Your Controversial Opinions on DT

[Crow]

Thought of the day-- A Nightmare to Remember kicks Illumination Theory's ass.

Factual.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

I also prefer A Nightmare To Remember.

[TheGreatPretender]

Here's mine.

My gut instinct (which correctly predicted major trouble within DT when MP made public comments about JLB) is sensing that JR is
not feeling 'driven' or 'fulfilled' within DT and that it won't be long before he moves along. I think the $$ is very good and provides
a good quality of life, but the type of music DT is creating is not meshing with the type of music he is passionate about. I see one
tour, maybe 2 and depending on what the next studio album turns out to be...that DT13 may be his last.

Bite your tongue.

[RodrigoAltaf]

Here's mine.

My gut instinct (which correctly predicted major trouble within DT when MP made public comments about JLB) is sensing that JR is
not feeling 'driven' or 'fulfilled' within DT and that it won't be long before he moves along. I think the $$ is very good and provides
a good quality of life, but the type of music DT is creating is not meshing with the type of music he is passionate about. I see one
tour, maybe 2 and depending on what the next studio album turns out to be...that DT13 may be his last.

 That´s an interesting thought...while I´m not sure if he´ll ever quit, I agree that it´s hard to say Jordan looks 100% fulfilled with their recent output.

[BlobVanDam]

Thought of the day-- A Nightmare to Remember kicks Illumination Theory's ass.

I think they're both great, although I think I'd maybe give the slight edge to ANTR. Maybe not, I don't know!

[mabowe]

I think MP has orchestrated this whole thing, he once said that mangini would be the only one that could have replaced him.  DT have done there thing, and so has MP, he's basically having his five year hiatus. MM is used to being a hired gun and can clearly make a living when he is indeed replaced once again by MP. The notoriety that MM will get from the DT thing will (has) thrown him into the stratosphere of drumming. So MM will have that. We are being fed a shit ton of DT related stuff right now, SR, DT, LALP, JR solo stuff, LMR, and a possible JP solo album.  So after all that my controversial opinion on DT, is that .....they will be taking a break and the the next incarnation of the band will include MP.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

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[Prog Snob]

If I recall correctly, Myung had spoken about planning on writing more lyrics even before Portnoy left, so I don't think there was a direct correlation there.

Yep, I recall that too. Also, without MP writing lyrics, it was almost necessary for him to step up and help out, because JP is responsible for the bulk of the lyrics now.

And yet, JLB's lyrics are still being rejected.

Source?  From what I've read, he felt that he'd written enough lyrics for his solo album that he didn't feel the need to write anything for DTDT. 

Thank god JLB doesn't write many lyrics. DT has never really been consistent in the lyric department but JLB lyrics make me cringe, his solo albums suffer because of the lyrical content IMO.

He lyrics are not as beautifully poetic as JM's or as deep and dark as KM's, but he isn't horrible.  Vacant, Disappear, Blind Faith, and Far From Heaven are really good. FFH hits home pretty hard so I can listen to those words over and over. 

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Also, at least half the lyrics on JLB's solo albums are written by Guillory.

[theseoafs]

I think MP has orchestrated this whole thing, he once said that mangini would be the only one that could have replaced him.  DT have done there thing, and so has MP, he's basically having his five year hiatus. MM is used to being a hired gun and can clearly make a living when he is indeed replaced once again by MP. The notoriety that MM will get from the DT thing will (has) thrown him into the stratosphere of drumming. So MM will have that. We are being fed a shit ton of DT related stuff right now, SR, DT, LALP, JR solo stuff, LMR, and a possible JP solo album.  So after all that my controversial opinion on DT, is that .....they will be taking a break and the the next incarnation of the band will include MP.

I personally believe that MM was put up for the job by the NSA.  MM is a government shill whose primary job is to find out whether JM (who has been a person of interest to the CIA for several decades) has any terrorist sympathies.  Once that is figured out, MM will fake his own death and assume a new identity as a gas station attendant in Alabama, at which point MP will re-join DT.

[BlobVanDam]

I think MP has orchestrated this whole thing, he once said that mangini would be the only one that could have replaced him.  DT have done there thing, and so has MP, he's basically having his five year hiatus. MM is used to being a hired gun and can clearly make a living when he is indeed replaced once again by MP. The notoriety that MM will get from the DT thing will (has) thrown him into the stratosphere of drumming. So MM will have that. We are being fed a shit ton of DT related stuff right now, SR, DT, LALP, JR solo stuff, LMR, and a possible JP solo album.  So after all that my controversial opinion on DT, is that .....they will be taking a break and the the next incarnation of the band will include MP.

I personally believe that MM was put up for the job by the NSA.  MM is a government shill whose primary job is to find out whether JM (who has been a person of interest to the CIA for several decades) has any terrorist sympathies.  Once that is figured out, MM will fake his own death and assume a new identity as a gas station attendant in Alabama, at which point MP will re-join DT.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Obviously it was the freemasons who put him up to it.

