Well, if the album is as good as Caravan and BU2B, then... :metal
Well, if the album is as good as Caravan and BU2B, then... :metal
I was reminded today of how lame the online Rush forums are. I occasionally lurk at and post at both CP and TRF, but only because I cannot stomach too much of the online fan base for more than eight seconds. Between some fan girl on the CP forum acting like it is her divine right to push her way into the front row at every Rush concert and the peeps at TRF acting like dopes about it, the headache I almost got from reading the threads on both forums about it was like a reminder saying, "Online Rush forums = The SUCK."
I was already really looking forward to Clockwork Angels. Now even more so.
I'm finding Rush really comforting right now. Over 35 years with the current lineup, and still going strong.
I love Counterparts but I prefer Test For Echo.I really like Test For Echo musically, but lyrically, it's embarrassingly bad at times. Luckily, their lyrics since then have been fine.
With Mike Portnoy's departure from Dream Theater, a band that has always seemed pretty solid, yet has had four member leave or get fired in 21 years (since the release of the debut), it really makes you realize how special a band like Rush is. Since Neil Peart joined in the summer of '74, it has been the same three guys. 36 years with no breakups, no member changers, only one hiatus (for obvious reasons), etc. It really is amazing when you think about it. It is very hard for a marriage to last 36 years, much less a rock band, but they have somehow managed to do it. :tup :tup
With Mike Portnoy's departure from Dream Theater, a band that has always seemed pretty solid, yet has had four member leave or get fired in 21 years (since the release of the debut), it really makes you realize how special a band like Rush is. Since Neil Peart joined in the summer of '74, it has been the same three guys. 36 years with no breakups, no member changers, only one hiatus (for obvious reasons), etc. It really is amazing when you think about it. It is very hard for a marriage to last 36 years, much less a rock band, but they have somehow managed to do it. :tup :tup
The day Rush is gone is the day I kill myself
You realize just due to age Rush is going to be gone while you're relatively young no matter what?Shut up
Don't jinx it Kev!
With that said
RUSH TUESDAY YES YES YESSSS!
Except I don't know how I'm getting to Boston. :lol
They can retire after they start to suck. I think hell freezing over will come first though.
Red Sector A is a song that just does not get enough love at all.
Let's see if I can do a top ten...
1. Marathon
Red Sector A is a song that just does not get enough love at all.
What are you talking about? It regularly is considered in the top 2 from that album despite being 4th at best.
Let's see if I can do a top ten...
1. Marathon
LOVE that chorus.
The Enemy Within, Between the Wheels and Distant Early Warning are all easily superior. And on most days I'd probably put Afterimage and The Body Electric ahead of it as well.
Technically, "Pressure Over Grace" would imply "Grace Under Pressure" -- but yeah, "P/G" sucks.
And remember, Rush fans in general are a nerdy bunch. I'm sure a nerd came up with "P/G".
You mean except for Kid Gloves and Red Lenses which are the two worst songs of the synth era.
1/2 work day, Rush tonight, tomorrow off!!!!!! :metalHave a great time tonight, King!
1/2 work day, Rush tonight, tomorrow off!!!!!! :metalHave a great time tonight, King!
I'm actually going to see The Alarm in a small venue in Connecticut tonight.
1/2 work day, Rush tonight, tomorrow off!!!!!! :metal
1/2 work day, Rush tonight, tomorrow off!!!!!! :metal
Same, except I am absolutely LOATHING having to drive in to Boston.
I can't wait to see them again next year. I want to see them play Marathon again. :caffeine:
I can't wait to see them again next year. I want to see how their setlist is gonna change :caffeine:
I can't wait to see them again next year. I want to see how their setlist is gonna change :caffeine:
Just know that if Alex says anything about it beforehand, do not believe him. :lol :lol :lol
I can't wait to see them again next year. I want to see them play Marathon again. :caffeine:
What, they didn't play Jacob's Ladder at your show? That was one of the highlights of the shows I saw!Oh yeah...well, I got to hear them play Presto! so there!!!!
I saw something I've never seen at a Rush show before. Durring Far Cry, Alex's sound went out and they played the rest of the song without him. When they came back on for the La Villa encore, he still had no sound. Alex being the funny guy tried to play along while they were fixing the problem but it took at least 4 or 5 minutes to get it fixed and it affected him durring the 2 encore song.
HE WAS PISSED, and kept staring at his tech man and yelling and pointing fingers throughout the encore. Very bizzare.
Otherwise that band was great and Alex killed all his solo's!! I hope them going back into the studio after this tour translates well on the new CD.
Here is Alex's rant on why his guitar cut out. Damn funny. watch him durring this song loose his mind on his tech at the side of the stage.
https://www.youtube.com/mickav8r#p/a/u/0/5_mbYzM8axo
I thought it was awesome.Don't get my wrong PLM. It was very good, just not as bombastic as other solos.
I may have been the only one though
BTW, best line of the night. Alex, after his guitar came back on but was still a little twangy,
"'What the hell is this? What am I in Primus"? Just too funny.
In less than 12 hours, I will be waking up to head to D.C. to see Rush!!!!!
Ah ok. Well now I feel like even more of a loser for not knowing if it's apparently common knowledge. :facepalm:
Ah ok. Well now I feel like even more of a loser for not knowing if it's apparently common knowledge. :facepalm:
Wait, ScioPath, you'll be at the Atlanta show? Dude! Did you get lawn seats too?Yea.
:eyebrows:Wait, ScioPath, you'll be at the Atlanta show? Dude! Did you get lawn seats too?Yea.
Maybe we could connect somehow.
:|:eyebrows:Wait, ScioPath, you'll be at the Atlanta show? Dude! Did you get lawn seats too?Yea.
Maybe we could connect somehow.
Well, if the album is as good as Caravan and BU2B, then... :metal
Reminder, if you are going to say anything about the setlist do it in the tour thread.
Last time I saw Rush was in MD. The Capital Center in Landover, where the Washington Capitals play. I think it's been renamed for some corporation (since all sports venues are nowadays) but I don't remember what. It'll always be the Cap Center to me.
Counterparts tour. Awesome, of course.
I didn't notice the cold, he did great like I expected and blew me away with his bass playing. I admit, I laughed my ass off during the high pitched verses in Freewill.
Yeah, Everyday Glory is a great song that gets overlooked a lot.
Anyways, HOLY SHIT I GET TO SEE RUSH TOMORROW :caffeine: :caffeine: ::caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :yarr :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :yarr
So in that CNN interview now up at rushisaband.com, when Geddy's name pops up on the screen it said, Geddy Lee, singer, base player. Oh CNN you silly news station. Base. :lol
(CNN) -- In an otherworldly landscape, with controllers in hand, players must conquer the Beast in order to release a powerful demigod.
No, this isn't "World of Warcraft." It's "Guitar Hero."
And with a playlist steeped in monster riffs and a quest mode that winds through scenes populated with the dungeons and dragons of fantasy lore, it might just expose heavy metal's darkest secret.
"The ultimate trick that musicians played on the world is that they were cool," said Brendon Small, whose band Dethklok (from his Adult Swim cartoon "Metalocalypse") lent the song "Bloodlines" to "Guitar Hero: Warriors of Rock."
"They're not cool. They're all nerds. They all love Monty Python, 'Star Wars' and Rush. Everybody from Cannibal Corpse to Metallica, they are all nerds. We are all nerds."
The game, released September 28 and available on PS3, Wii and XBox360, likes Rush, too.
It includes all seven parts of the Canadian progressive rock band's "2112" suite and even weaves the legendary rockers into the fabric of the game.
The members of Rush worked on the "2112" game sequence, helping create in-game venues based on scenes from the liner notes of their original album.
The band gave suggestions for imagery and recorded voice-overs for the scenes, said Brian Bright, "Warriors of Rock" project leader for game creator Neversoft. He said the story of "2112" parallels the story in the game.
"The songs tell the story of a man who discovers a guitar, something he has never been exposed to, as the world he lives in is very Orwellian and controlling," Bright said. "In the game, the player is in search of the Demi-God's legendary guitar as it is the source of his power."
"Metalocalypse" creator Brendon Small writes and records music for the show and tours as a guitarist for Dethklok.
Small acknowledges that including 21 minutes worth of Rush on a game known for mainstream appeal is a nod toward rock's inner nerd.
"Absolutely!" he said. "Without a doubt, yeah! Oh man, but they picked the right Rush. That's certainly my favorite, and it's got amazing guitar moments, too."
It also has what Small calls the nerdiest thing of all in music: odd time signatures, which could mean difficult play in Warriors of Rock.
"When people start counting odd times like 7/4 instead of 4/4, [they're trying to] be different and make a new groove, and that is a nerdy, nerdy thing. But Rush gets away with it because they're good," said Small.
Neversoft worked closely with other artists to create the ultimate metal quest mode. Megadeth's Dave Mustaine -- whom Small considers one of the world's best rhythm guitarists -- wrote and recorded "Sudden Death" for the finale of the game.
"The game ends with an epic battle between the Demi-God of Rock and the Beast raging on an apocalyptic landscape, so we wanted a track that would completely shred," Bright said.
Additionally, Gene Simmons, the "demon" bassist of iconic rock band KISS, is the narrator of the game's quest mode and makes a cameo as the Demi-God of Rock.
Other musicians who metalheads and rock guitar enthusiasts are sure to geek out to include Steve Vai, Slayer, Metallica, Ozzy Osbourne and Anthrax.
Bright said "Warriors of Rock" songs were selected chiefly on their playability.
"A good song for 'Guitar Hero' would have a memorable riff but not feel repetitive. There would be a good amount of chord changes and, ideally, a fun guitar solo to add to the challenge," he said.
But being a good guitar player doesn't necessarily make you a good "Guitar Hero" player.
Mike Keneally, Small's bandmate in the live, touring version of Dethklok, said he thought Dethklok songs were easier to play on an actual guitar. "Bloodlines" is Dethklok's third song on a "Guitar Hero" game.
Small had to disagree with his friend.
"I said, 'Nah, that's not true. There's 11-year-olds out there who can just shred through [Dethklok songs] "Thunderhorse" and "Laser-cannon Death Sentence." ' "
Those 11-year olds who play "Warriors of Rock" are about to discover some of the music that helped build Small's career as a musician and cartoon producer. Small's current cartoon project, "Metalocalypse," follows a fictional metal band, Dethklok, who have become so popular that they influence world economies.
"One of my favorite things about 'Guitar Hero' is you're turning a whole generation on to music that wouldn't, I think, have discovered it any other way," Small said.
"Because in order to know about metal, you've either got to have a cool older sibling or a dude down the street who just knows what's up. Some people don't have either of those things. Some people have a really uncool older sibling who listens to Brittney Spears or some kind of dance or club or trance, and they're never going to learn about cool guitar stuff or Van Halen or any of that stuff.
"But now that they have 'Guitar Hero' in their life, they can learn about Skynyrd. Foghat. Sabbath. Soundgarden."
A sad omission on "Guitar Hero's" part from its sixth offering, said Small, was that of lightening-fast guitarist Yngwie Malmsteen. Malmsteen, a Swedish guitarist, is known for his classical approach to metal music, as well as his fantasy-laden album covers and music videos.
"Yngwie, of course is the king. I love him. That should be on 'Guitar Hero,' because it would just be unplayable," Small said.
"He did [a video] with a wizard, a dragon and him in really high-waisted spandex pants and Sgt. Pepper's jacket flipping his Stratocaster around. Pretty awesome -- what rock 'n' roll is built for."
So in that CNN interview now up at rushisaband.com, when Geddy's name pops up on the screen it said, Geddy Lee, singer, base player. Oh CNN you silly news station. Base. :lol
I remember when CNN was good. Seriously. I was flipping through channels the other day, and there was CNN in all its HD glory on my TV, and it was fucking infotainment bullshit. Silly moving graphics all over the screen and hot babe newsreader to distract you from the lack of quality content, sensationalist headlines, opinion and speculation presented as facts... it was genuinely heartbreaking. I remember when CNN was the shit; now it's just shit.
Interviewer had some balls to bring up the tragedy.
Interviewer had some balls to bring up the tragedy.
Did he interview all of Rush or just Alex and Geddy? I remember reading an old classic rock article where the writer said he had to sign a waiver saying he wouldn't ask Neil about the tragedy or Alex about his drunken run-in with the law.
Interviewer had some balls to bring up the tragedy.
Did he interview all of Rush or just Alex and Geddy? I remember reading an old classic rock article where the writer said he had to sign a waiver saying he wouldn't ask Neil about the tragedy or Alex about his drunken run-in with the law.
Just chiming in to say I'm currently in love with the chorus to Marathon.
Carry on.
Awesome! My list would include AFTK and La Villa though.I was thinking the same thing, but I think I read somewhere they tried to bring out AFTK for the S&A tour, but they felt it didn't sound very good tuned down a half or whole step for Geddy. DEN, that setlist is pretty awesome, but for realism's sake, Anthem should be taken out. Replace Anthem and Caravan with La Villa somewhere and its golden.
Holy cow, you managed to pick one of the few songs that might actually be worse than Show Don't Tell.Wow, how can someone fit so much being wrong in one post? Those are all great songs, and Vapor Trails has some solid moments.
For the record, here is the list of Rush songs that should never have been made-
Kid Gloves
Red Lenses
Show Don't Tell
Superconductor
Stick it Out
And while Vapor Trails may not have any single songs that are worse than those listed there are so many things about it that needed to be re-worked or never happen.
"Dog Years."With different lyrics, Dog Years (and Virtuality for that matter) would be a good song. But yeah, as is, it's one of the few songs where the lyrics are actually bad enough to significantly lower my opinion of it.
Well, it is Nick :lolHoly cow, you managed to pick one of the few songs that might actually be worse than Show Don't Tell.Wow, how can someone fit so much being wrong in one post? Those are all great songs, and Vapor Trails has some solid moments.
For the record, here is the list of Rush songs that should never have been made-
Kid Gloves
Red Lenses
Show Don't Tell
Superconductor
Stick it Out
And while Vapor Trails may not have any single songs that are worse than those listed there are so many things about it that needed to be re-worked or never happen.
Kid Gloves and Show Don't Tell are good songs. Stick it Out is okay, but its nowhere near the horror that is "Red Lenses," "Tai Shan," or "Dog Years."
Geddy recently said in an interview that Clockwork Angels likely won't be out until late 2011 instead of Spring of '11 >:( :censored
The masterpieces usually took 2-3 years :P
The ONLY song by Rush I always skip is Rivendell. Sorry, I just can't get into it. Every year I play through their WHOLE discography and yes that includes Crazy Dancer and a few other "first" songs.
AFTK has more filler than S&A, I feel. Apart from Xanadu and Cygnus, nothing really wowed me
AFTK (album) Is a fucking masterpiece. Seriously; I could listen to that album on a loop perpetually for a week and be happy.
Will... I am going to destroy you if you continue to belittle the greatest progressive rock record of all time.
Awesome! My list would include AFTK and La Villa though.I was thinking the same thing, but I think I read somewhere they tried to bring out AFTK for the S&A tour, but they felt it didn't sound very good tuned down a half or whole step for Geddy. DEN, that setlist is pretty awesome, but for realism's sake, Anthem should be taken out.
Okay, so I've been listening to Rush now almost constantly for about two weeks (I'm a new fan, better late than never).
So far I've come to these conclusions:
- I'm focusing on their 80s stuff first, I think it's an "easier" way in to their material. Then I can ease my way into their 70s prog stuff. Right/wrong?
- After hearing so much praise over Moving Pictures I can only agree; it's a hell of an album, and my favourite so far. Only Witch Hunt and Vital Signs are yet to click for me.
- Signals, Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows gets a lot of spins too. Not so much their later albums yet, aside from Counterparts.
- I thought I would have a hard time with their 80s synth sound (I'm pretty allergic to that sound in general), but I've gotten kind of used to it by now.
- Songs that I've listened to the most so far are: Marathon, The Camera Eye, Limelight, Red Barchetta, Afterimage, Leave That Thing Alone, and recently Xanadu.
- I've watched 'Exit... Stage Left', 'A Show Of Hands', 'Snakes & Arrows Live', and 'Beyond The Lighted Stage', they are truly a great live band. And funny guys ;D
Now to continue on my journey :P
AFTK has more filler than S&A, I feel. Apart from Xanadu and Cygnus, nothing really wowed meIt you lived it when it happened you might feel different. I don't dislike Snakes. Maybe calling half the album filler was a little harsh. Its just got a few forgettable tracks for me personally.
I listened through Signals today and I have to say that Chemistry is growing more on me. An overlooked track for sure
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold up.
Alex has a solo album?
I only have My Favorite Headache. Its all right. Nothing that stands out about it, but nothing that makes me vomit either.I love Geds solo effort, and I love the fact it doesn't resemble a Rush album at all. That's what makes it extra cool for me, and I love the songs.
Zydar, that is great to hear! Hope your journey continues to go well. :hat
I have to say that when Snakes came out it reminded me more of My Favorite Headache than any Rush album, and it still does.Never thought about it until you mentioned it, but I can definitely hear it now.
Zydar, that is great to hear! Hope your journey continues to go well. :hat
I must say thanks to you for your Top 50 list you compiled a while ago, it has given me some info about quite a few songs. Although it was mostly personal opinions about them and not facts, they have nonetheless been a guide of some sorts. It's exactly what I want from these kinds of lists, especially if you're new to a band.
It has helped me on my way :tup
I like Geddy's better but Alex gets a big thumbs up for trying something very different than the classic Rush sound.
I enjoy both and prefer Geds. I have to say that when Snakes came out it reminded me more of My Favorite Headache than any Rush album, and it still does.Faithless definitely has the sound of MFH.
TSN has been using "Caravan" to promote the new NHL season :metal
I tried to listen to Exit... Stage Left again yesterday, and couldn't do it. Oh, the setlist is fine, the performances are fine; it's the sound. Something weird about the mix or production or something. It sounds all flat on top, but turning up the treble doesn't help. It's a live album but even though you can hear the audience, it still doesn't sound "live". It's hard to describe.
I remember getting that one on vinyl when it was first released, and I didn't like the sound then, either. I looked in the liner notes and it said that this was their first-ever digitally recorded, digitally produced album (or something similar - it's been a long time). I thought Okay, so apparently digital production sucks. Honestly, I don't know if I've heard anything since then to change my mind.
And that's why I don't frequent any Rush forums.and I finally get it!
For the first time, I am truly disgusted with the Rush fan in general. Not you guys, the people are the Rush boards. I am tired of defending these elitist snobs!
One guy starts a thread about how much he hates DT based on the first thing he finally heard from them. Are you ready... A fucking youtube clip of them playing a Rush cover! He then goes on to say he now understands why people don't like them, cause it sucked so bad! He hated the singer, blah blah, blah.
I personally don't like James singing Rush either but what a fool this dude is.
This jackass has never heard one single Dream Theater song yet he now knows why they suck! What a complete dick! I can't take it. :facepalm:
Ok, I need to take a deep breath. >:(
No, it was a couple days ago. This thread made me disgusted.For the first time, I am truly disgusted with the Rush fan in general. Not you guys, the people are the Rush boards. I am tired of defending these elitist snobs!
One guy starts a thread about how much he hates DT based on the first thing he finally heard from them. Are you ready... A fucking youtube clip of them playing a Rush cover! He then goes on to say he now understands why people don't like them, cause it sucked so bad! He hated the singer, blah blah, blah.
I personally don't like James singing Rush either but what a fool this dude is.
This jackass has never heard one single Dream Theater song yet he now knows why they suck! What a complete dick! I can't take it. :facepalm:
Ok, I need to take a deep breath. >:(
was this recent? because I swear I saw a thread like that on therushforum like, 8 months ago. unless this is a normal occurrence with TRF...
For the first time, I am truly disgusted with the Rush fan in general. Not you guys, the people are the Rush boards. I am tired of defending these elitist snobs!
One guy starts a thread about how much he hates DT based on the first thing he finally heard from them. Are you ready... A fucking youtube clip of them playing a Rush cover! He then goes on to say he now understands why people don't like them, cause it sucked so bad! He hated the singer, blah blah, blah.
I personally don't like James singing Rush either but what a fool this dude is.
This jackass has never heard one single Dream Theater song yet he now knows why they suck! What a complete dick! I can't take it. :facepalm:
Ok, I need to take a deep breath. >:(
For the first time, I am truly disgusted with the Rush fan in general. Not you guys, the people are the Rush boards. I am tired of defending these elitist snobs!
One guy starts a thread about how much he hates DT based on the first thing he finally heard from them. Are you ready... A fucking youtube clip of them playing a Rush cover! He then goes on to say he now understands why people don't like them, cause it sucked so bad! He hated the singer, blah blah, blah.
I personally don't like James singing Rush either but what a fool this dude is.
This jackass has never heard one single Dream Theater song yet he now knows why they suck! What a complete dick! I can't take it. :facepalm:
Ok, I need to take a deep breath. >:(
was this recent? because I swear I saw a thread like that on therushforum like, 8 months ago. unless this is a normal occurrence with TRF...
I do understand. I met a lot of mature cool people there 3 or 4 years ago, that are close personal friends of mine today. I love them.For the first time, I am truly disgusted with the Rush fan in general. Not you guys, the people are the Rush boards. I am tired of defending these elitist snobs!
One guy starts a thread about how much he hates DT based on the first thing he finally heard from them. Are you ready... A fucking youtube clip of them playing a Rush cover! He then goes on to say he now understands why people don't like them, cause it sucked so bad! He hated the singer, blah blah, blah.
I personally don't like James singing Rush either but what a fool this dude is.
This jackass has never heard one single Dream Theater song yet he now knows why they suck! What a complete dick! I can't take it. :facepalm:
Ok, I need to take a deep breath. >:(
was this recent? because I swear I saw a thread like that on therushforum like, 8 months ago. unless this is a normal occurrence with TRF...
Yeah, I remember someone bringing up that there were angry Rush fans who hated DT based solely on that cover of The Camera Eye. Whether they were TRF users or youtube comments I can't remember.
@Tick: You understand why I didn't stay long at TRF? :biggrin:
The first side of Hemispheres does nothing for me. Again I'm in a minority.do you just not like good music
Honestly, Hemispheres is a great song, but the first side, to me, is easily the most overrated song in the Rush discography. Its great, but I don't think its worthy of all the OMGSOPROGSOGOOD fawning it gets. Disliking it outright is very, VERY odd, but I can see where he's coming from.
I think Hemispheres is one of my least favorite epics.That's it I'm taking back your christmas gift.
SS, you just mentioned that musical virtuosity, multiple sections, and an "epic ending" were not reasons for OMGSOPROGSOGOOD fawning (which I really just said as a joke to begin with). Do you not listen to prog? :neverusethis:I mean its not the fact that its prog that I love it. Its just it sounds so good!
And I actually don't think Geddy's voice is anything to write home about with that song. There are lots of older songs that have better performances. The music is great, though, just not THAT great.
The tard face usually implies part or all of a post is in jest and should be taken extra-not-seriously. Nub.
I think Hemispheres is one of my least favorite epics.Its my favorite epic by far.
It took me a while, hopefully he'll come around.
Counterparts is a really good record, a lot better than people give it credit for. Double Agent and Cold Fire are great songs.
Well your opinion is wrong.
Well your opinion is wrong.
The biggest weakness of Counterparts is its inconsistency. There are songs that are simply amazing (Cut To The Chase, Cold Fire, Animate), but I just don't care for some other songs (Stick It Out, The Speed Of Love). Apart from that, it's a very good album.
I never said it was a terrible album.Well your opinion is wrong.
Remember who posted that. Are you really surprised?
Nobody's Hero is pretty good
25 years ago today, perfection was released in album form:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Power Windows came into being.
25 years ago today, perfection was released in album form
Power Windows came into being.
25 years ago today, perfection was released in album form
Power Windows came into being.
Marathon :heart
25 years ago today, perfection was released in album form
Power Windows came into being.
Marathon :heart
:heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
You don't need an excuse to listen to Rush. :p
You don't need an excuse to listen to Rush. :p
You can't deny the truth! :pYou don't need an excuse to listen to Rush. :p
This is true. Marathon is absolutely amazing, especially live. The light show and fireworks... :omg:
Also: Dammit Seventh Son.
I love Marathon, but I think I love Manhatten Project just a wee bit more.
Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.I have to agree with this part. Honestly, out of the four synth albums, it's the only one that has really clicked with me.
I enjoy P/G and PW a lot, but Signals/HYF don't do anything for me.Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.I have to agree with this part. Honestly, out of the four synth albums, it's the only one that has really clicked with me.
I enjoy P/G and PW a lot, but Signals/HYF don't do anything for me.Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.I have to agree with this part. Honestly, out of the four synth albums, it's the only one that has really clicked with me.
Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.I have to agree with this part. Honestly, out of the four synth albums, it's the only one that has really clicked with me.
I keep forgetting Losing It is on Signals... that makes the album a much stronger album then.There is not a single song on Signals that matches up with Between the Wheels, Afterimage, etc.
Signals is probably on par with GUP. Signals has better songs but I think GUP has a better "album feel".
SubdivisionsSubdivisions is great and all, but I'd honestly put every song on P/G over Subdivisions.
SubdivisionsSubdivisions is great and all, but I'd honestly put every song on P/G over Subdivisions.
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Subdivisions, Losing It, and The Analog Kid are better than everything on P/G.Between the Wheels says hi, kicks you in the nads and gives you the finger.
But then you have Chemistry and Countdown... yuck.
While there are synths on other albums, those are the four albums where the synths have such a prominent role throughout.Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.I have to agree with this part. Honestly, out of the four synth albums, it's the only one that has really clicked with me.
The four synth albums? Signals through Hold Your Fire, I presume? Obviously they started using synths much earlier than that, and continued after, but I guess these four are the most synth-based.
While there are synths on other albums, those are the four albums where the synths have such a prominent role throughout.Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.I have to agree with this part. Honestly, out of the four synth albums, it's the only one that has really clicked with me.
The four synth albums? Signals through Hold Your Fire, I presume? Obviously they started using synths much earlier than that, and continued after, but I guess these four are the most synth-based.
Grace Under Pressure feels the most organic to me and probably why I love it more than any other synth album. PW is awesome as well. Signals/Hold Your Fire have their moments but are "meh" for the most part for me. I still really enjoy the synth era though! Their 90's stuff has been hard for me to get into though. The only 90's album I truly like all the way through would be Roll The Bones.While there are synths on other albums, those are the four albums where the synths have such a prominent role throughout.Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.I have to agree with this part. Honestly, out of the four synth albums, it's the only one that has really clicked with me.
The four synth albums? Signals through Hold Your Fire, I presume? Obviously they started using synths much earlier than that, and continued after, but I guess these four are the most synth-based.
Yeah, I gathered from subsequent postings that these are the ones referred to as the "synth" albums. Rush had that thing where they'd do four studio albums, then a live album, then the next four studio albums constituted something of a new "phase" or "era", so this is the synth era.
I listened to Signals yesterday, and will continue with Grace Under Pressure next. I missed a lot of the 80's, due to various things going on in my life, and in general need to try and increase my appreciation for this most ridiculous decade.
"We're in discussions right now trying to firm up some dates so I think we're gonna try to come over here in the late spring. If all goes well - we're supposed to be going right back into the studio and finish the work that we started before the last tour but there's something about the way the Time Machine Tour came together that we'd like as many Rush fans as possible to experience it. So I think we're gonna try and bring that tour to Europe." - Geddy Lee, Planet Rock, November 12, 2012
The date is listed as "november 12 2012." Something's fishy there.
"I can already tell you that the title track is going to be one of the coolest things they've ever done. It's going to be epic. I told them, 'Don't try to write a single. Don't try to do anything conventional. Give me Rush from back in the day.' They don't need to write something for the sake of radio play. They're Rush! [laughs] So I think the record is going to be a little more bare bones, a little less produced. It's going to be more direct, with killer riffs, solos, pounding drums and Geddy singing up high the way he should. That, to me, is the sound of Rush." - Nick Raskulinecz, MusicRadar.com, November 3, 2010
Oh hey, Roll the Bones is the best 90's Rush album.
And "the rap" is actually pretty good. :biggrin:
Oh hey, Roll the Bones is the best 90's Rush album.
And "the rap" is actually pretty good. :biggrin:
I agree with this
Except Counterparts is the best.
I guess given that Roll the Bones was the first Rush album I ever heard I have more of an affinity for it
I guess given that Roll the Bones was the first Rush album I ever heard I have more of an affinity for it
I like it more than most because a) it had just came out when I was getting into Rush, and b) my first serious girlfriend (several months later) and I listened to it like crazy for most of the year we went out. So, it will always be a nostalgic favorite of mine. "Face Up" and "You Bet Your Life" are still pretty weak, however, and "Neurotica" could have been great with a much better chorus.
I would also love to see it again, but sadly, I think "Where's My Thing" was one of those "one tour and done" songs. Then again, they could always want to add in another instrumental or two on future tours, to help save Geddy's voice over the course of a long tour, so you never know...
Eh, no more medleys for me, please. Rush hasn't done those in years, except for the "R30 Overture," so hopefully they are finished with them.
Yeah, I would always prefer just hearing one song over a medley.
OMG!!! :facepalm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgT1AA7wtSI
Question: Other than Caravan/BU2B, what B-sides are there by Rush? I get the impression that they don't have a whole lot of them.
Neither of those songs are B-sides, Rush basically has no original b-sides.Well, until The Clockwork Angels comes out that's how I'll refer to them :P
OMG!!! :facepalm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgT1AA7wtSI
I thought it was pretty good. Don't :facepalm: just because its some lesser being covering Rush.
Agree with Kev and PLM. Luckily at both shows I've been to there were no medleys.
Neither of those songs are B-sides, Rush basically has no original b-sides.Well, until The Clockwork Angels comes out that's how I'll refer to them :P
Eh, my definition of EP is more than 2 small, short songs. In todays modern music world, I think of an EP being 20-40 minutes long. Its really just a personal connotation :lolNeither of those songs are B-sides, Rush basically has no original b-sides.Well, until The Clockwork Angels comes out that's how I'll refer to them :P
Why would you intentionally do something that is wrong? They are pre-album tracks originally released as a digital EP.
CD's don't have sides :neverusethis:
Digital downloads don't have sides :neverusethis:
Listening to Power Windows again.
My god I forgot how awesome this album is :metal
Its still only #3 for me though. A Farewell to Kings and Grace Under Pressure are just too good for me.
Ytse, wasn't Vital Signs live released on a 45 B side. I can't remember if it was New World man 45. I think?
I love the cold and wintery feel of P/G. The album cover matches the feel and vibe of the music PERFECTLY.
I love the cold and wintery feel of P/G. The album cover matches the feel and vibe of the music PERFECTLY.THIS
I love the cold and wintery feel of P/G. The album cover matches the feel and vibe of the music PERFECTLY.
Top ten? Psh. Marathon is top 1Not quite.
I would read it but I'm not promising I won't strangle you once you inevitably start failing.Honestly I expect all of DTF to strangle me once they see it :neverusethis:
I would read it but I'm not promising I won't strangle you once you inevitably start failing.
So long as "Time and Motion" isn't in your top 140, I'll be fine with it. :biggrin::neverusethis:
As long as Marathon makes it at least really close to the top ten we're cool.I wouldn't disappoint you PLM, now would I? ;)
Except Rivendell is not better than Anthem. At all
Top ten? Psh. Marathon is top 1
I relistened to Test for Echo again today. Still don't like the album but I realized the album has 3 gems. Driven, Time and Motion, and Resist are really good songs stuck in an album of mediocrity.
Well, I think there are a number of songs on HYF better than Lock and Key and a good number of great songs on Presto, RtB and even a few gems on Counterparts too (I don't think Counterparts is bad, just a lot of the album blends together for me) :PI relistened to Test for Echo again today. Still don't like the album but I realized the album has 3 gems. Driven, Time and Motion, and Resist are really good songs stuck in an album of mediocrity.
