Coronavirus

[XeRocks81]

Anyway, hoping Illinois lets me get vaccinated soon? I've heard some people have just called their Walgreens and got a vaccine and didn't have to wait to be eligible or whatever they're doing. Hmmmm

it’s probably worth a shot(stupid pun absolutely intended  ) especially since you’re not in a busy area they might have extras to give out. 

[Stadler]

So, guys.  What'd I miss?   

[Ben_Jamin]

So, guys.  What'd I miss?   

Something about a Biscuit Man...

[King Postwhore]

So, guys.  What'd I miss?   

 

[eric42434224]

Just got my first shot.  Pfizer..

[The Walrus]

I suppose the ad hominem thing is one thing, Eric, but I have a bigger issue with someone going to such lengths to justify - smugly - the use of sexist language, as I'm trying to eliminate that kind of behavior from my life myself (not the sexism, the caustic language). But, c'est la vie. Can't have everyone agree with your worldview I suppose. Let's just agree to not interact with each other from now on. You've PMed me offers of peace several times... but then the only other times you interact with me are to call me out on something and have an argument, so I don't quite understand you. Probably best we both move on. If you're lucky I'll get a horrid case of the rona before I get vaccinated and this will never happen again. Truce? Serious.

Stadler, you missed WandaVision. Great show. Highly recommended. 

[The Walrus]

Anyway, hoping Illinois lets me get vaccinated soon? I've heard some people have just called their Walgreens and got a vaccine and didn't have to wait to be eligible or whatever they're doing. Hmmmm

it’s probably worth a shot(stupid pun absolutely intended  ) especially since you’re not in a busy area they might have extras to give out.

Haha. Maybe. Didn't think of that.

[Stadler]

It's a week out from my group being open; I'm going to start calling/visiting the CVS and Walgreen's near me to see if I can get a shot.  My father-in-law and step son (Army) have gotten them so I'm next in the familial hierarchy so to speak.   

[eric42434224]

I suppose the ad hominem thing is one thing, Eric, but I have a bigger issue with someone going to such lengths to justify - smugly - the use of sexist language, as I'm trying to eliminate that kind of behavior from my life myself (not the sexism, the caustic language). But, c'est la vie. Can't have everyone agree with your worldview I suppose. Let's just agree to not interact with each other from now on. You've PMed me offers of peace several times... but then the only other times you interact with me are to call me out on something and have an argument, so I don't quite understand you. Probably best we both move on. If you're lucky I'll get a horrid case of the rona before I get vaccinated and this will never happen again. Truce? Serious.

Not sure how to even reply to this, but I will give it a shot.

So are you saying that you were wrong about the Ad Hominem?  Or are you saying your issue is that you were right about King's words were an Ad Hominem, AND that they were sexist???  On top of that his justification was smug?  Or are you saying I did/said something sexist?
I think brushing that off as "oh well, not everyone will agree with my worldview?" is a cop out.
With all due respect, I think you owe all of us a better explanation....especially King. 

In regards to me specifically, I am going to call BS.  I PM'ed only on the one day you when you treated me in a way that was simply not cool.  I called you out and asked for an apology....to which you responded with MORE of the same uncool treatment.  Then you said you were going to block me.  Don't pull that BS out here in the forum saying I asked for peace several times.

YOU are making this personal with everyone.  I have seen it MANY times in MANY threads where you do the same.  You get very defensive when someone is simply disagreeing with you.  Then when you can't defend your position, you attack with Ad Hominem.  Irony, right?

Seriously Bro, I am getting PM's asking WTF is going on with you.
Maybe...just maybe, you should incorporate some new things into your "worldview"....things like more self-awareness, less defensiveness, less persecution complex, and some modesty to admit you are wrong when you are wrong.

I simply disagreed that Kings words were an Ad Hominem attack IN GENERAL...never said your name.  I then politely showed that clearly you were wrong.  Admit it and move on, or post SOMETHING supporting your position.

IT IS NOTHING PERSONAL.
DISAGREEING WITH YOU IS NOT AN ATTACK ON YOU.
I DIDNT EVEN MENTION OR QUOTE YOU IN MY POST...It was a simple stating of my opinion on one side of the argument.

