Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[hefdaddy42]

Not sure how controversial this is, but I think the bonus disc of covers that came with BC&SL is better than the actual album itself.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Eh. I only really liked part of the Queen one. The rest was pretty forgettable.

[Outcrier]

Not sure how controversial this is, but I think the bonus disc of covers that came with BC&SL is better than the actual album itself.

Odyssey, Take your fingers from my hair and the Queen ones are my favorite!

[TheGreatPretender]

Eh. I only really liked part of the Queen one. The rest was pretty forgettable.

Stargazer wants a word with you! D:

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Can't even remember it.

[TheGreatPretender]

Can't even remember it.

Not even the original?

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Never heard it.

[aprilethereal]

Come on, man. I have to admit that I've never heard the DT version though

[fllnsprrw]

For some reason I cannot bring myself to enjoy DT doing cover songs...

Ironically enough, their cover of Master of Puppets contributed to me becoming a fan. After that though, I have been lost in their own material only and ignored any covers along the way.

[Nel]

Not sure how controversial this is, but I think the bonus disc of covers that came with BC&SL is better than the actual album itself.

I'd agree. BC&SL aged really badly and I've probably listened to the covers more than the actual album at this point.

[King Postwhore]

Why cut out anything DT?  That's just weird. You may not like them much or even like them a lot but to not even give them a spin is foolish.

[TheGreatPretender]

Never heard it.

Well, that is a shame.

[BlobVanDam]

Not sure how controversial this is, but I think the bonus disc of covers that came with BC&SL is better than the actual album itself.

Some of the covers are great, but no.

Controversial opinion - I don't like a lot of DT's covers, because they're not suited to straight rock/metal covers (I can't speak for the more prog stuff, since I don't know the original songs, and don't listen to them). While the stuff on Uncovered is technically played well, it doesn't have the feel.

[Tom Bombadil]

I usually find DT covers uninteresting, but I think their cover of Funeral for a Friend is nothing short of spectacular. I find myself listening to it quite a bit more than the original. MP and JP just inject so much energy and life into that song.

[TheGreatPretender]

I usually like DT's covers better than the originals. Diary of a Madman, for example. But that's just because I think JLB is a much better singer than Ozzy, and I don't even know how controversial that statement would be on this forum.

[BlobVanDam]

I usually like DT's covers better than the originals. Diary of a Madman, for example. But that's just because I think JLB is a much better singer than Ozzy, and I don't even know how controversial that statement would be on this forum.

JLB is undoubtedly the better singer (I love every Ozzy album, but even he's always been the first to admit he's not a strong singer), but I still don't feel he fit the song as well as Ozzy did, and the original backing is better imo, especially with the real strings and choir (not that I'm expecting DT should have had all that to cover one song, but it is what it is).
And while JLB did a good job with both Heaven and Hell and Mother Father, it's not fair to compare present day live JLB to Dio and Steve Perry at their peak in the studio.

[TheGreatPretender]

JLB is undoubtedly the better singer (I love every Ozzy album, but even he's always been the first to admit he's not a strong singer), but I still don't feel he fit the song as well as Ozzy did, and the original backing is better imo, especially with the real strings and choir (not that I'm expecting DT should have had all that to cover one song, but it is what it is).
And while JLB did a good job with both Heaven and Hell and Mother Father, it's not fair to compare present day live JLB to Dio and Steve Perry at their peak in the studio.

I actually thought that JLB kinda phoned in the performance on Heaven and Hell. It didn't sound like he was particularly trying.

[BlobVanDam]

JLB is undoubtedly the better singer (I love every Ozzy album, but even he's always been the first to admit he's not a strong singer), but I still don't feel he fit the song as well as Ozzy did, and the original backing is better imo, especially with the real strings and choir (not that I'm expecting DT should have had all that to cover one song, but it is what it is).
And while JLB did a good job with both Heaven and Hell and Mother Father, it's not fair to compare present day live JLB to Dio and Steve Perry at their peak in the studio.

I actually thought that JLB kinda phoned in the performance on Heaven and Hell. It didn't sound like he was particularly trying.

He was probably trying to pace himself. It's Dio, who usually sang full power for the entire song, and it's higher in range too.

[TheGreatPretender]

He was probably trying to pace himself. It's Dio, who usually sang full power for the entire song, and it's higher in range too.

