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« Reply #2275 on: July 10, 2023, 02:11:26 PM »
I think that's a nice little touch if Mark and Slash did something together like that.  Sort of brings the entire family full circle, so to speak.

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« Reply #2276 on: July 10, 2023, 02:31:45 PM »

In actual AB-related thoughts, I'm planning on going to the show in Grand Rapids as people may have read here.  Going to go to Grand Rapids on a Friday, take a train to Chicago the next day, and go watch a live show of a comedy podcast I listen to on the regular.

Enjoy Grand Rapids. I've been very discouraged by AB's setlist choices. Very safe and sterile.

re: Where to put the post, I would have put it in the Tremonti section. Not much to do with AB.
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« Reply #2277 on: July 27, 2023, 07:42:04 AM »
Mark Tremonti's socials show some spoilers for the next leg . . . I'm PSYCHED to see this tune live, it's become a top 5 AB song for me - cannot wait for the show in August!!

edit - purposely didn't name the song in case anyone is avoiding spoilers. 

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« Reply #2278 on: July 27, 2023, 08:06:48 AM »
For fuck's sake, of course they wait until the last leg of the fucking tour to play this, which is probably the tune off the record most folks have wanted to here.  :censored

I was contemplating taking the fam to one last show on this tour (we've gone to four), but none of the dates work. School, work commitments, etc. They are nowhere near us, so we'd need to travel - and would, for this particular song. But none of the shows work for us.

Edit - fuck it. I figured one gig out. Even if they don't play that song in question (I really hope they do, and it's a permanent resident in the setlist for this leg) the fact that Sevendust is on the bill makes it worth it for us.

This will make FIVE times seeing AB and Mammoth on this tour. I seriously hope the setlists for both get an overhaul. Fingers crossed.
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« Reply #2279 on: July 27, 2023, 10:23:18 AM »
Can one of you PM me with the changes?  I went on social media, but I'm a neanderthal and all I saw was Mark's upcoming Christmas album...

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« Reply #2280 on: July 27, 2023, 10:31:42 AM »
Mark Tremonti's socials show some spoilers for the next leg . . . I'm PSYCHED to see this tune live, it's become a top 5 AB song for me - cannot wait for the show in August!!

edit - purposely didn't name the song in case anyone is avoiding spoilers.

I too would like the PM.  Mark's Twitter account got hacked and as Stadler stated, the only thing I see on his facebook page of note is his upcoming Christmas album (yes, after being inspired by doing his Tremonti Sings Sinatra album, he's going the next step and doing a Christmas album with the people he worked with the Sinatra album).

Edit: Found something on his Instagram.  Oh please, play this song in Grand Rapids.

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« Reply #2281 on: July 27, 2023, 11:17:42 AM »
For fuck's sake, of course they wait until the last leg of the fucking tour to play this, which is probably the tune off the record most folks have wanted to here.  :censored

I was contemplating taking the fam to one last show on this tour (we've gone to four), but none of the dates work. School, work commitments, etc. They are nowhere near us, so we'd need to travel - and would, for this particular song. But none of the shows work for us.

Edit - fuck it. I figured one gig out. Even if they don't play that song in question (I really hope they do, and it's a permanent resident in the setlist for this leg) the fact that Sevendust is on the bill makes it worth it for us.

This will make FIVE times seeing AB and Mammoth on this tour. I seriously hope the setlists for both get an overhaul. Fingers crossed.

That's dedication, glad to hear you're going to make it to see the changes (hopefully more than just that one).  PMs sent to those who requested

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« Reply #2282 on: July 27, 2023, 11:24:53 AM »
I mean, seeing that song, in the same setlist as the one we just got, would make the trip. AB/7D has been a combo my wife and I (and now our daughter) have wanted since AB became a band. I was so pissed that the spring leg was short. And this fall leg, it's really bad timing. But we made it happen. We wanted to do two shows, a Saturday/Sunday combo. But to do that, my daughter would have to miss a full day of school her first week back, and part of the Monday on her second week. Just not going to work. So we're just doing the Sunday show, and leaving some time in the city to sightsee. Flights booked, tickets purchased, hotel room booked and rental car secured.

