Star Wars Discussion Thread v. Rogue One

[gmillerdrake]

Yeah, but none of that is really important.  If you want to know what actually matters, see my post. 

I agree with what you said, but I think answering some of the questions I mentioned would help given Anakin's emotion more foundation.

This would be my revised narrative for the prequels:

• Obi-Wan discovers Anakin and Tatooine, and immediately begins to train him in the ways of the Jedi.
• Anakin is too old for this training, and has a violent disposition, but OBK trains him anyway because philosophically apathetic people with high force potential are actually the perfect candidates to lead a Jedi Order that exists primarily to help the Republic with its wars.
• The wiser people on the Jedi Council (Yoda) resist Anakin at first, but can't deny Anakin's place on the council once they see his military prowess in action
• Meanwhile, as the war wages on via Palpatine's puppet game, otherwise loyal Jedi begin to question the validity of the Republic and the Jedi Council's role in the conflict
• Dooku, a hardliner who wants to expose corruption in the Republic, is one of the first Jedi to fall and join the seperatists
• Palpatine gets his emergency powers - Yoda begins to see him as a suspect
• Dooku's departure and the emergence of a new Sith Lord paralyses Obi-wan, Yoda, and other wise and generally optimistic Jedi. A conscious decision is made by the Jedi Council to stop supporting the Republic. 
• Palpatine turns to the one hot-headed, philosophically apathetic Jedi still in his ranks - Anakin Skylwaker. Anakin leads an army of clones to ravage Dooku's army and executes him on the spot.
• See how Palpatine has undermined the wishes of the Jedi Coucil, Yoda makes a tough decision and sends Mace to assassinate Palpatine on the spot. Obi-wan is sent to deal with Anakin.
• Mace fails, but Palpatine is badly hurt.
• Obi-Wan succeeds, but not diplomatically. Anakin lashes out at Obi-Wan violently and a duel ensues, one which ends as it does in RotS.
• By this time, Yoda has failed to deal with wounded Palpatine himself, and the remaining Jedi are public enemy no. 1
• Obi-Wan, believing Anakin to be dead, takes his children and flees.
• Sidius rescues the fallen Anakin, and easily persuades him to become a Sith and help smoke out the rest of the Jedi.

The problem with the prequels, imo, is that Anakin's motives are rooted completely outside the galactic situation. His motived to save Padme can never evolve into his motive to be a heartless warlord for decades afterwards.

This would be a vast improvement.

yep.

[Kotowboy]

The Star Wars Prequels ?


Oh you mean Rogue One.

[Samsara]

The Star Wars Prequels ?


Oh you mean Rogue One.

Hahahaha. 

But I sorta like the last list of improvements listed here. That would indeed make much more sense.

[ariich]

The problem with the prequels, imo, is that Anakin's motives are rooted completely outside the galactic situation. His motived to save Padme can never evolve into his motive to be a heartless warlord for decades afterwards.

I'm not sure I understand this logic. Isn't that the whole thing about the dark side - that it gets you with temptation, and once it has you fully, it gives you a lust for power and control. Your suggested narrative is all about politics and logic, and would imply that Anakin/Vader would choose to become a heartless warlord for decades because he thought it was right. Which would be fine, but that was never the Star Wars story. In the OT we see both Vader and Palpatine tempting Luke to lash out in anger so that the dark side can claim him too.

So for all the faults with the PT, I honestly don't have the slightest problem with Anakin's motivations being personal in nature. In fact, I think the story makes more sense that way. The delivery of that story isn't very good (bar some occasional excellent moments) but that's another matter.

[Kotowboy]

What do you think the PT does really well ?

[Adami]

What do you think the PT does really well ?

Gave us a really cool new Obi-Wan.


It also gave us something to hate, as a society, for decades to come.

[Phoenix87x]

There's one thing the prequels succeed at that no other movie in history has been able to do, and that is to make Samuel Jackson boring.

It takes true talent on George's part to accomplish that.

[Orbert]

[orcus116]

Gotta make yourself at home sometimes, especially at work.

[faizoff]

This is a behind the scenes picture of Cushing with comfy shoes on.

