2022 NFL Thread (Chiefs win Super Bowl 57)

[hunnus2000]

Hunnus means he wasn't really participating with the team in the off season.  They had him on the other field while the team practiced.  Only after he signed that one year deal did he work with his teammates.

Yes, but as I said, that isn't "flaky."  There were legitimate reasons for that.

The front office WAS flaky. They could have cut him but they were hedging on his loyalty to the club and he signed an agreement far below his worth. But they kept him off the field. If he were involved in all aspects of the offseason program then SF would be in a much better position today.

[Stadler]

I think it's important to remember that SF was flaky with their QB situation this off season. Jimmy G did NOT get any participation OTA's much less training camp. He was thrust into action when Tery Lance went down and I think he's done an admirable job but their schedule is not that favorable.

BTW - look out for Washington.

Ron Rivera to me at this point is Head Coach of the Year!

On Bart and Hahn this afternoon the question was raised: "who is better, the Commanders or the Giants?".   There are a lot of people that think like you do.

[bosk1]

Hunnus means he wasn't really participating with the team in the off season.  They had him on the other field while the team practiced.  Only after he signed that one year deal did he work with his teammates.

Yes, but as I said, that isn't "flaky."  There were legitimate reasons for that.

The front office WAS flaky. They could have cut him but they were hedging on his loyalty to the club and he signed an agreement far below his worth. But they kept him off the field. If he were involved in all aspects of the offseason program then SF would be in a much better position today.

Why would they cut a player that has trade value?  Teams don't do that unless there are extenuating circumstances, like the player being a problem child that the team just needs to get rid of at all costs and cut their losses (e.g. an Antonio Brown situation).  They didn't cut him for the same reason he wasn't included in the offseason program with the starters: they (as well as Jimmy) were fully expecting a trade.  That's what teams do in that situation almost all the time.  Having been a Jimmy G. supporter from day one and a fan that has wanted him to play over Lance, I didn't like it.  But it was far from "flaky."  The decision was made to trade him, and ALL parties involved acted consistently with that stance throughout the process.  It's just that a trade never materialized. 

[King Postwhore]

Hunnus means he wasn't really participating with the team in the off season.  They had him on the other field while the team practiced.  Only after he signed that one year deal did he work with his teammates.

Yes, but as I said, that isn't "flaky."  There were legitimate reasons for that.

Yeah, no one wanted to trade for him.  His injury history is the reason why. If he goes deep into the playoffs it will help them trade him next year.

[KevShmev]

Using the standards you are setting here today, because they won zero rings together, the Tom Brady/Randy Moss combo was an utter and total failure.  Correct?

No.  That's a black and white standard.  There are no absolutes here; it's not like there's only two choices:  GREATEST OF ALL TIME!! or UTTER AND TOTAL FAILURE!!   Is Brady/Moss the greatest tandem of all time? NO; they did it one year, put up silly numbers, but went home in February like everyone else except for one team: losing their last game.   All I'm saying, all I've EVER said, is stop annointing Mahomes.  Why this obsession that he be recalled as the greatest of all time?  What does it matter?  Brady - and several others, Montana, Manning, etc. - did great things REGARDLESS of who was around them.  Let Mahomes be Mahomes. Let him cycle through a generation (which in the NFL is, what, five years, more or less) of players around him. A generation of coaches that are targeting him.

He's very good; he's one of the two or three best QBs in the league, and probably the guy you'd pick RIGHT NOW to build your team around. No question.  But that's enough for now.   The obsession isn't with "Brady" or "Mahomes", it's our culture's obsession with these absolute and unattainable standards.  Everything has to be "Greatest" this or "Extreme" that.  Let it play out.

Okay, but who here, specifically, has called Mahomes the greatest of all time already? 

[Stadler]

Using the standards you are setting here today, because they won zero rings together, the Tom Brady/Randy Moss combo was an utter and total failure.  Correct?