I remain firm in my stance that Test for Echo is an incredibly underrated album and my personal favourite from the 90s, even if most dont agree.
Nevertheless, I'm glad that you discovered the 3 best songs on that album (imo, Time and Motion, at the time, was the best song they had done since Lock and Key).
Those fills are tough starting out, but PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. At the end of it you'll be saying "holy hell why did I ever think this was hard?"
Ok, so Rush are touring the UK in May but the tickets are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY expensive.
Basically I need to know if Rush are amazing enough live for me to blow £60 on, bearing in mind that I'm a fairly big fan of the band but not a massive, massive fan.
???
Ok, so Rush are touring the UK in May but the tickets are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY expensive.
Basically I need to know if Rush are amazing enough live for me to blow £60 on, bearing in mind that I'm a fairly big fan of the band but not a massive, massive fan.
???
They are certainly amazing enough.
Ok, so Rush are touring the UK in May but the tickets are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY expensive.
Basically I need to know if Rush are amazing enough live for me to blow £60 on, bearing in mind that I'm a fairly big fan of the band but not a massive, massive fan.
???
On the cost:
There are actually 4 prices. £75, £65, £55 and £45. You'll be allocated seating depending on the price you choose. I chose £55 and got block 113 in the Manchester MEN.
(https://www.gigsport.com/images/seatingplan/MENArena_EndstageSeating.gif)
As a side note:
I GOT FUCKIN RUSH TICKETS YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
And now for something different:
You know, if HYF wouldn't have Tai Shan and High Water on it, it would be easily able to hold up against P/G and PoW. This album gets too much flak.
I listened to Snakes & Arrows Live during the drive back to school today and the Snakes & Arrows songs sound so good. What an amazing record.
https://www.rush.com/low/tour.html
More North American dates...including Greensboro NC on a Friday! Me=happy! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Of course this also means I will be spending lots of money again... :( Even worse its not an outdoor gig, meaning no relatively cheap lawn seats...
But the pros outweigh all the cons.
https://www.rush.com/low/tour.htmlSonuvabitch! Yes!
More North American dates...including Greensboro NC on a Friday! Me=happy! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Of course this also means I will be spending lots of money again... :( Even worse its not an outdoor gig, meaning no relatively cheap lawn seats...
But the pros outweigh all the cons.
I have seen Rush 37 times and have not missed a tour since my first in 1981. I have a feeling this one may be my first.tick, this is a second leg of the tour though. Your record is intact!!
Wow. They are playing MSG. That is cool. I won't go, but that is still pretty cool. The show I saw in Allentown was amazing though.
And since the tour program has the official Time Machine set list listed in it, unless they change it in the program, you would have to assume that the set list will be exactly the same. At best, they might swap out of a few songs (like they did for the 2nd leg of the S&A tour), but I wouldn't expect any major changes at all.
We should have a DTF meetup because I'm sure that SDN will be there.
Tickets go on sale in 54 minutes :caffeine:
OH MY GOD $135 A TICKET INCLUDING FEES FOR PIT.WTF IS THIS SHIT
I'm so excited. December 11th can't get here fast enough. I'm definitely getting pit tickets this time. OH MY GOD $135 A TICKET INCLUDING FEES FOR PIT.
I agree but damn. I'm going to be in the front row, bitches!
https://rush.musictoday.com/Rush/calendar.aspx
Try that. Sign up there and you can see the calendar and see the presale tickets. Following Rushisaband on twitter will let you see when the presales start. Planning on hitting Greensboro, TOX?
Looks like presales for the remaining shows will be either monday or tuesday
https://www.rushisaband.com
Looks like presales for the remaining shows will be either monday or tuesday
https://www.rushisaband.com
PLM, you should go to the MSG show as well as the Hershey one. :biggrin:
Finally got around to watching "Beyond the Lighted Stage" yesterday.
Good god, such a good MOVIE standalone, I think I'm going to watch it again. Made me love Rush all over again.
Rush.com announces that the 4/15 show at Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland will be filmed! https://www.rushisaband.com/display.php?id=2408
I've got tickets to the Detroit show! :caffeine:Alex is going to blow you mind UMH.
Pretty much the very back of the floor, but Rush is Rush, so I'm not one to complain.
I hope they play La Villa so I can hear is stream of consciousness rant.
I've got tickets to the Detroit show! :caffeine:
Pretty much the very back of the floor, but Rush is Rush, so I'm not one to complain.
And now, we pray.
My sister is in, I'm willing to make it work...
All that needs to happen is my friend needs to agree to my Rush in Cleveland/Pittsburgh the next day trip and I will be at a Rush DVD shoot.
Any other time this wouldn't be a question, but he *just* settled on a house which he moves into in January.
And now, we pray.
My sister is in, I'm willing to make it work...
All that needs to happen is my friend needs to agree to my Rush in Cleveland/Pittsburgh the next day trip and I will be at a Rush DVD shoot.
Any other time this wouldn't be a question, but he *just* settled on a house which he moves into in January.
I mentioned this on facebook, but which seats are you planning on getting? I'd go too if I can afford it
And now, we pray.
My sister is in, I'm willing to make it work...
All that needs to happen is my friend needs to agree to my Rush in Cleveland/Pittsburgh the next day trip and I will be at a Rush DVD shoot.
Any other time this wouldn't be a question, but he *just* settled on a house which he moves into in January.
I mentioned this on facebook, but which seats are you planning on getting? I'd go too if I can afford it
Since front section is only $95 I'll probably do that, might as well considering the distance I'd be traveling.
And now, we pray.
My sister is in, I'm willing to make it work...
All that needs to happen is my friend needs to agree to my Rush in Cleveland/Pittsburgh the next day trip and I will be at a Rush DVD shoot.
Any other time this wouldn't be a question, but he *just* settled on a house which he moves into in January.
I mentioned this on facebook, but which seats are you planning on getting? I'd go too if I can afford it
Since front section is only $95 I'll probably do that, might as well considering the distance I'd be traveling.
Holy shit the front section is only 95? Damn that's a good price.
So I listened to all of Hold Your Fire for the first time in a while today. Man, the album drops off after "Time Stand Still," doesn't get back up till "Lock and Key," and then takes a nosedive into horribleness after "Turn the Page." No wonder I don't listen to it that much.
So I listened to all of Hold Your Fire for the first time in a while today. Man, the album drops off after "Time Stand Still," doesn't get back up till "Lock and Key," and then takes a nosedive into horribleness after "Turn the Page." No wonder I don't listen to it that much.
This post makes me sad. "Prime Mover" and "Open Secrets" are both magnificent. However, the sound of it can be a difficult hill to climb, as it is so bright and tinny, but without the fat bottom end that Power Windows had.
Roll the Bones is amazing. I can't believe it doesn't get much attention.
Roll the Bones is amazing. I can't believe it doesn't get much attention.
The album? I've always had a soft spot for it due to nostalgic reasons. I also never understood why everyone hates Neurotica, I love the opening to that song.
Armor and Sword is actually a damn good song.+1. S&A in general is just awesome.
"CLOCKWORK ANGELS" UPDATE - GEDDY LEE: 'END OF 2011'
The December issue of Classic Rock magazine includes an interview with Geddy Lee given in November when Rush received the Living Legends award. Geddy was asked about the status of the upcoming album Clockwork Angels:
"It's a long way from finished. About half of it is written, hopefully it'll be done by the end of 2011." - Geddy Lee, Classic Rock, December 2010
:tdwn
I'd much rather them scrap the second leg of the tour and just finish the album.
:tdwn
I'd much rather them scrap the second leg of the tour and just finish the album.
A week ago I would have said this. Now that I have my ticket, I'd rather they didn't unless they gave me a full refund including service charges.
Geddy saying it will hopefully be done by the end of 2011 means it probably won't be released until, at the earliest, probably the spring of 2012, so this is gonna be quite a wait, it looks like. That's a bummer and definitely disappointing. Them doing a second leg this year instead of finishing the album... :tdwn :tdwnHahaha you said bummer......
Honestly, I usually stop listening after LttA :P
Honestly, I usually stop listening after LttA :P
You really should take the time to listen to Cold Fire. Great song.
Yeah, the chorus is awesome. And I love Alex's subtle acoustic flourishes throughout the song. Plus, I love how the acoustic strumming during the chorus makes it sound that much fuller. And let us not forget one of the greatest modern Rush moments:One of my favorite of Neil's lyrics as well. Actually, it was a huge inspiration in high school for me to begin writing my own poetry.
"If the future's looking dark
We're the ones who have to shine
If there's no one in control
We're the ones who draw the line
Though we live in trying times
We're the ones who have to try
Though we know that time has wings
We're the ones who have to fly..."
So awesome. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I'm calm now and grateful that I have tickets. But next time, I'm getting pre-sale.
Guys!
I finished watching Beyond The Lighted Stage yesterday and love it.
Any thoughts?
When I travel to Cleveland for the show it will be my 10th, exciting for so many reasons!
(They still trail DT, who I've seen 12 times)
Alright, if anyone can help me here, it would be much appreciated.
I'm sure, many years ago, I saw a picture of either Geddy Lee or the whole of Rush wearing a santa hat. Does anybody know if I'm going mental, or does such a picture exist? And if it does, could somebody please post it here or point me in the right direction? If it doesn't, just tell me I'm mental and I'll go away happy.
Thanks!
Posted by: kingshmegland
I love that in the 2000's, Rush has filmed every tour.
Alright, if anyone can help me here, it would be much appreciated.
I'm sure, many years ago, I saw a picture of either Geddy Lee or the whole of Rush wearing a santa hat. Does anybody know if I'm going mental, or does such a picture exist? And if it does, could somebody please post it here or point me in the right direction? If it doesn't, just tell me I'm mental and I'll go away happy.
Thanks!
I think someone did a photoshop somewhere along the line if I recall correctly.
Hey, nothing wows the ladies in the bedroom like a monogrammed Rush blanket!
Alright, if anyone can help me here, it would be much appreciated.
I'm sure, many years ago, I saw a picture of either Geddy Lee or the whole of Rush wearing a santa hat. Does anybody know if I'm going mental, or does such a picture exist? And if it does, could somebody please post it here or point me in the right direction? If it doesn't, just tell me I'm mental and I'll go away happy.
Thanks!
I think someone did a photoshop somewhere along the line if I recall correctly.
Thanks for that... I can't find anything anywhere. I'm sure I saw a picture in Kerrang! Or maybe Metal Hammer, but that would have probably been over 20 years ago. I just wanted to make an appropriate Christmas card to put the Rush tickets (well, mockups, they haven't actually arrived yet) in to give to my wife in the morning. :smiley:
RUSH RULES!!! Looking forward to a new cd, hopefully in the spring early summer. Nice to hear other people share the same love for Rush; I'm used to people saying they dislike the band. "Beyond the Lighted Stage" showcased what the band is about and the appreciation that they deserve
I agree, the personal footage was very cool. I especially enjoyed seeing footage of Alex Lifeson at home growing up and advising his parents of his desire to be a musician.
Which raises the question of why was it filmed in the first place? Who sees a dinner table discussion about a child's future and goes "oh shit, gotta go get the video camera!"?
Eh, the Tool comparison is completely unfair.
In Tool's first 17 years, they released four studio albums. Four.
In Rush's first 17 years, they released 13.
No comparison.
And given Alex's tendency to say stuff that doesn't actually happen ("Jacob's Ladder" on last year's tour, damn it!), I usually have a hard time buying anything he says anymore when it comes to the band's time table, songs they will play, future plans, etc.
It's still a bizarre comparison, since Rush is nearing the end of their career (and all are in their late 50s), while Tool has had these long breaks during their younger days, which is strange since almost all bands are at their most prolific from a quantity standpoint early in their career. The fact that Rush is even still together and writing new music is pretty amazing, so I think comparing them in this way to a band that has always taken forever to write and release new music just doesn't make sense.
Looks like they're working the 5-year mark (VT in 02, S&A in 07, and now CA in 12.
I've come to the conclusion that the 4 albums of the synth era (Signals thru Hold Your Fire) are easily the band's high point. As much as I love everything before them, nothing beats the synth albums.
The album will definitely be out this year.
Love all the era's of Rush, but the debut until Grace Under Pressure are, in my opinion, is the best of the best. I love the sounds of Signals and Grace Under Pressure. Some reviews are negative, but I really enjoy those two cd'sGrace Under Pressure is light years a better album then the debut, imo.
Anybody know of a good Rush biography to recommend?The one written by the Bman is good. Just watch the movie, its all ya need.
Also Contents Under Pressure. Not a biography, but it does contain in-depth interviews going album by album through the band's whole discography up to Vapor Trails. I found it very informative.Anybody know of a good Rush biography to recommend?The one written by the Bman is good. Just watch the movie, its all ya need.
Why do you think this?
Also Contents Under Pressure. Not a biography, but it does contain in-depth interviews going album by album through the band's whole discography up to Vapor Trails. I found it very informative.Anybody know of a good Rush biography to recommend?The one written by the Bman is good. Just watch the movie, its all ya need.
Yeah I already have that one.
Yeah I already have that one.
YEAH WELL READ IT AGAIN THEN
Why do you think this?
Because Geddy told me it would.
Yeah I already have that one.
This book is an automatic buy for me!!
https://www.rushisaband.com/display.php?id=2448
This book is an automatic buy for me!!
https://www.rushisaband.com/display.php?id=2448
Got my tickets to the Portland show. :caffeine:
Got my tickets to the Portland show. :caffeine:
How did you get your tickets if the site says they don't go on sale til the 31st?
Listening to my original 1974 LP of the debut now.
YEAH! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAH!
In other news, according to Alex in his interview with Planet Rock UK recently, the set is not changing at all for this leg.
Alex said that Vapor Trails is getting a complete remix.
CA is coming out early 2012 according to AL, he told Planet Rock today.
Guitarist Alex Lifeson told the magazine, "We were never happy with the production. Perhaps we should have taken more time over the record. But now we've got the chance to improve things." He added, "There will be no re-recording, just a remix."
Please god, let Steven Wilson be doing these remixes.That's fine, as long as he doesn't sing!
Please god, let Steven Wilson be doing these remixes.That's fine, as long as he doesn't sing!
I just though of something though... I don't think they could have possibly picked two worse albums to do 5.1 on. Vapor Trails has 0 keyboards and Moving Pictures will have a live 5.1 mix once the Cleveland DVD is out.
Just wanted to say that Hemispheres was the song/album that first got me into prog. So epic, so good! :metal
30 years ago today, the world changed. Moving Pictures was released to the public.:tup
I've had Snakes & Arrows since its release. I've heard countless other Rush songs and albums, but none grab me like this one. Hearing that someone involved with the creation of this album audio-wise is going to be working with DT excited me and inspired me to give S&A a spin.
Alex Lifeson rips the heart of the guitar. Also, while I'm at it, this album's sound is phenomenal.
From https://musictap.net/ (https://musictap.net/):
"Alex Lifeson of Rush has let it be known that a 5.1 mix of Moving Pictures (1981) is being readied as well as a 5.1 remix of Vapor Trails (2002). No release dates set for the time being. In addition, the Rush Universal albums are being slated for a remaster/reissue campaign (no word on which precise titles nor a release date). Their last remaster campaign was The 1997 Rush Remasters."
I don't know if this is old, but apparently they're entering the studio in Sept 2011 and releasing the album before the NEXT tour, Spring 2012
https://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Features/alex-lifeson-0218-2011/
Eh, I love Rush, but I think that is backwards. The demand for more touring didn't push the CD back; them deciding on their own to tour again this year pushed it back.
Eh, I love Rush, but I think that is backwards. The demand for more touring didn't push the CD back; them deciding on their own to tour again this year pushed it back.
It's how bands make money these days. I'm like you in that I'm having Rush studio music withdrawls but it's the business of music today.
The fact that many older bands just do nostagic tours and never make new music(STYX DO YOU HEAR ME!!) is what I want from bands, to stay relevant.
Marc... your post confused me. It made sense until the part about Vapor Trails being good. :p
Marc... your post confused me. It made sense until the part about Vapor Trails being good. :p
Personally, I'd be a lot more patient in waiting for the album if they came to Halifax. Or anywhere in the Maritimes.
So I'm doing something with Rush I've never done with any other band. I'm (kinda) discovering them by listening to their entire discography in chronological order. The discussion on DTF gave me the motivation for that.
You know, I'm the diehard prog fan that only cared for what people said were their proggy albums, and wasn't in the slightest interested in the post-MP albums (DT lol) that had shorter songs, more synthetizers, etc. (for what people said, not that I listened to any of them). So I got from 2112 to Moving Pictures. And I liked YYZ, The Camera Eye (mi favorite song from them), parts of 2112, etc. but never considered any of their albums a masterpiece.
Until I listened to Hemispheres (I left that one for last I don't know why). %$&$ %&$$ what an album!!! It's incredible from start to finish, I love every second of it. Of course, it's the ideal album for a prog fan with the epic and the instrumental and everything, but I've finally seen Rush as a truly great band, and I can certainly appreciate the changes in their sound and styles even in the short span of 5 albums. From Hemispheres to Moving Pictures is already a big leap! So what I'm going to do is a study on their evolution as a band, at the same time listening to their other 9 albums for their first time. I hope it's gonna be an Amazing Journey.
EDIT: The name of the first song I'm gonna listen to is "Finding My Way", and the last is "We Hold On". They work very well as opener and closer IMO.
Enjoy your journey.Thank you Orbert
reneranucci, :tup :tupHey, as one of the biggest Rush-lovers here, you're the one to blame for me trying this :P
Let us know how your journey goes as you move along on it. :)
The one misnomer about Grace Under Pressure is that it's a synth album. Rush went way to the guitar driven side for it. It's dark.
Also a little known fact. Alex tried like crazy not to make solo's that weren't chordal and Neil did not use his concert toms(6"/8"/10") on the album.
Enjoy your journey.Thank you Orbertreneranucci, :tup :tupHey, as one of the biggest Rush-lovers here, you're the one to blame for me trying this :P
Let us know how your journey goes as you move along on it. :)
Progress so far: I'm still on Rush (1974). "Here Again" is such a great song, and that killer guitar solo! I really like their approach to hard rock. I know Working Man is one of their classics but I haven't gotten there yet.
Posted by: PlaysLikeMyüng
I don't like how people automatically discredit anything past Moving Pictures. Signals, Power Windows, Hold Your Fire, Roll the Bones, Counterparts, and Snakes & Arrows are all pretty fucking awesome at LEAST.
reneranucci, :tup :tupHey, as one of the biggest Rush-lovers here, you're the one to blame for me trying this :P
Let us know how your journey goes as you move along on it. :)
Yeah, it's like 2112 is the album they were building to all those years. Their first real peak.
I don't think that's necessarily true for all artists, but DEFINITELY for pop artists. I mean, i wouldn't call any prog/metal band out there 'successful' that started in the past decade :P
Rush Moving Pictures Audio Blu-ray Delayed (click) (https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5993)
According to retailer information, Rush: Moving Pictures, initially scheduled for release on April 5, will finally come out four weeks later, on May 3, on a Blu-ray/CD set.The BD will feature the album and three bonus music videos, "Tom Sawyer," "Limelight" and the previously unreleased clip "Vital Signs." Audio will be presented in a 5.1 surround sound mix supervised by the band's Alex Lifeson using the original multi-tracks (DTS-HD Master Audio and 96kHz/24-bit PCM) and in newly remastered stereo from the original analog master tapes (96kHz/24-bit PCM).
Also included in the package is an extensive gallery with previously unreleased photos from the original recording sessions, new liner notes by renowned music journalist David Fricke and 30th anniversary artwork by original album designer Hugh Syme.
I still want someone (MP's Cygnus & The Sea Monsters, perhaps?) to cover "The Fountain Of Lamneth" and do some re-arranging to add transitions between the movements, and give "Bacchus Plateau" an ending.It's curious that we pointed out the same thing.
My main problem is with The Fountain of Lamneth. There are only a few moments that excite me, the rest of the song is pretty dull IMO. Another drawback is that they make small pauses between the sections instead of developing transitions between them. I hate that in multi-section songs, it makes them feel disconnected. I'll listen to it more times to see if it grows on me, but I don't think it is regarded as one of their best songs.
I'd like to get a live CD or DVD. what should I buy? I'm leaning towards Rush in Rio because the setlist looks great but I don't know if there is something better.
the audience is VERY loud and VERY participatory...like, more than you'd normally imagine at any live show. They sing along to YYZ, which is odd since it's an instrumental, but they go for it, note by note.I remember watching the DVD for the first time, and I really wasn't ready to be blown away by the crowd like that. It has to be the wildest audience I've ever seen on a DVD. :smiley:
I'd like to get a live CD or DVD. what should I buy? I'm leaning towards Rush in Rio because the setlist looks great but I don't know if there is something better.
2 weeks and 4 days until Greensboro.
*\o INTERCEPTED2 weeks and 4 days until Greensboro.
o/
Got my ticket in the mail!o/
fuck yeah power windows :metal:lol
I just want to say how cool it is that you refer to the albums in terms of "sides". Some bands took a lot of care picking the track list order, and in the LP days, there was the added issue of arranging songs into two acts. Each side generally had its own opener and closer, sometimes the sides themselves contrasted each other (mostly acoustic vs mostly heavy, for example), that kind of thing. That was kinduv lost with the transition to CD.
Marc, I totally agree, but I am 99.999 sure that "Closer to the Heart" was the first song on Side 2 of the original vinyl, not the last song of Side 1. But anyway, again, I agree on the sides thing. :tup :tup
I remember being surprised when I found that out, so you are not alone in that regard. ;) I think it was mentioned in the "Visions" book that that B-Man fella wrote.:lol It just seems to fit better as 3-and-3, with Side 1 being 19:52, and Side 2 being 17:21...seems more even to me than 16:59/20:14, but it's only a matter of 22 seconds difference, so it's not terribly upsetting. Still very interesting though - I always felt Side 1 would have more shape placing "Xanadu" in the middle, but opening Side 2 with "Closer To The Heart" makes more sense than closing Side 1 now that I know that it actually didn't close Side 1.
A must buy for all Rush fans!!!!
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1770410589/?tag=imwan-20
...wat.
Rivendell is a good song. Not very intense or exciting or anything, but good.
Roll the Bones is actually good. I've never been that crazy about Presto.Those two and Power Windows are better than most people say.
I don't think it does in comparison to other albums though.
I prefer Presto to Roll the Bones also, but that may be because I've listened to Presto a lot more. Roll the Bones has some good stuff, I'm just not as familiar with it.
Or maybe get your car fixed.
God, the third disc of Different Stages is so awesome. I actually don't have it on CD... the guy who got me into Rush (a bootleg collector I used to trade with on a Rolling Stones board) sent me a bunch of the extra albums he had... he included Different Stages, but for some reason, there were only disc one and two. He included the third disc on a burnt CD, but it has gaps on it. I don't feel like buying Different Stages for one CD since I have the actual CDs for the first two discs.
Anyways, my question is was there a 2-disc release of this? I'm not home, and it's been a few years since I looked at the packaging, but I want to say there were only two slots for cds in mine.
God, the third disc of Different Stages is so awesome. I actually don't have it on CD... the guy who got me into Rush (a bootleg collector I used to trade with on a Rolling Stones board) sent me a bunch of the extra albums he had... he included Different Stages, but for some reason, there were only disc one and two. He included the third disc on a burnt CD, but it has gaps on it. I don't feel like buying Different Stages for one CD since I have the actual CDs for the first two discs.
Anyways, my question is was there a 2-disc release of this? I'm not home, and it's been a few years since I looked at the packaging, but I want to say there were only two slots for cds in mine.
I have it on CD somewhere, and I seem to recall that the third disc had its own sleeve and was just slipped into the jacket. It also had some cool software graphics program on it that was fun to play with, but you could only run it if the CD was in, which limited it severely.
:tupSecond, saw them in D.C. September 18th. Totally worth the 4 hour ride. Probably the most fun I've ever had.
Is this your first time seeing them?
I'm guessing you guys know this but in case.....
I said three *posts* ago, not three pages ago!
You're losing it. :p
I said three *posts* ago, not three pages ago!
You're losing it. :p
I see what you did there :neverusethis:
-Marc.
I'm guessing you guys know this but in case.....
In case we missed Kev's post three posts ago? :p
I said three *posts* ago, not three pages ago!
You're losing it. :p
I see what you did there :neverusethis:
-Marc.
Never feed into Nick's antics. :lol
God, the third disc of Different Stages is so awesome. I actually don't have it on CD... the guy who got me into Rush (a bootleg collector I used to trade with on a Rolling Stones board) sent me a bunch of the extra albums he had... he included Different Stages, but for some reason, there were only disc one and two. He included the third disc on a burnt CD, but it has gaps on it. I don't feel like buying Different Stages for one CD since I have the actual CDs for the first two discs.
Anyways, my question is was there a 2-disc release of this? I'm not home, and it's been a few years since I looked at the packaging, but I want to say there were only two slots for cds in mine.
I have it on CD somewhere, and I seem to recall that the third disc had its own sleeve and was just slipped into the jacket. It also had some cool software graphics program on it that was fun to play with, but you could only run it if the CD was in, which limited it severely.
Yup. Orbert is 100% correct.
ATTENTIONS ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION
ATTENTIONS ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION
ATTENTIONS ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION
NICK HAS FAILED AGAIN
NICK HAS FAILED AGAIN
NICK HAS FAILED AGAIN
NICK HAS FAILED AGAIN
He needed to repeat it a fourth time to really drive home how much you fail.
Rush always put on a great show, but it is disappointing that they wouldn't change anything since last time. The exact same set list? That's kinda weak, guys.
2011-03-30: To celebrate the renewal of Rush's Time Machine tour, and my own personal trip of 400 miles to see the Rush DVD filming in Cleveland, April will officially be Rush month at When Prog and Power Unite. What exactly does Rush month mean you ask? Kicking off our show on April 4th will be the first set from Rush's Time Machine tour. The middle of the April 11th show will feature Moving Pictures in full, and the April 18th show will end with the remaining songs from the Time Machine tour. Included in that last show will be an excellent audience recording of Neil's solo from the tour.
So tell your fellow Rush fans to come on out for these shows and discuss the tour and all things Rush during the show.
www.wpapu.com
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Please spread this announcement in any Rush forums and communities you may be a part of!
2011-03-30: To celebrate the renewal of Rush's Time Machine tour, and my own personal trip of 400 miles to see the Rush DVD filming in Cleveland, April will officially be Rush month at When Prog and Power Unite. What exactly does Rush month mean you ask? Kicking off our show on April 4th will be the first set from Rush's Time Machine tour. The middle of the April 11th show will feature Moving Pictures in full, and the April 18th show will end with the remaining songs from the Time Machine tour. Included in that last show will be an excellent audience recording of Neil's solo from the tour.
So tell your fellow Rush fans to come on out for these shows and discuss the tour and all things Rush during the show.
www.wpapu.com
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Please spread this announcement in any Rush forums and communities you may be a part of!
Has anyone been able to post this anywhere? If not can you post up some of the different forums and such so that I could go and post it?
And at least Alex said before hand nothing would change. If you thought that was dumb you could simply not buy tickets.
And at least Alex said before hand nothing would change. If you thought that was dumb you could simply not buy tickets.
True, but then again, Alex said they'd be playing "Jacob's Ladder" last year. >:( :censored
Alex is my all-time favorite musician, but his words about set lists always have to be taken with a grain of salt. :lol
Alex is my all-timefavorite musician, but his words about set lists always have to be taken with a grain of salt. :lolI'm not really in the mood to continue giving him the pass on this every single time!
For all we know, they may have rehearsed the song but one or two or three of them may have decided against it during rehearsals. They have admitted to rehearsing "The Camera Eye" before (sometime in the last few tours) but have said they didn't "feel it" and thus, was dropped from the setlists. This could be the case for "Jacob's Ladder" on the Time Machine Tour
Personally, I'd love to hear "Different Strings" over "Jacob's Ladder", especially since it has never been played live before. Infact, I'd like to see them do a tour with a set of unplayed songs including "Different Strings", "Madrigal", "Losing It", "Emotion Detector", "Second Nature" (acoustic, since Geddy said they thought about it), "Available Light" and many more from the last 4 albums.
As I've been saying for years, one of the acoustic sets they did should have been Madrigal and Different Strings.
I'd love to see "Nobody's Hero" return in any form, even though Geddy always struggled a bit with the chorus live. And the other bummer was that Alex could never play the solo before the second verse because he had to do the acoustic strumming (which cannot not be done there). That little solo is one of my favorite moments of the entire CP record. :coolio
Oh man...that seriously sucks.
My car broke down thirty minutes away from the venue last night. Got to spend $300 fixing my car in Thomasville and just got back to school. Didn't get to see Rush.You know what cheers me up when stuff like this happens to me?
If I hadn't already seen them on the Time Machine tour already I probably would have cried. But I'll cry now because I just spent $430 (ticket + car + gas) NOT to see Rush. :(
My car broke down thirty minutes away from the venue last night. Got to spend $300 fixing my car in Thomasville and just got back to school. Didn't get to see Rush.
If I hadn't already seen them on the Time Machine tour already I probably would have cried. But I'll cry now because I just spent $430 (ticket + car + gas) NOT to see Rush. :(
Not the Rush fans, of course, but I was pretty much in the middle of nowhere, and as everyone knows, you'll always get murdered if you hitchhike when your car breaks down.Or at least end up with a violated anus.
www.wpapu.com
2011-03-30: To celebrate the renewal of Rush's Time Machine tour, and my own personal trip of 400 miles to see the Rush DVD filming in Cleveland, April will officially be Rush month at When Prog and Power Unite. What exactly does Rush month mean you ask? Kicking off our show on April 4th will be the first set from Rush's Time Machine tour. The middle of the April 11th show will feature Moving Pictures in full, and the April 18th show will end with the remaining songs from the Time Machine tour. Included in that last show will be an excellent audience recording of Neil's solo from the tour.
So tell your fellow Rush fans to come on out for these shows and discuss the tour and all things Rush during the show.
My car broke down thirty minutes away from the venue last night. Got to spend $300 fixing my car in Thomasville and just got back to school. Didn't get to see Rush.
If I hadn't already seen them on the Time Machine tour already I probably would have cried. But I'll cry now because I just spent $430 (ticket + car + gas) NOT to see Rush. :(
I loved in the 80's when they played Marathon, they flooded the fans with white lights when the choir kicks in. Goosebump moments.
:facepalm: Amazon said the blu ray wasn't being released until May, and still says that. However, the DVD on there says April 5.
I wonder if I order the blu ray from them if I will get it now, or if they'll make me wait til May?
TempusVox, check your pm's! :p
ITT: TempusVox shows off in front of us yet again. :biggrin:
How much is the blu-ray at best buy?
I might wait a bit anyways until i get my tax return... probably shouldn't be spending money when I don't have much. :lol
Nick I can't believe you chose not to go to TWO shows
4 weeks exactly left for me. I'm going to start my Rush marathon listening in abt 2 weeks. Listening to every album like 5 times.
LOL4 weeks exactly left for me. I'm going to start my Rush marathon listening in abt 2 weeks. Listening to every album like 5 times.
Nugget.
Got my Snakes and Arrows 5.1 mix today. Probably my favorite album ever.
Wait, are you guys talking about a 5.1 mix of the CD, or the Snakes and Arrows Live concert vid?
Wow, I didn't know they released it in 5.1. I still do most of my music shopping in stores, not online, and never saw anything other than a regular CD version.
I thought Moving Pictures from "The Rush Remasters" series sounded pretty damned good, but I didn't have an older CD to compare it to. I only had my vinyl. So I'm thinking that it would only really make a difference if you're serious audiophile or Rushophile and have a system which can do it justice. But if that were the case, then you'd either have Blu-ray or DVD-A capability.
