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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: MetalJunkie on June 25, 2011, 01:00:24 PM
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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/cars-2/
This can't be possible. It's fucking Pixar.
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I believe the original Cars was their lowest rated film on RT. While I'll still see it and probably enjoy it, I'm not surprised it's not doing well (though audience rating is currently more than double the critic rating).
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Wow, this is a bit sad actually! I believe that's never happened.
Then again, I can't say that I'm horribly shocked, simply slightly shocked. I honestly couldn't imagine Cars being remade and having it go super well for them in the first place. The first was a pretty fun film, though certainly one of their weakest in terms of depth, and it would have been quite alright as a stand-alone. Conversely, I'm surprised that even Pixar couldn't have made it work. I was expecting more in the 70-percent approval range like the last. But, of course, I wouldn't be surprised if they've worn out their car-related jokes, I think the first one just about covered it in that world. They've got a number of other films which I think deserved sequel treatment more than this one.
Nevertheless, still love them to death. Let's hope this ends up being just "that one" clunker.
(though audience rating is currently more than double the critic rating).
Well, I'm afraid to say that's pretty common. Say, Tranformers 2 is nearly quadruple in that respect. To me that's enough for reasonable distrust in the audience opinion.
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The first cars was total crap so I'm not surprised to see the sequel is even worse.
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Whatever possessed them to make a Cars 2 in the first place?
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Whatever possessed them to make a Cars 2 in the first place?
The billions of dollars they made in merchandise?
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I never saw the first Cars, but any trust I have in Pixar was overwhelmed by "this is a sequel featuring the voice acting talents of Larry the Cable Guy", didn't think Cars 2 would go over very well.
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I believe the original Cars was their lowest rated film on RT.
It was still 74%.
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I'm one of the few who liked Cars 1. But yeah, making a sequel seemed totally superfluous. Will still watch it, but my expectations are not very high.
rumborak
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The first cars was total crap so I'm not surprised to see the sequel is even worse.
I can't really see it being "total crap." Sub-par compared to the other amazing work in Pixar's catalog? Yeah, I'll give it that, but not total crap. No way. I thought it was still enjoyable.
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It's their own fault for deciding to make a sequel for their worst film.
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It's their own fault for deciding to make a sequel for their worst film.
I didn't know Pixar made A Bug's Life 2.
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It's their own fault for deciding to make a sequel for their worst film.
I didn't know Pixar made A Bug's Life 2.
A Bug's Life is not that bad, Cars on the other hand it's HORRIBLE.
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wow
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No one has a perfect career. Except for darren aranofsky so far.
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I always kinda felt like mater was a gimmick character from the beginning, and it seems from the critic reviews they agree making him the main character brought the movie down instead of making it better. Still though, it seems like it will be financially successful and I doubt Pixar will make the same mistakes again.
Also, this reviewer pointed out something interesting:
Not every Pixar feature needs to be deeply profound or lead you to the brink of tears for it to be a worthwhile experience. What's so wrong with just having a blast at the movies? Most of the time that's all my inner-child needs.
Maybe my own expectations are just too high.
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I'm gonna rehash, but:
Never saw the first one because I knew it was not going to be good.
Won't see this one because I knew (and turns out I was right) it was going to blow.
Everything else Pixar has done ranges from great to supergreat.
If Cars 2 gets them more money to make their good movies, I'm fine with it.
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This movie was doomed to fail. First off, it's a sequel to the worst-received Pixar film, which was a dumb move to begin with. Second, coming off the hinges of 3 cinematic masterpieces (Wall-E, Up, and Toy Story 3) which all got immense, universal critical acclaim, a movie that isn't on par with those just isn't going to fare as well.
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Hmmm, you know what?
It's probably a good thing they made Cars 2.
If they tried to make a good movie, it would probably still pale in comparison to those previous three films.
Cars 2 kind of cleansed our pallet.
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No one has a perfect career. Except for darren aranofsky so far.
nah, he made Black Swan
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As I said in the movie thread. This film was probably made for the sake of profiting off the merchandise associated with it. Why else would they make a sequel of their least popular film? Because there are a lot of 5 year old boys in America that will get their moms to buy them a Lightning McQueen racecar toy. I don't think Pixar intended for this film to be that good.
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I agree with you on the making money part, but that last sentence, not so much.
