One thing I always wanted to ask: why do some forums start new threads after a while, like this?
I just can't understand how anyone could prefer And Justice For all to Master Of Puppets.
That's just me though :-\
Agreed. Justice may be the best thrash album ever.Uh yeah, Justice is barely even thrash. And even if it was, there are about 100 thrash albums that I would probably prefer. The mix is hollow and there's like no energy in any of the songs other than Blackened, the second half of One, and Dyer's Eve.
Na, Rust In Peace beats the shit out of Metallica's entire catalogue. That's just the truth.
Okay maybe not really. But RIP is the best thrash album ever.
Intricate writing = songs that outstay their welcome by a considerable margin.Have to agree here. AJFA is good but has a ton of flaws. One was never my favorite Metallica song, probably wouldn't even make my top ten.
Darker vibe = shit production with horrible sounding guitars.
RIP is not even Megadeth's best album
Because you knew what it was at 9 years old.
10.Lulu. I don't consider this a Metallica album because it's a collab with Lou Reed. Has some genuinely good moments and nowhere near as awful as people make it out to be. Complaining about the vocals on a Lou Reed album is like complaining about the drumming on a White Stripes record.
6. St. Anger (I actually like SA quite a bit. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. SA was to TBA what a snarling angry rabid junkyard dog is to Paris Hilton's chihuahua.)
Lou wrote all the lyrics and vocal melodies
Yeah, what vocal melodies? All I can here is a goat moaning while James is fucking up whatever's left of his vocal cords again, like he did with So What in the early nineties. "I AM THE TABLE!" is possibly the funniest line on any album Metallica have made or appeared on though.Lou wrote all the lyrics and vocal melodies
wat
I love how pissed off St Anger is . And it's not fake. It's pure aggression and frustration on a CD.
Yeah, definitely!I love how pissed off St Anger is . And it's not fake. It's pure aggression and frustration on a CD.
Well said, buddie. Just listened to St. Anger in full for the first time in a while. Really good album. And I gotta say it's got Het's best vocal performance.
Yeah, definitely!I love how pissed off St Anger is . And it's not fake. It's pure aggression and frustration on a CD.
Well said, buddie. Just listened to St. Anger in full for the first time in a while. Really good album. And I gotta say it's got Het's best vocal performance.
I'm very old school when it comes to "the big four".... And I hate people from other generations (for instance those people that only listen to classic rock) that do this, but I guess I understand how they feel. Every single one of them lost a step entering the 90's. Maybe that's why I started listening to college stuff. It seemed more honest than what thrash had become. I only really love Megadeth's first four albums....RIP was a step down from SFSGSW IMO...and then the wheels just completely fell of with CtE...which was just unlistenable to me. Anthrax was one of the more consistent bands. Their first three albums were dynamite...then they maybe did the "comic book humor" angle a bit too much for SoE, but it was still a good album. But after that they came out with their two *best albums* in PoT and SoWN. (if Metallica and Megadeth wanted a change of direction, they would have been better off going heavier). Slayer was definitely the most consistent of the big four. But it also never really went anywhere. They kinda tried the nu-metal thing for one album, so I at least have to give them credit for trying. But they were really a "one trick pony". But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
My Metallica rankings:
1. Master of Puppets
2. Ride the Lightning
3. Kill 'em All
4. ...And Justice for All
5. Death Magnetic
6. St. Anger (I actually like SA quite a bit. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. SA was to TBA what a snarling angry rabid junkyard dog is to Paris Hilton's chihuahua.)
7. Metallica
8. Load/Reload
Yeah, definitely!I love how pissed off St Anger is . And it's not fake. It's pure aggression and frustration on a CD.
Well said, buddie. Just listened to St. Anger in full for the first time in a while. Really good album. And I gotta say it's got Het's best vocal performance.
It's probably his most dynamic range on an album as far as singing, screaming and growling go but he does veer out of tune on many occasions. It does add to the whole vibe of it being spontaneous and raw though.
However - for best vocals on a CD i think Load takes the crown.
Whenever someone likes Death Magnetic, I die a little on the inside.
Metallica should make music like their first 4 albums.
Metallica is trying too hard to recapture former glory by ripping themselves off.
AJFA would probably be my favorite Metallica album if it had better production.
I think Load/ReLoad are both the kind of albums I appreciate because the band did what they wanted to do themselves, and even though you can argue about the result (I don't think Load is better than any of RTL, MoP or AJFA), it was still a good release, and the band did what they wanted to do. With Death Magnetic, personally I felt like it just lacked any energy or creativity. It basically felt like the band forced themselves into the studio to make a record tailor made after what the fans requested, with no real interest in going down that road again. Whatever they said themselves, Death Magnetic to me feels a bit like when a director is almost forced to come back to a movie-franchise he has no interest in continuing, so the result is just something to "get it over with" and shut people up.
And at least Load and Reload had variety and were different. Death Magnetic is pretty much a carbon copy of the classic albums, except it is 50 times worse.
Yeah god forbid anybody "try hard."
[if you listen to "Demo Magnetic" - you'll hear that some of the songs were much better in demo form than on the final CD]I never paid much attention to Demo Magnetic, but as a result of your comment I listened to bits of songs from it and found that for example BB&S is much better on Demo Magnetic than on the final CD. Wow, that's cool.
I listened to most of Demo magnetic and was glad that I didn't feel like I had to turn the volume down.
I'm very old school when it comes to "the big four".... And I hate people from other generations (for instance those people that only listen to classic rock) that do this, but I guess I understand how they feel. Every single one of them lost a step entering the 90's. Maybe that's why I started listening to college stuff. It seemed more honest than what thrash had become. I only really love Megadeth's first four albums....RIP was a step down from SFSGSW IMO...and then the wheels just completely fell of with CtE...which was just unlistenable to me. Anthrax was one of the more consistent bands. Their first three albums were dynamite...then they maybe did the "comic book humor" angle a bit too much for SoE, but it was still a good album. But after that they came out with their two *best albums* in PoT and SoWN. (if Metallica and Megadeth wanted a change of direction, they would have been better off going heavier). Slayer was definitely the most consistent of the big four. But it also never really went anywhere. They kinda tried the nu-metal thing for one album, so I at least have to give them credit for trying. But they were really a "one trick pony". But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.It's funny, I pretty much agree with all of this now, but felt pretty differently at the time. I listened to SFSGSW a couple of weeks ago and still think it's their best album. Pretty much the only one I listen to anymore. Thought it week when it first came out. PoT and SoWN are the only Anthrax albums I still listen to, despite StD being a seminal album for me growing up. Side two of AtL is pretty solid, as well. Can't stand The Black Album, and while I like Lode and ReLoad a good deal, it's pretty much a different band altogether for me. Slayer just became to samey for me. Everything up to SitA is great. After that I couldn't tell you one album from another.
As for Metallica, the one thing I want to know is WTF they haven't released a remastered AJFA yet.
What AJFA really needs is a remix, not a remaster.
What AJFA really needs is a remix, not a remaster.
Metallica just need to be more spontaneous in the studio and not re-work and re-work and re-work ideas until they're stale.
Oh Lars...Oh Kirk...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCAq9LmySnY
Oh Lars...Wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCAq9LmySnY
Oh Kirk...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546KjKMB9kw
Yeah, I think we already discussed that clip some time (well, a lot of time) ago in the previous thread.
Oh Kirk...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546KjKMB9kw
I knew it would be that clip.
Sometimes rhythms take a while to get into your brain. If it's a weird pattern that doesn't accent in the logical places then it can be really confusing.
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history :metal
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history :metal
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history :metalWait....what? All those bands existed during the 80s. You should take a listen to Panteras first release. The glam scene basically dried out in the early 90s and it was pretty easy for the grunge scene to kill it last breath but they basically also in the process strangeld the metal scene to become an underground movement which of course as you say helped build a new generation of metal acts. There are/will of course always be exceptions to the rule.
Have they really only made 9 albums? I over 30 years?? That sucks!!
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history :metalUh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.
Have they really only made 9 albums? I over 30 years?? That sucks!!
#stillbetterthantool
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history :metalUh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history :metalUh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.
By the time Master of Puppets and AJFA thrash was far more than "underground" and although it is obvious that grunge had a lot to do with the decline in popularity of glam/hair metal, I argue that thrash metal played a part. I know several people who were huge glam metal fans but started to like thrash/groove/death metal as the sub-genres became more relevant.
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history :metalUh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.
By the time Master of Puppets and AJFA thrash was far more than "underground" and although it is obvious that grunge had a lot to do with the decline in popularity of glam/hair metal, I argue that thrash metal played a part. I know several people who were huge glam metal fans but started to like thrash/groove/death metal as the sub-genres became more relevant.
Thrash was the pushback against glam from the start. Both trends were getting started in the early 80's....but as the heroes of the 70's (Judas Priest with Turbo, Ozzy with The Ultimate Sin, Iron Maiden withe SiT, Whitesnake with S/T...etc) began to follow the more commercial trend that glam offered through the mid-80s, more and more of the hard core fans began to jump ship and investigate thrash more.
Yeah, I don't understand this thrash/glam discussion at all. Sure, the bands probably weren't fans of each other, but neither side ever "killed" the other side. Grunge killed them both at the same time.Thrash bands seemed to have a much higher rate of survival than glam bands though.
The record labels and MTV killed glam.
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history :metalUh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.
By the time Master of Puppets and AJFA thrash was far more than "underground" and although it is obvious that grunge had a lot to do with the decline in popularity of glam/hair metal, I argue that thrash metal played a part. I know several people who were huge glam metal fans but started to like thrash/groove/death metal as the sub-genres became more relevant.
Thrash was the pushback against glam from the start. Both trends were getting started in the early 80's....but as the heroes of the 70's (Judas Priest with Turbo, Ozzy with The Ultimate Sin, Iron Maiden withe SiT, Whitesnake with S/T...etc) began to follow the more commercial trend that glam offered through the mid-80s, more and more of the hard core fans began to jump ship and investigate thrash more.
Whitesnake's S/T is by far their most popular / well known album to this day, and they only did one album after that before they stopped and grunge set in. Ozzy Osbourne remained popular throughout the '80s, with all of those albums going multi-platinum.
I don't see any correlation between glam and thrash, or any real evidence that people were jumping from glam to thrash. They're entirely different genres. The only trend I see is grunge becoming popular, which had an impact on most rock/metal, including glam and thrash.
Sometimes I wonder if DTF is using bizarro-wikipedia or something.
Okay boys and girls, sit down. Let Uncle Jaq tell you a story.
No, not one of those, Kev, hush.
See, it's like this.
The notion that the 80s was all "scenes" and people abandoned subgenre x for the purity of subgenre y? Is totally an invention of the post-80s explosion of subgenres. Oh, sure, you had elitists back then that insisted that certain bands were better, or more "true", or more whatever, but in the 80s? We were heavy metal fans. The stark delineations of "glam" and "thrash" and all that which people insist was a thing? Didn't happen. You could have in your collection Poison's Look What The Cat Dragged In, the first Vinnie Vincent Invasion album, Diamond Head's Lightning to the Nations, Master of Puppets, and Quiet Riot's Metal Health, and people wouldn't even bat an eye at you.
I know, because I owned every one of those albums.
Yeah, back then you had people who liked a band and thought people who liked other bands were poseurs and wimps and whatnot. That's never going to change. But back in 1987, every metal head I knew-every fucking one of them-liked Whitesnake's self titled, and not just for the videos. The war between thrash and glam was largely created after the fact by a few journalists and guys in bands trying to overstate the importance of their legacies. Truth was, in the actual world of metal, you could and did like both Slayer and Ratt.
Thrash had nothing to do with killing glam metal, for what it's worth. For one thing, the number of thrash bands with legitimate, chart topping success could be counted on your fingers. The reason why the Big Four was the Big Four? They were successful. For another, the supposed death of glam by grunge was simply record labels finally finding something else to move on to. Glam as a commercial force largely was spent by 1990, with only a few bands having the success of the bands in the mid-80s. Grunge finally gave them an excuse to jettison the dozens of big hair metallers that hadn't been making them money. The writing was on the wall for Glam by 1990, it just took the labels two years to see it.
Trust me, guys. I was there. Anyone who was there and says different is a minority. Metal really was different back then. And oddly enough, far more open minded.
Looks like Metallica's next album will be called "Revisionist History"?
The band's manager Peter Mensch did an AMA.
A couple of titbits :
1.) He says the band are not allowed to tour next year and have to deliver a new album.
2.) He says he and Cliff Bernstein aren't fans of the loudness wars and states " certain people habitually brickwall their albums. We don't like that. "
Could this be a clue that Rick Rubin is NOT set to produce Metallica 10 ?
Anyway - a couple of interesting and promising little vignettes.
This!The band's manager Peter Mensch did an AMA.
A couple of titbits :
1.) He says the band are not allowed to tour next year and have to deliver a new album.
2.) He says he and Cliff Bernstein aren't fans of the loudness wars and states " certain people habitually brickwall their albums. We don't like that. "
Could this be a clue that Rick Rubin is NOT set to produce Metallica 10 ?
Anyway - a couple of interesting and promising little vignettes.
NICE
The band's manager Peter Mensch did an AMA.
A couple of titbits :
1.) He says the band are not allowed to tour next year and have to deliver a new album.
2.) He says he and Cliff Bernstein aren't fans of the loudness wars and states " certain people habitually brickwall their albums. We don't like that. "
Could this be a clue that Rick Rubin is NOT set to produce Metallica 10 ?
Anyway - a couple of interesting and promising little vignettes.
Or Uncyclopedia.I laughed my ass off in the Metallica article. Dunno why it was taken off.
Their article on Alliteration has to be seen :lol
Every single word in the entire article begins with the letter A. :lol
Outstanding. https://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Alliteration
Good production does not excuse poor songwriting though.
Good production does not excuse poor songwriting though.
Good production does not excuse poor songwriting though.
That. It definitely would have been an improvement, but regardless, the songs are sloppily played, lazily written and repetitive, and there would still only be a few decent songs on the album.
I can't even listen to the regular DM. It is unlistenable. I have the GH3 version, which sounds much better. DM was a well recorded and mixed album, then they messed it up and brickwalled the crap out of it.
Good production does not excuse poor songwriting though.
That. It definitely would have been an improvement, but regardless, the songs are sloppily played, lazily written and repetitive, and there would still only be a few decent songs on the album.
I can't even listen to the regular DM. It is unlistenable. I have the GH3 version, which sounds much better. DM was a well recorded and mixed album, then they messed it up and brickwalled the crap out of it.
Even in the GH3 versions - The rhythm guitar sounds really weak and fizzy. This is a massive error when you have James Hetfield in the band - who usually gets colossal rhythm tones.
The best solos on Death Magnetic are James' solos. No surprise there.
The melodic solo and first half of the big Suicide & Redemption solo where it's really interesting. You can tell the instant Kirk comes in as it goes WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
:lol
What's bad about wah anyway?
I always thought it was a nice way to stand out.
Regarding production for Death Magnetic, I have a few issues that go beyond the clipping etc.
1) Lars' tom heads are coated, and really don't sound great.
2) They need to trigger his kick drums. Lars doesn't have the ability to play fast double bass as intensely as he does when he's doing accent kicks. So what you get is really quiet double bass, and then very loud accented bass. This is even more noticeable on St. Anger.
3) Rob's Bass tone is lacking muscle. It's not bad by itself, but I think the best bass tone they had was Jason's from the Black Album - Reload days. It had muscle, thickness and warmth.
4) The complete lack of vocal harmonies. I honestly don't understand the motivation behind that one at all.
5) Kirk's solos. Oh Kirk. He needs someone to really push him very VERY hard on his solos. Wah or no wah, you obviously can't just say "do whatever you want" because it will sound horrible. I remember seeing how hard he was pushed on the solo from The Unforgiven, and how well that turned out. He needs someone to guide him.
6) Lars needs a Ride cymbal again. I don't think I have to explain that.
Now, I had a lot of problems with the song writing on DM, but strictly production wise, those were my issues that go beyond the mere clipping of it all.
So it seems that 2014 will be spent *solely* on the new album according to virtually everyone in Metallica land.
Lars said " 2014 is new album - you'll hear it in 18 months or so ".
Kirk said that after the movie is out - they wanna focus on nothing else but a new album.
Manager Peter Mensch has said that they have to deliver an album in 2014.
So it's finally on the way.
I hope it's true too. And I hope it'll be a good album.
I hope it's true too. And I hope it'll be a good album.
That's what makes me worried :-\
This absolutely has to be their last album.:biggrin:
But I do think Lars and James have stepped up in recent years and if they bring that to the new album it could be decent.
They just need a producer who will push them for excellence and not clip the shit out of it.
If they went with the crew that made In Waves - that would sound fantastic.
[ Metallica manager Peter Mensch also hinted that Rick Ruin would not return as " He distorts all his albums and we [ Q Prime ] don't like that..." ]
True, they're grown ups now. Happily married men with families, and nowadays Hetfield instead of insulting the audience and throwing f-bombs anywhere he could now addresses the audience as the Metallica family, "you love Metallica, and Metallica loves you", the power of the heart, among other heartfelt things. Truth is that, I enjoyed Metallica more when they were aggressive as fuck, which really translated into powerful live performances.
? :biggrin: ?Check the bolded part ;)
Y U Do Dis ?
Speaking as someone whose first favorite band ever was Metallica and loved them with all of his heart for years in spite of all the jabs thrown at them, the album will probably suck. The dudes are washed up creatively. DM was an attempt to please fans after the shitstorm that was St. Anger. Before the album came out, they said that it fit would fit in a timeline between Justice and TBA, and it sounded like they were just trying to play fast, have crazy solos and be metal again. Bad idea. Bands are allowed to change sounds overtime, and Metallica shouldn't have tried to rehash their old days when they aren't in their 20s anymore. Load is arguably my favorite album by them and ReLoad has a number of good-great songs on it. My guess is that this album will be another shitty mixed and recorded attempt at Justice or Puppets or whatever. If they came out and said "This will be Re-re-load" I would be infinitely more excited. James is at the point where he can't really do metal, but he still has some singing chops. Kirk's muddled waway solos are fucking old and they are missing the bluesy punch that made them great even back when they weren't playing pseudo-bluesy hard rock. I'm just going on and on and on and I know a lot of you will probably disagree with me. 'Tis what it is. In truth, after loving Metallica with all my heart, I'll probably download the album, listen to it once or twice, and chuck it, and that honestly makes me really sad.
Eh, I don't care. Death Magnetic's my favorite Metallica album (I'm not joking, the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful) so I'm already satisfied and I'll take whatever at this point.
Eh, I don't care. Death Magnetic's my favorite Metallica album (I'm not joking, the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful) so I'm already satisfied and I'll take whatever at this point.
I will never feel like my Metallica opinions are weird ever again.
Eh, I don't care. Death Magnetic's my favorite Metallica album (I'm not joking, the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful) so I'm already satisfied and I'll take whatever at this point.
I will never feel like my Metallica opinions are weird ever again.
:lol
I'd be very disappointed if this next album just ends up being DM2, because they really need a different approach, and it needs to be better. And having remotely listenable production would be a plus too.
If we get good solos and nothing hillbillyish ala the loads, I'll be a happy camper.
If we get good solos and nothing hillbillyish ala the loads, I'll be a happy camper.I don't think we'll get hillbilly stuff. But we'll get shitty solos probably. And uninspired drumming.
If we get good solos and nothing hillbillyish ala the loads, I'll be a happy camper.I don't think we'll get hillbilly stuff. But we'll get shitty solos probably. And uninspired drumming.
I definitely prefer it to the first 2 albums. The ones I definitely like more than DM are MOP, AJFA and Load - possibly the Black Album as well, but I'm not sure.
Apart from the horrible production (GH3 rip for the win), Death Magnetic was a great return to form, dunno what all the fuss is about.This. I also enjoyed the solos quite a bit.
the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful
the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful
In what way are the Loads awful ?
With a little bit more work - That Was Just Your Life, Cyanide & All Nightmare Long could have been Metallica classics.
:angry: btw. It's not *COOL* to say you've always liked the Loads.
I HAVE always liked them. I played Reload to death when it came out.. I can barely bring myself to put on And Justice For All.
However - it is *COOL* to habitually bash the Loads along with everyone else who wanted The Black Album part 2.
:angry: btw. It's not *COOL* to say you've always liked the Loads.
I HAVE always liked them. I played Reload to death when it came out.. I can barely bring myself to put on And Justice For All.
However - it is *COOL* to habitually bash the Loads along with everyone else who wanted The Black Album part 2.
I enjoy Load, there are some great songs on there, but the problem with both albums is: there is way too much filler. Load's good tracks save it, but most songs on Reload fall into the "filler" category IMO.
:angry: btw. It's not *COOL* to say you've always liked the Loads.
I HAVE always liked them. I played Reload to death when it came out.. I can barely bring myself to put on And Justice For All.
However - it is *COOL* to habitually bash the Loads along with everyone else who wanted The Black Album part 2.
Thing is, even keeping just the good songs from both albums, I more than fill one CD. So while Reload especially has quite a bit of filler, there's still a ton of great music across the two albums.
Even RTL had filler and that was only 8 songs.
I bet if Ride had 14 songs it would have a ton of filler on it too.
Ok, out of curiosity, a poll for everybody: which songs on Load and Reload do you consider to be filler?From Load:
I hate the word filler, as it implies that the band just threw it on the album to fill up space, instead of just calling it a song you don't like.True, I generally don't use the term very much, but I guess I feel it applies with Load and especially Reload. I don't think they were intended as filler, but it's just how they feel to me. I think it's the combination of the fact that the albums are quite long, and that the songs in question don't really bring anything new to the albums - they are similar to other ones but not very good and do feel as though they're just filling up space.
Ok, out of curiosity, a poll for everybody: which songs on Load and Reload do you consider to be filler?From Load:
- Cure (despite the groovy opening riff)
- Thorn Within
From Reload:
- Better Than You
- Slither
- Bad Seed
- Attitude (still enjoyable though)
I hate the word filler, as it implies that the band just threw it on the album to fill up space, instead of just calling it a song you don't like.
This, and for me the word 'filler' implies that they could have been left out and I wouldn't have minded.I hate the word filler, as it implies that the band just threw it on the album to fill up space, instead of just calling it a song you don't like.
I use that word to imply that there is a difference between a bad song and filler. Bad songs annoy you, you want to a void them and sometimes skip them if you listen to a whole album. Filler songs don't do much for you, but you don't mind them when you listen to an album.
So how about their bizarre movie coming out in roughly two months? The trailer was very strange for it. I liked Nightwish's movie, and I like 3D, but this looks... odd.It looks weird, not interesting and really, really commercial. Like they don't have enough money.
I stand by my opinion that the weakest songs on Reload are better than the weakest songs on Load.PTM is bloody epic if you ask me.
For example - I much prefer a song like Better Than You to Poor Twisted Me.
Better Than You is simple yes but at least it doesn't sound like a jam that's come out of trying out a delay pedal ( PTM ). . .
Apart from the horrible production (GH3 rip for the win), Death Magnetic was a great return to form, dunno what all the fuss is about.
It is a good return to form, but it has a few flaws. But all Metallica (aside from MoP) have that IMO.Apart from the horrible production (GH3 rip for the win), Death Magnetic was a great return to form, dunno what all the fuss is about.
I've been saying this for years.
:angry: btw. It's not *COOL* to say you've always liked the Loads.
I HAVE always liked them. I played Reload to death when it came out.. I can barely bring myself to put on And Justice For All.
However - it is *COOL* to habitually bash the Loads along with everyone else who wanted The Black Album part 2.
I enjoy Load, there are some great songs on there, but the problem with both albums is: there is way too much filler. Load's good tracks save it, but most songs on Reload fall into the "filler" category IMO.
Ok, out of curiosity, a poll for everybody: which songs on Load and Reload do you consider to be filler?
Some of the songs from those two albums that I kind of liked back at the time now don't sound very good, largely because of some really ugly vocal melodies. For example, I used to like Slither, but that "See you crawling..." section now sounds laughably bad.I dislike the vocal melodies in that whole song.
never understood the dislike for ronnie / poor twisted me. theyre kinda the two coolest/funnest songs on Load. well, sped up 2X4 might challenge in the fun department.:tup
Some of the songs from those two albums that I kind of liked back at the time now don't sound very good, largely because of some really ugly vocal melodies. For example, I used to like Slither, but that "See you crawling..." section now sounds laughably bad.I dislike the vocal melodies in that whole song.
never understood the dislike for ronnie / poor twisted me. theyre kinda the two coolest/funnest songs on Load. well, sped up 2X4 might challenge in the fun department.
I love everything they've done.
Just not Kill Em All ? :P
if that's true, it's the best Megadeth album I've ever heard.:lol I agree :rollin
if that's true, it's the best Megadeth album I've ever heard.:lol I agree :rollin
Nothing's wrong if I don't like Megadeth, right? I used to listen to them pretty much when I started out listening to metal, but I just can't stand Dave's vocals. KEA is just pure energy. Instrumentally I'd like some Megadeth albums more, but as a whole I think I like KEA better.Pretty much this in a nutshell
Three words: Rust In Peace
Three words: Rust In Peace
One word: Youthanasia.
But I think I prefer Metallica to Megadeth nowadays. Both have their ups and downs, but Metallica's best albums (MOP and Load) beat every Megadeth album.
We should just all agree to disagree about Megadeth/Metallica :)But don't we want this to become like a Youtube comments section ???
Indeed. BUT - I admire them for it AND the way some Metallica fans have reacted - it's as if it was the bona fide follow up to Death Magnetic and Lou Reed was the new permanent vocalist for the band.Yeah, my post was more so aimed towards BanksD, but I agree with you whole heartedly.
I'd be happy with Load 3.Pretty much this. I don't really care what kind of music they're gonna make, as long as it's good and sounding energetic.
As long as the songs were good and the production was nice.
The one thing that St Anger has that Death Magnetic does not is energy and enthusiasm in the playing.
Death Magnetic sounds really tired by comparison and has no life to it - all the compression does not help.
St. Anger - even though it sounds weird and raw as fuck - it has ENERGY in the playing. Lars is on fire on that album and his playing on the
Rehearsals DVD is even better.
It just occurred to me that Dream Theater have released 3 fuckin albums since Death Magnetic, Lazitallica.
Harvester & Nightmare not on the soundtrack :/
Hetfield stopped singing "How I'm fucking you" at the end of the second verse of MoP, for the same reason they don't play So What anymore heh
It just occurred to me that Dream Theater have released 3 fuckin albums since Death Magnetic, Lazitallica.
It just occurred to me that Dream Theater have released 3 fuckin albums since Death Magnetic, Lazitallica.
And all of them (even BC&SL) are far better than DM.
And I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes 4 in 2015.
Does it really matter who releases more albums??
More DT vs Metallica productivity discussion :
I highly doubt that Metallica will ever reach 12 studio albums.
They'll barely reach 10 at this rate.
The only way they could do it is if they record three albums now and release one a year.
LULU IS NOT A METALLICA ALBUM, JEEZUS.
I HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING SUBTLE JOKES, ABRAHAM AND ISSACLULU IS NOT A METALLICA ALBUM, JEEZUS.
JOKES ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE LIBERTIES WITH REALITY, MERY AND JOZEPH.
I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS PROBABLY WHY YOU DIDN'T THINK TO MISSPELL THE BIBLICAL NAME ABRAHAM, JAKOB AND MOZES.I HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING SUBTLE JOKES, ABRAHAM AND ISSACLULU IS NOT A METALLICA ALBUM, JEEZUS.
JOKES ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE LIBERTIES WITH REALITY, MERY AND JOZEPH.
Difference is that a break would be good for DT...
Difference is that a break would be good for DT...
Not really. ADTOE was great, and DT12 is fantastic. In my opinion.
I hope they do deliver an album in 2014 but it will most likely be mid 2015.
They just need to write songs and pick the best. Forget about being old school. Just jam and see what comes out.
I hope they do deliver an album in 2014 but it will most likely be mid 2015.
They just need to write songs and pick the best. Forget about being old school. Just jam and see what comes out.
I hope they do deliver an album in 2014 but it will most likely be mid 2015.
They just need to write songs and pick the best. Forget about being old school. Just jam and see what comes out.
Maybe we'll get some Lulu leftovers, like ReLoad was to Load.
I hope they do deliver an album in 2014 but it will most likely be mid 2015.
They just need to write songs and pick the best. Forget about being old school. Just jam and see what comes out.
Maybe we'll get some Lulu leftovers, like ReLoad was to Load.
The Call of 2Lu
Lulu Up Your Ass
Sad But TableThis cracked me up. :lol
Difference is that a break would be good for DT...
Not really. ADTOE was great, and DT12 is fantastic. In my opinion.
I see what you did there.Difference is that a break would be good for DT...
Not really. ADTOE was great, and DT12 is fantastic. In my opinion.
Ah, you DTFers just don't get the bigger picture :-\
Yeah, with the "break" thing, i was actually talking about "more time to write music" (more ideas, more cohesiveness, less filler, etc...), not a real hiatus.We know, and we disagree.
I must be in the wrong thread, because I thought this was the Metallica thread. :dunno:
Yeah, with the "break" thing, i was actually talking about "more time to write music" (more ideas, more cohesiveness, less filler, etc...), not a real hiatus.We know, and we disagree.
Yeah, with the "break" thing, i was actually talking about "more time to write music" (more ideas, more cohesiveness, less filler, etc...), not a real hiatus.We know, and we disagree.
Though you was one person :biggrin:
LOL, i saw the trailer Blob, WTF was that?
Is anyone going to see this Through The Never thing? It looks kind of stupid to me.
Is anyone going to see this Through The Never thing? It looks kind of stupid to me.
I think it looks interesting. A concert movie interspersed with dialogue free narrative elements.
I've seen the production they put into the concert part of the movie and I want to see it just for that! Also, listened to the soundtrack of it and apparently they do a bit like Cunning Stunts where the show breaks down and they have to stop mid-song because of "technical issues".
Plus the stage is full of LED monitors and the coffins too. I think I read they spend like $15 million making that show happen!I've seen the production they put into the concert part of the movie and I want to see it just for that! Also, listened to the soundtrack of it and apparently they do a bit like Cunning Stunts where the show breaks down and they have to stop mid-song because of "technical issues".
They chuck in every stage prop they've used over the years.
The Crosses. Lady Justice. An Electric Chair - made from 6 tesla Coils. The collapsing set etc.
I downloaded the soundtrack... was it like recorded in a semi live controlled setting or is it just like rerecordings with audience noise? Can't tell.
I downloaded the soundtrack... was it like recorded in a semi live controlled setting or is it just like rerecordings with audience noise? Can't tell.
I'll probably wind up seeing it. Seems like it would make a good BroNight / ManDate movie.
Watching with Mr. Hammett on Friday :D
It's a hybrid of both, the events that happen to the kid supposedly correspond with the songs Metallica are playing in the concert.
It's a hybrid of both, the events that happen to the kid supposedly correspond with the songs Metallica are playing in the concert.
So....nothing from Lulu then.
:angel:
It's a hybrid of both, the events that happen to the kid supposedly correspond with the songs Metallica are playing in the concert.
So....nothing from Lulu then.
:angel:
Yeah, kid gonna escape from the movie if they play that album :biggrin:
Actually, would be funny to imagine what would happen during the "I am the table" sequence :lol
I like The Memory Remains, come at me bro
There is nothing on Death Magnetic in the same league as Outlaw Torn or Bleeding Me.
Yeah the songs on DM are really solid, it's just very poor production wise, but I only listen to the GH3 rip which sounds so much better, even if the mix is flawed in places.Yep, all of that.
DM is pretty consistent in terms of good vs bad songs, but it needed a lot of work for most of those songs to be good from start to finish.
The problem is that the songs are mostly very artificially inflated in a contrived attempt to emulate the structures of MoP/AJFA, and in the process it highlights that Kirk and Lars simply cannot play that style of music anymore. Those instrumental sections feel like they're a hair away from falling apart entirely, and it's pretty embarrassing they couldn't do better in a studio environment.
Kirk doesn't manage a single passable solo on the album. He's out of time, and can't play that style of music. He sounds like a 15 year old bedroom shredder trying to play his old solos.
Had they trimmed the songs down, and perhaps written a couple of stronger songs to replace the duds, they could have had a great album, but still no competition for the first 5 albums. If they give up trying to recapture the past on the next album, I think they still have a great album left in them.
Load and Reload are wildly inconsistent albums, ranging from some of their best songs to absolute filler crap, but I would still take either album over DM any day.
They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.Wasn't St. Anger Rob's first album?
Bob Rock played bass for that album.They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.Wasn't St. Anger Rob's first album?
Bob Rock played bass for that album.They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.Wasn't St. Anger Rob's first album?
To be honest - if the next album is 10 ballads instead of 10 thrash songs - they'll still make millions from touring the hits anyway.They're in that kind of place, where it really doesn't matter what kind of album they put out they'll still sell out most, if not all, of their shows.
Whenever "oh the Loads were great" comes up, I'm gonna be to rebut. :lolBecause - like it's like - fact or something - it was on mythbusters that one time.
FOR FUCKS SAKE - LOAD IS NOT " TOTAL SHIT ".No, none of that is total shit.
Justin Bieber - One Direction. The White Stripes. Lady Fucking Gaga. That's TOTAL SHIT.
Death magnetic > Load, Reload and St. Anger combined
I dislike Attitude. Devil's Dance, Fixxxer, WTWTA and CDB are all awesome though. I love Low Man's Lyric too.
I just don't see how The Memory Remains has somehow hung on as a live "staple."
Death Magnetic smokes Load. Even with the production issues-and really, lets face it, it wasn't like Metallica's thrash era albums sounded much better anyway-it takes Load out behind the woodshed and makes it it's bitch. I'm never going to get the "hindsight is wonderful" thing about the Loads. They're dreck. Total shit. Even with Kirk's playing being pretty sloppy on DM-I'll gladly admit there's no saving Lars now, but Kirk's kind of always been a lead player who played pretty awful solos for the songs they're in and buried things in too much wah wah-the songs are light years better than anything on the Loads. Light years.
Yes, DM has a certain sense of contrivance. "Here's the uptempo opener, here's the long, medium paced song, here's the ballad with the really fast coda, here's the long instrumental, and don't forget the fastest song on the album as a closer." But you know what? I'd rather have Metallica be contrived and make heavy metal than be contrived and make really bad generic hard rock and try to get the attention of the alternative crowd. Which was all the Loads were, really.
Whenever "oh the Loads were great" comes up, I'm gonna be to rebut. :lol
I recently listened through Metallica's discography again, and I think Load might actually be my favorite Metallica album. Maybe.
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga. :lolYou say that like it's a bad thing :heart
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga. :lol
I recently listened through Metallica's discography again, and I think Load might actually be my favorite Metallica album. Maybe.
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song. Certainly in the top 5.:lol yup that would be taking it a step further...
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga. :lol
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song. Certainly in the top 5.
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song. Certainly in the top 5.It's a great song, nothing to be embarassed about there!
I feel like - when people talk about Kill - Justice that Metallica and Load should be included too.
People just automatically dismiss Load & Reload as being in the same ballpark as St. Anger.
Like - " Of Course Load & Reload are shit ".
It's like everyone just says every odd-numbered Trek film is shit - when that includes TMP, Generations and 2009 - which are all fine films and that doesn't include Nemesis - which is universally seen as the worst one.
And it bugs me when people say something to the effect that DM is their best album since AJFA. Um no. The Black Album kicks the shit out of it. The Black Album is a very well crafted accessible metal album, that is much more complex and layered than a lot of people give it credit for. DM is poorly done recycled thrash.
I like The Memory Remains, come at me broTo add to this, not only do I really like it, the video is by far my favorite Metallica video.
Slow Start : https://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=metallica2013.htmNot really. That total is only up to Wednesday, and it didn't hit wide release until Friday. From the information given there, including the daily numbers, it looks like it actually had a pretty good per-screen average.
Lars has improved in terms of stamina/speed I think, but he still has no sense of timing. He needs to practice with a metronome and re-learn his own music on a technical level. He botches every fill, and every pause just ends up equally short because he doesn't count it out, and the tempos are always just as fast as he can manage, because faster is apparently more thrash or something.
When I saw them live a year or two ago, it felt like the band had just learned to work around his problems and play in time with him regardless of how out of time he was.
:omg: Oh God - i want this rumour to be true !!!!
Word is going around that Kevin Shirley will produce the next album !
•Lars said that the most recent iron Maiden album is a big clue to what their big announcement will be tomorrow.
•Kevin is "moving to California for a while"
•Kevinproducedmixed their recent Deep Purple cover - so they might have liked his work .
Plus FII & Joe Bonamassa albums all sound great.
If Kevin could bring that Ballad Of John Henry sound to Metallica - all's good.
Listen to the JB song " The Ballad Of John Henry ".
or even " Black Lung Heartache "
METALLICA's Lars Ulrich has acknowledged in a new interview with U.K.'s Kerrang! magazine that the band's next studio album is unlikely to arrive before 2015 at the earliest. The drummer explained: "Obviously, there are a lot of people asking where the next record is. We're going to make another record, but like I said before, we don't really feel this kind of… what's the word? I guess 'responsibility' is probably the right word. We don't feel this inherent responsibility to just churn out records whenever people want them. [Adopts a sarcastic voice] 'I'm sorry! Let me slap myself on the wrists and go make a record for you!' We'll get 'round to it again."
Metallica "churning out records"??? What a joke. They can't stop touring long enough to make an album, where DT makes an album every 2 years and we never hear of them being broke.
Rob might play with his fingers but jason had fucking loads more attitude and could do back up vocals.
Mangini is technically better than Portnoy in every way. ( as far as actual ability & technique goes ).
And J Dude, I thought F&J lost more when Troy Gregory left them than when Jason left. Their album this year was very disappointing considering Gilbert, Carlson, and Kelly Smith were all back.
Bart, I thought about your post and I hear what you're saying, but I don't really look at it that way. Jason was cool and all, but Trujillo has enough old school cred, and I think has has a better chance of keeping them honest. The problem that is plaguing the Trujillo era is the lack of material. He's been in the band for ten years and they've made one album with him. I'm actually taking it over at least two of the four Jason albums.Respectfully disagree. The lack of new material doesn't explain why their old songs no longer have any balls when they play them now. Part of that is that they're old and they're complacent; not Trujillo's fault. At the same time, I have to wonder if they'd be old and complacent with Newsted still in the band. I saw Newsted essentially front that band during a Summer Sanitarium show, and it was intense as all fuck. Four years later I saw them with Trujillo and it was pretty subdued and lacked liveliness. Quite frankly they seem bored when they play now; just going through the motions.
Well you mentioned vocals for Newstead, which is an area that they are lacking now without MP.Which led to a switch to a click-track to accommodate sequenced vocals. While I seem to be the only one that cares about that, it is nevertheless a significant change in how they approach the live aspect of their band.
more like gimme fuel FOR my fire
more like gimme fuel FOR my fire(https://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/q/image/1354/80/1354804465860.jpg)
https://www.kerrangradio.co.uk/music/news/metallica-to-play-antarctica-this-december/
Metallica to play in Antarctica?
So I was watching this ungodly motherfucker of a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaxKNaEAns) the other night, and something occurred to me. Newsted is the original Portnoy. They both quit. They were both replaced by somebody vastly superior in terms of talent. Both bands took a devastating hit in their live show because of the intangibles that both brought. I really haven't been able to look at either band in the same light with the new guys. No point in having a Portnoy/Mangini discussion; that things been beaten to death elsewhere. Anybody here really think Metallica is the same band with Trujillo, though? The guy's 10x the bass player Newsted was, but that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's not Metallica anymore, AFAIC.
So I was watching this ungodly motherfucker of a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaxKNaEAns) the other night, and something occurred to me. Newsted is the original Portnoy. They both quit. They were both replaced by somebody vastly superior in terms of talent. Both bands took a devastating hit in their live show because of the intangibles that both brought. I really haven't been able to look at either band in the same light with the new guys. No point in having a Portnoy/Mangini discussion; that things been beaten to death elsewhere. Anybody here really think Metallica is the same band with Trujillo, though? The guy's 10x the bass player Newsted was, but that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's not Metallica anymore, AFAIC.
That 1989 Seattle show is the best concert DVD hands down. Metallica was at the top of their game.
So I was watching this ungodly motherfucker of a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaxKNaEAns) the other night, and something occurred to me. Newsted is the original Portnoy. They both quit. They were both replaced by somebody vastly superior in terms of talent. Both bands took a devastating hit in their live show because of the intangibles that both brought. I really haven't been able to look at either band in the same light with the new guys. No point in having a Portnoy/Mangini discussion; that things been beaten to death elsewhere. Anybody here really think Metallica is the same band with Trujillo, though? The guy's 10x the bass player Newsted was, but that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's not Metallica anymore, AFAIC.
That 1989 Seattle show is the best concert DVD hands down. Metallica was at the top of their game.
Interesting! Had no idea the Seattle show was over two nights...So I was watching this ungodly motherfucker of a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaxKNaEAns) the other night, and something occurred to me. Newsted is the original Portnoy. They both quit. They were both replaced by somebody vastly superior in terms of talent. Both bands took a devastating hit in their live show because of the intangibles that both brought. I really haven't been able to look at either band in the same light with the new guys. No point in having a Portnoy/Mangini discussion; that things been beaten to death elsewhere. Anybody here really think Metallica is the same band with Trujillo, though? The guy's 10x the bass player Newsted was, but that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's not Metallica anymore, AFAIC.
That 1989 Seattle show is the best concert DVD hands down. Metallica was at the top of their game.
I went to both nights....those shows were amazing. (it was filmed over two back to back nights)
So Het went jamming with some kids. And sang Enter Sandman. In the E tuning. Holy shit, did he just travel to 1994? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSsK5OZvWw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSsK5OZvWw)
Holy shit, after hearing that I've just realised how much better the guitar sounds in E tuning. Wow. And his vocals sound great! Why don't they just play everything in the tuning that it was recorded in?
It's because Lars can't keep up.
I'd be surprised if they don't play Trapped Under Ice.
Compare that to 1991 - 1999 - where they put out The Black Album and from 96 - 99 put out four albums in four years.
Yeah, Metallica is a sinking ship now..:tup
So, the point I'm trying to establish is that the "four albums in four years" angle is, at best, one bloated album, other bands' songs, and a live album with one good new song (once again, an excellent performance though.)
Yeah, Metallica is a sinking ship now..
So, the point I'm trying to establish is that the "four albums in four years" angle is, at best, one bloated album, other bands' songs, and a live album with one good new song (once again, an excellent performance though.)
It's still a better run than anything they've put out since.
If I had to choose between erasing from existence Load, Reload, S&M and Garage
or
St Anger, Death Magnetic, Lulu & Thru The Never
- I know which i'd choose.
Yeah, Metallica is a sinking ship now..
It's hilarious that you think arguably the biggest rock band on the planet is a sinking ship.
They may not be a sinking ship *financially*....but I think BJ was referring to Metallica on a CREATIVE level.
And on that point...I wholeheartedly agree.
Alrighty y'all, what's everyone's Load/Reload top 5? Ties within the top 5 are fine but just keep the list to exactly 5 songs. If you have some ties that would make the list longer than 5, just put those other songs in a brief paragraph below the list.
1. Where the Wild Things Are
2. Carpe Diem, Baby
3. Bleeding Me
4. FiXXXer
5. Prince Charming
1. Outlaw Torn
2. Bleeding Me
(appreciation of the above songs were reinforced by the amazing S&M versions of both)
3. The House That Jack Built
4. Where the Wild Things Are
5. Carpe Diem Baby
Alrighty y'all, what's everyone's Load/Reload top 5? Ties within the top 5 are fine but just keep the list to exactly 5 songs. If you have some ties that would make the list longer than 5, just put those other songs in a brief paragraph below the list.
1. Where the Wild Things Are
2. Carpe Diem, Baby
3. Bleeding Me
4. FiXXXer
5. Prince Charming
I played Reload to death in 1997 - whilst playing Tomb Raider on ps1 and it just seemed to work.:metal Funny I almost did the same thing but instead of Reload (which I did listen to at the time) I played Accident Of Birth by Bruce Dickinson while playing Tomb Raider 2. :lol
I played Reload to death in 1997 - whilst playing Tomb Raider on ps1 and it just seemed to work.:metal Funny I almost did the same thing but instead of Reload (which I did listen to at the time) I played Accident Of Birth by Bruce Dickinson while playing Tomb Raider 2. :lol
I'll never understand all the fuss about Load. Maybe Re-Load, but that one isn't so bad either.
All in all, I thought it was a nice diversification of the Metallica sound. It definitely still sounded like Metallica, albeit with slower, groovier and bluesier grooves and more melodic songwriting. There's something to be said for the quality of the vocals as well, which IMO are probably the best they've ever had.
To Live is to Die: Intro, 4:29-6:19 (in fact, the part from 4:57 of this section onward is considered to be the pinnacle of all of Metallica's melodic work by a sizable chunk of their fan base)
James is miles better than Kirk at creating solos.
Kirk may know all the technical shit - but James is just better.
Every solo on Death Magnetic played by James is a stand out.
Kirk literally does the exact same thing in every solo and James plays from the gut and plays the perfect thing for the song.
James is miles better than Kirk at creating solos.
Kirk may know all the technical shit - but James is just better.
Every solo on Death Magnetic played by James is a stand out.
Kirk literally does the exact same thing in every solo and James plays from the gut and plays the perfect thing for the song.
I haven't been big into metallica for some time but I was "back in the day" and even when listening to their best album IMHO (Master of Puppets) I always felt I liked Metallica despite Kirk rather than because of him. I find him one of the least inspiring guitarsits of that era. I think he probably had one lesson in open chords and what a wah pedal is from Joe Satriani :)
As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.
As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.
LOL no way. The thrash era albums are great, with the riffs, and the melodic guitar sections by Hetfield, but 90% of it is just Hetfield grunting the same note over a thrashed E. The vocal sections have very little variation.
On Reload and Load especially, he actually SINGS, and there are a lot of good harmonies, and melodic riffs, instead of just thrashing E as fast as possible. The Black albums also leaves the first 4 albums for dead in that regard.
I'm not saying that makes Load/Reload better, because I still think they're overall weakly written albums, but there's no way they're not more melodic then the repetitive formula of the first 4 albums.
As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.
LOL no way. The thrash era albums are great, with the riffs, and the melodic guitar sections by Hetfield, but 90% of it is just Hetfield grunting the same note over a thrashed E. The vocal sections have very little variation.
On Reload and Load especially, he actually SINGS, and there are a lot of good harmonies, and melodic riffs, instead of just thrashing E as fast as possible. The Black albums also leaves the first 4 albums for dead in that regard.
I'm not saying that makes Load/Reload better, because I still think they're overall weakly written albums, but there's no way they're not more melodic then the repetitive formula of the first 4 albums.
As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.
LOL no way. The thrash era albums are great, with the riffs, and the melodic guitar sections by Hetfield, but 90% of it is just Hetfield grunting the same note over a thrashed E. The vocal sections have very little variation.
On Reload and Load especially, he actually SINGS, and there are a lot of good harmonies, and melodic riffs, instead of just thrashing E as fast as possible. The Black albums also leaves the first 4 albums for dead in that regard.
I'm not saying that makes Load/Reload better, because I still think they're overall weakly written albums, but there's no way they're not more melodic then the repetitive formula of the first 4 albums.
So an abundance of half-hearted, rednecky vocal melodies/harmonies over Eb m pentatonic fills makes something more melodic than what I cited above? Also, it's amusing how you completely ignored my laundry list of why the golden three win. Bottom line? Quantity is not automatically better than quantity.
Also, it's amusing how you completely ignored my laundry list of why the golden three win.
www.metallica.com
Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.
This is your chance to vote for Frayed Ends of Sanity.
If that was me, I'd rather vote for a song I'd actually want to hear.
Eight fucking years. That's a new record (pun intended).
www.metallica.com
Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.
Also, it's amusing how you completely ignored my laundry list of why the golden three win.
Personally, I think it's amusing how you think having a laundry list means you're right.
I didn't qualify it with the needless "imo" that everyone should know isn't necessary when you're stating something that is obviously subjective in the first place.
Also, it's amusing how you completely ignored my laundry list of why the golden three win.
Personally, I think it's amusing how you think having a laundry list means you're right.
I never said that so I have no idea where you're coming from with that unless you're just jumping the gun because I didn't qualify it with the needless "imo" that everyone should know isn't necessary when you're stating something that is obviously subjective in the first place.
Alrighty y'all, what's everyone's Load/Reload top 5? Ties within the top 5 are fine but just keep the list to exactly 5 songs. If you have some ties that would make the list longer than 5, just put those other songs in a brief paragraph below the list.
The thing about voting on setlists is that you never actually see the votes, and you can just assume that they'll be greatest hits. If they do play Sandman and S&D for the 1 billionth time, could you really say "there's no way those songs won!"? My guess is that you get a rudimentary greatest hits set leaning more towards the early years. You'll still get Fuel and probably Cyanide, as well.www.metallica.com
Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.
Oh yeah, Astronomy baby!
Aww shucks. Only ticket holders can vote, and I'm not bothering to go to Helsinki just for Metallica.
Oh, no, that's not what I was going for at all. Sorry for being unclear. It's just that listing the melodic sections from those albums doesn't really mean anything, because nobody said that those albums didn't have melodic sections. If someone did say that, your list would be an effective response, but, again, nobody said that. Nobody's denying that RtL, MoP, and AJFA have some great melodic sections. What they did say was that Load and Reload are more melodic, which your list does nothing to address.
And personally, I do agree. While the thrash albums definitely do have some outstanding melodic sections, Load and Reload tend to be more melodic overall.
The thing about voting on setlists is that you never actually see the votes, and you can just assume that they'll be greatest hits. If they do play Sandman and S&D for the 1 billionth time, could you really say "there's no way those songs won!"? My guess is that you get a rudimentary greatest hits set leaning more towards the early years. You'll still get Fuel and probably Cyanide, as well.www.metallica.com
Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.
Oh yeah, Astronomy baby!
Aww shucks. Only ticket holders can vote, and I'm not bothering to go to Helsinki just for Metallica.
Essentially, it seems to me like I may be arguing the melodic value of the golden three while y'all are arguing the melodic quantity of the Loads. Is this so?
I liked what Anthrax did for The Greater Of Two a Evils. IIR, they kept the results up to date. They ended up sticking some songs on there that didn't rate, but it was pretty consistent with the voting I think.The thing about voting on setlists is that you never actually see the votes, and you can just assume that they'll be greatest hits. If they do play Sandman and S&D for the 1 billionth time, could you really say "there's no way those songs won!"? My guess is that you get a rudimentary greatest hits set leaning more towards the early years. You'll still get Fuel and probably Cyanide, as well.www.metallica.com
Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.
Oh yeah, Astronomy baby!
Aww shucks. Only ticket holders can vote, and I'm not bothering to go to Helsinki just for Metallica.
I would've picked something like Disposable Heroes - deep cuts off the classics.
I never got the hype for Sad But True.
I would've picked something like Disposable Heroes - deep cuts off the classics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsBPln1a2dk
This is an awesome version of that song. :metal Enjoy !
Here's a random set I'd like;
Blackened
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Master of Puppets
Whiplash
Thorn Within
The Struggle Within
Invisible Kid (yeah, that's right)
The Thing That Should Not Be
The Shortest Straw
Ain't My Bitch
Astronomy
Creeping Death
Sanitarium
Unforgiven II
Bleeding Me
The Call of Ktulu
Damage Inc.
Fight Fire With Fire
One
Fade to Black
Battery
https://www.metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=61Disgusting. Not enough rarities in there. I'd actually want a song or two from St. Anger in there.
Very predictable. Frayed Ends WAS #10 but now it's slipping down rapidly and surprise surprise - Sad and Sandman are both there.
sigh...
Take Frayed Ends out of that poll and you have a very ordinary Metallica setlist. Well done everyone. :slowclap:
You have the opportunity to hear ANY Metallica song you want and you vote for the ones they play most frequently.
Indeed. I love it on the album but it just lacks a punch live.I never got the hype for Sad But True.
It's good on the album but it's never good live.
Here's a random set I'd like;
Blackened
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Master of Puppets
Whiplash
Thorn Within
The Struggle Within
Invisible Kid (yeah, that's right)
The Thing That Should Not Be
The Shortest Straw
Ain't My Bitch
Astronomy
Creeping Death
Sanitarium
Unforgiven II
Bleeding Me
The Call of Ktulu
Damage Inc.
Fight Fire With Fire
One
Fade to Black
Battery
https://www.metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=61Well yeah, that's the whole problem with this "by request" thing. You just get a generic setlist of all the popular stuff that they play all the time anyway.
Very predictable. Frayed Ends WAS #10 but now it's slipping down rapidly and surprise surprise - Sad and Sandman are both there.
sigh...
Take Frayed Ends out of that poll and you have a very ordinary Metallica setlist. Well done everyone. :slowclap:
You have the opportunity to hear ANY Metallica song you want and you vote for the ones they play most frequently.
I would've picked something like Disposable Heroes - deep cuts off the classics.Brilliant choice.
lol Antarctica? Wow.
No
Jump In the Fire Tour.
I'm still happy with 'Load' but I've stopped listening to it. It came to a point after recording it that I just couldn't stop listening to it because it was so powerful, but after a year or so of it was like "Well, that's enough!". I wish that I could play more songs of it, like "Bleeding Me". We like that song, we like to play it and it's pretty intense but back when we did the fan reaction was kind of "Bluuuuuh" so we stopped playing it. People could start asking us "Why don't you play 'Bleeding Me' anymore?" and we could answer it's their fault".
https://www.metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=61
Very predictable. Frayed Ends WAS #10 but now it's slipping down rapidly and surprise surprise - Sad and Sandman are both there.
sigh...
Take Frayed Ends out of that poll and you have a very ordinary Metallica setlist. Well done everyone. :slowclap:
You have the opportunity to hear ANY Metallica song you want and you vote for the ones they play most frequently.
Wouldn't the intro chants be killer live?They are. They play the intro in most of their shows to get the people sing along. Then they play something else, usually the cover song of the concert.
Wouldn't the intro chants be killer live?They are. They play the intro in most of their shows to get the people sing along. Then they play something else, usually the cover song of the concert.
Check the other polls. The Buenos Aires one will probably also turn into a greatest hit show like others, given time. It's just ridiculous.
Check the other polls. The Buenos Aires one will probably also turn into a greatest hit show like others, given time. It's just ridiculous.
I know I'm the odd one out here, but I'm afraid I honestly don't see what's so ridiculous about it. Having seen a number of the live hits myself, I felt they were excellent choices for the live atmosphere, and I don't blame people for wanting to hear them.
Here's the way I think about it: if you're going to your first Metallica concert and you desperately want to hear the hits, should you vote for more obscure choices just to be cool, or should you vote for what you actually want to hear?
If I'm going to see ANY band live, whether it's for the first time or the tenth time, I want to hear a mix of songs from across their catalogue. That Knebworth list only includes one song post-Black Album, which is a cover song. That's incredibly narrow and boring.Check the other polls. The Buenos Aires one will probably also turn into a greatest hit show like others, given time. It's just ridiculous.
I know I'm the odd one out here, but I'm afraid I honestly don't see what's so ridiculous about it. Having seen a number of the live hits myself, I felt they were excellent choices for the live atmosphere, and I don't blame people for wanting to hear them.
Here's the way I think about it: if you're going to your first Metallica concert and you desperately want to hear the hits, should you vote for more obscure choices just to be cool, or should you vote for what you actually want to hear?
He's probably the only one of the Big Four who could ever actually sing.
I don't get what people like about Dirty Window. I think it's one of the weakest songs on St. Anger.
Well, just to clarify, I'm not trying to say that you guys are wrong for wanting to hear more variety. I just think it's kind of natural that the results of a poll like this are going to lean toward the already established live favorites.Oh definitely, that's why I don't think it's a very good idea.
St. Manure
Dirty Window was one of the only standouts on SA for me.
AND NOW I SLAM MY GAVEL DOWN is a pretty awesome line, dat delivery. I'm glad they learnt what the actual name for a 'judgement hammer' was. Took them 20 odd years but hey.
To tell you the truth, I think Frantic and the title track are among the weakest from SA.
Dirty Window
Some Kind of Monster
Sweet Amber
It's My World
Shoot Me Again
Those are just off the top of my head. I'd be happy to hear any one of these songs in regular rotation.
To tell you the truth, I think Frantic and the title track are among the weakest from SA.
Dirty Window
Some Kind of Monster
Sweet Amber
It's My World
Shoot Me Again
Those are just off the top of my head. I'd be happy to hear any one of these songs in regular rotation.
The day St. Anger came out, my local radio station played Shoot Me Again, and after it, the DJ came on and did something I had never heard a DJ do before or since. He said more or less, look, this album is awful, but we have to play it. Somehow he kept his job. :rollin
I also found this James' quote about Load:QuoteI'm still happy with 'Load' but I've stopped listening to it. It came to a point after recording it that I just couldn't stop listening to it because it was so powerful, but after a year or so of it was like "Well, that's enough!". I wish that I could play more songs of it, like "Bleeding Me". We like that song, we like to play it and it's pretty intense but back when we did the fan reaction was kind of "Bluuuuuh" so we stopped playing it. People could start asking us "Why don't you play 'Bleeding Me' anymore?" and we could answer it's their fault".
What do you think?
Any setlist you guys would like to see if you were to go and see them live on one of these Pick-A-Setlist shows?
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I'm a big fan of St. Anger. I really like it. Don't get why so many people hate it. Maybe it's mostly big metalheads who dislike it, big fans of thrash and early Metallica. It's heavy and raw and full of anger, and anger fueled energy; but not the type of energy and speed metalheads want.
I think it's one of their best albums. And the lack of guitar solo's really works to it's advantage. The guitar work is great. Pure riffage. Any guitar solo's would have felt out of place. I hear so many songs by so many bands that have solo's that just don't fit or even ruin the song (DT I'm looking at you).
I'm curious, does Metallica play many St. Anger songs live?
The songs themselves (IMO) are fantastic. Far better than the three albums before it.
I'm a big fan of St. Anger. I really like it. Don't get why so many people hate it. Maybe it's mostly big metalheads who dislike it, big fans of thrash and early Metallica.
Okay here's why I didn't like St. Anger.
Lousy production values, awful songs that were two minutes of ideas stretched out to eight minutes, clearly striving to keep up with the nu-metal kids, artificial aggression, godawful lyrics-did I mention that the most successful heavy metal band of all time deliberately made it sound worse than a two track demo from 1981?
St. Anger is the sound of a band having a mid-life crisis and putting it onto CD.
Basically, if an unknown band released St. Anger, no one would have cared about it?
The songs [on St. Anger] (IMO) are fantastic. Far better than the three albums before it.
I enjoy St Anger but there's no way that it's a better album than "Metallica".
Then they do Death Magnetic, which is exactly what so many who have been shitting on them have been wanting to hear, and they shit on it.
To me, St. Anger is not shit. Listening to it i can really see and feel and hear so much emotion that was put into and comes out of these songs. Mostly Hetfield's.
The fact is - Metallica have not released an album of original material with great production married with great songs since Load in 1996.
St. Anger was very unique. Everything about it. Wish i could say it'll be seen as a classic in years to come, but i don't think so. I'm always so disappointed to hear and read negative comments about it, especially by musicians i like. It's a very misunderstood album.
But it's great to see that Metallica is still #1. They truly are the biggest metal band, dead or alive. I wonder who will be the first band to take their place.
I'm surprised i don't hear more load (semen) jokes. In fact, i don't remember ever hearing any. Also surprising considering how the album cover was created (read wikipedia entry).
But it's great to see that Metallica is still #1. They truly are the biggest metal band, dead or alive. I wonder who will be the first band to take their place.
Well, music > popularity so, i couldn't care less.
I'd much rather have an album of " Outlaw Torn " and " Mama Said " than fake aggression like on " All Within My Hands " ...
I'd much rather have an album of " Outlaw Torn " and " Mama Said " than fake aggression like on " All Within My Hands " ...
How is the aggression "fake" and how are you able to tell it's fake?
I'm a big fan of St. Anger. I really like it. Don't get why so many people hate it. Maybe it's mostly big metalheads who dislike it, big fans of thrash and early Metallica. It's heavy and raw and full of anger, and anger fueled energy; but not the type of energy and speed metalheads want.
