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According to mike mangini's Facebook he is off to set up his new kit all ready for writing and recording the new album I would cut and paste it but I am on my phone:-( anyone else excited?
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Two weeks?
I thought it said next week?
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https://youtu.be/V17duGlHEYY
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Yes sorry one week :chill still excited though
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Maybe someone can stake out the studio so we can find out who the new drummer is . . . . oh wait, that was last time.
I'm excited to focus on what the new music will be like. I hope we get some updates from them.
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I was just thinking that! Yes some YouTube updates would be great:-)
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Maybe someone can stake out the studio so we can find out who the new drummer is . . . . oh wait, that was last time.
:rollin :rollin
Those were times! I remember the guy who came out of the blue and posted a huge and correct investigation on the studio they were recording.
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I remember that! Didn't he see Mangini leave the studio?
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I remember that! Didn't he see Mangini leave the studio?
No, that one was another guy! The one I'm saying was the one that guessed that they were recording at the Cove City basing himself on the twitter pics of the studio!
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Oh that one. What I find funny is that the picture that was tweeted of Myung sitting down at the studio with the bass is almost similar to the one of Myung at Cove City in Lifting Shadows
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:caffeine:
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Hopefully a September release if not earlier! Can't wait :D
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I remember that! Didn't he see Mangini leave the studio?
No, that one was another guy! The one I'm saying was the one that guessed that they were recording at the Cove City basing himself on the twitter pics of the studio!
I remember somebody posting that he guessed if you were to sit across the street from the Cove City studio for a few hours you probably wouldn't see much. Probably just some people going in and out and a food deliver car pull up...but it was only a guess.
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I remember that! Didn't he see Mangini leave the studio?
No, that one was another guy! The one I'm saying was the one that guessed that they were recording at the Cove City basing himself on the twitter pics of the studio!
I remember somebody posting that he guessed if you were to sit across the street from the Cove City studio for a few hours you probably wouldn't see much. Probably just some people going in and out and a food deliver car pull up...but it was only a guess.
Starbucks delivery*
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JP just posted somes picks on Facebook and titled it...........Let the fun begin. :metal
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JP just posted somes picks on Facebook and titled it...........Let the fun begin. :metal
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/317965_493569454028405_1477291191_n.jpg) here it is :)
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awesome!!!
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https://youtu.be/V17duGlHEYY
:rollin :lol :rollin that is ridiculous
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:dangerwillrobinson:
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:victorydance: :hefdaddy
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Is it ok to say I have a boner.. :yarr
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JP just posted somes picks on Facebook and titled it...........Let the fun begin. :metal
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/317965_493569454028405_1477291191_n.jpg) here it is :)
Well looks like Jordan and Mike's gear is ready to go (soon), and admittedly, they probably have the most to bring in terms of sheer weight and volume, though I'm sure the Johns will bring some great gear as well! Can't wait to hear their updates on this! And let's hope they film a full studio documentary this time around!
-Marc.
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JP just posted somes picks on Facebook and titled it...........Let the fun begin. :metal
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/317965_493569454028405_1477291191_n.jpg) here it is :)
:hefdaddy
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Is it ok to say I have a boner.. :yarr
I'm thinking we should temporarily rename DTF Bonerville myself.
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:rollin
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Is it ok to say I have a boner.. :yarr
I'm thinking we should temporarily rename DTF Bonerville myself.
Sounds like a plan. DTF Bonerville has a nice ring to it. :lol
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:lol
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:rollin
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I think the biggest news here is that clearly, they're skipping ahead to their 34th studio album, and will fill in the gaps later.
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:omg: ??? :eek :tup :jets:
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Woohoo! Those Facebook pictures got me to dust off my username and post for the first time in ages. Pretty excited to see how Mangini can contribute musically, especially since they've had the entire tour to jam and riff together.
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Is it ok to say I have a boner.. :yarr
For Dream Theater, always.
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Woohoo! Those Facebook pictures got me to dust off my username and post for the first time in ages. Pretty excited to see how Mangini can contribute musically, especially since they've had the entire tour to jam and riff together.
Welcome back! (by the way, are you really italian or it's just the username?)
I am sure that the experience and th chemistry they have built jam anfter jam, soundcheck after soundcheck, will be a source of delightful thematic interaction between the drums and the other instruments. I wouldn't mind to see so e sections where the drums become central, as a vocal section with no James.
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Well looks like Jordan and Mike's gear is ready to go (soon), and admittedly, they probably have the most to bring in terms of sheer weight and volume, though I'm sure the Johns will bring some great gear as well! Can't wait to hear their updates on this! And let's hope they film a full studio documentary this time around!
-Marc.
So much yes!
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I remember that! Didn't he see Mangini leave the studio?
No, that one was another guy! The one I'm saying was the one that guessed that they were recording at the Cove City basing himself on the twitter pics of the studio!
Yeah, I remember that too! Ah, those were golden days... (read: frustrating days because it took them forever to reveal the drummer!) I also remember the guy who had gathered enough pieces of information to guess that Mangini is the new drummer.
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I can't believe we're here again! Another album cycle is underway! And this time, we have no new-drummer mysteries to worry about. We can just look straight ahead to the arrival of the new album, following the band's updates as this new work is created.
DTF-ers, here's to the band and the fan community as we wait and see what magic the boys will produce for album number 12. :metal
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DTF-ers, here's to the band and the fan community as we wait and see what magic the boys will produce for album number 12. :metal
:metal
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DTF-ers, here's to the band and the fan community as we wait and see what magic the boys will produce for album number 12. :metal
:metal
:2metal:
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Do I see three TC Flashbacks AND a Flashback x4 in that rack???
Hopefully this means we'll see a JP Flashback toneprint soon.
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Exciting times to be sure!
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DTF-ers, here's to the band and the fan community as we wait and see what magic the boys will produce for album number 12. :metal
:metal
:2metal:
:omg: Double horn!!!(https://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/hand-gestures/heavy-metal-hand-gesture-smiley-emoticon.gif)
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Is it ok to say I have a boner.. :yarr
I got one to and without the pill :laugh: That's right youngsters, we foggies still have S**.
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These were my best pants.
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DTF-ers, here's to the band and the fan community as we wait and see what magic the boys will produce for album number 12. :metal
:metal
:2metal:
:omg: Double horn!!!(https://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/hand-gestures/heavy-metal-hand-gesture-smiley-emoticon.gif)
RUN! IT'S A HORN FEST! :dangerwillrobinson: :dangerwillrobinson: :dangerwillrobinson:
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The collective noun for Horns is....
A Horn SWAGGLE.... (https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/2965132440/52132b50eb1771c03cfbb492aba0b449.jpeg)
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I think the biggest news here is that clearly, they're skipping ahead to their 34th studio album, and will fill in the gaps later.
I was thinking they would skip ahead to the 33rd and a third album, leaving us wondering where the other 18 albums went.
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Update from Jordan...
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/71515_10151876947337524_708009482_n.jpg)
He posted on FB that the rig is being added to and tweaked. :yarr
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:omg:
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The Harpejji and the Continuum ready to rock. :metal Really looking forward to this. And oh my gosh, how much would I like to get to play with Jordan's rig... :rollin
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And oh my gosh, how much would I like to get to play with Jordan's rig... :rollin
Kinky.
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Honestly it's a bit silly that we have two threads dealing with the exact same thing :D
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Yesh. Where is hef when we need him? :D
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Update from Jordan...
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/71515_10151876947337524_708009482_n.jpg)
He posted on FB that the rig is being added to and tweaked. :yarr
Is that a microphone in the back of his Kurzweil or Johnny Number 5?
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Yesh. Where is hef when we need him? :D
(https://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/Prog_Snob/hugh-hefner_2440497b_zpsc07be7c5.jpg)
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:rollin :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rollin
I was waiting for this picture to show up one of these days. Now, if someone photoshopped THE REAL HEF in there... ::)
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Zydar, where are you? :lol
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Zydar, where are you? :lol
Am I doinitrite?
(https://i.imgur.com/WTisM.jpg)
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Zydar, where are you? :lol
Am I doinitrite?
(https://i.imgur.com/WTisM.jpg)
:lol Brilliant!
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OK for reals:
(https://i.imgur.com/5fjE4.jpg)
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:hefdaddy
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What's the Playboy man's name? Jeremy? :angel:
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:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
(even more appropriate considering the code for that emote :biggrin:)
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Zydar, where are you? :lol
Am I doinitrite?
(https://i.imgur.com/WTisM.jpg)
I KNEW you were going to do that!
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(https://i.imgur.com/WTisM.jpg)
Hef and Hef! :lol
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Update from Jordan...
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/71515_10151876947337524_708009482_n.jpg)
He posted on FB that the rig is being added to and tweaked. :yarr
I thought JR needs only his ipad for the new record but it seems that he can still play keyboards too. ;)
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Oh my dear sweet Lord.
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Oh my dear sweet Lord.
Jon?
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Oh my dear sweet Lord.
Jon?
Not now...
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Oh my dear sweet Lord.
Sorry hef.
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Oh my dear sweet Lord.
Jon?
Not now...
You guys are terrible. :rollin
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These boards have entered the state where literaly any page could become the most amazing forum page of the internet :D
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These boards have entered the state where literaly any page could become the most amazing forum page of the internet :D
It happened before ADTOE was out as well. :biggrin:
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Dream Theater Forums: Literally any page can become the best forum page on the internet.
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These boards have entered the state where literaly any page could become the most amazing forum page of the internet :D
Today's posts are brought to you by the letters P & S and the numbers 6 & 9.
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These boards have entered the state where literaly any page could become the most amazing forum page of the internet :D
Today's posts are brought to you by the letters D & T and the numbers 5 & 8.
Fixed for Dream Theater Forums.
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It is pretty true.
Any page could have the album title revealed or which hand Mangini uses to wipe his ass. The possibilities are endless!
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It is pretty true.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_2580_1354723208.jpg)
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Zy, you made my night with that shoop.
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I don't post here much anymore, but I'm extremely excited :tup
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These boards have entered the state where literaly any page could become the most amazing forum page of the internet :D
Today's posts are brought to you by the letters D & T and the numbers 5 & 8.
Fixed for Dream Theater Forums.
As I read your adaptation I was belching in 5/8 time.
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JLB just announced on FB that they're going into the studio tomorrow. It was fun seeing some forum names in the comments section, including our very own Splent.
Edit: And lonestar!
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JLB just announced on FB that they're going into the studio tomorrow. It was fun seeing some forum names in the comments section, including our very own Splent.
Edit: And lonestar!
Me too :biggrin:
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Unless I'm looking at that picture wrong, does it appear that JP is breaking out the.... TRIAXIS????
YES!!!!
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(https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/filipic/dtfcomment_zpsf74535df.jpg)
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Awesome!
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Came here to post that you were acknowledged. :lol
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Came here to post that you were acknowledged. :lol
Oh..... yes, someone liked my comment. Must have been you. Hai! :lol
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Just saw that post too!!! Hard to believe that time is already here! It's pretty surreal!
-Marc.
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I commented too! :metal :yarr
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Dammit we need to make a point of spamming their statuses with comments and liking each other's comments like the kids we are :lol
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It is pretty true.
Any page could have the album title revealed or which hand Mangini uses to wipe his ass. The possibilities are endless!
In an interview I read on the internet it said that he can use either hand or either foot. The new album is called "either hand or foot" which makes this post pretty much the end of all posts. There are none more awsum.
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Dammit we need to make a point of spamming their statuses with comments and liking each other's comments like the kids we are :lol
FB FLASHMOOOOOOOOOOOOB!!!! :metal
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(https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/filipic/dtfcomment_zpsf74535df.jpg)
HAHA. THATS AWESOME !!!!!
I didn't know Labrie could beatbox.
:coolio
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Hey he can rap.
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"James LaBrie @Piratecjs
In the studio and all is great."
https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/289083955808980993
:metal
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So.... may we assume that they've actually started recording or is this now some kind of rehearsing and testing the sounds?!
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These boards have entered the state where literaly any page could become the most amazing forum page of the internet :D
The frog in the well, man... The frog in the well. ;)
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They're still probably like ''So... What did everyone do during the break?'' Except that John Myung is definitely playing bass.
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They're still probably like ''So... What did everyone do during the break?'' Except that John Myung is definitely playing bass.
I was about to say something similar like: MM is probably still building his kit. :lol
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So.... may we assume that they've actually started recording or is this now some kind of rehearsing and testing the sounds?!
I heard they were playing Truth or Dare in an attempt to get John Myung to talk more.
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Dammit we need to make a point of spamming their statuses with comments and liking each other's comments like the kids we are :jets:
Aren't we doing that already? ;) :metal :jets:
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Aren't we doing that already? ;) :metal :jets:
If we really wanted to spam we should all write "DT COME TO (random country that doesn't exist anymore, I vote the USSR)". But of course, we could always say Indonesia.
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Aren't we doing that already? ;) :metal :jets:
If we really wanted to spam we should all write "DT COME TO (random country that doesn't exist anymore, I vote the USSR)". But of course, we could always say Indonesia.
Liechtenstein! Or the Vaticans!
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They're still probably like ''So... What did everyone do during the break?'' Except that John Myung is definitely playing bass.
Kinda hard to compare as that's probably all he did during the break too...
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Aren't we doing that already? ;) :metal :jets:
If we really wanted to spam we should all write "DT COME TO (random country that doesn't exist anymore, I vote the USSR)". But of course, we could always say Indonesia.
Liechtenstein! Or the Vaticans!
Andorra!
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Aren't we doing that already? ;) :metal :jets:
If we really wanted to spam we should all write "DT COME TO (random country that doesn't exist anymore, I vote the USSR)". But of course, we could always say Indonesia.
Liechtenstein! Or the Vaticans!
Andorra!
Nauru! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru)
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Aren't we doing that already? ;) :metal :jets:
If we really wanted to spam we should all write "DT COME TO (random country that doesn't exist anymore, I vote the USSR)". But of course, we could always say Indonesia.
Liechtenstein! Or the Vaticans!
Andorra!
Nauru! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru)
:lol
DT come to Micronesia!
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Madagascar :lol
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vatican city?
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vatican city?
Already mentioned, they should play songs during mass......
Preferably Great debate and Ministry of lost souls
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I'm still wondering why DT hasn't gone to places like Congo or Sierra Leone. I've been there and they are great places. They could sell machetes and AK47s with DT logos branded on them. They'd make a fortune. Could you imagine the encore reception when they came out to finish the night with Metropolis pt1? Guns in a salute blaze throughout the entire song.
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A friend of mine was working out with Jordan at a gym 3 days ago. Gotta get in shape!
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If we really wanted to spam we should all write "DT COME TO (random country that doesn't exist anymore, I vote the USSR)". But of course, we could always say Indonesia.
Well, Alex (lat88) already posted the requisite "DT COEM TO CHILE!!1!!" :laugh:
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"DT COME TO YOUR SENSES"
:metal
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:icy:
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It'd be the opposite of America.
"Dude, I went to a Battle and a Concert broke out."
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:jets:
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A friend of mine was working out with Jordan at a gym 3 days ago. Gotta get in shape!
This would be really a WTF moment if JR walks inside the gym when I am doing my program.
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A friend of mine was working out with Jordan at a gym 3 days ago. Gotta get in shape!
This would be really a WTF moment if JR walks inside the gym when I am doing my program.
And all he does is bench press using his fingers.
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What about "COME TO PANGAEA!".
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How about
"come to the falkland islands!!!"
:|
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DT pls come to Mars play w/ mars volta & KM..
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dt plz come 2 play 2 da glass moon!!!11!1 and while ur @ it, come 2 da glass prison too!
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DT come to my back yard. I'll supply the refreshments :zydar:
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A friend of mine was working out with Jordan at a gym 3 days ago. Gotta get in shape!
This would be really a WTF moment if JR walks inside the gym when I am doing my program.
And all he does is bench press using his fingers.
:lol
I was thinking the same thing.
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DT come to my back yard. I'll supply the refreshments :zydar:
Hm... they'll never leave, so we'd better get there ASAP.
[Ahhhhhhhhhnallld]GET TO DA CHOPPA!!![/Ahhhhhhhhhnallld]
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How about
"come to the falkland islands!!!"
:|
That should be a bonus DVD to the one which is expected to come in May. Like, "Dream Theater Live in Buenos Aires and Islas Melvinas, Argentina!" And there would never again be DT shows in UK :lol
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DT come to my back yard. I'll supply the refreshments :zydar:
Hm... they'll never leave, so we'd better get there ASAP.
[Ahhhhhhhhhnallld]GET TO DA CHOPPA!!![/Ahhhhhhhhhnallld]
Now wait a minute, ma'am!
:tcot:
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Oh. Is that not how it is? Sorry. :blush
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I would never try to hurt you.
:zydar:
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:jets:
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"This is how i roll"
(https://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/car-driving/smileys-car-driving-120054.gif)
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Aren't we doing that already? ;) :metal :jets:
If we really wanted to spam we should all write "DT COME TO (random country that doesn't exist anymore, I vote the USSR)". But of course, we could always say Indonesia.
Liechtenstein! Or the Vaticans!
Andorra!
Prussia!
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Aren't we doing that already? ;) :metal :jets:
If we really wanted to spam we should all write "DT COME TO (random country that doesn't exist anymore, I vote the USSR)". But of course, we could always say Indonesia.
Liechtenstein! Or the Vaticans!
Andorra!
Prussia!
Staten Island! ;)
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If again, they don't come to Turkey I'll start to to mount campaign on the net "DT COME TO TURKEYYYYYYY". This must be my punishment for making fun of Indonesian fans. :(
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If again, they don't come to Turkey I'll start to to mount campaign on the net "DT COME TO TURKEYYYYYYY". This must be my punishment for making fun of Indonesian fans. :(
Hey, they came there for the best tour ever in 2009, what else do you want?
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It kind of creeps me out when I look through DT's page on Facebook and read the comments and their from people with names like Rodrigo Petrucci or something like that with Petrucci as their last name and then on their profile they list that they went to Berkelee and play in DT, it's just kinda creepy
Anyways.....
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My random thought: I hope this album cover is... orange-ish. Mmmm. Oranges.
To contrast ADTOE's blue. :P
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It kind of creeps me out when I look through DT's page on Facebook and read the comments and their from people with names like Rodrigo Petrucci or something like that with Petrucci as their last name and then on their profile they list that they went to Berkelee and play in DT, it's just kinda creepy
Anyways.....
And then there is you, stalking them and looking at their profile in depth to learn that information in the first place and then coming on a public forum to discuss your findings. And YOU talk about others being creepy? ;)
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Latest tweet from JR:
"Great to be back with the boys in the studio. A whole lotta fun!"
Conclusion: They're having fun.
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"Hey Jordan, what are you doing today?" "Making wizardry, AND YOU?!"
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And then there is you, stalking them and looking at their profile in depth to learn that information in the first place and then coming on a public forum to discuss your findings. And YOU talk about others being creepy? ;)
Point taken.
Apologies
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And then there is you, stalking them and looking at their profile in depth to learn that information in the first place and then coming on a public forum to discuss your findings. And YOU talk about others being creepy? ;)
Point taken.
Apologies
lol its all good, man. It was my turn to wear the Internet troll mask for a moment.
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Is it not about time we got a wee YouTube vid from Jordan? I like his wee on the road reports :metal
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Something from Noisecreep Twitter :
Noisecreep @noisecreep
We'll be posting an exclusive video interview w/ @Jcrudess about the next DREAM THEATER album tomorrow morning... stay tuned! (posted yesterday)
B.Lee
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Something from Noisecreep Twitter :
Noisecreep @noisecreep
We'll be posting an exclusive video interview w/ @Jcrudess about the next DREAM THEATER album tomorrow morning... stay tuned! (posted yesterday)
B.Lee
Hooray!!
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Something from Noisecreep Twitter :
Noisecreep @noisecreep
We'll be posting an exclusive video interview w/ @Jcrudess about the next DREAM THEATER album tomorrow morning... stay tuned! (posted yesterday)
B.Lee
Is this another Bosk press release? :p
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No. (https://twitter.com/noisecreep/status/289533289478373376)
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Morning in the US means that we'll have this within the next three hours! :yeahbaby:
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Morning in the US means that we'll have this within the next three hours! :yeahbaby:
I was hoping for when I woke up three hours ago. X_X
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What if Noisecreep operates on Venus? By their standards tomorrow morning might be as far as four months in the future :-\
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Morning in the US means that we'll have this within the next three hours! :yeahbaby:
Maybe it's finished already. :P
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Morning in the US means that we'll have this within the next three hours! :yeahbaby:
Maybe it's finished already. :P
The whole album live in one take! :metal
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Mixing this weekend, and releasing next week :P
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I love you guys :lol :heart
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No, no, interview this morning means the album is already finished : recorded, mixed, produced, covered, baconed and released. It's quicker than that. You're pretty naive, guys!
B.Lee
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:omg:
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Exactly. I got my pre-order just now. You should go out and check on your doorstep for a package.
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Wait is there really going to be an interview today? Or is it going to be like yesterday’s DVD update?
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https://www.noisecreep.com/2013/01/11/dream-theater-new-album/
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Wait is there really going to be an interview today? Or is it going to be like yesterday’s DVD update?
Noisecreep said there will be an interview. See my post above.
B.Lee
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Could somebody summarise briefly what he said for those of us stuck in the library without headphones?
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"For me, it's going to be like a rhythmic party." -- JR
I love the enthusiasm in this quote!
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He's excited, they are getting starting, he couldn't wait to let all the riffs flowing out of his mind and he is happy to have the drumkit in the studio.
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"For me, it's going to be like a rhythmic party." -- JR
I love the enthusiasm in this quote!
From what I understood -and I can be mistaken- it's JR quoting MM?
B.Lee
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The new album RAWWWWWKS!! John Myung's vocals shine through.
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"For me, it's going to be like a rhythmic party." -- JR
I love the enthusiasm in this quote!
From what I understood -and I can be mistaken- it's JR quoting MM?
B.Lee
You may be right. The Skype drop-out prior to this statement makes the quote more obscure than it needs to be. I took it that he was talking about the difference this time in the studio compared to last time. He says that while on the road, during sound checks, they would "...play some really sick, crazy, rhythmic things that would just [laughs] you know, make me smile. So coming into this, it's like, wow you know I can do all these kinda really wild things. It's going to be like a...for me, it's goin' to be like a rhythmic party...you know, so, I mean we're just getting started, so, there really isn't anything to report yet."
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Awww, happy vibes!!! :biggrin: :metal
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Dream Theater
Jordan Rudess Updates Noisecreep on the Next Dream Theater Album
https://www.noisecreep.com/2013/01/11/dream-theater-new-album/
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Thanks for the link! Sounds like JR is really excited for these sessions!
-Marc.
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I really hope they will feed us with almost regular updates in the vein of "second week over, we are shaping song #1, should be quite long" sort of things.
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I'll be happy with whatever they provide at this point. Excitey! :caffeine:
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I really hope they will feed us with almost regular updates in the vein of "second week over, we are shaping song #1, should be quite long" sort of things.
They won't, but... GOD they should. I want a studio diary.
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I really hope they will feed us with almost regular updates in the vein of "second week over, we are shaping song #1, should be quite long" sort of things.
They won't, but... GOD they should. I want a studio diary.
Yes! Exactly that! Some periodic notes shared with us fans... Nothing too spolierish, just to remind us poor ENFJs that they love us and that they have not forgot about us :mora:
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They won't, but... GOD they should. I want a studio diary.
That would be sweet.
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I assume JR didn't do his studio diary for the last album because of the mystery of the whole Mangini thing, so who knows? Maybe he'll do it this time around since that's done and over with. :D
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I assume JR didn't do his studio diary for the last album because of the mystery of the whole Mangini thing, so who knows? Maybe he'll do it this time around since that's done and over with. :D
I am hoping the same. We don't miss a beat when we have Jordan reporting.
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And I'll see YOU.......
..... on the road. :metal
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The BC&SL studio diary videos were fun to watch before the album was released and then fun to watch again after the album was released to figure out which song they were working on
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I'd like a youtube clip and some photos from the studio every now and then. This is a happy time both for the band and the fans. :smiley:
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I really hope Jordan does a bunch of updates like he did when they were recording BC&SL. That would be beyond awesome.
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The BC&SL studio diary videos were fun to watch before the album was released and then fun to watch again after the album was released to figure out which song they were working on
They're a little frustrating and embarrassing to watch post-MP though...
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Not so much of an update but, whatever......
From Chance LaBrie FB page:
My Dad got back from New York today, well yesterday now,, he said the new DT stuff is going great so far!!!
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Well there you go, we'll get our updates from Chance. ;D
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So we'll get the most interesting pieces of info if we start stalking the FB pages of their kids? :lol
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well he's the only one on my FB friends, cool guy, very funny!!!
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So we'll get the most interesting pieces of info if we start stalking the FB pages of their kids? :lol
I see restraining orders in the future for some people. :lol
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well he's the only one on my FB friends, cool guy, very funny!!!
You wanted to say he's your only FB friend?! :biggrin:
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Not so much of an update but, whatever......
From Chance LaBrie FB page:
My Dad got back from New York today, well yesterday now,, he said the new DT stuff is going great so far!!!
That funny because James's uncle Ralph LaBrie is my FB friend and he said, "James just got back from New York and said the new DT stuff is going to suck! The worst since Farting Into Infinity!!!"
Come to think of it, I don't know if Ralph is really his uncle. I don't even know how he became my FB friend.
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Sounds like a troll to me.
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I'm really psyched for this album! :caffeine:
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I see restraining orders in the future for some people. :jets:
Oh yeah. :jets:
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I tweeted James LaBrie : What with the new DT album - Your Solo Album and the Live DVD...2013 is going to be.....LaBrilliant !!! ;)
He replied : For Sure ! There's lots of awesome new music coming your way that's gonna totally rock your world !
:tup
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I tweeted James LaBrie : What with the new DT album - Your Solo Album and the Live DVD...2013 is going to be.....LaBrilliant !!! ;)
He replied : For Sure ! There's lots of awesome new music coming your way that's gonna totally rock your world !
:tup
Is it weird that I TOTALLY could hear him say, in his Canadian accent, "For Sure!"?! :rollin
-Marc.
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I tweeted James LaBrie : What with the new DT album - Your Solo Album and the Live DVD...2013 is going to be.....LaBrilliant !!! ;)
He replied : For Sure ! There's lots of awesome new music coming your way that's gonna totally rock your world !
:tup
Is it weird that I TOTALLY could hear him say, in his Canadian accent, "For Sure!"?! :rollin
-Marc.
Maybe it was more like a "Fo' shizzle!" ;D
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Are you implying that Snoop Dogg (or Lion) is going to show up on the new album? That would be a new direction for them to be certain :lol
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I tweeted James LaBrie : What with the new DT album - Your Solo Album and the Live DVD...2013 is going to be.....LaBrilliant !!! ;)
He replied : For Sure ! There's lots of awesome new music coming your way that's gonna totally rock your world !
:tup
Is it weird that I TOTALLY could hear him say, in his Canadian accent, "For Sure!"?! :rollin
-Marc.
Oh Marc... :jets:
Nice that James responded to you, Kotow. :tup
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I tweeted James LaBrie : What with the new DT album - Your Solo Album and the Live DVD...2013 is going to be.....LaBrilliant !!! ;)
He replied : For Sure ! There's lots of awesome new music coming your way that's gonna totally rock your world !
:tup
Is it weird that I TOTALLY could hear him say, in his Canadian accent, "For Sure!"?! :rollin
-Marc.
Oh Marc... :jets:
Nice that James responded to you, Kotow. :tup
LaBrilliant :rollin
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:rollin
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I tweeted James LaBrie : What with the new DT album - Your Solo Album and the Live DVD...2013 is going to be.....LaBrilliant !!! ;)
He replied : For Sure ! There's lots of awesome new music coming your way that's gonna totally rock your world !
:tup
Is it weird that I TOTALLY could hear him say, in his Canadian accent, "For Sure!"?! :rollin
But.... Canadian's don't have accents!?1? :-\
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Oh - of course they do...
When they change the prices they need all the little stamps.
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John Petrucci presents... Mt. Boogie:
(https://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/ResultsMayVary10/MtBoogie_zps6e160a6e.jpg)
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Saw that after I woke up today. :2metal:
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John Petrucci presents... Mt. Boogie:
(https://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/ResultsMayVary10/MtBoogie_zps6e160a6e.jpg)
Guess you could say this album will be...
A piece of cake?
-Marc.
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John Petrucci presents... Mt. Boogie:
(https://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/ResultsMayVary10/MtBoogie_zps6e160a6e.jpg)
Guess you could say this album will be...
A piece of cake?
-Marc.
Just busted up laughing at work. :rollin
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John Petrucci presents... Mt. Boogie:
(https://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/ResultsMayVary10/MtBoogie_zps6e160a6e.jpg)
Guess you could say this album will be...
A piece of cake?
-Marc.
I posted this in the other twelfth album thread:
"So, how's the new album going to sound?"
"Dark, tasty, and really good."
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this thread is making DTF moist
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:jets: :blush
:ontome:
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*slosh slosh slosh* awww man I stepped in DT.
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Having a more prominent drum mix will be the icing on the cake.
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John Petrucci shared Dream Theater's photo.
Tubes!!
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/484795_10151197302467181_814369959_n.jpg)
-Marc.
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John Petrucci shared Dream Theater's photo.
Tubes!!
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/484795_10151197302467181_814369959_n.jpg)
-Marc.
TUBES!! Even harmonics! Such a cool application to obsolete technology! :caffeine:
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I'm not sure why I never opened this thread before. But the title has said "Two weeks till DT are in the studio again" for two weeks now, and I was wondering what the hell was going on. It was like I was stuck in a time loop or something.
Update from Jordan...
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/71515_10151876947337524_708009482_n.jpg)
He posted on FB that the rig is being added to and tweaked. :yarr
Is that a microphone in the back of his Kurzweil or Johnny Number 5?
I don't think anyone answered this question. The Kurzweil is on a triple keyboard stand, but the middle and upper racks are currently unoccupied. The thing that kinda looks like a microphone is one arm of the empty top rack; the other arm is all but obscured by the Instagram effects. In the back is another triple, with a Nord (red) on the bottom and a MiniMoog on top.
You can adjust the angle of the middle and upper racks, and that's a hell of a tilt on the top rack, but in the case of the MiniMoog, he has to be able to get to the knobs as well.
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I'm not sure if they were linked here or not, but here are other Twitter pics from JR of his rig:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_84dKLCQAEbkHj.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_84RRXCUAAG7wr.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_34dH4CIAAKYhy.jpg:large)
-Marc.
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What is that big thing that looks like a huge, square slide guitar?
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I expect we'll find out when JR starts uploading videos of it filmed on his iPhone in portrait orientation and with some awful FX on :laugh:
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What is that big thing that looks like a huge, square slide guitar?
That's a Harpejji
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*slosh slosh slosh* awww man I stepped in DT.
:jets: :rollin :jets:
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Did he use the Harpejji on the last album? I don't even know what that thing sounds like.
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(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/304293_10151198537807181_194567972_n.jpg)
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Looking good!
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:corn
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Exactly what I expected, it's all just the same color this time around. :lol
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BOIOIOIOIOIOING :coolio
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So excited. I can't wait for MM to have an input and see how it adds to the writing process. I think this is the most excited I've been for a new DT album since 8V.
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Looks like there's a small keyboard with Mangini's drums! I wonder if he's offering musical input on the harmonic and/or melodic way?! Let's hope so! I'd LOVE to see his name on the music credits!
Also, who else here hopes there's an instrumental on the next album? It's been 4 albums since an instrumental, and from the way JR is speaking, they're churning out riff after riff, so I'm hoping for a riff-tastic instrumental this time around, filled with tons of crazy meter changes and polyrhythms (like TDOE and SOC had a kid with ADD).
-Marc.
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Looks like there's a small keyboard with Mangini's drums! I wonder if he's offering musical input on the harmonic and/or melodic way?! Let's hope so! I'd LOVE to see his name on the music credits!
Also, who else here hopes there's an instrumental on the next album? It's been 4 albums since an instrumental, and from the way JR is speaking, they're churning out riff after riff, so I'm hoping for a riff-tastic instrumental this time around, filled with tons of crazy meter changes and polyrhythms (like TDOE and SOC had a kid with ADD).
-Marc.
Took me a while to figure out what song ADD was.
Yes, I know it's not a song.
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(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/304293_10151198537807181_194567972_n.jpg)
SCHWING!!!! :drool: :caffeine:
I'd SCHWING properly if I had, liek, the body part for it and stuff.
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Oh, what a nice battle station we have! :azn:
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:jets:
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Ah, so THAT'S where the weapons of mass destruction are hiding. Someone call Hans Blix.
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Anyway, wasn't the little keyboard there last time too? All the drum triggered samples must come from some place :biggrin:
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(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/304293_10151198537807181_194567972_n.jpg)
(https://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn431/Moriel_Alcaril/582322_364741953623417_146425885_n.jpg)
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We need a picture od LaBrie's microphone. Right now.
;D
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Anyway, wasn't the little keyboard there last time too? All the drum triggered samples must come from some place :biggrin:
I can't remember if it was there last time but I'm 99% sure the samples don't come from that. It looks like an MAudio Oxygen series midi controller which itself has no sounds built in.
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2012
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2013
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/304293_10151198537807181_194567972_n.jpg)
I think he had a pad for the triggerd stuff but i'm not sure.
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Anyway, wasn't the little keyboard there last time too? All the drum triggered samples must come from some place :biggrin:
I can't remember if it was there last time but I'm 99% sure the samples don't come from that. It looks like an MAudio Oxygen series midi controller which itself has no sounds built in.
Oh. So what do you think it's controlling?
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/270833_10151198969402181_650787433_n.jpg)
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Anyway, wasn't the little keyboard there last time too? All the drum triggered samples must come from some place :biggrin:
I can't remember if it was there last time but I'm 99% sure the samples don't come from that. It looks like an MAudio Oxygen series midi controller which itself has no sounds built in.
Oh. So what do you think it's controlling?
The internet..........or the drum triggers on Images & Words
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Anyway, wasn't the little keyboard there last time too? All the drum triggered samples must come from some place :biggrin:
I can't remember if it was there last time but I'm 99% sure the samples don't come from that. It looks like an MAudio Oxygen series midi controller which itself has no sounds built in.
Oh. So what do you think it's controlling?
The internet..........or the drum triggers on Images & Words
I thought Zombie David Prater in his endless chase for MP :lol
Anyway, can a musician explain what is that Taurus Moog (and why it is special, if it is at all)? I'm curious :)
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2012
(https://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/465507_320604017988363_1402922781_o.jpg)
Had to save this pic, sorry :hefdaddy
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Ah, so THAT'S where the weapons of mass destruction are hiding. Someone call Hans Blix.
"Fuk U Hans Brix!"
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/270833_10151198969402181_650787433_n.jpg)
BASS PEDALS! Now this is TOTALLY going to be a proggy record! :rollin
-Marc.
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He's been using them for ages ( on stage too ) .
Troy Sanders even used one on Crack The Skye LP
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Anyway, can a musician explain what is that Taurus Moog (and why it is special, if it is at all)? I'm curious :)
Taurus bass pedals started off as exactly that, back in the 70's. They drove a small Moog synthesizer dedicated to playing bass, usually so someone whose hands are otherwise occupied could play a bass line. It didn't take long for bands to figure out that they didn't just have to be used for bass notes. Synth lines or strings, for example, could also be added pretty easily. Rush uses them a lot, since there's only three of them. There's an awesome moment during Xanadu when I'm pretty sure both Alex and Geddy are playing pedals, while Alex plays the guitar solo and Geddy plays the rhythm guitar part (they both played doublenecks back then).
(https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsgf9lZXKX1r3ki9ko1_400.jpg)
I haven't seen a Taurus in years and didn't even realize that they're still around, but it looks like they've evolved quite nicely. Now I want one.
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I love that an alternate title for the St Louis '80 Rush bootleg is Taurus Pedals From Hell.
That is a great sounding bootleg.
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Modified the thread title, since the "two weeks til" part is a little outdated now.
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Rudess tweeted this on Tuesday:
My ears were filled with inspiration in NYC this evening while at a listening party for Steven Wilson's new album!
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Rudess tweeted this on Tuesday:
My ears were filled with inspiration in NYC this evening while at a listening party for Steven Wilson's new album!
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I can see him sneaking in the toilet every fifteen minutes to record his ideas with his ipad, making the other guests think he suffered from prostatitis :lol
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Ahh i can see it now:
The Raven that Refused Inner Turbulence Pt. 1: Notes on a Blank Planet
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Ahh i can see it now:
The Raven that Refused Inner Turbulence Pt. 1: Notes on a Blank Planet
That sounds like the most artsy and overindulgent Prog Metal song in existence. ... Also sounds like something that DT really needs to make!
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Ahh i can see it now:
The Raven that Refused Inner Turbulence Pt. 1: Notes on a Blank Planet
That sounds like the most artsy and overindulgent Prog Metal song in existence. ... Also sounds like something that DT really needs to make!
Yes indeed. :lol
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Ahh i can see it now:
The Raven that Refused Inner Turbulence Pt. 1: Notes on a Blank Planet
That sounds like the most artsy and overindulgent Prog Metal song in existence. ... Also sounds like something that DT really needs to make!
Yes indeed. :lol
I. WANT. THIS.
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It will be one track and they'll all stand around a microphone and IMAGINE the song for 60 minutes exactly.
And If you buy the CD and all you hear is 60 minutes of silence - well then maybe Prog is not for you.
p.s. Myung will be audible on this CD.
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p.s. Myung will be audible on this CD.
Yes but it's just a fart the mic caught.
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So his tone on the album will be the same.
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Anyway, wasn't the little keyboard there last time too? All the drum triggered samples must come from some place :biggrin:
I can't remember if it was there last time but I'm 99% sure the samples don't come from that. It looks like an MAudio Oxygen series midi controller which itself has no sounds built in.
I'd need some Oxygen too if I was playing that set.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/270833_10151198969402181_650787433_n.jpg)
Just saw this.
YES. YES. YES. EXCITEMENT.
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It looks like the F# is broken !
Maybe James was messing around on Myung's bass and couldn't quite reach it.
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It looks like someone has taped pieces of white paper onto the keys, probably so they can see them better, and the paper on the F# is coming off. Or maybe that's how they're actually finished. But either way, it just looks like the white part is coming off.
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:-[ Ok.
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Okay, so for someone who's a total musical gear noob, what is that, exactly?
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Anyway, can a musician explain what is that Taurus Moog (and why it is special, if it is at all)? I'm curious :)
Taurus bass pedals started off as exactly that, back in the 70's. They drove a small Moog synthesizer dedicated to playing bass, usually so someone whose hands are otherwise occupied could play a bass line. It didn't take long for bands to figure out that they didn't just have to be used for bass notes. Synth lines or strings, for example, could also be added pretty easily. Rush uses them a lot, since there's only three of them. There's an awesome moment during Xanadu when I'm pretty sure both Alex and Geddy are playing pedals, while Alex plays the guitar solo and Geddy plays the rhythm guitar part (they both played doublenecks back then).
(https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsgf9lZXKX1r3ki9ko1_400.jpg)
I haven't seen a Taurus in years and didn't even realize that they're still around, but it looks like they've evolved quite nicely. Now I want one.
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Okay, so for someone who's a total musical gear noob, what is that, exactly?
Ninja'D
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Can we get pictures of the guys ?
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Dream_theater_in_1985.jpg)
:metal
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That's tape on the pedals, they don't come with white bits, I'm pretty sure.
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Yeah, I wasn't sure, since I haven't seen one in so long. I thought maybe the newer ones might or something.
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I don't know for sure, but I don't think it's tape. It looks too uniform.
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Thanks for the great explaination, Orbert! I've learned something new today, and this automatically makes it a good day :tup
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It looks like the F# is broken !
Maybe James was messing around on Myung's bass and couldn't quite reach it.
Hahaha, nice nugget there
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Glad someone caught it :P
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Glad someone caught it :P
Oh people caught it, they just didn't feel a need to point it out.
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:sadpanda:
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I totally missed it. I'd noticed the weirdness of the white tape (or whatever it is) and focused on that.
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(https://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/184698_10151199575587181_1186794321_n.jpg)
17 minutes ago, and over 1000 likes already.
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:metal
(over 1300 now)
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It seems fitting that JP has the red "Master" knob for him :lol
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Love the DT symbol on the bottom of all these pictures. it's like Dream Theater trading cards!
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It seems fitting that JP has the red "Master" knob for him :jets:
I know. :hefdaddy
Love the DT symbol on the bottom of all these pictures. it's like Dream Theater trading cards!
The Majesty watermark is just too feckin HIP - I totally agree!
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channel one (TB) is actually for trombone
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channel one (TB) is actually for trombone
I thought it was "The Balls", Mike Portnoy must be in studio.
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channel one (TB) is actually for trombone
Nah it's actually Tuba.
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even better!
(https://bookverdict.com/images/covers/9780525477174-L.jpg)
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:jets:
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Dream Theater 12 : Black Tuxedos and Silver Dining Utensils.
1.A Wonderful Evening to Remember
2.A Bite Of Cabbage
3.Waiter
4.The Shattered Hostess
5.The Best Of Wines
6.The Champagne From Tuscany.
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2.A Bite Of Cabbage
:lol
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Very nice Kotowboy. It's about time Dream Theater put out a food themed album.
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(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_-_Sandwich2_zps7532bc69.jpg)
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:jets:
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That sticker should say :
PARENTAL ADVISORY
DELICIOUS CONTENT
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Yeah, they totally dropped the ball on that one.
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That sticker should say :
PARENTAL ADVISORY
DELICIOUS CONTENT
Totally.
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I don't know for sure, but I don't think it's tape. It looks too uniform.
I'm pretty sure it's glow in the dark tape so he can see the pedals on stage when they're playing shows.
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(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_-_Sandwich2_zps7532bc69.jpg)
Two word review-
Shit sandwich.
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Two word review-
Shit sandwich.
:rollin
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Late to the party, but Moog Taurus pedals are still around?
Pinch me, I must be dreaming. :biggrin:
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You ninja'd me. But still, I KNEW.
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Looks like JR has created a third arm app for Morphwiz.
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Looks like JR has created a third arm app for Morphwiz.
Or maybe JR is the real life Ben 10?! :omg: :lol
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Is JR sporting a Nike Fuel on his wrist?
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I just figured his dick had 5 fingers.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/270833_10151198969402181_650787433_n.jpg)
Late to the party, but Moog Taurus pedals are still around?
Pinch me, I must be dreaming. :biggrin:
Yup, they launched the taurus 3 about two or three years ago, I remember my stepfather being unhappy that he couldn't quite justify getting a set.
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I just figured his dick had 5 fingers.
You stay classy, San Diego. :coolio
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Maybe a bit of a stretch, but: does the Taurus imply more lead bass playing by JM?
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With Mangini writing, we could get more stuff like the bass/drum fill section in Outcry.
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Maybe a bit of a stretch, but: does the Taurus imply more lead bass playing by JM?
Only if he can tap dance. It's a foot controller.
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Maybe a bit of a stretch, but: does the Taurus imply more lead bass playing by JM?
Only if he can tap dance. It's a foot controller.
I think what Nihil is implying is that someone else would play the pedals as the "normal" bass line while JM plays something more up front.
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Or both, that'd be amazing.
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Or both, that'd be amazing.
If more bass means increased JMX output on the musical side, we are in for a treat. :caffaine:
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Go go gadget Fuck-Yes-Myung.
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Looks like JR has created a third arm app for Morphwiz.
:lol
We could figure out the notes he is playing and we would have a REALLY short snippet for the new album.
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Go go gadget Fuck-Yes-Myung.
:jets: :2metal:
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I did mean both. That's what those bass pedals are actually made for, right? To have a sub-note, allowing the bass player to play more melodic stuff.
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I did mean both. That's what those bass pedals are actually made for, right? To have a sub-note, allowing the bass player to play more melodic stuff.
Well, typically, in a live setting, they can be used to allow the bass player to play melodic bass lines while still providing a bass tone, or for the bassist to play a double-neck guitar to play rhythm while still playing bass notes (giving the guitarist a chance to play lead or solo). Keyboardists can use it to play bass notes while both hands are doing melodic things. The possibilities are endless, but if they're present in the studio for DT12, I'm willing to bet we'll see them on stage for the tour! The question will be, though, who will use them? JMX, JP or JR?
-Marc.
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I read somewhere that Myung was using the pedals live during the chorus in BMUBMD
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I say, give one to every member of the band (except for Mike, who's got enough to do with his feet as it is.)
Can you say four-part-bass-pedal-harmony?
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Cymbals! Now I think that the only instrument missing is James :lol
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/734125_10151201773392181_491722895_n.jpg)
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Cymbals! Now I think that the only instrument missing is James :lol
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/734125_10151201773392181_491722895_n.jpg)
Anyone notice the synth just behind the ride cymbal? Maybe Mangini is coming up with little melodies or chord progressions of his own!
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Could be, or could be samples
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It's confirmed: There will be cymbals on the album.
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Mike Mangini: the only person who plays keyboards with a pair of sticks.
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It's confirmed: There will be cymbals on the album.
:lol
That's certainly good news!
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It's confirmed: There will be cymbals on the album.
So, an improvement on ADTOE then. :neverusethis:
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It's confirmed: There will be cymbals on the album.
So, an improvement on ADTOE then. :neverusethis:
Someone call Adami! :rollin
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It's confirmed: There will be cymbals on the album.
So, an improvement on ADTOE then. :neverusethis:
Someone call Adami! :rollin
:lol
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It's confirmed: There will be cymbals on the album.
So, an improvement on ADTOE then. :neverusethis:
:biggrin:
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It's confirmed: There will be cymbals on the album.
So, an improvement on ADTOE then. :neverusethis:
Dream Theater is all about breaking new ground and moving forward in ways that we do not expect.
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:lol and also:
Woah double (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI) Hi-Hat! :omg: Ahhhh mah god double Hi-Hat all the way across the sky! Sooo intense.... :dangerwillrobinson:
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I did mean both. That's what those bass pedals are actually made for, right? To have a sub-note, allowing the bass player to play more melodic stuff.
Well, typically, in a live setting, they can be used to allow the bass player to play melodic bass lines while still providing a bass tone, or for the bassist to play a double-neck guitar to play rhythm while still playing bass notes (giving the guitarist a chance to play lead or solo). Keyboardists can use it to play bass notes while both hands are doing melodic things. The possibilities are endless, but if they're present in the studio for DT12, I'm willing to bet we'll see them on stage for the tour! The question will be, though, who will use them? JMX, JP or JR?
-Marc.
I read somewhere that Myung was using the pedals live during the chorus in BMUBMD
Yeah, the Taurus was in studio for the last album and was on stage with JMX too. He was using it for some super low end mainly on the new stuff but also incorporating it into older tunes too.
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Cymbals! Now I think that the only instrument missing is James :lol
I think the only person who would want to use James as an instrument is Mrs. LaBrie. ;) Well, maybe some of the female personnel here, but other than that...
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Cymbals! Now I think that the only instrument missing is James :lol
I think the only person who would want to use James as an instrument is Mrs. LaBrie. ;) Well, maybe some of the female personnel here, but other than that...
I'm afraid that you are conceptually wrong here :lol
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Cymbals! Now I think that the only instrument missing is James :lol
I think the only person who would want to use James as an instrument is Mrs. LaBrie. ;) Well, maybe some of the male & female personnel here, but other than that...
I'm afraid that you are conceptually wrong here :lol
FIXED! ;)
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Didn't see this one posted here yet...
Looks like Jordan is playing a G#/Ab with his left hand...so somewhere, on the album, in some song, at some point, there will be a keyboard bass note in G#/Ab...
-Marc.
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I wonder if this will end up on the album? ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afgdoZ4hz2Q
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(https://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws.com/990520f4629211e2a61722000a1f9d6d_7.jpg)
Didn't see this one posted here yet...
Looks like Jordan is playing a G#/Ab with his left hand...so somewhere, on the album, in some song, at some point, there will be a keyboard bass note in G#/Ab...
-Marc.
I... I... I don't know what to say. I had high expectations for this album but this honestly made me rethink them? I mean, who does he think he is? :omg:
Seriously, I wouldn't have thought that Jordan would go this far. A low Ab/G#? Yeah, sorry, but that's one buyer less. :millahhhh
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Not so fast. We know that Jordan splits the keyboards and typically plays a different keyboard part in each hand. He's probably playing a sustained string line or something with his left hand, while his right hand moves so fast that it cannot be captured on film.
I've never heard keyboard bass on a DT album, and while that doesn't necessarily preclude it from this album, it would be out of character. Plus, we know that there's a set of Taurus pedals for that kind of thing. He's just doing his regular Jordan thing.
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I wonder if this will end up on the album? ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afgdoZ4hz2Q
With Mike's habenero pepper affinity, it very well may be. :lol
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I was bummed the end of ADTOE didn't end with some sort of sound effect that could tie it in with the next album. :/
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I was bummed the end of ADTOE didn't end with some sort of sound effect that could tie it in with the next album. :/
I liked the idea, but I agree with the band that they should allow each album to be it's own thing. Or something.
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Plus they finished with that idea three albums ago...
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Interesting tidbit. I posted a comment/question on Chyucki's facebook sometime last week. I asked if he was recording DT? And a few mins ago he liked my comment. Dont know if it really means what I think but it could be interesting if Richard records DT this time around and not use Northfield
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Hmm, I do wonder if they are working with Northfield again.
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Interesting tidbit. I posted a comment/question on Chyucki's facebook sometime last week. I asked if he was recording DT? And a few mins ago he liked my comment. Dont know if it really means what I think but it could be interesting if Richard records DT this time around and not use Northfield
Maybe it is time to make a change ;)
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Maybe it is time to make a change ;)
Yes, I think it's time for a change.
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Are we closer than before?
Closer to a release date, yes.
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When I saw DT in Manc in '93, JM was using bass pedals then.
Also, I'm pretty certain he's using them on the Live in Tokyo vid. Makes sense since it was the same tour.
If I recall, they're quite noticable on A Fortune In Lies.
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Didn't he use them on the last album/tour too?
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Pretty sure. I thought it was common knowledge he used them. I dunno how long he's been using them live but I've seen them in his pedalboard for a while I think ?
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Looks like Jordan is playing a G#/Ab with his left hand...so somewhere, on the album, in some song, at some point, there will be a keyboard bass note in G#/Ab...
But what if he used the transpose setting on the keyboard and the note isn't a G#/Ab? :neverusethis:
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Looks like Jordan is playing a G#/Ab with his left hand...so somewhere, on the album, in some song, at some point, there will be a keyboard bass note in G#/Ab...
But what if he used the transpose setting on the keyboard and the note isn't a G#/Ab? :neverusethis:
Dammit we don't know ANYTHING! :lol
I say they should switch to video snippets. Who's with me?
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Looks like Jordan is playing a G#/Ab with his left hand...so somewhere, on the album, in some song, at some point, there will be a keyboard bass note in G#/Ab...
But what if he used the transpose setting on the keyboard and the note isn't a G#/Ab? :neverusethis:
Dammit we don't know ANYTHING! :lol
I say they should switch to video snippets. Who's with me?
Me and I think 10000 others ;)
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Looks like Jordan is playing a G#/Ab with his left hand...so somewhere, on the album, in some song, at some point, there will be a keyboard bass note in G#/Ab...
But what if he used the transpose setting on the keyboard and the note isn't a G#/Ab? :neverusethis:
Jordan doesn't use any transposing settings. It messes with his sense of pitch. He has only done it once, either on Panic Attack or These Walls, I can't remember which one.
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I'm completely out of the loop, have they entered the studio already? If not, when will they do it? When will we see the new album?
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I'm completely out of the loop, have they entered the studio already? If not, when will they do it? When will we see the new album?
Yep, they're in the studio now. Too early for any word on a release date, although I'd guess mid to late 3rd quarter of the year?
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Oh ok, sounds good I suppose.
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I'm completely out of the loop, have they entered the studio already? If not, when will they do it? When will we see the new album?
Yep, they're in the studio now. Too early for any word on a release date, although I'd guess mid to late 3rd quarter of the year?
This is assuming that their schedule is roughly the same as last time with ADTOE. And so far, it seems about the same. I figure they will finish recording the bulk of the album's parts by month's end, then spend another month or so mixing and doing post-production/over-dubs/re-trackings/etc., then between April and August, go on to mastering and readying the album for release. I suspect by May/June, we'll get the first single, that way the band can go out and do Festivals and mini-tours before the album's release (as they have before), play one or two new songs, then release the album in August/Sept, then do a proper album-tour in the fall/winter.
I honestly don't expect to hear ANY music until summer, with a single release, and I'd be surprised if the album comes out anytime before August. I'm a patient fan, though, because there's tons of new music out NOW and in the coming months to satisfy my need for new albums this year!
-Marc.
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Jordan doesn't use any transposing settings. It messes with his sense of pitch. He has only done it once, either on Panic Attack or These Walls, I can't remember which one.
Well, I was just joking and it's QUITE possible that we will hear a G# on the new album! :lol Hadn't heard about him never transposing, though - I guess out of those 2 songs it has to be Panic Attack, as These Walls is in A minor and pretty easy to play even without transposing.
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I'm completely out of the loop, have they entered the studio already? If not, when will they do it? When will we see the new album?
Yep, they're in the studio now. Too early for any word on a release date, although I'd guess mid to late 3rd quarter of the year?
This is assuming that their schedule is roughly the same as last time with ADTOE. And so far, it seems about the same. I figure they will finish recording the bulk of the album's parts by month's end, then spend another month or so mixing and doing post-production/over-dubs/re-trackings/etc., then between April and August, go on to mastering and readying the album for release. I suspect by May/June, we'll get the first single, that way the band can go out and do Festivals and mini-tours before the album's release (as they have before), play one or two new songs, then release the album in August/Sept, then do a proper album-tour in the fall/winter.
I honestly don't expect to hear ANY music until summer, with a single release, and I'd be surprised if the album comes out anytime before August. I'm a patient fan, though, because there's tons of new music out NOW and in the coming months to satisfy my need for new albums this year!
-Marc.
Just a rough guess based on how long it usually is from entering the studio till releasing the album, but yeah, I was thinking around Aug / Sep. I don't think their studio routine has changed much on recent albums, so I don't expect a huge shakeup there.
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They are going to silently release the album in April, WHEN YOU LEAST EXPECT IT!!
:neverusethis:
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They are going to silently release the album in April, WHEN YOU LEAST EXPECT IT!!
:neverusethis:
That would be a quicker turn-around than Neal Morse!!!
(Which is hilarious, because he recorded Testimony 2 during late December 2010, then released it in May, about 6 months later!).
-Marc.
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Looks like Jordan is playing a G#/Ab with his left hand...so somewhere, on the album, in some song, at some point, there will be a keyboard bass note in G#/Ab...
But what if he used the transpose setting on the keyboard and the note isn't a G#/Ab? :neverusethis:
Dammit we don't know ANYTHING! :lol
I say they should switch to video snippets. Who's with me?
Me and I think 10000 others ;)
Yes, the pics on FB just seem like a show off to satisfy the companies they're endorsing. Video snippets like Gojira did them for the latest relase with maybe only a minute of guitar shredding or drum nailing will make us all more curious....
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I'd love to see some guitars without their G-string. :P
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You perv, you.
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Hey! I resemble that remark.
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:zydar:
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I'm completely out of the loop, have they entered the studio already? If not, when will they do it? When will we see the new album?
Yep, they're in the studio now. Too early for any word on a release date, although I'd guess mid to late 3rd quarter of the year?
I would imagine the same schedule as ADToE ?
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Hey! I resemble that remark.
I bet you do. :zydarscouch:
For the record, I completely agree. The thought of some skanky guitars without their g-strings does unspeakable things to my drumstick, if you catch my drift. :eyebrows:
Too much?
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Hey! I resemble that remark.
I bet you do. :zydarscouch:
For the record, I completely agree. The thought of some skanky guitars without their g-strings does unspeakable things to my drumstick, if you catch my drift. :eyebrows:
Too much?
Never Enough. ;)
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Hey! I resemble that remark.
I bet you do. :zydarscouch:
For the record, I completely agree. The thought of some skanky guitars without their g-strings does unspeakable things to my drumstick, if you catch my drift. :eyebrows:
Too much?
Never Enough. ;)
A Rite Of Passage.
And there's nothing RITE about THAT passage...
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A Right To Massage :zydar:
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Hahahaha :rollin, This last half of this page has been gold :lol
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That's gold, Jerry. Gold!
(https://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/Prog_Snob/bania_zps530495b1.jpg)
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The Glass...yeah I'm not touching that with a bargepole.
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Plus they finished with that idea three albums ago...
They did it with BCASL and ADTOE.
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Plus they finished with that idea three albums ago...
They did it with BCASL and ADTOE.
Common misconception. The sounds at the beginning of OTBOA are SIMILAR, but definitely NOT THE SAME as the nature-y sound effects at the end of TCOT. I think many fans wanted to hear that, but I think it was important for the band to not have those links between albums any more as they were starting a new chapter in their career. The links from SFAM-SDOIT-TOT-8VM were, most likely, Portnoy's ideas, and it creates a great run of 4 albums that, with the addition of SC and BC&SL, captures a solid 6-album run of albums from the same line-up, the most any line-up of Dream Theater has created, and HALF of the band's studio discography.
-Marc.
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James LaBrie was tagged in Stephen van Baalen's photo
(https://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64990_4811679527481_768581403_n.jpg)
I have to conclude that is SteveTheater?
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I believe so
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Yes, that is our resident artist. Found this one on his websit too. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Damn they should write that man a cheque!
(https://www.steve-art.net/uploads/4/4/5/9/4459616/4971307_orig.jpg)
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Plus they finished with that idea three albums ago...
They did it with BCASL and ADTOE.
Common misconception. The sounds at the beginning of OTBOA are SIMILAR, but definitely NOT THE SAME as the nature-y sound effects at the end of TCOT. I think many fans wanted to hear that, but I think it was important for the band to not have those links between albums any more as they were starting a new chapter in their career. The links from SFAM-SDOIT-TOT-8VM were, most likely, Portnoy's ideas, and it creates a great run of 4 albums that, with the addition of BC&Sl, captures a solid 5-album run of albums from the same line-up, the most any line-up of Dream Theater has created!
-Marc.
No. It's the same sound, but slowed down. Listen again.
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Doubtful, since Jordan has gone on the record (during a Vokle Chat), that the beginning of OTBOA was taken from his own MorphWiz app, which, AFAIK, didn't exist during the recording of BC&SL.
Also, there was this discussion here a year and a half ago:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=24405.0
-Marc.
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Those two album arts look phenomenal. :tup
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Plus they finished with that idea three albums ago...
They did it with BCASL and ADTOE.
Common misconception. The sounds at the beginning of OTBOA are SIMILAR, but definitely NOT THE SAME as the nature-y sound effects at the end of TCOT. I think many fans wanted to hear that, but I think it was important for the band to not have those links between albums any more as they were starting a new chapter in their career. The links from SFAM-SDOIT-TOT-8VM were, most likely, Portnoy's ideas, and it creates a great run of 4 albums that, with the addition of BC&Sl, captures a solid 5-album run of albums from the same line-up, the most any line-up of Dream Theater has created!
-Marc.
No. It's the same sound, but slowed down. Listen again.
That's already been proven false.
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That's already been proven false.
Just listened again, and yes - FALSE. The sound effects at the end of TCOT are (or meant to sound like) nature sounds, like a marsh or lake or bog or swamp, with birds and frogs all around, water waves splashing on a shore, etc. etc.
Then I played the Keyboard Stem for OTBOA (so GLAD I got those), and it's definitely MorphWiz sound effects, not nature-y at all. It sounds like synth sounds with weird unintelligible vocals as weird samples, with some interesting looping effects thrown in.
-Marc.
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Are we closer than before?
Closer to a release date, yes.
Not if the release date is pushed one day forward every day. :3
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Are we closer than before?
Closer to a release date, yes.
Not if the release date is pushed one day forward every day. :3
Like the Luna Park DVD/Blu-ray???
-Marc.
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That's already been proven false.
Just listened again, and yes - FALSE. The sound effects at the end of TCOT are (or meant to sound like) nature sounds, like a marsh or lake or bog or swamp, with birds and frogs all around, water waves splashing on a shore, etc. etc.
Then I played the Keyboard Stem for OTBOA (so GLAD I got those), and it's definitely MorphWiz sound effects, not nature-y at all. It sounds like synth sounds with weird unintelligible vocals as weird samples, with some interesting looping effects thrown in.
-Marc.
Well it doesn't make sense to me why they would use something that sounds similar instead of just using the actual thing.
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Stevetheater's picture is quite amazing.
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Maybe they're not MEANT to be the same thing ? ::)
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That's already been proven false.
Just listened again, and yes - FALSE. The sound effects at the end of TCOT are (or meant to sound like) nature sounds, like a marsh or lake or bog or swamp, with birds and frogs all around, water waves splashing on a shore, etc. etc.
Then I played the Keyboard Stem for OTBOA (so GLAD I got those), and it's definitely MorphWiz sound effects, not nature-y at all. It sounds like synth sounds with weird unintelligible vocals as weird samples, with some interesting looping effects thrown in.
-Marc.
Well it doesn't make sense to me why they would use something that sounds similar instead of just using the actual thing.
Whichever one you are referring to, it's because the band uses samples ALL the time. I'm pretty sure each album has a song with samples of SOMETHING in it, whether it's vocals, sound effects, noises, or other things that cannot be created in the studio with instruments. I mean, the scream in "Finally Free" that Victoria does is a well-known scream sample. Makes sense to me - sometimes they go with whatever sounds right to them, and who am I/are we to argue what they think sounds right at the time for their music?
-Marc.
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Lol generic thunderclap in ANTR
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Lol generic thunderclap in ANTR
This generated a thought in my head. The beginning of ANTR always reminded me of the song Black Sabbath, and ironically TGP also has the bells.
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Made it safely to NY. Can't wait to get to fabulously fun kit tomorrow !
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Made it safely to NY. Can't wait to get to fabulously fun kit tomorrow !
Why is it, when he writes more than two words, I melt.
WE WANT TO SEE SOME OF THAT. PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
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Today I rewatched the TSCO-Docu after almost a year and he was so sweet there, when speaking of his wish to get into the band, not just as a gig, but as a stable home. He is a magnificent human being.
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Today I rewatched the TSCO-Docu after almost a year and he was so sweet there, when speaking of his wish to get into the band, not just as a gig, but as a stable home. He is a magnificent human being.
This. He's almost as fabulous as me.
c:
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Today I rewatched the TSCO-Docu after almost a year and he was so sweet there, when speaking of his wish to get into the band, not just as a gig, but as a stable home. He is a magnificent human being.
When I was still re-evaluating how I felt about Mangini in the band, I came to the conclusion he is a beast of a drummer, but I knew DT wouldn't select anyone inept anyway - I needed some proof that he'd be just as committed and bound to the band as MP was before he left. And then I found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DpsTNDufUg and my confidence solidified. You just know he means it, when he says it.
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Today I rewatched the TSCO-Docu after almost a year and he was so sweet there, when speaking of his wish to get into the band, not just as a gig, but as a stable home. He is a magnificent human being.
When I was still re-evaluating how I felt about Mangini in the band, I came to the conclusion he is a beast of a drummer, but I knew DT wouldn't select anyone inept anyway - I needed some proof that he'd be just as committed and bound to the band as MP was before he left. And then I found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DpsTNDufUg and my confidence solidified. You just know he means it, when he says it.
Yes, that video definitely speaks the ultimate truth about him. I'm so glad he's in the band :)
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James LaBrie was tagged in Stephen van Baalen's photo
(https://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64990_4811679527481_768581403_n.jpg)
I have to conclude that is SteveTheater?
;D Yes Guilty!
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Stevetheater's picture is quite amazing.
They always are. :D
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Today I rewatched the TSCO-Docu after almost a year and he was so sweet there, when speaking of his wish to get into the band, not just as a gig, but as a stable home. He is a magnificent human being.
When I was still re-evaluating how I felt about Mangini in the band, I came to the conclusion he is a beast of a drummer, but I knew DT wouldn't select anyone inept anyway - I needed some proof that he'd be just as committed and bound to the band as MP was before he left. And then I found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DpsTNDufUg and my confidence solidified. You just know he means it, when he says it.
Yes, Yes, Yes. Every day I know how much Mangini is soooo perfect for DT. I really think that DT is about heart and feel and MM just embodies this so much. I CANNOT wait for the next album!
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New pic from the studio.
B.Lee
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Was this already posted? I don't know, but these days
bring new questions it seems that being pic-redundant is fashionable :laugh:
Anyway, all hail the new, mighty, JP13!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/317096_502060766512607_2089146051_n.jpg)
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Those are different pickups than what we usually see on a John Petrucci guitar. I wonder what's up with that?
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I love the silver color :drool:
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I love the silver color :drool:
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_7076_1354406123.gif)
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Those are different pickups than what we usually see on a John Petrucci guitar. I wonder what's up with that?
I noticed that as well. I guess no Crunch Lab this time around. Hmmmmm. Maybe new signature pickups?
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Those are different pickups than what we usually see on a John Petrucci guitar. I wonder what's up with that?
I noticed that as well. I guess no Crunch Lab this time around. Hmmmmm. Maybe new signature pickups?
But I just got a Crunch Lab and a Liquifire :P. I guess that's the world of guitar gear for you. :lol
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Those are different pickups than what we usually see on a John Petrucci guitar. I wonder what's up with that?
I noticed that as well. I guess no Crunch Lab this time around. Hmmmmm. Maybe new signature pickups?
But I just got a Crunch Lab and a Liquifire :P. I guess that's the world of guitar gear for you. :lol
SO DID I! hahahahahaha :rollin
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Anyone actually got a MM JP ?
How do they feel etc ?
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Those are different pickups than what we usually see on a John Petrucci guitar. I wonder what's up with that?
I noticed that as well. I guess no Crunch Lab this time around. Hmmmmm. Maybe new signature pickups?
But I just got a Crunch Lab and a Liquifire :P. I guess that's the world of guitar gear for you. :lol
SO DID I! hahahahahaha :rollin
They sound awesome, so if there is going to be a change, I hope they sound even better.
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I love the silver color :drool:
:hefdaddy
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I love the silver color :drool:
I've actually never liked the silver. I didn't mind it 10 years ago for any 7-string song but it just doesn't do anything for me. The ones I *really* like are the BFR with the quilted wood, not the flame, but JP rarely plays those. My dream guitar that I hope to own one day is the quilted red BFR.
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James LaBrie was tagged in Stephen van Baalen's photo
(https://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64990_4811679527481_768581403_n.jpg)
I have to conclude that is SteveTheater?
;D Yes Guilty!
It's good, but it looks like the back cover of a James LaBrie album, with the side showing errie faces being the front.
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True that. Nothing says "this is a JLB album" like stock images of b actors on the cover.
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Was this already posted? I don't know, but these days bring new questions it seems that being pic-redundant is fashionable :laugh:
Anyway, all hail the new, mighty, JP13!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/317096_502060766512607_2089146051_n.jpg)
It's so nice to see this without the nasty "Ball Family Reserve" inlay at the 12th fret.
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We almost see every piece of their instruments and NOW I want to see James' microphone :neverusethis:
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I don't know anything about gear so in that aspect I'm mildly enthustiastic about the pics, but on the other hand I'm super excited about them being in the studio and posting something from it.
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I love the silver color :drool:
Most definitely. :metal
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I love the silver color :drool:
Most definitely. :metal
As long as he doesn't get a t-shirt to match it I am set :laugh:
(I know I'm repeating myself, but I do it partially because some people think it's so amusing and others think it's annoying, deal with it :rollin)
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Why no pics of the guys themselves in the studio? All we've gotten is JR's hands, and a mystery third hand.
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Why no pics of the guys themselves in the studio? All we've gotten is JR's hands, and a mystery third hand.
It's because they're the ones taking pics of each other's instruments!
-Marc.
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I was just thinking about this earlier. I think it's a cool way to build up the suspense. In the past, we've gotten videos and/or a bunch of updates on Facebook/Twitter, etc. This time, pictures of the equipment. Not much talk, no pictures of the guys, just pictures of the equipment.
And it still manages to build the excitement. Moog Taurus Pedals! Mangini's got a keyboard for something! Jordan grew a third arm!
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I was just thinking about this earlier. I think it's a cool way to build up the suspense. In the past, we've gotten videos and/or a bunch of updates on Facebook/Twitter, etc. This time, pictures of the equipment. Not much talk, no pictures of the guys, just pictures of the equipment.
And it still manages to build the excitement. Moog Taurus Pedals! Mangini's got a keyboard for something! Jordan grew a third arm!
Yeah, so it would be cool of them to actually tell us something every once in a while and see us go batshit insane with speculation :rollin
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With all these pictures floating around, I wouldn't be surprised if DT's next album has a sticker like:
DTs 12th masterpiece, sponsored by:
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Yeah, if they really try to tell us something!
Dream Theater - Mysterious Pictures
1. Taurus 24:37
2. Rhythms for Keys 6:33
3. Third Hand 5:41
4. Boogie Stack 7:59
5. G#/Ab 1:28
6. Keys, More Keys 12:41
7. ??
8. ??
...
:hat
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Why no pics of the guys themselves in the studio? All we've gotten is JR's hands, and a mystery third hand.
It's because they're the ones taking pics of each other's instruments!
-Marc.
You MIGHT want to reword that, Marc. :P :jets:
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Why no pics of the guys themselves in the studio? All we've gotten is JR's hands, and a mystery third hand.
It's because they're the ones taking pics of each other's instruments!
-Marc.
You MIGHT want to reword that, Marc. :P :jets:
Are you sure? I mean, wouldn't you want a pic of James' instrument?
-Marc.
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You REALLY do NOT want me to answer that. :xbones
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From John Petrucci's Facebook-page:
"It's amazing to see all the positive comments about the JP13. I really appreciate the support and enthusiasm. Of course I love and use all of the sig JP Music Man models we've created over the years but I have to say that the 13 is my favorite of all! It just has that "magic" thing about it. The new DiMarzio pickups, the preamp and boost, the 17" radius rosewood fretboard, the beautiful silver finish and of course the perfect neck and body design make it the ultimate guitar. I spent all day writing with the DT guys yesterday and the 13 sounded so incredible and felt so amazing that the riffs were flying out of the guitar with such ease and intensity that was so inspiring and so satisfying! Thank you Sterling for standing by the commitment you made 13 years ago which was to make tools for artists, and to not stop until we get it perfect!"
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An awesome guitar really is conducive to writing great songs.
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So there are new pickups in the guitar. More stuff to buy I guess :lol
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So there are new pickups in the guitar. More stuff to buy I guess :lol
I think I'd rather have a SUV or a station wagon than pickups in my guitar.
:hat
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You REALLY do NOT want me to answer that. :xbones
Are you Shure?
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Anyone actually got a MM JP ?
How do they feel etc ?
It was always my dream to get one and buddy did. He let me borrow it for a year or so when he stopped playing guitar completely and to tell you the truth, it wasn't for me. I didn't like the feel or the location of the switches, it just didn't feel right. That said I'm always a sucker for piezo pickups (not sure if the JP13 has them).
I'm mainly a strat guy now. . .
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When I used to play guitar, I always liked strats, too.
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You REALLY do NOT want me to answer that. :xbones
Are you Shure?
we don't want to give her a cardioid attack.
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(https://theforvm.org/files/thats-the-joke.jpg)
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A guy on our Chapel band last year had a JPX I think. I played the opening riff to Constant Motion on it and that was pretty cool.
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Yeah, if they really try to tell us something!
Dream Theater - Mysterious Pictures
1. Taurus 24:37
2. Rhythms for Keys 6:33
3. Third Hand 5:41
4. Boogie Stack 7:59
5. G#/Ab 1:28
6. Keys, More Keys 12:41
7. ??
8. ??
9. Profit.
:hat
FTFY
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Yeah, if they really try to tell us something!
Dream Theater - Mysterious Pictures
1. Taurus 24:37
2. Rhythms for Keys 6:33
3. The Third and Last Hand/The Keying Hand 5:41
4. Boogie Stack 7:59
5. G#/Ab 1:28
6. Keys, More Keys 12:41
7. ??
8. ??
9. Profits of War.
:hat
FTFY
FTFY
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The fact that DT are showing pics of their equipment, as opposed to pics of themselves does not even bother me. At least they are remembering their audience.
I know a major concern after MP left would be the communications with the fans, but thankfully post MP DT are doing more than fine in that department.
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The fact that DT are showing pics of their equipment, as opposed to pics of themselves does not even bother me. At least they are remembering their audience.
I know a major concern after MP left would be the communications with the fans, but thankfully post MP DT are doing more than fine in that department.
I'm sure this is Jordan's doing. He seems like the guy who'd be the one handling social media after MP.
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When you said social, I immediately thought it was JM.
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When you said social, I immediately thought it was JM.
Duuuh.
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When you said social, I immediately thought it was JM.
Duhhhh.
FTFY
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Oops, nevermind.
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The fact that DT are showing pics of their equipment, as opposed to pics of themselves does not even bother me. At least they are remembering their audience.
I know a major concern after MP left would be the communications with the fans, but thankfully post MP DT are doing more than fine in that department.
I beg to differ:
Hi everyone!
Obviously you've all heard the news of Mike's departure from Dream Theater by now.
I felt it important to open up a line of communication in an effort to kill any rumors and to promote clarity.
I love Mike and really hope he's happy and successful in whatever he does.
***I realize that Mike was always the one to actively stay in touch with our fans, and I just wanted to let you know that I'm going to try to be at least a bit more present on both mine and DT's websites and to let you all know that I am here.****
To me, Dream Theater's story is one of defying the odds, standing for true integrity in music and creating our own success through perseverance and hard work, so although Mike's leaving is heartbreaking, I still look forward to an amazing musical journey that continues on with some of the most talented and respected musicians and composers on the planet!
-JP
09-09-2010, 08:51 PM
This was the last time JP posted on his forum.
Yeah, but we've been getting interviews from all of them, even the "new Mike", notifications via their Facebook pages and Twitter accounts, a little on-the-road series via the official youtube channel, a lengthy end-of-year email and other random things. I feel just as well informed as I were before the split, really.
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I hope the album will make us go
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkfvw0Q55N1qbud5jo1_500.jpg)
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Hopefully some of us will NOT listen to it on our mobiles.
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You REALLY do NOT want me to answer that. :xbones
Are you Shure?
we don't want to give her a cardioid attack.
You guys! :jets: :rollin :jets:
Let's just say that at the last Austin show it involved James LaBrie and a bathroom. :blush :P
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Hopefully some of us will NOT listen to it on our mobiles.
Wait... You're telling me I've been doing it wrong this whole time?
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You REALLY do NOT want me to answer that. :xbones
Are you Shure?
we don't want to give her a cardioid attack.
You guys! :jets: :rollin :jets:
Let's just say that at the last Austin show it involved James LaBrie and a bathroom. :blush :P
Oh gosh what in the name of :lol
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I still remember at the Minneapolis show, JLB faceplanting into the audience in the first row when he fell during BITS
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Oh gosh what in the name of :jets:
I may divulge the whole story at some point in time. It's really funny.
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I still remember at the Minneapolis show, JLB faceplanting into the audience in the first row when he fell during BITS
That's what he gets for absentmindedly enjoying himself AND WALKING TOO MUCH! Be like JMX, only come to stage left once. On rollerblades.
Oh gosh what in the name of :jets:
I may divulge the whole story at some point in time. It's really funny.
Please do, I have a feeling I'd laugh like a monster :lol
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Okay so... here goes.
Since Wey is who he is and works for who he works for, we had laminates for the shows we went to on the last ADTOE leg (San Antonio, Austin and Grand Prairie/Dallas). So the Austin show was awesome, Images and Words 20th anniversary, etc. After the show, we were backstage and all of the guys except James came out for after show. After everything wound down and we were on our way out of the backstage area, I noticed an open bathroom and (thankfully) asked the security guard if I could go in real quick - he said that it was for the band and not the general public and that's when I noticed Wey and his daughter laughing their asses off because it was James's loo!
So, you better believe Wey told James ALL about it before the Grand Prairie show - James playfully acted all pissy, and I was SO embarrassed while claiming "It was an honest mistake!" :jets: :jets: :jets:
The way it all played out was just too hilarious.
Edit: OH! Almost forgot - after the Grand Prairie show James made a funny comment about meeting in the bathroom (he called it "the washroom") before we left to go back to Austin. :jets: :jets: :jets: :jets: :jets:
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Okay so... here goes.
Since Wey is who he is and works for who he works for, we had laminates for the shows we went to on the last ADTOE leg (San Antonio, Austin and Grand Prairie/Dallas). So the Austin show was awesome, Images and Words 20th anniversary, etc. After the show, we were backstage and all of the guys except James came out for after show. After everything wound down and we were on our way out of the backstage area, I noticed an open bathroom and (thankfully) asked the security guard if I could go in real quick - he said that it was for the band and not the general public and that's when I noticed Wey and his daughter laughing their asses off because it was James's loo!
So, you better believe Wey told James ALL about it before the Grand Prairie show - James playfully acted all pissy, and I was SO embarrassed while claiming "It was an honest mistake!" :jets: :jets: :jets:
The way it all played out was just too hilarious.
The bolded is the part I am confused by
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loo = British word for bathroom
If a bathroom is being used by the band, it is NOT for the general public. It's a damn good thing I didn't just walk on in there. :jets:
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Oh, I see. That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure. Running into JLB in a bathroom does kinda sound funny though
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Especially since he may or may not have been clothed at the time.
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That's the most amazing story, Debbie! Every serious DT fan should print that post and frame it! :metal
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The story delivered. Thank you :lol :lol :lol
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:blush :jets: :biggrin:
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*Walks in on JLB in the bathroom*
JLB "*F#"
(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/45347039/James+LaBrie+20090807_James_LaBrie_Dream_Th.jpg)
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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sidenote: I want to steal his Majesty ring please and thank you.
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*Walks in on JLB in the bathroom*
JLB "*F#"
:rollin :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rollin
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sidenote: I want to steal his Majesty ring please and thank you.
Oh no - if I nick it, it's MINE. :xbones :P
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sidenote: I want to steal his Majesty ring please and thank you.
Oh no - if I nick it, it's MINE. :xbones :P
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, Only one who can bend it to his will, and he does not share power"
#2
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::)
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A buddy of mine used the band bathroom backstage at the last Transatlantic show in Downey. Only he didn't ask permission. :lol
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See... yeah, I didn't want to be THAT person. :jets: :P
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Well, he also didn't get caught, so...
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... if any of them looks at this page they'll wonder how the hell we came to discuss this.
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... if any of them looks at this page they'll wonder how the hell we came to discuss this.
:rollin
That'd be hilarious.
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... if any of them looks at this page they'll wonder how the hell we came to discuss this.
They would slowly back away from the internet, go to bed, spend a sleepless night, realize that this place is a condensate of awesomeness, and register under fake names in the morning.
*This could have already happened.
**They could be among us.
***They could always have been.
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... if any of them looks at this page they'll wonder how the hell we came to discuss this.
They would slowly back away from the internet, go to bed, spend a sleepless night, realize that this place is a condensate of awesomeness, and register under fake names in the morning.
*This could have already happened.
**They could be among us.
***They could always have been.
Uhm I don't know what you're talking about.
*phone conference* Guys, I think they're going to find out my true identity in a matter of hours...
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We usually say "washroom" in Canada, but we can go either way. I prefer "washroom" cuz no matter what's in there, there's always a sink to wash in, but they don't all have bathtubs or showers. It's like all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs.
"In Soviet Canada, washroom bathes YOU!"
or
"In Soviet Canada, bathroom washes YOU!"
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*Walks in on JLB in the bathroom*
JLB "*F#"
(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/45347039/James+LaBrie+20090807_James_LaBrie_Dream_Th.jpg)
That's a pretty awesomely awesome & especially special shirt.
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*Walks in on JLB in the bathroom*
JLB "*F#"
"That's a pretty awesomely awesome & especially special shit."
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Oops, nevermind.
I saw your post before you edited it, and you said it was the first and last time JP posted something, but I clearly remember that he answered to some fan questions. However, you're right that after the chaotic period was over he never posted again (or at least I think someone would've posted about it on this forum if that happened - I'm not a member over there).
Hopefully some of us will NOT listen to it on our mobiles.
Maybe someone should caption the Mangini pic: "Eargasm - you're doing it wrong"
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They would slowly back away from the internet, go to bed, spend a sleepless night, realize that this place is a condensate of awesomeness, and register under fake names in the morning.
*This could have already happened.
**They could be among us.
***They could always have been.
:omg: :omg: :omg:
:ontome:
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... if any of them looks at this page they'll wonder how the hell we came to discuss this.
They would slowly back away from the internet, go to bed, spend a sleepless night, realize that this place is a condensate of awesomeness, and register under fake names in the morning.
*This could have already happened.
**They could be among us.
***They could always have been.
Uhm I don't know what you're talking about.
*phone conference* Guys, I think they're going to find out my true identity in a matter of hours...
Holy balls! I've just realised it!
Mora is really....
Milena
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... if any of them looks at this page they'll wonder how the hell we came to discuss this.
They would slowly back away from the internet, go to bed, spend a sleepless night, realize that this place is a condensate of awesomeness, and register under fake names in the morning.
*This could have already happened.
**They could be among us.
***They could always have been.
Uhm I don't know what you're talking about.
*phone conference* Guys, I think they're going to find out my true identity in a matter of hours...
Holy balls! I've just realised it!
Mora is really....
Milena
:omg: (https://www.dramabutton.com/)
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We're all on to you now!
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We're on to your agenda!
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MY DAYS ARE NUMBERED.
(edit: OMG Zy yes! :rollin)
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Zy: are we near the top of her agenda or have we been placed onto it quite low down?
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Well first we were built up but then she broke us down.
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I guess we got pulled under then.
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Yeah, under a glass moon.
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It seems we were always a moment too late.
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Hey guys! I was just browsing the web for Dream Theater related stuff and found this awesome site! I'm a big fan of DT.
I will see you... on the road!
I mean goodbye!
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Welcome to the boards, Mr. NotRudess :biggrin:
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Hey guys! I was just browsing the web for Dream Theater related stuff and found this awesome site! I'm a big fan of DT.
I will see you... on the road!
I mean goodbye!
Welcome! I'm guessing by your avvie and posting style you'll fit right in :rollin
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... if any of them looks at this page they'll wonder how the hell we came to discuss this.
They would slowly back away from the internet, go to bed, spend a sleepless night, realize that this place is a condensate of awesomeness, and register under fake names in the morning.
*This could have already happened.
**They could be among us.
***They could always have been.
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Hey guys! I was just browsing the web for Dream Theater related stuff and found this awesome site! I'm a big fan of DT.
I will see you... on the road!
I mean goodbye!
=Proof? :omg:
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Guys, let's go and bust out the emergency picnic we prepared for such an occasion!
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Guys, let's go and bust out the emergency picnic we prepared for such an occasion!
Vlasto Day?
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I will see you... on the road!
I like you already.
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Guys, let's go and bust out the emergency picnic we prepared for such an occasion!
Vlasto Day?
Sure, why the hell not?
Also Mr. IHaveNoIdeaWhoYouTotallyAren't: Welcome to our humble abode.
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You guys seem to be an awesome community. Perhaps I should show my totally not famous and in a band friends this forums.
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I'm sure they'd love it.
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I will see you... on the road!
I like you already.
Me too!
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Guys, let's go and bust out the emergency picnic we prepared for such an occasion!
Vlasto Day?
AGAIN?!
Let me unpack my Christmas tree once again.
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I will see you... on the road!
I like you already.
Me too!
Me three!
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Well, it was nice having a chat with you guys ;) , but I have to be in a place at about 1pm, so... goodbye!
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I'm guessing the DT studio.
:neverusethis:
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I'm guessing the DT studio.
:neverusethis:
:king:
That's my happy dance.
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:riskybiz:
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DTF I want to squish you right now. SWEET JESUS WHAT IN THE NAME OF :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Well, I must say that I found that dude to be a thoroughly nice chap.
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I love when this place outbursts of awesomeness over nothing. :biggrin:
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He'll probably get the "Forum VIP" position before we even notice it ;D
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Exciting times in the realm of DT. I'm loving the instrument photos! JRs keyboard galaxy is always impressive and the JP13 is beautiful. I've had the same guitar for 7 years (Dave Mustaine ESP flying V). It may be time to browse..
Also, all the studio updates and interviews have been great (especially the Drop the Needle one w/ JR).
Here's to what's ahead :hat
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Well, it was nice having a chat with you guys ;) , but I have to be in a place at about 1pm, so... goodbye!
Personal Text: Totally not Jordan Rudess
Gender: Male
Age:17
Location:Portugal
My eyes are on you sir.
(https://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/200H/i/2010/288/3/9/i__m_watching_you_by_greenshadow23-d30tchp.jpg)
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Hey guys! I was just browsing the web for Dream Theater related stuff and found this awesome site!
Is that why you have been a member since 2011? ;)
0,006 posts per day ftw.
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Hey guys! I was just browsing the web for Dream Theater related stuff and found this awesome site!
Is that why you have been a member since 2011? ;)
0,006 posts per day ftw.
AHA! Member since 2011! *writes down in notebook* Now I know who you are... Kevin Moore is that you?
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Hey guys! I was just browsing the web for Dream Theater related stuff and found this awesome site!
Is that why you have been a member since 2011? ;)
0,006 posts per day ftw.
AHA! Member since 2011! *writes down in notebook* Now I know who you are... Kevin Moore is that you?
(https://images.sodahead.com/polls/001639345/135329226_conspiracy_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg)
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Hey guys! I was just browsing the web for Dream Theater related stuff and found this awesome site!
Is that why you have been a member since 2011? ;)
0,006 posts per day ftw.
AHA! Member since 2011! *writes down in notebook* Now I know who you are... Kevin Moore is that you?
(https://images.sodahead.com/polls/001639345/135329226_conspiracy_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg)
:rollin
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:lol :lol
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(https://www.daveware.co.uk/hannah/blog/files/aliens-meme.jpg)
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Every time I see that pic I get more and more convince that's actually Charlie :lol
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Every time I see that pic I get more and more convince that's actually Charlie :lol
:lol
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This thread delivers. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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This thread delivers. :rollin :rollin :rollin
This thread Digorno's.
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This thread delivers. :rollin :rollin :rollin
This thread Digorno's.
Which kills me because I never seen a pizza so small. I'd know! :lol
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This thread delivers. :rollin :rollin :rollin
This thread Digorno's.
:icy: :lol
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(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/44741_10151210366707181_860936095_n.jpg)
James' big ole Mic for DebraKadabra ;)
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You REALLY do NOT want me to answer that. :xbones
You wanted it, you got it.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dreamtheaternet/8415274624/in/photostream
Dammit Mindflux!
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;D
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Dammit Mindflux!
:hefdaddy
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Do that again and we'll have a showdown on 6th :) :corn
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Do that again and we'll have a showdown on 6th :) :corn
PEW PEW PEW
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That's one fine lookin' microphone. :metal
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Well I am a happy girl now, there will be singing on the album :rollin
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Well I am a happy girl now, there will be singing on the album :rollin
Nope. Could be spoken word and beat boxing.
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Well I am a happy girl now, there will be singing on the album :rollin
Nope. Could be spoken word and beat boxing.
I can confirm that one of those is true.
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Well I am a happy girl now, there will be singing on the album :rollin
Nope. Could be spoken word and beat boxing.
I'm fine with that, I could listen to them talk crap all day :lol
Well I am a happy girl now, there will be singing on the album :rollin
Nope. Could be spoken word and beat boxing.
I can confirm that one of those is true.
Freshly back from the studio, huh, mr. of unconfirmed identity? :rollin
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And finally the last instruments makes its entrance. Can we have the songs now? :(
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Guys, I figured it out!
Esqualeto spelled backwards is "otelauase", which I'm sure means something in some language. All we have to do is figure out what it means, and it will be a clue to who Esqualeto really is. And then, once we figure out the clue, we'll know! Pretty cool, huh?
Okay, now I've done the hard part, if someone else could just figure it all out, we'll know. What are you waiting for? Get to it!
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A google search of otelauqse yielded NO results. The plot thickens...
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I'm not sure why anyone would think that Esqualeto is anyone in the band, especially Jordan Rudess, who has been at NAMM all of today, so he wouldn't have been "in the studio" as of late.
Either way, if they turn out to be someone in the band, color me surprised!
-Marc.
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We should ask him something that only Jordan Rudess could know.
Anybody know anything that only Jordan could know?
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I'm not sure why anyone would think that Esqualeto is anyone in the band, especially Jordan Rudess, who has been at NAMM all of today, so he wouldn't have been "in the studio" as of late.
Either way, if they turn out to be someone in the band, color me surprised!
-Marc.
You forget that JR can bend the space-time continuum with his continuum. He could totally be posting on the board tonight from his house in April while being at NAMM this morning.
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I'm not sure why anyone would think that Esqualeto is anyone in the band
??? I didn't know anyone did think that. Well, I can say that from time to time, members of the band or people officially affiliated with the band do browse and/or post. But when they sign up, they usually have a habit of letting me know who they are either when they sign up or shortly thereafter. And I have no reason to beleive Esqualeto falls into that category.
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I'm not sure why anyone would think that Esqualeto is anyone in the band
??? I didn't know anyone did think that. Well, I can say that from time to time, members of the band or people officially affiliated with the band do browse and/or post. But when they sign up, they usually have a habit of letting me know who they are either when they sign up or shortly thereafter. And I have no reason to beleive Esqualeto falls into that category.
I'm reading too much between the lines or are you implying that a member of the band registered on this boards, whatever their usernames are?
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I'm not sure why anyone would think that Esqualeto is anyone in the band, especially Jordan Rudess, who has been at NAMM all of today, so he wouldn't have been "in the studio" as of late.
Either way, if they turn out to be someone in the band, color me surprised!
-Marc.
No one does, but we're good enough sports to play along :)
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Esqueleto is skeleton. Who is the skinniest member of Dream Theater? :P
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Esqueleto is skeleton. Who is the skinniest member of Dream Theater? :P
JP's Guitar? :lol
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I'm not sure why anyone would think that Esqualeto is anyone in the band, especially Jordan Rudess, who has been at NAMM all of today, so he wouldn't have been "in the studio" as of late.
Either way, if they turn out to be someone in the band, color me surprised!
-Marc.
No one does, but we're good enough sports to play along :)
Damn you guys! Now that I know you guys are just playing along, I'll just stop.
Time to get some starbucks!
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Esqueleto is skeleton. Who is the skinniest member of Dream Theater? :P
JP's Guitar? :lol
Every time I see someone say JP, I think they are referring to me. How self-absorbed can one person be?
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This ^
Edit: I do apologise, at the time of posting this, I thought it was going under the thinking aliens guy is Charlie.
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And finally the last instruments makes its entrance. Can we have the songs now? :(
Can You Hear The Music??
:justjen
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And finally the last instruments makes its entrance. Can we have the songs now? :(
Can You Hear The Music??
:justjen
I sense a pun I'm not getting. :biggrin:
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You forget that JR can bend the space-time continuum with his continuum.
LOLOL wasteland I just laughed so hard at this!! XD
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We should ask him something that only Jordan Rudess could know.
Anybody know anything that only Jordan could know?
He should know whether the first binary code on MorphWiz is 10011010 or 11010001........
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(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/44741_10151210366707181_860936095_n.jpg)
James' big ole Mic for DebraKadabra ;)
[The Miz] AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMM!!!!!!!!! [/The Miz] :biggrin:
Oh wait... hang on... this calls for...
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/bizarredevotedfan/Randomness/bigsmile.gif)
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I am completely convinced they posted the picture because of
us Debbie. It's my headcanon (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=headcanon) now.
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Aw. That's really swell. :)
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Aw. That's really swell. :)
:heart :heart :heart
I LOVE THE MIC BTGW. I cant correct typos anymre it's 3am 2 months in a row. I am so undersletp it's tragc.
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I CAN TYPING! (https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/bizarredevotedfan/Randomness/derp.gif)
:biggrin: :heart
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Guys, I figured it out!
Esqualeto spelled backwards is "otelauase", which I'm sure means something in some language. All we have to do is figure out what it means, and it will be a clue to who Esqualeto really is. And then, once we figure out the clue, we'll know! Pretty cool, huh?
Okay, now I've done the hard part, if someone else could just figure it all out, we'll know. What are you waiting for? Get to it!
No no, it's an anagram for the Latin word for wizard.
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This forum is awesome! :tup
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I heard this thread was awesome, and I'm here to put a stop to it. :police:
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:sadpanda:
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:mora:
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:footloose:
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Better snipping this out, I am too lazy to edit it to a less pervy looking form :lol
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:corn
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My brain hurts.
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No punS intended. :biggrin:
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Looks like its official
https://twitter.com/chycki
Chyucky is recording the new DT Album
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I will never hear the name Richard Chycki and not immediately get a Winter Rose song stuck in my head.
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Looks like its official
https://twitter.com/chycki
Chyucky is recording the new DT Album
Nice! First time they've not gone with Paul Northfield since, what, Octavarium, is it?
Northfield was ace, but change is good. And how cool that Chycki's finally doing a full album! Know he did the vocals on ADToE, but wasn't he also planned to be doing the DVD, and schedules didn't work out? I'm sure there was something like that.
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Well, three members of the band put Clockwork Angels very highly in their Top 10 of 2012 lists, and it was recorded by Chycki! So good for them to get the recording engineer behind one of their favorite albums of 2012! This can only mean great things!!!
-Marc.
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Looks like its official
https://twitter.com/chycki
Chyucky is recording the new DT Album
Nice! First time they've not gone with Paul Northfield since, what, Octavarium, is it?
Northfield was ace, but change is good. And how cool that Chycki's finally doing a full album! Know he did the vocals on ADToE, but wasn't he also planned to be doing the DVD, and schedules didn't work out? I'm sure there was something like that.
Not familiar with his work, but Northfield's been associated with DT's most inconsistent sounding albums with a ton of sound issues, so I'm happy about this.
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Well, three members of the band put Clockwork Angels very highly in their Top 10 of 2012 lists, and it was recorded by Chycki! So good for them to get the recording engineer behind one of their favorite albums of 2012! This can only mean great things!!!
-Marc.
Somebody in the thread said that the sound of CA was at times muddy. Is that true or was it just an individual and isolated opinion?
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I will never hear the name Richard Chycki and not immediately get a Winter Rose song stuck in my head.
Me neither :metal
I'm happy they're shaking things up!
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Well, three members of the band put Clockwork Angels very highly in their Top 10 of 2012 lists, and it was recorded by Chycki! So good for them to get the recording engineer behind one of their favorite albums of 2012! This can only mean great things!!!
-Marc.
Somebody in the thread said that the sound of CA was at times muddy. Is that true or was it just an individual and isolated opinion?
If I remeber it well, Chicky also recorded James's Elements of Persuasion which sounds perfectly fine for me. Haven't heard the Rush album yet.
B.Lee
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What I find interesting and pleasing is that apparently James's counsel about him as a eingineer/mixer (since I believe he was the only one to have had a musical intercourse with him) was taken into account and evantually accepted. :tup
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It's just a part of James' conspiracy to turn DT into his solo band - first they hired Mangini, who had appeared on James' solo albums, and now they have Chycki as an engineer. All the DT members will eventually be replaced by people who have worked with James on his solo stuff! :eek
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It's just a part of James' conspiracy to turn DT into his solo band - first they hired Mangini, who had appeared on James' solo albums, and now they have Chycki as an engineer. All the DT members will eventually be replaced by people who have worked with James on his solo stuff! :eek
Damn Jordan, look out for Matt Guillory when darkness falls upon the streets of New York city.
What I find interesting and pleasing is that apparently James's counsel about him as a eingineer/mixer (since I believe he was the only one to have had a musical intercourse with him) was taken into account and evantually accepted. :tup
Marco wtf :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Well, three members of the band put Clockwork Angels very highly in their Top 10 of 2012 lists, and it was recorded by Chycki! So good for them to get the recording engineer behind one of their favorite albums of 2012! This can only mean great things!!!
-Marc.
Somebody in the thread said that the sound of CA was at times muddy. Is that true or was it just an individual and isolated opinion?
I also agree. It sounds very muddy at times.
What I find interesting and pleasing is that apparently James's counsel about him as a eingineer/mixer (since I believe he was the only one to have had a musical intercourse with him) was taken into account and evantually accepted. :tup
Marco wtf :lol :lol :lol :lol
WTF :rollin
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Hey! I checked the dictionary before! It's correct and if you have something to say than it's you who have a dirty mind! :P
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Hey! I checked the dictionary before! It's correct and if you have something to say than it's you who have a dirty mind! :P
brb off to wash mind with soap.
*an eternity later*
Nope, still :zydar:
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Let's get back IT, please, I don't wanna be embarassed anymore :blush
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Let's get back IT, please, I don't wanna be embarassed anymore :blush
Awwww sorry :mehlin
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Let's get back IT, please, I don't wanna be embarassed anymore :blush
Awwww sorry :mehlin
Don't :heart:
ANyway, so now we have Richard Chycki. Earlier I wrote that he was to be eingineer/mixer, but I was just talking out of my ass. Do we know if he has been indeed asked to carry out both task (assuming they don't come naturally together, which I don't now)?
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Let's get back IT, please, I don't wanna be embarassed anymore :blush
Awwww sorry :mehlin
Don't :heart:
ANyway, so now we have Richard Chycki. Earlier I wrote that he was to be eingineer/mixer, but I was just talking out of my ass. Do we know if he has been indeed asked to carry out both task (assuming they don't come naturally together, which I don't now)?
https://twitter.com/chycki/status/287378658845417473
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Musical intercourse... :rollin :rollin
Seriously though looking forward to a new DT album so fucking much. When does everybody think it'll come out?
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Musical intercourse... :rollin :rollin
Seriously though looking forward to a new DT album so fucking much. When does everybody think it'll come out?
Jordan and JP both mentioned September as a possibility.
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Musical intercourse... :rollin :rollin
Seriously though looking forward to a new DT album so fucking much. When does everybody think it'll come out?
Jordan and JP both mentioned September as a possibility.
We are spoiled : A JLB album, a JP album and a DT album all the same year! Me happy!!!! :metal :metal :metal
B.Lee
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AND! A DT live DVD! :metal
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If i'm not mistaken Richard Chycki had the engineering-mixing duties on James' Elements Of Persuation, and in my opinion it was a very good sounding record, massive sounding but still a clear mix.
So i'm optimistic about the new album's sound, if he is involved in those duties.
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Of course he could totally drop the ball and do everything wrong as well but eh :rollin
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Musical intercourse all round!
But yeah, should be a good record.
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I'm not familiar with Chycki, except for the fact he did LaBrie's vocals on ADTOE and Static impulse. Now that I found out he also recorded Clockwork angels, the guys can't go wrong with him. Nice pick. :tup
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Well, three members of the band put Clockwork Angels very highly in their Top 10 of 2012 lists, and it was recorded by Chycki! So good for them to get the recording engineer behind one of their favorite albums of 2012! This can only mean great things!!!
-Marc.
Somebody in the thread said that the sound of CA was at times muddy. Is that true or was it just an individual and isolated opinion?
I also agree. It sounds very muddy at times.
What I find interesting and pleasing is that apparently James's counsel about him as a eingineer/mixer (since I believe he was the only one to have had a musical intercourse with him) was taken into account and evantually accepted. :tup
Marco wtf :lol :lol :lol :lol
WTF :rollin
Regarding Clockwork Angels, Chyucky didn't mix or master the album. It was the producer, Nick Raskulinecz. Rich just recorded it.
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AND! A DT live DVD! :metal
I'f I'm reading his tweets right, I think he already finished mixing the live ADTOE
What he said ... lol. DVD in the can, studio album on deck. https://fb.me/1Xn198Q6F
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I think he referred to not being able to work on the DVD because something got in the way (I remember those James tweets from last summer) but that he's working on the album now. Or something like that.
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I think he referred to not being able to work on the DVD because something got in the way (I remember those James tweets from last summer) but that he's working on the album now. Or something like that.
Not working on the DVD in loco, but he did his job at home with the recorded tracks, right?
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I think he referred to not being able to work on the DVD because something got in the way (I remember those James tweets from last summer) but that he's working on the album now. Or something like that.
Not working on the DVD in loco, but he did his job at home with the recorded tracks, right?
I think... not? :lol
Dammit can anyone who actually makes a difference between mixing, mastering, recording and engineering and who can make heads and tails over which guy was working on what release in the DT/prog world come hither and clarify everything since my head is in such a mess right now :lol
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I think he referred to not being able to work on the DVD because something got in the way (I remember those James tweets from last summer) but that he's working on the album now. Or something like that.
Not working on the DVD in loco, but he did his job at home with the recorded tracks, right?
I think... not? :lol
I think... yes! :lol
My friends Dream Theater performed to massive crowds at Estadio Luna Park in Buenos Aires on August 19 & 20, 2012 in support of their very well-received release, A Dramatic Turn Of Events. Unfortunately, a scheduling conflict didn't allow me to participate in the location recording but the mix is well underway here for the live DVD and the band's performance is absolutely stellar. More news coming soon!
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I think he referred to not being able to work on the DVD because something got in the way (I remember those James tweets from last summer) but that he's working on the album now. Or something like that.
Not working on the DVD in loco, but he did his job at home with the recorded tracks, right?
I think... not? :lol
Dammit can anyone who actually makes a difference between mixing, mastering, recording and engineering and who can make heads and tails over which guy was working on what release in the DT/prog world come hither and clarify everything since my head is in such a mess right now :lol
recording - setting up mics, recording the sounds that come out, edit tracks, cut and paste pro tools (or tape if analogue is used)
mixing - putting together the recorded sounds from each instrument (some case for each track, like 24 microphones (24 tracks) from the drumset, keys, etc...)
mastering - leveling the sound equalizers to a constant level, fades ins/outs/, track sequence and ID.
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Ding. ding, ding!! Bingo!!
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I think... yes! :lol
My friends Dream Theater performed to massive crowds at Estadio Luna Park in Buenos Aires on August 19 & 20, 2012 in support of their very well-received release, A Dramatic Turn Of Events. Unfortunately, a scheduling conflict didn't allow me to participate in the location recording but the mix is well underway here for the live DVD and the band's performance is absolutely stellar. More news coming soon!
I so did not see that one!
Also, he said stellar. I am going to love him forever now.
recording - setting up mics, recording the sounds that come out, edit tracks, cut and paste pro tools (or tape if analogue is used)
mixing - putting together the recorded sounds from each instrument (some case for each track, like 24 microphones (24 tracks) from the drumset, keys, etc...)
mastering - leveling the sound equalizers to a constant level, fades ins/outs/, track sequence and ID.
Thank you!
So who did what for DT11 (well, I can google that, but in line with opinions over how well done it was) and predictions/possible actual info for DT12?
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Recorded: Paul Northfield
Mixed: Andy Wallace
Mastered: Ted Jensens
Everything Else: Maddi
Also, he said stellar. I am going to love him forever now.
What if it was him who originally planted the seed of stellarity in James? :omg:
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Mixed: Andy Wallace
So, the crap sound on ADTOE was this guy's fault?
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Those are very helpful definitions. Does anybody know what role JP plays in those processes as the producer?
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Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask as well. It's nice to finally know the difference between mixing and mastering and thanks for the info, but what's producing then?
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If i'm not mistaken Richard Chycki had the engineering-mixing duties on James' Elements Of Persuation, and in my opinion it was a very good sounding record, massive sounding but still a clear mix.
So i'm optimistic about the new album's sound, if he is involved in those duties.
That's what I wrote earlier on, but noone paid attention. :sadpanda:
B.Lee
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Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask as well. It's nice to finally know the difference between mixing and mastering and thanks for the info, but what's producing then?
Producing is like directing a movie. You oversee everything in order to try and achieve your vision of the full project. Wheter JP wanted ADOTE to sound like that is up for debate
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Oh, OK, I think I get it.
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Mixed: Andy Wallace
So, the crap sound on ADTOE was this guy's fault?
He also did Flying Colors if I'm not mistaken.
The only problem I had with ADTOE was Mangini's snare sound. Can't stand it. Oh, and I wish the drums were a tad louder.
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If i'm not mistaken Richard Chycki had the engineering-mixing duties on James' Elements Of Persuation, and in my opinion it was a very good sounding record, massive sounding but still a clear mix.
So i'm optimistic about the new album's sound, if he is involved in those duties.
That's what I wrote earlier on, but noone paid attention. :sadpanda:
B.Lee
Damn, sorry i didn't see it :sadpanda:
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Yay, new producer!! :metal
Muddy sound on Clockwork Angels?! Really?!?! I couldn't tell - sounds great to me.
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Can't wait for this production-wise. ADTOE sounds like crap, honestly, especially the drums. They sound compressed and horrible.
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Everything Else: Maddi
This has always bugged me. What does that mean and who the hell is Maddi?
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Everything Else: Maddi
This has always bugged me. What does that mean and who the hell is Maddi?
This is indeed a mistery, or for me at least. Cheering on the band? Providing Chai Latte for James to consume? Hiring a dedicate starbucks for JM? Fetching mammals, guineapiggin' for Jordan's apps?
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Everything Else: Maddi
This has always bugged me. What does that mean and who the hell is Maddi?
From a quick Google, it seems to be JP's tech.
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I hope that they don't hire Andy Wallace again for the mix. He mixed ADTOE like an ordinary metal record and a lot of details on the music are lost because of that.
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Everything Else: Maddi
This has always bugged me. What does that mean and who the hell is Maddi?
From a quick Google, it seems to be JP's tech.
Yes, Maddi is JP's guitar tech. He's the large bald dude who you see handing JP guitars and shit in between songs. He's seriously fucking awesome and obviously does A LOT more than just handing JP guitars. :tup
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Ninja'd by krands and LordOfTheStrings. :tup
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QXLuyIoCtI
Here he is giving the rundown on JP's rig for the 2011/2012 tour. It's very interesting.
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Maddi's a cool dude.
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Flying Colors was mixed by Michael Brauer if I recall correctly. He mixed DTs Octavarium and Scorr
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Never mind,
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QXLuyIoCtI
Here he is giving the rundown on JP's rig for the 2011/2012 tour. It's very interesting.
Reminds me of the guy who plays Holley in The Wire ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/cNN9N61.jpg)
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I hope that they don't hire Andy Wallace again for the mix. He mixed ADTOE like an ordinary metal record and a lot of details on the music are lost because of that.
If anything, I feel like it wasn't mixed metal enough, and songs like BITS that should kick you in the face with awesomeness instead just whimper at your shins.
A metal mix would have had more upfront drums that were mixed properly with a strong kick and snare drum, and had gutsier guitars and bass. JLB's solo albums are what I could call a metal mix. ADTOE is a......... nothing mix. It literally does not sound like anyone mixed it to me.
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If anything, I feel like it wasn't mixed metal enough, and songs like BITS that should kick you in the face with awesomeness instead just whimper at your shins.
That was my main problem with AW's mixing on ADTOE. The intro to BITS should have hit me in the face like a train....
...it didn't....
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If anything, I feel like it wasn't mixed metal enough, and songs like BITS that should kick you in the face with awesomeness instead just whimper at your shins.
That was my main problem with AW's mixing on ADTOE. The intro to BITS should have hit me in the face like a train....
...it didn't....
I concur. That's one of the main reasons I'm so stoked for the live release, cause that song kicked my ass live.
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If i'm not mistaken Richard Chycki had the engineering-mixing duties on James' Elements Of Persuation, and in my opinion it was a very good sounding record, massive sounding but still a clear mix.
So i'm optimistic about the new album's sound, if he is involved in those duties.
That's what I wrote earlier on, but noone paid attention. :sadpanda:
B.Lee
Damn, sorry i didn't see it :sadpanda:
No problem there, Bro! :tup
B.Lee
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JLB's solo albums are what I could call a metal mix.
Not sure about who did EoP, but for SI, that's because Jens Bogren mixed it (with the help of Marco Sfogli) and mastered it. That dude doesn't fool around:
Viva Emptiness (2003), The Great Cold Distance (2006) & Night Is the New Day (2009) – Katatonia
Dismantling Devotion (2006), Lost to the Living (2008) – Daylight Dies
Nightmares Made Flesh (2004) – Bloodbath
Daydream Anonymous (2007) – InMe
Ghost Reveries (2005) & Watershed(2008) – Opeth
Stabbing The Drama (2005) & The Panic Broadcast (2010) – Soilwork
The Anatomy of Melancholy (2008) & Faith Divides Us – Death Unites Us (2009) & Tragic Idol (2012) – Paradise Lost
Pelo Lado de Dentro (2009) – Homem Mau
The Edge of All I Know (2009) – Gwyllion
Shadow of the Red Baron (2010) – Iron Mask
"After (Ihsahn album)" (2010) - Ihsahn
Static Impulse (2010) – James LaBrie
Mundo Diablo (2010) – Dimenssion
Methods to End It All (Co-production, mixing and mastering) (2010) – Creation’s Tears
Surtur Rising (2011) – Amon Amarth
Småstadshjärtan (2011) [compilation]
The Human Connection (2011) – Chaos Divine
Deconstruction (2011) – The Devin Townsend Project
Måsstaden (Mastering) (2011) - Vildhjarta
Bilateral (mixing and mastering) (2011) - Leprous
Phantom Antichrist (2012) – Kreator
Of Breath And Bone (2012) – Be'lakor
In Glorious Death (mastering) (2012) – Myraeth
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Wow. :eek
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Wow. :eek
I heard around half of these and they all sound amazing.
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I've only heard Static Impulse, Ghost Reveries and Watershed. Those albums do sound really clean/stellar though.
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I just have to throw a mention in and say that whoever hasn't heard Bilateral yet definitely should. Not sure if you'll like it but I think it's a must-hear for prog fans. :hefdaddy
The same goes for Static Impulse and DT fans which are into metal, really.
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I just have to throw a mention in and say that whoever hasn't heard Bilateral yet definitely should. Not sure if you'll like it but I think it's a must-hear for prog fans. :hefdaddy
The same goes for Static Impulse and DT fans which are into metal, really.
Seconded. And I've not heard all of the albums from that list, but what I've heard sounds amazing.
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I just have to throw a mention in and say that whoever hasn't heard Bilateral yet definitely should. Not sure if you'll like it but I think it's a must-hear for prog fans. :hefdaddy
The same goes for Static Impulse and DT fans which are into metal, really.
Sometimes I feel nauseous because of all the awesome albums I haven't listened to ;______;
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I just have to throw a mention in and say that whoever hasn't heard Bilateral yet definitely should. Not sure if you'll like it but I think it's a must-hear for prog fans. :hefdaddy
The same goes for Static Impulse and DT fans which are into metal, really.
Seconded. And I've not heard all of the albums from that list, but what I've heard sounds amazing.
This.
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I just have to throw a mention in and say that whoever hasn't heard Bilateral yet definitely should. Not sure if you'll like it but I think it's a must-hear for prog fans. :hefdaddy
The same goes for Static Impulse and DT fans which are into metal, really.
Right into the cue after Fire Make Thunder ;) (which album do you suggest, by the way?)
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Right into the cue after Fire Make Thunder ;) (which album do you suggest, by the way?)
Just Bilateral, the previous Leprous album contains too much growls for the classic prog fan :)
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Right into the cue after Fire Make Thunder ;) (which album do you suggest, by the way?)
Just Bilateral, the previous Leprous album contains too much growls for the classic prog fan :)
Oh, darn, I though Bilateral was a band name :rollin
It sounds like it, isn't it? ::)
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Right into the cue after Fire Make Thunder ;) (which album do you suggest, by the way?)
Just Bilateral, the previous Leprous album contains too much growls for the classic prog fan :)
Oh, darn, I though Bilateral was a band name :rollin
It sounds like it, isn't it? ::)
It totally does, especially if you haven't heard it before!
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Right into the cue after Fire Make Thunder ;) (which album do you suggest, by the way?)
Just Bilateral, the previous Leprous album contains too much growls for the classic prog fan :)
Oh, darn, I though Bilateral was a band name :rollin
It sounds like it, isn't it? ::)
It totally does, especially if you haven't heard it before!
So does A Change of Seasons. Especially since my cousin's band is named Change of Season, which wasn't named after ACOS, and they became DT fans after forming! :rollin
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Blame DT not coming up with updates for the derailing of this thread ::)
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Blame DT not coming up with updates for the derailing of this thread ::)
:lol
Oh boy I wonder what DT are up to right now.
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/41e65c6bc09e3b907ed35e5c05012b6d/tumblr_menup2Fgex1qdq6kpo1_500.jpg)
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I just have to throw a mention in and say that whoever hasn't heard Bilateral yet definitely should. Not sure if you'll like it but I think it's a must-hear for prog fans. :hefdaddy
The same goes for Static Impulse and DT fans which are into metal, really.
I took your advice, and I'm about halfway through Bilateral now. And I must say I'm very impressed so far! :metal
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Blame DT not coming up with updates for the derailing of this thread ::)
:lol
Oh boy I wonder what DT are up to right now.
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/41e65c6bc09e3b907ed35e5c05012b6d/tumblr_menup2Fgex1qdq6kpo1_500.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I just have to throw a mention in and say that whoever hasn't heard Bilateral yet definitely should. Not sure if you'll like it but I think it's a must-hear for prog fans. :hefdaddy
The same goes for Static Impulse and DT fans which are into metal, really.
I took your advice, and I'm about halfway through Bilateral now. And I must say I'm very impressed so far! :metal
You should check out "Tall Poppy Syndrome" as well. It does have some death growl sections but the songwriting is very good.
I like to think that Leprous are a progressive version of System of a Down :metal
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You should check out "Tall Poppy Syndrome" as well. It does have some death growl sections but the songwriting is very good.
I like to think that Leprous are a progressive version of System of a Down :metal
This is true.
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Excellent. I expect crystal clear sound with this one.
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You should check out "Tall Poppy Syndrome" as well. It does have some death growl sections but the songwriting is very good.
I like to think that Leprous are a progressive version of System of a Down :metal
This is true.
Just found out that Leprous are from Norway :biggrin: That's what I would call a happy coincidence :tup
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Not sure about who did EoP, but for SI, that's because Jens Bogren mixed it (with the help of Marco Sfogli) and mastered it. That dude doesn't fool around:
*snip*
Yeah, the Katatonia, Opeth and Paradise Lost albums sound awesome! :metal And of course the songwriting on those releases isn't too shabby either ;)
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We need Jens Bogren for the mastering stage. Every album I heard that he was involved in sounded massive! The dude doesn't mess around
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVZb4Xfy67s
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Yea he's got some nice points on his CV and a fine looking studio!
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Oh boy I wonder what DT are up to right now.
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/41e65c6bc09e3b907ed35e5c05012b6d/tumblr_menup2Fgex1qdq6kpo1_500.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Although I wasn't disappointed in the ADTOE mix (it was a vast improvement on the previous few); I said before ADTOE came out it'd be awesome if Jens Bogren mixed/mastered it and my opinion hasn't changed for DT12 - he would make it sound huge!
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Muddy sound on Clockwork Angels?! Really?!?! I couldn't tell - sounds great to me.
It could have been better. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great. I still love the record, but I do wish it had sounded a little better.
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Clockwork Angels isn't exactly muddy, but it does have that dense, compressed sound that seems to be so popular these days. You can hear most of the instruments well enough, but it still feels like there's no room for anything to breathe.
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Sounds just fine on my car speakers. *me shrugs*
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New interview on the Homepage...
When people hear the drumming on this album, they’re gonna be pretty freaked out. Mangini is an animal.
:omg: :tup
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:metal :metal YES MANGINI ALL OVER ME
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:mangini:
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Oh HELL yes. :victorydance:
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Blame DT not coming up with updates for the derailing of this thread ::)
:lol
Oh boy I wonder what DT are up to right now.
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/41e65c6bc09e3b907ed35e5c05012b6d/tumblr_menup2Fgex1qdq6kpo1_500.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin
So glad I stumbled into this thread today
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We need a NSFW warning on that shit or something. People see that, they wonder WTF kind of sites I visit these days.
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New interview on the Homepage...
When people hear the drumming on this album, they’re gonna be pretty freaked out. Mangini is an animal.
:omg: :tup
That's what we like to hear. :tup
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(https://drewpeterson2.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/animal.jpg)
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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I feel really tempted now to change my avatar back to my very first avatar on this forum, which was...
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p92NLCnDhD0/SiA5YA0mkQI/AAAAAAAAA_M/A9Z0b7X2Yg0/s200/AnimalMuppet.jpg)
In honour of MM :lol
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Amen Bob! :lol
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I feel really tempted now to change my avatar back to my very first avatar on this forum, which was...
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p92NLCnDhD0/SiA5YA0mkQI/AAAAAAAAA_M/A9Z0b7X2Yg0/s200/AnimalMuppet.jpg)
In honour of MM :lol
Do it!
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Clockwork Angels isn't exactly muddy, but it does have that dense, compressed sound that seems to be so popular these days. You can hear most of the instruments well enough, but it still feels like there's no room for anything to breathe.
It really hit me how blah it sounded when I realized that the soft parts and the loud parts were exactly the same volume. It lacks dynamics.
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Yep. A victim of the volume wars.
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New interview on the Homepage...
When people hear the drumming on this album, they’re gonna be pretty freaked out. Mangini is an animal.
:omg: :tup
Here's the link:
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/dream-theater-john-jordan-20130129/?cmpid=20130129/dream-theater/facebook/news-link/john-jordan&utm_source=roadrunner&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=dream-theater-john-jordan-01292013
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It's cool that they have Richard Chycki with them, but ultimately it doesn't really matter who they get to engineer, mix and master if they don't drop the loudness trend. It can sound better, but it won't sound great if the new album is as compressed as the previous ones. Andy Wallace has made some great sounding records, but it didn't help that much on ADTOE. It is not about the know how. It is about the attitude. And the decision about the final loudness levels might not be solely up to the band either. The label may have their say in that too. Though with DT I doubt that.
From what I've heard from Richard Chycki and Jens Bogren (EoP, Static Impulse, Watershed, Ghost Reveries, Night is the new day, Deconstruction), most of them are better than the competition. I like how good those guys can make a loud/compressed album sound. But those albums are still limited in sound quality because of the lack of dynamic range. Deconstruction for example sounds quite bad IMO.
If they had Steven Wilson on board then I'd be more optimistic about the sound quality. He has quite a good track record with dynamic albums.
Also just happened to come across this video and it has some comments from known producers about loudness war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qUcgg2vMX_s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qUcgg2vMX_s)
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I thought Death Magnetic was the turning point. No album has come close to sounding that bad since then that i've heard.
The Blackening was also pretty horrendous and World Painted Blood but since then I think albums are slowly getting more dynamic.
I love how Uno! & Tre! sound. They're not metal albums but they're really clear and not clippy unlike 21st Century Breakdown which distorted like buggery in the really loud parts - most notably on East Jesus Nowhere in the " Beautiful People " muted section.
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That's an interesting Youtube clip.
What I don't understand is how a band like Dream Theater with the ears and training and skills they have and making the music they make can allow the Loudness War to determine how their music is finally released. Also, many of the listeners of this type of music are musicians and audiophiles and aren't stupid yet we're given sonic-ly dumbed-down remedial-listening recordings.
Nobody listens to Miley Cyrus or Nickelback for the amazing soundscapes and musical nuances, so no big deal. But any music that is similar in scope to what Dream Theater does should absolutely never be loud just cuz that's what pop stars do.
RoadRunner didn't sign DT to make them zillions of dollars on the pop chart so why can't DT give the finger to the Loudness War and do what's right for the music they make? It's like the elephant in the room, everyone knows about it but nobody does anything about it, like lip-syncing.
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With ADTOE (which was less compressed than BC&SL, which was less compressed than SC), I think it was less giving in to the loudness war, and more just not really thinking of that when going into the mixing/mastering process.
That said, it is a bit frustrating that a band like DT don't place more importance on dynamic mixing and mastering.
With Clockwork Angels, Geddy straight up said in an interview that they 'compromised' on the sound quality, which is frustrating, because there's no way a band like Rush would need to compromise on something like that, and they seem very aware of the dangers of overcompression post-Vapor Trails.
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I think you overestimate how much control the artist has...Rush has intimated that they had no say in, and were displeased with, the degree of compression/"loudness" on CA. They basically said it was out of their control.
(this was in response to PetFish)
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I think you overestimate how much control the artist has...Rush has intimated that they had no say in, and were displeased with, the degree of compression/"loudness" on CA. They basically said it was out of their control.
(this was in response to PetFish)
I hope at least they could specify who they want to master their albums. The mastering engineer on the last two albums has been someone named Brian "Big Bass" Gardner. Honestly, if you're a MASTERING ENGINEER and your nickname is BIG BASS then you're doing your job wrong (or right I guess, since that's what the industry wants now).
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Why can they not release several versions for playing on differing equipment ?
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Why can they not release several versions for playing on differing equipment ?
Because it would cost them more money to create separate masters of the album.
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Back to Dream Theater........
I feel like now he’s just Mike Mangini unleashed.
:biggrin:
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I hope MM doesn't get to the point where he pulls a Petrucci and people die from the fact he was unleashed.
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Why can they not release several versions for playing on differing equipment ?
Because it would cost them more money to create separate masters of the album.
i am sure it would be worth it in the long run I would gladly pay a bit more for a fuller sounding album to play on my good sterio :-)
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Why can they not release several versions for playing on differing equipment ?
Because it would cost them more money to create separate masters of the album.
i am sure it would be worth it in the long run I would gladly pay a bit more for a fuller sounding album to play on my good sterio :-)
Oh I would too, but audiophiles etc are a tiny minority, so it probably wouldn't be financially viable to them, at least not enough for them to care to do it.
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We live in the ear bud generation. Audiophiles nuts are such a small minority these days. I'm with you though.
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I use decent in-ear headphones for my music when i'm out and about simply for convenience.
Indoors I use my speakers.
Fortunately I was bought up by a guy who made his own speakers and always had top of the range systems.
The worst offenders are people who listen to music using their mobile SPEAKERS :/
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Earbuds for the Gym
Nicer Over-ear headphones or my Laptop's built in JBL speakers at home
Car Speakers for the road
Cell phone speakers are ridiculous, but they can work in a pinch. If I'm snowboarding, I've had a enjoyable time just turning on some music and putting my phone in my jacket's chest pocket.
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;D
The only time I ever use the iPhone speaker is when i'm in the shower and wanna listen to music whilst i'm in there...
I put it on the shelf and position it to get the least amount of treble as possible :P
The shelf is outside the shower I might add :p
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We live in the ear bud generation. Audiophiles nuts are such a small minority these days. I'm with you though.
Don't underestimate good in-ears. I even prefer lying in my bed with my in-ears over sitting in front of my speakers.
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Why can they not release several versions for playing on differing equipment ?
Because it would cost them more money to create separate masters of the album.
But would it really? I mean from what I've gathered mastering engineers usually make couple of versions for the band to choose in the first place. Bob Ludwig for example had 3 versions for Axel Rose to choose for Chinese Democracy. Isn't that part of the service? Or am I totally lost here?
We live in the ear bud generation. Audiophiles nuts are such a small minority these days. I'm with you though.
Don't underestimate good in-ears. I even prefer lying in my bed with my in-ears over sitting in front of my speakers.
To put it simply: crappy sounding album + crappy in-ears = crappy sound. Good sounding album + crappy in-ears = better sound than the first combination. It's just a myth that overcompressed loud albums sound better on cheap in-ears.
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We live in the ear bud generation. Audiophiles nuts are such a small minority these days. I'm with you though.
Don't underestimate good in-ears. I even prefer lying in my bed with my in-ears over sitting in front of my speakers.
I'm just using that earphones don't allow the airieness (no such word but it works) of listening to a stereo. I have noise canceling earphones that I love but we know compression is made for I-pods and cars these days. And lets be honest. That's 85% of how I listen to music these days.
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When i'm at home - i either listen to music on my decent studio monitors or my decent studio headphones if it's late...
Out and about I don't really give a crap about quality since it's primarily for entertainment whilst i'm on a walk.
But I hate the iPod earbuds and always get a good pair from HMV that aren't very expensive but give you loads of bass and they have those cushion-y things on ;D
Plus I import CDs into my iTunes as 320kbps as well.
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With the mastering on Clockwork Angels, I don't really buy that the band had little to no say. Considering their audience, and the point they're at in their careers, their label forcing them to have a more compressed mix just doesn't seem like something that would happen. More likely, whoever they were working with suggested mixing it the way they did (or mixed it that way and presented it to them), and they went along with it.
It was released by Roadrunner. This is the same label that released Storm Corrosion. They seem to let bands and artists on their label do their own thing their own way for the most part.
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(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/537950_10151244336982181_590798731_n.jpg)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151244336982181&set=a.487625947180.264700.7677942180&type=1&ref=nf
-Marc.
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Jesus Christ Jordan, how many do you need.
I'm a keyboardperson, so I won't complain :heart
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I wonder why the NordStage is setup in synth mode, while he has such awesome 'real' synths.
But well, crazytown, I'd love to have a setup like that. Looks like Rick Wakeman style.
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In the studio he wants certain keyboard for that distinct sound and it's just so much easier to have one keybord on stage with different patches.
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In the studio he wants certain keyboard for that distinct sound and it's just so much easier to have one keybord on stage with different patches.
I was just about to ask why the need for so many keyboards when there are patches and samples for one single keyboard to use, but that answers my question.
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In the studio he wants certain keyboard for that distinct sound and it's just so much easier to have one keybord on stage with different patches.
I was just about to ask why the need for so many keyboards when there are patches and samples for one single keyboard to use, but that answers my question.
I just mean that the NordStage sounds (mainly the synth section) doesn't contribute anything to the beast synths he has standing there.
The Nord does have great natural B3's and Rhodes.
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Bloody love the rhodes on it. The whirly and the bose are pretty nice too.
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Jesus Christ Jordan, how many do you need.
I'm a keyboardperson, so I won't complain :heart
I don't think there are enough keyboards in the world to satisfy JR's needs!
I am excite.
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I agree with Rich! :caffeine:
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Sometimes a slightly naff sound is the one you're after.
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(https://distilleryimage7.s3.amazonaws.com/fd961d0c76fb11e299e022000a1fb043_7.jpg)
Looks like there's going to be some intense Metric Modulation on this album!!!
-Marc.
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:woot: :squee:
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(https://distilleryimage7.s3.amazonaws.com/fd961d0c76fb11e299e022000a1fb043_7.jpg)
Looks like there's going to be some intense Metric Modulation on this album!!!
-Marc.
Is that official Dream Theater looseleaf. :lol
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:lol
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Also, looks like Dream Theater's 12th album will be slightly influenced by Rush's Signals - just look, there's Subdivisions!!!
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!
:neverusethis:
-Marc.
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:rollin
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(https://distilleryimage7.s3.amazonaws.com/fd961d0c76fb11e299e022000a1fb043_7.jpg)
Looks like there's going to be some intense Metric Modulation on this album!!!
-Marc.
I don't even know WTF this means, but I'm excited.
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^^ It means awesomeness. I'm excited.
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(https://distilleryimage7.s3.amazonaws.com/fd961d0c76fb11e299e022000a1fb043_7.jpg)
Looks like there's going to be some intense Metric Modulation on this album!!!
-Marc.
I don't even know WTF this means, but I'm excited.
This is my reaction to everything DT's been saying lately :D
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It looks like he's trying to work out the bpm for the same thing but in groupings of 3 rather than 4.
144 BPM for 4 subdivisions
192 for 3 subdivisions ?
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One example I can think of is in "Panic Attack", during the solo section - MP is playing the bass drum at constant 16th notes, and in one moment he is playing in 4/4, the tempo feels slow, but then it shifts into 6/8, with the same 16th note bass pulse. The groupings change from 4 to 3, in that instance, and so the tempo "changes" and feels faster.
Looks like they're doing something similar here. It's amazing that MM is actually taking the time to calculate BPM, which means he's obviously trying to nail some drum part(s) that require knowing exactly how fast that part of the song is going to be.
-Marc.
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One example I can think of is in "Panic Attack", during the solo section - MP is playing the bass drum at constant 16th notes, and in one moment he is playing in 4/4, the tempo feels slow, but then it shifts into 6/8, with the same 16th note bass pulse. The groupings change from 4 to 3, in that instance, and so the tempo "changes" and feels faster.
Looks like they're doing something similar here. It's amazing that MM is actually taking the time to calculate BPM, which means he's obviously trying to nail some drum part(s) that require knowing exactly how fast that part of the song is going to be.
-Marc.
Maybe they were working it out for the studio click?
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One example I can think of is in "Panic Attack", during the solo section - MP is playing the bass drum at constant 16th notes, and in one moment he is playing in 4/4, the tempo feels slow, but then it shifts into 6/8, with the same 16th note bass pulse. The groupings change from 4 to 3, in that instance, and so the tempo "changes" and feels faster.
Looks like they're doing something similar here. It's amazing that MM is actually taking the time to calculate BPM, which means he's obviously trying to nail some drum part(s) that require knowing exactly how fast that part of the song is going to be.
-Marc.
Maybe they were working it out for the studio click?
THEYRE STEALING MPs CHARTS
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THEY'RE REDOING AWAKE THIS TIME OLO
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Don't joke; I'm already bracing for the ensuing shitstorm.
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A Wivid Avert Koncerning Events
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Hurrr???
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Nevermind....me trying wordplay in utter fail! :lol
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A Wivid Avert Koncerning Events
What the hell does wivid mean :lol
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Vivid, i was trying to find a synonym or related word for dramatic that started with W but i could only find vivid so......wivid! :blush
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It's just vivid in Polish.
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It's just vivid in Polish.
Where's that "ba-dum tish!" drum emote?
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It's just vivid in Polish.
Where's that "ba-dum tish!" drum emote?
Here ya go :icy:
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The board :o :hat
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/3525_10151263358402181_390679712_n.jpg)
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Hopefully the suck and gay is absent.
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What?! :lol
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Looks like the " Lame " fader is set to zero.
:coolio
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The board :o :hat
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/3525_10151263358402181_390679712_n.jpg)
I love the blurry figure back there at the keyboards. No, it's not Jordan. We don't know that. Sure, it looks like him, and we know Jordan is there of course, but it's blurry, so we don't know for sure. Besides, they're obviously keeping his identity a secret, perhaps for some kind of surprise.
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Is this the same studio as ADToE ?
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Is this the same studio as ADToE ?
I'm wondering the same thing...cove city?
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Is this the same studio as ADToE ?
I'm wondering the same thing...cove city?
Well, looks like it. I vaguely remember that black and gree screen and the wood pattern.
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Look at the two sliding switches (or whatever the fuck they're called) to the left of the Majesty logo. They're both at zero. Those must be the suck and gay tracks!
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Some guy on MM's page commented on that picture: "This is almost like a car now."
:rollin
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What confuses me more is why does it look really smokey? Like a live concert stage with a wierd smoke machine, first hidden keyboard player, now strange area wit no clues as to whats going on.... perhaps dream creator are recording the next album for them.... Whilst incognito... See if any of us see the difference :P
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What confuses me more is why does it look really smokey?
DT is recording the album like most 70s progressive bands. Copious amounts of weed....
Watch my comment end up on blabbermouth
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Watch my comment end up on blabbermouth
:rollin
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(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/62502_472483919467038_548866878_n.jpg)
OK! WTH is MM up too? Damn now he got me all wind up! :corn
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He's trying to be all technical and stuff, but he's just going to use it to watch hockey.
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He's trying to be all technical and stuff, but he's just going to use it to watch hockey.
Yes, I see him watching hockey while recording drum tracks. In the Making of documentary he'll say something like "Recording drum tracks for DT can sometimes get very boring, so I decided to watch Bruins while punching the heads.... *yawn* "
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I love the blurry figure back there at the keyboards. No, it's not Jordan. We don't know that. Sure, it looks like him, and we know Jordan is there of course, but it's blurry, so we don't know for sure. Besides, they're obviously keeping his identity a secret, perhaps for some kind of surprise.
Maybe Tony Levin is guesting on a track or two on the new album. Stranger things have happened. ;) Or maybe I'm way, way off and we should just all keep on moving 'cause there's nothing to see here. :biggrin:
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I still remember hearing the first notes of Falling Into Infinity and going "Hey, that's a Stick!" And the first thing I thought of was Tony Levin, but as cool as that would be, I thought it was even cooler that JM has added Stick to his arsenal.
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I love the blurry figure back there at the keyboards. No, it's not Jordan. We don't know that. Sure, it looks like him, and we know Jordan is there of course, but it's blurry, so we don't know for sure. Besides, they're obviously keeping his identity a secret, perhaps for some kind of surprise.
Maybe Tony Levin is guesting on a track or two on the new album. Stranger things have happened. ;) Or maybe I'm way, way off and we should just all keep on moving 'cause there's nothing to see here. :biggrin:
Funny you mention this because I thought of this too. Tony wears vests and the guy in the picture seems like he is wearing one. And there's no hair as well lol. He also lives in NY or close to there so it would be real sweet if he guested on a track or two.
Does Richard C have a bald head?
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He's trying to be all technical and stuff, but he's just going to use it to watch hockey.
:rollin :clap:
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Is this the same studio as ADToE ?
Yes
I love the blurry figure back there at the keyboards. No, it's not Jordan. We don't know that. Sure, it looks like him, and we know Jordan is there of course, but it's blurry, so we don't know for sure. Besides, they're obviously keeping his identity a secret, perhaps for some kind of surprise.
Maybe Tony Levin is guesting on a track or two on the new album. Stranger things have happened. ;) Or maybe I'm way, way off and we should just all keep on moving 'cause there's nothing to see here. :biggrin:
Funny you mention this because I thought of this too. Tony wears vests and the guy in the picture seems like he is wearing one. And there's no hair as well lol. He also lives in NY or close to there so it would be real sweet if he guested on a track or two.
Does Richard C have a bald head?
No
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So we have a candidate Tony Levin in the studio. Interesting, interesting...
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So, hidden track in the new DT album will be a brand new LTE song... ;D
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So, hidden track in the new DT album will be a brand new LTE song... ;D
Or maybe they are not recording a DT album at all :omg:
That would be the most dramatic...
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Gotta hand it over to DT, we haven't gone as crazy as I've seen us go, but they only posted a picture of a blurred bald-headed man in the studio and everyone's mind is already jumping to all sorts of places :lol
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How about Bruce Willis? Or Howie Mandel? Or Jens Kidman? Or Britney Spears in bald? :justjen
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Perhaps James finally admitted defeat and shaved his head.
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It's Paul Schaffer. They're recording his laughter as a fire alarm for one of their songs.
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Perhaps James finally admitted defeat and shaved his head.
But he already cut his hair short once so it wouldn't be that much of a shock.
Guys. What if it's JMX. With a shaved head. In white.
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Guys. What if it's JMX. With a shaved head. In white.
It would be too much to take for DT fans and there would be heartattacks all around the world. :dangerwillrobinson:
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Guys. What if it's JMX. With a shaved head. In white.
It would be too much to take for DT fans and there would be heartattacks all around the world. :dangerwillrobinson:
I don't think I would recognize him. He would just be a random asian guy photobombing their promo pics.
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^So he'd be like Syd Barrett when he visited Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here sessions?
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What if Mike Portnoy visited them with his head shaved? They might even do a Pink Floyd cover called "Spit on, you crazy camel".
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So, hidden track in the new DT album will be a brand new LTE song... ;D
Or maybe they are not recording a DT album at all :omg:
That would be the most dramatic...
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_3297_1359762177.png)
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What if Mike Portnoy visited them with his head shaved? They might even do a Pink Floyd cover called "Spit on, you crazy camel".
:lol
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Watch my comment end up on blabbermouth
:rollin
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :rollin
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So apparently JR is now at Rock N Roll Fantasy Camp.
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So apparently JR is now at Rock N Roll Fantasy Camp.
Making smores with Mike Portnoy and Alice Cooper should prove to be interesting.
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Or not.
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So apparently JR is now at Rock N Roll Fantasy Camp.
Making smores with Mike Portnoy and Alice Cooper should prove to be interesting.
:metal
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So apparently JR is now at Rock N Roll Fantasy Camp.
Making smores with Mike Portnoy and Alice Cooper should prove to be interesting.
A christian and two jews go to a fantasy camp...
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So apparently JR is now at Rock N Roll Fantasy Camp.
Making smores with Mike Portnoy and Alice Cooper should prove to be interesting.
A christian and two jews go to a fantasy camp...
EVERYONE SURVIVED!
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Hopefully the suck and gay is absent.
Those were actually the "Cookie Monster" and "INVENTORY" tracks...
Long story short, they're gone now. :tup
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Awww common it was a joke! I'm actually one of the fans who wasn't really bothered by the cookie monster vocals. hahaha.
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In that case, I reluctantly retract....... :alwayswatching: :lol
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In that case, I reluctantly retract....... :alwayswatching: :lol
Don't pretend like it didn't make you chuckle.. ;)
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It honestly didn't.
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So apparently JR is now at Rock N Roll Fantasy Camp.
Making smores with Mike Portnoy and Alice Cooper should prove to be interesting.
A christian and two jews go to a fantasy camp...
....wrecked'm, nearly killed 'em.
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Awww common it was a joke! I'm actually one of the fans who wasn't really bothered by the cookie monster vocals. hahaha.
I'll never get why people think "common" is pronounced " Come on " ...
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Awww common it was a joke! I'm actually one of the fans who wasn't really bothered by the cookie monster vocals. hahaha.
I'll never get why people think "common" is pronounced " Come on " ...
It there a link that people who can't spell also listen to cookie monster vocals?! :lol Because if that's the case, I can't spell for beans and I'm no fan of those vocals. :lol
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Awww common it was a joke! I'm actually one of the fans who wasn't really bothered by the cookie monster vocals. hahaha.
I'll never get why people think "common" is pronounced " Come on " ...
It's because of the way I said it in my head. It's hard to explain. I'd have to explain it in person. But trust me, I'm well aware that the word "common" and the phrase "come on" are two different things.
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First studio pic featuring human beings :D
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/644223_10151270718577181_1292985663_n.jpg)
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First studio pic featuring human beings :D
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/644223_10151270718577181_1292985663_n.jpg)
Somhow JLB reminds me of this guy in that picture
(https://www.ilovefraggles.com/fraggle_rock2_1024x768.jpg)
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Okay, I'll bite. What's that wacky effect all over the photo? (in before lens flare)
And who's that with James?
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Okay, I'll bite. What's that wacky effect all over the photo? (in before lens flare)
And who's that with James?
That's Richard Chycki (sound eingineer I believe). ANd they've just been caught in a web.
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Okay, I'll bite. What's that wacky effect all over the photo? (in before lens flare)
And who's that with James?
I'm 99% sure that's Rich Chycki, a.k.a:
(https://carlbegai.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/WinterRosebw.jpg)
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Okay, I'll bite. What's that wacky effect all over the photo? (in before lens flare)
I've never seen the effect before, but I don't like silly effects like that. If you're going to post a photo, post a photo. :getoffmylawn:
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"Damnit, James, stop shedding all over the place before I take pictures!!!"
-Marc.
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"Damnit, James, stop shedding all over the place before I take pictures!!!"
-Marc.
"Meow" - James.
:laugh:
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Why is there cat hair all over the place?
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Why is there cat hair all over the place?
:hefdaddy
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"Damnit, James, stop shedding all over the place before I take pictures!!!"
-Marc.
"Meow" - James.
:laugh:
Why is there cat hair all over the place?
-Marc.
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Okay, I'll bite. What's that wacky effect all over the photo? (in before lens flare)
I've never seen the effect before, but I don't like silly effects like that. If you're going to post a photo, post a photo. :getoffmylawn:
By consensus, it is apparently the "cat hair" filter.
I got into a discussion about that one time, in response to a remark I'd made about Instagram pictures and how no one seems to post "real" photos anymore; they're always these little squares with some effect on them to make them look like bad scans of 40-year-old Polaroids or something. She said that all these effects have brought back some of the fun and given the photographer something "artsy" to work with.
I guess with digital photography (that is, without the somewhat limiting factor of the cost of film), you can now take so many pictures that it gets boring. So you put lame effects on the pictures and publish a bunch of little 4-inch squares that look like old scans, because that's more artsy and fun for the photographer. Never mind that it looks stupid and ruins otherwise perfectly good photographs.
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First studio pic featuring human beings :D
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/644223_10151270718577181_1292985663_n.jpg)
I just have to say, that equipment next to JLB looks awesome with that effect O.O
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First studio pic featuring human beings :D
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/644223_10151270718577181_1292985663_n.jpg)
And that's the same place from where James welcomed MM into the....FAMILY
(and since i'm taking those memories back, has anyone ever answered why they decided to re-do that call in the studio when MM was already with them? Actually all the post auditions part, and pre MM call, was done into the studio in January, or february)
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Yeah! Good catch Francé! I didn't notice before but the place looked rather familiar to me. Now I know why!
And as for the made-up call scene, I said it immediately that it couldn't be original footage on DT's part, using the most incontrovertible of all possible arguements: James's Hair Lenght. :lol (Milena, be proud of me)
Yet, my comment was ignored back then :\
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Yet, my comment was ignored back then :\
Oh, don't complain Marco. I'm still ignored most of time :)
Also, not just James's Hair Length was different, but even JP's beard.
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Is this some new kind of Kirlian photography?
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I could do without the effect, cause James looks rather :heart :blush :biggrin:
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I could do without the effect, cause James looks rather :heart :blush :biggrin:
And out of the 8354 posts that you made, Debra, there are 8353 stating how much you find JLB gorgeous. Now, call that an obsession! ;D
B.Lee
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Oh, but there's one post when we were arguing about MP's height.............!
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I could do without the effect, cause James looks rather :heart :blush :biggrin:
And out of the 8354 posts that you made, Debra, there are 8353 stating how much you find JLB gorgeous. Now, call that an obsession! ;D
B.Lee
Oh, but of course! :P :D :lol
Oh, but there's one post when we were arguing about MP's height.............!
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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First studio pic featuring human beings :D
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/644223_10151270718577181_1292985663_n.jpg)
You're right Wasteland, they really look like spiderwebs.
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An image effect that looks like they're caught in a web? As if Spiderman had been there?
As if the ADTOE/IAW connection wasn't obvious enough, here's some solid evidence for the DT12/Awake theory before we've even heard the music.
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Would you please tell me more about this theory?
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Marco #2, green text usually means sarcasm around here in DTF land. :)
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As if the ADTOE/IAW connection wasn't obvious enough, here's some solid evidence for the DT12/Awake theory before we've even heard the music.
Yeah, from now on DT will only rehash their old albums - when they record the next one they'll post a pic of Desmond Child in the studio.
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As if the ADTOE/IAW connection wasn't obvious enough, here's some solid evidence for the DT12/Awake theory before we've even heard the music.
Yeah, from now on DT will only rehash their old albums - when they record the next one they'll post a pic of Desmond Child in the studio.
But will they make it past rehashing album #8, or will they get trapped inside the Octavarium?
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:lol :rollin :lol
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Marco #2, green text usually means sarcasm around here in DTF land. :)
Thanks Debra. I was already setting the table for some tasty theory, but sounds like I'll starve a little bit longer.
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Just take that bacon from the other thread and you'll be okey dokey. :lol
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As if the ADTOE/IAW connection wasn't obvious enough, here's some solid evidence for the DT12/Awake theory before we've even heard the music.
Yeah, from now on DT will only rehash their old albums - when they record the next one they'll post a pic of Desmond Child in the studio.
But will they make it past rehashing album #8, or will they get trapped inside the Octavarium?
actually it would be called Hexadecavarium for album #16. :D
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:rollin
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Holy Daim :omg:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/66669_10151271930602181_1890942297_n.jpg)
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Stop with the effects pleaseeee pleaseeeee. It's like my mom playing with frames and other picture editing on her first phone years ago.
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Come on, this one was actually visually cool! :laugh:
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It looks like he is hiding underneath the keyboard. Did JP start bench-pressing James again?
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It looks like he is hiding underneath the keyboard. Did JP start bench-pressing James again?
? :biggrin:
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JR uploading a picture with a needlessly stupid effect on ?
What's wrong with just uploading a pic for everyone to see jR ?
Oh no - you have to be the TECH guy - gotta show everyone that you love your gadgets and gizmos !
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How about just letting them post pictures of themselves the way they like them instead? :)
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As if the ADTOE/IAW connection wasn't obvious enough, here's some solid evidence for the DT12/Awake theory before we've even heard the music.
Only makes sense seeing as there's a new Spider-man.
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I think it's all still part of the build-up. First we only got pictures of the equipment. Some had the occassional hand showing or whatever. Then a pic with a blurry person in the background. Now pictures of the guys, but obscured by effects. They're building the suspense or something.
I think we will eventually get pictures of them, but they have to mess with us a little more first.
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As if the ADTOE/IAW connection wasn't obvious enough, here's some solid evidence for the DT12/Awake theory before we've even heard the music.
Only makes sense seeing as there's a new Spider-man.
Don't forget that Mike Mangini is in the writing process this time, so they will probably want to open the album showing what he is capable of! Maybe with a drum intro or something... ::)
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As if the ADTOE/IAW connection wasn't obvious enough, here's some solid evidence for the DT12/Awake theory before we've even heard the music.
Only makes sense seeing as there's a new Spider-man.
Don't forget that Mike Mangini is in the writing process this time, so they will probably want to open the album showing what he is capable of! Maybe with a drum intro or something... ::)
Or they could just introduce the album with a heavy track(perhaps the one with the "algebra"), instead of referring too much to Awake..
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Hopefully they do a crazy instrumental on this one !! :omg:
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Hopefully they do a crazy instrumental on this one !! :omg:
Welcome aboard :)
If they feel like it is complimentary to the album structure/concept, then why not! But I don't think they should make one just for the sake of it (not that they will, knowing JP and the others) :)
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I wouldn't mind an instrumental if they've got material that naturally lends itself to a solid one. But part of what I loved about ADTOE was that they really wrote good songs where nothing felt at all forced or out of place, and I'm hoping the next album feels the same, whether that means we get an instrumental or not.
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Concept albums tend to lend themselves to one or two instrumentals...
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"Hey guys, we have such an amazing singer, let's write even more music that doesn't utilize him at all!"
Boo instrumentals.
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JR uploading a picture with a needlessly stupid effect on ?
What's wrong with just uploading a pic for everyone to see jR ?
Oh no - you have to be the TECH guy - gotta show everyone that you love your gadgets and gizmos !
but you are not really mad are you
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Hopefully they do a crazy instrumental on this one !! :omg:
Welcome aboard :)
If they feel like it is complimentary to the album structure/concept, then why not! But I don't think they should make one just for the sake of it (not that they will, knowing JP and the others) :)
Thanks, great to be on this forum. I've been a fan for a while now ( in fact I follow them from I&W )but I waited until now because my English isn't so good. :-\ Anyway, a big hello to everyone here :laugh: I didn't want them to do a instrumental because they have to. I only love them go nuts on there instruments once in a while.
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"Hey guys, we have such an amazing singer, let's write even more music that doesn't utilize him at all!"
Boo instrumentals.
Hey, of course James is a hell of a singer and I love what he did on the last album, but with the talent we have in the band I love a instrumental or a instrumental section in a song where they go nuts. I loved ADTOI a lot but 3 ballads was a little to much for me. Hopefully they make a proggy, heavy and melodic album with everything in ballans ( the singing and the instrumental breaks ) :tup Everyone happy then. ;D
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ADTOI
:omg: The new album will be titled "A Dramatic Turn Of Indians" and will feature a 58-minute extended cover of Run To The Hills with a huge instrumental section in seemingly random time sigatures! :dangerwillrobinson:
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ADTOI
:omg: The new album will be titled "A Dramatic Turn Of Indians" and will feature a 58-minute extended cover of Run To The Hills with a huge instrumental section in seemingly random time sigatures! :dangerwillrobinson:
Run to the hills/
Run for your lives/
Run to the hills/
EVERYONE SURVIVED
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Must not have been very good Indians. Just ask (the late General) Custer.
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ADTOI
:omg: The new album will be titled "A Dramatic Turn Of Indians" and will feature a 58-minute extended cover of Run To The Hills with a huge instrumental section in seemingly random time sigatures! :dangerwillrobinson:
Missed that one :blush Saw it after I posted it. I would rather hear them do the trooper with a 75-minute section :biggrin:
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Who wouldn't? :lol :birch:
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Who wouldn't? :lol :birch:
ditto :metal
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Concept albums tend to lend themselves to one or two instrumentals...
Hopefully we won't have to deal with a concept album.
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Concept albums tend to lend themselves to one or two instrumentals...
Hopefully we won't have to deal with a concept album.
Hopefully we will be given the gift of a concept album
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Concept albums tend to lend themselves to one or two instrumentals...
Hopefully we won't have to deal with a concept album.
Hopefully you'll be right unless it's a really really good concept (and I'm sceptical towards this possibility).
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If we're going to fawn over Iron Maiden songs, it must be Hallowed Be Thy Name.
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If we're going to fawn over Iron Maiden songs, it must be Powerslave.
FTFY
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If we're going to fawn over Iron Maiden songs, it must be Powerslave.
FTFY
:hefdaddy
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Okay, I'll bite. What's that wacky effect all over the photo? (in before lens flare)
And who's that with James?
Not sure who is with James, but the photoshop plugin is called fractalis by Redfield.
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Whoa, a real answer. Thanks!
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If we're going to fawn over Iron Maiden songs, it must be Powerslave.
FTFY
:hefdaddy
BLASPHEMY!
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Okay, I'll bite. What's that wacky effect all over the photo? (in before lens flare)
And who's that with James?
That's Richard Chycki (sound eingineer I believe).
Yes, I do believe that is him, even though he looks quite a bit older than he did back in his Winter Rose days.
But is he the sound engineer for the whole album now? Cause last time it was only for the vocals, right?
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Yes, I'm fairly sure he took over Paul Northfiele role for this record. :tup
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BLASPHEMY!
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_3297_1359762177.png)
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BLASPHEMY!
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_3297_1359762177.png)
Why so constipated Deb? ;)
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(https://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/ResultsMayVary10/acoustic-track-chycki-dt_zpsd758dfc9.png)
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(https://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/ResultsMayVary10/acoustic-track-chycki-dt_zpsd758dfc9.png)
*is stunned*
moar acoustic gtrs, pls :blush
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Yeah, baby! :tup
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Sweet! :tup
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Awesome! :tup
-Marc.
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Aceeeeeeee!
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WHATWHATWHAT.
I am okay with this.
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HAPPY FACE
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OMG THAT IS SO EXCITING BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS IF EVERY OTHER DREAM THEATER ALBUM HAS ACOUSTIC ON IT TOO!
OMG I hope they have some vocals on this album too!
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^ B-bu-but... "Results are stunning"!
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I hope this album has more acoustics than ever.
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OMG THAT IS SO EXCITING BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS IF EVERY OTHER DREAM THEATER ALBUM HAS ACOUSTIC ON IT TOO!
OMG I hope they have some vocals on this album too!
But they've actually said something specific :lol this begins the flow of actual information. Or at least that's how I see it.
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OMG THAT IS SO EXCITING BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS IF EVERY OTHER DREAM THEATER ALBUM HAS ACOUSTIC ON IT TOO!
OMG I hope they have some vocals on this album too!
But they've actually said something specific :lol this begins the flow of actual information. Or at least that's how I see it.
That's not what I'd call specific. You could have safely assumed there was going to be some acoustic on it. It indicates progress, which is great of course, but it doesn't tell us anything new.
Now, if they'd said "Just recorded some banjo tracks for the new album", THEN we'd have something! :metal
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I don't recall acoustic guitars on Train Of Thought. :-X
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OMG THAT IS SO EXCITING BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS IF EVERY OTHER DREAM THEATER ALBUM HAS ACOUSTIC ON IT TOO!
OMG I hope they have some vocals on this album too!
But they've actually said something specific :lol this begins the flow of actual information. Or at least that's how I see it.
Now, if they'd said "Just recorded some banjo tracks for the new album", THEN we'd have something! :metal
Have you not heard the ending of Pull Me Under?
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I don't recall acoustic guitars on Train Of Thought. :-X
Endless Sacrifice
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OMG THAT IS SO EXCITING BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS IF EVERY OTHER DREAM THEATER ALBUM HAS ACOUSTIC ON IT TOO!
OMG I hope they have some vocals on this album too!
But they've actually said something specific :lol this begins the flow of actual information. Or at least that's how I see it.
Now, if they'd said "Just recorded some banjo tracks for the new album", THEN we'd have something! :metal
Have you not heard the ending of Pull Me Under?
Mine has a flute solo. ???
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Interesting...
Clearly you don't have the original John Myung mix included as a bonus track on Jelly Jam.
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I don't recall acoustic guitars on Train Of Thought. :-X
Endless Sacrifice
Thank you. :)
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I don't recall acoustic guitars on Train Of Thought. :-X
Endless Sacrifice
You can hear a clean electric guitar on the top of the acoustic one, though (correct me if I'm wrong).
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I don't recall acoustic guitars on Train Of Thought. :-X
Endless Sacrifice
You can hear a clean electric guitar on the top of the acoustic one, though (correct me if I'm wrong).
Still two separate tracks though. It's not one track like the piezo/clean split for the intro to ITNOG
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Why so constipated Deb? ;)
That is SO not the case. Wait... WHAT?! :blush
:ontome:
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I thought those clean guitar parts on endless Sacrifice and ITNOG was electric guitar, or at the very least electric-acoustic S/FX. You can't have acoustic guitar on TRAIN OF THOUGHT that was their heavy abum :metal (pianos and cellos were ok though)
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(pianos and cellos were ok though)
hypocrite
JK
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(pianos and cellos were ok though)
hypocrite
JK
Is he holding you at bay?
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AND I DON'T NEED YOUR
MERCY FUCK SYMPAAAATHAAAAYYYYYYYYYY TO GET ME THROUGH THE DAAAYYYYAAAHHHH
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https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/306500092670656512
LaBrie solo album. :yarr
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https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/306500092670656512
LaBrie solo album. :yarr
I am definitely looking forward to that, possibly just as much as I am the next Dream Theater album. I just can't get enough of Static Impulse lately. :metal
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https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/306500092670656512
LaBrie solo album. :yarr
I am looking forward to this so much more than DT.
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Well I am looking forward to it almost as much but slightly less than the new DT album
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https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/306500092670656512
LaBrie solo album. :yarr
Nice! Can't wait!
A DT album AND a JLB album in a single year? Every other band in the world could take a vacation, and it would still be considered a fantastic year in terms of music.
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https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/306500092670656512
LaBrie solo album. :yarr
Nice! Can't wait!
A DT album AND a JLB album in a single year? Every other band in the world could take a vacation, and it would still be considered a fantastic year in terms of music.
Shouldn't we be getting a JP solo album soon, as well, or should I just give up on that idea for now? :lol
Also, a JR solo album this year would be awesome, considering how much new gear he has. I'd love another covers album, to be honest, but an album of originals (with tons of guests) would be cool too!
-Marc.
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Forgot about those. Damn, if we get those as well, I think my head would explode.
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On top of those, we have a Haken album coming out AND a Black Sabbath album with Ozzy. This is going to the best music year for me ever. :caffeine:
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JR is making a guest appearance on the New Frost* album.
Im just saying.
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JR is making a guest appearance on the New Frost* album.
Im just saying.
There's a new Frost* album?? sweet. Dividing Line is one of the best prog songs ever. I hope it's like that. Add JR and it sounds really promising.
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https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/306500092670656512
LaBrie solo album. :yarr
Is he recording his new solo album and the new DT album at the same time?
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https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/306500092670656512 (https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/306500092670656512)
LaBrie solo album. :yarr
:CJS:
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https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/306500092670656512
LaBrie solo album. :yarr
Is he recording his new solo album and the new DT album at the same time?
Dunno, maybe he'll only join DT guys on studio when they're done writing/recording instrumentals. I don't know what's the scheme.
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Are DT done with the recording already? Have we gotten any word about it being finished?
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Are DT done with the recording already? Have we gotten any word about it being finished?
No way, it's too early. I would say that they will end that phase around April. It's been a little more than a month since they entered the studio...
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James finished recording vocals for ADTOE in late May 2011 (https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/73871483277033473) and the schedule will probably be similar so it isn't likely to be ready until the end of Spring.
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Dream Theater finished writing ADTOE in March of 2011. They have been in the studio since January (same for ADTOE), so if they follow the same schedule, we can expect them to finish writing this month and then they will re-record everything for the final product.
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:O Which means the album is likely nearing it's writing completion!! :D :metal :yarr :caffeine: :corn
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They actually finished ADTOE writing sessions on March 2nd.
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We could sneak in the studio and prepare a surprise party for the wrapping of the writing sessions :lol
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^^ Four days left then, nice! :metal
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A DT album AND a JLB album in a single year? Every other band in the world could take a vacation, and it would still be considered a fantastic year in terms of music.
And a DT live DVD. They're certainly on a roll this year!
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Another highlight on the road to DT12 will of course be the announcement of the Dream Theater drummer in late April. Even if it's still Mangini, they should still announce that he is the drummer. Just to reassure us.
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Every 28 April will be, starting 2013, marked with the release of a lenghty documentary where it will be shown DT calling MM at the most impossible hours or situations to welcome him to the family.
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The Spirit Still Carries On
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The Spirit Still Carries On Carrying On
FTFY :biggrin:
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Thanks to wasteland for the fix.
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Every 28 April will be, starting 2013, marked with the release of a lenghty documentary where it will be shown DT calling MM at the most impossible hours or situations to welcome him to the family.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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:omg: Oh My Gawwwd you guys...
I am on the Throoooooooooone.
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https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/306500092670656512
LaBrie solo album. :yarr
Is he recording his new solo album and the new DT album at the same time?
Dunno, maybe he'll only join DT guys on studio when they're done writing/recording instrumentals. I don't know what's the scheme.
He will be recording both albums at the same time, according to this: https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/289784777979097089
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https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/306500092670656512
LaBrie solo album. :yarr
Is he recording his new solo album and the new DT album at the same time?
Dunno, maybe he'll only join DT guys on studio when they're done writing/recording instrumentals. I don't know what's the scheme.
He will be recording both albums at the same time, according to this: https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/289784777979097089
He's definitely a lady-pleaser, he knows how to multi-task :neverusethis:
hi milena
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Good to know... It will be a busy couple of months for him, but hopefully it will pay off. :tup
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https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/306500092670656512
LaBrie solo album. :yarr
Is he recording his new solo album and the new DT album at the same time?
Dunno, maybe he'll only join DT guys on studio when they're done writing/recording instrumentals. I don't know what's the scheme.
He will be recording both albums at the same time, according to this: https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/289784777979097089
He's definitely a lady-pleaser, he knows how to multi-task :neverusethis:
hi milena
Ehahaha :D
That's actually super-awesome and I love that.
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https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/306500092670656512
LaBrie solo album. :yarr
Is he recording his new solo album and the new DT album at the same time?
Dunno, maybe he'll only join DT guys on studio when they're done writing/recording instrumentals. I don't know what's the scheme.
He will be recording both albums at the same time, according to this: https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/289784777979097089
He's definitely a lady-pleaser, he knows how to multi-task :neverusethis:
hi milena
Ehahaha :D
That's actually super-awesome and I love that.
Haven't yet met that girl who doesn't like to be pleased so...... why wouldn't you love that?! :biggrin: :lol
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Haven't yet met that girl who doesn't like to be pleased so...... why wouldn't you love that?! :biggrin: :lol
I meant the RECORDING :rollin
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:lol :lol :lol
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The recording of getting pleased? :zydar:
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:blush I think it's time for this little girl to withdraw from the conversation.
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:blush I think it's time for this little girl to withdraw from the conversation.
Withdraw? Isn't that supposed to be a man's act? ;) :rollin
B.Lee
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:blush I think it's time for this little girl to withdraw from the conversation.
Withdraw? Isn't that supposed to be a man's act? ;) :rollin
B.Lee
I have two good Lie quotes that fit this moment.
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:blush I think it's time for this little girl to withdraw from the conversation.
Withdraw? Isn't that supposed to be a man's act? ;) :rollin
B.Lee
I have two good Lie quotes that fit this moment.
"I won't, I swear I won't"?
"It's a wonder I can still breathe"?
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"Things are getting just a little bit scary..."
"I don't wanna scare her away..."
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Oh ;D
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:blush I think it's time for this little girl to withdraw from the conversation.
Withdraw? Isn't that supposed to be a man's act? ;) :rollin
B.Lee
I have two good Lie quotes that fit this moment.
"I won't, I swear I won't"?
"It's a wonder I can still breathe"?
"And I won't get out
'til I figure it out "
Found only one.
B.Lee
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"But nothing breaks like a broken penis"
:neverusethis:
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"But nothing breaks like a broken penis"
:neverusethis:
It's a "Lie". The penis is not a bone, it can't break ;). and you changed a word to serve your purpose. "I'll never trust you again!" ;D
B.Lee
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"But nothing breaks like a broken penis"
:neverusethis:
It's a "Lie". The penis is not a bone, it can't break ;). and you changed a word to serve your purpose. "I'll never trust you again!" ;D
B.Lee
It can't break like a bone, but something similar can happen.
Anyway, let's get back IT... :blush
Do we know if this time around they decided to write all the album and then record or writing and recording each song one by one?
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I would hope write all then record all. That way they have more time to fine tune the songs and make changes.
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"But nothing breaks like a broken penis"
:neverusethis:
It's a "Lie". The penis is not a bone, it can't break ;). and you changed a word to serve your purpose. "I'll never trust you again!" ;D
B.Lee
Is it ok to change one letter? :biggrin:
"You tell me about your two more cuming
But once is just enough for me" :zydar:
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Dunno. What I don't know either is if JLB is recording his vocals at home like for ADToE (in any case, as he's recording his vocals for his solo album too, it would be more comfortable that way).
B.Lee
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"But nothing breaks like a broken penis"
:neverusethis:
It's a "Lie". The penis is not a bone, it can't break ;). and you changed a word to serve your purpose. "I'll never trust you again!" ;D
B.Lee
Is it ok to change one letter? :biggrin:
"You tell me about your two more cuming
But once is just enough for me" :zydar:
Yeah, I had thought about that one too! :rollin
B.Lee
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"But nothing breaks like a broken penis"
:neverusethis:
It's a "Lie". The penis is not a bone, it can't break ;). and you changed a word to serve your purpose. "I'll never trust you again!" ;D
B.Lee
It can't break like a bone, but something similar can happen.
Rupture.
Just remember Deep Purple's LP Rupture of the deep.
Oh, yes, it then becomes deep purple....... :biggrin:
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This forum's getting weirder every day. I'm not complaining, I'm loving it. :lol
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Dunno. What I don't know either is if JLB is recording his vocals at home like for ADToE (in any case, as he's recording his vocals for his solo album too, it would be more comfortable that way).
B.Lee
Well, last time, Richard Chycki was the recording engineer for the vocals when JLB recorded them in Canada. This time, Chycki is the recording engineer for the whole album, so I dunno... Does that mean they're all in New York? Or that DT is recording here in Canada? I mean, I doubt it, but...
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DT is in New York City as what looks like Cove City Sound Studios.
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DT is in New York City as what looks like Cove City Sound Studios.
Including James, I assume?
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DT is in New York City as what looks like Cove City Sound Studios.
Including James, I assume?
Yes, for the new album writing sessions. Although, from what I understand, when DT is putting down scratch tracks and recording instruments, James is recording vocals on his solo record.
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Unless of course, if James is actively writing tambourine parts with the guys.
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Does anyone think there will be a JR-only song or a JLB-only song on DT12, or any future DT album? For example, JP had Beneath the Surface, Wither, etc... I'd like to see at least one song solely written by Jordan or James on the next album.
Unless that already happened with Far From Heaven, since it's only Jordan and James on that song.
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Far From Heaven probably came out of writing Breaking All Illusions as a band. I bet we'll see another JP song, but I don't know about anyone else.
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It would be cool to see a song only written by two or three members excluding JP. Not that I dislike JP's writing at all, since he's the core writer along with JR, but Vacant was really awesome with just JR and JM contributing, it would offer a nice uniqueness.
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I think you are right. I would stimulate diversity and positive conflict within the album. A record needs to be coherent within itself, but not without turns or stylistic variations.
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:omg: Oh My Gawwwd you guys...
I am on the Throoooooooooone.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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:omg: Oh My Gawwwd you guys...
I am on the Throoooooooooone.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
:heart :heart :heart :hefdaddy
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:omg: Oh My Gawwwd you guys...
I am on the Throoooooooooone.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
I guess no one else got it. :lol
:heart :heart :heart :hefdaddy
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This forum's getting weirder every day. I'm not complaining, I'm loving it. :lol
Same here. :metal
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We haven't had an update on the album or the DVD in a while now !
.. ( no thanks to DT or OTE for the lack of facts...)
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We haven't had an update on the album or the DVD in a while now !
.. ( no thanks to DT or OTE for the lack of facts...)
Thanks to Kotoboy for sending us over the edge with these facts!
Did I do that right? :biggrin:
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We are certainly inside of two months until the release and we don't have a date yet. Why do I have the feeling that its going to be pushed back?
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We are certainly inside of two months until the release and we don't have a date yet. Why do I have the feeling that its going to be pushed back?
Are you talking of the DVD? ???
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Yes. It was allegedly supposed to be released in May.
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Oh, I know that all to well, but this is not the best thread to introduce the problem, is it? ;)
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If you read the posts above mine, it wouldn't have be hard to determine what I meant. ;)
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A bad habit of mine. I beg your pardon :blush
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I can't copy the link because my computer is dumb, but JR posted a pic on his twitter earlier today, and it was a track listing for something, and it said "What is this madness?" Could it be the new material?! It certainly looks like it could by the looks of the track lengths!
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It rather looks like a tracklist from somebody else's album :biggrin:
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I can't copy the link because my computer is dumb, but JR posted a pic on his twitter earlier today, and it was a track listing for something, and it said "What is this madness?" Could it be the new material?! It certainly looks like it could by the looks of the track lengths!
https://ow.ly/i/1CeGS/original (https://ow.ly/i/1CeGS/original)
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I would be surprised if those were the track lengths for the new album, it's an hour of music and songs seem to be very short for DT standards. But I wouldn't mind if that was the actual track listing. :metal
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I would be surprised if those were the track lengths for the new album, it's an hour of music and songs seem to be very short for DT standards. But I wouldn't mind if that was the actual track listing. :metal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exai
:laugh:
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Man, you're fast! :lol How did you figure this out? :smiley:
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I just googled AUTECHRE :lol
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It's hilarious how I guessed those were some lazy random working titles and they turned out to be actual names. :lol
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And it clearly said Autechre at the top........
If i'm not mistaken - Autechre are / were on Warp. The same label as Aphex Twin and Squarepusher.
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An Ambient, IDM band.....will they be inspired by them....i hope so.
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An Ambient, IDM band.....will they be inspired by them....i hope so.
Ben, you know how much I love your new avatar. I can hear Leela screaming. :lol
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Jordan Rudess: My keyboard system has something small and mighty in it here at the DT recording sessions! https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigkeys/
::)
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Kevin Moore would need something smaller.
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plain and simple, stoked to hear writing process with Mangini involved.
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Remove..
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Most likely sequencer / patch names.
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(https://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/150465_10151294709937181_2061897577_n.jpg)
I think I need professional help now... I zoomed the image anf found this name, Nick Moritz, so I googled it and found his soundcloud page. Some of his sounds are named Alchemy Texture, and as you can see, that name is also on Jordan's laptop. So, here are some samples that may be included in DT12: https://soundcloud.com/nickmoritz/sets/tutorial-samples-alchemy
Creepy.
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Those sound massive, I hope they show up.
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Wow, those are great samples! They would fit a bass breakdown during a proggy song, just before a wider instrumental section.
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I wanted to zoom in and stalk but I just knew someone who got up earlier did the detective work instead :lol Nice find, dude.
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Nest, you have my (irrelevant) premission to add "official (or resident, if you like the word better) DTF detective" to your personal title text :biggrin:
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Yeah, thats some really cool samples, I hope they show up too.
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Nest, you have my (irrelevant) premission to add "official (or resident, if you like the word better) DTF detective" to your personal title text :biggrin:
Your words are orders, sir :laugh:
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Nest, you have my (irrelevant) premission to add "official (or resident, if you like the word better) DTF detective" to your personal title text :biggrin:
Your words are orders, sir :laugh:
It's cooler if you put it right below your username :D
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Nice depth and complexity.
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Love those ambient type of sounds. Hope those will be used in some way.
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Love those ambient type of sounds. Hope those will be used in some way.
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Too lazy to research very much.
Another DTF member does the work.
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/DTF/manginikarma_zps4ea7cd8e.jpg)
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Ripping guitar solo = amazing. Keyboard player charting it and playing a double by sight reading = mind blown.
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Ripping guitar solo = amazing. Keyboard player charting it and playing a double by sight reading = mind blown.
What does he mean exactly by saying "ripping guitar solo"? :justjen
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Ripping guitar solo = amazing. Keyboard player charting it and playing a double by sight reading = mind blown.
What does he mean exactly by saying "ripping guitar solo"? :justjen
I think that he means "ultra fast" guitar solo. Hence is mind blown. Just my 2 cents.
B.Lee
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Ripping guitar solo = amazing. Keyboard player charting it and playing a double by sight reading = mind blown.
What does he mean exactly by saying "ripping guitar solo"? :justjen
"Ripping" is just a generic raaaaawwwwkkk superlative. So it's good and likely at least somewhat technical (hence the marveling at JR's sightreading).
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Ripping guitar solo = amazing. Keyboard player charting it and playing a double by sight reading = mind blown.
What does he mean exactly by saying "ripping guitar solo"? :justjen
"Ripping" is just a generic raaaaawwwwkkk superlative. So it's good and likely at least somewhat technical (hence the marveling at JR's sightreading).
Yes, didn't think about this one.
B.Lee
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This comment made me irrationally afraid of us getting a second Train Of Thought, which would likely displease me. :sadpanda:
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This comment made me irrationally afraid of us getting a second Train Of Thought, which would likely displease me. :sadpanda:
Just relax. All of DTs records has had a ripping guitarsolo. :smiley:
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Yeah, I know that very well. Which is why I stayed bummed for just a few seconds :)
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This comment made me irrationally afraid of us getting a second Train Of Thought, which would likely displease me. :sadpanda:
And the overanalysis begins.... :lol
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Over-analyzing a comment about a ripping guitar solo. Only on DTFTM :heart
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This comment made me irrationally afraid of us getting a second Train Of Thought, which would likely displease me. :sadpanda:
And the overanalysis begins.... :lol
Pssshhhht, it had begun 29 pages ago with the first JP interview-tidbit, where have you been :angel:
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Over-analyzing a comment about a ripping guitar solo. Only on DTFTM :heart
Yup. :lol
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This comment made me irrationally afraid of us getting a second Train Of Thought, which would likely displease me. :sadpanda:
And the overanalysis begins.... :lol
Welcome to the wasteland
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Ripping guitar solo = amazing. Keyboard player charting it and playing a double by sight reading = mind blown.
What does he mean exactly by saying "ripping guitar solo"? :justjen
"Ripping" is just a generic raaaaawwwwkkk superlative. So it's good and likely at least somewhat technical (hence the marveling at JR's sightreading).
He could also mean: JP shows a fast guitar lead/line that he has written and plays from his mind! JR plays the same lead/line on keyboard from a chart by JP (probably for the first time) and sightreads it flawlessly. Hence the new level: mind = blown.
Sry if that was what you meant!
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A "ripping" guitar solo clearly means that it's so fast that it ripped a hole in the space time continuum, creating a time dilation field around the offices of Over The Edge, causing time to progress at a 1:4 ratio of time relative to us, resulting in major delays in getting news about the DVD/Bluray.
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A "ripping" guitar solo clearly means that it's so fast that it ripped a hole in the space time continuum, creating a time dilation field around the offices of Over The Edge, causing time to progress at a 1:4 ratio of time relative to us, resulting in major delays in getting news about the DVD/Bluray.
Leave it to a Star Trek fan....... :lol
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A "ripping" guitar solo clearly means that it's so fast that it ripped a hole in the space time continuum, creating a time dilation field around the offices of Over The Edge, causing time to progress at a 1:4 ratio of time relative to us, resulting in major delays in getting news about the DVD/Bluray.
Leave it to a Star Trek fan....... :lol
I don't know why, but I think it's a very solid explanation... :hat thanks to over the edge...
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A "ripping" guitar solo clearly means that it's so fast that it ripped a hole in the space time continuum, creating a time dilation field around the offices of Over The Edge, causing time to progress at a 1:4 ratio of time relative to us, resulting in major delays in getting news about the DVD/Bluray.
Entirely agreeable, I can live with this.
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Surely it's about time we got some kind of YouTube report or something? Come on Jordan you are failing us!!
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So I guess I'm the only one avoiding this place like the plague until May?
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Surely it's about time we got some kind of YouTube report or something? Come on Jordan you are failing us!!
Yeah i've been thinking about this, it seems that every DT member has some other stuff going on besides DT, like Jordan who is involved in a new app and a new instrument, James probably doing some work for his solo stuff, MM has an instructional DVD coming as well, so they might not be in the studio all the time.
But they are quite silent this time, especially JR.
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It's so they don't give away who the new drummer is.
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Maybe they're writing/recording some kind of concept album and they don't want to give anything away. :biggrin:
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It's so they don't give away who the new drummer is.
It's Octomom.
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Oh please god no.
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It's so they don't give away who the new drummer is.
It's Octomom.
TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTOMOMIUM.
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Nothing get's trapped inside Octomom. :lol
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Nothing get's trapped inside Octomom. :lol
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/babyfunny.gif)
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A "ripping" guitar solo clearly means that it's so fast that it ripped a hole in the space time continuum, creating a time dilation field around the offices of Over The Edge, causing time to progress at a 1:4 ratio of time relative to us, resulting in major delays in getting news about the DVD/Bluray.
It's so they don't give away who the new drummer is.
It's Octomom.
TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTOMOMIUM.
Nothing get's trapped inside Octomom. :lol
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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EXCELLENT!
While in the studio we want to answer your questions. Please tweet us a question on Twitter (@dreamtheaternet) and we may answer it in a upcoming video interview!
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Now, some good questions!! Are you there, DTFers?? I don't have a Twitter account so it's up to you. Hope to see something DVD related, or album related questions.
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1. ADTOE was a classic DT album, what is going to be different in the upcoming one?Are you trying new things this time?
2.how much difference does the involvement of Mike Mangini make in the writing process?
3.Is James going to record his vocals in the same studio as the other guys, or is he going to do it like in ADTOE?
These are my contributions so far. I hope they choose one of them at least.
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Will The Canadian Rap finally make its studio debut?
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Will The Bostonian Rap finally make its studio debut?
Gonna give it to my TOOOOOONE, yeah
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If anyone has questions but no Twitter account, post them here and I'll ask them through the DTF account.
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12 STRING GUITAR
(https://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/581672_529044167147600_802897809_n.jpg)
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ACOUSTIC STUFF :D :metal
NEED SOME STUDIO UPDATES AND SNIPPETS, its like going cold turkey.
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I like JP's gameface.