So the answer is to pick it up on Blu-ray now anyway, because someday you'll have an HD setup, but the price will never be this low again.
I might just go ahead and order the DVD one anyway so I can watch the "Vital Signs" video.
40 minutes of 5.1 PCM lossless analog bliss. Mmmmm... ♫♫♫♪
Geddy and Alex interviewed by Rolling Stone. Really.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/blogs/rolling-stone-video-blog/exclusive-video-rush-rock-madison-square-garden-20110412
Geddy and Alex interviewed by Rolling Stone. Really.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/blogs/rolling-stone-video-blog/exclusive-video-rush-rock-madison-square-garden-20110412
40 minutes of 5.1 PCM lossless analog bliss. Mmmmm... ♫♫♫♪
Wait....
wait....
Analog? Really?
40 minutes of 5.1 PCM lossless analog bliss. Mmmmm... ♫♫♫♪
Wait....
wait....
Analog? Really?
No, but technically it's as close as you're going to get in a digital medium. DTS HDMA and Dolby TrueHD are lossless compression codecs, but a PCM audio track is lossless and uncompressed as well. Until they figure out a way to actually put analog on a disc, PCM is it.
Also, I threw that out there just to see if anyone would catch it. Congrats! ;)
Last night was fucking incredible. By far, the best show I've ever witnessed.
Last night was fucking incredible. By far, the best show I've ever witnessed.
Last night was fucking incredible. By far, the best show I've ever witnessed.
I'm with you on Finding my Way. Also always loved Lakeside Park, my senior quote was from that song.
Last night was fucking incredible.
Um, sorry about that.
Alex absolutely blew me away. I was definitely looking forward to seeing Neil and Geddy more, but some of Alex's solos were the highlight of the show (especially La Villa, holy shit).Last night was fucking incredible. By far, the best show I've ever witnessed.
How'd you like Alex's tone for his rhythm and solo's? Plus the videos must have killed you seeing them for the first time.
I'm going to see Rush on 25 May at the O2 in London. For those of you over the pond, the O2 is that big Millenium Dome thing that James Bond falls down in The World is not Enough.Permanent Waves was actually a bummer this time. I don't like it entirely too much, but I absolutely love Hemispheres.
Point is, it's massive. It's twice the size of Wembley. And I'm right at the back. :tdwn
So while I'm looking forward to the show, I'm also starting to think I might have been better off seeing them at one of their other UK shows, Sheffield or Birmingham, maybe, where they're playing more stnadrad sized arenas.
How do people get tickets for the front rows, anyway? I've been to thousands of concerts and the only times I've ever been anywhere near the front are for general admission shows.
Anyway. have been listening to all the Rush albums in order in anticipation. 2112 is even better than I recalled, as was Permanant Waves. Hemispheres not so much.
Four hours until dvd filming... can't fucking wait!
Have fun Nick! (and anyone else who is going) If it's HALF as good as what we witnessed you are in for a real treat.
I could go on about how monumentally awesome the MSG show was and bore everyone to tears, but Ill just leave you with this steller Innerview with Neil:
https://955klos.com/Article.asp?id=2159690&spid=24575
How do people get tickets for the front rows, anyway? I've been to thousands of concerts and the only times I've ever been anywhere near the front are for general admission shows.
If they did it the same way more than once, it wasn't a screwup. This is how they play it now.
I've arrived home from my Cleveland adventures, will spend the night writing something up.
I currently make $10.56 an hour. Easter I will be making double time. This is awesome.
1. HemispheresPretty much this, but I still like Grace Under Pressure for some reason - so it'd get bumped to abt 12th.
2. A Farewell to Kings
3. Moving Pictures
4. 2112
5. Snakes & Arrows
6. Roll the Bones
7. Permanent Waves
8. Counterparts
9. Fly By Night
10. Caress of Steel
11. Rush
12. Presto
13. Hold Your Fire
14. Power Windows
15. Vapor Trails
16. Test For Echo
17. Grace Under Pressure
18. Signals
I don't care for the synth era much at all.
Though I do love them all (except Hemispheres and everything post RTB except Counterparts)
Got Cygnus X-1 on now...Fucking love it!!! :heart :metal Geddy's high screams give me chills every time.
Got Cygnus X-1 on now...Fucking love it!!! :heart :metal Geddy's high screams give me chills every time.
Easily my favorite Rush song of all time. :tup
Got Cygnus X-1 on now...Fucking love it!!! :heart :metal Geddy's high screams give me chills every time.
Easily my favorite Rush song of all time. :tup
SPINNING, WHIRLING, STILL DESCENDING LIKE A SPIRAL SEA UNENDING
I don't like Witch Hunt or Vital Signs. Moving Pictures would be my favorite Rush album if it was only 5 tracks long.
I don't like Witch Hunt or Vital Signs. Moving Pictures would be my favorite Rush album if it was only 5 tracks long.
I don't like Witch Hunt or Vital Signs. Moving Pictures would be my favorite Rush album if it was only 5 tracks long.
God fucking dammit Gadough.
I don't like Witch Hunt or Vital Signs. Moving Pictures would be my favorite Rush album if it was only 5 tracks long.
God fucking dammit Gadough.
I don't like Witch Hunt or Vital Signs. Moving Pictures would be my favorite Rush album if it was only 5 tracks long.
God fucking dammit Gadough.
You don't think The Camera Eye would be a great album closer?
I don't like Witch Hunt or Vital Signs. Moving Pictures would be my favorite Rush album if it was only 5 tracks long.
God fucking dammit Gadough.
You don't think The Camera Eye would be a great album closer?
Because that's what he said?
It's not so much that they're bad songs...they're not. They just don't sound like they belong on the album. They feel tacked on.
Controversial opinion time:
I don't like Limelight. And I don't think I ever did. And it's not because it's popular or played a lot, I just legitimately dislike it. The solo is ok, but I don't think it's as great as people make it out to be, Lifeson surely has better ones (Cygnus X-1, La Villa, etc etc)
*dawns the flame shield*
Controversial opinion time:
I don't like Limelight. And I don't think I ever did. And it's not because it's popular or played a lot, I just legitimately dislike it. The solo is ok, but I don't think it's as great as people make it out to be, Lifeson surely has better ones (Cygnus X-1, La Villa, etc etc)
*dawns the flame shield*
Controversial opinion time:
I don't like Limelight. And I don't think I ever did. And it's not because it's popular or played a lot, I just legitimately dislike it. The solo is ok, but I don't think it's as great as people make it out to be, Lifeson surely has better ones (Cygnus X-1, La Villa, etc etc)
*dawns the flame shield*
Limelight is one of my favorite Rush songs of all time. OF ALL TIME.
And to think I thought you were cool...
I'm thinking about extending my Rush concert DVD collection with Rush In Rio. Any thoughts about this one?
I already have Exit... Stage Left, Snakes And Arrows Live, and A Show Of Hands.
I'm thinking about extending my Rush concert DVD collection with Rush In Rio. Any thoughts about this one?
I already have Exit... Stage Left, Snakes And Arrows Live, and A Show Of Hands.
Okay. So I looked though almost all the pages of this thread, and I never saw The Fountain of Lamneth mentioned once.Not at all; I'd say it's easily among the best of their 70s material! (On a similar note, am I weird for preferring The Caress of Steel over 2112?)
Am I weird to really enjoy this song?
What's the best of the 90's albums? I'm thinking Counterparts.That or Roll the Bones.
I say that Vapor Trails is probably their best since GUP, though.
What's the best of the 90's albums? I'm thinking Counterparts.
Alex's expression makes that photo work :lolI also think Geddy's is appropriate. He's like sizing you up: "I'm not so sure about this guy."
I say that Vapor Trails is probably their best since GUP, though.I agree, if it weren't for the sheer epicness of Snakes & Arrows.
Snakes And Arrows, epic??? That album is probably the weakest album Rush has ever made. Besides a couple of good songs its mostly mid tempo filler.I say that Vapor Trails is probably their best since GUP, though.I agree, if it weren't for the sheer epicness of Snakes & Arrows.
I CANNOT WAIT. 31 HOURS LEFT TIL RUSH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! A MUST WATCH!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtJZesEWNzc&feature=player_embedded
A quick question: Has a live version of The Camera Eye ever been officially released? Can't find it on any of their concert DVDs or live albums. Maybe they haven't performed it that much since 1981.
Snakes And Arrows, epic??? That album is probably the weakest album Rush has ever made. Besides a couple of good songs its mostly mid tempo filler.
I love Vapor Trails! Its light years better then Snakes And Arrows, imo.
The sub-par song-writing on Vapor Trails is certainly forgivable given the circumstances, but there is NO excuse for how that album sounds. For the time and money a band like Rush put into that album it is absolutely mind-blowing that at the end of it all an album could come out that sounds that bad. There are very few instances were I will come straight out and unequivocally blame Rush for something but it's there record and the way Vapor Trails sounds is one of the worst mistakes in their entire career.
Got my MP blu-ray. Is the CD a new mix, and if so, how different is it from the last remaster?
And before anyone comes out and says "I don't see what's so bad about Vapor Trails", listen to what I made below and tell me what sticks out to you...Oh my God, I literally shuddered when I heard One little victory in there. We actually have the remixed version of that particular song, why didn't you put that in? :lol Still an incredible riff that kicks some serious ass, though. :metal
www.wpapu.com/sounds/rushgasm.mp3
I'd take Roll the Bones over Counterparts by a hair.
To each his own. I love Vapor Trails while I don't care for Snakes And Arrows.Snakes And Arrows, epic??? That album is probably the weakest album Rush has ever made. Besides a couple of good songs its mostly mid tempo filler.
I love Vapor Trails! Its light years better then Snakes And Arrows, imo.
No, VT is easily the weakest Rush album.
That being said, I'm perfectly OK with a band releasing ONE bad album considering the fact that they have like 17.
Also, they were going through a ton of shit around that time, hadn't played together in like five years, etc. Perfectly understandable why VT came out the way it did.
VT definitely sounds crappy overall, but some of the best songs benefit from the loudness, as it gives them more of an edginess. The remixed or whatever version of "Earthshine" that they released a few years back had a lot of the life sucked out of it. So, while VT has a handful of songs that are pretty pedestrian to the point where I don't care if I ever hear them again, there are a bunch of songs that I love/like a lot, and I can expect how they sound, warts and all.
Rush concert in 5 ½ hrs.. that means blasting Moving Pictures until I have to go.
You should've bought tickets man :-\Rush concert in 5 ½ hrs.. that means blasting Moving Pictures until I have to go.
Man I'm so jealous right now. Have fun!
You should've bought tickets man :-\Rush concert in 5 ½ hrs.. that means blasting Moving Pictures until I have to go.
Man I'm so jealous right now. Have fun!
There are a couple of songs on Vapor Trails that I can live without while in my opinion, about half of Snakes And Arrows is pretty much crap.
Songs I can do without would include...
"Faithless" "Bravest Face" "Good News First" "The Larger Bowl" "We Hold On" "Working Them Angels"
I just don't like S&A much. Weak songs.
You fixed my wagon.There are a couple of songs on Vapor Trails that I can live without while in my opinion, about half of Snakes And Arrows is pretty much crap.
Songs I can do without would include...
"Faithless" "Bravest Face" "Good News First" "The Larger Bowl" "We Hold On" "Working Them Angels"
I just don't like S&A much. Weak songs.
But... you're wrong
VT definitely sounds crappy overall, but some of the best songs benefit from the loudness, as it gives them more of an edginess. The remixed or whatever version of "Earthshine" that they released a few years back had a lot of the life sucked out of it. So, while VT has a handful of songs that are pretty pedestrian to the point where I don't care if I ever hear them again, there are a bunch of songs that I love/like a lot, and I can expect how they sound, warts and all.
I don't get the logic of "clipping gives a song punch". I don't think it does. At all. It just makes it hard for me to listen to, and even harder to blast because it sounds so horrible.
There are plenty of songs that have more balls than VT and they aren't victims of the loudness war.
VT definitely sounds crappy overall, but some of the best songs benefit from the loudness, as it gives them more of an edginess. The remixed or whatever version of "Earthshine" that they released a few years back had a lot of the life sucked out of it. So, while VT has a handful of songs that are pretty pedestrian to the point where I don't care if I ever hear them again, there are a bunch of songs that I love/like a lot, and I can expect how they sound, warts and all.
I don't get the logic of "clipping gives a song punch". I don't think it does. At all. It just makes it hard for me to listen to, and even harder to blast because it sounds so horrible.
There are plenty of songs that have more balls than VT and they aren't victims of the loudness war.
Good thing I didn't specifically say that "clipping gives a song punch" then, eh? ;)
Sounds awesome :hefdaddyYou shoulda been there. :-[
And then there's me who adores Vapor Trails (sound issues aside) and Snakes and Arrows just about equally....
Sounds awesome :hefdaddyYou shoulda been there. :-[
Of the four TFE songs that have never been played, "Totem" is the one I am surprised about. They were pretty high on it in pre-release interviews at the time, and I was shocked when it didn't make the set list on the TFE tour. And the album has all but been ignored since they got back together (except for "Driven" on the VT tour and the acoustic "Resist" on two tours), so the odds of it ever getting played are probably pretty slim.
Isn't Rockline still on?Yeah, it's still on. I catch it, very rarely, when I'm driving home from work late on Mondays.
I just listened to the awesomeness that is Test for Echo last night. There's still some great songs from that album that never got played live.
Seeing them next week!Yea i know, I'm dreaming aboot it too my friend
TOO EXCITED FOR WORDS!
I like Counterparts better, but I see them as a one-two punch
Rockline was great! Wasn't the host named Red Beard? That's what it sounded like, or maybe I'm thinking of another show.
Rockline was great! Wasn't the host named Red Beard? That's what it sounded like, or maybe I'm thinking of another show.
Rockline was/is Jim Coburn.
Red Beard is the guy behind the In The Studio Show.
Rockline is usually live, or at least it was.
In The Studio is/was recorded. (The more recent album anniversary shows use older canned quotes from previous shows -- at least that's the case with the Rush shows that I have).
Everyone would gather on the 24th of May
Sitting on the sand to watch the fireworks display
Always great to see Power windows at the top. :tupYou definitely wouldn't want to see my list then.
Post a photo - A few years ago, people who posted photos of themselves to the Internet seemed self centered. In the Facebook, era, though, an account page without a picture seems like the work of someone who didn't put much effort into it. It doesn't need to be a professional headshot. Just stand against a white wall in business attire (or, if you're a software engineer, a Rush t-shirt) and have someone take a cellphone photo of your face and shoulders.
Suddenly! A ranking appears!
1. Power Windows
2. Hemispheres
3. A Farewell to Kings
4. Counterparts
5. Signals
6. Permanent Waves
7. Snakes & Arrows
8. Grace Under Pressure
9. Caress of Steel
10. 2112
11. Moving Pictures
12. Test for Echo
13. Rush
14. Hold Your Fire
15. Roll the Bones
16. Presto
17. Fly By Night
18. Vapor Trails
:omg: :omg: :omg:
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/05/27/2663/Neil-Peart-to-appear-on-Late-Show-with-David-Letterman
surprised to see Test for Echo so low on some lists. I like that album. What is it that makes it worse than most of the other albums?
surprised to see Test for Echo so low on some lists. I like that album. What is it that makes it worse than most of the other albums?
I like Virtuality, very catchy. Never got all the hate. :metalThe music in Virtuality is fantastic, but the lyrics are terrible.
The title track, Driven, and Resist are the only good things about T4E.
The title track, Driven, and Resist are the only good things about T4E.Totem is a song I'd like to see them do live and I like Carve Away The Stone as well.
I would like to see them bring out an odd track or two from TFE on the next tour, as well as a couple unplayed tracks from VT. Those two albums got under-represented on their tours, particularly VT, so it'd be nice if they revisited those albums with deeper cuts.
I would like to see them bring out an odd track or two from TFE on the next tour, as well as a couple unplayed tracks from VT. Those two albums got under-represented on their tours, particularly VT, so it'd be nice if they revisited those albums with deeper cuts.
??? Test for Echo wasn't underrepresented on its tour. Seven songs got played from it, six of them regularly ("Time and Motion" was dropped very early on, thank God!). So, when you consider that six of the 11 songs were regularly played, that is the same percentage as Counterparts, and more than either Presto or Roll the Bones saw, on their respective tours.
I agree that VT was a bit underrepresented (only five of 13 played, with only four played per show - "Ghost Rider" and "Ceiling Unlimited" were rotated), but they have said that some of the songs were too meaty and buried in overdubs to pull off well live, and I am guessing they recognize how flawed some of the other songs are. I mean, does anyone ever want to hear "The Stars Look Down" live? ;) :lol
I would like to see them bring out an odd track or two from TFE on the next tour, as well as a couple unplayed tracks from VT. Those two albums got under-represented on their tours, particularly VT, so it'd be nice if they revisited those albums with deeper cuts.
??? Test for Echo wasn't underrepresented on its tour. Seven songs got played from it, six of them regularly ("Time and Motion" was dropped very early on, thank God!). So, when you consider that six of the 11 songs were regularly played, that is the same percentage as Counterparts, and more than either Presto or Roll the Bones saw, on their respective tours.
I agree that VT was a bit underrepresented (only five of 13 played, with only four played per show - "Ghost Rider" and "Ceiling Unlimited" were rotated), but they have said that some of the songs were too meaty and buried in overdubs to pull off well live, and I am guessing they recognize how flawed some of the other songs are. I mean, does anyone ever want to hear "The Stars Look Down" live? ;) :lol
Everyone would gather on the 24th of May
Sitting on the sand to watch the fireworks display
;D Love that song, can we hear it live ever again. What about Before and After has that ever been played live?
Posted by: kingshmegland
Check out this band, David Barrett Trio that was produced by Alex Lifeson and recorded in his studio!! It's unreal!!
Looks like we have a hard date for the new live DVD.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/05/27/2664/Rush-live-DVD-to-release-September-27th-on-Concord-Records
Love the little moments that always lingers in the mind when thinking about a show.
Also. we need Durg or Zydar to photoshop Geddy as Beeker! :lol
-Geddy's keys during "Marathon" barely existed. Thankfully this problem was fixed for "Subdivisions."
Love the little moments that always lingers in the mind when thinking about a show.
Also. we need Durg or Zydar to photoshop Geddy as Beeker! :lol
(https://i.imgur.com/0sSa5.jpg)
And make alex that chick with the guitar. Can't think of her name
Looks like the DVD/BR is set for a September 27th release and will be called "Time Machine".
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=159255&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blabbermouth+%28Blabbermouth.net%27s+Daily+Headlines%29
Caravan and BU2B are gonna be relased live before the album...cool.
Caravan and BU2B are gonna be relased live before the album...cool.
True, but it'd be a bigger shock had they not released them on the single last year. If they just toured two new songs without a prior studio-recording release, and then released a live version of them before their proper album release, that would be shocking.
Still, it's very interesting to think about! :tup
-Marc.
Moving Pictures cover made with Lego!!Haha, that's awesome!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/35385165@N05/5273670233/in/pool-545918@N21/
Moving Pictures cover made with Lego!!Haha, that's awesome!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/35385165@N05/5273670233/in/pool-545918@N21/
Haha! ;) Even in the Rush fan community it seems I'm one of the few who lists Presto as one of his favourites! :laugh:Moving Pictures cover made with Lego!!Haha, that's awesome!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/35385165@N05/5273670233/in/pool-545918@N21/
It is awesome. And even though I'm not a fan of your particular Rush song, when I approved your account I was very happy knowing we were getting another Rush fan. :D
Nick, what's so bad about Show Don't Tell?
If I could wave my magic wand, I'd ban you all. :pIf you can't move your wand, maybe you should have a doctor look at that.
Nick, what's so bad about Show Don't Tell?
I like SDT but Superconductor is a sub par song by Rush's standards.
Nick, I've got to say the remaster sounded better then the gold disks but the signals gold was worth every penny for the missing vocal line in The Weapon.
FYI, gold Roll the Bones can be pre-ordered on Amazon for $18 right now.
Anyone wanna tell me how a band with 2 full lenghth albums and an ep can make so many DVDs? By my count this will be DVD 14 so that's like 7 DVDs per album. How can people listen to the same 20 songs over and over? The band is complete filth with zero talent. Only reason they are popular is because of the 4, yes 4, 911 tribute / remembrance songs. Way to exploit a tragedy. Absolutely disgraceful
7 DVD's per album, WTF!? :rollin
Happy birthday to my favourite bass player. :laugh:
Moving Pictures cover made with Lego!!Haha, that's awesome!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/35385165@N05/5273670233/in/pool-545918@N21/
Moving Pictures cover made with Lego!!Haha, that's awesome!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/35385165@N05/5273670233/in/pool-545918@N21/
That's so good I nicked it!
I'd be shocked if this hasn't already been posted but this had my jaw dropping as an incredible display of Mario Paint expertise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpRGTocwd3E&feature=related
Somebody stop me from going into a full blown Rush orgy!
Why? There's no better orgy than that one!
Why? There's no better orgy than that one!
Um, does that mean staying at home and listening to at least half of their discography in one sitting?
Because I do that extremely regularly.
Why? There's no better orgy than that one!
Um, does that mean staying at home and listening to at least half of their discography in one sitting?
Because I do that extremely regularly.
If so then I recommend using the synth era for the refractory period so you can return rock-hard for Roll the Bones.
Who is Neal Peart? ???
Why? There's no better orgy than that one!
Um, does that mean staying at home and listening to at least half of their discography in one sitting?
Because I do that extremely regularly.
I work at a pool, and we usually have police officers patrol the area since we're located in a really bad part of the city.
So, a new PO came today and he looked JUST fucking like Peart. :lol And he was pretty smart too. At one point he was even hand drumming on the table. :lol
Just thought I would contribute that wonderful story to this thread.
I work at a pool, and we usually have police officers patrol the area since we're located in a really bad part of the city.
So, a new PO came today and he looked JUST fucking like Peart. :lol And he was pretty smart too. At one point he was even hand drumming on the table. :lol
Just thought I would contribute that wonderful story to this thread.
POOL STORY, BRO!
Walmart has Moving Pictures for 5 bucks. Should I get it?
Walmart has Moving Pictures for 5 bucks. Should I get it?
Walmart has Moving Pictures for 5 bucks. Should I get it?
Yes. Then steal something of equal value.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say you guys didn't like Walmart...
Buy it buy it buy it buy it buy it.
Then burn all your terrible symphony X, Slayer, and Krotchraut albums. :biggrin:
Buy it buy it buy it buy it buy it.
Then burn all your terrible symphony X, Slayer, and Krotchraut albums. :biggrin:
Looks like the DVD/BR is set for a September 27th release and will be called "Time Machine".
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=159255&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blabbermouth+%28Blabbermouth.net%27s+Daily+Headlines%29
I'd love for this to come out then, but I think it will likely be pushed back a bit.
It will be cool though to have this be the centerpiece of Rushashana on VH-Classic
Happy birthday Aleksandar Živojinović!
:tupHappy birthday Aleksandar Živojinović!
FTFY :tup
-Marc.
Rush nerds!(https://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2009/revenge-of-the-nerds_0.jpg)
Rush nerds!
Rush nerds!
I'm guilty as charged!
Rush signs with Roadrunner for next album!
I've come to the following conclusion:Love GUP, though they're both my favorites from the 80's, synth era of Rush.
Grace Under Pressure > Signals
Mainly because I like every song on Grace Under Pressure, while Signals has two songs I don't really care for (Chemistry and Countdown).
Kid Gloves is my favorite song on GUP.
They are close, but I probably slightly prefer P/G. If I compared the songs, they'd be about even (both have a handful of great songs, a few good songs, and two okay "by Rush standards" songs), but P/G simply sounds better. It has a very nice overall sound to it sonically, while Signals sounds slightly muffled, like they weren't sure how to mix it with the greater emphasis on keys, and P/G has that cold and wintery feeling to it that is just awesome.
They are close, but I probably slightly prefer P/G. If I compared the songs, they'd be about even (both have a handful of great songs, a few good songs, and two okay "by Rush standards" songs), but P/G simply sounds better. It has a very nice overall sound to it sonically, while Signals sounds slightly muffled, like they weren't sure how to mix it with the greater emphasis on keys, and P/G has that cold and wintery feeling to it that is just awesome.
Agree 100% with this. P/G has a beautiful darkness to it... lots of tension and a rawness that is rarely found in post-MP Rush. Though i think song quality is roughly equal on both, the sound on P/G is better...
Well Drew, since you asked for it...
Signals > Grace Under Pressure.
While Signals is strong all around, with Chemistry being one of the best tracks on the album, Grace Under Pressure has Kid Gloves and Red Lenses, and both are sub-par by Rush standards. Though both albums have two big favorites of mine, Subdivisions, and The Enemy Within.
Since Roll The Bones came out 20 years ago (but I'd already listened to Roll The Bones (gold disc) a few weeks back) I listened to a few Roll The Bones Radio Shows this weekend. (Up Close and Rockline) Nice trip in the wayback machine.
mmmmm... i love all those tracks. HYF i hold in very high regard also. Interestingly, it has also been the most accessible album for my female friends.
Does it make me a sissy, then, if Time Stand Still is one of my Top 5 Rush songs?
Does it make me a sissy, then, if Time Stand Still is one of my Top 5 Rush songs?
Nah - it's in 7/4, so you're saved from it being a sissy-song. Now if it was in 4/4, that's a different story.
However, "Superconductor" isn't saved by being in 7/4, sadly enough...
-Marc.
Does it make me a sissy, then, if Time Stand Still is one of my Top 5 Rush songs?
Nah - it's in 7/4, so you're saved from it being a sissy-song. Now if it was in 4/4, that's a different story.
However, "Superconductor" isn't saved by being in 7/4, sadly enough...
-Marc.
Does it make me a sissy, then, if Time Stand Still is one of my Top 5 Rush songs?
Nah - it's in 7/4, so you're saved from it being a sissy-song. Now if it was in 4/4, that's a different story.
However, "Superconductor" isn't saved by being in 7/4, sadly enough...
-Marc.
Most of Time Stand Still is in 4/4 :p
Does it make me a sissy, then, if Time Stand Still is one of my Top 5 Rush songs?
Nah - it's in 7/4, so you're saved from it being a sissy-song. Now if it was in 4/4, that's a different story.
However, "Superconductor" isn't saved by being in 7/4, sadly enough...
-Marc.
WATCH HIS EVERY MOVE!
... I like Superconductor :(
Random thought: Leave That Thing Alone is my favorite instrumental of all time, if only because it reminds me of the Stardust Speedway level from Sonic CD, and old Sonic games have my favorite video game music. That and it's just rockin' on its own anyway.
Counterparts is a great album. TSoL is the only weak spot.
Random thought: Leave That Thing Alone is my favorite instrumental of all time, if only because it reminds me of the Stardust Speedway level from Sonic CD, and old Sonic games have my favorite video game music. That and it's just rockin' on its own anyway.
I was thinking about starting a whole new thread to ask these questions, but I realized that would be pointless.
1. what are the best rush 'starter' albums?
currently I've really gotten into Moving Pictures and Permanent Waves, but I know that I'm missing out on a lot of the other not-so-popular stuff. Suggestions?
Also, 2. What are your favorite classic prog rock albums? Including the two rush albums I have, my other favorite is Yes's Fragile. As I am pretty new to the genre I am also looking for a lot more suggestions.
thanks
Nobody's Hero, Alien Shore, and Cold Fire are crap.Don't mean to revive a dead debate, but Nobody's Hero and Cold Fire are my favorites off of CP.
Cut to the Chase and Leave That Thing Alone are great, though. Why don't they play CTTC live?
Counterparts is perfect as is.
Nobody's Hero, Alien Shore, and Cold Fire are crap.
I don't get the problem with Stick it Out.
I was thinking about starting a whole new thread to ask these questions, but I realized that would be pointless.
1. what are the best rush 'starter' albums?
currently I've really gotten into Moving Pictures and Permanent Waves, but I know that I'm missing out on a lot of the other not-so-popular stuff. Suggestions?
Nobody's Hero, Alien Shore, and Cold Fire are crap.
I am all for trying the other end of the spectrum, but, for God's sake, do NOT go with Presto next. I know there is a small contingent of the fanbase that swears by it, but it is generally one of the least favorites by the fans AND by the band.
Um, there is no arguing that Presto is generally one of the fan bases least favorite Rush albums. And although the band has stated they love The Pass, they've been lukewarm on other aspects of the album in the band's biographies and such.
That's not true either. In the Contents Under Pressure book, Peart stated how they felt like the songs didn't live up to their potential, and Geddy said how the songs were interesting, but not great, and how they don't look at that album and think, "This is our best work." They even said that Roll the Bones had much stronger songs (as it was easy to compare the two since they had similar production, although RtB had a tad more oomph). I think the fact that songs from the album have gotten very little live play since they reunited in the early 00s says a lot; The Pass was played on the VT tour, the title track was played on the Time Machine tour, and that's it.
If I had a nickel for every time a musician called his newest album his best, I'd be sitting on a throne right now. :lol Musicians always think their newest album is either their best or one of their best. Hell, Alex Lifeson at one point thought Vapor Trails was Rush's best album. :eek :eek :eek
Also, Alex wasn't wild about the synth stuff at the time, but he has, by his own admission, come around to really liking a lot of that material.
And it is not like Stick It Out has been on the setlist tour after tour, like you said. It hadn't been played since 1997 until the Time Machine tour of the past year plus. Granted, it was still an odd choice, but it's not like it has been a live mainstay of any kind.
Nobody's Hero, Alien Shore, and Cold Fire are crap.
And yet all 3 of them seem to agree that Stick it Out should be on the setlist tour after tour (blah)...
I remember them talking years ago about how they each had one song (or was it two?) that they could put in the set list and the other two couldn't veto it. I assume they still do it, but I just haven't seen or heard them talk about it in a long time.Maybe I just made my own logical jump in concluding "Stick It Out" to be one such song.
I'm not a big Counterparts fan. It contains a few of the worst Rush songs ever. Cut to the Chase and Leave That Thing Alone are great, though. Why don't they play CTTC live?
I suspect he means that Power Windows was when they finally got it right, meaning the blending and balancing of guitars and keyboards together as lead instruments. Yes, they were still on later albums, but they were a bit too high and tinny on Hold Your Fire, and they started scaling them back on both Presto and Roll the Bones.
On the subject of live feel, if you saw them live on VT tour, how did the songs off of that turn out on stage?
I do not like the production on it, but the songs are good to great, and I imagine that they'd sound even better with just the trio, live, no overdubs, and no brickwall.
Tom Sawyer is too iconic and popular to not always play. And that is fine by me. I still enjoy the hell out of it every single time I see it. :metal
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and as a fan who has seen Rush 37 times
I don't know. Maybe, King? He has been a diehard fan as well.\
and as a fan who has seen Rush 37 times
Holy shit, Tick. Does anyone on DTF have your record beaten?
I don't know. Maybe, King? He has been a diehard fan as well.\
and as a fan who has seen Rush 37 times
Holy shit, Tick. Does anyone on DTF have your record beaten?
I still find it bizarre that all three guys are on record as absolutely loving The Pass, yet they rarely play it. Since reuniting, it was played on the VT tour and not a single time since. Seems strange for a song they all love so much.
Can't believe no one mentioned this.
Not only is today the birthday of lonestar and hefdaddy, but it's also 29 years to the day Signals was brought to us. I wasn't around then, but I bet there was much rejoicing.
Wait, I thought Alex was on record as saying he didn't like the heavy push towards keyboards... at the time. It's only more recently that he's come around.
No Bob, that came from Alex and Geddy. They wanted the keyboards more prominent. Alex has stated this many times in interviews. I like the fact that Rush always strives for something different but it is how people and even Alex at the time felt.
Well then we have some conflicting stories here.
What's going on with these keyboards?... it's not even a real instrument."
