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General => Polls/Survivors => Topic started by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 02, 2014, 05:55:15 PM
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DT the League 2014 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39921.0
DT the League 2013 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34282.0
I've come up with an interesting twist for the League, assuming that people will like there to be a 2015 season.
Instead of having all of the songs squaring off against one-another, I've come up with the idea of having 3 separate divisions, which will allow the "big boys" to face "the big boys" while the lesser loved songs will face one-another.
The divisions for 2015 would be based on the 2014 post Album Tournament records. After 2015, the bottom 4 songs of each division would be regulated to the next lowest division, and the top 4 songs of each division (other than Division 1) will be promoted to the next highest division. The divisions for 2015 would be as follows:
(2014 Post Album Tournament Rank. Song Title Record Winning %)
Division 1
1. A Change of Seasons 20-0 1.000
2. Home 23-0 1.000
3. Octavarium 23-0 1.000
4. Breaking All Illusions 23-0 1.000
5. Trial of Tears 23-0 1.000
6. Lines in the Sand 22-1 .957
7. Learning to Live 22-1 .957
8. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 21-1 .955
9. Scarred 21-2 .913
10. Voices 21-2 .913
11. Metropolis 21-2 .913
12. In the Name of God 20-2 .909
13. Take the Time 20-2 .909
14. The Count of Tuscany 20-2 .909
15. Illumination Theory 19-2-2 .870
16. Under a Glass Moon 19-3 .864
17. Blind Faith 18-3-1 .841
18. Finally Free 19-4 .826
19. Bridges in the Sky 19-4 .826
20. The Spirit Carries On 18-4 818
21. Fatal Tragedy 18-4 .818
22. Stream of Consciousness 18-4 .818
23. Pull Me Under 17-4 .810
24. In the Presence of Enemies 17-4-1 .795
25. Overture 1928 16-5, .762
26. Space-Dye Vest 16-5-1 .750
27. Beyond This Life 16-5-1 .750
28. The Mirror 16-5-1 .750
29. The Glass Prison 16-5-1 .750
30. Disappear 16-6 .727
31. Hell’s Kitchen 16-6 .727
32. The Great Debate 15-6 .714
Division 2
1. Endless Sacrifice 16-7 .696
2. Outcry 15-7 .682
3. On the Backs of Angels 15-7 .682
4. Caught in a Web 15-7 .682
5. Surrounded 14-7 .667
6. Wait For Sleep 13-6-2 .667
7. 6:00 14-7 .667
8. Lie 13-7-1 .643
9. Sacrificed Sons 14-8 .636
10. Strange déjà vu 14-8 .636
11. Innocence Faded 13-8 .619
12. This Dying Soul 13-8-1 .614
13. Surrender to Reason 14-9 .609
14. The Root of All Evil 14-9 .609
15. Erotomania 13-9 .591
16. These Walls 13-9 .590
17. Misunderstood 11-9-1 .548
18. This is the Life 11-9-1 .548
19. The Ministry of Lost Souls 12-10-1 .543
20. One Last Time 11-10 .524
21. The Enemy Inside 11-10-1 .523
22. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 11-11 .500
23. A Nightmare to Remember 10-10-2 .500
24. Peruvian Skies 11-11 .500
25. The Dance of Eternity 10-11-1 .477
26. Behind the Veil 10-11 .476
27. Another Day 10-11.476
28. Panic Attack 10-11.476
29. Afterlife 9-12-1 .432
30. The Best of Times 9-12-1 .432
31. The Bigger Picture 9-12-1 .432
32. Through Her Eyes 9-12 .429
Division 3
1. Lost Not Forgotten 8-12-1 .405
2. The Killing Hand 9-14 .391
3. Forsaken 8-13-1 .386
4. Beneath the Surface 7-12-2 .381
5. Honor Thy Father 7-12-2 .381
6. The Shattered Fortress 8-14 .364
7. Eve 7-13 .350
8. Along for the Ride 7-14 .333
9. As I Am 7-14 .333
10. Constant Motion 7-14 .333
11. Hollow Years 7-14 .333
12. Wither 7-14 .333
13. The Dark Eternal Night 6-14-2 .318
14. Ytse Jam 7-15 .318
15. A Fortune In Lies 7-16 .304
16. To Live Forever 6-14 .300
17. Never Enough 6-15 .286
18. The Silent Man 5-14-2 .286
19. Raise the Knife 5-14-1 .275
20. Enigma Machine 6-16 .273
21. The Looking Glass 5-15-1 .262
22. I Walk Beside You 5-16 .238
23. Vacant 5-16 .238
24. New Millennium 5-17 .227
25. The Answer Lies Within 4-16-1 .214
26. Just Let Me Breathe 4-17-1 .205
27. Repentance 4-17 .190
28. A Rite of Passage 4-17 .190
29. Far From Heaven 4-18 .182
30. False Awakening Suite 3-18 .143
31. Anna Lee 3-19 .136
32. Only a Matter of Time 2-18-1 .119
The following list of songs won't participate in the 2015 season, but will have a tournament or survivor to determine which four get promoted to Division 3.
Cover My Eyes 2-18 .100
Build Me Up, Break Me Down 2-19 .095
Another Won 1-18-1 .075
Speak to Me 1-18-1 .075
Take Away My Pain 1-19-1 .071
Status Seeker 1-20 .048
Light Fuse and Getaway 1-20 .048
Regression 1-20 .048
Don’t Look Past Me 0-19-1 .025
Prophets of War 0-20-1 .024
Burning My Soul 0-21 .000
Raw Dog 0-20 .000
The Ones Who Help To Set the Sun 0-21.000
The Way It Used to Be 0-20 .000
You Not Me 0-21 .000
You or Me 0-20 .000
The idea would be for each division to have a 20 Week Regular season. Then we would have the Album Tournaments (which would be the only time that songs would face songs from the other divisions. After this each division will have its own 16 Song Tournament.
Please let me know what you think. Is having a season every year overkill? Do you prefer the old way over the new way? Any questions or suggestions? Feedback is encouraged.
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Sounds like a good idea DoC. I think it will classify the songs better and produce more balanced results. Let's give it a whirl.
:tup
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I like the Division idea. Too many times last year there were like 25-0 scores.
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Well well! This time of year already! I love that this happens every year, especially now with the new division idea. At first I thought it would've been nice to crown one "ultimate champion", but I suppose the winner of Division 1 would get that, much like the champions of the Premier League are considered champions of England in football. And it would be nice that lower-ranked songs that normally wouldn't get any honours would get the chance to be named Champion, even of a lower division.
Also, I assume the bottom songs of Division 3 would get relegated to the pile of songs below that don't take part in 2015.
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Sounds like fun DOC. I like the new idea.
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Liking the division idea, although why not just have a division 4? Also I prefer to see songs in pairings like The Mirror/Lie and Overture 1928/Strange Deja Vu rather than split up. That being said TDOE and OLT I don't put together because they seem to be the least sensible songs to put into one (I mean a fairly heavy instrumental paired with a softish sing along?).
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I'm in! Sounds like a cool idea!
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Also I prefer to see songs in pairings like The Mirror/Lie and Overture 1928/Strange Deja Vu rather than split up.
Why? They're separate songs that just happen to segue into each other. By this principle, then The Root of All Evil, The Answer Lies Within, These Walls and I Walk Beside You should be counted as one song.
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Also I prefer to see songs in pairings like The Mirror/Lie and Overture 1928/Strange Deja Vu rather than split up.
Why? They're separate songs that just happen to segue into each other. By this principle, then The Root of All Evil, The Answer Lies Within, These Walls and I Walk Beside You should be counted as one song.
Agreed, they are separate songs.
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I see them as one song split into two. After all you pointed out that the music transitions into each other perfectly. With the Octavarium thing, they're not all linked that's just the extra "hidden bits" to do with the concept. Lie as you know came out of The Mirror and the Mirror then reprises at the end so they definitely count as one for me. On scenes Overture 1928 and Strange Deja Vu are classed as one scene so I would say the band wants them to be together. I will even include TDOE and OLT as one if I had to.
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I don't think divisions are a good idea for a ranking. We're just blurring things. We'd like to compare the top 4 of the second division with the bottom 4 of the first, and this way we can't. One consequence is that next year, if the format is kept, we won't be sure the first division will have the 32 best songs. It may contain some which are the best among the 33-64 best.
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I don't think divisions are a good idea for a ranking. We're just blurring things. We'd like to compare the top 4 of the second division with the bottom 4 of the first, and this way we can't. One consequence is that next year, if the format is kept, we won't be sure the first division will have the 32 best songs. It may contain some which are the best among the 33-64 best.
:facepalm:
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This will begin on Monday, December 15th.
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This will begin on Monday, December 15th.
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This will begin on Monday, December 15th.
:metal
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Division 3, Week 1 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=42942.0
1. The Silent Man defeats The Dark Eternal Night 16-11
2. Constant Motion & I Walk Beside You tie 13-13
3. Lost Not Forgotten defeats A Fortune in Lies 18-8
4. The Shattered Fortress defeats New Millennium 17-11
5. Honor Thy Father defeats Repentance 20-10
6. As I Am defeats Vacant 18-12
7. False Awakening Suite defeats Eve 15-12
8. Far From Heaven defeats Ytse Jam 14-13
9. The Looking Glass defeats Forsaken 15-13
10. Wither defeats Just Let Me Breathe 23-5
11. Raise the Knife defeats Never Enough 17-10
12. The Answer Lies Within defeats Beneath the Surface 13-12
13. To Live Forever defeats A Rite of Passage 17-9
14. Along for the Ride defeats Enigma Machine 15-13
15. Hollow Years defeats Only a Matter of Time 18-8
16. The Killing Hand defeats Anna Lee 17-9
Division 3 Rankings after Week 1 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Wither 1-0 (+18)
2. Hollow Years 1-0 (+10)
3. Honor Thy Father 1-0 (+10)
4. Lost Not Forgotten 1-0 (+10)
5. To Live Forever 1-0 (+9)
6. The Killing Hand 1-0 (+8)
7. Raise the Knife 1-0 (+7)
8. As I Am 1-0 (+6)
9. The Shattered Fortress 1-0 (+6)
10. The Silent Man 1-0 (+5)
11. False Awakening Suite 1-0 (+3)
12. Along for the Ride 1-0 (+2)
13. The Looking Glass 1-0 (+2)
14. The Answer Lies Within 1-0 (+1)
15. Far From Heaven 1-0 (+1)
16. Constant Motion 0-0-1 (0)
17. I Walk Beside You 0-0-1 (0)
18. Beneath the Surface 0-1 (-1)
19. Ytse Jam 0-1 (-1)
20. Enigma Machine 0-1 (-2)
21. Forsaken 0-1 (-2)
22. Eve 0-1 (-3)
23. The Dark Eternal Night 0-1 (-5)
24. New Millennium 0-1 (-6)
25. Vacant 0-1 (-6)
26. Never Enough 0-1 (-7)
27. Anna Lee 0-1 (-8)
28. A Rite of Passage 0-1 (-9)
29. A Fortune In Lies 0-1 (-10)
30. Only a Matter of Time 0-1 (-10)
31. Repentance 0-1 (-10)
32. Just Let Me Breathe 0-1 (-18)
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Division 2, Week 1 Results
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=42951.0
1. Peruvian Skies defeats The Dance of Eternity 14-11
2. Lie defeats Through Her Eyes 20-5
3. Strange Déjà vu defeats The Best of Times 21-5
4. Surrounded defeats Wait For Sleep 14-11
5. Caught in a Web defeats Innocence Faded 17-8
6. This Dying Soul defeats A Nightmare to Remember 15-11
7. Another Day defeats The Enemy Inside 15-10
8. Surrender to Reason defeats Panic Attack 14-11
9. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats This is the Life 14-11
10. Erotomania defeats The Bigger Picture 16-9
11. Outcry defeats Behind the Veil 14-11
12. Endless Sacrifice defeats Sacrificed Sons 14-12
13. Misunderstood defeats Afterlife 21-5
14. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats On the Backs of Angels 13-12
15. These Walls defeats 6:00 13-12
16. The Root of All Evil defeats One Last Time 17-9
Division 2 Rankings after Week 1 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).
Division 2 Standings
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Misunderstood 1-0 (+16)
2. Strange déjà vu 1-0 (+16)
3. Lie 1-0 (+15)
4. Caught in a Web 1-0 (+9)
5. The Root of All Evil 1-0 (+8)
6. Erotomania 1-0 (+7)
7. Another Day 1-0 (+5)
8. This Dying Soul 1-0 (+4)
9. The Ministry of Lost Souls 1-0 (+3)
10. Outcry 1-0 (+3)
11. Peruvian Skies 1-0 (+3)
12. Surrender to Reason 1-0 (+3)
13. Surrounded 1-0 (+3)
14. Endless Sacrifice 1-0 (+2)
15. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 1-0 (+1)
16. These Walls 1-0 (+1)
17. 6:00 0-1 (-1)
18. On the Backs of Angels 0-1 (-1)
19. Sacrificed Sons 0-1 (-2)
20. Behind the Veil 0-1 (-3)
21. The Dance of Eternity 0-1 (-3)
22. Panic Attack 0-1 (-3)
23. This is the Life 0-1 (-3)
24. Wait For Sleep 0-1 (-3)
25. A Nightmare to Remember 0-1 (-4)
26. The Enemy Inside 0-1 (-5)
27. The Bigger Picture 0-1 (-7)
28. One Last Time 0-1 (-8)
29. Innocence Faded 0-1 (-9)
30. Through Her Eyes 0-1 (-15)
31. Afterlife 0-1 (-16)
32. The Best of Times 0-1 (-16)
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I think people need to be careful when voting in these - a couple of the matchups from the division 3 poll have 30 votes between them, when there were only 26 members voting in total :lol :facepalm: Only about 5 of the matchups tally with the number of voters!
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I think people need to be careful when voting in these - a couple of the matchups from the division 3 poll have 30 votes between them, when there were only 26 members voting in total :lol :facepalm: Only about 5 of the matchups tally with the number of voters!
That's a very interesting observation. Hopefully people aren't just voting for their favorite 16 songs.
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Two questions.
1. Is 'season's end' after the 20-week regular season, or the album tournaments?
2. Will the songs that get demoted out of Division 3 be included in the "tournament or survivor to determine which songs get promoted to Division 3"?
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Two questions.
1. Is 'season's end' after the 20-week regular season, or the album tournaments?
2. Will the songs that get demoted out of Division 3 be included in the "tournament or survivor to determine which songs get promoted to Division 3"?
1. Season's end will be after the 20-week regular season. The album tournaments will be just for fun. I'm not going to count them in the W-L records since songs from different divisions will be playing in those tournaments, and they won't be evenly distributed across the albums.
2. I wasn't planning on having the Division 3 demoted songs involved in the promotion tournament, but I will think about it in the coming months.
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I think people need to be careful when voting in these - a couple of the matchups from the division 3 poll have 30 votes between them, when there were only 26 members voting in total :lol :facepalm: Only about 5 of the matchups tally with the number of voters!
That's a very interesting observation. Hopefully people aren't just voting for their favorite 16 songs.
It looks like that is what's happening. Is it possible to vote for both songs in a match up? I should think the poll wouldn't let you do that.
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I think people need to be careful when voting in these - a couple of the matchups from the division 3 poll have 30 votes between them, when there were only 26 members voting in total :lol :facepalm: Only about 5 of the matchups tally with the number of voters!
That's a very interesting observation. Hopefully people aren't just voting for their favorite 16 songs.
It looks like that is what's happening. Is it possible to vote for both songs in a match up? I should think the poll wouldn't let you do that.
The only way to limit voting to one of the two songs in a match is to make a separate poll for each match-up, so 48 threads a week. There's no way (that I know of) to force users to vote for only one of but not both options of two options of a +2 option poll.
That last sentence was a doozy.
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Division 1, Week 1 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=42958.0
1. Disappear defeats In the Presence of Enemies 18-14
2. The Count of Tuscany defeats The Great Debate 17-15
3. Breaking All Illusions defeats Pull Me Under 25-6
4. Learning to Live defeats Trial of Tears 20-12
5. Blind Faith & The Glass Prison tie 16-16
6. Finally Free defeats In the Name of God 19-13
7. Home defeats The Mirror 17-15
8. A Change of Seasons defeats Fatal Tragedy 23-8
9. Space-Dye Vest defeats Under a Glass Moon 22-10
10. Octavarium defeats Hell’s Kitchen 25-8
11. Stream of Consciousness defeats Beyond This Life 20-12
12. Scarred defeats Overture 1928 20-11
13. Voices defeats Lines in the Sand 17-15
14. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Take the Time 19-13
15. The Spirit Carries On defeats Bridges in the Sky 18-14
16. Metropolis defeats Illumination Theory 18-14
Division 1 Rankings after Week 1 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2).
Division 1 Standings
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Breaking All Illusions 1-0 (+19)
2. Octavarium 1-0 (+17)
3. A Change of Seasons 1-0 (+15)
4. Space-Dye Vest 1-0 (+12)
5. Scarred 1-0 (+9)
6. Learning to Live 1-0 (+8)
7. Stream of Consciousness 1-0 (+8)
8. Finally Free 1-0 (+6)
9. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 1-0 (+6)
10. Disappear 1-0 (+4)
11. Metropolis 1-0 (+4)
12. The Spirit Carries On 1-0 (+4)
13. The Count of Tuscany 1-0 (+2)
14. Home 1-0 (+2)
15. Voices 1-0 (+2)
16. Blind Faith 0-0-1 (0)
17. The Glass Prison 0-0-1 (0)
18. The Great Debate 0-1 (-2)
19. Lines in the Sand 0-1 (-2)
20. The Mirror 0-1 (-2)
21. In the Presence of Enemies 0-1 (-4)
22. Bridges in the Sky 0-1 (-4)
23. Illumination Theory 0-1 (-4)
24. In the Name of God 0-1 (-6)
25. Take the Time 0-1 (-6)
26. Beyond This Life 0-1 (-8)
27. Trial of Tears 0-1 (-8)
28. Overture 1928 0-1 (-9)
29. Under a Glass Moon 0-1 (-12)
30. Fatal Tragedy 0-1 (-15)
31. Hell’s Kitchen 0-1 (-17)
32. Pull Me Under 0-1 (-19)
Week 2 begins on Monday. In the meantime... feel free to leave any questions, comments, or observations.
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Great to see BAI at the top of Div 1. :tup
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It's already Monday! :p
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A pleasant surprise to me that Disappear beat an epic. Not my #1 anymore, but still top 5, I believe.
Although The Great Debate falling to The Count was a disappointment for me.
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There are a lot of songs that 'Disappear' should beat, but unfortunately, 'In the Presence of Enemies' ain't one of them.
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There are a lot of songs that 'Disappear' should beat, but unfortunately, 'In the Presence of Enemies' ain't one of them.
Oh, yes it is.
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Division 3, Week 2 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=42980.0
1. The Silent Man defeats Never Enough 16-11
2. Wither defeats The Answer Lies Within 14-13
3. The Looking Glass defeats To Live Forever 14-13
4. Along For the Ride defeats Far From Heaven 15-11
5. False Awakening Suite defeats Only a Matter of Time 17-10
6. As I Am defeats Anna Lee 23-4
7. Honor Thy Father defeats The Killing Hand 15-12
8. New Millennium defeats Hollow Years 14-13
9. A Fortune in Lies defeats Enigma Machine 14-13
10. I Walk Beside You defeats A Rite of Passage 18-9
11. Beneath the Surface defeats The Dark Eternal Night 14-13
12. Raise the Knife defeats Constant Motion 14-13
13. Lost Not Forgotten defeats Just Let Me Breathe 24-3
14. The Shattered Fortress defeats Forsaken 18-10
15. Ytse Jam defeats Repentance 15-13
16. Vacant defeats Eve 16-11
Division 3 Rankings after Week 2 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Lost Not Forgotten 2-0 (+31)
2. As I Am 2-0 (+25)
3. Wither 2-0 (+19)
4. The Shattered Fortress 2-0 (+14)
5. Honor Thy Father 2-0 (+13)
6. False Awakening Suite 2-0 (+10)
7. The Silent Man 2-0 (+10)
8. Raise the Knife 2-0 (+8)
9. Along for the Ride 2-0 (+6)
10. The Looking Glass 2-0 (+3)
11. I Walk Beside You 1-0-1(+9)
12. Hollow Years 1-1 (+9)
13. To Live Forever 1-1 (+8)
14. The Killing Hand 1-1 (+5)
15. Ytse Jam 1-1 (1)
16. The Answer Lies Within 1-1 (0)
17. Beneath the Surface 1-1 (0)
18. Vacant 1-1 (-1)
19. Far From Heaven 1-1 (-3)
20. New Millennium 1-1 (-5)
21. A Fortune In Lies 1-1 (-9)
22. Constant Motion 0-1-1 (-1)
23. Enigma Machine 0-2 (-3)
24. The Dark Eternal Night 0-2 (-6)
25. Eve 0-2 (-8)
26. Forsaken 0-2 (-10)
27. Never Enough 0-2 (-12)
28. Repentance 0-2 (-12)
29. Only a Matter of Time 0-2 (-17)
30. A Rite of Passage 0-2 (-18)
31. Anna Lee 0-2 (-27)
32. Just Let Me Breathe 0-2 (-39)
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What's with the general dislike of OAMOT? I would say that's the best song from WDADU and one of the 25 or so best DT songs.
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I love it too, it's just that it has been up against even better songs so far :P
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What's with the general dislike of OAMOT? I would say that's the best song from WDADU and one of the 25 or so best DT songs.
It maybe would have been a better DT song if it wasn't for the poor production and the vocals which I just don't like. At all. But yeah, one of the best from WDaDU.
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What's with the general dislike of OAMOT? I would say that's the best song from WDADU and one of the 25 or so best DT songs.
For me, the music is fantastic, especially the outro section. But the lyrical arrangement feels like trying to cram 12 minutes worth of lyrics into a six and a half minute song. It is off-putting.
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What's with the general dislike of OAMOT? I would say that's the best song from WDADU and one of the 25 or so best DT songs.
For me, the music is fantastic, especially the outro section. But the lyrical arrangement feels like trying to cram 12 minutes worth of lyrics into a six and a half minute song. It is off-putting.
I'm a fan but I agree with Hef as far as his stance on both the musical arrangement and vocal arrangement. There are definitely better choices on WDADU. The Killing Hand is one example.
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I think they were still figuring out things like that on the first album. That may explain why my favorite song on that album is Ytse Jam. :lol
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Division 2, Week 2 Results
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=42985.0
1. The Dance of Eternity defeats The Enemy Inside 18-10
2. This Dying Soul defeats Surrender to Reason 16-13
3. This is the Life defeats Innocence Faded 17-11
4. Wait For Sleep defeats Erotomania 16-12
5. Strange Déjà vu defeats Behind the Veil 22-6
6. Endless Sacrifice defeats Lie 16-12
7. Misunderstood defeats Peruvian Skies 19-10
8. On the Backs of Angels defeats Through Her Eyes 19-9
9. These Walls defeats The Best of Times 21-8
10. Surrounded defeats One Last Time 24-4
11. The Root of All Evil defeats Caught in a Web 15-13
12. 6:00 defeats A Nightmare to Remember 16-13
13. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Another Day 15-13
14. Panic Attack defeats Afterlife 19-9
15. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats Sacrificed Sons 15-13
16. The Bigger Picture defeats Outcry 16-12
Division 2 Rankings after Week 2 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Strange déjà vu 2-0 (+32)
2. Misunderstood 2-0 (+25)
3. Surrounded 2-0 (+23)
4. These Walls 2-0 (+14)
5. The Root of All Evil 2-0 (+10)
6. This Dying Soul 2-0 (+7)
7. Endless Sacrifice 2-0 (+6)
8. The Ministry of Lost Souls 2-0 (+5)
9. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 2-0 (+3)
10. Lie 1-1 (+11)
11. On the Backs of Angels 1-1 (+9)
12. Caught in a Web 1-1 (+7)
13. Panic Attack 1-1 (+7)
14. The Dance of Eternity 1-1 (+5)
15. Another Day 1-1 (+3)
16. Erotomania 1-1 (+3)
17. This is the Life 1-1 (+3)
18. 6:00 1-1 (+2)
19. Wait For Sleep 1-1 (+1)
20. Surrender to Reason 1-1 (0)
21. Outcry 1-1 (-1)
22. The Bigger Picture 1-1 (-3)
23. Peruvian Skies 1-1 (-6)
24. Sacrificed Sons 0-2 (-4)
25. A Nightmare to Remember 0-2 (-7)
26. The Enemy Inside 0-2 (-13)
27. Innocence Faded 0-2 (-15)
28. Behind the Veil 0-2 (-19)
29. Through Her Eyes 0-2 (-25)
30. Afterlife 0-2 (-26)
31. One Last Time 0-2 (-28)
32. The Best of Times 0-2 (-29)
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3. This is the Life defeats Innocence Faded 17-11
Woohoo! *fist pump* (Love Innocence Faded, but prefer TITL, hence the celebration)
4. Wait For Sleep defeats Erotomania 16-12
REALLY?!! I love Erotomania, but this is a HUGE shock! I did not expect to see a 2-minute prelude track beat one of DT's most highly-regarded instrumentals!
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Division 1, Week 2 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=42992.0
1. Take the Time defeats In the Presence of Enemies 20-8
2. #12 The Spirit Carries On & #15 Voices tie 14-14
3. #11 Metropolis defeats The Great Debate 23-6
4. #1 Breaking All Illusions defeats #10 Disappear 22-7
5. #13 The Count of Tuscany defeats Trial of Tears 16-12
6. Lines in the Sand defeats #16 Blind Faith 17-12
7. #9 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats #8 Finally Free 17-12
8. #14 Home defeats Bridges in the Sky 18-10
9. #3 A Change of Seasons defeats Illumination Theory 18-10
10. Under a Glass Moon defeats Pull Me Under 18-10
11. The Glass Prison defeats Beyond This Life 17-12
12. #5 Scarred defeats In the Name of God 14-13
13. The Mirror defeats Overture 1928 18-10
14. Fatal Tragedy defeats #7 Stream of Consciousness 16-12
15. #4 Space-Dye Vest defeats Hell’s Kitchen 17-12
16. #2 Octavarium defeats #6 Learning to Live 18-11
Division 1 Rankings after Week 2 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Breaking All Illusions 2-0 (+34)
2. Octavarium 2-0 (+24)
3. A Change of Seasons 2-0 (+23)
4. Metropolis 2-0 (+21)
5. Space-Dye Vest 2-0 (+17)
6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 2-0 (+11)
7. Home 2-0 (+10)
8. Scarred 2-0 (+10)
9. The Count of Tuscany 2-0 (+6)
10. The Glass Prison 1-0-1 (+5)
11. The Spirit Carries On 1-0-1 (+4)
12. Voices 1-0-1 (+2)
13. The Mirror 1-1 (+6)
14. Take the Time 1-1 (+6)
15. Stream of Consciousness 1-1 (+4)
16. Lines in the Sand 1-1 (+3)
17. Finally Free 1-1 (+1)
18. Learning to Live 1-1 (+1)
19. Under a Glass Moon 1-1 (-4)
20. Disappear 1-1 (-11)
21. Fatal Tragedy 1-1 (-11)
22. Blind Faith 0-1-1 (-5)
23. In the Name of God 0-2 (-7)
24. Bridges in the Sky 0-2 (-12)
25. Illumination Theory 0-2 (-12)
26. Trial of Tears 0-2 (-12)
27. Beyond This Life 0-2 (-13)
28. In the Presence of Enemies 0-2 (-16)
29. Overture 1928 0-2 (-17)
30. The Great Debate 0-2 (-19)
31. Hell’s Kitchen 0-2 (-22)
32. Pull Me Under 0-2 (-27)
Week 3 will start on Monday!
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I hope IT would gain some momentum next round, it has faced heavyweights so far. Maybe it's time for active campaigning for my 2nd fav DT song. :P
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I like the Vote Differential idea. Good thing to separate the songs with equal records.
