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Title: What's your handwriting like DTF?
Post by: alirocker08 on September 18, 2011, 11:37:09 AM
I'm curious.

And I'll upload a page of my History notes for you tomorrow, because you all need to try and decipher a page about the Monarchy and Parliament in the early 1600s in tiny, illegible handwriting. You can feel like my examiners. They all hate me.
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Post by: MasterShakezula on September 18, 2011, 11:39:02 AM
Mine's worse; even I can't read it most of the time.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 18, 2011, 11:39:28 AM
I still have one saved from when we did the same thread years back, so I'm recycling it (my handwriting has no doubt gone downhill since). Kinda blurry, but you get the idea.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/handwriting.jpg)
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Post by: 73109 on September 18, 2011, 11:55:41 AM
Mine's worse; even I can't read it most of the time.

Sam here.
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Post by: alirocker08 on September 18, 2011, 12:05:31 PM
How can you say it's worse if you haven't seen it yet :P

Blob, that picture is awesome. Just sayin'
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Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 18, 2011, 12:06:26 PM
Mine's worse; even I can't read it most of the time.
Title: Re: What's your handwriting like DTF?
Post by: 73109 on September 18, 2011, 12:06:47 PM
I'm curious.

And I'll upload a page of my History notes for you tomorrow, because you all need to try and decipher a page about the Monarchy and Parliament in the early 1600s in tiny, illegible handwriting. You can feel like my examiners. They all hate me.

Glorious Revolution?
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Post by: MasterShakezula on September 18, 2011, 12:12:18 PM
That be the late 1600s.  I think.
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Post by: 73109 on September 18, 2011, 12:13:00 PM
Why did I think 1638...*goes to check*

edit: 1688...My 3 probably looked like an 8 :lol

double edit:

The English "Civil War" between the crown and Cromwell and his cronies started in 1638.
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Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 18, 2011, 12:17:54 PM
I write fairly nicely in cursive, but my print is very sloppy.  I was home-schooled, and we were basically taught to write in cursive 100% of the time, which seems really stupid now that I'm out in the real world (not-at-home school) and cursive has no use whatsoever. 
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Post by: 73109 on September 18, 2011, 12:20:50 PM
Why were you home schooled?
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Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 18, 2011, 12:22:22 PM
I write fairly nicely in cursive, but my print is very sloppy.  I was home-schooled, and we were basically taught to write in cursive 100% of the time, which seems really stupid now that I'm out in the real world (not-at-home school) and cursive has no use whatsoever.
Yeah, in elementary school we had to write cursive 100% grades 3-5, then we never did it again.
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Post by: 73109 on September 18, 2011, 12:29:32 PM
I had to do it for all of 5th grade. That's it.
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Post by: alirocker08 on September 18, 2011, 12:53:03 PM
Why did I think 1638...*goes to check*

edit: 1688...My 3 probably looked like an 8 :lol

double edit:

The English "Civil War" between the crown and Cromwell and his cronies started in 1638.

Well, we're studying the period 1625-1642, so generally the build up to the Civil War and stuffs :)
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Post by: Jamesman42 on September 18, 2011, 01:36:34 PM
I still have one saved from when we did the same thread years back, so I'm recycling it (my handwriting has no doubt gone downhill since). Kinda blurry, but you get the idea.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/handwriting.jpg)

Yes.
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Post by: Jamesman42 on September 18, 2011, 01:43:54 PM
(https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/highaerials36/IMG_20110918_154203.jpg)
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Post by: krands85 on September 18, 2011, 01:50:19 PM
My handwriting sucks. I'm just generally terrible with pens/pencils - my writings crappy and not neat at all and I can't draw either  :-[
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Post by: lonestar on September 18, 2011, 01:58:06 PM
(https://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9592/img20110918125245.jpg)


Love you too, james.  (kid you not, I took this pic before I saw yours, yet the similarities are eerie)
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Post by: Jamesman42 on September 18, 2011, 02:04:20 PM
(https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/highaerials36/IMG_20110918_160311.jpg)
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Post by: Gadough on September 18, 2011, 02:13:48 PM
(https://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n388/Hatchetbull/Photoon2011-09-18at1512.jpg)
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Post by: Jamesman42 on September 18, 2011, 02:15:20 PM
Some people tell me I write like a [woman?]. I think that's [sexy?]