What's going on with these keyboards?... it's not even a real instrument."
I hope Mr. Zivojinovic said that in jest.
Okay then, not really conflicting, just really dependent on who you ask, and when you asked them. I can see how both Geddy and Alex would at first be into the idea of adding keyboards to their sound. Rush have always pushed for different directions, different musical ideas to explore. But I can also see how Alex would be less enthusiastic over time, finding himself fighting for space in ways he didn't have to before. And I never really thought about how Geddy might start feeling "trapped" by what he'd created. I've always admired how Rush tries to faithfully reproduce whatever they can in a live setting, especially how much they manage to do considering there are only three of them. But I can also see how that could be a problem. There are a few songs with so many layers and overdubs that you just can't do justice to the song properly, playing it live. The studio is a wonderful place for creating music, but in some ways it has to be treated almost as a separate medium. It almost becomes too easy to create things you just can't reproduce on stage.
Wow. :(
I will say that I like Rush's keyboard heavy period, but it was probably getting out of hand on HYF even though I enjoy that album.
Okay then, not really conflicting, just really dependent on who you ask, and when you asked them. I can see how both Geddy and Alex would at first be into the idea of adding keyboards to their sound. Rush have always pushed for different directions, different musical ideas to explore. But I can also see how Alex would be less enthusiastic over time, finding himself fighting for space in ways he didn't have to before. And I never really thought about how Geddy might start feeling "trapped" by what he'd created. I've always admired how Rush tries to faithfully reproduce whatever they can in a live setting, especially how much they manage to do considering there are only three of them. But I can also see how that could be a problem. There are a few songs with so many layers and overdubs that you just can't do justice to the song properly, playing it live. The studio is a wonderful place for creating music, but in some ways it has to be treated almost as a separate medium. It almost becomes too easy to create things you just can't reproduce on stage.
I had a couple of PM's asking me about this. Sent Ged a text asking if he wanted to contribute anything to this discussion. :)
Reply: "Good grief! We were trying new things, had great toys to play with, and sometimes I got carried away. Don't let them write "keyboardist" on my marker." :biggrin:
Then this: "Better they want to talk about the music and not the clothes. :-) "
I'll take Signals through HYF over Rush through 2112, going by average amount of greatness.This, sir, is madness.
I'd also take the Caress of Steel over 2112 and Hemispheres.
I'll take Signals through HYF over Rush through 2112, going by average amount of greatness.
I'd also take the Caress of Steel over 2112 and Hemispheres.
It is an acquired taste. It takes a long time to appreciate it, but once you do, you'll never look back...
Personally, Signals is close to being my favorite Rush album if only for the fact that it contains Subdivisions.
I'll take Signals through HYF over Rush through 2112, going by average amount of greatness.
I'd also take the Caress of Steel over 2112 and Hemispheres.
I always found P/G to be just as synthy, if not moreso, than Sigz.
I'll take Signals through HYF over Rush through 2112, going by average amount of greatness.Well that makes sense in fact I kinda agree. Nothing majorly controversial there-
I'd also take the Caress of Steel over 2112 and Hemispheres.WAT
I'll take Signals through HYF over Rush through 2112, going by average amount of greatness.
I'd also take the Caress of Steel over 2112 and Hemispheres.
Cup, your fail up to this point has been nothing compared to claiming Caress of Steel is better than Hemispheres.Yeah...
Well, what if I said that PW (the one with the hot chick on the cover) is my favorite prog album ever?
Well, what if I said that PW (the one with the hot chick on the cover) is my favorite prog album ever?
Well, what if I said that PW (the one with the hot chick on the cover) is my favorite prog album ever?
Then you still fail, because that title belongs to A Farewell to Kings.
A Farewell to Kings is my #1 album of all time and Hemispheres is my #2, can we simply agree that both are more amazing than bacon?
I had a couple of PM's asking me about this. Sent Ged a text asking if he wanted to contribute anything to this discussion. :)
Reply: "Good grief! We were trying new things, had great toys to play with, and sometimes I got carried away. Don't let them write "keyboardist" on my marker." :biggrin:
Then this: "Better they want to talk about the music and not the clothes. :-) "
:lol Ged has been saying that for year and that what I love about Rush. They are not afraid to try other style and they are not afraid of failing. they make music that they want to play. It's served them well all these years.
I've no problem with their synth-y stuff. Now obviously, I like some of it more than others. My favorites from that era are probably Marathon and Mission. I've yet to see Marathon live, but I have no doubt it would be one of the most awesome songs I'd ever see live. I especially love the key change where it sounds like the freakin' heavens open up. Amazing stuff.
I've no problem with their synth-y stuff. Now obviously, I like some of it more than others. My favorites from that era are probably Marathon and Mission. I've yet to see Marathon live, but I have no doubt it would be one of the most awesome songs I'd ever see live. I especially love the key change where it sounds like the freakin' heavens open up. Amazing stuff.
I've no problem with their synth-y stuff. Now obviously, I like some of it more than others. My favorites from that era are probably Marathon and Mission. I've yet to see Marathon live, but I have no doubt it would be one of the most awesome songs I'd ever see live. I especially love the key change where it sounds like the freakin' heavens open up. Amazing stuff.
Mission's OK... Marathon is great. Maybe the best Rush chorus ever?
I still can't believe that Geddy was polling right up there with Emerson, Wakeman and Downes (I need to dig some of the mags that have the polls) back then.
I've no problem with their synth-y stuff. Now obviously, I like some of it more than others. My favorites from that era are probably Marathon and Mission. I've yet to see Marathon live, but I have no doubt it would be one of the most awesome songs I'd ever see live. I especially love the key change where it sounds like the freakin' heavens open up. Amazing stuff.
Mission's OK... Marathon is great. Maybe the best Rush chorus ever?
It sure got my vote :hefdaddy
In the 70's, when Elton John was super hot and before it occurred to anyone to separate "Piano" from "Keyboards" in the polls, Elton John gave Emerson and Wakeman a run for their money as best "Keyboard Player". Hey, I love Elton John, don't get me wrong, but I think him actually winning some of those polls is what prompted the split.
No. This is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsn4Gy1SLAk
In the 70's, when Elton John was super hot and before it occurred to anyone to separate "Piano" from "Keyboards" in the polls, Elton John gave Emerson and Wakeman a run for their money as best "Keyboard Player". Hey, I love Elton John, don't get me wrong, but I think him actually winning some of those polls is what prompted the split.
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road is amazing. If you gave it modern production gloss, I bet today's kids would eat it up.
As for that press release, I'm still confused as to the distinction between "TIME MACHINE 2011: LIVE IN CLEVELAND" and "MOVING PICTURES: LIVE 2011". Time Machine includes Moving Pictures in its entirety, so what would the separate release "Moving Pictures: Live 2011" be? Just the album Moving Pictures and nothing else? Why not spring for the whole concert?
Moving Pictures Live 2011 is a digital and vinyl only release, and I think it's purpose is just for those who want a vinyl version of their favorite album performed live, and the digital release is just for fun, probably because they can.
Ironically, the split between the two CDs of the Cleveland show is right where the vinyl-sides of MP split!
Moving Pictures Live 2011 is a digital and vinyl only release, and I think it's purpose is just for those who want a vinyl version of their favorite album performed live, and the digital release is just for fun, probably because they can.
Got it. I thought that's what it meant, but it still seemed rather oddly worded.Ironically, the split between the two CDs of the Cleveland show is right where the vinyl-sides of MP split!
Yeah, I saw that too. I actually find that rather unfortunate, as there might be times when I'd want to start at "Tom Sawyer" and let the live version of Moving Pictures play through. But that cannot happen if you have to switch discs. Maybe that's what got them thinking about releasing it separately, and ultimately led to the MP: LIVE 2011 release.
Power Windows was a great tour. I got to see The Steve Morse Band and Marillion open up for Rush plus I met Geddy on that tour and shook his hand. I was so star struck I forgot about him signing my ticket. DOH!!
Power Windows... brought to you by the letter "M"
I still can't believe that Geddy was polling right up there with Emerson, Wakeman and Downes (I need to dig some of the mags that have the polls) back then.
It was the times. Prog was waning. Neither Emerson nor Wakeman had done anything of note in a while (ELP was dead, Yes was on hiatus again), and Downes' claim to fame was Asia, basically a pop band with some prog roots but nothing really evident in their sound. Meanwhile, Rush was hot, still had one foot firmly in prog, and those Oberheims did sound sweet. Who's the keyboard player for Rush? Geddy Lee? Yay, he's my favorite keyboard player!
Ironically, the split between the two CDs of the Cleveland show is right where the vinyl-sides of MP split!
-Marc.
dbrroks22:
On the topic of ASOH, I have been listening to a bootleg from 1988 from Birmingham, AL. It is awesome - the band is just so tight. And Neil has that energy that i mentioned a few pages back in this thread. Marathon, Lock and Key, Mission... really an awesome show from an awesome era.
A work associate gave me this 1988 bootleg some years ago. I swear it sounds better than some recorded albums. I don't know how the boot came out so perfect. They guy told me that it was a pretty famous bootleg.
Seeing Marathon live with all those amazing effects was a fantastic experience.
But before we go any further let's let Will go into detail about it. ;)
He burned a copy for me - it just says Live in Birmingham, 1988
Though I guess we can always make a little fun of Neil for:
"Net boy,
Net girl..."
Though I guess we can always make a little fun of Neil for:
"Net boy,
Net girl..."
Yeah, that was pretty horrible, wasn't it? :lol
Man, as much as i love DT, it's really hard to listen to their lyrics after listening to Rush...
"When the dust has cleared
And victory denied
A summit too lofty
River a little too wide
If we keep our pride
Though paradise is lost
We will pay the price,
But we will not count the cost "
"Some are born to move the world
To live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about
The things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die
Than never to have known it
For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee..."
:hat
"I clutch the wire fence until my fingers bleedGod, I love that song.
A wound that will not heal
A heart that cannot feel
Hoping that the horror will recede
Hoping that tomorrow, we'll all be free"
DT isn't known for their stellar lyrics though lol
"Some are born to move the world
To live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about
The things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die
Than never to have known it
For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee..."
:hat
"Some are born to move the world
To live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about
The things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die
Than never to have known it
For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee..."
Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums
Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums and the top 15 songs! I'm just getting into it, and I like it all. Trying to find the songs that are considered the best. Thanks
Aside from the first 2 songs and the instrumental, it does nothing for me. Nothing."Ghost Of a Chance" does nothing for you?
Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums and the top 15 songs! I'm just getting into it, and I like it all. Trying to find the songs that are considered the best. Thanks
Roll the Bones is tired adult contemporary to me.No, and maybe.
Vapor Trails, if not as good as much of early Rush, is still a fun and rocking attempt at Alt-rock, and has some real killers.
I'll just list my favorite song from each album.
Working Man (I haven't heard the rest of the album, but I don't care to)
Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums and the top 15 songs! I'm just getting into it, and I like it all. Trying to find the songs that are considered the best. Thanks
Farewell to Kings
Moving Pictures
Counterparts
Signals
Presto
Actually, what I'd REALLY recommend is getting Rush Chronicles or a few Retrospective discs and check out the various Rush "eras" - there are essentially four of them and they are quite different at first listen. In other words, don't listen to 2112 and assume you won't like other stuff because Test for Echo or Hold Your Fire (for example) are much more accessible in some ways. Your affinity for keyboards vs. guitar has a lot to do with how you should first approach Rush as well. If I'd heard Signals or Power Windows first, I would have never listened to anything else by them. Luckily as a metalhead, I discovered Counterparts first and was able to work my way backwards toward the more proggy and keyboard heavy stuff and appreciate their development as I went.
Well. Thanks for all the advice. I'm currently listening to A Farewell to Kings and Hold your fire. I really like Force Ten, although that doesn't seem to be too popular as none of you listed that particular song.
No Rush forum worth its salt thinks any album after Moving Pictures is any good. C'mon now.Yeah, once they added all dem keyboards, shit just got gay.
"The Anal-log Kid."No Rush forum worth its salt thinks any album after Moving Pictures is any good. C'mon now.Yeah, once they added all dem keyboards, shit just got gay.
:lol"The Anal-log Kid."No Rush forum worth its salt thinks any album after Moving Pictures is any good. C'mon now.Yeah, once they added all dem keyboards, shit just got gay.
I can tell where this is going...so I'll go first.
1. Hemispheres
2. Permanent Waves
3. Power Windows
4. Moving Pictures
5. Test For Echo
6. Signals
7. A Farewell to Kings
8. Snakes and Arrows
9. Grace Under Pressure
10. Rush
11. Caress Of Steel
12. Fly By Night
13. 2112
14. Presto
15. Counterparts
16. Hold Your Fire
17. Vapor Trails
18. Roll the Bones
If you're wondering why I put 2112 so low, it's because side 1 is brilliant, and side 2 is just so-so...doesn't do much for me. I think the album as a whole is over-rated.
I can tell where this is going...so I'll go first.
1. Hemispheres
2. Permanent Waves
3. Power Windows
4. Moving Pictures
5. Test For Echo
6. Signals
7. A Farewell to Kings
8. Snakes and Arrows
9. Grace Under Pressure
10. Rush
11. Caress Of Steel
12. Fly By Night
13. 2112
14. Presto
15. Counterparts
16. Hold Your Fire
17. Vapor Trails
18. Roll the Bones
If you're wondering why I put 2112 so low, it's because side 1 is brilliant, and side 2 is just so-so...doesn't do much for me. I think the album as a whole is over-rated.
Test For Echo all the way up at number 5 is much more of a WTF, especially considering you have all of the other albums released in that time span at or near the bottom. To each their own...;) :biggrin:
Virtuality is great, I love the riff and the chorus is very catchy. Yeah, the lyrics sound incredibly dated, but did any of you guys hate them back when the track came out?
power windows is far too low
Eh, they're okay, Manhattan Project being the better one. Middletown Dreams isn't very memorable to me.
MD is my favorite off of Power Windows.
My least is Grand Designs.
I might get shit for this, but Mystic Rhythms is my least favorite on the album.
I might get shit for this, but Mystic Rhythms is my least favorite on the album.
Same
but that's like saying it's 9.7/10 instead of 10/10
Big Money is my least favorite.
Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums and the top 15 songs! I'm just getting into it, and I like it all. Trying to find the songs that are considered the best. Thanks
You're probably going to get a different answer from everyone here. Start with Moving Pictures, and then Permanent Waves. Most people will agree on those. Then, if you like the more "raw" and hard rock side of Rush, move backward in time to 2112. If you like the synthesizers, move forward to Signals. Then you can fill in the rest as your budget allows.
Big Money is my least favorite.Mine too.
10. Second NatureGreat songs. :'(
12. The Stars Look Down
14. Madrigal
16. War Paint
I'm bummed that so many people think Circumstances is the worst tune on Hemispheres! That's one of my favorite Rush tunes ever. I get it though, it's pretty much impossible to name a "worst" tune on that album. Gun to my head though I'd probablly go with The Trees, because like I said I love Circumstances and there's no way you could go with the title track or La Villa.
I remember getting Power Windows a day early. I had an in with a record shop. I spun that album a thousand times. I don't have a record player anymore I wish I did still.
...I don't think it sounds as good as the original release of the CD.
It's already too long
It's already too long
Hehe
For me, the most irritating thing isn't even how much they've pushed back the release; it's how long we've gone at this point without any kind of update regarding the album. I mean, it was originally supposed to come out in late 2010/early 2011, and now here we are in late 2011 with no end in sight.
I know they decided to do a bunch of extra touring, and it's great that the tour went so well (I'd probably be more understanding if they'd had a Halifax tour date), but this is getting a bit silly.
Kev Schmev (and anyone else who cares), this is for you. (You can't hang this on Alex -- this time.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bFKzmR999M
I'd be interested to know if the band either oversaw or signed off on these mixes. It's possible that Rich Chycki did them a few years back (when Vapor Trails was rumored to be done) and they've been sitting in the can.
I think their 5.1 album choices lay in their singles:
FBN - "Fly By Night"
AFTK - "Closer To The Heart"
SIG - "New World Man"
All three are pretty standard classic rock station radio favorites, and Moving Pictures already got re-released in 5.1 last year.
I will probably wait for these to go on discount as well... If their original going-price is pretty cheap then I might go for it, or if the packaging is really nice, but otherwise, this is pretty much a cash-grab from Mercury, and doesn't entice me since I do not have a 5.1 system to play the new mixes.
-Marc.
I'm bummed that so many people think Circumstances is the worst tune on Hemispheres! That's one of my favorite Rush tunes ever. I get it though, it's pretty much impossible to name a "worst" tune on that album. Gun to my head though I'd probablly go with The Trees, because like I said I love Circumstances and there's no way you could go with the title track or La Villa.
THIS. I had such a tough time. It almost felt like sacrilege choosing anything from that album. It's just 4 10/10 songs period. In the end, it was a coin toss between The Trees and Circumstances for reasons you mentioned.
I'm bummed that so many people think Circumstances is the worst tune on Hemispheres! That's one of my favorite Rush tunes ever. I get it though, it's pretty much impossible to name a "worst" tune on that album. Gun to my head though I'd probablly go with The Trees, because like I said I love Circumstances and there's no way you could go with the title track or La Villa.
THIS. I had such a tough time. It almost felt like sacrilege choosing anything from that album. It's just 4 10/10 songs period. In the end, it was a coin toss between The Trees and Circumstances for reasons you mentioned.
I'd go with the title track. In 30 years it's never done anything for me. Love "side two" though.
Part 1 of Cygnus X-1 is so much better than part 2. Everything going on during the "Spinning, whirling, Still descending, Like a spiral sea, UNENDING" part is so amazing.
Anyone seeing Rush on the big screen in less than 24 hours?
I'm psyching myself up (not that I really need to) by watching Neils's new DVD.
My Signals cassette tape won't play Subdivisions.... :(
I'm hoping they aim for an early May release, to keep with tradition:
Vapor Trails - Released: May 14, 2002
Snakes & Arrows - Released: May 1, 2007
Clockwork Angels - To Be Released... May 1st, 8th or 15th, 2012?
I think either of those dates work, but it's funny that their last three albums would all be 5 years apart from each other. (Well worth the wait, IMO)
Either way, I cannot wait for this! I hope they put 12 songs on the album to match the idea of a clock-face and use each of the symbols/characters on the "Caravan" single cover as images for each of the 12 songs, ya know, just to complete the "concept" of the album as Neil was directing it towards.
-Marc.
Maybe it's because of oversaturation since the band has released so many live DVDs in the last decade, or maybe I am just distracted by all of the great music that has come out in 2011, but my excitement level for this forthcoming release isn't very high. Of course I say that, but the minute I buy it and start watching it, that will change really fast. :lol
I think my Presto insert is like that as well. :lol
I thought about doing that. Get a couple of those binders with squares to hold the CD and the insert, four to a "page", and keep my entire collection on a regular bookshelf. Never got around to it. Now, it doesn't seem like it'd be worth the time, since I never pull the CDs out anymore anyway.
I listened to the CD samples on Amazon, and noticed how bizarre Geddy sounds. Caravan sounds like one of the worst, strangely. Unfortunately, age must have caught up with him. :'(
Or how about some "Everyday Glory?"
Or how about some "Everyday Glory?"
YES PLEASE
Fucking love that song.
Rush: Time Machine Live was on TV the other day (Palladia, the MTv HD music channel) so I recorded it. Unfortunately, my DVR is dying, so I only got the first 10 minutes or so. I had happened to catch the very end the other night, which was some kind of nutty time-warped version of them called Rash in a German sausage restaurant. That's okay; these guys always have crazy stuff going on throughout the videos. But when I watched the first 10 minutes, it of course all made sense, and I thought it was hilarious. Then the actual concert started, then my DVR fucked up, and that's all I saw.
That's okay, I was going to get the Blu-ray anyway. My buddies from home went to this concert, said it was awesome. My one friend even took his 18-year-old daughter to it, her first Rush concert. I can't imagine how cool it would've been growing up with parents who'd take me to rock concerts.
My son is 13 and he's seen Rush 6 times. (Saw his first one at 4)
Rush in Rio is easily the best of the four. The vibe from that Brazil crowd cannot be topped, and the documentary is great.
Rush in Rio is easily the best of the four. The vibe from that Brazil crowd cannot be topped, and the documentary is great.I remember watching it for the first time and being blown away by seeing the crowd singing along to YYZ. I've never seen anything like it. :metal
Anyone bite on those Sector boxes?
https://www.rush.com/sectors/
Here's the most recent Geddy interview on record:
https://www.billboard.com/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story#/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story
Here's the most recent Geddy interview on record:
https://www.billboard.com/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story#/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story
Here's the most recent Geddy interview on record:
https://www.billboard.com/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story#/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story
Great. Now a percentage of the online fanbase is getting all pissy when they don't play all of Hemispheres live "since Geddy said they might do it!" :lol
Here's the most recent Geddy interview on record:
https://www.billboard.com/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story#/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story
Great. Now a percentage of the online fanbase is getting all pissy when they don't play all of Hemispheres live "since Geddy said they might do it!" :lol
You laugh, but the goal is for them to do each album over the next several tours. Some they plan to combine and do two albums on the same tour. :metal
Now I've said too much; but now you know.
THEY MUST PLAY ALL OF POWER WINDOWS OR PERISH
I love when people who claim to be "huge Rush fans" mispronounce Peart.
Where do those names come from? I've seen Lerxst thrown around before but I'm not sure what they're referencing.
Vapor Trail (the song) and Cut to the Chase would be great.Ive always wondered WHY the hell CTTC was never played live. That is such a great tune and would be awesome live
Where do those names come from? I've seen Lerxst thrown around before but I'm not sure what they're referencing.
My AFTK vinyl refers to them by Lerxst, Dirk, and Pratt in the artist acknowledgements section. Don't know about earlier ablums.
The thing I've noticed in the liner notes has been (for example) "Brought to you by the letter D" (from Presto). I think they do that in other albums as well.
What moved you to perform "Moving Pictures" in its entirety on the Time Machine tour?
We thought that was the perfect time, and the perfect album to do that with. Because I guess it would be considered our quintessential album, and it was the 30th anniversary of that album being released. It also gave us the opportunity to play an 11-minute song on that album called "The Camera Eye," which we had never really embraced as a live song.
Would you consider doing that with any other classic Rush album?
I certainly would. We really enjoyed that whole experience. We played for three hours -- you can tuck a 45-minute album in there and still play lots of new things and lots of other things. If we were really out of our minds, we would attempt something like [1978's] "Hemispheres." If Rush has a cult following, within that cult following there's a following for "Hemispheres" [laughs]. I'm not sure we're up for that one, but I could see us doing "2112."
What can we expect from the next album, "Clockwork Angels?"
The first two [single] releases from this album, "Caravan" and "Brought Up to Believe," are a great indication of where this album's going, although there's much more variety than just what those two songs offer. When I look back at [2007 album] "Snakes and Arrows," as happy as we were with that record, in retrospect I feel we kind of overdid it with overdubs. We'd like to simplify that, just in terms of making sure the guitar, bass and drum sounds are big and loud and clear, and any time we are going to add an overdub, to make sure that it definitely is adding and not subtracting.
You can read the full interview by clicking this link (https://www.billboard.com/#/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story).
I figured you Rush geeks like me would like to see my tour book collection.
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/IMG_7116.jpg)
The January issue of Guitar World includes a new interview with Alex Lifeson where he discusses Clockwork Angels. Here's a portion of the article, thanks to RushIsABand for the headsup!
... Alex Lifeson stops short of calling Rush's upcoming Clockwork Angels a concept record, but he does admit that a theme runs through most the songs. "We have Caravan and BU2B; both of which we released already and played on the Time Machine tour," he says, referring to the group's extensive 2010-2011 outing. "Those two, along with three other songs, form a suite. The story of Clockwork Angels is in those five tracks."
Longtime Rush fans, who grew up on such multi-song narratives as 2112 and Hemispheres, will no doubt applaud the group's return to its prog-rock roots. They'll also be thrilled to learn that the band isn't paying mind to the length of its compostitions. "We're definitely stretching out," Lifeson says. "Most of the songs are over six minutes. We're having fun with them, seeing where they want to go."
The guitarist estimates that Rush has eight songs finished. One track, however, is putting up a fight. "We wrote it, scrapped it, then rewrote it and shelved it again," Lifeson says, laughing. "Right now, we're still considering it. Something's there that we don't want to lose."
The band is working once again with prodcucer Nick Raskulinecz, who in addition to helming albums for the Foo Fighters, Alice in Chains and Evanesence, oversaw Rush's 2007 release, Snakes & Arrows. "Nick is fantastic," Lifeson says. "He's very enthusiastic, has great ideas, gets incredible sounds, and he's so adaptable to our twists and turns."
That includes a more stripped-down, instrumental approach. "The last few records have been quite produced, with many layers of guitars and vocals," he says. "This time, we'd like to keep things simple and direct.
"We'll see if that sticks," he adds after a moment's though. "I might listen to the finished record and go, 'Needs more guitar!'..."
Even better news Marc.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/12/20/2945/Rush-wraps-up-Clockwork-Angels-recording
:caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine:
I want this album right nowwwwww!!!
Even better news Marc.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/12/20/2945/Rush-wraps-up-Clockwork-Angels-recording
:metal AWESOME...I hope they have it released sometime before May. March would be good, considering my birthday is that month!
-Marc.
Happy 21/12 people! :metal
Well I don't agree with how many new songs I'd like to see them play. Spreading throughout the set is something we agree on.
Call me a party pooper, but unless the new album is a modern day Rush masterpiece that is accepted as such by most of the fanbase, casual fans included, I say, keep the number of songs from it down to no more than four or five. Bottom line is, too many new songs don't go over well with their crowds nowadays. As much as I like S&A, doing five songs in a row from it at the start of the 2nd set on both legs was a killjoy at both shows I went to (and I read it was similar at many other shows as well); the crowd was getting restless for something familiar by the 4th song.
How would y'all feel should CA turn out to have the synths back in full force?As long as the songs don't suck, I would be fine, but I'd hope they wouldn't overdo it like on Hold Your Fire or Power Windows.
Call me a party pooper, but unless the new album is a modern day Rush masterpiece that is accepted as such by most of the fanbase, casual fans included, I say, keep the number of songs from it down to no more than four or five. Bottom line is, too many new songs don't go over well with their crowds nowadays. As much as I like S&A, doing five songs in a row from it at the start of the 2nd set on both legs was a killjoy at both shows I went to (and I read it was similar at many other shows as well); the crowd was getting restless for something familiar by the 4th song.
When I saw Rush the first time it was my first time hearing a lot of Rush songs, whether they were familiar or not. I quite liked all the new songs they played and made me more and more convinced that they weren't a classic prog act just using new music as an excuse to tour. If the rest of the album lives up to Caravan and BU2B's level of quality I would have no problem with them playing the whole thing. Plus, all the S&A songs they played on that tour were fantastic.
How would y'all feel should CA turn out to have the synths back in full force?
I mean since I know those songs will show up on a future LP, it wouldn't feel right.
On another note. Superconductor is awesome.
Superconductor LIKE MOST OF PRESTO is underrated.
Superconductor LIKE MOST OF PRESTO is underrated.
Superconductor is naturally overplayed as a single and is certainly not underrated. There are a few underrated tracks on the album for sure, but Superconductor is not one of them.
I finally have all 19 studio albums on my iPod (including Feedback, because it counts dammit). I want to attempt a marathon where I listen to all of them in order without stopping.
Take Off with Bob and Doug McKenzie. :biggrin:
Take Off with Bob and Doug McKenzie. :biggrin:
Well if you're going to go that far, might as well put Alex Lifeson's solo album, Victor, in there between Counterparts and Test For Echo, and put Geddy Lee's solo album, My Favorite Headache, between Test For Echo and Vapor Trails.
Then you might as well get the Buddy Rich tributes that Neil has done, as well has the tracks he drummed on for Vertical Horizon a few years back.
...could go on and on and on :rollin
-Marc.
Call me a party pooper, but unless the new album is a modern day Rush masterpiece that is accepted as such by most of the fanbase, casual fans included, I say, keep the number of songs from it down to no more than four or five. Bottom line is, too many new songs don't go over well with their crowds nowadays. As much as I like S&A, doing five songs in a row from it at the start of the 2nd set on both legs was a killjoy at both shows I went to (and I read it was similar at many other shows as well); the crowd was getting restless for something familiar by the 4th song.
When I saw Rush the first time it was my first time hearing a lot of Rush songs, whether they were familiar or not. I quite liked all the new songs they played and made me more and more convinced that they weren't a classic prog act just using new music as an excuse to tour. If the rest of the album lives up to Caravan and BU2B's level of quality I would have no problem with them playing the whole thing. Plus, all the S&A songs they played on that tour were fantastic.
I'm thinking about getting the Time Machine DVD but I've watched a few clips on YouTube and heard some songs from the live CD - was there something wrong with Geddy's voice on that tour? It has probably been discussed before in this thread, but something about his voice sounds iffy when I listen to the clips.
I want to get this DVD for the entire Moving Pictures live (and finally The Camera Eye!) though.
Heading into the holidays last weekend, Rush moved one step closer to wrapping up their long awaited ‘Clockwork Angels’ album with engineer Richard Chycki, tweeting this past Tuesday (Dec. 20) that initial tracking had been completed.
The members of Rush spent the past two months recording in Toronto at Revolution Sound with Chycki and producer Nick Raskulinecz. Geddy Lee has said that the first two songs from the album, ‘Caravan’ and ‘BU2B’ are a “great indication of where this album’s going,” but he also expressed that the album will have “much more variety.”
Preparing for their first album in five years, the band looked back to where they left off with 2007’s ‘Snakes and Arrows,’ and Lee says that while they were happy with the album, he felt like “we kind of overdid it with overdubs.”
This time around, they’re working to “simplify” the process to focus on making the guitar, bass and drum sounds “big, loud and clear.” Lee cautions that if they do employ overdubs, they want to be careful to make sure that it “definitely is adding and not subtracting” from the impact of the final product.
Guitarist Alex Lifeson said in an interview with Planet Rock that the band went into the sessions with five songs written, with plans to write five to six additional songs. While he says that things got off to a slow start, all of the necessary songs for the project had been written by the end of the first month of recording.
It appears that ‘Clockwork Angels’ will find the band stretching out, with most of the songs clocking in at six minutes, with three or four of those songs running over seven minutes.
Rush will head back into the studio in early 2012 to mix the project and according to Lifeson, they could be back on the road to promote the new album as soon as May or June.
I'm thinking about getting the Time Machine DVD but I've watched a few clips on YouTube and heard some songs from the live CD - was there something wrong with Geddy's voice on that tour? It has probably been discussed before in this thread, but something about his voice sounds iffy when I listen to the clips.
I want to get this DVD for the entire Moving Pictures live (and finally The Camera Eye!) though.
I definitely have to agree with the over saturation of live releases.
Rush in Rio is what originally got me into the band and I watched it constantly, so when R30 came out, I absolutely had to have it, but at the end of the day, I really didn't watch it that much. Maybe only once since its release. So by the time Snakes and Arrows live came out I realized that I didn't really need it or honestly really want it either. And I feel the same way about live in Cleavland, pretty much indifferent.
how much you guys wanna bet that this album actually comes out sometime in 2013
I'm not trying to jinx it; I'm just saying. I don't have much faith in them to actually get it out this year. I'm not holding my breath.
how much you guys wanna bet that this album actually comes out sometime in 2013
I'm not trying to jinx it; I'm just saying. I don't have much faith in them to actually get it out this year. I'm not holding my breath.
It will be out by September at the very latest.
That's what's so freaking bizarre. What other band releases a single almost 2 years before releasing the album? That's insane.
God help us if they decide to re-work those songs. For one thing, fans are used to the way they are after listening to them for so long. Also, changing those songs would mean we would have to wait at least another 6 months.