Not sure we'll ever travel like this again for AB. But this one last time is worth it, particularly if that song is played every night. I hope for a more varied setlist too, but I'd simply be happy with that one song, and then obviously 7D being the direct support.

edit - Awaken - not necessarily dedication. I had said after the four show run this past spring that my fam and I were done traveling for AB because of the sterile setlists. But our daughter has become a big fan, and wants to see Sevendust. But we have a rule - no GA (except in certain situations) for metal shows. Well, now 7D touring with AB, and we can have seats (albeit in the back), so we want to give her that experience. So that played a role.

I mean, don't get me wrong, my wife and I are hardcore fans of Alter Bridge, and of Sevendust. But AB has been a let down on this tour not varying up the sets, and 7D has become pretty stale too. So I am praying we get the song from AB we want to see, and hoping both bands vary it up.
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« Reply #2283 on: July 27, 2023, 05:53:34 PM »
I had no idea Mark Tremonti did Sinatra songs until it showed up last week on Blabbermouth.  We watched the clip, which was from a venue very local to us, and my wife was mad that we never heard about it.  We would have gone to see that - she loves Mark and Sinatra.  He sounds amazing doing that stuff too!

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« Reply #2284 on: July 28, 2023, 07:42:00 AM »
I had no idea Mark Tremonti did Sinatra songs until it showed up last week on Blabbermouth.  We watched the clip, which was from a venue very local to us, and my wife was mad that we never heard about it.  We would have gone to see that - she loves Mark and Sinatra.  He sounds amazing doing that stuff too!

He does. I have the Sinatra record he did. Really good. If it ever gets local to me, I'm there.
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Re: The Official Alter Bridge Thread v. PAWNS & KINGS
« Reply #2285 on: August 01, 2023, 11:08:32 AM »
Hey, any Alter Bridge fans from Texas here? I have three tickets to the Sunday, 8/20 show at the Boeing Center at Tech Port. Turns out we can't go. The tickets are through etix, so I'd have to forward you the email. Looking to just get rid of all three tickets (cost me $285) and happy to part with them to someone here at DTF for $200 total.

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« Reply #2286 on: August 01, 2023, 12:42:15 PM »
Hey, any Alter Bridge fans from Texas here? I have three tickets to the Sunday, 8/20 show at the Boeing Center at Tech Port. Turns out we can't go. The tickets are through etix, so I'd have to forward you the email. Looking to just get rid of all three tickets (cost me $285) and happy to part with them to someone here at DTF for $200 total.

PM me if interested.

I can't take the tickets, but I am sorry to hear your plans fell through... 

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« Reply #2287 on: August 01, 2023, 01:00:15 PM »
Thanks, Stads. Partly my fault for trying to shoehorn something in, and partly stuff out of my control.
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« Reply #2288 on: August 05, 2023, 12:32:27 AM »
Well, they've done it.  They played Fable of the Silent Son live today in West Virginia.  It may be about 80 shows in this album tour and this tour feels like it's winding down since it's the B markets tour in the states, but at least, there's no, uhhhh, what ifs and wondering what the song is like live.  I really hope they play this in Grand Rapids.  Not going to be disappointed if they don't though.

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« Reply #2289 on: August 07, 2023, 09:23:19 AM »
That was really good. Wish we could make the San Antonio show we planned to go to, but we just can't.

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« Reply #2290 on: August 07, 2023, 10:53:45 AM »
Seeing them at Foxwoods in Conn, on Saturday.  It's in a casino.  Can't wait. 
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« Reply #2291 on: August 07, 2023, 01:41:39 PM »
Seeing them at Foxwoods in Conn, on Saturday.  It's in a casino.  Can't wait.


Dammit.  I'm going to be in Cross Plains, otherwise I'd meet you (there are other people from here going too). 

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« Reply #2292 on: August 07, 2023, 02:05:12 PM »
Staying at a bed and breakfast after and then going to Fox Farm Brewery. 
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« Reply #2293 on: August 08, 2023, 04:22:37 AM »
Seeing them at Foxwoods in Conn, on Saturday.  It's in a casino.  Can't wait.