I think it's one of their best albums. And the lack of guitar solo's really works to it's advantage. The guitar work is great. Pure riffage. Any guitar solo's would have felt out of place. I hear so many songs by so many bands that have solo's that just don't fit or even ruin the song (DT I'm looking at you).
I'm curious, does Metallica play many St. Anger songs live?
I really like the song St. Anger too.
I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds like St. Anger.
Er, no.I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds like St. Anger.
“and failed"
KILL KILL KILLL KILLLLL !!! KILLLL AAIIIIIIIII KILLL !!!!! KILL KILL !!!!!!!!!
:metal DROP C TUNING ! ARE WE BR0000TAL Z YET !!! KILLLLLL
Er, no.I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds like St. Anger.
“and failed"
Don't get me wrong, I don't like St. Anger, but it has nothing to do with nu-metal, and I have absolutely no idea why you would think that was what they were going for.
I think they wanted to go for a garage rock vibe - raw and simple. If that's what they wanted then they got the right sound, so fair play to them, I just don't really enjoy the songs.
I'd much rather have an album of " Outlaw Torn " and " Mama Said " than fake aggression like on " All Within My Hands " ...
How is the aggression "fake" and how are you able to tell it's fake?
KILL KILL KILLL KILLLLL !!! KILLLL AAIIIIIIIII KILLL !!!!! KILL KILL !!!!!!!!!
:metal DROP C TUNING ! ARE WE BR0000TAL Z YET !!! KILLLLLL
Compelling argument.
I'd say so. and I'd also say Kotowboy is my personal favorite at, and objectively winning, this thread.
I seem to recall a lot of Some Kind of Monster blabbing about how happy and calm they all are, and Hetfield directly saying how you don't need to be angry to write angry music.
I seem to recall a lot of Some Kind of Monster blabbing about how happy and calm they all are, and Hetfield directly saying how you don't need to be angry to write angry music.
That was Lars yeah. Which made no sense to me. How can you say that you can make aggressive music without feeling aggression when you've clearly been at each other's throats for the past 2 years ? :lol
You know. All of this talk about St. Anger makes me want to listen to the album again. Maybe, it is not as bad as I thought it was the last time I played in its entirety. Famous last words.
I think the one problem I had with the album is that the album kinda dragged on and made some of their songs a heavy chore to listen to.
The opposite can be said about Death Magnetic since songs like That Was Just Your Life, All Nightmare Long, The Judas Kiss, and The End of the Line, amongst others, despite being 7-8 min. songs, were so very enjoyable that it did not feel like the song length.
James has spoken well of Dehaan.:lol
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.
Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!
It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.
Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!
It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.
You guys have *serious* issues. You're equating a vagina with A COFFIN SHAPED GRAVE.
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.
Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!
It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.
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Like throwin' a hot dog down a hallway...
Exactly. It's F-150core.F-150core needs to be an official subgenre. :lol
Yeah I hate how the drums sounded different.
Drums should always sound the same.
I really don't think that SA und Lulu are disliked due to being so "artsy" (which they honestly aren't) and different, but simply because of the terrible songwriting and lyrics.
So you actually think Lars' drums on St. Anger sound good?
So you actually think Lars' drums on St. Anger sound good?
I enjoy it. And I like that they tried something new.
To say it (or any music) is good or bad is smug. It's art, it's abstract. It's whatever the artist wants it to be.
Otherwise, what's even the point of a music forum?
The main problem with DM and SA besides the audio quality is that this band is capable of far, far better.
They went from Load which had fantastic production and a handful of great songs, some under-rated songs and a couple of fillers to Saint Anger which had awful production and mostly poor songs with a couple of gems in about 7 years.
The last album that the majority can agree is "classic" was Metallica in 1991.
If the 10th album is released in 2016 - which is the most likely scenario - that will be 25 years ago.
The last album that the majority can agree is "classic" was Metallica in 1991.I don't even count that one. AJFA was their last "classic" for me, although up until St.Anger there were a bunch of pretty good songs mixed in with the bad ones. But the first 4 albums are on another level for me.
The last album that the majority can agree is "classic" was Metallica in 1991.
Hardcore longtime Metallica fans don't view the Black Album as a classic, they view it as the one that broke them to the mainstream. I agree with Tom that the first four albums are a whole different level.
The songwriting on The Black Album was better than the first four albums on multiple levels, and I love the first four albums. Mainstream and classic aren't mutually exclusive.
Hardcore longtime Metallica fans don't view the Black Album as a classic, they view it as the one that broke them to the mainstream. I agree with Tom that the first four albums are a whole different level.
That's because longtime Metallica fans hate anything that isn't thrashing the E string at 500bpm for 8 minutes straight.
Hardcore longtime Metallica fans don't view the Black Album as a classic, they view it as the one that broke them to the mainstream. I agree with Tom that the first four albums are a whole different level.
That's because longtime Metallica fans hate anything that isn't thrashing the E string at 500bpm for 8 minutes straight.
Agreed, it's not in the same level as the first 4 albums but is a classic anyway.
I've only heard Frantic. I enjoy it, but mostly for lols.
I've only heard Frantic. I enjoy it, but mostly for lols.
I use Frantic as my alarm clock, because if that noise doesn't get you out of bed and hitting the alarm, nothing will. :lol
MY LIFESTYLE
DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE
I've only heard Frantic. I enjoy it, but mostly for lols.
I use Frantic as my alarm clock, because if that noise doesn't get you out of bed and hitting the alarm, nothing will. :lol
Haha..........as a teenager I had a similar thought and used some Nitro as my alarm. Never once late for uni from that point.
I'll stick to waking up with the feeling that a Danish midget is banging a trashcan against my head.
THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE LARS IS DANISH.
The thing that made me lol most about Some Kind of Monster (song) are that the "Yeah!"s that James uses. It may be the most damage ever incorporated.
The thing that made me lol most about Some Kind of Monster (song) are that the "Yeah!"s that James uses. It may be the most laughable ones ever incorporated.Yeah.
So today i finally gave Lulu a good listen. Only the first half so far. I still stand by all i said earlier.
But i must admit that while listening to it alone in my car i laughed multiple times. What made me laugh was some of Lou Reed's lyrics. They are pretty outrageous at times. At other times though i really loved his lyrics. I don't like the monotony of his voice reading them. I don't listen to any other Lou Reed stuff so i don't know if this is his usual style or if he was just doing something different here. I'm sure the guy can carry a tune so i wish at times he had more melody and actually sang. To me, this is the major downfall of Lulu. I love his poetry, i love Hetfield's vocal parts, and the music was great. Very interesting. As i'v heard said before, there are Black Sabbath-like riffs in parts that i really enjoyed. And Lars was good as he usually is IMO.
But yea, it's fuckin weird. And I love it. There is no other band like Metallica and i don't think there ever will be. They're #1 and do something like Lulu. I can't see another band having this happen to them.
I know some fans won't include Metallica with the first four albums but I don't see Kill Em All as all that great.
It's a reasonable debut as best - not great sound quality and has one or two songs on it that wound up as classics.
They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.
I know some fans won't include Metallica with the first four albums but I don't see Kill Em All as all that great.
It's a reasonable debut as best - not great sound quality and has one or two songs on it that wound up as classics.
They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.
Wow, I cannot believe the what I'm hearing about Kill "Em All.:clap: :clap: :clap:
It's pretty raw, but the album is absolute genius and the foundation for everything that came after it. I rank it as one of the most important metal albums of all time.
They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.
The Four Horsemen > > > > > > > The Mechanix.This. :clap:
They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.
What? That part is awesome. Also, they had to ADD it in to the original to stop it being exactly the same as Mechanix, musically :lol
I know some fans won't include Metallica with the first four albums but I don't see Kill Em All as all that great.
It's a reasonable debut as best - not great sound quality and has one or two songs on it that wound up as classics.
They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.
I don't like it as much as TBA, AJFA, or MOP, but it's a much more solid album than RTL imo, and I really like it as an album.
There is some saminess with the filler songs, but they're still enjoyable, and there's not a track I dislike on it (aside from the few minutes of random bass noise in the middle), and I think the production is actually quite good considering (again, better than RTL).
And until recently, I'd never heard of anyone who actually liked that bass noodling. Metallica is probably one of the last metal bands that should inspire anybody to pick up a bass guitar. :lol
....Metallica had a bass player? ???
The guy played bass like lead guitar.
The guy played bass like lead guitar.
That would be John Entwistle :P
Seriously, if you want a great metal bass player, look at Sean Malone or Dan Briggs. Freakin' mindblowing.
Seriously, if you want a great metal bass player, look at Sean Malone or Dan Briggs. Freakin' mindblowing.
Not as mindblowing but awesome as well: the bass players for Tool, Karnivool and Isis. Deep grooves and creative melodic bassplaying. Really tasteful.
There's nothing special about the bass playing on Metallica's early albums, especially compared to other heavy bands of the time like Maiden. The majority of it was just doubling the guitar riffs, with the occasional simple deviation. There were a lot more influential bass players of the time. Playing bass like a guitar does not make good bass playing. It makes a guitar player who got stuck on bass. Anesthesia is a great example of why it doesn't really work.There's a certain song (that may be referenced in my sig) that is one of the greatest bass performances of all time. There's also another instrumental song on Ride the Lightning that would like a word with you. You don't have to deviate from the guitar lines to be a good bass player, or even a great one. Cliff was fantastic, and the 3 instrumentals he was a part of should quite readily shut up any kind of detractors. And this logic of "influence doesn't make him great" is utterly fucking laughable. I guess Jimmy Page and Tony Iommi weren't great either, since Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, and John Petrucci can all play circles around them.
I'm not saying he was bad at all, but I don't understand why he's suddenly considered so amazing, aside from the dead factor.
Influence doesn't make him a great (in terms of technical skill) bass player. Ringo was an influential drummer, but there's no way he could match guys like Portnoy, Harrison, Minnemann, Donati etc.
I'm not saying the guy wasn't good, just the stuff equating his playing to the second coming of Christ seems a bit excessive.Why is Cliff so revered? Call of Ktulu and Orion. Simple as that. Nobody was treating bass ANYTHING like that before Cliff did it with Metallica. And the fact of the matter is, while there were great bass players before Cliff (Steve Harris and Geezer Butler come to mind), the trend at the time was thrash, and none of the big 4 were doing anything nearly as complex with the bass. Hell, nobody OUTSIDE the big 4 was doing it. You have to put yourself in the time frame to really appreciate some things.
Why is Cliff so revered? Call of Ktulu and Orion. Simple as that. Nobody was treating bass ANYTHING like that before Cliff did it with Metallica. And the fact of the matter is, while there were great bass players before Cliff (Steve Harris and Geezer Butler come to mind), the trend at the time was thrash, and none of the big 4 were doing anything nearly as complex with the bass. Hell, nobody OUTSIDE the big 4 was doing it. You have to put yourself in the time frame to really appreciate some things.This. :clap: And I'd add his songwriting talents, too. His credits are all over the first 3 albums.
Oh my god sneakyblueberry when did you get back? :omg:
Oh definitely. The songwriting was certainly a major benefit too. Like someone else said (don't know if it was sneak or someone else), the classical influences dropped straight out of Metallica after Burton died (except for To Live is to Die, which is made mostly of Burton's riffs. Go figure). Part of the reason I hold AJFA so much lower than the other 3 "classic albums" is because of that glaring absence. The creativity of the riffs between something like Damage Inc and Dyer's Eve is absolutely night and day.
And? Thats like saying, 'The Model T is influential, but theres no way it can match a Maserati'.
And? Thats like saying, 'The Model T is influential, but theres no way it can match a Maserati'.
I'm pretty sure I made that exact argument before.
And the notion that being influential doesn't make you great is flat out...FLAT OUT...the dumbest thing anyone's ever said here. That deserves a prize.Holy hyperbole!
Speaking as someone who was there...yeah. You had to be there. You had to SEE Cliff Burton play. You had to put on a Metallica album and hear what he was doing, and then put on a Judas Priest album and try to FIND the bass part, to really get how good he was.
And the notion that being influential doesn't make you great is flat out...FLAT OUT...the dumbest thing anyone's ever said here. That deserves a prize.
Were there better bassists than Cliff Burton at the time? Sure. LOADS. But saying the bass playing in early Metallica is bad and he wasn't influential to a generation of metal bassists can only be said by (1) not being there and (2) really not listening to the first three Metallica albums.
Wow, I cannot believe the what I'm hearing about Kill "Em All.
It's pretty raw, but the album is absolute genius and the foundation for everything that came after it. I rank it as one of the most important metal albums of all time.
Oh well, I guess if you don't like listening to it, so be it. I hate the Beatles! :lol
TBA has some nice songs, but it's when Metallica went from fast, lethal Velociraptor to dull, plodding Diplodicus.
jason > cliff
jason > cliff
jason > cliff
Megadeth's shit albums mortally stomp Metallica and Pantera's shit albums
AFAIK he wrote riffs for Blackened and My Friend of Misery.
Oh yeah I wasn't sure. I don't think I ever bothered with that song lol. 2 outta 3 aint bad.
Mastodon are the current champs. 5 studio albums, an instrumental EP and 1 mini-LP so far and they've yet to mis-step.
I'm confident their new album will be awesome and they'll have put out 6 albums in a row which are all great.
New Mastodon album in 2014 means 7 full length releases in 14 years. Which is pretty good going.
In before Orchid/Morningrise haters.Also in before My Arms, Your Hearse haters (how do these exist?!?!)
jason > cliff
back to jason. that guy was shit on way too much for way too long. fuck hetfield.
Shit, they made a 27-song Load, St. Anger, and Death Magnetic over a 14-year stretch and followed that with 5 years of vaguely worded stall tactics. It ain't surprising that they ain't trying to cook for the whole neighborhood when they can't even finish a meal in their own house.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SIk6YgUwhY&t=47s :p
Interesting to think that neither Lars no Hetfield have done other projects. At least none that i know of. I assume that, since that was one reason for kicking out Newsted.
Instead, if anyone has any idea for other musical ventures that are off the beaten trail, they have to do it together. As Metallica. Therefore Lulu was born.
Interesting to think that neither Lars no Hetfield have done other projects. At least none that i know of. I assume that, since that was one reason for kicking out Newsted.
Instead, if anyone has any idea for other musical ventures that are off the beaten trail, they have to do it together. As Metallica. Therefore Lulu was born.
Just to make sure, I think Newsted quit the band. Though, something like the whole "Lars and/or James does not allow side-projects or something like that" led to him quitting. Either way, I think he was bound on his way out anyway.
Now to show this video, since seeing Lars act like a douchbag pleases me for entertainment reasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj_8E3FOU4s
So I was thinking of watching Through the Never, should I proceed with that thought?
:lol That really didn't convince me at all.So I was thinking of watching Through the Never, should I proceed with that thought?
If you have two hours where you weren't doing anything fun anyway, why not?
So I was thinking of watching Through the Never, should I proceed with that thought?
Yea I pretty much had that figured out. :lolSo I was thinking of watching Through the Never, should I proceed with that thought?
It is actually a pretty fun movie. The storyline makes absolutely no sense at all, but does have some interesting visuals, and the concert portion is your typical Metallica show with a couple extra things (no big deal really, though), so it is a pretty fun watch.
And I'm a HUGE Metallica fan. :hat
When it comes out I will listen to it - but i'm not expecting it to be any good.
When a band says " we've done everything we can think of to NOT do this album - but now we're out of excuses " ( exact quote ) - then you know they're only doing it for the sake of it and the result could only be half-assed at best.Holy out of context Batman!! I think you missed the joke -- it's called sarcasm.
hey kotowboy, dude....come on
I'm so tired of all these people bagging on Metallica. Even on albums that don't even exist yet. There's so many going into their new albums with already very negative ideas, looking for stuff they don't like and can complain about. I see this type so goddamn much. I know there is NO way they will say they enjoy a new Metallica record, even if it has everything they enjoy. Because it's Metallica. There are people that just fucking hate DM, even though it has what they've been saying what they want Metallica to do again.
hey kotowboy, dude....come on
I'm so tired of all these people bagging on Metallica. Even on albums that don't even exist yet. There's so many going into their new albums with already very negative ideas, looking for stuff they don't like and can complain about. I see this type so goddamn much. I know there is NO way they will say they enjoy a new Metallica record, even if it has everything they enjoy. Because it's Metallica. There are people that just fucking hate DM, even though it has what they've been saying what they want Metallica to do again.
there's also a ton of fan-boy's that will blindly like a new metallica album no matter what they release. surely much of the fanbase that liked st anger upon its release fall into such a category.
and just cuz DM 'has what fans have been saying they want metallica to do again' doesnt mean it was well executed. i mean, i wouldnt actually know as i stopped spinning Tallica in '06 and thus havent heard it, but it seems a commom sentiment (and has been [re]referenced in just the most recent pages of this thread).
It may be a straw man argument but I didn't blindly accept SA & DM " because at least dey woz methulz "
And I'm a HUGE Metallica fan. :hat
I used to be but since 2001 it seems everything they've done has been detrimental to how they are perceived.
Death Magnetic and Beyond Magnetic are the two positives in almost 13 years of WTF-ery.
Metallica love doing the unexpected - which is ironic since right now - nobody expects them to do a new album.
When it comes out I will listen to it - but i'm not expecting it to be any good.
Judging from what the band members have said recently, they realize that DM was in the right direction and will be heading further that way with the next album. Funny how the way St Anger and DM were described by press releases before they were released described each with pretty much the same words and phrases.
St. Anger is kickass. I'v been listening to it a lot lately. I'm not gonna start this argument again, I just want to express how much of a shame i feel it is that it's reputation is as a joke. I really hope in the years to come there will be more respect for it. I don't even think the band plays any of the songs live, do they?
Although I do wonder how a live performance of Invisible Kid would be. I'v never watched them play it. I'm gonna go look and see if there's a video.
Most of the criticism of Load/Reload/St. Anger come from people heavily into metal. I mean, from what I'v seen and read and people I'v talked to, mostly online.
The dislike of St. Anger isn't because it's "not metal".
Most of the criticism of Load/Reload/St. Anger come from people heavily into metal. I mean, from what I'v seen and read and people I'v talked to, mostly online.
It's my favourite Metallica album by a fair margin, so I'd agree. But AJFA would be my favourite of the thrash era albums, but unfortunately the shitty production stops me from ever listening to it.
St. Anger is kickass. I'v been listening to it a lot lately. I'm not gonna start this argument again, I just want to express how much of a shame i feel it is that it's reputation is as a joke. I really hope in the years to come there will be more respect for it. I don't even think the band plays any of the songs live, do they?I like St. Anger. It's what I would call a "grower" because I like it more over time than I did initially. And I agree that it's reputation will grow with time. I tend to give it a spin in the CD player more often than "Load" or "Re-Load." It's biggest problem is that Bob Rock didn't do his job by bothering to edit or curtail the band from going overboard with Pro Tools -- songs that are OK on St. Anger at 8 minutes long could've been really popping if trimmed to 5.5 minutes.
Although I do wonder how a live performance of Invisible Kid would be. I'v never watched them play it. I'm gonna go look and see if there's a video.
I'm with kotowboy on this one (how the fuck do we not have an easier, abbreviated nickname for you by now?!)
I'm surprised how Kirk Hammett gets little credit as a guitarist. He's not as popular as Lars or Kirk.:lol
Dave Mustaine is considered a guitar legend, or will be. But none of the Metallica guys have a reputation like that. And they're the more popular band.I guess it depends upon whom you talk to, but I don't know if I'd consider him to be a guitar legend. In his glory days, I'd say Dave was infinitely more innovative and interesting as a guitarist, but I don't think I'd place him up with Jimmy Page, Dave Gilmour, Tony Iommi, Alex Liefson or any other legends that could be named.
I'm surprised how Kirk Hammett gets little credit as a guitarist. He's not as popular as Lars or Kirk.:lol
I'm assuming you meant James, but I'd agree that Kirk of today is not as popular as Kirk of thirty or even twenty years ago. Compared to Lars, I'd disagree that Lars is more popular. Nevermind, forget that. No matter how much crap Kirk may get, Lars is still the more popular punching bag of Metallica.
:facepalm: :lolI'm surprised how Kirk Hammett gets little credit as a guitarist. He's not as popular as Lars or Kirk.:lol
I'm assuming you meant James, but I'd agree that Kirk of today is not as popular as Kirk of thirty or even twenty years ago. Compared to Lars, I'd disagree that Lars is more popular. Nevermind, forget that. No matter how much crap Kirk may get, Lars is still the more popular punching bag of Metallica.
You people are confusing the hell out of me. :lol
60% of the time, his solos are better than Kirks. Every time.:rollin :rollin
Kirk came from Exodus. Exodus is still around, right? Haven't listened to them. Are they a thrash band? When I hear Exodus mentioned I think of them as a death metal band.Exodus is doing better than ever these days, and you aren't completely off with the Death Metal thought. With the addition of Rob Dukes, their already visceral sound is the complete package.
Kirk came from Exodus. Exodus is still around, right? Haven't listened to them. Are they a thrash band? When I hear Exodus mentioned I think of them as a death metal band.Exodus is doing better than ever these days, and you aren't completely off with the Death Metal thought. With the addition of Rob Dukes, their already visceral sound is the complete package.
But there older stuff is definitely thrash.
BTW, what Metallica album would you guys say DM is the most similar to?
Heyyyy hey HEY!I gotta say, the collab not working out was mainly due to the complete lack of tempo stability (mainly Lars' fault). If they would have played it tight and not too fast, it would have been great. The concept was pretty cool anyway. I really liked Lang Lang nailing the guitar solo :P
FatAlbertcore :metal
Man, they really didn't work out that piano collab with Ken Jeong at the Grammy's tonight. It's like stepping on some grapes with your dirty bare feet and immediately pouring the juice into a glass and calling it cabernet.
Heyyyy hey HEY!I gotta say, the collab not working out was mainly due to the complete lack of tempo stability (mainly Lars' fault). If they would have played it tight and not too fast, it would have been great. The concept was pretty cool anyway. I really liked Lang Lang nailing the guitar solo :P
FatAlbertcore :metal
Man, they really didn't work out that piano collab with Ken Jeong at the Grammy's tonight. It's like stepping on some grapes with your dirty bare feet and immediately pouring the juice into a glass and calling it cabernet.
BTW, what Metallica album would you guys say DM is the most similar to?
I think of DM as the missing link between AJFA and TBA. It seems like a 'perfect' melding of the two.
James sounded very good indeed, maybe the best he's sounded since the nineties? He also looked a lot better without the goatee and hair dye.
Quoting comment from Youtube: "The pianist might be good but he totally messed up this performance."
Lol, no. That was Lars. If he would've kept the same tempo (and preferably not much faster than the album version) it would've sounded great.
1. In Utero
2. Nevermind
3. Bleach
4. Incesticide
5. Unplugged in New York
I thought the piano didn't fit at all. And that was just a sad performance for Lars.
I thought the piano didn't fit at all. And that was just a sad performance for Lars.
That. The piano did have a couple of cool moments, but it didn't work with Metallica's performance overall (and I think the band's intonation was slightly off too). I almost feel sorry for Hetfield being stuck with those other guys.
I think Trujillo's cool too. He's just woefully underutilized.
Eye of the Beholder's solo is pretty exotic sounding. Anyone care to hip me to what mode that's in?
I bet Lars doesn't play that awesome drum bit at the 4 minute mark.It's really short, but that is one of my favourite drum fills in any Metallica song.
There's a similar drum fill in Rebel Of Babylon - albeit played with much less precision.I bet Lars doesn't play that awesome drum bit at the 4 minute mark.It's really short, but that is one of my favourite drum fills in any Metallica song.
New Kirk Hammett interview in Kerrang! this week.
" We still have not started ".
JFC. Does anyone really even care anymore ?
Metallica are playing a brand new song at their gig tonight.
It should be all over the net tomorrow but i'm not holding out much hope of it being any good.
Metallica are playing a brand new song at their gig tonight.
It should be all over the net tomorrow but i'm not holding out much hope of it being any good.
::) ::) ::) Yep, let's start the pre-judging and hating BEFORE they even play the new song. There's no possible way it could be any good.... ::)
Frankly, I appreciate that they try new stuff out and then refine it based on how it feels live and how the crowd reacts. Not many bands of that size would do that.
DM was the first time they stopped progressing as a band and basically became a nostalgia act. DM was throwing a bone to the stubborn thrash fans who won't accept anything that isn't mindlessly thrashing an E string at 200bpm. And DM proved that that is literally all those fans wanted, because that album wasn't even worthy of tying TBA's shoes.
Are we really dissing Exodus in here? Exodus are so rad. :I
DM was the first time they stopped progressing as a band and basically became a nostalgia act. DM was throwing a bone to the stubborn thrash fans who won't accept anything that isn't mindlessly thrashing an E string at 200bpm. And DM proved that that is literally all those fans wanted, because that album wasn't even worthy of tying TBA's shoes.
Christ dude. We get it. You're incapable of accepting that some people didn't like tba/Loads for what they were, not just because they were shit albums in some folks' opinions so you insist on being a generalizing, condescending snob toward them even though many of us don't even have thrash in our top five favorite genres.
As for mixing it up? Any significant change is mixing it up. It still was way simplistic, bland, and mediocre to many of us. I can't change the fact that those three (two, really) albums came out but if some people liked them then I'm glad someone got something out of 'em.
Basically DM provides for many of us the much-needed relief from Load-SA that tba provided for you from the golden three though you probably like the golden three a lot more than the Load-SA dissentors liked that era yet instead of realizing that both sides of this argument have similar gripes, you act like there's some kind of objective basis for your viewpoint and that the others are some Exodus shirt-wearing neanderthals.
I liked the song, pretty much what I expected from Metallica at this point.
It sounds like the album might be going in the right direction. But what is a lord of summer? That doesn't sound very threatening or metal. It sounds like someone's about to throw a beach party.
I liked the song, pretty much what I expected from Metallica at this point.
:iagree: I'll give that a thumbs up -- definitely heading in the right direction there. :tup They often take a new song idea and then carve it into a couple other pieces or whittle it down by the time it makes it to a CD, so I'm sure there will be more refinements. I'm pleased.
The instrumental section is good, especially if compared to DM. The rest is average.It sounds like the album might be going in the right direction. But what is a lord of summer? That doesn't sound very threatening or metal. It sounds like someone's about to throw a beach party.
Lord of [Insert menacing word] would be too generic :lol
my biggest problem with Metallica is the best albums (KEA-AJFA) they were angry, drug using alcohol swilling musicians and it came across in the agressive nature of the albums. They got older, sober and starting having families and the anger/agression disappeared
Start with a thrasher - FFWF, Battery, Blackened
Epic title track - RtL, MoP, AJFA
Mid tempo anthem - FWtBT, TTTSNB, EOTB
Ballad becomes thrasher - FtB, WHS, One
The side 2's of each album rearrange slightly, but the pieces are all there.
Mini-epic anthem - CD, DH, FEOS
Mid tempo bouncer - Escape, LM, (then AJFA has two of these on side two with SS and HoS)
Instrumental - CoK, Orion, TLiTD
Thrasher - TUI, DI, DE
You guys, you don't have to be a messed up, angry person to write aggressive music. Check out Sockweb, a grindcore duo consisting of a dad and his 7 year old daughter. Some heavy as fuck music, and they're just having fun.
I attribute the change partially just due to the music being very demanding to play, especially as you get older.
The thing is, and this is just the process of life, is that Metallica back in the 80s had probably an Us vs Them mentality with those guys being US against everything (including glam metal, I believe) and once they pretty much conquered all there is left to conquer, what is there left to do? Now we are in the 10s and they are now the them in the us vs them mentality.
A better way to address this is that Metallica used to be underdogs of sorts and now they are no longer underdogs and that they don't that chip in the shoulder anymore and quite honestly, this was by no means their fault. It is just how life is. So if they go ahead release an album like DM within x amount of years, that's fine. I can't really ask for anything more than that from them, these days.
Honestly, if all four guys are content with their lifestyle, they don't really have to push the envelope creatively. I mean, obviously, we want them to that and make some compelling songs in the process, but they don't have to fulfill any obligations of that sort.
Start with a thrasher - FFWF, Battery, Blackened
Epic title track - RtL, MoP, AJFA
Mid tempo anthem - FWtBT, TTTSNB, EOTB
Ballad becomes thrasher - FtB, WHS, One
The side 2's of each album rearrange slightly, but the pieces are all there.
Mini-epic anthem - CD, DH, FEOS
Mid tempo bouncer - Escape, LM, (then AJFA has two of these on side two with SS and HoS)
Instrumental - CoK, Orion, TLiTD
Thrasher - TUI, DI, DE
Start with a thrasher - FFWF, Battery, Blackened
Epic title track - RtL, MoP, AJFA
Mid tempo anthem - FWtBT, TTTSNB, EOTB
Ballad becomes thrasher - FtB, WHS, One
The side 2's of each album rearrange slightly, but the pieces are all there.
Mini-epic anthem - CD, DH, FEOS
Mid tempo bouncer - Escape, LM, (then AJFA has two of these on side two with SS and HoS)
Instrumental - CoK, Orion, TLiTD
Thrasher - TUI, DI, DE
Thanks for ruining Metallica for me.
Just kidding, but damn, they are pretty formulaic aren't they?
DM was the first time they stopped progressing as a band and basically became a nostalgia act. DM was throwing a bone to the stubborn thrash fans who won't accept anything that isn't mindlessly thrashing an E string at 200bpm. And DM proved that that is literally all those fans wanted, because that album wasn't even worthy of tying TBA's shoes.
Christ dude. We get it. You're incapable of accepting that some people didn't like tba/Loads for what they were, not just because they were shit albums in some folks' opinions so you insist on being a generalizing, condescending snob toward them even though many of us don't even have thrash in our top five favorite genres.
As for mixing it up? Any significant change is mixing it up. It still was way simplistic, bland, and mediocre to many of us. I can't change the fact that those three (two, really) albums came out but if some people liked them then I'm glad someone got something out of 'em.
Basically DM provides for many of us the much-needed relief from Load-SA that tba provided for you from the golden three though you probably like the golden three a lot more than the Load-SA dissentors liked that era yet instead of realizing that both sides of this argument have similar gripes, you act like there's some kind of objective basis for your viewpoint and that the others are some Exodus shirt-wearing neanderthals.
:chill
I'd take the entire 90 - 00 Metallica over the 00 - 10 Metallica any day
Load could be Metallica's best album.
Get at me.
I'd take the entire 90 - 00 Metallica over the 00 - 10 Metallica any day
Is that even a competition? :lol
But what would you take between '80s Metallica and '90s Metallica? I know most people would consider that a no contest, but that would be a tough call for me.
Load could be Metallica's best album.
Get at me.
Aside from the production, I find AJFA to be Metallica's masterpiece. I love how dark and angry it is. Blackened is definitely my favorite Metallica song. :metalexactly how I feel
Master is easily their best. A masterpiece start to finish with AJFA close behind.
I'd take RTL over Puppets.
I'd take RTL over Puppets.Yep. Not even close.
As great as Ride is, it's got Escape, which is almost completely forgettable IMO. The album is definitely much more raw than Puppets, but I take Puppets quite easily for its variety. It feels like it has many more layers to it and the track listing is consistently amazing throughout. To me, it's really no contest.
As great as Ride is, it's got Escape, which is almost completely forgettable IMO. The album is definitely much more raw than Puppets, but I take Puppets quite easily for its variety. It feels like it has many more layers to it and the track listing is consistently amazing throughout. To me, it's really no contest.
I was never that big on Leper Messiah and The Thing. That lets Puppets down a little. Escape IMO is pretty good.
I'd take RTL over Puppets.Definitely.
Aside from the production, I find AJFA to be Metallica's masterpiece. I love how dark and angry it is. Blackened is definitely my favorite Metallica song. :metal
I'd take RTL over Puppets.
I think I might actually agree with that.
As great as Ride is, it's got Escape, which is almost completely forgettable IMO. The album is definitely much more raw than Puppets, but I take Puppets quite easily for its variety. It feels like it has many more layers to it and the track listing is consistently amazing throughout. To me, it's really no contest.
Escape is awesome.
It's better than Fight Fire With Fire and Trapped Under Ice, but that's not saying much.
I like this song a lot.Bit late - but congrats on your 9001st post! :metal
Ooh - by the way :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOtev3rEKI
The Lords Of Summer - Official Studio Version.
Ooh - by the way :Well, Demo version, but man this sounds great!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOtev3rEKI
The Lords Of Summer - Official Studio Version.
Video not available in Germany :censored #3#&6!0
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Try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLSdUjeyi_4
Sounds very promising, If this is a sign of whats to come it should be great. Just keep Rick Rubin the hell away from it.
Sounds very promising, If this is a sign of whats to come it should be great. Just keep Rick Rubin the hell away from it.
I don't know what artists see in Rick Rubin. Out of the albums he's worked on that I've heard, I don't think any of them were great. Actually, the two recent ones that come to mind both just sound like stripped back clones of their former selves.
Red Hot Chili Peppers, I mean even if you don't like their music, their albums sound great.Sounds very promising, If this is a sign of whats to come it should be great. Just keep Rick Rubin the hell away from it.
I don't know what artists see in Rick Rubin. Out of the albums he's worked on that I've heard, I don't think any of them were great. Actually, the two recent ones that come to mind both just sound like stripped back clones of their former selves.
Sounds very promising, If this is a sign of whats to come it should be great. Just keep Rick Rubin the hell away from it.
I don't know what artists see in Rick Rubin. Out of the albums he's worked on that I've heard, I don't think any of them were great. Actually, the two recent ones that come to mind both just sound like stripped back clones of their former selves.
Licenced to Ill from the Beasties is a classic. And the first two albums he did with Slayer were un-freakin-believable. Bloodsugarsexmagik was pretty good. But after that, I haven't heard a single thing I thought was good. I had such high hopes for his collaboration with AC/DC, and I was really underwhelmed.
Luckily Metallica are well aware of the furore surrounding Death Magnetic's audio and they won't let it happen again.
It was definitely fortunate that Death Magnetic happened to end up as a full album feature in Guitar Hero around that time, and that due to the mixing/mastering process for that game, there exists a version of the album that isn't completely brick walled.
The original release has an overall DR rating of about 3. The Guitar Hero version is about 12/13, with a low point of 11. It's night and day.
It was definitely fortunate that Death Magnetic happened to end up as a full album feature in Guitar Hero around that time, and that due to the mixing/mastering process for that game, there exists a version of the album that isn't completely brick walled.Eh, while I admit the Guitar Hero version is slightly better, it still isn't that great.
The original release has an overall DR rating of about 3. The Guitar Hero version is about 12/13, with a low point of 11. It's night and day.
I wanna know how James sounds so good.
His voice has been pretty good since 2012 but this is something else.
Plus Lars doesn't appear to be rushing on this song. Unless they're recording to a click - which I doubt since it's only a demo...
It sounds like they're all trying to up their game.
I just watched the MetOnTour video of them playing Blackened in Colombia (https://youtu.be/QirkaL_kLqs?t=13m44s) - it sounded quite good actually! It really does look like Lars has been practicing lately. Too bad they still skip the last bit of the solo though :/
With all that money - he could have afforded plugs or something....
Also, he doesn't have the hairline for longer hair. He's transitioning into the Hulk Hogan hairstyle.
(https://www.metallica.com/images/20120606_pics/06june0612_pic39.jpg)
I'm loving the production though. A huge Step up from Death Magnetic.
I'd be happy with a new studio album from Metallica that sounded as good as this.
But yeah - James sounds phenomenal.
Plus James has said that he's been getting extra help.
That Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.
:tupThat Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.
Except that you can hear the bass :neverusethis:
:lolThat Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.
Except that you can hear the bass :neverusethis:
:lolThat Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.
Except that you can hear the bass :neverusethis:
On a related note, I've heard some fan-made remasters that have bass. They just sound weird. Then again, I think the people that made them may have overcompensated.
:lolThat Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.
Except that you can hear the bass :neverusethis:
On a related note, I've heard some fan-made remasters that have bass. They just sound weird. Then again, I think the people that made them may have overcompensated.
I think it's a combination of them overcompensating (because they're more concerned with "JUSTICE FOR JASON" and showing off that there is a bass line, than actually having a balanced listenable mix), and also the fact we've just never heard the bass properly before.
In a lot of parts, the bass line is not quite what I would have expected, and doesn't just follow the guitar, so it's jarring to finally hear this new melodic element on top of songs we've known for decades.
Now that Metallica own the rights to their music, I hope they listen to the fans and have that album remixed and re-released (without a loud remaster ruining it). That would effectively be like a new Metallica album to me.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallica-talk-effortless-dio-tribute-hear-it-here-first-20140324Metallica's always been an excellent cover band. Always enjoy that. As for this, Light in the Black is the song best suited for them and it's the one they were least faithful to. You listen to the old live versions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXzUk7DESMU&feature=player_detailpage#t=412) of it and it's just blistering. Exactly what Metallica should do perfectly, but they played off-time versions of it both times without the original intensity. Didn't much care for Tarot Woman. Stargazer sounded great. I particularly liked the guitar harmonies after each line in the first verse; adds a classic Metallica touch. Kill the King was very good as well, but much like we saw with Light in the Black, Lars is no Cozy Powell. Think that was the biggest issue here. Still, enjoyable to listen to.
Their 9 minute Ronnie James Dio Medley.
Mechanix is a dumb song, but I love Mustaine's playing on it. Fucking fast, sloppy and full of energy. Like he's a kid jerking off. :lol
It's like something Steel Panther would write - only they're taking the piss.
I fucking hate these Metallica fans who bitch all the time and shit on music that hasn't even been written yet. Death Magnetic was a fantastic album, and likely the new album will be a lot like it in style, not a bad thing! It's a great thrash album. I just heard that new Slayer song that was put out, and it was a pile of shit! But when i went and read the comment section, it was full of people shitting on Metallica and cumming over the Slayer song. It makes me sad.
Any cricket fans in know how far along four innings is ? :lolI thought he was making more of a baseball analogy, which would mean they're not even halfway done with it. :lol
They haven't decided on producer yet.Oh? I'll have to try not to get my hopes up after hearing that. :lol
Even Evelyn Glennie could play in time better than Lars.What do you mean by even?
Even Evelyn GlennieAnyone could play in time better than Lars.
I wouldn't call DT the biggest rock band in the world.
I wouldn't call DT the biggest rock band in the world.:clap:
I wouldn't call DT the biggest rock band in the world.:clap:
This is the Metallica thread.
I don't get the hate Death Magnetic gets. It's fuckin awesome. This is what people have wanted for so long, a return to classic thrash by the band.
So my question is, what do you all want to hear on the next Metallica record? What particular traits would make their next album pleasing to you? Only serious answers please.
I don't get the hate Death Magnetic gets. It's fuckin awesome. This is what people have wanted for so long, a return to classic thrash by the band.
So my question is, what do you all want to hear on the next Metallica record? What particular traits would make their next album pleasing to you? Only serious answers please.
I agree with what you guys are saying about the new album. I'd really like some good mixing and production, plus songwriting that doesn't focus on emulating their old style. I'd really like to hear what they come up with if they only place the restriction 'Metallica' on their songwriting. I still believe they can write and perform great songs. The latter, for me at least, is proven by the fact that most of their covers are ridiculously good.
I wouldn't want them to play it live. Lars would skip playing the best part of the song at 4 minutes.Agreed with the latter part, though I'd still like to hear what it sounds like.
:lol
I can't wait for September to roll around so they can find another excuse to not be in the studio....
Touring with the old hit songs from the 80s and making fat money VS another watered down and boring studio album that nobody except for the extreme hardcore fans (who will like anything) will like
hmmm.... :justjen
Things that will happen before Metallica or Tool release a new album :
• Chino will decide Avatar sucks.
• BlobVanDam will post about how much he loves Star Trek Into Darkness
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/)I thought the problem was with Ted Jensen's mastering rather than Rick Rubin's general producing.
According to lars the Identity of the person producing the new album isn't a surprise. If its Rick Rubin again than the album has been downgraded from a possible pre-order to a torrent. I thought the songs on Death Magnetic were pretty good (although a bit generic.) I would like it more if Rick had not ruined it with the loudness war bullshit. He did an alright job on the sabbath album but I dont want him anywhere near metallica ever again.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/)I thought the problem was with Ted Jensen's mastering rather than Rick Rubin's general producing.
According to lars the Identity of the person producing the new album isn't a surprise. If its Rick Rubin again than the album has been downgraded from a possible pre-order to a torrent. I thought the songs on Death Magnetic were pretty good (although a bit generic.) I would like it more if Rick had not ruined it with the loudness war bullshit. He did an alright job on the sabbath album but I dont want him anywhere near metallica ever again.
I would much rather Bob Rock than Rick Rubin, but I'm not sure it's likely after St Anger.
I would much rather Bob Rock than Rick Rubin, but I'm not sure it's likely after St Anger.
Bite your tongue -- Bob Rock enabled all of Metallica's worst ideas on their last few albums when he should've had the balls as produce to say, "No, Lars, those snares sound like shit" on St. Anger. I seriously hope he never teams up with Metallica again.
I'd happily take another Rick Rubin effort.
AND : Saint Anger would not have sounded like that if METALLICA didn't want it to. Too many people seem to think that Bob Rock stormed in one day and said it's going to sound like
THIS and Lars & James had no option but to go along with it :lol
In the SKOM movie - Lars was saying even before St Anger began that he wanted an "ugly nasty fucked up album". I suppose that was all Bob Rock's fault ?
I never thought I'd see Metallica cover The Beatles. Not that it was a brilliant cover or whatever, it was still touching and at the same time important to see that even Metallica acknowledges The Beatles. What a pleasant surprise.
On that note, this reminds me. There's a cover band called Beatallica where they mashed up Beatles and Metallica songs. It's not bad. It's weird however. Metallica approves of them though.
He's responsible for so many amazing albums in the past, it's not even funny. There was a time when anything the guy touched was guaranteed to be fantastic. I have no idea what happened. Everything after Blood Sugar Sex Magic has been awful.
Everything after Blood Sugar Sex Magic has been awful.Say what you want about the sound quality(which I think sounds fine) but the Red Hot Chili Peppers are still amazing. I'm With You was amazing as were the all of the b-sides they released.
Everything after Blood Sugar Sex Magic has been awful.
Very well done. Lars even appeared to nail the all-important drum fill or if it was off in any way it was virtually unnoticeable. Maybe this'll give 'em the motivation to drag some more shit out of the closet like Where the Wild Things are.
I still don't think the song is that great, but I'd like to see them play the rarer stuff a bit more.I can't really see that happening with this By Request thing they're doing now.
That Frayed Ends performance was pretty damn good except for the solo. One of my favourite songs from AJFA, cool to see it finally played live in its entirety.If Kirk were to practise a lot more, and if he were to be able to nail the solo, Metallica would be really fun to see live again. I mean, Lars nowadays isn't a very good drummer still, but he is a lot better than he was 10 (or even 5) years ago. James is only getting better and Robert is always good.
I think the thing that makes the live staples fun for me is the energy of the crowd. When a band plays a deep cut from a one of their less popular albums, there are going to be people in the crowd who love it, but there are also going to be people in the crowd who hate it, as well as people who just don't give a fuck about it, and potentially even a few people who have never even heard it. On the other hand, when a band lays a live staple and traditional fan favorite, yes, there are going to be some people who are sick of it, but the vocal majority are going to be singing along and rocking the fuck out, and that energy makes for a great experience.
For example, when I went to see Iron Maiden, I know there were people in the audience who had been to hundreds of Maiden concerts and were sick to death of hearing Fear of the Dark. You know what I would say to those people? 'Tough shit.' It was my first time seeing them, and I would have been severely disappointed if I didn't get to experience FotD. There's a reason they keep playing that song - it's an amazing audience participation song, and it makes for a wonderful live atmosphere.
Same thing goes with some of the Metallica staples for me. Even if they aren't necessarily my favorite songs, I'm going to love the experience, because I'm going to be surrounded by a sea of people who are loving it.
So I was watching Creeping Death from Cunning Stunts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-rrzdyeDC0) and it occurred to me that there is more time between now and Cunning Stunts than there is between Cunning Stunts and the release of Creeping Death.
Very interesting and good intro video in light of the whole some people wanted Metallica out of Glastonbury due to James' thing on hunting on the History Channel (I think).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUbulh9WdLtEXiooRcYK7SWw&v=L3BSjV0IkWU
Start it at around 1:30. Before that time is their standard intro video.
lol
https://www.metalsucks.net/2014/07/02/new-lars-shirt-available-etsy/
lol
https://www.metalsucks.net/2014/07/02/new-lars-shirt-available-etsy/
lolFucking ouch. I'd think a genuine Metallica fan wouldn't want to disrespect Metallica by wearing that. (I'm not implying you would or wouldn't, I'm just speaking in general)
https://www.metalsucks.net/2014/07/02/new-lars-shirt-available-etsy/
Yeah. I'm now at the point where I no longer bother to see whats going on with it.
If it ever comes out I'll find out, bot for now I AM THE TABLE
So Lars has said that they've "pretty much" finished writing - have close to 20 songs completed and will enter Pre-Production within a month.
I guess that's *something*. I'd never expect a concrete update like that from TOOL.
I still don't expect the album before Sep 2016 at the earliest. But hey ho.
So Lars has said that they've "pretty much" finished writing - have close to 20 songs completed and will enter Pre-Production within a month.
I guess that's *something*. I'd never expect a concrete update like that from TOOL.
I still don't expect the album before Sep 2016 at the earliest. But hey ho.
That would be 8 years between full studio albums. Insane. I remember back in the 80s long before the internet you would just constantly check the record stores hoping to see a new release. Good thing my favorite bands didn't take 8 years in between albums back then. :lol
I don't think i've ever gone into a record store and just seen one of my favourite bands has a new album out without knowing about it.
I don't think i've ever gone into a record store and just seen one of my favourite bands has a new album out without knowing about it.
Usually the way you found out about new albums was on the radio. There'd be a new single or a video on MTV.
I worked in a record store in the 80s and we did know what was coming inside a couple of months, and had a coming soon board for releases about a month out. You still could wander into a store and be shocked by what you found, but that was gone for me at least by the mid-80s.Right. Most stores had a "Upcoming New Releases" board hanging up.
After St. Anger and Death Magnetic, I'm expecting audiophile recording and mixing this time. Stop fooling around.
I worked in a record store in the 80s and we did know what was coming inside a couple of months, and had a coming soon board for releases about a month out. You still could wander into a store and be shocked by what you found, but that was gone for me at least by the mid-80s.Right. Most stores had a "Upcoming New Releases" board hanging up.
And there were still ways to follow a band. Kerrang had a great news section, that was very up to date.
How is this even possible?
https://bravewords.com/news/metallica-have-lost-more-money-than-theyve-made-according-to-authors-of-into-the-black
How is this even possible?
https://bravewords.com/news/metallica-have-lost-more-money-than-theyve-made-according-to-authors-of-into-the-black
One thing I don't quite understand though...
Metallica as a business lost all that money but Metallica the individuals are still set for life.
Where does the money for the "business" side come from if the guys in the band don't pay for it ?
How do they seperate personal royalties from business funds ?
Anyone business minded care to help me out ?
How is this even possible?
https://bravewords.com/news/metallica-have-lost-more-money-than-theyve-made-according-to-authors-of-into-the-black
2 x Orion Festivals which lost money.
1 x Lulu album which nobody bought
1 x 3D Concert movie which flopped badly
Honestly - the stupidest thing they did was - after releasing a well received comeback LP and successful tour in 2008 -
they did nothing to follow it up and maintain that new momentum. They stopped dead in their tracks and let it all grind to a halt.
I expect the Metallica business to have built up fairly substantial reserves from past successes.
I'd also point out that the article only says "it's likely" that the business has lost money. They don't know for certain, as it's only based on the fact that there have been some financial disasters, but they won't know the details of how much money their successes have made. I imagine that, other than the Orion festival, most of their touring is quite profitable.
But it's beautiful, beautiful space.
Seriously, tho. And Justice for Jason is great. I really enjoyed listening through that.
Wow, its been a really long time since I've posted here..
I've been listening a lot to Load and ReLoad recently. I never really cared for these albums. I guess it's because I was in my real big Metallica fase about fifteen years ago, when I was a pure metalhead.
I love these two albums now. The production is really good, the melodies are good, the bass is crisp, the guitars are FAT, and I like the way Lars actually utilizes the drums. When have you ever heard Lars actually use a ride-cymbal properly, beside these two albums?
There is defenitely som filler on these albums, but the albums are still really underappreciated IMO.
They're not "bad". They just aren't what you were looking for from that band. Those are two different things. You're absolutely allowed to not like them, but it's a bit silly to label them as bad just because they're not like their earlier material.Wow, its been a really long time since I've posted here..
I've been listening a lot to Load and ReLoad recently. I never really cared for these albums. I guess it's because I was in my real big Metallica fase about fifteen years ago, when I was a pure metalhead.
I love these two albums now. The production is really good, the melodies are good, the bass is crisp, the guitars are FAT, and I like the way Lars actually utilizes the drums. When have you ever heard Lars actually use a ride-cymbal properly, beside these two albums?
There is defenitely som filler on these albums, but the albums are still really underappreciated IMO.
The production is excellent on them, though I have not heard ReLoad in years. I wouldn't say the albums are underappreciated at all. You can find tons of people that like them. And maybe by another band, they're not bad albums. They are just bad Metallica albums. There are some decent tunes on Load to be sure, but that is not the Metallica that I fell in love with.
But Metallica really left their core support behind and God love them, they hit it huge, which I guess was the point. They certainly reached the masses.
Heck, even TBA was a huge shift in style.
Seriously, tho. And Justice for Jason is great. I really enjoyed listening through that.
Was it the one with the random fan who just recorded his own bass lines over it or the 4 or 5 guitar hero fan edit tracks?
No I can get though about half of Load, but to me, Metallica is a band that fell off the face of the earth in 1992.
But Metallica really left their core support behind and God love them, they hit it huge, which I guess was the point. They certainly reached the masses.
Heck, even TBA was a huge shift in style.
their core support already was the mainstream, exactly because of the black album style shift you mentioned right after. :rollin
That's fair.Hey I didn't mean to go all Fogey on you. :lol
For reference, I didn't listen to Metallica in a significant way until the early 2000s, so I wasn't along for the initial ride.
I wouldn't necessarily cite Load and Reload as better than the classic era; more that they're two very different things, and coming in late, I can appreciate each style for what they are.
Was it the one with the random fan who just recorded his own bass lines over it or the 4 or 5 guitar hero fan edit tracks?
Hmmm? I don't think so?
We doing this?
Nearly...
1. Master Of Puppets
2. The Black Album
3. Ride The Lightning
4. Load
5. And Justice For All6. Death Magnetic7. Reload
8. Kill Em All9. St Anger
1.) Ride the Lightning
1.) Load
1.) Master of Puppets
1.) The Black Album
1.) And Justice For All
1.) Death Magnetic
1.) Kill Em All
1.) Reload
2.) St. Anger
1. Master of Puppets
2. Ride the Lightning
3. And Justice For All
4. Death Magnetic
5. Metallica
6. Kill Em All
7. Load
8. Reload
9. St. Anger
1. Master of Puppets
2. Ride the Lightning
3. And Justice For All
4. Death Magnetic
5. Metallica
6. Kill Em All
7. Load
8. Reload
9. St. Anger
I'll go along with this if you're ranking based on your actual enjoyment of those albums and not because " Load, Reload & St Angry R SHIT LOLOL "
I'd rather listen to Nickelback for 5 hours than having to sit through Death Magnetic once.
Lars Townsend as Ziltoid the Impotent:tup
Haven't listened to a Metallica album in years. Hm. I can work off memory.
1. And Justice for All
2. Ride the Lightning
3. Master of Puppets
4. Kill 'em All
5. Death Magnetic
6. Load
7. Black Album
8. Reload
9. St. Anger
"Metallica are '25 percent' done with new album".
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/metallica_are_25_percent_done_with_new_album_says_kirk_hammett.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/metallica_are_25_percent_done_with_new_album_says_kirk_hammett.html)
I love their pic for the news :P
(https://cdn.ustatik.com/article/news/2/35612_ver1428929705.jpg)
+2
Sebo
posted on Apr 13, 2015 10:05 am #
Please enlight us with your riffs and songwritting that are better then what is on Death Magnetic.
Worst argument ever. Nothing you could write could possibly be better than Metallica because you're not Metallica.
Late 2016 I'd imagine.
Late 2016 I'd imagine.
Early 2017
Why does anyone still follow this band?
Why does anyone still follow this band?
Why does anyone still follow this band?
Why does anyone still follow this band?
Sorry Jimmy, but that was incredibly patronising. :lol
Why does anyone still follow this band?
Sorry Jimmy, but that was incredibly patronising. :lol
It may sound cynical but that's how it is. :P
It's not cynical, it's patronising.Sorry Jimmy, but that was incredibly patronising. :lol
It may sound cynical but that's how it is. :P
Sorry Jimmy, but that was incredibly patronising. :lol
It may sound cynical but that's how it is. :P
Anybody who follows DT and Metallica is like somebody in an abusive relationship? Ok.
Why does anyone still follow this band?
For the same reasons people still follow DT, or believe that a new Tool album is actually coming, or like Blob said, people still watching Simpsons. Sometimes people are determined and don't want to give up. I definitely give some bands a pass despite really not being anything particular anymore, and it's like being a beaten housewife going back to an abusive husband. But that's the kind of determination you sometimes have as a fan.
Why does anyone still follow this band?Because they're still the greatest heavy metal band on the planet.
Sure, but they also can barely play their instruments anymore.
James is always on.
Rob is always on.
Kirk is hit-or-miss.
Lars is... :mehlin
Why does anyone still follow this band?
So what is everyone's favourite Met album for getting pumped? Mine used to be Ride, but I've found that Justice makes my bike ride home a lot faster.
SBT :metal
James is always on.James is great. Can't blame him for injuring his vocal cords in '90.
Rob is always on.
Kirk is hit-or-miss.
Lars is... :mehlin
Replace Lars with Portnoy.
Replace Lars with Portnoy.
I want Portnoy in Megadeth. Not Metallica.
Replays Kirk with Mustaine.
Seek and Destroy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5m_8HuEBI4)
*tiny heartbeat noise*:rollin
:) Bit quiet - i'll turn it up....
DUN !!! DUH DUH DUN DUN !!!!
:dangerwillrobinson: ITS OK. I DIDNT LIKE HEAVING EARDRUMS ANYWAY.
The good parts on Death Magnetic pretty much start and end with That Was Just Your Life.
Death Magnetic is a good album with bafflingly terrible production.
Like, even on non-brickwalled versions (the Guitar Hero version and such), it feels like it's just missing a certain something. I think I said this earlier, but in my opinion, it sounds like a demo.
I would be legitimately interested to see what Death Magnetic would sound like with better production work. Like, if the exact same material had been recorded in the same way as Ride the Lightning, or the Black Album, how would it have been received?
The songwriting on DM was a huge step up from Saint Anger. If they can step up by the same amount on the next album it could be great.
Although Lords Of Summer isn't exactly Master Of Puppets.
We will never get another Master of Puppets. We just need an album on the level of Kill Em All.
We will never get another Master of Puppets. We just need an album on the level of Kill Em All.
We will never get another Kill Em All :P
We will never get another Master of Puppets. We just need an album on the level of Kill Em All.
We will never get another Kill Em All :P
Production and sound might be a big villain, but I still think it would have been disappointing.
Have to agree with getting Rob on bass. Even though I have loved Jason all the way back to his Flotsam and Jetsam days, I truly believe that Rob is a better fit for Metallica than Jason. He's just a freakin BEAST.
In fact, I will go so far as to say that Jason was Metallica's "Shaun Alexander" and Rob is their "Marshawn Lynch".....(in case you're wondering, that would make Cliff "Curt Warner" LOL But you'd have to be a Seahawk fan to get any of this, so I might just be talking to myself)
Have to agree with getting Rob on bass. Even though I have loved Jason all the way back to his Flotsam and Jetsam days, I truly believe that Rob is a better fit for Metallica than Jason. He's just a freakin BEAST.
In fact, I will go so far as to say that Jason was Metallica's "Shaun Alexander" and Rob is their "Marshawn Lynch".....(in case you're wondering, that would make Cliff "Curt Warner" LOL But you'd have to be a Seahawk fan to get any of this, so I might just be talking to myself)
Have to agree with getting Rob on bass. Even though I have loved Jason all the way back to his Flotsam and Jetsam days, I truly believe that Rob is a better fit for Metallica than Jason. He's just a freakin BEAST.
In fact, I will go so far as to say that Jason was Metallica's "Shaun Alexander" and Rob is their "Marshawn Lynch".....(in case you're wondering, that would make Cliff "Curt Warner" LOL But you'd have to be a Seahawk fan to get any of this, so I might just be talking to myself)
Hey, no disrespect to Curt Warner please, from a PSU alumn :biggrin:
It's funny how 95% of the Metallica setlist has been the same songs since 2003 or so, with a few songs being switched around. If I saw that setlist, I would probably consider King Nothing a highlight, because it's at least slightly rare.
I want them to retire.
I want them to retire.
They should have done in 1999 after S&M.
I don't know what kind of rep S&M has among the Metallica fans, because I got into it (and the band) before I found out about message boards, but I think it's pretty darn awesome. I haven't listened to it in ages, but the band tried something different and it worked. I can imagine a lot of metalheads complaining that the orchestra made the songs "gayass", but as someone who doesn't care about how "metal" something is, I say bravo.
The S&M version of One is one of the most magnificent pieces of music ever played.
Pretty much how I felt when I heard S&M for the first time.The S&M version of One is one of the most magnificent pieces of music ever played.Unfortunately, most of the album just sounds like the orchestra and the band are playing two entirely different songs to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eq9RVKT9XQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eq9RVKT9XQ)
I'm not sure of newthis James Hetfield interview is, but I found it really interesting. More about him as a human being and guitar player and less about Metallica.
I just found this, but maybe someone already posted it sometime ago. Anyway, it's basically how St. Anger could've sounded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU-UI3_6HcM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eq9RVKT9XQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eq9RVKT9XQ)
I'm not sure of newthis James Hetfield interview is, but I found it really interesting. More about him as a human being and guitar player and less about Metallica.
I can listen to James Hetfield playing riffs for the rest of my life. He always talks about music with such passion and you can really hear that passion in his playing. He is so down to earth and you can tell that he truly loves what he does and is so grateful for the life he has.
Definitely sounds thicker and heavier, but still doesn't change the fact that the songs are awful, IMO. Production wasn't the only problem with that album.
What a great setlist in Germany ! :)
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2015/veltins-arena-gelsenkirchen-germany-4bc9a30a.html
Is 'St. Anger' a bad album because of the songwriting or because of the production?
My own truth is that both aren't really that great, but the one redeeming quality actually IS the production. I can totally dig that for some reason. I still blast the album once in a while. It's fun for about 5 minutes.
What a great setlist in Germany ! :)I'll be ordering that show from Live Metallica. Wonder what other surprises are in store for this tour.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2015/veltins-arena-gelsenkirchen-germany-4bc9a30a.html
Not if you have one of the GH mixes of DM instead of the released album.
It's much easier to listen to the CD of St. Anger than it is to listen to the CD of Death Magnetic.
Not if you have one of the GH mixes of DM instead of the released album.
It's much easier to listen to the CD of St. Anger than it is to listen to the CD of Death Magnetic.
What a great setlist in Germany ! :)I'll be ordering that show from Live Metallica. Wonder what other surprises are in store for this tour.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2015/veltins-arena-gelsenkirchen-germany-4bc9a30a.html
The S&M version of One is one of the most magnificent pieces of music ever played.
One of the few songs on the album that turned out magnificently. Unfortunately, most of the album just sounds like the orchestra and the band are playing two entirely different songs to me. Metal and orchestras can go together really well, but the individual styles just didn't work together in this case, at least on the thrashier stuff.
The S&M version of One is one of the most magnificent pieces of music ever played.
One of the few songs on the album that turned out magnificently. Unfortunately, most of the album just sounds like the orchestra and the band are playing two entirely different songs to me. Metal and orchestras can go together really well, but the individual styles just didn't work together in this case, at least on the thrashier stuff.
"One" and "Hero Of The Day" always stood out to me as the best songs on S&M
I've always said that if they cleaned up Death Magnetic- they'd just put it out without much fanfare.Thing is, if they properly announced it, they'd probably get a shitload of sales.
