Slipknot thread?

[MirrorMask]

And he even subbed for his father once or twice (with Bruce Springsteen of course), I believe it was 2009!

[TAC]

And he even subbed for his father once or twice (with Bruce Springsteen of course), I believe it was 2009!

I saw that on a youtube recap of the Slipknot situation. That's cool!

[kaos2900]

Another example of Jay being a class act. This move makes no sense for the band unless the rumors of Clown wanting his son to join the band are true.

[chknptpie]

Im really surprised by most things I've read in here. I've only ever heard of Jay as an asshole and what he did to Against Me! was pretty fucked up.

[ProfessorPeart]

Jay finally broke his silence on this. Said he is heartbroken and was blindsided. They were classy enough to do it over the phone, apparently. I also read that Slipknot have since deleted the posts announcing his firing. Nice.

So he did or did not understand Slipknot's decision to move forward without him?

Maybe Slipknot can't decide to move forward with or without him. 

Even if that was made in "error" if I was Jay, I'd begin to have a backup plan in place.   

No, he's gone. I believe their posts were getting hammered with negative responses. At one point they disabled comments and then they just decided to remove them entirely. They suck at handling press.

[TAC]

I don't understand. Why not just make the statement and be done with it?

[Zydar]

I never knew that Jay Weinberg was Max Weinberg's son. That's cool.

He filled in on drums when I saw Bruce Springsteen in 2009, Max was busy with something else (I think it was Conan O'Brien's show).


Edit: I saw that it was already mentioned.

[ZKX-2099]

Definitely explains how some kid in his early 20s got a job in one of the biggest bands around.

[porcacultor]

I don't understand. Why not just make the statement and be done with it?

They did -- it's on their official website. Both on Jay's and Craig's dismissal they made instagram posts and then took them off (likely because the comments are overwhemingly negative, but I can't say for sure).

I've been wondering. When Jay and Alex got in the band, for the first few months the band wanted them to remain anonymous. Same goes for Michael Pfaff (the infamous Tortilla Man, who replaced Chris) and their new keyboard player, who I believe is Zac Baird (who replaced Craig). The latter hasn't even been fully confirmed as being the member seen onstage and in pictures.

Maybe (and this doesn't look good on the band, but whatever) (and its not an original idea either, I've seen someone either here or on Reddit suggesting this) they're angling for a more Ghost-like approach in that the members remain anonymous/exchangable. By that I mean even Corey and Clown might eventually bow out and be replaced by individuals playing their roles. Corey for one seems much more pleased with his solo career than with Slipknot (which is understandable -- he's the captain of that ship) and Clown, for as much as I appreciate his role and dig both his performance and musical decisions, might be seeing a way out of this. Jim, Mick and Sid (the other remaining semi-OGs) definitely have other things to do.

It'd be the ultimate cash-grab. Their setlists have been pretty static for a while now. Maybe after the Roadrunner contract elapsing, instead of looking forward to more albums as an independent act, they just want to spin their wheels as a legacy act (which time-wise is ridiculous, I figured the expression "legacy act" applies to bands that have been active for 40+ years, not 25).

As I say all of this, I must mention that this might not necessarily be Clown or Corey's idea. I think they have a big, big backstage operation (as any major band does) and while they might go along with an idea like this, it doesn't mean they're necessarily the people having the ideas. Not anymore, I think.

[Mladen]

I'd be surprised if Corey and Shawn weren't in control of their own band. Just shut it down already if you've unhappy with it. They had a good run.

[cramx3]

I don't understand. Why not just make the statement and be done with it?

Well they did, but I think this is Slipknot's way of doing things and it also adds to the reason people think they may be dicks.  They deleted the posts of previous members exit from the band as well.  Likely they make their statement and then move on, fairly quickly and don't want the negativity to remain on their timeline. In some ways I get it, but also, it feels a bit disrespectful to the former band member.

Another example of Jay being a class act. This move makes no sense for the band unless the rumors of Clown wanting his son to join the band are true.

I reallly hope this is not the case.  Nothing against Clown's son, I don't know much about him, but the idea of kicking out a member to make room for a family member would piss a lot of people off.

Im really surprised by most things I've read in here. I've only ever heard of Jay as an asshole and what he did to Against Me! was pretty fucked up.

I don't follow Jay closely to know much about him, but it seems people are mostly positive about him.  I've never heard this story, could you share more?

[chknptpie]

Jay announced he was leaving Against Me! on social media, never telling anyone in the band or management before he announced it. They were just finishing an album and had a bunch of tour dates already lined up.

[Lax]

There are rumours the band complained jay was playing faster than attended live

[cramx3]

Jay announced he was leaving Against Me! on social media, never telling anyone in the band or management before he announced it. They were just finishing an album and had a bunch of tour dates already lined up.

Not the best way to end things, was this to join Slipknot then?  Maybe what comes around goes around then.

There are rumours the band complained jay was playing faster than attended live

I haven't seen that, but I've seen rumors that the guys just didn't like him.  I feel like a professional drummer could slow down if that was an issue, so it's got to be more than that.  Maybe a culmination of many things.

