Coronavirus

[hunnus2000]

90 cases in my town now, up from 70-something a few days ago. Keeps going up.

And I know how this is going to sound, but whatever: literally without fail, every single person who comes into my place of work without a mask is a white person, middle aged or older. And half the time they're with their spouse, no mask, no gloves. And every single one of them - no exaggeration - has bitched about masks, the (democrat, naturally) governor, the financial state of Illinois (despite it being in the gutter for many years before this pandemic), and everything else under the sun. Every single other person who has come in - people of color, young people, and plenty of white people young and old, don't get me wrong - has worn a mask. But the only people not wearing them are, I can only gauge from their rhetoric, white Trump supporters. (How do I know this? It's a small rural town. People talk. A LOT.)

Obviously there are exceptions to that, as I just acknowledged some of them. But the split between who's wearing them and who's not around here, and who's taking it seriously and who isn't, is very interesting to me.

Sorry not sorry... just venting. Dealing with shortness of breath the last few days and the anxiety this is inducing is only making it worse. 4 people standing in the office now (plus me, plus my boss, I'm the only one with a mask). The office is like 15 x 10. I gotta wipe everything down several times an hour. I'm almost out of wipes. (EDIT: And there's a sign on the front door saying only one person at a time is allowed in. Okay.)

(And I know at least one person on my ignore list will call me a race-baiter or a racist. It's cool. I'm not, but everyone's entitled to their opinion)

I live in a small town too and I see the exact same thing. So many people not taking this seriously.

[Ben_Jamin]

I'm sorry about your anxiety Katt. Hope you can get that in check as time goes on...Don't read the news and you should be fine. 

I hate to say it, but as more of the population gets tested, the numbers will go up. What we should be worrying about is the death numbers, and if they're messing with those data numbers, we don't really know for sure how many people died of covid exactly.

At this point, we all might as well encase ourselves in a giant bubble.

[Elite]

Saw a report on restaurants in other countries. Why would anyone go out to eat like this?

In large cities with huge population density in Asia it's very common to go out for dinner because a) it's usually cheaper than cooking at home and b) lots of people don't even have the facilities to cook at home. It''s very common for people to sit at tables with random strangers and yet mind their own business.

[cramx3]

https://calgaryherald.com/cannabis/cannabis-shows-promise-blocking-coronavirus-infection-alberta-researcher/

 

[Orbert]

Excellent.  I am doing my part to help my body fight off this horrible virus.

[Cool Chris]

In large cities with huge population density in Asia it's very common to go out for dinner because a) it's usually cheaper than cooking at home and b) lots of people don't even have the facilities to cook at home. It''s very common for people to sit at tables with random strangers and yet mind their own business.

That sucks. Is that part of the reason this thread exists?

And that picture might not be the best one for my point. I've seen other pictures where it looked like the people were there together, and still separated by a plastic shield.

[TAC]

And on a related note (to the point about families being realistic), allow me to vent for a second.  He's a 12-year-old boy and all that that entails.  Boogers, not a lot of hand-washing, dogs, etc. etc.   We've been pretty diligent about that stuff, not going out, masks when we do, distancing... we've even, with court approval, limited his time with his dad (his wife works in the medical field) until we could be certain of the status of their household (Dad wouldn't tell us for several weeks what she did in the medical field; our son said she's a doctor or a nurse - I've talked to her once; she ain't no doctor or nurse - but we weren't clear what her exposure was).  He finally went over there this weekend, first time in about a month and a half, and....     they went out for flowers (the whole family).  They went visiting family.  They went shopping.   No masks, no gloves, no hand sanitizer... WTF?   Back to square one with him to teach him diligence, and first thing out of his mouth?   Any guesses? Any takers?    "Why?  Dad didn't make me do this stuff."

I really feel bad reading this. This is very sad. I can totally relate.

[Elite]

In large cities with huge population density in Asia it's very common to go out for dinner because a) it's usually cheaper than cooking at home and b) lots of people don't even have the facilities to cook at home. It''s very common for people to sit at tables with random strangers and yet mind their own business.

That sucks. Is that part of the reason this thread exists?

And that picture might not be the best one for my point. I've seen other pictures where it looked like the people were there together, and still separated by a plastic shield.

Oh, maybe they are together and still separated by a screen. Hard to tell from a picture.

