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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: SystematicThought on December 31, 2017, 10:30:54 PM
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Posted on MP’s Facebook. Nice to see them hanging out again, as much as this has probably happened many times before. It’s nice to see.
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Indeed!!!
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WOW!!!!!!!!
That is great!
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New LTE please
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Awesome.. :D
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Where's the like button?
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Mike also retweeted a picture of his and John's daughter mocking their fathers. :P Looks really funny.
Is it safe to say this is the first time the fans have seen them together in more than 7 years?
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“Yes, Mike, we’re still friends, but we’ll never play together again” :biggrin:
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That’s cool indeed :)
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Heartwarming :)
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Now if only he would sit down and talk it out with James and possibly Myung... I long for all of them being friends again more than Portnoy being back in DT!
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FB is full of comments of a new LTE album. Man, JP & MP must be SICK of this crap by now :rollin
Still, it was very cool to see these two giants together again.
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“Yes, Mike, we’re still friends, but we’ll never play together again” :biggrin:
"Hey John, what's that in the corner? Is that a guitar?"
"No"
"Yes it is! Wow what a coincidence, I brought my drum kit!"
"I am hereby removing you from all writing credits of Dream Theater songs"
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Now if only he would sit down and talk it out with James and possibly Myung... I long for all of them being friends again more than Portnoy being back in DT!
Totally this, but I’m already really happy that MP reconnected the friendship with Jordan and especially with Petrucci, because he (and the families) was the closest to him, no doubt. If I’m not mistaken, in the lifting shadows biography, at the time that MP stopped to drink, on tours, Petrucci was the one that always went to the hotel rooms, clearing it of alcoholic drinks in its frigobars, to help MP to overcome his addiction. To me that was something that showed how much friends they always were.
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Didn't know that detail! very cool! And yes, I'm already looking forward I guess but it's absolutely something to be happy about that these two musical geniuses who were together since the Berkley days are on friendly terms.
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Maybe portnoy it’s gonna tour with JP for the G3 shows :) that should be fun.
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Maybe portnoy it’s gonna tour with JP for the G3 shows :) that should be fun.
I kinda waited for that to happen, but it'll be Mangini
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Love the pic. So good to see these long time friends together!
Nice to see them hanging out again, as much as this has probably happened many times before.
Actually it hasn't since MP left the band. The end of 2016 was the first time they got together, but now that they did it again in 2017, maybe this is becoming a new annual thing.
Is it safe to say this is the first time the fans have seen them together in more than 7 years?
Yes.
Now if only he would sit down and talk it out with James and possibly Myung... I long for all of them being friends again more than Portnoy being back in DT!
Amen!
Maybe portnoy it’s gonna tour with JP for the G3 shows :) that should be fun.
That would be cool, but given MP's focus on SoA for the whole of 2018, I'd imagine this will be impossible.
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Maybe portnoy it’s gonna tour with JP for the G3 shows :) that should be fun.
I read somewhere that Mangini was confirmed as JP’s drummer on this G3 tour.
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This is a great photo and it’s awesome to see them back together and in good spirits. I really wouldn’t read too much into it though, MP returning to DT would imo NOT be a healthy thing for the band.
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Great to see two long time friends hanging out again, their lives and families have been so interwoven over the years, it’s awesome to see them just spending time together. Personally, that’s enough for me.
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JP is answering the fans call to get an outside producer for the next DT album.
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This is a great photo and it’s awesome to see them back together and in good spirits. I really wouldn’t read too much into it though, MP returning to DT would imo NOT be a healthy thing for the band.
I agree, but think about how much fun it would be to see Derek’s posts if Mike were to leave SoA and go back to DT. ;D
In all seriousness though it is cool to see them together. It always seemed like Mike and Jordan remained on good terms and stayed in contact after Mike left, but there was a definitely falling out between Mike and John so it’s good to see that they have mended that and hopefully they will continue to rebuild their friendship, and hopefully will work together in some capacity at some point in the future.
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It's a good thing to see! Lot's of history there.... shame to let it continue to sour.
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It always seemed like Mike and Jordan remained on good terms and stayed in contact after Mike left, but there was a definitely falling out between Mike and John so it’s good to see that they have mended that and hopefully they will continue to rebuild their friendship, and hopefully will work together in some capacity at some point in the future.
My gut feeling was that JP may have felt hurt and a bit betrayed above anything else, that there wasn't really any personal problem with Mike but he must have been like "We've been in this since day 1 and now you walk out on me". But those many years of friendship could have not been thrown to the wind definitively, as this photo finally shows!
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It always seemed like Mike and Jordan remained on good terms and stayed in contact after Mike left, but there was a definitely falling out between Mike and John so it’s good to see that they have mended that and hopefully they will continue to rebuild their friendship, and hopefully will work together in some capacity at some point in the future.
My gut feeling was that JP may have felt hurt and a bit betrayed above anything else, that there wasn't really any personal problem with Mike but he must have been like "We've been in this since day 1 and now you walk out on me". But those many years of friendship could have not been thrown to the wind definitively, as this photo finally shows!
Glad to see all the recent Sherinianisms haven't prevented this reconnecting from happening. Made the pic my new avatar btw (albeit a little modified color wise). Hope this isn't a problem.
B.Lee
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You're not going to Just randomly stop being friends, unless something really drastic happens. I always knew that MP and JP would remain friends, since their families have always seemed to be close. Which is why I laugh at the people all surprised.
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People stop being friends for all sorts of reasons, there doesn't have to be some major falling out. Lives chance course, go in different directions all the time. You don't automatically start hating someone you no longer associate with, you just stop being an active part of their lives. I don't hate the people I was friends with in high school, I just haven't talked to them in 20 years so they aren't my friends any longer.
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Very nice to see as far as humanity and goodwill. I would be dissapointed if they took him back to DT. Would love to see him come on stage and play a few songs though.
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People stop being friends for all sorts of reasons, there doesn't have to be some major falling out. Lives chance course, go in different directions all the time. You don't automatically start hating someone you no longer associate with, you just stop being an active part of their lives. I don't hate the people I was friends with in high school, I just haven't talked to them in 20 years so they aren't my friends any longer.
Exactly what I was thinking, yeah..
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I'm hoping that sometime down the track all members of DT, past and present, are able to put their differences aside, and that a joint tour with SOA and DT comes to fruition.
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I'm hoping that sometime down the track all members of DT, past and present, are able to put their differences aside, and that a joint tour with SOA and DT comes to fruition.
This should have been SoA's goal from the beginning (joint tour), but with Derek's bullshit, I don't see it happening.
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I'm hoping that sometime down the track all members of DT, past and present, are able to put their differences aside, and that a joint tour with SOA and DT comes to fruition.
This should have been SoA's goal from the beginning (joint tour), but with Derek's bullshit, I don't see it happening.
This. It's not like the guys in DT have anything against MP or the SOA guys, but Derek taking shots at them anytime he has the chance to.
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I'm hoping that sometime down the track all members of DT, past and present, are able to put their differences aside, and that a joint tour with SOA and DT comes to fruition.
This should have been SoA's goal from the beginning (joint tour), but with Derek's bullshit, I don't see it happening.
This. It's not like the guys in DT have anything against MP or the SOA guys, but Derek taking shots at them anytime he has the chance to.
I must admit I thought his tweets were funny in the beginning, but then they became a bit too much. But hey, MP has tweeted far worse things when he left DT, and he and JP made amends. Who knows, maybe they laugh about this in private...JP has played in one of Derek´s albums, so it´s not impossible.
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I'm hoping that sometime down the track all members of DT, past and present, are able to put their differences aside, and that a joint tour with SOA and DT comes to fruition.
This should have been SoA's goal from the beginning (joint tour), but with Derek's bullshit, I don't see it happening.
This. It's not like the guys in DT have anything against MP or the SOA guys, but Derek taking shots at them anytime he has the chance to.
There is at least one (possibly two) members of DT who are not all that fond of Mike, it appears.
Regardless of Derek’s tweets I don’t think a DT/SoA tour ever would have happened. Derek’s tweets just reinforced that.
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I'm hoping that sometime down the track all members of DT, past and present, are able to put their differences aside, and that a joint tour with SOA and DT comes to fruition.
This should have been SoA's goal from the beginning (joint tour), but with Derek's bullshit, I don't see it happening.
This. It's not like the guys in DT have anything against MP or the SOA guys, but Derek taking shots at them anytime he has the chance to.
There is at least one (possibly two) members of DT who are not all that fond of Mike, it appears.
James, for sure, and possibly he has his reasons. Myung, we all suspect, but I don´t think there´s a clear reason for it, just probably the fact that MP took over DT´s helm in the last yers of his tenure with the band, not being open enough for his contributions. But thet´s purely my guess and perception, I have nothing to back this up.
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I'm hoping that sometime down the track all members of DT, past and present, are able to put their differences aside, and that a joint tour with SOA and DT comes to fruition.
This should have been SoA's goal from the beginning (joint tour), but with Derek's bullshit, I don't see it happening.
This. It's not like the guys in DT have anything against MP or the SOA guys, but Derek taking shots at them anytime he has the chance to.
There is at least one (possibly two) members of DT who are not all that fond of Mike, it appears.
