Ridley really only seems to acknowledge Alien and Aliens.He's not the only one.
Add me to that list. Was very let down by Alien 3, and all the others....well.... :tdwnRidley really only seems to acknowledge Alien and Aliens.He's not the only one.
I guess it's time for me to get around to seeing the Alien movies.
Do you need to see the Alien movies to get this new one?
Aliens is in my top 5 favorite movies ever.
I guess it's time for me to get around to seeing the Alien movies.Aliens is a phenomenal movie. I watch it every few months.
I guess it's time for me to get around to seeing the Alien movies.Just the first two. Or really, just the first one.
I guess it's time for me to get around to seeing the Alien movies.Just the first two. Or really, just the first one.
I mean, the second is a great film in its own right, but it's a different kind of film from the first, which is really sci-fi/horror. The second is an action film (albeit a very good one).
Dang!! I got all excited cuz I went back to the site Zantera had turned me(us) onto and there was a 1:07 official clip ready to be viewed. Clicked it and it said it had been removed due to Fox blocking it for copy write infringment. At least that tells me the trailer can't be that far off.....
EGE: So you are linking this directly with the Alien films?
RS: Not at all.
EGE: Not at all?
RS: No.
I've been dissecting the trailer. It looks like it'll deal with the Space Jockeys a lot. You can see the head/helmet be analyzed in 00:34, AND in 00:44, the Chair from the first Alien movie is activated. But if you look closely, there is some massive figure standing next to it :metalI've only watched it once, being that I'm at work the screen was pretty condensed as well, but it looked like at one point they were standing in a room filled with large Urn looking deals, that give the impression of the fields of Alien impregnator pods...but were clearly stone or metal...not biological.
I'm honestly more excited for this than TDKR and Avengers
I'm honestly more excited for this than TDKR and Avengers
This is pretty cool
https://youtu.be/vQ6SUTI1j9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHcHYisZFLU&feature=youtu.be :caffeine:
I really hope we see a glimpse of a xenomorph, a facehugger's legs or just a scene where they stumble upon the hundreds of eggs. I mean, come on, it's the same ship.
I really hope we see a glimpse of a xenomorph, a facehugger's legs or just a scene where they stumble upon the hundreds of eggs. I mean, come on, it's the same ship.
Ridley seems set on the fact that the xenomorph will not appear in any possible way in the film.
Prometheus trailer looks awesome. While I am admittedly disappointed that there won't be any "actual" Aliens in it, it does seem like it will be a good stand-alone sci-fi epic with the appeal of being an unofficial prequel.Not only that, but I read in an article ( I believe Yahoo took me there somehow) that Scott stated this movie kind of lends itself to the possibility of a sequal.....he said things are left in a way that it wouldn't be stretching it to do so. Hmmmmmmm?
Launch trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1byZkbNB3JwI dub thee "Pants-Burster."
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Just under two weeks til Prometheus in IMAX 3D :)I'm a bit bummed because it opens on the Friday I'll be starting the trek taking the family from St. Louis to Florida for vacation. I would just go out and watch it one night down on vacation but my brother and I like to go see these types of movies together so it looks like I'll be a week behind :'(
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Actually... putting this in a spoiler: Fassbender's character is the android.
How do I know this? They released a "teaser"-video a while ago, this will not be in the movie itself, but to get people excited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaJD8cGfZCQ
Actually... putting this in a spoiler: Fassbender's character is the android.
How do I know this? They released a "teaser"-video a while ago, this will not be in the movie itself, but to get people excited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaJD8cGfZCQ
Okay so I just came home from seeing Prometheus. I won't spoil anything, but it was REALLY good.
The big question, are there traces of alien in it? Nah I won't spoil it for anyone, hope you will enjoy it! :D
Space Octopus rapes Space Jockey = Xenomorph. :lol
I have a total man-crush on Fassbender
what!?
what!?
I have a total man-crush on Fassbender
what!?
what!?
*cough*me too*cough*
Is this a movie worth seeing in Imax 3-D?
I have a total man-crush on Fassbender
what!?
what!?
*cough*me too*cough*
Is this a movie worth seeing in Imax 3-D?
I really liked it. I don't get the negativity with the plot holes. Oh they never explain why this happens so it just does? Leaving things to speculation and filling in your own blanks is great. A sequel or special features can fill in misunderstanding.
When people complain about the plotholes, I don't think they focused on the parts that are left unknown for speculation, but more things like these: (putting in smaller text so I wont spoil those who haven't seen it)
One part that I thought was a bit silly was how easy they went from entering the planet's atmosphere, and then finding the ruins. Back in Alien they had a signal they could track down, but here they just stumbled upon them right away. I think it would have been more believable if they had checked the entire planet before landing, even if the ruins are cool, there might have been an even bigger facility just on the other side of some mountains. :P
We also have the scene when the infected scientist comes back and kills off 2-3 people in the crew. Yet, nobody even seems to miss these people. No scene about mourning them, to me it felt like the movie had reached a point where they realized "hey, we got too many people alive, we have to kill some off", which they did.
Another thing I know lots of people (myself included) complained about was characters doing irrational and stupid things.
One of my biggest issues with the movie was the two scientists that were left behind in the ruins. At first they were terrified when they heard about a possible lifeform, yet when they encountered the mutated worm/alien-snake, they decided to cuddle with it. No matter how much balls you have, there is no way you would go up to an alien and just "cuddle", no way.
Despite some problems with the plotholes and characters doing silly things, I still enjoyed the movie quite a lot. I still think that the script that leaked a while back would have made a better movie, but probably too close to the Alien movies.
Yeah I agree with all of that.
Guy Pearce is awesome and it's sad that he got to play an old man with tons of makeup. It looked pretty fake, and if they needed to have an older man, they should have casted an older actor IMO.
