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Re: Is Canada for me?
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2012, 01:04:43 PM »
One thing to take into account, which you may have done already:  Since you mention that this is a university position, do a little research to see whether or not accepting a position there will in any way hamper your ability to come back later and get a university position in the U.S.  It may not, but you should check first to make sure you aren't limiting your opportunities if you ultimately plan on being back in the U.S.  In addition to your advisor, if there are particular U.S. universities you want to be at some day, try to find people there to talk to and get advice from on the subject.  Hope that helps.
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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2012, 01:23:55 PM »
It really shouldn't hamper that, bosk1.  In regards to past schools you've been associated with, the bias is all about department reputation, not location.  That reputation is almost entirely built on past research done.

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Re: Is Canada for me?
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2012, 01:31:20 PM »
I don't know if it will or not.  It may be a complete non-issue.  But it is something he should look into just to be sure if he hasn't already.
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« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2012, 01:51:01 PM »
Taking a position in Canada wouldn't hamper future job options.  I'm aware of professors who went from US to Canada and other who went from Canada to the US.  A few things I'm wondering about/follow up questions:

How high are the taxes (approximately)?  How much of my gross pay should I expect to see?  I know some of the international students have to pay tax to their home country as well as the US, so I don't know how that would work if I was what the US terms a "resident-alien".  It seems like I'll have to adjust to a slightly lower level of living.

Someone said purchasing property was different.  How so?  If I move somewhere where I don't know anybody, one of the first things I'm doing is getting a dog, and rental properties tend to be not pet-friendly in some manner.

Would I be able to keep my handgun?  Not a big issue, but I figured I'd ask.  It's illegal in California, so I know I'd have to sell it if I moved out there.  Are there any restrictions on other things I would bring to the country?  I know it seems silly to ask, but I do have a fully furnished house and I really like my living room couch and recliner, as well as my poker table, musical instruments, beer making supplies, kitchen gadgets, etc.  Moving is going to suck no matter what for me.

Culture wise, what would I lose access to?  I know you get most of our networks in some form because I know you get the same shows.  Do you have DirecTV (my current provider)?  How much American football am I going to miss out on, college and pro (This is very important)?  What would I need to learn?  Frankly, if I'm going to move to a different country I want it to be somewhat of a unique experience.  Just don't say French (no, its not in Quebec), my Spanish and Japanese are woefully deficient as it is.

ooo....one more thing.  I know Windsor has casinos.  What about the rest of Canada?  Poker games have been a nice source of income for me the past 8 years.

I'm coming around to the idea of moving to Canada assuming the job is what I want and I don't get an offer from my undergraduate alma mater (which is also hiring).
     

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Re: Is Canada for me?
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2012, 01:56:08 PM »
Montreal, the best place to go when you find yourself in Vermont.

We like taking rides to both.  Love going to VT for a weekend lunch and some microbrews and My wife and I have been up to the Montreal Jazz festival a few times.  Comedy too.  Great time.  My with went bonkers when we went to the botanical gardens in the summer.  It was unreal.
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« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2012, 02:00:27 PM »
I guess one thing I should add it that I don't want to move somewhere rural, regardless of country.  I'm sick of having to travel nearly 300 miles for concerts.  I guess jingle will have to answer that for me since I told him where it was.  Obviously that eliminates places like Toronto, Vancouver, Edmondton, Calgary, and other known Canadian cities.
     

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« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2012, 02:08:13 PM »
If you live in Canada you would only pay Canadian tax.  They rough years are when you live in both countries.  They both seem to want to claim all of your income, just hire someone, it's too much of a mess to deal with! :lol

You'll see a lot of NFL, not much college football on tv.  Internet streaming will be your friend in that area,  You won't need to learn anything culture wise before going.  It is very similar to the US, but say with a twist.  What would be different would depend on where you go.  I always got a big kick going back and forth between the two countries.  Take US stuff there to prove myths wrong and take Canadian stuff to the US to prove myths here wrong. ...often alcohol.   I don't know, I loved my experience in Canada, it was so similar to home, but was clearly a different place.  Lots of fun hearing, "You're not a Canadian!", too.

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Re: Is Canada for me?
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2012, 02:13:35 PM »
If you live in Canada you would only pay Canadian tax. 