James, for sure, and possibly he has his reasons. Myung, we all suspect, but I don´t think there´s a clear reason for it, just probably the fact that MP took over DT´s helm in the last yers of his tenure with the band, not being open enough for his contributions. But thet´s purely my guess and perception, I have nothing to back this up.
Actually, MP let his dog poop in Myung's yard one time and didn't pick it up.
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This is a great photo and it’s awesome to see them back together and in good spirits. I really wouldn’t read too much into it though, MP returning to DT would imo NOT be a healthy thing for the band.
Agreed! with the ending of the posting "#givepeaceachance #carpediem Here's to a great 2018!" I think we can look forward to more good things. If MP doesn't come back to DT it doesn't mean that we still can't have some awesome collaborations.
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Just repairing the relationship is important. Not for the sake of DT or wishes of fans, but for the lives of these two people. Think about it. You spend 25 years basically living together, were in each other's weddings, have families that are close, and more. I'm glad they felt it was important to work on this.
For the same reasons, it would be cool to see things patched up with LaBrie too. I'm not sure there are ill feelings between MP and Myung.
Musically moving forward whatever happens, happens.
I did smile when I saw the picture for the first time. :)
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Really ticks me off seeing that one comment under that photo with hundreds of likes, saying "Mangini should watch out" or whatever. Get the hell over it, Mangini is part of the band now and Mike ain't coming back... MP even said he has no interest or desire to play with them again.
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Just repairing the relationship is important. Not for the sake of DT or wishes of fans, but for the lives of these two people. Think about it. You spend 25 years basically living together, were in each other's weddings, have families that are close, and more. I'm glad they felt it was important to work on this.
For the same reasons, it would be cool to see things patched up with LaBrie too. I'm not sure there are ill feelings between MP and Myung.
Musically moving forward whatever happens, happens.
I did smile when I saw the picture for the first time. :)
Best post about the situation!
And indeed Kattoelox, from a pic of two people who were friends since the teen years, that live nearby and whose families and children are all close to each other, everyone asked for basically everything: reunion, LTE, G3, joint tour etc.... just let them be!
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I just saw this. Very cool.
I have been under the impression that MP has been exchanging texts/e-mails with JR and JP for at least a few years (after the initial falling out period). Don't know anything about them actually being physically in the same place, although I do recall seeing an MP/JR picture a year or two ago.
I went and looked at MP's Facebook page, and the first comment that came up was, "Mike Mangini should start looking for a new job in 2018," and just shook my head. Guess it's inevitable, though.
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FB is full of comments of a new LTE album. Man, JP & MP must be SICK of this crap by now :rollin
Still, it was very cool to see these two giants together again.
I saw that too. I feel that is inconsiderate. They offered the photo, take it for what it is, i.e. two friends connecting for New Years. I understand all the arguments for doing it - they don't have to read it, "free speech", public lives, they put it out there, etc. - but to me it's just rude and selfish.
It's not like these guys are shy or reticent to release their music. This isn't Steve Perry. :)
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Also, LTE was not actually that good. #hottake
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Also, LTE was not actually that good. #hottake
Well, it was an experiment after all..
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I'm hoping that sometime down the track all members of DT, past and present, are able to put their differences aside, and that a joint tour with SOA and DT comes to fruition.
A joint tour? For real? A joint tour, to me, usually implies co-headliners, and co-headliners are usually about on the same level, which DT and Sons of Apollo are most certainly not.
As for the picture, it didn't surprise me. Several other pics/tweets in 2017 made it clear that the two families are still close, so it went without saying that the Petrucci/Portnoy friendship had been restored to at least some extent.
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Eternally
In harmony
Our lives will be
Astonishing
Again
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:lol
Nice.
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I'm hoping that sometime down the track all members of DT, past and present, are able to put their differences aside, and that a joint tour with SOA and DT comes to fruition.
A joint tour? For real? A joint tour, to me, usually implies co-headliners, and co-headliners are usually about on the same level, which DT and Sons of Apollo are most certainly not.
As for the picture, it didn't surprise me. Several other pics/tweets in 2017 made it clear that the two families are still close, so it went without saying that the Petrucci/Portnoy friendship had been restored to at least some extent.
They're certainly not on the same level financially. My suggestion would be that SOA opened the show for DT.
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There will never be a SOA/DT tour. In fact, Portnoy will never appear on stage again with DT unless he officially joins the band again.
The reason is it would all create a huge whirlwind. A whole bevy of people saying crap like, "The magic has returned!" or "Mangini better start looking for jobs!" Oh wait, the latter was already said.
And then, if DT in fact decided to stick with Mangini then the stock of DT would be lowered. The hype of some people feeling that a reunion was so close now have a whole new flood of emotion. DT now has to answer reunion questions in every interview. Mangini feels like crap and some fanboys could listen to a new DT masterpiece that's flawless and say, "Without Portnoy they're nothing!"
That's why DT has handled this whole thing pretty darn tactfully. When Portnoy comes up, they say something along the lines of "He was a really important part of the band but we're so happy with Mangini and really excited for the future."
That's also why I was surprised to see them post that pic for all the above reasons. It'd be nice to think that most people would just say, "Oh cool. Glad they're still friends," but we know that ain't how all this works.
It is interesting that Mike tweeted that first. Petrucci followed suit later. I wonder if John was torn about it being posted for the reasons above.
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They know how the internet works... it probably went down very casually, like
MP: "Hey, let's do a photo together!"
JP: "Sure!"
MP: "Why don't we post it on FB?"
JP: "Well, fine, but... are you sure that it won't cause a shitstorm of rumors?"
MP: "Have you been checking my feed? I have people telling me to go back to DT everyday anyway, the world can be so shitty, let's give people a nice gesture"
JP: "Oh, what the hell, ok, it's not that I'm ashamed of being your friend anyway!"
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It is interesting that Mike tweeted that first. Petrucci followed suit later. I wonder if John was torn about it being posted for the reasons above.
DT's official FB also shared the pic so I guess it is ok.
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Very nice to see as far as humanity and goodwill. I would be dissapointed if they took him back to DT. Would love to see him come on stage and play a few songs though.
I would love to see Mike be a guest in some DT show, that will be a great day I love both Drummers so I don't want Mike Mangini be disappointed and make him leave the band.
And I hope Mike Portnoy will be happy with his new band hope he don't feel any guilt or regret in him leaving the band, I want to see him have a Jam with MM, like a friendly drum battle on stage make it fun it will be a blast for the fans.
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It is interesting that Mike tweeted that first. Petrucci followed suit later. I wonder if John was torn about it being posted for the reasons above.
DT's official FB also shared the pic so I guess it is ok.
That's actually the part I found weird. I get two friends getting together and posting a pic, and in this instance I love that they did, it's great to see them together. But it was kinda weird for me to see that DT's official account on FB shared the photo, to me, that's just opening up all the silly comments and speculation a lot further.
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It is interesting that Mike tweeted that first. Petrucci followed suit later. I wonder if John was torn about it being posted for the reasons above.
DT's official FB also shared the pic so I guess it is ok.
That's actually the part I found weird. I get two friends getting together and posting a pic, and in this instance I love that they did, it's great to see them together. But it was kinda weird for me to see that DT's official account on FB shared the photo, to me, that's just opening up all the silly comments and speculation a lot further.
Yes, there's that side of it. But in terms of really giving peace a chance and maybe reconciliation between band members, this is a good statement. It's up to the immaturity of the fans whether to make mountains out of molehills of this pic.
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Yes, there's that side of it. But in terms of really giving peace a chance and maybe reconciliation between band members, this is a good statement. It's up to the immaturity of the fans whether to make mountains out of molehills of this pic.
Oh I totally agree, I'm just saying they widened the opportunity for fans to be immature and silly by sharing it through the official DT page.
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It is interesting that Mike tweeted that first. Petrucci followed suit later. I wonder if John was torn about it being posted for the reasons above.
DT's official FB also shared the pic so I guess it is ok.
That's actually the part I found weird. I get two friends getting together and posting a pic, and in this instance I love that they did, it's great to see them together. But it was kinda weird for me to see that DT's official account on FB shared the photo, to me, that's just opening up all the silly comments and speculation a lot further.
...which gets people talking about the band when there is otherwise not much to talk about right now. Brilliant move, actually.
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Yes, there's that side of it. But in terms of really giving peace a chance and maybe reconciliation between band members, this is a good statement. It's up to the immaturity of the fans whether to make mountains out of molehills of this pic.
Oh I totally agree, I'm just saying they widened the opportunity for fans to be immature and silly by sharing it through the official DT page.
I agree. Even without posting that pic, every regular post the DT page makes has a lot people whining about wanting Portnoy back, this is just adding more fuel to the fire.
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If posting a picture of two friends and former band mates on social media only feeds the speculation and the trolls, we have bigger problems.
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...which gets people talking about the band when there is otherwise not much to talk about right now. Brilliant move, actually.
I guess... just kinda talking about the wrong stuff, IMO.
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Well, it may not be the most optimal thing to discuss. But the thing is, since the band isn't currently doing anything, there isn't really much else to talk about. And it sure beats the typically news "bombshell" for bands that are in between actual newsworthy things, like X member going into drug rehab, or X member getting arrested, or what have you. It gets people thinking about Dream Theater during a "slow time" when they otherwise probably wouldn't be. Nothing wrong with that.