But as you said, why couldn't they just have made it so he had cancer or something? Something he couldn't cure at least, and he could just be himself.
Yeah I agree with all of that.
Guy Pearce is awesome and it's sad that he got to play an old man with tons of makeup. It looked pretty fake, and if they needed to have an older man, they should have casted an older actor IMO.
But as you said, why couldn't they just have made it so he had cancer or something? Something he couldn't cure at least, and he could just be himself.
I don't know if any of you others saw it when it circulated the internet, but there was an early "draft" or idea going around, which I thought would have made a better movie probably. Maybe a bit closer to Alien, but that isn't really a problem.
And there's really no reason to spoil it because it's far from how the movie ended up, but still, the early idea was this:
Earth. Year 2058.
Archaeological digs in Africa reveal alien artifacts that suggest humans were genetically engineered by an advanced alien race (space jockeys). These “Alien Gods” also terraformed Earth in order to make it habitable for their human creations. Amongst finds are coordinates to the Alien Gods’ home-world, to Paradise. Months later, the Weyland Corp launch the spaceship Prometheus and its crew, into deep space to make first contact. Thanks to faster than light travel, a few years later the Prometheus enters the Zeta Riticuli star system. Humans are greeted by their makers, then transported further into space to a scary yet fascinating world. The Alien Gods are proud of their “children”, their first creation to reach such levels of intelligence.
As a reward they share bits of their astonishing bio-based technologies with the humans. But for one crew member of the Prometheus it’s not enough. In a treacherous act he steals the “bio-source code” to Terraforming, a technology at the origin of all Gods’ power, that could make humans equal to the gods. The Alien Gods may be scientists, but are also ruthless conquerors, destroyers of worlds who will not accept humans as equals. They unleash on the escaping human crew their favorite bio-weapon, a creature used to “clean up” worlds before colonization. But something goes wrong in the process and humans manage to turn the bio-weapon against their makers. Giving birth to a smarter, nastier, bigger breed of gut-eating creatures. Creatures that will be the demise of Paradise. What’s left of the Prometheus crew manages to escape the doomed planet.
On their trail a survivor is an Alien God in very familiar ship with one ultimate mission: Bring the wrath of the Gods to Earth.
I thought that would have made a great movie.
Well yeah, still I don't really care for Titanic either. So for me it's still like 15-20 years since he made something I appreciated. :P
I will take Ridley over Cameron any day.
Hear is my thoughts on the movie:
I´m sorry but i suck immensly at reviewing movies and will instead redirect to this other review that i found on IMDB.com that pretty much sums up my feelings on the movie:
Author: michael-albertsen from Denmark
*** This review may contain spoilers ***
I'm really sorry, but this a major disappointment.
No, I didn't expect miracles or something close to the original Alien. I've been following Scott for 30 years - and it's clear that he has been on the decline since Gladiator and Black Hawk Down.
I liked a few of his later movies like A Good Year - but most have been rather flat and uninspired.
One thing I've noticed, is that he's gotten increasingly complacent with his own "point of view" in terms of historical facts and how things work in reality. It's like he has a complete disregard for plausible motivations or factual information about how things work.
Case in point - there's a scene in the movie where a certain character has to have an operation performed on her body - and it involves slicing directly through the skin and muscle-tissue of her abdomen. After the procedure, she's simply "stitched together" by metal clips in like 3 seconds - and with a bit of local anesthetic, she continues to move and jump about with some moaning. Ehm, you CAN'T have any kind of normal movement with your muscle tissue completely severed - and there was absolutely no healing involved. Just one of a series of ridiculous events.
The plot is entirely juvenile and cliché stuff with "profound" questions like who created us. For some reason, the beings who created us also want to kill us - and it seems to involve incredibly elaborate genetic engineering that also happened to kill most of them in their remote "lab facility". They're CLEARLY much more powerful than we are - and they could just bomb the hell out of us, or do it in a thousand simpler ways. But no, they seem to want to utilize excessively elaborate and dangerous genetic modification or infestation - that they can't even control.
They also like to record recent events with some kind of holographic recorder device that is unable to render clear images, only some cool ghostly images that I bet Scott loved to play with. But they're quite flexible in how they let you play recordings of their security procedure - so you can access their systems without effort.
Characters are void of personality and growth, they're REALLY stupid - and they like to freak out for no reason, and they like to stay calm and playful when there IS a reason - like when encountering a nasty looking cobra-worm - an alien - for the first time in history.
Among these faceless people - we have some willing to gleefully commit suicide by ramming an alien ship, because they like their captain, and they're required to do so because he "can't fly worth a damn" - despite him being the primary pilot hired by a billionaire to do nothing but fly the ship.
We have a religious scientist who concludes that she's found our creators, based on: "It's what I choose to believe".
Then we have the very same religious scientist look at an alien "head" they brought back - and she notices some strange growth on it. She then spends 2 seconds thinking and concludes that this is obviously some kind of "foreign cells" (impressive deduction, I must say) - and she decides to stimulate the cells with electricity - just to see what happens. No research - no caution - no nothing.
We have people who decide to open the door to their ship, seemingly with no thought process, despite having just faced complete chaos by extremely hostile alien forces - because one of their crew mates seems to be lying in front of the door. This while other crew mates have just been taken over by some kind of alien infestation.
Then we have the boyfriend of said religious scientist (a douche) who decides that the air in an alien environment is safe to breathe because his device tells him it is - and he immediately removes his helmet. A classic Hollywood scientist moment, and clearly there's no need to worry about biological contaminants in a place like that.
This movie is FULL of this kind of utterly implausible behavior and random decisions.
It has a couple of "for effect" gore scenes - but Scott manages to include ZERO tension along with them. As a result, they're mildly disgusting - but they have no lasting effect whatsoever.