-[Love?], Gadouche
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Post by: Gadough on September 18, 2011, 02:15:51 PM
doctor, silly

Edit: I think I missed your joke. lol
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Post by: Jamesman42 on September 18, 2011, 02:16:40 PM
Haha if you say so, douchebag
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Post by: Gadough on September 18, 2011, 02:21:16 PM
</3
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Post by: ZBomber on September 18, 2011, 02:46:25 PM
Do you all actually write in cursive? The only time I write in cursive is when I am doing my signature.
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Post by: Gadough on September 18, 2011, 02:52:02 PM
I do, but only if I'm writing for myself. It's easier and quicker for me. If it's on a test or for an assignment, I'll write in print.
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Post by: HarlequinForest on September 18, 2011, 04:36:48 PM
Here are my latest notes:

(https://img847.imageshack.us/img847/3193/noteswp.jpg)
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Post by: Phoenix87x on September 18, 2011, 04:52:45 PM
Good luck with this mess,

(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/DSC00281.jpg)
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Post by: obscure on September 18, 2011, 04:58:43 PM
(https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/highaerials36/IMG_20110918_154203.jpg)

Awwwwww
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Post by: Dr. DTVT on September 18, 2011, 05:20:29 PM
I guess the thread was deleted in the massive thread cleanup, but the last time this thread came around someone - I think it was TrueDeathofLife - had written all over their arm.  Too bad we lost that thread.
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Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 18, 2011, 05:24:04 PM
Hey James, the whole fawning over Obscure thing is actually very fucking creepy
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Post by: Jamesman42 on September 18, 2011, 05:43:31 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I aim to be creepy.

Any other problems you want to discuss?
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Post by: Gadough on September 18, 2011, 06:04:17 PM
Yes.

The problem of me not being included in your sig.

 :angry:
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Post by: obscure on September 18, 2011, 06:05:23 PM
awww what a sweet problem  :heart
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Post by: Jamesman42 on September 18, 2011, 06:11:48 PM
Haha when I get on my computer again ill put you in so you feel even worse about yourself douche
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Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 18, 2011, 06:14:44 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I aim to be creepy.

Any other problems you want to discuss?

Yes, can you make sure I don't have to read about it in every fuckin thread I open?
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Post by: Jamesman42 on September 18, 2011, 06:17:23 PM
When did plm become so miserable?
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Post by: Gadough on September 18, 2011, 06:20:25 PM
Haha when I get on my computer again ill put you in so you feel even worse about yourself douche

You better
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Post by: VioletS16 on September 18, 2011, 09:19:44 PM
My handwriting....god, my 4's look like 9's and reverse. I've seriously screwed up math problems before because of it. >.-
I'll post a pic in the morning folks  :heart :heart




nighty night all  :angel:
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Post by: SPNKr on September 18, 2011, 11:58:16 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I aim to be creepy.

Any other problems you want to discuss?

I don't have to read about it in every fuckin thread I open

yeah... this.
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Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 19, 2011, 07:22:07 AM
(https://imgur.com/EEe9k.jpg)
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Post by: Jamesman42 on September 19, 2011, 10:05:46 AM
Hahaha
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Post by: ich bin besser on September 19, 2011, 10:35:20 AM
Is it true that in the US, you don't learn to write in cursive?

In Germany, we actually have a few different ones (schools can decide which one to use):

(https://www.achtsam-schreiben-lernen.de/pic/schulschriften.gif)

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Post by: lordxizor on September 19, 2011, 10:37:27 AM
Is it true that in the US, you don't learn to write in cursive?
These days a lot of school don't. Though anyone in their 20s or older likely did.
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Post by: ZBomber on September 19, 2011, 11:07:38 AM
Is it true that in the US, you don't learn to write in cursive?
These days a lot of school don't. Though anyone in their 20s or older likely did.

Mhmm. I had to learn it in elementary school (I'll be 21 this week) but I guess people just a few years younger than me were not taught to.

