to fellow Central Michigan alumnus Eric Fisher. Over the past eighteen regular season games, the former first overall draft pick OT now has one more TD reception than fellow Chippewa Antonio Brown :D
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Wow. Looking forward to a real thriller tonight.
And the league wonders why nobody watches TNF.
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Wow. Looking forward to a real thriller tonight.
And the league wonders why nobody watches TNF.
I almost have a fascination with how bad it COULD be. Kind of like watching repeats of Who's The Boss and reveling in the realization that this is being broadcast on national television. Or watching the Presidential debates. :) :)
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Wow. Looking forward to a real thriller tonight.
And the league wonders why nobody watches TNF.
I almost have a fascination with how bad it COULD be. Kind of like watching repeats of Who's The Boss and reveling in the realization that this is being broadcast on national television. Or watching the Presidential debates. :) :)
Teenage T-ski watched Who’s The Boss for one reason and one reason only.
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Wow. Looking forward to a real thriller tonight.
And the league wonders why nobody watches TNF.
I almost have a fascination with how bad it COULD be. Kind of like watching repeats of Who's The Boss and reveling in the realization that this is being broadcast on national television. Or watching the Presidential debates. :) :)
Teenage T-ski watched Who’s The Boss for one reason and one reason only.
PLEASE don't say Katherine Helmond. PLEASE.
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Wow. Looking forward to a real thriller tonight.
And the league wonders why nobody watches TNF.
I almost have a fascination with how bad it COULD be. Kind of like watching repeats of Who's The Boss and reveling in the realization that this is being broadcast on national television. Or watching the Presidential debates. :) :)
Teenage T-ski watched Who’s The Boss for one reason and one reason only.
Judith Light as Angela was HOT!
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Wow. Looking forward to a real thriller tonight.
And the league wonders why nobody watches TNF.
I almost have a fascination with how bad it COULD be. Kind of like watching repeats of Who's The Boss and reveling in the realization that this is being broadcast on national television. Or watching the Presidential debates. :) :)
Teenage T-ski watched Who’s The Boss for one reason and one reason only.
Judith Light on "One Life To Live" was HOT!
When you do your homework at your grandmother's house.......
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BTW anyone know what happened to Kevschmev? He used to contribute a lot to the NFL thread.
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He doesn't want to post here anymore. Political forum pissed him off.
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He doesn't want to post here anymore. Political forum pissed him off.
Yeah, I reached out to him a while back. P/R is what set him off, but I think he felt like he needed to stay away from the forum in general.
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I still text him. I hope in time he will return.
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Didn’t realize Kev hadn’t posted in a while, hope he comes back.
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I'm not really watching Football much at all. I usually just forget about it.
But...
Just happy Seahawks are 3-0.
Didn’t realize Kev hadn’t posted in a while, hope he comes back.
Same...
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Wow. Looking forward to a real thriller tonight.
And the league wonders why nobody watches TNF.
I almost have a fascination with how bad it COULD be. Kind of like watching repeats of Who's The Boss and reveling in the realization that this is being broadcast on national television. Or watching the Presidential debates. :) :)
Teenage T-ski watched Who’s The Boss for one reason and one reason only.
Judith Light on "One Life To Live" was HOT!
When you do your homework at your grandmother's house.......
Sometimes I think I need a memory dump. I actually remember that her character's name on OLTL was Karen. WHY do I remember that?!
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It's like cleansing the soul admitting we know this information about soaps. :lol
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Overshare, I'm sure, but Deidre Hall is STILL - in her 70's - on my "list".
"Hi Grandma! I'd LOVE to watch Days Of Our Lives with you!"
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Darnold goes to the locker room with an arm injury. This season has been a nightmare.
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This game is a mess, as is to be expected from this game between two 0-3 teams.
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Welp...at least they looked like an NFL team. A bad one but it’s a marginal improvement. Still, 0-4 is not where anybody expected this team to be. Too many drive extending penalties by the defense, some bad drops by receivers (looking at you Chris Herndon), and some questionable throws by Darnold that luckily weren’t intercepted or this game would have been a whole lot worse. But hey at least our kicker is good...
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I'm still trying to figure out how Adam Gase is a head football coach in the NFL.
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I'll bet that there are (sadly) more than a few folks in fantasy football leagues thinking 'geez, a game had to be cancelled due to C-19. I thought that thing was over'.
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I'm still trying to figure out how Adam Gase is a head football coach in the NFL.
After the end of last night's game he really shouldn't be. When your guys are roughing the quarterback with seconds left in a losing effort, you're either an asshole or you're incapable of controlling your players.
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I'm still trying to figure out how Adam Gase is a head football coach in the NFL.
After the end of last night's game he really shouldn't be. When your guys are roughing the quarterback with seconds left in a losing effort, you're either an asshole or you're incapable of controlling your players.
You made it through the entire game? Dude, I'm impressed! :hefdaddy
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It's amazing to me that the NFL is having to figure out ways to reschedule a game because of C19. How can you even start a season like this without a plan in place? Playoff games aren't scheduled until the end of the season. I'm not sure why there needs to be a set in stone date for the Superb Owl. Block out three Sundays, and add weeks to the season as necessary. If you need to reschedule more than three weeks the season is officially a dumpster fire anyway. I suppose the biggest issue would be for the host city, but it seems like people gambling on 3 different weekends would be a boon. How many overpriced, non-refundable stays would hotels book for the next two weekends?
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I didn't turn it on TNF until around the end of the 3rd qtr. Saw the highlight of Darnold's 46 yd TD run early, but in the 4th qtr the Jets D was taking everything the Broncos gave them and still couldn't win. Denver was practically handing them the game and they just gave it right back. :lol
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It's amazing to me that the NFL is having to figure out ways to reschedule a game because of C19. How can you even start a season like this without a plan in place? Playoff games aren't scheduled until the end of the season. I'm not sure why there needs to be a set in stone date for the Superb Owl. Block out three Sundays, and add weeks to the season as necessary. If you need to reschedule more than three weeks the season is officially a dumpster fire anyway. I suppose the biggest issue would be for the host city, but it seems like people gambling on 3 different weekends would be a boon. How many overpriced, non-refundable stays would hotels book for the next two weekends?
They didn't have a "just in case" plan... :facepalm: :rollin
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Patriots/Chiefs postponed due to C19 cases on both teams. Cam Newton among them.
And the whole thing begins to crumble.
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Patriots/Chiefs postponed due to C19 cases on both teams. Cam Newton among them.
And the whole thing begins to crumble.
I think we all knew it was bound to happen.
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Yep. It's not going to work.
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BB, Cam is the 1st on in and last out. So how did he get covid then? Lol
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Monday or Tuesday is kind of bullshit. If the league had its shit together it'd be rescheduled for week 18.
In any case, this is a real shame. With Cam this would have probably been competitive. Now, not so much. I doubt they needed it, but it's certainly a lucky break for KC.
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Game is postponed El Barto.
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Game is postponed El Barto.
Yeah. Until Monday or Tuesday.
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Well, the good news is that if Belichick beats Mahomes with either Stidham or Hoyer, is there really any doubt left?
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Damn, the NFC East is on fire!
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SEAHAWKS!!!!! Wilson ties Manning for most TD's to start a season.
Rookie Herbert on the Chargers almost beat Tom Brady!!! He's for real, y'all!
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Damn, the NFC East is on fire!
The worst team in both the AFC North and NFC West is better than the best team in the NFC East.
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Damn, the NFC East is on fire!
The worst team in both the AFC North and NFC West is better than the best team in the AFC East.
Assuming you meant the Eagles and not the Bills, this is interesting to me, as the Bengals and Eagles tied just last week.
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I fully cop to being biased, here, but there was a small part of me that heard the Cam Newton news and went "figures; of all the players on the team that COULD have gotten it, is it any surprise it's him?"
On other notes; does Derek Carr prep for games using the "coin flip" method? He can be good, but he seems to be so mercurial in his play.
I turned off the Eagles/Niners thinking "this is just a matter of time" and was shocked to find out that Philly didn't turn tail and fold.
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Damn, the NFC East is on fire!
:lol such a joke
I'm starting to think Daniel Jones isn't a franchise QB. I just don't see ANY improvement from him since he started last year. I know he doesn't have weapons and doesn't have an OL, but it seems he makes all the same mistakes still. Terrible with turnovers which is normal for a young QB, but as I say, I just don't see the improvements over a year in the league now. How many times has he turned the ball over on a game tying/winning drive? It's infuriating. He's got some good escape moves as he's quicker than you think, but he's not an accurate thrower and he's not a game changer. The Giants have been absolute trash in regards to the draft lately and it's going to keep hurting this franchise if they can't capatilze on their 1st round draft picks. Having said that, it did look like the defense and even the OL are starting to slightly improve which is good, but if the offense can't get the ball into the endzone, it's all for naught.
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Damn, the NFC East is on fire!
The worst team in both the AFC North and NFC West is better than the best team in the AFC East.
Assuming you meant the Eagles and not the Bills, this is interesting to me, as the Bengals and Eagles tied just last week.
I fixed it to say NFC East, and I stand by the Bengals being a better team.
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I have been pleasantly surprised by the Panthers so far this season. They have played more or less ok in all four games, and won 2 in a row. Teddy Bridgewater is playing better every game.
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I have been pleasantly surprised by the Panthers so far this season. They have played more or less ok in all four games, and won 2 in a row. Teddy Bridgewater is playing better every game.
Big fan of Bridgewater. I think when that team is healthy and gets their rhythm, they could be a fun team to watch.
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Cowboys SUCK!!!! Harumph! :facepalm:
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Damn, Dak Prescott is on pace to massacre Manning's single season yardage record, like Sonny on the Causeway massacre, and they're 1-3 with no sign of really improving. They can't stop fumbling, and their D is abysmal. Not at all how I saw that playing out.
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Damn, Dak Prescott is on pace to massacre Manning's single season yardage record, like Sonny on the Causeway massacre, and they're 1-3 with no sign of really improving. They can't stop fumbling, and their D is abysmal. Not at all how I saw that playing out.
Isn't that sort of Jerry Jones' style? All show, no dough?
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Damn, Dak Prescott is on pace to massacre Manning's single season yardage record, like Sonny on the Causeway massacre, and they're 1-3 with no sign of really improving. They can't stop fumbling, and their D is abysmal. Not at all how I saw that playing out.
Isn't that sort of Jerry Jones' style? All show, no dough?
Actually it's pay the players the dough and yet they nothing to show for it.
Dammit!
The STARS lose the cup.
The Mavs get slaughtered (albeit by a far better team).
The Rangers season ends after the first inning of the first game.
And the Cowboys can't play "D".
Hunnus is going back to bed......... :tdwn
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Damn, Dak Prescott is on pace to massacre Manning's single season yardage record, like Sonny on the Causeway massacre, and they're 1-3 with no sign of really improving. They can't stop fumbling, and their D is abysmal. Not at all how I saw that playing out.
Isn't that sort of Jerry Jones' style? All show, no dough?
Actually it's pay the players the dough and yet they nothing to show for it.
Dammit!
The STARS lose the cup.
The Mavs get slaughtered (albeit by a far better team).
The Rangers season ends after the first inning of the first game.
And the Cowboys can't play "D".
Hunnus is going back to bed......... :tdwn
Local boy, are ya?
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Damn, Dak Prescott is on pace to massacre Manning's single season yardage record, like Sonny on the Causeway massacre, and they're 1-3 with no sign of really improving. They can't stop fumbling, and their D is abysmal. Not at all how I saw that playing out.
Isn't that sort of Jerry Jones' style? All show, no dough?
You got it backwards. It's all dough, no show.
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Damn, Dak Prescott is on pace to massacre Manning's single season yardage record, like Sonny on the Causeway massacre, and they're 1-3 with no sign of really improving. They can't stop fumbling, and their D is abysmal. Not at all how I saw that playing out.
Isn't that sort of Jerry Jones' style? All show, no dough?
You got it backwards. It's all dough, no show.
One is a consequence of the other.
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Damn, Dak Prescott is on pace to massacre Manning's single season yardage record, like Sonny on the Causeway massacre, and they're 1-3 with no sign of really improving. They can't stop fumbling, and their D is abysmal. Not at all how I saw that playing out.
Isn't that sort of Jerry Jones' style? All show, no dough?
Actually it's pay the players the dough and yet they nothing to show for it.
Dammit!
The STARS lose the cup.
The Mavs get slaughtered (albeit by a far better team).
The Rangers season ends after the first inning of the first game.
And the Cowboys can't play "D".
Hunnus is going back to bed......... :tdwn
Local boy, are ya?
Is it too obvious? Like do I need to tone it down? ;D
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McCourty blew it.
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Jim Nance. Jim FRIGGIN' Nance. Bad enough I have to watch Jesus Mohammed Buddha Simmons versus Brian Hoyer, but to have to listen to Nance while I do it....
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Every time the ball leaves Hoyer's hand you want to go "that's too high, asshole!"
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You don't have your laminated toast card with you Stads? :lol
Every time the ball leaves Hoyer's hand you want to go "that's too high, asshole!"
Every throw. Blowing this defensive 1st quarter. it will not last.
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I never type this on thusforum but today I will.
The refs screwed the Patriots there.
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I never type this on thusforum but today I will.
The refs screwed the Patriots there.
That was more than a simple screwing. They like, called their homies up to come and run the train on New England. At first I thought Belichick was partly to blame for being too pissed off to throw the flag, but he couldn't have even known what he was challenging.
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Hoyer WTF??
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That's the issue. He didn't know.
And now Hoyer blows it.
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Patriots driving, into Chiefs territory, and Nance has to tell us that Mahomes is 9 for 15, 136 yards. TOTALLY irrelevant to the situation.
Patriots driving again, making progress, and in between almost every other play they shoot over to Mahomes on the sideline chewing his mouth piece. TOTALLY irrelevant to the situation.
At least after the ridiculous sack to end the half that even I know not to take, they at least showed McDaniels throw his clipboard and Belichick kick his dog.
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Hoyer's been around long enough to know better than that. At this point could Stidham be any worse?
Apparently this is only the third time Mahomes has been held without a TD in the first half. All three against NE. Dude's going to score 4 in the second, but that's still pretty impressive.
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Yup. Pats blew their chances. No way they hold them to 2 field goals in the second half.
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I was expecting an interception at the end of the half honestly.
Apparently this is only the third time Mahomes has been held without a TD in the first half. All three against NE. Dude's going to score 4 in the second, but that's still pretty impressive.
I was thinking the same exact thing.
Halftime score: 6-3
Final score: 42-10 :lol
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I was expecting an interception at the end of the half honestly.
Apparently this is only the third time Mahomes has been held without a TD in the first half. All three against NE. Dude's going to score 4 in the second, but that's still pretty impressive.
I was thinking the same exact thing.
Halftime score: 6-3
Final score: 42-10 :lol
is Nance paying you guys? :)
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Round of beers that Hoyer never saw that DB coming across on that pass down the middle. ;)
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Andy Reid playing into BB’s hands by constantly running up the gut for no gain. But I called this, BB is the man. If Newton was playing this would be a NE blowout.
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Is the Packers game on yet??
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If that strip-sack had been on Mahomes they'd have called it the tuck rule.
Hoyer's had a couple of nice throws, but he's got negative pocket presence.
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Count to 4 and then throw it through the uprights. How difficult is that?
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Missed opportunities is the theme of this game.
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Missed opportunities is the theme of this game.
Man if this ain't the opposite for Pats fans. Usually we talk about teams coming into Foxboro and puking on themselves.
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Mahomes was NBA flop-worthy on that out of bounds play. Wise was holding on to him so he wouldn't fall.
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As bad as this was, there were few penalties; now it's getting sloppy. Two bad penalties (meaning the Pats were undisciplined).
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Missed opportunities is the theme of this game.
Man if this ain't the opposite for Pats fans. Usually we talk about teams coming into Foxboro and puking on themselves.
When you play #1 you can't have mistakes.
And then INT, Game over. Drop but #11.
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Missed opportunities is the theme of this game.
Man if this ain't the opposite for Pats fans. Usually we talk about teams coming into Foxboro and puking on themselves.
When you play #1 you can't have mistakes.
And then INT, Game over. Drop but #11.
At least they showed Mahomes on the sidelines cheering. That gave me closure. ;)
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Lol
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I have to laugh at Pats fans complaining about A) officiating being unfavorable towards your team and B) the camera crew and announcers constantly highlighting the opposing QB in situations not relevant to him. This isn't to take away from the immeasurable greatness that your team has achieved in this century, as the 21st century Patriots are the greatest dynasty in NFL history and it's not even close, but A) your first Super Bowl win wouldn't have even happened if it wasn't for a classic "let's screw the Raiders" moment of officiating with the Tuck Rule and B) I'm pretty sure I've seen Tom Brady's sideline reactions more in one game at times than I've seen other player's sideline reactions throughout their entire careers. The NFL will always have it's darlings, and the Patriots time is done. Gone is the Brady/Manning rivalry where the Patriots and Colts were the only two teams in the AFC that the media cared about. Manning is retired and Brady broke the hearts of an entire region of the country. We're in the Mahomes/Jackson era now, and the Pats are just gonna have to wait a while before their time in the spotlight comes again. I mean it could be worse: I'm writing this as a fan of a team who's best performance this year resulted in a loss to an undrafted QB who threw three interceptions in the game.
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Stop it. All fans bitch. Guess what, it's what fans do. I've seen you do it. Hell, I just did it.
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Also. After the game BB looking like Darth Vadar at the end of Return Of The Jedi.
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So Rodgers is missing both of his best receivers while Ryan has both of his, but Rodgers is destroying him anyway. Big difference between being an all-time great and “solid starter”.
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I have to laugh at Pats fans complaining about A) officiating being unfavorable towards your team and B) the camera crew and announcers constantly highlighting the opposing QB in situations not relevant to him. This isn't to take away from the immeasurable greatness that your team has achieved in this century, as the 21st century Patriots are the greatest dynasty in NFL history and it's not even close, but A) your first Super Bowl win wouldn't have even happened if it wasn't for a classic "let's screw the Raiders" moment of officiating with the Tuck Rule and B) I'm pretty sure I've seen Tom Brady's sideline reactions more in one game at times than I've seen other player's sideline reactions throughout their entire careers. The NFL will always have it's darlings, and the Patriots time is done. Gone is the Brady/Manning rivalry where the Patriots and Colts were the only two teams in the AFC that the media cared about. Manning is retired and Brady broke the hearts of an entire region of the country. We're in the Mahomes/Jackson era now, and the Pats are just gonna have to wait a while before their time in the spotlight comes again. I mean it could be worse: I'm writing this as a fan of a team who's best performance this year resulted in a loss to an undrafted QB who threw three interceptions in the game.
I don't think refs favor teams. I'm bitching because an inept call cost NE a TD.
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I have to laugh at Pats fans complaining about A) officiating being unfavorable towards your team and B) the camera crew and announcers constantly highlighting the opposing QB in situations not relevant to him. This isn't to take away from the immeasurable greatness that your team has achieved in this century, as the 21st century Patriots are the greatest dynasty in NFL history and it's not even close, but A) your first Super Bowl win wouldn't have even happened if it wasn't for a classic "let's screw the Raiders" moment of officiating with the Tuck Rule and B) I'm pretty sure I've seen Tom Brady's sideline reactions more in one game at times than I've seen other player's sideline reactions throughout their entire careers. The NFL will always have it's darlings, and the Patriots time is done. Gone is the Brady/Manning rivalry where the Patriots and Colts were the only two teams in the AFC that the media cared about. Manning is retired and Brady broke the hearts of an entire region of the country. We're in the Mahomes/Jackson era now, and the Pats are just gonna have to wait a while before their time in the spotlight comes again. I mean it could be worse: I'm writing this as a fan of a team who's best performance this year resulted in a loss to an undrafted QB who threw three interceptions in the game.
You're working under a false assumption, though. Two of them, actually: one, that I liked it when they did it with Brady. I didn't. Show me the GAME not the infotainment nonsense or ANY darling. Stop pimping the personalities. Two, that I care about the calls; calls are going to go for you or against you, that's the nature of the game. There are just as many screw jobs against the Pats as for them; it all evens out in the end. That's not to say I can't be frustrated with the notion that in THIS game, in THIS moment, when the Pats needed a perfect storm to win, that the storm didn't happen. I shouldn't have to accept losses without emotion just because I experienced wins in the past, or analyze how those losses could be wins next time. That's what losers do.
And for the record, I've hated Nance (and yes, I know it's NanTZ; I'll spell his name right when he calls a game right, how's that?) long before Mahomes. LONG before that (in fact, it dates back to Uconn's first national championship, when they beat Duke in a quasi-upset. Nance and Billy Packer called the game and they were damn near in TEARS because their precious Duke and Mike CheviHemiV8ski got beat by this upstart team. Boo friggin' hoo, Jim. So sorry (not)).
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Billy Packer was intolerable.
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Speaking of GOATS (in the other thread), I'm watching 30 For 30 - The Two Bills, about Belichick and Parcells. The love and respect that these guys have for each other is just... at one point Bill B. was almost choked up talking about how much Parcells went out of his way to help him. Even LT was almost gushing in his praise, and he is candid about how Bill and Bill leaving the Giants within three months of each other effectively ended HIS career. That says something coming from the greatest defensive player in the history of the game (I said it, and I believe it).
I'm sorry to make this all existential, but in these ridiculous, hate-filled, acrimonious times, watching this is so... refreshing and positive.
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Just heard John Clayton say there could be up to 8 had coaches on the hot seat. I know the 'hot seat' is always a"hot" topic for radio chatter, but damn, it is October 06. NFL coaches are definitely wired a way the rest of us are not.
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Just heard John Clayton say there could be up to 8 had coaches on the hot seat. I know the 'hot seat' is always a"hot" topic for radio chatter, but damn, it is October 06. NFL coaches are definitely wired a way the rest of us are not.
Dan Quinn and Adam Gase certainly have warm asses.
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Pats Stephon Gilmore has tested positive, here he is with Mahomes after the game two night ago.
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Why are teams still mingling after games? The stupidity of the NFL knows no equal.
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Gilmore, along with one each from the Falcons and Raiders. Plus the Titans continue to add cases. This will likely be their second week postponed.
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It's so crazy I don't even know what to say.
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It's so crazy I don't even know what to say.
None of this is a surprise though, without a bubble you knew some players were eventually going to get it so it's just a matter of containing it which they can more easily do with the constant testing. I do think the NFL should have changed the schedules a bit to add more bye weeks so teams had more room to wiggle with rescheduling games though. What the Patriots had to do on Monday for example was kind of a difficult circumstance for them and leads to a bit of unfairness IMO but it is what it is for this season.
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It's so crazy I don't even know what to say.
None of this is a surprise though, without a bubble you knew some players were eventually going to get it so it's just a matter of containing it which they can more easily do with the constant testing. I do think the NFL should have changed the schedules a bit to add more bye weeks so teams had more room to wiggle with rescheduling games though. What the Patriots had to do on Monday for example was kind of a difficult circumstance for them and leads to a bit of unfairness IMO but it is what it is for this season.
Yeah, there is a problem with fairness in the way they're winging it. Pitt had their bye moved all the way up to week 4, and I suspect they'd have much rather just been pushed back one day like NE was. NE only got 1 extra day to prepare, and I think they'd have rather had their bye moved to play KC later in the year, like Pitt did.
I'm just astonished that the NFL didn't plan for this happening.
edit: Rothlessburger just confirmed my suspicion. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30062089/ben-roethlisberger-frustrated-covid-impact-pittsburgh-steelers-schedule
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Posted this in the Corona thread, but it should be here as it is very relevant.
Florida gives the NFL teams the all clear to fully stock their stadiums with fans. Dolphins say thanks, but no thanks. At least there is some common sense in Florida.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/dolphins-reportedly-get-clearance-to-host-full-capacity-of-fans-at-stadium-but-will-stick-with-13000-fans-174413711.html
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Did the Bucs just go for it on 4th down on their own.....20?
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Christ. Now we've got games on Monday afternoon and Tuesday night, and presumably no Thursday night game. This whole thing is getting rather silly.
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Yeah, it's mismanaged.
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Commisioner Barto, what say you?
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Damn, that boy done broke his ankle.
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Wow Brady snubbed Foles AGAIN. What an asshole. And LOL forgetting what down it was. Senior moment I guess. Threw a great hissy fit to top it off :rollin.
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I picked Tampa because you do, but I said to my wife, after the first Bears TD that I had debated all afternoon switching to the Bears (home team, Foles is a very good QB) and decided not to based on superstition. So much for superstition.
And I don't know if you can see the post-game from Arians here (https://www.espn.com/nfl/recap?gameId=401220278), but for any of you kids out there, when Arians says "he knew, he knew" twice and drops his head, that's what the pros call "a tell". He's covering for his guy (as good coaches do).
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Yeah, he didn't knew. :lol
I certainly researched the game, and Chi would have been a fine pick. This was by no means a sure thing for Tampa. I was actually concerned it might turn out to be a money game. In the end I just came to the opposite conclusion of you, Foles is not a good quarterback. Brady was the lone difference maker in this game. My concern was with Tampa being so undisciplined, and in the end that's what killed them.
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And that undisciplined play is an extension of the head coach.
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Alex Smith is playing football today. :tup
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This whole thing is getting rather silly.
Time for teams to start forfeiting games.
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Mahomes has thrown two 65 yard strikes to Hill. One was called back for holding and the other was broken up by an uncalled pass interference. :facepalm:
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Alex Smith is playing football today. :tup
Great to see.
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The Jets aren’t just bad. They’re unwatchable. They are the worst team in the league and it’s not even close.
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I'm not really watching football today (yet; I'll watch later tonight) but:
- Fired up for Vegas; two good wins this year, and don't have to listen to the '72 Dolphins comparisons anymore (though not for nothing; I logged into yahoo to check my pick'ems, and there were TWO stories on "the great throws" that Mahomes made.)
- FIRED UP for Alex Smith. What a story. I don't usually use "courage" to define every-day things, but there aren't a whole lot of other words to use for him.
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Is there ever a week when the Cowboys game isn't nationally televised? Geez. Over the years the Cowboys have been featured way more than other teams.
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Is there ever a week when the Cowboys game isn't nationally televised? Geez. Over the years the Cowboys have been featured way more than other teams.
Probably not much longer. I didn't see it, but it sounds like Dak broke his ankle. They may have the best best backup in the league in Andy Dalton, but Dak was the only one keeping them alive.
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A lot of people expected Dalton to be a Patriot this year.
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Don't seek out pics of Dak's injury. I was watching the game and his foot was pointed in a direction that it really should not be. He's having surgery today because it was so bad. Reminded me of my car accident. I was on a stretcher and my leg was straight but my foot was pointing 90 degrees to the right. Don't think Dak was as bad as mine and I needed total reconstruction surgery. Still, my ankle kills me to this day. Hurts like a mother right now.
Dalton threw two ridiculous balls in a row to get them a chip shot for the win.
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I'm just glad I wasn't watching the game at the moment to actually see it as that stuff really eeks me out. While my team lost and I expected them to, other than the injury, that was one hell of an entertaining game.
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A lot of people expected Dalton to be a Patriot this year.
Who? The 10 morons who live in their parents basement who call into WEEI?
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A lot of people expected Dalton to be a Patriot this year.
Who? The 10 morons who live in their parents basement who call into WEEI?
Had Newton not been available, Dalton would've been a Pat. I thought Schefter reported they were interested.
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So you believe Rumours by agents of Andy Dalton?
If they really did, he would have been signed before Dallas did as w backup.
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Exactly you gullible child.
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:lol
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Wilson magic strikes again! LOL Vikings.
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Yet another ass clenching Seahawks win.
HOW BOUT THEM RRRRRRAIDERS?? Droppin 40 on Mahomes!!!
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Gruesome injury! I feel terrible for him.
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That was really too bad about Prescott.
The Panthers continue to look better than expected. The new coach's draft strategy, which I didn't agree with at the time (he used all 7 picks on defensive players), has resulted in a lot of young, very fast players on D. That, combined with Teddy Bridgewater's excellent play, and the emergence of Robby Anderson at WR and Mike Davis at RB, has made for a really interesting start.
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Everyone is talking about Alex Smith's return, which is great, but I am also super impressed and inspired by Teddy. I remember the reports coming out of the Vikings camp after his injury. Beyond gruesome. To see him competing at the level he is, it's pretty amazing and I could not be happier for him.
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Totally fcking gruesome and I'm not just talking about Prescott, I'm also talking about the Cowboys "D" or lack thereof! Dak has had one hell of year and I am not just talking about football either but he will get through this. I'm hoping the the Boys will get back to their bread and butter in running the hell out of Zeke.
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Yet another ass clenching Seahawks win.
HOW BOUT THEM RRRRRRAIDERS?? Droppin 40 on Mahomes!!!
That makes sense actually. It looks like Mahomes is going to have to play defense too this year if a KC is going to repeat.
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Yet another ass clenching Seahawks win.
HOW BOUT THEM RRRRRRAIDERS?? Droppin 40 on Mahomes!!!
That makes sense actually. It looks like Mahomes is going to have to play defense too this year if a KC is going to repeat.
You guys are killing me. I swear.
On other news, I saw the injury, and now I wish I didn't. Supposedly the bone punctured the skin, too, so while this is a healable injury, there's going to be some care that has to be taken. I'm no Cowboys fan, but he seems a decent guy, and you hate to see that happen to anyone.
On still other news, Brees looks my age.
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Has there been any reason given why Zimmer didn't kick a FG on 4th and inches last night?
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Has there been any reason given why Zimmer didn't kick a FG on 4th and inches last night?
The numbers. Seriously.
Before the snap, they had a 94% chance of winning. If they converted, they won and it improved their chances of winning 6% (so it's a 100% chance of winning). They turn it over, it decreased their chances of winning by I think it was 15% (so a 79% chance of winning). They kick the field goal, their chances of winning didn't improve one bit (it was still 94%). THat's the math that teams are using now. Someone like John Harbaugh does that for almost every decision.
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Halftime, and they blurred out the foot when replaying the tackle on Dak. He's out for four to six months, likely closer to the six.
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Has there been any reason given why Zimmer didn't kick a FG on 4th and inches last night?
The numbers. Seriously.
Before the snap, they had a 94% chance of winning. If they converted, they won and it improved their chances of winning 6% (so it's a 100% chance of winning). They turn it over, it decreased their chances of winning by I think it was 15% (so a 79% chance of winning). They kick the field goal, their chances of winning didn't improve one bit (it was still 94%). THat's the math that teams are using now. Someone like John Harbaugh does that for almost every decision.
Now that is fuzzy math!
If they kick a FG, Seattle has to go 75 yards, score a TD AND a 2 pt conversion just to TIE the game.
Fuck them then. That's what they get! ;D
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Has there been any reason given why Zimmer didn't kick a FG on 4th and inches last night?
The numbers. Seriously.
Before the snap, they had a 94% chance of winning. If they converted, they won and it improved their chances of winning 6% (so it's a 100% chance of winning). They turn it over, it decreased their chances of winning by I think it was 15% (so a 79% chance of winning). They kick the field goal, their chances of winning didn't improve one bit (it was still 94%). THat's the math that teams are using now. Someone like John Harbaugh does that for almost every decision.
Now that is fuzzy math!
If they kick a FG, Seattle has to go 75 yards, score a TD AND a 2 pt conversion just to TIE the game.
Fuck them then. That's what they get! ;D
Also, they were running all over them, to get one more yard considering all the runs even on that drive, it was a no brainer for me to go for it there to seal the deal
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How'd that work out? :lol
They should've kicked the FG.
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doesn't mean it was the wrong call at the time, would you say that if KC scored 8 and won in OT? Which given that final drive of further distance, seems possible. Like others said, it really made sense to go for it
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I don't know. Yes, a first down would've sealed it, but at the end of the day, they lost the game. I was watching the game and when they came out in formation, I was like WTF are you doing? Kick it! That extends the lead to 8.
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How'd that work out? :lol
They should've kicked the FG.
You've got a king-nine and the dealer's showing a 4. Because you're not an idiot you're going to stand pat. The dealer flips a 6 and draws a jack for the win. Were you dumb for not taking a card with 19? Conversely, the drunken frat boy in the chair next to you has the exact same king-nine, but he thoughtlessly takes a card and draws a 2 to win. Was it a good move on this part, or was he just an idiot that just got lucky?
Moral of the story is that sometimes you make the right call and you still lose.
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Well, if the offence can't get 6 inches, coupled with the defense unable to hold a team 94 damn yards from their endzone....
Fuck them then. That's what they get! ;D
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How'd that work out? :lol
They should've kicked the FG.
You've got a king-nine and the dealer's showing a 4. Because you're not an idiot you're going to stand pat. The dealer flips a 6 and draws a jack for the win. Were you dumb for not taking a card with 19? Conversely, the drunken frat boy in the chair next to you has the exact same king-nine, but he thoughtlessly takes a card and draws a 2 to win. Was it a good move on this part, or was he just an idiot that just got lucky?
Moral of the story is that sometimes you make the right call and you still lose.
Well put. Coaches make the call, but the players got to play.
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Well, if the offence can't get 6 inches, coupled with the defense unable to hold a team 94 damn yards from their endzone....
Fuck them then. That's what they get! ;D
If you were watching, you would have seen the Vikings offense runnig wild on Seattle. Getting those 6 inches was obviously risky, but it definitely looked like a low risk high reward. Of course....
Coaches make the call, but the players got to play.
this is where the failure was. Players just couldn't execute and then the Seattle offense DID execute. Even the commentators were saying it was the right call to go for it.
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I thought they clearly made the right call by going for it, no question. Mainly because I had no doubt whatsoever that Russell Wilson would score another touchdown if he got the chance, and kicking the FG would give him the chance.
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Alright alright. TAC is dumb. I get it! :lol
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Alright alright. TAC is dumb. I get it! :lol
Finally you do.
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It definitely wasn't the right call to go for it. A chip shot FG has a higher percentage of success than a 4th & 1. You have to remember, the Vikings were ahead by 5 points. Kick the FG and increase the margin to 8. That way, if RW takes the hawks down to score (which he's most likely to do anyway), you're forcing a 2 pt. conversion. Which they ended up trying anyway and didn't get it. So, in that scenario, the Viking either win the game by 2 or it goes to OT. They didn't give themselves a chance to win by going for it on 4th.
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It definitely wasn't the right call to go for it. A chip shot FG has a higher percentage of success than a 4th & 1. You have to remember, the Vikings were ahead by 5 points. Kick the FG and increase the margin to 8. That way, if RW takes the hawks down to score (which he's most likely to do anyway), you're forcing a 2 pt. conversion. Which they ended up trying anyway and didn't get it. So, in that scenario, the Viking either win the game by 2 or it goes to OT. They didn't give themselves a chance to win by going for it on 4th.
Yeah, that's how I saw it.
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The local media is not giving the Titans much chance of winning tonight against the Bill’s.
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Two things:
1) The Titans made every team wonder if practice is necessary.
2) The dumpster fire that is this Jets season continues. How do you mismanage a star player so badly that you can’t even trade him?
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The Titans made every team wonder if practice is necessary.
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The dumpster fire that is this Jets season continues. How do you mismanage a star player so badly that you can’t even trade him?
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30095589/nfl-power-rankings-week-6-1-32-poll-plus-team-biggest-weakness
NFL Power Rankings Week 6: 1-32 poll, plus each team's biggest weakness
32. New York Jets (0-5)
Week 5 ranking: 32
Biggest weakness: Football
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LOL at that moron Bell. Forced his way out of a great organization in the playoff hunt every year to go to the worst team in the NFL and get released.
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LOL at that moron Bell. Forced his way out of a great organization in the playoff hunt every year to go to the worst team in the NFL and get released.
Some athletes are in it more for the money than the glory.
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In fairness, that's what I would do :lol
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Seems to me the problem with the Bell thing is that he was more valuable to them than Adam Gase, but once he started shooting his mouth off you had to protect the integrity of the team. I reckon NYJ would be better off with Bell than Gase, but you couldn't sack AG without validating Bell's bullshit. If Bell had just kept his fool mouth shut he'd have probably gotten what he wanted pretty soon.
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I had no idea the Titans were gonna hand the Bills their ass yesterday. I sure screwed that one up. :facepalm:
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I had no idea the Titans were gonna hand the Bills their ass yesterday. I sure screwed that one up. :facepalm:
And they did. That was DECISIVE, in all facets of the game. I certainly thought the Titans COULD win that, but I didn't see that specific outcome coming either.
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I had no idea the Titans were gonna hand the Bills their ass yesterday. I sure screwed that one up. :facepalm:
And they did. That was DECISIVE, in all facets of the game. I certainly thought the Titans COULD win that, but I didn't see that specific outcome coming either.
What I didn't see coming was Tannehill becoming a decent NFL QB.
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BTW - I have a question - If a player has the Predator style haircut (long hair out of the back of the helmet) can you tackle them by the hair? Is that legal?
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BTW - I have a question - If a player has the Predator style haircut (long hair out of the back of the helmet) can you tackle them by the hair? Is that legal?
Yes, it is legal.
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BTW - I have a question - If a player has the Predator style haircut (long hair out of the back of the helmet) can you tackle them by the hair? Is that legal?
Yes, it is legal.
Which doesn't make much sense because if grabbed from behind, it could cause the same type of injury that made horse collar tackles illegal. :dunno:
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BTW - I have a question - If a player has the Predator style haircut (long hair out of the back of the helmet) can you tackle them by the hair? Is that legal?
Yes, it is legal.
Which doesn't make much sense because if grabbed from behind, it could cause the same type of injury that made horse collar tackles illegal. :dunno:
Yeah - that what my thinking was as well.
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BTW - I have a question - If a player has the Predator style haircut (long hair out of the back of the helmet) can you tackle them by the hair? Is that legal?
Yes, it is legal.
Which doesn't make much sense because if grabbed from behind, it could cause the same type of injury that made horse collar tackles illegal. :dunno:
Yeah - that what my thinking was as well.
Then cut your hair? I think it's too difficult to rule against grabbing hair because it would lead to everyone growing their hair and being much more difficult to tackle or likelihood of getting a penalty.
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How bout just tackle the way the old school guys did it? They didn't need long hair to grab onto. Tackle the right way. :p
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How bout just tackle the way the old school guys did it? They didn't need long hair to grab onto. Tackle the right way. :p
I would consider the dreads to be part of the uniform.
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How bout just tackle the way the old school guys did it? They didn't need long hair to grab onto. Tackle the right way. :p
If we had tackles the way the old school guys did, we would have injuries on every other play.
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How bout just tackle the way the old school guys did it? They didn't need long hair to grab onto. Tackle the right way. :p
If we had tackles the way the old school guys did, we would have injuries on every other play.
The Mark Gastineau way.
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How bout just tackle the way the old school guys did it? They didn't need long hair to grab onto. Tackle the right way. :p
If we had tackles the way the old school guys did, we would have injuries on every other play.
The Mark Gastineau way.
The Dick Butkus Way.
The Mean Joe Greene Way.
The Ray Nitschke Way.
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How bout just tackle the way the old school guys did it? They didn't need long hair to grab onto. Tackle the right way. :p
If we had tackles the way the old school guys did, we would have injuries on every other play.
There weren't injuries every other play back then. I meant there's a fundamental way to tackle someone. Grabbing hair or a uniform only means that you didn't do it correctly in the first place. Try not to take what I said out of context.
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And now the Falcons are out. According to Schefter, multiple positives and the facilities are shutting down.
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How bout just tackle the way the old school guys did it? They didn't need long hair to grab onto. Tackle the right way. :p
If we had tackles the way the old school guys did, we would have injuries on every other play.
The Mark Gastineau way.
The Dick Butkus Way.
The Mean Joe Greene Way.
The Ray Nitschke Way.
I miss those day. I understand why though.
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And now the Falcons are out. According to Schefter, multiple positives and the facilities are shutting down.
Jeez! As if starting 0-5 and losing the head coach wasn't bad enough. Looks like their season is over before it had a chance to start.
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After listening to all the talking heads discussing Brady yelling at teammates, I kind of had an epiphany: why can't Brady's veteran teammates yell at HIM when he screws up? After all, a shitty pass that misses the receiver by 5 yards and costs you a down is worse than a false start penalty that only costs 5 yards. You should only yell at teammates if you've played a near-perfect game yourself. Oh yeah, and who forgot what down it was again? I mean if anyone deserved a good ass-ripping . . .
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Have you ever heard of players yelling back at veteran QB's? Why not? That are the generals on the field.
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Have you ever heard of players yelling back at veteran QB's? Why not? That are the generals on the field.
Sometimes you see a WR yell at them, but those are usually the more hot headed type of players you see do that, like a TO. And they usually come off looking poorly. However, I don't think Brady should be yelling at his new teammates personally. (although I'm not sure the circumstances here)
Funny though, I think Bill Obrien's most notable thing before being a head coach was yelling at Tom Brady :lol Like that kind of put him in the spotlight as being a leader in some way.
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This happens to a lot of the great cerebral QB's in their twilight. Dan Marino comes to mind. They know exactly where every player should be in their routes and are frustrated when a player isn't there. What makes Brady look bad is the 4 down gaff. The mental errors of Brady to the rest of the team is so small but because he's in the spotlight that 1 or 2 mistakes are amplified.
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This happens to a lot of the great cerebral QB's in their twilight. Dan Marino comes to mind. They know exactly where every player should be in their routes and are frustrated when a player isn't there. What makes Brady look bad is the 4 down gaff. The mental errors of Brady to the rest of the team is so small but because he's in the spotlight that 1 or 2 mistakes are amplified.
Well, you also just don't expect him to make that mistake either, especially at that point in the game. If that was first quarter, it probably wouldn't have been a big deal. But the GOAT at the end of a game trying to win it? Yea, that looks really bad.
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This happens to a lot of the great cerebral QB's in their twilight. Dan Marino comes to mind. They know exactly where every player should be in their routes and are frustrated when a player isn't there. What makes Brady look bad is the 4 down gaff. The mental errors of Brady to the rest of the team is so small but because he's in the spotlight that 1 or 2 mistakes are amplified.
You may have a point. In Dallas, Tony Romo and Troy Aikman were heavily criticized for getting pissed at running backs or receivers for not knowing their assignments and I don't think there is any disagreement that those two are students of the game. In fact, being the "on field general" is why Troy retired.
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This happens to a lot of the great cerebral QB's in their twilight. Dan Marino comes to mind. They know exactly where every player should be in their routes and are frustrated when a player isn't there. What makes Brady look bad is the 4 down gaff. The mental errors of Brady to the rest of the team is so small but because he's in the spotlight that 1 or 2 mistakes are amplified.
Well, you also just don't expect him to make that mistake either, especially at that point in the game. If that was first quarter, it probably wouldn't have been a big deal. But the GOAT at the end of a game trying to win it? Yea, that looks really bad.
In the day and age of headsets, I also blame the coaching staff.
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This happens to a lot of the great cerebral QB's in their twilight. Dan Marino comes to mind. They know exactly where every player should be in their routes and are frustrated when a player isn't there. What makes Brady look bad is the 4 down gaff. The mental errors of Brady to the rest of the team is so small but because he's in the spotlight that 1 or 2 mistakes are amplified.
Well, you also just don't expect him to make that mistake either, especially at that point in the game. If that was first quarter, it probably wouldn't have been a big deal. But the GOAT at the end of a game trying to win it? Yea, that looks really bad.
In the day and age of headsets, I also blame the coaching staff.
Well, the coach said Tom knew, makes me think they communicated properly and he just had a brain fart. Who knows.
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It's hard to trust Arians. He talks out of both sides of his ass sometimes.
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How bout just tackle the way the old school guys did it? They didn't need long hair to grab onto. Tackle the right way. :p
If we had tackles the way the old school guys did, we would have injuries on every other play.
There weren't injuries every other play back then. I meant there's a fundamental way to tackle someone. Grabbing hair or a uniform only means that you didn't do it correctly in the first place. Try not to take what I said out of context.
I think there's something to be said for the equipment being as much a hinderance as a help. Rugby is a tough, physical game, but they don't have the pads that football players do. I get that it's a different game, with players in different positions, but still. If you don't have a helmet, you can't lower the helmet into someone. You're thinking more about your technique and your positioning.
I'm not suggesting that we get rid of padding or equipment, I'm just saying that it's a dynamic, and one that's hard to calibrate the "sweet spot".
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Rugby is second only to hockey as the toughest sport out there. Those guys are a bunch of bad-asses! :metal
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What I didn't see coming was Tannehill becoming a decent NFL QB.
I fully understand the point you're making, and I think the point is wholly valid. But I have to point out that since joining the Titans, Tannehill has in actuality been way better than "decent." Let's play a round of "guess the quarterback":
Quarterback A, last 14 starts:
11-3 record, 3,674 pass yards, 28/6 TD/INT, 102.3 rating
Quarterback B, last 14 starts:
11-3 record, 3,602 pass yards, 31/6 TD/INT, 116.7 rating
I'll give you a hint... one of them is Ryan Tannehill, and the other is 2018 MVP Patrick Mahomes. And their head-to-head record during that time is also 1-1, which is fun.
(For what it's worth, QB A is Mahomes and QB B is Tannehill.)
Let's play another round...
Quarterback C, last 17 starts:
13-4 record, 36/7 TD/INT
Quarterback D, last 17 starts:
15-2 record, 36/8 TD/INT
One of these quarterbacks won the 2019 MVP award in a runaway vote. The other quarterback crushed said MVP on the road in a divisional playoff game en route to the AFC championship game.
(QB C is Ryan Tannehill, QB D is Lamar Jackson)
Now, I'm not being a homer here and demanding that everyone proclaim Tannehill as the GOAT or this season's MVP or anything like that. But what I *AM* saying is that he is way, way, WAY better than "decent." His performance has literally stood neck and neck with both Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson since joining the Titans organization, and has played a full season's (and postseason's) worth of games. He is playing at an elite level, and this is no longer over a small sample size. I'm not generally a fan/follower of Colin Cowherd, but he did a great piece this past week on swallowing his pride and acknowledging that his first impressions of Tannehill and the Titans (vs Mahomes/Chiefs and Jackson/Ravens) have been totally wrong. These 3 players and teams have been incredibly comparable for about a year now.
In other Titans news, Derrick Henry is a beast who does things I've never seen any football player do before. I can't decide what's better- when he chucked Josh Norman aside horizontally this past week or his spinning Earl Thomas a full 180-degrees so that he became his own personal blocker in last year's divisional playoff. I'll go with the latter, because it was the playoffs but even moreso because of the trash talk Thomas made prior to the game about the non-issue (ha!) of handling Henry. Either way, I've never seen ANYONE manhandle would-be tacklers like this before.
I'm also very eager to see if the Titans can sustain the level of play they showed vs Buffalo into this next week and beyond. That Tuesday night COVID-impacted game had all kinds of special circumstances and "us against the world" setup... Can the Titans bring the same intensity to the rest of the schedule, especially when they're not "sneaking up" on everyone anymore? As a long-time Oilers/Titans fan, I've seen too many times where the Titans win all the games they're not supposed to, but also throw away the ones they're supposed to win handily. The real champions play excellent football consistently.
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I have no idea why the Redskins went for 2 to win the game instead of likely play for OT with 30 seconds left. Like, Daniel Jones has not shown any ability to win a game and the Redskins had worn down the Giants d to a point where if they won the coin toss, they'd likely win. Whatever, ill take my teams first win and back in the NFC east race :lol
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Next Sunday’s showdown will be the Steelers at the Titans, both undefeated. Not sure how many fans will be allowed for the game.
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I have no idea why the Redskins went for 2 to win the game instead of likely play for OT with 30 seconds left. Like, Daniel Jones has not shown any ability to win a game and the Redskins had worn down the Giants d to a point where if they won the coin toss, they'd likely win. Whatever, ill take my teams first win and back in the NFC east race :lol
I think you just made the case for taking it to OT. If NYG can't move the ball, and WAS has worn down the D, then you're better off getting a full series than a toss-up 2PC.
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I have no idea why the Redskins went for 2 to win the game instead of likely play for OT with 30 seconds left. Like, Daniel Jones has not shown any ability to win a game and the Redskins had worn down the Giants d to a point where if they won the coin toss, they'd likely win. Whatever, ill take my teams first win and back in the NFC east race :lol
Uh... what team?
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Riverboat Ron did it again.
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Can we please teach Terry Bradshaw the proper pronunciation of the team from Jacksonville?
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Damn. Now I will notice it. Lol
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I have no idea why the Redskins went for 2 to win the game instead of likely play for OT with 30 seconds left. Like, Daniel Jones has not shown any ability to win a game and the Redskins had worn down the Giants d to a point where if they won the coin toss, they'd likely win. Whatever, ill take my teams first win and back in the NFC east race :lol
I think you just made the case for taking it to OT. If NYG can't move the ball, and WAS has worn down the D, then you're better off getting a full series than a toss-up 2PC.
Yea, that was my point. I almost thought for sure when they scored, they would win in OT at that point and was shocked they went for two. As a Giants fan, I am obviously happy how it turned out, but that seemed like a bad coaching call considering the circumstances. NYG had been able to move the ball, so it's not that, it's more that Daniel Jones is a TO machine so even if they lost the coin toss, I'd have no faith on him doing a game winning drive. And if they won the toss, well, they'd continue to wear down and likely score on the tired D. Seemed like an easy decision, instead they went for it all in a gamble.
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The Rodgers/Brady matchup never materialized. Packers always seem to sleepwalk their games after the bye week.
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I have no idea why the Redskins went for 2 to win the game instead of likely play for OT with 30 seconds left. Like, Daniel Jones has not shown any ability to win a game and the Redskins had worn down the Giants d to a point where if they won the coin toss, they'd likely win. Whatever, ill take my teams first win and back in the NFC east race :lol
I think you just made the case for taking it to OT. If NYG can't move the ball, and WAS has worn down the D, then you're better off getting a full series than a toss-up 2PC.
Yea, that was my point. I almost thought for sure when they scored, they would win in OT at that point and was shocked they went for two. As a Giants fan, I am obviously happy how it turned out, but that seemed like a bad coaching call considering the circumstances. NYG had been able to move the ball, so it's not that, it's more that Daniel Jones is a TO machine so even if they lost the coin toss, I'd have no faith on him doing a game winning drive. And if they won the toss, well, they'd continue to wear down and likely score on the tired D. Seemed like an easy decision, instead they went for it all in a gamble.
My bad. I misread your post. The guy calling the game I was watching rambled on and on and on about how stupid a team was for not going for two in that situation.
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If they got it, I'm sure many would say it was a great call, but given I was watching the whole game and feeling the flow of it, it really was shocking to try that.
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Oh so Brady can shake hands after a win? What a tool, and sore loser. No one else pulls that shit.
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Can we please teach Terry Bradshaw the proper pronunciation of the team from Jacksonville?
I loved his throwaway line when commenting on the Browns Steelers game; the camera showed OBJ throwing his helmet or something, and Bradshaw noted the frustration and said "Get used to it, son". I didn't see the game, but I guess Mayfield was benched.
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What I didn't see coming was Tannehill becoming a decent NFL QB.
I fully understand the point you're making, and I think the point is wholly valid. But I have to point out that since joining the Titans, Tannehill has in actuality been way better than "decent." Let's play a round of "guess the quarterback":
Quarterback A, last 14 starts:
11-3 record, 3,674 pass yards, 28/6 TD/INT, 102.3 rating
Quarterback B, last 14 starts:
11-3 record, 3,602 pass yards, 31/6 TD/INT, 116.7 rating
I'll give you a hint... one of them is Ryan Tannehill, and the other is 2018 MVP Patrick Mahomes. And their head-to-head record during that time is also 1-1, which is fun.
(For what it's worth, QB A is Mahomes and QB B is Tannehill.)
Let's play another round...
Quarterback C, last 17 starts:
13-4 record, 36/7 TD/INT
Quarterback D, last 17 starts:
15-2 record, 36/8 TD/INT
One of these quarterbacks won the 2019 MVP award in a runaway vote. The other quarterback crushed said MVP on the road in a divisional playoff game en route to the AFC championship game.
(QB C is Ryan Tannehill, QB D is Lamar Jackson)
Now, I'm not being a homer here and demanding that everyone proclaim Tannehill as the GOAT or this season's MVP or anything like that. But what I *AM* saying is that he is way, way, WAY better than "decent." His performance has literally stood neck and neck with both Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson since joining the Titans organization, and has played a full season's (and postseason's) worth of games. He is playing at an elite level, and this is no longer over a small sample size. I'm not generally a fan/follower of Colin Cowherd, but he did a great piece this past week on swallowing his pride and acknowledging that his first impressions of Tannehill and the Titans (vs Mahomes/Chiefs and Jackson/Ravens) have been totally wrong. These 3 players and teams have been incredibly comparable for about a year now.
In other Titans news, Derrick Henry is a beast who does things I've never seen any football player do before. I can't decide what's better- when he chucked Josh Norman aside horizontally this past week or his spinning Earl Thomas a full 180-degrees so that he became his own personal blocker in last year's divisional playoff. I'll go with the latter, because it was the playoffs but even moreso because of the trash talk Thomas made prior to the game about the non-issue (ha!) of handling Henry. Either way, I've never seen ANYONE manhandle would-be tacklers like this before.
I'm also very eager to see if the Titans can sustain the level of play they showed vs Buffalo into this next week and beyond. That Tuesday night COVID-impacted game had all kinds of special circumstances and "us against the world" setup... Can the Titans bring the same intensity to the rest of the schedule, especially when they're not "sneaking up" on everyone anymore? As a long-time Oilers/Titans fan, I've seen too many times where the Titans win all the games they're not supposed to, but also throw away the ones they're supposed to win handily. The real champions play excellent football consistently.
But... but... MAHOMES. You can't bad-mouth him like that. He's the GOAT! He's running for President! His State Farm commercials are hilarious! Be careful, or his mom will tweet about you!
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Yeah, Derrick Henry is otherworldly.
Pack gave up. I've never seen that before. First 5 minutes of that game looked like a Packers romp.
Bears keep chugging along. Nothing fancy, just wins.
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Yesterday was a big day for Roethlisberger because Elway was always his idol and why he wears #7.
QB Wins Regular Season Including Playoffs
222 Brady 252 Brady
186 Manning 200 Manning
186 Favre 199 Favre
166 Brees 174 Brees
149 Roethlisberger 162 Roethlisberger
148 Elway 162 Elway
147 Marino 155 Marino
No one else is within 20 of those guys. Of course Ben has missed over 2 seasons worth of games due to injury which is another 16-24 wins. Manning also lost a bunch of wins to injury. Can't touch the Brady/Belichick combo obviously.
Winning Pct, 50+ starts
775 Brady
713 Montana
702 Manning
689 Wilson
677 Roethlisberger
LOL Cleveland Clowns. Also Cowherd had a fascinating stat on Aaron Rodgers today - he has a losing record in games in which he has trailed at ANY point in the game, even the first 5 minutes. Cowherd basically called him a front-runner, a bailer, and a bunch of other stuff. Wow.
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We got a double-header in football today. Considering that I have been working from since March with no plans to go back, I could get real used to this kind of schedule. :metal
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I'm sort of an Aaron Rogers fan - meaning I like to watch him play - but I can't really figure him out. There's something about him that keeps me from thinking he's really, truly, one of the greats of all time. He's with Marino in that category (yes I know I'm in the minority there). Seem to always have an excuse or a reason why it just fell a little short. Even if they are legit reasons; I think the real greats of all time found a way to win when there was every reason NOT to.
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I'm sort of an Aaron Rogers fan - meaning I like to watch him play - but I can't really figure him out. There's something about him that keeps me from thinking he's really, truly, one of the greats of all time.
Something in the air in Green Bay. Brett FAH-vray is the biggest fake great of all time. Winning percentage barely above .500 and the NFL's career leader in interceptions thrown by miles and miles.
Also, RIP Fred Dean.
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I'm sort of an Aaron Rogers fan - meaning I like to watch him play - but I can't really figure him out. There's something about him that keeps me from thinking he's really, truly, one of the greats of all time. He's with Marino in that category (yes I know I'm in the minority there). Seem to always have an excuse or a reason why it just fell a little short. Even if they are legit reasons; I think the real greats of all time found a way to win when there was every reason NOT to.
The Marino comparison is interesting. I used to work with a Pitt alum who was pretty critical of Marino for being an incredibly selfish QB in that he wanted, while at Pitt and Miami, the offense to revolve around him, aka, no running game. We know how Marino's career went and while Rodgers has won a SB, he would benefit from a decent running game and got to more SBs, more titles. Look at Elway, he didn't start winning SBs until he got a running game. I always felt for Marino that he only went to one SB but he brought on himself. I agree, Rodgers won't go down as one of the truly great ones of all time.
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I'm sort of an Aaron Rogers fan - meaning I like to watch him play - but I can't really figure him out. There's something about him that keeps me from thinking he's really, truly, one of the greats of all time. He's with Marino in that category (yes I know I'm in the minority there). Seem to always have an excuse or a reason why it just fell a little short. Even if they are legit reasons; I think the real greats of all time found a way to win when there was every reason NOT to.
The Marino comparison is interesting. I used to work with a Pitt alum who was pretty critical of Marino for being an incredibly selfish QB in that he wanted, while at Pitt and Miami, the offense to revolve around him, aka, no running game. We know how Marino's career went and while Rodgers has won a SB, he would benefit from a decent running game and got to more SBs, more titles. Look at Elway, he didn't start winning SBs until he got a running game. I always felt for Marino that he only went to one SB but he brought on himself. I agree, Rodgers won't go down as one of the truly great ones of all time.
I'm not a Marino fan. I know he's got great numbers, but I just have a mental picture of this sweaty red face yelling at one of his receivers for... something, I don't know what. It seemed less about winning games, however that had to happen, and more about scripting the world to your viewpoint. That's the very thing that makes Belichick so great; he has no script. He does what he has to do to beat the other team. Run? Okay, we'll run. Shoot out? Okay, we'll shoot it out. Defense? Okay, we'll shut you down. No, it's not perfect, but the world isn't. He's got a track record of wins - against teams he had no business beating - that speaks for itself.
EDIT: That's also why Tom Brady is dead to me. I kid, of course (I picked them this week and I rooted for him to win) but he's trying to put together something that makes HIM comfortable, and that's only part of it. It'll be interesting to see when they get a game that can't be won with Gronk on a seven-pattern.
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[Tannehill, Mahomes, Jackson QB stat comparisons]
But... but... MAHOMES. You can't bad-mouth him like that. He's the GOAT! He's running for President! His State Farm commercials are hilarious! Be careful, or his mom will tweet about you!
Hahaha. SO true.
And to be clear, I think Mahomes is pretty awesome so far in his career. But it's an open and ongoing competition, and there are, have been, and will be other guys and teams that are also great/awesome (and likely even better). Some will be great for a long time, others for flashes, others only during certain chapters. But I do get mighty tired of all-consuming hype narratives in sports (and politics, and news, and social trends, and...), and have learned to take virtually every proclamation-as-fact with a huge grain of salt. Any given Sunday. That's the GREAT thing about sports and football, specifically. Each game is a new chance, each season starts over from 0-0. Tannheill's reputation as a Dolphin clearly isn't an applicable description of his reality NOW. Mahomes/Jackson/Wilson/Rodgers/Brady/Watson/Newton/Dak/Garappalo/Minshew/Trevor/whomever-we're-hyping-this-week has to prove it over and over on the field, despite whatever noise surrounds them. I try to pretty much ignore the noise, and appreciate the given Sunday.
That said, as I've said several times on here, it's been real fun since last December to finally have my never-in-the-spotlight team finally be a topic of discussion in the sports world. It's been so rare, that now I'm really enjoying the ride, however far (or not) it goes. I appreciate it, rather than expect it or, even worse, being numb/indifferent to it. Not sure my Titans will ever be glamorous media darlings, or married to supermodels, or have anyone serve as the face of the NFL, but man they're effective/fun out there despite their flaws and I'm having a blast. Most fun I've had watching this team since the Eddie George/Steve McNair days, and the Warren Moon run-and-shoot days before that.
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Get into a fist fight and do anything stereotyped as "fighting like a girl" and you'll be ridiculed by the same crowd that acts like it's not cheap as shit to pull a guy down by his hair. It's nice to see that they're so against dudes having long hair that they'll gladly be hypocrites just to support a cheap tactic.
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All the sports analysts are having a field day with their NFC East coverage. By far the bottom feeding division of the NFL. They are all so fascinated by the fact that this division is so bad, that it just might be possible for a 5-11 team to host a wild card playoff game against a team with an 11-5 record. :lol I mean, we've all seen teams with losing records win their division, but this is ridiculous. I never imagined that Dallas would be leading the division thru 6 games at 2-4. Pathetic. :\
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All the sports analysts are having a field day with their NFC East coverage. By far the bottom feeding division of the NFL. They are all so fascinated by the fact that this division is so bad, that it just might be possible for a 5-11 team to host a wild card playoff game against a team with an 11-5 record. :lol I mean, we've all seen teams with losing records win their division, but this is ridiculous. I never imagined that Dallas would be leading the division thru 6 games at 2-4. Pathetic.
It is pathetic, but it's at least giving me, a Giants fan, a reason to watch and even see a light at the end of the tunnel for such a terrible team :lol like, if they can win tonight, they are actually in a good spot to still win the division sitting at 2-5. I mean, I don't expect them to win, but the hope of improvement and playing in meaningful games at the end of the season still seems possible because their competition isn't much better.
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All the sports analysts are having a field day with their NFC East coverage. By far the bottom feeding division of the NFL. They are all so fascinated by the fact that this division is so bad, that it just might be possible for a 5-11 team to host a wild card playoff game against a team with an 11-5 record. :lol I mean, we've all seen teams with losing records win their division, but this is ridiculous. I never imagined that Dallas would be leading the division thru 6 games at 2-4. Pathetic.
It is pathetic, but it's at least giving me, a Giants fan, a reason to watch and even see a light at the end of the tunnel for such a terrible team :lol like, if they can win tonight, they are actually in a good spot to still win the division sitting at 2-5. I mean, I don't expect them to win, but the hope of improvement and playing in meaningful games at the end of the season still seems possible because their competition isn't much better.
Hey, anything with this division is possible. I just know that my Dallas Cowboys could not beat the Coppell Cowboys. Ohhh...HUnnus us going back to bed. :tdwn
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All the sports analysts are having a field day with their NFC East coverage. By far the bottom feeding division of the NFL. They are all so fascinated by the fact that this division is so bad, that it just might be possible for a 5-11 team to host a wild card playoff game against a team with an 11-5 record. :lol I mean, we've all seen teams with losing records win their division, but this is ridiculous. I never imagined that Dallas would be leading the division thru 6 games at 2-4. Pathetic.
It is pathetic, but it's at least giving me, a Giants fan, a reason to watch and even see a light at the end of the tunnel for such a terrible team :lol like, if they can win tonight, they are actually in a good spot to still win the division sitting at 2-5. I mean, I don't expect them to win, but the hope of improvement and playing in meaningful games at the end of the season still seems possible because their competition isn't much better.
True, but I'm actually picking Philly tonight because they're at home. However, if the G-men win, that's ok too cause I really can't stand the Beagles. :lol
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All the sports analysts are having a field day with their NFC East coverage. By far the bottom feeding division of the NFL. They are all so fascinated by the fact that this division is so bad, that it just might be possible for a 5-11 team to host a wild card playoff game against a team with an 11-5 record. :lol I mean, we've all seen teams with losing records win their division, but this is ridiculous. I never imagined that Dallas would be leading the division thru 6 games at 2-4. Pathetic.
It is pathetic, but it's at least giving me, a Giants fan, a reason to watch and even see a light at the end of the tunnel for such a terrible team :lol like, if they can win tonight, they are actually in a good spot to still win the division sitting at 2-5. I mean, I don't expect them to win, but the hope of improvement and playing in meaningful games at the end of the season still seems possible because their competition isn't much better.
True, but I'm actually picking Philly tonight because they're at home. However, if the G-men win, that's ok too cause I really can't stand the Beagles. :lol
Nothing wrong with picking the Eagles, even though they are my #1 most hated team in sports, but its really a crapshoot and the Giants have been pretty bad all year. As someone who has watched almost all of their snaps though, I do see them actually improving. OL has been making room for the run game and the defense has kept them in games. I just have ZERO faith that Daniel Jones can lead them on a game winning drive when these games inevitably come down to the wire.
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Well, he almost ran 80 yds for a TD. His legs just wouldn’t let him. You had to chuckle. He was almost there. :eek
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Well, he almost ran 80 yds for a TD. His legs just wouldn’t let him. You had to chuckle. He was almost there. :eek
I was laughing hard at that too :rollin
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Well, he almost ran 80 yds for a TD. His legs just wouldn’t let him. You had to chuckle. He was almost there. :eek
I was laughing hard at that too :rollin
Yeah, that wasn't a trip at all. That was his legs saying "yeah, we're done now." :lol
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Yeah, he definitely didn't trip, but what Aikman said was funny, "the turf monster got him." :lol
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I just finished reading an amazing bio of Joe DiMaggio (by Richard Ben Cramer; HIGHLY recommended, even if you're not a Yankee fan), and it never ceases to amaze me how sport - not just baseball or football - has progressed since the 40's and 50's. Those guys lived and died by their playoff/World Series cuts. Some guys doubled their salaries if they made the Series, and for many, it was the difference between making money or not. It certainly influenced the "product" (in a good way, if you ask me) and having that incentive, instead of having the NFL/MLB be a big-time "payoff" for past performance, might not be the worst thing in the world.
Yup - see one Zeke Elliot. :tdwn
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Damn, the Pats suck! :lol
WTF has happened to Gilmore? He seems like he doesn't even want to be there.
I'd start Stidham in the 2nd half. Newton has been shit.
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Cam was a league MVP MY ASS!
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Cam was a league MVP MY ASS!
Gilmore was the Defensive POTY MY ASS!
Two asses! :lol
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Some crazy exciting finishes today.
In the Pats vs. Brady and Gronk experiment, I would have bet a months wages that Belichek and the time-tested, proven system would come out on top. So far I'm wrong. Gotta say, I'm very surprised at how much the Pats dropped off.
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Gilmore literally just bailed on a guy running in for a TD.
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Stidham looks good so far playing against a D who is playing soft right now.
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I just tuned into the pats game and Jesus christ what a massacre. I'm sure Cam is currently shopping for clothes on the surface.
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I hope they are traveling suits.
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:lol
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Cam was a league MVP MY ASS!
Gilmore was the Defensive POTY MY ASS!
Two asses! :lol
The secondary has still been pretty good under the circumstances (and didn't Gilmour had pick+nice return today?). When your front six or seven can neither stop the run nor rush the passer you're going to give up yards in the air regardless of who's playing. A Deion, Revis, Lott, and Polamaulu unit would have looked bad today.
NE could have been competitive with a weak defensive front by itself. Once their O-line got wiped out that ended. They can't run. They can't protect Cam, who suddenly seems to have zero pocket presence. So they can't keep their D off the field and they can't put up points to control the game. They're pretty much fucked across the board.
In the Pats vs. Brady and Gronk experiment, I would have bet a months wages that Belichek and the time-tested, proven system would come out on top. So far I'm wrong. Gotta say, I'm very surprised at how much the Pats dropped off.
I'm not ready to read a lot into that--just yet. Brady moved to an all-star team. He's got no excuse for not putting up allstar numbers. Conversely, NE has really taken a beating from the personnel standpoint. Decimated by defections, opt-outs, and injuries. I don't think we're seeing a fair comparison. And, I really don't know as the Patriots would be any better if 12 were still there. Also, TB has dropped two games, and will drop more, because of stupid mistakes and indiscipline that never popped up in NE. Tampa will not be a super bowl team, despite Brady's numbers, and a great deal of that is a lack of Bill Belichick.
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Cam was a league MVP MY ASS!
Gilmore was the Defensive POTY MY ASS!
Two asses! :lol
The secondary has still been pretty good under the circumstances (and didn't Gilmour had pick+nice return today?). When your front six or seven can neither stop the run nor rush the passer you're going to give up yards in the air regardless of who's playing. A Deion, Revis, Lott, and Polamaulu unit would have looked bad today.
I missed the Gilmour pick. But I did see him with ZERO effort on two rushing TDs. He has sleepwalked through this season. To me he quit today.
The D backs have some good young players in that group. Too bad they're watching Gilmour dog it through this season.
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When did Sly Stone become QB for the Patriots? :D
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Yeah, he definitely didn't trip, but what Aikman said was funny, "the turf monster got him." :lol
That's even more funnier coming from Troy Aikman.
Makes me think of the Futurama joke with Buzz Aldrin...
"I haven't had an introduction like that since I met the moon men."
(Everyone Laughs)
"But seriously, there are moon men."
"But seriously, there is a Turf Monster."
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Cam was a league MVP MY ASS!
Gilmore was the Defensive POTY MY ASS!
Two asses! :lol
The secondary has still been pretty good under the circumstances (and didn't Gilmour had pick+nice return today?). When your front six or seven can neither stop the run nor rush the passer you're going to give up yards in the air regardless of who's playing. A Deion, Revis, Lott, and Polamaulu unit would have looked bad today.
I missed the Gilmour pick. But I did see him with ZERO effort on two rushing TDs. He has sleepwalked through this season. To me he quit today.
The D backs have some good young players in that group. Too bad they're watching Gilmour dog it through this season.
I really haven't seen that at all. However, by all accounts they're definitely shopping him.
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About time someone beat the Seahawks. :metal
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Damn, the Pats suck! :lol
WTF has happened to Gilmore? He seems like he doesn't even want to be there.
I'd start Stidham in the 2nd half. Newton has been shit.
I didn't see that coming.
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I'm not ready to read a lot into that--just yet. Brady moved to an all-star team. He's got no excuse for not putting up allstar numbers. Conversely, NE has really taken a beating from the personnel standpoint. Decimated by defections, opt-outs, and injuries. I don't think we're seeing a fair comparison. And, I really don't know as the Patriots would be any better if 12 were still there. Also, TB has dropped two games, and will drop more, because of stupid mistakes and indiscipline that never popped up in NE. Tampa will not be a super bowl team, despite Brady's numbers, and a great deal of that is a lack of Bill Belichick.
I didn't see every snap of the game yesterday, but I was thinking about this last night and I think this is SPOT ON. I think this is perfect analysis.
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Brady made Tampa an all star team.
Just like Brady made last year's Pats team seem like a playoff team.
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About time someone beat the Seahawks. :metal
Yeah, it was actually the Seahawks.
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About time someone beat the Seahawks. :metal
Yup....I was really concerned about this one. And rightly so, It went into Overtime, and that says a lot. Especially this wack ass (comical) season.
To me, this season, is on the verge of Ridiculousness. It's hilarious and I don't know how serious the players are taking it either, they're there because they need to make money. Can't be sponsored if you don't play...
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Brady made Tampa an all star team.
Just like Brady made last year's Pats team seem like a playoff team.
Brady seems like the type of guy who will work with anybody. Meaning, he'll put his Ego away and work to make the TEAM, better. Gronk understood, and they are now a pair that plays together, as they both get it.
Newton on the other hand, seems like the type of guy to do his own thing. Like Antonio Bell...
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About time someone beat the Seahawks. :metal
Yup....I was really concerned about this one. And rightly so, It went into Overtime, and that says a lot. Especially this wack ass (comical) season.
To me, this season, is on the verge of Ridiculousness. It's hilarious and I don't know how serious the players are taking it either, they're there because they need to make money. Can't be sponsored if you don't play...
On the verge? Not if you're a Cowboys fan. We're 100% there on the planet Ridiculous! >:(
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Brady made Tampa an all star team.
Just like Brady made last year's Pats team seem like a playoff team.
Brady seems like the type of guy who will work with anybody. Meaning, he'll put his Ego away and work to make the TEAM, better. Gronk understood, and they are now a pair that plays together, as they both get it.
Newton on the other hand, seems like the type of guy to do his own thing. Like Antonio Bell...
Jimmy Garropolo would probably think differently of that assessment.
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I loved Michael Strahan's view of the Cowboys on Sunday: "I'm done with the Kool-aid; they are who their record says they are."
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About time someone beat the Seahawks. :metal
Yeah, it was actually the Seahawks.
:facepalm: Yeesh what a disaster.
Glad Herbert (Chargers) got his first win.
Tonight's game should be good.
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Brady made Tampa an all star team.
Just like Brady made last year's Pats team seem like a playoff team.
Brady seems like the type of guy who will work with anybody. Meaning, he'll put his Ego away and work to make the TEAM, better. Gronk understood, and they are now a pair that plays together, as they both get it.
Newton on the other hand, seems like the type of guy to do his own thing. Like Antonio Bell...
Jimmy Garropolo would probably think differently of that assessment.
:lol
All accounts was that he dud help him in his growth but when push comes to shove over your own job and you have the ear of the owner...
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Brady made Tampa an all star team.
Just like Brady made last year's Pats team seem like a playoff team.
Brady seems like the type of guy who will work with anybody. Meaning, he'll put his Ego away and work to make the TEAM, better. Gronk understood, and they are now a pair that plays together, as they both get it.
Newton on the other hand, seems like the type of guy to do his own thing. Like Antonio Bell...
Jimmy Garropolo would probably think differently of that assessment.
:lol
All accounts was that he dud help him in his growth but when push comes to shove over your own job and you have the ear of the owner...
In retrospect it was kind of a dick move, though. Brady had to have known this was coming. Clearly he didn't even want to finish his career under Bill. If he were going to be around 5+ more years then that's one thing, but running your own replacement out of town and then bailing 2 seasons later really wasn't cool.
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Like a girl who loves you but knows she's looking at other guys. It's inevitable.
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Brady made Tampa an all star team.
Just like Brady made last year's Pats team seem like a playoff team.
Brady seems like the type of guy who will work with anybody. Meaning, he'll put his Ego away and work to make the TEAM, better. Gronk understood, and they are now a pair that plays together, as they both get it.
Newton on the other hand, seems like the type of guy to do his own thing. Like Antonio Bell...
Jimmy Garropolo would probably think differently of that assessment.
:lol
All accounts was that he dud help him in his growth but when push comes to shove over your own job and you have the ear of the owner...
In retrospect it was kind of a dick move, though. Brady had to have known this was coming. Clearly he didn't even want to finish his career under Bill. If he were going to be around 5+ more years then that's one thing, but running your own replacement out of town and then bailing 2 seasons later really wasn't cool.
He actually asked out 6 months later after the Eagles SB.
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And Kraft talked him out of it. BB wouldn't give him a 2 year deal.
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Like a girl who loves you but knows she's looking at other guys. It's inevitable.
That sounds oddly specific... :) :) :)
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:lol
Oh yeah. Lol
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Joe, I was intending to have this talk with you privately, but...well...since you brought it up here in the thread, I guess this is as good a place as any. I've just been feeling...restless lately. Sometimes your mind just starts to wander, you know? And at first, it seems perfectly innocent. But as time goes on, you start to realize that...maybe there's something else out there for me. Something...I dunno. Look, it's not you--it's me. And I just...I just want to make sure that we can still be friends at the end of all this. No matter what, I'll always love you like a brother.
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I've been so spoiled it's hard to be depressed. It's more anger that egos, especially 2 egos broke up the best run ever.
That being said, how can I complain? We have been spoiled jn N.E. with all 4 major sports.
Still, seeing Brady play well makes me mad, not at him but at the organization.
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I hear you. Those types of situations never seem to make sense at the time. It reminds me of a situation that took place years ago. I'll change the names to protect the identities of those involved so that no one will know who I am talking about. So let's say hypothetically that you have the makings of a dynasty and a quarterback that has led your team to...I dunno...let's say four Superbowls. We'll call him...John Idaho. And then the team just up and trades him into a different conference to a team you don't even care about. I can tell you from experience that it's pretty gut wrenching. That is, until you realize that the former backup--we'll call him Stefan Youth--is a pretty good starting QB in his own right and can carry the torch forward. I'm just saying that these things can work themselves out. Hypothetically speaking, of course.
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Still, seeing Brady play well makes me mad, not at him but at the organization.
I can't really see it like that. That organization gave him the opportunity to thrive for most of his career. And in the end he decided he'd rather have fun that stick with them. I can't really fault the guy, but he certainly did his fair part to break tear the thing down for somewhat selfish reasons.
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If TB had retired (which he probably should've anyway), the Pats would still be in the same situation with the exception of a few variables maybe.
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Still, seeing Brady play well makes me mad, not at him but at the organization.
I can't really see it like that. That organization gave him the opportunity to thrive for most of his career. And in the end he decided he'd rather have fun that stick with them. I can't really fault the guy, but he certainly did his fair part to break tear the thing down for somewhat selfish reasons.
I'm mad at the Patriots organization El Barto. How they handled the greatest player in history. I know I shouldn't be naive but up to the 2018 season he was at such a high level. Bill didn't change his philosophy to continue with him. He should have just gone with Jimmy G then go with this unknown at QB.
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I hear you. Those types of situations never seem to make sense at the time. It reminds me of a situation that took place years ago. I'll change the names to protect the identities of those involved so that no one will know who I am talking about. So let's say hypothetically that you have the makings of a dynasty and a quarterback that has led your team to...I dunno...let's say four Superbowls. We'll call him...John Idaho. And then the team just up and trades him into a different conference to a team you don't even care about. I can tell you from experience that it's pretty gut wrenching. That is, until you realize that the former backup--we'll call him Stefan Youth--is a pretty good starting QB in his own right and can carry the torch forward. I'm just saying that these things can work themselves out. Hypothetically speaking, of course.
How do I type out those Law and Order noises to start the show? Lol
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I hear you. Those types of situations never seem to make sense at the time. It reminds me of a situation that took place years ago. I'll change the names to protect the identities of those involved so that no one will know who I am talking about. So let's say hypothetically that you have the makings of a dynasty and a quarterback that has led your team to...I dunno...let's say four Superbowls. We'll call him...John Idaho. And then the team just up and trades him into a different conference to a team you don't even care about. I can tell you from experience that it's pretty gut wrenching. That is, until you realize that the former backup--we'll call him Stefan Youth--is a pretty good starting QB in his own right and can carry the torch forward. I'm just saying that these things can work themselves out. Hypothetically speaking, of course.
What team was that? The Santa Frank 50's?
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I think it's more complicated than just transition. Young had to want to be the backup to Montana. The organization had to want to deal Montana. There were TWO coaches involved too.
Here, I think the Garappolo thing is a big part of this; if Belichick was committed to moving forward with Jimmy G., that's a problem. Certainly this isn't Cam Newton's team, and I question that call by Belichick. Is that teaching Stidham to be ready? Newton is not a team QB like that; they'd been better off bringing in Andy Dalton or, gasp, Philip Rivers (that hurt me to type that), someone who perhaps has less to prove regarding their role in the bigger picture.
I'm okay with this; I don't buy into the stat hype ("this is the latest they've been below .500 since 1864; this is the longest losing streak since 1972"...). Bottom line is, where is your last meaningful game? November or January? I have faith in Bill. These things don't happen overnight, and especially if all the pieces aren't there.
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I'm rooting for the Rams to go all the way and win Super Bowl. That way, the city of LA will have a sports trifecta. Might as well in this time of the covids. :hat
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With that defense, and in spite of those drab unis, they have a shot.
Ravens-Steelers today at 1pm (taking the Steelers unless the Balto O wakes up and the D gets a couple of TOs). One of three games my wife and I would have attended this year. Why this rivalry game isn't always a 425pm or night game baffles me. Instead, we get the Cowboys-Eagles tonight and Bucs-Giants tomorrow :lol :tdwn
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With that defense, and in spite of those drab unis, they have a shot.
Ravens-Steelers today at 1pm (taking the Steelers unless the Balto O wakes up and the D gets a couple of TOs). One of three games my wife and I would have attended this year. Why this rivalry game isn't always a 425pm or night game baffles me. Instead, we get the Cowboys-Eagles tonight and Bucs-Giants tomorrow :lol :tdwn
You know what's crazy?? The Cowboys can take sole possession of 1st place with a win tonight. :tdwn
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Jets have the Chiefs on tap today. Do I even bother watching?
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Only if you are betting the spread one way or another.
When I still lived in Michigan and (faithfully?) followed the Lions, I often golfed on Sundays until 2 or 3pm. We'd watch the ending at the 19th hole, and then I'd check the video tape at home, FF, and skip through other than the Sanders runs during the off years. A two yard run was often as exciting as any other team's TDs. I've been very lucky to be in Baltimore this century.
I do remember a 2-14 season in the late 70s. My buddies and I would always get together, knowing the game would result in an 'L', while trying to look at the positives of some of the players. I do feel your pain.
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I was gonna say I can't believe that Cam put the biscuit on the linoleum at the end of the game today but specifically because it's him I can believe it. That's the kind of mistake that is never surprising coming from someone like him, Crab Leg Thief, or Mark Sanchez.
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Got to admit that Cam's arm strength is surprisingly weak.
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Not that I ever fully embraced it to begin with, but I'm officially done with the Can Newton Experience.
I know Bill is improving cap space, and letting young guys play into experience, but if we're going to go 7-9, I'd rather go 7-9 with a QB that will either grow into the role, or we can deal for something else. Cam is useless.
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Last 3 opponents the Steelers have beaten had a combined record of 15-2 going into the game. I like it.
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Not that I ever fully embraced it to begin with, but I'm officially done with the Can Newton Experience.
I know Bill is improving cap space, and letting young guys play into experience, but if we're going to go 7-9, I'd rather go 7-9 with a QB that will either grow into the role, or we can deal for something else. Cam is useless.
I actually feel bad for him. He's said all of the right things, and by all accounts is a decent guy.
But he's spent, no doubt.
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Not that I ever fully embraced it to begin with, but I'm officially done with the Can Newton Experience.
I know Bill is improving cap space, and letting young guys play into experience, but if we're going to go 7-9, I'd rather go 7-9 with a QB that will either grow into the role, or we can deal for something else. Cam is useless.
I actually feel bad for him. He's said all of the right things, and by all accounts is a decent guy.
But he's spent, no doubt.
Maybe so, but I think he's soft. Not in the sense of taking a hit, but mentally. I don't see that extra gear that the best players have.
On an unrelated note, I'm as big a fan of a good defensive struggle as anyone, but this Dallas/Philly game is dry, drier, driest. Watching DiNucci is amusing, but that is not sustainable.
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Maybe so, but I think he's soft.
I get that.
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Not that I ever fully embraced it to begin with, but I'm officially done with the Can Newton Experience.
I know Bill is improving cap space, and letting young guys play into experience, but if we're going to go 7-9, I'd rather go 7-9 with a QB that will either grow into the role, or we can deal for something else. Cam is useless.
I actually feel bad for him. He's said all of the right things, and by all accounts is a decent guy.
But he's spent, no doubt.
Maybe so, but I think he's soft. Not in the sense of taking a hit, but mentally. I don't see that extra gear that the best players have.
On an unrelated note, I'm as big a fan of a good defensive struggle as anyone, but this Dallas/Philly game is dry, drier, driest. Watching DiNucci is amusing, but that is not sustainable.
Not to mention Wentz continues to be horrible. Can’t wait to see what Pittsburgh does to these Dallas goofs next week.
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Not that I ever fully embraced it to begin with, but I'm officially done with the Can Newton Experience.
I know Bill is improving cap space, and letting young guys play into experience, but if we're going to go 7-9, I'd rather go 7-9 with a QB that will either grow into the role, or we can deal for something else. Cam is useless.
I actually feel bad for him. He's said all of the right things, and by all accounts is a decent guy.
But he's spent, no doubt.
Maybe so, but I think he's soft. Not in the sense of taking a hit, but mentally. I don't see that extra gear that the best players have.
On an unrelated note, I'm as big a fan of a good defensive struggle as anyone, but this Dallas/Philly game is dry, drier, driest. Watching DiNucci is amusing, but that is not sustainable.
Not to mention Wentz continues to be horrible. Can’t wait to see what Pittsburgh does to these Dallas goofs next week.
Pitt will win 100 to 1. Dallas will get a safety but D-Law will get such an egregious hit on Big Ben that he will not only get ejected but it will be so bad that the refs take a point away.
Hey - with these Cowboys - it could happen. :tdwn
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LOL Dallas at Philly on SNF. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol The NFL has become a complete joke.
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LOL Dallas at Philly on SNF. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol The NFL has become a complete joke.
You want to know what's crazy? The Nuche threw for more yards than Carson f--king Wentz! The Cowboys won time of possession and turnovers. How fucking crazy is that! >:(
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My goodness. I'm watching Suzi Kolber and her crew on the pregame. Can we stop with the intials? Literally at one point she said "So TB signed off on AB, but it was interesting what BA said...". It's like reading a Rush thread here at DTF. I need a scorecard.
By the way, great bit with Bill Belichick throwing Cam under the bus!!! He said "we paid him a million dollars this year, what do you expect? We sold out for the last five years, got three Super Bowls, played in another, and an AFC Championship Game. What do you expect? It not an excuse, it's just a fact." (Quotes, but this is a paraphrase.). Randy Moss was especially hard on Cam. He goes to Steve Young: "you're running left, sideline is to your left, where's the football?" Young says "on your left side". Moss was clear, it's been three weeks of excuses from Cam, that's not going to last much longer with Bill or the organization in general.
Ironically, the COVID may help them; they're cutting salary, but with the pandemic, the salary cap will be lower next year, and while other clubs are cutting/trading players, they are going to be in a good position to mop up. They still need a QB though.
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I haven't heard much chatter about it, which is probably good news, but I think the MNF crew has been pretty good. I've always liked Steve Levy. He sounds excited without feeling fake or cheesy. He's doing a great job here.
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Five minutes left in the first half and the Big Bad Bucs have put up 3 points on the 1-6 Giants. Should be 14-3 put Daniel Jones missed a wide open receiver in the end zone and then got sacked out of field goal range. Horrendous series for Jones.
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LOL Giants came to play.
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Seems the Giants have been one the come the last few weeks.
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LOL Giants came to play.
Brady has looked a bit off, missed many throws so far. Giants have been improving week to week and their defense has been solid. I expect them to blow it in the second half as Brady gains some composure putting pressure on the Giants offense to score and I think they will come a bit short. That has pretty much been their story most of the season, let's see what happens. I'm just happy there's a reason to keep watching.
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Just realized with Kev gone, the title to this thread won't ever change.
If you are a Seahawks fan, you gotta like the way things are shaping up for them in the NFC. A couple tough games coming up, but then some against the NFC East. The road to the SB might go through Seattle in the NFC. And if you don't know the name DK Metcalf yet, now's the time to learn it.
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Just realized with Kev gone, the title to this thread won't ever change.
If you are a Seahawks fan, you gotta like the way things are shaping up for them in the NFC. A couple tough games coming up, but then some against the NFC East. The road to the SB might go through Seattle in the NFC. And if you don't know the name DK Metcalf yet, now's the time to learn it.
:metal :metal :metal :metal
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LOL Giants came to play.
Brady has looked a bit off, missed many throws so far. Giants have been improving week to week and their defense has been solid. I expect them to blow it in the second half as Brady gains some composure putting pressure on the Giants offense to score and I think they will come a bit short. That has pretty much been their story most of the season, let's see what happens. I'm just happy there's a reason to keep watching.
Damn, I hate being this spot on with my team. Daniel Jones just doesn't have "it"
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I haven't heard much chatter about it, which is probably good news, but I think the MNF crew has been pretty good. I've always liked Steve Levy. He sounds excited without feeling fake or cheesy. He's doing a great job here.
No, the crew is good; I like Greise and Riddick, too. Good insight.
I actually like that group; always a fan of Suzi Kolber, I'm a big fan of Steve Young, and Randy Moss has been way better than I ever expected him to be (I thought he NAILED the Cam Newton thing above; at least he didn't refer to him as "CN"). I just thought it was a little fan-boyish to go through an entire 20-minute segment mouthing a bunch of initials. Sounded stupid to me (though I expect to be called "S" from now on).
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LOL Giants came to play.
Brady has looked a bit off, missed many throws so far. Giants have been improving week to week and their defense has been solid. I expect them to blow it in the second half as Brady gains some composure putting pressure on the Giants offense to score and I think they will come a bit short. That has pretty much been their story most of the season, let's see what happens. I'm just happy there's a reason to keep watching.
Damn, I hate being this spot on with my team. Daniel Jones just doesn't have "it"
I loved Judge's take on that: 'Obviously I thought the first call was the right call, but we have to work harder to put ourselves in the position where we're not relying on third parties'. Or something to that effect. I don't know; Giants are moving in the right direction, Philly is static, and Dallas is cratering. I wouldn't rule out the Giants playing meaningful games into December.
I think you're right, though, Cram; Jones is still making too many bad mistakes when he can't afford to.
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One has to wonder that with these times of the covids, how is it affecting Cam and Zeke's performance? I know you can see that Zeke seems to be struggling to breathe earlier in the season.
Just a thought......
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I think in Cam's case he's been away for so long and needs practice to gel. (THAT'S RIGHT ALLEN IVERSON :lol) Not having a regular season where they had to to practice and gel with a new team had hurt him.
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I'm rooting for the Rams to go all the way and win Super Bowl. That way, the city of LA will have a sports trifecta. Might as well in this time of the covids. :hat
I'm with that!!! They played a good game, but the Phins D ate them up.
Chargers. :facepalm: :lol
Raiders beat the Browns!!! :o
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Chargers still getting close but can't beat the 4th quarter jinx! Go Raiders!!! :metal :metal :metal
Seahawks hoped to cook some buffalo wings but get fried themselves. ::) At least the 49ers and Cards lost too.
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Bruce Areans looks like a damn suicide bomber.
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Bruce Areans looks like a damn suicide bomber.
Say what? Suicide bombers don't wear face shields. :lol
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Bruce Areans looks like a damn suicide bomber.
Say what? Suicide bombers don't wear face shields. :lol
Nah, he looks like he'd got a bomb strapped to him.
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He looks like he's ready to disarm a bomb.
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He looks like he's ready to disarm a bomb.
Yeah a steak bomb. Lol
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:lol
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Brady is ASS. Lol
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Wow, the Saints really came out swinging!
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Brady is ASS. Lol
He fucking couldn't pass the salt at the dinner table.
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The NFL is crazy. Any given Sunday indeed. Steelers almost blew a trap game because their special teams were horrid.
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That's going to be the second worst game of Brady's career. First was week 1 of 2003. His passer rating was slightly better tonight, very slightly, but they lost by more points. What may be a difference maker is how ugly a couple of tonight's picks were. Christ, he was just threw a couple of those up for grabs. I don't recall how he looked against Buffalo in 2003.
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Man, every time I get so fed up with bad reffing and other bullshit and wanna give up the NFL permanently the damn Saints keep having really good seasons and roping me back in. Here are some stats that no one other than a Saints fan will give a shit about:
Worst loss of Tom Brady's career. Former worst was the game Barto was talkin about which was 31-0.
The Saints also gave him his seventh-worst loss which was a 38-17 beatdown on MNF the year the Saints won the SB.
Of Brady's 7 INTs thrown this season, 5 have been at the hands of the Saints.
Saints had 40:04 time of possession tonight.
Bucs were 0-3 on 4th down including a goal line stand originating at 1st and goal from the 1.
Only a gentlemen's agreement kneeldown on the final play of the game prevented the Bucs from tying the NFL record for fewest rushing attempts in a game (4).
Those 5 rushes produced 8 total yards.
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I was glued to the Panthers game last night. I was really hoping for a miracle with that last ditch field goal.
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Man, every time I get so fed up with bad reffing and other bullshit and wanna give up the NFL permanently the damn Saints keep having really good seasons and roping me back in. Here are some stats that no one other than a Saints fan will give a shit about:
Worst loss of Tom Brady's career. Former worst was the game Barto was talkin about which was 31-0.
The Saints also gave him his seventh-worst loss which was a 38-17 beatdown on MNF the year the Saints won the SB.
Of Brady's 7 INTs thrown this season, 5 have been at the hands of the Saints.
Saints had 40:04 time of possession tonight.
Bucs were 0-3 on 4th down including a goal line stand originating at 1st and goal from the 1.
Only a gentlemen's agreement kneeldown on the final play of the game prevented the Bucs from tying the NFL record for fewest rushing attempts in a game (4).
Those 5 rushes produced 8 total yards.
Minor point, but I understand they STILL have the record. I thought the record was 6, shared by 4 teams, and so even with the kneeldown (which counts as a rush) they own it. I could very well be wrong, I was listening to Queen and Paul Rodgers in the Ukraine at the time.
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The NFL is crazy. Any given Sunday indeed. Steelers almost blew a trap game because their special teams were horrid.
Hands down, that was the best game the Cowboys played all year. Crazy indeed.......
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What was the decision-making process at QB for Dallas?
It looks to me like DiNucci got demoted back to third string, since Gilbert was the starter and he split snaps with Cooper Rush in practice.
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If only the Giants could play Washington every week...
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That's going to be the second worst game of Brady's career. First was week 1 of 2003. His passer rating was slightly better tonight, very slightly, but they lost by more points. What may be a difference maker is how ugly a couple of tonight's picks were. Christ, he was just threw a couple of those up for grabs. I don't recall how he looked against Buffalo in 2003.
I saw 21-0 and then the interception. N.O. D line was incredible the 1st quarter. So much pressure on Brady. They dominated.
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I was listening to Queen and Paul Rodgers in the Ukraine at the time.
The Ukraine? Is that anything like The France or The Brazil?
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I was listening to Queen and Paul Rodgers in the Ukraine at the time.
The Ukraine? Is that anything like The France or The Brazil?
Haha, yes. My grandfather's side of the fam is from there and that's what it was always called. :)
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I was glued to the Panthers game last night. I was really hoping for a miracle with that last ditch field goal.
Me too.
The Panthers have pretty much been in every game this season. They just find some way not to win. In yesterday's game, they didn't seem to manage time very well at all on that last drive.
The drive where Curtis Samuel made an incredible catch, Bridgewater picked up that insane launching first down on 4th & 14, and McCaffrey made that OTHER incredible catch was one of the best sustained drives I've seen from anyone in a long time.
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I was listening to Queen and Paul Rodgers in the Ukraine at the time.
The Ukraine? Is that anything like The France or The Brazil?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/YxtbaXpDmdLCaNrMi_WQEFe9ne3rNj9e7a3SduzoVLpgw3AMVkfQ72Z0HdZy4-C9dhGizlJCBZHTeEzyo40XRUJW2K_Z1hTjXKdCAHWRcFPUZfLVqaoqxX1oJ7fdCfbrKm4UrCA)
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Oof.
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I was listening to Queen and Paul Rodgers in the Ukraine at the time.
The Ukraine? Is that anything like The France or The Brazil?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/YxtbaXpDmdLCaNrMi_WQEFe9ne3rNj9e7a3SduzoVLpgw3AMVkfQ72Z0HdZy4-C9dhGizlJCBZHTeEzyo40XRUJW2K_Z1hTjXKdCAHWRcFPUZfLVqaoqxX1oJ7fdCfbrKm4UrCA)
God I love that scene. Just wish that gif went on for like 10 more seconds.
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I know! Without it the scene loses the whole punchline. I opted for a .gif over a video link though for simplicity's sake.
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No sweat. I usually don't click blind links anyway so the gif worked better in this situation.