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WHERE ARE HIS EYEBROWS :lol
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ACOUSTIC STUFF :D :metal
NEED SOME STUDIO UPDATES AND SNIPPETS, its like going cold turkey.
BLABBERMOUTH headline: DREAM THEATER'S 13TH STUDIO EFFORT WILL BE NAMED "HOT TURKEY"
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WHERE ARE HIS EYEBROWS :lol
They burned off when he set one of his guitars on fire due to excessive friction.
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Will The Bostonian Rap finally make its studio debut?
Gonna give it to my TOOOOOONE, yeah
:lol
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He also looks less ripped than he has ever looked in the past eight years. Weird angles can perform miracles :D
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I'm just curious how this album will differ in terms of sound from their previous works.
I think every DT album has a distinct sound, and something different about it, even if some people claim that the past few have all 'sounded the same'. So I'm curious as to what this one will be like.
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I'm just curious how this album will differ in terms of sound from their previous works.
I think every DT album has a distinct sound, and something different about it, even if some people claim that the past few have all 'sounded the same'. So I'm curious as to what this one will be like.
^this. I don't think that the last few albums sounded the same, but BC&SL and SC both sounded similar to each other and, to a less extent, to ToT.
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Nice to see a 12 string acoustic guitar. :hefdaddy
But it seems I'm struck with some sort of alzheimer :facepalm:, because I can't remember the last time JP used a 12 string acoustic guitar on a studio album. ???
Anyway, can't say I'm less excited after seeing that photo. :metal
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Nice to see a 12 string acoustic guitar. :hefdaddy
But it seems I'm struck with some sort of alzheimer :facepalm:, because I can't remember the last time JP used a 12 string acoustic guitar on a studio album. ???
Anyway, can't say I'm less excited after seeing that photo. :metal
Solitary shell , but i'm not sure it was the last time...
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Wasn't the last time he used a 12 string guitar on Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence for Solitary Shell?
EDIT: Ninja'd
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Octavarium.
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Any possibility of having guest musicians on this album? (Question for the DT twitter)
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Octavarium.
In the song or on the album?
Either way, it could be taken as a good sign. The use of a 12 string usually means something great is on the way. :tup
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He also looks less ripped than he has ever looked in the past eight years. Weird angles can perform miracles :D
I could've believed this as being from the late 90s if it weren't for the receding hairline.
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12-string is on the song Octavarium under the flute during the first vocal section.
But I think he has used 12-string on most albums, although usually just for layers of sound.
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12-string is on the song Octavarium under the flute during the first vocal section.
But I think he has used 12-string on most albums, although usually just for layers of sound.
Yeah. Now that you mention it, it's all coming back to me. ;D
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Speaking of JP's eyebrows, it seems to me someone has had a bit of fun in photoshop. Because I can't see any "bags" under his eyes either. And according to the previous photo on his facebook-page, he should have a pair of it.
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It's just weird lighting, angle and Instagram effects. In other words, DON'T WORRY GUYS, JP STILL HAS EYEBROWS.
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False, JP shredded so hard that he entered killzone mode but the beams of death reflected off one of manginis cymbals and reflected back onto his eyebrows, a previous example of this is where JR lost all his hair...
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The pic of Petrucci on the FB page makes him look sick. His face is drawn in and he just looks weak. Hope it's just that crappy instagram nonsense.
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False, JP shredded so hard that he entered killzone mode but the beams of death reflected off one of manginis cymbals and reflected back onto his eyebrows, a previous example of this is where JR lost all his hair...
Best suggestion by far. :lol :rollin :lol
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False, JP shredded so hard that he entered killzone mode but the beams of death reflected off one of manginis cymbals and reflected back onto his eyebrows, a previous example of this is where JR lost all his hair...
Very nice. :rollin
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Octavarium.
In the song or on the album?
Either way, it could be taken as a good sign. The use of a 12 string usually means something great is on the way. :tup
The song is on the album. lawl
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JP looks as though he's slimmed out a bit in that pic, maybe he's cutting after the bulk he's gained?
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You guys, just saw this BIG news on MM's Facebook page!!
(https://puu.sh/2hnWq)
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Thanks Mike Mangini for the facts!
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Well, I should hope it wouldn't be :( :( :(
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WOW BIG UPDATE, NOW I'M TOTALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS ALBUM!
:hefdaddy
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Please ask more questions guys! Register on twitter if you don't have an account. The more questions we ask, the more interesting information we'll get, I am sure of it!
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My question: Will there be lyrics by Myung this time as well?
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Will you recycle the song structures of Awake this time? :neverusethis:
j/k...
Will there be some new elements or something surprising that we haven't heard from DT before?
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It's not useful to ask for some words on the general musical/lyrical direction of the new album, right? :D
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Ooh, what I really, really want to know is: Are they filming any part of the recording process in the studio for this album? Can we expect any kinds of bonus DVDs or some sort of promotional online in-studio featurettes for this album?
The Systematic Chaos documentary was by far the best bonus disc I've ever seen from any music album. I really wanna see more stuff like that.
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12-string is on the song Octavarium under the flute during the first vocal section.
But I think he has used 12-string on most albums, although usually just for layers of sound.
Yeah. Now that you mention it, it's all coming back to me. ;D
There's a 12 string on " On The Backs Of Angels " intro.
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Its actually 6 string clean electric (with a 6 string clean electric with an effect (phaser?)) and 6 string acoustic with several layers of each to create that 12 string feel.
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The Systematic Chaos documentary was by far the best bonus disc I've ever seen from any music album. I really wanna see more stuff like that.
Yeah, that documentary was great. I'd like to know if they're doing that again too.
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A new documentary would be great.
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I know there's a new documentary on the Luna Park DVD.
They said it was " a kind of follow up to The Spirit Carries On " Documentary.
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I know there's a new documentary on the Luna Park DVD.
They said it was " a kind of follow up to The Spirit Carries On " Documentary.
That's pretty cool, but I'm guessing it's gonna be more similar to the one on the Budokan DVD. I'd really like to see more of the writing and recording process. Anyway, I just wanna know if this new album is gonna have anything of the sort.
EDIT: Oh, something just occurred to me! What's the status on Ytsejam Records? I mean, I know JLB said he was recording all the live shows, and archiving that stuff, and was gonna do something with it. So is there anything on the horizon?
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I haven't heard any news on the Ytsejam Bootlegs but I highly doubt we are going to see something this year. I mean, there's the new live release in May, and a few months later the new release. I would be really suprised if they did release something, but if they do, I would expect something in the end of 2013 or early 2014.
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I haven't heard any news on the Ytsejam Bootlegs but I highly doubt we are going to see something this year. I mean, there's the new live release in May, and a few months later the new release. I would be really suprised if they did release something, but if they do, I would expect something in the end of 2013 or early 2014.
I think they should release something for that in the summer. I mean, their new album will probably come in Septemberish again, like ADTOE, so, I think it would be a great way to kind of hold the fans over while we're all bursting with anticipation.
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I haven't heard any news on the Ytsejam Bootlegs but I highly doubt we are going to see something this year. I mean, there's the new live release in May, and a few months later the new release. I would be really suprised if they did release something, but if they do, I would expect something in the end of 2013 or early 2014.
I think they should release something for that in the summer. I mean, their new album will probably come in Septemberish again, like ADTOE, so, I think it would be a great way to kind of hold the fans over while we're all bursting with anticipation.
But a summer release would overlap with the Live in Luna Park DVD wouldn't? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for an Official Bootleg (long overdue) but from a marketing/sales point of view, I would think they would loose a bit of sales with such a short time in between releases...Unless it's a totally different setlist from the Luna Park release. There's that High Voltage great quality video from that festival. There's some material, but it seems its almost the same as the LIve in Luna DVD
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Luna Park DVD comes out in May. If the album comes out in September, then the bootleg could be released right in between, in mid July or something. I think it's a decent gap.
I mean, we don't know when they'll be starting touring again. If they'll spend another summer doing festivals, then yeah, that might be a little difficult on people's wallets. But if not, then might as well release something to hold us over.
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but they cant rely on all sales being made in the first month of luna park being released. even though thats when the majority are, thats way too close together for people to buy two different concert dvds. just like you wouldn't do a full evening with tour but also do a hour long off date in each city of the tour, whats the sense of that? they want to make money for each product on its own, and each product needs its own release period to actually sell well. just my 2 cents
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Well, it doesn't have to be another concert DVD. It could be a CD of live songs they've done on Dramatic tour, especially the songs that they didn't play at Luna Park.
I mean, personally, I'll be getting the Blu-Ray as soon as it comes out, and I know that half-way through summer, I'm going to want something else from DT to help hold me over until the album comes out. And sure, they might release a single or something, god I hope they do. But I'd love to get something else.
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i just said dvd to be general, but luna park is going to be a cd as well..i mean yes i would love to see high voltage or an early adtoe tour show released, but i just think it wont be this year.
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Well, either way, I'd like to know what the status or the general plans for Ytsejam records are.
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James said that it was just a matter of making sense, with the regard of future release dates. I would be shocked if they wre to release anything before the new album comes out. He sort of implied in the famous interview that thinks would develop that way.
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My question: Will there be lyrics by Myung this time as well?
I also asked that :biggrin:
Maybe that's a typically swedish question hehe
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My question: Will there be lyrics by Myung this time as well?
I also asked that :biggrin:
Maybe that's a typically swedish question hehe
Kanske det ;)
But perhaps it's too early to ask for anything lyric related, I don't know.
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Still, asking the question won't hurt anyone. If it gets a reply, then, it will be all gained. :)
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True.
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James said that it was just a matter of making sense
That quote should honestly enter the DT bible or something. It's an answer to everything :metal
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My question: Will there be lyrics by Myung this time as well?
I also asked that :biggrin:
Maybe that's a typically swedish question hehe
Kanske det ;)
But perhaps it's too early to ask for anything lyric related, I don't know.
I usually have a slight idea what I want the lyrical theme to be when starting to write the music for a song so there is a posibility that it's not to soon if you go simply by if the information exists or not. But then they might not want to tell yet, and then it'll be to soon.
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Notice the new JP picture on facebook. He must have seen all those "not buff" comment's and thrown in a side shot to show off the pipes..... which he still has
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Its actually 6 string clean electric (with a 6 string clean electric with an effect (phaser?)) and 6 string acoustic with several layers of each to create that 12 string feel.
Actually, it's an acoustic guitar using Nashville tuning. That is, he used light gauge strings and tuned the bottom 4 up an octave, to emulate a 12 string. It's on another song too, can't remember which though.
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James said that it was just a matter of making sense
That quote should honestly enter the DT bible or something. It's an answer to everything :metal
Yeah, I'll vote for that. :metal
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James said that it was just a matter of making sense
That quote should honestly enter the DT bible or something. It's an answer to everything :metal
Yeah, I'll vote for that. :metal
It should be a compulsory Sig and on SFAM they should say death is not the end... Only a matter of making sense.
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Actually, it's an acoustic guitar using Nashville tuning. That is, he used light gauge strings and tuned the bottom 4 up an octave, to emulate a 12 string. It's on another song too, can't remember which though.
I didn't even know it was possible to tune the strings on a guitar that high. A full octave up is a lot more tension on the strings, I don't imagine it would be good for the guitar to be in that tuning for very long. The idea is an interesting one though.
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It should be a compulsory Sig and on SFAM they should say death is not the end... Only a matter of making sense.
A suited man smiled and said... It's just a matter of making sense!
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Actually, it's an acoustic guitar using Nashville tuning. That is, he used light gauge strings and tuned the bottom 4 up an octave, to emulate a 12 string. It's on another song too, can't remember which though.
I didn't even know it was possible to tune the strings on a guitar that high. A full octave up is a lot more tension on the strings, I don't imagine it would be good for the guitar to be in that tuning for very long. The idea is an interesting one though.
Which is what the light gauge strings are for, they're made for higher tunings.
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Actually, it's an acoustic guitar using Nashville tuning. That is, he used light gauge strings and tuned the bottom 4 up an octave, to emulate a 12 string. It's on another song too, can't remember which though.
I didn't even know it was possible to tune the strings on a guitar that high. A full octave up is a lot more tension on the strings, I don't imagine it would be good for the guitar to be in that tuning for very long. The idea is an interesting one though.
Which is what the light gauge strings are for, they're made for higher tunings.
This.
Hence when you go for lower tunings why you put at least 11s up to 13s on (depending on the tuning). Requires some adjustments, but not bad for the instrument at all.
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Thanks for the clarification. I would have thought the tension would be a lot higher even with lower gauge, because an octave is quite significant. Shows what I know about guitars though. :loser:
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Wow, DTF is getting technical! :D
How audible is the difference between a proper 12 strings and a 6 strings tuned that way? Do you have exaples? :)
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It's mostly about knowing what to listen for. It's also easier to tell if the guitar is the only instrument being played. Otherwise, it can be tough.
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There was also a video series released shortly after the album where JP shows how to play OTBOA. He specifies how he wrote and recorded it as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqonCm2Jmko
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Geniein'
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Great photo. He looks so serious, so scholarly, with the glasses, headphones, and writing with two pencils at once :metal
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Great photo. He looks so serious, so scholarly, with the glasses, headphones, and writing with two pencils at once :metal
Nah thats just a lunch break pic. It was chinese food day.
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Great photo. He looks so serious, so scholarly, with the glasses, headphones, and writing with two pencils at once :metal
Nah thats just a lunch break pic. It was chinese food day.
I was going to say something like this :lol
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Just another day (see what I did thar :neverusethis: ) at the office.
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Just another day (see what I did thar :neverusethis: ) at the office.
Don't go and Pull this thread Under.
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At least I'll just be lost. Not forgotten.
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But seriously, back to the actual recording process. From all these pictures, I'm really feeling the unity of their five-day sessions.
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At least I'll just be lost. Not forgotten.
Meh, you can die Another Day.
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:lol
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But seriously, back to the actual recording process. From all these pictures, I'm really feeling the unity of their five-day sessions.
Not even once, did I hear the second song.
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They rode the red.
(what did that mean, anyway?)
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They could make a fortune in sales
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Hopefully their imagination isn't asleep in some lyrical coma.
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So both us and Jordan are apparently enjoying making WDADU puns today, because this was captioned "the keyboard hand":
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I wouldn't have taken "the keyboard hand" as anything but a reference to a hand playing the keyboard.
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I wouldn't have taken "the keyboard hand" as anything but a reference to a hand playing the keyboard.
But when he plays the keyboard, he kills :angel:
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However, you can't see another hand in that photo :biggrin:
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I wouldn't have taken "the keyboard hand" as anything but a reference to a hand playing the keyboard.
But when he plays the keyboard, he kills :angel:
You're thinking of Petrucci. Rudess' hands are only used for casting spells. :rudess:
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However, you can't see another hand in that photo :biggrin:
OMG MAYBE THAT'S A SIGN THEY'LL PLAY TKH WITH THE ORIGINAL INTRO NEXT TOUR :neverusethis:
I wouldn't have taken "the keyboard hand" as anything but a reference to a hand playing the keyboard.
But when he plays the keyboard, he kills :angel:
You're thinking of Petrucci. Rudess' hands are only used for casting spells. :rudess:
:blush how amateurish of me to make that mistake.
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Blob should be trusted on these matters. His life energy was partially drained by the wizard in order to create the magical animation employed in the 2009/2010 keyboard solo. I think he's definitely in the knows.
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Blob should be trusted on these matters. His life energy was partially drained by the wizard in order to create the magical animation employed in the 2009/2010 keyboard solo. I think he's definitely in the knows.
But not to worry, my soul is my own now.
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Blob: "I do not fiiiight for youuuuuuu... spell-caster!"
JR: "Fine, no money then."
Blob: "Now wait a minute man..." :lol
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He drew the bottom line with a dollar sign :neverusethis:
However, you can't see another hand in that photo :biggrin:
OMG MAYBE THAT'S A SIGN THEY'LL PLAY TKH WITH THE ORIGINAL INTRO NEXT TOUR :neverusethis:
I wouldn't mind if they brought TKH back to the setlist, with or without Another Hand! :metal If they continue playing WDADU songs (which is something I keep my fingers crossed for), they may actually do that :caffeine:
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Yes, I want TKH to be played live, granted that they don't drop the 96 solos and that the song doesn't ruin James's vocal balance.
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I wouldn't mind if they brought TKH back to the setlist, with or without Another Hand! :metal If they continue playing WDADU songs (which is something I keep my fingers crossed for), they may actually do that :caffeine:
I really dig Another Hand, but if they decide to play TKH, they could use The Dance Of The Sugar Plum Fairy for the intro for all I care :metal
(which would actually be really awesome now that I think of it)
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I just noticed that there's no TKH thread in the index of albums and songs. Should we start one? We should try to keep it on the first page like the one for Eve to make sure that the potential lurking band members see it :D
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Omg u guise! Miek potnoy iz comin to indonesia!
" “@Bagas_Aji_: hi mike , are you still playing drum for dream theater ? Reply plese”
@MikePortnoy "Yes I am...And we're playing Indonesia all month long!!""
From his Twitter (had no idea where to post this, we should seu up a MP stupid update thread, most of which will probably be AMOB dates...)
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Omg u guise! Miek potnoy iz comin to indonesia!
" “@Bagas_Aji_: hi mike , are you still playing drum for dream theater ? Reply plese”
@MikePortnoy "Yes I am...And we're playing Indonesia all month long!!""
That is kind of amazing.
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Omg u guise! Miek potnoy iz comin to indonesia!
" “@Bagas_Aji_: hi mike , are you still playing drum for dream theater ? Reply plese”
@MikePortnoy "Yes I am...And we're playing Indonesia all month long!!""
That is kind of amazing.
Mike Portnoy gets my vote for poster of the year. :lol
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It's like he just finally had a mental breakdown
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Or just got tired of replying 'no' to the same question for 2+ years.
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Omg u guise! Miek potnoy iz comin to indonesia!
" “@Bagas_Aji_: hi mike , are you still playing drum for dream theater ? Reply plese”
@MikePortnoy "Yes I am...And we're playing Indonesia all month long!!""
That is kind of amazing.
Yes, it is. That's the kind of post he should have made a couple of years ago...Respect.
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Not sure if the question is a troll or serious, there can't be anyone that in the dark, can there?
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Do not underestimate indonesians.
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Ahahahah, fine move from MP here :laugh:
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Hey, I'm still a newcomer, so could someone please explain me what this MP and Indonesia thing is all about? I just don't get it. :lol
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Theorem 1: In every official DT update or whatever form of communication on social media there will always be one or more (or infinite) messages saying "DT PLS COAM TO INDONESIA". Even if the band had come to Indonesia one weak earlier.
Theorem 2: In every official MP update or whatever form of communication on social media there will always be one or more (or infinite) messages from someone who is not sure but hopeful that MP is still in DT. There's also a 100% chance that said comment will feature the topos "DT/MP PLEAS COAM TO INDONESIA"
:lol
(with all due respect to the huge amount of scaringly loving Indonesian fans :tup )
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Omg u guise! Miek potnoy iz comin to indonesia!
" “@Bagas_Aji_: hi mike , are you still playing drum for dream theater ? Reply plese”
@MikePortnoy "Yes I am...And we're playing Indonesia all month long!!""
From his Twitter (had no idea where to post this, we should seu up a MP stupid update thread, most of which will probably be AMOB dates...)
And then he tweeted that he is not a DT fan :facepalm:
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Omg u guise! Miek potnoy iz comin to indonesia!
" @Bagas_Aji_: hi mike , are you still playing drum for dream theater ? Reply plese
@MikePortnoy "Yes I am...And we're playing Indonesia all month long!!""
From his Twitter (had no idea where to post this, we should seu up a MP stupid update thread, most of which will probably be AMOB dates...)
Answers like that are something MP should continue to give - this reminds me of that "RA has a nicer ass than JLB" tweet! :lol :clap: The most annoying thing about these "pls come 2 (insert name of country here)" comments and posts on bands' FB pages is that sometimes some clueless people continue to make them even after one or more dates in that country have been confirmed. :facepalm:
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Omg u guise! Miek potnoy iz comin to indonesia!
" “@Bagas_Aji_: hi mike , are you still playing drum for dream theater ? Reply plese”
@MikePortnoy "Yes I am...And we're playing Indonesia all month long!!""
That is kind of amazing.
Mike Portnoy gets my vote for poster of the year. :lol
^ ditto, this is amazing. Nice job!
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:metal
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Oh my God, that's beautiful. :heart
The guitars, that is.
Oh, and mr Mangini as well, off course.
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Looks like DT has a new guitarist.
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Always, always smiling :)
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It's a really cheeky smile too......almost like he's farting on JP's chair
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:lol
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Do not underestimate indonesians.
DON'T DISRESPECT
INDONESIA
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That's them been at work in the studio for about ten weeks now I wonder how close they are to finnishing?
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That's them been at work in the studio for about ten weeks now I wonder how close they are to finnishing?
DT does scandinavian metal?
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:rollin I was going to say something similar, but your response was better than mine.
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Grr!! Lol :facepalm:
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I was just going to write:
Pony trecking or camping, or just watching TV.
Figured the reference may be a bit too obscure.
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Yeah, maybe so.
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Just incase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rwc3VGvlRY
Monty Python Finland Song
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That's got me pining for the fjords.
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Almost thought JP was using an 8 string JP13 but looks like its a 7, and the other thing i saw is the 7ths tuner lock. I also see hes got two 12s and two 6 string acoustics too. Wonder if hes going to go for another multi-tracked OTBOA type deal agian. I'd be OK with that! :D That intro is still awesome.
We need moar info! I've been dyin lately for new DT. ;_;
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Is it me or does it look like there's a 12 string baritone acoustic next to the 12 string acoustic? Note the longer scale.
Never seen one of those before
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I wonder if they are done writing and have started tracking yet...
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I wonder if they are done writing and have started tracking yet...
They are because JP has posted on twitter about tracking with the JP13 and the 12-string acoustic.
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IIRC, they're tracking since early march: https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/309112159269421056
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IIRC, they're tracking since early march: https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/309112159269421056
So they only wrote for two months, January and February then?
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That's them been at work in the studio for about ten weeks now I wonder how close they are to finnishing?
As a Finn I can tell that turning into one of us is a slow and painful process :neverusethis:
Just incase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rwc3VGvlRY
Monty Python Finland Song
I had never heard this before :D
I wonder if they are done writing and have started tracking yet...
They are because JP has posted on twitter about tracking with the JP13 and the 12-string acoustic.
Yeah, and the pics of Mangini have probably been taken when he was recording the drums.
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Yeah I wonder why they haven't been posting any album updates...
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IIRC, they're tracking since early march: https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/309112159269421056
So they only wrote for two months, January and February then?
They wrote Awake in two or three months and ToT in three weeks I believe?
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IIRC, they're tracking since early march: https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/309112159269421056
So they only wrote for two months, January and February then?
They wrote Awake in two or three months and ToT in three weeks I believe?
Yup, and ADTOE was done by March 2nd.
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IIRC, they're tracking since early march: https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/309112159269421056
So they only wrote for two months, January and February then?
They wrote Awake in two or three months and ToT in three weeks I believe?
And let me say that, although many will disagree, it counted :laugh:
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The writing aspect was done by March 2nd for ADTOE.
I think they may have written the new album quicker this time around since all of them are in the studio at once and they will be able to hammer out songs a lot quicker this time without having to wait for Mangini to come in and track or for Petrucci to program drums to a certain part they wrote, etc.
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Well, the time can vary, but I hope they took the time to let it all sing, and not rush any aspects of the songwriting. I would gladly trade two months with a more sensible approach, would it be the case. :)
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Writing for Awake was done in 3-4 weeks.
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Writing for Awake was done in 3-4 weeks.
Yeah, that's even shorter than what I posted.
It's not a problem if they have stuff in their heads to pen down, and if that stuff is good.
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Thanks James LaBrie for the facts!
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Thanks James LaBrie for the facts!
Is that the real Facebook account for JLB? Just did a search and there's like 7 or so, can't decide, its a shame what people will do for attention
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No, here's the official one:
https://www.facebook.com/james.labrie.9
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Writing for Awake was done in 3-4 weeks.
Yeah, that's even shorter than what I posted.
It's not a problem if they have stuff in their heads to pen down, and if that stuff is good.
Train of Thought was written in 3 weeks too.
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By the way, regarding the new album. Am I the only one who does NOT want them to release little teasers for every song? They really spoiled it for me with Dramatic Turn... But at the same time, I couldn't resist listening to them.
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I liked that they released those snippets, and would not mind in the least if they did it again. They were a hell of a lot better than the mess they released as a teaser for BC&SL, too.
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I liked that they released those snippets, and would not mind in the least if they did it again. They were a hell of a lot better than the mess they released as a teaser for BC&SL, too.
I don't remember what that teaser was.
Personally, I'd rather just get the single beforehand. Maybe ONE other teaser, but not the entire album. That's a little excessive, I think.
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By the way, regarding the new album. Am I the only one who does NOT want them to release little teasers for every song? They really spoiled it for me with Dramatic Turn... But at the same time, I couldn't resist listening to them.
I hear you, it was exactly like that for me. Didn't want to spoil the experience of listening to the album the first time by already having heard various segments of the songs but I couldn't resist playing the crap out of those teasers on YouTube. I wouldn't mind seeing a video interview similar to the one they did for ADTOE in which JLB and JP talked about the songs on the album (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuw-25y6GC4) but I don't really want to hear different parts of the songs before the release. Sure, I do realize that all I have to do is stay away from any teasers but hey... I'm only human.
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Yeah, for sure. Frankly, I'd love to get as much 'talking' about the album as possible. They could give us 20 minute interviews on the kinds of sounds they went for in each individual song. The kinds of moods they were going for, the lyrics, etc. But I don't want to actually hear them until I get the final product.
If they end up releasing the snippets again, I'm going to have to do my darndest to avoid them. While all you bastards will be discussing them on here, talking about how awesome they are... :-\
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Star Trek?
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Pfft. Jordan's gear is too advanced for Star Trek.
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By the way, regarding the new album. Am I the only one who does NOT want them to release little teasers for every song? They really spoiled it for me with Dramatic Turn... But at the same time, I couldn't resist listening to them.
I think they should release snippets. It's really up to you whether you listen to them or not, so I don't think everyone should have to miss out.
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Well, if the snippets do get released, there should be like a thread dedicated to the snippets, and no mention of them anywhere else. I don't want to randomly stumble on another thread.... I dunno, comparing MP to MM for the umpteenth time or something, and have someone be like, "Take that drum fill from the snippet, it's so much better than" etc. etc. etc.
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Oh, come one, just don't listen to the damn thing. :lol
I hope they release snippets, I remember being really excited after hearing the Breaking All Illusions one. :tup
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Oh, come one, just don't listen to the damn thing. :lol
Sure, as long as you promise not to talk about them outside designated threads. :tup
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Oh, come one, just don't listen to the damn thing. :lol
Sure, as long as you promise not to talk about them outside designated threads. :tup
Well, as far as I remember, we had a designated thread for talking about the twelfth album too, then someone made this thread based on a tweet/interview/something and the "designated" thread sunk to the second page or something, so I wouldn't hold my breath about people respecting that if I were you :lol
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Well, the time can vary, but I hope they took the time to let it all sing, and not rush any aspects of the songwriting. I would gladly trade two months with a more sensible approach, would it be the case. :)
If you're really inspired, you can write a masterpiece in no time; if you are not in a creative mood, it could take you months before putting together something decent.
Speaking of time, I also think that creating a work (whatever kind it might be) is like shooting an arrow. If you are too hasty, you won't get any strength or precision, but on the other hand, if you wait too much as you try to get the perfect aim, you will loose the right time for the shot. In other terms, you will overdo it.
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Thanks James LaBrie for the facts!
Is that the real Facebook account for JLB? Just did a search and there's like 7 or so, can't decide, its a shame what people will do for attention
It is, indeed, an official page, as you can see here: https://www.facebook.com/james.labrie.9/posts/463004897056823
;)
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Theorem 1: In every official DT update or whatever form of communication on social media there will always be one or more (or infinite) messages saying "DT PLS COAM TO INDONESIA". Even if the band had come to Indonesia one weak earlier.
Theorem 2: In every official MP update or whatever form of communication on social media there will always be one or more (or infinite) messages from someone who is not sure but hopeful that MP is still in DT. There's also a 100% chance that said comment will feature the topos "DT/MP PLEAS COAM TO INDONESIA"
:lol
(with all due respect to the huge amount of scaringly loving Indonesian fans :tup )
Okay, thanks for explaining, that's pretty much what I thought myself. I do feel a hit sorry for that Twitter guy though. :D
Jordan's gear is looking awesone as usual. And when it comes to snippets, I'd definitely listen to them if such were available. However, I think it would be nicer not to get spoiled beforehand. I just know myself well enough to know that I won't be able to resist the temptation to listen if they happen to relase something.
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I cannot wait to hear what the next ablum will sound like with Mangini's input. aDToE was an amazing album and probably my favorite since SDoIT, but I cannot wait to hear his input in the writing process.
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Oh, come one, just don't listen to the damn thing. :lol
:tup
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I will listen the shit out of any singles/snippets released. :caffeine:
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I will listen the shit out of any singles/snippets released. :caffeine:
It's going to be a hot summer indeed :D
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I will listen the shit out of any singles/snippets released. :caffeine:
It's going to be a hot summer indeed :D
:rollin
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I haven't listened to the new Amorphis single more than once, so I think I might be able to do the same with the new songs and snippets DT may release before the album itself. Resistance is not as hard as it seems :neverusethis:
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I haven't listened to the new Amorphis single more than once, so I think I might be able to do the same with the new songs and snippets DT may release before the album itself. Resistance is not as hard as it seems :neverusethis:
Hey, don't get me wrong, I may not want the snippets, but I'm gonna play the shit out of the single!
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That's them been in the studio for more than ten weeks now they must be nearly finished now :coolio
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Well they actually finished after 10 seconds but they want us to feel sure that everything is perfect so they just order in Starbucks and Piss around the studio for ages...
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I thought they had an espresso machine in the studio so as to defray the large tabs to Starbucks all the time. :lol :biggrin:
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I thought they had an espresso machine in the studio so as to defray the large tabs to Starbucks all the time. :lol :biggrin:
I'm sure they've got their hands full with large tabs just from Petrucci's playing.
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I will listen the shit out of any singles/snippets released. :caffeine:
It's going to be a hot summer indeed :D
Yeah but they say it's a dry heat.
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I thought they had an espresso machine in the studio so as to defray the large tabs to Starbucks all the time. :lol :biggrin:
I'm sure they've got their hands full with large tabs just from Petrucci's playing.
oh snap!
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I will listen the shit out of any singles/snippets released. :caffeine:
It's going to be a hot summer indeed :D
Yeah but they say it's a dry heat.
:lol
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Sweet.
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I think he's just found out we've found the info on amazon.jp about the dvd.... ('crap, how am I going to tell the boys the news?)
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No, he got a message from pureguresshivu metal band Dream Theatre who would like to welcome him into the family after Mark Potonoi's departure :neverusethis:
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He got a text message saying that he is their new drummer. He really should check his phone more often.
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I heard he didn't respond in time, so they went with Triangle Guy instead.
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Nice picture!
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Maybe it's just a text from Portnoy going, "Mangiiiiniiiii.... Mangiiiiniiii...."
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I thought they had an espresso machine in the studio so as to defray the large tabs to Starbucks all the time. :lol :biggrin:
I'm sure they've got their hands full with large tabs just from Petrucci's playing.
Well played, sir. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Angry Birds.
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Angry nerds.
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Nah its just a drum app, playing drums while taking a rest from the drums.
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Or looking for a new ringTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE.
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Or looking for a new ringTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE.
:clap:
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@Debbie: :lol
In that photo he looks way older than usual! :o
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In that photo he looks way older than usual! :o
Yeah, he actually looks a few years closer to his age and not ten years younger, as per usual :D
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By the way, I think he turns 50 in less than a month! We should organize a dedicated online party for him! :)
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"Here I am in the studio keeping all of you I'm the loop. Stay true and well." https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=398834923546826&set=a.398833550213630.1073741825.300524630044523&type=1
And...
"Ahhh the studio is like the sea as a plate of glass. Smooth and effortless. Take me mates" https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/314805707792863232
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By the way, I think he turns 50 in less than a month! We should organize a dedicated online party for him! :)
I'm in!
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"Here I am in the studio keeping all of you I'm the loop. Stay true and well." https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=398834923546826&set=a.398833550213630.1073741825.300524630044523&type=1
And...
"Ahhh the studio is like the sea as a plate of glass. Smooth and effortless. Take me mates" https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/314805707792863232
p p p precious *melts*
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This enters right now the top #5 Best JLB Pics. Right away :o
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This enters right now the top #5 Best JLB Pics. Right away :o
I know right!!! It's so... JLB.
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And by the way, this:
"Ahhh the studio is like the sea as a plate of glass. Smooth and effortless. Take me mates"
Is also one of the best non pirate tweets I've heard from him. :D
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Also:
"Ahhh the studio is like the sea as a plate of glass. Smooth and effortless. Take me mates" https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/314805707792863232
"richard chycki @chycki 48m
@Piratecjs Yaaaargggg!"
THEY'RE SUCH CHILDREN
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RAAAAAWK :cjs:
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I trust that such a chemistry will bear its most desired fruits or awesomeness on the record! :laugh:
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I've never seen a pic of James with glasses before! :o And he'll turn 50 this spring too! :omg: Jordan has probably used some spell to stop his bandmates from aging! :D
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I've never seen a pic of James with glasses before! :o And he'll turn 50 this spring too! :omg: Jordan has probably used some spell to stop his bandmates from aging! :D
Including himself... I would give him at least 5 years less any time.
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I've never seen a pic of James with glasses before! :o And he'll turn 50 this spring too! :omg: Jordan has probably used some spell to stop his bandmates from aging! :D
Including himself... I would give him at least 5 years less any time.
You are so right. My dad was born on almost the same day than James but he looks at least 10 years older.
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Maybe it's just a text from Portnoy going, "Mangiiiiniiiii.... Mangiiiiniiii...."
I just gotta say that Myung looks freaking awesome in your sig!
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Maybe it's just a text from Portnoy going, "Mangiiiiniiiii.... Mangiiiiniiii...."
I just gotta say that Myung looks freaking awesome in your sig!
I'd say thanks, but I didn't make him pose that way, he's just always awesome like that, haha.
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Is that upright thing in the corner what I think it is? :o
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Hell yeah :metal
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Nice, hopefully he'll play it in some song on the album! :tup
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*faints*
Seriously, let's hope the instrument is there to be used. We know that John has brought his Chapman Stick in the studio for every album session since FII without ever using it.
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It's there, emanating particles of musicality.
Also I don't know why I expected anything about JMX to change ;D
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He got a new Bongo again.
This time with natural finish neck with matching headstock.
And it is a HH pickup config .
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I don't think it's a Chapman Stick, it looks a lot more like this little one:
(https://i.imgur.com/a3UQnJj.jpg)
https://www.guitarcenter.com/NS-Design-CR-Series-4-String-Electric-Double-Bass-102020229-i1148301.gc
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I know it's not a chapman stick, I was just stating my hope that it won't stay unused for years like the chapman stick :)
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I'm having a hard time finding his Starbucks cup in that photo.
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Eeeee! :biggrin:
:hearts:
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:2metal:
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MISSION CONTROL!! (we have assumed control! we have assumed control! we have assumed control!)
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I spy with my little eye a PIRATE!!! :biggrin: :heart
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Ι like the photo updates, but i do miss the video updates that Jordan used to share.
Still, something is better than nothing.
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James doesn't normally needs glasses > James is almost 50 > People of that age need glasses when reading or writing > James is not likely to read song tabs > James is a serious professionist and doesn't play angry birds in the studio > James is writing or reviewing a set of lyrics :omg:
/weaklogic
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He is writing his own vocal melodies.
/stonglogic :biggrin:
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James doesn't normally needs glasses > James is almost 50 > People of that age need glasses when reading or writing > James is not likely to read song tabs > James is a serious professionist and doesn't play angry birds in the studio > James is writing or reviewing a set of lyrics :omg:
/weaklogic
:rollin
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He is writing his own vocal melodies.
/stonglogic :biggrin:
I'm not sure he is able to actually write down melodies. Wasn't Jordan (at least prior to MM's coming) the only one able to do that?
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He is a musician, why not? At least some passages.
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Not all musicians can read sheet music - some don't even know anything about theory! :lol
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Thank you Mr. Obvious.
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LaBrie looks pretty buffed up in that picture. Did he steal Petcrucci's arms from this shot?
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He is writing his own vocal melodies.
/stonglogic :biggrin:
I'm not sure he is able to actually write down melodies. Wasn't Jordan (at least prior to MM's coming) the only one able to do that?
I doubt that, after all, Petrucci, Myung and Portnoy all went to study music at the wossname-which-I-can-not-spell.
But, it is true that not all musicians can read music (reading music is a bitch and I for one suck hard at it).
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I doubt that, after all, Petrucci, Myung and Portnoy all went to study music at the wossname-which-I-can-not-spell.
But, it is true that not all musicians can read music (reading music is a bitch and I for one suck hard at it).
Berkley. ;D
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I doubt that, after all, Petrucci, Myung and Portnoy all went to study music at the wossname-which-I-can-not-spell.
But, it is true that not all musicians can read music (reading music is a bitch and I for one suck hard at it).
Berkley. ;D
Berkelee :neverusethis:
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Berkelee :neverusethis:
You know, there was a part of me that just knew I was gonna fail that one.
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James doesn't normally needs glasses > James is almost 50 > People of that age need glasses when reading or writing > James is not likely to read song tabs > James is a serious professionist and doesn't play angry birds in the studio > James is writing or reviewing a set of lyrics :omg:
/weaklogic
That's pretty plausible actually.
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Berkelee :neverusethis:
You know, there was a part of me that just knew I was gonna fail that one.
The correct spelling is "Berlklee" ;)
James doesn't normally needs glasses > James is almost 50 > People of that age need glasses when reading or writing > James is not likely to read song tabs > James is a serious professionist and doesn't play angry birds in the studio > James is writing or reviewing a set of lyrics :omg:
/weaklogic
That's pretty plausible actually.
I am sure that we will write lyrics for at least two songs. You heard it here first :D
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I am sure that we will write lyrics for at least two songs. You heard it here first :D
Gee, I don't know would JP let us two write lyrics for DT songs :neverusethis:
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I am sure that we will write lyrics for at least two songs. You heard it here first :D
Gee, I don't know would JP let us two write lyrics for DT songs :neverusethis:
God, what a freudian lapsus :lol
Whatever, you understood what I meant to say! :D
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/562789_10151318521137181_331245111_n.jpg)
They're recording this one in a hobbit hole?
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I am sure that we will write lyrics for at least two songs. You heard it here first :D
Gee, I don't know would JP let us two write lyrics for DT songs :neverusethis:
God, what a freudian lapsus :lol
Whatever, you understood what I meant to say! :D
That there's a little bit of James in all of us? :neverusethis:
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I am sure that we will write lyrics for at least two songs. You heard it here first :D
Gee, I don't know would JP let us two write lyrics for DT songs :neverusethis:
God, what a freudian lapsus :lol
Whatever, you understood what I meant to say! :D
That there's a little bit of James in all of us? :neverusethis:
I bet you wish there was a little bit of James in you. :zydar:
I'm sorry. But not sorry enough to not post it.
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I bet you wish there was a little bit of James in you. :zydar:
:rollin
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:clap:
That was inevitable, fangirls had it coming. :lol
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Yeah I figured some smartass would say that :lol
And for the record, naaah, I'm just a regular fangirl, not all fangirls are sexually frustrated creatures
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Yeah I figured some smartass would say that :lol
And for the record, naaah, I'm just a regular fangirl, not all fangirls are sexually frustrated creatures
LIES!!
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I doubt that, after all, Petrucci, Myung and Portnoy all went to study music at the wossname-which-I-can-not-spell.
But, it is true that not all musicians can read music (reading music is a bitch and I for one suck hard at it).
Berkley. ;D
Berkelee :neverusethis:
Berklee. :neverusethis:
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By the way either MM"s turning into MP or MP is a raging alcoholic again, beer bottle at bottom of picture... (presumably a beer bottle) drinking in studio
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By the way either MM"s turning into MP or MP is a raging alcoholic again, beer bottle at bottom of picture... (presumably a beer bottle) drinking in studio
:facepalm:
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I noticed the bottle too. They are free to drink whenever now though.
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LaBrie looks pretty buffed up in that picture. Did he steal Petcrucci's arms from this shot?
James stole nothing. However, he may have pirated them.....
:lhk:
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LaBrie looks pretty buffed up in that picture. Did he steal Petcrucci's arms from this shot?
James stole nothing. However, he may have pirated them.....
:lhk:
I applaud your wordplay good sir.
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:yarr
Someone needs to make this
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LaBrie looks pretty buffed up in that picture. Did he steal Petcrucci's arms from this shot?
James stole nothing. However, he may have pirated them.....
:lhk:
I applaud your wordplay good sir.
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:biggrin:
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(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2199829248/hF6121963/)
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C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
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:lol
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Jamming with the amazing Scott Tibbs in the studio!
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Who is this guy? :o
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Dunno, but Jordan's activated Rainbow-Mode.
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Who is this guy? :o
Looks like some crazy British shepherd.
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Looks like Tibbs is a Roland man, judging on the first youtube video I found googling his name. He may be introducing Jordan with a new keyboard station.
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Looks like Tibbs is a Roland man, judging on the first youtube video I found googling his name. He may be introducing Jordan with a new keyboard station.
Or a guest musician? :o
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Looks like Tibbs is a Roland man, judging on the first youtube video I found googling his name. He may be introducing Jordan with a new keyboard station.
Or a guest musician? :o
I don't think so. The guy looks like a Roland tech/promoter, rather than a professional musician. And even if he was a professional musician, why would DT invite a keyboard player to guest in their album? In the past they invited guests to perform on instruments that none of the members could play.
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Second to last on this page:
https://www.rolandus.com/news_events/events_clinics/our_team/
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Orchestrator. Interesting.
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Uuuh! Look at those biceps! And 7-string!!
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Damn, for a minute I got excited and thought that was a fretless guitar.
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Yes, 7-string bad-assery on the way!
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By the way either MM"s turning into MP or MP is a raging alcoholic again, beer bottle at bottom of picture... (presumably a beer bottle) drinking in studio
Yes, because one beer bottle in a photo means they had a rager.
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He studied at Berklee.
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Jamming with the amazing Scott Tibbs in the studio!
I've always loved the multicolored switches on Roland keyboards, and I'm glad they're back. I remember playing a Roland back in the 70's and it had the multicolored switches.
And come on, guys. They call him Mister Tibbs. (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066450/combined)
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And come on, guys. They call him Mister Tibbs. (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066450/combined)
It's lovely that the Italian translation of the title goes like "Neon homicide for detective Tibbs" :lol
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Uuuh! Look at those biceps! And 7-string!!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601401_10151319841997181_720496647_n.jpg)
Amazing gear aside, I think this is one of the best pictures of JP in recent memory. He looks relaxed, but motivated. As always I'm excited to hear what kind of awesomeness he produces with that 7-string.
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Amazing gear aside, I think this is one of the best pictures of JP in recent memory. He looks relaxed, but motivated. As always I'm excited to hear what kind of awesomeness he produces with that 7-string.
I gotta say you're right. Now, I'll be the first person to sing praises to Systematic Chaos, I love that album to death. But I remember watching the documentary, and they were doing those outdoor interviews, and I was like, "Aww, man, what happened to Pettruci? He used to have such eye of the tiger. Now he looks like a tired old man. Where's the fire?"
It was just outdoors though, maybe it was windy or something. But yeah, great picture.
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I'm glad Petrucci is slimming down, even if just a bit. I feel like he got so big his playing suffered. Just talking out of my ass but I would think after a point your mass would just slow you down and make you that much less nimble/flexible on the guitar (plus like every super-shredder is pretty skinny), and watching him play some solos live around the 2010 era had him making more mistakes than ever in solos he usually breezed through. Then again, he could just be getting older and suffering the consequences at a coincidental time.
Also, I was going to right-click Petrucci in Firefox to add it to the dictionary and it recommended Firetruck as the word it thought I wanted. Oh man, so perfect.
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I think the last thing JP would do is just about anything that could impact his playing, and that he would debate all of the possible physical consequences before starting to work out seriously. And considering the huge range of superb guitarist body types, from Michael Romeo to Steve Vai, I'd say you could be just about any size and still be an amazing player.
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Perhaps, just my inner thoughts on the matter. I will say he is obviously still an amazing player (and was in the era I was referring to) but I was saying he wasn't quite as amazing as Budokan era JP. I'm pretty sure even at the worst point in his life he'd still rank better than 95% of guitarist lol. :)
So basically it wasn't "big muscles means a player can't be that good" or something, it was more of "is big JP less nimble/accurate than skinny JP". Anybody and any size can be a great player, but the same person in two body types - which one was more favorable to playing guitar in killzone mode.
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Interesting to see JP trying out the Mesa Royal Atlantic, judging by the timescale it'll probably make an appearance on the album too.
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There was nothing wrong with his shredding in 2010 :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx9dJWUS9WU&t=10m
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Of course he didn't mess up everything he played! =P You misunderstand me. When I say he made mistakes more often it's more of a nitpick. I'm a huge JP fanboy, own his signature (working on a 2nd), all his tab books, always watching live performances on youtube and such. It just seemed to me that as his mass went up his accuracy live very slowly was taking a hit. He of course slayed often too its not like he got awful or something.
It's like talking about a car going 100 usually and then doing 98 (and now hes pretty much back). Not a large difference just something I noticed watching him over the last 12 years.
For an example of what I mean with it slowing you down a little (a George Lynch interview):
"Revolution Magazine: Are you still bodybuilding?
Lynch: No, that's one of the silliest things I've ever done. I felt so anti-musical. Even the guys from VH1 were making fun of me. It also makes it difficult to play. But no, I just work out now to stay in shape."
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I'd say you could be just about any size and still be an amazing player.
And here I thought you'd need something smaller.
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Honestly? First thing I noticed was the Royal Alantic head, which I'm frankly shocked that no one has mentioned yet
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Honestly? First thing I noticed was the Royal Alantic head, which I'm frankly shocked that no one has mentioned yet
Interesting to see JP trying out the Mesa Royal Atlantic, judging by the timescale it'll probably make an appearance on the album too.
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I think they're trying to make us go "what the fuck is that thing in the picture" with each picture.
Looks damn sweet.
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That "thing" is the keyboardist from Dream Theater.
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That "thing" is the keyboardist from Dream Theater.
YOU MEAN DEREK SHERINIAN IS GONE?>?>??>>??>!!!111
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:dangerwillrobinson:
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I like this new kind of studio-logue. :tup
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Nice. Is that an actual analog synth?
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No, he's the keyboard player.
/stolen joke
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Nice. Is that an actual analog synth?
https://www.studiologic-music.com/sledge.html
I don't think so...seems to be an advanced analog modeling technology. Could have read wrong, though.
It looks amazing :o
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There was nothing wrong with his shredding in 2010 :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx9dJWUS9WU&t=10m
:omg: :o :metal :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Honestly? First thing I noticed was the Royal Alantic head, which I'm frankly shocked that no one has mentioned yet
Interesting to see JP trying out the Mesa Royal Atlantic, judging by the timescale it'll probably make an appearance on the album too.
I am an idiot
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Nice. Is that an actual analog synth?
https://www.studiologic-music.com/sledge.html
I don't think so...seems to be an advanced analog modeling technology. Could have read wrong, though.
It looks amazing :o
Thanks, I was too lazy to Google it myself. :P
It does look amazing. Knobs. Lots of knobs.
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So can we likely expect good keyboard sounds from the next album? :)
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So can we likely expect good keyboard sounds from the next album? :)
Judge by yourself ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH_0b8H7dzM
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I quite like this, yes.
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Trippy and good. I like the sounds. :D
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It sound somewhat vintage to me. That's good.
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It sound somewhat vintage to me. That's good.
Well, everything analogic sounding has this shroud of vintage on it, I guess :D
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I really wish he'd use some more classic organ sounds like Derek used on FII. But that thing is freakin' cool. I really hope to hear some of it on the new album.
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I really wish he'd use some more classic organ sounds like Derek used on FII. But that thing is freakin' cool. I really hope to hear some of it on the new album.
YES
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Seems like James is recording in another studio. This pic was posted by his son, chance, BTW.
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Maybe they have moved out of the writing phase and James is recording vocals in Canada like last time :)
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Maybe they have moved out of the writing phase and James is recording vocals in Canada like last time :)
I believe they said this before went into the studio. From the screen in that photo it looks like James might be singing along to a stereo master. Probably just a rough mix for him, and once he's tracked vocals the mixing will commense proper.
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Seems like James is recording in another studio. This pic was posted by his son, chance, BTW.
By Chance? :biggrin:
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I think that this is for the solo record, because Chycki is in the studio with the rest of the band, and I suppouse that James wants to track with him again.
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Keyboards
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It's just a lens flare.
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DT12 - Produced by J.J Abrams
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Seems like James is recording in another studio. This pic was posted by his son, chance, BTW.
short instrumental section/solo judging by that white section :P
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I think that this is for the solo record, because Chycki is in the studio with the rest of the band, and I suppouse that James wants to track with him again.
My theory too.
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Seems like James is recording in another studio. This pic was posted by his son, chance, BTW.
short instrumental section/solo judging by that white section :P
Indeed, a short instrumental section with a lead tambourine solo (lower right corner) :metal
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DT Twitter Q&A Response! Not sure what frequency they'll release them, but looks like it was all recorded at the same time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SJMiATImQk
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Amazing stuff. Daily releases, please :D
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DT Twitter Q&A Response! Not sure what frequency they'll release them, but looks like it was all recorded at the same time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SJMiATImQk
How cool it would be if JMX would answer one :metal
Although I obviously don't have any issues with James speaking :angel:
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DT Twitter Q&A Response! Not sure what frequency they'll release them, but looks like it was all recorded at the same time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SJMiATImQk
How cool it would be if JMX would answer one :metal
Although I obviously don't have any issues with James speaking :angel:
Everybody has at least their own paper.
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And a pen, so what the fuck...
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It looks like JM has multiple pieces of paper.
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And a pen, so what the fuck...
:lol :lol :lol
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It looks like JM has multiple pieces of paper.
HEY HEY HEY NOW, that observation and its implications could start a forest fire around here :lol
I have to say, as an introverted person, I am kind of annoyed by this whole "hey this person only talks when they have something important to say, let's ask them to talk" attitude and all of the "OMG JOHN MYUNG IS SPEAKING", I can't get over how people are surprised when I suddenly start speaking while in the company of others and they all stop and like look at me a bit and similar, so I don't like seeing it done to other people, not even as lovingly as us DT fans talk of John Myung, but I always get thrilled when I read something from him because every other sentence he writes or says is incredibly inspiring to me, he's a very well-spoken guy and one of the rare people I would call wise with a straight face. So I always call for more.
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^ tl;dr
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Yeah there should have been a full stop in there somewhere.
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I have to say, as an introverted person, I am kind of annoyed by this whole "hey this person only talks when they have something important to say, let's ask them to talk" attitude and all of the "OMG JOHN MYUNG IS SPEAKING"
Yeah. It does get old. If he NEVER spoke, it would be one thing...but he does, just not as much as the others.
On the other hand, it has made for a few funny moments like when an interviewer mentioned something JM said and then remarked, "I didn't know he spoke"
James, without missing a beat, replied "Neither did we!!!"
At least when James says stuff like that it seems really good hearted. I can't say the same for evvvvveryone though
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As an introvert i cannot be around people who never stop talking.
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On the other hand, it has made for a few funny moments like when an interviewer mentioned something JM said and then remarked, "I didn't know he spoke"
James, without missing a beat, replied "Neither did we!!!"
I remember that, it was hilarious. :lol It's just good fun, I seriously doubt any fans are dissing JM, we're all just kidding around. It goes without saying that we all have enormous respect for all of them.
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Yes, his silent and spooky attitude only made fans increase their respect (or I should say reverential fear? :D) for the guy. :)
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Nothing against Jordan's gear heaven, but I'm just wondering why does he want to use a mini sized midi controller like the iRig Keys in the studio when he has an array of full-sized proper keyboards with midi support around him? Well, I guess the Wizard knows the best what he's doing.
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I took the liberty of re-arranging your post and here's what I've come up with:
Nothing against Jordan's gear heaven, but I'm just wondering why does he want to use a mini sized midi controller like the iRig Keys in the studio when he has an array of full-sized proper keyboards with midi support around him?
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_7312_1346499029.jpeg)
Well, I guess the Wizard knows the best what he's doing.
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I have to say, as an introverted person, I am kind of annoyed by this whole "hey this person only talks when they have something important to say, let's ask them to talk" attitude and all of the "OMG JOHN MYUNG IS SPEAKING", I can't get over how people are surprised when I suddenly start speaking while in the company of others and they all stop and like look at me a bit and similar, so I don't like seeing it done to other people, not even as lovingly as us DT fans talk of John Myung, but I always get thrilled when I read something from him because every other sentence he writes or says is incredibly inspiring to me, he's a very well-spoken guy and one of the rare people I would call wise with a straight face. So I always call for more.
I think you just read my mind! :lol
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As an introvert i cannot be around people who never stop talking.
When I have my shy and introvert moments, I love being around talkative people, they make it easier for me to relax and communicate. I most often suffer from this when taking a hot chick out on a date, so I usually date chattering girls :biggrin:
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As an introvert i cannot be around people who never stop talking.
When I have my shy and introvert moments, I love being around talkative people, they make it easier for me to relax and communicate. I most often suffer from this when taking a hot chick out on a date, so I usually date chattering girls :biggrin:
On a side note, if she's hot, she's hot! Why would you want to talk?!?!? :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
B.Lee
On topic, I find JLB to be the right spokesman for the band.
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When I have my shy and introvert moments, I love being around talkative people, they make it easier for me to relax and communicate. I most often suffer from this when taking a hot chick out on a date, so I usually date chattering girls :biggrin:
Just don't tell them you're an introvert. Tell them you're a good listener. :tup
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When I have my shy and introvert moments, I love being around talkative people, they make it easier for me to relax and communicate. I most often suffer from this when taking a hot chick out on a date, so I usually date chattering girls :biggrin:
Just don't tell them you're an introvert. Tell them you're a good listener. :tup
Of course, that's what I usually do..... ;D
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Or tell her you are gathering information for the showdown in the court happening twenty years from now :D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g9oZ46dJpbk
another song from JM AND and instrumental!!!!! :metal :mehlin
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g9oZ46dJpbk
another song from JM :metal
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
ALSO AN INSTRUMENTAL
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Suh-Weeeet!!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g9oZ46dJpbk
another song from JM :metal
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
ALSO AN INSTRUMENTAL
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I don't post much in excitement threads, but....... OHHH YEAHHH!!!! :metal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g9oZ46dJpbk
another song from JM :metal
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
ALSO AN INSTRUMENTAL
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Also, YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES
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Is this the first time since 2003?
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Awesome news. DT12 is starting to already sound like it's going to top ADTOE by a country mile.
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I wish I had a cool gif I could post, but suffice it to say . . . INSTRUMENTAL!
I had to chuckle a bit with how matter of fact this came out. "Will there be and instrumental?" ahh, yeah sure.
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James melted my male heterosexual heart when he said: "Then answer is Yes!". That bit sounded positvely amazing.
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Is this the first time since 2003?
If you don't count Raw Dog.
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Is this the first time since 2003?
If you don't count Raw Dog.
Nobody counts Raw Dog.
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omgyea
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Is this the first time since 2003?
If you don't count Raw Dog.
Nobody counts Raw Dog.
That skeleton has been tossed in the closet by both the band and the fandom, with a complete and total agreement and coordination :D
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Man, I'm going to have to get someone to pick this up for me so I can listen to it as soon as I get back from Australia.
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I'm beyond excited. :metal
He also mentioned that they finished the instrumental, so I wonder how far they are along in the process. I bet they have probably finished writing and are tracking/working on vocals.
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Man, I'm going to have to get someone to pick this up for me so I can listen to it as soon as I get back from Australia.
Question: you won't have any access to a CD player for two years? :o
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More JM lyrics isn't a surprise, but an instrumental song? :omg: I hope it will be better than SOC and the song I pretend doesn't exist. If it's like Eve or Hell's Kitchen (I know it won't be, but let me dream!)... :caffeine: BTW, am I the only one who chuckled a bit at the beginning of the video, upon seeing the pic with that familiar Mangini expression? :lol
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Is this the first time since 2003?
If you don't count Raw Dog.
Nobody counts Raw Dog.
What is Raw Dog? :neverusethis:
More JM lyrics isn't a surprise, but an instrumental song? :omg: I hope it will be better than SOC and the song I pretend doesn't exist. If it's like Eve or Hell's Kitchen (I know it won't be, but let me dream!)... :caffeine: BTW, am I the only one who chuckled a bit at the beginning of the video, upon seeing the pic with that familiar Mangini expression? :lol
I chuckled more at how James couldn't think of what to do with his papers while appearing relaxed :lol
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More JM lyrics isn't a surprise, but an instrumental song? :omg: I hope it will be better than SOC and the song I pretend doesn't exist. If it's like Eve or Hell's Kitchen (I know it won't be, but let me dream!)... :caffeine: BTW, am I the only one who chuckled a bit at the beginning of the video, upon seeing the pic with that familiar Mangini expression? :lol
Well sure, it would be nice if it was better, but that's a pretty tall order. If you didn't like SoC, what is one you did like?
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More JM lyrics isn't a surprise, but an instrumental song? :omg: I hope it will be better than SOC and the song I pretend doesn't exist. If it's like Eve or Hell's Kitchen (I know it won't be, but let me dream!)... :caffeine: BTW, am I the only one who chuckled a bit at the beginning of the video, upon seeing the pic with that familiar Mangini expression? :lol
Well sure, it would be nice if it was better, but that's a pretty tall order. If you didn't like SoC, what is one you did like?
I may be biased because I dove head-first into "DT fanboy" mode during ToT, but what is there NOT to like about SoC? I am a huge fan of Hell's Kitchen but that overarching/opening riff on SoC is just so catchy and intense! :metal
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SOC is just much longer than it needs to be - it's like a 5- or 6-minute song stretched out to 11 minutes and gets boring towards the end. There are lots of good ideas, but they are repeated to the point where they get stale.
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SOC is just much longer than it needs to be - it's like a 5- or 6-minute song stretched out to 11 minutes and gets boring towards the end. There are lots of good ideas, but they are repeated to the point where they get stale.
I've always heard longer was better.... :neverusethis:
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:lol
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I still have not yet heard Raw Dog. I'm pretty sure it's the only DT song I haven't heard.
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Great great news!
I asked and encouraged JM to write more lyrics on the last M&G and he was pretty receptive with my suggestion. At that moment, I knew he would be doing lyrics for this.
Can't wait! :rollin :mehlin
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IT'S A TRICK! JOHN MYUNG IS WRITING LYRICS FOR THE INSTRUMENTAL! :yeahright
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I've always heard longer was better.... :neverusethis:
Obviously I'm not a true prog fan, my favorite DT song isn't even 8 minutes long :neverusethis:
I still have not yet heard Raw Dog. I'm pretty sure it's the only DT song I haven't heard.
It's better not to listen to it! :lol
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IT'S A TRICK! JOHN MYUNG IS WRITING LYRICS FOR THE INSTRUMENTAL! :yeahright
damn it bosk! You ninja'd me as I was posting this
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I still have not yet heard Raw Dog. I'm pretty sure it's the only DT song I haven't heard.
It's better not to listen to it! :lol
It's actually not aweful, just not very interesting.
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I'd buy the album even if it was just qn instrumental and a song with JMX lyrics!
:biggrin: I CANT CONTAIN MYSELF!!
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I still have not yet heard Raw Dog. I'm pretty sure it's the only DT song I haven't heard.
It's better not to listen to it! :lol
It's actually not aweful, just not very interesting.
At this point, I'm not even sure where I'd find a copy.
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I never see people list DT's instrumentals in their top 20 DT songs, let alone among DT's best songs, yet everyone pees themselves a little at the thought of a new one.
I know I am alone on this, but DT's instrumentals are nothing special, and just unnecessarily sideline 1/5 of their talent.
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I never see people list DT's instrumentals in their top 20 DT songs, let alone among DT's best songs, yet everyone pees themselves a little at the thought of a new one.
Then you must never see my list ;), cause Erotomania is a borderline top 5 DT song for me, and Hell's Kitchen is always in my top 20, too.
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Eve was #4 on my list ;)
Is this the first time since 2003?
If you don't count Raw Dog.
Nobody counts Raw Dog.
That skeleton has been tossed in the closet by both the band and the fandom, with a complete and total agreement and coordination :D
Maybe the press release will be along the lines of James' comment that Score was their last official DVD: "The album also features the first Dream Theater instrumental since Stream of Consciousness, which was released in 2003." :biggrin:
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Eve was #4 on my list ;)
Is this the first time since 2003?
If you don't count Raw Dog.
Nobody counts Raw Dog.
That skeleton has been tossed in the closet by both the band and the fandom, with a complete and total agreement and coordination :D
Maybe the press release will be along the lines of James' comment that Score was their last official DVD: "The album also features the first Dream Theater instrumental since Stream of Consciousness, which was released in 2003." :biggrin:
That would be amazing.
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Maybe the press release will be along the lines of James' comment that Score was their last official DVD: "The album also features the first Dream Theater instrumental since Stream of Consciousness, which was released in 2003." :biggrin:
Please make this happen, anyone.
I know I am alone on this, but DT's instrumentals are nothing special, and just unnecessarily sideline 1/5 of their talent.
While I generally agree that something James-some is always better than something James-less, I have two DT instrumentals in my top 10, and I can't remember actively disliking one... even TDOE is only just a bit boring, nothing offensive to my senses.
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Not necessarily excited by the instrumental, but definitely looking forward to more lyrics by JM.
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I am hoping for a quiet instrumental, like Eve and H'sK, rather than a crazy "showoffy" piece :D
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I still have not yet heard Raw Dog. I'm pretty sure it's the only DT song I haven't heard.
I am so jealous of you.
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I am hoping for a quiet instrumental, like Eve and H'sK, rather than a crazy "showoffy" piece :D
This.
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OMGzzzz Myung HE Speeeks I cant even omfg i cant i'm done wtf omfg i cant im done im don im done.
[/fangirl bollocks]
In other news : What is the deal with uploading those YouTube Q&A vids in 360 ?
Rudess can upload pics of nothing slathered in crappy Instagram effects but they can't upload videos in 720 ?
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I don't see why we need the (what were they... a minute long) videos in HD... Lol
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If that is true then they don't need to be videos. They could just be audio clips.
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Man, I'm going to have to get someone to pick this up for me so I can listen to it as soon as I get back from Australia.
Question: you won't have any access to a CD player for two years? :o
Answer: The rules on music vary from mission to mission, but typically, we're not supposed to have anything, music or otherwise, that would reduce our capacity to focus on our work. As such, it'll have to wait until I return to America.
That said, I'm super excited to hear more about this new album. I definitely place it at the top of the ever-growing list of albums I need to get when I return.
I am hoping for a quiet instrumental, like Eve and H'sK, rather than a crazy "showoffy" piece :D
That would be really cool, I listened to Eve yesterday, and I still can't believe that it never had an official release outside of the Silent Man single.
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If that is true then they don't need to be videos. They could just be audio clips.
Well then it's settled. DT, if you are reading this, please... no more videos unless they are ZOMG1080pHIGHDEF!!!!!111 Because they are not worth anyone's time. Either release your updates on 3D BluRay or on some form of lossless audio format we can download... because 320 on youtube is not worthy of your fans.
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Uploading video in such shitty quality makes you look like a total amateur.
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Then don't watch them.
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Uploading video in such shitty quality makes you look like a total amateur.
Stop crying.
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Yeah that makes sense.
Why go to a studio to record an album when you can just play it into an iPhone and release that ?
Why make a sci-fi film with the best cameras and CGI by Industrial Light and Magic when you can use a camcorder and Windows Movie Maker ?
iPhones record in HD as standard. I'm pretty sure they all have one.
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Answer: The rules on music vary from mission to mission, but typically, we're not supposed to have anything, music or otherwise, that would reduce our capacity to focus on our work. As such, it'll have to wait until I return to America.
You should just tell them you're listening to soundtrack to Sister Act, and you need it to have that extra boost of faith. :biggrin:
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It's a 40 second video just answering a few questions the quality of the video is beyond irrelevant.
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It's a 40 second video just answering a few questions the quality of the video is beyond irrelevant.
Everything on DTF is relevant.
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It's a 40 second video just answering a few questions the quality of the video is beyond irrelevant.
Everything on DTF is relevant.
Especially THIS post. *
* by which I mean my post :p
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Uploading video in such shitty quality makes you look like a total amateur.
No it doesn't. It makes them look like guys who appreciate the fan base enough to want to get some informal updates to the fans and answer a few fan question.
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Well, Cedar, you have my sincerest and biggest esteem. :) It's good to know that whatever church/organization you will be joining have people like you in it. :tup
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No it doesn't. It makes them look like guys who appreciate the fan base enough to want to get some informal updates to the fans and answer a few fan question.
And frankly, I prefer seeing them sitting there actually reading it out, or answering to the camera. It's definitely better than just some static picture from some old photo shoot or a simple logo over an audio clip.
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Well, Cedar, you have my sincerest and biggest esteem. :) It's good to know that whatever church/organization you will be joining have people like you in it. :tup
??? ??? ???
Oh right ! I get ya :P
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While I do feel that there's no reason not to include higher defs I don't find it all that important in cases such as this. They're actually sitting down to answer our questions, that's the important part here.
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Never Enough
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A Really Cool instrumental...hell yeah. Now I'm excited for this album, I have no idea what they'll unleash at us.
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It's obviously Train of thought 2
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How many tracks is this one supposed to have ?
11 ?
Scenes : 9 songs / 12 tracks
Six Degrees : 6 songs / 13 tracks
TOT : 7 tracks / 6 songs if you count vacant as the intro to SOC
Octavarium : 8 tracks
SC : 8 tracks
Black Clouds : 6 tracks
ADToE : 9 tracks
I forgot where I was going with this ???
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Never Enough
:lol Perfect response.
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I have not been following DT 12 at all. Can someone give what we know about the album so far?
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JMX writes lyrics and there is an instrumental.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g9oZ46dJpbk
another song from JM AND and instrumental!!!!! :metal :mehlin
Fucking hell, that's how you fill two pages!!
I'm off to update DT according to DT. Even though nobody uses it. And even though I've not opened the video, yet. But this is my reaction to the first proper, full-blooded fact. "Write it down."
One day, I will be Dream Theater's official librarian.
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Howdy Rob.
What's this DT by DT ?
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One day, I will be Dream Theater's official librarian.
Although, when that day comes, you might want to pick a better title. Like Scribe.
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Historian.
Rob Webster : Keeping up to date the Dream Theater INVENTORY !!!! :metal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g9oZ46dJpbk
another song from JM AND and instrumental!!!!! :metal :mehlin
Fucking hell, that's how you fill two pages!!
I'm off to update DT according to DT. Even though nobody uses it. And even though I've not opened the video, yet. But this is my reaction to the first proper, full-blooded fact. "Write it down."
One day, I will be Dream Theater's official librarian.
Dammit I feel so guilty about forgetting about that *facepalms*
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What we know so far (For those who haven't been pay attention)
-Instrumental
-JM lyrics
-Acoustic Guitars
-Moog Taurus Pedals
-Keyboards (LOTS OF THEM) (Keyboard next to Mangini?)
-Richard Chycki (Mixing)
-Awesomeness?
Anything else so far in case people haven't been paying attention?
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Historian.
Rob Webster : Keeping up to date the Dream Theater INVENTORY !!!! :metal
Sucking on his pipe?
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Howdy Rob.
What's this DT by DT ?
https://dtondt.wordpress.com/
I started to make a compendium of DT quotes, quite a while ago. People rely on a lot of half-remembered truths and misconceptions when arguing on the internet, so I thought it'd be worth collating verifiable bits and bobs, traceable back to the band, so nobody ever has to be wrong again. In theory.
Frankly, it's always going to be a work in progress, I can't foresee a day I'm ever going to be "finished," but if anyone ever sees any cool interview snippets, wing 'em my way.
One day, I will be Dream Theater's official librarian.
Although, when that day comes, you might want to pick a better title. Like Scribe.
WORD-BUSTER IN CHIEF!!
Historian.
Rob Webster : Keeping up to date the Dream Theater INVENTORY !!!! :metal
Sucking on his pipe?
Not sure about that one, but I'll take distinguished accent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g9oZ46dJpbk
another song from JM AND and instrumental!!!!! :metal :mehlin
Fucking hell, that's how you fill two pages!!
I'm off to update DT according to DT. Even though nobody uses it. And even though I've not opened the video, yet. But this is my reaction to the first proper, full-blooded fact. "Write it down."
One day, I will be Dream Theater's official librarian.
Dammit I feel so guilty about forgetting about that *facepalms*
I feel guiltierer! No, I should probably start a thread for it. Hoarding quotes is quite hard when you're one person, and very easy when you're loads of people. Which I'm not.
I think I should start by rearranging the "What little we know" bit.
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WORD-BUSTER IN CHIEF!!
Okay, so you got the words and... Blob's got the images, then?
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Very Cool.
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I JUST FIGURED IT OUT !!!! :facepalm: :facepalm:
1. JMX is writing lyrics on this album...
2. There is an instrumental.
ITS THE SAME SONG.
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I JUST FIGURED IT OUT !!!! :facepalm: :facepalm:
1. JMX is writing lyrics on this album...
2. There is an instrumental.
ITS THE SAME SONG.
Welcome to last page.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35260.msg1541624#msg1541624
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ER MER GERD
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These Q&A videos really show how united the band has become. They are acting more like a full unit rather than 1 or 2 of them answering questions, with the other members not present.
The question now is, JLB spoke first, then JMX, who will speak on the next video??? I say Mangini. Then Jordan, then JP.
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DT12 is actually going to be a double album (Disc 1 and Disc 2), with one disc devoted to an entire 72 minute song divided into 12 sections (each section averages out to about 6 minutes each).
The second disc will consist of 11 individual songs, and one of them will be a two-part song, making each disc consist
of 12 tracks with 12 songs total.
Somewhere between those 24 tracks will be the instrumental.
Six Degrees was a double album, so it wouldn't surprise me if DT12 was a double album, if we're still crazy enough to believe in nuggetz.
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Or it's a double album consisting of One Instrumental song lasting one hour and One Epic lasting one hour.
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And JMX wrote the lyrics for the Epic.
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I really kinda like the relative silence surrounding the writing of the new album. Not that I don't like knowing what's going on, but I'd rather be more surprised and blown away by a great album, like I was with ADTOE, than hyped-up and then let down, like I've been with previous DT albums sometimes.
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I hope they compile all the twitter Q's into one video when they're finished releasing them.
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I really kinda like the relative silence surrounding the writing of the new album. Not that I don't like knowing what's going on, but I'd rather be more surprised and blown away by a great album, like I was with ADTOE, than hyped-up and then let down, like I've been with previous DT albums sometimes.
+1, 000, 000
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Yay, Nostalgia Critic. :neverusethis:
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I hope they compile all the twitter Q's into one video when they're finished releasing them.
I'd rather have them become a constant companion of our wait. One or two questions a week until new details come, likely by June :tup
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Am I the only one who thinks we're gonna get the new studio album before we get Live At Luna Park? Jeesh!
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Man, I love DT instrumentals.
I never see people list DT's instrumentals in their top 20 DT songs, let alone among DT's best songs, yet everyone pees themselves a little at the thought of a new one.
Stream of Consciousness and Overture 1928 were in my top 20 (Erotomania and Hell's Kitchen were 25 and 26), but since barely anyone read my list, I can see why you'd make that mistake. :neverusethis:
:'(
EDIT: Aw, hell, if Scorpion can self promote, I can too: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35406.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35406.0)
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I never see people list DT's instrumentals in their top 20 DT songs, let alone among DT's best songs, yet everyone pees themselves a little at the thought of a new one.
Hey there. (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35693.msg1516008#msg1516008)
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Great news about Myung! Very excited now :metal
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Geez, that'll teach me to not read peoples' "Top XX DT songs" threads/posts!
Instrumentals by any band are always meh to me, and DT is no different. Like the rest of their catalog, some instrumentals are great, some are good, some are lame. News of another one doesn't excite me like the other awesome updates we've received. But anyway, I will stop being ants at this picnic.
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Guys, what if the instrumental is a 30 second spacey intro that leads into the first song of the album??
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Guys, what if the instrumental is a 30 second spacey intro that leads into the first song of the album??
As in Regression 1928 of Consciousness Dogmania?!
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Didn't he write Breaking All Illusions though ?
I have to say I was really underwhelmed with that song.
And the lyrics were nothing spectacular.
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I don't think everyone gets excited over instrumentals because we love the past ones so much, i think it's because we're hoping for a really good trump-card instrumental.
Hypothetically, an instrumental should be the greatest thing ever coming from DT, since every member has insane musical ability. Maybe I'm just speaking for myself, but I think just I'm waiting for the right one to finally be written.
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Looks a bit like lonestar :lol
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Wait a minute man! I've just remembered a video that desribes how I feel about the album!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtWiEvyTr7I&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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DT12 is actually going to be a double album (Disc 1 and Disc 2), with one disc devoted to an entire 72 minute song divided into 12 sections (each section averages out to about 6 minutes each).
The second disc will consist of 11 individual songs, and one of them will be a two-part song, making each disc consist
of 12 tracks with 12 songs total.
Somewhere between those 24 tracks will be the instrumental.
Six Degrees was a double album, so it wouldn't surprise me if DT12 was a double album, if we're still crazy enough to believe in nuggetz.
5 + 8 = 12
OMG NUGGETZ
With regards to the album, I have one thing to say that is coming more and more true the more I hear about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwamV1fbYQk
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Looks a bit like lonestar :lol
In his dreams!
;D
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DT12 is actually going to be a double album (Disc 1 and Disc 2), with one disc devoted to an entire 72 minute song divided into 12 sections (each section averages out to about 6 minutes each).
The second disc will consist of 11 individual songs, and one of them will be a two-part song, making each disc consist
of 12 tracks with 12 songs total.
Somewhere between those 24 tracks will be the instrumental.
Six Degrees was a double album, so it wouldn't surprise me if DT12 was a double album, if we're still crazy enough to believe in nuggetz.
5 + 8 = 12
OMG NUGGETZ
You and someone else did the 5+8=12 thing. Where did you guys learn to add?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g9oZ46dJpbk
another song from JM AND and instrumental!!!!! :metal :mehlin
THERE'S NOT A SINGLE THING IN THE UNIVERSE THAT'S BETTER THAN THE FACT THAT FREAKIN MR MYUNG ANSWERED MY QUESTION. I STARTED DANCING AROUND THE HOUSE, SCREAMING AND SHIT. My girlfriend gave me a strange look. BUT WHATEVER.
DT > GIRLFRIEND
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5 + 8 = 12
What the hell.
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I don't think everyone gets excited over instrumentals because we love the past ones so much, i think it's because we're hoping for a really good trump-card instrumental.
Hypothetically, an instrumental should be the greatest thing ever coming from DT, since every member has insane musical ability. Maybe I'm just speaking for myself, but I think just I'm waiting for the right one to finally be written.
But every song is an instrumental until they record vocals :P
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5 + 8 = 12
What the hell.
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DT12 is actually going to be a double album (Disc 1 and Disc 2), with one disc devoted to an entire 72 minute song divided into 12 sections (each section averages out to about 6 minutes each).
The second disc will consist of 11 individual songs, and one of them will be a two-part song, making each disc consist
of 12 tracks with 12 songs total.
Somewhere between those 24 tracks will be the instrumental.
Six Degrees was a double album, so it wouldn't surprise me if DT12 was a double album, if we're still crazy enough to believe in nuggetz.
5 + 8 = 12
OMG NUGGETZ
You and someone else did the 5+8=12 thing. Where did you guys learn to add?
I believe I said teh next album would be teh nuggets due to it being 5 + 8 = 13.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35298.msg1541895#msg1541895 < < <
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And the lyrics were nothing spectacular.
Those lyrics were infinitely better than any lyrics from the previous two albums, any song on those previous albums. They may not have been Shakespeare but a major improvement... ADTOE in itself was a major lyrical improvement
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THERE'S NOT A SINGLE THING IN THE UNIVERSE THAT'S BETTER THAN THE FACT THAT FREAKIN MR MYUNG ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
Wait, that was you who asked the question?
If so, that means that both questions so far have been from members of Dream Theater Forums! (AdamEastment and you.)
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DT12 is actually going to be a double album (Disc 1 and Disc 2), with one disc devoted to an entire 72 minute song divided into 12 sections (each section averages out to about 6 minutes each).
The second disc will consist of 11 individual songs, and one of them will be a two-part song, making each disc consist
of 12 tracks with 12 songs total.
Somewhere between those 24 tracks will be the instrumental.
Six Degrees was a double album, so it wouldn't surprise me if DT12 was a double album, if we're still crazy enough to believe in nuggetz.
5 + 8 = 12
OMG NUGGETZ
You and someone else did the 5+8=12 thing. Where did you guys learn to add?
I believe I said teh next album would be teh nuggets due to it being 5 + 8 = 13.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35298.msg1541895#msg1541895 < < <
But you quoted me, and I was talking about DT12.
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THERE'S NOT A SINGLE THING IN THE UNIVERSE THAT'S BETTER THAN THE FACT THAT FREAKIN MR MYUNG ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
Wait, that was you who asked the question?
If so, that means that both questions so far have been from members of Dream Theater Forums! (AdamEastment and you.)
I think 99% of questions asked were spammed by us
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Well, Cedar, you have my sincerest and biggest esteem. :) It's good to know that whatever church/organization you will be joining have people like you in it. :tup
Thanks man, I appreciate that. :tup
Edit: By the way, one of my friends just got his call to Italy.
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Looks a bit like lonestar :lol
In his wet dreams!
;D
Corrected! :rollin
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If that is true then they don't need to be videos. They could just be audio clips.
Well then it's settled. DT, if you are reading this, please... no more videos unless they are ZOMG1080pHIGHDEF!!!!!111 Because they are not worth anyone's time. Either release your updates on 3D BluRay or on some form of lossless audio format we can download... because 320 on youtube is not worthy of your fans.
(https://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120330172613/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/6/63/GuntherDance.gif)
Holy crap, do you belong to the AT forum? 'Cause that's the only other place I know with that penguin.
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THERE'S NOT A SINGLE THING IN THE UNIVERSE THAT'S BETTER THAN THE FACT THAT FREAKIN MR MYUNG ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
Wait, that was you who asked the question?
If so, that means that both questions so far have been from members of Dream Theater Forums! (AdamEastment and you.)
Yup! I am pretty sure we'll dominate these questions hehe!
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If that is true then they don't need to be videos. They could just be audio clips.
Well then it's settled. DT, if you are reading this, please... no more videos unless they are ZOMG1080pHIGHDEF!!!!!111 Because they are not worth anyone's time. Either release your updates on 3D BluRay or on some form of lossless audio format we can download... because 320 on youtube is not worthy of your fans.
(https://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120330172613/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/6/63/GuntherDance.gif)
Holy crap, do you belong to the AT forum? 'Cause that's the only other place I know with that penguin.
Honestly I have know idea what that is :lol
It's just one of several penguin emotes I have found to use around here. :JayOctavarium:
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Guys, what if the instrumental is a 30 second spacey intro that leads into the first song of the album??
That would suck. It should be a 10 minute super indulgent piece of epic... Wankery (for the lack of a better word, although wankery in DT's case is awesome), that leads into the second track.
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Guys, what if the instrumental is a 30 second spacey intro that leads into the first song of the album??
That would suck. It should be a 10 minute super indulgent piece of epic... Wankery (for the lack of a better word, although wankery in DT's case is awesome), that leads into the second track.
It should be 5 minutes of ultimate wankery that makes the dance of eternity look like a exercise in simplicity and the other 5 minutes a mellow and emotion to the point that it makes Hell's Kitchen and Eve look weep from it's beauty.
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It should be 5 minutes of ultimate wankery that makes the dance of eternity look like a exercise in simplicity and the other 5 minutes a mellow and emotion to the point that it makes Hell's Kitchen and Eve look weep from it's beauty.
And constantly changing.
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Didn't he write Breaking All Illusions though ?
I have to say I was really underwhelmed with that song.
And the lyrics were nothing spectacular.
You're a cool dude, but damn you're a negative Nancy sometimes.
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And the lyrics were nothing spectacular.
Those lyrics were infinitely better than any lyrics from the previous two albums, any song on those previous albums. They may not have been Shakespeare but a major improvement... ADTOE in itself was a major lyrical improvement
Agreed. BAI may not be LSOAD or ToT, but it was a step back in the right direction compared to most non Myung lyric albums.
JM's attitude was refreshing to hear for some reason; the band has X amount of songs that will need lyrics, and I'll take one.
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Didn't he write Breaking All Illusions though ?
I have to say I was really underwhelmed with that song.
And the lyrics were nothing spectacular.
I wouldn't call them "spectacular" either. But they were *miles and miles* better than anything from the previous album.
-J
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THERE'S NOT A SINGLE THING IN THE UNIVERSE THAT'S BETTER THAN THE FACT THAT FREAKIN MR MYUNG ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
Wait, that was you who asked the question?
If so, that means that both questions so far have been from members of Dream Theater Forums! (AdamEastment and you.)
Yup! I am pretty sure we'll dominate these questions hehe!
Dudes, we totally rule over everything :metal whenever I visit any of their personal fanpages, I always find one or two or three DTFers that I am aware of commenting under posts with awesome shit :heart
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It was you? :omg: I didn't understand it, he didn't read it properly, I think. This must be quite exciting for you, dear teenage weakling :laugh:
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Didn't he write Breaking All Illusions though ?
I have to say I was really underwhelmed with that song.
And the lyrics were nothing spectacular.
:omg: wait, is it April Fools Day??!!
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Didn't he write Breaking All Illusions though ?
I have to say I was really underwhelmed with that song.
And the lyrics were nothing spectacular.
To each his own, I guess. I, for one, find that "Breaking All Illusions" is easily the best song the band has written since "Lines in The Sand" and I do enjoy the lyrics. They're not devastatingly or achingly beatiful but they're pretty interesting and well-written.
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Always good to hear from JM, that' some good news. Also, four pages. :lol
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wait, these vids aren't in 5.1???
meh.
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WAIT, THE BAND IS SITTING IN A RELAXED DEMEANOR INSTEAD OF STANDING WITH ARMS CROSSED AND LOOKING BAD-ASS??? and it's not in 5.1 digital high definition surround sound?
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the video is only 39 seconds so it can't be any good
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Where was the video's audio mixed? Such a horrible sound...shame on them.
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They didn't let James sit on a couch. They've let down the fans. :(
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I don't know how anyone could be expecting to be blown away by any lyrics. My reaction to BAI was about the same to ToT. Beautiful thought provoking lyrics, unique to JM's style. Exactly what I wanted and expected. Of course in a way it was surprising in a good way...but I pretty much had faith it would be somewhat catchy, somewhat epic, somewhat thought provoking, and the rest was pretty much a pleasant surprise.
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From JLB's twitter :
James LaBrie @Piratecjs 4 h
All the music progress for DT and Solo stuff is amazing!! RAAWKK!
B.Lee
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I wanna heaaaar!!!!
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Has anyone here ever literally been moved by lyrics ?
To the point of " :'( I never thought of that " or " :-\ Man that is so true. "
Or even made a lifestyle change ?
I dunno - maybe I just don't care about lyrics that much.
I only notice when I really like them for rhythmical or humorous or clever reasons but never like :heart so moving...
Or if they're incredibly bad.
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I have
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I feel the same way. I wouldn't go so far as to say I don't care about lyrics, but when I hear a song for the first time, I am usually more tuned in to the music. The second listen, and more, if there are any, I will focus more the lyrics and take in the song as a whole.
There are rare occurrences when lyrics will move me, but that is a function of what is going on in my life when I hear the song for the first time. When it looked like my high school girlfriend and I were splitting up, I heard 'Long, Long Time' by Linda Ronstadt in my car (I remember it vividly). At the time, those lyrics were the most beautiful and moving I had ever heard. And I still think about that situation to this day when I hear that song.
I am moved quite often by literature and film, but I think for me there is just so much more time invested in the story, compared to a 5 minute long song.
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It can happen to me to be moved by lyrics, but that usually happens very far into my relationship with the song. Just like Cool Chris said, I don't care about the lyrics (and not being English-speaking helps) until the fourth or fifth listen or so. With bands I'm not really an avid fan of I can even never feel the need to check them out.
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Has anyone here ever literally been moved by lyrics ?
To the point of " :'( I never thought of that " or " :-\ Man that is so true. "
Or even made a lifestyle change ?
I dunno - maybe I just don't care about lyrics that much.
I only notice when I really like them for rhythmical or humorous or clever reasons but never like :heart so moving...
Or if they're incredibly bad.
I honestly don't care about lyrics that much, I can still enjoy a song and not care if the lyrics suck. But sometimes, a song, or even just a couple of lines, really hit home with me, so yes, I have been moved, and in no small part by DT's lyrics.
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By DT's lyrics? I've been moved by vacant and by the story in SFAM and by Johnny Cash's hurt, that got to me a lot :'( mainly due to it pretty much being about him dying
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I'd have to say that it's equally the lyrics AND the music for me.
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I'd have to say that it's equally the lyrics AND the music for me.
For me as well. An that is why SC and BC&SL didn't 'do it' for me really. Don't get me wrong , I love DT and anything they produce musically (to me) is far and away better than 90% of the music out there. But this two albums were very lyrically lazy IMO.
ADTOE was a step back in the right direction if you ask me. I'm hoping they use more of JLB's lyrics personally. The songs he writes tend to be very good. Sounds like JMX is down for a song, I wish I were more but ill take whatever he gives and JP's lyrics were much improved on ADTOE.
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Well said, Gary. :tup
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I think DT generally has bad lyrics. There are exceptions, and it hardly affects my enjoyment of DT songs at all (they're my favorite band, period). But I will admit that their lyrics are just bad.
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Yeah there are a few DT songs with good lyrics like Disappear, Six Degrees or A Change of Seasons which are really great lyrical works. Other than those and a few others DT lyrics are either just average or a bit silly.
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You guys have crazy legitimate opinions :laugh:
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I love great lyrics; DT wrote lots of them in the early days and there have been some brilliant lyrical moments on later albums too, but the music itself is the reason why I listen to DT, or any other band. Great lyrics can't save a song if the music is bad, but weak lyrics don't make a song worse if it's musically excellent.
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For me, it's like 80-90% music and 10-20% lyrics. In general, I agree with ? that lyrics can't save a bad song or trash a good one, but they can certainly enhance or diminish the effect of a song. For example, Scarred is a very good song, and would be one regardless of lyrics, but you have to agree that the overall effect of the song would be diminished if James was singing about his pet cat, Tibbles. And vice versa for any song with bad lyrics. Good, fitting lyrics can enhance a good song, and bad lyrics can diminish it. But the lyrics do not make the song good or bad. Even Scarred, Tibbles edition, would be a very good song. Just not as good as the real one.
But yes, I love lyrics when they do shine, and I think James LaBrie is especially good at times at emphasizing good lyrics. And early on, Dream Theater wrote some amazing lyrics. I think Images and Words and Awake are both pretty well flawless in the lyrical department. So, yes, the quality declined later (and now appears to be on the rise again), but don't neglect some of the lyrical greatness DT has achieved in the past.
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By DT's lyrics? I've been moved by vacant and by the story in SFAM and by Johnny Cash's hurt, that got to me a lot :'( mainly due to it pretty much being about him dying
tell me you're joking. that's a cover song...
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And the original absolutely destroys it.
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In general, I agree with ? that lyrics can't save a bad song or trash a good one, but they can certainly enhance or diminish the effect of a song.
I don't agree completely with that. It's true that good lyrics can't save a bad song, I see that all the time, but I believe aweful lyrics can completely trash a good musical piece, not only diminishing the effect of it.
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In general, I agree with ? that lyrics can't save a bad song or trash a good one, but they can certainly enhance or diminish the effect of a song.
I don't agree completely with that. It's true that good lyrics can't save a bad song, I see that all the time, but I believe aweful lyrics can completely trash a good musical piece, not only diminishing the effect of it.
Ok, if the lyrics are REALLY poor, they can ruin a song, but this hasn't happened to me with any DT song yet. The Count of Tuscany is a top 20 song for me and the rest of the songs with less stellar lyrics are also weak musically.
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Are we talking about good Dream Theater lyrics? Under a glass moon, Learning to live, Lifting shadows of a dream, Space dye vest, Trial of tears, Disappear, The Ministry of lost souls, Breaking all illusions, Beneath the surface... The thought-provoking, truly amazing ones.
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Yes, I've always wondered why many people seem to think lyrics are and have always been DT's weakness.
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And the original absolutely destroys it.
I can't stand the original. I don't think I've ever heard anything by Trent Reznor that I like.
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Fair enough, I really enjoy some of his stuff. He does great scores as well - did you watch The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo? He did the score for that one, I really dug it. It had an awesome version of the Immigrant Song.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuCGMvyE4C0
Dream Theater Twitter Q&A with John Petrucci Do you write the music first and then write lyrics?
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HOW MANY SHEETS DO THEY HAVE IN THEIR HANDS :omg:
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Poor James couldn't sit on a couch (I know it's been like that in all the videos, but I didn't pay attention to it until now)! :lol
I knew JP would give an answer like that, DT's music isn't that vocal-driven. Interesting that this got posted right after we had been discussing lyrics in this thread!
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Fair enough, I really enjoy some of his stuff. He does great scores as well - did you watch The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo? He did the score for that one, I really dug it. It had an awesome version of the Immigrant Song.
Oops, I forgot he did that. Some of the music in that movie was okay. I thought his take on Immigrant Song was interesting. I don't know if I liked it, but it was interesting.
Most of Trent's stuff, actually all of it that I've heard, seem to be going for the "OMG so fucking hardcore, so intense, so violent, so industrial, melt your face off" thing, and honestly, I was kinda into that like 20 years ago, but not now.
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Yes, I've always wondered why many people seem to think lyrics are and have always been DT's weakness.
From what I see I think it might be because on the grand scheme of things Lyrical quality might be an overall 7 or 8 out of 10, while the music is a solid 11 out of 10. JP and JMx are musians first, poets second imho.
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Most of Trent's stuff, actually all of it that I've heard, seem to be going for the "OMG so fucking hardcore, so intense, so violent, so industrial, melt your face off" thing
Not all of his stuff with NIN or any of the other side projects he's done is 100% about that. ::)
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Yes, I've always wondered why many people seem to think lyrics are and have always been DT's weakness.
From what I see I think it might be because on the grand scheme of things Lyrical quality might be an overall 7 or 8 out of 10, while the music is a solid 11 out of 10. JP and JMx are musians first, poets second imho.
What about Kevin, though? :) And I don't think you need to be a proper poet to write 10/10 lyrics, like JP, JM and JLB have done in the past.
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Yes, I've always wondered why many people seem to think lyrics are and have always been DT's weakness.
From what I see I think it might be because on the grand scheme of things Lyrical quality might be an overall 7 or 8 out of 10, while the music is a solid 11 out of 10. JP and JMx are musians first, poets second imho.
What about Kevin, though? :) And I don't think you need to be a proper poet to write 10/10 lyrics, like JP, JM and JLB have done in the past.
Well it certainly doesnt hurt I suppose. But you have to thinkk that at somepoint in the studio they must have completed a song and went "Damn... now we gotta make up words to go with that...."
Not everything is lyrically inspired I don't suppose LOL
Kevin? well he was just tortured inside so yeah, lots of great lyrics there!
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HOW MANY SHEETS DO THEY HAVE IN THEIR HANDS :omg:
I noticed that Mike Mangini doesn't have a sheet in his hand in this one. Maybe I just can't see it? :huh:
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I feel like the songs that people praise with "thought-provoking" don't really mean anything... I've tried analyzing Breaking All Illusions, Metropolis, etc. through and through again and I've come to the personal conclusion that it's pretentious gibberish, which is how I feel about Myung lyrics in general (I love JMX! But I just don't understand all the love for his lyrics!)
Examples for me of DT songs with good lyrics are The Great Debate (the best lyrics DT have written in my opinion), Voices, Misunderstood, and maybe Blind Faith, Lines In the Sand, and The Mirror.
...Also Honor Thy Father loljk
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Most of Trent's stuff, actually all of it that I've heard, seem to be going for the "OMG so fucking hardcore, so intense, so violent, so industrial, melt your face off" thing
Not all of his stuff with NIN or any of the other side projects he's done is 100% about that. ::)
Maybe not all, just all that I've heard.
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...Also Honor Thy Father loljk
To be fair to Honor Thy Father the lyrics do an incredible job of letting you know exactly the feelings and emotions the writer was trying to convey. :D
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it's pretentious gibberish
Those are the best lyrics :metal
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HOW MANY SHEETS DO THEY HAVE IN THEIR HANDS :omg:
One sheet with 5 questions, the other ones are blank ;D
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HOW MANY SHEETS DO THEY HAVE IN THEIR HANDS :omg:
One sheet with 5 questions, the other ones are blank ;D
:rollin
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HOW MANY SHEETS DO THEY HAVE IN THEIR HANDS :omg:
One sheet with 5 questions, the other ones are blank ;D
All lyrics and no bass makes John a dull boy.
All lyrics and no bass makes John a dull boy.
All lyrics and no bass makes John a dull boy.
All lyrics and no bass makes John a dull boy.
All lyrics and no bass makes John a dull boy.
All lyrics and no bass makes John a dull boy.
All lyrics and no bass makes John a dull boy.
All lyrics and no bass makes John a dull boy.
All lyrics and no bass makes John a dull boy.
All lyrics and no bass makes John a dull boy.
All lyrics and no bass makes John a dull boy.
All lyrics and no bass makes John a dull boy.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :clap:
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I feel like the songs that people praise with "thought-provoking" don't really mean anything... I've tried analyzing Breaking All Illusions, Metropolis, etc. through and through again and I've come to the personal conclusion that it's pretentious gibberish, which is how I feel about Myung lyrics in general (I love JMX! But I just don't understand all the love for his lyrics!)
Examples for me of DT songs with good lyrics are The Great Debate (the best lyrics DT have written in my opinion), Voices, Misunderstood, and maybe Blind Faith, Lines In the Sand, and The Mirror.
...Also Honor Thy Father loljk
The point of gibberish lyrics is that anyone interprets them as he wants to. Out there are some broken hearted people who will say that it's a love song, some philosophers who see it as a song about the meaning of life and possibly even some skinheads who will say it's a song about white supremacy. Such lyrics make everyone happy and give the band the maximum possible profit due to the large target audience.
But seriously, if an artist wants to write about something personal but he doesn't feel comfortable with telling the public all personal details, he can write such a song to express how he feels without revealing what exactly happened to him.
For my part, I just care about how the lyrics sound. In case of BAI, i feel like the sound of the words that James sings give additional strength to the song.
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For my part, I just care about how the lyrics sound. In case of BAI, i feel like the sound of the words that James sings give additional strength to the song.
For me, it's more about how they're worded. I mean, I don't give a shit about WHAT Forsaken is about, but the words, "Out of an ivory mist, I felt a stinging kiss, and saw a crimson stain on her lips," are fucking beautiful! I honestly think that was the best Pettrucci lyric in a long time.
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By DT's lyrics? I've been moved by vacant and by the story in SFAM and by Johnny Cash's hurt, that got to me a lot :'( mainly due to it pretty much being about him dying
tell me you're joking. that's a cover song...
I meant his cover of it, he made it into an extremely emotional song
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If anyone thinks songs like Lifting Shadows off a Dream have gibberish lyrics, you can have a great long talk with me.
In the past year of listening to Dream Theater, I have slowly been learning and figuring out what songs with these types of lyrics mean. So many songs like this or Learning to Live have such PROFOUND philosophies throughout that are often portrayed through metaphors. The reason two people can interpret them differently and both be correct is because the author's ideology is consistent and it applies to many different personal situations.
If you haven't been thinking about these things while listening to DT up to this point- congratulations, you have a lot to look forward to.
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The only DT lyrics I have problems with are the ones that make no sense and are pretty General phrase and stuff, like pull me under, under a glass moon, forsaken, status seeker (and almost all of WDaDU) 6:00.
Just to name a few, well I can't understand what they mean at all, I don't know if they do or not...
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I feel like the songs that people praise with "thought-provoking" don't really mean anything...
Although I don't agree with your specific examples, there's definitely a good point here that can apply to DT at times. But personally--if forced to choose between different types of suboptimal lyrics--I would much prefer ambiguous lyrics whose words at least "sound" good phonetically or that paint some kind of a picture despite not making much sense on the surface, to poorly-executed, contrived lyrics or pedestrian lyrics that sound like they were written by a first grader a la parts of TBOT.
Examples for me of DT songs with good lyrics are The Great Debate (the best lyrics DT have written in my opinion), Voices, Misunderstood, and maybe Blind Faith, Lines In the Sand, and The Mirror.
I think these are some of DT's very best songs lyrically, other than the two I've crossed out.
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The only DT lyrics I have problems with are the ones that make no sense and are pretty General phrase and stuff, like pull me under, under a glass moon, forsaken, status seeker (and almost all of WDaDU) 6:00.
Just to name a few, well I can't understand what they mean at all, I don't know if they do or not...
-I don't quite know what UAGM is about yet , it seems to be about marriage, but may have a double meaning.
-I DO know what 6:00 is about, and it's one of those big philosophies that I live my life by. It's one of the axioms that provides a theme of that entire album- part of the common thread. Has to do with taking command of your own freaking life even if it seems easier to just go with the flow. In the end, if you let others decide what's best for you, it eventually catches up to you and you have to dig yourself out of a hole- get unstuck from the web if you will- and finally start following your own dream, whether in regards to your career or love or anything else. But it's harder and harder the longer you wait. "It's too late for me.........nnnnNOW"
-Pull Me Under is about death, which other songs on I&W expand on. It really makes me start to think about the importance of Taking the Time and Learning to Live. Seize the day if you know what I mean.
-JP explains what Forsaken is about in Chaos in Progress and, much like tDEN, is not really a philosophy like those others, but is rather just a fun story. It has to do with a vampire I think.
-Status Seeker goes along with Fortune in Lies and Ytse Jam, I think. It's basically saying to a shallow man that there is more value to more things in life than just the superficial things he sees.
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Did you just say Ytse Jam has a lyrical meaning? ??? :mehlin
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I feel like the songs that people praise with "thought-provoking" don't really mean anything...
Although I don't agree with your specific examples, there's definitely a good point here that can apply to DT at times. But personally--if forced to choose between different types of suboptimal lyrics--I would much prefer ambiguous lyrics whose words at least "sound" good phonetically or that paint some kind of a picture despite not making much sense on the surface, to poorly-executed, contrived lyrics or pedestrian lyrics that sound like they were written by a first grader a la parts of TBOT.
That pretty much sums up DT's lyrics for me and well put. Pseudo-poetry over dictation.
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Did you just say Ytse Jam has a lyrical meaning? ??? :mehlin
Of course! But it's a little B-line. I mean, Myung pretty much always uses that kind of wording in every day speech.
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Well I knew what forsaken was about, but it doesn't have meaning, its just about a vampire really, right?
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Well I knew what forsaken was about, but it doesn't have meaning, its just about a vampire really, right?
Yes, but it's worded very nicely. It does have a sense of poetry about it, unlike, "Get into my car, let's go for a drive" for example.
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Did you just say Ytse Jam has a lyrical meaning? ??? :mehlin
It doesn't have lyrics, but of course it has emotion and meaning. I mean think about Dance of Eternity; you know what that's about don't you? It takes real brilliant men to portray a feeling as specific as wild sex with a terribly guilty conscience of a senator purely through music. That's why there is not a single note of that song that could be altered or edited and the song still mean the same thing, unlike all the pop songs today..
Ytse Jam is an "in your shallow face you sleepwalking sheep, I'm F-ing MAJESTIC" song to me.
Well I knew what forsaken was about, but it doesn't have meaning, its just about a vampire really, right?
Well that's what the descriptive words in the song are about. But now that I think about it, couldn't this hot vampire chick (who is ever so wonderfully portrayed by the music and lyrics) saying "Give yourself up to me" end up being the same concept as the devil saying "I can give you power beyond anything, All I ask is that you worship me" ? maybe? I was gonna listen to the whole album again soon, so I'll see if maybe I still think that's the case.
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Well I knew what forsaken was about, but it doesn't have meaning, its just about a vampire really, right?
Yes, but it's worded very nicely. It does have a sense of poetry about it, unlike, "Get into my car, let's go for a drive" for example.
to be completely honest, I think the lyrics of both songs fit their own TOOOOONNNE perfectly. One is a realistic story (realistic enough it happened to a guy in the band) and requires a more personal approach, more in a talking manner, while the other is fantasy and imagination of a mysterious beautiful creature. The emotions and complexities take place in different aspects of the stories.
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to be completely honest, I think the lyrics of both songs fit their own TOOOOONNNE perfectly. One is a realistic story (realistic enough it happened to a guy in the band) and requires a more personal approach, more in a talking manner, while the other is fantasy and imagination of a mysterious beautiful creature. The emotions and complexities take place in different aspects of the stories.
I like the last part the most, in TCOT. Everything from "Could this be the end?" is actually pretty cool... So maybe it's not the lyrics themselves that I don't like, but the phrasing. I'm pretty sure that if half of TCOT wasn't screamed out by Portnoy, I (and probably many others) would like it a lot more.
But strictly from a written perspective, Forsaken has a kind of poetry that songs like TCOT lack. As to how they fit their tone, I'm inclined to agree with you.
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i see your point. I think the part of TCOT that really won me over was the instrumentals and time signatures everywhere. And the chord structure. And everything else. Its just freakin amazing XD
lol but i see your point. Nice conversation, thank you!
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Oy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuCGMvyE4C0
Am I the only one who thought that was a ridiculously redundant question and that there were many much more interesting and specific questions they could have chosen?
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Oy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuCGMvyE4C0
Am I the only one who thought that was a ridiculously redundant question and that there were many much more interesting and specific questions they could have chosen?
Absolutely. I mean, it's a lame question to ask anyway (you get a chance to ask the band a question and that is what you ask?), and for them to pick that particular one was just odd. It reminds me of the old Rockline show where fans could ask the band a question on the air and you'd have fans asking the dumbest and most predictable questions. :facepalm:
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They're probably flooding right now with... "WHEN IS POTRNOE COMING BACK...INDONESIA PLS" questions, so it's wouldn't seem strange for them to pick a very generic one. Hope the next one is far more interesting, though.
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They should have one where the question is, "Why doesn't John Myung talk more?" One of the others can ask him the question, he doesn't a word and merely shrugs, and that's it. Clip over. Would be epic trolling on their part. :hat
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Maybe people just don't figure it out, since UAGM has pretty obscure lyrics, but (even because of this) after an in-depth analysis, we can find out that it's the most Awake-ish song of the album in terms of lyrics&meaning, so we could say it's the most "advanced" in some ways, a graceful bridge that connects Images and Words with the next album.
UAGM elements:
- mental distress/disorder - it shows evidence of paranoia (1), emotional instability (2), and general mental sickness (3)
nervous flashlights scan my dreams, liquid shadows silence their screams (1) (fearing that others can read your mind is one of the main paranoid attitudes)
I smile at the moon / argue with the clouds (2)
stealing beauty from my eyes (1) - (something from inside you that is being stolen by others is another typical paranoid thought)
Outside the soundness of your mind (3)
- christian religion - some lyrics are very reminiscent of the Holy Scriptures.
by your hand I've awakened, bear this honor in my name
under glass moonlight...the night awaits the lamb's arrival
The moon itself is a messianic bride symbol just as the sun is a messianic bridegroom symbol. Just as the moon has no light of its own but reflects the light of the sun and therefore shows its glory, so is the bride with the bridegroom.
The lunar cycle is a time prophecy that has to do with the bride. If you overheard someone talking about the monthly cycle, most of you would assume the topic of conversation was a woman's monthly cycle. You see, the moon and a woman's fertility cycle are linked together.
The obscure phrase "the bride subsides to her survival" could actually be connected with Eve. The first woman Eve, who was taken out of the First Adam's body is seen in Genesis 3 as having her ultimate salvation tied to her fruitfulness. There is, in this, a connection between her salvation and the lunar cycle that is her period of fruitfulness.
So these are all the reasons why I think it's a very Awake-ish song, blessed with very profound and evocative lyrics.
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Apart from this, I could say that, to me, lyrics represent more or less 1/3 of the beauty of a song, so they're still a very important element to my taste. I'd be the happiest man around if DT could get back to the amazing lyric level they had back in the early days. I'm looking forward to the next album and see if they can come up with some good lyrics.
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I feel like the songs that people praise with "thought-provoking" don't really mean anything... I've tried analyzing Breaking All Illusions, Metropolis, etc. through and through again and I've come to the personal conclusion that it's pretentious gibberish, which is how I feel about Myung lyrics in general (I love JMX! But I just don't understand all the love for his lyrics!)
I don't understand these lyrics.
They must be pretentious gibberish.
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You can't dance to lost not forgotten. Must be musically pretentious gibberish.
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Speaking on lyrical creativity, the one phrase in a DT song that has always stood out over the rest is within AIA:
"I've been trying to justify you... In the end I will just defy you..."
I always loved that phonetic marriage between "justify" and "just defy" :biggrin:
... And it's an awesome song :metal
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Heck yea! Yet another song with a message I live my life by.
People tell me "slow down, you're thinking too much" and I know it's simply because it's over their head. Thus the reason I don't let them touch the way I play.
It's amazing to know John Petrucci has felt EXACTLY the same way I have felt at some points.
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Oy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuCGMvyE4C0
Am I the only one who thought that was a ridiculously redundant question and that there were many much more interesting and specific questions they could have chosen?
Absolutely. I mean, it's a lame question to ask anyway (you get a chance to ask the band a question and that is what you ask?), and for them to pick that particular one was just odd. It reminds me of the old Rockline show where fans could ask the band a question on the air and you'd have fans asking the dumbest and most predictable questions. :facepalm:
I thought it was a silly question, my understanding is that most musicians work the music first and then work in the lyrics.
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Speaking on lyrical creativity, the one phrase in a DT song that has always stood out over the rest is within AIA:
"I've been trying to justify you... In the end I will just defy you..."
I always loved that phonetic marriage between "justify" and "just defy" :biggrin:
Me too :D I also like the message of the lyrics of AIA and can relate to it really well - I want to be honest and not change to please others.
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Oy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuCGMvyE4C0
Am I the only one who thought that was a ridiculously redundant question and that there were many much more interesting and specific questions they could have chosen?
Absolutely. I mean, it's a lame question to ask anyway (you get a chance to ask the band a question and that is what you ask?), and for them to pick that particular one was just odd. It reminds me of the old Rockline show where fans could ask the band a question on the air and you'd have fans asking the dumbest and most predictable questions. :facepalm:
Like people putting their hands up at a Guest Guitarist Clinic and then when they get picked they just go
" LOL Y R U SEW GUD LOL "
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Yes, but it's worded very nicely. It does have a sense of poetry about it, unlike, "Get into my car, let's go for a drive" for example.
THANK YOU. :clap:
It reminds me of the old Rockline show where fans could ask the band a question on the air and you'd have fans asking the dumbest and most predictable questions. :facepalm:
I agree but... their person taking the phone calls keeps track of what's being asked - I can't remember what question I was going to ask Billy Duffy and Jerry Cantrell, but I was told to ask the one about additional dates for their band at the time.
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Well the first post in this thread is Jan 4th so we're coming up on 3 months and one would guess they are getting pretty close
by now...hopefully.
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...72 minute song divided into 12 sections...
You mean The Whirlwind?
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The album will contain a whirlwind of nuggets... :neverusethis:
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I feel like the songs that people praise with "thought-provoking" don't really mean anything... I've tried analyzing Breaking All Illusions, Metropolis, etc. through and through again and I've come to the personal conclusion that it's pretentious gibberish, which is how I feel about Myung lyrics in general (I love JMX! But I just don't understand all the love for his lyrics!)
I don't understand these lyrics.
They must be pretentious gibberish.
Even if they do have some sort of meaning, they just really bother me. I feel like they are trying to get some sort of deep message across, but don't manage to and end up sounding ridiculous. They seem rather self-indulgent to me. Radiohead, for instance, manages to have really thought-provoking lyrics without sounding silly, like they really understand what they're trying to say, and don't make it obvious. I honestly don't think if a band member was asked what Under a Glass Moon was about, they'd be able to give you a good answer...
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The keep messing up the rhythm in the middle section of metropolis part 1 every time I listen to it. I have no idea what time signature they think they're playing in, but obviously these guys just don't know what they're doing. Sounds ridiculous. I totally can't even bop my head to it!
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The keep messing up the rhythm in the middle section of metropolis part 1 every time I listen to it. I have no idea what time signature they think they're playing in, but obviously these guys just don't know what they're doing. Sounds ridiculous. I totally can't even bop my head to it!
You should've put that in green, shouldn't you? Or am I mistaken?
B.Lee
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The keep messing up the rhythm in the middle section of metropolis part 1 every time I listen to it. I have no idea what time signature they think they're playing in, but obviously these guys just don't know what they're doing. Sounds ridiculous. I totally can't even bop my head to it!
You should've put that in green, shouldn't you? Or am I mistaken?
B.Lee
He means sarcasm green, if you have no idea of what Blee is talking about :tup
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Hey guys, DT is in the studio again. Shocking, I know.
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:omg:
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:dangerwillrobinson:
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:eek
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExKRUJMoyk4
Dream Theater Twitter Q&A with Jordan Rudess, How do you start a new song composition?
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That's pretty cool. Definitely more interesting than, "Do you write the music first or the lyrics?"
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He means sarcasm green, if you have no idea of what Blee is talking about :tup
yes I know about sarcasm green. I'll change it
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If you really need sarcasm green, you're probably missing the point.
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That's pretty cool. Definitely more interesting than, "Do you write the music first or the lyrics?"
Still nothing new, really. Although it's understandable that they are deliberately avoiding precise questions on the new record, besides the JM exception.
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Still nothing new, really. Although it's understandable that they are deliberately avoiding precise questions on the new record, besides the JM exception.
Well, there are probably certain things they're not allowed to say. Still, the things they CAN say, I wish they would.
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If you really need sarcasm green, you're probably missing the point.
That's why I didn't do it originally! It's a really clear point! Especially if you read my other comments. You can see Dream Theater has earned so much respect from me, that when I don't understand/like something of theirs the first time I see/hear it, I have reason to believe I'm just not seeing the whole picture. There have been a lot of times that I've realized the brilliance of something of theirs after a long time of knowing it.
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That's why I didn't do it originally! It's a really clear point! Especially if you read my other comments. You can see Dream Theater has earned so much respect from me, that when I don't understand/like something of theirs the first time I see/hear it, I have reason to believe I'm just not seeing the whole picture. There have been a lot of times that I've realized the brilliance of something of theirs after a long time of knowing it.
Where did that original comment about Metropolis come from though? I totally missed what it had to do with the conversation, so I was just really confused when I read it.
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If you really need sarcasm green, you're probably missing the point.
Cle-verrrr. :slowclap:
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I feel like the songs that people praise with "thought-provoking" don't really mean anything... I've tried analyzing Breaking All Illusions, Metropolis, etc. through and through again and I've come to the personal conclusion that it's pretentious gibberish, which is how I feel about Myung lyrics in general (I love JMX! But I just don't understand all the love for his lyrics!)
I don't understand these lyrics.
They must be pretentious gibberish.
Even if they do have some sort of meaning, they just really bother me. I feel like they are trying to get some sort of deep message across, but don't manage to and end up sounding ridiculous. They seem rather self-indulgent to me. Radiohead, for instance, manages to have really thought-provoking lyrics without sounding silly, like they really understand what they're trying to say, and don't make it obvious. I honestly don't think if a band member was asked what Under a Glass Moon was about, they'd be able to give you a good answer...
OK.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExKRUJMoyk4
Dream Theater Twitter Q&A with Jordan Rudess, How do you start a new song composition?
Dream Theater: Planting their seed to achieve musical consummation
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Where did that original comment about Metropolis come from though? I totally missed what it had to do with the conversation, so I was just really confused when I read it.
"I don't understand these lyrics. They must be pretentious gibberish."
"I have no idea what time signature they think they're playing in, obviously these guys just don't know what they're doing."
I mean really guys the first time anyone listens to Dream Theater, they don't get it. I'm sure we can all relate to this- trying to show Dream Theater to a friend who just doesn't get it and says they don't like it, but we know that if they were to listen closer and try to understand it, they would LOVE it. And not only that, but they would greatly benefit from the expanding of their mind.
So what is it, now that you're a DT fan, you are done and exempt from growing or thinking?
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"I don't understand these lyrics. They must be pretentious gibberish."
"I have no idea what time signature they think they're playing in, obviously these guys just don't know what they're doing."
Ohh, okay, I see. You were juxtaposing. I wasn't sure how talking about lyrics went to talking about the music itself. But okay, I understand now.
The problem I have with lyrics like Lifting Shadows isn't that they're unclear, or too poetic, or pretentious, or whatever. It's that they're a little too vague. Yes, they easily allow a person to make the song about whatever it means to them personally, but I just feel like it's a little vague in that respect. It's the same thing with "The Answer Lies Within". I love the song, but the lyrics almost feel like that standard Disney Princess song, that's in every one of their movies, where the princess sings about how she wants to break away from it all, she want's more, she wants it. But what the hell is she talking about exactly?
Now, I'm not saying this is the case, but the lyrics end up being so vague, that it feels like even the writer doesn't know what the song is about. It's like all those 80's songs that say, "I will steak my claim! I will go get it!" But there's no actual personal meaning behind it at all, it just feels like they're writing vague lyrics just for the sake of saying, "Well, this way the fans will make it about something personal to them." Which is okay, but at least SOME clarity usually works best, which is why I actually prefer the lyrics to songs like These Walls and Beneath The Surface, where even though there is some clarity to them, and they clearly have a particular message in mind, but they still allow for infinite interpretations.
And sure, it's possible that I'm not fully understanding the lyrics to LSOAD, but I actually prefer it when I don't understand them BECAUSE they're specific. Like, "Once again we dance in the crowd at times a step away.." that whole section, I don't know what the hell it's about! But I love it, because it... Ahem... Evokes such interesting images with its words...
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TGP, I'd recommend sitting in on a few poetry classes.
Though if you just prefer lyrics where everything's spelled-out, Ayreon has like 5 albums :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Though if you just prefer lyrics where everything's spelled-out, Ayreon has like 5 albums :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
I just said I loved the lyrics in Learning to Live and of course, there's Metropolis. If that's spelling everything out, then, I don't know what's considered 'poetry' anymore.
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The Answer Lies Within is not vague at all. It's just cliched as hell.
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Well honestly, I just reread your post, and I'm not really sure either of us know what you're saying ;) I think you're saying you like lyrics with lots of imagery, whether you understand it or not. And LSOAD is too abstract? I agree that parts are weird (what's the title even mean?) but there's lots of great imagery in that song, too.
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The motif of water is particularly well used in LSOAD.
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Well honestly, I just reread your post, and I'm not really sure either of us know what you're saying ;) I think you're saying you like lyrics with lots of imagery, whether you understand it or not. And LSOAD is too abstract? I agree that parts are weird (what's the title even mean?) but there's lots of great imagery in that song, too.
No, you're right. It's not the abstractness of LSOAD that I'm saying turns me off, it's that the message behind it just that the message seems a little flimsy. "Lifting Shadows off a Dream once broken," I mean, hefdaddy thinks that TALW is a cliche'? Well, I think LSOAD is just as much of a cliche' that's merely disguised in some creative poetry. And yes, good on Myung for making use of that poetry, but while it makes the wording more interesting, it doesn't make the message any deeper or more thought provoking.
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Nothing cliche about LSOAD.
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Werent all of Myungs lyrics reworked from his freebase style he presented them in?
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Nothing cliche about LSOAD.
Then please enlighten me on what the lyrics are about. What is this original and unique message that LSOAD is trying to present?
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If it's so vague, how come I was able to figure out exactly what it means?
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We can only speculate, nobody can really tell what it's about. That's what's so rewarding about JM's lyrics, you're allowed to interpret them in whatever way you want. I did it, and now I see it as the most meaningful and deep Dream Theater song lyrically. So take your time and try to come up with something, it wouldn't be fun if a whole bunch of us gave away our own ideas before you. :tup
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If it's so vague, how come I was able to figure out exactly what it means?
We can only speculate, nobody can really tell what it's about. That's what's so rewarding about JM's lyrics, you're allowed to interpret them in whatever way you want. I did it, and now I see it as the most meaningful and deep Dream Theater song lyrically. So take your time and try to come up with something, it wouldn't be fun if a whole bunch of us gave away our own ideas before you. :tup
So which is it? Is there a way to figure out EXACTLY what it means? Or can we only speculate and interpret them in whatever ways we want?
It feels like even the people defending it are split.
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So which is it? Is there a way to figure out EXACTLY what it means? Or can we only speculate and interpret them in whatever ways we want?
It feels like even the people defending it are split.
I can only speak for myself, but with everything I know put into account, I can say I am almost positive about what I think the song is about. Of course I have my own reasons it relates to me personally, and I can only speculate that the song was written to inspire someone in a similar position to mine.
Then please enlighten me on what the lyrics are about. What is this original and unique message that LSOAD is trying to present?
I'd love to. But, it's not simple. It would take a LOOONGG time for me to explain the whole thing (first clue it's not totally cliche), but I'll give you some insight as to what I think it's about. I know you are talking to hefdaddy42, but I'm just saying I'd like to also.
Remember on the 5YIALT commentary they asked JM to finally say what LSOAD is about and he said it was too long? Ok well maybe it's not too long if they wanted to take up the rest of the commentary, but for the men who wrote it to do it any justice, it would take a while.
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It feels like even the people defending it are split.
Now that's interesting. ;D I guess some people might be sure they figured out what the lyrics exactly mean, but I wouldn't think so.
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Nothing cliche about LSOAD.
Then please enlighten me on what the lyrics are about. What is this original and unique message that LSOAD is trying to present?
Do you know what "cliche" means?
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I enjoy JMX's lyrics because he's an abstract writer. It's not that his lyrics mean something specific per say, but he structures them in such a way that the same song or verse can mean completely different things to different people.
There are abstract artists, there are artists that are into realism. Same thing in writing but I think it's called abstract and concrete writing. With concrete writers being very specific. I think JP and JLB are a good mixture of both styles but JMX...to me...seems to be an abstract writer and I love that type of lyric.
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Do you know what "cliche" means?
Yes. Now either explain to me why LSOAD is not a cliche' or stop being so condescending.
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It's not obvious, but honestly, LSOAD isn't vague, UAGM totally is but the simultaneous beauty and ambiguity in the lyrics is my favorite part of the song... You know, aside from that perfect guitar solo. But anyways, LSOAD is about a man's trepidation towards a relationship and love, but he's not sure why he feels that way. But he is eventually able to "pour his soul into the water". Kind of simplifying it, but yeah. LtL, BAI, and ToT are all heavily existentialist, and if Fatal Tragedy is vague then my mind is fuck. And a cliche is a trend or phrase so overused that it is dull or has changed meaning. LSOAD is as much a cliche as red is green.
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It's not obvious, but honestly, LSOAD isn't vague, UAGM totally is but the simultaneous beauty and ambiguity in the lyrics is my favorite part of the song... You know, aside from that perfect guitar solo. But anyways, LSOAD is about a man's trepidation towards a relationship and love, but he's not sure why he feels that way. But he is eventually able to "pour his soul into the water". Kind of simplifying it, but yeah. LtL, BAI, and ToT are all heavily existentialist, and if Fatal Tragedy is vague then my mind is fuck. And a cliche is a trend or phrase so overused that it is dull or has changed meaning. LSOAD is as much a cliche as red is green.
Well, see, I never in a million years would have guessed that's what the song is actually about.
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What is LSOAD about? (https://faq.dtnorway.com/question?questionid=88)
... that song is more or less just reflecting the duality that exists between a man and a woman; the spiritual side of the relationship & how they both can compliment one another.
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What is LSOAD about? (https://faq.dtnorway.com/question?questionid=88)
... that song is more or less just reflecting the duality that exists between a man and a woman; the spiritual side of the relationship & how they both can compliment one another.
I didn't know that, it's a wonderful subject. I should have a re-read of the lyrics.
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From a poetic point of view, LSOAD is simply one of the best songs of DT discography.
The lyrics provide a fascinating and delicate dreamlike atmosphere. Everything is so fragile and uncertain, that it really reflects the mood you get from some of key moments of a love affair. You are lifting off but you may fall at any moment ("breaking delicate wings"), you feel that powerful emotional drive but at the same time you are afraid of what can be next, or fear that any wrong move might spoilt everything off ("moved by desire and fear"). The magic of a relationship can be very fragile, but still nonetheless mind blowing.
LSOAD pictures love as a spiritual experience, something that transcends reality, and this effort is typically poetic, from any point of view; but instead of ending up with something cliched, JM succeds in one of the toughest challenge for a writer: talking about a classic topic in an original way.
Also from a stylistic point of view, the song is very well written. It even uses figures of speech of great effect, such as in the line "the chill of winter's darkness sits quietly" where an anthropomorphization is used to enhance an already powerful scenery.
Last but not least, the lyrics fit simply perfectly to the music.
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Do you know what "cliche" means?
Yes. Now either explain to me why LSOAD is not a cliche' or stop being so condescending.
I wasn't being condescending. I was asking whether or not you knew what "cliche" means. It's when a phrase has been so overused that it is no longer relevant. It has nothing to do with being vague or not understanding what something means.
TALW is loaded with cliches. Which lyrics in LSOAD strike you as cliche?
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I'm not going to get too embroiled in this, cos I've had this conversation a few times before, and I don't know that I've got much to say that I haven't already said - but I basically agree with the Great Pretender and wanted to quickly lend my view. That said, I'm feeling a bit monosyllabic right now, so I'm just going to copy and paste from an old thread. I hope everyone's okay with this.
I've got one. I really don't know why everyone freaks out about JMX writing lyrics. I don't think they're that great. Other than BAI, which I really like.. but then again, JP helped with that one, so who knows what JMX actually wrote. But I really don't see what the deal is with songs like Lifting Shadows.
I think why people like JM lyrics is cuz he writes "cryptic" lyrics in that they give the listener breathing room to interpret them how they want. Kevin Moore wrote the same way. Most of the other guys write "literal" lyrics that are just so obvious what the song is about and it really stifles any opportunity for the listener to have a personal connection unless they can directly relate to them.
I broadly agree with Lord of the Strings, but I do like it when JM contributes simply because it adds another voice to the band.
I do think John's lyrics are a little samey, though, and they threaten to become word salad in places. They've got pleasant imagery, and they're broadly uplifting, but I think he's a good lyricist with his own strengths and flaws just like any of the others. I also think that as he writes so sparingly, we don't see as much of the weakness or the repetition as we have and do with other lyricists. If Myung was writing seven songs per album and Petrucci was writing one every four years(ish) I don't think the band's lyrics would be any better. Again, just different strengths and weaknesses. Same goes for Kev! Perfectly good writer, interesting stuff to say and he expresses it well, but he's not exceptional.
Honestly, my least favourite DT lyricist? Early-90s Petrucci. It's pleasant, but it's... just nonsense, isn't it? Even he couldn't tell you what Under a Glass Moon is about. Much better nowadays. Misunderstood is, in my (possibly controversial, possibly not!) opinion, the band's finest lyrical moment. It's the balance. It's evocative, plenty of images, parallels, but it's also close enough to be relatable. Makes you feel something. "Never use a long word when a short one will do" - George Orwell! Wrapping your point in layer upon layer of abstract imagery and metaphor isn't a good way to connect to your listener. UaGM sounds pretty enough, but I couldn't be more disconnected if I tried.
This also goes for a lot of fan favourites - Voices, Scarred. I'm glad someone else is getting something from them. That's grand, I'm glad they're as popular as they are, and it's clearly me who's missing out. But I am missing out. I'm just getting a list of metaphors. Not cogent, there's no connection - Voices goes from a spider to an angel to an old man to a newsstand. It doesn't take me anywhere. I mean, yes, it takes me to a pool, and a window, and a newsagents, but that's not a journey, that's a slideshow. There's no comment, it's just "look at this spider." Erratic. Whatever it's alluding to, whatever statement it's making, it's not made within the song. I find it a bit - whisper it - dull!
Not that I'm saying diverse imagery can't work. Petrucci sticks with the disparate image thing for pretty much his whole career, but it's fair to say he improves as he goes along. Images feel connected in later songs. "Playing a lion being led to a cage, I turn from a thief to a beggar, from a god to God, save me," not only have you got a strong biblical imagery, but there's a very clear vein of strength-to-weakness. I'm sure there's something like that in Voices, too, but you have to dig pretty deep, and possibly double check in an encyclopedia. The song's not making the statement.
Right, now, someone say something more controversial so nobody reads this! Bring back Mike Portnoy! John Myung looks better in white! David Prater was the only man who ever understood what Dream Theater really means!
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Not trying to be mean, Rob, but... if you can't muster up an interpretation of Voices or Scarred, or Under a Glass Moon, you're just not trying very hard.
Same with The Great Pretender with LSOAD. It's not James Joyce. I'd be willing to bet that if you guys spent half the amount of time you've spent bashing these lyrics actually trying to interpret them, you'd come up with something decent ;)
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There's no comment, it's just "look at this spider." Erratic. Whatever it's alluding to, whatever statement it's making, it's not made within the song. I find it a bit - whisper it - dull!
Well, I guess "look at this spider" has more of an effect on you if you're really fucking scared of spiders like I am.
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Anyway, I'd like to direct participants of this thread to my complaint here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36480.0
Meanwhile, new thread here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36495.0
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Alright I'm gonna go to that thread and write a little bit about the brilliance of Awake, which, not trying to be insulting, but to be honest I have a feeling almost no one here quite understands.
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:lol
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not trying to be insulting
but to be honest I have a feeling almost no one here quite understands.
Yeah... you didn't succeed. :lol :lol
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i apologize. I'm sure you guys are all great people ;D haha
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I like your shoes!
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What is LSOAD about? (https://faq.dtnorway.com/question?questionid=88)
... that song is more or less just reflecting the duality that exists between a man and a woman; the spiritual side of the relationship & how they both can compliment one another.
Ah. Wasn't that far off, cool. Its a very uplifting song in that right.
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not trying to be insulting
but to be honest I have a feeling almost no one here quite understands.
Yeah... you didn't succeed. :lol :lol
:lol :rollin ;D :biggrin:
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Q&A from twitter with MM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iehVFvl9TPM&feature=em-uploademail
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Q&A from twitter with MM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iehVFvl9TPM&feature=em-uploademail
Finally a better question than the last two i think
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yes but the answer is lol..."I just listen and go, I can't explain" ;D
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It would be waaaaay too complicated for us normal people to understand if he went more in-depth :D
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It would be waaaaay too complicated for us normal people to understand if he went more in-depth :D
Yes, this :lol
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Looking at the drum set first, what an interesting approach. Nice answer. :tup
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"The Johns"
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That's a pretty awesome question, and the first part of his explanation is pretty interesting. I can't freakin' wait to hear the new album!!!
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"The Johns"
:lol :lol :lol
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"The Johns"
:lol :lol :lol
What's so funny about having multiple toilets nearby? It's handy in case one is being used.
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"The Johns"
:lol :lol :lol
What's so funny about having multiple toilets nearby? It's handy in case one is being used.
Especially if John is using it.
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"The Johns"
:lol :lol :lol
What's so funny about having multiple toilets nearby? It's handy in case one is being used.
Especially if John is using it.
What if both Johns are using them?
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Then they'll use one of the holes James is always digging with his shovel.
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"The Johns"
:lol :lol :lol
What's so funny about having multiple toilets nearby? It's handy in case one is being used.
Mangini pisses in one using his feet and the other using his hands to shake...simultaneously!
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"The Johns"
:lol :lol :lol
What's so funny about having multiple toilets nearby? It's handy in case one is being used.
Mangini pisses in one using his feet and the other using his hands to shake...simultaneously!
9/10, would read again!
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"The Johns"
:lol :lol :lol
What's so funny about having multiple toilets nearby? It's handy in case one is being used.
Mangini pisses in one using his feet and the other using his hands to shake...simultaneously!
Too damn funny Tim! :lol
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Then they'll use one of the holes James is always digging with his shovel.
(https://blizzforums.com/images/smilies/new/smiley-drumroll.gif)
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JP Studio Rig VIDEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QQQZubv-lJw
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Thx for posting! :tup
Am i wrong in saying that was the first video from the studio? (Not including the question videos).
"Sounds like a T-Rex screaming at yo face!" /JP
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JP Studio Rig VIDEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QQQZubv-lJw
Neat. If only we got a JMX Studio Rig Vid.
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JP Studio Rig VIDEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QQQZubv-lJw
"This album is full of boogies. It's chock full of boogies." -- John Petrucci :facepalm:
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"This little... Metropolis... Of Boogies..." :rollin NUGGETZ!
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"So there you have it. That's it. That's my arsenal of boogies." -- John Petrucci
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JP Studio Rig VIDEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QQQZubv-lJw
:o :omg:
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"So there you have it. That's it. That's my arsenal of boogies." -- John Petrucci
I was expecting him to end with "See you...on the road." :lol
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CHOCK FULL OF BOOGIES
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The toones are crushing. Nice.
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"Like a T Rex screaming in your face" :metal
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"This little... Metropolis... Of Boogies..." :rollin NUGGETZ!
@JP:
HOW DO I LOVE THEE, LET ME COUNT THE WAYS. :biggrin:
fucking priceless.
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. . . and it's in HD. Isn't that great :biggrin:
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. . . and it's in HD. Isn't that great :biggrin:
YEAH GUYS, isn't it that much more informative because of how clear the quality has become??
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I don't see why DT12 CAN'T have any boogies in it. Maybe a waltz and a tango too. I'm serious.
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I don't see why DT12 CAN'T have any boogies in it. Maybe a waltz and a tango too. I'm serious.
It should have mangos.
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I don't see why DT12 CAN'T have any boogies in it. Maybe a waltz and a tango too. I'm serious.
It should have mangos.
Mangos, I don't know, but bongos, definitely!
B.Lee
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I don't see why DT12 CAN'T have any boogies in it. Maybe a waltz and a tango too. I'm serious.
Do you mean something like Haken's Shapeshifter? I'm down for it :metal
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JP Studio Rig VIDEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QQQZubv-lJw
Instant boner!!!
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JP hinting at Metropolis Pt.3 with the *points at 3 boogies* Metropolis *looks at camera with a silly grin* of boogies
Clearly, then, next album is Metropolis Pt.3 Electric Boogieloo? (Yeah, was reaching there sorry!)
Seriously though, doesn't seem that impossible to me.
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JP hinting at Metropolis Pt.3 with the *points at 3 boogies* Metropolis *looks at camera with a silly grin* of boogies
Clearly, then, next album is Metropolis Pt.3 Electric Boogieloo? (Yeah, was reaching there sorry!)
Seriously though, doesn't seem that impossible to me.
*shivers*
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JP hinting at Metropolis Pt.3 with the *points at 3 boogies* Metropolis *looks at camera with a silly grin* of boogies
Clearly, then, next album is Metropolis Pt.3 Electric Boogieloo? (Yeah, was reaching there sorry!)
Seriously though, doesn't seem that impossible to me.
*shivers*
That could really go either way as far as how you meant it. :lol
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JP hinting at Metropolis Pt.3 with the *points at 3 boogies* Metropolis *looks at camera with a silly grin* of boogies
Clearly, then, next album is Metropolis Pt.3 Electric Boogieloo? (Yeah, was reaching there sorry!)
Seriously though, doesn't seem that impossible to me.
I would actually be afraid of a new Metropolis Part, cause there is NO WAY they can reach the level of SFAM or even Metropolis Pt. 1 once again.
JP hinting at Metropolis Pt.3 with the *points at 3 boogies* Metropolis *looks at camera with a silly grin* of boogies
Clearly, then, next album is Metropolis Pt.3 Electric Boogieloo? (Yeah, was reaching there sorry!)
Seriously though, doesn't seem that impossible to me.
*shivers*
That could really go either way as far as how you meant it. :lol
:lol :lol
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JP hinting at Metropolis Pt.3 with the *points at 3 boogies* Metropolis *looks at camera with a silly grin* of boogies
Clearly, then, next album is Metropolis Pt.3 Electric Boogieloo? (Yeah, was reaching there sorry!)
Seriously though, doesn't seem that impossible to me.
*shivers*
That could really go either way as far as how you meant it. :lol
Well, doing Metropolis Pt.3 could go either way too :D
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Well, doing Metropolis Pt.3 could go either way too :D
Touche!
@april At least you can trust DT more than most to do a good part 3 :lol
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@april At least you can trust DT more than most to do a good part 3 :lol
Honestly, I dont trust them enough ;)
But I really doubt they would release Pt3 if it's like SC quality-wise :laugh:
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I would actually be afraid of a new Metropolis Part, cause there is NO WAY they can reach the level of SFAM or even Metropolis Pt. 1 once again.
Asleep, yet so afraid?
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I would actually be afraid of a new Metropolis Part, cause there is NO WAY they can reach the level of SFAM or even Metropolis Pt. 1 once again.
Asleep, yet so afraid?
There must be the third and last dance
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I would actually be afraid of a new Metropolis Part, cause there is NO WAY they can reach the level of SFAM or even Metropolis Pt. 1 once again.
Asleep, yet so afraid?
There must be the third and last dance
Will it last forever?
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Honestly, I dont trust them enough ;)
But I really doubt they would release Pt3 if it's like SC quality-wise :laugh:
SC is amazing. I wouldn't mind that at all.
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I would actually be afraid of a new Metropolis Part, cause there is NO WAY they can reach the level of SFAM or even Metropolis Pt. 1 once again.
Asleep, yet so afraid?
There must be the third and last dance
Will it last forever?
It's the dance of eternity.
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Honestly, I dont trust them enough ;)
But I really doubt they would release Pt3 if it's like SC quality-wise :laugh:
SC is amazing. I wouldn't mind that at all.
Are you one of the SC >>>>> Octavarium guys?, :D
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Are you one of the SC >>>>> Octavarium guys?, :D
I don't understand why compare it to Octavarium specifically, but sure. I'm one of the SC >>>>>> Awake and SDOIT guys, if that puts it in a better perspective.
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So, in other words, insane. :P
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So, in other words, insane. :P
You say that like insanity is a bad thing.
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So, in other words, insane. :P
I'm insane too, but Awake & 6DOIT >>>>>>> SC.
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SFAM > Awake & 6DOIT >>>>>>> SC.
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I'm insane too, but Awake & 6DOIT >>>>>>> SC.
You're right, that is insane. :lol
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I'm insane too, but Awake & 6DOIT >>>>>>> SC.
:tup
Awake > everything else >>>>>>> SC
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjtG1NgNxsY
2nd question with JLB. Kinda meh.
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"INTERESTING-LYY" ;D
Actually we didn't know that, although it makes sense. And he is recording the vocs for the fifth solo album at the same time I think?
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"INTERESTING-LYY" ;D
Actually we didn't know that, although it makes sense. And he is recording the vocs for the fifth solo album at the same time I think?
Yes, I believe he is, even though there is no official confirmation (or I missed/forgot it, which is entirely possible) for that.
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I think he said that in a reply to a reply or whatever... I really don't know how Twitter works :lol
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I think he said that in a reply to a reply or whatever... I really don't know how Twitter works :lol
So, we know he is. We also know now that the tracking of the vocals is still to begin, if I interpreted his words correctly. Or actually, it had yet to start by the time those videos were filmed, which was...?
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Not that I think it will matter too much since JP seemed to be actively producing the vocal tracking on ADTOE guess this way the other guys might be able to provide some input as well. However, this was the most interesting tidbit after the instrumental/myung lyrics. Most of the rest of the questions have been a bit meh.
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Not that I think it will matter too much since JP seemed to be actively producing the vocal tracking on ADTOE guess this way the other guys might be able to provide some input as well.
I'm hoping there will be more of, "You should do that part an octave higher." I really missed JLB's high, loud and powerful vocals on ADTOE. Apart from a couple of parts, he stayed mostly in a very comfortable range.
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DTForum.org got a mention :metal
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DTForum.org got a mention :metal
Yey! Another confirmation that they respond to stuff we ask them. :biggrin:
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DTForum.org got a mention :metal
I asked the same question so i'm quite pleased they've chosen to answer it!
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Next Question :
" What colour clothing does John Myung favour ? "
Myung :
" . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . black."
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Next Question :
" What colour clothing does John Myung favour ? "
Myung :
" . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . black."
When asked "How much more black could your clothes get?"
Myung replied "none black"
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I don't see why DT12 CAN'T have any boogies in it. Maybe a waltz and a tango too. I'm serious.
The perverted tango, ala Frank Zappa perhaps? :biggrin:
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DTForum.org got a mention :metal
We did? Where?
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I don't see why DT12 CAN'T have any boogies in it. Maybe a waltz and a tango too. I'm serious.
The perverted tango, ala Frank Zappa perhaps? :biggrin:
Now that would definitely be a dance of.... Umm.... I just can't think of it... Like, this one will last forever, you know? Like, something to do with love... Like love is the dance of.... Argh, it's just not coming to me!
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DTForum.org got a mention :metal
We did? Where?
From James when he read the twitter question.
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That's DTF's twitter account I think.
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It is.
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I don't see why DT12 CAN'T have any boogies in it. Maybe a waltz and a tango too. I'm serious.
The perverted tango, ala Frank Zappa perhaps? :biggrin:
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_139.gif)
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A gift from JP during the writing of a song.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/24622_492353824146714_649610140_n.jpg)
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:lol
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:lol
What are those exactly? M&Ms? :neverusethis:
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Looks like jellybeans.
:drool:
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Looks like jellybeans.
:drool:
No fair I was gonna write that til I got the "new reply has been posted" message..
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This can only mean one thing: guest appearances from Ty Tabor and Rod Morgenstein.
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A gift? Mangini must be doing something right!
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A gift from JP during the writing of a song.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/24622_492353824146714_649610140_n.jpg)
Sweeties both of 'em (and the candy) really.
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You know, I wish somebody recorded a whole song's writing session, edited it and made it accessible. I would looove to know how they go about it.
I could totally see though how that would descend into a massive shitfest for the fans. "Why was James' suggestion overruled?!" etc. etc.
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A gift? Mangini must be doing something right!
I hope JP sang "The gift we bring your majesty" when he gave them to MM.
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You know, I wish somebody recorded a whole song's writing session, edited it and made it accessible. I would looove to know how they go about it.
They kinda did something like that in the "Making Of Train Of Thought" video, although these are only short clips. So I definitely agree with you. That would be awesome to watch.
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I know that pic owes a lot to perspective but MM really does have enormous hands.
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I hope JP sang "The gift we bring your majesty" when he gave them to MM.
More like "Your Manjinisty"
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I know that pic owes a lot to perspective but MM really does have enormous hands.
He does, and he doenst shake yours when you meet him. Thats a fact, but not because he is cocky or something, is just beacuse of self care.
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Steve Howe is the same way. At Meet and Greets, he'll talk to you, but you do not touch his hands.
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Steve Howe is the same way. At Meet and Greets, he'll talk to you, but you do not touch his hands.
The same with Donnati, i was lucky to be the only one on the meet and greet after me the other guys just recieved a fist punch hahaha.. i think it might be a pro drummers rule. i mean is understandable when you realize that their hand are extremly delicate.
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Oh yeah, totally understandable. Their hands are their livelihood. If they actually shook hands with all the fans they meet every day, their hands would be ruined, and obviously that would be very bad. Politicians have serious problems with that sometimes, shaking hands all day, every day, especially during campaigns. Their hands literally get rubbed raw. Yuck.
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Not to mention you have a good chance of running upon one of those assholes who think you aren't a man unless you turn someones hand into roadkill when shaking it. Uggh, could only imagine if I was a pro musician and someone did that to my hand...
Not hating on a firm shake, but you know the kind I'm talking about. It's like they are trying to shatter every finger-bone in your hand or something.
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A gift? Mangini must be doing something right!
I hope JP sang "The gift we bring your majesty" when he gave them to MM.
And MM replied with "TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE!!!!!"
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A gift? Mangini must be doing something right!
I hope JP sang "The gift we bring your majesty" when he gave them to MM.
And MM replied with "TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE!!!!!"
This is possibly the best thing ever.
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Oh yeah, totally understandable. Their hands are their livelihood. If they actually shook hands with all the fans they meet every day, their hands would be ruined, and obviously that would be very bad. Politicians have serious problems with that sometimes, shaking hands all day, every day, especially during campaigns. Their hands literally get rubbed raw. Yuck.
Exactly! Actually MM was very polite he told me: don't take me wrong, is just that my hands are very sensitive after a show since sometimes I smash the kit very hard. And I go through some treatment on my hands wIth and specialist.
Ad I was like: man, who am I to recieve an explanation from you haha.
Great experience btw.
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That's why I only shook hands with JLB.
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I know that pic owes a lot to perspective but MM really does have enormous hands.
He does, and he doenst shake yours when you meet him. Thats a fact, but not because he is cocky or something, is just beacuse of self care.
Was it him that says a fan shook hands with him really hard once and he doesn't want to risk damaging his hands ?
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^ Oh wait it was Les Claypool.
He said a fan jokingly shook hands really hard and so Les doesn't shake hands anymore.
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That's why I only shook hands with JLB.
Your handshake to JLB could be the handshake that makes him drop his microphone onstage.
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On the other hand JP shakes hands with everybody, while looking them straight in the eye, I've seen him do this on more than one occasion. You go to him for an autograph, he signs, then extends you the hand, shakes it and thanks you. I think it's very classy of him.
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On the other hand JP shakes hands with everybody, while looking them straight in the eye, I've seen him do this on more than one occasion. You go to him for an autograph, he signs, then extends you the hand, shakes it and thanks you. I think it's very classy of him.
He knows that no harm can come to him from mortal hand.
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Your handshake to JLB could be the handshake that makes him drop his microphone onstage.
But it didn't. In fact, it made him more awesome. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
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Not to mention you have a good chance of running upon one of those assholes who think you aren't a man unless you turn someones hand into roadkill when shaking it. Uggh, could only imagine if I was a pro musician and someone did that to my hand...
Not hating on a firm shake, but you know the kind I'm talking about. It's like they are trying to shatter every finger-bone in your hand or something.
.....something that Eddie Izzard refers to as the "small cock handshake."
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That's why I only shook hands with JLB.
Your handshake to JLB could be the handshake that makes him drop his microphone onstage.
Plus we don't want another food poisoning incident again.
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Not to mention you have a good chance of running upon one of those assholes who think you aren't a man unless you turn someones hand into roadkill when shaking it. Uggh, could only imagine if I was a pro musician and someone did that to my hand...
Not hating on a firm shake, but you know the kind I'm talking about. It's like they are trying to shatter every finger-bone in your hand or something.
.....something that Eddie Izzard refers to as the "small cock handshake."
Thats a pretty apt description :lol
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You might even call it the Killing Handshake.
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You might even call it the Killing Handshake.
Maybe even the Killing Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaandshake
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I'd like to be the first to suggest that this becomes the new internet craze similar to the harlem shake.
A dance called the killing hand shake performed to the killing hand by DT.
You heard it here first folks!
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I'd like to be the first to suggest that this becomes the new internet craze similar to the harlem shake.
A dance called the killing hand shake performed to the killing hand by DT.
You heard it here first folks!
Well how many of us around the world are on this forum? Man, if each one of us in all these different countries made one video of the killing hand shake, it would be an Internet sensation in two seconds!
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I'd like to be the first to suggest that this becomes the new internet craze similar to the harlem shake.
A dance called the killing hand shake performed to the killing hand by DT.
You heard it here first folks!
Well how many of us around the world are on this forum? Man, if each one of us in all these different countries made one video of the killing hand shake, it would be an Internet sensation for only two seconds!
FTFY ::)
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Well how many of us around the world are on this forum? Man, if each one of us in all these different countries made one video of the killing hand shake, it would be an Internet sensation for only two seconds!
FTFY ::)
Very very very very very true. And that's why we Dream Theater fans don't subscribe to the "make money now, do what you want later." The make money now part never really happens.
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That's why I only shook hands with JLB.
James hates shaking hands. He told me that he much prefers exchanging punches to the trachea.
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James hates shaking hands. He told me that he much prefers exchanging punches to the trachea.
Ah, so next time, it shall be that! A true proper greeting between two singers!
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That's why I only shook hands with JLB.
James hates shaking hands. He told me that he much prefers exchanging punches to the trachea.
:rollin
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At the Meet & Greet in 2011, the organizers were kind of adamant we try not to shake hands with them. It was one of the first five shows of the tour so they didn't want to spread germs. James and JM were the last two people at the table and the two I had the most compliments for. Both reached out their hand to shake mine. Small gesture but still kind of cool.
When I met Derek Sherinian after a Billy Idol concert, he was signing a bunch of autographs for people that probably had no clue who he was. I took out my FII CD and complimented him. He paused and gave me a sincere "Thanks a lot man" and stuck out his hand for me to shake. Only person out of the 20 or so that got a handshake.
Sometimes its the little things that leave the biggest impression.
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At the Meet & Greet in 2011, the organizers were kind of adamant we try not to shake hands with them. It was one of the first five shows of the tour so they didn't want to spread germs. James and JM were the last two people at the table and the two I had the most compliments for. Both reached out their hand to shake mine. Small gesture but still kind of cool.
Yeah, that was the main reasoning at the show I went to.. But that's why I brought my "I :heart My Penis" hand sanitizer.
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:lol
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What is the longest the guys have taken to write and record an album?
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What is the longest the guys have taken to write and record an album?
I'd wager Falling into Infinity wins that one by a country mile. Long, long process - they actually wrote Raise the Knife for the ACoS EP, which I suppose is the start of production, on paper. More accurately, and sticking to songs that made it to the album - Take Away My Pain was written in March 1996, New Millennium was written in Feburary 1997. Full year of writing.
Don't know the recording schedule, but Feb. '97 was the month they finished the last demo.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4RgEmH6oIc
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Get off the fence and use it, JMX.
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He'll feel pressured about that question and will use it on the new album.
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Get off the fence and use it, JMX.
This, I'd like to hear prominent use of the Stick in some actually good song (read: not New Millennium).
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Get off the fence and use it, JMX.
This, I'd like to hear prominent use of the Stick in some actually good song (read: not New Millennium).
I love New Millennium. Anyway yes, I'd love to hear some chapman stick on the new album.
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I'd like to hear prominent use of the Stick in a good song (read: New Millennium).
FTFY.
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No, you broke it! :( Besides, New Millennium has been released already :P
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I'd like to hear prominent use of the Stick in a good song (read: New Millennium).
FTFY.
:tup
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No, you broke it! :( Besides, New Millennium has been released already :P
Well they should play it live again then. :biggrin:
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No, you broke it! :( Besides, New Millennium has been released already :P
Well they should play it live again then. :biggrin:
Luckily James doesn't like that song :)
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No, you broke it! :( Besides, New Millennium has been released already :P
Well they should play it live again then. :biggrin:
Luckily James doesn't like that song :)
I believe what he actually said was that he doesn't like to play it live.
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No, you broke it! :( Besides, New Millennium has been released already :P
Well they should play it live again then. :biggrin:
Luckily James doesn't like that song :)
I believe what he actually said was that he doesn't like to play it live.
That's good enough for me :D
Where are all the fellow NM dislikers?
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Where are all the fellow NM dislikers?
You won't find 'em here, look another way.
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Get off the fence and use it, JMX.
This, I'd like to hear prominent use of the Stick in some actually good song (read: not New Millennium).
I love New Millennium. Anyway yes, I'd love to hear some chapman stick on the new album.
Hopefully hanging out with Tony Levin this past tour can encourage JM to pick up the damn Chapman! LOL
Btw, the new Stick Men album rules.
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i find it interesting they chose this question to respond to considering his response. I mean they must be getting tons of questions, and it was my assumption they're choosing to respond to the questions that will get the most fan excitement, like info about an instrumental/jm lyrics for example. why answer a question that will get a negative fan response? unless they are just toying with us... :justjen
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Where are all the fellow NM dislikers?
You won't find 'em here, look another way.
xDDDD
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Where are all the fellow NM dislikers?
I'm just gonna ruin all their fun and say right here.
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Where are all the fellow NM dislikers?
I'm just gonna ruin all their fun and say right here.
Right here too.
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Question: Will JM use the Chapman stick on the new record?
Answer: No.
Source: https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/dream-theater-john-20130411/?cmpid=20130411/dream-theater/facebook/news-link/chapman-stick
Carry on, ladies and gentlemen.
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Question: Will JM use the Chapman stick on the new record?
Answer: I guess it's possible but idk
Source: https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/dream-theater-john-20130411/?cmpid=20130411/dream-theater/facebook/news-link/chapman-stick
Carry on, ladies and gentlemen.
FTFY haha
Big news everyone!!! John Myung probably won't use the chapman stick on this album, but it's not impossible!!! :lol
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Where are all the fellow NM dislikers?
You won't find 'em here, look another way.
:)
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John Petrucci
As of today, all writing, drum and guitar tracking (with the exception of solos) for the new DT album is complete! Will finish up bass next week...pumped!!
Aaaaaaaand it's almost done!
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:omg:
Actually didn't know they had started tracking. thought they were still writing it !!!
Amazing !
Now just Vocals, Mix & Master !
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And keyboards, which is a very long process considering all the synths Jordan uses in the studio.
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Not if he's all ready to go and switches via MIDI like he does live.
If he's got all his parts written then it shouldn't be that long.
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I'd say we're well on course for a September release or earlier.
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Not if he's all ready to go and switches via MIDI like he does live.
That wasn't really what I meant. He likes experimenting a lot and recording several layers of sound, which usually takes some time. Either way, it's really exciting that their recording process is almost coming to an end.
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Aren't they tracking and writing kinda simultaniously these days?
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Aren't they tracking and writing kinda simultaniously these days?
Only for demos. I imagine after they get the songs perfected, they begin tracking the real album.
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It's nice to know that they've taken time over writing and haven't pulled a Train of Thought, because we all know they can do that...the fact that haven't hopefully means they've written some properly awesome music.
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It's nice to know that they've taken time over writing and haven't pulled a Train of Thought, because we all know they can do that...the fact that haven't hopefully means they've written some properly awesome music.
I know most people might disagree, but Train Of Thought is "properly awesome music" :P
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It's nice to know that they've taken time over writing and haven't pulled a Train of Thought, because we all know they can do that...the fact that haven't hopefully means they've written some properly awesome music.
I know most people might disagree, but Train Of Thought is "properly awesome music" :P
Agreed.
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I think TOT is better than 8V, SC and BC&SL, although they spent more time writing those three albums.
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I think TOT is better than 8V, SC and BC&SL all of their albums except for SFAM, although they spent more time writing those three albums.
Agreed :P
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Can someone who knows the process better than me explain why the bass wouldn't be tracked with the drums BEFORE the rhythm guitar was tracked?
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The way the uptate was worded, it seemed to imply that both guitar and bass were tracked roughly simultaneously, and JP just happened to finish his parts a few days earlier than JMX.
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Because they have most likely already recorded a bass track for everything to play along with, just not the version you'll hear on the album eventually. In my experience you make a (fake) recording of everything first to track the drums on, then you just add everything at random. Apparently DT chose to properly track Rhythm Guitar first, but it doesn't really matter in what order you track everything, as long as you do drums first and vocals last.
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Not if he's all ready to go and switches via MIDI like he does live.
he only does that live in order to save on the amount of gear he brings out (typically only 1 keyboard/controller). notice the studio pics; he has a wide array of keyboards to record with. once the recording process is done, then goes back and recreates all of the sounds from the various keyboards with his one master keyboard.
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Because they have most likely already recorded a bass track for everything to play along with, just not the version you'll hear on the album eventually. In my experience you make a (fake) recording of everything first to track the drums on, then you just add everything at random. Apparently DT chose to properly track Rhythm Guitar first, but it doesn't really matter in what order you track everything, as long as you do drums first and vocals last.
You generally track bass after guitar if it's heavy intricate music so the bass can follow the guitar better. if it's the other way around it can get a bit mushy sounding.
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I'm sure the guys arranged the songs beforehand, so the order shouldn't really matter. Personally I often record guitar before I do the bass when I'm doing one man band recordings. It depends on the genre, the song and which part came to my head first. For Metal I often record the guitar first, while I'm always tracking the bass first while recording funk. I guess it depends on which instrument will be the most busy.
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Because they have most likely already recorded a bass track for everything to play along with, just not the version you'll hear on the album eventually. In my experience you make a (fake) recording of everything first to track the drums on, then you just add everything at random. Apparently DT chose to properly track Rhythm Guitar first, but it doesn't really matter in what order you track everything, as long as you do drums first and vocals last.
You generally track bass after guitar if it's heavy intricate music so the bass can follow the guitar better. if it's the other way around it can get a bit mushy sounding.
It actually doesn't matter in what order you record the instruments.
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Because they have most likely already recorded a bass track for everything to play along with, just not the version you'll hear on the album eventually. In my experience you make a (fake) recording of everything first to track the drums on, then you just add everything at random. Apparently DT chose to properly track Rhythm Guitar first, but it doesn't really matter in what order you track everything, as long as you do drums first and vocals last.
You generally track bass after guitar if it's heavy intricate music so the bass can follow the guitar better. if it's the other way around it can get a bit mushy sounding.
It actually doesn't matter in what order you record the instruments.
Agreed.
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Because they have most likely already recorded a bass track for everything to play along with, just not the version you'll hear on the album eventually. In my experience you make a (fake) recording of everything first to track the drums on, then you just add everything at random. Apparently DT chose to properly track Rhythm Guitar first, but it doesn't really matter in what order you track everything, as long as you do drums first and vocals last.
You generally track bass after guitar if it's heavy intricate music so the bass can follow the guitar better. if it's the other way around it can get a bit mushy sounding.
But shouldn't the bass be following the drums? I for one would be looking forward to what kind of awesome rhythms the Mangini/Myung combo could lock into.
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Because they have most likely already recorded a bass track for everything to play along with, just not the version you'll hear on the album eventually. In my experience you make a (fake) recording of everything first to track the drums on, then you just add everything at random. Apparently DT chose to properly track Rhythm Guitar first, but it doesn't really matter in what order you track everything, as long as you do drums first and vocals last.
You generally track bass after guitar if it's heavy intricate music so the bass can follow the guitar better. if it's the other way around it can get a bit mushy sounding.
But shouldn't the bass be following the drums?
^Not generally the case for metal.
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Because they have most likely already recorded a bass track for everything to play along with, just not the version you'll hear on the album eventually. In my experience you make a (fake) recording of everything first to track the drums on, then you just add everything at random. Apparently DT chose to properly track Rhythm Guitar first, but it doesn't really matter in what order you track everything, as long as you do drums first and vocals last.
You generally track bass after guitar if it's heavy intricate music so the bass can follow the guitar better. if it's the other way around it can get a bit mushy sounding.
It actually doesn't matter in what order you record the instruments.
Sonically it doesn't, no not really. But performance wise it absolutely does. Say you're laying down a guitar track. You'll get a much better performance playing along to the drum track rather than with just a click for a scratch track. Same goes pretty much for all of the instruments in the band.
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Because they have most likely already recorded a bass track for everything to play along with, just not the version you'll hear on the album eventually. In my experience you make a (fake) recording of everything first to track the drums on, then you just add everything at random. Apparently DT chose to properly track Rhythm Guitar first, but it doesn't really matter in what order you track everything, as long as you do drums first and vocals last.
You generally track bass after guitar if it's heavy intricate music so the bass can follow the guitar better. if it's the other way around it can get a bit mushy sounding.
It actually doesn't matter in what order you record the instruments.
Sonically it doesn't, no not really. But performance wise it absolutely does. Say you're laying down a guitar track. You'll get a much better performance playing along to the drum track rather than with just a click for a scratch track. Same goes pretty much for all of the instruments in the band.
Definitely, but most recording processes are composed of a backing track and the actual recording. I'd bet some money that DT has their demo backing track and they're recording over that, but every recording process is different but who knows.
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This was on Mike's Facebook Page.
Thought this would be good to know for us drummers: Did any of you study mallets in school, but not want to? I didn't want to spend my time doing that, but as my private teacher told me, I'd be thankful I did so I can know where I am in a song part referred to as the "F minor ..." and also compose and not just be a drummer suggesting rhythmic things to existing parts (that's why drum parts are not of a copywrite nature) as that means one is really not a songwriter unless the drums initiate a NEW idea. The App is Sample Wiz. Makes for a lot of fun!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/549588_493401867375243_548104752_n.jpg)
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I know it's just my musical snobbery speaking, but I always had more respect for drummers/percussionists who knew their way around tuned percussion. Vibes, marimba, even bells. Knowing notes and key signatures and stuff, versus just knowing how to hit things. That's a totally oversimplified way of putting it, of course, but you know what I mean.
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I know it's just my musical snobbery speaking, but I always had more respect for drummers/percussionists who knew their way around tuned percussion. Vibes, marimba, even bells. Knowing notes and key signatures and stuff, versus just knowing how to hit things. That's a totally oversimplified way of putting it, of course, but you know what I mean.
No, I think that's completely fair. It's an extra skill on top of the set of necessary skills - that's always a good thing. It's like saying "I have more respect for journalists who know shorthand." By no means necessary, and there are plenty of brilliant journalists who don't have a clue, but it's a cool skill that helps you excel and be adaptable at your job. Don't think it's snobbery at all. To drum is great, to drum in tune is fantastic.
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Me :) played glockenspiel, timpanis and kit :biggrin: know all my key sigs and write music as well, its a lot better understanding melodies and knowing whats going on than just 'hitting things'
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I play drums, guitar, piano and did a degree in Music.
:angel: :angel: :angel:
I know my C#m7b5 from my Db7b9 :P
Due to this : I heard The Silent Man today and could instantly play the first 5 chords without needing to work them out.
I love when that happens :biggrin:
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I know most people might disagree, but Train Of Thought is "properly awesome music" :P
I won't disagree with that. :metal
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I know most people might disagree, but Train Of Thought is "properly awesome music" :P
I won't disagree with that. :metal
I didn't mean to imply that it wasn't. It's just that, if they can churn that out in however many weeks it took to write, and they've taken a bit longer with this one, it's a good sign, right? ;D
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It may be a good sign but I think ADToE took a about the same time ?
Not saying ADToE was bad or anything but don't expect SDOIT part 2 just yet :)
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It may be a good sign but I think ADToE took a about the same time ?
Not saying ADToE was bad or anything but don't expect SDOIT part 2 just yet :)
ADTOE > SDOIT ;D
I don't think I would be happy with a SDOIT part 2
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It may be a good sign but I think ADToE took a about the same time ?
Not saying ADToE was bad or anything but don't expect SDOIT part 2 just yet :)
ADTOE > SDOIT ;D
SDOIT so thoroughly outclasses ADTOE on every level that it's not even funny.
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ADTOE isn't too long, Six Degrees is (not much, but still)
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Well it is a double album so...... :lol
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That's exactly what I meant - if it had been trimmed down to fit a single disc, the album would've been more solid and compact with little to no filler (IMO).
*puts flameshield on*
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:flame:
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I've thought that about other double disks, (Beatles The While Album---sorry Zy!) But I looked as the second disk as one song or another album. Maybe I had my DT colored glasses on but I get where you're coming from ?
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I've thought that about other double disks, (Beatles The While Album---sorry Zy!)
No I agree with you here. I love the Beatles, but the White Album could use some trimming and become a greater single disc.
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Biffy Clyro's new album will fit on a single disc.
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I am on ?'s side here, SDOIT would have highly benefitted from a slight trim, like you know, taking TGP out, or cutting out half of the suite.
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TGP and SDOIT are DT's two best songs, you silly silly man. There is no track that you could cut from SDOIT. I'm glad they didn't have to fit it on one disc, because it would have missed out for it.
Meanwhile, I could happily cut half of ADTOE from existence and not miss it at all.
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*joins the SDOIT army*
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SDOIT would have highly benefitted from a slight trim, like you know, taking TGP out, or cutting out half of the suite.
Now we are in agreement :angel: Maybe the outro of Misunderstood could've been shortened as well - the guitar noise is kinda cool, but not an important part, and I hate the keyboard sounds in that section. It could've been a 100% excellent 7-minute song if the outro from the edit version had been used instead.
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It could have rivaled with IAW and Awake with a similar tracklist, IMO:
1. The Great Debate
2. Blind Faith
3. Misunderstood
4. Disappear
5. Three Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
:D
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Thou shalt not touch The Glass Prison.
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I realise I'm the only one who thinks SDOIT is overrated. It's great, but (IMO) nothing more. :)
Thou shalt not touch The Glass Prison.
Right.
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It could have rivaled with IAW and Awake with a similar tracklist, IMO:
1. The Great Debate
2. Blind Faith
3. Misunderstood
4. Disappear
5. Three Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
:D
I don't agree with you on the tracklist because of the lack of TGP, but it's true that 6D would've had a lot of potential to rival Awake and I&W if it had been a single disc. Now it's just 6th (nuggetz!) in my ranking and probably won't go up.
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It could have rivaled with IAW and Awake with a similar tracklist, IMO:
1. The Great Debate
2. Blind Faith
3. Misunderstood
4. Disappear
5. Three Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
:D
That is a seriously deflated version of SDOIT. I may be able to speak for a few people in saying that without TGP, I would not have discovered DT or held any initial interest.
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TGP is easily top 10 material.
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It could have rivaled with IAW and Awake with a similar tracklist, IMO:
1. The Great Debate
2. Blind Faith
3. Misunderstood
4. Disappear
5. Three Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
:D
It already beats both as is, imo. Even our most recent best album poll would agree, actually. :biggrin:
*joins the SDOIT army*
:hifive:
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Yeah, I was really positively surprised at that poll. The only reason why SDOIT is not my top DT album is because IAW and Awake are way too good for anything to ever surpass them. But I adore SDOIT, it's got a lot of things going, and 90% of them are absolutely awesome.
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It already beats both as is, imo. Even our most recent best album poll would agree, actually. :biggrin:
Sorry, but: (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36518.0)
Images and Words
27 (22%)
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
27 (22%)
:biggrin:
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Those polls (if you are hinting at the tournament) should not be taken into accounts when it comes to ranking albums, as inner matches were casually (and not uniformly) distributed.
I agree that TGP is a landmark song, and one that effectively was the manifesto of a whole age for the band as well as for the album itself... it's just that I can't stomach it. I tried several times in the past few years, but it's only a few cool candies floating in a paste of hate or indifference :(
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Those polls (if you are hinting at the tournament) should not be taken into accounts when it comes to ranking albums, as inner matches were casually (and not uniformly) distributed.
I took it from the latest "favorite DT album" poll, so it should be representative. Too bad the increase at 6D's popularity has happened at the expense of Awake :-\
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It already beats both as is, imo. Even our most recent best album poll would agree, actually. :biggrin:
Sorry, but: (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36518.0)
Images and Words
27 (22%)
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
27 (22%)
:biggrin:
Oh right, IaW caught up. So SDOIT is merely as good as IaW. :P
Those polls (if you are hinting at the tournament) should not be taken into accounts when it comes to ranking albums, as inner matches were casually (and not uniformly) distributed.
I took it from the latest "favorite DT album" poll, so it should be representative. Too bad the increase at 6D's popularity has happened at the expense of Awake :-\
SDOIT is miles better than Awake anyway.
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SDOIT is miles better than Awake anyway.
:umno:
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Why don't we just revert back to talking about the new album? :D
Two years ago, if I remember correctly, the first festival dates of the summer tour were confirmed as early as December-January. It's obvious that the same didn't happen this time. Why do you think this might be?
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Yea we're already half way through April. When is the latest they would announce a show in early July?
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Maybe they'll focus on headlining shows this time, or perhaps the festivals they'll play at will be in late summer?
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Maybe they'll focus on headlining shows this time, or perhaps the festivals they'll play will be in late summer?
That would be quite the change, as the most famous festival dealing with prog music take place in the early summer season.
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SDOIT is miles better than Awake anyway.
:umno:
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SDOIT is miles better than Awake anyway.
:umno:
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SDOIT is MILES better than Awake.
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Just when we were trying to steer the discussion away from debating over albums... ::)
Anyway, I've noticed that a lot of festivals that will take place in August have already confirmed some bands and artists, so I don't think it's impossible that DT might skip the festivals completely this year, although there will probably be some headlining shows. Or who knows, maybe they've changed their plans and won't start touring until after the album has been released? I'm not saying this is likely, but the lack of gig announcements is weird, especially considering that some bands have confirmed tour dates for the fall already.
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Portnoy is coming back an they are going to tour Prog Nation '14
I'm calling it
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Portnoy is coming back an they are going to tour Indonesia '14
I'm calling it
fixed :smiley:
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PROTNYO DT INODNSEAI 2014 PLS!!!
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Sounds like a presidential campaign :lol
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There aren't any festivals that DT would realistically play in August as far as I'm aware. And I think it's getting very late to be announced for any July festivals. It is very odd, because they've been touring in this way since 2005.
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Sounds like a presidential campaign :lol
:lol
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It is odd. They announced that they were playing at High Voltage 2011 even before they knew Mangini was their drummer.
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So based on the timing, I assume we'll have a tracklist or at least an album title by this time next month?
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It is odd. They announced that they were playing at High Voltage 2011 even before they knew Mangini was their drummer.
I don't think that's true. Mangini was in the band as the new drummer for like six months before we the public knew it.
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Portnoy is coming back an they are going to tour Indonesia '14
I'm calling it
fixed :smiley:
I almost said that actually :lol
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Sounds like a presidential campaign :lol
:rollin
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Thou shalt not touch The Glass Prison.
Amen.
Sounds like a presidential campaign :lol
:rollin
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We should check the bill of the festivals we know DT will likely want to headline/play. Actually, are we sure there wil evenl be an High Voltage 2013? Last year they skipped a beat for the olympics.
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I don't think they'll play any of the festivals they visited 2 years ago (except maybe one or two) - those who organize the events probably don't want to book the same bands every second year, especially if they are big names.
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I don't think they'll play any of the festivals they visited 2 years ago (except maybe one or two) - those who organize the events probably don't want to book the same bands every second year, especially if they are big names.
Yes, this makes sense. What about the Night Of The Prog? Is their bill complete already?
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^Yeah, it seems to be: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36567.0
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And there's no High Voltage again this year. I really can't see them playing any festivals. Maybe they'll start with a headlining North American leg in August/September.
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JP answers a question regarding his amps and settings as a part of the Twitter Q&A series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU9lVvd15ek
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Here's JP's EQ: ;D
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I think this is JP's favourite topic to talk...
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I think this is JP's favourite topic to talk...
Completely understandable
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I think this is JP's favourite topic to talk...
It's probably the easiest to talk about too, because it's currently relevant, without giving away anything crucial about the album. So he doesn't have to worry about whether the label would allow him to say this or that. What does the label care if he tells people how he set up his equipment?
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It's a disappointing question for one who isn't a guitar player and doesn't understand what the hell he's talking about.
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I love hearing guitar players talk about their EQ. So many metal players just turn the gain up and scoop out the mids. That's so boring, and makes the guitar sound indiscernable. So, I love hearing good metal guitar players talk about how they get their sounds.
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I love hearing guitar players talk about their EQ. So many metal players just turn the gain up and scoop out the mids. That's so boring, and makes the guitar sound indiscernable. So, I love hearing good metal guitar players talk about how they get their sounds.
I'd rather hear it in dumb speak though. Like, instead of saying, "I turned this up, and turned this down", I'd rather hear him say what exactly he's trying to achieve with that, like, "This way, it gets a much fuller sound," or "This way, it sounds a lot more crunchy and sharp," or "I was trying to go for a warmer, more organic tone" you know, stuff like that.
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It's a disappointing question for one who isn't a guitar player and doesn't understand what the hell he's talking about.
The same as when JR talks about anything really.
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It's a disappointing question for one who isn't a guitar player and doesn't understand what the hell he's talking about.
The same as when JR talks about anything really.
I'm sorry, but that's really not true.
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Yeah, really. Out of all of them, I could say Jordan is the best in drawing you into what he talks about even if you're not previously interested, and I rarely find myself unable to understand it.
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Yeah, when Jordan is talking technical shit I still listen, even though I might not understand all of it.
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Yeah, when Jordan is talking technical shit I still listen, even though I might not understand all of it.
Well, he is a wizard.
Edit: Stupid italics.....
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It's like when MM is going
" so i'm grouping my left side in 7s and my right side in 9s but doing triplets in 11 with my feet and matching up after 17 bars . "
All I hear is :
" you suck you suck you suck you suck you suck you suck - give up now "
:biggrin:
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" doing triplets in at 11 with my feet
I did that once....... :biggrin:
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It's a disappointing question for one who isn't a guitar player and doesn't understand what the hell he's talking about.
The same as when JR talks about anything really.
I'm sorry, but that's really not true.
Yeah, it kinda is. I hardly ever understand what the fuck he's talking about.
But I just smile and wave.
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I just smile and learn to pretend.
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Yeah, it kinda is. I hardly ever understand what the fuck he's talking about.
So what are you saying? Are you saying that Jordan Rudess is better with his fingers than he is with his mouth?
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Yeah, it kinda is. I hardly ever understand what the fuck he's talking about.
So what are you saying? Are you saying that Jordan Rudess is better with his fingers than he is with his mouth?
I like the way you think.
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:eyebrows: I'm glad I stopped into this thread!
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These last couple of posts : :lol
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Most of the time, I don't understand what JM is talking about =)
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It's like when MM is going
" so i'm grouping my left side in 7s and my right side in 9s but doing triplets in 11 with my feet and matching up after 17 bars . "
All I hear is :
" you suck you suck you suck you suck you suck you suck - give up now "
:biggrin:
Haha, nah. To me, that guy is a walking inspiration.... :hefdaddy
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I love hearing guitar players talk about their EQ. So many metal players just turn the gain up and scoop out the mids. That's so boring, and makes the guitar sound indiscernable. So, I love hearing good metal guitar players talk about how they get their sounds.
I'd rather hear it in dumb speak though. Like, instead of saying, "I turned this up, and turned this down", I'd rather hear him say what exactly he's trying to achieve with that, like, "This way, it gets a much fuller sound," or "This way, it sounds a lot more crunchy and sharp," or "I was trying to go for a warmer, more organic tone" you know, stuff like that.
There was another video posted here (I think) where he goes into a little more detail about his amp setup and which amps deliver the tones/sounds he's trying to achieve. For a non-guitar player such as myself, it was a really interesting watch - I just wish I could remember where it was. :facepalm:
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I love hearing guitar players talk about their EQ. So many metal players just turn the gain up and scoop out the mids. That's so boring, and makes the guitar sound indiscernable. So, I love hearing good metal guitar players talk about how they get their sounds.
I'd rather hear it in dumb speak though. Like, instead of saying, "I turned this up, and turned this down", I'd rather hear him say what exactly he's trying to achieve with that, like, "This way, it gets a much fuller sound," or "This way, it sounds a lot more crunchy and sharp," or "I was trying to go for a warmer, more organic tone" you know, stuff like that.
There was another video posted here (I think) where he goes into a little more detail about his amp setup and which amps deliver the tones/sounds he's trying to achieve. For a non-guitar player such as myself, it was a really interesting watch - I just wish I could remember where it was. :facepalm:
I think it was either JP's or DT's Facebook page.
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Thanks, dude! :tup
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I think the guys know that a large percentage of their fanbase is made up of musicians, and many of their fans are not. I think they do a pretty good job of speaking to both audiences, although it's a little hard for me to tell since I am a musician and have some techinical knowledge. When JP starts talking tech about his guitar rig, I can follow some of it even though I don't play guitar, just from what I've picked up over the years. I'm never going to apply any of it, and I don't even follow a lot of it, but I still find it fascinating. I just figure he's talking to guys who do understand it.
I don't expect them to dumb everything down; that wouldn't be fair to fans who actually want more technical detail. I figure if you play -- keys, guitars, whatever -- then you can follow what they're saying. If you don't play, well, some of it's gonna go over your head.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
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Yeah, you have to acknowledge that a good chunk of DT's consistent fanbase is comprised of people who admire and are, in a way, "studying" the playing of the band's respective members. I've met many JP and MP disciples in my day, and more than a few JM, JR, and JLB ones. Same for Mangenius.
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JP: It's crazy that i have this memorised!
The Band: IT IS!!
:rollin :lol
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JP: It's crazy that i have this memorised!
The Band: IT IS!!
:rollin :lol
:heart
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JP: It's crazy that i have this memorised!
The Band: IT IS!!
:rollin :lol
JP: It is... :) (catch the reference!)
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I love hearing guitar players talk about their EQ. So many metal players just turn the gain up and scoop out the mids. That's so boring, and makes the guitar sound indiscernable. So, I love hearing good metal guitar players talk about how they get their sounds.
I'd rather hear it in dumb speak though. Like, instead of saying, "I turned this up, and turned this down", I'd rather hear him say what exactly he's trying to achieve with that, like, "This way, it gets a much fuller sound," or "This way, it sounds a lot more crunchy and sharp," or "I was trying to go for a warmer, more organic tone" you know, stuff like that.
There was another video posted here (I think) where he goes into a little more detail about his amp setup and which amps deliver the tones/sounds he's trying to achieve. For a non-guitar player such as myself, it was a really interesting watch - I just wish I could remember where it was. :facepalm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kOIx7HbhxQ :tup
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JP: It's crazy that i have this memorised!
The Band: IT IS!!
:rollin :lol
JP: It is... :) (catch the reference!)
Pull Me Under, Budokan Doc.
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I love hearing guitar players talk about their EQ. So many metal players just turn the gain up and scoop out the mids. That's so boring, and makes the guitar sound indiscernable. So, I love hearing good metal guitar players talk about how they get their sounds.
Which is exactly what petrucci does :biggrin:
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JP: It's crazy that i have this memorised!
The Band: IT IS!!
:rollin :lol
JP: It is... :) (catch the reference!)
Pull Me Under, Budokan Doc.
Man: Is that Dream Theater?
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I love hearing guitar players talk about their EQ. So many metal players just turn the gain up and scoop out the mids. That's so boring, and makes the guitar sound indiscernable. So, I love hearing good metal guitar players talk about how they get their sounds.
Which is exactly what petrucci does :biggrin:
is there any vid for that? highly need it!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQfFqdIS60
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I love hearing guitar players talk about their EQ. So many metal players just turn the gain up and scoop out the mids. That's so boring, and makes the guitar sound indiscernable. So, I love hearing good metal guitar players talk about how they get their sounds.
I'd rather hear it in dumb speak though. Like, instead of saying, "I turned this up, and turned this down", I'd rather hear him say what exactly he's trying to achieve with that, like, "This way, it gets a much fuller sound," or "This way, it sounds a lot more crunchy and sharp," or "I was trying to go for a warmer, more organic tone" you know, stuff like that.
