Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread

[BlackInk]

Martin once joked in an interview saying that the last book will just be a thousand pages of snow blowing over a field of graves.

Actually until Olenna mourned her, I thought that maybe Margaery could have survived. Only the High Sparrow was clearly shown being nuclearized.

There's no way anyone survived that. Yeah we only saw The High Sparrow die, but then when the scope of the explosion is revealed there is absolutely no way anyone else even close to that building survived.

[Implode]

Were the wildfire blowing up the citadel and its victims in the books? About a week ago, I saw someone talking about how Margaery was going to burn in the finale. Was that already widely known or did they have some inside info?

[cramx3]

Were the wildfire blowing up the citadel and its victims in the books? About a week ago, I saw someone talking about how Margaery was going to burn in the finale. Was that already widely known or did they have some inside info?

No, likely someone found spoilers.

[Tyrias]

Were the wildfire blowing up the citadel and its victims in the books? About a week ago, I saw someone talking about how Margaery was going to burn in the finale. Was that already widely known or did they have some inside info?

The last relevant scene in the book was cersei's walk of shame last season, everything else is show-exvlusive. The rest that happens in the books afterwards did not and will not happen in the show because the big players of that scene are either dead or not in King's Landing in the show.

[gmillerdrake]

Martin once joked in an interview saying that the last book will just be a thousand pages of snow blowing over a field of graves.

Actually until Olenna mourned her, I thought that maybe Margaery could have survived. Only the High Sparrow was clearly shown being nuclearized.

There's no way anyone survived that. Yeah we only saw The High Sparrow die, but then when the scope of the explosion is revealed there is absolutely no way anyone else even close to that building survived.

...and the whole area was still smoldering (presumably) days later when Jamie arrived.

[faizoff]

I wonder if next season there will be anything from Essos. I think they might show just a scene or two with Daario and Jorah but other than that I kinda doubt it.

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I wonder if next season there will be anything from Essos. I think they might show just a scene or two with Daario and Jorah but other than that I kinda doubt it.

You may be right.

 I have got to think the Iron Bank of Braavos still has some role to play.  Maybe we don't see it in Essos, but the crown is still heavily in debt to them and Stannis was as well.

[Progmetty]

Are we to assume Ned Stark killed the Dornish nurse that was present in the tower of joy?

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Are we to assume Ned Stark killed the Dornish nurse that was present in the tower of joy?

I wouldn't assume that given Ned Stark's reputation, but the show did make a point to show her so I do wonder if she ends up being important given her knowledge... or just killed.

[sneakyblueberry]

just wanted to go on record as saying this season has been an absolute banger.  I hope they can keep this up for the last two.

[Prog Snob]

Were the wildfire blowing up the citadel and its victims in the books? About a week ago, I saw someone talking about how Margaery was going to burn in the finale. Was that already widely known or did they have some inside info?

No, likely someone found spoilers.

Yes, it was in the list of spoilers I came across a couple of weeks prior to Sunday night.

Going to give my best shots at answering some of the questions

"Fair" as in "equal".  The powerful and the "nobodies" were all treated the same.

Jamie seemed to get a pass for some reason.

That's one of my points I made earlier. He wasn't fair at all. He was exceedingly selective.

[Prog Snob]

It looks like Dany was sailing from Sunspear and not Mereen. If you look at the sigils on the ships, you see them Sunspear and Highgarden. It makes more sense that Varys and the fleet of ships from both cities wouldn't travel all the way to Mereen and then go back to Westeros. That is also why we see Varys back with Dany by the end of the episode.

[faizoff]

I was trying to figure out if that was the case, that would make most sense that the Martell and Tyrell fleet was joining them once they've already reached Westeros. Will just have to wait and see.

[Chino]

I hope when the White Walkers get to Winterfell they reanimate all the corpses in the crypts.

