DT tour delayed ...scratch that ...it's started

[Madman Shepherd]

I still don't understand what they think is going to be different in February/March. They could still get sick then too, that is part of life, always has been. The corporate media's fear porn is not going to subside since that is all they've got. Either go out and resume playing music, or continue playing pandemic.

Exactly. Live your life or keep hiding in fear. They can play shows again or they can call it quits.

...or there are other options like wait and play shows when they're more comfortable. I mean, I think the "fear" of having to cancel several shows and lose hundreds of thousands of dollars is not an unreasonable fear.

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

So I think I got to the point where I would OK with DT playing Mangini Era songs only and the concert would kick ass. In fact, a concert playing songs from the last 2 albums only would still get my money's worth.  I also hope Sleeping Giant is played. It's my early favorite of the album.

I agree with this. There are so many great songs from the MP era. I have heard them live and on DVD and would be fine if we only heard them on encores. MM era is a wealth of great songs.

I think they should play the entire View album on the next tour plus a few neglected ones from DoT and dt12.

[cramx3]

So I think I got to the point where I would OK with DT playing Mangini Era songs only and the concert would kick ass. In fact, a concert playing songs from the last 2 albums only would still get my money's worth.  I also hope Sleeping Giant is played. It's my early favorite of the album.

I agree with this. There are so many great songs from the MP era. I have heard them live and on DVD and would be fine if we only heard them on encores. MM era is a wealth of great songs.

I think they should play the entire View album on the next tour plus a few neglected ones from DoT and dt12.

1. I would not be against a MM only tour, but it would have to have the songs DT have not played much or at all with MM to make it a really good set for me though.  (Surrender to Reason for example)
2. I'm also not against playing all of the new album, but at 70 minutes with an opener, it wouldn't leave too much wiggle room.  If it included the neglected ones, it would basically be the same as 1... which I'm good with as said.

side note, there's only really two MP era songs I really want to see live that I haven't yet... Glass Prison and Octavarium.  I don't expect either of those this tour. I'd really love to see Blind Faith too but I think that's even less realistic.

[Kram]

How about this for a MM only set list -

S2N
New album in it's entirety.

Encore:
Bridges in the Sky
Surrender to Reason
At Wits End

[KevShmev]

A MM era set list that ignores The Astonishing would be a travesty.

[Glasser]

A MM era set list that ignores The Astonishing would be a travesty.

Maybe in time they will do a full production live show “The Astonishing”!!! That would be EPIC and I believe would bring the album to life for those who might not have liked it before. It took me time but I came  around to liking it. Picture a live CD/DVD of the entire album, with special guests for all the characters!

[Mr.Mister]

A MM era set list that ignores The Astonishing would be a travesty.

I'd love to see any of these songs live again: Three Days (that ending!), A Life Left Behind (That intro!), A New Beginning (That solo!), Heaven's Cove (love the riff), Walking Shadow + My Last Farewell. 

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

A MM era set list that ignores The Astonishing would be a travesty.

Maybe in time they will do a full production live show “The Astonishing”!!! That would be EPIC and I believe would bring the album to life for those who might not liked it before. It took me time but I came  around to liking it. Picture a live CD/DVD of the entire album, with special guests for all the characters!

Not sure how the Astonishing tour did, but I think that the only way to present this going forward is in a theater on a stage with a bunch of people playing different characters, which presents a whole universe of challenges. If you are a DT fan and didn't like it 5 years ago, I don't see you getting off your butt and plunking down $100 to see DT play it now.

[cramx3]

A MM era set list that ignores The Astonishing would be a travesty.

Agreed

[geeeemo]

A MM era set list that ignores The Astonishing would be a travesty.

I would love to see A New Beginning again! My first concert with DT and barely knowing who they were or their music. I saw JP play that solo and thought, "Who the heck is this guy?" It's been no holes barred ever since.

[Architeuthis]

The Astonishing concert was a very unique experience and one of my favorite DT shows ever.  I don't ever see it happening again due to logistics and lack of interest from the fan base (sadly).
I think it would be cool if they set up for one TA show in a big empty warehouse somewhere. That way they could make a nice production with props and lighting and film it over a period of a few days for a dvd.  Or they could just do it at DT headquarters when they get their larger space.  It doesn't hurt to dream..   