It's a way of not only getting a better version out there.
But they also don't have to admit there was anything wrong with it to begin with.
And they have.
When something is remixed for iTunes, what exactly are they doing?
WWMD?
Hey Everyone !
Ever wanted to be a Metallica Club Member but couldn't afford it ?
Well today is your lucky day as they have revealed a brand new homepage with a 100% FREE METCLUB !!
I've just been browsing years of exclusive videos and photos and interviews etc.
www.metallica.com/metclub.
All the long term fan club members are crying because it's not exclusive anymore.Haha yeah I saw that, great banter. Anyway, free Metallica stuff, I'll take it.
Bunch of whiney spoiled brats.
All the long term fan club members are crying because it's not exclusive anymore.
Bunch of whiney spoiled brats.
So Greg Fidelman is producing the new Metallica album.
He was the engineer on Death Magnetic and he also produced Slipknot's The Gray Chapter and
This : https://t.co/57LoX4tka0
He also produced the live audio on Through The Never - the Metallica concert movie.
Well there's loads of HQ pics from this year. Greg is there but no Rick and nobody has said anything about Rick .
I know it's not saying much because Rick is never there but James confirmed it in the new So What!
I think I read somewhere that Kirk said the new album is going to be along the lines of Death Magnetic, probably having to do with them having the same producer they had for DM.
All the long term fan club members are crying because it's not exclusive anymore.
Bunch of whiney spoiled brats.
Still waiting on those remasters... Don't really care about a new album.
Death Magnetic was a good album.
I like Load a lot more than ReLoad. Poor Twisted Me is awesome. Load has a few filler songs for me, but ReLoad has way more songs that I don't really care for.
I think I can pull 6 good songs out of the two combined.
I wouldn't say Reload has *all* the boring songs. What about Ronnie, Poor Twisted Me, Cure ?I like all of those. Comes down to taste, I guess.
I wouldn't say Reload has *all* the boring songs. What about Ronnie, Poor Twisted Me, Cure ?
Here's an idea : A personal 10 track best of featuring 1 song from each studio album ( not including Garage Inc or Lulu ) and one of the two new songs from S&M and I Disappear :No Leaf Clover at 10? :'( :'( :'(
My Ten Would Be :
1. The Four Horsemen
2. Ride The Lightning
3. Disposable Heroes
4. Frayed Ends Of Sanity
5. Sad But True / Of Wolf & Man
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Fixxxer / Carpe Diem Baby
8. My World
9. That Was Just Your Life
10. No Leaf Clover
Here's an idea : A personal 10 track best of featuring 1 song from each studio album ( not including Garage Inc or Lulu ) and one of the two new songs from S&M and I Disappear :No Leaf Clover at 10? :'( :'( :'(
My Ten Would Be :
1. The Four Horsemen
2. Ride The Lightning
3. Disposable Heroes
4. Frayed Ends Of Sanity
5. Sad But True / Of Wolf & Man
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Fixxxer / Carpe Diem Baby
8. My World
9. That Was Just Your Life
10. No Leaf Clover
Ooooh gotcha!Here's an idea : A personal 10 track best of featuring 1 song from each studio album ( not including Garage Inc or Lulu ) and one of the two new songs from S&M and I Disappear :No Leaf Clover at 10? :'( :'( :'(
My Ten Would Be :
1. The Four Horsemen
2. Ride The Lightning
3. Disposable Heroes
4. Frayed Ends Of Sanity
5. Sad But True / Of Wolf & Man
6. The Outlaw Torn
7. Fixxxer / Carpe Diem Baby
8. My World
9. That Was Just Your Life
10. No Leaf Clover
It's not a ranking. It's the songs i'd choose from each album with one bonus song from S&M or I Disappear.
8. My World
:tup :tup I thought I was the only one who liked that song. But it's so good!
I don't know, I actually like St. Anger quite a bit. Every song has at least some good bits. For example, I think the riff in the middle of All Within My Hands with the stutters introducing it just before the 'Love is control, I'll die if I let go' is really cool.
:tup :tup I thought I was the only one who liked that song. But it's so good!
it's by far the best song on that album. With All Within My Hands being dead last.
In fact it's the only song on St Anger I can't actually sit through.
I don't know, I actually like St. Anger quite a bit. Every song has at least some good bits. For example, I think the riff in the middle of All Within My Hands with the stutters introducing it just before the 'Love is control, I'll die if I let go' is really cool.
:tup :tup I thought I was the only one who liked that song. But it's so good!
it's by far the best song on that album. With All Within My Hands being dead last.
In fact it's the only song on St Anger I can't actually sit through.
Though I have learned a lot about music in the last year due to singing in a choir, taking singing lessons and piano lessons and having conversations with my uncle (who went to a music college) about music, I know what you mean but I haven't really noticed it before. Maybe it's because I haven't listened to the album in a while. But I believe you :lolI don't know, I actually like St. Anger quite a bit. Every song has at least some good bits. For example, I think the riff in the middle of All Within My Hands with the stutters introducing it just before the 'Love is control, I'll die if I let go' is really cool.
:tup :tup I thought I was the only one who liked that song. But it's so good!
it's by far the best song on that album. With All Within My Hands being dead last.
In fact it's the only song on St Anger I can't actually sit through.
Too many riffs on that album are in the 0 - 3 - 5 progression.
Along the way, excited Lars revealed that renowned producer and studio engineer, Mr. Greg Fidelman, is a part of the recording process.
It remains unknown which exact position is Fidelman covering in the studio, but he's certainly there.
The man has already worked with the 'Tallica fold before, as an engineer/mixer on "Death Magnetic," and as a producer/engineer/mixer on the infamous "Lulu."
As for the remainder of Greg's career, the producer's work spans back to 1995. His first notable work was an engineering gig on System of a Down's 1998 self-titled debut.
Since then, he has worked with a vast array of musicians, delving both into areas of pop and crushing metal.
Fidelman's notable efforts as an engineer include Audioslave's self-titled debut from 2002, Jet's 2003 "Get Born," Black Sabbath's "13," and more.
As an engineer/mixer, Greg worked on Adele's "21," Red Hot Chili Peppers' "I'm With You," Slayer's "World Painted Blood," Johnny Cash's "American V: A Hundred Highways," Slipknot's "Vol. 3: The Subliminal Verses," and more.
Finally, the man is credited as the producer of two quite notable recent releases in metal - Slipknot's ".5: The Gray Chapter," and Slayer's "Repentless." If he's handling production on the new Metallica release, these two albums could serve as the strongest indicators of the production type we should expect.
I certainly hope the mix isn't going to be as bad as the mix on DM. We'll see.
Wow, 30 years since "Ride the Lightning"?! That went quick.
https://www.guitarworld.com/metallicas-kirk-hammett-talks-ride-lightning-cliff-burton-and-benefits-taking-guitar-lessons-joe-satriani
:lol he sounds permanently baked to me.
I get they were really good at one point but there really is no reason why they should still be considered "The Biggest Metal Band in the WORLD" any more. They should be known as "The Most FRUSTRATING Metal Band in the WORLD". Anyway, it was nice yet disappointing trip down memory lane. I still think the biggest "What if" in the history of metal is What if Cliff never died? What would Metallica have turning into after Master of Puppets?
. I still think the biggest "What if" in the history of metal is What if Cliff never died? What would Metallica have turning into after Master of Puppets?
. I still think the biggest "What if" in the history of metal is What if Cliff never died? What would Metallica have turning into after Master of Puppets?
I remember that story that they almost fired Lars in the 80s.....combining both "What ifs"......If Metallica consisted of James, Kirk, Cliff and some amazing metal drummer, then Metallica wouldn't even be the same band that they are now!
Bonus Track: Through the Never version of Orion
If I had to make one album out of Load , Reload and the 3 new songs we got between Reload and Saint Anger :
1. Ain't My Bitch
2. 2x4
3. Devil's Dance
4. Hero Of The Day
5. Carpe Diem Baby
6. Bleeding Me
7. Wasting My Hate
8. Where The Wild Things Are
9. Mama Said
10. No Leaf Clover
11. Fixxxer
12. The Outlaw Torn
Something like that.
The ballady songs from those albums are amongst the best of the bands' career.
What if a genie granted me one wish in 1985 and I decided to disappear all current and future wah pedals.
TBA is to St. Anger what a pretty, fluffy, perfumed toy poodle is to a snarling, rabid, angry junkyard dog.
TBA is to St. Anger what a pretty, fluffy, perfumed toy poodle is to a snarling, rabid, angry junkyard dog.
St. Anger is very, very far from snarling, rabid, or angry. This is independent of the subjective side (liking, disliking, whether they were attempting nu-metal tropes, etc.) - truly objectively, there is no heart in the playing and arranging on that record whatsoever. Everything repeats 4 or 8 times because... because? There's no reason. The songs don't follow the intuition that makes a song like "No Leaf Clover" - to give a nearby example in the Metallica timeline - flow and justify any repetition. Every SA song is so bloated, such a clearly heartless attempt at being what people expect once the "hard blues" experiment was over so they could market a 'return to form'... I'll take the complete failures on TBA ("The Struggle Within," "Don't Tread on Me") over any song on St. Anger anyday because at least they gave their all. I can still hear passion despite the clear attempt at radio playability. Everyone was so distracted from the drama shown in Some Kind of Monster that the music suffered tremendously.
And the DVD versions are pretty laughable every time Kirk sings.
I can't wait to hear how these turn out. All of the thrash era albums could hugely benefit from a proper remaster, as long as they don't screw it up and crank it too loud. I'm still clinging on to my empty baseless hope that AJFA will get a remix out of this series too.
My expectations are low too, but I'll give them a chance to prove me wrong. They'll probably hold off on streaming services for at least a bit so people buy it.
:lol I wish I could say that was intentional.
Man, Het doesn't even get angry when Lars fucks up anymore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QYfd9UPXvw)
I just realised that Master Of Puppets turned 30 yesterday.
I read that they tuned the guitars slightly flat on MOP - then played the master tapes back slightly faster to get it back to A440.
Now what would be the point in that ?
To get the guitars to sound thicker but still in A440 ?
I just realised that Master Of Puppets turned 30 yesterday.
Master of Puppets is IMO the greatest record of all time. There is not a single bad song on the album and I could listen to it everyday without getting tired of it.
Personally, I rank MOP below Justice and Ride. It's great, but I prefer the other two.Same here.
2. I've never cared for solos by any instrument in any band of any genre
2. I've never cared for solos by any instrument in any band of any genre, so I think I might enjoy 'St. Anger'. It's weird I have never ever given it a listen - only know the singles (which I remember liking).
Personally, I rank MOP below Justice and Ride. It's great, but I prefer the other two.Same here.
2. I've never cared for solos by any instrument in any band of any genre
It's strange reading this on a Dream Theater forum.........by a Dream Theater fan.
This is not the only objection that people have to St. Anger.
Let's put it this way: For Whom the Bell Tolls doesn't have any solos, but nobody complains about that, because it's still a good song.
I'm not one of those people who will say that St. Anger is devoid of good ideas. I think it has numerous good ideas that are for the most part either poorly executed or repeated way too many times. And then what good is there is promptly smothered by a terrible production job.
Frantic is a good song. It's a bit too repetitive, but it's a good song. I wish they would rescue that one, shorten it a bit, and play it live sometimes. There may be another couple of songs that could be salvaged—I don't know, and I haven't had it in me yet to give a second listen to that monstrosity to figure it out. But there may be.
Personally, I rank MOP below Justice and Ride. It's great, but I prefer the other two.
It may be filler in that regard, but it's still a great song IMHO.I second this. Never quite got the hate towards Escape.
I know people throw around the word "filler" willy nilly .
But Escape literally is filler.
They wrote it as a song to fill up the album.
The very definition of filler.
They even changed it when they played all of Ride...in it's entirety.
They even changed it when they played all of Ride...in it's entirety.
Really? I never compared the two, how did they change it?
Garage Inc is excellent. I definitely prefer the 2nd disc as it has all of the 80's b sides in one place, as well as Garage Days ReRevisited, which is what singlehandedly got me back into Metallica.
Still don't understand completely your beef with cover albums, but Metallica's style is so unique, I would think it'd be easier to get over.
Still don't understand completely your beef with cover albums, but Metallica's style is so unique, I would think it'd be easier to get over.
Garage Inc = ordered
I haven't listened to the whole album, but I think the "Whiskey In The Jar" version is really cool. I listened to it for the first time in 2003, I think. A few years later a friend gave me a CD of Irish music, and that was one of the songs (don't remember who sang/played on it). Nice tune!
(a rock group from Uruguay called El Cuarteto De Nos also have a version, called "Whiskey En Uruguay", on their 2014 album. Cool version too.)
Garage Inc = orderedStill don't understand completely your beef with cover albums, but Metallica's style is so unique, I would think it'd be easier to get over.
Probably because 9 times out of 10, whenever I hear a cover version, it makes me want to listen to the original. But as you say, the Metallica versions are so... out there. They really seem to own the songs (while still respecting the originals). When I hear DT cover Rainbow, it almost seems like they're just skating across the surface of the song, and it immediately makes me reach for my Rainbow album.
I started listening to Metallica around the time of Master of Puppets. Justice is my favorite by far with Frayed Ends being my favorite Metallica song. Personally, I think they've become progressively worse since the Black Album. Anyone else here feel that way? I'm not here to stir up shit. I'm sure it's an opinion many Metallica fans share.
I started listening to Metallica around the time of Master of Puppets. Justice is my favorite by far with Frayed Ends being my favorite Metallica song. Personally, I think they've become progressively worse since the Black Album. Anyone else here feel that way? I'm not here to stir up shit. I'm sure it's an opinion many Metallica fans share.
Pretty sure that's a universal feeling.
Also, Frayed Ends :metal
When I bought The Black Album, I felt that the sellout was clearly on. But that album has aged really well. It still sounds fantastic.
I watched that movie just because of One. It's a really good movie in its own right.
I didn't see doing music videos or TBA as selling out. Load and Reload more so, but they've still got plenty of great material between them if you filter it down. In retrospect, I have no problem with their evolving style at all.
When I bought The Black Album, I felt that the sellout was clearly on. But that album has aged really well. It still sounds fantastic.
Metallica wasn't a sell out . They were a band putting out music. They continued to do this on Metallica. The only difference is that the songs were shorter and had great production.
I watched that movie just because of One. It's a really good movie in its own right.
I didn't see doing music videos or TBA as selling out. Load and Reload more so, but they've still got plenty of great material between them if you filter it down. In retrospect, I have no problem with their evolving style at all.
Load, Reload and St. Anger were risky albums but they did them anyway.
I can't see Slayer putting out a risky album. Selling out can also mean putting out the same album every time because you know it will sell.
Dubliners if I'm not mistaken. Thin Lizzy made it popular though.
I'd say Death Magnetic is the first album they stopped evolving and went backwards to sell out to a certain demographic. The thrash style sounded so contrived on DM.
I'd say Death Magnetic is the first album they stopped evolving and went backwards to sell out to a certain demographic. The thrash style sounded so contrived on DM.
It wasn't Metallica. It was a HUGE shift at the time. I'm not sure how old you are but sometimes when one looks back at a band's discography perhaps there is some objectivity as to where an album sits amongst the others, but when you are present as the discographies evolve, these shifts in style are far more pronounced.
It wasn't Metallica. It was a HUGE shift at the time. I'm not sure how old you are but sometimes when one looks back at a band's discography perhaps there is some objectivity as to where an album sits amongst the others, but when you are present as the discographies evolve, these shifts in style are far more pronounced.
Most of the fans who thought TBA and Empire were sellout albums at the time would now give their left nut to have more like them ;D
I'd say Death Magnetic is the first album they stopped evolving and went backwards to sell out to a certain demographic. The thrash style sounded so contrived on DM.
That was probably Rick Ruin's fault. He pushed for a classic sound on that album.
Yeah, it is favourite Metallica album.FTFM
Yeah, it could be my favourite Metallica album.
I started listening to Metallica around the time of Master of Puppets. Justice is my favorite by far with Frayed Ends being my favorite Metallica song. Personally, I think they've become progressively worse since the Black Album. Anyone else here feel that way? I'm not here to stir up shit. I'm sure it's an opinion many Metallica fans share.
I think anyone that calls an album like "TBA" a "Sellout" is really just playing that game where a band is good as long as it's "yours", if that makes sense (like the 2,000 people that hate REM because they got into the band with Murmur and now millions of people like them).That's a reasonable observation. As is often the case with you and me, though, I like to think my problem with it is a more nuanced interpretation. While I can't speak about REM (never liked them), where I have a problem is when people jump aboard the ship for an album that I think is a huge departure for the band (and honestly pretty crappy). If everybody jumped on the bandwagon for Justice (and plenty did) I'd actually be pretty happy about it. How would we all feel if DT became a huge success on the strength of You Not Me?
I think anyone that calls an album like "TBA" a "Sellout" is really just playing that game where a band is good as long as it's "yours", if that makes sense (like the 2,000 people that hate REM because they got into the band with Murmur and now millions of people like them).That's a reasonable observation. As is often the case with you and me, though, I like to think my problem with it is a more nuanced interpretation. While I can't speak about REM (never liked them), where I have a problem is when people jump aboard the ship for an album that I think is a huge departure for the band (and honestly pretty crappy). If everybody jumped on the bandwagon for Justice (and plenty did) I'd actually be pretty happy about it. How would we all feel if DT became a huge success on the strength of You Not Me?
Right on Bart, I completely agree. I never had a problem with them getting popular. My issue is the change in style. Others may call it growth. That's fine. But if a band continues to stop making music I like, I have a right to stop following.
I can follow the line of "growth" from TBA to the first Load, but after that, I just cannot get on board.
I'm also not sure how Rush going from Hemispheres to Grace Under Pressure is "growth" either. Maybe Rush feels they did grow.
But in both cases, each band took what I liked about them and turned their backs on it.
Popularity has no effect on this discussion for me, unless the band started writing for it. And with TBA, frankly the jury is still out on that one.
... but I think many viewed it as them doing it for the money.
But they cut their hair!! :biggrin:
I started listening to Metallica around the time of Master of Puppets. Justice is my favorite by far with Frayed Ends being my favorite Metallica song. Personally, I think they've become progressively worse since the Black Album. Anyone else here feel that way? I'm not here to stir up shit. I'm sure it's an opinion many Metallica fans share.
I hope you know I'm not busting your balls here, but isn't it more correct to say "Personally, I think they've moved progressively farther from what I want to hear"? To TAC's point, I was there as they evolved, and being a Maiden and Sabbath and Kiss fan, I can remember thinking, "Yeah, RTL and MOP are okay, but I wish they weren't so one-dimensional" and then hearing ...AJFA (my college roommate bought it on vinyl day of release) and thinking "okay, they still sound thin and tinny as crap, but they are evolving!" and then finally getting the TBA album and thinking "YES! THIS! This is a band that is maturing and growing into a real sound and feel!" It was warm, it was thick, the lyrics weren't just repurposed plots from war movies, but had some DEPTH to them.
I think anyone that calls an album like "TBA" a "Sellout" is really just playing that game where a band is good as long as it's "yours", if that makes sense (like the 2,000 people that hate REM because they got into the band with Murmur and now millions of people like them).
By itself, of course. At the same time you drastically change the style of your music, pose for album covers smoking cigars and remark "Yes, We Sell Out --- Every Seat In The House," then it's one component of a much bigger picture.But they cut their hair!! :biggrin:
I know you're joking but that is the lamest reason for disliking a band.
By itself, of course. At the same time you drastically change the style of your music, pose for album covers smoking cigars and remark "Yes, We Sell Out --- Every Seat In The House," then it's one component of a much bigger picture.But they cut their hair!! :biggrin:
I know you're joking but that is the lamest reason for disliking a band.
How are MoP and RtL one-dimensional?
How are MoP and RtL one-dimensional?
By itself, of course. At the same time you drastically change the style of your music, pose for album covers smoking cigars and remark "Yes, We Sell Out --- Every Seat In The House," then it's one component of a much bigger picture.But they cut their hair!! :biggrin:
I know you're joking but that is the lamest reason for disliking a band.
I guess basic mathematics escapes you? :lol ;)
Don't worry, Kotowboy; the needle goes through the music in only one direction (albeit a spiral-ish one) and sense, so technically you were right with the one-dimensional aspect.I guess basic mathematics escapes you? :lol ;)
I guess basic humour escapes you ? :angry: :P :biggrin: ;)
Me, I mostly dislike the Black Album... but not because I'd think they sold out or whatever. It just bores me. I'm pretty excited about RtL-AJfA and then again Load and especially ReLoad (I still think it's criminally underrated), but I have problems sitting through TBA. Maybe it's the fact all the heavy hitters are in the first half, but after Wolf/God/Misery/Struggle I'm usually quite glad it's over. If I recall correctly, since I haven't heard it for quite some time, ReLoad has only one stinker in my book (Slither).
I loved Reload from Day One... :dunno:
Aside from the last (and coincidentally best) songs on each I can't tell a Load song from a Reload song. To me it's just a double album that I condense to a single.I loved Reload from Day One... :dunno:
Load kicks Reload's ass.
sry not sry
Aside from the last (and coincidentally best) songs on each I can't tell a Load song from a Reload song. To me it's just a double album that I condense to a single.I loved Reload from Day One... :dunno:
Load kicks Reload's ass.
sry not sry
I guess basic mathematics escapes you? :lol ;)
I guess basic humour escapes you ? :angry: :P :biggrin: ;)
I expect mediocre, but not awful songwriting, like Death Magnetic.
However, I really hope they do a better job producing it. I honestly can't even listen to Death Magnetic, it's just so damn loud and clippy.
I guess basic mathematics escapes you? :lol ;)
I guess basic humour escapes you ? :angry: :P :biggrin: ;)
I guess basic programming escapes you? (https://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/computer-14.gif)
I guess basic mathematics escapes you? :lol ;)
I guess basic humour escapes you ? :angry: :P :biggrin: ;)
I guess basic programming escapes you? (https://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/computer-14.gif)
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I guess basic mathematics escapes you? :lol ;)
I guess basic humour escapes you ? :angry: :P :biggrin: ;)
I guess basic programming escapes you? (https://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/computer-14.gif)
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What Slayer song is that the tab for?
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Edit: Back to topic - Though I sometimes "find your lack of base disturbing", I love AJfA. Does anyone else here think that with Death Magnetic they tried to go into that well once more? I like DM, but I can't help myself, it sounds to me like a somewhat forced attempt to connect with that one album specifically.
I guess basic mathematics escapes you? :lol ;)
I guess basic humour escapes you ? :angry: :P :biggrin: ;)
I guess basic programming escapes you? (https://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/computer-14.gif)
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What Slayer song is that the tab for?
2!
Edit: Back to topic - Though I sometimes "find your lack of base disturbing", I love AJfA. Does anyone else here think that with Death Magnetic they tried to go into that well once more? I like DM, but I can't help myself, it sounds to me like a somewhat forced attempt to connect with that one album specifically.
NUGGETZ
What Slayer song is that the tab for?
All of them
^ The Correct Answer.
I have the classic albums special on DVD for The Black Album, which is a good watch. You hear the demos at different tempos with gibberish words from James.
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Edit: Back to topic - Though I sometimes "find your lack of base disturbing", I love AJfA. Does anyone else here think that with Death Magnetic they tried to go into that well once more? I like DM, but I can't help myself, it sounds to me like a somewhat forced attempt to connect with that one album specifically.
NUGGETZ
:rollin
What Slayer song is that the tab for?
All of them^ The Correct Answer.
I think the sameyness of Slayer is a bit overstated. Sure, they've had some song clones, but can anyone honestly say Dead Skin Mask is identical to War Ensemble, Americon or Disciple? I know it's for comedic effect, but there are other bands that are just as repetitive and seem to not get the same treatment.
I'm expecting Death Magnetic II but with better audio and hopefully some vocal harmonies.
I'm just glad it's not Rick Rubin this time, as I think he's very overrated.Definitely. I actually have a modicum of hope that the sound won't be complete and utter shite this time. Fingers crossed! :lol
It says Fidelman guy was engineer/mixer on DM. I've heard some people say the mix was wonked before it got to the mastering stage, so I don't know.Everything Rick Rubin produces is compressed heavily, he is the constant. If Death Magnetic was overly compressed at the mixing stage, I'd have no doubt that it was at Rubin's instruction.
I just hope whomever is producing has the balls to say "No Kirk (or Lars), do that better."
I remember one time when my mom came into my room when I was like 9 and looked at my copy of Load and said something like "oh neat, its a lava lamp" referring to the cover.
I looked her dead in the eye and said "yeah, definitely..."
So apparently there's going to be a Metallica/A7X show in Minneapolis in August. Looks like we're going.Cool, that must cost a shitload of money though :lol Never seen Metallica live, and I have no idea what they're like these days anyway on stage. A7X put up a great show though, even if you're not really into their music it should be enjoyable.
So apparently there's going to be a Metallica/A7X show in Minneapolis in August. Looks like we're going.
So apparently there's going to be a Metallica/A7X show in Minneapolis in August. Looks like we're going.
That would be a fun concert
It will be at US Bank Stadium, the new Vikings stadium, which is still under construction. Tickets go on sale next Friday and they're gonna go fast, as they're the second show playing there, the first being Luke Bryan the night before.
Well, it's a LOOOONG way for us to go also, and we're most certainly going to fly. It's August 20th and jr. starts school on the 22nd. He wants to see Metallica pretty badly. And he'd be happy to see A7X again. So we'll make a trip of it, go to Mall of America, see some other things, etc.
Which is funny, because I'd rather spend a week at the beach. :lol
So apparently there's going to be a Metallica/A7X show in Minneapolis in August. Looks like we're going.
That would be a fun concert
So apparently there's going to be a Metallica/A7X show in Minneapolis in August. Looks like we're going.
That would be a fun concert
Metallica playing Master of Puppets in full for the 30th anniversary and Avenged Sevenfold playing The Black Album in full..
or Hail To The King as they call it.
I remember one time when my mom came into my room when I was like 9 and looked at my copy of Load and said something like "oh neat, its a lava lamp" referring to the cover.
I looked her dead in the eye and said "yeah, definitely..."
Just be glad she didn't ask "what does a lava lamp have to do with Load?" :lol
Well, it's a LOOOONG way for us to go also, and we're most certainly going to fly. It's August 20th and jr. starts school on the 22nd. He wants to see Metallica pretty badly. And he'd be happy to see A7X again. So we'll make a trip of it, go to Mall of America, see some other things, etc.
So far these are just remasters, so nothing like that will be affected. With the exception of AJFA, I don't think they should touch the mixes, because it's how those albums were intended to originally sound.
It will be interesting to hear a remaster of TBA, because I can't imagine they can improve on it.
So far these are just remasters, so nothing like that will be affected. With the exception of AJFA, I don't think they should touch the mixes, because it's how those albums were intended to originally sound.
It will be interesting to hear a remaster of TBA, because I can't imagine they can improve on it.
21st Century "remaster" = turn up the volume and treble. ::)
I'd never call the sound of an album with Dimebag's guitar tone "good". :lol
I'd never call the sound of an album with Dimebag's guitar tone "good". :lol
I'd never call the sound of an album with Dimebag's guitar tone "good". :lolAgreed, but for some reason there are some young metal guitarists that seek that tone. Way too much high-end.
All bass and treble. Zero mids. Really digital gain. Awful.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/25/pc-zealots-seek-and-destroy-lars-ulrich-at-uc-berkeley.html (https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/25/pc-zealots-seek-and-destroy-lars-ulrich-at-uc-berkeley.html)I had read what they had to say about it at Metallica.com, and it seems that The Daily Beast wants to make far more of it than Lars or the others. Honestly, it looked like 3 knuckleheads out of presumably a whole lot more that were actually protesting outside. But hey, any opportunity to rail against PC thuggery and violence.
This pisses me off so much. The first amendment only matters if you agree with it it seems.
Here's my controversial Metallica opinion: Metallica hasn't released an album with consistenly good solos since Ride the Lightning. Even then, RtL has a few missteps, like in Call of Ktulu.
Master of Puppets was a huge step backwards in terms of solos; the only ones I like are James's solo in the title track, all but the main solo in Welcome Home (not-so-coincidentally my favorite track on the album), and the solos in Despicable Heroes and Orion. The remaining solos are all awful, and single-handedly turn what could have been their best album into one that is merely ok. AJFA was a step in the right direction, but the faster solos are still subpar. And don't get me started on Death Magnetic. I would rather have another album with no leads than another DM.
Here's my controversial Metallica opinion: Metallica hasn't released an album with consistenly good solos since Ride the Lightning. Even then, RtL has a few missteps, like in Call of Ktulu.
I don't think Kirk has one great solo on Death Magnetic.
Honestly, I would be totally fine with Metallica writing an album of quality music without any guitar solos. That doesn't even register with me when thinking of "what is wrong with St. Anger?"
The Black Album without solos would still be a good album, and St. Anger with solos would still be a bad album.
Yeah, I got what you were referring to, I just wanted to comment on the complaint about SA lacking solos. The complaint from other people, I totally get why Kirk would complain about that.
Oh, no doubt that his good solos add to songs like Unforgiven or Fade to Black. Kirk's good solos definitely add to their songs. When he's good, he can be quite good. When he's off or apathetic, though...
St. Anger was "like meshuggah"
Metallica released the remastered version of Creeping Death. I haven't done a direct comparison as I did with The Four Horsemen, but again it doesn't sound too different to my ears.
https://soundcloud.com/officialmetallica/creeping-death-remastered
Metallica released the remastered version of Creeping Death. I haven't done a direct comparison as I did with The Four Horsemen, but again it doesn't sound too different to my ears.
https://soundcloud.com/officialmetallica/creeping-death-remastered
... just sounds louder.
In watching the Making Magnetic stuff it seems like Lars had a big influence on the solos, here's a crazy thought, maybe have James sit in the room as well? You know, like an actual guitar player with actual feel for the instrument? Or, even crazier still, maybe have a proper producer (cough, cough, Bob Rock) that would be willing to push Kirk to create some better stuff.
In watching the Making Magnetic stuff it seems like Lars had a big influence on the solos, here's a crazy thought, maybe have James sit in the room as well? You know, like an actual guitar player with actual feel for the instrument? Or, even crazier still, maybe have a proper producer (cough, cough, Bob Rock) that would be willing to push Kirk to create some better stuff.
I remember when in a Classic Albums episode on TBA, Bob Rock kept making Kirk do takes of the 'Unforgiven' solo. It took a while, but the final take was a really great solo. The guy is good when he's pushed, he just rests on his laurels too much.
MoP was one of the first albums I ever started learning to play on the guitar, so for me, the solos on it are quite memorable and cool. I always especially liked the solo on Leper Messiah, with the arpeggios in the beginning.
I don't think Kirk has one great solo on Death Magnetic.
but it's a step backwards
A step backwards creatively.
St Anger may have been like WTF? But at least it was nothing like they'd done before.
Death Magnetic felt like an attempt to revisit former glories.
Honestly, I think the interesting thing about DM is that it's a more mature look at their sound circa AJFA. Mature being a relative term, but still. I think it's certainly more creative than SA, because it is creative in the sense that they created good songs, while SA is creative in the Yoko Ono sense in which they did some weird stuff that made it nearly unlistenable. To me, creativity is not about novelty, it's about making good art. That can include novelty, but it doesn't necessarily need to. SA is novel and really bad. DM is not novel at all, but it's good (top 3 Metallica for me behind RTL and AJFA). So for me, the goodness of DM far outweighs its lack of novelty.
A step backwards creatively.
St Anger may have been like WTF? But at least it was nothing like they'd done before.
Death Magnetic felt like an attempt to revisit former glories.
To me, creativity is not about novelty, it's about making good art. That can include novelty, but it doesn't necessarily need to.
And I especially love that remake of St Anger that those guys did. I think it really shows how those songs shine when they are recorded a bit better. (I only wish they hadn't edited down the tracks so much)
Here's my controversial Metallica opinion: Metallica hasn't released an album with consistenly good solos since Ride the Lightning. Even then, RtL has a few missteps, like in Call of Ktulu.
Master of Puppets was a huge step backwards in terms of solos; the only ones I like are James's solo in the title track, all but the main solo in Welcome Home (not-so-coincidentally my favorite track on the album), and the solos in Despicable Heroes and Orion. The remaining solos are all awful, and single-handedly turn what could have been their best album into one that is merely ok. AJFA was a step in the right direction, but the faster solos are still subpar. And don't get me started on Death Magnetic. I would rather have another album with no leads than another DM.
Kirk's solos on TBA are fantastic.
I find Kirk's solos to be of very similar quality up to and including TBA. He was never a great guitarist, but all of those solos were strong. There are still some great solos on Load/Reload too, but he was more out of his element in that style, and he has thoroughly sucked wang since then. DM is a trainwreck as far as the solos go, drumming too.
And Hetfield is easily the best guitarist in the band. His melodic lead sections were the best.
I find Kirk's solos to be of very similar quality up to and including TBA. He was never a great guitarist, but all of those solos were strong. There are still some great solos on Load/Reload too, but he was more out of his element in that style, and he has thoroughly sucked wang since then. DM is a trainwreck as far as the solos go, drumming too.
And Hetfield is easily the best guitarist in the band. His melodic lead sections were the best.
In terms of overall talent it goes -
1. Hetfield. Can play drums, bass, guitar and piano. Can also sing. Less so live but easily the best vocalist of the Big 4.
2. Rob Trujillo. Can play guitar and bass. Not a great vocalist but good at gang vocals.
3. Lars Ulrich. Yes he is easily better at live drumming than Kirk is at live lead guitar. Controversial but Kirk never nails a solo live. Never. Lars is WAY better now than he was in 2004. Has done vocals
in the past. Decent voice. Lars had admitted to practicing a lot more than he used to. I think it shows. He's not perfect but has improved since 2006 or so.
4. Kirk. Rhythm Ok. Awful lead playing. Tone deaf singer. Although surprisingly good at gang vocals. Probably had tips from Hetfield.
That's funny Brent. You are definitely not the first person to put Belladonna and Perry in the same sentence. They've been saying that for ages. But I have seriously never listened to Belladonna and have ever thought of Steve Perry. Ever!
I wish someone would deprive Kirk of all wah pedals. Never gonna happen though.
To me, creativity is not about novelty, it's about making good art. That can include novelty, but it doesn't necessarily need to.
That's an interesting way of looking at it, though I'm not sure I can agree with it. I suppose it just comes down to how you define the word 'create', so maybe this is just a pointless semantic disagreement, but I tend to think that creativity has more to do with originality than quality.
Look beyond art for a moment and think about creativity in a wider scope. Think about math, for instance. In mathematics, efficient problem-solving might involve using a calculator or applying a formula. Creative problem-solving, on the other hand, is when you don't have a calculator and you don't know the formula, so you have to figure it out on your own. And it might not go well. Maybe you will end up with the wrong answer. Or maybe you'll get the answer right, but your method will involve ten times as many steps as the most efficient formula. In that case, the formula is probably a much better way of solving the problem. But there's nothing creative about that neat little formula. The piece of scratch paper with bizarre combinations of numbers and symbols frantically scribbled all over it? That's creative.
4. Kirk. Rhythm Ok. Awful lead playing. Tone deaf singer. Although surprisingly good at gang vocals. Probably had tips from Hetfield.
James played all rhythm on Kill Ride Master Justice Black and Death Magnetic.
Fun Fact : since Het also played the solo on Nothing Else Matters - Kirk didn't actually record guitar on that song.
My fave thing on that track is " Bass Solo Take 1 ". . . .. :rollin.
As if it was the one and only take. Nobody thought to go " shall we do another to see if it's any better ? "
It just smacks of 18 year olds in the studio going " lets just say *take 1* and it'll make Cliff sound extra amazing ".
It's impressive, but awful IMO. I don't think it should've been on the album.
James played all rhythm on Kill Ride Master Justice Black and Death Magnetic.
Fun Fact : since Het also played the solo on Nothing Else Matters - Kirk didn't actually record guitar on that song.
James played all rhythm on Kill Ride Master Justice Black and Death Magnetic.
Fun Fact : since Het also played the solo on Nothing Else Matters - Kirk didn't actually record guitar on that song.
That's what I thought. I mean, I know Hetfield is a better rhythm guitarist than most people, but I think it still says something that they didn't even bother having Kirk play rhythm parts on the albums that he would end up playing live anyway. Seems like at best Kirk doesn't care deeply about his rhythm playing and at worst they (James and Lars) think that him playing the rhythm parts would be detrimental to the quality of the final studio product.
It's impressive, but awful IMO. I don't think it should've been on the album.
This. Anesthesia is the only 80s Metallica track I skip every single time.
James played all rhythm on Kill Ride Master Justice Black and Death Magnetic.
Fun Fact : since Het also played the solo on Nothing Else Matters - Kirk didn't actually record guitar on that song.
That's what I thought. I mean, I know Hetfield is a better rhythm guitarist than most people, but I think it still says something that they didn't even bother having Kirk play rhythm parts on the albums that he would end up playing live anyway. Seems like at best Kirk doesn't care deeply about his rhythm playing and at worst they (James and Lars) think that him playing the rhythm parts would be detrimental to the quality of the final studio product.
It's just easier to have one guy do it, especially if he wrote most of it anyway. A guitar player as good as James can double or triple his parts much more tightly and faster than having Kirk come in and try to do it.
Yeah, different bands record guitars in different ways depending on the sound they are going for. For that run of "classic" Metallica albums, Het wanted a wall of super tight rhythm guitars. So the best option was for him to just layer himself playing those parts multiple times, it helps that Het is incredibly tight and accurate as a rhythm player.
In contrast, the Loads were about chasing down a different sound, a looser, more hard rock sound. Having a wall of super-precise heavy guitar was not a requirement, so Kirk played rhythm along with Het, sometimes matching his part, sometimes not matching.
I'll readily admit to having no idea how music production works. But would I be off-base in saying that a lot of bands don't do this? To use an obviously comparable band to Metallica, Dave Mustaine writes a lot of the material in Megadeth, but I don't think he plays the second guitarist's rhythm parts in the studio? Or maybe he does and I'm just completely clueless—as I said, I'll readily admit to having no idea what I'm talking about.
One band I don't know about, but would love to, is AC/DC. I'd be curious if Mal does all the rhythm on record.
Zook where did you find it for $5.99?
Metallica are streaming an in-store tonight for Record Store Day.I'm watching now. A friend of mine is there, actually. I wish Kirk could still play.
I guarantee only staples and not even a hint of anything new.
Even though Lars has said the album is close to completion and "should be done this spring".
I've spent so much fucking money at that store, I should've been given a front row seat.
Place is hella sweet actually, they have a massive metal section, divided up into sub-genres. And yes, they even have a prog metal section.
Why do people always include Kill Em All with " The classic " albums ?
It's got good tracks but it's nowhere near as consistent as Ride or Master.
Conversely people always leave out The Black Album when it's just as good as the first 4 albums. If not better ( Kill Em All definitely ).
*snip*
I'll readily admit to having no idea how music production works. But would I be off-base in saying that a lot of bands don't do this? To use an obviously comparable band to Metallica, Dave Mustaine writes a lot of the material in Megadeth, but I don't think he plays the second guitarist's rhythm parts in the studio? Or maybe he does and I'm just completely clueless—as I said, I'll readily admit to having no idea what I'm talking about.
*snip*
I'll readily admit to having no idea how music production works. But would I be off-base in saying that a lot of bands don't do this? To use an obviously comparable band to Metallica, Dave Mustaine writes a lot of the material in Megadeth, but I don't think he plays the second guitarist's rhythm parts in the studio? Or maybe he does and I'm just completely clueless—as I said, I'll readily admit to having no idea what I'm talking about.
I think Mustaine does the same thing, playing all the rhythm parts. And I think for both Het and Mustaine, it's an ego thing. They both know they can't play lead as good as their second guitarists, so they put a lot of stake into being 'awesome tight rhythm guitarists' as though it has the same level of merit as being able to play lead like Marty Friedman or 80s Kirk.
The rhythm guitars in the verses of Enter Sandman are tracked twelve times
Why do people always include Kill Em All with " The classic " albums ?
It's got good tracks but it's nowhere near as consistent as Ride or Master.
Conversely people always leave out The Black Album when it's just as good as the first 4 albums. If not better ( Kill Em All definitely ).
*snip*
I'll readily admit to having no idea how music production works. But would I be off-base in saying that a lot of bands don't do this? To use an obviously comparable band to Metallica, Dave Mustaine writes a lot of the material in Megadeth, but I don't think he plays the second guitarist's rhythm parts in the studio? Or maybe he does and I'm just completely clueless—as I said, I'll readily admit to having no idea what I'm talking about.
I think Mustaine does the same thing, playing all the rhythm parts. And I think for both Het and Mustaine, it's an ego thing. They both know they can't play lead as good as their second guitarists, so they put a lot of stake into being 'awesome tight rhythm guitarists' as though it has the same level of merit as being able to play lead like Marty Friedman or 80s Kirk.
At this point in time, James is miles ahead of Kirk as a guitar player. He always recorded the rhythm parts because nobody in metal is better at it. The rhythm guitars in the verses of Enter Sandman are tracked twelve times but it sounds like one really heavy guitar because his rhythm playing is so tight that he can play the songs consistently every time. Why have someone due something that you can do a million times better? Him playing all rhythm parts simply makes the songs sound better on the record.
I checked few songs off that performance on Record store day and James sounds terrific. He hit some really high notes there.
*snip*
I'll readily admit to having no idea how music production works. But would I be off-base in saying that a lot of bands don't do this? To use an obviously comparable band to Metallica, Dave Mustaine writes a lot of the material in Megadeth, but I don't think he plays the second guitarist's rhythm parts in the studio? Or maybe he does and I'm just completely clueless—as I said, I'll readily admit to having no idea what I'm talking about.
I think Mustaine does the same thing, playing all the rhythm parts. And I think for both Het and Mustaine, it's an ego thing. They both know they can't play lead as good as their second guitarists, so they put a lot of stake into being 'awesome tight rhythm guitarists' as though it has the same level of merit as being able to play lead like Marty Friedman or 80s Kirk.
At this point in time, James is miles ahead of Kirk as a guitar player. He always recorded the rhythm parts because nobody in metal is better at it. The rhythm guitars in the verses of Enter Sandman are tracked twelve times but it sounds like one really heavy guitar because his rhythm playing is so tight that he can play the songs consistently every time. Why have someone due something that you can do a million times better? Him playing all rhythm parts simply makes the songs sound better on the record.
Yep, totally agree. I'm just pointing out the idea that for those guys, they put a lot of stock into their rhythm guitar playing - and I think a lot of it has to do with their perceived 'shred' deficit. At least in the early days. I think they're both way more comfortable with their respective roles now.
Are they really tracked twelve times? I seem to remember an interview with James where he says the AJFA recording taught them that "recording a rhythm part twelve (or so) times doesn't make it heavier".
Why do people always include Kill Em All with " The classic " albums ?
It's got good tracks but it's nowhere near as consistent as Ride or Master.
Conversely people always leave out The Black Album when it's just as good as the first 4 albums. If not better ( Kill Em All definitely ).
Are you fan of old school thrash?Why do people always include Kill Em All with " The classic " albums ?
It's got good tracks but it's nowhere near as consistent as Ride or Master.
Conversely people always leave out The Black Album when it's just as good as the first 4 albums. If not better ( Kill Em All definitely ).
Agreed 100%. I don't particularly care much for KEA. Maybe it's just that it's such an immature album lyrically, but I almost never listen to it. Musically it's decent, but RTL was an impressive step up IMO. And The Black Album is definitely superior to KEA. As is DM. And Load probably is, too.
I never heard twelve actual guitar tracks (meaning James played the same part twelve times and over dubbed each track on top of one another), on the classic album behind the scenes thing, James talks about how he layered three guitar tracks for the heavy rhythm, left, right, and the thickener.
I assume because it has a good amount of classic songs.
Seek and Destroy
The Four Horsemen
Whiplash
And to a lesser extent
Motorbreath
Jump in the Fire
No Remorse
That's at least three classic songs and often live staples.
Are you fan of old school thrash?Why do people always include Kill Em All with " The classic " albums ?
It's got good tracks but it's nowhere near as consistent as Ride or Master.
Conversely people always leave out The Black Album when it's just as good as the first 4 albums. If not better ( Kill Em All definitely ).
Agreed 100%. I don't particularly care much for KEA. Maybe it's just that it's such an immature album lyrically, but I almost never listen to it. Musically it's decent, but RTL was an impressive step up IMO. And The Black Album is definitely superior to KEA. As is DM. And Load probably is, too.
I assume because it has a good amount of classic songs.
Seek and Destroy
The Four Horsemen
Whiplash
And to a lesser extent
Motorbreath
Jump in the Fire
No Remorse
That's at least three classic songs and often live staples.
Don't forget Hit the Lights. The only real "deep cuts" on the album that they never really play are (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth and Metal Militia.
I assume because it has a good amount of classic songs.
Seek and Destroy
The Four Horsemen
Whiplash
And to a lesser extent
Motorbreath
Jump in the Fire
No Remorse
That's at least three classic songs and often live staples.
And that's fair enough, but I think most of those songs fall short of a majority of the songs on The Black Album and the better half of the songs on Load. I think The Four Horsemen is the only song on KEA that would compete with my top three or four on The Black Album, and it would not compete with my top three or four on Load (I like The Black Album better than Load, but I like my favorites on Load more than my favorites on The Black Album—I think Load could have been a really good 60 minute album and instead it's a pretty good 80 minute album).
Yeah. I thought Lars was decent, James was very good, Kirk was shite and Robert was good as always.
They've definitely improved since around DM, except Kirk. I don't think he knows any scales or understands rhythm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iVOnNmVItc
Ride the Lightning from Record Store Day. Lars is SOLID. He's clearly doing *something* right.
I assume because it has a good amount of classic songs.
Seek and Destroy
The Four Horsemen
Whiplash
And to a lesser extent
Motorbreath
Jump in the Fire
No Remorse
That's at least three classic songs and often live staples.
And that's fair enough, but I think most of those songs fall short of a majority of the songs on The Black Album and the better half of the songs on Load. I think The Four Horsemen is the only song on KEA that would compete with my top three or four on The Black Album, and it would not compete with my top three or four on Load (I like The Black Album better than Load, but I like my favorites on Load more than my favorites on The Black Album—I think Load could have been a really good 60 minute album and instead it's a pretty good 80 minute album).
That's cool. Preferences and all. I was just answering why most fans throw KEA into the bin of classics.
Not by a long way. The bass solo track alone removes it from that category.
Only in music discussion areas as finnicky as DTF will you hear anything negative about it. That solo is universally revered in my own real life experiences talking to metal fans.Agreed. Cliff really brought in a new level of bass playing and composition to metal back then. It's easy to look back these days and say: 'meh...it isn't that good', but to understand something in all ways possible one needs to look back to when that was created.
Only in music discussion areas as finnicky as DTF will you hear anything negative about it. That solo is universally revered in my own real life experiences talking to metal fans.
I've defended (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth on these forums on many occasions. It's actually a well composed piece for being mostly improvised. There is a certain progressive aspect to it where the listener (at least me anyway) can hear melodic ideas passing by. You have the slow first section, which shows Cliff's sense of melody and his theory training, using various chord changes and time changes while still maintaining musical flow. Then comes the fast middle section, which shows Cliff's technical ability, using techniques that most bassists simply don't use. Cliff knew his way around the fretboard better than any bassist in metal at the time and could play circles around quite a few metal guitarists including the lead player in the very band he was a part of and he showed off his immense ability in the middle section of the solo. The last part shows Cliff's experimental side, using fingernail scrapes and hitting the strings into the pickups to make a wall of noise that keeps building until it segues into Whiplash. He shows off all three sides of his playing in one piece that's pretty brilliant when you sit back and analyze it. He was a master and this is his crowning achievement.That is....literally...the best description I have ever seen of that song.
Pulling Teeth is amazing, at least better than half the stuff on the album IMO, agreed with basically everything the count said.:rollin
Pulling Teeth is amazing, at least better than half the stuff on the album IMO.:rollin
(that's joke, right)
3. (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth
1. The Four Horsemen
2. The rest
10. (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth
In all seriousness, I don't know what my ranking is for this album and probably won't know until I do a relisten for the roulette. I know that The Four Horsemen is definitely my favorite, and that I like Jump in the Fire and Phantom Lord a fair bit, so those would probably be the next couple. I don't know though. I don't really love this one.
I've always been partial to Hit the Lights as far as KEA songs outside the big 2 from that album (Four Horsemen and Seek and Destroy).
Haven't listened to Kill Em All enough to rank the tracks but The Four Horsemen is my favourite from it. Just minus the Sweet Home Alabama section :p
I've always been partial to Hit the Lights as far as KEA songs outside the big 2 from that album (Four Horsemen and Seek and Destroy).
I've always been partial to Hit the Lights as far as KEA songs outside the big 2 from that album (Four Horsemen and Seek and Destroy).
This being a prog forum, it's very common for the slowest least-thrashy songs to be the most popular. In particular I find S&D very overrated, I like the nice heavy ending but the verses and choruses are boring and drag.
They probably cut sections because Kirk/Lars can't play them.
They probably cut sections because Kirk/Lars can't play them.
I think Lars could currently play any section - maybe not exactly as it was on the album but he could simplify it . He's not *that* bad.
Kirk can barely play *any* solo.
They probably cut sections because Kirk/Lars can't play them.
I think Lars could currently play any section - maybe not exactly as it was on the album but he could simplify it . He's not *that* bad.
Kirk can barely play *any* solo.
He has played it recently. He doesn't do the 16th note double bass in the verse but he can play it.
Simplifying them but staying in tempo is better than being all over the fucking shop like Kirk is.
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...I find it more likely that he just hasn't seriously practiced in possibly decades.
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...I find it more likely that he just hasn't seriously practiced in possibly decades.
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...I find it more likely that he just hasn't seriously practiced in possibly decades.
Imagine getting a super high paying job and then realizing after a while that you no longer have to try. You can't get fired. You can't get demoted. Your job is 100% secure, no matter how you perform. Wouldn't you just stop caring and phone it in? Especially since your job is just to recreate (mostly) what other people told you to do?
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...I find it more likely that he just hasn't seriously practiced in possibly decades.
Imagine getting a super high paying job and then realizing after a while that you no longer have to try. You can't get fired. You can't get demoted. Your job is 100% secure, no matter how you perform. Wouldn't you just stop caring and phone it in? Especially since your job is just to recreate (mostly) what other people told you to do?
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...I find it more likely that he just hasn't seriously practiced in possibly decades.
Imagine getting a super high paying job and then realizing after a while that you no longer have to try. You can't get fired. You can't get demoted. Your job is 100% secure, no matter how you perform. Wouldn't you just stop caring and phone it in? Especially since your job is just to recreate (mostly) what other people told you to do?
Personally if it was me, no freaking way I would phone it in, that's not how I'm wired. Everyone's different though...
Which is probably why a guy like James isn't phoning it in, but it's also his music. It's not Kirk's music.
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...I find it more likely that he just hasn't seriously practiced in possibly decades.
Imagine getting a super high paying job and then realizing after a while that you no longer have to try. You can't get fired. You can't get demoted. Your job is 100% secure, no matter how you perform. Wouldn't you just stop caring and phone it in? Especially since your job is just to recreate (mostly) what other people told you to do?
Add to that the concept that intellectually you have moved on to another job in your head (meaning, Kirk is at this point possibly more interested in other music forms, not the form he has been playing in some form or another for the last 35 years).
Makes me wonder if Kirk has arthritis or something...I find it more likely that he just hasn't seriously practiced in possibly decades.
Imagine getting a super high paying job and then realizing after a while that you no longer have to try. You can't get fired. You can't get demoted. Your job is 100% secure, no matter how you perform. Wouldn't you just stop caring and phone it in? Especially since your job is just to recreate (mostly) what other people told you to do?
Add to that the concept that intellectually you have moved on to another job in your head (meaning, Kirk is at this point possibly more interested in other music forms, not the form he has been playing in some form or another for the last 35 years).
This is another good point. I've heard him do some bluesy stuff recently and his playing sounded great and fresh. He's probably just burnt out from playing metal for his entire career going all the way back to his days in Exodus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfVNWcLG15M
James singing MotorBreath acoustic. :)
I keep saying it but Lars now is better at his instrument than Kirk.I'd find it a tough call. Clearly neither of them give a shit anymore. You check out one of their last shows and it's hard to tell what song Lars is even trying to play. Adami mentioned earlier that Lars simplifies things down to the point of nothingness, and that's on display here. Any time he tries to use the kick drums he falls apart, so he mostly just ignores them (which actually helps).
Listen to the entire Record Store day from Rasputin. Lars is SOLID bar Hit The Lights.
Kirk is all over the place.
Is that acoustic show recording available (not fan shot)?
Viewer discretion is advised:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXrRGKKharQ#
Viewer discretion is advised:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXrRGKKharQ#
Kirk is absolutely awful there. He doesn't nail a single thing.
But what must be said is: there aren't three guys in metal cooler than James Hetfield. Bruce Dickinson may still be the standard for metal frontmen, but I'm not sure I can name a better guitar player/lead singer at this point. I've never seen Metallica live (and resist because I'm not a stadium show guy) but if I do go, it will be to see him. Period.
I'm watching the '89 show from Live Shit.
So fucking good. I've grown to respect Jason a lot more in the last year or so. Great showmanship. So Metal. Much bass .
I'm watching the '89 show from Live Shit.
So fucking good. I've grown to respect Jason a lot more in the last year or so. Great showmanship. So Metal. Much bass .
I'm watching the '89 show from Live Shit.
So fucking good. I've grown to respect Jason a lot more in the last year or so. Great showmanship. So Metal. Much bass .
Love that show, so badass. Miss Jason mucho
Is that the same dog you were having the clam bake date with?
Now I am on to Cunning Stunts.
The lack of hair is disturbing.Is that the same dog you were having the clam bake date with?
Yea. Haha
Now I am on to Cunning Stunts.
The lack of hair is disturbing.Is that the same dog you were having the clam bake date with?
Yea. Haha
I hate Cunning Stunts. This was the point when they weren't really playing their old stuff. Hell, even Master of Puppets was only being played up to the end of the second chorus.
Now I am on to Cunning Stunts.
The lack of hair is disturbing.Is that the same dog you were having the clam bake date with?
Yea. Haha
I hate Cunning Stunts. This was the point when they weren't really playing their old stuff. Hell, even Master of Puppets was only being played up to the end of the second chorus.
I noticed that. I skipped around to a few specific songs... Then gave up.
Live Shit is soooo good. Might have to rewatch it myself...
Live Shit is soooo good. Might have to rewatch it myself...
89 is great but IMO you can already see a sharp drop in quality by 92. Huge sections of the show taken up by slow, plodding, unexciting songs; crowd "singalongs", etc.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/finally_new_metallica_album_apparently_recorded_band_now_in_mixing_stage.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/finally_new_metallica_album_apparently_recorded_band_now_in_mixing_stage.html)
Metallica 10 may actually be happening. I hope it's good.
Yeah the Metallica forum has been talking about this for a week or so. Looks like the mixing stage is upon us, and I think Lars said in the month of June they will sit down and pick final songs, titles, album title etc... So it seems like a fall 2016 release is likely.
Kotowboy posts over on the Metallica forum a good bit, he could probably share more info if there is more, but I think that's about it.
If you had asked even 15 years ago whether it's possible to be not at all excited for a new Metallica album, I'd say no way. I don't think I've ever seen a band work so hard to quell interest.
That's definitely true. I don't know why they'd make a new album if they didn't want to, though, given that they can tour on the KEA-TBA material until the end of time if they want.
Honestly, I'm not too excited about a new album, but even if they continue with the caliber of songs on DM and actually put out a good sounding record with good production, I'll enjoy it.
My love for what Het does both on guitar and vocally will allow me to enjoy it to a degree. To this day, I still think it's a shame Het wasn't able to surround himself with other great musicians, think of what he could have done with truly great players.
Rubin is producing again right? That pretty much guarantees that it will sound like shit.
There's loads of studio pics from the band and Rick is not in any of them.
Also - Kirk confirmed recently that Greg is the producer.
The people who aren't excited about it are the people who will probably enjoy it the most hahaha
If we had to sit there and, 'Okay, boys, now you write for the rest of the year and then you spend the next year after that recording' — I would pull what seven hairs I have left, I'd pull those out and rather just stab myself in the eye with nails or whatever.
The Un4given: Scenes From a Drudgery
QuoteIf we had to sit there and, 'Okay, boys, now you write for the rest of the year and then you spend the next year after that recording' — I would pull what seven hairs I have left, I'd pull those out and rather just stab myself in the eye with nails or whatever.
From Lars Ulrich. Super stoked!
QuoteIf we had to sit there and, 'Okay, boys, now you write for the rest of the year and then you spend the next year after that recording' — I would pull what seven hairs I have left, I'd pull those out and rather just stab myself in the eye with nails or whatever.
From Lars Ulrich. Super stoked!
He's just saying they don't want to sit in the studio for 2 years to force out an album.
Taking regular breaks keeps it fresh.
But the Black Album was 9 months of tracking. So .... . . .
Metallica don't care about hyping because they know regardless of how good the album is, it'll still sell a million copies in the first week.
QuoteIf we had to sit there and, 'Okay, boys, now you write for the rest of the year and then you spend the next year after that recording' — I would pull what seven hairs I have left, I'd pull those out and rather just stab myself in the eye with nails or whatever.
From Lars Ulrich. Super stoked!
He's just saying they don't want to sit in the studio for 2 years to force out an album.
Taking regular breaks keeps it fresh.
Oh come on. I think, given the obvious context of their recent career, that you can't break down what he said into that.
He's also implying it takes them an entire year to write an album and then another entire year to record one. Most bands can do all of that in a year or less.
Surely they'd have to be completely oblivious to release another album that sounds that awful given DM's reputation.Except Rubin has been producing albums that are compressed so much that they distort for about 20 years now. He doesn't seem to give a shit about what anyone thinks of that.
There's loads of studio pics from the band and Rick is not in any of them.Well that doesn't mean anything, he is rarely with the band in the studio anyway even when he is the producer. :neverusethis:
Here's that full interview (https://mag.citizensofhumanity.com/blog/2016/06/16/lars-ulrich/). Actually pretty interesting beyond just the little hints of the new album. Possibly the most "real" interview I've seen/read with Lars.
Also confirms that Rubin is out and Fidelman is in. "So there’s some of the same production elements at play, but we’re expanding a little bit on the sonics."
That sounds promising.
That sounds promising.
Yes i'm really hoping for some downtuned, sludgy stompers like Devils Dance or some Reload weirdness like Carpe Diem baby or Where The Wild Things Are.
both of which are gold.
Metallica have got to be, from a songwriting standpoint, the laziest big band ever. Nine studio albums of original material in 34 years as recording artists, four of which were in the first six years. Two since 1997 (one of which is nearly universally acknowledged as a steaming pile of horse shit). Not that I blame them for milking the cash cow by touring as much as they do, but I can't imagine being a big fan and feeling constantly starved for new material.
Actually...That sounds promising.
Yes i'm really hoping for some downtuned, sludgy stompers like Devils Dance or some Reload weirdness like Carpe Diem baby or Where The Wild Things Are.
both of which are gold.
What? Nothing could be worse.
*snip* I can't imagine being a big fan and feeling constantly starved for new material.
Yep, one good album in the last 18 years sure is something else... :lol :lol
That sounds promising.
Yes i'm really hoping for some downtuned, sludgy stompers like Devils Dance or some Reload weirdness like Carpe Diem baby or Where The Wild Things Are.
both of which are gold.
It's contemptable IMO.
They never have to release another album for the rest of their lives, all of them are richer than God.
That sounds promising.
Yes i'm really hoping for some downtuned, sludgy stompers like Devils Dance or some Reload weirdness like Carpe Diem baby or Where The Wild Things Are.
both of which are gold.
What? Nothing could be worse.
Something closer to the vein of The Black Album would be good, so long as they don't try to copy it exactly in terms of style.
They can't write good long songs anymore. They just drag them out for the sake of it.Give me 45 minutes of 4-5 minute songs and I'd be happy. No need for filler.
A 60 - 75 minute album of 4 - 5 minute songs would be great.