Also looking forward to the show at Foxwoods!  We decided to splurge and stay over, was just saying how nice it will be to just head up the elevator after the show to crash vs. driving an hour home.  We're seeing Incubus at Mohegan Sun the next night so will be easier to just hang out in the area vs. all the driving. 

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« Reply #2294 on: August 08, 2023, 11:33:36 PM »
I caved. I got the VIP upgrade for the Grand Rapids show. I figured after they played Fable of the Silent Son four shows in a row, it should be here to stay for the rest of the tour. Might as well be in a rail spot for that for what could be the final AB show I may see in two or so years before everyone goes off and does other things.

I really wish Mammoth WVH would be on that Grand Rapids show, but they will be in Inglewood opening for Metallica (which is a bummer that the LA part of Metallica's tour is the same weekend I'm out of town since I don't know when's the next time Metallica will be in the LA area).

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« Reply #2295 on: August 09, 2023, 09:08:14 AM »
Seeing them at Foxwoods in Conn, on Saturday.  It's in a casino.  Can't wait.

Also looking forward to the show at Foxwoods!  We decided to splurge and stay over, was just saying how nice it will be to just head up the elevator after the show to crash vs. driving an hour home.  We're seeing Incubus at Mohegan Sun the next night so will be easier to just hang out in the area vs. all the driving.

Nice, just saw Incubus last night

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« Reply #2296 on: August 09, 2023, 11:22:55 AM »
Seeing them at Foxwoods in Conn, on Saturday.  It's in a casino.  Can't wait.

Also looking forward to the show at Foxwoods!  We decided to splurge and stay over, was just saying how nice it will be to just head up the elevator after the show to crash vs. driving an hour home.  We're seeing Incubus at Mohegan Sun the next night so will be easier to just hang out in the area vs. all the driving.

Nice, just saw Incubus last night

Haven't heard the best things about Brandon's vocals these days.  What did you think?  Time to go down the cramx3 youtube rabbit hole . . . .

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« Reply #2297 on: August 09, 2023, 11:47:34 AM »
Seeing them at Foxwoods in Conn, on Saturday.  It's in a casino.  Can't wait.

Also looking forward to the show at Foxwoods!  We decided to splurge and stay over, was just saying how nice it will be to just head up the elevator after the show to crash vs. driving an hour home.  We're seeing Incubus at Mohegan Sun the next night so will be easier to just hang out in the area vs. all the driving.

Nice, just saw Incubus last night

Haven't heard the best things about Brandon's vocals these days.  What did you think?  Time to go down the cramx3 youtube rabbit hole . . . .

I only recorded one song, Echo, from last night and he's not great on it  :lol (I have to edit the rest of my clips later tonight) Brandon's vocals have been poor for awhile, nothing new.  He's really not a huge issue for me though. Kind of like the JLB thing.  I'd rather have the original singer with some issues than someone else.  Generally though, the show was good.  My bigger issue is them playing the same songs every tour.  They haven't been making new music and they stay away from playing a lot of the newer stuff so it's all the same old "classics". It's getting a bit tiring for me at this point. Only two different songs from last year. The biggest draw for going last night was that they played outdoors at a venue they never played before (but it's only 30 minutes away from where they normally play, so it's definitely the same local area).

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« Reply #2298 on: August 09, 2023, 11:52:17 AM »
Man, I was the in 18 or 19 and he sounded good. Us this recent?
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« Reply #2299 on: August 09, 2023, 12:11:44 PM »
Man, I was the in 18 or 19 and he sounded good. Us this recent?

He wasn't great in 2019 either.  But he's not THAT bad.  He's just not consistent. And yes, my comment was recent as the show was last night. If you go to their reddit, it's not that different than DT's with the complaints.

https://youtu.be/H35u1twDEXU?t=27 first verse of Echo, I'm not the biggest complainer, but some seem to really not like his performances anymore (ala JLB).

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« Reply #2300 on: August 10, 2023, 06:02:56 AM »
Seeing them at Foxwoods in Conn, on Saturday.  It's in a casino.  Can't wait.