I apologize for my cynicism. I just think it's silly how so many bands are getting in the habit of delaying releases nowadays. It's getting tiresome.
I'm thinking about getting the Time Machine DVD but I've watched a few clips on YouTube and heard some songs from the live CD - was there something wrong with Geddy's voice on that tour? It has probably been discussed before in this thread, but something about his voice sounds iffy when I listen to the clips.
I want to get this DVD for the entire Moving Pictures live (and finally The Camera Eye!) though.
He had a bad cold that night.
Unfortunate? Yes. But the show must go on and it happened to be that this one had long planned to be recorded.
how much you guys wanna bet that this album actually comes out sometime in 2013
I'm not trying to jinx it; I'm just saying. I don't have much faith in them to actually get it out this year. I'm not holding my breath.
It will be out by September at the very latest.
Not sure if serious...
...On a serious note, when do you think we'll get any samples of the material, ya know, other than "Caravan" and "BU2B"? I don't think I've ever anticipated an album more than this, and I think releasing the single back in 2010 definitely got a lot of fans appetites whetted.
-Marc.
There's a rumor floating around that the tour will start in September.
If true, this will give me more time to save money...because tickets will be more this year. It also likely means indoor shows.
My wife, who is not a prog fan or even a Rush fan, watched part of it with me, and she also commented on the cymbals. She thought his whole kit looked pretty sweet. And she's right.
^^^^
I legit lol'd
Please like my Facebook Rush page....
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-National-Midnight-Starman/260338560689841
Thank you! :tick2:
I have to decide if i want to pony up the $150/ticket to see 60-70% of the same setlist that they've played for the past decade. If they played all new songs - B-sides and whatnot - i'd pay $500 for a ticket. But to see Tom Sawyer, Spirit of Radio, 2112/Temples, etc etc. one more time... meh.
The problem with playing Turn the Page now is that Geddy has been using that really aggressive bass tone for years now (even live on the songs that didn't originally have it), and I am not sure that would sound good on Turn the Page, which is driven by that smooth bass line. In short, Geddy doesn't come close to using the bass tone that is needed to do Turn the Page real justice anymore.
I think no one in their right mind would object to that. I'd love it!
GUP Geddy, reunion Alex, and mid-70s (2112?) Neil?
I'll be sure to play 2112 today :metal
(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/428322_298311956892501_260338560689841_833180_83120543_n.jpg)I would never want two girls with horrible grammar fighting over Rush. Girls aren't supposed to like Rush. That's the deal. :P
Liar.(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/428322_298311956892501_260338560689841_833180_83120543_n.jpg)I would never want two girls with horrible grammar fighting over Rush. Girls aren't supposed to like Rush. That's the deal. :P
Every time this thread is bumped, I get hopeful that there's Clockwork Angels news (track lengths and the like), but I know that will never happen.
Yeeeeeees. Kevin J. Anderson OS writing a book to go along with the new album.
After dropping hints for a while, finally the big announcement, a new project unlike any other I've ever done...and something that I consider very cool.
Most of you are aware of my long-standing friendship with Neil Peart, the drummer and lyricist from the legendary rock band Rush, as well as how much Rush has influenced my work. My first novel Resurrection, Inc. was closely inspired by the Rush album "Grace Under Pressure," and I can point to dozens of other novels and stories that bear a clear Rush influence.
For more than twenty years, Neil and I have wanted to collaborate on something MAJOR, a way we could tie together our imaginations, and at last that's happening.
I'm writing the novelization of Rush's forthcoming album Clockwork Angels, their first new CD in five years. Imagine if someone had written the novel of The Wall, Tommy, or Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band when those classic albums were released. For Rush fans, CLOCKWORK ANGELS is that project.
I worked together with Neil to flesh out the epic story told over the course of the music, as well as the artist Hugh Syme whose paintings fill the CD booklet. In a young man's quest to follow his dreams, he is caught between the grandiose forces of order and chaos. He travels across a lavish and colorful world of steampunk and alchemy, with lost cities, pirates, anarchists, exotic carnivals, and a rigid Watchmaker who imposes precision on every aspect of daily life. To whet your appetite, Rush released the first two tracks, "Caravan" and "BU2B"-listen to those songs to get an idea of the story's beginning.
I'm writing the chapters now, incorporating the lyrics into the narrative, and having a fantastic time. More details to come, but for now-to quote a line from Caravan: "I can't stop thinking big."
Yeeeeeees. Kevin J. Anderson OS writing a book to go along with the new album.
I'd drop down to my knees and thank Jesus if they ever played Losing It or Everyday Glory, but I'd shocked to ever see either. Everyday Glory is a dreaded last track (they haven't played any of their last tracks from an album since 1985's Power Windows), and Losing It would require too much triggering of violin, including the solo. Hard to envision the band wanting to play a song where they have to trigger the solo in it since it was played by someone else.
I'd drop down to my knees and thank Jesus if they ever played Losing It or Everyday Glory, but I'd shocked to ever see either. Everyday Glory is a dreaded last track (they haven't played any of their last tracks from an album since 1985's Power Windows)
I'd drop down to my knees and thank Jesus if they ever played Losing It or Everyday Glory, but I'd shocked to ever see either. Everyday Glory is a dreaded last track (they haven't played any of their last tracks from an album since 1985's Power Windows)
Oh wow, you're right about that! Kinda surprising. Especially considering how awesome "Everyday Glory" is.
Hopefully it's the whole thing
Doesn't Hemispheres also make use of the double neck? When they did the Xanadu/Hemispheres: Prelude back-to-back on the CP tour, I know Alex used the double neck for Xanadu, and I am pretty sure he used it for the Prelude as well.
So, while Xanadu is probably the safe guess, you never know...
We'll be hearing all of 2112 and liking it.
As well as one or three other surprises. (And no, I don't know what they are)
I want to request they drop all the 'standards' this tour. Seriously. Tom Sawyer's slot could go to a much awesomer song
I want to request they drop all the 'standards' this tour. Seriously. Tom Sawyer's slot could go to a much awesomer song
I want to request they drop all the 'standards' this tour. Seriously. Tom Sawyer's slot could go to a much awesomer song
This would be pretty cool, but I think for almost any band you need to consider the first-timer, either new fans who just got into the band or people who have just never had the opportunity before. You want to make their concert enjoyable, and most of the time that means pulling out your big hits. Unfortunately for a band like Rush, "Tom Sawyer," "Spirit of Radio," and "Limelight" are basically required songs. So for that reason I don't think its a problem for them to keep playing Tom Sawyer, especially if everyone still likes playing it.
Unless that whole "b sides only" tour Alex wanted to do becomes a reality, in which case they'll have to advertise to the general public that "no we aren't playing Tom Sawyer!" :lol
Maybe some songs like Freewill, Subdivisions, and Far Cry could take a break though.
I want to request they drop all the 'standards' this tour. Seriously. Tom Sawyer's slot could go to a much awesomer song
This would be pretty cool, but I think for almost any band you need to consider the first-timer, either new fans who just got into the band or people who have just never had the opportunity before. You want to make their concert enjoyable, and most of the time that means pulling out your big hits. Unfortunately for a band like Rush, "Tom Sawyer," "Spirit of Radio," and "Limelight" are basically required songs. So for that reason I don't think its a problem for them to keep playing Tom Sawyer, especially if everyone still likes playing it.
Unless that whole "b sides only" tour Alex wanted to do becomes a reality, in which case they'll have to advertise to the general public that "no we aren't playing Tom Sawyer!" :lol
Maybe some songs like Freewill, Subdivisions, and Far Cry could take a break though.
Tom Sawyer and YYZ are the stples from MP. They've pulled the other back from time to time.
9. Rush
You realize that Jason Segel's character's obsession with Rush in I Love You Man is tongue in cheek, right? It's often said that people either love Rush or hate them, but a more accurate statement is that most people hate Rush, while a scattered few really love them. Sort of like anchovies; in fact, it's quite fair to call Rush the anchovies of rock music. Then there's the fact that "drummer Neil Peart generally consents only to speak to the drum press," a pantheon that includes in its entirety Modern Drummer and Not So Modern Drummer, if we're not mistaken. -Kai Flanders
[lol]Why would Rush have consented to appear in a film where enjoyment of their music is tongue-in-cheek?
https://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2012/02/top_20_worst_bands_ever_complete_list.php?page=4Quote9. Rush
You realize that Jason Segel's character's obsession with Rush in I Love You Man is tongue in cheek, right? It's often said that people either love Rush or hate them, but a more accurate statement is that most people hate Rush, while a scattered few really love them. Sort of like anchovies; in fact, it's quite fair to call Rush the anchovies of rock music. Then there's the fact that "drummer Neil Peart generally consents only to speak to the drum press," a pantheon that includes in its entirety Modern Drummer and Not So Modern Drummer, if we're not mistaken. -Kai Flanders
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Rush was approached by Hamburg [the director], who is a fan, to appear in the film. Even though the band does not normally perform in movies, they decided to do it. The shooting schedule was tough because there was a one day window between two of their concerts on tour. The band later said the whole experience was fun.[16] Hamburg felt that "once Rush got that I wasn't poking fun at them, that I'm genuinely a fan and the main characters of the movie are fans and it's kind of a loving tribute to them, I think that's when they came on board."
[lol]
https://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2012/02/top_20_worst_bands_ever_complete_list.php?page=4Quote9. Rush
You realize that Jason Segel's character's obsession with Rush in I Love You Man is tongue in cheek, right? It's often said that people either love Rush or hate them, but a more accurate statement is that most people hate Rush, while a scattered few really love them. Sort of like anchovies; in fact, it's quite fair to call Rush the anchovies of rock music. Then there's the fact that "drummer Neil Peart generally consents only to speak to the drum press," a pantheon that includes in its entirety Modern Drummer and Not So Modern Drummer, if we're not mistaken. -Kai Flanders
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Off topic, does anybody know if Rush has any unreleased b-sides or rarities in the vault?All things Rush are on-topic.
Yeah, that's what I've heard as well. They don't record ten songs and then pick seven to go on the album or anything like that. So unlike many bands, they don't have a bunch of unreleased material. The release everything they record.
I think Grace Under Pressure is the best synth album.If we're talking Signals to Hold Your Fire era, then I definitely agree.
I'm looking to get into the Synth era of Rush. I already have Moving Pictures, so where should I go now?
Moving forward in chronological order would probably be your best bet, that way you can hear the progression and evolvement in each record. Signals, then Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows and, finally, Hold Your Fire. Power Windows is the best of the four, but going from MP to that might be too much of a shock to the system, so I'd go in order.
So this is what the guy from the David Barrett Trio who worked with Alex on a EP said online about that double neck guitar post I added here.
"Big Al needs the Gibson double neck back for summer rehearsals and the upcoming Rush tour in September, anyone else want to give me one, maybe Gibson? ... kicker is he's using it for a new Rush song, not Xanadu!"
All I can say is awesome.
Great news. Has the release date been announced yet?
Great news. Has the release date been announced yet?
Geddy has said in a recent magazine interview that the album is set for a MAY release (Surprise surprise!). I'm hoping for the 8th, as the last two studio albums were released on May 1st and May 14th.
-Marc.
Hopefully a multiple of 4. Most likely 20, but my my optimistic side's pushing for 24.
Well for Rush, they don't have to have an album out every few years to keep them in the public eye. They can put an album out whenever they want to. Plus, how many bands like them release any albums.
Yeah, the only bands that can compete with them when it comes to longevity AND consistency as far as not having lineup changes are ZZ Top and U2 (ZZ Top's got them by a few years, and U2 is a few years behind).
I agree that they should visit Atlantic Canada, but I have to point something out about Morrison Colorado, and you'll have to take my word for this, as I live in CO.
Morrison itself isn't a "hot spot", but the reason they play there is because of Red Rocks. That is an amazing place to play at, and it isn't much of a drive from Denver to see. It's a very popular venue.
I think Rush has 1 album left. I doubt we'll get anymore than that at the rate they release albums. But luckily they tour heavily, and I wouldn't mind it if they kept touring but stopped making albums, I don't think their last few albums have been that great.
For a band of Rush's resources they can do whatever the fuck they want. Touring brings home the bacon, and so we can only hope they start getting a lot more drive for new music in their golden years or else I fear we won't see many more albums.
Probably, but Rush seems to be one of those bands where the live show is main thing now, not albums.I think Rush has 1 album left. I doubt we'll get anymore than that at the rate they release albums. But luckily they tour heavily, and I wouldn't mind it if they kept touring but stopped making albums, I don't think their last few albums have been that great.
I would imagine it'd be easier to keep releasing studio albums and not touring.
Kickass.
So this is what the guy from the David Barrett Trio who worked with Alex on a EP said online about that double neck guitar post I added here.
"Big Al needs the Gibson double neck back for summer rehearsals and the upcoming Rush tour in September, anyone else want to give me one, maybe Gibson? ... kicker is he's using it for a new Rush song, not Xanadu!"
All I can say is awesome.
So this is what the guy from the David Barrett Trio who worked with Alex on a EP said online about that double neck guitar post I added here.
"Big Al needs the Gibson double neck back for summer rehearsals and the upcoming Rush tour in September, anyone else want to give me one, maybe Gibson? ... kicker is he's using it for a new Rush song, not Xanadu!"
All I can say is awesome.
I still have to buy that David Barrett Trio EP. Thanks for reminding me.
I watched Rush from Montreal in 1983 and 1984 over the weekend and the loudest reaction during both of those concerts were for the sporatic use of the lasers. I forget how much of a novelty they were back then.
5/29!!! Let the countdown begin...
83 Days!!!
-Marc.
Gadough: That seems to be a big possibility.
So Losing It came on a full library shuffle earlier, I can't believe how awesome of a song it is and how I've pretty much skipped over it for years. I'm thinking I might have to revisit Signals soon.
So I haven't been keeping up with this thread, are we definitely getting an epic on this album or not?
I hope that's not the official artwork. I don't like it that much.
Gadough: That seems to be a big possibility.
So Losing It came on a full library shuffle earlier, I can't believe how awesome of a song it is and how I've pretty much skipped over it for years. I'm thinking I might have to revisit Signals soon.
Losing it is one of my top 5 Rush songs and since Signals was one of the last albums I bought, It took me forever to discovery it. But the day I did was really special.
Here's a fun game: write what set lists would/could have been on tours prior to 1996/1997 had Rush been doing 3-hour "Evening With..." shows all along.
Check out how sick this set list would have been on the Hemispheres tour:
Set 1
2112
Cinderella Man
Bastille Day
Circumstances
A Farewell to Kings
Something for Nothing
Closer to the Heart
Cygnus X-1
Set 2
Hemispheres
A Passage to Bangkok
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
Drum Solo
The Trees
Xanadu
La Villa Strangiato
Encore
Finding My Way
Anthem
Working Man
This is 1978 Geddy Lee we are talking about here, not 2012. :P He could do it.
I thought Caravan and BU2B were the advance singles from Clockwork Angels. ???
Eh, gimme the whole album or gimme nada! I hate getting a single too early, as it is easy to get burned out on that one song, and then when the whole album comes out, it becomes too easy to skip over the single that you have already burned yourself out on.
OK folks. Get Excited!!!!!
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/03/14/3032/First-single-from-Clockwork-Angels-rumored-to-be-released-Friday-March-30th
Cool story bro.:chill
Listened to Rush (the album) for the first time in a while. Finding My Way was very awesome, but honestly everything else was really bad. :/Even Working Man?
Listened to Rush (the album) for the first time in a while. Finding My Way was very awesome, but honestly everything else was really bad. :/Even Working Man?
Finding My Way is indeed awesome, but I'm not surprised you don't like their debut. It's very much in the vein of Zeppelin-esque wailing vocals and bluesy guitars. I enjoy it, but it's not a favorite of mine.
Listened to a Best Of Rush CD my friend put on in the car and I have to say I didn't enjoy any of it :-\How?
Fly By Night sounds like something they threw together last minute when they needed one more song for the album.
Listened to a Best Of Rush CD my friend put on in the car and I have to say I didn't enjoy any of it :-\
Fly By Night sounds like something they threw together last minute when they needed one more song for the album.
What? You're kidding. I learn so much from you, Shmeggy.Listened to a Best Of Rush CD my friend put on in the car and I have to say I didn't enjoy any of it :-\
Fly By Night sounds like something they threw together last minute when they needed one more song for the album.
No way. If you had a live bootleg from a studio when Neil first joined the band you'd know that the chorus and the bridge was flipped so they put some time and effort in molding that song.
Listened to a Best Of Rush CD my friend put on in the car and I have to say I didn't enjoy any of it :-\
Fly By Night sounds like something they threw together last minute when they needed one more song for the album.
No way. If you had a live bootleg from a studio when Neil first joined the band you'd know that the chorus and the bridge was flipped so they put some time and effort in molding that song.
Just had an idea. Since we have 9 weeks til the release of Clockwork Angels, I thought I could create a thread that discussed two albums per week from now til May 22nd. Anyone up for that? If I get a good amount of responses in the next couple hours, I'll start the thread.
-Marc.
Just had an idea. Since we have 9 weeks til the release of Clockwork Angels, I thought I could create a thread that discussed two albums per week from now til May 22nd. Anyone up for that? If I get a good amount of responses in the next couple hours, I'll start the thread.
-Marc.
I'm game.
Caress of Steel is not doing great at all...Not surprised, Caress of Steel is, IMO, largely terrible.
Two questions.
1) When does Rush lose that hard rock vibe and get more eclectic?
2) When does Geddy get more tolerable?
You have weird opinions.
Man, Vapor trails is a great album that sounds terrible, but I'm kinda starting to dig the sound. I desperately wanted a remastered or remixed version, but I don't anymore. :metal
Get your pre orders in for the novel.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/03/19/3034/Clockwork-Angels-novelization-by-Kevin-J.-Anderson-and-Neil-Peart-now-available-for-pre-order
I'd say there's enough going on in that album to classify it as more than mere hard rock.
1. Stick it OutI think these are brilliant. :metal
2. One Little Victory
Can someone explain the hate for "Stick it Out" to me? I never quite understood why everyone seems to hate that song. I like it.
Can someone explain the hate for "Stick it Out" to me? I never quite understood why everyone seems to hate that song. I like it.
Witch Hunt (Show of Hands version .. I really dig the electronic drums)
What is it about Stick it Out that makes it grunge? Is it just because it's in dropped D?
What is it about Stick it Out that makes it grunge? Is it just because it's in dropped D?
That doesn't help timing wise (1993) and the guy that directed the video seemed to have them dress the part. (I realize that, ultimately, these are trappings to not really have a lot to do with the song)
They also dropped the names of Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam when they were promoting influences for the album.
I wouldn't really call anything else on that album "grunge" at all, just that song.
Plus at the time with grunge, dry vocals(No effects) and drop tuning were in and Rush gave it a go. I'm not as down as most but since it was the first released song I wore it out.
Yup. It's Rush but you can tell what they were listening to at the time.
I loved it when they had the Police Influence.
I...I said something on DTF and people are acknowledging and agreeing with it!!! I have arrived!!
:omg: :blush :D :coolio :smiley:
Alex's guitar always sounded a lot like Andy Summers to me during that time. I'm glad I'm not the only one who heard it.I definitely hear that too.
They don't continue to pull Stick It Out out. It hadn't been played since the 90s until the last tour. And I'll bet it won't get played on the next tour. So, take a chill pill. :biggrin:
I'd love to see Between sun and moon. :metal
Screw it, just play all of Counterparts. :hatYea! :metal
I'd love to see Between sun and moon. :metal
Saw that opening night on the Vapor Trails tour in Hartford. It's the bonus cut on the Rush In Rio live album.
My friend flew in to Minnesota from Toronto after his trip in Norway. I just couldn't resist asking him for his luggage tag being the Rush fan that I am. So I put it in my Moving Pictures CD case
*snip
Time and again, situations arise where you must make a choice. And such choices cannot be avoided. After all, even if we choose not to decide we still have made a choice.
Living in Toronto, and spending lots of time on a plane, anyone who wants one, let me know. I regularly fly to San Antonio, Denver, Phoenix, Vegas for work.
Even though I didn't care for grunge, I have no problem admitting that the band liked it at the time, and was even influenced at times by it, but Stick It Out just doesn't sound like grunge. The first time I heard that song and that riff, I thought, "Wow, they are harkening back to the heaviness of the early days." That riff is more Working Man than grunge or alt rock.
Living in Toronto, and spending lots of time on a plane, anyone who wants one, let me know. I regularly fly to San Antonio, Denver, Phoenix, Vegas for work.
Yeah right
Even though I didn't care for grunge, I have no problem admitting that the band liked it at the time, and was even influenced at times by it, but Stick It Out just doesn't sound like grunge. The first time I heard that song and that riff, I thought, "Wow, they are harkening back to the heaviness of the early days." That riff is more Working Man than grunge or alt rock.
Yeah I agree with this (although I did/do love grunge). That's why I asked what exactly made Stick It Out grunge. To me it's just an up-tempo rock tune with a heavy dropped D riff. I usually think of grunge as being much slower than that. And the way ytserush and king explained it I thought they were implying that the guys were kind of giving in to pressure from their label or something to sound like what was hip at the time, which seemed out of character to me. The fact that they actually, you know, listened to and dug grunge/alternative makes a lot more sense :lol
Living in Toronto, and spending lots of time on a plane, anyone who wants one, let me know. I regularly fly to San Antonio, Denver, Phoenix, Vegas for work.
80s Rush is the era I was introduced to first, and the era I love most. So this makes me very intrigued.
"Headlong Flight" sounds pretty interesting! And clocking in at 7:30 long is amazing! It'll be their first track over 7 minutes in length since "The Camera Eye"! :metal
In non-Clockwork Angels-related discussion, does anyone else share my opinion that Different Stages is the best Rush live album?
If I had a nickel for every time I heard, "This Rush song or album is gonna song like this old Rush song or album," I'd be rolling in cash right now. In other words, don't buy it. Unless they are gonna somehow channel the headspace they were in 25-30 years ago, expecting this to sound like their 80s stuff, but with heavier guitars, is unrealistic.
But I am still excited as hell for this. :metal
From RIAB:
"Sorry I have been unable to post on here as I have been busy with work. Listening party happened a bit later than scheduled yesterday as it was more after 1 pm. I wasn't there but my friend was and he said if you would have wanted Rush albums in the 80s to have a harder edge then this is your record. The songs are like a winding journey and definitely has a more modern day concept feel to them. Keyboards are present on the record so if you loathe them, sorry! He didn't compare it to any particular album and that was a relief. He said just take 80 to 91 in a blender and that was it. Single should be out on or about April 1st. It is being sent to radio this weekend. My guess is this one doesn't leak. More as I hear more. It was basically a text conversation about it and I haven't had really the time to get in touch with him as he has other assignments."
Licking my chops, as 80 to 91 is my favorite Rush era.
In non-Clockwork Angels-related discussion, does anyone else share my opinion that Different Stages is the best Rush live album?
If I had a nickel for every time I heard, "This Rush song or album is gonna song like this old Rush song or album," I'd be rolling in cash right now. In other words, don't buy it. Unless they are gonna somehow channel the headspace they were in 25-30 years ago, expecting this to sound like their 80s stuff, but with heavier guitars, is unrealistic.
But I am still excited as hell for this. :metal
Do you think the new album will be simular to Snakes and Arrows in regards to song tempo and structure?
In non-Clockwork Angels-related discussion, does anyone else share my opinion that Different Stages is the best Rush live album?
Exit... Stage Left has energy? I'm sorry, but it's gotta be one of the driest live albums I've ever heard. The sound on it isn't poor quality wise, but it just comes across as soooo dry.
Exit... Stage Left has energy? I'm sorry, but it's gotta be one of the driest live albums I've ever heard. The sound on it isn't poor quality wise, but it just comes across as soooo dry.
In non-Clockwork Angels-related discussion, does anyone else share my opinion that Different Stages is the best Rush live album?
I am talking about the energy of the band; their performances. Little things like the flow and sound quality (which are more important on studio albums) cannot eliminate how much energy that live record has. I mean, are we gonna knock Rush in Rio because Geddy's vocals are barely audible on the first few songs? Of course not.
Different Stages loses points from me because of the lower-key shortened version of "2112". I've never liked the shortened version, and lowering it a key robs it of some of its energy. I know that not everyone can hear the difference, and many don't care, but I can and I do and it bugs me. It just sounds wrong to me.
I think they had to lower the key to enable Geddy to sing it. I don't think his voice would hold up and/or sound good when singing it in its original key. This ain't 1976 anymore.
You're both right, and I wasn't remembering it properly. I do remember being disappointed by the key being lowered, and for that reason, I don't even listen to it. I thought it was the shortened version. Maybe my disappointment was more that it was finally the original version but in the wrong key, thus we never did get a definitive live recording.
I know Geddy can't sing like that anymore, but curse my pitch sensitivity; I can hear the difference and it just sounds wrong. It's as noticeable and annoying as playing it on instruments that haven't been tuned.
A few more people talking about the new single but the full version of it from Rushisaband.com
In studio right now w Mark from Roadrunner listening to new tune from @RushIsABand called "Headlong Flight." It's awesome. #ByTorIsASnowDog
Lou Brutus - Sirius XM
Just heard new Rush song "Headlong Flight" ..... Holy Fucking Shit!!!!! 7 and a half minutes of pure genius!!!!!! @rushisaband
I haven't had goosebumps like this in years. This is Rush at their finest. Seriously. Fuck this is amazing. @rushisaband
New Rush song sounds like updated "By-Tor." Epic, cool guitar break downs. "I stoke the fires of the big steel wheels...
Dominic Nardella - Sirius XM
Just listened to the new Rush song "Headlong Flight". My pants are tight!..and moist from losing control of my bladder during the massive Alex Lifeson solo. @rushtheband
Mike Hsu - WAAF in Boston
@rushtheband New RUSH single from upcoming CD called "Headlong Flight"...Old school RUSH fans rejoice! It ROCKS 74-77 era! Just awesome!!
Grover Collins - WUBE/WYGY in Cincinnati
I think we can effectively rule out the album's having a story. Caravan and BU2B are the first two parts in a multi-part suite, but I think it's been confirmed that the Clockwork Angels story does not take up the entire album.
I think we can effectively rule out the album's having a story. Caravan and BU2B are the first two parts in a multi-part suite, but I think it's been confirmed that the Clockwork Angels story does not take up the entire album.
What? I'm pretty sure they've all but said it's a concept album which happens to contain a multi-part song or whatever.
Different Stages loses points from me because of the lower-key shortened version of "2112". I've never liked the shortened version, and lowering it a key robs it of some of its energy. I know that not everyone can hear the difference, and many don't care, but I can and I do and it bugs me. It just sounds wrong to me.
Found it (it's the same link you threw at me 6 or 7 pages ago, your highness). https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/12/13/2937/Alex-Lifeson-talks-Clockwork-Angels-in-new-Guitar-World-interview
"... Alex Lifeson stops short of calling Rush's upcoming Clockwork Angels a concept record, but he does admit that a theme runs through most the songs. "We have Caravan and BU2B; both of which we released already and played on the Time Machine tour," he says, referring to the group's extensive 2010-2011 outing. "Those two, along with three other songs, form a suite. The story of Clockwork Angels is in those five tracks.""
Found it (it's the same link you threw at me 6 or 7 pages ago, your highness). https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/12/13/2937/Alex-Lifeson-talks-Clockwork-Angels-in-new-Guitar-World-interviewLooks like you have a good memory since I can't remember what I said this morning. :lol
"... Alex Lifeson stops short of calling Rush's upcoming Clockwork Angels a concept record, but he does admit that a theme runs through most the songs. "We have Caravan and BU2B; both of which we released already and played on the Time Machine tour," he says, referring to the group's extensive 2010-2011 outing. "Those two, along with three other songs, form a suite. The story of Clockwork Angels is in those five tracks.""
I know it's not uber important, but if they never do one it will just leave a lot of fans wondering what if...
. I think we can count on seeing a lot more of the Leave That Thing Alone live solo stuff on this record.That sounds AWESOME!
UPDATE - 4/5@8:00AM: I have a few more details regarding the track lengths of the various edits from reader DJ_Carter. He let me know that the album version of Headlong Flight runs in at 7:20. The original length of the radio-edit of the track was 5:20, but once it was confirmed that it would be the first single they produced another, shorter version that clocked in at 4:50. He was played both of these cuts (the 5:20 and 4:50 versions) but couldn't tell any significant difference.I'm not sure if that's necessarily a good thing if he doesn't notice 30 seconds of music missing...:/
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour. I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.
Power Window would be great.
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour. I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour. I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.
what? imho the weapon is the WORST song rush has ever written in their entire career. its soo bad. .__.
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour. I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.
what? imho the weapon is the WORST song rush has ever written in their entire career. its soo bad. .__.
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour. I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.
what? imho the weapon is the WORST song rush has ever written in their entire career. its soo bad. .__.
Well since I've seen it live on 2 tours and you haven't. :P
Here's a fun idea: Imagine the tragedies in Neil Peart's life had not happened, and the band decided to do a 25th anniversary tour in 1999 on just the material they had at that point (Rush thru Test for Echo). What would the set list have looked like? I will do mine with the first song in the first set, last song in the second set and the encores picked on merit, but everything else done in reverse chronological order. And Geddy's voice maybe could have pulled off some older songs back then, so that is a factor. I also factored in what their sets had looked like in the 90s (this was before they were pulling out major deep cuts like Between the Wheels, A Passage to Bangkok, Digital Man, etc.). I also think doing this only make sense if it is fairly realistic, as opposed to someone putting all of both Hemispheres and The Fountain of Lamneth in theirs. :lol
Here goes:
Set 1
Dreamline
Driven
Animate
Leave That Thing Alone
Bravado
Roll the Bones
The Pass
Force Ten
Mystic Rhythms
Red Sector A
Subdivisions
Red Barchetta
Set 2
Limelight
Freewill
Natural Science
The Trees
Xanadu
Closer to the Heart
Drum Solo
2112 (Parts I, II and VII)
Bastille Day
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
In the Mood
Tom Sawyer
Encore
The Spirit of Radio
Anthem
YYZ
It's a pretty cool set, but I don't care for the ordering too much. I think there's a reason Rush doesn't organize their sets that way, even on anniversary tours: an entire set of modern Rush and an entire set of classic Rush doesn't really feel right.
1. Double Agent/Leave That Thing Alone/Cold Fire/Everyday GloryHard to argue with that.
2. Manhattan Project/Marathon/Territories/Middletown DreamsWell done. :tup Other good streaks:
2. Manhattan Project/Marathon/Territories/Middletown Dreams
2. Manhattan Project/Marathon/Territories/Middletown Dreams
This my choice. Man I hope they do all of PW on tour sometime.
2. Manhattan Project/Marathon/Territories/Middletown Dreams
This my choice. Man I hope they do all of PW on tour sometime.
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour. I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.
what? imho the weapon is the WORST song rush has ever written in their entire career. its soo bad. .__.
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour. I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.
what? imho the weapon is the WORST song rush has ever written in their entire career. its soo bad. .__.
It's not even the worst song on the album- that would be Digital Man. Or maybe Chemistry- though I can live with that now. I didn't love the reggae at the time though but both songs start really well before bolloxing it completely. I struggled with Signals for a long time before I realised it's a very good album disguised as a poor one.
The Rush Question of the Day: what is their best 4-song run on a studio album since 1982 (Signals through Snakes and Arrows)?
The Rush Question of the Day: what is their best 4-song run on a studio album since 1982 (Signals through Snakes and Arrows)?
Distant Early Warning/Afterimage/Red Sector A/The Enemy Within
:omg: :omg: :omg:
https://www.billboard.com/news/rush-s-clockwork-angels-hits-june-12-1006721952.story#/news/rush-s-clockwork-angels-hits-june-12-1006721952.story (https://www.billboard.com/news/rush-s-clockwork-angels-hits-june-12-1006721952.story#/news/rush-s-clockwork-angels-hits-june-12-1006721952.story)
Yeah, the old cover was better. Also disappointing to see it pushed back a few weeks.