BAI is in a commanding position already. 8VM has to beat its next opponent by 11 votes more than BAI beats its opponent by to reach the summit of Division 1. That's quite a mountain to climb.
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I like the Vote Differential idea. Good thing to separate the songs with equal records.
BAI is in a commanding position already. 8VM has to beat its next opponent by 11 votes more than BAI beats its opponent by to reach the summit of Division 1. That's quite a mountain to climb.
BAI has not faced off with a heavyweight yet, while Octavarium has faced DTF-favorite LtL. We have yet to see how BAI will fare against higher seeded competition. :)
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Although I like 'Octavarium' more, 'Breaking All Illusions' is a fantastic song, I don't mind seeing it go this well for it.
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Although I like 'Octavarium' more, 'Breaking All Illusions' is a fantastic song, I don't mind seeing it go this well for it.
Breaking All Illusions is my favorite DT song, actually. It has everything I like in Dream Theater (epic feel, amazing lyrics, prog structure, purposive musicality that is not just showing off of chops, various smooth flowing transitions from one musical theme to another). It also showcased every member's individuality very producing a whole that's greater than the sum of its parts. I just wish it has FII-level production. Still, it's very much my top bet in this competition. :metal
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Division 3, Week 3 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43007.0
1. The Silent Man defeats Along for the Ride 22-5
2. To Live Forever & Only a Matter of Time draw 13-13
3. The Answer Lies Within & Anna Lee draw 13-13
4. The Killing Hand defeats Never Enough 16-11
5. Hollow Years defeats Wither 16-11
6. The Looking Glass defeats Enigma Machine 16-10
7. Far From Heaven defeats A Rite of Passage 19-8
8. Beneath the Surface defeats False Awakening Suite 15-11
9. As I Am defeats Raise the Knife 17-11
10. Honor Thy Father defeats Just Let Me Breathe 20-8
11. New Millennium defeats Forsaken 15-12
12. Ytse Jam defeats A Fortune in Lies 14-12
13. I Walk Beside You defeats Eve 14-13
14. Vacant defeats The Dark Eternal Night 17-10
15. Constant Motion defeats Repentance 16-12
16. The Shattered Fortress defeats Lost Not Forgotten 15-13
Division 3 Rankings after Week 3 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. As I Am 3-0 (+31)
2. The Silent Man 3-0 (+27)
3. Honor Thy Father 3-0 (+25)
4. The Shattered Fortress 3-0 (+16)
5. The Looking Glass 3-0 (+9)
6. I Walk Beside You 2-0-1(+10)
7. Lost Not Forgotten 2-1 (+29)
8. Hollow Years 2-1 (+14)
9. Wither 2-1 (+14)
10. The Killing Hand 2-1 (+10)
11. Far From Heaven 2-1 (+8)
12. False Awakening Suite 2-1 (+6)
13. Vacant 2-1 (+6)
14. Beneath the Surface 2-1 (+4)
15. Ytse Jam 2-1 (+3)
16. Raise the Knife 2-1 (+2)
17. New Millennium 2-1 (-2)
18. Along for the Ride 2-1 (-11)
19. To Live Forever 1-1-1 (+8)
20. Constant Motion 1-1-1 (+3)
21. The Answer Lies Within 1-1-1 (0)
22. A Fortune In Lies 1-2 (-11)
23. Only a Matter of Time 0-2-1 (-17)
24. Anna Lee 0-2-1 (-27)
25. Enigma Machine 0-3 (-9)
26. Eve 0-3 (-9)
27. The Dark Eternal Night 0-3 (-13)
28. Forsaken 0-3 (-13)
29. Repentance 0-3 (-16)
30. Never Enough 0-3 (-17)
31. A Rite of Passage 0-3 (-29)
32. Just Let Me Breathe 0-3 (-51)
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Division 2, Week 3 Results
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43018.0
1. The Dance of Eternity defeats This Dying Soul 17-13
2. The Enemy Inside defeats Innocence Faded 15-14
3. Surrender to Reason defeats Wait For Sleep 16-13
4. Strange déjà vu defeats This is the Life 22-7
5. Lie defeats Erotomania 16-13
6. Peruvian Skies defeats Behind the Veil 15-14
7. Endless Sacrifice defeats Through Her Eyes 21-9
8. Misunderstood defeats The Best of Times 26-4
9. Surrounded defeats On the Backs of Angels 21-8
10. Caught in a Web defeats These Walls 15-14
11. A Nightmare to Remember & One Last Time draw 15-15
12. The Root of All Evil defeats Another Day 16-14
13. 6:00 defeats Panic Attack 17-12
14. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats Lifting Shadows off a Dream 16-13
15. The Bigger Picture defeats Afterlife 22-7
16. Outcry defeats Sacrificed Sons 16-13
Division 2 Rankings after Week 3 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Misunderstood 3-0 (+47)
2. Strange déjà vu 3-0 (+47)
3. Surrounded 3-0 (+36)
4. Endless Sacrifice 3-0 (+18)
5. The Root of All Evil 3-0 (+12)
6. The Ministry of Lost Souls 3-0 (+8)
7. Lie 2-1 (+14)
8. These Walls 2-1 (+13)
9. The Bigger Picture 2-1 (+12)
10. The Dance of Eternity 2-1 (+9)
11. Caught in a Web 2-1 (+8)
12. 6:00 2-1 (+7)
13. This Dying Soul 2-1 (+3)
14. Surrender to Reason 2-1 (+3)
15. Outcry 2-1 (+2)
16. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 2-1 (0)
17. Peruvian Skies 2-1 (-5)
18. Panic Attack 1-2 (+2)
19. Another Day 1-2 (+1)
20. Erotomania 1-2 (0)
21. Wait For Sleep 1-2 (-2)
22. On the Backs of Angels 1-2 (-4)
23. The Enemy Inside 1-2 (-12)
24. This is the Life 1-2 (-12)
25. A Nightmare to Remember 0-2-1 (-7)
26. One Last Time 0-2-1 (-28)
27. Sacrificed Sons 0-3 (-7)
28. Innocence Faded 0-3 (-16)
29. Behind the Veil 0-3 (-20)
30. Through Her Eyes 0-3 (-37)
31. Afterlife 0-3 (-41)
32. The Best of Times 0-3 (-51)
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Division 1, Week 3 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43022.0
1. #6 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats #13 The Mirror 16-7
2. Finally Free defeats In the Presence of Enemies 15-8
3. Blind Faith defeats #7 Home 12-11
4. #3 A Change of Seasons defeats Trial of Tears 15-8
5. #1 Breaking All Illusions defeats Under a Glass Moon 18-5
6. #11 The Spirit Carries On defeats Beyond This Life 12-11
7. #8 Scarred defeats #14 Take the Time 12-10
8. #9 The Count of Tuscany defeats #5 Space-Dye Vest 15-9
9. The Great Debate defeats #15 Stream of Consciousness 14-10
10. Disappear defeats Hell’s Kitchen 15-9
11. #16 Lines in the Sand defeats Fatal Tragedy 15-8
12. #12 Voices defeats Overture 1928 18-5
13. In the Name of God defeats Bridges in the Sky 15-8
14. Illumination Theory defeats #10 The Glass Prison 14-9
15. Learning to Live defeats Pull Me Under 20-3
16. #2 Octavarium defeats #4 Metropolis 14-10
Division 1 Rankings after Week 3 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Breaking All Illusions 3-0 (+47)
2. A Change of Seasons 3-0 (+30)
3. Octavarium 3-0 (+28)
4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 3-0 (+20)
5. The Count of Tuscany 3-0 (+12)
6. Scarred 3-0 (+12)
7. Voices 2-0-1 (+15)
8. The Spirit Carries On 2-0-1 (+5)
9. Learning to Live 2-1 (+18)
10. Metropolis 2-1 (+17)
11. Space-Dye Vest 2-1 (+11)
12. Lines in the Sand 2-1 (+10)
13. Home 2-1 (+9)
14. Finally Free 2-1 (+8)
15. Disappear 2-1 (-5)
16. The Glass Prison 1-1-1 (0)
17. Blind Faith 1-1-1 (-4)
18. Take the Time 1-2 (+4)
19. In the Name of God 1-2 (0)
20. Stream of Consciousness 1-2 (0)
21. The Mirror 1-2 (-3)
22. Illumination Theory 1-2 (-7)
23. The Great Debate 1-2 (-15)
24. Under a Glass Moon 1-2 (-17)
25. Fatal Tragedy 1-2 (-18)
26. Beyond This Life 0-3 (-14)
27. Bridges in the Sky 0-3 (-19)
28. Trial of Tears 0-3 (-19)
29. In the Presence of Enemies 0-3 (-23)
30. Hell’s Kitchen 0-3 (-28)
31. Overture 1928 0-3 (-30)
32. Pull Me Under 0-3 (-44)
Have a great weekend! We'll see you on Monday for the start of Week 4.
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How ironic would it be if Overture 1928 gets relegated to Division 2 and Strange Deja Vu gets promoted to Division 1. Personally, I never really listen to them separately, just like Through My Words and Fatal Tragedy.
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How ironic would it be if Overture 1928 gets relegated to Division 2 and Strange Deja Vu gets promoted to Division 1. Personally, I never really listen to them separately, just like Through My Words and Fatal Tragedy.
I feel like the only song Overture 1928 has a shot at beating is Hell's Kitchen. Overture 1928 is a great song, but it can't compete against songs like A Change of Seasons or Metropolis.
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Good to see a strong top 10 line up.
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How ironic would it be if Overture 1928 gets relegated to Division 2 and Strange Deja Vu gets promoted to Division 1. Personally, I never really listen to them separately, just like Through My Words and Fatal Tragedy.
I feel like the only song Overture 1928 has a shot at beating is Hell's Kitchen. Overture 1928 is a great song, but it can't compete against songs like A Change of Seasons or Metropolis.
That's true. But if it is Overture 1928 + Strange DejaVu, it cam definitely beat half of the songs in Division 1.
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How ironic would it be if Overture 1928 gets relegated to Division 2 and Strange Deja Vu gets promoted to Division 1. Personally, I never really listen to them separately, just like Through My Words and Fatal Tragedy.
I feel like the only song Overture 1928 has a shot at beating is Hell's Kitchen. Overture 1928 is a great song, but it can't compete against songs like A Change of Seasons or Metropolis.
That's true. But if it is Overture 1928 + Strange DejaVu, it cam definitely beat half of the songs in Division 1.
Two songs against one. How fair would that be?
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I agree DoC.
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I agree DoC.
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How ironic would it be if Overture 1928 gets relegated to Division 2 and Strange Deja Vu gets promoted to Division 1. Personally, I never really listen to them separately, just like Through My Words and Fatal Tragedy.
I feel like the only song Overture 1928 has a shot at beating is Hell's Kitchen. Overture 1928 is a great song, but it can't compete against songs like A Change of Seasons or Metropolis.
That's true. But if it is Overture 1928 + Strange DejaVu, it cam definitely beat half of the songs in Division 1.
Two songs against one. How fair would that be?
I would prefer to see it as a "song" with no proper ending (Overture 1928) against another song that has an ending and thus leaves one with a feeling of satisfaction because of the closure. That, IMO, is not a fair matchup. The same goes with Strange Deja Vu, which really feels weird listening to by its lonesome because it really does not have a proper beginning.
Of course it is your rules, Doc. Just chiming in my opinion.
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You could say that about lots of songs on lots of concept albums. And in their original context, that would be correct. But in this context, it is a contest of song against song, so each song has to stand and fall on its own merits.
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I guess I just thought that some songs are combined because I did not see Through My Words in the entries. I assumed that it was combined with Fatal Tragedy.
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I guess I just thought that some songs are combined because I did not see Through My Words in the entries. I assumed that it was combined with Fatal Tragedy.
Nope.
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Trial of Tears and ITPOE in danger of relegation! The world should have imploded! Two of my fave songs of any group.
@PMUgoingtoberelegated
GET IN! It's cliché to think I&W is overrated but PMU and MPt1 should not dominate competitions like this. I really hope Met.Pt.1 gets relegated too!
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It's cliché to think I&W is overrated but PMU and MPt1 should not dominate competitions like this. I really hope Met.Pt.1 gets relegated too!
Is it? I've never heard of that "cliché" before. From my experience, I&W is rated very highly by many people.
It's hard to see Metropolis getting relegated, even in this division format. It's an established Top 5 classic. One of the Immortals, as I call them.
Changing the subject slightly...Under the "all vs all" format, it's quite likely that all Div. 1 songs would end the regular season with winning records. However, as they're being pitted against songs on their level, as it were, some surprises could emerge.
Something else I've just thought about...it's quite possible that by the 2016 League, the new album will be out. Where will the new songs come into it?
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4. The Enemy Inside 7
4. Misunderstood 22
15. The Ministry of Lost Souls 15
15. A Nightmare to Remember 14
Total Members Voted: 28
:facepalm:
Match 4 had a clear cut winner. But match 15..... damn.
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5. In the Name of God defeats The Great Debate 19-15
Total Members Voted: 33
Man.... we might have to cancel this and go back to a simple Dream Theater Survivor.
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Don't cancel it, Doc. Let us just treat it as a controversial win with a blown call.
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Don't cancel it, Doc. Let us just treat it as a controversial win with a blown call.
This
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This is so frustrating. Newbies, PLEASE BE CAREFUL when voting here. Don't ruin this for us. For DT songs, I much prefer the League to a Survivor. Survivors highlight the negative too much. Least favourite this and least favourite that. At least with the league, we're mostly thinking about the songs we like.
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Would it be worth having blank options in the poll between each match up? eg:
1. Learning to Live
1. Scarred
---Next Match below---
2. Metropolis
2. Fatal Tragedy
---Next Match below---
etc. etc.
Not sure what the max number of poll options is, but it might help separate things a little better for people's eyelines or something? Or maybe people just aren't reading the isntructions properly at all anyway :lol I wonder if the 'blank' options would get any votes :facepalm:
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Don't cancel it, Doc. Let us just treat it as a controversial win with a blown call.
This
Disagree. I don't see the point in continuing this way if we can't get accurate results. This isn't a football game with multiple variables. We're talking about voting for 1 song in each matchup. It's that simple and the sum of the votes in each matchup should equal total members voted.
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^ "Belay that. Let her run, straight and true."
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Don't cancel it, Doc. Let us just treat it as a controversial win with a blown call.
This
Okay.
This is so frustrating. Newbies, PLEASE BE CAREFUL when voting here. Don't ruin this for us. For DT songs, I much prefer the League to a Survivor. Survivors highlight the negative too much. Least favourite this and least favourite that. At least with the league, we're mostly thinking about the songs we like.
That's why I moved away from doing survivor..... least favorite city......
Would it be worth having blank options in the poll between each match up? eg:
1. Learning to Live
1. Scarred
---Next Match below---
2. Metropolis
2. Fatal Tragedy
---Next Match below---
etc. etc.
Not sure what the max number of poll options is, but it might help separate things a little better for people's eyelines or something? Or maybe people just aren't reading the isntructions properly at all anyway :lol I wonder if the 'blank' options would get any votes :facepalm:
This is worth a shot. I'll try it next week. Thanks for the idea.
Don't cancel it, Doc. Let us just treat it as a controversial win with a blown call.
This
Disagree. I don't see the point in continuing this way if we can't get accurate results. This isn't a football game with multiple variables. We're talking about voting for 1 song in each matchup. It's that simple and the sum of the votes in each matchup should equal total members voted.
I see what you're saying, but I'm not going to let one or two people ruin the fun for everyone...if I can help it.
^ "Belay that. Let her run, straight and true."
Aye, what that pirate said.
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Division 3, Week 4 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43052.0
1. The Silent Man defeats The Answer Lies Within 18-10
2. Never Enough defeats To Live Forever 16-12
3. Wither defeats Along For the Ride 17-11
4. The Looking Glass defeats Only a Matter of Time 21-7
5. Far From Heaven defeats Anna Lee 17-11
6. The Killing Hand defeats False Awakening Suite 16-12
7. As I Am defeats Hollow Years 18-11
8. Honor Thy Father defeats Enigma Machine 20-8
9. New Millennium defeats A Rite of Passage 20-7
10. Beneath the Surface defeats A Fortune in Lies 17-11
11. Raise the Knife defeats I Walk Beside You 18-10
12. The Dark Eternal Night defeats Just Let Me Breathe 19-9
13. Forsaken defeats Constant Motion 15-13
14. Lost Not Forgotten defeats Ytse Jam 18-10
15. The Shattered Fortress defeats Eve 17-12
16. Vacant defeats Repentance 21-8
Division 3 Rankings after Week 4 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. As I Am 4-0 (+38)
2. Honor Thy Father 4-0 (+37)
3. The Silent Man 4-0 (+35)
4. The Looking Glass 4-0 (+23)
5. The Shattered Fortress 4-0 (+21)
6. Lost Not Forgotten 3-1 (+37)
7. Wither 3-1 (+20)
8. Vacant 3-1 (+19)
9. The Killing Hand 3-1 (+14)
10. Far From Heaven 3-1 (+14)
11. New Millennium 3-1 (+11)
12. Beneath the Surface 3-1 (+10)
13. Raise the Knife 3-1 (+10)
14. I Walk Beside You 2-1-1 (+2)
15. Hollow Years 2-2 (+7)
16. False Awakening Suite 2-2 (+2)
17. Ytse Jam 2-2 (-5)
18. Along for the Ride 2-2 (-17)
19. To Live Forever 1-2-1 (+4)
20. Constant Motion 1-2-1 (+1)
21. The Answer Lies Within 1-2-1 (-8)
22. The Dark Eternal Night 1-3 (-3)
23. A Fortune In Lies 1-3 (-17)
24. Forsaken 1-3 (-11)
25. Never Enough 1-3 (-13)
26. Only a Matter of Time 0-3-1 (-31)
27. Anna Lee 0-3-1 (-33)
28. Eve 0-4 (-14)
29. Enigma Machine 0-4 (-21)
30. Repentance 0-4 (-29)
31. A Rite of Passage 0-4 (-42)
32. Just Let Me Breathe 0-4 (-61)
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Division 2, Week 4 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43057.0
1. The Dance of Eternity & Erotomania draw 13-13
2. This is the Life defeats Behind the Veil 16-10
3. Endless Sacrifice defeats Surrender to Reason 19-9
4. Misunderstood defeats The Enemy Inside 22-7
5. This Dying Soul defeats On the Backs of Angels 18-10
6. These Walls defeats Innocence Faded 17-9
7. Wait For Sleep defeats One Last Time 17-9
8. Strange Déjà vu defeats The Root of All Evil 14-13
9. 6:00 defeats Lie 14-13
10. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Peruvian Skies 15-13
11. Through Her Eyes defeats Afterlife 16-10
12. Sacrificed Sons defeats The Best of Times 24-5
13. Surrounded defeats Outcry 19-7
14. Caught in a Web & The Bigger Picture draw 14-14
15. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats A Nightmare to Remember 15-14
16. Another Day defeats Panic Attack 17-10
Division 2 Rankings after Week 4 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Misunderstood 4-0 (+62)
2. Strange déjà vu 4-0 (+48)
3. Surrounded 4-0 (+48)
4. Endless Sacrifice 4-0 (+28)
5. The Ministry of Lost Souls 4-0 (+9)
6. These Walls 3-1 (+21)
7. The Root of All Evil 3-1 (+11)
8. This Dying Soul 3-1 (+11)
9. 6:00 3-1 (+8)
10. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 3-1 (+2)
11. The Bigger Picture 2-1-1 (+12)
12. The Dance of Eternity 2-1-1 (+9)
13. Caught in a Web 2-1-1 (+8)
14. Lie 2-2 (+13)
15. Another Day 2-2 (+8)
16. Wait For Sleep 2-2 (+6)
17. Peruvian Skies 2-2 (-7)
18. Surrender to Reason 2-2 (-7)
19. Outcry 2-2 (-10)
20. This is the Life 2-2 (-6)
21. Erotomania 1-2-1 (0)
22. Sacrificed Sons 1-3 (+12)
23. Panic Attack 1-3 (-5)
24. On the Backs of Angels 1-3 (-12)
25. The Enemy Inside 1-3 (-27)
26. Through Her Eyes 1-3 (-31)
27. A Nightmare to Remember 0-3-1 (-8)
28. One Last Time 0-3-1 (-36)
29. Innocence Faded 0-4 (-24)
30. Behind the Veil 0-4 (-26)
31. Afterlife 0-4 (-47)
32. The Best of Times 0-4 (-70)
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Division 1, Week 4 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43065.0
1. #16 The Glass Prison defeats #15 Disappear 20-15
2. #1 Breaking All Illusions defeats Stream of Consciousness 28-4
3. #7 Voices defeats The Mirror 21-12
4. #12. Lines in the Sand defeats Pull Me Under 25-8
5. In the Name of God defeats The Great Debate 19-15
6. In the Presence of Enemies defeats Bridges in the Sky 18-13
7. Take the Time defeats Fatal Tragedy 19-12
8. #8 The Spirit Carries On defeats #11 Space-Dye Vest 20-11
9. Illumination Theory defeats #4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 19-14
10. #10 Metropolis defeats Hell’s Kitchen 24-7
11. Trial of Tears defeats Overture 1928 21-10
12. #6 Scarred defeats Blind Faith 19-11
13. #14 Finally Free defeats Beyond This Life 21-12
14. #3 Octavarium defeats #13 Home 26-7
15. #2 A Change of Seasons defeats Under a Glass Moon 26-6
16. . #9 Learning to Live defeats #5 The Count of Tuscany 21-11
Division 1 Rankings after Week 4 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Breaking All Illusions 4-0 (+71)
2. A Change of Seasons 4-0 (+50)
3. Octavarium 4-0 (+47)
4. Scarred 4-0 (+20)
5. Voices 3-0-1 (+24)
6. The Spirit Carries On 3-0-1 (+14)
7. Metropolis 3-1 (+34)
8. Learning to Live 3-1 (+28)
9. Lines in the Sand 3-1 (+27)
10. Finally Free 3-1 (+17)
11. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 3-1 (+15)
12. The Count of Tuscany 3-1 (+2)
13. The Glass Prison 2-1-1 (+5)
14. Take the Time 2-2 (+11)
15. In the Name of God 2-2 (+4)
16. Space-Dye Vest 2-2 (+2)
17. Disappear 2-2 (0)
18. Illumination Theory 2-2 (-2)
19. Home 2-2 (-10)
20. Blind Faith 1-2-1 (-12)
21. Trial of Tears 1-3 (-8)
22. The Mirror 1-3 (-12)
23. In the Presence of Enemies 1-3 (-18)
24. The Great Debate 1-3 (-19)
25. Stream of Consciousness 1-3 (-24)
26. Fatal Tragedy 1-3 (-25)
27. Under a Glass Moon 1-3 (-37)
28. Beyond This Life 0-4 (-23)
29. Bridges in the Sky 0-4 (-24)
30. Hell’s Kitchen 0-4 (-45)
31. Overture 1928 0-4 (-41)
32. Pull Me Under 0-4 (-61)
Week 5 starts on Monday.
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The match between The Dance of Eternity and Erotomania was awesome. The lead changed quite a few times. Although I vastly prefer Dance, I'm glad they ended up tied. Those two along with Stream of Consciousness make up a kind of Big 3 of Dream Theater instrumentals.
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Don't cancel it, Doc. Let us just treat it as a controversial win with a blown call.
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Disagree. I don't see the point in continuing this way if we can't get accurate results. This isn't a football game with multiple variables. We're talking about voting for 1 song in each matchup. It's that simple and the sum of the votes in each matchup should equal total members voted.
I see what you're saying, but I'm not going to let one or two people ruin the fun for everyone...if I can help it.
Fair enough I suppose.
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I think one or two people not reading the poll question or OP is a lesser evil than people trolling the survivor - just keep going!
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Division 3, Week 5 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43095.0
1. The Silent Man defeats Only a Matter of Time 20-9
2. Along for the Ride defeats Anna Lee 18-11
3. The Killing Hand defeats To Live Forever 18-9
4. Hollow Years defeats The Answer Lies Within 18-11
5. Never Enough defeats Enigma Machine 16-13
6. Wither defeats A Rite of Passage 23-7
7. Beneath the Surface defeats The Looking Glass 16-13
8. Far From Heaven defeats Raise the Knife 16-13
9. False Awakening Suite defeats Just Let Me Breathe 20-10
10. As I Am defeats Forsaken 23-7
11. Honor Thy Father & Ytse Jam draw 15-15
12. New Millennium defeats Eve 15-14
13. Vacant defeats A Fortune in Lies 18-11
14. I Walk Beside You defeats Repentance 17-13
15. Shattered Fortress defeats The Dark Eternal Night 20-10
16. Lost Not Forgotten defeat Constant Motion 18-12
Division 3 Rankings after Week 5 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. As I Am 5-0 (+54)
2. The Silent Man 5-0 (+46)
3. The Shattered Fortress 5-0 (+31)
4. Honor Thy Father 4-0-1 (+37)
5. Lost Not Forgotten 4-1 (+43)
6. Wither 4-1 (+36)
7. Vacant 4-1 (+26)
8. The Killing Hand 4-1 (+23)
9. The Looking Glass 4-1 (+20)
10. Far From Heaven 4-1 (+17)
11. Beneath the Surface 4-1 (+13)
12. New Millennium 4-1 (+12)
13. I Walk Beside You 3-1-1 (+6)
14. Hollow Years 3-2 (+14)
15. False Awakening Suite 3-2 (+12)
16. Raise the Knife 3-2 (+7)
17. Along for the Ride 3-2 (-10)
18. Ytse Jam 2-2-1 (-5)
19. Never Enough 2-3 (-10)
20. Constant Motion 1-3-1 (-5)
21. To Live Forever 1-3-1 (-5)
22. The Answer Lies Within 1-3-1 (-15)
23. The Dark Eternal Night 1-4 (-13)
24. A Fortune In Lies 1-4 (-24)
25. Forsaken 1-4 (-27)
26. Anna Lee 0-4-1 (-40)
27. Only a Matter of Time 0-4-1 (-42)
28. Eve 0-5 (-15)
29. Enigma Machine 0-5 (-24)
30. Repentance 0-5 (-33)
31. A Rite of Passage 0-5 (-58)
32. Just Let Me Breathe 0-5 (-71)
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Division 2, Week 5 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43101.0
1. The Dance of Eternity defeats Lie 17-15
2. Strange Déjà vu defeats Peruvian Skies 20-12
3. Wait For Sleep defeats Through Her Eyes 22-10
4. Innocence Faded defeats The Best of Times 22-11
5. Surrounded defeats This Dying Soul 21-11
6. Caught in a Web defeats The Enemy Inside 18-14
7. Surrender to Reason defeats A Nightmare to Remember 19-14
8. Another Day defeats This is the Life 17-15
9. Erotomania defeats Panic Attack 17-14
10. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats Behind the Veil 19-13
11. Endless Sacrifice defeats The Bigger Picture 22-11
12. Misunderstood defeats Outcry 21-12
13. Sacrificed Sons defeats On the Backs of Angels 22-11
14. These Walls defeats Afterlife 28-4
15. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats One Last Time 21-11
16. 6:00 defeats The Root of All Evil 17-16
Division 2 Rankings after Week 5 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Misunderstood 5-0 (+71)
2. Surrounded 5-0 (+58)
3. Strange déjà vu 5-0 (+56)
4. Endless Sacrifice 5-0 (+39)
5. The Ministry of Lost Souls 5-0 (+15)
6. These Walls 4-1 (+45)
7. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 4-1 (+12)
8. 6:00 4-1 (+9)
9. Caught in a Web 3-1-1 (+12)
10. The Dance of Eternity 3-1-1 (+11)
11. Wait For Sleep 3-2 (+18)
12. Another Day 3-2 (+10)
13. The Root of All Evil 3-2 (+10)
14. This Dying Soul 3-2 (+1)
15. Surrender to Reason 3-2 (-2)
16. Erotomania 2-2-1 (+3)
17. The Bigger Picture 2-2-1 (+1)
18. Lie 2-3 (+11)
19. This is the Life 2-3 (-8)
20. Peruvian Skies 2-3 (-15)
21. Outcry 2-3 (-19)
22. Sacrificed Sons 2-3 (+23)
23. Panic Attack 1-4 (-8)
24. Innocence Faded 1-4 (-13)
25. On the Backs of Angels 1-4 (-23)
26. The Enemy Inside 1-4 (-31)
27. Through Her Eyes 1-4 (-43)
28. A Nightmare to Remember 0-4-1 (-13)
29. One Last Time 0-4-1 (-46)
30. Behind the Veil 0-5 (-32)
31. Afterlife 0-5 (-71)
32. The Best of Times 0-5 (-81)
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Division 1, Week 5 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43109.0
1. #14 Take the Time defeats #12 The Count of Tuscany 19-13
2. In the Presence of Enemies defeats The Great Debate 19-14
3. #5 Voices defeats Disappear 22-11
4. #1 Breaking All Illusions defeats Bridges in the Sky 26-6
5. Trial of Tears defeats Illumination Theory 23-9
6. Blind Faith defeats Pull Me Under 18-15
7. #8 Learning to Live defeats #10 Finally Free 19-13
8. #7 Metropolis & #11 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence draw 16-16
9. #13 The Glass Prison defeats Home 17-15
10. #2 A Change of Seasons defeats #15 In the Name of God 22-11
11. Under a Glass Moon & The Mirror draw 16-16
12. #3 Octavarium defeats Fatal Tragedy 28-5
13. #16 Space-Dye Vest defeats Beyond This Life 18-15
14. #4 Scarred defeats Hell’s Kitchen 24-8
15. Stream of Consciousness defeats Overture 1928 18-14
16. #9 Lines in the Sand defeats #6 The Spirit Carries On 20-11
Division 1 Rankings after Week 5 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Breaking All Illusions 5-0 (+91)
2. Octavarium 5-0 (+70)
3. A Change of Seasons 5-0 (+61)
4. Scarred 5-0 (+36)
5. Voices 4-0-1 (+35)
6. Lines in the Sand 4-1 (+36)
7. Learning to Live 4-1 (+34)
8. Metropolis 3-1-1 (+34)
9. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 3-1-1 (+15)
10. The Glass Prison 3-1-1 (+7)
11. The Spirit Carries On 3-1-1 (+5)
12. Take the Time 3-2 (+17)
13. Finally Free 3-2 (+11)
14. Space-Dye Vest 3-2 (+5)
15. The Count of Tuscany 3-2 (-4)
16. Blind Faith 2-2-1 (-9)
17. Trial of Tears 2-3 (+6)
18. In the Name of God 2-3 (-7)
19. Disappear 2-3 (-11)
20. Home 2-3 (-12)
21. Illumination Theory 2-3 (-16)
22. In the Presence of Enemies 2-3 (-13)
23. Stream of Consciousness 2-3 (-20)
24. The Mirror 1-3-1 (-12)
25. Under a Glass Moon 1-3-1 (-37)
26. The Great Debate 1-4 (-24)
27. Fatal Tragedy 1-4 (-48)
28. Beyond This Life 0-5 (-26)
29. Bridges in the Sky 0-5 (-44)
30. Overture 1928 0-5 (-45)
31. Hell’s Kitchen 0-5 (-61)
32. Pull Me Under 0-5 (-64)
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A concert with the current Top 10 songs would be glorious.