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You know what else would get people talking about DT? News of a new album in the works, or at least the guys getting together to write/brainstorm/jam. Not some lame G3 tour or whatever else they are doing between now and whenever they end up getting together again.
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Don't hate on the G3... that stuff's cool imo.
I also am not a big fan of LTE. They got a small handful of great tracks, everything else is meh :biggrin:
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You know what else would get people talking about DT? News of a new album in the works, or at least the guys getting together to write/brainstorm/jam. Not some lame G3 tour or whatever else they are doing between now and whenever they end up getting together again.
Well, sure--IF they were working on anything right now. But we know they aren't and won't be in the immediate future. So, again, while they are on a break, it's nice that there is something for the general public that would otherwise forget about them to talk about, especially something that is relatively positive.
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And it sure beats the typically news "bombshell" for bands that are in between actual newsworthy things, like X member going into drug rehab, or X member getting arrested, or what have you.
Wait. I get what you're saying - this is sort of a coverup for the REAL news! So spill the beans Bosk: which one of the guys is going into drug rehab, and which one got arrested?!?!? :biggrin:
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And it sure beats the typically news "bombshell" for bands that are in between actual newsworthy things, like X member going into drug rehab, or X member getting arrested, or what have you.
Wait. I get what you're saying - this is sort of a coverup for the REAL news! So spill the beans Bosk: which one of the guys is going into drug rehab, and which one got arrested?!?!? :biggrin:
JLB for smuggling, forgery, sailing under false colours, looting, poaching, brigandage, depravity, vandalism, impersonating a Royal Navy and other British and Spanish officers and a Clergyman, arson, kidnapping, piracy in the Caribbean Sea, perjury, theft, and ransacking a rum shipment. When reached for comment, all he had to say was "It's a hard life for a pirate." More at 6.
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Or maybe, inspired by the public outcry for miscondut in Hollywood, LaBrie finally found the courage to denounce Myung for the brutal tackle on stage.
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JP illegal salmon poaching?
JR unlicensed sorcery ?
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JP illegal salmon poaching?
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James operating a forklift without a license.
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No comment. ...but all of you are correct. :omg:
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If posting a picture of two friends and former band mates on social media only feeds the speculation and the trolls, we have bigger problems.
We have bigger problems.
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"If we would have met Mike [Mangini] twenty years ago, we would have been playing with this guy." (JP)
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-and-john-petrucci-reunited/
MP has no chance to return.
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"If we would have met Mike [Mangini] twenty years ago, we would have been playing with this guy." (JP)
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-and-john-petrucci-reunited/
MP has no chance to return.
JP said that in an older interview on The Classic Metal Show. Not saying his mindset is different now, but I don't like when sites grab older quotes and punch them into current stories.
I wouldn't say that MP has no chance to return, but I will say that the chance is extremely small.
Know what would be cool? Sons of Apollo opening for Dream Theater. Then have MP and Derek do a FII track like "Lines in the Sand" or "Just Let Me Breathe" with DT during DT's encore.
Wishful thinking, I know. :-\
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Know what would be cool? Sons of Apollo opening for Dream Theater. Then have MP and Derek do a FII track like "Lines in the Sand" or "Just Let Me Breathe" with DT during DT's encore.
That would be anything but cool.
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Know what would be cool? Sons of Apollo opening for Dream Theater. Then have MP and Derek do a FII track like "Lines in the Sand" or "Just Let Me Breathe" with DT during DT's encore.
That would be anything but cool.
Why?
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If posting a picture of two friends and former band mates on social media only feeds the speculation and the trolls, we have bigger problems.
We have bigger problems.
:lol
Pretty much this. I mean, it's sad it has to be this way for the same reason celebrities have to be careful about how they appear in public because a tabloid could grab an unflattering pic and then the next headline is "Madonna is dying of cancer." Obviously DT isn't at Madonna levels but they are big enough where they have to worry about trivial things.
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I'm hoping that sometime down the track all members of DT, past and present, are able to put their differences aside, and that a joint tour with SOA and DT comes to fruition.
This should have been SoA's goal from the beginning (joint tour), but with Derek's bullshit, I don't see it happening.
This. It's not like the guys in DT have anything against MP or the SOA guys, but Derek taking shots at them anytime he has the chance to.
There is at least one (possibly two) members of DT who are not all that fond of Mike, it appears.
Regardless of Derek’s tweets I don’t think a DT/SoA tour ever would have happened. Derek’s tweets just reinforced that.
Or put another way, there is at least one member of DT who MP continues to take shots at. One who has no reason to like MP but usually takes the high road even though MP takes the low road.
I agree though that the chances of a jount tour SoA/DT were always slim...
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Well let's look at an SoA/DT tour from their perspective for a minute, and not just a fan's wish fulfillment perspective.
What incentive does DT have to tour with them? Other than doing their friend a pity favor. SoA doesn't bring in a new audience. It limits DT's time on stage as well. DT would be carrying the entire tour.
And SoA? They have a lot of incentive, as a band. But do you REALLY think MP wants to open for his former band? I'll go ahead and say no.
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Know what would be cool? Sons of Apollo opening for Dream Theater. Then have MP and Derek do a FII track like "Lines in the Sand" or "Just Let Me Breathe" with DT during DT's encore.
I can imagine it! DT play Nightmare To Remember as their last song, and suprise, MP comes out for the growl section and the crowd goes nuts. No hurt feelings for MM, since MP didn't even need to drum :D
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Well let's look at an SoA/DT tour from their perspective for a minute, and not just a fan's wish fulfillment perspective.
What incentive does DT have to tour with them? Other than doing their friend a pity favor. SoA doesn't bring in a new audience. It limits DT's time on stage as well. DT would be carrying the entire tour.
And SoA? They have a lot of incentive, as a band. But do you REALLY think MP wants to open for his former band? I'll go ahead and say no.
This. I agree on all counts.
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Maybe if MP had stuck with a band and built it up over the last 7 years but yeah. Not happening with things as they are
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Know what would be cool? Sons of Apollo opening for Dream Theater. Then have MP and Derek do a FII track like "Lines in the Sand" or "Just Let Me Breathe" with DT during DT's encore.
That would be anything but cool.
So...awesome?
Interesting?
exciting?
rockin'?
Anything but cool, right?
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Two of the last things I would want to see at my next DT show are Lines in the Sand and Just Let Me Breathe as the encores, with or without MP and/or DS. 2017 was the year for DT to do the nostalgia thing. 2018/2019 should be years to look forward.
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"If we would have met Mike [Mangini] twenty years ago, we would have been playing with this guy." (JP)
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-and-john-petrucci-reunited/
MP has no chance to return.
JP said that in an older interview on The Classic Metal Show. Not saying his mindset is different now, but I don't like when sites grab older quotes and punch them into current stories.
I wouldn't say that MP has no chance to return, but I will say that the chance is extremely small.
Know what would be cool? Sons of Apollo opening for Dream Theater. Then have MP and Derek do a FII track like "Lines in the Sand" or "Just Let Me Breathe" with DT during DT's encore.
Wishful thinking, I know. :-\
I don't think JP meant instead of MP. He just meant that he gets along with him musically and personally.
If DS and MP hadn't made it a competition I think SOA would be fun opening for DT but not now. Actually I prefer NO opening band.
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MM is DT’s drummer so of course JP would say something like that, as he should. I don’t take it as a dig at Mike at all as I just don’t see JP being that way.
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When I said that it was wishful thinking I was implying that it won't happen.
Both camps are moving forward.
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I am glad they are staying friends. How many other bands' members can say they do this? Has to be mid to low range I would expect. JP and MP have too long of a history to just toss out the window, so kudos to them for sticking together, regardless of what their band/business agreements worked out to be. I hope both of their bands are successful for a very long time.
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Cool picture. Thanks for posting this. Nice to know that the dudes are on good terms enough to take a picture together.
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I'm hoping that sometime down the track all members of DT, past and present, are able to put their differences aside, and that a joint tour with SOA and DT comes to fruition.
This should have been SoA's goal from the beginning (joint tour), but with Derek's bullshit, I don't see it happening.
This. It's not like the guys in DT have anything against MP or the SOA guys, but Derek taking shots at them anytime he has the chance to.
I must admit I thought his tweets were funny in the beginning, but then they became a bit too much. But hey, MP has tweeted far worse things when he left DT, and he and JP made amends. Who knows, maybe they laugh about this in private...JP has played in one of Derek´s albums, so it´s not impossible.
But, obviously, that's not the same.. MP and JP have been friends for an amount of time that cannot even begin to be compared with the musical (and friendly at some extent) relation between JP and DS.. On the other side, yeah, everything is possible I guess, and they can always make amends... well, Derek and the whole DT; because I don't see them making a decision without a DT plural consentiment at this state of disconnection (;D) in between the 5 guys.. Having said that, although it'd be indeed a very cool thing to witness or watch on our internet screens, I don't see it happening..
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Just because you are still friends with someone or reconnect with them doesn't mean you want to work with them again. I tended bar for years with my younger brother many years ago, but he was pretty difficult at times and I would not want to work with him again.
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Just because you are still friends with someone or reconnect with them doesn't mean you want to work with them again. I tended bar for years with my younger brother many years ago, but he was pretty difficult at times and I would not want to work with him again.
The more you know! I'd love to hear more sometime.