Also looking forward to the show at Foxwoods!  We decided to splurge and stay over, was just saying how nice it will be to just head up the elevator after the show to crash vs. driving an hour home.  We're seeing Incubus at Mohegan Sun the next night so will be easier to just hang out in the area vs. all the driving.

Nice, just saw Incubus last night

Haven't heard the best things about Brandon's vocals these days.  What did you think?  Time to go down the cramx3 youtube rabbit hole . . . .

I only recorded one song, Echo, from last night and he's not great on it  :lol (I have to edit the rest of my clips later tonight) Brandon's vocals have been poor for awhile, nothing new.  He's really not a huge issue for me though. Kind of like the JLB thing.  I'd rather have the original singer with some issues than someone else.  Generally though, the show was good.  My bigger issue is them playing the same songs every tour.  They haven't been making new music and they stay away from playing a lot of the newer stuff so it's all the same old "classics". It's getting a bit tiring for me at this point. Only two different songs from last year. The biggest draw for going last night was that they played outdoors at a venue they never played before (but it's only 30 minutes away from where they normally play, so it's definitely the same local area).

That's what I was hoping, cause the JLB complaints don't seem to bother me all that much.  The only reason I asked is that I pay way more attention to vocal melodies with bands like Incubus than DT.  I haven't seen the setlist yet but hearing Dig live would be the cherry on top of this weekend.

Back on topic, 2 days to go - I haven't been this excited for shows in awhile.  Will be my first time seeing AB/MWVH, as well as Incubus.  I haven't seen Sevendust since the S/T tour so many years ago.  Going to be a fun weekend

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« Reply #2301 on: August 10, 2023, 06:12:04 AM »
Seeing them at Foxwoods in Conn, on Saturday.  It's in a casino.  Can't wait.

Also looking forward to the show at Foxwoods!  We decided to splurge and stay over, was just saying how nice it will be to just head up the elevator after the show to crash vs. driving an hour home.  We're seeing Incubus at Mohegan Sun the next night so will be easier to just hang out in the area vs. all the driving.

Nice, just saw Incubus last night

Haven't heard the best things about Brandon's vocals these days.  What did you think?  Time to go down the cramx3 youtube rabbit hole . . . .

I only recorded one song, Echo, from last night and he's not great on it  :lol (I have to edit the rest of my clips later tonight) Brandon's vocals have been poor for awhile, nothing new.  He's really not a huge issue for me though. Kind of like the JLB thing.  I'd rather have the original singer with some issues than someone else.  Generally though, the show was good.  My bigger issue is them playing the same songs every tour.  They haven't been making new music and they stay away from playing a lot of the newer stuff so it's all the same old "classics". It's getting a bit tiring for me at this point. Only two different songs from last year. The biggest draw for going last night was that they played outdoors at a venue they never played before (but it's only 30 minutes away from where they normally play, so it's definitely the same local area).

I've caught Incubus every time they come through (I think they are my most seen band live) and Brandon has had challenges even going way back. I still like to see them, they are one of my favorite bands. I do get the sense that they are just cashing a check sometimes. Like you said the previous releases haven't been great. That said I saw they are playing all of Morning View and I would really love to see them tour that. I saw the tour where they played Make Yourself and it was one of my favorite Incubus shows.

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« Reply #2302 on: August 10, 2023, 09:54:07 AM »
I caved. I got the VIP upgrade for the Grand Rapids show. I figured after they played Fable of the Silent Son four shows in a row, it should be here to stay for the rest of the tour. Might as well be in a rail spot for that for what could be the final AB show I may see in two or so years before everyone goes off and does other things.

Very cool. Yeah, I have mixed feelings about missing San Antonio. I wish we could go. But it would be irresponsible given what we have going on. But while I'll miss "Fable of the Silent Son," I am glad it is now a regular in the set. It needed to be from the get-go. In all honesty, I've felt like AB teetered on the nostalgia act swing on this tour. They have played many of the songs from the new record, but the amount of songs from it, per show, is typically behind Blackbird and ODR, which I think is absolutely ridiculous. Frankly, and act that is contemporary and has a new album out, in my mind, should be playing their new material at a higher clip than their older material.

Take the show from August 8 in Cleveland, for example. Four songs from Blackbird, four songs from ODR, just three from Pawns & Kings. Just 15 songs total on the night.