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Division 3, Week 6 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43135.0
1. Far From Heaven defeats Beneath the Surface 13-12
2. The Shattered Fortress defeats Constant Motion 17-9
3. Repentance defeats The Dark Eternal Night 14-12
4. Vacant defeats I Walk Beside You 16-9
5. A Fortune in Lies defeats Eve 15-10
6. Ytse Jam defeats New Millennium 14-11
7. Honor Thy Father defeats Forsaken 16-10
8. As I Am defeats Just Let Me Breathe 21-5
9. False Awakening Suite defeats Raise the Knife 13-12
10. The Looking Glass defeats A Rite of Passage 15-11
11. Wither defeats Enigma Machine 16-10
12. Hollow Years defeats Never Enough 14-11
13. The Killing Hand defeats The Answer Lies Within 15-10
14. To Live Forever defeats Anna Lee 14-11
15. Along for the Ride defeats Only a Matter of Time 13-12
16. Lost Not Forgotten defeats The Silent Man 14-11
Division 3 Rankings after Week 6 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. As I Am 6-0 (+70)
2. The Shattered Fortress 6-0 (+39)
3. Honor Thy Father 5-0-1 (+43)
4. Lost Not Forgotten 5-1 (+46)
5. The Silent Man 5-1 (+43)
6. Wither 5-1 (+42)
7. Vacant 5-1 (+33)
8. The Killing Hand 5-1 (+28)
9. The Looking Glass 5-1 (+24)
10. Far From Heaven 5-1 (+18)
11. Hollow Years 4-2 (+17)
12. False Awakening Suite 4-2 (+13)
13. Beneath the Surface 4-2 (+12)
14. New Millennium 4-2 (+9)
15. Along for the Ride 4-2 (-9)
16. I Walk Beside You 3-2-1 (-1)
17. Ytse Jam 3-2-1 (-2)
18. Raise the Knife 3-3 (+6)
19. To Live Forever 2-3-1 (-2)
20. Never Enough 2-4 (-13)
21. A Fortune In Lies 2-4 (-19)
22. Constant Motion 1-4-1 (-13)
23. The Answer Lies Within 1-4-1 (-20)
24. The Dark Eternal Night 1-5 (-15)
25. Repentance 1-5 (-31)
26. Forsaken 1-5 (-33)
27. Anna Lee 0-5-1 (-43)
28. Only a Matter of Time 0-5-1 (-43)
29. Eve 0-6 (-20)
30. Enigma Machine 0-6 (-30)
31. A Rite of Passage 0-6 (-62)
32. Just Let Me Breathe 0-6 (-87)
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Division 2, Week 6 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43143.0
1. The Ministry of Lost Souis defeats The Dance of Eternity 15-14
2. The Bigger Picture defeats Panic Attack 17-14
3. Another Day defeats Outcry 16-14
4. Sacrificed Sons defeats A Nightmare to Remember 18-13
5. Caught in a Web defeats Afterlife 21-9
6. Surrounded defeats Lifting Shadows off a Dream 23-7
7. 6:00 defeats The Best of Times 19-11
8. The Root of All Evil defeats Through Her Eyes 26-5
9. Peruvian Skies defeats One Last Time 19-11
10. These Walls defeats Lie 16-14
11. Strange Déjà vu defeats On the Backs of Angels 18-11
12. Misunderstood defeats Wait For Sleep 18-14
13. Endless Sacrifice defeats Innocence Faded 23-8
14. This Dying Soul defeats Behind the Veil 16-15
15. Erotomania defeats The Enemy Inside 17-11
16. Surrender to Reason defeats This is the Life 18-12
Division 2 Rankings after Week 6 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Misunderstood 6-0 (+75)
2. Surrounded 6-0 (+74)
3. Strange déjà vu 6-0 (+63)
4. Endless Sacrifice 6-0 (+54)
5. The Ministry of Lost Souls 6-0 (+16)
6. These Walls 5-1 (+47)
7. 6:00 5-1 (+17)
8. Caught in a Web 4-1-1 (+24)
9. The Root of All Evil 4-2 (+31)
10. Another Day 4-2 (+12)
11. Surrender to Reason 4-2 (+4)
12. This Dying Soul 4-2 (+2)
13. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 4-2 (-4)
14. The Dance of Eternity 3-2-1 (+10)
15. Erotomania 3-2-1 (+9)
16. The Bigger Picture 3-2-1 (+4)
17. Sacrificed Sons 3-3 (+28)
18. Wait For Sleep 3-3 (+14)
19. Peruvian Skies 3-3 (-7)
20. Lie 2-4 (+9)
21. This is the Life 2-4 (-14)
22. Outcry 2-4 (-21)
23. Panic Attack 1-5 (-11)
24. Innocence Faded 1-5 (-28)
25. On the Backs of Angels 1-5 (-30)
26. The Enemy Inside 1-5 (-37)
27. Through Her Eyes 1-5 (-64)
28. A Nightmare to Remember 0-5-1 (-18)
29. One Last Time 0-5-1 (-54)
30. Behind the Veil 0-6 (-33)
31. Afterlife 0-6 (-83)
32. The Best of Times 0-6 (-89)
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Division 1, Week 6 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43150.0
1. #9 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats In the Name of God 19-13
2. In the Presence of Enemies defeats Pull Me Under 17-14
3. #7 Learning to Live defeats Illumination Theory 21-10
4. Bridges in the Sky & #10 The Glass Prison draw 16-16
5. #6 Lines in the Sand defeats The Mirror 16-15
6. Fatal Tragedy defeats #15 The Count of Tuscany 16-15
7. #14 Space-Dye Vest defeats Disappear 20-12
8. #4 Scarred defeats #11 The Spirit Carries On 20-11
9. Hell’s Kitchen defeats The Great Debate 20-12
10. #5 Voices defeats Stream of Consciousness 22-9
11. #12 Take the Time defeats Overture 1928 24-7
12. #8 Metropolis defeats Beyond This Life 24-7
13. Trial of Tears defeats Under a Glass Moon 20-11
14. #3 A Change of Seasons defeats #16 Blind Faith 25-7
15. #13 Finally Free defeats Home 16-15
16. #2 Octavarium defeats #1 Breaking All Illusions 17-15
Division 1 Rankings after Week 6 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. A Change of Seasons 6-0 (+79)
2. Octavarium 6-0 (+72)
3. Scarred 6-0 (+45)
4. Voices 5-0-1 (+48)
5. Breaking All Illusions 5-1 (+89)
6. Learning to Live 5-1 (+45)
7. Lines in the Sand 5-1 (+37)
8. Metropolis 4-1-1 (+51)
9. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 4-1-1 (+21)
10. Take the Time 4-2 (+34)
11. Space-Dye Vest 4-2 (+13)
12. Finally Free 4-2 (+12)
13. The Glass Prison 3-1-2 (+7)
14. The Spirit Carries On 3-2-1 (-4)
15. Trial of Tears 3-3 (+15)
16. The Count of Tuscany 3-3 (-5)
17. In the Presence of Enemies 3-3 (-10)
18. Blind Faith 2-3-1 (-27)
19. Home 2-4 (-12)
20. In the Name of God 2-4 (-13)
21. Disappear 2-4 (-19)
22. Illumination Theory 2-4 (-27)
23. Stream of Consciousness 2-4 (-33)
24. Fatal Tragedy 2-4 (-47)
25. The Mirror 1-4-1 (-13)
26. Under a Glass Moon 1-4-1 (-46)
27. The Great Debate 1-5 (-32)
28. Hell’s Kitchen 1-5 (-53)
29. Bridges in the Sky 0-5-1 (-44)
30. Beyond This Life 0-6 (-43)
31. Overture 1928 0-6 (-62)
32. Pull Me Under 0-6 (-67)
Have a good weekend. Week Seven starts on Monday.
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I just noticed that Through My Words isn't in the league, nor in the survivors (4th division).. Why's that?...I don't think you have forgot it...
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I just noticed that Through My Words isn't in the league, nor in the survivors (4th division).. Why's that?...I don't think you have forgot it...
In the old years, it was an automatic 0-20. Maybe I'll add it to the 4th division.
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I just noticed that Through My Words isn't in the league, nor in the survivors (4th division).. Why's that?...I don't think you have forgot it...
In the old years, it was an automatic 0-20. Maybe I'll add it to the 4th division.
Maybe you should.. I mean, it's the only one missing of their whole catalogue, and according to your stats from the latest competition, all these songs had pretty bad records too..
Burning My Soul 0-21 .000
Raw Dog 0-20 .000
The Ones Who Help To Set the Sun 0-21.000
The Way It Used to Be 0-20 .000
You Not Me 0-21 .000
You or Me 0-20 .000
Personally, I like it more than a lot of other songs among all divisions..
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You are the one.
I mean, it's OK to add it for completeness, but it won't win anything except maybe against one of these other winless songs.
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I'd add it. Just my two cents. Especially since you do have Raw Dog. :)
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I think the current system is fine, because I doubt TMW (or any of the songs that aren't in the third division at the moment) would ever win a match.
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I'd add it. Just my two cents. Especially since you do have Raw Dog. :)
A good point that I had not considered.
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Division 3, Week 7 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43175.0
1. The Silent Man defeats A Fortune in Lies 19-12
2. New Millennium defeats I Walk Beside You 19-13
3. Honor Thy Father defeats The Dark Eternal Night 21-11
4. As I Am defeats Constant Motion 23-8
5. Lost Not Forgotten defeats False Awakening Suite 22-8
6. The Shattered Fortress defeats Far From Heaven 21-11
7. The Looking Glass defeats Repentance 18-14
8. Eve defeats Never Enough 18-13
9. Ytse Jam defeats The Answer Lies Within 19-12
10. Forsaken defeats To Live Forever 18-13
11. Along For the Ride defeats Just Let Me Breathe 20-10
12. Only a Matter of Time defeats Raise the Knife 17-13
13. Beneath the Surface defeats Anna Lee 17-14
14. The Killing Hand defeats A Rite of Passage 21-9
15. Hollow Years defeats Enigma Machine 17-14
16. Vacant defeats Wither 17-15
Division 3 Rankings after Week 7 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. As I Am 7-0 (+85)
2. The Shattered Fortress 7-0 (+49)
3. Honor Thy Father 6-0-1 (+53)
4. Lost Not Forgotten 6-1 (+60)
5. The Silent Man 6-1 (+50)
6. Vacant 6-1 (+35)
7. The Killing Hand 6-1 (+28)
8. The Looking Glass 6-1 (+28)
9. Wither 5-2 (+40)
10. Hollow Years 5-2 (+20)
11. Beneath the Surface 5-2 (+15)
12. New Millennium 5-2 (+15)
13. Far From Heaven 5-2 (+8)
14. Along for the Ride 5-2 (+1)
15. Ytse Jam 4-2-1 (+5)
16. False Awakening Suite 4-3 (-1)
17. I Walk Beside You 3-3-1 (-7)
18. Raise the Knife 3-4 (+2)
19. To Live Forever 2-4-1 (-7)
20. Never Enough 2-5 (-18)
21. A Fortune In Lies 2-5 (-26)
22. Forsaken 2-5 (-28)
23. The Answer Lies Within 1-5-1 (-27)
24. Constant Motion 1-5-1 (-28)
25. Only a Matter of Time 1-5-1 (-39)
26. Eve 1-6 (-15)
27. The Dark Eternal Night 1-6 (-25)
28. Repentance 1-6 (-35)
29. Anna Lee 0-6-1 (-46)
30. Enigma Machine 0-7 (-33)
31. A Rite of Passage 0-7 (-74)
32. Just Let Me Breathe 0-7 (-97)
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Division 2, Week 7 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43179.0
1. The Dance of Eternity defeats Innocence Faded 14-12
2. Wait For Sleep defeats This Dying Soul 17-10
3. Strange déjà vu defeats The Enemy Inside 20-5
4. Surrender to Reason defeats Lie 15-11
5. Peruvian Skies defeats This is the Life 13-12
6. Erotomania defeats Through Her Eyes 16-10
7. Behind the Veil defeats The Best of Times 18-9
8. On the Backs of Angels defeats A Nightmare to Remember 14-13
9. These Walls defeats Another Day 15-12
10. Panic Attack defeats One Last Time 16-11
11. The Bigger Picture defeats 6:00 14-11
12. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Outcry 16-10
13. Sacrificed Sons defeats Afterlife 22-4
14. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats The Root of All Evil 14-12
15. Misunderstood defeats Caught in a Web 18-9
16. Surrounded defeats Endless Sacrifice 16-11
Division 2 Rankings after Week 7 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Misunderstood 7-0 (+84)
2. Surrounded 7-0 (+79)
3. Strange déjà vu 7-0 (+78)
4. The Ministry of Lost Souls 7-0 (+18)
5. These Walls 6-1 (+50)
6. Endless Sacrifice 6-1 (+49)
7. 6:00 5-2 (+14)
8. Surrender to Reason 5-2 (+8)
9. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 5-2 (+2)
10. Caught in a Web 4-2-1 (+15)
11. Erotomania 4-2-1 (+15)
12. The Dance of Eternity 4-2-1 (+12)
13. The Bigger Picture 4-2-1 (+7)
14. Sacrificed Sons 4-3 (+46)
15. The Root of All Evil 4-3 (+29)
16. Wait For Sleep 4-3 (+21)
17. Another Day 4-3 (+9)
18. This Dying Soul 4-3 (-5)
19. Peruvian Skies 4-3 (-6)
20. Lie 2-5 (+5)
21. Panic Attack 2-5 (-6)
22. This is the Life 2-5 (-15)
23. Outcry 2-5 (-27)
24. On the Backs of Angels 2-5 (-29)
25. Behind the Veil 1-6 (-24)
26. Innocence Faded 1-6 (-30)
27. The Enemy Inside 1-6 (-52)
28. Through Her Eyes 1-6 (-70)
29. A Nightmare to Remember 0-6-1 (-19)
30. One Last Time 0-6-1 (-59)
31. The Best of Times 0-7 (-98)
32. Afterlife 0-7 (-101)
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Division 1, Week 7 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43184.0
1. #15 Trial of Tears defeats #13 The Glass Prison 18-13
2. In the Presence of Enemies defeats #3 Scarred 15-14
3. Beyond This Life defeats Overture 1928 19-11
4. #1 A Change of Seasons defeats #11 Space-Dye Vest 22-9
5. #2 Octavarium defeats Stream of Consciousness 27-4
6. Under a Glass Moon defeats Hell’s Kitchen 15-14
7. #16 The Count of Tuscany defeats Disappear 19-12
8. #9 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats #4 Voices 18-12
9. #12 Finally Free defeats The Mirror 17-14
10. In the Name of God defeats Blind Faith 19-12
11. #8 Metropolis defeats Pull Me Under 26-4
12. #14 The Spirit Carries On defeats Illumination Theory 17-13
13. #10 Take the Time defeats Bridges in the Sky 19-11
14. #7 Lines in the Sand defeats The Great Debate 18-13
15. Home defeats Fatal Tragedy 18-12
16. #5 Breaking All Illusions defeats #6 Learning to Live 17-14
Division 1 Rankings after Week 7 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Octavarium 7-0 (+95)
2. A Change of Seasons 7-0 (+92)
3. Breaking All Illusions 6-1 (+92)
4. Scarred 6-1 (+44)
5. Lines in the Sand 6-1 (+42)
6. Metropolis 5-1-1 (+73)
7. Voices 5-1-1 (+42)
8. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 5-1-1 (+27)
9. Learning to Live 5-2 (+42)
10. Take the Time 5-2 (+42)
11. Finally Free 5-2 (+15)
12. The Spirit Carries On 4-2-1 (0)
13. Trial of Tears 4-3 (+20)
14. The Count of Tuscany 4-3 (+2)
15. The Glass Prison 3-2-2 (+2)
16. Space-Dye Vest 4-3 (0)
17. In the Presence of Enemies 4-3 (-9)
18. Home 3-4 (-6)
19. In the Name of God 3-4 (-6)
20. Blind Faith 2-4-1 (-34)
21. Under a Glass Moon 2-4-1 (-45)
22. Disappear 2-5 (-26)
23. Illumination Theory 2-5 (-31)
24. Fatal Tragedy 2-5 (-53)
25. Stream of Consciousness 2-5 (-56)
26. The Mirror 1-5-1 (-16)
27. The Great Debate 1-6 (-37)
28. Beyond This Life 1-6 (-38)
29. Hell’s Kitchen 1-6 (-54)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-6-1 (-52)
31. Overture 1928 0-7 (-70)
32. Pull Me Under 0-7 (-89)
Week 8 starts tomorrow.
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Division 3, Week 8 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43201.0
1. The Silent Man & Honor Thy Father is a draw at 14-14
2. A Fortune in Lies defeats False Awakening Suite 18-11
3. I Walk Beside You defeats Far From Heaven 15-14
4. The Looking Glass defeats The Dark Eternal Night 17-12
5. Wither defeats Constant Motion 20-9
6. Lost Not Forgotten defeats Never Enough 21-7
7. The Shattered Fortress defeats The Answer Lies Within 21-9
8. Repentance defeats To Live Forever 15-14
9. Vacant defeats Along For the Ride 19-10
10. Eve defeats Only a Matter of Time 18-10
11. Ytse Jam defeats Anna Lee 17-12
12. The Killing Hand defeats Forsaken 19-10
13. Hollow Years defeats Just Let Me Breathe 25-3
14. Raise the Knife defeats Enigma Machine 18-10
15. Beneath the Surface defeats A Rite of Passage 20-8
16. As I Am defeats New Millennium 20-11
Division 3 Rankings after Week 8 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. As I Am 8-0 (+94)
2. The Shattered Fortress 8-0 (+61)
3. Lost Not Forgotten 7-1 (+74)
4. Honor Thy Father 6-0-2 (+53)
5. Vacant 7-1 (+44)
6. The Killing Hand 7-1 (+37)
7. The Looking Glass 7-1 (+33)
8. The Silent Man 6-1-1 (+50)
9. Wither 6-2 (+51)
10. Hollow Years 6-2 (+42)
11. Beneath the Surface 6-2 (+27)
12. Ytse Jam 5-2-1 (+10)
13. Far From Heaven 5-3 (+7)
14. New Millennium 5-3 (+6)
15. Along for the Ride 5-3 (-8)
16. I Walk Beside You 4-3-1 (-6)
17. Raise the Knife 4-4 (+10)
18. False Awakening Suite 4-4 (-8)
19. A Fortune In Lies 3-5 (-19)
20. To Live Forever 2-5-1 (-8)
21. Eve 2-6 (-7)
22. Never Enough 2-6 (-32)
23. Repentance 2-6 (-34)
24. Forsaken 2-6 (-37)
25. The Answer Lies Within 1-6-1 (-39)
26. Constant Motion 1-6-1 (-39)
27. Only a Matter of Time 1-6-1 (-47)
28. The Dark Eternal Night 1-7 (-30)
29. Anna Lee 0-7-1 (-51)
30. Enigma Machine 0-8 (-41)
31. A Rite of Passage 0-8 (-86)
32. Just Let Me Breathe 0-8 (-119)
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Division 1, Week 7 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43206.0
1. The Dance of Eternity defeats Caught in a Web 17-12
2. Surrounded defeats A Nightmare to Remember 20-10
3. Another Day defeats The Best of Times 21-9
4. Panic Attack defeats Through Her Eyes 21-10
5. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats Peruvian Skies 15-14
6. The Bigger Picture defeats Lie 18-11
7. Outcry defeats Strange déjà vu 15-13
8. Sacrificed Sons defeats Wait For Sleep 17-12
9. Innocence Faded defeats Afterlife 20-9
10. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats This Dying Soul 18-12
11. 6:00 defeats The Enemy Inside 19-9
12. The Root of All Evil defeats Surrender to Reason 16-14
13. This is the Life defeats One Last Time 17-12
14. These Walls defeats Erotomania 17-12
15. On the Backs of Angels defeats Behind the Veil 15-13
16. Misunderstood defeats Endless Sacrifice 17-13
Division 2 Rankings after Week 8 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Surrounded 8-0 (+89)
2. Misunderstood 8-0 (+88)
3. The Ministry of Lost Souls 8-0 (+19)
4. Strange déjà vu 7-1 (+76)
5. These Walls 7-1 (+55)
6. Endless Sacrifice 6-2 (+45)
7. 6:00 6-2 (+24)
8. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 6-2 (+8)
9. The Dance of Eternity 5-2-1 (+17)
10. The Bigger Picture 5-2-1 (+14)
11. Sacrificed Sons 5-3 (+51)
12. The Root of All Evil 5-3 (+31)
13. Another Day 5-3 (+21)
14. Surrender to Reason 5-3 (+6)
15. Erotomania 4-3-1 (+20)
16. Caught in a Web 4-3-1 (+10)
17. Wait For Sleep 4-4 (+16)
18. Peruvian Skies 4-4 (-7)
19. This Dying Soul 4-4 (-11)
20. Panic Attack 3-5 (+5)
21. This is the Life 3-5 (-10)
22. Outcry 3-5 (-25)
23. On the Backs of Angels 3-5 (-27)
24. Lie 2-6 (-2)
25. Innocence Faded 2-6 (-19)
26. Behind the Veil 1-7 (-26)
27. The Enemy Inside 1-7 (-62)
28. Through Her Eyes 1-7 (-81)
29. A Nightmare to Remember 0-7-1 (-29)
30. One Last Time 0-7-1 (-64)
31. The Best of Times 0-8 (-110)
32. Afterlife 0-8 (-112)
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Division 1, Week 8 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43214.0
1. #16 Space-Dye Vest defeats In the Presence of Enemies 16-12
2. Fatal Tragedy defeats Hell’s Kitchen 18-10
3. The Mirror defeats Stream of Consciousness 17-11
4. In the Name of God defeats Overture 1928 18-10
5. #4 Scarred defeats #15 The Glass Prison 18-10
6. #9 Learning to Live defeats Beyond This Life 20-8
7. #1 Octavarium defeats Pull Me Under 26-3
8. #10 Take the Time defeats #12 The Spirit Carries On 18-9
9. Illumination Theory defeats Under a Glass Moon 17-11
10. #2 A Change of Seasons defeats Bridges in the Sky 22-6
11. Home defeats #8 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 16-11
12. #5 Lines in the Sand defeats #11 Finally Free 14-13
13. #14 The Count of Tuscany defeats Blind Faith 19-10
14. #13 Trial of Tears defeats Disappear 18-11
15. #3 Breaking All Illusions defeats The Great Debate 25-4
16. #6 Metropolis defeats #7 Voices 19-9
Division 1 Rankings after Week 8 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Octavarium 8-0 (+118)
2. A Change of Seasons 8-0 (+108)
3. Breaking All Illusions 7-1 (+113)
4. Scarred 7-1 (+48)
5. Lines in the Sand 7-1 (+43)
6. Metropolis 6-1-1 (+83)
7. Learning to Live 6-2 (+54)
8. Take the Time 6-2 (+51)
9. Voices 5-2-1 (+32)
10. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 5-2-1 (+22)
11. Trial of Tears 5-3 (+27)
12. Finally Free 5-3 (+14)
13. The Count of Tuscany 5-3 (+11)
14. Space-Dye Vest 5-3 (+4)
15. The Spirit Carries On 4-3-1 (-9)
16. In the Name of God 4-4 (+2)
17. Home 4-4 (-1)
18. The Glass Prison 3-3-2 (-6)
19. In the Presence of Enemies 4-4 (-13)
20. Illumination Theory 3-5 (-25)
21. Fatal Tragedy 3-5 (-45)
22. The Mirror 2-5-1 (-10)
23. Blind Faith 2-5-1 (-43)
24. Under a Glass Moon 2-5-1 (-51)
25. Disappear 2-6 (-33)
26. Stream of Consciousness 2-6 (-62)
27. Beyond This Life 1-7 (-50)
28. The Great Debate 1-7 (-58)
29. Hell’s Kitchen 1-7 (-62)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-7-1 (-68)
31. Overture 1928 0-8 (-78)
32. Pull Me Under 0-8 (-112)
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How long is this tournament? How many weeks?
(Go go TDOE!)
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How long is this tournament? How many weeks?
(Go go TDOE!)
The season is 20 weeks long. After that, we'll have the Album and Division Tournaments.
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Just looking over some of the division listings. It's so strange seeing Surrounded in Division 2 while Hell's Kitchen is in Division 1. Though it does appear that could change soon,.
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Why only 20 weeks when each league has 32 songs? Surely we want each song to face each other? How can you decide which songs don't go against each other?
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I think there should just be a league 4 which will make each division smaller and the competition shorter. The "relegated" songs will get a chance to compete too.
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Why only 20 weeks when each league has 32 songs? Surely we want each song to face each other? How can you decide which songs don't go against each other?