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The first cars was total crap so I'm not surprised to see the sequel is even worse.
I can't really see it being "total crap." Sub-par compared to the other amazing work in Pixar's catalog? Yeah, I'll give it that, but not total crap. No way. I thought it was still enjoyable.
This completely. The first one is a fun and enjoyable film, and the hate it seems to get is just ridiculous. I'm expecting the same to be the case for the sequel.
It's not even out for another month anyway, so the snobby critics can go shove it, I'll wait to see what people think when it actually gets released.
Well, I'm afraid to say that's pretty common. Say, Tranformers 2 is nearly quadruple in that respect. To me that's enough for reasonable distrust in the audience opinion.
Interesting thinking, but not something I can relate to at all. I'm an audience member, not a critic. Therefore I trust the opinions of movie-goers and film-lovers a lot more than those of people who are paid to pick holes in things.
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It's not even out for another month anyway, so the snobby critics can go shove it, I'll wait to see what people think when it actually gets released.
It was released in the US, I'm pretty sure. :P
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Oh right. That RT link says July 22nd worldwide.
EDIT: Hmm, you're right, that's just the UK release date. Perhaps RT and IMDB display it that way as default to me because I'm in the UK.
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Pixar as a whole is starting to wane with me. Their premises are solid, the art style and animation are always top notch, their actual storytelling is fantastic but they've been pounding the same basic formula of "stick with your friends through the end" over and over. Not to sound like a crotchety old guy but that kind of mush made the majority of both Up and Toy Story 3 kinda boring and predictable. Still solid movies but more in a interesting animation kinda way than a great story kind of way. Wouldn't shock me if this movie wasn't really up to par but as has been pointed out it's all about the merchandise. I do really hope Brave kicks some serious ass, though.
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Not too surprised, I feel like when they started making Mater or whatever his name almost as important as the main character, the movie didn't have as much as a chance.
Pixar's stuff up until this has been pretty spot on, and I'm sure this isn't the beginning of the end or anything. Cars wasn't a fantastic, groundbreaking movie, it was just a fun family film, something I'm sure this one is, too. Either way, I wouldn't worry about the company or their movie-making quality at all.
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Look, I liked Cars 1 a lot, and I haven't seen Cars 2, but this isn't rocket science - the premise sucks. Mater (played by Larry the Cable Guy) as the main character in an espionage movie? How's that's supposed to work? Especially given that the trailer implies that he isn't fully competent at the job. So why do we want to root for him? Also, it sounds basic, but as an audience member I want to see what Lightning McQueen has been up to since he became a big racer and what he's doing. Mater's the sidekick, I don't have an overwhelming need to see him in the main plot.
No amount of good execution can save a plot with that much working against it.
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Wait, Mater is the main character in the movie? Yeah, that could get rather annoying after a while. He was fun as the slightly retarded hick sidekick, but I can't see how he can carry a whole movie.
rumborak
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No one has a perfect career. Except for darren aranofsky so far.
nah, he made Black Swan
You broke my heart, axe, you broke my heart.
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No one has a perfect career. Except for darren aranofsky so far.
nah, he made Black Swan
You broke my heart, axe, you broke my heart.
At least Black Swan didn't break his perfect streak.
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No one has a perfect career. Except for darren aranofsky so far.
nah, he made Black Swan
EXCUSE ME? That was a modern masterpiece.
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Honestly, Pixar broke their streak when they made Cars 1. It was their first film that was strictly a children's film rather than a family film.
That said, they made over $5 billion on 'Cars' merchandising, so it's not the least bit surprising that they made a sequel. As long as they keep making films like Up and Wall-E, I don't mind them having the occasional massive payday like this.
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No one has a perfect career. Except for darren aranofsky so far.
nah, he made Black Swan
:rollin
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No one has a perfect career. Except for darren aranofsky so far.
nah, he made Black Swan
I demand you cease to exist.
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Cars was utter crap in the first place.
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It's their own fault for deciding to make a sequel for their worst film.
I didn't know Pixar made A Bug's Life 2.
Didn't someone post recently that they actually were going to make this?
No one has a perfect career. Except for darren aranofsky so far.
nah, he made Black Swan
I will fuck you up.
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It's their own fault for deciding to make a sequel for their worst film.
I didn't know Pixar made A Bug's Life 2.
Didn't someone post recently that they actually were going to make this?
Good god, I hope not.