And it is kind of pointless, tbh. Aside from my signature (and the very rare time or two when I had to write out an "I agree with this" kind of statement on legal documents) I never use cursive. And to be honest, I can't even remember some of the "correct" ways to make some of the less-used capital letters, like Q or Y.
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Post by: lordxizor on September 19, 2011, 11:08:59 AM
It's a hell of lot faster to write in cursive than printing, but given that we write so liitle and type so much these days, it's probably not all that important.
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Post by: MetalMike06 on September 19, 2011, 11:46:04 AM
Yeah we started learning cursive in 2nd or 3rd grade. Periodically throughout school in the younger years teachers would sometimes require students to write in cursive, but when high school/college comes around, they don't care how you write, they just care about the substance of your writing. At least in my experience.
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Post by: MetalMike06 on September 19, 2011, 12:03:04 PM
Anyway, my handwriting is sort of a messy printing/cursive hybrid. Some recent notes:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/metalmike7159/IMG_0338.jpg)
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Post by: alirocker08 on September 19, 2011, 02:15:03 PM
(https://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq269/alirocker08/Untitled-1-1.jpg)
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Post by: jsem on September 19, 2011, 02:29:17 PM
(https://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq269/alirocker08/Untitled-1-1.jpg)
Wait... you actually write that normally?

I find it amazing yet unreadable at the same time. I'm confused. ???
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Post by: Jamesman42 on September 19, 2011, 02:31:32 PM
I'll write back to you, Alice, if you tell me what the last part says. :lol


Is it true that in the US, you don't learn to write in cursive?


That sucks, if it is true. I learned it and still use it when necessary and can still do the whole alphabet.
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Post by: Deadpool on September 19, 2011, 02:46:26 PM
I write in Comic Sans.

(https://psycho_k.webs.com/img/trollface_emote.png)
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Post by: alirocker08 on September 19, 2011, 03:31:53 PM
Wait... you actually write that normally?

I find it amazing yet unreadable at the same time. I'm confused. ???
Yes, yes I do, it's beautiful in its illegibility.
I'll write back to you, Alice, if you tell me what the last part says. :lol

'P.S- I am very jealous of Jamesman, I only wish Obscure saw me in that way </3' :')
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Post by: King Postwhore on September 19, 2011, 03:35:37 PM
I have the worst chicken scratch you've ever seen.
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Post by: obscure on September 19, 2011, 04:53:41 PM
Wait... you actually write that normally?

I find it amazing yet unreadable at the same time. I'm confused. ???
Yes, yes I do, it's beautiful in its illegibility.
I'll write back to you, Alice, if you tell me what the last part says. :lol

'P.S- I am very jealous of Jamesman, I only wish Obscure saw me in that way </3' :')
:laugh:
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Post by: Gadough on September 19, 2011, 05:27:12 PM
Holy shit Alice, that's amazing. :hefdaddy
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Post by: MasterShakezula on September 19, 2011, 05:30:32 PM
Here's my attempt at cursive. 

It's actually really neat by my standards, since I wanted to put some TLC into it for this fine group of older strangers on the internet.

(https://i.imgur.com/aNi6W.jpg)
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Post by: TempusVox on September 26, 2011, 01:13:19 AM
I actually have a mild case of a condition known as Spatial Dysgraphia. It is a neurological disorder characterized by mixing of upper and lower case and print and cursive letters. My handwriting as a result is horrible. It always has been. In order to write properly by hand, it takes an extraordinary and time consuming effort. Basically, my hand writing looks horrible. That's it. My son's is the same way, and his doc thinks we both share this same condition, and were born with it.
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Post by: Edan the Man on September 26, 2011, 03:15:40 AM
I have the worst chicken scratch you've ever seen.
I'm sure some Neosporin will clear that right up.
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Post by: Super Dude on September 26, 2011, 06:36:01 AM
I swear we've had this thread before, and all the DTFers wrote letters to each other and posted them.  Ah, good times. /old man
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Post by: Jirpo on September 26, 2011, 06:42:04 AM
(https://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq269/alirocker08/Untitled-1-1.jpg)
Wow, thats very interesting lol.