That won't necessarily happen anyway. With the ability of a song to jump from one division to the next, it might take far more than 32 weeks for a song to face each song in its division.
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Why only 20 weeks when each league has 32 songs?
Because it will take forever.
20 weeks is plenty long enough to get a good read on how each song ranks relative to the rest of the field.
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How are the matches calculated? Is it like a swiss tournament?
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How are the matches calculated? Is it like a swiss tournament?
I would imagine all of the necessary information is in the OP.
But regardless, it's basically an arbitrary thing, done for entertainment purposes. And DoC does a hell of a job with this every year.
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How are the matches calculated? Is it like a swiss tournament?
I would imagine all of the necessary information is in the OP.
But regardless, it's basically an arbitrary thing, done for entertainment purposes. And DoC does a hell of a job with this every year.
I checked the first post and couldn't find the information on how are the pairings done, and don't know how they are usually done in sports. This format for "DT the League" makes things exciting, and I'm a bit curious about it.
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How are the matches calculated? Is it like a swiss tournament?
I would imagine all of the necessary information is in the OP.
But regardless, it's basically an arbitrary thing, done for entertainment purposes. And DoC does a hell of a job with this every year.
I checked the first post and couldn't find the information on how are the pairings done, and don't know how they are usually done in sports. This format for "DT the League" makes things exciting, and I'm a bit curious about it.
I use an online schedule maker to generate a round robin tournament, which for 32 songs is 31 rounds numbered 1-31. I then go to random.org to generate a random sequence of numbers 1-31 and take the top 20 numbers to determine which of the 31 rounds I use for the 20 week season.
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Division 3, Week 9 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43243.0
1. Raise the Knife defeats The Silent Man 15-11
2. Beneath the Surface defeats Just Let Me Breathe 22-4
3. Forsaken defeats A Rite of Passage 15-10
4. Ytse Jam defeats Enigma Machine 16-8
5. Hollow Years defeats Eve 16-10
6. The Killing Hand & Vacant draw at 13-13
7. Repentance defeats Anna Lee 14-13
8. The Shattered Fortress defeats Only a Matter of Time 18-8
9. Lost Not Forgotten defeats Along For the Ride 18-8
10. Constant Motion defeats To Live Forever 17-9
11. The Dark Eternal Night defeats The Answer Lies Within 14-12
12. I Walk Beside You defeats Never Enough 15-11
13. Wither defeats A Fortune in Lies 14-12
14. The Looking Glass defeats New Millennium 15-12
15. Far From Heaven defeats Honor Thy Father 16-10
16. As I Am defeats False Awakening Suite 20-7
Division 3 Rankings after Week 9 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. As I Am 9-0 (+107)
2. The Shattered Fortress 9-0 (+71)
3. Lost Not Forgotten 8-1 (+84)
4. The Looking Glass 8-1 (+36)
5. Vacant 7-1-1 (+44)
6. The Killing Hand 7-1-1 (+37)
7. Wither 7-2 (+53)
8. Hollow Years 7-2 (+48)
9. Honor Thy Father 6-1-2 (+47)
10. Beneath the Surface 7-2 (+45)
11. The Silent Man 6-2-1 (+46)
12. Ytse Jam 6-2-1 (+18)
13. Far From Heaven 6-3 (+13)
14. I Walk Beside You 5-3-1 (-2)
15. Raise the Knife 5-4 (+14)
16. New Millennium 5-4 (+3)
17. Along for the Ride 5-4 (-18)
18. False Awakening Suite 4-5 (-21)
19. A Fortune In Lies 3-6 (-21)
20. Forsaken 3-6 (-32)
21. Repentance 3-6 (-33)
22. To Live Forever 2-6-1 (-16)
23. Constant Motion 2-6-1 (-31)
24. Eve 2-7 (-13)
25. The Dark Eternal Night 2-7 (-28)
26. Never Enough 2-7 (-36)
27. The Answer Lies Within 1-7-1 (-41)
28. Only a Matter of Time 1-7-1 (-57)
29. Anna Lee 0-8-1 (-52)
30. Enigma Machine 0-9 (-49)
31. A Rite of Passage 0-9 (-91)
32. Just Let Me Breathe 0-9 (-137)
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Division 2, Week 9 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43249.0
1. The Dance of Eternity defeats Wait For Sleep 18-11
2. Strange déjà vu defeats Innocence Faded 21-8
3. Lie defeats This Dying Soul 17-12
4. Peruvian Skies defeats The Enemy Inside 19-10
5. Surrender to Reason defeats Through Her Eyes 21-8
6. This Is the Life defeats The Best of Times 20-9
7. Surrounded defeats Erotomania 21-8
8. Caught in a Web defeats Behind the Veil 15-14
9. Endless Sacrifice defeats A Nightmare to Remember 17-13
10. Misunderstood defeats Another Day 18-12
11. On the Backs of Angels defeats Panic Attack 16-14
12. The Bigger Picture defeats One Last Time 21-8
13. The Root of All Evil defeats Outcry 17-13
14. Sacrificed Sons defeats 6:00 16-13
15. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Afterlife 21-8
16. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats These Walls 17-12
Division 2 Rankings after Week 9 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Surrounded 9-0 (+102)
2. Misunderstood 9-0 (+94)
3. The Ministry of Lost Souls 9-0 (+24)
4. Strange déjà vu 8-1 (+89)
5. These Walls 7-2 (+50)
6. Endless Sacrifice 7-2 (+49)
7. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 7-2 (+21)
8. The Bigger Picture 6-2-1 (+27)
9. The Dance of Eternity 6-2-1 (+24)
10. Sacrificed Sons 6-3 (+54)
11. The Root of All Evil 6-3 (+35)
12. 6:00 6-3 (+21)
13. Surrender to Reason 6-3 (+19)
14. Caught in a Web 5-3-1 (+11)
15. Another Day 5-4 (+15)
16. Peruvian Skies 5-4 (+2)
17. Erotomania 4-4-1 (+7)
18. Wait For Sleep 4-5 (+9)
19. This is the Life 4-5 (+1)
20. This Dying Soul 4-5 (-16)
21. On the Backs of Angels 4-5 (-25)
22. Lie 3-6 (+3)
23. Panic Attack 3-6 (+3)
24. Outcry 3-6 (-29)
25. Innocence Faded 2-7 (-32)
26. Behind the Veil 1-8 (-27)
27. The Enemy Inside 1-8 (-71)
28. Through Her Eyes 1-8 (-94)
29. A Nightmare to Remember 0-8-1 (-33)
30. One Last Time 0-8-1 (-77)
31. The Best of Times 0-9 (-121)
32. Afterlife 0-9 (-125)
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Division 1, Week 9 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43254.0
1. #16 In the Name of God defeats Fatal Tragedy 19-14
2. In the Presence of Enemies defeats The Mirror 18-15
3. #14 Space-Dye Vest defeats The Glass Prison 17-16
4. #9 Voices defeats #12 Finally Free 17-15
5. #7 Learning to Live defeats Hell’s Kitchen 26-7
6. Stream of Consciousness defeats Pull Me Under 18-15
7. Illumination Theory defeats Overture 1928 20-13
8. #1 Octavarium defeats #5 Lines in the Sand 25-8
9. #4 Scarred defeats Bridges in the Sky 21-12
10. #10 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Beyond This Life 24-9
11. #13 The Count of Tuscany defeats Under a Glass Moon 20-13
12. #2 A Change of Seasons defeats Disappear 25-8
13. Home defeats The Great Debate 24-9
14. #8 Take the Time defeats Blind Faith 21-12
15. #15 The Spirit Carries On defeats #11 Trial of Tears 17-16
16. #3 Breaking All Illusions defeats #6 Metropolis 22-11
Division 1 Rankings after Week 9 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Octavarium 9-0 (+135)
2. A Change of Seasons 9-0 (+125)
3. Breaking All Illusions 8-1 (+124)
4. Scarred 8-1 (+57)
5. Learning to Live 7-2 (+73)
6. Take the Time 7-2 (+60)
7. Lines in the Sand 7-2 (+26)
8. Metropolis 6-2-1 (+72)
9. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 6-2-1 (+37)
10. Voices 6-2-1 (+34)
11. The Count of Tuscany 6-3 (+18)
12. Space-Dye Vest 6-3 (+5)
13. The Spirit Carries On 5-3-1 (-8)
14. Trial of Tears 5-4 (+26)
15. Home 5-4 (+14)
16. Finally Free 5-4 (+12)
17. In the Name of God 5-4 (+7)
18. In the Presence of Enemies 5-4 (-10)
19. The Glass Prison 3-4-2 (-7)
20. Illumination Theory 4-5 (-18)
21. Fatal Tragedy 3-6 (-50)
22. Stream of Consciousness 3-6 (-59)
23. The Mirror 2-6-1 (-13)
24. Blind Faith 2-6-1 (-52)
25. Under a Glass Moon 2-6-1 (-58)
26. Disappear 2-7 (-50)
27. Beyond This Life 1-8 (-65)
28. The Great Debate 1-8 (-73)
29. Hell’s Kitchen 1-8 (-81)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-8-1 (-77)
31. Overture 1928 0-9 (-85)
32. Pull Me Under 0-9 (-115)
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How are we nearly halfway through the regular season already?
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Sorry for double-posting, but I just noticed Disappear's record hasn't been updated. It still says 2-6 (2 + 6 = 8, not 9). Or did I miss something?
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Sorry for double-posting, but I just noticed Disappear's record hasn't been updated. It still says 2-6 (2 + 6 = 8, not 9). Or did I miss something?
Good catch. It has been fixed.
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Division 3, Week 10 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43276.0
1. Eve defeats The Silent Man 16-15
2. Vacant defeats Ytse Jam 17-14
3. Forsaken defeats Repentance 17-15
4. The Shattered Fortress defeats Just Let Me Breathe 26-6
5. Beneath the Surface defeats Constant Motion 18-13
6. The Dark Eternal Night defeats A Rite of Passage 21-8
7. I Walk Beside You defeats Enigma Machine 16-15
8. Hollow Years defeats A Fortune in Lies 18-13
9. New Millennium defeats The Killing Hand 16-15
10. Honor Thy Father defeats Anna Lee 23-8
11. As I Am defeats Only a Matter of Time 24-8
12. Along for the Ride defeats False Awakening Suite 20-10
13. To Live Forever defeats Far From Heaven 17-13
14. The Looking Glass defeats The Answer Lies Within 22-10
15. Wither defeats Never Enough 18-13
16. Lost Not Forgotten defeats Raise the Knife 19-11
Division 3 Rankings after Week 10 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. As I Am 10-0 (+123)
2. The Shattered Fortress 10-0 (+91)
3. Lost Not Forgotten 9-1 (+92)
4. The Looking Glass 9-1 (+48)
5. Vacant 8-1-1 (+47)
6. Honor Thy Father 7-1-2 (+62)
7. Wither 8-2 (+58)
8. Hollow Years 8-2 (+53)
9. Beneath the Surface 8-2 (+50)
10. The Killing Hand 7-2-1 (+36)
11. The Silent Man 6-3-1 (+45)
12. Ytse Jam 6-3-1 (+15)
13. I Walk Beside You 6-3-1 (-1)
14. Far From Heaven 6-4 (+9)
15. New Millennium 6-4 (+4)
16. Along for the Ride 6-4 (-8)
17. Raise the Knife 5-5 (+6)
18. Forsaken 4-6 (-30)
19. False Awakening Suite 4-6 (-31)
20. To Live Forever 3-6-1 (-12)
21. Eve 3-7 (-12)
22. The Dark Eternal Night 3-7 (-15)
23. A Fortune In Lies 3-7 (-26)
24. Repentance 3-7 (-35)
25. Constant Motion 2-7-1 (-36)
26. Never Enough 2-8 (-41)
27. The Answer Lies Within 1-8-1 (-53)
28. Only a Matter of Time 1-8-1 (-73)
29. Anna Lee 0-9-1 (-67)
30. Enigma Machine 0-10 (-50)
31. A Rite of Passage 0-10 (-104)
32. Just Let Me Breathe 0-10 (-157)
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Division 2, Week 10 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43283.0
1. Misunderstood defeats The Dance of Eternity 19-13
2. Endless Sacrifice defeats On the Backs of Angels 20-12
3. These Walls defeats Behind the Veil 17-13
4. Erotomania defeats One Last Time 21-9
5. The Root of All Evil defeats This is the Life 18-14
6. 6:00 defeats Surrender to Reason 16-15
7. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats The Enemy Inside 22-9
8. This Dying Soul defeats Afterlife 23-9
9. Innocence Faded defeats Sacrificed Sons 16-15
10. Wait For Sleep defeats Outcry 20-11
11. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats Lie 16-15
12. Peruvian Skies defeats Panic Attack 18-14
13. Another Day defeats Through Her Eyes 23-8
14. A Nightmare to Remember defeats The Best of Times 21-10
15. Surrounded defeats Caught in a Web 24-6
16. Strange Déjà vu defeats The Bigger Picture 19-12
Division 2 Rankings after Week 10 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Surrounded 10-0 (+120)
2. Misunderstood 10-0 (+100)
3. The Ministry of Lost Souls 10-0 (+25)
4. Strange déjà vu 9-1 (+96)
5. Endless Sacrifice 8-2 (+57)
6. These Walls 8-2 (+54)
7. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 8-2 (+34)
8. The Root of All Evil 7-3 (+39)
9. 6:00 7-3 (+22)
10. The Bigger Picture 6-3-1 (+20)
11. The Dance of Eternity 6-3-1 (+18)
12. Sacrificed Sons 6-4 (+53)
13. Another Day 6-4 (+30)
14. Surrender to Reason 6-4 (+18)
15. Peruvian Skies 6-4 (+6)
16. Erotomania 5-4-1 (+19)
17. Caught in a Web 5-4-1 (-7)
18. Wait For Sleep 5-5 (+18)
19. This Dying Soul 5-5 (-2)
20. This is the Life 4-6 (-3)
21. On the Backs of Angels 4-6 (-33)
22. Lie 3-7 (+2)
23. Panic Attack 3-7 (-1)
24. Innocence Faded 3-7 (-31)
25. Outcry 3-7 (-38)
26. A Nightmare to Remember 1-8-1 (-22)
27. Behind the Veil 1-9 (-31)
28. The Enemy Inside 1-9 (-84)
29. Through Her Eyes 1-9 (-109)
30. One Last Time 0-9-1 (-89)
31. The Best of Times 0-10 (-132)
32. Afterlife 0-10 (-139)
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Division 1, Week 10 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43285.0
1. #4 Scarred defests Fatal Tragedy 17-14
2. #10 Voices defeats In the Presence of Enemies 16-14
3. #6 Take the Time defeats The Great Debate 22-10
4. #8 Metropolis defeats #11 The Count of Tuscany 23-8
5. #13 The Spirit Carries On defeats Disappear 18-14
6. #3 Breaking All Illusions defeats #7 Lines in the Sand 24-6
7. Blind Faith defeats Bridges in the Sky 21-11
8. #9 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats #14 Trial of Tears 20-11
9. #16 Finally Free defeats Illumination Theory 17-14
10. #15 Home defeats Pull Me Under 27-4
11. The Glass Prison defeats Under a Glass Moon 18-13
12. #1 Octavarium defeats In the Name of God 22-10
13. The Mirror defeats Beyond This Life 17-12
14. #12 Space-Dye Vest defeats Overture 1928 18-13
15. Stream of Consciousness defeats Hell’s Kitchen 17-14
16. #2 A Change of Seasons defeats #5 Learning to Live 16-15
Division 1 Rankings after Week 10 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Octavarium 10-0 (+147)
2. A Change of Seasons 10-0 (+126)
3. Breaking All Illusions 9-1 (+142)
4. Scarred 9-1 (+60)
5. Take the Time 8-2 (+72)
6. Metropolis 7-2-1 (+87)
7. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 7-2-1 (+46)
8. Voices 7-2-1 (+36)
9. Learning to Live 7-3 (+72)
10. Space-Dye Vest 7-3 (+10)
11. Lines in the Sand 7-3 (+8)
12. The Spirit Carries On 6-3-1 (-4)
13. Home 6-4 (+37)
14. Finally Free 6-4 (+15)
15. The Count of Tuscany 6-4 (+3)
16. Trial of Tears 5-5 (+17)
17. In the Name of God 5-5 (-5)
18. The Glass Prison 4-4-2 (-2)
19. In the Presence of Enemies 5-5 (-12)
20. Illumination Theory 4-6 (-21)
21. Stream of Consciousness 4-6 (-56)
22. The Mirror 3-6-1 (-8)
23. Blind Faith 3-6-1 (-42)
24. Fatal Tragedy 3-7 (-53)
25. Under a Glass Moon 2-7-1 (-63)
26. Disappear 2-8 (-54)
27. Beyond This Life 1-9 (-70)
28. Hell’s Kitchen 1-9 (-84)
29. The Great Debate 1-9 (-85)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-9-1 (-87)
31. Overture 1928 0-10 (-90)
32. Pull Me Under 0-10 (-138)
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The one problem with the division format that's emerging now we're some way into it is this: Songs that don't really deserve it are getting brutally punished. The Great Debate and Bridges in the Sky definitely do not deserve to be winless.
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It surprised me to see that Bridges In the Sky doesn't have a single win too, hadn't noticed that before. But saying that it "doesn't deserve it" is a weird way to put it, and absolutely doesn't showcase a "problem with the division format". If it gets demoted to D2 next year, maybe it'll kick some more ass there, and maybe be promoted some time in the future. I don't agree with all the results, far from it, but it's all about what everyone votes collectively, and the results are fun to follow.
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In the context of all 96 songs.... it does hurt to see "very good" songs with terrible records in Division 1, while "good to average" songs have great records in Division 3. After the season, 48 songs will advance to one of the three Division Tournaments, but what could be argued as the 17th to 32nd best songs won't be a part of it. But it's all relative, and what we signed up for.
After the season, we'll vote on which of the two formats we'd like to use in future years. But regardless of format, its safe to say that only 4-5 songs have a legitimate shot of winning it all under the previous format, or Division 1 in this format.
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For the record, I'm not saying the divisions are a bad thing. Far from it. Victories are more meaningful as they're against fairly equal opposition.
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It surprised me to see that Bridges In the Sky doesn't have a single win too, hadn't noticed that before. But saying that it "doesn't deserve it" is a weird way to put it, and absolutely doesn't showcase a "problem with the division format".
This. It is what it is. "Deserve" doesn't have anything to do with it.
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I don't know what to write anymore. I'm just saying how *I* see things, but clearly I can't do that without a few people having a hissy fit over it. Treating what is merely my (worthless) opinion as if it's objective. The vast majority of what people write here is subjective opinion. I shouldn't have to add "imo" to every single thing I post out of fear of people treating it objectively.
And yes, I am aware that some people have thicker skin than me. I don't need to be told that.
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I shouldn't have to add "imo" to every single thing I post out of fear of people treating it objectively.
And neiher should we.
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I'm shocked TMOLS has won every match in the second division... I thought the song was not that well-liked (I personally consider it a huge mess).
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I'm shocked TMOLS has won every match in the second division... I thought the song was not that well-liked (I personally consider it a huge mess).
Yeah. While I love this song a lot, I thought it was quite polarizing here. Seeing it with 10-0 is indeed surprising.
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I don't know what to write anymore. I'm just saying how *I* see things, but clearly I can't do that without a few people having a hissy fit over it. Treating what is merely my (worthless) opinion as if it's objective. The vast majority of what people write here is subjective opinion. I shouldn't have to add "imo" to every single thing I post out of fear of people treating it objectively.
And yes, I am aware that some people have thicker skin than me. I don't need to be told that.
You started out stating what the problem with the format was. You weren't just talking about which songs you like best.
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I don't know what to write anymore. I'm just saying how *I* see things, but clearly I can't do that without a few people having a hissy fit over it. Treating what is merely my (worthless) opinion as if it's objective. The vast majority of what people write here is subjective opinion. I shouldn't have to add "imo" to every single thing I post out of fear of people treating it objectively.
And yes, I am aware that some people have thicker skin than me. I don't need to be told that.
You started out stating what the problem with the format was. You weren't just talking about which songs you like best.
OK, maybe I shouldn't have used the word "problem", but I couldn't think of a better word at the time. The idea of great songs being 0-10 wasn't something I'd envisioned when the division format was first mooted.
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I'm shocked TMOLS has won every match in the second division... I thought the song was not that well-liked (I personally consider it a huge mess).
Yeah. While I love this song a lot, I thought it was quite polarizing here. Seeing it with 10-0 is indeed surprising.
Well, not really. Last couple years it came in at #2 on SC and around the middle of the road overall. Yeah, at first it was polarizing to most but has gained traction in the last few years. Good to see. I've always liked TMOLS quite a bit. :biggrin:
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Well, #2 on SC isn't surprising at all. The fact it won again LSOAD, ANTR, WFS, TROAE, Peruvian Skies; those wins kind of surprised me. Actually, now that I look on TMOLS track record, it has a lot of wins by a really small margin of votes. Lots of 15-14 or 17-14 or that kind of stuff.
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I don't know what to write anymore. I'm just saying how *I* see things, but clearly I can't do that without a few people having a hissy fit over it. Treating what is merely my (worthless) opinion as if it's objective. The vast majority of what people write here is subjective opinion. I shouldn't have to add "imo" to every single thing I post out of fear of people treating it objectively.
And yes, I am aware that some people have thicker skin than me. I don't need to be told that.
You started out stating what the problem with the format was. You weren't just talking about which songs you like best.
OK, maybe I shouldn't have used the word "problem", but I couldn't think of a better word at the time. The idea of great songs being 0-10 wasn't something I'd envisioned when the division format was first mooted.
It's just about matchups, and who is voting for which song in that particular matchup.
Just like in sports, which is how this competition is rooted. A team could be considered great, and not lost a game all season. But then they play this one team that maybe isn't seen as being so great, but they just happen to match up really well against the players on the great team. So, the great team loses.
Not sure where I was going with that, but it sounded good in my head.
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I would expect TMoLS to do well in D2, though I'm fairly certain it won't much of a contender in D1.
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Well yeah, because it's a middle of the road song like I said before. It's edging out other middle of the road songs. That doesn't surprise me. If it was winning in division 1, then I'd be surprised.
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There is the Swiss system. Basically, the first round is random, but starting on the second round the strongest songs are paired with the strongest, and the weakest play the weakest (here strong/weak is according to the wins and losses they have). This way, we separate the songs with similar scores easier as they are forced to play relevant matches instead of beating up weakies or being beaten up by the top ones.
This system allows one to get a decent classification in log_2(n) rounds, rounded up (if there are n participants). In the case, it would be 5 rounds! I think it's a little too short, but it can be extended as we want (always taking care to never repeat the matches). Of course this is a suggestion for future tournaments, not this one.
People use it in thing like open tournaments of chess, for example. And Yu-Gi-Oh!.
For TMOLS, for example, it would be tested: if TMOLS getting such score because it is meeting only weak songs, in the Swiss system it would start being matched up against strongest opponents, allowing us to estimate its strenght against the songs of same performance and see what's the deal.
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There is the Swiss system. Basically, the first round is random, but starting on the second round the strongest songs are paired with the strongest, and the weakest play the weakest (here strong/weak is according to the wins and losses they have). This way, we separate the songs with similar scores easier as they are forced to play relevant matches instead of beating up weakies or being beaten up by the top ones.
This system allows one to get a decent classification in log_2(n) rounds, rounded up (if there are n participants). In the case, it would be 5 rounds! I think it's a little too short, but it can be extended as we want (always taking care to never repeat the matches). Of course this is a suggestion for future tournaments, not this one.
People use it in thing like open tournaments of chess, for example. And Yu-Gi-Oh!.
For TMOLS, for example, it would be tested: if TMOLS getting such score because it is meeting only weak songs, in the Swiss system it would start being matched up against strongest opponents, allowing us to estimate its strenght against the songs of same performance and see what's the deal.
The songs are already grouped that way, that's why there are 3 Divisions, based on how they have performed in past competitions.
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The songs are already grouped that way, that's why there are 3 Divisions, based on how they have performed in past competitions.
I thought it was clear, but I was referring to each division individually. (After all, 32 is the only number whose logarithm in base 2 is 5.)
It would be undeserving to a song to get to 4th place if it hadn't played against the top 3. (Even with the Division Tournaments, songs can unfairly fall off the top 16 [or get into it] because the 20 rounds are randomly obtained.)
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Now that we're halfway through, I just want to say that I am happy that i participated this year. I found the competition very enjoyable. :tup
If I had my way, I would love for The Mirror, Illumination Theory, Peruvian Skies and Anna Lee to do much better. But that's the fun of this tournament, we get to see some sort of general forum opinion. I hope that there would be some way of promoting The League in the main forum, though. Only around 30 people regularly participate in DT the League, while we get almost a hundred votes in polls placed in the main forum.
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The songs are already grouped that way, that's why there are 3 Divisions, based on how they have performed in past competitions.
I thought it was clear, but I was referring to each division individually. (After all, 32 is the only number whose logarithm in base 2 is 5.)
It would be undeserving to a song to get to 4th place if it hadn't played against the top 3. (Even with the Division Tournaments, songs can unfairly fall off the top 16 [or get into it] because the 20 rounds are randomly obtained.)
Regardless of your opinion of that, the format is what it is and won't be changed.
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I don't know what to write anymore. I'm just saying how *I* see things, but clearly I can't do that without a few people having a hissy fit over it. Treating what is merely my (worthless) opinion as if it's objective. The vast majority of what people write here is subjective opinion. I shouldn't have to add "imo" to every single thing I post out of fear of people treating it objectively.
And yes, I am aware that some people have thicker skin than me. I don't need to be told that.
You started out stating what the problem with the format was. You weren't just talking about which songs you like best.
OK, maybe I shouldn't have used the word "problem", but I couldn't think of a better word at the time. The idea of great songs being 0-10 wasn't something I'd envisioned when the division format was first mooted.
It's just about matchups, and who is voting for which song in that particular matchup.
Just like in sports, which is how this competition is rooted. A team could be considered great, and not lost a game all season. But then they play this one team that maybe isn't seen as being so great, but they just happen to match up really well against the players on the great team. So, the great team loses.
Not sure where I was going with that, but it sounded good in my head.
What you said makes sense. To give a real life sports example, the infamous 2007 New England Patriots demolished their competition (only two games weren't blowouts) during the regular season on the way to a 16-0 record. They had similar results in the playoffs and entered the Super Bowl at 18-0. They met up with the New York Giants, a team that barely made the playoffs with a 10-6 regular season record. The Patriots were favored by 12 points, which is the third largest spread in Super Bowl history. Of course, the Giants won the game 17-14 because they matched up well against the Patriots and had a well put together game plan. Most people thought that the Giants had no business winning that game, but they did. In anything competition based, no result should be surprising this one included. We don't know what the general forum opinion is at the time so there's no way we can guess what song is going to win each round.
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Regardless of your opinion of that, the format is what it is and won't be changed.
Why not? For what I've read, it has changed from 2014 to 2015, so why can't the present format be challenged?