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A Bug's Life is my favorite Pixar film.
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I understand how you feel, I think St. Anger is the raddest shit Metallica ever shat. Some of us just can't catch a break when it comes to taste.
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Cars was pretty boring. But maybe that's because Owen Wilson can't carry even an animated movie. But what do I know? I'm just a stupid grown up.
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Cars was perfectly serviceable.
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:clap:
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Cars and A Bug's Life are defintiely the weaker films from Pixar, but they're still fun and enjoyable. It amuses me when people call them "utter crap" and so on. :lol
But yeah, as much as I'm sure I'll enjoy Cars 2, it does seem a shame to go for something more run-of-the-mill after their latest 3 films were probably the best they've ever made.
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It will be interesting to see how Pixar responds to this. Based on every interview I've seen about their company, they have an extraordinary degree of honesty and collaboration in their company. They've used this to make sure their work is assessed as accurately as possible, which in the past has lead to multiple great movies. Now that they've made an artistic failure, will they apply the same level of openness and honesty to understanding where they failed and making sure it happened again? Or will they act like everyone else is wrong and they're right?
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I'd say it's a little early to be calling it an "artistic failure". None of us have even seen it yet.
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I'd say it's a little early to be calling it an "artistic failure". None of us have even seen it yet.
It's hard for me to ignore a 34% critic rating, but what you're saying is still fair. It's not like I haven't disagreed with critics before.
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How does that critic rating work? Is it an average rating or percentage of them who thought it was good?
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How does that critic rating work? Is it an average rating or percentage of them who thought it was good?
No. All critic ratings are really just comprised of Roger Ebert spouting old man talk at a piece of paper, with spit flying out of his mouth frequently because his denchers are loose and because he's so disgruntled that negro men were probably given the right in making the film come into fruition.
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How does that critic rating work? Is it an average rating or percentage of them who thought it was good?
The latter.
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Cool, thought so.
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I don't know how you guys don't like Cars. I loved the first and will see the second soon.
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I don't know how you guys don't like Cars.
Agree, though it's not as good as some of the other Pixar movies it's better then a fair share of movies out there.
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Cars is not a bad movie at all, it's quite good in fact. But that's the problem, it's quite good. Not great. We've all gotten used to Pixar throwing out masterpieces here and there. I don't know what it is but when I watch Cars, it feels like Dreamworks made it with all the cultural references and popular music. It doesn't have that special Pixar-vibe to it. I also don't understand why they make a sequel to the worst Pixar film to date. They should have done a sequel to The Incredibles instead. Huge "replay-value" there.
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RATATOUILLE <3
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How does that critic rating work? Is it an average rating or percentage of them who thought it was good?
No. All critic ratings are really just comprised of Roger Ebert spouting old man talk at a piece of paper, with spit flying out of his mouth frequently because his denchers are loose and because he's so disgruntled that negro men were probably given the right in making the film come into fruition.
Ironic, considering he was one of the few who absolutely loved the film.
https://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110622/REVIEWS/110629995
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RATATOUILLE <3
That one was also good.
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How does that critic rating work? Is it an average rating or percentage of them who thought it was good?
No. All critic ratings are really just comprised of Roger Ebert spouting old man talk at a piece of paper, with spit flying out of his mouth frequently because his denchers are loose and because he's so disgruntled that negro men were probably given the right in making the film come into fruition.
Ironic, considering he was one of the few who absolutely loved the film.
https://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110622/REVIEWS/110629995
He claimed that A Clockwork Orange was crap. His opinions are completely disregarded from that point on.
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Cars wasn't bad, but it was my least favorite Pixar film as well. Cars 2 is going to be one of the only Pixar films I will not see in theaters.
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How does that critic rating work? Is it an average rating or percentage of them who thought it was good?
The latter.
The average rating is also included towards the bottom, which was 5.5/10 the last time I looked. Which means the ones who did like it liked it more than those who disliked it disliked it.
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How does that critic rating work? Is it an average rating or percentage of them who thought it was good?
No. All critic ratings are really just comprised of Roger Ebert spouting old man talk at a piece of paper, with spit flying out of his mouth frequently because his denchers are loose and because he's so disgruntled that negro men were probably given the right in making the film come into fruition.
Ironic, considering he was one of the few who absolutely loved the film.
https://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110622/REVIEWS/110629995
He claimed that A Clockwork Orange was crap. His opinions are completely disregarded from that point on.