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Seeing this pic gave me the warm fuzzies ! After all , they are the Lennon and McCartney of Prog !
Friend of mine predicted MM will eventually burn out from all the touring and go back to teaching,
JLB will step down no longer being able to nail the high parts , MP will have completed the SOA tour
and possibly another album and then return to DT with JSS as the new voice !
Who knows what the future holds ? I personally still love DT , MP , and seeing that picture
so I'm good !
....but still think JP should lose the beard !
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Seeing this pic gave me the warm fuzzies ! After all , they are the Lennon and McCartney of Prog !
Friend of mine predicted MM will eventually burn out from all the touring and go back to teaching,
JLB will step down no longer being able to nail the high parts , MP will have completed the SOA tour
and possibly another album and then return to DT with JSS as the new voice !
Who knows what the future holds ? I personally still love DT , MP , and seeing that picture
so I'm good !
....but still think JP should lose the beard !
You're a big MP fan, aren't you? But equating MP to either Lennon or Mc Cartney is a big stretch of the imagination, with all due respect. Nothing MP has done with DT can be compared to what the aforementioned Beatles did for their band.
And your friend is a big fiction fan, because in all you wrote, there's absolutely zero chance for JSS to become the new DT singer if ever there is one. JSS wouldn't be able to sing 75% of DT catalogue, and I liked the man a lot back in the days.
B.Lee
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Friend of mine predicted MM will eventually burn out from all the touring and go back to teaching,
JLB will step down no longer being able to nail the high parts , MP will have completed the SOA tour
and possibly another album and then return to DT with JSS as the new voice !
Oach.... the stuff nightmares are made of....
I don't like JSS singing on SoA and I would hate it in DT... love JLBs vocals and if he quits the band should either quit or find a younger singer with JLBs qualities...
I have loved the three albums with MM more than the last three with MP. I did not like MPs influnce in the later albums and I don't think it would be good for either MP or DT for him to come back.
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My opinion on this has changed over the years, but at this point, I think if James is done, DT is done. Love or hate, his voice has become synonymous with DT. I used to think JP was the only member that was irreplaceable, but now I’d say James falls in that catagory.
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My opinion on this has changed over the years, but at this point, I think if James is done, DT is done. Love or hate, his voice has become synonymous with DT. I used to think JP was the only member that was irreplaceable, but now I’d say James falls in that catagory.
I think the same and I wouldn't want to hear DT without JLB. I also wouldn't want to see MP back with DT.
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My opinion on this has changed over the years, but at this point, I think if James is done, DT is done. Love or hate, his voice has become synonymous with DT. I used to think JP was the only member that was irreplaceable, but now I’d say James falls in that catagory.
Indeed. He's been on every album since the (for many forgettable) debut, at this point without him it would never sound like Dream Theater, it would sound like a cover band made of original members. We're already past the point on which a replacement singer could have carved a space for himself, this late in the game there are only two singers for DT: James LaBrie on one side, and Not-James-LaBrie on the other, and this include any singer ever.
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My opinion on this has changed over the years, but at this point, I think if James is done, DT is done. Love or hate, his voice has become synonymous with DT. I used to think JP was the only member that was irreplaceable, but now I’d say James falls in that catagory.
Indeed. He's been on every album since the (for many forgettable) debut, at this point without him it would never sound like Dream Theater, it would sound like a cover band made of original members. We're already past the point on which a replacement singer could have carved a space for himself, this late in the game there are only two singers for DT: James LaBrie on one side, and Not-James-LaBrie on the other, and this include any singer ever.
Agree. If they had replaced him in 2002 then they would have had over half of their careers to go and could maybe have made it work. I'm glad they didn't...but at this point I really don't think they have a choice which is fine for me because JLB is *the* voice.
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He could be replaced with someone with a very very similar voice, If it worked for Queensryche, why not for DT?
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He could be replaced with someone with a very very similar voice, If it worked for Queensryche, why not for DT?
I don't know if I'd say it "worked." Most people seem satisfied with the new guy but it hurt their brand. They aren't near the popularity they were with Tate.
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You're a big MP fan, aren't you? But equating MP to either Lennon or Mc Cartney is a big stretch of the imagination, with all due respect. Nothing MP has done with DT can be compared to what the aforementioned Beatles did for their band.
That is putting it nicely. Whoever started the "Petrucci and Portnoy are the Lennon and McCartney of prog" mantra (I have seen it on social media, so it's not new) probably doesn't have a strong grip on reality. :lol :P
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He could be replaced with someone with a very very similar voice, If it worked for Queensryche, why not for DT?
I don't know if I'd say it "worked." Most people seem satisfied with the new guy but it hurt their brand. They aren't near the popularity they were with Tate.
Yeah, but look how Tate is doing by himself... :lol
I don't really want James to be replaced in DT, but I'm open to the possibility if he just can't do the material justice anymore. I'd hate to see DT calling it quits only because their vocalist can't keep up.
The way I see it, anyone in DT is replaceable except JP, and maybe Jordan, from a songwriting perspective. However, I think, for better or worse, this is the final DT lineup.
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I don't really want James to be replaced in DT, but I'm open to the possibility if he just can't do the material justice anymore. I'd hate to see DT calling it quits only because their vocalist can't keep up.
I would totally agree 15 years ago. But these guys don't have much left in terms of output or touring just by virtue of their age. There is nothing to be gained by replacing a member who can't carry their load at this point.
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He could be replaced with someone with a very very similar voice, If it worked for Queensryche, why not for DT?
I don't know if I'd say it "worked." Most people seem satisfied with the new guy but it hurt their brand. They aren't near the popularity they were with Tate.
Yeah, but look how Tate is doing by himself... :lol
Oh I agree. He is the clear loser in this.
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I think the Lennon and McCarthy comparison was probably started by MP. I think MP is as good as the people he collaborates with, while Lennon or McCarthy elevated those around them and could create from scratch amazing and unique material.
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I think the Lennon and McCarthy comparison was probably started by MP.
Ya think? :lol
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He could be replaced with someone with a very very similar voice, If it worked for Queensryche, why not for DT?
I don't know if I'd say it "worked." Most people seem satisfied with the new guy but it hurt their brand. They aren't near the popularity they were with Tate.
Yeah, but look how Tate is doing by himself... :lol
Oh I agree. He is the clear loser in this.
Is he? He is still very active and at peace with himself. QR is without him which they wanted. I think it's a win win. Tate does not seem at all bitter about the breakup.
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He could be replaced with someone with a very very similar voice, If it worked for Queensryche, why not for DT?
I don't know if I'd say it "worked." Most people seem satisfied with the new guy but it hurt their brand. They aren't near the popularity they were with Tate.
Yeah, but look how Tate is doing by himself... :lol
Oh I agree. He is the clear loser in this.
Is he? He is still very active and at peace with himself. QR is without him which they wanted. I think it's a win win. Tate does not seem at all bitter about the breakup.
To be honest, I don't care about Queensryche or Tate one way or the other. Never listened to them. From an outsider point of view, it seemed like Tate was being a dick and it seems like the majority of QR fans agree.
All I know other than that is that he playing in tiny clubs while QR is playing small theatres, mid sized clubs, and casinos.
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I don't really want James to be replaced in DT, but I'm open to the possibility if he just can't do the material justice anymore. I'd hate to see DT calling it quits only because their vocalist can't keep up.
I would totally agree 15 years ago. But these guys don't have much left in terms of output or touring just by virtue of their age. There is nothing to be gained by replacing a member who can't carry their load at this point.
I don't know. Lots of musicians older than Dream Theater are still out there touring. Myung and Petrucci are only 50. If DT plans to be doing this for another 15 years, I think they would have to replace LaBrie and maybe even Ruddess who is over 60.
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I don't really want James to be replaced in DT, but I'm open to the possibility if he just can't do the material justice anymore. I'd hate to see DT calling it quits only because their vocalist can't keep up.
I would totally agree 15 years ago. But these guys don't have much left in terms of output or touring just by virtue of their age. There is nothing to be gained by replacing a member who can't carry their load at this point.
I don’t see DT retiring anytime soon. I think they’ll last at least untill their 40th anniversary like Rush did, so that’s enough years to keep releasing material and touring a lot. If one of the current memebers doesn’t want to continue with that, I don’t see why DT can’t move on and keep doing it untill they (probably JP) decide to call it a day.
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Tate was being a dick but now that the dust has settled it seems like the two camps happily occupy their own spaces. I also can't see Queensryches' current popularity being much different with Tate in the band.
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If DT plans to be doing this for another 15 years, I think they would have to replace LaBrie and maybe even Ruddess who is over 60.
Nah....all of these guys are super talented....including JLB and I think their music will evolve along with their age to compliment JLB's voice and the skills of each member. As they age....like with any athlete or as we've seen with other aging musicians, they might not be able to play 'like they used to' but I can see JP, JR and Co. orchestrating and crafting future efforts to 'deal' with any issues that aging may bring.
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Tate was being a dick but now that the dust has settled it seems like the two camps happily occupy their own spaces. I also can't see Queensryches' current popularity being much different with Tate in the band.
Agreed, Tate's behavior kept me away from 2011 until last year when I saw Tate's acoustic show. I started watching interviews of him on youtube and watching clips and he really seems to now be humble and changed. I have nothing against the current QR lineup but I like to hear Geoff sing QR material even if he can't do it "as well" as LaTorre.