I was under the impression US citizens abroad pay tax on income tax on everything above $100k or something around there.
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Re: Is Canada for me?
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2012, 02:14:56 PM »
Taking a position in Canada wouldn't hamper future job options.  I'm aware of professors who went from US to Canada and other who went from Canada to the US.  A few things I'm wondering about/follow up questions:

How high are the taxes (approximately)?  How much of my gross pay should I expect to see?  I know some of the international students have to pay tax to their home country as well as the US, so I don't know how that would work if I was what the US terms a "resident-alien".  It seems like I'll have to adjust to a slightly lower level of living.

Someone said purchasing property was different.  How so?  If I move somewhere where I don't know anybody, one of the first things I'm doing is getting a dog, and rental properties tend to be not pet-friendly in some manner.

Would I be able to keep my handgun?  Not a big issue, but I figured I'd ask.  It's illegal in California, so I know I'd have to sell it if I moved out there.  Are there any restrictions on other things I would bring to the country?  I know it seems silly to ask, but I do have a fully furnished house and I really like my living room couch and recliner, as well as my poker table, musical instruments, beer making supplies, kitchen gadgets, etc.  Moving is going to suck no matter what for me.

Culture wise, what would I lose access to?  I know you get most of our networks in some form because I know you get the same shows.  Do you have DirecTV (my current provider)?  How much American football am I going to miss out on, college and pro (This is very important)?  What would I need to learn?  Frankly, if I'm going to move to a different country I want it to be somewhat of a unique experience.  Just don't say French (no, its not in Quebec), my Spanish and Japanese are woefully deficient as it is.

ooo....one more thing.  I know Windsor has casinos.  What about the rest of Canada?  Poker games have been a nice source of income for me the past 8 years.

I'm coming around to the idea of moving to Canada assuming the job is what I want and I don't get an offer from my undergraduate alma mater (which is also hiring).
I'm going backwards through your post here.

You ask as though 'canada' is one state or province. It's a whole country. Some areas have casinos, some don't.
Online poker is legal here though. And again, the type of personalities/people vary widely from coast to coast. BC is more hippies, saskatchewan is.. odd folk, but friendly, east coast is uber hospitality friendly people..
 
You don't really need to learn much to live here, other than to be polite. Or not, it's not really a big deal.
TV, that again depends where you live and what service providers are there. Where I am, you can usually order the stations from the states for sports, but it costs extra. Besides that, there's always the internet - you can always find live streaming games.

As to the handgun, I doubt it. Gun laws are pretty strict here. Can't imagine they'd let you have a handgun.

Depending where you live, it's not bad finding pet-friendly housing. I rent, and I have 2 cats and a snake.

I have no idea what kind of taxes you'd pay as a non-resident, but for myself as a Canadian government employee, almost 14% of each pay goes to fed. taxes.. and like, 2% to unemployment insurance, and 4.5% to Canadian Pension Plans.
Plus union dues etc, per your job.

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Re: Is Canada for me?
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2012, 02:19:17 PM »
for tax info, feel free to learn more stuff through the CRA - but you'll prob have to read a bit.
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Re: Is Canada for me?
« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2012, 02:22:05 PM »
If you live in Canada you would only pay Canadian tax. 

I was under the impression US citizens abroad pay tax on income tax on everything above $100k or something around there.
You might be right, it is very confusing.  I was there as a student so it wasn't a big issue.  I think, if you don't own a US home and have no US income, you can get large enough exemptions that it doesn't usually matter.

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Re: Is Canada for me?
« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2012, 02:22:45 PM »
I had a Canadian P-chem professor as an undergrad, and she confused the whole class the first time she broke out "Zed".  Three of us promptly replied, "Zed is dead, baby."

I guess to make it a little easier for people, I'll say that it's at university close to Niagara.  Figure it out for yourself, but don't post it.  I'm paranoid about things just because so much is at stake for me.  There is no harm in being paranoid, but there is harm in being careless IMO.

I can live without my gun, I just don't like the idea of taking a loss on it when its forced upon me.

Like I said, non-urban areas bore me.  I need access to culture and intellectual exploration/indulgence.
     

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Re: Is Canada for me?
« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2012, 02:25:40 PM »
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« Reply #48 on: January 11, 2012, 02:31:09 PM »
A little too far of a commute.  I hate driving, regardless of the country.
     

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Re: Is Canada for me?
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2012, 02:32:35 PM »

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Would I be able to keep my handgun?  Not a big issue, but I figured I'd ask.  It's illegal in California, so I know I'd have to sell it if I moved out there.
yeah, there's some tight gun laws up here.. but I've hardly been anywhere in Canada where you'd even need to consider owning that much personal protection. few parts of the big cities, sure, but it's like that everywhere, and I doubt you'll be moving to the slums.