Whenever I disagree with someone on a subject that is completely subjective, I ignore them them for the rest of my life.
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Lat's being facetious. ;)
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Or maybe he's doing his Numbers impersonation?
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Hell, it could be either one. :lol
But seriously. A Bug's Life. That movie is amazing. Just about anyone can identify with Flick. And at the end when all the ants finally stand up to the grasshoppers and start kicking some ass...what a badass scene. That whole movie is incredible, funny, beautiful, and inspiring. Anyone who doesn't like it...is a communist or something.
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I went to see the movie this weekend - it was my 3 year old's first trip to the theater. He had a good time. It was a good experience (sat in the big chair with his own popcorn/soda - got the full experience). We made it through about 2/3 of the movie before he wanted to leave (not because of the movie, but because he is 3 - attention spans are a bitch). He absolutely loved the first one and he seemed to really like this one.
As far as the movie itself goes, it's pretty good for what it is. The action scenes were done really well and the dialog is kinda funny. I'll probably get it on blu-ray when it comes out regardless and I'm sure I'll probably spend at least $100 in merchandising (toys, shirts at Target, etc...). So I guess their plan worked.
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Or maybe he's doing his Numbers impersonation?
No seriously, Roger Ebert has some of the worst opinions ever.
/rageopinionrawrbutwholes
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Or maybe he's doing his Numbers impersonation?
No seriously, Roger Ebert has some of the worst opinions ever.
/rageopinionrawrbutwholes
Maybe you two are related.
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Or maybe he's doing his Numbers impersonation?
No seriously, Roger Ebert has some of the worst opinions ever.
/rageopinionrawrbutwholes
BUT VIDEO GAMES AREN'T ART. WHY CAN'T YOU LISTEN TO EBERT'S INFINITE WISDOM AND UNDERSTAND THAT. VIDEOS GAMES AREN'T AND CAN NEVER BE ART. OH WAIT I CHANGED MY OPINION BECAUSE I STILL WANT TO BE RELEVANT AND COOL AND THE WHOLE WORLD THINGS I'M WRONG. EVERYTHING KOOL? K THANKS. BTW CARS TWO IS A CLASSIC MOVIE. DUUUUURRRR
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I felt, unlike most of the other Pixar movies, that Cars was basically just a kids movie. There wasn't the usual artistic depth we're used to seeing from Pixar films. I expect the same from Cars 2. I'm sure it will be a great kids movie without much there for the adults.
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How does that critic rating work? Is it an average rating or percentage of them who thought it was good?
No. All critic ratings are really just comprised of Roger Ebert spouting old man talk at a piece of paper, with spit flying out of his mouth frequently because his denchers are loose and because he's so disgruntled that negro men were probably given the right in making the film come into fruition.
Interestingly enough, he's one of the few that liked the movie.
https://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110622/REVIEWS/110629995
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How does that critic rating work? Is it an average rating or percentage of them who thought it was good?
No. All critic ratings are really just comprised of Roger Ebert spouting old man talk at a piece of paper, with spit flying out of his mouth frequently because his denchers are loose and because he's so disgruntled that negro men were probably given the right in making the film come into fruition.
Ironic, considering he was one of the few who absolutely loved the film.
https://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110622/REVIEWS/110629995
(https://www.comingsoon.net/gallery/12593/dejavuonesheet.jpg)
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Count me in the group that thinks Cars wasn't that bad, just not as substantive as most Pixar films. Wasn't planning on seeing the sequel in theaters anyway.
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How does that critic rating work? Is it an average rating or percentage of them who thought it was good?
No. All critic ratings are really just comprised of Roger Ebert spouting old man talk at a piece of paper, with spit flying out of his mouth frequently because his denchers are loose and because he's so disgruntled that negro men were probably given the right in making the film come into fruition.
Ironic, considering he was one of the few who absolutely loved the film.
https://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110622/REVIEWS/110629995
(https://www.comingsoon.net/gallery/12593/dejavuonesheet.jpg)
Well I just failed. I'm not down to the depths of icy and numbers yet, am I?
:(
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i hated cars.
i thought the first one sucked.
well
it was okay
but not as good as the classics
like toy story
that was amazing.
i thin kit's sad that pixar is going
so far down hill. :/
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First, what's with the lame typing style again?