[Orbert]

Awesome!  I didn't know if it was true or not, but it was funny anyway so I posted it.  I'm glad it's actually true.

[faizoff]

I think there's footage of it as well and went looking for it but found this gem of a blooper instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S9E90nVDYs



Also here's Cushing talking about the boots in an amusing interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdXLDvx_tHQ

[Kotowboy]

I was just watching an English quiz show (QI) and someone on the panel just happened to mention something Star Wars related and the crowd CHEERED AND APPLAUDED.

It wasn't even the correct answer to a question - they just mentioned it out of the blue.

Gods sake. They're just films. Get a grip.


I maintain that SW fans are far far more nerdy than Star Trek fans. I don't think anyone camped outside a cinema for a week to see the latest Star Trek movie.

[King Postwhore]

Yeah but I've been to Star Trek conventions and I think you're wrong. . But to make you giggle Kotowboy,  I give you this.

https://youtu.be/1RGohIKxc9M

[BlobVanDam]

Classic video.

Why come into a Star Wars thread to complain about Star Wars? And why bring up Star Trek? Chill, Kotow.
There are more important things to complain about, like the prequels, and the global warming issue on Alderaan.

[King Postwhore]

I can watch that video a million times and never get sick of it!

[BlobVanDam]

Back before I had internet, I had that video saved to my computer, so I watched it many times.

[King Postwhore]

I loved every bit with Comic The Insult Dog on Conan.  You ever see when they went to the Westminster Dog Show?  Priceless.

[BlobVanDam]

No, I've maybe seen one other video of him once, but I can't recall.

[King Postwhore]

YouTube it.  It will not disapoint.

[Kotowboy]

Yeah but I've been to Star Trek conventions and I think you're wrong. . But to make you giggle Kotowboy,  I give you this.

https://youtu.be/1RGohIKxc9M

key word is conventions. There are gigantic nerds at a convention for ANYTHING. There are so many Comic Cons every year. I know because Adam Savage goes to every single one of them.

They're not just Trekkies.

[King Postwhore]

Did you watch the video?

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

Someone did a voice dub of the english subtitles of a pirated chinese copy of Revenge Of The Sith, here's the result:
https://youtu.be/H9VVkwRb_7M

 

[countoftuscany42]

does anyone know how box office mojo gets their data?  cause the numbers for Rogue One aren't making much sense to me...
as of today the domestic total is 439 million, but the worldwide total is listed as 440 million, with the foreign total only being 350,000 (not possible).  Yet when you click on the foreign tab you can see all the individual countries and their totals, with the UK being the highest at 44 million since opening.  so what is the foreign total supposed to represent? and is there actually a number showing the accurate worldwide total?

[BlobVanDam]

I checked it only a few hours ago, and I'm pretty sure it was 350m for foreign, with a total close to 800m. Definitely a mistake. I'm sure it will be fixed soon enough.

[countoftuscany42]

must be.  i know it isn't released in China yet so that will obviously make a huge difference to the foreign numbers, but even if the surprisingly low numbers are accurate that wouldn't lead to that low of a total, so someone must have goofed i guess

[Kotowboy]

I checked it only a few hours ago, and I'm pretty sure it was 350m for foreign, with a total close to 800m. Definitely a mistake. I'm sure it will be fixed soon enough.

Yeah this. It was on $706m yesterday.

The site is also listed as : Last Updated 1/1/1970 so I assume there are bugs.



EDIT :

Domestic:    $439,714,705      55.7%
+ Foreign:    $350,000,000      44.3%
= Worldwide:    $789,714,705   
   

Just updated.  Also it's been out 3 weeks now. Do you think it will make $200m in the next few weeks ?

China + Japan for The Force Awakens = $225m and there are eastern actors in Rogue One. So y'know..... probably.

[Phoenix87x]

Possible spoiler if its true















I was reading theories that Snoke is, surprise surprise, all tiny like Yoda, so like you see him all HUGE in TFA, but its really just him doing some wizard of OZ, man behind the curtain stuff. I personally would like to see VIII veer off as much as possible from previous story beats

[Adami]

Possible spoiler if its true















I was reading theories that Snoke is, surprise surprise, all tiny like Yoda, so like you see him all HUGE in TFA, but its really just him doing some wizard of OZ, man behind the curtain stuff. I personally would like to see VIII veer off as much as possible from previous story beats

They released info that Snoke is about 7 feet tall. Give or take.