[Chino]

A MM era set list that ignores The Astonishing would be a travesty.

I'd love to see any of these songs live again: Three Days (that ending!), A Life Left Behind (That intro!), A New Beginning (That solo!), Heaven's Cove (love the riff), Walking Shadow + My Last Farewell.

Not getting that immortalized in HD sucks

[pg1067]

A MM era set list that ignores The Astonishing would be a travesty.

Maybe in time they will do a full production live show “The Astonishing”!!! That would be EPIC and I believe would bring the album to life for those who might not liked it before. It took me time but I came  around to liking it. Picture a live CD/DVD of the entire album, with special guests for all the characters!

Not sure how the Astonishing tour did, but I think that the only way to present this going forward is in a theater on a stage with a bunch of people playing different characters, which presents a whole universe of challenges. If you are a DT fan and didn't like it 5 years ago, I don't see you getting off your butt and plunking down $100 to see DT play it now.

I don't like and never have liked the album and didn't see the tour, but I would absolutely go see that sort of production.

[bosk1]

I like the album from the start and saw the tour, and I would absolutely avoid that sort of production.

[goo-goo]

I like the album from the start and saw the tour, and I would absolutely avoid that sort of production.

I kind of agree with you Bosk but maybe for Faythe, include a female lead singer. James kicked ass in the TA tour (saw this tour two times). Aside that, and if the female lead singer wasn't possible, then I wouldn't like having the multiple characters in the production either.

[geeeemo]

I like the album from the start and saw the tour, and I would absolutely avoid that sort of production.

I kind of agree with you Bosk but maybe for Faythe, include a female lead singer. James kicked ass in the TA tour (saw this tour two times). Aside that, and if the female lead singer wasn't possible, then I wouldn't like having the multiple characters in the production either.

I agree. James only. What was part of the greatness of that performance was watching James perform all the parts! It was amazing! I was at the show where they had Lzzy. Just wasn't a fan of the sharing of the singing. This was the album made for JLB.

[Chino]

I think the only way a non-DT driven version of the Astonishing would work if it was an all out theatrical production. I'm not sure a hybrid show would work. Something akin to Jim Steinman's 'Bat Out of Hell - The Musical' could be interesting. I'd be completely content with something like that, but I can 100% understand why the majority of DT fans would gag at such a show coming to fruition.

 

[Glasser]

I like the album from the start and saw the tour, and I would absolutely avoid that sort of production.

Really now?  Dream Theater doing Theatre is intriguing and probably would be outstanding. But I doubt it would even happen so this is pretty much moot.

[cramx3]

I'd be cool with just the same performance they actually did.  Something more than that might be a bit too much for me.  Having said that, this is all wishful thinking. Unless the fan base comes around and starts to appreciate TA (which I don't expect), they will never perform that album live again and I don't blame them.  Sucks, but that's the reality.  I'm glad I saw the show twice.

[KevShmev]

I like the album from the start and saw the tour, and I would absolutely avoid that sort of production.

I love most of the album, and I would also rather they avoid that kind of production.  Leaving aside the inevitable comparisons to Ayreon's The Human Equation (where JLB was also the main character/singer), I wouldn't personally have interest in seeing a DT show where a bunch of random singers are singing a bunch of JLB's parts.  Plus, I don't think DT has the stage presence/personality to make that kind of presentation work.

[Cool Chris]

I wouldn't personally have interest in seeing a DT show where a bunch of random singers are singing a bunch of JLB's parts.  Plus, I don't think DT has the stage presence/personality to make that kind of presentation work.

Agreed x2

[cramx3]

I wouldn't personally have interest in seeing a DT show where a bunch of random singers are singing a bunch of JLB's parts.  Plus, I don't think DT has the stage presence/personality to make that kind of presentation work.

Agreed x2

Agreed, and to add, I don't think JLB had the personality to make that Ayreon live album work either (in terms of being a lead in more of a theater show, than just his vocals).  I have that blu-ray and have struggled to watch it due to the theatrics being very cringe.

[Lonk]

Hearing this interview with JBL, the first 5 minutes he talks about the tour being postponed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbxgthoMUX4

I know there were earlier comments asking about vaccine. JBL Hints that all band members are vaccinated. And looks like the main 2 reasons for postponing was concern of getting sick, and concern of losing money if someone got sick.