So more than half the set are songs from their first two records, and they are flat out ignoring Walk the Sky and The Last Hero. Absolutely ridiculous. Not just on ignoring those records - I could live with a band ignoring a record or two on the tour. But why are they doing so many from ODR and Blackbird, and just three from their latest album.

It should be, IMO:

P&K - 5 (Fable, This is War, Silver Tongue, P&K, Sin After Sin)
Blackbird - 3
ODR - 2
Fortress - 2
AB III - 2
WTS - 1
TLH - 1

>>>16 songs, instead of 15 (they basically have now used playing Fable as an excuse to not not play 16 songs, since it is an 8 minute track), and you represent the new album properly and play cuts from your whole catalog.

Seriously, AB is my favorite modern hard rock/metal band, but their lack of supporting P&K at every show has me severely disappointed.
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« Reply #2303 on: August 10, 2023, 10:31:36 AM »
I mean it's nothing new for bands their age and the catalogs they have to only play 3 songs from their latest album.  I saw Disturbed recently and they only played three songs from their latest album, Divisive.  The difference between Disturbed leaning towards albums like The Sickness and earlier albums and AB leaning towards albums like ODR and Blackbird is that Disturbed has a history of releasing hits after hits in their career that have actually topped rock charts whereas AB doesn't have quite that accomplishments (last time they landed a top 5 single on Active Rock radio was back in 2013 with Addicted to Pain).  If only these bands can be as bold as Avenged Sevenfold are where they are committed to playing like 2/3rds of their latest album, Life is but a Dream....., on a regular basis.

Another difference is that as good as some of the songs on Disturbed's Divisive are, I don't think the deeper cuts on that album hit as well and the live crowd would rather hear Indestructible, Stricken, Prayer, etc. over a new song from their latest album.  However, in the case of Pawns & Kings, the back half of that album is just bangers after bangers (Fable of the Silent Son, Season of Promise, Last Man Standing, Pawns & Kings) and I think live reception of those songs would be good if they stick with playing them.  Fudge, I would have preferred something newer like Season of Promise on their regular set over an ODR song.  That song brings a good positive vibe that harkens back to those days as well.

No matter, it's the 12th time I'm seeing them, I'm not expecting anything radical.  Just a great show with a great band playing before them (Sevendust), with good people to be around.
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Re: The Official Alter Bridge Thread v. PAWNS & KINGS
« Reply #2304 on: August 16, 2023, 06:44:27 AM »
Amazing show, top to bottom.  First, the venue (Fox Theater/Foxwoods Casino/CT) is phenomenal.  I cannot wait to see another show here and really would love to see DT play there.  It's about 1400 capacity (going from memory), so that's probably not enough for them but would still be a great venue maybe later in their career.

Back to the show:
My first time seeing Mammoth WVH and they were the biggest surprise for me.  Wolf (and band) are so on point with their playing, stage presence, sound, audience engagement - just a phenomenal production all around.  Loving the new album as well - I'm pretty high on Mammoth lately.  Will absolutely be checking this band out again and expect to see them filling these types of venues on their own in the not so distant future.

Sevendust was also very good, I have not seen them in about 20 or so years and they're still super tight.  I've just kind of dropped off from them but they're a talented bunch and the setlist was enjoyable.

It was also my first time seeing Alter Bridge and the setlist was perfect.  Strong representation from the new album, though I missed a couple favorites.  Got to see Fable of the Silent Son and Blackbird, which are pretty much my top 1-2 from the band and that made the evening.  Myles sounds so good live, and his playing is flawless.  The sound was excellent, with the exception of Mark (and I hate to say this).  His clean tone is phenomenal, and the acoustic set was also top notch.  But songs like Isolation really illustrated the issue (for me).  I could not hear any of the opening riff to that tune, it was so muddy it just sounded like a wall of . . . . blah.   I don't know, his live tone is just too muddy for my preference.  Other than that, another top notch production making it a 3/3 night.  Will definitely be coming back for more AB when they're in the area again. 