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The Jets hate the Patriots so much they'll throw their shot at Trevor Lawrence in the garbage can for a benign regular season win against them.
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My Dolphins are becoming relevant again, and it is an organic and sustainable growth. I have hope for the future. D looking good, Tua showing promise, and the coaching/culture is strong.
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The Jets hate the Patriots so much they'll throw their shot at Trevor Lawrence in the garbage can for a benign regular season win against them.
Nah. They play three great quarters of football but shit the bed in the fourth up by ten against their biggest rival and lose to their former playoff hero kicker. It’s not that the Jets lose. A lot of teams do that. It’s the way they lose that feels like a dagger to the heart. I’m a loyalist who has endured a lot of heartbreak through the years but this season is really testing me. And Trevor Lawrence won’t do much on this team if there isn’t any talent around him. It will just turn into another potential franchise player wasted by the team’s inability to build around him.
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Trevor Lawrence might stay at Clemson if the Jets were first pick anyway, tanking for a draft pic is a terrible idea when you are only half way through the season. However, the Jets are just that bad it seems.
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Two observations: The Patriots still aren't good, and no one - least of all Cam - should be breathing a sigh of relief over this win. Their strongest unit - their secondary - shit the bed against a below average offense for most of the game. (Though Cam did throw the ball well yesterday, I'll give him that. A number of good, 18-22 yard receptions that really moved the ball. And the D shut the Jets down in the 4th quarter; they ran four plays total - FOUR - in the entire 4th quarter, when even FIVE would have at least put them in overtime.)
Two, the Jets aren't getting Trevor Lawrence, unless something happens (like his stock drops appreciably more than it has). They're not going to win more than two games this year - I think Flacco will pull them over the hump at least that many times, once someone starts looking past them, which the Pats could not afford to do - but they're not getting Lawrence, and it's foolish to be thinking that way at this point.
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If they end up expanding the playoffs this year, my team is going to end up getting hosed TWICE - first by having their bye week forced into week 4 because of the Titans’ outbreak and having to play 13 weeks in a row, but also losing their first round bye (assuming they stay ahead of KC). >:(
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Two observations: The Patriots still aren't good, and no one - least of all Cam - should be breathing a sigh of relief over this win. Their strongest unit - their secondary - shit the bed against a below average offense for most of the game. (Though Cam did throw the ball well yesterday, I'll give him that. A number of good, 18-22 yard receptions that really moved the ball. And the D shut the Jets down in the 4th quarter; they ran four plays total - FOUR - in the entire 4th quarter, when even FIVE would have at least put them in overtime.)
Two, the Jets aren't getting Trevor Lawrence, unless something happens (like his stock drops appreciably more than it has). They're not going to win more than two games this year - I think Flacco will pull them over the hump at least that many times, once someone starts looking past them, which the Pats could not afford to do - but they're not getting Lawrence, and it's foolish to be thinking that way at this point.
We've actually learned a lot of useful things. We've learned that Stidham is not the guy. We've confirmed what we've already suspected, which is that Harry is another WR bust. We've learned that Damien Harris and Damir Byrd are both solid, and Jakobi Myers is a reliable backup. The O-line, when healthy, is still very good. While the season is a wash, there is some hope going forward.
One thing I'd hoped for before the season was that whoever the QB was would go out and play a little looser with the young receivers, and that's what we're seeing. Brady simply would not throw to people he didn't trust. That's something I wanted to see change, and the result is working in some of the scrappier young guys into the mix, and that's been a good thing. It sucks to treat an entire season as an evaluation period, but this season is a clusterfuck anyway. The cap is clearing out. Good players should be back next year. Young players are evaluated in real games.
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I agree Bart.
But they still have issues at QB going forward.
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I agree with you too, Bart.
What do you guys see at QB moving forward? Draft pick? Another free agent pickup? Stick with Cam? I feel like Bill likes the IDEA of Cam more than the reality of Cam, but what does that mean for decision-making?
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I agree with you too, Bart.
What do you guys see at QB moving forward? Draft pick? Another free agent pickup? Stick with Cam? I feel like Bill likes the IDEA of Cam more than the reality of Cam, but what does that mean for decision-making?
The Cam Newton experiment was really hurt by the lack of preseason and proper training camp. You can see that Cam is starting to get more comfortable in the Patriots offense, so imagine if he would have had a full preseason to get acclimated. New England is the best place for him, and I think that if they stick with him next season, they’ll look a lot better with him having a full year in McDaniels’ offense.
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Cam is the bridge to get the next QB which is a tough task to get right.
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I agree with you too, Bart.
What do you guys see at QB moving forward? Draft pick? Another free agent pickup? Stick with Cam? I feel like Bill likes the IDEA of Cam more than the reality of Cam, but what does that mean for decision-making?
Trade Stephon Gilmour, this year's number one, and next year's number one to the Jets and grab Lawrence. From the Jets' point of view, they're better off using the picks to build around Darnold than starting over again. Not to mention, if he's half as smart as the scouts say he is, he'll tell the Jets to fuck right off. For the Patriots, Bills going to trade out of the first round anyway. Plus, he's generally better at finding talent in the lower rounds than the higher ones. Hell, his UFAs work out better than his high value picks half the time. Everything I've heard is that TL is the best prospect since Peyton Manning. That's worth worth more than the likely return on using those picks.
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No chance the Jets trade the #1 pick to the Pats.
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No chance the Jets trade the #1 pick to the Pats.
You'd certainly think that. Yet, I can't shake this sneaking suspicion that they might not be very good at this sort of thing.
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No chance the Jets trade the #1 pick to the Pats.
You'd certainly think that. Yet, I can't shake this sneaking suspicion that they might not be very good at this sort of thing.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/OffensiveWanAustraliancattledog-max-1mb.gif)
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Jets trading the #1 pick to the Pats would be one of the biggest sports blunders in a long time. I could see them trading to get more picks and keep Darnold... but not to their division rival. That would haunt them for a century or more.
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Jets trading the #1 pick to the Pats would be one of the biggest sports blunders in a long time. I could see them trading to get more picks and keep Darnold... but not to their division rival. That would haunt them for a century or more.
The Jets shouldn’t trade the first pick under any circumstances. If Trevor Lawrence declares for 2021, they get a once in a generation talent. If he stays in school for another year, they can use the first pick to take a building block for Darnold. Either way, trading the first pick is stupid.
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Jets trading the #1 pick to the Pats would be one of the biggest sports blunders in a long time. I could see them trading to get more picks and keep Darnold... but not to their division rival. That would haunt them for a century or more.
The Jets shouldn’t trade the first pick under any circumstances. If Trevor Lawrence declares for 2021, they get a once in a generation talent. If he stays in school for another year, they can use the first pick to take a building block for Darnold. Either way, trading the first pick is stupid.
I just reread that and I meant decade not century but knowing the Jets, a mistake like that maybe could last a century :lol but I don't know if trading the 1st pick is stupid. If Lawrence is available and not going to fight about going to the Jets, then they should use it, but if they could get more 1st round picks by trading, it might make a lot of sense. I don't follow the Jets closely to know what they need, but given their record, it seems like they could use two good players over one. The draft is a crapshoot anyway, know one knows if even Lawrence will play out to be a generation talent in the NFL.
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Belichick has friends in the league. If he gets the Jets number one - IF - it likely won't be directly from the Jets anyway.
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He'd trade down anyway.
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Belichick has friends in the league. If he gets the Jets number one - IF - it likely won't be directly from the Jets anyway.
I know the Jets aren't good enough to defend against that. "What do you mean they traded it to New England! Can they do that?" :lol
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The Jets shouldn’t trade the first pick under any circumstances. If Trevor Lawrence declares for 2021, they get a once in a generation talent. If he stays in school for another year, they can use the first pick to take a building block for Darnold. Either way, trading the first pick is stupid.
Agreed. Given how highly touted Lawrence is, you don't trade the number 1 pick if you get it.
And I think it's clear that the Jets organization (not the players or coaches; I believe front offices tank, but players and coaches do not) is in full tank mode to get the number 1 pick, otherwise Adam Gase would have been fired weeks ago. By holding on to Gase, getting the worst record and securing the number 1 pick is likely, as opposed to firing him and then seeing an interim head coach getting the team to gut out two or three wins and losing the top pick.
All that said, I would have no problem with it if Lawrence came out and said he will not play for the Jets. If you are the number 1 guaranteed pick, you have power. Might as well use it.
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Welcome back Kev!
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The Jets shouldn’t trade the first pick under any circumstances. If Trevor Lawrence declares for 2021, they get a once in a generation talent. If he stays in school for another year, they can use the first pick to take a building block for Darnold. Either way, trading the first pick is stupid.
Agreed. Given how highly touted Lawrence is, you don't trade the number 1 pick if you get it.
And I think it's clear that the Jets organization (not the players or coaches; I believe front offices tank, but players and coaches do not) is in full tank mode to get the number 1 pick, otherwise Adam Gase would have been fired weeks ago. By holding on to Gase, getting the worst record and securing the number 1 pick is likely, as opposed to firing him and then seeing an interim head coach getting the team to gut out two or three wins and losing the top pick.
All that said, I would have no problem with it if Lawrence came out and said he will not play for the Jets. If you are the number 1 guaranteed pick, you have power. Might as well use it.
If you're a Jet fan, one would hope that it would be a wakeup call. They had no consequences for their actions over the past couple years, because they were getting players that had high opinions of themselves and their abilities (Reavis, Bell). I think Elway was a wakeup call of sorts for the Colts. I'm not sure if San Diego learned anything from the Manning/Rivers/Brees thing. But maybe this will be the kickstart the Jets need to break out of their rut.
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If you're a Jet fan, one would hope that it would be a wakeup call. They had no consequences for their actions over the past couple years, because they were getting players that had high opinions of themselves and their abilities (Reavis, Bell). I think Elway was a wakeup call of sorts for the Colts. I'm not sure if San Diego learned anything from the Manning/Rivers/Brees thing. But maybe this will be the kickstart the Jets need to break out of their rut.
I saw this elsewhere a while back and it cracked me up: for as hapless as the Jets are considered to be now, they have still been to three AFC title games since the last time the Dallas Cowboys made it to one.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Saw the title changed.....indeed, welcome back, Kev!
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Thanks, sports fans! :tup :tup
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Just realized with Kev gone, the title to this thread won't ever change.
* realizes the thread title changed... :)
And the correct phrasing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sJRkj9DP9Y) is "Let Russ Cook." Good lord am I tired of hearing that up here.
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Just realized with Kev gone, the title to this thread won't ever change.
* realizes the thread title changed... :)
And the correct phrasing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sJRkj9DP9Y) is "Let Russ Cook." Good lord am I tired of hearing that up here.
They’re gonna take the spatula away if he keeps having 4-turnover games . . .
Agreed on welcome back Kev. Love your input on the NFL.
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That was hopefully an outlier. But the way this defense is playing, he's gonna have to play near flawless games if they are going to win (excepting of course that stretch against the NFC East).
And hopefully with Kev's return we'll get some power rankings soon!
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The Jets shouldn’t trade the first pick under any circumstances. If Trevor Lawrence declares for 2021, they get a once in a generation talent. If he stays in school for another year, they can use the first pick to take a building block for Darnold. Either way, trading the first pick is stupid.
Agreed. Given how highly touted Lawrence is, you don't trade the number 1 pick if you get it.
And I think it's clear that the Jets organization (not the players or coaches; I believe front offices tank, but players and coaches do not) is in full tank mode to get the number 1 pick, otherwise Adam Gase would have been fired weeks ago. By holding on to Gase, getting the worst record and securing the number 1 pick is likely, as opposed to firing him and then seeing an interim head coach getting the team to gut out two or three wins and losing the top pick.
All that said, I would have no problem with it if Lawrence came out and said he will not play for the Jets. If you are the number 1 guaranteed pick, you have power. Might as well use it.
I've thought of this, but the Jets might be more attractive than some people are giving them credit for. They've got a ton of picks, including probably the no. 1 overall, and are going into a great cap situation. If Mehki can stay healthy that is a huge boon to any QB as when he's on the field he's one of the best at the position. And I think Joe Douglas is a legit football mind, also. Once they have a good coach in place I'm not sure what No. 1 overall pick will have ever walked into a better situation.
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I've thought of this, but the Jets might be more attractive than some people are giving them credit for. They've got a ton of picks, including probably the no. 1 overall, and are going into a great cap situation. If Mehki can stay healthy that is a huge boon to any QB as when he's on the field he's one of the best at the position. And I think Joe Douglas is a legit football mind, also. Once they have a good coach in place I'm not sure what No. 1 overall pick will have ever walked into a better situation.
Belichick? There are rumblings that he's not long for the Pats...
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And hopefully with Kev's return we'll get some power rankings soon!
I will get with the committee and see if they are willing to meet virtually once a week in order to drum some up for the remainder of the season.
Agreed on welcome back Kev. Love your input on the NFL.
Thanks. :coolio
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And how great a job is Brian Flores doing in Miami? He has them on a roll. I wasn't sure making the switch to Tua at the time they did was the right move at the time, but they have not missed a beat.
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And how great a job is Brian Flores doing in Miami? He has them on a roll. I wasn't sure making the switch to Tua at the time they did was the right move at the time, but they have not missed a beat.
Dolphins defense is legit too
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Russell Wilson had the narrative and the media on his side to win the MVP award, but it feels like he has pissed it away the last few weeks. Just too many turnovers.
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Russell Wilson had the narrative and the media on his side to win the MVP award, but it feels like he has pissed it away the last few weeks. Just too many turnovers.
Yeah it’s gonna be Mahomes again. Guy hasn’t even turned it on yet.
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Steelers 9-0 with the 29th ranked rush offense. Can’t keep putting that much pressure on a 38 year old QB. Not sustainable.
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Russell Wilson had the narrative and the media on his side to win the MVP award, but it feels like he has pissed it away the last few weeks. Just too many turnovers.
Yes these last couple performances have been a total bed crapping. Would have thought holding the Rams to 23 would have been sufficient.
Damn, the end of that Cards/Bills game too.
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Wow that Hail Mary
I'm glad to see my Giants continue to improve. They suddenly have a run game (not just Jones scrambling) and it's really started to help Jones passing game, oh and he stopped turning the ball over at insanely high levels. While beating the Redskins and Eagles isn't anything to get super excited about, I hope they continue to build confidence and given the terrible division, they can have a weird shot to make the playoffs and keep me interested for the final 6 games.
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Belichick showing his genius again. NE is outmanned and has no business winning this game.
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Who saw that coming?
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Who saw that coming?
I thought there was a very good chance they pulled it off. Not so good that I'd bet on them, though. :lol Baltimore isn't the same team they were last year, and NE still has some solid assets. Had I known what the weather was going to be I probably would have picked them.
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More like Russ Gets Cooked. ::)
Rams defense is legit! NFCW is tight!
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Prediction: Steve Belichick is going to sign the largest coaching contract in the history of the NFL at some point.
Not saying he's worth it, or he deserves is, just that there's going to be some desperate, half aware owner that wants the "pop" of a high profile signing, and with the way the NE defense has played this year (with missing people, injured people) he's going to be the next "It Boy" that someone throws a pile of money - and their organization - at.
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NE beating the Ravens did not surprise me. The Patriots only bad stretch this year was when Cam was either not playing due to COVID or the team looked awful cause they couldn't practice. Okay, it was ugly having to eke out a win over the Jets last week, but Belichick has done a great job with this team, all things considered.
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Yes, 2 plays away from being 6-3. Brady was 4-5 in his last 9 games and Cam is 4-4 in his first 8 so no drop off really. It’s all about the D and running game.
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Nick Foles, man. Nick Friggin' Foles. With that defense, the Bears should be a better team, but they just could NOT capitalize. Foles missed three opportunities (at least) to put real points on the board (one was Graham, at the goal line and Foles threw it wide, one was Miller down the middle and Foles threw it long, one was I forget the guys name down the left sideline). I know he's a streaky player, but man, you can't miss open throws like that.
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I tell ya, the inconsistency of some of these teams is fuckin' up my pick em league. :loser:
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Nick Foles, man. Nick Friggin' Foles. With that defense, the Bears should be a better team, but they just could NOT capitalize. Foles missed three opportunities (at least) to put real points on the board (one was Graham, at the goal line and Foles threw it wide, one was Miller down the middle and Foles threw it long, one was I forget the guys name down the left sideline). I know he's a streaky player, but man, you can't miss open throws like that.
That was some of the worst QB play I’ve seen. Completely incapable of moving the ball.
Oh and Brady selling his soul to the devil continues to reap huge dividends, vis-a-vis the nasty Brees injury. You know, the guy that’s 5-2 against him and his main obstacle to the Super Bowl.
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He sold his soul for 2 decades taking less than many QB's to get the rings. Honestly, how many teams were in on him? It sounded like only 3 which has shocking honestly.
Buccaneers
Chargers
Bears
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Nick Foles, man. Nick Friggin' Foles. With that defense, the Bears should be a better team, but they just could NOT capitalize. Foles missed three opportunities (at least) to put real points on the board (one was Graham, at the goal line and Foles threw it wide, one was Miller down the middle and Foles threw it long, one was I forget the guys name down the left sideline). I know he's a streaky player, but man, you can't miss open throws like that.
That was some of the worst QB play I’ve seen. Completely incapable of moving the ball.
Oh and Brady selling his soul to the devil continues to reap huge dividends, vis-a-vis the nasty Brees injury. You know, the guy that’s 5-2 against him and his main obstacle to the Super Bowl.
Can we just say, though, that he's one tough son of a bitch. I've broken my ribs a couple times (playing keeper in soccer, car accident) but never more than one at a time and they HURT. Every breath, every twist, every slouch... PAIN. So for this guy to have FIVE, and a collapsed lung, and still have taken snaps? GTFO. Not just for that reason, but it's a big part, Drew Brees may be my favorite player in the league right now.
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Nick Foles, man. Nick Friggin' Foles. With that defense, the Bears should be a better team, but they just could NOT capitalize. Foles missed three opportunities (at least) to put real points on the board (one was Graham, at the goal line and Foles threw it wide, one was Miller down the middle and Foles threw it long, one was I forget the guys name down the left sideline). I know he's a streaky player, but man, you can't miss open throws like that.
That was some of the worst QB play I’ve seen. Completely incapable of moving the ball.
Oh and Brady selling his soul to the devil continues to reap huge dividends, vis-a-vis the nasty Brees injury. You know, the guy that’s 5-2 against him and his main obstacle to the Super Bowl.
Can we just say, though, that he's one tough son of a bitch. I've broken my ribs a couple times (playing keeper in soccer, car accident) but never more than one at a time and they HURT. Every breath, every twist, every slouch... PAIN. So for this guy to have FIVE, and a collapsed lung, and still have taken snaps? GTFO. Not just for that reason, but it's a big part, Drew Brees may be my favorite player in the league right now.
Drew Brees is my favorite QB of all time, and my favorite player overall besides a couple of Jets greats like Wayne Chrebet, Darrelle Revis, Nick Mangold, and Curtis Martin.
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Steelers first team in NFL history to win 3 consecutive games with less than 50 yards rushing in each game. They have to address that pronto. Pouncey in particular I believe is not getting any push at all on run plays and Conner doesn't seem to be quick enough to get outside. Probably need to mix in the other backs more.
Some great games coming up: TB-LAR, SEA-ARI, and KC-LV rematch.
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Boy that is one tough stretch of games.
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Okay, the committee got together last night on a virtual conference call and managed to drum up some power rankings.
Power Rankings 11-18-20201
1. Kansas City Chiefs - the defending champs, and despite the one loss, still the most well-rounded squad and the team to beat. They have the feel of a team whose greatness is being taken for granted at the moment.
2. Pittsburgh Steelers - they don't really look and feel like a team should be, or will go, unbeaten, but 9-0 is 9-0. Ben Roethlisberger is unique in that he is obviously valuable to his team (why the Steelers never get a good veteran backup is a mystery), yet he is still not one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL.
3. New Orleans Saints - have been great after a rough start, but the injury to Drew Brees could derail their season. Sean Payton will have to coach his butt off to get good work out of the inevitable Winston/Hill platoon at QB.
4. Green Bay Packers - this team still feels more like a pretender than a real contender, given their tendency to shrink when they fall behind in games (see: frontrunners), but they could make a run in the postseason if the matchups fall their way.
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - I can't unsee the drubbing they took at the hands of the Saints 10 days ago, but with the Brees injury putting the Saints upside in question, the sports gods could be smiling upon Tom Brady once again.
6. Baltimore Ravens - the regression of Lamar Jackson as a passer could limit their upside, especially if they fall behind in a playoff game, but their defense and overall running game are still good enough to where they are a tough out if they get a lead.
7.Buffalo Bills - did anyone see Josh Allen being this good coming? Their defense has dropped off big time this year, but there is a lot to like about this team.
8. Miami Dolphins - Brian Flores should have coach of the year all wrapped up already. Many expected the Dolphins to make a leap this year, but few thought they'd be this good. They look legit, as does Tua so far.
9. Los Angeles Rams - I trust their defense the most of the AFC West teams, and Sean McVay is doing a great job again at getting the most of Goff.
10. Arizona Cardinals - miracle win over the Bill aside, this seems like a team that will overachieve in the regular season and then flame out quickly in January, but I won't be surprised if they prove me wrong. The DeAndre Hopkins acquisition was highway robbery.
Rising: Patriots, Raiders, Vikings, Giants and Falcons
Fading: Seahawks, Bears, Titans, Panthers and 49ers
Get this team a new QB and coach category: Broncos, Eagles and Cowboys
LOL category: Jets
MVP Candidates
1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Russell Wilson
4. Kyler Murray
5. Josh Allen
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LOL category: Jets
:rollin
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2. Pittsburgh Steelers - they don't really look and feel like a team should be, or will go, unbeaten, but 9-0 is 9-0. Ben Roethlisberger is unique in that he is obviously valuable to his team (why the Steelers never get a good veteran backup is a mystery), yet he is still not one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL.
MVP Candidates
1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Russell Wilson
4. Kyler Murray
5. Josh Allen
So...is that really an MVP Candidate list or just a Best QB list??
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2. Pittsburgh Steelers - they don't really look and feel like a team should be, or will go, unbeaten, but 9-0 is 9-0. Ben Roethlisberger is unique in that he is obviously valuable to his team (why the Steelers never get a good veteran backup is a mystery), yet he is still not one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL.
MVP Candidates
1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Russell Wilson
4. Kyler Murray
5. Josh Allen
So...is that really an MVP Candidate list or just a Best QB list??
MVP candidates, otherwise Josh Allen wouldn't be on it. It's still too early to call him a top 5 QB overall (same goes for Murray, same went for Lamar last year), but the offense is the reason they are in 1st in the AFC East, and he is the driving force.
Dalvin Cook could earn a top 5 spot soon if he keeps it up and the Vikings keep winning.
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My point was...Ben isn't on the MVP candidate list?
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2. Pittsburgh Steelers - they don't really look and feel like a team should be, or will go, unbeaten, but 9-0 is 9-0. Ben Roethlisberger is unique in that he is obviously valuable to his team (why the Steelers never get a good veteran backup is a mystery), yet he is still not one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL.
MVP Candidates
1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Russell Wilson
4. Kyler Murray
5. Josh Allen
So...is that really an MVP Candidate list or just a Best QB list??
It can't be an MVP list; no Drew Brees. I know he has weapons, but so does Mahomes. And if you don't want to give it to Brees, Kamara is a work horse.
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My point was...Ben isn't on the MVP candidate list?
Nah. He is 20th in QBR, 25th in yards per attempt, 18th in completion percentage, etc. His TD-INT ratio is nice, but he has been good overall, not great. Like I said before, he is obviously valuable to his team (as is any good QB), but he hasn't played as well as the QB's in that top 5 or Brady or Brees or even Carr or Tannehill.
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It can't be an MVP list; no Drew Brees. I know he has weapons, but so does Mahomes. And if you don't want to give it to Brees, Kamara is a work horse.
I do think Kamara is the MVP of that offense. Brees looked crappy early on, but was playing well lately despite losing the ability to chuck it deep.
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It can't be an MVP list; no Drew Brees. I know he has weapons, but so does Mahomes. And if you don't want to give it to Brees, Kamara is a work horse.
I do think Kamara is the MVP of that offense. Brees looked crappy early on, but was playing well lately despite losing the ability to chuck it deep.
I'm trying to find it now, but there was a stat in one of the recent games showing he really hasn't. I'll see if I can find it.
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My point was...Ben isn't on the MVP candidate list?
Nah. He is 20th in QBR, 25th in yards per attempt, 18th in completion percentage, etc. His TD-INT ratio is nice, but he has been good overall, not great. Like I said before, he is obviously valuable to his team (as is any good QB), but he hasn't played as well as the QB's in that top 5 or Brady or Brees or even Carr or Tannehill.
Pittsburgh is not 9-0 with Carr, Allen, Murray. You're a stat nerd. ;D
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Pitt doesn't need a top rated QB because they are really good in all 3 phases.
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Without Wilson Seattle might well be 0-9. Since they're only 6-3 he's probably not in the running, but he's the sole reason they're 6-3.
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I do think Kamara is the MVP of that offense. Brees looked crappy early on, but was playing well lately despite losing the ability to chuck it deep.
I'm trying to find it now, but there was a stat in one of the recent games showing he really hasn't. I'll see if I can find it.
I believe what my eyes tell me. As does the committee. :biggrin:
Pittsburgh is not 9-0 with Carr, Allen, Murray. You're a stat nerd. ;D
The PRC (Power Rankings Committee) takes W/L into account, but knows it doesn't mean everything.
Pitt doesn't need a top rated QB because they are really good in all 3 phases.
Exactly.
Without Wilson Seattle might well be 0-9. Since they're only 6-3 he's probably not in the running, but he's the sole reason they're 6-3.
He was the prohibitive favorite until the last two weeks. He can still snag it if he gets back to lighting it up, stops turning it over, and the Seahawks win their division and get to 11-12 wins. He definitely has the media and narrative on his side.
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Welcome back Kev. :tup
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My only comment is that the team went from 8-8 to 9-0 by adding him, and they have NO running game. Before pushing for his candidacy I’ll wait another 3 games.
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As a Ravens fan, I'll predict they'll be out of the Top Ten after this weekend, with the Titans taking their place. Yanda's retirement without a quality replacement, and injuries on both units do not bode well for the team this year. They hadn't looked all that good when healthy. Could easily be 6-5 come Black Friday.
Ben is Ben, he just generally wins. Right now Tomlin is coach of the year. I can see them at 12-0 going to Buffalo a few weeks down the road.
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The sportswriters in middle Tennessee have already written the Titans off as a playoff team. A lot of football left to play and with COVID and injuries, who knows.
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My point was...Ben isn't on the MVP candidate list?
Nah. He is 20th in QBR, 25th in yards per attempt, 18th in completion percentage, etc. His TD-INT ratio is nice, but he has been good overall, not great. Like I said before, he is obviously valuable to his team (as is any good QB), but he hasn't played as well as the QB's in that top 5 or Brady or Brees or even Carr or Tannehill.
Pittsburgh is not 9-0 with Carr, Allen, Murray. You're a stat nerd. ;D
This is in keeping with the conversation we occasionally have about Super Bowls. End of the day, the objective is to win, and sometimes that means something different than 400 yards, 3TDs, and a rushing TD. Ask one of the tight ends, or one of the cornerbacks, whether they'd rather be on Pittsburgh's team with Ben, or on Atlanta's team with Matt Ryan (who has decent numbers, but dick to show for it).
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More like Russ Gets Cooked. ::)
Rams defense is legit! NFCW is tight!
I think we kinda have Russ's number, being a division opp. Let's see how the Defense fares against TB12 this week. Tampa has a LOT of playmakers, and if the "Good" Tampa Bay and "Good" TB show up, it will be a legit test.
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The sportswriters in middle Tennessee have already written the Titans off as a playoff team. A lot of football left to play and with COVID and injuries, who knows.
It feels like a) the Titans have peaked, and b) their 5-0 start was somewhat of a mirage.
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Kinda like their 10-0 start in 2008.
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Seahawks defense with the win! :metal :metal :metal
Rams playing TB Monday. Gonna be tough.
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I like the Cardinals, I think they're a good team, and Kyler Murray is the real deal. They are not going to go far though; Kliff Kingsbury does not have control of that team. Costly emotional penalties, and this is the second game in a row that Murray was leading the offense, and the sideline called a timeout, to Murray's obvious frustration. Now, I get it; Murray is a kid, and he's known for being quiet and aloof, not a coddler, but it's obvious; you can't rely on the Hail Murray every week (that was the Packers at the end of the McCarthy era, another example of a coach that didn't have control of his team).
They have the talent; they are good on both sides of the ball, but we're at the point of separating the "Very Goods" from the "Truly Greats". Granted, Seattle made some costly (and DUMB) penalties as well, but when they needed it, they were in sync and disciplined. The Cards were not.
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I like the Cardinals, I think they're a good team, and Kyler Murray is the real deal. They are not going to go far though; Kliff Kingsbury does not have control of that team. Costly emotional penalties, and this is the second game in a row that Murray was leading the offense, and the sideline called a timeout, to Murray's obvious frustration. Now, I get it; Murray is a kid, and he's known for being quiet and aloof, not a coddler, but it's obvious; you can't rely on the Hail Murray every week (that was the Packers at the end of the McCarthy era, another example of a coach that didn't have control of his team).
They have the talent; they are good on both sides of the ball, but we're at the point of separating the "Very Goods" from the "Truly Greats". Granted, Seattle made some costly (and DUMB) penalties as well, but when they needed it, they were in sync and disciplined. The Cards were not.
Agreed. Murray is really good, but once they got down inside the 30 late, he was chucking it to the end zone on every play when they still had plenty of time to take the underneath stuff and get closer. Very much a young QB trying to get it all on one throw instead of taking what the defense was giving him.
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Yes Kyler Murray but the Cards are too reliant on his legs. I heard a stat that they are like 1-7 when Murray runs for less than 30 yards so they need to address that. The boy sure is fast though.
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I stand by my opinion that special teams coaches are the dumbest people in pro football.
Wanna get blackout drunk? Playing a drinking game where you have every Sunday game on multiple TV's and you have to take a shot of whiskey every time a kick returner catches the kickoff in the end zone, runs it out, and doesn't get it back to at least the 25-yard line. You'll be seeing nothing but black by 1 pm CST.
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Joe Burrow just got carted off with a knee injury that looked really ugly. You hate to see that. The rookie was looking really good.
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Yeah, that looked brutal.
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I stand by my opinion that special teams coaches are the dumbest people in pro football.
Wanna get blackout drunk? Playing a drinking game where you have every Sunday game on multiple TV's and you have to take a shot of whiskey every time a kick returner catches the kickoff in the end zone, runs it out, and doesn't get it back to at least the 25-yard line. You'll be seeing nothing but black by 1 pm CST.
HAHAHAHA. You're right, though.
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Joe Burrow just got carted off with a knee injury that looked really ugly. You hate to see that. The rookie was looking really good.
Supposedly Burkhead, too. I flipped away, then came back and the announcer said it was 'too brutal to show a replay' and he's out for the game (knee).
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I stand by my opinion that special teams coaches are the dumbest people in pro football.
Wanna get blackout drunk? Playing a drinking game where you have every Sunday game on multiple TV's and you have to take a shot of whiskey every time a kick returner catches the kickoff in the end zone, runs it out, and doesn't get it back to at least the 25-yard line. You'll be seeing nothing but black by 1 pm CST.
I've been saying this for years. "And Schmoe takes the kickoff 2 yards deep...and he's brought down at the 18 yard line for a 20 yard return!" No...he lost seven yards.
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Philly needs to thank Doug Pederson and Carson Wentz* for their first Super Bowl win and then kick both to the curb. Both are a disaster at this point.
*I know Wentz didn't win the actual Super Bowl, but they don't get the 1 seed without him playing at an MVP level all season before getting hurt in December.
Ravens/Titans was fun earlier, and this Colts/Packers game is entertaining as heck as well. Waiting to see if Rodgers can actually pull off a comeback win against a good team.
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Chargers almost blew a 4th quarter lead again, giving the Jets their first win! :facepalm: ALMOST. :lol
With proper coaching and some other key pieces, the Chargers can go far.
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Philly needs to thank Doug Pederson and Carson Wentz* for their first Super Bowl win and then kick both to the curb. Both are a disaster at this point.
*I know Wentz didn't win the actual Super Bowl, but they don't get the 1 seed without him playing at an MVP level all season before getting hurt in December.
Ravens/Titans was fun earlier, and this Colts/Packers game is entertaining as heck as well. Waiting to see if Rodgers can actually pull off a comeback win against a good team.
I needed that GB game badly. No discipline in Green Bay. Bad penalties, bad turnovers... killer.
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Derek Carr's kill signals are hilarious. I forget the one before, which was funny, but he just yelled out "James Harden!"
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Brady’s gotta be lickng his chops at the prospect of facing this Chiefs defense next week.
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Joe Burrow just got carted off with a knee injury that looked really ugly. You hate to see that. The rookie was looking really good.
Yeah - you hate to see that and I heard that it could be a really serious injury which means he may not be ready for next season. I guess we'll know today.
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Brady’s gotta be lickng his chops at the prospect of facing this Chiefs defense next week.
If the Saints hung 38 on their D with basically zero downfield passing game, I doubt any member of the Bucs is licking their chops about facing the Chiefs' offense.
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Joe Burrow just got carted off with a knee injury that looked really ugly. You hate to see that. The rookie was looking really good.
Yeah - you hate to see that and I heard that it could be a really serious injury which means he may not be ready for next season. I guess we'll know today.
Bengals coaching deserves a lot of blame for having him pass 45 times a game behind that dreadful O-Line.
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Philly needs to thank Doug Pederson and Carson Wentz* for their first Super Bowl win and then kick both to the curb. Both are a disaster at this point.
Yeah, maybe eventually, but right now Wentz still gives them by far the best chance to win. Philly fans are understandably disappointed but look around, every team in their division is just as bad and getting as bad or worse play from the QB position. They need to stay the course and not rush to start some project player that doesn't even know the playbook.
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Philly needs to thank Doug Pederson and Carson Wentz* for their first Super Bowl win and then kick both to the curb. Both are a disaster at this point.
Yeah, maybe eventually, but right now Wentz still gives them by far the best chance to win. Philly fans are understandably disappointed but look around, every team in their division is just as bad and getting as bad or worse play from the QB position. They need to stay the course and not rush to start some project player that doesn't even know the playbook.
At some point, Philly is going to have to play Jalen Hurts to see if they need to go get another QB in next years draft. It's becoming clear that Carson is not the answer. He could prove me wrong though but he looks awful!
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Philly needs to thank Doug Pederson and Carson Wentz* for their first Super Bowl win and then kick both to the curb. Both are a disaster at this point.
Yeah, maybe eventually, but right now Wentz still gives them by far the best chance to win. Philly fans are understandably disappointed but look around, every team in their division is just as bad and getting as bad or worse play from the QB position. They need to stay the course and not rush to start some project player that doesn't even know the playbook.
At some point, Philly is going to have to play Jalen Hurts to see if they need to go get another QB in next years draft. It's becoming clear that Carson is not the answer. He could prove me wrong though but he looks awful!
At some point, sure. But they are currently in first place in their division, somehow. The only way Wentz should be benched is if he gets hurt, in my opinion. Which will probably happen soon anyway, given his history and the shape of that offensive line.
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Y'all remember in 2017 when the majority of NFL pundits were anointing Wentz as the bonafide next D00D up?
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Y'all remember in 2017 when the majority of NFL pundits were anointing Wentz as the bonafide next D00D up?
The last 25 years is LITTERED with the empty jocks of the "next D00D up". Part of the reason I'm still of the "cool it" on Mahomes bandwagon. As it is, the other two guys - who I like/liked a lot - are struggling: Lamar Jackson is not invincible, and Deshaun Watson is mortal too.
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To be fair, D. Watson is playing terrific this season, despite his idiot ex-head coach having given his stud WR away for peanuts. O'Brien is gone, but he left Watson with a huge pile of rubble all around him.
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I'm still of the "cool it" on Mahomes bandwagon.
The dude's career stats extrapolated for a 16-game season are 4858 yards, 40 TD, and 8 INT with 66.4% completion percentage. He already has a ring, the second best statistical season ever for a QB, a regular season as well as Super Bowl MVP, basically had a SB appearance stolen from him by a teammate making a dumb penalty, and his team is 9-1 this year. Anyone sleeping on him with that body of work probably wouldn't give him credit if he cured cancer and solved world hunger.
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I'm still of the "cool it" on Mahomes bandwagon.
The dude's career stats extrapolated for a 16-game season are 4858 yards, 40 TD, and 8 INT with 66.4% completion percentage. He already has a ring, the second best statistical season ever for a QB, a regular season as well as Super Bowl MVP, basically had a SB appearance stolen from him by a teammate making a dumb penalty, and his team is 9-1 this year. Anyone sleeping on him with that body of work probably wouldn't give him credit if he cured cancer and solved world hunger.
Well, Stadler is a Brady fan, and many Brady fans (not all, but many) are weird about giving any other QB too much props. They did it with Peyton Manning, they moved over to Aaron Rodgers once Peyton retired, and now Mahomes is the target I guess.
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I'm a Brady fan and I'm not dissing Mahomes.
He's off to a killer start.
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That's why I said "many Brady fans," not all. :biggrin:
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I have no issue with Mahomes either, Strawman.
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That's why I said "many Brady fans," not all. :biggrin:
I wasn't inferring you and your bias against the Pats. (I snickered). I agree with you.
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So the Steelers won their last 2 games by a combined 50 points but somehow “playing down to the competition” is still a narrative? Eff these clueless chowderhead clickbait talking heads. How often in the NFL do you win by 3+ touchdowns 2 weeks in a row? The disrespect is ridiculous.
Stadler, you’re a very intelligent man but you sound like the kind of guy who would have passed on Apple and Microsoft stock back in the day. “Cool it everybody”. ;) Just joshing ya.
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Man, seeing how the Rams have played their last few possessions, it's astonishing to think this is the same team that somehow scored 24 points in the same game.
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Man, seeing how the Rams have played their last few possessions, it's astonishing to think this is the same team that somehow scored 24 points in the same game.
They got screwed badly on the play where Brady was hit in the end zone and fumbled. Refs blew it dead right away.
But dumb ass Goff just threw an awful pick and now it is tied. Hard to take the Rams seriously as a top contender when that clown is their QB.
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Game ends on a horrific pick by Tom Dilfer. :lol :lol
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It was nice to see the refs resisting the chance to bail his old ass out one more time.
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Y'all remember in 2017 when the majority of NFL pundits were anointing Wentz as the bonafide next D00D up?
I mean he was great in 2017. I don't know what the point of this is other than to say that time, injuries, and having a worse team overall generally don't bear well for any athletes.
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Rams did it!!! :metal :metal :metal Defense is really stepping up lately.
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Man, seeing how the Rams have played their last few possessions, it's astonishing to think this is the same team that somehow scored 24 points in the same game.
They got screwed badly on the play where Brady was hit in the end zone and fumbled. Refs blew it dead right away.
But dumb ass Goff just threw an awful pick and now it is tied. Hard to take the Rams seriously as a top contender when that clown is their QB.
Clown??? LMFAO... Both of Jarod's picks were not his fault. #1... Henderson, instead of turning to get the ball he cut to the outside, leaving the spot where Goff delivered it. #2 was PI where the defender was on Robert Woods back driving him to the ground. Oh, and the fumble was on the Blythe. I'll take that "Clown" over half the QB's in the league.
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
Jared Goff 39/51 376 7.4 3 2 0-0 85.4 99.8
And that's with NO running game. The Bucs dared the Rams to beat them with Jarod, and they did. Also.... 39 completions, one shy of the MNF record of 40.
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Y'all remember in 2017 when the majority of NFL pundits were anointing Wentz as the bonafide next D00D up?
I mean he was great in 2017. I don't know what the point of this is other than to say that time, injuries, and having a worse team overall generally don't bear well for any athletes.
The point was that it's dumb to crown someone that quickly. The only reason I'm on the Mahomes train (TOOT TOOT!!!) is because the dude has done nothing more than produce and win every step of the way and probably has accomplished more in his first 41 games than anyone else to ever play the game. Aside from his absurd career averages I cited in my earlier post, he's 33-8 which is the equivalent of winning 12.9 games per season. The title of Next D00D Up is unquestionably his until he proves us wrong imo.
Edit: After rereading your post I now realize when you said "the point" you might have been referring to what the point was for why you said what you did. My reply was clarifying what my point was with the Wentz comment cuz my initial reading of your reply made me think you were asking what the point of my comment was.
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I'm just kind of curious what "next dude up" means. there are plenty of players in this league who are great for two or three years and then fall off that's just how it goes. It's a team sport, and there difference in talent between players can be far more marginal than people give credit for. That's why a player can be great one year, and when they come back from a couple injuries only 90% of their former selves, they become atrocious. I think Carson Wentz can still be a starter in this league and he deserved nearly all the praise he got in 2017, but he has to start playing smarter. The entire rest of the eagles offense is second, third and fourth stringers at this point. Sure, a great quarterback could overcome this and make something happen, But Wentz merely breaking even in this situation is a testament to the fact that he is not as bad as many people are saying right now. if the eagles foolishly bench him and try to move him to another team he will be a serviceable starter somewhere else next year.
As far as Tom Brady goes, I don't remember anybody ever saying that he would be the next Tom Brady. Seems ridiculous to set Tom Brady as the standard for being considered a hype-worthy player.
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I'm still of the "cool it" on Mahomes bandwagon.
The dude's career stats extrapolated for a 16-game season are 4858 yards, 40 TD, and 8 INT with 66.4% completion percentage. He already has a ring, the second best statistical season ever for a QB, a regular season as well as Super Bowl MVP, basically had a SB appearance stolen from him by a teammate making a dumb penalty, and his team is 9-1 this year. Anyone sleeping on him with that body of work probably wouldn't give him credit if he cured cancer and solved world hunger.
Well, Stadler is a Brady fan, and many Brady fans (not all, but many) are weird about giving any other QB too much props. They did it with Peyton Manning, they moved over to Aaron Rodgers once Peyton retired, and now Mahomes is the target I guess.
Not really. It's not Brady; well, it's not JUST Brady. On both sides of the ball I've had 40 years of hearing about the next greatest. I'm from the Tri-state area, and I grew up with Parcell's "annointing" attitude (i.e. mocking it). I've been clear; what he's done is amazing. I just think people are still overboard on him. To listen to the announcers, it's ridiculous. I'm not looking for that level of praise of ANYONE, even Brady. I just like it when guys string together a career. I've also been clear that if he does it, I'm more than willing to give props where props are due. I just have two main criteria for athletes: WIN, and SUSTAINED EXCELLENCE. He's got one now, and we're working on the rest.
(And you're dead wrong on Manning and Rodgers, at least with me. My only knock - unfounded now - on Manning was Super Bowls, and my knock on Rodgers isn't Rodgers, but on his team.)
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I understand the idea of not wanting to anoint the next GOAT so early into their career, as a lot of quarterbacks have lit up the league in their first couple of seasons, only to be figured out by defenses and have turn into an average player. For me though, Mahomes feels different. He adapts to his opponent, not relying solely on his physical gifts but also leaning on a strong game plan and the talent around him to achieve success.
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I understand the idea of not wanting to anoint the next GOAT so early into their career, as a lot of quarterbacks have lit up the league in their first couple of seasons, only to be figured out by defenses and have turn into an average player. For me though, Mahomes feels different. He adapts to his opponent, not relying solely on his physical gifts but also leaning on a strong game plan and the talent around him to achieve success.
And we'll see the first time he CAN'T rely on his "physical gifts". Peyton Manning is one of my favorite QBs in history now, because of that last Super Bowl. I thought he WILLED that win and that to me is far more impressive than a twirling back flip off the wrong foot sideways shovel pass to Kelce for a TD. It's fun to look at, sure, but admire it while you can.
Ben is another one. Does what he has to do. It's what I liked about Teddy Bridgewater when he filled in for Drew Brees. It's what Cam - yes, I'm going to compliment him a little bit - is, I think, trying to do but just can't seem to get out of his own way.
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It was nice to see the refs resisting the chance to bail his old ass out one more time.
I think it’s pretty clear the NFL badly wants a KC-TB Super Bowl. It’s not exactly a secret. How many games in a row is TB on prime time?
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It was nice to see the refs resisting the chance to bail his old ass out one more time.
I think it’s pretty clear the NFL badly wants a KC-TB Super Bowl. It’s not exactly a secret. How many games in a row is TB on prime time?
Seems that way. And if they can't get TB in there then GB is a damn close second and if the dump truck full of bullshit flags we've seen thrown against GB's opponents the last 2 or 3 years (Lions game on MNF, anyone?) is anything to go on, I'd bet my life savings and take out loans for even more betting money that they'll do it to their opponents in the playoffs as well, especially the Saints.
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I think the secret to success is pretty simple, really. And has much less to do with superstar QB's than the following: does the team have a good coach? If a team has a coach and a QB, they'll be competitive more often than not.
Putting two all-timers - Brady and Belichick - on the same team created a force that dominated the league for over a decade. Then think of the other less - but still solid - QB/coach duos that have had prolonged success: Roethlisberger and Tomlin, Wilson and Carroll, and what Haurbaugh has gotten out of Flacco (who was, at least, break-even) and Jackson (who is very good). Payton and Brees. All these teams are competitive, year after year. Sure, they have some down years, sometimes several in a row, but that's just the nature of football. The only times the Lions were ever close to good for more than a few years in a row, Stafford had Caldwell.
Looking forward, KC have a coach and a QB. Unless Mahomes gets severely injured, they'll be competitive for years to come, even if Mahomes doesn't reach the same heights of his first few years (which, I agree with Floyd, are enough to consider him a great player that we'll think about for the basis of those years alone decades from now). The Texans have a QB, but they don't have a coach. With Peterson and Wentz, it's unclear if they have a good coach and a good QB - perhaps both guys are barely good enough to succeed at their best - but unbelievably, Peterson's Eagles have been competitive every year. The Eagles would be foolish to abandon ship on either mid-season.
If you don't believe this theory, that a superstar QB will not have success without a good coach, then I invite you to participate in a simple thought exercise: imagine any starting current starting QB in the league having success playing under Adam Gase for the New York Jets. It is literally impossible to conceptualize.
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For those of us who live in the real world and want to bask in Mahomes' unprecedented greatness, this is an excellent article at The Ringer:
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/11/24/21612080/patrick-mahomes-michael-jordan-tom-brady-goat-debate
Get ready for some crazy stats.
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Imma read the article but I'm not a fan of how they drew him to look slightly hostile instead of how gregarious he usually looks plus the guy writing the article seems to think the Bulls beat the Pistons in the 1990 playoffs.
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Alright, I read about half of it but the writer misrepresents a lot of things so I'm not inclined to read further. Stuff like wording it "5 straight playoff games scoring 31 in regulation" makes it seem like he's disqualifying another team for having scored their 31st point in OT. Or stuff like using Lebron James not winning a title in his first 8 seasons against him in a comparison against Mahomes while Lebron was playing with G League supporting casts and Mahomes is surrounded by pro bowlers. Lastly, trying to use Mahomes being six weeks younger than Montana when each won their first titles as some kind of angle to further his agenda is just ridiculous. Does that actually mean Mahomes did so in an earlier season? Nope. Both did so in their third season. He's literally using where Mahomes' birthday falls on the calendar to argue his superiority over someone else. Mahomes' resume is way too good for any writer to need to resort to exaggeration and twisting of data to make their point and this guy just can't seem to help himself.
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Dumb article. Anyhow, how 'bout dem Saints? With the '9ers all but out of it, this may be the year I root for Brees to win a second.
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I think Aaron Rodgers wins his third MVP
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I'm trying to keep my Saints excitement tempered until the end of the season since there are three other NFC teams who I'm terrified of the refs tampering on behalf of in order to advance the league's agenda: GB, TB, and LAR. The Wizard behind the curtain was exposed when GB got four fraudulent 4th quarter flags against the Lions on MNF last season and each one occurred on possession-changing downs. The L.A. agenda was completely exposed in the 2018 NFC CG. And TB has been getting possession-saving flags a lot this year on third down.
Goodell despises Payton so I expect a fuckover whenever the Saints play a darling franchise. Shit, even last season the wildcard game against MIN (a definite non-darling to NFL brass) ended on a pushoff that they refused to even review. You'd think with the PR nightmare that resulted from the 2018 NFC CG that the NFL would have at least an atom of CYA on their minds making them decide to make sure that if there's a questionable call on a game-deciding play against the team they fucked over more egregiously than any other team in its history that they'd review the play.
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I think it’s pretty clear the NFL badly wants a KC-TB Super Bowl. It’s not exactly a secret. How many games in a row is TB on prime time?
Does KC really have that much pull? Does the entire country want to see them in the SB? Genuinely curious. They have Mahomes, or course, but it is isn't a major market, they don't have any other big names, and their coach, while successful and likable, isn't exactly the most charismatic or interesting guy in the league.
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Man, seeing how the Rams have played their last few possessions, it's astonishing to think this is the same team that somehow scored 24 points in the same game.
They got screwed badly on the play where Brady was hit in the end zone and fumbled. Refs blew it dead right away.
But dumb ass Goff just threw an awful pick and now it is tied. Hard to take the Rams seriously as a top contender when that clown is their QB.
Clown??? LMFAO... Both of Jarod's picks were not his fault. #1... Henderson, instead of turning to get the ball he cut to the outside, leaving the spot where Goff delivered it. #2 was PI where the defender was on Robert Woods back driving him to the ground. Oh, and the fumble was on the Blythe. I'll take that "Clown" over half the QB's in the league.
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
Jared Goff 39/51 376 7.4 3 2 0-0 85.4 99.8
And that's with NO running game. The Bucs dared the Rams to beat them with Jarod, and they did. Also.... 39 completions, one shy of the MNF record of 40.
Clown might have been a bit harsh on my part, but he's still not a QB I trust. I think McVay coaches his butt off to get as much as he can out of the guy. Shoot, on 3rd and 8 last night with under 2 to go, without a makeable FG attempt already guaranteed, McVay ran the ball. I think that showed how much he doesn't trust Goff at times.
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I understand the idea of not wanting to anoint the next GOAT so early into their career, as a lot of quarterbacks have lit up the league in their first couple of seasons, only to be figured out by defenses and have turn into an average player. For me though, Mahomes feels different. He adapts to his opponent, not relying solely on his physical gifts but also leaning on a strong game plan and the talent around him to achieve success.
And we'll see the first time he CAN'T rely on his "physical gifts". Peyton Manning is one of my favorite QBs in history now, because of that last Super Bowl. I thought he WILLED that win and that to me is far more impressive than a twirling back flip off the wrong foot sideways shovel pass to Kelce for a TD. It's fun to look at, sure, but admire it while you can.
Ben is another one. Does what he has to do. It's what I liked about Teddy Bridgewater when he filled in for Drew Brees. It's what Cam - yes, I'm going to compliment him a little bit - is, I think, trying to do but just can't seem to get out of his own way.
I don't think Mahomes relies on his physical gifts as much as you think he does. He could run around like Cam Newton if he wanted to, but he doesn't. He could sling the ball down field 70 yards eight times a game if he wanted to ala Jeff George, but he doesn't. He plays smart.
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Yeah that's a really strange observation to make about Mahomes' cerebral game. I wonder why people will say that about a player like Mahomes or Watson years before they say it about a player like Wentz.
Going back to my theory - the QB's job is to execute the strategy that the coach decides and often calls. The problem is not so much that there aren't enough athletes who can do this (though some are capable of overcompensating for bad strategy), but that coaching is an infinitely harder job, and most NFL head coaches simply don't have what it takes.
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I understand the idea of not wanting to anoint the next GOAT so early into their career, as a lot of quarterbacks have lit up the league in their first couple of seasons, only to be figured out by defenses and have turn into an average player. For me though, Mahomes feels different. He adapts to his opponent, not relying solely on his physical gifts but also leaning on a strong game plan and the talent around him to achieve success.
And we'll see the first time he CAN'T rely on his "physical gifts". Peyton Manning is one of my favorite QBs in history now, because of that last Super Bowl. I thought he WILLED that win and that to me is far more impressive than a twirling back flip off the wrong foot sideways shovel pass to Kelce for a TD. It's fun to look at, sure, but admire it while you can.
Ben is another one. Does what he has to do. It's what I liked about Teddy Bridgewater when he filled in for Drew Brees. It's what Cam - yes, I'm going to compliment him a little bit - is, I think, trying to do but just can't seem to get out of his own way.
Stadler, I think you are selling Mahomes way short. He sees the field much better than you are giving him credit for.
And saying Ben does what he has to do... you're selling him short too.
Stadler, Greg Bedard was on Felger & Mazz today talking about all of the offensive rankings that the Pats were better than the Bucs. Interesting.
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Yeah that's a really strange observation to make about Mahomes' cerebral game. I wonder why people will say that about a player like Mahomes or Watson years before they say it about a player like Wentz.
What I'm about to say is solely in regard to the media and sports fans in general, not anyone in this thread who may have made comments about certain QBs relying on their athletic skills. I think there are still A LOT of people that either sincerely think black QBs lack the mental capacity to be a traditional QB or they don't even bother thinking about it and just choose to believe that they lack those skills. Basically the same bullshit that sent Warren Moon's ass to the CFL to "prove" himself despite the fact that he was probably at least a top 15 NFL QB right out of college, if not top 10.
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Totally agree with the above :tup
It's pretty funny too because I would put Watson and Mahomes among the smartest QBs in the league. Meanwhile shitty QBs of a more caucasian complexion get the title "game manager" when they suck, even though a lot of times, they're the ones who most seem to have absolutely nothing going on upstairs. Wouldn't that be the most important thing for a "game manager"?
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Boy did Houston waste Watson's early career. That ownership needs to get their act together.
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Wow Steelers get screwed again because another team is careless with protocols. Unbelievable.
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It sucks for fans as well since that was the only game worth a damn on the slate tomorrow.
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It sucks for fans as well since that was the only game worth a damn on the slate tomorrow.
This. The other games will both suck terribly, and I don't see how it hurts Pitt. They'll get a few more practices and BAL likely won't. Since when is not playing a Thursday game a bad thing?
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Hopefully some of you guys know of Mike Tanier, who's been the best and funniest football writer for a long time. This week's preview is amazing:
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2020/walkthrough-all-buccaneers-are-brothers
So what I'm hoping for most Sunday (besides a Steeler win) is for Mahomes to go in dry on the Bucs and not stop until the clock reads 0:00, and then refuse to shake Brady's hand after. That would be epic, but it won't happen because Mahomes isn't an asshole.
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Hopefully some of you guys know of Mike Tanier, who's been the best and funniest football writer for a long time. This week's preview is amazing:
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2020/walkthrough-all-buccaneers-are-brothers
So what I'm hoping for most Sunday (besides a Steeler win) is for Mahomes to go in dry on the Bucs and not stop until the clock reads 0:00, and then refuse to shake Brady's hand after. That would be epic, but it won't happen because Mahomes isn't an asshole.
This makes me giggle. Brady is so in your head that you are rooting for a team that is the only team stopping you from having the #1 seed which is so damn important.
You should be rooting for Tampa. Call me crazy....
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Hopefully some of you guys know of Mike Tanier, who's been the best and funniest football writer for a long time. This week's preview is amazing:
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2020/walkthrough-all-buccaneers-are-brothers
So what I'm hoping for most Sunday (besides a Steeler win) is for Mahomes to go in dry on the Bucs and not stop until the clock reads 0:00, and then refuse to shake Brady's hand after. That would be epic, but it won't happen because Mahomes isn't an asshole.
This makes me giggle. Brady is so in your head that you are rooting for a team that is the only team stopping you from having the #1 seed which is so damn important.
You should be rooting for Tampa. Call me crazy....
Exactly. Granted, I get some Steelers fans feeling that way since Tom Brady made their team is personal whipping boy for most of his tenure in New England, but still, if you're a Steelers fan, how are you rooting for the Chiefs this weekend? This is one of the few games left on their schedule that they could realistically lose.
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Call me crazy, but I don't think today's games will be terrible just because the teams have terrible records. The only thing missing from the Texans/Lions game is any stakes. I'll watch any DeShaun Watson game that I can .
As for the late game. The winner leaves with first place of the absolutely wretched NFC East. But Alex Smith is a great story and if it's anywhere near as entertaining as last week's Dallas/Minnesota game, then we're in for a treat, records be damned.
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Call me crazy, but I don't think today's games will be terrible just because the teams have terrible records. The only thing missing from the Texans/Lions game is any stakes. I'll watch any DeShaun Watson game that I can .
As for the late game. The winner leaves with first place of the absolutely wretched NFC East. But Alex Smith is a great story and if it's anywhere near as entertaining as last week's Dallas/Minnesota game, then we're in for a treat, records be damned.
Your not crazy at all! Ya'll know I am a Cowboys fan but we have MUCHO respect for Alex Smith! What he went through to get to this point is unreal! The Boy is inspirational but I will always cringe every time he takes the field.
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To touch a little more on the Steelers/Ravens thing a little more, the Steelers bitching about this need to shut their mouths and grasp a little perspective. We are dealing with a pandemic and people are dying, and they are crying about having to wait a few extra days to play their football game for which they get paid millions of dollars. Cry me a freaking river.
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For those of us who live in the real world and want to bask in Mahomes' unprecedented greatness, this is an excellent article at The Ringer:
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/11/24/21612080/patrick-mahomes-michael-jordan-tom-brady-goat-debate
Get ready for some crazy stats.
Apparently "real world" means something different to you. ;)
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Yeah that's a really strange observation to make about Mahomes' cerebral game. I wonder why people will say that about a player like Mahomes or Watson years before they say it about a player like Wentz.
Going back to my theory - the QB's job is to execute the strategy that the coach decides and often calls. The problem is not so much that there aren't enough athletes who can do this (though some are capable of overcompensating for bad strategy), but that coaching is an infinitely harder job, and most NFL head coaches simply don't have what it takes.
I do think this is truth. Coaching is complex, and the best - long term success - have always combined people skills (such that they are), professional/personnel development, X's and O's (scheming), and real-time game management. There are hundreds of guys who are good at one or two of these, and fewer still who are good at three. There is an elite group that is good at all four, and we all know their names.
I'm a huge fan of the Peter principle; there are just some guys that aren't head coach material simply because they can generate a game plan. Wade Phillips is one of the best coordinators in the history of the league (That Denver Super Bowl season...) but I wouldn't hire him as a head coach. I'm of that mind with Josh McDaniels, as well. Steve Spagnola. Jason Garrett. Great football minds, but not head coach super stars.
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12 minutes left in game 1 and it's already over.
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Man, going for it on 4th down in your own territory in the first half sure as shit is one way of saying "No sir, I don't wanna do everything in my power to make the playoffs even though it'll only involve winning 7 games to do so."
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Man, going for it on 4th down in your own territory in the first half sure as shit is one way of saying "No sir, I don't wanna do everything in my power to make the playoffs even though it'll only involve winning 7 games to do so."
Mike McCarthy had benefited greatly from having Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers as his quarterbacks for most of his career. Without an elite QB to bail the team out of terrible play-calling, he can’t win. Dak was good enough to potentially do it, especially in the putrid NFC East, but even Dalton, who is a good player, just isn’t enough to mask McCarthy’s stupidity.
EDIT: Wow that fake punt call deep in their own territory is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen from any team ever. Mike McCarthy shouldn’t make it out of Dallas without losing his job tonight. Absolutely horrendous.
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EDIT: Wow that fake punt call deep in their own territory is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen from any team ever. Mike McCarthy shouldn’t make it out of Dallas without losing his job tonight. Absolutely horrendous.
Fucking stupid.
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Goddamn I have been really trying to avoid using ESPN.com as my sports source on the web, but typed it in out of habit, and when it was loading, I thought "Shit, I am going to see Stephen A Smith without having to scroll down. Sure enough, the second image on the home page "Stephen A. is giddy about Cowboys' Thanksgiving loss" Who f*cking cares what Stephen A Smith thinks about the Cowboys loss? Or anything, really?
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"Stephen A. is giddy about startling new developments in Rogaine's research dept."
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You couldn't pay me to watch First Take, but Stephen A. trolling Cowboys fans, which I always see on Twitter now, is comedy gold. I have to give him that.
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Lamar Jackson now has Covid. Sounds like that team got the OK to do a walk trough Monday and Tuesday knowing they had a few people test positive for the virus over the weekend. League approved it. Talk about an epic fail. Now 2 games are in jeopardy since the Ravens play next Thursday as well.
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Wow Ravens are being rewarded for a negligent Covid outbreak.
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Fuck that guy on their staff and the league. They should be striving to be like the NBA and not MLB in their approach to dealing with covid.
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Even better, Denver has no active QB's for tomorrow. They are going with either an RB or a WR from the practice squad that used to be a QB. All 3 of their QB's are also not cooperating with the investigation as to how they may have gotten it, apparently.
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Elway should fire the entire coaching staff for this fiasco.
And then fire himself for hiring another bad coach and having no clue how to spot QB talent in the draft.
Elway will always be one of my favorite players, but the expiration date for him turning things around is now in the rearview mirror.
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Just the other day I was marveling that they'd managed to keep the wheels on this thing through 11 weeks. Now you've got one team with no quarterbacks, and another without a stadium to play in. That's a front left-blowout, and real soon we're going to see a team forced to forfeit a game. That'll be the front-right flying off and ripping through a crowd of spectators.
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Teams should be able to recruit robotics experts to build stand-in robots for covid scratches.
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LOL at the Raiders. That’s a perfect example of why the Steelers’ 10-0 record should be more respected. It’s HARD to win every week. Everyone thought the Raiders were world-beaters and they got destroyed by a crappy team. Anybody can beat anybody any week.
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This panthers game was one of the most entertaining games of the season.
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Hopefully some of you guys know of Mike Tanier, who's been the best and funniest football writer for a long time. This week's preview is amazing:
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2020/walkthrough-all-buccaneers-are-brothers
So what I'm hoping for most Sunday (besides a Steeler win) is for Mahomes to go in dry on the Bucs and not stop until the clock reads 0:00, and then refuse to shake Brady's hand after. That would be epic, but it won't happen because Mahomes isn't an asshole.
Looks like my wish is coming true :rollin. Mahomes definitely going in dry.
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LOL at the Raiders. That’s a perfect example of why the Steelers’ 10-0 record should be more respected. It’s HARD to win every week. Everyone thought the Raiders were world-beaters and they got destroyed by a crappy team. Anybody can beat anybody any week.
F'n stupid. :facepalm: No excuse for that AT ALL. Watch them give the Jets their first win next week. ::) :loser:
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LOL at the Raiders. That’s a perfect example of why the Steelers’ 10-0 record should be more respected. It’s HARD to win every week. Everyone thought the Raiders were world-beaters and they got destroyed by a crappy team. Anybody can beat anybody any week.
Not sure who thinks they're world beaters. I think they're pretty average, overachieving on one or two occasions. I thought that was the toughest game to pick this week. Atlanta is crappy, but Atlanta is always a risk to score a bunch of points. I only picked LAS because they're a little more reliable, but we see how quickly that can burn you.
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I don't gamble but I've picked games for amusement purposes ;D and I would never ever touch a Raider game.
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Giants in first place in the NFC East at 4-7 :lol such a joke, but I'll take it. A 3 game win streak and the team has been improving all season. They got lucky today playing against a Burrow less team, but then again they had to resort to Colt McCoy to hold back the come back sooo... I'm just happy this team has improved and not only give hope for the future, but also they are going to be playing meaningful games to end the season. Sadly, of the NFC east teams, they by far have the toughest remaining schedule. I'm entertained.
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I've always loved when teams had to put in emergency quarterbacks (or emergency punters/kickers). Adds a fun dimension. I figured the Denver fiasco might have been amusing to watch, but instead it was just sad. It's like some professional fighter picking some random weakling off the street and emasculating him in front of his mom, his girlfriend, and a thousand kids on Youtube. Honestly, this is a massive failure for the NFL, and really shouldn't have been allowed to happen.
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I've always loved when teams had to put in emergency quarterbacks (or emergency punters/kickers). Adds a fun dimension. I figured the Denver fiasco might have been amusing to watch, but instead it was just sad. It's like some professional fighter picking some random weakling off the street and emasculating him in front of his mom, his girlfriend, and a thousand kids on Youtube. Honestly, this is a massive failure for the NFL, and really shouldn't have been allowed to happen.
To me, the only fail is not having teams zoom in their 3rd QB's for meetings. I agree with your first point. Not sure how it's a massive failure. It is what it is.
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I figure Stadler watching Pat Mahomes is like Trump watching his election lawsuits get laughed out of court. ;D
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I don't know how anyone can still debate the greatness of Mahomes, but the internet provides a lot of space for contrarians. ;)
I won't call him a clown again, but today showed why I don't trust Goff. He shit the bed at home against a depleted 49ers team and they lost a big division game.
I am so detached from this Broncos team that I didn't even care about how today went down and the beating they took. Ugh.
Also, after all of the chatter about it, Belichick not bringing Brady back doesn't seem so wrong now, does it? The Patriots were crippled for nearly a month due to COVID, and the Bucs are loaded almost everywhere, yet the Patriots are only one game worse than them in the loss column now.
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As the one constant contrarian here, for the 8,543,276,238,911th time - and I'm sure I'll have to say it again, probably before the week is over - I don't question Mahomes ABILITIES. It's not his "greatness" I question, it's the anointing as the greatEST.
There was a scramble, out to the left flat, with probably 3:30 left, and he slid down, in bounds, just over the first down line. To listen to Jim Nantz call it, he outran the TB defense, the PATRIOT defense, and Usain Bolt, then cured COVID, recounted all of Missouri's Presidential votes, and scored a 1600 on the SAT, all on the same play. It was a very good, not great, run, to get the first down (and extend the drive) and he was very smart to stay in bounds. All things that go into someone being a top-tier NFL athlete.
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There was a scramble, out to the left flat, with probably 3:30 left, and he slid down, in bounds, just over the first down line. To listen to Jim Nantz call it, he outran the TB defense, the PATRIOT defense, and Usain Bolt, then cured COVID, recounted all of Missouri's Presidential votes, and scored a 1600 on the SAT, all on the same play.
Sounds like Jim Nantz gets it. :lol
Wait, you don't like Jim Nantz either.
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Gotta agree with Stadler. The media has already anointed Mahomes the new Brady. It's pretty obvious with how they hyped this game up. Replete with a dozen different movie cliches about the student surpassing the master. Christ, the kid's got the potential, but let him earn his legacy rather than just slapping it on him.
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Mahomes being the new Brady wouldn't make sense since it took Brady years to be an actual great QB, while Mahomes has been awesome since the day he became the starter. Very different start to their careers.
Also, who in the media is called Mahomes the greatest? Some names, please. ;)
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Also, Brady has coasted on team accomplishments giving him the nod over Brees for years while people never address how huge of an advantage it is having Belichick rather than Payton. Aside from playoff victory related stats, he trails Brees in basically every major stat except for TDs and the only time he ever catches up in that category is when Brees goes out with a major injury. I think he has a 4 TD lead on Brees after today but he trailed Brees before he got injured two games ago. Basically, it's taken him 13 more career games to throw 4 more TDs.
It's also funny that, according to the media, it's Tampa's fault and not his when he's yeeting wounded ducks all over the field. He had two more INTs that looked like they were thrown by an 8th grader tonight to go with the other two ducks he heaved against the Rams. But this is the same media that wouldn't be caught dead calling Brees better than him even when Brees' passer ratings the last three seasons have been 18.0, 28.3, and 15.0 better than Brady's.
The point of all this is that Brady's been a silver-spooned brat the way he's been gifted this GOAT nonsense for years despite having possibly the greatest coach and strong supporting casts for years contributing greatly to the biggest thing they use to try to justify his goathood, SB wins. His other stats are HOF, no doubt, but it's absurd how they just make every excuse in the book for why he's "better" while throwing objectivity to the wayside. For all of the above reasons, I have zero problem with Mahomes being lauded as the next in line because Brady already gets far more praise than he deserves in the first place.
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I don't know how anyone can still debate the greatness of Mahomes, but the internet provides a lot of space for contrarians. ;)
I won't call him a clown again, but today showed why I don't trust Goff. He shit the bed at home against a depleted 49ers team and they lost a big division game.
I am so detached from this Broncos team that I didn't even care about how today went down and the beating they took. Ugh.
Also, after all of the chatter about it, Belichick not bringing Brady back doesn't seem so wrong now, does it? The Patriots were crippled for nearly a month due to COVID, and the Bucs are loaded almost everywhere, yet the Patriots are only one game worse than them in the loss column now.
You ever see someone buy a hammer and use it to weed in their garden? That's how Arians is using Brady.
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Also, Brady has coasted on team accomplishments giving him the nod over Brees for years while people never address how huge of an advantage it is having Belichick rather than Payton. Aside from playoff victory related stats, he trails Brees in basically every major stat except for TDs and the only time he ever catches up in that category is when Brees goes out with a major injury. I think he has a 4 TD lead on Brees after today but he trailed Brees before he got injured two games ago. Basically, it's taken him 13 more career games to throw 4 more TDs.
It's also funny that, according to the media, it's Tampa's fault and not his when he's yeeting wounded ducks all over the field. He had two more INTs that looked like they were thrown by an 8th grader tonight to go with the other two ducks he heaved against the Rams. But this is the same media that wouldn't be caught dead calling Brees better than him even when Brees' passer ratings the last three seasons have been 18.0, 28.3, and 15.0 better than Brady's.
The point of all this is that Brady's been a silver-spooned brat the way he's been gifted this GOAT nonsense for years despite having possibly the greatest coach and strong supporting casts for years contributing greatly to the biggest thing they use to try to justify his goathood, SB wins. His other stats are HOF, no doubt, but it's absurd how they just make every excuse in the book for why he's "better" while throwing objectivity to the wayside. For all of the above reasons, I have zero problem with Mahomes being lauded as the next in line because Brady already gets far more praise than he deserves in the first place.
Nothing personal, and will all due respect, but I do disagree with most of this. Brady IS the greatest of all time. When you factor in EVERYTHING - the stats, the Super Bowls, the longevity, the locker room - he's number one. Part of being the greatest is fitting in to the scheme, the coach, and the personnel around him. I don't think it IS more praise than he deserves. We can never know about the impact of coaching and surrounding personnel (and if we go down that path, Reid is no slouch, and I could probably get a handful of TDs per year throwing to Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce and Edwards-Helaire.) I'm a huge fan of Brees - I'm on record here as saying he's right now my favorite player in the league - and I want the Saints to win it all once before he hangs it up (I think this might be his last season, if they do).
But this sort of hints at my beef with the annointing. Brady has gone through, basically, four generations (in football terms) of personnel, and won all four times. He didn't have Gronk, or Moss, or Edelman for his entire career, and he's never really had a top-tier Hall of Fame running back (not that he needs one). He's had one coach, true, but he's had three Offensive Coordinators (and three years where they didn't have an official "OC", so I assume that's Belichick). But he's won. Let's at least see Mahomes with a depleted receiving corps, and with no running game to speak of. Let's see him weather a spell where he's hurt and has to play through. Let's see him handle some coaching turnover. I'm pretty sure he can do it, but I also thought the Pats were going to crush the Eagles in the SB and that didn't happen. You have to play the games.
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One thing that gets overlooked with Brady is the fact that he's been to the SB 9 times. 9 times! It's hard enough to get to one much less nine. I don't think that record will ever be broken.
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Also, Brady has coasted on team accomplishments giving him the nod over Brees for years while people never address how huge of an advantage it is having Belichick rather than Payton. Aside from playoff victory related stats, he trails Brees in basically every major stat except for TDs and the only time he ever catches up in that category is when Brees goes out with a major injury. I think he has a 4 TD lead on Brees after today but he trailed Brees before he got injured two games ago. Basically, it's taken him 13 more career games to throw 4 more TDs.
It's also funny that, according to the media, it's Tampa's fault and not his when he's yeeting wounded ducks all over the field. He had two more INTs that looked like they were thrown by an 8th grader tonight to go with the other two ducks he heaved against the Rams. But this is the same media that wouldn't be caught dead calling Brees better than him even when Brees' passer ratings the last three seasons have been 18.0, 28.3, and 15.0 better than Brady's.
The point of all this is that Brady's been a silver-spooned brat the way he's been gifted this GOAT nonsense for years despite having possibly the greatest coach and strong supporting casts for years contributing greatly to the biggest thing they use to try to justify his goathood, SB wins. His other stats are HOF, no doubt, but it's absurd how they just make every excuse in the book for why he's "better" while throwing objectivity to the wayside. For all of the above reasons, I have zero problem with Mahomes being lauded as the next in line because Brady already gets far more praise than he deserves in the first place.
This is exactly how I feel, but I could never quite put it this elegantly since any talk of Brady gets me in a special type of bad mood.
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One thing that gets overlooked with Brady is the fact that he's been to the SB 9 times. 9 times! It's hard enough to get to one much less nine. I don't think that record will ever be broken.
But Mahomes has only had 3 seasons!
Mahomes being the new Brady wouldn't make sense since it took Brady years to be an actual great QB, while Mahomes has been awesome since the day he became the starter. Very different start to their careers.
Also, who in the media is called Mahomes the greatest? Some names, please. ;)
I don't know if anybody has, but you can't possibly tell me that you haven't seen his coronation taking place all around you. At this point, according to the talking heads, it's only a matter of a couple of years before he's officially the GOAT. Have you not picked up on the fact that every pundit out there thinks he's already better than Brady?
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LOL, Brady had never been gifted the goat. It's tough enough to win one (Josh you know this to be very true) and to win 6 it is never one person but if you don't have a great QB you'll never have that opportunity.
People always want to sask who's more important, Brady or Belichick. They are both important. You don't win multiple SB's without either and nevermind win 6 while going to 9.
As for Mahomes. My eyes can't believe what I see him do on the field. I hope he can stay healthy. records are made to be broken. That said, he's got a loooooooonnnggg was to go.
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LOL, Brady had never been gifted the goat. It's tough enough to win one (Josh you know this to be very true) and to win 6 it is never one person but if you don't have a great QB you'll never have that opportunity.
People always want to sask who's more important, Brady or Belichick. They are both important. You don't win multiple SB's without either and nevermind win 6 while going to 9.
As for Mahomes. My eyes can't believe what I see him do on the field. I hope he can stay healthy. records are made to be broken. That said, he's got a loooooooonnnggg was to go.
It's really hard to fathom nine Super Bowl appearances in nineteen years. Every season there's a fifty/fifty chance that Brady and NE win the conference.
A big part of that is that Belichick found a system that came naturally to Brady. A system Brady was able to thoroughly master. And Bill had the good sense to never, ever fuck with it. When you've got somebody with Brady's skills and football smarts, running a system that's second nature to him, all you need is for a few talented guys to get it like he does and you're going to win a bunch of games.
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I don't know how anyone can still debate the greatness of Mahomes, but the internet provides a lot of space for contrarians. ;)
I won't call him a clown again, but today showed why I don't trust Goff. He shit the bed at home against a depleted 49ers team and they lost a big division game.
I am so detached from this Broncos team that I didn't even care about how today went down and the beating they took. Ugh.
Also, after all of the chatter about it, Belichick not bringing Brady back doesn't seem so wrong now, does it? The Patriots were crippled for nearly a month due to COVID, and the Bucs are loaded almost everywhere, yet the Patriots are only one game worse than them in the loss column now.
You ever see someone buy a hammer and use it to weed in their garden? That's how Arians is using Brady.
Okay, but are we are going to play the "it is always someone's fault but Tom's game"? Last year it was the Hoodie's fault for not giving him enough weapons. And I guess this year it is Arian's fault for not using him correctly (as if Brady doesn't have a huge say in what plays are called and run).
Mahomes being the new Brady wouldn't make sense since it took Brady years to be an actual great QB, while Mahomes has been awesome since the day he became the starter. Very different start to their careers.
Also, who in the media is called Mahomes the greatest? Some names, please. ;)
I don't know if anybody has, but you can't possibly tell me that you haven't seen his coronation taking place all around you. At this point, according to the talking heads, it's only a matter of a couple of years before he's officially the GOAT. Have you not picked up on the fact that every pundit out there thinks he's already better than Brady?
Well, they think he is better than Brady right now, which of course he is*, but I seriously doubt anyone, outside of a major TB12 hater, would put Mahomes ahead of Brady all-time. That would be silly obviously.
*serious question: does anyone here actually think the 2020 Tom Brady is better than the 2020 Patrick Mahomes?
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hat he's doing isn't bad Kev and of course he has some blame but he's 43 on a new system and as a head coach, Arians shouldn't be the "gambler" like he always had. His QB they got in free agency is not a gambler. Look ate the last 4 QB's who's 1st year with Arians was like. A ton of interceptions.
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Well, they think he is better than Brady right now, which of course he is*, but I seriously doubt anyone, outside of a major TB12 hater, would put Mahomes ahead of Brady all-time. That would be silly obviously.
*serious question: does anyone here actually think the 2020 Tom Brady is better than the 2020 Patrick Mahomes?
No. But I think the alltime bit is actually happening. Nobody's saying it yet outright, but the implication is very clear that Mahomes will be the GOAT, and that kind of makes him the GOAT already, doesn't it?
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Kev, your answer to your question is obviously no. Not even close. Mahomes is light years above all QB's right now.
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hat he's doing isn't bad Kev and of course he has some blame but he's 43 on a new system and as a head coach, Arians shouldn't be the "gambler" like he always had. His QB they got in free agency is not a gambler. Look ate the last 4 QB's who's 1st year with Arians was like. A ton of interceptions.
I'm not putting Brady's troubles on Arians. At the same time, only an idiot takes the GOAT and tells him to play differently than he has over the rest of his illustrious career. In this situation you build around Brady's talents and let him do his thing.
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hat he's doing isn't bad Kev and of course he has some blame but he's 43 on a new system and as a head coach, Arians shouldn't be the "gambler" like he always had. His QB they got in free agency is not a gambler. Look ate the last 4 QB's who's 1st year with Arians was like. A ton of interceptions.
I agree that Arians should be tweaking his system a bit more, but let's not act like he is calling all of the shots and poor Tom Brady is just doing what he is told. Brady has a big say in how they are running that offense.
Well, they think he is better than Brady right now, which of course he is*, but I seriously doubt anyone, outside of a major TB12 hater, would put Mahomes ahead of Brady all-time. That would be silly obviously.
*serious question: does anyone here actually think the 2020 Tom Brady is better than the 2020 Patrick Mahomes?
No. But I think the alltime bit is actually happening. Nobody's saying it yet outright, but the implication is very clear that Mahomes will be the GOAT, and that kind of makes him the GOAT already, doesn't it?
I would say no. I would agree that some need to pipe down on the "Mahomes will be the GOAT" talk. He has a long way to go. But we haven't seen a 3-year stretch out of a QB like this since probably Kurt Warner. It's hard not to gush when you watch Mahomes play and see what he is doing.
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One thing that gets overlooked with Brady is the fact that he's been to the SB 9 times. 9 times! It's hard enough to get to one much less nine. I don't think that record will ever be broken.
But Mahomes has only had 3 seasons!
Mahomes being the new Brady wouldn't make sense since it took Brady years to be an actual great QB, while Mahomes has been awesome since the day he became the starter. Very different start to their careers.
Also, who in the media is called Mahomes the greatest? Some names, please. ;)
I don't know if anybody has, but you can't possibly tell me that you haven't seen his coronation taking place all around you. At this point, according to the talking heads, it's only a matter of a couple of years before he's officially the GOAT. Have you not picked up on the fact that every pundit out there thinks he's already better than Brady?
Nantz and Romo were talking about the fact that this may be the last time they play each other, and Nantz asked Romo - it wasn't really a question but throwing a "you're the former QB" bone - how meaningful it was for Mahomes to bring their head-to-head record to 2-2 as Mahomes "builds his legacy". Are you fucking kidding me? We're talking "legacies" now at three years?
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Okay, but are we are going to play the "it is always someone's fault but Tom's game"? Last year it was the Hoodie's fault for not giving him enough weapons. And I guess this year it is Arian's fault for not using him correctly (as if Brady doesn't have a huge say in what plays are called and run).
Fair point, but don't generalize all the Brady supporters - I'm talking about me, here - in that bucket. I'm not a Brady apologist. He's not perfect, he can be stubborn, and he makes mistakes when he's under pressure (I mean pass rushes, not late game pressure). But while there are several guys that you'd love to have when you're down by four and have the ball with 1:45, there are really only one or two guys you'd love to have when you're down 17 with 15:00 to play.
FOR ME, where you see the difference between coach and player is in the total game play. In that game yesterday, the Bucs needed a stop... it was third down, I think it was at the 2:00 warning, and the Bucs gave up the first down, effectively ending the game. That's where the coach comes in; setting your guy up to succeed. I don't care how good Brady or Mahomes are, if they are on the sidelines, it's not helping your club. Now, I can't prove this, but I think that's one way that Brady rises above some of the other good/great QBs in the league. If I'm a defensive player on Seattle, Arizona, KC, or Baltimore, and it's 27-24, I know I can make one play and set my guy up for a win. If I'm a defensive player on NE or (now) TB) and it's 27-14, I know I can make one play and set Brady up for a win.
*serious question: does anyone here actually think the 2020 Tom Brady is better than the 2020 Patrick Mahomes?
Not me. My QB Rankings:
Mahomes
Brees (and I'm going to piss some people off, but if he played every game, I'd have him at No.1; he was without Thomas for several games and that was a huge blow to his performance, even leading to the "he can't throw downfield anymore" talk, IMO)
Rodgers
Murray
Watson
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Other QBs who had to learn new systems - Cam, Rivers, Dalton, etc. Never hear any excuses being made for them. Unbelievable. Funny thing today, I see a lot of commentary about Romo’s epic wearing out of the knee pads last night :rollin. Cowherd suspected Brady called him before the game, and Cowherd’s a Brady lover. “Ball goes off lineman’s helmet = receiver ran wrong route” :lol
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Rivers 2020 - 16 TD's 9 INT's
Let's not even look at Cam's stats. :lol
Yeah, they are at Brady's level LOL
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Other QBs who had to learn new systems - Cam, Rivers, Dalton, etc. Never hear any excuses being made for them. Unbelievable. Funny thing today, I see a lot of commentary about Romo’s epic wearing out of the knee pads last night :rollin. Cowherd suspected Brady called him before the game, and Cowherd’s a Brady lover. “Ball goes off lineman’s helmet = receiver ran wrong route” :lol
Look, your hatred of Brady is not even thinly disguised. None of those QBs are even remotely at Brady's level. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is one Super Bowl APPEARANCE between them, and no wins (Cam folded like a house of cards in response to Wade Phillips and Von Miller). No excuses are made because they are at best average QBs (I'll give you above average to Rivers, because he's got numbers over a lenghty career, but he's a loser, as in, he doesn't win). Brady is an all-time elite QB, and if you think he isn't, the rest of your analysis is fundamentally flawed.
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Other QBs who had to learn new systems - Cam, Rivers, Dalton, etc. Never hear any excuses being made for them. Unbelievable. Funny thing today, I see a lot of commentary about Romo’s epic wearing out of the knee pads last night :rollin. Cowherd suspected Brady called him before the game, and Cowherd’s a Brady lover. “Ball goes off lineman’s helmet = receiver ran wrong route” :lol
For my part, I didn't cite that as an excuse. Brady's getting old. He's not as quick as he was. What I said, and I'll stand by it all the way, is that if you sign a QB who's mastered a particular system, and I'm pretty sure you'll grant that part, you're a dumbass if you come in and expect him to use a completely different system. You're probably not going to get the same level of play out of him.
"Hey, Mariano, I know you're a closer, but that's not how we do things around here. From now on you'll start games just like the rest of the pitchers. Comprende?
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^^^ That's actually a phenomenal example right there. Mariano MIGHT give you five solid innings, but if he gets shelled, does that mean he WASN'T the greatest closer of all time for the 15 years before that?
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The Panthers lost again yesterday (definitely a rebuilding year), but they continue to show heart.
Rookie Jeremy Chinn became the first NFL defensive player in history to score TDs on consecutive plays. So that was neat.
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Mahomes
Brees (and I'm going to piss some people off, but if he played every game, I'd have him at No.1; he was without Thomas for several games and that was a huge blow to his performance, even leading to the "he can't throw downfield anymore" talk, IMO)
Rodgers
Murray
Watson
You don't consider Russell Wilson a current top 5 NFL QB?? :eek :eek
Nantz and Romo were talking about the fact that this may be the last time they play each other, and Nantz asked Romo - it wasn't really a question but throwing a "you're the former QB" bone - how meaningful it was for Mahomes to bring their head-to-head record to 2-2 as Mahomes "builds his legacy". Are you fucking kidding me? We're talking "legacies" now at three years?
That is a stupid standard anyway (directed at the media, not you), looking at head to head, since it is not like they are going against each other the field at the same time. Brady has a losing playoff record against Jake Plummer, Nick Foles and Mark Sanchez. What does that mean? NADA.
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The butt fumble trumps all Kev. :lol
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I still remember being at my cousin's for a big Turkey Day shindig and there must have been 10 of us watching the game at that point and we all lost it when the Butt Fumble happened. It's a play so iconic that Butt Fumble has to be capitalized.
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Then, they killed us in the playoffs. It was The apex of that combo of Ryan/Sanchez.
I was there. It was painful.
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Wait, I am pretty sure the Butt Fumble was a few seasons after the upset of the Patriots in the playoffs. I'll have to look that one up.
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So... Seahawks Eagles, 4th quarter, and Wilson throws a beautiful ball down the left sideline to DK Metcalf, who is covered like Lord Jon Stark standing at the top of the Wall by Darius Slay. He's got no business catching that ball, and yet hauls it in like it was a family game of wiffle ball in the back yard. What does Brian Griese say? "That reminds me of the throw yesterday to Tyreek Hill from Patrick Mahomes, a perfect throw over the helmet of the defender!". Now, I've been watching every snap of this game - though, fair play, I did doze a little midway through the first half - and the only clip I've seen played during the game of one of the OTHER games played this week? The other throw from Mahomes to Hill. I get it, you have to pimp your product, but it's just ridiculous. Between that and the State Farm commercials, he's spending so much time in my living room, I feel like we're dating.
(Since someone will say something, I'm just having some fun; all that I wrote is true, but it's all in jest.)
By the way, this Eagles team is a mess. Wentz is just getting crushed behind that line, and they keep bringing in Hurts for no apparent reason, which basically makes him MORE of a sitting duck.
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Mahomes
Brees (and I'm going to piss some people off, but if he played every game, I'd have him at No.1; he was without Thomas for several games and that was a huge blow to his performance, even leading to the "he can't throw downfield anymore" talk, IMO)
Rodgers
Murray
Watson
You don't consider Russell Wilson a current top 5 NFL QB?? :eek :eek
I won't argue that; I gave Watson the benefit of the doubt for playing well lately, over Wilson who had a couple tough weeks. But I'm a Wilson fan, so I have no beef with swapping him in for Watson (or even Murray).
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Wait, I am pretty sure the Butt Fumble was a few seasons after the upset of the Patriots in the playoffs. I'll have to look that one up.
Same season. 2010.
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I still remember being at my cousin's for a big Turkey Day shindig and there must have been 10 of us watching the game at that point and we all lost it when the Butt Fumble happened. It's a play so iconic that Butt Fumble has to be capitalized.
Heck...it has its own Wikipedia article!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butt_fumble
Wait, I am pretty sure the Butt Fumble was a few seasons after the upset of the Patriots in the playoffs. I'll have to look that one up.
Same season. 2010.
Nope. The playoff upset was January 16, 2011 (I always remember the year because we were in the mountains with friends for a ski weekend). Butt Fumble happened in the 2012 season (Nov. 22).
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Ah it all blurs together. Both regular season games were blow outs by the Pats but the Jets took it to the Pats in 2010. 45-3 but lost 28-21 to the Jets in the Divisional round and it wasn't really that close.
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Ah it all blurs together. Both regular season games were blow outs by the Pats but the Jets took it to the Pats in 2010. 45-3 but lost 28-21 to the Jets in the Divisional round and it wasn't really that close.
That playoff win against the Pats is still the happiest I’ve ever been as a Jets fan. I remember the pure elation I felt when they recovered that last onside kick. Of course, I also remember the absolute heartbreak I felt one week later watching the Jets lose what is as of this writing their most recent playoff game. I still get a little sad anytime I see 3rd and 6, as that’s what the Steelers converted to get the last first down and allowed them to run out the clock on the Jets season. It all fell apart so fast after that.
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Ah it all blurs together. Both regular season games were blow outs by the Pats but the Jets took it to the Pats in 2010. 45-3 but lost 28-21 to the Jets in the Divisional round and it wasn't really that close.
That playoff win against the Pats is still the happiest I’ve ever been as a Jets fan. I remember the pure elation I felt when they recovered that last onside kick. Of course, I also remember the absolute heartbreak I felt one week later watching the Jets lose what is as of this writing their most recent playoff game. I still get a little sad anytime I see 3rd and 6, as that’s what the Steelers converted to get the last first down and allowed them to run out the clock on the Jets season. It all fell apart so fast after that.
Of only the jets put a few more points in the first half. Or stop the Steelers early on.
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The Jets showed some guts in the second half of the AFCCG with their near-comeback against the Steelers, but in the first half they looked like a team that was just happy to have beaten the Patriots the week prior.
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Wow, this is some good Jets talk, guys. :lol
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Oh gee, some new activity in the NFL thread, let me see what's going on
*Butt Fumble*
*2010 AFC Championship*
(https://i.imgur.com/GK5x3FG.gif)
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Seahawks with a somewhat easy win. What a shock.
Watch the Raiders give the Jets their first win. Wouldn't be surprised.
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I wonder if Adam Gase has figured out yet that they only reason he hasn't been fired is because the higher-ups want to make sure they keep sucking to get the number 1 pick in the draft and that keeping Gase on as the head coach is the best way to ensure that happens. :lol :lol
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I wonder if Adam Gase has figured out yet that they only reason he hasn't been fired is because the higher-ups want to make sure they keep sucking to get the number 1 pick in the draft and that keeping Gase on as the head coach is the best way to ensure that happens. :lol :lol
He either knows or is a complete idiot.
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I wonder if Adam Gase has figured out yet that they only reason he hasn't been fired is because the higher-ups want to make sure they keep sucking to get the number 1 pick in the draft and that keeping Gase on as the head coach is the best way to ensure that happens. :lol :lol
He either knows or is a complete idiot.
He has to know and he has to know this is it for him. He's failed far more often than he's succeeded and he may not get another chance at this. I'm not suggesting that the Lions or the Texans made a mistake, but you have to wonder about the Jets front office when those other guys are looking for a job and Gase isn't. This is yet another in a long line of guys that are great COORDINATORS but not great HEAD COACHES. This is his second failure; I'm sure some organization - Chicago, Detroit - will take a flyer on this guy based on two seasons as an OC seven years ago. Jeez, Louise, I don't get it.
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I don't know how this would work for cap purposes (I know the Eagles are taking a big hit for him) but how abuot a new start for Wentz in New England? Does Belichick find his new guy in the league or in the draft?
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I don't know how this would work for cap purposes (I know the Eagles are taking a big hit for him) but how abuot a new start for Wentz in New England? Does Belichick find his new guy in the league or in the draft?
Phili's stuck with him. Nobody will pay the 35 he's due next year, and the Eagles can't afford to dump him (59 dead cap).
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Pro football on Wednesday afternoon??
I could get used to this!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Pro football on Wednesday afternoon??
I could get used to this!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal
I lived in Burbank for a year; the absolute BEST was coming home from work on Monday and having football be right there with your dinner. I also grew to be a fan of morning coffee and football, too.
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Are the Steelers and Ravens jacked up with the covids? What crappy football so far. :tdwn
And yes - I have travelled to CA. during football season! It was AWESOME! :metal :metal :metal
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I went to the nearby liquor store two hours before this 'SNF' edition kickoff to get six for me and my buddy to watch the game out in my garage.....and, good gawd, there were about a dozen people in line stocking up for the game. The 'new' normal.....
btw....after the first quarter, this is like watching the second preseason game of the year.
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I imagine this game will kind of be like that half a season with the replacement refs....only with replacement players...
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Are the Steelers and Ravens jacked up with the covids? What crappy football so far. :tdwn
And yes - I have travelled to CA. during football season! It was AWESOME! :metal :metal :metal
I remember making my picks on a Sunday morning poolside in San Diego a few years back, eating bacon and toast, and enjoying the eye candy. It wasn't bad. :lol
This, however, sucks ass.
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Harbaugh's situation at the end of the half was very similar to Pete Carroll's to end the Super Bowl against NE. Second and goal with the clock beating down, and you have to throw the ball once. Naturally, Collinsworth is going on about how stupid it was. And he called the first time out hoping that the booth would take a look at the previous run, which was very close.
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I should be home in time to see most of the 4th quarter, but I hope the Ravens find a way to win this game, just to see Steelers fans everywhere crying about what an injustice it is! :lol :lol
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Pro football on Wednesday afternoon??
I could get used to this!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal
I lived in Burbank for a year; the absolute BEST was coming home from work on Monday and having football be right there with your dinner. I also grew to be a fan of morning coffee and football, too.
I still don't understand how east coast folks do it. No football until 1:00 on Sundays and evening games that don't start until after 8:00? It's the same with World Series and Stanley Cup Final games. For a while, it was a novelty that a game would end after midnight eastern, but how do you expect to keep kids as fans when games end that late? WAY off topic, but I would LOVE to see daytime World Series games on weekends.
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Pro football on Wednesday afternoon??
I could get used to this!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal
I lived in Burbank for a year; the absolute BEST was coming home from work on Monday and having football be right there with your dinner. I also grew to be a fan of morning coffee and football, too.
I still don't understand how east coast folks do it. No football until 1:00 on Sundays and evening games that don't start until after 8:00? It's the same with World Series and Stanley Cup Final games. For a while, it was a novelty that a game would end after midnight eastern, but how do you expect to keep kids as fans when games end that late? WAY off topic, but I would LOVE to see daytime World Series games on weekends.
In my youth it didn't bother me. As an aging man now I can't stay up late anymore without paying it 2 days later.
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Pro football on Wednesday afternoon??
I could get used to this!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal
I lived in Burbank for a year; the absolute BEST was coming home from work on Monday and having football be right there with your dinner. I also grew to be a fan of morning coffee and football, too.
I still don't understand how east coast folks do it. No football until 1:00 on Sundays and evening games that don't start until after 8:00? It's the same with World Series and Stanley Cup Final games. For a while, it was a novelty that a game would end after midnight eastern, but how do you expect to keep kids as fans when games end that late? WAY off topic, but I would LOVE to see daytime World Series games on weekends.
Even on the east coast, when I was a kid, the ALCS/NLCS would be on in the afternoon. I can distinctly remember coming home from school and watching the Reds and the A's and the Yankees and the Phillies after school. Tony Kubek and Joe Garagiola. Loved it. My Gram hated it (pre-empted her "stories" - the soap operas) but it was great.
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Pro football on Wednesday afternoon??
I could get used to this!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal
I lived in Burbank for a year; the absolute BEST was coming home from work on Monday and having football be right there with your dinner. I also grew to be a fan of morning coffee and football, too.