The "aliens" that are a part of this movie all look like plastic - because of overly smooth and pale skin. They look like Lovecraft creatures without a much-needed paint-job.
We have a horribly predictable, pointless and wasted twist involving Guy Pearce and a certain other cast member.
We have an android, well-acted by Fassbender, who seems to be fully random in his decisions and motivations. Few actions made sense in any context - not to me anyway.
The music was overwrought and didn't fit with the mood of the film, and it seemed like one theme being repeated endlessly. A surprise, given Scott's usual flair for good music.
I think Lindelof is a complete and total hack - who only got the job because he was the "yes-man" who could match Scott's ego. This is pretty obvious in interviews - where Lindelof always manages to publicly kiss Scott's behind.
1 Star for Fassbender's performance.
1 Star for the amazingly detailed visuals.
1 Star for how the above combine to form the excellent beginning.
Now, it's just a matter of leaning back - musing over a thousand different people coming up with a thousand different explanations - each being the "correct" interpretation of this deep and thought-provoking masterpiece.
Hear is my thoughts on the movie:
I´m sorry but i suck immensly at reviewing movies and will instead redirect to this other review that i found on IMDB.com that pretty much sums up my feelings on the movie:
Author: michael-albertsen from Denmark
*** This review may contain spoilers ***
I'm really sorry, but this a major disappointment.
No, I didn't expect miracles or something close to the original Alien. I've been following Scott for 30 years - and it's clear that he has been on the decline since Gladiator and Black Hawk Down.
I liked a few of his later movies like A Good Year - but most have been rather flat and uninspired.
One thing I've noticed, is that he's gotten increasingly complacent with his own "point of view" in terms of historical facts and how things work in reality. It's like he has a complete disregard for plausible motivations or factual information about how things work.
Case in point - there's a scene in the movie where a certain character has to have an operation performed on her body - and it involves slicing directly through the skin and muscle-tissue of her abdomen. After the procedure, she's simply "stitched together" by metal clips in like 3 seconds - and with a bit of local anesthetic, she continues to move and jump about with some moaning. Ehm, you CAN'T have any kind of normal movement with your muscle tissue completely severed - and there was absolutely no healing involved. Just one of a series of ridiculous events.
The plot is entirely juvenile and cliché stuff with "profound" questions like who created us. For some reason, the beings who created us also want to kill us - and it seems to involve incredibly elaborate genetic engineering that also happened to kill most of them in their remote "lab facility". They're CLEARLY much more powerful than we are - and they could just bomb the hell out of us, or do it in a thousand simpler ways. But no, they seem to want to utilize excessively elaborate and dangerous genetic modification or infestation - that they can't even control.
They also like to record recent events with some kind of holographic recorder device that is unable to render clear images, only some cool ghostly images that I bet Scott loved to play with. But they're quite flexible in how they let you play recordings of their security procedure - so you can access their systems without effort.
Characters are void of personality and growth, they're REALLY stupid - and they like to freak out for no reason, and they like to stay calm and playful when there IS a reason - like when encountering a nasty looking cobra-worm - an alien - for the first time in history.
Among these faceless people - we have some willing to gleefully commit suicide by ramming an alien ship, because they like their captain, and they're required to do so because he "can't fly worth a damn" - despite him being the primary pilot hired by a billionaire to do nothing but fly the ship.
We have a religious scientist who concludes that she's found our creators, based on: "It's what I choose to believe".
Then we have the very same religious scientist look at an alien "head" they brought back - and she notices some strange growth on it. She then spends 2 seconds thinking and concludes that this is obviously some kind of "foreign cells" (impressive deduction, I must say) - and she decides to stimulate the cells with electricity - just to see what happens. No research - no caution - no nothing.
We have people who decide to open the door to their ship, seemingly with no thought process, despite having just faced complete chaos by extremely hostile alien forces - because one of their crew mates seems to be lying in front of the door. This while other crew mates have just been taken over by some kind of alien infestation.
Then we have the boyfriend of said religious scientist (a douche) who decides that the air in an alien environment is safe to breathe because his device tells him it is - and he immediately removes his helmet. A classic Hollywood scientist moment, and clearly there's no need to worry about biological contaminants in a place like that.
This movie is FULL of this kind of utterly implausible behavior and random decisions.
It has a couple of "for effect" gore scenes - but Scott manages to include ZERO tension along with them. As a result, they're mildly disgusting - but they have no lasting effect whatsoever.
The "aliens" that are a part of this movie all look like plastic - because of overly smooth and pale skin. They look like Lovecraft creatures without a much-needed paint-job.
We have a horribly predictable, pointless and wasted twist involving Guy Pearce and a certain other cast member.
We have an android, well-acted by Fassbender, who seems to be fully random in his decisions and motivations. Few actions made sense in any context - not to me anyway.
The music was overwrought and didn't fit with the mood of the film, and it seemed like one theme being repeated endlessly. A surprise, given Scott's usual flair for good music.
I think Lindelof is a complete and total hack - who only got the job because he was the "yes-man" who could match Scott's ego. This is pretty obvious in interviews - where Lindelof always manages to publicly kiss Scott's behind.
1 Star for Fassbender's performance.
1 Star for the amazingly detailed visuals.
1 Star for how the above combine to form the excellent beginning.
Now, it's just a matter of leaning back - musing over a thousand different people coming up with a thousand different explanations - each being the "correct" interpretation of this deep and thought-provoking masterpiece.
The "Yes, father"-scene was possibly the worst scene in the entire movie.This x Infinity + 1. That line was fucking awful.
The "Yes, father"-scene was possibly the worst scene in the entire movie.This x Infinity + 1. That line was fucking awful.
The "Yes, father"-scene was possibly the worst scene in the entire movie.
I don't know if any of you others saw it when it circulated the internet, but there was an early "draft" or idea going around, which I thought would have made a better movie probably. Maybe a bit closer to Alien, but that isn't really a problem.