 
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I know it seems silly to ask, but I do have a fully furnished house and I really like my living room couch and recliner, as well as my poker table, musical instruments, beer making supplies, kitchen gadgets, etc.  Moving is going to suck no matter what for me.
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Culture wise, what would I lose access to?  I know you get most of our networks in some form because I know you get the same shows.  Do you have DirecTV (my current provider)?  How much American football am I going to miss out on, college and pro (This is very important)?  What would I need to learn?  Frankly, if I'm going to move to a different country I want it to be somewhat of a unique experience.  Just don't say French (no, its not in Quebec), my Spanish and Japanese are woefully deficient as it is.
well Canada is pretty damn multicultural, especially that area of Ontario you'll be in, so you'll find a wide diversity of different languages/cultures/people if that's what you're looking for. I know Toronto has a bunch of "ethnic districts", like their own Chinatown, etc.

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ooo....one more thing.  I know Windsor has casinos.  What about the rest of Canada?  Poker games have been a nice source of income for me the past 8 years.
  hellz yeah, Windsor represent! If you're going in the Niagara region, there are also some good casinos out there, I believe.




Canada's just a great place to live. Since you'll be in a University town, you won't be in the middle of nowhere, there will be plenty of transit.. if you do get bit by the wilderness bug, there's absolutely tons of natural beauty to be seen. Since everyone is in recession mode, I'm fairly certain property has been fairly cheap of late.

also, there are lots of nice, friendly people.

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Re: Is Canada for me?
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2012, 02:33:38 PM »
I don't know much about the Niagara region. Good wine apparently. I've been to Niagara falls once, and it seemed a mega-tourist town. Like someone else said though, definitely casino country.

You'd be close enough to toronto to visit though, so that would probably take care of things.
Personally, if I were to move to canada from the states, it would be to live in one of these cities, probably in this order:
Montreal
Ottawa
Toronto
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton

I currently live in Ottawa, and am happy here.


Besides zed, the only lingo that comes to my head is chocolate bar, not candy bar. The only reason we know what 'candy bars' are is from Super Troopers. And maybe pop instead of soda, but that depends where you come from.
And people will understand you either way.

We say washroom a lot .. I don't know if you guys do. I know theres something about washroom/bathroom/rest room where there's one that Americans don't use, can't remember which one.

Generally the number one thing about canadians is that they're polite and easygoing, for the most part.
Except if you live in Toronto. They're a bunch of jerks.


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« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2012, 02:37:49 PM »
I'll visit when for a concert or when the Red Wings are in town Gorille.

Chocolate bar is known down here.  I don't eat them very often, so not a big deal.

The "pop vs soda" debate also exists in the US, sometimes within a state (Pennsylvania).

As for the politeness, it makes me think of this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPKSw1OeK2w&feature=related
     

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« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2012, 02:39:51 PM »
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« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2012, 02:44:05 PM »
the whole language thing that crazy4dt was mentioning really isn't an issue in the slightest.

people will understand you, even if you say restroom instead of washroom or w/e.
and honestly, I've never heard of the whole candy vs. chocolate bar thing, but maybe that's because Windsor's a border town, so we're pretty Americanized.

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« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2012, 02:44:19 PM »
The folk up in Newfoundland are the angriest drivers I've ever met.  Impatient lot for such an unpopulated location.

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« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2012, 03:44:05 PM »
I guess one thing I should add it that I don't want to move somewhere rural, regardless of country.  I'm sick of having to travel nearly 300 miles for concerts.  I guess jingle will have to answer that for me since I told him where it was.  Obviously that eliminates places like Toronto, Vancouver, Edmondton, Calgary, and other known Canadian cities.

Concerts won't be an issue given where you'll be.  Good post on the tax issues.  I guess it really depends what status you'll end up with - working visa, landed immigrant, dual citizen or whatever.  Immigration details isn't something I know anything about.  I'm sure there's a "Moving to Canada for Dummies" or something you could look in to.  Probably some online sites too. 

I'll post and/or PM some more thoughts when I have some time to dedicate to it (tomorrow or Friday), but in the perspective of being a citizen.
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'useful'. It's a solid system, even if I don't like the results of the last few elections. Heck, the last one saw the NDP become the official opposition in a big way, meaning that since the early 90s, five different parties have either formed the government or sat as official opposition (Liberals, Conservatives/Reform, PC, NDP, and the Bloc). It's far from perfect, but it's not a bad system.