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Division 3, Week 11 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43304.0
1. The Looking Glass defeats The Silent Man 19-11
2. Far From Heaven & Wither draw at 15-15
3. False Awakening Suite defeats Never Enough 15-14
4. As I Am defeats The Answer Lies Within 23-7
5. Honor Thy Father defeats To Live Forever 19-11
6. New Millennium defeats Along For the Ride 19-11
7. A Fortune in Lies defeats Only a Matter of Time 19-9
8. I Walk Beside You defeats Anna Lee 16-14
9. The Dark Eternal Night & The Killing Hand draw at 14-14
10. Hollow Years defeats Constant Motion 19-11
11. Lost Not Forgotten defeats Enigma Machine 25-5
12. The Shattered Fortress defeats A Rite of Passage 23-7
13. Beneath the Surface defeats Repentance 19-11
14. Vacant defeats Raise the Knife 16-14
15. Eve defeats Just Let Me Breathe 20-9
16. Ytse Jam defeats Forsaken 18-12
Division 3 Rankings after Week 11 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. As I Am 11-0 (+139)
2. The Shattered Fortress 11-0 (+107)
3. Lost Not Forgotten 10-1 (+112)
4. The Looking Glass 10-1 (+56)
5. Vacant 9-1-1 (+49)
6. Honor Thy Father 8-1-2 (+70)
7. Hollow Years 9-2 (+61)
8. Beneath the Surface 9-2 (+58)
9. Wither 8-2-1 (+58)
10. The Killing Hand 7-2-2 (+36)
11. Ytse Jam 7-3-1 (+21)
12. I Walk Beside You 7-3-1 (+1)
13. New Millennium 7-4 (+12)
14. The Silent Man 6-4-1 (+37)
15. Far From Heaven 6-4-1 (+9)
16. Along for the Ride 6-5 (-16)
17. Raise the Knife 5-6 (+4)
18. False Awakening Suite 5-6 (-30)
19. Eve 4-7 (-1)
20. A Fortune In Lies 4-7 (-16)
21. Forsaken 4-7 (-36)
22. The Dark Eternal Night 3-7-1 (-15)
23. To Live Forever 3-7-1 (-20)
24. Repentance 3-8 (-43)
25. Constant Motion 2-8-1 (-44)
26. Never Enough 2-9 (-42)
27. The Answer Lies Within 1-9-1 (-69)
28. Only a Matter of Time 1-9-1 (-83)
29. Anna Lee 0-10-1 (-69)
30. Enigma Machine 0-11 (-70)
31. A Rite of Passage 0-11 (-120)
32. Just Let Me Breathe 0-11 (-168)
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Division 2, Week 11 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43311.0
1. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats The Dance of Eternity 15-10
2. 6:00 defeats Afterlife 18-7
3. The Root of All Evil defeats Sacrificed Sons 13-12
4. Outcry defeats One Last Time 13-11
5. These Walls defeats The Bigger Picture 15-10
6. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats On the Backs of Angels 14-11
7. Misunderstood defeats Panic Attack 16-9
8. Another Day defeats Endless Sacrifice 13-12
9. A Nightmare to Remember defeats Behind the Veil 14-11
10. Erotoamania defeats Caught in a Web 16-9
11. Surrounded defeats This is the Life 19-6
12. Surrender to Reason defeats The Best of Times 18-7
13. The Enemy Inside defeats Through Her Eyes 16-9
14. This Dying Soul defeats Peruvian Skies 13-12
15. Lie defeats Innocence Faded 16-9
16. Wait For Sleep defeats Strange Déjà vu 13-12
Division 2 Rankings after Week 11 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Surrounded 11-0 (+133)
2. Misunderstood 11-0 (+107)
3. The Ministry of Lost Souls 11-0 (+28)
4. Strange déjà vu 9-2 (+95)
5. These Walls 9-2 (+59)
6. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 9-2 (+39)
7. Endless Sacrifice 8-3 (+56)
8. The Root of All Evil 8-3 (+40)
9. 6:00 8-3 (+33)
10. Another Day 7-4 (+31)
11. Surrender to Reason 7-4 (+29)
12. Erotomania 6-4-1 (+26)
13. The Bigger Picture 6-4-1 (+15)
14. The Dance of Eternity 6-4-1 (+13)
15. Sacrificed Sons 6-5 (+52)
16. Wait For Sleep 6-5 (+19)
17. Peruvian Skies 6-5 (+5)
18. This Dying Soul 6-5 (-1)
19. Caught in a Web 5-5-1 (-14)
20. Lie 4-7 (+9)
21. This is the Life 4-7 (-16)
22. On the Backs of Angels 4-7 (-36)
23. Outcry 4-7 (-36)
24. Panic Attack 3-8 (-8)
25. Innocence Faded 3-8 (-38)
26. A Nightmare to Remember 2-8-1 (-19)
27. The Enemy Inside 2-9 (-91)
28. Behind the Veil 1-10 (-34)
29. Through Her Eyes 1-10 (-116)
30. One Last Time 0-10-1 (-91)
31. The Best of Times 0-11 (-143)
32. Afterlife 0-11 (-150)
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Division 1, Week 11 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43317.0
1. #1 Octavarium defeats #16 Trial of Tears 24-5
2. #2 A Change of Seasons defeats #14 Finally Free 22-7
3. #3 Breaking All Illusions defeats Beyond This Life 24-5
4. #13 Home defeats In the Presence of Enemies 17-11
5. Blind Faith defeats Under a Glass Moon 17-12
6. #12 The Spirit Carries On defeats Overture 1928 18-9
7. #5 Take the Time defeats Stream of Consciousness 18-10
8. #7 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats The Glass Prison 16-13
9. #8 Voices defeats Hell’s Kitchen 20-8
10. #10 Space-Dye Vest defeats The Great Debate 15-14
11. Fatal Tragedy defeats Disappear 18-11
12. The Mirror defeats #15 The Count of Tuscany 15-13
13. #11 Lines in the Sand defeats In the Name of God 16-13
14. #9 Learning to Live defeats Bridges in the Sky 23-6
15. Illumination Theory defeats Pull Me Under 18-10
16. #6 Metropolis defeats #4 Scarred 19-8
Division 1 Rankings after Week 11 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Octavarium 11-0 (+166)
2. A Change of Seasons 11-0 (+141)
3. Breaking All Illusions 10-1 (+161)
4. Take the Time 9-2 (+80)
5. Scarred 9-2 (+49)
6. Metropolis 8-2-1 (+98)
7. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 8-2-1 (+49)
8. Voices 8-2-1 (+48)
9. Learning to Live 8-3 (+89)
10. Lines in the Sand 8-3 (+11)
11. Space-Dye Vest 8-3 (+11)
12. The Spirit Carries On 7-3-1 (+5)
13. Home 7-4 (+43)
14. The Count of Tuscany 6-5 (+1)
15. Finally Free 6-5 (0)
16. Trial of Tears 5-6 (-2)
17. The Glass Prison 4-5-2 (-5)
18. In the Name of God 5-6 (-8)
19. Illumination Theory 5-6 (-13)
20. In the Presence of Enemies 5-6 (-18)
21. The Mirror 4-6-1 (-10)
22. Blind Faith 4-6-1 (-37)
23. Fatal Tragedy 4-7 (-46)
24. Stream of Consciousness 4-7 (-64)
25. Under a Glass Moon 2-8-1 (-68)
26. Disappear 2-9 (-61)
27. The Great Debate 1-10 (-86)
28. Beyond This Life 1-10 (-89)
29. Hell’s Kitchen 1-10 (-96)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-10-1 (-104)
31. Overture 1928 0-11 (-99)
32. Pull Me Under 0-11 (-146)
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Regardless of your opinion of that, the format is what it is and won't be changed.
Why not? For what I've read, it has changed from 2014 to 2015, so why can't the present format be challenged?
It was tweaked by the guy who came up with it, to add an interesting twist. It's up to him. It's his thing. It's not up for open challenges from the general population.
This is the game. If you don't like it, then by all means, don't participate. But I don't understand your line of posting on this topic.
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It was tweaked by the guy who came up with it, to add an interesting twist. It's up to him. It's his thing. It's not up for open challenges from the general population.
This is the game. If you don't like it, then by all means, don't participate. But I don't understand your line of posting on this topic.
It was just a suggestion on a way of correct what some people (me inclusive) may see as an inbalance. I'm enjoying and following the game, but even good things can be aprimorated. That can be thought as a form of support.
Anyway, it's not like I'll fight fiercely for the change, or that I'll start my own league to compete with this one. It was merely a comment on an internet forum exposing my point of view and sharing some ideas.
Peace!
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Division 3, Week 12 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43340.0
1. The Silent Man defeats I Walk Beside You 17-8
2. A Fortune in Lies defeats The Dark Eternal Night 16-8
3. New Millennium defeats Constant Motion 13-11
4. Honor Thy Father defeats Lost Not Forgotten 14-11
5. Repentance defeats False Awakening Suite 13-12
6. Vacant defeats Far From Heaven 18-7
7. The Looking Glass defeats Eve 13-12
8. Ytse Jam defeats Wither 15-10
9. Forsaken defeats Never Enough 15-10
10. The Answer Lies Within defeats Just Let Me Breathe 19-7
11. Raise the Knife defeats To Live Forever 15-8
12. Beneath the Surface defeats Along For the Ride 13-12
13. Only a Matter of Time defeats A Rite of Passage 16-8
14. Anna Lee defeats Enigma Machine 15-10
15. The Killing Hand defeated Hollow Years 13-12
16. As I Am defeated The Shattered Fortress 15-11
Division 3 Rankings after Week 12 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. As I Am 12-0 (+143)
2. The Shattered Fortress 11-1 (+103)
3. The Looking Glass 11-1 (+57)
4. Vacant 10-1-1 (+60)
5. Lost Not Forgotten 10-2 (+109)
6. Honor Thy Father 9-1-2 (+73)
7. Beneath the Surface 10-2 (+59)
8. Hollow Years 9-3 (+60)
9. The Killing Hand 8-2-2 (+37)
10. Wither 8-3-1 (+53)
11. Ytse Jam 8-3-1 (+26)
12. New Millennium 8-4 (+14)
13. The Silent Man 7-4-1 (+46)
14. I Walk Beside You 7-4-1 (-8)
15. Far From Heaven 6-5-1 (-2)
16. Raise the Knife 6-6 (+11)
17. Along for the Ride 6-6 (-17)
18. A Fortune In Lies 5-7 (-8)
19. False Awakening Suite 5-7 (-31)
20. Forsaken 5-7 (-31)
21. Eve 4-8 (-2)
22. Repentance 4-8 (-42)
23. The Dark Eternal Night 3-8-1 (-23)
24. To Live Forever 3-8-1 (-27)
25. Constant Motion 2-9-1 (-46)
26. The Answer Lies Within 2-9-1 (-57)
27. Only a Matter of Time 2-9-1 (-75)
28. Never Enough 2-10 (-47)
29. Anna Lee 1-10-1 (-64)
30. Enigma Machine 0-12 (-75)
31. A Rite of Passage 0-12 (-128)
32. Just Let Me Breathe 0-12 (-180)
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Division 2, Week 12 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43347.0
1. The Dance of Eternity defeats On the Backs of Angels 16-13
2. Endless Sacrifice defeats One Last Time 20-9
3. The Root of All Evil defeats Behind the Veil 18-11
4. 6:00 defeats Erotomania 14-13
5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats This is the Life 17-12
6. Surrender to Reason defeats Afterlife 22-6
7. Sacrificed Sons defeats The Enemy Inside 19-10
8. Outcry defeats This Dying Soul 17-12
9. The Bigger Picture defeats Innocence Faded 16-11
10. Wait For Sleep defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 16-13
11. Strange Déjà vu defeats Panic Attack 17-11
12. Another Day defeats Lie 15-13
13. Peruvian Skies defeats A Nightmare to Remember 15-13
14. Caught in a Web defeats Through Her Eyes 19-8
15. Surrounded defeats The Best of Times 24-5
16. Misunderstood defeats These Walls 17-10
Division 2 Rankings after Week 12 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Surrounded 12-0 (+152)
2. Misunderstood 12-0 (+114)
3. The Ministry of Lost Souls 11-1 (+25)
4. Strange déjà vu 10-2 (+101)
5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 10-2 (+44)
6. Endless Sacrifice 9-3 (+67)
7. These Walls 9-3 (+52)
8. The Root of All Evil 9-3 (+47)
9. 6:00 9-3 (+34)
10. Surrender to Reason 8-4 (+45)
11. Another Day 8-4 (+33)
12. The Bigger Picture 7-4-1 (+20)
13. The Dance of Eternity 7-4-1 (+16)
14. Sacrificed Sons 7-5 (+61)
15. Wait For Sleep 7-5 (+22)
16. Peruvian Skies 7-5 (+7)
17. Erotomania 6-5-1 (+25)
18. Caught in a Web 6-5-1 (-3)
19. This Dying Soul 6-6 (-6)
20. Outcry 5-7 (-31)
21. Lie 4-8 (+7)
22. This is the Life 4-8 (-21)
23. On the Backs of Angels 4-8 (-39)
24. Panic Attack 3-9 (-14)
25. Innocence Faded 3-9 (-43)
26. A Nightmare to Remember 2-9-1 (-21)
27. The Enemy Inside 2-10 (-100)
28. Behind the Veil 1-11 (-41)
29. Through Her Eyes 1-11 (-127)
30. One Last Time 0-11-1 (-102)
31. The Best of Times 0-12 (-162)
32. Afterlife 0-12 (-166)
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Division 1, Week 12 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43352.0
1. 2. A Change of Seasons defeats In the Presence of Enemies 22-7
2. Under a Glass Moon & 13. Home tied at 14-14
3. Beyond This Life defeats Blind Faith 15-13
4. 5. Scarred & 16. Trial of Tears tied at 14-14
5. 3. Breaking All Illusions defeats Overture 1928 25-4
6. In the Name of God defeats Disappear 19-10
7. 6. Metropolis defeats Stream of Consciousness 22-6
8. 12. The Spirit Carries On defeats Hell’s Kitchen 16-12
9. 8. Voices defeats Fatal Tragedy 17-11
10. 1. Octavarium defeats 15. Finally Free 23-6
11. The Mirror defeats The Great Debate 16-13
12. 14. The Count of Tuscany defeats The Glass Prison 15-13
13. 7. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Pull Me Under 22-6
14. 9. Learning to Live defeats 10. Lines in the Sand 23-5
15. Illumination Theory defeats Bridges in the Sky 17-12
16. 4. Take the Time defeats 11. Space-Dye Vest 17-11
Division 1 Rankings after Week 12 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Octavarium 12-0 (+183)
2. A Change of Seasons 12-0 (+156)
3. Breaking All Illusions 11-1 (+182)
4. Take the Time 10-2 (+86)
5. Metropolis 9-2-1 (+114)
6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 9-2-1 (+65)
7. Voices 9-2-1 (+54)
8. Scarred 9-2-1 (+49)
9. Learning to Live 9-3 (+107)
10. The Spirit Carries On 8-3-1 (+9)
11. Space-Dye Vest 8-4 (+5)
12. Lines in the Sand 8-4 (-7)
13. Home 7-4-1 (+43)
14. The Count of Tuscany 7-5 (+3)
15. In the Name of God 6-6 (+1)
16. Illumination Theory 6-6 (-8)
17. Finally Free 6-6 (-17)
18. Trial of Tears 5-6-1 (-2)
19. The Mirror 5-6-1 (-7)
20. The Glass Prison 4-6-2 (-7)
21. In the Presence of Enemies 5-7 (-33)
22. Blind Faith 4-7-1 (-39)
23. Fatal Tragedy 4-8 (-52)
24. Stream of Consciousness 4-8 (-80)
25. Under a Glass Moon 2-8-2 (-68)
26. Disappear 2-10 (-70)
27. Beyond This Life 2-10 (-87)
28. The Great Debate 1-11 (-89)
29. Hell’s Kitchen 1-11 (-100)
30. Bridges in the Sky 0-11-1 (-109)
31. Overture 1928 0-12 (-120)
32. Pull Me Under 0-12 (-162)
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Awesome to see Vacant doing so well in Div. 3.
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Awesome to see Vacant doing so well in Div. 3.
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Division 3, Week 13 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43375.0
1. New Millennium defeats The Silent Man 13-12
2. Honor Thy Father defeats A Fortune in Lies 13-11
3. As I Am defeats I Walk Beside You 21-5
4. The Dark Eternal Night defeats False Awakening Suite 16-10
5. Constant Motion defeats Far From Heaven 14-10
6. Wither defeats The Shattered Fortress 14-12
7. Repentance defeats Never Enough 13-11
8. Vacant defeats The Answer Lies Within 19-7
9. Eve defeats To Live Forever 14-10
10. Ytse Jam defeats Along For the Ride 18-7
11. Only a Matter of Time defeats Forsaken 13-12
12. Anna Lee defeats Just Let Me Breathe 20-4
13. The Killing Hand defeats Raise the Knife 15-9
14. Hollow Years defeats Beneath the Surface 13-11
15. Enigma Machine defeats A Rite of Passage 13-9
16. Lost Not Forgotten defeats The Looking Glass 14-11
Division 3 Rankings after Week 13 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. As I Am 13-0 (+159)
2. Vacant 11-1-1 (+72)
3. Lost Not Forgotten 11-2 (+112)
4. The Shattered Fortress 11-2 (+101)
5. Honor Thy Father 10-1-2 (+75)
6. The Looking Glass 11-2 (+54)
7. Hollow Years 10-3 (+62)
8. Beneath the Surface 10-3 (+57)
9. The Killing Hand 9-2-2 (+43)
10. Wither 9-3-1 (+55)
11. Ytse Jam 9-3-1 (+37)
12. New Millennium 9-4 (+15)
13. The Silent Man 7-5-1 (+45)
14. I Walk Beside You 7-5-1 (-24)
15. Far From Heaven 6-6-1 (-6)
16. Raise the Knife 6-7 (+5)
17. Along for the Ride 6-7 (-28)
18. Eve 5-8 (+2)
19. A Fortune In Lies 5-8 (-10)
20. Forsaken 5-8 (-32)
21. False Awakening Suite 5-8 (-37)
22. Repentance 5-8 (-40)
23. The Dark Eternal Night 4-8-1 (-29)
24. To Live Forever 3-9-1 (-31)
25. Constant Motion 3-9-1 (-42)
26. Only a Matter of Time 3-9-1 (-74)
27. Anna Lee 2-10-1 (-48)
28. The Answer Lies Within 2-10-1 (-69)
29. Never Enough 2-11 (-47)
30. Enigma Machine 1-12 (-71)
31. A Rite of Passage 0-13 (-132)
32. Just Let Me Breathe 0-13 (-196)
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Division 2, Week 13 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43385.0
1. The Root of All Evil defeats The Dance of Eternity 13-12
2. 6:00 defeats One Last Time 16-8
3. On the Backs of Angels defeats Afterlife 17-7
4. Misunderstood defeats Sacrificed Sons 13-12
5. Endless Sacrifice defeats Outcry 17-7
6. The Bigger Picture defeats Behind the Veil 17-7
7. Erotomania defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 13-11
8. This is the Life defeats Panic Attack 14-11
9. Surrender to Reason defeats Another Day 12-11
10. A Nightmare to Remember defeats The Enemy Inside 19-6
11. This Dying Soul defeats Caught in a Web 12-11
12. Surrounded defeats Innocence Faded 19-5
13. Wait For Sleep defeats The Best of Times 16-8
14. Strange Déjà vu defeats Through Her Eyes 20-4
15. Lie defeats Peruvian Skies 15-9
16. These Walls defeats Lifting Shadows off a Dream 13-11
Division 2 Rankings after Week 13 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Surrounded 13-0 (+166)
2. Misunderstood 13-0 (+115)
3. Strange déjà vu 11-2 (+117)
4. The Ministry of Lost Souls 11-2 (+23)
5. Endless Sacrifice 10-3 (+77)
6. These Walls 10-3 (+54)
7. The Root of All Evil 10-3 (+48)
8. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 10-3 (+42)
9. 6:00 10-3 (+42)
10. Surrender to Reason 9-4 (+46)
11. The Bigger Picture 8-4-1 (+30)
12. Another Day 8-5 (+32)
13. Wait For Sleep 8-5 (+30)
14. Erotomania 7-5-1 (+27)
15. The Dance of Eternity 7-5-1 (+15)
16. Sacrificed Sons 7-6 (+61)
17. Peruvian Skies 7-6 (+1)
18. This Dying Soul 7-6 (-5)
19. Caught in a Web 6-6-1 (-4)
20. Lie 5-8 (+13)
21. This is the Life 5-8 (-18)
22. On the Backs of Angels 5-8 (-29)
23. Outcry 5-8 (-41)
24. A Nightmare to Remember 3-9-1 (-8)
25. Panic Attack 3-10 (-17)
26. Innocence Faded 3-10 (-57)
27. The Enemy Inside 2-11 (-113)
28. Behind the Veil 1-12 (-51)
29. Through Her Eyes 1-12 (-143)
30. One Last Time 0-12-1 (-110)
31. The Best of Times 0-13 (-170)
32. Afterlife 0-13 (-176)
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Division 1, Week 13 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43389.0
1. #15 In the Name of God defeats In the Presence of Enemies 17-9
2. The Glass Prison defeats The Mirror 18-8
3. #9 Learning to Live defeats Fatal Tragedy 21-5
4. #4 Take the Time defeats #13 Home 15-10
5. #11 Space-Dye Vest defeats Pull Me Under 14-13
6. #16 Illumination Theory defeats Hell’s Kitchen 18-9
7. Bridges in the Sky defeats Stream of Consciousness 15-11
8. #6 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Overture 1928 21-5
9. #12 Lines in the Sand & #8 Scarred tied 13-13
10. #14 The Count of Tuscany defeats Beyond This Life 15-11
11. #1 Octavarium defeats Disappear 21-6
12. Under a Glass Moon defeats The Great Debate 16-10
13. #10 The Spirit Carries On & Finally Free tie 13-13
14. #5 Metropolis defeats Blind Faith 17-9
15. #3 Breaking All Illusions defeats Trial of Tears 17-9
16. #2 A Change of Seasons defeats #7 Voices 20-6
Division 1 Rankings after Week 13 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2).
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. Octavarium 13-0 (+198)
2. A Change of Seasons 13-0 (+170)
3. Breaking All Illusions 12-1 (+190)
4. Take the Time 11-2 (+91)
5. Metropolis 10-2-1 (+122)
6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 10-2-1 (+81)
7. Learning to Live 10-3 (+123)
8. Scarred 9-2-2 (+49)
9. Voices 9-3-1 (+40)
10. The Spirit Carries On 8-3-2 (+9)
11. Space-Dye Vest 9-4 (+6)
12. Lines in the Sand 8-4-1 (-7)
13. Home 7-5-1 (+38)
14. The Count of Tuscany 8-5 (+7)
15. In the Name of God 7-6 (+9)
16. Illumination Theory 7-6 (+1)
17. Finally Free 6-6-1 (-17)
18. The Glass Prison 5-6-2 (+3)
19. Trial of Tears 5-7-1 (-10)
20. The Mirror 5-7-1 (-17)
21. In the Presence of Enemies 5-8 (-41)
22. Blind Faith 4-8-1 (-47)
23. Fatal Tragedy 4-9 (-68)
24. Stream of Consciousness 4-9 (-76)
25. Under a Glass Moon 3-8-2 (-62)
26. Beyond This Life 2-11 (-83)
27. Disappear 2-11 (-85)
28. Bridges in the Sky 1-11-1 (-105)
29. The Great Debate 1-12 (-95)
30. Hell’s Kitchen 1-12 (-109)
31. Overture 1928 0-13 (-136)
32. Pull Me Under 0-13 (-163)
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Illumination Theory finally with a winning record and in + category. :metal
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Good to see Anna Lee take the W this week. Out of the red zone for the time being.
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I'm surprised Eve beat TLF, but I can't complain because I also voted for it.