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If DT plans to be doing this for another 15 years, I think they would have to replace LaBrie and maybe even Ruddess who is over 60.
Nah....all of these guys are super talented....including JLB and I think their music will evolve along with their age to compliment JLB's voice and the skills of each member. As they age....like with any athlete or as we've seen with other aging musicians, they might not be able to play 'like they used to' but I can see JP, JR and Co. orchestrating and crafting future efforts to 'deal' with any issues that aging may bring.
Agree with this. I think LaBrie has a unique voice now, even if he can't hot the higher registers like he used to. His vocal tone is still distinctive. The guys will adapt to the changes they go through. It will be interesting to see where they go musically.
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If DT plans to be doing this for another 15 years, I think they would have to replace LaBrie and maybe even Ruddess who is over 60.
Nah....all of these guys are super talented....including JLB and I think their music will evolve along with their age to compliment JLB's voice and the skills of each member. As they age....like with any athlete or as we've seen with other aging musicians, they might not be able to play 'like they used to' but I can see JP, JR and Co. orchestrating and crafting future efforts to 'deal' with any issues that aging may bring.
Agree with this. I think LaBrie has a unique voice now, even if he can't hot the higher registers like he used to. His vocal tone is still distinctive. The guys will adapt to the changes they go through. It will be interesting to see where they go musically.
Unless a lead singer dies or quits I can't see the move to want to replace them. So what if they sound better, it's not the original person.
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When looking at this pic I found my way to Max’s twitter feed . . . wish I hadn’t. It’s like he’s trying to out-douche his old man and his vocabulary is just as limited.
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If DT plans to be doing this for another 15 years, I think they would have to replace LaBrie and maybe even Ruddess who is over 60.
Nah....all of these guys are super talented....including JLB and I think their music will evolve along with their age to compliment JLB's voice and the skills of each member. As they age....like with any athlete or as we've seen with other aging musicians, they might not be able to play 'like they used to' but I can see JP, JR and Co. orchestrating and crafting future efforts to 'deal' with any issues that aging may bring.
Agree with this. I think LaBrie has a unique voice now, even if he can't hot the higher registers like he used to. His vocal tone is still distinctive. The guys will adapt to the changes they go through. It will be interesting to see where they go musically.
Unless a lead singer dies or quits I can't see the move to want to replace them. So what if they sound better, it's not the original person.
Pretty much how I feel. I wouldn’t be a fan of the band anymore if they sacked JLB for a younger guy. It just wouldn’t feel the same anymore. As long as he can kind of hit their stuff live and sound good on the albums, then all is well imo.
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They could find a second vocalist and reinvent DT as a duo vocalist band. JLB will hurt his voice if he tries to sing things he could only do as a 20 year old (and also the bands reputation). The new guy can handle the impossible stuff, and JLB can stick to what he sounds best at :)
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They could find a second vocalist and reinvent DT as a duo vocalist band. JLB will hurt his voice if he tries to sing things he could only do as a 20 year old (and also the bands reputation). The new guy can handle the impossible stuff, and JLB can stick to what he sounds best at :)
Boston did that around 2004 I think. I saw them live and it worked very well.
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When looking at this pic I found my way to Max’s twitter feed . . . wish I hadn’t. It’s like he’s trying to out-douche his old man and his vocabulary is just as limited.
You got me curious. I see he has a new band as well now. He is going to beat his dad's record by the time he is his age. :)
Also is MP recording a new Neal Morse album? After the last album I would be interested in hearing that.
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They could find a second vocalist and reinvent DT as a duo vocalist band. JLB will hurt his voice if he tries to sing things he could only do as a 20 year old (and also the bands reputation). The new guy can handle the impossible stuff, and JLB can stick to what he sounds best at :)
Boston did that around 2004 I think. I saw them live and it worked very well.
Boston also did that when Brad Delp was still with them in 1995-1997 and then some. Fran Cosmo sang the really high notes on songs such as Hollyanne so Brad could sing most songs without straining. It worked great and Brad Delp refered to Fran as his vocal savior.. One of the best concerts I've ever seen!
I don't think JLB is gonna need a vocal savior anytime soon..
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Tenacious D have been doing it too on their recent acoustic tours; the stunt vocalist does the high part while JB sings an octave lower
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The moment DT starts emulating Tenacious D is the moment I stop listening to music.
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The moment DT starts emulating Tenacious D is the moment I stop listening to music.
You bet!
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"LaBrie has rocked for a long, long time.
Now it's time for him to pass the torch.
He has songs of wildebeasts and angels,
He has soared on the wings of a demon. "
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Tenacious D have been doing it too on their recent acoustic tours; the stunt vocalist does the high part while JB sings an octave lower
Mick Jagger has been doing this for YEARS. But the Stones always had backup singers. I´m not sure how it would look if they introduced this in DT.
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Indeed, there are bands where it could work - Meat Loaf's music for example calls for a lot of vocals, and I reckon the backup vocalist carry by now the show anyway - , and Blind Guardian's music to be faithfully reproduced on stage would need like a whole damn choir... but with DT it would made no sense.
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DT is never getting rid of James LaBrie, nor they should.
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The moment DT starts emulating Tenacious D is the moment I stop listening to music.
:lol
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Indeed, there are bands where it could work - Meat Loaf's music for example calls for a lot of vocals, and I reckon the backup vocalist carry by now the show anyway
I'd be very surprised if we ever saw another show from Meat Loaf again, I believe he is completely done with music after releasing Braver and having to cancel the tour for that. For the last few tours Meats voice has sort of been there but you're right in that the role of the backing vocalists increased to cater for Meats voice going.
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I believe Ian Anderson did the same thing for the last tours.
Still, it wouldn't feel right for me.
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Indeed, there are bands where it could work - Meat Loaf's music for example calls for a lot of vocals, and I reckon the backup vocalist carry by now the show anyway
I'd be very surprised if we ever saw another show from Meat Loaf again, I believe he is completely done with music after releasing Braver and having to cancel the tour for that. For the last few tours Meats voice has sort of been there but you're right in that the role of the backing vocalists increased to cater for Meats voice going.
Meatloaf has still got it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L-D6zj5U1g
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Indeed, there are bands where it could work - Meat Loaf's music for example calls for a lot of vocals, and I reckon the backup vocalist carry by now the show anyway
I'd be very surprised if we ever saw another show from Meat Loaf again, I believe he is completely done with music after releasing Braver and having to cancel the tour for that. For the last few tours Meats voice has sort of been there but you're right in that the role of the backing vocalists increased to cater for Meats voice going.
Meatloaf has still got it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L-D6zj5U1g
As much as I'm a fan of Meat that is something he should never have done, so far beyond cringeworthy.
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Meatloaf has still got it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L-D6zj5U1g
As much as I'm a fan of Meat that is something he should never have done, so far beyond cringeworthy.
Wow. That was beyond awful. For a second, I thought that was Chris Farley back from the dead, doing an awesome parody. Guess not. Yeesh.
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That video will never not be funny.
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Meatloaf has still got it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L-D6zj5U1g
HOLE. E. $hit. :lol :rollin :lol :rollin
I had never seen that....that's gold Jerry.....
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That smile on Meat's face at the end was like,.....yeah I rock, you don't have to thank me, it's a gift !
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That smile on Meat's face at the end was like,.....yeah I rock, you don't have to thank me, it's a gift !
...and the look on Mitt's face was like "Can you believe this guy?! What a talent!"
All the while there is some other musician in a cowboy hat legitimately trying to sing. Poor guy.
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I don't really want James to be replaced in DT, but I'm open to the possibility if he just can't do the material justice anymore. I'd hate to see DT calling it quits only because their vocalist can't keep up.
I would totally agree 15 years ago. But these guys don't have much left in terms of output or touring just by virtue of their age. There is nothing to be gained by replacing a member who can't carry their load at this point.
I disagree totally, there would be an awful lot TO gain by doing this. All of the musicians are still at the very top of their game and can go on for another 10 years at least but JLB must be getting very close to having to call it quits before his (and to a large extent too, the bands) reputation and legacy is ruined. Concert after concert these days is followed by lots of online comments that James is really struggling and sounding bad (in places). There is never even ONE comment similar about any of the other members so to me, if it came to a choice between the band quiting before their time or replacing James, then they answer is easy for me, tell James "thanks for a brilliant 25 odd years" and then find a new singer.
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They could find a second vocalist and reinvent DT as a duo vocalist band. JLB will hurt his voice if he tries to sing things he could only do as a 20 year old (and also the bands reputation). The new guy can handle the impossible stuff, and JLB can stick to what he sounds best at :)
Thats not a bad idea at all.
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I don't really want James to be replaced in DT, but I'm open to the possibility if he just can't do the material justice anymore. I'd hate to see DT calling it quits only because their vocalist can't keep up.
I would totally agree 15 years ago. But these guys don't have much left in terms of output or touring just by virtue of their age. There is nothing to be gained by replacing a member who can't carry their load at this point.
I disagree totally, there would be an awful lot TO gain by doing this. All of the musicians are still at the very top of their game and can go on for another 10 years at least but JLB must be getting very close to having to call it quits before his (and to a large extent too, the bands) reputation and legacy is ruined. Concert after concert these days is followed by lots of online comments that James is really struggling and sounding bad (in places). There is never even ONE comment similar about any of the other members so to me, if it came to a choice between the band quiting before their time or replacing James, then they answer is easy for me, tell James "thanks for a brilliant 25 odd years" and then find a new singer.
