Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread

[Evermind]

Well yeah, we know that, but he was quite self-deluded so he didn't realise that. His move was completely justified from his perspective.

Things like that is why I love this story so much.

[Prog Snob]

Of course, there's so much to analyze and play "what if" with.  It's a soap opera for men. Not that there aren't women who love the story, but let's face it. They don't analyze it to death the way we do. 

[Genowyn]

Of course, there's so much to analyze and play "what if" with.  It's a soap opera for men. Not that there aren't women who love the story, but let's face it. They don't analyze it to death the way we do. 

 

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[Prog Snob]

The point being...

[Genowyn]

These are both blogs written by women that extensively analyse both the show and the books.

[Prog Snob]

I get that, but generally speaking the amount of women that analyze the show and books to death are probably the same as the percentage of female Dream Theater fans.

[Genowyn]

Right, but you didn't say that you didn't think *most* women didn't analyze it. I quote:

"Not that there aren't women who love the story, but let's face it. They don't analyze it to death the way we do. "

And, in fact, some of the major theory posters and analysts on Westeros.org are women.

[Prog Snob]

"They" as a whole. I guess I shouldn't expect someone to have intuition and not really expect me to actually believe no women at all will analyze it the way we do. I'll spell things out more clearly next time.

[Genowyn]

It's not about intuition, man. It's about the fact that in the Game of Thrones community (And the ASoIaF community, but less so), and indeed nerd culture in general, there is a tendency to exclude women by saying shit like you just said, or that women can't be real nerds.

[Prog Snob]

And that's not what I said. If you read the previous sentence, I said, "not that there aren't women who love the story." I intentionally said that so it wouldn't seem like I WAS neglecting a whole gender.  You inferring that I said that is making this discussion an exercise in futility. I know all about female nerds and geeks. I've dated quite a few, so lets not act like I'm being misogynistic.

[Genowyn]

You said that some women love the show, then immediately moved on to say that they didn't analyze it the same way that men do.

[Prog Snob]

Well as a whole, they don't. There is no argument that there are far more fanatical male GoT fans than there are female fans. Go to any fansite and you'll see that. So what's the problem?

[Genowyn]

Consider:

A) That there may be fewer female fans of GoT, but the difference is probably less for ASoIaF
B) Those female fans that there are may feel discouraged from talking about their fandom due to the hostile reaction women get in many fan communities (or many women pretend to be men in these communities for the same reason)

Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist.

[Evermind]

You guys just turned this thread into a whole lot of not-fun. As if I hadn't encountered this debate enough on westeros.org.

[Genowyn]

Sorry

Even if PS didn't mean it like that, a lot of people do, and it's indicative of the problem I have with the show, so it's sort of a sore spot.

[Prog Snob]

Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist.

That's leaving yourself wide open for a whole lot of discussion that I'm sure you don't want to partake in. In terms of only believing things if they can be seen, I mean.

You guys just turned this thread into a whole lot of not-fun. As if I hadn't encountered this debate enough on westeros.org.

There is no debate. It's a misunderstanding, and that's it.

[cramx3]

Sorry

Even if PS didn't mean it like that, a lot of people do, and it's indicative of the problem I have with the show, so it's sort of a sore spot.

What does this argument have to do with "problem I have with the show"? 

I think it's true that GoT has more male fans than female just because of the genre is more popular by males, but GoT/ASoIaF actually does have a significant amount of female fans.  Some of who I know and have had many in depth discussions with, conversations not different at all that I would have with male fans.

Either way, Stannis had a legitimate claim to the throne and wanted it, Renly did not have a claim, but had an army so he wanted it, Rob wanted revenge and did not want the throne, but to take the North away from Lannister rule, and then well there was that 5th Kind Balon who well didn't do a whole much, but try to take the North while they were fighting the Lannisters.  All of which was a chain effect from the incest.

[Genowyn]

Sorry

Even if PS didn't mean it like that, a lot of people do, and it's indicative of the problem I have with the show, so it's sort of a sore spot.

What does this argument have to do with "problem I have with the show"? 

To simplify a complex issue: The show inserts a lot of sexism and sexist tropes that do not exist in the book, or whitewash the sexist actions of characters because they like them (like Cersei and Tyrion). This is something they think they can get away with because of this perception of which people are watching this show, ie; men.

[cramx3]

Sorry

Even if PS didn't mean it like that, a lot of people do, and it's indicative of the problem I have with the show, so it's sort of a sore spot.

What does this argument have to do with "problem I have with the show"? 

To simplify a complex issue: The show inserts a lot of sexism and sexist tropes that do not exist in the book, or whitewash the sexist actions of characters because they like them (like Cersei and Tyrion). This is something they think they can get away with because of this perception of which people are watching this show, ie; men.

Ah yes, now I remember your views on this.

[Genowyn]

Yeah... I try not to post in this thread because I honestly don't want to ruin anyone's enjoyment of the show by bitching about it, but noone posts in the ASoIaF thread :sadpanda

The main reason I won't be watching come April is because I don't want anything else spoiled (albeit stripped of context)

[cramx3]

To each their own without wanting to watch.  Since I read after season 2 I have no issue watching before reading.  It'll also be fairly different so I wonder how much will be spoiling the next book and in what ways.  At the end of the day, I wouldn't be able to stop watching until the books are finished because that may never happen so might as well enjoy the ride of the show, plus it'll be hard to avoid spoilers due to the popularity of the show.