Still, it's nice to finally hear something definitive about its release.
Seriously, Gadough, I was just about to point that out. You win this round.
Actually the clock on the cover is wrong since the hour hand should be just over a sixth of the way towards 10:00 and it's still at 9:00.
Don't you know? Nick's religion prevents him from splitting things into fifths.
Actually the clock on the cover is wrong since the hour hand should be just over a sixth of the way towards 10:00 and it's still at 9:00.
Sounds like this new album will be pretty heavy. If it is, I'm all over it.It means that Headlong Flight, the first single, will be on rock radio that day (with the radio edit becoming available on iTunes, etc. a few days after). We knew that already though.
What does it mean by "single will be on rock radio april 19th?"
:drool:
Also, cover art looks fucking awesome.
Ah, I thought they meant something more specific than general broadcast rock radio.Sounds like this new album will be pretty heavy. If it is, I'm all over it.It means that Headlong Flight, the first single, will be on rock radio that day (with the radio edit becoming available on iTunes, etc. a few days after). We knew that already though.
What does it mean by "single will be on rock radio april 19th?"
:drool:
Also, cover art looks fucking awesome.
I thought some radio stations were supposed to start playing the song today? Any word on that?
Actually the clock on the cover is wrong since the hour hand should be just over a sixth of the way towards 10:00 and it's still at 9:00.
It's okay Nick, you can say it. It should be exactly 1/5 of the way towards 10:00.
Yep. I have a feeling the track lengths will feel much more right to you when you're listening to the songs.
RIAB points out that this version of BU2B is about a minute longer than the prerelease single. I've got my fingers crossed for a rerecording.
Also, there's a rumor that Rush will be touring with an orchestra this time around. If so, I just came. If not, I just came thinking about the prospect regardless of its truthfulness.
Please no orchestra.
Side 1 - 18:21
1. Caravan(5:40)
2. BU2B(5:10)
3. Clockwork Angels(7:31)
Side 2 - 14:58
4. The Anarchist(6:52)
5. Carnies(4:52)
6. Halo Effect(3:14)
Side 3 - 18:53
7. Seven Cities Of Gold(6:32)
8. The Wreckers(5:01)
9. Headlong Flight(7:20)
Side 4 - 13:52
10. BU2B2(1:28)
11. Wish Them Well(5:25)
12. The Garden(6:59)
Edit: added it up to 66:04
Hard not to get excited when some of the facts are rolling in.
Heard the clip once, but to be honest I forget exactly what it sounded like.
I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.
Hard not to get excited when some of the facts are rolling in.
Heard the clip once, but to be honest I forget exactly what it sounded like.
I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.
Precisely. I wonder if hearing fan outcry against the new red-clouds cover will convince Huge/the band to switch back to the more colorful and steampunk-y looking album art?
-Marc.
Hard not to get excited when some of the facts are rolling in.
Heard the clip once, but to be honest I forget exactly what it sounded like.
I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.
Precisely. I wonder if hearing fan outcry against the new red-clouds cover will convince Huge/the band to switch back to the more colorful and steampunk-y looking album art?
-Marc.
Why on earth do you think they would even hear public outcry, let alone change it once it's been released to the public as the final cover? Seems silly to me to believe that they would.
I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.
I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.
Did Hugh Syme do the single cover art?
If not then there is not a single album cover I've seen of his that I like.
Okay, but I think Setlist Scotty was correct. It's not like the band is gonna say, "Golly jee, a few fans don't like the cover; we'd better change it!" :lol :lol
Personally, I like it. Not sure I'd put it up there with their best ones (MP, 2112, Power Windows, Roll the Bones, P/G, etc.), but I like it.
Okay, but I think Setlist Scotty was correct. It's not like the band is gonna say, "Golly jee, a few fans don't like the cover; we'd better change it!" :lol :lol
Personally, I like it. Not sure I'd put it up there with their best ones (MP, 2112, Power Windows, Roll the Bones, P/G, etc.), but I like it.
I was thinking of reviving the Rush survivor that I used to run a few years back if people are game? Should hopefully coincide nicely with the release of Clockwork Angels.
I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.
Did Hugh Syme do the single cover art?
If not then there is not a single album cover I've seen of his that I like.
I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.
Did Hugh Syme do the single cover art?
If not then there is not a single album cover I've seen of his that I like.
He's done everything since Fly By Night (I think) so there's gotta be SOMETHING in there that you like. :P
I was thinking of reviving the Rush survivor that I used to run a few years back if people are game? Should hopefully coincide nicely with the release of Clockwork Angels.
I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.
Did Hugh Syme do the single cover art?
If not then there is not a single album cover I've seen of his that I like.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007TTVRPM?tag=estengercom-20
Now both singles have better artwork than the actual album.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007TTVRPM?tag=estengercom-20
Now both singles have better artwork than the actual album.
Ahhh, sweet! That's the artwork currently on the Rush website. It looks pretty good, especially with the airship crossing it. The Power Windows news website has a good desktop of this image!
-Marc.
Even better news. The full song will be released as a digital single. Woot!!!
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/15/3064/Headlong-Flight-single-cover-art-revealed-full-version-available-for-download-April-24th
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007TTVRPM?tag=estengercom-20
Now both singles have better artwork than the actual album.
Even better news. The full song will be released as a digital single. Woot!!!
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/15/3064/Headlong-Flight-single-cover-art-revealed-full-version-available-for-download-April-24th
Even better news. The full song will be released as a digital single. Woot!!!
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/15/3064/Headlong-Flight-single-cover-art-revealed-full-version-available-for-download-April-24th
So people can pay for a song that they will pay for again when the whole album comes out? :P
Yep, I'd be perfectly fine spending an extra buck for a prerelease single.
I am pretty confident that the music on this will be most excellent, but the key to how good it really is will be the vocal melodies. Geddy's voice ain't nearly what it used to be, but he still does a mostly good job in the studio, so hopefully they wrote some good and memorable melodies.
Um, pretty sure their 50th anniversary wouldn't be till 2024, since every band but DT does their anniversary shows by beginning the count from the year they released their first album/EP/single/whatever.
Oh thank you god, they are playing Wells Fargo Center in Philly rather then Camden. Finally.
Tour dates leaked and opening night is 25 minutes from my house. This would be 3rd time I've seen the opening night of their tours!!
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/17/3068/Rush-2012-Clockwork-Angels-tour-dates-leaked
Tour dates leaked and opening night is 25 minutes from my house. This would be 3rd time I've seen the opening night of their tours!!
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/17/3068/Rush-2012-Clockwork-Angels-tour-dates-leaked
You're 25 minutes south right? Might be looking for a place to crash and/or someone to head to this show with...
I've seen a show in Toronto, the last show of a tour, and a show filmed for DVD, the only live Rush milestone left is also the one I've wanted most, to be there on opening night and be 100% surprised by the setlist.
Tour dates leaked and opening night is 25 minutes from my house. This would be 3rd time I've seen the opening night of their tours!!
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/17/3068/Rush-2012-Clockwork-Angels-tour-dates-leaked
You're 25 minutes south right? Might be looking for a place to crash and/or someone to head to this show with...
I've seen a show in Toronto, the last show of a tour, and a show filmed for DVD, the only live Rush milestone left is also the one I've wanted most, to be there on opening night and be 100% surprised by the setlist.
They're going to play Tom Sawyer.
:angel:
I would LOVE for them to drop Moving Pictures for this tour, but it won't happen. Tom Sawyer, YYZ, and Limelight will all be in the set, and likely 1 other for repetitive measure.
Oh thank you god, they are playing Wells Fargo Center in Philly rather then Camden. Finally.
whats better about wells fargo center? just curious. will be going to Drexel this fall so im looking forward to this being my first big college show. also stoked its a friday!
Tour dates leaked and opening night is 25 minutes from my house. This would be 3rd time I've seen the opening night of their tours!!
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/17/3068/Rush-2012-Clockwork-Angels-tour-dates-leaked
You're 25 minutes south right? Might be looking for a place to crash and/or someone to head to this show with...
I've seen a show in Toronto, the last show of a tour, and a show filmed for DVD, the only live Rush milestone left is also the one I've wanted most, to be there on opening night and be 100% surprised by the setlist.
I haven't seen Rush since the Test For Echo tour. The Wednesday night Boston date likely doesn't work for me, but I will see Rush again, hopefully on next summer's leg.
Oh thank you god, they are playing Wells Fargo Center in Philly rather then Camden. Finally.
whats better about wells fargo center? just curious. will be going to Drexel this fall so im looking forward to this being my first big college show. also stoked its a friday!
Typically they play the Susquehanna bank center during the summer in Camden which is an open amphitheater. Overall the Wells Fargo center not only has better acoustics, but its also in a way better area. I really don't like going to Camden either. Also, I found it easier/more cost effective to get the seats I want at well's fargo.
It's not that, actually. It's the kids. It's a school night for our baby sitter and a work night for anyone else that could watch then.I haven't seen Rush since the Test For Echo tour. The Wednesday night Boston date likely doesn't work for me, but I will see Rush again, hopefully on next summer's leg.
You know when your getting old when you hedge on a weeknight show. I do it all the time.
Tour dates leaked and opening night is 25 minutes from my house. This would be 3rd time I've seen the opening night of their tours!!
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/17/3068/Rush-2012-Clockwork-Angels-tour-dates-leaked
Hear a new song here: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/exclusive-stream-rush-return-with-heavy-headlong-flight-20120418
:metal
Meh. I am disappointed. THIS is what we've been waiting for?Seems to me to be a silly reason not to like a song. :)
Where are the keyboards/synths that people were talking about?
Meh. I am disappointed. THIS is what we've been waiting for?
Where are the keyboards/synths that people were talking about?
The rest of the album better be much better.
Meh. I am disappointed. THIS is what we've been waiting for?Seems to me to be a silly reason not to like a song. :)
Where are the keyboards/synths that people were talking about?
This song seriously rocks, man. I'm pumped for this album. The bass is INSANE.
Well, what are they? The first thing you apparently had to say about the song was that it's missing keyboards, which we both agree would be a silly reason not to like a song. You also mentioned that there is "no melody", which is just untrue (there is not only melody throughout, but a perfectly fine harmony in the bridge section). So why are you disappointed?Meh. I am disappointed. THIS is what we've been waiting for?Seems to me to be a silly reason not to like a song. :)
Where are the keyboards/synths that people were talking about?
It would be a silly reason indeed. Too bad there are 4-5 bigger reasons for disappointment here.
Dude, there is a vocal melody. It's pretty huge, actually, and really good. Sorta hard to miss.
No vocal melody
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than thisThere are riffs that are very clear. And a pretty nifty solo there.
This, and also:Dude, there is a vocal melody. It's pretty huge, actually, and really good. Sorta hard to miss.
No vocal melodywall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than thisThere are riffs that are very clear. And a pretty nifty solo there.
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops. This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs.You could interpret it that way. The way I interpret it is that they're a rock band playing a rock single. If your logic holds, Metallica and Maiden have been trying to convince people that they're young and good at songwriting since '82.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MlZSNNmOLZk/T41W1D4AioI/AAAAAAAALgs/fCkpjlq2j1I/s1600/CaravanSong1.jpg)
Saw this floating around (pun intended)...looks like artwork for the new album booklet. Maybe?
-Marc.
Good song, the bass is fucking beastly.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MlZSNNmOLZk/T41W1D4AioI/AAAAAAAALgs/fCkpjlq2j1I/s1600/CaravanSong1.jpg)
Saw this floating around (pun intended)...looks like artwork for the new album booklet. Maybe?
-Marc.
That looks awesome.
No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops. This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs.
Gosh - where do i begin?(https://tigerbloodtuzzi.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/julien-shaking-head.gif?w=584)
No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops. This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs.
And i don't buy the "leave them alone - they are 60yrs old!" argument. Each of them has repeatedly said they are currently playing at their peak.
Look - if it sounds like i am picking on them too much, it is because i am so disappointed. Rush is my favorite band of all time by a factor of 100X. I have to compare this to their existing catalog, which in my opinion is the greatest canon of music of the past 50yrs. And in that context, this "song" does not measure up. I don't think it even registers.
Gosh - where do i begin?(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qDdnwPOuokU/TxNMk4iUxFI/AAAAAAAAAoI/HyLL3sHS4jg/s1600/clint-eastwood-disgusted-gif.gif)
No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops. This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs.
And i don't buy the "leave them alone - they are 60yrs old!" argument. Each of them has repeatedly said they are currently playing at their peak.
Look - if it sounds like i am picking on them too much, it is because i am so disappointed. Rush is my favorite band of all time by a factor of 100X. I have to compare this to their existing catalog, which in my opinion is the greatest canon of music of the past 50yrs. And in that context, this "song" does not measure up. I don't think it even registers.
Gosh - where do i begin?
No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops. This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs.
And i don't buy the "leave them alone - they are 60yrs old!" argument. Each of them has repeatedly said they are currently playing at their peak.
Look - if it sounds like i am picking on them too much, it is because i am so disappointed. Rush is my favorite band of all time by a factor of 100X. I have to compare this to their existing catalog, which in my opinion is the greatest canon of music of the past 50yrs. And in that context, this "song" does not measure up. I don't think it even registers.
Gosh - where do i begin?
No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops. This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs.
And i don't buy the "leave them alone - they are 60yrs old!" argument. Each of them has repeatedly said they are currently playing at their peak.
Look - if it sounds like i am picking on them too much, it is because i am so disappointed. Rush is my favorite band of all time by a factor of 100X. I have to compare this to their existing catalog, which in my opinion is the greatest canon of music of the past 50yrs. And in that context, this "song" does not measure up. I don't think it even registers.
Okay, but no one actually believes that. And most musicians always think they are at their peak, regardless of age. What are they gonna say? "Well, we can't play like we used to, but we can still play good enough, so please buy our record?" :lol
I think this will sound a lot better once we hear it in HQ. It sounds too muddy now, but you can tell it will sound much better when we hear the regular version.
That's the part that i have the most trouble accepting, because i can't find an intuitive reason why musicians (or writers) should lose their ability to write profoundly as they get older.Gosh - where do i begin?
No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops. This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs.
And i don't buy the "leave them alone - they are 60yrs old!" argument. Each of them has repeatedly said they are currently playing at their peak.
Look - if it sounds like i am picking on them too much, it is because i am so disappointed. Rush is my favorite band of all time by a factor of 100X. I have to compare this to their existing catalog, which in my opinion is the greatest canon of music of the past 50yrs. And in that context, this "song" does not measure up. I don't think it even registers.
Okay, but no one actually believes that. And most musicians always think they are at their peak, regardless of age. What are they gonna say? "Well, we can't play like we used to, but we can still play good enough, so please buy our record?" :lol
I think this will sound a lot better once we hear it in HQ. It sounds too muddy now, but you can tell it will sound much better when we hear the regular version.
Love the song. And that YT clip was much cleaner than the Rolling Stone one. Can't wait for the album!
As far as their writing ability, i don't think anyone here would argue that it isn't what it once was. That's the part that i have the most trouble accepting, because i can't find an intuitive reason why musicians (or writers) should lose their ability to write profoundly as they get older. In Rush's case, i think most people on this board will agree that it started happening in the mid 90's, if not sooner. They were still in their early-mid 40's at that point.See, but this would imply that Hold Your Fire is better than Snakes and Arrows, which is definitely not the case.
Official lyrics video (music is better quality too):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZcFGrWjOX0E
So I'm thinking about getting the VIP package this time around.
Has anybody gotten them before and are they worth it?
As far as their writing ability, i don't think anyone here would argue that it isn't what it once was. That's the part that i have the most trouble accepting, because i can't find an intuitive reason why musicians (or writers) should lose their ability to write profoundly as they get older. In Rush's case, i think most people on this board will agree that it started happening in the mid 90's, if not sooner. They were still in their early-mid 40's at that point.See, but this would imply that Hold Your Fire is better than Snakes and Arrows, which is definitely not the case.
Why is it that tickets go on sale when I'm financially not able to get tickets. I'm going to try this time around though... I'm so pumped up for this.
As far as their writing ability, i don't think anyone here would argue that it isn't what it once was. That's the part that i have the most trouble accepting, because i can't find an intuitive reason why musicians (or writers) should lose their ability to write profoundly as they get older. In Rush's case, i think most people on this board will agree that it started happening in the mid 90's, if not sooner. They were still in their early-mid 40's at that point.
As far as their writing ability, i don't think anyone here would argue that it isn't what it once was. That's the part that i have the most trouble accepting, because i can't find an intuitive reason why musicians (or writers) should lose their ability to write profoundly as they get older. In Rush's case, i think most people on this board will agree that it started happening in the mid 90's, if not sooner. They were still in their early-mid 40's at that point.See, but this would imply that Hold Your Fire is better than Snakes and Arrows, which is definitely not the case.
I actually recently read an interview with Trey Parker and Matt Stone of Southpark about this. From the New York Times:
"A decade ago, Trey, you said that you couldn’t point to anyone who sustained their creativity into their 30s or 40s. You’re about to turn 42.
Parker: I totally still think that. We’ve been writing “Book of Mormon” for seven years, and the best work on it was when we were still in our 30s.
You’re messing with me.
Parker: No, honestly. I think intellectually I’m a way better writer than I was, but in terms of coming up with stuff, it’s definitely dying. I can feel myself dying inside.
Stone: I can feel the instrument blunting. I don’t know if we could create “South Park” today. We have it, and it’s cool to build upon. But creating it? That takes the energy of a 25-year-old."
Fhxufhrbchdud can't listen till like 4pm.
Anyone find it somewhat odd that rolling stone of all places got this stream? They spent decades either ignoring or shitting on Rush.
I probably won't listen to this track much. Just comparing the track to the sample the sound quality on the full song is horrid. Rather not have my opinions on the track hindered by horrible sound.
So I'm thinking about getting the VIP package this time around.
Has anybody gotten them before and are they worth it?
I'd say no. I got the package and got 4th row, which was amazing, but the package itself (which is $200 over front section price last time) was not worth it. The "limited tour poster" was a random fucking Fly By Night poster, and the "Special limited tour shirt" was just a fucking shirt with Rush on the front. Total rip off. What I'd suggest, if you want to spend the extra money, just go on ebay and pay an extra $100 or so for a really good seat.
Well, this will be my 3rd opening night seeing Rush
1985 -- Power Windows Tour -- Maine
2002 -- Vapor Trailers Tour -- CT
2012 --Clockwork Angels Tour NH
Very lucky. Met Geddy on the Power Windows tour and I loves the sign on their tour bus in the front. it said, "Nobody Important." :lol
With the tour now announced, can we assume that if there was any credibility to the symphony, or any album being played in full, that it would have been announced with the rest of the tour info?
With the tour now announced, can we assume that if there was any credibility to the symphony, or any album being played in full, that it would have been announced with the rest of the tour info?
That is a safe assumption. We can now hopefully put aside the foolish notions that they'd play all of Signals or tour with an orchestra, both of which I said were very unlikely.
With the tour now announced, can we assume that if there was any credibility to the symphony, or any album being played in full, that it would have been announced with the rest of the tour info?
That is a safe assumption. We can now hopefully put aside the foolish notions that they'd play all of Signals or tour with an orchestra, both of which I said were very unlikely.
The symphony I could see, but Signals just didn't make sense to me other than it came right after Moving Pictures.
did you score 10th row at 12:27pm???
your post was at 12:27
I pulled 16th row somewhat early on, kept trying for better and ended up settling for 21st row. Oh well, it's going to be insane in any case, and I'll be ditching this thread a week or two before the tour so I don't even hear any rehearsal rumors of what they might be playing.
Headlong Flight is now available on iTunes. Yes, I bought it. :biggrin:
The HQ mp3 already sounds significantly better than the original stream or any of the youtube links that had surfaced since. :metal
Headlong Flight is now available on iTunes. Yes, I bought it. :biggrin:
The HQ mp3 already sounds significantly better than the original stream or any of the youtube links that had surfaced since. :metal
Headlong Flight is now available on iTunes. Yes, I bought it. :biggrin:
The HQ mp3 already sounds significantly better than the original stream or any of the youtube links that had surfaced since. :metal
Even better news. The full song will be released as a digital single. Woot!!!
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/15/3064/Headlong-Flight-single-cover-art-revealed-full-version-available-for-download-April-24th
So people can pay for a song that they will pay for again when the whole album comes out? :P
Got my "Headlong Flight" mp3 for FREE on Amazon because I had a free-download credit for ordering on there a couple weeks ago! WOOHOO!Dude, thanks for reminding me. I had an mp3 credit I completely forgot about. It couldn't have been put to better use if I had tried.
-Marc.
Gah, I suppose I will have to dig through my email trash bin.
Gosh - where do i begin?
No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops. This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs.
And i don't buy the "leave them alone - they are 60yrs old!" argument. Each of them has repeatedly said they are currently playing at their peak.
Look - if it sounds like i am picking on them too much, it is because i am so disappointed. Rush is my favorite band of all time by a factor of 100X. I have to compare this to their existing catalog, which in my opinion is the greatest canon of music of the past 50yrs. And in that context, this "song" does not measure up. I don't think it even registers.
Okay, but no one actually believes that. And most musicians always think they are at their peak, regardless of age. What are they gonna say? "Well, we can't play like we used to, but we can still play good enough, so please buy our record?" :lol
I think this will sound a lot better once we hear it in HQ. It sounds too muddy now, but you can tell it will sound much better when we hear the regular version.
Regarding playing at their "peak," it's an interesting question. I don't believe it myself, but i actually think many people do. I am a drummer, so i can hear Neil's age in his playing. At the same time, he can do things now that he couldn't do 10yrs, 20yrs ago. He's rounded out his skill set quite a bit as he continues to learn and grow. A master musician never stops learning. But most people can hear that he his drumming lacks the youthful vibrance it once had. I personally think he peaked around 1991.
As far as Alex and Geddy - i don't have the knowledge to make an accurate opinion. I will say that on the R30 tour, Alex was the star of the show for me. And Geddy seems to be able to play as well as he ever has, if not very close to it.
As far as their writing ability, i don't think anyone here would argue that it isn't what it once was. That's the part that i have the most trouble accepting, because i can't find an intuitive reason why musicians (or writers) should lose their ability to write profoundly as they get older. In Rush's case, i think most people on this board will agree that it started happening in the mid 90's, if not sooner. They were still in their early-mid 40's at that point.
I never said that. All I said was:Even better news. The full song will be released as a digital single. Woot!!!
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/15/3064/Headlong-Flight-single-cover-art-revealed-full-version-available-for-download-April-24th
So people can pay for a song that they will pay for again when the whole album comes out? :P
I don't think spending an extra $1.29 on Rush will break me. :biggrin:
Had a bit of a surreal experience today.
My gf had shown interest in Rush and possibly going with to see a show when they toured. Well, I planned the Manchester trip and she wasn't able to do that. Long story short she is basically forcing me to go to the Philly show as well so she can see a show.
There are worse fates in this world then having to say OK, I'll find a way to do a second show. :biggrin:
Will that work for any city or only Manchester?
Tempus Vox:
People often forget that a recorded song that moves them is a permanent record of that artists piece, and people think every subsequent record should sound like the one they have been familiar with for 30 years or longer. Life doesnt work that way. People and their interests change. NP isn't the same musician, let alone the same man he was 30 years ago. But he is always looking to evolve or try something different. Hell...the entire band has always done this too. As for writing ability, if every song sounded the same, then no one would buy records, and artists would get bored and give up.
QuoteTempus Vox:
People often forget that a recorded song that moves them is a permanent record of that artists piece, and people think every subsequent record should sound like the one they have been familiar with for 30 years or longer. Life doesnt work that way. People and their interests change. NP isn't the same musician, let alone the same man he was 30 years ago. But he is always looking to evolve or try something different. Hell...the entire band has always done this too. As for writing ability, if every song sounded the same, then no one would buy records, and artists would get bored and give up.
And this is a MAJOR reason why I love this band. We're in 2012 now, not 1981.
QuoteTempus Vox:
People often forget that a recorded song that moves them is a permanent record of that artists piece, and people think every subsequent record should sound like the one they have been familiar with for 30 years or longer. Life doesnt work that way. People and their interests change. NP isn't the same musician, let alone the same man he was 30 years ago. But he is always looking to evolve or try something different. Hell...the entire band has always done this too. As for writing ability, if every song sounded the same, then no one would buy records, and artists would get bored and give up.
And this is a MAJOR reason why I love this band. We're in 2012 now, not 1981.
At the same time, he can do things now that he couldn't do 10yrs, 20yrs ago. He's rounded out his skill set quite a bit as he continues to learn and grow. A master musician never stops learning.
And, to me, this is a MAJOR reason why i am so disappointed by Headlong Flight. To me it sounds like devolution, rather than moving forward.
God damn, had forgotten that Wells Fargo Center (which does its own ticketing) is just as bad if not worse than Ticketmaster.
$86 for two tickets, and $37 in charges.
I don't get these pictures. ???
I don't get these pictures. ???
It's from the last tourbook folks.
Interesting. Though Rush has used the tritone before (like in "Chain Lightning").And, to me, this is a MAJOR reason why i am so disappointed by Headlong Flight. To me it sounds like devolution, rather than moving forward.
One thing about this - it may very well be that my brain is just too small to hear the evolution. I exchanged some emails with someone over at RIAB a few days ago. What he had to say was very interesting:
"What I was referring to is Rush's use of the tritone (an augmented fourth interval) in these songs. In modern music, this interval is thought to have been first popularized by Wagner in the famous Tristan and Isolde chord. You can hear this in the recent movie "Meloncholia," which often repeats the section from "Tristan" that uses this chord. In the Middle Ages, the augmented fourth was thought to be a particularly discordant interval, inasmuch as it did not sound consonant with the usual diatonic scale. If you are not familiar with this interval, you can hear it in West Side Story: the augmented fourth is sung in "Mari-ia", between the a- and the -ri." The augmented fourth is thought to be the gateway to a 12-tone scale, wherein a song might use not only the notes in a major or minor scale, but all 12 notes in an octave (between a C and a C an octave higher on a piano keyboard).
What I was saying about Good News First, and part of the chorus of Headlong Flight, is that Rush is playing off this augmented fourth. I was playing around with the idea that they, like Bach and Mozart, could be leaning toward the use of a 12 tone scale in rock music, which would be really exciting. It was just a thought, and I threw it out there to see if anyone else might agree or disprove my conjecture. I hope that this makes sense, and that you are enjoying the new Rush music!"
^^ InB4 Necromancer is the greatest song ever.Actually, you weren't inb4 "necromancer is the greatest song ever".
oh btw, Necromancer is the greatest song ever.
I'm sure that many Rushies already know about the following, but i am posting it for those who don't:
https://www.rushradio.org/content.php?pagename=Listen
Rush Radio - streaming online since 1998. It's great - i listen all the time. Great contrast between old and new. Just heard Bastille Day followed by Emotion Detector. Earlier it was Alien Shore followed by Hemispheres.
Really great resource for Rushies.
Unfortunately Alex has since commented that they rehearsed the song but just weren't feeling it and went with other stuff instead. That doesn't mean that it won't get played, but they weren't simply saving it sadly.
I guess the songs I would be happiest to see live would be:
1. The Necromancer
2. Losing it
3. Middletown Dreams
4. Ghost of a Chance
5. Anthem
Just seeing one of those would make me a happy camper.
I think it was in some mag you wouldn't expect.
Are you kidding? The cat-owning community has been upset with Rush since Signals. Have you seen that cover?I think it was in some mag you wouldn't expect.
Cat Fancy?
2112 has a LOT more mainstream exposure, and that even includes the full song now that it was in Guitar Hero and gets played in full on satellite radio. We also just had the 2112 event with a bunch of ground radio playing it in full. There is a lot of pull for 2112 to get played again. And while hardcore fans want Hemispheres just as bad, there simply isn't the pull to get a long tough song like that played as there is with 2112.
Hmmmm, well, that is disappointing, but I'd rather they play songs they are feeling and excited about than songs the fans want to hear that they are bored with and going through the motions during. It's just too bad that Jacob's Ladder became the latter instead of the former. :(
So much joint win...
Has Alex lost weight? Or is the suit compressing his fatness?
Rush with South Park co-creator Matt Stone.
(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/546066_10150764856557062_53385812061_9731468_2143318954_n.jpg)
This is what it's all about:
https://www.nfb.ca/film/inner_rush/?ec=en20120509
Question about the tour, some shows on ticketmaster are listed as Evening Withs, but some are not, are they all Evening With shows? Or only the ones listed?
I would be shocked if there were any shows that weren't Evening-Withs.Question about the tour, some shows on ticketmaster are listed as Evening Withs, but some are not, are they all Evening With shows? Or only the ones listed?
I'm not the hugest Rush fan, but I don't believe they've had an opening band for over a decade, so I have to imagine that they are all Evening Withs. You might want to wait for someone else to chime in, though...
in Alex's words, they're going to make records until they die.
Awesome article on Rush in the latest issue of Classic Rock, which can be read here:
https://cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/classic-rock-07.2012.php
My favorite quote:Quotein Alex's words, they're going to make records until they die.
:metal :metal
Everyone keeps calling this "their 20th studio album"...Are people counting "Feedback"? Cause I wouldn't. ???
Everyone keeps calling this "their 20th studio album"...Are people counting "Feedback"? Cause I wouldn't. ???
I wouldn't either.
I guess they didn't record Feedback in a studio then. :lol
Generally speaking, I always consider cover albums to be official studio albums. Feedback is no exception.
PRAYING to see them in Chicago this year.... it's a matter of $$
Feedback isn't a studio album. Anyone who says studio album is pretty much always talking about original major releases by a band. I make no exception for Rush, and the only reason the band or media outlets is pushing it as the 20th studio album is because 20th sounds better than 19th.
Yeah, 20th sounds cooler than 19th, but that's such a stupid reason. Especially since Rush have said that they'll record until they die, or something like that. The one after this will be the 20th album, legit, so are they gonna call that the 21st album? They'll be "off by one" from now on.
Exactly, no one will remember in 5 years time when the next studio album comes what the press release said for the previous album.
Exactly, no one will remember in 5 years time when the next studio album comes what the press release said for the previous album.
True, but the internet is forever. And once ONE person remembers it, they'll post a link, and then others will post that link, and soon the whole internet will remember...
-Marc.
In addition - press releases, reviews, articles, interviews, blogs, vlogs, and clogs from 5 years ago still exist online from the release of Snakes & Arrows, like this one:
https://brucejemcc.blogspot.com/2007/03/new-album-from-rush-snakes-and-arrows.html
...where the writer states "On May 1st, Rush releases their 19th album and it's called Snakes & Arrows".
So...there's that.
-Marc.
In addition - press releases, reviews, articles, interviews, blogs, vlogs, and clogs from 5 years ago still exist online from the release of Snakes & Arrows, like this one:
https://brucejemcc.blogspot.com/2007/03/new-album-from-rush-snakes-and-arrows.html
...where the writer states "On May 1st, Rush releases their 19th album and it's called Snakes & Arrows".
So...there's that.
-Marc.
New interview with Alex:
https://www.metalexpressradio.com/menu.php?main=interviews&id=991
:hat
Have you recorded Clockwork Angels in surround sound for later release?
No we didn`t.
Listening to AFTK right now and I just want to say, hot damn I forgot how much I love Xanadu :heart
Listening to AFTK right now and I just want to say, hot damn I forgot how much I love Xanadu :heart
So, when is this Clockwork angels thing gonna be released?
Yeah, as far as never before or little before played stuff the Synth era albums are the obvious place to go. I'd love to hear Lock and Key and Manhattan Project or Middletown or Territories this time around.