And there's really no reason to spoil it because it's far from how the movie ended up, but still, the early idea was this:
Earth. Year 2058.
Archaeological digs in Africa reveal alien artifacts that suggest humans were genetically engineered by an advanced alien race (space jockeys). These “Alien Gods” also terraformed Earth in order to make it habitable for their human creations. Amongst finds are coordinates to the Alien Gods’ home-world, to Paradise. Months later, the Weyland Corp launch the spaceship Prometheus and its crew, into deep space to make first contact. Thanks to faster than light travel, a few years later the Prometheus enters the Zeta Riticuli star system. Humans are greeted by their makers, then transported further into space to a scary yet fascinating world. The Alien Gods are proud of their “children”, their first creation to reach such levels of intelligence.
As a reward they share bits of their astonishing bio-based technologies with the humans. But for one crew member of the Prometheus it’s not enough. In a treacherous act he steals the “bio-source code” to Terraforming, a technology at the origin of all Gods’ power, that could make humans equal to the gods. The Alien Gods may be scientists, but are also ruthless conquerors, destroyers of worlds who will not accept humans as equals. They unleash on the escaping human crew their favorite bio-weapon, a creature used to “clean up” worlds before colonization. But something goes wrong in the process and humans manage to turn the bio-weapon against their makers. Giving birth to a smarter, nastier, bigger breed of gut-eating creatures. Creatures that will be the demise of Paradise. What’s left of the Prometheus crew manages to escape the doomed planet.
On their trail a survivor is an Alien God in very familiar ship with one ultimate mission: Bring the wrath of the Gods to Earth.
I thought that would have made a great movie.
Eh, only on the surface. The aliens in 2001 didn't genetically engineer anything, they didn't teraform earth, and (most importantly) they didn't really interact with the humans who followed their beacon, besides Dave and HAL. Not to mention that a large portion of the plot revolves around HAL, and has nothing to do with aliens.
The "Yes, father"-scene was possibly the worst scene in the entire movie.This x Infinity + 1. That line was fucking awful.
I can agree with this.
"Deeper" does not necessarily make a film better. With Prometheus, I think it hindered it more than it helped.
Done, well that was basically Jaws in outer space. It was fun but had none of the depth of Prometheus.
I'm glad Hollywood finally knows that we understand when you send one of the crew to do something alone it means you're getting him killed, the original Alien movie was a reminder of this predictable dilemma.
"Deeper" does not necessarily make a film better.
Are you saying that Prometheus is better than Alien? :o
3. From what I understood it was indeed an engineer who drank the black liquid in order to sacrifice himself to create life. Didn't necessarily have to be on earth, but just showing how the whole terraforming-process starts. As from what I understood the black liquid broke down the DNA and altered it, changing it. The results seemed to be different, Holloway got killed before we got to see any true effects, the other scientist came back crazy, and the engineer in the beginning probably died from it.
5. I agree it was a bit weird. The fact that the Xenomorph looked differently felt logical to me since it came out of an Engineer, and not a human being, just like how in Alien 3, the alien is drastically different due to coming from a dog.
As for how the Xenomorph was created, we do have the whole: Alien Queen > Eggs > Facehugger > Chestburster > Full grown Xenomorph, would have made more sense if the Xenomorph at the end was a Queen.
6. Yeah, I agree with this. That was actually one of the more silly scenes, it's the same in all movies where something huge is falling, in all cases the characters run forward instead of running to the sides. :lol
Prometheus (Greek: Προμηθεύς) is a Titan, culture hero, and trickster figure who in Greek mythology is credited with the creation of man from clay and the theft of fire for human use, an act that enabled progress and civilization.
Done, well that was basically Jaws in outer space. It was fun but had none of the depth of Prometheus.
Done, well that was basically Jaws in outer space. It was fun but had none of the depth of Prometheus.
I'm glad Hollywood finally knows that we understand when you send one of the crew to do something alone it means you're getting him killed, the original Alien movie was a reminder of this predictable dilemma.
You do realize that Alien is universally recognized as one of the greatest works in horror/Sci-fi, right? And that Prometheus will be forgotten in a very short amount of time?
Also, Scott confirmed that the "2000 years" reference in the movie (among all of the other Christian allegories) was intentional; read about it here: https://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html
With the surviving cast now down to Vickers and Shaw, we witness Vickers's rather silly death as the Engineer ship rolls over and crushes her, due to a sudden inability on her part to run sideways. Perhaps that's the point; perhaps the film is saying her view is blinkered, and ultimately that kills her. But I doubt it. Sometimes a daft death is just a daft death.
Apart from Weyland Corporation and the Xenomorph at the end, Prometheus really doesn't qualify as an Alien prequel to me. It takes place in the same universe, but very little of what happens in Prometheus is important as for what happens in the Alien-movies. Just some cool and fun easter eggs here and there, like the big painting of a Xenomorph.
While I think Prometheus was a great movie (despite some plotholes), it doesn't really bring much new to the table. It's certainly one of the better sci-fi's I've seen lately, but I would rank it below the first 3 Alien movies.
I think that's one of the negative things about the movie, how noticeable it was that it started out as a prequel and was changed into something else.
Well, I agree that it's good that they didn't make it an Alien 0.5, but instead "its own" movie as you said, what I meant was that it started out as a prequel but they changed it so it wouldn't be, and I think it would have been even better if they hadn't changed a lot of stuff in the middle of it. Scott only has himself to blame because as soon as people started asking about the project and he said that would be a prequel to Alien, then he had opened the box. There was no way of closing it after that, and it was easy to see in every interview with him after that how he slowly wanted to turn focus away from the Alien-movies and give the movie some space to be something else, but by then people already expected Aliens and other stuff.