And 'part of the reason this thread exists' - sure, though I thought the general consensus was the virus originated on a Chinese wet market where they keep lots of animals in condensed space, thus making it easier for deadly mutations of viruses to spread to humans. (That or it was man-made in a lab ) Obviously in dense population areas like large cities a virus could spread easier and more quickly than in for example a rural country.

[T-ski]

Wisconsin's Supreme Court just overruled the Governors stay at home extension, so the state might be open for business as early as tomorrow.

[Volante99]

Minnesota Governor didn’t extend the stay at home order. Starting Monday basically everything is open for business except for restaurants, gyms and hair salons (which will be opening June 1). All this when deaths continue to climb.

He caved but with Iowa, Dakotas, and now Wisconsin opening, he didn’t have much choice.

I didn’t get my public health policy degree from Trump University but I’m going to guess this is going to get bad...

[qed]

Oh, maybe they are together and still separated by a screen. Hard to tell from a picture.

And 'part of the reason this thread exists' - sure, though I thought the general consensus was the virus originated on a Chinese wet market where they keep lots of animals in condensed space, thus making it easier for deadly mutations of viruses to spread to humans. (That or it was man-made in a lab ) Obviously in dense population areas like large cities a virus could spread easier and more quickly than in for example a rural country.

CoVID-19 = Cow Virus of Immune Deficiency. You have to sop meat consumption ASAP.

[MirrorMask]

That's not absolutely what the acronym Covid stands for.

[qed]

That's not absolutely what the acronym Covid stands for.

Coronavirus = Carnivorous

[Elite]

Of course you can make up anything you like if you really want to.

[qed]

Of course you can make up anything you like if you really want to.

You cannot make up the fact this has gone too far:

As long as Man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower living beings, he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love.

[Elite]

Okay, but that's a different discussion altogether. For the record, I do agree with the idea that mankind's destructive attitude (not everybody, but in general) towards nature and other animals - basically our homeplanet - is not the way to go forward. That Pythagoras supposedly said/wrote something similar over 2000 years ago doesn't really matter in that sense.

That coronavirus came as a result of this destructive behaviour - lots of different living animals stuck in cages close to each other (something that's repulsive in and of itself as far as I'm concerned) - should be a wake-up call. Unfortunately, it didn't really turn out to be a 'wake-up call' after SARS got into the world via the same route.

[qed]

Okay, but that's a different discussion altogether. For the record, I do agree with the idea that mankind's destructive attitude (not everybody, but in general) towards nature and other animals - basically our homeplanet - is not the way to go forward. That Pythagoras supposedly said/wrote something similar over 2000 years ago doesn't really matter in that sense.

That coronavirus came as a result of this destructive behaviour - lots of different living animals stuck in cages close to each other (something that's repulsive in and of itself as far as I'm concerned) - should be a wake-up call. Unfortunately, it didn't really turn out to be a 'wake-up call' after SARS got into the world via the same route.

It's Law of Consequences at work. Pythagoras knew this. When you consume meat you're taking a life away from a lower living being -- you then create the exact required conditions within your physical body for a virus to eat you from inside the same way you have consumed an animal.

[lordxizor]

The stay-at-home orders were never meant to be enough to stop the spread of Covid, only to slow it so that our medical system doesn't get overwhelmed. In those states where hospitals are largely sitting empty, doesn't it make sense to allow things to open up a little bit?

[jingle.boy]

Okay, but that's a different discussion altogether. For the record, I do agree with the idea that mankind's destructive attitude (not everybody, but in general) towards nature and other animals - basically our homeplanet - is not the way to go forward. That Pythagoras supposedly said/wrote something similar over 2000 years ago doesn't really matter in that sense.

That coronavirus came as a result of this destructive behaviour - lots of different living animals stuck in cages close to each other (something that's repulsive in and of itself as far as I'm concerned) - should be a wake-up call. Unfortunately, it didn't really turn out to be a 'wake-up call' after SARS got into the world via the same route.

It's Law of Consequences at work. Pythagoras knew this. When you consume meat you're taking a life away from a lower living being -- you then create the exact required conditions within your physical body for a virus to eat you from inside the same way you have consumed an animal.

So, why is COVID a uniquely human phenomenon?  There are many species in the animal kingdom that consume other animals.  If consuming meat is the "exact" criteria/condition required for the body to be susceptible to a virus the way you outline, please explain why such virus' are not more prevalent in the animal kingdom?