I love Mystic Rhythms, but the R30 version came up on random play the other day, and I was a little surprised by how uninspired it sounded, so I think might be one of those tunes that simply doesn't translate that well live. I don't remember being disappointed with it when I saw it on the CP and R30 tours, but I don't remember it blowing me away either. I'd much rather than dig deeper for a PoW cut that hasn't been played since the 80s - Manhattan Project, Territories or Middletown Dreams, please. :biggrin:
Yeah, as far as never before or little before played stuff the Synth era albums are the obvious place to go. I'd love to hear Lock and Key and Manhattan Project or Middletown or Territories this time around.
I wonder when we'll get the 30 second to minute bits of each new song so I can froth at the mouth till the albums comes out.
Red Sector A is so awesome live, though. I am fine with them playing that as often as possible.
Red Sector A is so awesome live, though. I am fine with them playing that as often as possible.
I have yet to see RSA live but based on Rush in Rio it sounds amazing and I really want to hear it. Best rock march song ever.
I have always thought RS'A' was somewhat dull live.
Clockwork Orange:lol
Clockwork Orange:lol
Alex discusses the new album track by track:
https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/interview-alex-lifeson-talks-rushs-clockwork-angels-track-by-track-545614
My enthusiasm for this album is now sky high. 18 days!!!!! :) :) :)
Does anybody know if there will be different editions (deluxe) of CA; or is there just the single disc version?
Does anybody know if there will be different editions (deluxe) of CA; or is there just the single disc version?
The only deluxe I'm aware of, is the one I just ordered. It comes with both the CD and the vinyl version. $40 well spent.
In between "Clockwork Angels" and "The Anarchist" there was a title called "i - the pedlar 1", and also between "Headlong Flight" and "BU2B2" there was a title called "ii - the pedlar 2".
The meaning of these monikers should become more evident when the full lyrics become available, but for now, they seem something like a subtitle for "Clockwork Angels" and "Headlong Flight", as these two songs have some sort of connection between them.
I understand this is kinda pointless as I've whittled it down and made it personal, but for shits and giggles, here are in chronological order the 10 songs I most want to see live that I never have and they at least have a reasonable chance at playing-
Jacob's Ladder
The Enemy Within
Territories
Middletown Dreams
Lock and Key
The Pass
Between Sun & Moon
Cold Fire
Test for Echo
Driven
Problem with Roll the Bones is they've played the 4 songs I think they have any chance of playing. If they go back to it, it will be to one of 3 songs I've already heard plenty of times.
Problem with Roll the Bones is they've played the 4 songs I think they have any chance of playing. If they go back to it, it will be to one of 3 songs I've already heard plenty of times.
It's not all about you Nick :P
So I just found out that, apparently, two songs on the album have sub-songs within/after them, as a track list has been revealed to show as such...
I don't really care what they play given it will be my first time seeing them. However, I think Between Sun and Moon would be cool live.
So is there a deluxe version of the album coming out or is there only the CD version and vinyl version?
Considering doing a Clockwork Angels listening party, would people be interested?
And if so, would you want it to be the weekend before release, the day of release, or the weekend after release?
30 second samples https://www.walmart.com/ip/20923974
Considering doing a Clockwork Angels listening party, would people be interested?
And if so, would you want it to be the weekend before release, the day of release, or the weekend after release?
Funnily enough I just saw a Rushisaband tweet on my phone and haven't actually heard the samples. It's only 8 days out for me, so I'll wait to have the album in hand before listening.
Double Agent is really underrated. That heavy riff kicks ass.
Double Agent is really underrated. That heavy riff kicks ass.
Must ... resist ... temptation.
LOL. Also a youtube of all the songs, 30 second clips.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f8g5gEKi7xQ#!
The fan package supposedly has shipped.
If it gets here by Friday, I won't have to pick up another copy at the store Friday night.
Knowing my luck recently, I don't expect that will happen.
I am not gonna listen to these new 30-second samples, but there seems to be a lot of bickering about them at the Rush forum.
And based on some of the comments, I will reiterate my biggest fear about this album: Geddy's vocals. His voice isn't nearly what it used to be, and I worry that even good vocal melodies will have too much of that double-tracked yodeling that he has resorted to at times in recent years. I hope I am wrong, but his voice is not gonna magically get younger or better again. Time will tell...
How are most of you purchasing CA. Are you going to order it online or get it from a store? I plan on going to HMV as soon as they open.
How are most of you purchasing CA. Are you going to order it online or get it from a store? I plan on going to HMV as soon as they open.
How are most of you purchasing CA. Are you going to order it online or get it from a store? I plan on going to HMV as soon as they open.
How are most of you purchasing CA. Are you going to order it online or get it from a store? I plan on going to HMV as soon as they open.
Any more rules broken in this thread will go straight to temp ban as this is people's general warning.Sorry about that :laugh: Guess I got excited/carried away.
Any more rules broken in this thread will go straight to temp ban as this is people's general warning.Sorry about that :laugh: Guess I got excited/carried away.
Fun interview with Geddy here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBZY_loemUw
Without giving it away, he and Alex have the same least favorite Rush song...
I don't know the exact number, but out of the 130+ Rush songs, there's only 3 that I don't like. (Tai Shan, Dog Years and Super Conductor)
All others I can enjoy on some level, and about 90% of them I really do love.
There ain't much right with it either.
I love Rivendell. I REALLY LOVE SUPERCONDUCTOR!!! I really like Tai Shan.
You're doing finals in June? Wow. Late semester.Quarter system. Dumb stuff.
You're doing finals in June? Wow. Late semester.Quarter system. Dumb stuff.
Given that Geddy said that they are planning on playing "a lot" of the new album, I think BU2B2 and Wish Them Well are the easy two to eliminate, but would they play all of the other 10? Or maybe go with 8-9? And if so, which other one or two would lose out? I can't see them not playing the first five, Headlong Flight and The Wreckers, so that is 7 right there. They haven't played a final song from an album since Power Windows, but it would be a travesty to not play The Garden.
S&A (which was an incredibly strong album)
S&A (which was an incredibly strong album)
You really think so? I see it as a consistent album that lacks highlights. I loved it the first couple of times but it has not aged well at all for me.
S&A (which was an incredibly strong album)
You really think so? I see it as a consistent album that lacks highlights. I loved it the first couple of times but it has not aged well at all for me.
I'm with ya there on S&A. Solid top to bottom, but no real highs (or lows for that matter)
I'm holding off until next Tuesday.
The title track is probably as close to Hemispheres as we'll ever get.
The title track is probably as close to Hemispheres as we'll ever get.
oh wow. cant wait to hear it now
I don't think it even has a hint of Hemispheres in it. See, this is what gets fans hopes up and then disappointed: comparisons to old, classic songs that do nothing but make some think that they are gonna be hearing a new Rush song that sounds like one of the classics.
I've got to be honest. I don't know either.Thanks for the link. Given that the page says fans can "upload music" to Grooveshark, I'd say it's more likely a symptom of the leak than anything else. For that reason, I'd take down the link before the mods kill you. :lol
Edit: This link should help you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grooveshark
Clockwork Angels is on Grooveshark!!Yeah, might want to take that down before the e-police get here.
https://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Clockwork+Angels/4511814
I'm almost afraid to comment on the album from a sonic standpoint but Vapor Trails does very much come to mind here.:-\ I was really afraid of this.
I'm almost afraid to comment on the album from a sonic standpoint but Vapor Trails does very much come to mind here.:-\ I was really afraid of this.
Wow they have the Wreckers right on the album sticker.
Perhaps this may be the next single?
:lol The vinyl and 1 CD is for me, the others are for my sister and best friend.
Okay, will do when I get home.
Okay, will do when I get home.
:tup
So, semi-on-topic, I've been going back and listening to Rush's previous 6 albums (from Presto to Snakes & Arrows) and I've (re-)gained new-found appreciation for many of the songs and albums. It's also been a long while since I've really LISTENED to Rush, and taken the time to enjoy them. It's weird, like visiting a long lost friend you knew a decade ago, and are coming to familiarize yourself with them once more. I remember choruses, lyrics, drum fills...lots of little things that make me realize that Rush is deep within me, and I will live with that for the rest of my life. And I'm quite happy with that fact.
-Marc.
So I'm pretty sure I could make the album cover background in photoshop in ten minutes. Hugh Syme can do great stuff. This is lazy, IMO.
So I'm pretty sure I could make the album cover background in photoshop in ten minutes. Hugh Syme can do great stuff. This is lazy, IMO.
Especially as the small hand isn't in the right place.
Just wanted to say...
Presto > Roll The Bones
I've been listening to both over the last few hours...and I think I enjoy Presto more, as a whole, than I do Roll The Bones.
Even half-way through the album, I feel like the songs are still pretty strong and memorable whereas with RTB, I feel less drawn to them. Also, "Available Light" is one of their best album-closers post-POW/"Mystic Rhythms".
-Marc.
So I'm pretty sure I could make the album cover background in photoshop in ten minutes. Hugh Syme can do great stuff. This is lazy, IMO.
Especially as the small hand isn't in the right place.
Syme seems to be doing crap covers but better in the liners.
So I'm pretty sure I could make the album cover background in photoshop in ten minutes. Hugh Syme can do great stuff. This is lazy, IMO.
Especially as the small hand isn't in the right place.
Syme seems to be doing crap covers but better in the liners.
Didn't people already realize the hands are a nod to 2112? I thought that had gotten around..
So I'm pretty sure I could make the album cover background in photoshop in ten minutes. Hugh Syme can do great stuff. This is lazy, IMO.
Especially as the small hand isn't in the right place.
Syme seems to be doing crap covers but better in the liners.
Didn't people already realize the hands are a nod to 2112? I thought that had gotten around..
That's correct, that was the intention, but when a clock really gets to 21:12 (or 9:12), the hour hand should be a 1/5 past the 9 and 4/5ths from the 10, where as on this image/the cover, the hour hand is right on 9.
-Marc.
This is Rush! They wouldn't fuck that up.
This is Rush! They wouldn't fuck that up.
But Hugh Syme apparently would, as he did.
This is Rush! They wouldn't fuck that up.
But Hugh Syme apparently would, as he did.
did you just ignore everything he wrote? Syme is a good artist, it is possible that this "mistake" was intentional..
And really who cares. All I care about is the music.
No because there was an interview where they said they added an intro to it :biggrin: I quite like it.
This is Rush! They wouldn't fuck that up.
But Hugh Syme apparently would, as he did.
did you just ignore everything he wrote? Syme is a good artist, it is possible that this "mistake" was intentional..
The Mighty Q presents the world album premiere of Rush’s Clockwork Angels, and you could be there when Rush stops by the Q107 World Headquarters!!
Q107 Toronto presents the live, World Album Premiere of Rush’s Clockwork Angels, June 11th at 5pm .. on air and online! Rush in studio.
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Fanpack disc is different to the regular release.What are the differences?
The Garden is such an emotional and beautiful song!
It is my personal favorite at the moment.
The Garden is such an emotional and beautiful song!
It is my personal favorite at the moment.
The Garden is such an emotional and beautiful song!
It is my personal favorite at the moment.
Same here.
Quick check to see if we can get a unanimous vote on something.
Yea or nea, The Garden is the best closing track Rush have done since at least Available Light.
Yea or nea, The Garden is the best closing track Rush have done since at least Available Light.
Fanpack disc is different to the regular release.What are the differences?
The Garden is such an emotional and beautiful song!
It is my personal favorite at the moment.
Same here.
Quick check to see if we can get a unanimous vote on something.
Yea or nea, The Garden is the best closing track Rush have done since at least Available Light.
Listened to the album once, solid I'd say. Didn't really find a song I found particularly good, but on the contrary nothing bad either. I'm guessing it will need more spins, and I will give it more spins when I have some time.
If you don't count Feedback, I'd put Vapor Trails, Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels along with any three album run in their history. (And even with Feedback, I'd still say it would compare favorably to any four album run.)
It still sounds better than Vapor trails, right? ;D
Are there any differences in sound between the CD and the LP?
In Corgan interview, Geddy says they are trying to figure out if they will play all or part of the new album on tour. Around 38 minute mark.
https://soundcloud.com/fmqb-productions/inside-rush-clockwork-angels
I'd like to see them play the first half of the album closing the first set and the second half opening the second set. Though it may bore the casual fans who only know the hits.
Partway through the interview. Found out that Rush does recognize that the intro to Headlong Flight does sound just like Bastille Day; turns out it's intentional, since the lyrics are about reflecting on your past.
I love Everyday Glory!
Yea or nea, The Garden is the best closing track Rush have done since at least Available Light.
Except that Everyday Glory is better than both of them (although I am loving The Garden thus far).
In Corgan interview, Geddy says they are trying to figure out if they will play all or part of the new album on tour. Around 38 minute mark.
https://soundcloud.com/fmqb-productions/inside-rush-clockwork-angels
Are there any differences in sound between the CD and the LP?
Rush is just one of those bands that has a deep reservoir of rocket sauce. A lot of bands- they've only got so much in the bottle. They use it up sometimes in one song. These guys were the real deal. Their bottle was so big and so filled to the brim, they were shaking it literally for decades and still there was sauce coming out.
Yea or nea, The Garden is the best closing track Rush have done since at least Available Light.Definitely. I personally love their album closers from Rush->Presto. Since RTB, the closers have left a lot to be desired. It is great to finally get a good one again.
Wish Them Well is pretty repetitive, and I can see why most reviewers (prior to any of us hearing it) had it pegged as the least best song on the record, but I like it. It is catchy and fun, and is also pretty necessary to the storyline. It's definitely one of my least favorites thus far (along with BU2B and Halo Effect), but there are no weak spots on this record from what I can tell so far. :)
7 song into this and it is much better than S&A.
There's a certain "classic"-ness about this.
I equate it to 1 thing: it actually sounds inspired.
7 song into this and it is much better than S&A.Listening for the first time right now as I chill and get ready to head to the city for Marillion. Sounds good. I am not a fan of Snakes so that's not hard to top for me. Snakes is one of my least favorite Rush albums.
Hello there!(https://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii324/jawkjaw/mixed%20bag/neil-peart-red-rocks-corbis-660-80-1.jpg?t=1339516971)
Welcome to the plane of dharma!
Living in accordance with the plane of dharma is roughly defined as "doing the right thing."
That's it. You all know what it means.
Ride your bike, don't drive your car.
Don't kick the dog because he crapped on the floor.
Who cares?
Always, always, always, always, always, always lift the seat when you go and make...a pee.
Uh oh. That's better.
Just do the right thing.
Or else...YOU'RE GONNA GO TO HELL!
And that's down there.
You can do it!
the beginning of the Wreckers sounds a lot like Working at Perfect from Geddy's solo album... around 0:15 -->The Wreckers is what Power Windows would've sounded like with guitars.
This is what happens when you get a producer that pushes the band and they buy in. He was a little timid on the last album but took the bulls by the horns on this album. Great to see the boys respond like this.Is this the same guy that did S&A? Cool.
Look what I just got in the mail from Burning Shed!!!
*snippppp*
Can't wait to read the whole thing tonight!!!
-Marc.
Picked this up today after resisting the siren call of the leak. Granted, I heard Caravan and BU2B when they were first released as well as on the road, and I checked the Headlong Flight video out and the title track when it was released, but that's all. I just sat down with the CD in the player, and read through the booklet while I listened. The whole thing is great, one of those albums that's greater than the sum of its parts. I love the little prose parts in the lyric book for each song, detailing what's happening in the song and where the story's going. It got me really excited to read the novel when it comes out. The artwork is very evocative and gorgeously done, and I felt quite immersed in the world created by the music and the words.
And on a completely unrelated topic, Headlong Flight has really grown on me (as has much of the album), but does anyone else also get annoyed by the crap that sounds like Mario collecting coins at the one part?
Listening for the first time now. Musically, it is spectacular. But the mixing/production is horrible. The bass sounds awesome, vocals are ok but the guitar and drums sound horrible.
Listening for the first time now. Musically, it is spectacular. But the mixing/production is horrible. The bass sounds awesome, vocals are ok but the guitar and drums sound horrible.
Welcome to kinda the exact post I made like 2 or 3 days ago. :D
Not knockin ya, just humored how you can come to the exact same conclusion.
Listening for the first time now. Musically, it is spectacular. But the mixing/production is horrible. The bass sounds awesome, vocals are ok but the guitar and drums sound horrible.
Welcome to kinda the exact post I made like 2 or 3 days ago. :D
Not knockin ya, just humored how you can come to the exact same conclusion.
I read your post a couple days ago, but that is really the first impression it left on me after a couple songs. There is just no punch to it. Snakes and Arrows's production had so much more of a kick to it. It is kind of making the album feel underwhelming, even though musically it is awesome. I think it is gonna be a grower for that reason.
Tomorrow, I might accidentally buy 2 CD's and the vinyl if all are available.
And on a completely unrelated topic, Headlong Flight has really grown on me (as has much of the album), but does anyone else also get annoyed by the crap that sounds like Mario collecting coins at the one part?
And on a completely unrelated topic, Headlong Flight has really grown on me (as has much of the album), but does anyone else also get annoyed by the crap that sounds like Mario collecting coins at the one part?
What, what, what?!?!? That part is awesome, with that dirty electric playing that cool melody, and it is cool at the end of the song when it plays underneath the first part of the final chorus as well.
Listening for the first time now. Musically, it is spectacular. But the mixing/production is horrible. The bass sounds awesome, vocals are ok but the guitar and drums sound horrible.
Shame, I love the music itself. But the production really is just so.... lame. Still have half of the album left though!
Listening for the first time now. Musically, it is spectacular. But the mixing/production is horrible. The bass sounds awesome, vocals are ok but the guitar and drums sound horrible.
Shame, I love the music itself. But the production really is just so.... lame. Still have half of the album left though!
Post this on TRF, they'll have your balls. :omg:
So after hearing the whole album, I still stand by the setlist I created for the CA tour on page 76, with a few changes:
Freewill
Workin' Them Angels
Distant Early Warning
Manhattan Project
Seven Cities Of Gold
Headlong Flight
The Pass
YYZ
Prime Mover
Closer To The Heart
Dreamline
Caravan
BU2B
Clockwork Angels
The Anarchist
Carnies
Subdivisions
Limelight
Middletown Dreams
The Wreckers
Xanadu
Drum Solo
Tom Sawyer
Far Cry
La Villa Strangiato
The Spirit Of Radio
Encore:
2112
Say what you want about the whole 2112 song for the encore, but the way I see it, they've been playing the first 2 parts a whole step down and it seems to be working for them.....and since temples of syrinx is the hardest part to sing, they could do the rest of the song I think.
Listening for the first time now. Musically, it is spectacular. But the mixing/production is horrible. The bass sounds awesome, vocals are ok but the guitar and drums sound horrible.
Shame, I love the music itself. But the production really is just so.... lame. Still have half of the album left though!
Post this on TRF, they'll have your balls. :omg:
Why, because I like the album or because I hate the production?
I'm so glad my ears can't distinguish between bad production and good production.
I've never had a problem with any album, production wise.
For those keeping track, here's what I've found out about CA's various releases:
-Classic Rock Presents: Rush, Clockwork Angels Fan Pack (CD in larger-than-average Digi-Book Hardcover Case, comes with Poster and key-chain)
-Standard Retail Release Digi-pak (CD artwork itself is different than Fan Pack)
-Standard Retail Release Digi-pak with misprinted Track-Times on the back (All times read 0:00)
-Standard Retail Release Jewel Case (spotted at Wal*Marts, possibly elsewhere)
-2LP Vinyl Gate-fold Cover
-Audiophile 96kHz/24bit format from HDTracks
-Marc.
So after hearing the whole album, I still stand by the setlist I created for the CA tour on page 76, with a few changes:
Freewill
Workin' Them Angels
Distant Early Warning
Manhattan Project
Seven Cities Of Gold
Headlong Flight
The Pass
YYZ
Prime Mover
Closer To The Heart
Dreamline
Caravan
BU2B
Clockwork Angels
The Anarchist
Carnies
Subdivisions
Limelight
Middletown Dreams
The Wreckers
Xanadu
Drum Solo
Tom Sawyer
Far Cry
La Villa Strangiato
The Spirit Of Radio
Encore:
2112
Say what you want about the whole 2112 song for the encore, but the way I see it, they've been playing the first 2 parts a whole step down and it seems to be working for them.....and since temples of syrinx is the hardest part to sing, they could do the rest of the song I think.
Looks great, but way too many songs. With some of the songs on the new album being longer, they could very well go from playing 25-27 songs to 22-23, especially if they play all of 2112 (which takes up 20 minutes).
I don't get the complaints about the drums. I think they punch through pretty clearly when it counts. Halo Effect is the only one I think has a problem...
Does anyone know which version comes on amazon? Want the digi-pak but haven't seen any retailer that specifies the version it carries. Thanks!
I hope they drop Caravan/BU2B for other songs. they played them the last two legs
I hope they drop Caravan/BU2B for other songs. they played them the last two legs
While I share your hope, I find the possibility to be highly unlikely, and doubly unlikely for Caravan.
I don't get the complaints about the drums. I think they punch through pretty clearly when it counts. Halo Effect is the only one I think has a problem...
Me too. I'm so immersed in everything that I don't notice all the things other are nit picking about.
I don't get the complaints about the drums. I think they punch through pretty clearly when it counts. Halo Effect is the only one I think has a problem...
Me too. I'm so immersed in everything that I don't notice all the things other are nit picking about.
I don't get the complaints about the drums. I think they punch through pretty clearly when it counts. Halo Effect is the only one I think has a problem...
Me too. I'm so immersed in everything that I don't notice all the things other are nit picking about.
See, I'm the opposite. With most other bands I probably wouldn't be bothered as much by this, but because it's Rush I take notice to all the little things. No matter how much I ended up liking or disliking this album, it was sure to be my most picked apart of the year.
I don't get the complaints about the drums. I think they punch through pretty clearly when it counts. Halo Effect is the only one I think has a problem...
Me too. I'm so immersed in everything that I don't notice all the things other are nit picking about.
See, I'm the opposite. With most other bands I probably wouldn't be bothered as much by this, but because it's Rush I take notice to all the little things. No matter how much I ended up liking or disliking this album, it was sure to be my most picked apart of the year.
The biggest issue going into this album when it comes to the drums is when you know how the drums are supposed to sound thanks such sonically produced albums like Counterparts, Power Windows, and Hold Your Fire, to name a few. Neil's drumming isn't just a background beat as it is for most bands, he is an essential element to every song written and without his distinctive style and drumming, the song itself does end up sounding unfinished or incomplete. When I hear Hold Your Fire or Counterparts, I just can't get enough of Neil's parts on these albums that I tend to forget about the bass and guitar. So when I heard Vapor Trails and just how muddy the drums were, it was a huge disappointment. But with Snakes and Arrows, the drums were clearer, more pronounced. With CA, I'm reminded of Vapor Trails again with the drums getting muddied, especially when I know he's going all out and especially when I know they could have been produced a lot better than they came out. They're not horrible, but they are definitely a step back from Snakes and Arrows in my mind. Sure it's nitpicking a little, but in the case of Rush and the drums, I think this kind of nitpicking should be obvious. ;)
No, no guys. I heard it too but it's not as bad as VT and the music in downright engaging so I tend to gloss over the nitpicking I would do. It's just the modern music world we live in and I thing to be honest, that's how Rush stays relevent. They stay with the times.
CA could have sounded better, but it's nothing like Vapor Trails; it sounds significantly better.
Nick, young modern producer's style. It's the mordern sound to push the levels. At least the is for the most part, separation in the instruments. That's because of less overdubbing by Alex.
Nick, did you ever think they want this sound? Hey I'm with you on the loudness war but they still might like it.
they are pretty good
No, no guys. I heard it too but it's not as bad as VT and the music in downright engaging so I tend to gloss over the nitpicking I would do. It's just the modern music world we live in and I thing to be honest, that's how Rush stays relevent. They stay with the times.For the past 5-6 years though, aside from pop, the trend has been going the other way, with many bands putting out records with good range and separation. Many have learned from the early 2000s and have stopped doing it. Overcompressing an album isn't 'with the times' at this point. Heck, the trend was already reversing around the time Snakes and Arrows came out.
I wonder if the .FLAC HDTracks are worth it, then, if the production is a bit different on those.Over on MP's forum, a poster said that the HDTracks version isn't much better
Anyone here willing to splurge the $20 for them and let us know?!
-Marc.
I wonder if the .FLAC HDTracks are worth it, then, if the production is a bit different on those.Over on MP's forum, a poster said that the HDTracks version isn't much better
Anyone here willing to splurge the $20 for them and let us know?!
-Marc.
Bravado is incredible. Any opinion other than that is mystifying.
Oh, and while Wish Them Well might not be one of the best songs musically on Clockwork Angels, it is lyrically magnificent. I love how it works in the story, yet can also be taken out and applied to everyday life for many of us.
Bravado is incredible. Any opinion other than that is mystifying.Prepare to be mystified! :D
I can't listen at work but I bet that's the Billy Corgan interview.
Wait, Halo Effect is the least best song here?
That song is great. Much better than BU2B and Wish Them Well at least.
"Wish Them Well" has been said to be catchy, and it really is. I catch myself humming the chorus to myself randomly throughout the day. Some dislike the high-sung title in the chorus, but I think it really adds to the song and the sentiment of it. It's also a very unique song in that it starts with 2 runs of the chorus before going into the first verse!
that's pretty cool that they got Hetfield to do the interview
that's pretty cool that they got Hetfield to do the interview
Another great interview with Alex and Geddy:
https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=175519
I loved Alex's story about running into and meeting his hero, Geddy Lee. :lol :lol :lol
But I am still in shock over how big Alex's bald spot is. :eek :eek :eek
I think Alex should borrow one of Neal's hats. Or maybe wear a wig, but an intentionally obvious, over the top wig.
I think Alex should borrow one of Neal's hats. Or maybe wear a wig, but an intentionally obvious, over the top wig.
The choruses on this album are so strong.
The choruses on this album are so strong.That's great to hear, I'm always into catchy choruses.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/06/18/3168/New-Alex-Lifeson-interview-at-RollingStone.com
Short of it is that approx. 55 minutes of CA will be played live on this tour.
Hints at a 2nd N. American leg to the tour.
They are discussing a lot of older never before or long ago played material to play this tour.
I don't understand why everyone is hating on Wish Them Well. Sure, it's far from the best song on the album, but it's not bad.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/06/18/3168/New-Alex-Lifeson-interview-at-RollingStone.com
Short of it is that approx. 55 minutes of CA will be played live on this tour.
Hints at a 2nd N. American leg to the tour.
They are discussing a lot of older never before or long ago played material to play this tour.
(https://puu.sh/BScx)
Rush readies the "Gangster of Boats" trilogy by dressing as actual gangsters. Neil Peart pictured above.
lol USA Today for formatting their web page like it's a newspaper.
And them now actually talking about bringing a string section on tour!!!!
https://www.billboard.com/news/rush-bringing-string-ensemble-on-tour-1007356152.story#/news/rush-bringing-string-ensemble-on-tour-1007356152.story
If true, perhaps Losing It will finally get played, and Manhattan Project would also be a natural.
This is a fantastic interview with Neil Peart, where he breaks down and talks about each song from Clockwork Angels!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiBKxPlUmg8
This is a fantastic interview with Neil Peart, where he breaks down and talks about each song from Clockwork Angels!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiBKxPlUmg8
Cool interview.
I wouldn't mind hearing the entire album on this tour. They can do six songs in each set.
After careful consideration I am now willing to proclaim Clockwork the best Rush album in many years.Why would that proclamation require "careful consideration"? It's pretty obvious.
19. Since Counterparts.I agree with that.
I say, "careful consideration" because every time Rush releases an album I get over zealous about it. I am a diehard fan so I look at them through rose colored glasses at times. I wanted to really absorb the record before jumping to the conclusion I came to very early. Its amazing.After careful consideration I am now willing to proclaim Clockwork the best Rush album in many years.Why would that proclamation require "careful consideration"? It's pretty obvious.
And exactly how many years, would you say?
I say, "careful consideration" because every time Rush releases an album I get over zealous about it. I am a diehard fan so I look at them through rose colored glasses at times. I wanted to really absorb the record before jumping to the conclusion I came to very early. Its amazing.After careful consideration I am now willing to proclaim Clockwork the best Rush album in many years.Why would that proclamation require "careful consideration"? It's pretty obvious.
And exactly how many years, would you say?
And them now actually talking about bringing a string section on tour!!!!
https://www.billboard.com/news/rush-bringing-string-ensemble-on-tour-1007356152.story#/news/rush-bringing-string-ensemble-on-tour-1007356152.story
If true, perhaps Losing It will finally get played, and Manhattan Project would also be a natural.
How about adding a choir so they could do the most epic version of Marathon ever? ;DThat'd be awesome.
and its my favorite since Presto.
I've always liked Presto more than Roll The Bones.Presto was essentially the album that got me back into Rush, after basically an 8 year absence through the 80's. That is why I was so disppointed with Roll The Bones. I was prepared to be amazed but they just mailed that one in.
I've always liked Presto more than Roll The Bones.much more, personally.
That is why I was so disppointed with Roll The Bones. I was prepared to be amazed but they just mailed that one in.
Yeah, I don't believe Rush ever mails anything in. You may not always like the direction completely, but I think they just want to stay fresh and relevant. RTB does have too many filler type songs, imo, but its not a bad album. It just hasn't aged that well for me.That is why I was so disppointed with Roll The Bones. I was prepared to be amazed but they just mailed that one in.
I cannot agree with that? Dreamline sounds mailed in? Bravado? Ghost of a Chance? Really?
I am not saying Roll the Bones is perfect, but mailed in? No way.
It has more filler on it than any other Rush album and yes I'm looking at Bravado.That is why I was so disppointed with Roll The Bones. I was prepared to be amazed but they just mailed that one in.
I cannot agree with that. Dreamline sounds mailed in? Bravado? Ghost of a Chance? Really?
I am not saying Roll the Bones is perfect, but mailed in? No way.
After careful consideration I am now willing to proclaim Clockwork the best Rush album in many years. The layers of depth in each song are amazing. Its a classic!
That's cool. Its all good.After careful consideration I am now willing to proclaim Clockwork the best Rush album in many years. The layers of depth in each song are amazing. Its a classic!
I prefer Vapor Trails over this album by miles but it is better than S&A
I think the Garden is guaranteed a slot on the tour, since every interview with Geddy has mentioned how proud he is of that song, and (at least here) fan response to it has been incredibly positive.My favorite track on the album. Love it!
I think the Garden is guaranteed a slot on the tour, since every interview with Geddy has mentioned how proud he is of that song, and (at least here) fan response to it has been incredibly positive.
TAC, we can agree to disagree. :)
TAC, we can agree to disagree. :)
Also, who else wants to see Alex sing lead vocals on I Think I'm Going Bald? :lol :lol
I think that's true most of the time with us fan boys. At first I'm in love with everything but over time, if it's a great album, it has legs for me. Certain albums get more spins that I connect with.
I'll say it again: I like Presto more, but RTB is a better record.Presto came along at a magical time in my life. Pun intended. I love that album a lot.
Since they're bringing an orchestra on tour, I hope they do play Losing It. The one song I want to hear most.
"Losing It" would be a great piece to perform. I'm hoping there's a couple more pieces from the last 6 studio albums that they can pull out and utilize the strings properly for an awesome performance. There are 29 songs that have gone unplayed between Presto and S&A, while only 15 from Rush to HYF. If Geddy's voice has an issue with covering older material, I wouldn't mind seeing them pull out some deep tracks from the last 6 albums.
-Marc.
"Losing It" would be a great piece to perform. I'm hoping there's a couple more pieces from the last 6 studio albums that they can pull out and utilize the strings properly for an awesome performance. There are 29 songs that have gone unplayed between Presto and S&A, while only 15 from Rush to HYF. If Geddy's voice has an issue with covering older material, I wouldn't mind seeing them pull out some deep tracks from the last 6 albums.