Regardless of what you may think, I am NOT interested in any confrontational interactions here.  The only person I had an actual issue with was Stadler.  I reached out proactively, and accepted my fault, and we moved on.  I have ZERO interest in you in any way.  You treated me poorly, then doubled down in PM.  Its all cool with me.  These issues you have with others here are of your own making. 

Now, I have already expended enough energy going down this rabbit hole with you.  Do or say what you will, I really don't care.  I said you were wrong about the Ad Hominem, and proved it.  Either rebut my position or sit down and shut up about it.
Your issues with King being sexist, or the pity party you throw about "us being lucky you getting rona", or the personal attacks / defensiveness you show are a YOU PROBLEM.
I wash my hands of this BS.


**EDIT...and my apologies to all for derailing the tread.  I just had my fill of this BS.  He could have PM'ed me this BS, but he put it out there, so I responded.

[The Walrus]

All right then. This is childish now. My problem was with sexist, problematic language. THAT was the point. You are so focused on 'right' and 'wrong' and gloating about a victory. That is not how I like to discuss things. You are extremely toxic for me to talk to. I don't have this problem with others here. I have plenty of friends - good friends - here. I know I am not the person you say I am. They do, too.

And if anybody does have a problem with me and is PMing you, they can try talking to me instead of someone who knows nothing about me. And if they can't do that, they don't matter enough for me to care. I didn't come back here to bicker with people I don't even talk to here, like you. I offered you a truce and here you are with another screed dressing down my character which I do take offense to. Enjoy yourself. I'm done and I'm not about to wish ill on you. Just wish you'd stop running your mouth about me when I am trying to just end this peaceably between us. If this is 'BS' - my attempts to placate your belligerent nature - then so be it. Sorry. Truly. I'll always be an asshole to some people.

At this point I don't care about airing this publicly because you are making such an uproar about who I am that I absolutely have to defend myself.

[King Postwhore]

I think you know my past history Mike and I don't use those sexist words much. So the one time I do it becomes a big thing?  In all honesty most would call her worse for her actions.  Me calling her a bitch dwarfs in comparison to her actions. I figured I'd get some latitude with my past history of how I treat people but I guess not.

I'll just call her deplorable for now on.

[The Walrus]

I realize it was a mistake for me to come back here. Sorry for everything. Here's the pity party again. Later

[KevShmev]

Joe, there was nothing in your posts that was sexist, and it is asinine for anyone to suggest that there was. Good grief.

[eric42434224]

All right then. This is childish now. My problem was with sexist, problematic language. THAT was the point. You are so focused on 'right' and 'wrong' and gloating about a victory. That is not how I like to discuss things.

Oh yes it is childish...but not in the way you think.  You say now that your point was the sexist language, yet you posted these as your responses to King.  I was focused on the incorrect use of the term...that's it...now that you realize you were wrong, you move the goalpost.  That's childish.

As I just said, my issue was with the ad hominem calling her a bitch

I don't think you know what ad hominem means because you completely missed the point.

It's not just an adjective, it's ad hominem, I really think you should research what that term means because otherwise you are completely missing the reason behind those posts, seriously.

How am I using ad hominem incorrectly (I'm not)? Ad hominem is calling someone an asshole or a bitch.

Bro it literally does not matter how you see it, calling someone an asshole or a bitch or any insult like that is an ad hominem.

You said AD HOMINEM...not SEXIST.  I simply disagreed with Ad Hominem....you simply can't admit when you are wrong, and quickly turn defensive.

And if anybody does have a problem with me and is PMing you, they can try talking to me instead of someone who knows nothing about me. And if they can't do that, they don't matter enough for me to care

That is a YOU problem.  Don't bitch to me about it.

I didn't come back here to bicker with people I don't even talk to here, like you.

Yet you constantly bicker with so many different people.  Look for the common denominator....like I said, its a YOU problem.

I offered you a truce and here you are with another screed dressing down my character which I do take offense to. Enjoy yourself. I'm done and I'm not about to wish ill on you. Just wish you'd stop running your mouth about me when I am trying to just end this peaceably between us. If this is 'BS' - my attempts to placate your belligerent nature - then so be it. Sorry. Truly. I'll always be an asshole to some people.