I agree that it opened up possibilities and questions to be answered in a possible sequel. What exactly happened at the Engineer-station before Prometheus got there? Did the engineers manage to create/encounter the Xenomorph before? (we have the painting after all), and what happened with Dr. Shaw eventually? I'm not sure how they would take the whole Black Liquid-part further, to me that was much less interesting than the Alien in the original movies.
It was great that we finally got to see more about the Space Jockeys and learn more about them. Scott said himself that it was one of the big mysteries of the first Alien, and he is right. One problem for me is that I was much more interested in the Alien-aspect of it. The Space Jockey was fascinating, but what did they use the Xenomorphs for? The origin of the Xenomorphs and so on, there was a lot of focus on this in the early draft of the movie, but it was apparently scrapped completely.
I don't really care much about the philosophical aspects of Prometheus. "How was life created on earth?" and similar questions, I don't really find that aspect of the movie to be very fascinating, I just want to see a good sci-fi movie really.
So my thoughts on Prometheus can be summed up that I really liked the movie, and thought it worked well on it's own, and I would be excited about a sequel.
Still, being the huge Alien-fan I am, it's still disappointing that some mysteries probably never will be solved. Apart from the origins of the Xenomorph, I was always very fascinated by the signal they received in the first Alien. Who left it there? Did anyone else encounter the ship/eggs before, and what happened? In the end I would say that Prometheus succeeded in being a good movie on its own, but didn't succeed at being related to the Alien-movies. As far as I'm concerned they could have left out Weyland Corp and the Xenomorph all together, but if they would have done that, then probably about half (or more) of the profits would have been gone. :P
I dont want to sound like Mr. Obvious but..............The planetoid in Prometheus was labeled LV223 which is a different site than what the crew Nostromo, and later the colony in Aliens were located. They were on LV426 correct?
also, the engineer with the larger chest buster was not the space jockey from the original alien, as he was in the pilot seat. correct?
so, if this is true, then a further sequel will put that together? If I am off base clue me in please.
I dont want to sound like Mr. Obvious but..............The planetoid in Prometheus was labeled LV223 which is a different site than what the crew Nostromo, and later the colony in Aliens were located. They were on LV426 correct?
Correct.also, the engineer with the larger chest buster was not the space jockey from the original alien, as he was in the pilot seat. correct?
Correct.so, if this is true, then a further sequel will put that together? If I am off base clue me in please.
Not necessarily. I don't know that Scott is interesting in making such a direct link between the two stories. He may be, but I'm not so sure.
Also, Scott confirmed that the "2000 years" reference in the movie (among all of the other Christian allegories) was intentional; read about it here: https://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html
Prometheus - Prometheuses - Prometheus 3 - Prometheus ReErection
This mural pic of a Xeno looks oddly like the crucifixion scene.................kinda goes along with that christianity theme from that blogger and maybe there is some anger with the death of J.C. interesting
I guess we could then determine that 2000 years before Prometheus, there was a schism, and the Engineers divided... the Engineers who were against life began engineering a bio-weapon to destroy humans, while the others fought back. The bio-weapon got out of hand, and bam, Engineers are mainly wiped out.
it seems unlikely that the black goo created the first alien...
Also, Scott confirmed that the "2000 years" reference in the movie (among all of the other Christian allegories) was intentional; read about it here: https://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html
I think it's pretty obvious there is going to be a sequel (or two). And I was thinking that, whatever happens, Shaw will NOT survive because you basically can't really have any survivors coming back to earth, or else it messes up the Alien series. So I got thinking about the article above and, while this is certainly not a groundbreaking revelation, I think I may have quite possibly figured out how Shaw is eventually going to die. And if true, this will probably be THE major plot point to tie up the whole Prometheus series, once we're done with it. So...this isn't really a spoiler since it is just speculation, but don't read any further if you don't want to go down this path and potentially figure out where the sequel(s) may ultimately be heading.
Okay, now that the disclaimers are out of the way...If the speculation in that article is correct, one of the major themes of the entire series will be sacrificing one's life for the benefit of life as a whole. That is why humanity became such an anathema to the Engineers. If that's true (and I think it is), Shaw falls on the wrong side of that theme. As David even put it after she had had the squid baby removed, she has "quite the survival instinct." This would mean that she has not yet reached her true turning point in terms of character development. So when she ultimately shows up on the Engineer homeworld, I'm sure she will set off a chain of events that will make them all want to destroy humanity, just as the Engineer they woke up in Prometheus tried to do. So, how do we stop that from happening and complete Shaw's character arc? She ultimately willingly sacrifices herself for humanity. I'm sure this will be the case. And then the Engineers will surely react to that and decide that humans aren't completely depraved and selfish after all (although we are screwed up enough that the Engineers will likely keep their distance), and so they won't need to destroy us. And I wouldn't put it past Scott to have her give birth to some life form as part of her willing, sacrificial death. That would kind of bring the mythology full circle while also establishing her as sort of a combination Christ figure and Prometheus figure. My best guess is that we will see something like this happen.
Now if only other characters don't suddenly also forget how to run sideways...
Watching the 1986 sequel, in the 80's the soldiers in Hollywood were always rebellious and rarely obeyed or respected command, 80's movies army soldiers behaved like 00's movies mercenaries.
I'm liking that movie so far, the guy from Mad About You is in it but it's okay heh
Also, it looks like Prometheus is getting an additional 30 minutes for the DVD/BluRay release. Awesome. :)
I really like Alien 3. I think the fact that they don't have any weapons on the planet makes it more scary, if they encounter the alien then what should they do? It's certainly more of a horror movie than Aliens was.
Also, a lot of people point out the fact that they decided to change the ending of Aliens, but if you're a total geek like me, the last seconds of Aliens (after the credits) has an interesting sound. ;) I can't remember if the sound is in the regular version as well, but it's certainly there in the extended version. Anyhow, the sound is either an egg hatching, or the sound of the queen laying eggs, it's up for discussion I guess.