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Division 3, Week 14 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43415.0
1. A Fortune in Lies defeats I Walk Beside You 14-8
2. Hollow Years defeats The Silent Man 14-9
3. Anna Lee defeats A Rite of Passage 16-7
4. The Killing Hand defeats Enigma Machine 16-6
5. Beneath the Surface defeats Only a Matter of Time 12-10
6. Raise the Knife defeats Along For the Ride 14-9
7. To Live Forever defeats Just Let Me Breathe 15-7
8. Wither defeats Eve 14-9
9. Forsaken defeats The Answer Lies Within 13-10
10. Ytse Jam defeats Never Enough 14-9
11. Vacant defeats The Looking Glass 13-10
12. Far From Heaven defeats Repentance 12-11
13. The Shattered Fortress defeats False Awakening Suite 19-4
14. Honor Thy Father defeats Constant Motion 15-8
15. New Millennium defeats The Dark Eternal Night 12-10
16. As I Am defeats Lost Not Forgotten 12-11
Division 3 Rankings after Week 14 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *As I Am 14-0 (+160)
2. *Vacant 12-1-1 (+75)
3. The Shattered Fortress 12-2 (+116)
4. Honor Thy Father 11-1-2 (+82)
5. Lost Not Forgotten 11-3 (+111)
6. Hollow Years 11-3 (+67)
7. Beneath the Surface 11-3 (+59)
8. The Killing Hand 10-2-2 (+53)
9. The Looking Glass 11-3 (+51)
10. Wither 10-3-1 (+60)
11. Ytse Jam 10-3-1 (+42)
12. New Millennium 10-4 (+17)
13. The Silent Man 7-6-1 (+40)
14. Far From Heaven 7-6-1 (-5)
15. I Walk Beside You 7-6-1 (-30)
16. Raise the Knife 7-7 (+10)
17. A Fortune In Lies 6-8 (-4)
18. Forsaken 6-8 (-29)
19. Along for the Ride 6-8 (-33)
20. Eve 5-9 (-3)
21. Repentance 5-9 (-41)
22. False Awakening Suite 5-9 (-52)
23. To Live Forever 4-9-1 (-23)
24. The Dark Eternal Night 4-9-1 (-31)
25. Constant Motion 3-10-1 (-49)
26. Only a Matter of Time 3-10-1 (-76)
27. Anna Lee 3-10-1 (-39)
28. The Answer Lies Within 2-11-1 (-72)
29. Never Enough 2-12 (-52)
30. Enigma Machine 1-13 (-81)
31. X A Rite of Passage 0-14 (-141)
32. X Just Let Me Breathe 0-14 (-204)
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Division 2, Week 14 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43418.0
1. Sacrificed Sons defeats The Dance of Eternity 13-10
2. Outcry defeats Afterlife 16-7
3. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats The Bigger Picture 14-9
4. 6:00 defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 13-10
5. The Root of All Evil defeats Panic Attack 13-10
6. Another Day defeats One Last Time 13-10
7. These Walls defeats A Nightmare to Remember 15-8
8. Caught in a Web defeats On the Backs of Angels 12-11
9. Endless Sacrifice defeats The Best of Times 18-5
10. Through Her Eyes defeats Behind the Veil 12-11
11. Erotomania defeats Peruvian Skies 13-10
12. Lie defeats This is the Life 12-11
13. Strange Déjà vu defeats Surrender to Reason 13-10
14. Wait for Sleep defeats The Enemy Inside 18-5
15. This Dying Soul defeats Innocence Faded 12-11
16. Surrounded defeats Misunderstood 14-9
Division 2 Rankings after Week 14 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *Surrounded 14-0 (+171)
2. Misunderstood 13-1 (+110)
3. Strange déjà vu 12-2 (+120)
4. Endless Sacrifice 11-3 (+90)
5. These Walls 11-3 (+61)
6. The Root of All Evil 11-3 (+51)
7. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 11-3 (+47)
8. 6:00 11-3 (+45)
9. The Ministry of Lost Souls 11-3 (+20)
10. Surrender to Reason 9-5 (+43)
11. Wait For Sleep 9-5 (+43)
12. Another Day 9-5 (+35)
13. Erotomania 8-5-1 (+30)
14. The Bigger Picture 8-5-1 (+25)
15. Sacrificed Sons 8-6 (+64)
16. This Dying Soul 8-6 (-4)
17. The Dance of Eternity 7-6-1 (+12)
18. Caught in a Web 7-6-1 (-3)
19. Peruvian Skies 7-7 (-2)
20. Lie 6-8 (+14)
21. Outcry 6-8 (-32)
22. This is the Life 5-9 (-19)
23. On the Backs of Angels 5-9 (-30)
24. A Nightmare to Remember 3-10-1 (-15)
25. Panic Attack 3-11 (-20)
26. Innocence Faded 3-11 (-58)
27. The Enemy Inside 2-12 (-126)
28. Through Her Eyes 2-12 (-142)
29. X Behind the Veil 1-13 (-52)
30. X One Last Time 0-13-1 (-113)
31. X The Best of Times 0-14 (-183)
32. X Afterlife 0-14 (-185)
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Division 1, Week 14 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43425.0
1. The Glass Prison defeats Pull Me Under 15-10
2. The Great Debate defeats Overture 1928 14-11
3. The Mirror defeats Bridges in the Sky 16-9
4. Stream of Consciousness defeats Disappear 14-11
5. Finally Free defeats Blind Faith 16-9
6. Trial of Tears & #13 Home draw 12-12
7. #7 Learning to Live defeats In the Presence of Enemies 20-5
8. #15 In the Name of God defeats #16 Illumination Theory 13-11
9. #6 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Fatal Tragedy 19-6
10. #14 The Count of Tuscany defeats Hell’s Kitchen 14-11
11. #4 Take the Time defeats Beyond This Life 18-6
12. #5 Metropolis defeats Under a Glass Moon 23-2
13. #12 Lines in the Sand & #11 Space-Dye Vest draw 13-13
14. #1 Octavarium defeats #10 The Spirit Carries On 20-5
15. #9 Voices defeats #8 Scarred 13-12
16. #3 Breaking All Illusions defeats #2 A Change of Seasons 13-12
Division 1 Rankings after Week 14 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *Octavarium 14-0 (+213)
2. Breaking All Illusions 13-1 (+191)
3. A Change of Seasons 13-1 (+169)
4. Take the Time 12-2 (+103)
5. Metropolis 11-2-1 (+143)
6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 11-2-1 (+94)
7. Learning to Live 11-3 (+138)
8. Voices 10-3-1 (+41)
9. Scarred 9-3-2 (+48)
10. Space-Dye Vest 9-4-1 (+6)
11. The Count of Tuscany 9-5 (+10)
12. The Spirit Carries On 8-4-2 (-6)
13. Lines in the Sand 8-4-2 (-7)
14. Home 7-5-2 (+38)
15. In the Name of God 8-6 (+11)
16. Finally Free 7-6-1 (-10)
17. The Glass Prison 6-6-2 (+8)
18. Illumination Theory 7-7 (-1)
19. The Mirror 6-7-1 (-10)
20. Trial of Tears 5-7-2 (-10)
21. In the Presence of Enemies 5-9 (-56)
22. Stream of Consciousness 5-9 (-73)
23. Blind Faith 4-9-1 (-54)
24. Fatal Tragedy 4-10 (-81)
25. Under a Glass Moon 3-9-2 (-83)
26. Disappear 2-12 (-88)
27. The Great Debate 2-12 (-92)
28. Beyond This Life 2-12 (-95)
29. Bridges in the Sky 1-12-1 (-112)
30. X Hell’s Kitchen 1-13 (-112)
31. X Overture 1928 0-14 (-139)
32. X Pull Me Under 0-14 (-168)
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Division 3, Week 15 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43463.0
1. The Silent Man defeats Far From Heaven 17-6
2. The Looking Glass defeats False Awakening Suite 14-9
3. As I Am defeats Wither 14-10
4. Honor Thy Father defeats Never Enough 18-5
5. New Millennium defeats The Answer Lies Within 13-12
6. A Fortune in Lies defeats To Live Forever 13-10
7. Along For the Ride defeats I Walk Beside You 15-9
8. The Dark Eternal Night defeats Only a Matter of Time 19-4
9. Constant Motion defeats Anna Lee 15-9
10. The Shattered Fortress defeats Hollow Years 13-11
11. Repentance defeats Enigma Machine 15-9
12. Vacant defeats A Rite of Passage 18-6
13. Beneath the Surface defeats Eve 14-10
14. Raise the Knife defeats Ytse Jam 13-10
15. Forsaken defeats Just Let Me Breathe 14-8
16. Lost Not Forgotten & The Killing Hand tie 12-12
Division 3 Rankings after Week 15 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *As I Am 15-0 (+164)
2. *Vacant 13-1-1 (+87)
3. *The Shattered Fortress 13-2 (+118)
4. *Honor Thy Father 12-1-2 (+95)
5. Beneath the Surface 12-3 (+63)
6. The Looking Glass 12-3 (+56)
7. Lost Not Forgotten 11-3-1 (+111)
8. The Killing Hand 10-2-3 (+53)
9. Hollow Years 11-4 (+65)
10. New Millennium 11-4 (+18)
11. Wither 10-4-1 (+56)
12. Ytse Jam 10-4-1 (+39)
13. The Silent Man 8-6-1 (+51)
14. Raise the Knife 8-7 (+13)
15. Far From Heaven 7-7-1 (-16)
16. I Walk Beside You 7-7-1 (-36)
17. A Fortune In Lies 7-8 (-1)
18. Forsaken 7-8 (-23)
19. Along for the Ride 7-8 (-27)
20. Repentance 6-9 (-35)
21. The Dark Eternal Night 5-9-1 (-16)
22. Eve 5-10 (-7)
23. False Awakening Suite 5-10 (-57)
24. To Live Forever 4-10-1 (-26)
25. Constant Motion 4-10-1 (-43)
26. Anna Lee 3-11-1 (-45)
27. Only a Matter of Time 3-11-1 (-91)
28. The Answer Lies Within 2-12-1 (-73)
29. X Never Enough 2-13 (-65)
30. X Enigma Machine 1-14 (-87)
31. X A Rite of Passage 0-15 (-153)
32. X Just Let Me Breathe 0-15 (-204)
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Division 2, Week 15 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43476.0
1. Surrounded defeats The Dance of Eternity 18-9
2. Caught in a Web defeats The Best of Times 17-9
3. A Nightmare to Remember defeats Through Her Eyes 19-8
4. Another Day defeats Peruvian Skies 18-9
5. Lie defeats Panic Attack 18-8
6. Wait For Sleep defeats The Bigger Picture 15-12
7. Outcry defeats Innocence Faded 14-13
8. This Dying Soul defeats Sacrificed Sons 14-13
9. The Enemy Inside defeats Afterlife 19-7
10. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Surrender to Reason 14-13
11. This is the Life defeats 6:00 14-12
12. Erotomania defeats The Root of All Evil 14-13
13. One Last Time defeats Behind the Veil 15-12
14. Endless Sacrifice defeats These Walls 15-12
15. Misunderstood defeats On the Backs of Angels 19-8
16. Strange Déjà vu defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 14-13
Division 2 Rankings after Week 15 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *Surrounded 15-0 (+180)
2. *Misunderstood 14-1 (+121)
3. Strange déjà vu 13-2 (+121)
4. Endless Sacrifice 12-3 (+93)
5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 12-3 (+48)
6. These Walls 11-4 (+61)
7. The Root of All Evil 11-4 (+50)
8. 6:00 11-4 (+43)
9. The Ministry of Lost Souls 11-4 (+19)
10. Wait For Sleep 10-5 (+46)
11. Another Day 10-5 (+44)
12. Erotomania 9-5-1 (+31)
13. Surrender to Reason 9-6 (+42)
14. This Dying Soul 9-6 (-3)
15. The Bigger Picture 8-6-1 (+22)
16. Caught in a Web 8-6-1 (+5)
17. Sacrificed Sons 8-7 (+63)
18. The Dance of Eternity 7-7-1 (+3)
19. Lie 7-8 (+24)
20. Peruvian Skies 7-8 (-11)
21. Outcry 7-8 (-31)
22. This is the Life 6-9 (-17)
23. On the Backs of Angels 5-10 (-41)
24. A Nightmare to Remember 4-10-1 (-4)
25. X Panic Attack 3-12 (-30)
26. X Innocence Faded 3-12 (-59)
27. X The Enemy Inside 3-12 (-138)
28. X Through Her Eyes 2-13 (-153)
29. X One Last Time 1-13-1 (-110)
30. X Behind the Veil 1-14 (-55)
31. X The Best of Times 0-15 (-191)
32. X Afterlife 0-15 (-197)
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Division 1, Week 15 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43482.0
1. Pull Me Under defeats Disappear 14-11
2. 12. The Spirit Carries On defeats The Mirror 15-10
3. 6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats In the Presence of Enemies 20-5
4. 8. Voices defeats The Glass Prison 18-7
5. 13. Lines in the Sand defeats Bridges in the Sky 16-9
6. Illumination Theory defeats 11. The Count of Tuscany 13-12
7. 7. Learning to Live defeats The Great Debate 23-2
8. 15. In the Name of God defeats 4. Take the Time 13-12
9. 5. Metropolis defeats Fatal Tragedy 20-5
10. Trial of Tears defeats Hell’s Kitchen 17-8
11. Blind Faith defeats Stream of Consciousness 15-10
12. 2. Breaking All Illusions defeats 10. Space-Dye Vest 19-6
13. 16. Finally Free defeats Overture 1928 18-7
14. 3. A Change of Seasons defeats Beyond This Life 20-5
15. 1. Octavarium defeats Under a Glass Moon 22-3
16. 14. Home defeats 9. Scarred 13-12
Division 1 Rankings after Week 15 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *Octavarium 15-0 (+232)
2. *Breaking All Illusions 14-1 (+204)
3. *A Change of Seasons 14-1 (+184)
4. Metropolis 12-2-1 (+158)
5. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 12-2-1 (+109)
6. Learning to Live 12-3 (+159)
7. Take the Time 12-3 (+102)
8. Voices 11-3-1 (+52)
9. Scarred 9-4-2 (+47)
10. Lines in the Sand 9-4-2 (0)
11. The Spirit Carries On 9-4-2 (-1)
12. Space-Dye Vest 9-5-1 (-7)
13. Home 8-5-2 (+39)
14. In the Name of God 9-6 (+12)
15. The Count of Tuscany 9-6 (+9)
16. Finally Free 8-6-1 (+1)
17. Illumination Theory 8-7 (0)
18. Trial of Tears 6-7-2 (-1)
19. The Glass Prison 6-7-2 (-3)
20. The Mirror 6-8-1 (-15)
21. Blind Faith 5-9-1 (-49)
22. In the Presence of Enemies 5-10 (-71)
23. Stream of Consciousness 5-10 (-78)
24. Fatal Tragedy 4-11 (-96)
25. Under a Glass Moon 3-10-2 (-102)
26. X Disappear 2-13 (-91)
27. X Beyond This Life 2-13 (-110)
28. X The Great Debate 2-13 (-113)
29. X Bridges in the Sky 1-13-1 (-119)
30. X Hell’s Kitchen 1-14 (-121)
31. X Pull Me Under 1-14 (-165)
32. X Overture 1928 0-15 (-150)
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A very strong top 10. Good to see. :tup
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I'd been paying more attention to which songs were being promoted and relegated from each division, so I kinda forgot there are tournament places to play for as well.
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Kind of sad to see TALW missing the cut of songs to be eliminated in their division.
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Division 3, Week 16 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43518.0
1. Raise the Knife defeats Forsaken 14-9
2. Ytse Jam defeats Beneath the Surface 12-11
3. Eve defeats A Rite of Passage 13-10
4. Vacant defeats Enigma Machine 19-4
5. Hollow Years defeats Repentance 14-9
6. The Killing Hand defeats The Shattered Fortress 13-10
7. Lost Not Forgotten defeats Anna Lee 15-8
8. Constant Motion defeats Only a Matter of Time 14-8
9. Dark Eternal Night defeats Along For the Ride 15-8
10. To Live Forever defeats I Walk Beside You 13-9
11. A Fortune in Lies defeats The Answer Lies Within 14-9
12. New Millennium defeats Never Enough 14-9
13. Honor Thy Father defeats Wither 12-11
14. The Silent Man defeats Just Let Me Breathe 17-5
15. Far From Heaven defeats False Awakening Suite 14-8
16. As I Am defeats The Looking Glass 17-6
Division 3 Rankings after Week 16 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *As I Am 16-0 (+175)
2. *Vacant 14-1-1 (+102)
3. *Honor Thy Father 13-1-2 (+96)
4. *The Shattered Fortress 13-3 (+115)
5. *Lost Not Forgotten 12-3-1 (+118)
6. *The Killing Hand 11-2-3 (+56)
7. *Hollow Years 12-4 (+70)
8. *Beneath the Surface 12-4 (+62)
9. *The Looking Glass 12-4 (+45)
10. *New Millennium 12-4 (+23)
11. Ytse Jam 11-4-1 (+40)
12. Wither 10-5-1 (+55)
13. The Silent Man 9-6-1 (+63)
14. Raise the Knife 9-7 (+18)
15. Far From Heaven 8-7-1 (-10)
16. A Fortune In Lies 8-8 (+4)
17. I Walk Beside You 7-8-1 (-40)
18. Forsaken 7-9 (-28)
19. Along for the Ride 7-9 (-34)
20. The Dark Eternal Night 6-9-1 (-9)
21. Eve 6-10 (-4)
22. Repentance 6-10 (-40)
23. To Live Forever 5-10-1 (-22)
24. Constant Motion 5-10-1 (-37)
25. False Awakening Suite 5-11 (-63)
26. X Anna Lee 3-12-1 (-52)
27. X Only a Matter of Time 3-12-1 (-97)
28. X The Answer Lies Within 2-13-1 (-78)
29. X Never Enough 2-14 (-70)
30. X Enigma Machine 1-15 (-102)
31. X A Rite of Passage 0-16 (-156)
32. X Just Let Me Breathe 0-16 (-216)
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Division 2, Week 16 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43529.0
1. The Root of All Evil defeats A Nightmare to Remember 14-10
2. Sacrificed Sons defeats The Bigger Picture 14-10
3. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats Afterlife 15-8
4. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Panic Attack 15-10
5. Another Day defeats 6:00 14-10
6. Caught in a Web defeats One Last Time 14-9
7. On the Backs of Angels defeats The Best of Times 16-8
8. Misunderstood defeats Through Her Eyes 19-6
9. The Dance of Eternity defeats Outcry 14-10
10. Endless Sacrifice defeats Peruvian Skies 17-8
11. Lie defeats Behind the Veil 16-8
12. Strange Déjà vu defeats Erotomania 16-8
13. Wait For Sleep defeats This is the Life 14-10
14. Surrender to Reason defeats Innocence Faded 13-11
15. This Dying Soul defeats The Enemy Inside 13-11
16. Surrounded defeats These Walls 14-11
Division 2 Rankings after Week 16 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *Surrounded 16-0 (+183)
2. *Misunderstood 15-1 (+134)
3. *Strange déjà vu 14-2 (+129)
4. *Endless Sacrifice 13-3 (+102)
5. *Lifting Shadows off a Dream 13-3 (+53)
6. The Root of All Evil 12-4 (+54)
7. The Ministry of Lost Souls 12-4 (+26)
8. These Walls 11-5 (+64)
9. Wait For Sleep 11-5 (+50)
10. Another Day 11-5 (+48)
11. 6:00 11-5 (+39)
12. Surrender to Reason 10-6 (+44)
13. This Dying Soul 10-6 (-1)
14. Erotomania 9-6-1 (+23)
15. Caught in a Web 9-6-1 (+10)
16. Sacrificed Sons 9-7 (+67)
17. The Bigger Picture 8-7-1 (+18)
18. The Dance of Eternity 8-7-1 (+7)
19. Lie 8-8 (+32)
20. Peruvian Skies 7-9 (-20)
21. Outcry 7-9 (-35)
22. This is the Life 6-10 (-21)
23. On the Backs of Angels 6-10 (-33)
24. A Nightmare to Remember 4-11-1 (-8)
25. X Panic Attack 3-13 (-35)
26. X Innocence Faded 3-13 (-61)
27. X The Enemy Inside 3-13 (-140)
28. X Through Her Eyes 2-14 (-166)
29. X One Last Time 1-14-1 (-115)
30. X Behind the Veil 1-15 (-63)
31. X The Best of Times 0-16 (-199)
32. X Afterlife 0-16 (-204)
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Division 1, Week 16 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43544.0
1. Overture 1928 defeats Blind Faith 14-11
2. Under a Glass Moon defeats In the Presence of Enemies 13-12
3. Trial of Tears defeats Stream of Consciousness 17-8
4. The Glass Prison defeats The Great Debate 15-9
5. #6 Learning to Live defeats Disappear 19-5
6. #13 Home defeats Beyond This Life 17-8
7. #2 Breaking All Illusions defeats Hell’s Kitchen 19-6
8. #7 Take the Time defeats The Mirror 16-9
9. #11 The Spirit Carries On defeats Fatal Tragedy 13-12
10. #5 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Bridges in the Sky 18-7
11. #15 The Count of Tuscany defeats Pull Me Under 17-8
12. Illumination Theory defeats #10 Lines in the Sand 13-12
13. #9 Scarred defeats #16 Finally Free 15-10
14. #4 Metropolis defeats #12 Space-Dye Vest 20-5
15. #14 In the Name of God defeats #8 Voices 13-12
16. #1 Octavarium defeats #3 A Change of Seasons 15-10
Division 1 Rankings after Week 16 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *Octavarium 16-0 (+237)
2. *Breaking All Illusions 15-1 (+217)
3. *A Change of Seasons 14-2 (+179)
4. *Metropolis 13-2-1 (+173)
5. *Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 13-2-1 (+120)
6. *Learning to Live 13-3 (+173)
7. *Take the Time 13-3 (+109)
8. Voices 11-4-1 (+51)
9. Scarred 10-4-2 (+52)
10. The Spirit Carries On 10-4-2 (0)
11. Home 9-5-2 (+48)
12. The Count of Tuscany 10-6 (+18)
13. In the Name of God 10-6 (+13)
14. Lines in the Sand 9-5-2 (-1)
15. Space-Dye Vest 9-6-1 (-22)
16. Illumination Theory 9-7 (+1)
17. Finally Free 8-7-1 (-4)
18. Trial of Tears 7-7-2 (+8)
19. The Glass Prison 7-7-2 (+3)
20. The Mirror 6-9-1 (-22)
21. Blind Faith 5-10-1 (-52)
22. In the Presence of Enemies 5-11 (-70)
23. Stream of Consciousness 5-11 (-87)
24. Under a Glass Moon 4-10-2 (-101)
25. X Fatal Tragedy 4-12 (-97)
26. X Disappear 2-14 (-105)
27. X Beyond This Life 2-14 (-119)
28. X The Great Debate 2-14 (-119)
29. X Bridges in the Sky 1-14-1 (-130)
30. X Hell’s Kitchen 1-15 (-134)
31. X Pull Me Under 1-15 (-174)
32. X Overture 1928 1-15 (-147)
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I'm really surprised that BITS is doing so poorly.
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I'm really surprised that BITS is doing so poorly.
Me too. I genuinely thought that it was one of the more loved songs of the Mangini era.
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I'm really surprised that BITS is doing so poorly.
Me too. I genuinely thought that it was one of the more loved songs of the Mangini era.
It is.. Along with BAI and IT it's in Division 1, while the other songs of that period are in divisions below, and in Division 2 they appear not until the 12th place onwards..
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Division 3, Week 17 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43565.0
1. False Awakening Suite defeats Constant Motion 14-13
2. Hollow Years defeats A Rite of Passage 20-7
3. The Killing Hand defeats Beneath the Surface 14-13
4. Raise the Knife defeats Anna Lee 18-8
5. The Silent Man defeats Enigma Machine 19-8
6. Only a Matter of Time defeats Just Let Me Breathe 19-7
7. Along for the Ride defeats Forsaken 14-13
8. To Live Forever defeats Ytse Jam 14-13
9. Eve defeats The Answer Lies Within 14-13
10. Vacant defeats Never Enough 21-6
11. Wither defeats Repentance 16-11
12. Lost Not Forgotten defeats Far From Heaven 17-10
13. As I Am defeats The Dark Eternal Night 19-8
14. Honor Thy Father defeats I Walk Beside You 16-11
15. A Fortune in Lies defeats New Millennium 18-9
16. The Shattered Fortress defeats The Looking Glass 15-12
Division 3 Rankings after Week 17 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *As I Am 17-0 (+186)
2. *Vacant 15-1-1 (+117)
3. *Honor Thy Father 14-1-2 (+101)
4. *The Shattered Fortress 14-3 (+118)
5. *Lost Not Forgotten 13-3-1 (+125)
6. *The Killing Hand 12-2-3 (+57)
7. *Hollow Years 13-4 (+83)
8. *Beneath the Surface 12-5 (+61)
9. *The Looking Glass 12-5 (+48)
10. *New Millennium 12-5 (+32)
11. *Wither 11-5-1 (+60)
12. *Ytse Jam 11-5-1 (+39)
13. The Silent Man 10-6-1 (+74)
14. Raise the Knife 10-7 (+28)
15. A Fortune In Lies 9-8 (+13)
16. Far From Heaven 8-8-1 (-17)
17. Along for the Ride 8-9 (-33)
18. I Walk Beside You 7-9-1 (-45)
19. Eve 7-10 (-3)
20. Forsaken 7-10 (-29)
21. The Dark Eternal Night 6-10-1 (-20)
22. To Live Forever 6-10-1 (-21)
23. Repentance 6-11 (-45)
24. False Awakening Suite 6-11 (-62)
25. Constant Motion 5-11-1 (-38)
26. X Only a Matter of Time 4-12-1 (-85)
27. X Anna Lee 3-13-1 (-62)
28. X The Answer Lies Within 2-14-1 (-79)
29. X Never Enough 2-15 (-85)
30. X Enigma Machine 1-16 (-113)
31. X A Rite of Passage 0-17 (-169)
32. X Just Let Me Breathe 0-17 (-216)
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Division 2, Week 17 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43571.0
1. Lie defeats On the Backs of Angels 17-9
2. The Enemy Inside defeats This is the Life 14-13
3. This Dying Soul defeats Erotomania 15-12
4. Innocence Faded defeats Behind the Veil 15-12
5. Endless Sacrifice defeats Wait For Sleep 15-12
6. These Walls defeats Peruvian Skies 17-10
7. One Last Time defeats Through Her Eyes 20-7
8. The Root of All Evil defeats The Best of Times 20-7
9. Surrounded defeats 6:00 19-8
10. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Caught in a Web 14-13
11. A Nightmare to Remember defeats Afterlife 17-10
12. Another Day defeats Sacrificed Sons 17-10
13. Outcry defeats Panic Attack 16-11
14. The Bigger Picture defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 17-10
15. The Dance of Eternity defeats Surrender to Reason 16-11
16. Misunderstood defeats Strange Déjà vu 17-10
Division 2 Rankings after Week 17 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *Surrounded 17-0 (+194)
2. *Misunderstood 16-1 (+141)
3. *Strange déjà vu 14-3 (+122)
4. *Endless Sacrifice 14-3 (+105)
5. *Lifting Shadows off a Dream 14-3 (+54)
6. *The Root of All Evil 13-4 (+67)
7. These Walls 12-5 (+71)
8. Another Day 12-5 (+55)
9. The Ministry of Lost Souls 12-5 (+19)
10. Wait For Sleep 11-6 (+47)
11. 6:00 11-6 (+28)
12. This Dying Soul 11-6 (+2)
13. Surrender to Reason 10-7 (+39)
14. The Bigger Picture 9-7-1 (+25)
15. Erotomania 9-7-1 (+20)
16. The Dance of Eternity 9-7-1 (+12)
17. Caught in a Web 9-7-1 (+9)
18. Sacrificed Sons 9-8 (+60)
19. Lie 9-8 (+40)
20. Outcry 8-9 (-30)
21. Peruvian Skies 7-10 (-27)
22. X This is the Life 6-11 (-22)
23. X On the Backs of Angels 6-11 (-41)
24. X A Nightmare to Remember 5-11-1 (-1)
25. X Innocence Faded 4-13 (-58)
26. X The Enemy Inside 4-13 (-139)
27. X Panic Attack 3-14 (-40)
28. X One Last Time 2-14-1 (-102)
29. X Through Her Eyes 2-15 (-179)
30. X Behind the Veil 1-16 (-66)
31. X The Best of Times 0-17 (-212)
32. X Afterlife 0-17 (-211)
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Division 1, Week 17 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43577.0
1. Bridges in the Sky defeats Disappear 14-12
2. #16 Illumination Theory defeats The Great Debate 14-12
3. #8 Voices defeats Pull Me Under 20-6
4. The Glass Prison defeats #10 The Spirit Carries On 14-12
5. #2 Breaking All Illusions defeats The Mirror 19-7
6. Trial of Tears defeats Fatal Tragedy 14-10
7. Blind Faith defeats #15 Space-Dye Vest 16-10
8. #6 Learning to Live defeats #7 Take the Time 19-7
9. Finally Free defeats Hell’s Kitchen 18-8
10. #11 Home defeats Stream of Consciousness 18-8
11. #14 Lines in the Sand defeats In the Presence of Enemies 15-11
12. #3 A Change of Seasons defeats Overture 1928 21-5
13. #9 Scarred defeats Under a Glass Moon 16-10
14. #4 Metropolis defeats #13 In the Name of God 18-8
15. #1 Octavarium defeats Beyond This Life 23-2
16. #5 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats #12 The Count of Tuscany 16-10
Division 1 Rankings after Week 17 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *Octavarium 17-0 (+258)
2. *Breaking All Illusions 16-1 (+229)
3. *A Change of Seasons 15-2 (+195)
4. *Metropolis 14-2-1 (+183)
5. *Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 14-2-1 (+126)
6. *Learning to Live 14-3 (+185)
7. *Take the Time 13-4 (+97)
8. Voices 12-4-1 (+65)
9. Scarred 11-4-2 (+58)
10. Home 10-5-2 (+58)
11. Lines in the Sand 10-5-2 (+3)
12. The Spirit Carries On 10-5-2 (-2)
13. The Count of Tuscany 10-7 (+12)
14. Illumination Theory 10-7 (+3)
15. In the Name of God 10-7 (+3)
16. Finally Free 9-7-1 (+6)
17. Space-Dye Vest 9-7-1 (-28)
18. Trial of Tears 8-7-2 (+12)
19. The Glass Prison 8-7-2 (+5)
20. The Mirror 6-10-1 (-34)
21. Blind Faith 6-10-1 (-46)
22. X In the Presence of Enemies 5-12 (-74)
23. X Stream of Consciousness 5-12 (-97)
24. X Under a Glass Moon 4-11-2 (-107)
25. X Fatal Tragedy 4-13 (-101)
26. X Bridges in the Sky 2-14-1 (-128)
27. X Disappear 2-15 (-107)
28. X The Great Debate 2-15 (-119)
29. X Beyond This Life 2-15 (-140)
30. X Hell’s Kitchen 1-16 (-144)
31. X Overture 1928 1-16 (-163)
32. X Pull Me Under 1-16 (-188)
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I'm surprised to see Take the Time at #7. Not that I mind, I'm just surprised.
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I'm not as surprised at that as much as I'm surprised 8V is number 1.
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Isn't it always though? Either 1 or 2? Nothing shocking there for me.
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Isn't it always though? Either 1 or 2? Nothing shocking there for me.
I don't recall it's placing in the past. I just always figured ACOS, Metropolis, or LTL will be one of the number 1 songs.
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Not only did Octavarium win the 2014 Tournament, but it has won it's last 46 matches going back to Week 1 of the 2014 Season.
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Not only did Octavarium win the 2014 Tournament, but it has won it's last 46 matches going back to Week 1 of the 2014 Season.
Interesting. What did it last lose to?
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Not only did Octavarium win the 2014 Tournament, but it has won it's last 46 matches going back to Week 1 of the 2014 Season.
Interesting. What did it last lose to?
From the Final Four of the 2013 Tournament:
Petrucci Semifinal 1
1. Learning to Live vs. 1. In the Name of God 32-13
Petrucci Semifinal 2
1. A Change of Seasons defeats 1. Octavarium 24-17
Championship Match
1. A Change of Seasons defeats 1. Learning to Live 24-19
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Now that's more like it. ;)
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I am most surprised that Hell's Kitchen is 1-16.
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Nothing on this forum surprises me in the least. More like pissed off.
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Nothing on this forum surprises me in the least. More like pissed off.
None of this is important enough to piss me off.
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Now that's surprising.
Illumination Theory climbs to #14. Ridiculous. :\
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What's really ridiculous is that Trial of Tears and Glass Prison are 18 & 19.