I still don't understand how east coast folks do it. No football until 1:00 on Sundays and evening games that don't start until after 8:00? It's the same with World Series and Stanley Cup Final games. For a while, it was a novelty that a game would end after midnight eastern, but how do you expect to keep kids as fans when games end that late? WAY off topic, but I would LOVE to see daytime World Series games on weekends.
Even on the east coast, when I was a kid, the ALCS/NLCS would be on in the afternoon. I can distinctly remember coming home from school and watching the Reds and the A's and the Yankees and the Phillies after school. Tony Kubek and Joe Garagiola. Loved it. My Gram hated it (pre-empted her "stories" - the soap operas) but it was great.
Yeah it was. Some kids would bring small radios to school, and we'd listen to the games at lunch...and sometimes even at morning recess...and sometimes the kid with the radio would get an earpiece and listen during class and circulate news via passing notes. Good stuff!
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I remember the Pats were so bad that because they didn't sell our the stadium, they wouldn't televise the game. Lucky for me the rabbit ears picked up the Portland, Me station that did have the game on.
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I remember the Pats were so bad that because they didn't sell our the stadium, they wouldn't televise the game. Lucky for me the rabbit ears picked up the Portland, Me station that did have the game on.
Steve Grogan, Russ Francis, Stanley Morgan, John Hannah, right?
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Hannah was one of my sports idles growing up. His stares could kill people.
Don't forget
Mosi Tatupu
Sam (Bam) Cunningham
Julias Adams
Andre Tippett
Raymond Clayborn
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Hannah was one of my sports idles growing up. His stares could kill people.
Don't forget
Mosi Tatupu
Sam (Bam) Cunningham
Julias Adams
Andre Tippett
Raymond Clayborn
My biggest omission was Mike Haynes.
The Patriots of that era were one of my alternate favorite teams.
Fun fact: About five years into his NFL career, the Patriots' starting center for most of the 70s and into the early 80s, Bill Lenkaitis, earned a dental degree during the offseason. He was the Patriots' team dentist both while he was an active player and after he retired.
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To this day on sports talk radio here the refer to him as Dr. Bill Lenkaitis.
Mike Haynes played at an all star level for the Raiders as well.
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Power Rankings 12-03-2020
1. Kansas City Chiefs - still the team to beat, despite the one loss. As explosive as their offense is, they can beat you by death by a thousand cuts as well.
2. Pittsburgh Steelers - it seems weird, but it almost feels like they need to 16-0 and get home field in order to have a good shot to beat the Chiefs.
3. New Orleans Saints - Sean Payton is maddening at times, but he is undefeated in the last two seasons in games where Drew Brees did not play.
4. Green Bay Packers - still not totally sold on them as being a top contender, but they are a Saints loss away from the 1 seed in the NFC.
5. Seattle Seahawks - all of a sudden, they have a pass rush, which could make them really dangerous.
6. Tennessee Titans - after a mid-season falter, they are looking great again, and have some weak opponents coming up for Henry to run all over.
7. Buffalo Bills - I still don't know what to make of this team, but the division is theirs to lose.
8. Los Angeles Rams - when they are on, they can beat anyone, but when they are off, it is not pretty.
9. Cleveland Browns - this team getting 8-3 despite Mayfield still being subpar is damn impressive.
10. Indianapolis Colts - Andrew Luck has to be watching this and wondering where an o-line this good was during his tenure with the Colts.
Rising: Giants, Texans, Vikings, Falcons and the WFT
Fading: Ravens, Bucs, Bears, Eagles and Raiders
LOL category: Jets
MVP Candidates
1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Russell Wilson
4. Derrick Henry
5. Josh Allen
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I still don't understand how east coast folks do it. No football until 1:00 on Sundays and evening games that don't start until after 8:00?
I grew up on the West Coast, and when I went to VA for college that totally messed me up.
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I still don't understand how east coast folks do it. No football until 1:00 on Sundays and evening games that don't start until after 8:00?
I grew up on the West Coast, and when I went to VA for college that totally messed me up.
I've been on the west coast all of my life. It's going to be tough when we retire to Florida an a couple years.
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It's early, but the Browns look great so far today in a big game against the Titans. Baker looks good as well. Kevin Stefanski is my pick for coach of the year, hands down.
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Well, if the Jets are gonna get their first win, very glad it was against the Raiders lol
wtf nevermind
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The Trevor Lawrence dream lives :lol :lol
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Good day for NE's Wolverines. Winovich has had his moments this year, but he and Uche have been monsters today.
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Eagles finally bench Wentz. While their problems extend far beyond him, he looks awful, so might as well see what the rook can do.
Meanwhile, Anthony Lynn is being taken to school by Belichick again.
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:facepalm: Seahawks :facepalm:
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I didn't see all of either game, but flipped between the Pats, the Gints, and cooking dinner, and was impressed with all three (I made a chili glazed meatloaf with ginger rice and ponzu and sesame green beans). :) :) :)
Belichick is what, 20-5 against rookie QBs? The Giants are just playing good team ball. Solid fundamentals.
Kicking myself over that Houston pick. Killin' me.
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Ok...someone help me with this.
I just heard some highlight guy get all self-righteous about something that happened in the Bengals v. Dolphins game. Based on what I saw of the highlights, what happened was that the Bengals punted, the Miami returner didn't fair catch, and a Bengals defender laid the guy out. This angered whomever was doing the highlights, but they then showed a subsequent punt in which basically the same thing happened, EXCEPT that the Bengals defender arrived before the ball. The official appropriately threw a flag, and a brawl ensued. The highlight guy was beside himself that the guy who made the hit wasn't ejected. I couldn't figure it out. The guy got flagged for the second hit, which was appropriate, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out why the highlight guy was so up in arms.
So...what did I miss?
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Ok...someone help me with this.
I just heard some highlight guy get all self-righteous about something that happened in the Bengals v. Dolphins game. Based on what I saw of the highlights, what happened was that the Bengals punted, the Miami returner didn't fair catch, and a Bengals defender laid the guy out. This angered whomever was doing the highlights, but they then showed a subsequent punt in which basically the same thing happened, EXCEPT that the Bengals defender arrived before the ball. The official appropriately threw a flag, and a brawl ensued. The highlight guy was beside himself that the guy who made the hit wasn't ejected. I couldn't figure it out. The guy got flagged for the second hit, which was appropriate, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out why the highlight guy was so up in arms.
So...what did I miss?
He had money on the 'fins? :) :)
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It's the "How dare you not wear a mask while Jogging" culture. Both tackles was waisted high. Ht the league is trying to get it out of the game.
The guy crying is Mike Tirico who was suspended for sexually harassing and stalking women at ESPN.
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Ohhhh boy. What a day.
Giants' D ate up the Seahawks. ::) Y'all ain't gettin to the SB playin like that! Might not even win the west. Gonna come down to the end of the season with the Rams playing them and AZ the last two weeks.
I was a few seconds away from being right about the Raiders giving the Jets their first win. Allowing 15 points in the 4th. :facepalm: Then they pull off another miracle at the meadowlands.
Can it get any worse for the Chargers? :loser: Coach needed to be fired weeks ago. Put out this damn dumpster fire!
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Did the Jets throw that game??? What a baffling playcall.
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Did the Jets throw that game??? What a baffling playcall.
They might have saw that the Jags ended up losing to Vikes and realized a win would do them no good.
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Honestly, and I'm only half kidding here, but I have no doubt that if Adam Gase tried to tank the game, the Jets would end up winning by two touchdowns. And they're not getting Lawrence ANYWAY.
More seriously, I can't imagine any of those players want to be known as one of the four teams in the Super Bowl era to go winless, and one of the three teams in the 16-game era to do the same.
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I fucked up and forgot to make my picks in the pick em :lol but I thoroughly enjoyed watching that Giants game yesterday. Of course I only went in with the hope of putting up a fight with our back up QB, but wow I was impressed. The Giant's defense had been solid all year and kept them in all but one game, but they were something else yesterday. Combined wtih an OL that has improved all year to finally open up a run game and the Giants actually look legit now. No one cares if you beat the teams in the NFC East, but finally getting a win to a good opponent makes me think this Giants team has potential to not just be competitive, but to maybe win a playoff game if they keep up the momentum. Solid D and a run game is the recipe for success and somehow, Joe Judge has transformed what was a team that couldn't do either, to a team that is really good at both. Won't matter who the QB is if they can consistently play like that, but of course it would help to get Jones back for the final stretch.
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Eagles finally bench Wentz. While their problems extend far beyond him, he looks awful, so might as well see what the rook can do.
Meanwhile, Anthony Lynn is being taken to school by Belichick again.
Wentz just needs to play the Cowboys to get back on track. Our defense will make him look like a Hall of Famer....... :tdwn
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It's the "How dare you not wear a mask while Jogging" culture. Both tackles was waisted high. Ht the league is trying to get it out of the game.
The guy crying is Mike Tirico who was suspended for sexually harassing and stalking women at ESPN.
I thought it was Tirico but couldn't remember. Here's an article describing and quoting Tirico and Chris Simms: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2020/12/06/mike-tirico-how-cincinnati-bengals-mike-thomas-not-ejected-hits-dolphins-jakeem-grant-punt-returns/3853266001/
I'm having trouble finding good video of the first hit, but video of the second hit clearly shows that, while the defender arrived before the ball, the defender was clearly making an effort to hit with his shoulder, with his head turned to the side, and to hit the receiver's mid-section. Soo...we can't hit the head, can't take out the legs, and now the mid-section is off limits?? Stupid....
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Eagles finally bench Wentz. While their problems extend far beyond him, he looks awful, so might as well see what the rook can do.
Meanwhile, Anthony Lynn is being taken to school by Belichick again.
Wentz just needs to play the Cowboys to get back on track. Our defense will make him look like a Hall of Famer....... :tdwn
I'm no Eagles fan - I used to wear a Giants jersey around my house in South Philly - but benching Wentz is a desperate move by a desperate coach. He's not playing stellar, but he's also getting killed back there. He's not that far removed from some very good if not great play, he's just being asked to do it all and he's not that kind of quarterback. Hurts will get a little traction, because he can run, but if they get into a shootout, they're in worse trouble than they are now, because the line is still going to suck, the weapons around him are still going to be green and you don't have the experience of Wentz to make very little out of absolutely nothing.
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I'm no Eagles fan - I used to wear a Giants jersey around my house in South Philly - but benching Wentz is a desperate move by a desperate coach. He's not playing stellar, but he's also getting killed back there. He's not that far removed from some very good if not great play, he's just being asked to do it all and he's not that kind of quarterback. Hurts will get a little traction, because he can run, but if they get into a shootout, they're in worse trouble than they are now, because the line is still going to suck, the weapons around him are still going to be green and you don't have the experience of Wentz to make very little out of absolutely nothing.
I think the problem with Wentz is that he has picked up too many bad habits. He needs a new coach to hit the reset button and teach him good old habits again, IMO. I don't expect Pederson to be their coach when their 2021 season start. I am sure he will always be a hero in Philly for coaching the team to their first SB win (as much as Philly fans can actually like someone, that is :lol), but for my money, he is that tier with Switzer and Mike McCarthy as the worst head coaches to ever win a Super Bowl.
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And won it against on of the best coaches ever.
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That will go down as one of the biggest WTF's ever.
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Hey, they outplayed us but that stung because the D couldn't stop the backup. Crazy game. Only can tip the hat.
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That's all you can do. 2017 Eagles felt like one of those lightning in a bottle seasons where everything went right. Even when Wentz got hurt, the defense picked up the slack while Foles sucked until he got it together in the NFCCG.
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Washington wins in Pittsburgh. You can't help but root for Alex Smith.
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Holy crap! They won!
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I didn't even know the game was on. I tuned in late in the 4th.
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Washington wins in Pittsburgh. You can't help but root for Alex Smith.
I don’t even like Washington (or any team in the NFC East for test matter), but Alex Smith deserves success. With that said, it looks like the division is the Giants to lose right now. They’ve won four in a row and have the sweep over Washington.
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I swear to god I'm gonna fuckin vomit lava the next time I see a coach pussy out and call a running play or <5 yard pass on third and 15+. Somehow, Sean McDermott decided that a 35-yard field goal was so up in the air that he conceded a TD that would likely ice the game just to get a few extra yards because an extra point-length FG was shaky in his opinion.
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Okay, just heard Brian Griese slip and say "headjob". I'm back to good now.
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Washington wins in Pittsburgh. You can't help but root for Alex Smith.
I don’t even like Washington (or any team in the NFC East for test matter), but Alex Smith deserves success. With that said, it looks like the division is the Giants to lose right now. They’ve won four in a row and have the sweep over Washington.
Giants are definitely trending up, but Washington has the veteran QB and coach in their favor. At least the odds are now that the East winner will be playing some good football going into January. Will still have a crap record, but at least it will be a team trending up.
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Man...'9ers just look like a team that is still struggling with some missing pieces playing a really good team. It is what it is. They are a bit outmatched. But I love that they are giving it their all and putting up a good fight.
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Washington wins in Pittsburgh. You can't help but root for Alex Smith.
Probably fanciful thinking, but I like to think Alex Smith knew full well what he was doing when he took the football off the field there at the end of the first half.
Not going to lie, though: the photos of his recovery are hard to look at, and every time he takes a hit I catch my breath. I struggle to imagine what his wife goes through each week.
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Fun Fact! The Patriots will have back to back SoFi games before the Rams will. :lol .................... :\
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Really wanted Pitt to continue their win streak, but I do got to give respect to Alex Smith and his recovery story.
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Washington wins in Pittsburgh. You can't help but root for Alex Smith.
Probably fanciful thinking, but I like to think Alex Smith knew full well what he was doing when he took the football off the field there at the end of the first half.
Not going to lie, though: the photos of his recovery are hard to look at, and every time he takes a hit I catch my breath. I struggle to imagine what his wife goes through each week.
I too am rooting for Alex but like others, I cringe every time he steps back to pass.
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I'm just happy the Browns are 9-3 and in control of their own destiny as far as the playoffs go. I wish they could not let teams back into games when they are blowing them out, but hey, I'm just happy they're winning and looking good doing it. Cautiously optimistic about the playoffs.
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I'm just happy the Browns are 9-3 and in control of their own destiny as far as the playoffs go. I wish they could not let teams back into games when they are blowing them out, but hey, I'm just happy they're winning and looking good doing it. Cautiously optimistic about the playoffs.
Since my Broncos suck balls this year, I'll probably adopt/root for the Browns. Go Cleveland!
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The Browns are a team you just don't hate on because of how bad they have been for so long so when they have a record like this you have to root for them.
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The Browns are a team you just don't hate on because of how bad they have been for so long so when they have a record like this you have to root for them.
I don't know, maybe it's PR, but after watching those commercials with Baker, he's a likable guy. I kinda want him to succeed, and now that the albatross of OBJ is gone they're a fun team to watch.
(I love that one where he has to keep going back in through security, and they call him "Parker" and wand him.)
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The Browns are a team you just don't hate on because of how bad they have been for so long so when they have a record like this you have to root for them.
I don't know, maybe it's PR, but after watching those commercials with Baker, he's a likable guy. I kinda want him to succeed, and now that the albatross of OBJ is gone they're a fun team to watch.
(I love that one where he has to keep going back in through security, and they call him "Parker" and wand him.)
Yup. Those commercials don't hurt. Very low-key funny (although, off the top of my head, I can't recall what they're advertising, so I'm not sure how effective they are).
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That's funny you say that, since I couldn't think of it either as I typed that out! :)
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Isn't it for Progressive?
I've come close to posting a few times that I really like those commercials. I'm kind of a closet commercial critic, but I think those are really clever.
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Isn't it for Progressive?
I've come close to posting a few times that I really like those commercials. I'm kind of a closet commercial critic, but I think those are really clever.
Another good one (and related to the thread): the Bud Lite commercial where the camera is in the refrigerator. I love when the woman comes in hot, yelling "where is the Bu... never mind, I FOUND it!", and the girl doing the whippets.
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Isn't it for Progressive?
Googles....yup.
the girl doing the whippets.
Ummm....
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HAHAHA!
Hey, I found this. I mentioned Wentz as a Pat earlier, and on it's face it doesn't make sense, but this - where a trade before March of 2021 breaks the Eagles even on the cap - is intriguing. In fact, they are number two on the list of potential landing spots for Carson. But honestly, 3, 4, and 5 (especially five) make even LESS sense.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/forecasting-carson-wentzs-future-what-are-eagles-options-2021-landing-spots-contract-scenarios/
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I got three teams in the playoff picture, it's gonna take several miracles for any of them to get to the SB. Raiders and Seahawks lost to teams they should have easily beat, and the Rams haven't really faced many good teams, so they're iffy.
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This is always that time of year, though, and with COVID, it's even worse than before. With no preseason, the injuries are going to be more of a factor (ask any SF fan), and so it's all up in the air. I think if anyone tells you they "know" who will be in the Super Bowl, they're deluding themselves.
I'm Team New Orleans right now, and I'm deeply concerned that they've peaked. In a one-game playoff situation, the Steelers are beatable, the Chiefs are beatable, the Packers are beatable, the Bills...
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HAHAHA!
Hey, I found this. I mentioned Wentz as a Pat earlier, and on it's face it doesn't make sense, but this - where a trade before March of 2021 breaks the Eagles even on the cap - is intriguing. In fact, they are number two on the list of potential landing spots for Carson. But honestly, 3, 4, and 5 (especially five) make even LESS sense.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/forecasting-carson-wentzs-future-what-are-eagles-options-2021-landing-spots-contract-scenarios/
Nobody's going to trade for the guy. He makes 34.5 next year, and the only way around it would be to restructure his deal over a longer term. He's worth neither the 34.5 nor the multi-year commitment. Phili is stuck with him on their bench next year.
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You're probably right; I just have dreams of glory. :)
Anyone watch the game last night? Funny exchange between Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, where they were both gushing over Tucker, who had - to that point - made something like 76 straight field goals under 40 yards. Buck even made the joke about who would be to blame if he tanked it because of all their praise. He made the field goal attempt, but it was wiped out by a penalty then he hooked the retry. It was funny, and I think Buck was truly a little embarrassed by it. :)
Troy was REALLY harsh to the Cowboys. On more than one occasion he flat out said they were tanking it, not putting in the effort.
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Pats whip Chargers 45-0 and are within Cam being stopped at the 1-yd line against Seattle and fumbling down there against Buffalo of being 8-4 with 8 opt-outs on D. Belichick continues to answer the question, emphatically. This roster being 6-6 while Tampa's loaded roster is 1 game better is pretty funny.
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Pats whip Chargers 45-0 and are within Cam being stopped at the 1-yd line against Seattle and fumbling down there against Buffalo of being 8-4 with 8 opt-outs on D. Belichick continues to answer the question, emphatically. This roster being 6-6 while Tampa's loaded roster is 1 game better is pretty funny.
It's not a bad way of looking at it.
Watch the games too; once you get past the "names", the Pats are playing disciplined, smart football, and the Bucs are... well, not.
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You're probably right; I just have dreams of glory. :)
Anyone watch the game last night? Funny exchange between Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, where they were both gushing over Tucker, who had - to that point - made something like 76 straight field goals under 40 yards. Buck even made the joke about who would be to blame if he tanked it because of all their praise. He made the field goal attempt, but it was wiped out by a penalty then he hooked the retry. It was funny, and I think Buck was truly a little embarrassed by it. :)
Troy was REALLY harsh to the Cowboys. On more than one occasion he flat out said they were tanking it, not putting in the effort.
Troy is on every week on a sports radio station in Dallas. Tuesdays at 7:50am. He doesn't mince words and he's definitely not a homer. He's also hilarious!
Now it's hard for me to believe that the players just suck when the change is at defensive scheme and coordinator. Their "D" looks like they are playing to contain rather than attack. I think I'm going to refer to them as the Covid Cowboys..... :tdwn
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That's why to win 6 SB's you need both. Something I will never see again in my lifetime.
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You're probably right; I just have dreams of glory. :)
Anyone watch the game last night? Funny exchange between Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, where they were both gushing over Tucker, who had - to that point - made something like 76 straight field goals under 40 yards. Buck even made the joke about who would be to blame if he tanked it because of all their praise. He made the field goal attempt, but it was wiped out by a penalty then he hooked the retry. It was funny, and I think Buck was truly a little embarrassed by it. :)
Troy was REALLY harsh to the Cowboys. On more than one occasion he flat out said they were tanking it, not putting in the effort.
Troy is on every week on a sports radio station in Dallas. Tuesdays at 7:50am. He doesn't mince words and he's definitely not a homer. He's also hilarious!
Now it's hard for me to believe that the players just suck when the change is at defensive scheme and coordinator. Their "D" looks like they are playing to contain rather than attack. I think I'm going to refer to them as the Covid Cowboys..... :tdwn
There are some that don't like him, but I'm a fan.
And as I think about it, it seems like being a Cowboys QB is a precursor to being a good broadcaster (Dandy Don, Troy, Tony Romo, of whom I'm also a fan).
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You're probably right; I just have dreams of glory. :)
Anyone watch the game last night? Funny exchange between Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, where they were both gushing over Tucker, who had - to that point - made something like 76 straight field goals under 40 yards. Buck even made the joke about who would be to blame if he tanked it because of all their praise. He made the field goal attempt, but it was wiped out by a penalty then he hooked the retry. It was funny, and I think Buck was truly a little embarrassed by it. :)
Troy was REALLY harsh to the Cowboys. On more than one occasion he flat out said they were tanking it, not putting in the effort.
Troy is on every week on a sports radio station in Dallas. Tuesdays at 7:50am. He doesn't mince words and he's definitely not a homer. He's also hilarious!
Now it's hard for me to believe that the players just suck when the change is at defensive scheme and coordinator. Their "D" looks like they are playing to contain rather than attack. I think I'm going to refer to them as the Covid Cowboys..... :tdwn
There are some that don't like him, but I'm a fan.
And as I think about it, it seems like being a Cowboys QB is a precursor to being a good broadcaster (Dandy Don, Troy, Tony Romo, of whom I'm also a fan).
Dandy Don :biggrin: - that Monday night crew was one for the ages. Between the three of them they would down a gallon of vodka every Monday night until management told them to stop. :lol
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You're probably right; I just have dreams of glory. :)
Anyone watch the game last night? Funny exchange between Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, where they were both gushing over Tucker, who had - to that point - made something like 76 straight field goals under 40 yards. Buck even made the joke about who would be to blame if he tanked it because of all their praise. He made the field goal attempt, but it was wiped out by a penalty then he hooked the retry. It was funny, and I think Buck was truly a little embarrassed by it. :)
Troy was REALLY harsh to the Cowboys. On more than one occasion he flat out said they were tanking it, not putting in the effort.
Troy is on every week on a sports radio station in Dallas. Tuesdays at 7:50am. He doesn't mince words and he's definitely not a homer. He's also hilarious!
Now it's hard for me to believe that the players just suck when the change is at defensive scheme and coordinator. Their "D" looks like they are playing to contain rather than attack. I think I'm going to refer to them as the Covid Cowboys..... :tdwn
There are some that don't like him, but I'm a fan.
And as I think about it, it seems like being a Cowboys QB is a precursor to being a good broadcaster (Dandy Don, Troy, Tony Romo, of whom I'm also a fan).
Don't forget Jason Witten.
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You're probably right; I just have dreams of glory. :)
Anyone watch the game last night? Funny exchange between Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, where they were both gushing over Tucker, who had - to that point - made something like 76 straight field goals under 40 yards. Buck even made the joke about who would be to blame if he tanked it because of all their praise. He made the field goal attempt, but it was wiped out by a penalty then he hooked the retry. It was funny, and I think Buck was truly a little embarrassed by it. :)
Troy was REALLY harsh to the Cowboys. On more than one occasion he flat out said they were tanking it, not putting in the effort.
Troy is on every week on a sports radio station in Dallas. Tuesdays at 7:50am. He doesn't mince words and he's definitely not a homer. He's also hilarious!
Now it's hard for me to believe that the players just suck when the change is at defensive scheme and coordinator. Their "D" looks like they are playing to contain rather than attack. I think I'm going to refer to them as the Covid Cowboys..... :tdwn
There are some that don't like him, but I'm a fan.
And as I think about it, it seems like being a Cowboys QB is a precursor to being a good broadcaster (Dandy Don, Troy, Tony Romo, of whom I'm also a fan).
Don't forget Jason Witten.
Or Daryl Johnston, though I don't like him as much as Aikman and Romo.
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Watch the games too; once you get past the "names", the Pats are playing disciplined, smart football, and the Bucs are... well, not.
Right. Brady is seeing now how the other half lives. For as great as he has been, he had the luxury of playing on a team for 20 years that was very disciplined, not going to beat itself, and almost always did the little things right.
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Watch the games too; once you get past the "names", the Pats are playing disciplined, smart football, and the Bucs are... well, not.
Right. Brady is seeing now how the other half lives. For as great as he has been, he had the luxury of playing on a team for 20 years that was very disciplined, not going to beat itself, and almost always did the little things right.
Yep. I posted about this week one, when his receivers were quitting routes early (one resulted in a pick) and his D was committing stupid penalties. He might not have liked all the discipline in NE, but I bet he sure appreciates it now. This is the cost of going to play someplace more relaxed.
As for Bill, I'd say that NE is actually over-achieving this year, given the circumstances. Tonight is the big test of how well it's coming together, but to be honest, my money is on LAR's D over NE's QB. That money wouldn't be more than a buck or so, though. :lol
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As for Bill, I'd say that NE is actually over-achieving this year, given the circumstances. Tonight is the big test of how well it's coming together, but to be honest, my money is on LAR's D over NE's QB. That money wouldn't be more than a buck or so, though. :lol
Overachieving??
No way. 6-6 is in no way an overacheivement to this point. If they win out and end up at 10-6, then I'll concur. But to me, 9-7 was the MINIMUM expectation this year.
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Patriots/Rams under 45 tonight was my lock of the year. I can't see either team scoring more than 20, which means it'll end up 34-30.
Full disclosure: I am 30-35 in my Blazing 5 picks this year (a buddy and I pick 5 games either against the spread or on the over/under), so my lock of the year is like a fading stock. :lol :lol
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As for Bill, I'd say that NE is actually over-achieving this year, given the circumstances. Tonight is the big test of how well it's coming together, but to be honest, my money is on LAR's D over NE's QB. That money wouldn't be more than a buck or so, though. :lol
Overachieving??
No way. 6-6 is in no way an overacheivement to this point. If they win out and end up at 10-6, then I'll concur. But to me, 9-7 was the MINIMUM expectation this year.
Was that before or after the opt-outs? Or the covid inactives? Or the injuries to the O-line? I said 10-6 before the season got underway, but that quickly turned into a 6-10 when the shit really started to hit the fan.
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Was that before or after the opt-outs? Or the covid inactives? Or the injuries to the O-line? I said 10-6 before the season got underway, but that quickly turned into a 6-10 when the shit really started to hit the fan.
After the opt-outs. I know Hightower was a tough loss.
Covid inactives? The only game Cam I think missed was KC, which they were going to lose anyway even with him. Did Gilmour miss a game or two because of Covid? I don't remember.
O-Line injuries? I mean there's injuries every year, but they've had Andrews back this year and that's huge.
None of these should've prevented them from going anything less than 9-7.
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Was that before or after the opt-outs? Or the covid inactives? Or the injuries to the O-line? I said 10-6 before the season got underway, but that quickly turned into a 6-10 when the shit really started to hit the fan.
After the opt-outs. I know Hightower was a tough loss.
Covid inactives? The only game Cam I think missed was KC, which they were going to lose anyway even with him. Did Gilmour miss a game or two because of Covid? I don't remember.
O-Line injuries? I mean there's injuries every year, but they've had Andrews back this year and that's huge.
None of these should've prevented them from going anything less than 9-7.
I'd say that was optimistic. The Patriots had four meaningful opt-outs (I know Vitale hadn't even played yet, but we've seen the importance of a skilled FB for the type of game NE plays). Moreover, there were two games with O-linemen playing out of position alongside 3rd stringers. Also, I said over-achieving this year, under the circumstances. I'm not basing this on my pre-season projection, but rather some of the things they've had to contend with since this abortion of an NFL season began.
But, hey, maybe I'll back off of over-achievng and just say they're doing every bit as well as could be reasonable expected.
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Disagree Tim. El Barto is correct. The one thing I like is the youth getting playing time. It may be a benefit moving forward.
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I think COVID wrecked the Patriots games against the Broncos and 49ers as well. They barely got to practice, and that is a death knell for a Belichick team, which always relies on precision, repetition and details. How this team is 6-6 is unreal.
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I think COVID wrecked the Patriots games against the Broncos and 49ers as well. They barely got to practice, and that is a death knell for a Belichick team, which always relies on precision, repetition and details. How this team is 6-6 is unreal.
Yup, and he was the first person to whine about that.
They still should've beaten the Broncos. I expected them to lose against San Fran, so that was already a loss for me. I'm not buying it. Covid maybe made the game go from a loss to an embarrassment.
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2 plays. Oof.
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Was that before or after the opt-outs? Or the covid inactives? Or the injuries to the O-line? I said 10-6 before the season got underway, but that quickly turned into a 6-10 when the shit really started to hit the fan.
After the opt-outs. I know Hightower was a tough loss.
Covid inactives? The only game Cam I think missed was KC, which they were going to lose anyway even with him. Did Gilmour miss a game or two because of Covid? I don't remember.
O-Line injuries? I mean there's injuries every year, but they've had Andrews back this year and that's huge.
None of these should've prevented them from going anything less than 9-7.
I'd say that was optimistic. The Patriots had four meaningful opt-outs (I know Vitale hadn't even played yet, but we've seen the importance of a skilled FB for the type of game NE plays). Moreover, there were two games with O-linemen playing out of position alongside 3rd stringers. Also, I said over-achieving this year, under the circumstances. I'm not basing this on my pre-season projection, but rather some of the things they've had to contend with since this abortion of an NFL season began.
But, hey, maybe I'll back off of over-achievng and just say they're doing every bit as well as could be reasonable expected.
I think a Belichick team, for as good as he is, should've overcome some of these things. If you're saying that 9-7 was a glass half full season, that's fine. Every team has circumstances every year. Belichick is paid to overcome these things. A 9-7 record simply doesn't do it.
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With a buy one get one free sale, I cam take care of both Kingshmegland and El Barto this Christmas.
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So I can look like Danny Devito's Penguin as a Pats fan? No thank you.
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To me, that was not down by contact. Until he has control the receiver whiffed trying to touch him.
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To me, that was not down by contact. Until he has control the receiver whiffed trying to touch him.
I agree.
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And after a missed call like that Cam throws a pick 6.
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You're probably right; I just have dreams of glory. :)
Anyone watch the game last night? Funny exchange between Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, where they were both gushing over Tucker, who had - to that point - made something like 76 straight field goals under 40 yards. Buck even made the joke about who would be to blame if he tanked it because of all their praise. He made the field goal attempt, but it was wiped out by a penalty then he hooked the retry. It was funny, and I think Buck was truly a little embarrassed by it. :)
Troy was REALLY harsh to the Cowboys. On more than one occasion he flat out said they were tanking it, not putting in the effort.
I think I've heard every announcing team say stuff like that after he'd hit thirty straight. And, yeah, after finally seeing the second half earlier this evening, I wonder if Jerry Jones will ever talk to Aikman. ;) The truth hurts.
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I think COVID wrecked the Patriots games against the Broncos and 49ers as well. They barely got to practice, and that is a death knell for a Belichick team, which always relies on precision, repetition and details. How this team is 6-6 is unreal.
Yup, and he was the first person to whine about that.
They still should've beaten the Broncos. I expected them to lose against San Fran, so that was already a loss for me. I'm not buying it. Covid maybe made the game go from a loss to an embarrassment.
I think you are being a bit harsh. Opt-outs and losing weeks due to COVID are not little things that are easily overcome. If you want to bag on Belichick for not getting more talent at the skill positions, I can get on board with that, but all things considered, he has done a terrific job this season. I can't think of another coach in the NFL who would have this team at .500 this deep into the season given all they have dealt with.
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He's a great coach. I get it.
I don't know. I'm not impressed, what can I say. 6-6 is weak.
It's a me problem I guess.
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He's a great coach. I get it.
I don't know. I'm not impressed, what can I say. 6-6 is weak.
It's a me problem I guess.
Yeah, you're spoiled.
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We are. Can't disagree.
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He's a great coach. I get it.
I don't know. I'm not impressed, what can I say. 6-6 is weak.
It's a me problem I guess.
Yeah, you're spoiled.
Hah!
That's the second time I've been called spoiled on DTF in the last week. :lol
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It's a state of mind. I was talking to a co-worker about this a few weeks ago. As a Broncos fan, it sucks to see them going through this down period, especially since I am used to them always contending at a high level (7 Super Bowl appearances since I became a fan 35 years ago, with 3 wins), but it's the nature of sports. Down periods or down seasons are going to happen in pro sports for every franchise. Hell, even the Yankees went through a down period, by their standards, for most of the 80's and the early 90's.
Maybe we should all just get together and have a good laugh at the Dallas Cowboys who are living off the glory days of 25+ years ago in order to stay relevant.
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Unrelated, I've created a gofundme to pay King and Bart for a picture of them in their jumpers. :) :) :)
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Unrelated, I've created a gofundme to pay King and Bart for a picture of them in their jumpers. :) :) :)
Um..I've started a GoFundMe to stop your GoFundMe. :lol
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Every week I watch him play I think to myself "Christ, Newton's got absolutely no pocket presence." He just doesn't have a clue when people are around him.
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Unrelated, I've created a gofundme to pay King and Bart for a picture of them in their jumpers. :) :) :)
I hope you are rich. :lol
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Every week I watch him play I think to myself "Christ, Newton's got absolutely no pocket presence." He just doesn't have a clue when people are around him.
He's exasperating and infuriating all at the same time. Flashes of brilliance, but when you need him...pfffft. That 4th down in the red zone not only looked bad, it WAS bad.
So I've been picking at this all season; where is the Pats next QB? Is he on an NFL roster now, or is he a draft pick? Draft pick, we're still two years away from anything substantial. Is there a guy that can step in? Dalton is too old. Wentz is too $$$. Do the Pats ever get Watson?
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Every week I watch him play I think to myself "Christ, Newton's got absolutely no pocket presence." He just doesn't have a clue when people are around him.
He's exasperating and infuriating all at the same time. Flashes of brilliance, but when you need him...pfffft. That 4th down in the red zone not only looked bad, it WAS bad.
So I've been picking at this all season; where is the Pats next QB? Is he on an NFL roster now, or is he a draft pick? Draft pick, we're still two years away from anything substantial. Is there a guy that can step in? Dalton is too old. Wentz is too $$$. Do the Pats ever get Watson?
I think he might be playing in Detroit right now.
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I'm convinced the Pats will end up at 8-8 this season.
So I look at it like this. I can't make a Covid excuse for this team. Sorry. They were losing the KC and SF games regardless. If anyone wants to think that Belichick coached them UP to an 8-8 record I just disagree I guess.
I'd say the highly erratic QB play and the disinterested Defense in the first half of the season cost them a couple of games.
I don't buy the O Line injuries either. Then that means the whole "next man up" thing was bullshit.
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Every week I watch him play I think to myself "Christ, Newton's got absolutely no pocket presence." He just doesn't have a clue when people are around him.
He's exasperating and infuriating all at the same time. Flashes of brilliance, but when you need him...pfffft. That 4th down in the red zone not only looked bad, it WAS bad.
So I've been picking at this all season; where is the Pats next QB? Is he on an NFL roster now, or is he a draft pick? Draft pick, we're still two years away from anything substantial. Is there a guy that can step in? Dalton is too old. Wentz is too $$$. Do the Pats ever get Watson?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Jets were stupid enough to give Darnold to the Pats.
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Cam's pocket awareness is so sub par.
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Nita Strauss has been the best part of the game.
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Every week I watch him play I think to myself "Christ, Newton's got absolutely no pocket presence." He just doesn't have a clue when people are around him.
He's exasperating and infuriating all at the same time. Flashes of brilliance, but when you need him...pfffft. That 4th down in the red zone not only looked bad, it WAS bad.
So I've been picking at this all season; where is the Pats next QB? Is he on an NFL roster now, or is he a draft pick? Draft pick, we're still two years away from anything substantial. Is there a guy that can step in? Dalton is too old. Wentz is too $$$. Do the Pats ever get Watson?
I think he might be playing in Detroit right now.
That's an interesting take, right there. I wouldn't mind that.
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Well that was fun!!! ;D
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What's the consensus on McVay, Goff and the Rams? They played well last night, and NE was never in it, from the moment of the first kickoff, but other than their defense, I think they are shaky. Goff made one or two nice throws, but he didn't win that game for them, that was Akers. McVay always looks like he's about to cry or that he's about to be caught masturbating, and there's always at least one play every game I watch them where I'm like "wha?".
I feel they have a very good record, but that record does not reflect their shot at going deep in the playoffs.
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What's the consensus on McVay, Goff and the Rams? They played well last night, and NE was never in it, from the moment of the first kickoff, but other than their defense, I think they are shaky. Goff made one or two nice throws, but he didn't win that game for them, that was Akers. McVay always looks like he's about to cry or that he's about to be caught masturbating, and there's always at least one play every game I watch them where I'm like "wha?".
I feel they have a very good record, but that record does not reflect their shot at going deep in the playoffs.
Stadler, this post is indicative of the lack of respect the Rams get from the New England media. They have no respect for Goff, and disgracefully make fun of McVay for his SB pre game chat with Belichick. He probably doesn't really know Belichick and I found nothing wrong with what he said.
Who's better than the Rams in the West? Green Bay? Sure. Saints (with Brees)? Sure. But the SB team from the West will be one of those three teams.
EDIT: That's fine if that's your personal opinion. But it's also the narrative that I hear all too often up here from the media.
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What's the consensus on McVay, Goff and the Rams? They played well last night, and NE was never in it, from the moment of the first kickoff, but other than their defense, I think they are shaky. Goff made one or two nice throws, but he didn't win that game for them, that was Akers. McVay always looks like he's about to cry or that he's about to be caught masturbating, and there's always at least one play every game I watch them where I'm like "wha?".
I feel they have a very good record, but that record does not reflect their shot at going deep in the playoffs.
Stadler, this post is indicative of the lack of respect the Rams get from the New England media. They have no respect for Goff, and disgracefully make fun of McVay for his SB pre game chat with Belichick. He probably doesn't really know Belichick and I found nothing wrong with what he said.
Who's better than the Rams in the West? Green Bay? Sure. Saints (with Brees)? Sure. But the SB team from the West will be one of those three teams.
That's probably true. Is that because the Rams are GOOD, or because the NFC drops off pretty sharply after the first five teams?
I'm not saying they would, or that I'd bet on it, but the FEELING is, in playoff time, Seattle is a better pick, as are - healthy - the 49ers (who beat the Rams twice this year). I don't know; I'm not arguing, I'm honestly asking. In my Pick'em I think I've gotten the Rams wrong more than any other team except the Cardinals and the Texans.
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Bill did not have that team prepared. Rams were ready to brawl.
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Bill did not have that team prepared. Rams were ready to brawl.
That's funny considering Bill's comments about having an advantage over the Rams by staying in LA, while the Rams had to travel.
Let's face it. The Pats are mediocre, especially on Offense.
@ Stadler.. I think the Rams are pretty good. No need to discredit them. It is what it is, right? And they're 9-4. They have home games left against Arizona and the Jets (WINS) and a road game in Seattle, who they beat in LA earlier in the season. Chalking that game up as a loss, that puts them at 11-5. Yes they lost both games to SF, so a healthy SF would likely stand in the way, but the Rams are "in the mix" anyway you slice it. (Asylum reference :gene:)
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The D though, is who did not come to play. We already knew the offensive shortcomings.
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The D though, is who did not come to play. We already knew the offensive shortcomings.
They only gave up 17 points. They did their part. The O gave them no help.
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The D though, is who did not come to play. We already knew the offensive shortcomings.
They only gave up 17 points. They did their part. The O gave them no help.
Still not good enough. You and i know this offense is sub par so for them to win these games this year, the D need to carry the team.
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The D though, is who did not come to play. We already knew the offensive shortcomings.
They only gave up 17 points. They did their part. The O gave them no help.
Still not good enough. You and i know this offense is sub par so for them to win these games this year, the D need to carry the team.
There's a difference between being not good enough and not coming to play.
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Right but we are talking this year. we know that the offense is sub par and will not improve. We know the defense is better and has carried the team. So if the D is off, they will not win. That happened many years in the opposite for the Pats. The offense could not have a bad game of they would not win. No balance.
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The D though, is who did not come to play. We already knew the offensive shortcomings.
They only gave up 17 points. They did their part. The O gave them no help.
Still not good enough. You and i know this offense is sub par so for them to win these games this year, the D need to carry the team.
There's a difference between being not good enough and not coming to play.
I respectively disagree - The Cowboys are able to do both at the same time. And if I sound bitter - I AM! :tdwn
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I disagree with damn near everything in the last 10 posts, right down to the Packers being the best team in the NFC W.
The Rams have an excellent D, and historically you don't need an elite offense to go along with that. Goff throws too many picks, and I'm not sold on their run game (Joe might be able to run for 170 against the inconsistent NE run D). However, these are things that can be addressed. I think their offense, barring the TOs, is more than adequate to compete at a high level. They're certainly a better team than Sea and SF. The Saints are going to wipe the floor with them, though, should it come to that.
Preparation didn't factor into the game last night for NE. They did what they were able to do and they didn't make many stupid mistakes. Their D held them to 16, and you should be able to win games like that. NE's problem was the same as it has been. They're entirely one dimensional with Cam at QB. While Cam offers provides a massive boost in the run game, you know he's not going to throw for more than 150 and he'll probably cough up at least 1 pick, and probably 2. Moreover, they're entirely too predictable. If NE has a 4-goal, anybody want to be on what the play call is? Now that the season's over it's time to give Stidham 3 starts and see what he does.
And no, it wasn't fun.
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I'm with you, Barto. I don't trust Goff, but the Rams are loaded everywhere else and are very well coached. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see them go on a run and make it back to the SB.
The Patriots D is the only reason they had a chance last night.
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What's the consensus on McVay, Goff and the Rams? They played well last night, and NE was never in it, from the moment of the first kickoff, but other than their defense, I think they are shaky. Goff made one or two nice throws, but he didn't win that game for them, that was Akers. McVay always looks like he's about to cry or that he's about to be caught masturbating, and there's always at least one play every game I watch them where I'm like "wha?".
I feel they have a very good record, but that record does not reflect their shot at going deep in the playoffs.
Us Rams fans are also wanting to see Goff shine every game. That being said, we've been waiting for a run game performance like that all year. I'm 100% OK with the offensive game plan we had yesterday. It shows McVay's growth, adapting and moving aways from the 11 Personnel he's been so locked into 17'-19'. Not sure what you have against McVay, but he's the best HC we've had since Vermeil. Plus he's got a smokin hot fiance!
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Yeah, McVay has established himself as one of the best coaches in the NFL. He took over a team that had averaged 5 wins a season over their previous 10 seasons and has gone 42-19 since, and without the luxury of an elite QB, which can sometimes inflate a coach's record and make them look better than they really are (see: Mike McCarthy).
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I disagree with damn near everything in the last 10 posts, right down to the Packers being the best team in the NFC W.
The Rams have an excellent D, and historically you don't need an elite offense to go along with that. Goff throws too many picks, and I'm not sold on their run game (Joe might be able to run for 170 against the inconsistent NE run D). However, these are things that can be addressed. I think their offense, barring the TOs, is more than adequate to compete at a high level. They're certainly a better team than Sea and SF. The Saints are going to wipe the floor with them, though, should it come to that.
Preparation didn't factor into the game last night for NE. They did what they were able to do and they didn't make many stupid mistakes. Their D held them to 16, and you should be able to win games like that. NE's problem was the same as it has been. They're entirely one dimensional with Cam at QB. While Cam offers provides a massive boost in the run game, you know he's not going to throw for more than 150 and he'll probably cough up at least 1 pick, and probably 2. Moreover, they're entirely too predictable. If NE has a 4-goal, anybody want to be on what the play call is? Now that the season's over it's time to give Stidham 3 starts and see what he does.
And no, it wasn't fun.
What I am saying is because how poor the Offense is, the D had to be on their game the whole game. Early on, they were not. Once that happens the Pats offense isn't built to come back in games. Yes, Cam is the root of the offensive issues. Which means the D needs to be sharp early. They were not and it was game over early.
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I just don't see that as a preparation thing. "Didn't come prepared to play" is thrown about pretty often with the Patriots, and sometimes it's true. Not always, though, and in this case they were just outmatched.
Bill's committed to Cam for the season, and I really can't figure that out. They're out of the playoffs now. (Honestly, the already were, and even if they managed to sneak in, they were one and done anyway.) At this point losing helps them, and even more-so does gathering intel. The easy read on this is that Stidham just isn't a starter, but going into this season he was the only guy they were really relying on. I just don't get it. Nor do I get going out and looking ugly with Cam under center.
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If a team comes out flat El Barto who do you blame? It's on the coach. The players were not ready to execute. Sure Bill had the X's & O's right but there is more to coaching than that. They were just flat. It happens sometimes.
remember in 2009 the sideline chat with Brady? "I just can't get this team to play the way we need to play." Same here.
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EDIT: I just repeated El Barto, so I deleted it.
I'm with you on the Cam thing, Bart; it makes no sense. He's not helping his receivers by sticking with such a one-dimensional offense. He's not helping his line by having Cam free-wheeling in the backfield. I'm cool with writing off a season for the greater good, but we don't seem to be doing even that.
And imagine what this would have looked like if Josh bailed along with Tom (I don't like Josh as a head coach, but he's rock star as an OC).
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I just thought they came out flat. As usual they right the ship but at that point with this offense, they are put in a position that the offense can't handle.
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If a team comes out flat El Barto who do you blame? It's on the coach. The players were not ready to execute. Sure Bill had the X's & O's right but there is more to coaching than that. They were just flat. It happens sometimes.
remember in 2009 the sideline chat with Brady? "I just can't get this team to play the way we need to play." Same here.
I haven't decided yet which it is, but there IS a difference between "not being prepared" and simply being overmatched. I'm not sold on Goff, but they have weapons. Cupp is a fantastic receiver. Again, I'm not sure I'm ready to commit to one or the other, but I think there's just as good an argument that they were prepared but overmatched.
To me, being unprepared to play means missing coverage assignments. Getting stupid penalties because you blow your line up correctly. Bungling handoffs because your QB and HB weren't on the same page. I didn't see that last night. I just saw an average team get beaten by a pretty good team. There's a reason I picked LAR to win last night. Their stout D was going to be to much for NE's weak QB play. NE didn't really stand a chance, no matter how prepared they were.
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I disagree with damn near everything in the last 10 posts, right down to the Packers being the best team in the NFC W.
Well when I said West, I mean NFC, and I didn't mean to imply that they're the best team in the NFC. But other than the Packers, the Saints, or the Rams, do you see anyone else going to the SB from the NFC? If not, then we're in agreement.
I just don't see that as a preparation thing. "Didn't come prepared to play" is thrown about pretty often with the Patriots, and sometimes it's true. Not always, though, and in this case they were just outmatched.
We're also in agreement here as well, although I've never felt they were unprepared.
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How about mentally unprepared. They had to win out to have a chance to make the playoff and they came out flat. Those one on one plays in the trenches. The Pats D is allowing 124 yards per game. The Rams were walking through big holes last night. 25 yards off the bat.
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How about mentally unprepared. They had to win out to have a chance to make the playoff and they came out flat. Those one on one plays in the trenches. The Pats D is allowing 124 yards per game. The Rams were walking through big holes last night. 25 yards off the bat.
Their O and D lines both got manhandled last night. They're simply not as good as the Rams.
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How about mentally unprepared. They had to win out to have a chance to make the playoff and they came out flat. Those one on one plays in the trenches. The Pats D is allowing 124 yards per game. The Rams were walking through big holes last night. 25 yards off the bat.
Their O and D lines both got manhandled last night. They're simply not as good as the Rams.
The O line is understood. Their D is great. Did you expect the Rams to run like they did last night? I didn't. Rams ran for 186. Pats average giving up 124.
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How about mentally unprepared. They had to win out to have a chance to make the playoff and they came out flat. Those one on one plays in the trenches. The Pats D is allowing 124 yards per game. The Rams were walking through big holes last night. 25 yards off the bat.
Their O and D lines both got manhandled last night. They're simply not as good as the Rams.
The O line is understood. Their D is great. Did you expect the Rams to run like they did last night? I didn't. Rams ran for 186. Pats average giving up 124.
Which is what, 10th worst in the NFL, whereas the Rams have a Top 10 Rushing offense. It shouldn't have been a huge surprise that the Rams ran on them.
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Rams average 4.2. That's good. Not mindblowing.
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Rams average 4.2. That's good. Not mindblowing.
And NE gives up 4.4. Both are average, but Rams are at almost 129 ypg. That's above average.
Also, the 186 they gave up last night, well in TWO other games this year, they actually gave up more.
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How about mentally unprepared. They had to win out to have a chance to make the playoff and they came out flat. Those one on one plays in the trenches. The Pats D is allowing 124 yards per game. The Rams were walking through big holes last night. 25 yards off the bat.
If I put a gun to your head and tell you to toss tails ten times in a row you're probably going to get shot. Necessity doesn't guarantee success. And 124 yds per game is a pretty bad rushing D. That necessarily means teams are walking through holes.
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Listen, I'm not saying it's only the coaching staff. Of course players are responsible but staffs do have bad games as well.
When the Pats beat LA in 2018 for ring 6. It was the master outsmarted the young gun. So why can't we say the opposite? It's ok to admit staffs have bad games and it affect the players. Especially teams who need every ounce to get into the playoffs like the Pats did this year. When you come out that flat when you have to win out, some blame has to go to the head coach.
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Listen, I'm not saying it's only the coaching staff. Of course players are responsible but staffs do have bad games as well.
When the Pats beat LA in 2018 for ring 6. It was the master outsmarted the young gun. So why can't we say the opposite? It's ok to admit staffs have bad games and it affect the players. Especially teams who need every ounce to get into the playoffs like the Pats did this year. When you come out that flat when you have to win out, some blame has to go to the head coach.
I think the problem is that, because he's the GOAT, everything seems to come down to Belichick, and that's not really how it works. Obviously he's the key component of this franchise, but that doesn't mean that every win and every loss is attributable to him.
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And that's understandable but whenever a team plays that poorly early, you have to question the coaching staff.
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I see where you are going, King, and certainly, if you count "well, he put Cam on the field", it's Bill's fault. But he didn't throw that shitty pick-6, he didn't stand there behind the line of scrimmage like a deer in headlights on that fourth and whatever, and he CERTAINLY didn't jump off-sides to give the Rams first and goal at the 2.
I've been saying for years that Cam is a one-trick pony, and he is. You can only go so far with duct tape and baling wire, and Bill's done that. That game could easily have been 45-3.
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I'm not stating that it's the coaching staffs fault they loss, but the players were not ready to play. Rams had revenge on their mind all week. The are fighting for the division. They came ready. Our team did not so that is on the staff and the players but the staff get some of the blame pie.
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I don't agree that the team was not ready to play. They just don't have the talent the Rams do, and that was evident from the start. Given the talent disparity and how well coached the Rams are, that game would have been 48-0 if the Patriots weren't ready to play.
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That's why I said they corrected it but who puts the gameplan in for the 1st half? Sure they adjusted but what they had ready to go wasn't as good as what LA's gameplan was so they were outcoached.
Add outplayed lead to the big lead.
They can play well against KC but not LA?
You all want to blame the players but not the coaching staff. I'm saying both.
I'm also saying just this game for the coaching staff. How about the 4 plays that ran at the goalie? How'd that go? The Rams knew it was an option play. Cam had no chance on that 4th down.
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Boy, you sure are piling on when Belichick (seemingly) has a bad game. Where were you last Sunday when he put on a clinic against the Chargers? Don't tell me, let me guess: trying on your new Tom Brady underoos, right? :P
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I always pine for Brady. I think you know I was not happy with him leaving. It's ok to say they had a bad gameplan with a team that cannot afford a poor gameplan. The end result is the bad start and never getting back in a game.
How about Eluemunor all by his lonesome with Donald. No 2 guys blocking the best defensive linemen in the league?
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I am aware. ;)
I think BB the GM has failed BB the coach this year to some extent, opt-outs and COVID notwithstanding. Their skill position players are dreadful, even worse than last year. Brady could have stayed and they'd still be lucky to be better than 6-7 right now.
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Oh definitely. He's had some bad patches of drafting. We are talking 4 year gaps but I can't complain. 19 years missing the playoffs twice. Who am I to complain.
Well, at least for one game I can. :lol
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I don't get this idea of the Rams out for revenge. Winning last night doesn't get them a ring or change the result of the Super Bowl. It was simply a win in a regular season game. If they used it as motivation to get up for the game, more power to 'em, but that is not revenge.
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I don't either but they talked about it after the game.
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Yeah, Sean had some payback in the back of his mind. After being taken to the woodshed by BB in the SB. He stated it in his presser on Friday. It wasn't the driving force, but it's impossible to forget '18. I remember back after the Rams beat the Titans, when we saw them next you could tell they remembered... :lol
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Yeah, Sean had some payback in the back of his mind. After being taken to the woodshed by BB in the SB. He stated it in his presser on Friday. It wasn't the driving force, but it's impossible to forget '18. I remember back after the Rams beat the Titans, when we saw them next you could tell they remembered... :lol
This isn't McVay Hate, just a lot of Bill Love, but hell, if they want "revenge", fair enough. I'll take my Super Bowl ring, and they can have the regular season win in what is at best termed a 'transition year'. Sounds fair to me! :) :) :) :)
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I am curious to see how the Chiefs attempt to repeat goes. Their defense quietly got better as the season went on last year, which was huge in their run to winning it all, but this year their defense is quietly declining as the season progresses. As great as that offense is, you need to be able to make stops on defense.
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How long does Andy Reid coach as well?
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How long does Andy Reid coach as well?
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but I can't see him stepping away any time soon unless his health becomes an issue. When you are an offensive guru like Reid and your QB is now Patrick Mahomes, you want to ride that train as long as you can. Reid is now not only coaching for titles, but for legacy. He is now 6th all-time in wins (and has a better W/L percentage all-time than Hall of Famers like Landry, Noll, Cowher and Bill Walsh), and if he can add another Super Bowl win or two, his status as an all-time great coach will be pretty darn high.
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That was my thought as well. I don't even know how old he is.
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I'm just wondering when the 'Belichck pulling down Lynn's pants again' thread title is going to change after last Monday's woop ass :D
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Return of the Rams? :lol
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I'll update it after tomorrow's games, most likely.
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Sitting here about to watch my Cowboys wondering why the fuck I put myself through this shit! :tdwn
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Sitting watching the Giants, and decided to just check on the Chiefs/Dolphins during a commercial.
I made it about 3:00 of game time before vomiting in my Ruffles and going back to the Giants game. I can tell you what Nantz thinks of the Chiefs chances of repeating (as well as Reid's legacy) but I'd be repeating myself unnecessarily.
Dolphins lookin' pretty good, nonetheless. First time I've seen them.
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Jeez, this is why the Chiefs are so scary. The Dolphins picked off Mahomes twice in the 1st quarter and dominated the early going, yet just like that it is now 28-10 KC.
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Can't make mistakes and can't take the foot off the pedal when playing KC.
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Well - the Cowboys won in an epic show down! :tdwn
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Jeez, this is why the Chiefs are so scary. The Dolphins picked off Mahomes twice in the 1st quarter and dominated the early going, yet just like that it is now 28-10 KC.
They are scary. But I’m predicting a Packer win over the Chiefs in the super bowl. Everyone’s talking about Mahomes but this game shows he’s not unstoppable.
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Jeez, this is why the Chiefs are so scary. The Dolphins picked off Mahomes twice in the 1st quarter and dominated the early going, yet just like that it is now 28-10 KC.
They are scary. But I’m predicting a Packer win over the Chiefs in the super bowl. Everyone’s talking about Mahomes but this game shows he’s not unstoppable.
I was just saying that while the Chiefs might be unstoppable as far as the AFC playoff field is concerned, the Packers and Saints with Drew Brees could beat them. A lot of people thought I was crazy, but one thing that Mahomes has struggled with is the one thing he can’t control: an elite QB on the other side of the field. Like all QBs, even the best ones, he will have pedestrian games, but that doesn’t matter if the opposing offense isn’t very good. Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees however are among the greatest of all time, and Mahomes can’t afford to be anything other than great against them.
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Sitting watching the Giants, and decided to just check on the Chiefs/Dolphins during a commercial.
I made it about 3:00 of game time before vomiting in my Ruffles and going back to the Giants game. I can tell you what Nantz thinks of the Chiefs chances of repeating (as well as Reid's legacy) but I'd be repeating myself unnecessarily.
Dolphins lookin' pretty good, nonetheless. First time I've seen them.
Watched with a friend out in the garage, and we had D/T playing in the background. And he's older than I am!
I refuse to watch any game with the volume above '1' unless the wife is watching with me. I'd like to, but.....I'd need an arsenal of rubber bricks to throw at the tube.
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The one plus side to my favorite team being terrible is that I can watch football throughout the league without caring what implications it has on my team (except for the Jaguars who I really need to win a game). For example, even though the Bills are in the Jets division, I’m rooting for them tonight because I think it would be awesome for the Browns to win the AFC North after all of these years of futility, and the Steelers need to lose tonight for that to be able to happen. Of course it’s always more fun when your team is a playoff contender, but they haven’t been for years, and at least this year I can enjoy NFL football instead of being heartbroken by Jets football.
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The Bills' O-Line..
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The Bills' O-Line..
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They still got the W though. At the end of the day that's all that matters. The game was ugly tonight though that's for sure. It reminded me a little of the mid-00's Ravens/Steelers bouts: a sloppy defensive affair in the rain. The Bills are working their asses off right now to prove that they're not just a playoff contender because Brady left their division, while the Steelers are doing everything in their power to ruin their best start in franchise history.
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Definitely impressed with Josh Allen. He was running for his life most of the game but was pretty unflappable.
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Hilarious skit on SNL this weekend; it was an ad for a sports show about the Jets, claiming them to be the greatest team of all time, but using Trump's election nonsense to make the case. "We have affidavits from 5,000 Jets fans that PROVE they crushed the Dolphins this last weekend!" Not a direct quote but stuff like that. It was funny.
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Definitely impressed with Josh Allen. He was running for his life most of the game but was pretty unflappable.
Dude's got one helluva arm. The TD pass he threw back across his body to the middle of the field had some real velocity to it. Mahomes gets them there, and he's pretty accurate pulling that, but Allen threw a really pretty pass back to midfield falling out of bounds.
Pittsburgh's got something going on. I wouldn't say that they're in disarray, but they're not right. I picked Buffalo last night, not because of the loss last week, but because they struggled against a really weak Ravens team the week before, and they're clearly having issues somewhere.
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Only tangentially NFL-related...
As the 10:00 games were ending yesterday, I checked my guide to see which network would be showing a 1:00 game. I don't remember which it was, but the one that didn't have an afternoon game was airing something called "Major League Fishing"!
I didn't flip it on, but are you kidding me?! That's got to be more boring than televised golf...or soccer.
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Man, the Giants were a huge disappointment yesterday. I don't know why they didn't use the same gameplan against the seahawks which is run and let the defense do the work. The offense was so bad it kept putting the D in terrible field position and they could only hold up for so long before getting tired. The run game was working, why try to force passes when Daniel Jones looked like he never played an NFL game before. I know the team isn't anything good, but after improving week after week, they took a major step back yesterday. It was just difficult to watch.
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I'm with you, Cram; I had a really good feeling about the intangibles of the Giants; good coaching, good gameplanning, good motivation, and that's very "Patriots". Do all that you can before hand so that the games come down to execution. And that's not really what happened yesterday. They seemed flat, they seemed to be lacking in discipline, and they seemed to be out of sorts. I could have accepted if they just flat out got beat by a better team in a good hardnosed game, but that's not really what happened. The Cards haven't been playing well lately, I've already commented on Kingsbury as a coach; I thought that could have been a signature game for the Giants even if they didn't play lights out, and it was anything but.
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The NFC East is interesting this year if for no other reason than it looks like none of the four teams want to win it. Washington is the only team that looks like it has some fight left in the tank, but that’s starting to fade as well. The fact that the Cowboys aren’t eliminated from playoff contention despite also being in position for the sixth overall pick is crazy. I thought the Giants were starting to get it together then they fell flat against Arizona. The Eagles might end up taking the division in the end, but no matter which one of the four teams secures the fourth seed, I have no faith in any of them to do much in the playoffs, especially if Tampa ends up getting the fifth seed.
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The NFC East is interesting this year if for no other reason than it looks like none of the four teams want to win it. Washington is the only team that looks like it has some fight left in the tank, but that’s starting to fade as well. The fact that the Cowboys aren’t eliminated from playoff contention despite also being in position for the sixth overall pick is crazy. I thought the Giants were starting to get it together then they fell flat against Arizona. The Eagles might end up taking the division in the end, but no matter which one of the four teams secures the fourth seed, I have no faith in any of them to do much in the playoffs, especially if Tampa ends up getting the fifth seed.
Yea, none of those teams will do damage in the playoffs, I just want my team to make it and have the opportunity. It has happened before when the losing record team wins the first round game in the playoffs. Although, I'm not sure how much home field advantage matters this year.
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Would love nothing more than for the week 17 game between Washington and Philly to be for the division. We shall see if it comes to fruition.
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By all accounts, the Eagles looked like a totally different team yesterday, which tells me that Wentz has lost the locker room. No clue if Hurts will be good or not, but it feels like Philly almost has to move on from Wentz in 2021.
Packers now control their destiny in trying to get the 1 seed. Same for the Chiefs.
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Strong opening drive.
I've mentioned this before, but you don't hear the MNF crew getting slagged this year. I think Steve Levy, Brian Griese, and Louis Reddick have been excellent in their roles. Levy shows excitement but doesn't try and oversell the game. Griese and Reddick definitely know what the hell they're talking about, but they don't try and show you how smart they are.
This is a good team.
And I respect Levy for going gray gracefully.
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Yeah, this MNF crew is mostly fine. No complains here.
Ravens look like a sleeping giant. Most considered them and the Chiefs the two top AFC contenders coming into the season, and if the Ravens sneak in as one of the last wild cards, they could wreak havoc.
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Wow.
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Explosive 4th Q for Lamar Jackson.
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Balt was better off letting Cleveland score quickly. I like Jackson's chances.
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Game of the season right here. I have been skeptical of Mayfield, and he hadn't done a lot to carry the team for most of 2020, but he has been fantastic the last two games.
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Even the final play was fun. :tup
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Wildly entertaining game for sure.
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Despite the loss, I feel comfortable calling Cleveland a top team in the AFC. They have a lot of fight in them, and if they make the playoffs (they still control their own postseason destiny) they could be a real challenge for whoever faces them.
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Despite the loss, I feel comfortable calling Cleveland a top team in the AFC. They have a lot of fight in them, and if they make the playoffs (they still control their own postseason destiny) they could be a real challenge for whoever faces them.
If they were to meet again in the playoffs I'd bet on Cleveland whipping Baltimore's ass soundly. They're a more rounded team and they're playing with a lot of heart.
Also, F-Zero was awesome.
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Despite the loss, I feel comfortable calling Cleveland a top team in the AFC. They have a lot of fight in them, and if they make the playoffs (they still control their own postseason destiny) they could be a real challenge for whoever faces them.
If they were to meet again in the playoffs I'd bet on Cleveland whipping Baltimore's ass soundly. They're a more rounded team and they're playing with a lot of heart.
Also, F-Zero was awesome.
It’s my all time favorite video game.
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Did MNF do something involving F-Zero? I didn't watch the game.
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I thought that was a great, great football game. I was rooting for Cleveland, but I'm a fan of Jackson, so I had no problem with how it ended.
I will say, that was a difference between great coaching (Stefanski) and world class coaching (Harbaugh). The Browns played a fantastic game, but they had a couple... I won't say "lapses", but that made the difference. That last 2:00 minutes of the first half; if Mayfied - who I like and who played very well - could have been more judicial with the clock. Baltimore should not have touched the football during that sequence, but they did. It's the little things when you get to that level of football.
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Did MNF do something involving F-Zero? I didn't watch the game.
He’s referencing my avatar.
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Cleveland needs to invest heavily in the D in the offseason, especially in a coach who can teach the fundamentals of tackling. The Ravens final drive stalls and they go to OT if anyone in the back seven could make a good tackle. Then again, considering the entire starting secondary was out, maybe they were gassed. Plus, how do you not game plan for Lamar Jackson running? Having a spy or scheming for containment would have been a good idea.
That said, they looked good again on offense. Baker balled out, as did Chubb and Hunt. It looks like Baker is really starting to find his groove in the offense, and the Browns are showing they can score in bunches. It's just so nice to see the Browns field a competitive, well-coached team. AFC North is going to be fun to watch for the next while, that's for sure.
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Win or lose, both teams should be proud of that showing last night. That's the way every game should be played.
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I’ve seen enough Browns blunders throughout the years against the Ravens (hell, against anyone) that, no matter how the game has gone, they’ll revert back to the ‘same old Browns’. I watched almost all of their win against the Titans, the game last night, and this is a very good team on the rise. Both teams were dealing with injuries and C19 (and lack of stamina from it). Lamar said he felt tired of last week, after having slept most of ten days with the virus. Thought McSorley was going to lead the Ravens to a winning FG, and then a legendary play was made. Kudos to Mayfield and team for picking apart the Ravens depleted secondary and gassed DL.
Pittsburgh is dealing with the same issues now (no available OL on the bench at the end of the Bills game). I was so proud of the effort the available Ravens put forth against the Steelers two weeks ago. They are still on the outside looking in, and often ‘the’ most entertaining game of the year doesn’t translate very well for either team at the end. That said, ‘what an exhausting frickin’ game!
(just rewatched the second half with the wife, who zonked out before halftime. I got goosebumps on the 4th down TD and then Tucker’s FG. I’m worn out again, and grateful I don’t gamble when it comes to point spreads...the line was 3 1/2!!!! )
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https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/12/15/22176011/lamar-jackson-ravens-browns-poop-cramps-paul-pierce
I swear I almost came on here last night to write the same thing. That's the walk of a man whose bowels are about to unleash. :)
(And I'm not mocking; although I wanted the Browns to win, I'm a Lamar Jackson fan.)
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When I saw "cramping" the first thing I thought was "muscles or stomach?" However, I think he was pretty clear that he'd been trying to get some salt in him, so it's certainly possible he ran back to get an IV.
Also, expect a tweet from Larry Izzo calling him a pussy.
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You're telling me I should be following Izzo? :lol
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Win or lose, both teams should be proud of that showing last night. That's the way every game should be played.
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Game of the year for sure.
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Win or lose, both teams should be proud of that showing last night. That's the way every game should be played.
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Game of the year for sure.
Yep, so far.
When I saw "cramping" the first thing I thought was "muscles or stomach?" However, I think he was pretty clear that he'd been trying to get some salt in him, so it's certainly possible he ran back to get an IV.
Also, expect a tweet from Larry Izzo calling him a pussy.
I thought it was rather impressive the way he came out of the locker room and threw that TD pass on 4th and long. That was badass!
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Best thread title ever. :clap:
I thought it was rather impressive the way he came out of the locker room and threw that TD pass on 4th and long. That was badass!
I think every person that watched the game thought it was badass. If you're referring to Izzo calling him a pussy, that's a different thing altogether. :lol
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Best thread title ever. :clap:
Hehe, too easy.
I am stunned anyone could watch that last night and think that wasn't the issue. That clip of him trying to get into the locker room said it all. No one does a fast walk/half run while moving like that unless they are clenching big time and trying like hell to NOT poop their pants. Seriously.
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Glorious Kev. Lol
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Did MNF do something involving F-Zero? I didn't watch the game.
He’s referencing my avatar.
Lol. Astounding environmental awareness on my part.
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In all seriousness, Lamar's COVID was symptomatic, and diarrhea is one of the symptoms. Now, we're supposedly past his illness period, but who knows.
That's one of those things you never really think of; I imagine there has to be at least one time in the history of the NFL that someone got hit so hard they drew mud.
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In all seriousness, Lamar's COVID was symptomatic, and diarrhea is one of the symptoms. Now, we're supposedly past his illness period, but who knows.
That's one of those things you never really think of; I imagine there has to be at least one time in the history of the NFL that someone got hit so hard they drew mud.
Lamar took the Browns to the Super Bowl, as it were.
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In all seriousness, Lamar's COVID was symptomatic, and diarrhea is one of the symptoms. Now, we're supposedly past his illness period, but who knows.
That's one of those things you never really think of; I imagine there has to be at least one time in the history of the NFL that someone got hit so hard they drew mud.
In Monday Night's case it was "Brown" water. :lol :rollin :lol
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GG
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That last two minutes was UGLY.
"You win it."
"No, you win it."
"No, YOU win it."
"C'mon, Anthony, YOU win it."
"Nope, Jon, it's all yours."
WTF.
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No shit. The biggest head scratcher to me was the Raiders with a 1st & goal inside the 5 YL and can't punch it in for the win in OT. Horrible play calling. JFC!!
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So it looks like Sean Payton was pulling a Belichick move this week since the latest news is that Brees will start. Should be a great game, and a possible preview of what should have been the Super Bowl matchup 2 years ago in a fair universe.
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I’m so sick of hearing about all the “weapons” and support Mahomes has compared to Rodgers. I’d rank them thusly:
Davante Adams
Tyreek Hill
Travis Kelce
Aaron Jones
2 great weapons apiece, and then each have some fair to good options. Sammy Watkins barely gets on the field. Bell is washed. Lazard and Scandling are about equal to Hardman and Robinson. Jamal Williams is as good as CEH. Green Bay’s O-Line is much healthier and they have a better defense. Matt Lefleur is great at running offense just like Reid. Other QBs, like Brady, have more weapons than Mahomes. The fact is that advanced stats show Mahomes is clearly superior to Rodgers and should be the MVP.
They say this same shit to try to discredit Roethlisberger, “the Steelers always draft great receivers”. Really? Who else besides AB has been great the last 10 years? Ju-Ju has had one good year. Everyone else has been a bust or a JAG except Claypool where it’s too soon to tell.
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Do not put LeFleur on the same level as Reid in running an offense. It is not close. The Titans were a clown show on offense the one year LaFleur was there and got to actually call plays. Reid has a 20-year history of being a great play caller regardless of who his QB is and what talent he has on offense.
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Rodgers should be the MVP. The end.
Do not put LeFleur on the same level as Reid in running an offense. It is not close. The Titans were a clown show on offense the one year LaFleur was there and got to actually call plays. Reid has a 20-year history of being a great play caller regardless of who his QB is and what talent he has on offense.
I mean that only comes with experience, right? Reid def has the upper hand there. But Rodgers works so much better in LeFleurs offense than he did with McCarthy in the last 5 years. He has the potential to be at Reid’s level in a few more seasons.
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Do not put LeFleur on the same level as Reid in running an offense. It is not close. The Titans were a clown show on offense the one year LaFleur was there and got to actually call plays. Reid has a 20-year history of being a great play caller regardless of who his QB is and what talent he has on offense.
I mean that only comes with experience, right? Reid def has the upper hand there. But Rodgers works so much better in LeFleurs offense than he did with McCarthy in the last 5 years. He has the potential to be at Reid’s level in a few more seasons.
True. he could certainly get there, but he has a loooooong way to go. I'd be curious to see how LaFleur does if Rodgers got hurt and missed a few games. We saw how clueless McCarthy was nearly every time Rodgers missed time. On the flip side, Mahomes went down last year for a brief spell, and in the two games without him, Andy Reid, with Matt freaking Moore at QB, got 50 points out of the offense and a 1-1 record (a narrow loss to the 13-3 Packers, a win over the 10-6 Vikings). Coaching like that makes a massive difference.
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Meanwhile, did anyone else get a good laugh the other day when Randy Moss called himself the greatest WR ever? I get that to be that great you have to have a big ego, but let's get serious. Jerry Rice not only is the greatest WR by a huge margin, but he also never quit on a team like Moss did several times (hell, he quit on multiple teams in the same season once! :lol). To me, "I play when I want to play" is Randy Moss in a nutshell. I remember an article about him when he was still in his prime where it was pretty well know amongst cornerbacks in the league that if Moss did not get his early, he would shut it down for the day. He was not a player who would have a quiet first half and then explode in the second. If he wasn't involved early, 99% of the time he was shutting it down.
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Which is especially bad with WR; probably more than any other position (that touches the ball) a WR can impact plays significantly even if they never touch the ball (i.e. drawing double teams, etc.). That's partly - PARTLY - why Gronk is such a weapon. You can't ignore him. Moss being a part time player (and I agree with that) gives the defensive secondary an advantage.
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Meanwhile, did anyone else get a good laugh the other day when Randy Moss called himself the greatest WR ever? I get that to be that great you have to have a big ego, but let's get serious. Jerry Rice not only is the greatest WR by a huge margin, but he also never quit on a team like Moss did several times (hell, he quit on multiple teams in the same season once! :lol). To me, "I play when I want to play" is Randy Moss in a nutshell. I remember an article about him when he was still in his prime where it was pretty well know amongst cornerbacks in the league that if Moss did not get his early, he would shut it down for the day. He was not a player who would have a quiet first half and then explode in the second. If he wasn't involved early, 99% of the time he was shutting it down.
When I read this I thought that he was absolutely right and absolutely wrong at the same time. You're of course correct about his flaws. If I were a GM I'd take Rice every day of the week. At the same time I don't remember Rice being as dominant as Moss was. Moss was the rare receiver that could just take over a game and beat you himself. Rice could never be taken out of game, but he could be slowed down with an elite corner or double coverage. Moss was always open.
edit: Oh, and he did make a valid point. Imagine Moss's numbers if he spent 14 years catching balls from Montana and Young exclusively.
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I'm not a fan, both from his playing days and from the off the field stuff (and no, I'm not referring to the dog stuff, but that too), but I've been pleasantly surprised by the depth of Michael Vick's insight on the Fox pregame.
As a general question, do the analysts prepare their own material or do they parrot what experts come up with? I think Howie and Terry do their own, and they're very good at it (I dig both of them). I'm sure that Cowher and Johnson (Jimmy) do their own. Tony Gonzalez and Michael Strahan are doing their own. But are any of these guys reading cue cards or are they given three minutes and told to "bring something to the table"?
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Meanwhile, did anyone else get a good laugh the other day when Randy Moss called himself the greatest WR ever? I get that to be that great you have to have a big ego, but let's get serious. Jerry Rice not only is the greatest WR by a huge margin, but he also never quit on a team like Moss did several times (hell, he quit on multiple teams in the same season once! :lol). To me, "I play when I want to play" is Randy Moss in a nutshell. I remember an article about him when he was still in his prime where it was pretty well know amongst cornerbacks in the league that if Moss did not get his early, he would shut it down for the day. He was not a player who would have a quiet first half and then explode in the second. If he wasn't involved early, 99% of the time he was shutting it down.
When I read this I thought that he was absolutely right and absolutely wrong at the same time. You're of course correct about his flaws. If I were a GM I'd take Rice every day of the week. At the same time I don't remember Rice being as dominant as Moss was. Moss was the rare receiver that could just take over a game and beat you himself. Rice could never be taken out of game, but he could be slowed down with an elite corner or double coverage. Moss was always open.
edit: Oh, and he did make a valid point. Imagine Moss's numbers if he spent 14 years catching balls from Montana and Young exclusively.
I think that valid point falls apart when you consider that Moss couldn't even last 2 1/2 seasons with Tom Brady at QB before he wore out his welcome in NE and had to be traded (not counting 2008 since TB basically missed the entire season). Moss and his lack of professionalism and work ethic wouldn't have lasted 14 years with Montana and Young, IMO.
And I don't agree about dominance. Both Rice and Moss led the league in TD catches five times, so that is a wash, but Rice led the league in receiving yards six times (!!), something Moss never did, and Rice led the leagues in catches twice (back when receptions meant something, as now anyone can catch a ton of balls with the emphasis on short passes and the rule changes), also something Moss never did.
I think it is easy to get swayed by the good Randy Moss because, let's face it, when he felt like playing and was on his game, he was an unstoppable force of nature, but he simply didn't care enough to be great year or year or even week to week. He still ended up being one of the best receivers ever, but with his talent and size, he could have been the best football PLAYER ever. He just didn't have the work ethic or mindset.
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Goff stinking it up against the freaking Jets. This, again, is why I don't trust the Rams. Their QB plays like a clown far too often. That's right, I am using the word clown again.
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Goff stinking it up against the freaking Jets. This, again, is why I don't trust the Rams. Their QB plays like a clown far too often. That's right, I am using the word clown again.
That's crazy. Too many teams in the league like that, where it's almost a complete crapshoot as to what team you're going to get on any given week.
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I believe NBC got it wrong with the tiebreaker between NYJ and JAX. JAX's one win came against an AFC opponent. The Jet's beat an NFC team, giving them a .000 within the conference.
edit: On top of that, if there are at least 4 common games, JAX "wins" that one, too. They beat the Colts, who blew out NYJ.
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I would be remiss, I would be shirking my duties, if I didn't remind how much Jim Nantz blows.
His network, CBS, is no better. Late in the third, they did a "puff piece" on Drew Brees and his family.... about how much they all love Patrick Mahomes. I vomited in my slippers.
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I believe NBC got it wrong with the tiebreaker between NYJ and JAX. JAX's one win came against an AFC opponent. The Jet's beat an NFC team, giving them a .000 within the conference.
The aforementioned Jim Nantz said JAX wins the tiebreaker based on theirs being the easier strength of schedule. I wouldn't trust Jim Nantz to tell me what day it is, though, so take that with a grain of salt. In his mind, it's likely that Patrick Mahomes has the first pick in next years draft. ;)
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I believe NBC got it wrong with the tiebreaker between NYJ and JAX. JAX's one win came against an AFC opponent. The Jet's beat an NFC team, giving them a .000 within the conference.
The aforementioned Jim Nantz said JAX wins the tiebreaker based on theirs being the easier strength of schedule. I wouldn't trust Jim Nantz to tell me what day it is, though, so take that with a grain of salt. In his mind, it's likely that Patrick Mahomes has the first pick in next years draft. ;)
He's got an entire crew of analysts and statisticians yammering in his ear, though. As soon as he said that, six eggheads in New York started crunching numbers. Unfortunately for him, they seem to be lazy fucks. Not only did they gloss over wins within the conference, they'll play a definitive fourth common foe next week when NYJ plays the Browns, putting the third tiebreaker into play. (They may have already met the four common foes, depending on how they interpret the rule. NYJ has already played 4 games against common opponents, but JAX has only played 3.)
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I would be remiss, I would be shirking my duties, if I didn't remind how much Jim Nantz blows.
His network, CBS, is no better. Late in the third, they did a "puff piece" on Drew Brees and his family.... about how much they all love Patrick Mahomes. I vomited in my slippers.
I laughed when Nantz said , "Eat it Stadler." :lol
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I had heard this week that the Jags would get the number 1 pick if the Jets won one of their last three and both finished 1-15, so that sounds correct. Such a Jets thing to do. And LOL at the Rams. That's an inexcusable loss.
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Matt Ryan will never be more than a punchline to me. He’s taken choking to performance art level.
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As someone who never has watched a single quarter of college football, I don't give a shit about Trevor Lawrence. I'm sure he's a fine player, but it is impossible to imagine any one thing making the Jets competitive. This isn't the NBA. Any sign that this team has some life and maybe some components that aren't completely unsalvageable is better than a theoretical player down the line.
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I have no idea how to feel about this Jets victory. On one hand, going 0-16 would be embarrassing and something that sticks with a franchise for a long time. On the other hand, this win puts the Jaguars in the driver's seat for the first overall pick and a shot at Trevor Lawrence. It's a weird purgatory to be in as a fan, unsure if you want your team to win or lose.
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I wonder if Trevor Lawrence's people already pulled a 1983 John Elway and told the Jets to go fuck themselves like Elway did with the Colts. I refuse to believe that the Jets weren't capable of losing to the Rams.
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I wonder if Trevor Lawrence's people already pulled a 1983 John Elway and told the Jets to go fuck themselves like Elway did with the Colts. I refuse to believe that the Jets weren't capable of losing to the Rams.
Because the Jags are a better organization?
Also, how do you suppose any NFL team tanks? Especially one where nearly all the coaches and players are fighting to prove they even belong on a roster?
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I hate to piss in anyone's cornflakes, but if anyone thinks that Trevor Lawrence is the salvation of the Jets, I have a bridge to sell you. They're a messed up organization, and they are NOT "one player away" from a resurgence. They HAVE Darnold, who is no slouch, they had La'veon Bell, who is no slouch (though indicative of the kind of player the Steelers jettison and the Jets pick up; should tell you SOMETHING) and they decided to entrust all that to Adam Gase.
You should want your teams to WIN. Figure out your situation and WIN. Man plans and God laughs; there are tens if not hundreds of "once in a generation" QBs that were supposed to save the franchise that you don't hear of in three years. I don't mean this to anyone here, and it's a harsh statement, but if you're rooting for your team to LOSE so you have a better draftpick, well, that's the mentality that got you there in the first place.
They've had up years and they've had down years, and it takes time to get a system implemented and running smoothly, but I think you'd NEVER see a Bill Belichick, a Bill Parcells, a Bill Cowher, a Bill Walsh (seems "Bills" make good coaches; I'm available!) tanking a season to get a draft pick.
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Could not agree more. That is exactly how I feel.
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Here's one for you:
Since 1944, only five teams have had winless seasons in the NFL:
- the 1960 Dallas Cowboys (0–11–1)
- the 1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (0–14)
- the 1982 Baltimore Colts (0–8–1)
- the 2008 Detroit Lions (0–16)
- the 2017 Cleveland Browns (0–16).
I was going to ask if you can even name the first round picks for each of those teams, but you probably can, thouigh not because those picks elevated their teams to Super Bowl greatness (I'd give you Bob Lilly on that one, though). Only the first three have actually WON a Super Bowl since their oh-fer seasons, and every one took AT LEAST a decade for it to happen (Dallas in '72, Tampa in '02, and Baltimore/Indy in '06). Is Detroit close? Stafford has played for four head coaches since coming into the league in 2009, and isn't a threat to even make the playoffs let alone win a Super Bowl (and he's GOOD). Is Cleveland close? I'd say so, but Mayfield has already played for four head coaches in two seasons! They're not a lock, especially in their division.
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Any dumb narrative around the Jets is just ESPN working its magic in the epicenter of the NY news media. Prior to the Jets win, it was "uh oh, is Trevor Lawrence going to pull an Eli? Who would want to play for the Jets?" and even idiots like Mike Greenberg (self-proclaimed "Jets fan") were warning Lawrence to "stay away". Now that the Jets have won, it's another round of "lol Jets". Yet the minute Jets have a good season, all these clowns will be anointing whoever is QB as the next Joe Namath.
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I had heard this week that the Jags would get the number 1 pick if the Jets won one of their last three and both finished 1-15, so that sounds correct. Such a Jets thing to do. And LOL at the Rams. That's an inexcusable loss.
What am I missing, then? The Jags win out on the second and third tiebreakers if they're both 1-15. They have a better division record since they beat an AFC team (Jet's beat an NFC team), and they have/will have a better record against common foes. If the Jags win the tiebreakers NYJ lose in the standings and get the first pick.
edit: Figured it out. Overall standings for purposes of the draft use a different system which begins with strength of schedule. Strength of schedule is like the fifth or so in the normal tie break. Strangely, that strength of schedule even trumps H2H. That seems strange to me.
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(https://i.cbc.ca/1.5841644.1608008574!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/lamar-jackson.jpg)
Lamar hoists Tucker after the winning FG at Cleveland. A bit late (thanks, TAC, for telling me how to do this), but an all time Top Ten moment in Baltimore sports history. Still on the outside looking in, but I like all the scenerios where all it takes is one of three teams to lose one more time in the next two weeks. Go, Steelers ;)
(oh, and the volume was more than audible for about two minutes of the KC-NO game, until I tuned it way down. Stadler.....how did you handle a whole game of Nance's butt kissing of Mahomes?!?!? Just that brief moment in time was too much for us)
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RIP Kevin Greene. One of the best pass rushers I ever saw.
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I had heard this week that the Jags would get the number 1 pick if the Jets won one of their last three and both finished 1-15, so that sounds correct. Such a Jets thing to do. And LOL at the Rams. That's an inexcusable loss.
What am I missing, then? The Jags win out on the second and third tiebreakers if they're both 1-15. They have a better division record since they beat an AFC team (Jet's beat an NFC team), and they have/will have a better record against common foes. If the Jags win the tiebreakers NYJ lose in the standings and get the first pick.
edit: Figured it out. Overall standings for purposes of the draft use a different system which begins with strength of schedule. Strength of schedule is like the fifth or so in the normal tie break. Strangely, that strength of schedule even trumps H2H. That seems strange to me.
I couldn't remember the gist of it, just that the Jags get the number 1 pick if they lose out and the Jets win at least one game.
RIP Kevin Greene. One of the best pass rushers I ever saw.
He was a beast. IIRC, he was a major name in putting the Panthers on the map right away once they became an NFL franchise. R.I.P.
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Aaron Rodgers has no support!! Oh, wait a minute, the Packers have as many Pro Bowlers as the Chiefs. Another false narrative laid to rest.
Another false narrative bandied about constantly by talking airheads: the way to beat the Chiefs is to play keepaway! Except the CHIEFS possessed the ball for 42 minutes against NO. Now what Einstein?
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(oh, and the volume was more than audible for about two minutes of the KC-NO game, until I tuned it way down. Stadler.....how did you handle a whole game of Nance's butt kissing of Mahomes?!?!? Just that brief moment in time was too much for us)
I didn't, and I finally bailed and turned the sound off and listened to Ozzy for the last two and a half minutes or so.
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minutes or quarters? :D
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Well, my problem is that I like Romo. He's starting to drink Nantz's bathwater, though and playing along, but I like Romo as an announcer. So I'm torn. I'm also sort of hoping that listening to Nantz will build callouses and it won't bother me as much, but that isn't working as of yet.
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Not that all of their issues are his fault, but Ben Roethlisberger looks done. The normal zip on a lot of his passes is gone. Father Time wins again.
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:lol
(https://i.postimg.cc/pdhmXJbf/FB-IMG-1608678244830.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FfvrTcKz) (https://keyboardtester.co/keyboard-tester)
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It is going to be weird seeing the AFC bracket and not seeing the Patriots in there. That is for damn sure.
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I'm interested in seeing how KC reacts in the playoffs after winning it all. They've played a lot of games the last 3 years.
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It is going to be weird seeing the AFC bracket and not seeing the Patriots in there. That is for damn sure.
Seeing them listed as eliminated made me so happy. I know that Pats fans endured nearly a half century of mediocrity before the Brady/Belichick era so these past two decades were earned, but as a Jets fan in his late 20's, Patriots success has been the norm for most of my life. And let's not forget that before everything fell apart in 2012 for the Jets, they actually were one of New England's toughest rivals. The blood feud went beyond close games, with poison pill contracts, day one resignations, accusations of cheating, cheap shots in press conferences, and so many more things that I can't remember right now. It's almost poetic that the last Jets playoff victory was a huge upset win over the 14-2 Patriots a decade ago. Since then, the rivalry has been one sided, but after years of staying close with New England, watching them completely dominate and win championship after championship, including one with the best Jets player in recent memory in Darrelle Revis, all while my team slipped further into futility, with brief and cruel glimmers of hope thrown in just to keep us fans in pain. This has led to a fierce and unwavering hatred for the Patriots, with every win hurting more and more. The end of their dynasty has allowed me to breathe a sigh of relief, as I don't have to live with the constant dread that I will have to watch Robert Kraft get awarded yet another Lombardi Trophy. Now if only the Jets could figure out how to actually build a good team...
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It is going to be weird seeing the AFC bracket and not seeing the Patriots in there. That is for damn sure.
Seeing them listed as eliminated made me so happy. I know that Pats fans endured nearly a half century of mediocrity before the Brady/Belichick era so these past two decades were earned, but as a Jets fan in his late 20's, Patriots success has been the norm for most of my life. And let's not forget that before everything fell apart in 2012 for the Jets, they actually were one of New England's toughest rivals. The blood feud went beyond close games, with poison pill contracts, day one resignations, accusations of cheating, cheap shots in press conferences, and so many more things that I can't remember right now. It's almost poetic that the last Jets playoff victory was a huge upset win over the 14-2 Patriots a decade ago. Since then, the rivalry has been one sided, but after years of staying close with New England, watching them completely dominate and win championship after championship, including one with the best Jets player in recent memory in Darrelle Revis, all while my team slipped further into futility, with brief and cruel glimmers of hope thrown in just to keep us fans in pain. This has led to a fierce and unwavering hatred for the Patriots, with every win hurting more and more. The end of their dynasty has allowed me to breathe a sigh of relief, as I don't have to live with the constant dread that I will have to watch Robert Kraft get awarded yet another Lombardi Trophy. Now if only the Jets could figure out how to actually build a good team...
As a quasi outside observer - I'm a Pats fan, but not exclusive; I like the Giants as well from when I was a kid - all the rest is moot compared to that last sentence. Seems an awful lot like deflection and transference. It's not the Pats fault that the Jets blow, and in fact, it's not the Jets - it's the Dolphins and Bills - taking advantage of the temporary schneid that the Pats are on. Like it or not, if either team is going to hoist anything in the near future, it's far more likely to be a Kraft than a Johnson with or without Trevor Lawrence.
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Not that all of their issues are his fault, but Ben Roethlisberger looks done. The normal zip on a lot of his passes is gone. Father Time wins again.
Yes he does look done. I’m very depressed about it. In addition he has no confidence in his line to hold a block longer than 1.5 seconds. Villanueva was roasted the entire game but they never put in a TE to help.
On a more positive note, Mahomes and the Chiefs literally set records every week. They just became the first team ever to beat 6 playoff teams on the road (Bal will get in). Mahomes just came off a stretch where he passed for the most yards ever over a 6-game span. KC extended their own record of consecutive games scoring 20+ points. So fun to watch.
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Not that all of their issues are his fault, but Ben Roethlisberger looks done. The normal zip on a lot of his passes is gone. Father Time wins again.
Yes he does look done. I’m very depressed about it. In addition he has no confidence in his line to hold a block longer than 1.5 seconds. Villanueva was roasted the entire game but they never put in a TE to help.
Don't despair about Big Ben too much. I've been saying that Tom Brady looks washed up for the last 4 years and each year he has proven me wrong. I've learned to shut my pie hole up and just appreciate. I'm sure Big Ben is in the same boat.
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Ben said before the last game that he wants to return next year. He doesn't feel he's washed up; but that puts the Steelers in a similar position to the Pats last year. What to do and when?
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Don't despair about Big Ben too much. I've been saying that Tom Brady looks washed up for the last 4 years and each year he has proven me wrong. I've learned to shut my pie hole up and just appreciate. I'm sure Big Ben is in the same boat.
Big difference between Brady and Roethslisberger, though. Brady is a guy who clearly is very careful about what he puts into his body and tries to stay as healthy as he can to prolong his career. Ben looks like a guy who goes out and chugs beers and eat hot dogs three nights a week. Not that there is anything wrong with beer and hot dogs, but Father Time isn't as kind to those who do not take good care of themselves (in relative terms).
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Ben might be more willing to retire once he knows public bathroom closures due to covid are over with and all bars in Georgia are open.
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RIP Kevin Greene. One of the best pass rushers I ever saw.
I hoped he would coach or at least be the DC of the Packers when he coached LBs there. He was a beast as a player as well as a coach. One of the best.
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Ben might be more willing to retire once he knows public bathroom closures due to covid are over with and all bars in Georgia are open.
He’s happily married to a woman he met at his church and has 3 kids. But sure just keep trotting out the same jokes that were dated in 2015. Do you have any Aaron Hernandez ones that are hot off the presses?
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He's a Saints fan. :lol
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Ben might be more willing to retire once he knows public bathroom closures due to covid are over with and all bars in Georgia are open.
He’s happily married to a woman he met at his church and has 3 kids. But sure just keep trotting out the same jokes that were dated in 2015. Do you have any Aaron Hernandez ones that are hot off the presses?
Do you personally know him lol? He was literally accused of having a friend block the entrance of a bathroom so he could rape a chick. But of course cuz he met someone at a church he's morally invincible. Also, I'm not gonna say a single bad thing about Hernandez cuz I don't wanna incur any more of your wrath since you seem pretty protective of degenerates.
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I wonder if Trevor Lawrence's people already pulled a 1983 John Elway and told the Jets to go fuck themselves like Elway did with the Colts. I refuse to believe that the Jets weren't capable of losing to the Rams.
Because the Jags are a better organization?
Also, how do you suppose any NFL team tanks? Especially one where nearly all the coaches and players are fighting to prove they even belong on a roster?
Because some of those people are probably dumb enough to think they'll just get signed elsewhere once their contracts end or they get cut anyway. If the majority of NFL players end up broke within 5 years of retiring then why wouldn't they have that same lack of urgency and foresight when they're younger and have less life experience?
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Players don’t tank in the NFL as much as they quit on their coaches. Ironically that’s not what has happened with the Jets as they seem to be playing harder for Adam Gase now than they have all season.
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If the Titans put together the offense and defense in the same game they could make a run for a rematch with KC in the AFC championship game. They are so inconsistent when the play good teams. Of course the Bills, Steelers and Browns will also be contenders.
Should be some great playoff games.
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The fun thing is that anyone can get hot at the right time and make a run. Look at the Titans last year. They limped into the playoffs, having lost two of their last three games, but won two road playoff games and had the lead for most of the 1st half against the eventual champs. Tennessee, Indy, Baltimore and Cleveland can all run the ball well, and I wouldn't be surprised to see one of those teams make a deep playoff run.
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I'm totally happy with the way this game has played out (defensive and injury woes aside) but man I woulda loved to see Alvin Kamara get two cracks at TD #6 from the one yard line.
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Spoke too soon lol. And so glad that it happened against the Vikings. Couldn't think of a better team to eliminate from the playoffs while clinching our fourth straight division title and tying two NFL records: one that's only occurred three times before (total TDs in a game, 6) and not since 1965 and another that's only occurred once before (rushing TDs in a game, 6) and not since 1929.
I only barely loathe the Vikings less than the niners so this is so immensely gratifying.
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Spoke too soon lol. And so glad that it happened against the Vikings. Couldn't think of a better team to eliminate from the playoffs while clinching our fourth straight division title and tying two NFL records: one that's only occurred three times before (total TDs in a game, 6) and not since 1965 and another that's only occurred once before (rushing TDs in a game, 6) and not since 1929.
I only barely loathe the Vikings less than the niners so this is so immensely gratifying.
Curious why you loathe the Vikings so much? What'd they ever do to you?
Yikes, the Vikings defense is awful this year. I'm amazed they kept that game as close as they did until the 4th quarter.