[cramx3]

The stay-at-home orders were never meant to be enough to stop the spread of Covid, only to slow it so that our medical system doesn't get overwhelmed. In those states where hospitals are largely sitting empty, doesn't it make sense to allow things to open up a little bit?

This guys twitter video seems to have gone viral kind of saying the same thing https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1260721488241418240

[qed]

Okay, but that's a different discussion altogether. For the record, I do agree with the idea that mankind's destructive attitude (not everybody, but in general) towards nature and other animals - basically our homeplanet - is not the way to go forward. That Pythagoras supposedly said/wrote something similar over 2000 years ago doesn't really matter in that sense.

That coronavirus came as a result of this destructive behaviour - lots of different living animals stuck in cages close to each other (something that's repulsive in and of itself as far as I'm concerned) - should be a wake-up call. Unfortunately, it didn't really turn out to be a 'wake-up call' after SARS got into the world via the same route.

It's Law of Consequences at work. Pythagoras knew this. When you consume meat you're taking a life away from a lower living being -- you then create the exact required conditions within your physical body for a virus to eat you from inside the same way you have consumed an animal.

So, why is COVID a uniquely human phenomenon?  There are many species in the animal kingdom that consume other animals.  If consuming meat is the "exact" criteria/condition required for the body to be susceptible to a virus the way you outline, please explain why such virus' are not more prevalent in the animal kingdom?

Carnivorous animals have enough specific deceases, but in this case immune deficiency in humans has been obtained through the years of antibiotics consumption along with the meat, which made the immune system weak to the virus.

[Chino]

Okay, but that's a different discussion altogether. For the record, I do agree with the idea that mankind's destructive attitude (not everybody, but in general) towards nature and other animals - basically our homeplanet - is not the way to go forward. That Pythagoras supposedly said/wrote something similar over 2000 years ago doesn't really matter in that sense.

That coronavirus came as a result of this destructive behaviour - lots of different living animals stuck in cages close to each other (something that's repulsive in and of itself as far as I'm concerned) - should be a wake-up call. Unfortunately, it didn't really turn out to be a 'wake-up call' after SARS got into the world via the same route.

It's Law of Consequences at work. Pythagoras knew this. When you consume meat you're taking a life away from a lower living being -- you then create the exact required conditions within your physical body for a virus to eat you from inside the same way you have consumed an animal.

So, why is COVID a uniquely human phenomenon?  There are many species in the animal kingdom that consume other animals.  If consuming meat is the "exact" criteria/condition required for the body to be susceptible to a virus the way you outline, please explain why such virus' are not more prevalent in the animal kingdom?

Carnivorous animals have enough specific deceases, but in this case immune deficiency in humans has been obtained through the years of antibiotics consumption along with the meat, which made the immune system weak to the virus.

This one is a double whammy. Not only are we decreasing the effectiveness of our immune systems, the antibiotics force harmful bacteria and the like to mutate more aggressively and at a faster rate.

[qed]

Okay, but that's a different discussion altogether. For the record, I do agree with the idea that mankind's destructive attitude (not everybody, but in general) towards nature and other animals - basically our homeplanet - is not the way to go forward. That Pythagoras supposedly said/wrote something similar over 2000 years ago doesn't really matter in that sense.

That coronavirus came as a result of this destructive behaviour - lots of different living animals stuck in cages close to each other (something that's repulsive in and of itself as far as I'm concerned) - should be a wake-up call. Unfortunately, it didn't really turn out to be a 'wake-up call' after SARS got into the world via the same route.

It's Law of Consequences at work. Pythagoras knew this. When you consume meat you're taking a life away from a lower living being -- you then create the exact required conditions within your physical body for a virus to eat you from inside the same way you have consumed an animal.

So, why is COVID a uniquely human phenomenon?  There are many species in the animal kingdom that consume other animals.  If consuming meat is the "exact" criteria/condition required for the body to be susceptible to a virus the way you outline, please explain why such virus' are not more prevalent in the animal kingdom?

Carnivorous animals have enough specific deceases, but in this case immune deficiency in humans has been obtained through the years of antibiotics consumption along with the meat, which made the immune system weak to the virus.

This one is a double whammy. Not only are we decreasing the effectiveness of our immune systems, the antibiotics force harmful bacteria and the like to mutate more aggressively and at a faster rate.

Exactly, thus the only way to stop it -- is to stop meat consumption, and there will be no need to massacre animals anymore. Hence, there will be peace, and we will complete another phase of our evolution.

[lordxizor]

Wouldn't stopping the overuse of antibiotics also achieve the same thing?