I just don't think we are going to see DT playing as much of the songs that JLB struggles with anymore. I very much believe that many of the songs from I&W may have been put to rest on that last tour.
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All of the musicians are still at the very top of their game and can go on for another 10 years at least but JLB must be getting very close to having to call it quits before his (and to a large extent too, the bands) reputation and legacy is ruined. ...if it came to a choice between the band quiting before their time or replacing James, then they answer is easy for me, tell James "thanks for a brilliant 25 odd years" and then find a new singer.
Kinda being facetious here, but then why don't bands just get a new 20 year old singer every 5 years or so?
If the band cannot continue because of James' physical limitations, than is is their time to hang it up. The band isn't 4 musicians and a signer, it is 5 guys working together 100%.
We are getting way off topic here.
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There's a pretty recent interview with James that erwinrafael posted where he said they're all pretty much on the same page that they want to continue for at least another ten years. If they do, I think they'll be just fine. They're not going to hurt their reputation. People have been talking about James for as long as I've been a fan. And yet people still walk away from the shows talking about what a great job he did. If they need to tune down some songs or rearrange some vocal melodies, I don't think that'll really be an issue. People were also talking about Geddy's voice for a long time but I don't think Rush suffered for it. James is doing a great job and will continue to do so
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There's a pretty recent interview with James that erwinrafael posted where he said they're all pretty much on the same page that they want to continue for at least another ten years. If they do, I think they'll be just fine. They're not going to hurt their reputation. People have been talking about James for as long as I've been a fan. And yet people still walk away from the shows talking about what a great job he did. If they need to tune down some songs or rearrange some vocal melodies, I don't think that'll really be an issue. People were also talking about Geddy's voice for a long time but I don't think Rush suffered for it. James is doing a great job and will continue to do so
JLB mentioned doing a wheel chair tour at the last show they did when talking about how they keep planning on going strong. You are right, the haters have hated on JLB since the beginning of it all. While I do agree that his vocals have gotten worse over time, they are what they are and his voice is important to the band regardless of whether or not he can nail every note every night. They can still make the live performances work and they will do so.
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There's a pretty recent interview with James that erwinrafael posted where he said they're all pretty much on the same page that they want to continue for at least another ten years. If they do, I think they'll be just fine. They're not going to hurt their reputation. People have been talking about James for as long as I've been a fan. And yet people still walk away from the shows talking about what a great job he did. If they need to tune down some songs or rearrange some vocal melodies, I don't think that'll really be an issue. People were also talking about Geddy's voice for a long time but I don't think Rush suffered for it. James is doing a great job and will continue to do so
JLB mentioned doing a wheel chair tour at the last show they did when talking about how they keep planning on going strong. You are right, the haters have hated on JLB since the beginning of it all. While I do agree that his vocals have gotten worse over time, they are what they are and his voice is important to the band regardless of whether or not he can nail every note every night. They can still make the live performances work and they will do so.
Yeah, I think they're a tight unit now, and only a few years away from being the lineup that lasted the longest. I did not like The Astonishing and have been quite vocal about it, but you have to admire them for sticking to their guns.
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-john-petrucci-and-i-have-gotten-together-many-times-in-last-year-or-two/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-john-petrucci-and-i-have-gotten-together-many-times-in-last-year-or-two/)
"It's funny. John and I have actually reconnected over the last year or two and actually gotten together many times and had dinner together with our families. Look, the reality is he and I have been friends since the first week in college back in September of 1985, so it's a relationship that goes back 33 years. And our families are all friends, our wives and our kids are all friends, we all grew up together, and that's never gonna go away."
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-john-petrucci-and-i-have-gotten-together-many-times-in-last-year-or-two/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-john-petrucci-and-i-have-gotten-together-many-times-in-last-year-or-two/)
"It's funny. John and I have actually reconnected over the last year or two and actually gotten together many times and had dinner together with our families. Look, the reality is he and I have been friends since the first week in college back in September of 1985, so it's a relationship that goes back 33 years. And our families are all friends, our wives and our kids are all friends, we all grew up together, and that's never gonna go away."
That's interesting because I thought maybe the pic at New Year's was maybe a time of mending the fences and that was why the nonsense tweets from SOA had cooled off.
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-john-petrucci-and-i-have-gotten-together-many-times-in-last-year-or-two/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-john-petrucci-and-i-have-gotten-together-many-times-in-last-year-or-two/)
"It's funny. John and I have actually reconnected over the last year or two and actually gotten together many times and had dinner together with our families. Look, the reality is he and I have been friends since the first week in college back in September of 1985, so it's a relationship that goes back 33 years. And our families are all friends, our wives and our kids are all friends, we all grew up together, and that's never gonna go away."
That's great to hear, long time friends are still friends.
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Very good to know! I like how they personally reconciled without the need to make it a PR thing... now, if only the same thing could happen with the other John and James...
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Very good to know! I like how they personally reconciled without the need to make it a PR thing... now, if only the same thing could happen with the other John and James...
It's an honest question : I wonder to what extent John Myung and JLB- and all the more so for JLB- were considered friends by MP and not just work relations. So, that may be different.
B.Lee
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Myung was there as well since day one, James came in when the group was already solified. So I'd wager that, even when things were okay, Myung was always more the "friend from school" than James.
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Mike and James were actually really close from the time James joined until at least FII.
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Mike and James were actually really close from the time James joined until at least FII.
Was it then or was 6DoIT the turning point in their relationship when MP threatened to fire JLB if he didn't take care of himself?
B.Lee
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I believe it was after the 6D’s tour.
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Mike and James were actually really close from the time James joined until at least FII.
Was it then or was 6DoIT the turning point in their relationship when MP threatened to fire JLB if he didn't take care of himself?
B.Lee
I'm assuming but the only info we have about how close they were was a few quotes in the Lifting Shadows book and here and there in interviews.
I think it may have even been Scenes where things started to get bad.
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Mike and James were actually really close from the time James joined until at least FII.
Was it then or was 6DoIT the turning point in their relationship when MP threatened to fire JLB if he didn't take care of himself?
B.Lee
I'm assuming but the only info we have about how close they were was a few quotes in the Lifting Shadows book and here and there in interviews.
I think it may have even been Scenes where things started to get bad.
OK, thanks for the heads-up.
B.Lee
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Does anyone know if MM's signing on with the band had a term length? Not sure if that was ever disclosed
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Does anyone know if MM's signing on with the band had a term length? Not sure if that was ever disclosed
Don't know for sure, but I don't think so.
B.Lee
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Pretty sure in the past all band members signed on as full partners. I mean, they could have rearranged it so that they have voting shared and MM may only be a 10% partner but they've never said anything of the sort. In the past, each member got one full vote.
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Myself, personally, and the way that the band feels is we’re moving forward. Mike Mangini is our drummer and he will remain our drummer until the day that we’re finished doing this. It’s just the way that it is.
Words by JLB.
Taken from: https://www.prog-sphere.com/news/james-labrie-mike-mangini-is-our-drummer-and-he-will-be/
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Myself, personally, and the way that the band feels is we’re moving forward. Mike Mangini is our drummer and he will remain our drummer until the day that we’re finished doing this. It’s just the way that it is.
Words by JLB.
Taken from: https://www.prog-sphere.com/news/james-labrie-mike-mangini-is-our-drummer-and-he-will-be/
That was a quote from 4 years ago. Not saying that they don't feel differently now. They could feel the same. Over time, things can change. I don't see any reason they feel differently. People are allowed to change their minds.
I'm not advocating for a MP return. Just think about this scenario for a moment. What if MM decides to leave? Will the band audition other drummers instead of having MP return? I see an audition process for a new drummer being the direction they would go if MM was out. I'm not advocating for MM to be out of the band either. Just a hypothetical.
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Mike and James were actually really close from the time James joined until at least FII.
Was it then or was 6DoIT the turning point in their relationship when MP threatened to fire JLB if he didn't take care of himself?
I think it's important to point out that what you're saying is an assumption. There's nothing in Lifting Shadows that said MP threatened to fire JL - rather it says that *they* as in the band or at least MP and JP (being the leaders of the band) sat down with JL to talk about the issue. Had JP not been fully on board with talking to JL and even giving some thought to changing vocalists if there were some changes, you can be sure it wouldn't have happened.
Myself, personally, and the way that the band feels is we’re moving forward. Mike Mangini is our drummer and he will remain our drummer until the day that we’re finished doing this. It’s just the way that it is.
Words by JLB.
Taken from: https://www.prog-sphere.com/news/james-labrie-mike-mangini-is-our-drummer-and-he-will-be/
That was a quote from 4 years ago. Not saying that they don't feel differently now. They could feel the same. Over time, things can change. I don't see any reason they feel differently. People are allowed to change their minds.
That interview is from 4 years ago, but I highly doubt things are any different within the band at this point and time. Just because MP and JP have rekindled their friendship, there's no real evidence that the feelings of anyone in the band (even JP) are any different than they were when this interview was done. Of course, I'd be the first to say essentially that MM will be their drummer for the rest of the band's existence is a bit much - before Sept. 2010, no one ever expected MP to leave, and yet here we are. But I'm not holding my breath for MP to return, nor do I expect it. I don't imagine MM ever being ousted from the band - if at some point he's no longer in the band, it will be due to his leaving, and I don't foresee that happening unless he tires of road life again and wants to go back to teaching at Berklee.