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Spoke too soon lol. And so glad that it happened against the Vikings. Couldn't think of a better team to eliminate from the playoffs while clinching our fourth straight division title and tying two NFL records: one that's only occurred three times before (total TDs in a game, 6) and not since 1965 and another that's only occurred once before (rushing TDs in a game, 6) and not since 1929.
I only barely loathe the Vikings less than the niners so this is so immensely gratifying.
Curious why you loathe the Vikings so much? What'd they ever do to you?
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Yeah - I'd say that's a pretty good reason.......
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Yeah - I'd say that's a pretty good reason.......
It's a pretty good reason to loathe whomever #43 was.
Also, the Lions are BAD.
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Spoke too soon lol. And so glad that it happened against the Vikings. Couldn't think of a better team to eliminate from the playoffs while clinching our fourth straight division title and tying two NFL records: one that's only occurred three times before (total TDs in a game, 6) and not since 1965 and another that's only occurred once before (rushing TDs in a game, 6) and not since 1929.
I only barely loathe the Vikings less than the niners so this is so immensely gratifying.
Curious why you loathe the Vikings so much? What'd they ever do to you?
Yikes, the Vikings defense is awful this year. I'm amazed they kept that game as close as they did until the 4th quarter.
Saints fans waited 20 years to have a winning season and playoff appearance (both are futility records for the four major North American sports afaik) and we lost to them 44-10 in our first playoff game. Then we endured three more playoff losses before finally winning a playoff game (which took until our 34th season) and then lost to them in our first divisional round game ever.
We then beat them in the 2009 NFC CG to go to our first SB and the NFL was so butthurt about missing out on a Favre/Peyton SB that they changed the overtime format which had been in place for 36 years without there ever being anything more than occasional grumblings about it up to that point. I actually like the new OT format but the timing and phony outcry about how "unfair" the OT format is seemed to be a direct gripe about a small market team messing up their dream SB matchup.
Then there was the whiff on a tackle in the gif posted above. Our DB had a WR suspended in midair directly above him jumping to catch a desperation pass on the last play of the game. Literally, all he had to do was let the guy fall into his arms and shove him to the ground and we instantly advance to the 2017 NFC CG. Of course the idiot goes for a highlight reel decleater and totally misses thus allowing the dude to sprint for a walkoff 61 yard TD.
Then last year we played our worst playoff game of the Payton/Bees era allowing a 10-6 team to come into our house and control both sides of the line of scrimmage for the entire game. To make matters worse, on the walkoff TD in overtime the WR clearly pushed off and the refs refused to even review it. This was diabolically shitty because just the season before that we'd been screwed by the worst noncall in NFL history against the Rams and were deprived of basically a guaranteed SB appearance.
Roger Goodell despises Sean Payton and makes no secret of it so there's a very long history of knife-twisting bullshit like this over the last few seasons, especially their back alley abortion one year trial of allowing pass interference to be initiated via a coach's challenge only for them to intentionally fuck up the execution of it all year long just to give off the impression that they gave it the ol' college try even though they sabotaged it every step of the way.
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Ex-Michigander speaking: Around 130pm EST I remembered that there was an NFL game on. Instead, I got the Lions ;), who were already down 13-0 minutes into the game. And they were wearing their gray flannel long johns to boot. Just ugly and putrid on all accounts. :tdwn
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My phone didn't save my picks, so I missed the Friday game. Dammit, as I would have picked the Saints. I got a bonus with the Steelers, but I'm kicking myself for chickening out on picking Carolina. That and Dallas were the ONLY games I even gave a passing thought about, and the Carolina game more than that. Friggin' sally.
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Some days it is better to be lucky than good.
Down 14-10, Mahomes throws a pass that should have been an easy INT in the end zone, but the Falcons DB lost the ball when going to the ground with it. Incomplete.
Mahomes then throws a TD on the next play. 17-14 KC.
Matt Ryan then drives the Falcons down the field, leading to the Falcons kicker missing the tying FG as time expired.
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Very excited to see GB already getting bailed out on third down with an automatic first down penalty.
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Yay we made the playoffs....I haven't been watching football much at all this year because I feel it's not taken as serious and more for fun. But, when I do I will still watch a game. Should be an interesting playoffs this year though. :corn :corn :corn
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I've gotta say, after seeing Oakland refuse to score a TD on their last possession, it was extremely satisfying to see the Dolphins win that game. Especially after seeing Ryan Fitzpatrick level up on that throw, holy shit.
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I’m always surprised at how often both fans and those who are actually paid to analyze this stuff ignore facts. Here are some facts. Number of wins against teams with winning records:
Sam Darnold 2
Tom Brady 1
That’s right, the freaking Jets have more wins against winning teams than the Bucs. Meanwhile the Steelers have wins against the 10-5 Ravens (twice) the 10-5 Browns the 10-5 Colts the 10-5 Titans. The Chiefs have beaten the 11-4 Saints the 11-3 Bills and 3 other 10-5 teams all on the road. These facts are blissfully ignored by talking heads, including those pushing for Rodgers as MVP.
Mahomes put up 32 points in the only game his team lost, but since Rodgers has gotten to pad his stats against bottom feeders (except Saints and Titans) they’ll reward him with MVP. Funniest thing is Rodgers is obsessed about the MVP but Mahomes only talks about a championship. Kinda shines some light on their different personas.
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How 2020 is this?
If the Cowboys lose to the Giants AND Washington loses, that means there would be a 3 way tie that would make the Giants the division winner based on their 2 wins over Washington.
Crazy stuff man....
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How 2020 is this?
If the Cowboys lose to the Giants AND Washington loses, that means there would be a 3 way tie that would make the Giants the division winner based on their 2 wins over Washington.
Crazy stuff man....
Even crazier is that, in that the 6-10 Giants or the 7-9 Redskins or Cowboys will HOST the 11-5 or 10-6 Bucs or the 10-6 Rams in the first round of the playoffs. The road team could have almost twice as many wins as the home team! Either way, we're going to get a lot of clamor to change the playoff system.
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Washington/Philly is a crappy game to get as the Week 17 Flex night game, but it was probably the best option since Washington is in a "win and you're in" scenario. And since the winner of the Dallas/NYG game is in if Washington loses, the NFL probably figures that the fanbase of the winner of that game will tune in and that will help the ratings a little. I almost hope Dallas wins and then Philly tanks on purpose and loses just to screw the Cowboys. :lol
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Washington/Philly is a crappy game to get as the Week 17 Flex night game, but it was probably the best option since Washington is in a "win and you're in" scenario. And since the winner of the Dallas/NYG game is in if Washington loses, the NFL probably figures that the fanbase of the winner of that game will tune in and that will help the ratings a little. I almost hope Dallas wins and then Philly tanks on purpose and loses just to screw the Cowboys. :lol
Hey now! Thems fighten words! >:(
Actually, if Alex Smith can go then I fully expect Washington to win. Their D-Line is championship caliber.
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I've gotta say, after seeing Oakland refuse to score a TD on their last possession, it was extremely satisfying to see the Dolphins win that game. Especially after seeing Ryan Fitzpatrick level up on that throw, holy shit.
But why though? Was it not the smart thing to do? I realize they couldn't run the clock down to zero which would've completely eliminated the possibility of the choke that eventually occurred but if they get the TD they're in the precarious position of having to go for 2 to get a 7 point lead which then leaves them open to losing to a TD regardless of whether or not MIA makes the extra point if they were to score a TD and LV misses the 2-point attempt.
It also would've given MIA the ball with 1:50 remaining if the dude hadn't dropped at the 1 yard line. You've probably got like an 80-95% chance of not allowing a team to get from their own 25 to field goal range with 19 seconds remaining but a bit more of a chance of them scoring a TD with almost 2 minutes left.
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How 2020 is this?
If the Cowboys lose to the Giants AND Washington loses, that means there would be a 3 way tie that would make the Giants the division winner based on their 2 wins over Washington.
Crazy stuff man....
Even crazier is that, in that the 6-10 Giants or the 7-9 Redskins or Cowboys will HOST the 11-5 or 10-6 Bucs or the 10-6 Rams in the first round of the playoffs. The road team could have almost twice as many wins as the home team! Either way, we're going to get a lot of clamor to change the playoff system.
I don’t think the playoff system needs to be changed as much as the number of teams that get in needs to be changed. Getting rid of one first round bye to add a seventh team in each conference is a good start, but I’ve been pretty vocal about my disdain for a week off in the playoffs. I don’t think the problem is bad teams in weak divisions getting in as much is it’s good teams in strong divisions missing out. I use the 2010 season as an example a lot because it’s the perfect season to highlight my point. The Seahawks hosted a playoff game at 7-9 while the 10-6 Giants and Buccaneers missed the playoffs due to tiebreakers. The Seahawks proceeded to beat the 11-5 defending champion Saints, proving that they belonged in the playoffs that year. To say that a team that was capable of beating one of the league’s best doesn’t belong is silly, but I think that the Giants and Bucs deserved a shot that year as well. Adding one more wild card was a great call this year, and I’m excited to see how the two 7th seeds do in two weeks.
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I didn't watch the game last night but The Hoodie apparently lost his shit after losing that challenge. Quite hilarious! :rollin
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I don’t think the playoff system needs to be changed as much as the number of teams that get in needs to be changed. Getting rid of one first round bye to add a seventh team in each conference is a good start, but I’ve been pretty vocal about my disdain for a week off in the playoffs. I don’t think the problem is bad teams in weak divisions getting in as much is it’s good teams in strong divisions missing out. I use the 2010 season as an example a lot because it’s the perfect season to highlight my point. The Seahawks hosted a playoff game at 7-9 while the 10-6 Giants and Buccaneers missed the playoffs due to tiebreakers. The Seahawks proceeded to beat the 11-5 defending champion Saints, proving that they belonged in the playoffs that year. To say that a team that was capable of beating one of the league’s best doesn’t belong is silly, but I think that the Giants and Bucs deserved a shot that year as well. Adding one more wild card was a great call this year, and I’m excited to see how the two 7th seeds do in two weeks.
I don't necessarily agree that the Seahawks winning that game "prov[ed] that they belonged in the playoffs," but I do agree with the broader point you're making. A 10-6 team shouldn't miss the playoffs while a 7-9 team makes the playoffs just because the 7-9 team is in a weak division. I normally agree with the notion that winning your division should mean something, but for some reason, football is the one sport where I'm not so sure about that.
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I've gotta say, after seeing Oakland refuse to score a TD on their last possession, it was extremely satisfying to see the Dolphins win that game. Especially after seeing Ryan Fitzpatrick level up on that throw, holy shit.
But why though? Was it not the smart thing to do? I realize they couldn't run the clock down to zero which would've completely eliminated the possibility of the choke that eventually occurred but if they get the TD they're in the precarious position of having to go for 2 to get a 7 point lead which then leaves them open to losing to a TD regardless of whether or not MIA makes the extra point if they were to score a TD and LV misses the 2-point attempt.
It also would've given MIA the ball with 1:50 remaining if the dude hadn't dropped at the 1 yard line. You've probably got like an 80-95% chance of not allowing a team to get from their own 25 to field goal range with 19 seconds remaining but a bit more of a chance of them scoring a TD with almost 2 minutes left.
Miami would have had to score a TD to win, or get a chance to win. It's harder to score a TD than score a FG, at any time. And refusing to score is just weird.
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I don’t think the playoff system needs to be changed as much as the number of teams that get in needs to be changed. Getting rid of one first round bye to add a seventh team in each conference is a good start, but I’ve been pretty vocal about my disdain for a week off in the playoffs. I don’t think the problem is bad teams in weak divisions getting in as much is it’s good teams in strong divisions missing out. I use the 2010 season as an example a lot because it’s the perfect season to highlight my point. The Seahawks hosted a playoff game at 7-9 while the 10-6 Giants and Buccaneers missed the playoffs due to tiebreakers. The Seahawks proceeded to beat the 11-5 defending champion Saints, proving that they belonged in the playoffs that year. To say that a team that was capable of beating one of the league’s best doesn’t belong is silly, but I think that the Giants and Bucs deserved a shot that year as well. Adding one more wild card was a great call this year, and I’m excited to see how the two 7th seeds do in two weeks.
I don't necessarily agree that the Seahawks winning that game "prov[ed] that they belonged in the playoffs," but I do agree with the broader point you're making. A 10-6 team shouldn't miss the playoffs while a 7-9 team makes the playoffs just because the 7-9 team is in a weak division. I normally agree with the notion that winning your division should mean something, but for some reason, football is the one sport where I'm not so sure about that.
If nothing else, teams should be seeded based on record, not based on whether they won their division. A 7-9 division winner should not host a 11-5 wildcard team. I think I'm still on board with division winners making the playoffs though.
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I don’t think the playoff system needs to be changed as much as the number of teams that get in needs to be changed. Getting rid of one first round bye to add a seventh team in each conference is a good start, but I’ve been pretty vocal about my disdain for a week off in the playoffs. I don’t think the problem is bad teams in weak divisions getting in as much is it’s good teams in strong divisions missing out. I use the 2010 season as an example a lot because it’s the perfect season to highlight my point. The Seahawks hosted a playoff game at 7-9 while the 10-6 Giants and Buccaneers missed the playoffs due to tiebreakers. The Seahawks proceeded to beat the 11-5 defending champion Saints, proving that they belonged in the playoffs that year. To say that a team that was capable of beating one of the league’s best doesn’t belong is silly, but I think that the Giants and Bucs deserved a shot that year as well. Adding one more wild card was a great call this year, and I’m excited to see how the two 7th seeds do in two weeks.
I don't necessarily agree that the Seahawks winning that game "prov[ed] that they belonged in the playoffs," but I do agree with the broader point you're making. A 10-6 team shouldn't miss the playoffs while a 7-9 team makes the playoffs just because the 7-9 team is in a weak division. I normally agree with the notion that winning your division should mean something, but for some reason, football is the one sport where I'm not so sure about that.
If nothing else, teams should be seeded based on record, not based on whether they won their division. A 7-9 division winner should not host a 11-5 wildcard team. I think I'm still on board with division winners making the playoffs though.
Absolutely. Doesn't the NBA do it that way (division winners make the playoffs, but seeding and home court is based on record within each conference)?
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I'm sort of of the opinion that it ain't broke. it is what it is. You want a playoff spot? Win your division. This year, some of the divisions suck, but I can remember NFC East seasons where you had great teams beating the craop out of each other twice a season. You take the good with the bad; THIS YEAR some team might get "screwed", but there were all these years where the opposite happened, and it was just.
"Good cases make bad law".
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I'm sort of of the opinion that it ain't broke. it is what it is. You want a playoff spot? Win your division. This year, some of the divisions suck, but I can remember NFC East seasons where you had great teams beating the craop out of each other twice a season. You take the good with the bad; THIS YEAR some team might get "screwed", but there were all these years where the opposite happened, and it was just.
"Good cases make bad law".
I wholeheartedly agree! Didn't the Patriots miss the playoffs with an 11-5 record one year or am I remembering that incorrectly?
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They did. Their 5 losses were to teams that caused them to lose tiebreakers. That was the year Brady went down on the 1st game and Matt Cassel played the whole season.
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Well if it's driving people crazy that a 7-9 team can win the division then they better prepare for the fact that 6-10 could win the NFC East.
Now wouldn't THAT be something? :hat
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Forget about mere playoff seeding, what about just getting rid of divisions entirely? There are only 16 weeks, so it seems kind of ludicrious that half of those weeks are spend playing the same teams. And as a fan of an AFC East team, having been up against the Brady/Bellicheck buzzsaw for 19 years sure was fun. Not that the Jets would have been very good regardless, but maybe law of averages would have determined that I got to watch meaningful football beyond week 8 most years, and even a weak playoff run every 4 years or so would been much better than the current (nearly) 10 year draught.
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I'm sort of of the opinion that it ain't broke. it is what it is. You want a playoff spot? Win your division. This year, some of the divisions suck, but I can remember NFC East seasons where you had great teams beating the craop out of each other twice a season. You take the good with the bad; THIS YEAR some team might get "screwed", but there were all these years where the opposite happened, and it was just.
The Bucs have already clinched a wild card and the #5 seed in the NFC, and the other two spots are up for grabs between the Rams and Cards (who play each other) and the Bears (who play the Packers).
The winner of the Rams/Cards game will get a wild card and be the #6 seed. If the Rams win, the Cards will finish at 8-8, and the Bears will get the #7 seed no matter what happens in their game with the Packers. If the Cards win, then the Rams will be 9-7, and their fate will depend on the Packers/Bears game. If the Packers win, the Rams will get the final wild card spot. If the Bears win, they get the final wild card spot.
So...we'll have the 9-7 Rams or the 8-8 Cards or Bears missing the playoffs while a 7-9 or 6-10 team hosts the Bucs in the first round. Home field advantage doesn't mean too much this year, but I assume there will be no fans in the Meadowlands, as opposed to some fans in Tampa. That's something that can and should be changed. I can live with an awful division winner making the playoffs, but that team shouldn't also get a home playoff game.
Didn't the Patriots miss the playoffs with an 11-5 record one year or am I remembering that incorrectly?
Yes. In 2008, both the Patriots and Dolphins finished with 11-5 records. The Dolphins won the tiebreaker for the division title, and the 11-5 Ravens won the tiebreaker against the Patriots for the second wild card (the 12-4 Colts were the first wild card). Meanwhile, the 8-8 Chargers won the AFC West and hosted and beat (in OT) the 12-4 Colts in the wild card game.
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I'm sort of of the opinion that it ain't broke. it is what it is. You want a playoff spot? Win your division. This year, some of the divisions suck, but I can remember NFC East seasons where you had great teams beating the craop out of each other twice a season. You take the good with the bad; THIS YEAR some team might get "screwed", but there were all these years where the opposite happened, and it was just.
The Bucs have already clinched a wild card and the #5 seed in the NFC, and the other two spots are up for grabs between the Rams and Cards (who play each other) and the Bears (who play the Packers).
The winner of the Rams/Cards game will get a wild card and be the #6 seed. If the Rams win, the Cards will finish at 8-8, and the Bears will get the #7 seed no matter what happens in their game with the Packers. If the Cards win, then the Rams will be 9-7, and their fate will depend on the Packers/Bears game. If the Packers win, the Rams will get the final wild card spot. If the Bears win, they get the final wild card spot.
So...we'll have the 9-7 Rams or the 8-8 Cards or Bears missing the playoffs while a 7-9 or 6-10 team hosts the Bucs in the first round. Home field advantage doesn't mean too much this year, but I assume there will be no fans in the Meadowlands, as opposed to some fans in Tampa. That's something that can and should be changed. I can live with an awful division winner making the playoffs, but that team shouldn't also get a home playoff game.
I can understand the sentiment but but I don't believe that a division winner should be punished and I certainly don't believe that a wildcard team, who couldn't win their own division should be rewarded with a home game.
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I can understand the sentiment but but I don't believe that a division winner should be punished and I certainly don't believe that a wildcard team, who couldn't win their own division should be rewarded with a home game.
But at the same time, one could say (using almost all the same words) that a team who couldn't win more games than it lost should not be rewarded with a home game. Or, that a team that finished with an 11-5 or 12-4 record should not be "punished" by having to play on the road against a team that only won 6, 7 or 8 games but had the good fortune to be in a crappy division.
I don't think it's "punishing" a division winner to say that playoff seeding is based on record.
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Forget about mere playoff seeding, what about just getting rid of divisions entirely? There are only 16 weeks, so it seems kind of ludicrious that half of those weeks are spend playing the same teams. And as a fan of an AFC East team, having been up against the Brady/Bellicheck buzzsaw for 19 years sure was fun. Not that the Jets would have been very good regardless, but maybe law of averages would have determined that I got to watch meaningful football beyond week 8 most years, and even a weak playoff run every 4 years or so would been much better than the current (nearly) 10 year draught.
Out of the question. Aside from the longstanding rivalries, there's also the matter of familiarity. Any given Sunday takes on a whole new meaning with divisional games. With the exception of your Jets, pretty much any team, no matter how awful they are, can compete against a divisional foe, no matter how powerful they may be, and upsets are fun. As someone who's been picking games for 25+ years, I can tell you that divisional match-ups always have an air of uncertainty because of that familiarity.
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Forget about mere playoff seeding, what about just getting rid of divisions entirely? There are only 16 weeks, so it seems kind of ludicrious that half of those weeks are spend playing the same teams. And as a fan of an AFC East team, having been up against the Brady/Bellicheck buzzsaw for 19 years sure was fun. Not that the Jets would have been very good regardless, but maybe law of averages would have determined that I got to watch meaningful football beyond week 8 most years, and even a weak playoff run every 4 years or so would been much better than the current (nearly) 10 year draught.
Out of the question. Aside from the longstanding rivalries, there's also the matter of familiarity. Any given Sunday takes on a whole new meaning with divisional games. With the exception of your Jets, pretty much any team, no matter how awful they are, can compete against a divisional foe, no matter how powerful they may be, and upsets are fun. As someone who's been picking games for 25+ years, I can tell you that divisional match-ups always have an air of uncertainty because of that familiarity.
100% correct.
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I can understand the sentiment but but I don't believe that a division winner should be punished and I certainly don't believe that a wildcard team, who couldn't win their own division should be rewarded with a home game.
But at the same time, one could say (using almost all the same words) that a team who couldn't win more games than it lost should not be rewarded with a home game. Or, that a team that finished with an 11-5 or 12-4 record should not be "punished" by having to play on the road against a team that only won 6, 7 or 8 games but had the good fortune to be in a crappy division.
I don't think it's "punishing" a division winner to say that playoff seeding is based on record.
I hear ya and as Mr. Spock would say - it's logical. BUT - in the system we have now, the NFL rewards division winners. Also, I like the incentive to be "win your division" against division opponents. If you base getting to playoffs on record then you greatly diminish the importance of division games.
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I hear ya and as Mr. Spock would say - it's logical. BUT - in the system we have now, the NFL rewards division winners. Also, I like the incentive to be "win your division" against division opponents. If you base getting to playoffs on record then you greatly diminish the importance of division games.
Like I said, I can live with the division winners making the playoffs (if it were otherwise, then we would abandon the division system altogether), but home field advantage ought to be based on record. The potentially 11-5 Bucs should not have to play the potentially 6-10 Giants at the Meadowlands.
Aside from the longstanding rivalries, there's also the matter of familiarity. Any given Sunday takes on a whole new meaning with divisional games. With the exception of your Jets, pretty much any team, no matter how awful they are, can compete against a divisional foe, no matter how powerful they may be, and upsets are fun. As someone who's been picking games for 25+ years, I can tell you that divisional match-ups always have an air of uncertainty because of that familiarity.
When I look at the Broncos schedule every year, no matter how good or bad they are, and no matter how good or bad the other teams in the AFC West are, I always assume the Broncos will go 3-3 in division games.
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Forget about mere playoff seeding, what about just getting rid of divisions entirely? There are only 16 weeks, so it seems kind of ludicrious that half of those weeks are spend playing the same teams. And as a fan of an AFC East team, having been up against the Brady/Bellicheck buzzsaw for 19 years sure was fun. Not that the Jets would have been very good regardless, but maybe law of averages would have determined that I got to watch meaningful football beyond week 8 most years, and even a weak playoff run every 4 years or so would been much better than the current (nearly) 10 year draught.
Out of the question. Aside from the longstanding rivalries, there's also the matter of familiarity. Any given Sunday takes on a whole new meaning with divisional games. With the exception of your Jets, pretty much any team, no matter how awful they are, can compete against a divisional foe, no matter how powerful they may be, and upsets are fun. As someone who's been picking games for 25+ years, I can tell you that divisional match-ups always have an air of uncertainty because of that familiarity.
Maybe it's because I've only been a fan for the last 10 years to begin with, aside from memories of childhood when I wasn't paying attention, but the AFC East rivalries mean nothing to me. Other than a few years under Rex, I can't even remember a time when there was even a sense that anybody else was going to win the division but the Patriots. Maybe good for the league as a whole, but definitely not good for fans up against this kind of thing, and that's probably a big part of the reason why I have not gone to a game in a decade despite being less than an hour from the meadowlands.
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Power Rankings 12-29-2020
1. Kansas City Chiefs - kinda the number 1 by default since they are 14-1 and the defending champs, but they look vulnerable.
2. Green Bay Packers - winning a game in the snow against a physical team could be a turning point for a team many thought of as a bit soft.
3. Buffalo Bills - look like a team on a mission, but I worry how their offense will do if snow or cold weather make it hard to pass the ball in January.
4. New Orleans Saints - they look like the best team from top to bottom, but Drew Brees is old and still recovering from that rib injury.
5. Seattle Seahawks - defense has quietly rounded into form.
6. Baltimore Ravens - the sleeping giant is poised to make a deep playoff run.
7. Pittsburgh Steelers - finally got it together a little bit in the second half vs Indy, but they don't look like a real threat.
8. Tampa Bay Bucs - continue to feast on patsies, but their poor record against good teams makes me think they will be a one playoff win (vs NFC East winner) and done team.
9. Miami Dolphins - Flores looks like a major winner as a coach. He inherited the "my team will beat yours situationally" gene from Belichick.
10. Tennessee Titans - this team is so up and down, but their best is pretty damn good.
MVP Candidates
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Josh Allen
4. Russell Wilson
5. Derrick Henry
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Forget about mere playoff seeding, what about just getting rid of divisions entirely? There are only 16 weeks, so it seems kind of ludicrious that half of those weeks are spend playing the same teams. And as a fan of an AFC East team, having been up against the Brady/Bellicheck buzzsaw for 19 years sure was fun. Not that the Jets would have been very good regardless, but maybe law of averages would have determined that I got to watch meaningful football beyond week 8 most years, and even a weak playoff run every 4 years or so would been much better than the current (nearly) 10 year draught.
It's a matter of taste. I grew up a Giants fan, and while we got our asses kicked and kicked hard year in year out by the Tom Landry Cowboys and the George Allen Redskins, it was exciting. I knew them, I could get into that rivalry. When, say, Denver or San Diego came to town it was like "wut?"
For a division like The AFC Central, where all four teams hate each other, it's still exciting. Hell, I don't even like any of those teams, but I'll tune in to a Steelers/Browns game.
I hate to burst your bubble, but the Jets would have been shitty in the NFC East as well. Good teams rise to the occasion.
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Power Rankings 12-29-2020
1. Kansas City Chiefs - kinda the number 1 by default since they are 14-1 and the defending champs, but they look vulnerable.
2. Green Bay Packers - winning a game in the snow against a physical team could be a turning point for a team many thought of as a bit soft.
3. Buffalo Bills - look like a team on a mission, but I worry how their offense will do if snow or cold weather make it hard to pass the ball in January.
4. New Orleans Saints - they look like the best team from top to bottom, but Drew Brees is old and still recovering from that rib injury.
5. Seattle Seahawks - defense has quietly rounded into form.
6. Baltimore Ravens - the sleeping giant is poised to make a deep playoff run.
7. Pittsburgh Steelers - finally got it together a little bit in the second half vs Indy, but they don't look like a real threat.
8. Tampa Bay Bucs - continue to feast on patsies, but their poor record against good teams makes me think they will be a one playoff win (vs NFC East winner) and done team.
9. Miami Dolphins - Flores looks like a major winner as a coach. He inherited the "my team will beat yours situationally" gene from Belichick.
10. Tennessee Titans - this team is so up and down, but their best is pretty damn good.
MVP Candidates
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Josh Allen
4. Russell Wilson
5. Derrick Henry
I agree with this, no matter what Dream Team says about Rodgers. I’m guessing he’s Skip Bayless.
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Forget about mere playoff seeding, what about just getting rid of divisions entirely? There are only 16 weeks, so it seems kind of ludicrious that half of those weeks are spend playing the same teams. And as a fan of an AFC East team, having been up against the Brady/Bellicheck buzzsaw for 19 years sure was fun. Not that the Jets would have been very good regardless, but maybe law of averages would have determined that I got to watch meaningful football beyond week 8 most years, and even a weak playoff run every 4 years or so would been much better than the current (nearly) 10 year draught.
It's a matter of taste. I grew up a Giants fan, and while we got our asses kicked and kicked hard year in year out by the Tom Landry Cowboys and the George Allen Redskins, it was exciting. I knew them, I could get into that rivalry. When, say, Denver or San Diego came to town it was like "wut?"
For a division like The AFC Central, where all four teams hate each other, it's still exciting. Hell, I don't even like any of those teams, but I'll tune in to a Steelers/Browns game.
I hate to burst your bubble, but the Jets would have been shitty in the NFC East as well. Good teams rise to the occasion.
I never said they'd be good so I don't know what bubble you think your bursting. I said I'd at least have been watching meaningful football, which is absolutely true (though not this year lol). Any team not in the same division as the BB/TB Pats would say the same. No one has thought for even a second that any other team would win the division for over 15 years. Thank God it's over.
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BTW, how bad did Dwayne Haskins screw the pooch? Jesus, man.
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BTW, how bad did Dwayne Haskins screw the pooch? Jesus, man.
Yeah, it's bad enough when a team drafts questionable talent. It's really bad when your new head coach doesn't like you. But your doomed when you're just an idiot. Idiot, idiot, idiot!!!
Hopefully he can get it together. I hear Carolina is interested.
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I hear Carolina is interested.
God, I hope not.
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Worst first round QB pick since Manziel, maybe?
Rosen was bad too, but at least he seemed like a decent enough guy, and a hard enough worker with a good enough personality that a few other teams were willing to roll the dice on him...
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2832691-ranking-each-quarterback-selected-in-1st-round-of-nfl-draft-in-the-last-decade
This is a fun article. I don't agree with all of it, but it's interesting to talk about. A LOT more busts than binges, though, by a long shot.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2832691-ranking-each-quarterback-selected-in-1st-round-of-nfl-draft-in-the-last-decade
This is a fun article. I don't agree with all of it, but it's interesting to talk about. A LOT more busts than binges, though, by a long shot.
Eh, it's from nearly two years ago, which explains why Lamar Jackson is still behind Blake Bortles. :P :lol
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Worst first round QB pick since Manziel, maybe?
Rosen was bad too, but at least he seemed like a decent enough guy, and a hard enough worker with a good enough personality that a few other teams were willing to roll the dice on him...
And that's what I mean, if you got a guy with little talent but works hard and does the right things on and off the field you can have more patience with them - Carson Wentz comes to mind.
Now take Zeke Elliott - the guy has been a knucklehead here in Dallas despite his early success. The majority of fans did not want him signed to a new contract but alas, he gets signed and then what happens? He gets the covids and Dallas fans were rolling their eyes saying 'of course, if anyone was going to get it, it was going to Zeke so it doesn't help that he has sucked most of this season.
I have no patience for buffoonery like this. :angry:
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And fans all over the country are weeping over the plight of the poor Dallas Cowboys fans. :P
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And fans all over the country are weeping over the plight of the poor Dallas Cowboys fans. :P
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2832691-ranking-each-quarterback-selected-in-1st-round-of-nfl-draft-in-the-last-decade
This is a fun article. I don't agree with all of it, but it's interesting to talk about. A LOT more busts than binges, though, by a long shot.
Eh, it's from nearly two years ago, which explains why Lamar Jackson is still behind Blake Bortles. :P :lol
Fair enough, but there are more "Blake Bortles"'s on that list than "Lamar Jackson"'s even if you update the numbers.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2832691-ranking-each-quarterback-selected-in-1st-round-of-nfl-draft-in-the-last-decade
This is a fun article. I don't agree with all of it, but it's interesting to talk about. A LOT more busts than binges, though, by a long shot.
Eh, it's from nearly two years ago, which explains why Lamar Jackson is still behind Blake Bortles. :P :lol
Still a good read, though. I can't believe how many of those guys are already out of the league. I'm getting old :mehlin
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2832691-ranking-each-quarterback-selected-in-1st-round-of-nfl-draft-in-the-last-decade
This is a fun article. I don't agree with all of it, but it's interesting to talk about. A LOT more busts than binges, though, by a long shot.
Oh what a difference a year makes. What tripped me out is thinking of guys like Matt Stafford and Sam Bradford as "this decade." Seems like a very long time since they were youngsters.
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Stafford has quietly put up some really good numbers with not a lot (in terms of wins) to show for it.
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And fans all over the country are weeping over the plight of the poor Dallas Cowboys fans. :P
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I’m more happy with Skip Bayless throwing a tantrum that Aaron Rodgers is still good.
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Packers just lost their All Pro left tackle with an ACL injury. Not too good.
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Not sure if this is true or not but it wouldn't surprise me in the least and it's staggering if so.
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lol fuck. Forgot how to post pics here cuz every other site lets you drag and drop now.
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I’m more happy with Skip Bayless throwing a tantrum that Aaron Rodgers is still good.
Oh jeez, I can only imagine, but I did get a kick out of Jimmy Johnson exposing him on Twitter last month as a liar. We all knew that Bayless was a narcissist and an attention seeker, but now we know he is a shameless liar as well.
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I’m more happy with Skip Bayless throwing a tantrum that Aaron Rodgers is still good.
Oh jeez, I can only imagine, but I did get a kick out of Jimmy Johnson exposing him on Twitter last month as a liar. We all knew that Bayless was a narcissist and an attention seeker, but now we know he is a shameless liar as well.
And what Jimmy Johnson lie would that be?
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I guess Bayless was talking about the famous Hershel Walker trade and said that Jimmy Johnson had told him several days before the trade happened that talks were in progress about the possible trade. That was back when Bayless covered the Cowboys down in Dallas, and he was trying to make it sound like he had such great connections that the coach of the Cowboys would confide in him.
A day or later, Jimmy Johnson tweeted the clip with the heading, "This never happen."
In other words, Bayless lied, unless we really want to think that Skip freaking Bayless' words are more credible that Jimmy Johnson's. Johnson is a legendary HOF coach, and Bayless is a brown spot on the dirty carpet that is today's sports media. No doubt in my mind who is more believable.
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They forgot "Send tweet in a font that is barely readable, and which civilized men haven't used for centuries."
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They forgot "Send tweet in a font that is barely readable, and which civilized men haven't used for centuries."
It's like hieroglyphics. I get seizures reading them.
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They forgot "Send tweet in a font that is barely readable, and which civilized men haven't used for centuries."
It's like hieroglyphics. I get seizures reading them.
Yeah, it's like reading a lot of your posts!
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How would you know. You don't do social media? Your example is flawed like your 1975 Ford LTD you still drive.
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What's social media?
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I guess Bayless was talking about the famous Hershel Walker trade and said that Jimmy Johnson had told him several days before the trade happened that talks were in progress about the possible trade. That was back when Bayless covered the Cowboys down in Dallas, and he was trying to make it sound like he had such great connections that the coach of the Cowboys would confide in him.
A day or later, Jimmy Johnson tweeted the clip with the heading, "This never happen."
In other words, Bayless lied, unless we really want to think that Skip freaking Bayless' words are more credible that Jimmy Johnson's. Johnson is a legendary HOF coach, and Bayless is a brown spot on the dirty carpet that is today's sports media. No doubt in my mind who is more believable.
Skip fucking Bayless - He used to write a sports column for the Dallas Times Herald and I always looked forward to reading it as he was quite a talented writer. Then he had a sports radio talk show on 96.7/1310am The Ticket. I liked to read his stuff but as a sports personality, you could tell he was a douchebag.
I'm a little surprised he went there about JJ because he covered the Cowboys for many years but I guess that's what douchebags do.
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I’m confused. Has Skip copped to lying about this?
Is Jimmy’s denial serve as truth that it didn’t happen.
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I’m confused. Has Skip copped to lying about this?
Is Jimmy’s denial serve as truth that it didn’t happen.
Haven't you learned anything over the last 4 years? Liars never admit to lying! :lol
But seriously, Skip has always been known to exaggerate the truth at least when I was following him while he was in Dallas.
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Based on some quick internet searches, it looks like Bayless never replied or responded to Jimmy Johnson's tweet (which was "Never Said This!" instead of "This never happen"...I slightly misquoted it prior), so there is our answer. Bayless is a narcissist who digs his heels in when he thinks he is right, which is 99.9999% of the time, so I am sure he knows he was busted in this lie and figures it is better to ignore it than address it. Remember that Bayless is also the guy who earlier this season who said he didn't care about Dak Prescott's depression (which Dak admitted to in the wake of his brother's suicide) and all but said NFL QB's need to be tougher than that, basically mocking those with mental illnesses. He is a piece of shit of the highest order.
The bummer is that Shannon Sharpe has been one of my favorite Broncos since the 90's, and it is so disappointing to see that he continues to do a live TV show with a guy who is such a shameless lair and charlatan.
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Skip plays the heel, and it's worked very well for him over the years. It's the perfect role for him. This has been his shtick for ages. One of his bits down here back in the day was "just asking the question" is it time to fire Tom Landry. You want to be a heel down here? That's how you do it. I despise sports radio, so I've never heard it, but I imagine Shannon Sharpe plays a face, and that probably works alright.
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So the entire Saints RB group is out due to Covid. Can almost guarantee this will happen to Packers’ or Seahawks’ QB group the week before they play the Bucs.
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Since Kamara is not eligible to play until next Sunday now, get ready for the crying if the NFL schedules the Saints playoff game for next Saturday. I can already hear the collective sobbing coming from down south. :lol
Will be cool to get six playoff games for once in the first weekend of playoff games next week. I have to think that TB vs the NFC East winner will be one of the night games, as they will want Tom Brady on in prime time. If it ends up being the Bucs vs the Cowboys, it is a virtual lock.
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Since Kamara is not eligible to play until next Sunday now, get ready for the crying if the NFL schedules the Saints playoff game for next Saturday. I can already hear the collective sobbing coming from down south. :lol
Christ, I don't even care about the Saints and I'd probably shed a tear for them if that happened. :lol Talk about a string of misfortune and bullshit.
If I were one of the people who thought the NFL was the WWE, secretly fixing games to provide the highest ratings, I'd say they cut NOLA some slack. I think Brees desperately wants to win a ring so he can retire on top, and that's a story the NFL would kill for. I'm not one of those, though, and I think the schedule falls as it may. Maybe they catch a break and maybe they don't.
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And the Browns are playoff bound!
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And the Browns are playoff bound!
Fucking sweet!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Congrats to the Browns.
And Brady. What is left to say. Superhuman.
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Since Kamara is not eligible to play until next Sunday now, get ready for the crying if the NFL schedules the Saints playoff game for next Saturday. I can already hear the collective sobbing coming from down south. :lol
Christ, I don't even care about the Saints and I'd probably shed a tear for them if that happened. :lol Talk about a string of misfortune and bullshit.
If I were one of the people who thought the NFL was the WWE, secretly fixing games to provide the highest ratings, I'd say they cut NOLA some slack. I think Brees desperately wants to win a ring so he can retire on top, and that's a story the NFL would kill for. I'm not one of those, though, and I think the schedule falls as it may. Maybe they catch a break and maybe they don't.
Misfortune, for sure, but I think a lot of Saints fans think the NFL is out to get them and that is when I tune out and just laugh.
That said, I do hope they play next Sunday so Kamara gets to play in their playoff game. I'd rather see all of the best teams have as many of their stars playing and healthy as possible for the playoffs.
Bears just took the lead over GB early. IIRC, if the Packers lose and Saints and Seahawks both win, I think the Saints get the 1 seed still, so that is still in play.
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Great call by Chris Myers on that Brady-Brown pass. "A lot of room to run, but Tom doesn't do that."
Lamar Jackson has back-to-back seasons with 1,000 rushing yards. Dan Marino career rushing yards: 87.
Eagles win, the 6-10 Giants win the NFC East!
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In classic Browns fashion, they made their fans nervous by nearly blowing a 15-point lead to a Steelers team playing a bunch of backups and their crappy ass 2nd string QB, but hey, they won and are in the playoffs. Kudos to them.
I told some friends earlier that I wish the sportsbook across the river up here was open so I could go put some money on the Ravens at +700 to win the AFC. They are hot at the right time, and history is loaded with sports teams who lost early in the playoffs after having a great regular season and then followed it up the next season by making a deep playoff run when expectations were not as high. The Ravens have that look right now.
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I thought Chicago would be giving the Pack more of a game. It's on in the background, but I haven't really watched it, so I don't know what's what, but the handful of plays I've seen, it's not really close.
Talk is already starting on Cam not returning, and the odds of either Jimmy G. or Prince Harry, I mean, Carson Wentz, going to New England. You'll recall when Tom announced he was migrating south that I said Jimmy G. would be back.
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Considering the Hoodie gave the 49ers Jimmy G for what most considered under market value, you have to wonder if Kyle Shanahan would return the favor and ship him back to New England for not all that much. Could be worth it to get that contract off the books, which leads to the big question of, would Belichick want to take on a QB with that big of a contract? He might be better off drafting one and having the 1st team QB not counting a ton towards the cap for the next few years rather than taking on that big contract for a QB who cannot stay healthy and who hasn't lived up to the hype.
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He hasn't lived up to the hype in terms of being the next Tom Brady for someone else, but I think he fits nicely in the scheme in New England. Both Belichick and Newton said they 'wanted more time together' (I think Bill was being kind), but most of New England's trouble is that they require discipline, a discipline that Newton does not now and never did have (I recall Bill Cowher saying something to this effect several years ago, that Cam would never be elite, because he doesn't know what he has to do to improve, and doesn't know how to do it even if he did). I would take either Jim or Carson, frankly, and let Bill work on the rest of the pieces, knowing he didn't have a project at QB.
Both guys are young enough (28 for Wentz, 29 for Jimmy) that they would be able to take their time and groom a second QB in a way they weren't able/willing to do with Brady (though I'm of the opinion that Brady fucked the Patriots in that way).
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I thought Chicago would be giving the Pack more of a game. It's on in the background, but I haven't really watched it, so I don't know what's what, but the handful of plays I've seen, it's not really close.
Talk is already starting on Cam not returning, and the odds of either Jimmy G. or Prince Harry, I mean, Carson Wentz, going to New England. You'll recall when Tom announced he was migrating south that I said Jimmy G. would be back.
Bears got it close in the 3rd quarter. Packers D kind of fell asleep for a quarter. But they got it back and deservedly won. GO PACK GO!
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Derrick Henry might have just stolen the MVP away from all of the quarterbacks.
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How many people were in an eliminator league and were out week one because Jacksonville won their only game against the Colts?
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He hasn't lived up to the hype in terms of being the next Tom Brady for someone else, but I think he fits nicely in the scheme in New England. Both Belichick and Newton said they 'wanted more time together' (I think Bill was being kind), but most of New England's trouble is that they require discipline, a discipline that Newton does not now and never did have (I recall Bill Cowher saying something to this effect several years ago, that Cam would never be elite, because he doesn't know what he has to do to improve, and doesn't know how to do it even if he did). I would take either Jim or Carson, frankly, and let Bill work on the rest of the pieces, knowing he didn't have a project at QB.
Both guys are young enough (28 for Wentz, 29 for Jimmy) that they would be able to take their time and groom a second QB in a way they weren't able/willing to do with Brady (though I'm of the opinion that Brady fucked the Patriots in that way).
Well, no one is going to be the next Tom Brady, but while Jimmy's value to the 49ers is obvious (look at their record the last years with him vs without him), he simply has not evolved into one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL like many thought he would. And that is with working under Kyle Shanahan who inherited his dad's knack for coaching up quarterbacks, so we may have seen Jimmy G's best already.
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I think injuries have played a big part in that.
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It’s only fitting that the game that will decide the NFC East is sloppy.
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Collinsworth was at his most annoying tonight. He wouldn't shut up about the stupid Giants. Heads up, dumb ass, the Giants had all season to control their own destiny. If you have to rely on help in week 17, it's your damn fault. It's a bad look for sure, but I have zero sympathy for the Giants.
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Seahawks host the Rams in 1st round! Ohhhh boy!
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Collinsworth was at his most annoying tonight. He wouldn't shut up about the stupid Giants. Heads up, dumb ass, the Giants had all season to control their own destiny. If you have to rely on help in week 17, it's your damn fault. It's a bad look for sure, but I have zero sympathy for the Giants.
It was Al Michaels too, it almost seemed like Al was showing that he was a Giants fan or something. I'm guessing both were just more annoyed to be calling the last game of the season in which a team was clearly tanking when it was actually a close score. Kind of a bad look for the NFL for flexing that game IMO, but that was one epic troll by the Eagles. I hope it bites them in the ass next season by losing the team or something. Giants had no business in the playoffs so it's not that big of a deal though.
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I didn't watch the game, but now I wish I did. I'm all for a coach/team playing the game they want to play. If the Chiefs want to sit their stars and wait to the playoffs, it's their choice. Evans got hurt and Arians took shit for it (though I agree with Arians; Brady is all about reps and timing with his receivers, and nothing beats game conditions to refine that; I think the risk is always there, and you play your odds). Having said that, there's something about Pederson that smacks of "I don't know what the fuck I'm doing". I get playing other players, but you've already started a quarterback quagmire with Wentz, who, despite being a guy that wouldn't say shit if he had a mouthful, is now reportedly going to request a trade. Why rock the franchise by turning the reigns over to Hurts then remove HIM? Did you get more data from watching Seinfeld play than you did rock the kid's spirit by putting him into an unstable situation going into the off-season?
I'm a Giants fan, so I wanted to see them get in, but my head picked Washington (and I had a perfect week) so I'm not really concerned with the "L" so much as I am that another NFC East team looks like a headless chicken running around the yard (Dallas is the other one). If Judge can maintain the support of his team, and Jones can remain healthy, watch out for the Giants in the next couple years. Add to that Ron Rivera, who has REALLY impressed me; I don't think I realized how much of the Panthers success was his, through bailing wire and duct tape (speaking of "Belichick/Brady", it's way lesser in the grand scheme of things, but who do you think won the "Rivera/Newton" conversation?). The NFC could be legit again pretty quick.
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I thought Al Michaels got dragged into the nonsense last night since Collinsworth wouldn't shut up about it.
NFC games all look like shit next week, as TB over Wash and NO over Chicago should be no-brainers. And not that Goff is that good, but he's certainly better than their backup, and with his status in doubt, that Rams/Seahawks game could be a snoozer as well. All three AFC games look great, though. I could almost see any of the seven AFC teams getting hot and making a deep playoff run, while in the NFC, only four of the teams have a realistic shot at making the SB (GB, NO, Seattle and TB).
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Aaron Rodgers TD passes this season = 48
JK Scott (Packers punter) punts this season = 46
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Eh, if the Saints and Packers win, and Russell Wilson suffers a career-ending injury, next week will be a win as far as I'm concerned.
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Eh, if the Saints and Packers win, and Russell Wilson suffers a career-ending injury, next week will be a win as far as I'm concerned.
Man I get hating your team’s most successful rival (I root for an AFC East team that isn’t the Patriots after all), but Russell Wilson has been nothing but classy his entire career and he doesn’t deserve that.
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He hasn't lived up to the hype in terms of being the next Tom Brady for someone else, but I think he fits nicely in the scheme in New England. Both Belichick and Newton said they 'wanted more time together' (I think Bill was being kind), but most of New England's trouble is that they require discipline, a discipline that Newton does not now and never did have (I recall Bill Cowher saying something to this effect several years ago, that Cam would never be elite, because he doesn't know what he has to do to improve, and doesn't know how to do it even if he did). I would take either Jim or Carson, frankly, and let Bill work on the rest of the pieces, knowing he didn't have a project at QB.
Both guys are young enough (28 for Wentz, 29 for Jimmy) that they would be able to take their time and groom a second QB in a way they weren't able/willing to do with Brady (though I'm of the opinion that Brady fucked the Patriots in that way).
I'm not sure the future NE quarterback is out or, or at least within their reach right now. I think they're onto something with a mobile QB that can stretch the field. Their running game, along with that o-line was great. The problem was that they were the most 1 dimensional team in the NFL right now because Cam simply can't throw anymore. The only QB in the draft that woudl fit the bill suddenly vaulted up the number 2 pick overall. You can bring in Jimmy G, or Stafford, and they can throw, but you lose a lot of what was their biggest strength right now. I suppose balance is better than one-dimensional, but somebody like DeShaun Watson back there would make them a very scary team.
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Speaking of Cam, it's amazing how quickly his star has fallen. I mean - WOW!!
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He hasn't lived up to the hype in terms of being the next Tom Brady for someone else, but I think he fits nicely in the scheme in New England. Both Belichick and Newton said they 'wanted more time together' (I think Bill was being kind), but most of New England's trouble is that they require discipline, a discipline that Newton does not now and never did have (I recall Bill Cowher saying something to this effect several years ago, that Cam would never be elite, because he doesn't know what he has to do to improve, and doesn't know how to do it even if he did). I would take either Jim or Carson, frankly, and let Bill work on the rest of the pieces, knowing he didn't have a project at QB.
Both guys are young enough (28 for Wentz, 29 for Jimmy) that they would be able to take their time and groom a second QB in a way they weren't able/willing to do with Brady (though I'm of the opinion that Brady fucked the Patriots in that way).
I'm not sure the future NE quarterback is out or, or at least within their reach right now. I think they're onto something with a mobile QB that can stretch the field. Their running game, along with that o-line was great. The problem was that they were the most 1 dimensional team in the NFL right now because Cam simply can't throw anymore. The only QB in the draft that woudl fit the bill suddenly vaulted up the number 2 pick overall. You can bring in Jimmy G, or Stafford, and they can throw, but you lose a lot of what was their biggest strength right now. I suppose balance is better than one-dimensional, but somebody like DeShaun Watson back there would make them a very scary team.
If they were able to get DeShaun Watson, I'd be in heaven. I'm a big fan of his. I don't know if they are willing to pay up like I feel they'd have to, though.
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DeShaun Watson is great. Any team would be lucky to have him.
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He hasn't lived up to the hype in terms of being the next Tom Brady for someone else, but I think he fits nicely in the scheme in New England. Both Belichick and Newton said they 'wanted more time together' (I think Bill was being kind), but most of New England's trouble is that they require discipline, a discipline that Newton does not now and never did have (I recall Bill Cowher saying something to this effect several years ago, that Cam would never be elite, because he doesn't know what he has to do to improve, and doesn't know how to do it even if he did). I would take either Jim or Carson, frankly, and let Bill work on the rest of the pieces, knowing he didn't have a project at QB.
Both guys are young enough (28 for Wentz, 29 for Jimmy) that they would be able to take their time and groom a second QB in a way they weren't able/willing to do with Brady (though I'm of the opinion that Brady fucked the Patriots in that way).
I'm not sure the future NE quarterback is out or, or at least within their reach right now. I think they're onto something with a mobile QB that can stretch the field. Their running game, along with that o-line was great. The problem was that they were the most 1 dimensional team in the NFL right now because Cam simply can't throw anymore. The only QB in the draft that woudl fit the bill suddenly vaulted up the number 2 pick overall. You can bring in Jimmy G, or Stafford, and they can throw, but you lose a lot of what was their biggest strength right now. I suppose balance is better than one-dimensional, but somebody like DeShaun Watson back there would make them a very scary team.
If they were able to get DeShaun Watson, I'd be in heaven. I'm a big fan of his. I don't know if they are willing to pay up like I feel they'd have to, though.
Houston would never let him go. I was just throwing him out there as the sort of guy that they need, but won't be able to find. That said, Bill does tend to find useful people late in the draft, so there's certainly the possibility that some guy we've never heard of comes in and does what they need. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see Jacoby Brisset back in the fold.
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Can New England afford DeShaun? I thought they would be in salary cap hell for years to come.
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I'd gladly take Watson on my team over Daniel Jones. I don't think Jones is a winner. He just doesn't have "it" IMO.
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Can New England afford DeShaun? I thought they would be in salary cap hell for years to come.
After this year NE should be in pretty good cap position. That's not the point, though. Watson is never going to happen. He's married to Houston for the foreseeable future.
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I'd gladly take Watson on my team over Daniel Jones. I don't think Jones is a winner. He just doesn't have "it" IMO.
I don't disagree overall. But something to consider: Before Brady took over as a starter, nobody thought he had "it" either.
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I'd gladly take Watson on my team over Daniel Jones. I don't think Jones is a winner. He just doesn't have "it" IMO.
I don't disagree overall. But something to consider: Before Brady took over as a starter, nobody thought he had "it" either.
Sure, but DJ has close to 2 full seasons played now. There was a point this season where I thought he was starting to turn the corner only to just relapse and with their OL significantly improving, seeing him not improve as well kind of signals he may have hit his ceiling. Hard to tell with new coaches and a covid year so all this plays a role, but if I'm the Giants, I would be keeping my eyes open for the next QB sooner than later. Their best win was also with Colt McCoy at QB. If DJ could just stop turning the ball over, he wouldn't need to have "it" and the defense/run game could win games, but that strategy falls flat if you keep giving the opposing team the ball. The team has a solid defense and improved their worst part (OL) significantly this year. A stud WR and a capable QB would make the Giants pretty good IMO. Also, if I never watched him play and just looked at his stats, I'd say he SUCKS, but I've watched enough to say he's not that bad, he just hasn't shown any signs of being good either.
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My predictions are never right :lol, but what the hell?
1st round:
NO over Chicago
Seattle over LA Rams
TB over Washington
Buffalo over Indy
Pittsburgh over Cleveland
Baltimore over Tennessee
2nd round:
TB over GB
NO over Seattle
Baltimore over KC
Buffalo over Pittsburgh
Conference Finals
NO over TB
Baltimore over Buffalo
Super Bowl:
NO over Baltimore, with Drew Brees retiring this offseason as a champion.
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Yeah, I'll play! (although my picks look very similar)
1st round:
Saints over Bears
Seahawks over Rams
Bucs over Redskins
Bills over Colts
Steelers over Browns
Ravens over Titans
2nd round:
Bucs over Packers
Saints over Seahawks
Chiefs over Ravens
Bills over Steelers
Conference Finals
Saints over Bucs
Bills over Chiefs
Super Bowl:
Saints over Bills
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I am rooting for the Bills!
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So you guys think the Bucs are going into Green Bay and winning?
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I don't think so but I'd love to see it.
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So you guys think the Bucs are going into Green Bay and winning?
This. No way the Pack let their guard down again like they did during that terrible game, especially at home.
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Is Brees even healthy enough? I didn't see any highlights from yesterday, but last week, he couldn't even throw.
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Super Bowl:
NO over Baltimore, with Drew Brees retiring this offseason as a champion.
In my heart, I would love to see that. Sentimentally, I'm a huge Brees fan; he's a class act, a quality guy, and while I don't believe in "deserve", if I did, he'd be at the top of the list. For me, it's about winning, and while a Super Bowl is the holy grail, "Two" is where you really establish greatness, and Brees has certainly earned that.
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Is Brees even healthy enough? I didn't see any highlights from yesterday, but last week, he couldn't even throw.
Healthy? No. Healthy enough? I think so. It's the playoffs. I think he'll answer. If I'm analyzing the Saints, I'm worried about Kamara and Thomas, especially Thomas. He is a game-changer for that offense.
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My predictions:
WILDCARD
Buffalo over Indy
Cleveland over Pittsburgh (I know it's unlikely, but hey, it can happen!)
Baltimore over Tennessee
Tampa Bay over WFT
New Orleans over Chicago
Seattle over the Rams
DIVISION
Buffalo over Baltimore
Kansas City over Cleveland
Green Bay over Tampa Bay
Seattle over New Orleans
CONFERENCE
Buffalo over Kansas City
Green Bay over Seattle
SUPERBOWL
Buffalo over Green Bay
Buffalo is freakin' scary good right now. I don't see anyone beating them.
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Buffalo is on a roll, but they remind me right now of the 1993 Houston Oilers, who were also a pass-heavy team that rolled into the playoffs seemingly on an unstoppable roll and then lost their first playoff game at home. The Bills lack of a running game could be a big problem, as you can't always throw it all over the place in the playoffs. They were only 20th in the NFL in rushing, and that is counting Josh Allen's 421 yards on the ground.
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Buffalo is on a roll, but they remind me right now of the 1993 Houston Oilers, who were also a pass-heavy team that rolled into the playoffs seemingly on an unstoppable roll and then lost their first playoff game at home. The Bills lack of a running game could be a big problem, as you can't always throw it all over the place in the playoffs. They were only 20th in the NFL in rushing, and that is counting Josh Allen's 421 yards on the ground.
This is a great point. Defense wins championships (though that's less and less true in recent years). But when you have a face-off of two offensive powerhouses, the odds favor that defense that can force the offense to do something they're not comfortable in doing.
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Is Brees even healthy enough? I didn't see any highlights from yesterday, but last week, he couldn't even throw.
Healthy? No. Healthy enough? I think so. It's the playoffs. I think he'll answer.
When has he answered before when he was healthy?
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The Browns can't catch a break. The HC, 2 assistants and 2 players all have tested positive for the covids. :omg:
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Is Brees even healthy enough? I didn't see any highlights from yesterday, but last week, he couldn't even throw.
Healthy? No. Healthy enough? I think so. It's the playoffs. I think he'll answer. If I'm analyzing the Saints, I'm worried about Kamara and Thomas, especially Thomas. He is a game-changer for that offense.
Not to mention that D. As you said, defense wins championships, and I think with the weapons they have on offense, plus a highly motivated Brees, they'll be alright. I had NOLA over KC in the SB back in September, and while it's looking a tiny bit less likely now, I still think it's a solid call.
Tampa got lucky to get WTF in the first round. A legit playoff team makes them look like clowns, I think. And in the end, a butt-ugly pick and a couple of hilarious penalties will do that to them, anyway.
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Tampa got lucky to get WTF in the first round. A legit playoff team makes them look like clowns, I think. And in the end, a butt-ugly pick and a couple of hilarious penalties will do that to them, anyway.
Was that typo deliberate? :rollin
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Of course it is. LOL
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The Browns can't catch a break. The HC, 2 assistants and 2 players all have tested positive for the covids. :omg:
Damn.
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The Browns can't catch a break. The HC, 2 assistants and 2 players all have tested positive for the covids. :omg:
If they're lucky (or clever) they keep getting more cases. The league won't postpone the game for a contained outbreak, but if there's a possibility they could infect the other team they will.
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The Browns can't catch a break. The HC, 2 assistants and 2 players all have tested positive for the covids. :omg:
If they're lucky (or clever) they keep getting more cases. The league won't postpone the game for a contained outbreak, but if there's a possibility they could infect the other team they will.
I love the way your evil mind thinks! :hat
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Has the NFL stated publicly a plan if there does need to be a postponement? Wouldn't that really hurt the playoffs as a whole? I'm not entirely sure delaying that game benefits who ever wins it if they have to turn around and play again in a couple days or something.
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Has the NFL stated publicly a plan if there does need to be a postponement? Wouldn't that really hurt the playoffs as a whole? I'm not entirely sure delaying that game benefits who ever wins it if they have to turn around and play again in a couple days or something.
No - there is no plan to postpone anything. There's too much at stake and the powers that be are going to play these games come hell or highwater.
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Yeah, the reality is that the NFL would just forfeit the game to Pittsburgh. And it might well come to that.
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Tampa got lucky to get WTF in the first round. A legit playoff team makes them look like clowns, I think. And in the end, a butt-ugly pick and a couple of hilarious penalties will do that to them, anyway.
A couple of guys at work today, both of whom are admittedly major Brady haters (pretty sure they are still bitter about the Rams losing to them in '01), pointed out that this just proves that Brady is the luckiest QB ever. He has never had to play on the road in the first weekend of the playoffs before, and when he finally does, it's against a 6-10 division winner. I wish I had 1% of his luck. :lol :lol
Note: this is not questioning his greatness, Brady SuperFans. :P You can be both lucky and great at the same time.
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Tampa got lucky to get WTF in the first round. A legit playoff team makes them look like clowns, I think. And in the end, a butt-ugly pick and a couple of hilarious penalties will do that to them, anyway.
A couple of guys at work today, both of whom are admittedly major Brady haters (pretty sure they are still bitter about the Rams losing to them in '01), pointed out that this just proves that Brady is the luckiest QB ever. He has never had to play on the road in the first weekend of the playoffs before, and when he finally does, it's against a 6-10 division winner. I wish I had 1% of his luck. :lol :lol
Note: this is not questioning his greatness, Brady SuperFans. :P You can be both lucky and great at the same time.
Well, that and 2 of the teams that have already beaten him have injured QBs (though Goff wasn’t playing great anyway) and another (Rodgers) lost his All-Pro left tackle to an injury in PRACTICE. But the Bucs would be a tough out anyway with that receiving corps and stout D-Line.
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Tampa got lucky to get WTF in the first round. A legit playoff team makes them look like clowns, I think. And in the end, a butt-ugly pick and a couple of hilarious penalties will do that to them, anyway.
A couple of guys at work today, both of whom are admittedly major Brady haters (pretty sure they are still bitter about the Rams losing to them in '01), pointed out that this just proves that Brady is the luckiest QB ever. He has never had to play on the road in the first weekend of the playoffs before, and when he finally does, it's against a 6-10 division winner. I wish I had 1% of his luck. :lol :lol
Note: this is not questioning his greatness, Brady SuperFans. :P You can be both lucky and great at the same time.
Besides being a NYG fan, one reason I was hoping to see them make the playoffs would be for a potential Brady upset again.
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With Mike Evans potentially out, it could set up a much closer game for the Bucs. I would LOVE to see them lose. But I’d almost rather see the Packers get revenge on them the following week.
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With Mike Evans potentially out, it could set up a much closer game for the Bucs. I would LOVE to see them lose. But I’d almost rather see the Packers get revenge on them the following week.
The Washington front four should be able to cause some issues and keep it from getting ugly, but I don't think their offense will be able to score enough to pull the upset. Throwing is how you can beat the Bucs D, and the WFT doesn't have enough good receivers to fully take advantage of that.
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Exactly. They will not be able to score enough. A team like N.O. gas and can do that.
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I've seen plenty of quarterbacks that think they're halfbacks, but I've never seen one that thought he was Larry Csonka before. This kid's gonna need to learn to slide if he's going to survive in the NFL. That said, he's a very high risk/high reward player and NE could conceivably get him, though it'd likely mean trading up a couple of picks. He has very little experience, but what he's shown is promising, and he's exactly what the Patriots seem to be looking for. If JMD were still around next year (doubtful) they'd make a pretty good match. While he does seem to be more run oriented, he's got very good accuracy on the deep ball. I wouldn't say that he's got touch, but he certainly gets it where it needs to be. Most importantly, in his year as a starter, he had a 28/0 TD to INT ratio, with 2800 yards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRODmLBT5G0
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The Bills host their first playoff game in over 24 years today. :eek :eek
Peter King should be punched for giving Cole Beasley an All-Pro vote at WR (his logic sorta made sense, but he should know better), but I always like looking at those to see who the best of the best was. Not surprising that Aaron Donald and Travis Kelce were the only unanimous picks.
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The Bills host their first playoff game in over 24 years today. :eek :eek
Peter King should be punched for giving Cole Beasley an All-Pro vote at WR (his logic sorta made sense, but he should know better), but I always like looking at those to see who the best of the best was. Not surprising that Aaron Donald and Travis Kelce were the only unanimous picks.
I am quietly rooting for a Bills/WFT Super Bowl. I really like Josh Allen and I REALLY admire Alex Smith and Ron Rivera. :metal
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Just go back to 1992.
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The Bills host their first playoff game in over 24 years today. :eek :eek
Peter King should be punched for giving Cole Beasley an All-Pro vote at WR (his logic sorta made sense, but he should know better), but I always like looking at those to see who the best of the best was. Not surprising that Aaron Donald and Travis Kelce were the only unanimous picks.
I am quietly rooting for a Bills/WFT Super Bowl. I really like Josh Allen and I REALLY admire Alex Smith and Ron Rivera. :metal
It's kind of against the grain for me, growing up a Giants fan, but in an age of spoiled children posing as professional athletes worrying about their "brand", Ron Rivera and Alex Smith are a refreshing change.
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Indy has looked like the better team for most of this game, yet are going to trail going into halftime. Josh Allen has made about half a dozen schoolyard plays out of nothing. I still can't believe how good he is now.
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As much as I hate to say this, I’m rooting for Buffalo. Between the Bills and Sabres, fans in that city have suffered through so much heartbreak, never getting to see their teams with the big one despite their town being the invention place of arguably the most popular gameday food in the country. Josh Allen is a special player, and the Bills have put together a great team. Buffalo deserves a ticker tape parade, and even though they’re one of my team’s division rivals, I’d be happy to see the Bills be the team to bring a championship to their city.
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Indy has looked like the better team for most of this game, yet are going to trail going into halftime. Josh Allen has made about half a dozen schoolyard plays out of nothing. I still can't believe how good he is now.
He's no Patrick Mahomes. ;)
The Colts are not a good second half team, and you have the momentum killer of the botched 4th down play and Josh Allen marching down for the score (with some help from a BAD penalty and some officiating help).
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I'd love to see the Bill win it as well. After four SB losses and their drought of the last quarter century, would be cool to see their fans finally get a championship.
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The Colts are not a good second half team, and you have the momentum killer of the botched 4th down play and Josh Allen marching down for the score (with some help from a BAD penalty and some officiating help).
The 4th down play would have worked had Rivers not overthrown Pittman.
But I HATED the 3rd down play call. I hate when any team runs a toss sweep when all you need is a yard, but if you know you are going for it on 4th down, FFS don't run a toss sweep on 3rd down!!! :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Man...the Bills are just trying to lose this game. Giving up 82 fucking yards on 3 runs in the fourth quarter alone plus a TD where the nearest Bills DB was in Rochester. The Chargers' last two TD drives took 4:33 COMBINED.
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Jesus Christ, Josh Allen, what the fuck are you doing? It's bad enough taking a sack because you took too long to react but then to not throw the ball away, take an even worse sack, AND fumble?! If they lose this, I fear for a longer residual effect because teams with such a prolonged history of being snakebitten tend to get hit harder by this kind of thing.
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It'll be a cold day in hell before the first Bills tackler actually makes the tackle.
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Why would I expect the first Bill to make that 4th and 1 tackle?
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How many more horrible and game-changing calls are the refs gonna get away with? This is just pathetic. We saw it, the CBS commentators saw it. I'm coming pretty close to finally leaving this shitshow of tampering for good.
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Man, it's just hard to beat playoff football.
That was probably a catch and a fumble, but I absolutely thought the down by contact was too close to overrule the call on the field.
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How many more horrible and game-changing calls are the refs gonna get away with? This is just pathetic. We saw it, the CBS commentators saw it. I'm coming pretty close to finally leaving this shitshow of tampering for good.
You should. You've been convinced for years that this is WWE style scripted. I can't figure out why you still watch it.
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How many more horrible and game-changing calls are the refs gonna get away with? This is just pathetic. We saw it, the CBS commentators saw it. I'm coming pretty close to finally leaving this shitshow of tampering for good.
You should. You've been convinced for years that this is WWE style scripted. I can't figure out why you still watch it.
I know. But I'd hate to miss a Saints SB. Also, there wasn't a single frame showing a Bills player making contact with the Colts receiver while his knee was down. What actual empirical data are you basing this "too close to overrule" angle on?
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How many more horrible and game-changing calls are the refs gonna get away with? This is just pathetic. We saw it, the CBS commentators saw it. I'm coming pretty close to finally leaving this shitshow of tampering for good.
In the playoffs the close calls just don’t get overturned, and honestly I like that better. Let the guys play. At the end of the day, the Bills defense tightened up exactly when they had to, and now they get to show what they’re made of next week hosting either Pittsburgh, Tennessee, or Baltimore. I still believe that Buffalo is the only team in the AFC with a real chance of beating the Chiefs in Kansas City, and they’re also one of two teams in the conference, along with Cleveland, that I’m pulling for to end their fandom’s years of heartbreak.
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How many more horrible and game-changing calls are the refs gonna get away with? This is just pathetic. We saw it, the CBS commentators saw it. I'm coming pretty close to finally leaving this shitshow of tampering for good.
You should. You've been convinced for years that this is WWE style scripted. I can't figure out why you still watch it.
I know. But I'd hate to miss a Saints SB. Also, there wasn't a single frame showing a Bills player making contact with the Colts receiver while his knee was down. What actual empirical data are you basing this "too close to overrule" angle on?
Funny you mention frames. I'd expect them to be running 120 FPS or something. That dude's hand moved 4 inches between frames on the replay.
Your analysis is backwards. It was called a catch. You don't need evidence to uphold it, you need evidence to overturn it. I didn't see enough empirical data to overturn it. And like TCoNYC says, it's playoff football. You don't end the game on something that close.
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How many more horrible and game-changing calls are the refs gonna get away with? This is just pathetic. We saw it, the CBS commentators saw it. I'm coming pretty close to finally leaving this shitshow of tampering for good.
In the playoffs the close calls just don’t get overturned, and honestly I like that better.
1. This is a horrible opinion. Nothing should ever directly compromise the integrity of officiating.
2. Like I asked Bart, where is any evidence of this being a close call. They replayed it at least 6 or 7 times and not once did they produce a single frame showing the Bills player touching the guy with his knee down. Also, both commentators and their former ref lackey dude all agreed. That almost never happens and it sure as shit wouldn't happen on a play with any actual grey area since the ref lackey dudes constantly side with the initial bad ref call in order to protect the shield.
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How many more horrible and game-changing calls are the refs gonna get away with? This is just pathetic. We saw it, the CBS commentators saw it. I'm coming pretty close to finally leaving this shitshow of tampering for good.
You should. You've been convinced for years that this is WWE style scripted. I can't figure out why you still watch it.
I know. But I'd hate to miss a Saints SB. Also, there wasn't a single frame showing a Bills player making contact with the Colts receiver while his knee was down. What actual empirical data are you basing this "too close to overrule" angle on?
Funny you mention frames. I'd expect them to be running 120 FPS or something. That dude's hand moved 4 inches between frames on the replay.
Your analysis is backwards. It was called a catch. You don't need evidence to uphold it, you need evidence to overturn it. I didn't see enough empirical data to overturn it. And like TCoNYC says, it's playoff football. You don't end the game on something that close.
There is literally zero precedence of the NFL ever using phantom evidence occurring between frames in order to make a call so you're gonna have to try harder than that.
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How many more horrible and game-changing calls are the refs gonna get away with? This is just pathetic. We saw it, the CBS commentators saw it. I'm coming pretty close to finally leaving this shitshow of tampering for good.
You should. You've been convinced for years that this is WWE style scripted. I can't figure out why you still watch it.
I know. But I'd hate to miss a Saints SB. Also, there wasn't a single frame showing a Bills player making contact with the Colts receiver while his knee was down. What actual empirical data are you basing this "too close to overrule" angle on?
Funny you mention frames. I'd expect them to be running 120 FPS or something. That dude's hand moved 4 inches between frames on the replay.
Your analysis is backwards. It was called a catch. You don't need evidence to uphold it, you need evidence to overturn it. I didn't see enough empirical data to overturn it. And like TCoNYC says, it's playoff football. You don't end the game on something that close.
There is literally zero precedence of the NFL ever using phantom evidence occurring between frames in order to make a call so you're gonna have to try harder than that.
No. I don't. I don't have to prove shit. You have to prove that he wasn't down by contact to overturn the call.
And seriously, dude, don't bother. It's not worth your time or energy. WWE has people getting hit by chairs and hot chicks with big fake knockers. Stick with that.
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How many more horrible and game-changing calls are the refs gonna get away with? This is just pathetic. We saw it, the CBS commentators saw it. I'm coming pretty close to finally leaving this shitshow of tampering for good.
You should. You've been convinced for years that this is WWE style scripted. I can't figure out why you still watch it.
I know. But I'd hate to miss a Saints SB. Also, there wasn't a single frame showing a Bills player making contact with the Colts receiver while his knee was down. What actual empirical data are you basing this "too close to overrule" angle on?
Funny you mention frames. I'd expect them to be running 120 FPS or something. That dude's hand moved 4 inches between frames on the replay.
Your analysis is backwards. It was called a catch. You don't need evidence to uphold it, you need evidence to overturn it. I didn't see enough empirical data to overturn it. And like TCoNYC says, it's playoff football. You don't end the game on something that close.
There is literally zero precedence of the NFL ever using phantom evidence occurring between frames in order to make a call so you're gonna have to try harder than that.
No. I don't. I don't have to prove shit. You have to prove that he wasn't down by contact to overturn the call.
And seriously, dude, don't bother. It's not worth your time or energy. WWE has people getting hit by chairs and hot chicks with big fake knockers. Stick with that.
Sasha Banks! Sorry, wrong thread. :)
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Glad to see the Bills hung on and won despite that call near the end seemingly being very wrong, and good to see that not every team flounders when a questionable call goes against them. *cough* Saints *cough* :P :P
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Glad to see the Bills hung on and won despite that call near the end seemingly being very wrong, and good to see that not every team flounders when a questionable call goes against them. *cough* Saints *cough* :P :P
That missed pass interference call is still inexcusable.
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The Bills game was fun. The Rams game not so much (although the outcome was excellent). Hoping the TB/Wash game will be a good one.
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Packers will either play the rams or the bears.
Which means they’ll play the rams.
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If (when) Tampa wins tonight, they have a shot at being the first wild card team to host a playoff game since the realignment in 2002. If the Bears get past the Saints, the Bucs would host the Rams.
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Apologies to any LA fans (because I'd be the first to say that the only thing that matters is the win), but as a casual observer with no real stake in the game, that game was BO-RING. The only real highlight besides the pick six was DJ Metcalf acting like a child on the sideline.
Another casual observation: John Wolford looks like a character out of Game Of Thrones who dressed as a football player for All Hallow's Eve.
Unrelated (well, not really) but anyone miss the days of the coaches wearing suits and ties? Or at least sweaters and slacks?
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I didn't see much of the Rams/Seahawks game, but I wasn't surprised by the result. Seattle has been trending down for a while, and the Rams usually seem to play their best games against them (the game last month notwithstanding).
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This kid playing QB for Washington is a fucking gamer.
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This kid playing QB for Washington is a fucking gamer.
I'm not all that sentimental when it comes to sports; you know me, I don't hop on a lot of bandwagons (Mahomes). But Washington is a different organization with Ron Rivera in charge. And with this kid leaving it all on the field, it's hard not to root for them, especially over a team with guys like Antonio Brown and Mdominic Suh.
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Mahomes ain't a bandwagon, it's a train. You can sit next to me! ;D
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Mahomes is not a abnormally Stads.
Kid is the real deal.
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Stads I understand why you don’t want to declare Mahomes the GOAT yet as that would be ridiculous, but you can’t tell me after watching the guy ball out for three years straight no matter who he plays against that you don’t think he’s at the very least one of the best playing right now.
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Stads I understand why you don’t want to declare Mahomes the GOAT yet as that would be ridiculous, but you can’t tell me after watching the guy ball out for three years straight no matter who he plays against that you don’t think he’s at the very least one of the best playing right now.
Don't talk to him. Just stick a needle in your eye. It'll be less painful. ;D
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Man what a gutsy performance by Trevor Heinicke. He went blow for blow with Tom Brady, and had it not been for a few bad drops by his receivers and his defense not making the stops they needed to, he might have come out with the huge upset victory. The dude has my respect.
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While I agree he played great, Tampa had even more drops. Imagine barely going over 50% and almost throwing 400 yards with 2 TD's?
Bill Belichick should be shamed.
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While I agree he played great, Tampa had even more drops. Imagine barely going over 50% and almost throwing 400 yards with 2 TD's?
Bill Belichick should be shamed.
I know your feelings on this, but Brady on the Patriots in 2020 wouldn't have made a big difference. Sure, they probably still would have won 9-10 games instead of 6, but with their lack of weapons, they weren't a playoff team this season with any QB.
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So you again point out the failure of the GM. Oh wait...
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While I agree he played great, Tampa had even more drops. Imagine barely going over 50% and almost throwing 400 yards with 2 TD's?
Bill Belichick should be shamed.
Bill just needs to adjust how he coaches and builds the team to fit in with the way the game works today. He can’t be such a hardass about things anymore, as the success of a team has less to do with the coaches than it used to, and he pushed away his two best offensive players ever. Belichick is still the greatest coach of all time, and if anyone can turn things around quickly it’s him. He just has to be willing to adjust the way he does business.
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Yes, he has done a poor job in getting good skill position players. Belichick the GM has let down Belichick the coach. It's crazy that for all of his greatness, he is so bad at drafting wide receivers. Kind of like Elway when it comes to drafting quarterbacks... :facepalm: :facepalm: :censored :censored
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Building the team is the issue. He flaunts here this year that he sold out the last four years.
That's rich seeing what other teams have done and his best player couldn't get 25 million a year for 2 years.
Kev, I feel your pain. :lol
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How many more horrible and game-changing calls are the refs gonna get away with? This is just pathetic. We saw it, the CBS commentators saw it. I'm coming pretty close to finally leaving this shitshow of tampering for good.
You should. You've been convinced for years that this is WWE style scripted. I can't figure out why you still watch it.
I know. But I'd hate to miss a Saints SB. Also, there wasn't a single frame showing a Bills player making contact with the Colts receiver while his knee was down. What actual empirical data are you basing this "too close to overrule" angle on?
Funny you mention frames. I'd expect them to be running 120 FPS or something. That dude's hand moved 4 inches between frames on the replay.
Your analysis is backwards. It was called a catch. You don't need evidence to uphold it, you need evidence to overturn it. I didn't see enough empirical data to overturn it. And like TCoNYC says, it's playoff football. You don't end the game on something that close.
There is literally zero precedence of the NFL ever using phantom evidence occurring between frames in order to make a call so you're gonna have to try harder than that.
No. I don't. I don't have to prove shit. You have to prove that he wasn't down by contact to overturn the call.
They literally proved it 6 or 7 times with frame by frame replay plus the in-house former ref dude, without hesitation, agreed that the refs blew the initial call. What else is necessary, a signed affidavit from the Colts receiver stating that he fumbled?
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Building the team is the issue. He flaunts here this year that he sold out the last four years.
That's rich seeing what other teams have done and his best player couldn't get 25 million a year for 2 years.
Kev, I feel your pain. :lol
Just goes to show you that even the best coaches need players. Look at Popovich in basketball. As awesome as he was/is, since Tim Duncan retired, he has two playoff series wins in four years (both of which came the year after Duncan retired, when the rest of the core of that team was still mostly in place).
And in true "Brady is great and also the luckiest ever" fashion, the Bucs are now a Bears upset today away from being the first wild card team to ever host a divisional round game at home. I am almost expecting it to happen. :lol :lol
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If the Bears get past the Saints, the Bucs would host the Rams.
Ah crap. Either way the Rams are screwed.
I'm sad the Seahawks lost but cool with the Rams winning.
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Stads I understand why you don’t want to declare Mahomes the GOAT yet as that would be ridiculous, but you can’t tell me after watching the guy ball out for three years straight no matter who he plays against that you don’t think he’s at the very least one of the best playing right now.
Of course he is. That would be ridiculous to say otherwise. I've said that. That's not the narrative, though. I don't object to Mahomes himself (though he's not my favorite; I prefer Brees, Rogers, Jackson, and Mayfield, though I'm not suggesting the latter two are "better", I just like watching them play), I object to the anointing.
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While I agree he played great, Tampa had even more drops. Imagine barely going over 50% and almost throwing 400 yards with 2 TD's?
Bill Belichick should be shamed.
Bill just needs to adjust how he coaches and builds the team to fit in with the way the game works today. He can’t be such a hardass about things anymore, as the success of a team has less to do with the coaches than it used to, and he pushed away his two best offensive players ever. Belichick is still the greatest coach of all time, and if anyone can turn things around quickly it’s him. He just has to be willing to adjust the way he does business.
I think we all should agree that it is a combo of player and coach. And that combo has to be in synch. I think the notion that it's "one or the other", and this was a "contest" was stupid to begin with, but that's the way the majority of the world tihnks. Black, white, yes, no, there's no middle ground, no complexity. The talent level on the Buccanneers - other than QB (though certainly there too) - SMOKES the Patriots at every position, except MAYBE in the defensive secondary. And yet, they're not going to the Super Bowl (IMO), and if they do, they're almost certainly not winning it.
If one INSISTS on comparing, I say, wait till Brady retires, and compare over that span from when he left. The totality of the work.
Oh, and apparently the honeymoon is over/ending. Heinecke I guess has said some things supporting Trump, so now he sucks and doesn't deserve his spot on the team.
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Not that I don't think Mahomes is awesome, but it is a bit noteworthy that this is now the 2nd year in a row that he was not the 1st team All-Pro QB. If he was the "OMG, HE WILL BE THE GOAT" player like a few are suggesting already, shouldn't he be sweeping the awards every year? I will say this: he is not always going to have both Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill, and I will be curious to see how he does once his skill position players aren't better than everyone else's. Jeez, now I sound like Stadler. :lol :facepalm: :biggrin:
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How many more horrible and game-changing calls are the refs gonna get away with? This is just pathetic. We saw it, the CBS commentators saw it. I'm coming pretty close to finally leaving this shitshow of tampering for good.
You should. You've been convinced for years that this is WWE style scripted. I can't figure out why you still watch it.
I know. But I'd hate to miss a Saints SB. Also, there wasn't a single frame showing a Bills player making contact with the Colts receiver while his knee was down. What actual empirical data are you basing this "too close to overrule" angle on?
Funny you mention frames. I'd expect them to be running 120 FPS or something. That dude's hand moved 4 inches between frames on the replay.
Your analysis is backwards. It was called a catch. You don't need evidence to uphold it, you need evidence to overturn it. I didn't see enough empirical data to overturn it. And like TCoNYC says, it's playoff football. You don't end the game on something that close.
There is literally zero precedence of the NFL ever using phantom evidence occurring between frames in order to make a call so you're gonna have to try harder than that.
No. I don't. I don't have to prove shit. You have to prove that he wasn't down by contact to overturn the call.
They literally proved it 6 or 7 times with frame by frame replay plus the in-house former ref dude, without hesitation, agreed that the refs blew the initial call. What else is necessary, a signed affidavit from the Colts receiver stating that he fumbled?
I shouldn't stick my nose in, but you are sort of arguing oranges to El Barto's apples. It's not about whether the call was, objectively and in absolute terms, "right". It's about the standard for CHANGING it. The deference is to the call on the field, in real time, by the officials paid to make the call. If the replay is CLEAR, that is to say, there is NO (or little) gray area, it gets overturned. If New York looks at it and says "well, it MIGHT be a blown call", that's not (according to the standard) enough.
If the call on the field is "he was touched", and the booth says "well, I didn't see the touch, but I didn't see the NOT touch either", then the play stands. The last (I think it was the last) Washington TD (did he juggle, did he not juggle) falls in the same category.
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Not that I don't think Mahomes is awesome, but it is a bit noteworthy that this is now the 2nd year in a row that he was not the 1st team All-Pro QB. If he was the "OMG, HE WILL BE THE GOAT" player like a few are suggesting already, shouldn't he be sweeping the awards every year? I will say this: he is not always going to have both Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill, and I will be curious to see how he does once his skill position players aren't better than everyone else's. Jeez, now I sound like Stadler. :lol :facepalm: :biggrin:
Thats because I've written the exact same thing multiple times. It feels good, doesn't it. DOESN'T it!?! :) :). But I'm with you 100%. He doesn't even have to do it for 20 years like Brady; just give me ten - at least one cycle through the skill players - and I'm with you. I don't HATE the guy, he's just Kurt Warner circa 2000 right now (and for the record, Kurt Warner is one of my favorite players of all time. I LOVE that guy.)
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Not that I don't think Mahomes is awesome, but it is a bit noteworthy that this is now the 2nd year in a row that he was not the 1st team All-Pro QB. If he was the "OMG, HE WILL BE THE GOAT" player like a few are suggesting already, shouldn't he be sweeping the awards every year? I will say this: he is not always going to have both Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill, and I will be curious to see how he does once his skill position players aren't better than everyone else's. Jeez, now I sound like Stadler. :lol :facepalm: :biggrin:
Thats because I've written the exact same thing multiple times. It feels good, doesn't it. DOESN'T it!?! :) :). But I'm with you 100%. He doesn't even have to do it for 20 years like Brady; just give me ten - at least one cycle through the skill players - and I'm with you. I don't HATE the guy, he's just Kurt Warner circa 2000 right now (and for the record, Kurt Warner is one of my favorite players of all time. I LOVE that guy.)
Haha, I almost added the Kurt Warner comparison to my post. ;)
Warner was unbelievable those three years with the Rams, but of course he had Faulk, Bruce and Holt (three Hall of Famers when it will all be said and done) and a Pro Bowl LT (Orlando Pace). Not saying any QB can do well if you surround him with unreal talent, but it sure does help a lot, unless you're Jameis Winston circa 2019. :lol
The luck factor can never be discounted as well. Through a little over 3 quarters in last year's Super Bowl, Mahomes had the look of "overhyped QB who shit the bed in the Super Bowl," but his defense held down the fort until he finally made some plays and boom they win the game and he is the hero. Had the KC defense turtled like the Broncos defense did in SB49 against the Seahawks, it might have been 34-10 in the 4th quarter and Mahomes goes down as the goat (not the possible future GOAT).
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Not that I don't think Mahomes is awesome, but it is a bit noteworthy that this is now the 2nd year in a row that he was not the 1st team All-Pro QB. If he was the "OMG, HE WILL BE THE GOAT" player like a few are suggesting already, shouldn't he be sweeping the awards every year? I will say this: he is not always going to have both Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill, and I will be curious to see how he does once his skill position players aren't better than everyone else's. Jeez, now I sound like Stadler. :lol :facepalm: :biggrin:
Thats because I've written the exact same thing multiple times. It feels good, doesn't it. DOESN'T it!?! :) :). But I'm with you 100%. He doesn't even have to do it for 20 years like Brady; just give me ten - at least one cycle through the skill players - and I'm with you. I don't HATE the guy, he's just Kurt Warner circa 2000 right now (and for the record, Kurt Warner is one of my favorite players of all time. I LOVE that guy.)
Haha, I almost added the Kurt Warner comparison to my post. ;)
Warner was unbelievable those three years with the Rams, but of course he had Faulk, Bruce and Holt (three Hall of Famers when it will all be said and done) and a Pro Bowl LT (Orlando Pace). Not saying any QB can do well if you surround him with unreal talent, but it sure does help a lot, unless you're Jameis Winston circa 2019. :lol
The luck factor can never be discounted as well. Through a little over 3 quarters in last year's Super Bowl, Mahomes had the look of "overhyped QB who shit the bed in the Super Bowl," but his defense held down the fort until he finally made some plays and boom they win the game and he is the hero. Had the KC defense turtled like the Broncos defense did in SB49 against the Seahawks, it might have been 34-10 in the 4th quarter and Mahomes goes down as the goat (not the possible future GOAT).
I got to admit, Kurt Warner is my man-crush. From going to a grocery store stocker to a Super Bowl QB AND taking another franchise to a Super Bowl? That's a movie just waiting to be made! :metal
As far as the talent around him, well that's a given as no one player can get a team to a SB in the game of football. Think Archie Manning - incredily talented for a stinky NO franchise.
P-Mahomes to me seems like a slow starter in some games last season and also this season. But he DOES come through!
As far as P-Mahomes - I have to give them props
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I’m sorry, but Lamar Jackson is NOT a good quarterback. If it wasn’t for his running skills, he would be worthless.
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The NFL needs to create "late hit" and "illegal contact" penalties so that it isn't a 15-yard personal foul every time a d-lineman bumps a QB who just threw a pass and knocks the QB down or a d-lineman who makes incidental contact with the QB's helmet.
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I got to admit, Kurt Warner is my man-crush. From going to a grocery store stocker to a Super Bowl QB AND taking another franchise to a Super Bowl? That's a movie just waiting to be made! :metal
As far as the talent around him, well that's a given as no one player can get a team to a SB in the game of football. Think Archie Manning - incredily talented for a stinky NO franchise.
P-Mahomes to me seems like a slow starter in some games last season and also this season. But he DOES come through!
As far as P-Mahomes - I have to give them props
The best part of Kurt Warner? He's the Giants QB, they start slow, and bench him for Eli, who does NOT light it up. Yet, he never complained, never went to the press, never did anything other than be a team player and help make Eli the best he could be. Sure, he left after a season, but he did it with class and aplomb.
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Awesome game by the Ravens D. They dominated in the trenches and shut down D. Henry, and their offense did just enough to win the game.
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So... this is for El Barto, going back to our DeShaun Watson discussion.
So the Texans signed Nick Caserio to be GM. Belichick went out of his way to praise Caserio and build him up. In Houston, when they shit-canned O'Brien, Watson lobbied for Eric Bieniemy, who hasn't even been interviewed by them. He's apparently salty. IF Caserio can't mend that fence, does that open up the Pats to be a source for his landing?
:) :)
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As someone who wants the best possible games next week, here's hoping the Saints don't shit the bed today and instead take care of business. Bears/Packers and Rams/Bucs next weekend doesn't sound nearly as exciting as Bucs/Saints and Rams/Packers does.
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Had a much needed distraction and joy almost ruined by the Ravens logo stomping after the INT. I know all the background, but....if you want to be stupid, do it after the game, please! Really embarrassed by that. Nice to end a six year playoff win drought. And.....what a defensive performance stopping Henry (18/48) and Tannehill.
Fifth time in the teams' history that the road team was victorious.
Time to exhale.....
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At this point I'm kind of rooting for the Bills or the Browns to win the Superbowl. Neither is likely, but it could happen. I really hope the Bears pull out a win against the Saints.
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Can I rescind my Saints Super Bowl pick? :lol
Not only does Drew Brees look about done (I am sure his broken ribs are still irksome), he looks like he wants to be somewhere else. If they eke this out over the Bears, I think the Bucs take them out next week.
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At least the Saints defense is holding up.....so far. :corn
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Can I rescind my Saints Super Bowl pick? :lol
Not only does Drew Brees look about done (I am sure his broken ribs are still irksome), he looks like he wants to be somewhere else. If they eke this out over the Bears, I think the Bucs take them out next week.
I think they still have a good shot. I at the very least need them to get past Tampa next week. I can’t stomach another Tom Brady Super Bowl.
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Rams vs Packers next Saturday afternoon
Bill plays Saturday night (against either the Steelers or Ravens)
Chiefs play mid-Sunday afternoon (against either the Ravens or Browns)
Saints vs Bucs next Sunday evening (or 5:40 technically)
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Wow.
I picked Pittsburgh, but since everyone else did as well, I have no dog in the ACTUAL winner. I wouldn't mind if Cleveland took this home. Two turnovers in two consecutive series is a tough start for Steeltown.
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JuJu Smith-Schuster made the classic mistake this week of giving extra motivation to an already motivated team. I’m not saying that the Browns are definitely gonna win, but I think this game will be more of a battle than JuJu is expecting.
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Well, the Browns are basically curb stomping the Steelers right now. 21-0 just 10 minutes into the 1st quarter.
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Since I haven't been watching that much football I forgot Dick LeBau retired from the Steelers a while back, it looks like Pitt's defense retired too.
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Well, the Browns are basically curb stomping the Steelers right now. 21-0 just 10 minutes into the 1st quarter.
The Browns struggled with COVID more than any other team this season and still went 11-5. They’re a good team and more importantly than that, they’re hungry. They’ve been getting demolished by the Steelers for the better part of the past three decades now. They have an opportunity to finally get a measure of revenge, and for the time being they’re making the most of this opportunity. I still think the Steelers are good enough to turn this game around, especially with Big Ben playing better than he has in the past five years, but regardless of the results, this game should show that the Cleveland Browns are for real.
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Well, the Browns are basically curb stomping the Steelers right now. 21-0 just 10 minutes into the 1st quarter.
The Browns struggled with COVID more than any other team this season and still went 11-5. They’re a good team and more importantly than that, they’re hungry. They’ve been getting demolished by the Steelers for the better part of the past three decades now. They have an opportunity to finally get a measure of revenge, and for the time being they’re making the most of this opportunity. I still think the Steelers are good enough to turn this game around, especially with Big Ben playing better than he has in the past five years, but regardless of the results, this game should show that the Cleveland Browns are for real.
So far Big Ben is playing worse than he ever has in this game.
And now 28-0 in the first quarter. Good lord!
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This is some crazy shit going on in Pittsburgh!
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Well if anyone can screw up that big of a lead it would be the Browns.... and of course the Superbowl Falcons.
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Un. Fucking. Believable. :o
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I can't say I am totally surprised by this given how bad the Steelers have been for the last month or so, outside of that little spurt in the 2nd half vs Indy, but no one saw 28-0 in the 1st quarter coming. This is crazy.
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Well if anyone can screw up that big of a lead it would be the Browns.... and of course the Superbowl Falcons.
:rollin Touche'
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Well if anyone can screw up that big of a lead it would be the Browns.... and of course the Superbowl Falcons.
You know, I was having a good day and you had to go and remind me of, to this day, the only game to actually trigger an anxiety attack.
I mean I’m over it at this point, but dammit that game messed me up for a little bit.
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AAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
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I knew the Steelers were not playing well going into the playoffs but this bad? Holy moly.
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Well if anyone can screw up that big of a lead it would be the Browns.... and of course the Superbowl Falcons.
You know, I was having a good day and you had to go and remind me of, to this day, the only game to actually trigger an anxiety attack.
I mean I’m over it at this point, but dammit that game messed me up for a little bit.
Oh dang, I would've taken you as a Giants fan with NYC in your name and all that.
And Ben gets picked again.
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Well if anyone can screw up that big of a lead it would be the Browns.... and of course the Superbowl Falcons.
You know, I was having a good day and you had to go and remind me of, to this day, the only game to actually trigger an anxiety attack.
I mean I’m over it at this point, but dammit that game messed me up for a little bit.
Oh dang, I would've taken you as a Giants fan with NYC in your name and all that.
And Ben gets picked again.
I’m a die hard Jets fan. The end of that game broke me.
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Cleveland receivers forgot how to catch balls thrown right at them....
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WIIIIIDDEEE OOOOPPEEENNN.
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Maybe the Browns should rest their starters for the rest of the game.
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WIIIIIDDEEE OOOOPPEEENNN.
Watching the Steelers getting their butts whipped brings me such joy :corn
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Cleveland is looking good; they're winning on fundamentals. Physical football, good line play (on both sides of the ball). I'm digging this; I will not be sad if they hold on to this lead.
I know Pitt has not been playing well, but who would have thought a Mike Tomlin team would come out so FLAT in a playoff game, especially against a rival. They're getting pushed around.
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Man, as a lifelong Clevelander, this feels soooooo good!
I was 13 the last time the Browns won a playoff game.... that was many moon ago.
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WIIIIIDDEEE OOOOPPEEENNN.
Watching the Steelers getting their butts whipped brings me such joy :corn
I'm a Pats fan. I've seen it a lot. :lol
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So I haven't followed the league this season at all, I know there are Covid-19 restrictions in place, but why do some stadiums seem to be more occupied than others? This Steelers Browns game looks like it being played in an empty stadium. The other games looked like there was some crowd at least. Any particular reason it's so empty tonight?
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So I haven't followed the league this season at all, I know there are Covid-19 restrictions in place, but why do some stadiums seem to be more occupied than others? This Steelers Browns game looks like it being played in an empty stadium. The other games looked like there was some crowd at least. Any particular reason it's so empty tonight?
It just matters what state the game is being played in and what the state restrictions are.
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Right that makes sense.
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Here we go. The Browns are in danger of one of the biggest playoff chokes of all time.
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Deep down, didn't we all know that the Browns would do their best to try and choke this away?