I would love to have an album similar to AJFA. Their songwriting at that point was at its most progressive and they had some pretty intricate arrangements. Blackened, The Shortest Straw, Frayed Ends of Sanity, and the title track are among my favorite Metallica songs of all time and if we can get an album in the spirit of songs like that, I would be overjoyed.
Another DM would be great considering it is very much like their older stuff. I don't get why so many complain about the album, musically it is exactly what fans have been asking for. For the record, I am a fan of all Metallica.I was pleasantly surprised when it came out. If the audio production wasn't so bad, and if they had edited some of the songs down a little bit, I think it would be outstanding. Maybe not outstanding. But very good.
Another DM would be great considering it is very much like their older stuff. I don't get why so many complain about the album, musically it is exactly what fans have been asking for. For the record, I am a fan of all Metallica.
1. Awful, awful production
2. Pretty bad lyrics that don't have a ton of meaning or significance
3. Lars is seriously barely holding it together. The drumming is neither interesting nor good, it's sloppy and lazy as all hell.
4. Kirk's solos are just awful. Feels like he went in and improvised something quickly and left
5. No vocal harmonies?
6. Some good riffs, but also some truly boring riffs that just got repeated and repeated and repeated
7. Poor song structures
1. Awful, awful production
2. Pretty bad lyrics that don't have a ton of meaning or significance
3. Lars is seriously barely holding it together. The drumming is neither interesting nor good, it's sloppy and lazy as all hell.
4. Kirk's solos are just awful. Feels like he went in and improvised something quickly and left
5. No vocal harmonies?
6. Some good riffs, but also some truly boring riffs that just got repeated and repeated and repeated
7. Poor song structures
I can't argue with any of that. The funny thing is that most of that is easily fixable.
1. For a band of their standing, budget shouldn't be an issue, so a good sounding record with pristine production should be attainable.
2. There are some good lyrics and some not so good ones, this really just comes down to Het (and maybe a good producer to push him?).
3. I'd lump a lot of Lars' performance into the poor production category. There are times it sounds like he is losing the tempo and stuff might fall apart. Why wouldn't they clean that up and quantize those drum hits?!
4. Kirk needs a good producer to create good solos now a days. I firmly believe that, and I also firmly believe that Lars is not that person.
5. Het is clearly capable of great harmonies...Once again, where is the voice of a producer suggesting something more than one vocal track?
6. and 7. I would lump into have a better pre-production process...
Most of it is fixable...
Who says it needs fixing? Yeah there are people, like Margot Robbie, that we can all agree are smoking hot, but there are a millions of women that fall into the next category, that are attractive to some and not to all. I personally think that Kirstie Alley is gorgeous. A little heavy, and starting to look her age, but gorgeous. That doesn't mean that everyone must think she's gorgeous too.
I have to assume - absent some clear indication otherwise - that DM is produced and sounds exactly the way that James and Lars want it to.
^ Have you heard the iTunes Remaster of Death Magnetic ?
It's a lot clearer and you can make out a lot more detail. Check it out or PM me if you want to know where to find it i.e. my dropbox.
Or there's a lot of overdubs more akin to Reload and it's taking longer to mix than drums, bass, LR Rhythms, vocals and solos.
Has the possibility of a double album been denied? If not, I may consider that, especially to make up for the wait & all. How good that would be would be up for debate though.
Has the possibility of a double album been denied? If not, I may consider that, especially to make up for the wait & all. How good that would be would be up for debate though.
I think Load/Reload puts to rest any debate there. :lol I highly doubt they've recorded 20 classics.
I have to assume - absent some clear indication otherwise - that DM is produced and sounds exactly the way that James and Lars want it to.
^ Have you heard the iTunes Remaster of Death Magnetic ?
It's a lot clearer and you can make out a lot more detail. Check it out or PM me if you want to know where to find it i.e. my dropbox.
I haven't heard it yet. But I read over on the Metallica boards that its a big improvement sonically. Worth checking out?
This sounds interesting. I listen to one of the Guitar Hero versions, which is fine except it's the most bare-bones mix ever and lacks a certain degree of punch. I may grab this just before I listen to this album for the survivor. It's just on iTunes, right?
This sounds interesting. I listen to one of the Guitar Hero versions, which is fine except it's the most bare-bones mix ever and lacks a certain degree of punch. I may grab this just before I listen to this album for the survivor. It's just on iTunes, right?
Yeah its the Mastered for iTunes version, so it's only available on iTunes. I checked it out when Kotow suggested it... Its a pretty big improvement, I'd definitely recommend it.
That's probably for the best. Plus it would have been too weird if Iron Maiden, Dream Theater and Metallica all did double albums within the same 15 month period.
James has ruled out a double album saying they'd rather focus on a single album.
I have to assume - absent some clear indication otherwise - that DM is produced and sounds exactly the way that James and Lars want it to.
If this is true, then James and Lars are deaf. Seriously, Death Magnetic's production is awful. It is bad to the point where it actively distorts the music and can be painful to hear. I know you really don't like to say that something that a band did is wrong, rather than not to your preference or whatever, but there is a degree of objective quality in production and DM completely fails. If it's intentional, it's a terrible intentional decision (as it was on St. Anger). If it's not intentional, which seems to be the case from the fact that James and Lars seem to have no idea that there's a problem, it's because those two don't hear so well anymore, or weren't listening on good speakers.
There's room for debate and artist's creative decisions in production. For example, deciding between a "warm" production like DT or a "cold" production like Opeth. There isn't a right answer there and the artist's intentions are important. But the choice between "clipping the album to hell to the point where the audio distorts for no good reason" and "not doing that aforementioned terrible thing" isn't just a matter of opinion, it's a choice between doing things poorly and doing them well.
Also, the judgment of the band members is crap. I recall Lars saying not long ago that he still thinks Death Magnetic sounds incredible.
Who the fuck knows? Maybe that's Lars' way of being punk, or in the context of the 2010's, making up for the lack of dexterity by creating a sonic representation of being on the edge? Who knows? But to say "I find it unpleasant, therefore Lars must be deaf" is a ridiculous statement to me.
I hear what you're saying, I really do, except... I don't agree. You're still inserting a subjective standard - here, assuming that the clipping is both "for no good reason" and a "terrible thing". Is Yoko Ono's caterwauling "art" or "for no good reason" and a "terrible thing"? If you ask John, the former, if you ask Chuck Berry, the latter. Personally, I don't see why you would do that either, but then again, I don't see why you would scream/growl your lyrics like the cookie monster either. But people do, to express themselves.The fact that they eventually issued a remaster on iTunes is pretty good evidence that the horrendous over-compression wasn't an artistic choice. By contrast, the raw production on St Anger was intentional. I still don't like it, but that was what they were going for. But DM was not.
Who the fuck knows? Maybe that's Lars' way of being punk, or in the context of the 2010's, making up for the lack of dexterity by creating a sonic representation of being on the edge? Who knows? But to say "I find it unpleasant, therefore Lars must be deaf" is a ridiculous statement to me.
It's not about it being personally unpleasant to me. There is an objective standard, which is clarity of audio.
It's like if a famous director wound up shooting an entire film with a terrible camera that made the visuals very grainy throughout, hard to make out a lot of what's going on. I know you'd probably say "that's just their artistic choice" but for me, no. Objectively, that's bad filmmaking because it objectively makes it harder to see all what's going on in the film. That is exactly, exactly what Metallica did for DM. They probably didn't even intend it, but even if they did, like on SA it's still objectively bad production. Just like regardless of whether our filmmaker intentionally chose to use a terrible camera, or happened to use one by mistake. Either way, it's bad filmmaking. And DM is bad production.
It's not about it being personally unpleasant to me. There is an objective standard, which is clarity of audio.
Can you post the link? Because I missed that Directive.
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It's like if a famous director wound up shooting an entire film with a terrible camera that made the visuals very grainy throughout, hard to make out a lot of what's going on. I know you'd probably say "that's just their artistic choice" but for me, no. Objectively, that's bad filmmaking because it objectively makes it harder to see all what's going on in the film. That is exactly, exactly what Metallica did for DM. They probably didn't even intend it, but even if they did, like on SA it's still objectively bad production. Just like regardless of whether our filmmaker intentionally chose to use a terrible camera, or happened to use one by mistake. Either way, it's bad filmmaking. And DM is bad production.
Well, "Blair Witch Project". You just made my point for me; not sure what else I can say. You value clarity of visual and audio. THAT'S YOU. That's YOUR subjective standard. I don't personally care "how clear" it is or isn't, except when deciding if I like it or if I want to hear it again. But in terms of art, I don't care one way or another. The only objective standard is what the artist wants us to hear.
I hear what you're saying, I really do, except... I don't agree. You're still inserting a subjective standard - here, assuming that the clipping is both "for no good reason" and a "terrible thing". Is Yoko Ono's caterwauling "art" or "for no good reason" and a "terrible thing"? If you ask John, the former, if you ask Chuck Berry, the latter. Personally, I don't see why you would do that either, but then again, I don't see why you would scream/growl your lyrics like the cookie monster either. But people do, to express themselves.The fact that they eventually issued a remaster on iTunes is pretty good evidence that the horrendous over-compression wasn't an artistic choice. By contrast, the raw production on St Anger was intentional. I still don't like it, but that was what they were going for. But DM was not.
Who the fuck knows? Maybe that's Lars' way of being punk, or in the context of the 2010's, making up for the lack of dexterity by creating a sonic representation of being on the edge? Who knows? But to say "I find it unpleasant, therefore Lars must be deaf" is a ridiculous statement to me.
Other "production" choices such as song structures, etc., yeah I'm with you. But the over-compressed mastering, no.
Seems to be a lot of people confusing production and mastering in this thread.
Seems to be a lot of people confusing production and mastering in this thread.
It is my understanding, though I am certainly no expert, that mastering is a component of production.
Making artistic choices their whole lives does not make them immune from making catastrophically bad ones at times.
Typically, I agree with you about people who really don't know what they're talking about being very dismissive of the choices made by successful musicians. But I don't think you can say that the basement schlub is always wrong or that the famous musician is always right no matter what choices they make. In the case of the DM production, that's an obviously and objectively bad choice and anyone who points that out is right. In the case of the band choosing to use piano on The Unforgiven III, that's where the basement schlub can get off his high horse because that's a choice that it's hard or impossible to really say is objectively good or bad, and at that point the ability of Metallica to say what they want to say in their song reasserts itself.
Seems to be a lot of people confusing production and mastering in this thread.
It is my understanding, though I am certainly no expert, that mastering is a component of production.
You are correct, mastering is a part of the production process.
Seems to be a lot of people confusing production and mastering in this thread.
It is my understanding, though I am certainly no expert, that mastering is a component of production.
You are correct, mastering is a part of the production process.
I just find the notion that a band would dedicate 2 (or more) years of their life and spend sometimes over millions of dollars to produce new work that they have to now live with for the next two years of the touring cycle and then at the very last minute just have someone "ruin it entirely" to be implausible.
Seems to be a lot of people confusing production and mastering in this thread.
It is my understanding, though I am certainly no expert, that mastering is a component of production.
You are correct, mastering is a part of the production process.
But they are separate "activities" and are often (though not always) done by different people (meaning, the person that produces the album doesn't necessarily mix the album and both may be different from the guy that masters the album. Though the producer may be present at all three 'events'.
Yeah I assumed from context the conversation was about the production process of the record, not about the specific role of the producer. The production process of a record starts in pre-production and runs all the way through to physical production of the finished product. The producer isn't necessary there for all those steps, but they are still apart of the production process.
Yeah I assumed from context the conversation was about the production process of the record, not about the specific role of the producer. The production process of a record starts in pre-production and runs all the way through to physical production of the finished product. The producer isn't necessary there for all those steps, but they are still apart of the production process.
Right, and I was referring to the production process more so than the specific actions of the producer, Rick Rubin.
Production can be characterised as the recording of the music. Mastering is part of the post-production process. In the specific case of Death Magnetic being brickwalled, we're referring to mastering rather than production.
That aside, Death Magnetic does sound utterly dreadful although it is a smidge better than Baroness's Purple. That truly is the worst sounding record I've ever heard.
Using a cut between takes to sound like a transition is a brief effect and is totally different from producing such a brickwalled master that the sound audibly clips making it hard to even discern the notes that the guitar is playing. It's also different than distorting the soundwaves produced by the guitar to give it a certain sound.
Your whole line of reasoning is absurd. According to you, if Metallica recorded a bunch of static, and placed that static at the front of the mix for the entire album, so that all the music was covered start to finish with a layer of white noise, that would be equally as good as a crisp, clear recording with every instrument defined and audible. If they put out that album, and I said, "man, this production is terrible," you'd still be saying "but that's just your opinion! Their artistic choices are paramount! You can't say this is bad!"
And, per my refrigerator example, if a refrigerator manufacturer sold me a refrigerator that had only one temperature setting, and that setting froze all of my food solid, and I said, "man, this is a terrible refrigerator," you, according to the reasoning you have laid out in this thread, would have to say, "but that's just your opinion! The choices of the refrigerator manufacturer are paramount! You can't say this is bad!"
I don't want to turn this into a political or philosophical thread, but I'm honestly tired of this trend of saying that there are no objective standards for anything, and that everything is subjective. Yes, there are objective standards. There obviously are. And if there weren't, everyone would have to subscribe to an absurd worldview of which "refrigerators that don't work are no better or worse than refrigerators that do work" is merely the tip of the iceberg.
There are objective standards in music production. I've laid some of them out. I've shown how absurd it is to allege that these standards are not objective. I don't know what more there is to say.
I find it implausible, too, but it happened. The thing sounds like garbage. Maybe Lars and James can't hear well enough to tell the difference anymore, or maybe they only listened to it very loudly on a car radio (a scenario in which the difference between a good mastering job and a brickwall is not highly discernible). But whatever the reason, and however implausible you think it is, it happened. We don't need to calculate the odds of it happening, because we have actual evidence that it happened: the final recording, which sounds like garbage from a production standpoint.
And it's just strange, in my opinion, to refuse to say that one of these options is clearly the better one just because Lars might have preferred the other.
People who know nothing about any of that stuff - it sounds fine to them .Like Lars. :neverusethis:
Let's get into this a little. You're mixing up words here. There's objectively "good" or "bad", which doesn't exist UNLESS AND UNTIL we all - all 7.3 billion of us - arrive at and agree on a standard that we all say is how "good" or "bad" is measured.
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if you are subjectively adopting a standard, you have to tell the rest of us, and we have to agree. If we don't you're shit out of luck. And Lars, for one, DOESN'T.
In fact, I happen to agree with you; I think there are far more objective standards than we as a society are willing to accept. We are in agreement on that.
I'll give a more detailed response tomorrow, but this is... erroneous. And it contradicts this:
If every single person on the planet has to agree in order for standards to be objective, no standard is objective. Period. There is absolutely no meaningful statement with which every person on the planet agrees. None. For any standard that you might present as an example of one that you agree with me is objective, I could, if I cared hard enough about playing devil's advocate to do so, find someone who disagreed with it.
So if your standard for objectivity in standard-setting is universal consensus behind that standard, you don't believe in objectivity in any meaningful sense.
What I mean by objectivity is a standard that is true whether or not people agree. It usually takes the form: "The purpose of x is y. In order for x to achieve y, it must have characteristics a, b and c." So with music production, I'm saying: "The purpose of music production is to combine various music recordings to make one recording that enables the listener to hear the music. In order for it to do this, the production must be clear, there must be separation between the instruments and each instrument must be assigned an appropriate volume to balance with the other instruments."
Now, we can quibble about these particular points. And I can be wrong about what these points are. The attributes of a good music production may differ slightly or significantly from what I say they are. I'm trying to IDENTIFY the standard, not CREATE it. This point is significant. The standard exists, and by naming it I'm trying to identify it, not making up my own standard which I set down in stone and demand everyone else uphold. This means that if Lars thinks differently from me, I'm not "out of luck" on saying the standard is objective. One or both of us is merely wrong about what the standard is.
I don't think it does. There is a difference between someone not knowing (or not accepting) a factual answer, and in there not BEING a factual answer. Take evolution for example. Or God. There IS an answer for that. It's not subjective; there either IS a God, or there ISN'T. We don't know (perhaps we're not capable of knowing) so we each have our opinions, but there IS an answer. I believe that there are far more topics like this than there aren't, and yet we debate EVERYTHING (I don't mean here, though that too. :)). There IS an answer to whether "weed is harmful or not". There IS an answer as to whether minimum wage helps or hurts a specific economy. Etc. That's what I am referring to when I say 'there are more objective standards than people think'.
No, to the last thing (see above). But as to your first statement, I respectfully think you have it backwards: it's more that "a standard isn't objective unless and until every person on the planet can agree with it". We don't have to LITERALLY have every person agree; that's a tautology given that some people will disagree out of principle. But there are proxies for that; that's where the meaning comes in. Government is one; laws and regulations are another; even rules of etiquette and the like are attempts at standardization. We may not every one of us agree that "killing is bad" but we have proxies; under most circumstances, if you kill there will be consequences whether you ACTUALLY believe you did wrong or not.
You MAYBE had me with the first sentence (though not really). But you really lost me when you veered off wildly into "425 Opinion-land" with everything that followed. What about this version of the definition? "The purpose of music production is to effectively and efficiently translate the artistic idea or concept into a form or format whereby it can be reproduced consistently for the listener, in such a manner that the artistic intent of the creator is translated."
What about "Metal Machine Music"? What about "4:33"? Or better yet, "4:33 No. 2" or "One3"?
What about the remaster of The Stooges "Raw Power", arguably the "loudest" album ever, that was done purely on purpose, by Iggy? It even says so in the liner notes. Even the two early mixes/masters, one by Pop and one by Bowie, are of questionable quality by your production standards (YOURS, mind you), and yet this album is regularly cited as a favorite by people like Kurt Cobain, Henry Rollins, Johnny Marr and Steve Jones. Hell, even Cee-lo Green has praised the song "Search and Destroy" from this album.
Yes, I agree. You ARE wrong about what the standard is. I don't think there is a standard here, but even if I was to concede that point - which I could, easily, and remain intellectually honest - the standard would be "ARTIST INTENT". Not what you like to hear in production, which is apparently "clarity".
Some people think that good is being productive and having a focused mind. By that standard, weed is harmful. Some people think that good is having fun and enjoying yourself. By that standard, weed is not harmful. Certainly all 7.3 billion do not agree. By your definition of an objective standard, then, whether weed is harmful is subjective. And I can do this for any other sort of standard you might mention. By your statements about what makes something objective or not, nothing is objective. You'll have to either amend your definition of objectivity or state that few standards, if any at all, are objective in your view.
Okay, this modification opens all sorts of very questionable doors. You're saying that government, laws or rules of etiquette are proxies for universal agreement. This seems to suggest that these, then, are the keepers of objective standards. Your previous standard was that everyone agreeing is what tells us that a standard is objective, so the standards of governments and laws—proxies for everyone agreeing—are objective standards? That's very questionable. On the surface, of course, there is the problem that governments disagree. On cases that are not just marginal, and with governments that aren't just marginal. Most governments and laws in the European Union hold that free speech should be limited by laws against hate speech. The United States government and laws hold that there must not be any such limitations on free speech. If government creates objectivity, does that mean that there is not an objective answer to whether such limitations exist? Otherwise, how can you account for the contradiction?
There was a time when almost everyone would have told you that the Sun orbits the Earth. Using popular agreement to decide if something is true is a very poor method. The better way is to use reason to investigate the standard and determine whether it is in accordance with the facts of reality.
That definition is circular. "The purpose of music production is to be produced in the way that the person in charge of it wants it to be produced." That definition serves your "everything goes" attitude, but it's utterly pointless because it means that every production is equally good, so long as the artist wants it. Even a recording engineered by someone sleeping on the soundboard and accidentally hitting buttons and changing settings is just as good as the best Steven Wilson production if it was "the artist's intent" to portray the effects of sleeping on the soundboard. I think that's absurd. Just as absurd as saying that the bad refrigerator is just fine because it was "the engineer's intent."
"The intent of this recording is to show what happens when you play a bunch of white noise over the top of a Metallica record" is still garbage production. The artist's intent does not determine good and bad. Sometimes artists are just bad at what they do.
Plus, as others have pointed out to you, Metallica has already put out a remastered Death Magnetic. Guess maybe it wasn't quite their intent to have an awfully produced record.
4'33" is not music, and therefore, not art. Just as a blank canvas is not a painting and a slab of limestone is not a sculpture.
I don't know Metal Machine Music, and don't think I want to. Wikipedia says, "The album features no songs or even recognizably structured compositions, eschewing melody and rhythm for an hour of modulated feedback and guitar effects, mixed at varying speeds by Reed." If that's accurate, not art either. But we've veered from the main point.
People like songs on an album with bad production. I don't see the problem here. St. Anger has probably the worst production job ever on a commercial release, but I like Frantic. Production quality =/= performance quality =/= compositional quality.
If you concede that there is a standard, we're then having a different conversation. But whether you do or not is not "easy" or immaterial. When you say there is no standard, that immediately takes us to an absurd place. When you say that there is a standard but we disagree on what it is, then we can at least have a discussion about the standard. Unfortunately the standard you've offered is basically a non-standard-standard ("what determines whether a refrigerator is good or bad?" "MANUFACTURER INTENT" "what determines whether an economic policy is good or bad?" "GOVERNMENT INTENT" etc.), but at least we can have a discussion about the feasibility of that standard, if everyone actually agrees that there is a standard.
Who cares....it's all about how the band sounds live.
Who cares....it's all about how the band sounds live.
Which from reading this thread, would also be shit it seems
Which from reading this thread, would also be shit it seems
A Part of Robert's interview in the Metallica site. It seems that we'll have some vocal harmonies this time:
Obviously there’s work going on in the studio, would you care to give us a little preview here of anything?
Yeah, yeah. HQ is an active Metallica new album machine right now. I can say James and I had a blast doing back-up vocals last week, it was probably the most fun I’ve had during this album cycle, I wouldn’t even call that work. It was just super fun blasting out those choruses; he had a big smile on his face and so did I, so that’s something that I’ll always remember because I don’t think I’ve ever done it on that level. I mean, we’ve done a couple things here and there, but that was a first for me, to be in the vocal booth with him. It was pretty cool. So I feel great. The bass sounds are crushing. I would say they’re the best bass sounds that I’ve had with this band for sure, and already for me that’s a plus. I’m very proud of what Greg [Fidelman – Producer] has done with the sound of my instruments, and I’m also proud of the way I played. We’ve had fun.
I'm not saying it IS harmful, I'm saying that cosmically there is an answer. People who smoke either end up better or worse off in some measureable way. I don't know what the ABSOLUTE answer is (though I suspect it IS harmful, it's just that the harm is likely acceptable to us as a society) just that there is one.
I don't have to parse it down to "harm" means this or that,
and I don't have to literally get 7.3 billion to agree. it is what it is.
My point is that if your standard is defined such that you DO need all 7.3 billion, it's not a good standard. Your definition of "production" falls into that category.
It's not the "keeper" of the objective standard. It doesn't "create" objectivity. It's merely the standard that we agree to use in the event that there is conflict. "Proxy" is not the equivalent, it's the expression of the social contract. I don't actually agree (I'm being serious, here) that free speech should be limited by laws against hate speech. But as part of the social contract I recognize that when my belief collides with others, that the rule of government is going to supplant any objective standard. In other words, I can't argue, in court, that "Judge, all 315 million people in the United States don't agree that hate speech should be banned, therefore I am not guilty." That won't work. it doesn't make "hate speech" the objective standard; it just operates as such in cases where we would prefer there to be an objective standard (or it's impractical to establish one).
EXACTLY. I agree with that. I just consider your definition of "good production" to be in that 'popular agreement' category. "Clear? I like clear windows. I like clear direction. Therefore, 'clear production' ought to be better!" No, it's not, if it isn't what the artist intends you to hear.
It's not quite circular, even if my wording implies it. It's meant to be the conduit between the idea in the artists' head and the idea as received by the listener. The definition is intended to propose the idea that "good production" creates the least amount of friction or "signal loss" between the two.
I unequivocally, and with no reservation, disagree with you entirely here. The artist has an idea, and presents it. If it entails or requires "white noise over the music" then so be it. if you get to change that by an arbitrary definition of "good production" involving "clarity", then you are no better than the record company guy that says "I don't hear a single. Put something short on there, or something with some keyboards."
The counter example is Vapor Trails. That was NOT artist intent, as Geddy has gone on record saying "that's not what we bargained for" and they in fact released a remixed/remastered version. If you can show me where Lars and/or James said "Wow, we screwed the pooch with Death Magnetic, and are releasing a remastered version that is now the definitive version. Dump your CDs and buy the iTunes version!"
HAHAHA. If we didn't have a ton of posts on this topic already I would call you out for trolling. The John Cage compositions are ABSOLUTELY music, and ABSOLUTELY art. There is no question as to that point.
There is some debate that MMM was a "fuck you" to the record company and Lou Reed was never entirely clear on refuting that, but most absolutely consider MMM to be "art".
This is integral to the conversation. You are not the authority to decide what is or is not "art".
If I, as a sculptor, present a slab of limestone in an effort to make a statement regarding the unlimited artistic possibilities of art, or better yet, as a metaphor for "inner beauty" (the slab 'concealing' whatever final representation of sculpture that may be revealed later), that is MY call, not yours. You can speak to the effectiveness of that statement, whether you got it or not, but you don't get to say whether it IS a statement or not.
Why is it so absurd? I'm only trying to avoid confusion. I don't think there is a universal standard. I only proffered "artist intent" as a possible standard that all could agree on, but back against the wall, gun to head, I say there is no standard for "good" when it comes to artistic intent.
And stop confusing irrelevant examples; GE isn't selling their refrigerators as an artistic statement. They are selling a utilitarian appliance that has one (or more) specific intents that can be measured and quantified.
Which from reading this thread, would also be shit it seems
Het has actually been sounding really good vocally the last couple years, and he is always rock solid on guitar. Rob is a really good bass player, their main issues live are Lars struggling to play some songs and Kirk completely butchering his solos. But, if this thread has taught me anything, it's that Kirk really isn't playing poorly, maybe it's just his artistic choice. :lol
Well, to some degree, it is. If he's going for a run and fails, that's poor playing, but if he's opting to replace the solos/licks that were on the album with something alternative, well, yeah, that IS his artistic choice.
The difference is that quality of musical composition is usually hard if not impossible to measure. Quality in production is stupidly easy to measure.
Well, to some degree, it is. If he's going for a run and fails, that's poor playing, but if he's opting to replace the solos/licks that were on the album with something alternative, well, yeah, that IS his artistic choice.
Yeah, I was kidding. Kirk is just not playing well.
On that we can agree; whether it's his fail or his choice, it's not to my liking, and for me, he is sort of ruining the vibe I like from Metallica. I'm not a diehard fan, but when I'm in the mood, Metallica really hits it. I saw them on Later... with Jools Holland and they played "Cyanide" and "Enter Sandman", and during ES, they kept panning around to the other five or so acts, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM was standing up, clapping, singing along... some were even playing along. I watch that show regularly and I've never seen that, not with Sir Paul McCartney, not Noel Gallagher, not Tom Jones... you had Kings of Leon, Carla Bruni, Nicole Atkins, VV Brown and Sway DaSafo all rapt at their performance. Kirk played it close to the record, and they SMOKED. You look at some of the live stuff and Kirk goes off on his tangents, and well, it loses it's power if you ask me. But that's ME. When I get the gig playing lead in Metallica I can make other choices.
Death Magnetic sounds bad to people who are into music production and sound quality etc.Not quite.
People who know nothing about any of that stuff - it sounds fine to them .
Oh yea, I won't argue that. Metallica has created some incredible music that was able to transcend genres in a way that no other heavy metal band really has. Also, I personally think a lot of it (it meaning the way they pull people in during live performances) rests solely in the charisma of Het.
This is related to my other point about "artist intent", but I honestly don't want them thinking too much about "doing this kind of album" or "that kind of album".
Just go in and play what you feel. I think Lars and James have earned that right at this point in their careers. If it comes out sounding like "Damage, Inc." or "The Damage" by Marillion, so be it.
No. See, people thinking that bad production is good is exactly the same as people thinking that a harmful substance is beneficial. They can enjoy something that is bad, they can feel or even think that it is good, but they may still be wrong.
Okay, so you are now saying that a government standard is not necessarily objective. I agree. I hope you also agree that there are existing objective standards in reality, and that the best way to determine these standards is through rational evaluation, not appeals to what a majority or everyone believes. In other words: 7.3 billion agreeing or disagreeing or mixed has literally zip, zero, nada, nothing to do with whether something is objective or not. It's totally irrelevant and shouldn't even be part of the discussion.
I've literally already admitted that my standards for production may be incorrect and that I know nothing about the subject. I don't know why you're so wedded to critiquing my specific standard when what you're trying to do is negate standards (beyond "literally whatever the person making it wants to make") as such. So look, if clarity is a poor standard, fine. I'm totally willing to consider that possibility. But if it is in fact a poor standard, you've said nothing against my actual point, which is that there are standards.
Okay, and the artists can communicate their ideas poorly. Such as through a brickwalled production that is inaudible. In communicating ideas with minimum "signal loss," the best way to do that is to minimize literal signal lost. You can say "maybe the artist wants all that signal to be lost," and maybe that's true, but it's the same as printing an entire book with a printer that's running out of ink and produces barely legible half-formed typeface. Sure, okay, I guess the artist has communicated to me that I'm supposed to barely understand what's gone on. They've still done a poor job of communicating and the printing job is still terrible. So it is with terrible music production.
The difference is that quality of musical composition is usually hard if not impossible to measure. Quality in production is stupidly easy to measure.
Quite frankly, if the artist's idea is "white noise over the music," that's a terrible idea. It presents something that's hard or impossible to listen to, which defeats the purpose of music, which is that it is supposed to be listened to.
And this is where we get to one of the most bizarre implications of artistic subjectivism.
If James and Lars say "The Death Magnetic mastering isn't what we wanted!" it automatically becomes bad.
Until and unless they say that, it's magically good—or at least immune to any sort of serious criticism. But with eight words, James Hetfield can magically turn it from good to bad (what happens if James says it isn't what he wanted but Lars says it's exactly what he wanted has not yet been answered—does AJFA have a good mix? Lars wanted it, Jason didn't...).
Lol no. Art is a creation of the artist. The artist has to actually take various elements and arrange them in a certain way to make art. Explicitly not doing that and claim that the act of not doing it is art is another one of the most bizarre implications of artistic subjectivism.
Just so you know, I completed ten murals while typing that paragraph. They're all on the walls of my house. They're called Untitled 1-10. You can buy them for $25 million each. $240 million for the complete set; you get a $10 million discount. If you say "Death Magnetic has bad mastering," I'll lower the price to $210 million just for you. I'm one of the greatest and most prolific muralists of all time, and these works are masterpieces.
Unlike 4'33", this record MIGHT cross the threshold to be art. In order to do so, it must be the artist actively arranging elements to create it. I don't care to listen to it find out. But it may be art. If so, however, it is art of the most banal and insignificant variety—like a Jackson Pollock painting.
Art isn't about making statements. That's rhetoric. The whole "art is expression" thing is a horrible intellectual trend. Art is creation. It requires the organization of specific elements by an artist. It is not expression. Not anything that is expressed is art. I just tossed a throw pillow on the floor to express the fact that I want more room on the couch. It's still sitting there where I threw it. Not art. Not even if I call it art.
Why is it absurd? Because it means that anything and everything is good so long as the artist says "I intend it to be that way" ("this record is just a bunch of cats meowing with the sound of human screams in the background all obscured by the noise of a jet engine malfunctioning after an iron pole was thrown into it" "I intend it to be that way" "Then this is an amazing work of art!"). That isn't a standard, it's an anti-standard because it destroys any attempt at judging (which is of course the reason for a standard in the first place).
But what if they did? By your definition of art, they could (saying that it is an expression of their views on room temperature food), and we'd HAVE to call it art.
No. It's not a small point to say that the issue isn't thinking "bad" production is "good". It's having the hubris and audacity to think that you can even say one way or the other... You, 425, have arbitrarily and unilaterally determined that "clarity" is the be-all and end-all of "good" production, and I'm saying NO
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YOU don't get to determine that.
That's one of the definitions of "objective". "Independent of any one person". That I - or anyone else, including Lars - doesn't give a shit about "production clarity" is indicative that "production clarity" is NOT the objective standard of "good production".
NO NO NO. NO a thousand times NO. "Brickwalled production" is only "bad" when the artist INTENDED clarity of production (or whatever the opposite of "brickwalled production" is) as part of his/her artistic statement. YOU don't get to determine that.
ONLY if you agree on what the standard is to measure it. We now have two standards: one is "clarity of production" and two is "the degree to which the artists intent is communicated to the listener (immaterial as to whether the listener actually gets it or not). I think the former can be easy, the latter, maybe not so much.
Wrong. You couldn't possibly be more wrong. It's terrible to YOU, but that's just you. Not an objective standard. I think Axl Rose's "dow-woo-our" pronunciations on "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" are a terrible idea too, but so be it. He's the singer. I think fading the solo on "Tonight" by Ozzy was a terrible idea, but so be it. It's his song. I hate the solo at the end of "Lucky Man" by ELP, terrible idea to ruin the beauty of the piece with that noise, but so be it. It's Keith's spot. Same with the "white noise" over the end of "I Want You". John Lennon is one of the greats in modern music; he doesn't need us telling him what ideas are worthy and what are not.
No, they don't "magically turn it...". It's not Schroedinger's Cat. It was and always will be "good", you just didn't know it.
This fundamental to the discussion: your example hopelessly and futilely confuses artist intent with listener/viewer reaction. Is Beyoncé's new album more or less "art" than, say, "Scenes From A Memory"?
if you made those murals with no other intention than selling them for $240 million, I would argue they are not art. If each of those murals represents each of the ten years you spent with the girlfriend that broke your heart, it would be art. Whether anyone sees them, or buys them is immaterial to that. Not related at all. And whether those are "good" or "bad" would depend on how accurately you translated that feeling.
Why isn't "silence" an element? Robert Fripp - whom I consider the consummate artist in every way, and many agree - disagrees with you (look up "Trio", where Bill Bruford famously stood with his arms crossed and drumsticks in hand, consciously choosing NOT to play a note, and Fripp conspicuously gave him a writing credit for his choices). Art is all about "choices". In music, that is what to play and what not to play.
But you have. You have deemed 4'33" to not be art, for some reason, and that's on you.
John Cage is one of the most esteemed and innovative and demanding compositional artists out there. He requires you to reevaluate your preconceived notions constantly. Yet you said his work (one of them) was "not art". That's judgmental.
I'm hardly an intellectual hipster. "Expression" is the way that the Mona Lisa separates from the refrigerator you mentioned in a previous post. There is no real "utility" to the Mona Lisa beyond the communication aspect. Whether that "communication" is a statement on females of the sixteen century, or an attempt to elicit joy from the viewer is subject to the artist intent, but that painting doesn't make phone calls for you, or provide you access to the internet, or freeze your steaks.
Throwing your pillow is not an expression in that sense; it is utilitarian; you are ACTUALLY creating space on the couch. I can't think of one, but there are ways of articulating that feeling in a broader sense that WOULD be art.
Yes, actually, but don't confuse "good" with "you like it". And don't confuse what I said earlier about establishing a standard for a particular purpose. everyone and their brother thinks they could be a music critic, and I call bullshit on that. "Whoa, this album kicks major ass! It's AWESOME!" is not music critique. Classical criticism is a complex and intricate thing, and most (I would say all, but there's probably one somewhere) classic criticisms take the form of "establish context, establish standard, compare work in context to standard". The judgment is separate from that assessment of "good" or "bad". There are absolutely ways to get to your wish to judge things. There is a reason that albums like "Sgt. Pepper" and "Pet Sounds" are considered classics in their field, and it's not because one person said "oh, that is GOOD!". It's because there is a synergy between the efforts of the artist to hew as close as possible to their vision at a time when that vision was fresh and the adherence wasn't as easy as sitting in your mom's basement with a laptop and running pre-programmed beats. Whether any one person "likes" Sgt. Pepper's or not is immaterial to it's consideration as a classic piece of art. I am a Beatles maniac, and it's not my first or second favorite album by them, but I would absolutely consider it their "masterwork" if we were using such a term. Bob Dylan is another example. I have 2,000 CDs plus or minus and not one Dylan Cd, and likely never will. He is unlistenable to me. Hate his music. Yet, it would be stupid and churlish of me to not recognize that in the context of American music of the last 50 years, he is one of the three "classic" artists.
Conceptually, yes. IKEA perhaps does that.
Oh yea, I won't argue that. Metallica has created some incredible music that was able to transcend genres in a way that no other heavy metal band really has. Also, I personally think a lot of it (it meaning the way they pull people in during live performances) rests solely in the charisma of Het.
James Hetfield is Metallica. Plain and simple. He is the heart and soul of that band.
A lengthy debate about the nature of art, run through with Metallica discussion.
Walls of text. Walls of text as far as the eye can see.Walls of text
I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit.
The mods are going to hunt you down with no mercy if you don't knock it off.Sad, but true.
When I say that there are objective standards and that I am trying to identify what those are, it is not the same thing as me saying that I am the universal decider and what I say goes.
This is not that difficult and yet you continue, time after time, to act like I am trying to make myself the final artistic authority. I am not. There is a difference between "there is a truth, and this is what I think that truth might be" and "what I say is the truth because I am saying it." Please stop accusing me of trying to posture myself as an authority who "gets to determine" things. I have explicitly stated about five times now that I am not doing that. Okay?
Okay, but here's the thing. Maybe you and Lars are wrong. Maybe I'm wrong that clarity is the proper standard. I have said repeatedly that I'm willing to concede that possibility. But just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean that it is false. Just as you have said to me many, many times: You don't get to decide.
Again, this opens a massive door for something that is actually inaudible to be considered good. You've clearly shown that you're okay with that. I'm not. I think it's insulting to people who are actually good at what they do to go up to them and say "Yes, you're good at what you do, but so is the guy who made the decision to make Death Magnetic literally painful to listen to for some people. You are both equally good. We cannot say that either of you is better than the other."
Now, some of these may be personal preferences, some not. I don't want to get into all of those—we're talking about production, not composition or perferomance, and all but one of those is related to one of those two and not production (though there are objective standards for those two as well, they're just harder to pin down). But terrible brickwalled production is terrible, because when you listen to the record you can't hear what's going it, it clips, it warps and it can be painful. That's actually bad, and if the "artist's intent" is to be bad, fine, but it's still bad.
What if James was happy with it in 2008, but he decides to play it again now and realizes it's really bad and not what he wanted it to sound like at all?
I also notice that you ignored my comment about AJFA. This is something that you have to answer or this whole premise of subjectivism is internal contradictory. Lars likes the production on AJFA. It is what he intended. Jason hates it. It is not what he intended. Is the production on AJFA good, or bad? (For reference, I posit that it is bad, since one standard for quality in production surely must be that all the instruments are audible)
Also LOL at the very idea of calling the DM production good. But that's what is so often said about bad things that people only claim to be good by saying that there is no real standard of quality.
Art or not art is a binary condition. It makes no sense for something to be more art or less art than anything else. It can be better or worse art, but there's art and then there's not art. SFAM and Lemonade are both art. They are equally art by definition since there are no degrees of art.
Untitled 1-10 all express my feelings about people saying that artistic quality is subjective. Some of them are white. Some of them are blue. Some of them are off-white—what is often called cream. And each and every one of them is worth $25 million. They are great masterpieces of art paralleled only by the work of a composer who didn't write a score and said that the score he did not write was a work of artistic genius.
Silence is an element the same way that blank space on the canvas is an element. They aren't really elements, but they can act sort of like them by their position in relation to the elements. They're space between elements. And putting that space between elements can serve a great purpose in a painting or a composition. But if there are no elements and there is just space, then that is not art—it's not made up of any elements at all.
It's not art because it's nothing. Nothing is not art. It's nothing.
But if you think John Cage's nothing is so great, I have a great new album (https://eshop.macsales.com/imgs/ndesc/Memorex/MEMCDR80/MEMCDR80_gall2.jpg) to share with you. It's called "Memorex CD-R." Looks like it has three songs: 52X, 700MB and 80min. I hear it's a must-listen for fans of 4'33". Some people are even saying it's better than Cage's work. You should really check it out.
I don't know any of Cage's other compositions. One or more of them might be good, for all I know (in order for it to be good, it would have to contain actual music). But Cage is also considered a postmodernist. And though there are exceptions, I have typically found people associated with that movement to be [UK swearing incoming] pretentious wankers. I'm not applying that label to Cage's other works, though 4'33" alone deserves the title "pretentious wankery," but I certainly am applying it to the likes of James Joyce, who is the Jackson Pollock of literature.
And being judgmental is not a bad thing. In fact, it is a good thing. It's the only way to have any success in life. But of course, judgment can be harsh and mean and is totally incompatible with a view that places "whatever went through Kirk Hammett's brain in 2008" as more important than whether the result is enjoyable or even coherent.
But the reason for the greatness of the Mona Lisa is not that it is an expression. Da Vinci expressed something by making that painting, yes, it's true. But the Mona Lisa is objectively better than the results of a hobo flinging paint at a wall. Maybe the hobo is expressing something just as strongly as Da Vinci was with the Mona Lisa, but only one is a great work of art. No, the point of the Mona Lisa is that it is the rearranging of elements of reality in accordance with the artist's judgment. Yes, the artist does express things, but this not the primary thing that makes something art. There are plenty of forms of expression that are not art—that means that "art is expression" is a bad definition.
Yeah, or you could articulate it by coming up with a better definition than "art is expression." A better definition also allows you to throw out nonsense like 4'33" that just expresses "I'm really pretentious, but also I don't want to have to put in the work of actually writing a score."
Almost all of this paragraph is actually quite a good description of what makes some music good and some not. Why throw in that first sentence which contradicts the whole thing?
A refrigerator is art. This is the kind of absurd conclusion that you've demonstrated you're fine with. The fact that you get to such a bizarre conclusion doesn't seem to suggest to you at all that some of your premises may need checking. Well, I'm not fine with such an absurd conclusion.
This debate matters, and here's why. When you throw out all standards in art and make it entirely about the artist's intent, you've ruined art. You've certainly attacked great art. Because when you say that random paint splatter is no worse than the Mona Lisa, that degrades the Mona Lisa to the same status as the paint splatter. The whole trend of artistic subjectivism is probably why fewer people appreciate the truly great historical works of art today—because they have been equated with miserable works that are not great. If Jackson Pollock's splatter is considered a "great work of art," but nobody can make heads or tails of it at all, most people won't even bother looking at "other great works of art" that are actually great.
Can we just turn the page on this?
Serious question: does anyone know what that title actually means?
Serious question: does anyone know what that title actually means?
Basically - the Death Magnetic artwork is a Big coffin sized magnet in a grave and the dirt above is arranged in a magnetic field.
It's about how Death happens to everyone and it's unavoidable.
But also it's about how some people tend to live hedonistic lifestyles and die early ( being attracted to death )
and how some people seem to live on and on and repel death.
Serious question: does anyone know what that title actually means?
Basically - the Death Magnetic artwork is a Big coffin sized magnet in a grave and the dirt above is arranged in a magnetic field.
It's about how Death happens to everyone and it's unavoidable.
But also it's about how some people tend to live hedonistic lifestyles and die early ( being attracted to death )
and how some people seem to live on and on and repel death.
Serious question: does anyone know what that title actually means?
Basically - the Death Magnetic artwork is a Big coffin sized magnet in a grave and the dirt above is arranged in a magnetic field.
It's about how Death happens to everyone and it's unavoidable.
But also it's about how some people tend to live hedonistic lifestyles and die early ( being attracted to death )
and how some people seem to live on and on and repel death.
Also, it is a perfect anagram for Can It Megadeth.
We have a date!
https://bravewords.com/news/metallica-set-october-release-date-for-10th-studio-album
So exciting, it's been a long eight years! :metalI'm curious as to why 'Lulu' is almost always completely ignored when it comes to Metallica's discography. Sure, it's sung by Lou Reed. But, Metallica is the band behind it, and they did spend time recording it. So, to me, the band hasn't been that lazy.
So exciting, it's been a long eight years! :metalI'm curious as to why 'Lulu' is almost always completely ignored when it comes to Metallica's discography. Sure, it's sung by Lou Reed. But, Metallica is the band behind it, and they did spend time recording it. So, to me, the band hasn't been that lazy.
(Having said that, it has been 5 years since 'Lulu', so I understand the excitement behind new music)
Because all parties involved have explicitly stated that Lulu is not part of the Metallica discography. Honestly though, there were great moments of music in that album, sadly they didn't last terribly long. But if the new album has the production of Lulu and some fo the same quality riffs/grooves, I'd be happy. If they try to go all thrash again and get a DM style production, then I'm afraid I won't have any interest.
Because all parties involved have explicitly stated that Lulu is not part of the Metallica discography. Honestly though, there were great moments of music in that album, sadly they didn't last terribly long. But if the new album has the production of Lulu and some fo the same quality riffs/grooves, I'd be happy. If they try to go all thrash again and get a DM style production, then I'm afraid I won't have any interest.
I'd agree with all of that.
Also, they have done a lot of other stuff since DM beyond Lulu (BM, Orion, TTN Movie), most fans just want them to put out a new album though.
I wish they could afford to continue Orion. I had such a great time when I went to the first one in Atlantic City and I only really liked three of the bands there (Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, and Volbeat). I have never had a better weekend than I did at that festival.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhBHL3v4d3I
So there you go. New single.
EDIT:
New album is called "Hardwired...To Self-Destruct" coming out November 18.
I feel like Kirk has played that exact solo like three times before.
Other than that (and the lyrics, but that's never been their strong suit), I'm pleasantly surprised. Some great riffs going on, and James still sounds pretty good. The production is also a lot better than DM.
Not sure what I think of the cover, though, and some of the song titles sound quite un-Metallica-esque.
Also, a double album with 6 songs on each disc means we are in for some long songs :biggrin: that puts a big smile on my face.
I'd really love for Metallica to feel relevant but to me they just don't any more. It's like they've become a parody of themselves or something.
It didn't sound bad but nothing surprised me there at all. It's Metallica so I'll definitely get the album, but for the record, I'm not happy about it :lol
Not a fan of either the album cover or title either.
Here's hoping (as always) that I'll be pleasantly surprised. I don't want to come off too negative about this though, I'm glad it's actually going to be out this year. Another album in the vein of DM will be fine by me as I enjoyed the majority of the album.
Also, the swearing seems childish for some reason. Maybe I'm just getting old. :D
That's gotta be the worst kick drum sound I've heard in the last few years. Sounds like a really shitty trigger.
The new song is...okay. I'll listen to the album when it comes out, but I doubt it'll have any staying power. As far as thrash is concerned, I'm much more excited for the new Testament record.
Fun little rocker - very typical Metallica but sounds well-produced for the first time in, what, 20 years? And it's energetic and entertaining. I'd have no interest in a whole album of that, but if it's a 12-song 2-disc album then there's plenty of scope for variety and songs that have more going on, so I'm cool with this as a single.
They sound younger here than they sounded 8 years ago in Death Magnetic. I'm getting this.
They sound younger here than they sounded 8 years ago in Death Magnetic. I'm getting this.
No Rick RUIN producing this time.
...What is it with Ricks ?
I think the drums sound the best that Lars has had them sound this century, still needs improvement though.
I'm starting to think that my expectations ahve been lowered SO much by Death Magnetic and St. Anger (didn't like either) that I like this song simply for being better than them, but I have no real way of saying what I liked, other than the production improvement and mostly the fact that each member feels on top of their instrument and it doesn't sound like it's all going to fall apart like it did (to me) on DM.
Yea..........hoping the song writing is better on the other songs.
Also, since I didn't see anyone else bring this up, I really hope this short song is not a radio edit of an otherwise 6-8 minute song.
I think the drums sound the best that Lars has had them sound this century, still needs improvement though.
I'm starting to think that my expectations ahve been lowered SO much by Death Magnetic and St. Anger (didn't like either) that I like this song simply for being better than them, but I have no real way of saying what I liked, other than the production improvement and mostly the fact that each member feels on top of their instrument and it doesn't sound like it's all going to fall apart like it did (to me) on DM.
Yea..........hoping the song writing is better on the other songs.
Also, since I didn't see anyone else bring this up, I really hope this short song is not a radio edit of an otherwise 6-8 minute song.
This is the full edit of the song. It's this long on iTunes plus it's been confirmed by Metallica Staff on their Official Forum.
The new song is...okay. I'll listen to the album when it comes out, but I doubt it'll have any staying power. As far as thrash is concerned, I'm much more excited for the new Testament record.
Definitely, Testament, I think have the best back catalogue out of all the 80's thrash bands. They may not have had a Master of Puppets, Rust in Peace or Reign in Blood but they managed to release consistently good albums and stay relevant, IMO.
I hope there's an acoustic piece, even if it's just a section. The intro do Fight Fire, the intro to Battery, Unforgiven, the intro to To Live is to Die, Mama Said, James can do some really cool acoustic stuff but it seems Metallica is "MELLOW IS BAD FAST IS GOOD" recently, which I'm hoping they change up. Metaliica are amazing at melody.
I hope there's an acoustic piece, even if it's just a section. The intro do Fight Fire, the intro to Battery, Unforgiven, the intro to To Live is to Die, Mama Said, James can do some really cool acoustic stuff but it seems Metallica is "MELLOW IS BAD FAST IS GOOD" recently, which I'm hoping they change up. Metallica are amazing at melody.
The problem is they USED to be able to meld melody with the fast and thrashy stuff and make it so awesome. The Black Album onward its been either or (or neither) mostly (IMO).
I wonder if there's gonna be an instrumental on this one.
I'm excited either way! New Metallica since 2010.
I hope there's an acoustic piece, even if it's just a section. The intro do Fight Fire, the intro to Battery, Unforgiven, the intro to To Live is to Die, Mama Said, James can do some really cool acoustic stuff but it seems Metallica is "MELLOW IS BAD FAST IS GOOD" recently, which I'm hoping they change up. Metallica are amazing at melody.
The problem is they USED to be able to meld melody with the fast and thrashy stuff and make it so awesome. The Black Album onward its been either or (or neither) mostly (IMO).
They don't even need to blend it with thrash. Have some thrashy stuff like whatever they just released, and also some really melodic stuff, as opposed to trying for a 95% thrash album with a small melodic section thrown in for no reason.
Black Album and Load had some credible melodic songs.
That's gotta be the worst kick drum sound I've heard in the last few years. Sounds like a really shitty trigger.
I'm also apparently in the minority in that I love the album cover. But I suppose that won't help if I don't like the music. :lol
Pretty meh song really, I can see myself skipping this every single time if the rest of the album is better.
Has the possibility of a double album been denied? If not, I may consider that, especially to make up for the wait & all. How good that would be would be up for debate though.
Another thing too, with all the hype this album has been getting, plus how Metallica is pretty much a household name at this point, would anyone else think it'd be a possible November/December release?
I don't see the point of making it a double album, but thank god it's not a "legit" double album.
I don't see the point of making it a double album, but thank god it's not a "legit" double album.
Yeah it was probably ever so slightly too long and they didn't want to trim anything.
I know it's been 8 years and god knows if we'll even get another album but I don't want another 160 minute Load/Reload type deal.
I don't see the point of making it a double album, but thank god it's not a "legit" double album.
Yeah it was probably ever so slightly too long and they didn't want to trim anything.
I know it's been 8 years and god knows if we'll even get another album but I don't want another 160 minute Load/Reload type deal.
Hardwired/ReHardwired
Has the possibility of a double album been denied? If not, I may consider that, especially to make up for the wait & all. How good that would be would be up for debate though.Another thing too, with all the hype this album has been getting, plus how Metallica is pretty much a household name at this point, would anyone else think it'd be a possible November/December release?
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
I don't see the point of making it a double album, but thank god it's not a "legit" double album.
Yeah it was probably ever so slightly too long and they didn't want to trim anything.
What I'm confused about is that if it was going to be a double album anyway, why not just include Lords of Summer?
I think the drums sound the best that Lars has had them sound this century, still needs improvement though.
I'm starting to think that my expectations ahve been lowered SO much by Death Magnetic and St. Anger (didn't like either) that I like this song simply for being better than them, but I have no real way of saying what I liked, other than the production improvement and mostly the fact that each member feels on top of their instrument and it doesn't sound like it's all going to fall apart like it did (to me) on DM.
Yea..........hoping the song writing is better on the other songs.
Also, since I didn't see anyone else bring this up, I really hope this short song is not a radio edit of an otherwise 6-8 minute song.
This is the full edit of the song. It's this long on iTunes plus it's been confirmed by Metallica Staff on their Official Forum.
It's on the third disc.
I don't see the point of making it a double album, but luckily it's not a proper double album.
I don't see the point of making it a double album, but luckily it's not a proper double album.
Probably want the sales numbers for selling a double album. If it's under 80 minutes, there's no reason to make it a double album.
Oh, didnt know that. Cool. Whatever, I download albums these days so disc1/2 doesn't mean much anymore, I just don't understand the wastefulness.I don't see the point of making it a double album, but luckily it's not a proper double album.
Probably want the sales numbers for selling a double album. If it's under 80 minutes, there's no reason to make it a double album.
I believe the cutoff is 100 minutes for it affecting sales numbers.
They're releasing it on their own label, so they can probably do what they want. A regular label likely would have made them trim the extra minute or whatever, or cut a track and made it a digital only bonus track.
I understand that but personally I loved the earlier stuff where they DID mix the melodic with the thrashy within an individual song. Black Album onward it tended to be either/or/neither it seems. I don't mind the thrashy or the melodic stuff they've done but I love when they blended them both epically.
Kaos, I hope you know I don't say this to argue with you but only to offer a slightly different take (and this was really formed for me while watching "Some Kind of Monster" which is, with the possible exception of the Rush doc, my favorite musical documentary ever)...
I think they are the one band that DIDN'T do that. They follow their muse. I respectfully, but honestly, think that the people that think Metallica sold out are those that are wishing for RtL Part 9. Or MoP over and over again. We forget, because it landed, and landed BIG, but The Black Album was a huge risk. They spent a LOT of time on that, and what, remixed it twice or some shit? If it tanked, they were arguably done. Load and Reload were - for them - WAY off the reservation, and there was no guarantee of financial success. St. Anger was more polarizing than any album from Testament, Megadeth, Anthrax, and Slayer COMBINED. Those other bands (with the exception of Testament, who I am not that familiar with) are still doing the same shtick. Slayer is to me a cartoon. Every time I hear them I hear the melody of "Entrance of the Gladiators" (the "circus theme") in my head.
I think if they were really about the "business" first, they would have put out "The Black Puppets", "Load the Lightning", "Reload the Lightning", "St. Justice", "Death Days Revisited", and "Hardwired... to Kill Em All". At least with Metallica (like Zeppelin), if I want to bang heads, I have an album or two to go to. If I want to put a little "prog" in my metal, I have an album to go to. If I want a little classic rock, I have an album to go to.
I think they are way bigger than any of the other bands you mentioned (perhaps, again, combined) and so there is an element to business that is unavoidable. You can't play stadia without at least ONE eye on the wallet, but in that context, in my opinion, they have stayed very relevant and have taken some big risks.
Really? After multiple listens, I still can't remember a damn thing about the new song, except the chorus lyrics for the wrong reasons. Not a single decent melody in the entire song. Bland af.
I'm hoping they chose this song as the lead single simply to reassure the fans they regained with DM that this album was going to have similar songs, and that the rest of the album will display more diversity.
You don't like the chorus? I'm not normally a fan of the F-bomb, but in spite of that, I find that chorus to be amazing.
Only twice and I can't get it out of my head.
Maybe it's just because I was feeling particularly "kid like" today, and this made me feel like a kid again. (something that DM failed to do entirely)
Meh, listened to it 3 times total now and this just sounds like something similar to the style of DM but much, much worse. I'm glad atleast some people can find enjoyment in this I guess :lol
Really ? i can hear the main riff in my head.
I find myself listening to the drums during the verses. They're that loud for me, the snare and bass drum.
And even if " Hardwired...To Self Destruct " is just Death Magnetic 2 - at least the production is nice FINALLY...
Yeah, I had That Was Just Your Life stuck in my head all day yesterday, because every time I tried to think of this new riff, it would just morph into that song.Really ? i can hear the main riff in my head.
Wow! Whenever I try it turns into a mix of My Apocalypse and This Was Your Life.
I just pre - ordered the 3CD version :)
This song was the last thing written for the album and was written & recorded exclusively by James & Lars ( Kirk and Rob did overdubs but did not contribute to the writing ) in one week to open the
album when they wanted something fast and short to kick it off.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj9CYmbUUAAUTMi.jpg:large)
:rollin
Just seen this on Facebook.
More like a side of shit.
Metallica stopped caring years ago because they know they don't have to anymore. St. Anger and Death Magnetic sold 3 trillion copies in the first week because Metallica was on the cover. Not because they were any good.
Metallica stopped caring years ago because they know they don't have to anymore. St. Anger and Death Magnetic sold 3 trillion copies in the first week because Metallica was on the cover. Not because they were any good.
.........it's like you're in my head.
More like a side of shit.Aw, come on. It's not the best Metallica song but there are quite a lot of worse Metallica tunes out there. Remember those horrible Reload songs? St. Anger? Lords of Summer?
I listened to it again and can't believe how generic and bad it is.
More like a side of shit.Aw, come on. It's not the best Metallica song but there are quite a lot of worse Metallica tunes out there. Remember those horrible Death Magnetic songs? St. Anger? Lords of Summer?
I listened to it again and can't believe how generic and bad it is.
Also just noticed this song is in E and not Eb.
Think they'll play it live in Eb like they did with all of the DM songs?
It's quite a strange thing to record albums in one tuning and then immediately play them live in a different tuning.
Slightly off-track, but am I the only one that actually likes LoS? I remember I was actually really hyped for the MT10 after hearing it for the first time, but now it isn't even on the main album & seems to have a generally negative reception... :dunno:
Listening to Hardwired - I really enjoy the arrangement of it.
It reminds me of a Black Album track. I love all the little turnarounds in between verses.
And the ending :heart
The 1 bar E string chug with snare roll and then DUN DUN DUH!!!!! to silence with that massive reverb....
Fuck I love that bit.
Listening to Hardwired - I really enjoy the arrangement of it.
It reminds me of a Black Album track. I love all the little turnarounds in between verses.
And the ending :heart
The 1 bar E string chug with snare roll and then DUN DUN DUH!!!!! to silence with that massive reverb....
Fuck I love that bit.
Yes, some cool heavy stuff going on. I'm glad they're not pandering to the "play slower" zealots and are still recording stuff faster than 60bpm.
Listening to Hardwired - I really enjoy the arrangement of it.
It reminds me of a Black Album track. I love all the little turnarounds in between verses.
And the ending :heart
The 1 bar E string chug with snare roll and then DUN DUN DUH!!!!! to silence with that massive reverb....
Fuck I love that bit.
Yes, some cool heavy stuff going on. I'm glad they're not pandering to the "play slower" zealots and are still recording stuff faster than 60bpm.
Lol I don't think that's a thing. Instead they're pandering to the clingy thrash fans who only like their music if it's playing the E string as fast as possible at 200bpm. But Metallica are just not good at that style of music anymore. Kirk and Lars are serious liabilities. They should be slowing down.
I'm guessing the lyrics were deliberately cliche.
That sounds like code for "made them up as we went along even though they make us sound like meathead metal." I can't imagine they spent more than a few minutes working on those lyrics.
In my mind, it works well because it's down-to-earth, high-energy and doesn't waste any time. It doesn't pretend to be intelligent or revolutionary, it just rocks and I like that.
FYI, I'm at the concert in Minneapolis and you guys are not.
FYI, I'm at the concert in Minneapolis and you guys are not.
I'm digging those other samples a lot more, although I would have liked to hear more vocal sections to judge. That first one after Hardwired sounded more TBA/Load/Reload style, which I consider a positive.
^ Snippets.
I agree on the first song sounding like Loadish, as soon as I heard the guitar solo I thought Load.
The second one is more exciting, I'll call it Blackout cause that's the only work I recognized, it's got a cool groove to it.
Hardwired (https://youtu.be/4N9TT3_RJvs) live audio.