I have very big handwriting, helps a bit with essays cause it always looks better when you do more pages :p
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Post by: Logical Nightmare on September 26, 2011, 08:40:02 AM
(https://i56.tinypic.com/24dr3fo.jpg)
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Post by: Edan the Man on September 26, 2011, 08:56:35 AM
When I consciously try to write neatly, it looks like the text in this: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=28146.0

But normal relaxed writing is more like:
(https://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/Edan1266/handwriting.jpg)
(done using a tablet, but it's close enough to what my writing on paper is like)
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Post by: wkiml on September 26, 2011, 10:15:11 AM
Schools in NJ  (Elementary through High School) now require all work assignments be written with a computer and printed, so teachers don't have to decipher kids penmanship

Not something I am happy about since my kids writing looks like chicken scratch

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Post by: carl320 on September 26, 2011, 11:18:47 AM
Schools in NJ  (Elementary through High School) now require all work assignments be written with a computer and printed, so teachers don't have to decipher kids penmanship


Do they still teach handwriting?  This makes it sound like it's going the way of the dodo.
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Post by: XJDenton on September 26, 2011, 11:41:30 AM
(https://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/XJDenton/handwrite.png)
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Post by: wkiml on September 26, 2011, 11:59:08 AM
Schools in NJ  (Elementary through High School) now require all work assignments be written with a computer and printed, so teachers don't have to decipher kids penmanship


Do they still teach handwriting?  This makes it sound like it's going the way of the dodo.


Not in my kids schools...my 2 olders sons had some penmanship classes when they were in elementary ( learning cursive etc....)  my youngest guy no such class

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Post by: wasteland on September 26, 2011, 12:39:41 PM
(https://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3029/26092011130.jpg)


A bigger example (in italian):

(https://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9559/26092011128.jpg)
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Post by: lonestar on September 26, 2011, 12:48:19 PM
I didn't know Italian had so many numbers in it. :P
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Post by: wasteland on September 26, 2011, 01:09:04 PM
I didn't know Italian had so many numbers in it. :P

The only numbers in that page are 1 and 2  :)
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Post by: XJDenton on September 26, 2011, 01:13:27 PM
Real math doesn't have numbers in it. Hell, you're lucky if it even has roman characters in it.
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Post by: wasteland on September 26, 2011, 01:40:11 PM
Real math doesn't have numbers in it. Hell, you're lucky if it even has roman characters in it.

This is more like statistic than pure math, yet we have been using a lot of greek characters in it. I consider myself lucky for not having yet been forced to use the hebrew alphabet.  :lol
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Post by: lonestar on September 26, 2011, 02:14:11 PM
I guess you can see why I cook.
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Post by: wasteland on September 26, 2011, 02:36:49 PM
I guess you can see why I cook.

To keep phisicists and mathematicians alive  :lol
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Post by: MetalJunkie on September 26, 2011, 03:43:18 PM
I wrote a letter to my mom.

(https://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t87/Guitarded101/remote.png)
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Post by: wasteland on August 15, 2012, 10:19:23 AM
Bringing this back after a while. I'm thrilled to find out about more DTF handwritings.  :tup

New one:

(https://img543.imageshack.us/img543/922/scan0001dq.jpg)
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Post by: DebraKadabra on August 15, 2012, 12:18:16 PM
I have a pic taken, but I think I'm going to do something different.
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Post by: lonestar on August 15, 2012, 12:32:27 PM
I have a pic taken, but I think I'm going to do something different.

:caffeine:

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Post by: Sketchy on August 15, 2012, 12:51:40 PM
I'll try to find a pic, but it's pretty loopy and I'm often told it looks like illuminations in some fourteenth century manuscript.
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Post by: Zook on August 15, 2012, 01:31:46 PM
I write in all caps. People often tell me I talk too softly, so I make sure everything is clear in writing. :neverusethis:
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Post by: lonestar on August 15, 2012, 02:30:43 PM
I guess you can see why I cook.