Franchise might as well fold their tents and disband if they blow this game. :lol :lol
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Clevelanta Browlcons on display tonight....
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Welp, Nick Chubb is having none of our choke talk.
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Huge score there. Browns can breathe again for a little bit.
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Is the punt on 4th and 1 the next "pass on the 1 yd line with marshawn lynch in the backfield" call?
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I feel like a successful Browns team messes up the sports cosmos. Things just should not happen in the sports world, lest we risk upsetting the Gods, like the 2004 Red Sox or the 2016 Cubs.
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I feel like a successful Browns team messes up the sports cosmos. Things just should not happen in the sports world, lest we risk upsetting the Gods, like the 2004 Red Sox or the 2016 Cubs.
I’m not even a Cubs fan, but that final double play still gives me chills.
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AAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
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Goodnight Steelers.
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It's just too bad they don't have a chance against the Chiefs. :-\
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It's just too bad they don't have a chance against the Chiefs. :-\
You know what? Crazier things have happened. We’ve seen bigger upsets before. I mean I’m still picking the Chiefs, but hey you never know.
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LET’S GO BROWNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The last time they won a playoff game, I was a senior in high school. I was just happy they made it, but holy shit, that first quarter had me blown away. They are playing with house money from here on out. That was a gutsy win. GO BROWNS!!!!
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I don't post in here much anymore, but it would be remiss of me not to stop in and say that I was one of many non-Cleveland fans that was on the edge of my seat rooting on the Browns last night. First playoff appearance since after the 2002 season. First playoff win since after the 1994 season (with a BB vs. Parcells coaching matchup!). I picked the Steelers to win and win big, but it was the Browns defense were the opportunists, jumping on tipped passes, overthrows and botched snaps. And how far along has Baker come in terms of maturity. If you asked me last year if Baker could lead his team and do enough to win a playoff game with his head coach in quarantine, I would have said hell no.
The dream of a Browns/Bills AFC Championship game is alive but for one more week.
But my favorite play of the weekend came in Seattle. DK pouting like a big baby (pun intended) so they design a WR screen to get him involved and Darious Williams splits the blockers, picks it off and runs it back for a TD. It was glorious!
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Safe to say my eyes were damp on several occasions last night. Worth waiting for. Go Browns.
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So I haven't followed the league this season at all, I know there are Covid-19 restrictions in place, but why do some stadiums seem to be more occupied than others? This Steelers Browns game looks like it being played in an empty stadium. The other games looked like there was some crowd at least. Any particular reason it's so empty tonight?
It just matters what state the game is being played in and what the state restrictions are.
And look close; some places are putting cardboard cutouts in the seats. I don't quite get that (unless it's a sound thing) but, yeah. All games are different. Last night Steelers game was a couple thousand, team friends and family only.
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But my favorite play of the weekend came in Seattle. DK pouting like a big baby (pun intended) so they design a WR screen to get him involved and Darious Williams splits the blockers, picks it off and runs it back for a TD. It was glorious!
Yeah; the announcer (I forget; was that Nantz? I tune him out) sort of hinted at, but that's exactly what I thought. That play might as well have been telegraphed on one of the Jumbotrons in Times Square. I don't care how good you are, you're not helping your team if you're putting your coach in the position of having to cater to your attitude and mood mid-game.
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Safe to say my eyes were damp on several occasions last night. Worth waiting for. Go Browns.
The Browns never trailed last night. :omg: That is perhaps the most amazing fact from last night's game. And that is from a game that also included:
Roethlisberger throwing for over 500 yards and 4 TDs and losing.
The Browns last won in Pittsburgh in 2003.
The Browns last won a playoff game in 1995.
The Browns last wone a road playoff game in 1969.
Since 1970, the Browns are 7-44 in Pittsburgh.
Ben Roethlisberger's record against the Browns in the postseason: 0-1.
Roethlisberger's record against the Browns all time: 25-3-1.
The Browns didn't have a turnover last night, while forcing 5 turnovers by the Steelers.
Baker Mayfield wasn't sacked last night.
I'm still dumbstruck that the Browns won in such a convincing fashion. They came out and punched the Steelers in the mouth and the Steelers didn't know how to respond. Kareem Hunt ran like he was trying to get to Kansas City. Baker Mayfield took what the defense was giving him, and found a way to win when they took away his ability to bootleg. There was almost no mention of the Pittsburgh D-line, because the Browns O-line, despite being without it's best player and losing their RT in the 2nd quarter, absolutely owned the line of scrimmage last night. Nick Chubb was huge in the passing game. Jarvis Landry was clutch all night long. I'm just so impressed with how the Browns won. They are playing with house money at this point.
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I read an article earlier in the day that was published right after the Browns beat the Bengals, and it characterized Mayfield as a "high level game manager", as if it was an insult.
That's what he did last night; made plays when he had to, controlled the football when he didn't. I would have preferred a couple of those 3-and-outs to have lasted more than a minute and a half - that would have gone a long way to keeping the game out of reach - but still, he played a strong game. ESPECIALLY considering, as he said in his post-game interview, he had to introduce myself to this dude "Blake" before the game, and he ended up in the huddle in the 4th quarter. :)
They will be written off before next week, and I get that (I'm not picking them, myself) but IF there's an "anything can happen" scenario next week, this might be it. Don't count out Stefanski; he's done a world class job of not just coaching, but MANAGING this team emotionally and psychologically. He's got these kids BELIEVING.
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Crazy to think that the Bills could be put in a position where they’re the villain, but if they end up hosting the Browns in the AFC Championship, that’s what will happen. Everyone loves an underdog story, and the Browns have been that since the 1970 merger. If we get a Buffalo/Cleveland matchup, it would represent a shift in the cosmos like no other.
Although if Cleveland manages to get past Kansas City, you know they want Baltimore.
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Crazy to think that the Bills could be put in a position where they’re the villain, but if they end up hosting the Browns in the AFC Championship, that’s what will happen. Everyone loves an underdog story, and the Browns have been that since the 1970 merger. If we get a Buffalo/Cleveland matchup, it would represent a shift in the cosmos like no other.
Although if Cleveland manages to get past Kansas City, you know they want Baltimore.
A Browns-Ravens matchup for the AFC Championship game would be insane. Don't even know how I would handle that.
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I read an article earlier in the day that was published right after the Browns beat the Bengals, and it characterized Mayfield as a "high level game manager", as if it was an insult.
That's what he did last night; made plays when he had to, controlled the football when he didn't. I would have preferred a couple of those 3-and-outs to have lasted more than a minute and a half - that would have gone a long way to keeping the game out of reach - but still, he played a strong game. ESPECIALLY considering, as he said in his post-game interview, he had to introduce myself to this dude "Blake" before the game, and he ended up in the huddle in the 4th quarter. :)
They will be written off before next week, and I get that (I'm not picking them, myself) but IF there's an "anything can happen" scenario next week, this might be it. Don't count out Stefanski; he's done a world class job of not just coaching, but MANAGING this team emotionally and psychologically. He's got these kids BELIEVING.
Stefanski is 38 and their GM Andrew Berry is 33. If they can keep this up, they will be in Cleveland for a long time.
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I feel like a successful Browns team messes up the sports cosmos. Things just should not happen in the sports world, lest we risk upsetting the Gods, like the 2004 Red Sox or the 2016 Cubs.
I’m not even a Cubs fan, but that final double play still gives me chills.
??? When Bryant struck out and Dexter Fowler got caught stealing in the top of the 7th of game 7? Or did you mean the final out of the game (which was just a ground out to Bryant)?
LET’S GO BROWNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The last time they won a playoff game, I was a senior in high school.
Even crazier, the last time they won a playoff game, Bill Belichick was the head coach (and the opponent was the Bill Parcells coached Patriots)!
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Some pretty crazy results this weekend. I'll just leave it at that.
Regarding the Colts/Bills catch/fumble call, yeah, I went through the same thought process in real time as what the final result came out to be: Probably the wrong call on the field. And no angle showed conclusive evidence to overturn it. You just couldn't tell definitively whether or not he was touched when he was going down to the ground. I think most people looking at it would say that, in all likelihood, he wasn't, so he wasn't down. But "in all likelihood" is not the standard for overturning the call. So the result HAD TO be upholding the call made on the field, whether it was wrong or not. Likewise, had the initial call on the field been the opposite, I am pretty confident that THAT call would have been upheld as well. It's just "one of those things." It is unfortunate, and replay has helped eliminate a lot of error by allowing close calls to be reviewed. But there isn't a perfect system that will result in the "correct" call 100% of the time.
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Typical Tomlin clown show. Aside from the picks, 2 of which were batted balls and just bad luck, the vaunted Steelers' D had 0 sacks and 0 turnovers again. So what's the difference between Brady falling behind 28-3 and Ben falling behind 28-0? Brady's D will get all the necessary stops and turnovers to win while the Steelers' D will continue to bleed. The Steelers defense over the last 3 playoff games has given up 36, 45, 48 points. Also Tomlin with one of the most egregiously cowardly punts on record, along with Vrabel yesterday.
The other games seemed to go pretty much as expected, except the Colts win that game if everything hadn't bounced the Bills' way. Brady looked really good and that should be a hell of a rematch in New Orleans.
One thing I think that has become apparent this year is that the teams who have built the strongest pass rushes (Pittsburgh, Washington) get screwed because ref no longer call offensive holding. Sucks when a major strength of your team that has taken hard work to build gets taken away.
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Some pretty crazy results this weekend. I'll just leave it at that.
Regarding the Colts/Bills catch/fumble call, yeah, I went through the same thought process in real time as what the final result came out to be: Probably the wrong call on the field. And no angle showed conclusive evidence to overturn it. You just couldn't tell definitively whether or not he was touched when he was going down to the ground. I think most people looking at it would say that, in all likelihood, he wasn't, so he wasn't down. But "in all likelihood" is not the standard for overturning the call. So the result HAD TO be upholding the call made on the field, whether it was wrong or not. Likewise, had the initial call on the field been the opposite, I am pretty confident that THAT call would have been upheld as well. It's just "one of those things." It is unfortunate, and replay has helped eliminate a lot of error by allowing close calls to be reviewed. But there isn't a perfect system that will result in the "correct" call 100% of the time.
We'd need Super-Ultra-Max-Power Zoom for that accuracy. :lol
I posted on Facebook, since the browns were in the playoffs..."What would happen if the Browns win the Superbowl?"....It's looking more like it, and if they beat KC...I expect all of Cleveland to be like the opening to The Drew Carey Show... (https://youtu.be/i47lyjYF5As)
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Typical Tomlin clown show. Aside from the picks, 2 of which were batted balls and just bad luck, the vaunted Steelers' D had 0 sacks and 0 turnovers again. So what's the difference between Brady falling behind 28-3 and Ben falling behind 28-0? Brady's D will get all the necessary stops and turnovers to win while the Steelers' D will continue to bleed. The Steelers defense over the last 3 playoff games has given up 36, 45, 48 points. Also Tomlin with one of the most egregiously cowardly punts on record, along with Vrabel yesterday.
The other games seemed to go pretty much as expected, except the Colts win that game if everything hadn't bounced the Bills' way. Brady looked really good and that should be a hell of a rematch in New Orleans.
One thing I think that has become apparent this year is that the teams who have built the strongest pass rushes (Pittsburgh, Washington) get screwed because ref no longer call offensive holding. Sucks when a major strength of your team that has taken hard work to build gets taken away.
That and I have to believe that some defensive lineman are thinking of NOT taking the penalty for putting a hit on the QB in certain circumstances. That's probably a lesser factor than the holding, but still.
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Wouldn't surprise me if officials were told to be a little more lenient with what they allow in regards to holding on the offensive line and whatnot. Ratings are down across the board in sports, and the NFL knows that offense is what the casual fan wants, not d-lineman knocking the crap out of star quarterbacks, so little things like that can help offenses, as if they need more help in 2021's NFL. :lol :lol
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Btw, why aren't we hearing an outcry about Lamar Jackson not shaking hands after the game? So The Titans players were on the Ravens logo their regular season meeting this year.
I call shenanigans. I know people will say Brady does that in losses but it shouldn't matter.
Me personally, it doesn't bother me at all that they don't shake. Drama is good for sports.
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Btw, why aren't we hearing an outcry about Lamar Jackson not shaking hands after the game? So The Titans players were on the Ravens logo their regular season meeting this year.
I call shenanigans. I know people will say Brady does that in losses but it shouldn't matter.
Me personally, it doesn't bother me at all that they don't shake. Drama is good for sports.
I don't know that Ben did either last night. Unless he went out and then came back, they showed him just sitting on the bench forlorn (struck me that there was some wistfulness in his eyes, like "this is the last time I will....")
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I'm just stirring the pot. People get so touchy these days about the hand shaking.
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Loser coach is a loser. He'll never amount t anything.
Recently, I was offered the opportunity to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom, which I was flattered by out of respect for what the honor represents and admiration for prior recipients. Subsequently, the tragic events of last week occurred and the decision has been made not to move forward with the award. Above all, I am an American citizen with great reverence for our nation’s values, freedom and democracy. I know I also represent my family and the New England Patriots team. One of the most rewarding things in my professional career took place in 2020 when, through the great leadership within our team, conversations about social justice, equality and human rights moved to the forefront and became actions. Continuing those efforts while remaining true to the people, team and county I love outweigh the benefits of any individual award.
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Btw, why aren't we hearing an outcry about Lamar Jackson not shaking hands after the game? So The Titans players were on the Ravens logo their regular season meeting this year.
I call shenanigans. I know people will say Brady does that in losses but it shouldn't matter.
Me personally, it doesn't bother me at all that they don't shake. Drama is good for sports.
My read regarding Jackson: he didn't want a melee to break out afterwards.
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Speaking of Brady not shaking hands with people after a game, I watched past the end of the game on Saturday night looking to see TB12 and Taylor Heinicke meet up. Brady kind of snubbed him, I thought. You'd think that TB12 would appreciate the kid's effort under the circumstances, but he never sought him out, he met up with plenty of other WTF players, and when the kid finally tapped him on the should after respectfully following him for 20 yards he pretty much got a "good game," a peremptory handshake, and Brady's back. I don't think a little encouragement, or even respect for a hard fought game would have been too much to muster up.
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I would have loved that. Lol
El Barto, I couldn't stay up to the end. Old bastard.
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Loser coach is a loser. He'll never amount t anything.
Recently, I was offered the opportunity to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom, which I was flattered by out of respect for what the honor represents and admiration for prior recipients. Subsequently, the tragic events of last week occurred and the decision has been made not to move forward with the award. Above all, I am an American citizen with great reverence for our nation’s values, freedom and democracy. I know I also represent my family and the New England Patriots team. One of the most rewarding things in my professional career took place in 2020 when, through the great leadership within our team, conversations about social justice, equality and human rights moved to the forefront and became actions. Continuing those efforts while remaining true to the people, team and county I love outweigh the benefits of any individual award.
My respect for Belichick just went up. Whether you agree with this or not, turning down a prestigious award like that for the reasons he gave is extremely selfless.
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Loser coach is a loser. He'll never amount t anything.
Recently, I was offered the opportunity to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom, which I was flattered by out of respect for what the honor represents and admiration for prior recipients. Subsequently, the tragic events of last week occurred and the decision has been made not to move forward with the award. Above all, I am an American citizen with great reverence for our nation’s values, freedom and democracy. I know I also represent my family and the New England Patriots team. One of the most rewarding things in my professional career took place in 2020 when, through the great leadership within our team, conversations about social justice, equality and human rights moved to the forefront and became actions. Continuing those efforts while remaining true to the people, team and county I love outweigh the benefits of any individual award.
My respect for Belichick just went up. Whether you agree with this or not, turning down a prestigious award like that for the reasons he gave is extremely selfless.
I don't think selfless is the right word. His image with fans and his players will be better by turning this down than accepting it. But I agree it was the right decision. Biden should do the same thing for him.
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Loser coach is a loser. He'll never amount t anything.
Recently, I was offered the opportunity to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom, which I was flattered by out of respect for what the honor represents and admiration for prior recipients. Subsequently, the tragic events of last week occurred and the decision has been made not to move forward with the award. Above all, I am an American citizen with great reverence for our nation’s values, freedom and democracy. I know I also represent my family and the New England Patriots team. One of the most rewarding things in my professional career took place in 2020 when, through the great leadership within our team, conversations about social justice, equality and human rights moved to the forefront and became actions. Continuing those efforts while remaining true to the people, team and county I love outweigh the benefits of any individual award.
My respect for Belichick just went up. Whether you agree with this or not, turning down a prestigious award like that for the reasons he gave is extremely selfless.
I don't think selfless is the right word. His image with fans and his players will be better by turning this down than accepting it. But I agree it was the right decision. Biden should do the same thing for him.
I'm glad he did for different reasons; as much as I love Bill Belichick, I'm not sure a football coach is at the level of Mother Teresa and Rosa Parks in terms of contributions to this country. Though, I suppose neither are Oprah Winfrey or Mariano Rivera. But this was his only option. There was no choice here, and although it serves the narrative (Fuck this guy!) in my perfect world, I'd rather not pretend there was.
That was my first thought, though: Biden should bestow the honor. But after thinking about it more, honestly, that's not an answer either; if Belichick really is interested in "continuing those efforts while remaining true to the people, team and county I love", then does it matter who gives it to him? I'm not interested in the narrative, see above, so I get no pleasure out of that aspect.
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What do we think the likelihood is of the four old QB's playing 2021?
Brady is obviously a cyborg, so he should have another good 10-15 years.
I don't see any way that Brees comes back.
I would have leaned towards Roethlisberger coming back for sure, but not so sure now. I could see a scenario where he wants to come back, but the Steelers gently tell him they are going to cut him (not sure the salary cap ramifications).
Rivers probably depends on if Indy wants him back. I think he'd come back if they want him, but if they want to move on, does he go to another team and what will the market be?
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His declining the award was the easy thing to do. It's a complete neutral. There's nothing wrong with him doing it and it also merits zero praise because this is the single worst point in the history of the world to have any affiliation with 45 for any reason. I would, however, be tickled pink to see other NFL people who've been vocally supportive of him have to awkwardly say "No comment" when asked by reporters about what they think of his actions pertaining to the insurrection attempt. People like Elway, Brady, and Bob Kraft, for starters.
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What do we think the likelihood is of the four old QB's playing 2021?
Brady is obviously a cyborg, so he should have another good 10-15 years.
I don't see any way that Brees comes back.
I would have leaned towards Roethlisberger coming back for sure, but not so sure now. I could see a scenario where he wants to come back, but the Steelers gently tell him they are going to cut him (not sure the salary cap ramifications).
Rivers probably depends on if Indy wants him back. I think he'd come back if they want him, but if they want to move on, does he go to another team and what will the market be?
I would love to see Brady have sustained success in Tampa.
I have not been following Brees's situation, so not sure what the likelihood is. I know he doesn't look right lately, but I know a lot of that has to do with recent injury. Once he is properly healed up, I think he can still play if he wants to and his team wants him to stay. I wouldn't want to see him on another team. And I'm not sure I would still root for the Saints without him (and not sure how successful they will be in the immediate future without him). But whatev.
Ben is so banged up that I think he physically needs to retire (and that ship sailed a log time ago). But because he is so banged up, it would not surprise me if he started experiencing ongoing health problems not long after he does retire.
I would also like to see Rivers stay in Indy and have some success there. Seems more likely than not that they want to part ways. But maybe they bring in their QB of the future and keep him one more year. I would kinda like to see that.
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Brady plays next year.
Brees does not play next year. You are NOT the father. :) (Brees - probably my favorite player in the league right now - is on record as saying he plays for the Saints or doesn't play at all; I think he came back as early as he did because he believes this is his last shot; Payton has been classy, but there are signs he thinks the future is in Jameis Winston's hands. My GOD.)
Ben and Philip are wild cards.
I would have said "Ben plays next year", until I saw him sitting on the bench after the Browns game. It looked like a man soaking in memories, frankly. Total guess on my part, but that was the vibe I got. During the game however, Collinsworth (I think?) said that he felt Ben wanted to return.
Philip? Who knows. I don't like the guy, so I don't follow him. But he will find a spot if he wants it. Uneducated, gut response: he does NOT play next year, but there's nothing behind that but "pure guess".
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Depending on the off season and whether or not they hold the door open, next year would likely be River's best shot at a super bowl. Likewise, if they go all in to win next year, Rivers is likely their best shot at same. I think Indi keeps him around for one more year and he sticks it out for one last shot at a ring.
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I wonder if Brady is going to go for George Blanda's record?
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I don't think he can kick that well.
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I don't think he can kick that well.
:neverusethis:
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He should go for Blanda's sideburns.
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I don't think he can kick that well.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Go ahead TD drives in 4Q, team still lost game (career)
Drew Brees - 21
Aaron Rodgers - 11
Peyton Manning - 6
Tom Brady - 4
Brees now has as many as Rodgers, Manning and Brady combined
Uh oh, Brees is in trouble this Sunday :'(.
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Here's a fun one - Jeopardy is going to go through guest hosts like Katie Couric and maybe LeVar Burton. One rumored guest host is one Aaron Rodgers. Now that should be interesting. :corn
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Here's a fun one - Jeopardy is going to go through guest hosts like Katie Couric and maybe LeVar Burton. One rumored guest host is one Aaron Rodgers. Now that should be interesting. :corn
What is State Farm?
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Go ahead TD drives in 4Q, team still lost game (career)
Drew Brees - 21
Aaron Rodgers - 11
Peyton Manning - 6
Tom Brady - 4
Brees now has as many as Rodgers, Manning and Brady combined
Uh oh, Brees is in trouble this Sunday :'(.
As a person who has watched almost every Rodgers game I thought that number would have been higher. Packers defense has been below average for most of his career.
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Here's a fun one - Jeopardy is going to go through guest hosts like Katie Couric and maybe LeVar Burton. One rumored guest host is one Aaron Rodgers. Now that should be interesting. :corn
It's more than rumored. Couric and Rodgers are confirmed. Burton is not.
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Here's a fun one - Jeopardy is going to go through guest hosts like Katie Couric and maybe LeVar Burton. One rumored guest host is one Aaron Rodgers. Now that should be interesting. :corn
It's more than rumored. Couric and Rodgers are confirmed. Burton is not.
I heard that he was a huge fan of Alex Trebek and Jeopardy and even won when he was on as celebrity Jeopardy. I never knew....
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The majority of NFL QBs have no personality and Rodgers is right up there with the blandest of them.
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I think he's got personality. It's just the wrong personality for the gig. Rodgers is smugness personified, and that's the one thing Trebeck always managed to avoid. Actually kind of impressive when you consider that a huge part of his job was telling people "Oh, I'm sorry, in 1927 it was still known as Constantinople." Trebeck always came off as super-sincere, and I think Rodgers would probably seem a bit phony. In fact, I'm really not sure who they could find that can spend all day telling people they're wrong while seeming genuinely apologetic.
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I think he's got personality. It's just the wrong personality for the gig. Rodgers is smugness personified, and that's the one thing Trebeck always managed to avoid. Actually kind of impressive when you consider that a huge part of his job was telling people "Oh, I'm sorry, in 1927 it was still known as Constantinople." Trebeck always came off as super-sincere, and I think Rodgers would probably seem a bit phony. In fact, I'm really not sure who they could find that can spend all day telling people they're wrong while seeming genuinely apologetic.
Good call. Probably the best example of Rodgers is that moment in the State Farm commercial when he crushes the hole in one, flips his club and mumbles about the Rodgers rate. That's the perfect role for him. I don't see him having the compassion and empathy to deal with these contestants as they need to be dealt with.
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I think Rodgers just has a very sarcastic demeanor which often gets interpreted as smugness.
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Here's a fun one - Jeopardy is going to go through guest hosts like Katie Couric and maybe LeVar Burton. One rumored guest host is one Aaron Rodgers. Now that should be interesting. :corn
It's more than rumored. Couric and Rodgers are confirmed. Burton is not.
I heard that he was a huge fan of Alex Trebek and Jeopardy and even won when he was on as celebrity Jeopardy. I never knew....
Correct. He won a celebrity version of the show in 2015. He's a big fan.
I think he's got personality. It's just the wrong personality for the gig. Rodgers is smugness personified, and that's the one thing Trebeck always managed to avoid. Actually kind of impressive when you consider that a huge part of his job was telling people "Oh, I'm sorry, in 1927 it was still known as Constantinople." Trebeck always came off as super-sincere, and I think Rodgers would probably seem a bit phony. In fact, I'm really not sure who they could find that can spend all day telling people they're wrong while seeming genuinely apologetic.
Not sure I agree. I once posted on Facebook that there was nothing more pompous sounding than Trebek reading a clue/answer in French. I'll reserve judgment about Rodgers until I see him, which I assume won't happen for several weeks, depending on how the Packers do over the next week-plus.
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I think he's got personality. It's just the wrong personality for the gig. Rodgers is smugness personified, and that's the one thing Trebeck always managed to avoid. Actually kind of impressive when you consider that a huge part of his job was telling people "Oh, I'm sorry, in 1927 it was still known as Constantinople." Trebeck always came off as super-sincere, and I think Rodgers would probably seem a bit phony. In fact, I'm really not sure who they could find that can spend all day telling people they're wrong while seeming genuinely apologetic.
Good call. Probably the best example of Rodgers is that moment in the State Farm commercial when he crushes the hole in one, flips his club and mumbles about the Rodgers rate. That's the perfect role for him. I don't see him having the compassion and empathy to deal with these contestants as they need to be dealt with.
I've never really thought of this until reading this post, but maybe, just maybe, a little douchiness is needed from the new host to add some spice to the game :lol Telling some super smart person they are incorrect because of the tiniest of mistakes with a smirk on their face might be hilarious
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I think Rodgers just has a very sarcastic demeanor which often gets interpreted as smugness.
This. He has a very dry sense of humor. I think he’ll be great as host
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Rodgers strikes me as being kind of an arrogant dick, but that's probably why he is so good at his job. :lol
Assuming he wins the MVP for the 2020 season as expected, he will become only the 4th QB to have won the MVP award at least three times (same as Favre and Brady, Peyton Manning won it five times).
Even more crazy is his TD-INT ratio. He has thrown 412 touchdowns and only 89 interceptions in his career. :eek :eek That is nuts.
As a comparison, Brady is 581-191, Brees is 571-243 and P. Manning is 539-251.
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Rodgers strikes me as being kind of an arrogant dick, but that's probably why he is so good at his job. :lol
Assuming he wins the MVP for the 2020 season as expected, he will become only the 4th QB to have won the MVP award at least three times (same as Favre and Brady, Peyton Manning won it five times).
Even more crazy is his TD-INT ratio. He has thrown 412 touchdowns and only 89 interceptions in his career. :eek :eek That is nuts.
As a comparison, Brady is 581-191, Brees is 571-243 and P. Manning is 539-251.
Yeah, he's always come across to me a little smug and arrogant. Like you say, you can't deny his talent though!! I just hope he has a REALLY bad game tomorrow. :lol
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I just hope he has a REALLY bad game tomorrow. :lol
:tup :tup
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I hate doing picks for the entire playoffs right at the outside, because if you don't get ALL of them right, it messes up the entire bracket. Anyhow, for tomorrow:
Rams vs. Packers
Ravens vs. Bills
Browns vs. Chiefs
Bucs vs. Saints
Yeah, nothing really controversial there. :lol The first game feels the most sure to me. The others I could see going either way. Even Cleveland being such an underdog, it wouldn't surprise me if they pulled the upset.
At the end of the day, I'm ok with any result that ends up being an NFC team other than the Rams winning the SB.
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I hate doing picks for the entire playoffs right at the outside, because if you don't get ALL of them right, it messes up the entire bracket. Anyhow, for tomorrow:
Rams vs. Packers
Ravens vs. Bills
Browns vs. Chiefs
Bucs vs. Saints
Yeah, nothing really controversial there. :lol The first game feels the most sure to me. The others I could see going either way. Even Cleveland being such an underdog, it wouldn't surprise me if they pulled the upset.
At the end of the day, I'm ok with any result that ends up being an NFC team other than the Rams winning the SB.
WAIT a second!!!!!!!!!! .................................. :biggrin:
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Been a '9ers fan since I started watching during the SB XV season. I kinda have to hate the Rams.
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Been a '9ers fan since I started watching during the SB XV season. I kinda have to hate the Rams.
Oh I know you're a huge Whiners fan!.... ;D
GO RAMS!!!!!
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I'm taking suggestions about things I would do if it meant the Browns would beat the Chiefs. I don't think I've ever rooted for an underdog Cinderella team this hard since February of '80.
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Any thoughts on the coaching hires?
If I'm a Jags fan (and I'm not) I'm not thrilled with the Urban Meyer hire. I'm not a huge fan of pilfering the college ranks anyway, and I think he's an especially bad bet in the pro game. He's akin to John Calipari, or, to keep it in the sport, Steve Spurrier. He knows the college game and the college player, and I don't think that his particular skillset is going to translate.
If I'm a Jets fan, (and I'm not) I'm a little more happy, but as much as Saleh has had success, I don't know that he's head coach material, and I don't know that he's going to be able to change the organization at a molecular level like it needs to. I know him as a rah-rah guy (which isn't my thing) but word is he's very much an intellect and a quiet leader behind the scenes. So we'll see; we're watching Kevin Stefanski do just that, and Joe Judge, across town, is doing the same thing (apparently). Even so, I'm not wagering any real money on either of these hires.
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Any thoughts on the coaching hires?
If I'm a Jags fan (and I'm not) I'm not thrilled with the Urban Meyer hire. I'm not a huge fan of pilfering the college ranks anyway, and I think he's an especially bad bet in the pro game. He's akin to John Calipari, or, to keep it in the sport, Steve Spurrier. He knows the college game and the college player, and I don't think that his particular skillset is going to translate.
If I'm a Jets fan, (and I'm not) I'm a little more happy, but as much as Saleh has had success, I don't know that he's head coach material, and I don't know that he's going to be able to change the organization at a molecular level like it needs to. I know him as a rah-rah guy (which isn't my thing) but word is he's very much an intellect and a quiet leader behind the scenes. So we'll see; we're watching Kevin Stefanski do just that, and Joe Judge, across town, is doing the same thing (apparently). Even so, I'm not wagering any real money on either of these hires.
What do I think of the Jacksonville hire? After Urban was hired I tweeted at the Jaguars saying good luck on your head coaching search in 2023
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Yeah, I was a little apprehensive about the Saleh move. I'm not a Jets fan, but I am a Saleh fan. And I don't know that the structure is in place for him to have success there. For his sake, I would have liked to see him go to Detroit. I think he might have been able to have a better chance. But we'll see. I am rooting for him.
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Yeah, I was a little apprehensive about the Saleh move. I'm not a Jets fan, but I am a Saleh fan. And I don't know that the structure is in place for him to have success there. For his sake, I would have liked to see him go to Detroit. I think he might have been able to have a better chance. But we'll see. I am rooting for him.
Welp.... I'm definitely not disappointed that I won't have to face his defense twice a year... :lol
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I don't think I've ever rooted for an underdog Cinderella team this hard since February of '80.
What underdog Cinderella story was happening in February 1980?
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I don't think I've ever rooted for an underdog Cinderella team this hard since February of '80.
What underdog Cinderella story was happening in February 1980?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_on_Ice
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I don't think I've ever rooted for an underdog Cinderella team this hard since February of '80.
What underdog Cinderella story was happening in February 1980?
:omg: :omg: :omg:
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I don't think I've ever rooted for an underdog Cinderella team this hard since February of '80.
What underdog Cinderella story was happening in February 1980?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_on_Ice
I failed to think outside the box of major pro sports. I'll go hide in a corner somewhere....
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Well, in context of the conversation, I'm not sure I would have thought outside of the NFL, to be fair.
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That's the one. Sorry, that's no one's fault. I don't color very well within the (thread) lines.
But since we're talking about it.... :) I'm still amazed that of the 20 players on the team, 12 came from Minnesota, 4 from Massachusetts, and two each from Wisconsin and Michigan. Also amazed that Al Michaels got the gig because he was the only announcer at ABC that had previously called a hockey game, and that was just once, eight years earlier.
I was in a hotel room somewhere on the Eastern seaboard watching that game on television, as my family was driving back home from Florida for our annual vacation. The game was on tape delay to be broadcast in prime time. I had no idea who won while I watched it. My god, was that a different time.
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I don't think I've ever rooted for an underdog Cinderella team this hard since February of '80.
What underdog Cinderella story was happening in February 1980?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_on_Ice
That's my oldest specific sporting event memory which I actively watched.
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It wasn't even live even though it was in the USA. Crazy how most were taped then brodcasted for the Olympics back then.
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That's the one. Sorry, that's no one's fault. I don't color very well within the (thread) lines.
But since we're talking about it.... :) I'm still amazed that of the 20 players on the team, 12 came from Minnesota, 4 from Massachusetts, and two each from Wisconsin and Michigan. Also amazed that Al Michaels got the gig because he was the only announcer at ABC that had previously called a hockey game, and that was just once, eight years earlier.
I was in a hotel room somewhere on the Eastern seaboard watching that game on television, as my family was driving back home from Florida for our annual vacation. The game was on tape delay to be broadcast in prime time. I had no idea who won while I watched it. My god, was that a different time.
It was odd. I don't know that I'd ever seen any ice hockey before that time (and if I had, it was nothing more than happening upon a Kings game on a weekend and pausing for a few seconds before becoming confused about things like "icing"), but I actively followed that tournament. I remember seeing things on other channels that basically said, "we're going to put up the score from the game; if you don't want to see it, cover your eyes for 30 seconds." Probably didn't watch any non-Olympic hockey for another 10 years.
That's my oldest specific sporting event memory which I actively watched.
I have a vague memory of watching the 1974 World Series (A's over Dodgers) with my father about 7-8 weeks before he died, but the one I vividly remember is game 6 of the '75 Series.
As for the games tomorrow, I think the most likely winner among the road teams is Baltimore, but I hope that doesn't happen and that the Browns and Rams win. No real preference in the Bucs at Saints game.
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Rodgers strikes me as being kind of an arrogant dick, but that's probably why he is so good at his job. :lol
Assuming he wins the MVP for the 2020 season as expected, he will become only the 4th QB to have won the MVP award at least three times (same as Favre and Brady, Peyton Manning won it five times).
Even more crazy is his TD-INT ratio. He has thrown 412 touchdowns and only 89 interceptions in his career. :eek :eek That is nuts.
As a comparison, Brady is 581-191, Brees is 571-243 and P. Manning is 539-251.
Yeah, he's always come across to me a little smug and arrogant. Like you say, you can't deny his talent though!! I just hope he has a REALLY bad game tomorrow. :lol
Hoping for Aaron Rodgers to have a bad game in the playoffs feels like wishful thinking. You simply need to score a shit ton of points to beat the Packers with him at the helm. Consider that in the Packers eight playoff losses with Rodgers, the offense has averaged 25 points a game, while they have given up an AVERAGE of 36 points (!!!) a game. Talk about your bad luck. And two of those losses were in OT when the defense allowed the other team to score a TD on the first drive in OT and Rodgers never touched the ball.
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Rodgers strikes me as being kind of an arrogant dick, but that's probably why he is so good at his job. :lol
Assuming he wins the MVP for the 2020 season as expected, he will become only the 4th QB to have won the MVP award at least three times (same as Favre and Brady, Peyton Manning won it five times).
Even more crazy is his TD-INT ratio. He has thrown 412 touchdowns and only 89 interceptions in his career. :eek :eek That is nuts.
As a comparison, Brady is 581-191, Brees is 571-243 and P. Manning is 539-251.
Yeah, he's always come across to me a little smug and arrogant. Like you say, you can't deny his talent though!! I just hope he has a REALLY bad game tomorrow. :lol
Hoping for Aaron Rodgers to have a bad game in the playoffs feels like wishful thinking. You simply need to score a shit ton of points to beat the Packers with him at the helm. Consider that in the Packers eight playoff losses with Rodgers, the offense has averaged 25 points a game, while they have given up an AVERAGE of 36 points (!!!) a game. Talk about your bad luck. And two of those losses were in OT when the defense allowed the other team to score a TD on the first drive in OT and Rodgers never touched the ball.
Definitely wishful thinking but hey... I'm a dreamer! Need our Defense to play up to it's potential and Goff to have a great game, which he can occasionally. No turnovers like the Seattle game and a stout performance from Cam Akers sure wouldn't hurt!
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I can't even imagine being a fan and having my playoff chances in the hands of Jared Goff. I kind of consider him the least of the QB's still in the playoffs.
List time! Who I would take right now as a QB in a playoff game, all things being equal (doesn't mean I think their teams will win, or that they are "the best" or anything like that).
1. Tom Brady
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Josh Allen
6. Lamar Jackson
7. Baker Mayfield
8. Jared Goof
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I can't even imagine being a fan and having my playoff chances in the hands of Jared Goff. I kind of consider him the least of the QB's still in the playoffs.
List time! Who I would take right now as a QB in a playoff game, all things being equal (doesn't mean I think their teams will win, or that they are "the best" or anything like that).
1. Tom Brady
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Josh Allen
6. Lamar Jackson
7. Baker Mayfield
8. Jared Goof
Welp... he took us to a super bowl 2 years ago. Also had a perfect performance in '18 against the Vikings and of course the MNF masterpiece against the Chiefs. He has it in him... he just needs to dig it out.
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Patrick Mahomes has to be #1. I love Tom but right now it's Mahomes.
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Definitely wishful thinking but hey... I'm a dreamer! Need our Defense to play up to it's potential and Goff to have a great game, which he can occasionally. No turnovers like the Seattle game and a stout performance from Cam Akers sure wouldn't hurt!
Very true. Akers has looked great lately, and if he has a good game, they have a shot. Any team with that defense and McVay as their coach has a shot, but Goff is just hard to trust if it comes down to him needing to make plays for them to win.
I can't even imagine being a fan and having my playoff chances in the hands of Jared Goff. I kind of consider him the least of the QB's still in the playoffs.
List time! Who I would take right now as a QB in a playoff game, all things being equal (doesn't mean I think their teams will win, or that they are "the best" or anything like that).
1. Tom Brady
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Josh Allen
6. Lamar Jackson
7. Baker Mayfield
8. Jared Goof
Is all luck equal? If so, I can't put Brady at 1. Kidding...sort of. ;)
It's hard to not put Rodgers at 1 right now given how he has played this year, but I won't quibble with the order of 4-8, although my trust level in Brees isn't high right now due to how he has looked since returning from those broken ribs.
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Patrick Mahomes has to be #1. I love Tom but right now it's Mahomes.
I was waiting for that. "All things being equal" and "one game in the playoffs". If Hill and Bell and Kelce and all the Chiefs weapons are healthy and they're firing on all cylinders? Sure. I think if the wheels fall off, and things don't go perfectly, Brady is still number one on the list for being able to play any game that's required at any time. Not every game can be won by an off-balance, cross the body shovel pass to a guy that runs a 4.29 40 and can beat 98% of the DBs in the league. Other than the "our QB ran for 140 yards on the ground and three touchdowns", which seems to be the flavor du jour in the NFL (but doesn't win Super Bowls), Brady can play any game that's required to an elite level. STILL.
I think the Saints have better weapons on O (Thomas and Kamara are as good as anyone in the league), a better D, and a better coach than Tampa Bay. That was the only game I gave even 3 seconds of thought about when I picked my games this weekend, and it's the only game I wouldn't put any money whatsoever on. That's 100% because I can't count Brady out of any "one game" scenario.
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Definitely wishful thinking but hey... I'm a dreamer! Need our Defense to play up to it's potential and Goff to have a great game, which he can occasionally. No turnovers like the Seattle game and a stout performance from Cam Akers sure wouldn't hurt!
Very true. Akers has looked great lately, and if he has a good game, they have a shot. Any team with that defense and McVay as their coach has a shot, but Goff is just hard to trust if it comes down to him needing to make plays for them to win.
I can't even imagine being a fan and having my playoff chances in the hands of Jared Goff. I kind of consider him the least of the QB's still in the playoffs.
List time! Who I would take right now as a QB in a playoff game, all things being equal (doesn't mean I think their teams will win, or that they are "the best" or anything like that).
1. Tom Brady
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Josh Allen
6. Lamar Jackson
7. Baker Mayfield
8. Jared Goof
Is all luck equal? If so, I can't put Brady at 1. Kidding...sort of. ;)
It's hard to not put Rodgers at 1 right now given how he has played this year, but I won't quibble with the order of 4-8, although my trust level in Brees isn't high right now due to how he has looked since returning from those broken ribs.
The right defense playing the right game at the right time can melt him down, though. I don't mean just beat him, because any QB is like that; I mean mess with HIS head. He's great when he's behind but he's losing the shootout (i.e. he's called on to carry the defense). He's not so great when he's behind because he or his offense isn't playing well or hasn't figured out the defense.
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I just hope he has a REALLY bad game tomorrow. :lol
:tup :tup
You both suck
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It's weird not having a 10:00 game. Isn't there usually a 10:00 game on the Saturday of divisional weekend?
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It's been this way for years now for the divisional round, the first game later in the afternoon and the second game in the evening.
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The end of the first quarter when Rodgers tries to draw them offsides with that last “hut” :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Jalen Ramsey tantrum :lol
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The Packers offense is having its way with this number one ranked Rams defense. They look like the best team in the league right now.
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The Packers offense is having its way with this number one ranked Rams defense. They look like the best team in the league right now.
I will never trust a Packers defense, never.
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The Packers offense is having its way with this number one ranked Rams defense. They look like the best team in the league right now.
I will never trust a Packers defense, never.
Agreed. But it’s promising.
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The Rams are fighting, but the Packers D is starting to tighten up.
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Rams fought their way back in it, but Rodgers just threw a dagger to Lazard that should be the capper.
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AND THERE IS YOUR DAGGER
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So I just hear the Bucs are a much different team than when the Saints beat them twice... well so are the Packers when the Bucs beat them. So if the Bucs win that’ll be an insane game.
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We have never gotten Rodgers vs Brady or Rodgers vs Brees in a playoff game before, and it looks like that will the case next week (barring an injury to the winning QB tomorrow).
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Rodgers/Brady never happening is obvious as up until this season that matchup could only happen in the Super Bowl, but I can’t believe we’ve never gotten Rodgers/Brees before. I’m rooting for the Saints tomorrow regardless, but that matchup I feel is far more meaningful, as Aaron and Drew have been the top two QB’s in the NFC for the last 12 years. If this is Brees’ last run, they deserve to have that defining playoff battle before he calls it quits.
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Rodgers/Brady never happening is obvious as up until this season that matchup could only happen in the Super Bowl, but I can’t believe we’ve never gotten Rodgers/Brees before. I’m rooting for the Saints tomorrow regardless, but that matchup I feel is far more meaningful, as Aaron and Drew have been the top two QB’s in the NFC for the last 12 years. If this is Brees’ last run, they deserve to have that defining playoff battle before he calls it quits.
Either way. The Packers are a completely different team from when they played them last during the season.
I haven’t been this excited since 1997. The NFC championship at Lambeau? Why yes please.
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I have my preferences (Saints > Packers >>> Buccaneers) but I'm already leaning NFC come Super Bowl time. The only team that could POSSIBLY get me to root for them in the AFC is the Browns, and that's not really "football" as much as it is "culture" (meaning, I might want them to win because they're a blue collar, meat-and-potatoes town). I don't dislike the Bills or the Ravens, but I can't root for them against what might come out of the NFC.
I think this Bills/Ravens game is going to be a great football game.
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I have my preferences (Saints > Packers >>> Buccaneers) but I'm already leaning NFC come Super Bowl time. The only team that could POSSIBLY get me to root for them in the AFC is the Browns, and that's not really "football" as much as it is "culture" (meaning, I might want them to win because they're a blue collar, meat-and-potatoes town). I don't dislike the Bills or the Ravens, but I can't root for them against what might come out of the NFC.
I think this Bills/Ravens game is going to be a great football game.
There's an extreme lack of Pat Mahomes in this post. :lol
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I have my preferences (Saints > Packers >>> Buccaneers) but I'm already leaning NFC come Super Bowl time. The only team that could POSSIBLY get me to root for them in the AFC is the Browns, and that's not really "football" as much as it is "culture" (meaning, I might want them to win because they're a blue collar, meat-and-potatoes town). I don't dislike the Bills or the Ravens, but I can't root for them against what might come out of the NFC.
I think this Bills/Ravens game is going to be a great football game.
There's an extreme lack of Pat Mahomes in this post. :lol
There’s a reason for that.
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This will be the first NFC championship game for Rodgers at Lambeau.
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The Bills defense is doing exactly what I hoped they would: taking away Lamar Jackson’s running lanes and forcing him to use his subpar arm. Now the Bills offense needs to wake up.
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The wind is definitely affecting the Bills O.
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Great game so far, but then again I love a good defensive game where it feels like every 1st down is huge.
And is there a better team this year at halftime adjustments than the Bills? Their coaching staff has been great at those all season. They went right down the field for a TD to start the 2nd half after struggling their way to only 3 points in the first half.
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Huge pick-6! That might be the play that fully puts the momentum in Buffalo’s favor.
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Yup that’s game. It doesn’t matter how great your running game is, to win big in today’s NFL you HAVE to be able to pass effectively. HAVE to.
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Yup that’s game. It doesn’t matter how great your running game is, to win big in today’s NFL you HAVE to be able to pass effectively. HAVE to.
I know I’ve been critical of Jackson, but him getting hurt is huge for the Ravens. His raw talent gives them a chance no matter what, so him being out or compromised really hinders their chances.
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Bills take a 17-3 lead and then knock Jackson out of the game (he is in concussion protocol). They have seized control of this game.
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If New Orleans gets past Tampa, I’ll be fine with every team left (I’m rooting for Cleveland but I still like Kansas City).
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I wonder why you want N.O.? :lol
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I just want good games the rest of the way, so whichever teams can make that happen, I am all for it.
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Bills take a 17-3 lead and then knock Jackson out of the game (he is in concussion protocol). They have seized control of this game.
If they were up 21-12, would they have assumed control?
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The way N.O. have played against the Bucs that score would be close Josh.
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Bills take a 17-3 lead and then knock Jackson out of the game (he is in concussion protocol). They have seized control of this game.
If they were up 21-12, would they have assumed control?
LOL, yes.
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I wonder why you want N.O.? :lol
It honestly has more to do with Drew Brees being my favorite QB than a certain number 12 being my least favorite athlete of all time.
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The way N.O. have played against the Bucs that score would be close Josh.
I'm just loving the "It's hard to beat a team 3 times" rhetoric that's being parroted ad nauseum this week. It's literally harder to beat a team 2-0 in the same season than 3-0 since teams going for a 3-0 sweep in the playoffs are like 14-7 since the merger. Sports media is both lazy and blatantly dishonest.
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Sports media is ...lazy ..
Preach it, brother.
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I wonder why you want N.O.? :lol
It honestly has more to do with Drew Brees being my favorite QB than a certain number 12 being my least favorite athlete of all time.
I think you answered it. But I do understand.
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Well my team didn’t advance but at least they scored more than 3 frickin points. LOL
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The Bills are one step closer to healing their snakebites.
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The way N.O. have played against the Bucs that score would be close Josh.
I'm just loving the "It's hard to beat a team 3 times" rhetoric that's being parroted ad nauseum this week. It's literally harder to beat a team 2-0 in the same season than 3-0 since teams going for a 3-0 sweep in the playoffs are like 14-7 since the merger. Sports media is both lazy and blatantly dishonest.
I agree. I dot see the Tampa D stopping N.O. at all.
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And on top of that, this same Saints team with many of the same players from our current roster went 3-0 against Carolina just 3 years ago and those dipshits in the media were dryhumping that narrative back then too.
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The last time Buffalo played in the AFC Championship Game, Awake wasn't even released yet.
Happy for Bills Mafia tonight.
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Packers will likely beat either NO or TB, but I just don’t want Brady to get yet another SB birth.
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I do. So Bill Belichick can know he fucked up.
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Any thoughts on the coaching hires?
If I'm a Jags fan (and I'm not) I'm not thrilled with the Urban Meyer hire. I'm not a huge fan of pilfering the college ranks anyway, and I think he's an especially bad bet in the pro game. He's akin to John Calipari, or, to keep it in the sport, Steve Spurrier. He knows the college game and the college player, and I don't think that his particular skillset is going to translate.
If I'm a Jets fan, (and I'm not) I'm a little more happy, but as much as Saleh has had success, I don't know that he's head coach material, and I don't know that he's going to be able to change the organization at a molecular level like it needs to. I know him as a rah-rah guy (which isn't my thing) but word is he's very much an intellect and a quiet leader behind the scenes. So we'll see; we're watching Kevin Stefanski do just that, and Joe Judge, across town, is doing the same thing (apparently). Even so, I'm not wagering any real money on either of these hires.
A couple pages late, but I'm very happy with the Saleh hire. A couple people I follow who cover the league were touting him as a top tier head coaching candidate before the season ended, and since then it's only been more people who know and/or have worked with him coming out of the woodworks to say he's going to be great.
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I do. So Bill Belichick can know he fucked up.
This I can kind of agree with, BB has a massive ego.
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Joe and I have been over this already, but while it's easy to say that Belichick blew it, since the Patriots missed the playoffs and the Bucs are still alive, the Patriots weren't going anywhere this season with anyone at QB. Too many other issues, but I get why Patriots fans hate seeing Brady in another uniform. I hated seeing Albert Pujols in another uniform after he left the Cardinals (different sport, and it was back when I cared about baseball, but same logic applies).
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Joe and I have been over this already, but while it's easy to say that Belichick blew it, since the Patriots missed the playoffs and the Bucs are still alive, the Patriots weren't going anywhere this season with anyone at QB. Too many other issues, but I get why Patriots fans hate seeing Brady in another uniform.
It doesn't bother me. Ill be rooting for the Bradyneers today.
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I have my preferences (Saints > Packers >>> Buccaneers) but I'm already leaning NFC come Super Bowl time. The only team that could POSSIBLY get me to root for them in the AFC is the Browns, and that's not really "football" as much as it is "culture" (meaning, I might want them to win because they're a blue collar, meat-and-potatoes town). I don't dislike the Bills or the Ravens, but I can't root for them against what might come out of the NFC.
I think this Bills/Ravens game is going to be a great football game.
There's an extreme lack of Pat Mahomes in this post. :lol
...those dipshits in the media ... dryhumping that narrative ...
That's kind of my take on this, but that's nothing new.
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If they didn’t have their narratives, they’d have to do actual data analysis and we all know that’s for “nerds”.
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Joe and I have been over this already, but while it's easy to say that Belichick blew it, since the Patriots missed the playoffs and the Bucs are still alive, the Patriots weren't going anywhere this season with anyone at QB. Too many other issues, but I get why Patriots fans hate seeing Brady in another uniform.
It doesn't bother me. Ill be rooting for the Bradyneers today.
Me neither; I kind of disagree with the "Belichick blew it" line of thinking, but either way, I'll take one season of hate in exchange for 20 years of dominant greatness all day long.
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Bills/ Vikings Super Bowl someday should happen.
Both franchises 0-4, 1 will finally be vindicated.
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Bills/ Vikings Super Bowl someday should happen.
Both franchises 0-4, 1 will finally be vindicated.
Isn't ever gonna happen to Minnesota with Kirk Cousins at QB.
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Joe and I have been over this already, but while it's easy to say that Belichick blew it, since the Patriots missed the playoffs and the Bucs are still alive, the Patriots weren't going anywhere this season with anyone at QB. Too many other issues, but I get why Patriots fans hate seeing Brady in another uniform. I hated seeing Albert Pujols in another uniform after he left the Cardinals (different sport, and it was back when I cared about baseball, but same logic applies).
This is kind of where I'm at. And let's also keep in mind that Tampa built an allstar team for Brady and he's had to rely on it. As well as a very soft schedule. Looks to me like they're 2-4 against playoff teams this year. It's no secret that I'm a Belichick guy, but I really think he's done better with what he's got than Brady did with his.
Really, Tampa kind of fascinates me in a way. Not sure I've ever seen a team go all in for one year the way they have. I haven't looked into it, but it sure seems to me that they have to have rally mortgaged their future on this one shot.
As for this game, is there anybody that doesn't want to see Breeze go out on top? Is there anybody that would rather see Brady pick up, yet, another one?
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As for this game, is there anybody that doesn't want to see Breeze go out on top? Is there anybody that would rather see Brady pick up, yet, another one?
Raises hand
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I think there are a lot of Patriots fans that want to see Brady win one in Tamap just to stick it to Belichick, which I find bizarre. I get the loyalty to Brady, but Belichick was just as big a part of those six championships and yet he gets no loyalty from those fans. I know, I know, loyalty in sports is fleeting, but jeez you'd think the coach of the team that brought your city six titles would have some equity.
Edit: not referring to any Patriots fan here specifically (honest). :)
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Well, me rooting for Brady has nothing to do with sticking it to Bill.
Why does everything have to do with choosing sides?
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Well, me rooting for Brady has nothing to do with sticking it to Bill.
Why does everything have to do with choosing sides?
Isn't that what America is like now in 2021? :lol
But I hear ya. :tup :tup
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I'll say that with two sports talk stations in Boston, I am fucking done with the Was it Brady/Was it Belichick debate. It's so fucking stupid.
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I'll say that with two sports talk stations in Boston, I am fucking done with the Was it Brady/Was it Belichick debate. It's so fucking stupid.
Radio sports talk 99% of the time is useless drivel, but they have to talk about something, right? The obvious answer is, it was both of them, but that is a boring answer that doesn't inspire endless debate. :lol :lol
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Belichick said he sold out the last 4 years. I say he didnt do a good enough job as a GM which put him in the position of not keeping his greatest player ever who obviously still has "it."
How did the Pats do with the QB situation this year. Sorry, but it's all on Bill the GM.
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Bills/ Vikings Super Bowl someday should happen.
Both franchises 0-4, 1 will finally be vindicated.
Isn't ever gonna happen to Minnesota with Kirk Cousins at QB.
That, and they stink in NFC CGs. They've now topped off four straight SB losses with four straight NFC CG losses (1987, 1998, 2000, and 2009).
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Dammit. I tune in for what I think is going to be a good football game, and I get:
"Jim Nantz welcoming you to the Cleveland Browns and the KANSAS! CITY! CHIEFS!" (with obvious increase in enthusiasm, thus cueing four minutes on Patrick Mahomes, even though the real story here is the Browns).
Good drive by the Chiefs - if you're going to stymie a Cinderella's momentum, the best way to do that is to come right out and punch them in the nose - but Nantz even has to comment, with obvious awe, at how Mahomes threw the ball into the stands.
Sound? Buh-bye!
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Belichick said he sold out the last 4 years. I say he didnt do a good enough job as a GM which put him in the position of not keeping his greatest player ever who obviously still has "it."
How did the Pats do with the QB situation this year. Sorry, but it's all on Bill the GM.
Nothing short of naming him the new OC was going to make Brady stick around. Maybe trading Gilmore, Hightower, and Van Noy for three elite receivers would have done it, but then he bitch that he can't do it all himself. Brady wanted out and he left. That's that.
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Side bar: they ought to rule out yellow gloves (for my watching convenience, of course). There's a defensive down lineman on the Chiefs with yellow gloves and every play he's in I think there's a flag.
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That, and they stink in NFC CGs. They've now topped off four straight SB losses with four straight NFC CG losses (1987, 1998, 2000, and 2009).
Their loss to the Giants in the NFCCG finally the 2000 season was the most gutless performance I have ever seen in a football championship game. Randy Moss and Cris Carter at WR and in their primes and they got shut out and barely broke 100 yards of total offense.
Dammit. I tune in for what I think is going to be a good football game, and I get:
"Jim Nantz welcoming you to the Cleveland Browns and the KANSAS! CITY! CHIEFS!" (with obvious increase in enthusiasm, thus cueing four minutes on Patrick Mahomes, even though the real story here is the Browns).
Good drive by the Chiefs - if you're going to stymie a Cinderella's momentum, the best way to do that is to come right out and punch them in the nose - but Nantz even has to comment, with obvious awe, at how Mahomes threw the ball into the stands.
Sound? Buh-bye!
Pfft, that is nothing. Did you see the Ravens/Browns MNF game last month? I am pretty Steve Levy would have laid down at the 50-yard line that night and let Lamar Jackson impregnate him, if that were humanly possible.
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Brady wanted out after 2017. Before the 6th ring. I believe the cracks came when he was not backed by the team in Deflategate. Add what he was dealing with with his mom's cancer and the suspension he had to fight really by himself and that was the riff.
Didnt matter after that. He started to do less in the offseason and that did not sit well with Brady.
How many times did Belichick throw accolades at Newton this year with his subpar play? So if I'm Beady, yeah I want out.
So tell me again who is the root cause for Brady leaving? Who is the GM who let it get to what you said El Barto?
There was a reason they were 12-4 in their last year of Brady even though it was a mirage? One guy was the reason.
The chef screwed up the dinner.
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Brady wanted out after 2017. Before the 6th ring. I believe the cracks came when he was not backed by the team in Deflategate. Add what he was dealing with with his mom's cancer and the suspension he had to fight really by himself and that was the riff.
Didnt matter after that. He started to do less in the offseason and that did not sit well with Brady.
How many times did Belichick throw accolades at Newton this year with his subpar play? So if I'm Beady, yeah I want out.
So tell me again who is the root cause for Brady leaving? Who is the GM who let it get to what you said El Barto?
There was a reason they were 12-4 in their last year of Brady even though it was a mirage? One guy was the reason.
The chef screwed up the dinner.
Their number 1 ranked defense in 2019 probably had something to do with that 12-4 record, no? Sure, the defense wasn't as great down the stretch, but they were lights out early on and still finished number 1 in the league.
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The Browns story is amazing and I’m still rooting for them, but they’re in way over their heads in this game. Cleveland’s offense is good enough to win, but their defense is completely outmatched against the Chiefs offense.
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(meaning, I might want them to win because they're a blue collar, meat-and-potatoes town)
Not to pick on you but I've always found this narrative a little irksome. Are people out there rooting against SEA and SFO because they are white collar, computer programming nerd towns?
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(meaning, I might want them to win because they're a blue collar, meat-and-potatoes town)
Not to pick on you but I've always found this narrative a little irksome. Are people out there rooting against SEA and SFO because they are white collar, computer programming nerd towns?
No, I get it; I hear you. But I will cop to a LITTLE of that feeling with LA. For a Northeasterner, who grew up an hour or so from NYC there's an air of "country club" about some of the teams from Los Angeles that is hard for me to root for sometimes.
And most of it has to do with the fans. There's something I admire about sitting in 25 degree weather rooting for your team who is a 14-point underdog, wearing nothing but a pair of sweatpants and a thin coat of orange paint on your chest. Jack Nicholson isn't doing that, nor is Justin Bieber or Channing Tatum. I know, this is a stereotype, I get it, but you asked where that narrative came from. That's where it is for me.
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Sure Kev but how was the offense?
How was that #1 pick Harry? Talk about a disappointment. Who picked him? Oh wait, there was notes from their scouting on not to pick Harry but Belichick went with what his coach told him.
I'm not saying the Pats would be world beaters this year. I am saying the GM is at fault for this demise.
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Brady wanted out after 2017. Before the 6th ring. I believe the cracks came when he was not backed by the team in Deflategate. Add what he was dealing with with his mom's cancer and the suspension he had to fight really by himself and that was the riff.
There was nothing to fight in Deflategate. It was a screwjob. The rest of the league made that very clear. The scandal itself was the punishment. Fighting the allegations would have been a waste of time and a waste of capital. Brady's anger should be at the other owners, and himself for not recognizing the situation for what it was.
Didnt matter after that. He started to do less in the offseason and that did not sit well with Brady.
I assume you meant it didn't sit well with Belichick, and it shouldn't. Brady knew the culture better than anybody, and he wanted to pout rather than contribute. That was his "fuck you" to the Patriot way.
How many times did Belichick throw accolades at Newton this year with his subpar play? So if I'm Beady, yeah I want out.
Setting aside the fact that Brady was already out, what were the accolades for? They were to a one for his leadership and devotion to the team. Think there might be a message there?
So tell me again who is the root cause for Brady leaving? Who is the GM who let it get to what you said El Barto?
Tom Brady, and Bill Belichick respectively. Who created and eventually demanded the situation? Tom Brady.
There was a reason they were 12-4 in their last year of Brady even though it was a mirage? One guy was the reason.
Brady definitely contributed, but not as much as the D.
I could actually point out several reasons why TB12 contributed to the Patriots demise, but I've got company over.
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Barto doing good work here. ;)
Joe, you and I are in agreement about BB the GM (which we have discussed here and offline before), but the defense had a major hand in that 12-4 record in 2019. Belichich is notoriously awful at drafting WR's, but Brady looked disinterested in 2019 and like he had no interest in working with new receivers, so he deserves some blame for that, no?
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That endzone fumble rule needs to be changed. The defense should never get the ball if they don’t actually recover the fumble. The ball should be placed at the one yard line.
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Anyone think that was leading with the helmet on Sorensen?
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Anyone think that was leading with the helmet on Sorensen?
Tony Romo said as much. Another example of the refs being asleep during a huge moment.
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That is ball game. Chiefs benefit by a) one of the dumbest rules in sports, and b) the refs missing a blatant helmet to helmet, which could be argued caused the fumble. Nice work, NFL, once again.
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That is ball game. Chiefs benefit by a) one of the dumbest rules in sports, and b) the refs missing a blatant helmet to helmet, which could be argued caused the fumble. Nice work, NFL, once again.
I actually like the Chiefs, but I’ll be rooting harder for the Bills next week than I ever have.
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El Barto. You have to be in N.E. to hear the press conferences every day. You never hear these kind of accolades from him. It was the total opposite of Brady.
I'll assume he thought Brady was more mentally tough or that Newton needed that but from a guy who only talked accolades for only a retired player to every day praising Cam was quite a shock and was talked about daily on sports talk.
Scott Zolak who was a QB for the Pats was for benching Cam and couldn't figure out the praise either.
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Scott Zolak is an ass clown.
Belichick uses his press conferences to speak to his team, not us. He had no alternative to Newton, and he said what he had to say to keep his team going.
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Not arguing with you, King, but I can't seem to shake that Bill has 20 years of excellence in New England, and sustained excellence elsewhere (NY and Cleveland) that says "he had a reason, beyond just fondling Cam's balls or sticking it to Brady". I think it's sort of sad that so many - not meaning you, personally, I'm talking more the media and analysts - are so quick to forget that. We may not agree with the reason, but as someone that thinks Cam SUCKS and that this was a bad idea from the get go, I have to believe that Bill had SOME rationale for it.
EDIT: What TAC said.
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Hey Tim. You think Belichick did the right thing this year then? You wouldn't have benched Cam after not throwing 100 yards 3 games in a row? Not leading receivers, not being able to throw a simple screen pass? Not being able when 8 are in the box to change the play and throw fir a 1st down?
Sure Belichick had the best intentions. Sorry but he does not get a pass for what happened to this team especially as the guy who picks the team and coaches them.
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Besides Tim. You think everyone is an ass clown. :lol
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Credit to the Browns right now. There is no quit in this team.
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Hey Tim. You think Belichick did the right thing this year then?
Do I think he did the right thing? I don't know, honestly.
I think he tried to catch lightning in a bottle with Cam, and thought it would be a low risk ($$) high reward signing. Except that he had zero faith in Stidham, and Newton's seemed to own the room. I just think he was knee deep in it by the time it was clear that Newton couldn't play. Personally, I would've liked to see what Stidham could do with a week of prep and a start.
But it seemed like Bill was not simply going to grant that to Stidham without perhaps thinking that he earned it.....not that Cam deserved to keep playing either.
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It had to be that bad then with the way Cam was playing. So can we blame the GM on the pick of Stidham and not picking another QB in the draft?
Why the fight to protect Bill? He's messed this situation up.
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Who's protecting him?
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Mahomes is officially out for the rest of the game with a concussion. You never want to see that, but if Cleveland has any hope of winning, they need to take advantage of this.
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Cleveland is fighting! They have a chance!
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I've been saying the whole time I blame the GM for this situation.
Damn. Mahomes out the rest of the game.
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I think Jim Nantz is crying.
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Enough Patriots talk. Let's talk about the relevant teams at the moment, ya know, the ones still playing!! ;)
Mahomes out with a concussion and the Browns are within 5. I'd love to see the upset.
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Wow I guess it’s ok to wrap your arm around a guy’s neck, twist it, and slam his head into the ground without a flag. Hope you feel good about this Cleveland it’s the only way you were going to win. Assholes.
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Wow I guess it’s ok to wrap your arm around a guy’s neck, twist it, and slam his head into the ground without a flag. Hope you feel good about this Cleveland it’s the only way you were going to win. Assholes.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
It was a clean hit.
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I think Jim Nantz is crying.
So you ARE listening..
I've been saying the whole time I blame the GM for this situation.
Well he hasn't drafted very well for the last half dozen years, and can't seem to draft a WR.
But I don't separate Bill the GM from Bill the Coach. I think it's all Bill's philosophy on value, draft capital, etc.
Bill needs to find a QB.
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Enough Patriots talk.
You started it!
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Wow I guess it’s ok to wrap your arm around a guy’s neck, twist it, and slam his head into the ground without a flag. Hope you feel good about this Cleveland it’s the only way you were going to win. Assholes.
LoL, you can't be serious.
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Wow I guess it’s ok to wrap your arm around a guy’s neck, twist it, and slam his head into the ground without a flag. Hope you feel good about this Cleveland it’s the only way you were going to win. Assholes.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
It was a clean hit.
There was nothing wrong with that hit.
And for the record, I hate to see that.
The problem for the Browns is that Reid is a great coach. That was a fantastic call throwing downfield to Hill on the first play for Henne; show the Browns (and the rest of the Chiefs team) that we're not rolling over. (Don't ever say you can't teach an old dog new tricks; I always thought Reid was good not great, and made too many in-game mistakes. I don't think that's the case anymore.)
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That's a huge interception by the Browns!
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Enough Patriots talk.
You started it!
Well you are lucky. I'm starting to cook dinner in a few. Lol
And an interception! Hot damn!
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Huge interception! I have not sat down since the end of the third quarter. Screw the edge of my seat. I’m way beyond that.
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Gutsy call on 4th & 1.
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And squandered... :-\
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There was nothing wrong with the hit on Mahomes. Honestly, I'm not even sure how he got concussed. He was clearly back in Henrietta when he go up, but his head was cradled pretty much the entire play. I figured neck stinger, actually.
Regardless, it's a damn shame. Vested interests aside, it's bad for a football game, just as it was when Jackson went out. I don't want to see teams play without their best players.
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I figured neck stinger, actually.
Yeah, this was my first thought upon seeing the replay.
I also agree, bad for the game and I don't like seeing players get hurt like that, but it's a risk you take in every game.
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Well the Browns put up a good fight. Good game.
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Hell of a call on 4th down and how they made it look like they were trying to draw them offsides.
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My god, the balls on Andy Reid must have their own moons.
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Great game. Kansas City proved they’re more than just Patrick Mahomes, and Cleveland should be proud of what they accomplished this season.
And now, on to the most stressful game of the season.
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Gutsy call, wow
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My god, the balls on Andy Reid must have their own moons.
No kidding.
It's all relative, and I'm a big fan of Stefanski, but relatively speaking, he got out coached in that fourth quarter. His team blew two timeouts, gave Henne the out to the left on that scramble (they loaded the right side on that play), and that last play was not something that the Chiefs have never done before. Great job all told, and this is more compliment to Reid than dig on Kevin.
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Yeah, those 2 timeouts were important.
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Yeah - good for the Chiefs.
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Cleveland should be proud of what they accomplished this season.
Yes agreed, and there's lots to take from this game, good and bad, that should help them next year.
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Gutsy job by the Chiefs to hang on and win that game.
Regarding the timeouts, I never get the coaches who blow them early in the half. In the second half especially, you have to save them all for the end for instances like that. I remember Jimmy Johnson on The Herd once saying that no one was allowed to call a timeout except him. No other coaches, no players on the field, only him.
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And that, kids, is why you don't try to blow up kick returners. Great for highlight films. Terrible football.
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My god, the balls on Andy Reid must have their own moons.
:lol Awesome. Reid has gotten Mahomes seriously injured twice now on running plays. Since he’s statistically the greatest passer ever so far, maybe let him THROW.
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And that, kids, is why you don't try to blow up kick returners. Great for highlight films. Terrible football.
Looking eerily like a 3 peat.
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My god, the balls on Andy Reid must have their own moons.
:lol Awesome. Reid has gotten Mahomes seriously injured twice now on running plays. Since he’s statistically the greatest passer ever so far, maybe let him THROW.
So... QB Rating is the only measure we're going to use? Let's see:
Yards (Career): Brees
Yards (Season): Manning (Mahomes not in top five)
TDs (Career): Brady
TDs (Season): Manning (Mahomes tied for second with Brady)
Completion % (Career): Watson (Mahomes tied for fifth)
Completion % (Season): Brees (Mahomes not in top 35)
QB Rating (Career): Mahomes
QB Rating (Season): Rodgers (Mahomes not in top ten)
Wins (Career): Brady
SP Wins (Career): Brady
Seeing as 8 of the top 10 (and 14 of the top 20) career leaders in QBR are active, and only one of the top ten (and three of the top 20) has made the NFL Hall Of Fame, mind if I disagree with that?
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I missed a lot of chatter earlier on the Browns/Chiefs game. I wondered about that helmet to helmet thing before they went to commercial and before either of the announcers mentioned it. That's the problem with rules like that - it's unevenly enforced. That sort of thing HAS TO be reviewable. The touchback rule is dumb as fuck, but it's been that way for a long time. It ought to be changed, but not because of this incident.
Not saying the outcome of the game would have changed (the Browns defense was shitty at the end), but it would have been nice to have seen the rest of the game with a proper call having been made.
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This game feels over. The Bucs took the Saints best shot early, turned an INT into an easy TD, and Brees looks cooked.
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Haha, it took getting Brees out of the game for the Saints offense to hit a big play.
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I missed a lot of chatter earlier on the Browns/Chiefs game. I wondered about that helmet to helmet thing before they went to commercial and before either of the announcers mentioned it. That's the problem with rules like that - it's unevenly enforced. That sort of thing HAS TO be reviewable. The touchback rule is dumb as fuck, but it's been that way for a long time. It ought to be changed, but not because of this incident.
Not saying the outcome of the game would have changed (the Browns defense was shitty at the end), but it would have been nice to have seen the rest of the game with a proper call having been made.
I don't have a problem with the touchback rule. Like you said, it's been that way forever. I don't have a problem with not reviewing penalties, either. Let the refs call it. My problem is that "scoring plays" should be subject to a booth review, either way. As it stands, it's only reviewed if it's called a TD. We've seen referees err on the TD side plenty of times for that reason. It's the safe call as there's an added layer of protection. Reviewing that play would have allowed them to call the penalty. In this case the refs got it right, but considering how close it was a review would have been reasonable.
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Neither QB looks good so far, but at least Brady can throw it more than 10 yards and not have it looked like a wounded duck. Ugly game.
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If either of these offenses play like this next week the Packers are going to have a field day
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If I am a Saint, I am livid with Sean Payton for not designing more plays for Winston this week. It is clear as day that Brees is extremely limited, yet Payton keeps running their offense where it feels like even getting a 1st down takes major effort. Bucs have not played well today, but they have taken advantage of every mistake the Saints have made and deserve this win.
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I have an acquaintance from high school who is now an nfl analyst and he said on Twitter how each of their offenses look antiquated compared to GB’s.
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LOL at Brees. This game is so bad, neither team wants to win. Bress is like, ok fine, here have one more turnover. :biggrin:
I'm happy the Bucs will win they at least get the closest they've been to the Superbowl since they last won it. They don't stand a chance against the Packers.
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I guess Payton is more concerned with letting Brees finish his career out with a loss tonight than giving the team a chance to win. Maybe Winston would immediately throw a pick-6, but you need 10 points in four minutes and you are leaving in a QB who can barely throw the ball accurately 10 yards down the field. Payton shit the bed big time today.
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I like how my reply could be referring to either of the last two INTs.
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Payton shit the bed big time today.
He's the most overrated coach in the league. I've been saying that here for years.
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Payton shit the bed big time today.
He's the most overrated coach in the league. I've been saying that here for years.
I don't disagree. He had Drew Brees for a decade and a half and only made it to one Super Bowl. Yeah, they had some bad luck and brutal losses, but results are results. 1-3 in his last four playoff games, all home games, but hey at least that one win was against Mitchell Trubisky. :lol :lol
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I did my stats on it a couple of years ago. At that point the two averaged a 9-7 record together. Yes the last two years since have been much better.
One SB.
Only 3 Conference Championship games.
Personally I like Brees. But Payton is a douche. He's had a HOF QB and has done jack shit with him.
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I guess I like the Packers now?
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Yeah, Brees is a class act and it sucks to see him go out like this, but it rarely ends well for the legends. Dan Marino went out with a 62-7 loss to the Jaguars. Most don't get the John Elway or Peyton Manning ending.
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If coaches REALLY were coaching to win and win only, Brees would have been replaced. Then again I never saw Belichick take Brady out no matter how poorly he played. Can’t mess with the brand I guess.
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Man, of all the top echelon QB/coach duos in NFL history to have won one or fewer titles together, I can't think of any that pissed away nearly as many postseason opportunities with more talent than Brees and Payton. They literally only won more than one playoff game in a season once or basically twice if you count the 2018 fuckover which in no realistic way should ever be counted as a loss for them. 9 playoff appearances with only 3 times advancing to so much as the NFC CG and only 1 SB appearance.
And yes, Payton is dogshit. Absolute failure at game planning in the postseason. If we were able to have the regular season Saints play a game against the playoff Saints, regular season Saints would win by at least 20 points.
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It continues to be amazing how much luck Brady has had in addition to his own talent and effort. The Bucs scored 0 touchdowns on the 8 drives that began in their own territory, but got gifted 4 turnovers and 3 short fields. Feel bad for Saints fans and Brees, he didn't deserve to go out like this.
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I feel bad for being enough of a rube to not abandon the NFL altogether after the 2018 fuckjob. But I do at least feel somewhat better blaming myself cuz it at least keeps my conscious of the reality that I can and probably will finally move on. I think part of me couldn't let go as long as we had Brees but even this season was conflicting for me after he more or less aligned himself with the narrative that kneeling for the flag somehow is an intentional slight to the troops.
Just give me NBA and occasional bandwagoning for LSU when they win their occasional titles.
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If coaches REALLY were coaching to win and win only, Brees would have been replaced. Then again I never saw Belichick take Brady out no matter how poorly he played. Can’t mess with the brand I guess.
Not sure why you jump to something as cynical as "brand"; there's wisdom in keeping with guys like that that doesn't apply to young kids who could use a break or breather. They often bring things to the game besides "laser pass" or "sweet scramble to the right". If I had Brees or Brady, and there weren't health issues (which may actually be the case with Brees), I'm going down with my best. Your logic might have led to Brady riding the pine in the second half of that Falcons game. I know Sean Payton is high on Jameis Winston, but if I'm at the doorstep to the NFC Championship, I want someone like Brees in charge of my ship.
I get that I'm not an NFL coach, and for a reason, but I don't think this is an outrageous or controversial opinion.
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It continues to be amazing how much luck Brady has had in addition to his own talent and effort. The Bucs scored 0 touchdowns on the 8 drives that began in their own territory, but got gifted 4 turnovers and 3 short fields. Feel bad for Saints fans and Brees, he didn't deserve to go out like this.
How is that luck for Brady? Everyone has their job, and he does his as well as anyone to ever play the game. It's not luck that he didn't turn the ball over, and it's not luck that he took advantage of the turnovers his teammates got on defense. Great players make everyone around them better, on both sides of the ball.
To reduce 9 Super Bowl appearances in 20 years to "luck" is just... insulting. I'm not sure at that point what he would have to do to get recognized as the greatest of all time as opposed to "lucky".
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You have to capitalize on their mistake and Tampa did.
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It continues to be amazing how much luck Brady has had in addition to his own talent and effort. The Bucs scored 0 touchdowns on the 8 drives that began in their own territory, but got gifted 4 turnovers and 3 short fields. Feel bad for Saints fans and Brees, he didn't deserve to go out like this.
How is that luck for Brady? Everyone has their job, and he does his as well as anyone to ever play the game. It's not luck that he didn't turn the ball over, and it's not luck that he took advantage of the turnovers his teammates got on defense. Great players make everyone around them better, on both sides of the ball.
To reduce 9 Super Bowl appearances in 20 years to "luck" is just... insulting. I'm not sure at that point what he would have to do to get recognized as the greatest of all time as opposed to "lucky".
I would never reduce his career to luck. He's the GOAT. I would say he's had more than his fair of good fortune this year, though, including last night. And while that normally applies to everybody, what is the number one focus of all of the coverage going to be now? Tom Brady. And in this case Tom Brady vs Aaron Rodgers. The story from last night should be an opportunistic D and Brees's inability to play. It won't, though.
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I knew the Rams weren't good enough. ::) Go Bills and Pack I guess.
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I knew the Rams weren't good enough. ::) Go Bills and Pack I guess.
I want whoever comes out of the AFC to win the Super Bowl, but I'd MUCH prefer the Bills.
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I don't know why, but I am just not impressed with Tampa as I am with Green Bay. And if P-Diddy Mahomes is hurt then I think Buffalo can take KC. My sentimental pick to win it all is Buffalo. They've got great fans.
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I don't know why, but I am just not impressed with Tampa as I am with Green Bay. And if P-Diddy Mahomes is hurt then I think Buffalo can take KC. My sentimental pick to win it all is Buffalo. They've got great fans.
Hard not to root for the Bills! I think GB is the top team ATM, especially if Mahomes doesn't clear the protocol.
Rankings..
1. GB
2. KC - with Mahomes
3. Bills
4. Bucs
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I don't know why, but I am just not impressed with Tampa as I am with Green Bay. And if P-Diddy Mahomes is hurt then I think Buffalo can take KC. My sentimental pick to win it all is Buffalo. They've got great fans.
Hard not to root for the Bills! I think GB is the top team ATM, especially if Mahomes doesn't clear the protocol.
Rankings..
1. GB
2. KC - with Mahomes
3. Bills
4. Bucs
Is Mahomes really in protocol? He technically didn't concuss (correct me if I wrong). Also, don't you think the league would make an exception for the sake of ratings?
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You honesty don’t think he was concussed? When he got up he didn’t know what way was up.
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You honesty don’t think he was concussed? When he got up he didn’t know what way was up.
Oh I agree with that but he didn't have a violent head collision. They're saying he lost oxygen - choked out? Don't get me wrong, it was disturbing to watch but was he really concussed because it could affect his ability to go on Sunday?
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You honesty don’t think he was concussed? When he got up he didn’t know what way was up.
Oh I agree with that but he didn't have a violent head collision. They're saying he lost oxygen - choked out? Don't get me wrong, it was disturbing to watch but was he really concussed because it could affect his ability to go on Sunday?
I don't know about the "choked out", but there are something like six different kinds of concussions that all trigger the protocol, and not all need a direct blow to the head. That was one of the revelations from the last couple years of research.
Although I initially thought it was an ankle - he injured his foot/toe/ankle earlier in the game - it was pretty clear he didn't know whether he was receiving the Rodgers rate or the Patrick rate at that moment in time. Concussions heal, but unlike a rib injury (Hi, Drew!) you can't really rush the return anymore. There have been guys that cleared protocol in hours (like, 24, 48), days, weeks, or even (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.) months. I don't at all expect him to be "weeks, or even months", but I wouldn't GUARANTEE Sunday. It's likely, but not guaranteed.
And while I'm as prone to conspiracy thinking as anyone else, I think the idea that somehow the league gets to override the protocol is magical thinking.
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You honesty don’t think he was concussed? When he got up he didn’t know what way was up.
He clearly looked like a man that got his bell rung. I just didn't see any sort of violent collision with his noggin. Whereas a blow to the brachial nexus will have the same effect. No brain trauma, but you'll certainly be staggering and stumbling about for a few minutes. He was collared pretty good when he came down, which is why I assumed that's what actually happened. I was honestly surprised when they ruled him out.
edit: And while I was typing that the folks at CBS were typing the same thing.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tweaked-nerve-put-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-in-concussion-protocol-entering-afc-championship-game-per-report/
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I don't know why, but I am just not impressed with Tampa as I am with Green Bay. And if P-Diddy Mahomes is hurt then I think Buffalo can take KC. My sentimental pick to win it all is Buffalo. They've got great fans.
Hard not to root for the Bills! I think GB is the top team ATM, especially if Mahomes doesn't clear the protocol.
Rankings..
1. GB
2. KC - with Mahomes
3. Bills
4. Bucs
Is Mahomes really in protocol? He technically didn't concuss (correct me if I wrong). Also, don't you think the league would make an exception for the sake of ratings?
Yes, he is in protocol. Oh, you mean put the highest paid player in the league in harms way to get better ratings? Are you kidding? :facepalm:
You honesty don’t think he was concussed? When he got up he didn’t know what way was up.
Oh I agree with that but he didn't have a violent head collision. They're saying he lost oxygen - choked out? Don't get me wrong, it was disturbing to watch but was he really concussed because it could affect his ability to go on Sunday?
He received a helmet to the back of his helmet. Of course he was concussed. He also got the wind knocked out of him. He most likely will not play Sunday.
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He received a helmet to the back of his helmet. Of course he was concussed. He also got the wind knocked out of him. He most likely will not play Sunday.
No he didn't. Wilson's helmet barely grazed his, and his head was cradled so it didn't hit the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mrsM9y8OTA
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Yeah - Mahomes did not get his head knocked around. From what I have learned, if a player gets up woozy from a play, they automatically get put in concussion protocol which is crazy because he did not take a blow to the head.
That's why I mentioned that the league would make an exception for the highest paid and most popular player in the league.
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And now, suddenly, I'm not so sure. I definitely don't see any specific hard impact, but watching it in slo-mo he very clearly postures, which does suggest brain trauma. I didn't catch that until a Dr on youtube pointed it out, but it's plain as day. His left leg is stiff as a board for a second after he goes down, and that spells concussion. Maybe there was enough deceleration during the tackle for his brain to bounce off the front of his skull even without contact.
Also, I don't know if the posturing rules out the neck stinger theory. The brain might react the same way to a knockout blow as it does a traditional concussion. That's beyond my pay grade.
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He received a helmet to the back of his helmet. Of course he was concussed. He also got the wind knocked out of him. He most likely will not play Sunday.
No he didn't. Wilson's helmet barely grazed his, and his head was cradled so it didn't hit the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mrsM9y8OTA
Ok, you're right about the back of the helmet, but watch the video more closely. His face mask comes down on top of the ball. That's what caused the concussion.
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He received a helmet to the back of his helmet. Of course he was concussed. He also got the wind knocked out of him. He most likely will not play Sunday.
No he didn't. Wilson's helmet barely grazed his, and his head was cradled so it didn't hit the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mrsM9y8OTA
Ok, you're right about the back of the helmet, but watch the video more closely. His face mask comes down on top of the ball. That's what caused the concussion.
Maybe. Thought it seems like the ball would have absorbed a lot of the energy, though. His people are saying neck stinger, and I still think that's a good possibility. At this point I really don't know.
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I think there's a 90% chance he clears the concussion protocol before Sunday, whether he should or not.
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I think there's a 90% chance he clears the concussion protocol before Sunday, whether he should or not.
Why would you think that?
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And bear in mind, it's the playoffs. You have to balance the psyche of the team versus the psychological warfare with the Bills (you want the Bills scheming for Henne (because it's easier for the Bills to scheme for Mahomes and adjust to Henne rather than the other way around), so all information is suspect.
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If the Bills are dumb enough to scheme for Henne they need to just forfeit the game and go play golf and knock back Stroh's on Sunday.
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If the Bills are dumb enough to scheme for Henne they need to just forfeit the game and go play golf and knock back Stroh's on Sunday.
Ewww, Stroh's. Quite possibly the worst beer in the world.
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Sir, this commercial seems to say otherwise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gOxgZCOI1c
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My grandfather drank Schlitz. My best friend's dad growing up drank Schaefer. My old man was a Bud drinker. His friends were all Coors light. Miller light was ubiquitous. When I was a young teenager my older teenaged friends would always score us Carling Black label because of the slightly higher ABV. When my brother scored cheep beer it was the Bull for its even slightly higher ABV. In my early 20s MGD was all the rage. Nowadays a good friend is still quite fond of Miller High Life. Hell, I drink Mexican beer. Throughout my life I've been exposed to dozens of cheap beers by dozens of people. The one thing every one of them was certain about was that Stroh's is fucking piss. :lol
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HAHAHA, that's a memory parade right there! Surprisingly, it was a very similar breakdown up here in the Northeast.
My dad and grandfather and the uncles rotated between the same three: Shlitz, Schaeffer ("the one beer to have when you're having more than one!") and Black Label, though more the latter two.
I drank Miller High Life or Miller Lite when in high school and college and I had the choice; there was a lot of Budweiser drank as a way of compromise. Though you could get a case of Shaeffer bar bottles for like $8, at the campus liquor store, which was a good price then.
Right now I'll choose between Guiness, Miller High Life and Blue Moon.
Never Stroh's. :)
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My grandfather drank Schlitz. My best friend's dad growing up drank Schaefer. My old man was a Bud drinker. His friends were all Coors light. Miller light was ubiquitous. When I was a young teenager my older teenaged friends would always score us Carling Black label because of the slightly higher ABV. When my brother scored cheep beer it was the Bull for its even slightly higher ABV. In my early 20s MGD was all the rage. Nowadays a good friend is still quite fond of Miller High Life. Hell, I drink Mexican beer. Throughout my life I've been exposed to dozens of cheap beers by dozens of people. The one thing every one of them was certain about was that Stroh's is fucking piss. :lol
There's the more elegant explanation I was looking for :tup
Hammer meet nail.
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We put down a lot of Keystone in college. And Busch. Both fucking nasty. But never Stroh's. ;D
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I think there's a 90% chance he clears the concussion protocol before Sunday, whether he should or not.
Why would you think that?
Because the team (and Mahomes) will prioritize winning over his long term health (unless he's still really woozy in a few days). And the league will be happy with the increased ratings and won't ask questions.
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He isn't cleared by team officials though. Those involved are separate from the team so the team has no say.
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We put down a lot of Keystone in college. And Busch. Both fucking nasty. But never Stroh's. ;D
In my early Navy days I was already on the import bandwagon.... Lowenbrau :metal
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My grandfather drank Schlitz. My best friend's dad growing up drank Schaefer. My old man was a Bud drinker. His friends were all Coors light. Miller light was ubiquitous. When I was a young teenager my older teenaged friends would always score us Carling Black label because of the slightly higher ABV. When my brother scored cheep beer it was the Bull for its even slightly higher ABV. In my early 20s MGD was all the rage. Nowadays a good friend is still quite fond of Miller High Life. Hell, I drink Mexican beer. Throughout my life I've been exposed to dozens of cheap beers by dozens of people. The one thing every one of them was certain about was that Stroh's is fucking piss. :lol
LOL!
Back in the day, MGD was my beer of choice, but I was known to knock back a Schaefer or two. Hell...I think we once tore through a 12-pack of "Beer" (the plain wrap stuff from the grocery store).
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/225070_1024371410114_7121_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=2&_nc_sid=2c4854&_nc_ohc=lTJ8aWYiuIIAX-atVZU&_nc_oc=AQk14nu4DqI9oRXbGy-I0sqhYvvOyR5r6clFb4KW6PqTCpKewy1Til9lYj2C0H02YYk&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=5b875bd72ce58fa385521477cf22ac30&oe=602D3957)
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I was a Michelob teen and every once in a while I'd be stupid and get a 6 pack of Haffenreffer, the Green Death.
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OMG that Stroh's commercial is like the most generic beer commercial ever. I remember the dog Alex from those commercials.
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every once in a while I'd be stupid and get a 6 pack of Haffenreffer, the Green Death.
I would have guessed the "Green Death" title would go to Mickeys Big Mouth!
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every once in a while I'd be stupid and get a 6 pack of Haffenreffer, the Green Death.
I would have guessed the "Green Death" title would go to Mickeys Big Mouth!
LOL!
(https://www.mickeys.com/sites/mickeys/files/hero/image/mobile/W75777_Mic_Web_Home_Desktop_and_Mobile_Home_970x1000_1.jpg)
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every once in a while I'd be stupid and get a 6 pack of Haffenreffer, the Green Death.
I would have guessed the "Green Death" title would go to Mickeys Big Mouth!
I was dumb with those as well. LOL
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We had Mickey's down here, but I only knew one person that drank them (wild red-headed chick, go figure). I've never heard of Haffenreffer. Definitely a regional thing. Malt liquor down here was Colt and the Bull. That was about it. And truth be told, when I was at the age of drinking strictly to get smashed, we either went with Boone's Farm or skipped to hard liquor (and often times combined the two).
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We had Mickey's down here, but I only knew one person that drank them (wild red-headed chick, go figure). I've never heard of Haffenreffer. Definitely a regional thing. Malt liquor down here was Colt and the Bull. That was about it.
Olde (motherfucking) English!
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We had Mickey's down here, but I only knew one person that drank them (wild red-headed chick, go figure). I've never heard of Haffenreffer. Definitely a regional thing. Malt liquor down here was Colt and the Bull. That was about it.
Olde (motherfucking) English!
I'm sure I've sniffed some furniture polish before but I've never drank it.
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We had Mickey's down here, but I only knew one person that drank them (wild red-headed chick, go figure). I've never heard of Haffenreffer. Definitely a regional thing. Malt liquor down here was Colt and the Bull. That was about it. And truth be told, when I was at the age of drinking strictly to get smashed, we either went with Boone's Farm or skipped to hard liquor (and often times combined the two).
Haffenreffer use to have these caps. 2 beers in and I was done. Couldn't figure these out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pLGr4tLm/001-cap-rebus.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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We had Mickey's down here, but I only knew one person that drank them (wild red-headed chick, go figure). I've never heard of Haffenreffer. Definitely a regional thing. Malt liquor down here was Colt and the Bull. That was about it.
Olde (motherfucking) English!
I'm sure I've sniffed some furniture polish before but I've never drank it.
LOL!
(https://images.albertsons-media.com/is/image/ABS/289010067?$ecom-pdp-desktop$&defaultImage=Not_Available&defaultImage=Not_Available)
We had Mickey's down here, but I only knew one person that drank them (wild red-headed chick, go figure). I've never heard of Haffenreffer. Definitely a regional thing. Malt liquor down here was Colt and the Bull. That was about it. And truth be told, when I was at the age of drinking strictly to get smashed, we either went with Boone's Farm or skipped to hard liquor (and often times combined the two).
Haffenreffer use to have these caps. 2 beers in and I was done. Couldn't figure these out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pLGr4tLm/001-cap-rebus.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
When it's springtime in the mountains. What that has to do with shitty beer is beyond me.
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Just to continue the derail, here’s the garbage beer I remember from my youth, think it was only a local thing though...
(https://i.imgur.com/6INROiK.jpg)
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When it's springtime in the mountains. What that has to do with shitty beer is beyond me.
Cuz that shit'll get ya so drunk that when you're sprung you'll be mountain anything that'll let ya.
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Just to continue the derail, here’s the garbage beer I remember from my youth, think it was only a local thing though...
That seems downright sinful for a Milwaukeean!
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Haffenreffer use to have these caps. 2 beers in and I was done. Couldn't figure these out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pLGr4tLm/001-cap-rebus.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
I remember those. They were great!
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Just to continue the derail, here’s the garbage beer I remember from my youth, think it was only a local thing though...
That seems downright sinful for a Milwaukeean!
I think it was made by Pabst, so I’m okay even though I’m not really a Milwaukeean (I’m in central WI).
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Hey want some more deep NFL analysis? Marcellius Wiley said Brady is more valuable to his team than Rodgers because he “activates the will of those around him”. He gets PAID to say Brady basically has Jedi mind powers (but for some reason those powers don’t always work). LOL at this hack job.
Despite the wealth of data available, sports fans today are dumber than they were 70 years ago. I can’t imagine some kids on the playground in the 50s arguing Mantle vs Mays and one saying “count the ringzzz” even though Mantle was in the World Series every year and Mays wasn’t.
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So are you saying Mantle didn't have Jedi mind tricks?
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Wiley goes a little haywire with his takes at times, but Speak for Yourself is an entertaining watch. The chemistry between Wiley and Emmanuel Acho is amazing, and while I don't always agree with Acho's takes either, he has quickly become one of the best sports talking heads on television nowadays. Granted, there are a lot of hacks, but Acho is good.
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Who the fuck are these people and how do you even know about them?
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I catch their clips on Twitter and/or YT sometimes when I want a little sports chatter at lunch or in the evening. That show or Cowherd is what I listen to. What else is there, First Take or that awful crap with Skip Bayless? Hell no. :lol :lol
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I DTF at lunch. ;D
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:lol :lol
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Who the fuck are these people and how do you even know about them?
Jesus Fucking Christ you gimp. Does your master let you out of the box for 1 hour a day?
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You know who Wiley and Acho is??
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Yup. You should try to internet, or watch cable. They are on daily yo gimp.
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I don't think I get that channel. :lol
Gotta add some aluminum foil to the antennae.
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Yup. You should try to internet, or watch cable. They are on daily yo gimp.
How do you have all this time for TVing and listening to music?
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You have to have cable first you old bastard.
You are the Osama bin Laden of technology. Come back to us Tim.
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Imagine if this forum was around in 1988.
TAC: I have never heard of Guns N' Roses and Def Leppard. Who are they?
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Hey I was in on Def Leppard in 1981 and GnR in 1987!
You have to have cable first you old bastard.
I have cable! Ass!
Boston Sports Tonight is on, but I'm listening to UFO, so I can't hear what they're saying.
I watched the Pens/Caps game tonight.
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Think of First Take but on Fox. Fox does have links to them. I'll send you that tomorrow.
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I don't watch First Take. Is that with Steven A or Shannon Sharpe? I hate national sports shows. How do you have time for that??
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Except there is no Screaming A. Smith on FS1.
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Yeah but there's pleanty of ass takes from Shannon Sharpe and his compadre. :lol
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I love me some Shannon Sharpe, but I can't take two seconds of that narcissistic sociopath that he works with.
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I don't think my TV has ever seen FS1.
So here's the deal... After work, shower and dinner with The Lovely Mrs TAC, I basically have 7:30/8:00 to 11:00 pm.
If there's a Bruins game, I watch that. If there's a Celtics game, I'll watch that with my son. If neither, I'll watch whatever hockey game is on.
In the summer, it's the Sox, or whatever out of town game there is. With the exception of the C's, I'll usually be listening to music during this time.
Or I my be in a youtube rabbit hole of some sort.
That is my night.
I don't watch any TV show, and I don't watch any national sports talk show.
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So tell me this. At work, you don't DTF? I know you do so go on FSN and watch a few videos.
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I don't watch any TV show, and I don't watch any national sports talk show.
Different circumstances, but I cannot recall the last TV show I watched with more than a passing interest. Yes, I can. NCIS, about 7 years ago. (though almost through The Mandalorian now, but that is a limited run thing).