But to get back on point;
I can vouch for both Halifax and Montreal being fantastic places to live (with Halifax including all of the surrounding communities included in the Halifax Regional Municipality). Great culture, great people, great community, and for Halifax, pretty affordable.
Halifax has a LOT of universities per-capita, and it reflects quite a bit on the culture, especially in the city proper. Just avoid NSCAD, which is terrible in a number of ways.

Edit: I would just like to ad; no hostiities toward yorost. As he pointed out, he wasn't completely up on Canadian culture, and plus, any differences of opinion are welcome. After all, this is a democracy. Like in Canadian democracy, I hope that even the most heated of debates here on the DT forums end in civilized understanding.
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« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2012, 11:44:12 PM »
people will understand you, even if you say restroom instead of washroom or w/c.

Fixed that for you :neverusethis:
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« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2012, 06:27:32 AM »
at the risk of sounding like the ditzy girl from my highschool, I don't get it.

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« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2012, 06:56:32 AM »
Jingle is probably your go to guy as he is in southern Ontario. I'm in the exact same boat as crazy, in fact knowing how cozy Ottawa is I probably see her once a month without realizing it. Not sure what the restrictions are for gun ownership for foreigners as you'll probably be on a work visa I think you're s.o.l. Think about it this way. In Ontario if you own a handgun for the purpose of shooting it at a gun club(the only lawful purpose for owning one) you are almost forced to leave it at the club because the hassle getting it from home TO the club is ridiculous. It's the same as booking a flight as a private plane owner. When are you leaving your house, what route are you taking, where will you be stopping along the way and when are you returning.
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« Reply #62 on: January 12, 2012, 08:00:51 AM »
at the risk of sounding like the ditzy girl from my highschool, I don't get it.

That's alright... 'w/c' stands for 'water closet', another way of saying restroom abroad.  I just changed your w/e to w/c.
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« Reply #63 on: January 12, 2012, 08:14:58 AM »
You'll need to know when to yell. RAH RAH OLE!
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« Reply #64 on: January 12, 2012, 10:30:37 AM »
at the risk of sounding like the ditzy girl from my highschool, I don't get it.

That's alright... 'w/c' stands for 'water closet', another way of saying restroom abroad.  I just changed your w/e to w/c.

I saw the changed, didn't know what w/c meant
honestly, if you asked to go to the loo, the water closet, the restroom, the washroom, the bathroom, etc I wouldn't have any problem understanding

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« Reply #65 on: January 12, 2012, 11:37:35 AM »
You'll need to know when to yell. RAH RAH OLE!

Well, I am a wild party!  Better yet... alka seltzer, tang and a 50.

Oh, one more thing... Beer is actually beer, not flavored/colored water.
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« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2012, 11:53:09 AM »
You'll need to know when to yell. RAH RAH OLE!

Well, I am a wild party!  Better yet... alka seltzer, tang and a 50.

Oh, one more thing... Beer is actually beer, not flavored/colored water.
GAAHHH!!!!!!

See, that's what I was talking about dispelling myths between the two countries.  Alcohol content, not different, just measured different.  ...and the US makes some damn fine beer, I hauled tons of it across to my Canadian friends to prove it to them(and I did).  ...and for the record, most 'US beer" drank in southern Ontario is brewed in Guelph.  Not sure what that proves, but you guys made it.

Besides, the best value in Ontario is Ontario wines.  I miss the Ontario wine shops, really hard to get VQA labeled wine in the US.  My treasured corkscrew is a Hillebrand labeled one. :)

edit: ...and I have news for you.  Everything you despise about US beer in Canada holds true for Canadian beer in the US.  The mass brewed ones are all that typically crosses the borders.

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« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2012, 11:58:05 AM »
You'll need to know when to yell. RAH RAH OLE!

Well, I am a wild party!  Better yet... alka seltzer, tang and a 50.

Oh, one more thing... Beer is actually beer, not flavored/colored water.
GAAHHH!!!!!!

See, that's what I was talking about dispelling myths between the two countries.  Alcohol content, not different, just measured different.  ...and the US makes some damn fine beer, I hauled tons of it cases across to my Canadian friends to prove it to them(and I did).  ...and for the record, most 'US beer" drank in southern Ontario is brewed in Guelph.  Not sure what that proves, but you guys made it.