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That interview is from 4 years ago, but I highly doubt things are any different within the band at this point and time. Just because MP and JP have rekindled their friendship, there's no real evidence that the feelings of anyone in the band (even JP) are any different than they were when this interview was done. Of course, I'd be the first to say essentially that MM will be their drummer for the rest of the band's existence is a bit much - before Sept. 2010, no one ever expected MP to leave, and yet here we are. But I'm not holding my breath for MP to return, nor do I expect it. I don't imagine MM ever being ousted from the band - if at some point he's no longer in the band, it will be due to his leaving, and I don't foresee that happening unless he tires of road life again and wants to go back to teaching at Berklee.
I agree with all of this. I only quoted that interview because YtseJam asked if MM's contract with the band had some sort of term length, which isn't the case. There's many other interviews where they say Mangini is 100% part of DT, not just a hired gun for a period of time.
In the current state of the band, the only way I see another lineup change happening is if one them decides to leave, like MP. They seem pretty happy with where they're at and don't think they (specially JP) would just fire one of the members. Even James, who is the one struggling the most to keep up with the catalog and constant touring, gets a lot of love from JP on interviews/social media posts, etc.
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Mike and James were actually really close from the time James joined until at least FII.
Was it then or was 6DoIT the turning point in their relationship when MP threatened to fire JLB if he didn't take care of himself?
I think it's important to point out that what you're saying is an assumption. There's nothing in Lifting Shadows that said MP threatened to fire JL - rather it says that *they* as in the band or at least MP and JP (being the leaders of the band) sat down with JL to talk about the issue. Had JP not been fully on board with talking to JL and even giving some thought to changing vocalists if there were some changes, you can be sure it wouldn't have happened.
It's also worth noting that in the Lifting Shadows book, Mike was the most vocal about looking into changing vocalists. JP only said something along the lines of, "We wanted to sit down with him and ask, 'Are you still into this?'" Jordan said he was still new so didn't have an opinion. JM was not quoted at all regarding this and their manager expressed hesitance. It's pretty safe to assume based on all the quotes that do appear in the book (and other interviews) that it was Mike driving this discussion. I think it is also safe to assume that JP going along with Mike's ultimatum may have been more along the lines of telling James, "We're worried this is going to become a big problem" rather than "This is a big problem now and we're on the verge of letting you go."
There has never been any indication that John was that unhappy with James. Mike, on the other hand, has been very open on multiple platforms that he was not happy at all with James.
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-mangini-explains-his-limited-role-in-dream-theater-songwriting-process/
Here's an interview from last year. Although MM didn't address any contractual technicalities, the way he described his role in the band and how it's been evolving along the years gives me the impression that what James said 4 years ago (and so did JP in this Artisan News interview from 2011: https://youtu.be/uLiV2VHMu8c?t=15m16s) is still valid. And, to be honest, I've never seen any solid evidence of his band member status being temporary of anything like that.
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Madman, correct, and let's remember that Portnoy's condition to stay in the band in the late 90's was that he basically be given full control over the band, so while Petrucci was a co-leader when it came to the creative side, he was not when it came to everything else*. Factor in the many shots that Portnoy took at La Brie over the years, combined with Petrucci never saying a bad word publicly about him, and you don't have to read between the lines to know who was behind the "James need to get better or we'll fire his ass" mantra.
*Which I believe to be the case, going from memory, and I am sure if anything is slightly inaccurate, DTF's resident fact checker will let us all know. :lol :lol :biggrin:
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But I'm not holding my breath for MP to return, nor do I expect it. I don't imagine MM ever being ousted from the band - if at some point he's no longer in the band, it will be due to his leaving, and I don't foresee that happening unless he tires of road life again and wants to go back to teaching at Berklee.
Well, it only lends credence to the fact that if MM ever did leave, with MP on good terms with JP, he'd undoubtably be back.
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But I'm not holding my breath for MP to return, nor do I expect it. I don't imagine MM ever being ousted from the band - if at some point he's no longer in the band, it will be due to his leaving, and I don't foresee that happening unless he tires of road life again and wants to go back to teaching at Berklee.
Well, it only lends credence to the fact that if MM ever did leave, with MP on good terms with JP, he'd undoubtably be back.
Undoubtedly? I'm not so sure about that.
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Agreed. Just because you are good friends with someone doesn't mean you want to work with them again.
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It's also worth noting that in the Lifting Shadows book, Mike was the most vocal about looking into changing vocalists. JP only said something along the lines of, "We wanted to sit down with him and ask, 'Are you still into this?'" Jordan said he was still new so didn't have an opinion. JM was not quoted at all regarding this and their manager expressed hesitance. It's pretty safe to assume based on all the quotes that do appear in the book (and other interviews) that it was Mike driving this discussion. I think it is also safe to assume that JP going along with Mike's ultimatum may have been more along the lines of telling James, "We're worried this is going to become a big problem" rather than "This is a big problem now and we're on the verge of letting you go."
There has never been any indication that John was that unhappy with James. Mike, on the other hand, has been very open on multiple platforms that he was not happy at all with James.
Keep in mind that MP, more than any other member of the band, lets it all hang out, good, bad and ugly. JP, OTOH likes to avoid addressing any controversies from within the band, and so therefore is far more diplomatic on how he speaks about everything - you will never get a memoir from him where he digs up any dirt. So the fact that MP - from the public's perception - was more vocally critical of JL than JP was doesn't mean that he (JP) wasn't at the same level as MP was.
Madman, correct, and let's remember that Portnoy's condition to stay in the band in the late 90's was that he basically be given full control over the band, so while Petrucci was a co-leader when it came to the creative side, he was not when it came to everything else*. <snip>
*Which I believe to be the case, going from memory, and I am sure if anything is slightly inaccurate, DTF's resident fact checker will let us all know. :lol :lol :biggrin:
Actually, that's incorrect. The agreement that they forget the fake democracy was instead to simply acknowledge that JP and MP would be the equal leaders of the band. Whether it was determined at that time what roles each would take, I don't know. But as things worked out, MP ended up taking the lead to a greater degree in the creativity of the band, and JP was more focused on the business side of the band. Coincidentally, that's exactly how things are in SoA, with MP taking the lead creatively, and DS replacing JP in the business aspect.
Factor in the many shots that Portnoy took at La Brie over the years, combined with Petrucci never saying a bad word publicly about him, and you don't have to read between the lines to know who was behind the "James need to get better or we'll fire his ass" mantra.
Keep in mind that JP is also far more concerned about the perfect performance than MP ever has been (hence the static setlist, the dreaded click track that the band has used live post-MP, etc.), so don't be so quick to dismiss JP's role in talking to JL about his performance after World Tourbulence concluded.
But I'm not holding my breath for MP to return, nor do I expect it. I don't imagine MM ever being ousted from the band - if at some point he's no longer in the band, it will be due to his leaving, and I don't foresee that happening unless he tires of road life again and wants to go back to teaching at Berklee.
Well, it only lends credence to the fact that if MM ever did leave, with MP on good terms with JP, he'd undoubtably be back.
Undoubtedly? I'm not so sure about that.
Agreed. Just because you are good friends with someone doesn't mean you want to work with them again.
For once, I fully agree with Madman Shepherd and KevShmev. (Has hell frozen over?!?! :omg:)
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JM was not quoted at all...
No way.
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It's also worth noting that in the Lifting Shadows book, Mike was the most vocal about looking into changing vocalists. JP only said something along the lines of, "We wanted to sit down with him and ask, 'Are you still into this?'" Jordan said he was still new so didn't have an opinion. JM was not quoted at all regarding this and their manager expressed hesitance. It's pretty safe to assume based on all the quotes that do appear in the book (and other interviews) that it was Mike driving this discussion. I think it is also safe to assume that JP going along with Mike's ultimatum may have been more along the lines of telling James, "We're worried this is going to become a big problem" rather than "This is a big problem now and we're on the verge of letting you go."
There has never been any indication that John was that unhappy with James. Mike, on the other hand, has been very open on multiple platforms that he was not happy at all with James.
Keep in mind that MP, more than any other member of the band, lets it all hang out, good, bad and ugly. JP, OTOH likes to avoid addressing any controversies from within the band, and so therefore is far more diplomatic on how he speaks about everything - you will never get a memoir from him where he digs up any dirt. So the fact that MP - from the public's perception - was more vocally critical of JL than JP was doesn't mean that he (JP) wasn't at the same level as MP was.
It's true that we'll probably never know for sure the extent to which JP was unhappy with James but for all the reasons Kev stated, i.e. Mike's continued criticism even when he was still in the band and James continuing to be a member years later, I would put money on Mike having the main problem and John maybe showing concern but never truly wanting to kick James out.
Sometimes when there is smoke, it's only smoke. More often than not, there's fire.
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Mike and James were actually really close from the time James joined until at least FII.
Was it then or was 6DoIT the turning point in their relationship when MP threatened to fire JLB if he didn't take care of himself?