I just want Kirk to slow down and pay attention to note choice and timing
I just want Kirk to slow down and pay attention to note choice and timing
Have you ever seen him do that though? 2016 marks my 20th year of being a hardcore Metallica fan who's probably seen much more than he should have and I've never seen him to that :lol
I hear ya though, you're definitely entitled to that expectation from any musician.
I just want Kirk to slow down and pay attention to note choice and timing
Have you ever seen him do that though? 2016 marks my 20th year of being a hardcore Metallica fan who's probably seen much more than he should have and I've never seen him to that :lol
I hear ya though, you're definitely entitled to that expectation from any musician.
Before St. Anger, yes. I mean, he doesn't have a perfect track record, but his solos on Load, Re-Load, Black Album, Justice, etc, while not all great, had quite a lot that were very well thought out. It's only live and from DM and this new song that he's just hitting lots of notes without much care.
The teeny snippets sound very Load / Metallica to me. I want.
Yep, I am. And I am not wrong. They ignored Death Magnetic at the show last night, and they played Fuel and The Memory Remains. So what is the problem?
Pfft, i'm losing an argument, See ya.
:lol :lol If you need to feel like you are winning, when I am trying to scale it back and not let this turn this into silliness, have at it. Isn't that what the internet is all about, after all?
DM came out a while ago now, and they've played the album plenty in that time. They certainly haven't ignored it. And when you've got so much classic material as Metallica, something has to go to make space to cycle in other songs.
In my mind, it works well because it's down-to-earth, high-energy and doesn't waste any time. It doesn't pretend to be intelligent or revolutionary, it just rocks and I like that.
I mean, I really like that you dig the song. I don't have a major problem with outside of the awful lyrics and half-assed vocals. But, it seems what you're saying is akin to "the song ain't trying to be smart. It's dumb and it's proud to be dumb and that's what a rocking song should be"
I apologize for making it overly blunt and a bit more extreme than you likely meant it, but it's still a constantly lowering standard we give these bands. Look at Metallica's biggest hit metal songs.
Master of Puppets, Creeping Death, Four Horsemen, One, just to name a few.
They were intelligent songs, with thought provoking, or at least well written lyrics. Those are their huge hits. No one really listens to those kinds of songs because they're not trying to be intelligent.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but it seems like Metallica has 9-10 songs that they play at literally every show, which doesn't always leave a lot of space to sub in a lot of deep cuts. I think they ought to do what Rush and U2 did in recent years, which is scale back the "must be played classics" down a tad and make room for other tunes. They are popular enough to where it wouldn't hurt their ticket sales at all, and would add a jolt to their live sets, IMO.
Which is why they did a " request the setlist " tour last time around.
In which all the classics were suggested.
That's what people wanted to hear.
Lulu ? Orion Fest ? 3D Concert Movie ?
All can't-miss safe business choices.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but it seems like Metallica has 9-10 songs that they play at literally every show, which doesn't always leave a lot of space to sub in a lot of deep cuts. I think they ought to do what Rush and U2 did in recent years, which is scale back the "must be played classics" down a tad and make room for other tunes. They are popular enough to where it wouldn't hurt their ticket sales at all, and would add a jolt to their live sets, IMO.
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .
I've heard people say that Hardwired has bad production but I don't really get it. Mainly, I've heard complaints about the kick drum but it honestly sounds fine to me.
I don't see shorter songs being that likely considering that it's a double album.
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .
I've heard people say that Hardwired has bad production but I don't really get it. Mainly, I've heard complaints about the kick drum but it honestly sounds fine to me.
I don't see shorter songs being that likely considering that it's a double album.
12 tracks over 80 mins is an average of 7 minutes. They won't all be massively long or really short.
Oh yea, say what you want about Metallica
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .
I've heard people say that Hardwired has bad production but I don't really get it. Mainly, I've heard complaints about the kick drum but it honestly sounds fine to me.
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .
I've heard people say that Hardwired has bad production but I don't really get it. Mainly, I've heard complaints about the kick drum but it honestly sounds fine to me.
I don't see shorter songs being that likely considering that it's a double album.
12 tracks over 80 mins is an average of 7 minutes. They won't all be massively long or really short.
With an average of around 7 minutes, that's already way too long for current Metallica. And given we already have a track much shorter than that, there has to be at least something longer than the average. Although a slower Sad But True type song would be fine if it went 6 minutes. We'll see.
I don't have a problem with the production of the drums on Hardwired. The kick sounds fine to me.
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .
I've heard people say that Hardwired has bad production but I don't really get it. Mainly, I've heard complaints about the kick drum but it honestly sounds fine to me.
I don't see shorter songs being that likely considering that it's a double album.
12 tracks over 80 mins is an average of 7 minutes. They won't all be massively long or really short.
Yeah, longer songs lengths make me nervous based on the overly-long arrangements found on DM.Their song lengths have always been long. I can understand why some people wouldn't be keen on the song arrangements on DM (though I have no real problem with them) but that isn't correlated with how long the song is IMO. Long and short songs can both be well or poorly arranged.
Yeah, longer songs lengths make me nervous based on the overly-long arrangements found on DM.Their song lengths have always been long. I can understand why some people wouldn't be keen on the song arrangements on DM (though I have no real problem with them) but that isn't correlated with how long the song is IMO. Long and short songs can both be well or poorly arranged.
But then we get this with loads of bands - people get worried or excited based on song lengths and I can never understand why.
Good production is the first step. Shorter more concise songs is next and also vocal harmonies and composed solos .
I've heard people say that Hardwired has bad production but I don't really get it. Mainly, I've heard complaints about the kick drum but it honestly sounds fine to me.
I don't see shorter songs being that likely considering that it's a double album.
It's one thing to look purely at track times and try to draw a correlation between good and bad songs (which is silly, but to be fair, it lines up very well with DTF's opinions on DT songs), but Metallica's last two albums are a pretty good reason to be worried about longer song lengths. It doesn't mean that will be the case, but it's not an unfounded worry.Well, I disagree, but then I find no real correlation between song length and quality on the latest two albums.
It's one thing to look purely at track times and try to draw a correlation between good and bad songs (which is silly, but to be fair, it lines up very well with DTF's opinions on DT songs), but Metallica's last two albums are a pretty good reason to be worried about longer song lengths. It doesn't mean that will be the case, but it's not an unfounded worry.
Well they already got an official live video of the new single from this weekend:
https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs (https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs)
Say what you want about the music or Metallica as a business, but I got to say this was great promotion for them. Release the new single during the week, headline a big US gig and make the live debut of the single that weekend, and then have it already released in a well done professional video shortly after. :metal :metal :metal
Well they already got an official live video of the new single from this weekend:
https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs (https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs)
Say what you want about the music or Metallica as a business, but I got to say this was great promotion for them. Release the new single during the week, headline a big US gig and make the live debut of the single that weekend, and then have it already released in a well done professional video shortly after. :metal :metal :metal
Well, I'll say this. It sounds better in a live setting than the studio version. Another note from that video, at least, Lars is wearing a cap to cover whatever is left of his hair.
Another note from that video, at least, Lars is wearing a cap to cover whatever is left of his hair.
Well, I'll say this. It sounds better in a liveLars is wearing a cap to cover whatever is left of his hair.
Well they already got an official live video of the new single from this weekend:
https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs (https://youtu.be/HZan1NsiAYs)
Say what you want about the music or Metallica as a business, but I got to say this was great promotion for them. Release the new single during the week, headline a big US gig and make the live debut of the single that weekend, and then have it already released in a well done professional video shortly after. :metal :metal :metal
The live video is great, I'm loving Hardwired right now, the verse are just fun to sing along to maniacally :lol
Yes. Maybe there are some acoustic songs on Hardwired...
I can't fucking wait til there is an acoustic guitar on the new album. ::)
Songs which feature acoustic guitar.
Metallica have never ever done an acoustic ONLY song.
I'm just saying, I bet James has written some great songs just him and an acoustic guitar. I'd love an album of that. Whether or not a song or more on Hardwired has an acoustic track or features an acoustic part is not at all what I'm talking about.
Adami meant acoustic only songs and I meant songs with acoustic on like Mama Said.
:lolpalm:
Talking about Metallica in a Metallica thread.
I DUN DERAILED DA THRED
I'd welcome some acoustics on the new album.
Didn't say you did. You just undermined my original question, now people are just going to talk about acoustic songs on a Metallica record. There is no James Hetfield thread, so it had go here.
But it's all good. I doubt the conversation would have lasted more than 2-3 posts anyway before becoming about acoustic songs on a Metallica album anyway.
Alright, two questions in a row shut down as quickly as possible.
I'll just stick to reading this thread for a bit apparently.
I have no idea what you mean by that, but it doesn't matter.
So since a solo album is not going to be discussed, how much of the new record do you think will be played live? Metallica, as we've seen, do not venture too far off from a steady setlist ,and there's no room for that many new songs. So how many do you think will show up? Which current staples do you think might be replaced?
So, I'm watching a youtube of Hetfield performing such acoustic show by himself, and man it's awesome.I would absolutely dig that sort of thing. Hetfield branching out from Metallica in general would be very interesting to me.
Would any one else dig an acoustic solo hetfield album? Maybe not 100% acoustic, but definitely mostly.
Er, no you didn't. You answered different questions, and did so in quite an abrasive manner. People don't need to be moderators to ask someone else to treat them with respect. This isn't the Kotowboy thread.QuoteAlright, two questions in a row shut down as quickly as possible.
I'll just stick to reading this thread for a bit apparently.
:facepalm:
No I answered them. With facts. Get off your high fucking horse. You're not a Moderator. Stop acting like one.
I have no idea what you mean by that, but nothing else matters.
So since a solo album is not going to be discussed, how much of the new record do you think will be played live? Metallica, as we've seen, do not venture too far off from a steady setlist ,and there's no room for that many new songs. So how many do you think will show up? Which current staples do you think might be replaced?
Songs which feature acoustic guitar.
Metallica have never ever done an acoustic ONLY song.
Or even a mostly acoustic song would be good. Like I said, Mama Said is the closest they've come. I mean, Unforgiven III had a piano intro, you wouldn't call that a piano song.
I'm just saying, I bet James has written some great songs just him and an acoustic guitar. I'd love an album of that. Whether or not a song or more on Hardwired has an acoustic track or features an acoustic part is not at all what I'm talking about.
Personally, I think the only classics Metallica feel like they need to play every night should be: MoP, One, ES, NEM. That's it. Everything else should be considered very optional.
FUCK ME! I just listened to Coz's link and let it play, and the next song is even MORE KILLER HET!
Waylon Jennings' Outlaw Country CLASSIC as done by James (interpolating a little "Dukes of Hazard"). That gave me chills. This is some evidence that Metallica is holding him back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbaXAV56e7c
(Another good comment: "wow. what a great fuckin job. rocked them country titties right outta their tops.")
And the NEXT song is proof that he can sing: Deep Purple's "When A Blind Man Cries":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIY8x5gy7w
Fun Fact 2 : because James recorded all rhythms on The Black Album and also played the solo on Nothing Else Matters ...
Kirk did not actually record a single note on the studio version.
Breadfan (cover)
Master of Puppets
Of Wolf and Man
The Thing That Should Not Be
Fuel
The Memory Remains
Bleeding Me
Nothing Else Matters
Until it Sleeps
King Nothing
Wherever I May Roam
One
Fight Fire with Fire
Low Man's Lyric/Four Horseman (acoustic)
Motorbreath (acoustic)
Sad But True
Enter Sandman
Creeping Death
Getting Of Wolf and Man, Bleeding Me, Creeping Death and The Thing That Should Not Be was pretty awesome, even if that concert did make my ears bleed. :lol :lol
I worked with a guy that was a huge Gov't Mule fan, and he let me borrow a CD that had James Hetfield on a track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laiyABMgJMo
Het comes in on the 2nd verse. Always thought this was cool.
FUCK ME! I just listened to Coz's link and let it play, and the next song is even MORE KILLER HET!
Waylon Jennings' Outlaw Country CLASSIC as done by James (interpolating a little "Dukes of Hazard"). That gave me chills. This is some evidence that Metallica is holding him back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbaXAV56e7c
(Another good comment: "wow. what a great fuckin job. rocked them country titties right outta their tops.")
And the NEXT song is proof that he can sing: Deep Purple's "When A Blind Man Cries":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIY8x5gy7w
Fun Fact : James played every instrument on " This Outlaw Bit ".
Fun Fact 2 : because James recorded all rhythms on The Black Album and also played the solo on Nothing Else Matters ...
Kirk did not actually record a single note on the studio version.
It's amazing how much more infinitely melodic that solo is than any solo that Kirk played on TBA besides The Unforgiven. Same goes for James' solos in Master of Puppets and Orion for that album as well as his solo in Suicide & Redemption for Death Magnetic. And at this point in their careers, James' technical chops are far beyond Kirk's as well.
Kirk seems to be one of those guys that thinks "the weirder it is the better it is" and "the weirder I am, the better I am" and I hate that mentality. Someone go tell Gilmour he sucks because he's not "weird enough". Lukather is another one. Thousands of solos that are singable on the radio, and he's legend. I'd love for Kirk to actually LISTEN to the underlying track and try to build something on it for once.
Where can I get that? (I can Google it, but you seem to know about it...)
Where can I get that? (I can Google it, but you seem to know about it...)
The song or that info ?
Song dunno but one of the moderators on the Metallica Forum confirmed that James played everything on the studio version of " This Outlaw Bit ".
Breadfan (cover)
Master of Puppets
Of Wolf and Man
The Thing That Should Not Be
Fuel
The Memory Remains
Bleeding Me
Nothing Else Matters
Until it Sleeps
King Nothing
Wherever I May Roam
One
Fight Fire with Fire
Low Man's Lyric/Four Horseman (acoustic)
Motorbreath (acoustic)
Sad But True
Enter Sandman
Creeping Death
Getting Of Wolf and Man, Bleeding Me, Creeping Death and The Thing That Should Not Be was pretty awesome, even if that concert did make my ears bleed. :lol :lol
That's a pretty killer set Kev, good stuff.
FUCK ME! I just listened to Coz's link and let it play, and the next song is even MORE KILLER HET!
Waylon Jennings' Outlaw Country CLASSIC as done by James (interpolating a little "Dukes of Hazard"). That gave me chills. This is some evidence that Metallica is holding him back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbaXAV56e7c
(Another good comment: "wow. what a great fuckin job. rocked them country titties right outta their tops.")
And the NEXT song is proof that he can sing: Deep Purple's "When A Blind Man Cries":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIY8x5gy7w
Fun Fact : James played every instrument on " This Outlaw Bit ".
Where can I get that? (I can Google it, but you seem to know about it...)
I've given Death Magnetic another listen, and now I'm actually somewhat excited for the new record. I really only had three issues with DM. The production was awful, Kirk's solos blew, and there were some questionable songwriting choices. The first has already been fixed, and the shorter average song length will help mitigate the third. Though some songs were so overloaded with riffs that they lost cohesion, the riffs themselves were great. Kirk has a history of nearly ruining great songs with bad solos as far back as Master of Puppets, so I don't have any hope for his output on Hardwired. As long as the rest of the band, especially James, makes up for this weakness, this new album could be surprisingly solid.
I'll give that a shot. :tup
Edit: Damn, it sounds significantly better. :lol
Is that much different to the guitar hero versions?I've given Death Magnetic another listen, and now I'm actually somewhat excited for the new record. I really only had three issues with DM. The production was awful, Kirk's solos blew, and there were some questionable songwriting choices. The first has already been fixed, and the shorter average song length will help mitigate the third. Though some songs were so overloaded with riffs that they lost cohesion, the riffs themselves were great. Kirk has a history of nearly ruining great songs with bad solos as far back as Master of Puppets, so I don't have any hope for his output on Hardwired. As long as the rest of the band, especially James, makes up for this weakness, this new album could be surprisingly solid.
Have a listen to the previews of Death Magnetic remastered on iTunes. It's a lot better. Make sure it says " Mastered for iTunes " in a blue box in the corner ... :)
Is that much different to the guitar hero versions?I've given Death Magnetic another listen, and now I'm actually somewhat excited for the new record. I really only had three issues with DM. The production was awful, Kirk's solos blew, and there were some questionable songwriting choices. The first has already been fixed, and the shorter average song length will help mitigate the third. Though some songs were so overloaded with riffs that they lost cohesion, the riffs themselves were great. Kirk has a history of nearly ruining great songs with bad solos as far back as Master of Puppets, so I don't have any hope for his output on Hardwired. As long as the rest of the band, especially James, makes up for this weakness, this new album could be surprisingly solid.
Have a listen to the previews of Death Magnetic remastered on iTunes. It's a lot better. Make sure it says " Mastered for iTunes " in a blue box in the corner ... :)
Just imagine how many Hetfield songs we'll never hear because they weren't "metallica" songs.
And of course that stupid " no side projects " rule.
Although Rob still plays with other bands so who knows.
FUCK ME! I just listened to Coz's link and let it play, and the next song is even MORE KILLER HET!
Waylon Jennings' Outlaw Country CLASSIC as done by James (interpolating a little "Dukes of Hazard"). That gave me chills. This is some evidence that Metallica is holding him back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbaXAV56e7c
(Another good comment: "wow. what a great fuckin job. rocked them country titties right outta their tops.")
And the NEXT song is proof that he can sing: Deep Purple's "When A Blind Man Cries":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIY8x5gy7w
I'm ok with there not being a ballad, as long as there's a lot of melodies, which Rob said there are. I loved DM, but I feel the songs could've been WAY more melodic.
Never liked their ballads, unless you count Fade to Black (I wouldn't). The ballads were the worst part of DM. So that's fine by me.
I hope that by ballad, Lars meant - songs that are largely acoustic or clean electric guitar-based.
I personally would consider Fixxxer, Carpe Diem Baby, Unforgiven 2, etc. to be ballads, and I think there is still hope for that.
I hope that by ballad, Lars meant - songs that are largely acoustic or clean electric guitar-based.
I personally would consider Fixxxer, Carpe Diem Baby, Unforgiven 2, etc. to be ballads, and I think there is still hope for that.
I have no idea how you could consider Fixxxer or Carpe Diem Baby to be anything remotely similar to a ballad.
I hope that by ballad, Lars meant - songs that are largely acoustic or clean electric guitar-based.
I personally would consider Fixxxer, Carpe Diem Baby, Unforgiven 2, etc. to be ballads, and I think there is still hope for that.
I have no idea how you could consider Fixxxer or Carpe Diem Baby to be anything remotely similar to a ballad.
I guess our definitions of "ballad" may vary.
The Oxford English Dictionary defines it as "a slow sentimental or romantic song". I think both Fixxxer and Carpe Diem Baby are slow sentimental songs.
2nd new song is up!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sajHcUV0F68
2nd new song is up!!Better than the first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sajHcUV0F68
Load & Reload are both great. I really don't know what people's problem with them are.
Reload was one of my first Metallica albums and I love it.
Furthermore : I think that the weakest tracks on Reload are better than Load's weakest tracks.
i.e I'd rather listen to " Better Than You " than " Poor Twisted Me " any day.
i.e I'd rather listen to " Better Than You " than " Poor Twisted Me " any day.
Reload sounds amazing.
Wild Things especially.
Load & Reload are both great. I really don't know what people's problem with them are.
No Outlaw Torn or Fixxxer? Blasphemy.
Not totally happy with Fixxxer and Outlaw closing the album, but both have the feel of a closer to me, so I'm not quite sure how they could be placed otherwise on an album with both of them on it.
2X4 is a good choice, I might just have to add that, it'd be under 80 minutes still. Never been a fan of Ain't My Bitch and I actively dislike Slither, so that's the furthest that we'll be able to coordinate our tracklists, I'm afraid. :lol
Outlaw Torn on S&M is eargasms.
Oddly, I bought S&M when it came out, and honestly, I'm not sure I have ever listened to the whole thing.
Oddly, I bought S&M when it came out, and honestly, I'm not sure I have ever listened to the whole thing.
Outlaw Torn on S&M is eargasms.
Outlaw Torn on S&M is eargasms.
All 4 of the Load songs are superior on S&M IMO.
I haven't given any thought to a track order, but in terms if what songs I'd include, it would be-
Ain't My Bitch
2x4
Until It Sleeps
King Nothing
Hero of the Day
Bleeding Me
Fuel
The Memory Remains
Devil's Dance
The Unforgiven II
Slither
As I said, the three I'd include that you didn't aren't close to essential or amazing, but I still dig them if I'm listening through the albums. 2x4 actually has a pretty cool Sabbath-y groove to it with that riff. Good call on keeping Fuel as an opener too. Such a high energy and straightforward way to kick off the album. I think having two such long songs at the end would be a slog though.
A much better record than people give it credit for. I actually like it better than the "Black Album". In fact, "Bleeding Me" alone is better than the entire "Black Album."
A much better record than people give it credit for. I actually like it better than the "Black Album". In fact, "Bleeding Me" alone is better than the entire "Black Album."
Pick 2 songs from each studio album, one cover from Garage Inc and one of I Disappear, Minus Human or No Leaf Clover to make a 20 track best of.
Have never heard Garage Inc. since I don't care much about covers.
I agree that nothing on there is better than anything on Death Magnetic (though The Unforgiven III is in my top on that album, so...), but it is well ahead of St. Anger and Kill 'Em All IMO. And its tracks are just as much of Metallica songs as the three non-album tracks you listed before.
I agree that nothing on there is better than anything on Death Magnetic (though The Unforgiven III is in my top on that album, so...), but it is well ahead of St. Anger and Kill 'Em All IMO. And its tracks are just as much of Metallica songs as the three non-album tracks you listed before.
Wait....did you just say that Beyond Magnetic was well ahead of Kill 'Em All??
S&R isn't my fave but it's up there. It's a much better instrumental than TLITD imo....
Here are my least favourite songs from each studio album : :biggrin:
1. Pulling Teeth
2. Escape
3. Damage Inc ( but i love every song so its hard to choose )
4. To Live Is To Die
5. My Friend Of Misery
6. Poor Twisted Me
7. Slither
8. All Within My Hands
9. Unforgiven III
10. Rebel of Babylon ( Beyond Magnetic )
S&R isn't my fave but it's up there. It's a much better instrumental than TLITD imo....
Here are my least favourite songs from each studio album : :biggrin:
1. Pulling Teeth
2. Escape
3. Damage Inc ( but i love every song so its hard to choose )
4. To Live Is To Die
5. My Friend Of Misery
6. Poor Twisted Me
7. Slither
8. All Within My Hands
9. Unforgiven III
10. Rebel of Babylon ( Beyond Magnetic )
I actually think the worst song on Death Magnetic is The Day that Never Comes. The first half is fine, but the second is terribly forced and has some of the worst riffs they've ever recorded. Many of the songs on that album in general are brought down by a poor instrumental section/solo (The Judas Kiss, BB&S), or by simply being too goddamn long (The End of the Line, S&R). That Was Just Your Life has none of these issues, and Cyanide is close.I don't agree with it being the worst, but you're absolutely right about the second half of The Day that Never Comes being far, far worse than the first half (which I really like).
Well, thanks to you guys I'm gonna listen to Load for the first time tonight.
I actually think the worst song on Death Magnetic is The Day that Never Comes. The first half is fine, but the second is terribly forced and has some of the worst riffs they've ever recorded. Many of the songs on that album in general are brought down by a poor instrumental section/solo (The Judas Kiss, BB&S), or by simply being too goddamn long (The End of the Line, S&R). That Was Just Your Life has none of these issues, and Cyanide is close.I don't agree with it being the worst, but you're absolutely right about the second half of The Day that Never Comes being far, far worse than the first half (which I really like).
425 and "check it out on Spotify" are those two things that don't really go well together. :lol
I agree that nothing on there is better than anything on Death Magnetic (though The Unforgiven III is in my top on that album, so...), but it is well ahead of St. Anger and Kill 'Em All IMO. And its tracks are just as much of Metallica songs as the three non-album tracks you listed before.
Wait....did you just say that Beyond Magnetic was well ahead of Kill 'Em All??
425 and "check it out on Spotify" are those two things that don't really go well together. :lol
LOL, accurate. But seriously, while I may check it out at some point, I just really don't care about covers. When I'm watching a Metallica live video/listening to a Metallica live album and they go into one of the covers, I always find myself thinking "okay, can we get past this and play a real Metallica song?"I agree that nothing on there is better than anything on Death Magnetic (though The Unforgiven III is in my top on that album, so...), but it is well ahead of St. Anger and Kill 'Em All IMO. And its tracks are just as much of Metallica songs as the three non-album tracks you listed before.
Wait....did you just say that Beyond Magnetic was well ahead of Kill 'Em All??
Yes. Outtakes from the time after the band had actually learned how to write songs > unpolished album of thrashy riffs, screechy vocals and lyrics about killing people with rock music.
That's probably too harsh a description of KEA, but I really think it's just an okay album. Nothing special if you take away the context that the band took the best aspects of what they were doing at that time and developed them way more in the future. It's certainly not anything I would ever listen to outside of maybe The Four Horsemen if I didn't like their other stuff. Death Magnetic is a really good album, and while its outtakes are deservedly outtakes, they are fully composed songs that have musical and lyrical depth, and have decent vocal performances. Which places them ahead of at least half the tracks on KEA. Yeah, The Four Horsemen is better than those four tracks. Maybe Seek and Destroy and Phantom Lord, too. But that's probably about it.
Also I don't like thrash.
Least Favorite Tracks on Each Album:
1. Motorbreath (what a bland song)
2. Ride the Lightning (Escape is good fite me)
3. Battery (I don't like thrash)
4. The Shortest Straw (I don't like thrash)
5. Holier Than Thou
6. Wasting My Hate (why)
7. Better Than You (why x2)
8. My World (why x3)
9. My Apocalypse (guess why)
10. Hate Train (this has nothing special)
11. Hardwired (I don't like thrash)
I'm exaggerating how much I don't like thrash—I actually think Battery, The Shortest Straw and My Apocalypse are pretty good songs. But it's safe to say that Metallica's thrashy side is my least favorite side of them, so when it comes down to picking my least favorite songs on pretty consistent albums, guess what I'm going for?
On this list, I only actually think Better Than You and My World are bad songs. I think Motorbreath, Wasting My Hate, Hate Train (basically stop naming songs "hate"—also "my") and Hardwired are pretty bland (and Motorbreath's drug references and mumbly vocal melodies make me less keen on it). The other ones I actually like.
It just sucks that Garage Inc is most of the time represented in live shows by one of the worst songs Metallica has ever done: Whiskey in the Jar. wow, I hate that song so much.
The album is definitely worth a try, some absolute gold on there like Turn the Page (Bob Seger) and Astronomy (Blue Öyster Cult)
It just sucks that Garage Inc is most of the time represented in live shows by one of the worst songs Metallica has ever done: Whiskey in the Jar. wow, I hate that song so much.
The album is definitely worth a try, some absolute gold on there like Turn the Page (Bob Seger) and Astronomy (Blue Öyster Cult)
Death Magnetic worse than St. Anger ?
This is actually a really cool video. Dude made a demo to show what (instrumental parts) of Hardwired would have sounded like with the recording and tones of their first few albums.Cool video :tup
Makes me realize how much I don't really dig the new Metallica guitar tones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE2rgWFAO2A
1. Master of Puppets
2. The Black Album
3. Ride the Lightning
4. Load
5. ...And Justice For All
(Garage Inc.)
6. Kill 'Em All
7. Re-Load
8. St. Anger
9. Death Magnetic
I used to rate AJFA much higher and 'One' is definitely a top 3 Metallica song for me, maybe their best. But I revisited it and I realized that a lot of songs sound very samey. Nothing really sticks with me besides 'Blackened', 'One' and 'To Live is to Die'. The complexity was groundbreaking for the band, but the songs feel overly long and contrived. They were right on the money with TBA having hookier songs and just more groove-oriented IMO.
2. And Justice For All (although I can't really listen to it any more because of the production)Have you heard the Mastered for iTunes version? I think it sounds much better, but I've not done a proper side-by-side comparison so I can't tell whether I've just got so used to the original production and love the songs so much that actually it could be barely different. It's obviously the same mix so you still can't really hear the bass guitar, but the EQ of the master feels quite different and much fuller to me.
2. And Justice For All (although I can't really listen to it any more because of the production)Have you heard the Mastered for iTunes version? I think it sounds much better, but I've not done a proper side-by-side comparison so I can't tell whether I've just got so used to the original production and love the songs so much that actually it could be barely different. It's obviously the same mix so you still can't really hear the bass guitar, but the EQ of the master feels quite different and much fuller to me.
Blob, glad to see you rate KEA so high. :tup
It was really genre defining at the time, and yes, while the band was able to build up, or maybe improve upon, I feel it just doesn't get the respect it deserves. Looking at the rankings, it clearly doesn't.
It was really genre defining at the time, and yes, while the band was able to build up, or maybe improve upon, I feel it just doesn't get the respect it deserves. Looking at the rankings, it clearly doesn't.
"Reload clearly the leftovers "
That's why the worst songs of the lot are on Load.
Ronnie.
Cure.
Poor Twisted Me.
"Reload clearly the leftovers "
That's why the worst songs of the lot are on Load.
Ronnie.
Cure.
Poor Twisted Me.
I quite like all three of those, especially Ronnie. So, yeah, Reload is full of leftovers :corn
So, yeah, Reload is full of leftovers :corn
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.
So, yeah, Reload is full of leftovers :corn
Factually speaking, some of the songs on ReLoad were left over from the Load sessions, which makes them leftovers, regardless of quality. :tup :tup
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.
Oh do grow up.
' I don't like this so nobody else must :angry: "
That has to be the weirdest Robert Carlyle gif yet, I barely even recognize him!
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.
Oh do grow up.
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.
Certainly has more great songs than Kill 'Em All.
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.
Certainly has more great songs than Kill 'Em All.
Great Songs and Reload can never be used in the same sentence.
Certainly has more great songs than Kill 'Em All.
It does. And it doesn't have an ego stroking bass solo as a song.
Do you really think that all 10 songs on Kill Em All are Metallica Classics ?
Thank you young child.
Do you really think any of the songs on Reload are Metallica classics?
Do you really think any of the songs on Reload are Metallica classics?
Reload is nowhere nearKill 'Em All but it isa really good album.
"Reload clearly the leftovers "
That's why the worst songs of the lot are on Load.
Ronnie.
Cure.
Poor Twisted Me.
Reload is nowhere nearKill 'Em All but it isa really good album.
;D
OK, I'm done. Can you guys name one song off of Reload that I should listen to? First track that gets 3 mentions will be the one. Apparently I'm missing something.
"Reload clearly the leftovers "
That's why the worst songs of the lot are on Load.
Ronnie.
Cure.
Poor Twisted Me.
It was really genre defining at the time, and yes, while the band was able to build up, or maybe improve upon, I feel it just doesn't get the respect it deserves. Looking at the rankings, it clearly doesn't.
I basically agree with all of this. Even Cure has a really awesome riff, it's just a rubbish song once the vocal sections come in."Reload clearly the leftovers "
That's why the worst songs of the lot are on Load.
Ronnie.
Cure.
Poor Twisted Me.
Cure is the only song I actually dislike on Load, while ReLoad has four or five songs that are worth listening to, the rest is simply bland and forgettable.
Re: Kill 'em AllIt was really genre defining at the time, and yes, while the band was able to build up, or maybe improve upon, I feel it just doesn't get the respect it deserves. Looking at the rankings, it clearly doesn't.
I recognize and appreciate the influence this album had and I like the raw energy of it, but the songs mostly don't work for me. Maybe it would have been different if I heard KEA at the time when it came out. I came to know Metallica with Master Of Puppets and then made my way backwards.
So, yeah, Reload is full of leftovers :corn
Factually speaking, some of the songs on ReLoad were left over from the Load sessions, which makes them leftovers, regardless of quality. :tup :tup
Fixxxer alone is better than all of KEA.
The Unforgiven II alone is better than all of KEA.
Where the Wild Things Are, Low Man's Lyric, The Memory Remains—any of these alone are better than all of KEA.
TAC, I'd say exactly one of the songs you listed is even anywhere near to being a great song—The Four Horsemen. That one would rate 6th on Reload for me.
The other ones you listed are good, but nowhere near great. Those would rate below the aforementioned five plus Fuel on Reload. Most if not all of them would rate below Devil's Dance. Some would rate below Slither Some would not. Let's try this:
Fixxxer
Low Man's Lyric
The Unforgiven II
Where the Wild Things Are
The Memory Remains
The Four Horsemen
Fuel
Devil's Dance
Seek and Destroy
Phantom Lord
Slither
Metal Militia
Hit the Lights
Whiplash
This seems about right to me. I also rank Jump in the Fire and maybe No Remorse ahead of Metal Militia.
And should serve to emphasize a few things about my Metallica tastes:
The Load era is my favorite era of Metallica.
I do not think Kill 'Em All is a particularly strong album.
I do not particularly care for thrash.
TAC and I are not a match. Beyond thrash/not-thrash, the big difference maker is that TAC seems to like the classic metal stuff best, while I like the experimental stuff best. I like Metallica very best when they're not being what we expect Metallica to be. And I like them least when they're doing what I would consider basic thrash.
P.S.: I would rate all of The Black Album and Death Magnetic ahead of all of Kill 'Em All save The Four Horsemen.
EDIT: I'm listening to Reload right now and I like Prince Charming more than I remember. It's certainly good enough to potentially rival Whiplash.
So, yeah, Reload is full of leftovers :corn
Factually speaking, some of the songs on ReLoad were left over from the Load sessions, which makes them leftovers, regardless of quality. :tup :tup
Hehe!
There is a very angwy person posting in this thread but I can't understand why he appears to be taking it all so personally :lol
I can't believe you spent that much time defending a poor album.
Every Metallica album has something about it that makes it great. It's kind of silly to me that everyon is arguing over two albums in the band's discography when the simple answer is that they're both awesome.
QuoteI can't believe you spent that much time defending a poor album.
He wasn't defending Kill Em All.
So it took 9 minutes and 59 seconds to write then?QuoteI can't believe you spent that much time defending a poor album.
He wasn't defending Kill Em All.
A+ post right here.
Also, Prog Snob, that post was like 300 words. How much time do you think I spent on it? If your answer is higher than "10 minutes," you're quite mistaken.
Also, Prog Snob, that post was like 300 words. How much time do you think I spent on it? If your answer is higher than "10 minutes," you're quite mistaken.So it took 9 minutes and 59 seconds to write then?
Seriously guys.....there's a new Metallica album coming out. We even have a track list.
And THIS is the discussion we're having? FOR SHAME.
I actually kinda like Cure :p
Lyrically, I'd say Het went downhill hard on St. Anger (though to be fair, some of that, like "MY LIFESTYLE DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE," can be blamed on Kirk or Lars).
At least with DM, though, the lyrics are pretty inoffensive. A majority of the songs are just generic metal imagery that is neither notably good nor notably bad. Some of them seem personal, yes, but it's hard to get much out of them. Usually you can tell what he's singing about but don't really get anything too compelling out of it. At best you get a clever turn of phrase ("Like a poison / That I swallow / But I want the world to die") and at worst you get a line that sounds like it means nothing ("Reaper... butchery / Karma amputee") or is a bit cheesy ("love is a four letter word").
QuoteI can't believe you spent that much time defending a poor album.
He wasn't defending Kill Em All.
A+ post right here.
Also, Prog Snob, that post was like 300 words. How much time do you think I spent on it? If your answer is higher than "10 minutes," you're quite mistaken.
I agree again, but I still liked the lyrics on DM, generic metal lyrics is better than St. Anger lyrics.
But also I think it's very unfair to compare troubled, violent drunk, "I can't hear you motherfuckers!" pre-rehab Hetfield to the sober, well adjusted, take the kids to school, wo't sing So What again, can only tour 2 weeks at a time, "You're the Metallica family" happy Hetfield. It's not the same guy and I personally don't compare them as such.
And I think this a good case for why he shouldn't try to go back to writing some form of immature, violent lyrics for the new album.
Completely agree. And I think this a good case for why he shouldn't try to go back to writing some form of immature, violent lyrics for the new album.
Jason Newsted & The Chophouse Band (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTo3HF976hg&feature=youtu.be)Oh, that's awesome!
Pretty cool stuff, like his voice. I liked his Newstedt stuff so i'm not surprised but still, cool hearing him sing stuff like this.
Jason Newsted & The Chophouse Band (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTo3HF976hg&feature=youtu.be)
Pretty cool stuff, like his voice. I liked his Newstedt stuff so i'm not surprised but still, cool hearing him sing stuff like this.
I thought the NEWSTED album was generic as fuck and really badly produced.
I thought the NEWSTED album was generic as fuck and really badly produced.
I never heard it but I will take your word on it and listen to The Astonishing instead.
"Most of the songs are simpler. We introduce a mood and we stick to it, rather than songs we've done where one riff happens and we go over here and then over there and becomes a journey through all these different soundscapes. The songs are more linear."
Mainly in the 2004 tour. But the whole band was shonky as hell on that tour.Agreed. I recently watched a 2003 show on Youtube, don't remember exactly which one it was, and they were really really good there.
James had zero grit in his voice. Lars was rushing all over the place. The band weren't tight at all.
Just one year before that - they were super tight and firing on all cylinders and they've never quite got back to that level.
Kirk's leads aside - they're all pretty good these days.
There's a show called " London Riverside Studios " and everything is mixed with zero reverb and it's tight as hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGwYiz1TiA
On the albums, does Kirk only record the solos and that's it? Or does he record other rhythm and lead parts? i
And another question, why did Kirk need all those riffs he recorded on his iPhone if he's not even a part of the writing process? Because it sure seems like his only role is coming in to record his solos and that's it.
There's a show called " London Riverside Studios " and everything is mixed with zero reverb and it's tight as hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGwYiz1TiA
Of course it sounds tight, the only things audible are guitars and hi hats. Those are the three things they're best at!
Remember Tomorrow was the first thing they recorded with Rob Trujillo.
It was a while ago now.
Interesting they didn't include the Kinks cover.
I'm not. I don't care about demoes. It's basically the album again but worse quality.
After 8 years and we don't even get any NEW cover songs. So Lazy.
Love all the people actually whinging about the contents of Disc 3 when Metallics were in no way required to include a third disc.
:angry: We're getting a bonus disc of a load of live songs, covers and a 13th song recorded for the album but left off ?
Fuck You Metallica. That's not exactly what *I* Wanted !!!
so giving an opinion is now considered whining? noted.
Love all the people actually whinging about the contents of Disc 3 when Metallics were in no way required to include a third disc.
:angry: We're getting a bonus disc of a load of live songs, covers and a 13th song recorded for the album but left off ?
Fuck You Metallica. That's not exactly what *I* Wanted !!!
While I am totally cool with what they're doing, this isn't as much a case of "It's not what I wanted" as "It's not what they originally promised". Since Metallica had already announced a different version of this and then went and changed it, it's reasonable some people just didn't like the change.
Will the third disc just end up increasing the price? This is generally why I don't like bonus discs. I don't listen to the bonus more than once if at all unless it's really good.
Personally not interested in any of the extras, I'm just hoping the album itself is solid. :tup
Personally not interested in any of the extras, I'm just hoping the album itself is solid. :tup
100% But it's nice to get extras. They don't make the main album better or worse.
so giving an opinion is now considered whining? noted.
Nope.
Whining about getting something extra which is completely optional.
Like if The Astonishing had an entire third disc of cover songs and going " :angry: I don't like any of those songs...Not Buying the album "
Personally not interested in any of the extras, I'm just hoping the album itself is solid. :tup
100% But it's nice to get extras. They don't make the main album better or worse.
Of course! I have nothing against the extras, and they're great if you like to have something more, they're just not a priority for me personally.
Of course! I have nothing against the extras, and they're great if you like to have something more, they're just not a priority for me personally.
Why do you hate the new album already?
Prediction: Atlas Rise will be over 9 minutes in length.
Ride sounds good but Justice and Black sound like a Line6 POD
Ride sounds good but Justice and Black sound like a Line6 POD
Nobody will ever be able to replicate the sound of The Black Album. It's perfect production wise.
BUT - he says that Hardwired...To Self Destruct is less progressive than Death Magnetic and a lot more focused on grooves. Which is FINE by me.
I thought Hardwired showed promise at least in the arrangement department.
If they can apply that level of precision to the longer songs - we might get a couple of Master of Puppets style long songs and less Invisible Kid.
I've been talking about this since the announcement! They said in the official announcement, "Two discs, nearly 80 minutes of music is coming your way." So it's long been clear that this is a single album pointless made into a double album.
Yes, I am a little salty that no one took serious notice of it even though I think I mentioned it twice in the thread. :P
I've been talking about this since the announcement! They said in the official announcement, "Two discs, nearly 80 minutes of music is coming your way." So it's long been clear that this is a single album pointless made into a double album.
Yes, I'm a little salty that no one took serious notice of it even though I think I mentioned it twice in the thread. :P
Isn't spreading stuff out across two discs one of those tricks to artificially inflate the number of albums sold? Because each copy counts as two albums, and all that.
I've been talking about this since the announcement! They said in the official announcement, "Two discs, nearly 80 minutes of music is coming your way." So it's long been clear that this is a single album pointless made into a double album.
Yes, I am a little salty that no one took serious notice of it even though I think I mentioned it twice in the thread. :P
I recall talking about it quite a bit a few weeks ago.
Anyone else find it weird that, until Hardwired gets released, Rob has only bee on one official Metallica album?
Anyone else find it weird that, until Hardwired gets released, Rob has only bee on one official Metallica album?
I imagine the money from touring and the lifestyle make up for it.
Yes. Joined the band in 2003 and up til today has been on ONE officially released Metallica album.
in 13 years.
But also - Beyond Magnetic, Through The Never, Lulu, Ronnie Rising, When A Blind Man Cries, Remember Tomorrow, You Really Got Me...
Yes . But it's also not like he recorded Death Magnetic and nothing else in his 13 years.
I find it weirder that James, Lars, & Kirk have only been on 9 of them.
Does having less length on a CD contribute to sound quality? I'm probably confusing that with cassettes or LPs.
Does having less length on a CD contribute to sound quality? I'm probably confusing that with cassettes or LPs.
It either fits, or it doesn't, always the same quality.
Does having less length on a CD contribute to sound quality? I'm probably confusing that with cassettes or LPs.
ZYDAR! :getoffmylawn:
Songs time lenghts: https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/cd/3cd-digi/metallica-hardwired-to-self-destruct.html
CD 1:
1 . Hardwired 03:09
2 . Atlas, Rise! 06:28
3 . Now That We're Dead 06:59
4 . Moth Into Flame 05:50
5 . Dream No More 06:29
6 . Halo On Fire 08:15
CD 2:
1 . Confusion 06:43
2 . ManUNkind 06:55
3 . Here Comes Revenge 07:17
4 . Am I Savage? 06:30
5 . Murder One 05:45
6 . Spit Out The Bone 07:09
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :tup
:lol :lol :lol Well, I made that with truly good intentions! :angel:
Now, back to topic, Vulcan! :corn
Kirk has the wah pedal in front of him :(
How do they justify this being a double album when it can fit on one CD? I think it's even shorter than Load.
And Lords of Summer 2016 studio recording is on disc 3. It's a shorter runtime than the demo versions so hopefully it's had an overhaul.
:lol Some people on the Metallica forum are *adamant* that because this new album is only 6 tracks and under 40 mins per disc -
- that it's not actually an album - it's a double EP.
12 tracks and 77 minutes and it's not an album. :lol What a time to be alive.
:lol Some people on the Metallica forum are *adamant* that because this new album is only 6 tracks and under 40 mins per disc -
- that it's not actually an album - it's a double EP.
12 tracks and 77 minutes and it's not an album. :lol What a time to be alive.
But again, the song is quite forgettable. Has Hetfield forgotten how to write a vocal melody?Not to mention I find the chords in the verses quite similar to both The "Time, has taken its toll on you" part of The Four Horsemen, and the verses in The End of the Line (But slower)
Stylistically this is a crapload better than Hardwired, not balls to the wall thrash, some vocal harmonies in the pre-chorus, and Kirk's soloing is greatly improved since DM. I also love the production. No complaints there.
But again, the song is quite forgettable (but again, better than Hardwired). Has Hetfield forgotten how to write a vocal melody? The verses are identical to Hardwired, basically the same notes repeatedly. You can sing a metal song without sticking to the root note! At 6 minutes long, it didn't feel drawn out, it felt justified, pretty straight up structure, more like TBA, which I liked. And I'm glad there will be vocal harmonies, because DM was severely lacking there.
I'm losing faith they can even write songs as strong as DM any more, but given the better style and production here, I hope they can manage something I really enjoy on the album. :dunno:
Has Hetfield forgotten how to write a vocal melody? The verses are identical to Hardwired, basically the same notes repeatedly. You can sing a metal song without sticking to the root note!
Hardwired is still terrible as fuck but this one is actually pretty good! Has some cool DM-esque grooves.
I wouldn't say this is better than anything on DM apart from My Apocalypse, but I would still be very happy if this album was almost as good as DM.
Has Hetfield forgotten how to write a vocal melody? The verses are identical to Hardwired, basically the same notes repeatedly. You can sing a metal song without sticking to the root note!
Vocal line doesn't have to have a lot of pitch variation to be catchy, and verses here are a good example. It has a solid groove!
There are only so many times you can do the exact same thing without it sounding generic and indistinct, which is the case with both new songs. Thrash E string, grunt out E over the top. For a band of 30+ years, I expect a lot more effort and ability than that.
Why did it take them 8 years to write this? It sounds so phoned in.
Why did it take them 8 years to write this? It sounds so phoned in.
It didn't.
They didn't start working on this the second DM was released. They toured for 2 years, made a movie, a music festival, and then worked on this.
There's no pleasing some people. :lol
At any rate, it's an incredibly weak effort imo.
And some people are apparently too easy to please! :biggrin:
And some people are apparently too easy to please! :biggrin:
God forbid I like the new song from one of my favourite bands.
Well Metallica it's a killer track, I grant you. There's vocal harmonies which were sorely missing on the last album. The production is great. Finally. Well done there. The solos sound composed
which is a huge step up from the last one. The structure is nice and doesn't sound as copy and paste as the last one either.
BUT THE VERSE MELODY COULD BE BETTER 0/100 FUCK YOU TRY AGAIN :angry:
Hell yeah, fuckin awesome song!!!
For modern day Metallica, this is as good as it can get. I'm more than satisfied
I dunno. I guess i'm a little over excited by it :)
I'm not sure what more you could want from a new Metallica song. It's got everything imo. It's catchy as fuck.
Het's vocals sound soooo much better. That's one big check mark checked for the new album.
Het's vocals sound soooo much better. That's one big check mark checked for the new album.
The sad thing is - someone isolated his vocal track for Cyanide and he had loads of grit and anger on it - but DM's horrible production means it was entirely lost.
Het's vocals sound soooo much better. That's one big check mark checked for the new album.
The sad thing is - someone isolated his vocal track for Cyanide and he had loads of grit and anger on it - but DM's horrible production means it was entirely lost.
Absolutely, I blame most of the difference between this new stuff and DM stuff on the production. Little harmony and reverb go a long way, huh?
I don't judge music as a checklist of attributes, otherwise it would pass easily here. I love the direction. I judge based on songwriting, which I don't find catchy in the slightest. As I said, the vocal melody is largely repeating the same note over (just like Hardwired did), over a riff of mostly thrashing E. That's not catchy to me. Even the early thrash stuff where Hetfield's voice was at its most unrefined has a lot more melody than this, not to mention the classic riffage. I'm glad you like it. I wish I could be excited by something Metallica does in 2016.
I don't judge music as a checklist of attributes, otherwise it would pass easily here. I love the direction. I judge based on songwriting, which I don't find catchy in the slightest. As I said, the vocal melody is largely repeating the same note over (just like Hardwired did), over a riff of mostly thrashing E. That's not catchy to me. Even the early thrash stuff where Hetfield's voice was at its most unrefined has a lot more melody than this, not to mention the classic riffage. I'm glad you like it. I wish I could be excited by something Metallica does in 2016.
Generally speaking, I pretty much agree with your assessment of the song, if you judge it against the stuff they did in their prime, it's not very good. My frame of reference was DM. So I automatically compared this new track in my mind to DM, so for me the impression was better.
Production wise at least - this is how Death Magnetic should have sounded all along.
I liked it.
Not a classic, but enjoyable, which I can't say about anything Metallica has done since S&M.
Metallica is doing a club show at Webster Hall in NYC tomorrow. That would be amazing to see.
Metallica is doing a club show at Webster Hall in NYC tomorrow. That would be amazing to see.
Yeah, I may try to find a ticket on CL or something.
New song seems decent enough.
I've been pretty critical of Metallica over the past few years but Moth into the Flame is the best new Metallica song I've heard in almost 20 years. This could have been on the Black Album. I'm officially excited for the new album.
I've been pretty critical of Metallica over the past few years but Moth into the Flame is the best new Metallica song I've heard in almost 20 years. This could have been on the Black Album. I'm officially excited for the new album.
:hifive:
Easily the best they've sounded on an album since Garage Inc Disc 1 - which is one of the best sounding rock albums ever.
Sonically, this was even better than Hardwired, which had it's issues.
The lead guitars sound very smooth and Kirk's solos sounded....in time....which is a big improvement.
Probably because the DM solos were like
• Don't come up with a solo
• Hit RECORD
• PLAY WHATEVER
Pretty decent song. Like it better than the first single.
Probably because the DM solos were like
• Don't come up with a solo
• Hit RECORD
• PLAY WHATEVER
Yeah, clearly not a formula that worked well for Kirk, IMO. I think his best solo work was on albums that he worked on his solos ahead of time, thought out and composed stuff, and then was challenged and pushed even further once entering the studio to record, basically the Bob approach.
On Death Magnetic it was a rule apparently that all 4 guys have a riff in every song.
Metallica is doing a club show at Webster Hall in NYC tomorrow. That would be amazing to see.
Yeah, I may try to find a ticket on CL or something.
New song seems decent enough.
Good luck, the couple listings on ebay have them at 10k a piece. That will be one heck of an experience, but if you find something of decent price, let me know. If that were Iron Maiden (my favorite band) I could see myself shelling out over 1k to see them perform in a club.
Metallica is doing a club show at Webster Hall in NYC tomorrow. That would be amazing to see.
Yeah, I may try to find a ticket on CL or something.
New song seems decent enough.
Good luck, the couple listings on ebay have them at 10k a piece. That will be one heck of an experience, but if you find something of decent price, let me know. If that were Iron Maiden (my favorite band) I could see myself shelling out over 1k to see them perform in a club.
Yeah, I saw one or two listings on CL for $500 a piece, which doesn't seem too absurd given everything. Obviously there are risks with CL but I haven't been burned in the past.
Did anyone notice that Lars is playing a slightly smaller kit??
He has only one rack tom! Or am I not seeing it?
Did anyone notice that Lars is playing a slightly smaller kit??
He has only one rack tom! Or am I not seeing it?
Looks like it's probably just for the video, he's gone smaller for videos before.
I think the song is pretty fucking cool actually. Kirk still sucks, but whatever.
I think the song is pretty fucking cool actually. Kirk still sucks, but whatever.
One of the main problems I had with the DM production was how dry the vocals were recorded. I'm liking the clear announciation that Hetfield has on these 2 songs as well as the reverb!
Either a) what the fuck happened to this band? or b) what happened to my taste?
That's how I felt in 1991!
Today is the 30th anniversary of Cliff Burton's death.
Today is the 30th anniversary of Cliff Burton's death.
Was just about to post this.
(https://skullsnbones.com/snb/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/cliff-burton.jpg)
I still think the question of what would Metallica be today if Cliff didn't die is the biggest mystery in modern music history. Would he have stayed in the band? Would the black album have happened? Would Metallica be as big as they are?
Liking the new track a lot more than DM! Kirk actually playing something melodic without it sounding bad is nice.
This is all I could think of at first though - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWCMRm2hrcQ
Pretty sweet setlist from the club show last night in NYC:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2016/webster-hall-new-york-ny-73fde2b9.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2016/webster-hall-new-york-ny-73fde2b9.html)
Constant Motion is an ok song on an ok album that owes a huge debt to Metallica.
Well, now I want to hear Dream Theater play Constant Motion but with Hetfield doing MP's vocals.
And I like Constant Motion. I know that means I have bad music taste in the eyes of DTF, but I think it's a good track. One of their best? No, not at all, but that doesn't mean it isn't good.
Well, now I want to hear Dream Theater play Constant Motion but with Hetfield doing MP's vocals.
And I like Constant Motion. I know that means I have bad music taste in the eyes of DTF, but I think it's a good track. One of their best? No, not at all, but that doesn't mean it isn't good.
I enjoy it plenty as a fun little throwaway track. To me it's the music equivalent of a summer action movie in that there's fun stuff in there but no real substance.
Today is the 30th anniversary of Cliff Burton's death.
Was just about to post this.
(https://skullsnbones.com/snb/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/cliff-burton.jpg)
He still is and always will be my all time favorite bassist. The influence he has had on my playing is immesurable. I would not be playing bass today if it wasn't for Cliff.
I loved everything Kirk did except the solo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6p1Ck0ab80
Today is the 30th anniversary of Cliff Burton's death.
Was just about to post this.
(https://skullsnbones.com/snb/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/cliff-burton.jpg)
He still is and always will be my all time favorite bassist. The influence he has had on my playing is immesurable. I would not be playing bass today if it wasn't for Cliff.
Is that a small scale bass or was he just an exceptionally large man?
I loved everything Kirk did except the solo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6p1Ck0ab80
(https://67.media.tumblr.com/2ee30999f091e79442da026a0b9a7ffe/tumblr_mh7zp1Qfbi1rln3k2o1_500.jpg)
Triple post for triple effect?
I say this almost every time I see something like this, but James is so fucking cool.
Might be Het's voice is no longer working for me. I don't know what it is. I just know I'm less than impressed.
At least there is backup vocals on Hardwired...To Self Destruct.
There was none on Death Magnetic and it was really lacking.
I've never heard of long CDs affecting sound quality. This isn't vinyl, it's all digital. Playback issues is more valid, but I think that's only a concern if you're using an old machine.
Those sound like bullshit reasons to me.
:lolpalm:
What's wrong with " Because they wanted to " ?
If worrying about sound quality is a bullshit excuse - what do you imagine Metallica's secret ulterior motive is ? It's not to get double sales figures. That only counts on albums over 100 minutes.
James said it costs more to make it a double album so charging more doesn't really count. Why charge more if it costs you more at the same time ?
https://metallica.com/videos/31539/plow-the-making-of-moth-into-flame
The Making of Moth Into Flame.
https://metallica.com/videos/31539/plow-the-making-of-moth-into-flame
The Making of Moth Into Flame.
Pretty cool. Standard footage, just the boys getting down to business. I chuckled at the random cat walking around in the control room lol
https://metallica.com/videos/31539/plow-the-making-of-moth-into-flame
The Making of Moth Into Flame.
Pretty cool. Standard footage, just the boys getting down to business. I chuckled at the random cat walking around in the control room lol
Right, he had that in the sample video a few months back
One of Het's cats is called Tabs of course :lol
In college, we named our hamster Kirk.
https://metallica.com/videos/31510/hardwired-live-on-the-howard-stern-show
So Kirk Hammett doesn't have a single writing credit on this album.
Good ? Bad ? Yes he came up with the Sandman riff and the "Die!" section of Creeping Death..
What has he done since then ?
So Kirk Hammett doesn't have a single writing credit on this album.
Good ? Bad ? Yes he came up with the Sandman riff and the "Die!" section of Creeping Death..
What has he done since then ?
Well I know Kirk wrote hundreds of riffs.....and then lost his phone with all of them on it. But I figure if his role in the band is only to play solos, then he wouldn't even bother trying to write that many riffs.
Well I know Kirk wrote hundreds of riffs.....and then lost his phone with all of them on it. But I figure if his role in the band is only to play solos, then he wouldn't even bother trying to write that many riffs.
So Kirk Hammett doesn't have a single writing credit on this album.
Good ? Bad ? Yes he came up with the Sandman riff and the "Die!" section of Creeping Death..
What has he done since then ?
Hundreds of riffs? For this one album?
The Riffmaster General, Tony Iommi, has barely written "hundreds of riffs" in his entire career.
So Kirk Hammett doesn't have a single writing credit on this album.
Good ? Bad ? Yes he came up with the Sandman riff and the "Die!" section of Creeping Death..
What has he done since then ?
Are you for real?? :facepalm:
Kirk has numerous writing credits on some of Metallica's greatest songs. He contributed riffs to Trapped Under Ice, Master of Puppets, Damage Inc (the fucking incredible middle section one), Hero of the Day... and that's just to name a handful out of dozens of songs.
Great Post, Mask!
I like the new song, but considering how I'm not going insane over it I've realized something that well, it's really nothing new to me but I understood it clearly now...
I still consider myself a Metallica fan, but simply put, the fire and the passion is no longer there for me, towards them. They were one of the first metal bands I listened to, 20 years ago, and so they shaped a lot my defition of what heavy metal was supposed to me. Have a laugh with this naive opinion, with my musical tastes still developing as a young kid, I considered Creeping Death the "heaviest and most brutal song ever made", I couldn't imagine something even heavier and faster, haha!
Anyway, I fell in love like any metalhead with the stuff up until the Black Album, and the first album that I was anticipating as a fan was Load. Regardless of how the album aged and how it has been revaluated over time, c'mon, let's admit it, we all hated it back in 1996 when it came out. Plus there was the Napster thing, the sudden change of look and style, ReLoad filled with bad songs only a year after etc... basically Metallica were not so cool anymore.
Garage INC was all covers, and the orchestra album was just a side thing, it took them 6 years after ReLoad to come up with a new album... and it was St. Anger. Ugh.
By the time the shock of that atrocity has passed, another 5 years have gone. It was 2008 and Death Magnetic came... too little, too late.
I saw them live for the first and so far only time in 2011, with the Big 4 tour: it was awesome! I truly and really liked it, awesome setlist (with only ONE song post Black album, go figure...), and I really felt drawn to their music again.
And then, well, they disappeared AGAIN only to resurface in these days.
To put it short, Metallica took an hell of a time to release albums, and with various degrees of letdown. Too little over too much time to resparkle the initial fire of when I discovered them, I still love dearly the first part of their carrer but with them it's not a matter of staying a fan - it's a matter of seeing every 5 years or more if the new stuff doesn't suck or not.
So while I will surely listen with interest to the new album, I guess they'll never really "bring me back" for good, they're gonna disappear until 2022 anyway.
I like the new song, but considering how I'm not going insane over it I've realized something that well, it's really nothing new to me but I understood it clearly now...
I still consider myself a Metallica fan, but simply put, the fire and the passion is no longer there for me, towards them. They were one of the first metal bands I listened to, 20 years ago, and so they shaped a lot my defition of what heavy metal was supposed to me. Have a laugh with this naive opinion, with my musical tastes still developing as a young kid, I considered Creeping Death the "heaviest and most brutal song ever made", I couldn't imagine something even heavier and faster, haha!
Anyway, I fell in love like any metalhead with the stuff up until the Black Album, and the first album that I was anticipating as a fan was Load. Regardless of how the album aged and how it has been revaluated over time, c'mon, let's admit it, we all hated it back in 1996 when it came out. Plus there was the Napster thing, the sudden change of look and style, ReLoad filled with bad songs only a year after etc... basically Metallica were not so cool anymore.
Garage INC was all covers, and the orchestra album was just a side thing, it took them 6 years after ReLoad to come up with a new album... and it was St. Anger. Ugh.
By the time the shock of that atrocity has passed, another 5 years have gone. It was 2008 and Death Magnetic came... too little, too late.
I saw them live for the first and so far only time in 2011, with the Big 4 tour: it was awesome! I truly and really liked it, awesome setlist (with only ONE song post Black album, go figure...), and I really felt drawn to their music again.
And then, well, they disappeared AGAIN only to resurface in these days.
To put it short, Metallica took an hell of a time to release albums, and with various degrees of letdown. Too little over too much time to resparkle the initial fire of when I discovered them, I still love dearly the first part of their carrer but with them it's not a matter of staying a fan - it's a matter of seeing every 5 years or more if the new stuff doesn't suck or not.
So while I will surely listen with interest to the new album, I guess they'll never really "bring me back" for good, they're gonna disappear until 2022 anyway.
I know people are trying to forget this album ever existed, but I'm listening to Lulu in its entirety for the first time in years.
It still fascinates me. Any appreciation at all?
Lulu is an album that seems to have unfortunately gotten the worst of both worlds from the fans.