[cramx3]

It looks like Dany was sailing from Sunspear and not Mereen. If you look at the sigils on the ships, you see them Sunspear and Highgarden. It makes more sense that Varys and the fleet of ships from both cities wouldn't travel all the way to Mereen and then go back to Westeros. That is also why we see Varys back with Dany by the end of the episode.

I had just assumed Varys went back to Mereen to let them know of their new alliance and he was accompanied by some Dornish ships, and then that final shot was them all leaving.  Maybe you are right, but would be kind of odd that the season ended with Dany already in Westeros.

[Prog Snob]

That's a possibility, too. Maybe just a couple of ships escorted him back. I just can't figure out how much time lapsed between the beginning and end of the episode.

[cramx3]

Yea, the timing is hard to figure out with that last episode, most specifically with Dorne because also Olenna getting there and knowing about her family's death seemed really quick too.... and then Varys is with team Dany again.  It would make more sense if Dany's ships were just outside Dorne when that talk took place, but then why would Varys of had to leave earlier to go there?

Maybe since when Varys left, Dany didn't have ships so he negotiated to get ships to bring to Mereen and they met half way across the sea?

[Prog Snob]

She did have ships. She had those she took from the masters. I think she specifically didn't have the dragons burn them all so she could use them herself.

Varys could have sent a raven back to Dany, telling her the negotiation was a success, and to meet them at Dorne. I really don't know. The timing throws me off. 

[cramx3]

She did have ships. She had those she took from the masters. I think she specifically didn't have the dragons burn them all so she could use them herself.

Varys could have sent a raven back to Dany, telling her the negotiation was a success, and to meet them at Dorne. I really don't know. The timing throws me off. 

Those ships didn't attack Mereen until after Varys left.  But who really knows, I hope someone from the show makes this clear as to where exactly she is when the season ended.

[Prog Snob]

I think it'll eventually be brought up. You could be right, though, with the idea of him taking a few ships back with him. They could have needed more ships than what they had to fit the Khalasar.

[seasonsinthesky]

Even if it was indeed a shot of them leaving Sunspear, the distance from Meereen to Sunspear is incredibly vast. So whether Varys went back and forth or Dany's fleet just joined them in Dorne, it's ridiculous time compression either way.

I think it was a poor decision to end the season with her sailing for Westeros/KL so soon, but maybe that indicates there's so much crap to still happen over the next two seasons that the time compression was necessary. After all, there was a mega time crunch to get the Greyjoys to Meereen so bloody fast earlier in the season, and we've yet to see where in that journey Euron is. (Perhaps we're due for a scene with he and his men on a 'side quest' raiding and plundering somewhere. I dunno anything about him, having not read the books.)

[Prog Snob]

Even if it was indeed a shot of them leaving Sunspear, the distance from Meereen to Sunspear is incredibly vast. So whether Varys went back and forth or Dany's fleet just joined them in Dorne, it's ridiculous time compression either way.

I think it was a poor decision to end the season with her sailing for Westeros/KL so soon, but maybe that indicates there's so much crap to still happen over the next two seasons that the time compression was necessary. After all, there was a mega time crunch to get the Greyjoys to Meereen so bloody fast earlier in the season, and we've yet to see where in that journey Euron is. (Perhaps we're due for a scene with he and his men on a 'side quest' raiding and plundering somewhere. I dunno anything about him, having not read the books.)

It's quite possible that Daario has a run-in with Euron.

[Podaar]

I think it'll eventually be brought up. You could be right, though, with the idea of him taking a few ships back with him. They could have needed more ships than what they had to fit the Khalasar.

This was my assumption.

Also, I have no problem with assuming months of travel and preparation in between each Meereen sequences. I find all the "fast travel" concern a bit silly.

[MirrorMask]

At work I had two coworkers asking me who Jon's father was. I think that for being a "big reveal", it didn't reveal that much even though everyone now knows that Ned's not the father and Lyanna's the mother.

I think we can divide the show watchers in three categories:

- Book readers
- Non book readers who are passionate enough to educate themselves about the books even if they don't actually read them
- Show viewers who just like the story and watch them because dragons, boobs, medieval or "Hey that actor is hot".