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Re: The Official Alter Bridge Thread v. PAWNS & KINGS
« Reply #2305 on: August 16, 2023, 08:27:11 AM »
Glad you had a great time. I agree on Mammoth. I've seen them four times now (only missing my 5th because they have a headline show in town the same day as Extreme/Living Colour) and I was very impressed. I also love the second Mammoth record. Huge step forward from the first album.

I very much am with you on that annoying wall of sound to start some of the heavier tunes. I get it, those are "METALLLLLLLLL" moments, but I still feel strongly that there should be clarity. I love AB, they are my favorite band for the last 16 years and counting. But they have some real issues both in the studio (they need a different producer/engineer/mixer, IMO) and live (that wall of sound, and the stale setlist). At least for me. For someone like yourself who has now seen them just once, I am sure the set is fine -- and in the moment, I always enjoy whatever they play live. But they really need to show more variety. I disagree with Anguyen a bit (well, not disagree, but I would argue) that three new songs in a set from bands is the norm. It shouldn't be. Concerts also shouldn't have 90 minutes or less from the headliners. Headliners should be playing closer to two hours. But times have changed, unfortunately.

Happy you loved the gig! Oh, and yeah, 7D rocks. The new record isn't my favorite, but they are still killer live.
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Re: The Official Alter Bridge Thread v. PAWNS & KINGS
« Reply #2306 on: August 16, 2023, 08:32:30 AM »
Glad you had a great time. I agree on Mammoth. I've seen them four times now (only missing my 5th because they have a headline show in town the same day as Extreme/Living Colour) and I was very impressed. I also love the second Mammoth record. Huge step forward from the first album.

I very much am with you on that annoying wall of sound to start some of the heavier tunes. I get it, those are "METALLLLLLLLL" moments, but I still feel strongly that there should be clarity. I love AB, they are my favorite band for the last 16 years and counting. But they have some real issues both in the studio (they need a different producer/engineer/mixer, IMO) and live (that wall of sound, and the stale setlist). At least for me. For someone like yourself who has now seen them just once, I am sure the set is fine -- and in the moment, I always enjoy whatever they play live. But they really need to show more variety. I disagree with Anguyen a bit (well, not disagree, but I would argue) that three new songs in a set from bands is the norm. It shouldn't be. Concerts also shouldn't have 90 minutes or less from the headliners. Headliners should be playing closer to two hours. But times have changed, unfortunately.

Happy you loved the gig! Oh, and yeah, 7D rocks. The new record isn't my favorite, but they are still killer live.

absolutely with you re: the new material representation.  They still have a decent number of songs in there, but the new album is so strong (IMO) that they could be touring it front to back and still have a great set.  Adding Slip to the Void would have been a nice cherry on top, but again - for the first time seeing them and getting such a strong setlist - it was great.  Been a fan for awhile but just never aligned on tour dates.  Will be seeking them out in the future. 

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« Reply #2307 on: August 17, 2023, 08:26:51 AM »
"Slip to the Void" is one of my top-5 tracks from AB. It's so moody, so everything I like about rock and metal. I saw the AB III tour twice (Seattle and San Francisco) and it was bad ass seeing them play that live on that tour. I've seen it a couple of more times and it never gets old. I am sure they will bring it back on the next tour.

For me (and I know others disagree, but that's the beauty of it), I very much liken AB to a more thrash-riff inspired Queensryche (the original band). The drop-jaw vocalist, two-guitar attack where their styles play off one another, and a distinct effort to present lyrics that represent a variety of things (social commentary, darker undertones, etc.). And a rhythm section that is so under appreciated for their talent because of the main songwriters in the band are just that good. AB checks all the boxes for me.

I just wish Alter Bridge would get away from Elvis Baskette and Jef Moll in the studio. I know AB loves those two guys, and I am sure they are great. But all of AB's records sound the exact same since they came on board with Blackbird in 2007. It was cool for a couple of records, but now the sound is just - "okay, here is another typical sounding AB record." A good example is The Last Hero. When that record came out, for the longest time, I had a hard time listening. It was a wall of sound. There were some great songs, and I could pick them out. But everything was so washed out. I go back now, with fresh ears, and while it is still a wall of sound, after working at it, I hear all the little nuances that escape general listening...because the sound is just so in your face. I don't mind working at it to enjoy something. But it shouldn't be difficult.