There was another video posted here (I think) where he goes into a little more detail about his amp setup and which amps deliver the tones/sounds he's trying to achieve. For a non-guitar player such as myself, it was a really interesting watch - I just wish I could remember where it was. :facepalm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kOIx7HbhxQ :tup
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ :sadpanda:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQfFqdIS60
" At one point - two fans rushed the stage and almost knocked over the other guy that was there ! "
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQQZubv-lJw
Adam02, please. Come on man. Just do it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kOIx7HbhxQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kOIx7HbhxQ) :tup
I knew someone would find it. :)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kOIx7HbhxQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kOIx7HbhxQ) :tup
I knew someone would find it. :)
A guitarist's wet dream ;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQQZubv-lJw
Adam02, please. Come on man. Just do it.
He should totally do it! However, didn't he retire years ago from DT video making?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQQZubv-lJw
Adam02, please. Come on man. Just do it.
He should totally do it! However, didn't he retire years ago from DT video making?
Yeah, deleted his Youtube account and everything. A real shame.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQQZubv-lJw
Adam02, please. Come on man. Just do it.
He should totally do it! However, didn't he retire years ago from DT video making?
Yeah, deleted his Youtube account and everything. A real shame.
I hope he didn't have any problem with the band! I recall they were quite amused by the parody, if I remember correctly :)
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John actually DID the Adam02 voice in one of Jordan's videos during the CiM tour (I think it was part of the bonuses for CiM?), so IMO the problem would not have been from the band.
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" At one point - two fans rushed the stage and almost knocked over the other guy that was there ! "
I thought that was pretty hilarious. "There was a guy... He was just there... They almost knocked him over."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQQZubv-lJw
Adam02, please. Come on man. Just do it.
He should totally do it! However, didn't he retire years ago from DT video making?
Yeah, deleted his Youtube account and everything. A real shame.
I hope he didn't have any problem with the band! I recall they were quite amused by the parody, if I remember correctly :)
He indeed came back last year, re-uploaded all his classic videos and made some new ones. I think this particular one is hillarious :lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg6iF4XQJYI
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Jordan: " One wall of keys in DT world!! Notice the Seaboard!
pic.twitter.com/OESL4qzHjl "
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:tup
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BugzeDS_9FE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BugzeDS_9FE
I hope it's something about DVD.
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I hope it's not an app. I noted Jordan said "I", not "we".
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I hope it's not an app. I noted Jordan said "I", not "we".
Yeah I noticed that too. I'm expecting something more Jordan-related to be announced, not something DT releated.
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God damn it, he nearly said "i'll see you... On the road"
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From Richard Chycki:
In my Dropbox, an amazing ragtime piano piece to enjoy from the super-talented @jcrudess
https://twitter.com/chycki/status/325256895940149248
(https://i.imgur.com/bBQnf4V.jpg)
:biggrin:
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Does that mean it's gonna be on the album? Or is JR just sending it to Chycki to entertain him?
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Wait, he tells us the details and the doesn't let us hear it? :dangerwillrobinson:
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Maybe it's a cover of this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnrwM7vFn_U
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Wait, he tells us the details and the doesn't let us hear it? :dangerwillrobinson:
That's the point - apparently he thinks we aren't waiting for the album anxiously enough :-\
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Wait, he tells us the details and the doesn't let us hear it? :dangerwillrobinson:
That's the point - apparently he thinks we aren't waiting for the album anxiously enough :-\
WE'RE NOT
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As if the wait for the DVD wasn't wrecking our nerves enough... :(
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Obviously is a JR related stuff, he said they are taking a break from the studio, so, we can put DT (new album, DVD) aside for a moment, then, he said "I" and "I will see you... Then", therefore, it has to be something related with his own stuff, either music project, or app. IMHO
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He's probably going to announce a special tour or a one-off special show with someone else......something along those lines.
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He's probably going to announce a special tour or a one-off special show with someone else......something along those lines.
Why am I thinking of Steven Wilson now.
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I don't think it's possible. SW looks rather busy with the Raven Tour, and the keyboard player looks rather stable for that job. But hey, it could be just anything.
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Why am I thinking of Steven Wilson now.
Maybe it's Kevin Moore! :omg:
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Why am I thinking of Steven Wilson now.
Maybe it's Kevin Moore! :omg:
Kevin Moore is going to play with Steven Wilson? Now I'm all mixed up
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Dry until I hit the swimming pool....
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A special show of all three Dream Theater keyboard players doing their solo work (and then a jam on Metropolis, of course.)
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I'd be game
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Wait, he tells us the details and the doesn't let us hear it? :dangerwillrobinson:
I know, right? :dangerwillrobinson:
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Twitter Q&A with MM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XGzFINoSic
"Will the Live At Luna Park album feature all songs from both nights, including the ones you played twice?"
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Well, nothing new here, but it's cool to see that the Luna Park DVD at least hasn't been tabooed :angel:
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Twitter Q&A with MM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XGzFINoSic
"Will the Live At Luna Park album feature all songs from both nights, including the ones you played twice?"
Anyone else notice he says "album" and not DVD? :omg: Hope that's why they're taking their sweet time releasing it. CD/DVD would take a lot longer to produce.
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Twitter Q&A with MM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XGzFINoSic
"Will the Live At Luna Park album feature all songs from both nights, including the ones you played twice?"
Anyone else notice he says "album" and not DVD? :omg: Hope that's why they're taking their sweet time releasing it. CD/DVD would take a lot longer to produce.
I'm pretty sure it has been known for a while that there will be a CD version.
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Just as long as the option is available to buy just the DVDs or Blu-Rays. I hate when artists release a live set and you can only buy it as a big lump set (meaning, you have to get both the CDs and DVDs, for example). Yes, Neal Morse, I am looking at you. :biggrin:
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Just as long as the option is available to buy just the DVDs or Blu-Rays. I hate when artists release a live set and you can only buy it as a big lump set (meaning, you have to get both the CDs and DVDs, for example). Yes, Neal Morse, I am looking at you. :biggrin:
I know I'll never ever play the CDs myself. I just don;t.
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Exactly. And so it's bull shit to charge more and force fans who only want the live DVDs/Blu-Rays to buy the CDs, too.
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I just want the Bluray.
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I just want the Bluray.
This.
I hate to sound greedy, but as far as I'm concerned, buying the video version should give us the right to an audio version without added costs. At least no the kind of ridiculous costs we're paying. I mean, you already have access to this music, you can already put the DVD/Blu-Ray in, and listen to the music, WITH visuals. So why do you need to pay like $15 - $20 extra just to be able to hear the audio only version of the exact same music? I don't know, I personally think it's a bit of a ripoff.
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I just want the Bluray.
This.
I hate to sound greedy, but as far as I'm concerned, buying the video version should give us the right to an audio version without added costs. At least no the kind of ridiculous costs we're paying. I mean, you already have access to this music, you can already put the DVD/Blu-Ray in, and listen to the music, WITH visuals. So why do you need to pay like $15 - $20 extra just to be able to hear the audio only version of the exact same music? I don't know, I personally think it's a bit of a ripoff.
I would say the cost of manufacturing the CD, but we all know how ridiculously cheap that is. If anything, at least a digital download of the audio should be included.
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I'm gonna get both, anyway, so it's usually cheaper for me if it's a combined set, rather than 2 separate things.
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I'm gonna get both, anyway, so it's usually cheaper for me if it's a combined set, rather than 2 separate things.
Yeah, this is the first time I'm getting the whole bundle. I want the Bluray for obvious reasons, I've been driving a lot recently so the CD will be useful, and I want the DVD since my computer can convert 2D to 3D (but only DVDs, not Blurays) and I've wanted to watch DT on my 3DTV ever since the misinterpreted blurb from JP about the 3D (which ended up being about the Matovision).
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I would say the cost of manufacturing the CD, but we all know how ridiculously cheap that is. If anything, at least a digital download of the audio should be included.
Yeah, even that, a digital download is reasonable enough.
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It's legal to take the audio from the DVD you've purchased and make a CD out of it, right? Right?
:mehlin
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It's legal to take the audio from the DVD you've purchased and make a CD out of it, right? Right?
:mehlin
Well, technically, DVD rippers are sold everywhere, and are a legal tool to use. And if you were to rip the audio track from a DVD, as long as you don't sell it or post it online, it's not wrong, is it?
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It's legal to take the audio from the DVD you've purchased and make a CD out of it, right? Right?
:mehlin
Well, technically, DVD rippers are sold everywhere, and are a legal tool to use. And if you were to rip the audio track from a DVD, as long as you don't sell it or post it online, it's not wrong, is it?
It should be if it isn't. No different than iTunes allowing you to rip a CD.
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It's legal to take the audio from the DVD you've purchased and make a CD out of it, right? Right?
:mehlin
You need to circumvent the DVD's copy protection first. In some countries it is illegal to circumvent copy protection schemes.
Ripping a DVD without copy protection for personal use should be legal everywhere.
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I know I'll never ever play the CDs myself. I just don;t.
Me neither. Why listen to them when you can watch the DVD?
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I would play the CD many times in the car, or rip it to my iPod, or give it to my father for him to listen at work. So, I am all for the double option.
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I know I'll never ever play the CDs myself. I just don;t.
Me neither. Why listen to them when you can watch the DVD?
I can't watch a DVD in the car. I watch concert DVD's maybe once every year or two. I listen to live albums all the time.
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Same here. I don't get many opportunities to watch concert vids, but I do sometimes. And while I do have the software for ripping the audio, it's just easier to play the CDs or rip them to my PC and iPod. Plus it's cool having the whole package.
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I know I'll never ever play the CDs myself. I just don;t.
Me neither. Why listen to them when you can watch the DVD?
I can't watch a DVD in the car. I watch concert DVD's maybe once every year or two. I listen to live albums all the time.
I'm the exact opposite.
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Same, I'm not really a live album guy. Or at least as long as the video from that particular show exists. I've listened to Live at Marquee plenty of times, but I've never listened to Score or Budokan, since I'd much rather play the DVD.
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Same here. I don't get many opportunities to watch concert vids, but I do sometimes. And while I do have the software for ripping the audio, it's just easier to play the CDs or rip them to my PC and iPod. Plus it's cool having the whole package.
The question is, how much money is it worth spending on "easier to play the CDs".
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The software I have (VLC) can rip DVD audio, but it's a pain in the ass to use. You have your choice of the entire disc at once or one track at a time, but if you do one track at a time, you have to reset all the parameters every time. Format, bitrate, output path, everything. Pain in the ass. Plus, unless they don't give you the choice between Blu-ray and DVD (in other words, you get both no matter what), I'm getting Blu-ray, and I don't have the means to rip Blu-ray to audio.
And it's not just the ease; it's also having the CDs. Dream Theater is one of the few bands for which I have the entire discography on CD, and I'm going to try to keep that going as long as I can. I'm an old fuck. I like having the packaging and all the goodies that come with it. If I'm gonna go through ripping and burning to blank CDs just to play in the car, I'd rather pay an extra ten bucks and just buy the deluxe package.
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And by the way, for those who care for lossless audio, the audio stream of DVDs is encoded in a quite lossy format, some 256kbps. Not the same for the Blu Ray, though, with much more space available for a lossless stream.
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I've always loved live albums. They capture a bands essence. For me it's always been tough to block out 2 hours to sit
down and watch a DVD...seems so many other things need to be done, but I can always listen to an album while doing
other things. I'll listen to a live album hundreds more times than watching the DVD.
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I've listened to the Budokan CDs maybe once, if that. The SCORE CDs once or twice (and the Chaos In Motion CDs literally haven't even come out of the case lol). But I've watched the Budokan and SCORE DVDs more times than I can count.
If I'm only listening to the audio, there's little chance I'm going past the pristine and perfect studio versions for a band like DT, unless it's something especially special. While DT play excellent live, I very rarely think their music is better live than it is in the studio.
I get live albums for the full sensory experience of seeing the band on stage. For me the CDs are mostly for the collection. That actually might be different this time around for the ADTOE stuff, since the production on the album sounds so poor, and it seems like this live album will sound great. :tup
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That actually might be different this time around for the ADTOE stuff, since the production on the album sounds so poor, and it seems like this live album will sound great. :tup
Really? This is the first time I've heard of this. Sometimes I am really thankful that I am not an audiophile :lol
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Meanwhile in Twitter land:
Jordan Rudess @Jcrudess:
"Heading back into the studio with Dream Theater, another busy day of keyboard madness!..."
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Meanwhile in Twitter land:
Jordan Rudess @Jcrudess:
"Heading back into the studio with Dream Theater, another busy day of keyboard madness!..."
Excellent! They must be tracking the keyboards then, which IIRC usually happens in the latter stages of the recording process.
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i'm guessing vocals come last unless they're doing them at the same time.
So imagine JR finishes keys this week.
LaBrie tracks vocals next week and a half
That just leaves mixing and mastering.
This is all best case scenario of course.
Leave 3 months for promotion and the album could be out Late August / Early September.
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I think they'll be doing some of the vocals at the same time as keyboards.
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I'll guess they are working on the album.
Man this is easy.
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I'll guess they are working on the album.
Man this is easy.
You waited 56 pages to post this?? :lol
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He needed to gather compelling evidence. :justjen
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Mike Mangini Media & Info
Having fun in the DT camp w/lots of hard work going on in every corner. The drums are being taken down and The Wizard is adding his magic touch to the tracks. Unbelievable as usual. Lots of smiles happening here.
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Twitter thing with JLB about writing with MM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdqIUz57J0A
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That's so very cool to hear! A strong impact and influence is exactly what I was hoping for Mike to have on the band :)
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Definitely. But the question wasn't really accurate, since ADTOE was written AFTER Mike joined, he was simply absent from the writing sessions.
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Definitely. But the question wasn't really accurate, since ADTOE was written AFTER Mike joined, he was simply absent from the writing sessions.
Yeah, which is why seeing the displayed part of the video title I was already starting to get pissed: "Don't tell me they accepted a question asking if ADTOE was written before Mike joined :facepalm:"
Fortunately, the answered dispelled my concerns, and was handled in a rather cool way by James :tup
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"It's gonna be... beautiful."
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That actually might be different this time around for the ADTOE stuff, since the production on the album sounds so poor, and it seems like this live album will sound great. :tup
Really? This is the first time I've heard of this. Sometimes I am really thankful that I am not an audiophile :lol
I don't think you have to be an "audiophile" to think that ADTOE has sub-par production values. Hell, I buy the vast majority of my music via Amazon MP3 these days (256kbps MP3 files) and I listen to them on an iPod, so I am definitely no "audiophile" and the sound quality of ADTOE straight from the CD itself is worse than plenty of those MP3 files I've downloaded from Amazon.
I think my friend Mr BlobVanDam has a point. I'm not very big on live albums, but keen to hear a live release of the ADTOE material in the hopes that it has a better sound than the original album.
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Yeah, I'm definitely one of those who pretty much never listen to live albums. I absolutely love watching live material on Blu-ray but if I'm just going to be listening to my favorite music I'd much rather experience the studio recordings as they always sound a lot better. I have to say though that with ADToE it might be different. I was so disappointed with the production on ADToE that at first I actually thought that I had gotten some weird print that didn't contain the final product. There's a chance this will be the first time that I think the live version sounds better than the studio version.
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"It's gonna be... beautiful."
Can't fricking WAIT! :heart
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"It's gonna be... beautiful."
Can't fricking WAIT! :heart
"beautiful" he says. I can't wait either. ADTOE was beautiful. The growling devil metal element has left the group but more cerebral, meaningful, but hard ass shit is on the way! I like how they're getting to be more like yes in the respect that there is a positive vibe or message out of every song now.
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Over the Edge Productions
Filming in the studio with Dream Theater today.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502313596493940&set=a.135044486554188.21268.135021603223143&type=1&theater
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Over the Edge Productions
Filming in the studio with Dream Theater today.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502313596493940&set=a.135044486554188.21268.135021603223143&type=1&theater
What if we got some behind the scenes stuff from the making of the new album on the Luna Park DVD? That would be different, huh? This behind the scenes stuff BEFORE the album actually comes out.
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Over the Edge Productions
Filming in the studio with Dream Theater today.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502313596493940&set=a.135044486554188.21268.135021603223143&type=1&theater
Perhaps filming of a music video (lead single?) for the new album
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Ahh that may explain the lack of info, they decided to include a sneak peak from the studio on the DVD as an extra treat for the fans or..
..it could also be for the album of course.
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Over the Edge Productions
Filming in the studio with Dream Theater today.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502313596493940&set=a.135044486554188.21268.135021603223143&type=1&theater
What if we got some behind the scenes stuff from the making of the new album on the Luna Park DVD? That would be different, huh? This behind the scenes stuff BEFORE the album actually comes out.
They wouldn't say anything important about it, just a bunch of "we're excited" + rigtalk
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Over the Edge Productions
Filming in the studio with Dream Theater today.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502313596493940&set=a.135044486554188.21268.135021603223143&type=1&theater
What if we got some behind the scenes stuff from the making of the new album on the Luna Park DVD? That would be different, huh? This behind the scenes stuff BEFORE the album actually comes out.
It would be too late to add anything to the Luna Park DVD anyway at this point. It's basically finished as far as I know.
And I really don't want the DVD to have anything to do with the new album or vice versa. There's no reason they should. They're completely separate entities.
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Well now I'm confused. Didn't MM say the drums were 'coming down' the other day? And now we see this photo. WHAT'S GOING ON?!
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He breaks them down, then builds them up again.
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Well now I'm confused. Didn't MM say the drums were 'coming down' the other day? And now we see this photo. WHAT'S GOING ON?!
You're just not thinking 4th dimensionally!
He breaks them down, then builds them up again.
:lol
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Well now I'm confused. Didn't MM say the drums were 'coming down' the other day? And now we see this photo. WHAT'S GOING ON?!
Same day! Mike Mangini said the drums were coming down twenty hours ago. Over The Edge posted their update twelve hours ago - saying "filming today." Probably, specifically, "earlier today."
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Ah yes, that makes more sense. I thought I was going mad.
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It would be too late to add anything to the Luna Park DVD anyway at this point. It's basically finished as far as I know.
And I really don't want the DVD to have anything to do with the new album or vice versa. There's no reason they should. They're completely separate entities.
Which would imply a bonus DVD on the new album, right?
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It would be too late to add anything to the Luna Park DVD anyway at this point. It's basically finished as far as I know.
And I really don't want the DVD to have anything to do with the new album or vice versa. There's no reason they should. They're completely separate entities.
Which would imply a bonus DVD on the new album, right?
I sure hope so. The bonus DVD for Systematic Chaos was an excellent bonus (disregarding any feelings towards the album itself people may have). I wish they'd included something similar with every album in a bonus version.
It might just be released in little snippets more like the SDOIT stuff though, as a lead up to the album.
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I sure hope so. The bonus DVD for Systematic Chaos was an excellent bonus (disregarding any feelings towards the album itself people may have). I wish they'd included something similar with every album in a bonus version.
It might just be released in little snippets more like the SDOIT stuff though, as a lead up to the album.
Well, this time they don't have a Drummer documentary to fall back on. So if they want to do some kind of a Deluxe 3-Disc Edition of the album, they'll need to put something on it.
And I know it would be a little presumptuous, but I'm really hoping we'll get an instrumental version of the album this time as well.
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It would be too late to add anything to the Luna Park DVD anyway at this point. It's basically finished as far as I know.
And I really don't want the DVD to have anything to do with the new album or vice versa. There's no reason they should. They're completely separate entities.
Which would imply a bonus DVD on the new album, right?
I sure hope so. The bonus DVD for Systematic Chaos was an excellent bonus (disregarding any feelings towards the album itself people may have). I wish they'd included something similar with every album in a bonus version.
It might just be released in little snippets more like the SDOIT stuff though, as a lead up to the album.
Yeah, and it would be great to have one where MP isn't walking around spewing profanities that a 12-yr-old thinks are "cool".
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He breaks them down, then builds them up again.
:clap:
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I agree that the Systematic Chaos DVD was really good. More ones like that would be great.
Instrumental version would be cool too, so in my world the perfect setup for the new album would be:
CD1 - Album
CD2 - Instrumentals
CD3 - Documentary
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I would rather have a DVD with the stems (not gonna happen, but if there's a hope that's JR, he seems to be the one who is into the audience's interaction with the studio music the most, seeing the recent developements), and hopefully in a normal package, not in the 100$-or-so iper-deluxe edition.
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I would rather have a DVD with the stems (not gonna happen, but if there's a hope that's JR, he seems to be the one who is into the audience's interaction with the studio music the most, seeing the recent developements), and hopefully in a normal package, not in the 100$-or-so iper-deluxe edition.
I'm with you, I'd love to see affordable stems - but the problem with that, I think, is that even within Dream Theater's fanbase, the list of people who would be interested in stems is a fairly niche market. The most important facet of a bonus feature, from a marketing perspective, is that it should entice potential buyers to fork a little extra out for added quality. While Dream Theater's fanbase is more musician-heavy and more dedicated than a lot of other bands, I fear it's still a minority interest. Far, far more potential customers would pick up the disc, go, "What?" and then buy the single-disc version instead. Which not only into profits, (well, it doesn't, because the retailers buy the discs, but I'm simplifying,) but I believe also into chart position - seem to remember hearing that the more discs sold, the higher it punches. This is possibly part of the reason ADToE, with its two-disc special edition, generally tended to chart slightly lower than BCSL with its 3CD edition.
Unless I'm misremembering the facts - in which case, disregard that last bit. In fact, take everything after the word "instead" with massive heaps of salt. Salt or research. I started guessing after that bit. Solid post up 'til then, though, although mostly just because it's completely unverifiable.
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I hope the next Deluxe Edition is a bit different. The past two followed the same deal: CD, LP, Lithograph, etc. Maybe something different.
And switch up the booklet. :lol I know that's out of DT's hands, but they've had the same layout, font, and look to them.
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And switch up the booklet. :lol I know that's out of DT's hands, but they've had the same layout, font, and look to them.
No, I liked that kind of cottinuity! It was a cool thing to put the records into a perspective, I guess.
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I would rather have a DVD with the stems (not gonna happen, but if there's a hope that's JR, he seems to be the one who is into the audience's interaction with the studio music the most, seeing the recent developements), and hopefully in a normal package, not in the 100$-or-so iper-deluxe edition.
Exactly what I'd like too. The only reason I bought the BCASL boxset as opposed to the regular version was for the stems DVD. Instrumental versions aren't that useful to me, and stems would allow that anyway. And think about all of the fun and interactivity the fans had with those remixes!
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No, I liked that kind of cottinuity! It was a cool thing to put the records into a perspective, I guess.
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. I guess I think it's time for a change.
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JP SPEAKS WITH DT NORWAY :caffeine:
https://itunes.apple.com/no/podcast/dtnorway-echos-hill-podcast/id298946023?l=en&mt=2
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No summer tour, dvd release date coming soon, new album still on track to be released by the end of the summer or early fall, probably on tour in early 2014 (maybe late 2013).
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I'm posting this summary here as well :tup
- Album is well under way. The writing phase itself is over and right now there's the lyrics writing phase going on. Vocals will be tracked soon.
- The number of songs is pretty definite, but he is reluctant to give iformation about it because anything could still change (name, number, lenght) at this point. I guess he's keeping in mind the example of Beneath The Surface. Information will be eventually given, but he feels now it is still to soon
- The interaction with Mike Mangini has been great, after 15 months of touring to know each other. The chemistry is great and he has to take back what is said in 2011 (that the ADTOE studio Mike was "Mike Unleashed")
- Fans are going to definitely notice the change in the drumming with respect to Mike's drumming on ADTOE. He stressed the point, multiple times.
- They obviously have a very clear and definite idea of what album it's going to be like, but he doesn't want to say anything about it, or to make any comparison to any of their previous release to avoid fans listening to it with a prejudice. He said he likes to listen to an album with minimal information of what it's going to be like, in order to be able to judge from the music only, without pre-conceived opinions.
- He doesn't have a release date for the DVD, but he said it will be announced very soon - a matter of a couple of weeks, he said.
- The DVD took a bit more than many, including the band itself, anticipated, but that's due to the amount of stuff in there. He enumerated: the size of the audio, the amount of music present in the recording, the video, the blu ray, the 360° technology, the packaging. He said that in the end we will all understand why it took so long and will likely judge it worth the wait. He stated that he honestly thinks it's their best to date, and that much will be completely different than anything we have seen in the past from them including (I think) the modalities of release.
- As for the tour plans, they decided to take the summer off, after 5 months ad a half in the studio. He said he will enjoy barbecues. It's likely that the album will be released by the end of summer / beginning of fall, and that the touring will start in late 2013 or early 2014.
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I saw the lack of summer dates coming because none had still been announced. Anyway, he didn't reveal a lot about the new album (which is understandable), but it's still good to hear him say something about all these things.
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Fairly revealing, for an interview with so many "No comments." DVD delayed, longer than the band expected, hefty undertaking, but announcement soon, nothing to worry about. Slowdown on tour dates confirmed - fine, neat. The idea that they might not tour 'til 2014... crikey! That'd be the first time they've done a year with no shows, won't it? Ever! Don't mind too much, gives me more chance to save up, but it's quite surprising. Sounds like the album's on schedule - perhaps, even, slightly ahead of the schedule we'd been expecting. They're a twenty-five year old band with fifty-year-old members, I'm cool with them slowing the pace a little as long as the products remain good.
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They never walked the stages in 1991 and 2001. They performed 5 shows in 1996. The last time they didn't tour in promotion of an album in the same year the album was released was in 2004, Train Of Though having hit the shelves in '03! :tup
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I'm fucking excited right now !
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- The DVD took a bit more than many, including the band itself, anticipated, but that's due to the amount of stuff in there. He enumerated: the size of the audio, the amount of music present in the recording, the video, the blu ray, the 360° technology, the packaging. He said that in the end we will all understand why it took so long and will likely judge it worth the wait. He stated that he honestly thinks it's their best to date, and that much will be completely different than anything we have seen in the past from them including (I think) the modalities of release.
I'm glad he's honest and acknowledge stuff like these, i have no problem waiting for this DVD now, sounds awesome! :hefdaddy
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I think they'll start touring later this year already if the album comes out in late summer/early fall, since it would be weird if there were no shows until multiple months after the release date.
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What you said. I just stated that it's pretty easy to build a lost momentum for a future release, but the momentum ONCE the release date has come must be kept at all cost with almost immediate touring!
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What is this 360 degrees technology?
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Thanks for the summary, wasteland, it all looks really good. :metal
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What is this 360 degrees technology?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6ExrdvNg2k
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What you said. I just stated that it's pretty easy to build a lost momentum for a future release, but the momentum ONCE the release date has come must be kept at all cost with almost immediate touring!
Yeah, exactly. They need to promote the album as much as they can, and not starting the tour as early as possible after the album's release wouldn't be a smart move.
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What is this 360 degrees technology?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6ExrdvNg2k
And this is something that'll only be available on a computer? With a Blu-Ray drive?
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What is this 360 degrees technology?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6ExrdvNg2k
And this is something that'll only be available on a computer? With a Blu-Ray drive?
Apparently yes: https://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/dream-theater-launch-360-interactive-app/
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Huh... It's neat little technology, but I do wonder how long it takes to render everything. It's probably expensive as hell.
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What you said. I just stated that it's pretty easy to build a lost momentum for a future release, but the momentum ONCE the release date has come must be kept at all cost with almost immediate touring!
Yeah, exactly. They need to promote the album as much as they can, and not starting the tour as early as possible after the album's release wouldn't be a smart move.
I don't know - even if they kicked off the day after the album's launched, most people are still going to be waiting for a month, two months, three months, anything up to a full year to actually see the band. Even if you strike while the iron's hot, you're not really striking while the iron's hot, not for most people. September, January, what's the difference? For most fans, on most days, unless you're chasing the band around a continent, a tour is something that' happening people. In some ways, you could argue the delay makes it more of an event. Three months 'til the album, three months 'til the tour, rather than everything happening at once. Builds up separate excitement, second wave of hype.
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What you said. I just stated that it's pretty easy to build a lost momentum for a future release, but the momentum ONCE the release date has come must be kept at all cost with almost immediate touring!
Yeah, exactly. They need to promote the album as much as they can, and not starting the tour as early as possible after the album's release wouldn't be a smart move.
I don't know - even if they kicked off the day after the album's launched, most people are still going to be waiting for a month, two months, three months, anything up to a full year to actually see the band. Even if you strike while the iron's hot, you're not really striking while the iron's hot, not for most people. September, January, what's the difference? For most fans, on most days, unless you're chasing the band around a continent, a tour is something that' happening people. In some ways, you could argue the delay makes it more of an event. Three months 'til the album, three months 'til the tour, rather than everything happening at once. Builds up separate excitement, second wave of hype.
I agree. Since you changed your avatar I usually don't notice it right away that it's you, but it only takes reading a few lines to realize it. :tup
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Personally, I don't care. Iron Maiden's Final Frontier tour came when DT wasn't doing much of anything aside from actually touring. But I was still hyped as hell to see them live, and that was pretty much my main reason for going to the show at all. Maiden was just icing on the cake.
Point is, yeah, it doesn't matter when they start touring. Quite frankly, the further away it is, the more time I have to save up money for the VIP package I will inevitably be getting.
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Well, my point was that they'll have to tour all these places (Europe, North America, South America, Asia, etc.) at some point, so why not start as quickly as possible? People in certain countries will have to wait for their show for many months anyway, and I bet RR is also pressuring them to start promoting the album early on to keep the momentum high.
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I'm not going to see them again if they play the Orpheum Theater in Boston. They were so fucking loud there last time that it ruined the show. :tdwn
I think they've outgrown that venue.
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I'm not going to see them again if they play the Orpheum Theater in Boston. They were so fucking loud there last time that it ruined the show. :tdwn
I think they've outgrown that venue.
Well, there is always The Axis :D (is it still there?)
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I'm quite pleased that they are taking the summer off. Presumably that means JP will have time to finalize a solo album (when he isn't smoking racks of lamb for his family)
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I'm not going to see them again if they play the Orpheum Theater in Boston. They were so fucking loud there last time that it ruined the show. :tdwn
I think they've outgrown that venue.
Well, there is always The Axis :D (is it still there?)
I think it has been closed a couple of years ago.
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I'm not going to see them again if they play the Orpheum Theater in Boston. They were so fucking loud there last time that it ruined the show. :tdwn
I think they've outgrown that venue.
Well, there is always The Axis :D (is it still there?)
I think it has been closed a couple of years ago.
Axis and Avalon (saw DT in both) were right next door to each other right behind Fenway Park's Green Monster. Both locations, along with a third place, I believe we're converted into what is now the House Of Blues.
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TAC is 100% correct. Saw Porcupine Tree there is it's a very good venue.
But Barry, I'd rather see them at the Orpheum then that hole in Worcester called The Palladium.
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I don't think it's that big of a deal if they take a few months off to recharge their batteries. They've been going pretty hard for several years. Get some rest and go on tour better than ever.
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I don't think it's that big of a deal if they take a few months off to recharge their batteries. They've been going pretty hard for several years. Get some rest and go on tour better than ever.
THIS THIS THIS :biggrin:
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To me, ADTOE was their best album ever, so I'm really up for this especially being a drummer myself I can't wait to see what Mangini does. When all the guys in the band (except JM who never says anything) say that Mangini's taking them to the next level, that's saying a lot. I mean JP is the group, but JR and MM are probably the 2 most musically advanced geniuses when it comes to theory, etc. so this should have some truly amazing moments.
The thing I'm looking forward to more than anything is the hope that there will be something in here musically we've never heard from anyone before. It's quite possible. I just hope the fans are ready for it. As for me, the more insane the better. The thing I loved so much about ADTOE was that there was just so much classical music structure and composition, especially in Outcry. For what they were doing, I was also happy with the mix. It was a very 70's analog sound. which I thought fit what they were doing. I do believe however that this one will be very much in your face. JP already said in this latest interview that the drums were really up front and a major part of it (paraphrasing) so it should be a mental feast.
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I don't think it's that big of a deal if they take a few months off to recharge their batteries. They've been going pretty hard for several years. Get some rest and go on tour better than ever.
...said Mike Portnoy.
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I don't think it's that big of a deal if they take a few months off to recharge their batteries. They've been going pretty hard for several years. Get some rest and go on tour better than ever.
...said Mike Portnoy.
There's a difference between a few months and a few years.
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I don't think it's that big of a deal if they take a few months off to recharge their batteries. They've been going pretty hard for several years. Get some rest and go on tour better than ever.
...said Mike Portnoy.
Mike Portnoy wanted DT to go on an indefinite hiatus and return stronger and better than ever. Not even close.
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I can't see the horizon for this recent discussion....
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I don't think it's that big of a deal if they take a few months off to recharge their batteries. They've been going pretty hard for several years. Get some rest and go on tour better than ever.
...said Mike Portnoy.
A summer break is not a multi-year hiatus.
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I can't see the horizon for this recent discussion....
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_6593_1357341967.jpeg)
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But Barry, I'd rather see them at the Orpheum then that hole in Worcester called The Palladium.
Amen! I remember the DT show in Worcester thinking I was in a Planet Of The Apes type movie, and the Palladium was this deep underground space where the humans gathered.
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But Barry, I'd rather see them at the Orpheum then that hole in Worcester called The Palladium.
Amen! I remember the DT show in Worcester thinking I was in a Planet Of The Apes type movie, and the Palladium was this deep underground space where the humans gathered.
:lol That image is now imprinted.
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Well, I've been away from DTF but now I'm back. I wanted to know how things were! Can anybody bring me up to speed on the process of the new album?
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We don't know much, but the most detailed and coherent information we have so far were published yesterday on the interview JP had with DTNorway. You can see a small summary I made here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35260.msg1561287#msg1561287
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Well, so far we know there will be an instrumental, John Myung is writing lyrics, "the fans are in for a real treat, it's gonna be.. beautiful" -James LaBrie, we know what amps John Petrucci is using, apparently
Over the Line Over the Edge Productions just finished filming something with Dream Theater (?), other things.
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A bit off-topic, but what's happening with James' solo album? Has anybody heard anything?
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Well, so far we know there will be an instrumental, John Myung is writing lyrics, "the fans are in for a real treat, it's gonna be.. beautiful" -James LaBrie, we know what amps John Petrucci is using, apparently Over the Line Productions just finished filming something with Dream Theater (?), other things.
Over The Edge, please :D
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Well, so far we know there will be an instrumental, John Myung is writing lyrics, "the fans are in for a real treat, it's gonna be.. beautiful" -James LaBrie, we know what amps John Petrucci is using, apparently Over the Line Productions just finished filming something with Dream Theater (?), other things.
Over The Edge, please :D
Lol. Anyways, the album should be AMAZING.
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A bit off-topic, but what's happening with James' solo album? Has anybody heard anything?
YES! Jens Borgen is mixing/mastering it at the moment. This was posted by Matt Guillory on his FB this week.
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A bit off-topic, but what's happening with James' solo album? Has anybody heard anything?
YES! Jens Borgen is mixing/mastering it at the moment. This was posted by Matt Guillory on his FB this week.
Good. Jens Bogren seems to be almost synonymous with great albums.
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A bit off-topic, but what's happening with James' solo album? Has anybody heard anything?
YES! Jens Borgen is mixing/mastering it at the moment. This was posted by Matt Guillory on his FB this week.
Good. Jens Bogren seems to be almost synonymous with great albums.
Yeah, Static Impulse sounded amazing so I'm hoping for more of that quality :)
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A bit off-topic, but what's happening with James' solo album? Has anybody heard anything?
YES! Jens Borgen is mixing/mastering it at the moment. This was posted by Matt Guillory on his FB this week.
Good. Jens Bogren seems to be almost synonymous with great albums.
Yeah, Static Impulse sounded amazing so I'm hoping for more of that quality :)
I wonder if this album we a continuation of the style on Static Impulse, or something else entirely....
Dubstep, perhaps?
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My impression is that there would be less screamo/growling vocals but with the same heaviness that SI had. And with Peter Wichers from Soilwork, I would think the heaviness of the record will be upped a bit more.
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A bit off-topic, but what's happening with James' solo album? Has anybody heard anything?
YES! Jens Borgen is mixing/mastering it at the moment. This was posted by Matt Guillory on his FB this week.
Good. Jens Bogren seems to be almost synonymous with great albums.
Yeah, Static Impulse sounded amazing so I'm hoping for more of that quality :)
I wonder if this album we a continuation of the style on Static Impulse, or something else entirely....
Dubstep, perhaps?
:neverusethis:
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Dubstep, perhaps?
Bite your tongue!
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I actually like dubstep, but to hear it on a Dream Theater album would be very off pissing.
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I would be extremely surprised to hear any dubstep on a DT record.
On a JLB solo record though, maybe.
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He said that he respected Skrillex for what he did musically, I think. And that his son was a fan of his. :D
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JLB Skrillex colab? I'm down
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A bit off-topic, but what's happening with James' solo album? Has anybody heard anything?
YES! Jens Borgen is mixing/mastering it at the moment. This was posted by Matt Guillory on his FB this week.
Sweet!!! :victorydance: :woot:
JLB Skrillex colab? I'm down
All he'd have to do is make Genie wear glasses. :neverusethis:
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JLB Skrillex colab? I'm down
I'm out.
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Over The Edge:
"A behind the scenes interview in the studio as Dream Theater writes their new album. (Not for the DVD/BluRay... That's done and being prepped for release. Can't say any more than that! :-x )"
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401881_502989773092989_708525360_n.jpg)
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Oh yeah :metal
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James looks hugely taller than the others there :lol
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James looks hugely taller than the others there :lol
I think he's sitting on a table inbetween the couches. And I think Mangini found Petrucci's hair straightener.
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James looks hugely taller than the others there :lol
I think he's sitting on a table inbetween the couches. And I think Mangini found Petrucci's hair straightener.
He found it a loooong time ago :D
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Yaaaay, always good to hear about an upcoming documentary. :metal
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I guess JLB had to sacrifice his ass for the symmetry in the shot.
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Over The Edge:
"A behind the scenes interview in the studio as Dream Theater writes their new album. (Not for the DVD/BluRay... That's done and being prepped for release. Can't say any more than that! :-x )"
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401881_502989773092989_708525360_n.jpg)
Funny how the have the rhythm section in one chair, the solo section in the other and the vocalist alone in the middle. :)
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I guess JLB had to sacrifice his ass for the symmetry in the shot.
And he's the only one who didn't get to sit on the couch for the Twitter Q&A. JUSTICE FOR JAMES.
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Over The Edge:
"A behind the scenes interview in the studio as Dream Theater writes their new album. (Not for the DVD/BluRay... That's done and being prepped for release. Can't say any more than that! :-x )"
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401881_502989773092989_708525360_n.jpg)
I was so amazed by MM's drum kit that it took me a couple of seconds to actually notice the band :D
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This is all very exciting and all, but more to the point - who's their lady friend on the far right?
Yes, no, don't worry, I know.
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This is all very exciting and all, but more to the point - who's their lady friend on the far right?
Yes, no, don't worry, I know.
;D
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This is all very exciting and all, but more to the point - who's their lady friend on the far right?
Yes, no, don't worry, I know.
She looks like MM's wife :o
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I can't see any mics on MM kit which means he's either done with his tracking or they have not begun yet, i'm not sure but of course it could also mean diddly-squat.
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I can't see any mics on MM kit which means he's either done with his tracking or they have not begun yet, i'm not sure but of course it could also mean diddly-squat.
He doesn't need any mics, he is MIKE Mangini.
:icy:
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I can't see any mics on MM kit which means he's either done with his tracking or they have not begun yet, i'm not sure but of course it could also mean diddly-squat.
He's done! They wrapped the drums in the last couple of weeks, I believe.
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i'm not sure but of course it could also mean diddly-squat.
shhhhh don't you know that when you speculate about DT you must present your opinions as fact
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I can't see any mics on MM kit which means he's either done with his tracking or they have not begun yet, i'm not sure but of course it could also mean diddly-squat.
He's done! They wrapped the drums in the last couple of weeks, I believe.
Ooooohhhh i did not know that but i do now! :tup
i'm not sure but of course it could also mean that i'll have to check with Over The Edge for the facts.
shhhhh don't you know that when you speculate about DT you must present your opinions as fact
Better?
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i'm not sure but of course it could also mean diddly-squat.
shhhhh don't you know that when you speculate about DT you must present your opinions as fact
Steven Wilson would so be the star of the board :D
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i'm not sure but of course it could also mean that i'll have to check with Over The Edge for the facts.
shhhhh don't you know that when you speculate about DT you must present your opinions as fact
Better?
Much :tup ;D
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Question time with JXM!
"Any news on the release date for the new album?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X5yWsuxVIDY
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More or less pointless to choose to answer that question when no actual answer exists.
Though I guess they hadn't already said that in interviews or whatever when they filmed this
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I am not sure what is worse:
The fact that that is the best question a fan could come up with (like they would tell us right now if they knew anyway, or the fact that the band chose that lame question to answer instead of picking one that is actually interesting.
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I am not sure what is worse:
The fact that that is the best question a fan could come up with (like they would tell us right now if they knew anyway, or the fact that the band chose that lame question to answer instead of picking one that is actually interesting.
Yeah, that actually makes me wonder if they're not just taking all the questions and answering them one by one, without filtering out the pointless ones.
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Why do you guys hate the questions I asked? ???
:biggrin:
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(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/420611_480991018641391_1856008668_n.jpg)
Is this it!?!?!?!???!!
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Looks Syme-ish. ::)
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It hasn't showed up on the band's actual facebook page yet (I found it on Meme Theater and Progressive Metal Cereal Guy), so I'm not too sure. It is pretty cool though.
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It hasn't showed up on the band's actual facebook page yet (I found it on Meme Theater and Progressive Metal Cereal Guy), so I'm not too sure. It is pretty cool though.
Yeah it's not the real album cover.
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Most certainly not the real cover for anything. There are jagged pixels in the fonts (which means that this image was created SOLELY at this resolution and isn't a scan of a cover), and all of the different components have differing levels of blurriness, suggesting a poor copy-paste job. Looks really fake.
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Damn, I would have loved to hear Blob about that font. Blob, are you there? :D
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I realized that when I saw it wasn't on the official page.
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Not real by any means, but it's... weird how easy it is to imitate Syme's DT covers.
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How anyone could possible think that's real is beyond me. That looks like complete ass.
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The shape of the moon.
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The title is cool though.
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How anyone could possible think that's real is beyond me. That looks like complete ass.
That's what people said of the ADTOE cover in the first place lol
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How anyone could possible think that's real is beyond me. That looks like complete ass.
That's what people said of the ADTOE cover in the first place lol
:rollin I was going to say the same thing.
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How anyone could possible think that's real is beyond me. That looks like complete ass.
That's what people said of the ADTOE cover in the first place lol
:rollin I was going to say the same thing.
:lol
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There are all kinds of DT Facebook pages posting this, and every comment is like "Wow, this looks great!" Honestly, that's a terrible-looking cover. Miles below DT standards. I will be seriously disappointed if they ever used anything like that.
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I like the title, though, even if it's fake.
"City of the Moon".... very cool. :tup
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I'm surprised that bird isn't riding a unicycle.
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There are all kinds of DT Facebook pages posting this, and every comment is like "Wow, this looks great!" Honestly, that's a terrible-looking cover. Miles below DT standards. I will be seriously disappointed if they ever used anything like that.
They kind of did....the fake cover has a similar vibe to BC&SL imo.
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That was my first thought.
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I like the concept so whoever did that just needs to brush up on their photoshop skills and they could be the next Hugh Syme!!!!!!!!!!
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We'll see.
I just hope the new album turns out even better than Octavarium (their best album in my opinion)
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I wouldn't wanna listen to an album which has a cover like that.
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It's a very--proggy title. That's for sure. And artwork too
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So when Pandora has floating chunks of rock, everyone is all like "ewww", "stupid", "James Cameron sucks dick"... but when DT could possibly have it on an album cover, everyone is all like :metal
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The ideas in the artwork are nice I think, but the execution isn't so good. Very Syme-y though. And the title isn't all that DT, but it's a great title, I would expect them to pick something like that.
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Rubbish.
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There are all kinds of DT Facebook pages posting this, and every comment is like "Wow, this looks great!" Honestly, that's a terrible-looking cover. Miles below DT standards. I will be seriously disappointed if they ever used anything like that.
They kind of did....the fake cover has a similar vibe to BC&SL imo.
It is a bit like BC&SL, but that cover was consistent and well-executed. It has very nice artwork and feels like a whole piece. This, on the other hand, feels really frgmented and random, like the art for Awake, which I also really dislike. It's uber-pretentious.
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I always felt Black Clouds looked like a rushed high school digital art project.
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I always felt Black Clouds looked like a rushed high school digital art project.
I think the problem is when DT tries to include too many things. It happens pretty often, and it looks awful. It's better when it's simpler. That's what makes the art for ToT, SDoIT, and Octavarium so great.
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That cover is 100% fake, if people started going around putting the Traces in Water (on the fake 12th album thread https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35334.msg1491247#msg1491247), people would think it was even more real. People are gullible.
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And he's the only one who didn't get to sit on the couch for the Twitter Q&A. JUSTICE FOR JAMES.
:CJS:
:lol
That cover is atrocious, btw.
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Everyone open their Watershed copies and look at the bottom of the last page:
Opeth: City of the Moon
:lol :rollin
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Oh man, for real? :rollin
DTpeth :lol :lol :lol
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How anyone could possible think that's real is beyond me. That looks like complete ass.
Yup, as others have already said, I'll agree. That's been my thought about many Syme covers.
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How anyone could possible think that's real is beyond me. That looks like complete ass.
Not sure what else I can add to this. I'm sure a 4 year old is more competent in Photoshop.
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I've never had a problem with any of DT's covers, even ADTOE. But this, this would be garbage if it were real :lol
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We'll just have to wait and see.
So far it seems most have been disappointed with DT's album covers as of late.
Appreciate the effort.
But yeah, that album cover is very fake.
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Come on, nobody could possibly believe that cover was real. Nasty cheap bevel on the text, wonky aspect ratios, poor composition, a stupid name that isn't DT-ish at all, and also they wouldn't have a finished cover before even finishing lyrics and recording the songs.
Also, I hadn't been sent it, which means it's definitely not real. :biggrin:
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found the original artwork here https://oddeelab.com/index.php/18-best-pictures-of-amazing-creative-world/
(https://oddeelab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/132.jpg)
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Come on, nobody could possibly believe that cover was real. Nasty cheap bevel on the text, wonky aspect ratios, poor composition, a stupid name that isn't DT-ish at all, and also they wouldn't have a finished cover before even finishing lyrics and recording the songs.
Also, I hadn't been sent it, which means it's definitely not real. :biggrin:
The bevel on the text, I think was the biggest tip off.
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I love how it is actually circulating. I saw it pop on Facebook a few times.
Watch, we're all wrong and the new album is called Metropolis of the Sun
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Please no...
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Won't somebody please think of the children?!
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Won't somebody please think of the children?!
There we go. We have a plot.
Victoria was actually pregnant with a child. With the sun in place, Victoria is revived and that child is born. As a child, it thought it could live without pain, without sorrow. Then it learns to grow up and the child crawls to find Victoria.
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:lol
Metropolis Pt 3: And My Son's Not So Bright
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:lol
Metropolis Pt 3: And My Son's Not So Bright
:rollin
:slayer: Victoria is not my lover. She's just a girl who thinks that I am the miracle. But the sleeper's not my son. :slayer:
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:slayer: Random urine testing
Pills red, pink and blue
Counseling and therapy
Providing not a clue :slayer:
This song is about Victoria's son's experience in pre-school
Dammit, I know DT would copy an album for DT 12
:lol
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That cover looked very fake. The name "City of the Moon" isn't a good album title at all, for any band. ADToE cover looked fine, at least less sloppy.
Feels like it's almost a little late to comment on that but there it is.
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:rollin
:slayer: Victoria is not my lover. She's just a girl who thinks that I am the miracle. But the sleeper's not my son. :slayer:
Well, what if Victoria had a third man? What if, "The Miracle and the Mleeper know that the third one is Love," actually referred to a third man, (herein referred to as Love) and HE was the one giving her the dance of eternity? :omg:
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The dance of maternity resulted in a child, a sickening monstrous sight. After a brief ANALYSIS! they decided it was best to give themselves up to the forsaken, and take away their pain.
Poor Vanessa.
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The dance of maternity resulted in a child, a sickening monstrous sight. After a brief ANALYSIS! they decided it was best to give themselves up to the forsaken, and take away their pain.
Poor Vanessa.
Post of the day ;D ;D :omg:
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The dance of maternity resulted in a child, a sickening monstrous sight. After a brief ANALYSIS! they decided it was best to give themselves up to the forsaken, and take away their pain.
Poor Vanessa,
Sucking on his pipe.
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:lol
Metropolis Pt 3: And My Son's Not So Bright
:rollin
:slayer: Victoria is not my lover. She's just a girl who thinks that I am the miracle. But the sleeper's not my son. :slayer:
:lol
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I feel a little sick that anyone from DT even had to justify that "cover" with a response.
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Me, too. Jesus. :facepalm:
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How anyone could possible think that's real is beyond me. That looks like complete ass.
That's what people said of the ADTOE Dance of Death cover in the first place lol
FTFY
Even so, I'm surprised anyone thought that was the real cover. It looks downright awful.
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That cover is awful.
I guess JLB had to sacrifice his ass for the symmetry in the shot.
And he's the only one who didn't get to sit on the couch for the Twitter Q&A. JUSTICE FOR JAMES.
But he's the victim - getting tackled and hit in the head with golf balls wasn't enough, now he always has to sit alone! :D
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That cover is awful.
I guess JLB had to sacrifice his ass for the symmetry in the shot.
And he's the only one who didn't get to sit on the couch for the Twitter Q&A. JUSTICE FOR JAMES.
But he's the victim - getting tackled and hit in the head with golf balls wasn't enough, now he always has to sit alone! :D
Hold on... Hit in the head with golf balls? Don't remember that one, explain?
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https://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/opeth-archived/404388-mikes-new-mysbace-blog.html
During Dream Theaters set we decided to play some golf on the side of the stage. Hitting the balls (plastic of course) at the band. We actually (no names) hit James LaBrie in the head! He looked a little pissed actually, but he should blame the Port, haha!
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Ah, so that's why he hit the Z#5 that night. Good to know... :yarr
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Personally, I'm somewhat curious about why that guy refers to Jordan as "Master".
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Personally, I'm somewhat curious about why that guy refers to Jordan as "Master".
Isn't it obvious.
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So he was the Dark Master all along? :omg:
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I feel a little sick that anyone from DT even had to justify that "cover" with a response.
No kidding. :facepalm:
Personally, I'm somewhat curious about why that guy refers to Jordan as "Master".
Isn't it obvious.
Really! Duh... :lol
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I feel a little sick that anyone from DT even had to justify that "cover" with a response.
Why?
It's cool that he did respond.
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Jordan's lying.
It's obvious the real cover got leaked and they're just trying to cover it up.
That cover is the epitome of high quality.
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Jordan's lying.
It's obvious the real cover got leaked and they're just trying to cover it up.
That cover is the epitome of high quality.
Obviously. I wouldn't be able to make a better one nor would be Hugh Syme.
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When I saw that pic - my *immediate* reaction was that it was fake and that someone on here had knocked it off.
It's mad what people on the internet will believe.
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I just hope no one actually thinks it's good. Then I might consider vomiting.
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No, I liked that kind of cottinuity! It was a cool thing to put the records into a perspective, I guess.
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. I guess I think it's time for a change.
You mean it's... time to make a change?
TIME!
FOR!
CHANGE!
:laugh:
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Are we closer than before?
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Can we help them break away their grip on our DVDs and CDs?!
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Every single day means closer to a single.
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I just hope no one actually thinks it's good. Then I might consider vomiting.
*leaves SDude a bucket* :laugh:
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Every single day means closer to a single.
Every single leaves me closer to my last!
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Every single leaves me closer to my last!
But as we get closer, was it really worth what we have learned?
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Every single leaves me closer to my last!
But as we get closer, was it really worth what we have learned?
I'm in the IE, and the saddened chimes I hear. Race to the board to find, one more delay, APPEEEAAARS!
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It's slowly coming into view.
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ROOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!
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That cover sucks like hell ;D can't be true ;)
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That cover sucks like hell ;D can't be true ;)
Sucking on his pipe
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Looks like somebody will join DT shortly in the studio!
Tomorrow, I'm in studio with Dream Theater, a dream of four years coming true. Details later. :)
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Is that related to JR's solo thingy he's raising funds for?
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May be, but I don't see why it couldn't be related to the new album itself!
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That cover sucks like hell ;D can't be true ;)
Sucking on his pipe
:lol
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Looks like somebody will join DT shortly in the studio!
Tomorrow, I'm in studio with Dream Theater, a dream of four years coming true. Details later. :)
:o I wonder what he'll be doing...
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Maybe a guest spot on the new album? Arranging some orchestral stuff or perhaps performing something.
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Looks like somebody will join DT shortly in the studio!
Tomorrow, I'm in studio with Dream Theater, a dream of four years coming true. Details later. :)
Man,so proud of this guy. :hefdaddy
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May be, but I don't see why it couldn't be related to the new album itself!
It very well might be, but given JR's solo project in the works, it wouldn't be my first thought. We'll see!
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All these DT jokes are killing my brain.
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All these DT jokes are killing my brain.
A daily dose
Of DT jokes
Will flush your mind right down the drain
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All these DT jokes are killing my brain.
A daily dose
Of DT jokes
Will flush your mind right down the drain
I'd have gone for "ComeDyT," in the spirit of the original.
Although, er, I do fear the word "comedy" might be just slightly too strong a word to adequately describe the events of the last page or so.
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A Comedic Turn of Events
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Eren update! I'm so happy for him, he's such a great guy! :)
today.. with DT, it was unbelievable! almost unreal, more than I could describe with words. I'm done for my part of the work. another checkpoint in life for me, I'm feeling happy after such a long time. I don't need to say all the new music sounds awesome by the way, right? we already know that. :)
So, Blob? :D
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Eren update! I'm so happy for him, he's such a great guy! :)
today.. with DT, it was unbelievable! almost unreal, more than I could describe with words. I'm done for my part of the work. another checkpoint in life for me, I'm feeling happy after such a long time. I don't need to say all the new music sounds awesome by the way, right? we already know that. :)
So, Blob? :D
Well there you go! I'm interested to hear his contribution to the album now. I've always enjoyed guest musicians on DT's albums.
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Interesting to hear that there'll be at least one guest on the new album! :tup
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All these DT jokes are killing my brain.
A daily dose
Of DT jokes
Will flush your mind right down the drain
I'd have gone for "ComeDyT," in the spirit of the original.
Although, er, I do fear the word "comedy" might be just slightly too strong a word to adequately describe the events of the last page or so.
Thank God, someone who understands.
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Rudess on the new album and Mangini:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZKwtAXsdqo
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Nice. Thanks for that!
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I'm hoping for some cool SFAM style polyrhythms. And I'm hoping to actually hear MM.
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That sounds very promising, good to see that Mangini was involved directly in songwriting, not only coming up with his drum parts.
I expect some sick rhythms in the new album, and as BlobVanDam said, hopefully better drum sound-overall mix.
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I'm hoping for some cool SFAM style polyrhythms. And I'm hoping to actually hear MM.
This. And also bass audio at comparable levels to where they were in ToT. JM needs some love.
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Rudess on the new album and Mangini:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZKwtAXsdqo
Nice, you've certainly earned your title.
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And I'm hoping to actually hear MM.
Like a surprise vocal chorus by MM?
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And I'm hoping to actually hear MM.
Like a surprise vocal chorus by MM?
:lol As amusing as that might be, I think I'd settle for just hearing his drums.
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And I'm hoping to actually hear MM.
Like a surprise vocal chorus by MM?
:lol As amusing as that might be, I think I'd settle for just hearing his drums.
Mike Mangini--Durms
-- Percussion
--Vocal Mangini'd
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And I'm hoping to actually hear MM.
Like a surprise vocal chorus by MM?
Why not, he must have a great toooooooooone.
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They should make a 20 minute song in which Mangini's "ooohhhhohhohohh" from his acceptance phone call plays over and over again in the background. They should make a contest to see who can spot it, like ass and balls in In the Name of God. It'll be a blast.
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Oh, wow! I really like what JR said about the change in the writing approach brought about by Mike :caffeine:
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:lol As amusing as that might be, I think I'd settle for just hearing his drums.
Yeah, I think we've had enough drummers doing vocals between BC&SL and Static Impulse.
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DT going more math rock???? Ohhhhh boy!
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:lol As amusing as that might be, I think I'd settle for just hearing his drums.
Yeah, I think we've had enough drummers doing vocals between BC&SL and Static Impulse.
1000% agreed!
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Oh, wow! I really like what JR said about the change in the writing approach brought about by Mike :caffeine:
Yep yep! :caffeine:
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:lol As amusing as that might be, I think I'd settle for just hearing his drums.
Yeah, I think we've had enough drummers doing vocals between BC&SL and Static Impulse.
I'm fine with it on BCASL. Static Impulse was thoroughly ruined by it though imo.
Seriously though, I'd love to hear some non-JLB harmonies return though, because for me ADTOE was lacking for it. Even just more JP backups. His tone mixes well with JLB's.
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And I'm hoping to actually hear MM.
Like a surprise vocal chorus by MM?
Like Inventory.
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Going from the question about the album in general to Mangini, Jordan's eyes really lit up, so I'm even more excited.
I don't think we'll ever get a mix as high as MP, but considering the amount of emphasis the band is placing on MM in just about every interview, I would expect a bump up from ADTOE. I feel that while they were very optimistic about MM last album, it was still "safe". I'm (cautiously) anticipating what could be another turning point in DT's career.
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Going from the question about the album in general to Mangini, Jordan's eyes really lit up, so I'm even more excited.
I don't think we'll ever get a mix as high as MP, but considering the amount of emphasis the band is placing on MM in just about every interview, I would expect a bump up from ADTOE. I feel that while they were very optimistic about MM last album, it was still "safe". I'm (cautiously) anticipating what could be another turning point in DT's career.
FW, I agree. High expectations for this album, especially considering how long they are taking to make the record.
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I'm fine with it on BCASL. Static Impulse was thoroughly ruined by it though imo.
Seriously though, I'd love to hear some non-JLB harmonies return though, because for me ADTOE was lacking for it. Even just more JP backups. His tone mixes well with JLB's.
I don't mind when he wanted to do a little side rap, or something you know, like "Day after day" or just general harmonies. But when he tries to do his screams in the background like in TCOT, or worse, do them AFTER JLB like in A Rite of Passage verses, it was just annoying and kinda ruined the vocals for me.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/921618_552549121463771_1520804779_o.jpg)
We have about another month left here in the studio. Been busy writing lyrics. Jordan is laying down keys and we even had some special "guests" join us this week.
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Arg, my screen won't zoom in far enough for me to read what's on the paper...
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At first I thought, "Why is JP writing on his laptop?" Then I looked with my good eye and noticed I was an idiot.
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I can read two lines.
The first one says: Every Person is a... shy? IDK.
And another one says: What if all that I believe.
Come on guys, I trust in you ;D
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" An Angel In Disguise "
" Begging to be told " ?
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"Sucking on his pipe??!!"
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RRRROOOOOOOAAAAWWWRRRR
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I can read two lines.
The first one says: Every Person is a... shy? IDK.
And another one says: What if all that I believe.
Come on guys, I trust in you ;D
The lines are...
Every person is a story
Begging to be told
The word "paralyzed" appears to be in the fourth line of the top sheet. Course it is, it's John Petrucci.
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First line says "every person is a story" I believe
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Yes,
"Every person is a story
begging to be told"
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Little way down...
What if all that I believe
For a moment I (was?) lost
Quick moment of self-awareness - this kind of thing might be part of the reason they never do studio updates. Alright, moment over, let's do this thang.
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Watch these lyrics be complete BS posted just to fuck with us
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First word in the fourth line says "Paralyzed" I think "Paralyzed like a" which replaces the part he crossed out... And then something somthing "flame"?
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(https://i39.tinypic.com/23ws4n7.jpg)
In case anyone's having trouble mucking in, here's a version that's been rotated, stretched, and had the levels adjusted.
Paralyzed looks like a replacement for the thing crossed out beneath it - "Paralyzed like a," arrow, "<??> to a flame." Moth's the cliché, but it doesn't look like the word moth.
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The part that's circled, the last word looks like "soul" then the line under that, the last word has to be "stoic"
Then under that, the part that stacked is "Every story is a (moment?) with every step I take."
Or, "with every story I (something)" take wouldn't make sense...
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"With every step I▓ take" looks definitely right for that line.
Above it, the circled line, it looks like "Only xxxx xxxxx for spares." I'd agree with "soul" at the end of the circle.
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"With every step I▓ take" looks definitely right for that line.
Above it, the circled line, it looks like "Only xxxx xxxxx for spares." I'd agree with "soul" at the end of the circle.
There's a line underneath that though, so maybe it's "with every step I take" isn't the end of the phrase.
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Here's what I see:
(Hue?)
every person is a story
begging to be told
hypnotized clueless
paralyzed (??)
(??) like a (???) to a flame
What if all that I believe
for a moment I we (??)
(??)
empty (?????????????)
(circled) cared you a soul
That's all I could read from that.
also
an angel in disguise
Honestly, I think we're getting VERY close to a single.
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I've got the underlined ones as "hypnotized" and "powerless," (specifically, I saw "Pxxxxless," and I'm guessing the middle) but can see clueless too now if I squint. Could be either!
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Wait a second... Every story is a moment might not be linked to the line below it... What if it's something like, "Every story is a moment (carried within a soul)"?
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Yes! That's carried! Nice!
And "upon" after it, I think - carried upon a soul.
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Lyrics aside, check out those biceps!
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Yes! That's carried! Nice!
And "upon" after it, I think - carried upon a soul.
Yeah, I figured it wasn't within. But something along those lines. Upon sounds about right.
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Yes! That's carried! Nice!
And "upon" after it, I think - carried upon a soul.
Yeah, I figured it wasn't within. But something along those lines. Upon sounds about right.
Hey, we'll get it between us!
Is it "turned to stone" to the right and down? Doesn't really make sense, but looks like those words.
ETA: "Carved in stone?"
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After "hypnotized", I see "Blameless"
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After "hypnotized", I see "Blameless"
...I think you're right! It looks like it now you've said it, which powerless and clueless never quiiite did. I can see the individual letters, now you've said it.
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"For a moment I lost" (the word before 'lost' is scribbled out)
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"empty ----- fill up the spaces"
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I think it's funny how a single picture is posted and if there's ANYTHING we can get out of it it WILL be gotten.
We already know a decent amount of lyrics to a song now, before it's even released.
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After "carried upon our soul", it's "cared to share (or stare)"
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I think it's funny how a single picture is posted and if there's ANYTHING we can get out of it it WILL be gotten.
We already know a decent amount of lyrics to a song now, before it's even released.
They're probably just trying to trip us up.
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I think it's funny how a single picture is posted and if there's ANYTHING we can get out of it it WILL be gotten.
We already know a decent amount of lyrics to a song now, before it's even released.
They're probably just trying to trip us up.
I actually really doubt that.
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"empty ----- fill up the spaces"
Souls, perhaps? Looks like a tall letter followed by an S at the end, starts with an S-shape.
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I think it's funny how a single picture is posted and if there's ANYTHING we can get out of it it WILL be gotten.
We already know a decent amount of lyrics to a song now, before it's even released.
They're probably just trying to trip us up.
I actually really doubt that.
Yeah, but it would be funny.
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It might be souls, but I actually see "sands". Like each grain of sand in the hourglass is a moment of our life. But it could be souls.
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Here's what I'm seeing so far...
What if all that I believe
for a moment I ' ve lost
and
empty words fill up the squares - like in a crossword?
Every story is a moment carried upon a soul, carried to (something) - I'm pretty sure it's carried again.
With every step I take (something) the (something)
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Reminds me of Rush's Entre Nous
We are secrets to each other
Each one's life a novel
No one else has read
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This is what we have figured out.
(---)
every person is a story
begging to be told
hypnotized blameless
paralyzed life
(--) like a (---) to a flame
What if all that I believe
for a moment I lost (---)
(---)
empty (words?) fill up the spaces
(circled) carried upon our (soul, sands?)
cared to share
with every step I take
hesitate or falter
dig & dig fast (?)
I can't (---)
I can't (---)
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an angel in disguise
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This is what we have figured out.
(---)
every person is a story
begging to be told
hypnotized blameless
paralyzed life
(--) like a (---) to a flame
What if all that I believe
for a moment I lost (---)
(---)
empty (words?) fill up the spaces
(circled) carried upon our soul
cared to share
with every step I take
hesitate or falter
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an angel in disguise
Wither Pt.II
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Wither Pt.II
Heh, I think John is experiencing it
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/921618_552549121463771_1520804779_o.jpg)
We have about another month left here in the studio. Been busy writing lyrics. Jordan is laying down keys and we even had some special "guests" join us this week.
Awwwwwww. :hearts:
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Anyone else encouraged that even this far into the album, they're still spending another month with the material? Feels like having that much time to gestate on the material can only be a good thing.
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Most DEFINITELY encouraged - I wasn't really a fan of the semi-rushed DT. Let the songs grow lives of their own.
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Of course, the songs are essentially done, instrumentally, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went back and tweaked a thing or two.
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I can't read shit. :yeahright
Special guest?!! :o
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Of course, the songs are essentially done, instrumentally, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went back and tweaked a thing or two.
Nah, me either.
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The song has got to be about Mike Portnoy.
:biggrin:
Also, I love how JP posted a random picture of his papers, having no idea fans will actually go into a deep analysis about those lyrics. :lol
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The song has got to be about Mike Portnoy.
:biggrin:
:rollin
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I think it's funny how a single picture is posted and if there's ANYTHING we can get out of it it WILL be gotten.
Welcome to DTF!
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Pretty much. :lol
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Then when the tracklist gets revealed, we'll try to guess which song features those lyrics :D
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:lol
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...And if we're not sure, we'll analyze the samples/snippets :lol
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'cause that is what we effin DO. :metalol:
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we.
fuck.
shit.
up.
Oh no wait wrong forum. WE SET SHIT ON FIRE.
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...And if we're not sure, we'll analyze the samples/snippets :lol
And we're already complaining that there isn't enough info given by the band. Hell, yeah, already give me the price of that effin' album!!! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
B.Lee
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Lyrics aside, check out those biceps!
:o
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New one, about Rich Chycki: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MJGbLhX2TI&feature=youtu.be
:heart JP. Love the enthusiasm.
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Cool, thanks Mora!
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When Petrucci says he's amaster impressionist, only LaBrie and Mangini smiles or laughs, was it Rudess and Myung who were being impersonated? ;)
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Well, it's not that hard to impersonate JMX, is it? :D
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Also, are you suggesting that because John M showed no expression, he must be offended...?
Maybe JP has been impersonating him since childhood!
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It's times like this we need the picture enhancement computer from blade runner!!
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It's times like this we need the picture enhancement computer from blade runner!!
Or the CSI filter :biggrin:
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It's times like this we need the picture enhancement computer from blade runner!!
Or the CSI filter :biggrin:
Ah yes, the good ol' CSI filter.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/csiapproach.jpg)
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:lol
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What JP said about the sound of the album sounds promising :caffeine:
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When Petrucci says he's amaster impressionist, only LaBrie and Mangini smiles or laughs, was it Rudess and Myung who were being impersonated? ;)
I thought that would mean it was JLB who was being impersonated.. And MM is laughing just because he's kinda hyper. I think that makes the most sense haha
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It's times like this we need the picture enhancement computer from blade runner!!
Or the CSI filter :biggrin:
Ah yes, the good ol' CSI filter.
*le snip*
haha :rollin :lol
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Over the Edge Productions
@iammikeleonard filming with #DreamTheater as they record their new album. Photo by @godfreytabarez
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/7799_505951952796771_495044117_n.jpg)
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OMG, JP springing from darkness :o
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(https://i.imgur.com/KC1RJAS.jpg)
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100/100 and :hefdaddy
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Awesome image
Holy shit i laughed so hard :lol :lol :lol
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Classic!!! :lol
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A slideshow of that should be the first teaser for the new album :D
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Well done Scorp.
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:rollin
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I can't (---)
I can't (---)
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it's a song about how fangirls talk on twitter.
The song is going to be called
" omg i can't even what is my life omg idk "
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I can't (---)
I can't (---)
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it's a song about how fangirls talk on twitter.
The song is going to be called
" omg i can't even what is my life omg idk "
Lol.
So apparently only the vocals are left on the album, according to the new Q and A.
SINGLE PLEASE.
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It really suits the time period as well, since they're in the later stages of the album. Awesome job.
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...And if we're not sure, we'll analyze the samples/snippets :lol
And we're already complaining that there isn't enough info given by the band. Hell, yeah, already give me the price of that effin' album!!! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
B.Lee
No kidding - SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!! :biggrin:
Ah yes, the good ol' CSI filter.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/csiapproach.jpg)
:rollin
(https://i.imgur.com/KC1RJAS.jpg)
Oh Scrop... :rollin :rollin :heart
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that disembodied Petrucci head is kinda creeping me out
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"disembodied Petrucci head" :rollin
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(https://i.imgur.com/KC1RJAS.jpg)
hehehe. that made my day
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*pic*
Brilliant! :lol
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(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/beartracks.jpg)
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Someone should create a thread, with that sequence of images, and a caption contest, like the CSI Miami one.
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:rollin
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Fucking WIN, Blob. :lol :lol
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:rollin. Hehe, thats a scary picture :P.
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A slideshow of that should be the first teaser for the new album :D
This!! :lol
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(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/beartracks.jpg)
The file name is LOL worthy too. :lol :rollin
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Holy. Shit.
:rollin
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*pic*
The file name is LOL worthy too. :lol :rollin
Yeah, it is! :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MJGbLhX2TI
This one's interesting.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MJGbLhX2TI
This one's interesting.
It's also very important, shedding light that basically every person in the band LOVES the album, and that it will have GREAT sound quality.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MJGbLhX2TI
This one's interesting.
JLB's small "heh" when JP says he's a master impressionist :lol
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That's his trademark thoughtful polite laughter. :biggrin:
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That's his trademark thoughtful polite laughter. :biggrin:
It's exactly the same as the one on Blob's JLB action figuuurree where he sings the F#
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And the same as the one he did in the audion video when JP said Mike Mangini could have done with one limb what most drummers can't do with two. :D
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that's his trademark laugh? hmm, I would have thought it'd be more like https://youtu.be/He-LBIyBUz8?t=41s
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that's his trademark laugh? hmm, I would have thought it'd be more like https://youtu.be/He-LBIyBUz8?t=41s
Nope, that's JM's :D
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that's his trademark laugh? hmm, I would have thought it'd be more like https://youtu.be/He-LBIyBUz8?t=41s
Nope, that's JM's :D
:rollin
SOMEONE (who is good at photoshop) should definitely put JMX's mouth, eye, and hair into this pic-
(https://images.wikia.com/spongebob/images/e/eb/PaintythePirate.jpg)
then maybe make the parrot resemble the "tweet my ass and balls" bird
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And the same as the one he did in the audion video when JP said Mike Mangini could have done with one limb what most drummers can't do with two. :D
He probably thought "ehahahaha that sounded soooo wrong" :lol
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Nah, James's mind is as pure as a child's :lol
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Nah, James's mind is as pure as a child's :lol
Oh come on Marco REALLY :lol
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Nah, James's mind is as pure as a child's :lol
Oh come on Marco REALLY :lol
Headcanon is sacred, Milena :lol
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Nah, James's mind is as pure as a child's :lol
Oh come on Marco REALLY :lol
Headcanon is sacred, Milena :lol
Okay okay *grumble*
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Nah, James's mind is as pure as a child's :lol
Oh come on Marco REALLY :lol
Headcanon is sacred, Milena :lol
Okay okay *grumble*
:corn
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MJGbLhX2TI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MJGbLhX2TI)
This one's interesting.
JLB's small "heh" when JP says he's a master impressionist :lol
Loved all of his head nods too. :biggrin:
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Labrie's nods of approval were Ph'nom'nal.
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So, anyone want to speculate about the album?
So far, we know it's going to be amazing, with instrumental, JM writing lyrics, ph'nom'nal dynamics, etc, amazing sound quality... I could go on.
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So, anyone want to speculate about the album?
So far, we know it's going to be amazing, with instrumental, JM writing lyrics, ph'nom'nal dynamics, etc, amazing sound quality... I could go on.
In other words, perfect.
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So, anyone want to speculate about the album?
So far, we know it's going to be amazing, with instrumental, JM writing lyrics, ph'nom'nal dynamics, etc, amazing sound quality... I could go on.
;D Did you get that from my post immediately above yours or was it a massive coincidence ?
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Labrie's nods of approval were Ph'nom'nal.
True dat. :lol
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So, anyone want to speculate about the album?
So far, we know it's going to be amazing, with instrumental, JM writing lyrics, ph'nom'nal dynamics, etc, amazing sound quality... I could go on.
;D Did you get that from my post immediately above yours or was it a massive coincidence ?
Not a coincidence at all.
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;D Did you get that from my post immediately above yours or was it a massive coincidence ?
No accident!
FTFY.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CBsuGrPHGIY
"what would make you think of that" DYING :biggrin:
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Seaboard. I'm now watching this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKk3BtfTzG8
Looks like Continuum meets regular keyboard. I dig it and it's cool that we will get to hear it in the new record and hopefully live :D
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First thought when he starts answering, "keyboard commercial".
Fun to hear that there will be some "waky" instrumentation.
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I was really distracted by the way Jordan's head kept melting into the wall.
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Seaboard. I'm now watching this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKk3BtfTzG8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKk3BtfTzG8)
Looks like Continuum meets regular keyboard. I dig it and it's cool that we will get to hear it in the new record and hopefully live :D
It's AWESOME - Jordan did some things in Austin for South By Southwest and we were able to hook up with him. :)
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When was that? :omg:
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The middle of March - the 15th, I believe.
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The middle of March - the 15th, I believe.
Did he look happy with his writing/recording time with the band? :)
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Yes. :)
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First thought when he starts answering, "keyboard commercial".
Fun to hear that there will be some "waky" instrumentation.
Sorry for the typo, guys, I didn't write that question in my best conditions :angel:
But anyway, Jordan answered my question, that's enough for me ;D I made better questions, though. Can't wait to see what the Seaboard can do.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MJGbLhX2TI
This one's interesting.
It's also very important, shedding light that basically every person in the band LOVES the album, and that it will have GREAT sound quality.
With all due respect, considering they haven't had an album that sounds great since the 90s, I am not sure I can trust their "this will sound great" comment since I am not sure they know what sounds great anymore (as far as dynamics, sonically and all that jazz go). Even if this engineer is as great as they say, who knows if Roadrunner will come in and make sure the mixing is modernized, thus taking away what could have been a great mix. So yeah, while I hope this is true, I remain skeptical in that regard.
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Fun to hear that there will be some "waky" instrumentation.
But isn't there wanky instrumentation on every DT album?
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I really don't get the Chycki decision. I mean, only DT would actively seek-out the dude responsible for the "Snakes & Arrows" and "Rush in Rio" sound :P
But, I guess I have to give him the benefit of the doubt, right? I just hope he got the job because he's the best guy available, and not just because 1.) he worked with Rush and 2.) he's JLB's old bandmate.
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Wasn't he also responsible for Static impulse sound? That album sounds pretty awesome.
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Wasn't he also responsible for Static impulse sound? That album sounds pretty awesome.
No that was Jens Borgen, who has mixed a number of awesome sounding metal albums (in addition to SI, he did recent work with Opeth, Katatonia, and Devin Townsend).
But he never worked with Rush, so DT will probably never choose him ::)
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Oh, OK, sorry, I probably got confused.
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I really don't get the Chycki decision. I mean, only DT would actively seek-out the dude responsible for the "Snakes & Arrows" and "Rush in Rio" sound :P
But, I guess I have to give him the benefit of the doubt, right? I just hope he got the job because he's the best guy available, and not just because 1.) he worked with Rush and 2.) he's JLB's old bandmate.
I actually thought the sound was the only good thing about S & A.
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Seaboard. I'm now watching this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKk3BtfTzG8
Looks like Continuum meets regular keyboard. I dig it and it's cool that we will get to hear it in the new record and hopefully live :D
It's certainly an interesting piece of engineering, but I have a hard time seeing how this Seaboard produces anything different than a keyboard plus pitch wheel. I mean, the sound themselves are still generated by the usual gear.
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I am shamefully ignorant of the capabilities of a keyboard+wheel, but I think I caught Jordan saying that you can bend the pitch of more than one note indipendently. Also the feel of the elastic feedback of the keys, and the ability to control/bend the notes in situ, with a direct response by the mechanical components of the instrument on the very finger that's playing the note.
Still have to figure out how much this is an improvement over the Haken Continuum, besides the more pronounced keyboard structure.
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Adding some kind of modulation to single note is called "polyphonic aftertouch" and has been around for a long time. I mean, this is a slightly different way of doing it (normal keyboards require you to vary the pressure on the key once it's pushed down) but I think it's totally marginal. I think this is more of a manufacturer endorsement thing than anything else.
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Well, I can't say anything but that I hope you're wrong and that we will find so in some great sounding section of the new album, hopefully with this device being used at his full potential.
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Yes I think both the seaboard and continuum let you pitch bend multiple notes independantly at the same time, and I don't believe I've ever seen a real keyboard do that (the only way would be to sample one of the notes). But the seaboard can also change the tone of the note depending on how hard you press it, even after the initial attack, which would be REAALLY cool- I don't think the continuum can do that, but I'm not sure.
Edit: also remember when you have a keyboard and pitchwheel, you set the wheel to bend the pitch by a certain set amount, and it is really hard to stop on a note in between the two. You would have to go to the next banked setting to have the wheel bend a different amount for another note. Aside from a pitch wheel though, there is also that "ribbon" thing Jordan used on his keyboard '99-'04. I don't know how that works. I'm assuming it's like using a fretless (if you will) continuum starting on the note you are playing on the keys.
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I can't wait.
I just feel giddy knowing I could come home from school and find a single from the new album released (unlikely, but possible)
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I can't wait.
I just feel giddy knowing I could come home from school and find a single from the new album released (unlikely, but possible)
The day that OTBOA was to be released on YouTube, which was a weekend I think, I woke up at the time it was said to be posted just to listen to it. :lol
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Adding some kind of modulation to single note is called "polyphonic aftertouch" and has been around for a long time. I mean, this is a slightly different way of doing it (normal keyboards require you to vary the pressure on the key once it's pushed down) but I think it's totally marginal. I think this is more of a manufacturer endorsement thing than anything else.
It frees up your left hand. Now Jordan can scratch his head. That is the selling point which is really usefull.
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I can't wait.
I just feel giddy knowing I could come home from school and find a single from the new album released (unlikely, but possible)
The day that OTBOA was to be released on YouTube, which was a weekend I think, I woke up at the time it was said to be posted just to listen to it. :lol
But it was 11AM EST :D
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Hey. Some of us like to sleep in :P
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I really like the seaboard, I'd love to check one out myself in the future. I think it can add to DT's live sound in that Jordan could indeed play patches or chords with his left hand during a little solo or fill. And instead of choosing either to phrase the solo with the pitch- and modwheel, or playing a left hand, you could now do both.
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I think it can add to DT's live sound in that Jordan could indeed play patches or chords with his left hand during a little solo or fill. And instead of choosing either to phrase the solo with the pitch- and modwheel, or playing a left hand, you could now do both.
I'm sure the people who think Jordan overplays everything will be delighted :lol
I know I will be delighted, it's such a Jordan-ey keyboard.
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Haha, yeah, that's the tricky part. Although it could mean that he gets more fun, and more control over just playing patches. As a keyboard player myself, I know how boring 'just playing chords' can be, but if you can phrase every single note of that chord, it gets way more fun.
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Wasn't he also responsible for Static impulse sound? That album sounds pretty awesome.
No, but he did Engineer and Mix Elements of Persuasion.
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No, but he did Engineer and Mix Elements of Persuasion.
Wait, he did?? Elements of Persuasion is one of the best sounding albums I've ever heard. Dammit, hurry up and release a single or something already! I can't wait to hear this.
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Wasn't he also responsible for Static impulse sound? That album sounds pretty awesome.
No, but he did Engineer and Mix Elements of Persuasion.
Yeah and Elements Of Persuasion sounds very good for what it is. Very powerful drum sound, and good mix i think. Let's see what sound are DT aiming for with this album.
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No, but he did Engineer and Mix Elements of Persuasion.
Wait, he did?? Elements of Persuasion is one of the best sounding albums I've ever heard. Dammit, hurry up and release a single or something already! I can't wait to hear this.
I don't think it sounds very good at all, but it definitely sounds better than most DT albums since Shirley stopped doing them.
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I can't wait.
I just feel giddy knowing I could come home from school and find a single from the new album released (unlikely, but possible)
The day that OTBOA was to be released on YouTube, which was a weekend I think, I woke up at the time it was said to be posted just to listen to it. :lol
But it was 11AM EST :D
Hey. Some of us like to sleep in :P
Exactly. :P
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And was it in one of those pleasant occasion that your profile pic was taken? :-X
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I don't think it sounds very good at all, but it definitely sounds better than most DT albums since Shirley stopped doing them.
I think it sounds better than any DT album ever. The guitars are so much more crisp, and the sound is so polished and powerful.
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And was it in one of those pleasant occasion that your profile pic was taken? :-X
Haha, nope. :biggrin:
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Haha, nope. :biggrin:
Ah, now I get it :neverusethis:
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I don't think it sounds very good at all, but it definitely sounds better than most DT albums since Shirley stopped doing them.
I think it sounds better than any DT album ever. The guitars are so much more crisp, and the sound is so polished and powerful.
Not even close. It works well enough for what it is, but it's generic metal production, and it's got that typical triggered sounding metal drum sound that has zero dynamics, and wouldn't work well applied to DT's prog style. It could have been any old metal drummer behind the kit on that album for all it mattered, because it has no nuance, and sounds very quantized and compressed. I wouldn't want MM's playing to lose its subtlety and dynamics on the next DT album, especially after being so poorly mixed on the last one.
And the guitars and bass mush together into a muddy sameness, worse than any of the recent DT albums where people complain about not being able to hear JM's bass. It sounds nice and heavy for a straight-forward headbanging album like that, but it's no good for DT's music. The guitar has a lot of sub-woof that overpowers the bass. There's a lot of bass in there, just not a lot of clarity and tooooone.
And the whole thing is over-compressed too.
As I said, it works for what it is, and I love the album, and the production fits that music quite well, but that same production would not translate well at all to DT's music. It does sound better than DT's last two albums overall, but it's flat metal production with no dynamics or clarity, and would sound horrid on a DT album. Apples to oranges.
I don't know why they ever stopped using Kevin Shirley, because none of their albums since have sounded anywhere near as good.
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^Agreed. I like the album. I like the songs but the drum sounds are very drum machine'ish sounding and lacking dynamics and
seperation.
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I don't know why they ever stopped using Kevin Shirley, because none of their albums since have sounded anywhere near as good.
Really makes me wonder as well. Maybe MP wanted a more metal sound for the band and thought that Kevin Shirley was not the person for that?
Honestly all the Kevin Shirley mixed albums are probably the best sounding ones.
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I don't know why they ever stopped using Kevin Shirley, because none of their albums since have sounded anywhere near as good.
Really makes me wonder as well. Maybe MP wanted a more metal sound for the band and thought that Kevin Shirley was not the person for that?
Honestly all the Kevin Shirley mixed albums are probably the best sounding ones.
I can't see that being the reason, as SDOIT and especially ToT were pretty ballsy sounding. And the first album they did after their last one with Shirley was Octavarium, which is a pretty tame mix. Maybe it's a matter of scheduling?
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I don't know why they ever stopped using Kevin Shirley, because none of their albums since have sounded anywhere near as good.
Really makes me wonder as well. Maybe MP wanted a more metal sound for the band and thought that Kevin Shirley was not the person for that?
Honestly all the Kevin Shirley mixed albums are probably the best sounding ones.
Totally agree! Falling into Infinity-Train of Thought have some of their best production. Of course, some of SFAM was also mixed by David Bottril, who also did a really great job. If he could do a job on par with this work, I would accept him mixing too.
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Scenes was part Bottril, part Shirley. The Shirley parts sound better.
Shirley *gets* DT, I think. He knows the direction the band need to go sonically, to sound modern while still appealing to classic rock and metal fans. In that sense, I think the post-Shirley albums have been a bit too ambitious, with these absolutely huge wall-of-sound guitars that suit bands like Trivium but really do not do justice to the more intricate DT sound.
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I don't know why they ever stopped using Kevin Shirley, because none of their albums since have sounded anywhere near as good.
Really makes me wonder as well. Maybe MP wanted a more metal sound for the band and thought that Kevin Shirley was not the person for that?
Honestly all the Kevin Shirley mixed albums are probably the best sounding ones.
I can't see that being the reason, as SDOIT and especially ToT were pretty ballsy sounding. And the first album they did after their last one with Shirley was Octavarium, which is a pretty tame mix. Maybe it's a matter of scheduling?
Yeah i forgot that ToT was mixed by Kevin Shirley, so it could be a matter of scheduling or just DT wanting to try something new in the sound department.
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ToT, while not great sounding, does have a pretty good mix.
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Scenes was part Bottril, part Shirley. The Shirley parts sound better.
Shirley *gets* DT, I think. He knows the direction the band need to go sonically, to sound modern while still appealing to classic rock and metal fans. In that sense, I think the post-Shirley albums have been a bit too ambitious, with these absolutely huge wall-of-sound guitars that suit bands like Trivium but really do not do justice to the more intricate DT sound.
Yes indeed. JP needs to allow more room in the sonic mix for the other instruments.
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Scenes was part Bottril, part Shirley. The Shirley parts sound better.
I disagree. I prefer the Bottril mixes of those songs. Especially since Bottril didn't forget to include any parts.
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Scenes was part Bottril, part Shirley. The Shirley parts sound better.
I disagree. I prefer the Bottril mixes of those songs. Especially since Bottril didn't forget to include any parts.
Shirley didn't "forget" anything, he chose to mix certain parts out/differently, with the approval of the band.
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Scenes was part Bottril, part Shirley. The Shirley parts sound better.
I disagree. I prefer the Bottril mixes of those songs. Especially since Bottril didn't forget to include any parts.
Shirley didn't "forget" anything, he chose to mix certain parts out/differently, with the approval of the band.
Is the Bottril mix the alternate mix from the making of SFAM? If so... I prefer it.
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Scenes was part Bottril, part Shirley. The Shirley parts sound better.
I disagree. I prefer the Bottril mixes of those songs. Especially since Bottril didn't forget to include any parts.
Shirley didn't "forget" anything, he chose to mix certain parts out/differently, with the approval of the band.
Is the Bottril mix the alternate mix from the making of SFAM? If so... I prefer it.
Yeah, they're the entire original Bottril mix. The final album is a mixture of Bottril / Shirley. I do prefer the Bottril mix of Overture 1928, although I don't recall preferring any of the rest. I'm actually listening to it again right now.
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I actually thought the sound was the only good thing about S & A.
WORD.
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Scenes was part Bottril, part Shirley. The Shirley parts sound better.
I disagree. I prefer the Bottril mixes of those songs. Especially since Bottril didn't forget to include any parts.
Shirley didn't "forget" anything, he chose to mix certain parts out/differently, with the approval of the band.
No, there's an entire keyboard part that was left entirely out of the mix. When I get a chance, I'll see if I can dig up the link to him talking about it not being intentional.
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I can't wait.
I just feel giddy knowing I could come home from school and find a single from the new album released (unlikely, but possible)
The day that OTBOA was to be released on YouTube, which was a weekend I think, I woke up at the time it was said to be posted just to listen to it. :lol
I was at Disneyland when it was released, and I made my group stop and wait cause I wanted to listen to it on my phone. They aren't familiar with DT, so when I said I have to listen to a song real quick, they were like "Sure, no problem".. they didn't realize it was 9 mins long. It didn't occur to me to get into a line first, and listen while we were waiting. :rollin
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I can't wait.
I just feel giddy knowing I could come home from school and find a single from the new album released (unlikely, but possible)
The day that OTBOA was to be released on YouTube, which was a weekend I think, I woke up at the time it was said to be posted just to listen to it. :lol
I was at Disneyland when it was released, and I made my group stop and wait cause I wanted to listen to it on my phone. They aren't familiar with DT, so when I said I have to listen to a song real quick, they were like "Sure, no problem".. they didn't realize it was 9 mins long. It didn't occur to me to get into a line first, and listen while we were waiting. :rollin
I was making passionate love to my girlfriend at the time of the release and I just left her hanging out to dry :neverusethis: and listened to the song...
Nah, that didn't actually happen, but one would need that type of story to top yours. :lol
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I can't wait.
I just feel giddy knowing I could come home from school and find a single from the new album released (unlikely, but possible)
The day that OTBOA was to be released on YouTube, which was a weekend I think, I woke up at the time it was said to be posted just to listen to it. :lol
I was at Disneyland when it was released, and I made my group stop and wait cause I wanted to listen to it on my phone. They aren't familiar with DT, so when I said I have to listen to a song real quick, they were like "Sure, no problem".. they didn't realize it was 9 mins long. It didn't occur to me to get into a line first, and listen while we were waiting. :rollin
I was making passionate love to my girlfriend at the time of the release and I just left her hanging out to dry :neverusethis: and listened to the song...
Nah, that didn't actually happen, but one would need that type of story to top yours. :lol
:neverusethis:
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Scenes was part Bottril, part Shirley. The Shirley parts sound better.
I disagree. I prefer the Bottril mixes of those songs. Especially since Bottril didn't forget to include any parts.
Shirley didn't "forget" anything, he chose to mix certain parts out/differently, with the approval of the band.
No, there's an entire keyboard part that was left entirely out of the mix. When I get a chance, I'll see if I can dig up the link to him talking about it not being intentional.
Cool, I'd like to see that. I know there's also discussion about the mixes on the Metropolis 2000 commentary, iirc? I know there's the keyboard arpeggio in Fatal Tragedy over the choir that was left out, and I remember hearing that Kevin Shirley suggested they take it out, with JR still playing it live. Is that the same keyboard bit you're referring to?
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Scenes was part Bottril, part Shirley. The Shirley parts sound better.
I disagree. I prefer the Bottril mixes of those songs. Especially since Bottril didn't forget to include any parts.
Shirley didn't "forget" anything, he chose to mix certain parts out/differently, with the approval of the band.
No, there's an entire keyboard part that was left entirely out of the mix. When I get a chance, I'll see if I can dig up the link to him talking about it not being intentional.
Cool, I'd like to see that. I know there's also discussion about the mixes on the Metropolis 2000 commentary, iirc? I know there's the keyboard arpeggio in Fatal Tragedy over the choir that was left out, and I remember hearing that Kevin Shirley suggested they take it out, with JR still playing it live. Is that the same keyboard bit you're referring to?
Now that we're talking about that, I remember they said MP's backing vocs for one entire song on LSFNY (I think it was SDV) were left out but I don't think they clarified whether it was accidental.
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Scenes was part Bottril, part Shirley. The Shirley parts sound better.
I disagree. I prefer the Bottril mixes of those songs. Especially since Bottril didn't forget to include any parts.
Shirley didn't "forget" anything, he chose to mix certain parts out/differently, with the approval of the band.
No, there's an entire keyboard part that was left entirely out of the mix. When I get a chance, I'll see if I can dig up the link to him talking about it not being intentional.
Cool, I'd like to see that. I know there's also discussion about the mixes on the Metropolis 2000 commentary, iirc? I know there's the keyboard arpeggio in Fatal Tragedy over the choir that was left out, and I remember hearing that Kevin Shirley suggested they take it out, with JR still playing it live. Is that the same keyboard bit you're referring to?
Now that we're talking about that, I remember they said MP's backing vocs for one entire song on LSFNY (I think it was SDV) were left out but I don't think they clarified whether it was accidental.
I remember the bit you mean. It's been a while since I've watched it, but I got the impression it wasn't intentional. There were also some bits of MP saying stuff over the mic that got mixed in that he said were unintentionally left in (I'm thinking that was the bit in Home before the keyboard solo?).
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Maybe I haven't been active enough on the DT-side for too long, but am I the only one who loves the sound on ADTOE?
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No i don't have any particular problem with the ADTOE mix other than yes the drums may be a bit too low.
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I think everything after A Change of Seasons sounds fine.
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Maybe I haven't been active enough on the DT-side for too long, but am I the only one who loves the sound on ADTOE?
I don't either, but everybody say it's bad, and I know nothing about mixing and little about how an album should sound to be "objectively" good. So maybe my ears aren't just calibrated on the objective good. :huh:
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I like the production and mix of ADTOE. The drums could sound better and louder, and it'd be nice to be able to hear the bass in BMUBMD, but overall it sounds decent and certainly better than BC&SL to my ears.
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ADToE is quite muddy to me and aside from the clipping - has possibly worse sound than SC.
Which is a shame since up til SC I always associated DT with great sounding albums.
Octavarium is my favourite sounding DT album btw..
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I think that I'm one of the people that doesn't really care about the production all that much. The only album where the sound is a little grating is WDADU. I never really understand it when people go complaining about intricate sound details, all DT albums sound pretty much fine to me. Then again, I've accepted that I'm in a minority there, but oh well.
And no matter the production, Octavarium would never a good album for me.
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I've gotten more picky with production ever sine I got a good pair of quality headphones ;D
It's a bit annoying actually.
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Personally, my problem with ADTOE's sound stems from the overdriven guitar sound that Petrucci used. It just sounds so muddled and drowned. Compare it to his sound on songs like The Mirror.
I've gotten more picky with production ever sine I got a good pair of quality headphones ;D
It's a bit annoying actually.
I've gotten more picky with production ever since I joined this forum. ;D
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Personally, my problem with ADTOE's sound stems from the overdriven guitar sound that Petrucci used. It just sounds so muddled and drowned. Compare it to his sound on songs like The Mirror.
That exactly is my main problem with Train Of Thought. Never had any problems with ADTOE's sound though.
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Scenes was part Bottril, part Shirley. The Shirley parts sound better.
I disagree. I prefer the Bottril mixes of those songs. Especially since Bottril didn't forget to include any parts.
Shirley didn't "forget" anything, he chose to mix certain parts out/differently, with the approval of the band.
No, there's an entire keyboard part that was left entirely out of the mix. When I get a chance, I'll see if I can dig up the link to him talking about it not being intentional.
Cool, I'd like to see that. I know there's also discussion about the mixes on the Metropolis 2000 commentary, iirc? I know there's the keyboard arpeggio in Fatal Tragedy over the choir that was left out, and I remember hearing that Kevin Shirley suggested they take it out, with JR still playing it live. Is that the same keyboard bit you're referring to?
For some reason, I'm drawing a blank on where it is. I'll have to re-listen to the Bottril mixes.
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Maybe I haven't been active enough on the DT-side for too long, but am I the only one who loves the sound on ADTOE?
I don't either, but everybody say it's bad, and I know nothing about mixing and little about how an album should sound to be "objectively" good. So maybe my ears aren't just calibrated on the objective good. :huh:
Don't be snared in the "objectively good" trap. Most complaints are a matter of personal taste. For example, I can hear the drums perfectly fine, so if people would prefer them louder, that's one thing, but it's not a case of right or wrong.
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Don't be snared in the "objectively good" trap. Most complaints are a matter of personal taste. For example, I can hear the drums perfectly fine, so if people would prefer them louder, that's one thing, but it's not a case of right or wrong.
:rollin
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Glad someone picked up on that. :biggrin:
My point was serious though.
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Maybe I haven't been active enough on the DT-side for too long, but am I the only one who loves the sound on ADTOE?
I don't either, but everybody say it's bad, and I know nothing about mixing and little about how an album should sound to be "objectively" good. So maybe my ears aren't just calibrated on the objective good. :huh:
Don't be snared in the "objectively good" trap. Most complaints are a matter of personal taste. For example, I can hear the drums perfectly fine, so if people would prefer them louder, that's one thing, but it's not a case of right or wrong.
There's three main issues (at least to my hearing) with ADTOE, and I think most of us will agree at least on a) and c).
a) The drums are too low, but the drums when MP was in the band, where always mixed higher. We were used to this louder drum sound so it was kind of a big deal when ADTOE was released.
b) The drums again, are maybe too low since Mangini's cymbal work is barely listenable. There's a lot of small nuances that got lost in the low mix (or low cymbal volume when mixing).
c) The guitar sounds very thin. If you listen it to the massive sound on Black Clouds and then listen to ADTOE, you will definitely hear that the "guitar power" got lost somewhere. The ADTOE guitar sounds like there was a blanket on the speakers.
Other than that, I was pretty pleased with the overall sound of the record. You can hear Myung which was nice for a change, the vocals are very warm and crisp, and JR's work is pretty good as well.
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There's three main issues (at least to my hearing) with ADTOE, and I think most of us will agree at least on a) and c).
a) The drums are too low, but the drums when MP was in the band, where always mixed higher. We were used to this louder drum sound so it was kind of a big deal when ADTOE was released.
b) The drums again, are maybe too low since Mangini's cymbal work is barely listenable. There's a lot of small nuances that got lost in the low mix (or low cymbal volume when mixing).
c) The guitar sounds very thin. If you listen it to the massive sound on Black Clouds and then listen to ADTOE, you will definitely hear that the "guitar power" got lost somewhere. The ADTOE guitar sounds like there was a blanket on the speakers.
Other than that, I was pretty pleased with the overall sound of the record. You can hear Myung which was nice for a change, the vocals are very warm and crisp, and JR's work is pretty good as well.
I definitely agree on C, mostly with the actual overdriven guitar though. Like, the clean, more acoustic sound that he used at the beginning of OTBOA and TITL sounds just fine. But yeah, when it's in 'Metal' mode, it sounded muffled.
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Ah, by the way, Eren Basbug sends his regards :bolton: :xbones
Seriously, I spent some time talking with him yesterday, and of course I X-rayed him with question he woldn't answer. He only said that the music is very good and that he is quite positive that everyone will like it.
AAAnd, he's a huge fan of our PLS COAM 2 INDONESIA jokes :D
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KEIV MONRE AND MIKE PORNEY DURM GODS........ KONSERT SOON............DT
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KEIV MONRE AND MIKE PORNEY DURM GODS........ KONSERT SOON............DT
INDONESIA?
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ERN BASSBURG NEW BASSIST....DT...............WE WAIT FOR KONSERT.........ALWAYS
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All this talk made me want to relisten to the bootleg of their first coming to Indonesia, last year. Now, THAT was a great crowd :metal
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I love watching video boots of that gig, the two giant screens on the sides of the stage look insanely cool.
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Maybe I haven't been active enough on the DT-side for too long, but am I the only one who loves the sound on ADTOE?
No, I do as well. I mean, I'm not happy that a lot of the drum/percussion is lower in the mix. But they sacrificed the drum/percussion sound a bit for other things, and I think it's a great overall sound.
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I think the vocal approach on the album was quite poppy, in terms of mix. Vocals are super on the front, and there are double trackings everywhere. I don't think that's bad, but it's definitely something different for DT, considering most prog metal mixes are more instrument-oriented per se.
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Maybe I haven't been active enough on the DT-side for too long, but am I the only one who loves the sound on ADTOE?
No, I do as well. I mean, I'm not happy that a lot of the drum/percussion is lower in the mix. But they sacrificed the drum/percussion sound a bit for other things, and I think it's a great overall sound.
I'm in the same boat as you two. ADTOE was a fresh sounding album to me, more so coming after BCSL, partially because the drums were mixed lower and you could pick out the Bass lines more easily. If you listen to the DT albums sequentially the drums progressively get louder and more in front of the mix starting with SFAM. There is a lot of bass work that was completely overshadowed on BCSL in particular because of the overbearing rhythm of the drums.
Like any other form of art, what sounds good to one person is completely subjective though and varies widely from person to person...considering the high level of analysation of the music in the DT fanbase these arguments over the minutia of sound mixing and sound production aren't surprising. :D
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Scenes was part Bottril, part Shirley. The Shirley parts sound better.
I disagree. I prefer the Bottril mixes of those songs. Especially since Bottril didn't forget to include any parts.
Shirley didn't "forget" anything, he chose to mix certain parts out/differently, with the approval of the band.
No, there's an entire keyboard part that was left entirely out of the mix. When I get a chance, I'll see if I can dig up the link to him talking about it not being intentional.
Cool, I'd like to see that. I know there's also discussion about the mixes on the Metropolis 2000 commentary, iirc? I know there's the keyboard arpeggio in Fatal Tragedy over the choir that was left out, and I remember hearing that Kevin Shirley suggested they take it out, with JR still playing it live. Is that the same keyboard bit you're referring to?
For some reason, I'm drawing a blank on where it is. I'll have to re-listen to the Bottril mixes.
I just gave the entire thing a re-listen, and the only major part missing from the final mixes is the bit I was thinking of, in Fatal Tragedy leading into the chorus. There's a big synth lead that was taken out. That's the one I recall them discussing on the M2000 commentary.
Other than Overture 1928, the final mix of the album (I assume all of the changes from the "making of" to the final mix were Shirley?) is definitely better. Removing that keyboard lead in FT was the right call, and the original mix of Home is just mud. The other changes are more minor, but I prefer the final mix in every case. Some of those could also be because I'm so used to the final version though!
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I still think Six Degrees is sonically they're best sounding album. TGP and Blind Faith especially. I wasn't a fan of how ADOTE sounded
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SDOIT and FII are the best DT album mixes for very different reasons.
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I do agree with many of the points made. The guitar sounds somewhat muddy, which is a shame because from what I could tell, the tone is amazing, similarly to the guitar sound on BC&SL. I like that the keyboards and bass are more listenable, but the drums should be a little more clear, particularly the cymbals.
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Maybe I haven't been active enough on the DT-side for too long, but am I the only one who loves the sound on ADTOE?
Heck no! I think it sounds MUCH warmer than SC or BC/SL.
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I've gotten more picky with production ever sine I got a good pair of quality headphones ;D
It's a bit annoying actually.
I know exactly what you mean. With bad headphones all albums sound similar, but good headphones make well produced albums shine.
I too think that ADTOE is a bit too muddy. I'm more picky than I was for BCASL and SC because ADTOE is a better album and I would like it to sound perfect.
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Heck no! I think it sounds MUCH warmer than SC or BC/SL.
Warmer isn't always better though. It depends on the kinds of songs. I mean, that warm sound suited SFAM very much. But albums like Awake and SC, because they're more minor and darker in tone, definitely benefit from a colder sound.
Frankly, though, I think all DT albums sound great. One thing I really dislike is just badly recorded and unpolished albums. Like, I can't even listen to Sex Pistols albums. But if an album has like, bass or drums mixed too low, or something, I'm not gonna cry too much about it.
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Yeah I find punk albums like NOFX or something unlistenable because of the non existant production values.
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Heck no! I think it sounds MUCH warmer than SC or BC/SL.
Warmer isn't always better though. It depends on the kinds of songs. I mean, that warm sound suited SFAM very much. But albums like Awake and SC, because they're more minor and darker in tone, definitely benefit from a colder sound.
Frankly, though, I think all DT albums sound great. One thing I really dislike is just badly recorded and unpolished albums. Like, I can't even listen to Sex Pistols albums. But if an album has like, bass or drums mixed too low, or something, I'm not gonna cry too much about it.
While I get exactly what you're saying, I think I used the wrong terminology in my post. I think I meant to say "compressed". :facepalm:
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/936944_10151382097157181_1263045730_n.jpg)
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Haha. The lyrics are miked up.
" I don't like the toooooone - try rolling off 4db of 2k on the lyrics. "
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Quick, somebody apply the DTF filter to the paper board on the left :omg:
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You mean the CSI filter? :D
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Quick, somebody apply the DTF filter to the paper board on the left :omg:
Yep, still just a bunch of crap. You can sharpen that all you want, and it's still gonna be a big blurry blue balling board. :lol
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/nope.jpg~original)
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Awwwww. :-\
Anyone else think we're pretty close to a single anyways?
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Dunno, if they're looking at late summer/September sort of time for an album release then it seems rather early at the moment.
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OTBOA was released on June 29, and IIRC album title and tracklisting were made public in the first week of June. I'm not saying that it's likely for that to happen again, as the outbound flow of informations seems to have slowed down since then, but who knows :D
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Awwwww. :-\
Anyone else think we're pretty close to a single anyways?
Hate to disappoint ya, but that will take two more months at least :D
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Awwwww. :-\
Anyone else think we're pretty close to a single anyways?
No way, as far as I know they are still recording.
EDIT: fuck, too slow
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As far as I know vocals are the only thing left. Then mixing, mastering, etc.
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As far as I know vocals are the only thing left. Then mixing, mastering, etc.
Jordan is still tracking keys and JP mentioned they still have one more month booked at the studio. So it's going to be a while before we get a new single. It's more feasible that we might get a new LIVE single from the Luna Park DVD soon.
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As far as I know vocals are the only thing left. Then mixing, mastering, etc.
Jordan is still tracking keys and JP mentioned they still have one more month booked at the studio. So it's going to be a while before we get a new single. It's more feasible that we might get a new LIVE single from the Luna Park DVD soon.
That would be a smart move. Release one or two songs from the Luna Park album while fans wait for both the whole live album and the new studio album.
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I hope they have some b-sides for the singles this time, they haven't had any since Wither.
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Release one or two songs from the Luna Park album while fans wait for both the whole live album and the new studio album.
This
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Release one or two songs from the Luna Park album while fans wait for both the whole live album and the new studio album.
This
yes right away please. *trying to hold back eagerness* right a-freaking-way :dangerwillrobinson:
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https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/332550493882695681/photo/1
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJ106YoCQAE64Go.jpg:large)
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Why does John Myung look like he's glowing?
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Why does John Myung look like he's glowing?
Take a look at your username and you know why :D
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Why does John Myung look like he's glowing?
Take a look at your username :D
Ninjas glow? What's next, vampires sparkling? :P
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Black clouds over Manhattan. It's gonna be a heavy album :o
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Why does John Myung look like he's glowing?
Because of the bad attempt at "HDR".
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MM: "Look at my biceps!! They are at least 2x bigger than JP's!" :D
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OMG that looks f'ing awesome. reminds me a lot of Lie. Look at how awesome LaBrie looks. AUFUHGH they look so cool
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It's for the album booklet, I assume? They wouldn't be working on a music video just yet, would they?
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It's for the album booklet, I assume? They wouldn't be working on a music video just yet, would they?
I was thinking promo shoot.
If it is album booklet, Great background.
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Black clouds over Manhattan. It's gonna be a heavy album :o
I hope it's not a sequel to BC&SL.
Black Clouds Pt 2: Manhattan Project
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I was thinking more along the lines of:
Scenes from the Pit: Zydar's Manhattan office
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I was thinking more along the lines of:
Scenes from the Pit: Zydar's Manhattan office
They would have to bring back the sexytime samples from Home then.
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Why does John Myung look like he's glowing?
Because of the bad attempt at "HDR".
Really? Nice eyes, man! They tried to do HDR on a photo of the high quality photo?
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Not the best place for a photo......seems kinda bleak, innit?
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It's more metul. :metal
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJ106YoCQAE64Go.jpg:large)
Why does John Myung look like he's glowing?
Now that you mention it, they all look like they have some kind of "aura" around them. It's especially obvious against the black pavement behind them.
Because of the bad attempt at "HDR".
What is "HDR"?
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Awwwww. :-\
Anyone else think we're pretty close to a single anyways?
To be honest, I really don't see the point of a single. It will not get played on the radio. Not to mention, I would rather they not intentionally write a single - ever. Seems a waste of time, a relic from a bygone era, that is still only a viable thing for kiddie pop and atrocious modern dance music.
That said, it would be awesome if they had a hit single.
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MM is looking kind of funny, and James looks amazing with this length of hair. I think he might have awaken some gay feelings inside me :lol :lol :lol
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James looks as cool as he's ever looked.
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It's clearly some sort of magical power of them. Matter of fact, the camera operator has no visible aura.
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Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet :mora:
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Hey, you can be more vocal about James :D
Also, how frightening is JP there? Seriously, this one is really a frightening still. :omg:
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Why is JLB ginger?
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Hey, you can be more vocal about James :D
Everyone's expecting that, so I won't :D
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Awwwww. :-\
Anyone else think we're pretty close to a single anyways?
To be honest, I really don't see the point of a single. It will not get played on the radio. Not to mention, I would rather they not intentionally write a single - ever. Seems a waste of time, a relic from a bygone era, that is still only a viable thing for kiddie pop and atrocious modern dance music.
That said, it would be awesome if they had a hit single.
To be fair, I think when most people talk about them releasing a 'single', they just mean a song from the album being officially released online prior to the release of the album, and not a radio single. Like how On the Backs of Angels was released before ADToE.
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Singles aren't just for radio. They are also to generate interest in the next album. I sure don't want to wait all the way to Sept. to hear new material.
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Awwwww. :-\
Anyone else think we're pretty close to a single anyways?
To be honest, I really don't see the point of a single. It will not get played on the radio. Not to mention, I would rather they not intentionally write a single - ever. Seems a waste of time, a relic from a bygone era, that is still only a viable thing for kiddie pop and atrocious modern dance music.
That said, it would be awesome if they had a hit single.
I don't care if it's played on the radio (though Ozzy's Boneyard and Octane on Sirius XM would almost undoubtedly play it anyways), I just want something to chew on other than facts. Even the smallest snippet of a song would give me something to taste.
And of course, when the album comes out, I'll scarf it down.
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Singles aren't just for radio. They are also to generate interest in the next album. I sure don't want to wait all the way to Sept. to hear new material.
Just think how much interest a single would generate if it was included on a CD along with the Live DVD. Just one more reason to buy the DVD. Since the DVD is coming out so late, why not? Even better, make it a video bonus. That might also explain the DVD delay. Hmmm.....
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^but from the last OTE update, the dvd appears to be finished, while DT still have studio work to do. they wouldnt hold off this long just to add the single to the dvd, thats like another month plus manufacturing time...as cool an idea as it is, i really hope not.
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James looks as cool as he's ever looked.
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Man, James looks fantastic, reminds me his style of Awake era a bit. If you dye your hair black we all be pleased.
Edit: edit. :biggrin:
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Man, James looks fantastic, reminds me his style of Awake era a bit. If you dye your hair black we all be pleased.
FTFY?
EDIT: Portnoy just posted this: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942426_596074963743483_794833028_n.jpg
What's with the glowy high pass effect in this one too? Is this gonna be a thing now?
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Man, James looks fantastic, reminds me his style of Awake era a bit. If you dye your hair black we all be pleased.
FTFY?
EDIT: Portnoy just posted this: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942426_596074963743483_794833028_n.jpg
What's with the glowy high pass effect in this one too? Is this gonna be a thing now?
Metropolis Pt. 3: Reflections During the Sun's Reign
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Man, James looks fantastic, reminds me his style of Awake era a bit. If you dye your hair black we all be pleased.
FTFY?
EDIT: Portnoy just posted this: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942426_596074963743483_794833028_n.jpg
What's with the glowy high pass effect in this one too? Is this gonna be a thing now?
It's HDR, High Dynamic Range, from a shitty filter on a smartphone. See https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyHDR for more examples.
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James looks as cool as he's ever looked.
Not to piss on your feelings towards JLB but he looks like Dave Mustain :facepalm:
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Why is JLB ginger?
Because he is naturally a redhead ?
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Why does John Myung look like he's glowing?
Take a look at your username :D
Ninjas glow? What's next, vampires sparkling? :P
:lol
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It's HDR, High Dynamic Range, from a shitty filter on a smartphone. See https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyHDR for more examples.
My point is, is this gonna be like, the popular thing to do now?
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Damn! Labrie looks Kinda Hot and Dangerous <3
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That photo is so epic that it needs to be reposted on this page:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJ106YoCQAE64Go.jpg:large)
It's more metul. :metal
But not too wanna-be metul like the BC&SL promo pics.
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Ville, you are the awesome. :hefdaddy
And so is James. Holy WOWZA. :eek :biggrin: :heart
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MM looks like an Italian gangster.
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:rollin
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Ville, you are the awesome. :hefdaddy
Thanks... :blush Not as awesome as cyberdrummer because he posted it originally :D
MM looks like an Italian gangster.
You know, he was welcomed into the family :neverusethis:
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Well, you're awesome for reposting it on this page.
But yeah - kudos to cyber, too! :hefdaddy
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Why is JLB ginger?
Because he is naturally a redhead ?
Not to rain on your parade, but his hair here is light brown and it's the photo that's too red :biggrin:
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I love how they are dressed normally!
I hope that the final photos would look as much natural as possible!
Not like BC&SL Goth-Heavy-Crap
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I love how they are dressed normally!
I hope that the final photos would look as much natural as possible!
Not like BC&SL Goth-Heavy-Crap
Ugh, none of them really look any different. It's just them wearing their regular clothes and standing there expressionless, just like every photo shoot, including BCASL. There was nothing remotely goth about any of their photo shoots, unless Photoshopping in a cloudy sky is goth.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/BCASL4.jpg)
SO METUHL. WHAT A HUGE DEPARTURE THEIR NEW PHOTOSHOOT IS!
Or maybe you also mean the SC photo shoot?
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/DREA_27.jpg)
So glad they're over that phase of wearing clothes and standing there.
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MM looks like an Italian gangster.
Not an Italian gangster. An Italian showman!
(one you may know because of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK-c215rYqk)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JOJNkTulT0k/0.jpg)
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I love how they are dressed normally!
I hope that the final photos would look as much natural as possible!
Not like BC&SL Goth-Heavy-Crap
Ugh, none of them really look any different. It's just them wearing their regular clothes and standing there expressionless, just like every photo shoot, including BCASL. There was nothing remotely goth about any of their photo shoots, unless Photoshopping in a cloudy sky is goth.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/BCASL4.jpg)
SO METUHL. WHAT A HUGE DEPARTURE THEIR NEW PHOTOSHOOT IS!
Or maybe you also mean the SC photo shoot?
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/DREA_27.jpg)
So glad they're over that phase of wearing clothes and standing there.
IMO the Sky and Clothes made it Goth :p
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Even though Black Clouds & Silver Linings is one of my least favorite Dream Theater albums, I actually think all the promo shots for that one were awesome. Like that image there one the sofa is really cool, far better than any Dramatic Turn of Events photo.
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IMO the Sky and Clothes made it Goth :p
The clothes were a little more metal, but I still wouldn't call that goth.
But anyway, my bitching aside, my point is that they've always done the regular photoshoots for images, even if there have been one or two a bit more towards the metal side, so I think you're making an unfair and inaccurate generalization of their past, especially based on seeing only one photo of them taking a photo (photoception!) for the new album.
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Jordan At The Board
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/268972_10151383193997181_1447579518_n.jpg)
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He looks kinda board.
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Zydar, don't be such a knob. He can't be zany all the time. Sometimes it's good to mix it up a bit.
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I'd love if the new promo photos would actually show them smiling for a change. The expressionless photos of albums past are just so depressing.
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Sometimes it's good to mix it up a bit.
:clap:
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Look at that expression on Jordan...it's like he's just fading away.
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Look at that expression on Jordan...it's like he's just fading away.
There's a song on his album "Listen" called Fade Away. Nuggetz!
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I'd love if the new promo photos would actually show them smiling for a change. The expressionless photos of albums past are just so depressing.
This seems to be the case for most bands, for some reason.
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(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/64819773/Dream+Theater+39080_1163956036223_1747553556.jpg)
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Seeing JM laughing brightened my life.
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^^ Nice. Nothing wrong with looking like you enjoy life.
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^^ Nice. Nothing wrong with looking like you enjoy life.
This. Metal bands(' record companies) could take a hint from pop star promos - you don't have to look dreary to seem hardcore.
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^^ Nice. Nothing wrong with looking like you enjoy life.
This. Prog bands(' record companies) could take a hint from pop star promos - you don't have to look dreary to seem prog.
FTFY.
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True, but it's not just them.
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Look at that expression on Jordan...it's like he's just fading away.
There's a song on his album "Listen" called Fade Away. Nuggetz!
Completely unintentional. Try again. :tup
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(https://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg)
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Personally, I don't smile in photos that often so I don't care whether the DT guys smile in the promo pics or not, but of course photos where they look happy could be a nice change.
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Black Clouds still takes the cake for worst DT promotional photography EVER.
The guys just totally don't seem themselves in those pictures. ADTOE was much better, and I'm fine with this as well.
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So much win on this page. :lol
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On a random note, during the 2011 live shows, during the Dream is Collapsing intro, did anyone notice that John Myung came out of the Korean Jungles?
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Why is JLB ginger?
Because he is naturally a redhead ?
He's looked more blonde than ginger for ages.
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Dye?
(https://dark-world.ru/files/bands/photos/Mullmuzzler/dw_fw0kt2u3.jpg)
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Of course it's dyed. How would it be possible to change hair color multiple times as he did if it wasn't?
(https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41r3tiLzqBL._SL290_.jpg)
(https://api.ning.com/files/YJJKArGjbe9Xd7ZB3gErJt76pbHU2aSGkAxjCh-wl8pIe9NC4uZksUdqT5ozaP6mmBYqm9ATvgGYC2xcBe*0Xw__/dream_theater.jpg)
(https://www.metal.it/note-photo.ashx?id=22261)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/71/Labire_arjen.jpg/250px-Labire_arjen.jpg)
(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/11268895/James+LaBrie+404.jpg)
(https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6129/5986785964_89d0577a14_z.jpg)
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I thought it was common knowledge that JLB's been dyeing his hair for longer than he's been in DT? MM also does it and MP did/does too, no big deal :)
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Yeah, I'm absolutely fine with it. As long as they are happy :tup
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I thought it was common knowledge that JLB's been dyeing his hair for longer than he's been in DT? MM also does it and MP did/does too, no big deal :)
Wait, you're telling me MP's beard isn't naturally blue? :omg:
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I thought it was common knowledge that JLB's been dyeing his hair for longer than he's been in DT? MM also does it and MP did/does too, no big deal :)
Wait, you're telling me MP's beard isn't naturally blue? :omg:
:lol
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He just has a very cold chin.
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I just figured his hair gets lighter when he's out in the sun more, and darker during the winter. A lot of people's hair does that.
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I just figured his hair gets lighter when he's out in the sun more, and darker during the winter. A lot of people's hair does that.
Yeah this happens to me as well, to the point where people ask me if i dyed my hair >:(
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I thought it was common knowledge that JLB's been dyeing his hair for longer than he's been in DT? MM also does it and MP did/does too, no big deal :)
Wait, you're telling me MP's beard isn't naturally blue? :omg:
Maybe he shaves with lead-foam? :D
That would cause a bluish hue to the skin and beard (I think?), but MADNESS AND DEATH TOO :2metal:
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I thought it was common knowledge that JLB's been dyeing his hair for longer than he's been in DT? MM also does it and MP did/does too, no big deal :)
I thought early on maybe not, but once he was in his late 30's it probably started going grey. You can definitely see some grey roots in the more recent years from time to time. Sometimes I think people actually mistake that for his hair receding more than it actually is. Probably a similar situation with the other guys, except hair will stay black longer. Anyway, who the hell cares, as long as they don't cut it!
lol I can imagine the guys reading this forum and see us, even the guys, talking about their hair :lol
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I have this gut feeling that James started dying his hair in 96 :D
AND, I really hope they are not reading these posts. We would creep them out of the galaxy :lol :lol
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I have this gut feeling that James started dying his hair in 96 :D
AND, I really hope they are not reading these posts. We would creep them out of the galaxy :lol :lol
No way man, his hair color changed several times since pre-Images, Images to Awake :biggrin:
we've talked of way creepier things than this :D
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When I went to a meet n greet for the SFAM tour James roots we gray.
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When I went to a meet n greet for the SFAM tour James roots we gray.
He had some gray hair back in '93, you can see it under the lights on the side of his head during some-or-other-ballad of LiT.
the I-am-not-actually-creepy-disclaimer: I just notice things when it comes to everything and I spend a lot of time with DVDs/CDs/photos/inties :mora:
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Son now we're discussing if they dye their hair :omg:
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Son now we're discussing if they dye their hair :omg:
We've established they do :lol
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When I went to a meet n greet for the SFAM tour James roots we gray.
He had some gray hair back in '93, you can see it under the lights on the side of his head during some-or-other-ballad of LiT.
the I-am-not-actually-creepy-disclaimer: I just notice things when it comes to everything and I spend a lot of time with DVDs/CDs/photos/inties :mora:
:lol Well it was so pronounced in person. Besides, live I look at his junk.
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When I went to a meet n greet for the SFAM tour James roots we gray.
He had some gray hair back in '93, you can see it under the lights on the side of his head during some-or-other-ballad of LiT.
the I-am-not-actually-creepy-disclaimer: I just notice things when it comes to everything and I spend a lot of time with DVDs/CDs/photos/inties :mora:
:lol Well it was so pronounced in person. Besides, live I look at his junk.
:lol thank you, I will savor that laugh you just gave me.
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It's rainin', rainin', on the streets of New York City
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the only thing I really don't get is this-
(https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a619/styxkyd/1yeardifference_zpsd1ab9b17.png) (https://s1286.photobucket.com/user/styxkyd/media/1yeardifference_zpsd1ab9b17.png.html)
literally one-year difference :o and actually same thing for '98 to '99
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That's very impressive for a man that just turned 50.
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Only one explanation.
MID LIFE CRISIS
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Goodness gracious, all of the James pics!!! :eek :biggrin: :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
The one year difference one is rather startling, but I'm impressed in the man's ability to grow hair. I am so not worthy. :hefdaddy
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oh come on guys you know they were extensions or plugs or something.. you just don't wanna admit it..
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:angry:
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:angry:
:lol sorry! XD
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I was just kidding- James's hair is not fake, he would never do that to you Debs!
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:lol
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Only one explanation.
MID LIFE CRISIS
He's perfect, yes, it's true.
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So, I wake up tomfind that the creepy hair discussion is still going on? Completely expected.
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That's a year, your hair can grow a lot more in that time, trust me :lol
Also a shout out to DT in case they may be reading this and shaking their heads at us:
WE DON'T CARE THAT YOU CUT OR DYE YOUR HAIR OR SHAVE YOUR HEAD OR HAVE AN EPIC BEARD OR NOT HAVE AN EPIC BEARD OR LOOK THE SAME AS YOU DID IN '92 OR HAVE 30 EXTRA POUNDS OF MUSCLES WE LOVE YOU OKAY
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Everybody is beautiful, and they certainly are! :D
Now that we have settled this, give us the fucking album already. biggrin:
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I love how they are dressed normally!
I hope that the final photos would look as much natural as possible!
Not like BC&SL Goth-Heavy-Crap
Ugh, none of them really look any different. It's just them wearing their regular clothes and standing there expressionless, just like every photo shoot, including BCASL. There was nothing remotely goth about any of their photo shoots, unless Photoshopping in a cloudy sky is goth.
PICTURE! (https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/BCASL4.jpg)
SO METUHL. WHAT A HUGE DEPARTURE THEIR NEW PHOTOSHOOT IS!
Or maybe you also mean the SC photo shoot?
PICTURE! (https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/DREA_27.jpg)
So glad they're over that phase of wearing clothes and standing there.
What I would say, and this applies very much to the BCSL shoot and not at all to the SC or ADToE ones, is that in the BCSL shoot they're standing in grey or black environments, wearing grey or black clothes, with grey or black expressions.
I'm sure this is, in part, due to the title of the album - as are the photoshopped clouds - but it does make it look a lot more "planned," it looks very deliberate, like they're aiming for a particular vibe, and I also agree that the faux-sinister thing doesn't quite come off. Funnily, they're doing the exact same thing in this photoshoot, except the sky's blue, and Mike Mangini's t-shirt is blue. Which must mean he's dead, or Ringo's an auton, or something. I think the teeny bit more colour and the shinier environment go a long way. That people still remember the BCSL pics is probably as much a comment about how different they genuinely did feel as it is a barbed jab at MP's leadership and vision. Same shit, different details, but with something as "stock" and generic as a band photo, those details to tend to go much further than they might elsewhere.
...and I do have a t-shirt and a hoodie with both of the BCSL promo pics on, so I'm not slagging them off!
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So, I wake up tomfind that the creepy hair discussion is still going on? Completely expected.
:biggrin:
Also a shout out to DT in case they may be reading this and shaking their heads at us:
WE DON'T CARE THAT YOU CUT OR DYE YOUR HAIR OR SHAVE YOUR HEAD OR HAVE AN EPIC BEARD OR NOT HAVE AN EPIC BEARD OR LOOK THE SAME AS YOU DID IN '92 OR HAVE 30 EXTRA POUNDS OF MUSCLES WE LOVE YOU OKAY
DEFINITELY GUYS WE LOVE YOU LOTS :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
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(https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6129/5986785964_89d0577a14_z.jpg)
Now that's bad-ass! JLB can dye his hair as much as he wants, but as long as he keeps the beard, they're fine. :biggrin:
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And by the way, I think people would hardly say that that young man out there in that pic is actually 48 (or was at the time the pic was taken).
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the only thing I really don't get is this-
(https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a619/styxkyd/1yeardifference_zpsd1ab9b17.png) (https://s1286.photobucket.com/user/styxkyd/media/1yeardifference_zpsd1ab9b17.png.html)
literally one-year difference :o and actually same thing for '98 to '99
I wish my hair grew as quickly :D
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(https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6129/5986785964_89d0577a14_z.jpg)
That is a beautiful picture :smiley:
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. ugh, dont mind me
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A tour of JR's keys in the studio :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-cTGbXf0w0&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-cTGbXf0w0&feature=youtu.be)
B.Lee
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(https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6129/5986785964_89d0577a14_z.jpg)
That is a beautiful picture :smiley:
Amen to that, bub. :hearts:
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A tour of JR's keys in the studio :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-cTGbXf0w0&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-cTGbXf0w0&feature=youtu.be)
B.Lee
Here's something to chew on, guys:
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2v8of9t.jpg)
If you can get a better picture of that moment: GET IT.
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Looks cool regardless. :tup
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Needs a CSI filter.
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Ah ha, so there will be keys on the album....
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Damn, DT should ditch their synth era already and start making good ol fashioned rawk. :metal
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:icy:
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Damn, DT should ditch their synth era already and start making good ol fashioned rawk. :metal
I'm just hoping there won't be too much "snarling pig" on this album. ADTOE didn't have very much, (or any that I can think of) and it was better for it.
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Did he use the snarling pig much on BCASL either? I know he used it a lot on SC. He needs to bring back more snarling pig! The heavy riffs sound fuller with the keyboard in there to add more layering, even when he's adding something else over the top such as strings. It's not something that's in your face, it just adds that little bit of texture and variety. I can't think of any time where it's been that upfront that anyone can complain about it.
Although I suppose there wasn't all that much heavy riffing to use it on ADTOE anyway.
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Did he use the snarling pig much on BCASL either? I know he used it a lot on SC. He needs to bring back more snarling pig! The heavy riffs sound fuller with the keyboard in there to add more layering, even when he's adding something else over the top such as strings. It's not something that's in your face, it just adds that little bit of texture and variety. I can't think of any time where it's been that upfront that anyone can complain about it.
Although I suppose there wasn't all that much heavy riffing to use it on ADTOE anyway.
There was quite a bit of it on Nightmare and Fortress. If you listen to the stems, it's there like crazy.
Personally, I like the pure sound of a guitar riff. The snarling pig effects changes the sound so much that it almost doesn't even sound like you're listening to an electric guitar sometimes. I used the stems and made a mix of Nightmare to Remember without the snarling pig, and it has such a purified rock sound without it, I love it.
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Did he use the snarling pig much on BCASL either? I know he used it a lot on SC. He needs to bring back more snarling pig! The heavy riffs sound fuller with the keyboard in there to add more layering, even when he's adding something else over the top such as strings. It's not something that's in your face, it just adds that little bit of texture and variety. I can't think of any time where it's been that upfront that anyone can complain about it.
Although I suppose there wasn't all that much heavy riffing to use it on ADTOE anyway.
Ιt was there on ANTR and TSF as far as i remember.
And i disagree with you, it sounds annoying (to me), if there is riffing i just like to hear the guitar, not a synth sound with modulation and stuff. It was like JR needed to play something on those parts and he only doubled the guitar just because he didn't feel like playing anything else.
I hope we don't hear the snarling pig again in a DT album.
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Did he use the snarling pig much on BCASL either? I know he used it a lot on SC. He needs to bring back more snarling pig! The heavy riffs sound fuller with the keyboard in there to add more layering, even when he's adding something else over the top such as strings. It's not something that's in your face, it just adds that little bit of texture and variety. I can't think of any time where it's been that upfront that anyone can complain about it.
Although I suppose there wasn't all that much heavy riffing to use it on ADTOE anyway.
There was quite a bit of it on Nightmare and Fortress. If you listen to the stems, it's there like crazy.
Personally, I like the pure sound of a guitar riff. The snarling pig effects changes the sound so much that it almost doesn't even sound like you're listening to an electric guitar sometimes. I used the stems and made a mix of Nightmare to Remember without the snarling pig, and it has such a purified rock sound without it, I love it.
Ah yes, I honestly couldn't remember the spots it was used on BCASL. Thanks.
Now that I'm listening back to it (I only skimmed the first half where I don't hear it), I can't imagine those sections without it. It's such a signature DT sound, that it's likely a big part of why the heavy parts of ADTOE sound so damn plain as muck and lacking in character to me (along with the completely unfinished sounding dry mix and low drums).
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Ah yes, I honestly couldn't remember the spots it was used on BCASL. Thanks.
Now that I'm listening back to it (I only skimmed the first half where I don't hear it), I can't imagine those sections without it. It's such a signature DT sound, that it's likely a big part of why the heavy parts of ADTOE sound so damn plain as muck and lacking in character to me (along with the completely unfinished sounding dry mix and low drums).
My opinion is just the complete opposite. I guss it is what people used to call "different taste" ;)
I just love the proggy side of DT more than the metal side...
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I just love the proggy side of DT more than the metal side...
They are always at their best when they balance those two elements. Just metal turns boring as it did with most of Black Clouds & Silver Linings and other songs of theirs as well. Just prog turns boring like all music from most other prog bands.
Dream Theater has never really had a problem with too little metal, but has certainly had problems with too much of it.
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I just love the proggy side of DT more than the metal side...
Dream Theater has never really had a problem with too little metal, but has certainly had problems with too much of it.
I second that.
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I just love the proggy side of DT more than the metal side...
They are always at their best when they balance those two elements. Just metal turns boring as it did with most of Black Clouds & Silver Linings and other songs of theirs as well. Just prog turns boring like all music from most other prog bands.
Dream Theater has never really had a problem with too little metal, but has certainly had problems with too much of it.
I disagree. BCASL's problems had little to do with the fact it was metal imo. A lot of its problem was bloat. The album of epics. Sounds like a prog problem to me. :lol
Personally, my least favourite longer DT songs are the ones that are too focused on being proggy, but without enough metal to balance it out, such as LTL, ACOS, BAI etc (I know they all have heavier stuff in them, but I find them too proggy and boring).
I'm not even much of a metal fan, I'm just more into DT's simpler side where they're focusing on melody, more concise structures (relatively speaking), and ballady stuff too. I feel that prog goes against that by its very nature. Their metal side doesn't.
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Well the reason I don't like Black Clouds & Silver Linings is strictly musical. I was really excited when I first heard it was going to be like four epics on there, but they just weren't any good because of all the heavy "bad-ass" metal stuff.
If The Count of Tuscany was only the intro and the last things after the second chorus it would have been awesome. But there's too much absolutely ridiculous metal stuff in between.
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Well the reason I don't like Black Clouds & Silver Linings is strictly musical. I was really excited when I first heard it was going to be like four epics on there, but they just weren't any good because of all the heavy "bad-ass" metal stuff.
Obviously the reason TBOT is bad has zero to do with being metal. And TSF's problem is mostly the fact it's rehashed with poor transitions.
It seems clear to me you're just not a metal metal fan though, so I'd say your opinion of the metal side is probably as biased as mine is with the prog.
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Well okay, The Best of Times is the exeption on that album. And I would have been more or less fine with the rehashed material in The Shattered Fortress if Portnoy hadn't felt the need to sound cool and heavy and didn't put those aweful heavy metal vocal lines really poor vocal melodies for LaBrie in there.
I'm a big fan of metal, especially the really heavy stuff. Of course it depends a bit on what you're thinking about when you say "metal metal".
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The Count of Tuscany was the masterpiece of the album. I would have taken that song alone as an EP and still be happy.
ANTR could have been half as long, too metuhl in my opinion
ARoP didn't really need to exist
TSF is part of 12 steps, so it's fine being metuhl like the others
Wither is okay
TBoT is also okay
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The Count of Tuscany was the masterpiece of the album. I would have taken that song alone as an EP and still be happy.
This is the best thing I have read so far today. :tup
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I just love the proggy side of DT more than the metal side...
They are always at their best when they balance those two elements. Just metal turns boring as it did with most of Black Clouds & Silver Linings and other songs of theirs as well. Just prog turns boring like all music from most other prog bands.
Dream Theater has never really had a problem with too little metal, but has certainly had problems with too much of it.
I disagree. BCASL's problems had little to do with the fact it was metal imo. A lot of its problem was bloat. The album of epics. Sounds like a prog problem to me. :lol
Personally, my least favourite longer DT songs are the ones that are too focused on being proggy, but without enough metal to balance it out, such as LTL, ACOS, BAI etc (I know they all have heavier stuff in them, but I find them too proggy and boring).
I'm not even much of a metal fan, I'm just more into DT's simpler side where they're focusing on melody, more concise structures (relatively speaking), and ballady stuff too. I feel that prog goes against that by its very nature. Their metal side doesn't.
Words can't describe what I have just read. All of your opinions are now invalid. Good day sir.
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DT do some metal well, but not all. When they stay more in the realm of Iron Maiden or Queensryche, I think they sound great. When they become "Dreamtallica", not so much.
Then again, Metallica suck, so even if JLB could sing like James Hetfield, and even if the rest of the band (especially Jordan) were good at thrashing around, it'd still be pretty lame :D
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DT do some metal well, but not all. When they stay more in the realm of Iron Maiden or Queensryche, I think they sound great. When they become "Dreamtallica", not so much.
Then again, Metallica suck, so even if JLB could sing like James Hetfield, and even if the rest of the band (especially Jordan) were good at thrashing around, it'd still be pretty lame :D
So what you're saying is "I don't like Metallica". DT's Metallica influence is a lot more deeply rooted than you probably realize, going all the way back to their first albums.
What's with all the anti-metal in this thread?
I just love the proggy side of DT more than the metal side...
They are always at their best when they balance those two elements. Just metal turns boring as it did with most of Black Clouds & Silver Linings and other songs of theirs as well. Just prog turns boring like all music from most other prog bands.
Dream Theater has never really had a problem with too little metal, but has certainly had problems with too much of it.
I disagree. BCASL's problems had little to do with the fact it was metal imo. A lot of its problem was bloat. The album of epics. Sounds like a prog problem to me. :lol
Personally, my least favourite longer DT songs are the ones that are too focused on being proggy, but without enough metal to balance it out, such as LTL, ACOS, BAI etc (I know they all have heavier stuff in them, but I find them too proggy and boring).
I'm not even much of a metal fan, I'm just more into DT's simpler side where they're focusing on melody, more concise structures (relatively speaking), and ballady stuff too. I feel that prog goes against that by its very nature. Their metal side doesn't.
Words can't describe what I have just read. All of your opinions are now invalid. Good day sir.
Um... ok? Sometimes I don't know why I bother taking the time to properly articulate an opinion when some people aren't even going to dignify it with a thoughtful response.
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Words can't describe what I have just read. All of your opinions are now invalid. Good day sir.
Wtf? :lol
I still really like BC&SL, and have no problem with DT's metal side or prog side. I think it's quite amusing that we're even still having that argument!
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ARoF didn't really need to exist
ARoF *doesn't* exist. ;)
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ARoF didn't really need to exist
ARoF *doesn't* exist. ;)
Sure it does! A Rite of Freemasons. Duh.
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ARoF didn't really need to exist
ARoF *doesn't* exist. ;)
Sure it does! A Rite of Freemasons. Duh.
ARoF is a snooty dog barking. Like Thurston Howell.
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Damn, DT should ditch their synth era already and start making good ol fashioned rawk. :metal
I'm just hoping there won't be too much "snarling pig" on this album. ADTOE didn't have very much, (or any that I can think of) and it was better for it.
I agree. I never liked that sound.
I like Black Clouds. It has a cool dark atmosphere that differs from Train of Thought and Awake in that it contrasts with brighter sections throughout the album. Black Clouds and Silver Linings is a fitting title. The problem is that certain songs are needlessly long and it goes a bit overboard with the metal quite often. The reason why I don't find myself listening to it all that often is really because I don't care to sit through those overly long sections. But when I do listen to it, I usually enjoy most of it regardless of the flaws. Unlike SC (which I sort of see as its counterpart), which is always a chore to listen to.
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ARoP didn't really need to exist
ARoF *doesn't* exist. ;)
Fixed.
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I never felt BC&SL to be too metal. The only time DT were too much (bland) metal for me was in SC, where we get Constant Motion and TDEN back to back - followed by the way to long Repentance and a silly Prophets of War :facepalm:
BC&SL sounds fine to me, only AROP should have been replaced by a better song.
But this discussion suites a general attitude of some people who want to downplay how metal DT always were and how much they were influenced by Metallica. There is some interview with JP where he says that DT was conceived as a crossover of Yes and Metallica, I wish I remembered which one it was.
EDIT: I don't mean to downplay the influence that Iron Maiden, Rush, King Crimson, Queen and possibly a lot of other bands had on DT. I just want remark how Metallica is sometimes dismissed by prog lovers and how people complain about DT becoming metal in recent years.
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I'm not anti-metal. I just can't stand the type of metal Metallica do.
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I'm not anti-metal. I just can't stand the type of metal Metallica do.
That's like saying you like The Fast and the Furious, but can't stand the bit with the cars.
I don't accept someone is a metal fan unless they respect the Metallica's music. It's like the most basic requirement to pass the metal test.
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What if someone loves Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Judas Priest, but dislikes Metallica?
:corn
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I'm not anti-metal. I just can't stand the type of metal Metallica do.
That's like saying you like The Fast and the Furious, but can't stand the bit with the cars.
I don't accept someone is a metal fan unless they respect the Metallica's music. It's like the most basic requirement to pass the metal test.
Not sure if serious. I didn't know there is a "metal test" to be passed. It's all a matter of taste you know...
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I don't accept someone is a metal fan unless they respect the Metallica's music. It's like the most basic requirement to pass the metal test.
Do you accept respecting their role and influence but not liking their music nor thinking they are a good band? Not that I would necessarily fall into said category.
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I'm not anti-metal. I just can't stand the type of metal Metallica do.
That's like saying you like The Fast and the Furious, but can't stand the bit with the cars.
I don't accept someone is a metal fan unless they respect the Metallica's music. It's like the most basic requirement to pass the metal test.
Not even close.
What if someone loves Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Judas Priest, but dislikes Metallica?
:corn
Haha, exactly! Metallica are not that important to metal. They are just the most famous metal band, as well as one that is very important to a particular subgenre of metal which I don't like at all.
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What if someone loves Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Judas Priest, but dislikes Metallica?
:corn
Haha, exactly! Metallica are not that important to metal. They are just the most famous metal band, as well as one that is very important to a particular subgenre of metal which I don't like at all.
No offense, but this is the most ignorant musical opinion in this entire thread so far, regardless of whether you like Metallica or not, especially considering the obvious influence on DT's music, including a lot of their highly regarded stuff. And I hate thrash as a subgenre as much as anybody else here.
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What if someone loves Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Judas Priest, but dislikes Metallica?
:corn
Haha, exactly! Metallica are not that important to metal. They are just the most famous metal band, as well as one that is very important to a particular subgenre of metal which I don't like at all.
Actually, I agree that Metallica are very important to metal, chronologically the most important band after Judas Priest IMO. I just wanted to point out a flaw in the proposed "metal test".
Metllica were not just some thrash metal band. The highly influenced all of metal that came after them, including progressive metal and DT.
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What if someone loves Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Judas Priest, but dislikes Metallica?
:corn
Haha, exactly! Metallica are not that important to metal. They are just the most famous metal band, as well as one that is very important to a particular subgenre of metal which I don't like at all.
No offense, but this is the most ignorant musical opinion in this entire thread so far, regardless of whether you like Metallica or not, especially considering the obvious influence on DT's music, including a lot of their highly regarded stuff. And I hate thrash as a subgenre as much as anybody else here.
No offense taken. I find your idea that everyone who likes metal should respect Metallica to be equally ignorant.
Sorry, but I don't like Metallica. I don't like their music, or the influence they had on metal. I don't like the DT songs which are obviously influenced by them.
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EDIT: I don't mean to downplay the influence that Iron Maiden, Rush, King Crimson, Queen and possibly a lot of other bands had on DT. I just want remark how Metallica is sometimes dismissed by prog lovers and how people complain about DT becoming metal in recent years.
It's not that they became metal in recent years, but the metal has cancelled out the prog in a lot of situations, and even vice versa. Think about Train Of Thought, there's very little prog in that. The way they present it is just different now. I think the Yes meets Metallica mentality is all over the first three albums, but I honestly don't really hear it very much after that.
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What if someone loves Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Judas Priest, but dislikes Metallica?
:corn
Haha, exactly! Metallica are not that important to metal. They are just the most famous metal band, as well as one that is very important to a particular subgenre of metal which I don't like at all.
Actually, I agree that Metallica are very important to metal, chronologically the most important band after Judas Priest IMO. I just wanted to point out a flaw in the proposed "metal test".
Metllica were not just some thrash metal band. The highly influenced all of metal that came after them, including progressive metal and DT.
By "not that important" I'm responding to Blobs notion that Metallica are as important to metal as cars are to Fast and Furious. I'm not saying they aren't important at all, but obviously Blob is exaggerating by acting like they deserved every metal fans respect. And tbh I really don't care much for the type of metal that came after Metallica. I just don't.
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So you don't care about prog metal? How Metallica's concept albums with time signature changes and lengthy multi-section songs pioneered (in metal) many of the things DT are known and praised for?
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By "not that important" I'm responding to Blobs notion that Metallica are as important to metal as cars are to Fast and Furious. I'm not saying they aren't important at all, but obviously Blob is exaggerating by acting like they deserved every metal fans respect. And tbh I really don't care much for the type of metal that came after Metallica. I just don't.
I don't know how to talk to you.
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BCASL's problems had little to do with the fact it was metal imo. A lot of its problem was bloat. The album of epics.
I can agree with that to a point - I happen to think that the bloat WAS its problem, not that it was either "too metal" or "too long/prog". TSF could stand a MAJOR rework, TBOT should've stayed between MP and his dad, and TCOT is WAY overrated (I do admit that I really like Jordan's nod to Frank Zappa in the intro, though). ANTR goes on for about a minute or two too long, and while I don't have a problem with it (since I'm about the only one here who still likes the song, apparently) the Bebot solo really sounds out of place in AROP. Wither is about the best song on the album.
As always... your mileage may vary and the above opinions are SOLELY mine.
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So you don't care about prog metal? How Metallica's concept albums with time signature changes and lengthy multi-section songs pioneered (in metal) many of the things DT are known and praised for?
Nope, don't care.
Aside from DT, I really don't care for much prog metal anyway.
And any way, it's the prog and melodic metal influenced stuff I like best. Stuff like Train of Thought or the heavier songs on the more recent albums are OK, but they don't do a whole lot for me.
BTW, you can say all you want about DT owing a ton to Metallica, and you wouldn't be completely wrong, but really, they are outside the bands that DT have claimed as the largest influences. Awhile back, either Mike or John said in an interview that there were only three bands that DT were still willing to open for, now that they were a band that could support themselves with their own fanbase. Those bands were Rush, Iron Maiden, and (I believe) Yes. Those three bands and their styles are really the biggest to the DT formula. That formula BTW was already in the works when Metallica were writing MoP and AJFA, so I don't see how DT owe them that much really. Initially, influences such as the bands I already mentioned and more pioneering prog metal acts like Fates Warning and Queensryche were far more important to DT than Metallica were.
Honestly, the idea that Metallica pioneered prog metal is kinda ridiculous, the more I think about it. Metallica were the ones *influenced* somewhat by prog metal, not the other way around, and to give them some sort of credit for pioneering it is really bizarre and incorrect.
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BCASL's problems had little to do with the fact it was metal imo. A lot of its problem was bloat. The album of epics.
I can agree with that to a point - I happen to think that the bloat WAS its problem, not that it was either "too metal" or "too long/prog". TSF could stand a MAJOR rework, TBOT should've stayed between MP and his dad, and TCOT is WAY overrated (I do admit that I really like Jordan's nod to Frank Zappa in the intro, though). ANTR goes on for about a minute or two too long, and while I don't have a problem with it (since I'm about the only one here who still likes the song, apparently) the Bebot solo really sounds out of place in AROP. Wither is about the best song on the album.
As always... your mileage may vary and the above opinions are SOLELY mine.
I love every minute of it, including the thunder sample, the blast beat and "Day after day...".
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That bolded part was actually referring to AROP, not ANTR. Sorry for the confusion, folks.
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Crap, I'm stuck in a black hole
https://yourmajesty.ytmnd.com/
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I don't call Load-St. Anger "metal". To me, that was a deviation, Death Magnetic was getting back to themselves.
And I think Zeppelin and Sabbath were heavy for it's time, but not metal like Metallica and later bands did.
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That bolded part was actually referring to AROP, not ANTR. Sorry for the confusion, folks.
Oh, it's totally my bad, started replying after reading until the bolded part. Don't particularly care for AROP, but I love every JP solo which features wah-wah and tremolo hitting (or whatever that technique is called).
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I really like A Rite Of Passage... though I admit the Bebot is kind of annoying.
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I don't much care for AROP, it's ok, probably a little better than YNM and BMS but I actually like the Bebot solo. :lol
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So James' new album is done, and now we await a release date
:tup
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7300/8733894822_9fc6a4449f_z.jpg)
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:metal :metal :metal :metal :cjs:
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Now that that album is done, let's finish THIS album.
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It'll sound great with Jens Borgen at the helm. Time to get him over to DT!
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Also, from the end of that post, we now know that JLB's new album is 100% Ska music.
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Also, from the end of that post, we now know that JLB's new album is 100% Ska music.
I really hope not.
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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sk%C3%A5l
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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sk%C3%A5l
Dammit, my eyes really did ignore that 'l' at the end. I was looking for the translation but couldn't find anything.
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Mine too! Wow, I was 100% the word was just ska, even when reading the wikipage! :o
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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sk%C3%A5l
Dammit, my eyes really did ignore that 'l' at the end. I was looking for the translation but couldn't find anything.
It means "cheers" in Danish (from old icelandish).
B.Lee
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Can we get back to the important discussion of JLB's hair? It's been a lot of different hues over the years, but, in the end, we only see the change, light to dark, dark to light.
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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sk%C3%A5l
Dammit, my eyes really did ignore that 'l' at the end. I was looking for the translation but couldn't find anything.
It means "cheers" in Danish (from old icelandish).
...and in Swedish and Norwegian (as you can see in the link).
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Can we get back to the important discussion of JLB's hair? It's been a lot of different hues over the years, but, in the end, we only see the change, light to dark, dark to light.
:clap:
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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sk%C3%A5l
Dammit, my eyes really did ignore that 'l' at the end. I was looking for the translation but couldn't find anything.
It means "cheers" in Danish (from old icelandish).
...and in Swedish and Norwegian (as you can see in the link).
Sorry, I hadn't seen the link. Too much riddles! :)
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It means "cheers" in Danish (from old icelandish).
B.Lee
Well, now that that wikipedia link is up, I know that.
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That bolded part was actually referring to AROP, not ANTR. Sorry for the confusion, folks.
Oh, it's totally my bad, started replying after reading until the bolded part. Don't particularly care for AROP, but I love every JP solo which features wah-wah and tremolo hitting (or whatever that technique is called).
No worries - I just wanted to clarify that for everyone else, too. :)
Can we get back to the important discussion of JLB's hair? It's been a lot of different hues over the years, but, in the end, we only see the change, light to dark, dark to light.
REALLY! :rollin :clap:
Mmm... JLB's hair... :laugh: :heart
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From Jordan's pledge update
I am finished recording my parts for the new Dream Theater album
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YES.
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awesome! thanks
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From Jordan's pledge update
I am finished recording my parts for the new Dream Theater album
The complete suckage of the last page or so has finally been erased.
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So now there are vocals, mixing and mastering left?
I wonder if they are finished writing lyrics...
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Meh.
Who needs lyrics?
I'd be fine with just James "woahing" wordless throughout the album! :neverusethis:
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Meh.
Who needs lyrics?
I'd be fine with just James "woahing" wordless throughout the album! :neverusethis:
I seriously love non-lyrical vocals (Lunatic Soul, Cocteau Twins) so I'd be down for that.
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IT WOULD BE AWESOME
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So now there are vocals, mixing and mastering left?
I wonder if they are finished writing lyrics...
I wonder if James is going to record in NY since DT still has about two or three weeks left at the NY studio. Unless they are using that time for guitar solos and lyric writing.
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Meh.
Who needs lyrics?
I'd be fine with just James "woahing" wordless throughout the album! :neverusethis:
I seriously love non-lyrical vocals (Lunatic Soul, Cocteau Twins) so I'd be down for that.
I'm up for some JLB scat singing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV5J24we_dQ&t=1m18s
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Meh.
Who needs lyrics?
I'd be fine with just James "woahing" wordless throughout the album! :neverusethis:
I seriously love non-lyrical vocals (Lunatic Soul, Cocteau Twins) so I'd be down for that.
I'm up for some JLB scat singing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV5J24we_dQ&t=1m18s
he surely does have the distortion capabilities for that! :lol
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Jordan post on facebook
Working on melody
https://youtu.be/nhkZjpBO7pw
But the video is private. Someone commenting on facebook thinks it might have been a private message from JR to JP posted wrong but I think that's unlikely.
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no he's teasing us!! he did it on purpose I think
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I thought the keyboards were done?
Dunno what's with the private thing, but I bet it's another one of his Explorations videos.
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Yup, my guess is that it's related to the Explores/Explorations project.
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Yup, my guess is that it's related to the Explores/Explorations project.
Yes, as far as I know those videos are available only to those who pledged for something on kickstarter.
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Yup, my guess is that it's related to the Explores/Explorations project.
Yes, as far as I know those videos are available only to those who pledged for something on kickstarter.
That's correct, however this time it's not a video for us "pledgers" cause it has not been uploaded to the updates-section on his Pledge Music account. I'm thinking that this may be something that he wanted to show someone involved in his Explorations project (the orchestral piece) in private.
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So now there are vocals, mixing and mastering left?
I wonder if they are finished writing lyrics...
I wonder if James is going to record in NY since DT still has about two or three weeks left at the NY studio. Unless they are using that time for guitar solos and lyric writing.
I'm pretty sure James has already said he's going to do the vocals in NY.
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^ That was one of the questions he answered in that recent Q&A thing they did with the fans.
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^ That was one of the questions he answered in that recent Q&A thing they did with the fans.
Ah. I see. Somehow I missed that.
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Some good news :)
I am really happy for the guy. He's fulfilling one of the dreams of his life and I cannot but smile seeing it happening, following his progression in the past few years. I hope many many more will do the same when they hear the new album. :)
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Excellent!
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Also excellent T-Shirt! I would buy it straight away!
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I am really happy for the guy. He's fulfilling one of the dreams of his life and I cannot but smile seeing it happening, following his progression in the past few years. I hope many many more will do the same when they hear the new album. :)
What is this referring to? Is this just some random good news or is it about Jordan's or James' solo thing? Or the new DT album?
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I am really happy for the guy. He's fulfilling one of the dreams of his life and I cannot but smile seeing it happening, following his progression in the past few years. I hope many many more will do the same when they hear the new album. :)
What is this referring to? Is this just some random good news or is it about Jordan's or James' solo thing? Or the new DT album?
This must be for DT's album. The guy is an orchestra arranger. He did the orchestra thing with JR and he Venezuelan orchestra. Can't quite remember his name LOL
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Eren Başbuğ.
From his Twitter:
"recording the parts I arranged for Dream Theater's new album. one of the most amazing moments of my life so far."
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Eren Başbuğ.
From his Twitter:
"recording the parts I arranged for Dream Theater's new album. one of the most amazing moments of my life so far."
Nice! This seems promising...
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Sorry, I should have been more precise. :lol
So, this tell us something: we have an orchestra on the album! I am happy, are you? :D
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I'm not worried, because the guy is essentially brilliant at whatever he does arrange. Really, really happy for him! :tup
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Exciting news!!
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I'm not worried, because the guy is essentially brilliant at whatever he does arrange. Really, really happy for him! :tup
One might say that his ResultsMayNOTVary! :neverusethis:
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Eren :heart
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I'm not worried, because the guy is essentially brilliant at whatever he does arrange. Really, really happy for him! :tup
One might say that his ResultsMayNOTVary! :neverusethis:
:justjen
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Orchestral arrangements have become a cliché in metal, but I bet (or at least hope) DT will be able to use them effectively. Eren is really lucky! :)
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Yes! I'm double excited for DT12 now, if there's going to be orchestra.
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Orchestral arrangements have become a cliché in metal, but I bet (or at least hope) DT will be able to use them effectively. Eren is really lucky! :)
Dream Theater are better than most in incorporating orchestral arrangements into their music, I mean, look at Octavarium, Sacrificed Sons, all of Score (besides tuning problems at times), not to mention Jordan Rudess is a classically trained musician and composer. He also brings the prog most likely the most, and is quoted for not having much interest in metal music. DT are much more than a metal band. I wouldn't be surprised if this album is less on the metal and more on the prog, though heavy much of the time I'm sure. But I honestly don't know what they'll do on the next album now that there's going to be some symphonic music.
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Orchestral arrangements have become a cliché in metal, but I bet (or at least hope) DT will be able to use them effectively. Eren is really lucky! :)
Well, that may be (I have no knowledge of it), but it's sure that DT never used an actual full orchestra in a studio record, if I'm not badly mistaken.
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Orchestral arrangements have become a cliché in metal, but I bet (or at least hope) DT will be able to use them effectively. Eren is really lucky! :)
Why have they become a cliche?
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I expect there to be tuba solos on this album.
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Orchestral arrangements have become a cliché in metal, but I bet (or at least hope) DT will be able to use them effectively. Eren is really lucky! :)
Well, that may be (I have no knowledge of it), but it's sure that DT never used an actual full orchestra in a studio record, if I'm not badly mistaken.
I believe they did with Octavarium
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Orchestral arrangements have become a cliché in metal, but I bet (or at least hope) DT will be able to use them effectively. Eren is really lucky! :)
Well, that may be (I have no knowledge of it), but it's sure that DT never used an actual full orchestra in a studio record, if I'm not badly mistaken.
Octavarium used an orchestra, likely at least as big as they're using here.
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Orchestral arrangements have become a cliché in metal, but I bet (or at least hope) DT will be able to use them effectively. Eren is really lucky! :)
Well, that may be (I have no knowledge of it), but it's sure that DT never used an actual full orchestra in a studio record, if I'm not badly mistaken.
didnt they for octavarium? maybe not a full orchestra, but they did have a small one
Edit: ninja'd
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I thought there were full orchestras on some Octavarium songs.
Edit: apparently double ninja'd. DAMN
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saying orchestras have become cliche is like saying electric guitars have become cliche...
If you mean using an orchestra or electric guitar (or any other musical instrument or approach) for no reason other than filling up and beefing the sound, well that never became cliche, it's simply stupid and unoriginal every single time.
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Orchestral arrangements have become a cliché in metal, but I bet (or at least hope) DT will be able to use them effectively. Eren is really lucky! :)
Well, that may be (I have no knowledge of it), but it's sure that DT never used an actual full orchestra in a studio record, if I'm not badly mistaken.
Octavarium used an orchestra, likely at least as big as they're using here.
Yeah this, but I really liked the dimension the real orchestral sounds brought to that album, so this is cool news!
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Yeah, I was thinking Octavarium, but I like being disproved, so... :-*
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Yeah, I was thinking Octavarium, but I like being disproved, so... :-*
The Octavarium Orchestra. Shouldve been a clue
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Orchestral arrangements have become a cliché in metal, but I bet (or at least hope) DT will be able to use them effectively. Eren is really lucky! :)
Why have they become a cliche?
Because almost everyone uses them (orchestral arrangements are slowly breaking into extreme metal, even) but everyone seems to use them because they love orchestral music, and not because they actually have an idea how to use them in their music. At least that's my stance as a metalhead who dislikes 90% of how orchestras are used in metal :lol
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^What she said.
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Eren Başbuğ.
From his Twitter:
"recording the parts I arranged for Dream Theater's new album. one of the most amazing moments of my life so far."
In that case I'm really excited. I love when bands bring in real a real orchestra instead of just doing it on the keyboard.
Also, didn't they use orchestra on the Six Degrees Overure? I have no idea if they did I just always thought they did.
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Eren Başbuğ.
From his Twitter:
"recording the parts I arranged for Dream Theater's new album. one of the most amazing moments of my life so far."
In that case I'm really excited. I love when bands bring in real a real orchestra instead of just doing it on the keyboard.
Also, didn't they use orchestra on the Six Degrees Overure? I have no idea if they did I just always thought they did.
Only on Score. In the studio it was all JR.
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Orchestral arrangements have become a cliché in metal, but I bet (or at least hope) DT will be able to use them effectively. Eren is really lucky! :)
Why have they become a cliche?
Because almost everyone uses them (orchestral arrangements are slowly breaking into extreme metal, even) but everyone seems to use them because they love orchestral music, and not because they actually have an idea how to use them in their music. At least that's my stance as a metalhead who dislikes 90% of how orchestras are used in metal :lol
Ah, I see.
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I expect there to be tuba solos on this album.
:tup :lol
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I don't mind orchestral instruments being used in metal.
What I don't like is when bands combine that female lead vocals.
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This is very interesting. I just hope this orchestral stuff is not only for a ballad or something.
I would be extremely happy with some orchestral work over crazy instrumentations :metal
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Eren Başbuğ.
From his Twitter:
"recording the parts I arranged for Dream Theater's new album. one of the most amazing moments of my life so far."
In that case I'm really excited. I love when bands bring in real a real orchestra instead of just doing it on the keyboard.
Also, didn't they use orchestra on the Six Degrees Overure? I have no idea if they did I just always thought they did.
Only on Score. In the studio it was all JR.
And that's why I seriously dislike that Overture. I like orchestral stuff in metal, but if it's done, it should be some real orchestra and not artificial and electronic parts.
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Orchestral arrangements have become a cliché in metal, but I bet (or at least hope) DT will be able to use them effectively. Eren is really lucky! :)
Why have they become a cliche?
Because almost everyone uses them (orchestral arrangements are slowly breaking into extreme metal, even) but everyone seems to use them because they love orchestral music, and not because they actually have an idea how to use them in their music. At least that's my stance as a metalhead who dislikes 90% of how orchestras are used in metal :lol
Well said. A lot of lesser metal bands write a simple song and add orchestral instruments that just play the same simple chord progression, assuming that it will make their music sound grand and epic.
I want more bands to do what, for example, Haken did with the string quartet at the end of Visions :hefdaddy
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Some shit like the end of These Walls please.
That section just kicks so much butt.
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Some shit like the end of These Walls please.
That section just kicks so much butt.
As does the whole song. As does the whole album :heart
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Some shit like the end of These Walls please.
That section just kicks so much butt.
As does the whole song. As does the whole album :heart
My favourite DT album. :heart :heart
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Somebody use their fancy photo editing skills to zoom in on their sheet music! :P
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Orchestral arrangements have become a cliché in metal, but I bet (or at least hope) DT will be able to use them effectively. Eren is really lucky! :)
Why have they become a cliche?
Because almost everyone uses them (orchestral arrangements are slowly breaking into extreme metal, even) but everyone seems to use them because they love orchestral music, and not because they actually have an idea how to use them in their music. At least that's my stance as a metalhead who dislikes 90% of how orchestras are used in metal :lol
I have no issue with it. It's actually the element that has made some metal tolerable to listen to. The band Red is a perfect example.
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Somebody use their fancy photo editing skills to zoom in on their sheet music! :P
The word you're looking for is "CSI filter".
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Orchestral arrangements have become a cliché in metal, but I bet (or at least hope) DT will be able to use them effectively. Eren is really lucky! :)
Why have they become a cliche?
Because almost everyone uses them (orchestral arrangements are slowly breaking into extreme metal, even) but everyone seems to use them because they love orchestral music, and not because they actually have an idea how to use them in their music. At least that's my stance as a metalhead who dislikes 90% of how orchestras are used in metal :lol
Even KISS used an orchestra... KISS!!!!
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You know what else has become a cliché in Metal? ... Distorted guitars! Everyone uses them! :rollin
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You know what else has become a cliché in Metal? ... Distorted guitars! Everyone uses them! :rollin
Never noticed that before :blush
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saying orchestras have become cliche is like saying electric guitars have become cliche...
If you mean using an orchestra or electric guitar (or any other musical instrument or approach) for no reason other than filling up and beefing the sound, well that never became cliche, it's simply stupid and unoriginal every single time.
a PAGE AGO people!! damn I was proud when I wrote this because this is exactly my philosophy when it comes to this subject.. but whatever to my genius posts.. :\ :yeahright
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MM will teach the orchestra how to do MATH orchestrations to go along with the new music! :metal
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light to dark dark to light light to dark dark to light.
More good news to hype us up, but not a sound.
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You know what else has become a cliché in Metal? ... Distorted guitars! Everyone uses them! :rollin
Just the use of guitars in general is a bit too cliched.
If DT wants to be really bold they will record a stringless album.
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Speaking of stringless, I was thinking the other day that JP is rather non-adventurous when it comes to sounds and guitars. There's the fretless guitars out there, the voice boxes etc. JP strangely enough never experimented with those.
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the voice boxes etc. JP strangely enough never experimented with those.
Burning My Soulllllllllllll
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Speaking of stringless, I was thinking the other day that JP is rather non-adventurous when it comes to sounds and guitars. There's the fretless guitars out there, the voice boxes etc. JP strangely enough never experimented with those.
Everyone one of his solos is an adventure that takes a mortal being 65786x as long to complete, or is impossible for them to complete.
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Sorry, I should have been more precise. :lol
So, this tell us something: we have an orchestra on the album! I am happy, are you? :D
It was on my wishlist, following The 2nd Law. I'm delighted!
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So, this tell us something: we have an orchestra on the album! I am happy, are you? :D
I am trilled, that's very exciting. :metal
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Everyone one of his solos is an adventure that takes a mortal being 65786x as long to complete, or is impossible for them to complete.
:lol
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You know what else has become a cliché in Metal? ... Distorted guitars! Everyone uses them! :rollin
Just the use of guitars in general is a bit too cliched.
If DT wants to be really bold they will record a stringless album.
;D
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Sorry, I should have been more precise. :lol
So, this tell us something: we have an orchestra on the album! I am happy, are you? :D
Nightwish went downhill when they started to use a full orchestra.
But we'll see. Let's hope this won't be anything over-the-top.
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Y'all need to quit being such negative Nancies off in here. :biggrin:
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Orchestral arrangements have become a cliché in metal, but I bet (or at least hope) DT will be able to use them effectively. Eren is really lucky! :)
Why have they become a cliche?
Because almost everyone uses them (orchestral arrangements are slowly breaking into extreme metal, even) but everyone seems to use them because they love orchestral music, and not because they actually have an idea how to use them in their music. At least that's my stance as a metalhead who dislikes 90% of how orchestras are used in metal :lol
Well said. A lot of lesser metal bands write a simple song and add orchestral instruments that just play the same simple chord progression, assuming that it will make their music sound grand and epic.
I want more bands to do what, for example, Haken did with the string quartet at the end of Visions :hefdaddy
Arguably 90% of metal bands don't know how to write metal that isn't cliched either. That's not a issue specific to the use of an orchestra, it's a general issue within the world of music and applies everywhere.
But the use of an actual orchestra isn't all that common, and is often done in an intelligent and interesting way (I like the Haken example, great choice!). And I trust DT to incorporate it nicely like they did on Octavarium.
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Sorry, I should have been more precise. :lol
So, this tell us something: we have an orchestra on the album! I am happy, are you? :D
It was on my wishlist, following The 2nd Law. I'm delighted!
:tup
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But the use of an actual orchestra isn't all that common, and is often done in an intelligent and interesting way (I like the Haken example, great choice!). And I trust DT to incorporate it nicely like they did on Octavarium.
Well, it's DT. I'm sure they're not going to use it just for the hell of using it, and they've already proven that they can incorporate great orchestra into their music, and again, it's freakin Dream Theater. :hefdaddy
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So.. so... does that mean they will be touring with an orchestra? You know, if theres a lot used (other than that I guess JR could play it live)
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^ Or they'll just backing track it like they have ben recently for backing vox etc.
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^ Or they'll just backing track it like they have ben recently for backing vox etc.
Likely case here. Although I foresee one or a few special shows with the orchestra playing along with them ala Score.
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The moment you know it's gonna be a great album.
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:omg:
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So.. so... does that mean they will be touring with an orchestra? You know, if theres a lot used (other than that I guess JR could play it live)
What would Rush do? They just toured with an orchestra so it might be something DT would consider.
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Ah ha, so there will be keys on the album....
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Speaking of stringless, I was thinking the other day that JP is rather non-adventurous when it comes to sounds and guitars. There's the fretless guitars out there, the voice boxes etc. JP strangely enough never experimented with those.
JP used a voice box for live version of LITS, it made the solo much more epic.
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I love keyboards, but I hope not.
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Speaking of stringless, I was thinking the other day that JP is rather non-adventurous when it comes to sounds and guitars. There's the fretless guitars out there, the voice boxes etc. JP strangely enough never experimented with those.
JP used a voice box for live version of LITS, it made the solo much more epic.
I :heart that version of the solo, from the Bucharest DVD for people who wondered :)
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Speaking of stringless, I was thinking the other day that JP is rather non-adventurous when it comes to sounds and guitars. There's the fretless guitars out there, the voice boxes etc. JP strangely enough never experimented with those.
JP used a voice box for live version of LITS, it made the solo much more epic.
I :heart that version of the solo, from the Bucharest DVD for people who wondered :)
He used it on the whole as far as I know, I also saw it on the NYC bootleg.
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Speaking of stringless, I was thinking the other day that JP is rather non-adventurous when it comes to sounds and guitars. There's the fretless guitars out there, the voice boxes etc. JP strangely enough never experimented with those.
Good point. Fretless would be awesome. The Madmen & Sinners stuff James was on was freakin' badass and I believe that was all done with a fretless. Fretless guitar is a tricky beast from what I hear. Much more complicated than fretless bass.
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The moment you know it's gonna be a great album.
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^Haha, my first thought too.
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I luv mellotron :3 !!!!
I hope that the new album would have softer feeling.. Like Falling into Infinity!
And lots of clean guitars :3
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Speaking of stringless, I was thinking the other day that JP is rather non-adventurous when it comes to sounds and guitars. There's the fretless guitars out there, the voice boxes etc. JP strangely enough never experimented with those.
Good point. Fretless would be awesome. The Madmen & Sinners stuff James was on was freakin' badass and I believe that was all done with a fretless. Fretless guitar is a tricky beast from what I hear. Much more complicated than fretless bass.
I :heart fretless and speaking of that i just saw Gutrie the other day doin a demo on a new fretless guitar which was pretty sweet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjEGtUXGWa0
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The moment you know it's gonna be a great album.
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Serious Wizard is SRS. :metal
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Looks badass.
And that Mellotron is cool.
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Hey, that gray patch in the background doesn't look natural. It's clear that they had the release date of the DVD and the album art/tracklist and a collection of JM's hand written emoticons there and they couldn't let us see all of it.
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::)
:laugh:
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Hey, that gray patch in the background doesn't look natural. It's clear that they had the release date of the DVD and the album art/tracklist and a collection of JM's hand written emoticons there and they couldn't let us see all of it.
Quick, someone apply the CSI filter to the glass so we can see the reflection of the whiteboard, then flip the image so we can read the words.
Although it's probably just JP's secret salmon recipe he was going to cook up for the guys to celebrate the new album.
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Hey, that gray patch in the background doesn't look natural. It's clear that they had the release date of the DVD and the album art/tracklist and a collection of JM's hand written emoticons there and they couldn't let us see all of it.
Quick, someone apply the CSI filter to the glass so we can see the reflection of the whiteboard, then flip the image so we can read the words.
Although it's probably just JP's secret salmon recipe he was going to cook up for the guys to celebrate the new album.
Welcome to DTF™
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Hey, that gray patch in the background doesn't look natural. It's clear that they had the release date of the DVD and the album art/tracklist and a collection of JM's hand written emoticons there and they couldn't let us see all of it.
Quick, someone apply the CSI filter to the glass so we can see the reflection of the whiteboard, then flip the image so we can read the words.
Although it's probably just JP's secret salmon recipe he was going to cook up for the guys to celebrate the new album.
Welcome to DTF™
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Oh my... :rollin :clap:
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You know why they did that to the gray section, right? Because they saw what was done to just a piece of paper that was next to JP and realized that the lyrics were accurate. Clearly the information was meant to be hidden and therefore very valuable. it is now imperative that we get on that CSI filter soon.
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@blob: 100/100, would hire.
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Hey, that gray patch in the background doesn't look natural. It's clear that they had the release date of the DVD and the album art/tracklist and a collection of JM's hand written emoticons there and they couldn't let us see all of it.
Quick, someone apply the CSI filter to the glass so we can see the reflection of the whiteboard, then flip the image so we can read the words.
Although it's probably just JP's secret salmon recipe he was going to cook up for the guys to celebrate the new album.
Welcome to DTF™
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/welcome_dtf.jpg)
That's exactly how I feel here from time to time :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
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I had a dream last night that DT release a couple 5 second clips of some songs, and they sounded slightly poppy side, akin to Circus Maximus's latest album. Also, Devin Townsend was a guest vocalist on one song.
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^^I wish I had dreams like that. The only music-related dream I remember featured me hearing Black Winter Day by Amorphis on the radio. I guess I was just really looking forward to the release of Circle ;D
Nothing wrong with a slightly poppy DT by the way.
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:welcome:
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:lol
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Hey, that gray patch in the background doesn't look natural. It's clear that they had the release date of the DVD and the album art/tracklist and a collection of JM's hand written emoticons there and they couldn't let us see all of it.
Quick, someone apply the CSI filter to the glass so we can see the reflection of the whiteboard, then flip the image so we can read the words.
Although it's probably just JP's secret salmon recipe he was going to cook up for the guys to celebrate the new album.
Welcome to DTF™
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I think I just fainted with joy.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
AND :lol cause bosky made it an emote! :metalol:
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Hey Blob, can I use it in my sig?
B.Lee
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:lol
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Hey Blob, can I use it in my sig?
B.Lee
Check out my new avatar!!
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:lol :lol :lol
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Hey Blob, can I use it in my sig?
B.Lee
Check out my new avatar!!
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Hey Blob, can I use it in my sig?
B.Lee
Check out my new avatar!!
Oh come on, can I call dibs on my own avvie? :lol
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:lol :lol :lol
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Check out my new avatar!!
Oh come on, can I call dibs on my own avvie? :lol
You should be able to do that :lol
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Oh come on, can I call dibs on my own avvie? :lol
Yes.
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Oh come on, can I call dibs on my own avvie? :lol
Yes.
Wrong band.
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Hey Blob, can I use it in my sig?
B.Lee
Check out my new avatar!!
Oh come on, can I call dibs on my own avvie? :lol
You should have copyrights for that picture, Mora! :D
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I :heart fretless and speaking of that i just saw Gutrie the other day doin a demo on a new fretless guitar which was pretty sweet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjEGtUXGWa0
As cool as that is it creeps me out, just like lefties, and doesn't seem natural. Fretless bass I don't start sweating around but fretless guitars give me the heebie-jeebies.
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First off - loving :welcome:
Second off...^ Or they'll just backing track it like they have ben recently for backing vox etc.
While I think this is more likely, what I loved on the Octavarium tour, was hearing how the band tackled the unusual arrangements. With songs like Sacrificed Sons and Octavarium, that they'd been playing every night, there was still a real anticipation seeing them live, because a. I was fifteen and it was my first DT gig, I'd have been excited by The Ones Who Helped to Set the Sun on loop, and b. I had no idea how they were gonna pull it off without an orchestra. Turned out, easily! But SS, in particular - doing the string parts on the continuum was really, really cool. I'd like to see more of that.
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I :heart fretless and speaking of that i just saw Gutrie the other day doin a demo on a new fretless guitar which was pretty sweet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjEGtUXGWa0
As cool as that is it creeps me out, just like lefties, and doesn't seem natural. Fretless bass I don't start sweating around but fretless guitars give me the heebie-jeebies.
Well i'm no guitarist so no worries from me! :biggrin: I just like the sound and toooooooone.
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Oh come on, can I call dibs on my own avvie? :lol
Yes.
Wrong band.
:lol
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Reminds me I need to grab my fretless again...
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:caffeine:
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From JP's Twitter:
Just finished my final lyric for the new DT album. I start solos in about a week. Time to put down the pen and get to the woodshed!
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From JP's Twitter:
Just finished my final lyric for the new DT album. I start solos in about a week. Time to put down the pen and get to the woodshed!
I think he means... the cave??
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Madlibs time!
Just finished my final _____ for the new DT album. I start ____ in about a week. Time to put down the ____ and get to the _____!
Just finished my final BEAR STUFF for the new DT album. I start HIBERNATION in about a week. Time to put down the SALMON and get to the FOREST!
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Oh, blob :rollin
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Just finished my final VOCAL STUFF for the new DT album. I start EXCAVATION in about a week. Time to put down the MIKE and get to the SHOVEL SHED!
Capt'n JLB
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Just finished my final Starbucks order for the new DT album. I start practicing bass for DT13 in about a week. Time to put down the bass and get to the choppa!
JMX
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Just finished my final Starbucks order for the new DT album. I start practicing bass for DT13 in about a week. Time to put down the bass and get to the choppa!
JMX
:lol
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From JP's Twitter:
Just finished my final lyric for the new DT album. I start solos in about a week. Time to put down the pen and get to the woodshed!
I bet JP's solos on this album are going to be fantastic! (as always I should say...) :metal
And, the tracklisting should be finished now since JP is done with the lyrics...unless JMX or JLB is still working on theirs (assuming JLB is writing one)
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Just finished my final Marriage Analogy for the new DT album. I start Preparing Social Media Jabs in about a week. Time to put down the Phone To My Favourite Musicians and get to the INTERNET!
From MP.com
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Seems like they might have taken a bit of extra time for the lyrics.
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Yeah, I guess I figure recording starts after everything's written, and if they're still working on lyrics, then things aren't actually done being written yet. But maybe it's just some fine-tuning of lyrics, since vocals are done last anyways, and they went ahead and started laying tracks while lyrics were still being finished up, figuring there could be some overlap.