A lot of Lou Reed fans saw the Metallica label and considered it too pedestrian for their tastes, while Metallica fans called it utter shite as soon as there's any hint of 'weirdness' or experimentation on it.
Lulu is an album that seems to have unfortunately gotten the worst of both worlds from the fans.
A lot of Lou Reed fans saw the Metallica label and considered it too pedestrian for their tastes, while Metallica fans called it utter shite as soon as there's any hint of 'weirdness' or experimentation on it.
It's possible to just not dig something without it being due to ignorance or stubbornness or anything like that.
Also, you don't have to be a Metallica fan or a Lou Reed fan to be turned off by the style of Lulu. Not every mass opinion is from bandwagoning.
I still think that's why they did the collaboration to begin with. They both have some of the most opinionated passionate fans in the world, they probably wanted to piss off both fanbases.Very well said. Both Metallica and Lou Reed fans can get very critical and negative. There was no way to steer the project in such direction that would please the fans to begin with. From the get go, it was obvious that people would have trouble with it. But that's what enabled them to be completely free and spontaneous, I think.
Lulu is an album that seems to have unfortunately gotten the worst of both worlds from the fans.
A lot of Lou Reed fans saw the Metallica label and considered it too pedestrian for their tastes, while Metallica fans called it utter shite as soon as there's any hint of 'weirdness' or experimentation on it.
That's a super judgmental perspective. I like weird music just fine. I just didn't like Lulu. It's possible to just not dig something without it being due to ignorance or stubbornness or anything like that.
https://youtu.be/tj3XWYQoQio?t=2m24s
This is worse.
https://youtu.be/tj3XWYQoQio?t=2m24s
This is worse.
I appreciate Lulu for giving Botchamania more material.bandwagoning.JEEZUS
If Moth Into Flame was on ...And Justice For All:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3TBfBDeCPo
If Moth Into Flame was on ...And Justice For All:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3TBfBDeCPo
Those guitars - they sound like your sinuses are all blocked up.
They've done videos for 5 songs in total. Nobody knows which order they're coming out or for what song this current video is for.
Confirmed videos = Dream No More and Now That We're Dead.
Maybe they're super proud of this new album and want to promote the shit out of it to let everyone know that they're back .
And this time the production is great too.
IMO - lots of people use YouTube to listen to music. Why not do a budget video for each song on the album instead of just streaming the audio ?
It'll probably bring in more revenue if people are watching all the videos.
Maybe they're super proud of this new album and want to promote the shit out of it to let everyone know that they're back .
And this time the production is great too.
IMO - lots of people use YouTube to listen to music. Why not do a budget video for each song on the album instead of just streaming the audio ?
It'll probably bring in more revenue if people are watching all the videos.
All of these combined, probably.
They did Moth Into Flame and Dream No More in the same day
So What!
:lol
It's all on the MetClub news side...
So What!
:lol
It's all on the MetClub news side...
Hmm I need to look into this stuff more
I think they should troll everyone and make a brand new video for Jump in the Fire.
Not a recording mind you, but the original 1983 recording, but a new video of them lipsyncing to it.
www.metallica.com/atlasrise
Short teaser of Atlas Rise.
Eh that was the most DM sounding song yet (of the whole almost 3 we got). Didn't really dig it, and the production sounded way worse than the other two, but I'll just assume that's due to whatever they used to put in online and the album version will be fine.
Either way, meh.
I can't believe how good this sounds.
Hit the Lights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9hbzV2dYgc
Metallica are doing a music video for every track on the album for You Tube purposes.
https://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/entertainment/metallica-shakes-it-up
Makes sense to me. If you're the type of person that doesn't care about audio quality and listen to music primarily on YouTube - you may as well have a video to watch instead
of just streaming the new album. Plus more views = more revenue.
The videos for Hardwired and Moth Into Flame combined have got around 30 million views as it is.
I was hoping for a nice long Making Of like we got for Death Magnetic but this will do too.
Doing a video for every song sounds pretty smart to me. Let's face it, they're going to end up on YouTube one way or another these days so why not take control of the YouTube content and have the videos on your own channel generating ad-revenue for you?
Doing a video for every song sounds pretty smart to me. Let's face it, they're going to end up on YouTube one way or another these days so why not take control of the YouTube content and have the videos on your own channel generating ad-revenue for you?
This. Hardwired & Moth have clocked up nearly 30 million views already. At worst it'll probably end up paying what it cost to make 12 videos.
Atlas Rise is out now.
On first listen i'd put it just below Moth. Plays the intro riff a bit too often.
Nice production though. Thankfully.
Based on the three tracks so far I think it will absolutely be their finest album since METALLICA.
My favourite thing so far is that - the people who attended listening parties - have said that it contains sounds from throughout their career including some Reload weirdness.
Yes !!!!!!! Where The Wild Things Are, Carpe Diem baby..more of that !
And that the final track "Spit Out The Bone" is absolutely brutal and there are also some super-slow Sad But True style stompers.
:2metal:
Wow the unison thing around 4:20 is awesome.
Atlas Rise :metal
Count me in.
Atlas Rise :metal
Count me in.
1...2...3...4...
I've only listened to maybe 5 Iron Maiden songs ever and I still recognize the huge influence on the chorus, not just influence actually it sounds stolen but I can't name the Maiden song.
I'm hoping it leaks sometime next week. The Green Day album leaked 12 or 13 days before release day.
I thought it was a decent effort, I enjoyed it thoroughly. If the trilogy was combined into one album it would be a better album than RevRad though.
I've only listened to maybe 5 Iron Maiden songs ever and I still recognize the huge influence on the chorus, not just influence actually it sounds stolen but I can't name the Maiden song.
Other people are saying Hallowed Be Thy Name.
That new song is far too long for what it contains.
That new song is far too long for what it contains.
I understand the Iron Maiden comparisons now ;D :angel:
What does Kirk play on the albums besides the solo's? What does he play live besides solo's? Adds to James' rhythm guitar playing?
What does Kirk play on the albums besides the solo's? What does he play live besides solo's? Adds to James' rhythm guitar playing?
Seems to be just solos on the studio recordings, although they seemed to be more democratic on the recording of St. Anger, and he has contributed rhythm ideas in the writing stages (i.e. "Enter Sandman"), so don't assume recording = contributions solely.
Live, yeah, he doubles the rhythms in between solos, and obviously does the harmony parts. Hilariously, because his rhythm playing is so sloppy, he tends to get mixed lower when playing rhythm – listen to S&M and you'll hear what I mean when his guitar (right channel) ducks significantly lower when he plays rhythm.
So they get people to watch the new song on YouTube and capitalize on the interest by playing it live. Very simple obviously, but still a smart move.
2- No vocal harmonies, Moth Into Flame gave me hope that James is back recording back vocal harmonies which was sorely missed on DM but apparently it's not on all songs of the new album.
So they get people to watch the new song on YouTube and capitalize on the interest by playing it live. Very simple obviously, but still a smart move.
Yea, it's interesting to see the different approaches two of the biggest metal bands have taken to releasing their new music. (Avenged Sevenfold being the other band). Metallica is definitely capitalizing on releasing a new music video and then immediately performing the new song at some huge concert.
Is it me, my bias or my age, or is A7X not at the level of 'tallica?
Is it me, my bias or my age, or is A7X not at the level of 'tallica?
Nope, they aren't.
Lars said they wouldn't debut any songs live without releasing them first.
Because your first opinion would be of a phone quality recording.
So they get people to watch the new song on YouTube and capitalize on the interest by playing it live. Very simple obviously, but still a smart move.
Yea, it's interesting to see the different approaches two of the biggest metal bands have taken to releasing their new music. (Avenged Sevenfold being the other band). Metallica is definitely capitalizing on releasing a new music video and then immediately performing the new song at some huge concert.
Is it me, my bias or my age, or is A7X not at the level of 'tallica?
Is it me, my bias or my age, or is A7X not at the level of 'tallica?
Nope, they aren't.
I think they're awful. Massively generic. I'd put Trivium way above them.
Avenged Sevenfold might not be as big as Metallica or Iron Maiden, but if my knowledge serves well they are top 5 for sure and maybe even #3 as far as overall popularity goes.A7X might be the only current Metal band that can fill up some of the larger venues Maiden and Metallica play in the USA. Since at least the Nightmare tour, they've played the same venue here in Denver that Maiden were playing from 2003 to 2012. I assume they are nowhere near as popular in Europe.
Whether you like their music is something different entirely
I can't say for sure because it might have to deal with booking agencies wanting Avenged Sevenfold to play in Amsterdam really badly or something. As far as I can tell the fanbase in Europe is pretty big, but they're not filling arenas. When I saw them it was in Ziggo Dome which has a capacity of 17k. The show was sold out, but they would probably not be able to play arenas.Avenged Sevenfold might not be as big as Metallica or Iron Maiden, but if my knowledge serves well they are top 5 for sure and maybe even #3 as far as overall popularity goes.A7X might be the only current Metal band that can fill up some of the larger venues Maiden and Metallica play in the USA. Since at least the Nightmare tour, they've played the same venue here in Denver that Maiden were playing from 2003 to 2012. I assume they are nowhere near as popular in Europe.
Whether you like their music is something different entirely
I love both bands but A7X's new album is great and I'll be highly (and pleasantly) surprised if Metallica release a better album.Same here. I really like Moth and Hardwired is a solid rocker, and I still believe that they'll put out a great album, but The Stage is on a different level man.
Reviews for the new Metallica album suggest that overall the album isn't all like Hardwired or even Moth. It has a lot more slower, groovy Sad But True style songs and Reload style
experiments.
FINE. BY. ME.
The fast songs should feel natural and a lot of Death Magnetic did not.
I've never liked A7X that much, but that new album has definitely won me over. Nothing generic about it really.
I've never liked A7X that much, but that new album has definitely won me over. Nothing generic about it really.
I tried Hail To The King and it just made me laugh mostly at how similar Shepherd of Fire is to Enter Sandman and how much This Means War wants to be Sad But True.
I think I tried a few other songs but they did pretty much nothing for me.
I really don't like the intro to The Stage. Super fast drumming with lightning tom fills doesn't automatically make a song good.
I can't say for sure because it might have to deal with booking agencies wanting Avenged Sevenfold to play in Amsterdam really badly or something. As far as I can tell the fanbase in Europe is pretty big, but they're not filling arenas. When I saw them it was in Ziggo Dome which has a capacity of 17k. The show was sold out, but they would probably not be able to play arenas.Avenged Sevenfold might not be as big as Metallica or Iron Maiden, but if my knowledge serves well they are top 5 for sure and maybe even #3 as far as overall popularity goes.A7X might be the only current Metal band that can fill up some of the larger venues Maiden and Metallica play in the USA. Since at least the Nightmare tour, they've played the same venue here in Denver that Maiden were playing from 2003 to 2012. I assume they are nowhere near as popular in Europe.
Whether you like their music is something different entirely
1: Orion
2: The Call of Ktulu
3: Suicide & Redemption
4: To Live is to Die
5: (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth
And if we're rating the instrumentals:
1. Call of Ktulu
2. Orion
3. To Live is to Die
4. Anaesthesia
5. Suicide and Redemption
I want numbers 1-3 played at my funeral. Always have, always will :biggrin:
And if we're rating the instrumentals:
1. Call of Ktulu
2. Orion
3. To Live is to Die
4. Anaesthesia
5. Suicide and Redemption
I want numbers 1-3 played at my funeral. Always have, always will :biggrin:
Jeeez, you planning a long one, then?
ERMAGERD
I just read a review, and apparently "Dream No More" is another song about the Cthulhu Mythos. AAAUUUGGGHH
ERMAGERD
I just read a review, and apparently "Dream No More" is another song about the Cthulhu Mythos. AAAUUUGGGHH
This album only has to be better than Death Magnetic for it to be their best album in 20 years :P
Dream No More : "A stomping, fat, mid-tempo dark and twisted Cthulu themed track full of rich imagery of black seas, torture and damnation seemingly in vein of “The Thing that should not be” with its sluggish musical background and also not unlike “Sad But True” but with a slow, gloomy and groove oriented intro."
Kotowboy, I had a hunch regarding you, so I went back and read every single post in this entire thread. This lead to a hypothesis that, out of interest in time, I am just going to check out now.
Do you..........want the album to have a mid tempo groove based chunky song ala Sad But True?
Kotowboy, I had a hunch regarding you, so I went back and read every single post in this entire thread. This lead to a hypothesis that, out of interest in time, I am just going to check out now.
Do you..........want the album to have a mid tempo groove based chunky song ala Sad But True?
I don't remember every post in a 92 page thread but If you wanna go back and read every post - please be my guest.
I don't check my every post to make sure i haven't said the same thing before.
:dunno:
Kotowboy, I had a hunch regarding you, so I went back and read every single post in this entire thread. This lead to a hypothesis that, out of interest in time, I am just going to check out now.
Do you..........want the album to have a mid tempo groove based chunky song ala Sad But True?
Rate The Instrumentals1. The Call of Ktulu
Rate The Instrumentals1. The Call of Ktulu
2. Orion
3. To Live is to Die
4. Suicide & Redemption
5. Anesthesia - Pulling Teeth
Wow. I think orion is head & shoulders above the others...
Wow. I think orion is head & shoulders above the others...
Orion is fantastic. While I put it 3rd, (only in the case of counting Ktulu S&M as a contender), the distance between those three isn't huge. I just like To Live is to Die a bit more. If I couldn't put the S&M song on there, Orion would be a very very close 2nd.
But, I will say that the live version of Orion from Through The Never soundtrack is my favorite version. The performance and quality is just so god damn good.
But, I will say that the live version of Orion from Through The Never soundtrack is my favorite version. The performance and quality is just so god damn good.
And probably edited to heckery but who cares. :)
I knew something was up back in 1997 ?? When I got Cunning Stunts on VHS and things didn't sync up. I know they played Fort Worth over two nights and some video is night #1 with the audio from
night #2.
In comparison to a lot of other guitar bands, Metallica uses very few alternate tunings.
I saw Temple of the Dog last night, and Mike, Stone and Jeff changed guitars EVERY SINGLE SONG (all 25 or so of them).
Did you know that they slightly tuned flat for Master of Puppets and recorded it slower so that they could speed the tape up to make the songs tighter ?
Plus Ride is slightly sharp due to speeding up the tape too.
I saw Temple of the Dog last night, and Mike, Stone and Jeff changed guitars EVERY SINGLE SONG (all 25 or so of them).
That's just showing off to me. The Edge does it as well. I think the only time Hetfield changes guitar is when the song is in a different tuning.
I saw Temple of the Dog last night, and Mike, Stone and Jeff changed guitars EVERY SINGLE SONG (all 25 or so of them).
In comparison to a lot of other guitar bands, Metallica uses very few alternate tunings.
Yeah this. First 5 albums are mostly in E 440. Thingy is D standard. Sad is in D std. One of the Black Album tracks - Misery or God that Failed is in Eb - I forget which.
Load and Reload are mostly Eb standard except for one or two. St Anger is all over the shop and the two recent albums are back to E 440.
Did you know that they slightly tuned flat for Master of Puppets and recorded it slower so that they could speed the tape up to make the songs tighter ?
Plus Ride is slightly sharp due to speeding up the tape too.
I know it's because I'm a casual player but I loathe the idea of having to change tuning to play a song.I'm the same way. Drop-D is all well and good, but anything more complicated than that is a royal pain in the ass if you don't have multiple decent guitars with different setups.
I felt like learning Fuel's chorus and solo section a few weeks ago and the tab said Drop something and I said drop you mate heh
I know it's because I'm a casual player but I loathe the idea of having to change tuning to play a song.I'm the same way. Drop-D is all well and good, but anything more complicated than that is a royal pain in the ass if you don't have multiple decent guitars with different setups.
I felt like learning Fuel's chorus and solo section a few weeks ago and the tab said Drop something and I said drop you mate heh
I'm definitely digging the music (at least compared to DM or St. Anger) but the vocals (mostly) leave a lot to be desired. So far the vocals seem a bit by the numbers and lacking much melody or being memorable.
Apparently disc 2 is s lot more mid tempo and varied.
Yes, hopefully mid-tempo means "barking" (as James called it) vocals are not suitable. Not that I mind that style, but there's just been way too much of it lately.Apparently disc 2 is s lot more mid tempo and varied.
Right so I have heard... Just hoping mid-tempo means more melodic variety from James.
Italian track by track after a listening session - happened, believe ir ot not, amplifying the sound off an iPhone 7 :eek (didn't they have a stereo or something?)
I'm definitely digging the music (at least compared to DM or St. Anger) but the vocals (mostly) leave a lot to be desired. So far the vocals seem a bit by the numbers and lacking much melody or being memorable.This is the biggest problem I have with Atlas Rise, especially with its chorus. I so wish James was a bit more ambitious with the vocal melodies.
https://teamrock.com/feature/2016-11-10/the-track-by-track-guide-to-metallica-hardwired-to-self-destruct
I don't know what to think about this review...
https://teamrock.com/feature/2016-11-10/the-track-by-track-guide-to-metallica-hardwired-to-self-destruct
I don't know what to think about this review...
It's a horribly written review. Told me almost nothing except some songs are slower and some are faster.
At least a better written one: https://www.thenationalstudent.com/Music/2016-11-10/album-review-metallica-hardwired-to-self-destruct.html
This was a little better of a read except for the dude not knowing what a blast beat is :lol.
Hardwired… to Self-Destruct is not a thrash album. Rather, it is a release that utilises the conventions of a number of heavy styles, from NWOBHM to melodic death metal to thrash to doom metal, all of which become apparent as the album proceeds.
This was a little better of a read except for the dude not knowing what a blast beat is :lol.
Also:QuoteHardwired… to Self-Destruct is not a thrash album. Rather, it is a release that utilises the conventions of a number of heavy styles, from NWOBHM to melodic death metal to thrash to doom metal, all of which become apparent as the album proceeds.
wtf
Doesn't sound likely.
To be fair, Metallica has always kinda been paranoid about leaks. They even released St. Anger 5 days early just so it wouldn't get leaked.
To be fair, Metallica has always kinda been paranoid about leaks. They even released St. Anger 5 days early just so it wouldn't get leaked.
That was probably so people wouldn't know it sucked before buying it.
Musicians are often too close to their own music to be terribly objective about it, to be honest.
And the production just slays.
Loving what you guys are saying.
I don't do leaks, so I look forward to hearing this album in 6 days. :)
I'm really loving what i'm reading about there being a lot of Reload style songs - just much improved.
Easily one of my favourite Metallica albums. So under rated.
I've got another one. There was this Russian hard rock band that opened for Yngwie Malmsteen back in... 2007? I hated Yngwie, but my buddy's bass teacher (Bjorn Englen) was playing bass for him so we went. I dont remember the name of the band, but this really cute goth girl whom I had a thing for was there with us.. and she really dug them. I spent the entire show keeping her safe from the pit. Lots of.. close body contact. Plus kick ass music. And then... well.. The only good thing about Yngwie was Bjorn and Tim The Ripper Owens playing with him.
*daydreams*
I know it's because I'm a casual player but I loathe the idea of having to change tuning to play a song.All the strings are downtuned a half step in Fuel, so you can learn the song in standard tuning.
I felt like learning Fuel's chorus and solo section a few weeks ago and the tab said Drop something and I said drop you mate heh
And this time I wasn't even talking about robot copulation.Great song. My favorite so far is Halo on Fire.
So far, Dream No More is far and away the standout of the album imo. Great song. It takes some clear cues from Sad But True, most obviously the slow tempo and D tuning, and I really like the verse and chorus melodies. Strangely, the guitar harmonies after the solo remind me of Arch Enemy wtf.
The rest of the album will have to wait until I'm over this track before they get another chance. :lol
:lol People on the Met forum justifying downloading the leak by making us that are waiting feel bad...Depends on whether they also buy the album, especially if they have pre-ordered. I mean, it's technically still stealing, but really it comes to the same thing as ripping the mp3s.
" Downloading a leak is stealing ? How is it any different to COPYING the files from the CD to your Computer ? ::) "
You're right - we're all technically stealing by copying the album form the speakers to our brains :lol :lol
Spit Out the Bone is fantastic!
I just don't understand why people just can't be patient (it actually does make the anticipation a little more worthwhile when actually hearing the album), and if they can't, why they feel they have to publically admit they listened and downloaded the leaks.
Whenever I actually wait for albums, I never feel bad. I feel bad for those who couldn't wait ;D
Whenever I actually wait for albums, I never feel bad. I feel bad for those who couldn't wait ;D
That guitar lead part after Kirk's first short solo on Spit Out the Bone. :hefdaddy This song is absolutely KILLER.
Really? People on the metallica boards are loving the album apart from it not being thrashy ENOUGH.
Anyway. It's Wednesday tomorrow and Thursday evening will soon be here...
( Assuming the album is on Spotify at 00:00 Friday morning - it's up there now - all 3CDs but blacked out apart from the singles so... )
That guitar lead part after Kirk's first short solo on Spit Out the Bone. :hefdaddy This song is absolutely KILLER.
Yeah. Unfortunately this song won't get as much love as it deserves cause, you know, TOO THRASHY.
That guitar lead part after Kirk's first short solo on Spit Out the Bone. :hefdaddy This song is absolutely KILLER.Easily their Thrashiest song since 1988. It's a face-melter! :metal
That being said... I think Dystopia is noticeably better.
LISTEN UP GUYS
All 13 videos ( including Lords of Summer 2016 ) are being released over the next two days !!
https://metallica.com/
First one is up in 30 mins !! ( 9am PST )
Wait 'til you hear Spit Out The Bone.
:drool:
Well between this thread and Metallica.com forums, I'm expecting the greatest 'tallica track ever written.
I've listened to the 3 singles, but I'm waiting til Friday to hear the whole album. It's been agonizing to read everyone's positive comments, but I'll be happy to join in on Friday.
Dream No More. Oh my god. What a :censored song. :metal :hefdaddy I was already excited for the new album but after that I can't wait.
Dream No More. Oh my god. What a :censored song. :metal :hefdaddy I was already excited for the new album but after that I can't wait.
Dream No More is a sequel to The Thing That Should Not Be just in case you missed all the CHTULU AWAKENS ! :P
Dream No More. Oh my god. What a :censored song. :metal :hefdaddy I was already excited for the new album but after that I can't wait.
Dream No More is a sequel to The Thing That Should Not Be just in case you missed all the CHTULU AWAKENS ! :P
BUT so far...this album is EASILY better than Death Magnetic. COMFORTABLY.chaossystem ?
From what i've heard so far - his solos on Hardwired... are MUCH better than any of his Death Magnetic solos.I'll give him some credit. I just heard "Now That We're Dead," and Kirk's solo is actually something new.
That 8 bar mini solo on "Hardwired" at least fits the vibe of the song and isn't just random notes like on " End Of The Line ".
So I've listened to about a minute of whatever songs they've released videos for.Yes.
For people who have heard the rest of the songs, do all of them start with the whole band coming it at once? Are there no songs with guitar intros or anything?
So I've listened to about a minute of whatever songs they've released videos for.ManUNkind, Am I Savage, and Murder One all have acoustic intros.
For people who have heard the rest of the songs, do all of them start with the whole band coming it at once? Are there no songs with guitar intros or anything?
With bands I know, my hype level peaks with the announcement of a new album. I immediately want to hear it and have an urge to throw my money at them without waiting for reviews. As the months pass, I become more rational. When I hear singles, my excitement drops as I realise that the songwriting is basically more of the same.
That is me as well. But it's a little more of an upsetting issue for me.
I'm a Metallica fan but I despise the breadcrumbs deal, I supported the Sevenfold album even though I'm not a fan at all because I like the way they released it, I truly miss knowing about new albums coming out by walking into a store and "Oh look a new album has come out" or simply waking up to find it online like Sevenfold fans did. I don't give a flying fuck what your gushing whore industry is forcing you to do or how you're "adapting to the times", there is no reasoning sufficient for making fans wait like dogs for 2 or 3 month. Especially with someone like me who only likes 5 or 6 bands and rarely finds new music to enjoy.
So, as immature as that sounds, the way I respond to that is that I very damn well make sure to wait and check very regularly for the leak and get it asap. I know it doesn't hurt the band or the record company and it's not like I'm effectively "getting back at them" but it simply makes me feel better heh
BTW, Confusion VS The Enemy Inside, who handled the PTSD subject matter better lyrically and musically?
I don't get the ManUNkind video. Why are they satirizing Mayhem? What does it have to do with the song (I haven't read the lyrics btw)?It was directed by Jonas Åkerlund, who's also working on the Lords of Chaos film about the Norwegian black metal scene.
Wow, it's a great album no doubt, bringing back a lot of cool elements from TBA, Load/Reload era. My only two minor complains: Lords of Summer should be on the first 2 CDs. This version is killer, much better than the demo version. The second is that CD 2 suffers a bit from the long sequence of slower songs. IMO the album would flow better if Am I Savage was before Halo on Fire on CD1, and the CD 2 opened with Lords of Summer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJifYl_byU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJifYl_byU)
And here's the link ;D
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Hardwired...To Self Destruct is easily Metallica's most recent album.
Wow, it's a great album no doubt, bringing back a lot of cool elements from TBA, Load/Reload era. My only two minor complains: Lords of Summer should be on the first 2 CDs. This version is killer, much better than the demo version. The second is that CD 2 suffers a bit from the long sequence of slower songs. IMO the album would flow better if Am I Savage was before Halo on Fire on CD1, and the CD 2 opened with Lords of Summer.Not sure about that as none of the songs are really slow at all. Overall the first disc is a little thrashier and the second a little bluesier, but I quite dig that distinction. More call-back to early Metallica in the first half and more of a Load/Reload vibe in the second.
I don't get the ManUNkind video. Why are they satirizing Mayhem? What does it have to do with the song (I haven't read the lyrics btw)?It was directed by Jonas Åkerlund
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Hardwired...To Self Destruct is easily Metallica's most recent album.
I guarantee you'll change your mind by the time the next album comes out. ;)
Black Metal is just pure shit.
Black Metal is just pure shit.
Black Metal is just pure shit.
Woah there, Black Metal Matters, brah!
If I ever float over Kotowboy's head, I'll get hit with Adami's jokes :lol No offense to either guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJifYl_byU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJifYl_byU)
And here's the link ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJifYl_byU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJifYl_byU)
And here's the link ;D
Not sure how someone can find something negative about this. This besides being funny, is also pretty awesome.
In my perception this album could have (and in retrospect, should have) come out after Re-Load. In my eyes, as flawed as the Loads are, they're still legitimate Metallica records when it comes to performance and production. I like St. Anger and Death Magnetic for what they are, but they felt way too amateurish for a Metallica album. This one, now we're back to the heavy, pristine production reminiscent of TBA/Load, with some elements of their thrash records thrown in. Metallica finally sound like themselves again.
* i think it's their best album since Metallica in 1991
which isn't that difficult I know.
Dream No More is absolutely my favourite. It's like The Thing That Should Not Be crossed with Sad But True and Devil's Dance.
I'm so glad the album is varied and not just 10 different versions of Hardwired.
Saint Anger - like SlipKnot's IOWA is an album to blast when you're pissed off.
It works wonders.
Anyone else like Am I Savage? Haven't seen much positivity about it. I think it's one of the best songs on Disc 2.
Anyone else like Am I Savage? Haven't seen much positivity about it. I think it's one of the best songs on Disc 2.
Anyone else like Am I Savage? Haven't seen much positivity about it. I think it's one of the best songs on Disc 2.
Hell yes, and the riff around 4:00 has already become known as the 'Sawblade' riff. Or the riff that escaped from Gojira's 'Magma'. Solid track.
Okay, not gonna lie. Spit Out the Bone is crazy good, might just check out some more songs later today, is there anything like this on the album or is it a one-of-a-kind?
I'll look into it, maybe I was a bit harsh on my first listens on some of these songs but I was planning to give them more attention anyway. So far had listened to the 3 pre-release singles + Dream No More, ManUNkind and Spit Out the Bone. Really dug the last one, phenomenal song, and Moth Into Flame was also great, but I didn't really like any of the others I heard.Okay, not gonna lie. Spit Out the Bone is crazy good, might just check out some more songs later today, is there anything like this on the album or is it a one-of-a-kind?
Spit out the Bone is the fastest song besides hardwired.
Moth Into Flame is the next fastest after that. The rest of the album is medium tempo in a Black Album / Reload vibe.
Dream No More is like a sequel to The Thing That Should Not Be. Slow and downtuned and EPIC.
On my first listen now (including all the bonus material). Holy shit Spit Out The Bone :metal :metal :metal :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
:o wait...hold up.... you're saying he sounds WORSE on the new album than he did on Death magnetic ?
Am I Savage is the only song i disliked so far. Confusion is getting better with each listen.
:o wait...hold up.... you're saying he sounds WORSE on the new album than he did on Death magnetic ?
Not necessarily worse, but I really dislike the vocal style on most of the songs with the exception of Moth and Spit. Especially the vocal melodies on Dream No More make the song unlistenable for me, even though it is pretty okay instrumentally.
:o wait...hold up.... you're saying he sounds WORSE on the new album than he did on Death magnetic ?
Not necessarily worse, but I really dislike the vocal style on most of the songs with the exception of Moth and Spit. Especially the vocal melodies on Dream No More make the song unlistenable for me, even though it is pretty okay instrumentally.
Wow, interesting opinion. I think Het's vocals are really good on this. Easily his best vocal work since ReLoad.
Several goosebump moments on this album
1. The outro to Halo On Fire - " Then Only Darkness...Say Goodbye ! "
2. The verse of Spit Out the Bone " Come Unto Me - and you will feel perfection ! "
4. That section of Spit Out The Bone - " Stop Breathing...and Dedicate To Me...Stop Dreaming...And Terminate For Me..."
Several goosebump moments on this album
1. The outro to Halo On Fire - " Then Only Darkness...Say Goodbye ! "
2. The verse of Spit Out the Bone " Come Unto Me - and you will feel perfection ! "
4. That section of Spit Out The Bone - " Stop Breathing...and Dedicate To Me...Stop Dreaming...And Terminate For Me..."
Wholehearteadly agree on these three!!!! :metal
It's ironic how Am I Savage in title reminds a lot of Am I Evil, and yet it's one of the earlier songs (Either Confusion or ManUnkind, can't remember right now) that sounds slightly like the actual song.
In the tradition of mis-heard lyrics in Metallica songs...
At 2:40 in Halo on Fire it sounds like " Deprive Deep Fried "
That caveman diet getting Papa het down ? :biggrin:
In the tradition of mis-heard lyrics in Metallica songs...
At 2:40 in Halo on Fire it sounds like " Deprive Deep Fried "
That caveman diet getting Papa het down ? :biggrin:
Deprive deep fried is what I heard too 😆
Just finished my first listen of the full album and found it a bit monotonous due to the songs mostly being in the same tempo. Definitely had some good moments though.
I haven't been able to catch every song, but they sound really good.
And since I give Kirk shit all the time, I want to point out that he sounds better right now than he has in a long time.
Thanks for posting and updating the setlist Taff :xbones
Yeah London is a pain to get to from Wales, I used to live in Pembrokeshire and only went to London twice in 7 years.
Taking the bus and then trying to get around London is a nightmare and driving, forget it parking fees are horrendous.
https://youtu.be/H4ZGXySaI0A live stream, what an amazing venue!
https://youtu.be/H4ZGXySaI0A live stream, what an amazing venue!
Watching this now and agreed. What a crazy long narrow venue.
However....those live songs.....god dammit Kirk. I actually had to start skipping songs when it got to the solo because of how horrible he was.I thought he was better than usual! :lol
However....those live songs.....god dammit Kirk. I actually had to start skipping songs when it got to the solo because of how horrible he was.I thought he was better than usual! :lol
Not to be a party pooper, but after seeing the reaction to Spit out the Bone on the 'net and then checking it out myself, I am convinced that Metallica fans are so excited to get anything new that they'll be happy with just about anything as long as it is played fast. It's not a bad song, but it sounds like your run of the mill speed metal tune that we've heard them do a million times already. It ended and I already cannot remember anything about it.
Not to be a party pooper, but after seeing the reaction to Spit out the Bone on the 'net and then checking it out myself, I am convinced that Metallica fans are so excited to get anything new that they'll be happy with just about anything as long as it is played fast. It's not a bad song, but it sounds like your run of the mill speed metal tune that we've heard them do a million times already. It ended and I already cannot remember anything about it.
Kirk's guitars (probably the lower strings) were out of tune until they got to One, where he finally got a guitar that stayed in tune better. His solos were mostly alright, though I don't like what he does with the outro solo of Fade to Black these days.Ah, I didn't really get a chance to tune in until One, so that might explain the difference in opinion.
Ah, I didn't really get a chance to tune in until One, so that might explain the difference in opinion.
I'm pretty much over the album already, it doesn't have much new to offer over the older albums, and I actually think DM was the much stronger album despite my strong criticisms of it. I wish I enjoyed this album more, because they've gone the direction I'd hoped they'd go after DM, but the songwriting quality just isn't there for me.
So Metallica consider Hardwired To Self Destruct their 11th album which means they probably count Garage Inc Disc 1 as a studio album...
Not Lulu since it was a collab.
Yellow text says what? :facepalm:
Ride the Lightning is still the best them.
Ride the Lightning is still the best them.
^_^
Gonna go right ahead and assume you meant to type Master Of Puppets but were thinking of Ride The Lightning at the time...
Ride the Lightning is still the best them.
^_^
Gonna go right ahead and assume you meant to type Master Of Puppets but were thinking of Ride The Lightning at the time...
No.
So Metallica consider Hardwired To Self Destruct their 11th album which means they probably count Garage Inc Disc 1 as a studio album...
Not Lulu since it was a collab.
Wikipedia says HW is their 10th...
Ride the Lightning is still the best them.
^_^
Gonna go right ahead and assume you meant to type Master Of Puppets but were thinking of Ride The Lightning at the time...
No.
^_^
Gonna go right ahead and assume you meant to type Yes but were thinking of No at the time...
So Metallica consider Hardwired To Self Destruct their 11th album which means they probably count Garage Inc Disc 1 as a studio album...
Not Lulu since it was a collab.
Wikipedia says HW is their 10th...
Yeah I noticed this in August when Lars premiered Hardwired during a radio interview and said "11th studio album", I checked Wikipedia and it said 10th. I think he's counting Beyond Magnetic because it was a release of entirely original material.
What's different about Spit out the bone compared to their more generic speed metal tunes is the very refined vocal melody throughout. The fact that the vocal harmonies drive the fast, frenetic verses is very special, and some of the echoing, answering backing vocals later in the song are a nice, melodic touch. It's also fairly unpredictable, the one-line pre-chorus is a fine example, as well as the slow breakdown in the middle. Kirk delivers some of the catchier phrases as well. It's a very solid track.
So Metallica consider Hardwired To Self Destruct their 11th album which means they probably count Garage Inc Disc 1 as a studio album...
Not Lulu since it was a collab.
Wikipedia says HW is their 10th...
Yeah I noticed this in August when Lars premiered Hardwired during a radio interview and said "11th studio album", I checked Wikipedia and it said 10th. I think he's counting Beyond Magnetic because it was a release of entirely original material.
That's an EP and Garage Inc Disc 1 - whilst not NEW songs was still a new studio recording.
Not to be a party pooper, but after seeing the reaction to Spit out the Bone on the 'net and then checking it out myself, I am convinced that Metallica fans are so excited to get anything new that they'll be happy with just about anything as long as it is played fast. It's not a bad song, but it sounds like your run of the mill speed metal tune that we've heard them do a million times already. It ended and I already cannot remember anything about it.
I definitely really like the album, but I would have liked to see Kirk collaborate on some of the songs, besides just solos.
Tbh I think the fact that James and Lars handled pretty much all of the songwriting is probably one of the main reasons this album sounds so focused compared to DM or St. Anger.
Kirk has 4 writing credits on METALLICA and like 13 Across Load & Reload
Kirk has 4 writing credits on METALLICA and like 13 Across Load & Reload
Kirk doesn't even have a writing credit on One and that has one of the most iconic solos of all time.
Not to be a party pooper, but after seeing the reaction to Spit out the Bone on the 'net and then checking it out myself, I am convinced that Metallica fans are so excited to get anything new that they'll be happy with just about anything as long as it is played fast. It's not a bad song, but it sounds like your run of the mill speed metal tune that we've heard them do a million times already. It ended and I already cannot remember anything about it.
Where the album falls flat to me completely is every single guitar solo Kirk Hammett plays. It's all the same, he sounds exhausted and like he has given up. Pentatonic scale abuse every single time, to the point where his solos are actually a chore to get through. Add to it that every song is (once again) written in E minor (except for Dream No More) and the record gets pretty shallow - on first listen at least.As I said earlier I find the album pretty decent, but I kinda agree with you on Kirk's solos: they go in one ear and out the other. They're not bad to the point of ruining the songs, but not memorable either. It's glaringly obvious that he's the weak link of the band (yes, including Lars) nowadays, both live and in the studio. I didn't realize 11/12 of the songs are in E minor, but even on the classic Met albums pretty much every song is in that key. It doesn't bother me as much as the newer In Flames albums where every goddamn song is in A# minor.
How do you guys feel about Now That We're Dead and Here Comes Revenge?NTWD has a cool groove and nice vocal melodies; it's got a strong Black Album vibe. Here Comes Revenge is one of the best tracks because of the dark verses, and I like how there's some semi-fast picking, though the song is mid-tempo.
Only two listens in, but those songs have definitely stood out to me as really cool songs.
Lemmy had MURDER ONE on his amp.
How do you guys feel about Now That We're Dead and Here Comes Revenge?NTWD has a cool groove and nice vocal melodies; it's got a strong Black Album vibe. Here Comes Revenge is one of the best tracks because of the dark verses, and I like how there's some semi-fast picking, though the song is mid-tempo.
Only two listens in, but those songs have definitely stood out to me as really cool songs.
Kirk has 4 writing credits on METALLICA and like 13 Across Load & Reload
Kirk doesn't even have a writing credit on One and that has one of the most iconic solos of all time.
I'm not sure which solo you're referring to, but Kirk has said that the first two solos were based around what James was jamming on at times.
Kirk has 4 writing credits on METALLICA and like 13 Across Load & Reload
Kirk doesn't even have a writing credit on One and that has one of the most iconic solos of all time.
I'm not sure which solo you're referring to, but Kirk has said that the first two solos were based around what James was jamming on at times.
The final solo with the fast tapping.
I wish Confusion had a better chorus.
I wish Confusion had a better chorus.
One of my first thoughts on the album too. The riff , although a bit familiar , is great but by the end it seems a bit wasted on the song. I still like it , but it could've been a lot better.
Death Magnetic is much better IMO.
How do you guys feel about Now That We're Dead and Here Comes Revenge?
Only two listens in, but those songs have definitely stood out to me as really cool songs.
*pic*Suddenly the cover makes more sense. :lol
I wish Confusion had a better chorus.Agreed. I feel like this would be a fairly solid album if you dropped Confusion, Hardwired, Am I Savage? and Atlas, Rise.
Fair enough to those who aren't digging the album, but I'm not sure why some are suggesting that the popularity of the album and some specific songs are down to anything other than people simply liking them. It's ok for other people to get excited about things you don't like.
Fair enough to those who aren't digging the album, but I'm not sure why some are suggesting that the popularity of the album and some specific songs are down to anything other than people simply liking them. It's ok for other people to get excited about things you don't like.
Fair enough to those who aren't digging the album, but I'm not sure why some are suggesting that the popularity of the album and some specific songs are down to anything other than people simply liking them. It's ok for other people to get excited about things you don't like.
And also this can go both ways, how often is the one that doesn't like some music accused of having not understood the artist, the concept, has no taste, no soul no whatever ... That one simply doesnt like it is not always easily accepted.Indeed, and I am equally critical of that. :P
I really see no problem, as long as the discussion remains respectful.It's civilised, certainly, but it depends what you mean by respectful. I personally always find it a little insulting when people equate their own tastes to objective quality and then try and discredit in some way the opinions of others.
Got a good 3-4 listens in and it's a grown a bit but disk 2 is really not that good outside of Confusion and Spit out the Bone.
I'd take Here Comes Revenge and Am I Savage & Murder One over Unforgiven III any day.
Plus as others have pointed out - imagine All Nightmare Long with the production of Dream No More...
I imagine that when they play Dream No More live - it'll be in Db standard :omg:
Thingy sounded BRUTAL when they played it in Db
I should take the time to watch them all in a row all at once. Listening and "seeing" the album in the proper order. I haven't even watched them all yet.
Speaking of Lords of Summer, the new version is a big improvement over the demo/live version. Nice changes in the vocals and drums.
I see St. Anger as the band remembering how to be a functioning band again and almost making a debut album with their new mindset and appreciation.
Death Magnetic is like them trying to make a classic Metallica album
Whilst
Hardwired...To Self Destruct is them just making a great Metallica album with no agenda except great songs.
Hardwired...To Self Destruct is them just making a great Metallica album with no agenda except great songs.
Throughout their career, they have always followed their artistic vision, regardless of what the views of fans or the general public might have been. TBA, the Loads, S&M and StA/SKOM were all quite big departures from their previous releases. Lulu and Through the never were also projects that I didn't necessarily enjoy, but I'm glad that they had the balls to do them. If no one ever left their comfort zone, how would we ever then discover new tastes?
I also don't really get why they are always compared to the Cliff-era. Reproducing his influence on the music is just impossible. They are also not Maiden, who have found a formula that worked for them (C-D-Em gallop anyone?) and stuck to it as their safety blanket. Don't get me wrong, I love Maiden almost as much as Metallica and DT, but they have never surprised me with their music.
Also, with such a good production and Metallica being in a state of grace, I miss a ballad on this album.
Okay, so I think I've listened to the new album to at least say which songs I like and which ones I don't. Not in order though, since I've never been good at that.
Like:
Hardwired (even if the lyrics to the chorus are truly terrible, the song has a really fun authentic energy to it)
Atlas Rise!
Moth Into Flame
Here Comes Revenge
Now That We're Dead
Am I Savage?
Halo on Fire
Dream No More
Spit Out the Bone
Lords of Summer
Don't care for, but are...okay I guess:
Confusion
ManUNkind
Murder One
That's a pretty damn good ratio if you ask me.
I have to say, I pretty much dig every song that wasn't released before! Those are the only ones I skip. :lol
I have to say, I pretty much dig every song that wasn't released before! Those are the only ones I skip. :lol
Really?! I think Moth is probably top 2 or 3 on this record for me. Atlas, Rise! is also really good and Hardwired provides great opening energy.
I have to say, I pretty much dig every song that wasn't released before! Those are the only ones I skip. :lol
Really?! I think Moth is probably top 2 or 3 on this record for me. Atlas, Rise! is also really good and Hardwired provides great opening energy.
None of them are bad, I'm probably just eager to hear the other stuff.
Dream No More might actually be my favorite track on this album. I've seen a lot of praise online for Halo on Fire, Spit Out the Bone, and Moth Into Flame, and those are all really, really strong tracks but for some reason I LOVE Dream No More.
It might be just because it's in D standard but i'm sure the guitar tone is identical to the tone on The Thing That Should Not Be.
Obviously the production on the new album is different but that huge chug on " You Turn ! To Stone ! " sounds VERY Thing That Should Not Be.
It might be just because it's in D standard but i'm sure the guitar tone is identical to the tone on The Thing That Should Not Be.
Obviously the production on the new album is different but that huge chug on " You Turn ! To Stone ! " sounds VERY Thing That Should Not Be.
Oh yea, total Thingy vibe on that one. Probably part of the reason I like it.
Some songs are definitely more obviously taking the MOP methodology they talked about doing. The most obvious is probably "Moth Into Flame," but the Thingy vibe you guys talk about is another, and a third is the intro of "Here Comes Revenge" totally ripping the riffs in "Leper Messiah."
What Hardwired...to Self Destruct showed me, is that Metallica is still a metal band, but the guys are really at odds with the type of music they enjoy, as opposed to the music they pioneered. The latter isn't something they want to do all the time (like Spit Out the Bone), but they are good at it. The former is something they want to write and play more, but aren't as good at it. And so they are still trying to find a balance. Hardwired (the record) has succeeded in achieving that balance to a degree, but is still skewed in the wrong direction (to my ears). They need more thrash. But that may not be where they want to be...
Metallica has pretty much always been on record as saying they are more than a thrash band though, even at the beginnings of their careers. Sure, in the 80s, they were more thrash than they have been since then, but they have always been a melting pot of sorts.
Also, a lot of people would disagree that they aren't good at non-thrash... Songs like For Whom the Bell Tolls, The Thing That Should Not Be, Harvester of Sorrow, Sad But True, etc... would like a word with you. I think over the years (and on this new record) they have created incredible, iconic non-thrash songs. That's what made them different, they have never just been thrash.
All that's true. I mean, I love "Bleeding Me," and think it is an incredible tune. So I'm not saying that they can't write iconic non-thrash tunes. But all the way through Justice, four albums worth of material, they were a thrash, even progressive thrash metal band. The way they deviated in the 1990s (I mean, everyone did a record like the Black album, so I don't hold that against them) was just a complete 180 degree turn from what they put themselves out there to be.
I wouldn't argue with anyone who says (including the band themselves) that they are more than just a thrash band -- clearly, they are. But I don't agree that they are better at writing non-thrash songs as they are thrash songs. Spit Out the Bone destroys anything else on the new record. That's a shining example.
I'm glad people are diggin' the new record though. It is better than I thought it would be for sure.
A poster on the Metallica forum thinks Reload sounds worse than Saint Anger production wise.
Mainly because he thinks Reload has too many overdubs and James sounds like he's smiling the entire time he's singing .
*shrug* I'll take that over drum mics set up in 5 mins - snare disengaged, weak out of tune vocals and a demo sounding album.
Just listened to the album while on the road and I loved it. Am I Savage? Was a highlight for me.
Some bands aren't that heavy in Drop Gb because being heavy isn't about how low you tune.
Just listened to the album while on the road and I loved it. Am I Savage? Was a highlight for me.
That ridiculously heavy riff at 4:10 that also closes the song is Het's favourite moment on the album.
It's f---ing HUGE and it's in E STANDARD.
Some bands aren't that heavy in Drop Gb because being heavy isn't about how low you tune.
I wonder what they will do next time.
*Love* that Am I Savage riff, makes me want to pick up a guitar again.
I'm loving Halo On Fire.
Just listened to the album while on the road and I loved it. Am I Savage? Was a highlight for me.
That ridiculously heavy riff at 4:10 that also closes the song is Het's favourite moment on the album.
It's f---ing HUGE and it's in E STANDARD.
Some bands aren't that heavy in Drop Gb because being heavy isn't about how low you tune.
I'm loving Halo On Fire.So far it's my favorite.
Just listened to the album while on the road and I loved it. Am I Savage? Was a highlight for me.
That ridiculously heavy riff at 4:10 that also closes the song is Het's favourite moment on the album.
It's f---ing HUGE and it's in E STANDARD.
Some bands aren't that heavy in Drop Gb because being heavy isn't about how low you tune.
I LOVE that riff! I think Am I Savage? is underrated overall.
Thanks for the info bro.
Djent isn't heavy.
Just listened to the album while on the road and I loved it. Am I Savage? Was a highlight for me.
That ridiculously heavy riff at 4:10 that also closes the song is Het's favourite moment on the album.
It's f---ing HUGE and it's in E STANDARD.
Some bands aren't that heavy in Drop Gb because being heavy isn't about how low you tune.
That is one stupidly heavy riff.
Halo On Fire (this is considered a ballad ?)
Some songs would profit from further trimming.Yup. When it comes to music, longer is not always better, and there are definitely some opportunities for trimming on this album that would make it an easier, more enjoyable listen. Some of the excessive intros/outros, for instance, where they have a tendency to repeat too many times without really adding anything to the song.
I keep seeing ballads (or lack of) being mentioned, but I don't see why it's relevant. Metallica have hardly any proper ballads in their entire catalogue, and pretty much all of those are on the black album and Load/Reload. There's a variety of pace, moods and styles including gentle sections of songs - surely that's what matters.Halo On Fire (this is considered a ballad ?)
I don't, nor I do consider Bleeding Me a ballad which is slower overall than Halo.
While I confirm my total appreciation and :metal for Spit Out of the Bone, I guess Halo on Fire is actually my favorite track on the album. Fantastic song!
Funny reading this coming from a DT fan! :lolSome songs would profit from further trimming.Yup. When it comes to music, longer is not always better, and there are definitely some opportunities for trimming on this album that would make it an easier, more enjoyable listen. Some of the excessive intros/outros, for instance, where they have a tendency to repeat too many times without really adding anything to the song.
Not to mention that if HTSD was indeed an 8 track album lasting 50 mins - people would be like ::) IS THAT IT ?! 8 years and that's all you did ?They could've made an EP out of the leftover tracks á la Beyond Magnetic.
Not to mention that if HTSD was indeed an 8 track album lasting 50 mins - people would be like ::) IS THAT IT ?! 8 years and that's all you did ?
One of the reasons DT doesn't do much for me anymore, aside from what I consider their classic material!Funny reading this coming from a DT fan! :lolSome songs would profit from further trimming.Yup. When it comes to music, longer is not always better, and there are definitely some opportunities for trimming on this album that would make it an easier, more enjoyable listen. Some of the excessive intros/outros, for instance, where they have a tendency to repeat too many times without really adding anything to the song.
Not to mention that if HTSD was indeed an 8 track album lasting 50 mins - people would be like ::) IS THAT IT ?! 8 years and that's all you did ?
Wouldn't that be their own fault though? Nobody told them they HAD to wait 8 years.
I guess Halo on Fire is actually my favorite track on the album. Fantastic song!Right there with you. The first time I listened to the song and heard James scream "FAST, is desire", I was like "Hell, yeah!" I really dig "Here Comes Revenge", too.
I keep seeing ballads (or lack of) being mentioned, but I don't see why it's relevant. Metallica have hardly any proper ballads in their entire catalogue, and pretty much all of those are on the black album and Load/Reload. There's a variety of pace, moods and styles including gentle sections of songs - surely that's what matters.
I keep seeing ballads (or lack of) being mentioned, but I don't see why it's relevant. Metallica have hardly any proper ballads in their entire catalogue, and pretty much all of those are on the black album and Load/Reload. There's a variety of pace, moods and styles including gentle sections of songs - surely that's what matters.
I consider ballads or songs with enough slow sections to be mostly categorized as such: Every track #4 of every album minus Load, St. Anger and this new one plus Nothing Else Matters, Mama Said, Low Man Lyric and The Unforgiven III.
Then of course we could debate forever on what is a ballad, a slow song, if the songs that end up fast can be categorized as more complex songs etc but the "songs that you can pull out the lighter to and use them to make out with your girlfriend" are those ones for me.
One is a ballad?I keep seeing ballads (or lack of) being mentioned, but I don't see why it's relevant. Metallica have hardly any proper ballads in their entire catalogue, and pretty much all of those are on the black album and Load/Reload. There's a variety of pace, moods and styles including gentle sections of songs - surely that's what matters.
I consider ballads or songs with enough slow sections to be mostly categorized as such: Every track #4 of every album minus Load, St. Anger and this new one plus Nothing Else Matters, Mama Said, Low Man Lyric and The Unforgiven III.
Then of course we could debate forever on what is a ballad, a slow song, if the songs that end up fast can be categorized as more complex songs etc but the "songs that you can pull out the lighter to and use them to make out with your girlfriend" are those ones for me.
Until it Sleeps (track 4 on Load) is considered a ballad while Kill 'Em All doesn't have one.
So I know I'm going to sound stupid but I've been so out of the loop with Metallica that while listening to the new album I didn't realize it was a double album until I got home and looked at the spotify song list.
So I know I'm going to sound stupid but I've been so out of the loop with Metallica that while listening to the new album I didn't realize it was a double album until I got home and looked at the spotify song list.
To be fair, it's only actually one CD worth of music, split across two discs for no good reason, so when listening to it digitally there's nothing to indicate it would be a double album.
Maybe they didn't realise that the RIAA only count double albums twice regarding sales if there's more than 100 minutes of audio. ;)
Maybe they didn't realise that the RIAA only count double albums twice regarding sales if there's more than 100 minutes of audio. ;)
I'm sure they knew...
Hetfield said that the vinyl would sound better if it was two discs - so they made the CD two discs as well.
It's just a nice package having a 3CD album . You can make it one album on your playlists anyway so i'm not really sure what the problem is except to nitpick.
Maybe they didn't realise that the RIAA only count double albums twice regarding sales if there's more than 100 minutes of audio. ;)I genuinely think this is probable. :lol Simply because there is no logical reason whatsoever why they would take this approach otherwise.
One is a ballad?I keep seeing ballads (or lack of) being mentioned, but I don't see why it's relevant. Metallica have hardly any proper ballads in their entire catalogue, and pretty much all of those are on the black album and Load/Reload. There's a variety of pace, moods and styles including gentle sections of songs - surely that's what matters.
I consider ballads or songs with enough slow sections to be mostly categorized as such: Every track #4 of every album minus Load, St. Anger and this new one plus Nothing Else Matters, Mama Said, Low Man Lyric and The Unforgiven III.
Then of course we could debate forever on what is a ballad, a slow song, if the songs that end up fast can be categorized as more complex songs etc but the "songs that you can pull out the lighter to and use them to make out with your girlfriend" are those ones for me.
Until it Sleeps (track 4 on Load) is considered a ballad while Kill 'Em All doesn't have one.
:umno:
Really loving 'Dream No More'. It's a combination between the best of Load and the best of the Black Album.
From what I've heard so far this a pretty strong album. It's got a bit of the generic Metallica stuff we're used to, but also some pretty good atypical stuff. It honestly sounds like more of a continuation of the Load albums than of DM.
From what I have heard, I don't see the Black Album comparison. TBA had hooks galore, musically and vocally, in every song; I haven't heard a single vocal hook in the handful of songs I've heard from the new album.
From what I've heard so far this a pretty strong album. It's got a bit of the generic Metallica stuff we're used to, but also some pretty good atypical stuff. It honestly sounds like more of a continuation of the Load albums than of DM.
From what I have heard, I don't see the Black Album comparison. TBA had hooks galore, musically and vocally, in every song; I haven't heard a single vocal hook in the handful of songs I've heard from the new album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGoZ_pQY-14
Making of Here Comes Revenge.
Pretty cool. It's interesting that Kirk is barely in it and only shows up to be told what to do.
Edit: Looks like they're putting up all (or most) of the making of's now. Doing Moth Into Flame right now, and again no Kirk.
Unless they do a total remix for the DM Deluxe Boxset.
Unless they do a total remix for the DM Deluxe Boxset.
Eh, I wish, but I'm not holding my breath.
New album is great. If excluding Rob & Kirk gets these results again i'm all for it.
Yes but he only has one writing credit.
Yes but he only has one writing credit.
True, but he's pretty present for the writing anyway. His bass is also the most present that bass has been on a Metallica album in possibly forever. The lead bass riff in Spit out the Bone is just orgasmic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLPC3t5hWvo
Making of Dream No More.
Yes but he only has one writing credit.
True, but he's pretty present for the writing anyway. His bass is also the most present that bass has been on a Metallica album in possibly forever. The lead bass riff in Spit out the Bone is just orgasmic.
And I'm sorry, but I can't help but just assume that every riff, every lick, every chord is really James.
Am I Savage has that stupidly heavy middle and outro.
:metal Also it's Hetfield's favourite part on the album.
I might have said this before, but that middle/outro riff is the best riff on the album. By far.
Most of the solos are incredibly nothingy, but I do quite enjoy the one in Spit Out the Bone. It's not exactly amazing, but it at least feels like he actually wrote one rather than just playing whatever, and it's more interesting as a result.
Doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the album though, as almost all the solos are short and not really a key feature.
Tom Morello :tdwn
Literally anyone with a kill-switch and a whammy pedal can sound like him.
Tom Morello :tdwn
Literally anyone with a kill-switch and a whammy pedal can sound like him.
"Guys like Morello" seemingly implies that he is part of a big horde of uninspiring guitarists when it comes to soloing but maybe thats just my interpretation.
Whether you like it or not, at least he did something no one had done before. And i know that that alone doesn't justify anything, but saying they're 'not real solos' is just plain incorrect.
What's with all the Tom Morello bashing? Totally unique and inventive guitar player of you ask me.
Apparently Lars coached Kirk on how to make the solos.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/kirk_hammett_lars_coached_me_on_how_to_make_solos_for_new_metallica_album.html
Tom Morello :tdwn
Literally anyone with a kill-switch and a whammy pedal can sound like him.
That sweet little solo in Audioslave's Like A Stone is more memorable than anything Kirk has ever put out.
Apparently Lars coached Kirk on how to make the solos.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/kirk_hammett_lars_coached_me_on_how_to_make_solos_for_new_metallica_album.html
That's a bit of a loaded headline. It's merely just lars suggesting solo arrangements. Like Kirk says - Lars isn't a melodic musician so doesn't suggest scales or anything.
Replace Lars with Greg in the article and all of a sudden it's a perfectly acceptable suggestion.
Apparently Lars coached Kirk on how to make the solos.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/kirk_hammett_lars_coached_me_on_how_to_make_solos_for_new_metallica_album.html
That's a bit of a loaded headline. It's merely just lars suggesting solo arrangements. Like Kirk says - Lars isn't a melodic musician so doesn't suggest scales or anything.
Replace Lars with Greg in the article and all of a sudden it's a perfectly acceptable suggestion.
I can picture Lars now..
" No no no! What the hell are you doing premepting the dominant with a major 7th? Do you listen to Metallica and think words like Ionian? No! You think pentatonic! Now stick to the 12th and 14th frets and shut your pie hole!"
" No no no! What the hell are you doing premepting the dominant with a major 7th? Do you listen to Metallica and think words like Ionian? No! You think pentatonic! Now stick to the 12th and 14th frets and shut your pie hole!"
Morello has a few solos that suck, but that is most certainly not one of them. My favorite of his is "I Am the Highway." Incredibly simple, but perfect for the song and extremely tasteful.Tom Morello :tdwn
Literally anyone with a kill-switch and a whammy pedal can sound like him.
That sweet little solo in Audioslave's Like A Stone is more memorable than anything Kirk has ever put out.
Yep. I'll never forget how awful that solo is.
Serious question... I am reading a lot of "complaints" about Kirk's solos. For the most part, I never really pay attention to his solos as I'm more focused on what James's rhythm guitar is doing, or Lars on the drums. My question is: would it be better if they went the St. Anger route, and completely eliminated the solo? Does it take away from the song so much that it would be better if it weren't there? Or would it seem like something's missing if it were gone?
HTSD suffers a bit from having a solo in every song. Sometimes they just don't fit and you tune out until it's over.
Am I the only one who thinks Kirks solos are awesome and brilliant on this album? I feel he's back in form and his solos make the album that much better!
His solos on this are better than DM, IMO. Still not on par with anything he was laying down pre- St. Anger though.
[His solos on this are better than DM, IMO.
[His solos on this are better than DM, IMO.
Not a chance. DM actually had decent solos, this album is just downright terrible in that regard.
The solo for End Of The Line was literally just any old shit. It wasn't even on tempo.
I had a thought the other day.
Since Metallica were Metallica - so since Kill Em All basically - how many people have QUIT Metallica ? Jason Newsted.
That's it.
One Person. Obviously Cliff died so it doesn't count.
Now - how many people since Megadeth's debut album have QUIT the band ?
I guess Lars is easier to get along with than Mustaine :lol
Thank you for this super intellectual insightful analysis.
Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."
Thank you for this super intellectual insightful analysis.
Train of Naught - Am I Cunt?
Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."
Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........
Anywho.... finally listened to the 3rd CD of bonus material.
Lords of Summer sounds MUCH better properly recorded, but still wasn't near the level of the other songs, IMO, basically due to the lyrics. The cover songs are great, Metallica has always been great at covers. And the live set from record store day or whatever sounds really good too!
That whole disc worth of material plus the other 2 discs, all for $9.99 on Amazon?! Good stuff!
Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."
Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........
Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."
Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........
Which band is that?
Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."
Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........
Which band is that?
Sounds like the MP situation, or am I wrong?
Jason wanted to do his own thing and James thought it would devalue Metallica so they didn't allow any of Metallica to do side projects.