I think it's important to point out that what you're saying is an assumption. There's nothing in Lifting Shadows that said MP threatened to fire JL - rather it says that *they* as in the band or at least MP and JP (being the leaders of the band) sat down with JL to talk about the issue. Had JP not been fully on board with talking to JL and even giving some thought to changing vocalists if there were some changes, you can be sure it wouldn't have happened.
Oh, yes, I know it's just an assumption. It wasn't any shot at MP, I tought it was just as things went on but my memory must have failed me.
B.Lee
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Mangini is doing great.
And MP seems to love what he is doing.
I doubt JP and JM would let something this good keave... And why so?
MP decided to leave...end of story.
DT got a new Drummer that they love and couldn't be happier with. Once he leaves I feel its, done.
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Mangini is doing great.
And MP seems to love what he is doing.
I doubt JP and JM would let something this good keave... And why so?
MP decided to leave...end of story.
DT got a new Drummer that they love and couldn't be happier with. Once he leaves I feel its, done.
I actually tend to think the same.
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Does anyone know if MM's signing on with the band had a term length? Not sure if that was ever disclosed
I'm sure it wasn't disclosed and I can't even conceive that whatever Mangini may have signed with DT would have had any sort of "term length." In fact, I've never heard of any band agreement or agreement in which a new member adopts an existing band agreement would have a preset term length (and yes, I have experience with these things although no personal knowledge at all regarding the DT agreement(s)).
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I have a lot of experience in contracts and agreements as well and most of them have term lengths as well as out clauses. It would make sense to do a term length deal and then either renew or part ways. Business is business but anyway, I was just asking not speculating.
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I have a lot of experience in contracts and agreements as well and most of them have term lengths as well as out clauses. It would make sense to do a term length deal and then either renew or part ways. Business is business but anyway, I was just asking not speculating.
In a band? I doubt that any band that isn't dealing with a "for hire" situation has a time limit to it. Out clauses? Maybe. But time limits? Nah.
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Does anyone know if MM's signing on with the band had a term length? Not sure if that was ever disclosed
I'm sure it wasn't disclosed and I can't even conceive that whatever Mangini may have signed with DT would have had any sort of "term length." In fact, I've never heard of any band agreement or agreement in which a new member adopts an existing band agreement would have a preset term length (and yes, I have experience with these things although no personal knowledge at all regarding the DT agreement(s)).
Very different scenario but when Dio returned to Black Sabbath the first time in 1992, he had a contract for a set time. In a weird coincidence, his contract ended on November 13th and on the 14th and 15th Black Sabbath opened for Ozzy Osbourne on his "Final Show" and then reunited with him on the second night. Dio said no way so they let his contract expire and Rob Halford filled in.
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That's the first and only time I've ever heard of a band hiring someone as a regular member of the band, but with a term length. It just seems bizarre.
With any other work situation, you're just an employee, so the gig could be assumed forever (until you quit or get fired or something) or have a set length. But in a band, the assumption is always that you're in the band permanently. This is the band now.
Note that this is different from hiring side musicians to play on an album, or for a specific tour. Those guys are clearly not regular members of the band, just helping fill things out. But when Dio joined Sabbath, was it widely known that it was just a temporary gig?
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That's the first and only time I've ever heard of a band hiring someone as a regular member of the band, but with a term length. It just seems bizarre.
With any other work situation, you're just an employee, so the gig could be assumed forever (until you quit or get fired or something) or have a set length. But in a band, the assumption is always that you're in the band permanently. This is the band now.
Note that this is different from hiring side musicians to play on an album, or for a specific tour. Those guys are clearly not regular members of the band, just helping fill things out. But when Dio joined Sabbath, was it widely known that it was just a temporary gig?
No. They made all the usual statements implying he was back for good. Now that we know all the details, we also know they got a temporary record deal with Warner Brothers. Black Sabbath were signed to IRS records at the time so they got special permission to have a wider release through a bigger label. Then when Dio left they went back to the smaller IRS records.
Very odd time.
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Does anyone know if MM's signing on with the band had a term length? Not sure if that was ever disclosed
I'm sure it wasn't disclosed and I can't even conceive that whatever Mangini may have signed with DT would have had any sort of "term length." In fact, I've never heard of any band agreement or agreement in which a new member adopts an existing band agreement would have a preset term length (and yes, I have experience with these things although no personal knowledge at all regarding the DT agreement(s)).
Didn't Portnoy's contract with Avenged Sevenfold have a set limit?
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Does anyone know if MM's signing on with the band had a term length? Not sure if that was ever disclosed
I'm sure it wasn't disclosed and I can't even conceive that whatever Mangini may have signed with DT would have had any sort of "term length." In fact, I've never heard of any band agreement or agreement in which a new member adopts an existing band agreement would have a preset term length (and yes, I have experience with these things although no personal knowledge at all regarding the DT agreement(s)).
Didn't Portnoy's contract with Avenged Sevenfold have a set limit?
That was different. Portnoy was a hired gun for that tour and nothing more, which is the situation that made the band go like 'woah' when Portnoy went all like: Hey guys I'm ready to do this with you all, I'm joining!
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Exactly. The Rev had died, leaving them without a drummer for the tour, so Portnoy jumped in. It was announced that Mike was filling in on drums for the tour, but no one ever said anything publicly about it being a permanent job. In fact, it was only for the current leg of the tour. Avenged Sevenfold got Arin Ilejay to finish out the tour in January 2011, possibly because Mike had told them up front that Dream Theater was planning to start work on the new album in 2011, but possibly because Mike forced their hand when he left Dream Theater and told Avenged Sevenfold that he was ready to join them full time (which was never the deal).
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A7X explicitly stated they were not comfortable with MP leaving DT. There was an interview with them where they said they don't like the publicity and already had stated there was no permanency with MP in A7X so when he went public with leaving DT, A7X was fairly quick to just end their working relationship to not create more drama around them.
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But he'd already put out his press release!
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I was so looking forward to this. :lol
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A7X explicitly stated they were not comfortable with MP leaving DT. There was an interview with them where they said they don't like the publicity and already had stated there was no permanency with MP in A7X so when he went public with leaving DT, A7X was fairly quick to just end their working relationship to not create more drama around them.
Well, no, not exactly. They weren't "fairly quick" to do anything. That's when the agreement expired. They didn't proactively do anything to cut him loose, according to them. The agreement just ended. The only thing they were quick about was telling him they already had someone else lined up for the next leg after he said he wanted to join.
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Just thought of another example which is obviously an Incredibly different scenario from Dream Theater. With the Guns N Roses reunion I have heard rumors that Duff and slash were just signed for a set time. It would make sense. I couldn't see axl giving up much power in Guns N Roses so in a way they were just hired guns. He also made them play a bunch of Chinese Democracy songs. So that kind of showed they were game for anything or maybe the contract stated they had to be. Anyway now there are rumors that they are recording an album so in that instance I guess it would mean the contract was extended but I seriously doubt they became full-fledged band members or anything given the turmoil.
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A7X explicitly stated they were not comfortable with MP leaving DT. There was an interview with them where they said they don't like the publicity and already had stated there was no permanency with MP in A7X so when he went public with leaving DT, A7X was fairly quick to just end their working relationship to not create more drama around them.
Well, no, not exactly. They weren't "fairly quick" to do anything. That's when the agreement expired. They didn't proactively do anything to cut him loose, according to them. The agreement just ended. The only thing they were quick about was telling him they already had someone else lined up for the next leg after he said he wanted to join.
Thanks for clarifying the part about the agreement and pro-actively not doing anything as they didn't need to I guess, but they were still fairly quick to make it known he was not going to be in A7X fulltime after leaving DT since MP saying "Now I can be with you guys" kind of makes A7X have to let him know that's not going to be the case.
https://loudwire.com/zacky-vengeance-avenged-sevenfold-speaks-mike-portnoy-dream-theater-drama/ (https://loudwire.com/zacky-vengeance-avenged-sevenfold-speaks-mike-portnoy-dream-theater-drama/)
Zacky goes on to say “He told us, 'Hey, I've got good news and bad news. I quit Dream Theater.' We were like, 'Oh, no. Well, if you're happy, then that's good.' [And he was like], 'Now I can be with you guys.' And we were like, 'That's not necessarily what we decided upon. And you should take your time and reconsider.' And he was like, 'Well, I put out my press release.' We were like, 'Dude, that's not how we do business. You should have talked to us before.'
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Madman, correct, and let's remember that Portnoy's condition to stay in the band in the late 90's was that he basically be given full control over the band, so while Petrucci was a co-leader when it came to the creative side, he was not when it came to everything else*. <snip>
*Which I believe to be the case, going from memory, and I am sure if anything is slightly inaccurate, DTF's resident fact checker will let us all know. :lol :lol :biggrin:
Actually, that's incorrect. The agreement that they forget the fake democracy was instead to simply acknowledge that JP and MP would be the equal leaders of the band. Whether it was determined at that time what roles each would take, I don't know. But as things worked out, MP ended up taking the lead to a greater degree in the creativity of the band, and JP was more focused on the business side of the band. Coincidentally, that's exactly how things are in SoA, with MP taking the lead creatively, and DS replacing JP in the business aspect.
I knew you wouldn't let me down. :lol :lol
That said, I cannot remember where I read it, but I remember during the conversations where Rudess was asked to join DT in 1998, it was made clear to him that Portnoy would be calling the shots in DT.