It's not terribly high. Holy Diver actually has a couple of higher parts. That's the thing, too, it felt like it wasn't that hard for James. Like he wasn't even trying, really.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

That Heaven and Hell cover like that really makes you appreciate RJD that much more. Vocally, it was a pretty bad cover and stylistically off. JLB is not right for the style of RJD. He did a far better job on Stargazer of trying to sing in the style. In both cases, JLB simply does not have the tools to do these RJD songs justice. It just doesn't sound right to me. His voice is just too tiny, among other things.

Someone compared JLB to Ozzy in terms of singing earlier. I don't think Ozzy would do very well at all in DT, and I don't think JLB can do Black Sabbath right. I wouldn't like to hear either one of them do the other's songs. I don't want to be forced to compare them either, so I probably won't listen to any DT covers of Ozzy B. Sabbath if I can help it.

[TheGreatPretender]

I disagree. Not about Heaven and Hell, but I thought he did a fantastic job on Stargazer. Vocally, I enjoy it just as much as the original. And musically, I enjoy the cover better.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

I disagree. Not about Heaven and Hell, but I thought he did a fantastic job on Stargazer. Vocally, I enjoy it just as much as the original. And musically, I enjoy the cover better.

He was more stylistically in line with the original on Stargazer, but after listening to the original, this cover leaves you empty. In order to cover one of the greatest rock/metal singers of all time, you have to be in that upper echelon. Unfortunately that is what is lacking here.

[King Postwhore]

Live yes, in the studio, it was perfect.  It was a great cover.

[kneepel]

Misunderstood is their best song.

[BlobVanDam]

He was probably trying to pace himself. It's Dio, who usually sang full power for the entire song, and it's higher in range too.

It's not terribly high. Holy Diver actually has a couple of higher parts. That's the thing, too, it felt like it wasn't that hard for James. Like he wasn't even trying, really.

The verses are heavily centered around the B4 (and go higher), which is moderately high when you need to keep it up for a whole verse at a time. We know JLB can sing much higher (and well), but it's all about pacing/phrasing.

I disagree. Not about Heaven and Hell, but I thought he did a fantastic job on Stargazer. Vocally, I enjoy it just as much as the original. And musically, I enjoy the cover better.

He did a great job on Stargazer, although it still wasn't Dio. But it was an impressive vocal by JLB. Musically, I think I do enjoy the cover a little bit more for the heaviness, although both are good.

Misunderstood is their best song.

I like you already.

[ColdFireYYZ]

Misunderstood is their best song.

Misunderstood took a while to grow on me but I love it now. Not my favorite, but glad to see someone ranking it so highly!

[theseoafs]

Misunderstood is their best song.

Sure.  It's top 30 for me, but I can see why someone would put it in the top 10 (the music's great and the lyrics are easy to connect to).

[Orthogonal]

Misunderstood is their best song.

If it only it weren't for that outro...

[BlobVanDam]

You're all lightweights. There's nothing wrong with the outro!

[wasteland]

You're all lightweights. There's nothing wrong with the outro!

I so wish you could say the same for Scarred

[TheGreatPretender]

I disagree. Not about Heaven and Hell, but I thought he did a fantastic job on Stargazer. Vocally, I enjoy it just as much as the original. And musically, I enjoy the cover better.

He was more stylistically in line with the original on Stargazer, but after listening to the original, this cover leaves you empty. In order to cover one of the greatest rock/metal singers of all time, you have to be in that upper echelon. Unfortunately that is what is lacking here.

Leaves you empty, maybe. Certainly not me, and I think LaBrie is a better singer than many metal legends. Bruce Dickinson included. Now, Bruce is a better front man, and has much better stage presence and knows how to rile up the crowd. But as a singer, JLB is much more crafted, IMO. Dickinson just screams out half his lines, and it's nice and theatrical, but he just throws technique out the window half the time, I find.

The verses are heavily centered around the B4 (and go higher), which is moderately high when you need to keep it up for a whole verse at a time. We know JLB can sing much higher (and well), but it's all about pacing/phrasing.

Well, I can sing H&H without too much trouble, and I'm definitely not up to JLB's range.
Either way, I think the issue was in HOW he performed it, not so much in whether he had a hard time with it or not. It is the kind of song that needs heart put into it for it to sound effective, and he sounded like he just autopiloted through it, and that's where I think it failed.

[Outcrier]

Pretty much all SDOIT is in my top 20 

[TheGreatPretender]

Pretty much all SDOIT is in my top 20 

I don't know how controversial that is.

[Outcrier]

What is the controversy in loving a album that most DT fans love?

[BlobVanDam]

You're all lightweights. There's nothing wrong with the outro!

I so wish you could say the same for Scarred

And I so wish Scarred was a good song, but you can't always get what you want.