[Genowyn]

I get what you're saying about it not really being able to spoil the books, but look at last season, in particular, Stannis burning Shireen. This hasn't happened in the books, but when they were criticized for it, D&D immediately threw their hands up and said "WELL IT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE BOOK OKAY?"

Now, I am confident the circumstances will be quite different... for one, Shireen isn't even with Stannis in the book right now, she's at the wall. What I expect is that Mel will convince Selyse to burn Shireen, and Selyse will do it because she's a zealot and sorta fucked in the head. Could be that Stannis will then still lose the Battle of Ice, and his life, which will prompt Selyse's suicide.

And that's the problem... even if the context is different, I can make a pretty good guess as to how it's going to go down in the books, and I don't want to be able to make those kinds of guesses.

[cramx3]

And to me that is part of the fun of watching, to discuss and think about how the book will play it out.  Like I said, I don't have the patience to wait forever for the books so I like to think of this in a fun way and enjoy it.

[hefdaddy42]

And that's the problem... even if the context is different, I can make a pretty good guess as to how it's going to go down in the books, and I don't want to be able to make those kinds of guesses.

I blame Martin.

[Prog Snob]

Melisandre at a baby shower. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5C6kG57J7Q

[MirrorMask]

Saw it the other day, it was awesome 

"A shadow demon? where's the funny part???"
"The part where he kills Renly!
.....ah, I guess you had to be there."

 

Also, the rattlesword was awesome!!!

[kaos2900]

That was great! Can't wait for the new season!

[Prog Snob]

[hefdaddy42]

lol

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

Melisandre at a baby shower. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5C6kG57J7Q

[Dimitrius]

Season 6 trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuH3tJPiP-U&feature=youtu.be

[Prog Snob]

Okay, lets make sure I got everything. 

0:01 – 0:07 – The Wall/Scene of Jon Snow dead
0:07 – 0:12 – It looks like a Dornish ship approaching King's Landing
0:12 – 0:16 – Jaime and Cersei Lannister scene
0:16 – 0:18 – Davos near Castle Black
0:19 – 0:25 – The Boltons and their victory
0:26 – 0:26 – Melisandre talking to Davos, saying what she saw in the flames was a lie
0:27 – 0:33 – Jorah and Daario
0:34 – 0:40 – Daenerys walking with the Dothraki
0:40 – 0:42 – High Sparrow
0:42 – 0:45 – Kingsmoot?
0:45 – 0:46 – Sansa
0:47 – 0:50 – Tyrion
0:50 – 0:51 – Drogon flying
0:51 – 0:53 – nothing
0:53 – 0:59 – Lancel, Cersei, and The Mountain
1:00 – 1:00 – I'm unsure of who that is
1:00 – 1:01 – it looks like the night's watch. I think that's Allister on the left.
1:01 – 1:02 – Tommen walking with his King's guard and Cersei walking with the Mountain
1:02 – 1:02 – Horsemen riding. Maybe Greyjoy men?
1:02 – 1:03 – Maybe Euron's ship?
1:04 – 1:05 – Arya getting whacked by (it looks like someone in an Arya mask).
1:05 – 1:05 – Petyr Baelish
1:05 – 1:06 – Queen Margaery <3
1:06 – 1:06 – Is that Coldhands lashing at someone?
1:07 – 1:07 – Greyjoy men or Boltons?
1:07 – 1:08 – Mereen or King's Landing?
1:08 – 1:09 – two scenes with Theon?
1:09 – 1:09 – Jaime and Cersei
1:09 – 1:10 – Brienne killing someone
1:10 – 1:10 – Melisandre at the Fires
1:11 – 1:12 – Hall of Faces
1:12 – 1:12 – Melisandre
1:13 – 1:13 – Jon Snow with someone's hands on him (maybe Edd?)
1:13 – 1:14 – someone jumping maybe in either King's Landing or Braavos?
1:14 – 1:15 – Boltons and the Wildlings? Fighting
1:15 – 1:15 – oooh sexy time.
1:15 – 1:16 – Someone removing their hood, quite possibly Euron?
1:16 – 1:16 – fighting. Why does the one without the helmet look like Ned Stark from behind? Hmmm
1:16 – 1:17 – Tormund with the Boltons (I see the flayed man on the shield)
1:17 – 1:18 – Queen Margaery <3 with the High Sparrow
1:18 – 1:18 – not sure what that is (looks like someone getting beaten by a crowd)
1:18 – 1:19 – Arya
1:19 – 1:19 – Tommen & his men meeting with the High Sparrow, perhaps to free Queen Margaery <3
1:19 – 1:19 – Sansa running in the forest
1:20 – 1:20 – Dothraki
1:20 – 1:21 – Boltons? Greyjoys?
1:21 – 1:21 – Bran with the Night's King
1:22 – 1:29 – nothing
1:29 – 1:34 – Davos… it looks like he's trying to protect Jon from some of the night's watch men.

[Enigmachine]

That trailer is absolutely packed.

[kaos2900]

My daughter is due to be born around the time of the debut. I know she's coming on the 24th.

Awesome trailer. Jon Snow is dead, the question is who will he be resurrected as.

[hefdaddy42]

Jon Snow is dead, the question is who will he be resurrected as.

He will come back as Larry "Bud" Melman.



The choice is made!  The Traveller has come!