-Marc.
Wow, nice job with the stats, M.
I LOVE Losing It.
"Losing It" would be a great piece to perform. I'm hoping there's a couple more pieces from the last 6 studio albums that they can pull out and utilize the strings properly for an awesome performance. There are 29 songs that have gone unplayed between Presto and S&A, while only 15 from Rush to HYF. If Geddy's voice has an issue with covering older material, I wouldn't mind seeing them pull out some deep tracks from the last 6 albums.
-Marc.
Wow, nice job with the stats, M.
I LOVE Losing It.
"Losing It" would be a great piece to perform. I'm hoping there's a couple more pieces from the last 6 studio albums that they can pull out and utilize the strings properly for an awesome performance. There are 29 songs that have gone unplayed between Presto and S&A, while only 15 from Rush to HYF. If Geddy's voice has an issue with covering older material, I wouldn't mind seeing them pull out some deep tracks from the last 6 albums.
-Marc.
Wow, nice job with the stats, M.
I LOVE Losing It.
I also love Losing it.
I'll say it again: I like Presto more, but RTB is a better record.Presto came along at a magical time in my life. Pun intended. I love that album a lot.
How can you like one record more yet declare the one you don't like as much the superior record?
That does not compute well for me.
I mean, it's highly likely that I have a biased personal connection to it, but The Pass I think is better than anything on Roll the Bones, save maybe 1 track.
I mean, it's highly likely that I have a biased personal connection to it, but The Pass I think is better than anything on Roll the Bones, save maybe 1 track.
Only if that one track is "Bravado". And speaking of which, the one-two punch of "The Pass"/"Bravado" on Rush In Rio is one of my absolute favorites ever.
-Marc.
I mean, it's highly likely that I have a biased personal connection to it, but The Pass I think is better than anything on Roll the Bones, save maybe 1 track.
Just listened to "Between Sun And Moon" and it has strings...would be a great choice for the CA Tour, especially since it was played 10 years ago for the VT Tour. And now my listening of Counterparts continues...
-Marc.
Just listened to "Between Sun And Moon" and it has strings...would be a great choice for the CA Tour, especially since it was played 10 years ago for the VT Tour. And now my listening of Counterparts continues...
-Marc.
I'm selfish. I saw it already and there are a few on Counterparts they haven't played yet so I'd like to see others like Alien Shore and Cut To The Chase.
The end of Nobody's Hero has strings as well, and that hasn't been played since the 90s, so that is a strong possibility as well.
I'm surprised to see, Cut To The Chase, and Sweet Miracle on that list. I feel like I've head them live.
"Losing It" would be a great piece to perform. I'm hoping there's a couple more pieces from the last 6 studio albums that they can pull out and utilize the strings properly for an awesome performance. There are 29 songs that have gone unplayed between Presto and S&A, while only 15 from Rush to HYF. If Geddy's voice has an issue with covering older material, I wouldn't mind seeing them pull out some deep tracks from the last 6 albums.
-Marc.
Wow, nice job with the stats, M.
I LOVE Losing It.
Thanks! To be honest, all I did was count the tracks listen on the Power Windows website. Here's the full list:
ALBUM TRACKS NEVER PERFORMED LIVE
Take A Friend
Before And After
Making Memories
Rivendell
The Fountain Of Lamneth*
Lessons
Tears
Madrigal
Different Strings
Losing It
Emotion Detector
Open Secrets
Second Nature
Tai Shan
High Water
Chain Lighting
Anagram
Red Tide
Hand Over Fist
Available Light
Face Up
The Big Wheel
Heresy
Neurotica
You Bet Your Life
Cut To The Chase
Alien Shore
Speed Of Love
Everyday Glory
The Color Of Right
Totem
Dog Years
Carve Away The Stone
Peaceable Kingdom
The Stars Look Down
How It Is
Vapor Trail
Sweet Miracle
Nocturne
Freeze
Out Of The Cradle
Bravest Face
Good News First
We Hold On
*Unknown, as no authentic COS Tour headline setlists have been found
As you can see, starting with Hold Your Fire, they started playing half (or less) of the songs on each new album's tour, with the only exceptions being Test For Echo (7 out of 11 played live) and Snakes & Arrows (9 out of 13 played live, then 10 counting "Faithless" on the next tour).
Before Hold Your Fire, every album had nearly all their songs played live at some point, either for that album's tour or afterwards (like with "Witch Hunt"). Only Hemispheres, Moving Pictures and Grace Under Pressure have the honor of being the only albums to have all their songs played live at one tour or another, and in the case of the first and last of those, on the tour for their album.
Only 11 songs from their debut to Power Windows (11 albums) had never been played live, an average of one song per album. From Hold Your Fire onward, 33 songs haven't been played live, over 6 albums, an average of 5.5 songs per album, and in the case of Presto, Counterparts and Test For Echo, that's exactly half of the album.
Eventually, I would enjoy seeing/hearing them pull out many of those 33 tracks for the live show, if only because Geddy's aging voice may limit him to which older tracks (i.e. from before Moving Pictures) can still be sung without dropping the song a whole step or more (like they did with "Circumstances" and "Entre Nous").
-Marc.
I listened to Clockwork Angels for the first time last evening, and as much as it pains me to say that, I am quite underwhelmed, especially after hearing all the praise here on the forums. Nothing is really bad (though I don't care much BU2B2), but it's also not really memorable. I'll be listening today, after school again - I really want to like this album, actually.
Did anyone initially have the same problems?
You have to figure that before HyF, there were only like, 8 songs per album, and not 11, 13, etc
I listened to Clockwork Angels for the first time last evening, and as much as it pains me to say that, I am quite underwhelmed, especially after hearing all the praise here on the forums. Nothing is really bad (though I don't care much BU2B2), but it's also not really memorable. I'll be listening today, after school again - I really want to like this album, actually.Personally, I never draw conclusions on the first listen of a Rush album. Come back after 10 listens and give me your thoughts. Then at least in my mind they will be legit. Too much going on in each song to form much of an opinion after one listen. At least in my opinion.
Did anyone initially have the same problems?
They said that some of the VT songs fell into the "studio only" camp because of the way they were recorded and whatnot, Peaceable Kingdom being one of them. I suspect they worry about some of the songs losing their power by having only one guitar live, as opposed to the wall of guitars that comes at you on the studio versions.
They said that some of the VT songs fell into the "studio only" camp because of the way they were recorded and whatnot, Peaceable Kingdom being one of them. I suspect they worry about some of the songs losing their power by having only one guitar live, as opposed to the wall of guitars that comes at you on the studio versions.HEAVY STRINGS!!!! :metal
And how much will the fanbase flip out if Roll the Bones comes back? :lol :lol
And how much will the fanbase flip out if Roll the Bones comes back? :lol :lol
Jack, relax.
I'd also like to add that "Good News First" might sound great with a string ensemble on it.NO MORE SNAKES AND ARROWS!!!!
-Marc.
Well, you have to pee at some point.And how much will the fanbase flip out if Roll the Bones comes back? :lol :lol
Jack, relax.
Well, you have to pee at some point.And how much will the fanbase flip out if Roll the Bones comes back? :lol :lol
Jack, relax.
Yeah, RtB needs to stay retired.
What's wrong with Roll the bones?
What's wrong with Roll the bones?
Nothing. It's just been played on too many tours in a row. Need to give it some rest for other songs.
cool to see CD's with a large fraction of the sales. last tuesday me and my dad went to best buy after to work and there were quite a few dudes just getting out of work with their suits on picking it up as well
Exactly! :lolWell, you have to pee at some point.And how much will the fanbase flip out if Roll the Bones comes back? :lol :lol
Jack, relax.
Hooray young bladder!
Hooray young bladder!I've been pissin up a storm at concerts since I was young.
Hooray young bladder!I've been pissin up a storm at concerts since I was young.
cool to see CD's with a large fraction of the sales. last tuesday me and my dad went to best buy after to work and there were quite a few dudes just getting out of work with their suits on picking it up as well
Rush fan base. :lol
cool to see CD's with a large fraction of the sales. last tuesday me and my dad went to best buy after to work and there were quite a few dudes just getting out of work with their suits on picking it up as well
Rush fan base. :lol
I'm only 20 and that was me, too. :lol
I was poor. I just was never good with my bladded when I went out. Even in my early 20's my friends called me, "Pissman" :biggrin:Hooray young bladder!I've been pissin up a storm at concerts since I was young.
Hooray for being poor any never buying beer/soda while at shows!
What's wrong with Roll the bones?
Nothing. It's just been played on too many tours in a row. Need to give it some rest for other songs.
Yeah, it's all just for bragging rights among fans. I'm sure Rush is mostly interested in whether or not fans like the new album, maybe mildly interested in actual numbers, and not interested at all in whether they outsold some other band or singer who has also released something recently.Well said.
I listened to Clockwork Angels for the first time last evening, and as much as it pains me to say that, I am quite underwhelmed, especially after hearing all the praise here on the forums. Nothing is really bad (though I don't care much BU2B2), but it's also not really memorable. I'll be listening today, after school again - I really want to like this album, actually.
Did anyone initially have the same problems?
I did. First impression was "Ah yes, the modern Rush sound." Dense, driving, heavy, and Geddy of course singing in his lower register because that's his voice now.
As I got a few more tracks into it, I noticed that the guys were really wailing, Neil was pounding, Alex was screaming, Geddy was thumping, but somehow nothing really leaped out. It's the production. It smushes everything down into a thick paste where everything in it is awesome, but the net result is kinduv blah.
After four listens, I've concluded that like many Rush albums, fantastic playing has been marred by crummy sound quality. I concluded that when I found myself already looking forward to the live versions of songs, where they'd be able to breathe and really come to life.
Nothing jumps out and grabs you because nothing can. As much as the guys are firing on all eight, it still feels restrained and held back, which makes no sense. This may be the sound they're really looking for, but I can't agree with it.
Great interview with Geddy and Billy Corgan. Talking about the music business today. The next part is going to be about the loudness war and concept albums.
https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/interview-geddy-lee-and-billy-corgan-talk-albums-vs-singles-549792
Orbert:
Nothing jumps out and grabs you because nothing can. As much as the guys are firing on all eight, it still feels restrained and held back, which makes no sense. This may be the sound they're really looking for, but I can't agree with it.
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Nothing jumps out and grabs you because nothing can. As much as the guys are firing on all eight, it still feels restrained and held back, which makes no sense. This may be the sound they're really looking for, but I can't agree with it.
Yeah, it's kind of a rough listen that way.
Fortunately, you can almost get lost in it to the point where it doesn't bother you so much. There is quite a bit going on in there. If they use the same live rig setup as they did last time, it's going to sound otherworldly.
For those who have been dismayed by the production on CA, Geddy talks a bit about the mastering in this interview:
https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/geddy-lee-and-billy-corgan-on-concept-albums-jamming-singing-and-more-550329/
It really is baffling that they are so aware of the loudness dynamic, yet they still allowed it to be a part of Clockwork Angels. It's almost like they said, "It's the way things are now with most bands, so we just went along with it." It's disappointing. Again, the album doesn't sound bad by any means, but it could have sounded better. And it should have.
It really is frustrating. I listened to a bit of it on the way home a while ago, and some songs definitely suffer more than others. And that first big chord Alex plays in the title track (around the 0:32 mark) is enough to make your eyes bleed, regardless of volume. Even having the volume down low, it is still hard on the ears.
It really is frustrating. I listened to a bit of it on the way home a while ago, and some songs definitely suffer more than others. And that first big chord Alex plays in the title track (around the 0:32 mark) is enough to make your eyes bleed, regardless of volume. Even having the volume down low, it is still hard on the ears.
To amend this slightly, I should have pointed out that this mostly applies when I listen to the CD in the car. While still not perfect, the CD sounds more than good enough on my home stereo and my computer speakers, but not in the car. Maybe my car speakers can't handle those bass pedals, and the result is too much distortion, but some of the songs are simply difficult listens on my car stereo.
Great list. I loved seeing the Radiohead and Fleet Foxes records in there! :coolio
There is a real controversy surrounding the band’s 2002 album “Vapor Trails” inasmuch as it’s one of those albums that seems to have been mastered “loud.” What are your thoughts on that album now, and would you approach it differently were you to re-master it?
That album for what it was … is what it was. You can’t really judge it. It was what they all came up with at that time. Had it been different, who knows, it may not have been as good.
What the crap does this even mean? The only way to interpret this is that he gave the PC answer, not wanting to piss off whoever else was involved in that train wreck.
Though I think the "..." was very telling.
I feel like I can't accurately judge it until the production is improved.
I feel like I can't accurately judge it until the production is improved.
This is a bogus statement. You can tell how good the songs are, as well as the instrumentation as well as the writing.
I feel like I can't accurately judge it until the production is improved.
This is a bogus statement. You can tell how good the songs are, as well as the instrumentation as well as the writing.
Gave it about 4 listens and I just don't like it. I want my 11.99 back, this album is rubbish for the Rush fanboys.
Gave it about 4 listens and I just don't like it. I want my 11.99 back, this album is rubbish for the Rush fanboys.
Gave it about 4 listens and I just don't like it. I want my 11.99 back, this album is rubbish for the Rush fanboys.
I have been a Rush fanboy since 1982...and I do not consider it to be rubbish at all...
Gave it about 4 listens and I just don't like it. I want my 11.99 back, this album is rubbish for the Rush fanboys.
I have been a Rush fanboy since 1982...and I do not consider it to be rubbish at all...
Well being a fanboy since 1982 might make you a little biased don't you think? The mix and mastering sucks, the songs are uninspiring, and the whole thing just doesn't come together right.
Knock that fanboy shit off. Just because you have been a fan for a long time doesn't make you a fanboy, especially in the condescending way you are putting it. Believe it or not, most Rush fans are not sheep who will lap up any and everything the band puts out. So, get real.The album sucks, period. Only a fanboy would think this garbage is good. Sure it has its moments but from the mixing to the overall songs the thing just sucks. Can't even hear Peart's snare, and the bass is way up front.
Gave it about 4 listens and I just don't like it. I want my 11.99 back, this album is rubbish for the Rush fanboys.
I have been a Rush fanboy since 1982...and I do not consider it to be rubbish at all...
Well being a fanboy since 1982 might make you a little biased don't you think? The mix and mastering sucks, the songs are uninspiring, and the whole thing just doesn't come together right.
I re-read your previous post 2x, and I think you mean that the new album is rubbish meant to be shoveled at the Rush fanboys because they will purchase anything "Rush", am I interpreting you correctly?
Otherwise, it sounds like you are saying that Rush fanboys will consider CA to be "rubbish".
"SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS"Knock that fanboy shit off. Just because you have been a fan for a long time doesn't make you a fanboy, especially in the condescending way you are putting it. Believe it or not, most Rush fans are not sheep who will lap up any and everything the band puts out. So, get real.The album sucks, period. Only a fanboy would think this garbage is good. Sure it has its moments but from the mixing to the overall songs the thing just sucks. Can't even hear Peart's snare, and the bass is way up front.
I'll rephrase what I said earlier. This album is only for Rush fans. I'm not a fan past their 80's stuff and I hoped this album would make me a believer considering the hype, but so far after at least 4 listens, it hasn't grown into me. No way I'm gonna force myself to like this. If I don't like it by now, I'm never going to like it.
The album sucks, perio$. Only a fanboy would think this garbage is good. Sure it has its moments but from the mixing to the overall songs the thing just sucks. Can't even hear Peart's snare, and the bass is way up front.
I'll rephrase what I said earlier. This album is only for Rush fans. I'm not a fan past their 80's stuff and I hoped this album would make me a believer considering the hype, but so far after at least 4 listens, it hasn't grown into me. No way I'm gonna force myself to like this. If I don't like it by now, I'm never going to like it.
Knock that fanboy shit off. Just because you have been a fan for a long time doesn't make you a fanboy, especially in the condescending way you are putting it. Believe it or not, most Rush fans are not sheep who will lap up any and everything the band puts out. So, get real.The album sucks, period. Only a fanboy would think this garbage is good. Sure it has its moments but from the mixing to the overall songs the thing just sucks. Can't even hear Peart's snare, and the bass is way up front.
I'll rephrase what I said earlier. This album is only for Rush fans. I'm not a fan past their 80's stuff and I hoped this album would make me a believer considering the hype, but so far after at least 4 listens, it hasn't grown into me. No way I'm gonna force myself to like this. If I don't like it by now, I'm never going to like it.
Knock that fanboy shit off. Just because you have been a fan for a long time doesn't make you a fanboy, especially in the condescending way you are putting it. Believe it or not, most Rush fans are not sheep who will lap up any and everything the band puts out. So, get real.The album sucks, period. Only a fanboy would think this garbage is good. Sure it has its moments but from the mixing to the overall songs the thing just sucks. Can't even hear Peart's snare, and the bass is way up front.
I'll rephrase what I said earlier. This album is only for Rush fans. I'm not a fan past their 80's stuff and I hoped this album would make me a believer considering the hype, but so far after at least 4 listens, it hasn't grown into me. No way I'm gonna force myself to like this. If I don't like it by now, I'm never going to like it.
You are a silly person, and quite an arrogant one at that as well.
Here, I'll play your game: This album rules, period. End of story. Choke on it.
Choke on it.New signature.
theneedledrop reviewed Clockwork Angels. Which is a surprise, because I didn't think he liked Rush.Oh my God, this just came out and I just listened to the album for the first time. I have to see this, the guy puts out some great reviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHhdSJLmdu8
Knock that fanboy shit off. Just because you have been a fan for a long time doesn't make you a fanboy, especially in the condescending way you are putting it. Believe it or not, most Rush fans are not sheep who will lap up any and everything the band puts out. So, get real.The album sucks, period. Only a fanboy would think this garbage is good. Sure it has its moments but from the mixing to the overall songs the thing just sucks. Can't even hear Peart's snare, and the bass is way up front.
I'll rephrase what I said earlier. This album is only for Rush fans. I'm not a fan past their 80's stuff and I hoped this album would make me a believer considering the hype, but so far after at least 4 listens, it hasn't grown into me. No way I'm gonna force myself to like this. If I don't like it by now, I'm never going to like it.
You are a silly person, and quite an arrogant one at that as well.
Here, I'll play your game: This album rules, period. End of story. Choke on it.
Voicing my opinion makes me arrogant?
Sorry I disrupted the circle jerk with my negative opinion, but Rush is a band I respect a lot and it highly disappointed me this time.It's not that you didn't like the album, it's that the way you expressed your opinion makes you sound like an ass.
Knock that fanboy shit off. Just because you have been a fan for a long time doesn't make you a fanboy, especially in the condescending way you are putting it. Believe it or not, most Rush fans are not sheep who will lap up any and everything the band puts out. So, get real.The album sucks, period. Only a fanboy would think this garbage is good. Sure it has its moments but from the mixing to the overall songs the thing just sucks. Can't even hear Peart's snare, and the bass is way up front.
I'll rephrase what I said earlier. This album is only for Rush fans. I'm not a fan past their 80's stuff and I hoped this album would make me a believer considering the hype, but so far after at least 4 listens, it hasn't grown into me. No way I'm gonna force myself to like this. If I don't like it by now, I'm never going to like it.
You are a silly person, and quite an arrogant one at that as well.
Here, I'll play your game: This album rules, period. End of story. Choke on it.
Voicing my opinion makes me arrogant? I think the album sucks and if anything I'm not the one choking here. I must agree that the basslines are good and just about the only thing that sounds Rush. But IMO the production is terrible, the songs are "meh" and the album sounds very dated and irrelevant.
Sorry I disrupted the circle jerk with my negative opinion, but Rush is a band I respect a lot and it highly disappointed me this time.
Let's see....Low post count....antagonistic to a loyal fan base....Sure because I don't live here and have a gazzillion posts then I guess I must be a troll. :roll:
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IMO if an album doesn't seem good by the third listen, then by the fourth or fifth listen you're forcing yourself to like it.
For fuck's sake, do you not know how to read? Everybody has been saying the same thing, and you still don't get it.
Your opinion is not that different from many others. It's the way you present it. You're not just presenting a strong negative opinion; you're presenting it arrogantly, stating opinions as though they were facts, and literally ignoring anyone who tells you so (which is pretty much everyone).
You fucking whine "Oh, I have a negative opinion so everyone's jumping on my case!" No. People are jumping on your case because you're acting like an asshole. If you took the time to actually read what's being said here, you'd know that.
You're allowed to dislike something that's considered a masterpiece by most, you know that right. Just because most consider something a masterpiece, doesn't mean it's a masterpiece for everyone, and if you disagree then you're wrong. For example, most die hard Metallica fans place MOP as their greatest album, and AJFA their most creative. I disagree with the former and Completely agree with the latter. But just because I don't care much for MOP, doesn't mean I'm wrong for not liking what many consider one of the greatest thrash metal albums of all time. It simply means I have an opinion that's different to most. I was clear that it was my opinion that if you don't like an album by the third listen or so, then you're probably forcing yourself to like it.IMO if an album doesn't seem good by the third listen, then by the fourth or fifth listen you're forcing yourself to like it.
I hated almost all of Ride the Lightning for the first 4 months I owned it. Only Creeping Death kept me coming back.
hmmm....must have been a really bad album after all. I see the light now. Thank you. You've helped me to see that after 20 some odd listens, I was only forcing myself to like what is obviously a worthless pile of dung, and not (in fact) one of the greatest metal masterpieces of all time.
I don't know what I would have done without your enlightenment. I am forever in your debt. I'm off to cast to the flames at least 60% of the greatest albums I've ever heard in my life...because I've obviously been fooling myself all this time.
:hefdaddy
I'm done here. I shouldn't have voiced my strong negative opinion in a Rush fan thread.
I would not have known this album sounded bad if it wasn't for this thread.
So, at this point, I am gonna have to assume anyone saying the CD sounds bad simply hasn't listened to it on a good stereo yet.
So, at this point, I am gonna have to assume anyone saying the CD sounds bad simply hasn't listened to it on a good stereo yet.
No.
Okay, so, I was at a friends's last night, and we cranked up Clockwork Angels on his stereo (he is an audiophile and has has a magnificent-sounding stereo for as long as I have known him, which is 20+ years now), and I have to say that it sounded quite good. Yes, it still could have sounded a little better, but the bottom line is that the mix/production is not bad or anything close to that; it is simply a matter of listening to it on a good system. Like I said before, most basic car systems are not gonna have enough power to handle all of the low bass on the album, hence it distorting it and making it sound very muddy in that environment. But on a great stereo, Clockwork Angels sounds good; not great, not bad, but good. So, at this point, I am gonna have to assume anyone saying the CD sounds bad simply hasn't listened to it on a good stereo yet. In this day and age of iTunes and iPods, I'll bet that is a lot of people.
So, lemme get this straight... if a person has a sound system that he is happy with, that provides good sound on all of his albums... put he puts on CA and it sounds kinda crummy, it's the sound system's fault? ???
So, lemme get this straight... if a person has a sound system that he is happy with, that provides good sound on all of his albums... put he puts on CA and it sounds kinda crummy, it's the sound system's fault? ???
Um, yes. ;) :biggrin:
But to reiterate, I am not saying it sounds great; it doesn't. It still sounds like a muddy mess in my car if I crank it up at all. But on a good stereo, it sounds good, not bad or terrible like some would have us think. That is all I am saying. On a scale of 1-10, I'd say it is about a 6 (most PT records being a 9 or 10, and Vapor Trails being a 1 or 2, for comparison's sake).
So, lemme get this straight... if a person has a sound system that he is happy with, that provides good sound on all of his albums... but he puts on CA and it sounds kinda crummy, it's the sound system's fault? ???
Um, yes. ;) :biggrin:
But to reiterate, I am not saying it sounds great; it doesn't. It still sounds like a muddy mess in my car if I crank it up at all. But on a good stereo, it sounds good, not bad or terrible like some would have us think. That is all I am saying. On a scale of 1-10, I'd say it is about a 6 (most PT records being a 9 or 10, and Vapor Trails being a 1 or 2, for comparison's sake).
I've heard CA on two different high end stereo setups, and I've listened to it quite a bit with a good pair of Sennheiser headphones. It's far from terrible, but even at its best, it sounds much flatter than it should, and lacks punch.
I love the album, and the sound quality isn't bad enough to ruin my enjoyment, but it's just disappointing for a band like Rush to settle for this sort of mastering, especially when good mastering could have given it an extra kick. It's far from bad, but the problem is noticeable. It's not just an issue of listening to it on muddy car speakers.
I've heard CA on two different high end stereo setups, and I've listened to it quite a bit with a good pair of Sennheiser headphones. It's far from terrible, but even at its best, it sounds much flatter than it should, and lacks punch.
I love the album, and the sound quality isn't bad enough to ruin my enjoyment, but it's just disappointing for a band like Rush to settle for this sort of mastering, especially when good mastering could have given it an extra kick. It's far from bad, but the problem is noticeable. It's not just an issue of listening to it on muddy car speakers.
It's not like they haven't had poor sounding albums before though. throughout their long career there's been a few. CoS, Hemispheres, Signals, Presto, VT... some of those albums are great but the production/mix/master had issues for me. Shame they compromised. They are Rush ffs- they should get what they want.
One of the catchiest tunes on here is Wish them well, but I didn't see a lot of appreciation for it here. Why is that?
I've heard CA on two different high end stereo setups, and I've listened to it quite a bit with a good pair of Sennheiser headphones. It's far from terrible, but even at its best, it sounds much flatter than it should, and lacks punch.
I love the album, and the sound quality isn't bad enough to ruin my enjoyment, but it's just disappointing for a band like Rush to settle for this sort of mastering, especially when good mastering could have given it an extra kick. It's far from bad, but the problem is noticeable. It's not just an issue of listening to it on muddy car speakers.
It's not like they haven't had poor sounding albums before though. throughout their long career there's been a few. CoS, Hemispheres, Signals, Presto, VT... some of those albums are great but the production/mix/master had issues for me. Shame they compromised. They are Rush ffs- they should get what they want.
Since there's several editions of all these albums, it gets kind of inconsistent. What with the originals, remasters, sector 1, gold-plated etc.
With the older stuff, I never really had an issue with the mix, but I always thought Signals sounded pretty flat, it needed some EQ to shine. Exit Stage Left has always sounded blah to me.
I'm more in love with this album than I was with S&A
f'real
I'm more in love with this album than I was with S&A
f'real
IMO CA blows away S&A.
I'm more in love with this album than I was with S&A
f'real
I'm more in love with this album than I was with S&A
f'real
Oh yeah, it really isn't close. I liked S&A a ton when it came out, and still enjoy most of it a lot, but Clockwork Angels is a whole different animal.
Okay, so, I was at a friends's last night, and we cranked up Clockwork Angels on his stereo (he is an audiophile and has has a magnificent-sounding stereo for as long as I have known him, which is 20+ years now), and I have to say that it sounded quite good. Yes, it still could have sounded a little better, but the bottom line is that the mix/production is not bad or anything close to that; it is simply a matter of listening to it on a good system. Like I said before, most basic car systems are not gonna have enough power to handle all of the low bass on the album, hence it distorting it and making it sound very muddy in that environment. But on a great stereo, Clockwork Angels sounds good; not great, not bad, but good. So, at this point, I am gonna have to assume anyone saying the CD sounds bad simply hasn't listened to it on a good stereo yet. In this day and age of iTunes and iPods, I'll bet that is a lot of people.Yeah, I agree with this.
I think it's safe to say though that with a band like Rush, a notable percentage of fans are going to be listening to the album on at least decent speakers or headphones.
Yes. I did include 'decent headphones' there.I think it's safe to say though that with a band like Rush, a notable percentage of fans are going to be listening to the album on at least decent speakers or headphones.
funny you say that but I'm a 44 year old and I listen to most of my music on my computer at work or when I'm driving. When you get older it's harder to sit down and just crank the tunes on the stereo. Life get busy when you're older.
I think it's safe to say though that with a band like Rush, a notable percentage of fans are going to be listening to the album on at least decent speakers or headphones.
funny you say that but I'm a 44 year old and I listen to most of my music on my computer at work or when I'm driving. When you get older it's harder to sit down and just crank the tunes on the stereo. Life get busy when you're older.
I've heard CA on two different high end stereo setups, and I've listened to it quite a bit with a good pair of Sennheiser headphones. It's far from terrible, but even at its best, it sounds much flatter than it should, and lacks punch.
I love the album, and the sound quality isn't bad enough to ruin my enjoyment, but it's just disappointing for a band like Rush to settle for this sort of mastering, especially when good mastering could have given it an extra kick. It's far from bad, but the problem is noticeable. It's not just an issue of listening to it on muddy car speakers.
It's not like they haven't had poor sounding albums before though. throughout their long career there's been a few. CoS, Hemispheres, Signals, Presto, VT... some of those albums are great but the production/mix/master had issues for me. Shame they compromised. They are Rush ffs- they should get what they want.
Since there's several editions of all these albums, it gets kind of inconsistent. What with the originals, remasters, sector 1, gold-plated etc.
With the older stuff, I never really had an issue with the mix, but I always thought Signals sounded pretty flat, it needed some EQ to shine. Exit Stage Left has always sounded blah to me.
You know the remaster of Signals I payed $6.99 for sounds better than the $25 dollar Gold Disk version. The thing that makes the gold disk cool though is the missing line from "The Weapon".
I rip lossless to my iPod for the first several listens of any new album,
ITunes lets you rip into the Apple Lossless format.I rip lossless to my iPod for the first several listens of any new album,
Lossless on your iPod? How?
One of my favorite albums, and one of the best-sounding albums I've ever heard, is The Cars. They actually took the masters and played them in the car while driving around to see how the album sounded. They reasoned that if it sounds good in your car, on mediocre speakers, it's gonna sound good anywhere. And they're right; it sounds great in my car, and fantastic on my home stereo.
I'm not saying that that's the way all albums should be produced, but there is such a thing as keeping your target audience, and the likely playback conditions, in mind. If you listen to an album on a high-end system and still only give it a 6, there's something wrong.
I am at the Hard Rock Hotel in Las Vegas. They have possibly the best music playing of any store/casino/restaurant anywhere. Just a great mix.
Anyway, since i've been here, i've heard:
Distant Early Warning
Red Barchetta
YYZ
Big Money
Mixed in with a lot of more popular rock bands/tracks from the past 30yrs. Makes me smile ;D
Signals - Subdivisions
Grace Under Pressure - Between The Wheels
Power Windows - The Big Money
Signals - Subdivisions
Grace Under Pressure - Between The Wheels
Power Windows - The Big Money
really, hoping we get to hear these with strings. I think it could be really good.
Hey Marc, by the way, your cd's are in the mail as of yesterday.
So with the coming tour and the inclusion of a small string ensemble on stage, I've been thinking about which songs from Signals onward would utilize the strings well, especially since the boys have typically been playing 1-2 songs from every album each tour from Signals to Test For Echo, and in some cases, none at all.
Signals - Subdivisions, Losing It
Grace Under Pressure - The Body Electric, Between The Wheels
Power Windows - The Big Money, Manhattan Project
Hold Your Fire - Open Secrets, Lock And Key
Presto - War Paint, Red Tide
Roll The Bones - Face Up, The Big Wheel
Counterparts - Nobody's Hero, Between Sun & Moon
Test For Echo - Time And Motion, Limbo
-Marc.
ive been asked before at school what frat i was in because i was wearing my Time Machine tour shirt
ive been asked before at school what frat i was in because i was wearing my Time Machine tour shirt
You should have made one up - Lifea-Pearta-Gedda.
Or something like that. :lol
Just stumbled on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=dFpI4FsjVp4&NR=1
WTF? :lol
rumborak
I think I'd rather have the manifestation of the concept left to my imagination rather then have everything spelled out in novel form.