Also, it looks like Prometheus is getting an additional 30 minutes for the DVD/BluRay release. Awesome. :)
I didn't see the movie, but this video was entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0
Watching the 1986 sequel, in the 80's the soldiers in Hollywood were always rebellious and rarely obeyed or respected command, 80's movies army soldiers behaved like 00's movies mercenaries.Aliens is one of the greatest movies ever.
I'm liking that movie so far, the guy from Mad About You is in it but it's okay heh
Also, it looks like Prometheus is getting an additional 30 minutes for the DVD/BluRay release. Awesome. :)Not surprised.
Finished the third movie, the last 15 minutes made that movie.
I also have the special edition version of it, it says it has a lot of alternate scenes so I'll give it a run.
Hey, Easter Egg junkies: here's a piece from The Atlantic that breaks down all other influences on Prometheus.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/06/decoding-the-cultural-influences-in-prometheus-from-lovecraft-to-halo/258357/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/06/decoding-the-cultural-influences-in-prometheus-from-lovecraft-to-halo/258357/)
Guillermo del Toro had planned to film At the Mountains of Madness in 3D (starring Tom Cruise and with James Cameron producing), but recently abandoned the project when he learned about the plotline of Prometheus—claiming that the stories were too similar.
Hey, Easter Egg junkies: here's a piece from The Atlantic that breaks down all other influences on Prometheus.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/06/decoding-the-cultural-influences-in-prometheus-from-lovecraft-to-halo/258357/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/06/decoding-the-cultural-influences-in-prometheus-from-lovecraft-to-halo/258357/)
Finished the third movie, the last 15 minutes made that movie.
I also have the special edition version of it, it says it has a lot of alternate scenes so I'll give it a run.
I must say that it's really interesting to hear someone going through the movies for the first time, it's quite rare seeing as Alien and Aliens are among the classic movies that most people have seen. So it's quite cool to see someone seeing them for the first time. :P
Will you be watching Resurrection next?
Then you also have Alien VS Predator (and the sequel) if you want something fun. :lol
I must say that it's really interesting to hear someone going through the movies for the first time, it's quite rare seeing as Alien and Aliens are among the classic movies that most people have seen. So it's quite cool to see someone seeing them for the first time. :P
Will you be watching Resurrection next?
Then you also have Alien VS Predator (and the sequel) if you want something fun. :lol
What kind of human being would even suggest something like that?Finished the third movie, the last 15 minutes made that movie.Will you be watching Resurrection next?
I also have the special edition version of it, it says it has a lot of alternate scenes so I'll give it a run.
I must say that it's really interesting to hear someone going through the movies for the first time, it's quite rare seeing as Alien and Aliens are among the classic movies that most people have seen. So it's quite cool to see someone seeing them for the first time. :P
Will you be watching Resurrection next?
Then you also have Alien VS Predator (and the sequel) if you want something fun. :lol
I actually always wanted to watch the Alien franchise just never got around to it, same deal with Star Wars :blush
Yes I will be watching Resurrection next, Weaver is on the cover and I'm curious to know how they bring her back after the ending of the third movie, I'm thinking droid or clone, they can't try to tell me she survived that jump.
But I haven't finished the alternate "assembly" version of 3 yet, so far more interesting and less chaotic than the first 30 minutes of the original version.
I thought Resurrection would be the last one and that the AVP movies are unrelated and kinda cheesy like the Freddy VS. Jason thing :lol Do they contribute to the concept of the Alien franchise? Are they fun anyway?
I must say that it's really interesting to hear someone going through the movies for the first time, it's quite rare seeing as Alien and Aliens are among the classic movies that most people have seen. So it's quite cool to see someone seeing them for the first time. :P
Will you be watching Resurrection next?
Then you also have Alien VS Predator (and the sequel) if you want something fun. :lol
I actually always wanted to watch the Alien franchise just never got around to it, same deal with Star Wars :blush
Yes I will be watching Resurrection next, Weaver is on the cover and I'm curious to know how they bring her back after the ending of the third movie, I'm thinking droid or clone, they can't try to tell me she survived that jump.
But I haven't finished the alternate "assembly" version of 3 yet, so far more interesting and less chaotic than the first 30 minutes of the original version.
I thought Resurrection would be the last one and that the AVP movies are unrelated and kinda cheesy like the Freddy VS. Jason thing :lol Do they contribute to the concept of the Alien franchise? Are they fun anyway?
Do they contribute to the concept of the Alien franchise? Are they fun anyway?
Well, if you ask Scott or Cameron, they would probably say that the AVP-movies are the worst ones ever made.
QUINT: I remember before Paul W.S. Anderson did ALIEN VS PREDATOR it came out that you kind of made an offer to do another ALIEN film with Ridley Scott...
JAMES CAMERON: Yeah. Ridley and I talked about doing another ALIEN film and I said to 20th Century Fox that I would develop a 5th ALIEN film. I started working on a story, I was working with another writer and Fox came back to me and said, "We've got this really good script for ALIEN VS PREDATOR and I got pretty upset. I said, "You do that you're going to kill the validity of the franchise in my mind." Because to me, that was FRANKENSTEIN MEETS WEREWOLF. It was Universal just taking their assets and starting to play them off against each other.
QUINT: Milking it, totally.
JAMES CAMERON: Milking it. So, I stopped work. Then I saw ALIEN VS PREDATOR and it was actually pretty good. (laughs) I think of the 5 ALIEN films, I'd rate it 3rd.
QUINT: Ummm...
JAMES CAMERON: I actually liked it. I actually liked it a lot.
QUINT: You know, I hate it when movies don't abide by the continuity of their series...