[Lax]

Check this https://www.sevenstring.org/threads/slipknot-split-with-jay-weinberg.364984/post-5590161
About tempo issues

[Setlist Scotty]

Interesting Tank the Tech video about who might be the new Slipknot drummer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd3BYmhbx_s

[cramx3]

Interesting Tank the Tech video about who might be the new Slipknot drummer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd3BYmhbx_s

Watched this yesterday, my thought was "he could be the next drummer, but he also could be the next drum tech" 

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

Jay Weinberg get sacked/leaves Slipknot
Eloy Casagrande leaves Sepultura
Greyson Nekrutman leaves Suicidal Tendencies

Greyson Nekrutman joins Sepultura
Jay Weinberg joins Suicidal Tendencies
Eloy Casagrande joins Slipknot

Everyones happy..... 

[cramx3]

What a circle jerk 

Slipknot have brought back the old look for the 25 year anniversary. They just announced a Knotfest in Iowa to celebrate that looks pretty cool.

[lonestar]

Slipknot finally got their metal card stamped with the final boss Babymetal....

There was some great video of the girls on the side of the stage rocking out to Slipknot last weekend...

[cramx3]

I was starting to wonder if Babymetal just camped in that spot and took pictures with every band at that festival 

[lonestar]

I was starting to wonder if Babymetal just camped in that spot and took pictures with every band at that festival 

I think you mean Babymetal held court there so every band could take pictures with them.....

[cramx3]

I think you mean Babymetal held court there so every band could take pictures with them.....

No ego just results

[Adami]

That’s cool.

For some reason I tended to assume that the Babymetal singers didn’t really care about metal and were just doing it as a gig.

[cramx3]

That’s cool.

For some reason I tended to assume that the Babymetal singers didn’t really care about metal and were just doing it as a gig.

My understanding, the girls didn't know about metal when Babymetal was started, but they've been around for awhile now.  I don't know if they are fans now, but it seems like they have found respect for other bands and likewise back. 

[lonestar]

Yeah, in the beginning it was just a gig, but they've definitely embraced the genre and culture. Thursday night in SF, you could plainly tell they were having an absolute blast with the insane reaction they got from the SF crowd, and you just take one look at their recent performances with Bring Me the Horizon at their Tokyo shows (they did Kingslayer onstage with them), they are full on metalheads now.


Here's the BMTH performance, even if you aren't a fan of either, you gotta respect this one, it's so energetic and intense...

https://youtu.be/6kYS_DMCuxw?si=d6vUOcJzi__s3IU7

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

Eloy is such a beast and i'm not surprised he eventually got an offer from a bigger band.

Watching some of the clips, the energy he plays with could power a small city....yikes!

SLIPKNOT LIVE - 25th ANNIVERSARY SHOW - PIONEER TOWN, CA

[Mladen]

Eloy is great, but I'm still wondering what was wrong with Jay in the first place. It's not like they had to kick out a clearly inferior drummer, that guy was just as brilliant.

[porcacultor]

Eloy is great, but I'm still wondering what was wrong with Jay in the first place. It's not like they had to kick out a clearly inferior drummer, that guy was just as brilliant.

I've been finding a few points of comparison that might explain why the shift was interesting from a live performance perspective.

Here's the segue into the last chorus for People = Shit played last year with Jay: https://youtu.be/XlbB5p_VgZM?t=172

Now here's the same part played last saturday with Eloy: https://youtu.be/RvM43lW82mw?t=281

Another good track to compare is Psychosocial. Jay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r50aLOIz9Y4) and Eloy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGtyPLzfHDw).

Or Duality. Jay (https://youtu.be/GGe7IM-GBE8?t=65) and Eloy (https://youtu.be/rozAjykeNL8?si=yAlv9vRP7I2Uf5oW).

I think it's pretty clear that Eloy reigning in the tempos is doing WONDERS for the band's performance overall. It's less of a strain on Corey, it helps everyone take their cues together (not a mean feat for a 9-piece group)... it's a pretty fantastic difference in my book.

I dig Jay a bunch as a drummer, really enjoyed the albums that came out while he was in the band. But these examples I offered above are pretty rough.

I'll concede that Jay's rushing live wasn't bad enough to warrant the dismissal for that reason alone -- but if the rumors are right and he was tough to deal with in an interpersonal level (within the band and with the crew), then it becomes really hard to keep the guy in. Especially with him having nearly 10 years to get his act together in both fronts (performance and alleged [lack of] interpersonal skills).

[Mladen]

Interesting points. I did notice that he often pushed the tempo up a few notches in the live performances, but I had no idea that it could have caused a large issue. Something like that could've been addressed in rehearsals. However, it's news to me that he was difficult to get along with. A dismissal would then make sense, though it's a shame.

[cramx3]

Generally pushing the tempo is good in the live setting for my tastes in live music.

I think it was a more personal thing between him and the band.  The musical differences which likely exist were probably more minor.

[Adami]

Huh.

I kind of assumed that for at least the last decade or so that Slipknot would just play to a click or something.

But since they're not, isn't that the kind of music you DON'T want perfectly stable tempos?

[cramx3]

I'll try to go to the MSG show 

[porcacultor]

Huh.

I kind of assumed that for at least the last decade or so that Slipknot would just play to a click or something.

But since they're not, isn't that the kind of music you DON'T want perfectly stable tempos?

Absolutely. Eloy isn't playing to a grid or holding the rest of the band to one -- he's avoiding the (at times) clumsy fluctuations that happened in some cases (and specific songs) that were just too fast. The songs themselves still have their natural tempo swells and dips.

Take Psychosocial. It became commonplace over the years for SK to play it twice as fast. Now with Eloy they're doing it at studio tempo and the groove is just there again.