You never "offered a truce" Bro.  But I apologize if any of my attacks on your character hurt your feelings....see below:

If this is 'BS' - my attempts to placate your belligerent nature - then so be it.

You very much enjoy lording your perceived superiority over others

Be more self-aware and grow up a bit.  I'm done with your BS.

[Adami]

God damn. This argument has more endings than Lord of the Rings.

[eric42434224]

God damn. This argument has more endings than Lord of the Rings.

It's like the Kiss Farewell Tour. 

(That one's for Stadler.)

[The Walrus]

Don't worry, you've made it clear. I am an asshole. I've removed everyone from my Facebook, even, and put in a request begging for bosk to delete my account. Nobody will deal with me ever again. I am gone. Sorry, again.

[eric42434224]

Don't worry, you've made it clear. I am an asshole. I've removed everyone from my Facebook, even, and put in a request for bosk to delete my account. Nobody will deal with me ever again. I am gone. Sorry, again.

W in T actual F dude.  Is this for reals?   
I had an ex-girlfriend that used to do that...every time it was perceived people didn't like her, she over reacted and said she was going to cut everyone out and threw a pity party.  You need to sack up man.

If you kept your receipt, I would try to get a refund on that new "worldview" of yours, if it espouses this type of reaction.

No but seriously, that reaction is totally not necessary. 

[Chino]

Next time I'm at work and Kiki actually shows up for her shift, I'm going to tell her this was all her fault.

[King Postwhore]

Mike, what are you doing?  You're making a Mountain out of a mole hill.

Unfriending?  Why? 

[lonestar]

Next time I'm at work and Kiki actually shows up for her shift, I'm going to tell her this was all her fault.

 


Show her the thread lmao

[Adami]

[cramx3]

Next time I'm at work and Kiki actually shows up for her shift, I'm going to tell her this was all her fault.

 


Show her the thread lmao

Let her know many of us think she's a bitch   

also, are we cancelling the word bitch in this thread?  I know it technically refers to a female, but never really thought it was sexist as people call males bitches too.  What do I know, I don't typically get offended easily.

Also, did Walrus block me on facebook?  Kind of over reacting to a disagreement that in reality has nothing to do with our friendship.   

[jingle.boy]

Next time I'm at work and Kiki actually shows up for her shift, I'm going to tell her this was all her fault.

 


Show her the thread lmao

Let her know many of us think she's a bitch   

also, are we cancelling the word bitch in this thread?  I know it technically refers to a female, but never really thought it was sexist as people call males bitches too.  What do I know, I don't typically get offended easily.

Also, did Walrus block me on facebook?  Kind of over reacting to a disagreement that in reality has nothing to do with our friendship.   

It would seem he went scorched earth with all DTFrs that were FB friends too.



Also, everyone should watch the "Bitch" episode from the History of Swear Words for a refresher.    Entertaining AND informative.

[Ben_Jamin]

Next time I'm at work and Kiki actually shows up for her shift, I'm going to tell her this was all her fault.

 


Show her the thread lmao

Let her know many of us think she's a bitch   

also, are we cancelling the word bitch in this thread?  I know it technically refers to a female, but never really thought it was sexist as people call males bitches too.  What do I know, I don't typically get offended easily.

Also, did Walrus block me on facebook?  Kind of over reacting to a disagreement that in reality has nothing to do with our friendship.   

He blocked me too. I don't blame him either.

People can have emotional outbursts. Nothing wrong with that. But when you keep pestering that person, instead of ignoring, it will escalate. Just one thing can trigger a set of emotions, past or present.

I just want him to know, I hope the best for him and his endeavors. And to hopefully be able to physically chat at ProgPower this year.

But, Mental Health is being ignored in this pandemic and is just being noticed because Kids were killing themselves in California, and many other people are now acting upon these feelings and emotions, Mental Health issues because of being locked in, being shunned or labeled, especially if one were to accidentally forget a mask, or some other stupid superiority complex a person has because they feel they're doing the right thing for everyone.

[kirksnosehair]

I have to say, I'm kind of worried about that Walrus dude a little bit.  What the actual fuck did I just read?   

[kirksnosehair]

Mike, what are you doing?  You're making a Mountain out of a mole hill.