The latest group is surely the most "Mh.... ok...?" about the ultimate R+L=J reveal.

[gmillerdrake]

I find all the "fast travel" concern a bit silly.

So do I honestly. They've addressed it several times in interviews. They tried a cohesive, linear timeline approach in season 1 and they said it drove them insane and was near impossible to maintain. They've left it to us to understand that this show isn't happening in the 'normal' time frame' that other shows or life happens in. It'd be impossible to manage all the story arcs in order.

Like they said.....do you want to see (4) shows of Arya and Varys on a boat....sitting there eating or whatever? In the grand scheme of things it's not hard to marry these timelines in each story and reconcile them. I'm under the impression that entire Arya arc from this season was happening basically during season 5 storylines of Jon being behind the Wall and things like that.

[ariich]

it's ridiculous time compression either way.

People seem to forget (or be unaware) that this show takes place over a number of years.

I don't know if maybe it's because most viewers are used to shows where there are either big time jumps between seasons (or maybe episodes), or where a 24-episode season takes the best part of a year to air and covers a year, or something like the Walking Dead where 6 seasons have only covered a couple of years. But that's not how Game of Thrones works - it's a huge story and six seasons so far covers more than 6 years in story time, so time jumps occur constantly, whenever there is nothing in particular to show in the intervening periods.

[ariich]

I think we can divide the show watchers in three categories:

- Book readers
- Non book readers who are passionate enough to educate themselves about the books even if they don't actually read them
- Non book readers who aren't fussed about the books but still enjoy all the details in the show and pay a lot of attention
- Show viewers who just like the story and watch them because dragons, boobs, medieval or "Hey that actor is hot".

I would add a fourth group, per my edit above.

[kaos2900]

I find all the "fast travel" concern a bit silly.

So do I honestly. They've addressed it several times in interviews. They tried a cohesive, linear timeline approach in season 1 and they said it drove them insane and was near impossible to maintain. They've left it to us to understand that this show isn't happening in the 'normal' time frame' that other shows or life happens in. It'd be impossible to manage all the story arcs in order.

Like they said.....do you want to see (4) shows of Arya and Varys on a boat....sitting there eating or whatever? In the grand scheme of things it's not hard to marry these timelines in each story and reconcile them. I'm under the impression that entire Arya arc from this season was happening basically during season 5 storylines of Jon being behind the Wall and things like that.

100% this. It's like purple are trying really hard to find anything to complain about. It's been said that multiple characters can be in the same episode but their scenes could take place at different times.

[cramx3]

The time/travel never really bothered me either, just that last episode with the Dorne scenes seemed like it was incredibly quick because it happened in the same episode.

[Prog Snob]

Directors for next season.  https://watchersonthewall.com/season-7-directors-announced/#more-70420

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Directors for next season.  https://watchersonthewall.com/season-7-directors-announced/#more-70420

Kind of upsetting the two directors who did really well this season IMO aren't going to be back next year.  But, I don't think the directors have ever been a problem with the show so it may not be a big deal at all.

[Prog Snob]

There's the possibility they're already working on other projects or maybe they'll bring Miguel back for the last season for what could be the most massive battle scene ever. Maybe an all out skirmish between the living and the dead.

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There's the possibility they're already working on other projects or maybe they'll bring Miguel back for the last season for what could be the most massive battle scene ever. Maybe an all out skirmish between the living and the dead.

Yea, Jack Bender said previously he would do more GoT work if asked but also had other plans so it's not like he needed the work.

I took it also that maybe there won't be a huge battle sequence next year hence not bringing Miguel back.  We will see in a year.

[MirrorMask]

Is the short list another official-ish confirmation that there's gonna be only 7 episodes then? usually there were five directors for 2 episodes each, making it the obvious 10.

[Prog Snob]

It has already been confirmed that there will be seven episodes next season. As of now, season eight will have six episodes, but that could change. That's what Dan and Dave said.