[Prog Snob]

I think MP has orchestrated this whole thing, he once said that mangini would be the only one that could have replaced him.  DT have done there thing, and so has MP, he's basically having his five year hiatus. MM is used to being a hired gun and can clearly make a living when he is indeed replaced once again by MP. The notoriety that MM will get from the DT thing will (has) thrown him into the stratosphere of drumming. So MM will have that. We are being fed a shit ton of DT related stuff right now, SR, DT, LALP, JR solo stuff, LMR, and a possible JP solo album.  So after all that my controversial opinion on DT, is that .....they will be taking a break and the the next incarnation of the band will include MP.

I personally believe that MM was put up for the job by the NSA.  MM is a government shill whose primary job is to find out whether JM (who has been a person of interest to the CIA for several decades) has any terrorist sympathies.  Once that is figured out, MM will fake his own death and assume a new identity as a gas station attendant in Alabama, at which point MP will re-join DT.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Obviously it was the freemasons who put him up to it.

Did you watch that on a Michael Moore documentary?

[TheGreatPretender]

That´s an interesting thought...while I´m not sure if he´ll ever quit, I agree that it´s hard to say Jordan looks 100% fulfilled with their recent output.

Yeah, but he seems to be very preoccupied with his App business, plus he seems to be really into exploring new sounds and things like that when it comes to DT. And he's been involved in side projects and writing all sorts of orchestral and piano music and putting on concerts etc. So I'm pretty sure that all in all, he's pretty fulfilled as an artist. So there should be no reason for him to quit DT.

[Grizz]

I think MP has orchestrated this whole thing, he once said that mangini would be the only one that could have replaced him.  DT have done there thing, and so has MP, he's basically having his five year hiatus. MM is used to being a hired gun and can clearly make a living when he is indeed replaced once again by MP. The notoriety that MM will get from the DT thing will (has) thrown him into the stratosphere of drumming. So MM will have that. We are being fed a shit ton of DT related stuff right now, SR, DT, LALP, JR solo stuff, LMR, and a possible JP solo album.  So after all that my controversial opinion on DT, is that .....they will be taking a break and the the next incarnation of the band will include MP.

I personally believe that MM was put up for the job by the NSA.  MM is a government shill whose primary job is to find out whether JM (who has been a person of interest to the CIA for several decades) has any terrorist sympathies.  Once that is figured out, MM will fake his own death and assume a new identity as a gas station attendant in Alabama, at which point MP will re-join DT.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Obviously it was the freemasons who put him up to it.

You dumbasses. Mike Portnoy died three years ago from overexhaustion from playing a show at the un-airconditioned Worcester Palladium. (Anyone at that show will understand what I mean.) They found a homeless guy, died his beard blue, and passed him off as MP, hence the simpler drumming since the DT departure. DT stole a robot from the Pearl labs and passed him off as the new drummer.

Ask me about when KM got his face badly beaten and then lost all his hair in a fire. It was dry until he hit a swimming pool.


























I need to go to bed.

[MonagFam]

I don't really enjoy, appreciate, or fully understand some of JRs extended solo "atmospheric" type pieces in the middle of songs.  I am trying to think if we have many in the last two, but I am thinking of Octavarium as well as a song or to on BCSL at least.  They are parts that I'd just as soon skip over as I feel it doesn't advance the music (though I do appreciate when it's over). 

[Crow]

Why do I always miss all the amazing posts in this thread? 
JR is actually Kevin Moore from the not-so-distant future, by the way. I don't know if you guys knew that, but he has a time machine.

[TheGreatPretender]

Why do I always miss all the amazing posts in this thread? 
JR is actually Kevin Moore from the not-so-distant future, by the way. I don't know if you guys knew that, but he has a time machine.

If this is true, then apparently he also has some other magical machine that gave him better keyboard playing skills than he had in his heyday.

[Sycsa]

Thought of the day-- A Nightmare to Remember kicks Illumination Theory's ass.

Both are top 15 material for me.

[?]

Thought of the day-- A Nightmare to Remember kicks Illumination Theory's ass.

ANTR isn't a favorite of mine by any means, but I agree.

[gmillerdrake]

If not for the last 5 minutes....yes 5 minutes.....of ANTR it would be a near perfect song. But, the way they drug it out....oh and put that incredibly out of place/ comical an un-necessary 'blast beat' section in there....ruined it from being a great song to me. That's one of the things I enjoy about DT12....they don't drag out songs just to make them 9-10 minutes long. That's what they did with ANTR....drug it out for no reason other than to have a 16 minute song.

[jsem]

If not for the last 5 minutes....yes 5 minutes.....of ANTR it would be a near perfect song. But, the way they drug it out....oh and put that incredibly out of place/ comical an un-necessary 'blast beat' section in there....ruined it from being a great song to me. That's one of the things I enjoy about DT12....they don't drag out songs just to make them 9-10 minutes long. That's what they did with ANTR....drug it out for no reason other than to have a 16 minute song.