I also do not listen or watch any national sports shows. I used to listen to Rome but he is no longer on here, and his show is a shadow of his glory days. I do listen to local sports talk radio though, but that is as much for the personalities, and the local flavor/insight.
And I haven't had a beer in 25 years.
On the topic of football, I just read The Weeknd is doing the SB halftime show. Apparently he does music, or something?
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shower and dinner with The Lovely Mrs TAC
At the same time?!?!? :biggrin:
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every once in a while I'd be stupid and get a 6 pack of Haffenreffer, the Green Death.
I would have guessed the "Green Death" title would go to Mickeys Big Mouth!
I was dumb with those as well. LOL
Mickey's is still my go to beer. It's not high in alcohol percentage (unless you get Mickey's ice) and tastes good. I usually get the green 24oz cans. I tend drink more of those when the Seahawks lose. Come to think of it, I drink more of those when they win too.. 😄
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Hey want some more deep NFL analysis? Marcellius Wiley said Brady is more valuable to his team than Rodgers because he “activates the will of those around him”. He gets PAID to say Brady basically has Jedi mind powers (but for some reason those powers don’t always work). LOL at this hack job.
Despite the wealth of data available, sports fans today are dumber than they were 70 years ago. I can’t imagine some kids on the playground in the 50s arguing Mantle vs Mays and one saying “count the ringzzz” even though Mantle was in the World Series every year and Mays wasn’t.
Maybe, maybe not, but the wierd "hate" towards Mantle for HAVING all those rings was just as great as the hate towards Brady for having his. ;)
And it might be the sport; Johnny U. was the Brady of his day, and it's in part because that mofo WON.
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Hey I was in on Def Leppard in 1981 and GnR in 1987!
You have to have cable first you old bastard.
I have cable! Ass!
Boston Sports Tonight is on, but I'm listening to UFO, so I can't hear what they're saying.
I watched the Pens/Caps game tonight.
For some reason this made me spew coffee on my desk with laughter. :)
I've got to say, though, I'm sort of with TAC on this one. I follow sports, and I don't know who those people are. I don't know if it's old, or proud, or stubborn, but I'm not just listening to any Yahoo with a camera and a microphone posting videos to YouTube. Other than Peter King, I always get the sense these people are looking to say something outrageous, rather than something insightful. The real news is rarely "outrageous", and besides, I can come here for that! :)
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I can't help it if you two are sport plebeians fans. :lol
I rib Tim but I get when life gets so busy that you don't have time for all the media. Though he was on the Teams chat not even paying attention to us and watching a game on the TV. We saw it. LOL
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Mickey's is still my go to beer. It's not high in alcohol percentage (unless you get Mickey's ice) and tastes good. I usually get the green 24oz cans. I tend drink more of those when the Seahawks lose. Come to think of it, I drink more of those when they win too.. 😄
I was like, who the hell still drinks Mickeys? Then I saw Seahawks... :P
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Philip Rivers announces his retirement after 17 seasons. Talk about a quarterback who tried to do so much with so little. I stand by my opinion that had he stayed with the Giants or been taken by the Steelers he would have absolutely won a Lombardi. The Chargers always left at least one glaring weakness on the team, be it the running game, defense, special teams, or most notably, coaching, that made it so hard for Rivers to consistently win, yet through all of this, he often pushed the team further than they had any right going. This year he had a great Colts team around him, but it wasn’t meant to be as they ran into the brick wall that is the 2020 Buffalo Bills in the wildcard round. To me, Philip Rivers is just behind Dan Marino and Jim Kelly as the greatest modern QB to never win a Super Bowl, and all three are perfect examples of why it’s not fair to judge individual players for not winning a championship in the ultimate team sport. Even without the championship accolades, his legacy should still be intact as a great quarterback and a Chargers legend.
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Philip Rivers announces his retirement after 17 seasons. Talk about a quarterback who tried to do so much with so little. I stand by my opinion that had he stayed with the Giants or been taken by the Steelers he would have absolutely won a Lombardi. The Chargers always left at least one glaring weakness on the team, be it the running game, defense, special teams, or most notably, coaching, that made it so hard for Rivers to consistently win, yet through all of this, he often pushed the team further than they had any right going. This year he had a great Colts team around him, but it wasn’t meant to be as they ran into the brick wall that is the 2020 Buffalo Bills in the wildcard round. To me, Philip Rivers is just behind Dan Marino and Jim Kelly as the greatest modern QB to never win a Super Bowl, and all three are perfect examples of why it’s not fair to judge individual players for not winning a championship in the ultimate team sport. Even without the championship accolades, his legacy should still be intact as a great quarterback and a Chargers legend.
I agree. Big fan here. Watching him play on one leg against the Pats in (whatever year that was) the playoffs was amazing.
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Philip Rivers announces his retirement after 17 seasons. Talk about a quarterback who tried to do so much with so little. I stand by my opinion that had he stayed with the Giants or been taken by the Steelers he would have absolutely won a Lombardi. The Chargers always left at least one glaring weakness on the team, be it the running game, defense, special teams, or most notably, coaching, that made it so hard for Rivers to consistently win, yet through all of this, he often pushed the team further than they had any right going. This year he had a great Colts team around him, but it wasn’t meant to be as they ran into the brick wall that is the 2020 Buffalo Bills in the wildcard round. To me, Philip Rivers is just behind Dan Marino and Jim Kelly as the greatest modern QB to never win a Super Bowl, and all three are perfect examples of why it’s not fair to judge individual players for not winning a championship in the ultimate team sport. Even without the championship accolades, his legacy should still be intact as a great quarterback and a Chargers legend.
I agree. Big fan here. Watching him play on one leg against the Pats in (whatever year that was) the playoffs was amazing.
I was there. 2007 AFC Championship game. Was such a tough, gritty QB. my attitude towards him changed after that game.
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To me, Rivers was good, not great. Putting him in the same sentence with Marino and Kelly is questionable. I feel he was as much to blame for the Chargers failing every year as anyone else.
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To me, Rivers was good, not great. Putting him in the same sentence with Marino and Kelly is questionable. I feel he was as much to blame for the Chargers failing every year as anyone else.
Yeah - I fall into this camp as well.
I will say though, he had the strangest throwing motion. Almost like he was throwing with baby arm.
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To me, Rivers was good, not great. Putting him in the same sentence with Marino and Kelly is questionable. I feel he was as much to blame for the Chargers failing every year as anyone else.
Yeah - I fall into this camp as well.
I will say though, he had the strangest throwing motion. Almost like he was throwing with baby arm.
Like a shot put without the spinning.
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I know some will disagree, but I would lean towards putting Rivers in the Hall of Fame. No rings or All-Pro finishes hurt his case, but he was a top 6-7 QB for the majority of his career and is finishing top 5 in both passing touchdowns and passing yards. I know, to some, rings the most when it comes to QB's, but they shouldn't count for everything. Of the last 15+ years, the best QB's have obviously been Brady, P Manning, Rodgers and Brees, and you could easily argue that Rivers is the 5th best of that era.
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He's on the cusp for me and I lean with those on the cusp to not get in. Still a damn fine career.
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I don't put Kelly in the same group as Marino and Rivers. Four years of sustained excellence in Buffalo. I have too many memories of Marino and Rivers barking and screaming at his teammates in the huddle as they fell apart yet again; 34 combined years of great personal stats but not a lot to show for it. I don't think that it's 100% true that they lost consistently DESPITE Marino and Rivers. That's my opinion, though, and I wasn't in any of those locker rooms through the years.
I'm not at all saying they are bad, or they sucked; they put up some great numbers. But when you're comparing two people with similar numbers you have to find differentiators, and at some point the "did he win?" is that differentiator.
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Rivers won 56% of his game as an NFL starter; Marino won 61%.
So yeah, those guys won. No, they didn't win the big game, but this isn't golf or tennis where one guy can do it all by himself. It's a team sport, teams that are made of 53 guys. Every generation, there is a great QB or two that just doesn't win the big one for whatever reason. Marino and Kelly were those guys in the 80's and 90's. Rivers was that guy in the 21st century. It happens.
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Hey want some more deep NFL analysis? Marcellius Wiley said Brady is more valuable to his team than Rodgers because he “activates the will of those around him”. He gets PAID to say Brady basically has Jedi mind powers (but for some reason those powers don’t always work). LOL at this hack job.
Despite the wealth of data available, sports fans today are dumber than they were 70 years ago. I can’t imagine some kids on the playground in the 50s arguing Mantle vs Mays and one saying “count the ringzzz” even though Mantle was in the World Series every year and Mays wasn’t.
That's a horrible analogy. "How many rings?" is a question that generally only gets asked about NBA players and NFL quarterbacks.
That doesn't mean that what Wiley said wasn't stupid, but if you want truly stupid analysis from a retired NFL player, check out Rodney Peete's radio show.
I also do not listen or watch any national sports shows. I used to listen to Rome but he is no longer on here, and his show is a shadow of his glory days. I do listen to local sports talk radio though, but that is as much for the personalities, and the local flavor/insight.
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On the topic of football, I just read The Weeknd is doing the SB halftime show. Apparently he does music, or something?
The Weekend? Is that a band?
I can't remember the last time I intentionally turned on ESPN when I wasn't in a hotel traveling. SportsCenter used to be appointment viewing, but it now seems like an endless parade of pretty people on unnecessarily flashy sets, most of whom are poorly trained as journalists. I've heard of Marcellus Wiley because he used to have a talk radio show with Max Kellerman that I would occasionally catch while in my car, but the Achoo guy I thought was an NHL player. No idea who he is. I used to listen to Jim Rome pretty religiously, but he hasn't been on the radio in SoCal for at least a decade. I caught his TV show one day that I was off from work and it was awful. He seems to have become a caricature of himself. I occasionally listen to Dan Patrick on my morning commute, but that's only about 15 minutes these days, so I don't hear much.
I don't put Kelly in the same group as Marino and Rivers. Four years of sustained excellence in Buffalo. I have too many memories of Marino and Rivers barking and screaming at his teammates in the huddle as they fell apart yet again; 34 combined years of great personal stats but not a lot to show for it. I don't think that it's 100% true that they lost consistently DESPITE Marino and Rivers.
Took me a second to understand what you were saying here. I think I agree, although I think Marino was significantly better than Rivers. Kelly was easily the best of the three. Marino led his team to the playoffs in 10 of 17 seasons, winning at least one game in 7 of those 10 seasons, and that's all despite never having had receivers or running backs worth a damn. Rivers was a good QB on a team that was relatively poorly managed and coached for most of his career, and he couldn't overcome that despite having had one of the greatest tight ends in NFL history and a HOF running back. I wouldn't put Rivers in the HOF because he was never exceptional. The Chargers never won because of him. Someone's going to make the argument that he's top-X in passing yards, TDs, completions, etc., and how can you leave someone like that out of the HOF? But he's the poster child of the 2000s QB who's protected as if they're playing touch football and throwing to receivers who cry for a pass interference call on nearly every play.
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I sort of am having trouble with the "guys around him" idea. Kelly was blessed with Thurman
Munson Thomas, and Andre Reed his entire career. Rivers had LaDainian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates. Marino had Marks Clayton and Duper (I can't remember who his back was).
Brady? He had Curtis Martin for two years. He had Randy Moss for three. I think that's the thing that separates Brady from the pack; with the exception of Gronk, he has no Jerry Rice. He has no Thurman Munson. He has no Marvin Harrison. He's cycled, arguably, through at least four cycles of players, and STILL achieved excellence. STILL won.
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Brady never played with Curtis Martin.
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Brady never played with Curtis Martin.
You're right; I had it backwards: he started with the Pats and went to the Jets (before Brady). I thought it was the other way around.
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I was heartbroken when he left for the Jets.
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Back in '93 through '95, I had the good fortune to visit Denny LaFleur's home because of a friendship my then wife had with Denny's wife. He was a LB on Central Michigan's 1974 Div. II championship team. For 10+ years, he was the Chippewas LB coach. I could visit with all sorts of 'hangers on' (like me) before or after the games. Me and the ex could visit the LaFleur home and have a beer or three, and then either go to our hotel room, or make the three hour drive back to Kalamazoo. I gained so much insight on what took place behind the scenes, was welcomed by friends and family, as well as go outside and toss the ball around and play some very physical touch football with anyone who was around.
(males and females included)
Well, one of those youngsters was Matt LaFleur, who has been the head coach of the Packers for two years. Matt was a CMU assistant in '04, as was Robert Saleh, the new head coach of the Jets.
Still remember when Eric Fischer was drafted #1 out of CMU, I wore my jacket the following week in NYC, and all the comments that followed.
So.... if you want success in the NFL.... Fire Up, Chips! ;)
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Thurman freakin Thomas. He once lost his helmet during a Super Bowl game, missed a few plays and was never the same. I looked at my friends and said 'bitches, we are winning this one'!
I feel like Thurman never had his head right with ball when it came to the "big dance". (Same with Barry Sanders).
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As a Raven fan, and who has not read the last two pages.... let me wish all the survivors 'good luck' and I'll comment later on the prior games.
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I sort of am having trouble with the "guys around him" idea. Kelly was blessed with Thurman Munson Thomas, and Andre Reed his entire career. Rivers had LaDainian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates. Marino had Marks Clayton and Duper (I can't remember who his back was).
Among the luminaries who lined up in the backfield with Marino were Tony Nathan, Audra Franklin, Ron Davenport, Woody Bennett, Kenny Rogers, Garrett Limbrick, Sammie Smith, Bernie "Nobody Doesn't Like" Parmalee, Irving Spikes, James "Denim and Leather" Saxon, Keith Byars, Karim Abdul-Jabbar and Cecil Collins. Seriously, I couldn't find anyone more notable. And, while the Marks were good, the wide receiver list is only slightly more notable (an aging Nat Moore for a few years and O.J. McDuffie in the later years).
Brady? He had Curtis Martin for two years. He had Randy Moss for three. I think that's the thing that separates Brady from the pack; with the exception of Gronk, he has no Jerry Rice. He has no Thurman Munson. He has no Marvin Harrison. He's cycled, arguably, through at least four cycles of players, and STILL achieved excellence. STILL won.
I'd put guys like Deion Branch, Troy Brown, et al. on the same level as Duper and Clayton, and at least Brady had guys like Martin and Corey Dillon and Kevin Faulk. Brady also had guys like Wes Welker, Julian Edelman and Danny Amendola. At least there's an argument that Edelman is an HOF'er.
But I'm not sure why Brady's name got brought up. No one's comparing Marino to Brady. I thought the discussion was whether Philip Rivers was in the same class as Jim Kelly and Dan Marino.
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At least there's an argument that Edelman is an HOF'er.
There is and I'd support it.
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I love Teoy Brown but he's not at the level as Duper.
Duper had 2200 more yards, 25 more TD's and played 40 less games.
I agree about Edelman. He's damn close but how many slot receivers get into the Hall?
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Edelman has no realistic shot at the Hall of Fame, nor should he. He should be thanking Tom Brady for tricking some people into thinking otherwise. Sure, some thought it after the last SB, but as time passes, his weak resume will become more and more of a hindrance. A lot of great postseason catches, yes, but you need more than that. If you had to name the best 20 WR's of the 21st century, he wouldn't be on the list.
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He should be. You seem smart enough to not fall for the guy that runs a million miles downfield and catch a deep pass. But you're falling for it.
Edelman made clutch catch after clutch catch his entire career with stones of steel. When you needed a catch, Edelman came through.
Stats are for geeks, man.
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Stats don't mean everything, but being just a postseason performer doesn't either. Put Edelman in the Patriots ring of honor for sure (assuming they have one, which I am sure they do), but not the pro football Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame should be reserved for the best of the best, and Julian Edelman doesn't pass the sniff test.
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You can't smell, then.
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I have had a stuffy nose off and on for over a week (not COVID!!), so you never know. :lol
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;D
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To circle back to Rivers for a minute, he strikes me as a guy who probably doesn't care if he makes the Hall of Fame or not. Sure, he'd love it if he made it, but if he doesn't, I don't think he'll throw an epic fit about it like some have (see: Terrell "D-Bag" Owens). I remember hating him when he was first in the league, because he and LT2 made the Broncos their personal bitch for years and his trash talk irked me at first, but over time I grew to really like him. His trash talk was always in good fun and he just seemed like a guy who loved playing the game and having fun with it. He will be missed.
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SportsCenter used to be appointment viewing, but it now seems like an endless parade of pretty people on unnecessarily flashy sets, most of whom are poorly trained as journalists.
I used to listen to Jim Rome pretty religiously, but he hasn't been on the radio in SoCal for at least a decade. I caught his TV show one day that I was off from work and it was awful. He seems to have become a caricature of himself.
No kidding about SC, though honestly I haven't watched it in years. But not long ago enough to not see the direction it was headed.
I watched a bit of Rome's simulcast when it started because at the time I was working from home. His show had long since changed when that premiered. Isn't he based in SoCal? Is he in NYC now? Still, he is a SoCal guy, that's where he got started and built his empire. How can he not be on the radio there? I imagine when he went to CBS Sports they informed him he could no longer discuss Bert and Ernie being gay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=53&v=ATfqe-51KTA&feature=youtu.be), or Larry Brown's crank (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=48&v=F9PbfdCIl-s&feature=youtu.be).
Re: Rivers and the HoF, I tend to be a less is more guy when it comes to Halls of Fame. If you have a make a convincing case for someone to get in, they do not belong in. It's not the "Hall of Very Good for an Extended Period" or "Hall of Amassed a Crazy Number of Stats Due to Longevity." The person who is going to F up this conversation for QBs for the next 20 years is Eli.
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I've been a big Edelman fan since I watched him play on O, D, and ST, and make a key stop on Anquon Bolden late in the AFC championship game. I think he was cut each of the next two years and resigned, before eventually becoming invaluable. Dude's the textbook Patriots player. He can do everything, and he's always clutch. He's not a Hall of Famer, though.
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I sort of am having trouble with the "guys around him" idea. Kelly was blessed with Thurman Munson Thomas, and Andre Reed his entire career. Rivers had LaDainian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates. Marino had Marks Clayton and Duper (I can't remember who his back was).
Among the luminaries who lined up in the backfield with Marino were Tony Nathan, Audra Franklin, Ron Davenport, Woody Bennett, Kenny Rogers, Garrett Limbrick, Sammie Smith, Bernie "Nobody Doesn't Like" Parmalee, Irving Spikes, James "Denim and Leather" Saxon, Keith Byars, Karim Abdul-Jabbar and Cecil Collins. Seriously, I couldn't find anyone more notable. And, while the Marks were good, the wide receiver list is only slightly more notable (an aging Nat Moore for a few years and O.J. McDuffie in the later years).
Brady? He had Curtis Martin for two years. He had Randy Moss for three. I think that's the thing that separates Brady from the pack; with the exception of Gronk, he has no Jerry Rice. He has no Thurman Munson. He has no Marvin Harrison. He's cycled, arguably, through at least four cycles of players, and STILL achieved excellence. STILL won.
I'd put guys like Deion Branch, Troy Brown, et al. on the same level as Duper and Clayton, and at least Brady had guys like Martin and Corey Dillon and Kevin Faulk. Brady also had guys like Wes Welker, Julian Edelman and Danny Amendola. At least there's an argument that Edelman is an HOF'er.
But I'm not sure why Brady's name got brought up. No one's comparing Marino to Brady. I thought the discussion was whether Philip Rivers was in the same class as Jim Kelly and Dan Marino.
He was brought up because the elephant in the room with all three - Marino, Kelly, and Rivers - is that they have five Super Bowl appearances between them, and not one ring. The argument at some point goes to "look at all the weapons [insert Super Bowl winner] had, and I was simply trying to make the point that weapons aren't the be all and end all. There IS a component that some big time athletes have that they have a knack for winning, regardless of what the circumstances are around them.
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I've been a big Edelman fan since I watched him play on O, D, and ST, and make a key stop on Anquon Bolden late in the AFC championship game. I think he was cut each of the next two years and resigned, before eventually becoming invaluable. Dude's the textbook Patriots player. He can do everything, and he's always clutch. He's not a Hall of Famer, though.
And the question then becomes, how much did TOM BRADY have to do with that blossoming into a text book player? I've played enough sports (hockey up into college, baseball/softball up through returning to CT about six years ago) to know that you take one person out of a mix - even if it is a team sport - and drop someone else in with equivalent stats and you do NOT have an equivalent team. Read any biography of Joe DiMaggio, and his teammates will tell you that he was a dick, he was not a friend, and he was as odd as the number 13, but we wouldn't have won nearly as many games if it wasn't for him, even when he was hurt and HIS numbers weren't great. He had a way of making the people around him play out of their skin. The 40's, 50's and even the early 60's Yankees were CHOCK FULL of guys like Edelman; prolly don't deserve the HoF but they did what they had to do when they had to do it.
I've said this about bands, too. This is why Mick Jagger's solo records blow chunks, and yet, in the Stones, he's written some of the most iconic songs in the history of modern rock.
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IMO, being just a key player on a dynasty isn't enough to get in the Hall, otherwise Jay Novacek would be in the Hall, and he actually made pro bowls (5) and was All-Pro twice (1st team once, 2nd team once). The next pro bowl Julian Edelman makes will be his first. And it's not making the pro bowl is some great achievement now, as everybody makes it now since tons of guys drop out every year and 5th and 6th alternates end up making it, and yet Edelman has still never made it once. I know, I know, stats are trash and who cares about the regular season, right? Let's put David Tyree in while we're at it.
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Maybe it's his position that those who vote shuns apon. Is there a slot receiver in the HOF?
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Speaking on the updated thread title, much respect to Philly Riv. He's one of those players that I just loved watching. I would go out of my way to catch the Chargers/Broncos games when it was Rivers vs. Cutler. Rivers just loved going at him with everything he had. Not to mention he was the king of clean trash talking. Much respect to him. Sad to see a guy I regularly leaned on in my fantasy days leave.
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IMO, being just a key player on a dynasty isn't enough to get in the Hall, otherwise Jay Novacek would be in the Hall, and he actually made pro bowls (5) and was All-Pro twice (1st team once, 2nd team once). The next pro bowl Julian Edelman makes will be his first. And it's not making the pro bowl is some great achievement now, as everybody makes it now since tons of guys drop out every year and 5th and 6th alternates end up making it, and yet Edelman has still never made it once. I know, I know, stats are trash and who cares about the regular season, right? Let's put David Tyree in while we're at it.
Two things: one, the Pro Bowl is to recognize those players that aren't going deep into February with meaningful games. I'm sure the vast majority of players, if given the choice to play in their Pro Bowls, or Edelman's Super Bowls, they're taking the latter. Two, Tyree did it one play in one game. Edelman has one or two a game, for several games a year for multiple years. I STILL don't think he's in the Hall, but let's not underplay his accomplishments.
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Two things: one, the Pro Bowl is to recognize those players that aren't going deep into February with meaningful games. I'm sure the vast majority of players, if given the choice to play in their Pro Bowls, or Edelman's Super Bowls, they're taking the latter. Two, Tyree did it one play in one game. Edelman has one or two a game, for several games a year for multiple years. I STILL don't think he's in the Hall, but let's not underplay his accomplishments.
I'm not so sure about that. Pro Bowls can mean more recognition and a bigger contract, rather than being a good role player on a Super Bowl-winning team might, and I would submit that, over the long haul, the vast majority of players will always take a lot more money over rings.
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Calling Edelman a "role player" is disingenuous.
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How so? If you are not a star, you are essentially a role player, and that is what Edelman was. And he played the role very well, especially in the playoffs. And I mean that as a compliment. Heck, the Patriots were known for most of that dynasty for being a team absent of stars on offense except for Brady and Gronk, and of course Moss for a spell. Wes Welker was for a while there as well.
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Calling Edelman a "role player" is disingenuous.
No, it's accurate.
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He was the #1 reciever on the team for 6 years so for us Pats fans, we don't look at him as a role player. That is for the most part, catches, yards.
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Gronkowski helped with that no doubt.
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So I guess Mahomes is a go for this weekend.
Was there any doubt? :o
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He was the #1 reciever on the team for 6 years so for us Pats fans, we don't look at him as a role player. That is for the most part, catches, yards.
Okay, but you can be a "team-name star,' while not being a star of the league at the same time. I will go back to the Jay Novacek example. As much as everyone remembers the triplets of that Cowboys dynasty, Novacek was a star in that offense at the time as well, but that didn't make him an NFL star or a Hall of Famer. Therein lies the distinction. Sorry, but if you are the number 1 receiver in an offense for six years and averaged less than 1,000 yards a season and not even 6 touchdown catches a season, you are not a star. Stats do matter sometimes.
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So I guess Mahomes is a go for this weekend.
Was there any doubt? :o
Well for one thing for those that somehow missed this, he didn’t actually HAVE a concussion. But once you get put in the protocol you still have to go through the steps.
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He was the #1 reciever on the team for 6 years so for us Pats fans, we don't look at him as a role player. That is for the most part, catches, yards.
Okay, but you can be a "team-name star,' while not being a star of the league at the same time. I will go back to the Jay Novacek example. As much as everyone remembers the triplets of that Cowboys dynasty, Novacek was a star in that offense at the time as well, but that didn't make him an NFL star or a Hall of Famer. Therein lies the distinction. Sorry, but if you are the number 1 receiver in an offense for six years and averaged less than 1,000 yards a season and not even 6 touchdown catches a season, you are not a star. Stats do matter sometimes.
Right so the use of the word "role player" seems to lesson what he accomplished. Roll player to most is a "bit player" he was more than that to the Pats.
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Right so the use of the word "role player" seems to lesson what he accomplished. Roll player to most is a "bit player" he was more than that to the Pats.
I get it, but that still doesn't make him a star. Plenty of players are more to their team than meets the eye. And hey, I get defending the guys on your team that helped you win. 23 years ago, I would have been beating that drum for Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey, both of whom were integral to the Broncos winning back to back championships, but they weren't Hall of Famers.
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Totally understand. I still look at Edelman as better than McCaffrey. Ed had 1 season over 100 receptions and second highest is 71. His arch is smaller than the 6 year arch of Julian. Julian has 4 years of 6 over 92 receptions and his playoff stats put him higher than a bit player.
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Trollshmoll
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Totally understand. I still look at Edelman as better than McCaffrey. Ed had 1 season over 100 receptions and second highest is 71. His arch is smaller than the 6 year arch of Julian. Julian has 4 years of 6 over 92 receptions and his playoff stats put him higher than a bit player.
I can't say one was better than the other, because for one, they played totally different styles and were very different players. Edelman plays in an era where you can't touch a WR and plays out of the slot and catches tons of balls close to the line of scrimmage, while McCaffrey played in the Shanahan style of the West Coast offense which emphasized running the ball and taking deep shots when they did throw. The Broncos from 1995-1998 were not a team throwing short passes to the WR's or Shannon Sharpe. When they threw it to those guys, they were looking for chunk plays. And while McCaffrey wasn't the beast that Rod Smith was in the running game when it came to blocking (Rod Smith is the best blocking WR I have ever seen), he was still pretty darn good. That Broncos offense was a well oiled machine.
Also, it is worth noting that McCaffrey did make a pro bowl and was All-Pro 2nd team once (two things Edelman has never achieved). Just saying...;)
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Also, and I have been beating this drum for a long time, so it has nada to do with Edelman, catches is the most overrated stat in football. Nowadays, everybody catches a ton of balls. Case in point: Jason Witten, probably the most overrated skill position player of my NFL watching lifetime, is 4th all time in catches. BFD.
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Edelman never took a hit? Dude. Come on.
You want to blame receivers not being touched blame Polian after we ruffed up his dainty receivers in 2004. Lol
Also, and I have been beating this drum for a long time, so it has nada to do with Edelman, catches is the most overrated stat in football. Nowadays, everybody catches a ton of balls. Case in point: Jason Witten, probably the most overrated skill position player of my NFL watching lifetime, is 4th all time in catches. BFD.
If you can't see the huge catches in the biggest of games for Edelman over Witten's regular season games then I can't help you. The man is beyond clutch in multiple Superbowls.
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He's beyond clutch, period.
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Edelman never took a hit? Dude. Come on.
I never said that.
You want to blame receivers not being touched blame Polian after we ruffed up his dainty receivers in 2004. Lol
Agreed.
If you can't see the huge catches in the biggest of games for Edelman over Witten's regular season games then I can't help you. The man is beyond clutch in multiple Superbowls.
That's not what I was saying or even suggesting. I think your fandom is causing you to think I am making arguments that I am not, sir. ;)
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I agree he is probably not HOF material.
I'm banging the gong on the "Role" title. Players can be more but just shy of HOF material.
His playoff play absolutely hells but still.....
Besides, Mccaffery? How dare you. :lol
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Getting back to Rivers and the HoF, I have seen/read some good arguments for and against him this week in regards to the Hall, and I came away thinking I could see totally see both points of view. If he gets in, I am good with it. If he doesn't, I will understand why. It's a tough call.
I will add this, though: many seem to think Frank Gore is now a HoF lock because of his overall rushing yardage total (biggest compiler ever, due to being so durable), and if Gore gets in, then Rivers has to get in as well, because IMO, Rivers was a better QB than Gore was a RB.
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Rivers is a weird one. He's borderline for me and leaning towards the not getting in side. Though tough as nails, gritty. Things I love in players.
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The great Peter King thinks Rivers is HOF worthy but the problem he'll run into is the 5 years from now is he'll be eligible at the same time Drew Brees is eligible and then after that he'll have to deal with Tom Brady so he may have to wait awhile.
I just seem to remember Rivers as a guy that did well during the regular season but fell far short during post-season, kind of like this past season for the Colts.
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Nah, Brady is a cyborg and won't retire till probably 2035, so Rivers shouldn't have to worry about him in that regard.
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If Eli gets in then I think Rivers needs to. I don't think Eli deserves to get in, but Rivers has a better case.
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Gore vs. Rivers: I disagree with the comparison. And, yes, that is a bit of my fandom speaking. But that aside, I think if you make top 3 all time in the primary thing your position is designed to accomplish (in Gore's case, pick up yards on the ground), I think that puts you in, pretty much regardless of anything else.
Eli vs. Rivers: I don't think either should get in. But Eli getting in shouldn't really impact whether Rivers gets in either. I'm going to speak out of both sides of my mouth for a minute here, but...while I don't think "winning the big one" should be the be-all stat, it does count for something. And while I don't think Eli is HOF material, if others feel he is close, and that the wins push him over the top, I cannot overly disagree. They do count for something, especially for a guy who, despite his shortcomings, was the leader of his team for those two wins, and who had to battle for those wins (it wasn't a case where the talent in their conference was severely lacking and they had a cakewalk through the playoffs the years they won it).
In any case, while I don't have strong feelings one way or the other (I don't have strong feelings about the HOF in general), my opinion is that Rivers doesn't quite make the cut, despite having a great career and being a great leader on his teams.
*Edit: I'll also chime in to back TAC and King on Edelman being more than what we typically refer to as a "role player." I agree with the general sentiment that he is not HOF material, but his contribution being sold short by relegating him to "role player" status. I mean, I get that maybe he "technically" fits that description. But when I think of that description, it generally isn't used to describe someone who has a sustained role as one of a team's key players.
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A comment about the HOF - I really think it's overkill to hold a yearly vote and that they should consider maybe installing players every other year. That way, it would make the HOF that much more special.
The fact the Drew Pearson is still not in and that Lynn Swann was inducted is a travesty that hopefully will be fixed this year. :yeahright
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Honestly I think if a player is not a consensus first ballot inductee, they're probably not good enough to get in. I think it should be reserved for that caliber of player.
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Honestly I think if a player is not a consensus first ballot inductee, they're probably not good enough to get in. I think it should be reserved for that caliber of player.
I think there’s a flaw in this thinking. The way the Hall of Fame induction process works is that no less than four or no more than eight players can get in every year. This could lead to situations where a deserving player has to wait (say what you want about his attitude, but based off of his actual playing career Terrell Owens deserved to go in his first year of eligibility) or a scenario where a less deserving player gets in due to being from an era with less great players who retired around the same time as him (Lynn Swann comes to mind). The NFL should take a cue from the MLB, where as many or few players can get in as the voting committee pleases (in 2016 only two players made it in: Ken Griffey Jr. and Mike Piazza). This would lead to less players getting snubbed for being part of a strong retirement class and less examples of non-deserving players getting in.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pro_Football_Hall_of_Fame_inductees
Add six years from their last season to induction for those who made it on their first ballot.
Otto Graham, Kellen Winslow, Doak Walker, Bob Griese, Ted Hendricks, Paul Hornung, Crazy Legs Hirsch, Doug Atkins, Lem Barney, Buck Buchanon, Curley Culp (I'm just cherry picking here).....and dozens more, not in on the first ballot. I cannot think of one from watching or reading about that is undeserving.
And, how are Jerry Jones and Al Davis in, but not Art Modell? Oh, that's right......'politics' and power of those who get to pick.
The yearly limitations don't make sense to me. Also, do remember that when a Canton newspaper came up with the idea of hosting the site, there were only twelve NFL teams. By the time their proposal was accepted and then the building opened in '63, there were fourteen. And most did not consider the AFL as a professional league.
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The only reason Edelman will get votes for the HOF was he made the biggest of plays durring the biggest of games. Will that be enough to get nominated?
I'm not sure.
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The NFL should take a cue from the MLB, where as many or few players can get in as the voting committee pleases
MLB HoF is capped at 10 I believe.
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Stafford and Lions agree to part ways.
https://www.nfl.com/news/matthew-stafford-era-in-detroit-likely-over-as-star-qb-requests-trade
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Speaking of... New Lions coach dropped an epic presser, surprised it hasn't been mentioned here (unless I missed it).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng8TV6buqqM
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Stafford and Lions agree to part ways.
https://www.nfl.com/news/matthew-stafford-era-in-detroit-likely-over-as-star-qb-requests-trade
I would love to see him in N.E.
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Stafford and Lions agree to part ways.
https://www.nfl.com/news/matthew-stafford-era-in-detroit-likely-over-as-star-qb-requests-trade
I would love to see him in N.E.
How was his relationship with Patricia?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pro_Football_Hall_of_Fame_inductees
And, how are Jerry Jones and Al Davis in, but not Art Modell? Oh, that's right......'politics' and power of those who get to pick.
I can make a strong argument for Jerry Jones contribution but Art Modell? What were his contributions?
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Stafford and Lions agree to part ways.
https://www.nfl.com/news/matthew-stafford-era-in-detroit-likely-over-as-star-qb-requests-trade
I would love to see him in N.E.
How was his relationship with Patricia?
I honestly don't know.
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Speaking of... New Lions coach dropped an epic presser, surprised it hasn't been mentioned here (unless I missed it).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng8TV6buqqM
I saw the high(low?)lights a couple of days ago, thought of mentioning it, but was afraid he'd bite my knee caps off! :lol Supposedly, the players liked him in Atlanta. But......that wasn't as a HC. The dude is not the classiest. And, yes, he has 'Dude' written after his name on his office door.....
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Anything better than a minority, eh Detroit?
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I hope Stafford ends up on a winning franchise where he has a chance to win while he is still close to his prime. He has been a good QB saddled on a joke franchise.
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I hope Stafford ends up on a winning franchise where he has a chance to win while he is still close to his prime. He has been a good QB saddled on a joke franchise.
Agreed. I think New England would be a good landing spot for him.
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I hope Stafford ends up on a winning franchise where he has a chance to win while he is still close to his prime. He has been a good QB saddled on a joke franchise.
Agreed. I think New England would be a good landing spot for him.
I don't. They have almost no weapons on offense, and who knows if Belichick will give a crap about getting better ones. We know he can't draft WR's, so they'd have to make a splash in free agency, and he is more about getting good role players for cheap rather than paying for stars, and that worked well because of how good Brady was with getting the best out of those players on offense. Stafford would be great in Indy.
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Stafford would be great in Indy.
I would like to see that. That could be a really good situation for him.
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I hope Stafford ends up on a winning franchise where he has a chance to win while he is still close to his prime. He has been a good QB saddled on a joke franchise.
Agreed. I think New England would be a good landing spot for him.
I don't. They have almost no weapons on offense, and who knows if Belichick will give a crap about getting better ones. We know he can't draft WR's, so they'd have to make a splash in free agency, and he is more about getting good role players for cheap rather than paying for stars, and that worked well because of how good Brady was with getting the best out of those players on offense. Stafford would be great in Indy.
They have a ton of money to play with you just can't figure out with BB where he is going with it.
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I hope Stafford ends up on a winning franchise where he has a chance to win while he is still close to his prime. He has been a good QB saddled on a joke franchise.
Agreed. I think New England would be a good landing spot for him.
I don't. They have almost no weapons on offense, and who knows if Belichick will give a crap about getting better ones. We know he can't draft WR's, so they'd have to make a splash in free agency, and he is more about getting good role players for cheap rather than paying for stars, and that worked well because of how good Brady was with getting the best out of those players on offense. Stafford would be great in Indy.
They have a ton of money to play with you just can't figure out with BB where he is going with it.
Cam was a sham in NE. I think with a competent QB NE sniffs the playoffs. Take the draft picks coupled with their cap figure and draft a future QB and I think they're back quicker than people think.
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I don’t get this last challenge. Even if the ball did hit the goal line, even if the ball was in the Endzone, the runner has the option of returning the kick. He did return the kick. So it doesn’t matter if it hit the goal line or not, right?
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I’m sorry but that was a horrible cold by the officials. I’d be screaming bloody murder if I was Tampa Bay right now.
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The returner waived off the kick so when it hit the chalk, it was technically down by rule.
It was a good call.
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The returner waived off the kick so when it hit the chalk, it was technically down by rule.
It was a good call.
OK. I did not see the returner wave off the kick nor did I hear the commentators mention it. If that’s the case, then I retract my previous criticism
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So, the refs miss a blatant hold on a Rodgers INT and then the Bucs score a TD as a result. A 10-14 point swing.
No one is arguing Brady's greatness, but this is why he is also the luckiest ever as well (you can be both). It's uncanny how his teams almost always get calls (or non-calls) in their favor in these games.
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All I gots to say is DAY-UM!
To the last touchdown.
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I was thinking the same thing. That hold was so blatant I can’t believe that’s not a challengeable call.
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So, the refs miss a blatant hold on a Rodgers INT and then the Bucs score a TD as a result. A 10-14 point swing.
That was a huge non call.
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That said, this is not surprising me. I didn't think much of the GB pass rush before today, and you can't let Brady stand back all day. Meanwhile, the Bucs pass rush is getting to Rodgers. That is the difference so far, aside from that missed call that may have swung the game.
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They should have a referee in the skybox and all they would have to do is call down and say 'I see a penalty'.
That said, they could do this on almost every play.
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They should have a referee in the skybox and all they would have to do is call down and say 'I see a penalty'.
That said, they could do this on almost every play.
Oh, for sure. Bad calls or non-calls are gonna happen; I just hate seeing them on scoring plays or turnovers.
Meanwhile, the Packers are back to being their gutless selves. :lol :lol
Remember that narrative a while back about how Rodgers doesn't play well when trailing? Okay, Aaron, let's see what you can do.
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The Packers offense is having its way with this number one ranked Rams defense. They look like the best team in the league right now.
I will never trust a Packers defense, never.
Never
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Packers getting it going on offense a little now, and just forced a Brady pick on D. I am sure they will pile up some yards en route to a 45-38 loss. :lol
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4th quarter going to be riveting!
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So... quick quiz: what's more annoying: the Bernie meme, or the "Belichick can't draft wide receivers" trope? (By the way, Kev, NOT saying this in response to you; it was on my mind before I read what you wrote; that's why I'm not quoting you).
No, he hasn't established a "GOAT" at WR in his last couple drafts, or maybe ever. But so what? I'm not trading "drafting ODB, Jr." for all those rings he still found a way to win despite. "Not drafting great WR's" is NOT why they didn't make the playoffs (and no, I don't think that's why Brady left, either).
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Great game so far!
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Got to take advantage of one of these picks....
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To say the Packers are missing their all-pro LT would be an understatement.
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Watch Brady throw a pick six here.
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Holy shit that was an NBA style flop by number 18.
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I fucking hate Tom Brady so fucking much I can’t fucking take this bullshit anymore please for the love of fucking god put me out of my goddamn motherfucking misery.
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Packers gifted 14 points to end the first/start the second. Couldn’t capitalize off three INTs. Should’ve gone for the TD at the end and then the b.s. pass interference call to end it.
Whatever.
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Looking forward to another year of the media deepthroating Rodgers while not even 5% of them use the "BuT OnLY oNE tITlE!1!" criticism against him that they use against so many other QBs.
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20 years 10 times in the Superbowl. That's just nuts
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Fuck the refs and fuck Tom Brady. They wanted him to have another Super Bowl with all those no calls.
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The Packers got more bogus calls in their favor than any other team in the NFL in recent years. They're not even playing in this game or getting the 1 seed without ref tampering.
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The game basically ending on a BS call was awful, but the Packers went 3 and out after 2 Brady picks in the second half. Hard to feel too sorry for them. Rodgers can go home and look miserable some more.
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I had no horse in the race. As a football fan, that game was all I could ask for. Entertaining and suspenseful, right down to the last tick of the clock.
I saw 2 plays where GB got away with a play after the clock expired. Both were missed.
Congrats to Tampa. And...Brady gets to play in his home field. What a lucky fluke.
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The game basically ending on a BS call was awful, but the Packers went 3 and out after 2 Brady picks in the second half. Hard to feel too sorry for them. Rodgers can go home and look miserable some more.
Yeah, but at least he gets the Rogers Rate from Statefarm.
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The game basically ending on a BS call was awful, but the Packers went 3 and out after 2 Brady picks in the second half. Hard to feel too sorry for them. Rodgers can go home and look miserable some more.
Who wants to see Brady on his 9/4783835782837483929384th Super Bowl? Not this guy.
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Can he just retire?
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Can he just retire?
He will... in 2042.
The game basically ending on a BS call was awful, but the Packers went 3 and out after 2 Brady picks in the second half. Hard to feel too sorry for them. Rodgers can go home and look miserable some more.
Yeah, but at least he gets the Rogers Rate from Statefarm.
LOL, that should make him slightly less miserable looking.
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So, after a page of Brady whining, I'm not going to feel so bad about my weekly WTF. My early pick loses, and I have to tune in to the KC/Buffalo game and.... Jim. Fucking. Nantz. Splent, Count, if there's a hell, Tom Brady and Jim Fucking Nantz are sitting at the bar hoisting Scotches, welcoming the rest of us as we walk in.
And of course, vintage Nantz - who I hate because when Uconn won the National Championship for the first time, all Nantz could talk about was "Duke this, Duke that" even though Uconn played an almost perfect game and won it fair and square against a team that, like the announcers, clearly underestimated them - after the break, instead of complementing Buffalo on good play, a great start, or a solid outing, he has to remind us that Mahomes was behind in all three playoff games last year. Romo, who I like but who is also drunk on Mahomes wine, too, called it "normal territory" for him. A couple plays later... "look at Mahomes; looks left, looks right... PUMPS!" like he's the first quarterback to ever use the pump fake. Gobuffalo, gobuffalo, gobuffalo, gobuffalo...........Game's not over, but if KC does win, I'm probably going to have to root for a dead man - Brady - to hand it to them in the 'Bowl.
(I kid about Brady, though; I didn't root for him this year, but fair is fair: he made plays when he had to, and he's there AGAIN. One is lucky. Two might be lucky. Three, well, I don't know that "lucky" would be my first choice, but I'll work with you. We're at 10.)
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The game basically ending on a BS call was awful, but the Packers went 3 and out after 2 Brady picks in the second half. Hard to feel too sorry for them. Rodgers can go home and look miserable some more.
Yes, basically the last 2 weeks Brady did not play great but capitalized on opponents’ mistakes much better than Rodgers. And Matt LeFeur was atrocious.
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Chiefs are getting on a roll. Uh oh.
And as great as Josh Allen has been, he still has moments where I think he is about to implode and have a 4-INT game. This could be the day.
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It's worth pointing out that, not only do we get a home team in the Superb Owl for the first time, we also get a female official in the SB.
Also, go Bills!
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It's halftime and the score is..
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Man what a rush that TB GB game was. I get the calls were all over the place by the refs. But honestly that Packers team should've done more with those two turnovers. I think the PI call was right at the end, the last angle they showed he was literally holding his shirt for measurement. Rodgers probably should have run for that 3rd and goal. He would have been close or at least it would be easier for a 4th down conversion. I don't know if the FG was a good call, I get the idea behind it but I would have thought at that point you go for it. last play calling aside, GB should have put this game away much earlier. Credit to the TB defense, they made some good stops.
Even though I'm a Tampa homer, I'm going to put money on KC winning the whole thing.
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:rollin
So true!
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Blow me, Nantz!!!! :) :)
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Please tell me NBC has the SB. :lol
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If/when Buffalo loses this game, they need only look at the offensive line and the deplorable tackling by the linebackers and secondary.
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Please tell me NBC has the SB. :lol
I'm going to see if I can get one of those direct Russian feeds with no announcers. No commercials and no Weeknd, but that's a small price to pay...
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KC on a 31-6 roll. Haven’t punted entire playoffs.
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Um, they punted on their first possession in this game, right?
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Man, fuck this shit. This feels like watching that 52-17 SB all over again. I really need to throw the NFL in the garbage for good.
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been saying it for many years, how the idea of putting Aaron Rodgers among the greatest quarterbacks ever is utterly ridiculous.
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been saying it for many years, how the idea of putting Aaron Rodgers among the greatest quarterbacks ever is utterly ridiculous.
He didn't show it today, and he had the chance. His D wasn't horrid, the officials went both ways, but he didn't rise up. His job is to score points; everything else is sort of superfluous (not really, but relative to his performance).
I finally had to bail on football, and now I'm watching The Curse Of Oak Island. I'd rather watch those idiots clamoring through the mud searching for buried treasure that isn't there. I just listened to Rick Lagina say "this structure is certainly very unique. Eerily similar to the first paved area we found." How can it be unique AND similar to that which came before, Rick? And yet that's more interesting than Jim Nantz (though I'm sure, according to Jim Nantz, Patrick Mahomes already found the treasure!).
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been saying it for many years, how the idea of putting Aaron Rodgers among the greatest quarterbacks ever is utterly ridiculous.
Matt Ryan and Cam Newton have been to as many superbowls.
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Please tell me NBC has the SB. :lol
I'm going to see if I can get one of those direct Russian feeds with no announcers. No commercials and no Weeknd, but that's a small price to pay...
Looks like CBS does have the SB. I suspect you'll be listening to Kenosha again..
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Please tell me NBC has the SB. :lol
I'm going to see if I can get one of those direct Russian feeds with no announcers. No commercials and no Weeknd, but that's a small price to pay...
Looks like CBS does have the SB. I suspect you'll be listening to Kenosha again..
On repeat!
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To be a little fair to Rodgers, his team has now given up an average of 35.6 in his 9 postseason losses.
And it was 36.1 before today, but dropped a tad after they only gave up 31 today. :lol :lol
Make no mistake about it, all luck is not created equal in the playoffs, and when looking at the all-time great QB's, Rodgers is right down there with Brees when it comes to unluckiest in the playoffs.
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Could it be that Brady's leadership translates across the aisle (to the defense)? And that's the real difference between Brady and Rogers?
Brady isn't about fancy plays breaking the pocket and making some grand throw. Brady is about instilling belief in his teammates...2019 Patriots notwithstanding.
This is also why I think Sean Peyton is the most overrated coach in the league.
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Could it be that Brady's leadership translates across the aisle (to the defense)? And that's the real difference between Brady and Rogers?
Brady isn't about fancy plays breaking the pocket and making some grand throw. Brady is about instilling belief in his teammates...2019 Patriots notwithstanding.
This is also why I think Sean Peyton is the most overrated coach in the league.
I am sure there is a confidence in knowing that he is your QB, as opposed to knowing that a guy like Winston, who enjoyed throwing interceptions in Tampa as much as eating crab legs or w's, is back there.
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Meanwhile, LeVeon Bell and Antonio Brown will both be appearing in their first Super Bowl (assuming both are healthy enough to play). :lol :lol
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Big Ben 501 yds 4 td 4 picks 37 pts “he sucks”
Brady 280 yds 3 td 3 picks 31 pts “he’s great”
Guys, please. You can credit the TB defense without implying Brady exerted his magic powers. ::)
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The Tamps D has some playmakers for sure. Whoever 45 is, he's awesome, that dude.
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Big Ben 501 yds 4 td 4 picks 37 pts “he sucks”
Brady 280 yds 3 td 3 picks 31 pts “he’s great”
Guys, please. You can credit the TB defense without implying Brady exerted his magic powers. ::)
I know you won't reply, or will have some snippy non-reply, since you have become the XeRocks version of this thread (hit and run poster who rarely replies or shows any interest in actual discussion), but if you can't see the difference in how awful Ben was against Cleveland (most of his stats were empty calories) and how Brady's play in the first 2 quarters and change today was integral in building a 28-10 lead that the Packers ultimately could not come back from, not to mention that Brady just made his 10th (!!) Super Bowl while Ben has been stuck on 3 for a decade, then there is little hope for you.
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Kev, did that hurt to type that? :lol
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Kev, did that hurt to type that? :lol
Not at all. I am tired of watching Brady as anybody, especially when he gets unnecessary help from the men in striped shirts, but you have to give it up at some point.
But I guess I'd be pretty bitter, too, if I was a Steelers fan and have had to watch my team become the AFC version of the Dallas Cowboys, living off past reputation at this point. I am seeing it elsewhere as well (not Twitter!). Steelers fans everywhere hate this more than any other fan base. I think they have convinced themselves that those mean old cheaters Belichick and Brady are the reason their team hasn't won more rings in that last decade, as if we all imagined those playoff losses to Tim Tebow, Blake Bortles and Baker Mayfield.
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Would have sworn NBC should be on the slate for this SB, was bugging me enough for me to look it up:
Although NBC was to air this game under the current rotation, they traded the game to CBS in exchange for Super Bowl LVI, which falls during the 2022 Winter Olympics and is the first to be scheduled during an ongoing Olympic Games (this also upholds a gentleman's agreement between the NFL's broadcasters to not counter-program the Super Bowl,[20] as NBC also holds the U.S. broadcast rights to the Olympics).
My interest in the NFL is peanuts compared to most of you all here, but I am fairly interested in this game, both the story lines and the match-up on the field.
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To be a little fair to Rodgers, his team has now given up an average of 35.6 in his 9 postseason losses.
And it was 36.1 before today, but dropped a tad after they only gave up 31 today. :lol :lol
Make no mistake about it, all luck is not created equal in the playoffs, and when looking at the all-time great QB's, Rodgers is right down there with Brees when it comes to unluckiest in the playoffs.
Can’t agree more, Rodgers isn’t responsible for the DC screwing the pooch at the end of the first half today. He didn’t screw up the onside kick in Seattle. He didn’t even touch the ball in two OT losses.
Sure, you can say he needs to score more points, but he’s not responsible for giving up the 36 points per game in the losses.
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been saying it for many years, how the idea of putting Aaron Rodgers among the greatest quarterbacks ever is utterly ridiculous.
We need boner-react likes for posts like these. I remember he and Brady were the next week's matchup on SNF one week a year or two ago and they had the stupidity to hype it as something like "The two best to ever do it". Bruh, Ben Roethlisberger has more rings than you and he's not quite in that Griese/Plunkett/Eli tier of QBs whom were severely carried by their run game and D (though he's far from being comfortably past that criticism imo).
There is no logical and unbiased way to rank him as high as they do while reducing Brees to a system QB the way the majority of these bums do. The only thing Rodgers has over Brees is fewer INTs and 2 more NFC CG appearances, which he lost. Dude has no realistic shot at the all time TDs or yards records. If he plays 20 seasons that'd be only 4 more which would necessitate ~7300 yards and 40 TDs 4 straight years in the twilight of his career.
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As a Raiders fan I hate both KC and Brady. Both teams have the same color of red (yawn). And The Weeknd is performing at halftime (blah). The only thing that would interest me in this SB is if they brought back the Bud Bowl.
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We need boner-react likes for posts like these. I remember he and Brady were the next week's matchup on SNF one week a year or two ago and they had the stupidity to hype it as something like "The two best to ever do it". Bruh, Ben Roethlisberger has more rings than you and he's not quite in that Griese/Plunkett/Eli tier of QBs whom were severely carried by their run game and D (though he's far from being comfortably past that criticism imo).
There is no logical and unbiased way to rank him as high as they do while reducing Brees to a system QB the way the majority of these bums do. The only thing Rodgers has over Brees is fewer INTs and 2 more NFC CG appearances, which he lost. Dude has no realistic shot at the all time TDs or yards records. If he plays 20 seasons that'd be only 4 more which would necessitate ~7300 yards and 40 TDs 4 straight years in the twilight of his career.
So basically, Rodgers is better at not turning the ball over (89 interceptions on 6587 career pass attempts for Rodgers, meaning he throws a pick every 1.4 passes out of 100 vs 243 interceptions on 10,551 career pass attempts for Brees, meaning he throws a pick every 2.3 passes out of 100), and Rodgers is better at taking his team further in the playoffs (both have 1 Super Bowl appearance and win, Rodgers has taken his team to twice as many conference championship games despite having been a starter in six less seasons to date), yet am I reading your implication correct that Rodgers is not better than Brees all-time currently?
Note: I do think Brees has been more underrated than not, but no way am I putting him over Rodgers right now. And to anyone who thinks Roethlisberger is even close to either, I want some of what you're smoking. :P :lol
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Big Ben 501 yds 4 td 4 picks 37 pts “he sucks”
Brady 280 yds 3 td 3 picks 31 pts “he’s great”
Guys, please. You can credit the TB defense without implying Brady exerted his magic powers. ::)
Ever play on a team sport that actually won something?
It's not "magic powers", but I absolutely guarantee you that that defense is better - even if it's a miniscule amount - with Brady than it is without. There is a "way to win". There just is. Whether it's a way to practice, whether it's an attitude in the locker room, whether it's a swagger on the field, whether it's simply the knowledge that you're important, but nothing you can do will be a dealbreaker in terms of your win, there are (and have been) players in history that elevate their entire team simply by their presence. Derek Jeter is one. Mark Messier is another. I'm not a huge basketball guy, but it looks to me that LeBron James is another (not willing to die on that hill). John Havlicek is yet another. Tom Brady is most certainly in that category.
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As a Raiders fan I hate both KC and Brady. Both teams have the same color of red (yawn). And The Weeknd is performing at halftime (blah). The only thing that would interest me in this SB is if they brought back the Bud Bowl.
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Big Ben 501 yds 4 td 4 picks 37 pts “he sucks”
Brady 280 yds 3 td 3 picks 31 pts “he’s great”
Guys, please. You can credit the TB defense without implying Brady exerted his magic powers. ::)
Ever play on a team sport that actually won something?
It's not "magic powers", but I absolutely guarantee you that that defense is better - even if it's a miniscule amount - with Brady than it is without. There is a "way to win". There just is. Whether it's a way to practice, whether it's an attitude in the locker room, whether it's a swagger on the field, whether it's simply the knowledge that you're important, but nothing you can do will be a dealbreaker in terms of your win, there are (and have been) players in history that elevate their entire team simply by their presence. Derek Jeter is one. Mark Messier is another. I'm not a huge basketball guy, but it looks to me that LeBron James is another (not willing to die on that hill). John Havlicek is yet another. Tom Brady is most certainly in that category.
Yeah, but Jameis Winston threw for 500 more yards than Brady !
I was going to post something like this last night, but I was trying to not sound like a homer. What Brady is able to do is to reach "across the aisle" to the defensive side of the room. Having watched the last 20 years up close, with all of the weekly interviews and pre/post game press conferences, he seems to be a real inclusive teammate, 2019 notwithstanding.
I forget what writer had this, but the Bucs committed 133 penalties in 2019, and only 84 this season. Sure, maybe a second year under Areans is helpful, but Brady ups everyone's focus.
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Yeah, it is stunning that a team with Tom Brady would not have a lot of penalties called on them by the officials... :lol :lol :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Yeah, it is stunning that a team with Tom Brady would not have a lot of penalties called on them by the officials... :lol :lol :biggrin: :biggrin:
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TBS
Tom Brady Syndrome. :lol
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As a Raiders fan I hate both KC and Brady. Both teams have the same color of red (yawn). And The Weeknd is performing at halftime (blah). The only thing that would interest me in this SB is if they brought back the Bud Bowl.
I saw this morning where Budweiser is not going to advertise in this year's SB.
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I've given up all hope of sane fact-based analysis of the NFL becoming mainstream. Some of the ideas being thrown around here are a joke.
I can play too.
I think Terry Bradshaw "willed" his defense to play great in those 4 Super Bowls.
Prove me wrong.
See how that works?
Thank goodness Kevshmev is around to lend some sanity to this thread. The Brady cultists have taken over. He tried his best to lose that game in the second half but his D bailed him out. That's the actual reality, and everyone would agree with it if it had been Rivers or Romo or Ryan doing that crap in the second half. Brady's D bailed him out, as usual. 3-1 in playoff games where he throws 3 picks. LOL. Maybe he threw them on purpose so that he could practice "willing" his defense to step up? You guys are too smart to roll with these types of fantasy narratives.
Fact: Brady had a much better O-Line and defense in this game and that is why Tampa Bay won. 21 QB pressures to 5. It wasn't "guts" or "will" or "intangibles" or "presence" or any arcane mysticism people seem fascinated with instead of Xs and Os. Oh yeah, only 1 QB of the 4 played great yesterday and we all know who that was. Mahomes was head and shoulders better. That's one last thing, in their 4 head-to-head matchups Mahomes has an 11-3 TD/INT ratio while Brady is at 6:5.
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You do know that you don't always play the best game but you do enough to win Dream Team? When a team turns the ball over and you capitalize while the other QB doesn't, when you are 9/14 on third down. That's what it takes to win. The big plays in the big moments.
You have this hatred of a player that blurs your vision. You don't make 10 SB's because you are just lucky. You also aren't the only reason but you are a big cog to why. Without that QB, others can't make great plays that matter.
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I realize I'm coming off as Brady honk here but c'mon Dream Team.
You obviously hate Brady. Cool.
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I've given up all hope of sane fact-based analysis of the NFL becoming mainstream. Some of the ideas being thrown around here are a joke.
I can play too.
I think Terry Bradshaw "willed" his defense to play great in those 4 Super Bowls.
Prove me wrong.
See how that works?
Thank goodness Kevshmev is around to lend some sanity to this thread. The Brady cultists have taken over. He tried his best to lose that game in the second half but his D bailed him out. That's the actual reality, and everyone would agree with it if it had been Rivers or Romo or Ryan doing that crap in the second half. Brady's D bailed him out, as usual. 3-1 in playoff games where he throws 3 picks. LOL. Maybe he threw them on purpose so that he could practice "willing" his defense to step up? You guys are too smart to roll with these types of fantasy narratives.
Fact: Brady had a much better O-Line and defense in this game and that is why Tampa Bay won. 21 QB pressures to 5. It wasn't "guts" or "will" or "intangibles" or "presence" or any arcane mysticism people seem fascinated with instead of Xs and Os. Oh yeah, only 1 QB of the 4 played great yesterday and we all know who that was. Mahomes was head and shoulders better. That's one last thing, in their 4 head-to-head matchups Mahomes has an 11-3 TD/INT ratio while Brady is at 6:5.
First, stop with the "insanity" nonsense, and second, if you ARE going to go down that path, at least get the argument right. No one - at least not me - ever said Brady "willed" anyone to be better. That's ridiculous. I said, and stand by, that he on any given Sunday, raised everyone's level of play. And that's the third thing: does it make him perfect? No. Does it mean that on any given play or in any given game that he didn't control the outcome of the game? Sure. Absolutely, and I'm not sure anyone else is saying that either.
But you're swinging it the other way with your ridiculous "cult" nonsense. Yeah, maybe THAT game he got some help. There are hundreds of games in his career where he didn't get the help AND STILL WON.
I'm not into personal explanations for crazy behavior, but if I was to choose between ALL of us here being "insane" cultists or one person being bitter and angry that Brady wasn't on his team, I know where my money would go.... :) :) :) :)
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I think he's going at me with the "will the defense" as I stated that I believe Brady's influence stretches "across the aisle".
That's my opinion based on what my perceptions, the testimonies of his teammates, and the actions on the field over the last 20 years. I get railing against the Brady Gaga Machine, but I'm not selling anything here, other than having a football conversation between friends over a beer. But to deny Brady at this point is nuts.
Sure he played for a great coach with (many years) a great defense. And may have gotten a call or two. But 10 SBs in 20 years, and 4 AFCCG in 4 others? There's a common thread.
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I look at it this way; if you're on a team and you see the star player coming in early, giving up the Benjamins to have a better team, and putting in the reps and the work to be the best ever, are you going to do the bare minimum and then go to the hot tub? Are you going to do your reps once and go tweet? If, after all that, you're on the sidelines waiting to get in and Brady walks up to you and says "Stads, bro, look; think back to all the work we put in, all the practice all the discipline; we need a stop this series. Get me the ball back and we go to the Super Bowl", are you going to go tweet something, or are you going to knuckle down and give the three best plays of your life? Because not for nothing, he did throw those picks, but he also wore that clock down like a mofo at the end.
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I don't hate Brady and I'm not a cultist. He's playing occasionally great and occasionally terrible football for a consistently solid team. The rest of his team gives him the opportunity to bail himself out of his own predicaments, and because he's the GOAT he does so. Looking at the game yesterday I didn't get the impression that Trent Dilfer could have carried them to the Super Bowl. They're not that good. I think they are good enough that plenty of other QBs could, and Brady can easily, despite occasionally poor play.
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I look at it this way; if you're on a team and you see the star player coming in early, giving up the Benjamins to have a better team, and putting in the reps and the work to be the best ever, are you going to do the bare minimum and then go to the hot tub? Are you going to do your reps once and go tweet? If, after all that, you're on the sidelines waiting to get in and Brady walks up to you and says "Stads, bro, look; think back to all the work we put in, all the practice all the discipline; we need a stop this series. Get me the ball back and we go to the Super Bowl", are you going to go tweet something, or are you going to knuckle down and give the three best plays of your life? Because not for nothing, he did throw those picks, but he also wore that clock down like a mofo at the end.
Yup. I recall Terry Bradshaw saying the same thing to Jack Lambert and Mel Blount..
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I can't remember if I posted it in this thread or not, but I put $100 on the Bucs to win the NFC at +275 two months ago. My brother placed the bet for me at a local legal sports book. Funny story, it was the same day they got blasted by the Saints on SNF, so I was like, 'Great, the one time I bet big money on Tom Brady.' :lol :lol But, ultimately, here we are, and I will be cashing that in and getting my $375 here soon. :hat :hat
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Good for you Kev. I can't bring myself to bet on sports. :dunno:
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Aside from fantasy football, I usually don't, but that was a spur of the moment thing. I used to bet on point spreads on a regular basis back in my early to mid 20's, but that got too stressful, so I chucked it.
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Heard two things on radio today, hope I got them straight in my memory:
1) The last time a team won the SB with a QB making >13% of their team's cap was 1995 (Steve Young, 49ers).
2) Steph Curry, whom we may all agree is the best 3 point shooter, and maybe the best overall shooter, in NBA history, hits 3s at a clip of 43%. Tom Brady has been in the NFL 21 years, and has made the SB in 10 of them, a 47% clip. Tom Brady gets to the SB at a higher rate than Steph Curry makes 3s.
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#1 is not really relevant to anything. There is not necessarily a correlation.
#2 is not a comparable stat. I shouldn't need to say that.
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Yeah, number 2 is one of those cute little memes you seen on FB, put out there merely to slurp TB12, as if he isn't raw and drained already from the last two days. :lol :lol
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#1 may or may not be relevant to anything, there may not be a correlation. Didn't make it less interesting to me.
#2 I just like weird stats like that.
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FB? FootBall?
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I will admit I do like fun facts.
Rex Grossman and Tom Brady have now combined to win two NFC championships.
Lonzo Ball is shooting 29.1% from 3-point range this season. Aaron Rodgers has won only one of the five NFC conference championship games in which he has played, or 20% of them. That means Lonzo Ball, not considered much of a shooter, is more likely to make a 3-pointer than Aaron Rodgers is to win when he plays in the NFCCG.
This is fun. ;)
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Yeah, number 2 is one of those cute little memes you seen on FB, put out there merely to slurp TB12, as if he isn't raw and drained already from the last two days. :lol :lol
Get on your knees then Kev. :lol
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:eek :eek
:lol :lol
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Another stupid useless fact I saw.
Tom Brady has never lost a CBS broadcast SuperBowl.
Tom Brady has never won a SB against a team with a non animal logo.
::) :|
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Sounds like SB prop bets.
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I can word this in a more genteel way. Any game can be explained by Xs and Os, there is no need to reach into the 4th dimension to explain why a certain team won or lost, because that becomes a VERY slippery slope. Does Eli beating Brady twice mean Eli had greater "will" in those games? What happened to Brady's 4th-dimensional abilities in the 10 years between 2004 and 2014? You can see how quickly such discussions become ridiculous, those should be reserved for drunks in bars. I'm sure tons of great QBs and other players inspire their teams. And to answer Stadler's question, I did play team sports and after hitting a homer I didn't come back to the bench and say "thanks for willing me to do that guys".
Based on Xs and Os, Brady has a very clear path to victory in SB 55. The Chiefs have the 32nd ranked Red Zone defense. The Chiefs' offensive line is a bunch of undrafted guys. Brady is the first QB in history to have four 1300-yd receivers at his disposal (not all 1300 this year obviously) plus some really good backs. The Bucs' defense ranks near the top of the league and the Chiefs' . . . doesn't.
Mahomes will have to play perfect to win this game. And if he does, it won't be because he willed it more, it will be because he is extremely talented and (so far) is the greatest playoff performer ever in terms of points, scoring drives, etc. But Chris Simms said it best on Pro Football Talk discussing the Rodgers-Brady game: one guy has to play perfect to win, and the other doesn't.
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I can word this in a more genteel way. Any game can be explained by Xs and Os, there is no need to reach into the 4th dimension to explain why a certain team won or lost, because that becomes a VERY slippery slope. Does Eli beating Brady twice mean Eli had greater "will" in those games? What happened to Brady's 4th-dimensional abilities in the 10 years between 2004 and 2014? You can see how quickly such discussions become ridiculous, those should be reserved for drunks in bars. I'm sure tons of great QBs and other players inspire their teams. And to answer Stadler's question, I did play team sports and after hitting a homer I didn't come back to the bench and say "thanks for willing me to do that guys".
Based on Xs and Os, Brady has a very clear path to victory in SB 55. The Chiefs have the 32nd ranked Red Zone defense. The Chiefs' offensive line is a bunch of undrafted guys. Brady is the first QB in history to have four 1300-yd receivers at his disposal (not all 1300 this year obviously) plus some really good backs. The Bucs' defense ranks near the top of the league and the Chiefs' . . . doesn't.
Mahomes will have to play perfect to win this game. And if he does, it won't be because he willed it more, it will be because he is extremely talented and (so far) is the greatest playoff performer ever in terms of points, scoring drives, etc. But Chris Simms said it best on Pro Football Talk discussing the Rodgers-Brady game: one guy has to play perfect to win, and the other doesn't.
I mean this nicely, but as long as you keep using the phrase "willing" I'm dismissing what you write as trolling. I never once EVER said he "wills" anything, and if you hit a home run on my team and came back and said "thanks for willing me to do that" I'd laugh at you and call you a putz (or tell you you owe us a beer for our troubles). You make it sound like we (I) am talking about magic or voodoo.
Think about the P/R threads; there are hundreds of posts that are arguing EXACTLY what I'm saying here about Brady, except about Trump, and people take it like a fait accompli, some to the tune that they would put Trump in jail for the impact he has had over four years on the "deplorables". Now, I'm the opposite, I don't actually think it's the same with Trump, but only because Trump doesn't have any face-to-face contact, he's not in a locker room or, in some cases living with, the people he's leading, and it's not as synergistic as what Brady is involved with.
It's not JUST X's and O's, else Sean Payton would have six SB's, and Drew Brees would be there now again for HIS 10th time. It's a complicated mix of all of the above, and a drive to stay excellent at all of them simultaneously. And I'm only responding for everyone else's benefit/amusement: saying Patrick Mahomes "(so far) is the greatest playoff performer ever in terms of points, scoring drives, etc." is laughable in the extreme. I can name five players off the top of my head that make that a comical statement (Montana, Brady, Bradshaw, Stabler, Graham, I might even put Aikman on there). Can we please ask that he do it more than say, ONCE before we term him the greatest ever?
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I agree with Jimmy Johnson who said the Texans should not trade D Watson under any circumstances. Okay, he asked for a trade, but that doesn't mean that Houston has to trade him.
And I am all in favor of a player having the right to determine where he plays and trying to dictate the terms, especially once they are good enough to have the power to do so, but that doesn't mean I think an organization should bend over and give a player what he wants. Granted, you risk pissing off a lot of players and making it to where no free agent will want to come to Houston if you draw a line in the sand and refuse to trade him, but that can be overcome if you play it right. And I am not confident that an organization that was dumb enough to give Bill O'Brien lots of power AND let him trade away D Hopkins without getting even close to equal value has enough of a clue to do so, so they really are in a tough spot.
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I agree with Jimmy Johnson who said the Texans should not trade D Watson under any circumstances. Okay, he asked for a trade, but that doesn't mean that Houston has to trade him.
And I am all in favor of a player having the right to determine where he plays and trying to dictate the terms, especially once they are good enough to have the power to do so, but that doesn't mean I think an organization should bend over and give a player what he wants. Granted, you risk pissing off a lot of players and making it to where no free agent will want to come to Houston if you draw a line in the sand and refuse to trade him, but that can be overcome if you play it right. And I am not confident that an organization that was dumb enough to give Bill O'Brien lots of power AND let him trade away D Hopkins without getting even close to equal value has enough of a clue to do so, so they really are in a tough spot.
There's the possibility he just decides not to play. He can afford it. The assumed rate for him seems to be three #1s. Depending on the expected values on those number 1s, they might be better off taking them.
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I agree with Jimmy Johnson who said the Texans should not trade D Watson under any circumstances. Okay, he asked for a trade, but that doesn't mean that Houston has to trade him.
And I am all in favor of a player having the right to determine where he plays and trying to dictate the terms, especially once they are good enough to have the power to do so, but that doesn't mean I think an organization should bend over and give a player what he wants. Granted, you risk pissing off a lot of players and making it to where no free agent will want to come to Houston if you draw a line in the sand and refuse to trade him, but that can be overcome if you play it right. And I am not confident that an organization that was dumb enough to give Bill O'Brien lots of power AND let him trade away D Hopkins without getting even close to equal value has enough of a clue to do so, so they really are in a tough spot.
Deshaun signed his extension well after Bill O’Brien ruined the roster, he knew what was going on so it’s hard to feel bad for him.
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I'm not a Texans fan but I would certainly pick up a pitchfork to hunt down Bill O'Brien. He single-handedly fucked up this franchise for years to come! :tdwn
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Rumor has it that it was the ownership's love of Jack Easterby that ruined the Texans. Read up on him.
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We saw Easterby preach at a church in Plymouth a few years ago.
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Yuk.
Anyone see the trade of Goff and Stafford? Plus the picks? Crazy!
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Saw that. Glad to see Stafford finally on a team with a clue, as he has always been a good player stuck on a clown franchise. I can't in good conscience root for the Rams to win since they are owned by Satan's spawn, but I hope Stafford does well.
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So the Rams traded Two 1s and a 3 for the number 1 pick in the draft who has never won a playoff game.
WOW! :omg:
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So the Rams traded Two 1s and a 3 for the number 1 pick in the draft who has never won a playoff game.
WOW! :omg:
Haha, that is one way to put it, but Stafford has been a darn good QB for most of his career; he's just been stuck on a franchise that is a total clown show. You can only overcome so much. Assuming he stays healthy, I will be shocked if he doesn't do well with the Rams. That situation is a QB's wet dream - offensive guru as head coach, good RB's, really good WR's, great D to always keep games close.
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So the Rams traded Two 1s and a 3 for the number 1 pick in the draft who has never won a playoff game.
WOW! :omg:
Haha, that is one way to put it, but Stafford has been a darn good QB for most of his career; he's just been stuck on a franchise that is a total clown show. You can only overcome so much. Assuming he stays healthy, I will be shocked if he doesn't do well with the Rams. That situation is a QB's wet dream - offensive guru as head coach, good RB's, really good WR's, great D to always keep games close.
Watch out for the Rams. I think this is a HUGE trade, and speaks volumes. In fact, it's one of those trades that if I was the Lions I'd be "what are we getting into". The Rams committed the entire organization to Goff, and have little to show for it, other than a couple of gimme ref calls that advanced them farther than they had any right to go (just kidding!). Unless for some reason Stafford is "ruined" by the Rams, which I don't see, they are now a MUCH more dangerous team.
I'm not a fan, so there's a little bias there, but Goff isn't good enough to lift a team on his shoulders. If I'm a Lions fan, I'm kicking the dog and spending a lot of time with the curtains drawn sitting in the dark. I would NOT be happy about this.
(As a Pats fan, I'm not happy about this either as I saw some possibility of Stafford ending up in Foxboro.)
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I can't imagine a Lions fan being happy about much in regards to that team over the years, to be honest. :lol They had two of the greatest players I have ever seen since I started watching football in the mid 80's - Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson - and both retired early, and in their primes, to get the hell away from that clown show of a franchise.
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I can't imagine a Lions fan being happy about much in regards to that team over the years, to be honest. :lol They had two of the greatest players I have ever seen since I started watching football in the mid 80's - Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson - and both retired early, and in their primes, to get the hell away from that clown show of a franchise.
That's the thing for me - he had some real talent on some of those Lions teams - Megatron, Kenny Golladay but Stafford was never able to have even moderate success. I get that he has been with a crappy organization with crappy coaching staffs but you have to expect more from the number 1 overall pick. I think he took Detroit as far as he could.
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So the Rams improve immeasurably. For a couple of years. I can't help but think that giving up the '22 and '23 number ones is mortgaging the future a little more than I'd want. I'd rather pay big up front. At least the terms on his current contract are favorable. In a couple of years they might have to shell out a fortune, though.
The Lions are just the lions. If it weren't for Goff's contract I'd call them the winners here. Goff is competent and can help lead them through a rebuild. He's not going to single-handedly carry them to a championship, but nobody was going to. He can keep the wheels on while they squander those draft picks.
Like Stadler, I certainly wouldn't have minded seeing him in NE. Apparently, though, he made it clear that he'd play for 30 other teams, but not New England. Since his rationale was apparently an unwillingness to commit to the work ethic there (too cold, no days off, not enough fun) I'd say it's a good thing he opted out. Sounds just like a true Highland Park pretty boy. :lol
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All I know is that I knew this offseason was going to be fascinating with all the QB movement but WOW - it sure has started off with a bang!!
This offseason should be fun! :tup
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I'm watching the "Super Bowl Highlights" marathon on NFL Network -- a half hour highlight show for each game, with the early ones being narrated by Harry Kalas.
When they got to SB42, the guy doing the narrating described the David Tyree catch as the greatest play in SB history. I sort of chuckled at first (especially since you'd expect a fair amount of hyperbole in a show like this). But then I wondered...
Was it (at least up to that point -- and notwithstanding your rooting interest in that or any other game)?
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I'm watching the "Super Bowl Highlights" marathon on NFL Network -- a half hour highlight show for each game, with the early ones being narrated by Harry Kalas.
When they got to SB42, the guy doing the narrating described the David Tyree catch as the greatest play in SB history. I sort of chuckled at first (especially since you'd expect a fair amount of hyperbole in a show like this). But then I wondered...
Was it (at least up to that point -- and notwithstanding your rooting interest in that or any other game)?
I love those highlight videos. I usually binge those prior to the SB each year.
Greatest play in SB history? Not sure I'd pick the Tyree catch. Without thinking too hard on it, the SB49 Butler interception might be my top pick. It was a huge play, at the 1 yard line, with under a minute to go in the 4th, in a one score game. It wasn't a fluke, or an improbable one in a million catch, or a blown call or assignment. It was just one player using his skill, and a team using their training and preparation to beat the other side when it mattered most. And it was preceded by another amazing, and largely forgotten play, as Hightower(?) took down Lynch at the 1. And aside from that, it affected the future trajectories for both teams involved, especially the Seahawks.
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I'm watching the "Super Bowl Highlights" marathon on NFL Network -- a half hour highlight show for each game, with the early ones being narrated by Harry Kalas.
When they got to SB42, the guy doing the narrating described the David Tyree catch as the greatest play in SB history. I sort of chuckled at first (especially since you'd expect a fair amount of hyperbole in a show like this). But then I wondered...
Was it (at least up to that point -- and notwithstanding your rooting interest in that or any other game)?
Might well be up until that point. Afterward, I'd put Edelman's catch against the Falcons above that one. It was more spectacular and just as significant with regards to the outcome. I might put Butler's pick against Seattle above both, though. Like Chris said, it was all skill and training.
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What is amazing about the Tyree catch, and I want to puke just thinking of it, was that Eli was in Seymour's grips and somehow escaped, and Rodney was all over Tyree. An amazing play for sure.
The Edelman catch was just ridiculous.
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First plays that come to mind for me as far as greatest plays in SB history are:
-The Tyree catch
-The Malcolm Butler INT at the goal line
-Mike Jones tackling Kevin Dyson at the 1
To me, everything else can fight for 4th place, but those are the top 3. Other big ones that come to mind are the Warner to Bruce TD, the Elway helicopter run, the Santonio Holmes TD, and the Don Beebe/Leon Lett play.
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the Don Beebe/Leon Lett play.
:lol
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Why is that funny? Some plays are awesome, even in losing efforts. I equate the Beebe play to the Ben Watson play when he chased down Champ Bailey on the INT return in the divisional round game loss to the Broncos following the '05 season.
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I'm watching the "Super Bowl Highlights" marathon on NFL Network -- a half hour highlight show for each game, with the early ones being narrated by Harry Kalas.
When they got to SB42, the guy doing the narrating described the David Tyree catch as the greatest play in SB history. I sort of chuckled at first (especially since you'd expect a fair amount of hyperbole in a show like this). But then I wondered...
Was it (at least up to that point -- and notwithstanding your rooting interest in that or any other game)?
I love those highlight videos. I usually binge those prior to the SB each year.
Greatest play in SB history? Not sure I'd pick the Tyree catch. Without thinking too hard on it, the SB49 Butler interception might be my top pick. It was a huge play, at the 1 yard line, with under a minute to go in the 4th, in a one score game. It wasn't a fluke, or an improbable one in a million catch, or a blown call or assignment. It was just one player using his skill, and a team using their training and preparation to beat the other side when it mattered most. And it was preceded by another amazing, and largely forgotten play, as Hightower(?) took down Lynch at the 1. And aside from that, it affected the future trajectories for both teams involved, especially the Seahawks.
Unfortunately, yesterday, the Rams-Lions trade broke in the middle of the SB8 package, so the NFLN spent like two hours discussing it. I lost interest and then went to bed. I'm hoping they'll start over, but I'm not optimistic.
I think there's no question that the Butler interception was a bigger play, but that was seven years after the Tyree catch.
-Mike Jones tackling Kevin Dyson at the 1
To me, everything else can fight for 4th place, but those are the top 3. Other big ones that come to mind are the Warner to Bruce TD, the Elway helicopter run, the Santonio Holmes TD, and the Don Beebe/Leon Lett play.
The Jones and Holmes plays are right up there. The Beebe/Lett play was cool but inconsequential to the game.
While it certainly wasn't great, Jackie Smith's drop in SB13 was hugely significant.
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Why is that funny?
Because I always laugh when I think of that play.
I wasn't laughing at you or your pick.
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I still can't watch that Tyree catch.
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While it certainly wasn't great, Jackie Smith's drop in SB13 was hugely significant.
As was Lynn Swann drawing a DPI for tripping up Benny Barnes. :lol
Why is that funny?
Because I always laugh when I think of that play.
I wasn't laughing at you or your pick.
Yeah, it was pretty funny. At the time it pissed me off, though. That was going to be the biggest blowout in SB history until that play. Leon was a good guy and a great DL, but he's known almost entirely for two boneheaded plays.
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I know I watched SB 27 and 28, but don't have any particular memories of it. Just scanned the box scores, fascinating how the stats are pretty similar between both teams over both games, until you get to the turnovers.
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Why is that funny?
Because I always laugh when I think of that play.
I wasn't laughing at you or your pick.
Haha, gotcha. :coolio
While it certainly wasn't great, Jackie Smith's drop in SB13 was hugely significant.
Fun story: I served him several times many, many years ago when I was tending bar. Nice guy, very cordial and friendly.
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Fun story: I served him several times many, many years ago when I was tending bar. Nice guy, very cordial and friendly.
<conspiratorial whisper> Uh, Kev. Everyone is cordial and friendly to their bartender.
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This is a bit random given all the recent Stafford/Watson talk, but as a Niners fan I'm so tired of some national media and local (to SF) stories seeming to treat Jimmy G as a mediocre or bad quarterback as a foregone conclusion. I'm not saying he's a premiere QB, but for a team that's 24-9 with him, 7-26 without him, and who just last year led the team to a super bowl I've never seen a quarterback get less credit. He has injury issues, which is huge, and a big reason to either get a high quality backup or to move on to someone else, but it is just starting to annoy me how much of the conversation seems to treat him like crap even when healthy.
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Jimmy's only issue is he can't stay on the field. That's hurt his status honestly.
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I know I watched SB 27 and 28, but don't have any particular memories of it. Just scanned the box scores, fascinating how the stats are pretty similar between both teams over both games, until you get to the turnovers.
As a Broncos fan and someone who usually leans toward the AFC if the Broncos aren't playing, that stretch of games from 17-31 was SO DAMN DEPRESSING. The only AFC win during that stretch was the stinking Raiders, and the average margin of victory was 20.67 points (the average margin in the 23 games from 32-54 is less than half that number). I was in a bad place during SB25, and that Bills loss (one of only two close games during that stretch) was just crushing. By the time of 27 and 28, I pretty much hated everyone who liked the Cowboys, Redskins, Giants and 49ers.
While it certainly wasn't great, Jackie Smith's drop in SB13 was hugely significant.
Fun story: I served him several times many, many years ago when I was tending bar. Nice guy, very cordial and friendly.
I will NEVER forget Curt Gowdy's call of that play. I was a very new football fan at that time, and I had no idea who Jackie Smith was, but Gowdy (along with John Brodie and Merlin Olson) made me care about Jackie Smith. I just looked him up on Pro Football Reference and see that was the last year of Smith's career -- one season with Dallas after 15 with the Cardinals. That catch in SB13 would have been his only catch of the season.
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That no catch by Jackie Smith. You might as well put a dagger through my heart and give it a good twist! :facepalm:
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That no catch by Jackie Smith. You might as well put a dagger through my heart and give it a good twist! :facepalm:
Heck, man...I had like 75 cents riding on that game! :biggrin:
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Fun story: I served him several times many, many years ago when I was tending bar. Nice guy, very cordial and friendly.
<conspiratorial whisper> Uh, Kev. Everyone is cordial and friendly to their bartender.
They damn well better be! :P :biggrin:
While it certainly wasn't great, Jackie Smith's drop in SB13 was hugely significant.
Fun story: I served him several times many, many years ago when I was tending bar. Nice guy, very cordial and friendly.
I will NEVER forget Curt Gowdy's call of that play. I was a very new football fan at that time, and I had no idea who Jackie Smith was, but Gowdy (along with John Brodie and Merlin Olson) made me care about Jackie Smith. I just looked him up on Pro Football Reference and see that was the last year of Smith's career -- one season with Dallas after 15 with the Cardinals. That catch in SB13 would have been his only catch of the season.
The impact of that drop is overstated anyway. Yeah, if he catches it, they get 7 instead of 3, and the final was 35-31, but it's not as simple as adding those 4 and saying the game plays out exactly the same way, especially since his drop was in the 3rd Q. Dallas scored a TD with like 20 seconds left to make the final 35-31, but something tells me the Steelers D would have played the situation differently up 35-28 late instead of the 35-24 score it was. But the media loves a good scapegoat.
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and......the throw was low and behind Smith, who slipped while trying to stop and catch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbO2wlxYeWw
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Not sure where to put this, but.
@ Stadler....there's hope!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/cbs-preparing-for-jim-nantz-to-potentially-leave/ar-BB1dis07?li=BBnbfcL
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and......the throw was low and behind Smith, who was slipped while trying to stop and catch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbO2wlxYeWw
I honestly didn't know what you guys were talking about but ouch...that is rough.
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and......the throw was low and behind Smith, who was slipped while trying to stop and catch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbO2wlxYeWw
I honestly didn't know what you guys were talking about but ouch...that is rough.
I remember that. Wide open. I was happy because a neighbor loved the Cowboys and i hated him because he loved any team not from N.E. :lol
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Not sure where to put this, but.
@ Stadler....there's hope!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/cbs-preparing-for-jim-nantz-to-potentially-leave/ar-BB1dis07?li=BBnbfcL
I'm not one to take pleasure in another man's misery. But there are always exceptions! :)
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and......the throw was low and behind Smith, who was slipped while trying to stop and catch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbO2wlxYeWw
I honestly didn't know what you guys were talking about but ouch...that is rough.
I still think the bad DPI call was more impactful. Dallas was trying to retake the momentum, and a 2nd and 20 would have helped. Instead they get a free first down on a bad call.
https://youtu.be/-EtyIE-LhtQ?t=1888
And fuck Lynn Swann, too. He knows damn well he caught a lucky break on that.
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Roger Staubach: "He was a communist, I heard".
(He was kidding.)
I forgot how good those Cowboys secondaries were. Charlie Waters, Cliff Harris...
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Roger Staubach: "He was a communist, I heard".
(He was kidding.)
I forgot how good those Cowboys secondaries were. Charlie Waters, Cliff Harris...
Roger famously has zero sense of humor. It showed in that attempt of a joke.
And yeah, Pittsburgh's D got all the props, but Dallas's was elite, too. You left off Everson Walls in the secondary (as has Canton), and Randy White, Harvey Martin, and Too-Tall Jones on the D-line.
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and......the throw was low and behind Smith, who was slipped while trying to stop and catch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbO2wlxYeWw
I don't buy into the "low and behind" bit, but this angle shows his slip better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezJ5zWBqhSk. It also shows the block on Jack Lambert that made the whole thing possible.
I still think the bad DPI call was more impactful. Dallas was trying to retake the momentum, and a 2nd and 20 would have helped. Instead they get a free first down on a bad call.
https://youtu.be/-EtyIE-LhtQ?t=1888
And fuck Lynn Swann, too. He knows damn well he caught a lucky break on that.
It was certainly a BS call. You've got the official #73 right on top of it simply calling the incomplete pass, and then Fred Swearingen comes running in and throws the flag. Hilarious that Swann still (as of whenever those interviews were done) thinks it was a good call. I don't know if I agree it was more impactful, but I won't argue that it wasn't.
Roger Staubach: "He was a communist, I heard".
(He was kidding.)
Well...he expressly said it was a joke based on the Cowboys being "America's team."
And yeah, Pittsburgh's D got all the props, but Dallas's was elite, too. You left off Everson Walls in the secondary (as has Canton), and Randy White, Harvey Martin, and Too-Tall Jones on the D-line.
Everson Walls didn't play in SB13. His first season was 1981, and his only SB was 25 with the Giants.
16 HOF'ers played in SB13 (17 if you include Tony Dungy, who's obviously only in the HOF for coaching).
Pittsburgh: Mel Blount, Terry Bradshaw (on the strength of the 4 Super Bowls and not much else), Joe Greene, Jack Ham, Franco Harris, Jack Lambert, Donnie Shell, John Stallworth, Lynn Swann (see Bradshaw) and Mike Webster.
Cowboys: Tony Dorsett, Cliff Harris, Jackie Smith, Roger Staubach, Randy Wright and Rayfield Wright.
I'm shocked that Ed "Too Tall" Jones and Charlie Waters aren't in the HOF (Jones should be in for his nickname alone).
I remember the lead-in for SB13. The winner of the game would be the first team to win three Super Bowls, so this was a clash of titans.
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Everson Walls didn't play in SB13. His first season was 1981, and his only SB was 25 with the Giants.
Yeah, he was later, but there was just enough of an overlap that he still gets included when discussing the Doomsday Defense. I guess that was beside the point, though.
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No chatter with the SB 3 days away?
As I said earlier, been watching those SB recap vids on YouTube. Through the first 15 Super Bowls, the highlight for me has to be Hank Stram's laughter on the sidelines of SBIV. Also just saw this on the Wiki: "Stram never had an offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, or special teams coach during his career with the Texans and Chiefs."
Seattle fans are gripping on the local radio waves. They can't root for the Bucs because of Brady and SB49, and they can't root for the Chiefs because they don't want a team to win back-to-back because the Seahawks couldn't in, yes that's right.... SB49.
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I can't believe this will be the first Superbowl I'll be watching my team playing in the superbowl, I've been following football since 2005 and had just missed the Bucs first Superbowl win by a couple of years and the team was still not bad after that, they did go to the playoffs a couple of times but nothing since 2007. Goes without saying I'll be rooting for them and hope they win but they are no doubt the underdogs. The Chiefs are looking like repeating and all I'm hoping is that the game is at least close.
Already this (past) year Tampa teams have gone to three major finals and have one in the bag with hopefully another win this Sunday. Fingers crossed.
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No chatter with the SB 3 days away?
Eh, this Superbowl, to me, kind of feels like a "been there done that" thing. Brady is in the Superbowl.....again....The Chiefs are in the Superbowl.....again.....
I was really hoping for either the Bills or the Browns sneaking into the Superbowl. The Bills made a decent attempt at least.
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^
and......the throw was low and behind Smith, who was slipped while trying to stop and catch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbO2wlxYeWw
I don't buy into the "low and behind" bit, but this angle shows his slip better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezJ5zWBqhSk. It also shows the block on Jack Lambert that made the whole thing possible.
That angle shows it even better ....that the throw was low and behind. Otherwise, Smith would not have had to put on the skids to try and catch it.
That whole play was overblown as to why Dallas lost. Plus...you cannot blame Staubach for not being perfect ;)
Best Super Bowl plays that are overlooked: Santonio Holmes TD catch against the Packers, Julio Jones out of this world catch against the Pats (overlooked because the Falcons sh*t the bed with the play calling afterwards), and...... Marcus Allen's TD against the WFT. Granted, it was not a 4th and 1 and get hit behind the line of scrimmage as Riggins the prior year, but it was the longest and most 'elegant' run of any on the main stage. It was what Barry Sanders could have done if given one chance.
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My Facebook memories is full of posts razzing my losing to the Falcons in he Superbowl. It's hilarious to see how many people went silent when the Pats came roaring back. It made my dad. LOL
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Bucs all the way. I have always kinda liked them, and I would love to see Brady win another one.
On the other hand, have always disliked the Chiefs, and all the more intensely under the current coach and QB (made an exception and rooted for them when they had Alex Smith).
So it's pretty easy to pick a side for this one.
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I've been silent in this thread since the NFC Championship game. You all know who I'm rooting for (or more accurately who I'm rooting against), but the truth is I'm trying to check out for this year's Super Bowl. I'm still gonna watch it (I haven't missed a Super Bowl since the Bucs beat the Raiders), but I fully expect to see my least favorite athlete of all time hoist ANOTHER Lombardi trophy, and if I allow myself to get invested too much I'm just setting myself up for pain. In theory me checking out will be good, but we'll see if I can actually do it in practice come Sunday.
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I've been silent in this thread since the NFC Championship game. You all know who I'm rooting for (or more accurately who I'm rooting against), but the truth is I'm trying to check out for this year's Super Bowl. I'm still gonna watch it (I haven't missed a Super Bowl since the Bucs beat the Raiders), but I fully expect to see my least favorite athlete of all time hoist ANOTHER Lombardi trophy, and if I allow myself to get invested too much I'm just setting myself up for pain. In theory me checking out will be good, but we'll see if I can actually do it in practice come Sunday.
I'm with you 100% on the hoisting of trophies (if Mahomes wins this, I predict he will be crowned Earth's Supreme Commander within 30 days) but I still have SOME hope Brady can pull it off. ;)
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No chatter with the SB 3 days away?
Eh, this Superbowl, to me, kind of feels like a "been there done that" thing. Brady is in the Superbowl.....again....The Chiefs are in the Superbowl.....again.....
I was really hoping for either the Bills or the Browns sneaking into the Superbowl. The Bills made a decent attempt at least.
To be fair, Cleveland was much closer to beating Kansas City than Buffalo was.
The only thing that would surprise me this Sunday night is a blowout either way. Mahomes continuing his GOAT pace would not be surprising, nor would Brady getting his 7th ring. Hoping for an entertaining game.
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I'm not sure why anyone would root for Cleveland or Buffalo. I get that they haven't won it, but so what? That's like saying, "I think I'll make a meal out of this here crap, because I've never tried that before."
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I'm not sure why anyone would root for Cleveland or Buffalo. I get that they haven't won it, but so what? That's like saying, "I think I'll make a meal out of this here crap, because I've never tried that before."
That's pretty much the premise of Chopped on the The Food Network! "Here, have a ghoolaput, a slimmy, a yog apple, and a can of tuna. Make me dessert." https://www.cracked.com/blog/why-food-network-best-worst-cable-channel-ever/
In any event, some of us, when we don't have a rooting interest, pull for the underdog.
I'm expecting to do what I did last year. Watch the game at home, head to In 'n' Out during halftime, and make it home before the second half starts so that I don't have to endure whatever garbage is going to be presented as a "halftime show."
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You can make it back from In N Out before halftime is over???
Our local In N Out is a few miles away, and I swear I can almost see the end of the drive thru line from my driveway.
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Yeah, because In N Out is worth waiting in that long of a line. :lol As far as underdogs go, I was glad to see the Browns do well this season because...well...they usually don't. I was also impressed with the Bills. They were 2 legitimate teams that I'm sure a lot of people were rooting for. Not that surprising.
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No chatter with the SB 3 days away?
Eh, this Superbowl, to me, kind of feels like a "been there done that" thing. Brady is in the Superbowl.....again....The Chiefs are in the Superbowl.....again.....
I was really hoping for either the Bills or the Browns sneaking into the Superbowl. The Bills made a decent attempt at least.
To be fair, Cleveland was much closer to beating Kansas City than Buffalo was.
The only thing that would surprise me this Sunday night is a blowout either way. Mahomes continuing his GOAT pace would not be surprising, nor would Brady getting his 7th ring. Hoping for an entertaining game.
On an unrelated note, I was playing my guitar last night and miracle of miracles, I played "Runnin' With The Devil" all the way through, including the solo, note perfect. I am CLEARLY now the GOAT of guitar. You only have to do it once, right? Isn't that how it works?
Mahomes is a GREAT player, no doubt. He is a LONG way from GOAT at this point, even if he wins on Sunday.
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He does have a long way to go....but he is on pace, especially with a win on Sunday. Time will tell if he can keep it up.
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On local sports talk radio this week I've been hearing Mahomes is the "Baby GOAT."