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Yeah, I guess I figure recording starts after everything's written, and if they're still working on lyrics, then things aren't actually done being written yet. But maybe it's just some fine-tuning of lyrics, since vocals are done last anyways, and they went ahead and started laying tracks while lyrics were still being finished up, figuring there could be some overlap.
Yes, that's exactly what they stated in various interviews or status updates :smiley:
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Did they not say they were tracking as the music was being constructed so all that's left to do is the guitar solos and the vocals?
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It's not uncommon for bands to finish writing all the music before a single lyric is written.
U2 once famously recorded vocals for a song while the album was being MASTERED.
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It's not uncommon for bands to finish writing all the music before a single lyric is written.
Hasn't DT always been doing things this way?
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It's not uncommon for bands to finish writing all the music before a single lyric is written.
Hasn't DT always been doing things this way?
Yes.
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Just finished my final VOCAL STUFF for the new DT album. I start EXCAVATION in about a week. Time to put down the MIKE and get to the SHOVEL SHED!
Capt'n JLB
:rollin :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rollin
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Just finished my final Starbucks order for the new DT album. I start practicing bass for DT13 in about a week. Time to put down the bass and get to the choppa!
JMX
Nice try, but as we all know JMX NEVER puts down the bass...
;)
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I had a dream last night...
I was pulling up to my house from work when I saw a camera crew set up in the parking lot I usually park in.... Turns out DT were shooting a video for the single off the album. I stood kinda on the side watching in disbelief when the director yelled something about a guy not being there and they needed a hand with something Next thing I knew I was pulled in and told I needed to push a wheelbarrel with Mangini sitting in it into the scene.. I don't remember the rest but when it was all said and done I was given a gift wrapped copy of the new album.
And my alarm went off as I was opening it -_-
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I stood kinda on the side watching in disbelief when the director yelled something about a guy not being there and they needed a hand with something Next thing I knew I was pulled in and told I needed to push a wheelbarrel with Mangini sitting in it into the scene..
:rollin :rollin
Please let this actually be in their next video. Preferably with JLB coming in to the scene from the other side on his forklift :lol
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I stood kinda on the side watching in disbelief when the director yelled something about a guy not being there and they needed a hand with something Next thing I knew I was pulled in and told I needed to push a wheelbarrel with Mangini sitting in it into the scene..
:rollin :rollin
Please let this actually be in their next video. Preferably with JLB coming in to the scene from the other side on his forklift :lol
AND THEN HAVING A SUPERHERO FIGHT
Gosh I wish DT in their extramusical (or bonusmusical) activities was always as fabulously, positively camp* as most of its members are sometimes :lol :metal
*okay is there a word for this less strong and more positive than camp but clearer than wacky or whatever. EDUCATE ME, DTF
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I was pulling up to my house from work when I saw a camera crew set up in the parking lot I usually park in.... Turns out DT were shooting a video for the single off the album. I stood kinda on the side watching in disbelief when the director yelled something about a guy not being there and they needed a hand with something Next thing I knew I was pulled in and told I needed to push a wheelbarrel with Mangini sitting in it into the scene.. I don't remember the rest but when it was all said and done I was given a gift wrapped copy of the new album.
I hope you realize that from now on the world will not be complete if the band doesn't aknowledge and then stage your dream. Do you relize the damage you have done? You are the rotted root in the DTF-tree. Yyeah.
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I was pulling up to my house from work when I saw a camera crew set up in the parking lot I usually park in.... Turns out DT were shooting a video for the single off the album. I stood kinda on the side watching in disbelief when the director yelled something about a guy not being there and they needed a hand with something Next thing I knew I was pulled in and told I needed to push a wheelbarrel with Mangini sitting in it into the scene.. I don't remember the rest but when it was all said and done I was given a gift wrapped copy of the new album.
I hope you realize that from now on the world will not be complete if the band doesn't aknowledge and then stage your dream. Do you relize the damage you have done? You are the rotted root in the DTF-tree. Yyeah.
absolutely
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June 7th was when we found out the album and song titles. June 28th was when mixing and mastering finished and on June 29th, OTBOA was released as well as album artwork.
JLB finished his vocals for ADTOE back in April. So kinda behind last time around, but it seems to me that they took more time with this one.
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I stood kinda on the side watching in disbelief when the director yelled something about a guy not being there and they needed a hand with something Next thing I knew I was pulled in and told I needed to push a wheelbarrel with Mangini sitting in it into the scene..
:rollin :rollin
Please let this actually be in their next video. Preferably with JLB coming in to the scene from the other side on his forklift :lol
:rollin :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rollin
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JLB finished his vocals for ADTOE back in April. So kinda behind last time around, but it seems to me that they took more time with this one.
Which I'm thrilled about. It seemed like DT was kinda playing it safe on the last album, I really feel like they're pulling together to create something very special.
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JLB finished his vocals for ADTOE back in April. So kinda behind last time around, but it seems to me that they took more time with this one.
Which I'm thrilled about. It seemed like DT was kinda playing it safe on the last album, I really feel like they're pulling together to create something especially special.
FTFY ;)
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Totally. I hope they are as adventurous as they were when Six Degrees was concocted.
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It seemed like DT was kinda playing it safe on the last album
Which made sense, considering the kind of a position the band was in at the time. But yes, I can't wait to see what they'll put out in the fall. I have a feeling it's not only gonna blow my mind, it's gonna blow my soul.
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Totally. I hope they are as adventurous as they were when Six Degrees was concocted.
That would be bad ass indeed.
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It seemed like DT was kinda playing it safe on the last album
Which made sense, considering the kind of a position the band was in at the time. But yes, I can't wait to see what they'll put out in the fall. I have a feeling it's not only gonna blow my mind, it's gonna blow my soul.
Oh yea, I get that. It was kinda exactly what I was expecting from them, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but I want to be surprised this time.
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JP on Facebook says "Just finished my final lyric for the new DT album. I start solos in about a week. Time to put down the pen and get to the woodshed!".
So that means vocals can't possibly be done and there are at least a couple of more weeks we know for sure that just the music itself can't possibly be finished. Now what that says to me is that they're writing and playing the crap out of the new album. That's a lot of effort. I would have to just guess it's the hardest (if not close to) they've worked on an album. I'm really excited. Even if it pushes the date back.
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Assuming "The Woodshed" is what he calls the room that holds his guitar collection... that is a BAD ASS NAME.
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Assuming "The Woodshed" is what he calls the room that holds his guitar collection... that is a BAD ASS NAME.
Or.....he's been working so hard he hasn't 'been' with his wife in ages and 'the woodshed' is code for bedroom?
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JP on Facebook says "Just finished my final lyric for the new DT album. I start solos in about a week. Time to put down the pen and get to the woodshed!".
So that means vocals can't possibly be done and there are at least a couple of more weeks we know for sure that just the music itself can't possibly be finished. Now what that says to me is that they're writing and playing the crap out of the new album. That's a lot of effort. I would have to just guess it's the hardest (if not close to) they've worked on an album. I'm really excited. Even if it pushes the date back.
:tup
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Assuming "The Woodshed" is what he calls the room that holds his guitar collection... that is a BAD ASS NAME.
Or.....he's been working so hard he hasn't 'been' with his wife in ages and 'the woodshed' is code for bedroom?
Yeah, That's what I'd call me and my wife's bedroom too..
(https://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/32876850.jpg)
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JLB finished his vocals for ADTOE back in April.
No, he didn't. (https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/73871483277033473)
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I thought they were aiming for a September release date? With this update that means there is a lot more studio time. I think we will see it more like November even December.
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Considering JLB finished his vocal tracks May 26th, they're only a couple of weeks behind the ADTOE timetable (I guess finishing vocal tracks will take a couple of weeks starting now)
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There are times when I miss the 70's and 80's, when bands were hot and they would put out an album a year and sometimes 2 in
a single year. New music is like a drug. This modern approach (while good for bands with families) seems so slow.
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There are times when I miss the 70's and 80's, when bands were hot and they would put out an album a year and sometimes 2 in
a single year. New music is like a drug. This modern approach (while good for bands with families) seems so slow.
Yeah, but those albums also contained about half as much music.
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There are times when I miss the 70's and 80's, when bands were hot and they would put out an album a year and sometimes 2 in
a single year. New music is like a drug. This modern approach (while good for bands with families) seems so slow.
Can you give examples of some of these bi-annual releases you reference?
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Well actually, the term "Woodshed" comes from Charlie Parker, who would practice his music in his woodshed.
:blob: :millahhhh
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There are times when I miss the 70's and 80's, when bands were hot and they would put out an album a year and sometimes 2 in
a single year. New music is like a drug. This modern approach (while good for bands with families) seems so slow.
Can you give examples of some of these bi-annual releases you reference?
A few off the top of my head...
Beatles
Zeppelin
Alice Cooper
Judas Priest
CCR
Queen
David Bowie
Greatful Dead
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There are times when I miss the 70's and 80's, when bands were hot and they would put out an album a year and sometimes 2 in
a single year. New music is like a drug. This modern approach (while good for bands with families) seems so slow.
Can you give examples of some of these bi-annual releases you reference?
A few off the top of my head...
Beatles
Zeppelin
Alice Cooper
Judas Priest
CCR
Queen
David Bowie
Greatful Dead
Fair enough. Some of those guys were more prolific than others. I think in general though those frequent releases happen earlier in a bands career. When you've been around for 20+ years, you don't, and probably shouldn't be releasing material that often. I get what you mean though about doing so when in your groove. When you're turning out great material, you should run with it.
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also, van halen...
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also, van halen...
..and Kiss.
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Assuming "The Woodshed" is what he calls the room that holds his guitar collection... that is a BAD ASS NAME.
Or.....he's been working so hard he hasn't 'been' with his wife in ages and 'the woodshed' is code for bedroom?
Yeah, That's what I'd call me and my wife's bedroom too..
(https://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/32876850.jpg)
:lol
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Assuming "The Woodshed" is what he calls the room that holds his guitar collection... that is a BAD ASS NAME.
Or.....he's been working so hard he hasn't 'been' with his wife in ages and 'the woodshed' is code for bedroom?
Yeah, That's what I'd call me and my wife's bedroom too..
(https://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/32876850.jpg)
:lol
nice use of... Timmy's dad :lol
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Considering JLB finished his vocal tracks May 26th, they're only a couple of weeks behind the ADTOE timetable (I guess finishing vocal tracks will take a couple of weeks starting now)
Good point. I honestly don't get people bitching about how long things are taking - wasn't that the problem with SC and BC/SL?
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DT consistently bring out an album every two years. We know it's coming out this year so we don't really have much to complain about.
Not like we're waiting for a new Metallica or Tool CD !
:biggrin:
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DT consistently bring out an album every two years. We know it's coming out this year so we don't really have much to complain about.
Not like we're waiting for a new Metallica or Tool CD !
:biggrin:
Or Symphony X..
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Welcome to five pages ago. :lol
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Welcome to five pages ago. :lol
I know, but I saw it starting up again, so I thought I'd chime in. hahaha :lol
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DT consistently bring out an album every two years. We know it's coming out this year so we don't really have much to complain about.
Not like we're waiting for a new Metallica or Tool CD !
:biggrin:
Or Symphony X..
or Styx...
well if we're starting it up again.. :lol
oh and-
also, van halen...
..and Kiss.
first 9 Styx albums came out each one year apart, but Styx II and Serpent is Rising both came out in '73. But we have to remember that many of these albums we're referencing are less than half the size of DT albums in length :o
It's clear- NO band is as good as Dream Theater at 1, coming out with new albums consistently and 2, playing ALL songs live (literally every song from every album is on the possible-to-hear list when you see DT, which is absolutely astounding.
Styx only plays songs from 8 of their 14 albums, four of which they play only ONE song from EVER anymore.
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It's clear- NO band is as good as Dream Theater at 1, coming out with new albums consistently and 2, playing ALL songs live (literally every song from every album is on the possible-to-hear list when you see DT, which is absolutely astounding.
I'm hoping SDV won't be left out of that list in the future ;) and also some unreleased tracks EHM FII DEMO MATERIAL, SOMETIMES, ON A SEMI-ACOUSTIC GIG JAMES SOMETIMES TALKS ABOUT AND, YOU KNOW, EVE.
But there are also "regular" songs that aren't really likely to be played again, like You Not Me and stuff like that that wasn't really popular or that didn't work too well live (New Millennium comes to mind, according to JLB), some less popular WDADU songs, and also the entirety of the AA suite will not likely be done without MP, and The Best Of Times probably won't be done without MP, and you can't bet on any of their mega-epics in full length without them playing longer show.
What DT do is amazing and I can't think of any other band that puts the majority of their catalog into consideration for live shows, and I won't even mention DT used to completely rotate setlists and play double shows for years, since having an A and B setlist (with minor tweaks between them) that change substantially for each separate leg of the tour, as they do now, is awesome enough, but to say they would take into consideration anything they released for a regular show on a regular tour is a bit of a miscalculation.
Just me being a pedantic asshole :biggrin:
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It's clear- NO band is as good as Dream Theater at 1, coming out with new albums consistently and 2, playing ALL songs live (literally every song from every album is on the possible-to-hear list when you see DT, which is absolutely astounding.
I'm hoping SDV won't be left out of that list in the future ;) and also some unreleased tracks EHM FII DEMO MATERIAL, SOMETIMES, ON A SEMI-ACOUSTIC GIG JAMES SOMETIMES TALKS ABOUT AND, YOU KNOW, EVE.
But there are also "regular" songs that aren't really likely to be played again, like You Not Me and stuff like that that wasn't really popular or that didn't work too well live (New Millennium comes to mind, according to JLB), some less popular WDADU songs, and also the entirety of the AA suite will not likely be done without MP, and The Best Of Times probably won't be done without MP, and you can't bet on any of their mega-epics in full length without them playing longer show.
What DT do is amazing and I can't think of any other band that puts the majority of their catalog into consideration for live shows, and I won't even mention DT used to completely rotate setlists and play double shows for years, since having an A and B setlist (with minor tweaks between them) that change substantially for each separate leg of the tour, as they do now, is awesome enough, but to say they would take into consideration anything they released for a regular show on a regular tour is a bit of a miscalculation.
Just me being a pedantic asshole :biggrin:
and even after being so petty, considering the way they've pulled stuff out before, we have no reason to believe that none of those demos (btw not even on an album- I said "every song on every album") won't be played again, because they just might. And I tend to believe (and REALLY hope) that one day I will see Light the Fuse and Getaway live. And they do things for albums' anniversaries too, which makes it even more possible. Even if you're right, like let's say it was only Portnoy who pushed for playing obscurities, compare playing every song on every album minus 5 or 6 to only playing songs that made it on the radio..
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DT will be on tour for the year of Awake's 20th, do you you think they will celebrate it in some way? I sure hope so, it would be awesome to hear LSOAD, Voices, or even SDV if they decided to play it. :lol
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DT will be on tour for the year of Awake's 20th, do you you think they will celebrate it in some way? I sure hope so, it would be awesome to hear LSOAD, Voices, or even SDV if they decided to play it. :lol
They should play the entire thing. In Los Angeles. I would die happy
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Even if you're right, like let's say it was only Portnoy who pushed for playing obscurities, compare playing every song on every album minus 5 or 6 to only playing songs that made it on the radio..
I don't think it was only MP - they got tired of playing Evening Withs before he left, and at this point they just have too many "regular" songs out on albums and too many casual fans - they're growing more popular and acclaimed by the day and that would have happened with or without MP leaving - who wouldn't know, let's say, To Live Forever (well think of the percentage of people who aren't aware of "that one album" before JLB, let alone unreleased stuff), to be able to dedicate regular set time to rarities.
In short, they're growing into the type of band which has to go for the somewhat familiar stuff that can get a varied crowd fired up but they still leave place for less obvious songs in the set and I love that, I agree with you, I'm just saying it's not everything they play and that one or two very rare or first time song(s) in the set would take them ten-ish minutes tops and take all us fanboys up to heavens while making 70% of the other attenders of their shows only mildly confused :rollin
DT will be on tour for the year of Awake's 20th, do you you think they will celebrate it in some way? I sure hope so, it would be awesome to hear LSOAD, Voices, or even SDV if they decided to play it. :lol
They should play the entire thing. In Los Angeles. I would die happy
Get a camera rolling before you die because that's the only way I'd see it.
2014 is 20th anniversary of Awake and 15th anniversary of SFAM. Hm.
:xbones
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DT will be on tour for the year of Awake's 20th, do you you think they will celebrate it in some way? I sure hope so, it would be awesome to hear LSOAD, Voices, or even SDV if they decided to play it. :lol
They should play the entire thing. In Los Angeles. I would die happy
Los Angeles already had its share of anniversaries. It's time for other countries like Italy, Japan, Serbia, Indonesia.
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Awake in particular is such a huge part of my life. I've actually been hoping about the anniversary of it next year, and i REALLY hope they do something, they never have for that album before. I also live in Los Angeles, if they played the whole album at whatever show I end up going to, it would be a major unforgettable event in my life for sure.
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Even if you're right, like let's say it was only Portnoy who pushed for playing obscurities, compare playing every song on every album minus 5 or 6 to only playing songs that made it on the radio..
I don't think it was only MP
I'm not saying you said it was only MP who said they should do obscurities :lol
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DT will be on tour for the year of Awake's 20th, do you you think they will celebrate it in some way? I sure hope so, it would be awesome to hear LSOAD, Voices, or even SDV if they decided to play it. :lol
They should play the entire thing. In Los Angeles. I would die happy
Los Angeles already had its share of anniversaries. It's time for other countries like Italy, Japan, Serbia, Indonesia.
SPACE DIE WEST IN SRBIJA PLS
Awake in particular is such a huge part of my life.
For my part, I am scared to think how huge :biggrin:
Even if you're right, like let's say it was only Portnoy who pushed for playing obscurities, compare playing every song on every album minus 5 or 6 to only playing songs that made it on the radio..
I don't think it was only MP
I'm not saying you said it was only MP who said they should do obscurities :lol
I'm not saying you said what I said you said WAIT WUT :lol
Taking a chance to tell you you're awesome once again :mora:
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There are times when I miss the 70's and 80's, when bands were hot and they would put out an album a year and sometimes 2 in
a single year. New music is like a drug. This modern approach (while good for bands with families) seems so slow.
Can you give examples of some of these bi-annual releases you reference?
Fly By Night and Caress of Steel by Rush were both released in '75.
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Seeing Awake live would be insane. It's my favorite Dream Theater album, I would travel to the other side of the planet to see it!
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Whereas Blob would travel to the other side of the planet not to see it.
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Whereas Blob would travel to the other side of the planet not to see it.
:lol
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Whereas Blob would travel to the other side of the planet not to see it.
:lol
:blob: :clap:
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All those bi-annual releases mentioned were from the vinyl era, when albums were usually 35-40 minutes long. A DT album that clocks around 75 minutes contains the same amount of music as two early Rush albums.
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Um, to continue the multi-thread spanning "I dreamed of DT's new vid"-posts, I just remembered I dreamed of something this morning. In an otherwise really weird dream, I ran across JLB and MM in the main street of my town across a now defunct metal bar. They asked me to take them to the location where there new vid was filmed, which was somewhere in the park. MM was smiling very broadly at me and asking random passerbyes even more random questions. When I lead them to the location, JLB called me a great kid and gave me a kiss on the cheek and I blushed profusely :lol
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Was there a wheelbarrow?
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Sadly there were no wheelbarrows but I have vague memories of talking about the CSI filter being a thing.
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Sadly there were no wheelbarrows
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_7076_1364592449.jpeg)
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wait... so you lead them from Serbia to California? :JayOctavarium:
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There are times when I miss the 70's and 80's, when bands were hot and they would put out an album a year and sometimes 2 in
a single year. New music is like a drug. This modern approach (while good for bands with families) seems so slow.
Can you give examples of some of these bi-annual releases you reference?
Fly By Night and Caress of Steel by Rush were both released in '75.
Pretty sure Buckethead has everyone beat. These are his albums and the years they were released.
1992: Bucketheadland
1994: Giant Robot
1996: The Day of the Robot
1998: Colma
1999: Monsters and Robots
2001: Somewhere Over the Slaughterhouse
2002: Funnel Weaver
2002: Bermuda Triangle
2002: Electric Tears
2003: Bucketheadland 2
2004: Island of Lost Minds
2004: Population Override
2004: The Cuckoo Clocks of Hell
2005: Enter the Chicken
2005: Kaleidoscalp
2005: Inbred Mountain
2006: The Elephant Man's Alarm Clock
2006: Crime Slunk Scene
2007: Pepper's Ghost
2007: Decoding the Tomb of Bansheebot
2007: Cyborg Slunks
2008: Albino Slug
2009: Slaughterhouse on the Prairie
2009: A Real Diamond in the Rough
2009: Forensic Follies
2009: Needle in a Slunk Stack
2010: Shadows Between the Sky
2010: Spinal Clock
2010: Captain Eo's Voyage
2010: 3 Foot Clearance
2011: It's Alive
2011: Empty Space
2011: Underground Chamber
2011: Look Up There
2012: Electric Sea
2012: Balloon Cement
2012: The Shores of Molokai
2012: Racks
2012: March of the Slunks
2012: The Silent Picture Book
2013: Pike 11
2013: Pike 12
2013: Pike 14
2013: Pike 15
2013: Pike 13
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Yeah, but it's Buckethead.
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Anxiously waiting for news.
I recently obtained SDoIT in the mail. :D
Here's something to chew on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9csZ5fr-3s
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Not the greatest bass sound in the world. :lol
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It's clear- NO band is as good as Dream Theater at 1, coming out with new albums consistently and 2, playing ALL songs live (literally every song from every album is on the possible-to-hear list when you see DT, which is absolutely astounding.
Number 1 is not true.
Neither is number 2, since DT does not play ALL of their songs. Heck, nearly half of the songs from Falling into Infinity have not been played since Jordan Rudess joined the band 14 years ago.
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It's clear- NO band is as good as Dream Theater at 1, coming out with new albums consistently and 2, playing ALL songs live (literally every song from every album is on the possible-to-hear list when you see DT, which is absolutely astounding.
Number 1 is not true.
Neither is number 2, since DT does not play ALL of their songs. Heck, nearly half of the songs from Falling into Infinity have not been played since Jordan Rudess joined the band 14 years ago.
Is it really true about FII? Let's count:
New Millenium has been played lots on the ToT tour. You Not Me hasn't been played. Peruvian Skies has appeared on the 8V and ADTOE tours numerous times. Hollow Years was included in the ToT and BC&SL tours quite a bit. Burning My Soul was a regular on the SDOIT tour, and it was the '96 version which has parts of Hell's Kitchen, the end of which also appears in Instrumedley with appeared on the SDOIT and TOT tours. LITS was a regular in 2002 and 2007-2008. TAMP I'm not sure about. JLMB appeared on the 8V tour more than a few times. Anna Lee hasn't been played. Trial of Tears was a regular in 2004, not sure about since. More than half the album has been played regularly for one or more tours since JR joined. Assuming none of this is misinformation, otherwise my post was useless. :lol
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I'm pretty sure they play Peruvian Skies every time they're in Peru... I mean, they're kinda obligated to right? haha
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Parts of Hell's Kitchen have been played, but the song itself has not been. You Not Me, Anna Lee and Take Away My Pain have all not been played, IIRC. That is 4/11, which = nearly half of FII. ;)
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Parts of Hell's Kitchen have been played, but the song itself has not been. You Not Me, Anna Lee and Take Away My Pain have all not been played, IIRC. That is 4/11, which = nearly half of FII. ;)
Oops, didn't catch the 'nearly', haha.
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New Millennium - 1997-8, 2002, 2004
You Not Me - January 1998 (three times IIRC)
Peruvian Skies - 1996-1998, 1999-00, maybe 02, 04, 04-06, 10 (once), 11
Hollow Years - 1999-00, 02-03, 04, 09-10
BMS - 1997-98, 96,02 ('96)
Hell's Kitchen - 1998 (four or five times, acoustic shows)
Lits - 96-98, 02, 07-08
TAMP - 96-98
Anna Lee - 1998
Trial Of Tears - 1997(?)-1998, 2004
They have all been played. :D
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They have all been played. :D
But not with Jordan, which is what Kev meant.
Going back to the Awake discussion, playing SDV (in every show, not just some one-off gig because otherwise I wouldn't see it) would be a good idea to celebrate the anniversary - it will have been 20 years, FFS! ;D
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Oh, I guess I didn't read as many posts as I should have :D If so, yes, only NM, PS, HY, parts of H'sK, LITS, JLMB and TOT. :blush
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Going back to the Awake discussion, playing SDV (in every show, not just some one-off gig because otherwise I wouldn't see it) would be a good idea to celebrate the anniversary - it will have been 20 years, FFS! ;D
My life would be complete :heart
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Welcome to five pages ago. :lol
I know, but I saw it starting up again, so I thought I'd chime in. hahaha :lol
;)
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Parts of Hell's Kitchen have been played, but the song itself has not been. You Not Me, Anna Lee and Take Away My Pain have all not been played, IIRC. That is 4/11, which = nearly half of FII. ;)
I don't consider 36% to be "nearly half". I'd call it "more than a third", maybe. :P
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Parts of Hell's Kitchen have been played, but the song itself has not been. You Not Me, Anna Lee and Take Away My Pain have all not been played, IIRC. That is 4/11, which = nearly half of FII. ;)
I don't consider 36% to be "nearly half". I'd call it "more than a third", maybe. :P
Exactly. And the examples given don't really further the argument anyway because:
-Hell's Kitchen: As pointed out, it has been partially played, and on more than one tour. The fact that the original hasn't been played from start to finish in awhile isn't really an issue. It's been played.
-You Not Me: Let's face it, the amount of people who actually like this song, both inside and outside the band, is relatively small. There isn't really any kind of serious demand for this song.
-Take Away My Pain: I really want to see this, but while it hasn't been played since Jordan joined, it has been played live. There are only so many ballads the band can really play live, so I get that some may be sparse rotation. It's time for this one to come back. But, again, it's not like they've never played it. They have.
-Anna Lee: Really, this is the only song where I truly see a valid argument. They should try to bring this one out. But, again, the problem still exists that there are only so many ballads you can put into a live set, and they have so many good ballads (maybe "slow song" is a better term than "ballad," but you get where I'm coming from) that I can understand this one being overlooked.
But really, DT do an exceptional job of reaching deep into the catalog to play the vast majority of their songs. They always have. Just because there may be a few exceptions does not take away from that.
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Parts of Hell's Kitchen have been played, but the song itself has not been. You Not Me, Anna Lee and Take Away My Pain have all not been played, IIRC. That is 4/11, which = nearly half of FII. ;)
I don't consider 36% to be "nearly half". I'd call it "more than a third", maybe. :P
Exactly. And the examples given don't really further the argument anyway because:
-Hell's Kitchen: As pointed out, it has been partially played, and on more than one tour. The fact that the original hasn't been played from start to finish in awhile isn't really an issue. It's been played.
-You Not Me: Let's face it, the amount of people who actually like this song, both inside and outside the band, is relatively small. There isn't really any kind of serious demand for this song.
-Take Away My Pain: I really want to see this, but while it hasn't been played since Jordan joined, it has been played live. There are only so many ballads the band can really play live, so I get that some may be sparse rotation. It's time for this one to come back. But, again, it's not like they've never played it. They have.
-Anna Lee: Really, this is the only song where I truly see a valid argument. They should try to bring this one out. But, again, the problem still exists that there are only so many ballads you can put into a live set, and they have so many good ballads (maybe "slow song" is a better term than "ballad," but you get where I'm coming from) that I can understand this one being overlooked.
But really, DT do an exceptional job of reaching deep into the catalog to play the vast majority of their songs. They always have. Just because there may be a few exceptions does not take away from that.
Nail on the head. Couldn't have said it better myself. :tup
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I'd be glad if they never brought Anna Lee back, to be honest...
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Parts of Hell's Kitchen have been played, but the song itself has not been. You Not Me, Anna Lee and Take Away My Pain have all not been played, IIRC. That is 4/11, which = nearly half of FII. ;)
I don't consider 36% to be "nearly half". I'd call it "more than a third", maybe. :P
Semantics aside ;), it is obvious that DT has done a great job over the years of covering most of their songs live, but it is overstating it to say that every DT song is a possibility to hear live at any show you go to. It wasn't that case when Portnoy was in the band, and it is certainly not that way now.
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I'd be glad if they never brought Anna Lee back, to be honest...
wut
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Does anyone think JP is recording his new solo album while they're recording DT12?
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There are times when I miss the 70's and 80's, when bands were hot and they would put out an album a year and sometimes 2 in
a single year. New music is like a drug. This modern approach (while good for bands with families) seems so slow.
Can you give examples of some of these bi-annual releases you reference?
Fly By Night and Caress of Steel by Rush were both released in '75.
Pretty sure Buckethead has everyone beat. These are his albums and the years they were released.
1992: Bucketheadland
1994: Giant Robot
1996: The Day of the Robot
1998: Colma
1999: Monsters and Robots
2001: Somewhere Over the Slaughterhouse
2002: Funnel Weaver
2002: Bermuda Triangle
2002: Electric Tears
2003: Bucketheadland 2
2004: Island of Lost Minds
2004: Population Override
2004: The Cuckoo Clocks of Hell
2005: Enter the Chicken
2005: Kaleidoscalp
2005: Inbred Mountain
2006: The Elephant Man's Alarm Clock
2006: Crime Slunk Scene
2007: Pepper's Ghost
2007: Decoding the Tomb of Bansheebot
2007: Cyborg Slunks
2008: Albino Slug
2009: Slaughterhouse on the Prairie
2009: A Real Diamond in the Rough
2009: Forensic Follies
2009: Needle in a Slunk Stack
2010: Shadows Between the Sky
2010: Spinal Clock
2010: Captain Eo's Voyage
2010: 3 Foot Clearance
2011: It's Alive
2011: Empty Space
2011: Underground Chamber
2011: Look Up There
2012: Electric Sea
2012: Balloon Cement
2012: The Shores of Molokai
2012: Racks
2012: March of the Slunks
2012: The Silent Picture Book
2013: Pike 11
2013: Pike 12
2013: Pike 14
2013: Pike 15
2013: Pike 13
How about Frank Zappa, Miles Davis, and John Zorn? Zappa is close to 100 official releases as of 2013, Miles released massive amounts of music, and Zorn has who-knows how many albums by now.
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Anxiously waiting for news.
I recently obtained SDoIT in the mail. :D
Here's something to chew on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9csZ5fr-3s
THIS is the real deal, amazing rhytmic work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPu5jOB69T8
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I'd be glad if they never brought Anna Lee back, to be honest...
Agreed. It's not a bad song, but doesn't really do anything to me. They could use that time to play some better ballad.
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I'd be glad if they never brought Anna Lee back, to be honest...
wut
I didn't stutter.
I'd be glad if they never brought Anna Lee back, to be honest...
Agreed. It's not a bad song, but doesn't really do anything to me. They could use that time to play some better ballad.
Exactly.
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They would need to re do Anna Lee somehow, similar to what they did with Hollow Years, taking the FII version from a Bottom 15 to a Live At Budokan version going to a Top 15.
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That'd be kind of difficult, don't you think? I mean, it IS Anna Lee after all...
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That'd be kind of difficult, don't you think? I mean, it IS Anna Lee after all...
:sadpanda:
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:xbones
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Anna Lee is fantastic.
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Anna Lee is fantastic.
Yes.
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Anna Lee is fantastic.
Yes.
Yes.
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Anna Lee is great. If I remember right, Portnoy said it was too tied to Derek to continue playing live, like SDV was to Kevin. Whether the current members feel that way, who knows.
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At least JP pointed out that it wasn't completely written by Derek in the 5YIALT commentary, but I don't know whether the current members care about that song nowadays, or at least enough to play it live.
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Anna Lee is fantastic.
Yes.
Yes.
This. I love that song.
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If I saw DT play Anna Lee live, that would be my bathroom break song, even if I didn't have to pee
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I don't mind Anna Lee, but I kinda wish it had been cut from the album to make room for Speak To Me.
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I don't mind Anna Lee, but I kinda wish it had been cut from the album to make room for Speak To Me.
You know... I'd be okay with this!
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Anna Lee is much better than Speak To Me. I can't say I like any of the cut songs from FII all that much. The only one I'd say is ok is RTK, and even that is pretty average.
And I'd like to hear Anna Lee live. :tup
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Meh...
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Anna Lee :heart Speak to Me is great, but they should have cut New Millenium and re-arranged the track order instead of cutting Anna Lee, if they wanted to change anything at all. FII is pretty darn perfect as it is, anyway.
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Anna Lee is average, at best.
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It's an OK song, but I overlook it a lot. When I feel like listening to some DT ballads I usually put on something else...
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Sorry, wrong post. Carry on.
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Sorry, wrong post. Carry on.
It took me a while to realize you were talking about To Live Forever. xD
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It's an OK song, but I overlook it a lot. When I feel like listening to some DT ballads I usually put on something else...
Pretty much anything else. It never did anything for me. If they were to bust out one of their more obscure ballads on the next tour, and I mean obscure in terms of the number of live performances over the years, they better go with Space-dye vest.
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Well, that's a given for me :tup
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If I saw DT play WAnna Pee live, that would be my bathroom break song, even if I didn't have to pee
Fix'd
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Sorry, wrong post. Carry on.
It took me a while to realize you were talking about To Live Forever. xD
Yeah, I signed in while on the TLF thread and ended up here for some reason, haha.
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On 2000 one of my best friends got married and used Anna Lee as the wedding song. Didn't expect that. It was a nice surprise.
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I already miss the Q and A's.
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I don't love Anna Lee, but I don't hate it. Jordan can add some leads to it, spice it up like they did Surrounded, it would be a lot better.
DT are so unpredictable live, I would never walk away during a song for fear I would miss something unique.
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Parts of Hell's Kitchen have been played, but the song itself has not been. You Not Me, Anna Lee and Take Away My Pain have all not been played, IIRC. That is 4/11, which = nearly half of FII. ;)
I don't consider 36% to be "nearly half". I'd call it "more than a third", maybe. :P
-You Not Me: Let's face it, the amount of people who actually like this song, both inside and outside the band, is relatively small. There isn't really any kind of serious demand for this song.
I'm championing a live rendition of the demo version You Or Me. I mentioned this to Portnoy at a M&G on the Progressive Nation tour, especially since his FII Official Bootleg liner notes talk about bringing it back. So that attempt didn't work out for me. I really am the small faction wanting to build a groundswell for this song.
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I like You Not Me. I think it's a cool song. I don't get the hate, really.
Also, I can vouch for Hollow Years being played. I was at the Black Clouds & Silver Linings tour in 2009 in Brisbane, Australia and they played Hollow Years. And actually, it was the strength & beauty of that performance that got me listening to not only Hollow Years a lot, but FII as a whole.
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I like You Not Me. I think it's a cool song. I don't get the hate, really.
So this.
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I'm championing a live rendition of the demo version You Or Me. I mentioned this to Portnoy at a M&G on the Progressive Nation tour, especially since his FII Official Bootleg liner notes talk about bringing it back. So that attempt didn't work out for me. I really am the small faction wanting to build a groundswell for this song.
I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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I like You Not Me. I think it's a cool song. I don't get the hate, really.
So this.
Mike Portnoy hated it, so all the fans went like OMG SUCH A CRAPPY SAWNG! As most of FII, which we know wasn't made by Portnoy's standards.
Of course, there are people who legitimately don't like it and that' fine; but I see that song as a standard radio rock-pop tune which isn't necessarily bad.
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Yeah. It's problem is that it's on a VERY strong album and therefore naturally somewhat falls to the weaker end, but it's still better than New Millennium and Just Let Me Breathe, which are the low points of FII for me, and even the latter is decent. YNM isn't really bad at all, it's just... nothing really exciting.
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I like You Not Me. I think it's a cool song. I don't get the hate, really.
So this.
Mike Portnoy hated it, so all the fans went like OMG SUCH A CRAPPY SAWNG! As most of FII, which we know wasn't made by Portnoy's standards.
Of course, there are people who legitimately don't like it and that' fine; but I see that song as a standard radio rock-pop tune which isn't necessarily bad.
I didn't dislike You Not Me that much until I heard You Or Me. You Or Me's chorus sounds like something DT would write, and frankly I think it's a ton catchier.
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Mike Portnoy hated it, so all the fans went like OMG SUCH A CRAPPY SAWNG! As most of FII, which we know wasn't made by Portnoy's standards.
Portnoy also expressed his indifference (or maybe even disliking) towards Space-dye vest, yet most of the fans absolutely adore it.
It would be a shame if fans immediately decided they didn't like something if the band didn't like what they did. If that were the case, I'd hate Atom heart mother like some Pink Floyd members. Musicians can be very hard on themselves sometimes...
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If I saw DT play Anna Lee live, that would be my bathroom break song, even if I didn't have to pee
WORD.
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Mike Portnoy hated it, so all the fans went like OMG SUCH A CRAPPY SAWNG! As most of FII, which we know wasn't made by Portnoy's standards.
Portnoy also expressed his indifference (or maybe even disliking) towards Space-dye vest, yet most of the fans absolutely adore it.
It would be a shame if fans immediately decided they didn't like something if the band didn't like what they did. If that were the case, I'd hate Atom heart mother like some Pink Floyd members. Musicians can be very hard on themselves sometimes...
And Rush fans would hate everything Rush did before Permanent Waves.
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Eh, Neil Peart is the only of the three to not have great love for most of Rush's 1970s material. And honestly, I think it's because he doesn't look back with fondness on the type of lyrics he wrote in their early days.
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Mike Portnoy hated it, so all the fans went like OMG SUCH A CRAPPY SAWNG! As most of FII, which we know wasn't made by Portnoy's standards.
Portnoy also expressed his indifference (or maybe even disliking) towards Space-dye vest, yet most of the fans absolutely adore it.
It would be a shame if fans immediately decided they didn't like something if the band didn't like what they did. If that were the case, I'd hate Atom heart mother like some Pink Floyd members. Musicians can be very hard on themselves sometimes...
I don't believe anyone is actually impressionable enough to base their opinion on the band's opinion. It's just one of those empty defenses to me. I thought Space Dye Vest was a borefest long before I ever knew MP's feelings on it (I wouldn't agree that most fans adore it anyway).
And I'm pretty sure any dislike for FII (and YNM) also started well before anyone knew MP's feelings on it. To be fair, YNM is an average song at best (and I mean by general standards, not by DT standards). It's not that bad, but at best it's still a bottom DT song, even if MP had said it's the greatest song ever written. And I'm probably one of the biggest FII fans here.
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I don't believe anyone is actually impressionable enough to base their opinion on the band's opinion. It's just one of those empty defenses to me. I thought Space Dye Vest was a borefest long before I ever knew MP's feelings on it (I wouldn't agree that most fans adore it anyway).
Well, I KNOW I've mentioned SDV and MP's dislike of it in the same breath here at DTF but honestly? It wasn't MP's opinion about it that molded mine. Like Blob, I formed my opinion about it well before I knew what MP's opinion was.
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I don't believe anyone is actually impressionable enough to base their opinion on the band's opinion. It's just one of those empty defenses to me. I thought Space Dye Vest was a borefest long before I ever knew MP's feelings on it (I wouldn't agree that most fans adore it anyway).
Well, I KNOW I've mentioned SDV and MP's dislike of it in the same breath here at DTF but honestly? It wasn't MP's opinion about it that molded mine. Like Blob, I formed my opinion about it well before I knew what MP's opinion was.
And most fans aren't as in the know as us DTF'ers are to the point of reading forums and knowing how each member feels about a song/album. Coming back to YNM, I can't say I've gotten the indication that its reputation is any higher in the general fanbase than it is here specifically.
I do agree that it doesn't deserve such hate (it's far too average to warrant such a negative reaction), but I don't see that MP plays into this one bit. People make up their own minds.
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Agreed with the current opinions being voiced. In the example of FII, people had always hated on it. Only after the strong (and unfair) reaction from fans did the band (or at least MP) come out with how they were against how the record turned out.
Likewise, John P has stated at different points in time that he felt both Octavarium and Systematic Chaos were the best DT albums, so obviously fans don't just agree with whatever the band say :biggrin:
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Every album is the greatest thing the band has ever done, according to the band, while it's being made and after its release. They're thrilled with the results, and know the fans will be, too. You know the drill.
Then a little time goes by and the excitement wears off, and some fans aren't thrilled with the results, and someone in the band says "Yeah well the label blah blah blah, and we really want to blah blah blah, but I guess blah blah blah".
And let's face it; many fans have strong enough opinions, but many are sheep. Everyone says the one song sucks, so it must suck. Didn't you hear? It's not what the band even wanted to do.
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Agreed with the current opinions being voiced. In the example of FII, people had always hated on it. Only after the strong (and unfair) reaction from fans did the band (or at least MP) come out with how they were against how the record turned out.
Yeah, when I got it, I had no idea what the band thought about it, and I did NOT like it at first. I had gotten Images back in 1992. And while I liked it a lot, I never bothered continuing to follow the band. I heard bits and pieces here and there, including hearing parts of A Change Of Seasons. But my next DT album wasn't until SFAM. After Scenes, I went back to fill in the back catalog. I loved I&W and SFAM. I ordered Awake and FII from Amazon at the same time, so I got them together. Listened to Awake first. Loved it (with the exception of CIAW and SDV). Listened to FII, and my reaction was, "oh...oh, wow. This is...not very good." It took me a little while to learn to appreciate it.
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FII is the only Dream Theater album I can't listen to. There's great songs on it for sure, but there's so many bad ones (and they're *really* bad), that I always wind up skipping them or turning the record off.
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I think the good songs on FII make up for the not-as-good ones.
Trial Of Tears
Hell's Kitchen
Lines In The Sand
Peruvian Skies
Hollow Years
New Millenium ( I like it ).
Bolded = some of DT's best material.
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FII is the only Dream Theater album I can't listen to. There's great songs on it for sure, but there's so many bad ones (and they're *really* bad), that I always wind up skipping them or turning the record off.
This. I got it on release day and was sorely disappointed. It still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, even though it has some of the best songs in their catalogue.
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I've always loved it.
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FII is probably the album that's grown on me the most. The only tracks I skip now are YNM and TAMP. New Millennium is one of my favourite opening tracks on any DT album!
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WDADU is the only album i've not heard due to it's reputation.
I think i started listening to track 1 once but gave up almost immediately due to the quality of the song and the production and the fact that it's not Labrie on vocals.
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You should force yourself to listen, there's some brilliant stuff on that album.
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You should force yourself to listen, there's some brilliant stuff on that album.
This.
FII is good, but certain songs drag it down and make it #8 in my album ranking.
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I personally don't think you're missing anything at all by avoiding WDADU, but I do think every DT album deserves a decent chance to really make up your own mind. And that means at least one listen through the entire album.
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FII is the only Dream Theater album I can't listen to. There's great songs on it for sure, but there's so many bad ones (and they're *really* bad), that I always wind up skipping them or turning the record off.
This. I got it on release day and was sorely disappointed. It still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, even though it has some of the best songs in their catalogue.
I got it on release day, too, but loved it right away. It sure helped that the opening keyboard line of Lines in the Sand had my jaw in the floor. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
WDADU is the only album i've not heard due to it's reputation.
I think i started listening to track 1 once but gave up almost immediately due to the quality of the song and the production and the fact that it's not Labrie on vocals.
Those were hurdles for me at first, too, but once I heard the live versions of several of the songs on Live at the Marquee, I was then able to enjoy WDADU more, and I still think it is better than several of their albums from the 00s.
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WDADU is the only album i've not heard due to it's reputation.
I think i started listening to track 1 once but gave up almost immediately due to the quality of the song and the production and the fact that it's not Labrie on vocals.
If you want to give it a try, try to get the remastered version. The original release is a really bad master that makes some songs sound cheap and annoying.
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WDADU is the only album i've not heard due to it's reputation.
I think i started listening to track 1 once but gave up almost immediately due to the quality of the song and the production and the fact that it's not Labrie on vocals.
If you want to give it a try, try to get the remastered version. The original release is a really bad master that makes some songs sound cheap and annoying.
Both versions are bad.
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Both are bad, but the original is way worse.
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I actually love FII, not sure what you could make of that lol
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I actually love FII, not sure what you could make of that lol
FII is a great album.
I didn't get into DT until years after it had been released, and had no idea what the general opinions on FII were when I first heard it. I've always gotten the impression that the more negative opinions of the album were very much a 'you had to be there' kind of thing that would have made more sense back in 1997.
As for WDADU, I've always felt that it's a collection of good to great songs, but with bad sound production and the wrong singer (nothing against Charlie, his voice is just more suited to other styles of music). I really wish they'd re-recorded it when James joined the band, but I understand why they wouldn't, and it's certainly possible that they actually couldn't. At least we have some good live versions of some of the songs.
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I love FII (it's my mom's favorite album) with the exception of the weaker tracks (You Not Me, Anna Lee). But even those are listenable.
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I love FII (it's my mom's favorite album) with the exception of the weaker tracks (You Not Me, Anna Lee). But even those are listenable.
I wish my mom had a favorite DT album :lol
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I love FII (it's my mom's favorite album) with the exception of the weaker tracks (You Not Me, Anna Lee). But even those are listenable.
I wish my mom had a favorite DT album :lol
Lol yeah I got my parents into them, they're in their late 50's.
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Yeah, FII is probably my dad's favourite album. He loves TAMP, but he doesn't know what the song is about. He likes YNM as well.
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About WDADU:
You can either get all the band's official live albums, and you'll have a majority of the album with JLB on vocals (and some of those live versions are kick ass).
Or you can get When Dream and Day Re-Unite, a YTSEJam album, which is the entire album performed live in 2004, plus a couple of bonus songs.
While the debut album isn't everyone's bag, there are at least a couple of songs, depending on your taste, that you shouldn't miss out on.
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Ytse Jam (it's a jam), The Killing Hand, and Only A Matter of Time are amazing.
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FII and SC are my wife's favorites
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I distinctly remember several instances of my mother and I jumping round the kitchen to various DT albums. I think Octavarium and ToT are her favourites.
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I still think it is better than several of their albums from the 00s.
Songwriting wise without question. You could even make an argument the lyrics are less corny too.
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FII is probably my third favorite DT album. Right behind SFAM and SDOIT
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Only I&W and Awake are *definitively* better as albums than FII.
SFAM, SDOIT, and ADTOE are all similar in quality; possibly better than FII, but if so not by much.
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I'd put FII above SC & BC&SL
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I'd put FII above SC & BC&SL
And the effects that drugs have had on your generation really make me sad.
:D
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I rank FII 5 or 6 places above Awake.
:dealwithit:
I'd put it 4th behind only SDOIT, SFAM, and IaW.
And I've forgotten why we're even discussing FII, but I don't care. :lol
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FII is probably my third favorite DT album. Right behind SFAM and SDOIT
Only I&W and Awake are *definitively* better as albums than FII.
SFAM, SDOIT, and ADTOE are all similar in quality; possibly better than FII, but if so not by much.
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I'd put FII above SC & BC&SL
I better stay out of this thread for a few pages, otherwise I'll say some offensive things that might get me banned...
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And I've forgotten why we're even discussing FII, but I don't care. :lol
Because in this thread you must discuss EVERYTHING BUT the upcoming DT album :lol
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I'd put FII above SC & BC&SL
You're a wise man.
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So, about the new album...
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Well JP should be tracking solos by now and James will probably start tracking vocals soon. I think this upcoming week may be DT's last in the studio. Almost there!
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So, about the new album...
We don't even know the title of the album, the songs, or the new artwork, there's no reason for us to speculate. :neverusethis:
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So, about the new album...
We don't even know the title of the album, the songs, or the new artwork, there's no reason for us to speculate. :neverusethis:
It will be called "12:21" and the whole album will be a palindrome.
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" For our twelfth studio album - we decided to look into the concept of mirror images. Maybe the whole album could be a palindrome.
We wrote 37 and a half minutes of music and then reversed the entire thing in Pro Tools and learned the music for real. "
" We thought it would be a very interesting idea and bring new meaning to the concept of the mirror now that Portnoy is longer in the band going on and on and on about mirror this and mirror that." Jordan Rudeess said in an interview with The Daily Mirror.
" It's called '12:21' and as a result - we didn't want to rush this one like we have done in the past ." Jordan went on to say.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/
For the artwork - so-called artist Hugh Syme looked in a mirror and took a photo. He then smothered it in stock images and charged his usual fee.
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:rollin :caffeine:
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Uh, not bad. Would like it :tup
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I better stay out of this thread for a few pages, otherwise I'll say some offensive things that might get me banned...
That seems kind of silly.
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So, about the new album...
We don't even know the title of the album, the songs, or the new artwork, there's no reason for us to speculate. :neverusethis:
It will be called "12:21" and the whole album will be a palindrome.
Track List:
Dogma: I am God
Never odd or even
Too bad – I hid a boot
Rats live on no evil star
No trace; not one carton
Was it Eliot's toilet I saw?
Murder for a jar of red rum
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:clap:
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:slowclap:
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Hidden bonus track: Racecar :neverusethis:
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Racecar Madam, I'm Adam racecaR.
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https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35334.0
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I'm also expecting a concept album from the guys this time. Don't know why! Labrie said not long ago they were considering that option as long as the final product was at least similar to SFAM.
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I'm also expecting a concept album from the guys this time. Don't know why! Labrie said not long ago they were considering that option as long as the final product was at least similar to SFAM.
Plus MP said him and JP were planning on making the follow up to BC&SL a concept album, but we all knew what happened then...
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It would be great.
NEW MUSIC AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
As a soon to be college music major (I'm probably going to die), I am too hyped.
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"Rats live on no evil star"...that's a Ringo Deathstarr song...a shoegaze band I just got into.
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A concept DOUBLE album.
That will explain why they've taken 2 weeks longer to write it ;D
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"Never Odd Or Even" would be the single from 12:21. And it wouldn't have any odd or even measures. :metal
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7:34 of free form.
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Since we're speculating about song names now, I'll just take mine from https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35334.msg1578299#msg1578299:
Clouds Above the Castle
CD 1:
1: Angel in Disguise (10:12)
2: Red Trees/Diseased/Globes of Light (15:29) *story, lyrics by JM*
3: Wooden War (4:59)
4: Rain Over Mountains (5:26) *ballad*
5: Frozen Winds (8:12)
6: Stared Down (6:59)
7: Overcast (10:12)
8: The Time is Now Again (4:42)
CD 2: (concept side)
1: Dusk's Departure (7:54)
It becomes pitch black outside as midnight approaches.
2: Iron Stampede (6:13)
*instrumental* Nightly train ride.
3:Clouds Above the Castle (24:11)
i Forest Silhouette (4:51)
A silhouette of a castle is spotted after exiting the train, we go to investigate.
ii Lamplight (7:05)
*Think the very beginning of Crimson Sunrise would sound like this* There are lamps around the castle.
iii Candlelight (4:07)
*ballad* We take candles and are about to enter the castle.
iv A Slow Entry (4:39)
We slowly enter the castle.
v GHOSTS! (2:23)
GHOSTS!
vi A Hasty Exit (1:06)
We quickly leave.
4: Deep Breath/Truce (9:15)
The ghosts meet us outside and apologize for scaring us. Of course we're free to go.
5: Dawn's Arrival (4:43)
*ballad* The sun can be seen.
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I like it, but it sounds more like Transatlantic to me.
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I know it's only a pipe dream, but can you imagine the brouhaha it would create if KM played a guest solo on the new CD?
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Brouhaha? Balderdash!
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I know it's only a pipe dream, but can you imagine the brouhaha it would create if KM played a guest solo on the new CD?
They've got far too much to make up for after ADTOE for me to tolerate that on top of it. More like a pipe bomb nightmare.
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I know it's only a pipe dream, but can you imagine the brouhaha it would create if KM played a guest solo on the new CD?
I couldn't stop chuckling.
But that's just REALLY impossible. Like, there's 0.00000000000001% chances of that happening, and it wouldn't really contribute to anything except the brouhaha :lol
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He would probably be captivated by Mike's solar attitude! :laugh:
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But that's just REALLY impossible. Like, there's 0.00000000000001% chances of that happening, and it wouldn't really contribute to anything except the brouhaha :lol
Hey, he has been doing a lot of guest spots lately :biggrin: But yeah, not gonna happen.
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The new album is going to by a music adaptation of the novel Les Miserables. They just felt that the story would probably lend itself well to music.
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The new album is going to by a music adaptation of the novel Les Miserables. They just felt that the story would probably lend itself well to music.
:rollin
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Brouhaha? Balderdash!
Ballyhoo
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Brouhaha? Balderdash!
Ballyhoo
Rapscallions ! >:( >:(
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Brouhaha? Balderdash!
Ballyhoo
Rapscallions ! >:( >:(
Oh come on man... It's only talk... :P
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Brouhaha? Balderdash!
Ballyhoo
Rapscallions ! >:( >:(
Oh come on man... It's only talk... :P
I just got reminded of the BC&SL elephants. Why does no-one ever talk about the elephants. :(
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Egotistical pachyderms ! Wo do they think they are ?!
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Oh come on man... It's only talk... :P
:metal
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Brouhaha? Balderdash!
Ballyhoo
Rapscallions ! >:( >:(
Oh come on man... It's only talk... :P
I just got reminded of the BC&SL elephants. Why does no-one ever talk about the elephants. :(
So you're saying everyone's avoiding the elephant in the room? :neverusethis:
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I was gonna go with that but I assumed that the joke was subtly implied in Gaspar's post.
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See DT!! A prime example on what's happening with a thread when you don't release any album info....we all go bananas! I hope you're proud of yourselfs DT....
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The joke I was making was actually referring to Elephant Talk by King Crimson, one of the lyrics is "it's all talk" or "it's only talk", can't remember which. :lol
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The joke I was making was actually referring to Elephant Talk by King Crimson, one of the lyrics is "it's all talk" or "it's only talk", can't remember which. :lol
I think it depends on the verse.
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The joke I was making was actually referring to Elephant Talk by King Crimson, one of the lyrics is "it's all talk" or "it's only talk", can't remember which. :lol
I think it depends on the verse.
What Sketch said - and, it's what I was referring to as well.
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https://twitter.com/JPetrucci/status/339858419219574784 (https://twitter.com/JPetrucci/status/339858419219574784)
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John Petrucci
In the home stretch on the DT sessions! All vocals are done. Cutting solos.
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AHMAIGAHD
Seems like we're going to get a similar schedule like ADToE!
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I'm guessing the tracking will be all done in about a week then.
That leaves June for Mixing and Mastering.
About Three months of promo.
The CD should be out in September.
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When he says home stretch does he mean that he's recording the solos at home? I wasn't aware he had a home studio with all the adequate recording devices for a studio album.
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When he says home stretch does he mean that he's recording the solos at home? I wasn't aware he had a home studio with all the adequate recording devices for a studio album.
Not sure if joking or serious. Home stretch refers to nearing the end.
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When he says home stretch does he mean that he's recording the solos at home? I wasn't aware he had a home studio with all the adequate recording devices for a studio album.
It means he's doing a week of stretching at home in preparation for the solos.
They're THAT fast that even JP needs to warm up.
Yes.
Be very afraid.
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When he says home stretch does he mean that he's recording the solos at home? I wasn't aware he had a home studio with all the adequate recording devices for a studio album.
Not sure if joking or serious. Home stretch refers to nearing the end.
I'm serious. You know that I'm still learning to express myself as well as understand the way others express themselves in your language :blush
I must be honest, I have never seen that expression before, and just linked to home as in home. Carry on :blush
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When he says home stretch does he mean that he's recording the solos at home? I wasn't aware he had a home studio with all the adequate recording devices for a studio album.
Not sure if joking or serious. Home stretch refers to nearing the end.
home•stretch (ˈhoʊmˈstrɛtʃ)
n.
1. the straight part of a racetrack from the last turn to the finish line. Compare backstretch.
2. the final phase of any endeavor.
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p.s. It's actually not that hard to record at home these days.
I have an iMac with Logic 9 - an audio interface and a Blackstar Head with an emulated output.
Recording at home is an absolute doddle.
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p.s. It's actually not that hard to record at home these days.
I have an iMac with Logic 9 - an audio interface and a Blackstar Head with an emulated output.
Recording at home is an absolute doddle.
But would you consider the result to be fitting of the standards of quality required for a studio release by a major band?
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When he says home stretch does he mean that he's recording the solos at home? I wasn't aware he had a home studio with all the adequate recording devices for a studio album.
Not sure if joking or serious. Home stretch refers to nearing the end.
I'm serious. You know that I'm still learning to express myself as well as understand the way others express themselves in your language :blush
I must be honest, I have never seen that expression before, and just linked to home as in home. Carry on :blush
That's cool, Marco. Your English is excellent.
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p.s. It's actually not that hard to record at home these days.
I have an iMac with Logic 9 - an audio interface and a Blackstar Head with an emulated output.
Recording at home is an absolute doddle.
But would you consider the result to be fitting of the standards of quality required for a studio release by a major band?
I'll let you be the judge of that.
https://davidoakes.bandcamp.com/track/the-fire-in-the-sky :)
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I must be honest, I have never seen that expression before, and just linked to home as in home. Carry on :blush
Same.
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You could also say The Final Furlong.
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Maybe by home stretch he means a 20-minute version of Home.
Metropolis Pt. 3, called it
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Maybe by home stretch he means a 20-minute version of Home.
Metropolis Pt. 3, called it
I don't doubt a Metropolis Pt. 3, there's quite a bit of evidence:
Death (of Mike Portnoy, metaphorically) is only a transition... Now is the time for regeneration.
re-generation as in Edward/Nicholas are reincarnated.
What better way to show off the actual skill of a drummer than to make a concept album?
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Seeing as Part 1 was always a joke and they've always said they'll never do a part 3 i doubt it.
It'll be about time I think.
12 hours on the clock etc. :p
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Seeing as Part 1 was always a joke and they've always said they'll never do a part 3 i doubt it.
It'll be about time I think.
12 hours on the clock etc. :p
Oh, the nuggetz we'll probably experience on this album...
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p.s. It's actually not that hard to record at home these days.
I have an iMac with Logic 9 - an audio interface and a Blackstar Head with an emulated output.
Recording at home is an absolute doddle.
But would you consider the result to be fitting of the standards of quality required for a studio release by a major band?
I recorded my song at home and it doesn't sound great because I'm very amateurish at mixing, but I know that some people record full albums at home and they sound great - OSI is a good example ;)
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I'm fully convinced.
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p.s. It's actually not that hard to record at home these days.
I have an iMac with Logic 9 - an audio interface and a Blackstar Head with an emulated output.
Recording at home is an absolute doddle.
But would you consider the result to be fitting of the standards of quality required for a studio release by a major band?
I'll let you be the judge of that.
https://davidoakes.bandcamp.com/track/the-fire-in-the-sky :)
i really enjoyed that fella :metal
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Thanks very much :). Album is free btw ;)
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John Petrucci
In the home stretch on the DT sessions! All vocals are done. Cutting solos.
:woot:
BUT... I have a bad feeling that DT12 will be released before LALP. :|
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John Petrucci
In the home stretch on the DT sessions! All vocals are done. Cutting solos.
:woot:
BUT... I have a bad feeling that DT12 will be released before LALP. :|
That's not a bad thing. It would be bad if they also delayed the album to make it's release after the DVD.
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True, but it kind of renders LALP obsolete if DT12 comes out before it. Eh... could just be my weird brain though...
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True, but it kind of renders LALP obsolete if DT12 comes out before it. Eh... could just be my weird brain though...
Probably. One is a studio album, the other is a convert DVD, they're both vastly different experiences.
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True, but it kind of renders LALP obsolete if DT12 comes out before it. Eh... could just be my weird brain though...
Probably. One is a studio album, the other is a convert DVD, they're both vastly different experiences.
So you're saying it's being released in a different format? :neverusethis:
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Not really obsolete, but a lot of us were looking forward to Live at Luna Park to fill our "new DT" fix while waiting for the new album. If the concert vid doesn't come out until after the new album, which is what it's looking like now, then it's like we'll have the new album and be listening to it a lot and all that, and then later this vid comes out of the tour from the previous album, nearly two years prior. It'll just be kinda weird.
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Eh, I don't see the big deal if the next studio album comes out before the Luna Park Blu-Ray/DVD. Besides, if the album is out and they are already starting touring when the Luna Park release hits stores, that could drive up sales of both, especially with the holiday season shortly thereafter.
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Plus if album 12 makes a lot of new fans - then a DVD comes out shortly after - they're gonna want to check that out - and then maybe go see them on tour after that as well.
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All of your points are good.
I don't care which comes out first. DT12 would be the first new album to come out while I'm a fan of the band, after all, I didn't become a real fan of DT until the early summer of 2012.
I was looking up Rush-related radio on Last.fm, and this strange-named song (Octavarium) came on, and I listened to it for a while.
Talk about immersion.
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It definitely doesn't render Luna Park obsolete.
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Porcupine Tree's Anesthetize DVD came after The Incident hit the stores, it isn't really as apocalyptic as some people make it look like.
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I don't see any problem with when they come out relative to each other. One is a live album of material everyone knows, but hasn't heard these live renditions, one is a studio album of new material nobody has heard before. If the live album comes out after the album, it's not going to matter.
One does not impact the other, unless someone happens to be strapped for cash and can only afford one in a certain time period. If anything, it would keep the interest high for a little while having both released around the same time.
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Well Live at Luna Park is coming out in November.
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Well Live at Luna Park is coming out in November.
Have you got a source on that?
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What if they experience some audio problems with the studio tracks? Are they gonna overdub?
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Well Live at Luna Park is coming out in November.
Have you got a source on that?
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Well Live at Luna Park is coming out in November.
Have you got a source on that?
Well, fuck me.
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DT album is officially wrapped! Looking forward to the mix.
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Album release info soon! :yarr
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I can't believe the new album is gonna come out before the ADTOE dvd. Seems backwards. But what can ya do. Can't wait to get some info (song titles, artwork, song clips etc.) for the new album! I'm sure it's gonna be amazing, as always.
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Wait, DT is recording a new album?
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What, Charlie left the band?
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Whoa, they're no longer Majesty?
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What, Portnoy stop delivering chinese food? WTF? ???
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What, John Myung doesn't like the violin?
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Eh, I don't see the big deal if the next studio album comes out before the Luna Park Blu-Ray/DVD. Besides, if the album is out and they are already starting touring when the Luna Park release hits stores, that could drive up sales of both, especially with the holiday season shortly thereafter.
Eh, I don't see the big deal if the next studio album comes out before the Luna Park Blu-Ray/DVD. Besides, if the album is out and they are already starting touring when the Luna Park release hits stores, that could drive up sales of both, especially with the holiday season shortly thereafter.
True, but these same fans could balk if there's nothing from DT12 on LALP.
HOWEVER - I also understand the point about The Incident and the Anesthetize DVD. Just... don't mind me, I'll shut up about it. :)
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People how pointed it out multiple times how Porcupine Tree had a similar situation and it wasn't a big deal. You know what? I'm happy we got a release date for the DVD and that the new album is essentially finished and that we'll get a release date for that soon. That's all I could ask for. I just don't care when they come out in relation to each other because it really does not matter, considering they will likely be spaced at least a month or two apart from each other.
EDIT: Does anyone know who will be mixing/mastering this album and what a general timeframe would look like in order to get the mixing/mastering finished (in general)?
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PLEASE don't get me wrong - I'm beyond thrilled that they finally announced the release date as well. My brain just works really weirdly sometimes is all. :)
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People how pointed it out multiple times how Porcupine Tree had a similar situation and it wasn't a big deal. You know what? I'm happy we got a release date for the DVD and that the new album is essentially finished and that we'll get a release date for that soon. That's all I could ask for. I just don't care when they come out in relation to each other because it really does not matter, considering they will likely be spaced at least a month or two apart from each other.
EDIT: Does anyone know who will be mixing/mastering this album and what a general timeframe would look like in order to get the mixing/mastering finished (in general)?
I'm guessing a month for mix / master.
I think the Album will be out late August - Mid September.
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I'm even more excited for the album now! As long as they both come out I will be happy. In order to curb my DT hunger, I may decide to purchase the Bucharest official bootleg and have that be my "new DT" until the album.
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And perhaps a single *soon*ish.
Currently all I want right now is a single. :x
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Maybe the DVD was delayed to add footage of recording the album, or maybe a new music video?
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When did OTBOA come out? June? Shouldn't be too long before we get something
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You guys complain about them being so close. I'm happy cause I get live ADTOE, and maybe a new album.
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:lol
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Maybe the DVD was delayed to add footage of recording the album, or maybe a new music video?
They did film stuff.
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You guys complain about them being so close. I'm happy cause I get live ADTOE, and maybe a new album.
Exactly. It's not very hard being a DT fan.
It didn't seem that long ago I was buying SC when it came out or looking up the track titles for BC&SL when that came out.
This is a band who lost a founder member and STILL put out a new album within two years.
When Jason quit Metallica - they didn't even look for a replacement for two years. . .
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What if they decide to always put more stuff on it because there's always something new? Will that mean there will be a 30-box set at the end of their career? Will the box set be a large black monolith with the dimensions 1:4:9?
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I can imagine Portnoy sniffing around at the base of it - hitting it with a drumstick and screeching.
What if they decide to always put more stuff on it because there's always something new? Will that mean there will be a 30-box set at the end of their career? Will the box set be a large black monolith with the dimensions 1:4:9?
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I just hope the hysteria of the live album coming out after the new studio album dies down by the time the new album comes out, because, well, it's a brand new DT studio album!!!
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An in studio videoclip would be cool! I still love the TDEN clip!
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An in studio videoclip would be cool! I still love the TDEN clip!
Yeah I enjoyed that video too, they should do it again!
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We probably have less than a month before we hear some stuff from the new album.
EDIT: When was the album finished but not mixed during ADToE's creation? With an approximate date I can figure out how much closer or further a single is from being released.
OtBoA was released Jun 28. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasnbzEMV08
The new album's content was finished in creation Jun 1st. If we can remember when ADToE was finished, then find the difference between jun 1st and the newoniHSDGIUAFHKJLAiuafhgiafiuhaiur
It doesn't matter. We'll probably get a single within a month.
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We'll probably get a single within a month.
I doubt that.
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On April 14, LaBrie began tracking vocals and the album's mixing and mastering by Andy Wallace were finished by June 28
I'd say we're on course for DT 12 to be finished by June 28 again.
July 1st easily.
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We'll probably get a single within a month.
I doubt that.
And even if we don't, we should get the name of the album and track list within a week or two. That information will make it blindingly obvious if the album is a concept album or not. (not necessarily though.) ANYTHING we find out ABOUT the album is worth chewing on. (as you can see I'm a little impatient)
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We'll probably get a single within a month.
I doubt that.
And even if we don't, we should get the name of the album and track list within a week or two. That information will make it blindingly obvious if the album is a concept album or not. (not necessarily though.) ANYTHING we find out ABOUT the album is worth chewing on. (as you can see I'm a little impatient)
Unless they don't release that info as not to give it away!
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We'll probably get a single within a month.
I doubt that.
And even if we don't, we should get the name of the album and track list within a week or two.
Why do you think that?
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We'll probably get a single within a month.
I doubt that.
And even if we don't, we should get the name of the album and track list within a week or two.
Why do you think that?
Facebook, Jun 7th, 2011, John Petrucci:
Hi everyone. It's official. The album title and track listing for the new DT album is:
A Dramatic Turn of Events
1. On the Backs of Angels
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
3. Lost Not Forgotten
4. This is the Life
5. The Shaman’s Trance
6. Outcry
7. Far From Heaven
8. Breaking All Illusions
9. Beneath The Surface
Stay tuned for more information on www.dreamtheater.net tomorrow morning!
JP
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When was that in relation to the last day of recording?
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When was that in relation to the last day of recording?
"On my way to meet Andy and begin the mix. Beautiful day!" was on Jun 3, 2011.
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Only four days to do the mix? Huh. I guess we can expect info in a week then.
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Only four days to do the mix? Huh. I guess we can expect info in a week then.
Just cause they released the track list and the album title, doesn't mean they were finished with the mix. I'm sure it took two or three weeks to mix ADTOE in it's entirety. They might mix the first single first so it's possible to release it before the whole album mix is finished though. Unlikely, but possible.
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When was that in relation to the last day of recording?
"On my way to meet Andy and begin the mix. Beautiful day!" was on Jun 3, 2011.
That is not synonymous with the last day of recording.
IIRC, the final mix wasn't done until the end of June.
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Both the mixing and the mastering had been completed by June 28: https://twitter.com/JPetrucci/status/85735011151650816
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Both the mixing and the mastering had been completed by June 28: https://twitter.com/JPetrucci/status/85735011151650816
The single was released a day after that, we could probably expect the same thing for this album.
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Both the mixing and the mastering had been completed by June 28: https://twitter.com/JPetrucci/status/85735011151650816
The single was released a day after that, we could probably expect the same thing for this album.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. The only reason they released a single immediately after the album was mixed and mastered was because they had the first show with Mangini in less than a week after the single was released and that they wanted people to know the new song before they played it live for the entire summer festival leg.
We know the band is not playing any shows or festivals at least until the fall, so I see no reason that they have to release a single earlier than the actual release date of the album. That being said, I still expect a single to be released before the actual release of the album, but I doubt the release of the single will immediately follow the mixing/mastering being finished.
Only four days to do the mix? Huh. I guess we can expect info in a week then.
Just cause they released the track list and the album title, doesn't mean they were finished with the mix. I'm sure it took two or three weeks to mix ADTOE in it's entirety. They might mix the first single first so it's possible to release it before the whole album mix is finished though. Unlikely, but possible.
Yea, I should have considered the mixing period that I suggested was WAY too short. It is cool that we might get some album information before the mixing and mastering will be finished.
I'm sure they have a track listing, track names, and an album name already ready to go at this point in the process.
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First, tracklisting/album name. Second, a single.
AHHHH WHY CAN'T TIME GO FASTER
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I'm sure they have a track listing, track names, and an album name already ready to go at this point in the process.
I concur.
I guess we can say it's.... only a matter of time
;D
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I'm hoping for AT LEAST 8 tracks.
10 or more will be a real treat.
Please no less than 8.
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Someone mentioned that ADTOE has 9 songs, and SFAM has 9 scenes. If we follow the cycle, this new album will be Rising Out of Nothing. :D
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the new album has the same amount of songs as Falling Into Infinity for the circle to continue?
FII - 11 songs
SFAM - 12 songs, 9 scenes
SDOIT - 6 songs
ToT - 7 songs
Octavarium - 8 songs
SC - 7 songs
BC&SL - 6 songs
ADTOE - 9 songs
DT12 - 11 songs?
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That will do nicely ! :)
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That would be wonderful.
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What happens when the circle is complete? No more new Dream Theater albums? :sadpanda:
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Then album 13 will have 9 songs.
Album 14 will have 6 songs
Album 15 will have 7 songs and
Album 16 will have 8 songs - Which is 8 x 2
:omg:
It all adds up !!!!
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Album 16 will be a double concept album about a double helix :P
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the new album has the same amount of songs as Falling Into Infinity for the circle to continue?
FII - 11 songs
SFAM - 12 songs, 9 scenes
SDOIT - 6 songs
ToT - 7 songs
Octavarium - 8 songs
SC - 7 songs
BC&SL - 6 songs
ADTOE - 9 songs
DT12 - 11 songs?
It has been said already, but I refuse to accept any theory that marks Octavarium as the pinnacle of the band's career.
Though it would be nice to have something around 11 songs.
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I've been thinking a lot about that. It will be the first thing I check when we get the track list :D
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Rich Chycki will mix the album https://twitter.com/chycki/status/340627843790819329
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Then album 13 will have 9 songs.
Album 14 will have 6 songs
Album 15 will have 7 songs and
Album 16 will have 8 songs - Which is 8 x 2
:omg:
It all adds up !!!!
Actually, DT12 and DT 13 should have 11 tracks or songs on it, while DT 14 and DT 15 should have 8. DT 16 should have 6 (to mirror The Majesty Demos). Anything after that...is up in the air!
-Marc.
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So no Paul Northfield this time.
It should at least sound different to ADToE then.
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So no Paul Northfield this time.
It should at least sound different to ADToE then.
If I am remembering correctly, Northfield didn't mix ADToE either. I believe it was Andy Wallace.
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So no Paul Northfield this time.
It should at least sound different to ADToE then.
If I am remembering correctly, Northfield didn't mix ADToE either. I believe it was Andy Wallace.
Mangenius' math brain should make the album sound much different anyways
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I thought Northfield *engineered* ADToE.
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I thought Northfield *engineered* ADToE.
Did he? Maybe he did. My memory is quite fallible at times.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Northfield
Yes he did.
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I must admit, I'm somewhat unclear on the technical differences between engineering and mixing.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the new album has the same amount of songs as Falling Into Infinity for the circle to continue?
FII - 11 songs
SFAM - 12 songs, 9 scenes
SDOIT - 6 songs
ToT - 7 songs
Octavarium - 8 songs
SC - 7 songs
BC&SL - 6 songs
ADTOE - 9 songs
DT12 - 11 songs?
It has been said already, but I refuse to accept any theory that marks Octavarium as the pinnacle of the band's career.
Though it would be nice to have something around 11 songs.
I consider this whole theory a running joke. It's hilarious how perfect this has been, despite it being a massive coincidence.
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I must admit, I'm somewhat unclear on the technical differences between engineering and mixing.
They both have ways to affect the final product's sound, although one could argue the mixing is a larger factor on the album's final sonic product. The engineering mostly focuses on the way things are recorded and the mixing is changing levels of tracks to reflect an overall general sound of a song/album.
Disclaimer: I realized I have really simplified these processes, to avoid writing more than one sentence.
EDIT: My apologies to the mods for the double-post.
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I must admit, I'm somewhat unclear on the technical differences between engineering and mixing.
They both have ways to affect the final product's sound, although one could argue the mixing is a larger factor on the album's final sonic product. The engineering mostly focuses on the way things are recorded and the mixing is changing levels of tracks to reflect an overall general sound of a song/album.
Disclaimer: I realized I have really simplified these processes, to avoid writing more than one sentence.
EDIT: My apologies to the mods for the double-post.
I see. Thank you, I think I have gained a portion of understanding.
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What Quagmire said.
A producer will tell the engineer how to make it sound and doesn't always have any technical ability at the desk.
The Engineer is basically a knob-twiddler and operates the desk and adds the FX like reverb etc. Plus technical stuff like compression.
Mixing is basically making every drum on the kit sound level, making the bass sit with the drums. making the rhythm guitars a nice level to the bass etc etc.
Mastering is taking that final mix and adding final overall compression and EQ to the Left and Right stereo mix to give it a bit of sheen and punch.
:)
Some guys do everything like Chris Sheldon ( therapy? )
Whilst some people are just producers who use trusted engineers ( Bob Rock & Randy Staub )
And some people are just producers who do next to fuck all and take all the credit at the end.
( Rick Rubin & i'm assuming the plethora of rap producers who despite working with a huge team of people, make it sound like it was knocked
up in 5 minutes in cubase. :lol )
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Meh. I kinda wonder why DT keep going for these guys. I mean, Clockwork Angels was a pretty good album, but it surely didn't sound great. But there's DT for you, using the guy Rush just used, regardless of whatever :D
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Let's hope that DT never adopt Rush's work ethic.
Ha. Rush. How ironic. Five albums in 20 years :lol
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Let's hope that DT never adopt Rush's work ethic.
Ha. Rush. How ironic. Five albums in 20 years :lol
It's obvious they're slowing down
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With 20 albums that seems a well-earned luxury I would think.
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I consider this whole theory a running joke. It's hilarious how perfect this has been, despite it being a massive coincidence.
I'm with RMV - giggity.
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So no Paul Northfield this time.
It should at least sound different to ADToE then.
If I am remembering correctly, Northfield didn't mix ADToE either. I believe it was Andy Wallace.
Yeah Andy Wallace did the mix, Northfield was the engineer.
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So no Paul Northfield this time.
It should at least sound different to ADToE then.
If I am remembering correctly, Northfield didn't mix ADToE either. I believe it was Andy Wallace.
Mangenius' math brain should make the album sound much different anyways
(https://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn431/Moriel_Alcaril/reaction/tumblr_mej3zaZKfH1qd35j6o3_250_zpsb2dfd5ff.gif)
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What Quagmire said.
The Engineer is basically a knob-twiddler and operates the desk and adds the FX like reverb etc. Plus technical stuff like compression.
Well no, there's a huge amount more in engineering than that. You need to get microphone placement correct amongst other things, and that takes a bloody age usually. There's a lot of twanging whatever, deciding that it needs more of something or other, moving the microphone and re-iterating the entire process. Yes, the engineer is also the one who works the knobs, but there's a ton more to it than just that.
Mixing is also where a lot of tweaking with putting effects such as reverb, filters and EQ in, not just getting the levels right. Even if the levels are "right", you can still have one thing trampling over everything or being trampled over if you don't apply the correct stuff to it in the mixing stage. Mixing takes a hell of a lot of practice to get right, and has the potential to be horribly influenced by what room or kit the mixer uses.
It's especially un-simple in prog, where different sections of a single song have the potential to require vastly different mixes. I remember around the time Spock's Beard released X, one of the Beard guys saying that getting everything to change the right amount at the right rate between sections of longer songs meant that mixing a thirty second transition took roughly the same amount of time as an entire five minute song of a more straightforward nature.
The technical side of music is just as, if not even more complex and difficult than the writing and playing it.
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Let's hope that DT never adopt Rush's work ethic.
Ha. Rush. How ironic. Five albums in 20 years :lol
Take 6 years out of that 20 for Neils souls searching after loosing his daughter and wife in a 9 month period. We as fans were lucky Rush even came back.
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Let's hope that DT never adopt Rush's work ethic.
Ha. Rush. How ironic. Five albums in 20 years :lol
DT can only hope to have Rush's work ethic once they are all in their 50s. It is foolish to suggest that Rush doesn't have an incredible work ethic. Except for the hiatus from the summer of 1997-the end of 2000 (they started writing and recording Vapor Trails at the beginning of '01), which was understandable considering what Neil Peart went through, Rush has worked almost non-stop for 40 years. Good luck finding another band who has had their work ethic for that many years. DT's work ethic has been pretty stellar, too, for over 20 years now, but they still have a long way to go before they can touch Rush's.
As for five albums in 20 years, it is technically six if you count Feedback (from 1993-2012), and besides, the guys are pushing 60 and yet Clockwork Angels is better than anything DT has released in the last 10 years, IMO.
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Clockwork Angels is better than anything DT has released in the last 10 years, IMO.
Yup. Not to rag on Octavarium fans, "metal" era fans or ADTOE fans, but I completely agree with this. And I'm a pretty casual Rush fan.
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Clockwork angels is fantastic, but it still doesn't beat A Dramatic turn of events. ;D
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Haven't heard Clockwork Angels yet (saving the best to the last... I hope so ;)), but I prefer Snakes & Arrows to anything DT has done since... um, Awake.
And I don't think DT is able to put out an album every second year when the guys are on their sixties.
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Just as long as they don't turn into TOOL who take a minimum of 5 years between albums and each time promise that the next album will be out sooner and take even longer than before.
I don't see them ever taking 5 years or more to make an album as they're not as financially comfortable yet as some bigger bands who can do that. It's still their livelihood and I think they'll want a few albums with mangini under their belt before they slow down.
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Let's hope that DT never adopt Rush's work ethic.
Ha. Rush. How ironic. Five albums in 20 years :lol
DT can only hope to have Rush's work ethic once they are all in their 50s. It is foolish to suggest that Rush doesn't have an incredible work ethic. Except for the hiatus from the summer of 1997-the end of 2000 (they started writing and recording Vapor Trails at the beginning of '01), which was understandable considering what Neil Peart went through, Rush has worked almost non-stop for 40 years. Good luck finding another band who has had their work ethic for that many years. DT's work ethic has been pretty stellar, too, for over 20 years now, but they still have a long way to go before they can touch Rush's.
As for five albums in 20 years, it is technically six if you count Feedback (from 1993-2012), and besides, the guys are pushing 60 and yet Clockwork Angels is better than anything DT has released in the last 10 years, IMO.
JLB is 50 I think.
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And Jordan is mid 50's by now !
Both the john's are still mid 40 so they'll be able to play a while longer.
I don't know if playing Keyboard will be that much of a strain on rudess as he gets older.
He may switch to more touch sensitive keys that are easier to shred on.
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Clockwork Angels is better than anything DT has released in the last 10 years, IMO.
Yup. Not to rag on Octavarium fans, "metal" era fans or ADTOE fans, but I completely agree with this. And I'm a pretty casual Rush fan.
I love Octavarium, but you can't really beat the title track. I turn by headphones all the way up so 0:31 blasts my ears out, I get goosebumps, and I explode.
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Clockwork Angels is better than anything DT has released in the last 10 years, IMO.
Yup. Not to rag on Octavarium fans, "metal" era fans or ADTOE fans, but I completely agree with this. And I'm a pretty casual Rush fan.
I explode.
Sounds dangerous....
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JLB is 50 I think.
And Jordan is mid 50's by now !
Both the john's are still mid 40 so they'll be able to play a while longer.
And? The guys in Rush are 59, 59 and 60, and they have toured now four years in a row. That is a serious work ethic there. If DT can still do that when the average member age is 59, then we can talk. ;)
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And Jordan is mid 50's by now !
Both the john's are still mid 40 so they'll be able to play a while longer.
I don't know if playing Keyboard will be that much of a strain on rudess as he gets older.
He may switch to more touch sensitive keys that are easier to shred on.
He can use that instrument full time where he just glides his fingers back and forth. But then his shoulder will give out.
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Soon enough Jordan will only play on his iPad
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Clockwork angels is fantastic, but it still doesn't beat A Dramatic turn of events. ;D
Agreed. However, I (a casual Rush fan) also think Rush have a great work ethic - they still play double sets (and have played them for many, many years) despite being even older than the DT guys.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the new album has the same amount of songs as Falling Into Infinity for the circle to continue?
FII - 11 songs
SFAM - 12 songs, 9 scenes
SDOIT - 6 songs
ToT - 7 songs
Octavarium - 8 songs
SC - 7 songs
BC&SL - 6 songs
ADTOE - 9 songs
DT12 - 11 songs?
It has been said already, but I refuse to accept any theory that marks Octavarium as the pinnacle of the band's career.
Though it would be nice to have something around 11 songs.
I consider this whole theory a running joke. It's hilarious how perfect this has been, despite it being a massive coincidence.
Yea, but I'll take 11 new Dream Theater songs.
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JLB is 50 I think.
And Jordan is mid 50's by now !
Both the john's are still mid 40 so they'll be able to play a while longer.
I thought we were talking about frequency of albums released, not years touring.
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I hope they release a 24/96 version of the songs with the album and not months later.
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A lot of people here seem to hold FII in high regard because it has the most songs and assume that the new album will be the better the more songs it has.
I consider FII to be one of their weakest albums and I think that the large amount of short songs is just an expression of the lack of inspiration they had back then. Trying many different things but most of them not properly fleshed out.
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ADTOE was nice in that regard. BCSL had too many long songs, so it was refreshing that ADTOE was more balanced with song lengths.
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Also, gotta love the last page.
DT fandom: lol DT should quit with the What Would Rush Do philosophy
DT fandom: lol DT will never be able to maintain Rush's work ethic during the next 20 years but they damn well should
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ADTOE was nice in that regard. BCSL had too many long songs, so it was refreshing that ADTOE was more balanced with song lengths.
I wouldn't mind a bunch of long songs like that again, but they'd have to be good long songs. Black Clouds & Silver Linings just didn't have that.
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A lot of people here seem to hold FII in high regard because it has the most songs and assume that the new album will be the better the more songs it has.
I've never read anything about FII being liked because it has the most songs. People who like it seem to like the variety (which has some correlation to song length and number of songs) or because of some specific tracks on it that are very strong (which has nothing to do with the number of songs).
There is something of a feeling that DT got carried away with the long songs for a while, and obviously if the songs are shorter then there will tend to be more of them, but that's not the same as anyone saying that they like FII because it has so many songs.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MJGbLhX2TI
Listen from 1:13 on.
I think our wait won't be as long as some think
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I hope they release a 24/96 version of the songs with the album and not months later.
Same! I ended up buying ADTOE a little over 3 times last years.
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I'm actually REALLY curious and excited to see what kind of tone/feel this album has. Each of their albums has a distinct feel, in part due to the songwriting, and in part to production aspects like recording setups, mixing and mastering. I know it will be distinct, but knowing it's distinct means it's something new, and that makes me excited.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MJGbLhX2TI
Listen from 1:13 on.
I think our wait won't be as long as some think
You do still need to MIX an album though. Unless the sounds are so good that they mixed as they went along.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MJGbLhX2TI
Listen from 1:13 on.
I think our wait won't be as long as some think
Not entirely sure at what you're getting at, BUT my guess is that you think the wait won't be that long because they already have an idea of what it sounds like when they were recording? Am I right? If so I don't think that will cut down on time by much.
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I'm gonna say at least Sept/Oct
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I keep seeing late summer/early fall so I'm guessing August/September
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It'll be in September sometime, unless they decide to delay it. They're on the same timeline track as they were for ADTOE and we got an early/mid September release on that one.
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Currently the only thing I'm waiting for is a single/tracklist, something to chew on. :corn
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Currently the only thing I'm waiting for is a single/tracklist, something to chew on. :corn
Indeed. Dream Theater albums are so regular that I can wait until September for new music.
It really does only seem like last week they revealed the art and titles for Black Clouds.
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I'm a newer fan, and the only album that I cared about coming out besides this one was Clockwork Angels.
In fact, it was the summer before I became a fan (Spring 2012, upon listening to Octavarium[the song] for the first time and falling in love with it) that ADToE came out.
So this is a huge deal for me.
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Honestly, I would expect album info within the next week or two, with the mix/master being completed by the end of the month, and then slated for a mid-to-late September release.
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Honestly, I would expect album info within the next week or two, with the mix/master being completed by the end of the month, and then slated for a mid-to-late September release.
Something like that.
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A lot of people here seem to hold FII in high regard because it has the most songs and assume that the new album will be the better the more songs it has.
I've never read anything about FII being liked because it has the most songs. People who like it seem to like the variety (which has some correlation to song length and number of songs) or because of some specific tracks on it that are very strong (which has nothing to do with the number of songs).
There is something of a feeling that DT got carried away with the long songs for a while, and obviously if the songs are shorter then there will tend to be more of them, but that's not the same as anyone saying that they like FII because it has so many songs.
Orbert nails it yet again. :tup
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I'm a newer fan, and the only album that I cared about coming out besides this one was Clockwork Angels.
In fact, it was the summer before I became a fan (Spring 2012, upon listening to Octavarium[the song] for the first time and falling in love with it) that ADToE came out.
So this is a huge deal for me.
I remember how this was for me back in the days of BCSL. Enjoy your early fandom, it's the best :heart
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Meh. I kinda wonder why DT keep going for these guys. I mean, Clockwork Angels was a pretty good album, but it surely didn't sound great. But there's DT for you, using the guy Rush just used, regardless of whatever :D
As far as I could understand from Wikipedia Richard Chycki only engineered some of the stuff on Rush's album, and didn't mix it. That album had a good amount of bass though, so I wouldn't mind if they actually used that guy. I have no idea what Richard Chycki's mixing is like though, but I sure hope he'll be the one who finally understands that DT needs nearly twice the usual bass volume to sound good. ADTOE had a few ok bass moments, but in some other places Myung was inaudible as usual. Seriously, mixing bass isn't that hard.
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GTA V and new DT-album in september would make it the best month of the year ;)
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GTA V and new DT-album in september would make it the best month of the year ;)
:metal
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I'm a newer fan, and the only album that I cared about coming out besides this one was Clockwork Angels.
In fact, it was the summer before I became a fan (Spring 2012, upon listening to Octavarium[the song] for the first time and falling in love with it) that ADToE came out.
So this is a huge deal for me.
I remember how this was for me back in the days of BCSL. Enjoy your early fandom, it's the best :heart
Yep, it's only downhill from there!
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GTA V and new DT-album in september would make it the best month of the year ;)
And the start of NFL.
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GTA V and new DT-album in september would make it the best month of the year ;)
And the start of NFL.
Who cares? ;D
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We got to listen to On The Backs of Angels on June 28, 2011 unless that was just the upload date and it was made visible later on.
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A lot of people here seem to hold FII in high regard because it has the most songs and assume that the new album will be the better the more songs it has.
I consider FII to be one of their weakest albums and I think that the large amount of short songs is just an expression of the lack of inspiration they had back then. Trying many different things but most of them not properly fleshed out.
Yeah, with FII, less would have really been more.
Which is why I've always kinda been amused by MP's idea that the album was bad because the label wouldn't let them do a double album. Even though most of the outtakes are better than songs which actually made the record, listening to the FII demos in their entirety is an absolute chore, so I have a hard time believing that better production and mastering alone would make them that much better. .
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We got to listen to On The Backs of Angels on June 28, 2011 unless that was just the upload date and it was made visible later on.
That date sounds right. They released the song about a week before their first show with Mangini (July 4th, 2011 in Rome).
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I'm a newer fan, and the only album that I cared about coming out besides this one was Clockwork Angels.
In fact, it was the summer before I became a fan (Spring 2012, upon listening to Octavarium[the song] for the first time and falling in love with it) that ADToE came out.
So this is a huge deal for me.
I remember how this was for me back in the days of BCSL. Enjoy your early fandom, it's the best :heart
Yep, it's only downhill from there!
Actually, since I found my fandom again in late 2011/early 2012, it's been higher than those first days, so there are exceptions to the rule :D
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I feel much more of a fan now than I was four years ago!
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My fandom is like my stomach.... always increasing.
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Clockwork angels is fantastic, but it still doesn't beat A Dramatic turn of events. ;D
QFT
Come at me! :xbones
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Possible new DT album cover:
(https://altpick.com/storage/hughsyme/13572398797ClF59.jpg)
It was in Hugh Syme's portfolio and it doesn't really say anything about it.
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:facepalm:
Oh please please PLEASE... NO.
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I think it's probably too early for any finished artwork yet, and it wouldn't be professional to stick it on his site before the band allows it. I like the design though, if it were booklet artwork.
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I can't say I'd be sad if that wasn't the album cover :lol
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Possible new DT album cover:
(https://altpick.com/storage/hughsyme/13572398797ClF59.jpg)
It was in Hugh Syme's portfolio and it doesn't really say anything about it.
Hahahaha - I did that before BCSL!! I found the Black Clouds cover a couple of weeks before it was officially released. When SC was revealed, we later found it had been on mendolaart for a little while. Did the same thing two years later, and... ha!
I kept the secret. Partly cos I didn't want to be "that guy," but also cos I quite liked knowing something nobody else knew. Title and everything. That said, I think that looks rather more like his commercial work. Plus, BCSL turned up with a logo and title all over it.
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I'd say it could be booklet artwork so the sequel to These Walls -- the workers are building the wall back up, after they were broken, or tore down. :neverusethis:
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Well, things can really only go up from the clown.
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Possible new DT album cover:
(https://altpick.com/storage/hughsyme/13572398797ClF59.jpg)
It was in Hugh Syme's portfolio and it doesn't really say anything about it.
Looks like a King Crimson cover to me, doesn't feel like DT.
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It's pretty slopilly down regardless of what it is-- the rocks just kinda fade into the smooth tunnell wall in a jarring, phoney way, and the water up against the rocky wall looks bad, too. But most of Syme's recent work, including DT stuff, has been pretty sloppy.
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I'd say it could be booklet artwork so the sequel to These Walls -- the workers are building the wall back up, after they were broken, or tore down. :neverusethis:
No, it's a sequel to BMU, BMD called "Build Me Up Again". :lol
But yea, that looks more of booklet art.
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If you go to the website where this picture has been taken - https://altpick.com/hughsyme - (which is not his official one, btw) you'll see that there's a pic of a snake, right after this one, resembling the shape of a colon, while the walls of this pic resemble the inside of a colon (maybe damaged by some IBD - lol). My point is that they may belong to the same idea, which I think there's nothing DT related.
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Actually, that IS the album cover. The album's called "Construction Time Again". :lol
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I like the one with the two hands around the clock thing, with a ferris wheel faded in the background. Does that belong to anything?
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I like the one with the two hands around the clock thing, with a ferris wheel faded in the background. Does that belong to anything?
Clockwork Angels album booklet art for Carnies.
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Well, things can really only go up from the clown.
LOL. Exactly why I had a DTF member photoshop that clown out of the album cover for iTunes. It was a horrendous design choice.
Why can't DT be progressive in their approach of album design. Do you know how many amazing young graphic artists/painters/photographers there are out there - yet they choose these awful Syme designs time after time.
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Well, things can really only go up from the clown.
LOL. Exactly why I had a DTF member photoshop that clown out of the album cover for iTunes. It was a horrendous design choice.
Why can't DT be progressive in their approach of album design. Do you know how many amazing young graphic artists/painters/photographers there are out there - yet they choose these awful Syme designs time after time.
Lol you made me imagine my graduate school sister making an album cover for Dream Theater
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A lot of people here seem to hold FII in high regard because it has the most songs and assume that the new album will be the better the more songs it has.
I consider FII to be one of their weakest albums and I think that the large amount of short songs is just an expression of the lack of inspiration they had back then. Trying many different things but most of them not properly fleshed out.
Yeah, with FII, less would have really been more.
Which is why I've always kinda been amused by MP's idea that the album was bad because the label wouldn't let them do a double album. Even though most of the outtakes are better than songs which actually made the record, listening to the FII demos in their entirety is an absolute chore, so I have a hard time believing that better production and mastering alone would make them that much better. .
I couldn't disagree more. And MP's main problem was the label/producer interference in the songs themselves, not a desire to do a double album. The only reason they had so much material for the album in the first place is because the label wouldn't let them go into the studio to record the album, so they just kept writing songs.
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Well, things can really only go up from the clown.
LOL. Exactly why I had a DTF member photoshop that clown out of the album cover for iTunes. It was a horrendous design choice.
Why can't DT be progressive in their approach of album design. Do you know how many amazing young graphic artists/painters/photographers there are out there - yet they choose these awful Syme designs time after time.
Lol you made me imagine my graduate school sister making an album cover for Dream Theater
Ha - even a high school rendering would probably be a fresher take than what we've had the past few albums.
And while there are many established artists out there, I mentioned young just because there are scores out there who would do amazing work and are looking to make a name for themselves and promote their style. They'd also be more affordable cause I imagine getting Mars-1 or Doze Green to do your album cover ain't cheap.
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Possible new DT album cover:
(https://altpick.com/storage/hughsyme/13572398797ClF59.jpg)
It was in Hugh Syme's portfolio and it doesn't really say anything about it.
Is nobody going to put 'Dream Theater' in the classic font on that, with a realistic sounding album title? ;D
I actually quite like that image, but not sure how it'd look as the cover. Though it doesn't really bother me too much, the only DT album cover I really like is 8VM. I generally prefer fan made ones - the ADTOE thread for that had some great designs.
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It's pretty slopilly down regardless of what it is-- the rocks just kinda fade into the smooth tunnell wall in a jarring, phoney way, and the water up against the rocky wall looks bad, too. But most of Syme's recent work, including DT stuff, has been pretty sloppy.
I don't agree at all, unless it's supposed to look realistic, in which case yeah it's sloppy. But I feel fairly confident that it is meant to be fairly surrealist, in which case I really like it, more so than any of Syme's album covers for DT!
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Possible new DT album cover:
(https://altpick.com/storage/hughsyme/13572398797ClF59.jpg)
It was in Hugh Syme's portfolio and it doesn't really say anything about it.
Is nobody going to put 'Dream Theater' in the classic font on that, with a realistic sounding album title? ;D
I actually quite like that image, but not sure how it'd look as the cover. Though it doesn't really bother me too much, the only DT album cover I really like is 8VM. I generally prefer fan made ones - the ADTOE thread for that had some great designs.
Very true.
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Possible new DT album cover:
(https://altpick.com/storage/hughsyme/13572398797ClF59.jpg)
It was in Hugh Syme's portfolio and it doesn't really say anything about it.
Snuggets
(https://i41.tinypic.com/4ihc0x.jpg)
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^That's kind of interesting. Hmmm...
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We haven't taken the direction (tunnel) of a concept album in a long time, let's polish it up?
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(https://i44.tinypic.com/do6qs0.jpg)
That's more like it.
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:lol :rollin :lol
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Is nobody going to put 'Dream Theater' in the classic font on that, with a realistic sounding album title? ;D
Like this?
(https://i.imgur.com/RdvHOWL.png)
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Could it be called "the hole that james dug"
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If that is an ear channel, are those people removinc apocalypctic mind debris? :justjen
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Possible new DT album cover:
(https://altpick.com/storage/hughsyme/13572398797ClF59.jpg)
It was in Hugh Syme's portfolio and it doesn't really say anything about it.
Is nobody going to put 'Dream Theater' in the classic font on that, with a realistic sounding album title? ;D
No, but I am going to put massive black bars on it, squash the DT font a little bit, add a snarky and unrealistic album title and make sure all text is stylistically off-centre.
(https://i40.tinypic.com/334hrhz.jpg)
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That's more like it. Except that I think it should be titled "rebirth."
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Which is why I've always kinda been amused by MP's idea that the album was bad because the label wouldn't let them do a double album. Even though most of the outtakes are better than songs which actually made the record, listening to the FII demos in their entirety is an absolute chore, so I have a hard time believing that better production and mastering alone would make them that much better. .
I couldn't disagree more. And MP's main problem was the label/producer interference in the songs themselves, not a desire to do a double album.
True, but almost all of the changes made by the producer were either for the better or made the song no worse.
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omg
There needs to be a shovel somewhere in the book artwork
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Is nobody going to put 'Dream Theater' in the classic font on that, with a realistic sounding album title? ;D
Like this?
(https://i.imgur.com/RdvHOWL.png)
:clap:
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I wouldn't want it to be the new DT cover, but it's honestly not as bad as you're all making it out to be.
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Possible new DT album cover:
(https://altpick.com/storage/hughsyme/13572398797ClF59.jpg)
Looks like the ContruKtion guys from the early 2000s King Crimson covers working on the Looney Tunes tunnel.
I sincerely hope this isn't the cover art for DT12.
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Possible new DT album cover:
(https://i40.tinypic.com/334hrhz.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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:rollin
I should send that to my friend and make him believe that is really the album cover and title.
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:rollin
I should send that to my friend and make him believe that is really the album cover and title.
Do it with Corroding Memories, it's much more convincing
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I just checked my sources, and...well, believe it or not, that actually is the REAL album cover and title. I even found one of the stock photos they are using for inside the booklet.
(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/621-00995566fw_zpsb63c1f29.jpg)
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I just checked my sources, and...well, believe it or not, that actually is the REAL album cover and title. I even found one of the stock photos they are using for inside the booklet.
(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/621-00995566fw_zpsb63c1f29.jpg)
:lol :lol
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:rollin
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jesus christ :lol :rollin :lol
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I just checked my sources, and...well, believe it or not, that actually is the REAL album cover and title. I even found one of the stock photos they are using for inside the booklet.
(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/621-00995566fw_zpsb63c1f29.jpg)
Well, that's the stock photo. The actual photo they will use is this one:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/621-00995566fw_zps927172eb.jpg) (https://smg.photobucket.com/user/rumborak/media/621-00995566fw_zps927172eb.jpg.html)
It'll tie in where SDOIT left off. Or rather, reach in where SDOIT left off.
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ha
ha
ha
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:slowclap:
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I definitely want a single made-up word that's original similar to Octavarium
something like, idk......."Cyclotopia" :lol
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Indigesterrhea
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Diarheum
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(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12_1.jpg)
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Possible new DT album cover:
(https://altpick.com/storage/hughsyme/13572398797ClF59.jpg)
It was in Hugh Syme's portfolio and it doesn't really say anything about it.
:'( I like it. It looks kinda cool. And mysterious
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One of the shoddiest pieces of artwork i've ever seen.
There's no way it's the new cover :lol
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These last pages :lol
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Seriously - if that is the new album cover - i'm not buying it.
YOU READ THAT DT & HUGH SYME ?
I SAID YOU JUST LOST YOURSELF A CUSTOMER ! ! !
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Am I the only one who isn't getting what is so incredibly terrible about this picture? It looks pretty neat to me.
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The transition between the smooth and the raw part is not really handled well. Unless that's intentional. And I'm sure that there is something wrong with the perspective and the relative sizes o the three guys on the right.
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I sincerely hope this isn't the cover art for DT12.
This. Please, let it NOT be it.
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It's not the correct aspect ratio for a cover, and not quite right for booklet art either. It doesn't even match the style of Syme's work for DT. I don't at all think this is anything DT related.
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It's not the correct aspect ratio for a cover, and not quite right for booklet art either. It doesn't even match the style of Syme's work for DT. I don't at all think this is anything DT related.
This. I just saw the picture and thought it MIGHT be something related, but I doubt it now. Unless they use the big black bars on the top and bottom.
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It's not the correct aspect ratio for a cover, and not quite right for booklet art either. It doesn't even match the style of Syme's work for DT. I don't at all think this is anything DT related.
This. I just saw the picture and thought it MIGHT be something related, but I doubt it now. Unless they use the big black bars on the top and bottom.
Don't let that stop the detective work though! :tup At this point, speculation is all we have to keep us going. :biggrin:
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These last pages :lol
^This and this > ???
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Which is why I've always kinda been amused by MP's idea that the album was bad because the label wouldn't let them do a double album. Even though most of the outtakes are better than songs which actually made the record, listening to the FII demos in their entirety is an absolute chore, so I have a hard time believing that better production and mastering alone would make them that much better. .
I couldn't disagree more. And MP's main problem was the label/producer interference in the songs themselves, not a desire to do a double album.
True, but almost all of the changes made by the producer were either for the better or made the song no worse.
Again, I couldn't disagree more. No songs were improved from the demos, IMO.
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I have to agree with Kev. I was pretty shocked when I got my copy of the demos, only to realize that they're much the same as the studio album, or different in worse ways. I do agree that stronger material was left off the album while weaker material was allowed to stay on.
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I agree with Kev on this one (mark the date on the calendar).
Almost everything on the final album of FII is either slightly better or equal to the demo, and the album certainly didn't need more songs. None of the cut tracks make me think "gee, this should have made the album", even though I don't mind a couple of them. If anything, I'd only cut one or two songs from the album, and that for me would be the best FII could be. And I already place the album 4th, so I don't mean that negatively at all.
The minor changes resulted in a few of the songs having tighter arrangements that suited the music better, and Hell's Kitchen being free of BMS. The only change that I might restore is the extra section of LITS, and that song is so damn good either way that I don't consider it a huge loss. And TAMP and YNM aren't great songs in any arrangement.
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So, i saw this on Twitter and made me think we could get an album title-tracklisting for the new album:
Good morning! BIG announcement coming Thursday. I'll give you a hint: The band has 5 vowels in their name.
https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/341916886101028864 (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/341916886101028864)
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*counts* Dream Theater has 5 vowels!
They do usually announce these things pretty soon after completing recording, so it's not unrealistic.
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Those covers... :lol
I also agree that most of the changes FII songs went through were for the better, or at least not for the worse - only TAMP was better in its original form IMO, and You Not Me doesn't include the awesome keyboard part from You Or Me that could've made it a bit better.
So, i saw this on Twitter and made me think we could get an album title-tracklisting for the new album:
Good morning! BIG announcement coming Thursday. I'll give you a hint: The band has 5 vowels in their name.
https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/341916886101028864 (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/341916886101028864)
:caffeine:
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Nickelback only has three. *Phew*
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Nickelback only has three. *Phew*
Believe me, i counted more than twice just to be sure :lol
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Cool. Let the speculation begin.
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I guess tracklisting. Maybe artwork?
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I guess tracklisting. Maybe artwork?
I'd guess tracklisting and release date, but maybe a bit early for artwork? You'd think they'd announce a new album with artwork though. I can't remember what the case was with the last few albums, so maybe I'm wrong.
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I'll go with title and release date. And possibly special edition info.
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I guess tracklisting. Maybe artwork?
I'd guess tracklisting and release date, but maybe a bit early for artwork? You'd think they'd announce a new album with artwork though. I can't remember what the case was with the last few albums, so maybe I'm wrong.
I remember them releasing both artwork and tracklisting at the same time for BCSL.
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I guess tracklisting. Maybe artwork?
I'd guess tracklisting and release date, but maybe a bit early for artwork? You'd think they'd announce a new album with artwork though. I can't remember what the case was with the last few albums, so maybe I'm wrong.
I remember them releasing both artwork and tracklisting at the same time for BCSL.
I remember it being the case with all of their recent releases, but I could be mistaken. Does anyone recall how long after finishing recording they announced it? Maybe we need to figure out an accurate timeline of events there for comparison.
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Yay, can't wait to see the endless speculation of which one is the instrumental.
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Possible announcement :woot: :caffeine:
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Yay, can't wait to see the endless speculation of which one is the instrumental.
Track 6. I'm calling it now.
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I'm guessing track 1 will be the opener :neverusethis:
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I'm guessing track 1 will be the opener :neverusethis:
And the closer. ZOMG.
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I'm guessing track 1 will be the opener :neverusethis:
And the closer. ZOMG.
The story ends where it began!
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Still, i'm not getting very hyped, just so that i won't be disappointed if it's something else...
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I know ADTOE artwork was released for the first time with the On the Backs of Angels single release. Wasn't around for any earlier releases.
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I will wait as patiently as I can until Thursday and hope that this announcement is indeed Dream Theater related. If it is, let the real anticipation begin :metal
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Wait. I won't be having access to internet for most of Thursday :-[
If announcement has to be, I'll miss all the fun here!
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Looking forward to the news, hopefully it is DT related. :metal
And I wouldn't mind that being the artwork. They're apparently sticking with Hugh Syme, so whatever he produces, I'm fine with it. Sometimes he strikes gold, sometimes he doesn't, that's just the way it goes.
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Introducting;
Dream Theater - The Pattern and the Tooooooone
(https://i42.tinypic.com/vg77d.jpg)
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So, i saw this on Twitter and made me think we could get an album title-tracklisting for the new album:
Good morning! BIG announcement coming Thursday. I'll give you a hint: The band has 5 vowels in their name.
https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/341916886101028864 (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/341916886101028864)
Am I the only one who originally read this as "syllables" and thought everyone was crazy...? Fail.
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Nonono, I recounted the syllables at least twice, before rereading.
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Surely it has to be Dream Theater? It fits so well.
If this is a DT announcement, I think we'll get album title, track listing, and artwork. I'm calling track 7 as the instrumental.
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So, i saw this on Twitter and made me think we could get an album title-tracklisting for the new album:
Good morning! BIG announcement coming Thursday. I'll give you a hint: The band has 5 vowels in their name.
https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/341916886101028864 (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/341916886101028864)
Am I the only one who originally read this as "syllables" and thought everyone was crazy...? Fail.
Du-ream The-ah-ter. That's five. So either way...
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Surely it has to be Dream Theater? It fits so well.
If this is a DT announcement, I think we'll get album title, track listing, and artwork. I'm calling track 7 as the instrumental.
No way. 4 or 6.
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Here are the possible bands that it could be:
Dream Theater (duh)
Airbourne
3 Inches of Blood
The Agony Scene
Amanda Palmer
Annihilator
...okay, on second thought, there are tons of RR bands with 5 vowels, so I'm not taking my time to do this :lol
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Yeah it's true that there are a lot of bands on RR with 5 vowels, but given the current progress on the DT side, i think it is a valid thought it could be DT related.
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Surely it has to be Dream Theater? It fits so well.
If this is a DT announcement, I think we'll get album title, track listing, and artwork. I'm calling track 7 as the instrumental.
No way. 4 or 6.
I'm basing it on my entire concept album prediction (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34945.msg1462212#msg1462212), which actually has two instrumentals. It should fit in nicely. ;)
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Yeah it's true that there are a lot of bands on RR with 5 vowels, but given the current progress on the DT side, i think it is a valid thought it could be DT related.
Dream Theaters twitter feed re-tweeted the announcement so I'm sure it's them telling us the release date of the album.
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Yeah it's true that there are a lot of bands on RR with 5 vowels, but given the current progress on the DT side, i think it is a valid thought it could be DT related.
Dream Theaters twitter feed re-tweeted the announcement so I'm sure it's them telling us the release date of the album.
That has to be a confirmation! :caffeine:
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Dream Theaters twitter feed re-tweeted the announcement so I'm sure it's them telling us the release date of the album.
It doesn't show up when i go on DT's twitter page...
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Yeah it's true that there are a lot of bands on RR with 5 vowels, but given the current progress on the DT side, i think it is a valid thought it could be DT related.
Dream Theaters twitter feed re-tweeted the announcement so I'm sure it's them telling us the release date of the album.
Are you sure you aren't referring to the DTForumsOrg twitter?
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Yes - that's the DTF twitter! Still, the timing's right. Consistent with their recording schedule, their release schedule, and their previous. I'd be surprised if it weren't DT.
Put it this way. I'm letting myself get excited.
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Yes - that's the DTF twitter! Still, the timing's right. Consistent with their recording schedule, their release schedule, and their previous. I'd be surprised if it weren't DT.
Put it this way. I'm letting myself get excited.
I'm sure it is DT, but I just don't want to get too excited after waiting months for the Bluray haha.
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Yes - that's the DTF twitter! Still, the timing's right. Consistent with their recording schedule, their release schedule, and their previous. I'd be surprised if it weren't DT.
Put it this way. I'm letting myself get excited.
I'm sure it is DT, but I just don't want to get too excited after waiting months for the Bluray haha.
Yeah... especially since they didn't bother to specify "this Thursday" ... ::)
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I guess tracklisting. Maybe artwork?
I'd guess tracklisting and release date, but maybe a bit early for artwork? You'd think they'd announce a new album with artwork though. I can't remember what the case was with the last few albums, so maybe I'm wrong.
That was the case for BC&SL, but for SC and ADTOE it was title/track listing and then the artwork came sometime later.
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Honestly, I think this is all about Machine Head. They have a new bass player since april and his identity remains a mistery. Also, their contract finished with the last record... The "big" announcement has to be something related to that.
With that being said, hopefully I'm wrong. It's already time to know how DT12 is called, although I expect a week or two more of suffering.
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Possible announcement :woot: :caffeine:
Yup. :squee: :caffeine:
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You might be right. God I hope it isn't a MH announcement. We've been let down enough recently! :lol
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Honestly, I think this is all about Machine Head. They have a new bass player since april and his identity remains a mistery. Also, their contract finished with the last record... The "big" announcement has to be something related to that.
With that being said, hopefully I'm wrong. It's already time to know how DT12 is called, although I expect a week or two more of suffering.
nugget.
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I guess tracklisting. Maybe artwork?
I'd guess tracklisting and release date, but maybe a bit early for artwork? You'd think they'd announce a new album with artwork though. I can't remember what the case was with the last few albums, so maybe I'm wrong.
That was the case for BC&SL, but for SC and ADTOE it was title/track listing and then the artwork came sometime later.
Great. That definitely makes this plausible as a DT announcement.
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Ha! Yes, probably Machine Head, then.
Although, they've still got a few months before they beat DT's record. You never know!
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And yet again our hopes are built up, and broken down!
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And falling to pieces. :'(
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So, i saw this on Twitter and made me think we could get an album title-tracklisting for the new album:
Good morning! BIG announcement coming Thursday. I'll give you a hint: The band has 5 vowels in their name.
https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/341916886101028864 (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/341916886101028864)
Am I the only one who originally read this as "syllables" and thought everyone was crazy...? Fail.
Now I feel stupid. I was thinking of all the possible ways to pronounce Dream Theater to get five syllables. I'm glad I saw your post.
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Wait... doesn't Dream Theater have only "E" and "A" vowels in its name ?!?! :facepalm:
Still hoping for the best... ;D
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ADTOE announcement came on june 8th 2011... With artwork
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ADTOE announcement came on june 8th 2011... With artwork
The announcement yes, but the artwork I think was released with the OTBOA single release on YouTube. I remember because everyone was reacting to the song and artwork at the same time. :lol
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Wait... doesn't Dream Theater have only "E" and "A" vowels in its name ?!?! :facepalm:
Still hoping for the best... ;D
Dream Theater
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Wait... doesn't Dream Theater have only "E" and "A" vowels in its name ?!?! :facepalm:
Still hoping for the best... ;D
Dream Theater
He probably wasn't counting the repeated vowels. :P
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He wasn't. :lol
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ADTOE announcement came on june 8th 2011... With artwork
The announcement yes, but the artwork I think was released with the OTBOA single release on YouTube. I remember because everyone was reacting to the song and artwork at the same time. :lol
Artwork was released on June 29th.
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Surely he was joking... ;)
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But... how about AIrbOUrnE?!?!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roadrunner_Records_artists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbourne_(band)
Well, it seems that they already released a CD past may! :biggrin:
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Could be Kenny Wayne Shepperd
Killswitch Engage
....but it could be Machine Head bassist announcement since they're playing Mayhem.
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Well, last time, John Petrucci revealed the name of the album and tracklisting before the artwork came out, so I wouldn't be surprised if the same happened this time.
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God damn. I gotta stop reading this thread, getting my hopes up alla time.
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WHY DOES TIME MOVE SO SLOWLY?
Thursday please come faster as we all know it's most likely RR will be talking about Dream Theater.
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Well, MP just quit Amob because of scheduling conflicts, just sayin ...
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Surely he was joking... ;)
Yes he was and don't call me Surely.
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ADTOE announcement came on june 8th 2011... With artwork
The artwork that was released with the information was the top of the final artwork. It was the thin bar with the blue background and with "Dream Theater" and "A Dramatic Turn of Events." The plane, clouds, clown, and the tightrope were not in the blue bar that was released. It was essentially the top fifth of the final artwork.
EDIT: Here is what was released with the tracklisting (notice it's not the 'final' artwork):
(https://metalodyssey.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/dream-theatre-dramatic-turn-of-events-promo-logo.png)
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My god you whiners. When it's ready you'll get it GEEEESH!
It's killing me too. :lol
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Surely he was joking... ;)
Yes he was and don't call me Surely.
(https://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/23703iF4508BF6F324752C/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1)
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Well, MP just quit Amob because of scheduling conflicts, just sayin ...
Is that true? Man, guy can't catch a break.
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Well, MP just quit Amob because of scheduling conflicts, just sayin ...
Is that true? Man, guy can't catch a break.
Pun intended ? :lol
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Well, MP just quit Amob because of scheduling conflicts, just sayin ...
Is that true? Man, guy can't catch a break.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=20321.msg1585927#msg1585927
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Completely random off topic comment
Prophets of War transitions pretty well into This is the Life
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Completely random off topic comment
Prophets of War transitions pretty well into This is the Life
I'll try it
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We're getting an announcement that DT12 has problems so they are releasing it next November...
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The problem is that DT have finally made the perfect rock / metal / prog album and as a result all other bands in existence will retire.
They're re-recording the rhythm guitars on a fender deluxe amp and a fender squire strat with no humbuckers on.
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We're getting an announcement that DT12 has problems so they are releasing it next November...
I would cry. I'm not kidding.
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Completely random off topic comment
Prophets of War transitions pretty well into This is the Life
Not as fantastic as Lost Not Forgotten to Forsaken if you can get the to overlap exactly perfectly.
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Completely random off topic comment
Prophets of War transitions pretty well into This is the Life
Not as fantastic as Lost Not Forgotten to Forsaken if you can get the to overlap exactly perfectly.
Something awesome to see live would have them play Forsaken, and with the ending piano theme, transition directly into the first piano notes of LNF without having the galloping/wind intro. It would work SO well given they're shared key of Dm. I think actually it's such a good transition I wonder why they didn't bring back Forsaken for when they started playing LNF in 2012, since they played it during 2011. They should totally do this.
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About the last 30 seconds of Space-Dye Vest can overlap with Home.
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A Friend of mine, very close to The band, interviewed Mm here in Italia yesterday during the clinic and he say that they have talked about thursday announcement, because the argoment popped out. But he won't and probably Can't say anything else.
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Ok, there will be a big announcement regarding DT this Thursday at 5 pm (Italian hour, do the math for the rest of the world :biggrin:) this is all he said..
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Thanks Dreamer81!
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Grazie!
Also, I very much dig that the announcement was sort of announced with the Italian hour. They should stick with it, let the others subtract 6 hours :P
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Or no hours in my case :coolio
I think...
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Or no hours in my case :coolio
I think...
Yeah, DT should become more eurocentric. After all, we are the best, aren't we? :biggrin:
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As long as you're including the UK ;)
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As long as you're including the UK ;)
Only until you leave the EU :slayer:
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USA USA! (in before the yanks!) :P
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GMT + 1 ftw!
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Surely Italian time is GMT+2 at the moment? The UK is currently +1 (BST).
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GMT + 1 ftw!
Confirmation from a fellow Swede - thanks! (I'm always having a hard time with these damn time zones).
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Inter-continental banter aside, I've just found this over on another forum I often frequent -
https://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/power-quest/881170-dream-theater-new-album-news.html
Is it an old interview that's been rehashed due to lack of actual information?
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A dramatic re-hash of previous events.
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I think it'd be interesting if they released a self-titled. Perhaps odd since it's coming so late in their career, but I'd like it.
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I think it'd be interesting if they released a self-titled. Perhaps odd since it's coming so late in their career, but I'd like it.
Thank god that was just the OP's inability to listen properly.
Only a debut album should ever be self titled. At any other time it just comes across as either lazy or pretentious imo.
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I could understand if ADToE had been self-titled, purely because it represented the beginning of a new era for the band. To do so now would be a bit lazy though, I agree.
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I think it'd be interesting if they released a self-titled. Perhaps odd since it's coming so late in their career, but I'd like it.
Thank god that was just the OP's inability to listen properly.
Only a debut album should ever be self titled. At any other time it just comes across as either lazy or pretentious imo.
Maybe should, but plenty of bands do it for something other than the debut. Even the Beatles waited till what would become their second to last.
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Another tweet from RR:
Good morning! Second hint re tomorrow's big announcement: The band underwent a major lineup change within the last 5 years.
It's DT!!! :corn
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Another tweet from RR:
Good morning! Second hint re tomorrow's big announcement: The band underwent a major lineup change within the last 5 years.
It's DT!!! :corn
Yeah it couldn't be more obvious!(Could be Killswitch Engage though, they changed their singer :P )
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I think it'd be interesting if they released a self-titled. Perhaps odd since it's coming so late in their career, but I'd like it.
Thank god that was just the OP's inability to listen properly.
Only a debut album should ever be self titled. At any other time it just comes across as either lazy or pretentious imo.
I kind of liked when Avenged Sevenfold did it, as it represented (IMO) them truly finding their sound.
However, for DT to do it would be out of place.
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Not sure about the time difference for Italy, but I can confirm that 11:00 a.m. EST is the time.
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A dramatic re-hash of previous events.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :lol
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I think it'd be interesting if they released a self-titled. Perhaps odd since it's coming so late in their career, but I'd like it.
Thank god that was just the OP's inability to listen properly.
Only a debut album should ever be self titled. At any other time it just comes across as either lazy or pretentious imo.
I kind of liked when Avenged Sevenfold did it, as it represented (IMO) them truly finding their sound.
However, for DT to do it would be out of place.
Can't say I agree. Avenged Sevenfold's self-titled was a major letdown for me after the flawlessness of City of Evil.
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The announcement is obviously gonna be that the new album will heavily feature James LaBrie on the slide whistle.
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Not sure about the time difference for Italy, but I can confirm that 11:00 a.m. EST is the time.
:tup
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Great to hear! Italy, as well as the rest of Central Europe is EST+6! :D
Now, speculation? Long title? Short title? Single word? Dark or light artwork? How many cheesy song names? :D
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Don't be TOO confident, folks...could also be kIllswItch EngAgE or mAchInE hEAd. #5vowels
https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/342278327190568960 (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/342278327190568960)
Although i still believe it is DT, it is not unreasonable given that the album is in the mixing process right now.
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I only have to wait a day, I only have to wait a day... :|
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5 pm in Italy is 6 pm here, so I'l get home just in time for the big announcement! :metal
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It'll be noon here. Can't wait!
I'm guessing the big announcement will be that there will be an instrumental track on the new album, and JMX will sing lead on it.
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On other news, Impermanent Resonance was officially announced on JLB's fb page, shared by DT.
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Great to hear! Italy, as well as the rest of Central Europe is EST+6! :D
Now, speculation? Long title? Short title? Single word? Dark or light artwork? How many cheesy song names? :D
All of them :D
We'll have to find the prediction threads afterwards and see if anyone scored. Hoping it will be me just for the sake of me saying we'll have two JLB lyrics :xbones
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On other news, Impermanent Resonance was officially announced on JLB's fb page, shared by DT.
Good. I was afraid THIS would be "the announcement".
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Great to hear! Italy, as well as the rest of Central Europe is EST+6! :D
Now, speculation? Long title? Short title? Single word? Dark or light artwork? How many cheesy song names? :D
All of them :D
We'll have to find the prediction threads afterwards and see if anyone scored. Hoping it will be me just for the sake of me saying we'll have two JLB lyrics :xbones
This: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35334.0 is probably the best prediction thread, I will be seeing if I scored with my 3 different fake albums
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Some of you need to switch to decaf.
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That's the magic of fandom, hef.
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Some of you need to switch to decaf.
I hate coffee, and generally never drink anything with caffeine in it. 8 hours of sleep every night works WONDERS.
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Also:
(https://assets.network.roadrunnerrecords.com/system/board_posts/post_images/39783/full_jlb.jpg)
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines.
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OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :o :o :o :o :o :o :eek :eek :eek :eek
(https://i43.tinypic.com/dyud52.jpg)
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OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :o :o :o :o :o :o :eek :eek :eek :eek
*release date*
Is that from their official website? Kind of one-upping RoadRunner's announcement, isn't it?
Not that I'm complaining.
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OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG........
I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY'RE USING SUCH AN AWFUL AND WONKY MAJESTY LOGO
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OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :o :o :o :o :o :o :eek :eek :eek :eek
(https://i43.tinypic.com/dyud52.jpg)
YESSSS
Let the endless speculation begin(or continue).
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Something fishy here......that is one weird looking announcement! ???
Either way....awesome! :metal
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dreamtheater.net is official.
Now I feeling the album art is going to be purple. Not a bad color.
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I just hope the twitter announcement doesn't just repeat that the album comes out on 9/24....
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:metal
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I just hope the twitter announcement doesn't just repeat that the album comes out on 9/24....
Lol it probably will, now that I think about it.
I think we might see a tracklist + album name and MAYBE album art.
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Between this, and "No, hold up, it doesn't have to be Dream Theater!!" on the @RRUSA twitter feed... yes, DT announcement tomorrow.
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Between this, and "No, hold up, it doesn't have to be Dream Theater!!" on the @RRUSA twitter feed... yes, DT announcement tomorrow.
:tup
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Between this, and "No, hold up, it doesn't have to be Dream Theater!!" on the @RRUSA twitter feed... yes, DT announcement tomorrow.
For sure. It will have to be a tracklist and album name, otherwise there'd be no point hyping up "Dream Theater are releasing a still untitled album on Sep 24", which we now know already.
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For Immediate Release :-
Dream Theater release their Twelfth Studio Album for Roadrunner Records.
" Like Clockwork " will be released on September 24th. Featuring the mini documentary
" The Drama Carries On..." a follow up to the search for a replacement drummer which ultimately resulted in the hiring of Mike Mangini.
The 36 minute documentary features behind the scenes in the studio footage and interviews with all the band members.
Special Bonus Feature !!! If you believe all this then I apologise !
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3 & 1/2 months.
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WHAT TIME IS ANNOUNCEMENT IN UK? AND OMGOMGOMGOMG WEBSITE! MIGHT HAVE A GO AT FAKE ALBUM COVER OMG CAPS LOCK TOO EXCITED! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :corn :metal ;D :omg: AAAAHHHH
and yes I believed you for a minute
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Great to hear that the album will be released before the DVD! :tup
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Great to hear that the album will be released before the DVD! :tup
It's kinda backwards but yeah - at least they're being released two months apart. I guess the smart thing is that the DVD will serve as a final piece of promotion for the previous album. Ergo - if any new fans come on board for DT 12 and check out LALP - they might be tempted to purchase ADTOE as well.
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im soooooooooo damn confused
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Really!?!? Are you sure this is an official release date? I didn't get a pop-up. I want a pop-up.
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Do you have pop-ups disabled?
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So this is legit?
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Yea i think it's gone!
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Hacked ?
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Huh. Maybe it wasn't supposed to be seen yet?
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Since the information is not supposed to be released until tomorrow morning, that's a safe bet. :lol
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Maybe someone got trigger happy....
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Ha! Crikey. Maybe they won't release the name and track titles tomorrow.
I'd still put money on it, though.
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It would be cool if they went with something purple for the art!
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So this is legit?
I'm saying it isn't legit because I checked with three different browsers that do not have pop-up blocker enabled...no announcement.
Is our patience wearing thin? :neverusethis:
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Probably a test for tomorrow
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Maybe someone got trigger happy....
I say we blame Itchy. :biggrin: :lol
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So this is legit?
I'm saying it isn't legit because I checked with three different browsers that do not have pop-up blocker enabled...no announcement.
Is our patience wearing thin? :neverusethis:
I'm just dumb salt about the live DVD. Should've had it but no one like to update people. Also yes, i would love some fresh DT material soon :lol
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/970540_155896994593273_1505239561_n.jpg)
Will this do, Rob ?
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Pretty awesome! :hat
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5 minutes that took :lol
It's not that hard is it Hugh? :P
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Meh. Looks like a Circus Maximum rip-off.
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Meh. Looks like a Circus Maximum rip-off.
I was gonna say Transatlantic.
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Meh. Looks like a Circus Maximum rip-off.
I was gonna say Transatlantic.
I was looking for Kevin Costner
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dreamtheater.net is official.
Now I feeling the album art is going to be purple. Not a bad color.
It's purple just like the MP forum. Does that mean?????????? :omg:
LULZ
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Now I feeling the album art is going to be purple. Not a bad color.
I like purple. They haven't really done it before.
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WWRD
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Purple would be a great colo(u)r.
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Probably a test for tomorrow
maybe it's the test that stumped them all!!
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Here's a nice interview: https://loudwire.com/jordan-rudess-new-dream-theater-album-tour-plans-more/
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For Immediate Release :-
Dream Theater release their Twelfth Studio Album for Roadrunner Records.
" Like Clockwork " will be released on September 24th. Featuring the mini documentary
" The Drama Carries On..." a follow up to the search for a replacement drummer which ultimately resulted in the hiring of Mike Mangini.
The 36 minute documentary features behind the scenes in the studio footage and interviews with all the band members.
Special Bonus Feature !!! If you believe all this then I apologise !
Is this legit?
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Did you read the last sentence?
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Purple would be a great colo(u)r.
Purple, lilac, darkest blue
The answer's been right in front of you
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Did you read the last sentence?
I was hoping someone would at least chuckle at it. Of course I read it. :lol
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"Like Clockwork" is the name of the new Queens Of The Stone Age album. Just sayin.....
:lol
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"Like Clockwork" is the name of the new Queens Of The Stone Age album. Just sayin.....
:lol
I was referencing the whole What Would Rush Do thing... plus the fact that the art was taken from the Clockwork Angels booklet.
Also the fact they release albums every two years without fail :P
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"Like Clockwork" is the name of the new Queens Of The Stone Age album. Just sayin.....
:lol
I was referencing the whole What Would Rush Do thing... plus the fact that the art was taken from the Clockwork Angels booklet.
Also the fact they release albums every two years without fail :P
Great pick on the title. I laughed out loud after reading that part and also "The Drama Carries On." :biggrin:
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I didn't get a pop-up. I want a pop-up.
Seems like it has been removed. Ready to have that incredible announcement being just about the album coming out on september 24th, tomorrow at 5pm?
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It probably was a mistake by someone, it's not there anymore.
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I didn't get a pop-up. I want a pop-up.
Go to the celebrity crush thread :neverusethis:
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aaaaaaaaaand i'm back on these forums just as the hype for the upcoming album is accumulating :D
I can confirm the popup! I can't get it again though, so yeah they've probably removed it.
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Yeah, it's been removed. Two pictures exist of the popup though, so BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU TEST, DREAM THEATER. THE FANS ARE ALWAYS WATCHING (and waiting.)
I just want the album title/tracklist
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I can confirm the popup! I can't get it again though, so yeah they've probably removed it.
Same here.
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I hope we will get something more tomorrow, but I'm not positive. You know, if this was an early trigger for a popup to be shown starting tomorrow it would have likely featured the album title had such an information been scheduled to go public at the time.
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Well, knowing the official DT site, it's probably supposed to be up now and just isn't work properly :P
;) ;) ;)
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OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :o :o :o :o :o :o :eek :eek :eek :eek
(https://i43.tinypic.com/dyud52.jpg)
As a web developer, it was probably a test that the popup and picture worked as planned. Lucien just happened to go to the site at the right time.
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would they really test it on an active server? (I know nothing of web development). Kevin Moore hacked the site i'm calling it!
also I would expect that they will reveal information a little sooner than they had planned if they knew that information had leaked(?)
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Who's planning for a concept album ?
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What if the purple shiny Majesty logo that we see IS the album cover? What if the new album is called "Majesty"? The album could very well be majestic-sounding, and I think it was confirmed/semi-confirmed that there is an orchestra in the studio with DT, so that could hint at the adjective of "majestic".
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Yeah, it's been removed. Two pictures exist of the popup though, so BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU TEST, DREAM THEATER. THE FANS ARE ALWAYS WATCHING (and waiting.)
I just want the album title/tracklist
I got a screen cap too.
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"Like Clockwork" is the name of the new Queens Of The Stone Age album. Just sayin.....
:lol
I was referencing the whole What Would Rush Do thing... plus the fact that the art was taken from the Clockwork Angels booklet.
Also the fact they release albums every two years without fail :P
Great pick on the title. I laughed out loud after reading that part and also "The Drama Carries On." :biggrin:
Thanks :) xx
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I didn't get a pop-up. I want a pop-up.
Go to the celebrity crush thread :neverusethis:
:lol
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Here's a nice interview: https://loudwire.com/jordan-rudess-new-dream-theater-album-tour-plans-more/
Thanks! :)
Here is a snippet from the interview:
Dream Theater are back working on new music and have been for a while. Just wanted to see how things are progressing toward the next album.
JR: We’re doing very well. We’re kind of in the homestretch of the whole thing. I was just finishing some keyboard tracks and we have some more things to do, but we’re definitely looking at the finish line at this point.
You’ve got one album cycle under the belt with [drummer] Mike Mangini and he had to get up to speed with that last record, but how’s he progressing within the framework of the band?
JR: Having Mike in the room with us as we were doing the writing and everything was such a wonderful thing. The man has such a strong energy and such a great player that it made a big difference to our process to have him there, have him contributing ideas.
The way I see it is like, he’s such a specialist in his area. He’s got such a rhythm math brain and that addition to what Dream Theater already has in the composition department was so cool, ’cause we’ve been able to do things I’ve never done before. There’s some stuff on the album that I’ll rhythmically is very, very cool.
With a new piece to the puzzle, does it give you a renewed sense of energy at this point in the band’s career?
JR: Oh for sure. Anyone who’s heard this album or stopped by the studio, you’ve just got to smile at the drumming, it’s so outrageous. He does some fills that are like, ‘Oh my God!’ (laugh) I can’t help but almost like laugh."
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Ha. Laughing at the drumming.
Sounds like me the first time I ever heard Thomas Lang playing Balkan.
I'd never heard anything like that before.
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Maybe someone got trigger happy....
I say we blame Itchy. :biggrin: :lol
THIS
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With a new piece to the puzzle, does it give you a renewed sense of energy at this point in the band’s career?
JR: Oh for sure. Anyone who’s heard this album or stopped by the studio, you’ve just got to smile at the drumming, it’s so outrageous. He does some fills that are like, ‘Oh my God!’ (laugh) I can’t help but almost like laugh."
Piglia bene. =)
(Feels good)
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If the drumming is so insane that I will laugh in shock, MY BODY IS NOT READY FOR THIS ALBUM.
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I'd like to point out that I have a sister who texts me about DT anouncements when I'm somewhere internet-less. And not because she likes DT, but because she knows I'll hyperventilate about it somewhere.
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OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :o :o :o :o :o :o :eek :eek :eek :eek
(https://i43.tinypic.com/dyud52.jpg)
(https://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkwwspaCkL1qbsx5m.gif)
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WHY MUST YOU MOVE SO SLOWLY TIME?
Tomorrow is the last day of school. Then hopefully Barnes and Noble calls me saying I got a job there (nothing specific, I said "any" for the position, "any" for the pay, and "any" for the hours. If they don't call me, I will be VERY surprised.)
Also my birthday is on Saturday, when I will be taking the ACT, which will take a couple of hours which doesn't really mean much considering the fact that the test is not difficult.
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If the big announcement is just a release date and nothing more, that's a pretty shitty big announcement.
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Cover art leak???
(https://oi44.tinypic.com/jp8z2w.jpg)
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That was one of the ones for ADTOE that one of DTF made. :)
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The tracklisting font is a little too plain and it says Mixed by Andy Wallace. :P
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Good. I didn't like the front cover, or the track list, and I'm hoping for a purple cover.
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I feel like taking a shower right now, going to sleep, then waking up at 5 (It's 7 right now.), so Thursday will come faster.
But then that'd be a waste of 3 hours. :|
CAN'T... WASTE... ANY... TIME.. BUT WANT TIME TO GO FASTER.
Hell, I'm gonna go play Skyrim.
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Got an email from a buddy of mine who has music biz connects. The email contained this artwork:
(https://oi39.tinypic.com/4iy2hy.jpg)
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Got an email from a buddy of mine who has music biz connects. The email contained this artwork:
I would LOVE that title. From the darkness of Portnoy leaving to the band being on fire. That's what it would mean to me IF it's real.
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average title, terrible font, and essentially no artwork. im gonna wait till tomorrow :P
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I hope it's self-titled. I thought they should have done that with DT11, but it's be great for them to do it at any point.
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Huh...that TIW back cover looks real, and I would LOVE a double album, but the title...meh.
And let's not judge an album based on the song titles, ADTOE's titles aren't all great. TIW titles looks like they COULD be real.
And Darkness To Fire looks totes fake. The title isn't even centered.
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Huh...that TIW back cover looks real, and I would LOVE a double album, but the title...meh.
And let's not judge an album based on the song titles, ADTOE's titles aren't all great. TIW titles looks like they COULD be real.
And Darkness To Fire looks totes fake. The title isn't even centered.
A fan made it, it's definitely fake (referring to traces in water.)
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35334.msg1491247#msg1491247
From Darkness to Fire is a badass name, but I doubt the artwork would be that simple.
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Got an email from a buddy of mine who has music biz connects. The email contained this artwork:
(https://oi39.tinypic.com/4iy2hy.jpg)
Amazing shit.
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I hope it's self-titled. I thought they should have done that with DT11, but it's be great for them to do it at any point.
I agree with the part in bold but I am not sure how I feel about DT12 being a self-titled if they decide to do that.
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That was one of the ones for ADTOE that one of DTF made. :)
And in my opinion one of the best, if not, the best one. That one really stood out to me when I saw it, and it got me really excited honestly. I think it looks fantastic.
Got an email from a buddy of mine who has music biz connects. The email contained this artwork:
I don't think that's the final draft, but I wouldn't be surprised if the album looks like that plus a couple things. I think so far it looks REALLY cool, and the title is pretty good too, and will probably make more sense and have more meaning with the music
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Got an email from a buddy of mine who has music biz connects. The email contained this artwork:
(https://oi39.tinypic.com/4iy2hy.jpg)
That's really ugly :-X
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The worst part is the the DT logo and symbol are floating in 3D space, but then the title is just flat front bold font. :lol
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The worst part is the the DT logo and symbol are floating in 3D space, but then the title is just flat front bold font. :lol
You just mentioned all 3 elements of the picture on one "the worst part is" sentence. Nice.
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I don't care. I just want the music to be good.
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"Explosions in Nature"
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I have explosions in nature. Take that for what you will.
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The announcement is obviously gonna be that the new album will heavily feature James LaBrie on the slide whistle.
I'd go for that. :lol :biggrin:
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All I know is I really hope the album DOESN'T get.. well you know.. the 'L' word... this time.
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I agree, but it's so easy to have happen these days.
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yeah I know. It's just, it was really hard waiting til the release date when I knew it was already floating around the internet. But I'm proud to say I stuck it out! haha. I just don't want to have to do that again. xD
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Well, they do say that patience is a virtue... :lol :biggrin:
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yeah I know. It's just, it was really hard waiting til the release date when I knew it was already floating around the internet. But I'm proud to say I stuck it out! haha. I just don't want to have to do that again. xD
I was unsure of what the 'L' word was for a few minutes. :rollin
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:lol
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I did pretty well the last time; the only songs I listened to for ADTOE prior to release were OTBOA, LNF, and BAI, and only because they'd been uploaded to YouTube by some source or another.
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(https://i42.tinypic.com/2zs6ufr.jpg)
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Track Nine: The Dance Of Decaf
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(https://i42.tinypic.com/2zs6ufr.jpg)
This is actually the most believable album cover posted so far. :lol
For the love of our five gods, can people please stop posting every horrible fan made cover posted on the internet? :lol
(obviously I'm not referring to this intentionally funny one)
Hint: If it's using a wonky font, a wonky Majesty logo, isn't even square, and uses plain Arial font on it, it's *probably* not the real deal. :P
I just woke up, and I'm cranky. I'm sorry.
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This is actually the most believable album cover posted so far. :lol
For the love of our five gods, can people please stop posting every horrible fan made cover posted on the internet? :lol
(obviously I'm not referring to this intentionally funny one)
Hint: If it's using a wonky font, a wonky Majesty logo, isn't even square, and uses plain Arial font on it, it's *probably* not the real deal. :P
I quite like looking at fan made and fake covers, personally
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Hey, Blob. I'm pretty sure this one is actually legit.
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/75e059b5e28be6a041c97674862c2405/tumblr_mnyi701MwS1qgg53uo1_500.jpg)
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:rollin
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:lol OH GOD MY EYES AND BRAIN
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:lol
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Track Nine: The Dance Of Decaf
Track Ten: One Last Cup
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yeah I know. It's just, it was really hard waiting til the release date when I knew it was already floating around the internet. But I'm proud to say I stuck it out! haha. I just don't want to have to do that again. xD
I was unsure of what the 'L' word was for a few minutes. :rollin
yeah, I mean, what stops you from finding Love or Lesbians on the internet, and what's so bad about a DT album containing one of those things? :neverusethis:
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There's lesbians on the internet?! :o
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Ι'm not sure if the details were leaked to some websites or some form of PR email was sent early, but the Greek website rocking.gr reports that the new album will be self-titled, and will come in different editions, as well as a double 180gram vinyl.
https://www.rocking.gr/news/Titlos-kai-imerominia-kukloforias-gia-to-neo-album-twn-Dream-Theater/16408/ (https://www.rocking.gr/news/Titlos-kai-imerominia-kukloforias-gia-to-neo-album-twn-Dream-Theater/16408/)
I'll do a quick translation as soon as possible.
EDIT: Here is a rough translation of the article:
The new, self titled album from Dream Theater will be available September 24th, by Roadrunner Records.
"Dream Theater" was recorded at Cove City Studios in New York, produced by the guitarist and founding member of the group John Petrucci, and engineered by the famous Richard Chycki (Aerosmith, Rush). Τhis album marks a new chapter in the band's history, since it is the first where drummer Mike Mangini was involved completely and from the beginning in the creative process.
«I see each album as an opportunity for a new beginning» says Petrucci. «Building or improving in a direction that has evolved over time, or enter in completely new territory. This is the first self-titled album of our career and i can't think of something that states a musical and creative identity in a better way than this. We have completely explored all those elements that makes us unique, like the intensity and the cinematic atmosphere. We are excited with “Dream Theater” and can't wait for everyone to hear it.»
"Dream Theater" will be available in many different editions, including a regular and special 2CD edition, 180gram double vinyl and a limited box set. Preorders will start in the next month via the Webstore of Roadrunner Records.
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Sounds very legit
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Sounds very legit
Well i know for a fact that the editor has taken interviews with the band members and knows some of them personally, so i don't think it is inaccurate, or else i wouldn't post it.
We'll just have to wait and see i guess.
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Oh yeah, but I didn't mean it sarcastically. It really sounds like it's RR's news item but leaked.
Anyway, selftitled it is. I can't say I'm too thrilled by that, but I've never been too thrilled by an album title alone. It's more of a statement anyway, and a well placed one, IMO.
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Oh yeah, but I didn't mean it sarcastically. It really sounds like it's RR's news item but leaked.
Anyway, selftitled it is. I can't say I'm too thrilled by that, but I've never been too thrilled by an album title alone. It's more of a statement anyway, and a well placed one, IMO.
Oh i see, sorry i misunderstood you.
I think it is a bit lazy as a title, but as you said it is more of a statement, and probably the band feels very confident about the album if they think it is the one that deserves to be self-titled.
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"This is the first self-titled album of our career"
Is that line just an issue of mistranslation? Otherwise it would cast doubt on the statement being legit.
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"This is the first self-titled album of our career"
Is that line just an issue of mistranslation? Otherwise it would cast doubt on the statement being legit.
I did the translation, so not something related to the statement itself. Although i'm not sure what is wrong with it, feel free to suggest a better line and i will add it to my post.
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Thanks nikatapi! That sounds really interesting.
I'm not sure about this still. I mean I have full confidence in them but if this album fails to connect with me, I'll be all the more disappointed that they think it's a definitive piece of their career/current or future musical direction.
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"This is the first self-titled album of our career"
Is that line just an issue of mistranslation? Otherwise it would cast doubt on the statement being legit.
I did the translation, so not something related to the statement itself. Although i'm not sure what is wrong with it, feel free to suggest a better line and i will add it to my post.
As it is, it suggests that they'll do another self-titled album in the future, which isn't likely!
Thanks for sharing though!
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Yeah you're right, although it is the first self-titled album for DT, and it says so in the article, so i'm not sure how i could phrase it in a better way...
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I hope we do get a track listing, I'd be surprised if they announced the album title on its own.
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Well, Led Zeppelin did 4 self-titled albums in a row, as did Peter Gabriel...
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After talking with the rocking.gr editor i can confirm that the info is legit (although i didn't have any doubts in the first place since this is a great and honest guy), he got an official announcement from RR.
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It better not be self titled. :tdwn No album but a debut should ever be self titled.
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After talking with the rocking.gr editor i can confirm that the info is legit (although i didn't have any doubts in the first place since this is a great and honest guy), he got an official announcement from RR.
I'm not criticizing but if he's an honest guy how got this from RR why would he then post it before the official announcement by RR and DT?
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After talking with the rocking.gr editor i can confirm that the info is legit (although i didn't have any doubts in the first place since this is a great and honest guy), he got an official announcement from RR.
I'm not criticizing but if he's an honest guy how got this from RR why would he then post it before the official announcement by RR and DT?
Well he told me that he is wondering the same thing, how is it possible that no other site has uploaded the news, as i said we'll have to wait and see, and i'm not trying to convince anyone about this, i just thought it was big enough to share with you guys.
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It better not be self titled. :tdwn No album but a debut should ever be self titled.
That's not even true.
Of course, the news isn't even official, and people are complaining already :P
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It better not be self titled. :tdwn No album but a debut should ever be self titled.
Tell that to Metallica :hat
With that said, the phrase "Dream Theater" works very well as an album title "on it's own" so to speak.
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Making their 12th album self titled? They're copying genesis! :omg:
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After talking with the rocking.gr editor i can confirm that the info is legit (although i didn't have any doubts in the first place since this is a great and honest guy), he got an official announcement from RR.
I'm not criticizing but if he's an honest guy how got this from RR why would he then post it before the official announcement by RR and DT?
Well he told me that he is wondering the same thing, how is it possible that no other site has uploaded the news, as i said we'll have to wait and see, and i'm not trying to convince anyone about this, i just thought it was big enough to share with you guys.
Fair enough. :tup
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Self-titled? But.. :'(
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It hasn't even been officially announced yet. Can people not wait five more hours to start complaining?
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It hasn't even been officially announced yet. Can people not wait five more hours to start complaining?
Have RR confirmed that they are making an announcement today?
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It better not be self titled. :tdwn No album but a debut should ever be self titled.
Tell that to Metallica :hat
Nobody in the world calls that album "Metallica", or self titled anyway. It is The Black Album.
And considering one reason I hate self titled albums is because they're lazy, the equally uninspired album cover of that album really doesn't help the cause at all. :lol
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It hasn't even been officially announced yet. Can people not wait five more hours to start complaining?
Have RR confirmed that they are making an announcement today?
11 AM EST, and 6 PM whatever time zone it is in Italy. Do the math for wherever you're at.
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So 4 hours 8 minutes from now, unless my math fails me, which is entirely possible.
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No, that's correct. Jesus, what time will it be over (down) there?
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It better not be self titled. :tdwn No album but a debut should ever be self titled.
Tell that to Metallica :hat
Nobody in the world calls that album "Metallica", or self titled anyway. It is The Black Album.
Nobody calls it that, but that's the title.
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Perhaps a few years from now we'll be calling DT12 'the Purple Album'
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It better not be self titled. :tdwn No album but a debut should ever be self titled.
Tell that to Metallica :hat
Nobody in the world calls that album "Metallica", or self titled anyway. It is The Black Album.
Nobody calls it that, but that's the title.
I wasn't trying to imply it wasn't. All I'm saying is that bands shouldn't do it, not that they don't. It's a lazy and bad name for the album, and that's probably why nobody calls it that.
Also, it's black. That sort of helps. :lol
No, that's correct. Jesus, what time will it be over (down) there?
Only 1am. I'll of course be up. :blob:
Perhaps a few years from now we'll be calling DT12 'the Purple Album'
That's a funky name. I'm down with that.
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Perhaps a few years from now we'll be calling DT12 'the Purple Album'
*13 :)
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Perhaps a few years from now we'll be calling DT12 'the Purple Album'
*13 :)
ACOS doesn't count, not a studio album
In other news I'm not happy with the self titled idea, its not their style, they have intelligent titles that are majestic (intended) I hope this isn't the case
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Perhaps a few years from now we'll be calling DT12 'the Purple Album'
*13 :)
ACOS doesn't count, not a studio album
In other news I'm not happy with the self titled idea, its not their style, they have intelligent titles that are majestic (intended) I hope this isn't the case
Oh, I thought you meant 2012 ><
Nvm. :|
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I don't know, I think 'Dream Theater' is a better title than 'A Dramatic Turn of Events' and 'Systematic Chaos'.
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I think the report posted by nikatapi is legit. The website is trustworthy and some of the editors personally know some current and ex members of the band. I hope we get the tracklist today as well, a sinle in July and tons of promotion interviews in August!
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ADTOE isn't too good a title, true, but Systematic Chaos is great. It sounds good when you pronounce it and it fits DT's mix of heavy metal insanity and strong music theory background.
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Yep, sure sounds majestic.
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I don't know, I think 'Dream Theater' is a better title than 'A Dramatic Turn of Events' and 'Systematic Chaos'.
I liked them titles, SC beong an oxymoron and 'A dramatic turn of events' is good, its better than saying 'stuff happened'
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And now I am REALLY excited.
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Not sure how I feel about it being self-titled... And is there any chance we might still get a track list, or is this most likely the extent of the announcement?
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Not sure how I feel about it being self-titled... And is there any chance we might still get a track list, or is this most likely the extent of the announcement?
Hopefully there will be more details, but i'm not holding my breath.
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I think they would have held off announcing anything and waited a few weeks if they didn't have a track listing now.
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ADTOE isn't too good a title, true, but Systematic Chaos is great. It sounds good when you pronounce it and it fits DT's mix of heavy metal insanity and strong music theory background.
That. But literally anything is better than not really naming your album at all. I'd rather they actually call it "DT12".
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I'd like that actually. Short, succinct, and straight to the point.
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You know, guys... the name DREAM THEATER has in it TWELVE letters.
Just saying. :tup
-Marc.
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You know, guys... the name DREAM THEATER has in it TWELVE letters.
Just saying. :tup
-Marc.
TRAPPED INSIDE THIS DODECAVARIUM!
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ADTOE isn't too good a title, true, but Systematic Chaos is great. It sounds good when you pronounce it and it fits DT's mix of heavy metal insanity and strong music theory background.
That. But literally anything is better than not really naming your album at all. I'd rather they actually call it "DT12".
No, I think the self-titled option is a lot better than just calling your album some generic description of your music. Like, "Systematic Chaos", or some literal description of what your album is about, like "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" or "Black Clouds & Silver Linings".
Plus, at this point in DT's career, self-titled makes sense. It's kinda like... a renewed commitment to the post-MP lineup. This IS Dream Theater. It says that the Dream Theater playing and touring now is the real DT, the best DT, the only DT, as opposed to the DT with Kevin Moore or Mike Portnoy. In that sense, it's kinda ballsy. I like it.
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If their 12th album is self-titled, I propose the following as fan-wide abbreviations:
DT12 (likely to be the most common)
DTwelve
D12 (pronounced Dee Twelve, like the dice)
Either way, I too like the idea of a self-titled album at this point. Interviews with the members point to a very unified band feeling now, with everyone on the same page as far as musical and technical prowess and skill. They're more DT than DT has been, and if the album lives up to the hype, I think it would be a cool move to name the album Dream Theater. What'll be more confusing is if there's a TRACK called "Dream Theater". Then we could say, in one sentence - Hey, did you like "Dream Theater" by Dream Theater on their album Dream Theater?
-Marc.
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ADTOE isn't too good a title, true, but Systematic Chaos is great. It sounds good when you pronounce it and it fits DT's mix of heavy metal insanity and strong music theory background.
That. But literally anything is better than not really naming your album at all. I'd rather they actually call it "DT12".
No, I think the self-titled option is a lot better than just calling your album some generic description of your music. Like, "Systematic Chaos", or some literal description of what your album is about, like "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" or "Black Clouds & Silver Linings".
Plus, at this point in DT's career, self-titled makes sense. It's kinda like... a renewed commitment to the post-MP lineup. This IS Dream Theater. It says that the Dream Theater playing and touring now is the real DT, the best DT, the only DT, as opposed to the DT with Kevin Moore or Mike Portnoy. In that sense, it's kinda ballsy. I like it.
I disagree with every single bit of that post.
It's not ballsy, it's pretentious and presumptuous for the very reasons stated, not to mention it's becoming a terrible cliche.
And it's not even a name at all. It is literally the complete lack of a name. Systematic Chaos is a cool name. Self titled is nothing.
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I am on a plane, but the annoncement will be posted on time here at press time.
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Αgreed about liking the self-titled idea.
It's very clever that they're doing it now, since it seems like it's a very collaborative effort, with MM bringing his knowledge and musical ideas on the table.
Seriously, i believe this is going to be "the new SDOIT", just like SDOIT was an amazing album with JR bringing his energy and musicality freed from any expectations unlike SFAM, this time having MM on the board.
Probably DT are very confident about the quality of this album, it is a bold move to name the album this way.
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I am on a plane, but the annoncement will be posted on time here at press time.
And you call this "a plane"?
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Αgreed about liking the self-titled idea.
It's very clever that they're doing it now, since it seems like it's a very collaborative effort, with MM bringing his knowledge and musical ideas on the table.
Seriously, i believe this is going to be "the new SDOIT", just like SDOIT was an amazing album with JR bringing his energy and musicality freed from any expectations unlike SFAM, this time having MM on the board.
Probably DT are very confident about the quality of this album, it is a bold move to name the album this way.
Pretty much this.
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I don't know, I've always liked DT's titles. I mean, Octavarium is a brilliant title. I would be really disappointed if the rumour turns out to be true.
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Gosh, dudes, we're on page 99. Since they're almost finished with being in studio, I'd suggest using the original DT12 thread when that is over: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34945.0
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ADTOE isn't too good a title, true, but Systematic Chaos is great. It sounds good when you pronounce it and it fits DT's mix of heavy metal insanity and strong music theory background.
That. But literally anything is better than not really naming your album at all. I'd rather they actually call it "DT12".
No, I think the self-titled option is a lot better than just calling your album some generic description of your music. Like, "Systematic Chaos", or some literal description of what your album is about, like "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" or "Black Clouds & Silver Linings".
Plus, at this point in DT's career, self-titled makes sense. It's kinda like... a renewed commitment to the post-MP lineup. This IS Dream Theater. It says that the Dream Theater playing and touring now is the real DT, the best DT, the only DT, as opposed to the DT with Kevin Moore or Mike Portnoy. In that sense, it's kinda ballsy. I like it.
Pretty much all of this.
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I like the name.
The thing I care most about is that we'll hopefully get a tracklisting
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I'm not crazy about the album being self-titled... but if we get new music I can't imagine that it'll bother me that much.
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Systematic Chaos is a cool name.
Hah, OK.
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You know the reason I have a bad taste in my mouth about self-titled albums? Bands always do that right after a significant member is replaced. Think about it:
Metallica - new bass player
Motley Crue - new vocalist
Van Halen (III) - new vocalist
Alice In Chains - first full album with new bass player
I'm sure there are many others, but I always get the sense the band is trying to say something like, "Hey, all that stuff before wasn't *really* us. NOW that we have this NEW guy, everything is right and complete, so we're going to re-iterate in the biggest way possible that THIS is the band, THESE are the *right* band members."
Not to mention the fact that most of the bands who do this end up firing or losing that very same member before the next album. Plus it's just lazy (like Blob said). You've written an entire albums with lyrics about things that are (hopefully) significant to you - and you can't pick something out of all that to signify the overall feel of the album? As much as I didn't like SC, I thought the title was cool because it really does represent what was happening with the music on that album. It was more all over the place than previous releases, but the chaos was controlled into the DT sound - it made sense.
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I think it is quite a statement to have a self-titled album at this point in their carreer and that it's a big responsibility. They 'd better support this choice with a unique and fresh album because this title really raises the bar and cause high expectations...
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Exactly - that too. Because everyone can say all day that Mangini is permanent and a good fit, yadda yadda (not saying he isn't permanent), but this album is largely an experiment because it's the fist time in nearly 15 years that they're bringing a new writer into the process. We all hope and assume that's going to work, but what if it doesn't? What if the reception is terrible? You've got your fans poo-pooing the album represented by your band name. I think that's the reason Motley Crue with Jon Corabi tanked so hard. The album itself wasn't bad at all - pretty good actually. But because of a new writer in the mix, it didn't sound anything like Motley Crue, and now they're forced to largely ignore that album and can't play anything from it live, despite Mick Mars and Nikki Sixx both claiming that it's their favorite Crue album. I just think it's a terrible idea all around at this point. Self-titled would have been more appropriate for either Octavarium or SC since the band was ending and beginning a significant phase of their career (20 years, new label, new direction, etc.)
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I think it is quite a statement to have a self-titled album at this point in their carreer and that it's a big responsibility. They 'd better support this choice with a unique and fresh album because this title really raises the bar and cause high expectations...
^ that.
I'm going to go on a limb and say something was lost in translation. there's no way it's self titled. It seems like such arrogance to me, and almost an indirect "f-you" to Portnoy even (a bit of a stretch I know...). The scope of their style over the years is wide and volatile, you only need to compare any 2 DT albums to identify drastic differneces . out of the hours and hours of diverse music they have produced over 20+ years, there's no way this is going to be 70 minutes of music that is definitive DT. It's not self titled...
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Exactly - that too. Because everyone can say all day that Mangini is permanent and a good fit, yadda yadda (not saying he isn't permanent), but this album is largely an experiment because it's the fist time in nearly 15 years that they're bringing a new writer into the process. We all hope and assume that's going to work, but what if it doesn't? What if the reception is terrible? You've got your fans poo-pooing the album represented by your band name. I think that's the reason Motley Crue with Jon Corabi tanked so hard. The album itself wasn't bad at all - pretty good actually. But because of a new writer in the mix, it didn't sound anything like Motley Crue, and now they're forced to largely ignore that album and can't play anything from it live, despite Mick Mars and Nikki Sixx both claiming that it's their favorite Crue album. I just think it's a terrible idea all around at this point. Self-titled would have been more appropriate for either Octavarium or SC since the band was ending and beginning a significant phase of their career (20 years, new label, new direction, etc.)
I think you're overestimating the creative input of the drummer in DT. MM definitely has less say in the overall direction of the album than MP, and even MP didn't have that much of a musical input, he was more involved in making the song structures and some vocal melodies.
Having Petrucci as a producer, and strong musicians like JM, JR and MM (and JLB in the vocal department) should erase these fears. I don't think that JP and the guys would make the desicion to have a self titled album if they weren't sure about the quality of the music.
And let's be honest, i don't think that DT are bold enough to experiment with their sound to a large degree, so i think that the DT sound we know and love will still remain the same.
I think it is quite a statement to have a self-titled album at this point in their carreer and that it's a big responsibility. They 'd better support this choice with a unique and fresh album because this title really raises the bar and cause high expectations...
^ that.
I'm going to go on a limb and say something was lost in translation. there's no way it's self titled. It seems like such arrogance to me, and almost an indirect "f-you" to Portnoy even (a bit of a stretch I know...). The scope of their style over the years is wide and volatile, you only need to compare any 2 DT albums to identify drastic differneces . out of the hours and hours of diverse music they have produced over 20+ years, there's no way this is going to be 70 minutes of music that is definitive DT. It's not self titled...
The article said about a self-titled album, i can assure you. I don't think the album title would be lost in the translation...
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Oh totally. I agree with everything you've said. I just worry when a new member legitimately starts being involved in the writing process that anything the fans hate will by laid at his feet, whether it should be or not. Part of the anticipation for this album is to see exactly how much influence MM has had on the way the songs are written and sound, no matter how minor. It's a new thing because of that, which is why it's at least a little risky/ballsy to self-title it.
On the other hand, they've had really good judgment in the past, and if they're confident enough in the music to warrant self-titling the album, then more power to them.
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The article said about a self-titled album, i can assure you. I don't think the album title would be lost in the translation...
I would suggest the possibility that no album title was revealed in the interview and that "self titled" was misconstrued or misinterpreted. I dunno, I don't even linguistics, bro!
I'm still not taking this as any form of confirmation of a self-titled album :P although now that I have been thinking about it, self-titled could mean "this is the new dream theater", "a fresh start/sound", or something to that effect. It's a big statement nonetheless.
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I actually had a dream once where the new album was called "Dream Theater" and the tracklist was simply 5 or 6 songs named "Dream Theater I", "Dream Theater II", etc. Between each track there were tracks simply called "Interlude", with a duration of something like 40-50 seconds, all written by John Myung :o
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Gosh, dudes, we're on page 99. Since they're almost finished with being in studio, I'd suggest using the original DT12 thread when that is over: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34945.0
But that one has been dead for months and has a horrible title to boot, to stay on the subject. :P
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placing my bet right now, it won't be self-titled. atmyne is right.
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The article said about a self-titled album, i can assure you. I don't think the album title would be lost in the translation...
I would suggest the possibility that no album title was revealed in the interview and that "self titled" was misconstrued or misinterpreted. I dunno, I don't even linguistics, bro!
I'm still not taking this as any form of confirmation of a self-titled album :P although now that I have been thinking about it, self-titled could mean "this is the new dream theater", "a fresh start/sound", or something to that effect. It's a big statement nonetheless.
Well, you know what, I'm glad they're making big statements. If there was ever a time to put some guts on display instead of making "just another Dream Theater album", it's today. And if getting a self-titled album out is a part of that statement, then it's fine. If the album flops, to the majority of people it doesn't really matter which title will it be. It would be a disappointment to me personally because it would show me and DT are not on the same wavelength anymore.
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I'm quite progressive-oriented, and since I'm craving for change I really hope that MM will bring new sounds to the band, that hasn't explored significantly new musical terrains in years IMO.
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I don't think it's going to be self-titled, as I read that statement, and he never actually says "new DT album is self titled".
I BELIEVE NOTHING UNTIL THE BAND CONFIRMS IT!!!
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People are already complaining without an official statement :lol
Can't wait for the meltdowns once it is official :hat
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Anyone else refreshing DT.net every few minutes? :loser:
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The article said about a self-titled album, i can assure you. I don't think the album title would be lost in the translation...
I would suggest the possibility that no album title was revealed in the interview and that "self titled" was misconstrued or misinterpreted. I dunno, I don't even linguistics, bro!
I'm still not taking this as any form of confirmation of a self-titled album :P although now that I have been thinking about it, self-titled could mean "this is the new dream theater", "a fresh start/sound", or something to that effect. It's a big statement nonetheless.
Well, you know what, I'm glad they're making big statements. If there was ever a time to put some guts on display instead of making "just another Dream Theater album", it's today. And if getting a self-titled album out is a part of that statement, then it's fine. If the album flops, to the majority of people it doesn't really matter which title will it be. It would be a disappointment to me personally because it would show me and DT are not on the same wavelength anymore.
If the band wants to make a bold statement, they do it with their music, not by telling us "we're making a statement" (which is basically what a self titled album is trying to do). It's like a cheap way of making a statement without actually making a statement. It's so empty. Just let the music speak for itself. If the album isn't just another album, then we don't need to be told so.
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Maybe JP meant that the new album is named after him! "John Petrucci" by dream . :metal
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Another longest hour to wait. My heart is already beating like hell
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To a certain extent, I don't care what they call it. But I'm not crazy about a self-titled album at this point - it would have made more sense with the last album.
But I don't want a typical prog-wanker title either, like The Misty Isles of Doom, or Menagerie of Nightmares, or Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. To me, a self-titled album would be preferable to that.
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I'm just going to wait and listen. Thursday has finally come. If it's a self-titled album, then so be it.
ADToE was the writing of the band without Mangini, therefore it is a transition between BC/SL and DT12. BC/SL was more metal, and ADToE was less metal more progressive. I could imagine this album being EXTREMELY progressive, causing another fan schism.
Sorry heavy metal fans, you might not like this new album.
I really wouldn't mind having another 20 minute song.
The time is now again.... - ceiling unlimited
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The article said about a self-titled album, i can assure you. I don't think the album title would be lost in the translation...
I would suggest the possibility that no album title was revealed in the interview and that "self titled" was misconstrued or misinterpreted. I dunno, I don't even linguistics, bro!
I'm still not taking this as any form of confirmation of a self-titled album :P although now that I have been thinking about it, self-titled could mean "this is the new dream theater", "a fresh start/sound", or something to that effect. It's a big statement nonetheless.
Well, you know what, I'm glad they're making big statements. If there was ever a time to put some guts on display instead of making "just another Dream Theater album", it's today. And if getting a self-titled album out is a part of that statement, then it's fine. If the album flops, to the majority of people it doesn't really matter which title will it be. It would be a disappointment to me personally because it would show me and DT are not on the same wavelength anymore.
If the band wants to make a bold statement, they do it with their music, not by telling us "we're making a statement" (which is basically what a self titled album is trying to do). It's like a cheap way of making a statement without actually making a statement. It's so empty. Just let the music speak for itself. If the album isn't just another album, then we don't need to be told so.
The album title is essentially "information" about the album. At the end of the day, i don't care if the album and track titles were in some indecipherable form of windings! but its a statement about the music, and I think the problem comes down to, at least from my perspective, is whether it's a self titled album to generate hype and increase sales (to grow on the previous success of the previous album, and we know how successful that was given the circumstances), which clearly has less integrity than being the self titled album BECAUSE it truly is their most ambitious, and musically innovative triumphant masterpiece etc.
So to what extent is this marketing, or to what extent is it justifiable to call this the self titled album?
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I translated a comment on the article:
Υπάρχει επίσημη πηγή για τις παραπάνω πληροφορίες?
No official source for the above information?
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The album title is essentially "information" about the album. At the end of the day, i don't care if the album and track titles were in some indecipherable form of windings! but its a statement about the music, and I think the problem comes down to, at least from my perspective, is whether it's a self titled album to generate hype and increase sales (to grow on the previous success of the previous album, and we know how successful that was given the circumstances), which clearly has less integrity than being the self titled album BECAUSE it truly is their most ambitious, and musically innovative triumphant masterpiece etc.
I really don't see DT naming an album that for hype. They're not that kind of band, and they're not in the position to need to do that at all. If it is self titled, they did it because they felt it warranted it. The problem is that imo no album aside from a debut warrants it.
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I really don't see DT naming an album that for hype. They're not that kind of band, and they're not in the position to need to do that at all. If it is self titled, they did it because they felt it warranted it. The problem is that imo no album aside from a debut warrants it.
Yes! so are they really "not that kind of band" anymore (given the dynamics of the modern music industry)? are they really "not in the position to need" or want to do that at all? is it really warranted? the general consensus is no, and so absolutely it comes down to whether it is warranted, and I think therein lies the risk(s) they are taking.
But we're getting ahead of ourselves! it hasnt even been confirmed self titled yet :lol
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I really don't see DT naming an album that for hype. They're not that kind of band, and they're not in the position to need to do that at all. If it is self titled, they did it because they felt it warranted it. The problem is that imo no album aside from a debut warrants it.
Yes! so are they really "not that kind of band" anymore (given the dynamics of the modern music industry)? are they really "not in the position to need" or want to do that at all? is it really warranted? the general consensus is no, and so absolutely it comes down to whether it is warranted, and I think therein lies the risk they are taking.
But we're getting ahead of ourselves! it hasnt even been confirmed self titled yet :lol
Well yes, there is that *minor* detail. :lol
I have a sinking feeling it's going to be true though, so I'm just trying to accept the worst case scenario in advance to soften the blow. :P
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Well, Led Zeppelin did 4 self-titled albums in a row, as did Peter Gabriel...
I agree with you on Peter Gabriel, but how do you figure Led Zeppelin? The debut was self-titled, but the next two were Led Zeppelin II and Led Zeppelin III. Those are their official titles and are distinct from the debut, so I wouldn't consider them self-titled. It was not uncommon for bands to use Roman numerals like that in those days (Van Halen, Chicago, etc.) The title of the fourth album is actually the four runes. It is often called "Led Zeppelin IV" because it's easier to say and catalogue, or sometimes "Zoso" because one of the runes kinda looks like the word "zoso". There is no writing anywhere on the outside or inside jacket, but on the record label itself, there is "Led Zeppelin", and the four runes where the title of the album would normally go. Similarly, the fifth album has no writing anywhere on the outside or inside jackets, but was always shipped with a paper band saying Houses of the Holy, and it says Houses of the Holy on the label. The later albums all have pretty obvious titles.
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Just popping in to say that I'm so pumped for the press release (if it's DT) and new album cycle. Bring it on :metal
:)
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If the music's good I couldn't give less of a shit about the title.
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If the music's good I couldn't give less of a shit about the title.
:tup
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If the music's good I couldn't give less of a shit about the title.
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If the music's good I couldn't give less of a shit about the title.
Most definitely. :corn
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How long now?
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If the music's good I couldn't give less of a shit about the title.
Yep! totally agree. but for those who do, I would caution not to get too hype based on names. The names have never been an indicator of the stylistic direction of the music, and the same could be said about the track lengths really...:corn
:corn
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How long now?
Should be 15 minutes.
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I'm really interested in seeing if any fan names of the songs: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35334.0 actually end up being real
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Whole lotta ruckus about an album title. It doesn't affect the music in any way. Nor does the artwork.
Only the music matters.
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If the music's good I couldn't give less of a shit about the title.
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I really don't see DT naming an album that for hype. They're not that kind of band, and they're not in the position to need to do that at all. If it is self titled, they did it because they felt it warranted it. The problem is that imo no album aside from a debut warrants it.
I would say that if it were their last, and they knew it in advance and did something special for it, it would warrant it.
you heard it here first, DT12 will be their last album! :)
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Hey! Guys! I think Blob dislikes self-titled albums!
Y'know, another reason I like the self-titled option is, honestly, the last few DT albums have had pretty unoriginal titles. Really, John seems to be in a stagnant place with his writing, where everything's so literal, and for the album and song titles it's really been no different. "A Dramatic Turn of Events"-- it describes *literally* what just happened to DT with MP leaving. "Black Clouds & Silver Linings"-- just like the songs on that album, heavy and moody with some mellow parts. "Systematic Chaos"-- a description of how Dream Theater sound that managed to be extremely wordy and bland at the same time. And so on. The last really good album title they had was "Octavarium".
I'm not trying to be disrespectul here, but over the past few years Dream Theater have got on DESPITE bad writing. Examples of good lyrics or wording or song titles are pretty sparse. Gone are the days where even the titles of Dream Theater albums themselves - "Images and Words", "Scenes from a Memory", "Falling into Infinity" - can make you ponderous. It's been since SDOIT that I've listened to a DT album and come away feeling remotely thoughtful or challenged about a lyric.
Not really great for a band that's always kinda been part of the "thinking man's metal" thing.
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How long now?
Should be 15 minutes.
Dayum just got back from college and make a fake cover before (if) they release the cover
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inb4 nothing happens :/
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I hope it is self titled. Most of their album names sound like they went to a figurative language generator on the internet. If we all brainstormed we could come up with a list of equally profound and poetic album names in a couple of minutes.
'Dream Theater' isn't lazy - it's clearly a a statement.
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Fuck you too, Roadrunner. Don't startle me like that
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inb4 nothing happens :/
If nothing happens, then something happened.
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Whole lotta ruckus about an album title. It doesn't affect the music in any way. Nor does the artwork.
Only the music matters.
Artwork and title mean a lot to me, personally. It's part of the package and feel. The artwork gives the music a visual element. It can give the whole package a dark feel or a light and fluffy feel. And the title is, well, the title. I can really enhance the album if it's clever or epic, or give the album a lame feel if it's cheesy.
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Whole lotta ruckus about an album title. It doesn't affect the music in any way. Nor does the artwork.
Only the music matters.
Artwork and title mean a lot to me, personally. It's part of the package and feel. The artwork gives the music a visual element. It can give the whole package a dark feel or a light and fluffy feel. And the title is, well, the title. I can really enhance the album if it's clever or epic, or give the album a lame feel if it's cheesy.
This is mostly true. However I'm a synesthetic, so visualization comes naturally to me.
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inb4 nothing happens :/
If nothing happens, then something happened.
wow that was zen as shit right there! :azn:
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Not sure if this was posted earlier in the thread. There's a lot of pages to sift through.
Link: https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/dream-theater-album-20130605
Dream Theater - New Album 9/24!!!
Dream Theater—John Petrucci on guitar, John Myung on bass, James LaBrie on vocals, Jordan Rudess on keyboards and continuum, and Mike Mangini on drums—have announced that their eagerly anticipated new studio album will be released September 24: the first self-titled release in the band's nearly three-decade career.
[Dream Theater 2013] Dream Theater 2013
Dream Theater was recorded at Cove City Sound Studios in Glen Cove, New York, with John Petrucci producing and studio luminary Richard Chycki (Aerosmith, Rush) engineering and mixing. The album marks a brilliant new chapter for the always adventurous band, their first to have been written and recorded with drummer Mike Mangini wholly integrated into the creative process from the start.
“I see every new album as an opportunity to start over,” says Petrucci. “To either build or improve upon a direction that has been evolving over time or to completely break new ground. This is the first self-titled album of our career and there is nothing I can think of that makes a statement of musical and creative identity stronger than that. We’ve fully explored all of the elements that make us unique, from the epic and intense to the atmospheric and cinematic. We’re incredibly excited about Dream Theater and can’t wait for everyone to hear it.”
Dream Theater will be available in a wide range of distinctive versions, including standard and special edition CDs, 180 gram double LP, and a limited edition boxed set. Pre-orders are scheduled to launch in July at the Roadrunner Records Webstore.
Of course, Dream Theater will tour in support of the new album—full details will be announced soon. For up-to-the-minute news and information, please visit www.dreamtheater.net/tourdates.
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FUCK.
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/dream-theater-album-20130605
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So it's self-titled? Cool! :tup Also,
This is the first self-titled album of our career
There'll be more? :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Xc_1fwJmBk8
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Dream Theater will be available in a wide range of distinctive versions, including standard and special edition CDs, 180 gram double LP, and a limited edition boxed set. Pre-orders are scheduled to launch in July at the Roadrunner Records Webstore.
Well... I better save up some money over the next month for that pre-order in July!!! :tup
:metal :metal :metal
-Marc.
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:omg: :omg: :omg:
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No tracklist! I'm sad. :(
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lol at the cake.
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I wonder if Jordan feels left out because his hair isn't long anymore...
-Marc.
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FUCK.
:rollin
I don't even know what to say about it being self titled anymore lol. I don't even care! but at the same time, the fact that it's self titled is inherently ambitious. The cogs of the hype machine will be chattering away...
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Aside from their first album, I hate when bands self title an album :/
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No tracklist! I'm sad. :(
I guess it would be cool to speculate but there is literally nothing that you can do with a tracklist. They are just words on a page.
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FUCK.
:rollin
I don't even know what to say about it being self titled anymore lol. I don't even care! but at the same time, the fact that it's self titled is inherently ambitious. The cogs of the hype machine will be chattering away...
Seriously, this better be the best damn album I have ever heard, because THAT is what decides if the album is a statement, not forgetting to name your album.
Gad, it even reads lamely. Dream Theater will be touring for Dream Theater etc etc.
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So no new info. Sucks. Balls.
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DREAM THEATRE!!!
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Did anyone watch the video on the news page! "The guitar must sound like chocolate cake." LMAO
Not sure how thrilled I am about the album being self-titled though. I'll let the newness wear off on that.
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Told you guys, it's happening. :)
Really excited about the videos from the studio, i hope there are a lot of them until the album releases.
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Anything new in the youtube clip? I can't watch because I'm at work.
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nothing new in the video but is awesome!!
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Anything new in the youtube clip? I can't watch because I'm at work.
Not really. It's neat to see them in the studio together and talking about the album, but there's no hint of new music, as to be expected at this early stage.
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Quite ballsy to make it a self-titled album, if you ask me. It's like the band is making a statement and saying: "THIS is Dream Theater. This is the most Dream Theater-esque album album we've ever released that we don't even need an album title. It's just Dream Theater."
Wow. Hope they live up to the bar they've set.
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FUCK.
:rollin
I don't even know what to say about it being self titled anymore lol. I don't even care! but at the same time, the fact that it's self titled is inherently ambitious. The cogs of the hype machine will be chattering away...
Seriously, this better be the best damn album I have ever heard, because THAT is what decides if the album is a statement, not forgetting to name your album.
Gad, it even reads lamely. Dream Theater will be touring for Dream Theater etc etc.
You're way over thinking man... It's not that big of a deal. :D
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FUCK.
:rollin
I don't even know what to say about it being self titled anymore lol. I don't even care! but at the same time, the fact that it's self titled is inherently ambitious. The cogs of the hype machine will be chattering away...
Seriously, this better be the best damn album I have ever heard, because THAT is what decides if the album is a statement, not forgetting to name your album.
Gad, it even reads lamely. Dream Theater will be touring for Dream Theater etc etc.
You're way over thinking man... It's not that big of a deal. :D
It is when everyone's already labelling the album such a big statement over an album name.
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Quite ballsy to make it a self-titled album, if you ask me. It's like the band is making a statement and saying: "THIS is Dream Theater. This is the most Dream Theater-esque album album we've ever released that we don't even need an album title. It's just Dream Theater."
