As for your last sentence, well, again, that's your interpretation, but since you weren't in the room, you have to accept that it is but one interpretation and likely not the correct one.
Why do you keep saying this? All we have to go by is by the way MP represents himself which is mostly shit towards DT so how else are we supposed to interpret the situation?
I keep saying it because it's TRUE. You DON'T have to limit yourself to the "way MP represents himself". That's your choice. Own it.
As far as I have seen, he and others who hold that opinion have "owned it," so there's no need to keep beating a dead horse. You constantly repeating the same thing and going after others for having an opinion needs to stop. It is derailing the thread and is bordering on (and often crossing into) personal attacks. You have made this same point repeatedly, so there is no need to keep repeating it unless context indicates that you something new needs to be brought to the table on the issue.
Not sure why you're singling me out, other than I'm the only one really making the case, but so be it. It's not the first time. That doesn't mean I'm wrong, though. I'm not now nor never have "gone after someone for having an opinion", and I've been clear on that. I have, though, gone after someone for misstating clear facts. I don't see why that is wrong.
I'm being told I'm "beating a dead horse", but since I'm responding to the same wrong argument each time, I'm not sure that homicide is mine to own. I've also not personally attacked anyone; I have however, called someone out on the factual incorrectness of their own words, even after they personally attacked me (apparently, I'm not worth knowing in person, according to PetFish). As always, though, it's not my place it's not my call. I disagree but I respect it.
I will offer clarification, and will do so here in the thread because I think it will be helpful for the discussion in general. But any further discussion back and forth should be addressed via PM, please.
First, with regard to "singling out"--You are not the only one whose tone is crossing the line. But (1) yours are the posts that are going the farthest, at least as I perceive them; and (2) yours appear to be the catalyst for others crossing the line on this issue. That doesn't mean others don't need to watch it as well. (the last two posts, for example, come to mind--Guys, you might just be taking a playful jab at Stadler. But under the circumstances, it is just adding fuel to the fire, so please knock that off) Whenever I or the mods have to come down on someone and tell them to stop doing something, and their opinion happens to be in the minority, we get accused of "bias" or "singling out" or worse. That's just part of the job. You aren't being singled out for your viewpoint. You are being singled out because I perceive your posts to be a potential problem. And at the end of the day, when I spend so much of my free time modding a board as a free service for a band I love and a group of fellow fans, I don't need added problems. So right or wrong, I am going to put the kibosh on things that give me headaches.
Second, and related to that, I want to address the sentiment of: "since I'm responding to the same wrong argument each time, I'm not sure that homicide is mine to own." Here's the distinction as I see it: People are reacting to each new tweet, or interview, or other public statement. Every time Mike or Derek posts or says something negative, it is commented on. The substance of the posts here may be the same. But they are responding to new things. That is valid and isn't simply repetition. Your responses to that ARE the same and aren't bringing anything new to the table. Yeah, it's valid to say that context matters. But you have made that point now. Unless there is some NEW context you want to discuss, you repeating the exact same thing (albeit in different ways) doesn't add anything new to the discussion and comes across as shouting people down. Others have said that on this issue (i.e., specifically the issue of the appropriateness or inappropriateness of Mike's/Derek's
public commentary) that any unknown behind-the-scenes context is irrelevant, and they have explained precisely
why they feel that way. Opinions on both sides are valid. But we don't need to keep repeating them. Yes, it is adding posts and pages to the thread. But it is not adding value, and I feel it has reached a point where it is actually distracting from the conversation, which is why I am saying "enough."
Not sure what else needs to be said, so I'll just leave it at that. I'm not trying to shut down discussion on the issues and not trying to elevate one "side" over the other (although I think I have made my own opinions on the subjects in this thread known). But unless there is something new on the issue of whether the backstage context behind the public statements matters, let's ditch the shouting match over that.
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