JAMES CAMERON: When they make up their own rules.
QUINT: Exactly. They did that a lot with the alien incubation time, where from egg to chestbuster it happened...
JAMES CAMERON: In minutes, yeah...
QUINT: That kind of stuff really pissed me off with the movie...
JAMES CAMERON: Well, it starts to become a video game. It's like, "Okay, that can be in him and that can show up over here..." It becomes more metaphorical or more comic book. I don't mean comic book in a negative way, I just mean that it's working at a kind of mythic, metaphoric level as opposed to really trying to immerse you in reality.
I mean, I felt when I was making ALIENS I think the same thing Ridley was doing with ALIEN, which is... "I'm going to make you think this is real." Even though it is completely ridiculous deep space adventure. We were going to make you feel like it's real. It's a question of does the film take itself seriously or not.
KRAKEN: So you still thinking about doing something with it?
JAMES CAMERON: No.
KRAKEN: If we promised you our first babies would you think about doing anything with it?
JAMES CAMERON: (laughs) Well, the other thing I've learned is that when you deal with a studio and it's their asset... it's their asset.
Also, as an exploration of faith, meaning, and whatever, it's basically useless. Nothing that happens means anything relative to the human experience.
First, what do you mean by "well done"? Are you referring to the look of it? Because in that department, it's fairly unanimous that it was a visual masterpiece, as most of Scott's films are.
To be complimentary - the atmosphere of the movie is incredible.
If you're criticizing it's pseudo science then come on, this is a sci-fi picture.
I'm not exactly sure on the "tragedy" you're referring to, or the importance of said "zombie" guy and his death. He was an extraneous character that killed off other extraneous characters.
With Prometheus, the central question of the movie was "Why were humans made?" And the question wasn't answered. On purpose. So in a sense the whole point of the movie was just to set up the next movie. This isn't a TV show though. A movie's supposed to work as a self-contained experience.
With Prometheus, the central question of the movie was "Why were humans made?" And the question wasn't answered. On purpose. So in a sense the whole point of the movie was just to set up the next movie. This isn't a TV show though. A movie's supposed to work as a self-contained experience.
Thank you!
And I wish I had enjoyed the Xenomorph birth sequence. But it felt out of place. There was no subtlety to it. It was like Ridley was like "I promised an Alien movie and by jove im gonna put that little bastard in somewhere."
With Prometheus, the central question of the movie was "Why were humans made?" And the question wasn't answered. On purpose. So in a sense the whole point of the movie was just to set up the next movie. This isn't a TV show though. A movie's supposed to work as a self-contained experience.
This part makes me wonder if you actually saw the movie:QuoteI'm not exactly sure on the "tragedy" you're referring to, or the importance of said "zombie" guy and his death. He was an extraneous character that killed off other extraneous characters.
Logan Marshall-Green was introduced into the movie as the second lead next to Noomi Rapace. His death was meant to have emotional impact to the audience, and obviously affected her character.
This part makes me wonder if you actually saw the movie:QuoteI'm not exactly sure on the "tragedy" you're referring to, or the importance of said "zombie" guy and his death. He was an extraneous character that killed off other extraneous characters.
Logan Marshall-Green was introduced into the movie as the second lead next to Noomi Rapace. His death was meant to have emotional impact to the audience, and obviously affected her character.
... I'm actually wondering if you saw the movie. Zombie dude was not Logan Marshall-Green, it was the british dude with the tattoos who got an acid facial. LGM never came back after getting torched.
This part makes me wonder if you actually saw the movie:QuoteI'm not exactly sure on the "tragedy" you're referring to, or the importance of said "zombie" guy and his death. He was an extraneous character that killed off other extraneous characters.
Logan Marshall-Green was introduced into the movie as the second lead next to Noomi Rapace. His death was meant to have emotional impact to the audience, and obviously affected her character.
... I'm actually wondering if you saw the movie. Zombie dude was not Logan Marshall-Green, it was the british dude with the tattoos who got an acid facial. LGM never came back after getting torched.
Yeah that's right. Holloway never came back - it was Fifield - the ginger mohawk
Yeah that's right. Holloway never came back - it was Fifield - the ginger mohawk
That. Reap', I'm not sure how you could have confused them.
Yeah that's right. Holloway never came back - it was Fifield - the ginger mohawk
That. Reap', I'm not sure how you could have confused them.
Because what apparently actually happened is so stupid that my mind never even considered it. They brought his corpse to the ship and then threw it outside like a garbage bag on your driveway? What?
No, they never found his body until it showed up outside the ship. That's why they investigated it when they saw it outside the door.
No, they never found his body until it showed up outside the ship. That's why they investigated it when they saw it outside the door.
Reap', what movie did you see?
And, even if it in fact does perfectly make sense, it was still a waste of time.
No, they never found his body until it showed up outside the ship. That's why they investigated it when they saw it outside the door.
Then that's even more stupid. Aren't these unintelligent tentacle monsters things or something? How did the Zombie know to get back to the ship? How was it able to think with sufficient tactical ability curl up into a ball to lure people out. Maybe it did possess this intelligence, but it displayed no signs of this.
And, even if it in fact does perfectly make sense, it was still a waste of time.
I'd totally agree with that actually, I thought the zombie thing was completely pointless. It only served to kill off characters that, with one semi-exception, had no purpose in the story anyways.No, they never found his body until it showed up outside the ship. That's why they investigated it when they saw it outside the door.
Then that's even more stupid. Aren't these unintelligent tentacle monsters things or something? How did the Zombie know to get back to the ship? How was it able to think with sufficient tactical ability curl up into a ball to lure people out. Maybe it did possess this intelligence, but it displayed no signs of this.
There's really no explanation one way or the other. We don't know how he became a zombie, or what turned him, so there's really no way to know. It wasn't the tentacle thing that did it, other wise the other dude who got one down the throat would have turned as well.