Besides, the best value in Ontario is Ontario wines.  I miss the Ontario wine shops, really hard to get VQA labeled wine in the US.  My treasured corkscrew is a Hillebrand labeled one. :)

I make the beer comment somewhat in jest, but seriously, light beers in the US are a lot lighter than the counterpart in Canada.  Yes, there are some fine US brewed concoctions, but by and large, our beer is better. 
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Re: Is Canada for me?
« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2012, 12:02:54 PM »
You have lots of good brewers, but it's no different than plenty of places in the US.  You have to go somewhere to really find what a place brews.  Some of the best brewers in Wisconsin are local only, I know of one in Wausau that makes a fabulous rye beer, but I could never get it unless I go there.  Even in Canada, one of the best brewers I tried was in Charlottetown, can't even remember the name, and I never would have known it existed if the B&B hostess didn't point it out to us.

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Re: Is Canada for me?
« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2012, 12:04:15 PM »
As for purchasing property, it's basically the same, with the exception of surface, and mineral rights. Often times the trees on your property or any mineral rights on the property belong to the "crown", unless it's spelled out beforehand. This was something I dealt with in Ontario as we bought 20 acres of mostly wooded acreage there. It wasn't a big deal, but the first property we looked at wouldn't have allowed us surface rights. If your buying a tract house or a condo, this isn't something you'd really need to be worried about. It's just like buying any property in the U.S. Unless your prepared to pay cash youll have a mortgage, and will pay property taxes based on the assessed value that the province has determined for your home.

As for language there are a few things that you'll quickly adapt to. Among them:

Loonie - A common euphemism for the Canadian one-dollar coin.
Toonie - A common euphemism for the Canadian two-dollar coin, pronounced "too-nee."
Homo Milk - A commoner's slang for homogenized whole milk; 3% milk.
Timmy'sorTim's - Slang for Tim Horton's, a chain of doughnut and coffee shops named after a famous hockey player.
Eh - (pronounced "ey", as in "hey" or "hay") A suffix some Canadians add to the ends of sentences, to ask for a response of agreement or disagreement, similar in meaning to "don't you think" or "right?"(Similar to the word "Huh?" Used in the states.) (eg. "Looks like a storm comin' in, eh?"). It is also sometimes used with "I know," as in, "Wow, the Edmonton Oilers really kicked butt tonight!" -"I know, eh?"
Two-Four - A blue-collar euphemism for a case of twenty-four beers.
Toque - (pronounced "tuke," like Luke) A knit cap usually worn in winter. Known as a Ski Cap in the USA.
Click- A euphemistic term for a kilometer.
The States - The United States of America is often referred to as "the States," except in writing, when it becomes "the US."
Washroom - Refers to a place where one would find the toilet, sink, and bath tub. Here in the U.S. we call it the rest room.
Pop - Many Canadians use the term "pop" to describe sweet, carbonated beverages.(Soda in the states.)
Poutine - (pronounced poo-TEEN) French fries served with cheese curds, and covered in gravy. Originated in Quebec but now prevalent across Canada.(Awesome delicious heart attack in a bowl. You aren't Canadian until you've played some hockey and stopped for some poutine and beer, although depending on where you get t, oit can be very bland and taste like ass.)
Beaver Tail - A flat, flaky, fried pastry in the general shape of a beaver's tail. It is often served with a variety of toppings: ice-cream, maple syrup, powerdered sugar, and fruits. Originated in, and pretty much limited to, Ottawa.

Also, not being from Canada, do not call a Canadian "Canuck" in mixed company. It could be seen as an insult coming from a Yankee like yourself.
Other negative slang terms are:
Hoser- Hoser: The term has many origins: The most common refers to the game of hockey, before the invention of the zamboni, the losing team would have to hose down the ice. Thus creating the term "hoser".
Frog - derogatory term for French Canadians from Quebec. More common, however, is "Jean-Guy Pepper," or "Pepper," or I've heard Geddy call them"Pepsis'" generally attributed to the fact that French-Canadians are like a bottle of Pepsi, having nothing but air between the neck and the cap.  :biggrin:

SOme other language differences are:
A dead giveaway that someone is Canadian is if they refer to "Grade 5" as opposed to "Fifth grade".
The term "junior high" is used instead of "middle school," and the terms "freshman", "sophomore", "junior", and "senior" are virtually never applied to high school or secondary school. Post-secondary students are generally referred to by the year of their program.
"University" is limited to or refers to schools which offer four-year, degree programs. The term "college" typically only refers to two-year program community colleges.

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