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It's gonna take a lot to pass Peyton Manning as the GOAT in my mind (I don't even hold Brady at that level despite the championships and records, that's how good Manning is IMO), but Mahomes is clearly the best playing right now, and it's not really close. Rodgers looks rejuvenated but is past his prime. Same for Brady but with added natural leadership. Josh Allen looks like he's the guy in Buffalo but there's still room for improvement. Same for Baker Mayfield in Cleveland but Allen is better. And don't even get me started on Lamar Jackson, who is useless without his running ability. Mahomes is playing at a level unseen in the league before, but is it sustainable? Only time will tell, but for right now, he's THE guy.
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You can make it back from In N Out before halftime is over???
Our local In N Out is a few miles away, and I swear I can almost see the end of the drive thru line from my driveway.
I was reminded of this by a "Memories" post on FB this past Tuesday. Last year, once the first half ended, I immediately got in the car. The local InO is just shy of a mile away and, given how long the SB halftime is, I think I made it back just as the last round of commercials before the second half was starting. I can't remember if I went through the drive-thru, but it's often quicker just to walk in.
On local sports talk radio this week I've been hearing Mahomes is the "Baby GOAT."
I've heard a lot of "the GOAT and the Kid," which is kind of amusing to me because we have a family friend named Nancy who, when growing up was called "Nanny" by younger siblings, and that eventually led to "Goat." When she had her first kid, she started a blog called "The Goat and the Kid" and I believe uses that name for some of her social media.
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Speaking of halftimes, the last halftime show I sat down to actually watch was The Who. That might actually be the only one I have ever watched.
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Speaking of halftimes, the last halftime show I sat down to actually watch was The Who. That might actually be the only one I have ever watched.
I generally avoid them. Looking at a list, I definitely saw Katy Perry's performance in 2015 (SB49). I feel like I missed The Who (SB44 in 2010) because I was at a party, and I think I went outside with a bunch of dads and kids to throw around a Nerf football (which was my family's typical halftime activity for 4-5 years around that time). I think I may have caught some of Paul McCartney at SB39 (2005). Nothing before that looks at all familiar, except for the ridiculous Indiana Jones themed show at SB29 (1995). That sticks out in my mind as being absolutely terrible.
I have no idea who's doing the show this year.
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So Andy Reid’s son (assistant coach on KC) was involved in a multi car accident and he was drinking. Can’t blame Brady’s talisman for that one. Hope those kids survive.
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That's just awful, hope everyone comes out ok.
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That's a damn shame. Andy's son (an assistant coach) doesn't appear to be injured, but a couple of kiddos are. Hope everybody turns out alright. I seem to recall that this isn't the first time one of Andy's kids has run into trouble. Sucks how that sort of thing can plague a family.
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It's gonna take a lot to pass Peyton Manning as the GOAT in my mind (I don't even hold Brady at that level despite the championships and records, that's how good Manning is IMO), but Mahomes is clearly the best playing right now, and it's not really close. Rodgers looks rejuvenated but is past his prime. Same for Brady but with added natural leadership. Josh Allen looks like he's the guy in Buffalo but there's still room for improvement. Same for Baker Mayfield in Cleveland but Allen is better. And don't even get me started on Lamar Jackson, who is useless without his running ability. Mahomes is playing at a level unseen in the league before, but is it sustainable? Only time will tell, but for right now, he's THE guy.
While I can't put Manning ahead of Brady anymore (I would have had Brady been done 3-4 years ago), I do think Manning has become someone underrated as he is sometimes left out of "Best QB's ever" conversations now, which is ridiculous. Okay, okay, Brady is by and large the unquestioned GOAT at QB, and I get that and accept that, but anyone who doesn't think Manning is at the very worst the 3rd best ever (I get putting Montana ahead of him still) either has a really bad memory or is, and I hate using this word, a hater.
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It’s getting a little crazy that only TEAM results matter in these discussions for a lot of people. If Mahomes wins 6 MVPs, 4 SBs without losing any and sets a bunch of records in his career, that is a comparable resume to a guy who was also great for a long time and went 6-3 in SBs or whatever. Kinda crazy too to dismiss Montana so easily when he was 4-0 in SBs and played great in all of them in addition to being dominant in the regular season.
Brady’s been great obviously, but the other day when Greenberg did his 10 amazing facts about him they were all team-based, while Mahomes’ were mostly his crazy domination as a passer.
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Lots of chatter Wentz will be traded within the week. Very curious to see the return as I doubt anyone is giving up major draft stock to acquire him.
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Lots of chatter Wentz will be traded within the week. Very curious to see the return as I doubt anyone is giving up major draft stock to acquire him.
Sounds like the Bears are closing to trading for him, so we'll see if they close the deal and what they have to give up.
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Rodgers wins the MVP and sneaks the fact he’s engaged in his acceptance speech.
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That 3rd MVP award puts Rodgers in pretty good company, as the only other QB's to win the AP MVP award at least three times are Unitas, Favre, Manning and Brady.
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That's a damn shame. Andy's son (an assistant coach) doesn't appear to be injured, but a couple of kiddos are. Hope everybody turns out alright. I seem to recall that this isn't the first time one of Andy's kids has run into trouble. Sucks how that sort of thing can plague a family.
There was an incident when he was in Philly; he lost his oldest to a heroin overdose.
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Has anyone put money on the game? I got some cash on the coin flip and on the Bucs taking it.
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Has anyone put money on the game? I got some cash on the coin flip and on the Bucs taking it.
I cashed in my futures bet yesterday (had $100 on the Bucs to win the NFC, won $375), and when I was there, I plunked down $100 on the Bucs +3 today. I think they are going to win and I am getting 3 points.
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Before making my prediction, I think I'll mention something about how BS narratives develop in sports. Maybe this is kind of obvious, but let's say QB A's team defeats QB B's team in a big playoff game. Now during the game, A was outplayed by B but was bailed out by his defense and benefitted from a couple fumbles. Now most intelligent people looking at film or even reading the box score can see that this was the case. But now some broadcaster or "analyst" is buddies with or worships A and doesn't want to admit he was outplayed, so he'll make up stuff like B 'choked" or A was "clutch" or "wanted it more" and unfortunately 50% or more of typical fans lap that BS right up and that's how false narratives are born and thrive. Which is how all-time greats like Manning and Rodgers get saddled with the "choker" tag.
Now this game. Reading from multiple sources including Patsfans.com, it appears about 90% of Brady's fans don't believe he could beat Mahomes on a neutral field with each team at full strength, which is why all the discussion is about not how Brady is better and should win for that reason but because the Bucs' O-Line and D-Line are both way better. Also I've seen mentioned that the thug Suh will likely try to get a dirty hit on Mahomes.
Least mentioned by mainstream analysts is that Brady has gotten a record number of DPI flags thrown for him, and the officiating crew assigned to this game is flag-happy. Yippy. So the way it will likely play out is that Mahomes will have a great day but Brady will have a flag-assisted game-winning drive. The Chiefs' banged-up O-Line will have multiple holding calls called at critical times.
Bucs 31-30
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Kansas City 31-20
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You're a big fan of Brady, huh? ;). (To Dream Team, who is already making excuses for Brady's success, before it even happens.)
So, question for the group: anyone watching the lead up to the game? Is anyone enjoying this? When Miley Cyrus and Joan Jett is the highlight (and it was a highlight), it can't be good. Even the interview with the President was basically Norah O'Donnell heaving softballs to Biden; that was more scripted than an episode of "Keeping Up With The Kardashians".
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I'll take KC 31-27
Pregame is pretty boring for sure...but I'd give Miley and Billy Idol the slight edge over Miley and Joan Jett thus far.
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I'll take KC 31-27
Pregame is pretty boring for sure...but I'd give Miley and Billy Idol the slight edge over Miley and Joan Jett thus far.
Dammit, I missed that (for the record, I stand by the statement that Miley's latest record is KILLER).
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Bucs 27, KC 24
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You're a big fan of Brady, huh? ;). (To Dream Team, who is already making excuses for Brady's success, before it even happens.)
So, question for the group: anyone watching the lead up to the game? Is anyone enjoying this? When Miley Cyrus and Joan Jett is the highlight (and it was a highlight), it can't be good. Even the interview with the President was basically Norah O'Donnell heaving softballs to Biden; that was more scripted than an episode of "Keeping Up With The Kardashians".
Pregame shows are the worst. I don’t understand how anyone can sit through them. All I need to to know is when the game starts and then I’ll tune in.
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You're a big fan of Brady, huh? ;). (To Dream Team, who is already making excuses for Brady's success, before it even happens.)
So, question for the group: anyone watching the lead up to the game? Is anyone enjoying this? When Miley Cyrus and Joan Jett is the highlight (and it was a highlight), it can't be good. Even the interview with the President was basically Norah O'Donnell heaving softballs to Biden; that was more scripted than an episode of "Keeping Up With The Kardashians".
Pregame shows are the worst. I don’t understand how anyone can sit through them. All I need to to know is when the game starts and then I’ll tune in.
I'm seriously thinking about ditching this and going to shovel snow. It's excruciating.
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I'm seriously thinking about ditching this and going to shovel snow. It's excruciating.
Got home from work a little after 4:00. My son loves to use the snow blower so we actually just came in. My driveway is done! It's still snowing a bit, but the big job is over at least.
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I always skip pregames. Sometimes I time it wrong like for SB48 when I missed the safety.
Three things that always make me misty-eyed:
1) When Spock dies in Wrath of Khan.
2) Those videos of soldiers returning home to surprise their families.
3) When hall of famers get the knock (or in the case of this year, the interruption) from David Baker.
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I was thinking of ditching it to shovel snow as well, then I remembered I live in California.
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Contrast that with the things that can fuck right off:
First on my list is the commercials involving the announcers (three already: Nantz and Burleson doing Pizza Hut, Simms and Esaiason doing GEICO, and Cowher and Brown doing TurboTax).
EDIT: Second, is "LeBron James/Michael Jordan" references.
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So, question for the group: anyone watching the lead up to the game? Is anyone enjoying this?
Starting at 9:00, I watched the Philadelphia Flyers at the Washington Capitals. Starting at noon, I watched the Vegas Golden Knights at the Los Angeles Kings. Somewhere in there, I made a quick run to the grocery store. It's now 2:50, and I'm watching an episode of Jeopardy from this past week and may watch a second before I switch over to CBS for the game.
I always skip pregames. Sometimes I time it wrong like for SB48 when I missed the safety.
I wish I had missed that entire game.
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I've been watching various horse racing matchups combined with a ton of Youtube vids about the last Wandavision episode trying to absorb all the conspiracy theories. I think we're on the game pretty much solo now, with only a few races left at Golden Gate Fields.
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Kansas City 31-20
That is exactly the score I settled on today.
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I'm sorry but...
Who the fuck is H.E.R.??
And who are these people singing the Anthem?
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This needs to go down in history has the biggest circle jerk I’ve ever watched on television
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:lol
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I'm sorry but...
Who the fuck is H.E.R.??
She is H.E.R.
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I thought it was great that she played guitar with her tits.
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Damn... What did I miss??
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Devon White is awesome!!
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Of course Hill drops a TD pass. Sigh.
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Of course Hill drops a TD pass. Sigh.
Tom Brady made it happen! ;D
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Nance is such a Brady shill...
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Brady to Gronk. I think I've seen that before.
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Brady to Gronk. I think I've seen that before.
:zydar:
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LOL another pick against KC overturned. Story of the game of course is Mahomes has no time and 2 big drops.
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Brady to Gronk. I think I've seen that before.
X2
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I'm sorry but...
Who the fuck is H.E.R.??
She is H.E.R.
She's actually pretty good. She was on SNL a couple weeks ago, and her second song KILLED it. It was REALLY good.
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Nance is such a Brady shill...
Sarcasm is supposed to be in green. ;). He can't even take us to commercial without saying Mahomes' name or referring to him in some fashion. I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure he credited the defensive stop to Mahomes.
By the way, Beavis and Butthead always make me laugh. "She said 'crack'."
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Nance is such a Brady shill...
Sarcasm is supposed to be in green. ;). He can't even take us to commercial without saying Mahomes' name or referring to him in some fashion. I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure he credited the defensive stop to Mahomes.
It just gets so tiresome listening to him constantly fellating Brady!
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Nance is such a Brady shill...
Sarcasm is supposed to be in green. ;). He can't even take us to commercial without saying Mahomes' name or referring to him in some fashion. I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure he credited the defensive stop to Mahomes.
It just gets so tiresome listening to him constantly fellating Brady!
Blows, doesn't it?
Devon White is awesome!!
He has really stood out to me in this playoff run.
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Uncatchable ball. This is a joke.
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Uncatchable ball. This is a joke.
And the sun rises in the east....
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Nance is such a Brady shill...
Sarcasm is supposed to be in green. ;). He can't even take us to commercial without saying Mahomes' name or referring to him in some fashion. I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure he credited the defensive stop to Mahomes.
It just gets so tiresome listening to him constantly fellating Brady!
Am I missing the joke?
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And Dream Team in 3....2.....
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Uncatchable ball. This is a joke.
.......
Uncatchable ball. This is a joke.
:lol
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Nance is such a Brady shill...
Sarcasm is supposed to be in green. ;). He can't even take us to commercial without saying Mahomes' name or referring to him in some fashion. I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure he credited the defensive stop to Mahomes.
It just gets so tiresome listening to him constantly fellating Brady!
Am I missing the joke?
:rollin
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Well I'm enjoying it. I should check in on Nick Wright. Lol
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What the hell is Matthieu(?) getting in Brady's face for? You are down 21-6 bro. And you aren't going to get in Brady's head.
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And you aren't going to get in Brady's head.
Unless your name is Nance!
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Ok, I never heard the Weekend, but I think it's safe to say he's better than at least Maroon Five so far (it's a pretty low standard, but still). By the looks of that room, it looks like you can get lost in it easily.
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What the hell is Matthieu(?) getting in Brady's face for? You are down 21-6 bro. And you aren't going to get in Brady's head.
Brady's in his, though. :) He was yelling at anyone that would stop in front of him on the sideline.
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Ok, I never heard the Weekend, but I think it's safe to say he's better than at least Maroon Five so far (it's a better low standard, but still). By the looks of that room, it looks like you can get lost in it easily.
This is a good show, so far, considering it's the NFL (therefore not even a hint of risk will be taken). At least he can sing.
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Andy Reid deserves that for calling those two time outs. What a horrible coaching decision.
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That was a fucking awesome halftime show!
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That was a fucking awesome halftime show!
I think I haven’t enjoyed a Halftime show in a while until this one. Not a fan of The Weekend but he delivered.
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I cashed in my futures bet yesterday (had $100 on the Bucs to win the NFC, won $375), and when I was there, I plunked down $100 on the Bucs +3 today. I think they are going to win and I am getting 3 points.
:corn :corn
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I cashed in my futures bet yesterday (had $100 on the Bucs to win the NFC, won $375), and when I was there, I plunked down $100 on the Bucs +3 today. I think they are going to win and I am getting 3 points.
:corn :corn
I think your bet is pretty safe.
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Uncatchable ball. This is a joke.
Seriously...is that not a thing anymore?
Also, I don't know who/what "The Weekend" is, but I had enough "zoom room" to fast forward through most of halftime. Another halftime show successfully avoided.
TB d-line is the MVP so far.
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I cashed in my futures bet yesterday (had $100 on the Bucs to win the NFC, won $375), and when I was there, I plunked down $100 on the Bucs +3 today. I think they are going to win and I am getting 3 points.
:corn :corn
I think your bet is pretty safe.
I think so. The Chiefs can score in buckets, but coming into this game, my thought process was that the Bucs would better in the trenches, which would be the difference, and it has been. Mahomes has had no time to throw all day. Yeah, the Chiefs have gotten jobbed badly on a few calls (big shock :lol), but they are getting outplayed. The bad calls are just making the score get out of hand quicker.
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Bucs play at New England next season. This will be Tom Brady when he walks up to Belichick to greet him...
(https://media.tenor.com/images/5eda42e8f0ff9dbee231ab4dea7b4687/tenor.gif)
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:lol
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Does CBS really think an Equalizer remake with Dana Owens as the lead is believable or in any way a good idea?!
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:lol
Btw, these refs are the only reason KC is down 19. Lol
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Also, this thing is over.
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:lol
Btw, these refs are the only reason KC is down 19. Lol
Spencer? :lol
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:rollin
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:lol
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Who's Spencer? I don't get it.
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Who's Spencer? I don't get it.
Silent. Perennial Brady hater because of his disturbing man-love of Rodgers.
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Who's Spencer? I don't get it.
Silent. Perennial Brady hater because of his disturbing man-love of Rodgers.
He means Splent...he got King'd there by his phone...
And what was that little reddit blip commercial? Gotta find a screen cap of that one.
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TB defensive front for MVP! Wow.
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Mahomes is gonna get ripped for this game, but there is no QB alive who would do well tonight under this much pressure the entire game. He has no chance on virtually every play.
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Who's Spencer? I don't get it.
Silent. Perennial Brady hater because of his disturbing man-love of Rodgers.
He means Splent...he got King'd there by his phone...
And what was that little reddit blip commercial? Gotta find a screen cap of that one.
I reversed my DVR to pause. Essentially, they spent their entire ad budget on a 5 second Super Bowl commercial because that's all it would give them. Was just simply telling you to use Reddit.
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This KC run defence is soft like shit on a hot summer night.
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Mahomes is gonna get ripped for this game, but there is no QB alive who would do well tonight under this much pressure the entire game. He has no chance on virtually every play.
This
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And what happened to Mila Kunis? She has been as cute as can be for as long as I can remember, yet all of a sudden looks old. Did she get some bad plastic surgery done or what?
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And what was that little reddit blip commercial? Gotta find a screen cap of that one.
They were banking on suckahs like you, man.
Brilliant move by them.
Mahomes is gonna get ripped for this game, but there is no QB alive who would do well tonight under this much pressure the entire game. He has no chance on virtually every play.
Well, there was pressure for sure, but the Bucs actually decided to defend Hill and Kelce. It seemed so obvious, yet no team ever does it.
And what happened to Mila Kunis? She has been as cute as can be for as long as I can remember, yet all of a sudden looks old. Did she get some bad plastic surgery done or what?
She was never all that great.
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Mahomes is gonna get ripped for this game, but there is no QB alive who would do well tonight under this much pressure the entire game. He has no chance on virtually every play.
This
He has two starting linemen out, his toe is all types of fucked up, and TB's line is playing at the highest caliber. He holds little culpability in this one, he's just outmatched.
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He has two starting linemen out, his toe is all types of fucked up, and TB's line is playing at the highest caliber. He holds little culpability in this one, he's just outmatched.
Agreed. Even on the plays where he runs around and buys time, almost no one is getting open. This game is a good example of why it is not always fair to judge QB's solely by wins and losses. History will look back and say, "Boy, Mahomes sucked in that one Super Bowl," but anyone with any objectivity who is watching this knows he has no chance.
But hey, if nothing else, this will silence that silly "Mahomes will be the GOAT one day" narrative, which has always been way too premature.
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But hey, if nothing else, this will silence that silly "Mahomes will be the GOAT one day" narrative, which has always been way too premature.
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And what happened to Mila Kunis? She has been as cute as can be for as long as I can remember, yet all of a sudden looks old. Did she get some bad plastic surgery done or what?
(https://i.postimg.cc/t4CjTzRZ/giphy-6.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
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Kansas City's Offensive line is non existent. And so is their defensive line....
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And what happened to Mila Kunis? She has been as cute as can be for as long as I can remember, yet all of a sudden looks old. Did she get some bad plastic surgery done or what?
She's not the only one; this is Jennifer Connolly, Courtney Cox, and Demi Moore, too. I don't know if it's pressure or insecurity or something else, but they start working out and they get rail thin and look gaunt and bony.
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And what happened to Mila Kunis? She has been as cute as can be for as long as I can remember, yet all of a sudden looks old. Did she get some bad plastic surgery done or what?
She's not the only one; this is Jennifer Connolly, Courtney Cox, and Demi Moore, too. I don't know if it's pressure or insecurity or something else, but they start working out and they get rail thin and look gaunt and bony.
It has to be tough to age as a female in Hollywood, as I have to think the starring roles dry up once you're not young and hot, unless you are a world class actress like Streep or Julianne Moore, but Kunis can probably keep collecting fat stacks by voice acting for as long as Family Guy keeps going.
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And what happened to Mila Kunis? She has been as cute as can be for as long as I can remember, yet all of a sudden looks old. Did she get some bad plastic surgery done or what?
She's not the only one; this is Jennifer Connolly, Courtney Cox, and Demi Moore, too. I don't know if it's pressure or insecurity or something else, but they start working out and they get rail thin and look gaunt and bony.
Funnily enough Ashton Kutcher has been or is currently married to half of the women mentioned here.
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He has two starting linemen out, his toe is all types of fucked up, and TB's line is playing at the highest caliber. He holds little culpability in this one, he's just outmatched.
Agreed. Even on the plays where he runs around and buys time, almost no one is getting open. This game is a good example of why it is not always fair to judge QB's solely by wins and losses. History will look back and say, "Boy, Mahomes sucked in that one Super Bowl," but anyone with any objectivity who is watching this knows he has no chance.
But hey, if nothing else, this will silence that silly "Mahomes will be the GOAT one day" narrative, which has always been way too premature.
But fair is fair; so many of those ridiculous stats they give about him aren't all him either. The comebacks, the never-losing by double digits, the never going three quarters without a TD pass... What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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She's not the only one; this is Jennifer Connolly,
Good call. When she started out I was like :omg:
Now, I don't even know who she is..
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I hate that kind of taunting. Play the game, finish it off, then celebrate.
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Courtney Cox has always been a boy though.
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Courtney Cox has always been a boy though.
Ummm...what?!
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Nick Wright, to his credit, is taking his medicine and giving full props to the Bucs on Twitter.
Meanwhile, I am an Andy Reid fan, but those timeouts late in the 2nd quarter were awful. Lets the Bucs run it out and go in to half down 14-6 and make some adjustments. Instead, you gave the Bucs extra time, there was that chicken shit PI call on an uncatchable ball, and boom it's 21-6 at the half. Game over.
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Courtney Cox has always been a boy though.
Ummm...what?!
Tim is known for having weird tastes, and it is not exclusive to music. Cox was adorably cute once we saw her on Family Ties through most of the Friends run (save that spell in the middle seasons when she and Aniston both got too thin).
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Courtney Cox has always been a boy though.
She had her moments on Friends, though.
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Does CBS really think an Equalizer remake with Dana Owens as the lead is believable or in any way a good idea?!
I'm not that familiar with what "The Equalizer" is, but I'm a Queen Latifah fan, so I may watch that.
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I hate that kind of taunting. Play the game, finish it off, then celebrate.
I generally agree......but I liked that one right there in that moment.
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He has two starting linemen out, his toe is all types of fucked up, and TB's line is playing at the highest caliber. He holds little culpability in this one, he's just outmatched.
Agreed. Even on the plays where he runs around and buys time, almost no one is getting open. This game is a good example of why it is not always fair to judge QB's solely by wins and losses. History will look back and say, "Boy, Mahomes sucked in that one Super Bowl," but anyone with any objectivity who is watching this knows he has no chance.
But hey, if nothing else, this will silence that silly "Mahomes will be the GOAT one day" narrative, which has always been way too premature.
Yeah, I didn't even mention TB's secondary, who are owning KC even more than they owned GB.
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Nick Wright, to his credit, is taking his medicine and giving full props to the Bucs on Twitter.
Who?
Courtney Cox has always been a boy though.
Ummm...what?!
Tim is known for having weird tastes, and it is not exclusive to music. Cox was adorably cute once we saw her on Family Ties through most of the Friends run (save that spell in the middle seasons when she and Aniston both got too thin).
Tim and me both, but Cox and Aniston were both too skinny for my taste for most of the run of Friends (give me Christina Hendricks and Kat Dennings any day), but Monica was always the hottest of the three female leads.
Does CBS really think an Equalizer remake with Dana Owens as the lead is believable or in any way a good idea?!
I'm not that familiar with what "The Equalizer" is, but I'm a Queen Latifah fan, so I may watch that.
The Equalizer was a show in the mid- to late-80s in which a former spy was a one man A-Team (helping those who couldn't help themselves). A 200+ pound woman) as a bad-ass ass kicker is not particularly believable.
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Third ever Super Bowl in which the losing team didn't score a touchdown.
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“One last indignity” — Jim Nance. :lol
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Jim Nantz is an indignity.
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Third ever Super Bowl in which the losing team didn't score a touchdown.
It's weird to think that the four most dominating defensive performances I have seen in the Super Bowl were by teams who were not one of those three.
'85 Bears (Patriots scored a TD in garbage time near the end)
'00 Ravens (Giants only score of the game was a kickoff return)
'02 Bucs (Raiders scored three TD's in the latter part of the game after falling behind by 30+)
'13 Seahawks (Broncos scored their only TD after falling behind 36-0)
This Bucs D won't be put on the same level as those above, but it's in that next tier of best defensive performances I've seen in a Super Bowl (along with the '01 Patriots, '18 Patriots and '07 Giants), when taking into account degree of difficulty.
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Jim Nantz is an indignity.
:lol
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Jim Nantz is an indignity.
Enjoy the trophy presentation. :)
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Brady always has an easy path.
Brees
Rodgers
Mahomes
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Not a very exciting game if you didn’t have a dog in the fight.
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Brady always has an easy path.
Brees
Rodgers
Mahomes
Tom wasn’t the reason Tampa won.
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Jim Nantz is an indignity.
Enjoy the trophy presentation. :)
Even Brady is like "shut the hell up."
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Man you are missing the point. I'll let you figure that out.
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(https://i.imgflip.com/4x4dsu.jpg)
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And what happened to Mila Kunis? She has been as cute as can be for as long as I can remember, yet all of a sudden looks old.
She's 37.
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Over time, I think makeup does a job on people's skin.
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Painted (part of) the bedroom, shoveled snow, made a great meatloaf for a late lunch, had a couple Moscow Mules while watching the GOAT put on a clinic, and the bubble come (slightly, maybe) back to earth a bit, and now back out to finish off the driveway. All in all a good day.
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And what happened to Mila Kunis? She has been as cute as can be for as long as I can remember, yet all of a sudden looks old.
She's 37.
That's not old.
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And what happened to Mila Kunis? She has been as cute as can be for as long as I can remember, yet all of a sudden looks old.
She's 37.
That's not old.
No it's not old.
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And what happened to Mila Kunis? She has been as cute as can be for as long as I can remember, yet all of a sudden looks old.
She's 37.
That's not old.
Yeah, I am not going to pile on here, as it will sound mean, but I am just surprised by how much she has aged recently considering she is still pretty young. I know she has had a couple kids and that often takes a toll.
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And what happened to Mila Kunis? She has been as cute as can be for as long as I can remember, yet all of a sudden looks old.
She's 37.
That's not old.
It's not young, and is old enough that you would expect someone to have visible signs of aging, especially in the face.
Fun fact: the first episode of "That 70s show" is further in the past than the setting of the show was relative to the air date of the first series.
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I loved That 70's Show!
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To say I am beyond elated is an understatement. I'm sure it was an underwhelming and boring game for those without a team to root for, but man was it sweet as a fan. Can't believe the defense shut out Mahomes and had him running for his life almost the entire time.
I should say I'm surprised with the win but I guess I'm not. Going to enjoy this win for now before the city and team become an obscurity again.
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Thank you Tom and thank you superbowl coin for my extra money. As a Tampa fan for the majority of my life this was fun to watch.
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Was there some sort of special camera on the field after the game during the hand shakes and such? Those shots looked different somehow I cannot explain.
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Was there some sort of special camera on the field after the game during the hand shakes and such? Those shots looked different somehow I cannot explain.
Those are new 8k cameras (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2021/1/10/22223552/nfl-2021-playoffs-8k-camera-aaron-donald-video) used in the NLF this year.
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That was Mila Kunis? Holy fuck. I didn't even recognizer her, and she's been on my hottest woman alive list for quite some time. Her face is definitely gaunt, and the slick hair doesn't help much. I suspect she could still be plenty hot when she's not doing adverts for Cheetos, but that's an awful look for her.
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No idea what anyone is talking about so went to the YT, found a video entitled "Cheetos Super Bowl Commercial 2021 Mila Kunis, Ashton Kutcher, Shaggy - It Wasn't Me" Was legit expecting Shaggy from Scooby Doo.
Wayne's World was never funny.
Falcons fans are all "So, they had a 28-9 lead in the 3rd, and managed to hold on and win... huh."
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I don't hate Tom Brady, I'm just tired of always seeing his stupid face.
The KC defense really blew it but I have to say the refs were worse. They didn't let them play and they for sure called stuff on KC that they "missed" when TB did similar things.
Shocking to see how inept the KC offense was but I think it would have worked out if the defense didn't keep getting penalized. But the many drops where it hit the guys right in the face were inexcusable. KC needed a play and it was right there a few times and *pfft*.
I wonder how hurt PM really was. I'm sure his head was clear but his foot was probably killing him. I wouldn't be surprised if he has off-season surgery on it.
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I hate that kind of taunting. Play the game, finish it off, then celebrate.
I generally agree......but I liked that one right there in that moment.
It was a really dumb penalty. He could have laughed at him and made his peace sign 10 feet away, and there would have been no flag. Standing over him and getting in his face to do it while he was down on the ground was unnecessary and should have been obvious flag-bait.
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I hate that kind of taunting. Play the game, finish it off, then celebrate.
I generally agree......but I liked that one right there in that moment.
It was a really dumb penalty. He could have laughed at him and made his peace sign 10 feet away, and there would have been no flag. Standing over him and getting in his face to do it while he was down on the ground was unnecessary and should have been obvious flag-bait.
I think it was a semi-payback on Tyreek Hill from the previous meeting between the two when Hill dominated the defense, it was his celebration move that Winfield was mocking back at him. I think he did because it was late in the game and at that point it didn't matter much. I thought it was hilarious. Of course though, I could be biased.
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I wonder how hurt PM really was. I'm sure his head was clear but his foot was probably killing him. I wouldn't be surprised if he has off-season surgery on it.
I thought it was already announced that he would be having surgery?
Not a very exciting game if you didn’t have a dog in the fight.
Pretty much.
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Love the new thread title!
It was apparent last night, but watching the highlights this morning, it's even more evident.. To me I thought Mahomes played pretty damn good. He made some ridiculous throws on the run that his receivers really should've bailed him out on. Mahomes shouldn't be taking heat for this loss. He was the only guy on offense that came to play.
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He was running for his life. Kelce did have over 100 yards but it was a quiet 133 yard. That's hard to believe but a lot was in the 4th quarter.
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Love the new thread title!
It was apparent last night, but watching the highlights this morning, it's even more evident.. To me I thought Mahomes played pretty damn good. He made some ridiculous throws on the run that his receivers really should've bailed him out on. Mahomes shouldn't be taking heat for this loss. He was the only guy on offense that came to play.
The O-line did him no favours, especially being on a hobbled toe.
Looking back on some of those penalties, they were pretty bad calls. Brady should've had an offsetting unsportsmanlike for his exchange with Mathieu, and the second PI that put them at the 1 was PI sure... but a completely uncatchable throw - the same can be argued for the previous PI call. Still, I blame Reid mostly for those two completely ridonkulous time-outs. You give the GOAT an extra 50 seconds when the team has already scored in the final 2 mins of 1H in the three previous playoff games?!?!?!
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And what happened to Mila Kunis? She has been as cute as can be for as long as I can remember, yet all of a sudden looks old.
She's 37.
That's not old.
Yeah, I am not going to pile on here, as it will sound mean, but I am just surprised by how much she has aged recently considering she is still pretty young. I know she has had a couple kids and that often takes a toll.
It does, but it's manageable, especially for one with relatively unlimited resources, partners with a vested interest, and a personal vested interest in maintainence. I'm not suggesting she SHOULD do anything, certainly not surgically - I saw Gwen Stefani in a commercial with Blake Shelton, and she's had so many fillers she's not even passably attractive at this point; she looks like a beaver (literally; there's no pun or innuendo there). My wife is 47 this year, and whether she's "hotter" than Mila Kunis or not is up to personal taste (I think she is, but that's me, and no, she's not reading this to my knowledge), but she looks better FOR HER AGE than Mila does.
It's an odd thing, and not being a woman, I guess it's hard to fully understand, but there's this dichotomy where we're embracing "full figured" (and probably taking that to an extreme the other way) and embracing "fit", and taking it to an extreme. Adele has lost weight, as has both Rebel Wilson and Dana Owens, and they look great. When you can count bones, that's probably going too far, even if just from a health perspective. Seems like the real enemy here is moderation more than anything else.
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Look, I don't know who to reply to directly, but all the excuses in the world don't change the fact that at the end of the day, the best "athlete" doesn't necessarily win the most games. We can go back and parse each of the TEN Super Bowls that Brady was in and come up with calls that went for him, and calls that went against him. The end of the day, in 20 years in the league, he's been in the Super Bowl HALF the time. He's personally got more Super Bowl wins than any ORGANIZATION in the league. Steve Spagnola is no slouch; he's done it before, battling and beating Brady in the Super Bowl, but he couldn't dial it up this time. Brady out-gamed him. I'm no Todd Bowles fan (the idea that Arians would step aside and let him take over; if I'm a Bucs fan, I'm screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! like Luke Skywalker!) but he outgamed Eric Bieniemy. He's known for being a blitzer, and he blitzed, what, five times, max?
Patrick Mahomes is a superb athlete; that sidearm throw from the sideline, even though it fell incomplete, was one of the best throws I've ever seen. It fell incomplete. At some point, though, the game has to be played; this is certainly NOT the first time that a superb athlete has been on the losing side of a strategic encounter. This is, frankly, how Bill Belichick has made his name over the years; his stock in trade is beating superb and in many cases superior athletes with superior execution and a superior game plan. I think Nick Burleson said it best (and I'm paraphrasing): "I would never call an NFL team "soft", especially not in a game like this, but one team came out far more aggresive and tough, from the opening whistle until the confetti fell, and that's why they won this game". I think that's right. Penalties or no penalties, Mathieu was defeated about midway through the second quarter.
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So I watched the commercial to see what the fuss was about. I'm honestly kinda bothered by the shade thrown at her here. Sure, she's thin af, but I'd hardly say that she's aged poorly. IMO, Kucher looks just as "bad"... he's rather pasty looking, and caked with TV makeup.
Plus, it's a dumbass commercial.
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My wife's former student, who regularly returns to visit her in the offseason, #76 Donovan Smith for Tampa, is now a Super Bowl champion. He's a good dude and I am happy for him. Other than that, I couldn't have had less of a dog in this fight. But I was entertained.
Also, Mila Kunis is still incredibly attractive, I don't care how "old, skinny, or whatever" she has become. People age. I'm certainly not aging as gracefully as she seems to be, so whatever. I've always thought she was cute as fuck, and that's still true.
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So I watched the commercial to see what the fuss was about. I'm honestly kinda bothered by the shade thrown at her here. Sure, she's thin af, but I'd hardly say that she's aged poorly. IMO, Kucher looks just as "bad"... he's rather pasty looking, and caked with TV makeup.
Plus, it's a dumbass commercial.
She didn't look bad at all. I don't get it either.
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I hate that kind of taunting. Play the game, finish it off, then celebrate.
I generally agree......but I liked that one right there in that moment.
It was a really dumb penalty. He could have laughed at him and made his peace sign 10 feet away, and there would have been no flag. Standing over him and getting in his face to do it while he was down on the ground was unnecessary and should have been obvious flag-bait.
I think it was a semi-payback on Tyreek Hill from the previous meeting between the two when Hill dominated the defense, it was his celebration move that Winfield was mocking back at him. I think he did because it was late in the game and at that point it didn't matter much. I thought it was hilarious. Of course though, I could be biased.
No, I get all that. I'm just saying it was dumb to get right in Hill's face. He could have done the exact same thing from 10 feet back, and probably no flag.
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Patrick Mahomes is a superb athlete; that sidearm throw from the sideline, even though it fell incomplete, was one of the best throws I've ever seen. It fell incomplete.
That should've been a catch.
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Patrick Mahomes is a superb athlete; that sidearm throw from the sideline, even though it fell incomplete, was one of the best throws I've ever seen. It fell incomplete.
That should've been a catch.
He was out of bounds. It was amazing just a foot off.
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Patrick Mahomes is a superb athlete; that sidearm throw from the sideline, even though it fell incomplete, was one of the best throws I've ever seen. It fell incomplete.
That should've been a catch.
He was out of bounds. It was amazing just a foot off.
No, that was the corner throw to Pringle where he spun around and chucked it. Wasn't the sidearm throw to Hill?
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I think there were a more than a couple of incredible throws by Mahomes while being chased by 1,000 lbs from every which way. The superman one is probably the one being referred to where it hits the other guy in the facemask which probably could've been caught.
I don't know if this is the direct link
https://www.nfl.com/games/chiefs-at-buccaneers-2020-post-4 (https://www.nfl.com/games/chiefs-at-buccaneers-2020-post-4)
It's the one titled
"Bucs break up Mahomes' unreal fourth-and-9 heave for turnover on downs"
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I didn't catch the game except for the odd play here and there in between shoveling snow, and every time I came in Mahomes had the ball. I must have seen half a dozen plays where he just barely avoided getting sacked, but managed to hit the receiver in the hands and still end up with an incomplete pass. So from the little bit I saw and from the post-game analysis I've been reading, the blame for this loss -at least a sizeable portion of it- can be laid at the feet of Mahome's pass receivers. I mean, if you're hitting your receivers in the face with the ball every freaking time and they drop it, that's not on you. He got robbed by his own teammates.
I'm from Boston and even I'm sick of Tom Brady :lol I was kind of rooting against him, thinking it would be cool if Mahomes could pull off a repeat but also beating the best quarterback in 50 years on his home field would have been an ultra-sweet victory for that kid and would have launched him into the stratosphere in terms of accomplishments. Instead his team was kind of dominated by Tampa Bay.
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My wife's former student, who regularly returns to visit her in the offseason, #76 Donovan Smith for Tampa, is now a Super Bowl champion. He's a good dude and I am happy for him. Other than that, I couldn't have had less of a dog in this fight. But I was entertained.
Would that be Owings Mills HS?
I noticed that the Chiefs were 0-6 inside the 30 as to TDs. That was key.
Timing is everything. The Bucs were healthy, took advantage of bone headed mistakes by their opponents, didn't shoot themselves in the foot, and played old school smash mouth football for the past couple of months. The Chiefs had a JV offensive line, and couldn't get out of their own way on too many occasions. ST were a disaster other than Butker.
Such is the Not (always) Fair League.
Geez.....the Lightning, the Bucs, and the Rays (almost). Good thing they don't have the NBA in that region.
The elephant in the room....all the pre and post game unmasked gatherings :facepalm:
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Oh yeah, even though she has aged a bit, Mila still looked good for sure! And the thread title here is mostly in jest. Just harmless fun.
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Oh yeah, even though she has aged a bit, Mila still looked good for sure! And the thread title here is mostly in jest. Just harmless fun.
I got no prob with the thread title... the fact it was even brought up in the first place is my wtf?
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Geez.....the Lightning, the Bucs, and the Rays (almost). Good thing they don't have the NBA in that region.
But this year...they do!
Watch the Tampa Bay Raptors go on a run!
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Where would Tom Brady be if the “tuck rule” never happened?
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So I watched the commercial to see what the fuss was about. I'm honestly kinda bothered by the shade thrown at her here. Sure, she's thin af, but I'd hardly say that she's aged poorly. IMO, Kucher looks just as "bad"... he's rather pasty looking, and caked with TV makeup.
Plus, it's a dumbass commercial.
I'm laughing because the game must've been that boring that all I see is Mila Kunis on here. And on Facebook, it's all the Streak Guy.
No mention of the game at all... :lol
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Exactly, the game was crap from a competitive standpoint, and we gotta talk about something, so there we go.
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Geez.....the Lightning, the Bucs, and the Rays (almost). Good thing they don't have the NBA in that region.
But this year...they do!
Watch the Tampa Bay Raptors go on a run!
YEAH!!! Let's watch that!!!!
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I hate that kind of taunting. Play the game, finish it off, then celebrate.
I generally agree......but I liked that one right there in that moment.
This is why I loved that 'taunting' penalty. In the game they played this season Hill flashed that sign and then did a freaking backflip into the end zone....in a game that really didn't 'mean' all that much. It's always great to see Karma take a nice bite out of cocky players.
(https://i.imgur.com/oGT2ZqM.jpg)
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Where would Tom Brady be if the “tuck rule” never happened?
One ring lighter and still the GOAT.
The better question is where would he be if the Patriots hadn't drafted him when they did. I think there's a decent chance none of us have ever heard of him. Certainly there's a very real chance he never got off the bench in Washington or San Diego.
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This was a textbook football game in that it was won/lost in the trenches. The biggest concern for KC was being down 3 offensive lineman which allowed Tampa to pressure Mahomes with 4 linemen which was the difference.
Also, I HATED the way the first half ended because I was left thinking - The GOAT was helped by the referees - AGAIN! Trust me, I don't want to feel that way but I will always have an asterisk in my head next to TB12's name. I turned the game off once they went up two scores right before the half.
Also, how hard is it to put a referee in the skybox to help with some of those calls? :yeahright
Suh us a beast!
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Where would Tom Brady be if the “tuck rule” never happened?
One ring lighter and still the GOAT.
The better question is where would he be if the Patriots hadn't drafted him when they did. I think there's a decent chance none of us have ever heard of him. Certainly there's a very real chance he never got off the bench in Washington or San Diego.
And he wasn't even picked in the first few rounds, I think it wasn't until the 6th round that he got picked. And then Bledsoe (Drewcilla we used to call him) got hurt *again* and Brady came in to a pivotal game at a pivotal time and, well, the rest is history. Until someone else puts up the numbers he's put up (and he's not done yet, either) he has to be considered the GOAT. And that really gets my goat because he's kind of a tool and I've never liked him. There is an arrogance about him that I find very grating. But I fully recognize and respect -hell even admire- his accomplishments.
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Drew's abdomen was filling with blood from that hit from Mo Lewis. He had a torn blood vessel behind his chest that was gushing out blood. It was extremely serious. Thankfully, the doctors on the sidelines recognized that something was wrong and rushed him to a hospital.
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Until someone else puts up the numbers he's put up (and he's not done yet, either) he has to be considered the GOAT. And that really gets my goat because he's kind of a tool and I've never liked him. There is an arrogance about him that I find very grating. But I fully recognize and respect -hell even admire- his accomplishments.
My exact sentiments. Can't really stand the guy but I don't think there is a real argument that can be made against about what he's accomplished.....or that he is the G.O.A.T. People can hate him all they want but it doesn't change what he's accomplished and the fact that he's the greatest QB to play the game.
There are others that are more physically talented and athletic.....but they lack what TB has where it counts....Championships.
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Patrick Mahomes is a superb athlete; that sidearm throw from the sideline, even though it fell incomplete, was one of the best throws I've ever seen.
Dude.. Forgot about that one... That shit was amazing. It wasn't that he got it off and it was on target, but it had some serious zip to it with nothing but arm, off balance and under insane pressure. If that had been completed, it would have been a highlight forever.
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Would that be Owings Mills HS?
Yes. She's been there for 16 years.
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I think there were a more than a couple of incredible throws by Mahomes while being chased by 1,000 lbs from every which way. The superman one is probably the one being referred to where it hits the other guy in the facemask which probably could've been caught.
I don't know if this is the direct link
https://www.nfl.com/games/chiefs-at-buccaneers-2020-post-4 (https://www.nfl.com/games/chiefs-at-buccaneers-2020-post-4)
It's the one titled
"Bucs break up Mahomes' unreal fourth-and-9 heave for turnover on downs"
That's the one to which I was referring. Great throw. Nothing to show for it (and in my opinion, that was well defended; there was no high probability shot of that being caught).
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Until someone else puts up the numbers he's put up (and he's not done yet, either) he has to be considered the GOAT. And that really gets my goat because he's kind of a tool and I've never liked him. There is an arrogance about him that I find very grating. But I fully recognize and respect -hell even admire- his accomplishments.
My exact sentiments. Can't really stand the guy but I don't think there is a real argument that can be made against about what he's accomplished.....or that he is the G.O.A.T. People can hate him all they want but it doesn't change what he's accomplished and the fact that he's the greatest QB to play the game.
There are others that are more physically talented and athletic.....but they lack what TB has where it counts....Championships.
For the life of me, I get some of the criticisms - the TB12, the lifestyle shit, the model wife - but I just don't see "dick". He's magnanimous to his teammates, he rarely barks at them in the huddle (contrast with Marino and Rivers that had no problem screaming at a receiver for dropping their pass). He does the "first down" thing once in a while, but he's mainly all business on the field... compare him to the dudes that celebrate every touchdown as if it was the liberation of the moon. The guy's work ethic is through the roof. I would think that most of these things we would value and wish there was more of. Maybe that's just me.
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^^ I think in the case of Tom Brady and what he has accomplished, I think that arrogance can be mistaken for having a high level of confidence and having a great understanding of where he stands in his abilities and in his teammates to get the job done and, honestly, you want that in a player, especially a franchise player.
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Mahomes getting pounded was the tone the Bucs defense set, I'll always remember this play the most how he got sandwiched between three guys. In spite of the pressure, I agree that he actually played a lot better than what the numbers dictate.
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I think in the case of Tom Brady and what he has accomplished, I think that arrogance can be mistaken for having a high level of confidence and having a great understanding of where he stands in his abilities and in his teammates to get the job done and, honestly, you want that in a player, especially a franchise player.
That's completely fair. I get it. For me it's all about how he comes across 'to me'. I've heard the stories about what a great teammate he is....his preparation.....etc etc. It's just the way he comes across to me that I can't get past.
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Until someone else puts up the numbers he's put up (and he's not done yet, either) he has to be considered the GOAT. And that really gets my goat because he's kind of a tool and I've never liked him. There is an arrogance about him that I find very grating. But I fully recognize and respect -hell even admire- his accomplishments.
My exact sentiments. Can't really stand the guy but I don't think there is a real argument that can be made against about what he's accomplished.....or that he is the G.O.A.T. People can hate him all they want but it doesn't change what he's accomplished and the fact that he's the greatest QB to play the game.
There are others that are more physically talented and athletic.....but they lack what TB has where it counts....Championships.
For the life of me, I get some of the criticisms - the TB12, the lifestyle shit, the model wife - but I just don't see "dick". He's magnanimous to his teammates, he rarely barks at them in the huddle (contrast with Marino and Rivers that had no problem screaming at a receiver for dropping their pass). He does the "first down" thing once in a while, but he's mainly all business on the field... compare him to the dudes that celebrate every touchdown as if it was the liberation of the moon. The guy's work ethic is through the roof. I would think that most of these things we would value and wish there was more of. Maybe that's just me.
Experiencing him week to week all these years, I've never found him to be a dick. I don't deny he could be one when he needs to be. And his view of his self worth has certainly grown over the past half decade.
But to me, it's the reactions and the respect, not only by his teammates, but of opposing players that defines him more than a dude on the couch "thinking" he's a dick.
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Mahomes getting pounded was the tone the Bucs defense set, I'll always remember this play the most how he got sandwiched between three guys. In spite of the pressure, I agree that he actually played a lot better than what the numbers dictate.
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Yup, I agree.
Is that the play where Su got flagged? I vocally disagreed with that call, and my son asked me why in the world I would defend Su. :lol I explained to him that it did make me feel kinda dirty giving him the benefit of the doubt. :lol And I have to concede 2 things: (1) that type of hit does get called on the defense with some regularity, so it isn't an "unfair" call by any means, and (2) in real time, on the field, I have no doubt that it could look like an illegal hit, and I get that the league wants to give the benefit of the doubt to the QB on those. But that said, and as the replay confirmed to me, Su didn't really deliver a hard hit at all. Granted, he wasn't holding up. But he also wasn't headhunting either. The impact was what it was because Mahomes got hit from behind, which propelled him right into Su's helmet. Yes, Su is who he is. And the other two factors I mentioned above are definitely in play. So I get the call. But if I'm the coach watching tape of that with Su afterward, I tell him, "Don't worry about it. You didn't really do anything wrong on that play."
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If that was me, I'd still be down.
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What a weird postseason, not a single game with 4th quarter drama. Congrats to Bucs fans I guess, the number of which I assume has doubled in the past year purely by coincidence I’m sure.
I nailed most of my prediction including TB 31, except the flag-assisted score came at the end of the first half and asshole receiver drops kept KC’s point total down. Brady played well, made mostly really easy throws from a clean pocket. Pressure rate difference the highest in SB history. Would love to see the game if the QBs switched teams. Reid exposed badly, zero adjustments. Mahomes a warrior playing 1 on 11 football, or 1 on 22 I guess and making absolutely ludicrous throws. Ran a total of 497 yards avoiding the pass rush on a foot that needs surgery. Brady’s brainpower in selecting Tampa cannot be overstated. What a stacked team. More proof games are usually won in the trenches.
Why oh why can’t we ever have a Super Bowl without without obvious penalty discrepancy controversy? Really detracts from the product the NFL is trying to put out there. Bucs likely win without any of those flags being thrown. However that overturned int because of the tricky-tack hold was a huge swing point in the game.
Reid now has to honestly assess his roster, Mahomes has been masking a lot of deficiencies. His “weapons” were exposed as well as Kelce is the only reliable guy. Hill is drop-prone and neutralized by a strong pass rush preventing long routes from developing.
I know everybody is comparing Brady to Jordan now, but Jordan being 6-0 in finals and having to play defense too gives him the edge still IMO. Brady still great of course, and being driven and committed at this age is his biggest edge. Wonder how his teammates feel about it always being about him? D was the MVP.
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On the topic of GOAT of GOATs ... who is the (mostly) undisputed GOAT in Baseball. I mean, people can argue it all they want in football, but I'm not sure how anyone can't conceded that it's Brady. Basketball? Jordan or Lebron argument still exists. Hockey? Gretz, and it ain't even close. No one not named Don Cherry legitimately feels otherwise. But in baseball... who is it? Give me two names even. I'm willing to bet we'd see a dozen different combinations of names.
Take it to the MLB thread if need be.
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Babe Ruth.
I never saw Jordan or LeBron play, but I have seen Gretzky play. I was playing hockey regularly at that time, and (thought I) knew the game. I was sitting up in the 300's at the Hartford Civic Center, and so I could see the whole ice pretty clearly. There were times when I simply could not understand what he was doing on the ice, and yet, seconds later, the play was in front of him, he had the puck and was basically "running" the game. I've never seen anything like it, frankly, and for that I think he changed the game.
I think given what came before, Babe Ruth did the same thing. When he hit 29 homers in 1919, it was more than the league leaders in the TWO PREVIOUS seasons combined. When he hit 54 the following year, it was more than the last THREE years combined, including his, and the last SIX years if you don't include his. When he hit 29, the NL leader hit 12. When he hit 54, the NL leader hit 15. Add to that his average, AND the fact that he was an All-Star pitcher (two time 20-game winner, 3-0 in World Series, with an 0.87 ERA), and I think people have been playing catch up to him for decades.
My second: Joe DiMaggio.
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I know everybody is comparing Brady to Jordan now, but Jordan being 6-0 in finals and having to play defense too gives him the edge still IMO. Brady still great of course, and being driven and committed at this age is his biggest edge. Wonder how his teammates feel about it always being about him? D was the MVP.
Shouldn't affect them much. They got what they wanted. They get paid big money and now they have a Super Bowl Championship on top of it. I don't think media attention, in any way, should affect the team atmosphere since media is always trying their best to twist things to get the eyeballs on them (which apparently on ESPN they always talk about Brady and Lebron. No matter what).
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I know everybody is comparing Brady to Jordan now, but Jordan being 6-0 in finals and having to play defense too gives him the edge still IMO. Brady still great of course, and being driven and committed at this age is his biggest edge. Wonder how his teammates feel about it always being about him? D was the MVP.
Shouldn't affect them much. They got what they wanted. They get paid big money and now they have a Super Bowl Championship on top of it. I don't think media attention, in any way, should affect the team atmosphere since media is always trying their best to twist things to get the eyeballs on them (which apparently on ESPN they always talk about Brady and Lebron. No matter what).
I've not done extensive research on this stuff, but I am familiar with Lawrence Taylor on the Giants, and almost all his teammates - including Phil Simms, who took more shit from Parcells than any three people on the team, all the while Taylor was doing blow and cavorting with hookers - say they are in some form or fashion, grateful for having played with them. I don't know for a fact, but I think after a certain point, the personal jealousies go out the window, and a rising tide raises all boats. I can't say that's the same for everyone - people leave the team all the time for their own reasons, some of which are most certainly that kind of jealousy - but generally.
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What a weird postseason, not a single game with 4th quarter drama. Congrats to Bucs fans I guess, the number of which I assume has doubled in the past year purely by coincidence I’m sure.
I nailed most of my prediction including TB 31, except the flag-assisted score came at the end of the first half and asshole receiver drops kept KC’s point total down. Brady played well, made mostly really easy throws from a clean pocket. Pressure rate difference the highest in SB history. Would love to see the game if the QBs switched teams. Reid exposed badly, zero adjustments. Mahomes a warrior playing 1 on 11 football, or 1 on 22 I guess and making absolutely ludicrous throws. Ran a total of 497 yards avoiding the pass rush on a foot that needs surgery. Brady’s brainpower in selecting Tampa cannot be overstated. What a stacked team. More proof games are usually won in the trenches.
Why oh why can’t we ever have a Super Bowl without without obvious penalty discrepancy controversy? Really detracts from the product the NFL is trying to put out there. Bucs likely win without any of those flags being thrown. However that overturned int because of the tricky-tack hold was a huge swing point in the game.
Reid now has to honestly assess his roster, Mahomes has been masking a lot of deficiencies. His “weapons” were exposed as well as Kelce is the only reliable guy. Hill is drop-prone and neutralized by a strong pass rush preventing long routes from developing.
I know everybody is comparing Brady to Jordan now, but Jordan being 6-0 in finals and having to play defense too gives him the edge still IMO. Brady still great of course, and being driven and committed at this age is his biggest edge. Wonder how his teammates feel about it always being about him? D was the MVP.
I'm not sure how anyone could say there was a "penalty discrepancy controversy," unless they had an ax to grind. There was a "discrepancy" for sure. But only because KC kept committing dumb penalties that hurt them. No controversy.
And KC did not have a problem with his receivers being overly drop-prone either. Yes, passes were dropped. But most of those were on plays that had good coverage where the passes were contested if not tipped by the defenders, and the pressure on Mahomes resulted in far less than perfect passes. It's not like Mahomes was sitting back throwing perfect touch passes to wide open guys who were just dropping them for no reason.
Anyhow, for something we will probably NOT disagree on related to game day: Got up early yesterday and started an 8-hour low and slow no a pork shoulder. For the game, had that with my wife's awesome homemade slaw, some homemade jalapeno poppers, and other snacks. It was a great food day. Just finished some leftovers for lunch.
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Damn some of you for making me defend Tom Brady, but I've never gotten the arrogant dick vibe from him. He is hyper competitive and expects the most out of everyone around him, and yeah he can be kind of sore loser on the rare occasions when he loses in the playoffs :lol, but you always hear almost nothing but glowing praise of him from ex-teammates and ex-coaches. To me, if you are still arguing against him, you are either a massive hater or utterly clueless. His greatness is more than obvious at this point.
As for the GOAT of all sports, I don't think it makes sense to compare those from team sports to those in individual ones, so when looking at just team sport goats, I'd have to put Brady ahead of Jerry Rice now in football and in the number 2 slot in the all-time team sports GOAT convo. Gretzky is still number 1 by a wide margin in my book. Some will still say Jordan is number 1, but I am not sure he is even number 1 in his own sport anymore, much less overall.
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On the topic of GOAT of GOATs ... who is the (mostly) undisputed GOAT in Baseball. I mean, people can argue it all they want in football, but I'm not sure how anyone can't conceded that it's Brady. Basketball? Jordan or Lebron argument still exists. Hockey? Gretz, and it ain't even close. No one not named Don Cherry legitimately feels otherwise. But in baseball... who is it? Give me two names even. I'm willing to bet we'd see a dozen different combinations of names.
Take it to the MLB thread if need be.
For me, it's Hank Aaron, but you're right. It's not even remotely beyond argument. Some, like Stadler, say Babe Ruth and point to the fact that he was the best pitcher in the game before becoming the best hitter. I don't think you'll getting a ton of folks putting DiMaggio in the conversation, but you will get a lot of folks arguing for Willie Mays. You'll even get some Barry Bonds votes. The biggest problem with baseball is comparing pitchers to non-pitchers.
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Baseball has maybe changed more in the past 100 than the other major sports. Though I recall hearing once that in 1950 the general consensus for greatest player of all time was Ty Cobb, and in 2000 it was Ruth. I cannot say what people in 1950 were thinking about MLB's GOAT, but if remotely accurate, it can show how perceptions can change over time.
On topic... just saw/heard the clip of the dude who crashed the field. I didn't know about that till just now. Kevin Harlan calls dudes crashing the field better than any sportscaster calls anything.
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Rumor has it the guy who ran onto the field put money down on whether or not someone would run onto the field.
Bold.
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Rumor has it the guy who ran onto the field put money down on whether or not someone would run onto the field.
Bold.
Yep - he made a LOT of money!
He was also advertising for a friend who owns a porn site. :tup
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Baseball has maybe changed more in the past 100 than the other major sports. Though I recall hearing once that in 1950 the general consensus for greatest player of all time was Ty Cobb, and in 2000 it was Ruth. I cannot say what people in 1950 were thinking about MLB's GOAT, but if remotely accurate, it can show how perceptions can change over time.
On topic... just saw/heard the clip of the dude who crashed the field. I didn't know about that till just now. Kevin Harlan calls dudes crashing the field better than any sportscaster calls anything.
If it's the guy I'm thinking of, I heard that too; it was great. "Put some pants on, man!!!"
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On the topic of GOAT of GOATs ... who is the (mostly) undisputed GOAT in Baseball. I mean, people can argue it all they want in football, but I'm not sure how anyone can't conceded that it's Brady. Basketball? Jordan or Lebron argument still exists. Hockey? Gretz, and it ain't even close. No one not named Don Cherry legitimately feels otherwise. But in baseball... who is it? Give me two names even. I'm willing to bet we'd see a dozen different combinations of names.
Take it to the MLB thread if need be.
For me, it's Hank Aaron, but you're right. It's not even remotely beyond argument. Some, like Stadler, say Babe Ruth and point to the fact that he was the best pitcher in the game before becoming the best hitter. I don't think you'll getting a ton of folks putting DiMaggio in the conversation, but you will get a lot of folks arguing for Willie Mays. You'll even get some Barry Bonds votes. The biggest problem with baseball is comparing pitchers to non-pitchers.
I tried to set up my vote for The Babe with the Gretzky story. There are hundreds of truly great, top shelf players in all four major sports leagues throughout their history, but only a handful in each that legit changed the game for generations, or were so far ahead that others couldn't really change the game because they couldn't do what that "great" could do. I have yet to see a hockey player dominate a game like Gretzky, even when he was off the puck, hell, even when he was off the ICE (teams used to game their line changes to take advantage of time when Gretzky was off the ice). I certainly do not question The Hammer's bona fides, and I'm sure there's an argument that he did all that under conditions that most other players didn't have to endure. But there hasn't been a player that advanced the statistics of the MLB game like Ruth did. He didn't just set records, he set entirely new standards. And he was, to my knowledge, the last to dominate all phases of the game at the major league level.
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I tried to set up my vote for The Babe with the Gretzky story. There are hundreds of truly great, top shelf players in all four major sports leagues throughout their history, but only a handful in each that legit changed the game for generations, or were so far ahead that others couldn't really change the game because they couldn't do what that "great" could do. I have yet to see a hockey player dominate a game like Gretzky, even when he was off the puck, hell, even when he was off the ICE (teams used to game their line changes to take advantage of time when Gretzky was off the ice). I certainly do not question The Hammer's bona fides, and I'm sure there's an argument that he did all that under conditions that most other players didn't have to endure. But there hasn't been a player that advanced the statistics of the MLB game like Ruth did. He didn't just set records, he set entirely new standards. And he was, to my knowledge, the last to dominate all phases of the game at the major league level.
Fair points about Babe Ruth, but he dominated when the league was segregated, so I think that dings him a little, no? It does seem like baseball is hard to narrow down to just two or three guys when discussing their GOAT. Some will say Ruth, some will say Mays, some will say Cobb, some will say Aaron, some will say Bonds, some will even say Jeter (which always makes me :lol).
Gretzky seems to get not much more than a cursory mention in most GOAT conversations these days in the media (Brady vs Jordan seems to be the consensus 1a vs 1b in team sports now), but I think that has more to do with the disrespect hockey in general gets. But of the four major pro sports here in North America, he is the most obvious unquestioned GOAT in his sport. Brady is the closest now (only those screaming "Spygate!" are still the only holdouts when it comes to calling him the football GOAT, and of course some old timers who might still swear by Joe Namath or Bart Starr :lol), but he doesn't have the statistical and regular season dominance that Gretzky had.
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I tried to set up my vote for The Babe with the Gretzky story. There are hundreds of truly great, top shelf players in all four major sports leagues throughout their history, but only a handful in each that legit changed the game for generations, or were so far ahead that others couldn't really change the game because they couldn't do what that "great" could do. I have yet to see a hockey player dominate a game like Gretzky, even when he was off the puck, hell, even when he was off the ICE (teams used to game their line changes to take advantage of time when Gretzky was off the ice). I certainly do not question The Hammer's bona fides, and I'm sure there's an argument that he did all that under conditions that most other players didn't have to endure. But there hasn't been a player that advanced the statistics of the MLB game like Ruth did. He didn't just set records, he set entirely new standards. And he was, to my knowledge, the last to dominate all phases of the game at the major league level.
Fair points about Babe Ruth, but he dominated when the league was segregated, so I think that dings him a little, no? It does seem like baseball is hard to narrow down to just two or three guys when discussing their GOAT. Some will say Ruth, some will say Mays, some will say Cobb, some will say Aaron, some will say Bonds, some will even say Jeter (which always makes me :lol).
Gretzky seems to get not much more than a cursory mention in most GOAT conversations these days in the media (Brady vs Jordan seems to be the consensus 1a vs 1b in team sports now), but I think that has more to do with the disrespect hockey in general gets. But of the four major pro sports here in North America, he is the most obvious unquestioned GOAT in his sport. Brady is the closest now (only those screaming "Spygate!" are still the only holdouts when it comes to calling him the football GOAT, and of course some old timers who might still swear by Joe Namath or Bart Starr :lol), but he doesn't have the statistical and regular season dominance that Gretzky had.
I agree with pretty much all of this (both Kev and Stadler), but even with the points made about Ruth, there is nothing even approaching a consensus.
Yes, Ruth was the last player to be both a dominant pitcher and hitter. My rebuttal to that is that is that he was only a true regular pitcher for four seasons. The only guy I can think of who had a similar trajectory was the much hyped Rick Ankiel, who was a regular starter for a few seasons before an injury cut his pitching career short. After returning from his injury, he was able to put together seven respectable (but unremarkable) seasons as an outfielder. And, of course, you have the even more overhyped Shohei "Don't Tell Me" Ohtani.
As far as Gretzky, there is still a very vocal minority that will argue for Mario Lemieux, but those arguments typically come with a "when he was healthy" modifier (much like the anti-Brady arguments always seem to focus on off-the-field nonsense). Basketball seems to be pretty evenly split (almost entirely on generational lines) between James and Jordan, with a few holdouts for guys like Bryant and Abdul-Jabbar.
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Yes, Ruth was the last player to be both a dominant pitcher and hitter. My rebuttal to that is that is that he was only a true regular pitcher for four seasons. The only guy I can think of who had a similar trajectory was the much hyped Rick Ankiel, who was a regular starter for a few seasons before an injury cut his pitching career short. After returning from his injury, he was able to put together seven respectable (but unremarkable) seasons as an outfielder. And, of course, you have the even more overhyped Shohei "Don't Tell Me" Ohtani.
As far as Gretzky, there is still a very vocal minority that will argue for Mario Lemieux, but those arguments typically come with a "when he was healthy" modifier (much like the anti-Brady arguments always seem to focus on off-the-field nonsense). Basketball seems to be pretty evenly split (almost entirely on generational lines) between James and Jordan, with a few holdouts for guys like Bryant and Abdul-Jabbar.
Bryant has zero argument to be the GOAT of basketball (he's not even top 5 by any stretch of the imagination), but I think that while Jordan still has a good lead on James, the gap has been closed a little, and could close even more in the next two or three years depending on if James gets more rings and how many. Granted, there will always be those "Jordan is the GOAT no matter what" people who are impossible to reason with, so there is that. Super Mario was awesome, but I think players should be judged on what they did, not what they could have done. It's doubtful that Mario could have caught Gretzky anyway, but the way things played out, it is really not close.
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Hot take: Don't be surprised if Mahomes does not get back to the Super Bowl any time soon. Sounds crazy, right? But if you had said 10 years ago after GB beat Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl, "Aaron Rodgers won't make it back to another Super Bowl for the next decade," you would have gotten laughed out of the state.
The way the Chiefs lost Sunday could have a long term effect on their team. They didn't just lose, they got beat up physically, and they looked soft. It reminded of the 1999-2001 Rams who looked mostly invincible on offense for three straight years before getting punked in the Super Bowl...and they were never the same. Same thing could happen to the Chiefs. "But they still have Mahomes, Kelce and Tyreek Hill!" Yeah, and those Rams still had Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce, and how did that turn out post-2001?
The key will be how the Chiefs regroup this offseason. Anyone else see about how Brady was texting teammates all last week telling them to take to the Chiefs cause they were nearly last in the NFL in yards allowed after contact? The obvious implication there was that they were soft and would crumble if you hit them enough, which they totally did. And now the rest of the NFL has seen it. Think of Mike Tyson after Buster Douglas. He still won some big fights, but that aura of invincibility was gone forever. I think it will be for these Chiefs as well. That is not to say they still won't win a lot of games, or score a lot of points, or put up a lot of yards, but I don't think they will scare teams on a weekly basis any more.
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Not to diminish Ruth’s contributions to baseball, but he put up those numbers when there no teams west of the Mississippi, no air travel (most MLB road trips at the time were by train), no relief pitchers, no fireballing closers, and only 8 teams in the American League (National League as well). His feats did inspire the term “Ruthian”, and the only other athletes I’ve heard get a term like that are Pavel Datsyuk with Datsyukian, and Michael Jordan with Jordan-esque.
On a hockey related note, the first guy not named Gretzky or Lemieux in the top 15 NHL single season point totals is Steve Yzerman, who had 155 points for the 88-89 Red Wings. Gretzky has 8 of the top 10 single season point totals. That’s ridiculous.
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On a hockey related note, the first guy not named Gretzky or Lemieux in the top 15 NHL single season point totals is Steve Yzerman, who had 155 points for the 88-89 Red Wings. Gretzky has 8 of the top 10 single season point totals. That’s ridiculous.
Indeed. To me, it's still just insane to think that if you took away every goal Gretzky ever scored, he'd still be the all-time points leader in NHL history simply based on assists.
And, oh yeah, he scored the most goals of anyone ever, too. Insane. :lol :lol
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I have no idea who Pavel Datsyuk is, and have never heard anything described as Datsyukian.
Kev's take may be hot bit it isn't scorching. I would say if Mahomes isn't back in a year or two, it could very well be never.
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Hot take: Don't be surprised if Mahomes does not get back to the Super Bowl any time soon. Sounds crazy, right? But if you had said 10 years ago after GB beat Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl, "Aaron Rodgers won't make it back to another Super Bowl for the next decade," you would have gotten laughed out of the state.
The way the Chiefs lost Sunday could have a long term effect on their team. They didn't just lose, they got beat up physically, and they looked soft. It reminded of the 1999-2001 Rams who looked mostly invincible on offense for three straight years before getting punked in the Super Bowl...and they were never the same. Same thing could happen to the Chiefs. "But they still have Mahomes, Kelce and Tyreek Hill!" Yeah, and those Rams still had Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce, and how did that turn out post-2001?
The key will be how the Chiefs regroup this offseason. Anyone else see about how Brady was texting teammates all last week telling them to take to the Chiefs cause they were nearly last in the NFL in yards allowed after contact? The obvious implication there was that they were soft and would crumble if you hit them enough, which they totally did. And now the rest of the NFL has seen it. Think of Mike Tyson after Buster Douglas. He still won some big fights, but that aura of invincibility was gone forever. I think it will be for these Chiefs as well. That is not to say they still won't win a lot of games, or score a lot of points, or put up a lot of yards, but I don't think they will scare teams on a weekly basis any more.
I think there's a lot of good ideas in there, and a lot to think about. I don't know that you're completely right, but I think there's a lot of truth in there. I don't count out Kelce and Mahomes, but I'm not really high on Hill; he's fast, but I don't know that he's a great receiver. And who else is there after that? Everyone else there is now an answer for.
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I think there's a lot of good ideas in there, and a lot to think about. I don't know that you're completely right, but I think there's a lot of truth in there. I don't count out Kelce and Mahomes, but I'm not really high on Hill; he's fast, but I don't know that he's a great receiver. And who else is there after that? Everyone else there is now an answer for.
It's all Mahomes. Kelce can be intimidated and if a defense can account for Hill, the Chiefs could have a tough road back.
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So the question I have - Have NFL players merged onto the same highway that NBA players are on where they determine what teams they want to play for and demanding trades and recruiting other teammates to come here and win a championship.
I mean, this offseason is barely 3 days old and all of the activity regarding players still under contract possibly moving to other teams is mind boggling!
It's going to be fun to watch. :hat
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Bryant has zero argument to be the GOAT of basketball (he's not even top 5 by any stretch of the imagination), but I think that while Jordan still has a good lead on James, the gap has been closed a little, and could close even more in the next two or three years depending on if James gets more rings and how many. Granted, there will always be those "Jordan is the GOAT no matter what" people who are impossible to reason with, so there is that. Super Mario was awesome, but I think players should be judged on what they did, not what they could have done. It's doubtful that Mario could have caught Gretzky anyway, but the way things played out, it is really not close.
I don't follow basketball enough to have an opinion, but if you come out here, you'll get a lot of folks very loudly champion Bryant as the GOAT of the NBA.
Hot take: Don't be surprised if Mahomes does not get back to the Super Bowl any time soon. Sounds crazy, right? But if you had said 10 years ago after GB beat Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl, "Aaron Rodgers won't make it back to another Super Bowl for the next decade," you would have gotten laughed out of the state.
I was thinking about this yesterday and don't disagree at all. I think there's a lot to be said for a team providing the "blueprint" for how to beat Team X. Only time will tell.
I have no idea who Pavel Datsyuk is, and have never heard anything described as Datsyukian.
I'd be shocked if anyone outside of the greater Detroit era ever used the term "Datsyukian." I know exactly who he is and wouldn't have the slightest idea what that adjective might mean. I've seen lots of athletes get adjectivized, but none with the staying power of "Ruthian."
I'm not really high on Hill
Come on, man...get the lyrics right!
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I think there's a lot of good ideas in there, and a lot to think about. I don't know that you're completely right, but I think there's a lot of truth in there. I don't count out Kelce and Mahomes, but I'm not really high on Hill; he's fast, but I don't know that he's a great receiver. And who else is there after that? Everyone else there is now an answer for.
It's all Mahomes. Kelce can be intimidated and if a defense can account for Hill, the Chiefs could have a tough road back.
Invest in a real run game and give opposing D's something other than Mahomes to worry about. All I've heard is how smart the kid is. Give him options to exploit opposing schemes. I thought a big part of their problem on Sunday was an inability to keep Tampa's D honest. They did try once to establish a ground game and abandoned it early when it wasn't working out.
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I've been mulling over the Babe Ruth thing, and there really aren't too many parallels. There have certainly been two-way players elsewhere, but generally not exceptional at all aspects. Deion was kind of a crappy receiver, for example. The one that jumps out at me is Sammy Baugh. We don't really look at players from back then because the game was so different, but the game is so different in large part because of him. He was the original quarterback as we know it. Before him the forward pass was just something you did if you couldn't run. Sammy weaponized it. And as for being a crossover player, the man played quarterback, defensive back, and punter, and he led the league in passing TDs, interceptions, and punt average all in the same year. Obviously he's not Brady, Deion, or Landeta, but his total dominance is why we shouldn't disregard folks who played so long ago.
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So the question I have - Have NFL players merged onto the same highway that NBA players are on where they determine what teams they want to play for and demanding trades and recruiting other teammates to come here and win a championship.
I mean, this offseason is barely 3 days old and all of the activity regarding players still under contract possibly moving to other teams is mind boggling!
It's going to be fun to watch. :hat
I suspect we will now see the trend of NFL stars, similar to NBA stars, using their power and leverage to dictate where they get to play, which I am good with. The way the NFL is set up now, you can be stuck with the team that drafts you, when taking the rookie contract and being able to franchise players into account. If a stud gets drafted by the Bengals or Lions and doesn't want to waste most of his 20's stuck on a shitbag franchise, more power to 'em if they can find a way to get the hell out of town.
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Brady getting sauced up and acknowledging Antoine Winfield's taunting of Tyreek Hill is hilarious to watch. All the guys had a blast today at the parade, Tom with his new 2 million dollar boat throwing Lombardi's around like it's nothing. I really hope the core of the team stays together for next season, rumors are already flying that several players want to restructure their deals including Brady to keep as many players possible.
https://streamable.com/s2611b
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I kind of assume Tampa built this thing with two years in mind, followed by a total cap catastrophe. All of those restructures would make both happen.
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So the question I have - Have NFL players merged onto the same highway that NBA players are on where they determine what teams they want to play for and demanding trades and recruiting other teammates to come here and win a championship.
I mean, this offseason is barely 3 days old and all of the activity regarding players still under contract possibly moving to other teams is mind boggling!
It's going to be fun to watch. :hat
I suspect we will now see the trend of NFL stars, similar to NBA stars, using their power and leverage to dictate where they get to play, which I am good with. The way the NFL is set up now, you can be stuck with the team that drafts you, when taking the rookie contract and being able to franchise players into account. If a stud gets drafted by the Bengals or Lions and doesn't want to waste most of his 20's stuck on a shitbag franchise, more power to 'em if they can find a way to get the hell out of town.
This sets up a dangerous precedent where bad teams won’t be able to hold on to talent long enough to be able to build a competitive team around them. It’s one thing if it’s a situation like the Texans where they’re actually wasting the talent of Watson by not only not building around him but outright getting rid of the talent that was in place like Hopkins. It’s another thing if every player is able to pull an Eli Manning and just refuse to play for a team before that team even has a chance to build around them.
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Teams still hold the leverage. Somebody like Watson can bitch all he wants, but the Texans still own him per the contract that he agreed to. If they can get the compensation they want to make a trade worth while they'll do it. If they can't he can either play for them or sit out, which would save them a bundle. If he's really got the balls to back up his conviction he can pull a Barry Sanders. It would be a shame for it to come to that, but the deal is that Houston committed a great deal of money to keep him around, and he agreed to play for them.
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And sort of a corollary to El Barto's point, players want to play. For every Eli Manning, there's a Le'Veon Bell that wants the Benjamin's and will play for the Jets for a paycheck rather than win with the Steelers. The Jets, no matter how bad they are, will never want for players to man the roster.
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Whether you like Brady or hate him, this is hilarious:
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tom-brady-super-bowl-55-recap/
Keep in mind you'll only understand "BradyVision" if you've watched Marvel's "WandaVision".
Still trying to sort out how I feel about that ref job. Formal NFL players like Esiason and Chris Simms used the word "dirty". This crap happens often enough that you're never 100% sure if the games are on the level.
Thought of something this morning. When the Yankees won 4 World Series in 5 years from 1996-2000 there were no headlines that read "Derek Jeter wins 4th World Series". Same with Aikman winning 3 SBs in 4 years or even when Montana got his 4th the headlines were "Forty Niners . . . ". The cultish behavior is a recent thing, where a subset of delirious fans discount 52/53 player's contributions and lay them all at the feet of one person who plays half the game. Shrugs.
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Thought of something this morning. When the Yankees won 4 World Series in 5 years from 1996-2000 there were no headlines that read "Derek Jeter wins 4th World Series". Same with Aikman winning 3 SBs in 4 years or even when Montana got his 4th the headlines were "Forty Niners . . . ". The cultish behavior is a recent thing, where a subset of delirious fans discount 52/53 player's contributions and lay them all at the feet of one person who plays half the game. Shrugs.
As I mentioned before, media/fans is going to twist facts and turn them into headlines that gets eyes on them. If I'm a player on the Bucs and won the Super Bowl, I could care less about the headlines reading "Tom Brady wins #7." The players on that roster on the team and getting paid a good amount of money and won a championship, the pinnacle achievement of their career. That's all it matters to to the players.
When the New York Rangers won the cup in 1994 after a 54 year drought, did those fans care that Mark Messier and bunch of Oilers players from their 80s dynasty and former Blackhawks players from the early 90s was a huge part of the team winning the cup? No. They only cared that the team under the name, New York Rangers, finally got the job done. Won 16 games in the playoffs. All that matters. 54 year drought. Over. Period. End story.
I guess to sum it up, wouldn't you want Tom Brady on your team that you follow?
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Whether you like Brady or hate him, this is hilarious:
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tom-brady-super-bowl-55-recap/
Keep in mind you'll only understand "BradyVision" if you've watched Marvel's "WandaVision".
Still trying to sort out how I feel about that ref job. Formal NFL players like Esiason and Chris Simms used the word "dirty". This crap happens often enough that you're never 100% sure if the games are on the level.
Thought of something this morning. When the Yankees won 4 World Series in 5 years from 1996-2000 there were no headlines that read "Derek Jeter wins 4th World Series". Same with Aikman winning 3 SBs in 4 years or even when Montana got his 4th the headlines were "Forty Niners . . . ". The cultish behavior is a recent thing, where a subset of delirious fans discount 52/53 player's contributions and lay them all at the feet of one person who plays half the game. Shrugs.
Because there is no player on either of those teams at the historical calibre of Tom Brady. It's not a "cult", it's the reality of the situation. He impacted that team immeasurably, on the field and off. He raised everyone's game with his work ethic, his enthusiasm, his experience, his discipline, his determination...
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Joe will give this guy the finger, and Tim will ask, 'who?", but Nick Wright, who is filling in this week for Colin Cowherd (who had a blood clot in his right lung and had to be rushed to the ER), had a good point: Tom Brady is like LeBron James in that he is the system. Wherever he goes, a championship inevitably follows, and wherever he leaves, goes to shit pretty quickly.
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I didn't know that about Colin. 2 years ago for the second time I was in the hospital for blood clots in my lungs.
Now for Nick Wright that turd. Lol. I think that statement rings true. I do think coaching in football is more important (see throwing kn the 1 yard line) and the preparation for that call for the Pats D.
I've always said you need both to win 6. Tampa will have a target next year. Tough hill to climb. Ask KC.
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In NE Tom and Bill were both the system. That's why it worked so well. I don't know if the NBA works this way, but the bigger issue with NE is that players wanted to come to NE and play with Tom. And players like obnoxious loudmouth Danny Amendola were happy to take pay cuts to stay and play with Tom. I think the exodus of talent and the inability to replace it will be a bigger blow than just losing TB12.
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Oh for sure. You need a marquee QB anywhere to get better players to join.
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Joe will give this guy the finger, and Tim will ask, 'who?", but Nick Wright,
Yeah I have no idea who that is. :lol
I've always said you need both to win 6. Tampa will have a target next year. Tough hill to climb. Ask KC.
Yes, you needed both, but it was Brady that enabled Bill to run his system.
And Tampa has a tit schedule next year. 2nd place schedule and the NFC East. They should have the Pats blueprint to win one game and then you're in the NFC CG.
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Yep, the Bucs have it made in the shade next year, with an easy schedule and the Saints a question mark thanks to Brees likely retiring. They should be a lock for 12-13 wins and one of the top 2 seeds. Get ready for Brady to win number 8!
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I see the Bucs play the Pats next season, I'm sure there will be no hype for that matchup.
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I just hope fans will be able to go to that game.
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I hope the Pats have a quarterback for that game.
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So what's the rumor mill on the QB situation in NE? I'm sure Belichick is still behind Cam Newton, or has he been cut already?
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So what's the rumor mill on the QB situation in NE? I'm sure Belichick is still behind Cam Newton, or has he been cut already?
Newton is technically a free agent. He only signed a one year contract. There are whispers that he could be back. Bill likes him, and he was popular in the locker room.
No one really knows WTF Bill is thinking at QB. Your guess is as good as anybody's.
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After the last season Cam isn't going to get a starting job. If he's going to be a backup for somebody then NE's the best choice. He can go on being a leader in the lockerroom. He can compete with the new guy during training camp. He'll make a solid backup, and even an occasional change of pace quarterback. And he'll only cost backup QB money. Seems like a win for everybody to me.
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Watt cut not traded by the Texans!! :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:
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Didn't JJ want out from the Texans? I'd figure he'd be traded so the other team could eat his salary, I'm guess with cutting him the Texans get off free?
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I'd think they'd want to get something for him. Just shocked they outright cut him. He was asking to be released.
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Thought of something this morning. When the Yankees won 4 World Series in 5 years from 1996-2000 there were no headlines that read "Derek Jeter wins 4th World Series". Same with Aikman winning 3 SBs in 4 years or even when Montana got his 4th the headlines were "Forty Niners . . . ". The cultish behavior is a recent thing, where a subset of delirious fans discount 52/53 player's contributions and lay them all at the feet of one person who plays half the game. Shrugs.
It's not cultish, and I don't even like Brady.
Who the fuck else even played on those Patriot teams? Brady was the only real star I can think of, except when he had Moss, and that awesome team didn't even win. That's not the case with the Yankees, Cowboys, or 49ers teams you mentioned.
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Watt had a no-trade clause in his contract. At the same time, that simply means he could veto any trade, or accept one if he liked the deal. The Texans, from what I can tell, had already covered his guaranteed money, so there's no dead cap penalty for getting rid of him however they see fit. My guess is that he demanded to be cut rather than traded so he can negotiate a new contract. That's surprising since he was due 17.5 this year, but you never know. Maybe he wanted a better long term deal.
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Thought of something this morning. When the Yankees won 4 World Series in 5 years from 1996-2000 there were no headlines that read "Derek Jeter wins 4th World Series". Same with Aikman winning 3 SBs in 4 years or even when Montana got his 4th the headlines were "Forty Niners . . . ". The cultish behavior is a recent thing, where a subset of delirious fans discount 52/53 player's contributions and lay them all at the feet of one person who plays half the game. Shrugs.
It's not cultish, and I don't even like Brady.
Who the fuck else even played on those Patriot teams? Brady was the only real star I can think of, except when he had Moss, and that awesome team didn't even win. That's not the case with the Yankees, Cowboys, or 49ers teams you mentioned.
It's not fair to say they didn't win with MOss. They didn't win the Superb Owl, but they won 18 other games. More to the point, NE has always had a solid roster up until the last few years, and even recently they've had a stellar secondary. Brady has always benefited from people like Gronk, Welker, and Edelman. He's always benefited from having James White catching out of the backfield, or Blount or Dillon bowling over defenders. For most of his career he's benefited from having one of the top scoring D's and excellent ST. Just because they don't have 15 HOFers coming out of this era doesn't mean he didn't have a superb supporting cast for most of his time in NE.
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I’m guessing JJ goes to Pittsburgh to play with his brother.
But there is that 1% hope he comes home to the Packers.
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Thought of something this morning. When the Yankees won 4 World Series in 5 years from 1996-2000 there were no headlines that read "Derek Jeter wins 4th World Series". Same with Aikman winning 3 SBs in 4 years or even when Montana got his 4th the headlines were "Forty Niners . . . ". The cultish behavior is a recent thing, where a subset of delirious fans discount 52/53 player's contributions and lay them all at the feet of one person who plays half the game. Shrugs.
It's not cultish, and I don't even like Brady.
Who the fuck else even played on those Patriot teams? Brady was the only real star I can think of, except when he had Moss, and that awesome team didn't even win. That's not the case with the Yankees, Cowboys, or 49ers teams you mentioned.
Patriots had a ton of amazing players on those earlier teams.... remember Rodney Harrison? Tedy Bruschi? Asante Samual? Richard Seymour? I specifically chose defensive players only. They had some really solid defenses through Brady's career.
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In NE Tom and Bill were both the system. That's why it worked so well. I don't know if the NBA works this way, but the bigger issue with NE is that players wanted to come to NE and play with Tom. And players like obnoxious loudmouth Danny Amendola were happy to take pay cuts to stay and play with Tom. I think the exodus of talent and the inability to replace it will be a bigger blow than just losing TB12.
Totally. I think maybe the best NBA comparison would be the Popovich/Duncan Spurs.
Thought of something this morning. When the Yankees won 4 World Series in 5 years from 1996-2000 there were no headlines that read "Derek Jeter wins 4th World Series". Same with Aikman winning 3 SBs in 4 years or even when Montana got his 4th the headlines were "Forty Niners . . . ". The cultish behavior is a recent thing, where a subset of delirious fans discount 52/53 player's contributions and lay them all at the feet of one person who plays half the game. Shrugs.
It's not cultish, and I don't even like Brady.
Who the fuck else even played on those Patriot teams? Brady was the only real star I can think of, except when he had Moss, and that awesome team didn't even win. That's not the case with the Yankees, Cowboys, or 49ers teams you mentioned.
It's not fair to say they didn't win with MOss. They didn't win the Superb Owl, but they won 18 other games. More to the point, NE has always had a solid roster up until the last few years, and even recently they've had a stellar secondary. Brady has always benefited from people like Gronk, Welker, and Edelman. He's always benefited from having James White catching out of the backfield, or Blount or Dillon bowling over defenders. For most of his career he's benefited from having one of the top scoring D's and excellent ST. Just because they don't have 15 HOFers coming out of this era doesn't mean he didn't have a superb supporting cast for most of his time in NE.
That's all true, but I think it misses the point of what Hef is saying. The point is simply that, in terms of Brady getting the spotlight, it is completely logical.
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It's not fair to say they didn't win with MOss. They didn't win the Superb Owl, but they won 18 other games.
The Super Bowl is the only thing I was talking about.
More to the point, NE has always had a solid roster up until the last few years, and even recently they've had a stellar secondary. Brady has always benefited from people like Gronk, Welker, and Edelman. He's always benefited from having James White catching out of the backfield, or Blount or Dillon bowling over defenders. For most of his career he's benefited from having one of the top scoring D's and excellent ST. Just because they don't have 15 HOFers coming out of this era doesn't mean he didn't have a superb supporting cast for most of his time in NE.
Of course, they've had solid rosters; you don't win Super Bowls without solid rosters, no matter WHO is playing QB. But all of those other teams mentioned had All-World rosters, filled with future HOF-ers. That was my only point.
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Urban Meyer......what an arrogant :censored He loves surrounding himself with men of character......like Zach Smith, and now Chris Doyle.
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Urban Meyer......what an arrogant :censored He loves surrounding himself with men of character......like Zach Smith, and now Chris Doyle.
Doyle just resigned.
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I was at UF during the Tim Tebow years and I'll never forget how quickly the tide turned against Meyer when he left.
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I wonder if Trevor Lawrence is already thinking of ways he can get the Jags to not draft him.
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I wonder if Trevor Lawrence is already thinking of ways he can get the Jags to not draft him.
Post a tweet about th holocaust.
Too soon?
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I wonder if Trevor Lawrence is already thinking of ways he can get the Jags to not draft him.
Post a tweet about th holocaust.
Too soon?
I don't get it (did someone do that recently?), but saying something offensive about that awful time in history I am sure would get the ball rolling.
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I wonder if Trevor Lawrence is already thinking of ways he can get the Jags to not draft him.
Post a tweet about th holocaust.
Too soon?
I don't get it (did someone do that recently?), but saying something offensive about that awful time in history I am sure would get the ball rolling.
Gina Carano fired from Mandalorian. Check the P/R GD if you got some time to burn.
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Who from what?
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^^ It's all right, I don't get it either and I don't really have the time to invest in why I personally should care since I don't watch TV nowadays.
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Just read this heartbreaking story.
Good looking out Baker Mayfield.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/baker-mayfield-pays-respects-to-tom-seipel-the-fan-he-helped-make-it-to-one-last-browns-game/ar-BB1dFgZs?li=BB15ms5q
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^^ It's all right, I don't get it either and I don't really have the time to invest in why I personally should care since I don't watch TV nowadays.
This was my reaction as well when I looked it up earlier after Chad's post. Life is hard enough right now with the pandemic and the snow and cold weather without getting tied up with that nonsense or the crap in D.C.
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I wonder if Trevor Lawrence is already thinking of ways he can get the Jags to not draft him.
Post a tweet about th holocaust.
Too soon?
I don't get it (did someone do that recently?), but saying something offensive about that awful time in history I am sure would get the ball rolling.
Gina Carano fired from Mandalorian. Check the P/R GD if you got some time to burn.
Jingle, read what she said... I'm kidding, no. :) :) :)
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Crushing news about Vincent Jackson. He was one of the first WR I drafted when I first began playing fantasy football and was so happy he came to Tampa even though the QB situation was unsteady. I even thought about him during the Superbowl thinking how amazing he would have been.
I know Mike Evans was mentored by him and really looked up to the guy. I feel for V Jax's.
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When I first started to get really into football, the Chargers were the second team that I really got into. One of the first guys who I remembered really liking was Vincent Jackson. He worked hard and avoided drama for the most part. Him paired with Malcolm Floyd, Antonio Gates, LaDainian Tomlinson, and of course Philip Rivers was awesome to watch.
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Few fantasy players I have ever owned have driven me nuts more than Vincent Jackson - he was the king of having like three weeks of 2-33-0 in a row and then having 8-160-3 the next. R.I.P.
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Carson Wentz traded to Colts for a 3rd round and conditional second round pick.
WOW! How the mighty have fallen.........
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His huge contract plus and opt out in 1 season is why he went for so little.
Watson will go for a crazy amount of picks/players. He just signed a new contract in his mid 20's.
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Being from the Philly area but not an Eagles fan I think gives me a cool look at the team. I have to say it's absolutely incredible how they've gone from Super Bowl winners, and absolute legends to a dumpster fire in which much of the coaching staff, many players, and ownership have all been deemed awful in so few years.
I gotta say it's one tremendous hit how they gave Wentz so much power (and then a contract to match) only to move on. Just a huge failure.
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Being from the Philly area but not an Eagles fan I think gives me a cool look at the team. I have to say it's absolutely incredible how they've gone from Super Bowl winners, and absolute legends to a dumpster fire in which much of the coaching staff, many players, and ownership have all been deemed awful in so few years.
I gotta say it's one tremendous hit how they gave Wentz so much power (and then a contract to match) only to move on. Just a huge failure.
Having lived in Philly for a number of years, and having watched them from not so far for many more growing up a Giants fan, it's kind of par for the course. A Super Bowl win is never a "fluke", but theirs is as close as they come. Reid was never able to cross the threshold, even with good-ish players, they supposedly found the savior in Chip Kelly, but no dice there, and the Pederson/Wentz combo reverted to form pretty quickly.
I do work on both cars and electronics as a hobby; fixing both are pretty simple: if something is broken, you change out one part/piece at a time until you get a different result. If you keep changing out the same two or three parts/pieces, and you DON'T get that different result, you need to try OTHER pieces. Not that it will ever happen (I can't name one time in the history of pro sports where it has), but at some point, Roseman and Lurie have to look in the mirror. They're not winning any more with Jalen Hurts than they have in the past couple years with Wentz.
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I haven't kept up with Eagles news in recent years and am kinda surprised they crashed so soon after their SuperBowl win which was just a short 3 years ago. I figured that Wentz was pretty good in the team and just kept getting injured a lot and that is why they let Foles go.
Speaking of Philly, found this interview (https://youtu.be/Syt-TLC36fE)with LeSean McCoy intriguing, his take on what Brady brought to Tampa and leaving Belichick and the Pats was what he expected to happen once Tom was gone. It was interesting to learn how "dialed in" Brady is even at age 43. I guess you need to be that super dialed in if you want to win 7 rings.
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JJ Watt goes to the Cards.
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What's the thought about Russell Wilson? I've read a couple articles about his discontent, but I have to say, I'm surprised at that. I thought him to be above that so to speak.
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What's the thought about Russell Wilson? I've read a couple articles about his discontent, but I have to say, I'm surprised at that. I thought him to be above that so to speak.
I think there’s a difference between “I wish I made more money” and “I wish I got hit less and also had a little more control over this offense”. His issues seem to be with management not putting a great offensive line in front of him and Pete Carroll not letting him call more plays despite the fact that whenever he’s had the opportunity to do so he’s been successful. He feels like the powers at be aren’t putting him or his team in the best position to succeed.
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I think there’s a difference between “I wish I made more money” and “I wish I got hit less and also had a little more control over this offense”. His issues seem to be with management not putting a great offensive line in front of him and Pete Carroll not letting him call more plays despite the fact that whenever he’s had the opportunity to do so he’s been successful. He feels like the powers at be aren’t putting him or his team in the best position to succeed.
That's what I've gleaned from it. I mean, KC goes directly to Mahomees and asks who he'd like to see drafted.....Tampa lets Tom Brady do whatever the F he wants.....Big Ben does whatever the hell he wants. I don't think Wilson is out of line at all.
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I'm a fan; I think he's one of the best QBs in the league; if I'm Pete Carroll, I'm making sure I'm spending quality time with my QB over the next few weeks. I have faith that Carroll knows how to handle this, but he certainly has something to handle.
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They showed Wilson at the Super Bowl watching it with Goodell (I think), and he had to see the protection Brady was getting and thought, "Why does my team never get me protection like that?" He has been the good soldier for many years now, and I don't blame him for calling out the organization.
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It certainly is blowing up the radio waves around here. With this and the Mariners' President's comments, there has been a lot to talk about, considering we have an NFL team that got bounced in the WC round, a MLB team who hasn't made the playoffs in 20 years, no NBA team, and no NHL team till next season.
I am not too invested to care enough to read in to it, but there is definitely something beneath the surface brewing.
... Pete Carroll not letting him call more plays despite the fact that whenever he’s had the opportunity to do so he’s been successful.
Let's not go too far. He's not infallible, and while he was tearing it up the first 8 games this season, when he had the chance to "cook" he couldn't manage to make toast without burning it.
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Thought of something this morning. When the Yankees won 4 World Series in 5 years from 1996-2000 there were no headlines that read "Derek Jeter wins 4th World Series". Same with Aikman winning 3 SBs in 4 years or even when Montana got his 4th the headlines were "Forty Niners . . . ". The cultish behavior is a recent thing, where a subset of delirious fans discount 52/53 player's contributions and lay them all at the feet of one person who plays half the game. Shrugs.
It's not cultish, and I don't even like Brady.
Who the fuck else even played on those Patriot teams? Brady was the only real star I can think of, except when he had Moss, and that awesome team didn't even win. That's not the case with the Yankees, Cowboys, or 49ers teams you mentioned.