Portnoy wanted to leave Dream Theater to join AX7 ( they confirmed this themselves. Of course Mike would never admit it ) - they are quoted as saying
" He came to us and said I quit Dream Theater to be with you guys full time ! "
How did this turn into another MP bashing thread? ???
Jason only left because he wanted to participate in other projects and the guys said "no". What else is one to do then say "screw you guys, I'm going home."
Sounds like a certain drummer from a favorite band of mine.........
How did this turn into another MP bashing thread? ???
I think I can finally post my song rankings for HTSD:
1. Spit Out The Bone
2. Halo On Fire
3. Now That We're Dead
4. Dream No More
5. Atlas, Rise!
6. Moth Into Flame
7. Am I Savage?
8. Here Comes Revenge
9. Confusion
10. Hardwired
11. Murder One
12. ManUNkind
I'm surprised Confusion isn't liked more as that main riff is right off And Justice For All to my ears.
Jason wanted to do his own thing and James thought it would devalue Metallica so they didn't allow any of Metallica to do side projects.
Portnoy wanted to leave Dream Theater to join AX7 ( they confirmed this themselves. Of course Mike would never admit it ) - they are quoted as saying
" He came to us and said I quit Dream Theater to be with you guys full time ! "
That's why I said Mike would never own up to it.
I specifically recall an interview with AX7 some time after the fact about it and they said that's exactly what he did.
I don't recall anyone from DT or MP saying that's what happened, but I always felt in the back of my mind that MP thought the grass was greener on the A7X side being that they are a much bigger band and MP played a smaller role meaning he didn't need to work as hard to make more money in A7X.
https://youtu.be/9tZrqNlQ7_Y
Right around the 10:25 mark.
https://youtu.be/9tZrqNlQ7_Y
Right around the 10:25 mark.
Yup, that's it.
Because talking about the mediocre Metallica album is not fun :corn
Because talking about the mediocre Metallica album is not fun :corn
Because talking about the mediocre Metallica album is not fun :corn
We haven't talked about Death Magnetic for a few pages now.
It's easily their best album since Metallica.
Because talking about the mediocre Metallica album is not fun :corn
It's easily their best album since Metallica.
"Easily" in the sense that it didn't take that much of an effort to make an album better than the ones that followed the black album? ;D
I wouldnt say hardwired is mediocre, but i find DM and Load (which to me, both sounds like they influenced hardwired) better in every single way.
If I had it my way, I'd kick out Kirk and bring back Mustaine. I'd love to see what the Mustaine-Hetfield-Lars songwriting team comes up with today (besides eventual news that one of them killed the other). Loved Trujillo as a bassist pre-Metallica, so he's pulling.
I wouldnt say hardwired is mediocre, but i find DM and Load (which to me, both sounds like they influenced hardwired) better in every single way.Yeah, I can get behind that.
After some more listens, I would rate this above mediocre but not as a great album. Better than expected from Metallica at this point, but I would say about 25% of the album feels like filler another 25% is awesome and the rest is just solid, but not spectacular. A
I wouldnt say hardwired is mediocre, but i find DM and Load (which to me, both sounds like they influenced hardwired) better in every single way.
I wouldnt say hardwired is mediocre, but i find DM and Load (which to me, both sounds like they influenced hardwired) better in every single way.
Except for Vocals, Production, Drumming, Arrangement and Lyrics. :hat
I can't say that Death magnetic is better than Hardwired in any of those areas.
I wouldnt say hardwired is mediocre, but i find DM and Load (which to me, both sounds like they influenced hardwired) better in every single way.
Except for Vocals, Production, Drumming, Arrangement and Lyrics. :hat
I can't say that Death magnetic is better than Hardwired in any of those areas.
Yeah I'm with you on this one Kotow, I think Hardwired is their best since TBA or Load.
Agreed as well, but that's not saying much.
Agreed as well, but that's not saying much.
:lol Well I guess it depends, for me that puts Hardwired probably somewhere in the middle of their catalog. For this point in their career, I consider that pretty good.
Agreed as well, but that's not saying much.
:lol Well I guess it depends, for me that puts Hardwired probably somewhere in the middle of their catalog. For this point in their career, I consider that pretty good.
1. Master of Puppets
2. TBA
3. Ride The Lightning
4. Hardwired
Edited without any consideration for being realistic :metal
Hardwired
Atlas, Rise!
Damage Inc.
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Moth Into Flame
Now That We're Dead
Dream No More
Sad But True
One
Fixxxer
Master Of Puppets
Fight Fire With Fire
Halo On Fire
Unforgiven II
Harvester of Sorrow
Whiskey In The Jar
To Live is to Die
Creeping Death
Spit Out The Bone
Here's the thing. I can see some of the Load/Reload songs returning to the set, since those albums are gaining appreciation as years go by, and some 80s songs finally taking a break because enough is enough. This is me predicting it more than wishing in, though.
The Ecstasy of Gold
Hit the Lights
Master of Puppets
The Shortest Straw
Seek & Destroy
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Ride the Lightning
Through the Never
All Nightmare Long
Sad But True
The Call of Ktulu
One
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Blackened
Fade to Black
Enter Sandman
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Die, Die My Darling (Misfits cover) (with Slayer, Megadeth and Anthrax)
Damage, Inc.
Creeping Death
Speaking of setlist, this is the only Metallica show I've ever attended:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2011/arena-concerti-fiera-milano-rho-italy-1bd361b8.html
Not THAT bad for my first and only Metallica concert, uh? ;D :metal
RTL is my favorite album of all time, so for them to casually play over half the album, it would make me go crazy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7TvWdVXoD8
The Making Of " Now That We're Dead ".
I've read elsewhere that James has said that Kirk is totally un-interested and disconnected in the studio. Lars and him will be discussing something and Kirk is just reading and not participating.
Maybe he just isn't into it anymore and treats it more like work rather than his hobby.
I'm loving the making of videos. And I kind of agree with you here. It seems like the others have a lot more influence on what actually ends up on the record than Kirk does, solo wise. Which is fine, but it means that some of the blame for lackluster soloing has to fall on them, not Kirk.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7TvWdVXoD8
The Making Of " Now That We're Dead ".
Awesome video, I'm starting to wonder if some of my issues with the guitar solos on this record are Kirk and his playing or with the choices and directions of others (Lars and Greg). I liked some of the stuff he laid down in this video way more than what made it on to the album.
I'm wondering if he came in, did a bunch of passes, and then left. After he was gone Lars and Greg cut those takes together and made stuff they liked. If that's the case, shame on Kirk for not having a more invested interest on what his solos would be on the record.
Which is fine, but it means that some of the blame for lackluster soloing has to fall on them, not Kirk.
. Plus no f'in Bob Rock to frack things up.
Plus no f'in Bob Rock to frack things up.
Plus no f'in Bob Rock to frack things up.
ikr, I hated it when Bob Rock injected liquid at high pressure into subterranean rocks, boreholes, etc. so as to force open existing fissures and extract oil or gas. Easily the worst part of Reload.
At the start of the Some Kind Of Monster movie - Lars says he envisions " an angry, aggressive fucked up album ".
What is everyone's favorite Metallica song? If you have one
Mine is Orion
Right now my favorite Metallica song is No Leaf Clover.
Right now my favorite Metallica song is No Leaf Clover.
Maybe when the next album surfaces it could be a new classic like Master / Black.
It's a very, very long interview, much of it focused on bees. For some reason I still listened to all of it. :lol
It's a very, very long interview, much of it focused on bees. For some reason I still listened to all of it. :lol
Listening to it now, it's a shorter interview by rogan standards :lol
Pretty good interview so far.
Just finally got around to throwing my copy of disc 1 on today in the car. Didn't have any expectations for this, but I really enjoyed it. Atlas has some good melodies, Now That We're Dead, screams Load as does a lot here and the chorus is great. Halo on Fire is killer too with the excellent Outlaw Torn style second half. Solid, looking forward to the second disc.
Just finally got around to throwing my copy of disc 1 on today in the car. Didn't have any expectations for this, but I really enjoyed it. Atlas has some good melodies, Now That We're Dead, screams Load as does a lot here and the chorus is great. Halo on Fire is killer too with the excellent Outlaw Torn style second half. Solid, looking forward to the second disc.
Disc 2 is overall a lot more Reload. Mid paced and kinda experimental. But Am I Savage has the best riff on the album. You'll know it when you hear it.
Spit Out The Bone is amazing.
Confusion has a very And Justice For All verse riff.
Here Comes Revenge is a favorite here at the moment. Love the build up from the end of the verse to the pre-chorus.I'm working on learning Here Comes Revenge through Rocksmith today. Man, I really need to get back into shape for this style of music. I worked through the first half the song and my right arm is toast.
Top 3 Hardwired To Self Destruct tracks...
1. Spit Out The Bone
2. Dream No More
3. Halo On Fire
Just finally got around to throwing my copy of disc 1 on today in the car. Didn't have any expectations for this, but I really enjoyed it. Atlas has some good melodies, Now That We're Dead, screams Load as does a lot here and the chorus is great. Halo on Fire is killer too with the excellent Outlaw Torn style second half. Solid, looking forward to the second disc.
Disc 2 is overall a lot more Reload. Mid paced and kinda experimental. But Am I Savage has the best riff on the album. You'll know it when you hear it.
Spit Out The Bone is amazing.
Confusion has a very And Justice For All verse riff.
Yeah pretty much that. I'll be curious to hear your thoughts on the second disc wolf... Like Kotow said, it's very Load-Reloadish outside of Confusion (could have been on AJFA) and Spit Out the Bone (could have been on any of the first four albums).
Cheers boys. Still on disc 1, I think it's fantastic. Will crack onto disc 2 tomorrow. I shouldn't have a problem with the Reload references, I always found a lot of stuff on that disc to like.
I think Moth is the trickiest song on the new album. Lots of fiddly parts.
Here Comes Revenge is a favorite here at the moment. Love the build up from the end of the verse to the pre-chorus.
5. Murder One. Most people's least favourite. not *bad* by any means. Just not a stand out.
I think Moth is the trickiest song on the new album. Lots of fiddly parts.
Yeah, I learned most of Atlas, but Moth has some tricky right hand stuff going on, it's hard to get perfectly tight.
It's that awkward verse rhythm with that fiddly turnaround going right back into that awkward rhythm. Hardest thing on the album.
Terrific album from start to finish. The only downside is Kirk, he's just a shithouse guitarist and the songs could be so much more with some thought, imagignation and technique put into the solos.
Terrific album from start to finish. The only downside is Kirk, he's just a shithouse guitarist and the songs could be so much more with some thought, imagignation and technique put into the solos.
I have been pleading with Jaymz to get Skolnick in since the 80's but he won't listen :lol
I was listening to the new album earlier today & this question popped into my mind: if this album had an instrumental, what track would you want it to be?
Hetfield's favourite track on the new album is 'Dream No More' (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/james_hetfield_whats_my_favorite_song_from_new_metallica_album.html).
I'm waiting for tour dates. Can't wait to see these songs live, and to see what kinda visuals they come up with.
Hetfield's favourite track on the new album is 'Dream No More' (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/james_hetfield_whats_my_favorite_song_from_new_metallica_album.html).
Me too.
I'm waiting for tour dates. Can't wait to see these songs live, and to see what kinda visuals they come up with.
https://metallica.com/tour
I'm waiting for tour dates. Can't wait to see these songs live, and to see what kinda visuals they come up with.
https://metallica.com/tour
Sorry, AMERICAN tour dates lol
That double bass in Lords Of Summer! :o Not bad, gramps!
That double bass in Lords Of Summer! :o Not bad, gramps!
He can do 16ths like in the break in Blackened still but he can't keep it up for as long as he once could.
The double-time double bass at the end of Fade To Black live he can still do no trouble.
I like how Here Comes Revenge is in Gminor in the verse and E minor in the chorus and it goes between the two without sounding jarring.If I have to be honest, the transition to E minor sounds extremely anti-climactic and underwhelming to me, it pretty much kills the song for me. The verses are very unique melodically, and then they go back to generic riffing and overused key.
If this was an 8 track album like Ride & Master - i'd have all of Disc 1, Confusion and Spit Out The Bone.
I like the new version of Lords of Summer. It's a big improvement.
But I still don't think it's good enough to be on the album proper.
I'm glad a proper studio version of it exists though.
Wow a lot of people are comparing this album to Load/Reload... Which is a huge exaggeration IMO. Not all the songs have the same speed or kick as DM, but it's still a Metallica Thrash album, which Load and Reload most definitely were not.
:o Hardwired to Self Destruct has sold 1.5m copies already !!!
Amazing !
:o Hardwired to Self Destruct has sold 1.5m copies already !!!
Amazing !
All on Metallica's own label too, good for them.
:o Hardwired to Self Destruct has sold 1.5m copies already !!!
Amazing !
All on Metallica's own label too, good for them.
While still having the entire album free to stream/watch on youtube. Pretty cool :metal
Quote from: cramx3While still having the entire album free to stream/watch on youtube. Pretty cool :metal
Free yes but they still make money off it from adverts I bet.
All the album music videos ( for Hardwired alone ) have over 70 million views.
Plus you have behind the scenes, making of the videos, MetOnTour vids of all the song debuts.
They know what they're doing.
I've got the 3CD version and have the Vinyl version on the way. Looking forward to hearing how it sounds on record ! :)
Is there a reason why this album isn't just 1 disc?Not really, the band just wanted it on 2. I think James might've mentioned that more space = better sound quality, but I don't know if that's true.
It's not true. Digital music isn't affected by the amount of space. This isn't vinyl. :lolIs there a reason why this album isn't just 1 disc?Not really, the band just wanted it on 2. I think James might've mentioned that more space = better sound quality, but I don't know if that's true.
Is there a reason why this album isn't just 1 disc?Not really, the band just wanted it on 2. I think James might've mentioned that more space = better sound quality, but I don't know if that's true.
No comment on the digital (I have almost 26,000 songs on my iPod, and MAYBE 100 of them aren't on a CD somewhere in my basement) but for me, since I don't feel like I paid more for the extra CD, I think it works. There's nothing worse than having a 78 minute CD where you feel ready for a piss break (pibroch, to our Tull fans) about 42 minutes in. I think in large part I liked it as much as I did because I got a chance to absorb it in a way that doesn't always happen in music these days. I contrast that with the new Marillion, which is good (well, after seeing much of it live, it's VERY good) but was a sort of slog to get through. And honestly, if I wasn't seeing them a week after I bought it, and wanting to know the music and give it a chance, I may not have listened to it ever again. What I did was create a playlist with the recent setlists and those songs were interspersed with others from the catalogue and it made it more digestible.
I would've taken out ManUNkind and Murder One, then it could be on 1 disc. Those 2 could've been put on the bonus disc.
20 minutes of BAD on Side A, and 20 minutes of ASS on Side B.
I would've taken out ManUNkind and Murder One, then it could be on 1 disc. Those 2 could've been put on the bonus disc.
20 minutes of BAD on Side A, and 20 minutes of ASS on Side B.
:tup
Many of the albums I grew up with (a small selection pictured below - the tapes I still have left) may now be considered EPs. :lol I really don't appreciate all the extra subpar tracks we get these days. Gimme 7-8 awesome tracks without the 5-6 fillers and bonus tracks any day. Unless it's one of those JAP editions where the bonus track was usually album quality - even the best song ::)
(https://s23.postimg.org/kk9gu1qej/tapes.jpg)
20 minutes of BAD on Side A, and 20 minutes of ASS on Side B.
Dude, I can't make out every one of those, but of the ones I can, I have EVERY one on vinyl, dubbed to a Memorex (or Maxell) cassette for use in the car. Diver Down, Whitesnake '87, Rising Force...
I know I'm going to sound like TAC here,:lol
20 minutes of BAD on Side A, and 20 minutes of ASS on Side B.
Bad on side A, Ass on Side 2 ?
What a rubbish album!
I know I'm going to sound like TAC here,:lol
You do know you're older than me, right? (Class of '86)
There's been a number of albums that have been released this year around 40 minutes. Been loving the Seven Sisters CD. NWOBHM style a la Def Lep's debut.
20 minutes of BAD on Side A, and 20 minutes of ASS on Side B.
Bad on side A, Ass on Side 2 ?
What a rubbish album!
Haha, I'm glad you noticed that, because I meant it to all add up to just plain BAD ASS! :)
2. Ride The Lightning alone sold more than Dystopia by Megadeth :rollin
2. Ride The Lightning alone sold more than Dystopia by Megadeth :rollin
In 2016? Or RTL's original run?
That's impressive. Have all of those other Metallica albums been re-released yet? Or was it due to renewed interest from Hardwired?
That's impressive. Have all of those other Metallica albums been re-released yet? Or was it due to renewed interest from Hardwired?
Kill Em All and Ride The Lightning have had deluxe Box Sets.
Master was due out in November but they decided to put out Hardwired instead and leave MOP til this spring.
2. Ride The Lightning alone sold more than Dystopia by Megadeth :rollin
In 2016? Or RTL's original run?
Just in 2016. Not sure if it was the RTL deluxe edition or both versions combined but still funny.
He makes the class of '86 seem like it's recent. :lolIt's not?
So anyway, easily, my favorite moment on Hardwired is the last 2 minutes of Halo On Fire. The "Darkness..say goodbye" part. It has such a Sabbath feel, very similar to The Straightener, which is tacked onto the end of Wheels Of Confusion.
Love it!
Ok Here's a poll without starting a new thread.
Metallica Album Artwork
[ ] Kill Em All. Ride The Lightning. Master Of Puppets. And Justice For All. Metallica
VS
[ ] Load. Reload. St Anger. Death Magnetic. Hardwired To Self Destruct.
I definitely prefer Load - HTSD album art. Load, St Anger and the new one are particularly striking. I'm not keen on cliched 80s "metal" artwork which is really cluttered and busy.
And Metallica is just Smell The Glove :biggrin:
I think the early group of album covers wins by a mile.
I think the early group of album covers wins by a mile.
But I find it rather striking. It looks like liquid fire..
Liquid Fire ?
So, a McDonalds coffee ? :neverusethis:
Can you imagine how much they'd get ripped to shreds if the new album from metallica in 2016 was called
Metal in your bum.
:rollin
My God. It would be worse than Lulu & St. Anger combined ( in the eyes of detractors )
"We're so fucked, shit out of luck," sounds like they were written by a 17-year old
The cover is Load is pretty cool. The only thing that kills it for me is the Metallica logo. I very much prefer the logo of the the first records.
So is that it for the making-of videos, or.....?
So is that it for the making-of videos, or.....?
They're still coming. I expect everyone at HQ has been on their holidays.
Pretty nice setlist. Not a Harvester Of Sorrow fan, but The Four Horsemen :metal
Did anyone check out this interview with producer Greg Fidelman? It's long (over an hour) but it's a great listen if you are at all interested in the recording process, gear they used, etc... in the studio for this album.
https://soundcloud.com/soundworkscollection/producer-greg-fidelman-metallicas-hardwiredto-self-destruct
Couple really interesting takeaways:
- They didn't track to a click, Lars would sometimes hear the click before they started tracking for reference or through an intro, but then they would shut it off and just go by feel.
- They used mostly the raw drum sound from the room with a small amount of samples layered on top.
- He goes into pretty good detail on the signal chain for certain drum mics, guitar signal paths, bass signal paths.
- Some of the stuff you hear on the album is one-take stuff they recorded on the floor (the drum track for Now That We're Dead).
Yeah I listened to it. I think the drum track for NTWD was *augmented* using the demo drums but not replaced entirely...
Yeah the album drums sound really natural for the most part.
Greg said that if you solo'd the drums and muted the samples - it'd not like the drums would disappear - you would notice "something" was different.
I think literally everything sounds better on this album.
I think literally everything sounds better on this album.
Well yea, that's certainly true.
Any good live videos surface of Halo or Dead yet?
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that they tuned it down.
He always sounds good at the start of a tour.
By the end there's no grit left.
But they're doing 50 shows a year nowadays and 2 or 3 days off at least between shows so we'll see.
Long gone are the days of 3 year tours playing 5 days a week.
I finally bought Kill Em All Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning on CD
I shoulda waited a bit longer as Kill & Ride were both the re-mastered editions.
Master Re-Mastered is due out this year. I could have got that too. Never mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFX9sJwYwGA
Now That We're Dead
Official Live Debut.
I kind of wish they wouldn't remaster MoP. It's perfect as is and once the remastered version of an album is released, it's almost impossible to find the original version. Besides, that's not the classic Metallica album that needs a remix and remaster (*cough* AJFA *cough*).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFX9sJwYwGA
Now That We're Dead
Official Live Debut.
:metal :metal
Sadly the drums are a bit low on this mix and for a rare time, it's a song where I really like Lars' playing. Still, I love how Metallica get's these pro shot videos of the new songs live out so quickly.
Finally i'm pretty close to calling Hardwired To Self Destruct my 3rd favourite Metallica album after Master Of Puppets and The Black Album.
Yeah I don't like Trapped Under Ice or Escape and there's nothing on Hardwired I don't enjoy.
Anyone else think the Mercyful Fate medley on Garage Inc is one of the greatest things Metallica ever recorded?? It's perfect in every way :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I was listening to Here Comes Revenge earlier in the car, these lyrics man..
Are the Chinese versions of all albums just four songs long? :lol
I don't know. When Confusion first came on, the intro sounded like a blatant attempt to re-do Am I Evil. (which I realize was a cover, but Metallica made it famous)
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a Metallica setlist with nothing played from MoP
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2017/mercedes-benz-arena-shanghai-china-43f8a3c7.html
That's my biggest problem with them, they don't switch it up with the setlists. They keep playing the same songs over and over, while a lot of the deep cuts get ignored. Now is the best time to do that, since they have a new album out. Play more new songs and bring some deep cuts to life (Fixxxer!!!)
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a Metallica setlist with nothing played from MoP
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2017/mercedes-benz-arena-shanghai-china-43f8a3c7.html
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a Metallica setlist with nothing played from MoP
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2017/mercedes-benz-arena-shanghai-china-43f8a3c7.html
That's an awesome setlist. The Chinese may be up to something with censorship, force the band to play something more unique.
Because they don't want people to hear a message about how drugs are bad and they ruin you? :biggrin:
Halo on Fire and Now That We're Dead sounded pretty tight on those LiveMet videos!
Halo on Fire and Now That We're Dead sounded pretty tight on those LiveMet videos!
Haven't watched NTWD yet. I thought Kirk was excellent on Halo. What a great song. That ending :hefdaddy
https://youtu.be/jdYW93poJsE?t=51s
^ Check this out. I get goosebumps every time I hear this riff. It's amazing. But on the album it's lost ALL of it's strut.
https://youtu.be/jdYW93poJsE?t=51s
^ Check this out. I get goosebumps every time I hear this riff. It's amazing. But on the album it's lost ALL of it's strut.
Yeah that riff works so much better at that tempo.
It dates back to the St. Anger Presidio sessions. It also shows up again in a slightly different form on Spit Out The Bone in the " The Flesh Betrays The Flesh " part.
Check it out.
Almost none of the fast songs on Death Magnetic had any swagger or groove to them. The All Nightmare Long demo was way catchier because they played it a tempoI'm afraid I don't agree. I mean, it's fine, but it does feel a bit sluggish. I much, much prefer All Nightmare Long.
that worked for the riff.
https://youtu.be/jdYW93poJsE?t=51s
^ Check this out. I get goosebumps every time I hear this riff. It's amazing. But on the album it's lost ALL of it's strut.
Almost none of the fast songs on Death Magnetic had any swagger or groove to them. The All Nightmare Long demo was way catchier because they played it a tempoI'm afraid I don't agree. I mean, it's fine, but it does feel a bit sluggish. I much, much prefer All Nightmare Long.
that worked for the riff.
https://youtu.be/jdYW93poJsE?t=51s
^ Check this out. I get goosebumps every time I hear this riff. It's amazing. But on the album it's lost ALL of it's strut.
It's all situational for me, sometimes pushing the tempo up is great, other times it needs to sit back. In this case, I agree with Kotow (and ANL is one of my favorites from DM) that riff just grooves really well at that slower tempo.
Yes it did.
For the sake of it.
Almost none of the fast songs on Death Magnetic had any swagger or groove to them. The All Nightmare Long demo was way catchier because they played it a tempo
that worked for the riff.
That Was Just Your Life was so fast live that James could barely sing it.
By comparison - every song on Hardwired is as fast as it needs to be to give the riff the best feel.
https://youtu.be/jdYW93poJsE?t=51s
^ Check this out. I get goosebumps every time I hear this riff. It's amazing. But on the album it's lost ALL of it's strut.
But my point is that Hardwired isnt really the return to "classic" Metallica like so many are saying. because isnt Classic Meta!lica the Thrash era? (the Pre-Black album stuff) So many seem to forget that They returned to thrash with DM, the Banget review for example.
But my point is that Hardwired isnt really the return to "classic" Metallica like so many are saying. because isnt Classic Meta!lica the Thrash era? (the Pre-Black album stuff) So many seem to forget that They returned to thrash with DM, the Banget review for example.
Stylistically, HW pulls from their entire catalog, from KEM to DM. I'd say from a quality perspective, it's a return to classic Metallica, meaning it's (IMO) a higher quality record in terms of songwriting, performances, production, etc...
KEA ;) ;)
Metallica just debuted Confusion in Beijing. Hoping we get that for the MetOnTour video ! :)
Yep.
"...::) Huh. So far Metallica hasn't played anything from disc two...they must think it's as shit as we all do....oh......"
Disc two has Confusion, Here Comes Revenge, ManUNkind ( a great song ) and Spit Out The Bone.
I'm going to guess that over the course of the year, they will play every song from the album and every song will get a live video as well.
I'm going to guess that over the course of the year, they will play every song from the album and every song will get a live video as well.
I expect so. I don't think they'll tease the fans by debuting a song and put up Sandman as the live vid.
I'm going to guess that over the course of the year, they will play every song from the album and every song will get a live video as well.
I expect so. I don't think they'll tease the fans by debuting a song and put up Sandman as the live vid.
:lol Looking forward to seeing a video of Confusion live. Not the best overall song from the new record (IMO) but it has some fantastic riffing including that main AJFAish riff.
I just want them to announce a NA tour
I'm also really looking forward to the live Blu Ray of this tour. That new intro with the extended HW and video looks amazing.
Mikeyd, that setlist is killer. I'm seriously thinking of seeing them if/when they hit the States. It depends on the venue, but...
Two Kirk solos, good lord.
Metallica Play ONE with a Piano Player in Beijing (https://youtu.be/pZ7wdhZ4Ti8)
Interesting. I know they played with him before too.
Some of their Instagram comments are all like :
" :angry: I can't believe they didn't play [song]..I didn't even go to the concert and i'm furious !!! "
And people saying their live sound is shit - when all they've heard is a YouTube upload of a cameraphone clip. . . . .
Confusion Live Debut Official Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJLkTxmVhfA)
Not bad. I'm not sure about Rob dropping out in the riff and it sounds just a hair too slow - but still better than rushing it.
One of the advantages of them growing older is that they don't speed up like 10BPM live and Lars is more relaxed.
Lars noticeably counts songs in a few BPM slower these days plus he doesn't rush like he used to. He's pretty solid these days. Almost back to how he was in the late 90s.
It's good to hear as he was getting pretty bad for a while there. He's doing something right. He's ben steadily improving over a number of years now.
While Lars is a bit better overall these days, his somewhat natural lack of ability to keep steady tempo becomes glaringly obvious in a groovy song like Confusion. I was actually looking forward to hearing a live performance of that song the most, but that just doesn't cut it. Also confirms their guitars sound too thin live; Rob didn't actually skip anything.
Rob definitely drops out. The camera cuts to him and he stops playing on that hammer on part of the riff.
Yeah that was weird, I wonder why he doesn't play through that, can't really tell on the album what he does since the mix is so different.
Just gonna stick the CD version on and see if he plays there.
... He doesn't.
IMO they knocked it WAY out of the park with this one. I've never been a huge follower of Metallica but this album is totally kicking
my ass. Absolutely LOVE it!
In Other News.
They are in Copenhagen right now and James is really sick. He cannot sing and stopped the show to say he can't sing and they want to stop the show. They played on anyway.
They might cut the set short. Shame. It happens I guess. Nothing you can do about it.
In Other News.For a moment, I forgot I was in the Metallica thread. I though we were talking about James LaBrie and was like "holy shit, already?" :lol
They are in Copenhagen right now and James is really sick. He cannot sing and stopped the show to say he can't sing and they want to stop the show. They played on anyway.
They might cut the set short. Shame. It happens I guess. Nothing you can do about it.
According to reports - the whole band got sick from visiting China.
If it was Axl Rose - he'd have cancelled the entire tour :lol
Poor James. He wanted to stop, but people made him continue....? He probably felt like collapsing!
Btw, Hardwired is threatening to replace Justice for my 4th favorite.....it's just too damn good.
Poor James. He wanted to stop, but people made him continue....? He probably felt like collapsing!
Btw, Hardwired is threatening to replace Justice for my 4th favorite.....it's just too damn good.
It's my third fave after Master and Metallica. I was never a huge AJFA fan.
Rumor just reported that Metalllica is doing a US stadium tour this summer with Avenged Sevenfold and Volbeat supporting.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rumor-metallica-to-tour-u-s-with-avenged-sevenfold-volbeat/
Rumor just reported that Metalllica is doing a US stadium tour this summer with Avenged Sevenfold and Volbeat supporting.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rumor-metallica-to-tour-u-s-with-avenged-sevenfold-volbeat/
I'm not a big fan of AS or Volbeat, I'm also not a big fan of stadium concerts, but if they come to Pittsburgh, I'm there. This album is too good to miss the supporting tour.
I don't like A7X (though I have mad respect for them), and Volbeat I just bad. But I am excited for the stadium bit though. Never seen em in that big of scale so it could be fun!
I don't like A7X (though I have mad respect for them), and Volbeat I just bad. But I am excited for the stadium bit though. Never seen em in that big of scale so it could be fun!
Eh, honestly I'd rather see them indoors in arenas rather than outdoor stadiums. For example, seeing concerts at PPG Paints Arena (where the Penguins play in Pittsburgh) is always a much better experience than seeing bands play Heinz Field (where the Steelers play). The sound at outdoor stadium gigs is just never as good. I get it, stadiums hold more people, more tickets sold, higher revenues, etc.. etc.. just not my personal preference.
Rumor just reported that Metalllica is doing a US stadium tour this summer with Avenged Sevenfold and Volbeat supporting.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/rumor-metallica-to-tour-u-s-with-avenged-sevenfold-volbeat/
I don't like A7X (though I have mad respect for them), and Volbeat I just bad. But I am excited for the stadium bit though. Never seen em in that big of scale so it could be fun!
Eh, honestly I'd rather see them indoors in arenas rather than outdoor stadiums. For example, seeing concerts at PPG Paints Arena (where the Penguins play in Pittsburgh) is always a much better experience than seeing bands play Heinz Field (where the Steelers play). The sound at outdoor stadium gigs is just never as good. I get it, stadiums hold more people, more tickets sold, higher revenues, etc.. etc.. just not my personal preference.
Same here, I like arenas better. More intimate. But I'll take what I can get.
Yea, I mean, I'd go further and would rather have a club concerts, but that's not happening. Well at least not on my budget for seeing Metallica since they actually played Webster Hall last year
I think 5 or 6 songs from the new album is pretty good in a Metallica set. They have a lot of material to cover.
I think 5 or 6 songs from the new album is pretty good in a Metallica set. They have a lot of material to cover.
Agreed. Also, I think there are only 5 or 6 songs I feel like I'd want to see over older stuff anyway since I've never seen them live.
I think 5 or 6 songs from the new album is pretty good in a Metallica set. They have a lot of material to cover.
Agreed. Also, I think there are only 5 or 6 songs I feel like I'd want to see over older stuff anyway since I've never seen them live.
Right, that's what's tricky about a Metallica set, there are a lot of songs that fans (casual not diehards) kinda expect to hear. Diehards might not want to, but your average concert goer is going to want to hear Seek, Hit, Creeping, Fade, Bells, Master, Battery, One, Sandman, Sad, Unforgiven, NEM, Fuel, etc... That's a bunch of set time right there.
I think they have been doing a good job so far of playing new stuff, live standards, and some other random things as well.
I've posted this before but I'd rather swap the following staples for lesser played songs...
1. Enter Sandman for King Nothing
2. Nothing Else Matters for Mama Said or Hero Of The Day
3. Sad But True for Devil's Dance
So you're one of those " everything after Justice is shit " guys ?Everything after Justice is not shit. TBA has aged wonderfully and there are many great tunes on it. Load has like 3 or 4 excellent songs and other than Fuel, Reload is a coaster. Same for St. Anger. Love Death Magnetic and really like Hardwired.
I personally think that Kill Em All is vastly over rated. It has a handful of good songs and a few lousy ones.
The one song they always play that I couldn't give a damn about is Seek and Destroy! I LOVE Metallica, I love Kill 'Em All and I've seen them live a few times but I just don't get the love for that song. If we're talking Kill 'Em All alone I'd rather see them play Hit the Lights, Motorbreath, Whiplash, The Four Horsemen and No Remorse over Seek and Destroy any day. I really don't see how it's become such a mainstay, there are so many other songs that I wish they'd play live. I know everyone will have that opinion on at least one of their live mainstays but still.
The one song they always play that I couldn't give a damn about is Seek and Destroy! I LOVE Metallica, I love Kill 'Em All and I've seen them live a few times but I just don't get the love for that song. If we're talking Kill 'Em All alone I'd rather see them play Hit the Lights, Motorbreath, Whiplash, The Four Horsemen and No Remorse over Seek and Destroy any day. I really don't see how it's become such a mainstay, there are so many other songs that I wish they'd play live. I know everyone will have that opinion on at least one of their live mainstays but still.
+1000. S&D is so BORING and just DRAGS. Agreed on No Remorse needing to be played more. One of their heaviest songs.
If they could get it to sound consistently good live, I would love for them to play Metal Militia more often.
I've posted this before but I'd rather swap the following staples for lesser played songs...
1. Enter Sandman for King Nothing
2. Nothing Else Matters for Mama Said or Hero Of The Day
3. Sad But True for Devil's Dance
I think it will age tremendously well.
Hardwired ( imo ) doesn't have one shit song in 84 minutes.
Pretty amazing.
Especially since they wrote it in about half the time they wrote Death Magnetic.
I wonder if it has anything to do with James writing 90% of the music himself?
On Death Magnetic - every member contributed to every song.
Seriously though - the section that starts " Stop breathing and terminate for me " is amazing along with that super melodic melody just before it.
If I saw a Metallica show with nothing but new tunes and deep cuts, I'd be pumped.
Spit Out the Bone is easily the best song on the album closely followed by Atlas Rise.
Spit Out the Bone is easily the best song on the album
Spit Out the Bone is easily the best song on the album
I keep reading this everywhere, which only makes me not want to check out the rest of the album. I mean, if that is the best thing on it, I can't imagine what the rest might be like. :eek :eek
Spit Out the Bone is easily the best song on the album
I keep reading this everywhere, which only makes me not want to check out the rest of the album. I mean, if that is the best thing on it, I can't imagine what the rest might be like. :eek :eek
I'll check it out. :coolio
Full disclosure: I liked Death Magnetic a lot when it came out, but I never listen to anything from that record anymore. I still think All Nightmare Long and The Judas Kiss are smoking tunes, but if I am in the mood for Metallica, I am going for Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets or The Black Album.
I am always open-minded when it comes to new music, especially by bands I am already a fan of, but I think I've heard three songs from this record and none of them made any kind of dent wth me. I am trying to remember the 3rd, but I know there was another, besides Spit Out the Bone and that silly ass song with the teenage lyrics ("we're so fucked. shit outta luck." :lol :lol).
I can't stand DM. At all. So when I say I love this album, it's from a guy who hasn't like a Metallica album for like 20 years. Of course, I really like Load/Re-Load, so take that for what you will.
I stopped following Metallica after the Load/Reload era and not a fan of DM at all either, yet I really love this album. Saying that, I think St Anger is a decent unique record too, so take out of that what you will.
I still like quite a few songs from those two albums combined, so that's cool. I think Devil's Dance is one of their better best post-Black Album tunes, and while half of Load is shit, the other half is really good.
I still like quite a few songs from those two albums combined, so that's cool. I think Devil's Dance is one of their better best post-Black Album tunes, and while half of Load is shit, the other half is really good.
Nothing can be shittier than Reload. I actually wanted to give it a second chance, but fell asleep when I listened to it in its entirety recently...
There's ONE good song on Reload. Fuel.
There's ONE good song on Reload. Fuel.
Oh come now TAC. You might not like the rest of the album, but you have to at least recognize that songs like Unforgiven II, Devil's Dance, Where the Wild Things Are and Fixxxer are very well written, well performed songs, even if you don't dig them at all.
You're not going to make me listen to Reload again are you??
Too late. I owe you an answer. Been ages since I listened. Only memory that remained (see what I did there!) is that it sucked. :lol
Too late. I owe you an answer. Been ages since I listened. Only memory that remained (see what I did there!) is that it sucked. :lol
You have a very bad Attitude towards this album Tim.
Too late. I owe you an answer. Been ages since I listened. Only memory that remained (see what I did there!) is that it sucked. :lol
You have a very bad Attitude towards this album Tim.
That's what Mama Said.
:neverusethis:
Too late. I owe you an answer. Been ages since I listened. Only memory that remained (see what I did there!) is that it sucked. :lol
You have a very bad Attitude towards this album Tim.
That's what Mama Said.
:neverusethis:
Wrong album mate, jeez!
Well we have the same top three then. :metalSpit Out the Bone is easily the best song on the album closely followed by Atlas Rise.
You sir left out Moth In Flame. Those three are my absolute favs!!
I find Unforgiven II amazing.
There's ONE good song on Reload. Fuel.
Oh come now TAC. You might not like the rest of the album, but you have to at least recognize that songs like Unforgiven II, Devil's Dance, Where the Wild Things Are and Fixxxer are very well written, well performed songs, even if you don't dig them at all.
There's ONE good song on Reload. Fuel.
Oh come now TAC. You might not like the rest of the album, but you have to at least recognize that songs like Unforgiven II, Devil's Dance, Where the Wild Things Are and Fixxxer are very well written, well performed songs, even if you don't dig them at all.
Reloads weak songs >> Loads weak songs.
Fuel is a meh song.
Halo on Fire wasn't bad, but it didn't make me want to listen again. It sounded like the chorus was supposed to be this catchy sing-along thing, but that's not really Metallica's forte.
There's ONE good song on Reload. Fuel.
Oh come now TAC. You might not like the rest of the album, but you have to at least recognize that songs like Unforgiven II, Devil's Dance, Where the Wild Things Are and Fixxxer are very well written, well performed songs, even if you don't dig them at all.
Reloads weak songs >> Loads weak songs.
Agreed.
There's *nothing* on Reload worse than Poor Twisted Me.
When I'm in the right mood, both of the Loads do it for me. I easily consider both stronger than St. Anger.
When I'm in the right mood, both of the Loads do it for me. I easily consider both stronger than St. Anger.
Oh God Yes.
Also the 10 absolute best songs from Load & Reload would be better than Death Magnetic.
Death Magnetic was the first time in their career where they stopped progressing and looked backwards.
To me, I can recall virtually every song on Death Magnetic with ease and it has some parts that I liked very much. For Hardwired, that was not the case. It's not a bad album, per se, it's just one that I honestly can't recall any memorable parts with ease and I can't see myself revisiting too often as much as Death Magnetic. Of course, I say that as a casual listener of Metallica and metal music, so what do I know? ::)
Wow, it's interesting to hear other views. To me, Hardwired is way, way, more memorable than DM. Vocally and instrumentally.
^ :o That's interesting ! Can you break down why you prefer DM to HTSD ?Well they're definitely close. I would put them in the same tier quality wise, with DM just barely edging out Hardwired. There's a long stretch of Hardwired (starting at the end of the first disc and going through the second disc) that I just don't care for. If the album was just the first disc with Spit Out the Bone and Am I Savage (and maybe even Lords of Summer) replacing the last two songs, it would trounce DM for me. As it is, the album is a little bloated. DM is too, but I think it is slightly more consistent.
I mean most people agree that Hardwired trounces Death Magnetic on nearly every level.
I'm not arguing - i'm genuinely curious.
It can't be the production. DM is thin and fuzzy and all the instruments sound bad. James vox are thin & dry and have no harmonies.
Two main problems with DM for most people seem to be production and overlong songs. Can't defend the production, it is unlistenable, although the 2016 remaster is OK. The bloated songs don't bother me too much. I am not going to argue that they are arranged well, but I am not bored by most of them.I think that bloat is something they've had a problem with for a very long time. You could easily chop a minute or two off of a TON of their songs and they'd probably be better, in my opinion. I'm still a fan, obviously, but they have a real tendency to linger on things like long intros/outros that don't really go anywhere.
But both are good. I hope it doesn't take 8 years for the next album because I think they're on to something great with Hardwired.
I mean most people agree that Hardwired trounces Death Magnetic on nearly every level.
But both are good. I hope it doesn't take 8 years for the next album because I think they're on to something great with Hardwired.
It won't be. James and Robert promised in separate interviews they won't make us wait that long again.
But both are good. I hope it doesn't take 8 years for the next album because I think they're on to something great with Hardwired.
It won't be. James and Robert promised in separate interviews they won't make us wait that long again.
But both are good. I hope it doesn't take 8 years for the next album because I think they're on to something great with Hardwired.
It won't be. James and Robert promised in separate interviews they won't make us wait that long again.
I don't put a lot of weight into what Metallica says as far as timetables. Last time they were in Boston (Jan 2009), they said it wasn't going to take 4 years to come back like it did the time before (Oct 2004). 8 years later, still waiting for a show...
But both are good. I hope it doesn't take 8 years for the next album because I think they're on to something great with Hardwired.
It won't be. James and Robert promised in separate interviews they won't make us wait that long again.
I don't put a lot of weight into what Metallica says as far as timetables. Last time they were in Boston (Jan 2009), they said it wasn't going to take 4 years to come back like it did the time before (Oct 2004). 8 years later, still waiting for a show...
They've said in countless interviews since the album came out that they won't take as long and they regret the gap and they always forget how much they love releasing new albums
and that they always want to release new music...So i'm sure there will be another one.
Unlike TOOL - they seem genuinely embarrassed that they took so long.
Het has even said in the past that he's ashamed that they've been a band for 35 years and released so little music.
I would be down with them releasing a 4 track EP every year instead of waiting 5 years for their 10 best songs.
Is it really Lars who drags his feet on getting new material released?
I would be down with them releasing a 4 track EP every year instead of waiting 5 years for their 10 best songs.
Hardwired...To Self Destruct has been a huge success. Everything they've done that isn't touring since 2008 has been a massive failure.
Hopefully that sends a very positive message. We want new music. Fuck 3D films. Fuck Festivals. Fuck collab albums....
Tour and record new music.
Word on the street is that a US tour will be announced on Monday...
Word on the street is that a US tour will be announced on Monday...
Word on the street is that a US tour will be announced on Monday...
Awww shit! 😀
Reasonably good interview with Het over in the "News" section at Eddie Trunk.com. He doesn't say anything really new, but he does show yet again why he's a legend and one of the classiest men in rock.
Word on the street is that a US tour will be announced on Monday...
Word on the street is that a US tour will be announced on Monday...
My body is ready
Both Iron Maiden and Metallica this summer!!! holy shit, my head is going to explode :metal :metal
Today is Cliff Burton's birthday. He would have been 55 ?
Anyway - Jason was always my favourite member of Metallica when he was in the band. But I think that Rob is by far their most technically proficient bass player.
Today is Cliff Burton's birthday. He would have been 55 ?
Anyway - Jason was always my favourite member of Metallica when he was in the band. But I think that Rob is by far their most technically proficient bass player.
Cliff to me is the greatest metal bass player of all time. He took what a bass player is supposed to do in a metal band and completely turned it on its head. He influenced so many bassists in a way that really only Flea and Jaco can match. I know that I wouldn't be a bassist if it wasn't for seeing Cliff play and I wish I could have been alive to see it in person. I know that (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth doesn't get much love here, but the first time I heard it my jaw was on the floor the entire time. It is still one of the holy grails of solo bass music and has certainly earned its place in Metallica's discography. Orion is a masterpiece for bass in terms of both playing and composing, with a well written a music bass solo following the absolutely breathtaking spacey middle section. His brilliance cannot be overstated.
Cliff to me is the greatest metal bass player of all time. He took what a bass player is supposed to do in a metal band and completely turned it on its head. He influenced so many bassists in a way that really only Flea and Jaco can match. I know that I wouldn't be a bassist if it wasn't for seeing Cliff play and I wish I could have been alive to see it in person. I know that (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth doesn't get much love here, but the first time I heard it my jaw was on the floor the entire time. It is still one of the holy grails of solo bass music and has certainly earned its place in Metallica's discography. Orion is a masterpiece for bass in terms of both playing and composing, with a well written a music bass solo following the absolutely breathtaking spacey middle section. His brilliance cannot be overstated.
Today is Cliff Burton's birthday. He would have been 55 ?
Anyway - Jason was always my favourite member of Metallica when he was in the band. But I think that Rob is by far their most technically proficient bass player.
Cliff to me is the greatest metal bass player of all time. He took what a bass player is supposed to do in a metal band and completely turned it on its head. He influenced so many bassists in a way that really only Flea and Jaco can match. I know that I wouldn't be a bassist if it wasn't for seeing Cliff play and I wish I could have been alive to see it in person. I know that (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth doesn't get much love here, but the first time I heard it my jaw was on the floor the entire time. It is still one of the holy grails of solo bass music and has certainly earned its place in Metallica's discography. Orion is a masterpiece for bass in terms of both playing and composing, with a well written a music bass solo following the absolutely breathtaking spacey middle section. His brilliance cannot be overstated.
- - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - -
METALLICA confirm collaboration album with LADY GAGA
15 track 3 disc set titled "Me-Ga"
Out April 1st on @BlkndRecordingsyes i'm joking
They are actually performing at the Grammy's right? I look forward to that.
Not a fair comparison, they were a different band then.They are actually performing at the Grammy's right? I look forward to that.
I would be if it was just them. Can you imagine them collaborating with Madonna or Whitney Houston in 1988?
That IS a joke right?
Apparently when Megadeth accepted their award, they played Master Of Puppets over the PA :lol
Apparently when Megadeth accepted their award, they played Master Of Puppets over the PA :lol
I had to look that up, because I was like "no way that happened".
Totally happened. I was surprised Mustaine didn't even comment on it.
Apparently when Megadeth accepted their award, they played Master Of Puppets over the PA :lol
I had to look that up, because I was like "no way that happened".
Totally happened. I was surprised Mustaine didn't even comment on it.
Bet you a million bucks that Lars had something to do with it.
So in terms of recent Metallica grammy appearances, which was better. The one with the pianist where everyone went crazy and sloppy at the end of One or this one with Lady Gaga with Hetfield's mic not working?
Apparently when Megadeth accepted their award, they played Master Of Puppets over the PA :lol
I had to look that up, because I was like "no way that happened".
Totally happened. I was surprised Mustaine didn't even comment on it.
Bet you a million bucks that Lars had something to do with it.
lol why? It wasn't over the PA, it was the house band. Likely a result of non-metal fans making the decisions without knowing the difference between the two bands.
God, that was a bit of a sham. I have no problem with Lady Gaga and think the performance could've gone really well. Shame James's mic fucked up. It all felt a little forced with Lady Gaga dressed the way she was, dancing like a stripper and crowd surfing. It did make me cringe a little.
The whole Master of Puppets playing when Megadeth collected their Grammy was even worse. The fact they played Metallica alone was a slap in the face but the rendition was an abomination!! Metal is not taken seriously as it is but this sort of thing only reinforces that mindset. Most people will have no clue who Megadeth are and probably thought that terrible version of MoP is how Megadeth sound! I would be livid were I Mustaine. No part of how metal was represented at the Grammy's made me proud to call myself a metal head. I know that isn't the point but my brother is a huge Lady Gaga fan and takes the piss out of my 'terrible' taste in music all the time. This could've been the chance to make him eat his words but alas :lol
I like Gaga the performer. By aside from a couple of tracks I find her music quite awful, I can't help feel she's wasting her talent with bland pop music. Get yourself a band Gaga and make a rock album as she seems natural.
I like Gaga the performer. By aside from a couple of tracks I find her music quite awful, I can't help feel she's wasting her talent with bland pop music. Get yourself a band Gaga and make a rock album as she seems natural.
Can someone explain to me why Metallica was in the Rock category and not the Metal Category? I mean they lost to the higly overrated Blackstar album by Bowie. Who wouldn't want to see Metallica vs. Megadeath? To me this proves the bias and lack of respect shown by the Grammy's towards metal.
Tour is official:I'm hoping to be there as well. It's been a while since I've seen them live.
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I expect to be at the 5/14 show in NJ :metal :metal :metal
It would have been crazy if it was just the mic not working or just master of puppets playing for megadeth, but the fact that both happened. Oh man :lol
And to go one step crazier, Megadeth comes from all the way in the back and you can see all the empty seats in the place. Damn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gpvXR3ifvo
A lot of my friends said no to the concert, it's on Mothers day. Why couldn't they play on Saturday...
*IF* the UK Tour includes a date anywhere remotely near me ( i.e. In South Wales ) I may consider going...
But if it's just the cities London Manchester Birmingham etc - no chance.
If they announce a Millennium Stadium or Cardiff International Arena date then I'll try get a ticket I guess.
so i what is the reason for Metallica being nominated in the hard rock category instead of metal? we could have had Megadeth vs Metallica. Grammy's are stupid.
so i what is the reason for Metallica being nominated in the hard rock category instead of metal?
05/10 – Baltimore, Md. – M&T Bank Stadium*^
05/12 – Philadelphia, Pa. – Lincoln Financial Field*^
05/14 – East Rutherford, N.J. – MetLife Stadium*^
05/17 – Uniondale, N.Y. – New Coliseum^
05/19 – Boston, Mass. – Gillette Stadium ^
05/21 – Columbus, Ohio – Rock On The Range Festival (SOLD OUT)
06/04 – St. Louis, Mo. – Busch Stadium^
06/07 – Denver, Colo. – Sports Authority Field*^
06/11 – Houston, Texas – NRG Stadium*^
06/14 – San Antonio, Texas – Alamodome*
06/16 – Dallas, Texas – AT&T Stadium*
06/18 – Chicago, Ill. – Soldier Field*
07/05 – Orlando, Fla. – Camping World Stadium*^
07/07 – Miami, Fla. – Hard Rock Stadium*^
07/09 – Atlanta, Ga. – Suntrust Park*^
07/12 – Detroit, Mich. – Comercia Park*^
07/14 – Quebec City, Quebec- Festival D’Ete
07/16 – Toronto, Ontario – Rogers Centre*^
07/19 – Montreal, Quebec – Parc Jean-Drapeau*^
07/29 – Los Angeles, Calif. – Rose Bowl*+
08/04 – Phoenix, Ariz. – University of Phoenix Stadium*+
08/06 – San Diego, Calif. – Petco Park*+
08/09 – Seattle, Wash. – Centurylink Field*+
08/14 – Vancouver, British Columbia – BC Place*+
08/16 – Edmonton, Alberta – Commonwealth Stadium*+
*With Avenged Sevenfold
^With Volbeat
+With Gojira
https://loudwire.com/metallica-2017-north-american-tour-avenged-sevenfold-volbeat-gojira/?trackback=tsmclip
I drove 4 hours each way two weekends ago to see a concert. If there is a will there is a way. But Im guessing, for you, the effort is just not worth it which is fine. Traveling and finding a spot to crash is costly. That's not including the ticket for the event and food and whatnot.
Umm......what?
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/lars-ulrich-we-were-talking-about-making-lady-gaga-a-permanent-member-of-metallica/
Umm......what?
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/lars-ulrich-we-were-talking-about-making-lady-gaga-a-permanent-member-of-metallica/
Humor.
Can she stand still for more than 2 seconds without going into a skanky stripper routine?
:lol
Yeah, this one just didn't work for me, but I do like seeing one off performances of something new and different in principle. The pianist performance I enjoyed. I think my problem with this one is that it felt like she was trying too hard to fit in with them, which felt forced and fake.
:lol
I actually would have preferred it if the other stuff stuck to pop, and let it contrast with the metal. When they're all pretending to be metal, it comes across as almost condescending, like they're badly trying to pander to a sub-culture they don't understand.
In general, perhaps, but I didn't get that impression with Lady Gaga, who I can definitely imagine enjoying a bit of metal.
Umm......what?
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/lars-ulrich-we-were-talking-about-making-lady-gaga-a-permanent-member-of-metallica/
Humor.
My God I hope so. Can't be too sure these days lol
GA tickets for the Texas dates range between $150 and $160, here I was thinking I was gonna go to all the Texas dates, with a 60$ to 80$ per ticket price range. Choke on a donkey dick Metallica, I'm not going to any of the shows.
Check out the "Enhanced Experience Packages", ranging from 300$ to 2,000$, but you enter the venue using a "Through The Never" gate, through my ass yeah.
Gag on it Metallica, make that donkey happy.
I agree with the people in the background. That was too much
I agree with the people in the background. That was too much
Yea, that seemed forced and was just annoying. I'm fine with Gaga acting like a stripper though.
Also, yea the ticket prices are absurd for this tour.
I agree with the people in the background. That was too much
Yea, that seemed forced and was just annoying. I'm fine with Gaga acting like a stripper though.
Also, yea the ticket prices are absurd for this tour.
They are ? I won't be going then.
Ticket prices are ridiculous. Skipping this.
The only stadium shows I've been to were when I used to have Pittsburgh Pirates season tickets, and after some of the Saturday games they'd have a short concert with a B-list band. The acoustics were always horrendous.
Actually, now that I think about it, I saw Kansas and Bad Company at a ballpark. I was close to the stage, though, so the sound was decent.
Cheapest are $55 before fees in Denver, then it goes all the way up to 130+. Other cities are more expensive.
Hah, I used to go to a bunch of those games at PNC Park too. I saw Styx and lynyrd skynyrd I think, along with a couple others.That's the season I had tickets, actually. Styx had the best performance of anyone that played that season. Skynyrd just came off as old to me. They didn't have the energy. And then they just yelled something about the troops every five minutes. :lol
Hah, I used to go to a bunch of those games at PNC Park too. I saw Styx and lynyrd skynyrd I think, along with a couple others.That's the season I had tickets, actually. Styx had the best performance of anyone that played that season. Skynyrd just came off as old to me. They didn't have the energy. And then they just yelled something about the troops every five minutes. :lol
I've only ever been to 2 stadium shows ever.
1995 REM Cardiff Arms Park. I was 15
2000 Oasis Wembley Stadium I was 20
Both were great for the atmosphere. Long day though. having to sit through support bands with an hour between each of them.
ALSO
On another forum
" If you can't afford $160 to go and see fucking METALLICA then you don't deserve to be a fan "
:rollin
These kind of fanboy sheep are hilarious. Like Metallica can do no wrong. Every single album is a 10/10 including St Anger " because it's fuckin METALLICA "
Already decided I'm skipping. It'll be over $350 for my wife and I to go, plus parking/refreshments. Not worth $500 to see them in a stadium and still be so far away.
Well, it seems they're gonna be staged in the middle of the stadium like they usually do.
Wait... it's not all stadium shows? There are arena shows on this run?
Why am I so out of the flippin' loop!
I went for the GA tix in Chicago. Prices are appalling, yes, but they're my favorite band and I haven't seen em in 8 years. So I was willing to take anything I can get.
I feel like a lot of the prices are because Metallica are going crazier and crazier with their stage show.
Personally, and I know this is the age of huge elaborate stage shows and people love them, I think Metallica should go back to what they did in the early 90's. Get the big thing in the center, a few screens maybe, and just rock it out. Let their charisma get everyone into it, it's not like they're lacking in that.
I feel like a lot of the prices are because Metallica are going crazier and crazier with their stage show.
Personally, and I know this is the age of huge elaborate stage shows and people love them, I think Metallica should go back to what they did in the early 90's. Get the big thing in the center, a few screens maybe, and just rock it out. Let their charisma get everyone into it, it's not like they're lacking in that.
Not just Metallica, Avenged too. There was an article I linked in the A7X thread about how they envisioned a bigger show with cirque du soleil dancers. I don't know if that'll happen for this tour or not, but both bands have stated they are shooting for big stage shows.
I feel like a lot of the prices are because Metallica are going crazier and crazier with their stage show.
Personally, and I know this is the age of huge elaborate stage shows and people love them, I think Metallica should go back to what they did in the early 90's. Get the big thing in the center, a few screens maybe, and just rock it out. Let their charisma get everyone into it, it's not like they're lacking in that.
I feel like a lot of the prices are because Metallica are going crazier and crazier with their stage show.
Personally, and I know this is the age of huge elaborate stage shows and people love them, I think Metallica should go back to what they did in the early 90's. Get the big thing in the center, a few screens maybe, and just rock it out. Let their charisma get everyone into it, it's not like they're lacking in that.
Not just Metallica, Avenged too. There was an article I linked in the A7X thread about how they envisioned a bigger show with cirque du soleil dancers. I don't know if that'll happen for this tour or not, but both bands have stated they are shooting for big stage shows.
That's unfortunate. I remember watching the Bing and Purge dvd's and man, it's just so simple and so amazing. Just a band playing on a cool unique stage bringing tons of energy.
I feel like a lot of the prices are because Metallica are going crazier and crazier with their stage show.
Personally, and I know this is the age of huge elaborate stage shows and people love them, I think Metallica should go back to what they did in the early 90's. Get the big thing in the center, a few screens maybe, and just rock it out. Let their charisma get everyone into it, it's not like they're lacking in that.
Not just Metallica, Avenged too. There was an article I linked in the A7X thread about how they envisioned a bigger show with cirque du soleil dancers. I don't know if that'll happen for this tour or not, but both bands have stated they are shooting for big stage shows.
That's unfortunate. I remember watching the Bing and Purge dvd's and man, it's just so simple and so amazing. Just a band playing on a cool unique stage bringing tons of energy.
Well, if they are playing huge stadiums, they kind of need to do more than just play on a stage. No one can see them :lol Although I'd love a stripped down heavy metal show, it's just not the reality of the band or most of these big bands anymore.
Their tours can't be that bad since World Magnetic was the 18th highest grossing tour of all time in 2010.
It's dropped out of the top 20 now though but still...
Didn't say anything about good.Well you haven't looked at their expenses.
Barto said their tours haemorrhage money.
Which doesn't line up with being the 18th highest grossing tour of all time.
Got my tickets for the MetLife show. Can't wait!
U2's 360 Tour is the highest grossing tour of all time at $750m.I'm sure it did turn a profit. Very likely a huge profit and the same with Metallica. Not sure what the point is here. Maybe the tour turned a half-billion dollar profit. And if Bono has to have fresh squeezed virgin's blood flown in from Scandinavia to bathe in each morning, maybe it only turns $496,000,000 profit. Still a pretty good profit despite squandering money foolishly.
Hard to believe that a gross of $750,000,000 doesn't turn some kind of profit !
I'm curious how much it costs Metallica to lug around a physical therapist and a nutritionist everywhere they go, but that's probably the least of their financial worries.
I'm curious how much it costs Metallica to lug around a physical therapist and a nutritionist everywhere they go, but that's probably the least of their financial worries.
Don't a lot of the crew bunk up on tour buses or something?
U2's 360 Tour is the highest grossing tour of all time at $750m.
Hard to believe that a gross of $750,000,000 doesn't turn some kind of profit !
I'll check stubhub a couple days before the show. If there is anything even the slightest bit reasonable, then I will try and go and consider myself lucky. The tickets prices as they are right now are absolutely not happeningThe Phili show looks to be selling for shit and there are a whole lot of uppers available on Stubhub, so you might do alright there. You won't get good seats but get-ins might well run under face value.
I'll check stubhub a couple days before the show. If there is anything even the slightest bit reasonable, then I will try and go and consider myself lucky. The tickets prices as they are right now are absolutely not happeningThe Phili show looks to be selling for shit and there are a whole lot of uppers available on Stubhub, so you might do alright there. You won't get good seats but get-ins might well run under face value.
I'll be curious to see how these shows sell. If they sell them out, good for them. I'm thinking this tour would probably be better suited for arenas not stadiums, but maybe I'm wrong.The new album is well liked and, more importantly, the tour's getting a ton of promo. I think they'll sell out plenty of them and come close in most others. Since they're playing end-stage rather than in the round they only get about half the stadium capacity at these gigs.