I agree. Except I don't find the intro to be the best thing ever. 5:10-10:29 is magic though, encompasses exactly that which I love about DT.

[Joshin U]

If not for the last 5 minutes....yes 5 minutes.....of ANTR it would be a near perfect song. But, the way they drug it out....oh and put that incredibly out of place/ comical an un-necessary 'blast beat' section in there....ruined it from being a great song to me. That's one of the things I enjoy about DT12....they don't drag out songs just to make them 9-10 minutes long. That's what they did with ANTR....drug it out for no reason other than to have a 16 minute song.

I don't mind the dragged out ending half as much as I dislike the rororo section, which literally makes me laugh out loud every time I hear it, and the majority of the instrumental section. 

[MonagFam]

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I don't mind the dragged out ending half as much as I dislike the rororo section, which literally makes me laugh out loud every time I hear it, and the majority of the instrumental section.

What's the "rororo section"?

Thanks.

[Zydar]

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I don't mind the dragged out ending half as much as I dislike the rororo section, which literally makes me laugh out loud every time I hear it, and the majority of the instrumental section.

What's the "rororo section"?

Thanks.

"Day after day, and night after night..."

[MonagFam]

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I don't mind the dragged out ending half as much as I dislike the rororo section, which literally makes me laugh out loud every time I hear it, and the majority of the instrumental section.

What's the "rororo section"?

Thanks.

"Day after day, and night after night..."

Thanks.  I also can't stand that part. 

[Crow]

ANTR is a pretty good song for the entire first half and then the rest of the song happens and kills it.
IT was never a good song at any point and it doesn't have any section as bad as the worst of ANTR but nothing in it comes close to the better parts on ANTR either.

[Edan the Man]

I don't know how to compare those two songs. In ANTR, the DAY AFTER DAY part is cringey, and the instrumental part that takes place leading up to is pretty forgettable as well. But I love the rest of the song, especially the peaceful sedation bit!

Illumination Theory is great, I actually really like everything up to the orchestra part, which... well I like that part too, but its totally out of place and hurts the pace of the song. Right AFTER it though, "MOTHERS FOR THEIR CHILDREN, ETC FOR ETC...", is like my favorite bit of the entire album, JLB here . But then I really don't care for "Surrender, Trust & Passion" at all, a mediocre ending to the song imo. The little thingy at the very end that fades out is cool though.

[jakepriest]

IT was never a good song at any point and it doesn't have any section as bad as the worst of ANTR but nothing in it comes close to the better parts on ANTR either.

I happen to really like Live, Die, Kill but that's all I really appreciate out of IT.

[ZKX-2099]

I think MP has orchestrated this whole thing, he once said that mangini would be the only one that could have replaced him.  DT have done there thing, and so has MP, he's basically having his five year hiatus. MM is used to being a hired gun and can clearly make a living when he is indeed replaced once again by MP. The notoriety that MM will get from the DT thing will (has) thrown him into the stratosphere of drumming. So MM will have that. We are being fed a shit ton of DT related stuff right now, SR, DT, LALP, JR solo stuff, LMR, and a possible JP solo album.  So after all that my controversial opinion on DT, is that .....they will be taking a break and the the next incarnation of the band will include MP.

I personally believe that MM was put up for the job by the NSA.  MM is a government shill whose primary job is to find out whether JM (who has been a person of interest to the CIA for several decades) has any terrorist sympathies.  Once that is figured out, MM will fake his own death and assume a new identity as a gas station attendant in Alabama, at which point MP will re-join DT.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Obviously it was the freemasons who put him up to it.

Well that explains A Rite Of Passage... it was the mason brotherhood...

bruthahood... bruthahood...

[TheGreatPretender]

bruthahood... bruthahood...

Ah yes, the part that ruins the song.

[Joshin U]

bruthahood... bruthahood...

Ah yes, the part that ruins the song.

  There are certainly more parts of the song that ruin it, but that portion is cringe-inducing.

"Strength and dignataaaaay"  "Dignity!!"

[TheGreatPretender]

There are certainly more parts of the song that ruin it, but that portion is cringe-inducing.

"Strength and dignataaaaay"  "Dignity!!"

It became so much worse once I heard the stems, and I listened to the vocals by themselves with full clarity of those horrible backups. Now I can't unhear them.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

  I actually like those parts.

[MonagFam]

bruthahood... bruthahood...

Ah yes, the part that ruins the song.

  There are certainly more parts of the song that ruin it, but that portion is cringe-inducing.

"Strength and dignataaaaay"  "Dignity!!"

What's the follow-up...is it "OY!"

[ZKX-2099]

There are certainly more parts of the song that ruin it, but that portion is cringe-inducing.

"Strength and dignataaaaay"  "Dignity!!"

It became so much worse once I heard the stems, and I listened to the vocals by themselves with full clarity of those horrible backups. Now I can't unhear them.

Where can I hear this?