To keep phisicists and mathematicians alive  :lol
:tup
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Post by: rumborak on August 15, 2012, 02:51:57 PM
I'm a lefty programmer, so no point in even showing.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 21, 2012, 04:47:03 AM
(https://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn431/Moriel_Alcaril/Image0350.jpg)

I actually tried to keep it neat. I think I need to practice more.
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Post by: Jaq on August 21, 2012, 07:44:24 AM
My handwriting is terrible due to something that was utterly beyond my control.

When I was very young, I moved between second and third grade. The school system I had been in taught cursive writing starting in third grade...the one I moved to taught it in second grade. I basically had to learn to write in cursive without anyone actually TEACHING it to me, and as a result, it utterly destroyed my handwriting, because I wound up writing everything in the weird hybrid print/cursive style I taught myself. To this day, my handwriting is horrible, and if I want it to be readable, I have to print verrrrrrrrrry slowly and use large letters. Thank god for computers.  :lol
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Post by: robwebster on August 21, 2012, 08:06:36 AM
My handwriting is terrible due to something that was utterly beyond my control.

When I was very young, I moved between second and third grade. The school system I had been in taught cursive writing starting in third grade...the one I moved to taught it in second grade. I basically had to learn to write in cursive without anyone actually TEACHING it to me, and as a result, it utterly destroyed my handwriting, because I wound up writing everything in the weird hybrid print/cursive style I taught myself. To this day, my handwriting is horrible, and if I want it to be readable, I have to print verrrrrrrrrry slowly and use large letters. Thank god for computers.  :lol
I sort of had something... not similar, but not miles away, whereby my primary school was insistent that everyone should do joined-up writing (as I still call it), so you'd lose marks if you didn't, you'd get told off, and there were genuinely handwriting exams at the end of the year. I get the impression it wasn't their fault, it was probably on the curriculum, but it was the one thing I never got right. Constantly struggled with it. Awful, awful, scribbly writing. And I kept on writing like that for years, thinking my handwriting was shit but that it'd be wrong to write any other way. Properly brainwashed - until at the end of the first year of secondary school, I got some scrap paper and wrote each letter separately, just to see how it'd come out.

Lightbulb moment. Everything worked. Wasn't a cure, I've still got fairly scribbly writing, but it's scribbly-legible, rather than scribbly-what-the-fuck's-that. I'd spent six years or so being told repeatedly that joining all my letters up was the only way to make my handwriting look nice. Soon as I disregarded that nonsense, my handwriting actually looked nice. Lovely.

Nowadays it's a sort of mix between cursive and printed. My primary school teachers would have a heart attack.

Ah well. Let 'em!!
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Post by: PuffyPat on August 21, 2012, 09:43:15 AM
Pretty dreadful. I can write neatly when I so choose, but I normally write fairly quickly and it can get very messy.
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Post by: wasteland on August 21, 2012, 01:42:44 PM
I was going to start a new thread to see who's left handed and who isn't... Has there ever been a thread like that in the recent past? If it has, it must have been beyond my memory and the scope of the search tool  :lol
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Post by: lonestar on August 21, 2012, 02:09:30 PM
Shit, DTF's search tool couldn't find its own ass with both hands.
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Post by: Sketchy on August 21, 2012, 02:14:07 PM
Just checked your claim, chef, and you're completely right. It couldn't.
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Post by: DebraKadabra on August 22, 2012, 07:41:01 PM
I STILL need to redo my original idea and post it up. :facepalm: :blush
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 23, 2012, 02:45:15 AM
Do iiiiiiiiit!
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Post by: DebraKadabra on August 23, 2012, 02:53:40 AM
I wiiiiiiiiiill! :biggrin:
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Post by: Scrub206 on August 23, 2012, 08:34:01 PM
(https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/Scrub206/20120822_214548.jpg)
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Post by: DebraKadabra on August 24, 2012, 05:26:18 PM
As promised... Debbie's chicken scratch! :laugh:

This was the original idea
(https://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6127/img2012080200537.th.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/29/img2012080200537.jpg/)

This was the reboot
(https://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8586/img2012082400558.th.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/99/img2012082400558.jpg/)