[TheCountOfNYC]

A MM era set list that ignores The Astonishing would be a travesty.

Maybe in time they will do a full production live show “The Astonishing”!!! That would be EPIC and I believe would bring the album to life for those who might not have liked it before. It took me time but I came  around to liking it. Picture a live CD/DVD of the entire album, with special guests for all the characters!

A full production with some rock contemporaries as guest vocalists would be amazing. Hell they technically already cast Faythe.

[pg1067]

Hearing this interview with JBL, the first 5 minutes he talks about the tour being postponed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbxgthoMUX4

I know there were earlier comments asking about vaccine. JBL Hints that all band members are vaccinated. And looks like the main 2 reasons for postponing was concern of getting sick, and concern of losing money if someone got sick.

Today's speaker will be James BraLee.   

[Lonk]

Hearing this interview with JBL, the first 5 minutes he talks about the tour being postponed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbxgthoMUX4

I know there were earlier comments asking about vaccine. JBL Hints that all band members are vaccinated. And looks like the main 2 reasons for postponing was concern of getting sick, and concern of losing money if someone got sick.

Today's speaker will be James BraLee.   

lol

[DTFan0789]

Hearing this interview with JBL, the first 5 minutes he talks about the tour being postponed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbxgthoMUX4

I know there were earlier comments asking about vaccine. JBL Hints that all band members are vaccinated. And looks like the main 2 reasons for postponing was concern of getting sick, and concern of losing money if someone got sick.

I'm still not sure what is going to be any different in February/March. So during those two months it is impossible for the band/crew members to get sick? I'm not sure how the "vaccine" makes any difference either. Israel is the most heavily vaccinated country in the world, and they are in the midst of an outbreak and on their FOURTH shot now since the efficacy wanes over time and it does NOT stop you from catching the virus or transmitting it.

It goes back to what I said earlier, either go out and play music knowing that life itself has and always will come with risks, or continue to play pandemic.

[dtrocker25]

DT has pretty much been my favorite band for 25 years..been to every show I could in DFW and once in Tulsa for The Astonishing tour.. have my agenda and airfare from DFW to La Quardia and back all planned for  Kings Theater in Brooklyn 4 th row dead center .... then..    we’ll shit...  we all know

The most disappointing aspect is this .. total lack of  them  or management or whoever  updating even there own website  and links to ticket sites  with any new information or new dates .. I’ve seen posts where some ppl haven’t gotten any emails or anything letting them know something..anything

I love this band ..so yes I will do everything in my power to get to NYC  in Feb or March or whenever it is..I just want to know when that’s gonna be

[Chino]

Hearing this interview with JBL, the first 5 minutes he talks about the tour being postponed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbxgthoMUX4

I know there were earlier comments asking about vaccine. JBL Hints that all band members are vaccinated. And looks like the main 2 reasons for postponing was concern of getting sick, and concern of losing money if someone got sick.

I'm still not sure what is going to be any different in February/March. So during those two months it is impossible for the band/crew members to get sick? I'm not sure how the "vaccine" makes any difference either. Israel is the most heavily vaccinated country in the world, and they are in the midst of an outbreak and on their FOURTH shot now since the efficacy wanes over time and it does NOT stop you from catching the virus or transmitting it.

It goes back to what I said earlier, either go out and play music knowing that life itself has and always will come with risks, or continue to play pandemic.

Fan willingness to turn out maybe? I still maintain that ticket sales influenced this decision.

[MoraWintersoul]

Hearing this interview with JBL, the first 5 minutes he talks about the tour being postponed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbxgthoMUX4

I know there were earlier comments asking about vaccine. JBL Hints that all band members are vaccinated. And looks like the main 2 reasons for postponing was concern of getting sick, and concern of losing money if someone got sick.

I'm still not sure what is going to be any different in February/March. So during those two months it is impossible for the band/crew members to get sick? I'm not sure how the "vaccine" makes any difference either. Israel is the most heavily vaccinated country in the world, and they are in the midst of an outbreak and on their FOURTH shot now since the efficacy wanes over time and it does NOT stop you from catching the virus or transmitting it.

It goes back to what I said earlier, either go out and play music knowing that life itself has and always will come with risks, or continue to play pandemic.