Now do you see why I didn't even consider the possibility of any of this happening?
The thing that irritated the shit out of me ... Our DNA was a match to the engineers... How did the DNA of the rest of the animal kingdom, primarily primates, get so similar to ours?There are two possible answers to this:
Like all pointless sequels it offers nothing new and changes what has gone before.
The only effect that seemed awful to me was the ship exploding at the end of Alien. Just bad effects, that one might have been a good idea to replace.Yeah, that one screamed 70's early 80's. I don't think it's worth it to replace it, but it stands out quite a bit nowadays.
Resurrection does offer the next step in Ripley's evolution. She goes from battling one xenomorph, to many, to having one inside of her, then to being genetically fused with the species. There's still plenty to enjoy in it, even though it is certainly the low point of the initial franchise (if we're taking all films into consideration, then AVP: Requiem takes the cake).
AVP:R is the only one I haven't seen but based on what i've heard - I shall not bother.
I think AVP is much better than A:R though
I saw it tonight.
My brain is full of fuck.
I have to admit, that I can't stop thinking about this movie though. Whether that's good or bad I don't know.
Where I read that news also said that most likely, Lindeloff will not come back. Which is good news.
Perhaps clued in to the controversy surrounding the incredibly cryptic nature of Prometheus and its many unanswered questions, the producers are talking to new writers, but the Reporter indicates the move is because co-writer Damon Lindelof "might not be available."
I think Weyland wanted to know if the black goo was life giving or life ending. I guess they both found out so Weyland went to see the Engineer instead.
Don't think he's an aussie.
Pretty sure he's from London with that accent. But anyhoo.
Ridley said the practical effects just looked better on the day.
source?
This movie was boring and pretty much awful.
Wow you actually hit "post" with that answer.
Maybe next time you could be less of a dick.
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Like LOST, I could never tell whether the unanswered mysteries are actually really thought up by the writers or just people being way too anal and looking for something out of nothing. Gut feeling, it's almost always the latter.I kind of like shows like that though. The only problem is that if you allow yourself to get ticked off if they answer any of those questions with something other than what you wanted to hear or see. A lot of folks were ticked at LOST when they started filling in some of those blanks....not I. But some.
The only thing that bugged me is - what was that altar in the Head room with the green stone in it?
I don't mind, either. And frankly, I wouldn't mind if another one didn't get made. I think it's OK as a standalone movie.
Well, I'm not as huge a fan of the series as many people are. I think Alien is an amazing horror/sci-fi film on its own, and I think that James Cameron made a fantastic sequel to it, but that's it for me.
Well, I'm not as huge a fan of the series as many people are. I think Alien is an amazing horror/sci-fi film on its own, and I think that James Cameron made a fantastic sequel to it, but that's it for me.
I agree with that.Well, I'm not as huge a fan of the series as many people are. I think Alien is an amazing horror/sci-fi film on its own, and I think that James Cameron made a fantastic sequel to it, but that's it for me.
I think that's how most people feel, even most of those who are fans of the entire series as a whole. The first two were SO good. But after that...
And it's a shame too, because I think every single one that followed (3 and 4, as well as the two AvP movies) had some intriguing premises and could have been fantastic, but ultimately just ended up being very poorly executed because of poor storytelling, bad script writing, deviating too far from the source material and/or mood of the first two films, or other reasons.
For that matter, the AVP movies could have been good, but I guess that was a preordained failure given the nature of the films.
Ridley Scott has told us that the next film in the Prometheus saga will be called Alien: Paradise Lost.
You forgot AVP and AVP:R ;D
You forgot AVP and AVP:R ;D
I think it was kind of a cool idea to link the Alien and Predator "universes", but it needed to be done betterIt WAS done better, in comics, years before those disastrous films.
It was directed by Paul WS Anderson.I also liked Event Horizon. Creepy.
His one and only decent movie was Event Horizon.
Everything else he's done has been shite.
Paul Thomas Anderson must LOVE being confused with him...
..it blows my mind every time I think about it that the man that made the amazing Event Horizon movie now shoots his gross, sticky little load on ruining the Resident Evil name with his...what is it, like seventh film by now? It makes me cringe every damn time. This is coming from a huge fan of the RE games so I'm going to reign in my fingers now. :lol
So the big reveal at the end of a proto xeno was.....just for shits and giggles ? Pandering to the studio? A shoehorned in xeno for the fans ?
What I didn't get was why the violent Andrew Luck wannabe came back to life as a Superman.
He's going the Avatar route of doing 4 films instead of just making the first movie ( Prometheus ) the first movie.
Why 3 sequels ?
I liked Prometheus. I'm really excited for this.
Also, this is going to be four movies? Haven't heard anything about that :huh:
featuring some of the worst writing I have ever seen in a big budget movie.
John Logan is a pretty good writer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Logan_(writer)
featuring some of the worst writing I have ever seen in a big budget movie.
Most definetely not. It wasn't the best ever, but really really far from the worst.
The guy taints almost everything he touches.
That it leaves questions unanswered is unfair critisism in my opinion, and one that never even crossed my mind until I saw the internet's reaction. I mean, it certainly does leave things unanswered, but I always thought it obvious that it set things up to answered in future movies, which is completely fine by me.
Maybe I missed something in the movie but it never set itself up to have an obvious sequel or sequels since it was presented as a very singular entity despite some Alien callbacks.
I thought that Alien: Covenant was a great ride. It was beautiful. I love Ridley’s films, I love his filmmaking; I love the beauty of the photography. I love the visceral sense that you’re that, that you’re present. It’s not a film that I would have made. I hope I’m not spoiling this for anybody, but I don’t like films where you invest in a character and they get destroyed at the end. So, I would not have made that film.
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