Unfriending?  Why?

This is why I think there is something more going on here.  His reactions are WAY over the top and it was like he was intentionally searching for reasons to continue the argument but also to make sure he was positioning himself as having apparently been bullied or run out of here by the crowd, but, it's so out of proportion to then go and unfriend everyone (including me and I didn't even post once throughout this entire shit show!) I hope he's OK.  He always seemed like a nice kid, this whole display was out of character from the dude I've interacted with here and on FB.


 

[King Postwhore]

Ben, this wasn't about a girl forgetting a mask. She knew she had the virus,  posted on Facebook and then still went to work. 

No regard for others health. It's irresponsible.

On Mike, I wish he didn't scorch the earth.  His argument started as one thing and shifted. I wasn't even mad originally. 

Then he went on the attack at me.  I defended him before to Bosk1.  You would think our friendship would stop him from digging in. I still don't understand why he was protecting this girl's actions.

I just hope he gets help with some issues he seems to be going through that would allow him to lash out at friends.

[Ben_Jamin]

Ben, this wasn't about a girl forgetting a mask. She knew she had the virus,  posted on Facebook and then still went to work. 

My post wasn't at that Stupid Girl whom stupidly posted she was positive on Facebook.


And with Regards to Mike, I am not going to say he has issues. I just hope the best for him since he decided to block us all after this interaction.

And it seemed he wasn't protecting her actions. He was just trying to understand for himself, why she would do what she did.

[cramx3]

And it seemed he wasn't protecting her actions. He was just trying to understand for himself, why she would do what she did.

I think it's important to understand why people do the things they do, but it doesn't change the facts that she did something potentially extremely harmful towards others and knowing she did it.  I'd be curious of her reasons too, just doesn't change what we do know.

[kirksnosehair]

Fucking BITCH!! 






I kid, because I care 

[ReaperKK]

Wasn't expecting all of this when I decided to catch-up on the rona thread

[King Postwhore]

Ben, why even try to understand something irrational that doesn't affect one's self?  J don't need to know why she did it.  I'd say Brian would since he is directly involved.

To me if you worry about everything on this planet like an instance like this is harmful to the mind.

[Ben_Jamin]

And it seemed he wasn't protecting her actions. He was just trying to understand for himself, why she would do what she did.

I think it's important to understand why people do the things they do, but it doesn't change the facts that she did something potentially extremely harmful towards others and knowing she did it.  I'd be curious of her reasons too, just doesn't change what we do know.

Oh yeah, from what we know, she is a dumbass.

What I find even more interesting though is...Would you have even known she was positive if she had not posted her results for the world to see?

And Cool Chris brought up that other point as well. That guaranteed there are people doing exactly this, going to work positive without telling their manager/boss. For whatever reasons, I wouldn't know.

What I want to know is, is it the honor code style of it's up to the Employee to notify their Boss or Manager of their results? If so, then that is interesting all together...

[cramx3]

And it seemed he wasn't protecting her actions. He was just trying to understand for himself, why she would do what she did.

I think it's important to understand why people do the things they do, but it doesn't change the facts that she did something potentially extremely harmful towards others and knowing she did it.  I'd be curious of her reasons too, just doesn't change what we do know.

Oh yeah, from what we know, she is a dumbass.

What I find even more interesting though is...Would you have even known she was positive if she had not posted her results for the world to see?

And Cool Chris brought up that other point as well. That guaranteed there are people doing exactly this, going to work positive without telling their manager/boss. For whatever reasons, I wouldn't know.

What I want to know is, is it the honor code style of it's up to the Employee to notify their Boss or Manager of their results? If so, then that is interesting all together...

Yea, the facebook post makes it interesting because it proves she knew.  If she knew she was positive and didnt share that, while I think she would be an ass to go to work, I might refrain from calling her an idiot because she was being smart about being sneaky even if I think it's a terrible decision. 

Where I work, I have to sign a form saying I have no symptoms and no known recent contact with a covid positive before entering the building every day (and a temp scan).  For me, if I did what she did I would probably have my ability to enter the building removed and therefore very likely lose my job.  I don't expect a grocery store to have such a set up so it's likely the honor system.