Also, wat? Claiming that they are going downhill when their last 3 films are arguably their best makes no sense.
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Also, wat? Claiming that they are going downhill when their last 3 films are arguably their best makes no sense.
+1000
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i hated cars.
i thought the first one sucked.
well
it was okay
but not as good as the classics
like toy story
that was amazing.
i thin kit's sad that pixar is going
so far down hill. :/
>Sees last few posts
>(https://i.imgur.com/0IP44.jpg)
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First, what's with the lame typing style again?
Also, wat? Claiming that they are going downhill when their last 3 films are arguably their best makes no sense.
there last three films
were not there best.
toy story fwtw.
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First, what's with the lame typing style again?
Also, wat? Claiming that they are going downhill when their last 3 films are arguably their best makes no sense.
there last three films
were not there best.
toy story fwtw.
Maybe you should take a break from the magic.
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First, what's with the lame typing style again?
Also, wat? Claiming that they are going downhill when their last 3 films are arguably their best makes no sense.
there last three films
were not there best.
toy story fwtw.
I don't agree icy. UP & TS3 were great.
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Maybe Cars 2 sucked because Pixar was working on something good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYg0VgPy6Uk
Let's hope.
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Maybe Cars 2 sucked because Pixar was working on something good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYg0VgPy6Uk
Let's hope.
wow, I thought that was going to have some silly thing at the end like the bear going "don't shoot me durr hurr" in a dumb voice, but it actually looks pretty cool
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Maybe Cars 2 sucked because Pixar was working on something good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYg0VgPy6Uk
Let's hope.
aweeeeeeeeeeeesome
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I'm one of the few who liked Cars 1.
I thought it was great. :guido:
But yeah, making a sequel seemed totally superfluous.
Well...but...FINE! *pouts*
Pixar as a whole is starting to wane with me.
Seriously, do you actually like anything?
First, what's with the lame typing style again?
Also, wat? Claiming that they are going downhill when their last 3 films are arguably their best makes no sense.
there last three films
were not there best.
toy story fwtw.
Maybe you should take a break from the magic.
Maybe I could just make his posts...vanish.
:lhk:
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Maybe Cars 2 sucked because Pixar was working on something good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYg0VgPy6Uk
Let's hope.
That looks way better than sequels
*waits patiently*
:corn
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Pixar as a whole is starting to wane with me.
Seriously, do you actually like anything?
Not loving everything does not mean I don't like anything. I give praises to a ton of things, you just clearly don't pay enough attention. In fact most people around here seem to be known for the stuff they don't like and whenever they say something good about something people just nod and agree and forget about it. Aside from easy stuff like Chino liking Avatar and MetalJunkie liking Ghostbusters the most well known posters would be able to identify other posters on stuff they infamously don't like.
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I see Orcus say positive things about stuff every so often. But when he does, I do a double take and have to re-read the post to make sure I read it right. :lol
Bosk, I've called Orcus out on it before and he made a good point. The expression of negative opinions (rather than positive ones) tends to create a greater depth of discussion, which is after all why forums exist to begin with. Admittedly, Orcus' constant negativity used to piss me off. But it doesn't anymore. Now I think of him as DTF's lovable negative nancy.
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I'm really not as negative as you guys like to play it off as but I guess it's human nature to assign extremes to certain people based on first impressions.
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You've been around long enough (as have I) that it goes WAY beyond a first impression. But I find it telling that you seem to think the negative things about people are the most memorable, and that you, yourself, are incredibly negative the majority of the time you post. I don't think that's a coincidence. (and, yes, I definitely can associate more people on this forum with their likes than with their dislikes) But anyway, the thread isn't about your negativity. I was mostly just horsing around when I posted that, and not intending to get into an orcus psychoanalysis.
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Whatever you say, chief.
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orcus psychoanalysis.
*writes that down on my "future possible band names" list*
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orcus psychoanalysis.
*writes that down on my "future possible band names" list*
*edits post*
orcus psychoanalysis.TM
Okay, go ahead now. :biggrin:
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I don't think there is a pixar movie that I dislike. I don't think I've seen them all though.
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orcus psychoanalysis.
*writes that down on my "future possible band names" list*
*edits post*
orcus psychoanalysis.TM
Okay, go ahead now. :biggrin:
Such a lawyer. :P