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What's really ridiculous is that Trial of Tears and Glass Prison are 18 & 19.
Agreed.
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Good to see that Bridges has climbed out of the red zone. I know it can't reach the tournament, but hopefully it will be able to compete in Division 1 next year and hopefully do better.
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No Division 3 today?
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No Division 3 today?
Just posted it. Sorry for the delay.... had a long day.
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No Division 3 today?
Just posted it. Sorry for the delay.... had a long day.
It's all good.
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I love the Top 5, so far.
1. *Octavarium 17-0 (+258) The perfection of the DT epic
2. *Breaking All Illusions 16-1 (+229) The perfection of the DT classic
3. *A Change of Seasons 15-2 (+195) The first DT epic
4. *Metropolis 14-2-1 (+183) The first DT classic
5. *Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 14-2-1 (+126) The most ambitious DT project
I also love that each the Top 4 songs, so far, have a different DT lineup. :metal
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I haven't had a chance to update the standings yet. Will probably hit that tomorrow. Gonna start the next week in a few minutes.
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Division 3, Week 18 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43595.0
1. Hollow Years defeats Anna Lee 18-7
2. Only a Matter of Time & Enigma Machine tie 12-12
3. Along for the Ride defeats A Rite of Passage 15-10
4. Beneath the Surface defeats To Live Forever 13-12
5. Raise the Knife defeats The Answer Lies Within 18-7
6. Never Enough defeats Just Let Me Breathe 17-7
7. The Killing Hand defeats The Silent Man 16-9
8. Wither defeats Forsaken 17-8
9. The Looking Glass defeats Ytse Jam 13-12
10. Far From Heaven defeats Eve 13-12
11. Vacant defeats False Awakening Suite 19-6
12. As I Am defeats Repentance 20-5
13. Lost Not Forgotten defeats New Millennium 16-8
14. A Fortune in Lies defeats Constant Motion 14-11
15. The Dark Eternal Night defeats I Walk Beside You 13-12
16. The Shattered Fortress defeats Honor Thy Father 15-9
Division 3 Rankings after Week 18 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *As I Am 18-0 (+201)
2. *Vacant 16-1-1 (+130)
3. *The Shattered Fortress 15-3 (+124)
4. *Honor Thy Father 14-2-2 (+95)
5. *Lost Not Forgotten 14-3-1 (+133)
6. *The Killing Hand 13-2-3 (+64)
7. *Hollow Years 14-4 (+94)
8. *Beneath the Surface 13-5 (+62)
9. *The Looking Glass 13-5 (+49)
10. *Wither 12-5-1 (+69)
11. *New Millennium 12-6 (+24)
12. *Ytse Jam 11-6-1 (+38)
13. Raise the Knife 11-7 (+39)
14. The Silent Man 10-7-1 (+67)
15. A Fortune In Lies 10-8 (+16)
16. Far From Heaven 9-8-1 (-16)
17. Along for the Ride 9-9 (-28)
18. The Dark Eternal Night 7-10-1 (-19)
19. I Walk Beside You 7-10-1 (-46)
20. X Eve 7-11 (-4)
21. X Forsaken 7-11 (-38)
22. X To Live Forever 6-11-1 (-22)
23. X Repentance 6-12 (-60)
24. X False Awakening Suite 6-12 (-75)
25. X Constant Motion 5-12-1 (-41)
26. X Only a Matter of Time 4-12-2 (-85)
27. X Anna Lee 3-14-1 (-73)
28. X Never Enough 3-15 (-75)
29. X The Answer Lies Within 2-15-1 (-90)
30. X Enigma Machine 1-16-1 (-113)
31. X A Rite of Passage 0-18 (-174)
32. X Just Let Me Breathe 0-18 (-226)
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Division 2, Week 18 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43600.0
1. Strange Déjà vu & A Nightmare to Remember tie 12-12
2. On the Backs of Angels defeats One Last Time 16-8
3. The Dance of Eternity & These Walls tie 12-12
4. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Behind the Veil 15-9
5. Erotomania defeats Afterlife 21-3
6. Sacrificed Sons defeats This is the Life 14-10
7. The Bigger Picture defeats The Enemy Inside 16-8
8. Endless Sacrifice defeats 6:00 17-7
9. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats This Dying Soul 14-10
10. Panic Attack defeats Innocence Faded 14-10
11. Another Day defeats Wait For Sleep 13-11
12. Caught in a Web defeats Lie 14-9
13. Surrounded defeats Peruvian Skies 18-5
14. Through Her Eyes defeats The Best of Times 15-9
15. Outcry defeats Surrender to Reason 12-11
16. Misunderstood defeats The Root of All Evil 15-9
Division 2 Rankings after Week 18 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *Surrounded 18-0 (+207)
2. *Misunderstood 17-1 (+147)
3. *Endless Sacrifice 15-3 (+115)
4. *Lifting Shadows off a Dream 15-3 (+60)
5. *Strange déjà vu 14-3-1 (+122)
6. *The Root of All Evil 13-5 (+61)
7. *Another Day 13-5 (+57)
8. *The Ministry of Lost Souls 13-5 (+23)
9. *These Walls 12-5-1 (+71)
10. Wait For Sleep 11-7 (+45)
11. 6:00 11-7 (+18)
12. This Dying Soul 11-7 (-2)
13. Erotomania 10-7-1 (+38)
14. The Bigger Picture 10-7-1 (+33)
15. Caught in a Web 10-7-1 (+14)
16. Sacrificed Sons 10-8 (+64)
17. Surrender to Reason 10-8 (+38)
18. The Dance of Eternity 9-7-2 (+12)
19. Lie 9-9 (+35)
20. Outcry 9-9 (-29)
21. X On the Backs of Angels 7-11 (-33)
22. X Peruvian Skies 7-11 (-40)
23. X This is the Life 6-12 (-26)
24. X A Nightmare to Remember 5-11-2 (-1)
25. X Panic Attack 4-14 (-36)
26. X Innocence Faded 4-14 (-62)
27. X The Enemy Inside 4-14 (-147)
28. X Through Her Eyes 3-15 (-173)
29. X One Last Time 2-15-1 (-110)
30. X Behind the Veil 1-17 (-72)
31. X The Best of Times 0-18 (-218)
32. X Afterlife 0-18 (-229)
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Division 1, Week 18 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43605.0
1. Pull Me Under defeats Overture 1928 14-10
2. The Glass Prison defeats Hell’s Kitchen 13-11
3. Bridges in the Sky defeats Beyond This Life 13-11
4. Fatal Tragedy defeats The Mirror 16-8
5. #4 Metropolis defeats In the Presence of Enemies 16-8
6. #8 Voices defeats Blind Faith 15-9
7. #15 In the Name of God defeats Space-Dye Vest 14-10
8. #9 Scarred & #14 Illumination Theory tie 12-12
9. Trial of Tears defeats #7 Take the Time 14-10
10. #10 Home defeats Disappear 15-9
11. #11 Lines in the Sand defeats Under a Glass Moon 14-10
12. #2 Breaking All Illusions defeats #12 The Spirit Carries On 19-5
13. #16 Finally Free defeats The Great Debate 17-6
14. #6 Learning to Live defeats Stream of Consciousness 16-8
15. #3 A Change of Seasons defeats #13 The Count of Tuscany 15-9
16. #1 Octavarium defeats #5 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 15-8
Division 1 Rankings after Week 18 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *Octavarium 18-0 (+265)
2. *Breaking All Illusions 17-1 (+243)
3. *A Change of Seasons 16-2 (+201)
4. *Metropolis 15-2-1 (+191)
5. *Learning to Live 15-3 (+193)
6. *Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 14-3-1 (+119)
7. *Voices 13-4-1 (+71)
8. *Take the Time 13-5 (+93)
9. *Scarred 11-4-3 (+58)
10. *Home 11-5-2 (+64)
11. *Lines in the Sand 11-5-2 (+7)
12. In the Name of God 11-7 (+7)
13. The Spirit Carries On 10-6-2 (-16)
14. Finally Free 10-7-1 (+17)
15. Illumination Theory 10-7-1 (+3)
16. Trial of Tears 9-7-2 (+16)
17. The Glass Prison 9-7-2 (+7)
18. The Count of Tuscany 10-8 (+6)
19. Space-Dye Vest 9-8-1 (-32)
20. X The Mirror 6-11-1 (-42)
21. X Blind Faith 6-11-1 (-52)
22. X In the Presence of Enemies 5-13 (-82)
23. X Stream of Consciousness 5-13 (-105)
24. X Fatal Tragedy 5-13 (-109)
25. X Under a Glass Moon 4-12-2 (-111)
26. X Bridges in the Sky 3-14-1 (-126)
27. X Disappear 2-16 (-113)
28. X The Great Debate 2-16 (-130)
29. X Beyond This Life 2-16 (-142)
30. X Pull Me Under 2-16 (-184)
31. X Hell’s Kitchen 1-17 (-146)
32. X Overture 1928 1-17 (-167)
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Division 3, Week 19 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43625.0
1. The Killing Hand defeats A Fortune in Lies 16-4
2. The Looking Glass defeats Never Enough 14-8
3. The Answer Lies Within defeats Far From Heaven 12-10
4. Hollow Years defeats I Walk Beside You 15-7
5. To Live Forever defeats False Awakening Suite 13-8
6. As I Am defeats Along for the Ride 18-4
7. Honor Thy Father defeats Only a Matter of Time 16-6
8. New Millennium defeats Anna Lee 13-9
9. Wither defeats The Silent Man 13-9
10. The Dark Eternal Night defeats Enigma Machine 12-8
11. Constant Motion defeats A Rite of Passage 14-7
12. Repentance defeats Just Let Me Breathe 15-7
13. Vacant defeats Forsaken 16-5
14. Eve defeats Ytse Jam 13-9
15. Lost Not Forgotten defeats Beneath the Surface 13-9
16. Raise the Knife defeats The Shattered Fortress 12-10
Division 3 Rankings after Week 19 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *As I Am 19-0 (+215)
2. *Vacant 17-1-1 (+141)
3. *Honor Thy Father 15-2-2 (+105)
4. *Lost Not Forgotten 15-3-1 (+137)
5. *The Killing Hand 14-2-3 (+76)
6. *The Shattered Fortress 15-4 (+122)
7. *Hollow Years 15-4 (+102)
8. *The Looking Glass 14-5 (+55)
9. *Wither 13-5-1 (+73)
10. *Beneath the Surface 13-6 (+58)
11. *New Millennium 13-6 (+28)
12. *Raise the Knife 12-7 (+41)
13. *Ytse Jam 11-7-1 (+34)
14. *The Silent Man 10-8-1 (+63)
15. A Fortune In Lies 10-9 (+4)
16. Far From Heaven 9-9-1 (-18)
17. Along for the Ride 9-10 (-42)
18. The Dark Eternal Night 8-10-1 (-15)
19. X Eve 8-11 (0)
20. X To Live Forever 7-11-1 (-17)
21. X I Walk Beside You 7-11-1 (-54)
22. X Forsaken 7-12 (-49)
23. X Repentance 7-12 (-52)
24. X Constant Motion 6-12-1 (-34)
25. X False Awakening Suite 6-13 (-80)
26. X Only a Matter of Time 4-13-2 (-85)
27. X Anna Lee 3-15-1 (-77)
28. X The Answer Lies Within 3-15-1 (-88)
29. X Never Enough 3-16 (-81)
30. X Enigma Machine 1-17-1 (-117)
31. X A Rite of Passage 0-19 (-181)
32. X Just Let Me Breathe 0-19 (-234)
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Division 2, Week 19 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43630.0
1. The Root of All Evil defeats Lifting Shadows off a Dream 13-12
2. One Last Time defeats Afterlife 17-8
3. Sacrificed Sons defeats These Walls 13-12
4. On the Backs of Angels defeats Outcry 13-12
5. Misunderstood defeats The Bigger Picture 16-9
6. Panic Attack defeats Behind the Veil 14-11
7. Erotomania defeats Another Day 15-10
8. The Dance of Eternity defeats 6:00 16-9
9. This is the Life defeats A Nightmare to Remember 15-10
10. Surrounded defeats The Enemy Inside 22-3
11. This Dying Soul defeats The Best of Times 17-8
12. Innocence Faded defeats Through Her Eyes 19-6
13. Wait for Sleep defeats Peruvian Skies 15-10
14. Strange Déjà vu defeats Lie 20-5
15. Surrender to Reason defeats Caught in a Web 18-7
16. Endless Sacrifice defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 15-10
Division 2 Rankings after Week 19 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *Surrounded 19-0 (+226)
2. *Misunderstood 18-1 (+154)
3. *Endless Sacrifice 16-3 (+120)
4. *Strange déjà vu 15-3-1 (+137)
5. *Lifting Shadows off a Dream 15-4 (+59)
6. *The Root of All Evil 14-5 (+62)
7. *Another Day 13-6 (+52)
8. *The Ministry of Lost Souls 13-6 (+18)
9. *These Walls 12-6-1 (+70)
10. *Wait For Sleep 12-7 (+50)
11. *This Dying Soul 12-7 (+7)
12. Erotomania 11-7-1 (+43)
13. Sacrificed Sons 11-8 (+65)
14. Surrender to Reason 11-8 (+49)
15. The Dance of Eternity 10-7-2 (+19)
16. 6:00 11-8 (+11)
17. The Bigger Picture 10-8-1 (+26)
18. Caught in a Web 10-8-1 (+3)
19. X Lie 9-10 (+50)
20. X Outcry 9-10 (-30)
21. X On the Backs of Angels 8-11 (-32)
22. X This is the Life 7-12 (-21)
23. X Peruvian Skies 7-12 (-45)
24. X A Nightmare to Remember 5-12-2 (-6)
25. X Panic Attack 5-14 (-33)
26. X Innocence Faded 5-14 (-75)
27. X The Enemy Inside 4-14 (-147)
28. X One Last Time 3-15-1 (-101)
29. X Through Her Eyes 3-16 (-186)
30. X Behind the Veil 1-18 (-75)
31. X The Best of Times 0-19 (-227)
32. X Afterlife 0-19 (-238)
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Division 1, Week 19 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43634.0
1. In the Presence of Enemies defeats Overture 1928 16-7
2. #9 Scarred defeats Stream of Consciousness 15-8
3. Beyond This Life defeats Hell’s Kitchen 14-9
4. #1 Octavarium defeats Space-Dye Vest 22-2
5. Disappear defeats The Great Debate 13-11
6. Under a Glass Moon defeats Fatal Tragedy 12-11
7. #3 A Change of Seasons defeats The Mirror 16-7
8. The Glass Prison defeats #14 Finally Free 13-11
9. #5 Learning to Live defeats Blind Faith 18-6
10. #16 Trial of Tears defeats Pull Me Under 16-7
11. #2 Breaking All Illusions defeats #15 Illumination Theory 15-9
12. #6 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats #13 The Spirit Carries On 17-6
13. #4 Metropolis defeats Bridges in the Sky 17-6
14. #8 Take the Time defeats #11 Lines in the Sand 13-10
15. #7 Voices defeats The Count of Tuscany 13-10
16. #12 In the Name of God defeats #10 Home 15-9
Division 1 Rankings after Week 19 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 2). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record will be applied at season’s end.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *Octavarium 19-0 (+285)
2. *Breaking All Illusions 18-1 (+249)
3. *A Change of Seasons 17-2 (+210)
4. *Metropolis 16-2-1 (+202)
5. *Learning to Live 16-3 (+205)
6. *Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 15-3-1 (+130)
7. *Voices 14-4-1 (+74)
8. *Take the Time 14-5 (+96)
9. *Scarred 12-4-3 (+65)
10. *Home 11-6-2 (+70)
11. *Lines in the Sand 11-6-2 (+4)
12. *In the Name of God 12-7 (+13)
13. Trial of Tears 10-7-2 (+25)
14. The Glass Prison 10-7-2 (+9)
15. The Spirit Carries On 10-7-2 (-27)
16. Finally Free 10-8-1 (+15)
17. Illumination Theory 10-8-1 (-3)
18. The Count of Tuscany 10-9 (+3)
19. Space-Dye Vest 9-9-1 (-52)
20. X The Mirror 6-12-1 (-51)
21. X Blind Faith 6-12-1 (-64)
22. X In the Presence of Enemies 6-13 (-73)
23. X Under a Glass Moon 5-12-2 (-110)
24. X Fatal Tragedy 5-14 (-110)
25. X Stream of Consciousness 5-14 (-112)
26. X Bridges in the Sky 3-15-1 (-137)
27. X Disappear 3-16 (-111)
28. X Beyond This Life 3-16 (-137)
29. X The Great Debate 2-17 (-132)
30. X Pull Me Under 2-17 (-193)
31. X Hell’s Kitchen 1-18 (-151)
32. X Overture 1928 1-18 (-176)
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For Tier 3, TDEN is paired with FFH on the last round, and will surpass it if it wins. But there's a catch: if AFTR wins, TDEN has no chances of making it to top 16.
Although I prefer TDEN over FFH or AFTR, I voted TDEN and AFTR on round 20, making it harder for TDEN than it would be with a "strategical vote".
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Division 3, Week 20 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43656.0
1. Beneath the Surface defeats Enigma Machine 15-7
2. The Silent Man defeats A Rite of Passage 17-5
3. Hollow Years defeats Raise the Knife 15-7
4. The Killing Hand defeats Just Let Me Breathe 20-1
5. Anna Lee defeats Forsaken 13-9
6. Ytse Jam defeats Only a Matter of Time 12-7
7. Vacant defeats To Live Forever 13-8
8. Repentance defeats The Answer Lies Within 13-9
9. The Shattered Fortress defeats Never Enough 14-8
10. Lost Not Forgotten defeats Wither 13-9
11. The Looking Glass defeats Constant Motion 16-6
12. I Walk Beside You defeats False Awakening Suite 13-9
13. Honor Thy Father defeats New Millennium 12-10
14. As I Am defeats A Fortune in Lies 12-9
15. Along for the Ride defeats Eve 12-10
16. The Dark Eternal Night defeats Far From Heaven 12-10
Division 3 Rankings after the regular season has concluded (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Red songs are demoted from Division 3 and join the outsider's list). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record have been applied.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *As I Am 20-0 (+218)
2. *Vacant 18-1-1 (+146)
3. *Honor Thy Father 16-2-2 (+107)
4. *Lost Not Forgotten 16-3-1 (+141)
5. *The Killing Hand 15-2-3 (+95)
6. *The Shattered Fortress 16-4 (+128)
7. *Hollow Years 16-4 (+110)
8. *The Looking Glass 15-5 (+65)
9. *Beneath the Surface 14-6 (+64)
10. *Wither 13-6-1 (+69)
11. *New Millennium 13-7 (+26)
12. *Ytse Jam 12-7-1 (+39)
13. *Raise the Knife 12-8 (+33)
14. *The Silent Man 11-8-1 (+75)
15. *A Fortune In Lies 10-10 (+1)
16. *Along for the Ride 10-10 (-40)
17. X The Dark Eternal Night 9-10-1 (-13)
18. X Far From Heaven 9-10-1 (-20)
19. X I Walk Beside You 8-11-1 (-50)
20. X Eve 8-12 (-2)
21. X Repentance 8-12 (-48)
22. X To Live Forever 7-12-1 (-22)
23. X Forsaken 7-13 (-53)
24. X Constant Motion 6-13-1 (-44)
25. X False Awakening Suite 6-14 (-84)
26. X Only a Matter of Time 4-14-2 (-90)
27. X Anna Lee 4-15-1 (-73)
28. X The Answer Lies Within 3-16-1 (-92)
29. X Never Enough 3-17 (-87)
30. X Enigma Machine 1-18-1 (-125)
31. X A Rite of Passage 0-20 (-193)
32. X Just Let Me Breathe 0-20 (-253)
Tiebreakers
#4 – LNF & TKH tied 12-12 in Week 15. LNF claims the #4 seed based on a better point differential.
#6 – TSF defeated HY 13-11 in Wek 15.
#15 – AFIL & AFTR did not meet during the season. AFIL claims the #15 seed based on a better point differential.
#17 – TDEN defeated FFM 12-20 in Week 20.
#20 – Eve & Repentance did not meet during the season. Eve finished in 20th place based on a better point differential.
The Division 3 Tournament will begin after the conclusion of the Album Tournaments.
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If those four are going to join the outsider's list I guess they won't participate again until next year's league, am I right?..
Because since the moment I saw the last two (ARoP and JLMB) weren't winning a single match I wanted to see them confronting each other, to know which would win.. I'm now considering doing that poll... I mean, only if you won't..
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I'm thinking about having a survivor to determine the 4 songs that would be "promoted" to Division 3. Suppose I could include the 4 bottom songs in that.
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Ok.. I'll wait then.. :tup
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Division 2, Week 20 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43661.0
1. Surrounded defeats Another Day 16-8
2. Misunderstood defeats Behind the Veil 16-8
3. These Walls defeats This is the Life 15-9
4. The Root of All Evil defeats The Enemy Inside 15-7
5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats Innocence Faded 13-11
6. Wait for Sleep defeats Afterlife 18-6
7. Lie defeats Outcry 13-11
8. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats Through Her Eyes 15-9
9. Panic Attack defeats The Best of Times 15-8
10. Caught in a Web & A Nightmare to Remember tie 12-12
11. Endless Sacrifice defeats The Dance of Eternity 15-9
12. 6:00 defeats This Dying Soul 14-10
13. Peruvian Skies defeats The Bigger Picture 13-11
14. Surrender to Reason defeats One Last Time 13-11
15. Erotomania defeats On the Backs of Angels 14-10
16. Strange Déjà vu & Sacrificed Sons tie 12-12
Division 2 Rankings after the regular season has concluded (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Red songs are demoted from Division 2 and sent to Division 3). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record have been applied.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *Surrounded 20-0 (+234)
2. *Misunderstood 19-1 (+162)
3. *Endless Sacrifice 17-3 (+126)
4. *Strange déjà vu 15-3-2 (+137)
5. *Lifting Shadows off a Dream 16-4 (+61)
6. *The Root of All Evil 15-5 (+70)
7. *The Ministry of Lost Souls 14-6 (+24)
8. *These Walls 13-6-1 (+76)
9. *Wait For Sleep 13-7 (+62)
10. *Another Day 13-7 (+44)
11. *Erotomania 12-7-1 (+47)
12. *6:00 12-8 (+15)
13. *This Dying Soul 12-8 (+3)
14. *Surrender to Reason 12-8 (+51)
15. *Sacrificed Sons 11-8-1 (+65)
16. *The Dance of Eternity 10-8-2 (+13)
17. Caught in a Web 10-8-2 (+3)
18. The Bigger Picture 10-9-1 (+28)
19. X Lie 10-10 (+52)
20. X Outcry 9-11 (-32)
21. X On the Backs of Angels 8-12 (-36)
22. X Peruvian Skies 8-12 (-43)
23. X This is the Life 7-13 (-21)
24. X A Nightmare to Remember 5-12-3 (-6)
25. X Panic Attack 6-14 (-26)
26. X Innocence Faded 5-15 (-77)
27. X The Enemy Inside 4-16 (-166)
28. X One Last Time 3-16-1 (-103)
29. X Through Her Eyes 3-17 (-192)
30. X Behind the Veil 1-19 (-83)
31. X The Best of Times 0-20 (-234)
32. X Afterlife 0-20 (-250)
Tiebreakers
#4 – SDV & LSOAD did not meet during the season. SDV claims the #4 seed based on a better point differential.
#9 – AD defeated WFS 13-11 in Week 20.
#12 – TDS defeated STR 16-13 in Week 2, 6:00 defeated STR 16-15 in Week 10, 6:00 defeated TDS 14-10 in Week 20
#13 - TDS defeated STR 16-13 in Week 2.
#16 - TDOE defeated CIAW 17-12 in Week 8.
#21 - OTBOA & PS did not meet during the season. OTBOA finished in 21st place based on a better point differential.
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Division 1, Week 20 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43666.0
1. #1 Octavarium defeats #9 Scarred 20-6
2. #2 Breaking All Illusions defeats #12 In the Name of God 15-11
3. #3 A Change of Seasons defeats Stream of Consciousness 19-6
4. #8 Take the Time defeats Pull Me Under 22-3
5. #10 Home defeats Hell’s Kitchen 15-10
6. In the Presence of Enemies defeats Beyond This Life 14-11
7. Overture 1928 defeats Under a Glass Moon 13-12
8. Fatal Tragedy deeats Blind Faith 16-9
9. Bridges in the Sky & The Great Debate tie 13-13
10. #6 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Disappear 18-8
11. #11 Lines in the Sand defeats The Count of Tuscany 16-9
12. #13 Trial of Tears defeats The Mirror 14-11
13. #4 Metropolis defeats #14 The Glass Prison 18-8
14. #5 Learning to Live defeats #15 The Spirit Carries On 19-5
15. #7 Voices defeats Illumination Theory 14-11
16. #16 Finally Free defeats Space-Dye Vest 16-9
Division 1 Rankings after the regular season has concluded (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 1 Tournament. Red songs are demoted from Division 1 and sent to Division 2). All tiebreakers for songs with the same record have been applied.
* indicates a song has clinched a spot in the tournament.
x indicates that a song has been mathematically eliminated from advancing to the tournament.
Rank/Song Title/Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)
1. *Octavarium 20-0 (+299)
2. *Breaking All Illusions 19-1 (+253)
3. *A Change of Seasons 18-2 (+223)
4. *Metropolis 17-2-1 (+212)
5. *Learning to Live 17-3 (+219)
6. *Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 16-3-1 (+140)
7. *Voices 15-4-1 (+77)
8. *Take the Time 15-5 (+115)
9. *Scarred 12-5-3 (+51)
10. *Home 12-6-2 (+75)
11. *Lines in the Sand 12-6-2 (+11)
12. *Trial of Tears 11-7-2 (+28)
13. *In the Name of God 12-8 (+9)
14. *Finally Free 11-8-1 (+22)
15. *The Glass Prison 10-8-2 (-1)
16. *The Spirit Carries On 10-8-2 (-41)
17. X Illumination Theory 10-9-1 (-6)
18. X The Count of Tuscany 10-10 (-4)
19. X Space-Dye Vest 9-10-1 (-59)
20. X In the Presence of Enemies 7-13 (-70)
21. X The Mirror 6-13-1 (-54)
22. X Blind Faith 6-13-1 (-71)
23. X Under a Glass Moon 5-13-2 (-111)
24. X Fatal Tragedy 6-14 (-103)
25. X Stream of Consciousness 5-15 (-125)
26. X Bridges in the Sky 3-15-2 (-137)
27. X Disappear 3-17 (-121)
28. X Beyond This Life 3-17 (-140)
29. X The Great Debate 2-17-1 (-132)
30. X Pull Me Under 2-18 (-212)
31. X Overture 1928 2-18 (-175)
32. X Hell’s Kitchen 1-19 (-156)
Tiebreakers
#10 – Home & LITS did not meet during the season. Home claims the #10 seed based on a better point differential.
#12 – ToT & ItNoG did not meet during the season. ToT claims the #12 seed based on a better point differential.
#5 – TGP defeated TSCO 14-12 in Week 17.
#21 – TM & BF did not meet during the season. TM finished in 21st place based on a better point differential.
#23 – UaGM defeated FT 12-11 in Week 19.
#27 – Disappear & BTL did not meet during the season. Disappear finished in 27th place based on a better point differential.
#30 – PMU defeated O.1928 14-10 in Week 18.
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If you're still with us after 20 weeks, thank you!
The album tournaments will begin shortly. The album tournaments are exhibitions, and have no bearing on song's records or standings, as the Album Tournaments will feature songs from the 3 divisions, and the songs that weren't included in the league this year. The album tournaments will be ran in reverse order of the list below. I had to find a simple way to rank the albums, so I just ranked them by percentage of songs each had in Division 1 they are as follows:
1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence = 83%
2. Images & Words = 63%
3. Scenes from a Memory = 55%
4. Awake = 36%
5. Train of Thought = 29%
6. Falling Into Infinity = 27%
7. A Dramatic Turn of Events = 22%
8. Black Clouds & Silver Linings = 17%
9. Systematic Chaos = 14%
10. Octavarium = 13%
11. Dream Theater = 11%
12. When Dream & Day Unite = 0%,
We will do a tournament for the albums themselves. They will be seeded as shown above.