Wow.
I'm not sure that's the goal behind self titling. I imagine more often then not a better title never came to mind.
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Except a little drum thing by Mangini at 0:27
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s/t?
Oh god no :\.
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"DT - The Purple Album" maybe?
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Not sure how I feel about the self-titling, but still very psyched about the new album, especially seeing that quick little in-studio video.
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The butthurt is as delicious as the Chocolate Cake.
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I'm just happy that the delay of the Luna Park DVD and the upcoming James Labrie album didn't affect the release of Dream Theater
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Purple popup is back on the site
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Damnnnn.. now i have a craving for chocolate cake! yum!
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artwork confirmed
(https://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/tmyne/DTplz_zps999c5232.png)
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I'm just happy that the delay of the Luna Park DVD and the upcoming James Labrie album didn't affect the release of Dream Theater
How do you know this album wasn't slated for late July originally?
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I'm just happy that the delay of the Luna Park DVD and the upcoming James Labrie album didn't affect the release of Dream Theater
How do you know this album wasn't slated for late July originally?
Because they didn't pre-emptively announce it :neverusethis:
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Purple popup is back on the site
I don't get the popup when I visit the site.
Maybe the album should be "Purple Nurples".
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Self-titled move is pretty ballsy and just plain awesome. Powerful stuff, quite the statement.
Chocolate cake, baby.
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That picture of the chocolate cake should be the album cover.
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Well, the album will be titled as "Dream Theater- The Chocolate Cake" :facepalm: kidding.
But it's nice to see JMX talking with such expression at that in-studio update.
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"DT - The Purple Album" maybe?
Hopefully that image has nothing to do with the album cover, since it's the wonkiest Majesty logo I've ever seen. Also, it wasn't shown with the announcement. I think it's just something they'll use for promotion until they have a cover.
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I wonder if anyone will get confused and accidentally buy WDADU when they try buying DT12. :lol
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the atmosphere on the video is pure magic, JM smiling while he's talking of the new song....everyone happy!!!this will be a masterpiece!!
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Who else thinks that this would never have happened with MP. He would have bought out his Rock Encyclopedia of facts and reasons why it shouldn't happen. I wouldn't be suprised to learn that this idea was bought up in the past and he shot it down.
I think they should write a new step to the AA suite just to rub it in, Maybe call it Amob Anonymous.
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Purple artwork with reflective majesty logo now the profile image for DT fb page
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Excited about the new album.....just hope it's not going to be delayed like the Luna Park DVD.... ;D
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"DT - The Purple Album" maybe?
Hopefully that image has nothing to do with the album cover, since it's the wonkiest Majesty logo I've ever seen. Also, it wasn't shown with the announcement. I think it's just something they'll use for promotion until they have a cover.
Well it's all over their facebook now.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151420485482181&set=a.10151420485452181.1073741826.7677942180&type=1&theater
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Who else thinks that this would never have happened with MP. He would have bought out his Rock Encyclopedia of facts and reasons why it shouldn't happen. I wouldn't be suprised to learn that this idea was bought up in the past and he shot it down.
I think they should write a new step to the AA suite just to rub it in, Maybe call it Amob Anonymous.
Um......being an asshat much?
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I already know I'm going to be disappointed by this album.
Is that purple logo actually the artwork? yuck
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Who else thinks that this would never have happened with MP. He would have bought out his Rock Encyclopedia of facts and reasons why it shouldn't happen. I wouldn't be suprised to learn that this idea was bought up in the past and he shot it down.
I think they should write a new step to the AA suite just to rub it in, Maybe call it Amob Anonymous.
LOL pls. this is not the forum for that kind of hating ;)
Also i dont find the purple to be as WONKY as people are saying it is. it looks better than a unicyclist thats for sure :D
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"DT - The Purple Album" maybe?
Hopefully that image has nothing to do with the album cover, since it's the wonkiest Majesty logo I've ever seen. Also, it wasn't shown with the announcement. I think it's just something they'll use for promotion until they have a cover.
Well it's all over their facebook now.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151420485482181&set=a.10151420485452181.1073741826.7677942180&type=1&theater
I've seen it. I'm a fan of them on FB! I just don't see this image being anything official. I think it's just a temporary promo image until they have an album cover, because Hugh Syme wouldn't use the wrong Majesty logo, and it doesn't look like his style. It just looks like a quick (although nice) rendering to me.
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I already know I'm going to be disappointed by this album.
Is that purple logo actually the artwork? yuck
That's the right attitude... ::)
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I've seen it. I'm a fan of them on FB! I just don't see this image being anything official. I think it's just a temporary promo image until they have an album cover, because Hugh Syme wouldn't use the wrong Majesty logo, and it doesn't look like his style. It just looks like a quick (although nice) rendering to me.
"The wrong" logo? What?
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If the purple majesty is the artwork is perfection!!
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Hopefully this purple Majesty logo will disappear into oblivion after the artwork is released, it looks like early 2000 internet, not digging it at all.
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self titled = bad, not happy but it's the music that matters
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I've seen it. I'm a fan of them on FB! I just don't see this image being anything official. I think it's just a temporary promo image until they have an album cover, because Hugh Syme wouldn't use the wrong Majesty logo, and it doesn't look like his style. It just looks like a quick (although nice) rendering to me.
"The wrong" logo? What?
The real majesty logo isn't that squished vertically, or that rounded, and it's not that symmetrical along the vertical axis either. Those bars are supposed to cross lower down. Also, the curves on the beam tails are way too sharp, and the serifs are nowhere near wide enough.
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Purple artwork with reflective majesty logo now the profile image for DT fb page
And I like it.
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The feel of the possible album cover just really turns me on. Dim, mysterious, vast....
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I sarcastically suggested the the album title would be "Majesty". I wasn't TOO far off I don't think. :lol
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The real majesty logo isn't that squished vertically, or that rounded, and it's not that symmetrical along the vertical axis either. Those bars are supposed to cross lower down. Also, the curves on the beam tails are way too sharp, and the serifs are nowhere near wide enough.
Maybe they're bringing themselves up to date. Apple and Microsoft have re-done their logos in recent years (MSFT more recently, though). Why not DT?
I think the logo looks fine.
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I sarcastically suggested the the album title would be "Majesty". I wasn't TOO far off I don't think. :lol
That would actually be a much better name. It hints at something special without slapping you in the face and insisting it.
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The real majesty logo isn't that squished vertically, or that rounded, and it's not that symmetrical along the vertical axis either. Those bars are supposed to cross lower down. Also, the curves on the beam tails are way too sharp, and the serifs are nowhere near wide enough.
Maybe they're bringing themselves up to date. Apple and Microsoft have re-done their logos in recent years (MSFT more recently, though). Why not DT?
I think the logo looks fine.
This.
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So it looks like my guess two years ago may not have been that far off;
(https://i42.tinypic.com/23l8ad.jpg)
:P
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I've seen it. I'm a fan of them on FB! I just don't see this image being anything official. I think it's just a temporary promo image until they have an album cover, because Hugh Syme wouldn't use the wrong Majesty logo, and it doesn't look like his style. It just looks like a quick (although nice) rendering to me.
"The wrong" logo? What?
The real majesty logo isn't that squished vertically, or that rounded, and it's not that symmetrical along the vertical axis either. Those bars are supposed to cross lower down. Also, the curves on the beam tails are way too sharp, and the serifs are nowhere near wide enough.
I would think you're crazy if you weren't a graphic designer :lol I still don't think it looks that bad. I can see what your talking about, but maybe the logo has changed for a newer dt... (?)
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Wow, the fact that people are this upset or annoyed with the self-titled aspect and logo blows my mind. Shouldn't we care about the music? I think the minimalist approach to their album title/potential artwork is refreshing. I for one can't wait for the new album. :metal :metal
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The internet has officially exploded. Look at how many people are on the forum.
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This kinda feels like Falling Into Infinity all over again for me. DT seems to be abandoning their winning formula of album titles/covers and going with a self-titled album and possibly just the majesty logo on the cover. It's not my cup of tea, personally, although Queensrÿche's upcoming self-titled album with the tri-ryche front and center on the cover have grown on me. So maybe I'll feel that way eventually with this DT album.
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What is amazing is that as RC said in the video, when a song was being written, if a part felt good, it made it all the way to the final product.
This is great and far from the typical DT recording process, it excites me very much.
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The internet has officially exploded. Look at how many people are on the forum.
I don't see anyone.
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This kinda feels like Falling Into Infinity all over again for me.
Oh god, don't tease me.
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I'm really getting a good feeling.
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The internet has officially exploded. Look at how many people are on the forum.
And people are saying that a name doesn't matter? It totally does, regardless of how indicative of the music it really is. This is part of a product people are going to be buying. the general consensus is that this is going to be the definitive album, and people will be throwing money at their monitors. If this isn't the most epic DT of all time, they could loose some credibility here.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/945678_10151420485482181_1722535816_n.png)
I'm really getting a good feeling.
It looks kinda girly.
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The internet has officially exploded. Look at how many people are on the forum.
And people are saying that a name doesn't matter? It totally does, regardless of how indicative of the music it really is. This is part of a product people are going to be buying. the general consensus is that this is going to be the definitive album, and people will be throwing money at their monitors. If this isn't the most epic DT of all time, they could loose some credibility here.
Who's to say it won't be? :)
Be optimistic! :tup
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I'm really getting a good feeling.
It looks kinda girly.
Purple = Majestic, =/= girly.
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I'm really getting a good feeling.
The Purple Album
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That picture of the chocolate cake should be the album cover.
Or at least in the album booklet! Not a lot of things make me :rollin but that did.
I like the subtitle "Purple album", like weezer's self titled color albums. Or we can call it DT12 as I have read.
This seems like a statement album for them, like "this is who we are" with all of the elements that make up the band.
I didn't think the purple logo would be the cover, but looks like it might. I like it.
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I am not a big fan of having self-titled albums when they aren't your first album, but it is not that big of a deal to where pissing and moaning about it non-stop is worth it. How good the music on it is is what ultimately matters.
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Well, I'm excited. Don't really care about the album being self-titled as long as the music is good -- and I see no indication why it shouldn't be.
Also I'm hungry for chocolate cake now. Thanks for that, DT :lol.
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Who's to say it won't be? :)
Be optimistic! :tup
I'd argue don't set your expectations too high. wait until release and let the album do the talking.
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Making a self-titled album at this point is a pretty ballsy and daring move, if you ask me. Good for them for being so ambitious. I like it!
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Whatever can be said about the title and art (I'm uncertain myself, but I'm awaiting the actual art), I think the far more interesting part of this news was the video. Just from that, they all seem to be quite excited about the album (judging from the fact that Myung speaks), and what they've said about the recording process, where they are essentially recording things as they write them, sounds very interesting. I think the video is certainly a better basis on which to judge the new album than the album title and possible Majesty symbol are, and from the video things look very good.
And now I want some chocolate cake.
"While you were typing, 11 new replies have been posted" y'all are insane.
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TRACKLIST.
I want to see the majesty of the titles of the songs and the song lengths, and hopefully we see one longer than 20:00.
Hopefully they don't have a song called Dream Theater, because if they do they'll be going Black Sabbath on us.
Black Sabbath, from Black Sabbath's album Black Sabbath!
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The internet has officially exploded. Look at how many people are on the forum.
And people are saying that a name doesn't matter? It totally does, regardless of how indicative of the music it really is. This is part of a product people are going to be buying. the general consensus is that this is going to be the definitive album, and people will be throwing money at their monitors. If this isn't the most epic DT of all time, they could loose some credibility here.
Who's to say it won't be? :)
Be optimistic! :tup
Probability. :biggrin:
But I will definitely be optimistic :tup
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OH MY GOD I CAN'T WAITTTTT
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I'm really getting a good feeling.
The Purple Album
Purple (mountains) Majesty! USA NUGGETZ
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Relax, guys, they only did it to fuck with our abbreviation system. :neverusethis:
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Purple/Black logo looks night cluby.
I'm most exciting about the recording techniques. Sounds like the album will have a much more natural "live" feel which I think it really important. As much as I loved ADTOE, it had such a peicemeal vibe to it, regarding how it all sounded put together.
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I like how parts of the writing process ended up on the album. I remember in Metallica's s/t documentary how Jaymz was composing a great riff and someone tripped his guitar cord and ruined the moment. Those composition moments are very important.
That reminds me....Metallica's "black album" was their 5th, and look how popular that was!
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Relax, guys, they only did it to fuck with our abbreviation system. :neverusethis:
DT2
YOUR MOVE DREAM THEATER.
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Hopefully they don't have a song called Dream Theater
Oh hell, now I hope they do this.
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I'd have a strong urge to skip it if they did have a song called Dream Theater.
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Hopefully they don't have a song called Dream Theater
Oh hell, now I hope they do this.
I have an exclusive on the chorus-
Dreeeeeeeam Theater
He's the man, the man with the midas touch
A Wizard's touch
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You get the whole "you're watching/listening to a movie" feel from the possible album cover, with the purple representing the majesty of it all.
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I just get the feeling I've been transported to a part of the internet that never escaped the year 2000.
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"Dream Theater" will be the instrumental song. Called it.
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"Dream Theater" will be the instrumental song. Called it.
I just remembered they were making an instrumental.
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Hopefully they don't have a song called Dream Theater
Oh hell, now I hope they do this.
I have an exclusive on the chorus-
Dreeeeeeeam Theater
He's the man, the man with the midas touch
A Wizard's touch
Well, on the bright side, I'd rather hear that chorus from James LaBrie than Shirley Bassey. :biggrin:
"Dream Theater" will be the instrumental song. Called it.
I just remembered they were making an instrumental.
This would be awesome.
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"Dream Theater" will be the instrumental song. Called it.
If some song on the album is called Dream Theater, it's probably the instrumental. That said, I don't think there'll be a self-titled song.
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It WILL be the best album they've ever made. Better than I/W, Awake, SFaM, and SDoIT, with all their greatness combined.
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I love the purple majesty logo. It has a very "fresh" feel to it. And I can certainly accept a self-titled album, even though I'm not crazy about. But most of all I'm just really happy we'll have new music in a few months.
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You know every time DT has a new album coming out, everyone gets all excited what the album title will be and for every album I've said to my friends, "...could not even have a title, maybe it'll be self-titled..."
But I never thought they'd actually MAKE a self-titled album, especially this late in their career, and because they opted out of calling FII self-titled, calling it a cop-out. But hey, they can do what they want. I was disappointed at first when I found out it's self-titled, because DT always has such creative, cool titles for their albums.
But ultimately, it doesn't matter. Bring on the album!!!
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What's all this chocolate cake that everyone is talking about? Did I miss something?
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I think someone's getting ahead of themselves. Unless they blow the doors wide open with new sounds and stuff they've never done before, then maybe. At best I see this being a lot like ADTOE but with crazier drumming. Not saying that as a bad thing as I like ADTOE alot, but yeah..
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It WILL be the best album they've ever made. Better than I/W, Awake, SFaM, and SDoIT, with all their greatness combined.
I can't see DT ever topping SFAM or SDOIT. But I'd love to be proven wrong, because that would have to be one hell of an album, I tell ya. :lol
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What's all this chocolate cake that everyone is talking about? Did I miss something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Xc_1fwJmBk8
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What's all this chocolate cake that everyone is talking about? Did I miss something?
In the announcement video, there's a picture of a chocolate cake tapped up in the studio with the caption: "The guitar must sound like THIS." John wanted his tone to sound "multi-layered, rich and with a perfect amount of icing on the top."
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Can't wait for the new release and it is nice to have a release date (hope it sticks). I could care less about the title or logo, just give me the "chocolate cake." I'm guessing the DVD package will have some sort of making of footage for the new album. Let the countdown begin. Exciting times ahead :metal.
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(https://i42.tinypic.com/2qsuzd4.jpg)
Hah.
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He can't have his guitar sound and eat it too.
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Ya know, we can talk about the album title all we want, and yada yada yada, but even though the height of my fandom was years ago, it is still an exciting time when you know a new Dream Theater album is just around the corner! :tup :tup
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It WILL be the best album they've ever made. Better than I/W, Awake, SFaM, and SDoIT, with all their greatness combined.
Don't want to sound too pessimistic, but if your expectations are THAT high, then it's likely that you'll be disappointed.
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What's all this chocolate cake that everyone is talking about? Did I miss something?
In the announcement video, there's a picture of a chocolate cake tapped up in the studio with the caption: "The guitar must sound like THIS." John wanted his tone to sound "multi-layered, rich and with a perfect amount of icing on the top."
Oh ok thanks! I didn't have a chance to watch that video yet so that's why.
Can't wait to check it out!
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OK, if guitar is the cake, keyboard is the ice cream. Get to work graphics people! :lol
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What's all this chocolate cake that everyone is talking about? Did I miss something?
In the announcement video, there's a picture of a chocolate cake tapped up in the studio with the caption: "The guitar must sound like THIS." John wanted his tone to sound "multi-layered, rich and with a perfect amount of icing on the top."
I'm going to go out on a completely unlikely limb here and say that the multi-layered blah blah blah explanation was a veiled attempt at saying "Gimme Eddie's famed "brown sound" from Van Halen 1". Chocolate = brown. VH1 = Tonal Holy Grail.
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I hope DT haven't gone "all in" with this title and the investment in all the media coverage etc. I'm deliberately not getting too hyped about this album. Maybe this will be the first time I listen to the album in full without hearing any teasers, clips or read any interviews!
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It WILL be the best album they've ever made. Better than I/W, Awake, SFaM, and SDoIT, with all their greatness combined.
Don't want to sound too pessimistic, but if your expectations are THAT high, then it's likely that you'll be disappointed.
I don't disappoint when it comes to new music. I was SUPER hyped about Clockwork Angels, and it's basically the best thing Rush's ever, EVER done.
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I wonder if this is an intentional nod to GENESIS and their 12th studio album also being self-titled?
If so, GENIUS idea, I always felt there was a bit of Genesis in Dream Theater (and always wished they could cover one of their albums or songs live...except "Turn It On Again").
-Marc.
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why wasn't the last one self titled seeing as that was the 'new start' or whatever?
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I guess self titling an album is the popular thing to do these days.
Hey Blob, can you make a better purple majesty album cover and send it to the guys. Please.
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OK, if guitar is the cake, keyboard is the ice cream. Get to work graphics people! :lol
This..
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why wasn't the last one self titled seeing as that was the 'new start' or whatever?
ADToE was the transition BETWEEN Portnoy and Mangini, as Mangini had no part in the writing.
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I don't like that it's self-titled... but whatever. I'm still pumped for this. :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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It WILL be the best album they've ever made. Better than I/W, Awake, SFaM, and SDoIT, with all their greatness combined.
Well it has to be at least as good as Awake, seeing as that's the album they've rewritten this time, right?
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Hey Blob, can you make a better purple majesty album cover and send it to the guys. Please.
Throw a stock photo of the Rocky Mountains behind it and call the pic "Purple Mountains Majesty".
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It WILL be the best album they've ever made. Better than I/W, Awake, SFaM, and SDoIT, with all their greatness combined.
Well it has to be at least as good as Awake, seeing as that's the album they've rewritten this time, right?
Makes sense, first it was Awake Theater, now it's Dream Theater.
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There will be 12 tracks, with one song split into two tracks; or there will be an intro track, with no music, maybe sound effects or dialogue.
or maybe 11 songs, and one bonus track, bring it to 12 tracks. This would keep the full circle going.
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What's all this chocolate cake that everyone is talking about? Did I miss something?
In the announcement video, there's a picture of a chocolate cake tapped up in the studio with the caption: "The guitar must sound like THIS." John wanted his tone to sound "multi-layered, rich and with a perfect amount of icing on the top."
I'm going to go out on a completely unlikely limb here and say that the multi-layered blah blah blah explanation was a veiled attempt at saying "Gimme Eddie's famed "brown sound" from Van Halen 1". Chocolate = brown. VH1 = Tonal Holy Grail.
Boy, that would be nice but unfortunately JP is way too much in love with ultra-modern sounding guitars. I wish he would switch back to Ibanez or a Gibson and go for that old sound.
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Hey Blob, can you make a better purple majesty album cover and send it to the guys. Please.
Throw a stock photo of the Rocky Mountains behind it and call the pic "Purple Mountains Majesty".
:clap:
-Marc.
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I guess self titling an album is the popular thing to do these days.
Hasn't this been done for decades?
(wow, took 3 tries to post that)
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:lol
I wasn't far off either :
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35334.msg1578334#msg1578334
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JP's new guitar rig unveiled!
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt_rich_cake.jpg)
DAT TONE!
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:lol :rollin :lol
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Someone. Quickly photoshop JP's new guitar that's a visual mix between his old Ibanez and the new ones but instead of shapes it has cakes all over.
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:lol
I wasn't far off either :
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35334.msg1578334#msg1578334
Ob La Di - Ob La di Another Da was genius all on its own.
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Wow you really do need to come here more often today. I missed entire pages before when I was eating.
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Self-titled huh.......nice. It makes perfect sense to call it that, especially since 6DOIT DT haven't really sounded like DT. Those albums had their influences on their sleeves. So, going by that logic, this may very well be as good as I&W and Scenes.
And I bet blob wouldve preferred if the album was called chocolate cake. Honestly, it makes me laugh people get that upset about an album being self-titled calling it uninspired, well let the music speak then judge it on being uninspired, calling it something else wouldve been uninspired and cheesy. But then you can't please everyone especially on the internet.
Anyways, bring it on DT.
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Wow you really do need to come here more often today. I missed entire pages before when I was eating.
Cake? This thread sure is making me hungry.
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JP's new guitar rig unveiled!
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt_rich_cake.jpg)
DAT TONE!
***ejaculates honey***
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Now that the big announcement is past, what do we do until September?
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Now that the big announcement is past, what do we do until September?
We bake a cake and eat it layer by layer until release day.
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We fuck around.
I hope rob called the artwork:
Something like this?
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2zstwrk.jpg)
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Now that the big announcement is past, what do we do until September?
We bake a cake and eat it layer by layer until release day.
No way. That shit would be stale.
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Now that the big announcement is past, what do we do until September?
We bake a cake and eat it layer by layer until release day.
Or wait for a single.
I'm waiting to see if any of this https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35334.msg1578299#msg1578299 turned out to be true
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We fuck around.
I hope rob called the artwork:
Something like this?
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2zstwrk.jpg)
I actually really like that.
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JP's new guitar rig unveiled!
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt_rich_cake.jpg)
DAT TONE!
***ejaculates honey***
Is............ is that..... what bears do? Now I'm getting horrible thoughts of Winnie the Pooh saying "OOOOOOHHHH HONEY!"
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Hey Blob, can you make a better purple majesty album cover and send it to the guys. Please.
Throw a stock photo of the Rocky Mountains behind it and call the pic "Purple Mountains Majesty".
:clap:
-Marc.
I'm claiming a portion of this clap for mentioning "purple mountains majesty" first. :P
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JP's new guitar rig unveiled!
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt_rich_cake.jpg)
DAT TONE!
***ejaculates honey***
Is............ is that..... what bears do? Now I'm getting horrible thoughts of Winnie the Pooh saying "OOOOOOHHHH HONEY!"
God damnit darkshade
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I actually think the self titled album idea is really cool.
I was under the impression that they weren't touring this year, but the "World Tour to be announced soon" gives me a different vibe. Would they really announce dates for next year this early?
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:lol
I wasn't far off either :
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35334.msg1578334#msg1578334
Ob La Di - Ob La di Another Da was genius all on its own.
Thank you ! :) x
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(https://i40.tinypic.com/j6oqw8.jpg)
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I guess self titling an album is the popular thing to do these days.
Hasn't this been done for decades?
(wow, took 3 tries to post that)
It has, but so many bands in the past couple years have done this.
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why wasn't the last one self titled seeing as that was the 'new start' or whatever?
Maybe they thought it would've been a bit disrespectful towards MP? Besides, now that Mangini is in the writing process, the new album is a total group effort, so it was better to wait until now.
Now that the big announcement is past, what do we do until September?
Speculate about everything related to the album, obviously! :P
Also, that JP pic is pure win.
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(https://i40.tinypic.com/j6oqw8.jpg)
:clap:
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They self-titled it to once-and-for-all end the confusion on whether the band name is Dream Theater or Dream Theatre.
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They self-titled it to once-and-for-all end the confusion on whether the band name is Dream Theater or Dream Theatre.
They're not British, so it was always Dream Theater
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JP's new guitar rig unveiled!
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt_rich_cake.jpg)
DAT TONE!
***ejaculates honey***
Is............ is that..... what bears do? Now I'm getting horrible thoughts of Winnie the Pooh saying "OOOOOOHHHH HONEY!"
God damnit darkshade
(https://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/1023/cover_5641924112009.jpg)
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They self-titled it to once-and-for-all end the confusion on whether the band name is Dream Theater or Dream Theatre.
Oh man, they should have totally called it "Dream Theatre - the new album by Dream Theater"
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They self-titled it to once-and-for-all end the confusion on whether the band name is Dream Theater or Dream Theatre.
They're not British, so it was always Dream Theater
But some people spell it the wrong way sometimes.
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Or
Drama Theatre
The making of DVD would be called " The Drama Must Go On...( darling)."
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(https://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/GasparXR/list_zps92e220d9.png)
Speculate guys. :coolio
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What are they gonna name the tour now ?
" Dream-atic Thea-TOUR " ?
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So not really any new info then. A tracklist and lenghts (the latter couldn't be known yet of course since the mix and master aren't done) is what I wanna know. Kinda knew it would come out in September anyway.
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(https://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/GasparXR/list_zps92e220d9.png)
Speculate guys. :coolio
It's their Starbucks order.
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What are they gonna name the tour now ?
" Dream-atic Thea-TOUR " ?
BAM. THERE IT IS! :metal
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Speculate guys. :coolio
Jordan fast? Does he do anything else? :P
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Speculate guys. :coolio
Jordan fast? Does he do anything else? :P
He is quite thin !
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(https://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/GasparXR/list_zps92e220d9.png)
Speculate guys. :coolio
Extensions and giants? :zydar:
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JR fast !
JP LONG !
JLB EXHAUSTED !!
:zydar:
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(https://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww224/GasparXR/list_zps92e220d9.png)
Speculate guys. :coolio
It's their Starbucks order.
:lol
I'm interested in the "Mellow Emaj prog" section. And the "JR Giant". Maybe he turns into the Green giant with a beard.
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JR fast !
JP LONG !
JLB EXHAUSTED !!
:zydar:
:omg: :lol :lol
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:laugh:
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Hey Blob, can you make a better purple majesty album cover and send it to the guys. Please.
Throw a stock photo of the Rocky Mountains behind it and call the pic "Purple Mountains Majesty".
:clap:
-Marc.
I'm claiming a portion of this clap for mentioning "purple mountains majesty" first. :P
I missed that. That's what I get for coming in at the end of a thread.
No way. That shit would be stale.
Some would probably argue that this would be a reasonably accurate assessment.
JR fast !
JP LONG !
JLB EXHAUSTED !!
:zydar:
THE EXAGGERATOR
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Think they'll do something like this? Maybe with more purple overtone?
(https://oi39.tinypic.com/30vjcps.jpg)
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Think they'll do something like this? Maybe with more purple overtone?
That's what I'm hoping for but with some surreal, dreamy imagery to it. Maybe referencing song titles?
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I REALLY hope that purple thing is not the album cover :\
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Think they'll do something like this? Maybe with more purple overtone?
That's what I'm hoping for but with some surreal, dreamy imagery to it. Maybe referencing song titles?
nuggetz, no wai?
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JR fast !
JP LONG !
JLB EXHAUSTED !!
:zydar:
THE EXAGGERATOR
Oh shit, I just spit out root beer. Amazing.
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And the storm of replies is beginning to die down.
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Interesting choice of title. Absolutely can't wait for it :metal
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And the storm of replies is beginning to die down.
I guess most of them are getting back to their lives.
Except me. .....I don't have a life. :P
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I don't know if I like the title, but that's possibly because I'd already seen the release date, and I was letting myself getting excited about the announcement. "The title is... THERE IS NO TITLE!" Bit anticlimactic. I think it'd be fair to say ADToE was the album that had something to prove... but, this is the one written as a gang, this is the one that's a statement of the new lineup, so I do see the logic.
If they have a song called Dream Theater, I'll be stoked. That's ballsy. Very excited to see the cover art and the tracklist. But a little underwhelmed by today's announcement, personally. Completely my own fault, but it feels like the lid's not been lifted. It's just drifted ajar.
Mind you, crockery must be flying in the Chateau Portnoy. Not only have they positioned this as the definitive DT album... but they did a thing the Beatles did!! It is going to take a Lost marathon to get MP back to his happy place.
And the storm of replies is beginning to die down.
I guess most of them are getting back to their lives.
Opposite here, I've just got in from work. BRING THE THUNDER!!
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:lol Now people are gonna think they're definitely taking subtle digs at Portnoy.
First they do a self titled album like what Metallica & Beatles did but they say it's their best album !!
It is going to take a Lost marathon to get MP back to his happy place.
Or a barrage of Passive Agressive social media posts !
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Mike Mangini from a talk with the (ex)Italian Dreamers staff:
"Ragazzi, lasciate perdere la data d'uscita, i titoli dei brani, e tutto il resto. Abbiamo lavorato intensamente ed in modo rilassato per cinque mesi e siamo contenti di questo album, abbiate fede ed attendete fiduciosi la data d'uscita. Concentratevi sulla musica che ascolterete"
"Guys, don't care about release date, songs titles, and all the rest. We've worked in a relaxed way for 5 months and we're really happy about this album, so have faith and wait confident the release date. Concentrate on the music you'll hear"
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Not a-good enough-a !
We want song titles and artwork and a single !! And we want it now !!
:angry: :angry:
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Why should Portnoy be offended by them saying that it's their best album to date? Doesn't, you know, every artist ever think that about their most recent album?
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I knew something was up yesterday when that pop-up was leaked on their website with just the majesty symbol and the release date with no title.......and while I don't want it, I think the purple image will be the album cover :(
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Watching that video made me more excited. Their happiness and overall excitement in the studio is great. Those look like clips from a behind the scenes video, if so then pre-order I shall, not like I wasn't going to anyway.
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If it is, I'm not going to kill them for it. We'll only have to wait until 2015/16 for DT13.
Also, we still have no clue what the booklet art is going to be like, so hold your tongue that the artwork for this album is all bad.
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Watching that video made me more excited. Their happiness and overall excitement in the studio is great. Those look like clips from a behind the scenes video, if so then pre-order I shall, not like I wasn't going to anyway.
It's called "InStudio episode 1," so I think we'll be getting them weekly, at a guess? Certainly semi-regularly through YouTube.
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And now I'm getting a bad habit of checking this page https://www.dreamtheater.net/media/discography to see if the new album's tracklist is there (completely unlikely at any given moment for probably a few days.)
Though tomorrow two years ago John Petrucci revealed the tracklist so we might see it soon.
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So let's pretend for a second that the image we've seen is the album art, does that mean they aren't using Hugh syme? Because it doesn't really look like his work, and if they hired him to just make that it'd seem like a waste to me.. I'm pretty sure this isn't the album art, but maybe represents the overall color scheme or something. Thoughts?
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So let's pretend for a second that the image we've seen is the album art, does that mean they aren't using Hugh syme? Because it doesn't really look like his work, and if they hired him to just make that it'd seem like a waste to me.. I'm pretty sure this isn't the album art, but maybe represents the overall color scheme or something. Thoughts?
I'm gonna say it's PART of the album art. When they revealed ADTOE and it's tracklisting, a banner showed the top fifth of the artwork, showing the album title and band name.
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Remember what happened with "The Shaman's Trance". Maybe this time they won't reveal the tracklist until everything is absolutely clear.
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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/DreamTheater
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_eponymous_albums
Edited those two pages so that the 12th studio album appears in both.
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I don't care that much about album cover and tracklist: the first because the booklet art that I love the most is in FII, that has the worst cover IMO. The second because many of the songs by DT that I like the most have names that are just simple and plain, such as Surrounded, Learning to Live, 6:00, Voices, Blind Faith, and so on.
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WTF is wrong with those guys. "Dream Theater"?! Really?!!!
How are we supposed to abbreviate this on this forum?!! Do they not care about us at all?!!!
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WTF is wrong with those guys. "Dream Theater"?! Really?!!!
How are we supposed to abbreviate this on this forum?!! Do they not care about us at all?!!!
DT12, that's how.
I don't care that much about album cover and tracklist: the first because the booklet art that I love the most is in FII, that has the worst cover IMO. The second because many of the songs by DT that I like the most have names that are just simple and plain, such as Surrounded, Learning to Live, 6:00, Voices, Blind Faith, and so on.
Does this mean the band is using simple art to make us doubt how great the album is, then suddenly DAMN AMAZING SONGS?
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LOL! We call the albums by the number until the official title is announced.
But this one shall stay DT12 forever....
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Possible song structure?
Taken from 0:55 mark from the video. Not really clear but maybe someone with incredible vision can make something
(https://s24.postimg.org/iu1xkn18l/song.jpg)
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Ticks Degrees Of Inner Turbulent Song Structures
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WTF is wrong with those guys. "Dream Theater"?! Really?!!!
How are we supposed to abbreviate this on this forum?!! Do they not care about us at all?!!!
Purple album!!!
OH SHIT!!! I had a amazing thought: DOUBLE PURPLE VINYL!!! :metal :metal :metal
Off to twitter...
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DT12 would work, but DTA (Dream Theater Album) could as well, and PA or DTP if it is indeed purple. :P
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Possible song structure?
Taken from 0:55 mark from the video. Not really clear but maybe someone with incredible vision can make something
(https://s24.postimg.org/iu1xkn18l/song.jpg)
Last word's "mellow," but I don't think it's of much use even for speculation purposes. "Weird" three above it.
There's a song chart later in the video, paused it... and the songs are just called "Song 1," "Song 2," "Song 3!" They're on to us!
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The thing that bums me out most about it being self titled, is that it probably means it won't be a concept album.
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I feel we need a track listing/album cover right now since the reveal of the title was anticlimactic!
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WTF is wrong with those guys. "Dream Theater"?! Really?!!!
How are we supposed to abbreviate this on this forum?!! Do they not care about us at all?!!!
:lol
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Wednesday : ANNOUNCEMENT COMING TOMORROW ! DREAM THEATER ALBUM COMING SEPTEMBER 24!!!
Thursday : "DREAM THEATER" ALBUM COMING SEPTEMBER 24!!!
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CSI Filter:
(https://i43.tinypic.com/15qw3fo.jpg)
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The thing that bums me out most about it being self titled, is that it probably means it won't be a concept album.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. It could be about a dream-granting genie that lives in a dilapidated theater, for all we know.
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I feel we need a track listing/album cover right now since the reveal of the title was anticlimactic!
Wait, so we don't think that purple thing is the album cover? hahaha.
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No, I'm fairly confident it's not. Wrong shape, and they'd be making a hubbub - "We can EXCLUSIVELY reveal this BITCHING cover art what HUGH SYME gone and done!"
CSI Filter:
(https://i43.tinypic.com/15qw3fo.jpg)
Whoa - a CSI filter that actually works! You can read most of that.
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Purple album!!!
I don't have a problem with that at ALL. :2metal:
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If we have to label it a color, let's just be a little more artistic about it:
The Violet Album
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Semantics. :lol :tup
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The alplum.
Anyone? :lol
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The alplum.
Anyone? :lol
:rollin
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DT12 would work, but DTA (Dream Theater Album) could as well, and PA or DTP if it is indeed purple. :P
But then it'll get confused with "Devin Townsend Project" all the time. :P
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Violet is cool, since STP already used Purple.
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How about DTDT
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We could always just call it M, like the majesty symbol. You know, DreaMMMMMM.
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Actually I just used the 1080p setting on youtube and went fullscreen.
What I see:
Weird B Crimson
Ritard on 3
Big E --- ---
E ---- -----
V1 (Em)
Ch1 (C)
Jordan fast
E ---- set up
V2 w/ -----
Ch2 (C)
Vocal Bridge (Chic ----)
Into -- F#
Jordan toy extension (?)
MM ---- / JR ---
JP long pattern w/
Weird B Crimson
Ritard on 3
E hold
Mellow E major prog
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Jordan toy extention (?)
Kinky.
Also it's E maj(or) prog :biggrin:
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WTF is wrong with those guys. "Dream Theater"?! Really?!!!
How are we supposed to abbreviate this on this forum?!! Do they not care about us at all?!!!
I certainly hope they don't take anything that's said on this forum into consideration. It would completely destroy the music and the bands image. :lol
If anything, at most any of the band members will take away from the forums is the fact that some people are complaining and there is no pleasing everyone. But based on what JP has said in the past, I don't think this affects him in the slightest. The album sales, ticket sales and energy from the crowds at those concerts probably speak worlds more to him than a hand full of commenters that complain on this forum.
personally, hearing news about the release day and self titled album name has simply made me incredibly excited in wanting to hear the new album. I'll reserve every bit of judgement after I give it a spin.
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DT S-T.
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Sitting here, playing my lap dulcimer...
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Violet is cool, since STP already used Purple.
Yeah but their album was called Purple and the DT album would be called The Purple Album
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How about DTDT
The first way my brain reacted to the problem. Unless something great pops up I'll be likely sticking to DTDT :D
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How about DTDT
The first way my brain reacted to the problem. Unless something great pops up I'll be likely sticking to DTDT :D
I think we need a really meaningless thread with voting and polls to decide what to abbreviate it as.
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DTDT
DTST
DT12
All seem pretty appropriate!
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https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37374.0
If you really want it though
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I am not a big fan of having self-titled albums when they aren't your first album, but it is not that big of a deal to where pissing and moaning about it non-stop is worth it. How good the music on it is is what ultimately matters.
This. I'm just glad these guys are continuing to bring out new music and touring regularly, especially considering how long they've been doing it. If they can top ADToE, I'll be delighted - as it's still my #3 DT album.
I hope they release a song before the album again like with OtBoA, but if not, there's plenty of great stuff on the horizon to keep me occupied until the end of September. Final seasons of Breaking Bad and Dexter, new JLB solo album and GTA5 comes out 1 week before DT12! Plus the in-studio videos look interesting - hope there are several installments of those.
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The old System of a Down forum I was a part of used to abbreviate their self titled album as just ST, and they'd refer to it as 'self titled'.
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The old System of a Down forum I was a part of used to abbreviate their self titled album as just ST, and they'd refer to it as 'self titled'.
I thought it was Shitty Tunes?
:rollin
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From Mike Mangini: I cannot wait for it to be heard. Every note. Every song. Every instrument and person in the band. I could NOT be happier and hope everyone that it into DT is as well. Chocolate Cake for sure !!
and from the Cove City Sound Studios FB page:
It was truly an amazing experience helping Dream Theater craft their latest album, self titled "Dream Theater". With Rich Chycki at the helm and our assistant engineer James Meslin, "Dream Theatre" will easily be one of the greatest records ever recorded at Cove City Sound Studios. Thank you very much to all the members of Dream Theater, as well as their tech team for sharing this experience with us!
So, maybe this album is very amazing!!!
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From Mike Mangini: I cannot wait for it to be heard. Every note. Every song. Every instrument and person in the band. I could NOT be happier and hope everyone that it into DT is as well. Chocolate Cake for sure !!
and from the Cove City Sound Studios FB page:
It was truly an amazing experience helping Dream Theater craft their latest album, self titled "Dream Theater". With Rich Chycki at the helm and our assistant engineer James Meslin, "Dream Theatre" will easily be one of the greatest records ever recorded at Cove City Sound Studios. Thank you very much to all the members of Dream Theater, as well as their tech team for sharing this experience with us!
So, maybe this album is very amazing!!!
:facepalm:
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From Mike Mangini: I cannot wait for it to be heard. Every note. Every song. Every instrument and person in the band. I could NOT be happier and hope everyone that it into DT is as well. Chocolate Cake for sure !!
and from the Cove City Sound Studios FB page:
It was truly an amazing experience helping Dream Theater craft their latest album, self titled "Dream Theater". With Rich Chycki at the helm and our assistant engineer James Meslin, "Dream Theatre" will easily be one of the greatest records ever recorded at Cove City Sound Studios. Thank you very much to all the members of Dream Theater, as well as their tech team for sharing this experience with us!
So, maybe this album is very amazing!!!
:facepalm:
My first reaction as well :biggrin:
Especially since they got it right three times :facepalm:
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From Mike Mangini: I cannot wait for it to be heard. Every note. Every song. Every instrument and person in the band. I could NOT be happier and hope everyone that it into DT is as well. Chocolate Cake for sure !!
and from the Cove City Sound Studios FB page:
It was truly an amazing experience helping Dream Theater craft their latest album, self titled "Dream Theater". With Rich Chycki at the helm and our assistant engineer James Meslin, "Dream Theatre" will easily be one of the greatest records ever recorded at Cove City Sound Studios. Thank you very much to all the members of Dream Theater, as well as their tech team for sharing this experience with us!
So, maybe this album is very amazing!!!
:facepalm:
OH MY GOURD, IT'S NOT SELF TITLED AFTER ALL. *HUFF PUFF HUFF PUFF*
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Hopefully after it comes out we'll be calling it the best fucking DT album ever. :metal :metal :metal
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From Mike Mangini: I cannot wait for it to be heard. Every note. Every song. Every instrument and person in the band. I could NOT be happier and hope everyone that it into DT is as well. Chocolate Cake for sure !!
and from the Cove City Sound Studios FB page:
It was truly an amazing experience helping Dream Theater craft their latest album, self titled "Dream Theater". With Rich Chycki at the helm and our assistant engineer James Meslin, "Dream Theatre" will easily be one of the greatest records ever recorded at Cove City Sound Studios. Thank you very much to all the members of Dream Theater, as well as their tech team for sharing this experience with us!
So, maybe this album is very amazing!!!
:facepalm:
My first reaction as well :biggrin:
Especially since they got it right three times :facepalm:
Well, you know what they say. Three out of four ain't bad.
(https://skitch-img.s3.amazonaws.com/20080928-pc1h5xbdetukrfsj1et15m8t9k.preview.jpg)
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Hopefully after it comes out we'll be calling it the best fucking DT album ever. :metal :metal :metal
:tup
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Hopefully after it comes out we'll be calling it the best fucking DT album ever. :metal :metal :metal
Eh, Awake still exists :)
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Just got back from class and saw the video.
HAPPENING STATUS: IT'S!!!!
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Just got back from class and saw the video.
HAPPENING STATUS: IT'S!!!!
:lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq1SZrZbRMA
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Hopefully after it comes out we'll be calling it the best fucking DT album ever. :metal :metal :metal
Eh, Awake still exists :)
My list has Awake at no.5. Don't hate me. :heart
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Hopefully after it comes out we'll be calling it the best fucking DT album ever. :metal :metal :metal
Eh, Awake still exists :)
My list has Awake at no.5. Don't hate me. :heart
Yeah, Awake isn't THAT great. Jordan didn't even join the band til 6 years later.. :biggrin:
OH SNAP!
:lol
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I think the title is a missed opportunity. If they wanted to self-title the album, they should have called it "Dream Theatre" to spice things up.
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Hopefully after it comes out we'll be calling it the best fucking DT album ever. :metal :metal :metal
Eh, Awake still exists :)
My list has Awake at no.5. Don't hate me. :heart
Yeah, Awake isn't THAT great. Jordan didn't even join the band til 6 years later.. :biggrin:
OH SNAP!
:lol
:lol :tup
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Purple. Maybe a guest appearance by Prince?
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Hopefully after it comes out we'll be calling it the best fucking DT album ever. :metal :metal :metal
Eh, Awake SFAM still exists :)
Awake is my #3 though :)
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Hopefully after it comes out we'll be calling it the best fucking DT album ever. :metal :metal :metal
Eh, Awake still exists :)
My list has Awake at no.5. Don't hate me. :heart
Yeah, Awake isn't THAT great. Jordan didn't even join the band til 6 years later.. :biggrin:
OH SNAP!
:lol
Jordan won't be happy when he knows that according to your alternate history he didn't play on SFAM :P
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Regarding the purple majesty logo and some people referring to this as the "Purple Album." Here is the symbolism of the color purple:
Link: https://crystal-cure.com/purple.html
"Purple is the color of good judgment. It is the color of people seeking spiritual fulfillment. It is said if you surround yourself with purple you will have peace of mind. Purple is a good color to use in meditation. Purple has been used to symbolize magic and mystery, as well as royalty. Being the combination of red and blue, the warmest and coolest colors, purple is believed to be the ideal color. Most children love the color purple. Purple is the color most favored by artists. Thursday's color is purple."
EDIT: Also, I think there's more to that majesty logo than we are seeing. It looks like there's something reflected in it. It reminds me of Peter Gabriel's Up album, where you could see a reflection of his face inside each of the water droplets. We'll have to see when a high resolution version of the artwork is released.
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The title was revealed on a Thursday.
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NUGGETZ
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I would like to know how purple came to be Thursday's color :lol
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Maybe Wednesday was Red and Friday was Blue and they totes fell in love and shipped.
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the JP/cake part of the video, did anyone notice the dry erase board with the songs? looks like 9...
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Just when you thought it was over.... "12-Step Reprise"
It will be dance/house music (like those 4 seconds in BAI) consisting of themes from the 12 Step Saga.
I'm calling it.
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It better not be self titled. :tdwn No album but a debut should ever be self titled.
Tell that to Metallica :hat
Nobody in the world calls that album "Metallica", or self titled anyway. It is The Black Album.
And considering one reason I hate self titled albums is because they're lazy, the equally uninspired album cover of that album really doesn't help the cause at all. :lol
No, but technically it's named "Metallica", even though it de facto is called "The Black Album". "Dream theater" will of course get the same treatment.
Titles and cover art isn't really that important to me as long as the core (i.e. the music) is good...so let's see what happens on that front :)
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the JP/cake part of the video, did anyone notice the dry erase board with the songs? looks like 9...
This, so our silly 11 song theory was false.
Unless 1 of the songs has 3 parts.
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So the announcement says that it is going to be on a double LP which is standard CD length.
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Yep, we know that the album is at least less than 80 minutes in length. No double album.
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I say we call it DTDT1 as JP said its their first Self titled album, MORE TO COME!
But i'm most worried about this quote from JP “To either build or improve upon a direction that has been evolving over time or to completely break new ground."
New band direction? POP music it is....
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Yep, we know that the album is at least less than 80 minutes in length. No double album.
Not so fast. One side of an LP holds a bit more than 25 minutes of music. So imagine each side is full to the brim-- or close. Let's just say there's only 22 minutes of music per side. That makes the overall length of the album 88 minutes long, which is approximated two 42 minute discs. Which honestly isn't that far off from where SDOIT is.
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I say we call it DTDT1 as JP said its their first Self titled album, MORE TO COME!
But i'm most worried about this quote from JP “To either build or improve upon a direction that has been evolving over time or to completely break new ground."
New band direction? POP music it is....
No, the new direction is that every album from now on will be self-titled. This is just the first.
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the JP/cake part of the video, did anyone notice the dry erase board with the songs? looks like 9...
How can you see that? It's way too blurry and in the background....
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DTDT1, DTDT2, DTDT3... etc... reminds me of structuring organic molecules in chemistry...
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I've seen it. I'm a fan of them on FB! I just don't see this image being anything official. I think it's just a temporary promo image until they have an album cover, because Hugh Syme wouldn't use the wrong Majesty logo, and it doesn't look like his style. It just looks like a quick (although nice) rendering to me.
"The wrong" logo? What?
The real majesty logo isn't that squished vertically, or that rounded, and it's not that symmetrical along the vertical axis either. Those bars are supposed to cross lower down. Also, the curves on the beam tails are way too sharp, and the serifs are nowhere near wide enough.
Also, I just noticed that the lighting on this majesty logo looks wrong. The shadow is perfectly sitting in front of the logo, which means the lighting would need to come directly from the back. Meanwhile, the front left side of the majesty logo also seems to have light hitting it, but there's no shadow behind the logo to account for that light. :huh:
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WDADU is the first era.
DT12 is the second era.
I do not think we will have DTDT2 or DTDT3 just because he said "more will come".
He most likely wasn't intending for fans to think there would be some unoriginal Dream Theater II or Dream Theater III, and I would much rather not know what the album is called so that I may anticipate learning the name.
Predictability is not the nature of a progressive band.
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Yep, we know that the album is at least less than 80 minutes in length. No double album.
Not so fast. One side of an LP holds a bit more than 25 minutes of music. So imagine each side is full to the brim-- or close. Let's just say there's only 22 minutes of music per side. That makes the overall length of the album 88 minutes long, which is approximated two 42 minute discs. Which honestly isn't that far off from where SDOIT is.
That still doesn't make it a double album. Isn't a double album recognized as 100 minutes in order for each sale to count as 2 (a double album)?
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Well it appears as though there will be 9 songs on the album. This perhaps diminishes the chances of a song that is 20+ minutes long, UNLESS it's a double album.
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I don't think it'll be a double album, they most likely would've mentioned that in today's PR.
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Does anyone else get really annoyed when people say "This is definitely DT's best album"? I'm hoping just as much as anyone that this album kicks ass, but I can't stand it when people claim for absolutely certain that this album will be their best, that it'll beat Images, Awake, and SFAM. I'd love for it to be their best, but no one can make that judgement until we can actually listen to the album.
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Yep, we know that the album is at least less than 80 minutes in length. No double album.
Not so fast. One side of an LP holds a bit more than 25 minutes of music. So imagine each side is full to the brim-- or close. Let's just say there's only 22 minutes of music per side. That makes the overall length of the album 88 minutes long, which is approximated two 42 minute discs. Which honestly isn't that far off from where SDOIT is.
That still doesn't make it a double album. Isn't a double album recognized as 100 minutes in order for each sale to count as 2 (a double album)?
Oh, I don't know anything about that. Six Degres was not a double album under that definition, either. Nor are most of the double albums from the vinyl era.
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Well it appears as though there will be 9 songs on the album. This perhaps diminishes the chances of a song that is 20+ minutes long, UNLESS it's a double album.
What about Octavarium? It contains 8 songs (which isn't really that far) and it has a 20+min song.
We can only hope :)
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Self titled? Not a problem for me, in fact I find it cool that they do it this deep into their careers. Obviously they could have done this earlier but chose not to and I trust their reasons for doing it now. I DO NOT think it is a jab at MP as some have speculated. I just don't see that as part of their overall character. I'm sure they are all WAY beyond wasting any time on petty jabs.
I like to see this as their way of saying "Hey, by the way we are Dream Theater. We have been working our asses off for 30 years to produce some of the best music on the planet and we thought we would catch our breaths, look into the crowd, smile and say HI"
Nothing sinister here, it is kind of like when JLB acknowledges the crowd after 2 or 3 blistering opening tunes and then he takes a moment to give a shout out and introduce themselves.
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I like to see this as their way of saying "Hey, by the way we are Dream Theater. We have been working our asses off for 30 years to produce some of the best music on the planet and we thought we would catch our breaths, look into the crowd, smile and say HI"
:clap:
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I like to see this as their way of saying "Hey, by the way we are Dream Theater. We have been working our asses off for 30 years to produce some of the best music on the planet and we thought we would catch our breaths, look into the crowd, smile and say HI"
:clap:
heh..heh...I got the clap from Lonestar....heh heh.
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Not sure if this was mentioned already, but did anyone notice the lyric sheet from the DT studio photos on the Cove City Sound facebook page? You can actually read it clearly!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/977635_591997357501722_762389296_o.jpg)
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Hopefully after it comes out we'll be calling it the best fucking DT album ever. :metal :metal :metal
Eh, Awake still exists :)
My list has Awake at no.5. Don't hate me. :heart
Yeah, Awake isn't THAT great. Jordan didn't even join the band til 6 years later.. :biggrin:
OH SNAP!
:lol
Jordan won't be happy when he knows that according to your alternate history he didn't play on SFAM :P
Damn, why did I think Awake was 1993?
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Not sure if this was mentioned already, but did anyone notice the lyric sheet from the DT studio photos on the Cove City Sound facebook page? You can actually read it clearly!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/977635_591997357501722_762389296_o.jpg)
"I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside"
The song could very well be called "The Enemy Inside".
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Or just Enemy.
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Or just 'The'
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Or just "Dream Theater"
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Or just ""
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Or just "Self Titled"
Seriously, The Enemy Inside sounds like a cool song title.
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Sounds like something you'd see on ToT :-X
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Or just "Self Titled"
Seriously, The Enemy Inside sounds like a cool song title.
Reminds me of The Enemy Within by Rush
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Or just "Self Titled"
Seriously, The Enemy Inside sounds like a cool song title.
Reminds me of The Enemy Within by Rush
WWRD
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Or just "Self Titled"
Seriously, The Enemy Inside sounds like a cool song title.
Reminds me of The Enemy Within by Rush
WWRD
Dream Theater are too smart to follow Reagan. Nice try.
:neverusethis:
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Or just "Dream Theater"
I predict this will be quite the running joke in a few years :D
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Or just "Self Titled"
Seriously, The Enemy Inside sounds like a cool song title.
Reminds me of The Enemy Within by Rush
First thing I thought.
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The lyrics sound like something Redemption would do.
Maybe Ray Adler does guest vocals in return for the guest vocals done by JLB for Redemption :o
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How about that custom baritone with the floyd rose!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/965126_591997497501708_563733725_o.jpg)
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Self titled? Not a problem for me, in fact I find it cool that they do it this deep into their careers. Obviously they could have done this earlier but chose not to and I trust their reasons for doing it now. I DO NOT think it is a jab at MP as some have speculated. I just don't see that as part of their overall character. I'm sure they are all WAY beyond wasting any time on petty jabs.
I like to see this as their way of saying "Hey, by the way we are Dream Theater. We have been working our asses off for 30 years to produce some of the best music on the planet and we thought we would catch our breaths, look into the crowd, smile and say HI"
Nothing sinister here, it is kind of like when JLB acknowledges the crowd after 2 or 3 blistering opening tunes and then he takes a moment to give a shout out and introduce themselves.
forevermore?
INTO THE NIGHT?!
BLISTERING?!?!?!1
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How about that custom baritone with the floyd rose!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/965126_591997497501708_563733725_o.jpg)
I'm wondering what that guitar on the right is. It clearly says JP13, but doesn't seem to have a piezo and the neck color seems to be a lot brighter.
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How about that custom baritone with the floyd rose!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/965126_591997497501708_563733725_o.jpg)
I'm wondering what that guitar on the right is. It clearly says JP13, but doesn't seem to have a piezo and the neck color seems to be a lot brighter.
That's the one I was talking about. I'm pretty sure it's a baritone - the neck profile seems longer than normal. It's got a floyd rose too which is odd. Never seen that on any of JP's Music Man guitars.
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Maybe it's a special for John. There's at least no such guitar at Music Man's site, but then again the regular JP13 hasn't been released yet either. The Floyd is kinda downgrading the looks of the guitar IMO (which it would on any guitar).
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I'd love to see DT to truly embrace their prog side and finally have an album with several short unaccompanied songs, like a short piano or acoustic song, ala Yes' Mood for a Day, The Flower Kings' If 28 or Rush's Hope. They sort of did that on SFAM by having Through My Words, except that that had some singing, too. It could give an album a more cohesive and better flow by having several transitional pieces like those that act as sort of a brief comedown between two 10-minute plus tunes.
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Not sure if this was mentioned already, but did anyone notice the lyric sheet from the DT studio photos on the Cove City Sound facebook page? You can actually read it clearly!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/977635_591997357501722_762389296_o.jpg)
"I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside"
The song could very well be called "The Enemy Inside".
Yay! First piece of lyrics already...
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IF this is a concept album...
Edward's remorse for murdering the two is the "enemy inside"
"I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside"
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(https://t.qkme.me/3qitpz.jpg)
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I really doubt that it's a concept album. Concept albums need titles.
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I really doubt that it's a concept album. Concept albums need titles.
Unless the band is being so progressive that they're deliberately making a concept album that's self-titled. :biggrin:
But in all seriousness, you're probably right.
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I really doubt that it's a concept album. Concept albums need titles.
Unless the band is being so progressive that they're deliberately making a concept album that's self-titled. :biggrin:
But in all seriousness, you're probably right.
Yeah, it could be a concept about the band themselves. :lol
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Sooooo, I don't think we have overanalyzed the album title enough yet.
Given that this album is " Dream Theater" and not any of the ones before, does that mean this album is the "true" Dream Theater? That is, more than in previous personnel configurations?
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I'd love to see DT to truly embrace their prog side and finally have an album with several short unaccompanied songs, like a short piano or acoustic song, ala Yes' Mood for a Day, The Flower Kings' If 28 or Rush's Hope. They sort of did that on SFAM by having Through My Words, except that that had some singing, too. It could give an album a more cohesive and better flow by having several transitional pieces like those that act as sort of a brief comedown between two 10-minute plus tunes.
I'd much rather have an album where every song is equally strong, maybe more like Train of Thought, than something with more transitional tracks, which is something DT hasn't done a lot of (and I'm glad they haven't).
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I hope the so called 'new direction' really shows some influence from Meshuggah and all the "chugging" bands Petrucci is a fan of (Veil of Maya, Periphery). I'm not wanting this to be the main metal genre present on the album, but some influence on the riffs and polirythms would be awesome, since JP apparently loves that stuff
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But Train of Thought is bad???
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Just give me a mix of Heavy melody ala TCOT and BAI with instrumental wizardy thrown in for good measure and I will be elated! Cannot wait for this release
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I'd love to see DT to truly embrace their prog side and finally have an album with several short unaccompanied songs, like a short piano or acoustic song, ala Yes' Mood for a Day, The Flower Kings' If 28 or Rush's Hope. They sort of did that on SFAM by having Through My Words, except that that had some singing, too. It could give an album a more cohesive and better flow by having several transitional pieces like those that act as sort of a brief comedown between two 10-minute plus tunes.
I'd much rather have an album where every song is equally strong, maybe more like Train of Thought, than something with more transitional tracks, which is something DT hasn't done a lot of (and I'm glad they haven't).
They can still have an album with all strong tracks, while still having transitional tracks. The greater good is often more important, and if an album flows better and works better, I say go for it.
Think of it like an action movie: you don't want every scene in the movie to be non-stop action. You need scenes that bring it down a bit, that way, when the action scenes do kick in, they have more punch (instead of just action after action after action). Same way with an album, where ebb and flow can make an album that much better.
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JP said that this is their broadest and most cohesive expression yet.
Aren't those opposites? :lol
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I really doubt that it's a concept album. Concept albums need titles.
What if Metropolis Pt. 3 is a SONG from this album, and the album after this is Metropolis Pt. 4?
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Waiting for MP to start a death metal band called Necropolis.
First CD : Necropolis part 1 : The Diabolical and the Eternal Sleeper.
Album Cover :
(https://dinosaurdracula.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/scribble.jpg)
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I really doubt that it's a concept album. Concept albums need titles.
What if Metropolis Pt. 3 is a SONG from this album, and the album after this is Metropolis Pt. 4?
I be down for that. Though to be honest, I don't really care if they ever do a concept again. They've made ten great albums without concepts.
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Waiting for MP to start a death metal band called Necropolis.
First CD : Necropolis part 1 : The Diabolical and the Eternal Sleeper.
Album Cover :
(https://dinosaurdracula.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/scribble.jpg)
Is that the band name? If so, they need to try a little harder. I can still read it.
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Sooooo, I don't think we have overanalyzed the album title enough yet.
Given that this album is " Dream Theater" and not any of the ones before, does that mean this album is the "true" Dream Theater? That is, more than in previous personnel configurations?
kinda Pink Floyd-In the Flesh vibes
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I just realized that both Blur and Metallica's 5th albums were self-titled. Both were musical turning points and some of their most successful.
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(https://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/NJDTFAN/mm_zps7699ba0d.jpg) (https://s1204.photobucket.com/user/NJDTFAN/media/mm_zps7699ba0d.jpg.html)
So, can anyone CSI the music on Mangini's drums? LOl
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Somewhere in this thread (I think, there's been much discussion today) someone said in Take The Time, in the beginning of the first verse with the samples, it is Frank Zappa who says "wait a minute", and sounds like it's from Dancin' Fol ("Wait a minute, let me guess, you're an Italian").
I NEVER KNEW THAT WAS FRANK!!!! THANK YOU WHOEVER YOU ARE!!!
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I know where two of those TTT samples are from, now I know a third.
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an album where every song is equally strong, maybe more like Train of Thought
??? ??? ???
Interesting that it will be self-titled. I'm not sure what to think about that, but I am looking forward to this nonetheless. :tup
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(https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a619/styxkyd/Screenshot2013-06-06at75340PM_zps6c7acb9f.png) (https://s1286.photobucket.com/user/styxkyd/media/Screenshot2013-06-06at75340PM_zps6c7acb9f.png.html)
Can someone decipher this line of MIDI music and record it so we have a sample of 4 bars of the album?? :o
Or am I late to the party? Has someone already posted this? :P haha
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robwebster should totally update the fact finder thread. :P
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robwebster should totally update the fact finder thread. :P
probably this
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I'd love to see DT to truly embrace their prog side and finally have an album with several short unaccompanied songs, like a short piano or acoustic song, ala Yes' Mood for a Day, The Flower Kings' If 28 or Rush's Hope. They sort of did that on SFAM by having Through My Words, except that that had some singing, too. It could give an album a more cohesive and better flow by having several transitional pieces like those that act as sort of a brief comedown between two 10-minute plus tunes.
I'd much rather have an album where every song is equally strong, maybe more like Train of Thought, than something with more transitional tracks, which is something DT hasn't done a lot of (and I'm glad they haven't).
They can still have an album with all strong tracks, while still having transitional tracks. The greater good is often more important, and if an album flows better and works better, I say go for it.
Think of it like an action movie: you don't want every scene in the movie to be non-stop action. You need scenes that bring it down a bit, that way, when the action scenes do kick in, they have more punch (instead of just action after action after action). Same way with an album, where ebb and flow can make an album that much better.
You already mentioned SFAM as a sort of example. How much more evidence does one need? :tup I really like the diversity of having song lengths and types all over the map. It makes it feel like more of a stream of consciousness (no reference intended) rather than "ok, let's write a song. Ok, now let's write another, ok, that's 75 minutes".
"I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside"
The song could very well be called "The Enemy Inside".
That sounds likely to me. It starts and ends with it, so I get the feeling it's a chorus.
The song is clearly about Captain Kirk in the TOS episode The Enemy Within, where a transporter malfunction splits him into two separate people and personalities. The album is going to be a concept album about Star Trek. You heard it here first, people.
And with over 700 episodes and 12 movies, there is no chance I can't find a way to twist any lyric to be about Star Trek. :lol
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"I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside"
The song could very well be called "The Enemy Inside".
That sounds likely to me. It starts and ends with it, so I get the feeling it's a chorus.
I have a feeling you'll know the answer to that before most of us do. :lol
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Interesting how often rumors spread sort of rapidly for a day or two leading up to a DT announcement, whether we knew one was coming or not. Those rumors usually become fact when the announcement comes (MP departure, MM joining, Luna Park DVD delays, DT12 announcement). I feel like someone close to the band keeps spilling the beans right before an official announcement is made.
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"I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside"
The song could very well be called "The Enemy Inside".
That sounds likely to me. It starts and ends with it, so I get the feeling it's a chorus.
I have a feeling you'll know the answer to that before most of us do. :lol
Probably, although as of right now I don't know anything, which means I'm all for speculation! :D
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Interesting how often rumors spread sort of rapidly for a day or two leading up to a DT announcement, whether we knew one was coming or not. Those rumors usually become fact when the announcement comes (MP departure, MM joining, Luna Park DVD delays, DT12 announcement). I feel like someone close to the band keeps spilling the beans right before an official announcement is made.
I don't think we have an inner worker within DTF, though it is possible, I think DTF just has naturally great detectives. I found the Sept 24th announcement for DT12 a day ahead of time, people see it on the forum and suddenly everyone knows about it, next day it becomes official even though everyone already knows (a bit anticlimactic perhaps)
I have no clue where that Greek author revealing the fact that DT12 is in fact DTDT got his information, perhaps MM told him, as he was over there at the time.
Ehhhh, we're all a bunch of very close stalkers of the band.
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Ehhhh, we're all a bunch of very close stalkers of the band.
This.
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Violet is cool, since STP already used Purple.
Yeah but their album was called Purple and the DT album would be called The Purple Album
DING DING DING :)
:rollin @ Necropolis :lol :lol :lol
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robwebster should totally update the fact finder thread. :P
probably this
You've overestimating my powers of persuasion!
I can't. It's locked.
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Can someone decipher this line of MIDI music and record it so we have a sample of 4 bars of the album?? :o
Or am I late to the party? Has someone already posted this? :P haha
I've been working on it and based on what I have sequenced so far, the melody sounds WICKED!
I'll be done with a midi sometime later today!
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You people :D
I wonder what would the band think if they checked this thread :blush
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Can someone decipher this line of MIDI music and record it so we have a sample of 4 bars of the album?? :o
Or am I late to the party? Has someone already posted this? :P haha
I've been working on it and based on what I have sequenced so far, the melody sounds WICKED!
I'll be done with a midi sometime later today!
Can't wait to hear it!
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(https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a619/styxkyd/Screenshot2013-06-06at75340PM_zps6c7acb9f.png) (https://s1286.photobucket.com/user/styxkyd/media/Screenshot2013-06-06at75340PM_zps6c7acb9f.png.html)
Can someone decipher this line of MIDI music and record it so we have a sample of 4 bars of the album?? :o
Or am I late to the party? Has someone already posted this? :P haha
I've been working on it and based on what I have sequenced so far, the melody sounds WICKED!
I'll be done with a midi sometime later today!
Wow!! Jeez! That's awesome thanks! and BTW that is the greatest avatar i have ever seen
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You people :D
I wonder what would the band think if they checked this thread :blush
They'd think we're fabulous that's what they'd think.
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In other news, has anyone noticed and commented on how great Mr. Labrie's hair looks now that it's long again and refilled? ;)
:rollin
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You people :D
I wonder what would the band think if they checked this thread :blush
They'd think we're fabulous that's what they'd think.
Like a rich piece of chocolate cake!
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt_rich_cake.jpg)
Actually, I think they'd be weirded the hell out. :lol
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You people :D
I wonder what would the band think if they checked this thread :blush
Well... aren't they checking it?
I think they are. And if it's not them, then it just might be someone close to them.
Personal opinion, as usual.
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"I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside"
The song could very well be called "The Enemy Inside".
Or.. In the Presence... of Enemy.
Surprise mutherf*ckers.
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In other news, has anyone noticed and commented on how great Mr. Labrie's hair looks now that it's long again and refilled? ;)
:rollin
That was the first comment I expressed privately :D
@BlackInk: In The Presence Of The Enemy Inside! :rollin
@StraySeed: Yeah, it's true that what you say happens, most likely. But still I would love to see their faces watching this last few pages!
@Milena: Of course they would. Beautiful and Monstrous.
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I really doubt that it's a concept album. Concept albums need titles.
What if Metropolis Pt. 3 is a SONG from this album, and the album after this is Metropolis Pt. 4?
No. Just no.
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*pic*
Can someone decipher this line of MIDI music and record it so we have a sample of 4 bars of the album?? :o
Or am I late to the party? Has someone already posted this? :P haha
I've been working on it and based on what I have sequenced so far, the melody sounds WICKED!
I'll be done with a midi sometime later today!
Cool! :tup
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I don't think any other band in the world has these kind of fans, writing up a 4 bar midi file haha, but fair play to you and can't wait to hear it!
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And people are saying that a name doesn't matter? It totally does, regardless of how indicative of the music it really is. This is part of a product people are going to be buying. the general consensus is that this is going to be the definitive album, and people will be throwing money at their monitors. If this isn't the most epic DT of all time, they could loose some credibility here.
While all opinions are certainly welcome here, yours is just silly. Nobody from the band has said anything about this being "THE definitive album." I'm not sure where you are getting that.
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And people are saying that a name doesn't matter? It totally does, regardless of how indicative of the music it really is. This is part of a product people are going to be buying. the general consensus is that this is going to be the definitive album, and people will be throwing money at their monitors. If this isn't the most epic DT of all time, they could loose some credibility here.
While all opinions are certainly welcome here, yours is just silly. Nobody from the band has said anything about this being "THE definitive album." I'm not sure where you are getting that.
They did however say that they think it's their strongest to date. They think it's better than SDOIT, SFAM, Awake, or I/W.
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In fairness, they say that about every album.
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In fairness, they say that about every album.
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As an artist - you tend to think your newest stuff is your best as it's all new and fresh.
It's basically 75 minutes of music you've written and aren't tired of hearing or playing.
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And even if you don't think it's the best since sliced bread, would you expect a band to come out and say: this is our latest record, it's not as good as the other ones, but we had a studio and some time so wtf?
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Noel Gallagher is about the only person who can do that and still sell shitloads :lol
On Be Here Now : " It's just Pub Rock Bollocks. "
On Shoulder Of Giants : " It's not great. There's two shit songs on it. "
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And people are saying that a name doesn't matter? It totally does, regardless of how indicative of the music it really is. This is part of a product people are going to be buying. the general consensus is that this is going to be the definitive album, and people will be throwing money at their monitors. If this isn't the most epic DT of all time, they could loose some credibility here.
While all opinions are certainly welcome here, yours is just silly. Nobody from the band has said anything about this being "THE definitive album." I'm not sure where you are getting that.
They did however say that they think it's their strongest to date. They think it's better than SDOIT, SFAM, Awake, or I/W.
As others have pointed out, pretty much EVERY band says that about EVERY upcoming album.
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And even if you don't think it's the best since sliced bread, would you expect a band to come out and say: this is our latest record, it's not as good as the other ones, but we had a studio and some time so wtf?
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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In fairness, they say that about every album.
In fairness, every single band in the world says this about every new album they release. :lol
That's not to say bands are lying, or that the new album may not actually be their best, but no band is going to outright say "this new one isn't very good, but please buy it anyway", and after spending months working on something so close to them that represents where they are currently at musically.
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In fairness, they say that about every album.
In fairness, every single band in the world says this about every new album they release. :lol
That's not to say bands are lying, or that the new album may not actually be their best, but no band is going to outright say "this new one isn't very good, but please buy it anyway", and after spending months working on something so close to them that represents where they are currently at musically.
You know, I think if a band said "yeah, our new album sucks," I'd probably buy it, just out of respect.
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In fairness, they say that about every album.
In fairness, every single band in the world says this about every new album they release. :lol
That's not to say bands are lying, or that the new album may not actually be their best, but no band is going to outright say "this new one isn't very good, but please buy it anyway", and after spending months working on something so close to them that represents where they are currently at musically.
You know, I think if a band said "yeah, our new album sucks," I'd probably buy it, just out of respect.
I recall reading an interview with an artist about their latest album where they actually said they thought the new album was really good, but not as good as the last one, and I found that surprisingly refreshing to read (for the record, I agreed with him. It was a good album, but not as good as the one before it).
Very rare to hear though.
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And people are saying that a name doesn't matter? It totally does, regardless of how indicative of the music it really is. This is part of a product people are going to be buying. the general consensus is that this is going to be the definitive album, and people will be throwing money at their monitors. If this isn't the most epic DT of all time, they could loose some credibility here.
While all opinions are certainly welcome here, yours is just silly. Nobody from the band has said anything about this being "THE definitive album." I'm not sure where you are getting that.
a silly opinion? a little brash don't ya think?
My point was more hyperbole than literally "the definitive album". It's an exaggerated interpretation of how people could, perhaps even WILL interpret the album as self titled, and impound meaning into what to expect. This is an internet forum, not necessarily a court of law to present hard evidence or a forum to present empirically derived conclusions etc etc...
I will add that, which i did state previously, that its true that being self titled could imply a new DT sound, or a fresh start: a NEW DT, which was not alluded to at all by what I had said. However, as per that previous message, I'm implicitly putting forward the possibility that its self titled PARTIALLY for HYPE and to generate sales. I'm not denoting that as peer reviewed science...
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Dunno if it has been posted here, but this shows up on the video from RoadRunner UK. Speculate!
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I wonder when that's from? It appeared to be from before the lyrics were written, as both that column and the one for lead vocals are empty.
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"Dolphin Safe" :-\ WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN? :lol
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Well, looks like there will be an intro track and an instrumental, and 7 songs with vocals (barring any last-minute additions like Beneath The Surface). And an "easter egg"...hmmm. And they still had a lot of keys and vocals left to record as of early April.
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Percussion is separate to drums. JLB BRINGS OUT THE TAMBOURINE, BITCHES!
Very interesting info there. Does this mean 9 tracks?
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Huh. The "writing" column for Easter Egg isn't checked. So it's going to be there, but they don't know what it is?
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Huh. The "writing" column for Easter Egg isn't checked. So it's going to be there, but they don't know what it is?
It's all crosses, which means it's not applicable. Clearly the easter egg will be a John Myung spoken monologue at the end of the album.
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As always, it is great to see a lot of acoustic guitar, although JP often does acoustic in the background behind a electric, to make it sound more full, so that doesn't necessarily mean there will be a lot of lead acoustic stuff, but we can always dream, right? :coolio
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Huh. The "writing" column for Easter Egg isn't checked. So it's going to be there, but they don't know what it is?
It's all crosses, which means it's not applicable. Clearly the easter egg will be a John Myung spoken monologue at the end of the album.
(https://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/ShadowNinja38/OfCourse_zps69b46373.jpg)
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That's awesome! So we have 8 songs + 1 intro song (Opening) and a bonus track (Easter Egg) maybe?
But lyrics is marked on the Opening track which made me instantly think of a concept album (don't ask me why).
And we also have a guest spot on the first track!?
Let speculations begin. (https://www.umop.net/emoticons/excited4.gif)
EDIT: My bad x means of course no lyrics!
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I hope they aren't final... Vinegar seed? Epic? Dolphin safe? Edit: doubt it, YAAARRGG
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As always, it is great to see a lot of acoustic guitar, although JP often does acoustic in the background behind a electric, to make it sound more full, so that doesn't necessarily mean there will be a lot of lead acoustic stuff, but we can always dream, right? :coolio
There might be. It seems like Jordan's toning down his solos as well, only three songs with a solo space for keys.
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Noel Gallagher is about the only person who can do that and still sell shitloads :lol
On Be Here Now : " It's just Pub Rock Bollocks. "
On Shoulder Of Giants : " It's not great. There's two shit songs on it. "
Heh yea. I thought BHN was one of their best actually.
Side note: Liam's band Beady Eye is releasing their new album next week. His voice sounds the best it's sound since the 90's! His voice has been shot since then.
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I hope they aren't final... Vinegar seed? Epic? Dolphin safe? Edit: doubt it, YAAARRGG
:facepalm:
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If Dream Theater can make a kick ass song about rare vintages, imagine what they can do with a song about tuna fish!
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"opening" is instrumental with no clean or acoustic guitars? sounds like they're going for some overture1928 shiz..
:corn :metal :corn :metal
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"opening" is instrumental with no clean or acoustic guitars? sounds like they're going for some overture1928 shiz..
:corn :metal :corn :metal
OR RAW DOG! :2metal:
I'm sorry.
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Or they're trolling the fans who will pull still images out of videos and ponder what the song titles mean, by putting up really awful fake song titles.
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One of the songs was titled "EPIC"
Does this mean we have a big piece of music coming, or is it 'of epic nature' like Breaking All Illusions?
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One of the songs was titled "EPIC"
Does this mean we have a big piece of music coming, or is it 'of epic nature' like Breaking All Illusions?
It means there's a Faith No More cover on the album.
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One of the songs was titled "EPIC"
Does this mean we have a big piece of music coming, or is it 'of epic nature' like Breaking All Illusions?
It means there's a Faith No More cover on the album.
YES!!!! :lol
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Mike Patton guest appearance!
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One of the songs was titled "EPIC"
Does this mean we have a big piece of music coming, or is it 'of epic nature' like Breaking All Illusions?
It means there's a Faith No More cover on the album.
:rollin
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Shit is getting serious :D
It's almost like they were taking pleasure in feeding us with high-potential speculative material :hat
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Noel Gallagher is about the only person who can do that and still sell shitloads :lol
On Be Here Now : " It's just Pub Rock Bollocks. "
On Shoulder Of Giants : " It's not great. There's two shit songs on it. "I
Heh yea. I thought BHN was one of their best actually.
Side note: Liam's band Beady Eye is releasing their new album next week. His voice sounds the best it's sound since the 90's! His voice has been shot since then.
I just hate him as a person. Always mouthing off in the press , slagging everyone off and trying to make himself look good. But he's not particularly bright and his facade is so transparent that it's actually pitifully amusing. He can backtrack on something he has said in an instant if it furthers his career or makes him any money. Hence going on X factor after saying he hates it or playing oasis songs live after criticising Noel for doing so - even though Noel wrote them :lol
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Interesting that "Epic" seems to have been written so late in the sessions as they typically write the album's epic first. For reference, does anyone know which order the songs from ADTOE were written?
Anyways, also interesting is that the "Opening" (and instrumental) track was written last. Backwards, but interesting. It makes me wonder if the opening track will be a sort of Overture, containing themes and motifs from some or all of the other 8 songs in it? Why else write a track that is blatantly labeled "Opening" so late in the writing process (almost 3 full months after the first song was finished) unless it had something to do with having to incorporate it in to the rest of the album?
Maybe we ARE getting a(n at least musically) concept(ual) album?! It'd be interesting, and an odd mirror to SFAM, which had two instrumentals in it, one of which was an overture. I do like the working titles though! This looks promising. Assuming the album will be a full 75-78 minutes long, 9 songs is pretty sweet, and I can imagine the track lengths being similar to ADTOE and SFAM's scenes (two or three over 10 minutes, one or two under 5, and the rest between 5 and 10).
-Marc.
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James labrie feature song: YARRG
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Wait, does the picture imply that each song besides #1 will have a guest musician?
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Wait, does the picture imply that each song besides #1 will have a guest musician?
I was wondering about that myself. This calls for more speculation!
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Interesting that "Epic" seems to have been written so late in the sessions as they typically write the album's epic first. For reference, does anyone know which order the songs from ADTOE were written?
Anyways, also interesting is that the "Opening" (and instrumental) track was written last. Backwards, but interesting. It makes me wonder if the opening track will be a sort of Overture, containing themes and motifs from some or all of the other 8 songs in it? Why else write a track that is blatantly labeled "Opening" so late in the writing process (almost 3 full months after the first song was finished) unless it had something to do with having to incorporate it in to the rest of the album?
Maybe we ARE getting a(n at least musically) concept(ual) album?! It'd be interesting, and an odd mirror to SFAM, which had two instrumentals in it, one of which was an overture. I do like the working titles though! This looks promising. Assuming the album will be a full 75-78 minutes long, 9 songs is pretty sweet, and I can imagine the track lengths being similar to ADTOE and SFAM's scenes (two or three over 10 minutes, one or two under 5, and the rest between 5 and 10).
-Marc.
I think that it's very likely that it will be conceptual in the way that a Dramatic Turn of Events was "conceptual": theres a genreal theme that permiates throughout all of the songs, although none of them are connected musically or lyrically.
I think the intro could be one of two things: An epic opener something in the vein of the first track of periphery II, so if you aren't familiar with that, it's basically a huge riff-like thing that would be ideal to play as an intro for a live performance, and would be done dream theater style of course: thematic and epic.
But the intro could also be a noodly thing that says "we're DT and we're not f***ing around!" with musical references to upcoming tracks ala overture1928
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Wait, does the picture imply that each song besides #1 will have a guest musician?
I think it's the opposite. I think a blank space means the track won't have it, a cross means it still needs to be done, and a tick means it's been done.
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Wait, does the picture imply that each song besides #1 will have a guest musician?
I think it's the opposite. I think a blank space means the track won't have it, a cross means it still needs to be done, and a tick means it's been done.
So does that mean that only track 5 will have vocals?
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Wait, does the picture imply that each song besides #1 will have a guest musician?
I think it's the opposite. I think a blank space means the track won't have it, a cross means it still needs to be done, and a tick means it's been done.
That would imply seven instrumental tracks.
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My assumption:
Cross = won't be heard on the track
Tick = done
Blank = not done yet or will not be heard on the track
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Seems to be there will be three instrumentals. Three songs have both lyrics and vocals Xed out.
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Wait, does the picture imply that each song besides #1 will have a guest musician?
I think it's the opposite. I think a blank space means the track won't have it, a cross means it still needs to be done, and a tick means it's been done.
So does that mean that only track 5 will have vocals?
........... I got nothing. :lol
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Couldn't "guest musician" be the orchestra making it entirely plausible that they are on many of the tracks?
That said, I agree with ?'s interpretations of the board, which means that some of the guest musician blanks do not have guest musicians.
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My assumption:
Cross = won't be heard on the track
Tick = done
Blank = not done yet or will not be heard on the track
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This.
Track 5 is obviously the instrumental. And by all songs besides "1" having Guests may be some kind of orchestration from Eren Basbug, not really guest vocals IMO.
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https://www.youtube.com/user/dreamtheater
See the banner on top. They use the wrong font :censored
Wrong Symbol and font, what the fuck?
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https://www.youtube.com/user/dreamtheater
See the banner on top. They use the wrong font :censored
Wrong Symbol and font, what the fuck?
Well, but the important thing is that nobody is overreacting.
Oh, wait...
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What does "Sprinkles" mean? :D
Also, it's interesting to see the time it took to compose each song. It can give us a very rough idea of what is what, along with the instruments used. For instance, the writing of "Smoothen" was wrapped the very same day they finished penning "Epic".
It could very well mean that #8 is a two-minute closer or a coda employing a few themes from the previous song or songs.
Or I could just be wrong and it could be a completely standalone song, but I think my previous guess has at least a degree of likeliness :D
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https://www.youtube.com/user/dreamtheater
See the banner on top. They use the wrong font :censored
Wrong Symbol and font, what the fuck?
They are not Dream Theater anymore. This next album will be the first album by the electro-pop band Dream Theatre.
What does "Sprinkles" mean? :D
I figure "sprinkles" mean anything they decide to add later. Or maybe they're taking the cake analogy literally.
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What does "Sprinkles" mean? :D
Titty sprinkles.
This will be DT's tribute to 80's hair metal.
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Those are all working titles for the songs, look at the wikipedia page for Systematic Chaos, they had some weird working titles, for instance, In The Presence of Enemies was originally going to be called The Pumpkin King, etc etc.
The Clover, and Along for the Ride don't sound half bad though. Epic is pretty generic, though this obviously means that Track 7 or Track 8 (If the opening goes to the top) is a long song. I'm excited, but this probably means they don't have an ACTUAL tracklist yet.
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https://www.youtube.com/user/dreamtheater
See the banner on top. They use the wrong font :censored
Wrong Symbol and font, what the fuck?
what's wrong with the font? Looks like their font to me
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https://www.youtube.com/user/dreamtheater
See the banner on top. They use the wrong font :censored
Wrong Symbol and font, what the fuck?
Not only the wrong font, but used incorrectly too. NERD RAAAAAAAGE!
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https://www.youtube.com/user/dreamtheater
See the banner on top. They use the wrong font :censored
Wrong Symbol and font, what the fuck?
what's wrong with the font? Looks like their font to me
The most obvious thing is that the second A is the same as the first. That's not the case with the actual design of their title.
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The most obvious thing is that the second A is the same as the first. That's not the case with the actual design of their title.
But it's still the same font. There's just an alternate A somewhere in there font selection and it didn't get used for that banner for whatever reason.
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Why the hell does it matter what font the covers are?
Obviously you all hate FII, OiaLT, and WDADU.
Random rage of the fans because an A isn't pointing left instead of right.
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The most obvious thing is that the second A is the same as the first. That's not the case with the actual design of their title.
But it's still the same font. There's just an alternate A somewhere in there font selection.
It's the wrong A, the wrong T, the wrong E, and the wrong R, and the wrong font anyway. This is the balls version of the font that isn't actually used on official releases.
Why the hell does it matter what font the covers are?
Obviously you all hate FII, OiaLT, and WDADU.
Random rage of the fans because an A isn't pointing left instead of right.
To be fair, 2 out of the 3 of those are terrible. :lol
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BTW there are 4 tracks that Bass got nothing, no tick or cross.
Is it mean there will be only 5 tracks including Bass?
FUCK
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BTW there are 4 tracks that Bass got nothing, no tick or cross.
Is it mean there will be only 5 tracks including Bass?
FUCK
Note the last thing finished here was 4/12/13, it was a little while back when they took this picture most likely.
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BTW there are 4 tracks that Bass got nothing, no tick or cross.
Is it mean there will be only 5 tracks including Bass?
FUCK
No, only that the other unticked and uncrossed tracks still need their bass parts to be recorded :tup
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It's the wrong A, the wrong T, the wrong E, and the wrong R, and the wrong font anyway. This is the balls version of the font that isn't actually used on official releases.
I'm looking at the cover art for 6DOIT right now, and aside from the second "A" in the youtube banner it looks fine to me.
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Regarding the font, if you guys really want to get technical about this, I offer the following evidence:
(https://i.imgur.com/sbY0oKh.jpg)
That darker pixel in the furthest lower right hand corner? That wasn't there on the original font, so whoever's running their YouTube page better get their shit straight.
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To reiterate, I think a CROSS means that it won't feature on the track, a BLANK means it will feature, but hadn't been completed, a TICK means it had been completed.
If that is the case, when was the last time that every song on a DT album had piano in it?
Our next move should be to try to attribute the forthcoming MIDI to one of these tracks.
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What does "Sprinkles" mean? :D
Titty sprinkles.
This will be DT's tribute to 80's hair metal.
:rollin :tup
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BTW there are 4 tracks that Bass got nothing, no tick or cross.
Is it mean there will be only 5 tracks including Bass?
FUCK
No, only that the other unticked and uncrossed tracks still need their bass parts to be recorded :tup
Okay i understand the chart after reading it few more times :facepalm:
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I will say that the bits of information they're leaking out here and there (whether intentional or not) to keep the fans excited is really extremely cool.
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To reiterate, I think a CROSS means that it won't feature on the track, a BLANK means it will feature, but hadn't been completed, a TICK means it had been completed.
If that is the case, when was the last time that every song on a DT album had piano in it?
Our next move should be to try to attribute the forthcoming MIDI to one of these tracks.
I second all of this. Who's working on the MIDI, btw?
I will say that the bits of information they're leaking out here and there (whether intentional or not) to keep the fans excited is really extremely cool.
Yeah! If it's intentional then it's just a brilliant find! Even though it most likely tickles only the core of the fandom, the hopeless die-hard nerds that we are :D
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Guys, I'm pretty sure a BLANK spot means that it EITHER hasn't been done yet, or there might NOT be anything there.
The BLANKs for GUESTS are there just IN CASE they want guests to appear on the track, not that they WILL. We're assuming too much with this chart, that is, just because it is blank doesn't mean it WILL have a tick. It COULD have a cross in it (eventually).
Honestly, we won't know unless we A) get a look at the completed chart or B) wait until the album details are revealed.
Also, interesting that "Easter Egg" MIGHT only have lead guitar and keys in it. Shades of LTE maybe?
-Marc.
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It's the wrong A, the wrong T, the wrong E, and the wrong R, and the wrong font anyway. This is the balls version of the font that isn't actually used on official releases.
I'm looking at the cover art for 6DOIT right now, and aside from the second "A" in the youtube banner it looks fine to me.
In that case, never become a graphical designer. :lol
Don't feel bad, I've had to correct people much higher up for not noticing the incorrect font. :blob:
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Guys, I'm pretty sure a BLANK spot means that it EITHER hasn't been done yet, or there might NOT be anything there.
The BLANKs for GUESTS are there just IN CASE they want guests to appear on the track, not that they WILL. We're assuming too much with this chart, that is, just because it is blank doesn't mean it WILL have a tick. It COULD have a cross in it (eventually).
Honestly, we won't know unless we A) get a look at the completed chart or B) wait until the album details are revealed.
Also, interesting that "Easter Egg" MIGHT only have lead guitar and keys in it. Shades of LTE maybe?
-Marc.
This
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It's much more fun if we wildly speculate though.
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There's also a "latin piano" section in some song (it shows it in the RRUK vid after the progress chart)
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I wonder how the person working on the MIDI of that one melody is doing
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I wonder how the person working on the MIDI of that one melody is doing
Same here :corn
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Judging by that chart, there will be no FFH or BTS as EVERY song has at least some electric guitar.
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There are also drums in every piece, except the "Easter Egg".
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Another TOT album then??? :metal
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Haha their working titles crack me up. It looks like "Clover" is the instrumental, hmm I sure hope it makes me feel clover. The one I like the most is vinegar seed.
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Metallica had some funny working titles on DM, like Flamingo, Neinteen and Gym Bag
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(0. YARGGG)
1. Reap the Harvest
2. Bad Larry
3. Vinegar Seed
4. Dolphin Safe
5. The Clover
6. Along for the Ride
7. Epic
8. Smoothen
(9. Easter Egg)
In case anyone wanted the titles de-blurred, textified, etc. I'm fine with "Reap the Harvest" and "The Clover" making it to the album.
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Dream Theater - S/T
1. Reap the Harvest
2. Bad Latte *I'm going to predict this will be my favorite song
3. Vinegar Seed *ballad?
4. Dolphin Safe *ballad?
5. The Clover *instrumental
6. Along for the Ride
7. Epic *probably the long song, which is interesting because it uses no acoustic or clean guitar
8. Smoother
9. YARGGG *Some kind of overture, instrumental
10. Easter Egg *Jordan/John Jam?
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I just want the overture to stay YARGGG. As for the rest, come what may :D
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I don't remember any other DT album having hidden tracks. Another first?
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Any more references to YARGGG can be abbreviated :yarr
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Random thought, I cannot wait to hear what the orchestrations are like on this one....gonna be amazing!
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I'm picturing YARGGG starting off like Great Southern Trendkill:
YAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!
:metal :metal :metal :metal
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Added working track list to the wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_%28album%29
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I don't remember any other DT album having hidden tracks. Another first?
Not that hidden anymore.
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Maybe it's an easter egg only for the dvd or vinyl or something. That would be nice.
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(0. YARGGG)
1. Reap the Harvest
2. Bad Larry
3. Vinegar Seed
4. Dolphin Safe
5. The Clover
6. Along for the Ride
7. Epic
8. Smoothen
(9. Easter Egg)
In case anyone wanted the titles de-blurred, textified, etc. I'm fine with "Reap the Harvest" and "The Clover" making it to the album.
I reeaaaaalllly would love those to be the actual track titles.
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(0. YARGGG)
1. Reap the Harvest
2. Bad Larry
3. Vinegar Seed
4. Dolphin Safe
5. The Clover
6. Along for the Ride
7. Epic
8. Smoothen
(9. Easter Egg)
In case anyone wanted the titles de-blurred, textified, etc. I'm fine with "Reap the Harvest" and "The Clover" making it to the album.
I reeaaaaalllly would love those to be the actual track titles.
The thought of JLB singing a chorus with such titles as "Smoothen", "Bad Larry", "Dolphin Safe", and "Vinegar Seed" amuses me greatly. :lol
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_%28album%29
I would love the band to stumble across this and freak out. "How do they know this?" "Is someone spying on us?" "We have a mole at the studio!" :lol
I'm not happy with the lack of keyboard solos according to the board. I love Rudess' wacky instrumental sections.
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The thought of JLB singing a chorus with such titles as "Smoothen", "Bad Larry", "Dolphin Safe", and "Vinegar Seed" amuses me greatly. :lol
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Leisure_Suit_Larry_Collection_Series.jpg)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_%28album%29
I'm not happy with the lack of keyboard solos according to the board. I love Rudess' wacky instrumental sections.
I'm the exact opposite. Hoping for more atmospheric synth sections.
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The thought of JLB singing a chorus with such titles as "Smoothen", "Bad Larry", "Dolphin Safe", and "Vinegar Seed" amuses me greatly. :lol
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Leisure_Suit_Larry_Collection_Series.jpg)
I am so glad I wasn't the only one thinking the same thing. :tup
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Added working track list to the wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_%28album%29
I'm not happy with the lack of keyboard solos according to the board. I love Rudess' wacky instrumental sections.
I'm the exact opposite. Hoping for more atmospheric synth sections.
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I'm pretty sure he just hadn't tracked solos at that point.
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Surely the boxes would have been blank and not crossed if that were the case?
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Point made.
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(0. YARGGG)
1. Reap the Harvest
2. Bad Larry
3. Vinegar Seed
4. Dolphin Safe
5. The Clover
6. Along for the Ride
7. Epic
8. Smoothen
(9. Easter Egg)
In case anyone wanted the titles de-blurred, textified, etc. I'm fine with "Reap the Harvest" and "The Clover" making it to the album.
I reeaaaaalllly would love those to be the actual track titles.
That would be the most awesome thing of all awesome things.
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The thought of JLB singing a chorus with such titles as "Smoothen", "Bad Larry", "Dolphin Safe", and "Vinegar Seed" amuses me greatly. :lol
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Leisure_Suit_Larry_Collection_Series.jpg)
I am so glad I wasn't the only one thinking the same thing. :tup
Does that one include "Looking for Love in Several Wrong Places"?
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Hey, if it fits, it ships, baby.
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You know, I wouldn't mind if the cover was just the logo dead center with the purple lighting, no name or album title just the majesty symbol. Of course the band name will be on the spine.
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You know, I wouldn't mind if the cover was just the logo dead center with the purple lighting, no name or album title just the majesty symbol. Of course the band name will be on the spine.
Yea, same here. If people don't know who it is by now, that's their problem. No need to be obvious about it. I'm sure there'll be a sticker on it anyway.
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Added working track list to the wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_%28album%29
Aaaaaand it's gone.
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Added working track list to the wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_%28album%29
Aaaaaand it's gone.
Removed by a user of this boards, it would seem! :o
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I think the suggested album art would be attractive but it wouldn't fit in with the band's past album covers. Though their styles vary, all the artworks depict some real thing (even SDOIT portrays what appear to be the sketchings of a maniac, which fits perfectly with the title track of the album). I do hope the album art is simpler, possibly not involving Hugh Syme, but I think something as simple as the majesty logo with no writing is too radical a break from past covers.
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Added working track list to the wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_%28album%29
Aaaaaand it's gone.
Removed by a user of this boards, it would seem! :o
Interesting. Why would they do that?
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Has anyone else noticed the "E" letter in songs 1-6 in the drums column, and in songs 1-3 in the bass column?
Wonder what that means :O
EDIT: MORE IMPORTANT - HAS ANYONE NOTICE THESE CHORDS?!
(https://i.imgur.com/dreMI9O.jpg)
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Yep, I have played those chords on guitar and it's a cool progression.
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I wouldn't be suprised if DTF ends up deciphering all the material on the album well prior to its release lol.
What's the update on that midi file someone was working on?
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I love how they're giving us little bits and pieces. Most bands just emerge out of nowhere like "We're done!" with little to no progress given.
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Still hoping for just a black and purple cover with only the Majesty logo. Minimalistic. Let the music do the talking.
I'm much more excited about this one than ADToE because I was still bummed MP quit. The time of accpetance has arrived
and now I'm looking very forward to hear what MM laid down in the studio.
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Added working track list to the wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_%28album%29
Aaaaaand it's gone.
Removed by a user of this boards, it would seem! :o
I still see it.
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Makes you wonder if they wanted us to find all this info ourselves or if the would be actually surprised to see the result of such collective Sherlock work :hat
Other than that, I am also waiting for the 4-bar melody midi thing...
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Makes you wonder if they wanted us to find all this info ourselves or if the would be actually surprised to see the result of such collective Sherlock work :hat
Other than that, I am also waiting for the 4-bar melody midi thing...
Anything we can get our hands on. :rollin
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The chord progression on that sheet definitely sounds ballad-y to me.
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The chord progression on that sheet definitely sounds ballad-y to me.
That sheet sounds kind of crinkly to me.
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Added working track list to the wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_%28album%29
Aaaaaand it's gone.
Removed by a user of this boards, it would seem! :o
Interesting. Why would they do that?
Looks like someone put it back up.
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Added working track list to the wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_%28album%29
Aaaaaand it's gone.
Removed by a user of this boards, it would seem! :o
Interesting. Why would they do that?
Looks like someone put it back up.
and it's gone again.
(https://i.imgur.com/QoyEbMc.png)
LOL track 10
(https://i.imgur.com/XLK2Dfh.png)
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It's back now, and someone put "10. Portnoy's Revenge" at the bottom. Wtf :lol
EDIT: Somehow skipped Mindflux's snapshot, thinking it was his signature. :facepalm:
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Added working track list to the wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_%28album%29
Aaaaaand it's gone.
Removed by a user of this boards, it would seem! :o
Interesting. Why would they do that?
Looks like someone put it back up.
It wasn't me, actually. I guess someone argued against the judgement of whoever took it down
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Maybe MP put it back up, and left a clue. :loser:
*EDIT* I can still see it.
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Maybe MP put it back up, and left a clue. :loser:
*EDIT* I can still see it.
Someone put Portnoy's Revenge as the Easter Egg.
NO. DON'T DO THAT WHOEVER DID IT. WIKIPEDIA WILL HUNT YOU DOWN.
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(https://oi43.tinypic.com/2s60prr.jpg)
(https://oi42.tinypic.com/20s7rk6.jpg)
Dunno if it has been posted here, but this shows up on the video from RoadRunner UK. Speculate!
Where this images come from??
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That chart looks like it was written on there by a kid.
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That chart looks like it was written on there by a kid.
Cameo by the little LaBries? :P
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Dunno if it has been posted here, but this shows up on the video from RoadRunner UK. Speculate!
Where this images come from??
They came from the UK version of the RR website. I played both the US and UK videos at the exact same time and the only difference is these images at 2:05. There are just short clips of JP and JR on the US version. It's like they watched the video for the UK version and said "we really should remove the whiteboard shots" and then recut the video when they released it on the US side.
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Huh. Just checked the RoadrunnerUK youtube channel. That really is in there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiaJs_JLFQw
As Another_Won said, around 2:05.
Edit: Didn't read the last few pages.
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Woah, a lot has happened in the last couple of days! My thoughts:
Album name - fine by me. As some people have said, the most important thing is the music. If the band feel they want to make a bit of a statement with the album title, good for them, and I like the fact that they are so emotionally invested in it. I definitely prefer it to ADTOE, even if it does screw with our forum abbreviations! :angry:
The purple Majesty logo image - sorry, that just can't be the album cover, it looks so cheap. :lol If that was the album cover and the album was self-titled, if casual fans saw it in the shops they'd probably think it was fake.
That progress chart - DAT PROGRESS CHART. That's actually a brilliant find, as are all the other finds from those vids and pics posted. Genuinely fun to be getting all these little snippets, probably not on purpose, but it just fits so perfectly into what we're like as a community. :lol
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robwebster should totally update the fact finder thread. :P
probably this
You've overestimating my powers of persuasion!
I can't. It's locked.
You should still be able to update the OP though? If not, write an update and PM it to me and I'll update it for you! :D
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I like the purple DT logo, and like I said it feels fresh. But I also hope it's not the entire album art. I just want the full artwork to be purple-themed like that image. The all-black-with-purple-logo-and-no-text thing could be on the box-set or something, I would be fine with that.
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Nevermind.....
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The chart makes me wonder if this was done in the usual "writing while recording" way. I mean I guess they implied as much in that press release video, but they never actually came out and said so.
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Vinegar Seed :rollin
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Chick????section with latin piano! I like! :tup
(https://s13.postimg.org/v03cxyqf7/Latin_piano.jpg?noCache=1370648812)
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They have an instrumental opener, and an instrumental song. That has me interested.
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They have an instrumental opener, and an instrumental song. That has me interested.
Reminiscent of SFaM.
There's still a chance...
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Chick????section with latin piano! I like! :tup
(https://s13.postimg.org/v03cxyqf7/Latin_piano.jpg?noCache=1370648812)
Maybe Chick as in Chick Corea. :millahhhh
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Ugh. No Latin please. I hate it :lol
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Ugh. No Latin please. I hate it :lol
Even Biaxident?
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Chick????section with latin piano! I like! :tup
(https://s13.postimg.org/v03cxyqf7/Latin_piano.jpg?noCache=1370648812)
Probably rather something like Cm.
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Ugh. No Latin please. I hate it :lol
I'd love to hear it. It's DT, so it's not going to be full on Latin-Latin, it will just be a little influence on their usual thing, like in an instrumental section. I think it will be fun to hear.
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I completely forgot, but there's a good chance there might be more electronic/dance music on DT12, moments on BMU, BMD, Outcry, and BAI is anything to go by.
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So I just read the last 20 pages of this thread. Quite dizzying, and awesome.
Don't mind the album title/artwork--though I'll reserve judgment on the latter until we get something more fleshed-out. I like the number of tracks, and am hoping "Epic" is really an epic. Wouldn't it be funny if that was just an ironic title and it's actually a Wither sort of song? Wouldn't put it past the guys.
Also interested that there might be a lot of piano and that JP has leads on every track and Jordan has only 3 solos (or, at least, solos in only 3 songs). All of those sound good to me--always been a big fan of Jordan's piano work, though not so much his soloing (though I find his solos seem to be getting a bit better over time).
I'm guessing "Sprinkles" represents all of Jordan's nontraditional instruments.
I love the Wiki entry for the album. "Opening. YARGGG." That just screams Wiki vandalism...except it isn't. Love it.
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Ugh. No Latin please. I hate it :lol
I'd love to hear it. It's DT, so it's not going to be full on Latin-Latin, it will just be a little influence on their usual thing, like in an instrumental section. I think it will be fun to hear.
There's already a pseudo-latin segment in In The Name Of God. But yeah, it's not full on Latin music.
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Imagine if those song titles were the actual song titles.
That could totally be Mangini's doing. He's so nutty :P
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I just really want to know how anybody comes up with "Dolphin Safe" as even a working title for something. How do those words even come together in a thought?
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I just really want to know how anybody comes up with "Dolphin Safe" as even a working title for something. How do those words even come together in a thought?
Dolphin Safe refers to tuna that has been caught in nets that Dolphins will not get stuck in.
You can see it on the side of tins of tuna etc etc...
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They have an instrumental opener, and an instrumental song. That has me interested.
Reminiscent of SFaM.
There's still a chance...
Oh god please no.
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EDIT: MORE IMPORTANT - HAS ANYONE NOTICE THESE CHORDS?!
(https://i.imgur.com/dreMI9O.jpg)
Sounds like a ballad to me, a bit like Wither but that's possibly just because I'm playing it at that sort of tempo and in 4/4.
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I am looking forward to this album. I like how much piano that chart has.
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They have an instrumental opener, and an instrumental song. That has me interested.
Reminiscent of SFaM.
There's still a chance...
Oh god please no.
Journey - Evolution
Van Halen - 1984
Steel Panther - Balls Out
Motley Crue - Dr Feelgood
Ratt - Detonator
Heed - The Call
Lost Horizon - Awakening The World
Lost Horizon - A Flame To The Ground Beneath
Luca Turilli's Rhapsody - Ascending To Infinity
Black Sabbath - Headless Cross
Blackmore's Night - Secret Voyage
Lordi - The Arockalypse
Fozzy - Happenstance
Benedictum - Seasons of Tragedy
Big Cock - Big Cock
Wild Side - Speed Devil
Crashdiet - Generation Wild
Toto - Toto
Europe - Last Look at Eden
Arch Enemy - Khaos Legions
Arch Enemy - Doomsday Machine
Arch Enemy - Anthems of Rebellion
A short instrumental (or otherwise) opening track does not mean it has to be a concept album! But it can make for a great way to set the overall toooone for the album, and create a cohesive album experience, which I'd consider pretty important given the nature of the album so far.
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I'm eagerly awaiting to hear some of this played since people are saying they are playing it and it sounds ballady.
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Journey - Evolution
Man, the opener of that album, "Majestic", remains one of my favorite Journey tracks ever.
Couple of years ago, when my daughter's marching band did a Journey show, they used that as their opener before going on to their better known hits. Awesome.
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Journey - Evolution
Man, the opener of that album, "Majestic", remains one of my favorite Journey tracks ever.
Couple of years ago, when my daughter's marching band did a Journey show, they used that as their opener before going on to their better known hits. Awesome.
:metal That is all kinds of awesome, although I can't imagine it arranged for a marching band.
It is a great album opener, and they've used it to open their live shows too. The new DT opener might be the kind of thing that DT will use to open their shows too. The instrumental opener, followed by the second track, a full song.
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Journey - Evolution
Man, the opener of that album, "Majestic", remains one of my favorite Journey tracks ever.
Couple of years ago, when my daughter's marching band did a Journey show, they used that as their opener before going on to their better known hits. Awesome.
:metal That is all kinds of awesome, although I can't imagine it arranged for a marching band.
It was great in that context, although it didn't have the raw power of Schon's guitars. Plus their band was kind of small; it would be totally amazing with a larger band. But it was great.
It is a great album opener, and they've used it to open their live shows too. The new DT opener might be the kind of thing that DT will use to open their shows too. The instrumental opener, followed by the second track, a full song.
That would be all kinds of fine by me.
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They have an instrumental opener, and an instrumental song. That has me interested.
Reminiscent of SFaM.
There's still a chance...
Oh god please no.
Journey - Evolution
Van Halen - 1984
Steel Panther - Balls Out
Motley Crue - Dr Feelgood
Ratt - Detonator
Heed - The Call
Lost Horizon - Awakening The World
Lost Horizon - A Flame To The Ground Beneath
Luca Turilli's Rhapsody - Ascending To Infinity
Black Sabbath - Headless Cross
Blackmore's Night - Secret Voyage
Lordi - The Arockalypse
Fozzy - Happenstance
Benedictum - Seasons of Tragedy
Big Cock - Big Cock
Wild Side - Speed Devil
Crashdiet - Generation Wild
Toto - Toto
Europe - Last Look at Eden
Arch Enemy - Khaos Legions
Arch Enemy - Doomsday Machine
Arch Enemy - Anthems of Rebellion
A short instrumental (or otherwise) opening track does not mean it has to be a concept album! But it can make for a great way to set the overall toooone for the album, and create a cohesive album experience, which I'd consider pretty important given the nature of the album so far.
I know, and I agree with you. I just don't want another concept album. Honestly, the concept is, like, the worst part of SFAM there are many songs on there that really only work in the context of the album and the concept, but since I don't like the concept, that drags down SFAM quite a few placements for me. I don't want that to happen with DT12.
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I also don't want another concept album.
I mean, if they do one, OK, but I'm certainly not rooting for one like some fans do.
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I know, and I agree with you. I just don't want another concept album. Honestly, the concept is, like, the worst part of SFAM there are many songs on there that really only work in the context of the album and the concept, but since I don't like the concept, that drags down SFAM quite a few placements for me. I don't want that to happen with DT12.
And I agree with you too. I don't want another concept album either, despite ranking SFAM an easy 2nd place. I was pointing out that an opener track isn't evidence towards a concept album. :tup
Like hef, I'm not against it, but I'm not in favour of one either.
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I really can't decide if I'd like this to be a concept album or not. I think it'd be cool to get something different again, but I can't say I prefer to just an ordinary album.
The absolute ultimate thing would be a double album. But I guess that's more or less out of the picture in light of the working tracklist and number of songs..
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I also don't want another concept album.
I mean, if they do one, OK, but I'm certainly not rooting for one like some fans do.
This, and if they do a concept album, I hope it will revolve around some similar lyrical themes instead of having a straightforward storyline.
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I would rather have it revolve around recurrent musical themes than lyrical themes, but I agree that either would be better than a storyline.
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The absolute ultimate thing would be a double album. But I guess that's more or less out of the picture in light of the working tracklist and number of songs..
I understand your point of view, although I prefere few tracks but very deep and elaborate. I miss those days when each listen used to bring to the light a different and unexpected layer/aspect/detail of a song.
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I would rather have it revolve around recurrent musical themes than lyrical themes, but I agree that either would be better than a storyline.
^ this times 1000! I absolutely love it when bands go the whole hog with an overture, reprises and recurring musical themes.
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The absolute ultimate thing would be a double album. But I guess that's more or less out of the picture in light of the working tracklist and number of songs..
Why out of the picture? SDOIT consisted of six songs ;)
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The absolute ultimate thing would be a double album. But I guess that's more or less out of the picture in light of the working tracklist and number of songs..
Why out of the picture? SDOIT consisted of six songs ;)
Considering the length, diversity, and split of SDOIT into movements, I'd say that would have been counted as separate songs on any such similar chart. It's a rare special case, I think.
I'd consider it unlikely that DT would be writing any super epics warranting a double album this time around.
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The new DT opener might be the kind of thing that DT will use to open their shows too. The instrumental opener, followed by the second track, a full song.
Could be. According to the chart it only has piano, synth and lead guitar, so I'm guessing it's going to be some kind of solo playing from JP with soft backing from JR - something atmospheric maybe. Who knows though, really.
And I don't really understand why anybody would particularly either want or be against a concept album. I'm the same as Blob and hef - if that's what feels natural and they go with it, cool. If not, also cool.
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And I don't really understand why anybody would particularly either want or be against a concept album. I'm the same as Blob and hef - if that's what feels natural and they go with it, cool. If not, also cool.
Sure, I think they should do what they want to do. But as I'm generally not a big fan of concept albums, I'd probably be a bit skeptical if I heard they were making one.
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And I don't really understand why anybody would particularly either want or be against a concept album. I'm the same as Blob and hef - if that's what feels natural and they go with it, cool. If not, also cool.
Sure, I think they should do what they want to do. But as I'm generally not a big fan of concept albums, I'd probably be a bit skeptical if I heard they were making one.
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Yeah, I agree with this. It's that I'm on a crusade against concept albums, it's just that the great music of SFAM suffered from the subpar concept and I think that that would happen again.
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I just don't want another concept album. Honestly, the concept is, like, the worst part of SFAM there are many songs on there that really only work in the context of the album and the concept, but since I don't like the concept, that drags down SFAM quite a few placements for me. I don't want that to happen with DT12.
That is pretty standard with concept albums, and often what makes them more cohesive than the average album. Those types of songs aren't supposed to be listened to on their own. That would be like watching one scene from a movie and saying, "I don't like this scene cause it doesn't make sense outside of the context of the movie."
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Of course, and that wouldn't be a problem if the concept were actually interesting.
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I doubt these are the actual song titles. Probably more of their "pet" names for them as usual.
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I would rather have it revolve around recurrent musical themes than lyrical themes, but I agree that either would be better than a storyline.
^ this times 1000! I absolutely love it when bands go the whole hog with an overture, reprises and recurring musical themes.
That's what I like about Neal Morse's music/albums. His lyrics and themes show up throughout his entire discography.
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Of course, and that wouldn't be a problem if the concept were actually interesting.
Well yeah there is that issue with SFAM.
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Of course, and that wouldn't be a problem if the concept were actually interesting.
I love concept albums but I don't care about the concepts. What I like about concept albums is how the music is glued together from start to finish. I like the effect it has on the music that the bands tries to push for some unifying concept. The concept itself doesn't matter to me much.
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To me what makes SFAM a strong, cohesive album is the way the album is unified musically, not lyrically. I don't think the "concept" is that good either, and I couldn't really care less about lyrics, so that aspect isn't what enhances the experience for me. I don't think anyone likes SFAM primarily for its story/concept.
It's the musical side that enhances it. Musically, I don't think any other DT album kicks off better, with Regression > Overture > Strange Deja Vu > TMW > FT etc. Then there are the recurring themes throughout the album, and the Metropolis references. It ties together as an album. The lyrics could be about breakfast cereals for all I'd care!
It's that unified listening experience, and the way the album is greater than the sum of its parts, that makes people want another concept album, I think.
I think starting off with an "opener" that is more of an introduction to set the tone is a good way to help shape an "album" as opposed to merely a collection of songs. There are many other ways to help unify an album too, without needing to be a concept album. Just look at Awake, and the way it reuses little themes here and there. And despite not being one of DT's stronger albums, the way they unified Octavarium was a great idea too.
I don't want them to force another concept album. They should only do it if they have a great idea first, rather than just deciding "let's make another concept album" for the sake of it.
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To me what makes SFAM a strong, cohesive album is the way the album is unified musically, not lyrically. I don't think the "concept" is that good either, and I couldn't really care less about lyrics, so that aspect isn't what enhances the experience for me. I don't think anyone likes SFAM primarily for its story/concept.
It's the musical side that enhances it. Musically, I don't think any other DT album kicks off better, with Regression > Overture > Strange Deja Vu > TMW > FT etc. Then there are the recurring themes throughout the album, and the Metropolis references. It ties together as an album. The lyrics could be about breakfast cereals for all I'd care!
It's that unified listening experience, and the way the album is greater than the sum of its parts, that makes people want another concept album, I think.
I think starting off with an "opener" that is more of an introduction to set the tone is a good way to help shape an "album" as opposed to merely a collection of songs. There are many other ways to help unify an album too, without needing to be a concept album. Just look at Awake, and the way it reuses little themes here and there. And despite not being one of DT's stronger albums, the way they unified Octavarium was a great idea too.
I don't want them to force another concept album. They should only do it if they have a great idea first, rather than just deciding "let's make another concept album" for the sake of it.
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...The lyrics could be about breakfast cereals for all I'd care!...
Well said ;D
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I honestly am indifferent if the album became a concept album. I do agree that SFaM had a poor concept, but that's just one concept gone wrong out of many great ones.
I mean, look at Clockwork Angels. AMAZING concept.
On other news, I just took the ACT today, and it's my birthday.
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I honestly am indifferent if the album became a concept album. I do agree that SFaM had a poor concept, but that's just one concept gone wrong out of many great ones.
I mean, look at Clockwork Angels. AMAZING concept.
On other news, I just took the ACT today, and it's my birthday.
Ditto. To the ACT, I mean, not the birthday.
Happy Birthday, by the way.
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Thank you. ;D
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still hoping for a track called "Dream Theater" so it can be Dream Theater - Dream Theater - Dream Theater. Sad times.
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Okay, regarding the midi. I'm trying to figure out the string of notes in the middle section of the midi grid. It's being extremely difficult to determine if there are triplets or not. I WILL be done with it within an hour or two. I promise!
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The lyrics could be about breakfast cereals for all I'd care!
Metropolis Pt. 3: Bran Flakes & Golden Grahams
tracklist:
A Chex Mix to Remember
Bran helps my Passage
Quaker
The Shattered Fruit Loops
One Gigantic Oat Cluster
The Count of Chocula
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Or Sesame Street.
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Is there anyone who actually believes those are the real titles?
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The midi is done!
There are a few things to note before listening to the midi: I transcribed each note based on what I saw within the snippet where they showed a midi grid of one of JR's keyboard sections in one of the new tracks. Since the video doesn't indicate the speed at which the song is played at, the bpm I applied might be completely wrong. This also goes for whether any sustain was used. so, I didn't bother adding any sustain. The biggest thing to note is that nearly the entire upper register of notes in the keyboard grid are missing from the video. So it is clearly going to sound choppy and incomplete at times.
So,...
Here is a 30 second midi file of the keyboard section from one of Dream Theater's new songs! -> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_N2BKOBrBNLMDFrSDFZQ0VRVjg/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_N2BKOBrBNLMDFrSDFZQ0VRVjg/edit?usp=sharing)
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That is really fucking cool. I get the feeling it'll be played a bit faster but I'm definitely very eager to hear the whole song. :metal Thanks for doing that!
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Great job with the midi. Sounds promising.
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Great job, man! :tup From the sound of things, I'm guessing Jordan's either playing a ragtime-influenced piano part there or he's using an orchestral sample for it. Either way, sounds KILLER. :metal
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That sounds surprisingly amazing, considering how it came to be! Amazingly well done. It's made me more excited for the album, actually.
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a concept album needs to come organically and when they really want to do it. not because their fans really want one. can't force it
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The midi is done!
There are a few things to note before listening to the midi: I transcribed each note based on what I saw within the snippet where they showed a midi grid of one of JR's keyboard sections in one of the new tracks. Since the video doesn't indicate the speed at which the song is played at, the bpm I applied might be completely wrong. This also goes for whether any sustain was used. so, I didn't bother adding any sustain. The biggest thing to note is that nearly the entire upper register of notes in the keyboard grid are missing from the video. So it is clearly going to sound choppy and incomplete at times.
So,...
Here is a 30 second midi file of the keyboard section from one of Dream Theater's new songs! -> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_N2BKOBrBNLMDFrSDFZQ0VRVjg/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_N2BKOBrBNLMDFrSDFZQ0VRVjg/edit?usp=sharing)
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Can someone please create another googledoc to download it?
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Here's another one. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8VY_TkmHW1bTjhqWDR1SXNIVGM/edit
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Here's another one. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8VY_TkmHW1bTjhqWDR1SXNIVGM/edit
You have to request permission.
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Here's another one. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8VY_TkmHW1bTjhqWDR1SXNIVGM/edit
It says I have to ask for permission. May I get a permission? :)
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I requested access.
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Why not use a regular site that doesn't have restrictions? I'd happily host the file on my own site for everyone if that's ok (and if I had the file, that is!) :)
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First link doesn't work for me either. Requested access for the second. Thanks in advance.
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Why not use a regular site that doesn't have restrictions? I'd happily host the file on my own site for everyone if that's ok (and if I had the file, that is!) :)
Sure thing! I emailed you the file using your hotmail link. You see, I had a feeling the link would eventually break, but I just don't have an account to any file hosting websites. In that regard, feel free to host my midi on your site! I don't want to keep anyone out because I transcribed the notes to midi specifically for the DT fans! :metal
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Why not use a regular site that doesn't have restrictions? I'd happily host the file on my own site for everyone if that's ok (and if I had the file, that is!) :)
Sure thing! I emailed you the file using your hotmail link. You see, I had a feeling the link would eventually break, but I just don't have an account to any file hosting websites. In that regard, feel free to host my midi on your site! I don't want to keep anyone out because I transcribed the notes to midi specifically for the DT fans! :metal
Great, got the files. :tup
Here's a link to The Fatal Tragedy's midi, which you can either right click + save, or if you click it will probably just play directly in your browser (just so people are prepared for blaring midi :lol )
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mid
(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.png)
I have to say, considering that was nabbed off a screencap, that mostly sounds very awesome, especially towards the end! Nice work. :metal It's going to be very interesting to hear this in the final song, having deciphered it like this first.
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Thanks from me. Sounds interesting for sure!
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Awesome guys!!!! I'm sure DTF will have the whole album with three more videos :lol
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Awesome guys!!!! I'm sure DTF will have the whole album with three more videos :lol
This whole investigation oughts to be one of the 3 best collective moment in the history of this board :D
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Thanks TFT and Blob! :tup
Awesome guys!!!! I'm sure DTF will have the whole album with three more videos :lol
This whole investigation oughts to be one of the 3 best collective moment in the history of this board :D
Yeah, definitely!
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Holy shit guys this is amazing, it sounds very interesting and thanks for taking the time to make this!
I'm sure once DT found this out, they'll be amazed!
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Sounds great! :tup
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Amazing job with that midi!!
It sounds great, I really think that it will be an orchestral section.
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Now that's pretty awesome!
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:lol This is awesome!!
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Great job, TFT! That actually sounds really cool!
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sounds like it could have been from JR's explorations :D
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I like it. I hope it really IS piano and not some weird synth, though.
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Holy shit guys this is amazing, it sounds very interesting and thanks for taking the time to make this!
I'm sure once DT found this out, they'll be amazed!
This! Thank you, Fatal. You did a great job with that midi. And thanks also to Blob for uploading.
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That sounded pretty boss.
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Nice, very baroquesque!!
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Can't say I was expecting that. :lol It was pretty awesome. the tempo the MIDI is set to sounds realistic for DT, but it could be a little slower or faster.
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Is there anyone who actually believes those are the real titles?
I believe that those are the real working titles.
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This is freaking insanely awesome. Wow man, thank you a million times. That's incredible what you did.
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Can't believe we actually got the MIDI transcribed, that's awesome. :lol
We are such a ridiculous community. :D
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Sir, congratulations on your everything :hefdaddy
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:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Well Done !
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Is there anyone who actually believes those are the real titles?
I believe that those are the real working titles.
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Great job with the MIDI. The second half sounds like something from Fatal Tragedy - certainly has a Scenes vibe to it, but that might simply be because it's piano at the moment.
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That midi file will be my phone's ringtone for the next couple of months. That's how awesome it is. Damn, son. :hefdaddy
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that MIDI is awesome. Thanks for taking the time(!) to do that. Looking forward to DT12 now more than ever - if that was possible!! :tup
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Sunbathing by the sea, having my girlfriend feeding me with huge chops of watermelon, earphones blasting that midi file in my ear over and over. It's gonna be a hot DT summer! Thank you dtforums.org
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Sunbathing by the sea, having my girlfriend feeding me with huge chops of watermelon, earphones blasting that midi file in my ear over and over. It's gonna be a hot DT summer! Thank you dtforums.org
For some reason I pictured the situation with hefdaddy's face instead of yours. I need some rest.
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The midi is done!
There are a few things to note before listening to the midi: I transcribed each note based on what I saw within the snippet where they showed a midi grid of one of JR's keyboard sections in one of the new tracks. Since the video doesn't indicate the speed at which the song is played at, the bpm I applied might be completely wrong. This also goes for whether any sustain was used. so, I didn't bother adding any sustain. The biggest thing to note is that nearly the entire upper register of notes in the keyboard grid are missing from the video. So it is clearly going to sound choppy and incomplete at times.
So,...
Here is a 30 second midi file of the keyboard section from one of Dream Theater's new songs! -> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_N2BKOBrBNLMDFrSDFZQ0VRVjg/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_N2BKOBrBNLMDFrSDFZQ0VRVjg/edit?usp=sharing)
Fantastic work! :hefdaddy There is no chance in hell this album is going to suck!! Very excited! :metal
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Midi sounds awesome :tup
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Can you email the file to luciendangiers@gmail.com? I can't obtain it :'(
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Can you email the file to luciendangiers@gmail.com? I can't obtain it :'(
Check out Blobs post on page 117
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Thanks! I'll listen to it after Quicktime decides to finish instaling on my computer, I thought I didn't need this stupid apple software
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That sounds REALLY cool. :tup
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Can't believe we actually got the MIDI transcribed, that's awesome. :lol
We are such a ridiculous community. :D
It's stuff like this that makes me glad I joined DTF :heart
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I want to listen....but eh, I can wait for the single. I'm more interested in the artwork and tracklist, which I expect by the end of the month.
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I want to listen....but eh, I can wait for the single. I'm more interested in the artwork and tracklist, which I expect by the end of the month.
I'm expecting a tracklist sooner, but a single comes probably within the first week of July.
Snippets probably come a month or so later.
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Here's a recent interview of JR:
https://www.bravewords.com/news/205394
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Could someone upload a Youtube video of it or something? None of the links are working for me, including Blob's.
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Could someone upload a Youtube video of it or something? None of the links are working for me, including Blob's.
I don't know what device you're on, but I guess it doesn't support the old midi file. Here's an mp3 link. Let me know if this works for you.
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mp3
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In all honesty, it reminds me of this, at least the beginning of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6daPF-SikY
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Could someone upload a Youtube video of it or something? None of the links are working for me, including Blob's.
I don't know what device you're on, but I guess it doesn't support the old midi file. Here's an mp3 link. Let me know if this works for you.
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mp3
Thank you, it worked! Sounds awesome!
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Maybe I'm totally off the mark here, but I'm kind of picking up an Awake vibe from this. Seems kind of dark. Clearly we'll need so more instrumentation before an obvious comparison can be drawn, but I could see this album kind of heading in that direction.
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Well, ADTOE had a total I&W vibe....
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Could someone upload a Youtube video of it or something? None of the links are working for me, including Blob's.
I don't know what device you're on, but I guess it doesn't support the old midi file. Here's an mp3 link. Let me know if this works for you.
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mp3
Thank you, it worked! Sounds awesome!
Glad it worked. :tup Might help out a few other people who can't use the other link too.
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Windows Media Player should be able to play MIDI files just fine, not sure why people are having problems!
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Windows Media Player should be able to play MIDI files just fine, not sure why people are having problems!
But not everyone has a superior Windows machine. Some people might be checking the forum on their little mobile toys. :blob: :P
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True. I'm connecting through iPhone and I had to download an app to be able to listen to the midi file. It's called Sweet Midi, btw, and worked pretty well.
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Windows Media Player should be able to play MIDI files just fine, not sure why people are having problems!
But not everyone has a superior Windows machine. Some people might be checking the forum on their little mobile toys. :blob: :P
Well they better get with it and stop relying on cell phones...
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Yeah that does sound really cool
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Windows Media Player should be able to play MIDI files just fine, not sure why people are having problems!
But not everyone has a superior Windows machine. Some people might be checking the forum on their little mobile toys. :blob: :P
Well they better get with it and stop relying on cell phones...
Well to be fair, it wouldn't be right to discriminate against people using cell phones, considering JR probably performed that section using his cell phone. :neverusethis:
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Sunbathing by the sea, having my girlfriend feeding me with huge chops of watermelon, earphones blasting that midi file in my ear over and over. It's gonna be a hot DT summer! Thank you dtforums.org
For some reason I pictured the situation with hefdaddy's face instead of yours. I need some rest.
I love you too
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Windows Media Player should be able to play MIDI files just fine, not sure why people are having problems!
But not everyone has a superior Windows machine. Some people might be checking the forum on their little mobile toys. :blob: :P
Well they better get with it and stop relying on cell phones...
Well to be fair, it wouldn't be right to discriminate against people using cell phones, considering JR probably performed that section using his cell phone. :neverusethis:
Using your phone to create music is one thing, relying on it to listen to files, use GPS, and various internet things is another. Get a damn computer, and learn how to use a map.
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In all honesty, it reminds me of this, at least the beginning of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6daPF-SikY
Haha, that made me laugh.
I like it a lot. It has a nice rhythm and If what i'm hearing in my head is close to the actual thing then we're in for a treat. I can just imagine manginis insane drums playing cool patterns.now I'm all excited for DT^2
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I too am excited for DT12
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seriously though listening to that made me wanna listen to ADTOE.
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From the way it sounds to me, I don't think the tempo will be that far off. It's a neat little snippet and it's the first taste of what's to come, even if that taste is stripped down to one ingredient, and might not be cooked properly. :lol
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From the way it sounds to me, I don't think the tempo will be that far off. It's a neat little snippet and it's the first taste of what's to come, even if that taste is stripped down to one ingredient, and it might not be cooked properly. :lol
Dream Theater are master chef's. They own Hell's Kitchen.
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Dream Theater are master chef's. They own Hell's Kitchen.
:lhk:
Don't cross the cooked step.
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Am I the only one who's uncomfortable with this whole transcribing of the screenshot and making a midi out of it?
I feel it's a slippery slope where if it gets out of hand artists might not want to release anything (studio diaries, photos, etc) for fear that people will be able to figure out things that were supposed to be a surprise or, even worse, somehow release that music "first" and then claim that DT ripped them off.
That's basically it, I'm not going to go on a huge rant or anything, just thought I'd try and voice my concerns. I won't be listening to this until after the actual album comes out and then I can say "yeah, that's pretty cool". But can you imagine if it's almost EXACTLY like the album? That would definitely be a red flag if I were DT for any future releases (ie no more studio diaries or photos) and that would definitely be a bummer.
I *do* realize that there are very few fanatics like us who have the skills and passion to actually pull something like this off and that the vast majority of DT fans won't ever come across this and will be none-the-wiser. It's just rubbing me the wrong way.
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Am I the only one who's uncomfortable with this whole transcribing of the screenshot and making a midi out of it?
I feel it's a slippery slope where if it gets out of hand artists might not want to release anything (studio diaries, photos, etc) for fear that people will be able to figure out things that were supposed to be a surprise or, even worse, somehow release that music "first" and then claim that DT ripped them off.
I don't really think so. It's all in good fun and I don't even think DT expected anyone to pause it and transcribe it, just like the progress chart. If anything, I think they actually might be kind of impressed that someone was able to transcribe from a YouTube video.
That or JLB would tell us we need to get a fuckin' life.
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Yeah, it's definitely super cool and impressive that someone transcribed it, but what PetFish said was kinda my initial reaction to it.
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I think you have to consider the artist. Dream Theater don't strike me as the type to freak out about this kind of thing. I think, if anything, they'd be impressed and amused by the ingenuity and dedication of their fanbase.
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I think you have to consider the artist. Dream Theater don't strike me as the type to freak out about this kind of thing. I think, if anything, they'd be impressed and amused by the ingenuity and dedication of their fanbase.
This. They have already shown that they adore their fans and I don't think something like this would ruin it for them.
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Besides, and this is no slight to the transcriber, I expect us to actually have a hard time identifying the spot in the eventual tracks where this came from. A lot of variables unaccounted for.
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Besides, and this is no slight to the transcriber, I expect us to actually have a hard time identifying the spot in the eventual tracks where this came from. A lot of variables unaccounted for.
This.
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I think that this MIDI thing is a fact that shows how much we love their music and tells them that we are looking forward to listen to their new album. That is more positive than negative, IMO.
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I'm not reading 9 pages of what I missed - I kinda kept up anyway.
/lazy
All I have to say (besides the whiteboard :metalol: ) is that I am REALLY looking forward to the new album. Like MEGA stoked. :metal
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I think that this MIDI thing is a fact that shows how much we love their music and tells them that we are looking forward to listen to their new album. That is more positive than negative, IMO.
This.
And by the way, I'm new here, so hi everyone :)
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Welcome on board man =D don't forget to introduce yourself here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=322.0
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Is there anyone who actually believes those are the real titles?
I believe that those are the real working titles.
Maybe it's semantics, but I consider them just place holders, because I doubt NADS was an actual "working title" for The Dark Eternal Night.
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That's what a working title is. It's a title, you work with, before the lyrics are written.
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That's what a working title is. It's a title, you work with, before the lyrics are written.
no u
When I think working title, I think of a name in relation to the lyrics, but something that might change. NADS has nothing to do with the content of TDEN, so if they called it Grotesque Creature Battle first before changing it, that would be a working title. I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's what I think.
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That's fine, but it's just plain not what the phrase means!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_title
"Working titles are used primarily for two reasons - the first being that an official title has not yet been decided upon and the working title is being used as a filler for naming purposes, the second being a ruse to intentionally disguise the production of a project." There we go, filler for naming purposes. It's something artists call their products, in-studio, so they're not saying "Song 2" or "Untitled Project" all the itme.
It's a bit like objecting to me calling 28 Days Later a film cos it was shot digitally. I mean, fine, but "film" honestly does cover both.
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A "working title" is a permit you get authorizing you to do work somewhere!
Duh!
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... OK, I was wrong! I was a fool to argue with Robwebster. I mean, he has "webster" in his name. He must be a genius...
I never claimed to be the best blacksmith in Skyrim FUCK OFF YOU WANKER!
I'm sorry.
Friends?
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Best working title I usually recall is "Blue Harvest". Those who knows it will know what it is!
-Marc.
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Best working title I usually recall is "Blue Harvest". Those who knows it will know what it is!
-Marc.
blue harvest – horror beyond imagination
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That little sound clip sounds like it would've fit in perfectly with Train of Thought. Endless Sacrifice's instrumental section comes to mind.
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Am I the only one here who can't stop listening to that midi sequence?
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Am I the only one here who can't stop listening to that midi sequence?
I couldn't get it to play in any of my usual media players, so I downloaded a specific midi player for it. It let me choose different 'instruments' to play the sequence through and I was sitting listening to it over and over with all these different sounds. :lol I even recorded some of them and laid them all out in Audacity to make a 'song' out of them - had some bass, drums, guitar and synth all playing together and saved it as an MP3 :facepalm:
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Wouldn't it be awkward if we all got so excited to hear that little midi thing in the actual album, and then they didn't end up including it
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Hey guys, mix going down tomorrow and a nice response
(https://s11.postimg.org/j0shwb5hr/2013_06_10_01_36_06.jpg)
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any way to make that bigger?
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Best working title I usually recall is "Blue Harvest". Those who knows it will know what it is!
-Marc.
good to see other SW fans on here, and I don't mean Steven Wilson :)
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I now have a countdown program on my desktop which counts down the time till DT12 is released
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I now have a countdown program on my desktop which counts down the time till DT12 is released
Hahaha, you know you're a diehard fan when :lol
....I'm going to Google search for that program.
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I would never want something like that. It would only agonize me just how far away the album still is.
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anyone else going to attempt to not listen to ANY samples or even read reviews of the upcoming album? I'm going to give it a crack...
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anyone else going to attempt to not listen to ANY samples or even read reviews of the upcoming album? I'm going to give it a crack...
I'm definitely avoiding samples this time around.
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About the whole transcribing possible backlash. Dream Theater once held a contest based on who could get the closest to Stream Of Consciousness and make their own version. Dream Theater provided charts i'm pretty sure. And while there weren't actual notes given I think, it's one of those things. Dream Theater knows what they're doing posting this stuff, lol they are aware of the fanbase. Plus, several former members and one current members' wife post on this message board. They'll let us know if they have a problem.
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any way to make that bigger?
th4t's wh4t sh3 s4id
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Best working title I usually recall is "Blue Harvest". Those who knows it will know what it is!
-Marc.
good to see other SW fans on here, and I don't mean Steven Wilson :)
Just because that's a thing doesn't meant that's the reason DT named it that. Family Guy named their SW spoof Blue Harvest too.
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any way to make that bigger?
Edit: DAMMIT! Ninjaed by teh n00b. :lol
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any way to make that bigger?
Edit: DAMMIT! Ninjaed by teh n00b. :lol
Yes, but this is DTF... We usually need something smaller.
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That MIDI clip was awesome! I was thinking somebody might try putting one together. I viewed it in synthesia so you can see the keys and the sheet music too. Can't wait for this album!
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That is the smallest fucking thing I've ever seen.
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Damn that would have been so funny if the first reply to that picture was simply "It's too big, I need something smaller" rather than "any way to make that bigger?"... It is really too bad no one thought of that right away.
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Am I the only one who's uncomfortable with this whole transcribing of the screenshot and making a midi out of it?
I feel it's a slippery slope where if it gets out of hand artists might not want to release anything (studio diaries, photos, etc) for fear that people will be able to figure out things that were supposed to be a surprise or, even worse, somehow release that music "first" and then claim that DT ripped them off.
That's basically it, I'm not going to go on a huge rant or anything, just thought I'd try and voice my concerns. I won't be listening to this until after the actual album comes out and then I can say "yeah, that's pretty cool". But can you imagine if it's almost EXACTLY like the album? That would definitely be a red flag if I were DT for any future releases (ie no more studio diaries or photos) and that would definitely be a bummer.
I *do* realize that there are very few fanatics like us who have the skills and passion to actually pull something like this off and that the vast majority of DT fans won't ever come across this and will be none-the-wiser. It's just rubbing me the wrong way.
I do see your point, but I work under the assumption that they wouldn't stick anything in a video they didn't want to be seen. All we've really got is trivial working titles, a chart showing supposedly how many tracks the album will have, and a few bars of one instrument of one song.
I think of it like a nugget, or a challenge for the real diehard fans who want to go the extra mile for a bit of info, stuff you'd otherwise miss while watching it casually. And as this thread shows, it's been effective at creating some buzz and interest leading up to the album, which is a good thing.
I think you have to consider the artist. Dream Theater don't strike me as the type to freak out about this kind of thing. I think, if anything, they'd be impressed and amused by the ingenuity and dedication of their fanbase.
Probably this too. I think they'd be proud to have such a dedicated fanbase that can take a blurry screenshot from a video and turn it into actual music from the album!
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... OK, I was wrong! I was a fool to argue with Robwebster. I mean, he has "webster" in his name. He must be a genius...
I never claimed to be the best blacksmith in Skyrim FUCK OFF YOU WANKER!
I'm sorry.
Friends?
Totes. And I'm sure you'll be a great blacksmith one day.
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I actually hope DT sees this so they continue to see the extent to which their fans go. And if they do, I would want them to know we all go this far because of the extent that they go to make incredible music and make the world a better place.
Anyway, I definitely think they'd get a kick out of this in a good way. And even if it's not in a good way, they simply won't show a shot of midi on the screen in the next video. These videos are already so meticulously edited anyway, you can tell they put in each thing on purpose.
somehow release that music "first" and then claim that DT ripped them off.
I would think these songs are already copy-writed or protected in some way, right?
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Sorry was late at night
(https://i.imgur.com/AMZ7kLo.jpg)
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Am I the only one here who can't stop listening to that midi sequence?
I couldn't get it to play in any of my usual media players, so I downloaded a specific midi player for it. It let me choose different 'instruments' to play the sequence through and I was sitting listening to it over and over with all these different sounds. :lol I even recorded some of them and laid them all out in Audacity to make a 'song' out of them - had some bass, drums, guitar and synth all playing together and saved it as an MP3 :facepalm:
any chance of posting the mp3 so those of us checking in on mobile devices can hear it please :hefdaddy
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Could someone upload a Youtube video of it or something? None of the links are working for me, including Blob's.
I don't know what device you're on, but I guess it doesn't support the old midi file. Here's an mp3 link. Let me know if this works for you.
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mp3
ignore last post and thanks muchly :tup
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Could someone upload a Youtube video of it or something? None of the links are working for me, including Blob's.
I don't know what device you're on, but I guess it doesn't support the old midi file. Here's an mp3 link. Let me know if this works for you.
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mp3
ignore last post and thanks muchly :tup
Sounds sweet, guessing its on guitar or something
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Sorry was late at night
(https://i.imgur.com/AMZ7kLo.jpg)
Rich is awesome.
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I can't wait.
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So, we know by the words of JP that this album is gonna be a celebration of what dream theater truly is and represents. But DT has shown many different aspects through the years and on the other hand an album, by its own nature, needs a coherent mood/style/imprint. You can choose to be eccentric, and this is something usual for prog, but the tracks on the album must be tied together by a common thread. I think it will be quite the challenge for them to show the various aspects of DT in a single album and release a CD that works well as a whole.
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Could someone upload a Youtube video of it or something? None of the links are working for me, including Blob's.
I don't know what device you're on, but I guess it doesn't support the old midi file. Here's an mp3 link. Let me know if this works for you.
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mp3
ignore last post and thanks muchly :tup
Sounds sweet, guessing its on guitar or something
Someone make a note of this so when it is determined which actual song was figured out, they can post it. I'm sure they is someone on here that will know almost immediately. It might even be good to include which songs we knew the lyrics for also.
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I think it will be quite the challenge for them to show the various aspects of DT in a single album and release a CD that works well as a whole.
I don't doubt DT can and will achieve that, though.
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So, we know by the words of JP that this album is gonna be a celebration of what dream theater truly is and represents. But DT has shown many different aspects through the years and on the other hand an album, by its own nature, needs a coherent mood/style/imprint. You can choose to be eccentric, and this is something usual for prog, but the tracks on the album must be tied together by a common thread. I think it will be quite the challenge for them to show the various aspects of DT in a single album and release a CD that works well as a whole.
I'm pretty sure he also said this about OV and ADTOE. It also could have been a very apt description of SFAM.
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My only concern with an album that shows everything about DT, is that it might not show anything new for DT, and won't have a lot of experimenting. I'm hoping it's something that manages to sound like DT, but yet sound nothing like anything they've done before. I don't want an album as safe as ADTOE again.
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I think the rhythmic experimentation facilitated by MM, which has been hinted at by the band, should ensure the album won't be as safe as ADTOE.
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So, we know by the words of JP that this album is gonna be a celebration of what dream theater truly is and represents. But DT has shown many different aspects through the years and on the other hand an album, by its own nature, needs a coherent mood/style/imprint. You can choose to be eccentric, and this is something usual for prog, but the tracks on the album must be tied together by a common thread. I think it will be quite the challenge for them to show the various aspects of DT in a single album and release a CD that works well as a whole.
I'm pretty sure he also said this about OV and ADTOE. It also could have been a very apt description of SFAM.
Good point, but neither of them was self-titled, if you know what I mean.
@Blob: I agree with what you said, and I still don't know if the drumming alone may ensure there's enough experimentation in the album.
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I think the rhythmic experimentation facilitated by MM that has been hinted at should ensure the album won't be as safe as ADTOE.
THIS.
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I think the rhythmic experimentation facilitated by MM that has been hinted at should ensure the album won't be as safe as ADTOE.
I definitely get that feeling too, and just having a completely fresh member included in the writing process is bound to add something new over ADTOE. The comments about the self titled album representing everything about DT worry me a bit though, given that ADTOE didn't exactly thrill me either.
I'm hoping it doesn't mean it's going to sound too familiar, and means it's going to represent their core elements well while still progressing.
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Don't you think that Turn Of Events was purposefully safe though ?
Kind of a " we've been through a lot recently but we're still the DT you know and love ".
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I'm still waiting for JP to bust out some atmospheric guitar soundscapes. That's something they haven't really explored yet. That combined with JR would be :omg:
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I think SFAM is a perfect example of what DT is and represents.
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Didn't JP say in the Score documentary that 8VM is the essence of what DT is all about? Could be that it was their newest one, so they automatically felt that way.
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Don't you think that Turn Of Events was purposefully safe though ?
Kind of a " we've been through a lot recently but we're still the DT you know and love ".
Yes, but for me it was safe to the point of being a little too familiar, and I'm hoping the next album isn't purposefully safe too.
I want a DT album that gives me something I don't get from any other DT album, that gives me a reason to listen to this album, instead of making me want to listen to SFAM. :lol
Let's see what the addition of MM brings to the table! :tup
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I'm still waiting for JP to bust out some atmospheric guitar soundscapes. That's something they haven't really explored yet. That combined with JR would be :omg:
Did you miss the album where they wrote a song called The Count of Tuscany?
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My only concern with an album that shows everything about DT, is that it might not show anything new for DT, and won't have a lot of experimenting. I'm hoping it's something that manages to sound like DT, but yet sound nothing like anything they've done before. I don't want an album as safe as ADTOE again.
Well JP did use the term "completely break new ground" in the press release so that makes me hope that we'll get some familiar stuff and some new sounding stuff.
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I'm thinking of something more complex than a solo backwards guitar.
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My only concern with an album that shows everything about DT, is that it might not show anything new for DT, and won't have a lot of experimenting. I'm hoping it's something that manages to sound like DT, but yet sound nothing like anything they've done before. I don't want an album as safe as ADTOE again.
Well JP did use the term "completely break new ground" in the press release so that makes me hope that we'll get some familiar stuff and some new sounding stuff.
Oh did he? Maybe my mind focused on the wrong bit! :tup Maybe I'll just wait until I actually hear the album before I make any more judgement, hm? :lol
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I would take anything the band members said about the new album like that with a grain of salt. They always say things like that about every new album.
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I would take anything the band members said about the new album like that with a grain of salt. They always say things like that about every new album.
I think the self titled thing has me placing more importance on their comments than I should. I should be thrilled about a DT album that has it all!
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I would take anything the band members said about the new album like that with a grain of salt. They always say things like that about every new album.
I agree, but I think it is a legitimate statement this time given the introduction of Mangini. My hope is that he brings a new element to the writing akin to when Jordan first joined.
Either way I'm excited but I would like something truely "progressive" from Dream Theater this time around.
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I would take anything the band members said about the new album like that with a grain of salt. They always say things like that about every new album.
And that goes for every band in existence, even for those bands whose members' tastes and opinions match yours, which renders any sort of prediction based on their statements impossible. I totally agree with JLB on the subject of everything about DT, but then he said Octavarium is one of his fave DT albums and that the recording of SC was the most fun he's had in the studio since Awake, and the majority of both albums makes me want to gauge my eyes out :lol
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I'm thinking of something more complex than a solo backwards guitar.
How do you achieve something that is both "complex" but also "atmospheric soundscapes"? They seem to be two different things?
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I'm thinking of something more complex than a solo backwards guitar.
What is "solo backwards guitar?" :lol
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Every band keeps saying "this is our best album", "there's something for everyone", etc. every time a new release is coming out. I try not to let my expectations grow too high so that I can be positively surprised if the record turns out to be really great. That said, it can be hard at times :lol
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I'm thinking of something more complex than a solo backwards guitar.
What is "solo backwards guitar?" :lol
It's when you play the guitar with the string side turned toward you. Very hard to do.
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I'm thinking of something more complex than a solo backwards guitar.
What is "solo backwards guitar?" :lol
It's when you play the guitar with the string side turned toward you. Very hard to do.
...or maybe dparrott is just Misunderstood. :neverusethis:
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I'm thinking of something more complex than a solo backwards guitar.
How do you achieve something that is both "complex" but also "atmospheric soundscapes"? They seem to be two different things?
he could mean something with a little more depth or not as melodic? perhaps even a little more avaunt-grade.
I really would like to think that JP and JR have taken their playing to new places. I've always kind of felt that JP has really insulated himself in terms of being inspired by newer bands and music, and hasn't really brought much stylistically to the band with his playing for a while. And it shows in his interviews where he doesn't really give a comprehensive answer as to music he is currently listening to or being inspired by (with the exception being his top ten albums of 2012 (?)).
It's not really necessarily a bad thing, as JP almost has a distinct, signature style of playing which is a big part of the DT sound. Although i've found that the best parts of newer DT music is where they've taken their musical passages to newer places, which I honestly felt they did more of in BC&SL than in adtoe. JP and the gang are master musicians nonetheless, and i'm sure the album will be awesome regardless of how innovative it is.
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Don't you think that Turn Of Events was purposefully safe though ?
Kind of a " we've been through a lot recently but we're still the DT you know and love ".
Yes, and I think it was the right thing to do. After TOT, Octavarium, SC, BC&SL and the drama surrounding MP's departure, ADTOE was exactly the album the band needed. Now they need an album like SFAM or SDOIT, something fresh and exciting. I'm sure that they are aware of that and that they're pushing for it.
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I think I'm joining podaar on it.
Misunderstood solo was wrote and play normally then the computer reversed the solo to sound like it was backward played. For information that technique was used by the Beatles on the George's Harrison song I'm only sleeping . I love that guitar style. The misunderstood solo is one of the most original dt solo
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John wrote it, and recorded it... then played it in reverse on the computer and learned how to play it in reverse :D
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He wrote it, recorded it, reversed it, learned it in reverse, recorded that, then reversed THAT recording, so it's playing the melody he originally wrote, but it sounds backwards. That's what happened. Jason Becker did the same thing back in the 80's.
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He wrote it, recorded it, reversed it, learned it in reverse, recorded that, then reversed THAT recording, so it's playing the melody he originally wrote, but it sounds backwards. That's what happened. Jason Becker did the same thing back in the 80's.
Ok you just blew my mind
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He wrote it, recorded it, reversed it, learned it in reverse, recorded that, then reversed THAT recording, so it's playing the melody he originally wrote, but it sounds backwards. That's what happened. Jason Becker did the same thing back in the 80's.
Ok you just blew my mind
Yeah, it's kinda hard to follow. Do you understand it though?
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Radiohead did the same thing on Ok Computer.
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The Beatles did it on Revolver.
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It's the same as the forward solo... just played in reverse, reversed...
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And Alex Lifeson did the same thing on "Chain Lightning" from their album Presto.
-Marc.
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I'm thinking of something more complex than a solo backwards guitar.
How do you achieve something that is both "complex" but also "atmospheric soundscapes"? They seem to be two different things?
I really would like to think that JP and JR have taken their playing to new places. I've always kind of felt that JP has really insulated himself in terms of being inspired by newer bands and music, and hasn't really brought much stylistically to the band with his playing for a while. And it shows in his interviews where he doesn't really give a comprehensive answer as to music he is currently listening to or being inspired by (with the exception being his top ten albums of 2012 (?)).
It's not really necessarily a bad thing, as JP almost has a distinct, signature style of playing which is a big part of the DT sound. Although i've found that the best parts of newer DT music is where they've taken their musical passages to newer places, which I honestly felt they did more of in BC&SL than in adtoe. JP and the gang are master musicians nonetheless, and i'm sure the album will be awesome regardless of how innovative it is.
JP is my favorite musician and can do no wrong but he does seem to have fallen in love with modern tones and mixes. That comparison to the chocolate cake almost concerned me a little because it seems to play into that tonality even more.
Personally I would love to see him go back towards his tones on LTE but those albums were part of his Ibanez era which isn't coming back.
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I just hope he doesn't sound as scooped as on ADTOE. That (rhythm) tone really lacked something, probably due to the mix. It just didn't have enough punch. I happen to have the JPXI-7 myself, and it sounds nothing like that unless I really start screwing with the EQ. I honestly think that my tone with that guitar is better than the ADTOE one, and I'm a bassist using an amp simulator. The actual playing though, that's a whole different story.
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Not misunderstood, but I wasn't very clear. To put it in a way you might understand, I wish JP would do some "FRIPP-ISH" parts. His musical composition but with multiple layers of ambient guitar, maybe with JR additions sprinkled in.
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Rich is awesome.
Why thank you.
Oh, oh you meant... oh ok.
Yeah he's cool.
:sadpanda:
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Rich is awesome.
Why thank you.
Oh, oh you meant... oh ok.
Yeah he's cool.
:sadpanda:
Don't be so egocentric! It's enough you are a mod here...
Back to topic. For me, it's just like Blob : wait and see. ADToE was a move in the right direction for me but a little too safe. Now MM has been involved in the whole creating process, let's see what he has brought to the table. Sometimes, what he does is very technical, but it doesn't "move" me, if you see what I mean. And I want to be moved by the music...
B.Lee
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Rich is awesome.
Why thank you.
Oh, oh you meant... oh ok.
Yeah he's cool.
:sadpanda:
ariich is the best them
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Rich is awesome.
Why thank you.
Oh, oh you meant... oh ok.
Yeah he's cool.
:sadpanda:
ariich is the best them
:heart
And yeah, I definitely agree that it's quite exciting to see what will happen with DT's sound this time around. ADTOE had the excitement of a new member, but while the music was wonderful, it was undoubtedly safe. And I agree with people who say it completely made sense to do that (it's my second favourite DT album) but now it's time to kick things up a bit.
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Yeah, I think ADTOE was purposely safe, but I think and hope that on DT12 they'll have a bit more experimentation. Remember, they're playing with an orchestra for a part of the album (or maybe the whole thing), so that might make the music a bit more new and fresh, even though they've played with an orchestra before.
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Yeah, I think ADTOE was purposely safe, but I think and hope that on DT12 they'll have a bit more experimentation. Remember, they're playing with an orchestra for a part of the album (or maybe the whole thing), so that might make the music a bit more new and fresh, even though they've played with an orchestra before.
From a recent JR interview:
"The way I see it is like, he’s such a specialist in his area. He’s got such a rhythm math brain and that addition to what Dream Theater already has in the composition department was so cool, ’cause we’ve been able to do things I’ve never done before. There’s some stuff on the album that I’ll rhythmically is very, very cool."
So there is definitly going to be som new stuff that they have not done before on the album.
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Maybe JR will play a slow tasteful solo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Maybe JR will play a slow tasteful solo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Beneath the Surface?
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I bet the new album will sound like Dream Theater. Nothing more and nothing less!
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Yea I'm loving the "rhythm math" talk.
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Maybe JR will play a slow tasteful solo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Beneath the Surface?
His keyboards will get wet !
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JP is my favorite musician and can do no wrong but he does seem to have fallen in love with modern tones and mixes. That comparison to the chocolate cake almost concerned me a little because it seems to play into that tonality even more.
Personally I would love to see him go back towards his tones on LTE but those albums were part of his Ibanez era which isn't coming back.
I think it would be cool if he toyed around with some more "organic" metal tones, in a similar fashion to Meshuggah:Koloss/Animals as leaders:weightless/latest intronaut album and yeah them LTE lead guitar tones that would be awesome :P.
Although in term's of his tone i'm not expecting anything different from the previous album; which is a shame for me as a part of me is hoping that he has been paying attention to whats been happening in the musical community in terms of these newer wave of proggy metal bands and has taken a page from their book (tonally and musically) to keep it relevent in respect to modern prog metal (inspired/derived) music.
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I like JP's guitar tone. It sounds like him, nobody else. DT doesn't need to sound like any other band. That's what makes them who they are. Just me. :)
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I would hardly call Meshugah and AAL as organic tones.
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I would hardly call Meshugah and AAL as organic tones.
Listen to AAL again. This time try more than one song. :tup
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I apologize if someone posted this already, I didn't see it, but is this the new artwork?
https://www.musicoff.com/node/10969
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I don't know, but I like it better then that purple thing.
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I don't know, but I like it better then that purple thing.
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I don't know, but I like it better then that purple thing.
Agreed.
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Very SDOIT.
I hoep it's something along those lines. Please something interesting and not just Hugh Syme's cut and paste "work".
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Very SDOIT.
I hoep it's something along those lines. Please something interesting and not just Hugh Syme's cut and paste "work".
Agreed, especially the bold. Would love it if the music is similar to SDOIT too. :metal :biggrin:
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I like it. Very different, but if the album is, then I look forward to hearing it!
(https://www.musicoff.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/Preview200x200/dream.jpg)
(https://www.musicoff.com/news-frank/nm/dtfooter.jpg)
-Marc.
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Huh. I'm reminded of Sylvan's Posthumous Silence.
Edit: Looking at it now, they're actually not that similar.
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They both have the wrong font, so I'mma go with no.
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I don't know, but I like it better then that purple thing.
Agreed.
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Define wrong font, looks exactly the same to me...
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The 2nd "A" on the banner-image is wrong, but it looks right on the cover-picture.
-Marc.
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Interesting they're doing a self-titled... Re-branding DT? :\ :corn
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Define wrong font, looks exactly the same to me...
(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_difffonts.jpg) (https://s84.photobucket.com/user/Zook85/media/DT_difffonts.jpg.html)
The top font is the real one.
The middle one is a cheap knock off. The easiest way to tell is by looking and the M's tail.
The bottom one is what they use for promoting most of the time, and it's all kinds of wrong. The easiest way to tell is the second A and R. Basically, if you were to download a Dream Theater font, and then type it in while only capitalizing the D and first T, you'd get the bottom font. To correct this for the knockoff font, just capitalize the second A and R. But why do that when you can just get the real one from BlobVanDam to which you only have to hit D twice and the whole correct logo shows up.
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nope, image is 7 years old
https://lalo1412.deviantart.com/art/Dream-Theater-27618758
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Also the phrase should be "AVAILABLE SEPTEMBER 24". The ON stands out as fake to me.
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nope, image is 7 years old
https://lalo1412.deviantart.com/art/Dream-Theater-27618758
Too bad, seems pretty cool.
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Also the phrase should be "AVAILABLE SEPTEMBER 24". The ON stands out as fake to me.
Available without the On is very American. Many/most other parts of the world would say Available On (a date).
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nope, image is 7 years old
https://lalo1412.deviantart.com/art/Dream-Theater-27618758
Too bad, seems pretty cool.
Damn, I thought it would've made for a nice cover. :(
Hope the album's real cover looks great.
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Also the phrase should be "AVAILABLE SEPTEMBER 24". The ON stands out as fake to me.
Available without the On is very American. Many/most other parts of the world would say Available On (a date).
Ahh, didn't know that.
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Damn, sucks that isn't the real thing. I thought it looked cooler than the last three album covers, at least.
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nope, image is 7 years old
https://lalo1412.deviantart.com/art/Dream-Theater-27618758
Well, in all fairness, the unicyclist from ADTOE was six years old when our friend Hugh Syme used him too. :lol
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Please something interesting and not just Hugh Syme's cut and paste "work".
Word.
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Define wrong font, looks exactly the same to me...
(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_difffonts.jpg) (https://s84.photobucket.com/user/Zook85/media/DT_difffonts.jpg.html)
The top font is the real one.
The middle one is a cheap knock off. The easiest way to tell is by looking and the M's tail.
The bottom one is what they use for promoting most of the time, and it's all kinds of wrong. The easiest way to tell is the second A and R. Basically, if you were to download a Dream Theater font, and then type it in while only capitalizing the D and first T, you'd get the bottom font. To correct this for the knockoff font, just capitalize the second A and R. But why do that when you can just get the real one from BlobVanDam to which you only have to hit D twice and the whole correct logo shows up.
Awesome explaination. :tup
I didn't know that Blob gives out the real font! *grabby hands*
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Damn, sucks that isn't the real thing. I thought it looked cooler than the last three album covers, at least.
This, I'd really love this to be the real cover :(
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I hereby promote Zook to Deputy Font Police Chief. :tup
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Maybe I missed it in the thread, but from JP's Twitter :
"Started the DT mix today" :
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/295531_572130329505650_144448570_n.jpg)
B.Lee
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For anyone who might care, it appears to be this desk: https://www.solid-state-logic.com/music/duality/index.asp
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All I can say is thank god it was recorded on a G+ and NOT this Duality..
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All I can say is thank god it was recorded on a G+ and NOT this Duality..
Care to explain why? :)
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All I can say is thank god it was recorded on a G+ and NOT this Duality..
Care to explain why? :)
There are a ton of reasons. To sum it up - the Duality is pretty much a toy compared to the E, G, J, and K Series consoles. It's not enough of a console if you want a console, and it's not enough of a controller if you want a controller.
I used to work for a company that installed SSL consoles in studios all around the world. They are powerful machines that require a large rack of multiple power supplies (depending on how many channels the console has), and the Duality just plugs into the wall like a toy. It's definitely beautiful to look at, but it's just way different than SSL's older, REAL consoles.
To me, it's kinda like the Duality = Sterling by Music Man JP, whereas E,G, J, and K series consoles = Music Man JP.
But that's just my opinion, and the opinion of my ex coworkers, and my ex boss, who used to work for SSL in England. I'm sure there are plenty of people who can get by on a Duality. But it's just not what SSL should be making right now. They should be making the real stuff again.
RANT OVER
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Will all of this have any impact on the mixing of the album and the ultimate sonic output?
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I hereby promote Zook to Deputy Font Police Chief. :tup
:tup
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nope, image is 7 years old
https://lalo1412.deviantart.com/art/Dream-Theater-27618758
Thank God. I'm 100% for a different aesthetic approach but that design was uber fugly.
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I don't know if it's been covered, but do you think we will see some lyrics from Mike or Jordan in the album? I would guess no way, but just wondering if you guys know something or if I missed something in this 122 pages haha.
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I don't know if it's been covered, but do you think we will see some lyrics from Mike or Jordan in the album? I would guess no way, but just wondering if you guys know something or if I missed something in this 122 pages haha.
I would bet no to both, but no official word on it as far as I'm aware. We've basically had confirmation of Myung lyrics and an instrumental though, but I think that's about it as far as lyrics are concerned.
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I don't know if it's been covered, but do you think we will see some lyrics from Mike or Jordan in the album? I would guess no way, but just wondering if you guys know something or if I missed something in this 122 pages haha.
I hope not, but then again I'm one of those people that likes vocalists to write a bands lyrics.
BUT if Mike can write good lyrics then I guess I'm all for it because the rest of the band certainly aren't that good at writing them.
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^ Ouch!
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Jordan has said he isn't interested in writing lyrics, because there's no need for it due to the other guys writing lyrics.
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I hope JLB writes some lyrics. I think he has been getting better while JP has gotten a bit worse.
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I'd be in favor of that. I'm a fan of JLB lyrics. I hope he gets more than one song this go around.
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JLB might have a couple songs he wrote lyrics for, then again he mightve used them all on impermanent resonance.
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JLB might have a couple songs he wrote lyrics for, then again he mightve used them all on impermanent resonance.
Hmm... good point... very good point.
I still hope he pens more lyrics for DT12. I don't have anything against Petrucci's lyrics, but it was a slight disappointment how ADTOE was such a Petruccifest with lyrics.
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I hope JLB writes some lyrics. I think he has been getting better while JP has gotten a bit worse.
JLB's lyrics are hit and miss with me, I didn't care for Far From Heaven and Prophets of War all that much but the lyrics on Medicate and Disappear are fantastic. J{ has gotten too literal. There's no poetic edge in his lyrics anymore, they've kinda gotten lazy even. Though I still very much miss Kevin Moore as a lyricist. :mehlin
I wish Myung would write more lyrics. Breaking All Illusions really had that 90's DT edge in the lyrics. We could use more of that.
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James isn't my favorite lyricist, but his strength is that you can almost always relate to what he writes about, which is something you can't say about all DT lyrics. For example, sometimes (a lot of times, actually) I feel like the narrator in Caught in a Web, and I think we all can relate to the theme of loss in Disappear.
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Some Myung lyrics wouldn't hurt either. I enjoyed BAI a lot. especially how the lyrics sound poetic.
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James wrote the lyrics for 'Blind Faith' also. IMO that may be his best offering as a lyricist. Other than 'Prophets of War' I like all his lyrical efforts.
When compared to his efforts early in their career JP is the lyricist who has 'slipped' IMO. I don't think I've heard a JMX penned song I disliked. I like his avstract writing style.
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Will all of this have any impact on the mixing of the album and the ultimate sonic output?
It might have if it was recorded through it. But it wasn't, so that's a good thing. :tup
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How long does mixing take?
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Hard to say, but 1 song a day or so would be a fair guess. It depends on a lot of things, but I doubt it would take more than two working weeks maximum. One would be possible.
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Hard to say, but 1 song a day or so would be a fair guess. It depends on a lot of things, but I doubt it would take more than two working weeks maximum. One would be possible.
One would be possible for an average album. I'm gonna go with two because of the length of DT's songs. I'll probably be finished or close to finished anywhere between next thursday and the following monday. (not counting the weekend, cause I'm sure Rich will be taking at least one of those days off)
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JLB might have a couple songs he wrote lyrics for, then again he mightve used them all on impermanent resonance.
Hmm... good point... very good point.
I still hope he pens more lyrics for DT12. I don't have anything against Petrucci's lyrics, but it was a slight disappointment how ADTOE was such a Petruccifest with lyrics.
Especially considering that JLB said he wrote more lyrics for ADToE, but that they weren't accepted.
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Maybe DT will rehire Kevin Moore as lyrics-specialist? :o
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Maybe DT will rehire Kevin Moore as lyrics-specialist? :o
Incredibly likely :)
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JLB might have a couple songs he wrote lyrics for, then again he mightve used them all on impermanent resonance.
Hmm... good point... very good point.
I still hope he pens more lyrics for DT12. I don't have anything against Petrucci's lyrics, but it was a slight disappointment how ADTOE was such a Petruccifest with lyrics.
Especially considering that JLB said he wrote more lyrics for ADToE, but that they weren't accepted.
It was for Outcry I believe.
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Anyone else notice the lack of JLB in all these announcements? Seems like forever when we actually heard him talk about something.
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Anyone else notice the lack of JLB in all these announcements? Seems like forever when we actually heard him talk about something.
Plot twist: he lost his voice recording the new album. The new album is that awesome.
Seriously though, he was right next to JP while JP was talking about having everything mic'd up, and we didn't actually have any footage of Jordan talking directly to the camera either, only studio shots of him being his hyperactive self. So yeah I think next time we'll hear them two talk a little more.
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Anyone else notice the lack of JLB in all these announcements? Seems like forever when we actually heard him talk about something.
Plot twist: he lost his voice recording the new album. The new album is that awesome.
Haha, yes!
Seriously though, he was right next to JP while JP was talking about having everything mic'd up, and we didn't actually have any footage of Jordan talking directly to the camera either, only studio shots of him being his hyperactive self. So yeah I think next time we'll hear them two talk a little more.
Yeah, he's there, but we need more Pirate high jinks!
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Does anyone else dislike Myung's lyrics? :/
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I have no idea what BAI is even suposed to be about.
PLus I don't really enjoy it as a song and don't get this classic legendary song that everyone else does.
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Hard to say, but 1 song a day or so would be a fair guess. It depends on a lot of things, but I doubt it would take more than two working weeks maximum. One would be possible.
Mixing is a lot more difficult than you might think. It could easily take a month or more to mix. There are complications too numerous to mention here, but one as an example.....
When you introduce another instrument to a mix it will often change the sound of the other instruments. So in those particular areas you need to change not only volume of various instruments, especially if you're trying to change the emphasis on the mix, but the EQ for the other instruments may need to be changed at that point to cut through the mix. Then when the instrument is removed, the EQ, etc has to be changed back, all while preventing the listener from perceiving the difference.
Now on top of that is ear fatigue. After you listen to the mix for a while, you start to lose the ability to sense accurately the sonic quality of the mix. You actually need to get away from hearing it to be able to critique it properly. It sounds great today, crappy tomorrow. Now just throw that one example into a DT song, and you can easily see where it could take a long time. I've done a lot of mixing myself, and helped my son in law who used to have a recording studio and does his own mixing, etc. for his own albums. He has routinely spent over 1 week just doing 1 song.
Then on top of that, the producer (JP) comes in and says he doesn't like something, now throw that mix out the window and start over.
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Or just Rick Ruin it - turn everything up until everything is in the red and it'll sound great on ipods !
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James isn't my favorite lyricist, but his strength is that you can almost always relate to what he writes about, which is something you can't say about all DT lyrics. For example, sometimes (a lot of times, actually) I feel like the narrator in Caught in a Web, and I think we all can relate to the theme of loss in Disappear.
Hear hear. FFH is another one (I know, I know - not everyone shares this opinion).
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I understand about ear fatigue. I listen to my homemade music from around 10 years ago and shake my head at how bad the mix and mastering is. I've learned a lot since then.
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JLB might have a couple songs he wrote lyrics for, then again he mightve used them all on impermanent resonance.
Hmm... good point... very good point.
I still hope he pens more lyrics for DT12. I don't have anything against Petrucci's lyrics, but it was a slight disappointment how ADTOE was such a Petruccifest with lyrics.
Especially considering that JLB said he wrote more lyrics for ADToE, but that they weren't accepted.
It was for Outcry I believe.
Yeah I heard as well that there were two songs he wrote lyrics for that were not used for whatever reason.
In the end, whatever makes it a great album I'm all for... but, some lyrical balance wouldn't be a horrible thing. Even just 2 from LaBrie, 1 from Myung and then 4 from Petrucci would be cool with me.
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Does anyone else dislike Myung's lyrics? :/
I think it's going to be pretty tough finding many people who sympathize with that position. In general, people love his lyrical contributions. I know I like most of them, BAI being a notable exception.
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I have no idea what BAI is even suposed to be about.
PLus I don't really enjoy it as a song and don't get this classic legendary song that everyone else does.
For me it isn't that BAI is 'legendary'....I like the song a lot ...but it's more the fact it seemed like more of what DT is (to me) than what they had given me in SC and BC&SL. It was a return to what made me fall in love with the band in the first place....all those years ago in 93'.
There are some good songs on those two albums prior to ADTOE, but for the most part I wasn't captivated by them at any poi t. ADTOE has many moments that captivate me.
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Or just Rick Ruin it - turn everything up until everything is in the red and it'll sound great on ipods !
The thing is, stuff like Death Magnetic sounds bad even on an iPod with cheap earphones (the type of earphones is important because you can put lossless or even 256+ Kbps music on an iPod and use quality headphones and it'll sound pretty much as good as anything else to all but the most discerning of ears).
Which is what makes the loudness war even more confounding. I'm not sure of a single situation where that style of mixing is better than one without clipping. Maybe playing music out loud over cheap laptop speakers where volume matters, but still. That's one very specified scenario and it would be dumb to ruin the sound for every other scenario to slightly improve that one. Honestly, if I want the music louder, I'll turn the volume up. I don't understand why that's such a big deal. The only time I have ever turned the volume up to 50% when using headphones is when I'm in an area with a lot of ambient noise listening to music that has not been clipped. And if it's really a problem for you that the music is too quiet when you're playing it off cheap laptop speakers, there is an obvious and simple solution awaiting you at any electronics store.
Sorry for the rant, which was longer than even I expected, but the whole idea of compressing music just confounds me.
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I think DT will know better than to let SC happen again.
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Hello everybody. I`m new here, but I read this forum since a long time.
DT12 have many "hope factors":
- The previous step in the right direction with ADTOE.
- Mangini math brain in the creative process (with a complete tour and a lot of jamming sessions on his shoulders).
- Richard Chycki engineering.
- At least one song with John Myung lyrics :hefdaddy.
- An instrumental.
- Eren Basbug and an orchestra.
- Chocolate cake guitar :metal.
- Jordan trying to put some seaboard there.
- The self titled album issue as a challenge.
You can say that i`m trying to be 100% optimistic, but, there are some reasons for that.
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Hello everybody. I`m new here, but I read this forum since a long time.
DT12 have many "hope factors":
- The previous step in the right direction with ADTOE.
- Mangini math brain in the creative process (with a complete tour and a lot of jamming sessions on his shoulders).
- Richard Chycki engineering.
- At least one song with John Myung lyrics :hefdaddy.
- An instrumental.
- Eren Basbug and an orchestra.
- Chocolate cake guitar :metal.
- Jordan trying to put some seaboard there.
- The self titled album issue as a challenge.
You can say that i`m trying to be 100% optimistic, but, there are some reasons for that.
Welcome to the forum! Is your brother a Dream Theater fan as well?
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Welcome to the forum! Is your brother a Dream Theater fan as well?
Of course.
He`s listening I&W right now.
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ask your brother how he can smash bricks with his head and be fine, but he dies when he touches a turtle.
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ask your brother how he can smash bricks with his head and be fine, but he dies when he touches a turtle.
Everyone knows plumbers are deathly allergic to turtles.
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ask your brother how he can smash bricks with his head and be fine, but he dies when he touches a turtle.
About the bricks, the answer is simple: He`s a metalhead.
About the turtle thing, is even more simple: It`s a weird guy.
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I think DT will know better than to let SC happen again.
I should hope so.
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Maybe DT will rehire Kevin Moore as lyrics-specialist? :o
And also as a producer. He was the dream of the theater.
JP said something about the cinematic side of DT in the last video from studio. Nobody fits better than KM for that.
It would be beyond awesome.
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Does anyone else dislike Myung's lyrics? :/
I think they're basically pleasant, but not necessarily any better than any other band member's. If he contributed as much as John Petrucci, I reckon we'd be as split on them as we are on John Petrucci's. I don't dislike them, and I look forward to JM contributing simply for the fact that it's another voice and one we don't get to hear very often, but I also don't think they're the life-changing super-normous big deal a lot of people really do. Sometimes great, ToT's great. Breaking All Illusions is just... vague, uplifting imagery. Don't have many complaints, but don't have any gushing praise, either - although, "Searching out, reaching in, to arrive where I began" is eerily familiar. And I think we've collectively come to disregard Fatal Tragedy when discussing JM's lyrics, since they're perfectly fine, with some nice touches, but rather thankless and a little workmanlike.
He's a cool lyricist, but so are JP and JLB.
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Does anyone else dislike Myung's lyrics? :/
I think they're basically pleasant, but not necessarily any better than any other band member's. If he contributed as much as John Petrucci, I reckon we'd be as split on them as we are on John Petrucci's. I don't dislike them, and I look forward to JM contributing simply for the fact that it's another voice and one we don't get to hear very often, but I also don't think they're the life-changing super-normous big deal a lot of people really do. Sometimes great, ToT's great. Breaking All Illusions is just... vague, uplifting imagery. Don't have many complaints, but don't have any gushing praise, either - although, "Searching out, reaching in, to arrive where I began" is eerily familiar. And I think we've collectively come to disregard Fatal Tragedy when discussing JM's lyrics, since they're perfectly fine, with some nice touches, but rather thankless and a little workmanlike.
He's a cool lyricist, but so are JP and JLB.
Exactly that, although I had no hope of expressing it so eloquently.
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Seriously.
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Well, they are not great a priori, of course, everybody can have lyrical high and low moments, even though it's easier to have the former when you don't have to provide 5 to 7 sets for every release. It's much easier to come up with great words when you can choose a song you connect to in a particular way and let this resonance bear its fruits. This is probably why many fans enjoy JM's or JLB's lyrics more than those by the other band members.
As for myself, I happen to love every one of them, besides Fatal Tragedy. Hopefully I'll be able to quote this last sentence without any change when the new album is out. :)
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Behind JLB, JM would be my favourite lyricist for DT. JP's lyrics have never really interested me, especially on post-Systematic Chaos albums.
I think that part of the reason why I don't really like his lyrics is because they are too literal (as someone said earlier). Sometimes they can be interesting, but too often I can't find any meaning behind the words. JM's lyrics are often vague and open to interpretation, which I like. JLB's lyrics, imo, have a good balance between being literal, symbolic and meaningful.
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Mixing is a lot more difficult than you might think. It could easily take a month or more to mix. There are complications too numerous to mention here, but one as an example.....
Then on top of that, the producer (JP) comes in and says he doesn't like something, now throw that mix out the window and start over.
Trust me, I know all about mixing since that's where my education went. Sometimes it's easy, sometimes it's rather hard. But, most engineers who have worked with this for several years use a maximum of one day per song with normal lengths. Two a day isn't uncommon either. I think two weeks are a fair guesstimate for how long this particular mix will take. That is if the editing is done of course, since especially editing vocals can take forever.
I hope JP doesn't do that. Given how none of their recent recordings have sounded any good when it comes to bottom I doubt his influence is any good in that regard. When numerous engineers fail to make a high quality bass audible and good sounding my guess is that the producer want it like that. If it happens again I'll start demanding stems for every record so that I can make things more balanced myself.
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To me, JP's lyrical depth in Awake is totally unmatchable, I just can't figure out how he could end up writing those SC lyrics. I also love JM lyrics, and do think BAI is really good though it can't match songs like Lifting Shadows Off A Dream or Trial of Tears (absolute masterpieces to me).
I truly love the verses "wisdom revealed as I unlearn to learn", and the whole theme of the song is very interesting. BAI is something tied to the asian concept of spirituality, and I think this is the reason why many people just don't get it/like it. If you are familiar to asian philosophy (indian - chinese - japanese), you know why the theme of coming full circle is so important. This is the reason why, in karate, after the black belt you have the white belt again. After you have experienced it all, you must face a new beginning, and achieve new purity. To do this you must reach a state of enlightment, you must tear apart the veil of Maya and mentally break down all the mirrors of illusion. Then everything you know evolves into something different, as the many different aspects of reality (or techniques, speaking of martial arts) become one. It's about freeing your mind and achieving completeness.
I really like the fact that JM decided to write something that has to do with his origins and maybe with his own way of thinking and living. I think he told us something personal and intimate, and I feel like thanking him for this.
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One thing I'm really hoping for on this new CD is unique song structures. I love ACOS, OAMOT, TKH, etc because they don't just follow the tired verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solos-chorus structure. Especially in ACOS and OAMOT, the solo/instrumental sections weave in and out very effectively. Actually songs like Metropolis don't have a repeated chorus at all, which is one of the things I love about it. Every section feels unique.
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Or just Rick Ruin it - turn everything up until everything is in the red and it'll sound great on ipods !
The thing is, stuff like Death Magnetic sounds bad even on an iPod with cheap earphones (the type of earphones is important because you can put lossless or even 256+ Kbps music on an iPod and use quality headphones and it'll sound pretty much as good as anything else to all but the most discerning of ears).
Which is what makes the loudness war even more confounding. I'm not sure of a single situation where that style of mixing is better than one without clipping. Maybe playing music out loud over cheap laptop speakers where volume matters, but still. That's one very specified scenario and it would be dumb to ruin the sound for every other scenario to slightly improve that one. Honestly, if I want the music louder, I'll turn the volume up. I don't understand why that's such a big deal. The only time I have ever turned the volume up to 50% when using headphones is when I'm in an area with a lot of ambient noise listening to music that has not been clipped. And if it's really a problem for you that the music is too quiet when you're playing it off cheap laptop speakers, there is an obvious and simple solution awaiting you at any electronics store.