[Phoenix87x]

Oh

Nevermind then

[soupytwist]

What is f*ck is the point of Stormtrooper armour.

[Adami]

What is f*ck is the point of Stormtrooper armour.

That was a huge problem with Rogue One. Apparently a good hit in the head or chest with a stick is enough to take you out.

[BlobVanDam]

What is f*ck is the point of Stormtrooper armour.

To protect stormtroopers from stuff like loose pebbles, paintball shots, butter knife attacks, stray liquids, light punching, you know, that sort of thing.

[TioJorge]

So, I was supposed to go see Rogue One with a lady friend's kid today and we weren't able to go so he was pretty upset. (He's five, he started screaming and fake hyperventilating and saying that he was dying and that we broke his heart and that he hated everything and that he was going to run away forever)

After about five minutes of that, I hooked my PC up to the TV, turned the speakers up and put on (even though I actually don't like the game much, it's definitely a spectacle) The Force Unleashed.

Kid shut the fuck up REAL QUICK.

Thanks, mediocre Star Wars game.

Then I took it too far and put on KOTOR and he fell asleep while I was like "GOD I LOVE THIS SHIT. EVERY TIME."

[twosuitsluke]

So, I was supposed to go see Rogue One with a lady friend's kid today and we weren't able to go so he was pretty upset. (He's five, he started screaming and fake hyperventilating and saying that he was dying and that we broke his heart and that he hated everything and that he was going to run away forever)

After about five minutes of that, I hooked my PC up to the TV, turned the speakers up and put on (even though I actually don't like the game much, it's definitely a spectacle) The Force Unleashed.

Kid shut the fuck up REAL QUICK.

Thanks, mediocre Star Wars game.

Then I took it too far and put on KOTOR and he fell asleep while I was like "GOD I LOVE THIS SHIT. EVERY TIME."

Brilliant 

I love KOTOR so much. It's been years since I played it though, need to sort that out.

Just been catching up with this thread. My opinion on RO vs. TFA is that RO is the better film but TFA had better characters. I understand that RO kinda lacked in the character development area but it made up for it in so many ways. I think they nailed the epic space battle for the first time since ROTJ, for me at least. I liked that it was dark, I liked the Easter eggs and didn't feel they were too in your face. Vader did feel a little of but as a whole I preferred the story and it felt more like a Star Wars film than TFA.

Don't get me wrong, I liked TFA but some of it felt so forced and just ruined it for me. I was hyped to see my favourite characters from the OT finally back in a Star Wars film, but they all kinda sucked IMO. Han Solo was the worst!! He was like a parody of himself and when he picks up Chewie's Bowcaster and is all like "This is pretty good" I wanted to scream. It's ridiculous, like they've been fighting side by side for over 30 years by this point and we're supposed to believe Han has never once used Chewie's Bowcaster??? I know it's a minor thing but it enraged me. It was just forcing supposed humour into a scene. Also lines like "Do they have a trash compactor?", it was all the worst kind of fan service IMO. It surprised me that my favourite characters were Rey and Finn, they were done well, even though Finn's humorous moments were also a bit annoying at times. The final scene with Luke was easily the most powerful and I think it worked because Luke DIDN'T speak. I'm really worried they are going to fuck up Luke's character in VII.

I think ultimately I liked RO more because the humour didn't feel so forced and it was really cool how it leads right into ANH. I can't wait to watch those films back to back.

TFA did get some things right and did restore some hope for me but it also got plenty wrong. I just hope they don't fuck Luke up. Also, in regards to Luke and episode VII, does anyone else feel like the only way they could introduce a significant threat in the next film would be fir Luke to have turned to the Dark side?? Let's be honest, Kylo Ren is not really a threat at all now, he got his ass handed to him by an untrained force user. What can he possibly do now? It's a shame really. Anyway, I digress.