I'll be curious to see how these shows sell. If they sell them out, good for them. I'm thinking this tour would probably be better suited for arenas not stadiums, but maybe I'm wrong.The new album is well liked and, more importantly, the tour's getting a ton of promo. I think they'll sell out plenty of them and come close in most others. Since they're playing end-stage rather than in the round they only get about half the stadium capacity at these gigs.
Also, for the Stadiums, they are playing with another really huge american metal band. I think the vast majority of these shows sell well.So there is one in the round show this tour? I'm only referencing the Mexico City dates plus Dallas, which I've seen charts for. Seems odd that there would be both formats on the same tour.
The arena show I am referencing is also in the round though and is only Metallica.
So I saw somewhere on FB (some metal news site, not sure which one) that James pretty much shot down any idea of remixing AJFA, saying (paraphrasing here) - each record is a snapshot of history, and they don't want to erase history. I replied with something along these lines:
Not sure why Metallica and its fans can't have both. Next year is the 30th anniversary of And Justice for All. A landmark record for Metallica and loved by millions. For years, the biggest complaint was that they did Jason wrong by lowering his incredible playing so much that you can't hear it.
Why wouldn't you rectify it by issuing a 3CD anniversary edition of AJFA, with disc one being the original album, remastered; disc 2 being a 2018 remix of the album that brings the bass up, and showcases the incredible work of Jason; and disc 3 being a mix of demos, live versions from that eras, and if they exist, alternate takes?
They've done similar releases for the earlier albums. Why not with Justice?
I just hate that mentality by James. I get it -- erasing history is a big no-no. But it's not like you can only have one or the other. No erasing is necessary. Just add to the collective that is Metallica, and right a wrong that people have known about for 30 years. The beauty of being as successful as they are, is that you have the opportunity to do anything you want. No one would want to erase history. But making it a special bonus disc, as a part of a package? It's a no-brainer. They own all their recordings. No label will get paid. Just them. If there was any time to do something like this, it's now, when they are at another commercial peak. Just such a dick move not to do this.
Also, for the Stadiums, they are playing with another really huge american metal band. I think the vast majority of these shows sell well.So there is one in the round show this tour? I'm only referencing the Mexico City dates plus Dallas, which I've seen charts for. Seems odd that there would be both formats on the same tour.
The arena show I am referencing is also in the round though and is only Metallica.
The funny thing about AJFA is the people who say " AJFA sounds perfect as it is ".
I mean fair enough if you enjoy the way it sounds...
But I bet 100% that if And Justice For All - in 1988 - had the production of The Black Album - nobody would be saying
" Yeah it's good...but what would make it even better would be zero bass guitar "...
I understand not wanting to alter an album once it's out.
But I also don't see any harm in releasing a re-mixed version *alongside* a remastered original.
They have altered stuff in the past. The single for Some Kind Of Monster has a normal snare sound and the iTunes version of Death Magnetic is much cleaner than the CD.
That seems to be an arena, and not a particularly large one, at that. An end-stage gig would knock the capacity down to something wholly inadequate, so it certainly makes sense.Also, for the Stadiums, they are playing with another really huge american metal band. I think the vast majority of these shows sell well.So there is one in the round show this tour? I'm only referencing the Mexico City dates plus Dallas, which I've seen charts for. Seems odd that there would be both formats on the same tour.
The arena show I am referencing is also in the round though and is only Metallica.
https://www.ticketmaster.com/metallica-worldwired-tour-2017-uniondale-new-york-05-17-2017/event/0000524AD690622E?artistid=735647&tm_link=tm_homeA_header_search (https://www.ticketmaster.com/metallica-worldwired-tour-2017-uniondale-new-york-05-17-2017/event/0000524AD690622E?artistid=735647&tm_link=tm_homeA_header_search)
It's a one off show from the stadiums. It looks like its in the round from the seating picture.
They should play in the round for every stadium. Look at the numbers U2 pulled in.
At least 90,000 attendance for every date.
They should play in the round for every stadium. Look at the numbers U2 pulled in.
At least 90,000 attendance for every date.
They would not sell those out in the states, no way. They'd be playing to half-empty venues.
I thought The States were begging for a Metallica tour.
Hardwired sold like 2 million copies before the end of 2016. I thought they were huge. I guess not as huge as U2 ?
I thought The States were begging for a Metallica tour.
Hardwired sold like 2 million copies before the end of 2016. I thought they were huge. I guess not as huge as U2 ?
I mean, I'm completely speculating but my guess is that they would not sell out those shows. Maybe I'm completely misjudging their draw here.
I thought The States were begging for a Metallica tour.DEFINITELY not as huge as U2.
Hardwired sold like 2 million copies before the end of 2016. I thought they were huge. I guess not as huge as U2 ?
I might've considered laying down some money for a DM tour, but Hardwired? No way. But tbh, I think those prices are ridicous no matter what.
Definitely better than Death Magnetic lyrically. And St. Anger of course.
Probably his best lyrics since Load.
For me, Murder One and Am I Savage? are by far the most forgettable songs on the album. Then would come Confusion and ManUNkind. Everything else on the album, IMO, ranges from awesome to pretty good.
Am I Savage is underrated for sure. Great track. I love the groove in the main riff, and how wicked-sounding the prechrous is. Interesting lyrics too. And of course the monster riff in the bridge. I think it's the most Reload-sounding track on the album.
There's no outright dud on the album.
Just songs that are better than others.
Here Comes Revenge is such a great metal song, it gets stuck in my head alot. :metal
The outro on Halo on Fire is epic!
What does everyone think Kirk's top 3 leads are on this album ?
1. Halo outro is an obvious highlight
2. Moth Into Flame
3. Dream No More ? I like the way it ends up back on the original melody.
This is the stage set-up for the summer tour. It's huge!
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They pro shoot every single gig. I don't know why they can't live stream every show for a fee. That would absolutely make the money.
They pro shoot every single gig. I don't know why they can't live stream every show for a fee. That would absolutely make the money.
Because then no one would go to the actual gig.
Well, not actually "no one", but since people download music for free not caring for owning actual CDs, what stops them from saying "Eh, I pay just a little fee and see the concert anyway", not caring for paying a lot to actually be there (where maybe they would have the cellphone in their hand 80% of the time anyway)?
Yea, it's been advertised this tour is going to be crazy with the stage show for both bands so no surprise to see it's huge, but not sure on my feeling for the stage extension to come out. I'm not really a big fan of those because I feel like most bands don't walk down it when performing so it's not really useful. Im guessing it allows them to charge a crazy ticket price to be in that circle though.That section within the ramps is their "Snakepit". They had this initially on the Black Album tour and have periodically brought it back for their summer tours. As they're not available for sale on TM, I'm not quite sure how you get them. I think they're for contest winners and upgrades. It would be a pretty sweet way to see the show (IMO).
I bought it on Day 1.
So does anyone here not have HtSD?
Dougal : Ted, looks like an ordinary blackboard doesn't it ?That would be an ecumenical matter.
Ted : Yes ?
Dougal : But watch ! You can rub off the letters !
Ted : Dougal, you can do that with *any* Blackboard...
Dougal : :o What ?!
That is one helluva big stage. Seems to me that for people in the front section those screens would be overwhelming. I'll let y'all know how it looks IRL Sat. :metal
NOW THAT WE'REDEADDRUMS :p
https://www.facebook.com/MilanicaChannel/videos/1446799895370873/
Sound quality isn't the best. Might be cool in person.
NOW THAT WE'REDEADDRUMS :p
https://www.facebook.com/MilanicaChannel/videos/1446799895370873/
Sound quality isn't the best. Might be cool in person.
That's fucking awesome! Shit like this is why I consider them the best live band. The showmanship is just incredible.
NOW THAT WE'REDEADDRUMS :p
https://www.facebook.com/MilanicaChannel/videos/1446799895370873/
Sound quality isn't the best. Might be cool in person.
That's fucking awesome! Shit like this is why I consider them the best live band. The showmanship is just incredible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdxyVnJMg64I enjoyed her dancing, but that may be due to what she was wearing. Or rather, what she wasn't wearing.
Rehearsal with Lady Gaga, much better than the actual version. Better sound, better performances.
However, Lady Gagas dancing is just......not helping anything. I wished they included her style of music instead of her dancing. This isn't exactly a song to dance to.
So I just watched footage of James, Satriani, and Billie Joe Armstrong perform an acoustic mashup of Turn The Page and Blvd Of Broken Dreams.lol
I don't know how I feel about this...
:angry: Fucks sake I paid £150 to go and see / hear a rock band perform and I didn't even get punched in the face or hit over the head with a chair...As usual you misinterpreted my meaning (although perhaps this time I wasn't abundantly clear). While I had a blast at Slayer, last night was actually scary. There were probably 15k in my front floor section, and 10k of them were behind me and moving forward. I'm a genuine badass at concerts with 33 years under my belt and that's the first time I really felt concerned for my safety.
I'm confused, there are chairs on the floor? The rush at concerts when the band starts and everyone surges forward toward the stage can be kind of scary at small concerts, can't imagine that at a huge concert in Mexico where it's much rowdier than the US.Nah, I was just comparing the level of mayhem to a slayer show where there were (foolishly) chairs on the floor. This was wilder. And yeah, there were upwards of 35k on the floor, half in my section moving every which way. Spooky shit.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRRM074g8mI/It's only for one song. S&D wraps up the set. Then they play a random song and two steady ones for the encore where he's back at the regular kit.
Lars' Snake Pit kit.
It looks like all the drums and cymbals are electronic. I guess it makes sense. He only plays it for 3 songs and it saves having all the microphones in the way / balancing two whole kits to sound the exact
same. Plus i wouldn't be surprised if they sampled the live kit into it.
SNM
Or maybe it's a Lars solo song, titled "Stream No More"SNM
Sdream No More
Or maybe it's a Lars solo song, titled "Stream No More"SNM
Sdream No More
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb772B31FXE
Dream No More live from Mexico City.
When I listen to Hardwired, I immediately think of Kill em All.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irYapvdr-ow
Metallica : How We Wrote Spit Out The Bone.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRRM074g8mI/
Lars' Snake Pit kit.
It looks like all the drums and cymbals are electronic. I guess it makes sense. He only plays it for 3 songs and it saves having all the microphones in the way / balancing two whole kits to sound the exact
same. Plus i wouldn't be surprised if they sampled the live kit into it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irYapvdr-ow
Metallica : How We Wrote Spit Out The Bone.
Get rid of Murder One, and put Lords as track 1 on side B.As long as you get ride of Murder One, you can do whatever you want! Not a fan. at. all.
Murder One isn't the best song on the album but I can't understand why everyone hates it so much.
Compared to some of the tripe they've written over the years it's definitely album worthy.
I don't see it as " worst song on the album "
I see it as " Hardwired has 11 songs which I prefer "...
Murder One > > > Purify, Poor twisted Me, Escape, Vulturus etc...
Spit Out The Bone Live...With A Caveat... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsTPYIr2Nkc)
:biggrin:
Spit Out The Bone Live...With A Caveat... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsTPYIr2Nkc)Did you find this on /r/metallica?
:biggrin:
Speaking of 'Spit Out The Bone'::lol :lol :lol
Metallica's James Hetfield ft. Kirk Hammett/Lars Ulrich - Spit Out The Laugh (LaughCover) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA6mJujMVJ8)
:lol
Dude's got Hetfield down.
Am I the only one who doesn't hear a Kill 'em All vibe from anything except Spit out the Bone? They're actual return to thrash was Death Magnetic. That album was a badass thrash metal album.Real back to the roots stuff.
The new album is amazing as well. But I don't hear much thrash. There's the impression being given out that it is like their first few records, but to my ears it's much more like the Black album, or even a heavier Load at times. Which certainly isn't a bad thing.
What a great schedule that tour is for the band. Basically they go out and do 7 or 8 shows, then go back home for a while. Then repeat. Must be nice to be able to book tours like that!After 30+ years, they've certainly earned the right to tour that way. They have families they actually want to spend time with. More power to 'em. I can't wait to see them in Philly. It's been a long time.
Considering a London date. Depends on prices.
This is ME we're talking about :lolpalm:
Even if it was free and I had accommodation sorted and travel.
I'd still go :emo: oh what's the point.
My depression doesn't allow me to enjoy anything. :(
Plus I get really down after big gigs because they're on stage playing to 50,000
And I'm a massive worthless failure. :) :)
I'm starting to find that going to concerts alone is better. No one to distract you from enjoying the music.
I'm starting to find that going to concerts alone is better. No one to distract you from enjoying the music.
I'm starting to find that going to concerts alone is better. No one to distract you from enjoying the music.
I agree.
:emo: Y U NO LIKE MY RED VINYL ?!?!?
(https://i.imgur.com/esjL9E3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/esjL9E3.jpg)
Sweet! That red is really cool!
The vinyl sounds so good. I had it cranked and aside from being warmer - I swear there's more audible
cymbals. I remember Moth in particular sounding great.
You mean in general on the CD or do you have the album on Vinyl too ? :)
Hardwired sounds like it has a slightly more digital guitar sound than the rest. Not sure if this is from them recording it last minute or what.
What a great schedule that tour is for the band. Basically they go out and do 7 or 8 shows, then go back home for a while. Then repeat. Must be nice to be able to book tours like that!
Also I don't think Hardwired has as much going on with regards to layers.
It's essentially 2 rhythms bass drums and a solo.
What a great schedule that tour is for the band. Basically they go out and do 7 or 8 shows, then go back home for a while. Then repeat. Must be nice to be able to book tours like that!
Yeah, but with all that down time for practicing just imagine how awesome Lars is gonna sound.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but besides anything from Lulu, Just A Bullet Away is Metallica's worst song.
Anyway, shouldn't the thread title change from Reloaded to Hardwired? :D
This may be an unpopular opinion, but besides anything from Lulu, Just A Bullet Away is Metallica's worst song.
3 - 4 leads on hardwired the song ?
3 - 4 leads on hardwired the song ?
Ah, you didn't specify the song. I meant in general on the album.
3 - 4 leads on hardwired the song ?
Ah, you didn't specify the song. I meant in general on the album.
Yeah we were talking about Hardwired sounding different to the rest since it was recorded last minute.
I actually really like Just a Bullet Away. The clean middle section is one of the best things they've ever written, the main riff is badass, and the lyrics are pretty good.
I actually really like Just a Bullet Away. The clean middle section is one of the best things they've ever written, the main riff is badass, and the lyrics are pretty good.
It could be one of their best post-Load songs if it wasn't such a clusterfuck of an arrangement. It's a huge waste of potential because of Rick "Just pause it" Rubin.
The Making of Halo On Fire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61dWDizJ4Kc)
There can't be many left... Atlas, Rise ? Lords Of Summer ( maybe )
$150 for my ticket and that's mid level. Worth it for having never seen them plus Avenged Sevenfold.
Why not? You seem to be a passionate fan, and they don't come around all the time. It just seems a shame that you wouldn't be able to see them simply because of something like money. So, I repeat, if I send you 50 quid would you pick up the rest of the ticket price and go?
He'll send a pair of his shorts with 50 skids.
He'll send a pair of his shorts with 50 skids.
German ones.
Skid Marx.
Why not? You seem to be a passionate fan, and they don't come around all the time. It just seems a shame that you wouldn't be able to see them simply because of something like money. So, I repeat, if I send you 50 quid would you pick up the rest of the ticket price and go?
He'll send a pair of his shorts with 50 skids.
German ones.
Skid Marx.
FTFY :tup
I wouldn't want to go anyway. Too much hassle / travelling / planning etc...
It's only money and really not all that much, to me anyway.I wouldn't want to go anyway. Too much hassle / travelling / planning etc...
Fair enough.
October is too soon to organise everything.
Why not? You seem to be a passionate fan, and they don't come around all the time. It just seems a shame that you wouldn't be able to see them simply because of something like money. So, I repeat, if I send you 50 quid would you pick up the rest of the ticket price and go?
Again, Podaar, hats off for that selfless act :tup
because I hate myself :)
I have seen Metallica twice, both at festivals here in the UK. The first time was 2006 and I was probably at the height of my Metallica fandom. It was almost like a religious experience and was beyond words. Even just thinking about how amazing that experience was is making me consider getting tickets. I would urge any fan who hasn't seen them to make sure they see them live at some point. Kotow, you're obviously a big fan. I know you've said before about the difficulty of arranging it all and that you get post gig blues but I urge you to go for it. You 100% won't regret it.
Like I said before - it would take too much organising - my social anxiety / depression won't allow me to enjoy the experience and i'll just be super miserable afterwards
Hear, hear.Why not? You seem to be a passionate fan, and they don't come around all the time. It just seems a shame that you wouldn't be able to see them simply because of something like money. So, I repeat, if I send you 50 quid would you pick up the rest of the ticket price and go?
I just want to say kudos to you dude. That is a hell of a generous thing to offer to a fellow fan.
Hear, hear.Why not? You seem to be a passionate fan, and they don't come around all the time. It just seems a shame that you wouldn't be able to see them simply because of something like money. So, I repeat, if I send you 50 quid would you pick up the rest of the ticket price and go?
I just want to say kudos to you dude. That is a hell of a generous thing to offer to a fellow fan.
Now, when I find myself in SLC I'll be expecting steaks with my martini, Uncle Moneybags.
Love those " Metallica only got big because of Mustaine " comments. :lolpalm:
He wasn't even in the band when they recorded Kill Em All - which isn't even anywhere near their best album.
Ride The Lightning is such a huge step up and Master is another step up from that.
36 years into their career and they can still write albums like Hardwired To Self Destruct... and have the 18th biggest selling tour of all time... **
I think they're doing OK without Mustaine.
Also if Mustaine is such a genius - why have Megadeth had over 15 different line ups and sell nowhere near Metallica numbers ?
This isn't a fanboy talking. This is factual stuff.
I've tried to enjoy Megadeth but the music doesn't do it for me and his voice is a big obstacle.
** At the time. . .
He recently said that " I am one of the 4 best guitar players on the planet ".
There's no helping an ego that size.
I know I sound like a Metallica fanboy :p I don't intend to.
I've heard a lot of Megadeth and I can't enjoy it. But I have tried...
But any interview with Metallica from like St Anger time onwards - they always downplay their abilities.
Lars and Kirk especially have said many times that they're nowhere near what they used to be and modern players run circles around them.
To be fair, when you suck as bad as Lars and Kirk, you kind of have to admit that you suck. :P
I always tell myself I should check out some of the highly regarded Megadeth albums, but Dave's voice just really doesn't do it for me.
I always tell myself I should check out some of the highly regarded Megadeth albums, but Dave's voice just really doesn't do it for me.
Ditto
That's one of the reasons I love Devin Townsend so much. Dude has an ego the size of a pea.
Yea, Lars at least sticks to what he can do. Kirk just fails endlessly.
I remember seeing a video of Metallica hanging outside a trailer of a Metallica tribute band playing Creeping Death, and James says something like "I'm not used to hearing this song played in time.........sounds good!"
Tri...tto ?
This is what I saw in both shows. Lars played some double bass, but everything was stepped down a notch from the recordings. Halo on Fire was the best example of that. Otherwise he was fine, probably because he is aware of his limitations. He used the double-kick for effect, which is fine. I only heard Kirk fuck up a couple of times, but he was still pretty weak.To be fair, when you suck as bad as Lars and Kirk, you kind of have to admit that you suck. :P
I definitely think Lars' drumming ability is better than Kirk's lead playing ability.
Live - Lars almost never trainwrecks a drum part but Kirk cannot nail a single solo.
Lars has been steadily getting better since around 2006 whilst Kirk has only gotten worse.
https://youtu.be/4iVOnNmVItc?t=4m26s
^ Comparison. Kirk is all over the place and Lars is mostly solid. Even throws in the double bass. He does still rush drumfills but nowhere near as bad as he used to.
I remember seeing a video of Metallica hanging outside a trailer of a Metallica tribute band playing Creeping Death, and James says something like "I'm not used to hearing this song played in time.........sounds good!"
https://www.instagram.com/p/BSXKA89gra7/Only April Fools' joke that got me this year. I'd be so hyped if they actually played it, almost all songs there (Except Better than You and Ronnie) are songs I'd want to hear live. Minus Human, for fuck's sake :metal
:lol Joke Setlist
I wouldn't call it a 100% "joke" setlist...
:lol Joke Setlist
The difference was like listening to any song from And Justice For All and then listening to Sad But True from The Black Album.That's pretty accurate. Sad But True is mediocre and any song from AJFA is great, similar to how Dream No More is eh and Death Magnetic is awesome, I agree wholeheartedly
If Murder One was on Death Magnetic it would have been one of the better songs on it.
Easily better than Judas, End of the line, Unforgiven 3. . .
If Murder One was on Death Magnetic it would have been one of the better songs on it.
Easily better than Judas, End of the line, Unforgiven 3. . .
No way.
Unforgiven 3 is ok to me. I just have one problem with it and I know it's nitpicking but SERIOUSLY GUYS PUT DAT FUCKING HORN AT THE BEGINNING I MEAN COME ON
I do think it would be awesome if they did such a thing, although maybe not the fake setlist, but more obscure songs that are at least well liked by the general fan base that don't get played much and also keep a few of the classics to satisfy the fans who came to see those songs.
I do think it would be awesome if they did such a thing, although maybe not the fake setlist, but more obscure songs that are at least well liked by the general fan base that don't get played much and also keep a few of the classics to satisfy the fans who came to see those songs.
Yep. Keep Enter Sandman, One and Master of Puppets for the casual fans, and then go obscure the rest of the way.
I still feel lucky that the one time I saw them, they actually played Of Wolf and Men. :metal :metal
Do more dates to make up for it.
Yeah there's a BTS video for the DM tour and Lars is like
I'm bored of everything. Let's play something new...
Do more dates to make up for it.
I think that's the major reason why they wouldnt do such a thing, at least on a large scale. Just reality of their old age and them specifically saying they don't want to tour as much, hence the huge stadium shows.
I personally would love it though, however if we thought the ticket prices for the current tour were expensive...
Yep, that's the main reason. They are far more likely, at this point in their career, to do fewer, large scale shows as opposed to more, smaller scale shows. But one can dream...
It's not like these guys are sleeping in tour busses. Their idea of touring is more like a vacation. I'm sure there are times that they'd rather be at home sleeping in their own beds, but they're still living an insanely comfortable life on the road.
It's not like these guys are sleeping in tour busses. Their idea of touring is more like a vacation. I'm sure there are times that they'd rather be at home sleeping in their own beds, but they're still living an insanely comfortable life on the road.
Also my reasoning was that a club show would require almost zero production so they'd save a ton of money there too.
Pretty sure they take their families on the road with them. At least as schooling would permit (don't know the ages of their various kiddos). However, the physicality of their shows is a valid point. That is a pretty active 2.5 hr job. And to be clear, I don't fault them for wanting to tour their own way. Fifty dates a year sounds like a good way to do it. I'm just not shedding any tears for them when they play Turn the Page.
Adami for president! :clap:
Adami for president! :clap:
:emo: He's just riding the coattails of my idea.
Adami for president! :clap:
:emo: He's just riding the coattails of my idea.
Adami for president! :clap:
:emo: He's just riding the coattails of my idea.
Well, I was all about the no classics shows beforehand.
But as a good gesture, you can be my head secretary of coattails.
Ride The Lightning from Mexico City (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfys9Moz4Io)
I'd wait a month between live videos if they're all this quality.
FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrOMWWZza-M)
0:36 When James yells the title - he sounds like 1989 James :biggrin:
https://t.co/GyFpvL8bB9
METALLICA to release Webster hall Concert on Triple Vinyl !
So what exactly is the Snake Pit at their shows? I think I just won passes to it for the Massachusetts gig :D
So what exactly is the Snake Pit at their shows? I think I just won passes to it for the Massachusetts gig :D
I think that's pretty close to the stage. PM me if you can't use the passes! No, seriously.
So what exactly is the Snake Pit at their shows? I think I just won passes to it for the Massachusetts gig :D
I think that's pretty close to the stage. PM me if you can't use the passes! No, seriously.
Oh I was already going to the show, had floor tickets for me and my cousin. I'm not sure if this contest I won is new tickets or just an upgrade though, so my original tickets might now be expendable.
So what exactly is the Snake Pit at their shows? I think I just won passes to it for the Massachusetts gig :D
I think that's pretty close to the stage. PM me if you can't use the passes! No, seriously.
Oh I was already going to the show, had floor tickets for me and my cousin. I'm not sure if this contest I won is new tickets or just an upgrade though, so my original tickets might now be expendable.
Well if you get hung with two extra, let me know.
Awww yes :metal :metal :metal That's what I first thought it was, but didn't want to get my hopes up too much and then get there and find out it's some tent off to the side with free energy drinks or some bullshit like that :lol I'm going to the show with my cousin, thinking I won't tell him about this until we get there as a fun little surprise.
Top Prize A pair of the best seats in the house, backstage passes to meet members of the band before the show and a signed pair of Lars’ drum sticks used on the tourAt the shows I went to there was a dedicated entrance to the snake pit behind the stage, so I doubt the location of your actual seats matter. Were it me I'd [after confirming premise] scalp the fairly expensive floor tickets, buy the cheapest seats in the house, use the profits to party like a motherfucker. Or, if I lived down the proverbial street from Tim [after confirming premise] tell him to buy the cheapest seats in the house and then swap them out so-as to offer up a very generous upgrade. That would have the added benefit of surprising your cousin even further. "Eh, they're cheap nosebleed seats, see."
2nd Prize A pair of the best seats in the house, pre-show party passes including the Memory Remains exhibit of band memorabilia, food and beverage, the t-shirt of your choice and a limited edition tour poster
3rd Prize A pair of the best seats in the house (Three more winners!)
4th Prize A pair of floor tickets and Snake Pit Passes (Five more winners!)
Plus one lucky grand prize winner chosen from all entries on the tour will get to fly on a private plane with a band member to a gig!
I'd gladly take last nights setlist on Sunday :metalI'm not gonna complain. Okay, maybe I am a little. Do we really need all 5 singles from the Black Album?!? I get that it's one of the biggest selling rock/metal albums of all time. But, geez! If we're gonna have another slower tune, I'd rather see "Sanitarium" over "The Unforgiven". Overall, pretty good setlist. Can't wait to see them in Philly tomorrow night.
I agree, although it is my least favorite album from them. There are only six rotating slots in their base setlist, and using 3 on an album that's already well represented is a loss, IMO. Sad But True is pretty much my IM or FotD. I don't need to hear it ever again.I'd gladly take last nights setlist on Sunday :metalI'm not gonna complain. Okay, maybe I am a little. Do we really need all 5 singles from the Black Album?!? I get that it's one of the biggest selling rock/metal albums of all time. But, geez! If we're gonna have another slower tune, I'd rather see "Sanitarium" over "The Unforgiven". Overall, pretty good setlist. Can't wait to see them in Philly tomorrow night.
I agree, although it is my least favorite album from them. There are only six rotating slots in their base setlist, and using 3 on an album that's already well represented is a loss, IMO. Sad But True is pretty much my IM or FotD. I don't need to hear it ever again.I'd gladly take last nights setlist on Sunday :metalI'm not gonna complain. Okay, maybe I am a little. Do we really need all 5 singles from the Black Album?!? I get that it's one of the biggest selling rock/metal albums of all time. But, geez! If we're gonna have another slower tune, I'd rather see "Sanitarium" over "The Unforgiven". Overall, pretty good setlist. Can't wait to see them in Philly tomorrow night.
Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but I think it's cool that they played five songs from Hardwired... last night. I feel like they didn't play as many new songs when they were touring behind St. Anger or Death Magnetic.When touring for St. Anger, I think only "Frantic" and "St. Anger" were represented on a regular basis. As far as for Death Magnetic, they usually played 5-6 songs a night from the album.
I agree, although it is my least favorite album from them. There are only six rotating slots in their base setlist, and using 3 on an album that's already well represented is a loss, IMO. Sad But True is pretty much my IM or FotD. I don't need to hear it ever again.I'd gladly take last nights setlist on Sunday :metalI'm not gonna complain. Okay, maybe I am a little. Do we really need all 5 singles from the Black Album?!? I get that it's one of the biggest selling rock/metal albums of all time. But, geez! If we're gonna have another slower tune, I'd rather see "Sanitarium" over "The Unforgiven". Overall, pretty good setlist. Can't wait to see them in Philly tomorrow night.
EDIT : Every concert from Baltimore MD onwards will now be mixed by Greg Fidelman.
Well, I generally ignore SA. I can say that they're both my least listened to albums. Although, SA the song might be better than anything on TBA from my point of view, and the sort of live DVD that came with it is pretty good.I agree, although it is my least favorite album from them. There are only six rotating slots in their base setlist, and using 3 on an album that's already well represented is a loss, IMO. Sad But True is pretty much my IM or FotD. I don't need to hear it ever again.I'd gladly take last nights setlist on Sunday :metalI'm not gonna complain. Okay, maybe I am a little. Do we really need all 5 singles from the Black Album?!? I get that it's one of the biggest selling rock/metal albums of all time. But, geez! If we're gonna have another slower tune, I'd rather see "Sanitarium" over "The Unforgiven". Overall, pretty good setlist. Can't wait to see them in Philly tomorrow night.
Wait what ?! The black album is your least favourite album when they have Saint Anger in their discography ?
Are you saying you prefer Saint Anger to The Black Album ?
Well, I generally ignore SA. I can say that they're both my least listened to albums. Although, SA the song might be better than anything on TBA from my point of view, and the sort of live DVD that came with it is pretty good.
EDIT : Every concert from Baltimore MD onwards will now be mixed by Greg Fidelman.
Wow, that's huge.
I love My World
I love My World but can't stand All Within My Hands.
Out of all of them it sounds the most made up on the spot and rushed.
My World is begging to be played live.
Have fun, Marc. My first time seeing Metallica was there as well. At Giants Stadium!
Have fun, Marc. My first time seeing Metallica was there as well. At Giants Stadium!
Thanks that's awesome, what year?
Forgot until I saw that pic that you'd likely have been to the old Giants stadium.
Have fun, Marc. My first time seeing Metallica was there as well. At Giants Stadium!
Yesterday I was doing some yard work and I put on Hardwird, I can't get over how good the album is. Am I Savage? is a top 5 all time Metallica song for me.
After the tour it might be cool to find the best performances of each of the HTSD songs and make
a Hardwired to Self Destruct live album.
:)
After the tour it might be cool to find the best performances of each of the HTSD songs and make
a Hardwired to Self Destruct live album.
:)
Where Kirk redubs his solos.
I really really enjoyed the concert, a ton of fun, so not trying to be a negative nancy, but it was probably the worst performance I had seen since Van Halen with DLR not attempting to sing two years ago :lol It really took nothing away from the show, but there were timing issues it seemed. I really think it was Lars and Kirk just messing up here and there, James sounded great. Bass was mostly inaudible.
All the songs on Kill sound much better live since Kill Em All has no balls and James couldnt sing yet.
The guitars always sound so thin and ropey when it's a tv show.
But James is sounding pretty good and his dyed hair makes him look younger I think.
So now as of this week - Rob has been in Metallica longer than Jason Newsted was
So now as of this week - Rob has been in Metallica longer than Jason Newsted was
And has played on half of the studio albums.
So now as of this week - Rob has been in Metallica longer than Jason Newsted was
And has played on half of the studio albums.
That's probably why it feels like he's been in the band half the length of Newsted (to me, at least)
Also : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U070ZXMGAwA:metal
Halo On Fire :2metal:
Great Halo performance.
Great Halo performance.
Yes. I'm not sure about the live intro but it's alright.
Damn that mixing is huge. The drums sound fucking amazing. :metal Better than on the last two DT albums and live releases.
Greg said there are drum samples on the album but not to the point where if you muted them
the drum sound was suddenly disappear.
just contributing to the thread
Kind of wishing I went to that concert out in Long Island last night, a more unique (not by much though) setlist and they performed in the round. They released more tickets the other day I could have picked up a floor GA ticket but decided against it due to cost.
I love Halo On Fire. But, I think Long Island got the best setlist of the tour so far. Three from Justice. Awesome!
I love Halo On Fire. But, I think Long Island got the best setlist of the tour so far. Three from Justice. Awesome!
I think that could be due to it being a Metallica only show. I would suspect they go back to the more generic hit set list for the stadium shows, but maybe I am wrong.
Just spent a few minutes going through the setlists so far, and this is what it's looking like for this tour:
Hardwired
Atlas Rise
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Fuel/Creeping Death/Ride the Lightning
Unforgiven
Now That We're Dead
Moth Into Flame
Wherever I May Roam/Harvester of Sorrow
Halo on Fire/Sanitarium
Hit the Lights/Motorbreath/Whiplash/Four Horsemen
Sad But True
One
Master of Puppets
Fade to Black
Seek and Destroy
Battery/Fight Fire with Fire/Blackened
Nothing Else Matters
Enter Sandman
In the first pivot spot I'm of course hoping for Creeping Death because that chant has got to be epic with a football stadium full of people. Probably lean towards Harvester of Sorrow at the next spot, though I'm fine with Roam as well. As much as I love Sanitarium, I really want to see Halo on Fire live so I'm hoping that was just a treat thrown in for the indoor show. I like the idea of a general KEA rotating slot, preference to Hit the Lights or Four Horsemen of what they've played so far. I also like the idea of rotating the epic thrash album openers to kick off the encore, I've seen all three live already so I'm happy with whatever I get.
Just spent a few minutes going through the setlists so far, and this is what it's looking like for this tour:Is this just US dates? I know I saw all three of Fuel/Creeping/Ride over two shows, so one, I believe Ride, can show up elsewhere. Also, is Unforgiven now permanent? I thought that was a rotating slot, as well. There were also some extra songs rotated into the Wherever and Halo slots. That said, they did 3 nights where I saw them so it's possible they just pulled out some extra songs for the third show that they haven't had to reach for in the US tour.
Hardwired
Atlas Rise
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Fuel/Creeping Death/Ride the Lightning
Unforgiven
Now That We're Dead
Moth Into Flame
Wherever I May Roam/Harvester of Sorrow
Halo on Fire/Sanitarium
Hit the Lights/Motorbreath/Whiplash/Four Horsemen
Sad But True
One
Master of Puppets
Fade to Black
Seek and Destroy
Battery/Fight Fire with Fire/Blackened
Nothing Else Matters
Enter Sandman
In the first pivot spot I'm of course hoping for Creeping Death because that chant has got to be epic with a football stadium full of people. Probably lean towards Harvester of Sorrow at the next spot, though I'm fine with Roam as well. As much as I love Sanitarium, I really want to see Halo on Fire live so I'm hoping that was just a treat thrown in for the indoor show. I like the idea of a general KEA rotating slot, preference to Hit the Lights or Four Horsemen of what they've played so far. I also like the idea of rotating the epic thrash album openers to kick off the encore, I've seen all three live already so I'm happy with whatever I get.
The only song I'm desperate to hear is Spit Out The Bone. I don't care what else they play, I just want that song.
Pretty much the same setlist for Boston except the one swap of a KEM songI guess lighting the flame trap behind him would have been a little over the top, but it sure would have been funny.
Found this video on youtube from the Metlife show, I remember watching this and just laughing at the guy getting dragged off , but couldn't see James and Rob's reactions until seeing this video :rollin
Drunk Guy Gets on Stage with Metallica (https://youtu.be/SY0Q8HLNBl0?t=1m31s)
If anyone's wondering why Metallica has yet to play Spit out the Bone, this might shed some light..."Hang up the phone!" :lol
Metallica Spit Out the Bone Tuning Room FOXBOROUGH May 19th 2017 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43--szctX7Q)
Maybe one day.
Very quick and crude effort if nobody with better skills can help:
Kirk in action during Seek and Destroy. Really wish I knew anything about photoshop, if that guy's hand wasn't there I feel like it'd be a pretty good picture
(https://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/axeman9182/IMG_20170519_223718283_zpswuu9ln78.jpg)
Those are great shots, Bill.
And I had a blast at the Metallica show and ended up with over 30 minutes of video footage between both bands. The whole concept of taking videos/pictures during a concert = not having fun/enjoying the show/not paying attention is complete bullshit. It definitely is something that would be considered a pet peave and it's almost always coming from people who don't even go to concerts like my one friend who always rips on me.
Well they "sold" 165k in Mexico just by offering one copy with each ticket purchased to the show. A rather stunning cunt, actually.:lol
All 10 of their albums are certified platinum. It's crazy to think that in an era of downloaded music and an emphasis on singles instead of full albums, Metallica is still selling records by the millions.It is cool, and additionally they are doing it all on their own label - Blackened Records, they own all their own masters, etc... Basically they are the biggest indie label band ever, haha.
I liked it . But I listened with an open mind and not *wanting* to hate it because of "lol gramptallica" "rofl worst album ever created by anyone ever !!!!!1" nonsense.
As I keep saying - Metallica sound like Metallica and Lou Reed sounds like Lou Reed. It sounded exactly how I expected.
Also it's not even the worst Lou Reed album....
Yea, every concert ticket in the NA tour comes with a copy of the album. I mean that alone is going to get you your album sales. Not to say that Metallica hasn't proven themselves over and over again with album sales though.
Yea, I got to say, the show was worth the money IMO. It was an expensive concert, but both bands were great (I missed Volbeat) and what no one really realized was the Mix Master Mike from the Beastie Boys was the DJ in between sets. He was actually great too. All the fireworks and pyros. It felt like a show worth big bucks because you can tell, it cost a lot to put on.
I don't think anybody in their right mind expected another album before 2020 anyway. And I certainly wouldn't be surprised if we never got another one.
Or ever to really keep up the pattern :lol:rollin
I don't expect another Metallica album. I do expect them to maybe take a year off from touring at some point and you'll see a Hetfield solo album then.
I feel like I've heard a bit from here and there that for a while James has wanted to record more often. I do feel sometimes like the guy is held back.
As much as I would love a James solo album, I figure he'd have done one by now if he were going to.I agree with this. Though I would be more interested in that than a Metallica album.
Fadetoblack made a good point too, isn't that essentially the reason Jason was pushed out of the band.
I think there will be another album.
They've all said they'll keep going as long as they're physically able.
I feel like I've heard a bit from here and there that for a while James has wanted to record more often. I do feel sometimes like the guy is held back.
I get that feeling too, Kirk doesn't seem into it at all anymore.
I know it has been a decades old argument about Metallica, but they became such a different band after ...And Justice for All. Same band in name, different band in goals and direction. I think AJfA was the ultimate pinnacle just because they made what I refer to as "prog thrash," and it really took thrash as far as I think it can go. Which is the reason why i understand what they did with the Black album and the Loads. But I've never been able to really recapture my fandom of the band post-Justice.
But on Load, Bleeding Me and Until it Sleeps are just excellent hard rock songs for the ages, at least IMO. And they had something good with The Outlaw Torn as well, but it wasn't quite on the same level.
On to Re-Load...I haven't listened to that in ages. I sort of remember hearing that Fixxer is pretty good. We'll have to revisit...
I know it has been a decades old argument about Metallica, but they became such a different band after ...And Justice for All. Same band in name, different band in goals and direction. I think AJfA was the ultimate pinnacle just because they made what I refer to as "prog thrash," and it really took thrash as far as I think it can go. Which is the reason why i understand what they did with the Black album and the Loads. But I've never been able to really recapture my fandom of the band post-Justice.
But on Load, Bleeding Me and Until it Sleeps are just excellent hard rock songs for the ages, at least IMO. And they had something good with The Outlaw Torn as well, but it wasn't quite on the same level.
On to Re-Load...I haven't listened to that in ages. I sort of remember hearing that Fixxer is pretty good. We'll have to revisit...
Load is an awesome record. This was during the height of my teenage years and my Metallica fandom - they were my favorite band, and this was the first time that they were releasing a new album after I had become I fan sometime in 91 or 92. I've always defended them for changing their style, and I've always loved the record.
I know that the rationale for the album was that they had to pick the songs that were the closest to being finished and release them in 1996 (They had written 30 songs) in order to get the album out prior to the Lollapallooza tour. But Load feels much more complete than Reload does - Reload comes off as an album of leftovers to me.
There are some great songs, great riffs and grooves, awesome lyrics, and James sounds incredible on the disc. It's not thrash, it's not crushingly heavy, but it's still heavy to me. Much like how HITNF is still Queensryche to you, despite the stylistic change from the prior albums to then. Load still sounds and feels like Metallica to me, even though it's far removed from the older albums.
I'd never say The Black Album was less heavy than And Justice For All.
Especially since AJFA has no bass and a thin guitar and drum sound.
I'd never say The Black Album was less heavy than And Justice For All.
Especially since AJFA has no bass and a thin guitar and drum sound.
Totally agree.
I'd never say The Black Album was less heavy than And Justice For All.
Especially since AJFA has no bass and a thin guitar and drum sound.
Totally agree.
I always wonder why the band won't go back and properly remix AJFA... a better idea, with so many bands doing self-covers, why don't they re-record the entire AJFA?
Years ago, I was told by someone who knew the band that the majority of Lars' drum parts are loops where he would do a measure or two and they'd just repeat that throughout the song (like Dyer's Eve). Whether that's true or not, who knows?!? As for re-mixing and remastering the existing tracks, I think I heard Toby Wright say that it wouldn't help with the (non-existent) bass.I'd never say The Black Album was less heavy than And Justice For All.
Especially since AJFA has no bass and a thin guitar and drum sound.
Totally agree.
I always wonder why the band won't go back and properly remix AJFA... a better idea, with so many bands doing self-covers, why don't they re-record the entire AJFA?
I don't see them re-recording it (Lars would struggle even in the studio to play some of that stuff). But with this new deluxe re-issue thing they are doing through the catalog it would be the perfect time for a re-mix and remaster of the existing tracks.
How? There are amateur remasters online that have amazing bass. And that's using Guitar Hero stems or something.
How would a professional remaster be unable to help the bass? :justjen
How? There are amateur remasters online that have amazing bass. And that's using Guitar Hero stems or something.The bass doesn't exist. The "amateur remaster" has some guy laying down his own bass tracks over the songs.
How would a professional remaster be unable to help the bass? :justjen
Years ago, I was told by someone who knew the band that the majority of Lars' drum parts are loops where he would do a measure or two and they'd just repeat that throughout the song (like Dyer's Eve). Whether that's true or not, who knows?!? As for re-mixing and remastering the existing tracks, I think I heard Toby Wright say that it wouldn't help with the (non-existent) bass.
Years ago, I was told by someone who knew the band that the majority of Lars' drum parts are loops where he would do a measure or two and they'd just repeat that throughout the song (like Dyer's Eve). Whether that's true or not, who knows?!? As for re-mixing and remastering the existing tracks, I think I heard Toby Wright say that it wouldn't help with the (non-existent) bass.
No offense, but that is kinda silly.
I think Lars has only started doing the loop drums thing since St. Anger, Bob Rock mentioned a few times in JITS videos how pro-tools change Lars life.
Probably on cocaine too.
Probably on cocaine too.
:lol
Years ago, I was told by someone who knew the band that the majority of Lars' drum parts are loops where he would do a measure or two and they'd just repeat that throughout the song (like Dyer's Eve). Whether that's true or not, who knows?!? As for re-mixing and remastering the existing tracks, I think I heard Toby Wright say that it wouldn't help with the (non-existent) bass.
No offense, but that is kinda silly.
Especially in 1988 when digital music didn't exist. Creating a loop like that on tape would have been an enormous pain the in the arse.
It's more likely that Lars played til he fucked up - went back and punched in another take and so on until theyd cut a perfect take.
But thats true of any album ever.
Have I done this before ?
Pick your favourite song from each of the 10 studio albums and one cover from Garage Inc.
I'm listening to 'Fight Fire With Fire' now, and I suddenly realised something. This song is extremely fast. I'm almost 100% positive the snare is always on the 2nd and 4th beat in this song. Yet, every time I listen to it, I'm hearing the snare at the 1st and 3rd bar as soon as the vocals kick in. It's due to both the sheer speed of it and the barely audible kick drum. Anyone else have this 'problem'?
Why is that a "problem"?
I'm listening to 'Fight Fire With Fire' now, and I suddenly realised something. This song is extremely fast. I'm almost 100% positive the snare is always on the 2nd and 4th beat in this song. Yet, every time I listen to it, I'm hearing the snare at the 1st and 3rd bar as soon as the vocals kick in. It's due to both the sheer speed of it and the barely audible kick drum. Anyone else have this 'problem'?
^ Awesome! Is this all of them now?
^ Awesome! Is this all of them now?
Not Lords of Summer, but besides that, yeah
A lot of the live stuff on that box set says its incomplete recordings. Seems odd to release that stuff, but that's still one heck of a lot of content. The 3CD disc looks like what I'd buy, but I'm probably not going to get it.
A lot of the live stuff on that box set says its incomplete recordings. Seems odd to release that stuff, but that's still one heck of a lot of content. The 3CD disc looks like what I'd buy, but I'm probably not going to get it.
There is a ton of content that's for sure. I'd guess they are cool with releasing the incomplete stuff just because they want these reissues to be as comprehensive as possible, so they are throwing everything in there, complete or not.
A lot of the live stuff on that box set says its incomplete recordings. Seems odd to release that stuff, but that's still one heck of a lot of content. The 3CD disc looks like what I'd buy, but I'm probably not going to get it.
There is a ton of content that's for sure. I'd guess they are cool with releasing the incomplete stuff just because they want these reissues to be as comprehensive as possible, so they are throwing everything in there, complete or not.
The shows are incomplete? The only songs that seemed incomplete looked like a tape ran out at the end of one song and wasn't restarted till midway through the next song.
I don't mind the incomplete shows, but I didn't see the Aragon Ballroom show on CD, only vinyl. The vinyl is wasted on me, so...
On the 10 disc set there are some incomplete shows. They look like it's mostly all there, but there are a few notes like:
*Note: Someone didn’t hit record until after we started playing.
*Note: The tape ran out before we finished the song.
*Note: Filming cuts during the guitar solo.
And yea, I agree, it's just them getting what they have in the vaults out to people which is cool, I just can't recall bands releasing incomplete concerts like this before. You'd have to be a pretty big fan to buy that set though so it's still pretty cool to get that stuff in the hands of the fans.
Master of Puppets sounds great as it originally sounded in 1986. I see no need for this in my collection.
So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?
So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?
Of course not, but Master Of Puppets, as is, sounds excellent. I'm not sure why I should buy the thing again.
So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?
Of course not, but Master Of Puppets, as is, sounds excellent. I'm not sure why I should buy the thing again.
My thoughts as well. I listened to the sample of Disposable Hero's and didn't really notice that big of a difference to warrant another purchase. I may spring for a re-mastered AJFA with some bass sounds.
Very tempted by the 3CD just for dem live tracks.That's where I'm at.
So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?
Of course not, but Master Of Puppets, as is, sounds excellent. I'm not sure why I should buy the thing again.
I think they've already commented that they wouldn't mess with AJFA, which is disappointing.
Remastered 'Master Of Puppets' coming November 10.
https://www.metallica.com/store/master-of-puppets (https://www.metallica.com/store/master-of-puppets)
"We promised to keep mining the vaults to bring you each Metallica album remastered for the most advanced sound quality possible along with special deluxe editions including previously unreleased audio and video recordings. Today we are excited to announce that we are one step closer... 'Master of Puppets (Remastered)' is here! Visit Metallica com for more information (and with three pieces of vinyl, ten CDs, two DVDs, and so much more in the Box Set alone, we promise you'll find more information!). And don't forget to stop into the Met Store to pre-order your copy and find some 'Puppets' favorites on sale now! Release date is November 10th."
Says in this quote they promise to do each album? It would be ridiculous if they remastered MoP but not AJFA.
Yeah, I'm 100% fine with the versions I've had forever, especially TBA, Load and Reload. The only thing I've ever wanted is a listenable version of AJFA, because I love the album, but I just can't listen to it any more in its current state. No remaster will fix that.
So you guys have already heard the new remaster to make that assessment?
Of course not, but Master Of Puppets, as is, sounds excellent. I'm not sure why I should buy the thing again.
I think most people would buy the version that gets them all the live stuff.
Well, that's me. 99 times out of a 100 (Genesis was an exception) I don't give a crap about the "remaster" itself. I'm not a snob about "brickwalling" (for the most part, I think that is over-rated), and almost always buy "remasters" for the added material. I'm something more than a "casual" Metallica fan - I have the entire catalogue ecept for "Kill 'Em All" - but less than a "fanatic", completist Metallica fan, so I don't know. If this was Maiden, Genesis, Kiss, DT, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, etc. I'd be scraping together change to buy the Super Deluxe version (though I'm still not keen on the vinyl; I wish that show was on the CD as well).
This is the first of these Super Deluxe sets I'll be getting. It's my favorite Metallica album and is probably in my Top 20 albums. I picked up the "Back To The Front" book they put out last year commemorating the album's 30th anniversary - pretty awesome. The MoP Super Deluxe edition will be a welcome addition to my collection. For the money, it's a pretty good collection of material. Although, if you're not into vinyl, I can see how not having that show on CD would be a bummer.I think most people would buy the version that gets them all the live stuff.
Well, that's me. 99 times out of a 100 (Genesis was an exception) I don't give a crap about the "remaster" itself. I'm not a snob about "brickwalling" (for the most part, I think that is over-rated), and almost always buy "remasters" for the added material. I'm something more than a "casual" Metallica fan - I have the entire catalogue ecept for "Kill 'Em All" - but less than a "fanatic", completist Metallica fan, so I don't know. If this was Maiden, Genesis, Kiss, DT, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, etc. I'd be scraping together change to buy the Super Deluxe version (though I'm still not keen on the vinyl; I wish that show was on the CD as well).
This is the first of these Super Deluxe sets I'll be getting. It's my favorite Metallica album and is probably in my Top 20 albums. I picked up the "Back To The Front" book they put out last year commemorating the album's 30th anniversary - pretty awesome. The MoP Super Deluxe edition will be a welcome addition to my collection. For the money, it's a pretty good collection of material. Although, if you're not into vinyl, I can see how not having that show on CD would be a bummer.I think most people would buy the version that gets them all the live stuff.
Well, that's me. 99 times out of a 100 (Genesis was an exception) I don't give a crap about the "remaster" itself. I'm not a snob about "brickwalling" (for the most part, I think that is over-rated), and almost always buy "remasters" for the added material. I'm something more than a "casual" Metallica fan - I have the entire catalogue ecept for "Kill 'Em All" - but less than a "fanatic", completist Metallica fan, so I don't know. If this was Maiden, Genesis, Kiss, DT, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, etc. I'd be scraping together change to buy the Super Deluxe version (though I'm still not keen on the vinyl; I wish that show was on the CD as well).
The deluxe box thing is pretty sweet, that's for sure. I've been meaning to get the Back to the Front book - how is it?If you're a fan of the album and enjoy learning all the minutiae about a band of which you're a fan, I'd highly recommend it. I haven't finished it or even gotten to when they've completed the album. But, I'd say it's definitely worth getting. The collection of photos inside is pretty awesome. A lot of time and effort was definitely put into the making of this book.
^Cool, looks like it's only like $30 on Amazon, I might just have to pick it up.That's a deal. And, eligible for Prime shipping, too. Totally worth it. The book has some weight to it.
This is the first of these Super Deluxe sets I'll be getting. It's my favorite Metallica album and is probably in my Top 20 albums. I picked up the "Back To The Front" book they put out last year commemorating the album's 30th anniversary - pretty awesome. The MoP Super Deluxe edition will be a welcome addition to my collection. For the money, it's a pretty good collection of material. Although, if you're not into vinyl, I can see how not having that show on CD would be a bummer.I think most people would buy the version that gets them all the live stuff.
Well, that's me. 99 times out of a 100 (Genesis was an exception) I don't give a crap about the "remaster" itself. I'm not a snob about "brickwalling" (for the most part, I think that is over-rated), and almost always buy "remasters" for the added material. I'm something more than a "casual" Metallica fan - I have the entire catalogue ecept for "Kill 'Em All" - but less than a "fanatic", completist Metallica fan, so I don't know. If this was Maiden, Genesis, Kiss, DT, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, etc. I'd be scraping together change to buy the Super Deluxe version (though I'm still not keen on the vinyl; I wish that show was on the CD as well).
Just listened to the remastered Disposable Heroes on Spotify. Unneeded EQ'ing and compression. I'm not against remasters and obviously it gets celebrated, but this is a good example of an album that doesn't need adjustments at all. It's Master of Puppets, it's supposed to sound like that.
Remember the days when re-masters (here's looking at you mid-90's ozzy) were released to correct for shitty initial pressings? Perhaps to even out some volumes and that was it???Don't forget about the Ozzy 2002 remasters where Mike Bordin and Robert Trujillo came in to re-record the bass and drums on BoO and DoaM. Disgraceful!
Moth Into Flame live in Copenhagen - they changed up the stage production for the arena run in Europe, they are using drones as effect lighting, looks pretty cool!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWq-kMUeb-s
It's Master of Puppets, it's supposed to sound like that.
Just listened to the remastered Disposable Heroes on Spotify. Unneeded EQ'ing and compression. I'm not against remasters and obviously it gets celebrated, but this is a good example of an album that doesn't need adjustments at all. It's Master of Puppets, it's supposed to sound like that.
Ugghhhh! Say it ain't so...this is exactly what I feared they would do.
Remember the days when re-masters (here's looking at you mid-90's ozzy) were released to correct for shitty initial pressings? Perhaps to even out some volumes and that was it???
Why compress and re-EQ an album that I have been listening to for 30 years???
I suppose as long as the original remains available I won't get too upset...what Mustain did with the Megadeth catalog is simply inexcusable.
The MoP announcement post on facebook came with a Comment option so I apparently I've been unbanned from Metallica's fb page.Just listened to the remastered Disposable Heroes on Spotify. Unneeded EQ'ing and compression. I'm not against remasters and obviously it gets celebrated, but this is a good example of an album that doesn't need adjustments at all. It's Master of Puppets, it's supposed to sound like that.
Ugghhhh! Say it ain't so...this is exactly what I feared they would do.
Remember the days when re-masters (here's looking at you mid-90's ozzy) were released to correct for shitty initial pressings? Perhaps to even out some volumes and that was it???
Why compress and re-EQ an album that I have been listening to for 30 years???
I suppose as long as the original remains available I won't get too upset...what Mustain did with the Megadeth catalog is simply inexcusable.
I know I'm in the smallest minority on this one but I disagree guys. Compression and EQ play, crispiness and loudness are exactly what I need from a remaster of 80's metal records. Because these records deserve an explosive in-your-face treatment to satisfy the new settings I've been listening in, the last 10 years or so; car and gym. I wanna listen to these songs without having to raise the volume absurdly in these places.
Sure, if I want to enjoy a more sonic-ally wholesome experience, I'd listen to the original pressings. They're still available and I own them all. But I can tell you all original pressings of Megadeth albums have not set foot out of my old room in my parents house since the remasters came out. I absolutely love the Megadeth remasters, crisp and loud without clipping, what not to love.
Metallica's KEA & RTL remasters haven't done it for me though. Whatever Mustaine did in his remasters, they didn't do.
Not directly Metallica, but I found this and thought it was super awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGc5in2F_Rg
Very interesting as I place my disdain for the Mega-remasters above almost all else. What are your thoughts on the re-recorded vocals/solos and tempo changes that took place (RIP is the worst offender)? For me, this was sacrilege.
Not directly Metallica, but I found this and thought it was super awesome.That was cool!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGc5in2F_Rg
Only Kirk would need 5 damn wah pedals on one stage.
Only Kirk would need 5 damn wah pedals on one stage.
And off stage it seems. I’ve seen a few videos of him playing a way solo but his feet aren’t anywhere near a pedal, which means someone else is off stage controlling it.
Moth Into Flame live in Copenhagen - they changed up the stage production for the arena run in Europe, they are using drones as effect lighting, looks pretty cool!Great idea. Poorly executed. Moths en masse fly in seemingly random patterns. That was just a bunch of circling lights. I'd love to see them get that right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWq-kMUeb-s
Yeah, it sure seemed like they put more than five out, and they were still pretty widely spaced. A rough estimate is 250-300 linear feet of running room for that stage. He could certainly find himself 30' away from a pedal at any given time.Only Kirk would need 5 damn wah pedals on one stage.
And off stage it seems. I’ve seen a few videos of him playing a way solo but his feet aren’t anywhere near a pedal, which means someone else is off stage controlling it.
Yeah his tech has one off stage in case he needs one for a part but isn’t near one. Seems silly but the stadium summer tour stage was massive, even with several on stage he still might find himself pretty far away from one.
Moth Into Flame live in Copenhagen - they changed up the stage production for the arena run in Europe, they are using drones as effect lighting, looks pretty cool!Great idea. Poorly executed. Moths en masse fly in seemingly random patterns. That was just a bunch of circling lights. I'd love to see them get that right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWq-kMUeb-s
Moth Into Flame live in Copenhagen - they changed up the stage production for the arena run in Europe, they are using drones as effect lighting, looks pretty cool!Great idea. Poorly executed. Moths en masse fly in seemingly random patterns. That was just a bunch of circling lights. I'd love to see them get that right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWq-kMUeb-s
At times, definitely for the beginning. If you go near the end, they're all going randomly.
I love the Megadeth remasters.............. Because I've never heard the originals.:lol
Oh, apparently they debuted Spit Out The Bone.
Click the play button next to the song on that setlist link.
Man, Master of Puppets (album) just never ceases to amaze me. Like it hasn't aged a day. Such a thrilling record from start to finish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUShg-c8qog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUShg-c8qog)
:rollin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXTzr358o_0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXTzr358o_0) The official live video for Spit Out the Bone
Really not understanding Rob's vocals, but the performances isn't terrible overall. Lars aint the best, but that's expected.
Nowhere near as bad as I'd have expected, and I bet live it came off very well. A 350kw sound system will cover a multitude of sins. I kind of see what they were going for with the vocals, but they lost the ability to do that when Newsted split. Barring that, they should have swapped halves. Some lines can be shouted but others need some tone. Hetfield really needed to handle "bleeding through your fragile skin," etc. The bigger problem was with the bridge verse, though. There's no way for them to pull off the "stop breathing" part without sequencing. Trujillo will never be a proper background singer.
Still, it's cool people got to see it, and you could hear how much they appreciated what was coming up.
I see a couple reasons why they did that with the verse 1) to give James a breather for a few seconds and 2) to do a kind of call-and-response kind of thing, only it doesn’t work cuz Robert’s vocals are dreadful.
Still, it's cool people got to see it, and you could hear how much they appreciated what was coming up.
Still, it's cool people got to see it, and you could hear how much they appreciated what was coming up.
Yup, at the end of the day the band performed a song really liked on the album. Got to give credit where it's due and that is that Metallica is playing a lot of these new songs and continuing to live debut them awhile after the albums release. It may not be perfect, but that's OK with me. I'm sure like you said, it sounded fine in the arena that night and that's all that really matters.
Yea, its a shame NA didnt get these more interesting and rotating set lists.
Yea, its a shame NA didnt get these more interesting and rotating set lists.Setlist seems the same format as it was from the beginning. Twelve fixed slots and six rotating. The rotating slots all fit into a theme, usually down to a specific album. The only difference I saw looking at some random gigs of late is that Bellz has been replaced with S&D in the third slot. Aside from that any recent gig could be exactly the same as what I saw twice.
So for some reason it just dawned on me that the members of Metallica spent their 20's writing their first 5 albums, which are some of the most iconic records in history.
How did we spend our 20's? Crazy stuff.
So for some reason it just dawned on me that the members of Metallica spent their 20's writing their first 5 albums, which are some of the most iconic records in history.
How did we spend our 20's? Crazy stuff.
Kill 'Em All was released before James and Lars even turned 20.
I think it's a matter of being at the right place at the right time around the right people, I think the most creative people that ever existed are complete unknowns cause they didn't have that perfect line up of circumstances. But it's also being willing to take the risk and put your whole self into your passion, which is something most people would deem impractical, I never did and never would, for fear of failure and time waste.
And Trujillo's back vocals are true killers of musical boners.
It's Electric: Lars x Metallica Revisit Master of Puppets (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFAs3Y5Pyf4)
That was interesting hearing the producer and the band sharing stories about the recording. :tup
I've been playing MoP a lot lately, man is it good! I'm still in love with this record.