Sorry for the rant, which was longer than even I expected, but the whole idea of compressing music just confounds me.
And here's what makes it worse: the band stands by it! Lars says "it sounds fine in my car". So despite how much the fans complain, nothing else matters? ( ;D) If he played DM and say The Black Album side by side, he would hear the difference. Then again, his ears are probably so shot, maybe not.
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One thing I'm really hoping for on this new CD is unique song structures. I love ACOS, OAMOT, TKH, etc because they don't just follow the tired verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solos-chorus structure. Especially in ACOS and OAMOT, the solo/instrumental sections weave in and out very effectively. Actually songs like Metropolis don't have a repeated chorus at all, which is one of the things I love about it. Every section feels unique.
Yeah, I was trying to think of it, and I actually can't think of a single song besides Metropolis, where not a single lyric is reprised in some way or another. That is what "Progressive" is all about to me.
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One thing I'm really hoping for on this new CD is unique song structures. I love ACOS, OAMOT, TKH, etc because they don't just follow the tired verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solos-chorus structure. Especially in ACOS and OAMOT, the solo/instrumental sections weave in and out very effectively. Actually songs like Metropolis don't have a repeated chorus at all, which is one of the things I love about it. Every section feels unique.
Yes, a few of these would be cool. Granted, a couple verse-chorus standards for good measure would be good, but definitely some atypical lyrical structures would be a nice thing throughout the album.
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To me, JP's lyrical depth in Awake is totally unmatchable, I just can't figure out how he could end up writing those SC lyrics.
??? Why? If you liked his lyrics on Awake, what is it about his lyrics on SC that bother you?
BAI...
I truly love the verses "wisdom revealed as I unlearn to learn", and the whole theme of the song is very interesting. BAI is something tied to the asian concept of spirituality, and I think this is the reason why many people just don't get it/like it. If you are familiar to asian philosophy (indian - chinese - japanese), you know why the theme of coming full circle is so important. This is the reason why, in karate, after the black belt you have the white belt again. After you have experienced it all, you must face a new beginning, and achieve new purity. To do this you must reach a state of enlightment, you must tear apart the veil of Maya and mentally break down all the mirrors of illusion. Then everything you know evolves into something different, as the many different aspects of reality (or techniques, speaking of martial arts) become one. It's about freeing your mind and achieving completeness.
Since I think I was the one who first mentioned not liking those lyrics, I'll comment and explain why. Obviously, I can't speak for others who may not like them for whatever reason (and I think people who dislike those lyrics seem to be a minority anyway), but as far as my own reasons: I am fully aware of the eastern concepts of sprituality that you mention above. And that is precisely why I don't like these lyrics. There are some great lines here and there, and some great concepts. But as a whole, lyrics on concepts of spirituality get a greater degree of scrutiny from me than lyrics on other concepts. Lyrics that promote spiritual concepts that are contrary to God or, more applicable with this song, that substitute another spiritual concept for God, are not going to resonate with me and are going to be something that, generally speaking, I will not like very much. That has a lot to do with my problems with the lyrics on that particular song. Again, that's not to say that there aren't parts I enjoy, or that I don't enjoy other lyrics by JM. I find that I generally like his lyrical contributions. Just not on this BAI.
I don't want to go into greater detail than that because I do not want to derail this thread into a discussion of religious beliefs. That should not be debated here and is a topic more suitable for the political and relious subforum. If anyone wants to continue this discussion there, feel free to start a thread in that section. Just wanted to provide a little clarification on my take on the lyrics.
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^^ :tup
I agree with your opinion
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To me, JP's lyrical depth in Awake is totally unmatchable, I just can't figure out how he could end up writing those SC lyrics.
??? Why? If you liked his lyrics on Awake, what is it about his lyrics on SC that bother you?
Seriously? I can't think of a single common element. There is no comparison there whatsoever. Cheesy, "spooky" stories on the one side and introspective stuff like Scarred and thoughtfully constructed snippets of mentally ill people's diaries like Voices on the other. Also the difference in quality is easily seen. It's like saying that Lines in the Sand's lyrics are of the same quality as of The Answer Lies Within.
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To me, JP's lyrical depth in Awake is totally unmatchable, I just can't figure out how he could end up writing those SC lyrics.
??? Why? If you liked his lyrics on Awake, what is it about his lyrics on SC that bother you?
Seriously? I can't think of a single common element. There is no comparison there whatsoever. Cheesy, "spooky" stories on the one side and introspective stuff like Scarred and thoughtfully constructed snippets of mentally ill people's diaries like Voices on the other. Also the difference in quality is easily seen. It's like saying that Lines in the Sand's lyrics are of the same quality as of The Answer Lies Within.
This. There is a definite difference between lyrics on SC and lyrics on Awake. One has introspective lyrics that describe personal struggles while the other has lyrics about vampires and scary monsters. Not to mention the writing style is much different; SC being less poetic.
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JP always wrote the best lyrics, IMO. I can't explain what it is, but every time I read his lyrics, I get a sense of power and I always end up saying "that's fucking awesome" out loud. Example: ITPOE
Not that JLB and JM don't write great lyrics.
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Okay, well you are saying two different things:
1. Narrative style vs. more abstract poetic style: John has always seemed to employ these two different styles in his lyrics. I would have to agree that SC is easily the one album where he employed the more literal narrative style of lyrics more exclusively than another other album. I don't have a problem with that, but if someone's preference is the more abstract, poetic style, that's perfectly valid, and I get it. But what I don't get about it is someone not realizing that JP has always had that more literal narrative style, even as far back as WDADU. It's just that on SC, you are pretty much getting only that style. (although ITPOE is a very interesting example of a song that, on one level, seems to be a strictly narrative story taken from a manga about demons and zombie armies, etc., but on a deeper level is actually about spiritual struggles in the more broad sense)
2. "Quality": I'm not even sure what you mean by this. I'm not seeing any dropoff in quality over time, so I have no idea what you are talking about.
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I see a drastic drop-off in quality in regards to JP's lyrics. He still has had some good ones over the years, but he has had some stinkers as well. Sometimes, it is hard to believe it is the same guy who wrote such lyrical gems as Voices, Scarred and Take Away My Pain.
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JP also has the ability to be great even when he's being mostly literal. Case in point: Someone Like Him. Beautiful stuff. Part of it is probably JLB's excellent delivery and the nice melody underneath, but I love those lyrics. Other examples: Beneath the Surface, Bridges in the Sky
Whoops, ninja'd by Bosk.
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To me, I'd say JLB has the most touching lyrics out of the DT guys (although, ADTOE had a few touching songs by JP - TITL, BTS, and then there was also TAMP)
But songs like Disappear, FFH, Vacant... not many of DT's lyrics match that beauty. But I think JP writes the most interesting lyrics. I think it's really cool that he'll go and research the free masons, or the persian empire, just so he can write a song about them. He is definitely talented. Over all, I think JP and JLB are my favorite lyricists for DT. KevMo, MP, and JMX all tying for second. I would like to hear from JR though one of these days. I'm sure he has some wacky lyrics to share with us. Maybe a song about why we should buy his apps. hahaha.
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The boys, chilling in front of the mix console. :)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/5823_572907646094585_1742543517_n.jpg)
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Rich looks tired, he must've been working really hard :D
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Well bosk1, when we talk about a difference in quality, what we mean abstractly is: compare lyrics of The Answer Lies Within, Forsaken, Wither, Bulid Me Up, Break Me Down and A Rite of Passage to Lines in the Sand, Voices, Surrounded, Misunderstood and Innocence Faded.
Having said that, I have to make clear that I love all DT songs and lyrics, but as much as I'm a fanboy I try to be objective as much as I can. I like everything they have released so far, but I cannot but recognize some variations in quality here and there on some levels (i.e. lyrics). It doesn't bug me, but it's there.
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Well bosk1, when we talk about a difference in quality, what we mean abstractly is: compare lyrics of The Answer Lies Within, Forsaken, Wither, Bulid Me Up, Break Me Down and A Rite of Passage to Lines in the Sand, Voices, Surrounded, Misunderstood and Innocence Faded.
Surrounded was written by KevMo ;)
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Yeah, sorry I was thinking of Under a Glass Moon... :facepalm:
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We should be getting the track listing for DT12 any day now....maybe tomorrow or Friday(?)
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Well bosk1, when we talk about a difference in quality, what we mean abstractly is: compare lyrics of The Answer Lies Within, Forsaken, Wither, Bulid Me Up, Break Me Down and A Rite of Passage to Lines in the Sand, Voices, Surrounded, Misunderstood and Innocence Faded.
I get it that you might prefer one set of songs over the other. But I don't really see a difference in quality. I just don't.
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We should be getting the track listing for DT12 any day now....maybe tomorrow or Friday(?)
I'd expect it once they're done mastering the album, so I'd be keeping an eye on their progress for mixing/mastering. I'd probably give it a couple of weeks yet.
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I get it that you might prefer one set of songs over the other. But I don't really see a difference in quality. I just don't.
May I ask how you measure the quality of lyrics? Just curious, here.
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You can't, lyrics aren't a subjective thing. They hit each of us differently. What may seem like high school philosophy to one person may be just the words another needs to get through hard times.
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Well bosk1, when we talk about a difference in quality, what we mean abstractly is: compare lyrics of The Answer Lies Within, Forsaken, Wither, Bulid Me Up, Break Me Down and A Rite of Passage to Lines in the Sand, Voices, Surrounded, Misunderstood and Innocence Faded.
I get it that you might prefer one set of songs over the other. But I don't really see a difference in quality. I just don't.
There's a huge difference in quality. For starters, one set of lyrics is brimming with allegory and unconventional metaphor, making them more lyrical. The later set are much more sparse on poetic device, which is why people who really like lyrics don't like em as much.
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Well what do you want me to say? I know it's not something you can measure and I know that tastes differ. It just feels to me like some lyrics were somewhat less thoughtfully crafted than others. Also less "truthfull". For instance, Wither and Misunderstood both describe an introspective, emotional state, that JP went through somepoint in time. But at least in this example I think objectivity can be invoked. I mean come on, I don't want to be politically correct about this, there is a difference in quality. In the end it's just my opinion, it's not like I am the lyrics police :police:
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Well bosk1, when we talk about a difference in quality, what we mean abstractly is: compare lyrics of The Answer Lies Within, Forsaken, Wither, Bulid Me Up, Break Me Down and A Rite of Passage to Lines in the Sand, Voices, Surrounded, Misunderstood and Innocence Faded.
I get it that you might prefer one set of songs over the other. But I don't really see a difference in quality. I just don't.
There's a huge difference in quality. For starters, one set of lyrics is brimming with allegory and unconventional metaphor, making them more lyrical. The later set are much more sparse on poetic device, which is why people who really like lyrics don't like em as much.
Okay, that's fine. But "brimming with allegory and unconventional metaphor" is not necessarily an indicator of quality, no matter how much you or some others may personally subjectively prefer lyrics that fall into that category. (not to mention the fact that I'm sure many of us could point out a lot of songs out there that are similarly brimming with allegory and unconventional metephore that suck out loud)
In the end it's just my opinion, it's not like I am the lyrics police :police:
Well, that's cool. But that's different than making a more objective statement about "quality."
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That's why I asked how you measure quality, bosk. I mean, this isn't a big thing, and I don't really care, but when you say lyrical quality is somewhat objective, it makes me wonder how you're measuring it.
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Sometimes one describes objectivity as a common view on an issue. And when it comes to my last example (wither/misunderstood) I think it's a common view of which one has better crafted, thoughtfull lyrics. A common view being the sum of most opinions of course. Like it's a common view (some would say objective) that Death Magnetic is not as good as the Black Album. That sort of thing...
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That's why I asked how you measure quality, bosk.
For the most part, I don't.
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When is album sequencing done in relation to mixing? I would think you would need a finished product to hear how the songs sound one after the other. Sequencing is important to me, SFAM track listing was great musically: some fast songs, a slow song, more fast songs, a slow song, etc.
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Since they wrote the opening instramental track after everything else, my guess would be it's some kind of overture for the album so they sorted out the sequencing before writting that.
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Possible, but not necessarily. And since it isn't a concept album, I actually don't think it is an overture.
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I don't think it will be anything that complex musically. I'm thinking it will be a one minute thing that's a fairly low key lead in to the opening track.
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I think the quality of the lyrics to Baby by Justin Bieber sucks.
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I think the quality of the lyrics to Baby by Justin Bieber sucks.
Lol.
I think quality should be measured by how much thought is put into the lyrics.
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No. One could put lots of thought into it, and still end up with lousy lyrics.
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I think quality should be measured by how much thought is put into the lyrics.
This doesn't work either. Some people have a great deal of writing talent and can write something that is very good with minimal thought while some people just can't write and could spend weeks working on lyrics that turn out worse than Dave Mustaine's version of Jump In the Fire.
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I somewhat agree. That's the reason I love DT and prog so much. Because they take writing songs to another level, with the length and the musicianship, concepts. It's trying to make art verses just writing a song. So I do somewhat agree that there is quality to lyric writing. Most of the time it takes a lot of thought to properly articulate your feelings with words. And if you're lazy and are just trying to write a hit or whatever, you're not necessarily gonna take the time and make the effort to writing something that really expresses your feeling on the subject. I write lyrics for my band, and sometimes it can be hard because I want them to be perfect, and I want them to be written in such a way that anyone can relate them to a situation they've been in, even though they're really about a specific situation that I was in. That takes effort. Like I said, the quality of the lyrics to Baby sucks, because to me, there is no quality. Someone just wrote the word 'baby' seventeen times on a piece of paper and said that was a song.
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I don't think the quality of any of DT's lyrics are bad (with the exception of "don't cross the crooked step"), because even though they might not all 'speak' to ME the way that some songs do, you can really tell that they ARE saying something and they weren't just thrown together.
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I think the quality of the lyrics to Baby by Justin Bieber sucks.
Lol.
I think quality should be measured by how much thought is put into the lyrics.
I don't. At all.
As far as I'm concerned, "quality" as it pertains to the arts is subjective, so for any individual higher quality output will be something either that meets the criteria that are important to you, or for those of us who don't bother with particular criteria then simply how much it speaks to you, and how much you enjoy it.
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Well bosk1, when we talk about a difference in quality, what we mean abstractly is: compare lyrics of The Answer Lies Within, Forsaken, Wither, Bulid Me Up, Break Me Down and A Rite of Passage to Lines in the Sand, Voices, Surrounded, Misunderstood and Innocence Faded.
I get it that you might prefer one set of songs over the other. But I don't really see a difference in quality. I just don't.
Boy, I do.
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Okay, that's fine. But "brimming with allegory and unconventional metaphor" is not necessarily an indicator of quality, no matter how much you or some others may personally subjectively prefer lyrics that fall into that category. (not to mention the fact that I'm sure many of us could point out a lot of songs out there that are similarly brimming with allegory and unconventional metephore that suck out loud)
I'm not saying that it's an indicator of quality, really. I'm saying that it's an indicator of qualities, i.e., poetic qualities, and when it comes to those, JP's more recent lyrics have few. And, unfortunately, it's hard to have "quality" lyrics without any of those "qualities".
It's a fair comment that metaphors and allegories can suck. But I'd certainly appreciate the attempt, for what it's worth. I've always thought some of JP's lyrics were maybe too obfuscating in the early parts of his career, and I never really liked "Under a Glass Moon" much, but JP's lyrics could definitely benefit from a bit more of the courage he demonstrated earlier in his career.
Beneath the summer sky
Under glass moonlight
The night awaits the lamb's arrival
Liquid shadows crawl
Silver teardrops fall
The bride subsides to her survival
Sure, it might appear to be a little pretentious, and some of it could be definitely be reworked or rephrased (it's NOT perfect), but at least it's memorable, it sticks with me and begs me to interpret. Listening to those lines sung or just reading them on a page alone makes me ponderous, and inspires me to think. This is, on average, true about most Dream Theater lyrics on Dream Theater's first 5 or 6 records, and is on average not true for DT's last 4 or 5 records, which is a real shame coming from the a band that so often emphasizes topics surrounding thought, dreams, illusion, the mind, and so on.
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Is it really an issue of quality or an issue of preference over style in terms of this lyrics debate? I mean, good lyrics don't have to be Chaucer set to music. It's possible to be straightforward and still be good. Beyond this Life is a pretty straightforward song... a newspaper clipping being read off essentially... and I'd say that's a good song. I don't think lyrics need to be all mysterious and poetic to be good. They don't necessarily have to wax metaphorically to be good either. I think this is a debate that's too rooted in subjectivity. If you like a song's lyrics, you like them. If you don't like a songs lyrics, you don't like them. I don't think it's necessarily an indication of good or poor quality though.
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Of course, it's all subjective.
I'm just saying that in general, lyrics that contain allegory, metaphor, imagery, and other sorts of poetic qualities are better than those that lack those qualities.
People used to really get into great discussions about what older DT songs meant.
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I also like the lyrics from I&W/Awake alot more than the newer stuff! Voices are one of the best in my book. I´m a sucker for the fantasy, metaphor stuff.
But I also like alot of Mark Knopflers lyrics and he´s a more "easy" kind of writer.
Then you’ll find me in Madame Geneva’s
keeping the demons at bay
There’s nothing like gin for drowning them in
but they’ll always be back on a hanging day
brilliant stuff :)
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There can be good and bad metaphorical/poetic lyrics, and there can also be good and bad more straightforward lyrics. For me, JP's lyrics started off pretty shakey on WDADU (which can of course be forgiven), were getting there on I&W, peaked with Awake, stayed at a high level on FII, and then started to digress in a downward spiral, regardless of which style he was using.
I am glad to say that I thought his offerings on ADTOE were definitely a step back in the right direction.
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Bad Quality Lyric Examples:
Even though I know
I don't wanna know
Yeah I guess I know
I just hate how it sounds
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You build me up, you break me down
My heart, it pounds Yeah, you got me
With my hands up You got me now
You got that sound Yeah, you got me
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You build me up, you break me down
My heart, it pounds Yeah, you got me
With my hands up You got me now
You got that sound Yeah, you got me
ZOMG BMUBMD on ATDOE IS A TOTAL JACK MOVE BY DT.
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I think the quality of the lyrics to Baby by Justin Bieber sucks.
Lol.
I think quality should be measured by how much thought is put into the lyrics.
I don't. At all.
As far as I'm concerned, "quality" as it pertains to the arts is subjective, so for any individual higher quality output will be something either that meets the criteria that are important to you, or for those of us who don't bother with particular criteria then simply how much it speaks to you, and how much you enjoy it.
This.
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I think the quality of the lyrics to Baby by Justin Bieber sucks.
Lol.
I think quality should be measured by how much thought is put into the lyrics.
I don't. At all.
As far as I'm concerned, "quality" as it pertains to the arts is subjective, so for any individual higher quality output will be something either that meets the criteria that are important to you, or for those of us who don't bother with particular criteria then simply how much it speaks to you, and how much you enjoy it.
Yep. Absolutely, man.
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The bride subsides to her sturvival
FTFY :tup
Seriously, though, I can definitely see where you are coming from, and I think Images is, as a whole, DT's lyrical peak. However, I also wouldn't say that they are bad these days. Something like A Rite of Passage certainly isn't as poetic or evocative as Under a Glass Moon, but it does communicate some kind of meaning with a lot of tasty imagery.
The seven stars
The rising sun
A perfect world
Where new life has begun
A rite of passage
Yeah, it's no Voices, but it sounds lovely and certainly is evocative of the symbols and goals of the freemasons, which is exactly what it is supposed to be.
I would definitely love to see John P write some lyrics like he did in the early 90s. However, I don't really see that happening, and I don't see any glaring problems with his currently lyrical output. I think also we'll only get four or five songs by him this time around (as opposed to seven on ADTOE) due to the presence of instrumentals and the likelihood of Myung writing one song and LaBrie writing one or two, which should allow JP to focus on quality over quantity.
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There is no real measure of quality, then.
Is there a measure of intelligence? Of course, high intelligence can still write terrible lyrics, and sometimes vice versa.
Ehh, the world's all foggy.
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For the record though, I think the lyrics to Forsaken are pretty great. It's a fantasy song, so it doesn't need to have some metaphor. And it still tells the story in a very poetic way. If you don't like vampires, that's your problem, but the wording of the lyrics is very beautiful.
[Yeah, it's no Voices, but it sounds lovely
Totally agreed. Personally, my problem with AROP isn't in the lyrics, but rather in the execution, thanks in no small part to MP doing his little shout outs in the background.
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For the record though, I think the lyrics to Forsaken are pretty great. It's a fantasy song, so it doesn't need to have some metaphor. And it still tells the story in a very poetic way. If you don't like vampires, that's your problem, but the wording of the lyrics is very beautiful.
I LOVE Forsaken's lyrics. It never out-and-out mentions vampires while still communicating the story in a clear and beautiful way. The best part?
Out of an ivory mist
I felt a stinging kiss
And saw a crimson stain
On her lips
Just the way John communicates this plot element is so well-done. And if you do like vampires, that imagery is kinda hot. :P
Totally agreed. Personally, my problem with AROP isn't in the lyrics, but rather in the execution, thanks in no small part to MP doing his little shout outs in the background.
That is one of the songs where Mike went a little overboard on the backing vocals, but I still think James' vocal melodies are well executed. I actually think the chorus is quite catchy, particularly the line "A rite of passage."
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I actually really like Forsaken, lyrically and musically. Unfortunately, I just think the delivery fails, despite the songs potential. I'm sure the run 'n' gun recording style didn't help James nail the delivery much.
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That's one reason I like SC so much, some songs are more fiction/fantasy than personal. A nice change.
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That's precisely the problem.
IMHO.
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Yea. Lyrically I prefer songs like Repentance and Constant Motion (yes seriously!). The fantasy stuff doesn't do much for me in general. Despite still not being as strong as before, Black Clouds and ADTOE were both steps in the right direction, lyrically.
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That's one reason I like SC so much, some songs are more fiction/fantasy than personal. A nice change.
Right out of the pages of classic metal, with bands like Iron Maiden, and Dio. :metal
Frankly, I think DT needs more stuff like that. Maybe not EVERY song, but I think content wise, they should have at least one "The Killing Hand" or "Dark Eternal Night" song per album. I guess Bridges In The Sky was close enough. Unless there's some literal, current event meaning behind it that I didn't get.
Point is, I'm hoping we'll see at least one song with fantasy lyrics this time around. But hopefully more like 3. Or all of them! :biggrin:
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That's one reason I like SC so much, some songs are more fiction/fantasy than personal. A nice change.
Well, sort of. I mean, if you go song by song:
Forsaken: fantasy
TDEN: fantasy
TMOLS: fantasy, but a pretty original story that is somewhat interesting
But then you have:
CM: personal (Portnoy's mind)
Repentence: personal (Portnoy's former addiction, and coping with guilt and making amends)
POW: political
And then you have ITPOE, which, again is purely fantasy on the surface, but really is metaphorical for a more personal/universal topic, so it fits the fantasy lyrics mold, but is also intensely personal and metaphorical, so it doesn't really squarely fit the "fantasy lyrics" mold either.
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And then you have ITPOE, which, again is purely fantasy on the surface, but really is metaphorical for a more personal/universal topic, so it fits the fantasy lyrics mold, but is also intensely personal and metaphorical, so it doesn't really squarely fit the "fantasy lyrics" mold either.
That's an interesting way to look at it, but it's still fantasy in a way that it depicts the 'psychology' of the character in such vivid, literal images. It's the equivalent of someone being on the cusp of death, and have their struggle to survive be depicted as a literal war, or something of the sort. It is metaphorical, but the imagery it conveys is still fantasy. Either way, I'm all for it.
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And then you have ITPOE, which, again is purely fantasy on the surface, but really is metaphorical for a more personal/universal topic, so it fits the fantasy lyrics mold, but is also intensely personal and metaphorical, so it doesn't really squarely fit the "fantasy lyrics" mold either.
That's an interesting way to look at it, but it's still fantasy in a way that it depicts the 'psychology' of the character in such vivid, literal images. It's the equivalent of someone being on the cusp of death, and have their struggle to survive be depicted as a literal war, or something of the sort. It is metaphorical, but the imagery it conveys is still fantasy. Either way, I'm all for it.
Well, sure. But the point is, isn't not just a fantasy story about demons and zombies for the sake of telling a story about demons and zombies. It's about a much deeper, more universal subject, and the fantasy story is simply an allegory and, despite being 99% of the narrative, is really about the deeper topic. Kind of similar to how Six Degrees takes you on a journey through stories of the mental problems of these six individuals whose stories are told, and the listener is deliberately led to believe that these six random, seemingly unrelated stories are the point of the song. But then the band flips the song on its head when you get to the end of Grand Finale and the band drops on you that it isn't about these six individuals at all--it's about us as a society and how we react to psychological conditions and the problems that creates. Similar idea.
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Speaking of SC, I think it's pretty obvious now that James writes better when he's feeling, rather than thinking.
"thinking" songs
-PoW - very bad
-Blind Faith - some cool lines, but, what is he even getting at?
"feeling" songs
-Disappear - amazing
-Far from Heaven - absolutely crushing
-Vacant - heartwrenching
"bit of both" songs
-Sacrificed Songs - just OK, esp bad when he starts waxing philosophical
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I like Prophets Of War.
:millahhhh
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You can't, lyrics aren't a subjective thing. They hit each of us differently. What may seem like high school philosophy to one person may be just the words another needs to get through hard times.
100% agree. I have a friend that is the lead singer/lyracist for a pretty popular/well known metal band. We have had NUMEROUS conversations regarding his lyrics. In a nutshell, he has said the same exact thing RJ just did.
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Something like A Rite of Passage certainly isn't as poetic or evocative as Under a Glass Moon, but it does communicate some kind of meaning with a lot of tasty imagery.
The seven stars
The rising sun
A perfect world
Where new life has begun
A rite of passage
Yeah, it's no Voices, but it sounds lovely and certainly is evocative of the symbols and goals of the freemasons, which is exactly what it is supposed to be.
It's just a collection of Masonic imagery. It's like a list of Masonic keywords set to music. The words don't accomplish anything, it's just a collection of references. Awful lyrics.
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It's just a collection of Masonic imagery. It's like a list of Masonic keywords set to music. The words don't accomplish anything, it's just a collection of references. Awful lyrics.
Sure they do. They provide information about the beliefs and actions of the freemasons. Whether you think that is something worthy of an eight minute song is an entirely different question, but they accomplish that. And the lyrics sound nice, aesthetically.
If you don't like lyrics that just provide information about a subject, never listen to Iron Maiden, because they have plenty of songs that do that only far more awkwardly than JP did on A Rite of Passage. Take Alexander the Great:
Hellenism he spread far and wide
The Macedonian learned mind
Their culture was a western way of life
He paved the way for Christianity
And that song is widely praised as a top 20 song among serious fans, unlike A Rite of Passage. Oh, and even those lyrics I would not consider "awful," just mediocre and sometimes awkward. I definitely did get something from them: I have a strange amount of knowledge about the life of Alexander of Macedonia.
I definitely agree with you that if we are ranking John Petrucci's lyrics, or Dream Theater's lyrics, A Rite of Passage sits near the bottom. But that in itself does not make the lyrics to the song awful. It just means that almost all of the band's lyrics are very good and that these are only mediocre. A Rite of Passage does not draw the listener in with its lyrics or break any new ground lyrically, but it does have lyrics that are not in any way noticeably awkward in phrasing (unlike the aforementioned Alexander The Great by Maiden which at one point in the song tries to fit a full date ("334 BC") into the lyrics), can provide interesting information to some listeners, and are generally at least slightly aesthetically pleasing, with some good uses of imagery. These aren't great lyrics that I'm going to go around quoting, but they are certainly not bad.
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Someone tried to add the new album to the Prog Archives database, but since there's no info AT ALL, the page looked silly, so I made it look sillier. Check it out before the admins there delete it.
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=41989 (https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=41989)
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Yo Mama ;D
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Someone tried to add the new album to the Prog Archives database, but since there's no info AT ALL, the page looked silly, so I made it look sillier. Check it out before the admins there delete it.
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=41989 (https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=41989)
:rollin
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:lol
I don't mind the lyrics from the last couple of releases, I enjoy some of them quite a bit, but the stuff from the 90s is much more my cup of tea, especially the really abstract stuff.
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I can honestly say I like dt's lyrics old and new I mean we should try to remember that DT are primarily muso's not poets and that said I think they all do pretty well!!
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By the way, has anyone figured out yet what the 'Torres' channel on the mixing console showed in the trailer is? Looked quite funny to me.
When it comes to the album as a whole, I'm not really a fan of self titled albums, but it should really fit this one as it's the first one written with Mangini and all that stuff. Hope it also means that this will be the album defining the modern Dream Theater style. I really liked A Dramatic Turn of Events and I hope they'll continue on that path while simultaneously expanding to new directions and doing something more experimental. Jordan using the Seaboard is a good sign of that, and also the midi snippet posted here sounded really interesting. I also like the fact that they have the orchestra, and even cooler is that the guys in the band haven't been hyping it all the time, which probably means this won't be just a 'Dream Theater plays with an orchestra' album.
The only thing that worries me a bit is how the trailer showed that there'll be only a few keyboard solos. Hopefully it only means that Jordan has some tricks in his sleeve that are a lot cooler than solos.
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KM was the best DT lyricist by so far, followed by Myung and LaBrie.
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It's just a collection of Masonic imagery. It's like a list of Masonic keywords set to music. The words don't accomplish anything, it's just a collection of references. Awful lyrics.
Sure they do. They provide information about the beliefs and actions of the freemasons. Whether you think that is something worthy of an eight minute song is an entirely different question, but they accomplish that.
I don't think that's a different question at all. Besides, I don't know that it actually does what you say it does, "provide information." It's literally a collection of images and phrases. Where did the masons come from? What is their purpose? Are they good or bad? Is the song told from the POV of a mason or a person making accusations about masons? I have no idea.
And something with more depth MAY be worthy of an 8 minute song. But this isn't.
If you don't like lyrics that just provide information about a subject, never listen to Iron Maiden
I don't.
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Music is art. Lyrics are part of the musical creation, they're not a mere caption set below the painting, they are a part of the whole. You may decide how big a part they are according to your own taste, so that it can affect more or less your perception of a song, and this is something that varies from one person to another.
Those words are called "lyrics", organized in "verses", than it looks like they really have something to do with literature. Being those a literary product, I find it fair to judge them as such.
Being literature a subject of study, and being jobs like the writer or the poet some serious professions, we may think there's a way to look at literature from an objective point of view. Because you study what is objective. You may not care much about these things, but this is exactly what is indeed subjective: your personal interest in these matters.
One may be moved by something that strikes him personally, for reasons that are subjective, and according to this he/she may like specific lyrics that are more emotionally powerful towards him or her.
One may as well be seduced by the sound of words and phrases, or by the way they are put together, with puns and similar tools (I've been trying to justify you, in the end I will just defy you), but this is only a single one of the many, many devices that can be used in a literary product, and does not suffice to make something interesting from a literary point of view.
Also, one may be interested in the informations that the text provides, but you may agree that a newspaper article is not always a literary piece.
I recognize that lyrics must necessarily use some literary aspects over others, for example rhythm and syllabication, that are essential as the lyrics are so tied to the music, as well as a strong and direct imagery to underline certain moments of the song (cant' stop this flame for burning, forever more into the night blistering). But still they have to feature a much wider set of devices and be built upon a solid theme to be of some literary value.
This is my position on these matters. One may be fond of some lyrics without any/few objective reasons and I would never dare to blame him for this, but at the same time I think one cannot say that everything about lyrics is absolutely subjective.
I know that we live in a time when people put together pebbles with chewing gum and call it art just because some critic might have recognized his personal feelings in it (and suddenly things that were made with no expenses at all start to be valued loads of money), as well as when books that are sold in million of copies are called masterpieces just because they sell. The next phrase is a personal thought: actually, I think that art today is in such a wretched state because it's become all about money. But I feel I'm on a Pindaric flight and I understand I'm going more than off topic. I allowed myself to write a post about these things just because I think that the subject is of some value.
To say something in-topic: I agree with who said that ADTOE was a step back in the right direction from a lyrical point of view, the return of Myung being certainly not a case. I am very faithful in JM's work and can't wait to hear his new lyrics.
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I like Prophets Of War.
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I like Prophets Of War.
:millahhhh
It's nice to finally meet you. I heard there was one person that liked this song.
:angel:
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By the way, has anyone figured out yet what the 'Torres' channel on the mixing console showed in the trailer is? Looked quite funny to me.
When it comes to the album as a whole, I'm not really a fan of self titled albums, but it should really fit this one as it's the first one written with Mangini and all that stuff. Hope it also means that this will be the album defining the modern Dream Theater style. I really liked A Dramatic Turn of Events and I hope they'll continue on that path while simultaneously expanding to new directions and doing something more experimental. Jordan using the Seaboard is a good sign of that, and also the midi snippet posted here sounded really interesting. I also like the fact that they have the orchestra, and even cooler is that the guys in the band haven't been hyping it all the time, which probably means this won't be just a 'Dream Theater plays with an orchestra' album.
The only thing that worries me a bit is how the trailer showed that there'll be only a few keyboard solos. Hopefully it only means that Jordan has some tricks in his sleeve that are a lot cooler than solos.
I liked the direction they were headed in with ADTOE. A better balance of all elements. However, with Mangini writing his own parts, they should really fully utilize this talents for the "heavy" parts. Mangini won world's fastest drummer at least once but you don't hear any of that on ADTOE. His double-bass wasn't any faster than MP's. So when they get to a fast section of DTDT, I hope they really let the man loose.
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By the way, has anyone figured out yet what the 'Torres' channel on the mixing console showed in the trailer is? Looked quite funny to me.
Guest Drummer: Tico Torres!
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By the way, has anyone figured out yet what the 'Torres' channel on the mixing console showed in the trailer is? Looked quite funny to me.
Guest Drummer: Tico Torres!
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IuYhi8kzIjg/S_XkrujNQVI/AAAAAAAADD0/1kgVd-c-je4/s1600/Tico1.jpg)
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By the way, has anyone figured out yet what the 'Torres' channel on the mixing console showed in the trailer is? Looked quite funny to me.
Guest Drummer: Tico Torres!
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IuYhi8kzIjg/S_XkrujNQVI/AAAAAAAADD0/1kgVd-c-je4/s1600/Tico1.jpg)
:metal
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Yeah, MM couldn't nail this certain section of a song so they called in the expertise of Mr Torres.
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Anyways, I feel like this is a lucky day today.
I feel like today we're gonna hear the tracklist.
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Yeah, MM couldn't nail this certain section of a song so they called in the expertise of Mr Torres.
MM couldn't bring himself to play a backbeat for 4 minutes and Phil Rudd was busy.
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Something like A Rite of Passage certainly isn't as poetic or evocative as Under a Glass Moon, but it does communicate some kind of meaning with a lot of tasty imagery.
The seven stars
The rising sun
A perfect world
Where new life has begun
A rite of passage
Yeah, it's no Voices, but it sounds lovely and certainly is evocative of the symbols and goals of the freemasons, which is exactly what it is supposed to be.
It's just a collection of Masonic imagery. It's like a list of Masonic keywords set to music. The words don't accomplish anything, it's just a collection of references. Awful lyrics.
I don't find them awful but they are really lazily written, as if they were based on an article in some history magazine or Wikipedia.
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Anyways, I feel like this is a lucky day today.
I feel like today we're gonna hear the tracklist.
Not yet. Next week maybe.
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Anyways, I feel like this is a lucky day today.
I feel like today we're gonna hear the tracklist.
Not yet. Next week maybe.
The only reason I say so is because two years ago, JP revealed the tracklist June 7th.
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I like Prophets Of War.
:millahhhh
It's nice to finally meet you. I heard there was one person that liked this song.
:angel:
Make it two!!! Imagine what a statement a VIDEO of it would have made! The problem with POW is that you can either agree with it, disagree with it, or not care depending on the point of view. It's probably offended some people.
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I also like POW. Even more controversial perhaps, I like MP's 'rap'.
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I like Prophets Of War.
:millahhhh
It's nice to finally meet you. I heard there was one person that liked this song.
:angel:
Make it two!!! Imagine what a statement a VIDEO of it would have made! The problem with POW is that you can either agree with it, disagree with it, or not care depending on the point of view. It's probably offended some people.
Make it three. Actually I know a lot of people that like that song.
Aside from people griping about it being a crappy song or whatever, it is probably one of the least talked about songs due to its "controversial" subject matter. All discussion on it was banned on Mike Portnoy's forum (who had also expressed support for the Iraq War) and I believe his only comment on it was that there are no limits on what people can write lyrics about in the band....so yeah, I've always wondered if it was a minor point of contention between Mike and James.
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Discussing the song was banned? WTF?
Anyway, I don't dislike it because of the message. I agree with the message. But the song just is not good, and neither are the lyrics. Also it's not really "controversial" in the slightest. By 2007 when SC came out, Bush and his wars were so unpopular especially with those in the media that agreeing with them would have been the way more controversial statement coming from a rock band.
Seems like plenty of people love it, though.
Now that is unexpected, controversial.
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I like Prophets Of War.
:millahhhh
It's nice to finally meet you. I heard there was one person that liked this song.
:angel:
Make it two!!! Imagine what a statement a VIDEO of it would have made! The problem with POW is that you can either agree with it, disagree with it, or not care depending on the point of view. It's probably offended some people.
POW used to be my favourite DT song when I got into them. It's still okay, but I can't really say that I still like it.
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Was it discussion of the song altogether that was banned, or was it simly the discussion of the political aspects? I know MP.com is very strict about keeping all political and religious discussion off the boards altogether, so it wouldn't surprise me. That is basically why we have the separate P/R forum nowadays. P/R discussion had been banned on the main part of the forum at DT.net, and rumborak and some others lobbied for a separate part of the forum where those ideas could be discussed freely without the rest of the forum devolving into political and/or religious debate, and Itchy eventually allowed it. It has continued to this day, but even know, we keep those kinds of discussions off the main forum.
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If you don't like lyrics that just provide information about a subject, never listen to Iron Maiden
I don't.
You OK there, Hef?
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If you don't like lyrics that just provide information about a subject, never listen to Iron Maiden
I don't.
You OK there, Hef?
Yup.
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I'm still waiting for a full finished POW remix from Blob! That was awesome.
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On a different note, why do you suppose we haven't gotten another YouTube studio update yet? I got the impression that they would be doing them somewhat periodically.
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I got the impression that they would be doing them somewhat periodically.
I'd say we're still in that time frame.
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Discussing the song was banned? WTF?
Anyway, I don't dislike it because of the message. I agree with the message. But the song just is not good, and neither are the lyrics. Also it's not really "controversial" in the slightest. By 2007 when SC came out, Bush and his wars were so unpopular especially with those in the media that agreeing with them would have been the way more controversial statement coming from a rock band.
Seems like plenty of people love it, though.
Now that is unexpected, controversial.
Yeah, I'm the same. I don't even know what the lyrics are about. I heard the song once or twice and knew I never needed to ever hear it again.
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I got the impression that they would be doing them somewhat periodically.
I'd say we're still in that time frame.
Well, yeah, I just wanted it to be, like, every few days or something.
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I got the impression that they would be doing them somewhat periodically.
I'd say we're still in that time frame.
Well, yeah, I just wanted it to be, like, every few days or something.
Every few days?!? Wishful thinking there I think dude.
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I got the impression that they would be doing them somewhat periodically.
I'd say we're still in that time frame.
Well, yeah, I just wanted it to be, like, every few days or something.
Every few days?!? Wishful thinking there I think dude.
Hey, man! Don't interrupt my delusions. :P
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I got the impression that they would be doing them somewhat periodically.
I'd say we're still in that time frame.
Well, yeah, I just wanted it to be, like, every few days or something.
I concur.
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I'm still waiting for a full finished POW remix from Blob! That was awesome.
What's that remix? I haven't heard about it.
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I'm still waiting for a full finished POW remix from Blob! That was awesome.
What's that remix? I haven't heard about it.
Prophets of Dance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCdedrXu1wI)
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:metalol:
I had forgotten about that one.
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:JayOctavarium: :heart 's POW
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New phone calls for new wallpaper, right?
(https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q554/oskirules/Screenshot_2013-06-13-12-19-59_zpsf4c68f77.png)
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I'm still waiting for a full finished POW remix from Blob! That was awesome.
What's that remix? I haven't heard about it.
Prophets of Dance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCdedrXu1wI)
Wait, Blob made that? DAMN!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeBmYdOmMgA just uploaded by someone. Fatal Tragedy's is much better, I think someone should put it on youtube as a response, or at least a link in the comments! :)
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I'm still waiting for a full finished POW remix from Blob! That was awesome.
What's that remix? I haven't heard about it.
Prophets of Dance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCdedrXu1wI)
Wait, Blob made that? DAMN!
That's awesome!! Just commented on that video twice :)
once about it being AWESOME, and again about the performances I recognized :lol
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I'm still waiting for a full finished POW remix from Blob! That was awesome.
What's that remix? I haven't heard about it.
Prophets of Dance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCdedrXu1wI)
Wait, Blob made that? DAMN!
Check his channel if you haven't already, Blob's been busy with cool stuffs! :)
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Whoaa!!! I had no idea Blob was was the animator of some of the AWESOME DT videos I see all the time!! I LOVE YOUR WORK, Mr. Blob!! I was just recently praising this- youtube.com/watch?v=iUFNyJUDDaw (https://youtube.com/watch?v=iUFNyJUDDaw)
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You know what's REALLY awesome? Put Blob's iPod video back on, and listen to the music while watching this guy: :heybaby: It's mesmerizing...
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Makes me want to hear some other electro-DT.
Speaking of which, does anyone else suspect there will be more electronic music influence on DT12? There was hints of it on ADTOE (BMUBMD, Outcry, BAI), so there's a good chance we'll get more on DT12.
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You know what's REALLY awesome? Put Blob's iPod video back on, and listen to the music while watching this guy: :heybaby: It's mesmerizing...
:rollin :rollin
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You know what's REALLY awesome? Put Blob's iPod video back on, and listen to the music while watching this guy: :heybaby: It's mesmerizing...
:rollin :rollin
OMG IT IS
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You should see the animated orgy Blob made of all of us with the cast of Back To The Future. Computer generated Lea Thompson never walked the same after that night.
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I don´t want to hear any "electro" sounds by Jordan in DT12.
I only want to hear pure and unadulterated prog.
That`s all (I`m really old school minded).
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I don´t want to hear any "electro" sounds by Jordan in DT12.
I only want to hear pure and unadulterated prog.
That`s all (I`m really old school minded).
IMO what you want is the exact opposite of what prog is all about, which is chartering unfounded waters. That's just my opinion though, and I use prog with a lot of stuff others wouldn't deem as prog
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I don´t want to hear any "electro" sounds by Jordan in DT12.
I only want to hear pure and unadulterated prog.
That`s all (I`m really old school minded).
IMO opinion what you want is the exact opposite of what prog is all about, which is chartering unfounded waters. That's just my opinion though, and I use prog with a lot of stuff others wouldn't deem as prog
The "electro" thing may work for other bands, buy definitely not for DT.
Best DT works were without that element.
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I'm all for DT exploring new sounds, as long as they sound good, which I don't think electronic does. They can do whatever they want, but I think their music is better off without electro elements. It works for some bands, but I think it waters down DT's sound.
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Was it discussion of the song altogether that was banned, or was it simly the discussion of the political aspects? I know MP.com is very strict about keeping all political and religious discussion off the boards altogether, so it wouldn't surprise me. That is basically why we have the separate P/R forum nowadays. P/R discussion had been banned on the main part of the forum at DT.net, and rumborak and some others lobbied for a separate part of the forum where those ideas could be discussed freely without the rest of the forum devolving into political and/or religious debate, and Itchy eventually allowed it. It has continued to this day, but even know, we keep those kinds of discussions off the main forum.
I guess it was the discussion of the lyrics and the topic that was banned. You could say "man, that song rules" or talk about the music but that was basically it.
Of course, this was a while ago so I dont remember exactly.
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Makes me want to hear some other electro-DT.
Speaking of which, does anyone else suspect there will be more electronic music influence on DT12? There was hints of it on ADTOE (BMUBMD, Outcry, BAI), so there's a good chance we'll get more on DT12.
I don't know about that, but the Deluxe Edition of the album should include Electro-Remixes of all the songs. Haha.
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Makes me want to hear some other electro-DT.
Speaking of which, does anyone else suspect there will be more electronic music influence on DT12? There was hints of it on ADTOE (BMUBMD, Outcry, BAI), so there's a good chance we'll get more on DT12.
I don't know about that, but the Deluxe Edition of the album should include Electro-Remixes of all the songs. Haha.
I'm for that!
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The fact that I've become a pretty huge Dark Tranquillity fan over the last couple of months has really made me appreciate the metal + electronic stuff combination a lot more, so I really like these elements on ADTOE now. I think it's great that the band tries some new sounds, and although maybe not everyone likes it, exploring new stuff is, as Dark Castle said, what prog is all about.
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Slow news day, huh? :lol
I can't wait till we get a tracklist, so we can start guessing which song is the instrumental, who wrote the lyrics to what, and which song will have the tambourine solo.
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I want to know who's playing the sitar with the orchestra.
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Whoaa!!! I had no idea Blob was was the animator of some of the AWESOME DT videos I see all the time!! I LOVE YOUR WORK, Mr. Blob!! I was just recently praising this- youtube.com/watch?v=iUFNyJUDDaw (https://youtube.com/watch?v=iUFNyJUDDaw)
I was at that show! didn't know there was video of it.
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Hi everyone
My 1st post !
A DT fan since ages, been active a little at the MP.com
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Hi everyone
My 1st post !
A DT fan since ages, been active a little at the MP.com
If you've read any of this thread, and still decided to join in, you may just have what it takes. :lol
Welcome to the forum. :tup
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Hi everyone
My 1st post !
A DT fan since ages, been active a little at the MP.com
Thanks to your avatar, I already like you. Terria = [:metal :hefdaddy :omg:] x 1000000
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Hi everyone
My 1st post !
A DT fan since ages, been active a little at the MP.com
Welcome. Keep your arms and legs inside the ride at all times and...have fun!
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I've been listening to more DT recently. So when the new album comes out (or leaks :biggrin:) my body will be readier than ever. But seriously,I CAN NOT WAIT! *rips off shirt and starts growling*
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Hi everyone
My 1st post !
A DT fan since ages, been active a little at the MP.com
Welcome! The Moor, the merrier!
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Hi everyone
My 1st post !
A DT fan since ages, been active a little at the MP.com
Welcome, Kevin ;)! Enjoy your stay while you're here!
B.Lee
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I've been listening to more DT recently. So when the new album comes out (or leaks :biggrin:) my body will be readier than ever. But seriously,I CAN NOT WAIT! *rips off shirt and starts growling*
Beware the mods (rule 2b)
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Indeed. We've been pretty brutal on that one with past releases, so I'd be careful.
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I've been listening to more DT recently. So when the new album comes out (or leaks :biggrin:) my body will be readier than ever. But seriously,I CAN NOT WAIT! *rips off shirt and starts growling*
And for all of our sakes, put your shirt back on...
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I've been listening to more DT recently. So when the new album comes out (or leaks :biggrin:) my body will be readier than ever. But seriously,I CAN NOT WAIT! *rips off shirt and starts growling*
And for all of our sakes, put your shirt back on...
:rollin
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Thank you all for the warm welcome :biggrin:
I found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeBmYdOmMgA
which is kind of similar to the MIDI file shared previously in this topic.
Sounds interesting !
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeBmYdOmMgA just uploaded by someone. Fatal Tragedy's is much better, I think someone should put it on youtube as a response, or at least a link in the comments! :)
Last page.. Teehee
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Don't know if anyone here has thought of it, but someone on the MP forum posted the idea of releasing stems of the new album. Great idea.
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BEFORE the album is out ?
100% not gonna happen.
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No I mean released WITH the album (like BC&SL). Of course they wouldn't do it before the album.
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Well, seems a good idea for a Deluxe Edition. Of course it's not a content that would be aimed at the largest crowd.
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I got the three disc version of BC&SL. I haven't got the money to spend on a DVD edition of the album which includes all the stems.
i'll always get a "special edition" of an album which comes with a making of or whatever but something like a deluxe boxset costing upwards of £50..
No thanks...
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I got the 3CD set of BC&SL and the 2CD version of ADTOE. I'll probably buy the special edition (not the deluxe collector's edition) of the new album, but if the deluxe edition interests me enough then I might save up for it.
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https://twitter.com/chycki/status/345015447546122240
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Wow. The whole mix? Not possible, right? He surely talks about the new single.....!? :laugh:
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Wow. The whole mix? Not possible, right? He surely talks about the new single.....!? :laugh:
Looks more likely that he's talking about how much it takes to get each song completed. It seems fairly early still for the whole mixing to be done.
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Wow. The whole mix? Not possible, right? He surely talks about the new single.....!? :laugh:
Looks more likely that he's talking about how much it takes to get each song completed. It seems fairly early still for the whole mixing to be done.
Exactly what I was thinking!
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Yeah, that's per song. Knowing there are eight songs, plus YARGGG, plus Easter Egg, we're looking at the best part of a month.
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In the very least. I wonder will the single come out as soon as it's mixed or as soon as the full album is mixed?
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Let's see here.
I'd be surprised if Easter Egg ends up being something that would require a lot of time to mix, same with the intro track. A bit of an assumption on my part there, but I just don't see either of those being complex songs, if songs at all. I'd maybe even put those at a day or two for the pair.
I'd also expect the usual variety of track lengths, at least a couple of "single" length, which would also take less time to mix, maybe a day each.
Then the remaining tracks would probably be 2-3 days each.
"Best part of a month" is a great bet as far as vague definitions of timespans go. :lol
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It could be either way. Of course they will mix it first and release it right away if they feel that the most favourable moment promotion-wise to release it is before the scheduled time for the wrapping of the mixing process. If we follow the analogy with ADTOE, we are still two weeks away from the release of the new single, and I believe John and Richard will likely be done with their work by then.
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In the very least. I wonder will the single come out as soon as it's mixed or as soon as the full album is mixed?
As far as I recall, it's never come out before the whole album is entirely mixed/mastered (since they won't release the single until it's mastered, and it's all mastered at once).
Usually with DT they'll mix/master the whole thing, and then announce the tracklist very soon after that's done. The single isn't usually far behind that.
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OMG you guys, I just had to read 4 whole pages of comments :|
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As far as I recall, it's never come out before the whole album is entirely mixed/mastered (since they won't release the single until it's mastered, and it's all mastered at once).
Usually with DT they'll mix/master the whole thing, and then announce the tracklist very soon after that's done. The single isn't usually far behind that.
Wasn't OTBOA released before the track list, or even the album title last year?
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As far as I recall, it's never come out before the whole album is entirely mixed/mastered (since they won't release the single until it's mastered, and it's all mastered at once).
Usually with DT they'll mix/master the whole thing, and then announce the tracklist very soon after that's done. The single isn't usually far behind that.
Wasn't OTBOA released before the track list, or even the album title last year?
Nope!
Simultaneously with the album cover, and we had the title long before we had the cover.
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As far as I recall, it's never come out before the whole album is entirely mixed/mastered (since they won't release the single until it's mastered, and it's all mastered at once).
Usually with DT they'll mix/master the whole thing, and then announce the tracklist very soon after that's done. The single isn't usually far behind that.
Wasn't OTBOA released before the track list, or even the album title last year?
Nope. OTBOA released on June 26th, the tracklist was announced on June 7th I think (+- day or two).
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In the very least. I wonder will the single come out as soon as it's mixed or as soon as the full album is mixed?
Maybe they won't release a single for this album since it seems that they will not start touring until next year. Hope I'm wrong...really looking forward to this album!
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I don't think the tour and the single have much impact on one another. Could be wrong, but I reckon a single's pretty assured, at this point. It's marketing for the disc, not the gigs - and it is one of the very most effective ways of generating a buzz, and showing the potential buyers that they'll actually enjoy what they're gonna buy.
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What rob said. Singles are a mandatory promotional tool for an album, even for bands that don't tour at all. We'll get a single. We have to, otherwise we'd tear this place apart before the album comes out. :lol
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I'm opting for Bad Larry. I have a BMUBMD vibe for it :D
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I bet we'll get the tracklist when the mixing (and possibly mastering) is done and the single shortly after that.
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I bet we'll get the tracklist when the mixing (and possibly mastering) is done and the single shortly after that.
When do you think the mixing and mastering will be done? 2 weeks from now is my guess.
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I'm opting for Bad Larry. I have a BMUBMD vibe for it :D
Because it has the word "bad" in the title :neverusethis:
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You shush :p :-*
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:-*
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If I'm not mistaken, the pre-album single has been given out before mastering with an earlier DT album. Right? The only thing you have is that it could be a bit different than the album version in terms of the way it sinks in with the album, but in my mind it has been done before.
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I bet we'll get the tracklist when the mixing (and possibly mastering) is done and the single shortly after that.
When do you think the mixing and mastering will be done? 2 weeks from now is my guess.
I'd say that's a pretty good guess - the mastering won't take even half as much time as the mixing, and the mix is in progress, so 2 weeks is a likely timeframe.
I'm opting for Bad Larry. I have a BMUBMD vibe for it :D
Maybe this Larry is related to the Roy guy in AROP? I mean, AROP was the first single from BC&SL and it's not a good song :biggrin: I have a feeling "Bad Larry" will be better, though.
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I don't think the tour and the single have much impact on one another. Could be wrong, but I reckon a single's pretty assured, at this point. It's marketing for the disc, not the gigs - and it is one of the very most effective ways of generating a buzz, and showing the potential buyers that they'll actually enjoy what they're gonna buy.
Well, let's make a bet then shall we :) 100 DTF-points to the winner! You bet for a single released before the album, and I bet that there will be no single before the release of the album.
BTW, this is a bet I really hope I lose! ;D
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I've been listening to more DT recently. So when the new album comes out (or leaks :biggrin:) my body will be readier than ever. But seriously,I CAN NOT WAIT! *rips off shirt and starts growling*
And for all of our sakes, put your shirt back on...
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qz9DHDZflNs/UAbPMXamVyI/AAAAAAAAMc0/CmsRkyQTPsk/s1600/fabio-full-bike-shot-1994-web.jpg)
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I'm going to ignore the post above mine.
Anyways, a tracklist might come out within a couple of days, and a single will come out in a few weeks.
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I'm going to ignore the post above mine.
Anyways, a tracklist might come out within a couple of days, and a single will come out in a few weeks.
:metal :metal :metal
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I figure we'll get tracklist (and maybe times) by month's end, and a Single in July. Then after that, in the following weeks, maybe snippets again (one per week) til the release date? That would carry us through August and September.
-Marc.
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That's not far away!!! ::)
But I STILL CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I myself am thinking a track list sometime maybe early July and a single sometime around the end of July.
They seem to be really taking their time with this one, and I'm fine with that. I'd rather have better quality later than lesser quality sooner.
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I myself am thinking a track list sometime maybe early July and a single sometime around the end of July.
They seem to be really taking their time with this one, and I'm fine with that. I'd rather have better quality later than lesser quality sooner.
I would rather see the band release a song every few weeks and abandon the whole album thing. :lol
But really, I think we'll get a track list before July. I'm not expecting a single until July at the earliest and that's just dandy. I've been doing a run through of some older DT stuff to get the mind racing again. Needless to say, I'm really looking forward to this.
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I myself am thinking a track list sometime maybe early July and a single sometime around the end of July.
They seem to be really taking their time with this one, and I'm fine with that. I'd rather have better quality later than lesser quality sooner.
I would rather see the band release a song every few weeks and abandon the whole album thing. :lol
But really, I think we'll get a track list before July. I'm not expecting a single until July at the earliest and that's just dandy. I've been doing a run through of some older DT stuff to get the mind racing again. Needless to say, I'm really looking forward to this.
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I myself am thinking a track list sometime maybe early July and a single sometime around the end of July.
They seem to be really taking their time with this one, and I'm fine with that. I'd rather have better quality later than lesser quality sooner.
I would rather see the band release a song every few weeks and abandon the whole album thing. :lol
But really, I think we'll get a track list before July. I'm not expecting a single until July at the earliest and that's just dandy. I've been doing a run through of some older DT stuff to get the mind racing again. Needless to say, I'm really looking forward to this.
If we do, great! I'm not expecting it though. Whenever it comes out is fine with me. I have patience. :smiley:
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It's way too early (imo) to release anymore info. I hate how bands release stuff three months in advance. It's ridiculous. Just my 2 cents. ;)
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It's way too early (imo) to release anymore info. I hate how bands release stuff three months in advance. It's ridiculous. Just my 2 cents. ;)
How about Rush releasing two songs from Clockwork Angels two years before the album came out? :P
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It's way too early (imo) to release anymore info. I hate how bands release stuff three months in advance. It's ridiculous. Just my 2 cents. ;)
How about Rush releasing two songs from Clockwork Angels two years before the album came out? :P
That was incredibly lame of them. Sucks getting a new album and having to skip two tracks.
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There will be no tracklist until mid-August.
Cover will be released early September.
As for single, that won't happen for this album (and once the album is released, you'll know why).
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Not that that isn't interesting, but how do you know? Are you involved with the process or anything?
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There will definitely be a single. There is always a single. I have no idea why anyone would say otherwise.
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There will be no tracklist until mid-August.
Cover will be released early September.
As for single, that won't happen for this album (and once the album is released, you'll know why).
Quite bold predictions. Are you close to the band? :biggrin:
Not releasing would be silly, and against their Roadrunner contract isn't it? Pretty sure with Roadrunner they have to put out a single and video for each album.
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There will be no tracklist until mid-August.
Cover will be released early September.
As for single, that won't happen for this album (and once the album is released, you'll know why).
Quite bold predictions. Are you close to the band? :biggrin:
Not releasing would be silly, and against their Roadrunner contract isn't it? Pretty sure with Roadrunner they have to put out a single and video for each album.
This. I have learnt to ignore random predictions supposedly based on inside knowledge...
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There will be no tracklist until mid-August.
Cover will be released early September.
As for single, that won't happen for this album (and once the album is released, you'll know why).
If it's true, that's a very interesting statement :)
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There will be no tracklist until mid-August.
Cover will be released early September.
As for single, that won't happen for this album (and once the album is released, you'll know why).
If it's true, that's a very interesting statement :)
That could basically mean we are getting a concept album after all, if that statement is true.
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There will be no tracklist until mid-August.
Cover will be released early September.
As for single, that won't happen for this album (and once the album is released, you'll know why).
If it's true, that's a very interesting statement :)
That could basically mean we are getting a concept album after all, if that statement is true.
Which would be awesome :metal
My first guess was that this album has only 1 song, and therefore if you release a single, you release the album.
On second thought, I figured out how stupid I am.
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There will be no tracklist until mid-August.
Cover will be released early September.
As for single, that won't happen for this album (and once the album is released, you'll know why).
If it's true, that's a very interesting statement :)
That could basically mean we are getting a concept album after all, if that statement is true.
Which would be awesome :metal
My first guess was that this album has only 1 song, and therefore if you release a single, you release the album.
On second thought, I figured out how stupid I am.
Yeah!
A concept album FTW!
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A self titled concept album? Hmm... that doesn't seem to make sense in my brain.
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Wasnt Home released as a single from Scenes? That was 1999 wasnt it? Or was that not before the release date?? :huh:
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A self titled concept album? Hmm... that doesn't seem to make sense in my brain.
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I don't think the tour and the single have much impact on one another. Could be wrong, but I reckon a single's pretty assured, at this point. It's marketing for the disc, not the gigs - and it is one of the very most effective ways of generating a buzz, and showing the potential buyers that they'll actually enjoy what they're gonna buy.
Well, let's make a bet then shall we :) 100 DTF-points to the winner! You bet for a single released before the album, and I bet that there will be no single before the release of the album.
BTW, this is a bet I really hope I lose! ;D
100 DTF-points? You're on!
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I don't think the tour and the single have much impact on one another. Could be wrong, but I reckon a single's pretty assured, at this point. It's marketing for the disc, not the gigs - and it is one of the very most effective ways of generating a buzz, and showing the potential buyers that they'll actually enjoy what they're gonna buy.
Well, let's make a bet then shall we :) 100 DTF-points to the winner! You bet for a single released before the album, and I bet that there will be no single before the release of the album.
BTW, this is a bet I really hope I lose! ;D
100 DTF-points? You're on!
Chwick obviously has more DTF points than he knows what to do with!
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There will be no tracklist until mid-August.
Cover will be released early September.
As for single, that won't happen for this album (and once the album is released, you'll know why).
If it's true, that's a very interesting statement :)
It would be interesting indeed...but I doubt it's true
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A self titled concept album? Hmm... that doesn't seem to make sense in my brain.
It doesn`t sound weird to me.
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A self titled concept album? Hmm... that doesn't seem to make sense in my brain.
What if the subject matter of the album IS the band? Their hardships, their successes, their VERY SONGS...
Calling it now people, we're getting a song within a song on this album.
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A self titled concept album? Hmm... that doesn't seem to make sense in my brain.
What if the subject matter of the album IS the band? Their hardships, their successes, their VERY SONGS...
Calling it now people, we're getting a song within a song on this album.
Songception
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A self titled concept album? Hmm... that doesn't seem to make sense in my brain.
What if the subject matter of the album IS the band? Their hardships, their successes, their VERY SONGS...
Calling it now people, we're getting a song within a song on this album.
Hmmm... if it was a concept album ABOUT the band... then it might make sense in my brain.
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A self titled concept album? Hmm... that doesn't seem to make sense in my brain.
HolyHell's self titled debut appears to be a concept album.
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A self titled concept album? Hmm... that doesn't seem to make sense in my brain.
HolyHell's self titled debut appears to be a concept album.
Infinita Symphonia's self titled second album is a concept album also, and is quite good.
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There will definitely be a single. There is always a single. I have no idea why anyone would say otherwise.
Can we just sticky this as its own thread? I'm officially betting my entire post count right here and now that there will be a single before the album comes out.
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I'm sure there will be a single, but I don't really see them releasing it anytime this month. I'm sure they released OTBOA this early last time was because they were gonna do the summer festivals and they wanted to unveil a new song. (and so MM could play one of 'his' songs)
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There will definitely be a single. There is always a single. I have no idea why anyone would say otherwise.
Can we just sticky this as its own thread? I'm officially betting my entire post count right here and now that there will be a single before the album comes out.
Now I almost hope there isn't a single.
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I don't think it will be this month. If we're lucky we'll get a tracklist. The single will most likely be next month, if not maybe early August.
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What if the subject matter of the album IS the band? Their hardships, their successes, their VERY SONGS...
I think it'd be even cooler if it told another story, but the whole story was a metaphorical representation of what you stated.
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A self titled concept album? Hmm... that doesn't seem to make sense in my brain.
What if the subject matter of the album IS the band? Their hardships, their successes, their VERY SONGS...
Calling it now people, we're getting a song within a song on this album.
:rollin
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Single? Well DT was single for a while until they found Mike Mangini
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Single? Well DT was single for a while until they found Mike Mangini
:marriageanalogy:
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Single? Well DT was single for a while until they found Mike Mangini
:lol
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I don't think the tour and the single have much impact on one another. Could be wrong, but I reckon a single's pretty assured, at this point. It's marketing for the disc, not the gigs - and it is one of the very most effective ways of generating a buzz, and showing the potential buyers that they'll actually enjoy what they're gonna buy.
Well, let's make a bet then shall we :) 100 DTF-points to the winner! You bet for a single released before the album, and I bet that there will be no single before the release of the album.
BTW, this is a bet I really hope I lose! ;D
100 DTF-points? You're on!
Chwick obviously has more DTF points than he knows what to do with!
Well, I am the 1% of the richest 1% regarding DTF-points ;)
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Single? Well DT was single for a while until they found Mike Mangini
Some day I'll get married, and then get divorced. And then I'll get married again, and during my vows, I'll say, "I have finally found my Mike Mangini. I would like to, at this point, welcome you to the family."
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Just imagine Roadrunner anouncing this tracklist in some weeks:
Scene 1.
Scene 2.
Scene 3...
Not necessarily Metropolis Pt.3.
It can be about anything.
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Just imagine Roadrunner anouncing this tracklist in some weeks:
Scene 1.
Scene 2.
Scene 3...
Not necessarily Metropolis Pt.3.
It can be about anything.
Or better : The concept will be called "Extensions" and the tracks will be named as follows :
1. jpg
2. bmp
3. png
4. mp3
5. txt
6. pdf
7. doc
B.Lee
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Just imagine Roadrunner anouncing this tracklist in some weeks:
Scene 1.
Scene 2.
Scene 3...
Not necessarily Metropolis Pt.3.
It can be about anything.
Or better : The concept will be called "Extensions" and the tracks will be named as follows :
1. jpg
2. bmp
3. png
4. mp3
5. txt
6. pdf
7. doc
B.Lee
I didn`t explain myself well.
Every scene with a name, obviously.
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I'm sure there will be a single, but I don't really see them releasing it anytime this month. I'm sure they released OTBOA this early last time was because they were gonna do the summer festivals and they wanted to unveil a new song. (and so MM could play one of 'his' songs)
My thoughts exactly. I'd love a single to come out soon, but I don't think it will.
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Just imagine Roadrunner anouncing this tracklist in some weeks:
Scene 1.
Scene 2.
Scene 3...
Not necessarily Metropolis Pt.3.
It can be about anything.
Or better : The concept will be called "Extensions" and the tracks will be named as follows :
1. jpg
2. bmp
3. png
4. mp3
5. txt
6. pdf
7. doc
B.Lee
I didn`t explain myself well.
Every scene with a name, obviously.
I was just kidding ;). You knew that? Or did you?
B.Lee
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A self titled concept album? Hmm... that doesn't seem to make sense in my brain.
It doesn`t sound weird to me.
Well, OK.
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The concept will be called "Extensions" and will be named as follows :
1. jpg
2. bmp
3. png
4. mp3
5. txt
6. pdf
7. doc
B.Lee
That would be really awesome :lol
I guess mp3 is the single
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Just imagine Roadrunner anouncing this tracklist in some weeks:
Scene 1.
Scene 2.
Scene 3...
Not necessarily Metropolis Pt.3.
It can be about anything.
Or better : The concept will be called "Extensions" and the tracks will be named as follows :
1. jpg
2. bmp
3. png
4. mp3
5. txt
6. pdf
7. doc
B.Lee
Hey, this might explain the lack of keyboard solos - .mp3 and .jpg for example are so heavily compressed that the solos were lost in the process! On the other hand, .txt is so limited that you just can't put a keyboard solo there.
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The concept will be called "Extensions" and will be named as follows :
1. jpg
2. bmp
3. png
4. mp3
5. txt
6. pdf
7. doc
B.Lee
That would be really awesome :lol
I guess mp3 is the single
MP3 would sound a lot more like SC, and there would be growling (by the new Mike) and aspects of death/black metal.
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If it IS a concept album, it would lend credence to the idea that their opening track, written after the rest of the album, will be a sort of overture of sorts, containing themes and motifs used later in the album. Doing the overture/opening track at the end ensures that they know what's going on with the rest of the music and can dissect the rest of the tracks to pick parts for an overture.
Also, many of their instrumentals have also been parts of concepts; "Erotomania" in "A Mind Beside Itself" was a sort of overture, SFAM had 2 instrumentals one of which was an overture, and "Six Degrees" overture contained many themes used throughout the whole piece.
I think we're looking at a 9-song concept album with an overture and an instrumental somewhere in the middle. However, it'll be unlike their other albums in that not only is it a concept album but it also has a longer epic on it. It might be like if SFAM had an ACOS/8VM-like piece in the middle of it. Could be interesting, especially if "epic" in their working titles means a song around 20 minutes long, but I'd be more than happy if it was 10-15 minutes long, especially if this IS a concept album meant to be heard in its entirety, I wouldn't mind 9 songs of varying length between 2-15 minutes long, as long as most of them are relatively long.
-Marc.
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Why are people still thinking it's a concept album?! Because of some speculative comment by someone with no authority?
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It's fun to discuss about various ways this album can end up. And some of entries are hilarious so it's always fun to read them ;)
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If it IS a concept album, it would lend credence to the idea that their opening track, written after the rest of the album, will be a sort of overture of sorts, containing themes and motifs used later in the album. Doing the overture/opening track at the end ensures that they know what's going on with the rest of the music and can dissect the rest of the tracks to pick parts for an overture.
Also, many of their instrumentals have also been parts of concepts; "Erotomania" in "A Mind Beside Itself" was a sort of overture, SFAM had 2 instrumentals one of which was an overture, and "Six Degrees" overture contained many themes used throughout the whole piece.
I think we're looking at a 9-song concept album with an overture and an instrumental somewhere in the middle. However, it'll be unlike their other albums in that not only is it a concept album but it also has a longer epic on it. It might be like if SFAM had an ACOS/8VM-like piece in the middle of it. Could be interesting, especially if "epic" in their working titles means a song around 20 minutes long, but I'd be more than happy if it was 10-15 minutes long, especially if this IS a concept album meant to be heard in its entirety, I wouldn't mind 9 songs of varying length between 2-15 minutes long, as long as most of them are relatively long.
-Marc.
Completely agree. :clap:
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It's a concept about Kevin Moore. The final song on the album is titled "I'll Never Be Open Again".
:P
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Why are people still thinking it's a concept album?! Because of some speculative comment by someone with no authority?
I may have missed something but have they officially said it's not a concept album?
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It's a concept album about not being a concept album at all, and part of the concept is that none of the lyrics or music will be related at all.
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It's a concept album about not being a concept album at all, and part of the concept is that none of the lyrics or music will be related at all.
:splodetard:
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That would be completely awesome.
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It's a concept album about not being a concept album at all, and part of the concept is that none of the lyrics or music will be related at all.
:clap:
I think DedSurroun was parodying DT's DVD announcement in his post.
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It's a concept album about not being a concept album at all, and part of the concept is that none of the lyrics or music will be related at all.
I really hope this is true :lol
I'm also secretly hoping that either The Drowner of Huron or Get Back in Mah Car will be the Easter Egg!
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It's a concept album about not being a concept album at all, and part of the concept is that none of the lyrics or music will be related at all.
I really hope this is true :lol
Since I just described a regular album, I'd say it's pretty certain you'll get your wish. :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk
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Well, I am hoping for a regular album :biggrin:
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You and me both!
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I'd love for it be a thematic album, one that has recurring musical themes and similar lyrical topics from song to song.
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I don't think that "epic" will be 20+ minutes long. I guess it's more like BAI.
And I really doubt that the album is a concept album.
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I'd love for it be a thematic album, one that has recurring musical themes and similar lyrical topics from song to song.
WWRD? :tup
-Marc.
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Regular or not doesnt matter to me, I just hope they really have poured their souls and technical skills into the album, and are really proud of it. That everyone in the band have got their voices and concerns heard, compromises for the win!
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I'd like a looser concept album, not something with like different characters and rock-opera parts, but subtle. Like Tales.
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Well, I am hoping for a regular album :biggrin:
Well, I am hoping for an AWESOME album! :metal
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I'd like a looser concept album, not something with like different characters and rock-opera parts, but subtle. Like Tales.
Yeah, that's what I'm rooting for as well. A diversified album held together by a coherent theme both musical and lyrics. The ideal for me. :)
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I'd like a looser concept album, not something with like different characters and rock-opera parts, but subtle. Like Tales.
Yeah, that's what I'm rooting for as well. A diversified album held together by a coherent theme both musical and lyrics. The ideal for me. :)
Isn't that what we got with the last one? Every song represents some sort of a "dramatic" turn of events. Lol.
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I'd like a looser concept album, not something with like different characters and rock-opera parts, but subtle. Like Tales.
Yeah, that's what I'm rooting for as well. A diversified album held together by a coherent theme both musical and lyrics. The ideal for me. :)
Isn't that what we got with the last one? Every song represents some sort of a "dramatic" turn of events. Lol.
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I'd like a looser concept album, not something with like different characters and rock-opera parts, but subtle. Like Tales.
Yeah, that's what I'm rooting for as well. A diversified album held together by a coherent theme both musical and lyrics. The ideal for me. :)
Isn't that what we got with the last one? Every song represents some sort of a "dramatic" turn of events. Lol.
Yes, but it's not something that gets overused so quickly, being a very loose form of concept.
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Although to be fair, the majority of DT's albums, especially since Jordan joined, all had a loose concept at least. Six Degrees, Octavarium, Black Clouds all had a certain theme going. Even ToT to an extent, although the theme was more sonic and less lyrical.
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Something like Six Degrees disc 2 would be awesome, like a "mini" concept record that doesn't really tell a story or have lines that represent character dialog (those kinds of albums are cheesy), but is united by an overarching concept and several common themes anyway. I'm also thinking along the lines of dredg's "El Cielo"... something a little less than the full-blown rock opera prog metal is drenched with, but still a bit more than the usual "theme" albums DT do.
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Something like Six Degrees disc 2 would be awesome...
...that doesn't really tell a story or have lines that represent character dialog (those kinds of albums are cheesy)...
"I'm just a poor girl!"
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I would love something like Leprous did with Coal last month, where the songs are somehow connected musically that gives them a distinct sound, something that tells you "this songs belongs on this album and on no other album". Like DT did this back on TOT with the distinct "prog Metallica sound" and the "cold" sound of Awake.
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Something like Six Degrees disc 2 would be awesome, like a "mini" concept record that doesn't really tell a story or have lines that represent character dialog (those kinds of albums are cheesy), but is united by an overarching concept and several common themes anyway. I'm also thinking along the lines of dredg's "El Cielo"... something a little less than the full-blown rock opera prog metal is drenched with, but still a bit more than the usual "theme" albums DT do.
I really don't see what's so bad in story-based concept albums.
IMO, if you have a good plot, or even a basic story background, the album could turn out pretty good.
For example, Kamelot's "Silverthorn". I think it's great, and it's totally story-based.
Also, I don't think that SFAM's story is bad, unlike some of the members here.
I'm a fan of concept albums generally, and I really think that if DT12 turns out to be a concept, it would be great :)
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Something like Six Degrees disc 2 would be awesome...
...that doesn't really tell a story or have lines that represent character dialog (those kinds of albums are cheesy)...
"I'm just a poor girl!"
I need no sympathy
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Something like Six Degrees disc 2 would be awesome...
...that doesn't really tell a story or have lines that represent character dialog (those kinds of albums are cheesy)...
"I'm just a poor girl!"
I need no sympathy
SONOFABITCH
you beat me to it
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Something like Six Degrees disc 2 would be awesome...
...that doesn't really tell a story or have lines that represent character dialog (those kinds of albums are cheesy)...
"I'm just a poor girl!"
I need no sympathy
SONOFABITCH
you beat me to it
Well, easy come, easy go, right?
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Little Little
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high
Little Little
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Fixed.
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Fixed.
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Fixed.
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Well it doesn't really matter to me
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Something like Six Degrees disc 2 would be awesome, like a "mini" concept record that doesn't really tell a story or have lines that represent character dialog (those kinds of albums are cheesy), but is united by an overarching concept and several common themes anyway. I'm also thinking along the lines of dredg's "El Cielo"... something a little less than the full-blown rock opera prog metal is drenched with, but still a bit more than the usual "theme" albums DT do.
I really don't see what's so bad in story-based concept albums.
IMO, if you have a good plot, or even a basic story background, the album could turn out pretty good.
For example, Kamelot's "Silverthorn". I think it's great, and it's totally story-based.
Also, I don't think that SFAM's story is bad, unlike some of the members here.
I'm a fan of concept albums generally, and I really think that if DT12 turns out to be a concept, it would be great :)
Yea i wouldn't mind a full on concept album, i don't know why so many are against it? It dosen't have to be a full blown rock opera just be cause it's a concept album.
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high
Little Little
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Fixed.
No, that's not good enough. Need something smaller.
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high
Little Little
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Fixed.
No, that's not good enough. Need something smaller.
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Mama, I just killed a man. Put a gun against his head. Pulled my trigger, now he's dead...and then I pointed the gun at Victoria. You should have heard her cry. She closed her eyes and wished to be in a dream she could wake up from as danger loomed nearer. She envisioned a theater of dreams, where she could just walk out of this nightmare as if it was a bad movie. And just as the killer attempted to pull the trigger...
Find out what really happened on that fateful moonlight night in "Metropolis Pt. 3: Dream Theater".
"We planned this all along, this is why we called ourselves Dream Theater in the first place. It was in the making since the writing of Metropolis Pt. 1 began."
- John Petrucci
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Mama, I just killed a man. Put a gun against his head. Pulled my trigger, now he's dead...and then I pointed the gun at Victoria. You should have heard her cry. She closed her eyes and wished to be in a dream she could wake up from as danger loomed nearer. She envisioned a theater of dreams, where she could just walk out of this nightmare as if it was a bad movie. And just as the killer attempted to pull the trigger...
Find out what really happened on that fateful moonlight night in "Metropolis Pt. 3: Dream Theater".
"We planned this all along, this is why we called ourselves Dream Theater in the first place. It was in the making since the writing of Metropolis Pt. 1 began."
- John Petrucci
:clap: :clap: :clap:
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You ruined it.
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Nothing really matters to me.
(https://www.handpan.org/forum/images/smilies/shrug.gif)
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INVENTORY!
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It's a concept about Kevin Moore. The final song on the album is titled "I'll Never Be Open Again".
:P
Is it about how he's retired from prostitution?
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Nothing really matters to me.
(https://www.handpan.org/forum/images/smilies/shrug.gif)
:clap:
This thread is making my day.
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A self titled concept album? Hmm... that doesn't seem to make sense in my brain.
HolyHell's self titled debut appears to be a concept album.
Infinita Symphonia's self titled second album is a concept album also, and is quite good.
I guess I'm just thinking that the concept to the album should somehow be presented with a title. But, I guess if it's not a story and just a theme of sorts that drives the album... then it would work as self-titled. So, ok, I guess that would indeed make sense.
But, having said that, I don't think it will be a concept album though. ;D
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I doubt too that it's a concept album, and I have absofuckinglutely nothing to back up that statement with.
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:lol
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I doubt too that it's a concept album, and I have absofuckinglutely nothing to back up that statement with.
That's ok, because neither do the people that think it will be a concept album. :lol
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:tup
:lol
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I hope this new album is good and has some some instruments on it.
On second thought, maybe it doesn't need instruments?
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Yeah, it's gonna be a spoken word album done entirely by John Myung.
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It's going to be like John Cage's 4'33", but it will go for 75 minutes.
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I remember MP saying back in an interview last year that they'd discussed doing a concept album for DT11 before he left. Maybe they've resurrected the idea?
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I remember MP saying back in an interview last year that they'd discussed doing a concept album for DT11 before he left. Maybe they've resurrected the idea?
Yeah, I can understand totally that they might have abandoned the idea when they got MM as their new drummer, because I guess they just wanted to prove to the fans that they were the same band, and they didn't want to try anything unexpected or out of the ordinary with ADTOE. But, perhaps, they've chosen to do a concept album this time (unlikely because of s/t album, but we can still hope :P)
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I remember MP saying back in an interview last year that they'd discussed doing a concept album for DT11 before he left. Maybe they've resurrected the idea?
Yeah, he said that the setlist of the following tour would be the 12 Step Suite and the whole new concept album. But he also wanted to take an indefinite hiatus. ??? Anyway, as a '70s prog buff, I'm always looking forward to concept albums, in fact, I'll be slightly disappointed if one of the next two DT studio releases doesn't end up being one.
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INVENTORY!
ANALYSIS!
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I think if it was a concept album, we would have a title.
Are there any "self titled" concept albums out there?
Edit: I could see it having a loose concept though... but that's like almost every DT album.
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Wasnt Home released as a single from Scenes?
Yes, it was, and when creating the single edit, MP not only edited it for time, but also to remove the more obvious album spoilers.
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Are there any "self titled" concept albums out there?
Yes.
A self titled concept album? Hmm... that doesn't seem to make sense in my brain.
HolyHell's self titled debut appears to be a concept album.
Infinita Symphonia's self titled second album is a concept album also, and is quite good.
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I remember MP saying back in an interview last year that they'd discussed doing a concept album for DT11 before he left. Maybe they've resurrected the idea?
That`s what I`m talking about.
Never say never.
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I have absolutely nothing to base this on, but a gut feeling just tells me it won't be a concept album. Possibly an album with a "loose theme", but I can't see DT at this point doing a full-fledged concept album. Anything is possible, though!
I am very, very excited for this album. It seemed like DT has finally struck their balance with their new setup, especially after the "BALLS BALLS BALLS" idea that was brought to the forefront in their last couple of albums before MP's departure.
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I have absolutely nothing to base this on, but a gut feeling just tells me it won't be a concept album. Possibly an album with a "loose theme", but I can't see DT at this point doing a full-fledged concept album. Anything is possible, though!
I am very, very excited for this album. It seemed like DT has finally struck their balance with their new setup, especially after the "BALLS BALLS BALLS" idea that was brought to the forefront in their last couple of albums before MP's departure.
Ass and balls.
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Posterior and bullocks.
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Culo y...las bolas?
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Posterior and bullocks.
I remember making that joke! :D
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Posterior and bullocks.
I remember making that joke! :D
That was a fine moment indeed, good sir.
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INVENTORY!
ANALYSIS!
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Posterior and bullocks.
Mmm, Bullock's posterior. What? We're not talking about Sandra Bullock?
Seriously though, I always thought it was bollocks.
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It is when talking about testicles. Bullocks are cows :P
( so Julia Roberts )
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It is when talking about testicles. Bullocks are cows :P
( so Julia Roberts )
NEIGH.
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Julia Roberts is a cow - as in a bitch. :P
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Julia Roberts is a cow - as in a bitch. :P
Female dogs are bitches.
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Julia Roberts is a cow - as in a bitch. :P
Female dogs are bitches.
So Julia Roberts is Raw Dog?
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GOD WAR BACKWARDS LOL
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GOD WAR BACKWARDS LOL
It was on the God of War soundtrack, that title is intentional...
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GOD WAR BACKWARDS LOL
It was on the God of War soundtrack, that title is intentional...
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS-7f6l3OMMyIdY74Sy9K-jFnDOIjosUd1R3jOzsTYWjokrztjmIA)
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GOD WAR BACKWARDS LOL
It was on the God of War soundtrack, that title is intentional...
:omg:
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There will definitely be a single. There is always a single. I have no idea why anyone would say otherwise.
There's always a single.
Until there's not a single.
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GOD WAR BACKWARDS LOL
It was on the God of War soundtrack, that title is intentional...
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS-7f6l3OMMyIdY74Sy9K-jFnDOIjosUd1R3jOzsTYWjokrztjmIA)
Well, I just don't get why that comment was made.
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GOD WAR BACKWARDS LOL
It was on the God of War soundtrack, that title is intentional...
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS-7f6l3OMMyIdY74Sy9K-jFnDOIjosUd1R3jOzsTYWjokrztjmIA)
Well, I just don't get why that comment was made.
Neither do I, but my hypothesis is that that meme had to be used somewhere
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Loosen up. That's what makes this site great. We are all just as serious about DT but we all need a little levity.
Captain Obvious out!
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Yes, it was, and when creating the single edit, MP not only edited it for time, but also to remove the more obvious album spoilers.
That song was cut too far down IMO. It could have at least more intro in it, and made a minute longer.
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GOD WAR BACKWARDS LOL
It was on the God of War soundtrack, that title is intentional...
Is it wrong that I only just now got that? :|
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GOD WAR BACKWARDS LOL
It was on the God of War soundtrack, that title is intentional...
Is it wrong that I only just now got that? :|
You're definitely not alone. :|
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GOD WAR BACKWARDS LOL
It was on the God of War soundtrack, that title is intentional...
Is it wrong that I only just now got that? :|
Yes
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Loosen up. That's what makes this site great. We are all just as serious about DT but we all need a little levity.
Captain Obvious out!
Yes, jokes do exist on this forum ;)
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When the fuck is the next in studio video coming?!?!?!?!
I NEED MY FIX
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When the fuck is the next in studio video coming?!?!?!?!
I NEED MY FIX
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Raw dog = god war... My mind is blown. Also I almost died with laughter at the captain obvious pic :rollin...
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Raw dog = god war... My mind is blown. Also I almost died with laughter at the captain obvious pic :rollin...
When we start going all over Raw Dog, it can only mean we're running out of things to discuss/we're going extremely impatient.
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My version of Raw Dog abruptly cuts off at the end..
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My version of Raw Dog abruptly cuts off at the end..
Most people's versions do, because they all change the song before it finishes. :neverusethis:
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My version of Raw Dog abruptly cuts off at the end..
Raw Dog was trying to be Ytsejam (hidden backwards meaning) and Pull Me Under at the same time. Oh, how it failed.
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My version of Raw Dog abruptly cuts off at the end..
Raw Dog was trying to be Ytsejam (hidden backwards meaning) and Pull Me Under at the same time. Oh, how it failed.
title and abruptly cutting =/= trying to be either of those songs
its a side song made for a video game. people take it too seriously
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I enjoy Raw Dog.........
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it has its moments. i love when JP goes into tap mode in the solo
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I enjoy Raw Dog.........
:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:
:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:
no.....
No!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Yeah, I like it too.
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I like it very very much. Actually I think I love it.
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The fact that we're talking about fuckin Raw Dog on the DT12 thread really shows how bored we are without a tracklist...
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I mean it's not top 50 but it's not gut horrible
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Yea, I can stand Raw Dog every once in a while, usually when I feel like just listening to DT's B-sides.
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I actually do enjoy Raw Dog. There's only one part I don't like is the last 3 minutes or so. The middle section of the song is pretty awesome though.
Honestly, it reminds me of The Ytse Jam, but more heavy and modern-sounding.
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It's pretty unremarkable. Not bad, but to me it's nothing more than a song from a video game. I barely count it as a DT song. It's probably something they jammed out over a few nights at sound check. If it was on an actual album, I would definitely understand the hate, but considering its circumstances, its pretty much what I would expect.
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It still amazes me that people still think that "Raw Dog" was actually IN the video game. It's not IN the game, or FROM the game. the soundtrack that Roadrunner records put together.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_War:_Blood_%26_Metal#God_of_War:_Blood_.26_Metal
The God of War: Blood & Metal EP is a heavy metal homage by various bands on the Roadrunner Records label, and features original music inspired by the God of War video game series.
So it's only relation to the game is that it was released as an HOMAGE to it, not even really relating to the games' actual musical score, it's content or even story line (so far as I know).
-Marc.
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Well, when I see it on a God Of War album thing, not being someone who plays God of War, I can only assume that it's from the game. It's not like they make it obvious that it isn't in the game, quite the opposite in fact.
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I enjoy it, but it's far far far from being Ytsejam or Pull Me Under.
It still amazes me that people still think that "Raw Dog" was actually IN the video game. It's not IN the game, or FROM the game. the soundtrack that Roadrunner records put together.
Who said they actually thought it was IN the game? Above your post, I mean.
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I don't mind how Raw Dog starts, but it doesn't have lasting potential most of the time for me. I get bored quickly and usually skip it after the first couple of minutes.
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I enjoy it, but it's far far far from being Ytsejam or Pull Me Under.
It still amazes me that people still think that "Raw Dog" was actually IN the video game. It's not IN the game, or FROM the game. the soundtrack that Roadrunner records put together.
Who said they actually thought it was IN the game? Above your post, I mean.
It's pretty unremarkable. Not bad, but to me it's nothing more than a song from a video game. I barely count it as a DT song. It's probably something they jammed out over a few nights at sound check. If it was on an actual album, I would definitely understand the hate, but considering its circumstances, its pretty much what I would expect.
-Marc.
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So how about that new Dream Theater album?
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Well, when I see it on a God Of War album thing, not being someone who plays God of War, I can only assume that it's from the game. It's not like they make it obvious that it isn't in the game, quite the opposite in fact.
God of War's soundtrack consists of the most epic of orchestral music. No rock music.
Raw Dog (War God, come on people) is OK, but I never feel like listening to it. The fast middle section is the best part.
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So how about that new Dream Theater album?
I tried that a little while ago too, to no avail. :lol
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So how about that new Dream Theater album?
I tried that a little while ago too, to no avail. :lol
Damn. :lol Hopefully we'll have a tracklist within a couple of weeks, so then we have something to discuss to death until the single comes out.
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So how about that new Dream Theater album?
I tried that a little while ago too, to no avail. :lol
Damn. :lol Hopefully we'll have a tracklist within a couple of weeks, so then we have something to discuss to death until the single comes out.
Yes, a track list (and hopefully even artwork) could totally hold me over til September. :tup :metal
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It's pretty unremarkable. Not bad, but to me it's nothing more than a song from a video game. I barely count it as a DT song. It's probably something they jammed out over a few nights at sound check. If it was on an actual album, I would definitely understand the hate, but considering its circumstances, its pretty much what I would expect.
-Marc.
Okay, I guess. But I think the point was that Mosh felt like the song was quickly thrown together. Whether it was for a one-off 'mixtape' or for the actual game isn't really that relevant, is it? I mean, I know some bands that made music specifically for video games, and that music was actually in the video game, and I still consider it a part of their catalogue. Of course, in that case, the music was consistently good compared to the rest of their discography.
But yeah, for Raw Dog, while DT are no strangers to making instrumental tracks, the fact that it was all hyped like, "New DT song made for this God of War thing!" and they didn't even make an effort to do an actual song, with James laying down some vocals, did make it seem like they just quickly got it over and done with, and didn't really care too much about it. Unfortunately.
BUT YES! NEW ALBUM! WHOO! Personally, a tracklist and art work would NOT hold me over until September. I want that single, damn it!
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It is a solid track pretty much involved in the God of War theme, unlike the Throat of Winter which constitutes a solid ground for a legal action by the God of War guys against Mikael :lol
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JLB is releasing his first single tomorrow
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=191408
Which obviously will be used by some utubers saying: "new DT album leaked song"
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CRUCIFYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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GOD WAR BACKWARDS LOL
It was on the God of War soundtrack, that title is intentional...
Is it wrong that I only just now got that? :|
No, but it is wrong to admit it. Just do what I do, nod slowly in agreement and back out of the thread....
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So the first few tour dates have been added! :-D
https://www.dreamtheater.net/mobile/board_posts/dream-theater-2014-tour-dates-for-spain
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Starting in Europe in January, hopefully 2 UK dates :) could have started earlier though...
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I would have liked it betterhad they started in the US. You know, so that we don't get the tour start rust :D hopefully there will be a second leg somewhere in the summer!
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I would have liked it betterhad they started in the US. You know, so that we don't get the tour start rust :D hopefully there will be a second leg somewhere in the summer!
Maybe there'll be a North American leg in the fall before they come to Europe?
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I think that's unlikely, dates would have been announced/leaked before Europe.
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Yeah, it's very unlikely. But still it's not completely impossible for a November US leg to happen.
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For all we know, they're just announcing these dates first because they managed to book them in advance. Either way, doesn't matter to me. As long as they come to Toronto, (which I don't see why they wouldn't) I don't care when it happens. Actually, the later the better, gives me time to save up.
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I just hope they'll finally come to Croatia next year :-\
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I just hope they'll finally come to Croatia next year :-\
I have a feeling that they will touch the Balkans this time. It would be a logical path through southern Europe: Portugal > Spain > Italy > Austria/Hungary > Croatia/Serbia > Greece > Turkey > (maybe) Israel.
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I just hope they'll finally come to Croatia next year :-\
I have a feeling that they will touch the Balkans this time. It would be a logical path through southern Europe: Portugal > Spain > Italy > Austria/Hungary > Croatia/Serbia > Greece > Turkey > (maybe) Israel.
Hopefully :hefdaddy
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I just hope they'll finally come to Croatia next year :-\
I have a feeling that they will touch the Balkans this time. It would be a logical path through southern Europe: Portugal > Spain > Italy > Austria/Hungary > Croatia/Serbia > Greece > Turkey > (maybe) Israel.
I wish, but it doesn't seem likely. Really want to see a headlining show in Greece and not just them being part of a festival or something.
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JLB is releasing his first single tomorrow
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=191408
Which obviously will be used by some utubers saying: "new DT album leaked song"
NEW DT SONG AGONY COME INDONESIA WE MISS U PORTNY BEST DRUMMER IN HISTORY.
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LIEK SONG CRUFICY.....RESIT DNY PORENY DURM GOOD KONSERT........SOON....
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DT IS LOVE MUSIC. OUR HEARTS ARE READY iNDONESIA. DRUM PORNEY DRUM IS BEST !!!!!
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John Petrucci - "Mixes are doing great!"
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1005129_575993095786040_1761053309_n.jpg)
from facebook
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CRUCIFYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Oh, dear god - he does this deliberately, doesn't he?
AGONYYYYYYYYYYYY
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CRUCIFYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Oh, dear god - he does this deliberately, doesn't he?
AGONYYYYYYYYYYYY
i don;t get the ref.
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John Petrucci - "Mixes are doing great!"
from facebook
That's weird - I thought mixing was done. Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick !
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CRUCIFYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Oh, dear god - he does this deliberately, doesn't he?
AGONYYYYYYYYYYYY
i don;t get the ref.
Elements of Persuasion released three months before Octavarium, and people leaked tracks from it under the pretence that they were new Dream Theater songs, with the chorus to The Root of All Evil going "CRUCIFYYYYYYYYY."
The new one, which is being released shortly before any new DT material, is called Agony. So everyone'll be going "Oh, Reap the Harvest leaked. It goes, AGONYYYYYYYYY!!"
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Elements of Persuasion released three months before Octavarium, and people leaked tracks from it under the pretence that they were new Dream Theater songs, with the chorus to The Root of All Evil going "CRUCIFYYYYYYYYY."
According to Wikipedia, Mike Portnoy leaked the tracks relabeled as 8VM.
Confusion with Elements of Persuasion
Octavarium and James LaBrie's solo album Elements of Persuasion were both released in 2005 with fans awaiting both of them. When Ocavarium was leaked, Mike Portnoy took songs from Elements of Persuasion and put them onto the internet under the name "Octavarium". This lead to confusion among fans and many awkward situations such as a DJ playing the incorrect song at a wedding. Even this day, some fans are unaware that they have the wrong internet files.[22]
Sounds like a dick move if it's true.. but whatever.
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I can't imagine MP doing anything like that :neverusethis:
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I can't imagine MP doing anything like that :neverusethis:
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I can't imagine MP doing anything like that :neverusethis:
Nothing in the last two years would suggest that MP would do anything other than honourable !
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Who's gonna spread songs from James' new solo album as DT tracks on the Internet now that MP is gone? :neverusethis:
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Who's gonna spread songs from James' new solo album as DT tracks on the Internet now that MP is gone? :neverusethis:
But now that Mike Portnoy is gone, who's going to believe the screaming vocals?
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Who's gonna spread songs from James' new solo album as DT tracks on the Internet now that MP is gone? :neverusethis:
Mangini :neverusethis:
He is the genie in the band. He just twitches his nose in 137 / 947 time and LO !!!!! IT IS DONE !!!
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Confusion with Elements of Persuasion
Octavarium and James LaBrie's solo album Elements of Persuasion were both released in 2005 with fans awaiting both of them. When Ocavarium was leaked, Mike Portnoy took songs from Elements of Persuasion and put them onto the internet under the name "Octavarium". This lead to confusion among fans and many awkward situations such as a DJ playing the incorrect song at a wedding. Even this day, some fans are unaware that they have the wrong internet files.[22]
That's why I always buy DT CD's and not download the music. There were fake versions of 6DOIT songs going around before its release too.
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Who's gonna spread songs from James' new solo album as DT tracks on the Internet now that MP is gone? :neverusethis:
Mangini :neverusethis:
He is the genie in the band. He just twitches his nose in 137 / 947 time and LO !!!!! IT IS DONE !!!
Actually, it wasn't Genie that twitched her nose. It was Samantha the witch, in the series Bewitched.
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Elements of Persuasion released three months before Octavarium, and people leaked tracks from it under the pretence that they were new Dream Theater songs, with the chorus to The Root of All Evil going "CRUCIFYYYYYYYYY."
According to Wikipedia, Mike Portnoy leaked the tracks relabeled as 8VM.
Confusion with Elements of Persuasion
Octavarium and James LaBrie's solo album Elements of Persuasion were both released in 2005 with fans awaiting both of them. When Ocavarium was leaked, Mike Portnoy took songs from Elements of Persuasion and put them onto the internet under the name "Octavarium". This lead to confusion among fans and many awkward situations such as a DJ playing the incorrect song at a wedding. Even this day, some fans are unaware that they have the wrong internet files.[22]
Sounds like a dick move if it's true.. but whatever.
As ever, though, "if it's true" is the clincher. I'd bet money that that's bollocks. Its only citation is DT.wikia.com, which is itself a less reliable wiki than wikipedia, and it cites it to... nothing! No citation whatsoever.
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I didn't know that Mike did it, and we still actually don't know (unless he admitted it), but I don't consider it a dick move at all.
Elements of Persuasion was out, and Octavarium was not officially released yet. But everyone knew that it had leaked, so someone retagged EoP and sent it out there to specifically fuck with people who were after music that they're not supposed to have. People downloaded it off of Kazaa or Napster or whatever was around then, I don't remember. They heard James' voice, they were fooled. Good times.
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Who's gonna spread songs from James' new solo album as DT tracks on the Internet now that MP is gone? :neverusethis:
Mangini :neverusethis:
He is the genie in the band. He just twitches his nose in 137 / 947 time and LO !!!!! IT IS DONE !!!
Actually, it wasn't Genie that twitched her nose. It was Samantha the witch, in the series Bewitched.
:| It was a joke...
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Who's gonna spread songs from James' new solo album as DT tracks on the Internet now that MP is gone? :neverusethis:
Mangini :neverusethis:
He is the genie in the band. He just twitches his nose in 137 / 947 time and LO !!!!! IT IS DONE !!!
Actually, it wasn't Genie that twitched her nose. It was Samantha the witch, in the series Bewitched.
:facepalm:
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I didn't know that Mike did it, and we still actually don't know (unless he admitted it), but I don't consider it a dick move at all.
Elements of Persuasion was out, and Octavarium was not officially released yet. But everyone knew that it had leaked, so someone retagged EoP and sent it out there to specifically fuck with people who were after music that they're not supposed to have. People downloaded it off of Kazaa or Napster or whatever was around then, I don't remember. They heard James' voice, they were fooled. Good times.
The truly sad part is that people couldn't tell the difference between DT and Labrie's band. ::) :huh: :facepalm:
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I didn't know that Mike did it, and we still actually don't know (unless he admitted it), but I don't consider it a dick move at all.
Elements of Persuasion was out, and Octavarium was not officially released yet. But everyone knew that it had leaked, so someone retagged EoP and sent it out there to specifically fuck with people who were after music that they're not supposed to have. People downloaded it off of Kazaa or Napster or whatever was around then, I don't remember. They heard James' voice, they were fooled. Good times.
This sounds pretty clever actually. If it's true, :tup to MP
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Confusion with Elements of Persuasion
Octavarium and James LaBrie's solo album Elements of Persuasion were both released in 2005 with fans awaiting both of them. When Ocavarium was leaked, Mike Portnoy took songs from Elements of Persuasion and put them onto the internet under the name "Octavarium". This lead to confusion among fans and many awkward situations such as a DJ playing the incorrect song at a wedding. Even this day, some fans are unaware that they have the wrong internet files.[22]
That's why I always buy DT CD's and not download the music. There were fake versions of 6DOIT songs going around before its release too.
This. There aren't many contemporary bands for whom I have the entire discography on physical media, but Dream Theater is one of them. And I'll be buying the new one, and trying to remain spoiler-free until then.
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I didn't know that Mike did it, and we still actually don't know (unless he admitted it), but I don't consider it a dick move at all.
Elements of Persuasion was out, and Octavarium was not officially released yet. But everyone knew that it had leaked, so someone retagged EoP and sent it out there to specifically fuck with people who were after music that they're not supposed to have. People downloaded it off of Kazaa or Napster or whatever was around then, I don't remember. They heard James' voice, they were fooled. Good times.
The truly sad part is that people couldn't tell the difference between DT and Labrie's band. ::) :huh: :facepalm:
I don't think it was a dick move either, I think it was rather clever and I'd like to see someone do that this year too :lol
And yeah, it's pretty weird how they mistook it for DT. Okay, there's James, and Marco Sfogli maybe sounds a teensy bit like Petrucci, and only if you're not paying attention, but how they couldn't notice the difference in compositional departments and all the other performances is beyond me.
I guess DT was way more unpredictable back then, so that involved people believing they had the possibility of not sounding like themselves.
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I'm sure that that was part of it. Consider that Train of Thought was the album right before. It was a deliberate step towards more straight-on rock and roll. It is generally considered the "most metal, least progressive" album in DT's catalogue. It wouldn't have been too much of a stretch to think that James' album, which is even closer to mainstream, could have followed it, if DT were proceeding in that direction.
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Elements of Persuasion released three months before Octavarium, and people leaked tracks from it under the pretence that they were new Dream Theater songs, with the chorus to The Root of All Evil going "CRUCIFYYYYYYYYY."
According to Wikipedia, Mike Portnoy leaked the tracks relabeled as 8VM.
Confusion with Elements of Persuasion
Octavarium and James LaBrie's solo album Elements of Persuasion were both released in 2005 with fans awaiting both of them. When Ocavarium was leaked, Mike Portnoy took songs from Elements of Persuasion and put them onto the internet under the name "Octavarium". This lead to confusion among fans and many awkward situations such as a DJ playing the incorrect song at a wedding. Even this day, some fans are unaware that they have the wrong internet files.[22]
Sounds like a dick move if it's true.. but whatever.
As ever, though, "if it's true" is the clincher. I'd bet money that that's bollocks. Its only citation is DT.wikia.com, which is itself a less reliable wiki than wikipedia, and it cites it to... nothing! No citation whatsoever.
I did the exact same thing and checked the citations as well. :lol And yeah, sounds like nonsense to me.
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Elements of Persuasion released three months before Octavarium, and people leaked tracks from it under the pretence that they were new Dream Theater songs, with the chorus to The Root of All Evil going "CRUCIFYYYYYYYYY."
According to Wikipedia, Mike Portnoy leaked the tracks relabeled as 8VM.
Confusion with Elements of Persuasion
Octavarium and James LaBrie's solo album Elements of Persuasion were both released in 2005 with fans awaiting both of them. When Ocavarium was leaked, Mike Portnoy took songs from Elements of Persuasion and put them onto the internet under the name "Octavarium". This lead to confusion among fans and many awkward situations such as a DJ playing the incorrect song at a wedding. Even this day, some fans are unaware that they have the wrong internet files.[22]
Sounds like a dick move if it's true.. but whatever.
As ever, though, "if it's true" is the clincher. I'd bet money that that's bollocks. Its only citation is DT.wikia.com, which is itself a less reliable wiki than wikipedia, and it cites it to... nothing! No citation whatsoever.
I did the exact same thing and checked the citations as well. :lol And yeah, sounds like nonsense to me.
If the search function worked at all at mp.com, a search of that forum might be worthwhile. I know that MP released FII demo tracks labeled as other songs at one point, but I can't recall if he ever commented on the EOP clips.
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Elements of Persuasion released three months before Octavarium, and people leaked tracks from it under the pretence that they were new Dream Theater songs, with the chorus to The Root of All Evil going "CRUCIFYYYYYYYYY."
According to Wikipedia, Mike Portnoy leaked the tracks relabeled as 8VM.
Confusion with Elements of Persuasion
Octavarium and James LaBrie's solo album Elements of Persuasion were both released in 2005 with fans awaiting both of them. When Ocavarium was leaked, Mike Portnoy took songs from Elements of Persuasion and put them onto the internet under the name "Octavarium". This lead to confusion among fans and many awkward situations such as a DJ playing the incorrect song at a wedding. Even this day, some fans are unaware that they have the wrong internet files.[22]
Sounds like a dick move if it's true.. but whatever.
As ever, though, "if it's true" is the clincher. I'd bet money that that's bollocks. Its only citation is DT.wikia.com, which is itself a less reliable wiki than wikipedia, and it cites it to... nothing! No citation whatsoever.
I did the exact same thing and checked the citations as well. :lol And yeah, sounds like nonsense to me.
If the search function worked at all at mp.com, a search of that forum might be worthwhile. I know that MP released FII demo tracks labeled as other songs at one point, but I can't recall if he ever commented on the EOP clips.
Don't go over there! It's too dangerous!!!
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I predict the second episode of "DT in the Studio" to be released on Thursday. The first one was released on Thursday the 6th and DT are consistent with days when it comes to releasing promo material periodically. Also, how late can they be with the second episode anyway? Since the tracklist, artwork and single are not coming any day soon we really need the fix.
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Maybe they'll release the tracklist in the video?
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Maybe they'll release the tracklist in the video?
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Maybe they'll release the tracklist in the video?
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Nah, I don't see that happening. These videos are more like a "backstage/making of" kind of thing like "the making of SC". I really doubt the second episode will be more of an announcement.
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Nah, I don't see that happening. These videos are more like a "backstage/making of" kind of thing like "the making of SC". I really doubt the second episode will be more of an announcement.
I was thinking more of a reveal than an announcement.
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Maybe they will tease us as to when they will reveal the announcement.
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Maybe they will tease us as to when they will reveal the announcement.
:o
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I can near guarantee 100% that this isn't real, but here's something to listen to:
Took the link out for rules.
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I'd remove that link. Forum rules and all that jazz.
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I love one of the comments: this isn't real because the guitar doesn't sound like chocolate cake. :lol
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Well, that's the only definite clue we have on what the album is going to sound like, isn't it? :D
Actually, this guy posted another song earlier on claiming it to be a leaked song. The picture was the same but in black and white, being that the purple press release was still to come. And the song sounded nothing like this one (which is better).
Anyway, the song is not bad, this guy may be a fraud, but if the song is his doing at least he's quite a musically skilled fraud. :D
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Well, that's the only definite clue we have on what the album is going to sound like, isn't it? :D
Actually, this guy posted another song earlier on claiming it to be a leaked song. The picture was the same but in black and white, being that the purple press release was still to come. And the song sounded nothing like this one (which is better).
Anyway, the song is not bad, this guy may be a fraud, but if the song is his doing at least he's quite a musically skilled fraud. :D
Well, if the song turns out to be true (The Clover?) I'll be in quite a bit of trouble :neverusethis:
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It's not :D Two weeks ago the guy posted another instrumental song (that now has been removed), which was completely different from this one. And there's only one instrumental on DTDT.
Plus, it's funny that people claiming to have a leaked album always fail to post a song with vocals. I just wonder why :loser:
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Yeah, that's somebody's take on Home. Definitely not DT.
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I remember some guy posting Slightly Out Of Reach on YouTube claiming it was a track from ADTOE. That was actually the first time I'd heard it, so I've gotta thank that guy.
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I remember that epic claimed leak that turned out to be a medley between a JR song from his 2004 solo album and Venice Burning from JLB's Mullmuzzler 2. The result was extremely cool!
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LOL Home 2.0
"Shiiiiiiiiine - lake of fiiiiyuuuaa"
Hmmm...actually fits!
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I really liked that song, even though it doesn't sound exactly like DT. And considering the same Youtube channel uploaded this video of a DT-inspired song made in ProTools (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdMDX6KFJTw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdMDX6KFJTw)) it's highly unlikely there's any validity to the "leaked" DT song. Both of these are really cool though. I hope this guy forms a band.
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Has any DT music been leaked this early? Usually for bands, I see leaked thing a week or so ahead of the release date. I'm not too confident that this is legitimate.
That being said, there are some cool ideas in there.
Edit: Actually a good way to test this: just send a link to Jordan on YouTube or Twitter or something. If it's not real, there's a good chance he'll say so. He's said stuff like that in the past.
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Well considering the album hasn't even been mixed yet, I'd say it's pretty unlikely it will leak anytime soon!
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That is also a good point. :lol
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Has any DT music been leaked this early? Usually for bands, I see leaked thing a week or so ahead of the release date.
Usually music doesn't leak til after mixing and mastering. One exception that I know of are the b-sides to System of a Down's Toxicity album, which later were reworked and rerecorded for Steal This Album! (with the title being a reference to those who leaked it)
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Has any DT music been leaked this early? Usually for bands, I see leaked thing a week or so ahead of the release date.
Usually music doesn't leak til after mixing and mastering. One exception that I know of are the b-sides to System of a Down's Toxicity album, which later were reworked and rerecorded for Steal This Album! (with the title being a reference to those who leaked it)
On the other hand, this "leaked song" sounds pretty un-mixed.
So everything is possible :) (Altough personally I believe it's a fake).
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Deleted: *rules are rules*
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I can near guarantee 100% that this isn't real, but here's something to listen to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wAstB0N9Q
LOL Home 2.0
Sounds like Myrath covering Home.
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Yeah, it's very unlikely. But still it's not completely impossible for a November US leg to happen.
I can't remember who said it, but I do remember some member of the band said they would be taking the rest of this year off after the release of the S/T.
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Really? I read that they were taking summer off but saw nothing about taking a year off. That's very strange.
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They wouldn't be taking the whole year off, I mean, both the album and Live at Luna Park are coming up. But you might be right, I might have misread/misheard and it could be the summer and not the rest of the year. I'll have to see where I heard or read it.
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Maybe we're talking about the same thing. I thought you meant they were taking 2014 off. I think it was Rudess who said that they were gonna take the summer off when asked if they were gonna hit the festivals like in 2011.
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No, I meant the rest of this year, 2013 :lol But I can't remember, for the sake of me, who was it who said it. Perhaps it was Rudess, LaBrie or Mangini.
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Ah that explains it. Yea, I just heard summer. Though it would make sense for them to take 2013 off and start the tour next year.
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Can I remind everyone of the rules. If you discusss a DT leak, or even hint that one exists, you will be banned. So I suggest you simply stop talking about it now and make things easier for everyone.
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Can I remind everyone of the rules. If you discusss a DT leak, or even hint that one exists, you will be banned. So I suggest you simply stop talking about it now and make things easier for everyone.
Quick question: Does that rule only apply to DT leaks? Or all music leaks in general??
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I think it also includes oil leaks.
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I'm sure the interview that you guys are referring to was with JP. In it he said that they were definitely taking the summer off, and probably the autumn - but that was not confirmed.
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I can near guarantee 100% that this isn't real, but here's something to listen to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wAstB0N9Q
LOL Home 2.0
Sounds like Myrath covering Home.
I very much doubt that it's legit, but it's very cool nevertheless.
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I can near guarantee 100% that this isn't real, but here's something to listen to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wAstB0N9Q
LOL Home 2.0
Sounds like Myrath covering Home.
I very much doubt that it's legit, but it's very cool nevertheless.
Didn't you read Ariich's warning above?
B.Lee
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Can I remind everyone of the rules. If you discusss a DT leak, or even hint that one exists, you will be banned. So I suggest you simply stop talking about it now and make things easier for everyone.
Quick question: Does that rule only apply to DT leaks? Or all music leaks in general??
Broadly it applies to all leaks, certainly when it comes to linking or hinting at where a leak could be found. But with DT we take a firmer line, as this is DTF, so even discussion of the music itself is not allowed until the album is released.
Obviously that doesn't include discussion of any samples/snippets/singles that are officially released.
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in before all of the ban-hammers! :yarr
"Mixes are going great!"
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1005129_575993095786040_1761053309_n.jpg)
edit: wow someone already posted that from 2 pages ago. I should have know DTF....
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I was the first one who said it, but I promptly took it out of the post, and now people are just quoting it :\
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Elements of Persuasion released three months before Octavarium, and people leaked tracks from it under the pretence that they were new Dream Theater songs, with the chorus to The Root of All Evil going "CRUCIFYYYYYYYYY."
According to Wikipedia, Mike Portnoy leaked the tracks relabeled as 8VM.
Confusion with Elements of Persuasion
Octavarium and James LaBrie's solo album Elements of Persuasion were both released in 2005 with fans awaiting both of them. When Ocavarium was leaked, Mike Portnoy took songs from Elements of Persuasion and put them onto the internet under the name "Octavarium". This lead to confusion among fans and many awkward situations such as a DJ playing the incorrect song at a wedding. Even this day, some fans are unaware that they have the wrong internet files.[22]
Sounds like a dick move if it's true.. but whatever.
As ever, though, "if it's true" is the clincher. I'd bet money that that's bollocks. Its only citation is DT.wikia.com, which is itself a less reliable wiki than wikipedia, and it cites it to... nothing! No citation whatsoever.
I did the exact same thing and checked the citations as well. :lol And yeah, sounds like nonsense to me.
lol Britfail
Guys, this actually happened. As longtimers, I am surprised you don't remember this.
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I'm sure that that was part of it. Consider that Train of Thought was the album right before. It was a deliberate step towards more straight-on rock and roll. It is generally considered the "most metal, least progressive" album in DT's catalogue. It wouldn't have been too much of a stretch to think that James' album, which is even closer to mainstream, could have followed it, if DT were proceeding in that direction.
Yeah, I guess this was the case. However, I'm surprised that (apparently) people didn't pay attention to the fact that none of the titles appeared in the lyrics of the songs.
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I'm sure that that was part of it. Consider that Train of Thought was the album right before. It was a deliberate step towards more straight-on rock and roll. It is generally considered the "most metal, least progressive" album in DT's catalogue. It wouldn't have been too much of a stretch to think that James' album, which is even closer to mainstream, could have followed it, if DT were proceeding in that direction.
Yeah, I guess this was the case. However, I'm surprised that (apparently) people didn't pay attention to the fact that none of the titles appeared in the lyrics of the songs.
The only people I recall falling for it were noobs gullible enough to believe it was real based on it being labeled as Octavarium, not recognizing the songs, and hearing JLB's voice. I don't recall any regulars falling for it, as it was well known that EoP was being substituted as a leak anyway.
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I did not fall for it. But I certainly laughed my ass off.
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I'm sure that that was part of it. Consider that Train of Thought was the album right before. It was a deliberate step towards more straight-on rock and roll. It is generally considered the "most metal, least progressive" album in DT's catalogue. It wouldn't have been too much of a stretch to think that James' album, which is even closer to mainstream, could have followed it, if DT were proceeding in that direction.
Yeah, I guess this was the case. However, I'm surprised that (apparently) people didn't pay attention to the fact that none of the titles appeared in the lyrics of the songs.
The only people I recall falling for it were noobs gullible enough to believe it was real based on it being labeled as Octavarium, not recognizing the songs, and hearing JLB's voice. I don't recall any regulars falling for it, as it was well known that EoP was being substituted as a leak anyway.
Well, I can still imagine some people falling for it :lol
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I'm sure that that was part of it. Consider that Train of Thought was the album right before. It was a deliberate step towards more straight-on rock and roll. It is generally considered the "most metal, least progressive" album in DT's catalogue. It wouldn't have been too much of a stretch to think that James' album, which is even closer to mainstream, could have followed it, if DT were proceeding in that direction.
Yeah, I guess this was the case. However, I'm surprised that (apparently) people didn't pay attention to the fact that none of the titles appeared in the lyrics of the songs.
The only people I recall falling for it were noobs gullible enough to believe it was real based on it being labeled as Octavarium, not recognizing the songs, and hearing JLB's voice. I don't recall any regulars falling for it, as it was well known that EoP was being substituted as a leak anyway.
Well, I can still imagine some people falling for it :lol
Oh plenty of people fell for it, but I don't think any of them were the brightest folk. :biggrin:
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lol Britfail
Guys, this actually happened. As longtimers, I am surprised you don't remember this.
Citation needed.
I remember the fake leak, obviously. I never saw anything about MP allegedly being the perpetrator though, either then or since. Happy to be proven wrong if you have a link to any evidence though!
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lol Britfail
Guys, this actually happened. As longtimers, I am surprised you don't remember this.
Citation needed.
I remember the fake leak, obviously. I never saw anything about MP allegedly being the perpetrator though, either then or since. Happy to be proven wrong if you have a link to any evidence though!
I don't have a "citation" but I remember reading an interview where he confessed to it.
I don't have time to search for a citation. But I remember it.
Now watch me be proved wrong. All my memories will be LIES!
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I'd be the first person to link to an ancient intie, except I don't spend much time reading MP's inties :biggrin:
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I'm with hef. I remember it happening.
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Mark me down as another that remembers MP saying he was behind it.
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Now watch me be proved wrong. All my memories will be LIES!
I feel ya man, it's the curse of getting old...
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If anyone can fake DT this successfully I will forever be their whore.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I remember it happening of course. I just don't remember hearing anything about it being Mike who did it.
I wasn't fooled, but I remember that many were. I was gonna comment on the possible correlation between intelligence (people dumb enough to be fooled) and morality (people who download leaked music) but realized that I had to invoke my Fifth Amendment right instead.
I still miss that flute solo at the end. I thought that was a beautiful and sublime way to end the piece.
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Has anyone already heard the new JLB?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqOHNPdh1Pw&feature=player_embedded
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Has anyone already heard the new JLB?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqOHNPdh1Pw&feature=player_embedded
Yes https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=15200.msg1597377#new
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Has anyone already heard the new JLB?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqOHNPdh1Pw&feature=player_embedded
Yes https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=15200.msg1597377#new
Oh, sorry, didn't see it :)
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Can I remind everyone of the rules. If you discusss a DT leak, or even hint that one exists, you will be banned. So I suggest you simply stop talking about it now and make things easier for everyone.
Quick question: Does that rule only apply to DT leaks? Or all music leaks in general??
Broadly it applies to all leaks, certainly when it comes to linking or hinting at where a leak could be found. But with DT we take a firmer line, as this is DTF, so even discussion of the music itself is not allowed until the album is released.
Obviously that doesn't include discussion of any samples/snippets/singles that are officially released.
Got it! :tup
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From RR Facebook page:
"Hey guys - be sure to check this page tomorrow. We've got an announcement coming!!"
Think it's DT related?
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From RR Facebook page:
"Hey guys - be sure to check this page tomorrow. We've got an announcement coming!!"
Think it's DT related?
Not completely confident that it is, but it's pretty likely.
No one kill me for believing in the possibility that there might be a small chance that perhaps Dream Theater might announce the possibility of maybe releasing a date as to when a single comes out
But MUCH more likely we hear the tracklist, after all, Impermanent Resonance's tracklist came out a couple of days ago.
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I'm not expecting it to be DT related *quite* yet, so if it turns out it is, I'll just have to be pleasantly surprised!
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From RR Facebook page:
"Hey guys - be sure to check this page tomorrow. We've got an announcement coming!!"
Think it's DT related?
I certainly hope so.
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lol Britfail
Guys, this actually happened. As longtimers, I am surprised you don't remember this.
Citation needed.
I remember the fake leak, obviously. I never saw anything about MP allegedly being the perpetrator though, either then or since. Happy to be proven wrong if you have a link to any evidence though!
I don't have a "citation" but I remember reading an interview where he confessed to it.
I don't have time to search for a citation. But I remember it.
Now watch me be proved wrong. All my memories will be LIES!
I certainly remember people saying Mike Portnoy leaked it, but... I've never been sure if it's something that actually happened, or a rumour that got out of hand. I remember hearing it, but I don't remember hearing that it was true. I'm sure he must've posted something on his message board, if it is. I might look there. But! Later.
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I'm not expecting it to be DT related *quite* yet, so if it turns out it is, I'll just have to be pleasantly surprised!
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To me, DT12 will be an attempt to recreate some kind of SFAM-SDOIT atmosphere.
I never had a higher expectation for a DT album than I have for this one.
Mangini is the key factor for my hype.
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lol Britfail
Guys, this actually happened. As longtimers, I am surprised you don't remember this.
Citation needed.
I remember the fake leak, obviously. I never saw anything about MP allegedly being the perpetrator though, either then or since. Happy to be proven wrong if you have a link to any evidence though!
I don't have a "citation" but I remember reading an interview where he confessed to it.
I don't have time to search for a citation. But I remember it.
Now watch me be proved wrong. All my memories will be LIES!
I certainly remember people saying Mike Portnoy leaked it, but... I've never been sure if it's something that actually happened, or a rumour that got out of hand. I remember hearing it, but I don't remember hearing that it was true. I'm sure he must've posted something on his message board, if it is. I might look there. But! Later.
If you or anyone else does find a post from MP, or a news article or something, then do post it as I'd be interested to see. For now I'll keep it in the "rumour" category, personally.
And yeah, it would be great if there's a DT announcement today, but RR have a LOT of bands, so it may well not.
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I think this has to do with the announcement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibY-1eeo3Nk
Unfortunately I don't think it's DT. That video was released less than an hour ago.
Sounds pretty cool though.
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All of Stone Sour's songs blur into one after a while.
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:(
I had already become really excited again.
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I kind of doubt that a single song video would end up being an "announcement". Nothing else came with the video. Roadrunner did post the video on their facebook, but this song isn't even new. (the album was released in April.)
So I don't think that was the announcement.
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Maybe I'm the one hoping for that, but I really wish they could make better crafted lyrics this time around.
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Studio gallery https://dreamtheater.net/board_posts/dream-theater-in-the-studio-2013/photos (https://dreamtheater.net/board_posts/dream-theater-in-the-studio-2013/photos)
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I can't get the big images to load, I just get an error. :( One of them looks like a promo shot that I wanted to see.
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Seems the whole site is overloaded!
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There will be additional photos added today shortly :metal
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I only managed to get this photo. Labrie seems very sad :-[
(https://i.imgur.com/rJlH7ip.jpg)
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Or just very focused.
FOCUS HERE FOCUS THERE
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I only managed to get this photo. Labrie seems very sad :-[
He looks like he's listening intently to his vocals, or other music on DT12.
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(https://i.imgur.com/rJlH7ip.jpg)
JLB - Come on guys, let me play some tambourine. I want to be part of the instrumental tooooooo!
JP - Hey, I think there's a Starbucks down the road. While you're there....
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(https://i.imgur.com/rJlH7ip.jpg)
JLB - Come on guys, let me play some tambourine. I want to be part of the instrumental tooooooo!
JP - Hey, I think there's a Starbucks down the road. While you're there....
:lol
I love the promo shot but I can't zoom in on it.
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They could upload the actual cover or a photo with the tracklist. I'm not asking for that much.
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(https://i.imgur.com/rJlH7ip.jpg)
JLB - Come on guys, let me play some tambourine. I want to be part of the instrumental tooooooo!
JP - Hey, I think there's a Starbucks down the road. While you're there....
Looks as if he fell asleep standing up... He's a workhorse! :neverusethis:
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Here you go guys! ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/zacd5cS.jpg)
EDIT: Is that a Myung smile? :o
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I do believe it is indeed a smile. Bizarro Dream Theater!
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All the images are now available. Refresh to see more!
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Thanks Wey for the pics!
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(https://s21.postimg.org/78qfemns7/lolzor.png)
Bad photo skills (Paint), but you get the idea.
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(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12_studio_01.jpg)
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Man, JP needs to do something about that skullet . . .
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Sorry about the speech bubble ::)
(https://i.imgur.com/aZeNyjE.jpg)
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(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12_studio_01.jpg)
No one noticed? :rollin
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(https://s21.postimg.org/78qfemns7/lolzor.png)
Bad photo skills (Paint), but you get the idea.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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(https://s21.postimg.org/78qfemns7/lolzor.png)
Bad photo skills (Paint), but you get the idea.
WIN.
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(https://oi44.tinypic.com/6fuih5.jpg)
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This is the DTF I love the most :corn
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(https://s21.postimg.org/78qfemns7/lolzor.png)
Bad photo skills (Paint), but you get the idea.
WIN.
"If you transcribed the whole MIDI... you need to get a fuckin' life."
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Dear webadmin at dt.net: Ever heard of something called AJAX???
Jesus...
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(https://i.imgur.com/pCQhfoL.png)
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(https://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t626/eosforum/rJlH7ip_zpsfb1cea69.jpg) (https://s1317.photobucket.com/user/eosforum/media/rJlH7ip_zpsfb1cea69.jpg.html)
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I love how you guys are already captioning the photos, hilarious so far, especially the one with James wanting to slide the thingies. :lol
Great promo shot as well. :metal
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WHAT IS IT WHAT IS IT I MUST KNOW
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Thanks to Lucien for the facts!
Between that and JR mentioning mastering today, I'm starting to think it's not too crazy that it might be DT related. Still not getting my expectations up though.
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Track listing tomorrow!!??
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The announcement (whatever it is) will be today. That FB status was yesterday.
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Thanks to Lucien for the facts!
And my first sig'd goes to Blob!
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(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_7076_1364592449.jpeg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/usKfr5C.jpg)
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I love you guys :rollin
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(https://i.imgur.com/usKfr5C.jpg)
Double Cheese Grilled Salmon sub?
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DTF: Teh best quick fix evar...
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DTF: Teh best quick fix evar...
And with only half the nicotine!
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Does Starbucks taste better in the US because i've been to a few in England and it's amongst the worst coffee i've ever tasted.
I've had instant coffee that tastes better...
My favourite coffee house in the UK is Costa.
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(https://image.email.roadrunnerrecords.com/lib/fef812747d6401/m/1/dt_newsletter_header_mainImage.jpg)
is this a sneaky preview ?
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It's weird since the logo is not centered. Where'd ya get it?
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Uh oh, is that a tightrope I see? I sense another unicyclist appearance.
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(https://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t626/eosforum/dt02_zps28acdf78.jpg) (https://s1317.photobucket.com/user/eosforum/media/dt02_zps28acdf78.jpg.html)
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(https://i41.tinypic.com/97r7g7.jpg)
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(https://image.email.roadrunnerrecords.com/lib/fef812747d6401/m/1/dt_newsletter_header_mainImage.jpg)
is this a sneaky preview ?
That's from the ADTOE booklet. That looks like it's off dt.net.
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WTFWTFWTF
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I asked Roadrunner.
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2qnmuxv.jpg)
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(https://image.email.roadrunnerrecords.com/lib/fef812747d6401/m/1/dt_newsletter_header_mainImage.jpg)
is this a sneaky preview ?
... why did you post this?
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I'd not seen it before - or i'd forgotten about it or not recognised it . :lol
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That picture came along the news e-mail that DT sent regarding the studio pictures.
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I asked Roadrunner.
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2qnmuxv.jpg)
Maybe means yes.
The announcement is confirmed DT, we're getting some HUGE announcement, I just feel all tense, Jordan's doing stuff, RR is doing stuff, we're going to get something BIG. TODAY.
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Ca peut-etre! :caffeine:
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I'd not seen it before - or i'd forgotten about it or not recognised it . :lol
The full picture has a sandcastle. Does that ring a bell?
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The full picture has a sandcastle. Does that ring a bell?
DRAWING LINES IN THE SAAAAAND
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Yes new announcement.
I feel like it's "just" going to be the studio update part 2.
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I asked Roadrunner.
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2qnmuxv.jpg)
*quick googling*.... :omg:
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What full picture?? Sand castle? Link please :corn
EDIT: MY bad, I thought there was a NEW pic around. :-\
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Yes new announcement.
I feel like it's "just" going to be the studio update part 2.
While I await the next video, would that justify a "big announcement"?
I think we're at the stage where they could announce a tracklist, close enough that I think they would have held off until it's ready. Just imo of course.
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Yes new announcement.
I feel like it's "just" going to be the studio update part 2.
While I await the next video, would that justify a "big announcement"?
I think we're at the stage where they could announce a tracklist, close enough that I think they would have held off until it's ready. Just imo of course.
Actually, you're right. "Big announcement" would have to be more than the video. I guess track listing will come, and MAYBE the lead single??? :huh:
Unless it's Luna Park announcement :facepalm:
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Yes new announcement.
I feel like it's "just" going to be the studio update part 2.
While I await the next video, would that justify a "big announcement"?
I think we're at the stage where they could announce a tracklist, close enough that I think they would have held off until it's ready. Just imo of course.
Actually, you're right. "Big announcement" would have to be more than the video. I guess track listing will come, and MAYBE the lead single??? :huh:
I don't think we're quite ready for a single yet, although they may announce when the single is going to be released? Tracklisting and maybe album cover would be my guess.
All speculation of course.
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EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT EXCITEMENT :caffeine:
I really don't think it's the single. Tracklist would be sweet though.
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The announcement will be that not only is Kevin Moore guest starring on the album as a musician, but will be doing lead vocals on two songs, including a new and slightly reworked version of Space Dye Vest. :hat
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It might just be tour dates! Fingers crossed for tracklist and album cover.
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I don't see anything about a "big" announcement? Just a regular ol' announcement.
While it could be a tracklisting, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was just another studio video.
Hopefully it is tour dates ;D
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ROADRUNNER: Dream Theater's new album "Dream Theater", to be released September 24, 2013, will feature a 34-piece symphony orchestra on 4 songs.
Stay tuned for more RR news.
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I'd not seen it before - or i'd forgotten about it or not recognised it . :lol
yes this is me :lol
I don't think it's DT but RR suddenly has me convinced :biggrin:
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I think it's a new app that JR has developed, called GeeWiz or ChatApp or something.
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I think it's a new app that JR has developed, called GeeWiz or ChatApp or something.
GeeWiz. :lol I'd buy that for a dollar!
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I'd not seen it before - or i'd forgotten about it or not recognised it . :lol
The full picture has a sandcastle. Does that ring a bell?
Yeah i looked it up . i've not looked at the book since I bought the CD.
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Tracklist, album cover, and maybe the smallest snippet of actual music?
I would laugh SO HARD if a snippet they released was the same as the MIDI we transcribed a couple of weeks ago.
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Tracklist, album cover, and maybe the smallest snippet of actual music?
I would laugh SO HARD if a snippet they released was the same as the MIDI we transcribed a couple of weeks ago.
Yeah, but hearing it in its final form with the rest of the instruments would still be pretty cool.
But no, I'd rather get one full single, than a bunch of snippets. I'm avoiding snippets all together this time around.
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I'd not seen it before - or i'd forgotten about it or not recognised it . :lol
The full picture has a sandcastle. Does that ring a bell?
Yeah i looked it up . i've not looked at the book since I bought the CD.
Understandable. I have the booklet art from the past 3 albums deeply ingrained into my mind, so I recognize them very easily. :lol
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I'm so excite.
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GAAAAH MUST HAVE UPDATE. If it's not DT I won't be upset but I will be screaming with joy internally if it is indeed a DT update when it arrives.
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But no, I'd rather get one full single, than a bunch of snippets. I'm avoiding snippets all together this time around.
Same. I'm going to try real hard to avoid the single as well this time.
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(https://s21.postimg.org/78qfemns7/lolzor.png)
Bad photo skills (Paint), but you get the idea.
I like this because I can easily hear JLB saying this. :D
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Man, JP needs to do something about that skullet . . .
That's a long ways away from being a skullet...
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We're going to get something BIG. TODAY.
I don't know about you but I haven't seen any appropriate willing males today :zydar:
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We're going to get something BIG. TODAY.
I don't know about you but I haven't seen any appropriate willing males today :zydar:
You have now :eyebrows:
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We're going to get something BIG. TODAY.
I don't know about you but I haven't seen any appropriate willing males today :zydar:
You have now :eyebrows:
gahahahahahahahaha :lol
It was 8:58:05 when I started writing this post NUGGETZ
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If it's indeed a DT update it's most likely a second studio video imo. MAYBE, tracklist (without song lengths) if we're lucky enough
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We're going to get something BIG. TODAY.
I don't know about you but I haven't seen any appropriate willing males today :zydar:
You have now :eyebrows:
gahahahahahahahaha :lol
It was 8:58:05 when I started writing this post NUGGETZ
I have to wait either three or five hours for nuggets like that. :sad:
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We're going to get something BIG. TODAY.
I don't know about you but I haven't seen any appropriate willing males today :zydar:
I know right ;)
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I asked Roadrunner.
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2qnmuxv.jpg)
*quick googling*.... :omg:
and I asked whether it was 'regarding a certain announcement they announced yesterday" and they replied with "regarding a certain announcement we announce in the future".
Those bastards are fucking with my head! :lol
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James screams an A6 in this live version of Under a Glass Moon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCk8SfKB3Mk
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ROADRUNNER: Dream Theater's new album "Dream Theater", to be released September 24, 2013, will feature a 34-piece symphony orchestra on 4 songs.
Stay tuned for more RR news.
This is a large part of why I'm so excited for this album. They'd better take a page from Haken's book and make better use of it than they did on Octavarium.
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ROADRUNNER: Dream Theater's new album "Dream Theater", to be released September 24, 2013, will feature a 34-piece symphony orchestra on 4 songs.
Stay tuned for more RR news.
This is a large part of why I'm so excited for this aklbum. They'd better take a page from Haken's book and make better use of it than they did on Octavarium.
I thought they did well with the orchestra on Octavarium. Even more so on Score, especially with the title track.
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ROADRUNNER: Dream Theater's new album "Dream Theater", to be released September 24, 2013, will feature a 34-piece symphony orchestra on 4 songs.
Stay tuned for more RR news.
This is a large part of why I'm so excited for this aklbum. They'd better take a page from Haken's book and make better use of it than they did on Octavarium.
I thought they did well with the orchestra on Octavarium. Even more so on Score, especially with the title track.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the use of the orchestra on the album (especially the main theme breakdown in the title track), but I felt that it was mostly buried in the tracks. I loved hearing it so much that I ended up being disappointed that it didn't play a bigger part overall.
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WHOA...four songs with a whole orchestra. I wonder if this means they may do a WHOLE TOUR with an orchestra, a la Yes? If not, I wonder if they'll pull a SCORE and do a special show again?
Either way, this is exciting, and depending on the length of these songs, it could be about half of the album's music will have an orchestra!
-Marc.
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WHOA...four songs with a whole orchestra. I wonder if this means they may do a WHOLE TOUR with an orchestra, a la Yes? If not, I wonder if they'll pull a SCORE and do a special show again?
Either way, this is exciting, and depending on the length of these songs, it could be about half of the album's music will have an orchestra!
-Marc.
Wait, this is legitimate
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im not seeing this in the RR twitter feed. where was it found?
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I say time for a new DT photo caption thread.
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I say time for a new DT photo caption thread.
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Considering they're using an orchestra on four songs, I'm willing to bet they're pretty long, considering how much work it must be to get an orchestra together and pay them and all that. They're probably making as much use of them as they can if they went to the trouble to get them together.
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So this is it? That's the announcement?
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Um, I don't think that is a legitimate announcement, guys.
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Um, I don't think that is a legitimate announcement, guys.
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But if they were to use a proper orchestra for some of the songs I'd be pretty excited... I think.
In my opinion orchestras are double-edged swords; if used right they can add an incredible sense of epicness and depth to a song but it could just as well become a negative force that overshadows the actual band members.
That violin on Score was a nightmare to remember.
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That violin on Score was a nightmare to remember.
:neverusethis:
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Sorry guys. I thought you guys would get it. I was making fun of the supposed "big" announcement by typing up a fake RR announcement for something we already know. (aka orchestra on DT12)
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Sorry guys. I thought you guys would get it. I was making fun of the supposed "big" announcement by typing up a fake RR announcement for something we already know. (aka orchestra on DT12)
We didn't know it was for 4 songs, so by adding that you put us all in a craze. :lol
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I knew it was fake, but then people started believing it. :huh:
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we already knew that?
i didn't.
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That violin on Score was a nightmare to remember.
Yea, there was literally that one guy or girl who was out of tune most of the time. Why could they not fix that??? (either during the show, or in mixing for the live album)
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Sorry guys. I thought you guys would get it. I was making fun of the supposed "big" announcement by typing up a fake RR announcement for something we already know. (aka orchestra on DT12)
We didn't know it was for 4 songs, so by adding that you put us all in a craze. :lol
I recall someone somewhere saying that 4 songs were recorded with an orchestra.
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we already knew that?
i didn't.
This. When was that announced? And where? I'm usually up to date on things about this new album. Maybe all of the E3 hype threw me off lol
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Currently listening to Metropolis Pt. 2, all the way through, something I haven't done yet. Fatal Tragedy's first aggressive lyrics are AMAZING.
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I know that the orchestra isn't the announcement. But it's still the prime reason for my excitement for the album.
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While listening, I look up and see RRR's twitter page has a new tweet
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
"If you're going to see @amityaffliction at @VansWarpedTour today, they'll be onstage at 8:20 PM local time!"
Fuck you too, Roadrunner.
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Okay guys, I'm back. Did I miss anything?
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Okay guys, I'm back. Did I miss anything?
Big DT announcement today. We're waiting for it.
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If there is an announcement, maybe at 2100 GMT (i.e. in 55 minutes)?
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I'm having a hard time following all of this. :lol So, stupid question time - how do we know this will be a DT announcement? ;D
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I'm having a hard time following all of this. :lol So, stupid question time - how do we know this will be a DT announcement? ;D
I think RR wrote it on Facebook. They didn't specifically state that it would be DT related, so we don't even know for sure.
EDIT: I think I got your question wrong. So no, we don't know if it's a DT announcement
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Not definitely DT, but seems likely:
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2qnmuxv.jpg)
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Oh, I did see that. Kudos to Roadrunner, they really know how to get people excited. :smiley:
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You get the feeling that whoever is posting loves our homeboys too :)
Also, in the comments, I finally used that one reaction image I always wanted to use :rollin
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You get the feeling that whoever is posting loves our homeboys too :)
Also, in the comments, I finally used that one reaction image I always wanted to use :rollin
Hahahahaha, well played. :clap:
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I really hope JM has been in the mood to write his own musical ideas ala Trial of Tears, but then that got me thinking. He mightve done just that with BAI, they do share the same structure.
NO WONDER WE LOVE BAI.
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So Jordan's apparently not doing anything DT-related, he's mastering his piano album.
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So Jordan's apparently not doing anything DT-related, he's mastering his piano album.
That made me a little upset. I'll check at the end of the day to see if he said anything about the new album.
On Metropolis Pt. 2, I'm at the end of One Last Time, going into The Spirit Carries On.
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On Metropolis Pt. 2, I'm at the end of One Last Time, going into The Spirit Carries On.
Pause for several minutes for that one ;)
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Would the album have four random songs with an orchestra? Four orchestral songs with a common thread (concept) is more likely.
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Would the album have four random songs with an orchestra? Four orchestral songs with a common thread (concept) is more likely.
I'm gonna guess that two of them are related, but of course we have no evidence for any of this. :lol
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Would the album have four random songs with an orchestra? Four orchestral songs with a common thread (concept) is more likely.
I'm gonna guess that two of them are related, but of course we have no evidence for any of this. :lol
Seriously, when and how did we get this info about an orchestra?
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Would the album have four random songs with an orchestra? Four orchestral songs with a common thread (concept) is more likely.
I'm gonna guess that two of them are related, but of course we have no evidence for any of this. :lol
Seriously, when and how did we get this info about an orchestra?
It's not real info:
Sorry guys. I thought you guys would get it. I was making fun of the supposed "big" announcement by typing up a fake RR announcement for something we already know. (aka orchestra on DT12)
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Would the album have four random songs with an orchestra? Four orchestral songs with a common thread (concept) is more likely.
I'm gonna guess that two of them are related, but of course we have no evidence for any of this. :lol
Seriously, when and how did we get this info about an orchestra?
It's not real info:
Sorry guys. I thought you guys would get it. I was making fun of the supposed "big" announcement by typing up a fake RR announcement for something we already know. (aka orchestra on DT12)
So, he actually says we do know about this...
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We know there will be an orchestra on DT12, but we don't know the number of songs. Our guess is that the opening song is a sort of an overture into the album so it would make sense there.
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We know there will be an orchestra on DT12, but we don't know the number of songs. Our guess is that the opening song is a sort of an overture into the album so it would make sense there.
But I think he wants to know where the info came from and when it came about. I'm still a bit confused on that point as well...
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We know there will be an orchestra on DT12, but we don't know the number of songs. Our guess is that the opening song is a sort of an overture into the album so it would make sense there.
But I think he wants to know where the info came from and when it came about. I'm still a bit confused on that point as well...
Eren Basbug (a friend of JR) posted a photo on Facebook of him with an orchestra about a month ago with the caption "recording the parts I arranged for Dream Theater's new album. one of the most amazing moments of my life so far."
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We know there will be an orchestra on DT12, but we don't know the number of songs. Our guess is that the opening song is a sort of an overture into the album so it would make sense there.
But I think he wants to know where the info came from and when it came about. I'm still a bit confused on that point as well...
Eren Basbug (a friend of JR) posted a photo on Facebook of him with an orchestra about a month ago with the caption "recording the parts I arranged for Dream Theater's new album. one of the most amazing moments of my life so far."
Thanks, I've been looking for that update for several minutes already but couldn't find it.
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We know there will be an orchestra on DT12, but we don't know the number of songs. Our guess is that the opening song is a sort of an overture into the album so it would make sense there.
But I think he wants to know where the info came from and when it came about. I'm still a bit confused on that point as well...
Eren Basbug (a friend of JR) posted a photo on Facebook of him with an orchestra about a month ago with the caption "recording the parts I arranged for Dream Theater's new album. one of the most amazing moments of my life so far."
This was the photo.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/946557_576137765739806_1156410078_n.jpg)
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SOMEONE GET THE CSI FILTER
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:rollin
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Just in case someone doesn't know him, it's the awesome guy who organized this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=453GmkbZszM
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Just in case someone doesn't know him, it's the awesome guy who organized this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=453GmkbZszM
Oh, JESUS CHRIST this is going to be amazing
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SOMEONE GET THE CSI FILTER
No, seriously. Someone do that. There are quite a few sheets of music there. Bring the MIDI! :corn
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Seem like it might be getting a little to late for an announcement today.
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Yeah, maybe RR gets OTE on us and start postponing the news :'(
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SOMEONE GET THE CSI FILTER
No, seriously. Someone do that. There are quite a few sheets of music there. Bring the MIDI! :corn
It's unfortunate that someone like that does not exist, and the sheet music is unreadable anyways. Anyone have a higher res version of that picture?
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Announcement delayed til November 15th !
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(https://i43.tinypic.com/dgm4ac.jpg)
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Announcement delayed til November 15th !
What now?
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No, but it was delayed til 10 am tomorrow according to Roadrunner's facebook page.
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Tomorrow afternoon on this side of the Earth then.
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:censored :censored :censored :censored :censored :censored
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Well at least they let us know. I can go to bed now.
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Who mentioned them going all OTE on us? :lol
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I kinda want the announcement to be extremely minor, just so I can watch people rage.
Does that make me a bad person?
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I kinda want the announcement to be extremely minor, just so I can watch people rage.
Does that make me a bad person?
:lol You are so evil I love it! :lol
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I kinda want the announcement to be extremely minor, just so I can watch people rage.
Does that make me a bad person?
:'( >:( :censored :( :'(
:lol
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*snip*
I saved that like ages ago and I predict using it for ages to come :lol
re:announcement, basically this:
Well at least they let us know. I can go to bed now.
Yes Dream Theater keeps me up at night :eyebrows:
(of all the things you can do with your eyebrows, the emote code for the word had to be the pervy thing, because this is DTF. I love you forum :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart)
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I love you forum :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart)
:eyebrows:
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Just in case someone doesn't know him, it's the awesome guy who organized this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=453GmkbZszM
As if I wasn't excited enough. That performance is mindblowing.
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I love you forum :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart)
:eyebrows:
I wanna hump this forum.
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No, but it was delayed til 10 am tomorrow according to Roadrunner's facebook page.
Dream Theater !
The band that likes to say " SOON " .
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...
and "DELAYED".
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DTF: the fanbase that hopes 'soon' means 'the moment immediately following now.'
:heart
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DTF: the fanbase that hopes 'soon' means 'the moment immediately following now.'
:heart
This is usually my working definition.
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DTF: the fanbase that hopes 'soon' means 'the moment immediately following now.'
:heart
Dream Theater - " The twelfth album will be out soon " means " before the thirteenth album is out. "
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No, but it was delayed til 10 am tomorrow according to Roadrunner's facebook page.
Dream Theater !
The band that likes to say " SOON " .
At least that's pretty much proof that it's about them. :lol
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I think DT and the people they work with need to learn not to announce things until they're sure everything is set to go. :lol
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RR anouncement: "The 24th of September will be postponed to late April 2014. More on that soon..."
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I think DT and the people they work with need to learn not to announce things until they're sure everything is set to go. :lol
May 2012 : Apocalypse . . . SOON.
October 2012 : Appocalypse SOON !!!!
December 2012 : I MEAN IT THIS TIME !!!!
June 2013 : It's a bit chilly out ! WRAP UP WARRRRRMMMMM !!!!!! :omg: :omg:
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So... the announcement is: The announcement will be at 10am tomorrow.
That's amazeballs! They announced an announcement.... Inception anyone? :facepalm:
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No.
Inception is the act of implanting an idea in someone's subconscious.
Not something inside itself.
MISCON-ception ;D
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DTF: the fanbase that, on release day of a new DT album says, "when is the next one coming out??"
:heart
Fixed.
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RR anouncement: "The 24th of September will be postponed to late April 2014. More on that soon..."
ROADRUNNER DOESN'T CONTROL THE CALENDAR
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DTF: the fanbase that, on release day of a new DT album says, "when is the next one coming out??" and then complains when DT is nice enough to answer because they're giving out info before they're 100% sure.
:heart
Fixed.
even better ;D
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and they should be DAMN proud to have us :metal as should we about ourselves. :)
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What timezone did RR announce that in? In other words, what timezone are they talking about so I can have an alarm clock set to the exact time where I can stare at their twitter page until I see (1 New Tweet) and scream OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG, while the whole Trivium fanbase goes awwwww... as they don't get anything new, and we get our AMAZING TRACKLIST and our AMAZING ALBUM COVER?
Central, Pacific, or Atlantic, assuming that Roadrunner doesn't live in England (which would be great anyways, because it would be like 5 am in the morning for me if they announced the schtuff at 10 am over there).
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Eh, I wouldn't mind if the announcement was Trivium-related. They rock.
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It would be a bit weird to have two "huge announcements" about the same band that close... Tomorrow we'll see.
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ME WANT TRACKLIST. >:(
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Nevermind - checked my facts and I was completely wrong. :loser:
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Wait, so are we even certain that the announcement has anything at all to do with DT?
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Wait, so are we even certain that the announcement has anything at all to do with DT?
Yes, because RR said they'd announce it today, but then last minute changed it to tomorrow. That kinda shit has DT written all over it! :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I'd say there's a good chance it's about Trivium, which is fine by me.
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I'd say there's a good chance it's about Trivium, which is fine by me.
Well it's either the DT fans or the Trivium fans that are let down tomorrow, and considering all the hits RRR has given us, I think we know almost for certain which of the two fandoms will be screaming with joy within 12 hours. ;D
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Thank you for wasting my time reading three pages for no announcement.
:heart Still worth it though.
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Thank you for wasting my time reading three pages for no announcement.
:heart Still worth it though.
lol this * 100023
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Too bad I can't see the pics posted a couple of pages ago, I bet they are awesome :sad:
(https://i43.tinypic.com/dgm4ac.jpg)
:clap:
Thank you for wasting my time reading three pages for no announcement.
:heart Still worth it though.
This :lol
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(https://i43.tinypic.com/dgm4ac.jpg)
That comic is my favorite response to someone saying they don't like a thing.
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RR anouncement: "The 24th of September will be postponed to late April 2014. More on that soon..."
Nice one. :lol
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(https://i43.tinypic.com/o6cq3b.jpg)
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the F Sharping delete key
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the F Sharping delete key
:lol
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the F Sharp star king delete key
Fixed
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
was the F# thing done on purpose?? :lol
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(https://i43.tinypic.com/o6cq3b.jpg)
the F Sharping delete key
I love you DTF ILY ILY
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I'd say there's a good chance it's about Trivium, which is fine by me.
You, this. I'm extremely excited for the new Trivium, actually, maybe even more than for DT12.
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The announcement should be at 1400 GMT, seeing as RRUSA are based on the East Coast (I think). RRUK, and those from other countries, has a separate Twitter account.
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1400 GMT....... I believe I should be awake. This is good. Assuming it's DT related.
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I just want the tracklist.
It's probably too early for artwork - but to have both would be awesome.
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I do not understand what's the point with having a tracklist ?
For me it is nothing more than a bunch of titles that may include a Count or a Shaman :)
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It's just nice to know how long the album is going to be and how many songs.
I remember being a bit deflated when Black Clouds & Silver Linings only had 6 songs on it.
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(https://i43.tinypic.com/o6cq3b.jpg)
the F Sharping delete key
I love you DTF ILY ILY
Each day a little more :hearts:
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I just want the tracklist.
It's probably too early for artwork - but to have both would be awesome.
Exactly this :tup.
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Hmm...it seems that most Roadrunner fans believe the announcement is the new Trivium album...well, hopefully it's not. Would love some more info on DT12.
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Hmm...it seems that most Roadrunner fans believe the announcement is the new Trivium album...well, hopefully it's not. Would love some more info on DT12.
I am starting to believe that as well. Apparetly nothing has been known yet regarding Trivium's next album and we have a title and a release date for DT, so it's propably Trivium who need to inform their fans about their progress...
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I tweeted RR UK earlier asking if there would be a DT announcement today. They just replied with -
@Roadrunner_UK: @RX8_Matt_RX8 it is looking that way!
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I tweeted RR UK earlier asking if there would be a DT announcement today. They just replied with -
@Roadrunner_UK: @RX8_Matt_RX8 it is looking that way!
The Over The Edge virus has spread.
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:corn
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So, in about 20 minutes the announcement must be released, right?
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11 minutes I think.
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58 minutes
NUGGETS
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11 minutes I think.
Yeah! Finally I'm online when a big announcement is due. :caffeine:
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Let's hope it's big. RR just said it was "an announcement".
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Let's hope it's big. RR just said it was "an announcement".
ROAD RUNNER RECORDS PRESS RELEASE
6/21/2013
Mike Mangini (Extreme, Dream Theater) has announced his resignation from Dream Theater. Mike stated that while it was fun he felt it was best to try something 'fresh'. Mike has announced he will continue on as the new drummer for Adrenaline Mob.
LUL RIGHT
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Let's hope it's big. RR just said it was "an announcement".
ROAD RUNNER RECORDS PRESS RELEASE
6/21/2013
Mike Mangini (Extreme, Dream Theater) has announced his resignation from Dream Theater. Mike stated that while it was fun he felt it was best to try something 'fresh'. Mike has announced he will continue on as the new drummer for Adrenaline Mob.
:lol :lol
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Haha. I was going along with it until the last line. :lol
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Waiting...
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So you are telling me that he won't continue with Avenged Sevenfold :omg:
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Waiting...
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So you are telling me that he won't continue with Avenged Sevenfold :omg:
Later JP will reveal that he always thought the DT gig was permanent and he quit Berkeley to join them full time, but that that was never the case.
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Waiting...
To be born again...
*insert the "Steven and the little porcupines" pic here*
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RRUK just posted "Big news! @slipknot's Joey Jordison announces his new project 'Scar The Martyr'. Click here for all the details! po.st/pTMWtP"...
Why would they tweet saying it was looking like a DT announcement was coming?
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RRUK just posted "Big news! @slipknot's Joey Jordison announces his new project 'Scar The Martyr'. Click here for all the details! po.st/pTMWtP"...
Does that count? Does anyone care about that?
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Nice of RR to lead their fans up the garden path.
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I don't think it counts. It's on a different Twitter account for a start.
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:censored :censored
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For a second I thought I must be on the wrong Twitter account because I didn't see that post :lol. Fuck.
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I don't think it counts.
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Hopefully, because that's a huge bummer if it is the news.
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(https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q554/oskirules/Slipknot_zpsccf49166.jpg)
I love crying girl, so versatile :biggrin:
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the F Sharp star king delete key
Fixed
please let a track be called "F-sharp Star King"
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Are we talking about the new Ayreon here? :neverusethis:
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"Good morning! Joey Jordison of @slipknot has a new band - they're called Scar the Martyr: https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/scar-the-martyr-20130621 …"
That's from RRR.
ANNOUNCE THE ANNOUNCEMENT ALREADY. Aren't they thirty minutes late right now?
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:rollin
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@dtforumsorg No announcement today - perhaps there was a miscommunication somewhere. This week's big news was the photo gallery.
:rollin
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Roadrunner Records @rrusa 1λ
@lnieves16 @dtforumsorg No announcement today - perhaps there was a miscommunication somewhere. This week's big news was the photo gallery.
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@dtforumsorg No announcement today - perhaps there was a miscommunication somewhere. This week's big news was the photo gallery.
:rollin
Welp, that stinks :lol
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Roadrunner Records @rrusa 1λ
@lnieves16 @dtforumsorg No announcement today - perhaps there was a miscommunication somewhere. This week's big news was the photo gallery.
WHAT THE FUCK, ROADRUNNER.
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Are you serious, guys? :lol
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Are you serious, guys? :lol
https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/348085494514589696
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(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dtf_comic.jpg)
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Yeah, and just confirmed again on Facebook.
As some of you may have heard, Slipknot drummer Joey Jordison has been working on a new project. Well, it's called Scar The Martyr, and it will be coming out on Roadrunner. (Yes, this is the announcement).
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Actually the announcement was Slipknot drummer Joey Jordison...
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Lol. Letdowns are piling up.
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So whoever was running the RR twitter feed yesterday is a fucking dick.
I don't think constantly telling people 'yep, there's a DT announcement coming' and 'there will be one at 10 tomorrow morning' counts as 'miscommunication'. It counts as either wrong, incompetent, or intentionally misleading.
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:facepalm:
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(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dtf_comic.jpg)
MY FUCKING GOD. MY GOD.
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So whoever was running the RR twitter feed yesterday is a fucking dick.
I don't think constantly telling people 'yep, there's a DT announcement coming' and 'there will be one at 10 tomorrow morning' counts as 'miscommunication'. It counts as either wrong, incompetent, or intentionally misleading.
Technically, the only true falsity was the RR UK twitter, saying "Looks that way!" in response to "DT announcement today?" I think they just missed the "DT" part.
Roadrunner USA only said "maybe," which, IMO, is still mean :lol
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Road Runner Records
EPIC TROLL.
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Wait, guys, I'm sure there will be an announcement soon.
;)
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The pic :clap:
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(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dtf_comic.jpg)
This is twice as awesome as any announcement could have ever been :lol :lol
Fucking great work, blob!
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(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dtf_comic.jpg)
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Guys, we could open up a thread and make comics out of these pics to pass time SINCE THE ANNOUNCEMENT WASN'T AN ANNOUNCEMENT... just saying ::)
It's a bit mean they said maybe but I didn't think there would be one anyway :lol
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(https://i43.tinypic.com/2v3pi4p.jpg)
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A big lol aimed at this thread.
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ROADRUNNER, WE DON'T HATE YOU, WE'RE JUST ON OUR PERIOD
ROADRUNNER????
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ROADRUNNER, WE DON'T HATE YOU, WE'RE JUST ON OUR PERIOD
Speak for yourself! *shudder*
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I have a lot of respect for that guy at roadrunner, he is able to laugh his ass off and reply at the same time.
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The pic :clap:
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Technically, the only true falsity was the RR UK twitter, saying "Looks that way!" in response to "DT announcement today?" I think they just missed the "DT" part.
Could we adopt this as a consensus... after all, it's our fault that we got excited over a "maybe" :lol
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Someone needs to go apologize to Roadrunner so they don't decide to stop providing any DT news at all.
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DTF: the place where "maybe" equals "yes"
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Technically, the only true falsity was the RR UK twitter, saying "Looks that way!" in response to "DT announcement today?" I think they just missed the "DT" part.
Could we adopt this as a consensus... after all, it's our fault that we got excited over a "maybe" :lol
With the expectation DT announcements get, I consider this “maybe” to be deliberate
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DTF: the place where "maybe" equals "yes"
And where "no" equals "maybe" :zydar:
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Technically, the only true falsity was the RR UK twitter, saying "Looks that way!" in response to "DT announcement today?" I think they just missed the "DT" part.
Could we adopt this as a consensus... after all, it's our fault that we got excited over a "maybe" :lol
NO FUCK THESE ROADRUNNER MOTHERFCUKERS I'M NOT GOING TO BUY THE ALBUM NOW!!!!11!!!1!
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I posted a comment... hey, it's a public forum just like this one :D
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Think there will be a PR manager vacancy coming up at Roadrunner after today's events?
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(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/DTF/JPbant_zpsf9c4c92d.jpg) (https://s7.photobucket.com/user/bosk1/media/DTF/JPbant_zpsf9c4c92d.jpg.html)
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(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/DTF/JPbant_zpsf9c4c92d.jpg) (https://s7.photobucket.com/user/bosk1/media/DTF/JPbant_zpsf9c4c92d.jpg.html)
:rollin
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Blob. That's the best thing I have ever seen in my life. You just won the Marco Award for Life and Everything.
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(https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/bosk1/DTF/JPbant_zpsf9c4c92d.jpg) (https://s7.photobucket.com/user/bosk1/media/DTF/JPbant_zpsf9c4c92d.jpg.html)
"I want the sound of the banhammer coming down to be like chocolate cake." - Bosk1
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I posted a comment... hey, it's a public forum just like this one :D
I think we can safely say that this is the first time in history that a fanbase has apologized to a record company. Good job!
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I wasn't even mad at the lack of announcement, but I hope these awesome captioned pics will cheer people up :D
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It's interesting. An announcement was SUPPOSED to happen today, but RRRUSA's tweet says otherwise:
"No announcement today - perhaps there was a miscommunication somewhere. This week's big news was the photo gallery."
Someone's lying somewhere
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It's interesting. An announcement was SUPPOSED to happen today, but RRRUSA's tweet says otherwise:
"No announcement today - perhaps there was a miscommunication somewhere. This week's big news was the photo gallery."
Someone's lying somewhere
I'm not sure. I don't think so. That would be really too convenient for them to have the Joey Jordison news ready at the same time. They don't want to overshadow an announcement with another announcement.
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I'm not liking this. This is absolutely nothing like a warm, moist chocolate cake.
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I'm not liking this. This is absolutely nothing like a warm, moist chocolate cake.
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I don't understand
I don't feel that I deserve this
What did I do wrong?
I just don't understand
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They took us for a ride, promising a vast adventure?
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Next thing I know... I'm frightened for this album.
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Now wait a minute man!
That's not how it is!
You must be confused
There won't be an announcement today!
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Please don't be upset
I would never try to mislead you!
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This is how we twitt,
Strange although it seems.
Please try to forgive!
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:clap: @ blob
But guys. The last 10 pages have been nothing but pictures, emotes, and song lyrics. (I guess the same can be said about the whole thread :lol) You're getting my hopes up!
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Joey Jordison has a new band.... That's anticlimactic.
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This is how we twitt,
Strange although it seems.
Please try to forgive!
The chapel and the saint, the soldiers and the wine
The fables and the tales, of tracklisting this time
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Joey Jordison has a new band.... That's anticlimactic.
WHO IS THAT
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Slipknots drummer.
So.... looks like what we were hoping to be DT news is that Slipknots drummer has a new band.
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Slipknots drummer.
So.... looks like what we were hoping to be DT news is that Slipknots drummer has a new band.
:facepalm:
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Of course you're free to lurk
Go and tell the world big news are coming
Edit: and Joey Jordison is DT's new drummer.
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/scar-the-martyr-20130621
Here's the article.
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So maybe what makes it DT related is that Slipknot now need somebody to fill in for Jordison :justjen
Adrenaline Mob and Avenged Sevenfold are never enough.
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It's so nice to wake up to nice big pair of blue balls.
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(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dtf_comic.jpg)
Deserves to be on every page :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin GREATEST PICTURE EVER.
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(https://i43.tinypic.com/2v3pi4p.jpg)
Seriously? I think you need something just a little bit more more substantial than "Peut-etre" before anyone has any right to start complaining that, "How DARE they not announce a Dream Theater thing today." I'm not particularly comfortable with this behaviour, and definitely not comfortable with anonymous Wilson claiming to speak for me with that rather nasty and unnecessary comment.
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That's why Mora has chimed in.
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Seriously? I think you need something just a little bit more more substantial than "Peut-etre" before anyone has any right to start complaining that, "How DARE they not announce a Dream Theater thing today." I'm not particularly comfortable with this behaviour, and definitely not comfortable with anonymous Wilson claiming to speak for me with that rather nasty and unnecessary comment.
Yeah i'm annoyed at this kind of behavior too. It makes DT fans and DTFers look bad in way, and it's inaccurate since there are great people posting here.
It's kind of childish.
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:lol :lol hundreds of internet users thousands and thousands of miles apart, all around the world are all feeling EXACTLY the same way toward RR
That's why Mora has chimed in.
I did too now btw :)
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lol Slipknot
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Yeah, I'm not happy with that either. Firstly it's a lie (which is hypocritical) and secondly it really doesn't make us look good. Can people refrain from posting such childish remarks on RR's Facebook please.
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with regard to potential DT news/updates/live releases, we should take a page from what they tell professional athletes
no means no
maybe means no
and
yes means no tomorrow morning
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Sometimes, I really hate DT fans.
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Who the hell is Wilson?
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(https://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/01/21/science/castaway533.jpg)
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Oh, right. Thanks! :)
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Sometimes, I really hate DT fans.
I love them. I love how they've all, unanimously, gone, "Yeah, about that, Wilson doesn't represent us."
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That's why Mora has chimed in.
I did too now btw :)
LOL. The funny thing is that if the RR guy clicks on the link you provided the first thing he's gonna see is:
NO FUCK THESE ROADRUNNER MOTHERFCUKERS I'M NOT GOING TO BUY THE ALBUM NOW!!!!11!!!1!
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Yeah, I really don't like some random person claiming to speak for every single member here, and the behavior itself is really childish and unproductive.
Sure, I'm annoyed by the whole "yep there's probably a DT announcement come back at 10am lol jk not really" thing, but yelling at them on facebook or twitter is just stupid.
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This is what a humiliated Wilson looks like right now
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKC-a4voz8CKCtlpyEiA-gHQ5EeDSeob1YmWVq-uyERDo4NZ9eCQ)
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Sometimes, I really hate DT fans.
I love them. I love how they've all, unanimously, gone, "Yeah, about that, Wilson doesn't represent us."
Well...
(https://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/01/21/science/castaway533.jpg)
I actually think he does!
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That's why Mora has chimed in.
I did too now btw :)
LOL. The funny thing is that if the RR guy clicks on the link you provided the first thing he's gonna see is:
NO FUCK THESE ROADRUNNER MOTHERFCUKERS I'M NOT GOING TO BUY THE ALBUM NOW!!!!11!!!1!
LOL haha perfect!! :rollin
This is what a humiliated Wilson looks like right now
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKC-a4voz8CKCtlpyEiA-gHQ5EeDSeob1YmWVq-uyERDo4NZ9eCQ)
:lol
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Humiliated Wilson being me.
Yeah... I'm a bit of an idiot
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For what it's worth, I'm not 100% convinced "PILE ON THE TRAITOR" is the classiest response, either. I'm a fan of the simple, "Dude, not cool," then moving on with our lives.
(BEEP BEEP, INTERNET POLICEMAN COMING THROUGH! I'll shush now. Live your own lives!)
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(https://i39.tinypic.com/6ivgv5.jpg)
This is kind of why I was angry
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So, I hear DT are in the studio...
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So, I hear DT are in the studio...
lies!
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For what it's worth, I'm not 100% convinced "PILE ON THE TRAITOR" is the classiest response, either. I'm a fan of the simple, "Dude, not cool," then moving on with our lives.
OH YEA?! WELL I DON'T THINK GANGING UP ON THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THE TRAITOR IS VERY COOL EITHER.
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I'm just going to watch the movie where my avatar comes from...
*watershipdown
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heehee sorry, it's like you make a tiny little mistake, but in front of a billion people, and you never hear the end of it :P
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For what it's worth, I'm not 100% convinced "PILE ON THE TRAITOR" is the classiest response, either. I'm a fan of the simple, "Dude, not cool," then moving on with our lives.
OH YEA?! WELL I DON'T THINK GANGING UP ON THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THE TRAITOR IS VERY COOL EITHER.
Are you aware that it's an offence to impersonate an internet police officer?
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Drawing lines in the sand
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For what it's worth, I'm not 100% convinced "PILE ON THE TRAITOR" is the classiest response, either. I'm a fan of the simple, "Dude, not cool," then moving on with our lives.
OH YEA?! WELL I DON'T THINK GANGING UP ON THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THE TRAITOR IS VERY COOL EITHER.
Are you aware that it's an offence to impersonate an internet police officer?
the caps? Well then have I got a surprise for YOU *pulls out gun and badge.. or maybe just links to pics of them*
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:lol :lol hundreds a handful of overly-zealous internet users thousands and thousands of miles apart, all around the world are all feeling EXACTLY the same way toward RR and acting like complete children about it.
FTFY
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I'm just going to watch the movie where my avatar comes from...
*watershipdown
Hey, don't worry about it! We are all passionate about DT, and sometimes it comes out in a way that we don't necessarily mean it to.
We are like a family here, so don't be too embarrassed :)
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Yeah, normally, I don't even bother trying to police what people say and do elsewhere. But if I find out anyone from here is claiming to represent this forum and is posting harassing or derogatory statements out there, you are going to be instantly banned from here once I find out who you are.
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I was disappointed, then went on with my work. It's not the end of the world people. We'll look back on this in October and realize how stupid it was.
Then in October we'll get upset about the Luna Park announcements. ::)
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Yeah, normally, I don't even bother trying to police what people say and do elsewhere. But if I find out anyone from here is claiming to represent this forum and is posting harassing or derogatory statements out there, you are going to be instantly banned from here once I find out who you are.
While I don't disagree, I think Lucien meant his comment in a slightly humorous way that simply came off as rude. I definitely am not trying to influence you or any other moderator/administrator, but that is simply my opinion.
I do think it should be deleted though.
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I do think it should be deleted though.
Yes, if it was Lucien and Lucien wants to stay here, it really DOES need to be deleted.
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Haha....this is just pure gold on RR's end. They did what I would do to fans.
But being that way towards them is no excuse. It sounds like those angry Uproar fans that are on FB replying to every update with "lineup sucks."
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Haha....this is just pure gold on RR's end. They did what I would do to fans.
But being that way towards them is no excuse. It sounds like those angry Uproar fans that are on FB replying to every update with "lineup sucks."
Or those angry Over The Edge fans that are on FB replying to every update with "DT."
Oh, sh-
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Why so harsh towards Lucien/Wilson? It was clearly a throwaway tongue in cheek kinda comment.
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lol DTF drama.. I've had my fair share, that's for sure. not gonna get involved.. woops just did.
ANYWAY, on topic- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdtvaPP04c
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Why so harsh towards Lucien/Wilson? It was clearly a throwaway tongue in cheek kinda comment.
Bosk1 is right in this situation. It can create a very negative opinion of our forum, which, while not the official one, is definitely viewed as very important in DT land.
Therefore, if people see that comment, it may entice people who would have signed up here to go elsewhere, as well as damaging the site's reputation with the actual members of Dream Theater.
To sum up, it's simply bad for business and it is never good to spread sweeping generalizations ("I'm mad, so everyone I know is mad too!") that can damage the reputation of this forum which we all hold in such high regards. It makes us look childish and immature as a whole, when in reality, while we all joke around once in a while, we can mostly have serious and interesting discussions without animosity.
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Why so harsh towards Lucien/Wilson? It was clearly a throwaway tongue in cheek kinda comment.
Because its hard to distinguish between sarcasm and serious online, hence the need for smilies. Plus, he spoke of us all by using DTF, and its not true and does not represent us all. If he wouldve put, I don't represent the entirety of the community of DTF, it'd be a bit cooler. But now people think we're all like that based off that comment....anyway I digress...
I'm ready for more episodes of DT in the studio vol. 12 :corn
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I don't agree but I respect your opinion so I'll leave it.
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lol DTF drama.. I've had my fair share, that's for sure. not gonna get involved.. woops just did.
ANYWAY, on topic- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdtvaPP04c
He called one of the microphones a "Bad Larry". :o
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LOL. The funny thing is that if the RR guy clicks on the link you provided the first thing he's gonna see is:
NO FUCK THESE ROADRUNNER MOTHERFCUKERS I'M NOT GOING TO BUY THE ALBUM NOW!!!!11!!!1!
I hope the guys at RR notice that there was not really any seriousness involved when making that comment :lol
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I decided to send RRR a tweet this morning, I expected no reply. I log back into Twitter, only to find out not only Roadrunner, but DTF had replied. My disappointment for no announcement has disappeared. :metal
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I for one never expected an announcement to come today. I don't know why, but that prevented me from being disappointed now. :)
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I get a weird feeling when I think how RR misused DT's respected status to generate hype with their "maybe" comments only to announce a Slipknot side-project.
What will happen next? Will they tease a DT announcement only to show pictures of a huge dump a RR employee took?
If they had used DT to promote something that DT fans would care about, it would have been fair game, balancing "vague misguiding" with with an useful piece of information. But Slipknot, seriously?
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Notice that RRUK hinted at the DT news, but RRUSA said no. That looks like the miscommunication to me. Same company, but different locations. UK got their bands mixed up?
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Dream Theater is only one of many artists affiliated with RoadRunner. If RR say an announcement is forthcoming, then it may be from any one of their artists. If someone asks if it's going to be Dream Theater, everybody knows that they can't answer that with a "Yes" or "No"; the only proper response is "Maybe". It's a perfectly acceptable and correct answer; the only other option would be not to respond at all, which is lame.
Every possible variation of "Maybe" ("You'll just have to wait and see", "We can't say", etc.) would have been met with the same response: "Oh God, I knew it! It's going to be about DT!" People will read what they want into the reply.
Are they not allowed to post announcements from any other band, just because DT is in the studio and a handful of rabid fans will go apeshit if they don't get a daily dose of inside information? Is every announcement regarding any of their other bands going to be met with "Fuck you, I thought this would be about DT!"?
Seriously, what were they supposed to say when asked?
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I get a weird feeling when I think how RR misused DT's respected status to generate hype with their "maybe" comments only to announce a Slipknot side-project.
What will happen next? Will they tease a DT announcement only to show pictures of a huge dump a RR employee took?
If they had used DT to promote something that DT fans would care about, it would have been fair game, balancing "vague misguiding" with with an useful piece of information. But Slipknot, seriously?
Well, on the other hand, when you want to keep something secret, it's a common practice to answer all questions with "maybe".
Edit: ninja'd
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I get a weird feeling when I think how RR misused DT's respected status to generate hype with their "maybe" comments only to announce a Slipknot side-project.
What will happen next? Will they tease a DT announcement only to show pictures of a huge dump a RR employee took?
If they had used DT to promote something that DT fans would care about, it would have been fair game, balancing "vague misguiding" with with an useful piece of information. But Slipknot, seriously?
Its not about Slipknot, its about Joey being the drummer of a new band.
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The song on the album "Bad Larry" is going to have the same drums that mangini uses the bad larry microphones for.
I get a weird feeling when I think how RR misused DT's respected status to generate hype with their "maybe" comments only to announce a Slipknot side-project.
What will happen next? Will they tease a DT announcement only to show pictures of a huge dump a RR employee took?
If they had used DT to promote something that DT fans would care about, it would have been fair game, balancing "vague misguiding" with with an useful piece of information. But Slipknot, seriously?
Now you just reminded me of that chart of people visiting DT.net.
Anyways, I removed the "we hate you" comment and replaced it with basically an apology. I hope that makes it a little better.
Also, stop calling me Wilson :lol
Notice that RRUK hinted at the DT news, but RRUSA said no. That looks like the miscommunication to me. Same company, but different locations. UK got their bands mixed up?
Also, this.
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Ummm... I don't know what to say about that..
Roadrunner joined DTF
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You've gotten me a bit wrong. I don't mean to rant, I just want to say that RR deliberately let it go out of hand with stuff like this:
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2qnmuxv.jpg)
When you announce a Slipknot side-project and people ask you about bands of the calibre of DT, you have to say "no". Clear and simple.
When they ask about bands that are comparable to Slipknot, this is when you throw the "maybe" hints.
The way they did it, they managed to generate negative PR for the new band because people are disappointed about something that they could have been easily excited about. Don't generate hype that's disproportionate to the announcement.
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Roadrunner joined DTF
:lol
:metal
I don't think RR did anything wrong here. As a fanbase, we can get a bit carried away, and see everything through DT coloured sunglasses, sometimes not seeing the bigger picture.
While I was hoping this would be something DT related, I'm also not at all surprised that it wasn't, and I'm not the least bit angry about it. I think it's kind of funny when it happens, because we love getting excited over every potential DT-related tidbit, which is great, but we also have to keep it in perspective.
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Why so harsh towards Lucien/Wilson? It was clearly a throwaway tongue in cheek kinda comment.
Bosk1 is right in this situation. It can create a very negative opinion of our forum, which, while not the official one, is definitely viewed as very important in DT land.
Correct. I'm not trying to take an unreasonable hard line for no reason. But the issue is, even if tongue-in-cheek, claiming to represent this forum when ranting on a DT or label-related website. Even though we are an "unofficial forum," the band and band management are very aware of our existence and interact directly with Wey and I. They are genuinely appreciative of the support of all of you. But it is very easy for our image to be mistakenly tarnished by people making off the cuff statements and holding themselves out as "the Forum" or the concensus on the forum when they are not. I want to avoid that happening so that we do not unfairly get a bad name. When Mike Portnoy was in charge of the band's media and P/R, including most of the fan interaction, this forum (the version of it that previously existed at DT.net, and then migrated, and split into this place and 5/8.com) developed a VERY negative image in Mike's mind and, by extension, in the mind of the band and management, and I have worked hard for years to mend fences and correct that perception. I don't like the thought of that effort being thrown out the window by some posts that are just meant to be jokes, but may come accross much worse.
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Ummm... I don't know what to say about that..
Roadrunner joined DTF
:lol
His account is approved. Unfortunately, he picked a very obscure name that I think is going to make it very difficult for anyone to immediately pick up on the fact that he is the guy from RR Facebook.
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GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB
:lol I like him already. :tup
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GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB
:lol I like him already. :tup
But the font is wrong!
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You've gotten me a bit wrong. I don't mean to rant, I just want to say that RR deliberately let it go out of hand with stuff like this:
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2qnmuxv.jpg)
When you announce a Slipknot side-project and people ask you about bands of the calibre of DT, you have to say "no". Clear and simple.
When they ask about bands that are comparable to Slipknot, this is when you throw the "maybe" hints.
The way they did it, they managed to generate negative PR for the new band because people are disappointed about something that they could have been easily excited about. Don't generate hype that's disproportionate to the announcement.
I addressed this in my response on Facebook. Am I guilty of perhaps not thinking through the initial comment? Yes. Deliberately misleading people? Certainly not. I take my job, our image, and our bands very seriously and doing something like that would be totally against my integrity.
By the way - hi guys!
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His account is approved. Unfortunately, he picked a very obscure name that I think is going to make it very difficult for anyone to immediately pick up on the fact that he is the guy from RR Facebook.
:rollin :rollin Yep, I definitely can't tell who it is by the name...
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For the record, GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB is not John Myung.
/myworkisdonehere :loneranger:
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HI RR!!!! I'm so happy you're here!!!
Ummm... I don't know what to say about that..