No.  That's a black and white standard.  There are no absolutes here; it's not like there's only two choices:  GREATEST OF ALL TIME!! or UTTER AND TOTAL FAILURE!!   Is Brady/Moss the greatest tandem of all time? NO; they did it one year, put up silly numbers, but went home in February like everyone else except for one team: losing their last game.   All I'm saying, all I've EVER said, is stop annointing Mahomes.  Why this obsession that he be recalled as the greatest of all time?  What does it matter?  Brady - and several others, Montana, Manning, etc. - did great things REGARDLESS of who was around them.  Let Mahomes be Mahomes. Let him cycle through a generation (which in the NFL is, what, five years, more or less) of players around him. A generation of coaches that are targeting him.

He's very good; he's one of the two or three best QBs in the league, and probably the guy you'd pick RIGHT NOW to build your team around. No question.  But that's enough for now.   The obsession isn't with "Brady" or "Mahomes", it's our culture's obsession with these absolute and unattainable standards.  Everything has to be "Greatest" this or "Extreme" that.  Let it play out.

Okay, but who here, specifically, has called Mahomes the greatest of all time already?

Many; go back through the thread here, we've recounted the examples.   Even people here are acting as if that's the case.  Even if not singularly "the greatest", even putting him in the top five or ten at this point is premature.

[Nick]

Mahomes is the greatest State Farm spokeperson of all time. There, I said it. Fight me.

[El Barto]

Mahomes is the greatest State Farm spokeperson of all time. There, I said it. Fight me.

And yet he's still godawful compared to Whiplash guy and Mayhem. He probably beats out Flo, can't stand the girl, but definitely not her uber-talented sidekick. The only company spokesman he surely beats out is the guy with the emu, and I'm not even sure if they're selling insurance.

[hefdaddy42]

Mayhem is awesome.

[El Barto]

Mayhem is awesome.

I wouldn't go that far. They're all annoying pricks. Most of them are just less annoying than Mahomes (and now Reid).

[Stadler]

Mayhem is awesome.

Sidebar: big Dean Winters fan.

[Stadler]

Mahomes is the greatest State Farm spokeperson of all time. There, I said it. Fight me.

Unfortunately, he's not even that.  The guy arguing with his wife at three am - "Well, she's a guy, so..."  - is better. 

[King Postwhore]

Mayhem is awesome.

Sidebar: big Dean Winters fan.

Love him in 30 Rock.

[El Barto]

So much for Zach Wilson.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35091901/sources-jets-players-told-qb-zach-wilson-start-sunday

On the one hand, getting massacred by a stout Patriots D, twice, shouldn't be how you evaluate your QB. It happens to a lot of quarterbacks. At the same time his refusal to accept any responsibility just looks terrible. Wouldn't be surprised if his teammates were calling for his head on platter.

[Skeever]

So much for Zach Wilson.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35091901/sources-jets-players-told-qb-zach-wilson-start-sunday

On the one hand, getting massacred by a stout Patriots D, twice, shouldn't be how you evaluate your QB. It happens to a lot of quarterbacks. At the same time his refusal to accept any responsibility just looks terrible. Wouldn't be surprised if his teammates were calling for his head on platter.

I watch pretty much every Jets presser, because I'm that much of a masochist.
Saleh was 2 hours late for the one on Monday, coming from team meetings. It was also there that he announced that they were "evaluating everything, including Zach".

I think it's exactly that. Saleh has done a wonderful job creating a culture in NY. Problem is, a single player seems to be above/outside that culture, and that player is Zach Wilson.

I think it helps Saleh in two ways, really. For one, it all but guarantees he'll get Year 3 - he's done wonderful things with this team, and can pin, right or wrong, all failures on the lack of a QB, instead of any issues he or his wingman LaFleur may have. Then, next year, they'll get him who he wants. I'd prefer Carr, but Saleh probably wants Jimmy G. Then, when the Jets win only 8-9 games next year, we'll be having the same conversations all over again.

[El Barto]

I sure hope that wasn't Von Miller's last play. I'd just as soon see him miss the two Patriots games, but it's sad when legends end their careers on a cart.

Good game so far.