At some point, a survivor will begin to determine which four songs will be promoted to Division 3.
After the Album Tournaments have concluded, the Three Divisional Tournaments will begin, and we'll crown three champions for the 2015 season. Also, the songs that make it to the final four of the Division 2 and 3 tournaments will be promoted to the next highest division for next year.
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Thanks, Doc!
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:tup
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Awesome, let's get it on!
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IT mathematically eliminated. Excellent. Couldn't have happened to a better song. :p
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When Dream & Day Unite Album Tournament
Seeding:
1. Afterlife (Division 2)
2. The Killing Hand (Division 3)
3. Ytse Jam (Division 3)
4. A Fortune in Lies (Division 3)
5. Only a Matter of Time (Division 3)
6. Status Seeker (The Outsider’s Club)
7. Light Fuse and Get Away (The Outsider’s Club)
8. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (The Outsider’s Club)
Opening Round
1. Afterlife defeats 8. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun 20-7
4. A Fortune in Lies defeats 5. Only a Matter of Time 18-10
3. Ytse Jam defeats 6. Status Seeker 23-5
2. The Killing Hand defeats 7. Light Fuse and Get Away 23-4
Semifinals
1. Afterlife defeats. 4. A Fortune in Lies 16-15
2. The Killing Hand defeats 3. Ytse Jam 17-13
Championship Match
2. The Killing Hand defeats 1. Afterlife 17-11
The Killing Hand is the 2015 WDADU Album Champion!
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Dream Theater Tournament
Seeding
1. Illumination Theory (Division 1)
2. Surrender to Reason (Division 2)
3. The Bigger Picture (Division 2)
4. The Enemy Inside (Division 2)
5. Behind the Veil (Division 2)
6. The Looking Glass (Division 3)
7. Along For the Ride (Division 3)
8. False Awakening Suite (Division 3)
9. Enigma Machine (Division 3)
Opening Round (Songs 1-7 have byes)
9. Enigma Machine defeats 8. False Awakening Suite 17-11
Quarterfinals
1. Illumination Theory defeats 9. Enigma Machine 23-2
5. Behind the Veil defeats 4. The Enemy Inside 13-12
3. The Bigger Picture defeats 6. The Looking Glass 18-7
2. Surrender to Reason defeats 7. Along For the Ride 22-3
Semifinals
1. Illumination Theory defeats 5. Behind the Veil 23-5
3. The Bigger Picture defeats 2. Surrender to Reason 20-8
Championship Match
1. Illumination Theory defeats 3. The Bigger Picture 17-12
Illumination Theory is the 2015 Dream Theater Album Champion!
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Boooooooooooo... :tdwn
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Yeaaah! :tup
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Octavarium Album Tournament
Seeding
1. Octavarium (Division 1)
2. The Root of All Evil (Division 2)
3. These Walls (Division 2)
4. Sacrificed Sons (Division 2)
5. Panic Attack (Division 2)
6. I Walk Beside You (Division 3)
7. The Answer Lies Within (Division 3)
8. Never Enough (Division 3)
Opening Round
1. Octavarium defeats 8. Never Enough 28-2
4. Sacrificed Sons defeats 5. Panic Attack 19-11
3. These Walls defeats 6. I Walk Beside You 24-6
2. The Root of All Evil defeats 7. The Answer Lies Within 28-2
Semifinals
1. Octavarium defeats 4. Sacrificed Sons 24-5
2. The Root of All Evil defeats 3. These Walls 17-12
Championship Match
1. Octavarium defeats 2. The Root of All Evil 22-6
Octavarium is the 2015 Octavarium Album Champion!
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I am completely surprised by these results so far...
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Nothing surprising about 8VM. IT on the other hand, well...yeah.
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Systematic Chaos Tournament
Seeding
1. In the Presence of Enemies (Division 1)
2. The Ministry of Lost Souls (Division 2)
3. The Dark Eternal Night (Division 3)
4. Repentance (Division 3)
5. Forsaken (Division 3)
6. Constant Motion (Division 3)
7. Prophets of War(Outsider’s Club)
Opening Round (Song 1 has a bye)
4. Repentance defeats 5. Forsaken 17-11
6. Constant Motion defeats 3. The Dark Eternal Night 16-12
2. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats 7. Prophets of War 22-6
Semifinals
1. In the Presence of Enemies defeats 4. Repentance 25-4
2. The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats 6. Constant Motion 18-11
Championship Match
1. In the Presence of Enemies defeats 2. The Ministry of Lost Souls 21-5
In the Presence of Enemies is the 2015 Systematic Chaos Album Champion!
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I am completely surprised by these results so far...
Longest songs have all won their album tournament. No surprises there
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Exactly.. Mechanically.. :facepalm:
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When is the next album tournament starting?
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Black Clouds & Silver Linings Tournament
Seeding
1. The Count of Tuscany (Division 1)
2. A Nightmare to Remember (Division 2)
3. The Best of Times (Division 2)
4. The Shattered Fortress (Division 3)
5. Wither (Division 3)
6. A Rite of Passage (Division 3)
Opening Round (Songs 1 & 2 have byes)
4. The Shattered Fortress defeats 5. Wither 17-15
3. The Best of Times defeats 6. A Rite of Passage 24-7
Semifinals
1. The Count of Tuscany defeats 4. The Shattered Fortress 28-5
2. A Nightmare to Remember defeats 3. The Best of Times 25-8
Championship Match
1. The Count of Tuscany defeats 2. A Nightmare to Remember 30-3
The Count of Tuscany is the 2015 Black Clouds & Silver Linings Album Champion!
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Now, TCOT is definitely a worthy album champion. :tup
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A Dramatic Turn of Events Tournament
Seeding
1. Breaking All Illusions (Division 1)
2. Bridges in the Sky (Division 1)
3. Outcry (Division 2)
4. On the Backs of Angels (Division 2)
5. This is the Life (Division 2)
6. Lost Not Forgotten (Division 3)
7. Beneath the Surface (Division 3)
8. Far From Heaven (Division 3)
9. Build Me Up, Break Me Down (Outsider’s Club)
Opening Round (Songs 1-7 have byes)
8. Far From Heaven defeats 9. Build Me Up, Break Me Down 19-11
Quarterfinals
1. Breaking All Illusions defeats 8. Far From Heaven 29-1
4. On the Backs of Angels defeats 5. This is the Life 19-11
6. Lost Not Forgotten defeats 3. Outcry 16-15
2. Bridges in the Sky defeats 7. Beneath the Surface 22-7
Semifinals
1. Breaking All Illusions defeats 4. On the Backs of Angels 30-2
2. Bridges in the Sky defeats. 6. Lost Not Forgotten 22-10
Championship Match
1. Breaking All Illusions defeats 2. Bridges in the Sky 26-5
Breaking All Illusions is the 2015 ADToE Album Champion!
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Yeah, BAI definitely worthy of album champion status. :tup
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I think all are worthy champions.. Otherwise we'd be disregarding the voting ..
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Train of Thought Tournament
Seeding
1. In the Name of God (Division 1)
2. Stream of Consciousness (Division 1)
3. Endless Sacrifice(Division 2)
4. This Dying Soul (Division 2)
5. As I Am (Division 3)
6. Vacant (Division 3)
7. Honor Thy Father (Division 3)
Opening Round (Song 1 has a bye)
4. This Dying Soul defeats 5. As I Am 17-13
3. Endless Sacrifice defeats 6. Vacant 25-5
2. Stream of Consciousness defeats 7. Honor Thy Father 20-9
Semifinals
1. In the Name of God defeats 4. This Dying Soul 23-8
3. Endless Sacrifice defeats 2. Stream of Consciousness 17-13
Championship Match
1. In the Name of God defeats 3. Endless Sacrifice 21-11
In the Name of God is the 2015 Train of Thought Album Champion!
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Falling Into Infinity Tournament
Seeding
1. Lines in the Sand (Division 1)
2. Trial of Tears (Division 1)
3. Hell’s Kitchen (Division 1)
4. Peruvian Skies (Division 2)
5. Hollow Years (Division 3)
6. New Millennium (Division 3)
7. Anna Lee (Division 3)
8. Just Let Me Breathe (Division 3)
9. Take Away My Pain(Outsider’s Club)
10. Burning My Soul (Outsider’s Club)
11. You Not Me(Outsider’s Club)
Opening Round (Songs 1-5 have byes).
9. Take Away My Pain defeats 8. Just Let Me Breathe 20-11
6. New Millennium defeats 11. You Not Me 23-9
7. Anna Lee defeats 10. Burning My Soul 18-13
Quarterfinals
1. Lines in the Sand defeats 9. Take Away My Pain 25-6
4. Peruvian Skies defeats 5. Hollow Years 23-8
3. Hell’s Kitchen defeats 6. New Millennium 25-6
2. Trial of Tears defeats 7. Anna Lee 27-4
Semifinals
1. Lines in the Sand defeats 4. Peruvian Skies 24-10
2. Trial of Tears defeats 3. Hell’s Kitchen 22-12
Championship Match
2. Trial of Tears defeats 1. Lines in the Sand 18-14
Trial of Tears is the 2015 Falling Into Infinity Album Champion!
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Not saying that these songs aren't worthy of winning, but that's 8 out of 8 longest songs winning the album tournaments now. Although things could get interesting now we're getting to the top albums.
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Not saying that these songs aren't worthy of winning, but that's 8 out of 8 longest songs winning the album tournaments now. Although things could get interesting now we're getting to the top albums.
I think Finally Free wins the SFaM tournament so the longest song wouldn't win there. Learning to Live and Metropolis are gonna be close in the IaW tournament but I'm thinking Metropolis ends up taking it so the longest song won't win there either. Scarred might take the Awake tournament but it could go to Voices and possibly Space-Dye Vest. I'm thinking Six Degrees gets the win in it's album tournament and I don't think any other song has a chance either. So that's at least 9 out of 12 with a chance of the longest songs going 12 for 12 (Learning to Live, Scarred, and Home all have a chance to win their album tournament). It probably won't happen, but it would be interesting if it did. It kind of goes back to the "saved by the epic" thread on the DT side of the forums. Because even if the longest song doesn't win the IaW, Awake, and SFaM tournaments, it will still most likely be the second longest song anyway.
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I don't think Learning to Live will lose to Metropolis (I will be voting Metropolis though!). But I totally agree about Finally Free.
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Sorry for the delay!
Awake Album Tournament
Seeding:
1. Voices (Division 1)
2. Scarred (Division 1)
3. Space-Dye Vest (Division 1)
4. The Mirror (Division 1)
5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream (Division 2)
6. Erotomania (Division 2)
7. 6:00 (Division 2)
8. Caught in a Web (Division 2)
9. Lie (Division 2)
10. Innocence Faded (Division 2)
11. The Silent Man (Division 2)
Opening Round (Songs 1-5 have byes)
8. Caught in a Web defeats 9. Lie 17-16
6. Erotomania defeats 11. The Silent Man 27-7
7. 6:00 defeats 10. Innocence Faded 22-12
Quarterfinals
1. Voices defeats 8. Caught in a Web 30-8
4. The Mirror defeats 5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 24-13
3. Space-Dye Vest defeats 6. Erotomania 26-11
2. Scarred defeats 7. 6:00 31-6
Semifinals
1. Voices defeats 4. The Mirror 22-9
2. Scarred defeats 3. Space-Dye Vest 21-10
Championship Match
2. Scarred defeats 1. Voices 19-15
Scarred is the 2015 Awake Album Champion!
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Wow, Scarred gets revenge on Voices from last year. Pretty cool.
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With that my prediction changes to the longest songs being 10-2.
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I'll say 12-0 for longest songs winning now. Learning to Live might be a close one, but Six Degrees should win its album easily.
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I'll say 12-0 for longest songs winning now. Learning to Live might be a close one, but Six Degrees should win its album easily.
Yeah but Home won't beat Finally Free.
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I'll say 12-0 for longest songs winning now. Learning to Live might be a close one, but Six Degrees should win its album easily.
Not necessarily.
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My predictions:
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (personal favorite: TGP)
Images & Words: Learning to Live (personal favorite: Metropolis pt 1)
Scenes from a Memory: Finally Free (personal favorite: TDoE)
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I'll join the crowd with a prediction of my own:
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: Title track (personal favorite being The Glass Prison)
Images and Words: Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper (personal favorite being a tie between LTL, TTT and Metropolis)
Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory: Finally Free (personal favorite being Home)
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Scenes from a Memory Tournament Results
Seeding:
1. Home (Division 1)
2. Finally Free (Division 1)
3. The Spirit Carries On (Division 1)
4. Fatal Tragedy (Division 1)
5. Beyond This Life (Division 1)
6. Overture 1928 (Division 1)
7. Strange Déjà vu (Division 2)
8. The Dance of Eternity (Division 2)
9. One Last Time (Division 2)
10. Through Her Eyes (Division 2)
11. Regression (Outsider’s Club)
12. Through My Words (Outsider’s Club)
Opening Round (Songs 1-4 have byes)
8. The Dance of Eternity defeats 9. One Last Time 20-14
5. Beyond This Life defeats 12. Through My Words 31-3
6. Overture 1928 defeats 11. Regression 34-0
7. Strange Déjà vu defeats 10. Through Her Eyes 25-9
Quarterfinals
1. Home defeats 8. The Dance of Eternity 29-9
4. Fatal Tragedy defeats 5. Beyond This Life 23-15
3. The Spirit Carries On defeats 6. Overture 1928 26-12
2. Finally Free defeats 7. Strange Déjà vu 29-9
Semifinals
1. Home defeats 4. Fatal Tragedy 19-11
2. Finally Free defeats 3. The Spirit Carries On 16-13
Championship Match
1. Home defeats 2. Finally Free 17-16
Home is the 2015 SFAM Album Champion!
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Who won last year ?
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Wow! Home pulled off the win at the last second. The longest songs are 10-0 now.
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Who won last year ?
Home has won each and every year that I can remember.
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I'm glad Home won. Finally Free's a good song, but imo Home is quite superior.
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Images & Words Album Tournament Results
Seeding
1. Metropolis (Division 1)
2. Learning to Live (Division 1)
3. Take the Time (Division 1)
4. Under a Glass Moon (Division 1)
5. Pull Me Under (Division 1)
6. Surrounded (Division 2)
7. Wait For Sleep (Division 2)
8. Another Day (Division 2)
Opening Round
1. Metropolis defeats 8. Another Day 31-6
4. Under a Glass Moon defeats 5. Pull Me Under 24-13
3. Take the Time defeats 6. Surrounded 22-15
2. Learning to Live defeats 7. Wait For Sleep 31-6
Semifinals
1. Metropolis defeats 4. Under a Glass Moon 30-6
2. Learning to Live defeats 3. Take the Time 26-10
Championship Match
2. Learning to Live defeats 1. Metropolis 20-14
Learning to Live is the 2015 Images & Words Album Champion!
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Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence Album Tournament Results
Seeding
1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Division 1)
2. The Glass Prison (Division 1)
3. Blind Faith (Division 1)
4. Disappear (Division 1)
5. The Great Debate (Division 1)
6. Misunderstood(Division 2)
Opening Round (Songs 1-2 have byes)
4. Disappear defeats 5. The Great Debate 19-13
3. Blind Faith defeats 6. Misunderstood 16-15
Semifinals
1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats 4. Disappear 25-14
2. The Glass Prison defeats 3. Blind Faith 20-18
Championship Match
2. The Glass Prison defeats 1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 18-17
The Glass Prison is the 2015 SDoIT Album Champion!
The Division Tournaments begin tomorrow. The end is near.
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Yes!.. :metal
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NO!!!! The only surprising result from the album tournaments. Over the past two years the longest songs are now 23-1.
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Nice one DoC!
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AAH! SO close to being 12-0 for longest songs! (And yes, towards the end I actually wanted that to happen.)
Thanks for running the album tournaments. Very fascinating. Bring on the Division Tournaments!
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TGP won on a technicality. SDOIT is still best song on the album. :p
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Two people on the SDOIT Championship thread said they missed the vote, but would've voted for the title track, so there's that as well.
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Well, in that case, Home won on technicality too, so it's still 11-1 for the longest songs.
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Two people on the SDOIT Championship thread said they missed the vote, but would've voted for the title track, so there's that as well.
Yeah, that's exactly what I meant.
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TGP won on a technicality. SDOIT is still best song on the album. :p
Is the best song on the album, based on the opinions of 36 people.
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Also, some people, including me, may have voted on a song without considering it the best song on the album, because it had already been eliminated.
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I like how I'm being deputized into the pro SDOIT song argument when I said in my post that SDOIT is my least favorite DT album by a mile.
Not saying I'm not enjoying it :P Just be careful what you wish for when trying to give credence to my opinion on this album! :lol
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2015 Album Tournament
Seeding (Based on percentage of songs in Division 1)
1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
2. Images & Words
3. Scenes from a Memory
4. Awake
5. Train of Thought
6. Falling Into Infinity
7. A Dramatic Turn of Events
8. Black Clouds & Silver Linings
9. Systematic Chaos
10. Octavarium
11. Dream Theater
12. When Dream & Day Unite
Opening Round (Albums 1-4 have byes)
9. Systematic Chaos defeats 8. Black Clouds & Silver Linings
5. Train of Thought defeats 12. When Dream & Day Unite 27-5
11. Dream Theater defeats 6. Falling Into Infinity 20-13
7. A Dramatic Turn of Events defeats 10. Octavarium 19-14
Quarterfinals
1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats 9. Systematic Chaos 29-3
4. Awake defeats 5. Train of Thought 22-10
3. Scenes From a Memory defeats 11. Dream Theater 28-4
2. Images & Words defeats 7. A Dramatic Turn of Events 25-7
Semifinals
1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats 4. Awake 20-15
2. Images & Words defeats 3. Scenes From a Memory 20-15
Championship Match
2. Images & Words defeats 1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 21-15
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Good job DoC. I&W :hefdaddy :tup
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As a result of the Division 2 & 3 Quarterfinal matches, the Division Promotions have been decided, provide that we continue with this format in 2016:
As I Am, Lost Not Forgotten, The Shattered Fortress & Hollow Years would be promoted to Division 2.
Surrounded, Misunderstood, Endless Sacrifice & Lifting Shadows off a Dream would be promoted to Division 1.
Also, Octavarium, Breaking All Illusions, A Change of Seasons & Learning to Live have made the Final Four of the Division 1 tournament. These are the exact same four songs that made it to the final four of the 2014 Championship Tournament.
Tournament Semifinals begin tomorrow.
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Good job DoC. I&W :hefdaddy :tup
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Good job DoC. I&W :hefdaddy :tup
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+1 here :)
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Maybe looking too far into the future, but I wonder what the chances are of one or more of the newly-promoted songs reaching the Championship Tournament of their new divisions next year, ie. placing in the Top 16. It'd be pretty cool if they did. It'd be even more bizarre if a song achieved successive promotions (from 3 to 2 this year, then 2 to 1 next year).
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Division 3 Championship Tournament
Seeding:
1. As I Am
2. Vacant
3. Honor Thy Father
4. Lost Not Forgotten
5. The Killing Hand
6. The Shattered Fortress
7. Hollow Years
8. The Looking Glass
9. Beneath the Surface
10. Wither
11. New Millennium
12. Ytse Jam
13. Raise the Knife
14. The Silent Man
15. A Fortune in Lies
16. Along For the Ride
Opening Round
1. As I Am defeats 16. Along For the Ride 29-5
9. Beneath the Surface defeats 8. The Looking Glass 19-15
5. The Killing Hand defeats 12. Ytse Jam 20-14
4. Lost Not Forgotten defeats 13. Raise the Knife 21-13
14. The Silent Man defeats 3. Honor Thy Father 20-14
6. The Shattered Fortress defeats 11. New Millennium 25-9
7. Hollow Years defeats 10. Wither 20-14
2. Vacant defeats 15. A Fortune in Lies 21-13
Quarterfinals
1. As I Am defeats 9. Beneath the Surface 21-14
4. Lost Not Forgotten defeats 5. The Killing Hand 21-14
6. The Shattered Fortress defeats 14. The Silent Man 20-15
7. Hollow Years defeats 2. Vacant 19-16
Semifinals
1. As I Am defeats 4. Lost Not Forgotten 21-14
6. The Shattered Fortress defeats 7. Hollow Years 18-17
3rd Place Match
4. Lost Not Forgotten defeats 7. Hollow Years 19-15
Championship Match
1. As I Am defeats 6. The Shattered Fortress 20-14
As I Am is the 2015 Division 3 Champion!
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Division 2 Championship Tournament
Seeding:
1. Surrounded
2. Misunderstood
3. Endless Sacrifice
4. Strange Déjà vu
5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream
6. The Root of All Evil
7. The Ministry of Lost Souls
8. These Walls
9. Wait For Sleep
10. Another Day
11. Erotomania
12. 6:00
13. This Dying Soul
14. Surrender to Reason
15. Sacrificed Sons
16. The Dance of Eternity
Opening Round
1. Surrounded defeats 16. The Dance of Eternity 25-12
9. Wait For Sleep defeats 8. These Walls 19-18
5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats 12. 6:00 21-16
4. Strange Déjà vu defeats 13. This Dying Soul 26-11
3. Endless Sacrifice defeats 14. Surrender to Reason 24-13
6. The Root of All Evil defeats 11. Erotomania 21-16
10. Another Day defeats 7. The Ministry of Lost Souls 19-18
2. Misunderstood defeats 15. Sacrificed Sons 23-13
Quarterfinals
1. Surrounded defeats 9. Wait For Sleep 21-10
5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream defeats 4. Strange Déjà vu 16-15
3. Endless Sacrifice defeats 6. The Root of All Evil 18-13
2. Misunderstood defeats 10. Another Day 17-14
Semifinals
1. Surrounded defeats 5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 26-8
2. Misunderstood defeats 3. Endless Sacrifice 19-15
3rd Place Match
3. Endless Sacrifice defeats 5. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 19-13
Championship Match
1. Surrounded defeats 2. Misunderstood 19-14
Surrounded is the 2015 Division 2 Champion!
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Division 1 Championship Tournament
Seeding:
1. Octavarium
2. Breaking All Illusions
3. A Change of Seasons
4. Metropolis
5. Learning to Live
6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
7. Voices
8. Take the Time
9. Scarred
10. Home
11. Lines in the Sand
12. Trial of Tears
13. In the Name of God
14. Finally Free
15. The Glass Prison
16. The Spirit Carries On
Opening Round
1. Octavarium defeats 16. The Spirit Carries On 25-5
9. Scarred defeats 8. Take the Time 18-13
5. Learning to Live defeats 12. Trial of Tears 22-9
4. Metropolis defeats 13. In the Name of God 24-7
3. A Change of Seasons defeats 14. Finally Free 23-7
6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats 11. Lines in the Sand 18-12
7. Voices defeats 10. Home 16-15
2. Breaking All Illusions defeats 15. The Glass Prison 23-8
Quarterfinals
1. Octavarium defeats 9. Scarred 25-10
5. Learning to Live defeats 4. Metropolis 19-16
3. A Change of Seasons defeats 6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 20-15
2. Breaking All Illusions defeats 7. Voices 27-8
Semifinals
1. Octavarium defeats 5. Learning to Live 21-14
2. Breaking All Illusions defeats 3. A Change of Seasons 19-16
3rd Place Match
3. A Change of Seasons defeats 5. Learning to Live 20-19
Championship Match
1. Octavarium defeats 2. Breaking All Illusions 23-16
Octavarium wins the 2015 Division 1 Tournament!
Octavarium has won our league for the second year in a row. On top of that, it went undefeated each of the last two years.
To everyone who participated in any of the over 1000 matches that we had over the past 8 months, thank you! This was a lot of fun. We'll reconvene in late November to decide on if we'd like to have a 2016 season, and if so, what format it should be, and what to do with potential new music.
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Good work DoC :tup
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DoC thx for the organization !!! :smiley: :hefdaddy
Can't wait for another year :) :metal
My ranking :
1. LtL
2. ACoS
3. 8V
4.BaI
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Personally, i would put The Glass Prison in the top 10 instead of Breaking All Illusions.
Also, i would like to see Fatal Tragedy, Beyond This Life and Blind Faith a bit higher but, at least, they're in Division 1 already.
Nonetheless, strong top 16 if you ask me. :tup
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This is a ton of work DoC... good on ya. :tup
And I can live with these results.
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If anyone interested here's our top 16 from Metropolis forum, Round 1/16 now :>
16. In the Name of God
15. A Change of Seasons
Still in the Game :P :
- Another Day
- Take the Time
- Surrounded
- Learning to Live
- 6.00
- Eve
- Peruvian Skies
- Trial of Tears (Will be in 1/8 defeat ACoS)
- Home
- Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Will be in 1/8 defeat ItNoG)
- Octavarium
- The Count of Tuscany
- The Looking Glass
- Illumination Theory
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Octavarium deserves to be undefeated two years in a row. It's the textbook definition of masterpiece.
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Is there any way for these polls to be more popular?.. It's a shame that such an effort done by DoC doesn't get more than 30 voters on average.. :-\
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Octavarium, a more than worthy Champion! An incredible song; my favourite album closer by any band. Congrats also to As I Am and Surrounded for winning their divisions as well.
Bravo and thanks DoC! This is quite an undertaking, what with the setting up matches and working out averages and all. I for one hope that we get to do it again next year. The League (and before it the Survivor) is a great annual DTF tradition.
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Thanks for all the effort DoC! Great fun voting in these as always :D
Octavarium is a worthy winner - magnificent song and my #3 by DT. The other 3 semi finalists are in my top 10 too, so it was a great lineup :coolio
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Thanks for this fun tournament, Doc! It was my first rime to participate and I love it!
I hope Breaking All Illusions would have another great run next time. And I also wish the DT12 songs would do better. :)
Some things to ponder for the next tournament, I guess:
Is there some way to get this linked in the main forum? Polls there get much much more votes.
How will the release date of the next album affect the tournament sched?
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Thanks for all the props folks.
Some things to ponder for the next tournament, I guess:
Is there some way to get this linked in the main forum? Polls there get much much more votes.
How will the release date of the next album affect the tournament sched?
I'm not sure if a Moderator can put a link to the league on the main forum. Would be worth looking into. I wouldn't want to spam the heck out of the DT forum with links, or the polls itself. This game, and the survivor before it has been a thing here since 2005, so I'm thinking that most of the old-heads know what the deal is. The challenge would be to get the word out to the newer users without spamming the other forums.
But I will say, I don't actually mind the number of voters that we have. The other Survivor runners would kill to have 30 plus voters in their games.
As for next year, I think keeping it from December-July is the way to go. I don't think that the new songs should be included, as it would be nice to give us a few months to digest them. Perhaps we could do a DT-13 Tournament when we do the other album tournaments, and the results of that tournament could determine which divisions the DT-13 songs would join for the 2017 season. We'll see. Plenty of time, and plenty of ways to have fun with this.
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Good work DoC :tup
Also, I love how DT12 placed in the album tournament exactly where it is in my ranking. Same goes for SDOIT. :biggrin:
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Thanks for all the props folks.
Some things to ponder for the next tournament, I guess:
Is there some way to get this linked in the main forum? Polls there get much much more votes.
How will the release date of the next album affect the tournament sched?
As for next year, I think keeping it from December-July is the way to go. I don't think that the new songs should be included, as it would be nice to give us a few months to digest them. Perhaps we could do a DT-13 Tournament when we do the other album tournaments, and the results of that tournament could determine which divisions the DT-13 songs would join for the 2017 season. We'll see. Plenty of time, and plenty of ways to have fun with this.
I don't think it would be fair to just put the best songs from the new album into division one or the worst songs into division three. Maybe if you do a mini league where you put all of the songs from the new album against two songs from each division as well to see how they do against already established songs as well as against each other.