Roadrunner joined DTF
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His account is approved. Unfortunately, he picked a very obscure name that I think is going to make it very difficult for anyone to immediately pick up on the fact that he is the guy from RR Facebook.
:rollin
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I addressed this in my response on Facebook. Am I guilty of perhaps not thinking through the initial comment? Yes. Deliberately misleading people? Certainly not. I take my job, our image, and our bands very seriously and doing something like that would be totally against my integrity.
By the way - hi guys!
A lot of FB pages of that size wouldn't even give a response to comments, so I think that says a lot about your commitment right there. :tup
I hope you don't take this incident as a negative reflection on our community. We're just a diehard group of fans, and the lead up to every new album is our Christmas Eve, and we're the kind of kids who like to sneak downstairs, find the presents, and shake them to figure out what's inside. Some people just shook this one too hard. :P
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I for one never expected an announcement to come today. I don't know why, but that prevented me from being disappointed now. :)
This - sometimes it's good to be a cynical bastard :lol
Welcome, RR guy!
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You've gotten me a bit wrong. I don't mean to rant, I just want to say that RR deliberately let it go out of hand with stuff like this:
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2qnmuxv.jpg)
When you announce a Slipknot side-project and people ask you about bands of the calibre of DT, you have to say "no". Clear and simple.
When they ask about bands that are comparable to Slipknot, this is when you throw the "maybe" hints.
The way they did it, they managed to generate negative PR for the new band because people are disappointed about something that they could have been easily excited about. Don't generate hype that's disproportionate to the announcement.
I addressed this in my response on Facebook. Am I guilty of perhaps not thinking through the initial comment? Yes. Deliberately misleading people? Certainly not. I take my job, our image, and our bands very seriously and doing something like that would be totally against my integrity.
By the way - hi guys!
Hello! Thank you for doing nice things on facebook! Especially the DT related ones, but the others are fine too. q:
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Welcome, RoadRunnerFbRunner :)
I have a feeling you will enjoy this crazy place! :tup
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Welcome to DTF, RR!
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I addressed this in my response on Facebook. Am I guilty of perhaps not thinking through the initial comment? Yes. Deliberately misleading people? Certainly not. I take my job, our image, and our bands very seriously and doing something like that would be totally against my integrity.
By the way - hi guys!
Hey :) Welcome to DTF! Always happy to see new members, especially of a more official nature.
Now, spill the beans on any DT info!!! ;)
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So GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB has everyone here's dream job: getting paid to throw oneself into the middle of DTF drama :tup
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Wow, so glad I walked in on the tail-end of all the drama.
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The way they did it, they managed to generate negative PR for the new band because people are disappointed about something that they could have been easily excited about. Don't generate hype that's disproportionate to the announcement.
I've been posting a bit about this recently, but I think this comes from the slightly magnified lens all fans tend to look at their own communities with. (Including me, so it's not an accusation.) DTF seems huge from where we're stood, but in the grand scheme of things, we're really not. Even if they've soured fifty people on a message board, (it's definitely not as many as fifty,) I'm sure you're aware of how many thousands more those messages are actually reaching. Negative publicity is relative... and what it's relative to, today, is quite a lot of positive publicity.
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I addressed this in my response on Facebook. Am I guilty of perhaps not thinking through the initial comment? Yes. Deliberately misleading people? Certainly not. I take my job, our image, and our bands very seriously and doing something like that would be totally against my integrity.
By the way - hi guys!
A lot of FB pages of that size wouldn't even give a response to comments, so I think that says a lot about your commitment right there. :tup
I hope you don't take this incident as a negative reflection on our community. We're just a diehard group of fans, and the lead up to every new album is our Christmas Eve, and we're the kind of kids who like to sneak downstairs, find the presents, and shake them to figure out what's inside. Some people just shook this one too hard. :P
Yeah, I get it; I work for Roadrunner for a reason! ;) That's also why I'm so serious about our image/bands.. this stuff is what I'm passionate about, so don't you tell me I was trying to do something shady with it!!!!
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Welcome!
This thread is getting better and better. :lol
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You've gotten me a bit wrong. I don't mean to rant, I just want to say that RR deliberately let it go out of hand with stuff like this:
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2qnmuxv.jpg)
When you announce a Slipknot side-project and people ask you about bands of the calibre of DT, you have to say "no". Clear and simple.
When they ask about bands that are comparable to Slipknot, this is when you throw the "maybe" hints.
The way they did it, they managed to generate negative PR for the new band because people are disappointed about something that they could have been easily excited about. Don't generate hype that's disproportionate to the announcement.
I addressed this in my response on Facebook. Am I guilty of perhaps not thinking through the initial comment? Yes. Deliberately misleading people? Certainly not. I take my job, our image, and our bands very seriously and doing something like that would be totally against my integrity.
By the way - hi guys!
Hey, welcome to DTF! You know, we can be a little crazy at times, but we're not bad guys. Bob phrased it better than I can, but, yeah, sometimes, we're behaving like kids. Hey, for a minute, I even believed the post that said MM was out of DT and my heart sank. I think it speaks volumes... ;D
B.Lee
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Hah, this is amazing :lol
Welcome to the forums! Sorry for dragging you in here! :xbones
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That would be my fault, of course. :lol
Yes, I was the one who said we all hate you, Mr. Roadrunner.
Yes, I now understand that is completely wrong, and I was angry at the time for several reasons already stated.
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Wait guys, maybe this Wilson character is Rich Wilson? Maybe he is so upset he is going to withhold the release of the paperback edition of Lifting Shadows.
:corn
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That would be my fault, of course. :lol
Yes, I was the one who said we all hate you, Mr. Roadrunner.
Yes, I now understand that is completely wrong, and I was angry at the time for several reasons already stated.
As I always say, call me Randy or "guywhorunstherrfb." Mr. Roadrunner is my father.
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WOAH WOAH WOAH! Wtf happened here when I was gone. :lol
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Yes, I now understand that is completely wrong, and I was angry at the time for several reasons already stated.
We get it. And I know there was nothing malicious intended. But I just want people to keep my explanation that I posted on the last page in mind.
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That would be my fault, of course. :lol
Yes, I was the one who said we all hate you, Mr. Roadrunner.
Yes, I now understand that is completely wrong, and I was angry at the time for several reasons already stated.
As I always say, call me Randy or "guywhorunstherrfb." Mr. Roadrunner is my father.
I'm Milena *waves* and TheAtliator is Dennis.
Man don't you just love social media :lol
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Hah, this is amazing :lol
Welcome to the forums! Sorry for dragging you in here! :xbones
Hey, you kidding? We even managed to drag Matt guillory in there. Only a few "mental" posts to drag the RR guy, not much afetr all! :xbones
B.Lee
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Wait guys, maybe this Wilson character is Rich Wilson? Maybe he is so upset he is going to withhold the release of the paperback edition of Lifting Shadows.
:corn
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Wilson = Me. That was stated earlier.
WOAH WOAH WOAH! Wtf happened here when I was gone. :lol
Drama. Normal stuff. My fault mostly
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Mr. Road Runner dude, I'm super sorry that you felt you had to create an account here to defend yourself! Like seriously, I think a lot of these dudes need to just :chill . What was said was completely uncalled for. I'm sure you know by now, that DT fans aren't like most fans. We have a special bond that Metallica fans or Slipknot fans or Beatles fans, etc, don't have because of the odd "the biggest band you've never heard of" status DT has. Please don't allow one crazy obsessed fan speak for the rest of us crazy obsessed fans! Thank you, and thanks to Roadrunner for promoting DT and their music in ways that no other label has done!! :heart
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Even though there was no announcement, this day has been one of the most interesting in the history of this thread.
Welcome Randy.
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Mr. Road Runner dude, I'm super sorry that you felt you had to create an account here to defend yourself! Like seriously, I think a lot of these dudes need to just :chill . What was said was completely uncalled for. I'm sure you know by now, that DT fans aren't like most fans. We have a special bond that Metallica fans or Slipknot fans or Beatles fans, etc, don't have because of the odd "the biggest band you've never heard of" status DT has. Please don't allow one crazy obsessed fan speak for the rest of us crazy obsessed fans! Thank you, and thanks to Roadrunner for promoting DT and their music in ways that no other label has done!! :heart
I take offense to this! I remember worshiping Creed in major fanboy fashion back in the day...
:neverusethis:
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Even though there was no announcement, this day has been one of the most interesting in the history of this thread.
Welcome Randy.
It's amazing what one idiot can cause
What's the suicide emote?
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Although Randy, if you want to talk to someone who understands, I'm sure you could talk to the dudes at OTE. They were also hounded by various comments about that same kinda shit!
I'm not sure which was more embarrassing though, the OTE posts or these RRR posts.. hahaha.
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Even though there was no announcement, this day has been one of the most interesting in the history of this thread.
Welcome Randy.
It's amazing what one idiot can cause
What's the suicide emote?
:marriageanalogy:
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Even though there was no announcement, this day has been one of the most interesting in the history of this thread.
Welcome Randy.
It's amazing what one idiot can cause
What's the suicide emote?
I'd rather kill myself than commit suicide.
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marriageanalogy
:rollin
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marriageanalogy
:rollin
There's also :justshootme:
By the way, GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB, great to have you here. We may seem crazy, and that's because, quite frankly, we are crazy. But we're good people.
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That would be my fault, of course. :lol
Yes, I was the one who said we all hate you, Mr. Roadrunner.
Yes, I now understand that is completely wrong, and I was angry at the time for several reasons already stated.
As I always say, call me Randy or "guywhorunstherrfb." Mr. Roadrunner is my father.
(https://www.boomeranghq.net/sites/www.boomeranghq.net/files/imagecache/character_image/characters/looneytunes-roadrunner.gif)
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marriageanalogy
:rollin
There's also :justshootme:
By the way, GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB, great to have you here. We may seem crazy, and that's because, quite frankly, we are crazy. But we're good people.
Yeah, you guys seem alright :D
That would be my fault, of course. :lol
Yes, I was the one who said we all hate you, Mr. Roadrunner.
Yes, I now understand that is completely wrong, and I was angry at the time for several reasons already stated.
As I always say, call me Randy or "guywhorunstherrfb." Mr. Roadrunner is my father.
(https://www.boomeranghq.net/sites/www.boomeranghq.net/files/imagecache/character_image/characters/looneytunes-roadrunner.gif)
Hilarious. And also the reason we can't manufacture RR merch.
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What an interesting day. Lucien, please don't beat yourself up too much. After all, in a roundabout way, you caused an official rep of Roadrunner to join the forums :) Haha.
@GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB - BTW, it is awesome that DT ended up on a label that truly cares for the band and the music just as much as the fans do. :tup
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What an interesting day. Lucien, please don't beat yourself up too much. After all, in a roundabout way, you caused an official rep of Roadrunner to join the forums :) Haha.
@GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB - BTW, it is awesome that DT ended up on a label that truly cares for the band and the music just as much as the fans do. :tup
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;D
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What an interesting day. Lucien, please don't beat yourself up too much. After all, in a roundabout way, you caused an official rep of Roadrunner to join the forums :) Haha.
@GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB - BTW, it is awesome that DT ended up on a label that truly cares for the band and the music just as much as the fans do. :tup
Haha - they deserve absolutely nothing less. You should have seen when they officially resigned last year. One of our A&R dudes ran out from his office yelling "WE JUST RESIGNED DREAM THEATER!!!" and had a bottle of celebratory whiskey with him. It was a good day.
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:meepmeep:
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One of our A&R dudes ran out from his office yelling "WE JUST RESIGNED DREAM THEATER!!!" and had a bottle of celebratory whiskey with him. It was a good day.
That is awesome.
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This could be a good thing, now we have someone at RR to listen to our crazy ideas....like DT on colored vinyl! ;D :metal
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What an interesting day. Lucien, please don't beat yourself up too much. After all, in a roundabout way, you caused an official rep of Roadrunner to join the forums :) Haha.
@GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB - BTW, it is awesome that DT ended up on a label that truly cares for the band and the music just as much as the fans do. :tup
Haha - they deserve absolutely nothing less. You should have seen when they officially resigned last year. One of our A&R dudes ran out from his office yelling "WE JUST RESIGNED DREAM THEATER!!!" and had a bottle of celebratory whiskey with him. It was a good day.
I believe the emotion here on the very same day could be summed up as: :burns:
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What an interesting day. Lucien, please don't beat yourself up too much. After all, in a roundabout way, you caused an official rep of Roadrunner to join the forums :) Haha.
@GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB - BTW, it is awesome that DT ended up on a label that truly cares for the band and the music just as much as the fans do. :tup
Haha - they deserve absolutely nothing less. You should have seen when they officially resigned last year. One of our A&R dudes ran out from his office yelling "WE JUST RESIGNED DREAM THEATER!!!" and had a bottle of celebratory whiskey with him. It was a good day.
That sounds like the sort of day that ends a week later. Those are always good days.
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What an interesting day. Lucien, please don't beat yourself up too much. After all, in a roundabout way, you caused an official rep of Roadrunner to join the forums :) Haha.
@GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB - BTW, it is awesome that DT ended up on a label that truly cares for the band and the music just as much as the fans do. :tup
Haha - they deserve absolutely nothing less. You should have seen when they officially resigned last year. One of our A&R dudes ran out from his office yelling "WE JUST RESIGNED DREAM THEATER!!!" and had a bottle of celebratory whiskey with him. It was a good day.
I would've been more impressed had it been a rare vintage of wine
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This could be a good thing, now we have someone at RR to listen to our crazy ideas....like DT on colored vinyl! ;D :metal
That's the most bat-shit crazy thing I've ever heard. Go back to the nuthouse, ya loon.
Might be a good idea...
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Mangini uploaded a new video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3CgIspkXB8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3CgIspkXB8)
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What an interesting day. Lucien, please don't beat yourself up too much. After all, in a roundabout way, you caused an official rep of Roadrunner to join the forums :) Haha.
@GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB - BTW, it is awesome that DT ended up on a label that truly cares for the band and the music just as much as the fans do. :tup
Haha - they deserve absolutely nothing less. You should have seen when they officially resigned last year. One of our A&R dudes ran out from his office yelling "WE JUST RESIGNED DREAM THEATER!!!" and had a bottle of celebratory whiskey with him. It was a good day.
I would've been more impressed had it been a rare vintage of wine
Haha.. while we do have our sophisticated sides, we're predominately a metal label, after all.
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Now that we have someone from RR here, just show us the traklist and the artwork! :D
Of course, just kidding!
Nice to have you here!
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What an interesting day. Lucien, please don't beat yourself up too much. After all, in a roundabout way, you caused an official rep of Roadrunner to join the forums :) Haha.
@GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB - BTW, it is awesome that DT ended up on a label that truly cares for the band and the music just as much as the fans do. :tup
Haha - they deserve absolutely nothing less. You should have seen when they officially resigned last year. One of our A&R dudes ran out from his office yelling "WE JUST RESIGNED DREAM THEATER!!!" and had a bottle of celebratory whiskey with him. It was a good day.
I would've been more impressed had it been a rare vintage of wine
:neverusethis:
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What an interesting day. Lucien, please don't beat yourself up too much. After all, in a roundabout way, you caused an official rep of Roadrunner to join the forums :) Haha.
@GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB - BTW, it is awesome that DT ended up on a label that truly cares for the band and the music just as much as the fans do. :tup
Haha - they deserve absolutely nothing less. You should have seen when they officially resigned last year. One of our A&R dudes ran out from his office yelling "WE JUST RESIGNED DREAM THEATER!!!" and had a bottle of celebratory whiskey with him. It was a good day.
I would've been more impressed had it been a rare vintage of wine
Haha.. while we do have our sophisticated sides, we're predominately a metal label, after all.
Hahaha, reminded me a joke: What genre is it when a metal band gets drunk and jams? Hard whiskey :neverusethis: :millahhhh
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Now that we have someone from RR here, just show us the traklist and the artwork! :D
Of course, just kidding!
Nice to have you here!
As much as I'd like to leak info to you, it would definitely be an offense worthy of termination.
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The purple image on DT's fb profile pic isn't the cover, is it? lol
EDIT: You don't have to answer that ;)
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What an interesting day. Lucien, please don't beat yourself up too much. After all, in a roundabout way, you caused an official rep of Roadrunner to join the forums :) Haha.
@GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB - BTW, it is awesome that DT ended up on a label that truly cares for the band and the music just as much as the fans do. :tup
Haha - they deserve absolutely nothing less. You should have seen when they officially resigned last year. One of our A&R dudes ran out from his office yelling "WE JUST RESIGNED DREAM THEATER!!!" and had a bottle of celebratory whiskey with him. It was a good day.
I would've been more impressed had it been a rare vintage of wine
Haha.. while we do have our sophisticated sides, we're predominately a metal label, after all.
Hahaha, reminded me a joke: What genre is it when a metal band gets drunk and jams? Hard whiskey :neverusethis: :millahhhh
Whiskey in the jar-o
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This could be a good thing, now we have someone at RR to listen to our crazy ideas....like DT on colored vinyl! ;D :metal
That's the most bat-shit crazy thing I've ever heard. Go back to the nuthouse, ya loon.
Might be a good idea...
the new guy is funny. :D :tup Consider this "market research" man! You're in touch with what die-hard DT fans want.
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This could be a good thing, now we have someone at RR to listen to our crazy ideas....like DT on colored vinyl! ;D :metal
That's the most bat-shit crazy thing I've ever heard. Go back to the nuthouse, ya loon.
Might be a good idea...
the new guy is funny. :D :tup Consider this "market research" man! You're in touch with what die-hard DT fans want.
While I genuinely enjoy interacting with fans, one of my majors was marketing so this aspect of the deal isn't lost on me! But don't worry, I'm a fan first!
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Mangini uploaded a new video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3CgIspkXB8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3CgIspkXB8)
It's always great to hear from a master. :tup
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This could be a good thing, now we have someone at RR to listen to our crazy ideas....like DT on colored vinyl! ;D :metal
That's the most bat-shit crazy thing I've ever heard. Go back to the nuthouse, ya loon.
Might be a good idea...
the new guy is funny. :D :tup Consider this "market research" man! You're in touch with what die-hard DT fans want.
While I genuinely enjoy interacting with fans, one of my majors was marketing so this aspect of the deal isn't lost on me! But don't worry, I'm a fan first!
:o
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Roadrunner only hires the top of the crop :metal
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Now that we have someone from RR here, just show us the traklist and the artwork! :D
Of course, just kidding!
Nice to have you here!
As much as I'd like to leak info to you, it would definitely be an offense worthy of termination.
Termination? They would terminate you? Kill yourself first!!! Don't let them take you alive!!! Just kidding of course!!! :tup
B.Lee
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Okay, I've been following this all afternoon in my commuting, and I have to say, this is easily one of the most bizarre and hysterical happenings on Dtf. You guys never let me down.
To GWRTRRFB, welcome, honored to have you around :tup
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:hefdaddy This may be the most epic thread in the history of threads. :corn
Welcome Randy!
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Now that we have someone from RR here, just show us the traklist and the artwork! :D
Of course, just kidding!
Nice to have you here!
As much as I'd like to leak info to you, it would definitely be an offense worthy of termination.
And as much as i'd like to know those informations as soon as possible, it has to be remembered that it's their work, and it's completely up to them to decide when and how we're going to discover new informations about it, and i'm perfectly fine with it.
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Okay, but here is the real question Randy... ........
Have you heard the new album?
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I'm changing my username to "GuyWhoRunsTheWilyCoyoteFB"
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Okay, but here is the real question Randy... ........
Have you heard the new album?
:o
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Okay, but here is the real question Randy... ........
Have you heard the new album?
Can't say that I have. This far out, generally only A&R/product managers would have had access. All assets, but especially music, are pretty heavily guarded for as long as possible.
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Which is perfectly understandable.
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DTF IS MY FACEBOOK!
:metal
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I don't think I have ever expressed my love for DTF as often as today, but it grows even more every time I visit this thread :heart
luv luv luv
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This could be a good thing, now we have someone at RR to listen to our crazy ideas....like DT on colored vinyl! ;D :metal
That's the most bat-shit crazy thing I've ever heard. Go back to the nuthouse, ya loon.
Might be a good idea...
Seriously though, and this probably only applies to me, but the only DT vinyl I have is the new Images & Words because it was colored. The new album being on colored vinyl would be more incentive to buy it. And they are worth it, of course!
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I just want to take a moment to point out how seriously awesome Randy is. Someone tells him on Facebook that a forum hates him, so he decides the join the forum and make friends with everybody. :hefdaddy
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This could be a good thing, now we have someone at RR to listen to our crazy ideas....like DT on colored vinyl! ;D :metal
That's the most bat-shit crazy thing I've ever heard. Go back to the nuthouse, ya loon.
Might be a good idea...
Seriously though, and this probably only applies to me, but the only DT vinyl I have is the new Images & Words because it was colored. The new album being on colored vinyl would be more incentive to buy it.
You mean you don't have a copy of this felt-covered Black Clouds & Silver Linings vinyl box set that's sitting next to me?
Edit: Ampersand.
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I just want to take a moment to point out how seriously awesome Randy is. Someone tells him on Facebook that a forum hates him, so he decides the join the forum and make friends with everybody. :hefdaddy
Only on DTF :coolio
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As a now vinyl collector, I am thinking that this will be a good time to start buying some DT vinyl (clear vinyl is awesome btw).
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I wonder if Randy found out about the MIDI yet :rollin
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Randy, I don't know how many goats you had to sacrifice in order to gain your powers, but somehow you managed to calm the DTF rageswarm. I didn't even think it was possible.
:hefdaddy
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I wonder if Randy found out about the MIDI yet :rollin
:lol
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(clear vinyl is awesome btw).
:tup
No BC&SL vinyl, money was too tight back then.
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This could be a good thing, now we have someone at RR to listen to our crazy ideas....like DT on colored vinyl! ;D :metal
That's the most bat-shit crazy thing I've ever heard. Go back to the nuthouse, ya loon.
Might be a good idea...
Seriously though, and this probably only applies to me, but the only DT vinyl I have is the new Images & Words because it was colored. The new album being on colored vinyl would be more incentive to buy it.
You mean you don't have a copy of this felt-covered Black Clouds & Silver Linings vinyl box set that's sitting next to me?
Edit: Ampersand.
That's exactly why I bought that box. I want to cuddle with it all day everyday.
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Randy, I don't know how many goats you had to sacrifice in order to gain your powers, but somehow you managed to calm the DTF rageswarm. I didn't even think it was possible.
:hefdaddy
I hear that they sometimes bring Randy in to calm down JP when he's hungry.
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Randy, I don't know how many goats you had to sacrifice in order to gain your powers, but somehow you managed to calm the DTF rageswarm. I didn't even think it was possible.
:hefdaddy
37, and 1 pig. Also, one day I will be called upon to do a favor for the Gods. I assume it will not be pretty.
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Randy, I don't know how many goats you had to sacrifice in order to gain your powers, but somehow you managed to calm the DTF rageswarm. I didn't even think it was possible.
:hefdaddy
He less calmed it and instead provoked a distraction via people having the desire to ask questions like "HAVE YOU HEARD THE ALBUM?!"
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Randy, I don't know how many goats you had to sacrifice in order to gain your powers, but somehow you managed to calm the DTF rageswarm. I didn't even think it was possible.
:hefdaddy
I hear that they sometimes bring Randy in to calm down JP when he's hungry.
So Randy is a salmon??
I'm so fucking confused.....
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Randy, I don't know how many goats you had to sacrifice in order to gain your powers, but somehow you managed to calm the DTF rageswarm. I didn't even think it was possible.
:hefdaddy
He less calmed it and instead provoked a distraction via people having the desire to ask questions like "HAVE YOU HEARD THE ALBUM?!"
Woah woah woah, I simply asked the question. I didn't yell it at him! :lol
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RJ, it's now a chocolate layered cake. Get with the times chef! :lol
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Don't make me hungry. You wouldn't like me when I'm hungry.
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Randy, I don't know how many goats you had to sacrifice in order to gain your powers, but somehow you managed to calm the DTF rageswarm. I didn't even think it was possible.
:hefdaddy
I hear that they sometimes bring Randy in to calm down JP when he's hungry.
So Randy is a salmon??
I'm so fucking confused.....
No, you cannot cook him.
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This could be a good thing, now we have someone at RR to listen to our crazy ideas....like DT on colored vinyl! ;D :metal
That's the most bat-shit crazy thing I've ever heard. Go back to the nuthouse, ya loon.
Might be a good idea...
Seriously though, and this probably only applies to me, but the only DT vinyl I have is the new Images & Words because it was colored. The new album being on colored vinyl would be more incentive to buy it.
You mean you don't have a copy of this felt-covered Black Clouds & Silver Linings vinyl box set that's sitting next to me?
Edit: Ampersand.
That's the box set I don't have :'(
I do have the ADTOE one, which is amazing.
Colored vinyl would definitely be awesome!
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Now that we have someone from RR here, just show us the traklist and the artwork! :D
Of course, just kidding!
Nice to have you here!
As much as I'd like to leak info to you, it would definitely be an offense worthy of termination.
a.) Has the final tracklist been decided ?
b.) Has the artwork been decided ?
c.) When can we expect to hear / see either ?
Thank you ! :)
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:lol
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RJ, it's now a chocolate layered cake. Get with the times chef! :lol
So we're talking a magical salmon that turns into a chocolate cake..... and runs RR's FB feed......
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Will this album actually come with bacon?
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Don't make me hungry. You wouldn't like me when I'm hungry.
Vader + Hunger = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw (SFW)
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TELL US ABOUT JOEY JORDISONS SIDE PROJECT !!
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RJ, it's now a chocolate layered cake. Get with the times chef! :lol
SO we're talking a magical salmon that turns into a chocolate cake..... and runs RR's FB feed......
And can calm the waters like he's Moses or something..
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Don't make me hungry. You wouldn't like me when I'm hungry.
Vader + Hunger = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw (SFW)
Funnier than the original.
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RJ, it's now a chocolate layered cake. Get with the times chef! :lol
SO we're talking a magical salmon that turns into a chocolate cake..... and runs RR's FB feed......
And can calm the waters like he's Moses or something..
Yeah, everything seems in order here.
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Don't make me hungry. You wouldn't like me when I'm hungry.
Oh yeah!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nz9-NWdsis
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I wonder if Randy found out about the MIDI yet :rollin
Or about us using the CSI filter to be able to read the lyrics in one of the studio photos :lol
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Will this album actually come with bacon?
Bacon makes everything better, though combined with chocolate cake ???
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Hey guys, I thought we said we'd try to act normal when a guest stops by? ;)
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I wonder if Randy found out about the MIDI yet :rollin
Or about us using the CSI filter to be able to read the lyrics in one of the studio photos :lol
..say what?
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Will this album actually come with bacon?
Bacon makes everything better, though combined with chocolate cake ???
That's the charm of prog.
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I wonder if Randy found out about the MIDI yet :rollin
Or about us using the CSI filter to be able to read the lyrics in one of the studio photos :lol
..say what?
You just opened a can of worms. :lol
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I wonder if Randy found out about the MIDI yet :rollin
Or about us using the CSI filter to be able to read the lyrics in one of the studio photos :lol
..say what?
Well, do you remember when I said 'crazy obsessed fans'?
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I wonder if Randy found out about the MIDI yet :rollin
Or about us using the CSI filter to be able to read the lyrics in one of the studio photos :lol
..say what?
SHIT JUST GOT REAL :omg: :omg:
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It begins...
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Will this album actually come with bacon?
Bacon makes everything better, though combined with chocolate cake ???
It's actually better than you think it is.
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Hey guys, I thought we said we'd try to act normal when a guest stops by? ;)
This seems pretty normal for this nut house! :lol
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I wonder if Randy found out about the MIDI yet :rollin
Or about us using the CSI filter to be able to read the lyrics in one of the studio photos :lol
..say what?
Well, do you remember when I said 'crazy obsessed fans'?
Indeed I do...
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:corn
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Great, for once.....i'm off from DTF for one day and all hell breaks lose.......goddammit! :(
Big warm fuzzy welcome, RR guy! :tup Now we even have an inside source!! Which of course leads to the questions.....title and tracklist?
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/tard.gif)
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Btw I can't find that lyrics picture anywhere. Does anyone have it?
Oh, and welcome RRR! (RoadRunnerRandy - I'm coining that!)
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Well, randy, listen to this:
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mid
One of our members (BlobVanDam) took an image from the DT studio video which was a computer screen with a MIDI sheet on it. Basically he made it for us.
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:corn
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Yeah, Fatal Tragedy put the midi together from a screencap in the video. BVD uploaded it to his server for everyone's access. Here's the post:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35260.msg1589738#msg1589738
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Well, randy, listen to this:
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mid
One of our members (BlobVanDam) took an image from the DT studio video which was a computer screen with a MIDI sheet on it. Basically he made it for us.
You guys realize I'm going to have to pull that down and possibly take legal action right? Not trying to be a meanie, but it is my job.
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:corn :corn :corn :corn
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And that's the story of how all of DTF froze up in fear simultaniously within a few minutes.
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:omg:
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Great DTF....now we're getting sued! Learn to hush dammit!!
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:corn :corn :corn :corn
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And that's the story of how all of DTF froze up in fear simultaniously within a few minutes.
;) Just kidding guys! That's incredible!
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Does this mean I can come out of my nuclear bunker now?
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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
This day has been an emotional roller coaster!
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And that's the story of how all of DTF froze up in fear simultaniously within a few minutes.
;) Just kidding guys! That's incredible!
...I genuinely couldn't tell!
Fucking hell, my heart!! Terrifying. Well played.
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And that's the story of how all of DTF froze up in fear simultaniously within a few minutes.
;) Just kidding guys! That's incredible!
:jawdrop: :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :lol :lol :lol
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I like you, Randy.
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Okay, I vote Randy for forum president! :metal
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And that's the story of how all of DTF froze up in fear simultaniously within a few minutes.
;) Just kidding guys! That's incredible!
haha, nice one mate - I think everybody reading this thread collectively held their breath!!!
:lol
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:lol That even scared me, and I wasn't involved!
I even thought "Well, no more in-studio videos!"
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Guys he was obviously joking. :lol
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And that's the story of how all of DTF froze up in fear simultaniously within a few minutes.
;) Just kidding guys! That's incredible!
You'll fit right in! :metal
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Randy, I hope you stick around. You make this place more awesome.
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Randy, I hope you stick around. You make this place more awesome.
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:lol That even scared me, and I wasn't involved!
I even thought "Well, no more in-studio videos!"
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Randy, I hope you stick around. You make this place more awesome.
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^ pretty much what these guys have said.
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Randy, I hope you stick around. You make this place more awesome.
D'aww.. thanks guys!
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now tell us more about this Joey Jordison side project ! ;D
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What Robb said, very well played. Actually Randy, you have to understand that many fogeys populate this boards, so you may not want to pose another serious threat to their coronaries in the near future. :biggrin:
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You know, after all this talk, I think I'm gonna check out Joey Jordison's new project. Who knows, I might like it.
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DTF. We do know Llamas.
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Guys guys, let Randy have a break here, we'll scare him right out of the forum. I know exactly what's been going on in the studio and I'm making a comic book about it, prompted by Blob's and bosk's efforts. Here's an exclusive excerpt for DTF:
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/3dc51bb553d93e04f615c1fe65db27e0/tumblr_morfx7uSpa1qbqjqvo1_1280.jpg)(https://25.media.tumblr.com/114319ecf9d9d380af97247adbb3b9bc/tumblr_morfx7uSpa1qbqjqvo2_1280.jpg)
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/9d8d5e187ea11aa5f08ffe64d0fe3033/tumblr_morfx7uSpa1qbqjqvo3_1280.jpg)(https://25.media.tumblr.com/418a6fa88fc616710a828d187ac9d8fe/tumblr_morfx7uSpa1qbqjqvo4_1280.jpg)
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/e7f6efde0b0a6ba82ff9da5ce158b425/tumblr_morfx7uSpa1qbqjqvo5_r1_1280.jpg)(https://24.media.tumblr.com/5820020ea59d6cc1ad5b8c080b030d0f/tumblr_morfx7uSpa1qbqjqvo6_1280.jpg)
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:lol :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :rollin
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"Can't wait to F# all over it." :rollin :rollin
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Holy shit :lol :lol
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:clap:
Randy, you should take a look here if you want to see more impressive detective work :D https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35260.2170
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Welp, this has been the best day at DTF for as long as I can remember! How's it going Randy? Kinda cool to see a marketing dude here! I'm going to school for Marketing right now, so it's pretty cool to see what could possibly be doing in my future! Anyway yeah, I love you DTF, thanks for an interesting browse today! :tup
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Anyways, I saw this on Amazon and thought it would be nice to show you guys
https://www.amazon.com/Degrees-Inner-Turbulence-Dream-Theater/dp/B00CFFT7U2/
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:clap:
Randy, you should take a look here if you want to see more impressive detective work :D https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35260.2170
It starts here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35260.msg1565865#msg1565865
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:clap:
Randy, you should take a look here if you want to see more impressive detective work :D https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35260.2170
Wow, hadn't seen that!. What about the other picture with the chorus of another song? Something about an"enemy within" or sthing...
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What Robb said, very well played. Actually Randy, you have to understand that many fogeys populate this boards, so you may not want to pose another serious threat to their coronaries in the near future. :biggrin:
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...........medic....
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Anyways, I saw this on Amazon and thought it would be nice to show you guys
https://www.amazon.com/Degrees-Inner-Turbulence-Dream-Theater/dp/B00CFFT7U2/
There's another thread discussing this already.
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Welp, this has been the best day at DTF for as long as I can remember! How's it going Randy? Kinda cool to see a marketing dude here! I'm going to school for Marketing right now, so it's pretty cool to see what could possibly be doing in my future! Anyway yeah, I love you DTF, thanks for an interesting browse today! :tup
Haha, this is just the tip of the iceberg, man. Day's going well, even though I'm the last one in the office!
BTW - you guys are way more obsessed than I thought you were.
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Oh okay.
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Welp, this has been the best day at DTF for as long as I can remember! How's it going Randy? Kinda cool to see a marketing dude here! I'm going to school for Marketing right now, so it's pretty cool to see what could possibly be doing in my future! Anyway yeah, I love you DTF, thanks for an interesting browse today! :tup
Haha, this is just the tip of the iceberg, man. Day's going well, even though I'm the last one in the office!
BTW - you guys are way more obsessed than I thought you were.
You don't know the half of it.
Edit - Correction - we will never be as obsessed as TOOL fans.
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Welp, this has been the best day at DTF for as long as I can remember! How's it going Randy? Kinda cool to see a marketing dude here! I'm going to school for Marketing right now, so it's pretty cool to see what could possibly be doing in my future! Anyway yeah, I love you DTF, thanks for an interesting browse today! :tup
Haha, this is just the tip of the iceberg, man. Day's going well, even though I'm the last one in the office!
BTW - you guys are way more obsessed than I thought you were.
You don't know the half of it.
Edit - Correction - we will never be as obsessed as TOOL fans.
At this point, I'd imagine that the only Tool fans left are the obsessed ones.
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:clap:
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And now I shall proceed to speculate dates of tracklist release and days of single release
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Tomorrow. >:( >:( >:(
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And now I shall proceed to speculate dates of tracklist release and days of single release
And I will chuckle to myself if/when you are way off :hat
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And now I shall proceed to speculate dates of tracklist release and days of single release
And I will chuckle to myself if/when you are way off :hat
Dream Theater - September 24th.
Go ahead . Tell me i'm wrong.
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And now I shall proceed to speculate dates of tracklist release and days of single release
And I will chuckle to myself if/when you are way off :hat
Like a boss :RJ:
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And now I shall proceed to speculate dates of tracklist release and days of single release
And I will chuckle to myself if/when you are way off :hat
Dream Theater - September 24th.
Go ahead . Tell me i'm wrong.
We gave you that one!
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And now I shall proceed to speculate dates of tracklist release and days of single release
And I will chuckle to myself if/when you are way off :hat
I suppose that implies that you know exactly when for both of those dates. ;D
I'll wait.
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And now I shall proceed to speculate dates of tracklist release and days of single release
And I will chuckle to myself if/when you are way off :hat
Dream Theater - September 24th.
Go ahead . Tell me i'm wrong.
Is "soon" a date?
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Another thought: since it's a double vinyl, have both records in the set two different colors. A UK band I like released double 7" singles years ago, one vinyl was black, one was colored. Just throwing it out there.
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Just do a wintersun and release three songs plus two short interludes in September and the rest one and a half years later.
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Just do a wintersun and release three songs plus two short interludes in September and the rest one and a half years later.
Or to keep everyone rabid, how about one song a month. Just one.
I almost feel evil even suggesting that.
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Guys, stop giving him ideas, k?
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Just do a wintersun and release three songs plus two short interludes in September and the rest one and a half years later.
Or to keep everyone rabid, how about one song a month. Just one.
I almost feel evil even suggesting that.
I can live with that one if you agree to start from next month pls ;)
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And now I shall proceed to speculate dates of tracklist release and days of single release
And I will chuckle to myself if/when you are way off :hat
Dream Theater - September 24th.
Go ahead . Tell me i'm wrong.
We gave you that one!
Oh Sure. You say that now !
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More ideas (sorry lonestar):
HD version of the album to download
Individual instrument stems for the album. We like to do remixes.
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More ideas (sorry lonestar):
HD version of the album to download
Individual instrument stems for the album. We like to do remixes.
Pretty sure we've done this one before, no?
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Well, the HD version of ADTOE was made available through HD Tracks some time after the album was released, but it would be cool to have it available upon release this time, unless it's already planned. And yes, bring on the stems again :D
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As long as there's a nice creative deluxe edition of the album, I'll give you guys my money, no problem. Like I said I love the BCSL deluxe box, and I like albums that have a special edition that's actually special.
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More ideas (sorry lonestar):
HD version of the album to download
Individual instrument stems for the album. We like to do remixes.
Pretty sure we've done this one before, no?
I know what's not been done before !
In-studio play thru of entire album ! ;D ;D
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As long as there's a nice creative deluxe edition of the album, I'll give you guys my money, no problem. Like I said I love the BCSL deluxe box, and I like albums that have a special edition that's actually special.
+1
I don't buy standard editions of albums anymore.
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LEAVE THE MAN ALONE! :lol
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JUS LET HIM BREATHE !
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JUS LET HIM BREATHE !
Seriously. I can barely concentrate with all of these awesome ideas that are going to make me look great to my bosses flying around. SLOW DOWN!
Haha ;)
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JUS LET HIM BREATHE !
Seriously. I can barely concentrate with all of these awesome ideas that are going to make me look great to my bosses flying around. SLOW DOWN!
Haha ;)
Randy, glad to see you here!!! you're awesome!!
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I like the live in the studio idea.. And of course the stems because JR can NEVER be mixed loud enough for me!!!
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I like the live in the studio idea.. And of course the stems because JR can NEVER be mixed loud enough for me!!!
With this, are you guys talking about a YouTube live event or something of the sort? Where the band can comment on each song beforehand?
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I like the live in the studio idea.. And of course the stems because JR can NEVER be mixed loud enough for me!!!
With this, are you guys talking about a YouTube live event or something of the sort? Where the band can comment on each song beforehand?
Maybe ! I was thinking something like St, Anger's rehearsal DVD.
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That kinda reminds me what JP and JLB did with ADTOE, where they kinda gave an explanation about each song before the album came out. I thought that was really cool and it totally built the anticipation for me tenfold!
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Well, a Live In The Studio DVD with the additional band commentary would be something beyond awesome IMO. :caffeine:
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Well, a Live In The Studio DVD with the additional band commentary would be something beyond awesome IMO. :caffeine:
THIS!!!!
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Those all sound great. I was thinking like a Jammit thing (which idk if I should say this, but I ran into a guy wearing a DT shirt when I was at Chipotle, and it turned out he worked at Jammit. He didn't not say nothing that wasn't about Dream Theater...)
But yea, something like that or a live Youtube event (but it should still be recorded and released later!!!) where the band can play a show to a virtual audience and even read comments projected on a big screen or something as they're playing would be awesome.
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Well, a Live In The Studio DVD with the additional band commentary would be something beyond awesome IMO. :caffeine:
THIS!!!!
:tup :metal DT12 Studio Session DVD!!! Good warm-up for the tour too!
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Yeah, or even just one song live in the studio would be cool. I know Mark Tremonti's solo project did two or three songs like that and uploaded it to youtube. They turned out really cool and it ended up hyping the fans for the debut album like crazy.
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One thing is sure, I really like that guy. Things turn out to be entertaining. :rollin Good to have you here. :tup
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Yeah, or even just one song live in the studio would be cool. I know Mark Tremonti's solo project did two or three songs like that and uploaded it to youtube. They turned out really cool and it ended up hyping the fans for the debut album like crazy.
Yea, good idea, the first single and a couple of other tracks, or some tour rehearsal vids.
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Man, I loved the last ten pages. :lol
Welcome aboard, Randy, you're doing an amazing job. :tup
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Well, a Live In The Studio DVD with the additional band commentary would be something beyond awesome IMO. :caffeine:
Actually, I would love that more than anything because correct me if i'm wrong but DT has never done something like that, right? A studio run through of the new album would be beyond amazing, infact I would take that over a new live DVD.
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Alright guys, it's about time for me to leave the office! It was nice meeting all of you and we'll chat soon! ;D :metal
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You made our day Randy. Take care. :metal
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Because I like lurking (even if I'm a member) I've just kept reading the last pages and man, what a bizarre world we live in. I think that we can have some nice synergy here, Randy. You can calm us down or heat it up when needed, you get information and ideas from the fandom. Also I think we're all up for laughs :lol
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Thank you Randy, you set DTF on fire today. See you and have a take care! :2metal:
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Actually, I would love that more than anything because correct me if i'm wrong but DT has never done something like that, right? A studio run through of the new album would be beyond amazing, infact I would take that over a new live DVD.
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I addressed this in my response on Facebook. Am I guilty of perhaps not thinking through the initial comment? Yes. Deliberately misleading people? Certainly not. I take my job, our image, and our bands very seriously and doing something like that would be totally against my integrity.
By the way - hi guys!
A lot of FB pages of that size wouldn't even give a response to comments, so I think that says a lot about your commitment right there. :tup
I hope you don't take this incident as a negative reflection on our community. We're just a diehard group of fans, and the lead up to every new album is our Christmas Eve, and we're the kind of kids who like to sneak downstairs, find the presents, and shake them to figure out what's inside. Some people just shook this one too hard. :P
Yeah, I get it; I work for Roadrunner for a reason! ;) That's also why I'm so serious about our image/bands.. this stuff is what I'm passionate about, so don't you tell me I was trying to do something shady with it!!!!
(https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/call-me-maybe-1.jpg?w=500)
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Yeah, some live in studio video would be awesome. I've seen Brian Culbertson and Jamiroquai do it, and I really like the concept. It gives a somewhat live feeling while sounding absolutely amazing.
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I just happily read so many pages, unbelievable. ;D
Looking forward to what the future brings.
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/scar-the-martyr-20130621
Here's the article.
Love how people are ignoring this or dissing it, even though it involves members from Strapping Young Lad, Nine Inch Nails, and Darkest Hour. People should realize Dream Theater are one great band in a sea of other great bands and should tone down the intesity for news a little bit.
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I've seen Brian Culbertson and Jamiroquai do it, and I really like the concept.
Ah you mean this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkmeeYyiC34
I love it! :heart
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WOW that was a fun read! went to sleep and woke up to find 11 or so new pages in this thread!
which made me even MORE curious to read on when the "announcement" we were anticipating wasn't a DT announcement but a Joey Jordison announcement.... :metal :metal :metal :metal
:rollin
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/scar-the-martyr-20130621
Here's the article.
Love how people are ignoring this or dissing it, even though it involves members from Strapping Young Lad, Nine Inch Nails, and Darkest Hour. People should realize Dream Theater are one great band in a sea of other great bands and should tone down the intesity for news a little bit.
yeah you're absolutely right... HOWEVER this IS the DT in the studio thread in the Dream Theater index of threads... just super saiyan'
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I don't know why.
(https://i41.tinypic.com/o558n5.jpg)
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WOW that was a fun read! went to sleep and woke up to find 11 or so new pages in this thread!
which made me even MORE curious to read on when the "announcement" we were anticipating wasn't a DT announcement but a Joey Jordison announcement.... :metal :metal :metal :metal
:rollin
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/scar-the-martyr-20130621
Here's the article.
Love how people are ignoring this or dissing it, even though it involves members from Strapping Young Lad, Nine Inch Nails, and Darkest Hour. People should realize Dream Theater are one great band in a sea of other great bands and should tone down the intesity for news a little bit.
yeah you're absolutely right... HOWEVER this IS the DT in the studio thread in the Dream Theater index of threads... just super saiyan'
All I'm getting at is how it's hilarious how people reacted, like what the actual announcement was was something laughable and horrible, when it's VERY far from it. That's all.
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WOW that was a fun read! went to sleep and woke up to find 11 or so new pages in this thread!
which made me even MORE curious to read on when the "announcement" we were anticipating wasn't a DT announcement but a Joey Jordison announcement.... :metal :metal :metal :metal
:rollin
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/scar-the-martyr-20130621
Here's the article.
Love how people are ignoring this or dissing it, even though it involves members from Strapping Young Lad, Nine Inch Nails, and Darkest Hour. People should realize Dream Theater are one great band in a sea of other great bands and should tone down the intesity for news a little bit.
yeah you're absolutely right... HOWEVER this IS the DT in the studio thread in the Dream Theater index of threads... just super saiyan'
All I'm getting at is how it's hilarious how people reacted, like what the actual announcement was was something laughable and horrible, when it's VERY far from it. That's all.
For the record, I posted this because before I did, it seemed people didn't know what the actual announcement was. I realized it wasn't about DT, but I figured people should read the full announcement, so everyone was on the same page, as it were.
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Oh man, I wasn't aiming my comments at you in any way! :lol
I'm sorry it seemed like that, your post just had the announcement and I thought that was the best thing to quote.
Once again, sorry about that, I didn't mean to make you think I was pointing my finger at you.
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Oh man, I wasn't aiming my comments at you in any way! :lol
I'm sorry it seemed like that, your post just had the announcement and I thought that was the best thing to quote.
Once again, sorry about that, I didn't mean to make you think I was pointing my finger at you.
I appreciate that, DC... It's been a rather eventful day on DTF. What Atmyne was saying is pretty much true though. I posted a non-DT announcement on the DT thread, so I thought THEY were admonishing me for that. I think what I did was only in the interest of clearing things up for those I thought may not understand what the actual announcement was. I don't think you were pointing fingers. Just wanted to be clear for everyone.
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If DT are bent on doing things they haven't done before, how about a 3D cover like Megadeth did with SuperCollider?
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If DT are bent on doing things they haven't done before, how about a 3D cover like Megadeth did with SuperCollider?
because that would be stupid.
which is why megadeth did it.
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If DT are bent on doing things they haven't done before, how about a 3D cover like Megadeth did with SuperCollider?
because that would be stupid.
which is why megadeth did it.
:corn
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Kiss did that back in the 90's. It's been 20 years, folks, DT can do better than that.
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If DT are bent on doing things they haven't done before, how about a 3D cover like Megadeth did with SuperCollider?
Only if the album doesn't suck like SC did.
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Man, this thread moves fast!
RR guy is a most worthy addition to our pretty purple VIP club. :D
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Man, this thread moves fast!
RR guy is a most worthy addition to our pretty purple VIP club. :D
Eren should be VIP too! He's worked with JR and DT on the new album! He told me that sooner or later he will come back here and discuss his experience, likely upon the release of the album. That would be great, to interact with someone who worked directly on a part od the release! :)
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Typical Marco... you give him a finger, and he wants the whole hand. :\
J/K, you're awesome. :-*
In other news, holy shit the last pages of this thread. Hi Randy!
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Man, this thread moves fast!
RR guy is a most worthy addition to our pretty purple VIP club. :D
Eren should be VIP too! He's worked with JR and DT on the new album! He told me that sooner or later he will come back here and discuss his experience, likely upon the release of the album. That would be great, to interact with someone who worked directly on a part od the release! :)
Wasn't he also in one of Jordan Rudess' vlog kind of videos? :biggrin:
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Wow! This was crazy :lol
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Typical DTF. Thread goes from so-so to pathetic to epic.
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I enjoyed watching Lucien put his foot in not once but twice and all the awkward posts that came with it! :corn
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Typical DTF. Thread goes from so-so to pathetic to epic.
yeah, we are so pathepic! ;D
B.Lee
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I was gone to my sister all day yesterday, and all kinds of shenanigans broke loose here :lol
Love you lots, DTF :heybaby:
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Man, this thread moves fast!
RR guy is a most worthy addition to our pretty purple VIP club. :D
Eren should be VIP too! He's worked with JR and DT on the new album! He told me that sooner or later he will come back here and discuss his experience, likely upon the release of the album. That would be great, to interact with someone who worked directly on a part od the release! :)
Mr Blob should be too, he worked with the wizard. That's VIP written all over that shit! :millahhhh
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Finally finished reading through all of the last 10 or so pages. What a read.
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(https://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t626/eosforum/dt02_zps122f6382.jpg) (https://s1317.photobucket.com/user/eosforum/media/dt02_zps122f6382.jpg.html)
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OFMG, can't believe I read through 15 pages now :O
And also missed all the action.
That's it, I'll never sleep again as long as I am a DTF member.
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no kidding, me too. So RR runs the RR facebook page :biggrin:
Late to the game but I still want to say . . . Welcome Randy!
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Well, that was fun interesting reading. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Welcome to DTF, RR! :hefdaddy
That ranked up there with the Peter Wildoer Cameo around the release of the new drummer. EPIC.
Although, RR is probably just working in the mailroom as an intern.
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(https://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t626/eosforum/dt02_zps122f6382.jpg) (https://s1317.photobucket.com/user/eosforum/media/dt02_zps122f6382.jpg.html)
:rollin
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I enjoyed watching Lucien put his foot in not once but twice and all the awkward posts that came with it! :corn
Which indirectly brought us a Roadrunner representative
Well, something good came out of it
:corn
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(https://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t626/eosforum/dt10_zpsa0369c22.jpg) (https://s1317.photobucket.com/user/eosforum/media/dt10_zpsa0369c22.jpg.html)
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I fully expect to see a dead rabbit on the next DT album cover.
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(https://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t626/eosforum/dt10_zpsa0369c22.jpg) (https://s1317.photobucket.com/user/eosforum/media/dt10_zpsa0369c22.jpg.html)
:lol
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I enjoyed watching Wilson put his foot in not once but twice and all the awkward posts that came with it! :corn
Fix'd
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Remember those friends of yours that would never let go of the time you threw up in their mom's car?
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Or the time you went into the girls bathroom by mistake in 5th grade....
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Or the time you left your kids in a room watching Watership Down...
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I gave my kid the book before she ever saw the movie. :)
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Best 10 pages I've ever read! :omg:
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:lol
It was quite an entertaining afternoon, that's for sure..
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I was thinking... wouldn't be less complicated if we simply announce the announcement rather than announcing that there would be an announcement and then announce that the announcement is postponed and than ..... :justjen whatever ... just thinkin ...
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I was thinking... wouldn't be less complicated if we simply announce the announcement rather than announcing that there would be an announcement and then announce that the announcement is postponed and than ..... :justjen whatever ... just thinkin ...
well no because you would notice the notices about DT noticing the notices they notice about the announcing of announcements pertaining to announcement notices announcing impending notice announcements.
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I was thinking... wouldn't be less complicated if we simply announce the announcement rather than announcing that there would be an announcement and then announce that the announcement is postponed and than ..... :justjen whatever ... just thinkin ...
well no because you would notice the notices about DT noticing the notices they notice about the announcing of announcements pertaining to announcement notices announcing impending notice announcements.
Was that supposed to make sense
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This thread is making me :psychosane:
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Was that supposed to make sense
haha not really. :facepalm:
This thread is making me :psychosane:
go mothaF#ing psychosane?
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1 more post and I'll end up at 600 even
EDIT: it doesn't matter :P
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:bosk1:
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Lol :bosk1:
There isn't much to talk about anymore...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEKTNtmKZEw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad_chktqWLo
I think I'm going to watch Watership Down
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From DT FB:
John, Rich and Jordan at the mix sessions!
(https://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t626/eosforum/17511_10151446341817181_1179646012_n_zpse770ae14.jpg) (https://s1317.photobucket.com/user/eosforum/media/17511_10151446341817181_1179646012_n_zpse770ae14.jpg.html)
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John suddenly has a ponytail
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(https://i.imagebanana.com/img/qs5s6903/IMG_20130622_075358.jpg)
this looks weird as hell
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Looks like a mobster.
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Grizzly Mobster.
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I'm still curious about what could have happened that caused the delay with that announcement. It didn't seem like a big deal, you know?
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John suddenly has a ponytail
The first bear with ponytail in the history.
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John suddenly has a ponytail
The first bear with ponytail in the history.
I don't know about that. I'm sure that someone out there somewhere has put a ponytail on a bear before. Whether in wig form, or in little clump of fur form.
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Hell, in the 80's all bears had mullets.
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:lolpalm:
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I'm still curious about what could have happened that caused the delay with that announcement. It didn't seem like a big deal, you know?
Could be the ink wasn't dry on the contract. One of the members was holding out for some reason. RR hadn't given Randy the ok to go public yet. RR could like to announce things in the morning instead of late in the day... Many things could have postponed it. Though you're right, in retrospect, it wasn't exactly a momentous announcement.
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(https://i.imgur.com/4JDn7RL.jpg)
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So, I'm gone for a week, and I'm getting ready for my 21st birthday (which is today, btw :angel:). I decide to go on DTF to check up on the responses to the MIDI I transcribed, and then I read the following from one of the RoadRunner crew...
Well, randy, listen to this:
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mid
One of our members (BlobVanDam) took an image from the DT studio video which was a computer screen with a MIDI sheet on it. Basically he made it for us.
You guys realize I'm going to have to pull that down and possibly take legal action right? Not trying to be a meanie, but it is my job.
My reaction thus consisted of the following:
:huh:
:|
...and then I proceeded to shit myself
:lol
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So, I'm gone for a week, and I'm getting ready for my 21st birthday (which is today, btw :angel:). I decide to go on DTF to check up on the responses to the MIDI I transcribed, and then I read the following from one of the RoadRunner crew...
Well, randy, listen to this:
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mid
One of our members (BlobVanDam) took an image from the DT studio video which was a computer screen with a MIDI sheet on it. Basically he made it for us.
You guys realize I'm going to have to pull that down and possibly take legal action right? Not trying to be a meanie, but it is my job.
My reaction thus consisted of the following:
:huh:
:|
...and then I proceeded to shit myself
:lol
:rollin
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Happy Birthday!!!!
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Happy birthday and thanks for the MIDI :)
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happy birthday... whoever it is who is having their birthday! :/
Have a piece of rich, moist chocolate cake!
(https://disseminatedthought.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/chocolate-cake.jpg)
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happy birthday... whoever it is who is having their birthday! :/
Have a piece of rich, moist chocolate cake!
(https://disseminatedthought.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/chocolate-cake.jpg)
Hopefully Petrucci's guitar will sound like this on the new album.
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Close, not enough layers though....
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mmcweEg0Uy0/TgTvV-bwDkI/AAAAAAAAAEU/iwWeNjxPMwQ/s1600/IMG_4391.JPG)
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:drool:
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Close, not enough layers though....
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mmcweEg0Uy0/TgTvV-bwDkI/AAAAAAAAAEU/iwWeNjxPMwQ/s1600/IMG_4391.JPG)
:O
So that's how he... :omg: :omg: :omg:
(https://i.imgur.com/AElOguq.jpg)
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No man could possibly eat that whole cake and survive :omg:
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No man could possibly eat that whole cake and survive :omg:
Who needs to survive when you have such a delicious cake?
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No man could possibly eat that whole cake and survive :omg:
What about a bear?
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That first cake looked good. That big one only looks disgusting..
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No man could possibly eat that whole cake and survive :omg:
Everyone survived?
rooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrr
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No man could possibly eat that whole cake and survive :omg:
Everyone survived?
rooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrr
No more creaming,
No one slices
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Cake In the studio again!
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There's 12 layers on that cake - this is their 12th full length album!
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NUGGETZ!!
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The missing part of the cake roughly amounts to 1/8 of the full cake. The angle is therefore π/8. The remaining angle is 15/8 π, 5*1=5 so it's 5/8 OMG NUGGETZ.!!!5!8!1!1 :omg:
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JP did say he was going to layer his guitars. Everybody has cake envy.
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Now he just needs to start using an 8-string
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Happy dreamtheaterish and petruccistic Birthday:
(https://up.vatanpix.ir/img/mive/12.jpg)
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This thread is making me hungry, and I just had a fulfilling lunch :D
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You know what all of these cakes are missing? White chocolate.
(https://cdn.taste.com.au/images/recipes/del/2010/04/24645_l.jpg)
There's 7 truffles on top of that cake, which means there's 7 songs on the new album, 7 parts to each song. nUgg3tZ!!1
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...and JP will play 7-string guitar on each of them.
NUGGET OVERLOAD!!!!!!!!!111!
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I really need the tracklist and the artwork.
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I really need the tracklist and the artwork.
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I really need the tracklist and the artwork.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3CgIspkXB8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g5tI2V_9m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzrICiDlE_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdtvaPP04c
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdtvaPP04c&t=33
Bad Larry :omg:
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I wonder if Mangini watches his HDTV at the same angle he films on his iPhone.
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...and JP will play 7-string guitar on each of them.
NUGGET OVERLOAD!!!!!!!!!111!
That's actually possible. I guess this time more than half of the album will be played on a 7-string.
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I really need the tracklist and the artwork.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdtvaPP04c&t=33
Bad Larry :omg:
Chocolate cake drums.
DT12 will be the first PCM album ever (Progressive Chocolate Metal).
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/c652410d0d278343c078d5f3f451643e/tumblr_mfwged4zN21s1zyafo1_500.gif)
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FORGED IN THE TUPPERWARE BOWL OF NIGHT !!!!
err...
...with the grotesque creature's spatula.....
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By the way, here is a quick preview of the tracklist:
(https://25.media.tumblr.com/52874744b6d92cf30cae50ccb980f276/tumblr_mjrg71Ps1I1s591tdo1_500.gif)
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By the way, here is a quick preview of the tracklist:
(https://25.media.tumblr.com/52874744b6d92cf30cae50ccb980f276/tumblr_mjrg71Ps1I1s591tdo1_500.gif)
Haha ! :biggrin: :biggrin:
More proof that this is a Double ( Chocolate ) Album !
And that the purple refers to " The Spatula Song ".
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I'm gaining three pounds just by reading this thread.
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I'm gaining three pounds just by reading this thread.
i'm losing three pounds !!!
( I spent it all on chocolate )
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:icy:
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:footloose:
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New DT heart:
(https://s3.argim.net/files/s/corazon_de_chocolate.gif)
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I think JR had a huge role in the writing of this album. Baded solely on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUacfF7kzJw&t=11
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But is it dark, milk or white chocolate?
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I think JR had a huge role in the writing of this album. Baded solely on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUacfF7kzJw&t=11
Filmed On the road from DC to Boston! I think MP may have bought a t shirt too.
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I think JR had a huge role in the writing of this album. Baded solely on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUacfF7kzJw&t=11
More and older evidence (5:04):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VXTp2pFj9dg#t=304s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3CgIspkXB8
I wonder how this will change his tooooone on the new album?
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John suddenly has a ponytail
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2q9cifq.jpg)
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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:lol :rollin :corn
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:lol
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(https://i.imagebanana.com/img/qs5s6903/IMG_20130622_075358.jpg)
(https://i.imagebanana.com/img/ddnwxvxm/dt17.jpg)
luv those two :heart
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Homer walking around Cove City:
(https://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/bloguploads/simpsons-chocolate-dog.gif)
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my god... not sure if I'm responsible for turning this into the chocolate cake thread but holy hell
:rollin :corn
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:lol :lol :lol :lol at that Rush/DT picture. :tup :tup
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He was in Cove City yesterday, saw the artwork and listened all songs :metal
(https://doblekarma.com/wp-content/uploads/imagenes/chocolate002.gif)
Lucky bastard.
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:lol
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He was in Cove City yesterday, saw the artwork and listened all songs :metal
(https://doblekarma.com/wp-content/uploads/imagenes/chocolate002.gif)
Lucky bastard.
13 + 72 = 85
NUGGETS :eek
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:lol I love you, DTF. :heart
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He was in Cove City yesterday, saw the artwork and listened all songs :metal
(https://doblekarma.com/wp-content/uploads/imagenes/chocolate002.gif)
Lucky bastard.
13 + 72 = 85
NUGGETS :eek
Soooooo.... As far as Octavarium goes.... Simpsons did it?
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Awake is based on Spiderman - Octavarium is based on The Simpsons. That must be it.
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Brown must be the predominant color in the artwork.
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Images & Words foresaw the craze of the internet meme.
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John suddenly has a ponytail
(https://i43.tinypic.com/2q9cifq.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :metal
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And Richard Chycki is buried deep beneath the surface:
(https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.7589768.3812/flat,550x550,075,f.jpg)
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"Emerald thoughts flow through my consciousness...."
(https://www.sullivanvitamins.com/images/531407.gif)
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Dream Theater 12 :
When Cream And Cake Unite.
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Dream Theater: A Cake
with songs like
- Chocomania
- Eating chocolate off a teen
-(Chocolate)-Barred
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Chocolate-Dye Cake
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DT12: Chocolate Infinity.
(https://i0.wp.com/www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/never-ending-chocolate.gif?w=640)
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- Eating chocolate off a teen
shit :lol
Chocolate-Dye Cake
:drool:
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Chocolate-Dye Cake
:drool:
"Love is a slice of cake and I'm starving..."
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Let's not forget the new single A Fortune In Pies
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A Fake Chocolate!
Through The Melting Cake
The Cocoa Factory
The Chocobese Youth
Chocolate Tautology
etc.
:angel:
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- Eating chocolate off a teen
Aw god I lol'd so hard
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Dream Theater: A Cake
with songs like
- Eating chocolate off a teen
Cover tune. I know.
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Learning to eat.
Caught in a cake.
Cake`s kitchen.
Take away my cake.
One last pie.
Blind cake.
The great chocolate.
Solitary cake.
The cake that stumped them all.
A chocolate to remember.
The cake of times.
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This thread is now simultaneously killing my time and my diet.
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- Eating chocolate off a teen
Hey now, we don't want the feds shutting us down. :police: Let's be careful.
The boxed version of DT12 will come with a plastic fork.
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"I turned around, saw a light shining through
The fridge door was wiiiiide open.....*burp*"
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GOSH DANGIT DTF
I wake up and have to catch up with 4 pages of thread, and it's nothing but pictures of chocolate cake? Not fair!
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All right, since we're doing this....
Another Cake
Cake The Time
Cake For Sleep
A Change Of Filling
Beyond This Slice
The Dessert Carries On
Stream Of Chocolate
In The Name Of Cake
The Cake Lies Within
Pastry Attack
The Dark Eternal Chocolate
The Cake of Tuscany
Breaking All Diets
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Cake The Time
Surely Cake the Thyme, no?
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Surely Cake the Thyme, no?
Ah yes, definitely more appopriate.
And let's not forget classics like:
A Fortune In Pies
Light Candles and Get Away
The Ones Who Help To Bake The Cake
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Six Layers of Chocolate Decadence
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I wrote lyrics for a Constant Motion parody a while back called Chocolate Muffin (in the style of Weird Al). I REALLY never thought there would be an appropriate time to post it, but DTF moves in mysterious ways...
This nutrition, a blinding feat
On this plate, in front of me
You know I just can't wait to eat
And fill up this hole
They're all sitting there in a bowl
Resisting eating them is getting old
Tasty impulse of food desire
I want to chew it all
I tried to scoff it down
But I ran out of stuff
No matter what I've found
I can never eat enough
Frantic eating of confectionery
Keep on visiting this eatery
All this food is getting to me
It's out of my control
Slobbering through the cafe line
Out of money, out of time
I just can't stop eating this Chocolate Muffin
Eating more and more I go
I'm getting fatter and I know
Can't stop my stomach rumbling
FOREVER MORE! I SEE MUFFINS, CRUMBLING!
Chocolate here, chocolate there
Can you see my plight?
Munching down through the night
Crumbs are everywhere
Belching left, belching right
Now I can begin
Hundredth night in a row
Don't want to end
Masticate, defecate
Heart will start to burn
Tons of wrappers gone to waste
Yet here's another one
Ruminate, ruinate
When will I ever learn?
I can't see my feet from here
But one more turn
Obsessive eating
Compulsive treating
Still never beaten
I still WANT ANOTHER TASTY MEAL
Scattered wrapping surrounding me
Tattered crumbs of what's feeding me
Delectable cake debris
Until I eat again, uh
Slobbering through the cafe line
Out of money, out of time
I just can't stop eating this Chocolate Muffin
Eating more and more I go
I'm getting fatter and I know
Can't stop my stomach rumbling
FOREVER MORE! I SEE MUFFINS, CRUMBLING!
Slobbering through the cafe line
Out of money, out of time
I just can't stop eating this Chocolate Muffin
Eating more and more I go
I'm getting fatter and I know
Can't stop my stomach rumbling
Can't stop my diet tumbling
Slobbering through the cafe line
You have lemon, I'll have limes
I just can't stop eating this Chocolate Muffin
Eating more and more I go
I'm getting fatter and I know
Can't stop my stomach rumbling
FOREVER MORE! I SEE MUFFINS, CRUMBLING!
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I just sang that out loud. :tup
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I hope that chocolate cake studio pic is in the album booklet.
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Let's all hope DT finds out how significant their chocolate cake comment has become to their fans.
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DT12: Chocolate Infinity.
(https://i0.wp.com/www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/never-ending-chocolate.gif?w=640)
Someone care to explain how that works ? i'm too tired to work it out :lol
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Someone care to explain how that works ? i'm too tired to work it out :lol
It doesn't. It's merely an optical illusion. Watch the large chunk as it moves and you will notice it get bigger. It's subtle, but a total lie :D
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A Ganache to Remember.
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(Lyrics)
I would pay to see this done. Is Constant Motion on Jammit?
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If we're changing song titles would 6:00 become 0:30 (at 350 degrees)?
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(Lyrics)
I would pay to see this done. Is Constant Motion on Jammit?
No, it isn't.
I'm hoping that it does become available some day, because I would LOVE to record that parody.
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Find some people and do a full band cover with new lyrics. :P
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Find some people and do a full band cover with new lyrics. :P
Easier said than done!
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I'll be the singer if you need one!!
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one out of five... CHECK! hahaha
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I'll be the singer if you need one!!
And I'd be totally up for guitar. There you go, 2 people.
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you gotta freakin love DTF... and isn't there an isolated keyboard track out there somewhere?
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DT12: Chocolate Infinity.
(https://i0.wp.com/www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/never-ending-chocolate.gif?w=640)
Someone care to explain how that works ? i'm too tired to work it out :lol
Made this a while ago:
(https://media.tumblr.com/2c303556b54678dc68f78a4ef403b5ab/tumblr_inline_mkemnhGvZD1qz4rgp.png)
(https://media.tumblr.com/713bf93846845f00cf0786b2f9edc2b8/tumblr_inline_mken6d6KiK1qz4rgp.png)
(https://media.tumblr.com/a7d1db00138e5079910e050288de9282/tumblr_inline_mken6kUmcf1qz4rgp.png)
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All right, since we're doing this....
Another Cake
Cake The Time
Cake For Sleep
A Change Of Filling
Beyond This Slice
The Dessert Carries On
Stream Of Chocolate
In The Name Of Cake
The Cake Lies Within
Pastry Attack
The Dark Eternal Chocolate
The Cake of Tuscany
Breaking All Diets
Well, we're not all doing it. Some of us are just going to stand around and mock those of you who do. Though I lol'd at "Pastry Attack."
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And let's not forget classics like:
A Fortune In Pies
Let's not forget the new single A Fortune In Pies
:justjen
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DREAM THEATER
ANNOUNCE FIRST LEG OF THEIR EUROPEAN TOUR
IN SUPPORT OF THEIR NEW SELF-TITLED ALBUM
OUT SEPTEMBER 24, 2013
LAUNCHING JANUARY 15 AND WRAPPING FEBRUARY 24, 2014
NORTH AMERICAN TOUR PLANNED FOR MARCH 2014
DREAM THEATER--John Petrucci on guitar, John Myung on bass, James LaBrie on vocals, Jordan Rudess on keyboards and continuum, and Mike Mangini on drums--are one of the biggest touring bands in the world having completed a 14-month tour with 110 shows through 34 different countries from 2011-2012 in support of their eleventh studio album A Dramatic Turn Of Events. Now the Grammy-nominated progressive metal titans have announced the first leg of their European tour launching January 15 in Porto, Portugal in support of their new studio album being released September 24; it marks the first self-titled release in the band's nearly three-decade career.
The upcoming tour will encompass 30 cities in 16 countries. The band is also planning to tour North America beginning in March 2014.
DREAM THEATER was recorded at Cove City Sound Studios in Glen Cove, New York, with John Petrucci producing and studio luminary Richard Chycki (Aerosmith, Rush) engineering and mixing. The album marks a brilliant new chapter for the always adventurous band, their first to have been written and recorded with drummer Mike Mangini (who joined the band in 2010) wholly integrated into the creative process from the start.
“I see every new album as an opportunity to start over,” says Petrucci. “To either build or improve upon a direction that has been evolving over time or to completely break new ground. This is the first self-titled album of our career and there is nothing I can think of that makes a statement of musical and creative identity stronger than that. We’ve fully explored all of the elements that make us unique, from the epic and intense to the atmospheric and cinematic. We’re incredibly excited about DREAM THEATER and can’t wait for everyone to hear it.”
DREAM THEATER is proud to provide VIP packages for all shows on their upcoming tour (full tour itinerary below). VIP packages include premium seats, exclusive meet and great with the band, personal photo with the band, signed limited edition collection tour poster, special tour gift, and much more. For more information and to purchase VIP packages and get advance tickets, visit the bands website: https://bit.ly/DTVIPEU. VIP packages and advance tickets go on sale this Tuesday, June 25 at 10am CET.
DREAM THEATER’s U.K. & Europe tour dates are as follows:
DATE CITY VENUE
Wed 15/1 Porto, Portugal Coliseum of Porto
Thu 16/1 Madrid, Spain Palacio Visalegre
Fri 17/1 Pamplona, Spain Anaitasuna
Sat 18/1 Barcelona, Spain St. Jordi Club
Mon 20/1 Milan, Italy Mediolanum Forum
Tues 21/1 Florence, Italy Obihall
Wed 22/1 Rome, Italy Palalottomatica
Thu 23/1 Padova, Italy Geox Theatre
Sat 25/1 Vienna, Austria Gasometer
Sun 26/1 Munich, Germany Zenith
Mon 27/1 Zurich, Switzerland Volkshaus
Wed 29/1 Prague, Czech Republic Tipsport Arena
Thu 30/1 Ludwigsburg, Germany Arena
Fri 31/1 Paris, France Zenith
Sat 1/2 Offenbach, Germany Stadthalle
Mon 3/2 Zagreb, Croatia Cibona
Tues 4/2 Ljubljana, Slovenia Small Tivoli
Wed 5/2 Katowice, Poland Spodek Hall
Fri 7/2 Bamberg, Germany Stechert Arena
Sat 8/2 Deinze, Belgium Brielpoort
Sun 9/2 Hannover, Germany Swiss Life Hall
Mon 10/2 Saarbrucken, Germany Saarlandhalle
Wed 12/2 Lille, France Aeronef
Thu 13/2 Manchester, UK O2 Apollo
Fri 14/2 London, UK Wembley Arena
Sat 15/2 Wolverhampton, UK Wolverhampton Civic Hall
Mon 17/2 Amsterdam, Holland Heineken Music Hall
Tues 18/2 Dusseldorf, Germany Mitsubishi Electric Halle
Thu 20/2 Copenhagen, Denmark Falconer
Mon 24/2 Helsinki, Finland Icehall
About DREAM THEATER
Progressive metal band Dream Theater formed in 1985 under the name Majesty by John Petrucci, John Myung, and Mike Portnoy. Though a number of lineup changes followed, the three original members remained together, along with James LaBrie and Jordan Rudess, until September 2010, when Mike Portnoy exited the band. In October 2010, Dream Theater held auditions for a new drummer, and added drummer extraordinaire Mike Mangini to its roster.
In 2012 the band received its first-ever Grammy nomination for “On The Backs Of Angels” in the Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance category. The song was the first single from their eleventh studio album A Dramatic Turn Of Events (released September 13, 2011 on Roadrunner Records), which had fourteen top 10 debuts around the world (including the U.S., where it entered at #8 on the Billboard Top 200 album chart).
In 2012, DREAM THEATER wrapped up a massive worldwide, headline tour in support of
A Dramatic Turn of Events and will release a new album in September 2013. To date, the legendary progressive metal masters have sold in excess of ten million records and DVDs worldwide.
www.dreamtheater.net
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet
www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial
Press Releases, Bio and Band Q&A’s
press.roadrunnerrecords.com/dreamtheater
www.msopr.com/n/client-roster/dream-theater
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And let's not forget classics like:
A Fortune In Pies
Let's not forget the new single A Fortune In Pies
:justjen
Wow, totally missed that, my bad. But as if even the description starts with "Let's not forget." Weird.
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I'll be seeing them in March or April then, hopefully!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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I'll be seeing them in March or April then, hopefully!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
I'd kill to catch'em at the Greek Theatre again. Or maybe the Santa Barbara Bowl? That'd be sweeeet!
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I gotta say, I can't wait to see them again, but thank GOD the NA tour isn't until 2014, cause this year, money's gonna be tight!
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I'll be seeing them in March or April then, hopefully!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
I'd kill to catch'em at the Greek Theatre again. Or maybe the Santa Barbara Bowl? That'd be sweeeet!
I haven't seen them at the Greek. I saw Chicago, Styx and Yes, Styx REO and Ted Nugent, all of which (except I was too young to remember Chicago) were WAY too quiet. You couldn't hear the music over the crowd. When DT was there, was that the case?
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The sound was pretty decent. It was my first DT show. Prog Nation 09. I don't remember too much besides how beautiful the venue was and how disappointed I was they didn't play Metropolis, The Mirror, PMU or Peruvian Skies (newer fan back then).
I'd rather them play in Santa Barbara though.. Just as or even prettier than The Greek, probably 20% smaller, and closer to me :D
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Dream Theater a Firenze...
*faints*
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FINLAAAAAAAAND!!!! YEAH!
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Wait......not Sweden?
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9YsfnuuuKNo/UOXscWyR6qI/AAAAAAAAEag/btS3jLYy3-4/s1600/angry-conan.jpg)
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Great news! I'm kind of disappointed that they're going to be coming to NA in the Spring/Summer personally, reason being that they either play the Molson Amphitheatre (outdoor venue = spring/summer) or Massey Hall (indoor venue = fall/winter) when they come to Toronto, and Massey Hall is a much, MUCH better venue all around. It's good that they'll be getting more room for a bigger crowd though I guess.
Ah well, a DT show is still a DT show! Excited for when the announce the specific dates for NA :biggrin:
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No Greek date unfortunately, just as i expected :sadpanda:
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If you could keep discussion of the tour dates over here https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37672.0
That leaves more room for this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Chocolate_Cake_Flourless_(1).jpg)
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Goddammit, you guys truly know how to make people hungry! :lol
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So do we think the album process could be wrapped by the end of this week? How long does mastering generally take?
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Mastering is faster than mixing, since it's not a creative process but a technical one. If they're done/almost done with the mixing, I think they will likely finish the mastering and all stuff by the end of this week.
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And I guess the booklet and other artwork is being done simultaneously with mixing and mastering. So I think the total album could be done within a week.
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:letam: :2metal: :metal to both the tour dates and the album progress.
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THREE MONTHS TO RELEASE DAY.
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No Scottish date!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
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A LITTLE MORE THAN SEVEN MONTHS TO SHOW DATE.
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THREE MONTHS TO RELEASE DAY.
This!
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They're not coming to Sweden this time? :'(
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They're not coming to Sweden this time? :'(
My thoughts: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37672.msg1601000#msg1601000
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They're not coming to Sweden this time? :'(
My thoughts: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37672.msg1601000#msg1601000
Let's hope so. There's nothing about Norway in there either.
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I'm on holiday next week - imagine how many pages I'll have to catch up on if there's a tracklisting/artwork announcement!
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Weird that they're not coming to Sweden this time. And even if they've saved a spot between Denmark and Finland for a gig in Stockholm it's still confusing why they wouldn't put it in the announcement. And if maybe they're having trouble with lication or something and it'll come later, then it's still confusing and in that case I'm wondering why they put the announcement out without having all the dates set.
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I'm on holiday next week - imagine how many pages I'll have to catch up on if there's a tracklisting/artwork announcement!
Me too :D
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:rollin
Weird that they're not coming to Sweden this time. And even if they've saved a spot between Denmark and Finland for a gig in Stockholm it's still confusing why they wouldn't put it in the announcement. And if maybe they're having trouble with lication or something and it'll come later, then it's still confusing and in that case I'm wondering why they put the announcement out without having all the dates set.
Or they are saving the Sweden play to Sweden Rock Festival in the summer
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Mastering is faster than mixing, since it's not a creative process but a technical one. If they're done/almost done with the mixing, I think they will likely finish the mastering and all stuff by the end of this week.
Absolutely. Mastering an album can easily be done in a day, so as soon as the mix is finished the record is technically just one day from being done. End of this week with everything would seem fair, they should be at the very end of the mixing process by now. I just hope they've added 3 dB of bass this time, the bass has been too buried in the mix for like 10 years now except for certain parts of certain songs.
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Yeah, more bass and louder drums please.
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Weird that they're not coming to Sweden this time. And even if they've saved a spot between Denmark and Finland for a gig in Stockholm it's still confusing why they wouldn't put it in the announcement. And if maybe they're having trouble with lication or something and it'll come later, then it's still confusing and in that case I'm wondering why they put the announcement out without having all the dates set.
I just read the announcement again and it does say that "DREAM THEATER ANNOUNCE FIRST LEG OF THEIR EUROPEAN TOUR" which could indicate that there'll be a second leg... I guess.
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Weird that they're not coming to Sweden this time. And even if they've saved a spot between Denmark and Finland for a gig in Stockholm it's still confusing why they wouldn't put it in the announcement. And if maybe they're having trouble with lication or something and it'll come later, then it's still confusing and in that case I'm wondering why they put the announcement out without having all the dates set.
I just read the announcement again and it does say that "DREAM THEATER ANNOUNCE FIRST LEG OF THEIR EUROPEAN TOUR" which could indicate that there'll be a second leg... I guess.
Can we keep discussion of the tour to the Concerts section?
Anyway, can't wait to hear MM's drum parts, I think they were a little dull on ADTOE, possibly because JP constructed the basics.
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Weird that they're not coming to Sweden this time. And even if they've saved a spot between Denmark and Finland for a gig in Stockholm it's still confusing why they wouldn't put it in the announcement. And if maybe they're having trouble with lication or something and it'll come later, then it's still confusing and in that case I'm wondering why they put the announcement out without having all the dates set.
I just read the announcement again and it does say that "DREAM THEATER ANNOUNCE FIRST LEG OF THEIR EUROPEAN TOUR" which could indicate that there'll be a second leg... I guess.
Can we keep discussion of the tour to the Concerts section?
Anyway, can't wait to hear MM's drum parts, I think they were a little dull on ADTOE, possibly because JP constructed the basics.
Absolutely agree on that. Can't wait to hear Mike flex his musical muscles a bit on this record
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Can we keep discussion of the tour to the Concerts section?
Anyway, can't wait to hear MM's drum parts, I think they were a little dull on ADTOE, possibly because JP constructed the basics.
Yeah, that'll probably be for the best.
And yeah, I'm really looking forward to hearing MM's drumming on DT as well. While I do think that some of the stuff on ADToE was highly impressive from a technical point of view the drumming overall was a bit too anonymous if you ask me. It's really cool how well he compliments the other instruments and how he utilizes his monstrous kit and its dynamic range to emphasize what's going on melodically but I want the drums to hog the limelight every now and then. :metal
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Considering the fan acceptance during the last Tour and that this time he has been part of the writing process, I am quite confident that we will hear some flashy drumming. I would be surprised if they didn't unleash the genie on this album.
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I got a feeling we will def get a new single early July :metal
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hey guys, guess what?! :caffeine:
Still no news.
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I`m eating an incredibly good piece of chocolate cake right now. The complete cake worth the money.
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Still no news.
Don't worry, they are revealed SOON!!
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Mastering is faster than mixing, since it's not a creative process but a technical one. If they're done/almost done with the mixing, I think they will likely finish the mastering and all stuff by the end of this week.
Absolutely. Mastering an album can easily be done in a day, so as soon as the mix is finished the record is technically just one day from being done. End of this week with everything would seem fair, they should be at the very end of the mixing process by now. I just hope they've added 3 dB of bass this time, the bass has been too buried in the mix for like 10 years now except for certain parts of certain songs.
Yeah. That would be more than appreciated. The guy is shy but quite talented, let's give him the sound he deserves.
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Just thinking about a studio session DVD, it could also be of special ACOUSTIC arrangements of DT12 songs. I've always wanted them to do an Unplugged-type CD/DVD doing songs like Silent Man, etc. Acoustic or electric, it would be fun to see them play in a small room with little reverb.
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1.- A double conceptual album.
2.- An instrumental crazier than TDOE.
3.- More than one Myung lyric song.
4.- An epic 20 minutes song.
5.- Mangini and Myung higher in the mix.
6.- Amazing symphonic parts.
7.- Classical and tasty Jordan arrangements.
8.- No more Hugh Syme in the artwork.
That`s what I want.
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Still no news.
Don't worry, they are revealed SOON!!
Some are fast and some take years and years
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1.- A double conceptual album.
2.- An instrumental crazier than TDOE.
3.- More than one Myung lyric song.
4.- An epic 20 minutes song.
5.- Mangini and Myung higher in the mix.
6.- Amazing symphonic parts.
7.- Classical and tasty Jordan arrangements.
8.- No more Hugh Syme in the artwork.
That`s what I want.
Double conceptual album. Wow.
You could make a movie with that
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PLS COM TO UNITED STATS DREAM THEATRE
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1.- A double conceptual album.
2.- An instrumental crazier than TDOE.
3.- More than one Myung lyric song.
4.- An epic 20 minutes song.
5.- Mangini and Myung higher in the mix.
6.- Amazing symphonic parts.
7.- Classical and tasty Jordan arrangements.
8.- No more Hugh Syme in the artwork.
That`s what I want.
1. Conceptual self titled album, don't think so
2. Go for it.
3. Great
4. Please!
5. :tup
6. :tup
7. :tup
8. I don't care about the artwork, a b/w majesty symbol would do it for me.
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What if it was a conceptual self-titled album, which told the history and evolution of the band?
From a practice room the sounds came,
The sounds of Rush and Maiden,
Drum sticks he held in his hand,
My name is Mike... let's form a band!
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Everyday I get much more excited for this album. The days are going soooo sloooow. I'm hoping for NA tour dates soon, since they have started announcing the dates for the rest of the world.
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1.- A double conceptual album.
2.- An instrumental crazier than TDOE.
3.- More than one Myung lyric song.
4.- An epic 20 minutes song.
5.- Mangini and Myung higher in the mix.
6.- Amazing symphonic parts.
7.- Classical and tasty Jordan arrangements.
8.- No more Hugh Syme in the artwork.
That`s what I want.
9. A really long tasty JP solo akin to Lines In The Sand.
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PLS COM TO UNITED STATS DREAM THEATRE
:lol
MIKE PRNTORY DRUM LEGND !!! GREAT HEART !!! BEST SOUL !!! OUR MINDS FOR YUO DREAM TEHTRE !!!!!!!
* sorry for double post blob :lol
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Drum sticks he held in his hand,
My name is Mike... let's form a band![/i]
;D moar like"my name is mike...lets form a band!ROAAAR!"
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1.- A double conceptual album.
2.- An instrumental crazier than TDOE.
3.- More than one Myung lyric song.
4.- An epic 20 minutes song.
5.- Mangini and Myung higher in the mix.
6.- Amazing symphonic parts.
7.- Classical and tasty Jordan arrangements.
8.- No more Hugh Syme in the artwork.
That`s what I want.
9. A really long tasty JP solo akin to Lines In The Sand.
:tup
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I wonder if they're still mixing
(https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3461/3191147763_097325423c.jpg?v=0)
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Hi everyone! so happy to be here!! this thread will enter in history and thanks to this I've discovered I'm not so addicted about DT like you ;D
I wanna start with a pic that I think it's not been posted yet, from Eren's fb profile
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q81/s720x720/7941_593031314050451_390152680_n.jpg)
'In the end of conducting/recording my arrangements for the upcoming Dream Theater album, with Jordan Rudess, John Petrucci and richard chycki · studio. In the middle is Misha, the concertmaster for the orchestra.
I think it's a very brave statement to name the album self-titled, and I'm very very happy, grateful and amazed to be a part of this chapter of DT.'
and a link to something familiar for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeBmYdOmMgA
p.s. I live in a small city in Tuscany and the song TCoT is set 40 mins from here
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Ciao Matteo! Quale sarebbe questa ambientazione di TCOT? :D
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Hi Matteo! What would this setting of TCOT be? :D
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eheheh salve conterraneo!!
[OT]
it must be Villa Calcinaia, Greve in Chianti, where it lives the Count Sebastiano Capponi [/OT]
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Any specific reason to think that it was Count Capponi? Tuscany is littered with counts and castles, the assumption so far was that the Count of Tuscany does not refer to an actual existing or historical person.
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The little guy in the middle looks like George Carlin.
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Any specific reason to think that it was Count Capponi? Tuscany is littered with counts and castles, the assumption so far was that the Count of Tuscany does not refer to an actual existing or historical person.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34795.0
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So I was thinking. Last time, when they finished working on their album, DT pretty much went on tour right away, touring the whole summer in Europe, then starting the actual Dramatic Tour. This time, they're not starting their tour until January. What are they going to be doing in the mean time? Focus on side projects? Take it easy? Or work on some other DT stuff, like YTSEJAM releases and maybe a one off "A Night With DT" show or two?
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Hopefully take some god damned time off, they deserve a little relaxation
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9. A really long tasty JP solo akin to Lines In The Sand.
The solo in Breaking All Illusions really reminded me of that of Lines in the Sand.
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Any specific reason to think that it was Count Capponi? Tuscany is littered with counts and castles, the assumption so far was that the Count of Tuscany does not refer to an actual existing or historical person.
...What?!
It's really, really famously a story that actually happened to John Petrucci. We've known that since before the album was released! There are tens of interviews vouching for his existence.
But for what it's worth, specific reasons include the fact that he lives in a mansion amongst Italian vineyards, has a bearded, historian brother who is a Hannibal Lecter expert (and acted as a consultant on the film), and that he is a Count.
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What's the story? There's a major gap in the lyrics...
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Among other interviews --
https://www.portalgotico.com/2009/06/entrevista-john-petrucci-dos-dream.html
PG - Can you tell us something about the Count of Tuscany?
Petrucci - Yeah, that's another example of a story that I shared, you know, something that happened to me that I would tell my friends and family but I never really wrote about it. Yeah, it's sort of hard to follow the story but it's basically a few years ago when Dream Theater were playing in Florence or something and there was my friend who is my guitar tech, he's also wine importer, so he wanted to visit a winery in Tuscany, so he asked me if I wanted to come along. So, yeah, the guy who owned the winery is a count, he wasn't the count of Tuscany, he is a count of something, anyway he brought us to this winery, it was a very old castle in the hills of Italy, it was very bizarre, you know just really weird stories the guy told, you know, like a mummified saint and a chapel, very strange and weird, I thought it would be great to tell that story, probably make a movie of it!
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(https://www.bookpassage.com/files/bookpassage/capponiNiccolo.jpg?0)
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I would say there's of course a chance it is that guy, but having a beard and being in the wine business isn't exactly a dead-on distinguishing feature when you own a castle in Italy, is it?
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I heard there are no places to rent in Tuscany, but that was a while ago. Is that still true?
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I would say there's of course a chance it is that guy, but having a beard and being in the wine business isn't exactly a dead-on distinguishing feature when you own a castle in Italy, is it?
No, but I think the historian brother who's an expert on Hannibal Lecter narrows it down a lot more, as does owning an estate that was featured in the films.
https://www.terraditoscana.com/hannibal/uk/pages/kappa.htm
There aren't that many Tuscan Counts. I'm guessing the number with strong connections to a cannibal curator (any cannibal curator!) don't exactly stretch into the double figures.
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I would say there's of course a chance it is that guy, but having a beard and being in the wine business isn't exactly a dead-on distinguishing feature when you own a castle in Italy, is it?
This other guy looks young rather eccentric. He styles himself as "Conte Sebastiano Capponi" and he's the one matte.braso maintains is the count.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AFIndTDN89E/SZGwy5a56WI/AAAAAAAAHuA/JssPPnG0Py4/s400/P1011416.JPG)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AFIndTDN89E/SZGxbWqzGmI/AAAAAAAAHuI/ydcsBMB3T8Q/s400/P1011422.JPG)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AFIndTDN89E/SZGxp6gK26I/AAAAAAAAHuQ/bf8x1I443DE/s400/P1011420.JPG)
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I heard there are no places to rent in Tuscany, but that was a while ago. Is that still true?
Nope, the houses are passed down through generations. They're booked solid!
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Nope, the houses are passed down through generations. They're booked solid!
How'd you get yours?
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Got lucky.
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Renting one is possible though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxwUoZgxAIQ
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Jesus that was a long 27 pages to catch up on... took me around an hour...
Anyway :rollin at the RR P/R guy situation and the rest was cake pretty much...
(OH DAMN IT I accidentally passed my 558 post count.. :( damn.. well now i have to wait til 585 )
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Is there any particular alignment of the stars on September 24?
'Cause, for now, also Kings of Leon and Korn are releasing their new albums that day. (Something that will effect for sure DT billboard entry...)
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Is there any particular alignment of the stars on September 24?
'Cause, for now, also Kings of Leon and Korn are releasing their new albums that day. (Something that will effect for sure DT billboard entry...)
The lower the billboard entry, the better the album.
/hipster :hat
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The lower the billboard entry, the better the album.
BIG TRUTH.
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The lower the billboard entry, the better the album.
BIG TRUTH.
especially these days.. In reality i don't really know how the billboards work.. being from England and all....
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Is there any particular alignment of the stars on September 24?
'Cause, for now, also Kings of Leon and Korn are releasing their new albums that day. (Something that will effect for sure DT billboard entry...)
The lower the billboard entry, the better the album.
/hipster :hat
So ADTOE must be their worst album then! :lol
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The lower the billboard entry, the better the album.
BIG TRUTH.
especially these days.. In reality i don't really know how the billboards work.. being from England and all....
It`s easy:
Lower quality = Bigger popularity.
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Is there any particular alignment of the stars on September 24?
'Cause, for now, also Kings of Leon and Korn are releasing their new albums that day. (Something that will effect for sure DT billboard entry...)
The lower the billboard entry, the better the album.
/hipster :hat
So ADTOE must be their worst album then! :lol
No.
Their best Billboard entry was BC&SL (their worst album).
ADTOE is a really good album.
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The lower the billboard entry, the better the album.
BIG TRUTH.
especially these days.. In reality i don't really know how the billboards work.. being from England and all....
It`s easy:
Lower quality = Bigger popularity.
Yeah it's very similar (because we are quite similar countries) But isn't there different billboards or something?
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Is there any particular alignment of the stars on September 24?
'Cause, for now, also Kings of Leon and Korn are releasing their new albums that day. (Something that will effect for sure DT billboard entry...)
The lower the billboard entry, the better the album.
/hipster :hat
So ADTOE must be their worst album then! :lol
No.
Their best Billboard entry was BC&SL (their worst album).
ADTOE is a really good album.
:facepalm: Oops.
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Yeah it's very similar (because we are quite similar countries) But isn't there different billboards or something?
Similar people = Similar parameters = Similar errors.
Clichés over clichés, everywhere.
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That's what's so shocking about DT's later albums placing so high among this other crap. The fan base is so big now all their albums will go top ten here.
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I assume that everyone who believes that less popular = better regards WDADU as Dream Theater's crowning achievement?
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With all respect, only the old school minded are the real DT fans.
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I assume that everyone who believes that less popular = better regards WDADU as Dream Theater's crowning achievement?
No, but is WAY better than SC / BC&SL.
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With all respect, only the old school minded are the real DT fans.
:facepalm:
The less popular = better argument is ridiculous. It's not even a discussion worth having.
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With all respect, only the old school minded are the real DT fans.
That's nonsense. How do you define "real fan"? If anyone would be a "real fan" it would the people who enjoy everything the band has done, not someone who only enjoys one aspect of the band.
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I was just kidding, and look what I started :rollin
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It's all right. I needed something to do. :P
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I like TCOT more than I like all of WDADU.
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I love The Count of Tuscany as much as anyone, but WDADU still very good, despite poor production.
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On another note, does that make Moving Pictures Rush's worst album?
Does that make their first album the best?
(no to both of them)
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Clearly. John Rutsey FTW!
(that is his name, right?)
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On an even more controversial note:
Does that make black metal the best music in the world?
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According to stereotypical black metal fans, yes. Kvlt is where it's at, man.
Disclaimer: I don't believe all black metal fans are like this, and am a casual black metal fan myself.
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To me is very simple.
The 90`s was the best DT musical period, and they extended that to SDOIT (their last completely satisfying work -2.001-).
Every album from that date, was a little bit more dissapointing than the previous, with SC as a clear low point and BC&SL as a bottom, thanks to that "balls" theory of Portnoy.
With ADTOE (a very safe album -it was the purpose-) they recovered a lot of musical seriousness.
And now, I have a huge expectation for DT12, basically for the presence of Mangini in the creative process (adding Richard Chycki and Eren Başbuğ).
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According to stereotypical black metal fans, yes. Kvlt is where it's at, man.
Disclaimer: I don't believe all black metal fans are like this, and am a casual black metal fan myself.
I'm very aware. I've listened to like two black metal songs.
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That's cool, man. You're entitled to your opinion. It's when you say that people who like more recent DT albums aren't "real fans", it bothers me somewhat.
@Lucien: Yeah, they're like prog fans, only worse. I'd remove those links, though. I think officially released material can't be linked to. Also, I can't judge your username. Mine's "Maniacalmaniac".
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That's cool, man. You're entitled to your opinion. It's when you say that people who like more recent DT albums aren't "real fans", it bothers me somewhat.
@Lucien: Yeah, they're like prog fans, only worse. I'd remove those links, though. I think officially released material can't be linked to. Also, I can't judge your username. Mine's "Maniacalmaniac".
Done.
Also in that first link there was a lot of sexism in the comments
:angry: That makes me angry.
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Yeah, and that guy probably wonders why more girls aren't into metal. :zeltar:
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That's cool, man. You're entitled to your opinion. It's when you say that people who like more recent DT albums aren't "real fans", it bothers me somewhat.
Yeah! >:( Fan since Images and SC is one of my favorite DT albums.
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That's cool, man. You're entitled to your opinion. It's when you say that people who like more recent DT albums aren't "real fans", it bothers me somewhat.
Dont`t worry, brother.
Everybody here thinks DT12 can be a landmark album, and that`s the important thing.
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That's cool, man. You're entitled to your opinion. It's when you say that people who like more recent DT albums aren't "real fans", it bothers me somewhat.
Yeah! >:( Fan since Images and SC is one of my favorite DT albums.
Yeah, I mean, I don't have a problem with someone disliking their new albums. I really like them, but not everyone has to agree with me. What I don't like is when someone says that another person is less of fan simply because their tastes are different. ( and yes, I realize this is pretty common in metal, and probably in music overall)
Or maybe I just feel like ranting. It can be pretty fun :rant: :biggrin:
That's cool, man. You're entitled to your opinion. It's when you say that people who like more recent DT albums aren't "real fans", it bothers me somewhat.
Dont`t worry, brother.
Everybody here thinks DT12 can be a landmark album, and that`s the important thing.
Everything certainly indicates that it will be a great album.
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On a completely different note, you can pre-order Impermanent Resonance on Amazon now!
https://www.amazon.com/Impermanent-Resonance-James-Labrie/dp/B00DCRE7M0
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I'll probably wait until it's released. Amazon pre-orders have been unkind to me in the past.
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I think DT12 will be very SFAM-SDOIT oriented.
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I'll probably wait until it's released. Amazon pre-orders have been unkind to me in the past.
Same here. I preordered something once, expecting it to show up on release day. It showed up a week later. That's when I realized they never ship until release day. You're better off waiting and going to a brick & mortar.
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Devin Townsend's Epicloud didn't arrive at my place of residence until about month past release date. It's partially my fault for always going for the free shipping, but come on.
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I think DT12 will be very SFAM-SDOIT oriented.
I would be quite pleased with that meld....
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I would rather DT12 be DT12 oriented.
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With all respect, only the old school minded are the real DT fans.
With all respect, this is a complete load of shit.
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With all respect, only the old school minded are the real DT fans.
With all respect, this is a complete load of shit.
This. I consider myself a "real" fan because I love the band and the music that they make, not because of my mindset. That's like saying people who don't like the NES aren't "real" video game fans.
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I would rather DT12 be DT12 oriented.
This. Better completely new.
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I would rather DT12 be DT12 oriented.
This. Better completely new.
Yes. I should have elaborated more in that post, but I want an album that has it's own identity. Every album so far pretty much does, but I wouldn't want them to just try to create the same vibe from an already-written album. If parts of it remind of other albums, that's perfectly fine of course! I just want it to stand out on its own.
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With all respect, only the old school minded are the real DT fans.
With all respect, this is a complete load of shit.
Yeah, gotta agree with the blobster here. I mean, define "real fan" anyways. Any attempt to judge a certain amount of "fandom" is just an inadequate excuse for a pissing contest.
Just listen to the music man, stop trying to quantify it.
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I want a SDOIT oriented album not in terms of sound, but in terms of experimentation. Every song being its own unique piece and every song filled with DT taking the music to new heights, while still maintaining their core sound.
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From Mike Mangini:
"Hope you like the general, short clips about some of my gear choices lately. I'm really so grateful to all my supporting companies. Our engineer, Rich, would be the one to get into details about the mic'ing in the future as I just wanted to give a general 'how do you do' about using my Shure stuff, but I really am so happy to have him, my tech Eric's help choosing tunings etc., Maddi's in working the kit and head changes and also Petrucci's take on it all in order to get the killer drum sound you'll hear on the next record."
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Well if Mangini says so. :metal
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Glad to see that they are concerning themselves with the drum
(https://i39.tinypic.com/2rhojdd.jpg)
on this next album.
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Glad to see that they are concerning themselves with the drum
(https://i39.tinypic.com/2rhojdd.jpg)
on this next album.
Damn it... Now I wanna watch the drummer auditions again. *Puts in DVD*
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<delete! ignore! move on!>
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Mike's awesome. Can't wait to hear his drums on the album.
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Glad to see that they are concerning themselves with the drum
(https://i39.tinypic.com/2rhojdd.jpg)
on this next album.
And musicAAAlity.
I really want to hear him killing in DT12. He can`t be buried in the mix again. That`s a crime.
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With all respect, only the old school minded are the real DT fans.
With all respect, this is a complete load of shit.
Anyone who doesn´t own the original Majesty demos tape and hasn´t followed Chris Collins' solo career is not a real DT fan.
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With all respect, only the old school minded are the real DT fans.
With all respect, this is a complete load of shit.
Anyone who doesn´t own the original Majesty demos tape and hasn´t followed Chris Collins' solo career is not a real DT fan.
Anyone who didn't go to Berklee with them and hung around in their rehearsal room (E19) is not a real DT fan.
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With all respect, only the old school minded are the real DT fans.
With all respect, this is a complete load of shit.
Anyone who doesn´t own the original Majesty demos tape and hasn´t followed Chris Collins' solo career is not a real DT fan.
Chris Collins got pissed at me and told me to go and play with my Transformers in a discussion thread for his solo career. Is that close enough? :lol
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With all respect, only the old school minded are the real DT fans.
With all respect, this is a complete load of shit.
Anyone who doesn´t own the original Majesty demos tape and hasn´t followed Chris Collins' solo career is not a real DT fan.
Anyone who didn't go to Berklee with them and hung around in their rehearsal room (E19) is not a real DT fan.
Anyone that doesn't have stool samples of all current and former band members is not a true DT fan.
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With all respect, only the old school minded are the real DT fans.
With all respect, this is a complete load of shit.
Anyone who doesn´t own the original Majesty demos tape and hasn´t followed Chris Collins' solo career is not a real DT fan.
Anyone who didn't go to Berklee with them and hung around in their rehearsal room (E19) is not a real DT fan.
Anyone that doesn't have stool samples of all current and former band members is not a true DT fan.
Anyone who wasn't in the birthing room when JMX was born is not a true DT fan.
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To me is very simple.
The 90`s was the best DT musical period, and they extended that to SDOIT (their last completely satisfying work -2.001-).
Every album from that date, was a little bit more dissapointing than the previous, with SC as a clear low point and BC&SL as a bottom, thanks to that "balls" theory of Portnoy.
With ADTOE (a very safe album -it was the purpose-) they recovered a lot of musical seriousness.
And now, I have a huge expectation for DT12, basically for the presence of Mangini in the creative process (adding Richard Chycki and Eren Başbuğ).
If you don`t understand, isn`t my problem, and I couldn`t care less.
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With all respect, only the old school minded are the real DT fans.
With all respect, this is a complete load of shit.
Anyone who doesn´t own the original Majesty demos tape and hasn´t followed Chris Collins' solo career is not a real DT fan.
Anyone who didn't go to Berklee with them and hung around in their rehearsal room (E19) is not a real DT fan.
Anyone that doesn't have stool samples of all current and former band members is not a true DT fan.
Anyone who wasn't in the birthing room when JMX was born is not a true DT fan.
(https://i.imgur.com/eDsdHRh.png)
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Declaring any art as better or worse, matter of factly, is pointless. Taste lives in the soul of every individual. Different eyes see
different things and different hearts beat on different strings.
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(https://i.imgur.com/eDsdHRh.png)
:dangerwillrobinson:
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Declaring any art as better or worse, matter of factly, is pointless. Taste lives in the soul of every individual. Different eyes see
different things and different hearts beat on different strings.
I'm almost sure everyone got that reference ;D
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Declaring any art as better or worse, matter of factly, is pointless. Taste lives in the soul of every individual. Different eyes see
different things and different hearts beat on different strings.
I'm almost sure everyone got that reference ;D
Nope. Didn't even realize it was one.
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Wow.
Surprising
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To me is very simple.
The 90`s was the best DT musical period, and they extended that to SDOIT (their last completely satisfying work -2.001-).
Every album from that date, was a little bit more dissapointing than the previous, with SC as a clear low point and BC&SL as a bottom, thanks to that "balls" theory of Portnoy.
With ADTOE (a very safe album -it was the purpose-) they recovered a lot of musical seriousness.
And now, I have a huge expectation for DT12, basically for the presence of Mangini in the creative process (adding Richard Chycki and Eren Başbuğ).
I thought SC and BC&SL were good albums, and I'd rather listen to them than I&W and Awake. go figure!
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Wow.
Surprising
Not everyone here is a Rush fan :P
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Wow.
Surprising
Not everyone here is a Rush fan :P
What's Rush? Fast-paced rock?
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I would like an artwork with a variety of greens (but based on acid green), made it by an unknown graphic artist.
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I would like an artwork with a variety of greens
Like these?
(https://sacredsourcenutrition.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Change-up-the-greens.jpg)
:splodetard:
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To me is very simple.
The 90`s was the best DT musical period, and they extended that to SDOIT (their last completely satisfying work -2.001-).
Every album from that date, was a little bit more dissapointing than the previous, with SC as a clear low point and BC&SL as a bottom, thanks to that "balls" theory of Portnoy.
With ADTOE (a very safe album -it was the purpose-) they recovered a lot of musical seriousness.
And now, I have a huge expectation for DT12, basically for the presence of Mangini in the creative process (adding Richard Chycki and Eren Başbuğ).
If you don`t understand, isn`t my problem, and I couldn`t care less.
Start caring more.
That's a second warning. Please treat the band and your fellow board members with more respect. If you can't, then maybe this isn't the place for you.
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I would like an artwork with a variety of greens
Like these?
(https://sacredsourcenutrition.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Change-up-the-greens.jpg)
:splodetard:
Not exactly :laugh:
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Please treat... your fellow board members with more respect.
Like this motherfucking "respect", asshole?
complete load of shit.
You can`t be more hypocrite.
And now suspend me, Sheriff. I don`t give a fuck about people who says: "SC is still a really good album"... and Awake!!! "are ranked right at the bottom for me" (that phrase is the real tsunami of shit).
I don`t care about how many technical "knowledge" you have if you don`t understand fucking anything about music. Period.
Hasta nunca.
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And now suspend me, Sheriff.
OK.
BTW, Blob, be more respectful, please.
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(https://art.ngfiles.com/images/120/joe2k_mario-punch.jpg)
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Please treat... your fellow board members with more respect.
Like this motherfucking "respect", asshole?
complete load of shit.
You can`t be more hypocrite.
And now suspend me, Sheriff. I don`t give a fuck about people who says: "SC is still a really good album"... and Awake!!! "are ranked right at the bottom for me" (that phrase is the real tsunami of shit).
I don`t care about how many technical "knowledge" you have if you don`t understand fucking anything about music. Period.
Hasta nunca.
Dude. What the hell. You act like a 12 year old.
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Man, that opinion was completely ridiculous. I'm really glad that we all seem to be pretty much over that "snobbishness" as a forum.
I'm not the biggest fan of the ToT-BC&SL run, but it's pretty much self-evident that there are multiple arcs to DT's fandom. Mainly, I can think of three main areas where new fandoms have jumped aboard and changed the make-up of the overall DT fandom pretty considerably:
1. People who got into DT in the early 90's or earlier, when DT were almost famous.
2. People who got into DT in the early 00's, when, thanks mostly to faster internet, people in general began exploring and sharing tons of music outside commercial channels
3. People who've just got into DT recently, thanks to them being featured in videogames and presented alongside newer bands signed to their label
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So, how about that new album?
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So, how about that new album?
This, please. Luigi has been temp-banned, no reason to pile on.
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Man, that opinion was completely ridiculous. I'm really glad that we all seem to be pretty much over that "snobbishness" as a forum.
I'm not the biggest fan of the ToT-BC&SL run, but it's pretty much self-evident that there are multiple arcs to DT's fandom. Mainly, I can think of three main areas where new fandoms have jumped aboard and changed the make-up of the overall DT fandom pretty considerably:
1. People who got into DT in the early 90's or earlier, when DT were almost famous.
2. People who got into DT in the early 00's, when, thanks mostly to faster internet, people in general began exploring and sharing tons of music outside commercial channels
3. People who've just got into DT recently, thanks to them being featured in videogames and presented alongside newer bands signed to their label
Don't forget about the large contingent of Italians who got into the band after they started singing about Tuscany and counts. :biggrin:
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Man, that opinion was completely ridiculous. I'm really glad that we all seem to be pretty much over that "snobbishness" as a forum.
I'm not the biggest fan of the ToT-BC&SL run, but it's pretty much self-evident that there are multiple arcs to DT's fandom. Mainly, I can think of three main areas where new fandoms have jumped aboard and changed the make-up of the overall DT fandom pretty considerably:
1. People who got into DT in the early 90's or earlier, when DT were almost famous.
2. People who got into DT in the early 00's, when, thanks mostly to faster internet, people in general began exploring and sharing tons of music outside commercial channels
3. People who've just got into DT recently, thanks to them being featured in videogames and presented alongside newer bands signed to their label
yeah man I think alot of it boils down to, for most people i would think, what DT albums you were into when you were into them the most. For me Systematic chaos was the first DT album I eagerly anticipated since Octavarium, which was released as my DT fandom was established. For me, those two records are indefinitely Ingrained into my nostalgia, and I loved listening to those albums, despite how much flack (especially SC) they received, and I approached BC&SL in the same way.
I understand why DT fans put I&W, Awake and SFAM on a pedestal, and being a guitarist who tried to learn alot of that material, I can see where the praise is coming from. However, 9 times out of 10 i'm going to go to an album post-SFAM because I enjoy listening to them more.
In short: It's completely subjective.
So, how about that new album?
Cannot effing wait! although i will say this again just for my own sake, I vow to not listen to a single snippet of this album until release! no single! no samples/teasers!
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3. People who've just got into DT recently, thanks to them being featured in videogames and presented alongside newer bands signed to their label
I'm sorry, but that phrase is the complete tsunami of shit. :neverusethis:
(that part of Luigi's post made me fucking :lol )
In all honesty, that is how I got into DT though, by Panic Attack and Constant Motion being featured in the Rock Band games. I had heard of DT previously since 2004 or so because my cousin listened to them and 2004 was his first DT show.
Cannot effing wait! although i will say this again just for my own sake, I vow to not listen to a single snippet of this album until release! no single! no samples/teasers!
I would like to being to say this, but I know I will not be able to resist any official singles/snippets. I'm not going to bother holding myself off of a single, but I will try to get away from snippets. I know I will fail, but I do have other new music to hold me off at least.
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I'm loving the idea of having a song come out about 6 weeks before the album is due to release and another song every two weeks giving us fans 3 songs from the new album. Here's hoping we get a new track from James' album here in another week and he get a song from Dream Theater's new one beginning of August. :metal
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Is anyone else hoping they don't release snippets of the new songs like they did with ADTOE? I feel like they may have ruined specific parts of songs for me because when I listened to them in full for the first time, I kept going, "okay, so when is that part of the song coming? I KNOW IT'S HERE SOMEWHERE"
I guess I could just not listen to the snippets. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE SELF-RESTRAINT THOUGH :'(
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I don't have the self control
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I don't have the self control
Neither do I. I always need to hear how new music sounds ASAP.
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My self-control escapes from me..... stiiiiiilll-aaa
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No, it's not possible for me. Last time I managed to keep half of the album unknown to me until the moment I got the CD (three days after worldwide release). I aim to replicate the effort, but I will for sure listen to the single (should one come before the release date, which is yet to be seen) and to whatever snippet of the album that will be officially released by the band.
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Man, that opinion was completely ridiculous. I'm really glad that we all seem to be pretty much over that "snobbishness" as a forum.
I'm not the biggest fan of the ToT-BC&SL run, but it's pretty much self-evident that there are multiple arcs to DT's fandom. Mainly, I can think of three main areas where new fandoms have jumped aboard and changed the make-up of the overall DT fandom pretty considerably:
1. People who got into DT in the early 90's or earlier, when DT were almost famous.
2. People who got into DT in the early 00's, when, thanks mostly to faster internet, people in general began exploring and sharing tons of music outside commercial channels
3. People who've just got into DT recently, thanks to them being featured in videogames and presented alongside newer bands signed to their label
I got into it in the late 00's thanks to my dad. He played Octavarium in the car a lot and I bought BC&SL myself which would explain my preference.
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3 days from now, 2 years ago, a single was released. We're pretty close, I'm sure.
Of course, about 2 and a half weeks ago, 2 years ago, we had a tracklist, so I don't know. :\
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3 days from now, 2 years ago, a single was released. We're pretty close, I'm sure.
Of course, about 2 and a half weeks ago, 2 years ago, we had a tracklist, so I don't know. :\
Maybe we'll get a big announcement, with tracklist, artwork and a single alltogether!
(wishful thinking)
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That happened because 9 days from now, three years ago, a tour was about to kick off in Rome. They decided to bring a new song on the road in order to give the wider audience the impression of a band always on the moved and facing forward and hence the need of releasing the single before hitting the stages.
No summer tour this time, so there is no need to rush the release of the single. Mixes are still under way, and the mastering phase is still days or weeks ahead of us. If a single has to be release, I see that happening in the second half of July, not earlier. :)
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The day after tomorrow is my birthday. I'm going to be optimistic. :angel:
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3 days from now, 2 years ago, a single was released. We're pretty close, I'm sure.
Of course, about 2 and a half weeks ago, 2 years ago, we had a tracklist, so I don't know. :\
At this point, I think it's best to think of things in terms of distance from release.
76 days from release of ADTOE we had a single
77 days from release of ADTOE Mix+Master was complete
97 days from release of ADTOE we had a tracklist+title
We're now at 92 days from release
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76 days from release of ADTOE we had a single
Of course, DT was only a couple weeks away from starting a world tour at that point. They had to get one of the songs from ADTOE out there so they could play it on tour.
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Man, that opinion was completely ridiculous. I'm really glad that we all seem to be pretty much over that "snobbishness" as a forum.
Personally, as far as I'm concerned, people who make those kinds of statements are just insecure about the fact that it's their 'favorie band' and yet, they dislike the recent stuff. Which I can kind of understand. There have been certain franchises I'd become heavily disenchanted with after they'd gone through some significant changes, and yeah, I've always stayed with the purist mentality about those franchises. But music is different from movies or games. It's not like changing a musical direction can be considered "jumping the shark". Music in general is harder to critique, because it can still move people in different ways. It's not like you can say, "Well, the storyline in this music is too convoluted," or "this character doesn't take the situation seriously which kills the tension" or anything like that.
I don't even know where I'm going with this...
So yeah, the new single! Is it just me, or did DT seem like they were done recording and mixing way quicker the last time around? I mean, at this time, 2 years ago, weren't they already prepping for touring and stuff? So if this album is getting longer to make, it would make sense that we'll be getting a single later on.
Of course, DT was only a couple weeks away from starting a world tour at that point.
Ha, so I was right.
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I understand not liking parts of a bands discography, but simply stating that everyone who doesn't agree doesn't understand music was pretty funny.
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I think they were in more of a hurry last time around. They had a tour coming up in the summer plus they had all that hype surrounding the new drummer. Now they're able to take it easy and do things at a slightly slower pace. They also don't need to rush out a single since the tour doesn't start until after the album comes out. They'll probably want to release a single closer to September to help keep the hype going for the album.
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3 days from now, 2 years ago, a single was released. We're pretty close, I'm sure.
Of course, about 2 and a half weeks ago, 2 years ago, we had a tracklist, so I don't know. :\
I wouldn't base my hopes or expectations on what happened last time, or any other time. Each album is its own entity, with different circumstances. They don't keep to a calendar. When it's done, it's done. When they are ready to give more info, they will give more info.
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I'm calling it. There will be NO SINGLE this time around.
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I'm calling it. There will be NO SINGLE this time around.
Why are you so sure about it? :)
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I'm calling it. There will be NO SINGLE this time around.
Why are you so sure about it? :)
I'm not. But I've got a feeling.
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I'm 100% sure there WILL be a single - even if DT didn't want to release one, Roadrunner would demand it.
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Where's Randy when we need him?!
:lol
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I'm not sure why DT are insistent on still releasing singles - they're not a singles band, they're not going to be played on radio anytime soon. And the fans are going to buy the albums any way, without any help/promotion from singles. On the other hand, would the Grammy nomination have happened if they hadn't released OTBOA as a single?
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I'm 100% sure there WILL be a single - even if DT didn't want to release one, Roadrunner would demand it.
What if the band doesn't feel any of the songs are "single worthy", like maybe outside the context of the album, the song isn't as strong?
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I'm not sure why DT are insistent on still releasing singles - they're not a singles band, they're not going to be played on radio anytime soon. And the fans are going to buy the albums any way, without any help/promotion from singles. On the other hand, would the Grammy nomination have happened if they hadn't released OTBOA as a single?
The internet bro. YouTube.
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Singles definitely aren't just for radio play these days. Yes, a large part of their fanbase will buy the album no matter what, but there will always be some who are undecided, and releasing a song ahead of the album can get them on board. It's also a good way to bring in people who weren't fans before, and it doesn't really take extra effort on the band's part to put a song online. People could happen across it, or someone who is a fan could send a link of an officially uploaded youtube video to a friend of theirs who isn't a fan yet, but might like it.
Really, there's not really any reason for them not to release one.
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Speak for yourselves, I like most of the New music videos for singles
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Singles definitely aren't just for radio play these days. Yes, a large part of their fanbase will buy the album no matter what, but there will always be some who are undecided, and releasing a song ahead of the album can get them on board. It's also a good way to bring in people who weren't fans before, and it doesn't really take extra effort on the band's part to put a song online. People could happen across it, or someone who is a fan could send a link of an officially uploaded youtube video to a friend of theirs who isn't a fan yet, but might like it.
Really, there's not really any reason for them not to release one.
Agreed. For example, a lot of people at Prog Archives were undecided about checking out ADTOE, due to the last 2-3 albums being inconsistent in many people's minds, and listening to On The Backs of Angels definitely changed a lot of members minds and wound up buying ADTOE. Some hadn't bought a DT album since Train of Thought.
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Sounds like they're taking extra time to make it right just like Luna Park. Do you want it fast and sonically meh, or do you want it later and sonically better? People complain about the mix of ADTOE, well wasn't that mixed faster?
Then again they could be making a surround sound version.....
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Don't they have contractual obligation with Roadrunner? I figured that was the only reason they released singles nowadays anyway. Same with the videos.
Somewhat related question for older fans: Would DT release any music prior to the album release in between Scenes and signing with Roadrunner? And if so, how would that work?
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I don't get it. Luigi doesn't have respect for people who like music he doesn't like?
Can't wait for that new album, whooo yeeeaaah.
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The internet bro. YouTube.
Yeah, this. These days, the internet is far better music promotional tool than any radio station or music TV channel. Hence why 'lyrics videos' have become so popular, even though I don't care so much about those.
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3 days from now, 2 years ago, a single was released. We're pretty close, I'm sure.
Of course, about 2 and a half weeks ago, 2 years ago, we had a tracklist, so I don't know. :\
Maybe we'll get a big announcement, with tracklist, artwork and a single alltogether!
(wishful thinking)
soon!
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I'm 100% sure there WILL be a single - even if DT didn't want to release one, Roadrunner would demand it.
What if the band doesn't feel any of the songs are "single worthy", like maybe outside the context of the album, the song isn't as strong?
Well, I HOPE the band didn't write a song just for the express purpose of it being a single. Instead, hopefully they just wrote 9 or so great songs and decided after "ok, this one will be a good teaser for the album".
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There will definitely be a single, because RR need one to promote the album. If the album contains only proggy epics, then some song will probably be edited. However, DT have always had at least one or two songs that can easily be released as singles on each album, so the band and/or RR won't have trouble picking a preview track, I think.
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Just imagine if there were no more announcements... no tracklist... no album art... and we had to wait until September 24th!! :eek
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:marriageanalogy:
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From Meme Theater:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/943220_662486627099672_1720298311_n.jpg)
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Perhaps we'll be extremely lucky and get a midi version of a single. Instead of James singing, they could just dub Microsoft Sam singing on top of the midi.
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Yeah they should just give us the sheet music for the single. We'll figure it out.
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Yeah they should just give us the sheet music for the single. We'll figure it out.
It would just be a big black sheet of paper
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Yeah they should just give us the sheet music for the single. We'll figure it out.
It would just be a big black sheet of paper
Th Black Page.
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Yeah they should just give us the sheet music for the single. We'll figure it out.
It would just be a big black sheet of paper
Th Black Page.
totally out of the exorcist
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That's what Beck did for his last "album"...all sheet music.
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What a loser.
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What a loser.
So why don't you kill him ? ::)
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What a loser.
So why don't you kill him ? ::)
:|
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I'm sure the Grammy nomination factors into the single. It has to get out and get circulated for a while. Sure looks like it helped them the last time.
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From this JR interview
https://m.musicradar.com/news/tech/jordan-rudess-talks-new-apps-keyboards-pledgemusic-and-dream-theaters-next-album-579066
And on top of all of this, you're finishing the new Dream Theater album. What can you tell me about it at this point?
"We're mixing it as we speak. It's all very, very exciting. One of the cool things about Dream Theater is, we don't slow down, and I don't mean just work-wise. You see some of these groups that have been around, and sometimes they drift away from their core fundamental styles. They get a little tired or their chops get tired.
"With our group, that isn't the case. I don't know how everybody does it, but we all stay energized, excited, focused. We practice, and we're into it. I really see us as being more vital than ever before. I'm listening to the new record, and it's giving me chills. It's that great! And I have to say that sonically we've never sounded better."
This is the second album with Mike Mangini. On the last album, he was definitely "the new guy," but now he's played many, many shows with you –
"That's right. And you can tell. He's totally dialed in. People will be smiling when they hear this. There's so much Mangini on this album. [Laughs] To me, in a lot of ways, this is his album, because he's now a total member of this group – the shining star."
The record is self-titled. What went into that decision?
"We really feel as though we got to this level where the music is what we truly are. Even though we've had a long career, and some of the albums are really, really good, at this place in time we felt like this record is so representative of what we want Dream Theater to be and who each of us is, both as individuals and collectively. We felt like we could honestly say, 'This is Dream Theater.' That's what it's about. We wanted to make a strong statement, and we felt proud enough and secure enough to announce to the world, if you will, 'This is what it is. This is who we are.'"
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What a loser.
So why don't you kill him ? ::)
:pwnt:
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"I'm listening to the new record, and it's giving me chills. It's that great! And I have to say that sonically we've never sounded better."
:omg: :heart :hefdaddy Can it be September already?
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"We're mixing it as we speak. It's all very, very exciting. One of the cool things about Dream Theater is, we don't slow down, and I don't mean just work-wise. You see some of these groups that have been around, and sometimes they drift away from their core fundamental styles. They get a little tired or their chops get tired.
"With our group, that isn't the case. I don't know how everybody does it, but we all stay energized, excited, focused. We practice, and we're into it. I really see us as being more vital than ever before. I'm listening to the new record, and it's giving me chills. It's that great! And I have to say that sonically we've never sounded better."
"That's right. And you can tell. He's totally dialed in. People will be smiling when they hear this. There's so much Mangini on this album. [Laughs] To me, in a lot of ways, this is his album, because he's now a total member of this group – the shining star."
"We really feel as though we got to this level where the music is what we truly are. Even though we've had a long career, and some of the albums are really, really good, at this place in time we felt like this record is so representative of what we want Dream Theater to be and who each of us is, both as individuals and collectively. We felt like we could honestly say, 'This is Dream Theater.' That's what it's about. We wanted to make a strong statement, and we felt proud enough and secure enough to announce to the world, if you will, 'This is what it is. This is who we are.'"
This really gets me excited, all of it.
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I'm 100% sure there WILL be a single - even if DT didn't want to release one, Roadrunner would demand it.
What if the band doesn't feel any of the songs are "single worthy", like maybe outside the context of the album, the song isn't as strong?
Well, I HOPE the band didn't write a song just for the express purpose of it being a single. Instead, hopefully they just wrote 9 or so great songs and decided after "ok, this one will be a good teaser for the album".
Well last time, the 'single' was On the Backs of Angels, which they released in full. When they release singles these days, it's 100% targeted at the internet, and possibly satellite radio.
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From this JR interview
https://m.musicradar.com/news/tech/jordan-rudess-talks-new-apps-keyboards-pledgemusic-and-dream-theaters-next-album-579066
And on top of all of this, you're finishing the new Dream Theater album. What can you tell me about it at this point?
"We're mixing it as we speak. It's all very, very exciting. One of the cool things about Dream Theater is, we don't slow down, and I don't mean just work-wise. You see some of these groups that have been around, and sometimes they drift away from their core fundamental styles. They get a little tired or their chops get tired.
"With our group, that isn't the case. I don't know how everybody does it, but we all stay energized, excited, focused. We practice, and we're into it. I really see us as being more vital than ever before. I'm listening to the new record, and it's giving me chills. It's that great! And I have to say that sonically we've never sounded better."
This is the second album with Mike Mangini. On the last album, he was definitely "the new guy," but now he's played many, many shows with you –
"That's right. And you can tell. He's totally dialed in. People will be smiling when they hear this. There's so much Mangini on this album. [Laughs] To me, in a lot of ways, this is his album, because he's now a total member of this group – the shining star."
The record is self-titled. What went into that decision?
"We really feel as though we got to this level where the music is what we truly are. Even though we've had a long career, and some of the albums are really, really good, at this place in time we felt like this record is so representative of what we want Dream Theater to be and who each of us is, both as individuals and collectively. We felt like we could honestly say, 'This is Dream Theater.' That's what it's about. We wanted to make a strong statement, and we felt proud enough and secure enough to announce to the world, if you will, 'This is what it is. This is who we are.'"
:jawdrop:
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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They are setting the expectations very very high. I'm not gonna get caught up in the hype. I will buy the album, like all other DT
albums and I will find a place where I can listen alone and uninterrupted. And I'll let the music do the talking.
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They are setting the expectations very very high. I'm not gonna get caught up in the hype. I will buy the album, like all other DT
albums and I will find a place where I can listen alone and uninterrupted. And I'll let the music do the talking. turn the water into wine.
I do this way too often. XD
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They are setting the expectations very very high. I'm not gonna get caught up in the hype. I will buy the album, like all other DT
albums and I will find a place where I can listen alone and uninterrupted. And I'll let the music do the talking.
I "believed the hype" over ADTOE and was totally let down. But more MM really sounds promising, also the fact that they put their "name stamp" on this album.
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No offense, but Jordan has a tendency to be aware of what fans are saying and speak to the crowd. I love JR, so don't take this as a slight, but I still remember the interviews where he said that BC&SL was more dynamic sounding and that JP had taken to writing lyrics about "real things" again :D
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No offense, but Jordan has a tendency to be aware of what fans are saying and speak to the crowd. I love JR, so don't take this as a slight, but I still remember the interviews where he said that BC&SL was more dynamic sounding and that JP had taken to writing lyrics about "real things" again :D
Well car accidents, the Illuminati, writer's block, and Tuscan Counts are real things.
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No offense, but Jordan has a tendency to be aware of what fans are saying and speak to the crowd. I love JR, so don't take this as a slight, but I still remember the interviews where he said that BC&SL was more dynamic sounding and that JP had taken to writing lyrics about "real things" again :D
Well car accidents, the Illuminati, writer's block, and Tuscan Counts are real things.
FTFM ;D
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No offense, but Jordan has a tendency to be aware of what fans are saying and speak to the crowd. I love JR, so don't take this as a slight, but I still remember the interviews where he said that BC&SL was more dynamic sounding and that JP had taken to writing lyrics about "real things" again :D
Well, ya know, he's not completely wrong about that. Sure the lyrics can be pretty lame, but JP did start writing about real things again. And I think BC&SL is far more dynamic than SC.
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What a loser.
So why don't you kill him ? ::)
:|
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loser_(Beck_song) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loser_(Beck_song))
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No offense, but Jordan has a tendency to be aware of what fans are saying and speak to the crowd. I love JR, so don't take this as a slight, but I still remember the interviews where he said that BC&SL was more dynamic sounding and that JP had taken to writing lyrics about "real things" again :D
In all fairness, he was correct.
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What a loser.
So why don't you kill him ? ::)
:|
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loser_(Beck_song) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loser_(Beck_song))
:rollin :rollin :rollin :tup
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No offense, but Jordan has a tendency to be aware of what fans are saying and speak to the crowd. I love JR, so don't take this as a slight, but I still remember the interviews where he said that BC&SL was more dynamic sounding and that JP had taken to writing lyrics about "real things" again :D
In all fairness, he was correct.
I agree with this, especially when compared to the SC as was mentioned previously by another poster. Though I can also understand the reasoning behind not getting to carried away by the hype...but for me personally I just can't help it :lol
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What a loser.
So why don't you kill him ? ::)
:|
It takes a wikipedia article to explain that? ::) Kids these days.
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We felt like we could honestly say, 'This is Dream Theater.' That's what it's about. We wanted to make a strong statement, and we felt proud enough and secure enough to announce to the world, if you will, 'This is what it is. This is who we are.'"
Awesome to hear! :tup
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Damn you, Jordan! I'm trying not to be overly hyped about this and then you go and say something like that... :lol
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This makes me even more excited!
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That's it.
(https://cdn0.meme.li/instances/300x300/39145623.jpg)
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(https://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw0tc9VpTp1qk52jj.gif)
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Damn you, Jordan! I'm trying not to be overly hyped about this and then you go and say something like that... :lol
Yeah...
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Damn you, Jordan! I'm trying not to be overly hyped about this and then you go and say something like that... :lol
Yeah...
I have now officially embraced the hype... Can't go back now... :biggrin:
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You think hype is your ally? You merely adopted the hype.
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That's it.
(https://cdn0.meme.li/instances/300x300/39145623.jpg)
That's actually quite funny pic because there is over +30 celsius degrees here in Finland right now. And you know that Finland is not the hottest country in the world...
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That's it.
(https://cdn0.meme.li/instances/300x300/39145623.jpg)
I love it, stealing...
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The intro of The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (on repeat) is helping to ease the not being able to wait for something.
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The intro of The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (on repeat) is helping to ease the not being able to wait for something.
Haha, you're really liking it aren't you? :biggrin:
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It is an excellent intro and the whole song is awesome :)
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(https://i.imgur.com/ZVNQvuV.jpg)
:D :D :D
I'm so freaking happy right now :metal :metal
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The intro of The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (on repeat) is helping to ease the not being able to wait for something.
What if that + the lyric sheet was the single?
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That's it.
(https://cdn0.meme.li/instances/300x300/39145623.jpg)
:rollin
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That's actually quite funny pic because there is over +30 celsius degrees here in Finland right now. And you know that Finland is not the hottest country in the world...
Now as in today? That's funny, in Norway it's cold and rainy today. +12 right outside Oslo, which is ridiculously cold considering its June and all. If this is the summer standard this year it may even start snowing before DT12 comes out, lol.
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^It hasn't been 30 degrees in the part of Finland where I live today, but hot enough.
(sorry for the OT)
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(sorry for the HOT)
FTFY
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(sorry for the HOT)
FTFY
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According to JLB's Twitter, the European shows are Evening With! I hope the same goes for North America!
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:omg: :o :yarr :metal :biggrin: :eek :hefdaddy
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Great! I just hope they put back the Swedish show in February, it disappeared from the tour dates yesterday :sadpanda:
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According to JLB's Twitter, the European shows are Evening With! I hope the same goes for North America!
Hmmm, I don't see it on there?
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According to JLB's Twitter, the European shows are Evening With! I hope the same goes for North America!
Hmmm, I don't see it on there?
I can confirm this.
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Yeah, I can't see that on JLB's Twitter, but it's pretty much confirmed anyway (see the Concerts forum for various bits of evidence).
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I don't see it either. Odd. We got punk'd.
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Nice. It makes me wonder then if a few longer songs will make it back into the mix on the 2014 touring cycle. I know Setlist Scotty said JP had said The Count... was too long to play on the ADTOE tour, but with 3 hours to play with every night, instead of 2+, it should make it easier for some of those to come back. In the Name of God, The Glass Prison and either Octavarium or A Change of Seasons would be sweet to see back in the set lists.
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Octavarium's return is overdue. :D
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These are some predictions I made over in the Concerts forum:
I'm gonna stick my neck on the line here with this prediction/hope:
Setlist A:
1. The Glass Prison
2. Strange Deja Vu
3. Afterlife
4. Panic Attack
5. This is the Life
6. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
7. Take the Time
8. In the Name of God
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9. Dream Theater
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10. A Change of Seasons
Setlist B:
1. In the Presence of Enemies, Pt. 1
2. Under A Glass Moon
3. Blind Faith
4. Wither
5. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
6. The Dance of Eternity
7. Only a Matter of Time
8. Vacant
9. Breaking All Illusions
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10. Dream Theater
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11. Octavarium
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Good! Opening bands are a waste of time I think. I just want DT.
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Setlist A:
1. The Glass Prison
2. Strange Deja Vu
3. Afterlife
4. Panic Attack
5. This is the Life
6. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
7. Take the Time
8. In the Name of God
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9. Dream Theater
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10. A Change of Seasons
If I got to see this setlist live, it would make my day week year life.
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Ok so going with the evening with format of the shows and given that theses types of shows have been quite rough on JLB could we then predict that maybe the new album could be a double album one of the sides being all one song possibly an instrumental with an orchestra?
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I hope not.
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I'm calling it. There will be NO SINGLE this time around.
Why are you so sure about it? :)
I'm not. But I've got a feeling.
Already settled.
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Ya know what's overdue? Them doing a Rotterdam-type section on a regular basis. I am talking like 4-5 mellow-ish songs in a row while the band is all at the front of the stage. Stick that in the middle of the second set, and fans will eat it up.
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Ya know what's overdue? Them doing a Rotterdam-type section on a regular basis. I am talking like 4-5 mellow-ish songs in a row while the band is all at the front of the stage. Stick that in the middle of the second set, and fans will eat it up.
Anna Lee, Wither, Beneath The Surface, Hollow Years and Disappear
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Ya know what's overdue? Them doing a Rotterdam-type section on a regular basis. I am talking like 4-5 mellow-ish songs in a row while the band is all at the front of the stage. Stick that in the middle of the second set, and fans will eat it up.
Anna Lee, Wither, Beneath The Surface, Hollow Years and Disappear
This Is The Life, and then Wait For Sleep INTO Learning to Live. Some fan would cry with happiness.
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Ya know what's overdue? Them doing a Rotterdam-type section on a regular basis. I am talking like 4-5 mellow-ish songs in a row while the band is all at the front of the stage. Stick that in the middle of the second set, and fans will eat it up.
Anna Lee, Wither, Beneath The Surface, Hollow Years and Disappear
I could fap to that.
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Ya know what's overdue? Them doing a Rotterdam-type section on a regular basis. I am talking like 4-5 mellow-ish songs in a row while the band is all at the front of the stage. Stick that in the middle of the second set, and fans will eat it up.
Anna Lee, Wither, Beneath The Surface, Hollow Years and Disappear
I could fap to that.
Dude, you could probably fap to anything!
;D
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Using their touring history since 2004 as a guideline, I can confirm with 96.3547% accuracy that their North American Tour in 2014 will NOT include a St. Louis venue and/or date. Please sleep well knowing that.
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They haven't stopped by St. Lous since the balcony accident? :eek
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Ya know what's overdue? Them doing a Rotterdam-type section on a regular basis. I am talking like 4-5 mellow-ish songs in a row while the band is all at the front of the stage. Stick that in the middle of the second set, and fans will eat it up.
Well, good thing both acoustic sets are gonna be on the Luna Park DVD, because it'll hopefully be just that!
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Can you confirm the evening with idea? also I doubt they'll play TGP as MP features too heavily on vocals and I dont see JP doing it
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I think JP could do MP's parts. I honestly don't see that as an issue - after all, they played WIMH and TTTSTA on the last tour.
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I think JP could do MP's parts. I honestly don't see that as an issue - after all, they played WIMH and TTTSTA on the last tour.
Agreed. They put the "mp parts can't be done live now " to rest. I would say anything but the best of times is on the table... and maybe raw dog
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But can he do MP's part on Nightmare though ??? That would be funny to watch.
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DAY AFTER DAY
OTHER ASSORTED RORORORO
EVERYONE SURVIVED
DEATHLAZER MODE RORORORORO
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But can he do MP's part on Nightmare though ??? That would be funny to watch.
They should just do the 'Hopelessly Drifting' part of that song in a medley and forget the rest of it anyway IMO.....
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But can he do MP's part on Nightmare though ??? That would be funny to watch.
They should just do the 'Hopelessly Drifting' part of that song in a medley and forget the rest of it anyway IMO.....
That would actually be a great part of a ballad medley!
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DAY AFTER DAY
OTHER ASSORTED RORORORO
EVERYONE SURVIVED
DEATHLAZER MODE RORORORORO
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Well they did use ANTR as a tryout song
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Honestly, JLB could do that part in ANTR with a different vocal style, some sort of shriek that would fit with a heavy section like that.
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That might work, but... :mehlin
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JLB death growl!!!
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They could do that section with the original vocal melody and lyrics JP had intended. However, I think the best option would be to just play Beautiful Agony and forget about the rest of the song :P
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How about a John Myung death growl? :biggrin:
...no? No one else thinks this is gonna happen?
...but in all seriousness I would love to see ANTR come back in one form or another because I do like it quite a bit, cookie monster vocals or not :heart
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I actually like Mike's part in ANTR. Sure it's silly, but it's fun.
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Ya know what's overdue? Them doing a Rotterdam-type section on a regular basis. I am talking like 4-5 mellow-ish songs in a row while the band is all at the front of the stage. Stick that in the middle of the second set, and fans will eat it up.
Anna Lee, Wither, Beneath The Surface, Hollow Years and Disappear
I could fap to that.
Dude, you could probably fap to anything!
;D
Yeah, so?
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I thought I read or heard somewhere that they used pre-recorded vocals for Mike's parts in ANTR this last tour. Can someone call bullshit on that for me? Did JP sing? ???
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I thought I read or heard somewhere that they used pre-recorded vocals for Mike's parts in ANTR this last tour. Can someone call bullshit on that for me? Did JP sing? ???
They didn't play ANTR since 2010.
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They haven played ANTR live since Mike left the band
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They haven't stopped by St. Lous since the balcony accident? :eek
Yep. I think that was it. I'm usually road tripping to Kansas City or Chicago. Did a Milwaukee / Chicago trip for Progressive Nation, the BC&SL tour. I would think St. Louis could support them and we have a couple venues that are similar to the others they play...just waiting for a promoter to get them here.
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I thought I read or heard somewhere that they used pre-recorded vocals for Mike's parts in ANTR this last tour. Can someone call bullshit on that for me? Did JP sing? ???
The thing that they did do for the first time on this tour was use sampled tracks for some of the backing vocals, but it's just a misconception/half-joke that any of them were MP. JP sang almost all of the backing vocals, except a few which just came from nowhere (the sampled ones). However, if you look closely, most of what JP was singing he was just singing along or lip-syncing to a track anyway :-\ (best examples being WIMH and TDEN)
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I wondering if they'll ever come back to Minnesota after the last show in 2012. According to the box office numbers someone posted on MP's site in the DT thread, there were 1000 empty seats, but still got a nice profit. But maybe Evening With will draw people back.
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They could do that section with the original vocal melody and lyrics JP had intended. However, I think the best option would be to just play Beautiful Agony and forget about the rest of the song :P
No. That's a terrible idea.
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I thought I read or heard somewhere that they used pre-recorded vocals for Mike's parts in ANTR this last tour. Can someone call bullshit on that for me? Did JP sing? ???
The thing that they did do for the first time on this tour was use sampled tracks for some of the backing vocals, but it's just a misconception/half-joke that any of them were MP. JP sang almost all of the backing vocals, except a few which just came from nowhere (the sampled ones). However, if you look closely, most of what JP was singing he was just singing along or lip-syncing to a track anyway :-\ (best examples being WIMH and TDEN)
Ok, so I'm not completely insane. I haven't seen them live since the Chaos in Motion tour, so I've never seen them do ANTR. I was using that as an example, really. I was looking for confirmation that there were in fact pre recorded backing tracks. :biggrin:
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They could do that section with the original vocal melody and lyrics JP had intended. However, I think the best option would be to just play Beautiful Agony and forget about the rest of the song :P
No. That's a terrible idea.
It was a bit of a joke, because I know DT would play the full thing and I do like the song, but after the mellow part it goes downhill.
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They could do that section with the original vocal melody and lyrics JP had intended. However, I think the best option would be to just play Beautiful Agony and forget about the rest of the song :P
No. That's a terrible idea.
It was a bit of a joke, because I know DT would play the full thing and I do like the song, but after the mellow part it goes downhill.
I know, I was just being a jerk. It's what I do. Sorry. :lol
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No. That's a terrible idea.
haha yes. I hope they never ever ever play a cut version of any song again. a quick pace medley of MANY songs like the Instrumedly is acceptable, but not ideal.
It's like-
Cutting Take The Time = giving your mother the middle finger after she's made you a steak dinner
Cutting Voices = Pissing on the bible after spending 6 hours in church
Schmedly Wilcox = Going to Disneyland for $80 and not buying a frozen chocolate covered banana.
Cutting Metropolis = John Petrucci calls you on the phone, tells you he wants to come over and jam with you tomorrow and he'll bring some Pita Pit to snack on, says James and Mike want to come too if it's not too much of a hassle, knocks on your door the next day, you open the door, you say hi, he walks away, Charlie Dominici comes out of nowhere and pisses on you, walks away while still pissing, accidentally gets some piss on John Petrucci, and John Petrucci murders Dominici in front of you by stepping on him like an ant, and then you wake up and realize it was just a dream anyway.
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No. That's a terrible idea.
haha yes. I hope they never ever ever play a cut version of any song again. a quick pace medley of MANY songs like the Instrumedly is acceptable, but not ideal.
It's like-
Cutting Take The Time = giving your mother the middle finger after she's made you a steak dinner
Cutting Voices = Pissing on the bible after spending 6 hours in church
Schmedly Wilcox = Going to Disneyland for $80 and not buying a frozen chocolate covered banana.
Cutting Metropolis = John Petrucci calls you on the phone, tells you he wants to come over and jam with you tomorrow and he'll bring some Pita Pit to snack on, says James and Mike want to come too if it's not too much of a hassle, knocks on your door the next day, you open the door, you say hi, he walks away, Charlie Dominici comes out of nowhere and pisses on you, walks away while still pissing, accidentally gets some piss on John Petrucci, and John Petrucci murders Dominici in front of you by stepping on him like an ant, and then you wake up and realize it was just a dream anyway.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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If I did drugs.... I think it would feel like this.
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They haven't stopped by St. Lous since the balcony accident? :eek
Yep. I think that was it. I'm usually road tripping to Kansas City or Chicago. Did a Milwaukee / Chicago trip for Progressive Nation, the BC&SL tour. I would think St. Louis could support them and we have a couple venues that are similar to the others they play...just waiting for a promoter to get them here.
The Pageant was packed when they did that show here back in '04, so the only reason I can think of, to explain why they haven't been back, is that the promoter there now doesn't think they will draw.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n9235FZAw8
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How about a John Myung death growl? :biggrin:
Watch that will be the loudest of them all! :lol
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Cutting Voices = Having sex right there on someone's crucifix
FTFY
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Cutting Voices = Shitting right here on someone's crucifix
FTFY
Fixed :JayOctavarium:
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"Shit is right here on my crucifix" :metalol:
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:lol :lol :lol :lol Haha You guys rock
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Cutting Voices = Shitting right here on someone's crucifix
FTFY
Fixed :JayOctavarium:
"Shit is right here on my crucifix" :metalol:
:rollin Brilliant! :clap:
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Good morning, just wanted to say hi! Been lurking this post since somewhere before page 100 and you people are just my kind of weird. At least weird enough for me to want to register. Thanks for all the laughs during the last few days at work reading through this beautiful mess. :tup
I've just added my info to the DTF Official Profile Thread (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=209.msg1603827#msg1603827).
Greetings...
Nef
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Welcome Nef! If you thought this was crazy, you should see the days before the tour starts and when the album itself actually comes out. We'll find connections that even the band would never have thought :lol
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Good morning, just wanted to say hi! Been lurking this post since somewhere before page 100 and you people are just my kind of weird. At least weird enough for me to want to register. Thanks for all the laughs during the last few days at work reading through this beautiful mess. :tup
Greetings...
Nef
If you've been following this thread since page 100, and still wanted to sign up, then I think you'll fit in just fine. :lol Welcome!
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If you've been following this thread since page 100, and still wanted to sign up, then I think you'll fit in just fine. :lol Welcome!
haha :D
But well, Blob is absolutely right
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...you should see the days before the tour starts and when the album itself actually comes out...
Thanks! I guess I'll live through that soon enough. I really like rare and shiny things the special editions of BCSL and ADTOE, so I'm looking forward to the deluxe box set preorder for DT12. And I've already (over-)analyzed the tour dates: I'll see them in Vienna (5th time DT@Gasometer for me) on the 25th of January which is the 9th concert in support of the new album. So the tour will still be kinda fresh and exciting but they will have had enough time to get back into tour life and the sets. And the 24th is both a day off and JM's birthday, so they should be reasonably well rested and energized.
Greetings...
Nef
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Hi Nef, welcome to the madness!
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Hi Nef, welcome to the madness!
(https://www.cheatengine.org/forum/files/sparta_223.jpg)
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I've only been on here for a couple of weeks, and I can already tell that all the people on here are slightly insane. Anyway, welcome Nef :coolio
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I've only been on here for a couple of weeks, and I can already tell that all the people on here are slightly insane. Anyway, welcome Nef :coolio
If you're not insane, you're not DTF material.
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So, like, are they LIVING in this studio, or what? It must have been like six months already!
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DT are taking the time to make the album sound good!
The writing also took longer, because this time they didn't know the structures for 2/3 of the songs in advance :neverusethis:
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Welcome Nef :D If you lived through the past 20 pages you have good chances to settle down here!
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Hi!
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...If you lived through the past 20 pages...
Well, they had speculation, facts, bad puns, DT comics, chocolate cake... what's not to love?
About the new album, since the moment I've read it's going to be self titled I've had this image in my mind... a somewhat minimalistic cover with an angled 3D Majesty symbol glistening and gleaming with a background made of stormy clouds, heavy rain and lightning. But not done with any super fancy and probably cheesy and bad CG rendering but solely as a pencil scribble in a rough sketch style with some detailled shading done by a good pencil artist. Predominantly medium to dark greys, some light greys and lightning whites, some deep black shadows, the Majesty symbol with a silver sparkle and the band's name in white in one of the corners.
It's been years since my last attempts at pencil art so I won't try anything that couldn't compete with the image in my head anyway, but the description should be enough for everyone to get the imagination going.
Greetings...
Nef
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...If you lived through the past 20 pages...
Well, they had speculation, facts, bad puns, DT comics, chocolate cake... what's not to love?
About the new album, since the moment I've read it's going to be self titled I've had this image in my mind... a somewhat minimalistic cover with an angled 3D Majesty symbol glistening and gleaming with a background made of stormy clouds, heavy rain and lightning. But not done with any super fancy and probably cheesy and bad CG rendering but solely as a pencil scribble in a rough sketch style with some detailled shading done by a good pencil artist. Predominantly medium to dark greys, some light greys and lightning whites, some deep black shadows, the Majesty symbol with a silver sparkle and the band's name in white in one of the corners.
It's been years since my last attempts at pencil art so I won't try anything that couldn't compete with the image in my head anyway, but the description should be enough for everyone to get the imagination going.
Greetings...
Nef
That would look also great on a t-shirt.
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...If you lived through the past 20 pages...
Well, they had speculation, facts, bad puns, DT comics, chocolate cake... what's not to love?
About the new album, since the moment I've read it's going to be self titled I've had this image in my mind... a somewhat minimalistic cover with an angled 3D Majesty symbol glistening and gleaming with a background made of stormy clouds, heavy rain and lightning. But not done with any super fancy and probably cheesy and bad CG rendering but solely as a pencil scribble in a rough sketch style with some detailled shading done by a good pencil artist. Predominantly medium to dark greys, some light greys and lightning whites, some deep black shadows, the Majesty symbol with a silver sparkle and the band's name in white in one of the corners.
It's been years since my last attempts at pencil art so I won't try anything that couldn't compete with the image in my head anyway, but the description should be enough for everyone to get the imagination going.
Greetings...
Nef
That would look also great on a t-shirt.
......or a onesie
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When i said about no more TGP I didn't mean that they would never play a song with MP vox in it, there is just too much in it to pull it off IMO
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Nef VS Hef
War on Heaven has begun
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Nef VS Hef
War on Heaven has begun
They even look alike! (if Nef's avatar is him)
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https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/349965583019802624
I know someone mentioned it, but no one linked to it so here it is! Confirmation from the pirate!
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Yaaaay another long time lurker takes the plunge! Hi Nef!
https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/349965583019802624
I know someone mentioned it, but no one linked to it so here it is! Confirmation from the pirate!
:metal :metal :metal
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Nef VS Hef
War on Heaven has begun
lol
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Yaaaay another long time lurker takes the plunge! Hi Nef!
https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/349965583019802624
I know someone mentioned it, but no one linked to it so here it is! Confirmation from the pirate!
:metal :metal :metal
"JUST US AND THE FANS"!!!! THERE WON'T BE ANY OPENERS OH MY GOD YEEEESSSS
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That works for Europe, I wonder if it can translate to the US though. I really hope it does.
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As someone who never saw DT doing "An Evening With..." before, I am excited beyond all previous definitions of excitement. Even if the new album blows (I'm expecting greatness, but you never know), I cannot wait to see them do SO MUCH MUSIC.
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That works for Europe, I wonder if it can translate to the US though. I really hope it does.
Oh man me toooooooo...I would be so so sad if they finished with the European tour and then said "Ummmm yeah that was a terrible idea" and then brought out a supporting band in the states. Don't get me wrong I thoroughly enjoyed Crimson Projeckt last time, and I personally think Trivium is decent, but the opener for BC&SL was not enjoyable for me and besides...I don't wanna see that stuff at a DT show...I just want mah DT!
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Black Clouds should have been better. DT fans would have enjoyed PoS more than... BigElf.
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When i said about no more TGP I didn't mean that they would never play a song with MP vox in it, there is just too much in it to pull it off IMO
Huh? ??? 4 of the 5 current members WROTE the song and Mangini is MORE than capable of learning that song. Actually I'd love to hear him drum TGP because in all the live versions I've seen online MP takes some 'breaks' on the bass drum parts here and there. Hey, he wrote the song and that was his prerogative...but he didn't play the 'studio' version of the drums on a lot of the recordings out there.
I think Mangini would nail that song note for note and sound killer doing so. To me it's silly to think they couldn't pull that song off.
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Prog Nation had good support bands, but the other tours...no. We gave them a few minutes, then waited outside.
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Could someone explain to me exactly what "An Evening With" means?
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Could someone explain to me exactly what "An Evening With" means?
No opening bands. The time the opening bands would have taken up goes towards Dream Theater's show.
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Could someone explain to me exactly what "An Evening With" means?
The concert goes from 2 hours to 3 hours long.
Just a longer concert.
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Could someone explain to me exactly what "An Evening With" means?
It's DT's nice way of saying "prepare your anus, we're going in dry."
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It's DT's nice way of saying "prepare your anus, we're going in dry."
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Could someone explain to me exactly what "An Evening With" means?
It's DT's nice way of saying "prepare your anus, we're going in dry."
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When i said about no more TGP I didn't mean that they would never play a song with MP vox in it, there is just too much in it to pull it off IMO
Huh? ??? 4 of the 5 current members WROTE the song and Mangini is MORE than capable of learning that song. Actually I'd love to hear him drum TGP because in all the live versions I've seen online MP takes some 'breaks' on the bass drum parts here and there. Hey, he wrote the song and that was his prerogative...but he didn't play the 'studio' version of the drums on a lot of the recordings out there.
I think Mangini would nail that song note for note and sound killer doing so. To me it's silly to think they couldn't pull that song off.
Of course they can play it, I'm talking about MP's vocals!
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Could someone explain to me exactly what "An Evening With" means?
The concert goes from 2 hours to 3 hours long.
Just a longer concert.
doesn't it also imply an intermission and is there a possibility of even exceeding 3 hours? Also, what did we call the shows last year in South America? Those didn't have an opening act and they were almost as long as Score or Budokan, but they weren't called Evening With, were they?
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JLB could easily do all of the vocals in the first verse of The Glass Prison. They would sound hurried, given the furious nature of the song, but if he can do the pre-chorus part of The Dark Eternal Night all by himself, he can do the first verse of The Glass Prison. And the shouting vocals later in the song ("Run!") could easily either be omitted or done by JP. Shouting a word or two isn't exactly difficult. :lol
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JLB could easily do all of the vocals in the first verse of The Glass Prison. They would sound hurried, given the furious nature of the song, but if he can do the pre-chorus part of The Dark Eternal Night all by himself, he can do the first verse of The Glass Prison. And the shouting vocals later in the song ("Run!") could easily either be omitted or done by JP. Shouting a word or two isn't exactly difficult. :lol
Yeah but later on when it's back and forth between MP and JLB (example when labrie says: BELIEVE) wouldn't be so easy
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This wait is killing me. I didn't know how to kill the time, so I went for a killer whale.
https://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/5//3970/3970473_sprite198.swf (https://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/5//3970/3970473_sprite198.swf)
I hope it will be useful, I actually think it's killer.
...and yes, next album will kill.
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This wait is killing me. I didn't know how to kill the time, so I went for a killer whale.
https://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/5//3970/3970473_sprite198.swf (https://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/5//3970/3970473_sprite198.swf)
I hope it will be useful, I actually think it's killer.
:omg:
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This wait is killing me. I didn't know how to kill the time, so I went for a killer whale.
https://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/5//3970/3970473_sprite198.swf (https://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/5//3970/3970473_sprite198.swf)
I hope it will be useful, I actually think it's killer.
...and yes, next album will kill.
Between this and Google's doodles - I never get anything done :biggrin:
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@Marco: there goes my evening.
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This wait is killing me. I didn't know how to kill the time, so I went for a killer whale.
https://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/5//3970/3970473_sprite198.swf (https://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/5//3970/3970473_sprite198.swf)
I hope it will be useful, I actually think it's killer.
...and yes, next album will kill.
This is the coolest thing i've ever seen on the internets.
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JLB could easily do all of the vocals in the first verse of The Glass Prison. They would sound hurried, given the furious nature of the song, but if he can do the pre-chorus part of The Dark Eternal Night all by himself, he can do the first verse of The Glass Prison. And the shouting vocals later in the song ("Run!") could easily either be omitted or done by JP. Shouting a word or two isn't exactly difficult. :lol
Yeah but later on when it's back and forth between MP and JLB (example when labrie says: BELIEVE) wouldn't be so easy
They're already been incorporating pre-recorded backup vocals on the last tour, so I don't see why they can't use MP's parts, or have JLB pre-record MP's parts, and then sing his own parts live.
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Could someone explain to me exactly what "An Evening With" means?
It's DT's nice way of saying "prepare your anus, we're going in dry."
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JLB could easily do all of the vocals in the first verse of The Glass Prison. They would sound hurried, given the furious nature of the song, but if he can do the pre-chorus part of The Dark Eternal Night all by himself, he can do the first verse of The Glass Prison. And the shouting vocals later in the song ("Run!") could easily either be omitted or done by JP. Shouting a word or two isn't exactly difficult. :lol
Yeah but later on when it's back and forth between MP and JLB (example when labrie says: BELIEVE) wouldn't be so easy
They're already been incorporating pre-recorded backup vocals on the last tour, so I don't see why they can't use MP's parts, or have JLB pre-record MP's parts, and then sing his own parts live.
Or just dumb that part down to exclude certain vocal parts. That gets done fairly often, by many bands, so it wouldn't be an issue.
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Could someone explain to me exactly what "An Evening With" means?
It's DT's nice way of saying "prepare your anus, we're going in dry."
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:lol
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When i said about no more TGP I didn't mean that they would never play a song with MP vox in it, there is just too much in it to pull it off IMO
Huh? ??? 4 of the 5 current members WROTE the song and Mangini is MORE than capable of learning that song. Actually I'd love to hear him drum TGP because in all the live versions I've seen online MP takes some 'breaks' on the bass drum parts here and there. Hey, he wrote the song and that was his prerogative...but he didn't play the 'studio' version of the drums on a lot of the recordings out there.
I think Mangini would nail that song note for note and sound killer doing so. To me it's silly to think they couldn't pull that song off.
Of course they can play it, I'm talking about MP's vocals!
Oh, OK. My bad. I interpreted it as 'they couldn't play the song'
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Or just dumb that part down to exclude certain vocal parts. That gets done fairly often, by many bands, so it wouldn't be an issue.
That's true too. I've actually sung the verses to TSF by myself, and it works just fine.
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DT can do the backing vocal tracks now that they have Mangini (cause he obviously plays to a click track). MP didn't play to a click track (which is obvious cause he was always speeding things up faster than they're supposed to be, EXAMPLE: Intro to TGP), so they couldn't have backing tracks because they wouldn't match up properly.
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DT can do the backing vocal tracks now that they have Mangini (cause he obviously plays to a click track). MP didn't play to a click track (which is obvious cause he was always speeding things up faster than they're supposed to be, EXAMPLE: Intro to TGP), so they couldn't have backing tracks because they wouldn't match up properly.
I wonder if that's why they never play TDoT in full
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I guess I shouldn't say "faster than they're supposed to be", cause that kinda sounds like an attack on MP, but faster than they were on the album.
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I guess I shouldn't say "faster than they're supposed to be", cause that kinda sounds like an attack on MP, but faster than they were on the album.
In the Budokan Instrumedley, the first part of the Dance of Eternity is definitely faster than normal
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Yeah, and that wasn't ever really THAT much of a problem, except in songs like TDEN and TGP where poor JP has to play a solo that's already ridiculously hard to begin with, like 30% faster.
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:lol :lol :lol
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Could someone explain to me exactly what "An Evening With" means?
It's DT's nice way of saying "prepare your anus, we're going in dry."
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Lonestar, dude.. every time you make a post, it makes me miss your old avatar. You know, the one of the stick dude humping the air.
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JLB could easily do all of the vocals in the first verse of The Glass Prison. They would sound hurried, given the furious nature of the song, but if he can do the pre-chorus part of The Dark Eternal Night all by himself, he can do the first verse of The Glass Prison. And the shouting vocals later in the song ("Run!") could easily either be omitted or done by JP. Shouting a word or two isn't exactly difficult. :lol
Yeah but later on when it's back and forth between MP and JLB (example when labrie says: BELIEVE) wouldn't be so easy
They're already been incorporating pre-recorded backup vocals on the last tour, so I don't see why they can't use MP's parts, or have JLB pre-record MP's parts, and then sing his own parts live.
#Lawsuit
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JLB could easily do all of the vocals in the first verse of The Glass Prison. They would sound hurried, given the furious nature of the song, but if he can do the pre-chorus part of The Dark Eternal Night all by himself, he can do the first verse of The Glass Prison. And the shouting vocals later in the song ("Run!") could easily either be omitted or done by JP. Shouting a word or two isn't exactly difficult. :lol
Yeah but later on when it's back and forth between MP and JLB (example when labrie says: BELIEVE) wouldn't be so easy
They're already been incorporating pre-recorded backup vocals on the last tour, so I don't see why they can't use MP's parts, or have JLB pre-record MP's parts, and then sing his own parts live.
#Lawsuit
???
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JLB could easily do all of the vocals in the first verse of The Glass Prison. They would sound hurried, given the furious nature of the song, but if he can do the pre-chorus part of The Dark Eternal Night all by himself, he can do the first verse of The Glass Prison. And the shouting vocals later in the song ("Run!") could easily either be omitted or done by JP. Shouting a word or two isn't exactly difficult. :lol
Yeah but later on when it's back and forth between MP and JLB (example when labrie says: BELIEVE) wouldn't be so easy
They're already been incorporating pre-recorded backup vocals on the last tour, so I don't see why they can't use MP's parts, or have JLB pre-record MP's parts, and then sing his own parts live.
#Lawsuit
???
I'm not sure of forum rules of what classes as bashing MP (which i would never do) but it was a joke that MP could use this as an excuse to start a new lawsuit ala: MP/DT split
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Oh :lol :lol
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Listening down to final DT mixes in sequence. Sounds fucking awesome Rich!! https://fb.me/2PAQimCyU
:metal :metal :metal
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Lonestar, dude.. every time you make a post, it makes me miss your old avatar. You know, the one of the stick dude humping the air.
Ahh, you mean ole Thrusty. Yeah, he was a good one, but once I put this one up, Bosk forbid me to ever change it again. Sorry man.
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I need this album now.
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Someone use the CSI filter on that piece of paper.
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Listening down to final DT mixes in sequence. Sounds fucking awesome Rich!! https://fb.me/2PAQimCyU
:metal :metal :metal
:omg: JP swore ! :omg:
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I need this album now.
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From that picture it looks like it is going to be 9 songs on the album.
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Someone use the CSI filter on that piece of paper.
I would literally die laughing if we did that, and on the paper it said something like "go fuck yourselves DTF nerds."
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I see blue waveforms on the screen. Guys, do your job.
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In all seriousness though, do we think the album could be in the can by the start of next week?
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If he claims that it sounds awesome I'm gonna be so disappointed if Myung is buried again. A good mix needs enough bass! *Fingers crossed*
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Send it off to mastering and brickwall that motha!
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I need this album now.
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From that picture it looks like it is going to be 9 songs on the album.
...or 9 tracks on the song
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...or 9 tracks on the song
Of course. They must have used the old school 3 mic technique for Mangini's kit :biggrin:
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...or 9 tracks on the song
Of course. They must have used the old school 3 mic technique for Mangini's kit :biggrin:
All or most of the drums could have been put onto one track by this point, since mixing is almost done. Assuming they actually do that. I'll learn the actual answer in college. :biggrin:
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I wonder if that's why they never play TDoT in full
brainfart... what's TDoT?
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I think it's The Dance Of Eternity.
No.... wait...
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It's The Dance of Eternity. Derp moment there, Jay Man.
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...or 9 tracks on the song
Of course. They must have used the old school 3 mic technique for Mangini's kit :biggrin:
Exactly. One of those tracks can easily be a sub mix with 30 channels on it. keeps the mess down.
All or most of the drums could have been put onto one track by this point, since mixing is almost done. Assuming they actually do that. I'll learn the actual answer in college. :biggrin:
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It's The Dance of Eternity. Derp moment there, Jay Man.
BUT BUT BUT....
ok :(
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:)
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It's The Dance of Eternity. Derp moment there, Jay Man.
BUT BUT BUT....
ok :(
The Dance Of TEternity.
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New single is being released tomorrow. The single for ADToE was released on June 28, 2011. Also it is my birthday tomorrow so they will definitely do it for me.
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New single is being released tomorrow. The single for ADToE was released on June 28, 2011. Also it is my birthday tomorrow so they will definitely do it for me.
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New single is being released tomorrow. The single for ADToE was released on June 28, 2011. Also it is my birthday tomorrow so they will definitely do it for me.
Mastering still needs to be done, ser.
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New single is being released tomorrow. The single for ADToE was released on June 28, 2011. Also it is my birthday tomorrow so they will definitely do it for me.
Sorry, but there will be no single tomorrow. It'll obviously be on Sunday, because it's MY birthday, lol.
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TDoT- The Dance of Tuscany, OBVIOUSLY.
(I messed up. It was supposed to be TDoE.)
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:lol :lol :lol at the last few posts haha
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New single is being released tomorrow. The single for ADToE was released on June 28, 2011. Also it is my birthday tomorrow so they will definitely do it for me.
Sorry, but there will be no single tomorrow. It'll obviously be on Sunday, because it's MY birthday, lol.
It's going to be in a year, on MY birthday. (June 8th.)
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Dream who?
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The single will be released on my birthday, February 30th.
Oh shi-
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New single is being released tomorrow. The single for ADToE was released on June 28, 2011. Also it is my birthday tomorrow so they will definitely do it for me.
Sorry, but there will be no single tomorrow. It'll obviously be on Sunday, because it's MY birthday, lol.
It's going to be in a year, on MY birthday. (June 8th.)
I got this one.... by the time my birthday rolls around, the album will be done, and the US tour will likely be in full swing. Though they won't come anywhere near me. :facepalm:
I should say that the album will be done, but in December, they'll likely still be in Europe. I'm a dork nozzle! :loser:
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The single will be released on my birthday, February 30th.
Oh shi-
:rollin :tup
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The single will be released on my birthday, February 30th.
Oh shi-
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"And so our journey from writing to mixing comes to an end. Can't wait to share the new DT music with everyone!"
:metal :metal :metal :yarr
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from Roadrunner Records FB:
"Listening down to final DT mixes in sequence. Sounds fucking awesome Rich!!" - John Petrucci
I have no idea who Rich is.
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Also the picture petrucci posted was included.
But does anyone find it odd that the label doesnt know who the engineer is on the album of one of their bands? unless they werent serious, i just found it strange
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AW YISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS :2metal:
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from Roadrunner Records FB:
"Listening down to final DT mixes in sequence. Sounds fucking awesome Rich!!" - John Petrucci
I have no idea who Rich is.
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Also the picture petrucci posted was included.
But does anyone find it odd that the label doesnt know who the engineer is on the album of one of their bands? unless they werent serious, i just found it strange
Rich Chycki is the engineer/mixer for DT12.
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"And so our journey from writing to mixing comes to an end. Can't wait to share the new DT music with everyone!"
:metal :metal :metal :yarr
JP looks so happy in that pic :tup
Only the guy on the far right looks possibly happier. He's pretty damn happy.
And I'm jealous of the young guy in the crowd. Whatever his gig is (would venture to guess engineer's assistant, but who knows), must be pretty awesome.
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from Roadrunner Records FB:
"Listening down to final DT mixes in sequence. Sounds fucking awesome Rich!!" - John Petrucci
I have no idea who Rich is.
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Also the picture petrucci posted was included.
But does anyone find it odd that the label doesnt know who the engineer is on the album of one of their bands? unless they werent serious, i just found it strange
Rich Chycki is the engineer/mixer for DT12.
I know who rich is, I'm saying apparently roadrunner doesn't, which seems odd for a label to be out of the loop.
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Someone finally managed to make Frank Solomon look somewhat less creepy. Although in the original picture, he looks kind of like Max Weinberg with longer hair
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Left to right: Frank Solomon, Maddy (JP's guitar tech), Rich Chycki, JP, Random Dude #1, Random Dude #2
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I think that it's pretty cool that Maddy is there for the mixing.
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TDoT- The Dance of Tuscany, OBVIOUSLY.
Tuscan Style!
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I think that it's pretty cool that Maddy is there for the mixing.
Agreed, but it does make sense to have him there if JP is there.
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I really hope they don't ruin the album on the mastering front, hopefully we'll get a decent dynamic range, and a great sounding album overall. I'm very excited to hear a single whenever it comes out.
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...if Nef's avatar is him...
Yep, that's me... :blush
I really hope they don't ruin the album on the mastering front, hopefully we'll get a decent dynamic range, and a great sounding album overall.
That's what I am afraid of too, since so many great artists and great engineers seem to be blissfully ignorant and "make it fuckin' loud" the way the label wants it. Just see what happened to the new Queensrÿche. I wouldn't have expected them and Jimbo (!) to deliver a master that's so over the top there are distortions everywhere. DT is a band with such a huge dynamic range - sometimes within one song and certainly across an album. So the album should reflect that, especially considering there's an orchestra involved this time around. Please let the music breathe and don't brick it to death.
Greetings...
Nef
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I think JP has a pretty good ear for things. JP seems to think it's good, so I'm sure the albums sound quality will in fact be superb. I'm not worried about it in the slightest. If anything, I'm more pumped.
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I think JP has a pretty good ear for things. JP seems to think it's good, so I'm sure the albums sound quality will in fact be superb. I'm not worried about it in the slightest. If anything, I'm more pumped.
Well if we take ADTOE as an example, i hope the other members have a say as well (especially Mike) since i wasn't too fond of ADTOE's mix.
I really hope we get some clean and powerful cymbal sound this time, there is so much great stuff in ADTOE that goes unnoticed because of the weak cymbal mix.
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Well if we take ADTOE as an example, i hope the other members have a say as well (especially Mike) since i wasn't too fond of ADTOE's mix.
I really hope we get some clean and powerful cymbal sound this time, there is so much great stuff in ADTOE that goes unnoticed because of the weak cymbal mix.
Well, didn't both Mike and JR say that it sounds great? Or at least JR did. So we do have someone to back it up.
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Well, didn't both Mike and JR say that it sounds great? Or at least JR did. So we do have someone to back it up.
Τhey wouldn't say that it sounds like shit, that's for sure. It's mostly PR talk i think, not that i want to discredit their words, but i'll wait to hear it for myself before getting excited.
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Well, didn't both Mike and JR say that it sounds great? Or at least JR did. So we do have someone to back it up.
Τhey wouldn't say that it sounds like shit, that's for sure. It's mostly PR talk i think, not that i want to discredit their words, but i'll wait to hear it for myself before getting excited.
This.
I completely disregard all comments like this from bands. It's just generic studio update speak.
I don't get excited when any band says their album is their best, and sounds amazing, because every band says these things for every single album they release. That doesn't mean they're wrong, it just means I'll wait and judge it for myself rather than take their word for it. I'm hoping it sounds great though.
And also, ADTOE.
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I would love to read a JR interview where he is brutally honest.
HOW DOES THE NEW ALBUM SOUND?
JR: Meh, I think it sounds like complete shit to be completely honest with you. Yeah, I mean, I feel like we could have done better with it, but by the time I realized that is was sounding like dog-shit, the album was already done, so I figured, fuck it, we'll do better in 2015. So yeah, I guess the new album sounds like shit. The mixing won't help and they'll probably master it too loud and piss off GlassDream over on MP's forum and the psychos at DTF
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Well, didn't both Mike and JR say that it sounds great? Or at least JR did. So we do have someone to back it up.
Τhey wouldn't say that it sounds like shit, that's for sure. It's mostly PR talk i think, not that i want to discredit their words, but i'll wait to hear it for myself before getting excited.
So, if JP did in fact think the album sounded bad for any reason, he wouldn't speak up about it? Remember, this is a band that prides themselves in having genuine artistic freedom to create something that's completely designed from beginning to completion by the band. If it's simply PR talk, then that could suggest JP doesn't really care much about the sound quality of the album. Doesn't add up based on what I know of JP and the other guys.
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Well, didn't both Mike and JR say that it sounds great? Or at least JR did. So we do have someone to back it up.
Τhey wouldn't say that it sounds like shit, that's for sure. It's mostly PR talk i think, not that i want to discredit their words, but i'll wait to hear it for myself before getting excited.
So, if JP did in fact think the album sounded bad for any reason, he wouldn't speak up about it? Remember, this is a band that prides themselves in having genuine artistic freedom to create something that's completely designed from beginning to completion by the band. If it's simply PR talk, then that could suggest JP doesn't really care much about the sound quality of the album. Doesn't add up based on what I know of JP and the other guys.
And have DT not said the same comments about all of their recent albums? And what has the fan opinion of a lot of those been in that regard?
I'm not saying the band is lying, I'd be worried if they didn't believe their new album sounded great, it's just that any band is probably too close to an album to judge it as harshly as the fanbase, and they're not sound engineers, they're musicians. I doubt any of them are going to say "Hey, that's mastered a bit loud, can we keep it to at least 12dB range?" or anything like that.
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Left to right: Frank Solomon, Maddy (JP's guitar tech), Rich Chycki, JP, Random Dude #1, Random Dude #2
Dude! it´s the new DT! ´We figured what the heck, I´m the most important guy in the band, so I just fired the rest´!
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Well, didn't both Mike and JR say that it sounds great? Or at least JR did. So we do have someone to back it up.
Τhey wouldn't say that it sounds like shit, that's for sure. It's mostly PR talk i think, not that i want to discredit their words, but i'll wait to hear it for myself before getting excited.
So, if JP did in fact think the album sounded bad for any reason, he wouldn't speak up about it? Remember, this is a band that prides themselves in having genuine artistic freedom to create something that's completely designed from beginning to completion by the band. If it's simply PR talk, then that could suggest JP doesn't really care much about the sound quality of the album. Doesn't add up based on what I know of JP and the other guys.
Ι think you might have misunderstood me. I didn't say that the guys at DT don't care about the sound quality, nor that they are not genuine i what they say.
I'm sure JP thought that ADTOE sounded good since he was in charge as a producer, it's just that his opinion is kind of irrelevant to me because i thought that ADTOE could have sounded much much better.
Sound quality is not always something that is perceived in the same way by everyone. Many people (and many of my friends) can't tell the difference between a crappy mastering with clipping and distortion and a clean dynamic sound. So given the history of the band especially with recent albums (ADTOE, SC) i'm not sure that statements like "it sounds great" from members of the band are of much importance to me.
Sorry if i sound like a douche or something, i'm not bashing DT or any members and i'm sure that they try to make the best album musically and from a sound quality perspective, it's just that i really want to get a great sounding album to elevate the musical elements and ideas, as well as the amazing musicianship.
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JP interview to RR 2/8/2012 speaking of ADTOE:
"... We wanted this album to be sonically interesting. I knew from the beginning, I had a dream of having Andy Wallace mix it, and that dream came true. We wanted it to be a real hi-fi, epic, cinematic experience. So when we went in to write, we had it in mind that we were going to take our time with chord progressions and melodic elements and vocal range and the general sound of the instruments and things like that. It was definitely a concerted and focused effort to keep the compositional qualities as high as we possibly could."
However, the outcome was ... :|
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I guess I just don't know what happened with ADTOE. The more I listen to it, the more disappointed I am with it. The drums sound like they were mic'd up in studio and they put the drums all the way in Boston and then recorded. They sound so far away, another guy here put it much better overall. They put a microphone at the mouth of the cave and put the band in the back of the cave.
When Mangini does double kicks, I should feel like I'm getting punched in the gut, instead it felt like someone threw a twig at me.
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JP interview to RR 2/8/2012 speaking of ADTOE:
"... We wanted this album to be sonically interesting. I knew from the beginning, I had a dream of having Andy Wallace mix it, and that dream came true. We wanted it to be a real hi-fi, epic, cinematic experience. So when we went in to write, we had it in mind that we were going to take our time with chord progressions and melodic elements and vocal range and the general sound of the instruments and things like that. It was definitely a concerted and focused effort to keep the compositional qualities as high as we possibly could."
However, the outcome was ... :|
Question for experts: is it possible that the mix was good and they screwed it up with a wrong mastering? Just asking.
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A Dramatic Turn of Events sounds good except for the drums. Which I don't really blame on the mixing or mastering for. I mean, not that it's bad at all, the drums on ADToE are fine, it's just that from what I've heard so far I prefer Portnoy's more dynamic style of playing to Mangini's style.
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Well, didn't both Mike and JR say that it sounds great? Or at least JR did. So we do have someone to back it up.
Τhey wouldn't say that it sounds like shit, that's for sure. It's mostly PR talk i think, not that i want to discredit their words, but i'll wait to hear it for myself before getting excited.
So, if JP did in fact think the album sounded bad for any reason, he wouldn't speak up about it? Remember, this is a band that prides themselves in having genuine artistic freedom to create something that's completely designed from beginning to completion by the band. If it's simply PR talk, then that could suggest JP doesn't really care much about the sound quality of the album. Doesn't add up based on what I know of JP and the other guys.
Ι think you might have misunderstood me. I didn't say that the guys at DT don't care about the sound quality, nor that they are not genuine i what they say.
I'm sure JP thought that ADTOE sounded good since he was in charge as a producer, it's just that his opinion is kind of irrelevant to me because i thought that ADTOE could have sounded much much better.
Sound quality is not always something that is perceived in the same way by everyone. Many people (and many of my friends) can't tell the difference between a crappy mastering with clipping and distortion and a clean dynamic sound. So given the history of the band especially with recent albums (ADTOE, SC) i'm not sure that statements like "it sounds great" from members of the band are of much importance to me.
Sorry if i sound like a douche or something, i'm not bashing DT or any members and i'm sure that they try to make the best album musically and from a sound quality perspective, it's just that i really want to get a great sounding album to elevate the musical elements and ideas, as well as the amazing musicianship.
You didn't come off sounding like a douche at all lol. Just two guys having a discussion as far as I can see. I also see where you're coming from and I can understand. Perhaps I have an odd sense of what sounds good and what doesn't to me. What's more, oddly enough, I thought ADTOE sounded great through a good audio system.