It's not fair to say they didn't win with MOss. They didn't win the Superb Owl, but they won 18 other games. More to the point, NE has always had a solid roster up until the last few years, and even recently they've had a stellar secondary. Brady has always benefited from people like Gronk, Welker, and Edelman. He's always benefited from having James White catching out of the backfield, or Blount or Dillon bowling over defenders. For most of his career he's benefited from having one of the top scoring D's and excellent ST. Just because they don't have 15 HOFers coming out of this era doesn't mean he didn't have a superb supporting cast for most of his time in NE.
Hey Barto, now that the Pats suck, who's your next favorite team gonna be? :lol :rollin :lol
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:lol
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Thought of something this morning. When the Yankees won 4 World Series in 5 years from 1996-2000 there were no headlines that read "Derek Jeter wins 4th World Series". Same with Aikman winning 3 SBs in 4 years or even when Montana got his 4th the headlines were "Forty Niners . . . ". The cultish behavior is a recent thing, where a subset of delirious fans discount 52/53 player's contributions and lay them all at the feet of one person who plays half the game. Shrugs.
It's not cultish, and I don't even like Brady.
Who the fuck else even played on those Patriot teams? Brady was the only real star I can think of, except when he had Moss, and that awesome team didn't even win. That's not the case with the Yankees, Cowboys, or 49ers teams you mentioned.
It's not fair to say they didn't win with MOss. They didn't win the Superb Owl, but they won 18 other games. More to the point, NE has always had a solid roster up until the last few years, and even recently they've had a stellar secondary. Brady has always benefited from people like Gronk, Welker, and Edelman. He's always benefited from having James White catching out of the backfield, or Blount or Dillon bowling over defenders. For most of his career he's benefited from having one of the top scoring D's and excellent ST. Just because they don't have 15 HOFers coming out of this era doesn't mean he didn't have a superb supporting cast for most of his time in NE.
Hey Barto, now that the Pats suck, who's your next favorite team gonna be? :lol :rollin :lol
So this is where getting called out in P/R led you, eh? Fascinating.
I've said all along I'm a Belichick fan. To a lesser extent, Bob Kraft. That hasn't changed. When they're gone my loyalties may, or may not change. I have grown fond the organization. Also, I don't think we're quite to the "sucking" point just yet, except when compared to 20 years of utter domination. NE will be better on both sides of the ball next year. Their record will reflect that and they'll compete for, and quite possibly win the division. If they don't win the super bowl then people will still say they suck. It is what it is.
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What do you make of the "Belichick is still in love with Cam Newton!" stories coming out of Boston? I think he might LIKE the idea of Newton generally, but he has to know he's not winning anything big or long term with Camshaft under center. He MIGHT be a Taysom Hill kind of guy, but even that is one-dimensional.
I think this is Belichick's way of saying "Nothing to see here. Move along, move along!"
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That's Bill not saying anything bad on a vet he likes so he doesn't damage his chance to go to another team.
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That's Bill not saying anything bad on a vet he likes so he doesn't damage his chance to go to another team.
That's a good point I hadn't thought of.
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I think Bill really does like him an awful lot. I get the impression that he doesn't value the QB position as much as most coaches. He sees the whole shebang as a team effort, and with the 51 guys, NE can win with Cam under center. The reports are that he's concerned about Cam's arm strength, but pretty much nothing else, and that sounds about right. My concern was that Cam, and by extension NE, was completely one dimensional. With a receiver or two to threaten defenses, and even a marginal improvement from Cam, that should change.
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I think it's really about his arm strength El Barto. Cam needs his arm because he's slightly slower are reading the D. No fault of his. His legs were dynamite and allowed him to get out of tough stations fast. Cam throwing now with pressure is off too. I agree they are not far off from 10-6 - 11-5. Can Cam improve? I'm not sure it's about improvement with his arm issues.
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I think Cam is washed up.
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I think Cam is washed up.
His arm's week, and he's got the pocket awareness of Hellen Keller, but I'm not sure about washed up. He may be, but I'm not sold on that just yet.
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I think Cam is washed up.
His arm's week, and he's got the pocket awareness of Hellen Keller, but I'm not sure about washed up. He may be, but I'm not sold on that just yet.
:lol :lol :lol
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He was out basically a whole year the year before and then signed very late last year. Add the way teams practice during this pandemic that didn't help him in any sort of way. I still think his arm is an issue.
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I think Cam is washed up.
His arm's week, and he's got the pocket awareness of Hellen Keller, but I'm not sure about washed up. He may be, but I'm not sold on that just yet.
Hmmm. I don't know either, but even if he isn't washed up, IMO, Cam Newton is NEVER winning a Super Bowl with or without Bill. I think it's just too easy to scheme him. So what's the plan? Keep him another year and see if a draft pick gives you a woody?
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I think Cam is washed up.
His arm's week, and he's got the pocket awareness of Hellen Keller, but I'm not sure about washed up. He may be, but I'm not sold on that just yet.
Hmmm. I don't know either, but even if he isn't washed up, IMO, Cam Newton is NEVER winning a Super Bowl with or without Bill. I think it's just too easy to scheme him. So what's the plan? Keep him another year and see if a draft pick gives you a woody?
I don't think that's a plan, simply because this is the best draft pick they'll have. Even if they keep cam and he doesn't improve, the rest of the team will elevate them a few wins, and perhaps a playoff berth. If they can't get their QB with 15, they're not going to with the the 23rd or higher next year.
Also, I think they could win a SB with Cam. Lesser QBs have done it. I wouldn't bet on it, but in this regard I think Bill is right. Their are 52 guys on the team, and while one may be the most important, he's not the linchpin.
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IMO - Cam never had the right head for ball. When things are going great, he's right there doing the Superman thing but when there's a little adversity, he is sulking with a towel over his head. And yes - there were players around the league that were taking cheap shots at him and his helmet. When he gave an interview and said that football was no longer fun for him, I can certainly see why.
However, after his 2020 body of work, there is no reason to think that he will be anything but below average for any team. He's been trending down for years. If I were a GM, I would definitely stay away from him.
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IMO - Cam never had the right head for ball. When things are going great, he's right there doing the Superman thing but when there's a little adversity, he is sulking with a towel over his head. And yes - there were players around the league that were taking cheap shots at him and his helmet. When he gave an interview and said that football was no longer fun for him, I can certainly see why.
However, after his 2020 body of work, there is no reason to think that he will be anything but below average for any team. He's been trending down for years. If I were a GM, I would definitely stay away from him.
This may well be all true. I just don't feel right using the 2020 NFL season as a final exam for anybody. Everything was just too abnormal.
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Thought of something this morning. When the Yankees won 4 World Series in 5 years from 1996-2000 there were no headlines that read "Derek Jeter wins 4th World Series". Same with Aikman winning 3 SBs in 4 years or even when Montana got his 4th the headlines were "Forty Niners . . . ". The cultish behavior is a recent thing, where a subset of delirious fans discount 52/53 player's contributions and lay them all at the feet of one person who plays half the game. Shrugs.
It's not cultish, and I don't even like Brady.
Who the fuck else even played on those Patriot teams? Brady was the only real star I can think of, except when he had Moss, and that awesome team didn't even win. That's not the case with the Yankees, Cowboys, or 49ers teams you mentioned.
It's not fair to say they didn't win with MOss. They didn't win the Superb Owl, but they won 18 other games. More to the point, NE has always had a solid roster up until the last few years, and even recently they've had a stellar secondary. Brady has always benefited from people like Gronk, Welker, and Edelman. He's always benefited from having James White catching out of the backfield, or Blount or Dillon bowling over defenders. For most of his career he's benefited from having one of the top scoring D's and excellent ST. Just because they don't have 15 HOFers coming out of this era doesn't mean he didn't have a superb supporting cast for most of his time in NE.
Hey Barto, now that the Pats suck, who's your next favorite team gonna be? :lol :rollin :lol
So this is where getting called out in P/R led you, eh? Fascinating.
Nah. This goes back years when I found out you used to be a Dallas fan. I thought you might jump ship again and go to where the weather is fair.
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Thought of something this morning. When the Yankees won 4 World Series in 5 years from 1996-2000 there were no headlines that read "Derek Jeter wins 4th World Series". Same with Aikman winning 3 SBs in 4 years or even when Montana got his 4th the headlines were "Forty Niners . . . ". The cultish behavior is a recent thing, where a subset of delirious fans discount 52/53 player's contributions and lay them all at the feet of one person who plays half the game. Shrugs.
It's not cultish, and I don't even like Brady.
Who the fuck else even played on those Patriot teams? Brady was the only real star I can think of, except when he had Moss, and that awesome team didn't even win. That's not the case with the Yankees, Cowboys, or 49ers teams you mentioned.
It's not fair to say they didn't win with MOss. They didn't win the Superb Owl, but they won 18 other games. More to the point, NE has always had a solid roster up until the last few years, and even recently they've had a stellar secondary. Brady has always benefited from people like Gronk, Welker, and Edelman. He's always benefited from having James White catching out of the backfield, or Blount or Dillon bowling over defenders. For most of his career he's benefited from having one of the top scoring D's and excellent ST. Just because they don't have 15 HOFers coming out of this era doesn't mean he didn't have a superb supporting cast for most of his time in NE.
Hey Barto, now that the Pats suck, who's your next favorite team gonna be? :lol :rollin :lol
So this is where getting called out in P/R led you, eh? Fascinating.
Nah. This goes back years when I found out you used to be a Dallas fan. I thought you might jump ship again and go to where the weather is fair.
Fair enough. And for the record, my jumping ship had nothing to do with them sucking. Believe me, I've supported my fair share of crappy teams. I bailed on Dallas because I was disgusted over how they abandoned Wade Phillips. It's not that I have any great fondness for Wade as a HC (fantastic DC and an even better example of the Peter Principle in action), but the players hung him out to dry. His livelihood was on the line, and they refused to even try. Suddenly, Garrett comes aboard and they start winning again, like he was some magical elixir. Combine that with Jerry World and the go-go dancers and the party atmosphere and they're just not an organization worthy of any support. The Cowboy's aren't a football team. They're a circus designed to bring people into Jerry's big top.
I did say at the time that as soon as the last player from that lousy team of quitters was gone I'd consider rooting for them again. I think I'm one Sean Lee away from that mark, though I really haven't seen anything to convince me they're any less of a circus sideshow.
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Love the Sean Lee reference, a great Penn State LB who has continued to be the type of player and person to represent my alma mater even though he plays for one of my most hated teams.
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Love the Sean Lee reference, a great Penn State LB who has continued to be the type of player and person to represent my alma mater even though he plays for one of my most hated teams.
Yeah, well, 2010 Sean Lee can eat a bag of dicks.
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Thought of something this morning. When the Yankees won 4 World Series in 5 years from 1996-2000 there were no headlines that read "Derek Jeter wins 4th World Series". Same with Aikman winning 3 SBs in 4 years or even when Montana got his 4th the headlines were "Forty Niners . . . ". The cultish behavior is a recent thing, where a subset of delirious fans discount 52/53 player's contributions and lay them all at the feet of one person who plays half the game. Shrugs.
It's not cultish, and I don't even like Brady.
Who the fuck else even played on those Patriot teams? Brady was the only real star I can think of, except when he had Moss, and that awesome team didn't even win. That's not the case with the Yankees, Cowboys, or 49ers teams you mentioned.
It's not fair to say they didn't win with MOss. They didn't win the Superb Owl, but they won 18 other games. More to the point, NE has always had a solid roster up until the last few years, and even recently they've had a stellar secondary. Brady has always benefited from people like Gronk, Welker, and Edelman. He's always benefited from having James White catching out of the backfield, or Blount or Dillon bowling over defenders. For most of his career he's benefited from having one of the top scoring D's and excellent ST. Just because they don't have 15 HOFers coming out of this era doesn't mean he didn't have a superb supporting cast for most of his time in NE.
Hey Barto, now that the Pats suck, who's your next favorite team gonna be? :lol :rollin :lol
So this is where getting called out in P/R led you, eh? Fascinating.
Nah. This goes back years when I found out you used to be a Dallas fan. I thought you might jump ship again and go to where the weather is fair.
Fair enough. And for the record, my jumping ship had nothing to do with them sucking. Believe me, I've supported my fair share of crappy teams. I bailed on Dallas because I was disgusted over how they abandoned Wade Phillips. It's not that I have any great fondness for Wade as a HC (fantastic DC and an even better example of the Peter Principle in action), but the players hung him out to dry. His livelihood was on the line, and they refused to even try. Suddenly, Garrett comes aboard and they start winning again, like he was some magical elixir. Combine that with Jerry World and the go-go dancers and the party atmosphere and they're just not an organization worthy of any support. The Cowboy's aren't a football team. They're a circus designed to bring people into Jerry's big top.
I did say at the time that as soon as the last player from that lousy team of quitters was gone I'd consider rooting for them again. I think I'm one Sean Lee away from that mark, though I really haven't seen anything to convince me they're any less of a circus sideshow.
That assessment of Wade Phillips could not possibly be more accurate.
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So I totally don't get this Spot and Choose (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/spot-and-choose-the-overtime-idea-the-nfl-must-implement/ar-BB1ef9Ld) nonsense. For one thing, I think the NFL has already struck a perfect balance with regards to the coin toss in OT. The current setup is fine. The only people who are opposed to it are teams that have gotten burned because they're totally unbalanced, and their O didn't get the ball first. Learn to play D. But also, is there really anybody who doesn't understand the current process? They go through this lengthy explanation before every OT presumably for the benefit of people watching their first football game, and it's just not that complicated. But more importantly, is S&C actually less complicated?
From what I gather there's actually some strategy involved. I'm not sure I see it, but more importantly, I'm not sure how it's really going to be all that different than a coin toss, which is still going to matter regardless. Aren't Chiefs fans going to bitch just as much when their opponent marches 99 yards down field because they never got a try on offense? Can somebody perhaps explain to me some strategy of how we might see something other than a team getting the ball after a pretty bad kick return?
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So I totally don't get this Spot and Choose (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/spot-and-choose-the-overtime-idea-the-nfl-must-implement/ar-BB1ef9Ld) nonsense. For one thing, I think the NFL has already struck a perfect balance with regards to the coin toss in OT. The current setup is fine. The only people who are opposed to it are teams that have gotten burned because they're totally unbalanced, and their O didn't get the ball first. Learn to play D. But also, is there really anybody who doesn't understand the current process? They go through this lengthy explanation before every OT presumably for the benefit of people watching their first football game, and it's just not that complicated. But more importantly, is S&C actually less complicated?
From what I gather there's actually some strategy involved. I'm not sure I see it, but more importantly, I'm not sure how it's really going to be all that different than a coin toss, which is still going to matter regardless. Aren't Chiefs fans going to bitch just as much when their opponent marches 99 yards down field because they never got a try on offense? Can somebody perhaps explain to me some strategy of how we might see something other than a team getting the ball after a pretty bad kick return?
This is the first I've heard of this. The first problem I have with the article is this: "when you’ve got different sets of rules for regular season and playoffs — or when you have to put the rules onscreen before every overtime, just to explain yet again to the viewers at home what the hell’s happening — you’ve got a flawed system." BULLSHIT. The only difference between playoffs and regular season is the length of the OT, and that makes perfect sense. Also, the NHL has different rules for playoffs and regular season, and that works great. You simply cannot have regular season hockey games going on indefinitely, and the current system is a lot of fun.
As far as needing 1,120 words in the rulebook, that's a red herring and written by someone who obviously doesn't have a grasp on how rules for a multi-billion dollar enterprise have to be written. Does the person who wrote this article really think that the "spot and choose" would require fewer words in the rule book or not require on-screen graphics to explain? Shit no. It would probably require more words to explain.
As for strategy, a lot of that would be removed if they went with the 7:30 "play as usual" concept that the article says Belichick favors. If it's a sudden death thing, then yeah, there's more strategy involved, but not really. I suspect it would end up where just about every "spot" team would choose a particular yard line (+/- 10 yards), so it would all look pretty standardized. At the end of the day, the current system is fine. It addressed the inequity of the old system, and it's very easy to understand. Don't change what ain't broke.
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As someone who is not at all a fan of hyperbole (unless applied to my penis or the meal I cooked last night) this paragraph sent me into a seizure:
The NFL’s overtime rules run more than four times as long, 1120 words, and turn the simplest dang thing possible — how to figure out who wins a football game — into a bewildering array of directives and sub-articles so complicated that the IRS nods its approval.
You, Jay Busbee, must have the attention span of a 4 year old.
EDIT: I kept reading, and after the spot and choose, how is that radically different than now? You're still going to have to explain the spot and the choice, then you have to explain what happens after. This part was a real turnoff: One generally winning approach to poker is to always force your opponent to make an uncomfortable decision, and Spot and Choose does exactly that, every single overtime. I'm tuning in for a football game, not a poker game; why would I want that?
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As for strategy, a lot of that would be removed if they went with the 7:30 "play as usual" concept that the article says Belichick favors. If it's a sudden death thing, then yeah, there's more strategy involved, but not really. I suspect it would end up where just about every "spot" team would choose a particular yard line (+/- 10 yards), so it would all look pretty standardized. At the end of the day, the current system is fine. It addressed the inequity of the old system, and it's very easy to understand. Don't change what ain't broke.
I think the strategy will come down to whatever a statistician says will work best, and a few outlier coaches with their own ideas. I remember that moving the XP back to the 15 was supposed to create new strategy, and I sure don't see any difference. The team that spots will have their own idea, and probably 30 teams will be the same. The teams that choose will look at their chart and only switch to D beyond a certain point, and that'll only come into play with the two outlier teams. And remember, coaches can, and occasionally have, started OT on D.
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Interesting idea, but not something I would implement. And the reason to implement this makes no sense, this is more confusing than the current rules. Honestly, the way they changed the rules have made it much more fair and interesting IMO. This doesn't need to be fixed and while occassionally you see a professional not know the rules for OT, that's on the individual not the rule book. It's really not that complicated and it boggles my mind when a player doesn't know the rules.
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As for strategy, a lot of that would be removed if they went with the 7:30 "play as usual" concept that the article says Belichick favors. If it's a sudden death thing, then yeah, there's more strategy involved, but not really. I suspect it would end up where just about every "spot" team would choose a particular yard line (+/- 10 yards), so it would all look pretty standardized. At the end of the day, the current system is fine. It addressed the inequity of the old system, and it's very easy to understand. Don't change what ain't broke.
I think the strategy will come down to whatever a statistician says will work best, and a few outlier coaches with their own ideas. I remember that moving the XP back to the 15 was supposed to create new strategy, and I sure don't see any difference. The team that spots will have their own idea, and probably 30 teams will be the same. The teams that choose will look at their chart and only switch to D beyond a certain point, and that'll only come into play with the two outlier teams. And remember, coaches can, and occasionally have, started OT on D.
There's two parts to this: the "spot and choose" and whether or not it's sudden death. If it's not sudden death, I could see a "spot" team selecting the defense's 1-yard line on the theory that they have a well above average goal line defense. They think the most likely outcome will be a short field goal, but even if it's a touchdown, there's still 7:00 to be played. If the "spot" team thinks it has the better offense, why not? On the other hand, if it is a sudden death situation, then I think you would end up with 90+% of spotting teams choosing a spot that's somewhere between the offense's 20-30 yard line. Either way, I don't see the point in tinkering with something to this extent when the current rule is just fine.
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Just to throw this out there, I'm sure it's not the popular choice for the NFL, but I actually love the way college football does overtime. It gets super interesting when it comes to the 3rd OT and you have to go for 2pt on a TD. I'd have no issue if the NFL adopted it personally, but I get why people would rather the current way which includes more of the standard football game.
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Just to throw this out there, I'm sure it's not the popular choice for the NFL, but I actually love the way college football does overtime. It gets super interesting when it comes to the 3rd OT and you have to go for 2pt on a TD. I'd have no issue if the NFL adopted it personally, but I get why people would rather the current way which includes more of the standard football game.
I don't watch minor league football, so I don't have any real perspective on what they do, but I'd prefer something that has as little deviation as possible from the "real" game. Of course, as I mentioned earlier, I really like the current NHL system, so who knows.
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Good for Dak for getting paid and duping the Cowboys into overpaying him, and LOL at the Cowboys for paying a good QB (see: not great) that much money.
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I'm shocked the Cowboys paid this.
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I'm shocked the Cowboys paid this.
I'm not. Dak is well liked down here. Certainly more than Romo was. Remember, the Cowboys exist to fill the Jerrydome, and Dak will help to do that.
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I'm shocked the Cowboys paid this.
You're shocked? You forgetting who owns the Cowboys? :D
Dak was always going to get his money, the only question is how to structure a contract so they wouldn't short change themselves in order to build a championship team around him. Dak was not the problem with the Cowboys over the past couple of seasons, it was our inability to build a championship defense that's been our problem.
Fun fact - Dak is the ONLY QB from the 2016 draft still with the original team that drafted him and he is clearly the best QB from that draft.
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Well, you guys would know the Dallas area better obviously.
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I'm shocked the Cowboys paid this.
You're shocked? You forgetting who owns the Cowboys? :D
Dak was always going to get his money, the only question is how to structure a contract so they wouldn't short change themselves in order to build a championship team around him. Dak was not the problem with the Cowboys over the past couple of seasons, it was our inability to build a championship defense that's been our problem.
Fun fact - Dak is the ONLY QB from the 2016 draft still with the original team that drafted him and he is clearly the best QB from that draft.
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The Cowboys aren't even in the top ten, no, top 15 best contenders for a Champeenship. When Jerry severed ties with Jimmy J. he signaled his absolute lack of clue on how to actually reach that goal. I predicted then that Tony Romo would never see, let alone WIN, a Super Bowl and I repeat that prediction now, substituting Dak Prescott.
I'm pretty sure that TAC, Bart and I wuold have a better shot of building a Super Bowl winner, using a Ouiji board and a 12-sided die.
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Oh I don't disagree with any of the criticism about Jerry Jones and his ability to build a championship team. And I don't know if Dak will win a championship but he is their best option going forward. Dak's contract is more team friendly than people realize. Jerry's biggest flaw is that he forgets the Jimmy Johnson rule of championships are built in the trenches.
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Dak's contract is more team friendly than people realize.
It is?
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And I disagree that Dak is clearly the best QB of the 2016 draft. It is still a tough call between Dak and Wentz. Before 2020, there was no question that Wentz was better, but he regressed last season. However, that look like organizational failure, and I suspect he will return to form with the Colts. Time will tell.
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Jerry's biggest flaw is that he forgets the Jimmy Johnson rule of championships are built in the trenches.
This is a bang-on observation.
The problem is that trench battles aren't what Dallas fans want. Here's the thing. Dallas isn't a football city. They love the Cowboys but they don't really care about football itself. They want explosive offense and nothing else matters. This is best illustrated by the fact that during the glory days, the crowd would be deafening when Troy, Michael, and Emmett were on the field. Bring Deion out as a WR and it got even louder. As soon as the D came on they'd all go to get another beer and you could hear a pin drop. This is football in Dallas. None of this has changed. If Dak, Zeek, Cooper, and Lamb can put up big plays they'll buy tickets and watch the games, and that's what Jerry wants. It's a show, not a sport. And while winning is the best way to sell tickets, that goes right back to the trenches, which Jerry doesn't get.
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The Cowboys aren't even in the top ten, no, top 15 best contenders for a Champeenship. When Jerry severed ties with Jimmy J. he signaled his absolute lack of clue on how to actually reach that goal. I predicted then that Tony Romo would never see, let alone WIN, a Super Bowl and I repeat that prediction now, substituting Dak Prescott.
I'm pretty sure that TAC, Bart and I wuold have a better shot of building a Super Bowl winner, using a Ouiji board and a 12-sided die.
While you weren't, and probably aren't wrong, I don't think it was because of Romo or Dak. Either one of them could have been or can be a SB quarterback, just not with this organization.
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Dak's contract is more team friendly than people realize.
It is?
When you factor in the new TV contract which will increase the CAP then the deal looks a little more palatable. Also, Dak will only count around 21 million against the CAP this year and I think it has to do with a 66 million check they will write him tomorrow. Yes, Dak made off like a bandit but only Jerry knows what the projected league revenue will be because he has visibility to the TV negotiations that the players and their agents don't. It's possible that within a year Dak's salary won't even be top 5 in the league.
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It's possible that within a year Dak's salary won't even be top 5 in the league.
That is fucked.
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It's possible that within a year Dak's salary won't even be top 5 in the league.
That is fucked.
I doubt it. Name me 5 QB's that will make over 40 mil a year? I've got 2. Mahomes & Rodgers. Brady will not get 40. Wilson just signed in 2019 a 4 year 129 mil contract. Watson is making 39 mil a year early in his new contract.
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The Cowboys aren't even in the top ten, no, top 15 best contenders for a Champeenship. When Jerry severed ties with Jimmy J. he signaled his absolute lack of clue on how to actually reach that goal. I predicted then that Tony Romo would never see, let alone WIN, a Super Bowl and I repeat that prediction now, substituting Dak Prescott.
I'm pretty sure that TAC, Bart and I wuold have a better shot of building a Super Bowl winner, using a Ouiji board and a 12-sided die.
While you weren't, and probably aren't wrong, I don't think it was because of Romo or Dak. Either one of them could have been or can be a SB quarterback, just not with this organization.
No, that's fair. I don't argue that (except for the part that while some QBs can rise above their organization, these aren't two of them). I'm a fan of Romo; if you could play with eras, I'd like to see him in his prime in New England now. I was making more of a generalized statement.
On another front, I don't think Wentz is done at all. He's another I wouldn't have minded in New England.
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It's possible that within a year Dak's salary won't even be top 5 in the league.
That is fucked.
I doubt it. Name me 5 QB's that will make over 40 mil a year? I've got 2. Mahomes & Rodgers. Brady will not get 40. Wilson just signed in 2019 a 4 year 129 mil contract. Watson is making 39 mil a year early in his new contract.
Kyler Murray
Lamar Jackson
Josh Allen
Baker Mayfield
Justin Herbert
Joe Burrow
Now you can argue if they are worth it or not but the market has just been reset.
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Within a year you said. I don't see any of them making that money.
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Within a year you said. I don't see any of them making that money.
OK - maybe not within a year but the 50 million $ QB is right around the corner. I predict that the NFL will have some sort of normalcy - meaning fans are back. One of these QB's will have a stellar year and a club will want to sign him, to a long-term deal because it's cheaper to do it now.
And to that point, the Cowboys tried to tie up Dak to 30 - 35 million a year 2 years ago but Dak balked because his camp figured that the price would only increase.
Dak for the win.
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50 mil will be Mahomes. The others need to play at a playoff level to get that. Still $35 mil for being average is a crazy amount of money.
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On another front, I don't think Wentz is done at all. He's another I wouldn't have minded in New England.
I probably would have preferred Foles. The potential is there. He can stay on the field, unlike Wentz. There's no doubt he can handle the pressure. His problem is entirely mental. He thrives as a backup forced to start and he sucks as a number one. I think that's probably something a good coach can work out. It's also possible that he just needs the constant pressure that comes from being a scrub, and who better to put constant pressure on a player than Belichick. Just ask Lagarette Blount. :lol
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50 mil will be Mahomes. The others need to play at a playoff level to get that. Still $35 mil for being average is a crazy amount of money.
If you're calling Dak average I think you may be selling him short.
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50 mil will be Mahomes. The others need to play at a playoff level to get that. Still $35 mil for being average is a crazy amount of money.
Oh I completely agree about the salaries!
One thing that TB did to deserve a pat in the back was not to try and break the bank with every contract so the team could sign quality players. At least that's my perspective from a distance.
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In the end it it hurt him. Imagine being Tom Brady and after wining 5 Superbowls and losing one in the 2017 season when you passed for over 500 yards and you still had to take a 1 year deal with incentives? In the end he was fed up with that, not having a voice and wanted to go elsewhere. There are stories that after the 2017 season he wanted out and Kraft talked him out of it.
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Imagine being Tom Brady and after wining 5 Superbowls and losing one in the 2017 season when you passed for over 500 yards and you still had to take a 1 year deal with incentives?
OK. Regarded by damn near everybody as the best ever. Respected by everybody, including the people that hate your guts. Playing for the GOAT coach. Adored by an entire region of the USA. Worth 250 million. Married to a trophy wife. The trophy wife is worth 650 million. Great relationship with the trophy wife and the kids (and the ex wife). Only 40 years old and free to spend the rest of your life doing whateverthefuck you want. Yeah, I'd say STFU and get on with your charmed life.
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On another front, I don't think Wentz is done at all. He's another I wouldn't have minded in New England.
I probably would have preferred Foles. The potential is there. He can stay on the field, unlike Wentz. There's no doubt he can handle the pressure. His problem is entirely mental. He thrives as a backup forced to start and he sucks as a number one. I think that's probably something a good coach can work out. It's also possible that he just needs the constant pressure that comes from being a scrub, and who better to put constant pressure on a player than Belichick. Just ask Lagarette Blount. :lol
I bet on Chicago early on in our pick 'em league and we talked and you pointed out that Foles wasn't good. And you kind of changed my mind for me on that; he's streaky as well as being in his own head. I'm with you, though; Wentz is fragile and there's no place for fragile in the New England scheme.
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Imagine being Tom Brady and after wining 5 Superbowls and losing one in the 2017 season when you passed for over 500 yards and you still had to take a 1 year deal with incentives?
OK. Regarded by damn near everybody as the best ever. Respected by everybody, including the people that hate your guts. Playing for the GOAT coach. Adored by an entire region of the USA. Worth 250 million. Married to a trophy wife. The trophy wife is worth 650 million. Great relationship with the trophy wife and the kids (and the ex wife). Only 40 years old and free to spend the rest of your life doing whateverthefuck you want. Yeah, I'd say STFU and get on with your charmed life.
You and I the common man thinks that. To him, in his mind, he was tired being slighted in his mind.
BB not backing him in Deflategate ( Ask Tom)
His owner backing down not fighting for him.
This while dealing privately with his mom's cancer
Taking a 4 game suspension for what amounted as no proff. (The league admitted it in court)
The fight became about the CBA
The man always take this as ammo. So does it surprise you he had enough and ysed this this past year?
You and I say, get over it, you lived a charmed life but in his mind, he was fucked.
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Imagine being Tom Brady and after wining 5 Superbowls and losing one in the 2017 season when you passed for over 500 yards and you still had to take a 1 year deal with incentives?
OK. Regarded by damn near everybody as the best ever. Respected by everybody, including the people that hate your guts. Playing for the GOAT coach. Adored by an entire region of the USA. Worth 250 million. Married to a trophy wife. The trophy wife is worth 650 million. Great relationship with the trophy wife and the kids (and the ex wife). Only 40 years old and free to spend the rest of your life doing whateverthefuck you want. Yeah, I'd say STFU and get on with your charmed life.
You and I the common man thinks that. To him, in his mind, he was tired being slighted in his mind.
BB not backing him in Deflategate ( Ask Tom)
His owner backing down not fighting for him.
This while dealing privately with his mom's cancer
Taking a 4 game suspension for what amounted as no proff. (The league admitted it in court)
The fight became about the CBA
The man always take this as ammo. So does it surprise you he had enough and ysed this this past year?
You and I say, get over it, you lived a charmed life but in his mind, he was fucked.
YOu and I have discussed his perceived slight about deflategate before, and I'll repeat what I said about it then. Brady completely missed the point about what deflategate was about. It was never about Tom Brady. It was about sticking it to the Patriots and Kraft. It was a screw-job. Bob was right to back down and Bill was right to stay out of it. They were never going to win because the outcome was determined well before it ever started. That whole thing is on Brady. Not because he did anything wrong, but because he completely missed the point and made it about himself. He gets no sympathy from me if he wants to take it all personally, or be butthurt that others didn't jump on grenades for him.
What he does get from me is support for being caught in the middle of the whole thing, and respect for fighting it as hard as he did. I'm not wholly unsympathetic to the guy, he's a victim, AFaIC. That doesn't mean he gets to blame others for not sticking their own necks out for a lost cause.
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No I totally get it. You and I know the 31 other owners had it out for the Pats. Tom was a patsy for them. Still we all live inside our own heads. He was slighted. His perception is different than ours no doubt.
Though, that's what makes him great. He takes everything personal and takes it onto the field and then executes.
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King, your last sentence is the only one that really matters, IMO. I think when the retirement inevitably happens, and he hangs up the spikes, he signs a one-day contract with the Pats like everyone else and is back in the fam. He goes to Cooperstown wearing a Pats jersey and hugging Bill and Bob. Some of this was about personal motivation not about long term grudges. I don't see him at 65 bitching about Bill not having his back, and from what I've seen about Bill's tendency to put bygones behind him (Parcell's) I don't think he will let him.
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King, your last sentence is the only one that really matters, IMO. I think when the retirement inevitably happens, and he hangs up the spikes, he signs a one-day contract with the Pats like everyone else and is back in the fam. He goes to Cooperstown wearing a Pats jersey and hugging Bill and Bob. Some of this was about personal motivation not about long term grudges. I don't see him at 65 bitching about Bill not having his back, and from what I've seen about Bill's tendency to put bygones behind him (Parcell's) I don't think he will let him.
I wasn't aware he'd played baseball since college?? Talk about flying under the radar. :lol
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:lol
I still remember being at the Jets game when Drew was injured and we all looked at each other and said, "Who is this Brady?" :lol
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Brady is like Michael Jordan in that he is masterful at manufacturing slights to keep that chip on his shoulder.
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King, your last sentence is the only one that really matters, IMO. I think when the retirement inevitably happens, and he hangs up the spikes, he signs a one-day contract with the Pats like everyone else and is back in the fam. He goes to Cooperstown wearing a Pats jersey and hugging Bill and Bob. Some of this was about personal motivation not about long term grudges. I don't see him at 65 bitching about Bill not having his back, and from what I've seen about Bill's tendency to put bygones behind him (Parcell's) I don't think he will let him.
I wasn't aware he'd played baseball since college?? Talk about flying under the radar. :lol
Canton, Cooperstown, whatever. I was on a roll. :)
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The more I think about it the more I think NE trades up and takes Trey Lance. It just makes sense. He's the high upside player Bill likes, and he seems to be the sort of QB they want to roll with. It's also a great opportunity since they'll undoubtedly be able to keep Cam for a song, and from what I gather he'd be a perfect mentor for the kid. Cam seems to have developed a strong sense of leadership, and they both possess the same skill sets. Depending on who the third QB taken is (and discounting other teams trading up) NE would probably only need to move up to 7 or 8, and rolling him in would be a good way to get added value for Stephon Gilmour.
The down side is that Trey Lance might not be an immediate starter. While I don't think that's a massive problem in the grand scheme of things, given Bill's situation and the whole Brady thing, that might be a problem for a lot of people.
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Only a rare few times he's done that. It would be interesting if he did. My gut tells me no but how many times have we seen Bill move in the raft or pick someone we never heard of (Jimmy G) and it works out? I can never figure him out.
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In watching the Dak Prescott press conference - I mean - you just got to root for the guy. He's a class act. :metal
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Bucs sign Tom to an extension with a phantom 4-year deal which is actually 2 years in real life I've read. Cam is staying with Bill, both teams play each other this season and both QBs play against their old team.
Bucs are aggressively signing everyone or restructuring contracts of the SB lineup. Should be interesting to see how the year pans out.
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I still wouldn't bet on Cam being the QB this year. I think you re-sign Cam whether he starts or rides the pine. The details haven't been released, but the contract is said to be highly incentive laden, and there's zero possibility that Bill has guaranteed him anything other than a chance to compete for the gig. At the same time, if they do what I'm guessing and move up to sign Trey Lance, having Cam around will be a bargain even at the full price.
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Yeah Cam's contract is heavily based on incentives, no surprise there. As much as talk there is that Bill likes Cam and would like to see him stay in NE, Bill's gonna Bill.
No surprise Bress officially retired, that playoff game looked rough at times and probably didn't think he could do a whole another season. He played great in the league, definitely was close and probably should've gotten more than a few rings. But my guess is that Sean Payton is more to blame for that.
I'm surprised the Bucs team is bringing back a good chunk of the players back, still have some more to go and indications are that many of them will be back. Even if they repeat or come close to it, I really wonder what the year after Brady will be like. I seriously doubt he's going to play more than one year, if he wins another ring, he'll probably just retire.
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Drew Brees is actually underrated. He has been historically unlucky, kind of the anti-Brady. His accuracy is the best in NFL history easily:
https://twitter.com/ScottKacsmar/status/1057798877418569728/photo/1
Also consider this stat from 2019:
Go ahead TD drives in 4Q, team still lost game (career)
Drew Brees - 21
Aaron Rodgers - 11
Peyton Manning - 6
Tom Brady - 4
Brees now has as many as Rodgers, Manning and Brady combined.
Thanks to Belichick, Brady's defenses had only blown 4 of these to that point in 2019 when the article was published.
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Holy crap are the Pats spending money on free agency this year.
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Holy crap are the Pats spending money on free agency this year.
Yeah, I haven't seen them this active in quite a few years. I'm anxious to see the cap numbers on all of this. I love the Trent Brown deal. I was surprised to see them trade Marcus Cannon, though. Still, the O line seems to be in good shape, despite losing Thuny and Cannon. I don't think it'll miss a beat.
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Rumor up here is a wide receiver will be signed as well. A few national and local writers are hinting on it.
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And the rumors were true. Pats just signed Nelson Agholor.
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Jesus. Pats just signed WR Kendrick Bourne. Never seen them spend this much on the 1st day.
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All of the Hoodie's signings and all of the Hoodie's men will never bring back Tom Brady again.
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You had that in your holster didn't you Kev? :lol
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Haha, believe it or not, that was a retort that literally came to mind as I started typing.
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Sure. Lol. He's done a little bit of diving in on 2003 and 2007 but not like this. Too bad there's no QB.
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All of the Hoodie's signings and all of the Hoodie's men will never bring back Tom Brady again.
(https://i.gifer.com/AwxS.gif)
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The surprising part from me is that these aren't cheapo 1 year deals.
• NT Davon Godchaux: 2 years, $16 million.
• OLB Matthew Judon: 4 years, $56 million.
• DB Jalen Mills: 4 years, $24 million.
• TE Jonnu Smith: 4 years, $50 million.
Agholor: 2 years, $26
All told they've spent $200 million, not including Trent Brown, who I think was another 11. This is not how Bill typically does things. Looks to me like he knew the guys he wanted and jumped early to make sure he got them, paying a premium to do so. And a lot of these guys fill specific roles. Jalen Mills can play anywhere in the secondary. Bourne is a shifty route runner in the slot, a la Edelman. Judon lined up opposite Hightower should be fairly imposing. I have no idea how all of these guys will work out, but I like what they're trying to do.
And I still think there's a shot they trade up for Trey Lance.
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Holy Shit! The Pats just signed Hunter Henry!
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Holy Shit! The Pats just signed Hunter Henry!
Belichick is going all in this year.
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So there's this about Leonard Fournette:
https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1371843793016737794?s=20
But also the start of this:
https://twitter.com/lindacohn/status/1371840091455381504?s=20
This is lazy journalism, and of no benefit to anyone except to stir up shit.
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I'm glad the Giants have re-signed Leonard Williams. Guy was a beast for our defense last year.
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This article doesn't state the numbers, but several others, from Variety to The New York Times, put the value of the new NFL broadcast package at $100 to $105 billion.
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-new-broadcast-deals-running-through-2033-season
The new agreement will also see the Super Bowl air on four networks.
From 2023 through 2033, three Super Bowls each will be hosted by CBS (2023, 2027, 2031), FOX (2024, 2028, 2032) and NBC (2025, 2029, 2033), while ABC (2026, 2030) will carry two.
Amazon will also pick up Thursday Night broadcasts, and the league is looking to add a 17th regular season game, I think.
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I was looking at that number and I thought, that number looks really light compared to the NHL's new tv deal with ESPN ($2.8 billion over 7 years) starting in the next season, and then I read it as billion instead of million and then, thought, "Yeah, that makes sense now."
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So does Desaun Watson get his wish for a trade with all these incoming lawsuits? I imagine it has to cause some dent in his trade value? maybe change his mind and make him stay? or leave?
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So does Desaun Watson get his wish for a trade with all these incoming lawsuits? I imagine it has to cause some dent in his trade value? maybe change his mind and make him stay? or leave?
I don't know the answer to this but has anyone seen a more fucked up situation that the Texans???
I mean - dayum! They make the Jets look normal! :coolio
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So does Desaun Watson get his wish for a trade with all these incoming lawsuits? I imagine it has to cause some dent in his trade value? maybe change his mind and make him stay? or leave?
No one will work out a trade right now knowing the unknowns. Until the NLF investigates, he's staying right Houston.
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Word on the block is that a 17th game starting this season is a done deal. The 17th game will be an inter-conference game against a team of the prior years equal standing. To be held at neutral sites, i.e. Mexico City, London, San Antonio etc.
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Wow I think Watson is done. Very detailed accounts of multiple sexual assaults.
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His attorney claims that at least two of the accusations he can prove weren't logistically possible. I don't know how an accuser can make a rookie mistake like that, but still.
I'd also ask, why now? Without any comment or judgment on the veracity of the claims, I find it more than coincidence that as the power plays between him and the club escalate, these accusations come up. Was the club shielding these for the last few years when things were rosy?
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I guess I would ask - why civil lawsuits? Shouldn't the police be involved and shouldn't there be some investigations?
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Seems like this happens a lot. Harvey Weinstein. A lot of women wait for someone else to be the first. But yes I agree they should go for criminal charges immediately. Sounds like the guy is a predator. Unrestrained sexual appetite always leads to bad consequences fellas.
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Different standard of proof is the main thing. In many of these cases, absent a rape kit or any other evidence, it's a he-said-she-said, and that doesn't work well with "beyond a reasonable doubt". Criminal cases also can't be settled out with money, only lesser charges, which might still make him a felon and/or put him on a registry. Don't flame me, but there is also less vengeance and retribution for the victim in a criminal case. Civil cases are a different standard (preponderance of the evidence; think "50/50"), and can be settled out with money, directly to the victim.
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Lot of movement in the past day or so. Something big is brewing.
Jimmy G. back to New England?
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Lot of movement in the past day or so. Something big is brewing.
Jimmy G. back to New England?
I could see it. The hope then is that his and Cam's inevitable injuries do not overlap and the Patriots can scrape together 16 starts between the two.
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Love how these teams throw millions around like candy for Goff and Jimmy before they’ve even proven themselves, and soon regret it.
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Lot of movement in the past day or so. Something big is brewing.
Jimmy G. back to New England?
I could see it. The hope then is that his and Cam's inevitable injuries do not overlap and the Patriots can scrape together 16 starts between the two.
Cam won't get injured. He'll just suck.
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Lot of movement in the past day or so. Something big is brewing.
Jimmy G. back to New England?
I could see it. The hope then is that his and Cam's inevitable injuries do not overlap and the Patriots can scrape together 16 starts between the two.
Cam won't get injured. He'll just suck.
Yeah, it'll suck that he won't get injured.
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Watching last year seeing him miss short passes wide open and not reading defenses was a shock coming from Brady.
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Accuracy and reading defenses have never been Cam's biggest strengths, but remember that he had probably the worst skill position players in the league in 2020. Getting those two new tight ends alone will upgrade their offense. Not saying he is going to return to form (I still think he is getting close to being physically shot), but that coaching staff will squeeze every good ounce out of him that is still there.
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He is the weak link right now. No disputing that now.
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Lot of movement in the past day or so. Something big is brewing.
Jimmy G. back to New England?
I could see it. The hope then is that his and Cam's inevitable injuries do not overlap and the Patriots can scrape together 16 starts between the two.
Cam won't get injured. He'll just suck.
Yeah, it'll suck that he won't get injured.
HAHAHA
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He is the weak link right now. No disputing that now.
I agree; I can live with a missed pass or two. I watched as much Eli as I did Tom, so there's that. But he just always seemed to come up a step short, there was always an excuse, and if you're going to carry a team "one step short" doesn't cut it.
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He is the weak link right now. No disputing that now.
I agree; I can live with a missed pass or two. I watched as much Eli as I did Tom, so there's that. But he just always seemed to come up a step short, there was always an excuse, and if you're going to carry a team "one step short" doesn't cut it.
Cam won't be carrying the team this year. The team will be carrying Cam. All he'll have to do is not make himself dead weight, like he was last year.
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He is the weak link right now. No disputing that now.
I agree; I can live with a missed pass or two. I watched as much Eli as I did Tom, so there's that. But he just always seemed to come up a step short, there was always an excuse, and if you're going to carry a team "one step short" doesn't cut it.
Cam won't be carrying the team this year. The team will be carrying Cam. All he'll have to do is not make himself dead weight, like he was last year.
I don't disagree with that, but there's something that doesn't jive with the Belichick/McDaniel mindset; there's no real room for "carrying" someone in a "do your job" environment. And while I understand that the toolbox looked a little empty last year, they play-called as if Cam was the guy. That run at the 1-yd where he got stuffed. That run where he fumbled because he - after 10 years in the league - still didn't know what side of the body to hold the football on.
I know, I know, I'm a hater, and I cop to that. I defer to Bill and Josh's wisdom, I just wish I understood it a LITTLE better than I do. Honestly, I'm hoping that Bill's stated "commitment" to Cam is a way of keeping prices down on the guy(s) he REALLY wants. Of my four top guys: Garappolo, Stafford, Wentz and Watson, two are off the table, one is effectively off the table, so Bill has to do something to keep things honest (though the 49ers telegraphing their moves like that is a nice little help too.)
El Barto, what's your take on Darnold in New England?
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He is the weak link right now. No disputing that now.
I agree; I can live with a missed pass or two. I watched as much Eli as I did Tom, so there's that. But he just always seemed to come up a step short, there was always an excuse, and if you're going to carry a team "one step short" doesn't cut it.
Cam won't be carrying the team this year. The team will be carrying Cam. All he'll have to do is not make himself dead weight, like he was last year.
I don't disagree with that, but there's something that doesn't jive with the Belichick/McDaniel mindset; there's no real room for "carrying" someone in a "do your job" environment. And while I understand that the toolbox looked a little empty last year, they play-called as if Cam was the guy. That run at the 1-yd where he got stuffed. That run where he fumbled because he - after 10 years in the league - still didn't know what side of the body to hold the football on.
I know, I know, I'm a hater, and I cop to that. I defer to Bill and Josh's wisdom, I just wish I understood it a LITTLE better than I do. Honestly, I'm hoping that Bill's stated "commitment" to Cam is a way of keeping prices down on the guy(s) he REALLY wants. Of my four top guys: Garappolo, Stafford, Wentz and Watson, two are off the table, one is effectively off the table, so Bill has to do something to keep things honest (though the 49ers telegraphing their moves like that is a nice little help too.)
El Barto, what's your take on Darnold in New England?
I don't think he's the solution, and I'd just as soon Bill/JMD hold out for the guy they want. If that means rolling with Cam for another year then that'll have to do. That would be far from my first choice, but it'd be better than rolling the dice on somebody who's not their guy.
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El Barto, what's your take on Darnold in New England?
I know you didn’t ask me, but I would be sick to my stomach if that happened. I’m firmly in the camp that Darnold hasn’t gotten a fair shake in New York, and my preference would be for the Jets to give him one more year with an actual roster built around him. If he doesn’t make strides then they can move on, but it’s better than drafting Justin Fields who I think needs to sit for a year behind a veteran which he would not be able to do on the Jets. Give Sam Darnold one last chance. It’s the best option right now.
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That trade would have to be 3 parties and I still think the Johnson family will not do that. Bad blood between them and Bill.
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Hell would freeze over before Darnold ends up playing for the Pats next year. Some other team would have to trade for him and then subsequently trade him to the Pats without the Jets knowing that was going to be his final destination, and that's the kind of thing I get the sense GMs don't do to each other.
I do agree with Count that Darnold still has potential to be a viable starter in this league. He's still young, he's flashed at times, and the organization has done him no favors in terms of the talent they've surrounded him with (both players and coaches). That said, I want them to trade him for whatever they can get and take a QB at 2. Best case scenario and he puts it together this year we immediately have to start paying him bigtime QB money. If he doesn't and we want to move on next year, we probably aren't getting quite as high a draft pick to start with and the potential QB class is a bit lackluster compared with this year. I'd rather rip the band-aid off now and get a young guy in for the next four years on a rookie payscale.
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Sam Darnold traded to the Panthers. I guess Justin Fields going number two is definite now.
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I hear more chatter that we'll take Zach Wilson, but it should be one of those two.
Be good to him hef, he never had a fair shot with what we surrounded him with here.
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I hear more chatter that we'll take Zach Wilson, but it should be one of those two.
Be good to him hef, he never had a fair shot with what we surrounded him with here.
That’s how I feel as well. At least he didn’t go to a team I hate and I think he could do some good things if Carolina actually surrounds him with talent.
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Sam Darnold traded to the Panthers. I guess Justin Fields going number two is definite now.
I’d never take an Ohio St. qb, they never translate to the NFL.
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Sam Darnold traded to the Panthers. I guess Justin Fields going number two is definite now.
I’d never take an Ohio St. qb, they never translate to the NFL.
Be careful what you say! ;)
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I’d never take an Ohio St. qb, they never translate to the NFL.
Be careful what you say! ;)
Oh God, you ain't kidding! What a mess (your post in P/R might have gotten lost in the weeds but I caught it)
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No thoughts on the 17 game season? Heard on the radio that this is just laying the groundwork for an 18 game season, which is what the owners have wanted for a long time, which I think we all knew. But what caught my ear was that the goal was to have the Superb Owl the Sunday before President's Day weekend, as many people have that Monday off work.
Also, if you missed the final Jeopardy with Aaron Rogers, be sure to check it out on YouTube. Glorious.
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No thoughts on the 17 game season? Heard on the radio that this is just laying the groundwork for an 18 game season, which is what the owners have wanted for a long time, which I think we all knew. But what caught my ear was that the goal was to have the Superb Owl the Sunday before President's Day weekend, as many people have that Monday off work.
How are they doing it in terms of who gets an extra home game and who gets an extra road game? I know the Broncos have 9 home games this year. Is it the teams who sucked the prior season get the extra home game? How much bitching and moaning can we expect when a team with an extra home game gets a playoff spot over a team with an extra road game?
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I believe the 17th game will be an AFC team vs an NCF team. Division and standings from a previous year play into it, but as far as who gets the home game, I think the AFC will get the extra home game, and then the NGC will get it the following year.
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I believe the 17th game will be an AFC team vs an NCF team. Division and standings from a previous year play into it, but as far as who gets the home game, I think the AFC will get the extra home game, and then the NGC will get it the following year.
WOW - I didn't realize they were adding two new conferences! ;D
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I believe the 17th game will be an AFC team vs an NCF team. Division and standings from a previous year play into it, but as far as who gets the home game, I think the AFC will get the extra home game, and then the NGC will get it the following year.
WOW - I didn't realize they were adding two new conferences! ;D
Those WERE the conferences back in 1976. ;D
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The NCF and the NGC?
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Dammit! :lol
I know better than to type on my phone at work.
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Dammit! :lol
I know better than to type on my phone at work.
I'm like Agent Smith slowly infecting you all.
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It's hard to complain about getting another week of football, given the addition of a 17th game, but it is gonna make the record books all goofy now with all players going forward having the opportunity to play 17 games a season instead of 16.
I thought Darnold looked good at times, despite the mess in NY, so I think he will do well in Carolina. If he does not, he has no complaints as he is going to a team with a stud RB and good wideouts (he played with Anderson already, and DJ Moore is the best WR no one talks about outside of FF'ers).
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The 16 games and 4 team/4-division setup was beautiful in it's symmetry. This 17th game is a travesty, but at least we finally get Mahomes vs Rodgers.
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The 16 games and 4 team/4-division setup was beautiful in it's symmetry. This 17th game is a travesty, but at least we finally get Mahomes vs Rodgers.
For the rights to play Brady? Sounds like a good deal.
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The 16 games and 4 team/4-division setup was beautiful in it's symmetry. This 17th game is a travesty, but at least we finally get Mahomes vs Rodgers.
Punctuation aside, I agree. I wasn't crazy about the new playoff format, but at least we got an extra playoff game out of it. Those mean something. Just slapping another inter-conference game into the middle of the season doesn't add much, and it mucks up an elegant regular season format. Not to mention the record books, and the established norms.
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The 16 games and 4 team/4-division setup was beautiful in it's symmetry. This 17th game is a travesty, but at least we finally get Mahomes vs Rodgers.
Punctuation aside, I agree. I wasn't crazy about the new playoff format, but at least we got an extra playoff game out of it. Those mean something. Just slapping another inter-conference game into the middle of the season doesn't add much, and it mucks up an elegant regular season format. Not to mention the record books, and the established norms.
It's one step away from getting that 18th game the owners want. When is the next CBA?
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The 16 games and 4 team/4-division setup was beautiful in it's symmetry. This 17th game is a travesty, but at least we finally get Mahomes vs Rodgers.
Punctuation aside, I agree. I wasn't crazy about the new playoff format, but at least we got an extra playoff game out of it. Those mean something. Just slapping another inter-conference game into the middle of the season doesn't add much, and it mucks up an elegant regular season format. Not to mention the record books, and the established norms.
It's one step away from getting that 18th game the owners want. When is the next CBA?
Once the 17th game was in place, the 18-game season was a foregone conclusion because a 17-game schedule is stupid. As long as they get rid of half of the preseason, I don't really mind, and season ticket holders should be happy. They were paying for 10 games - 8 in the regular season and 2 in the preseason - and the preseason games were the same price as the regular season games. With an 18-game season, and assuming there are only 2 preseason games, they'll still be paying for 10 games, but only one will be a meaningless exhibition.
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I guess I'm kind of the minority, but I like pre-season. I like seeing people playing for an opportunity to make the team. On every team you know who 35 of the players are going to be any given year. I like seeing the other 30 play. Also, you occasionally get a thrilling game, even if it is meaningless. A good contest is a good contest whether it's allstars or amateurs. It is a game, after all. There was a Cowboys preseason game about 10 years back that was fantastic. By the 4th quarter even the owners were on the field enjoying the game. Whether or not it counted in the standings didn't really matter when both teams are playing with heart (and they were).
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The 16 games and 4 team/4-division setup was beautiful in it's symmetry. This 17th game is a travesty, but at least we finally get Mahomes vs Rodgers.
For the rights to play Brady? Sounds like a good deal.
Haha. The whole this qb vs that qb thing is overrated anyway. Rarely do the hyped QB matchup games live up to the billing. The QB's are not on the field at the same time, so it's not like they are literally going against one another. Heck, Brady has a losing playoff record against Nick Foles, Eli Manning, Jake Plummer and Mark Sanchez, but a winning one vs Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes and Philip Rivers, so that just shows you how meaningless that fun little stat can be.
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The 16 games and 4 team/4-division setup was beautiful in it's symmetry. This 17th game is a travesty, but at least we finally get Mahomes vs Rodgers.
For the rights to play Brady? Sounds like a good deal.
Haha. The whole this qb vs that qb thing is overrated anyway. Rarely do the hyped QB matchup games live up to the billing. The QB's are not on the field at the same time, so it's not like they are literally going against one another. Heck, Brady has a losing playoff record against Nick Foles, Eli Manning, Jake Plummer and Mark Sanchez, but a winning one vs Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes and Philip Rivers, so that just shows you how meaningless that fun little stat can be.
Well, all that. But I responded because Dream Team wouldn't allow Brady to cut his lawn and there are those here that fawn over Mahomes like he's next in line for the British throne, the replacement for Neil Peart and the next James Bond all rolled into one. I needed to insert a little perspective, is all. :) :) :)
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I guess I'm kind of the minority, but I like pre-season. I like seeing people playing for an opportunity to make the team. On every team you know who 35 of the players are going to be any given year. I like seeing the other 30 play. Also, you occasionally get a thrilling game, even if it is meaningless. A good contest is a good contest whether it's allstars or amateurs. It is a game, after all. There was a Cowboys preseason game about 10 years back that was fantastic. By the 4th quarter even the owners were on the field enjoying the game. Whether or not it counted in the standings didn't really matter when both teams are playing with heart (and they were).
I'm with you. I've always liked preseason games (although I completely understand why players don't really care for them).
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I don't mind preseason but have felt there were too many games and the players should get some sort of compensation for the games. But after last season, I think there are definite benefits to having a preseason.
Also, with the adding of games I just hope we go back to starting the season off on Labor Day weekend. I loved having that Monday holiday and thought that was the perfect weekend to kick things off! :metal
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The 16 games and 4 team/4-division setup was beautiful in it's symmetry. This 17th game is a travesty, but at least we finally get Mahomes vs Rodgers.
For the rights to play Brady? Sounds like a good deal.
Haha. The whole this qb vs that qb thing is overrated anyway. Rarely do the hyped QB matchup games live up to the billing. The QB's are not on the field at the same time, so it's not like they are literally going against one another. Heck, Brady has a losing playoff record against Nick Foles, Eli Manning, Jake Plummer and Mark Sanchez, but a winning one vs Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes and Philip Rivers, so that just shows you how meaningless that fun little stat can be.
Well, all that. But I responded because Dream Team wouldn't allow Brady to cut his lawn and there are those here that fawn over Mahomes like he's next in line for the British throne, the replacement for Neil Peart and the next James Bond all rolled into one. I needed to insert a little perspective, is all. :) :) :)
I absolutely would let TB12 cut my lawn. If he messed it up I know his co-workers (defense) would have his back :P.
All kidding aside, I also hate 16 teams having an extra road game. And I was referring to Mahomes-Rodgers in the regular season which is their 17th game this year. But let’s face it, that would have been the Super Bowl matchup if not for Kevin freaking King and assclown Olsen.
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Edelman will be missed. I've been a fan since 2011 when I watched him make two clutch plays on D filling in at corner during a playoff game, while also playing WR. Then the Patriots cut him during the offseason. :lol Didn't expect him to become one of Brady's favorite receivers going forward, but he turned out to be OK. Sorry to see he can't keep playing, but it sounds like he's done. Wouldn't be terribly surprised if Brady recruits him in Tampa, but everything I've seen is that he'll never be able to play a whole season. At best he could get the Jason Whitten treatment, and I doubt that would really work out.
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I absolutely would let TB12 cut my lawn.
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Just want to say that Julian Edelman was a FUCKING BALLER!
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Tough as nails. Willing to go where most receivers won't go and clutch as all hell. Thank you Julian.
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I won't knock Edelman because we all have players on our favorite teams who weren't all-time greats, but were special players for the franchise. I get why Patriots fans love the guy.
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Well, gee thanks Kev, but why would you knock him anyway? There's nothing to really knock him for.
He was a nobody that came on and replaced Welker. He was tough as nails and turned himself into one of the best receivers in the league. The guy could get open in traffic and will be overlooked because he didn't run really fast and catch the long ball.
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I'm not a patriots follower but Edelman was indeed the fucking bomb. He was mini Welker in the beginning and then overtook him. Tough that he's not physically there anymore but seeing the beating he got, I guess it shouldn't surprise anyone.
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Well, gee thanks Kev, but why would you knock him anyway? There's nothing to really knock him for.
He was a nobody that came on and replaced Welker. He was tough as nails and turned himself into one of the best receivers in the league. The guy could get open in traffic and will be overlooked because he didn't run really fast and catch the long ball.
I would only knock him in the sense that it is silly to say the turned himself into one of the best receivers in the league because, well, he was never one of the best receivers in the league. If you want to call that a knock, so be it, but while a clutch playoff performer at times, he never even made a Pro Bowl (and everyone makes the Pro Bowl). Sorry, but you weren't one of the best at your position if you played one where eight players make it every year (and usually more once you get to alternates) and you could never even make one. See, you just made me "knock" him. :P
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Who in your mind were the best receivers of his generation?
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Assuming we are talking about the last 10+ years...
Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Julio Jones
Antonio Brown
DeAndre Hopkins
To me, that is easily the top 5 of the last decade. Edelman would not be 6th (I could list 5 more at minimum and he would not be one of them).
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Assuming we are talking about the last 10+ years...
Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Julio Jones
Antonio Brown
DeAndre Hopkins
To me, that is easily the top 5 of the last decade. Edelman would not be 6th (I could list 5 more at minimum and he would not be one of them).
List them then..
Give me the 10 guys you feel are better than Edelman..
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Assuming we are talking about the last 10+ years...
Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Julio Jones
Antonio Brown
DeAndre Hopkins
To me, that is easily the top 5 of the last decade. Edelman would not be 6th (I could list 5 more at minimum and he would not be one of them).
List them then..
Give me the 10 guys you feel are better than Edelman..
Sir, yes, sir! :P
Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Julio Jones
Antonio Brown
DeAndre Hopkins
AJ Green
Mike Evans
Andre Johnson
Tyreek Hill
Demaryius Thomas
Shall I go on?
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No I'm good. Crunching numbers...
...we'll have to pick this up tomorrow. I've got my report ready, but it's too late to discuss further.
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Works for me. I am getting sleepy anyway, and would rather save a good laugh for when I'm fully awake. :biggrin:
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Well, gee thanks Kev, but why would you knock him anyway? There's nothing to really knock him for.
He was a nobody that came on and replaced Welker. He was tough as nails and turned himself into one of the best receivers in the league. The guy could get open in traffic and will be overlooked because he didn't run really fast and catch the long ball.
I would only knock him in the sense that it is silly to say the turned himself into one of the best receivers in the league because, well, he was never one of the best receivers in the league. If you want to call that a knock, so be it, but while a clutch playoff performer at times, he never even made a Pro Bowl (and everyone makes the Pro Bowl). Sorry, but you weren't one of the best at your position if you played one where eight players make it every year (and usually more once you get to alternates) and you could never even make one. See, you just made me "knock" him. :P
Depends on your criteria, I suppose. He was one of the toughest and most reliable receivers anybody could ask for for 8 or so years. I saw your list of ten for TAC, and I could probably add ten more. That doesn't diminish how good JE was, though. And where you say that he was a clutch playoff performer at times, I'd say that he was a clutch performer in every game he played in. That's a big part of what made him special.
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Depends on your criteria, I suppose. He was one of the toughest and most reliable receivers anybody could ask for for 8 or so years. I saw your list of ten for TAC, and I could probably add ten more. That doesn't diminish how good JE was, though. And where you say that he was a clutch playoff performer at times, I'd say that he was a clutch performer in every game he played in. That's a big part of what made him special.
Serious question: how was he reliable for 8 years or so when he missed tons of games? 2013-2020 was obviously his best stretch, and he missed 23 out of a possible 128 games. I have a hard time calling someone reliable over an 8-year stretch where they missed 17% of the games due to injuries.
I will stand by what I have said before: it is a testament to the greatness of Tom Brady that he made a WR like Julian freaking Edelman look so good at times (to the tune of a whopping 41 touchdown catches in 12 seasons COUNTING the playoffs).
I think we have to remember that WR's are not QB's. Fair or not, QB, not WR, is the one position in football where your playoff success or lack thereof heavily impacts your legacy.
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Serious question: how was he reliable for 8 years or so when he missed tons of games? 2013-2020 was obviously his best stretch, and he missed 23 out of a possible 128 games. I have a hard time calling someone reliable over an 8-year stretch where they missed 17% of the games due to injuries.
I suppose if all of his catches were going deep down the sidelines, he'd have stayed a bit healthier, no? His catches were in the "dirty" area of the field. He was damn near killed on many occasions.
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I suppose if all of his catches were going deep down the sidelines, he'd have stayed a bit healthier, no? His catches were in the "dirty" area of the field. He was damn near killed on many occasions.
Agreed, but that is the hair in the soup. He wasn't a good enough receiver to be a deep threat or a big play WR; he was a possession WR, tough as nails for sure, but when you play that style, you are going to take more hits and staying healthy can be difficult. Same with Welker. And that is the thing. Edelman was basically a lesser version of Welker, but because they won Super Bowls with Edelman and not with Welker, many think Edelman was the better of the two when that was not reality.
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Well he was 5' 10" and not 6' 3". You probably know football more than me, but just because a guy runs really fast down the field does not make him a better receiver.
And as a "possession" receiver, did he somehow impact his teams' games less than say...Calvin Johnson, who averaged LESS THAN one more catch per game than Edelman.
I'd also argue that Edelman saved Brady's ass countless times.
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Well, catches is the most overrated stat now in football (and I have held this position for years, so it is not a new one that I pulled out to diss Edelman, FYI). The game has changed now to where everyone catches a million balls.
Here is a different analogy: if Edelman played hockey, he'd be on the 3rd line. Ya know, the line that does the grunt and dirty work, and chips in with big plays at times that can make a difference on championship teams. Edelman is to the Patriots as guys like Darren McCarty and Kris Draper were to the Red Wings back in the day.
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Catches are overrated?
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Catches are overrated?
Yes. I am not saying catches do not matter, but when looking at WR stats, I believe yards per catch, total receiving yards and touchdowns tell more of the tale of one's greatness over time.
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If you look at his stats, he's not HOF material. I think what hurts him is that he had a QB that threw to 8 to 10 receivers a game always spreading the ball. The old running joke was that Brady's favorite receiver is the open receiver. Though if you watched every game you knew that he was the go to when you needed a must catch, a third down. He always seems to get open when needed. Add the #'s he put up in the playoffs and that makes for an interesting discussion.
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Catches are overrated?
Yes. I am not saying catches do not matter, but when looking at WR stats, I believe yards per catch, total receiving yards and touchdowns tell more of the tale of one's greatness over time.
Wut?
Is blocking now overrated for Offensive Linemen??
Again, yds per reception and total receiving yards can be inflated by guys who run long. Edelman made most of his catches in the middle of the field.
With the exception of Calvin Johnson and Mike Evans, Edelman is within 1-4 yds per rec of everyone you listed. And even then the difference is 5 yds for Johnson and 4.5 for Evans.
Must be nice to just outrun a corner. What about routes? What about elusiveness? You’re penalizing Edelman for not being a deep runner.
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Yeah, I can't downgrade Edelman for the area of the field he excelled in being different than that of a lot of the other guys mentioned. HOF or not, if I'm building a team, I take Edelman over a lot of those guys, and definitely as a perfect compliment to any of them. I mean, I probably would take a team with Calvin Johnson and Edelman or Larry Fitzgerald and Edelman over a team with Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald and no Edelman.
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If you look at his stats, he's not HOF material. I think what hurts him is that he had a QB that threw to 8 to 10 receivers a game always spreading the ball. The old running joke was that Brady's favorite receiver is the open receiver. Though if you watched every game you knew that he was the go to when you needed a must catch, a third down. He always seems to get open when needed. Add the #'s he put up in the playoffs and that makes for an interesting discussion.
Okay, but why was he always so open? Is it because he was so great, or was it that Tom Brady was excellent at pre-read snaps and could usually audible the offense into a play call that got guys open more often than not?
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Wut?
Is blocking now overrated for Offensive Linemen??
Again, yds per reception and total receiving yards can be inflated by guys who run long. Edelman made most of his catches in the middle of the field.
With the exception of Calvin Johnson and Mike Evans, Edelman is within 1-4 yds per rec of everyone you listed. And even then the difference is 5 yds for Johnson and 4.5 for Evans.
Must be nice to just outrun a corner. What about routes? What about elusiveness? You’re penalizing Edelman for not being a deep runner.
You say within 1-4 yards per reception like this is a tiny amount, but if player A averages 12 yards per catch and player B averages 15 yards per catch, that is a big difference. That means player b gets 25% more yards per catch than player a. And we all know how significant every yard can be in football. Just ask Kevin Dyson or the 2014 Seahawks. ;)
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If you look at his stats, he's not HOF material. I think what hurts him is that he had a QB that threw to 8 to 10 receivers a game always spreading the ball. The old running joke was that Brady's favorite receiver is the open receiver. Though if you watched every game you knew that he was the go to when you needed a must catch, a third down. He always seems to get open when needed. Add the #'s he put up in the playoffs and that makes for an interesting discussion.
Okay, but why was he always so open? Is it because he was so great, or was it that Tom Brady was excellent at pre-read snaps and could usually audible the offense into a play call that got guys open more often than not?
Patriots receivers are also required to read defenses and adjust their routes accordingly. Brady could certainly tell him what he was seeing, but it's up to the receiver exploit the coverage and wind up where TB expects him to be. JE was a QB turned receiver, and he always knew what Brady was seeing and how to best take advantage of it. JE, like Gronk, developed Brady's complete trust because they were always on the exact same page. Moss had that too, being smart and all. When I said that he was reliable that's what I was talking about. JE never stopped a route short. He never ran a hook rather than a comeback. You watch him and Tampa and several of TB's picks were because his receivers blew their route assignment and Tom threw a bullseye right into to a LB.
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If you look at his stats, he's not HOF material. I think what hurts him is that he had a QB that threw to 8 to 10 receivers a game always spreading the ball. The old running joke was that Brady's favorite receiver is the open receiver. Though if you watched every game you knew that he was the go to when you needed a must catch, a third down. He always seems to get open when needed. Add the #'s he put up in the playoffs and that makes for an interesting discussion.
Okay, but why was he always so open? Is it because he was so great, or was it that Tom Brady was excellent at pre-read snaps and could usually audible the offense into a play call that got guys open more often than not?
Because of him. He could cut full speed on a dime. Brady just could see who was open. Both great attributes.
This knee injury is in direct results of those high speed cuts for do many years.
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Wut?
Is blocking now overrated for Offensive Linemen??
Again, yds per reception and total receiving yards can be inflated by guys who run long. Edelman made most of his catches in the middle of the field.
With the exception of Calvin Johnson and Mike Evans, Edelman is within 1-4 yds per rec of everyone you listed. And even then the difference is 5 yds for Johnson and 4.5 for Evans.
Must be nice to just outrun a corner. What about routes? What about elusiveness? You’re penalizing Edelman for not being a deep runner.
You say within 1-4 yards per reception like this is a tiny amount, but if player A averages 12 yards per catch and player B averages 15 yards per catch, that is a big difference. That means player b gets 25% more yards per catch than player a. And we all know how significant every yard can be in football. Just ask Kevin Dyson or the 2014 Seahawks. ;)
But that's not Edelman's fault. Or Edelman's shortcoming. And again, he's within ONE reception per game than pretty much everyone on your list.
Okay, but why was he always so open? Is it because he was so great, or was it that Tom Brady was excellent at pre-read snaps and could usually audible the offense into a play call that got guys open more often than not?
Why? Because he was fucking smart and agile. He got open in traffic rather than simply outrunning a CB downfield.
Yes. I am not saying catches do not matter, but when looking at WR stats, I believe yards per catch, total receiving yards and touchdowns tell more of the tale of one's greatness over time.
They do? How about when Edelman would keep drives alive with three great 3rd down catches to extend drives only for the TD to go to Gronk or LeGarrette Blount. You mean to tell me that doesn't mean anything?
Kev, are you a football fan or a fantasy geek? I thought you were more astute than falling for the sexiness. Sure I sound like a homer, but I've watched Edelman up close and he was incredible. To call him Darren McCarty is a disgrace. Or Kris Draper.
Maybe he's not Jarri Kurri, but he's definitely Glen Anderson. Maybe he's not Mike Bossy, but he's definitely John Tonelli.
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So your saying Tim he's not Brett Hull but Adam Oates? :lol
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So your saying Tim he's not Brett Hull but Adam Oates? :lol
He's not Neal Peart, but he's Alex Lifeson. :lol
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HOW DARE YOU! :lol
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Too much to catch up on to quote it all this late in the evening :lol, but a few points:
-It is not insulting or a disgrace to compare Edelman to Draper or McCarty. Those guys were great role players, which I think Edelman was as well. It is not an insult to call someone a great role player. His role was to be the possession WR, make tough catches and get 1st downs, and he did a damn good job at it more often than not. Mad props to him.
-Regarding the fantasy geek thing, I have said it before and I will say it again: stats do not mean everything, but they mean something. And his numbers in the regular season simply do not stack up. He is 75th all-time in catches (despite playing in an era where receptions are higher than ever), 156th in receiving yards, and not in the top 250 in touchdown catches (the list I see ends at 250 and he was not in it). Again, stats do not count for everything, but when they are that subpar, relative to other WR's from his era who are considered HOFers or borderline HOFers, it hurts his cause.
-If you want to sum up his career and put him in the Hall of Fame on the strength of a small sample size like 19 playoff games (where he was great, no doubt), have at it, but I don't believe his playoff success is enough to overcome his pedestrian regular numbers and lack of accolades (no All-Pros, no Pro Bowls). If he had numbers in the regular season similar to fringe "they aren't quite" Hall of Famer WR's like Hines Ward, Roddy White or Jimmy Smith AND had that postseason resume, I would say he is a shoe-in. But he does not.
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Also, to add, I get your guys' passion on this. You are Patriots fans and he helped win Super Bowls for your team. I get it. If he had been a Bronco and done the same thing, I'd be defending him like you guys are. We all have a little homer in us. :)
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Also, to add, I get your guys' passion on this. You are Patriots fans and he helped win Super Bowls for your team. I get it. If he had been a Bronco and done the same thing, I'd be defending him like you guys are. We all have a little homer in us. :)
I'm only a homer in that I witnessed what he did. I'm not a honk, and football is a very distant sport for me behind hockey and baseball.
To call Edelman a role player is a bit insulting. He was CRITICAL to the Pats' success. I think that's the point you're missing. You are way underestimating just how important he was to those three Championship runs. You outsiders think Oh it must be Brady. Sure, but I mentioned Edelman saved Brady's ass countless times.
And you say that receptions are higher than ever.. I've posted the Receptions per game below. Look at the guys you listed. Only Jones and Brown are averaging more than 6 (6.3 actually)per game.
Everyone else is under 6 catches per game, and Edelman is within ONE reception of all of the rest.
Here are the numbers I crunched last night..
Rec
Fitzgerald-1432 (5.4/gm)
Jones-848 (6.3/gm)
Brown-886 (6.3/gm)
Hopkins- 747 (5.9/gm)
Green-649 (5.1/gm)
Evans- 532 (5.1/gm)
A. Johnson-1062 (5.5/gm)
Hill- 368 (5.0/gm)
Thomas-724 (5.0/gm)
C. Johnson-731 (5.4/gm)
Edelman-630 (4.6/gm)
In 17 playoff games, Edelman averaged 6.18 rec/gm
Yds
Fitzgerald- 17,492 (66/gm)
Jones- 12,892 (95/gm)
Brown-11,746 (84/gm)
Hopkins-10,009 (79/gm)
Green-9,430 (75/gm)
Evans-8,266 (78/gm)
A. Johnson- 14,185 (73/gm)
Hill-5,391 (73/gm)
Thomas-9,763 (68/gm)
C. Johnson- 11,619 (86/gm)
Edelman- 8,622 (50/gm)
In 17 playoff games Edelman averaged 75 yds/gm
Yds per Rec
Fitzgerald- 12
Jones- 15
Brown-13.3
Hopkins-13.4
Green-14.5
Evans-15.5
A. Johnson-13.4
Hill-14.7
Thomas-13.5
C. Johnson-16
Edelman-11
TDs
Fitzgerald-121
Jones-60
Brown-79
Hopkins-60
Green-65
Evans-61
A. Johnson-70
Hill-47
Thomas-63
C. Johnson-83
Edelman-36
Rings
Fitzgerald-0
Jones-0
Brown-1
Hopkins-0
Green-0
Evans-1
A. Johnson-0
Hill-1
Thomas-1
C. Johnson-0
Edelman-3
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So basically, he is at the bottom of every category, except rings, and rings has never really been a make or break thing for a WR making the HOF (unless you're Lynn Swann), so there is that.
I agree that he was critical to the Pats success. Role players often ARE critical to the success of championship teams/dynasties.
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I can see an argument for Edelman, but he is kind of a link in the Small White Guy in Boston chain of Welker-Edelman-Hogan etc. They always had that guy, though JE was the best of them.
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Well Hogan was more of a deep guy. I'd say the Edelman's spot had its roots with Troy Brown.
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If he was to get in, and I think that's not likely, it will be because of his playoff performances.
I do think it's funny that not many from this dynasty had made the HOF. So many other dynasties have multiple players to make the HOF. I wonder if it's because of free agency these days. You don't see a player with a team for a long time, Endelman excluded, that has hurt the likes of someone like Richard Seymour.
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Troy Brown...see, now THAT is a Hall of Fame player. ;)
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So basically, he is at the bottom of every category, except rings, and rings has never really been a make or break thing for a WR making the HOF (unless you're Lynn Swann), so there is that.
I agree that he was critical to the Pats success. Role players often ARE critical to the success of championship teams/dynasties.
Am I the only one here wondering how Lynn Swan is a HoFer?
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Am I the only one here wondering how Lynn Swan is a HoFer?
It took him forever to make it, and I am sure working in the media and always being a presence helped. His numbers look paltry now, but we have to remember that passing and receiving numbers were much lower back then. He did, after all, make it to three All-Pro teams (once on the 1st team) and was on the all-decade team, so I sorta get it.
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Am I the only one here wondering how Lynn Swan is a HoFer?
It took him forever to make it, and I am sure working in the media and always being a presence helped. His numbers look paltry now, but we have to remember that passing and receiving numbers were much lower back then. He did, after all, make it to three All-Pro teams (once on the 1st team) and was on the all-decade team, so I sorta get it.
Bradshaw's the one that confounds me. I could understand Swann making the Hall of Fame at the time, simply because the bar had been set much lower. Allstar receivers were always one-upping the predecessors. In 2001 that was not the case.
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Bradshaw's the one that confounds me. I could understand Swann making the Hall of Fame at the time, simply because the bar had been set much lower. Allstar receivers were always one-upping the predecessors. In 2001 that was not the case.
To make sure I am interpreting this correctly, you don't think Bradshaw should be in the HOF?
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I would say 100% he is saying that.
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If he was to get in, and I think that's not likely, it will be because of his playoff performances.
I do think it's funny that not many from this dynasty had made the HOF. So many other dynasties have multiple players to make the HOF. I wonder if it's because of free agency these days. You don't see a player with a team for a long time, Endelman excluded, that has hurt the likes of someone like Richard Seymour.
It's because the voters are like Kev.* If their stats don't help their fantasy team, then forget them. These were team players on a team that ran the fucking league for 20 years, yet they get no respect. Voters only see quantity, they don't see quality. Kev listed a bunch of receivers that won jack shit but could run really fast in a straight line. BFD.
* Not attacking YOU Kev. Well, not really.. :P
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I would say 100% he is saying that.
It's an interesting take. I never saw Bradshaw play, and he didn't stand out in his era from the looks of things, but if you win four Super Bowls as the starting QB, you are getting in the HOF.
It's because the voters are like Kev.* If their stats don't help their fantasy team, then forget them. These were team players on a team that ran the fucking league for 20 years, yet they get no respect. Voters only see quantity, they don't see quality. Kev listed a bunch of receivers that won jack shit but could run really fast in a straight line. BFD.
* Not attacking YOU Kev. Well, not really.. :P
If that is your takeaway, then you really need to go back and read what I said instead of being a homer. Yeah, yeah, you aren't a football homer, but you are sure coming off like one here.
Not attacking you, really, just saying. :P
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I saw him play but as a boy I was blinded by how amazing that team was.
As a grown up Terry was a game manager.
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I don't have a problem with Bradshaw. He QB'd a dynasty. I'm on record as saying Troy Aikman is underrated. He threw the best ball I ever saw.
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Also, not that ESPN is the ultimate decider on anything, but I checked out their edition of Around the Horn the other day where the four panelists all discussed Edelman's HOF worthiness and they all pretty much had the exact same take: "he had a great career considering where he came from, and mad props to him for that, but HOF worthy? Let's get serious." I suspect that is the stance most in the media, who vote on these things, will have on this, so I suspect I will eventually be right about this and he won't sniff the Hall. No matter, he still had a heckuva career.
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I saw that episode, and in the next segment, they drafted their fantasy teams.
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Bradshaw's the one that confounds me. I could understand Swann making the Hall of Fame at the time, simply because the bar had been set much lower. Allstar receivers were always one-upping the predecessors. In 2001 that was not the case.
To make sure I am interpreting this correctly, you don't think Bradshaw should be in the HOF?
As a product of the era I suppose it made sense, but I wouldn't consider him deserving. Particularly nowadays. He was a tough bastard playing in a tough era, and when the games got bigger he played better. Both of those points count for an awful lot in my book. Not every game is the Super Bowl, though. A passer rating of 68.5*? A completion percentage of 51.9? A TD to INT ratio of 1? Among his peers, Staubach, Kenny Anderson, Dan Fouts, Theismann, he's hanging kind of far behind. He had the good fortune to play for one of the three best defenses ever, and he had two HOF receivers and a two-headed monster backfield (everybody forgets about Rocky Bleir). I think on another team he'd be Brian Sipe.
*Officially his career average PR is 70.1, but that includes his final year where he only played two [very good] possessions adding a 133 season to his average.
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As a product of the era I suppose it made sense, but I wouldn't consider him deserving. Particularly nowadays. He was a tough bastard playing in a tough era, and when the games got bigger he played better. Both of those points count for an awful lot in my book. Not every game is the Super Bowl, though. A passer rating of 68.5*? A completion percentage of 51.9? A TD to INT ratio of 1? Among his peers, Staubach, Kenny Anderson, Dan Fouts, Theismann, he's hanging kind of far behind. He had the good fortune to play for one of the three best defenses ever, and he had two HOF receivers and a two-headed monster backfield (everybody forgets about Rocky Bleir). I think on another team he'd be Brian Sipe.
*Officially his career average PR is 70.1, but that includes his final year where he only played two [very good] possessions adding a 133 season to his average.
All fair points. I never saw him play in real time, so it's really hard for me to say. By most accounts, he wasn't as good as the other HOF QB's of his era like Staubach and Tarkenton, but won four Super Bowls. It's similar to how Aikman wasn't as good as Young or Favre in the 90's, but won three to their one (each). Some guys are just fortunate to be on stacked teams. Not taking anything away from Aikman, who was very good, but I don't think he was one of those guys who was gonna win no matter where he went.
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As a product of the era I suppose it made sense, but I wouldn't consider him deserving. Particularly nowadays. He was a tough bastard playing in a tough era, and when the games got bigger he played better. Both of those points count for an awful lot in my book. Not every game is the Super Bowl, though. A passer rating of 68.5*? A completion percentage of 51.9? A TD to INT ratio of 1? Among his peers, Staubach, Kenny Anderson, Dan Fouts, Theismann, he's hanging kind of far behind. He had the good fortune to play for one of the three best defenses ever, and he had two HOF receivers and a two-headed monster backfield (everybody forgets about Rocky Bleir). I think on another team he'd be Brian Sipe.
*Officially his career average PR is 70.1, but that includes his final year where he only played two [very good] possessions adding a 133 season to his average.
All fair points. I never saw him play in real time, so it's really hard for me to say. By most accounts, he wasn't as good as the other HOF QB's of his era like Staubach and Tarkenton, but won four Super Bowls. It's similar to how Aikman wasn't as good as Young or Favre in the 90's, but won three to their one (each). Some guys are just fortunate to be on stacked teams. Not taking anything away from Aikman, who was very good, but I don't think he was one of those guys who was gonna win no matter where he went.
But that's the circle; that's the chicken and the egg. I saw Bradshaw, Staubach and Tarkenton in real life, and was always more impressed with Bradshaw (then Staubach, then Tarkenton). It's not necessarily true, but my enduring impressions of the three are:
- Bradshaw: he was the guy that won; no teeth, no hair, dirty uniform, and something in the highlight reel that swung the game in his direction.
- Staubach: the more stately QB, didn't dirty his uniform as much, but field-marshalled his way to victories like a machine
- Tarkenton: ran around like a jack-ass most of the game, scrambling for his life, and always coming up a half-step short.
I think it's what you value, what you're looking for in the performance of your quarterback. And it's not like the Cowboys and the Vikes (who made - and lost - four Super Bowls) weren't also "stacked": The Purple People Eaters, Chuck Foreman, Paul Warfield and Ahmad Rashad. The Cowboys defense... I wouldn't overstate the teams aspect here. It's real, but it's not determinative.
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As a product of the era I suppose it made sense, but I wouldn't consider him deserving. Particularly nowadays. He was a tough bastard playing in a tough era, and when the games got bigger he played better. Both of those points count for an awful lot in my book. Not every game is the Super Bowl, though. A passer rating of 68.5*? A completion percentage of 51.9? A TD to INT ratio of 1? Among his peers, Staubach, Kenny Anderson, Dan Fouts, Theismann, he's hanging kind of far behind. He had the good fortune to play for one of the three best defenses ever, and he had two HOF receivers and a two-headed monster backfield (everybody forgets about Rocky Bleir). I think on another team he'd be Brian Sipe.
*Officially his career average PR is 70.1, but that includes his final year where he only played two [very good] possessions adding a 133 season to his average.
All fair points. I never saw him play in real time, so it's really hard for me to say. By most accounts, he wasn't as good as the other HOF QB's of his era like Staubach and Tarkenton, but won four Super Bowls.
As someone who started watching about halfway through Bradshaw's career, I think all of this is right. Bradshaw was good, but there were several guys more highly regarded: Bob Griese, Bert Jones, Archie Manning, Dan Fouts, Brian Sipe, and the aforementioned Staubach and Tarkenton were all as or more highly regarded as individual players than Bradshaw. The impact of the team around Bradshaw can't be understated. The Steelers' starting lineup in SB13 featured TEN HOFers (including Bradshaw). Five of those ten players (Bradshaw, Harris, Greene, Lambert and Blount) were around for all four of the Steelers' SB wins, and Ham, Swann and Stallworth were around for three each. In addition, the starting right guard and left tackle (Gerry Mullins and Jon Kolb), along with Rocky Bleier were around for all four wins. The most surprising thing about the late '70s Steeler teams isn't that they won 4 SBs in 6 years; rather, it's that they didn't win 6 in a row.
All that said, there's this:
if you win four Super Bowls [in six years] as the starting QB [and are the MVP in two of them], you are getting in the HOF.
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As a product of the era I suppose it made sense, but I wouldn't consider him deserving. Particularly nowadays. He was a tough bastard playing in a tough era, and when the games got bigger he played better. Both of those points count for an awful lot in my book. Not every game is the Super Bowl, though. A passer rating of 68.5*? A completion percentage of 51.9? A TD to INT ratio of 1? Among his peers, Staubach, Kenny Anderson, Dan Fouts, Theismann, he's hanging kind of far behind. He had the good fortune to play for one of the three best defenses ever, and he had two HOF receivers and a two-headed monster backfield (everybody forgets about Rocky Bleir). I think on another team he'd be Brian Sipe.
*Officially his career average PR is 70.1, but that includes his final year where he only played two [very good] possessions adding a 133 season to his average.
All fair points. I never saw him play in real time, so it's really hard for me to say. By most accounts, he wasn't as good as the other HOF QB's of his era like Staubach and Tarkenton, but won four Super Bowls. It's similar to how Aikman wasn't as good as Young or Favre in the 90's, but won three to their one (each). Some guys are just fortunate to be on stacked teams. Not taking anything away from Aikman, who was very good, but I don't think he was one of those guys who was gonna win no matter where he went.
Sometime when you want to watch one of those condensed, NFL Films football games, watch Super Bowl XIII (Dallas/Pitt 1978). It was a great game and Bradshaw almost certainly was the MVP. The great ones really pick it up when the pressure's on (Hey, isn't that John Candy?) and Terry certainly did. Like I said, though, not every game is the Super Bowl. It also says something that Terry's motivation for his entire career was the incessant bitching about how much he sucked. He gets credit for using that to his advantage, and he's said all along that it was really, really awful, but the cries were there for a reason.
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As a product of the era I suppose it made sense, but I wouldn't consider him deserving. Particularly nowadays. He was a tough bastard playing in a tough era, and when the games got bigger he played better. Both of those points count for an awful lot in my book. Not every game is the Super Bowl, though. A passer rating of 68.5*? A completion percentage of 51.9? A TD to INT ratio of 1? Among his peers, Staubach, Kenny Anderson, Dan Fouts, Theismann, he's hanging kind of far behind. He had the good fortune to play for one of the three best defenses ever, and he had two HOF receivers and a two-headed monster backfield (everybody forgets about Rocky Bleir). I think on another team he'd be Brian Sipe.
*Officially his career average PR is 70.1, but that includes his final year where he only played two [very good] possessions adding a 133 season to his average.
All fair points. I never saw him play in real time, so it's really hard for me to say. By most accounts, he wasn't as good as the other HOF QB's of his era like Staubach and Tarkenton, but won four Super Bowls. It's similar to how Aikman wasn't as good as Young or Favre in the 90's, but won three to their one (each). Some guys are just fortunate to be on stacked teams. Not taking anything away from Aikman, who was very good, but I don't think he was one of those guys who was gonna win no matter where he went.
But that's the circle; that's the chicken and the egg. I saw Bradshaw, Staubach and Tarkenton in real life, and was always more impressed with Bradshaw (then Staubach, then Tarkenton). It's not necessarily true, but my enduring impressions of the three are:
- Bradshaw: he was the guy that won; no teeth, no hair, dirty uniform, and something in the highlight reel that swung the game in his direction.
- Staubach: the more stately QB, didn't dirty his uniform as much, but field-marshalled his way to victories like a machine
- Tarkenton: ran around like a jack-ass most of the game, scrambling for his life, and always coming up a half-step short.
I think it's what you value, what you're looking for in the performance of your quarterback. And it's not like the Cowboys and the Vikes (who made - and lost - four Super Bowls) weren't also "stacked": The Purple People Eaters, Chuck Foreman, Paul Warfield and Ahmad Rashad. The Cowboys defense... I wouldn't overstate the teams aspect here. It's real, but it's not determinative.
Roger certainly did his fair share of running for his life. He was actually pretty spry for his size, and he had no qualms about dropping a shoulder and plowing through somebody. Roger's thing, though, was that he was the most competitive man alive, and that's what led to the Captain Comeback moniker. He just refused to lose. While Bradshaw was the MVP of SBXIII, Roger came pretty close to getting it himself, and it was for one of those comebacks.
My old man worked with Staubach a few times. I never met him but I sat in his suite during a Stars game. He also walked right in front of me while I was stopped at a sign. I was going to yell something out the window at him, but the second thing my old man told me about Roger, aside from the competitiveness, is that the man was just completely humorless. I figured it'd probably just piss him off. :lol
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Well Hogan was more of a deep guy. I'd say the Edelman's spot had its roots with Troy Brown.
Whoops! Meant Amendola.
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Hard to add much more to all of the Bradshaw chatter (and too much to quote :lol), and I enjoyed all of the posts. I can't say I wish I had seen him play cause that would mean I am older :P, but it's interesting to read perspective on QB's who played before the game got so QB-friendly.
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Weird thing: I had a few minutes to kill before leaving this morning before work, so I flipped the TV on for a few minutes of sports chatter and went to FS1 which was showing First Things First. The topic being discussed, shown in big letters at the bottom of the screen? What does Patrick Mahomes need to do in order to surpass Tom Brady as the GOAT?
Meanwhile, around the same time, I heard this really loud boom off in the distance, which I later read on the internet was Stadler's head exploding.
Hope he's okay...;)
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Weird thing: I had a few minutes to kill before leaving this morning before work, so I flipped the TV on for a few minutes of sports chatter and went to FS1 which was showing First Things First. The topic being discussed, shown in big letters at the bottom of the screen? What does Patrick Mahomes need to do in order to surpass Tom Brady as the GOAT?
That must have been one hell of a riveting discussion..."Ummm...play 15 more years and win six more Super Bowls." "Next topic..."
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Weird thing: I had a few minutes to kill before leaving this morning before work, so I flipped the TV on for a few minutes of sports chatter and went to FS1 which was showing First Things First. The topic being discussed, shown in big letters at the bottom of the screen? What does Patrick Mahomes need to do in order to surpass Tom Brady as the GOAT?
Meanwhile, around the same time, I heard this really loud boom off in the distance, which I later read on the internet was Stadler's head exploding.
Hope he's okay...;)
Hi, this is Waldorf, Stadler's wife. It was touch and go for a while - he kept mumbling "Jim Nantz is a douche" - but now he's okay and resting comfortably. I'll keep you updated as I learn more.
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Weird thing: I had a few minutes to kill before leaving this morning before work, so I flipped the TV on for a few minutes of sports chatter and went to FS1 which was showing First Things First. The topic being discussed, shown in big letters at the bottom of the screen? What does Patrick Mahomes need to do in order to surpass Tom Brady as the GOAT?
That must have been one hell of a riveting discussion..."Ummm...play 15 more years and win six more Super Bowls." "Next topic..."
No shit; that shouldn't even be a question for at least five more years, even speculatively.
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Can we get on with the draft already? Draft talk blows.
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Can we get on with the draft already? Draft talk blows.
And so do mock drafts. They're accurate for 2 rounds, and then all bets are off. I think I know who NE wants at QB, and I think if it can be done efficiently they will trade up for him, but I wouldn't bet 20˘ that it actually happens. Way too many moving parts. Talking heads gotta keep talking.
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Mock drafts and Bracketology are the bane of sports talk radio.
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Mock drafts and Bracketology are the bane of sports talk radio.
Sports talk radio is the bane of radio.
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Can we get on with the draft already? Draft talk blows.
And so do mock drafts. They're accurate for 2 rounds, and then all bets are off. I think I know who NE wants at QB, and I think if it can be done efficiently they will trade up for him, but I wouldn't bet 20˘ that it actually happens. Way too many moving parts. Talking heads gotta keep talking.
The NFL is my favorite sport right now (maybe NASCAR; I know, I know, don't judge) and I have ZERO interest in the draft. The only draft I ever pay any attention to is the college hoops draft, and that's ONLY - 100% only - because I'm interested in any Uconn players getting selected.
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:D or maybe sports talk radio is the bane of sports.
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Weird thing: I had a few minutes to kill before leaving this morning before work, so I flipped the TV on for a few minutes of sports chatter and went to FS1 which was showing First Things First. The topic being discussed, shown in big letters at the bottom of the screen? What does Patrick Mahomes need to do in order to surpass Tom Brady as the GOAT?
Meanwhile, around the same time, I heard this really loud boom off in the distance, which I later read on the internet was Stadler's head exploding.
Hope he's okay...;)
Hi, this is Waldorf, Stadler's wife. It was touch and go for a while - he kept mumbling "Jim Nantz is a douche" - but now he's okay and resting comfortably. I'll keep you updated as I learn more.
:lol :lol, keep us posted!! ;)
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:D or maybe sports talk radio is the bane of sports.
Sports talk radio is the bane of every fucking thing under the sun. It's syphilis and gonorrhea all rolled into one.
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Can we get on with the draft already? Draft talk blows.
I might have more interested in this pre-draft and draft stuff if I followed minor league (aka college) football. I don't know who any of these kids are. Have the draft, tell me if the Broncos got anyone good, and then leave me alone so I can pay attention to the Stanley Cup playoffs and baseball for a few months.
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That RB the Broncos took last night is supposedly awesome, so we will see how that turns out.
The more that comes out, the more I think Rodgers will either get traded or retire (if they refuse to trade him). I don't see him playing for the Packers again. They are basically a clown franchise at this point, but it's been disguised for 30 years. How do you luck into 30 years of Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers and only make it to three Super Bowls?? :lol And they can't even use the "But the Patriots dynasty..." as an excuse since they were in the other conference. Clowns. Not that I don't think Rodgers is a condescending dick, but I don't blame him for wanting to get away from that franchise now.
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I think this one is supposed to be locked now since we have the new one, right? If not, PM me and let me know I screwed up.