[bosk1]

Didn't see it.  Was out on a 20-mile bike ride, got back later than planned (had to reroute because I started late and they changed the route for our local Thanksgiving morning walk/run race, so I had to alter my route unexpectedly.  Got back and started prepping some food we'll be cooking up later, and finally tuned in to find it pretty close at halftime.

[bosk1]

Wow, too bad for Detroit.  They made some mistakes on that last drive that cost them.

[TAC]

Wow, too bad for Detroit.  They made some mistakes on that last drive that cost them.

And the RTP was a fucking stupid penalty to make on a 3rd and 10 the previous drive.

Such a Lions way to lose.

[King Postwhore]

So far, so good for the Pats.

[TAC]

Wow, that Madden Tribute was so much better than the two fucking shitty ass halftime shows earlier today.

[El Barto]

Jones played great until that final abortion of a drive. Taking a sack there was the worst possible thing he could do. Really, though, it was stupid penalties that killed them. Pierre Strong is lucky he's a rookie. He might not play again this season, but he's too young to cut for a bonehead mistake.

[King Postwhore]

That was a huge mistake.   That conversation on the sideline with BB did not look good.

[KevShmev]

Punts are something that can make me a bit anxious when watching games with a rooting interest.  I always think (for the team I am rooting for), "Don't jump offsides or don't run into the kicker."  I get "trying to make a play," but you have to be smart in that situation.

On a somewhat related note, because it also special teams, I am still baffled as to why ANY kick returner catches a kickoff in the end zone and runs it out.  Idiots.  They almost never get it back to the 25, and then you run the risk of a block in the back and all of a sudden your offense is starting off at their own 5.

[KevShmev]

I'd like to point out as well how hilariously bad Tony Dungy is at times at being an analyst. Him acting at one point last night that he knew more about situational football than Bill Belichick was straight comedy.  And he does a terrible job at hiding how much he clearly dislikes the Patriots.  He almost always picks against them.

[TAC]

I'd like to point out as well how hilariously bad Tony Dungy is at times at being an analyst. Him acting at one point last night that he knew more about situational football than Bill Belichick was straight comedy.  And he does a terrible job at hiding how much he clearly dislikes the Patriots.  He almost always picks against them.

I didn't pick up on that at all. I thought he was quite praiseful of Belichick.

[Skeever]

It looks like with Mike White the Jets have found, at least, their Mac Jones. Can look extremely good at times, can also look pretty bad. But he at least runs the offense instead of trying to play around it. And he has now shown to flashes in four starts that are much better than any games that Zach Wilson has put together his entire career so far.

Great win seeing the Jets take care of business and establish themselves as a still worthy contender.

[DragonAttack]

Ravens:  ten straight games with ten+ point leads.  Make that eleven straight with at least a nine point lead, and yet their record falls to 7-4.  The past three years have been quite abysmal when opponents go to a hurry up offense, especially with the talent in their defensive backfield.

 And yet......darnit.....their most exciting and reliable offensive weapon would have made that 67 yarder if it was about two yards shorter.  It is crazy to see Justin Tucker walk out and try a kick from that distance, and then be in semi disbelief when he comes up short (barely).

I was hoping Baltimore could go at least 10-7 and have a first round home game.  That's no longer a given.

[bosk1]

This Packers/Eagles game is crazy.

[El Barto]

Third generation Mongo. How close to the tree did this guy fall? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOfl-576IZ8

[splent]

Mad the Packers lost again… but I’m wondering if I witnessed the beginning of the Jordan Love era. I’m
Hoping so.

[DragonAttack]

Just great.  This is the face of the Ravens franchise
https://www.si.com/nfl/ravens/news/ravens-lamar-jackson-unnecessary-headache-for-himself

As to the Jordan Love era: if so, we might see more of these pictures in the future for Nazareth fans 

[hefdaddy42]

And just like that, the Panthers are just one game out of first place in their division.

WTF

[Dublagent66]

Bucs leading that division at 5-6.  Even more of a

[hunnus2000]

Washington is 7-5. WTF??