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I guess I just don't know what happened with ADTOE. The more I listen to it, the more disappointed I am with it. The drums sound like they were mic'd up in studio and they put the drums all the way in Boston and then recorded. They sound so far away, another guy here put it much better overall. They put a microphone at the mouth of the cave and put the band in the back of the cave.
When Mangini does double kicks, I should feel like I'm getting punched in the gut, instead it felt like someone threw a twig at me.
I have the same feeling, and what makes me sad is that we are talking about a great album with awesome drumming, but with no chocolate taste at all :P
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A Dramatic Turn of Events sounds good except for the drums. Which I don't really blame on the mixing or mastering for. I mean, not that it's bad at all, the drums on ADToE are fine, it's just that from what I've heard so far I prefer Portnoy's more dynamic style of playing to Mangini's style.
Basically, this. I honestly don't know what people are complaining about with the ADTOE sound, I think it's one of their slickest sounding albums.
I also don't really remember much complaining about it when the album came out.
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JP interview to RR 2/8/2012 speaking of ADTOE:
"... We wanted this album to be sonically interesting. I knew from the beginning, I had a dream of having Andy Wallace mix it, and that dream came true. We wanted it to be a real hi-fi, epic, cinematic experience. So when we went in to write, we had it in mind that we were going to take our time with chord progressions and melodic elements and vocal range and the general sound of the instruments and things like that. It was definitely a concerted and focused effort to keep the compositional qualities as high as we possibly could."
However, the outcome was ... :|
Question for experts: is it possible that the mix was good and they screwed it up with a wrong mastering? Just asking.
It's definitely a mixing issue. I think the album was mastered fairly transparently in a way that didn't affect the sound of the album much (aside from the compression, which I was happy with).
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A Dramatic Turn of Events sounds good except for the drums. Which I don't really blame on the mixing or mastering for. I mean, not that it's bad at all, the drums on ADToE are fine, it's just that from what I've heard so far I prefer Portnoy's more dynamic style of playing to Mangini's style.
Basically, this. I honestly don't know what people are complaining about with the ADTOE sound, I think it's one of their slickest sounding albums.
I also don't really remember much complaining about it when the album came out.
I find it odd that so many people have said that over time they've been more and more disappointed with ADTOE. For me it's the exact opposite. When I first heard it I was appreciative, but a little let down by how tinny the drums sounded, how simple. I was used to MP being right in my face, the drums being on top of the mix. I was used to really intricate symbol patterns and bass drum patterns that laid a foundation for a song, they didn't do what everyone else was doing. Overall first listen... meh
Then as I listened to it over time I began to hear the intricacies of Mangini's playing. How each hand was doing something completely independent of the other, and each foot had a really intricate pattern that sometimes was totally contradictory to what the hands were doing. It was amazing. And though I still thought the drums were farther in the mix than they should be, I could still hear them just fine. I think my prejudice was simply because for so many years MP was so far in front of the mix that I'd grown used to having everything else a little farther back.
And honestly, I think everybody shines on ADTOE. And each maestro has his place comfortably carved out for him. The keyboards sound brilliant, the guitars have a great clean, dreamy sound and a brutal crunch without being overpowering. The bass is loud enough to be heard, but just enough so to lay down a bed for JP and JR. The vocals are clear (almost too clear, actually--I think JLB took it kinda easy on this one)
Its not a perfect record, by any means, but for a band gaining a new, untested member it was really a great outing all the way around.
At least I thought so....after a few listens.
Now I can't fucking wait to hear what happens when they let the genie out of the bottle and let bears have their cake and eat it too. :metal
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Funny how JP's chocolate cake description seems only to apply to the studio sound, if i were to compare his live sound setup it would be like this:
Since i obviously can not use multiple layers then i take the chocolate cover, place a f**cking brick inside (crank up the gain) and throw this at the audience, bam!
I would love to hear the brutal sound he had on the last tour in DT12, even his lead sound was far from delicate if you compare it to ADToE studio.
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symbol patterns
:lol :P
Sorry. I just found that funny.
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ADTOE mix: In fairness, when I listen to the album on my stereo in my man cave, it sounds amazing. I have about $6000.00 in Musical Fidelity components and Klipsch speakers and it is mixed amazingly well for that rig. Bass, drums and cymbals are all distinct and at a proper sound level and you get to hear all the nuances JP intended (when at a moderate volume). The problem is that not many people listen to music thru high end sound systems anymore. In my car or with earbuds and certainly thru laptop/desktop type speakers, the mix falls apart.
I am sure the album is mixed on high end equipment but that just not translate to the technology used by most people these days. I dont know if there is a middle ground where the sound is optimum thru the full range of delivery systems, but if you get the chance, listen to ADTOE on a good 2 or 2.1 system, you will find a lot of music on ADTOE you may not have heard before.
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ADTOE mix: In fairness, when I listen to the album on my stereo in my man cave, it sounds amazing. I have about $6000.00 in Musical Fidelity components and Klipsch speakers and it is mixed amazingly well for that rig. Bass, drums and cymbals are all distinct and at a proper sound level and you get to hear all the nuances JP intended (when at a moderate volume). The problem is that not many people listen to music thru high end sound systems anymore. In my car or with earbuds and certainly thru laptop/desktop type speakers, the mix falls apart.
I am sure the album is mixed on high end equipment but that just not translate to the technology used by most people these days. I dont know if there is a middle ground where the sound is optimum thru the full range of delivery systems, but if you get the chance, listen to ADTOE on a good 2 or 2.1 system, you will find a lot of music on ADTOE you may not have heard before.
Come on .... for 6,000$ I will bring the band to play in my backyard and surely be satisfied with the sound :rollin
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I only ever listen to ADTOE in lossless on my studio monitor headphones through my audiophile soundcard, and it's a mess of a mix.
The drums are raw and dry, with no noticeable EQ'ing so they fit nicely into the mix, or to cut through at the right frequencies. Everything else shows the same problems, and for most of the album the bass and guitar way oversaturate the lower/mid frequencies to the point of sounding muddy and unpleasant, while the tinny drums don't cut through at all, in either the lower frequencies for the bass/snare, or the high frequencies for the cymbals and hats, making the album sound lifeless and flat.
There are several little clicks and pops and noises over the album that show a lack of careful editing, and the low pass filter on the vocals in TITL is overdone to the point of it sounding like JLB gave his vocals over the telephone. Higher end equipment just highlights the faults and roughness of the mixing.
I think a poorer setup would actually be forgiving to this album.
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ADTOE mix: In fairness, when I listen to the album on my stereo in my man cave, it sounds amazing. I have about $6000.00 in Musical Fidelity components and Klipsch speakers and it is mixed amazingly well for that rig. Bass, drums and cymbals are all distinct and at a proper sound level and you get to hear all the nuances JP intended (when at a moderate volume). The problem is that not many people listen to music thru high end sound systems anymore. In my car or with earbuds and certainly thru laptop/desktop type speakers, the mix falls apart.
I am sure the album is mixed on high end equipment but that just not translate to the technology used by most people these days. I dont know if there is a middle ground where the sound is optimum thru the full range of delivery systems, but if you get the chance, listen to ADTOE on a good 2 or 2.1 system, you will find a lot of music on ADTOE you may not have heard before.
Oh, well that explains why I'm not a big fan of the mix on ADTOE then. I only have $5,990 worth of "musical fidelity components". ::)
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:facepalm:
I knew I shouldn't have gotten rid of my Klipsch sound system for my computer!! Damn Bose system does nothing for ADToE! :'(
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I would love to read a JR interview where he is brutally honest.
HOW DOES THE NEW ALBUM SOUND?
JR: Meh, I think it sounds like complete shit to be completely honest with you. Yeah, I mean, I feel like we could have done better with it, but by the time I realized that is was sounding like dog-shit, the album was already done, so I figured, fuck it, we'll do better in 2015. So yeah, I guess the new album sounds like shit.
Heh...Noel Gallagher has said things close to that about Oasis albums.
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I have nothing to live for anymore.... :clap:
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I would love to read a JR interview where he is brutally honest.
HOW DOES THE NEW ALBUM SOUND?
JR: Meh, I think it sounds like complete shit to be completely honest with you. Yeah, I mean, I feel like we could have done better with it, but by the time I realized that is was sounding like dog-shit, the album was already done, so I figured, fuck it, we'll do better in 2015. So yeah, I guess the new album sounds like shit.
Heh...Noel Gallagher has said things close to that about Oasis albums.
Yeah he described Be Here Now as Nothing new.. Just Pub Rock Bollocks
And he said Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants had two shit songs on it :lol
This was on release day as well...
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BHN is my favorite album from them, so much better than Morning Glory. I agree with him about SOTSOG though. That's when Liam's voice started going south.
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I would love to hear the brutal sound he had on the last tour in DT12, even his lead sound was far from delicate if you compare it to ADToE studio.
If you're near the wall in a venue with subpar acoustics (IE the Paramount in Huntington, NY), his guitar sound is pretty much all you can hear.
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I only ever listen to ADTOE in lossless on my studio monitor headphones through my audiophile soundcard, and it's a mess of a mix.
The drums are raw and dry, with no noticeable EQ'ing so they fit nicely into the mix, or to cut through at the right frequencies. Everything else shows the same problems, and for most of the album the bass and guitar way oversaturate the lower/mid frequencies to the point of sounding muddy and unpleasant, while the tinny drums don't cut through at all, in either the lower frequencies for the bass/snare, or the high frequencies for the cymbals and hats, making the album sound lifeless and flat.
There are several little clicks and pops and noises over the album that show a lack of careful editing, and the low pass filter on the vocals in TITL is overdone to the point of it sounding like JLB gave his vocals over the telephone. Higher end equipment just highlights the faults and roughness of the mixing.
I think a poorer setup would actually be forgiving to this album.
I honestly don't hear any of that, and for that I'm really glad. Sounds fine on my £20 boom box, in the car and through my mp3 player. Mind you I grew up in an era where pristine sound wasn't that important. Sure I have some albums that sound awful to the point of being ruined and many that could be better, but I'm just not that fussy and have never had the audiophile equipment to appreciate the difference. Mind you, my ears are getting old now so it might just be that :biggrin:
edit- just a quick thought- did people take more time with the mix and mastering in the past? These things seem to be done alot quicker these days (to keep costs down I suppose)
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I would love to hear the brutal sound he had on the last tour in DT12, even his lead sound was far from delicate if you compare it to ADToE studio.
If you're near the wall in a venue with subpar acoustics (IE the Paramount in Huntington, NY), his guitar sound is pretty much all you can hear.
Approaching the paramount, with guitar in our eyes.
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Left to right: Frank Solomon, Maddy (JP's guitar tech), Rich Chycki, JP, Random Dude #1, Random Dude #2
Am I the only one that (until now, having just researched) thought Maddy and Neal Morse's tour drummer were the same person?
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No, I was completely convinced too! I only realized they are distinct people when DT and NM toured at the same time :lol
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I think that it's pretty cool that Maddy is there for the mixing.
Agreed, but it does make sense to have him there if JP is there.
Every time I have met JP, Maddy was somewhere close by. I think he is actually surgically attached to John by a 30 ft. invisible cable.
Am I the only one that (until now, having just researched) thought Maddy and Neal Morse's tour drummer were the same person?
:rollin I guess they do look kinda similar.
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I think that it's pretty cool that Maddy is there for the mixing.
Agreed, but it does make sense to have him there if JP is there.
Every time I have met JP, Maddy was somewhere close by. I think he is actually surgically attached to John by a 30 ft. invisible cable.
Reminds me of Frank Zappa's bodyguard, always nearby.
(https://www.united-mutations.com/s/john_smothers.jpg)
Wouldn't be surprised if Maddy was also JP's bodyguard, being he's a big guy. Not that he probably needs one.
Am I the only one that (until now, having just researched) thought Maddy and Neal Morse's tour drummer were the same person?
:rollin I guess they do look kinda similar.
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Yea, they do. :lol
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Of course, it seems Collin (Neal's tour drummer), sports a goatee now, so I guess we can more easily tell them apart.
During the Transatlantic tour documentary on The Whirld Tour DVD, Collin was there, and I remember thinking, "oh, JP's guitar tech is out on tour with TA. Cool!"
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Holy Daim, they are absolutely identical. It's insane :omg:
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Big, tan bald guys are very representative of this page.
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Heh. Yeah, the only time I ever met him in person was on that same tour. The way that played out was hilarious.
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Heh. Yeah, the only time I ever met him in person was on that same tour. The way that played out was hilarious.
Was that the story about using the bathroom backstage?
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Well, didn't both Mike and JR say that it sounds great? Or at least JR did. So we do have someone to back it up.
Τhey wouldn't say that it sounds like shit, that's for sure. It's mostly PR talk i think, not that i want to discredit their words, but i'll wait to hear it for myself before getting excited.
This.
I completely disregard all comments like this from bands. It's just generic studio update speak.
I don't get excited when any band says their album is their best, and sounds amazing, because every band says these things for every single album they release. That doesn't mean they're wrong, it just means I'll wait and judge it for myself rather than take their word for it. I'm hoping it sounds great though.
And also, ADTOE.
It's funny, cause Mark Tremonti from Alter Bridge still says their second album (Blackbird) was their best album, and they just recorded their fourth! He's the only dude I know who's brutally honest about that. :lol
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Heh. Yeah, the only time I ever met him in person was on that same tour. The way that played out was hilarious.
Was that the story about using the bathroom backstage?
:lol Yeah. I think the best part was him being shocked at my brutal honesty when he discovered us:
Collin: So, um...how did you guys get back here?
Me: Oh! *points* You guys left the "band entrance" door unlocked, so we snuck right in. Hope that's okay. But the way, you're kinda blocking my view of the guys soundchecking. Mind sliding to your right just a bit? Thanks.
Collin: :lolpalm:
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What a bronze face :lolpalm:
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Every time I have met JP, Maddy was somewhere close by. I think he is actually surgically attached to John by a 30 ft. invisible cable.
How does one attach an invisible chain?
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Every time I have met JP, Maddy was somewhere close by. I think he is actually surgically attached to John by a 30 ft. invisible cable.
How does one attach an invisible chain?
With an invisible lock. Really, you had to ask that? I would have thought it would have been obvious. I think you're pulling my invisible leg.
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With an invisible lock. Really, you had to ask that? I would have thought it would have been obvious. I think you're pulling my invisible leg.
:metal
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Every time I have met JP, Maddy was somewhere close by. I think he is actually surgically attached to John by a 30 ft. invisible cable.
Actually, they've been using a wireless system since the Chaos In Motion tour. It gives them 50 extra feet.
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Every time I have met JP, Maddy was somewhere close by. I think he is actually surgically attached to John by a 30 ft. invisible cable.
Actually, they've been using a wireless system since the Chaos In Motion tour. It gives them 50 extra feet.
That's good, because if the invisible cable got tangled, it would be a chaos in motion.
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That's good, because if the invisible cable got tangled, it would be a chaos in motion.
Nah. It could cause a fatal tragedy.
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And it would be A Nightmare To Remember.
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And a silent man. Am I doing it right?
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And a silent man. Am I doing it right?
You're doing it left. And lefties suck. GTFO.
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And a silent man. Am I doing it right?
You're doing it left. And lefties suck. GTFO.
Depends on what left you're talking about
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Exit Stage Left!
Am I right?
Guys?
Guys?
...Guys?
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The Chaos In Motion
would cause a
Fatal Tragedy
Which would lead to...
A Nightmare to Remember. :omg: :yarr
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The Chaos In Motion
would cause a
Fatal Tragedy
Which would lead to...
A Nightmare to Remember. :omg: :yarr
There lies the Silent Man
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ROOOOOOOOOROROROROROROROR
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I have been Misunderstood.
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The last page of this thread has been so bad, I've been permanently Scarred.
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I have been Misunderstood.
From a theif to God save Wey.
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as long as everyone survives, it will be alrOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
is the horse dead yet?
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I think it's.... caught in a dead
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Spamburgers? I should taste those sometime.
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I'm adding substantial content to this discussion:
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I said to my posting engineer that I wanted my posts to read like a rich tasty block of spam.
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I don't wanna be that guy but page 171...maybe it's time to unlock this little guy:
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and start a fresh new chapter. Archive this fucker though.
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I don't wanna be that guy but page 171...maybe it's time to unlock this little guy:
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and start a fresh new chapter. Archive this fucker though.
please no :(
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I don't wanna be that guy but page 171...maybe it's time to unlock this little guy and start a fresh new chapter.
Why?
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Calm down, just a suggestion! :lol
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I never get why people want to lock threads and start new ones. OMG!! We are up to 200 pages!@! You must lock it! Wait, I can still click on the last page?! :lol
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I never get why people want to lock threads and start new ones. OMG!! We are up to 200 pages!@! You must lock it! Wait, I can still click on the last page?! :lol
Maybe every time they visit they are re-reading every page/post ;)
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And you have to do that with the new thread as well! :rollin
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I never get why people want to lock threads and start new ones. OMG!! We are up to 200 pages!@! You must lock it! Wait, I can still click on the last page?! :lol
Maybe every time they visit they are re-reading every page/post ;)
And by the time they finish reading all the pages, there would probably be another 100 pages to read :P
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We have egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam; spam spam spam egg and spam; spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam; or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam.
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what the heck happened to this thread? this thread is hopeless when over 2 hours of time have elapsed without any news from the DT gang...
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For real. Don't worry, it'll get back on topic after the next announcement.
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It only gets worse as September 24th approaches.
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For better or worse, alive or dead
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It only gets worse as September 24th approaches.
:lol Yea, this ain't nothin yet!
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Seriously, I was assuming an announcement of some sort about the new album on Friday when the tickets went on general sale. After all, this upcoming tour is promoting DT12. Not knocking them though, in fact I guess its a testament to both the band and the fanbase that DT can put on these shows and the tickets are selling pretty well
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And we sit here, waiting, light to dark dark to light
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ANUONCEMENT PLZ DRAEM THEARTE
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lol with the exception of dozens of bans for posting/hinting at leaked material, i don't recall the adtoe thread being this bad (at least for like the last 2 pages; the rest has been pretty standard fare for DT hype). Although DT threads going insaner than they usually are could be indicative of overdue DT news :D I'm putting $100 on a new single on monday (monopoly currency).
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lol with the exception of dozens of bans for posting/hinting at leaked material, i don't recall the adtoe thread being this bad (at least for like the last 2 pages; the rest has been pretty standard fare for DT hype). Although DT threads going insaner than they usually are could be indicative of overdue DT news :DI'm putting $100 on a new single on monday (monopoly currency).
That's a... bold bet.
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I'm putting $100 on a new single on monday
No. Way.
Fuck everything if it happens, I'm not at home all week and most likely won't have internet.
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I'm putting $100 on a new single on monday
No. Way.
Yeah way too soon for a single now i think about it, although I wouldn't be surprised! I'm altering my bet to be an album cover and track-list instead of a single.
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I feel a single will be released at the end of the month or mid august. I wouldn't mind in mid july though.
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I feel I need to remind you all of Rule 10.
10. Posts whose only goal is to increase post count will not be tolerated. Spamming and off-topic posts are examples. Keep threads on topic. Such posts do nothing but waste data transfer and storage and will be deleted. If you want to contest the deletion of a post, PM a mod or admin.
Little tangents and a bit of off-topic banter is fine, but the last couple of pages have been just genuine spam. Cut it out, or we will need to lock this thread and start a new one when there is more news.
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I'm pretty sure we'll have a tracklist before they release a song. Don't you think?
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I'm pretty sure we'll have a tracklist before they release a song. Don't you think?
Yep that's how it went down for adtoe. I distinctly remember seeing "on the backs of angels" and being like "DUDE THIS IS GONNA BE SO BADASS" and then eventually realized it was one of the singles (and not an epic prog opener). And despite being an obligatory DT single, it turned out to be one of my favorite songs on the album.
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I expect the tracklist...soon.
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I'm pretty sure we'll have a tracklist before they release a song. Don't you think?
I'm hoping for a track list....soon. The mixing is done, and I believe that's when the order of songs--the track list--is determined. New song won't be out until mastering has been mostly completed, or the album is ready for release.
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I feel I need to remind you all of Rule 10.
10. Posts whose only goal is to increase post count will not be tolerated. Spamming and off-topic posts are examples. Keep threads on topic. Such posts do nothing but waste data transfer and storage and will be deleted. If you want to contest the deletion of a post, PM a mod or admin.
Little tangents and a bit of off-topic banter is fine, but the last couple of pages have been just genuine spam. Cut it out, or we will need to lock this thread and start a new one when there is more news.
This! That's the reason why I made a suggestion of lock because the amount of off-topic posts. But it was only a suggestion.
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I expect the tracklist...soon.
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This picture is still frightening me :lol
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This thread is growing more and more useless by the day. :lol I vote it gets locked for the simple fact DT is no longer in the studio.
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Locked or actually deleted, I don't care
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Well, considering this thread is called "DT in the studio again!" and they're not in the studio anymore...
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Locked or actually deleted, I don't care
Deleted? No man this go straight into archive without any fuzz or else.....
:police:
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Yeah, I think this is archive-worthy.
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For the record, I'd just like to say that this whole thread has been terrific from start to finish, which was a few pages ago :lol
Now we wait for a track list, cover, single, and eventually the album. The next 3 months are going to be exciting :D
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I'm wondering if people could help me clear something up since my memory on the subject is a bit fuzzy at the moment...when were the snippets of tracks from ADTOE released in relation to the release of OTBOA and the album drop date? I can't remembee for the life of me where they fit inon the timeline. I for one wouldn't be bothered if they did something similar this time and would definitely give them a listen since I don't feel like hearing those snippets detracted from the impact of hearing thealbum through for the first time :tup
Also...I third the motion to archive if this gets locked simply for Lonestar's Evening with quote if for nothing else :lol
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Hmm, a brief perusal of Wikipedia suggests that the snippets were released after the single, leading up to the release of the album.
I don't have any official dates on that, though.
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Locked or actually deleted, I don't care
The huge amount of awesomeness in this thread doesn't deserve to be deleted.
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I'm wondering if people could help me clear something up since my memory on the subject is a bit fuzzy at the moment...when were the snippets of tracks from ADTOE released in relation to the release of OTBOA and the album drop date? I can't remembee for the life of me where they fit inon the timeline. I for one wouldn't be bothered if they did something similar this time and would definitely give them a listen since I don't feel like hearing those snippets detracted from the impact of hearing thealbum through for the first time :tup
Also...I third the motion to archive if this gets locked simply for Lonestar's Evening with quote if for nothing else :lol
I think it started being released on early August, late-July. That would be almost a month after the single, OTBoA.
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I suggest we start a new thread about the album once we have a tracklist and an artwork. Hopefully we'll ge them silmutaneously like with BC&SL.
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I suggested we rolled back to the original thread about 70 pages ago: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34945.0
There were some real gems in here too :lol
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My head hurts trying to sound out the name of that thread, though.
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We'd change it :angel:
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I dunno if this image has been already posted, anyway I think it's not bad though it's most probably a fake.
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https://www.noctworld.it/forum/musica/6568-dream-theater-new-album-artwork-2013-a.html
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I dunno if this image has been already posted, anyway I think it's not bad though it's most probably a fake.
(https://i.imgur.com/4cR5TPV.png)
https://www.noctworld.it/forum/musica/6568-dream-theater-new-album-artwork-2013-a.html
Personally I think it looks horrific
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I can already spot the use of clipart, mediocre photoshop skills, and can see a few anomolies and lack of attention to detail regarding the way it was all put together.
So, it could be real. :neverusethis:
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Personally I think it looks horrific
I like it. I mean, the layout itself. The colors used and the composition looks very cool. The fact that the curtain is so blatantly mirrored, yes, that does look horrific.
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It's not even using the right font. Of course it's fake. :facepalm:
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I suggested we rolled back to the original thread about 70 pages ago: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34945.0
There were some real gems in here too :lol
Yeah, that would be a good idea. As said, DT are no longer in the studio, and this thread is so huge that it's a pain in the ass to find some awesome stuff (like the lyric paper thing) from dozens of pages ago.
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It's not even using the right font. Of course it's fake. :facepalm:
ahahahaha true XD
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so has the time come for the "Dream Theater: Dream Theater" thread? perhaps at the release of the cover/track listing?
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I think it would be pretty redundant to start a new thread. Either roll back to the previous one which had album speculations or stay with this one.
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Well, starting a new thread would allow bosk to delete this one sometime in the future saving the speculations based on actual information that will happen in the next few months on a new version of the thread :D
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Yea and also if we actually get sued by the RR guy we have a backup plan, unless some insist taking the fall though. :lol
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I dunno if this image has been already posted, anyway I think it's not bad though it's most probably a fake.
(https://i.imgur.com/4cR5TPV.png)
https://www.noctworld.it/forum/musica/6568-dream-theater-new-album-artwork-2013-a.html
Hugh Syme?
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The font isn't wrong, so this could potentially be real
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(https://i.imgur.com/4cR5TPV.png)
That's an ugly mix of colors, along with the curtain being mirrored.
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The font isn't wrong, so this could potentially be real
Define wrong font, looks exactly the same to me...
(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_difffonts.jpg) (https://s84.photobucket.com/user/Zook85/media/DT_difffonts.jpg.html)
The top font is the real one.
The middle one is a cheap knock off. The easiest way to tell is by looking and the M's tail.
The bottom one is what they use for promoting most of the time, and it's all kinds of wrong. The easiest way to tell is the second A and R. Basically, if you were to download a Dream Theater font, and then type it in while only capitalizing the D and first T, you'd get the bottom font. To correct this for the knockoff font, just capitalize the second A and R. But why do that when you can just get the real one from BlobVanDam to which you only have to hit D twice and the whole correct logo shows up.
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Of course it's fake, how is that even being questioned? I don't even see a curtain and the symbol, all I see is poor design and the words "cheap" and "amateur" written all over it.
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How on earth could anyone even think it's a possible cover? It looks horrendous! :lol
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I like it
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I don't even see a curtain and the symbol
So then how did you know what to describe? :rollin
:hat
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How on earth could anyone even think it's a possible cover? It looks horrendous! :lol
Also, I bet a band somewhere has made an album cover like this. It's just too simple of an idea for a band like DT (Especially if Hugh Syme is making the cover).
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I wouldn't really be bothered if it turned out to be real. It's nothing special, though.
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I dunno if this image has been already posted, anyway I think it's not bad though it's most probably a fake.
(https://i.imgur.com/4cR5TPV.png)
https://www.noctworld.it/forum/musica/6568-dream-theater-new-album-artwork-2013-a.html
Hugh Syme?
That's not the cover art. For one, it's not official; for another, there is no track list, so both are speculations.
Personally, I think the cover will just be the purple Majesty logo. Why do I think that? because this:https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial?fref=ts
Though that is also just a guess.
I'm sure we'll find out...soon
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Just this:
How on earth could anyone even think it's a possible cover? It looks horrendous! :lol
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Yeah, pretty much this. ^
It looks amateurish, and not even my favourite kind of amateurish. Come on, fakers, you did a better job last time, bring it on! :D
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(https://i.imgur.com/ADjF6JU.jpg)
2 or 3 pages late, come at me
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(https://i.imgur.com/ADjF6JU.jpg)
2 or 3 pages late, come at me
INVENTORY!
And yeah, the cover is clearly fake. Or if it IS real, then I don't know what to say :mehlin
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Sadly, I wouldn't even be too surprised. And I'd probably just replace it with a worthy photoshop from a DTF member again.
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The cover does look horrible, and one of the biggest reasons for that are the colours. However, honestly I'd be positively surprised to see something in the similar style as the real cover. Something unexpected and simple, a bit like the album title.
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I felt mildly creative:
(https://i.imgur.com/9he0UV3.jpg)
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I would accept that as the album cover, but it doesn't quite fit DT. There's not a whole lot of things that could produce thoughts. It's just the logo with band members, although I could see that as part of the booklet.
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Yeah it's more of a promotional thing, I guess.
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Guys, remember when the cover art for ADTOE was revealed, and most thought it was fake, and it took weeks for many fans to accept that it, indeed, was the REAL cover art?
Well, I hope we're not repeating history here. :sad:
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Guys, remember when the cover art for ADTOE was revealed, and most thought it was fake, and it took weeks for many fans to accept that it, indeed, was the REAL cover art?
Well, I hope we're not repeating history here. :sad:
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also I wanna share my speculations on the working titles tracklist. I had fun trying to predict the lenght of every song or associating the title to previous DT song.
regarding the lenght of time we'll see if I guessed some or I was completely wrong ;D:
1. Opening 4 mins
2. Reap the Harvest 6
3. Bad Larry 8
4. Vinegar Seed 9
5. Dolphin Safe 6
6. The Clover 7
7. Along for the Ride 11
8. Epic 17
9. Smoothen 5
10. Easter Egg 1 TOTAL TIME around 74 mins
if this album were made of previous DT song for me it would be like this:
Opening-Overture (SDOIT): I realy wanna hear great orchestrations in it, just like this magnificent song
Reap the Harvest-About to Crash: This title intrigues me. It makes me think of a really proggish Rush-related song, like Innocence Faded or Strange Deja Vu. I'm really looking forward to it
Bad Larry-Constant Motion: really powerful, with lots of badass riffs inspired by Metallica. I'd associate it with Rite of Passage, too.
Vinegar Seed-This is the life: well, I might be completely wrong, but I think this may be a ballad with some great epic moments, just like TITL or One last time.
Dolphin Safe-Through her eyes: really smooth, delicate, like saying you: relax and prepare yourself for the second amazing part of the album!
The Clover-The Dance of Eternity: I'm really looking forward to it, and I hope it will be on the level of TDOE, my favourite DT instrumental
Along for the Ride-A Nightmare to Remember: I expect all the elements of a great DT song: great riffs, beautiful acoustic middle section, amazing instrumental part and an epic final.
Epic-The Count of Tuscany: if they've given this title it sure will be one of the best compositions they ever made. In DT I trust :metal
Smoothen-Beneath the Surface: like ADTOE, it seems that a ballad will close the album. I would like to hear something similar to BTS, with lots of acoustic guitars and mostly a Genesis vibe in it.
A compilation thus made would be around 77 mins long, containing some of the very best in DT discography, hoping that my expectations won't be disappointed :smiley:
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Guys, remember when the cover art for ADTOE was revealed, and most thought it was fake, and it took weeks for many fans to accept that it, indeed, was the REAL cover art?
Well, I hope we're not repeating history here. :sad:
I actually like the ADTOE cover, but this one? Absolutely horrible.
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They should keep Reap The Harvest as a title.
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(https://i39.tinypic.com/2i9p4ch.jpg)
(https://i42.tinypic.com/23l8ad.jpg)
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(https://i42.tinypic.com/23l8ad.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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:hefdaddy
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Awesome!!
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Is my brain tricking me or were those made in the PRE-ADTOE era? :eek
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How on earth could anyone even think it's a possible cover? It looks horrendous! :lol
Also, I bet a band somewhere has made an album cover like this. It's just too simple of an idea for a band like DT (Especially if Hugh Syme is making the cover).
Similar, but less amateur-ish.
(https://jimcueva.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/oliva.jpg)
If it's a simple cover with the logo I'm thinking Syme will do a textured background like Whitesnake's 1987 and every other cover he did back then :biggrin:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d6/Whitesnake_(album).jpg/220px-Whitesnake_(album).jpg)
(https://www.metalkingdom.net/album/cover/d65/1648_whitesnake_slip_of_the_tongue.jpg)
(https://img0017.popscreencdn.com/81232163_quiet-riot---qr-iii-album-cover---quiet-riot---.jpg)
(https://www.mclub.com.ua/images/alb/cover533_157076.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2c/Bon_Jovi_New_Jersey.jpg/220px-Bon_Jovi_New_Jersey.jpg)
(https://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070109045027/lyricwiki/images/a/a9/Bad_English_-_Bad_English.jpg)
There are plenty more but you get the idea.
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That's interesting, Lowdz.
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Well, I would love if he departed from that canon he himself established. They look rather cheapish... :justjen
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Is my brain tricking me or were those made in the PRE-ADTOE era? :eek
Yep, I made them back when we were all waiting for them to reveal ADTOE's cover.
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Well, I would love if he departed from that canon he himself established. They look rather cheapish... :justjen
They all look better than the last couple of DT covers by a fair bit. I'd rather simple and well executed, than complex and cut and pastey. Simple like that is exactly what this album covers for too.
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This one needs painting elephant masons on unicycles crashing into mirrors!
And traffic lights for the hell of it!
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I don't see how anyone can take that curtain cover seriously. It looks godawful. I know DT covers aren't all great, but they at least have pride in their work.
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What if DTDT's cover is a combination/collage of all the previous ones? I am not very big on this idea, to be honest, but it's a possibility.
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You mean like
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/944735_10151433328371825_275712920_n.jpg)
EDIT: Wait a second. You're the one that posted this picture in the other thread. :lol
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Seems like something they'd maybe do if Portnoy was still around. It's a cool idea for a compilation album, not so much a studio release. The problem is there's virtually no way to do that without it being too busy.
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Yeah, when you look at that image, your eyes don't know where to look, because there's so many things.
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That is the greatest image I've seen in my life.
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Which object in that picture is from WDADU?
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The branding iron below the unicyclist.
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Ahh. Didn't know it was a branding iron lol
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Looked like a flower or something at that res. Thanks to Zydar for the facts!
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And knowing is half the battle.
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And the other half is wild speculation!
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I thought it was a fireplace poker....
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Guys, remember when the cover art for ADTOE was revealed, and most thought it was fake, and it took weeks for many fans to accept that it, indeed, was the REAL cover art?
Some yet have to.
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I dunno if this image has been already posted, anyway I think it's not bad though it's most probably a fake.
(https://i.imgur.com/4cR5TPV.png)
https://www.noctworld.it/forum/musica/6568-dream-theater-new-album-artwork-2013-a.html
This looks like something YtseJam records could come up with.... :yeahright
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Well hello 1998
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So, July.
WHERE THE HELL IS MY TRACKLIST?!
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I dunno if this image has been already posted, anyway I think it's not bad though it's most probably a fake.
(https://i.imgur.com/4cR5TPV.png)
https://www.noctworld.it/forum/musica/6568-dream-theater-new-album-artwork-2013-a.html
I have chidren and this looks like the ending of every episode of "Little Einsteins"
Definately a fake
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Getting very impatient for news...
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I have chidren and this looks like the ending of every episode of "Little Einsteins"
Definately a fake
lol /flashback
"lol that clown looks so lame, the whole thing looks so lame...a clown! DT can't possibly use a clown in their first post-MP album!"
OE SURPRISE
DT is an amazing band, but their art cover selection criteria isn't exactly what I call "good".
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Ummm... Guys, is it important that Dream Theater deleted the tour announcement from their Facebook page?
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I've already bought my tickets! :eek
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I think it's slightly important.
*waiting anxiously
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At least it's still there on the website...
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Ummm... Guys, is it important that Dream Theater deleted the tour announcement from their Facebook page?
I think it's slightly important.
*waiting anxiously
Except... they didn't
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial/posts/10151449170932181 (https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial/posts/10151449170932181)
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It's just not on the front page anymore.
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I'm wondering if people could help me clear something up since my memory on the subject is a bit fuzzy at the moment...when were the snippets of tracks from ADTOE released in relation to the release of OTBOA and the album drop date? I can't remembee for the life of me where they fit inon the timeline. I for one wouldn't be bothered if they did something similar this time and would definitely give them a listen since I don't feel like hearing those snippets detracted from the impact of hearing thealbum through for the first time :tup
Also...I third the motion to archive if this gets locked simply for Lonestar's Evening with quote if for nothing else :lol
A lot of key events in the timeline for ADTOE are listed here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22350.0
The archive and search function are your friends.
Regarding spamming in the thread:
As Rich pointed out, we are VERY lenient about allowing some off-topic banter and silliness, especially given that the gaps in time between information have been so big and there is nothing to do but speculate in between. But the blatant spamming needs to stop or warnings will be handed out. And since the vast majority of this thread is just pointless (but fun) banter, this thread will likely be deleted once we have some actual concrete news to discuss.
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Which object in that picture is from WDADU?
The armpit of the unicyclist
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this thread will likely be deleted once we have some actual concrete news to discuss.
Concrete, from the Latin word "concretus" (meaning compact or condensed). IT'S GOING TO BE AN ALBUM OF SONGS ALL UNDER 5 MINUTES!!
Wait, no, that can't be right.
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I'm wondering if people could help me clear something up since my memory on the subject is a bit fuzzy at the moment...when were the snippets of tracks from ADTOE released in relation to the release of OTBOA and the album drop date? I can't remembee for the life of me where they fit inon the timeline. I for one wouldn't be bothered if they did something similar this time and would definitely give them a listen since I don't feel like hearing those snippets detracted from the impact of hearing thealbum through for the first time :tup
Also...I third the motion to archive if this gets locked simply for Lonestar's Evening with quote if for nothing else :lol
A lot of key events in the timeline for ADTOE are listed here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22350.0
The archive and search function are your friends.
Regarding spamming in the thread:
As Rich pointed out, we are VERY lenient about allowing some off-topic banter and silliness, especially given that the gaps in time between information have been so big and there is nothing to do but speculate in between. But the blatant spamming needs to stop or warnings will be handed out. And since the vast majority of this thread is just pointless (but fun) banter, this thread will likely be deleted once we have some actual concrete news to discuss.
So, according to this we are about a week behind on a single, and a few weeks behind on track listing. However, I think the reason we had news a lot earlier for ADTOE is because of A) the drummer audition was a huge development we followed religiously, so information regarding the recording was released as a boon to us and B) the track listing could be released a lot earlier because the songs were written without a drummers input, so completed much sooner.
Plus, with other DT albums we got information pretty steadily because MP loved talking about the work in the studio and he'd always let the fans know where things stood. I don't think this album took that much longer to write, record and mix than anything MP was a part of. It's just that we don't have as strong a media presence for this one.
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Keep in mind ADTOE came out a week before DT12 is scheduled to come out, so everything you guys think we're 'behind' on, we're actually one week less behind on it than you think.
hahaha
And as far as MP being around to inform us, I'm kinda glad there isn't someone just spilling all the beans on this one. It makes the album wayyyyyy more mysterious and makes the anticipation much greater imo. :metal
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Keep in mind ADTOE came out a week before DT12 is scheduled to come out, so everything you guys think we're 'behind' on, we're actually one week less behind on it than you think.
hahaha
And as far as MP being around to inform us, I'm kinda glad there isn't someone just spilling all the beans on this one. It makes the album wayyyyyy more mysterious and makes the anticipation much greater imo. :metal
Everything you said is completely correct.
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I wish there was a little more "behind the scenes" stuff this time around. JR clearly enjoys interacting with the fans but he's not really given us any news about the album. JP tweets once a month and JLB maybe once every two months. I really miss the epic studio diaries and behind the scenes "making of" stuff.
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JP hasn't posted on his forum in almost 2 years :-[
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Yeah, I signed up at JP.com when MP.com had its implosion and grand exodus, and I guess I was expecting JP to pick up the torch. He'd indicated that DT as a band was still committed to open communication with the fanbase, and while they were up front about probably not being as forthcoming as MP had been in the past, it has been rather a disappointment overall.
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Seriously guys, JP was keeping us posted the entire time they were recording the album and mixing. Relax and think about how normal bands are. Normal bands don't tell you shit. I really would love to get updates too, but it's not like we're entitled to know every detail before the album even comes out. Be patient. You'd think people who listen to 40 minute songs would have more patience.
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Seriously guys, JP was keeping us posted the entire time they were recording the album and mixing. Relax and think about how normal bands are. Normal bands don't tell you shit. I really would love to get updates too, but it's not like we're entitled to know every detail before the album even comes out. Be patient. You'd think people who listen to 40 minute songs would have more patience.
This really made me laugh :lol
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Seriously guys, JP was keeping us posted the entire time they were recording the album and mixing. Relax and think about how normal bands are. Normal bands don't tell you shit. I really would love to get updates too, but it's not like we're entitled to know every detail before the album even comes out. Be patient. You'd think people who listen to 40 minute songs would have more patience.
This, seriously.
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There is other music to listen to, it's not like DT is the only band out there.
But to some people, they are ;)
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There is other music to listen to, it's not like DT is the only band out there.
But to some people, they are ;)
The only band I like that's coming out with music soon
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That's unfortunate!
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Seriously guys, JP was keeping us posted the entire time they were recording the album and mixing. Relax and think about how normal bands are. Normal bands don't tell you shit. I really would love to get updates too, but it's not like we're entitled to know every detail before the album even comes out. Be patient. You'd think people who listen to 40 minute songs would have more patience.
This is too true.
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That's unfortunate!
Seriously! There's so much amazing music out there, whether it be prog, metal, pop, electronica, etc. I find it unfortunate that you can't find SOMETHING else out there to love!
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There is other music to listen to, it's not like DT is the only band out there.
But to some people, they are ;)
The only band I like that's coming out with music soon
Have you heard of Haken? You might like 'em.
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There is other music to listen to, it's not like DT is the only band out there.
But to some people, they are ;)
The only band I like that's coming out with music soon
Have you heard of Haken? You might like 'em.
Yeah, a lot like DT (in a good way)
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Last Chance To Reason are also a fantastic prog band that are noticeably influenced by Dream Theater while managing to have their own unique sound and perspective.
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There is other music to listen to, it's not like DT is the only band out there.
But to some people, they are ;)
The only band I like that's coming out with music soon
Go listen to Haken right now. :)
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I support anyone recommending Haken to anyone.
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Yes, Haken have already announced to debut a new song in the coming days :metal
The last Leprous album is also a good medication to forget about DT for an hour.
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I support anyone recommending Haken to anyone.
Me too!!!!! They really are a great band, I'm glad I also have their upcoming album to look forward to.
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DT in the studio again thread v. Haken in the studio!
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Would love to see a Dream Theater/Haken Tour in 2014, but we all dream.. :angel:
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DT in the studio again thread v. Haken in the studio!
YES.
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Guys, stay on topic if you want this archived! Anyway, not enjoying the lack of news recently
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First song by them I listened to was Nocturnal Conspiracy.
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First song by them I listened to was Nocturnal Conspiracy.
Cool. :D I'd like to hear your thoughts on it, but so I don't derail this thread any further, I direct you to our Haken Thread.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=1736.0
On topic, I actually don't mind the artwork with the curtains. It's not fantastic, but it'd work.
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I wouldn't mind just the black background and purple DT logo. It's simple, and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Yeah, so long as the music's good, I can deal with whatever artwork they choose.
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Pretty much. I've always appreciated simple artwork more than artwork that's all over the place.
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I would like it if they did something like Six Degrees again, that one has my favorite artwork.
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Yeah, I agree :metal
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I don't understand what's so great about the Six Degrees artwork. Sure, it's radically different from all their other albums, but it's just a bunch of graffiti and scribbles.
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I couldn't really say. I just like how it looks.
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I don't understand what's so great about the Six Degrees artwork. Sure, it's radically different from all their other albums, but it's just a bunch of graffiti and scribbles.
You said it yourself :D
It just really stands out to me!
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Personally in my head I see the cover as a fold out one similar to the Special Edition ADTOE (with the drummer docu). Just black with the purple Majesty logo. It is then in a slipcase which has a matte sorta finish and an embossed purple Majesty logo. So simple, yet so swish! (for lack of a better word)
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I don't understand what's so great about the Six Degrees artwork. Sure, it's radically different from all their other albums, but it's just a bunch of graffiti and scribbles.
I think it fits the music well. There's not a lot going on but it sort of has that chaotic look to it. Plus it's just cool to look at.
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So simple, yet so swish! (for lack of a better word)
SO ENERGY !
SO POWAH !
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I don't understand what's so great about the Six Degrees artwork. Sure, it's radically different from all their other albums, but it's just a bunch of graffiti and scribbles.
Which still puts it well above a clown on a unicycle, random mishmashes of elephants, statues, and little girls, naked men being branded, and little boys playing with sand. :lol
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I agree completely with Blob.
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I don't understand what's so great about the Six Degrees artwork. Sure, it's radically different from all their other albums, but it's just a bunch of graffiti and scribbles.
Which still puts it well above a clown on a unicycle, random mishmashes of elephants, statues, and little girls, naked men being branded, and little boys playing with sand. :lol
That's some great artwork. :tup
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But not above guys staring at each other with binoculars, ants, or traffic lights?
Blob, doesn't the wacky art make your job easier? I saw a lot of unicycling, elephants, and traffic lights on DT's screens
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Seriously guys, JP was keeping us posted the entire time they were recording the album and mixing. Relax and think about how normal bands are. Normal bands don't tell you shit. I really would love to get updates too, but it's not like we're entitled to know every detail before the album even comes out. Be patient. You'd think people who listen to 40 minute songs would have more patience.
This really made me laugh :lol
;)
Seriously though! :lol
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Well, you made your point in a way that killed every possible rebuttal from DT fans before those were even formulated :lol
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SDOIT and SFAM are my favorite artworks, but i enjoy most of them ;D
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If we could have an album art which is equally good as ToT's art, now that would be great :biggrin:
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Do you guys think DT will offer a special set like the Limited Deluxe Collector's Edition Box Set that ADTOE had?
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If we could have an album art which is equally good as ToT's art, now that would be great :biggrin:
Yeah, this.
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Do you guys think DT will offer a special set like the Limited Deluxe Collector's Edition Box Set that ADTOE had?
I think it has already confirmed a while ago that there will be a Box Set this time too.
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Whoever recommended "Last Chance to Reason" I want that five minutes of my life back after watching their Upload Complete video. It started out ok enough until the vocalist appeared with his ridiculous angry facial expressions and growling.
Seriously, if you want to recommend good proggy bands, at least point people towards Seventh Wonder and the like.
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Do you guys think DT will offer a special set like the Limited Deluxe Collector's Edition Box Set that ADTOE had?
I think it has already confirmed a while ago that there will be a Box Set this time too.
Great :metal
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SDOIT and SFAM are my favorite artworks, but i enjoy most of them ;D
I despise most of them:
WDADU - just gross
I&W - dat kitsch
Awake - same as above, but with redeeming factors (color scheme, all the songs represented)
ACOS - WTF?
FII - too bad for the font, otherwise a really good one
SFAM - love it, mostly because it reminds me of the classic prog rock covers
SDOIT - pleasant looking, but reminds me of baseball caps, loose jeans and skateboards...not a good fit for DT.
ToT - As Eye Am
Octavarium - good concept, sloppy execution. The grass looks like it's from Fifa '98 and the whole thing has a late '90s video game quality to it.
SC - looks cheap in some places, bad font, but kinda like the comic book style
BC&SL - the kitsch is back...and the elephant from 3dmark 2003...
ADTOE - this one is refreshing to look at. I like the colors, tooone and the simplicity (most DT covers are overcrowded)
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SDOIT and SFAM are my favorite artworks, but i enjoy most of them ;D
I despise most of them:
WDADU - just gross
I&W - dat kitsch
Awake - same as above, but with redeeming factors (color scheme, all the songs represented)
ACOS - WTF?
FII - too bad for the font, otherwise a really good one
SFAM - love it, mostly because it reminds me of the classic prog rock covers
SDOIT - pleasant looking, but reminds me of baseball caps, loose jeans and skateboards...not a good fit for DT.
ToT - As Eye Am
Octavarium - good concept, sloppy execution. The grass looks like it's from Fifa '98 and the whole thing has a late '90s video game quality to it.
SC - looks cheap in some places, bad font, but kinda like the comic book style
BC&SL - the kitsch is back...and the elephant from 3dmark 2003...
ADTOE - this one is refreshing to look at. I like the colors, tooone and the simplicity (most DT covers are overcrowded)
Well, now we know where your tastes lie. FII is not 'really good' IMHO. Also what's gross about WDADU other than it being a guy? Are we (the forum) really that insecure about our sexuality that we can't enjoy a cover with a guy on it?
Also ADTOE.. horrible.. just.. horrible.
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My favourite covers are SFAM, SDOIT and ADTOE. If I had to pick a favourite it would probably go to
ADTOE.
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My favourite covers are probably Awake (love the references and the darker mood of the whole thing), Falling Into Infinity (pretty Floydian, and very good. Shame about the font, as already said. Love the simplicity) and Train of Thought (works very well with the mood of the album, and I enjoy the black and white work). Octavarium could be pretty cool, if it weren't so sloppily executed.
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Are we (the forum) really that insecure about our sexuality that we can't enjoy a cover with a guy on it?
For me, the problem is that an armpit is an armpit, no matter who it belongs to. Not what I wanna see on my album covers, y'know? :lol
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What's wrong about armpits? ???
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What's wrong about armpits? ???
Not exactly the most pleasant body part, are they?
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What's wrong about armpits? ???
Not exactly the most pleasant body part, are they?
Especially a dude's.
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What's wrong about armpits? ???
Not exactly the most pleasant body part, are they?
They could have shown worse.
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What's wrong about armpits? ???
Not exactly the most pleasant body part, are they?
They could have shown worse.
Doesn't make it any less unpleasant though. :)
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Whoever recommended "Last Chance to Reason" I want that five minutes of my life back after watching their Upload Complete video. It started out ok enough until the vocalist appeared with his ridiculous angry facial expressions and growling.
Seriously, if you want to recommend good proggy bands, at least point people towards Seventh Wonder and the like.
Not my fucking problem you don't appreciate growls and they arent suddenly bad because of your hang up. I also find it absolutely hilarious that a facial expression made you that mad.
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What's wrong about armpits? ???
Not exactly the most pleasant body part, are they?
They could have shown worse.
Certain Type O Negative covers come to mind... I mean, come on, it's just a dude's hairy armpit, you have two of those too, and it's drawn, it's not like you have to smell it if you put the album case near your face :lol (and maybe it smelled nice!)
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Not my fucking problem you don't appreciate growls and they arent suddenly bad because of your hang up. I also find it absolutely hilarious that a facial expression made you that mad.
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It's called an opinion my friend. I would elaborate but I wouldn't want to offend you and/or your band any further.
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Doesn't make it any less unpleasant though. :)
It's an _ARMPIT_. They didn't have the dude spread eagle showing off his balloon knot.
It's 2013. Time to get over the homophobia.
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JP is on his way to mastering:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q90/998824_584473048271378_1635084242_n.jpg)
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:D :D :D :D
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It's called an opinion my friend. I would elaborate but I wouldn't want to offend you and/or your band any further.
You went beyond sharing an opinion to being a jerk with your comments.
And they're not "my band", just recommending some music that I enjoyed.
There's sharing your opinion "I didn't like that", and there's being a pompous jerk "if you're going to recommend prog, recommend actual good bands/ I want my five minutes back, stupid growls weh"
If you want to further discuss lets take it to private messages as to not derail any further, but I'd be fine to leave it as is and walk away
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"DT in the studio again v. What's wrong with armpits?"
JP is on his way to mastering:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q90/998824_584473048271378_1635084242_n.jpg)
:caffeine:
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So the masters are dolphin safe? :D
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So he masters are dolphin safe? :D
Cover art:
(https://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxee3fcY3X1qfzrl3.jpg)
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JP is on his way to mastering:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q90/998824_584473048271378_1635084242_n.jpg)
Master! Master!
It's those sounds that we've been after!
Master! Master!
The cake is not a lie!
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What's wrong about armpits? ???
Not exactly the most pleasant body part, are they?
They could have shown worse.
Smell this! (https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/8417_100383156645358_4411566_n.jpg)
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How long does mastering generally take anyway? I thought they'd have finished by now seeing as the mix was finished last week.
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Doesn't make it any less unpleasant though. :)
It's an _ARMPIT_. They didn't have the dude spread eagle showing off his balloon knot.
It's 2013. Time to get over the homophobia.
It's also time to not name call or make accusations just because someone else finds album art distasteful. That needs to stop right now.
And same goes for this post:
It's called an opinion my friend. I would elaborate but I wouldn't want to offend you and/or your band any further.
You went beyond sharing an opinion to being a jerk with your comments.
And they're not "my band", just recommending some music that I enjoyed.
There's sharing your opinion "I didn't like that", and there's being a pompous jerk "if you're going to recommend prog, recommend actual good bands/ I want my five minutes back, stupid growls weh"
If you want to further discuss lets take it to private messages as to not derail any further, but I'd be fine to leave it as is and walk away
Dark Castle, you need to quit with the namecalling as well. I'm not sure why this attitude seems to surface whenever someone says they don't like a band you happen to like, but your resorting to baiting, arguing and namecalling either stops, or else your ability to post here will stop.
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For what it's worth, I've apologised to Dark Castle via PM as I accept I was a bit of a dick. No offence intended.
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JP is on his way to mastering:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q90/998824_584473048271378_1635084242_n.jpg)
Master! Master!
It's those sounds that we've been after!
Master! Master!
The cake is not a lie!
MASTERS!
MASTERS!
MASTERS!
MASTERS!
MASTERS!
Seems to me that a case labeled "Masters" means the masters are actually IN the case and done? Did JP say he was on his way to mastering?
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How long does mastering generally take anyway? I thought they'd have finished by now seeing as the mix was finished last week.
Typically a day. I remember a mastering engineer say it could take from 4 up to 12 hours depending on how good the mix is and other things. Usually not more than the typical 8 hour working day.
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JP is on his way to mastering:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q90/998824_584473048271378_1635084242_n.jpg)
I can almost touch it. So close yet so far away.
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Seems to me that a case labeled "Masters" means the masters are actually IN the case and done? Did JP say he was on his way to mastering?
Thought the same but he did say it:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=584473048271378&l=8d2c3ba3ea
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Did JP say he was on his way to mastering?
Yup, the exact quote was "on my way to mastering".
Fuck. Yeah.
And ninja'd, but fuck yeah anyways.
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Doesn't make it any less unpleasant though. :)
It's an _ARMPIT_. They didn't have the dude spread eagle showing off his balloon knot.
It's 2013. Time to get over the homophobia.
...but it's not homophobia...?
EDIT: Seems we've moved on, never mind.
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So....single next week? :) Unless the art still needs to be done...
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SDOIT and SFAM are my favorite artworks, but i enjoy most of them ;D
I despise most of them:
WDADU - just gross
I&W - dat kitsch
Awake - same as above, but with redeeming factors (color scheme, all the songs represented)
ACOS - WTF?
FII - too bad for the font, otherwise a really good one
SFAM - love it, mostly because it reminds me of the classic prog rock covers
SDOIT - pleasant looking, but reminds me of baseball caps, loose jeans and skateboards...not a good fit for DT.
ToT - As Eye Am
Octavarium - good concept, sloppy execution. The grass looks like it's from Fifa '98 and the whole thing has a late '90s video game quality to it.
SC - looks cheap in some places, bad font, but kinda like the comic book style
BC&SL - the kitsch is back...and the elephant from 3dmark 2003...
ADTOE - this one is refreshing to look at. I like the colors, tooone and the simplicity (most DT covers are overcrowded)
Well, now we know where your tastes lie. FII is not 'really good' IMHO. Also what's gross about WDADU other than it being a guy? Are we (the forum) really that insecure about our sexuality that we can't enjoy a cover with a guy on it?
Also ADTOE.. horrible.. just.. horrible.
I also find I&W "gross" and that has a little girl on it. Both are unpleasant to look at for my eyes. Where exactly do you get the nerve to assume to know precisely what my problem is with the WDADU cover? What you implied never even occurred to me before. I see you also recklessly accused someone of "homophobia" in similar fashion. What puzzles me now about the forum at this point is how can someone with such an attitude be an "alumni"...
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Octavarium - good concept, sloppy execution. The grass looks like it's from Fifa '98 and the whole thing has a late '90s video game quality to it.
:rollin
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How long does mastering generally take anyway? I thought they'd have finished by now seeing as the mix was finished last week.
Typically a day. I remember a mastering engineer say it could take from 4 up to 12 hours depending on how good the mix is and other things. Usually not more than the typical 8 hour working day.
This is exciting news ONLY if it is now in the hands of a responsible person who will not ruin it. JP should threaten whoever he hands it off to.
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I also find I&W "gross" and that has a little girl on it. Both are unpleasant to look at for my eyes. Where exactly do you get the nerve to assume to know precisely what my problem is with the WDADU cover? What you implied never even occurred to me before. I see you also recklessly accused someone of "homophobia" in similar fashion. What puzzles me now about the forum at this point is how can someone with such an attitude be an "alumni"...
To me when someone brings "gross" into the equation, and we're pretty much talking about a cover that's nothing more than a dude getting 'branded' with the Majesty logo..... I can't help but wonder what's gross? Using the word 'gross' to me just makes it sound like someone that's on the immature or young side.
I still don't see the problem with the cover. Is it my favorite.. well no. But I don't find it 'gross' or distasteful.
Everyone is different... I'm sure a lot of people hate it just for having a somewhat effeminate guy on it.. why? My line of thinking was homophobia. Plenty of folks out there that think that way so it's not out of the realm of possibility. My wife has a lot of gay friends and family and after seeing the things they've been through nothing surprises me anymore.
I apologize if I offended you.
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I also find I&W "gross" and that has a little girl on it. Both are unpleasant to look at for my eyes. Where exactly do you get the nerve to assume to know precisely what my problem is with the WDADU cover? What you implied never even occurred to me before. I see you also recklessly accused someone of "homophobia" in similar fashion. What puzzles me now about the forum at this point is how can someone with such an attitude be an "alumni"...
To me when someone brings "gross" into the equation, and we're pretty much talking about a cover that's nothing more than a dude getting 'branded' with the Majesty logo..... I can't help but wonder what's gross? Using the word 'gross' to me just makes it sound like someone that's on the immature or young side.
I still don't see the problem with the cover. Is it my favorite.. well no. But I don't find it 'gross' or distasteful.
Everyone is different... I'm sure a lot of people hate it just for having a somewhat effeminate guy on it.. why? My line of thinking was homophobia. Plenty of folks out there that think that way so it's not out of the realm of possibility. My wife has a lot of gay friends and family and after seeing the things they've been through nothing surprises me anymore.
I apologize if I offended you.
It's okay, no harm done. I get your line of thinking when applied to society in general, but DTF always struck me as a tolerant community and I never encountered homophobia or racism here.
(https://images.sodahead.com/polls/001051937/racial_bigotry_demotivational_poster_1231794256_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg)
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I don't understand the hangup with album covers. Of course I appreciate good ones, but if it's not my taste, so what. The music ultimately is what counts.
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I can't help but feel that the general outrage towards the 'offending' covers has been somewhat overestimated, here.
I can't speak for Sycsa but whereas I don't find the covers to my tastes for one reason or another, that dislike isn't enough that it actively plays on the mind from day to day. What started out as just sharing why we like certain covers less than others, something got blown out of proportion somewhere.
Of course it's the music that matters, but we can probably drop it now, can't we?
Hopefully we can look forward to either a single or some snippets in the next couple of weeks and get ready to argue about those. :biggrin:
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Seems to me that a case labeled "Masters" means the masters are actually IN the case and done? Did JP say he was on his way to mastering?
LET THE SPECULATION BEGIN CONTINUE !!!!!
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I can't help but feel that the general outrage towards the 'offending' covers has been somewhat overestimated, here.
I can't speak for Sycsa but whereas I don't find the covers to my tastes for one reason or another, that dislike isn't enough that it actively plays on the mind from day to day. What started out as just sharing why we like certain covers less than others, something got blown out of proportion somewhere.
Of course it's the music that matters, but we can probably drop it now, can't we?
Hopefully we can look forward to either a single or some snippets in the next couple of weeks and get ready to argue about those. :biggrin:
Agreed. It was only intended as a lighthearted write-up on my part.
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Seems to me that a case labeled "Masters" means the masters are actually IN the case and done? Did JP say he was on his way to mastering?
LET THE SPECULATION BEGIN CONTINUE !!!!!
This.
If mastering is done by the end of today...
We could get a single perhaps as early as this weekend? (Doubtful, but you never know. OtBoA was not released with a music video, so there would be no delays there.)
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I think the Systematic Chaos cover with the freeway crossings and stuff looks really cheap. But the special edition with only the sky and the traffic light is one of my favorites. I love the colors and how relatively simple it is. Just a traffic light, and a sky for background.
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I think the Systematic Chaos cover with the freeway crossings and stuff looks really cheap. But the special edition with only the sky and the traffic light is one of my favorites. I love the colors and how relatively simple it is. Just a traffic light, and a sky for background.
I think both covers are some of DT's best. But yes, I do prefer the special edition one.
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Are we (the forum) really that insecure about our sexuality that we can't enjoy a cover with a guy on it?
For me, the problem is that an armpit is an armpit, no matter who it belongs to. Not what I wanna see on my album covers, y'know? :lol
(https://turntabling.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/bad-Album-covers-Ted-Nugent-If-You-cant-lick-em.jpg)
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Eww, a Ted Nugent album.
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Eww, a Ted Nugent album.
:metal
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I'm not a fan of that album cover either. Shall we just assume, for future reference, that armpits should be avoided?
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And ants, I hate ants!
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According to Amazon Japan (although the translation isn't very clear), there will be a special edition of the album formed by a CD and a DVD with a 5.1 mix and some bonus content.
Here's the page (maybe you'll need a translator): https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%89%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0%E3%83%BB%E3%82%B7%E3%82%A2%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC-DVD%E4%BB%98%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9A%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%AB%E3%83%BB%E3%82%A8%E3%83%87%E3%82%A3%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3/dp/B00DP4M6NC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372806779&sr=8-1&keywords=dream+theater
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Nice! :tup
No tracklist unfortunately :(
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:eek That's what I'm talkin about!!!
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:omg: Did you guys see the part where it says:
割引の適用については必ずキャンペーンページをお読みください。 (マーケットプレイス、ギフト券、Kindle、MP3ダウンロード、PCソフトダウンロード、PCソフト、javari.jpの商品は対象外)
:panicattack: :metal :fistpump:
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HA! 285!
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:omg: Did you guys see the part where it says:
割引の適用については必ずキャンペーンページをお読みください。 (マーケットプレイス、ギフト券、Kindle、MP3ダウンロード、PCソフトダウンロード、PCソフト、javari.jpの商品は対象外)
:panicattack: :metal :fistpump:
May I ask why "Please read the campaign page must be the application of the discount. (Products Marketplace, gift certificates, Kindle, MP3 download, PC download software, PC software, the javari.jp not eligible)" is important?
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It's funny because it doesn't mean anything.
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Apparently it's coming out on the 18th in Japan.
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Speculating based on translating the Japanese Amazon page? Now this thread is finally back on track! :lol
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Speculating based on translating the Japanese Amazon page? Now this thread is finally back on track! :lol
:lol
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It's not real Japanese. The font is wrong.
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And all those characters are stock images.
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Looks like somebody's cut-and-paste job. I'd be disappointed if that was the real description.
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It's not real Japanese. The font is wrong.
:rollin
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No, he's right. I don't know enough about Japanese written scripts to tell you what they are, but フトダウン definitely belongs to a different system than 割引の適用に.
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No, he's right. I don't know enough about Japanese written scripts to tell you what they are, but フトダウン definitely belongs to a different system than 割引の適用に.
Really? I wouldn't think so...
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Pretty sure. I don't know the difference between hiragana, katakana, or kanji myself, but they're distinct enough from each other that there definitely seems to be something up. Unless you really can switch between them at will. I dunno, Genowyn would know better than me.
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For the record, I was just making it up. I have no idea how to read Japanese.
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Yeah, I mean it's real, but you were "right" about the different "font" thing. Do we have any Japanese readers in the house?
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I can read Hebrew :biggrin:
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Pirate and Swahili is as far as I got in terms of language
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I can read Hebrew :biggrin:
?באמת? מאיפה עיר אתה
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I said I could read it. Never said I can understand it :lol I have no clue what you just said except the last word which is "Atah" and means "you". Also, being that I don't know the words I'm reading, I still need the vowels :P
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?באמת? מאיפה עיר אתה
:justjen
"Thank you, it's nice to be in your country too."
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I just google-translated it. Los Angeles :lol sorry to dissapoint
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Wow, I guess I wasn't really far off with what I jokingly said (it sounded like something George Bush would say). I got the gist of it
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So earlier, I saw that JLBs new solo record has a full track list and his tour dates are up... on DTs FB page. So frustrating. I think solo JLB needs his own FB page for that shit... I saw on DTs page: NEW ANNOUNCEMENT: and I went :omg: :metal Then I saw it was just JLB and went :facepalm: :censored :censored :censored. That's not to say I'm not interested or don't care about JLBs solo stuff, but I just want my dream theater... >:(
I'm :chill now. Sorry.
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Pretty sure. I don't know the difference between hiragana, katakana, or kanji myself, but they're distinct enough from each other that there definitely seems to be something up. Unless you really can switch between them at will. I dunno, Genowyn would know better than me.
Hiragana, katakana, and kanji are all used together. フトダウン is katakana, and 割引の適用に is a mixture of hiragana and kanji.
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Then I saw it was just JLB and went :facepalm:
Just JLB stuff? JUST JLB STUFFFF!?!?!?!? :facepalm: :censored :censored :censored
Okay, I'm :chill now.
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Pretty sure. I don't know the difference between hiragana, katakana, or kanji myself, but they're distinct enough from each other that there definitely seems to be something up. Unless you really can switch between them at will. I dunno, Genowyn would know better than me.
Hiragana, katakana, and kanji are all used together. フトダウン is katakana, and 割引の適用に is a mixture of hiragana and kanji.
I can verify this as a Japanese speaker. Japanese WITHOUT mixing all three writing systems together just looks weird to native speakers, unless you're a child and all you can read is hiragana. Everything is perfectly normal on the page.
Going through a quick skim I can't see what Bosk is so excited about when it comes to discounts and such. ;D
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I may have overreacted. :lol
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I got excited because I read that as JLB posted tour dates... then I became sad
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Actually I was just about to ask that. When did he post tour dates???!
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He hasn't from what I can tell. That's why I was confused :lol
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lol there's no tour dates..
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What if JLB decided on his next tour to open for DT? Personally I think that'd be an amazing show, but not very smart. I think JLB would like to widen his audience, get fans outside of the DT fan base. Wonder how Peter wilder does with Mangini's parts.
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I'm not sure his voice could stand the strains of first singing with the opening band and then sing for DT for a few hours.
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lol there's no tour dates..
:getoffmylawn:
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I'm not sure his voice could stand the strains of first singing with the opening band and then sing for DT for a few hours.
Exactly, it's not gonna happen. A few weeks of touring in Europe/Usa in November or December would serve well ti get him in shape by the start of the DT leg, though.
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I realize a JLB/DT tour would never happen. I'm just saying that if it could, it would be a good show. The music is just different enough to be really a good compliment to each other.
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Fuck that would be an amazing show. It will never happen, though. :'(
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What would be a cool, but kinda awkward show:
Winterspell
Dominici
OSI
Planet X
Flying Colors
Dream Theater
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I always though Flying Colors would go so freaking great with DT. I wonder if there's any reason one of Portnoy's projects couldn't ever be in the mix with DT themselves.
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Lose Winterspell/Dominici, throw in LTE and I'm there.
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Lose Winterspell/Dominici, throw in LTE and I'm there.
But then every ex member of DT is represented :lol
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I love how finding hairy armpits unpleasant is now labeled as "homophobia". A few pages late but just found it a bit amusing.
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?באמת? מאיפה עיר אתה
:justjen
"Thank you, it's nice to be in your country too."
It's suppoused to be: "מאיזו עיר אתה?"
Which means: "What city are you from?"
:)
Don't ever trust G.translate :)
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I just google-translated it. Los Angeles :lol sorry to dissapoint
Nah, you're fine. Jewish, I assume?
Pretty sure. I don't know the difference between hiragana, katakana, or kanji myself, but they're distinct enough from each other that there definitely seems to be something up. Unless you really can switch between them at will. I dunno, Genowyn would know better than me.
Hiragana, katakana, and kanji are all used together. フトダウン is katakana, and 割引の適用に is a mixture of hiragana and kanji.
I can verify this as a Japanese speaker. Japanese WITHOUT mixing all three writing systems together just looks weird to native speakers, unless you're a child and all you can read is hiragana. Everything is perfectly normal on the page.
Going through a quick skim I can't see what Bosk is so excited about when it comes to discounts and such. ;D
Thanks! I don't suppose you're able to get the gist of the words on that page?
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It's not real Japanese. The font is wrong.
Best post I've seen in ages. Holy shit :rollin :lol
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Pretty sure. I don't know the difference between hiragana, katakana, or kanji myself, but they're distinct enough from each other that there definitely seems to be something up. Unless you really can switch between them at will. I dunno, Genowyn would know better than me.
Well those big blocky characters are kanji, but it's pretty normal to see them hanging out with the other scripts.
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So the DVD will have 5.1 sound? Would they do that for a simple "making of..." video? Or is it possible that they are actually planning to perform the album in-studio?
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So the DVD will have 5.1 sound? Would they do that for a simple "making of..." video? Or is it possible that they are actually planning to perform the album in-studio?
Maybe it's a similar deal to SC where you get a 5.1 mix of the studio album? (although a true DVD-A 5.1 mix would be preferable)
Then again, considering our information source here, it may mean absolutely nothing. :lol
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Pretty sure. I don't know the difference between hiragana, katakana, or kanji myself, but they're distinct enough from each other that there definitely seems to be something up. Unless you really can switch between them at will. I dunno, Genowyn would know better than me.
Well those big blocky characters are kanji, but it's pretty normal to see them hanging out with the other scripts.
Yep, thanks, my bad. I was just pointing out that SN's joke was unintentionally somewhat correct.
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I always though Flying Colors would go so freaking great with DT. I wonder if there's any reason one of Portnoy's projects couldn't ever be in the mix with DT themselves.
Isn't it awkward when you go out to dinner with your new girlfriend, and your ex-wife, with her new hubby, is seated at the table next to you?
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I always though Flying Colors would go so freaking great with DT. I wonder if there's any reason one of Portnoy's projects couldn't ever be in the mix with DT themselves.
Isn't it awkward when you go out to dinner with your new girlfriend, and your ex-wife, with her new hubby, is seated at the table next to you?
:marriageanalogy:
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#MarrageAnalogy
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:lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9AtJWLxOAk
Basically a bunch of different versions of our MIDI.
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^^Ah man can't wait hearing the original and also when thinking about it....we actually should have a contest of some form on which forum member that can spot that part and what song on the album it belongs to the quickest when the album have been released. That could be fun.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9AtJWLxOAk
Basically a bunch of different versions of our MIDI.
Great stuff!!!
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Aside from the church organ, I could see any of those fitting, although the piano sounds the most likely to me due to the arrangement. I loved the honky tonk one the most. If the album has something that sounds like that, I'd be thrilled. Something with the variety of SFAM.
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Anybody have a guess at how much the deluxe edition would cost? I'm gonna guess somewhere around $120. What was the price of the ADTOE box set?
I missed that one, and I don't know if I'll ever get it.
I have the BCSL one, but that was after it was gone and came back a lot cheaper. I don't know if that will happen with ADTOE or not
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I think I payed around 70-80 euros for my deluxe edition of ADTOE.
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Here's a good one to speculate on, and maybe we need a separate thread, but who in reality folks, should open for DT on the North American tour?
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Here's a good one to speculate on, and maybe we need a separate thread, but who in reality folks, should open for DT on the European tour?
FTFM :biggrin:
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Never knew there were a bunch of Israelis on this board, count me as one of them too.
Besides the album, I really hope they're making a making-of DVD. I always love those
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9AtJWLxOAk
Basically a bunch of different versions of our MIDI.
The piano, orchestra and strings sound the most likely.
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Here's a good one to speculate on, and maybe we need a separate thread, but who in reality folks, should open for DT on the North American tour?
Well hopefully nobody and it's an evening with. But if not, Haken.
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Queensryche?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9AtJWLxOAk
Basically a bunch of different versions of our MIDI.
Sounds awesome! I wonder if I should tweet this link to JR and see if he responds?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9AtJWLxOAk
Basically a bunch of different versions of our MIDI.
Sounds awesome! I wonder if I should tweet this link to JR and see if he responds?
It's risky. We don't know how the band, assuming they don't know already informally, would react if "officially" notified that a bit of their still unreleased music leaked in some way.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9AtJWLxOAk
Basically a bunch of different versions of our MIDI.
Sounds awesome! I wonder if I should tweet this link to JR and see if he responds?
This isn't the whole section. Wes should send the one Fatal Tragedy made because its complete.
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Ah okay. Nevermind then.
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Here's a good one to speculate on, and maybe we need a separate thread, but who in reality folks, should open for DT on the North American tour?
Hopefully no one, but I would say Styx. That would be so freaking cool even though it will never happen.
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Here's a good one to speculate on, and maybe we need a separate thread, but who in reality folks, should open for DT on the North American tour?
Evening with would be best, but otherwise Collective Soul or Everclear...that way I could get my wife to actually go to the concert willingly, she could enjoy her music and I could enjoy mine ;D
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If there have to be, Haken please! They are uber awesome and they'll be releasing their third studio album in September as well. They are on the rise in popularity and would hugely benefit from getting to play in front of the DT people. Which, in turn, should well appreciate their playing as many of us on DTF already do. :)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9AtJWLxOAk
Basically a bunch of different versions of our MIDI.
The second patch gave me goosebumps.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9AtJWLxOAk
Basically a bunch of different versions of our MIDI.
The second patch gave me goosebumps.
I agree. The brass section was the best.
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Here's a good one to speculate on, and maybe we need a separate thread, but who in reality folks, should open for DT on the North American tour?
Evening with would be best, but otherwise Collective Soul or Everclear...that way I could get my wife to actually go to the concert willingly, she could enjoy her music and I could enjoy mine ;D
I saw Collective Soul with Mrs. P about 2 months ago and I was shocked at how much they rocked. The audience was really jumping! I know your comment was meant to be a joke and their audiences would never be compatible but I would go to that concert! :)
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...otherwise Collective Soul or Everclear...
Uhhh...kind of a mismatch there. Fans of those bands would be blown out of the arena during the first song.
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Never knew there were a bunch of Israelis on this board, count me as one of them too.
Besides the album, I really hope they're making a making-of DVD. I always love those
Oh, I'm not an Israeli. I've been several times and I used to be able to speak very well (and I'm Jewish), but that's about it.
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there's another interpretation of the snippet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeBmYdOmMgA
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...otherwise Collective Soul or Everclear...
Uhhh...kind of a mismatch there. Fans of those bands would be blown out of the arena during the first song.
Not true. I love Collective Soul. They can really rock a concert. I saw them last summer and it was great. I would love a DT/Collective Soul show.
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Can I ask a completely irrelevant question? When was the last time DT played Octavarium live? Is there any chance they'll play it this tour?
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I think the last time was the 8VM tour, and Razor's Edge on the SC tour. Though they should keep it shelved.
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Can I ask a completely irrelevant question? When was the last time DT played Octavarium live? Is there any chance they'll play it this tour?
The last time they played the whole thing was at the Score show at RCMH.
There is a larger chance they will play it this tour now that they are going back to an Evening With format.
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I really want to experience Octavarium live before DT disbands.
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Yes, they're gonna disband next year after Mike Mangini goes to replace MP in AdMob and the other members going nuts because of their terrible fate.... ::)
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Well, I'm certainly not worried about it happening any time soon, but I want the closure of knowing they'll play it again before they stop playing altogether.
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I really want to experience Octavarium live before DT disbands.
THIS. So much.
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So some minor twitter thing, just thought i should post it
(https://s21.postimg.org/ydrhmlqaf/Untitled.jpg)
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I really want to experience Octavarium live before DT disbands.
THIS. So much.
It is amazing. I want to experience ACOS live sometime in the near future...
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So some minor twitter thing, just thought i should post it
(https://s21.postimg.org/ydrhmlqaf/Untitled.jpg)
:panicattack:
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Guess I'm one of the rare few that has seen ACOS but not 8vm.
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Yeah, definitely the other way around for me, and I imagine for most of the other young'ns.
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If I had to choose, ACOS over 8V of course...
Wow, unofficial announcement of the announcement by Randy! (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/panic-smiley.gif)
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Alright, Randy! :metal
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If I had to choose, ACOS over 8V of course...
Wow, unofficial announcement of the announcement by Randy! (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/panic-smiley.gif)
All of this.
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I really want to experience Octavarium live before DT disbands.
THIS. So much.
It is amazing. I want to experience ACOS live sometime in the near future...
It would be so amazing that they bring both songs on tour. They can use either Octavarium or ACOS to close their sets.
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I really want to experience Octavarium live before DT disbands.
THIS. So much.
It is amazing. I want to experience ACOS live sometime in the near future...
It would be so amazing that they bring both songs on tour. They can use either Octavarium or ACOS to close their sets.
That would be BADASS, one in set A and the other in B. But it would take a lot of rehearsing....
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Alright, Randy! :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktgujXzj8-0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktgujXzj8-0)
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I really want to experience Octavarium live before DT disbands.
THIS. So much.
It is amazing. I want to experience ACOS live sometime in the near future...
It would be so amazing that they bring both songs on tour. They can use either Octavarium or ACOS to close their sets.
That would be BADASS, one in set A and the other in B. But it would take a lot of rehearsing....
I hear you, it's definitely a big challenge...but it's a possibility considering they're taking the fall off. They've got plenty of time to rehearse 'em.
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So some minor twitter thing, just thought i should post it
(https://s21.postimg.org/ydrhmlqaf/Untitled.jpg)
HOYLSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHIT
:panicattack:
Also, I would love to see Octavarium live.
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Nothing else to say : (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/panic-smiley.gif)
B.Lee
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i have much hate and love for the term "very soon"...
still all very exciting! :corn
Also I think I've decided that I will listen to this for the first time on vinyl. Is that a thing that's worth doing?
nonetheless I still stand by not listening to a single drop of this until its release. I've said it about seven times in the thread to make it more official for myself lol.
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(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/panic-smiley.gif)
soon....
:facepalm:
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:lol
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Good old Randy knows exactly the right things to say to get us all excited! :lol
The best thing ever would be if he posts the announcement here before the usual Twitter/FB channels.
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i have much hate and love for the term "very soon"...
You're telling me. Almost completely meaningless in promo terms. "Very" probably means days or weeks, rather than months, though, so that's nice.
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Alright, Randy! :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktgujXzj8-0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktgujXzj8-0)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Sweet, I was hoping that wouldn't go unnoticed. :lol
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Good old Randy knows exactly the right things to say to get us all excited! :lol
The best thing ever would be if he posts the announcement here before the usual Twitter/FB channels.
Yes.
Yes it would.
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Apparently the guy who runs the Twitter isn't Randy. It's someone named Phil.
So, what should we do to drag him over here to DTF too?
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Apparently the guy who runs the Twitter isn't Randy. It's someone named Phil.
So, what should we do to drag him over here to DTF too?
I think he should come here and apologize. It's not fair that he led all of us to believe that he was Randy.
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Hell, yeah! Pretending you are Randy should be a federal offence on DTF :getoffmylawn:
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(https://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/court/smileys-court-895145.gif)
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Randy came here from the "Facebook incident". No mention of Twitter that I remember.
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Yeah, I just think everyone assumed he ran both.
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Here's a good one to speculate on, and maybe we need a separate thread, but who in reality folks, should open for DT on the North American tour?
Evening with would be best, but otherwise Collective Soul or Everclear...that way I could get my wife to actually go to the concert willingly, she could enjoy her music and I could enjoy mine ;D
I saw Collective Soul with Mrs. P about 2 months ago and I was shocked at how much they rocked. The audience was really jumping! I know your comment was meant to be a joke and their audiences would never be compatible but I would go to that concert! :)
Collective Soul really isn't a joke, I have seen them twice in Concert with the Missus and they put on one of the most energetic rocking shows I have ever been to.
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So some minor twitter thing, just thought i should post it
(https://s21.postimg.org/ydrhmlqaf/Untitled.jpg)
"Stop teasing!"
"...very soon"
Teasing squared!
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I really want to experience Octavarium live before DT disbands.
THIS. So much.
It is amazing. I want to experience ACOS live sometime in the near future...
It would be so amazing that they bring both songs on tour. They can use either Octavarium or ACOS to close their sets.
That would be BADASS, one in set A and the other in B. But it would take a lot of rehearsing....
I hear you, it's definitely a big challenge...but it's a possibility considering they're taking the fall off. They've got plenty of time to rehearse 'em.
They're world class musicians, I'm sure they'd be able to pull it together. They managed to do Six Degrees and Octavarium in one show, with an orchestra no less, that couldn't have been easy.
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I notice Randy hasn't been back here since that epic day about 80 pages ago. Kinda disappointed. Randy effin rules... :biggrin:
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On other news, this thread has become the longest DT-related thread to be still on DTF's database (and therefore accounted for in the forum stats).
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He hasn't posted anything since then, doesn't mean he's not spying on us..... :police:
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I really want to experience Octavarium live before DT disbands.
THIS. So much.
It is amazing. I want to experience ACOS live sometime in the near future...
It would be so amazing that they bring both songs on tour. They can use either Octavarium or ACOS to close their sets.
That would be BADASS, one in set A and the other in B. But it would take a lot of rehearsing....
I hear you, it's definitely a big challenge...but it's a possibility considering they're taking the fall off. They've got plenty of time to rehearse 'em.
They're world class musicians, I'm sure they'd be able to pull it together. They managed to do Six Degrees and Octavarium in one show, with an orchestra no less, that couldn't have been easy.
I would hope they bring an orchestra along this tour. Would be a shame to have the orchestra in the studio but not bring them on tour. They did the opposite when they did Six Degrees. Though I think that was just for one show..... so who knows?
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Stop with the quote pyramids. This is an official warning.
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Sorry, shouldn't have quoted that... I noticed how big it was after I posted :censored :facepalm:
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Sorry, shouldn't have quoted that... I noticed how big it was after I posted :censored :facepalm:
No worries, dude. I was just kidding. ;)
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The word soon definetely has a somewhat new meaning as of late, but still very exciting to actually hear something about when we might get a cover and tracklist.
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Also we know for sure nothing we've been seeing is the album cover. At least most likely.
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Also we know for sure nothing we've been seeing is the album cover. At least most likely.
Hopefully. :\
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I think when RR says "soon", they mean "soon". They are calling the shots here, not like when OTE kept saying it with no real reason except to keep people talking about it. So yeah, before the weekend I reckon :tup
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AHHHH THAT MEANS WITHIN TWO DAYS AHHHHHH
I <3 news
Maybe a single? Masters were done yesterday after all.
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Prediction: Single within 2 weeks.
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Omg an announcement of an announcement (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/panic-smiley.gif)
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I will expect a single to be out by September, But I HOPE for one tomorrow. :P At least I have a possible Haken song to hold me off, but I'm waiting for that with just as much excitement! :metal
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I would think earlier than Sept, OTBOA was released end of June, so this is close to that.
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Just a hunch, but I don't expect anything over the holiday weekend. Earliest I would expect anything is late next week. I guess I would consider that "soon." The sucky thing is even if we get the info we want it still is months before the album comes out.
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It's been a month since the in studio video was posted, maybe we will get episode two along with the track list and artwork in the next couple of days! :biggrin: or maybe that's just hopeless optimism.
...soon..
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OR maybe Episode 1 means Episode 1 of 1
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Thanks! I don't suppose you're able to get the gist of the words on that page?
内容紹介
★コンスタントに作品をリリースする、常に進化するプログレッシヴ・ハードロック・アイコン、ドリーム・シアターによる、通算12作目となるスタジオ・アルバム! 今作は、バンド史上初となる自らのバンド名をタイトルに冠したセルフ・タイトル・アルバム。
★今作は、アルバム『ドリーム・シアター』にボーナスDVDを付けたスペシャル・エディション。DVDにはアルバム音源の5.1chミックスや、ボーナス・コンテンツを収録(予定)
Content Information
The 12th album from the constantly evolving and constantly releasing progressive hard rock icons Dream Theater! The album is crowned with the historical first of being self titled.
The release has a special edition DVD option. It will have a 5.1 ch mix as well as a compilation of bonus content.
Nothing new or exciting. That's the only part of the page that details anything about the product as opposed to Amazon Japan's policies and such. ;P
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5.1 Surround
ed Mix! YES! Hopefully that's true!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9AtJWLxOAk
Basically a bunch of different versions of our MIDI.
Sounds awesome! I wonder if I should tweet this link to JR and see if he responds?
It's risky. We don't know how the band, assuming they don't know already informally, would react if "officially" notified that a bit of their still unreleased music leaked in some way.
Honestly, I think they'd be cool with it, especially JR. Technically it came from an official source (whether they intended it to be decipherable or not), so it's their own fault. :lol :P
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9AtJWLxOAk
Basically a bunch of different versions of our MIDI.
Sounds awesome! I wonder if I should tweet this link to JR and see if he responds?
It's risky. We don't know how the band, assuming they don't know already informally, would react if "officially" notified that a bit of their still unreleased music leaked in some way.
Honestly, I think they'd be cool with it, especially JR. Technically it came from an official source (whether they intended it to be decipherable or not), so it's their own fault. :lol :P
Precisely. That makes it technically not a leak, either.
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5.1 Surrounded Mix! YES! Hopefully that's true!
I now really consider buying one of those audio systems. Just to hear DT12 in 5.1 :metal
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(https://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ej5w36k2msmgif/k-bigpic.gif)
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(https://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ej5w36k2msmgif/k-bigpic.gif)
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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:lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9AtJWLxOAk
Basically a bunch of different versions of our MIDI.
Sounds awesome! I wonder if I should tweet this link to JR and see if he responds?
It's risky. We don't know how the band, assuming they don't know already informally, would react if "officially" notified that a bit of their still unreleased music leaked in some way.
Honestly, I think they'd be cool with it, especially JR. Technically it came from an official source (whether they intended it to be decipherable or not), so it's their own fault. :lol :P
Precisely. That makes it technically not a leak, either.
do it I wanna see what happens :corn
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Do it.
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Can whoever is running the DTF twitter account do it?
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Roadrunner UK deleted the video with the midi. I'm not sure if we should do it :-\
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MM: Thank you everybody !! I swear that the new album is 7 times as good as anything I've ever recorded. I would never joke or exaggerate about such a thing. I really can't wait for everyone to hear and feel it, to read the lyrics, to dig into all the details of every aspect of the packaging. Only a few months away...
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Where's that from?
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https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini?fref=ts His official facebook page, in the comments section of the DRUM! Magazine thing.
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MM: Thank you everybody !! I swear that the new album is 7 times as good as anything I've ever recorded. I would never joke or exaggerate about such a thing. I really can't wait for everyone to hear and feel it, to read the lyrics, to dig into all the details of every aspect of the packaging. Only a few months away...
SOURCE? :omg:
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A response to the comments on one of his post in the "Mike Mangini Media & Info" facebook page, in the original post he was thanking for the votes on his award as drummer of the year and prog drummer .
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The man is a beast, no doubt about it. Bring on September. Gonna be playing GTAV with Dream Theater blaring. :metal
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The man is a beast, no doubt about it. Bring on September. Gonna be playing GTAV with Dream Theater blaring. :metal
DT, Haken, GTA V, BF4, ARMA 3...the mother of all months! :omg:
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MM: Thank you everybody !! I swear that the new album is 7 times as good as anything I've ever recorded. I would never joke or exaggerate about such a thing. I really can't wait for everyone to hear and feel it, to read the lyrics, to dig into all the details of every aspect of the packaging. Only a few months away...
He must be telling the truth, because he said it's 7 times better, as opposed to a round number like 10.
But my excitement level is at 787, maybe 846.
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My excitement level is at 858
NUGGETZ
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God damn it, my hype level just went critical.
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It is the fourth of July. Why not release a tracklist and album art on this day? And it is a Thursday and last last information was released on Thursday.
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It is the fourth of July. Why not release a tracklist and album art on this day? And it is a Thursday and last last information was released on Thursday.
All makes sense. Dream Theater, you may fire the hype cannon when ready.
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Tweet from Rich Chycki -
@chycki: Satisfaction! #dreamtheater https://t.co/yVkbIlIUU1
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I am SOOOO sick of all this teasing!!! >:(
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(https://media.tumblr.com/34b19a9d5c4e6b543f29f48e1640fd53/tumblr_inline_mild5m2LcM1qz4rgp.gif)
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Oh. My. God! :metal
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Why... Why would he upload such a picture?... WHY >:( >:( >:( >:( :eek :eek :eek
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Now, since the album is officially COMPLETE, can we have our tracklist/album art now? Pleeeeaaaassseee? :biggrin: ;D
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Mr. Chycki, hi. I'm about to drive my car and I have nothing to listen to. So you think it would be okay if I just?... Maybe?... No?... Ok. :-[
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Dudes, calm down. There's no reason to panic.
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Ah yes, the "car test". That's how I check my masters.
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I don't believe there's an emote that can express my intense desire for more information relating to the new album. It's through the roof right now. Also, I'm kind of nitpicking at a minor thing, but he's not holding the disc properly. He probably got fingerprints on that beautiful piece of music :sad:
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MM and Chycki are teasing us. I can't take it anymore. It's gonna be a long 2.5 months
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Let's hope for excellent sonic qualities this time.
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So now we know the album is at max 700mb in size, 52x in playing speed and maximum 80 mins long! :metal
NUGGETZ!!
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No double album then.
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Yes, double album is officially ruled out.
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I can live with it.
But oh my God, waiting for some kind of announcement is just... :panicattack:
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Richard, don't touch the cd please. Handle it with care. It contains the music we are all living for ! Hyped!!!!!!
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And now to copy the CD x100000 between now and September
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Well, we can say that from now on there chances of an album leak will be greater than zero.
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The single may be uploaded next week. I don't know what to expect about the first piece of music we're exposed to
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What kind of car is this ? :hat
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They should really release something. This amount of speculation can't be healthy.
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So now we know the album is at max 700mb in size, 52x in playing speed and maximum 80 mins long! :metal
NUGGETZ!!
I guess you are right, but the date doesn't fit, so may be the '2' means the second disk ? :eek
Edit: that disk seem pretty full, must be the date.
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They should really release something. This amount of speculation can't be healthy.
This.
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Can anybody tell what kinda car that is? And where he is?
Let us find this CD.
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Can anybody tell what kinda car that is? And where he is?
Let us find this CD.
It looks like some kind of KIA.
That's all I can really tell you
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Rich Chycki forgot to hashtag trollface
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Can anybody tell what kinda car that is? And where he is?
Let us find this CD.
the second DTFer in under an hour(?) suggesting and probably already considering hunting down this car and obtaining the cd.
Mark my words: If another week goes by without DT news and more teasing there will be anarchy!
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Rich Chycki forgot to hashtag trollface
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Info will come when it comes.
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Info will come when it comes.
"Very Soon"
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(https://whitsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Troll_Face.png)
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I hate that face.
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Generally I hate all of those meme faces. Also apologies if anyone else is seeing that image as huge. It certainly is on my phone! :/
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So now we know the album is at max 700mb in size, 52x in playing speed and maximum 80 mins long! :metal
NUGGETZ!!
I guess you are right, but the date doesn't fit, so may be the '2' means the second disk ? :eek
Edit: that disk seem pretty full, must be the date.
The mixes were done July 2, 2013, or 2 july 13
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Argh. So excited.
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I wouldn't mind a July 4th single.. Might help me forget about this stupid problem I'm having with my computer that no one in the world has figured out yet
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Have You Tried Turning It Off And On Again ?
(https://madeira.hccanet.org/project2_2011/grayp4/The-IT-Crowd-Something-Happened-600x330.png)
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Everyone who has the problem has tried it.
I am sure many people have emailed the support on the exact same subject on which I am about to email you.
I downloaded the demo. I opened the demo and it says exactly this:
"Could not initialize Direct3D. Please make sure the latest DirectX End-User Runtime is installed: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35"
I go to that website and download the setup. I then use the setup. After it is completed, it says exactly this:
"DirectX setup has determined that a newer or equivalent version of DirectX has been installed already. No installation is necessary."
Note that the website I downloaded the setup from is the EXACT SAME as the website you are supposed to download from (via Picroma) if there is an issue.
In other words, I already have something that the demo thinks I do not have and cannot be convinced otherwise. I've seen many threads in the forums of the exact same subject, though I do not know if they got the message across.
I think it would be helpful to update the demo to DirectX 11, which is what most people have now. I think the demo won't let you enter unless you have DirectX 9.0c, and nothing newer.
The tech demo of a game I intend to buy (Cube World) will not run. This was the second developer's response:
Hi,
this warning also appears often when you have an Intel Graphics Card.
We can not support integrated cards at the moment.
Best
Pixxie
I refuse to acknowledge the lie that tells me I can't run a demo simply because of my graphics card. Besides, it has nothing to do with the fact that I have DX11, which DX9 games (like the demo I'm trying to run) apparently do not support.
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This is why I've never bothered with PC gaming. You need a million add-ons, and by the time you get them, half of them are probably outdated.
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The problem with having a 2009 laptop/not changing the parts
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Yeah, I get what you're saying, but with a console you never have to replace anything really.
You just buy the new iteration every four years or so.
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The #1 thing I always say to people who want to game AT ALL on computers is "DO NOT GET INTEGRATED GRAPHICS". Every single game is a dice roll as to whether it will run, regardless of how supposedly powerful the card is. It's a shame that Cube World won't run on your computer, but there's nothing you can do to except upgrade to a dedicated graphics card (which is impossible if you have a laptop).
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The #1 thing I always say to people who want to game AT ALL on computers is "DO NOT GET INTEGRATED GRAPHICS". Every single game is a dice roll as to whether it will run, regardless of how supposedly powerful the card is. It's a shame that Cube World won't run on your computer, but there's nothing you can do to except upgrade to a dedicated graphics card (which is impossible if you have a laptop).
And the money from the job that I may or may not actually get is almost all going towards half of the cost for a trip to Chicago with my school's orchestra (totals $900).
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Yeah, it really sucks. Sorry about your circumstances, just wanted to make sure you don't waste any more effort trying to get the game running when it's not going to.
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Yeah, it really sucks. Sorry about your circumstances, just wanted to make sure you don't waste any more effort trying to get the game running when it's not going to.
Meh. It says on the website that integrated cards are not CURRENTLY supported.
There's a possible chance in the future, I guess, if the two of them (the only two people who work on the game) decide to upgrade the game to support DirectX 11.
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Perhaps, but sadly there's nothing you can do at the moment.
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Guys please don't get us locked before we hit 200 pages :'( We 're so close :coolio
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Ok. Pretty excited for that Dream Theater album. They're a cool band.
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Ok. Pretty excited for that Dream Theater album. They're a cool band.
Wrong temperature :blush
:neverusethis:
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I was kind of hoping that maybe because of the holiday there might be a slight possibility that perhaps there was a chance that we could have a tracklist/album artwork today
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They want us to suffer. It will make us stronger.
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I was kind of hoping that maybe because of the holiday there might be a slight possibility that perhaps there was a chance that we could have a tracklist/album artwork today
It's only a US holiday, so that doesn't really warrant an announcement.
Is there any kind of typical day they announce stuff? Maybe Monday? Then again, they haven't announced an announcement yet, so maybe a week after that. :lol
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I was kind of hoping that maybe because of the holiday there might be a slight possibility that perhaps there was a chance that we could have a tracklist/album artwork today
It's only a US holiday, so that doesn't really warrant an announcement.
Is there any kind of typical day they announce stuff? Maybe Monday? Then again, they haven't announced an announcement yet, so maybe a week after that. :lol
I just hope they have SOME sort of announcement before Monday, as I will be gone for almost a week in Branson, Missouri. I don't want to miss out on all the forum hype the instant it's released
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You guys will probably kill me to hear this, but I just listened to my first Porcupine Tree song all the way through.
It will rain for a million years....
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... You have done well, my son.
:daddy:
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Amazing song when it comes to pure ambient power.
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Tweet from Rich Chycki -
@chycki: Satisfaction! #dreamtheater https://t.co/yVkbIlIUU1
Quick! Use the CSI filter to rip the music off the CD!
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It won't work. Lens flare.
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Tweet from Rich Chycki -
@chycki: Satisfaction! #dreamtheater https://t.co/yVkbIlIUU1
Quick! Use the CSI filter to rip the music off the CD!
Don't be stupid.
It's the wrong side of the disc to do that.
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Does anyone know if there's a way to pre-order the new album>
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You guys will probably kill me to hear this, but I just listened to my first Porcupine Tree song all the way through.
It will rain for a million years....
Great song.
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Tweet from Rich Chycki -
@chycki: Satisfaction! #dreamtheater https://t.co/yVkbIlIUU1
Quick! Use the CSI filter to rip the music off the CD!
Don't be stupid.
It's the wrong side of the disc to do that.
Seriously Blob? Just flip the image horizontally in photoshop to get the other side of the disk. :facepalm:
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or, just turn your monitor around
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Does anyone know if there's a way to pre-order the new album>
The album was just finished and the tracklist hasn't been revealed anyway, so you can't preorder it yet.
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Tweet from Rich Chycki -
@chycki: Satisfaction! #dreamtheater https://t.co/yVkbIlIUU1
Quick! Use the CSI filter to rip the music off the CD!
Don't be stupid.
It's the wrong side of the disc to do that.
Seriously Blob? Just flip the image horizontally in photoshop to get the other side of the disk. :facepalm:
Aythesryche that's impossible.
You wouldn't get the other side of the disk, you'd only get a digital picture of it
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Tweet from Rich Chycki -
@chycki: Satisfaction! #dreamtheater https://t.co/yVkbIlIUU1
Quick! Use the CSI filter to rip the music off the CD!
Don't be stupid.
It's the wrong side of the disc to do that.
Seriously Blob? Just flip the image horizontally in photoshop to get the other side of the disk. :facepalm:
Aythesryche that's impossible.
You wouldn't get the other side of the disk, you'd only get a digital picture of it
Yeah well I'll just print it out then and glue it to a CD. I'll have the last laugh after I rock out to DTs new album. I'll be posting my review of it by tomorrow.
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Tweet from Rich Chycki -
@chycki: Satisfaction! #dreamtheater https://t.co/yVkbIlIUU1
Quick! Use the CSI filter to rip the music off the CD!
Don't be stupid.
It's the wrong side of the disc to do that.
I thought you was gonna say it's the wrong font.
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Tweet from Rich Chycki -
@chycki: Satisfaction! #dreamtheater https://t.co/yVkbIlIUU1
Quick! Use the CSI filter to rip the music off the CD!
Don't be stupid.
It's the wrong side of the disc to do that.
Seriously Blob? Just flip the image horizontally in photoshop to get the other side of the disk. :facepalm:
Aythesryche that's impossible.
You wouldn't get the other side of the disk, you'd only get a digital picture of it
Yeah well I'll just print it out then and glue it to a CD. I'll have the last laugh after I rock out to DTs new album. I'll be posting my review of it by tomorrow.
Using the flip function and CSI filter on the picture in photoshop to get a clear image of the back of the CD, printing it out and gluing it on a blank CD so that you can listen to the new DT album and review it tomorrow? That all sounds reasonable... except you know that Dream Theater songs are WAAYY too long for you to be able to finish the album by tomorrow..
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Tweet from Rich Chycki -
@chycki: Satisfaction! #dreamtheater https://t.co/yVkbIlIUU1
:rollin
:rollin
:lol
:|
:slowclap:
:facepalm:
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DTF: In egypt again!
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Quote pyramid crits you for 5000 HP.
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Quote pyramid crits you for 5000 HP.
Crits? :justjen
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Quote pyramid crits you for 5000 HP.
Crits? :justjen
Crit = a gaming term when you get a critical hit against an opponent, that deals more damage than a normal blow.
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Ah! I knew it couldn't be the slang for Hematocrit :rollin
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DTF: In egypt again!
Rise up, be counted! Stand strong and unite.
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Quote pyramid crits you for 5000 HP.
Crits? :justjen
Crit = a gaming term when you get a critical hit against an opponent, that deals more damage than a normal blow.
Or short for Critics. As in - The crits say this film is terrible !
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Quote pyramid crits you for 5000 HP.
Crits? :justjen
Crit = a gaming term when you get a critical hit against an opponent, that deals more damage than a normal blow.
I prefer "It's Super Effective!"
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Last time I checked, this is not, in fact, a chat thread.
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Last time I checked, this is not, in fact, a chat thread.
Say wha? This is how this thread has been for weeks.
(And I fucking hate it which is why I just lurk in disgust rather than post)
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I just saw this guy around the corner:
(https://www.cyberphreaking.com/Smileys/CP/lock.gif)
He seems very eager for something...
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Maybe if we stopped with empty posts about the thread being locked, it wouldn't be so clogged with empty posts that it would need locking!
Irony.
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Maybe if we stopped with empty posts about the thread being locked, it wouldn't be so clogged with empty posts that it would need locking!
Actually, no, it definitely still would.
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Maybe if we stopped with empty posts about the thread being locked, it wouldn't be so clogged with empty posts that it would need locking!
Actually, no, it definitely still would.
Posts like this add nothing, and only contribute to the problem, rather than helping. So how about that new Dream Theater album?
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The post you've taken issue with is actually one where I express to a forum admin that an issue is actually much bigger than what he's perceived. You're the one spamming by just playing armchair mod with me :biggrin:
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Shall we instead talk about the new album?
Here's a question to talk about: What colour do you think will be the main colour of the cover art?
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Yes, let's get back to actually discussing the new album!
While I don't at all think the purple thing we've seen is the cover art, I'm hoping it will be something along those lines. I like purple though, so maybe that's wishful thinking. :biggrin: It's probably just something someone whipped up as a promo image with no relation to what Hugh Syme is doing though.
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I think it would be really cool if on the tour instead of "This next song is from Dream Theater" or "This next song is from our self titled album", James says "This next song is from the Purple album" :metal
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While I don't particularly like the purple image thing, I think it would be really cool as a textured vinyl cover (like where the black is all one texture and when you run your fingers over the Majesty symbol it's smooth and shiny, or something like that)
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The purple image as it is now looks a little cheap to me, but I like the general idea. I would actually prefer something even more simplistic for a s/t, like a flat grey or white majesty symbol on a black background.
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The purple image as it is now looks a little cheap to me, but I like the general idea. I would actually prefer something even more simplistic for a s/t, like a flat grey or white majesty symbol on a black background.
Something like this?
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt_black_album.jpg)
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(https://i42.tinypic.com/23l8ad.jpg)
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:lol :clap:
What made that even funnier is that I had to take that into Photoshop to make out anything other than black, so that was a great surprise.
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(https://i42.tinypic.com/23l8ad.jpg)
:rollin
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The purple image as it is now looks a little cheap to me, but I like the general idea. I would actually prefer something even more simplistic for a s/t, like a flat grey or white majesty symbol on a black background.
Something like this?
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt_black_album.jpg)
Yeah something like that, only with the majesty symbol taking up more of the album cover and the "Dream Theater" being horizontal across the top.
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For the Deluxe box I'd like to see one like the BC&SL one, only this time in pure white with the Majesty logo in the middle (also in white but with different texture).
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Well, at least the double-album rumors have been killed.
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I just want SOMETHING to happen today
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Well, at least the double-album rumors have been killed.
Couldn't have both albums saved on one CD? (surely I am not talking about the version to be commercially released, I am talking about the one in Chicky's hand)
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Well, at least the double-album rumors have been killed.
Couldn't have both albums saved on one CD? (surely I am not talking about the version to be commercially released, I am talking about the one in Chicky's hand)
Possibly, but I highly doubt it. That could only be the case if the files on that disc are lower quality than WAV (which is highly unlikely).
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Well, at least the double-album rumors have been killed.
Couldn't have both albums saved on one CD? (surely I am not talking about the version to be commercially released, I am talking about the one in Chicky's hand)
Possibly, but I highly doubt it. That could only be the case if the files on that disc are lower quality than WAV (which is highly unlikely).
What about MP3 ?
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We pretty much know the album has 9 songs + intro, so I'd say double CD is already highly unlikely.
And before anyone points it out, while DT's one example of a double album was indeed only 6 songs, I'm pretty sure it would have been on the whiteboard in individual tracks/movements for the sake of recording, rather than as a 42 minute block.
Well, at least the double-album rumors have been killed.
Couldn't have both albums saved on one CD? (surely I am not talking about the version to be commercially released, I am talking about the one in Chicky's hand)
Possibly, but I highly doubt it. That could only be the case if the files on that disc are lower quality than WAV (which is highly unlikely).
What about MP3 ?
I think MP3 is exactly what he was referring to by "lower quality than WAV". If I was cranking DT's new album that I'd just spent so long being a part of, I'd be burning uncompressed!
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What about MP3 ?
MP3 is lesser quality than WAV.
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yeah i'd also agree that it is certainly not a double album. Roadrunner Records ain't got time fo dat (additional operating expenses for producing/purchasing double CD containers (at the very least to cater for 2 cds: design innovations would likely induce more costs), the risk that the investment in said packaging doesn't sell, and that "double album" doesn't mean as much now that we are in a predominately digital age. this is merely from a sales perspective. From a musical perspective, i'd be worried if there were 2 cds worth of music (i.e. 100 mins+ music) given the amount of time they spent writing/recording and mixing.
One is fun :metal
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And if it was a double album, it would probably already have been announced at the same time they announced the title and release date.
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Well, at least the double-album rumors have been killed.
Looks like you were too optimistic.
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I wonder if this album will suffer any because of Jordan's and James's solo projects. And isnt JP supposed to have one too? I hope that doesn't distract from Dream Theater.
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I wonder if this album will suffer any because of Jordan's and James's solo projects. And isnt JP supposed to have one too? I hope that doesn't distract from Dream Theater.
I'll be disappointed if Jordan's solo project is more interesting than his contributions to DT, but so far that has never been the case :P
James doesn't do any writing for his "solo" project except for some lyrics. He was in the studio with the guys this time around so I'm sure he was involved.
Who knows what John has in mind for his solo project. Beneath the Surface was origianlly going to be a JP solo thing but he decided to throw it on DT. I personally don't think JP needs solo records. Everyone acknowledges at this point that he is the main writer and driving force of DT. There should be no reason why he can't do anything he wants with DT.
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I wonder if this album will suffer any because of Jordan's and James's solo projects. And isnt JP supposed to have one too? I hope that doesn't distract from Dream Theater.
I doubt it.
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I wonder if this album will suffer any because of Jordan's and James's solo projects. And isnt JP supposed to have one too? I hope that doesn't distract from Dream Theater.
Almost unthinkable.
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Well, at least the double-album rumors have been killed.
Looks like you were too optimistic.
:huh: I've never stated anywhere that I was expecting a double-album, I just noticed that others have.
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I wonder if this album will suffer any because of Jordan's and James's solo projects. And isnt JP supposed to have one too? I hope that doesn't distract from Dream Theater.
Almost unthinkable.
Agreed. DT solo and side projects usually have their unique flavors and styles. Doing something outside the usual context is not only a rewarding thing to do but it also leads to an inspirational feedback loop from project to project that should work in favour of both the main and the solo/side project's diversity and quality. Obviously this can also be exaggerated beyond a certain point where it can only lead to burnout and exhaustion. You may ask MP about that problem. ;)
Greetings...
Nef
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Well, at least the double-album rumors have been killed.
Looks like you were too optimistic.
:huh: I've never stated anywhere that I was expecting a double-album, I just noticed that others have.
What I meant is you were too optimistic in thinking that the rumors had been killed. Guess that I have been misunderstood.
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I wonder if this album will suffer any because of Jordan's and James's solo projects. And isnt JP supposed to have one too? I hope that doesn't distract from Dream Theater.
I'll be disappointed if Jordan's solo project is more interesting than his contributions to DT, but so far that has never been the case :P
James doesn't do any writing for his "solo" project except for some lyrics. He was in the studio with the guys this time around so I'm sure he was involved.
Who knows what John has in mind for his solo project. Beneath the Surface was origianlly going to be a JP solo thing but he decided to throw it on DT. I personally don't think JP needs solo records. Everyone acknowledges at this point that he is the main writer and driving force of DT. There should be no reason why he can't do anything he wants with DT.
Well no, he does come up with riffs and melodies (not just vocal) and also changes Guillory's ideas and work on the arrangement of the songs. Sure Matt does writes most of the stuff, but JLB does a lot as well. At least that's what both of them have said to various interviews.
Also on a general note, none of DT's members has ever payed more attention to a solo project than to DT. JP is the perfect example. He has had so many opportunities to release a second record and never does it because there is always something going on with DT. Even now that he has written some new songs for G3 (and as he said there are more) he is committed to DT.
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So according to @rrusa, the album cover will be here next week!!
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So according to @rrusa, the album cover will be here next week!!
And tracklist.
By next week please mean sunday or monday lol
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So according to @rrusa, the album cover will be here next week!!
Where is this information?? I don't see it on Twitter or FB. ???
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Their latest post on twitter (about a band signed to RR with a new album) and theres loads of replies to which theyve tweeted "how does next week sound for you?" :metal
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So according to @rrusa, the album cover will be here next week!!
Where is this information?? I don't see it on Twitter or FB. ???
(https://i40.tinypic.com/ok7k7p.jpg)
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:panicattack:
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:panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack:
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:partyinpartyinyeah:
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Finally some confirmation for SOMETHING.
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This is worse than being a kid at Christmas.....lol. ;D
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Christmas comes every year. Dream Theater albums are somewhat more rare.
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Finally some confirmation for SOMETHING.
(https://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c250/Sndtrkman/1281017815_iyk3ep.gif)
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So according to @rrusa, the album cover will be here next week!!
Where is this information?? I don't see it on Twitter or FB. ???
(https://i40.tinypic.com/ok7k7p.jpg)
(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/e/ezweb_ne_jp.050)
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:panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack: :panicattack:
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Finally some confirmation for SOMETHING.
You call that a confirmation? It's a question! :P
And about those last few pages:
As much as I like making a big fuzz about nothing I think this "omg, omg, I need info, hype hype" is getting really old really fast. I mean really! It should be safe to assume there'll be bits and pieces of information and previews that will be made available between now and release. And if there actually is something new I'll be among those jumping at that poor little bit of news like a kitten on speed trampolining a half dead mouse again and again until it's goo. Damn, no emoticon for that ;D! But posting an exaggerated craving for updates which will be revealed anyway... I could do without that.
Yep, I'm looking forward to it and yep, I'm curious. But I don't need a fix every few minutes.
We've got a forum of speculations for that fix, don't we?
Greetings...
Nef
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Agreed.
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Doubly agreed.
This thread is an embarassment to DT fandom, in my opinion. We were always known for being really loyal, passionate fans. Not brattish junkies who NEED to know NOW :P
This whole thread is remining me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTkCHE1sS4
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Back to the cover speculation - I think we need another album cover based on the color white. Something a lot brighter this time.
Although this is what I really think it'll be: Just the majesty symbol, but with a lot of great detail around it. Example: A majesty symbol made out of stone, with vines/roots coming out of it.
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Back to the cover speculation - I think we need another album cover based on the color white. Something a lot brighter this time.
Although this is what I really think it'll be: Just the majesty symbol, but with a lot of great detail around it. Example: A majesty symbol made out of stone, with vines/roots coming out of it.
This would be sweet. Sorta like Whitesnake '87. Though honestly, I think the artwork has UNOFFICIALLY been revealed already. Purple majesty symbol on the DT FB page. We will find out sometime next week.
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I'm sure it has been discussed within the thread, but I am not brave enough to dig through every page to find out:
Do you think there will be an epic (for the sake of this discussion, epic = 15+ minute song) on DT12?
I believe there will be, as it has been said multiple times how this record is an embodiment of Dream Theater, and DT is known for their epic, lengthy songs.
I also believe that the Evening With concerts provide more evidence, as a lengthier concert means a reasonable amount of time to throw in a loooooong song or two (could just be 8VM or ACOS, or neither!).
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Back to the cover speculation - I think we need another album cover based on the color white. Something a lot brighter this time.
Although this is what I really think it'll be: Just the majesty symbol, but with a lot of great detail around it. Example: A majesty symbol made out of stone, with vines/roots coming out of it.
This would be sweet. Sorta like Whitesnake '87. Though honestly, I think the artwork has UNOFFICIALLY been revealed already. Purple majesty symbol on the DT FB page. We will find out sometime next week.
And in the red corner, I'm going to put £20 on "It definitely hasn't!"
They'd never announce it without hubbub; it's, frankly, a fairly low quality image; and "I've seen that one, too" isn't really how you'd emphasise that sentence if everyone else had also seen it. "We're revealing it next week" wouldn't make that much sense, either. I'm never certain, cos nothing's ever certain, but I'm... approaching certain. The difference between what I am, and certain, is negligible.
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The difference between what I am, and certain, is negligible.
(https://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/keanu%20whoa%202012.jpg)
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lol it's funny how some people go nuts about information about the album. But ultimately, the album is going to be released on a certain date that is know to us. Is knowing the artwork and the track titles really going to change the musical content or the release date? or more so in the case of the last couple of pages: is a partially/wholly indecipherable/inconclusive announcement of an announcement really going to make the album come any faster, or even worthy of extensive speculation?
I know it's fun to speculate, and it's exciting times for Dream Theater, but calm yourself! take a deep breath, and have some patience! it's exciting times to be a DT fan, but remember: there are other bands that aren't Dream Theater and Hakan. Do something more constructive than hankering at the DT/RR PR crew about album info. Do some musical exploration in the mean time! there are so many cool artists out there releasing EPs and LPs that you could be checking out rather than spamming <java: while x < 9000 { image.::excitedwailingarmsofhype::.gif x++} AND position = clocktimer etc etc etc. //html>>
The difference between what I am, and certain, is negligible.
(https://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/keanu%20whoa%202012.jpg)
haha yes this!
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lol it's funny how some people go nuts about information about the album. But ultimately, the album is going to be released on a certain date that is know to us. Is knowing the artwork and the track titles really going to change the musical content or the release date?
No, but it will change our opinions about the artwork and the track titles. Which are both interesting things - one of them is pretty much the first creative statement this album will make.
Besides - last time, the artwork was released at the same time as the first single, so... it might change the release date of the musical content, yeah!
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lol it's funny how some people go nuts about information about the album. But ultimately, the album is going to be released on a certain date that is know to us. Is knowing the artwork and the track titles really going to change the musical content or the release date?
No, but it will change our opinions about the artwork and the track titles. Which are both interesting things - one of them is pretty much the first creative statement this album will make.
Besides - last time, the artwork was released at the same time as the first single, so... it might change the release date of the musical content, yeah!
:iagree:
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Back to the cover speculation - I think we need another album cover based on the color white. Something a lot brighter this time.
Although this is what I really think it'll be: Just the majesty symbol, but with a lot of great detail around it. Example: A majesty symbol made out of stone, with vines/roots coming out of it.
This would be sweet. Sorta like Whitesnake '87. Though honestly, I think the artwork has UNOFFICIALLY been revealed already. Purple majesty symbol on the DT FB page. We will find out sometime next week.
And in the red corner, I'm going to put £20 on "It definitely hasn't!"
They'd never announce it without hubbub; it's, frankly, a fairly low quality image; and "I've seen that one, too" isn't really how you'd emphasise that sentence if everyone else had also seen it. "We're revealing it next week" wouldn't make that much sense, either. I'm never certain, cos nothing's ever certain, but I'm... approaching certain. The difference between what I am, and certain, is negligible.
I"ll go with this too. I'm just speculating that the FB page Majesty logo could be it, hence the UNOFFICIAL... I don't know what it's gonna be anymore than anyone who's not Rich Chycki or a member of the band.
Next week, we should know. It's Friday, so next week is only a couple days away.
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lol it's funny how some people go nuts about information about the album. But ultimately, the album is going to be released on a certain date that is know to us. Is knowing the artwork and the track titles really going to change the musical content or the release date?
No, but it will change our opinions about the artwork and the track titles. Which are both interesting things - one of them is pretty much the first creative statement this album will make.
absolutely, although I meant it in the context of that entire paragraph: an uncertain announcement of an announcement is NOT going to change opinions about the album. But yes track titles and lengths aught to warrant speculation and some excitement.
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I personally don't think JP needs solo records. Everyone acknowledges at this point that he is the main writer and driving force of DT. There should be no reason why he can't do anything he wants with DT.
He does solo records, and writes solo material so he can participate in the G3 tours. I think that's a totally valid, and really cool reason. :)
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Okay now let's have a page and a half of "seriously guys stop with the unwarranted hype" posts :biggrin:
Seriously though, imagine if the single, artwork and tracklist came out this very moment. You'd be satisfied now, but with two and a half months left to release date, that would be two and a half months of silence because there would be nothing more to build hype with except interviews, and only we read those. They can't possibly release new info every week when there's a three month gap between mastering the album and the release date!
Seriously, for most bands I listen to, it goes something like this: first they say "we'll probably have an album out this year", and it's often not the two-year schedule DT adheres to; then there's several months of total silence, then there's "we're in the studio and writing", then there's a couple months silence (maaaaaaybe a couple studio pics; certainly not Twitter feeds from 3/5 members and a producer, in-studio docus from which you can decipher a full MIDI line and lyrics!), then the artwork and the tracklist come, then one or more tracks from the album come a few weeks after.
I'd argue we're not in a bad situation though; firstly, it's not the entire fandom, just five or six people on one thread in the forum, and the wait for the DVD has worn us out anyway so we have a right to ramble about this every now and then :lol if nothing, the thread has become a half-parody of nerdy DT fans, but we parody ourselves because we have nothing better to do atm. It's not a COMPLETE farce.
/Milena retreats to Cave
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To be honest, I forgot all about the DVD until you posted that, Milena! :lol
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To be honest, I forgot all about the DVD until you posted that, Milena! :lol
OH GOD NOW I'M GETTING VIETNAM FLASHBACKS
But yeah, we're a very spoiled fanbase. We should learn to be a little less demanding about new information. :P
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As always, I agree with everything that Rob and
lady-Rob Milena have said.
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There's a DVD coming out, too?! :omg:
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Rob and lady-Rob Milena
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Oh what's with you Riches praising my posts lately :rollin
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The next Rich to praise you could either be Chycki or Wilson, you choose :D
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Or Richard Armitage *swoons*
2 cents on the cover art: when people said DT12 could be self-titled, I said "eh I don't think so", so I'm not sure how to feel about the probability of the cover being based on the purple Majesty image :lol
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I'll try to squeeze some album info out of Jordan next week when I see him at NAMM
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Oh what's with you Riches praising my posts lately :rollin
:lol
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*a great post*
All of this. During the recording of the new album DT have used social media and given little updates much more actively than most bands I'm a fan of.
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Concerning the "too much hype..", "it's embarassing.." kinda posts, I think it's completely ok that some of us are going nuts with the anticipation. Of course spamming RR's or OTE's social media accounts is all kinds of wrong (rude and too needy), but noone can tell us to not be as hyped as possible or to listen to other bands for a while etc. Your intentions are surely the best, but as you can't judge one's taste you also can't judge its broadness. Some of us enjoy DT"s music incomparably more to that of other artists. That may seem kind of sad, but hey, this is the Dream Theater Forum! I for one check out this forum frequently and thoroughly just because of the little extra bits of info regarding DT news that can only be found here. Also stuff like the midi transcription or pics of lyrics and all that, I don't know, it's like Christmas for me when I see such stuff posted.
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I would be very pleased if the purple Majesty logo became the album cover. Bold, simple, and understated (in contrast to many other DT covers).
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I would be very pleased if the purple Majesty logo became the album cover. Bold, simple, and understated (in contrast to many other DT covers).
Plus I wouldn't have to change the wallpaper on my phone. :biggrin:
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As far as I'm concerned, the cover could be a four year old's stick figure drawing with Dream Theater written in crayon on the front. As long as the music inside is good, I'll be a happy guy.
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As far as I'm concerned, the cover could be a four year old's stick figure drawing with Dream Theater written in crayon on the front. As long as the music inside is good, I'll be a happy guy.
plus the correct font
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As far as I'm concerned, the cover could be a four year old's stick figure drawing with Dream Theater written in crayon on the front. As long as the music inside is good, I'll be a happy guy.
plus the correct font
Hmmm, you know, the DT font in Crayon might be an interesting look...
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I would be very pleased if the purple Majesty logo became the album cover. Bold, simple, and understated (in contrast to many other DT covers).
:tup I think it's just right for a S/T album. Logo and font. Done.
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Concerning the "too much hype..", "it's embarassing.." kinda posts, I think it's completely ok that some of us are going nuts with the anticipation. Of course spamming RR's or OTE's social media accounts is all kinds of wrong (rude and too needy), but noone can tell us to not be as hyped as possible or to listen to other bands for a while etc. Your intentions are surely the best, but as you can't judge one's taste you also can't judge its broadness. Some of us enjoy DT"s music incomparably more to that of other artists. That may seem kind of sad, but hey, this is the Dream Theater Forum! I for one check out this forum frequently and thoroughly just because of the little extra bits of info regarding DT news that can only be found here. Also stuff like the midi transcription or pics of lyrics and all that, I don't know, it's like Christmas for me when I see such stuff posted.
:tup Exactly this.
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Concerning the "too much hype..", "it's embarassing.." kinda posts, I think it's completely ok that some of us are going nuts with the anticipation. Of course spamming RR's or OTE's social media accounts is all kinds of wrong (rude and too needy), but noone can tell us to not be as hyped as possible or to listen to other bands for a while etc. Your intentions are surely the best, but as you can't judge one's taste you also can't judge its broadness. Some of us enjoy DT"s music incomparably more to that of other artists. That may seem kind of sad, but hey, this is the Dream Theater Forum! I for one check out this forum frequently and thoroughly just because of the little extra bits of info regarding DT news that can only be found here. Also stuff like the midi transcription or pics of lyrics and all that, I don't know, it's like Christmas for me when I see such stuff posted.
I agree with all of this. I will say that I only meant to suggest checking out other bands, although my execution was a bit douchy lol. Maybe i'm just jealous I don't have that level of excitement alot of people have for this upcoming record, which I have had for the last couple of releases. Honestly the best part of being a DT fan is the impending release of musical awesomeness by the band, and it's clear why the excitement is hard to contain.
anyway. I'm thinking the cover will simply be the logo. Drop the "dream theater"... it's cooler...
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anyway. I'm thinking the cover will simply be the logo. Drop the "dream theater"... it's cooler...
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Concerning the "too much hype..", "it's embarassing.." kinda posts, I think it's completely ok that some of us are going nuts with the anticipation. Of course spamming RR's or OTE's social media accounts is all kinds of wrong (rude and too needy), but noone can tell us to not be as hyped as possible or to listen to other bands for a while etc. Your intentions are surely the best, but as you can't judge one's taste you also can't judge its broadness. Some of us enjoy DT"s music incomparably more to that of other artists. That may seem kind of sad, but hey, this is the Dream Theater Forum! I for one check out this forum frequently and thoroughly just because of the little extra bits of info regarding DT news that can only be found here. Also stuff like the midi transcription or pics of lyrics and all that, I don't know, it's like Christmas for me when I see such stuff posted.
I agree with all of this. I will say that I only meant to suggest checking out other bands, although my execution was a bit douchy lol. Maybe i'm just jealous I don't have that level of excitement alot of people have for this upcoming record, which I have had for the last couple of releases. Honestly the best part of being a DT fan is the impending release of musical awesomeness by the band, and it's clear why the excitement is hard to contain.
anyway. I'm thinking the cover will simply be the logo. Drop the "dream theater"... it's cooler...
They may as well put a sticker on the front that says "contains 100% prog pretentiousness!" Leaving a band name off an album cover is a horrible idea. It's already bad enough they'll be leaving the album name off it. :neverusethis:
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Yeah, I believe that leaving off the band name could somewhat backfire economically, as the album wouldn't jump to the eye of the average distracted casual fan when going through the selves of a record store.
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I agree. I think DT is big enough that it would be a vitally bad marketing decision. It's like a DVD case that doesn't have the name of the movie on it.
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I love that everybody on DTF's panties are in a bind. I am as anxious as anybody here but to read some people's post makes me feel sane. :lol
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They may as well put a sticker on the front that says "contains 100% prog pretentiousness!" Leaving a band name off an album cover is a horrible idea. It's already bad enough they'll be leaving the album name off it. :neverusethis:
I disagree, as I think that it would be the opposite of pretension given they have been around 20+ years, and also think that it would in fact be intriguing/eye catching to the guy in the music store. Heck, they've already gone ahead with the self titled thing, I can totally see them doing something like having only the logo on the cover. If they're gonna make a statement they might as well go all out on it.
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I love that everybody on DTF's panties are in a bind. I am as anxious as anybody here but to read some people's post makes me feel sane. :lol
Yeah, I mean, I am extremely excited about info for the new release, but some of the posts here sound like my youngest daughter when we're on vacation.
If any of you are 10-year old girls, I of course mean no disrespect.
j/k
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:lol
It's like a caddy girl fight here hef. Everybody defends something. I'll wait until the album is out and then I'll gush like a teenage girl. :lol
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I'll wait until the album is out and then I'll gush like a teenage girl.
:tup * 9001
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I would imagine that many of the people we are discussing are much younger than us, or relatively recent DT converts, or both.
I've been a huge fan since I&W, and now I'm married with two kids. I've got too much going on in my life to act like a new album is Christmas, even an album from my favorite band. It's all about perspective.
Now give us some damn info.
Of course, our real work as mods won't kick into high gear until the album leaks, a month or so the release date. That's when we have to start kicking ass.
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I was just thinking the same thing. As a kid, I'd wait listening to radio stations just to tape a new song from my favorite band for hours on end. Now my life is so much busier and those fan boy days are gone. Though, the internet now makes it a click of the mouse to listen to a new song over and over or to read info in a hot minute.
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They may as well put a sticker on the front that says "contains 100% prog pretentiousness!" Leaving a band name off an album cover is a horrible idea. It's already bad enough they'll be leaving the album name off it. :neverusethis:
I disagree, as I think that it would be the opposite of pretension given they have been around 20+ years, and also think that it would in fact be intriguing/eye catching to the guy in the music store. Heck, they've already gone ahead with the self titled thing, I can totally see them doing something like having only the logo on the cover. If they're gonna make a statement they might as well go all out on it.
Leaving a band name off your album is basically the definition of pretension. :lol
The average person will not give a second look to an album cover with just a logo on it and no band or album title. The only people buying DT albums are DT fans, and all you're doing is making it that little bit harder for them to spot and identify. And it would complete a double cliche with the whole S/T thing too.
Stick your band name and album title on an album cover. It's common sense, not rocket science! :lol
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Kanye West's Yeezus must be the most pretentious album ever !
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They may as well put a sticker on the front that says "contains 100% prog pretentiousness!" Leaving a band name off an album cover is a horrible idea. It's already bad enough they'll be leaving the album name off it. :neverusethis:
I disagree, as I think that it would be the opposite of pretension given they have been around 20+ years, and also think that it would in fact be intriguing/eye catching to the guy in the music store. Heck, they've already gone ahead with the self titled thing, I can totally see them doing something like having only the logo on the cover. If they're gonna make a statement they might as well go all out on it.
Leaving a band name off your album is basically the definition of pretension. :lol
The average person will not give a second look to an album cover with just a logo on it and no band or album title. The only people buying DT albums are DT fans, and all you're doing is making it that little bit harder for them to spot and identify. And it would complete a double cliche with the whole S/T thing too.
Stick your band name and album title on an album cover. It's common sense, not rocket science! :lol
lol you state your claims as absolute fact. I mean, I am living proof that it's true that someone would at least pay attention to a logo only title (given it's a good looking and/or eye catching cover). Actually a lot of bands don't have either on the front cover, and still receive a decent amount of new listener-ship (consider some examples: Exai- Autechture, Fade- Cloudkicker, godspeed you black emperor: raise you're skinny fists, shrines- purity ring, uneven structure - 8 (reworked)....... "stick your band name and album title on an album cover. It's common sense"?). I mean, it's pretentious in the sense that it's a bit pompous, but hardly so in comparison with some covers we are seeing in this day and age. I think it would be fine :D although then again i don't give a toss about album covers anyway... and i'd put forward that a decent amount of people who WILL buy the album don't care, and that, the cover on its own, is only of marginal importance given the way that people discover music through social media, forums, youtube etc.
I do agree on the double cliche with the S/T thing though lol, which kind of makes me HOPE it will be just their logo on the front :lol
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I have not heard of a single one of those bands that you cite as examples of bands that have a decent amount of listeners, so I don't think you're helping your cause one bit. :lol I stick by my comments 100%.
I know DT isn't the biggest band in the world by any stretch, but it would just be such an awful decision for a band that doesn't flip burgers during the day to not even put the band name on the album. Only on a prog forum would this even need to be explained. WTF, guys!
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Kanye West's Yeezus must be the most pretentious album ever !
Well, of course it is! It's Kanye West. And yes, removing the packaging altogether is such a ridiculous ~artistic statement~.
That said, leaving the title off is pretty normal nowadays - 'fraid I disagree with Blob on this one! Looks classier without a title. As you say, the main audience for a DT album is a DT fan... and I can't think there are going to be many DT fans who won't know what the album looks like! Especially if it's a big purple majesty emblem yawning up at you (which it isn't, but that seems to be part of the alternate reality we're proposing where there's no DT logo). I know I'm a huge proponent of the many forms of the casual Dream Theater fan, and keeping in mind that this website isn't the first and last word in loving DT, but DT's core audience is rather more on the pulse than most bands'. They have to be, what with the lack of any kind of mainstream promotion.
Quite beyond that, though, many CDs with no title on the artwork also pop a sticker on the jewel case , and above that... they'd be dead easy to find in music shops, cos they'll have a big divider that says "DREAM THEATER."
In fact, I posted this in the chat thread the other week --
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That's doubly clear.
I do think it would be kind of a mixed message to leave the logo off a self-titled album, though. If the statement is meant to be a bold, defiant, "THIS AM DREAM THEATER," that's a statement worth incorporating into the pretty picture at the top of the album. "This is our self-titled, untitled album." What!?
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I have not heard of a single one of those bands that you cite as examples of bands that have a decent amount of listeners, so I don't think you're helping your cause one bit. :lol I stick by my comments 100%.
You haven't at least heard of Godspeed You! Black Emperor?
not only are they far from being some hipster band, but I'd absolutely suggest checking that album out!
edit: an even better example (sigur ros: Kveikur)
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Albums should always have the band name. Otherwise, they compromise the aesthetic integrity of my collection.
And we don't want that.
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I have not heard of a single one of those bands that you cite as examples of bands that have a decent amount of listeners, so I don't think you're helping your cause one bit. :lol I stick by my comments 100%.
You haven't at least heard of Godspeed You! Black Emperor?
not only are they far from being some hipster band, but I'd absolutely suggest checking that album out!
In fairness, GY!BE is... pretty much the definition of the word pretentious! I think superfluous grammar is one of the clearest beacons that a band has decided it's going to be oh-so incredibly artful. They're exactly some hipster band.
I think Dark Side of the Moon is probably the best argument in favour of leaving a title off some album covers. How shit would that look with "PINK FLOYD" scratched across it in big letters? And it, er... didn't exactly hurt its sales figures. Even pre-internet.
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The words " Dream Theater " will definitely be on the cover.
Doubly so since it's self titled !
It's the name of the band AND the album !
Why *not* name an album if you're not gonna tell anyone what it is !!
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I have not heard of a single one of those bands that you cite as examples of bands that have a decent amount of listeners, so I don't think you're helping your cause one bit. :lol I stick by my comments 100%.
You haven't at least heard of Godspeed You! Black Emperor?
not only are they far from being some hipster band, but I'd absolutely suggest checking that album out!
Actually yes, but I've only ever seen them mentioned on DTF. Even a glance at the wikipedia page tells me we are speaking completely different languages in this conversation.
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I have not heard of a single one of those bands that you cite as examples of bands that have a decent amount of listeners, so I don't think you're helping your cause one bit. :lol I stick by my comments 100%.
You haven't at least heard of Godspeed You! Black Emperor?
not only are they far from being some hipster band, but I'd absolutely suggest checking that album out!
In fairness, GY!BE is... pretty much the definition of the word pretentious! I think superfluous grammar is one of the clearest beacons that a band has decided it's going to be oh-so incredibly artful. They're exactly some hipster band.
I think Dark Side of the Moon is probably the best argument in favour of leaving a title off some album covers. How shit would that look with "PINK FLOYD" scratched across it in big letters? And it, er... didn't exactly hurt its sales figures. Even pre-internet.
in relation to you're GY!BE: a subjective assertion, and I disagree, however I think what is defined as pretentious is outside the scope of this thread, so i'm not going down that road and we aught to digress...
Dark side of the moon: yes!
I have not heard of a single one of those bands that you cite as examples of bands that have a decent amount of listeners, so I don't think you're helping your cause one bit. :lol I stick by my comments 100%.
You haven't at least heard of Godspeed You! Black Emperor?
not only are they far from being some hipster band, but I'd absolutely suggest checking that album out!
Actually yes, but I've only ever seen them mentioned on DTF. Even a glance at the wikipedia page tells me we are speaking completely different languages in this conversation.
I think we are in totally different places :lol
I think the point was you stated that having you're band and album names on the cover is absolutely essential and there's no questioning that. I'm putting forward that that is simply not the case.
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Your arguments have actually convinced me more of being right. Sorry. :lol I can only agree to disagree here, because I have nothing nice to say if I continue.
If Godspeed You Etc doesn't ring alarm bells of pretentiousness, I honestly don't know what else would. And I don't think I want to know.
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in relation to you're GY!BE: a subjective assertion, and I disagree, however I think what is defined as pretentious is outside the scope of this thread, so i'm not going down that road and we aught to digress...
Absolutely! Sorry if it didn't come across that way, but yeah, not an authority, don't claim to be the last word on anything. Just... my last word. I'd say that GY!BE are pretty much the exact and polar opposite of a down-to-earth group of musicians who just like playing cool music. Likewise, Sigur Ros invented a nonsense language for their album, which is umpteen times more pretentious, in my book, than playing a weedly guitar solo for a couple of minutes. So, like Blob, I fear I'm probably speaking a different language to you on that particular front. Which is absolutely fine! Good, plenty of opinions! I'm not wrong, I'm not right - but at the same time, I just don't see those bands as more grounded than DT in any way, so I'm not 100% sure they're the best comparison in this particular case.
Or to put it another way, only one of us is fluent in Hopelandic. q:
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*comes in*
*looks around*
Logo and no band name = pretentious. The name Dream Theater is well known. Mostly only DT fans know the Majesty symbol. T'would be a really short sighted move, IMO.
*leaves for vacation and won't see your argument*
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Your arguments have actually convinced me more of being right. Sorry. :lol I can only agree to disagree here, because I have nothing nice to say if I continue.
If Godspeed You Etc doesn't ring alarm bells of pretentiousness, I honestly don't know what else would. And I don't think I want to know.
Okay, I think i'm with you (and Rob) now, and this has gone WAY out of hand, and this will be the LAST I will say about this.
Firstly, I never said that GY!BE is not a pretentious band. Despite the fact they are considered incredibly pretentious, they ARE celebrated for the musical content and performances they have put on, and are one of the most celebrated post-rock bands. You need only read reviews to see that people LOVE THE MUSIC despite how "pretentious" they are or come across (for example: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=6180). The same for Sigur ros.
They were merely some randomly selected artists who have put out albums with essentially nothing on the cover, BUT are still considered MUSICALLY successful albums. They attract new listeners due to the musical content they produce, which is MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE to how pretentious or financially successful they are.
in relation to you're GY!BE: a subjective assertion, and I disagree, however I think what is defined as pretentious is outside the scope of this thread, so i'm not going down that road and we aught to digress...
Absolutely! Sorry if it didn't come across that way, but yeah, not an authority, don't claim to be the last word on anything. Just... my last word. I'd say that GY!BE are pretty much the exact and polar opposite of a down-to-earth group of musicians who just like playing cool music. Likewise, Sigur Ros invented a nonsense language for their album, which is umpteen times more pretentious, in my book, than playing a weedly guitar solo for a couple of minutes. So, like Blob, I fear I'm probably speaking a different language to you on that particular front. Which is absolutely fine! Good, plenty of opinions! I'm not wrong, I'm not right - but at the same time, I just don't see those bands as more grounded than DT in any way, so I'm not 100% sure they're the best comparison in this particular case.
Or to put it another way, only one of us is fluent in Hopelandic. q:
It ultimately comes down to ones opinion. I will say that being "more grounded" is another ambiguous and sweeping statement that will mean something to different people, but that's cool. and no apparently they weren't the best examples considering this train wreck of a tangent :facepalm:, they were merely an example to show that having your title (band/album) on the cover is not essential. OK DONE! MOVING ON PLZ
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atmyne, we're on different wavelengths here, so I'm fine to leave it too. :tup
And I'm sorry if I came across as a jerk with my opinions. It's nothing personal. I'm a jerk to everyone.
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I'd say you are just old fashioned Blob. Old School!
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To find some less... pretentious examples, of album covers without titles on them.
Coldplay are probably a good example, considering they're often derided as one of the least cool, blandest bands in pop, but they've only put their band's name on one of five album covers. And the one with their band name on looks, in a word, rubbish. Arctic Monkeys, too, are fairly standard indie rock, and they've released covers without their name on it. Red Hot Chili Peppers' image is, basically, surfer beach-bum, but their name, while present on I'm With You, is almost invisible. Daft Punk are pure fun, and their latest album doesn't have their name on it.
I don't think it's innately pretentious or unpretentious. It's just a matter of how it's done.
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I think all those albums are significantly more striking, artwise, than any DT album that's been released in the same time-frame, they're all from blockbuster bands who target the casual radio listener far more than Dream Theater's ever endeavoured to, and it's fair to say the lack of a visible title didn't hurt a single one of them.
I don't think it'd be sensible for DT12 to remove the logo, but that's only cos it's self-titled. Ask me again in two years, and I'll think it'd be a-okay.
ETA: Oh! We're leaving it behind, now? All right, then!
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They should just write "DT12", and below, in a very very very small font: "Here you go, DTF".
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Imagine if we were credited for inspiration in the liner notes :D
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They should just write "DT12", and below, in a very very very small font: "Here you go, DTF".
Heh...or DTXII
I don't see a no name cover as pretentious, the logo is for the real fans, and a sticker on the outer plastic with the band's name on it to identify it.
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I'm sorry but WTF is a Godspeed black emperor?
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atmyne, we're on different wavelengths here, so I'm fine to leave it too. :tup
And I'm sorry if I came across as a jerk with my opinions. It's nothing personal. I'm a jerk to everyone.
All good brother. You didn't come across as a jerk
ETA: Oh! We're leaving it behind, now? All right, then!
Great examples! I mean I'm no senior member or mod here, but I feel like the topic(s) almost should be its own thread in a non-DT related section? It seems like we're cluttering the thread up with this "what is and isn't pretentious" and "to what extent is pretentiousness acceptable" topic. But that's just me. I think DT could totally pull off just the logo. Some people think not. I don't think the cover matters very much at all. Some people think it's a part of the package and that it's important. I guess we won't know until it's revealed...
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I'm sorry but WTF is a Godspeed black emperor?
A band Tim you old metallhead. :lol
I do the same thing. :lol
And it's Godspeed You! Black Emperor.
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That was a lot to read.
You guys post a LOT overnight.
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let alone in the course of a week. That's what I had to read earlier today :lol
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You're saying it like it's som sort of obligation. ;D
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You're saying it like it's som sort of obligation. ;D
You mean it isn't? :omg:
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Of course it is.
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Heh, it's like "art? tracklist? no. (next page) art? tracklist? no. (next page)" etc.
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Heh, it's like "art? tracklist? no. (next page) art? tracklist? no. (next page)" etc.
I actually read all the posts. However, between next Monday and the Sunday after, I won't have any internet or ability to read the posts.
I just realized how much I won't be able to wait to get home after the trip. I'm going to run through my door, run up to my computer, turn it on, run back downstairs, eat a plum and or a nectarine, then run upstairs, and check the facebook accounts for DT and RR, then the twitter accounts for both, then the DT website, then here.
If there is a single released next week at the same time as the tracklist/album artwork (which would make sense) I'm probably going to cry. And listen to the song about a million times.
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Dude, enjoy your trip. I live me some DT but dang, its summer!!
Also just because you may miss the initial reveal doesnt mean you need to cry!!
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Also just because you may miss the initial reveal doesnt mean you need to cry!!
Duh, it's not like they're gonna take it off the internet ten minutes after the reveal.
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Heh, it's like "art? tracklist? no. (next page) art? tracklist? no. (next page)" etc.
I actually read all the posts. However, between next Monday and the Sunday after, I won't have any internet or ability to read the posts.
I just realized how much I won't be able to wait to get home after the trip. I'm going to run through my door, run up to my computer, turn it on, run back downstairs, eat a plum and or a nectarine, then run upstairs, and check the facebook accounts for DT and RR, then the twitter accounts for both, then the DT website, then here. And there still won't be any news!
Fixed.
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Dude, enjoy your trip. I live me some DT but dang, its summer!!
Also just because you may miss the initial reveal doesnt mean you need to cry!!
I meant cry in a good way if I find it lol
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Heh, it's like "art? tracklist? no. (next page) art? tracklist? no. (next page)" etc.
I actually read all the posts. However, between next Monday and the Sunday after, I won't have any internet or ability to read the posts.
I just realized how much I won't be able to wait to get home after the trip. I'm going to run through my door, run up to my computer, turn it on, run back downstairs, eat a plum and or a nectarine, then run upstairs, and check the facebook accounts for DT and RR, then the twitter accounts for both, then the DT website, then here.
If there is a single released next week at the same time as the tracklist/album artwork (which would make sense) I'm probably going to cry. And listen to the song about a million times.
You check here last? I check here first. Mostly because the news will likely be caught by someone before me, so I come here and enjoy the dramatic turn of events/the great debate.
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Heh, it's like "art? tracklist? no. (next page) art? tracklist? no. (next page)" etc.
I actually read all the posts. However, between next Monday and the Sunday after, I won't have any internet or ability to read the posts.
I just realized how much I won't be able to wait to get home after the trip. I'm going to run through my door, run up to my computer, turn it on, run back downstairs, eat a plum and or a nectarine, then run upstairs, and check the facebook accounts for DT and RR, then the twitter accounts for both, then the DT website, then here.
If there is a single released next week at the same time as the tracklist/album artwork (which would make sense) I'm probably going to cry. And listen to the song about a million times.
You check here last? I check here first. Mostly because the news will likely be caught by someone before me, so I come here and enjoy the dramatic turn of events/the great debate.
Lucien, do you have a cell phone/smart phone that can use the Internet at all, even just with phone reception? If so, while you'd probably be unable to post anywhere, you'd probably be able to keep up with news updates on the album.
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I'm going to a hotel in Branson, Missouri. I do not know if said hotel has wifi, and I don't have a smartphone anyways. There is a possibility though, that my mother brings her laptop along. If the wifi is free, I should be able to post and see updates and stuff.
Otherwise, I'll just be really pent up with anticipation and I'll probably vent it all here when I get back. ;D
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I'm going to a hotel in Branson, Missouri. I do not know if said hotel has wifi, and I don't have a smartphone anyways. There is a possibility though, that my mother brings her laptop along. If the wifi is free, I should be able to post and see updates and stuff.
Otherwise, I'll just be really pent up with anticipation and I'll probably vent it all here when I get back. ;D
I've been to Branson once or twice. I would imagine pretty much any hotel there would probably have free wifi, considering how that town runs on tourism and such. If not, there's always restaurants such as McDonald's or Panera Bread that generally have free wifi too.
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I was at the Hyatt in San Francisco once, and they charged 10 bucks a night for internet.
10 BUCKS A NIGHT!
CROOKS!!
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Most hotels have free wifi or wifi available for a low cost, but if you don't have a smartphone/iphone/etc, I guess that doesn't matter much.
I'll be on a Mediterranean cruise for the next two weeks, so I'll be out of touch from announcements and such as well most likely... but I don't think I'll be stressing over it all that much.
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Oh, while I'm there I probably won't be even thinking about Dream Theater; there's just too much stuff that you can do in Branson (oh my God go-karts are still amazing even though I'm 17 years old).
Hopefully I'll be able to convince my mother that this Dream Theater CD (SFaM) will be the one she likes (to listen to on the way there)
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Oh, while I'm there I probably won't be even thinking about Dream Theater; there's just too much stuff that you can do in Branson (oh my God go-karts are still amazing even though I'm 17 years old).
Totally understandable. My trip to Branson back in 2010 was absolutely terrific. I had a total blast at the Music Legends show there (or whatever it was called). Their Michael Jackson 'actor' was there on special occasion and was the highlight of the trip for me. You'll have a blast in Branson, man! :tup
Hopefully I'll be able to convince my mother that this Dream Theater CD (SFaM) will be the one she likes (to listen to on the way there)
Hopefully your mom is more willing to listen to prog rock/metal than mine is. :biggrin: :lol
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Oh, while I'm there I probably won't be even thinking about Dream Theater; there's just too much stuff that you can do in Branson (oh my God go-karts are still amazing even though I'm 17 years old).
Hopefully I'll be able to convince my mother that this Dream Theater CD (SFaM) will be the one she likes (to listen to on the way there)
Pssshhh.....I was just in Las Vegas for a whole week, drunk off my ass every night, it was a party fest. I still checked the internet every day for artwork/track names! :lol
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Guys, this isn't the chat thread. Seriously.
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Guys, this isn't the chat thread. Seriously.
We could just archive this thread and create a new one called Official DT12 Thread
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This should propably be done once we get the artwork and tracklist. This thread is counting backwards :'(
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Guys, this isn't the chat thread. Seriously.
To be honest, I don't really see the big deal. This is a forum, right? And in this thread stuff gets discussed and sidetracked. I don't mean to be billigerent or a smart-ass, I just really wonder what the (objective) big deal is with threads going off-track. If anything, I think it showcases an active and vibrant community and one that should be embraced instead of toned down by 'watch out for the lock, this is going off the rails'-posts.
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Guys, this isn't the chat thread. Seriously.
To be honest, I don't really see the big deal. This is a forum, right? And in this thread stuff gets discussed and sidetracked. I don't mean to be billigerent or a smart-ass, I just really wonder what the (objective) big deal is with threads going off-track. If anything, I think it showcases an active and vibrant community and one that should be embraced instead of toned down by 'watch out for the lock, this is going off the rails'-posts.
This.
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Here's a can of worms: I have to say that in the MP days the lead-up time to a new album was more exciting, what with the studio videos etc.
Dunno, those Q&A videos leave me pretty cold.
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Guys, this isn't the chat thread. Seriously.
To be honest, I don't really see the big deal. This is a forum, right? And in this thread stuff gets discussed and sidetracked. I don't mean to be billigerent or a smart-ass, I just really wonder what the (objective) big deal is with threads going off-track. If anything, I think it showcases an active and vibrant community and one that should be embraced instead of toned down by 'watch out for the lock, this is going off the rails'-posts.
This.
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Guys, this isn't the chat thread. Seriously.
To be honest, I don't really see the big deal. This is a forum, right? And in this thread stuff gets discussed and sidetracked. I don't mean to be billigerent or a smart-ass, I just really wonder what the (objective) big deal is with threads going off-track. If anything, I think it showcases an active and vibrant community and one that should be embraced instead of toned down by 'watch out for the lock, this is going off the rails'-posts.
This.
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+2. Who's it going to hurt if people get off topic? It's only natural that in lieu of new information a thread with this many people participating is going to get sidetracked. Who cares?
Here's a can of worms: I have to say that in the MP days the lead-up time to a new album was more exciting, what with the studio videos etc.
Dunno, those Q&A videos leave me pretty cold.
Yea, though the Q and A videos are a step up from when ADTOE was being made. Maybe they need to ease into that with Portnoy out.
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+2. Who's it going to hurt if people get off topic?
Sort of a silly argument. None of the rules are actually in place to keep anybody from getting "hurt". The rules are in place to keep the discussions good, interesting, tolerable, and positive. There are other threads to discuss whatever happens to be on your mind, and I'm with the majority of DTF'ers, I think, when I say that when I see 50 new replies in the new-studio-album thread, I'd like some actual discussion of the new studio album, and not banal, purposefully irrelevant comments like "I heard a Steven Wilson song the other day" and "hotels sometimes have expensive Internet".
It's only natural that in lieu of new information a thread with this many people participating is going to get sidetracked. Who cares?
They should be "participating" in threads that are actually relevant to the comments they want to make.
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It doesn't INHERENTLY matter, and normally it wouldn't matter, it only matters because these are the rules that we all agreed to. I know, I've broken some myself either on purpose (for a good reason) or accidentally. And I got "smooshed" for it.
Anywho, I can't wait for the artwork, and hope it is simply the majesty logo and "Dream Theater" on it, in some sort of unique color scheme so we can call it it's own {color} Album, since the Black Album and the White Album are taken.
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Back from Spain - what did I miss?
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Back from Spain - what did I miss?
Not much: The album artwork and the tracklist should be released sometime next week.
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That wasn't explicitly stated was it? Just don't want anyone to get their hopes up and be disappointed if it didn't happen. Although, I can't imagine that happening around here.
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That wasn't explicitly stated was it?
Yes, it was. Not that that's worth much, plans change, but next week was mooted, as a direct response to a very clear question, by a member of RoadRunner staff.
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Meanwhile we wait for news, check out this amazing acoustic guitar cover of Spirit Carries on, with a touch of Southern Brazilian Music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMshIfl31IM
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Here's a can of worms: I have to say that in the MP days the lead-up time to a new album was more exciting, what with the studio videos etc.
Dunno, those Q&A videos leave me pretty cold.
This is a fair assessment of my feelings on the situation, as well.
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I'm sorry but WTF is a Godspeed black emperor?
A band Tim you old metallhead. :lol
I do the same thing. :lol
And it's Godspeed You! Black Emperor.
TAC, they are a really amazing group, but knowing what I do of your tastes and preferences, let me save you some time and say they probably aren't your cup of tea.
But they are awesome.
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Here's a can of worms: I have to say that in the MP days the lead-up time to a new album was more exciting, what with the studio videos etc.
Dunno, those Q&A videos leave me pretty cold.
This is a fair assessment of my feelings on the situation, as well.
When the album comes out, and you learn everything about it at once, it will be much more exciting than if MP spilled all the beans now.
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Here's a can of worms: I have to say that in the MP days the lead-up time to a new album was more exciting, what with the studio videos etc.
Dunno, those Q&A videos leave me pretty cold.
This is a fair assessment of my feelings on the situation, as well.
When the album comes out, and you learn everything about it at once, it will be much more exciting than if MP spilled all the beans now.
Not the case for me at all. Personally, I enjoy the anticipation, and feeling part of a unique and special fanbase, and having things to discuss, instead of having people badger the record label and arguing over things we haven't even been told yet. I completely agree with rumby.
Ultimately it's the album that matters of course, not the lead up, but it used to be a lot more exciting.
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If I recall back a number of years, the release of SFAM was kept pretty quiet. There really wasn't much information released prior to that album. I remember hearing three short instrumental snippets, and that's about all I can pull out of the recesses of my brain. In the end, a really good album was the reward for patiently waiting.
Sometimes less is more.
But, having said that, we now know that supposedly cover art and a track list will pop up next week. So, there is that.
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Here's a can of worms: I have to say that in the MP days the lead-up time to a new album was more exciting, what with the studio videos etc.
Dunno, those Q&A videos leave me pretty cold.
This is a fair assessment of my feelings on the situation, as well.
When the album comes out, and you learn everything about it at once, it will be much more exciting than if MP spilled all the beans now.
This. I hope we don't even get snips of the album like on ADTOE, even though I'd definitely listen to them dozens of times if they were released... :facepalm:
Aside from that, wish we had more fun studio videos which didn't necessarily give any music info away (never know with DTF CSI Filter) ;D
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If I recall back a number of years, the release of SFAM was kept pretty quiet. There really wasn't much information released prior to that album. I remember hearing three short instrumental snippets, and that's about all I can pull out of the recesses of my brain. In the end, a really good album was the reward for patiently waiting.
Sometimes less is more.
Yeah, the amount of information you have prior to the release of an album won't affect the quality of the music. If anything, pre-release hype can make your expectations for the album too high and cause it to be a disappointment if those expectations aren't met. I've loved the updates DT have given us this time, but I was also accepting of the silence around the recording of ADTOE and the album ended up becoming one of my favorites.
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Here's a can of worms: I have to say that in the MP days the lead-up time to a new album was more exciting, what with the studio videos etc.
Dunno, those Q&A videos leave me pretty cold.
This is a fair assessment of my feelings on the situation, as well.
When the album comes out, and you learn everything about it at once, it will be much more exciting than if MP spilled all the beans now.
This. I hope we don't even get snips of the album like on ADTOE, even though I'd definitely listen to them dozens of times if they were released... :facepalm:
Aside from that, wish we had more fun studio videos which didn't necessarily give any music info away (never know with DTF CSI Filter) ;D
I've never understood this logic. There should be snippets, so that those who want to hear them can, and those that don't can simply not listen to them. Why should everyone have to miss out?
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I've never understood this logic. There should be snippets, so that those who want to hear them can, and those that don't can simply not listen to them. Why should everyone have to miss out?
You're right. It's definitely a greedy sentiment on my part. I don't want to hear them, but I can't help myself. If I'm being impartial, I side with you on this one :lol
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The problem is that 90% of the time those who set out to not hear samples tend to listen to them anyway, because they simply can't resist even the smallest drop of than new sweet sweet DT goodness...
Hopefully that won't be me this time around.
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when I see 50 new replies in the new-studio-album thread, I'd like some actual discussion of the new studio album, and not banal, purposefully irrelevant comments like "I heard a Steven Wilson song the other day" and "hotels sometimes have expensive Internet".
Agreed 100%. This thread seems to become the "increase your post count" thread, which is definitely not what it's all about. If you want to tell the world about discovering Porcupine Tree, your holidays or random guitar covers, do it, but not here please.
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I don't mind if we get snippets, but I am hoping we don't get a single until maybe a week or two before the albums released. I remember when they released OTBoA 2 and a half months before the album, I played the shit outta that song; listening to it at least twice, sometimes three times a day until ADToE came out. By the time I had the album, I skipped that song completely. I'd rather not do that this time. I don't want to have time to get sick of a song before the album is out.
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I don't mind if we get snippets, but I am hoping we don't get a single until maybe a week or two before the albums released. I remember when they released OTBoA 2 and a half months before the album, I played the shit outta that song; listening to it at least twice, sometimes three times a day until ADToE came out. By the time I had the album, I skipped that song completely. I'd rather not do that this time. I don't want to have time to get sick of a song before the album is out.
absolutely agree with this 100%. Although OTBoA is probably, as of now, one of my favorite tracks on adtoe, I completely burnt it into the ground before the album came out, and always ended up skipping it on the release of the album. To me that was essentially like shaving off 8 minutes of new material to listen to. And I never had an incentive to listen to it or to just let it play because the remainder of the album was far more fresh to my ears. Hence i'm not even paying attention to samples/singles this time round.
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I don't mind if we get snippets, but I am hoping we don't get a single until maybe a week or two before the albums released. I remember when they released OTBoA 2 and a half months before the album, I played the shit outta that song; listening to it at least twice, sometimes three times a day until ADToE came out. By the time I had the album, I skipped that song completely. I'd rather not do that this time. I don't want to have time to get sick of a song before the album is out.
Again, this comes to your own doing, just like people who don't want snippets because they know they'll listen to them. Why should everyone have to wait to hear the new material?
Plus singles help raise awareness of a new album leading up to it with pre-orders, and general marketing. I don't think it would make sense to wait so long with a single.
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I don't mind if we get snippets, but I am hoping we don't get a single until maybe a week or two before the albums released. I remember when they released OTBoA 2 and a half months before the album, I played the shit outta that song; listening to it at least twice, sometimes three times a day until ADToE came out. By the time I had the album, I skipped that song completely. I'd rather not do that this time. I don't want to have time to get sick of a song before the album is out.
Again, this comes to your own doing, just like people who don't want snippets because they know they'll listen to them. Why should everyone have to wait to hear the new material?
Plus singles help raise awareness of a new album leading up to it with pre-orders, and general marketing. I don't think it would make sense to wait so long with a single.
Don't get me wrong, Blob... I'm not gonna boycott if they give us a single next week, but I'd rather get snippets for a week or two, then maybe 2-3 weeks out release a single. 2 and a half months is a long time to have an 8+ minute tease available for repeated consumption.
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Unfortunately, all songs release are always like a month to a month and 1/2 out from the release of the album. I wear them out and when it comes to the release of the albums, I skip over the single. My fault, I just can't help myself.
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Unfortunately, all songs release are always like a month to a month and 1/2 out from the release of the album. I wear them out and when it comes to the release of the albums, I skip over the single. My fault, I just can't help myself.
To be fair I did this with OTBOA. Listened the hell out of it prior to release, can rarely listen to it on an ADTOE playthrough
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I don't mind if we get snippets, but I am hoping we don't get a single until maybe a week or two before the albums released. I remember when they released OTBoA 2 and a half months before the album, I played the shit outta that song; listening to it at least twice, sometimes three times a day until ADToE came out. By the time I had the album, I skipped that song completely. I'd rather not do that this time. I don't want to have time to get sick of a song before the album is out.
absolutely agree with this 100%. Although OTBoA is probably, as of now, one of my favorite tracks on adtoe, I completely burnt it into the ground before the album came out, and always ended up skipping it on the release of the album. To me that was essentially like shaving off 8 minutes of new material to listen to. And I never had an incentive to listen to it or to just let it play because the remainder of the album was far more fresh to my ears. Hence i'm not even paying attention to samples/singles this time round.
I'd like to think that I could ignore any singles or snippets this time, but whenever I try to do that I get too tempted to listen and end up listening
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Maybe that's why I can't listen to AROP anymore. No wait, it's because that song sucks. Funny thing is I can listen to CM and OTBOA just fine. ADTOE to me is as fresh as when I first put it in.
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Maybe that's why I can't listen to AROP anymore. No wait, it's because that song sucks. Funny thing is I can listen to CM and OTBOA just fine. ADTOE to me is as fresh as when I first put it in.
This. Except for the AROP thing. Surprisingly, I don't hate it.
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I like AROP. It has some really cool riffs, catchy chorus, great guitar solo... :metal
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I like AROP. It has some really cool riffs, catchy chorus, great guitar solo... :metal
And the Bebot solo! :metal
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I like AROP. It has some really cool riffs, catchy chorus, great guitar solo... :metal
And the Bebot solo! :metal
Actually, IMO, the Bebot solo kinda sucks ><
I think it's primarily becuase it's JR's first attempt on Apple device's music.
But now he's skilled and I have no complaints :)
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Some online music sites get it totally wrong with their samples. I remember a sample of ITPOE2 where it was 30 seconds of the intro. Not a good indicator of the rest of the song. Plus, it's 30 seconds of a 16 minute song, and the whole song is not the same for 16 minutes.
My excitement level for an album is based on whether or not I like the music in the samples.
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I don't mind if we get snippets, but I am hoping we don't get a single until maybe a week or two before the albums released. I remember when they released OTBoA 2 and a half months before the album, I played the shit outta that song; listening to it at least twice, sometimes three times a day until ADToE came out. By the time I had the album, I skipped that song completely. I'd rather not do that this time. I don't want to have time to get sick of a song before the album is out.
Again, this comes to your own doing, just like people who don't want snippets because they know they'll listen to them. Why should everyone have to wait to hear the new material?
Plus singles help raise awareness of a new album leading up to it with pre-orders, and general marketing. I don't think it would make sense to wait so long with a single.
I agree. If you don't want to listen to it. Just don't listen to it. Having said that, there was also a reason why that single was released so early... so that they could play it out on their European summer festivals leg of the tour.
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Some online music sites get it totally wrong with their samples. I remember a sample of ITPOE2 where it was 30 seconds of the intro. Not a good indicator of the rest of the song. Plus, it's 30 seconds of a 16 minute song, and the whole song is not the same for 16 minutes.
I bet most, if not all, online stores always take the samples from the same part of the song and they're always as long - for example, on some site all the song samples may be 30 seconds long and always taken from 0:30-1:00.
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Do you remember the samples that were leaked by that (japanese?) site a few weeks before ADTOE leaked? :D
IIRC they were taken from the middle part of the song, they featured the BMUBMD chorus.
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And the Bebot solo! :metal
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_7312_1346499029.jpeg)
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And the Bebot solo! :metal
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_7312_1346499029.jpeg)
I don't like the bebot solo much, I also don't want JR experimental things like that on the New album.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wAstB0N9Q
The interesting thing in this video is not the song, clearly a user's creation, but the artwork he made (except the wrong font :P), cause the concept is something similar to other recent DT artworks. The general tonality is dark especially in the background, but the bubbles reveal white walls around the one shown in the picture, like the open door to a cloudless sky in BCSL...it's just an idea of someone from youtube, but it'd works on a DT album
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Does anyone know what song/band that actually is? I really like it. I prefer it to ADTOE in both songwriting and production. :lol
But I can't forgive them for using the wrong font.
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Except the guitar. Sounds awful :D
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Took too much low end off it. Common complaint I have with most modern metal. Aside from that, not a bad mix though.
And isn't it a coincidence they never leak the part with vocals? :neverusethis:
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Kinda reminds me of a song I'm working on (well, technically only the mix remains), except for the fact that mine is twice as long and sounds more real (instrument-wise, with real doumbek and stuff). I hope DT will use the phrygian dominant scale on this album as well as several earlier ones, it just suits metal so well.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wAstB0N9Q
Home. V2 :lol
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Is that YT vid an expansion on the MIDI file?
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I love the 2nd comment on that. "This isn't DT. Myung is singing...." :rollin
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There could be a "John Myung vocal demos" bonus disc instead of an instrumental disc :D
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I prefer it to ADTOE in both songwriting and production. :lol
Songwriting, maybe. Production? No way.
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I prefer it to ADTOE in both songwriting and production. :lol
Songwriting, maybe. Production? No way.
Preferring either of them is laughable to me, but he's Blob. :cool:
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Back to the pre-release leaking of audio, IMHO it doesn't even need to be actual parts from songs. What about just running around with a camera and show JM or JP practicing scales in the studio, or James warming up his voice in front of the microphone? That's the kind of stuff that makes the anticipation worthwhile.
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Back to the pre-release leaking of audio, IMHO it doesn't even need to be actual parts from songs. What about just running around with a camera and show JM or JP practicing scales in the studio, or James warming up his voice in front of the microphone? That's the kind of stuff that makes the anticipation worthwhile.
Things as simple as this are pretty effective actually. I'd appreciate seeing bits of random behind the scenes footage of the band. Even if someone ran over to JP screwing around on the guitar and he stops for a moment, looks at the camera and says "This note will be featured on DTs new album" as he then strikes the low E string once.
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Yeah, screw the single. Give us the 2nd episode of "DT in the studio" instead! :corn
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Yeah, screw the single. Give us the 2nd episode of "DT in the studio" instead! :corn
+1
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wAstB0N9Q
Home. V2 :lol
My thoughts exactly. :lol It's not bad, but it's not very exciting either, and considering it's instrumental, nothing really happens.
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And it's not even with just Dream Theater. When Kvelertak released the single from their new album this year, I tried for awhile to not listen to it but eventually caved. I said I'd avoid any single or snippets for this DT album, but will most likely cave.
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The artwork for Kvelertak's single was enough for me to cave.
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I prefer it to ADTOE in both songwriting and production. :lol
Songwriting, maybe. Production? No way.
Preferring either of them is laughable to me, but he's Blob. :cool:
I don't see how that's laughable. ADTOE's production is almost unlistenable to me, and even though that fake was far from perfect either, it was much better than ADTOE's mix. And songwriting is completely subjective, but this reminds me of the type of instrumental stuff DT used to do, with interesting sounds. ADTOE to me was very bland instrumentally.
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I prefer it to ADTOE in both songwriting and production. :lol
Songwriting, maybe. Production? No way.
Preferring either of them is laughable to me, but he's Blob. :cool:
I don't see how that's laughable. ADTOE's production is almost unlistenable to me, and even though that fake was far from perfect either, it was much better than ADTOE's mix. And songwriting is completely subjective, but this reminds me of the type of instrumental stuff DT used to do, with interesting sounds. ADTOE to me was very bland instrumentally.
Agreed. It doesn't have any punch. There wasn't a lot of dynamic contrast either.
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I prefer it to ADTOE in both songwriting and production. :lol
Songwriting, maybe. Production? No way.
Preferring either of them is laughable to me, but he's Blob. :cool:
I don't see how that's laughable. ADTOE's production is almost unlistenable to me, and even though that fake was far from perfect either, it was much better than ADTOE's mix. And songwriting is completely subjective, but this reminds me of the type of instrumental stuff DT used to do, with interesting sounds. ADTOE to me was very bland instrumentally.
Agreed. It doesn't have any punch. There wasn't a lot of dynamic contrast either.
What album would you say had very good dynamic contrast?
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What ADTOE had was good melodies and good hooks, and that's really all that matters, because that's what makes it stick in the brain.
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I prefer it to ADTOE in both songwriting and production. :lol
Songwriting, maybe. Production? No way.
Preferring either of them is laughable to me, but he's Blob. :cool:
I don't see how that's laughable. ADTOE's production is almost unlistenable to me, and even though that fake was far from perfect either, it was much better than ADTOE's mix. And songwriting is completely subjective, but this reminds me of the type of instrumental stuff DT used to do, with interesting sounds. ADTOE to me was very bland instrumentally.
I want to believe this is a fake, but what if it's actually part of the instrumental song on the album that's hasn't been mastered. We know the masters are done, but I doubt the label would release a fully complete song even for snippets so soon after finishing the masters. It might be possible for one of the unmastered tracks to be leaked though.
It could happen. :lol
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So what you're saying is.....
they're re-writing SFAM now? :neverusethis:
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I prefer it to ADTOE in both songwriting and production. :lol
Songwriting, maybe. Production? No way.
Preferring either of them is laughable to me, but he's Blob. :cool:
I don't see how that's laughable. ADTOE's production is almost unlistenable to me, and even though that fake was far from perfect either, it was much better than ADTOE's mix. And songwriting is completely subjective, but this reminds me of the type of instrumental stuff DT used to do, with interesting sounds. ADTOE to me was very bland instrumentally.
Has it been confirmed by the band or the label that the "leaked snippet" is actually off DT's new album? If not, then I'm more inclined to believe it's not DT at all. Sure it sounds like something they might do. But I seriously doubt that snippet is actually them.
There are always fakes like this, and I don't think they even need response from the label/band. I have no doubt that it's fake.
First of all, the chances of some random person getting a copy of the album this soon is almost zero. Very few people would have access to it at this point, and they would not risk their asses to show off publicly on Youtube. And if they did, they wouldn't leak one tiny snippet of instrumental music that proves nothing.
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I prefer it to ADTOE in both songwriting and production. :lol
Songwriting, maybe. Production? No way.
Preferring either of them is laughable to me, but he's Blob. :cool:
I don't see how that's laughable. ADTOE's production is almost unlistenable to me, and even though that fake was far from perfect either, it was much better than ADTOE's mix. And songwriting is completely subjective, but this reminds me of the type of instrumental stuff DT used to do, with interesting sounds. ADTOE to me was very bland instrumentally.
Agreed. It doesn't have any punch. There wasn't a lot of dynamic contrast either.
What album would you say had very good dynamic contrast?
I'd say..Octavarium, definitely Six Degrees, Falling Into Infinity. Most of their albums are good really, but those are the ones that stick out. On the other hand, Black Clouds and SC also suffer from not having a lot of dynamic contrast, but where ADTOE has no punch, these two albums have way too much. Which makes me think that ADTOE was produced that way on purpose. Hopefully DT12 has a better balance.
Edit: I'm just talking about production here. Dream Theater excels at dynamics, but sometimes it doesn't translate to the studio.
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Six Degrees for sure.
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ADTOE was perhaps intentionally light on the low end precisely because SC and BC&SL were exceedingly heavy on it. There was a pronounced lack of MPs influence in the production. That isn't a bad thing. I heard a return to the art of crafting a meaningful song. There were still some heavier BitS, but it wasn't leaning toward screams and growls, which undermines DT music. Plus--and I know I always come back to this--let's not forget that they had a new member they'd never played with before. That can sometimes be difficult when mixing, having a new member's input. Especially one who was uncomfortable giving creative input his first time in the studio with a new band. I'm sure DT12 will have a better balance now that everyone is comfortable with each other.
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Oh I'm certain it was mixed that way on purpose. I've never really seen any of their production flaws as accidents. JP and (before he quit) MP know what they're doing. They might not always be the best choices, as seen heavily on the last three albums, but it's not like, say, Death Magnetic or recent Iron Maiden albums where it really seems like the band fucked up. I mean, I can totally understand why DT took the route they did with every single album they've made. (Except WDADU, but I don't count that. :P)
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Speaking of wrong fonts, when is this site going to get the correct one?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wAstB0N9Q
I don't care much about the song. But with changing the band's name to the correct font and making it white and then adding some more depth and purple nebula... I'd be happy with the new album having a cover like that.
Greetings...
Nef
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That is not JP's tone at all.
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Speaking of wrong fonts, when is this site going to get the correct one?
This. Default should be Times New Roman.
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Could someone please give a summary on what's happening with the new DT cd? What's the latest information? Information via Facebook is minimal from DT-camp. It's been much better before, could have something to do with MPs departure.
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Could someone please give a summary on what's happening with the new DT cd? What's the latest information? Information via Facebook is minimal from DT-camp. It's been much better before, could have something to do with MPs departure.
We're meant to be getting the tracklist and the cover image within the next week, according to Roadrunner's Twitter.
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Could someone please give a summary on what's happening with the new DT cd? What's the latest information? Information via Facebook is minimal from DT-camp. It's been much better before, could have something to do with MPs departure.
Dream Theater has a new album coming out this year.
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That is not JP's tooooneeee at all.
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Could someone please give a summary on what's happening with the new DT cd? What's the latest information? Information via Facebook is minimal from DT-camp. It's been much better before, could have something to do with MPs departure.
We're meant to be getting the tracklist and the cover image within the next week, according to Roadrunner's Twitter.
Of course that timeframe may or may not be just a guess by the twitter account operator.
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Could someone please give a summary on what's happening with the new DT cd? What's the latest information? Information via Facebook is minimal from DT-camp. It's been much better before, could have something to do with MPs departure.
We're meant to be getting the tracklist and the cover image within the next week, according to Roadrunner's Twitter.
Of course that timeframe may or may not be just a guess by the twitter account operator.
True, but I very much hope that it's not simply a guess
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just appreciating how there is going to be an orchestra on this album. How many songs will include the orchestra? (is that something we know?). It's going to give it that 8vm vibe, which is totally up my ally :metal :corn
Seriously the more I think about it the more I think that this could be on par with SFAM and SDOIT.
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I think it was confirmed that 4 songs would feature the orchestra
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It would be beyond amazing if some of the orchestral instruments had lead parts. A violin doubling JP's shred or a cello vs Myung bass solo spot.
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just appreciating how there is going to be an orchestra on this album. How many songs will include the orchestra? (is that something we know?). It's going to give it that 8vm vibe, which is totally up my ally :metal :corn
Seriously the more I think about it the more I think that this could be on par with SFAM and SDOIT.
I feel like we're going to get the best parts of 8vm/ADTOE, blended with the best parts of SFAM/SDOIT. Then hopefully something new and forward-thinking.
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I just asked on Twitter about DT news and they replied with one word: tomorrow! My Twitter is @ryancseeley for proof since I can't post a photo right now.
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I think it was confirmed that 4 songs would feature the orchestra
It wasn't. That's a line someone here put in a spoof press release.
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I just asked on Twitter about DT news and they replied with one word: tomorrow! My Twitter is @ryancseeley for proof since I can't post a photo right now.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/9238736569_4866426f7d.jpg)
There you go.
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I just asked on Twitter about DT news and they replied with one word: tomorrow! My Twitter is @ryancseeley for proof since I can't post a photo right now.
Thats awesome, but I always feel bad about DT fans nagging at them about news all the time :lol
I feel like we're going to get the best parts of 8vm/ADTOE, blended with the best parts of SFAM/SDOIT. Then hopefully something new and forward-thinking.
I really hope for something new and forward thinking over anything that is like parts from album x or y. With the exception of some keyboard tones (which imo were excellent) this was not apparent on adtoe.
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TOMORROW :o
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:hat
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I just asked on Twitter about DT news and they replied with one word: tomorrow! My Twitter is @ryancseeley for proof since I can't post a photo right now.
Thats awesome, but I always feel bad about DT fans nagging at them about news all the time :lol
Same :lol
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There's always tomorrow, for Dreams to come true? :lol
I'm very excited though. I might not sleep well for a couple of days after looking at the cover/track list. There will be too many ideas swirling in my head as to what it will sound like. As far as the orchestra, I would almost bank on it being in the song with the working title "Epic" simply because the two go hand in hand. I'd be surprised if it wasn't used for that song and that's the one I'm most looking forward to hearing.
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Great to have a definite announcement for the announcement. Sucks that I probably won't have access to the internet most of the time tomorrow :angry:
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Great to have a definite announcement for the announcement. Sucks that I probably won't have access to the internet most of the time tomorrow :angry:
*tomorrow comes*
@RRRecords: "check the DT gallery for an additional 16 studio pix! you can find it on www.dreamtheater.net. Announcement for further announcements expected soon! keep watching this space!"
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Yeah, I'm not holding my breath for anything significant.
And by that I mean, I'm not gonna be frantically checking back here instead of doing my work, just because some guy on DT claims some guy who runs DT's twitter says there's gonna be an announcement tomorrow.
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(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I really hope it'll be something important this time.
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Well, judging from the dynamics of that twittversation (and from my predicted timeline of the release) it should be the real deal this time.
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I just asked on Twitter about DT news and they replied with one word: tomorrow! My Twitter is @ryancseeley for proof since I can't post a photo right now.
Thats awesome, but I always feel bad about DT fans nagging at them about news all the time :lol
Same :lol
+1 I just hope we can restrain ourselves from bugging them about news every day between now and the release day. We're starting to prove the lyrics to Never Enough right. I'm hoping "tomorrow" doesn't become the next "soon". ::)
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Fingers crossed for an exciting announcement. :metal
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Does DT typically release the song lengths with the tracklisting? I know some bands do, and others don't. I can't remember the ADTOE press release...
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They didn't last time. But then again, we got tracklist with the album title, so maybe it'll be different this time.
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Considering the master was done last week they do have the track lengths at least, so the question is if they wanna share them yet. If they don't I assume we'll have to wait until they start showing up in the internet stores.
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This thread is an embarassment to DT fandom, in my opinion. We were always known for being really loyal, passionate fans. Not brattish junkies who NEED to know NOW
First off, you aren't the arbitor of what is or is not appropriate DT fandom. Second, referring to this thread as an "embarassment" and to some who have posted in it as "brattish junkies" is insulting to the members of this forum and is against forum rules. I will once again remind you that if you do not agree with a thread or a particular poster, your best option is to exit the thread and find one where you can post something constructive rather than posting something that is going to get you into trouble. Last warning on the subject.
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And with regard to the thread itself, there have been repeated statements about it having an unacceptable level of spam posts. I am locking it and starting a new one. And, no, this will not be archived, as I said earlier in the thread. It basically devolved into a somewhat targeted spam thread that made any legitimate discussion almost impossible to follow. It will be locked for now and eventually deleted. Let's keep the new one more on track.