[Adami]

Qed, as a lifelong vegetarian myself, I think you’re overselling it.

[qed]

Wouldn't stopping the overuse of antibiotics also achieve the same thing?

You can't stop this machine, follow the money. Only if people had the will to stop meat consumption, it would stop the market to sell it. Because if you want to produce and sell tons of it, the only way to do that is to use antibiotics.

[eric42434224]

Qed, as a lifelong vegetarian myself, I think you’re overselling it.

Celebrate....you now know you are immune to viruses.

[qed]

Qed, as a lifelong vegetarian myself, I think you’re overselling it.

How can you oversell something that is not for sale? Honestly, I cannot oversell a brighter future of mankind. Like, 'peace sells... but who's buying'. 

[Adami]

Qed, as a lifelong vegetarian myself, I think you’re overselling it.

How can you oversell something that is not for sale? Honestly, I cannot oversell a brighter future of mankind.

I'm going to take a bet, and I may be wrong, but I feel like if you keep trying to pitch vegetarianism the way you are, meat sales will go up.

[Chino]

Okay, but that's a different discussion altogether. For the record, I do agree with the idea that mankind's destructive attitude (not everybody, but in general) towards nature and other animals - basically our homeplanet - is not the way to go forward. That Pythagoras supposedly said/wrote something similar over 2000 years ago doesn't really matter in that sense.

That coronavirus came as a result of this destructive behaviour - lots of different living animals stuck in cages close to each other (something that's repulsive in and of itself as far as I'm concerned) - should be a wake-up call. Unfortunately, it didn't really turn out to be a 'wake-up call' after SARS got into the world via the same route.

It's Law of Consequences at work. Pythagoras knew this. When you consume meat you're taking a life away from a lower living being -- you then create the exact required conditions within your physical body for a virus to eat you from inside the same way you have consumed an animal.

So, why is COVID a uniquely human phenomenon?  There are many species in the animal kingdom that consume other animals.  If consuming meat is the "exact" criteria/condition required for the body to be susceptible to a virus the way you outline, please explain why such virus' are not more prevalent in the animal kingdom?

Carnivorous animals have enough specific deceases, but in this case immune deficiency in humans has been obtained through the years of antibiotics consumption along with the meat, which made the immune system weak to the virus.

This one is a double whammy. Not only are we decreasing the effectiveness of our immune systems, the antibiotics force harmful bacteria and the like to mutate more aggressively and at a faster rate.

Exactly, thus the only way to stop it -- is to stop meat consumption, and there will be no need to massacre animals anymore. Hence, there will be peace, and we will complete another phase of our evolution.

No. I'll still consume beef ribs, brisket, bacon, loins, chicken, and steak from smaller farms that don't pump their product full of shit.

[qed]

Qed, as a lifelong vegetarian myself, I think you’re overselling it.

How can you oversell something that is not for sale? Honestly, I cannot oversell a brighter future of mankind.

I'm going to take a bet, and I may be wrong, but I feel like if you keep trying to pitch vegetarianism the way you are, meat sales will go up.

At this point there's no way back. People should know the truth of why exactly this is happening.

[The Walrus]

Meat isn't bad for you and this hippie nonsense about how stopping eating meat altogether is gonna save mankind is exactly that.

[qed]

Exactly, thus the only way to stop it -- is to stop meat consumption, and there will be no need to massacre animals anymore. Hence, there will be peace, and we will complete another phase of our evolution.

No. I'll still consume beef ribs, brisket, bacon, loins, chicken, and steak from smaller farm that don't pump their product full of shit.

Now when you know the truth, from now on it's your choice and your responsibility for it.

[Chino]

Exactly, thus the only way to stop it -- is to stop meat consumption, and there will be no need to massacre animals anymore. Hence, there will be peace, and we will complete another phase of our evolution.

No. I'll still consume beef ribs, brisket, bacon, loins, chicken, and steak from smaller farms that don't pump their product full of shit.

Now when you know the truth, from now on it's your choice and your responsibility for it.

I hate you.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Qed, as a lifelong vegetarian myself, I think you’re overselling it.

How can you oversell something that is not for sale? Honestly, I cannot oversell a brighter future of mankind.

I'm going to take a bet, and I may be wrong, but I feel like if you keep trying to pitch vegetarianism the way you are, meat sales will go up.

qed is actually an undercover agent for Big Meat trying to drum up sales.