There are hints AB's studio team is trying to be more dynamic. They used panning a bit on the guitars on Pawns & Kings, which was nice to hear. But they should use it more - try having Myles' vocals, depending on the line and what he is conveying, come from a different angle, etc. Separate the instruments better and give people more clarity. I'm not saying for an intense moment not to have that wall - yes, when they need to brutally crush you, go for it. But every instrument should not be up in your face the entire time.

I continue to hope (may be a futile effort) that once they go their separate ways in a few weeks, and come back to AB in 2025 or 2026, they'll take a good look at their sound, and tell Baskette and Moll to dial back the wall a bit, or just go and grab a different mixer. Jens Bogren, who did Fates Warning's Theories of Flight is a contemporary studio guy that I think would do a phenomenal job with AB. I'd also love to hear (going a bit old school) what Terry Date may bring to them as well. I know it is a pointless hope, but I'll keep hoping.

Finally, I hope the next AB record takes the next step for them -- a full on concept record. In some ways, I know AB III was, and as Myles said, Walk the Sky was his answer to AB III, so there are...themes prevalent that link albums and songs. But I'd love for them to sit down together, and carve out the time to write a record old school. Myles and Mark write separately and combine stuff. It'd be nice if they carved out a few months to write together in real time, and give us something special. Time is fleeting, and no one is getting any younger. AB is financially solvent now (finally, after being in debt for their entire career), so they can take a risk. I know Walk the Sky took a bit of a risk incorporating synths. I thought it was a bit too reliant on those, but I appreciated what they went for. So go try a concept and experiment a bit. Hell, look what Mastodon (one of Myles' favorites) did with Hushed and Grim (one of my favorite albums, a double LP) -  Go for it!

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Re: The Official Alter Bridge Thread v. PAWNS & KINGS
« Reply #2308 on: August 17, 2023, 09:24:22 AM »
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What are your top 5 AB tracks?

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Re: The Official Alter Bridge Thread v. PAWNS & KINGS
« Reply #2309 on: August 17, 2023, 10:08:15 AM »

I just wish Alter Bridge would get away from Elvis Baskette and Jef Moll in the studio. I know AB loves those two guys, and I am sure they are great. But all of AB's records sound the exact same since they came on board with Blackbird in 2007. It was cool for a couple of records, but now the sound is just - "okay, here is another typical sounding AB record." A good example is The Last Hero. When that record came out, for the longest time, I had a hard time listening. It was a wall of sound. There were some great songs, and I could pick them out. But everything was so washed out. I go back now, with fresh ears, and while it is still a wall of sound, after working at it, I hear all the little nuances that escape general listening...because the sound is just so in your face. I don't mind working at it to enjoy something. But it shouldn't be difficult.

There are hints AB's studio team is trying to be more dynamic. They used panning a bit on the guitars on Pawns & Kings, which was nice to hear. But they should use it more - try having Myles' vocals, depending on the line and what he is conveying, come from a different angle, etc. Separate the instruments better and give people more clarity. I'm not saying for an intense moment not to have that wall - yes, when they need to brutally crush you, go for it. But every instrument should not be up in your face the entire time.


I'm very much a "I don't want bands to do what I want, I want to hear what THEY want" kind of guy, but this part hits home.   I SHOULD love AB more than I do.  I absolutely think the world of Myles Kennedy, and while I don't really like his playing much, I respect Tremonti a lot and like his vibe.   

Now, I say I don't like his playing; what I mean is, I don't like that wall of sound. Everything sounds like mush.   If I had my way, I'd be "you need to channel your inner Jimmy Page".  I want that guitar to sound different on every track, and yet, we're still going to instantly know it's you.  I want to hear layers of acoustic guitar.  I want layers of clean guitar.  Build the guitar orchestra up organically.    AB is the band of lost opportunity for me.   I think they have the talent and the gumption to be a modern day Zeppelin, but they're not there.   What I'd LOVE is for Dave Cobb to produce them (he did Slash/Myles' "4" record, though it wasn't what I had hoped) IF he can make it sound warm and proximate like he does with Rival Sons.