Israel is not the most vaccinated country in the world. They're at 65% fully vaccinated, about the same as the USA, and the vaccine reduces both infection and transmission significantly, even though the dominant virus variant right now is about 8 times more infectious than the one the vaccines were tailored for. No one is "playing pandemic", the pandemic is ongoing, and ignoring it won't magically un-lose Dream Theater a buttload of money if someone gets sick and has to isolate and they have to cancel a lot of dates.

[DTwwbwMP]

The most disappointing aspect is this .. total lack of  them  or management or whoever  updating even there own website  and links to ticket sites  with any new information or new dates ..

EXACTLY!

[Chino]

The most disappointing aspect is this .. total lack of  them  or management or whoever  updating even there own website  and links to ticket sites  with any new information or new dates ..

EXACTLY!

Wow. I just looked. You're not kidding. Their website's tour section is as if nothing ever happened.

[cramx3]

The most disappointing aspect is this .. total lack of  them  or management or whoever  updating even there own website  and links to ticket sites  with any new information or new dates ..

EXACTLY!

Wow. I just looked. You're not kidding. Their website's tour section is as if nothing ever happened.

Yeah, this is a real problem.  I think the band really needs to be passing a message on all socials saying "the tour rescheduling is still in the works, you may see the old date or a new date on the ticketing websites, don't be alarmed we are still working on finalizing the new dates in 2022.  NONE of the shows in 2021 will be happening in 2021, do not show up to the venues!  We will make an announcement soon with the full new schedule and you will have the opportunity for a refund then if you haven't already directly from the ticket seller"  Of course with some better wording, but you get the idea.  The communication needs to be open before they piss someone off who is going to be too mad and won't keep their ticket for the new date further hurting sales.

[Ben_Jamin]

I wouldn't personally have interest in seeing a DT show where a bunch of random singers are singing a bunch of JLB's parts.  Plus, I don't think DT has the stage presence/personality to make that kind of presentation work.

Agreed x2

Agreed, and to add, I don't think JLB had the personality to make that Ayreon live album work either (in terms of being a lead in more of a theater show, than just his vocals).  I have that blu-ray and have struggled to watch it due to the theatrics being very cringe.

Me too and I enjoyed the acting. I do not compare this live show to any sort of theatrical theater show. This is compared to the Wall live for me. In the band plays the music, but the concept is brought forth by props and visuals, the visuals including the acting to compliment the dialogue of the characters. I think it's great and enhances the purpose of the characters. Like how each of the singers surround JLB and circle around him while singing directly to him, it represents the voices of the emotions that swirl inside our own head.

I also found it great how he included three new characters specifically for the live show. The Doctor, The Nurse, and The Mother, each with their own sung parts in the reprises, and the change of lyrics from an emotion character/the wife/best friend to be sung by one of them. Such as the first sung lyrics to Day 10:Memories being sung by the Doctor instead of The Best Friend and the next being sung by The Nurse rather than the wife.

JLB's performance in this production proves to me that JLB would be perfect to sing the Narrator or even Ahrys if they were to have done something similar to The Theater Equation with different vocalists. As a matter of fact, Marcela would be awesome to have on as Faythe.

[Madman Shepherd]

Hearing this interview with JBL, the first 5 minutes he talks about the tour being postponed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbxgthoMUX4

I know there were earlier comments asking about vaccine. JBL Hints that all band members are vaccinated. And looks like the main 2 reasons for postponing was concern of getting sick, and concern of losing money if someone got sick.

I'm still not sure what is going to be any different in February/March. So during those two months it is impossible for the band/crew members to get sick? I'm not sure how the "vaccine" makes any difference either. Israel is the most heavily vaccinated country in the world, and they are in the midst of an outbreak and on their FOURTH shot now since the efficacy wanes over time and it does NOT stop you from catching the virus or transmitting it.

It goes back to what I said earlier, either go out and play music knowing that life itself has and always will come with risks, or continue to play pandemic.

Israel is not the most vaccinated country in the world. They're at 65% fully vaccinated, about the same as the USA, and the vaccine reduces both infection and transmission significantly, even though the dominant virus variant right now is about 8 times more infectious than the one the vaccines were tailored for. No one is "playing pandemic", the pandemic is ongoing, and ignoring it won't magically un-lose Dream Theater a buttload of money if someone gets sick and has to isolate and they have to cancel a lot of dates.

Thank you! People seem to willfully ignore facts that are easily available.